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immoralities adulteries fallacies german translation gottes erste diener dunkle seite papsttums droemer knaur michael martin atheism philosophical justification temple university press philadelphia detailed scholarly justification atheism outstanding appendix defining terminology usage necessarily tendentious area argues negative atheism belief existence positive atheism belief existence includes great refutations challenging arguments attention paid refuting contempory theists platinga swinburne pages isbn hardcover paperback case christianity temple university press comprehensive critique christianity considers contemporary defences christianity ultimately demonstrates unsupportable incoherent pages isbn james turner creed johns hopkins university press baltimore subtitled origins unbelief america examines unbelief agnostic atheistic mainstream alternative world view focusses period france britain emphasis american england developments religious history secularization atheism creed 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atheism introduction atheism summary read file posting atheism keywords atheism expires distribution world organization mantis consultants cambridge supersedes lines archive atheism introduction atheism archive introduction modified april version begin signed message introduction atheism mathew article attempts provide general introduction atheism whilst neutral contentious issues remember document represents viewpoint encourage read widely draw conclusions relevant books listed companion article provide sense cohesion progression presented article imaginary conversation atheist theist questions asked imaginary theist questions cropped repeatedly atheism newsgroup created frequently asked questions answered companion article note article arguably slanted answering questions posed christian viewpoint files reflect questions asked predominantly christians proselytize atheism talk religion talking primarily religions christianity judaism islam involve sort superhuman divine discussion apply religions atheism atheism characterized absence belief existence atheists exist referred weak atheist position strong atheism important note difference positions weak atheism simple scepticism disbelief existence strong atheism positive belief exist fall trap assuming atheists strong atheists atheists existence gods limit atheism specific gods christian making flat denials disbelieving thing believing exist disbelief proposition means true believing true equivalent believing false simply idea true brings agnosticism agnosticism term agnosticism coined professor huxley meeting metaphysical society defined agnostic disclaimed strong atheism believed ultimate origin things unknown unknowable agnostic believes exists words slippery things language inexact beware assuming work philosophical point view simply fact calls atheist agnostic people agnosticism weak atheism word atheism referring strong atheism beware word atheist shades meaning difficult generalize atheists atheists case atheists science find universe philosophical justification basis atheism philosophical justifications atheism find person chooses atheist atheists feel idea presented major religions essentially contradictory logically impossible exist atheists scepticism evidence exists impossible prove existence counter examples statement simple prove exist prime number larger prime numbers deals defined objects obeying defined rules gods universes similarly defined matter debate assuming moment existence provably impossible subtle reasons assuming existence assume exist show assumption invalid finding single counter hand assume exist thing question provably impossible showing assumption invalid require exhaustive search places thing found show exhaustive search impractical impossible problem largest primes prove exist generally accepted assume things exist evidence theists follow rule time unicorns conclusively prove unicorns exist assume exists make assumption tested make exhaustive search prove exist sceptical atheist assumes default exist assumption test profess strong atheism claim sort exists generally restrict claims cover varieties followers religions whilst impossible prove conclusively exists prove religious book exist prove present religion exists practice believing religion exists close believing exists sufficiently counter arguments based impossibility disproving kind applicable essentially detectable interacts universe effects interaction measurable interaction universe detectable essentially detectable case interact universe atheists argue interact universe importance exists bible believed easily detectable israelites surely detectable today note demanding interact scientifically verifiable physical surely perceive effect caused presence distinguish things exist philosophical justification atheism religious belief common pastimes philosophical discussion redefinition game cynical view game person begins making contentious statement person points true person gradually defines words statement arrives person prepared accept records statement fact person agreed continues eventually statement agreed fact original definitions words obscure redefinitions originally needed agree apparently inconsistent tend play point digression answer question atheism religious belief depends crucially meant religious religion generally characterized belief superhuman controlling power sort faith worship worth pointing passing varieties buddhism religion definition atheism belief sort superhuman power categorized worship meaningful sense widening definition religious encompass atheism result aspects human behaviour suddenly classed religious science politics watching religion surely belief atheism science faith religion firstly clear sceptical atheism believes adopt number core beliefs assumptions make sort sense sensory data experience atheists adopt core beliefs subject questioning experience throws doubt science number core assumptions generally assumed laws physics observers sort core assumptions atheists make basic ideas called acts faith based acts faith term loses meaning faith refer complete belief definition atheism science acts faith individual atheists scientists dogmatic religious followers claiming general tendency atheists reluctant state certainty universe exists faith refer belief supporting evidence proof sceptical atheism definition sceptical atheism beliefs strong atheism closer match dogmatic atheist tend refer experimental data lack asserting exist atheism religious surely anti religious unfortunate human tendency label friend enemy truth clear atheism position runs logically counter theism sense anti religion religious believers speak atheists anti religious atheists sort antipathy hatred theists categorization atheists hostile religion unfair atheist attitudes theists fact cover broad spectrum atheists live live attitude questioned mention atheism close friends part atheism socially acceptable countries atheists anti religious convert historically anti religious atheists made impact society eastern bloc countries digress slightly soviet union originally dedicated separation church state soviet citizens legally free worship wished institution state atheism stalin control soviet union destroy churches order gain complete power population atheists vocal beliefs religion encroaching matters business government individuals concerned church state remain separate religion running state surely state atheism principle separation church state state legislate matters religious belief means state promote religion expense promote belief religious nature religions discussion purely secular matters religious believers historically responsible encouraging political reforms today organizations campaigning increase spending foreign founded religious campaigns long campaign secular matters long discriminate religious grounds atheists happy prayer schools care people pray people pray voters lawmakers tend things pray ignore christian prayer schools intimidating christians told join diversity religious religious belief means impossible formulate meaningful prayer acceptable present public event prayers tend friends family pray reasonable care friends family wasting time motives mentioned christians campaign increased foreign atheists atheist charities hospitals atheists object religious charities charities religious purpose atheists contribute atheists contribute religious charities sake practical good atheists voluntary work charities founded theistic basis atheists feel atheism worth shouting connection charity atheism simple obvious everyday matter charity feel cheap righteous simple charity excuse plug religious beliefs weak atheists building hospital strange idea holding party today birthday fuss atheism rarely evangelical atheism anti religious backlash upbringing rebelling people parents attempt force religious atheist ideas people choose call atheists doubtless case religious people chose religion backlash atheist upbringing hand people choose religion conforming expectations conclude atheism religion backlash conformism general people tendency group independently atheists differ religious people atheists listen heavy metal backwards prefer verdi requiem words wear hawaiian shirts dress black wear orange robes buddhists lack belief sort atheists carry copy bible arguing chances atheists realising atheists unexceptional behaviour appearance unexceptional atheists moral religious people depends define morality obedience atheists moral obey talks morality talks acceptable unacceptable wrong behaviour society humans social animals maximally successful operate good reason discourage atheists anti social immoral behaviour purely purposes preservation atheists behave moral compassionate simply feel natural tendency empathize humans care simply naturally people behave immorally atheism justify actions equally people behave immorally religious beliefs justify actions trustworthy deserves full acceptance jesus christ world save sinners reason shown mercy jesus christ display unlimited patience receive eternal life king eternal immortal invisible honor glory forever quote statement made court february jeffrey dahmer notorious cannibal serial killer milwaukee wisconsin atheist mass murderer religious mass murderer trivial morality survey conducted roper organization found behavior deteriorated born experiences respondents driven intoxicated born conversion similarly illegal drugs conversion percent admitted engaging illicit salvation freethought today september religion monopoly moral behaviour thing atheist morality thing morality atheists answer explained atheists ideas morality strong held religious people atheism characteristic moral code answer atheism imply person behave atheists follow moral rules theists reasons atheists view morality created humans humans feel world work rules decreed supernatural atheists theists denying study freedom religion foundation found atheists responded atheists religion work found religious beliefs fundamentally incompatible observed atheists unbelievers ignorance denial unbelievers choice vast majority spent time studying religions great depth made careful considered decision reject religious beliefs decision inevitable consequence individual personality naturally sceptical person choice atheism makes sense choice person honestly make atheists atheists live lives watching desire watched matter good natured brother figure atheists able things true risks approach obvious atheists decide wanting evidence belief atheists evidence existence unwilling souls atheists previously religious explained vast majority considered possibility exists atheists spent time prayer reach true atheists lack open mind assuming atheists biased insincere offensive closed minded comments properly viewed patronizing engage philosophical debate atheists vital give benefit doubt assume sincere searched basically telling truth debate futile life completely pointless atheist atheists live purposeful life decide meaning life pursue goals make lives count wishing eternal life influence people live atheist dedicate life political reform hope leaving mark history natural human tendency meaning purpose random events means obvious life sort thing meaning question thing atheists meaning life silly meaning coffee life purpose meaning atheists find comfort time danger ways obtaining comfort family friends pets spiritual level food drink sound empty vulnerable face danger individuals things comforting face reality matter harsh decision individual concerned atheists unable makes feel comfortable truth comfort searching truth makes feel unhappy hard luck atheists worry suddenly shown wrong short answer atheists atheists years encountered arguments supposed evidence existence found invalid inconclusive thousands years religious belief resulted good proof existence atheists tend feel proved wrong future stop worrying theists question beliefs arguments apply beliefs questioned similar weak atheism sceptical default position asserts strong atheism negative belief theism strong positive belief atheists argue theists question beliefs real harm believers sort harm religion represents huge financial work burden mankind matter religious believers wasting money church buildings time effort spent building churches praying imagine effort spent theists miracle healing plenty instances people healed priest ceasing medicines prescribed doctors dying result theists died refused blood transfusions religious grounds arguable catholic church opposition birth control condoms increasing problem overpopulation world countries contributing spread aids world wide religious believers murder children children atheists marry religion real believers claimed believers sort excuse makes real believer true religions hard christianity competing groups convinced true christians fight kill atheist supposed decide real christian major christian churches catholic church church england decide atheists pragmatic view decide calls christian christian belief dogma justify actions considered christian christians perverting christian teaching ends surely bible readily support christian acts moral code bible word made easy misinterpret beliefs perversion intended single unambiguous interpretation bible atheist interpretation claims believes jesus murdered jesus bible told call christian extreme sorts beliefs questioned proved exist basic religious beliefs shared faiths nonsense hold pointed start dialogue positive assertions existence entities inherently harder disprove negative proved unicorns exist make myths valid hold negative assertion default hold positive assertion default weak atheists argue asserting atheism great theists popularity belief correct works people astrology graphology pseudo sciences atheists feel simply human weakness gods primitive human societies religion people deal phenomena adequately understand religion industrialized world find people believing religious explanations phenomena perfectly adequate natural explanations religion started means attempting explain world nowadays serves purposes cultures developed religions surely religions superficially similar worth remembering religions buddhism taoism lack sort concept christian sense religions quick denounce competing religions religion justify famous scientists philosophers concluded exists scientist philosopher believes pointed truth belief determined people important realize atheists view famous scientists philosophers theists view religious leaders famous scientist human expert fields talks matters words carry special weight respected scientists made foolish speaking subjects fields expertise widespread belief religion religion question properties helped spread theory memetics talks memes sets ideas propagate human minds analogy genes atheists view religions sets successful parasitic memes spread encouraging hosts convert memes avoid destruction discouraging believers questioning doctrine peer pressure time believers admitting mistaken religious memes encourage hosts destroy hosts controlled memes memetic view virtue successful propagation meme religion good thing number people disease good thing number people caught religion true puts important messages fundamental messages atheism important ideas atheists promote surprised ideas present religions moral behaviour mindlessly rules sceptical positive claims life sort meaning find search true makes uncomfortable make life good relying external power change change popular good assume assume easy test things true finally importantly beliefs open question taking time read article mathew begin signature version iqcvagubk ajrxzxn vroblfaqfsbwp mhepy wpsivx khyyxmerfao ltvtmvtu sbbpw qkbjarby htdii sseypl nihqnzxe pgvlt tlez eoehzjxlefrdeypvayt yqqgb harboehdcrte atmp hssppau signature information send mail pgpinfo 
gospel dating organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article mangoe charley wingate writes john necessarily elaborated theology evidence luke content canonized form argument elaborate argument quotes john codified matthew luke considered similar point knowledge source assuming knew luke luke give evidence assumption traditional attributions luke john john elder figure case talking spans time range lifetimes talking date texts authors usual explanation time order mark matthew luke respective ages matthew read text mark luke matthew mark assumed john knew content luke text evidence overwhelming admittedly earlier manuscripts john discovered interesting dated info hand late early possibly shed doubt order putting john rest point james felder hand knowledge events obvious older texts base account association luke paul mark peter generally accepted genuine letter peter close original card sender receiver fine supposed missing step removed source luke mark matthew learned stories directly diciples sort transformation jesus gospel people posit news reports generally information john diciple john disciple generally accepted style language theology counterargument argument john disciple relies claim gospel john evidence step generation removed times compare reports similar events century illiterate societies speak believers necessarily sources obvious mark edited oldest manuscripts knowledge antiquated oldest estimates complete clear editing problem ending basically hopeless mess oldest versions give strong sense incompleteness point shortest versions break midsentence obvious solution point part text lost material verse pretty represent synopsys luke words original mark arguments based mark pretty weak connected redating john benedikt 
university violating separation church state organization mantis consultants cambridge newsreader rusnews lines kings philosophers philosophers kings writes recently ordered resisted cared apparently post religious flyer entitled soul scroll thoughts religion spirituality matters soul inside bathroom stall doors school university hampshire sort newsletter assembled hall director campus poses question spirituality issue solicits responses included issue pretty vague assume christian careful mention jesus bible heard defend support religion state university strong supporter separation church state enraged sounds screaming parody give copy friendly neighbourhood subgenius preacher luck mental mincer hand back outrageously offensive bustingly funny parody paste originals stool scroll thoughts religion spirituality matters colon text wipe mathew 
motss princeton axes matching funds scouts distribution organization research lines article mcgwier writes hate economic terrorism political correctness worse hate policy effective approach stop donating organizating directly indirectly supports rights issues boycott funding scouts reconcile apparent contradiction strom strom research mill river road yorktown heights 
visit jehovah witnesses organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article jbrown writes lucifer created perfect nature define perfect playing usual game make sweeping statements omni holy perfect note terms leads contradictions play games understand coming completely point view atheism foot mouth wondered catholic christian fact contradiction unresolvable reasons atheist believed similar sentences long time shows power religion claims prevented lucifer fall taking ability choose moral alternatives worship worship error make lucifer free place evil evil opinion premise point view premise true specifically evil evil occur definition evil ordinarily letting evil happen allowing evil place place causing evil evil give definition free presence omniscient determination words created conscious beings ability choose moral choices independently free omniscient attribute creatures omnipotent created choice left events fixed omniscient extend argument james tims omniscient creating beings free moral choice greater good emergence ungodliness evil created knowing outcome advance greater good evil knowledge happen make unipolar system possibility good good necessarily imply evil logically logically restrains free choice choose evil simply good free moral choice good defined loving obeying avoiding behaviors prohibits good evil good evil logically omnipotent free choices scenario define free imagine good beings harm easily implemented making object good deeds make long feel absence good evil case arguing conceivable omnipotent omnipotent logically consistent give idea omnipotent deletion weak speculating ubiquitous pink unicorns basis speculation idea fall blue reading science fiction fantasy disagree bible describes omniscient created beings free moral choice definitional logic mind amount evidence exists biblical description fair evidence bolsters argument view bible describes omniscient omnipotent destroys credibility bible people interested evidence definitions benedikt 
political atheists organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host punisher caltech arromdee arromdee writes motto originated star spangled banner atheists motto coins originated mccarthyite smear equated atheism communism called unamerican didn motto coins civil required currency keith 
anecdote islam organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article jaeger gregg jaeger writes victimized muslims victimize true muslims muslims annoying understand point petty sarcasm basic principle islam born muslim testify mohammad prophet long explicitly reject islam word considered muslim muslims phenomenon attempting make general rule psychology direct odds basic islamic principles attack islam argue islam explicitly contradicts criticism islam change criticism arguments people identify muslims victims attacks argument situation muslims deeds muslim victimize named count argument people true muslims mention made muslims situation party double standards benedikt 
good deal confusion started assertion objective morality admit finished recursive definition murder objectively immoral eactly murder requires appeal morality switch targets goal goal suggesting objective goal form morals achieve goal natural morality survival propogation species moral system presented declaration independence states guaranteed life liberty pursuit happiness moral system define purpose system moral murder violation golden rule thought defined murder intentional killing murderer responded execution innocent person system capital punishment murder fail claimed system morality objective thought claim kind objective morality murder wrong claim fine murder violates golen rule pillar moral system assuming current system manner implementation objectively moral good approximation perfect understand difference arbitrary objective keith schneider defines murder arbitrary livesey personal system morality killing humans murder wrong legal definition murder kuweit saudi arabia matters whit objective assume system based clear fundamental concepts arbitary implies clear line reasoning keith 
pompous organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host punisher caltech cwru keith ryan writes people questions rarely answer nope answered question posed answered multiple times keith 
pompous organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host punisher caltech livesey livesey writes long motto stay default cutoff point exact cutoff years surely years notion default account population makeup specifically talking arguing motto interpreted offensive larger portion population years keith 
keith schneider stealth poster organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host punisher caltech sandvik apple kent sandvik writes borrow philosophy understand color true experienced color interpretation judge subjectively objectivity applicable wanting discuss merits keith 
keith schneider stealth poster organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host punisher caltech arromdee arromdee writes discuss merits racism psycholgical benefits experienced personally speak experiencing religion religion pretty impossible ideal religion determine thought suits religion warrants belief belief carries psychological benefits psychological burdens speak experiencing racism racism racist things parallelism meant usage phrase psychological benefits gained racism fully understood judged persons believing racism parallel poor originated keith 
capital punishment wrong shooting analogy continue drive realizing sooner killed automobile accident people killed result driving continue killing drive sufficient evidence conclude necessarily kill lifetime thinks thinks involved fatal accident likelihood surprisingly high firing squad shooting blanks guilty taking human life murder murder wrong situation action prevent murder killing wrong situtation note situation occur options killing killing wrong basically tired probabilistic arguments attempting condescending system works pretty small consolation poor innocent bastard lethal injection personal human life based solely statistical approach sound unswerving adherent outweighing fuck people found risk acceptable plane crash electric blender executed innocent personally risk acceptable ideal moral system risk acceptable acceptable fudge factor approximation ideal keith 
people approve death penalty realizing shortcomings make reasonable sole judge reasonability revenge merits find capital punishment talking majority people support revenge fairness people favor punishment murderer punished people deserves people fair murderer live victim died revenge petty pathetic petty pathetic views minority local televised topic talk show recently segment capital punishment advocate portion system jurisprudence cited main reason supporting bastard deserved true human compassion forgiveness sympathy required compassion forgiveness sympathy wrongs great lengths make advantage removed similar situation forced kills apply golden rule kill person turn entire moral system based concept stating human life sacred violated sound sort religious view reasonable imprisonment person released found innocent undo imiprisonment served imprision people watch closely cost similar implanted sort electronic device alive prison dead chair criminal committed murder desires irrelevant answered question concerned death penalty possibility execution innocent concern shared imprisonment logic administer minimum punishment avoid violating liberty happiness innocent person keith 
political atheists organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host punisher caltech bobbe robert beauchaine writes kill person innocent person convicted murder murder committed murderer considered murderer reasonable introduced fudge factor account inability totally objective lack absolutely true information society collective decides carry burden executing citizens carries blame innocent blood voter casts ballot favor capital punishment part guilty murder innocent victim system people favor system blame society accepts system member society blame innocent person executed favor work convince members society accepted blame considered risk acceptable similarly person drives accept blame fatal traffic accidents surely happen people driving question risk acceptable innocent person killed driving executed keith 
innocents death penalty bobbe robert beauchaine organization tektronix beaverton lines article james tims writes maintaining classes prison place innocent people higher risk unjust death state executed classes occasional error answer position place people prison life depends predisposition murder success rate escape ability commit crimes words lifetime imprisonment work executing people careful lock beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan 
ancient islamic rituals bobbe robert beauchaine organization tektronix beaverton lines article darice monash fred rice writes propose trends greater level general depression society psychological problems greater sexual promiscuity linked prime provide evidence stage thesis reasonable request people ponder damn provide evidence rarely widespread social phenomenon reducible simple premise psychology hard science roughly mathematical soundness physics premise reflects socialization religious background validate religious beliefs pretend answers xenophobia guilt intolerance brought adherence fundamentalist religions play large role depressing members society mileage varies beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan 
arromdee arromdee writes article livesey livesey writes innocent person killed sense feel punish single murder reform system reducing number deaths produce system back system introduce single extra death sense stronger argument sole purpose death penalty kill people primary argue purpose continue kill people practice utility killing innocents unconscionable existence prison system transportation system based merits society detriments accept lost innocent lives overwhelming benefit continued existence systems stretch evidence arguments make claim capital punishment case clear maintain capital punsihment system kills innocent people positive gain corner respond belief state life open debate tiring thread beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan 
creator halat bears halat reply halat bears halat lines article drporter brad porter writes science wonderful answering questions type question scientific findings personally find theory evolution unfathomable humans highly evolved complex organism thinks learns develops organism resulted random genetic mutations natural selection stuff deleted computers excellent evolution creator create computers create sand silicon integrated circuits processor board things interesting plants create oxygen light photosynthesis bigger leap talk created find unfathomable resort believing creator simpler alternative exists simply incapable understanding beginnings beginnings present perfectly busy halat 
americans evolution halat bears halat reply halat bears halat lines article johnsd johnson writes article maine writes johnson hand bravo beautiful simply beautiful halat 
speculations dgraham douglas graham organization bell northern research ottawa canada lines article mathew writes nanci miller writes omnipotent folks claim terminate eternity reason flibble glop groink thing demanding able meaning terms classic excessive faith reason fact trouble talking imply impossible simply implies hard talk good chance flibble glop groink charlie wingate flibble glop groink doug graham dgraham opinions 
debate capital punishment wrong group relevance able capital punishment murder murder wrong term defined innocent person executed objectively murder blame question entire society sanctions sorts executions realizing risks blame probability killing innocent person shooting random probability killing innocent person state administers system capital punishment actions taking sooner result killing innocent person probablity kill raondom activity isolated totally rest society driving kill people airlines people continue driving flying punishments inflicted unwilling prisoners courts risks willingly argue system similar risk innocent person punished someday work prevent fact criminals free result prevent punishment innocents driving kills moral issue person involved fatal accident felt guilty accidents totally expected numner vehicals road blame society false witness resulted innocent person convicted killed fault state actual killing commented state killing depend false witnesses state killing case sincere mistakes state fault case state prevent false witnesses capital punishment murder possibilty human error invalidating system capital punishment murder period involves taking human life definition murder make appeals dictionaries objective morals call murder question murders wrong taking human life wrong matter circumstances society decide murder lists reasons live moral consequences play word games pretend murder murder opinion society basically works society accepts risk innocent person murdered execution member society shares blame people definitions murder include sort malicious intent involved execution discuss objective moral system possibilty ramifications personal system objective discussing objective moral system showing thing incapable defining terms murder murder violates golden rule executions allowing society implicitly accepts consequences matter innocent victim talking reading minds talking knowing truth absolutely truth court systems work principle knowing truth reasonable doubt simply quoting accurately totally objectively case people thinking voting execute person intent malicious unfair execution murder slide claim jury persuaded doubt knowing minds doubt reading minds jury conviction moral objective system absolute truth matters jury system method approximate truth twelve members convinced truth jury sufficiently prejudiced background persuaded doubt evidence laugh read minds people conviction unfair perfectly fair read minds assume fair knew absolute truth fair opinion good approximation absolute truth question fairness claim quoted claim fair able distinguish capital punishnment murder objectively determine difference knew information determine difference flawed system system good objectively perfect matter fair objectively fair huge difference read minds read minds difference degree fairness effect objective system produce fairly objective system clear goals supposed promote waste time devise system pretty exist simply people confront reality reality remember reality important case reality ideal theories fact fairness justice system innocent person released death dozen innocent people executed hundred simply assume system fairly decent realize correctness system totally ideal objective system hand pretend ideal theory things justie system fair wave magic wand make types killing murder ideal system working system ideal hope create system close approximation ideal system hand recognize justice small hope probability punishing innocent bear moral responsibility probabilistic consequences systems murdering strictly bear responsibility people preferable requires people face moral consequences society sheltering magic ceremonies word games realize consequences actions separating justice system pack forget objective moral system idea presents evidence country objective system objective system exist theory omniscience objective system practice keith 
keith schneider objective moral system start definitions objective system depends predictably thing falls falls attempt apply objective system exist means implemented keith 
university violating separation church state organization imperial college lines nntp posting host article kings philosophers philosophers kings writes recently ordered resisted cared apparently post religious flyer entitled soul scroll thoughts religion spirituality matters soul inside bathroom stall doors school university hampshire sort newsletter assembled hall director campus post deleted respond religious postings stop dana easy post flyers stall doors bottom nice large capitals emergency toilet paper robert mellish email mellish hobnob joyful prize rafia work 
usatoday family values organization florida international university miami lines article danb portal babcock writes funny usatoday american family association post choice parts enjoyment emphases adding typos mine article deleted found local sunday newspaper cartoon section perfect place 
islamic authority women livesey livesey organization nntp posting host solntze lines article mozumder writes claim person committs crime moment crime committed originally believers good statistics people declared atheism doubtless atheist charity temporarily baptist 
ancient islamic rituals livesey livesey organization nntp posting host solntze lines article darice monash fred rice writes propose trends greater level general depression society psychological problems greater sexual promiscuity linked prime provide evidence stage thesis reasonable request people ponder pondered seconds realised reliable statistics sexual promiscuity issue depression defined earlier centuries talking crap pull mozumder people marriage defined depressed noticed 
motss princeton axes matching funds scouts organization university mexico albuquerque lines nntp posting host carina article stank stan krieger writes scouting purpose established netnews voters decided provide scouting newsgroup give fringe groups forum anti societal political views thing comment stan time part forum call scouting policy discussions related topics policy discussion involves related topics fringe group discussion engenders strong feelings sides issues hand wether view anti societal opinion make engage discussion kill file continue discussion knowing full implications apply plan continuing discussion input tired people matter significant group feel impact closely dominick zurlo world oyster eagle scout allergic mollusks blacklisted 
writes rape surely burden guilt solely rapist thrown cage tiger mauled blame tiger keith 
writes imprision people watch closely cost similar implanted sort electronic device wait commit crime implant devices potential criminals communists atheists follow reasoning proposing punish people commit crime justification keith 
enviroleague organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host rocket stratus alternative scouting unacceptable reasons religious sexual preference boyd critz subject enviroleague birth announcement march earth forum compuserve information service formal announcement enviroleague youth movement enviroleague recently born founder boyd critz peoria illinois enviroleague exists education youth male female matters values related responsibility environment incorporated illinois profit corporation articles initial applications service mark filed critz draft bylaws statement mission objectives mission mission enviroleague adult members foster implement improved education young people conduct lives stewards earth leave earth condition found responsible moral ethical users environment pursue accomplishment mission enviroleague seek serve catalyst focusing common separate efforts groups desiring preservation improvement responsible environment live objectives pursuit mission enviroleague primary objectives establish movement involving environmentally concerned organizations movement primary focus education participatory involvement young people areas environmental concern develop provide organizations branches full complement program materials including suitable uniforms insignia badges written ideas syllabi information literature items desirable serve clearing house exchange program ideas materials information organizations assist environmentally concerned organizations recruit train adult leadership youth programs enviroleague operate program divisions serving youth elementary middle high school grades service formation enviroleague teams enviroleague environmentally conscious organizations local branches wishing charter programs developed enviroleague enviroleague develops controlled actual adult leaders local team nationally imposed obstacles membership adult leadership status based relevant improper conduct organizations accepting charter impose additional standards program material organizations enviroleague commit forming nearby teams restrictions youth membership enviroleague operate principle youth contribute developing programs youth leaders teams middle high school youth involved governing local administrative groups high school youth involved similar functions national level program materials development time copies draft portions mentor manual manual adult leadership earth forum library files updated development takes place compuserve proud enviroleague founder chose electronic medium make public announcement formation announcement made simultaneously outdoor earth forums electronic home enviroleague compuserve earth forum earth message library areas named enviroleague subsequently enviroleague initial governance council held meeting boyd critz elected enviroleague chief guardian equivalent chairman board reached home case real mail addressed enviroleague peoria interested starting enviroleague team establish contact receive diskette ascii initial information stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
idle questions fellow atheists organization macalester college lines atheists care speculate face world atheists majority minority group population ridiculous question ways newsreader postings figure post atheists stance accor higher thinking theistic thinking typical selfish argument lines thinking evolved inherent motivation intrinsically qualitatively measuring stick drawn assign system beliefs core alternative apply periphery expresses selfishness idle thoughts adam adam john cooper verily laughed weaklings thought good simply acooper claws 
americans evolution organization massachvsetts institvte technology lines distribution world nntp posting host thnext article simon warwick simon clippingdale writes deleted atheism tend recognise categories atheism function format mathew weak gods strong gods deleted strong atheist quibble assertion strong position requires faith commonly theists exist belief opinion formed basis observation including amount introspection fully accept wrong swayed suitably convincing evidence gods exist imply faith part gods exist fact believing gods argue statement gods exist rest faith making positive statement gods exist strong atheism weak atheism exist maintain position reading faqs strong atheism requires faith language problem faith existence christian maintain exist exist means space time kierkegaard exist eternal feel pointless debate called existence source ground exist accept statement things phrase existence usual sense sense clarification existence differ means faith webster faith allegiance duty person loyalty fidelity promises sincerity intentions belief trust loyalty belief traditional doctrines religion firm belief proof complete trust believed strong conviction system religious beliefs belief prove exist exist opinion based observation observtions refering observations valid establishing positive belief observations point direction direction predisposed predisposed people whoes partents tend draw conclusion existence existence requires leap made leap actively exist personally statements misguided arguing existence precisely wrong find personal viable concept person ahead choice anthropomorphise explain glad agree violently disagree advantage start calling person thinks misunderstood faqs read point error ways correct situation interested polite thought discussion cheers simon simon clippingdale simon warwick department computer science university warwick coventry singleton bobs 
genocide caused atheism organization sponsored account school computer science carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply mozumder writes horrible deaths resulted atheism horrible deaths result atheists theists bobby list atheist side fails recognize theists equally proficient genocide weak history somone give list wars caused theists hitler claimed christian complete list effective showing bobby absurd statement peace side note notice sign posts peace advice leave atheists peace beliefs bobby mozumder nanci author quote send email lying deeply ingrained lying 
dear theist organization sponsored account school computer science carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply west stilgar writes means full quote michael crichton jurrasic park earth existed contently billions years blink tomorrow earth miss remember quote humble thinking progressed masters planet cool quote earth saving existed happily saving watch theists jump brian west file earth file blink file tomorrow posted west missed care jurassic park diclaimer meant made nanci author quote send email lying deeply ingrained lying 
keith caltech keith allan schneider writes reference line trimmed livesey livesey writes good deal confusion started assertion objective morality admit finished recursive definition murder objectively immoral eactly murder requires appeal morality circular recursive semantics recursiveness problems horribly inefficient assembly programmer switch targets goal goal suggesting objective goal form morals achieve goal natural morality survival propogation species moral system presented declaration independence states guaranteed life liberty pursuit happiness moral system define purpose system moral quoted line people guaranteed life liberty pursuit happiness inalienable rights complete deception authors line process proving liberty free purchased cost cost whos liberty inalienable similarly life person save group whos life inalienable leads classic question death penalty serial killers whos life liberty valuable serial killer victim beautiful line rights completely inviolate able remove includes government admittedly serial killer restricted people life liberty life liberty inviolate declaration independence murder violation golden rule thought defined murder intentional killing murderer ooh means killing infant murder reason infant similarly people brain dead easier coma current accidental killing murder include responded execution innocent person system capital punishment murder fail claimed system morality objective thought claim kind objective morality murder wrong claim fine real golden rule life gold makes rules makes survival wrong murder violates golen rule pillar moral system assuming current system manner implementation objectively moral good approximation perfect golden rule stated system implemented reality deal fiction reality understand difference arbitrary objective keith schneider defines murder arbitrary livesey personal system morality killing humans murder wrong legal definition murder kuweit saudi arabia matters whit ozland arbitrary find part society societal rules morals arbitrary objective assume system based clear fundamental concepts arbitary implies clear line reasoning keith sounds euphemisms difference objective reasoning arbitrary reasoning understand 
radical agnostic zazen welbon organization brownian motion newsreader version lines jcopelan wrote article bgsu pixie writes post bgsu means possibly prove doubt exist means lacking ability absolute proof atheist faith accept accept blind faith invisible pink flying unicorns question meant atheist familiar importance meaning word statements consistent wearing lilac socks wearing lilac socks statements consistent wearing lilac socks wearing lilac socks statements require faith make presumptions nature reality statements require belief atheists included position harbor beliefs good evidence existing folks call agnosticism suffer blind faith worry happy 
maddi madhaus maddi hausmann organization society putting things things lines created image gaea pinnacle creation creates births continues religious crap woman sexism started road atheism maddi hausmann madhaus centigram communications corp jose california kids home remember post professionally 
wrong bdunn caltech brendan dunn organization california institute technology pasadena nntp posting host punisher caltech lines article writes turkish atheism satenism buddism instant hislife finally decided islambecause facts intend write point view atheists people dropped deep dark thinking reality dusty walls looked upward blue skies dsee truth close eyes allah mohammed mess ager generate entropy means theology thermodynamics point view problem kiss spark generated formation universe formed tself bothering bang return reality universe isla bobby atheism false stuff universe cyclical brendan dunn 
organization california institute technology pasadena nntp posting host lloyd caltech lines bobbe robert beauchaine writes argument stand costs execute criminal country feed clothe shelter remainder natural life people fault judicial system find greatest virtues assume talking appeals processes noted people imprisoned life tend appeal final hours economics good reason favor oppose punishment keith 
americans evolution caltech henling lawrence distribution world local organization california institute technology nntp posting host juliet caltech news software vnews lines article ccit arizona lippard ccit arizona james lippard writes article caltech caltech henling lawrence writes atheism greek theos belief agnosticism greek gnostein belief determine agnosticism defined positive belief belief determine existence gods belief inclined reject defined atheism positive belief fairly large number atheists atheism reject definition holding atheism simply absence belief michael martin atheism philosophical justification distinguishes strong atheism mistake newer dictionary read follow line larry henling caltech 
make assumption agree murderer commited murder murderer intentionally committed murder instance bullet thought blanks killed person performed action murderer guess made clear definition interested reasonable definition reasonable inductive definition bottom definition essence murder intentional killing commited murder expanding occurence murder include word defined definition series recursively infinite meaning deduced assume problem correct inductive definition define terms simpler case bottoming cases instance define factorial function function assigns positive integer product positive integers equal positive integers inductively math lesson deleted situation suppose longstanding feud families claim committed travesty distant past time member family kills member family thinks justified killing member family suppose sequence occurred infinite number times dealing infinities suppose member family back time essentially begins thing ending loop slayings based existent travesty resolve murders suppose totally applicable problem reduce uninduced system case nested murderer definition murder infintely recursive finite existence humanity murder committed killing involved person intentionally killed necessarily murderer induction solve apparently unreducable definition totally objective system information nested definition problem keith 
keith caltech keith allan schneider writes mathew writes rape surely burden guilt solely rapist thrown cage tiger mauled blame tiger human greater control actions predominately instictive tiger proper analogy thrown cage person mauled blame person providing person responsible frame mind clinicaly insane thing relates navy tatoos love makes virile bobby mozumder april true muslim left world 
idle questions fellow atheists organization university wisconsin madison computer sciences dept lines article acooper macalstr writes atheists care speculate face world atheists majority minority group population problems slight shift emphasis weekends inviolate common work days week business american atheists similar religious organizations persons religious belief crutch justification actions guide determine actions people fascinating rationalizations actions watch people religion america matter extreemists ends large majority make issue long admittedly suffer bible belt north fringes reasonable people things tend reasonable religion atheists stance accor higher thinking theistic thinking typical selfish argument lines thinking evolved inherent motivation intrinsically qualitatively measuring stick drawn assign system beliefs core alternative apply periphery expresses selfishness bother higher thinking anybodys thinking fall trap start decide inferior modes thinking idic infinite diversity infinite combinations argue soda inflation 
problem satan islamic authority women organization university nebraska omaha lines article trajan unomaha stephen mcintyre writes bobby states satan free brings host paradoxes evil free directing evil part infinite good evil solid answer hope gave fairly solid answer simply agree embodied version satan separate creation force wrote belief ascribe evil creation absence good fits logic things dual knife sculpt kill entropy evil view force entity satan metaphorical fact verses holy support view traditions tradition food left open shelf table overnight satan enter appears reference undiscovered germs evil effect spoiled food satan examples satan personified physical descriptions heaven hell holy bible times spiritual intellectual evolution modern human physical descriptions heaven hell satan literally worked time mentioned tradition cited sufficient absence theory germs disease spread worms simply describe evil passed consumer spoiled food satanic begs question satan case metaphorical allah bottom line describing spiritual plane human language describing color person blind birth read book flatland dragon intended light hearted description mathematical cept deleted space saving language fails adequately describe dimension experienced speakers conventions metaphor allegory unseen terms reference meaning reader listener models compro mise made speaking metaphorically clarity directness meaning equivalence perception crippled asked exists spirit metaphorical satan metaphorical justify belief justify metaphor instances satan tormentor testament book temptor testament gospels spirit metaphorical belief evil case satanists satan metaphorical satanist justify belief case religious standards evil bobby address question deleted metaphor philosophizing issue readers newsgroup delve religious interpretation wishes discuss line mail line posting stephen atheist libertarian individuality responsibility jazz 
motss princeton axes matching funds scouts reply bevans message organization lines article bevans mathemagician writes people straight people absolutely straight arrow year male involved care people long make passes summer camp work boss pansy push give respect back position taught tolerance thought gays faries taught antibigot basically business violates civil rights 
gospel dating robert knowles organization kupajava east krakatoa reply nntp posting host mailer psilink lines date stilgar article cwru keith ryan writes article west stilgar writes illiad undisputed word prove wrong dispute ergo counter proven wrong dispute counter ergo counter counter wrong nanny nanny tbbtthh case temporary islam 
word advice jcopelan organization public access unix denver math dept summary yeah lines article mangoe charley wingate writes times alternative caught alternative point rationality alternative problems metaphysical religious knowledge unsolvable humans solve interrupt washed brain today 
morality long organization sponsored account school computer science carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply jbrown writes supernatural forces create pathogen diseases entity created acid rain meteors falling volcanoes earthquakes quote unquote acts acts natural occurrences amazes audacity human creation result natural process evolution post processes volcanos natural occurrences gave choose things natural processes direct acts natural disaster specific purpose mind sadistic nature bible satan original inception disease evolution random chance produced humanity forsook protection choose live humanity collectively surprise adverse consequences collective action left deal disease disorders inevitably result entropic universe collective bullcrap coming collective referring idea works humanity levels individually collectively mankind decides undertake action majority mankind consequences action affect mankind adam people honor christians claim represent majority billions trillions people majority vote voted differently tree asked assumes people sounds kind false generalization theists posting resorting shoulda nanci author quote send email lying deeply ingrained lying 
islamic authority women bobbe robert beauchaine organization tektronix beaverton lines article mozumder writes mistake children mother raised child thing relates navy tatoos love makes virile compare homos raised study point claim stayed home raised child false made feminists seek status recognize fact women natural differences physically mentally logic americans worlds problems atheists becuase code ethics follow means atheists feel totally based feelings feelings cloud rational thinking yeah atheists good define good awright bobby back shit brains glory thought turned corner progress thorazine prescription runs kill file good stuff staying power fortunately learned long long long beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan 
islamic authority women bobbe robert beauchaine organization tektronix beaverton lines article mozumder writes peace bobby hell learn stands beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan 
omnipotence speculations jbrown lines article robert knowles writes date nanci miller uncreate violate nature nature exist statement inherent existence existence existence exist mentioned omnipotent omnipotent omnipotent able creates contradictory definition omnipotence effectively useless descriptive omnipotence powerful able illustrate analogy suppose united states nuclear power earth suppose military effectively countered nation group nations power country time reason straighten things leaders militarily omnipotent suppose holds doctrine philosophy interfering internal affairs nation current civil yugoslavian states technically scenario power unilaterally yugoslavia straighten mess effectively intervene violating policy interference policy interference held strongly question violated effectively limited power wanted simply interfere idea consideration leaders inviolate interference policy effectively limited sense powerful power violate essence hope helps clear misunderstanding omnipotence 
islamic marriage karner karner organization advanced workstation division originator frank austin lines article masud khan writes article karner karner writes names official records pseudo marriages performed convenience typically woman move lover scruples legal contracts speak utilizing loophole entering temporary religious marriage contract order complains cares alert imam practice widespread takes muslim witness penetration decide practice exists astound level ignorance display muslims allowed enter temporary marriages evidence outlawed practise facts straight buddy give references lying widespread fantasise fact contrary fantasies practised muslims buddy read wrote talking muslims allowed practice muslim retort tired true muslims bullshit gave names information fatwa leashed perpetrators honestly voluntarily forward confess kind extremism shown religionaries chance rate conclusive proof nature people indulge practice agree theory hope allah forgive arrogant pretend speak muslims regard kind silly insinuating koranic forbids criminals muslim countries care subject weakness arguments netters disclaimer opinions expressed posting mine solely represent employer karner technical support karner vnet 
keith caltech keith allan schneider writes reference line trimmed livesey livesey writes good deal confusion started assertion objective morality admit finished recursive definition murder objectively immoral eactly murder requires appeal morality switch targets goal goal suggesting objective goal form morals achieve goal natural morality survival propogation species goal hope imply evolution conscious goal 
organization nntp posting host solntze lines article keith caltech keith allan schneider writes bobbe robert beauchaine writes personal objection find capital punishment cruel unusual punishment circumstances painless cruel occurred frequently dawn time unusual koff long sleep kill cruel 
organization nntp posting host solntze lines article keith caltech keith allan schneider writes livesey livesey writes keith schneider objective moral system start definitions objective system depends predictably thing falls falls attempt apply objective system exist means implemented fact exist bothers fact able define wanted hear indefinable things principle exist long carefully religious person 
pompous livesey livesey keith caltech keith allan schneider writes cwru keith ryan writes people questions rarely answer nope answered question posed answered multiple times fifty dollars answer question bang theory bang theory recipe cookies fifty dollars answers make sense 
pompous livesey livesey keith caltech keith allan schneider writes livesey livesey writes long motto stay default cutoff point exact cutoff years surely years notion default account population makeup specifically talking arguing motto interpreted offensive larger portion population years commenting makes sense inherit default steam trains recently 
morality long john johnson organization penn state university lines article jbrown responds grief article galahad stanford scott compton sagemaster relevant discussion answering john question genetic diseases bacterial viral diseases require babies develop antibodies fault original question scotty followup irrelevant original question unusual threads quickly evolve original topic understand spent time responding regarded irrelevancies collective bullcrap coming collective referring idea works humanity levels individually collectively mankind decides undertake action majority mankind guess hypothetical adam majority mankind time consequences action affect mankind understand apologize syllable words discussion understand collective insane perversion justice sort judge punish descendants crime committed ancestor read post provide response send copy brown read posts slip admit read read bible days missed couple good followups post sending personal copy followup hope respond publically john sageless 
jews hide keith organization lines nntp posting host solntze article dgraham douglas graham writes article livesey livesey writes article dgraham douglas graham writes previously people country jews survive sounds accusing nazi previous posting deleted perfectly fine rant agree completely issue hand accused fellow germany nazi grant explicity make accusation pretty damn close accusing sympathizing exterminate jews good poster casually trashed thousand years jewish history replied previously people germany people formally nazis nazi party active tacit support ordinary street behaved casual anti semitism perfectly acceptable understand wrote matter hand 
jews hide keith organization lines nntp posting host solntze article acooper macalstr writes article livesey livesey writes germany country discriminate jews worst reputation expressing general european dislike turn debate antisemitism point luther antisemitism based religious grounds hitler racial grounds wagnmer aesthetic grounds blanketing group poor analysis bigots find intriguing remarks give explanation religion anti semitic aesthetic 
rushdie islamic organization lines distribution world nntp posting host solntze article darice monash fred rice writes livesey livesey writes british blowing skyscrapers implying person accused blowing islamic teachings blowing replying person attempted justify fatwa rushdie grounds work intentionally insulting single sentence fairly long posting implying disingenuous dishonest care back read full posting kind trust deny islamic teaching fatwa rushdie 
anecdote islam organization lines distribution world nntp posting host solntze article jaeger gregg jaeger writes understand point petty sarcasm basic principle islam born muslim testify mohammad prophet long explicitly reject islam word considered muslim muslims phenomenon attempting make general rule psychology direct odds basic islamic principles attack islam argue islam explicitly contradicts mozumder incorrect committing acts people temporarily atheists 
genocide caused atheism organization virginia tech computer science dept blacksburg lines nntp posting host csugrad mozumder writes saddam believed pray times communism hand committed genocide atheism lenin stalin hard atheist believed atheism integral part communism bobby stalin killed millions socialism atheism characteristic lenin stalin version socialism characteristic lenin stalin socialism centralization food distribution stalin lenin killed millions rationing bread horrible deaths resulted atheism earlier posts stated true muslim believers incapable evil suppose reason killed religion perfect world live bobby reasons atheist limit giving form face bobby referring obscure good atheist handbook xxvi give face excuse bobby argue theism argue christian idea realm christianity created image kevin marshall sophomore computer science virginia tech blacksburg marshall 
list biblical contradictions organization stanford university lines joslin pitt david joslin writes writes found list biblical contradictions cleaned curious purpose people lists serve time atheists spend time paying attention bible face things life chuckle snort silliness book absurdity people believing truth spend time mayan religion native americans heck native americans signifigantly interesting myths egyptians attention christianity accept religion mythology find accurate tolerant hard places book nose tells special carolyn 
visit jehovah witnesses reply jbrown message lines reply suopanki oulu organization unixverstas olutensin finlandia jbrown eternal jesus jesus eternal works logically mathematically things eternal jesus subset jesus belongs things eternal logical mercedes mercedes heikki 
mathew mathew writes article arromdee arromdee writes automobile system kills driving passengers mention pedestrians drive killed kills system public transport favour banning private cars replacing trains buses taxis bicycles seconded cycle work damned cars cretinous drivers road 
mathew mathew writes livesey livesey writes meaning people drive accept risks contribute money design systems minimize risks systems minimize risks drivers called bicycles trains buses poor matthew million posters call drivers chooses owner 
omnipotence speculations organization lines nntp posting host solntze article jbrown writes article robert knowles writes date nanci miller uncreate violate nature nature exist statement inherent existence existence existence exist mentioned omnipotent omnipotent omnipotent able creates contradictory definition omnipotence effectively useless descriptive omnipotence powerful able illustrate analogy suppose united states nuclear power earth suppose military effectively countered nation group nations power country time reason straighten things leaders militarily omnipotent check afghans posting disagree 
satanic nntp posting host kraken organization griffith university brisbane australia lines mangoe charley wingate writes nanci miller writes favorite reply literal minded complaint bible inspired important make damn translators scribes people interpreting copying literally merit corrupted originally inspired corrupted theory pretty weak comparison current hebrew text versions translations shows text fact changed space millennia shouldn suprising people text manner makes pains make good copies honestly hold tripe charley start current versions bible make comparisons show write utter garbage witness mormon catholic anglican greek orthodox bibles convince good library local library king james compared brand tongue good news bible genesis unrecognisable discrepencies gospels edited good news bible fact good news congenial fellow king james give quotes headings changed jeff 
ancient islamic rituals nntp posting host kraken organization griffith university brisbane australia lines cfaehl chris faehl writes reasonable trend obesity trend depression pick favorite trends notice correlation make sweeping statement generality people valid reasonable thesis gross oversimplification push pull factors people experience agree reckon television increase fundamentalism increase marital thinks psychologists criminal justice system violent criminals letting streets increase designer drugs communist plot basically social interactions changing factors society complicated control hold panic handles hope heading soft landing things depression destruction nuclear family solely marriage jeff fred rice darice monash cfaehl 
americans evolution organization california institute technology lines distribution world nntp posting host juliet caltech news software vnews article njit david utidjian writes article caltech henling lawrence writes complete description atheism agnosticism atheism answers utidjian berkeley apologize posting thought talk origins definitions websters nonetheless apparent past arguments words imply bimonthly biweekly commonly accepted definitions care larry henling caltech 
jews hide keith originator frank austin organization advanced workstation division lines article livesey livesey writes article dgraham douglas graham writes article livesey livesey writes deletions previously people country jews survive sounds accusing nazi hitler nazis spring fully formed forehead athena invent anti semitism built foundation anti semitism present germany foundation anti semitism laid nazis people listed hundreds years unthinking knee jerk bigotry part perfectly ordinary people pastors priests worry today hollywood hitler black uniform striding german stage unprepared step bedrock foundations anti semitism laid germany speak laid hitlers himmlers people poster question people casual anti semitism acceptable deletions suggest greatest respect read history german poster remark anti semitic imply germany agree israely policy nazi pray qualify casual anti semitism term apply bring bigotry shining disclaimer opinions expressed posting mine solely represent employer karner technical support karner vnet 
omnipotence speculations organization case western reserve university lines nntp posting host student cwru article jbrown writes effectively limited sense powerful power violate essence thing relates navy tatoos love makes virile bobby mozumder april true muslim left world 
visit jehovah witnesses organization case western reserve university lines nntp posting host student cwru article suopanki oulu heikki suopanki writes eternal jesus jesus eternal works logically mathematically things eternal jesus subset jesus belongs things eternal logical mercedes mercedes strickly correct incorrect application rules language work mercedes premis mercedes case equal person object simply extract word taking context account case imply case equal thing relates navy tatoos love makes virile bobby mozumder april true muslim left world 
islam jehovah witnesses organization society hard lines article qpliu writes article jbrown writes created lucifer perfect nature gave angels free moral prevented lucifer fall taking ability choose moral alternatives worship worship lucifer moral choices determined determines qpliu standard opinion opinions delta correlated bobby posts lucifer free believes contrary talking lucifer suggest experiment determine wrong claim norman 
share organization andrews university scotland lines article kilroy earthbound misfit writes bena monash aveling writes warning devout christian post offend upset numerous ctrl deleted hehehe assume familiar christian fish symbol back volvos found morning stolen pagans chance blisfully ignorant sigh hate drawing ascii chars work haven read skinny legs robbins accurate modern religions appropriated great book followups atheism readers slightly authorative craig harding kilroy acme pnyyvat obmb craig thought derived greek acronym greek jesus christ iesus christos theos ichthos greek fish ichthysaurus apologies dreadful greek correct norman 
genocide caused atheism organization association clothes lines article mozumder writes reasons atheist limit giving form face wait minute thought allah presume allah unknowable claiming concrete fact face bible hindparts suggest decide hindparts face quotation marks face interpret peace bobby mozumder norman 
visit jehovah witnesses originator news nntp posting host ernie princeton reply qpliu organization princeton university lines article jbrown writes article benedikt rosenau writes give definition free presence omniscient determination words created conscious beings ability choose moral choices independently free hypothetical conscious beings ignore influences circumstances genetics environment experiences determined idea hell makes idea free dubious hand idea hell powerful idea parable main character blah blah blah thug pointed blasting hell thought thug follow instructions avoid blasted hell hand thug follow instructions blasted hell attractive choice obvious follow instructions found choice obvious learned blasted hell made undesirable noticed thug real thug threats make thug resumed blah blah blah qpliu standard opinion opinions delta correlated 
gospel dating nntp posting host reply west organization workstations maryland university maryland college park lines article cwru keith ryan writes article west stilgar writes article cwru keith ryan writes article west stilgar writes illiad undisputed word prove wrong dispute ergo counter proven wrong dispute counter ergo counter counter wrong nanny nanny tbbtthh premis stated undisputed fine illiad word disputed dispute matter prove wrong brian west file earth file blink file tomorrow posted west missed care jurassic park diclaimer meant made 
gospel dating organization case western reserve university lines nntp posting host student cwru article west stilgar writes fine illiad word disputed dispute matter prove wrong illiad word ergo word humbly agree words conceed thing relates navy tatoos love makes virile bobby mozumder april true muslim left world 
americans evolution rfox rich univ south dakota reply rfox organization university south dakota computer science dept nntp posting host charlie lines article livesey livesey writes article osrhe bill conner writes spend time posting atheism incidental question trivial fess matters great deal questions important mithras life today important mithras funded group fanatics schools system teach children mithras true cares long works individual impose beliefs children funded group purge science deny children access great wonders skills kids born creationists burden begin adult life cruel awakening finally light provided escape depths type ignorance 
visit jehovah witnesses organization south australian regional academic research network lines distribution world nntp posting host baarnie tafe jbrown writes syllogism form logically valid construction syllogism form logically invalid construction comments apply appeal mathew mantis wrote excellent post part logical argument mathew mantis successful year logic student logically correct poster logically incorrect pretentions 
morality americans evolution organization university michigan engineering arbor lines distribution world nntp posting host syndicoot engin umich article jbrown writes babies diseases create life protein code mutable evolve delving deep discussion creationism evolutionism main problem scenario outline consistent evidence familiar support earth latest estimates billion years life billion years humans years fossil evidence inidcates life changing evolving fact disease ridden long people fossils show signs disease bone disorders heck fossil evidence able glean genetic study shows disease long long time human brought disease indirectly necessarily exist humans created original genetic code perfect flaw sidetracked theological ramifications original main effect called original discussion remove humanity protection choice intimate fellowship addition caused dominion satan assumed dominion earth deletions humanity longer protection satan dominion great feat satan genetically engineer diseases bacterial viral genetic forces natural selection tend improve survivability species degeneration genetic code offset evolutionary biologists biology claim strongly disagree evidence human genetic code started perfect condition adapt envionment collective sense curious degeneration genetic code human complex accumulate errors adversely affecting ability fight disease simpler bacteria viruses tend efficient causing infection disease combination pretty good adapting viruses bacteria small percentage microlife harmful humans small percentage reasonalby constant size ranks changing bubonic plague nasty disease agree pops time time today damage part sanitation people disease symptoms tend severe past partly people susceptible died long nasty variants overgrazed forgive poor terminology engineer doctor died lack nearby hosts wrong gather acne hundred years nastier killer nasty newborns suffer genetic viral bacterial diseases disorders wait minute question humans created perfect admit inbuilt abiliy fight disease satan making diseases gift humans means fight simpler make diseases lethal survivors immune systems imperfect presently built clear planning ahead time satan charge building immune system time design made immune systems ahead time knowing adam descendents fight diseases mystical supernatural explanation prepared accept responsible disease satan original inception disease evolution random chance produced humanity forsook protection puzzle perfect phrase created perfect flaw mind perfect system incapable degrading time perfect system constant intervention imperfect perfect system imho writing masterpiece bunch wrappers held elmer glue original genetic instructions perfect written inferior materials carefully tended fall materials incapable creating system maintain choose deletions summary newborns innocent suffering main point evidence explanation give aware making nitpicks sincerely ingles opinions university ingles umich michigan 
morality long organization university michigan engineering arbor lines distribution world nntp posting host syndicoot engin umich article jbrown writes article galahad stanford scott compton writes deletions back post fine seventh grade life science explain diseases caused satan good things result secret create amino acid sequence guess sequence curls helix happen supernatural force takes advanced science degrees millions dollars state equipment thought intelligence create building blocks life foolish people advanced science degrees state equipment spend millions dollars simulate tornadoes tornadoes require intelligence exist equipment needed state study products generate read post provide response send copy brown read posts slip sincerely ingles opinions university ingles umich michigan 
anecdote islam reply nntp posting host organization kupajava east krakatoa mailer psilink lines date livesey article jaeger gregg jaeger writes understand point petty sarcasm basic principle islam born muslim testify mohammad prophet long explicitly reject islam word considered muslim muslims phenomenon attempting make general rule psychology direct odds basic islamic principles attack islam argue islam explicitly contradicts mozumder incorrect committing acts people temporarily atheists incorrect defending islam defending islam infidels dare criticize atheist argument petty sarcasm temporary atheists temporary atheists good muslims explicitly rejected islam temporary atheism temporary islam temporary marriage sticks teflon religion convenient easy clean expect bunch people agree phases moon 
morality long organization university oulu finland newsreader version lines kind argument cries comment jbrown wrote article galahad stanford scott compton writes originally wrote create disease responsible maladies newborns create life protein code mutable evolve delving deep discussion creationism evolutionism created original genetic code perfect flaw evidence code perfect degraded evidence favour statement biggest imperfection code full coding regions introns called intervene coding regions exons impressive amount evidence suggests introns ancient origin early exons represented early protein domains number introns decreasing increasing appears intron loss occur species common ancestry similar exon intron structure genes hand possibility introns inserted presents logical difficulties introns removed splicing mechanism present unused introns inserted intron insertion required precise targeting random insertion tolerated sequences intron removal splicing mrna conserved transposition sequence leaves trace long terminal repeats target site duplications found intron sequences recommend reading textbooks molecular biology genetics posting theological arguments watson molecular biology gene darnell lodish baltimore molecular biology cell starters remember question posed theological context disease newborns answer likewise theological perspective valid purely scientific perspective scientific perspective supported evidence theological perspectives fail fulfil criterion misread meaning made genetic code perfect perfect evolved worse cite references support assertion assertion valid scientific perspective support evidence fact claimed parasites diseases important thought instance evolved defence parasites view supported computer simulations evolution tierra thought higher energy rays rays gamma rays cosmic rays caused damage fact thermal energy damage mild easily fixed enzymatic action atmosphere time created life recollection biologists claim life began billion years half billion years earth created primitive support life remember figure billion years origination life earth estimate replace created formed invoke creator earth formed recent estimates earth range billion years earliest signs life true fossils organic stromatolite layers date back billion years leave billion years cells evolve give references based evolutionary biochemistry attended dominion great feat satan genetically engineer diseases bacterial viral genetic forces natural selection tend improve survivability species degeneration genetic code offset true evidence supposed degeneration understand scott reaction excuse fetched jesting pathogens point mutations spontaneously response statement accept fact hope forget evidence suggests spontaneously evidence conclusion science healthy sign doubt disbelieve path walk evidence present conclusions prior theology method doubt conclusions human complex accumulate errors adversely affecting ability fight disease simpler bacteria viruses tend efficient causing infection disease combination newborns suffer genetic viral bacterial diseases disorders supposing purpose valid move bacteria viruses exist disease manifests general principle evolution replication saves replicators degradiation efficient method survive replicate efficient methods make present time present evidence claim human degrading evolutionary processes people claimed opposite true suppressed selection bound degrade evidence claim relevant discussion answering john question genetic diseases bacterial viral diseases require babies develop antibodies fault original question evil fault explanation work fails miserably fact satan responsible suppose powerful evil satan exists inconceivable responsible ills affect mankind intended problem satan explain diseases inevitable product evolution inference oversimplify point summary words takes context people meant punished diseases free moral choices attendent consequences mankind chooses reject people beginning expect protect adverse events entropic universe expecting exists expect leave hear choices free interesting philosophical question answer clear consequences expect rejecting allah admit perfect working good library bookstore good starting point price china question provided answer biology genetics fine subjects important scientific endeavors explain created life processes explain creation life subsequent evolution proposition supported evidence recommend books invoke prime mover evidence universe existence intervention recent cosmological theories hawking suggest people insist scotty fine sagely advice highly motivated learn nitty gritty details biology genetics find fascinating subject realize details change picture created life beginning ability change adapt environment evidence picture create capable adaptation existence supreme reading atkins creation revisited freeman petri petri pihko mathematics truth pihatie finou oulu physics rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistry game 
islam dress code women organization arizona state university tempe lines article benedikt rosenau writes article darice monash fred rice writes women souls islam people muslims women souls admit heard view held muslims heard christians eras holding viewpoint muslims confusing christian history islamic history supposed predominant view turkish caliphate aware turkish caliphate viewpoint reference found quote imam shias follow obey women whatsoever give advice matter whatsoever everyday life freely give advice fritter wealth disobey wishes owner wealth religion left devices lacking pity virtue carnal desires stake easy enjoy great anxiety virtious libertines corrupt whores deprived charm untainted vice qualities miscreants complain oppressed oppress make oaths lying pretend refuse solicitations desire ardently emerge victorious evil deeds preserve case good quote qanawi bouhdiba sexuality islam quote exemplary islamic viewpoint prophet cousin fourth khalif hazret frustrating night woman selim guncer selim guncer jaca negra luna grande csser aceitunas alforja aunque sepa caminos guncer nunca llegare cordoba 
islamic authority women organization csiro lines article mozumder writes mistake children mother raised child thing relates navy tatoos love makes virile compare homos raised study point claim stayed home raised child false made feminists seek status recognize fact women natural differences physically mentally bobby question posts sort extended elaborate hoax hard convince entire civilised world feeble minded talent absurd things sign print computer terminal engage brain prior operating keyboard admit laugh stuff graham jenkins graham jenkins csiro csiro commonwealth scientific industrial canberra australia research organisation 
jews hide keith organization lines distribution world nntp posting host solntze article karner karner writes german poster remark anti semitic years sightseeing roaming back kill palastinians land back casual antisemitism plenty ways criticize israeli policy insulting jews jewish history 
innocents death penalty organization south australian regional academic research network lines distribution world nntp posting host baarnie tafe james tims writes maintaining classes prison place innocent people higher risk unjust death state executed classes occasional error higher risk killed killed mistake agree concept type murderers massive waste space resources agree concept killing wrong kill punish punishment kill lacking consistency pretentions 
islam dress code women organization lines distribution world nntp posting host solntze article guncer selim guncer writes quote exemplary islamic viewpoint prophet cousin fourth khalif hazret frustrating night woman interesting women reactions recorded frustrating night considered important 
creator organization university michigan engineering arbor lines distribution world nntp posting host syndicoot engin umich article jbrown writes article newnham leonard newnham writes deletions argument incredulity considered valid form reasoning medieval times deletions interesting mention argument incredulity considered valid form reasoning medieval times agree atheists engage times read posts atheists posting state gracious loving evil suffering occur earth simply envision true argument incredulity presented argument incredulity presented manner presented form offered convincing explanation unreasonable explanation phenomena theism provide convincing explanation argument theism favor theisms offer explanations adherents purportedly theism give explanations complex motivations reasons action action simply evil occurs occurs argument incredulity ranks high reasons atheists general reject christian experience experience common reason lack evidence theism favor mileage vary universal bane human reasoning rationality easier logical fallacy inept reasoning part opponents oneself heck snide fairly easy attack arguments made strawmen wisdom remove splinter neighbor sage advice sincerely raymond ingles ingles umich apple hours doctors kliban 
mathew writes imprision people watch closely cost similar implanted sort electronic device wait commit crime implant devices potential criminals communists atheists follow reasoning proposing punish people commit crime justification mathew proposing public defence mechanism treating electronic device impropriety wearer step propose permanent bugging potential criminals surface sound thing defines potential criminal government decides member opposition party makes potential criminal openly defying government lethal practice conducive free society mathew implanting electronic surveillance devices people impropriety person type crime chance recidivism basically criminal justice system punishment offender possibly deterrant future offenders mathew sees means rehabilitation offender cynical jeff 
satanic organization texas university lines nntp posting host tamvm tamu article mangoe charley wingate writes nanci miller writes corrupted theory pretty weak comparison current hebrew text versions translations shows text fact changed space millennia shouldn suprising people text manner makes pains make good copies king james mate wingate peace peace strife closed mangoe brothers pray thing tove mangoe marv lous peace john burke tamu 
islamic marriage reply nntp posting host organization kupajava east krakatoa mailer psilink lines date karner article masud khan writes article karner karner writes names official records pseudo marriages performed convenience typically woman move lover scruples legal contracts speak utilizing loophole entering temporary religious marriage contract order complains cares alert imam practice widespread takes muslim witness penetration decide practice exists astound level ignorance display muslims allowed enter temporary marriages evidence outlawed practise facts straight buddy give references lying widespread fantasise fact contrary fantasies practised muslims miss post topic quote indonesian handbook fred rice comments temporary marriages glad repost accept practice muslims continue claim lying practised muslims karner lying practice contribute discussion accuse lying ignorance showing learn islam learn muslims open eyes things atheists 
innocents death penalty lippard ccit arizona james lippard distribution world local organization university arizona nntp posting host skyblu ccit arizona news software vnews lines article chrisb chris bell writes killing wrong kill punish punishment kill lacking consistency holding people wrong hold people punish punishment hold punishment private person private person apparent reason lead punishment fines suppose lippard lippard arizona dept philosophy lippard bitnet university arizona tucson 
visit jehovah witnesses lippard ccit arizona james lippard distribution world local organization university arizona nntp posting host skyblu ccit arizona news software vnews lines article cwru keith ryan writes article suopanki oulu heikki suopanki writes eternal jesus jesus eternal works logically mathematically things eternal jesus subset jesus belongs things eternal premise conclusion properly translated identity statements statements predication identity translated predicate letter designate designate jesus predicate letter property eternal premise conclusion premise appears identity case properly symbolized remark jesus subset suggests strict identity desired premise means members making property eternal conclusion lippard lippard arizona dept philosophy lippard bitnet university arizona tucson 
visit jehovah witnesses lippard ccit arizona james lippard distribution world local organization university arizona nntp posting host skyblu ccit arizona news software vnews lines article chrisb chris bell writes jbrown writes syllogism form logically valid construction syllogism form logically invalid construction comments apply identity syllogisms valid predicate syllogism invalid syllogism pointed valid predicate designates individual lippard lippard arizona dept philosophy lippard bitnet university arizona tucson 
motss princeton axes matching funds scouts article cbnewsl organization summit lines student writes roger colin shouse writes radical dogma claims claim claim knowing twenty instances kind muddleheaded fourth reich sophistique shit postings fact instances counted reproduce virus words question response weasels shouse stan krieger possibilities study dispassionately figure work remember learned combat clones office contribute insights favorite abnormal psych ward learn overcome repugnance serial murder posting totally uncalled scouting point raised answered roger stated support position issue specifically homosexual behavior constitutes violation scout oath specifically promise live morally straight discuss cloud issue comparisons blacks minorities meaningless comparing apples oranges people control race control behavior possibly discuss scouting issue including denying live worship wolf adhering recognized positive religious moral standards society established continue based stan krieger opinions advice suggestions unix system laboratories related employment summit 
satanic nntp posting host welch reply davidk organization welch medical library lines article mangoe charley wingate writes pnanci miller writes favorite reply literal minded complaint bible inspired important make damn translators scribes people interpreting copying literally merit corrupted originally inspired pthe corrupted theory pretty weak comparison pcurrent hebrew text versions translations shows text phas fact changed space millennia pshouldn suprising people text manner pare makes pains make good copies corrupted time good bible constructed years jesus death text merchants literal word intended nonsense authors bible plagerize asians contents interperated make sense 
americans evolution nntp posting host welch reply davidk organization welch medical library lines atheism incidental question trivial matters great deal idiots force belief enforce creation myths taught scientific fact school morals morals successful presidential candidate atheist shouldn considered citizen patriotic nation fundies party provide president united states america force beliefs rest country cetera subscribe atheism middle people mind readers atheism concoct straw reason share belief accept fundamentalist christians told atheism reject allah proud embrace islam reject krishna eyes closed religious nuts post atheism kind militant christian accept share beliefs kind stuff talk religion misc belongs atheism belief absence belief gods problem bill pfirst atheism fact belief beilief pbecause belief hold ador faith atheist gods proven excepting pfaith belief complain pfundamental christians force beliefs pmention atheists madamme murry hare founder atheists association austin texas robert sherman chicago area force beliefs society banning religious paintings parks chistmas forcing cities change town seals mention sherman slogan trust american currency talk creation myths fact myths phave concrete evidece pdon enforces point atheism belief christianity show pmark covalt real problem argument christianity ignore origin asiatic origin christians good centric buddhists supposed listen opinion speak place employment christ rated follow koresh current christ ascention heaven 
atheism introduction atheism organization society preservation coli lines distribution world nntp posting host carina keywords atheism addition atheist hospitals recall correctly johns hopkins built provide medical services backing religious group making hospital dedicated glory weak atheism check brian evans mood mood mood bevans virgin mary 
theists posting organization tektronix beaverton lines article khan navy umar khan writes stuff deleted concordance translation considered authoritative orthodox commentary militant atheists moderate atheists read resolve differences interpretation hmm question followers religion moslems resolve differences opinion interpretation quran read culture newsgroups zillions interpretations naren naren standard disclaimers apply 
genocide caused atheism organization tektronix beaverton lines mozumder writes horrible deaths resulted atheism list killings religion iran iraq civil sudan riots india pakistan massacares bangladesh inquistions america million crusades people list bobby standard excuses accepted naren standard disclaimers apply 
genocide caused atheism organization harlequin cambridge lines nanci miller writes mozumder writes horrible deaths resulted atheism horrible deaths result atheists theists weak history somone give list wars caused theists thread arguing validity religious viewpoint utilitarian principle atheism religion wrong death underlying moral death wrong arbitrary measure validity epistemology richard internet richard internet rptb cambridge phoenix janet buddhist 
radical agnostic organization university wisconsin claire lines reply zazen welbon means possibly prove doubt exist means lacking ability absolute proof atheist faith accept accept blind faith invisible pink flying unicorns harbor beliefs good evidence existing folks call agnosticism suffer blind faith worry happy atheists lack belief gods secondary epistemological consideration accept reliable knowing valid logical arguments existence gods empirical evidence exist philosophers theologians agree idea accepted faith faith belief sound logical basis empirical evidence reliable knowing people accept absence possibility proof agree elses word faith found person reliable past judge reliable source find faith reliable logic empirical evidence assume provide reliable knowledge gods difference atheist theist fundamentally faith held reliable knowing agnostic posters faith gods gods theist believes faith acceptable basis belief gods rejects faith reliable times work scientist atheist believes logic empirical evidence lead reliable knowledge agnosticism defensible position theism atheism sceptic knowledge evidence gods santa claus easter bunny point atheist require absolute knowledge lack gods thing absolute knowledge atheism simplest theory lack facts held contrary evidence found david nyeda uwec midelfort clinic claire patently absurd wishes philosopher learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell 
keith ignorant organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host lloyd caltech cmhnet mike mcangus writes start wait religious organizations longer exempt beef lobby group asked answered encompasses exempt status religious organizations religions longer exempt wrong lobbying attempting influence politics keith 
keith schneider stealth poster organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host lloyd caltech cmhnet mike mcangus writes understand order talk knowledgeably religion atheists immersed religion rare individual left understand people discuss subjective merits religion objectively obvious people religion true threatened motto people motto tool tool guns axes tools murder motto misuse warrants removal case keith 
keith schneider stealth poster organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host lloyd caltech cmtan chade meng writes agree theist religion matter religion drug difficult order experience religion necessarily blind faith blind faith diffcult reason back atheism unreasonable people religion order judge people dying find death judge death dead judge religion experienced people religion account totally agree religious folk exposed religion people helped ways basically judge religion route individual general population personally choose religion hard find benefits state keith 
political atheists organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host lloyd caltech mmwang michael wang writes rigorous definition spending rest lives arguing christian believes argue motto points country proud freedom religion distinguishes countries opinion shared people gather seeking make government recognize christianity dominant religion country infringing rights share beliefs people make government recognize christianity dominant religion country motto infringes rights share beliefs government recognize christianity dominant religion country realize recognize supposed teachings christianity people personally motto major concern agree discussing people associate christmas jesus anymore problem prove assertion people associate christmas jesus anymore hear christmas jesus figure prominent holiday high degree association jesus personal level thinks talks prove people associate christmas importantly jesus point people associate christmas jesus matter people majority numbers matter takes majority majority power discriminate keith 
probability automobile system kill innocent accident asymptotically close court system automobile system true people forced automobile system choice ways make automobile system safe recognize danger innocent current make court system safer fairly easily replacing fatal punishments fatal punishments court system refined hundreds years britain countries make fair made removing death penalty life imprisonment sounds fatal punishment keith 
political atheists organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host lloyd caltech dace dace writes keith allan schneider keith caltech wrote soldiers dependent religion number purposes doubt dependent cocaine military paying coca fields religion benefits combat situation benefits cocaine keith 
pompous organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host lloyd caltech writes people fanatics propogandized conflict atheists religious impression outlaw religion contintue remove things religious reference people asked fundamentalists oppressed allowed oppress shown idea people atheism religion winner groundless prediction happen account propoganda remember asked germans wwii jews shoudl slaughtered answer propoganda machine rolled able tolerate takes small group fanatics whip general frenzy propoganda machines gear number issues including abortion gays things happened passed amendment intense scrutiny failed outlaw abortion prime goal issue soo effective managed outlaw abortion objectivity courts managed create problems people wanted abortion create similar problems worse stop abortions blocking clinics imagine stop atheism margin error large talk people opinion branched informal survey half dozen questions unbiased keith claim questions biased minute posted answers agreed asked removal motto christian portion expressed regret loss pointed motto works expressed desire rape murder pillage basically claimed able convince individually convince room nation atheist portion expressed disgust motto noted harassed christians motto justified glad supported minor problem easily contrasted happen christians designed motto motto jesus refers christians christians wrote christians religion wrong include religions realm correct doubt religions meant included clear religious convictions francis scott motto attributed clear believed surely christians christians actively despise religions christian queried thinks means people faiths christianity popular suppose people asked hindu moselem jews applicable people pretty accurate representations faiths good idea assume dissenting views issue assuming views leads conclusion evidence contrary doubt dissenting opinions claim provide evidence assertion access congressional records comparing christians nazis interesting sense convinced change beliefs motto money cost extra abolished motto dies plates redone people paid changed motto show good reason change doubt plates year printing make easy remove motto simply make year plates claim evidently extra provide evidence assertion redesign plates year argument conveniently deleted motto costs money correct read mention jesus issue distinction religion religious religious motto refers religious motto question christian doubt provide evidence assertion religion country religion ussr quotes included atheists general quotes lost mentioned jesus advocated religion religion specific religion mentioned missed point motto motto imply beliefs trusts form nation obvious include doubt claim motto refers christians based facts christianity religions wrong motto written christians doubt claim christians religions outlawed wrong silly flat earthers wrong advocate banishment based idea doubt additional expense incurred removing motto provide evidence claim cost insignificant mentioned slight cost motto costing money currency disregarding digression motto harassment purpose found removed mottos general purposes removed benefit outweighed consequences vote opinions main reason motto required bother atheists majority congress time mind show opinion people concerned concerned opinion entire congress complete majority shared purpose confronting godless communism motto majority general public anti atheist intent people daresay people remember time wrote anthem remember debate surrounding motto remember people intended message atheists include survey conducting claim scientists claims doubt provide evidence assertion scientists probability einstein relativity worthy einstein good chance time courts method scientists applied agree court default good record agree time decisions good evidence favor point agree court allowed congress attempt make amendment prohibiting flag burning realize external realm court power confident court powers court works participate discussion court judge speak congress ignore abortion rule make claims abortion inappropriate supreme court justice testify congress consideration constitutional amendment order court rule case presented mushrooms flowers trees buildings signs analogy find offensive present doesn rights violated talking people keith mushroom caused mushroom exist finding things offensive mushroom farm mushrooms planted mushrooms pizza case motto ignoring harassment result motto ignoring line people forced motto forced motto keith 
visit jehovah witnesses organization mantis consultants cambridge newsreader rusnews lines suopanki oulu writes jbrown eternal jesus jesus eternal works logically mathematically things eternal jesus subset jesus belongs things eternal logical mercedes mercedes phrasing ambiguous writing carefully possibilities things called mercedes cars called mercedes valid piece logical deduction sound statement false similarly hold valid sound interpretation wrote exists called mercedes called mercedes valid mathew 
mathew writes imprision people watch closely cost similar implanted sort electronic device wait commit crime implant devices potential criminals communists atheists follow reasoning proposing punish people commit crime justification irony keith mathew 
mathew writes rape surely burden guilt solely rapist thrown cage tiger mauled blame tiger tigers sentient pushed pool dolphins attacked inclined blame dolphins person pushing dolphins aggressive developed brains capacity abstract thought matter fact tigers rarely attack humans human provokes cage small count provocation mathew 
zyklon painless method death insert soem form ethnic minority groups killed mutilated exterminated history guess unusual agree holocost allowed constitution punishment doubt recieved considered fair trial standards happened japanese citizens world prepared round people stick concentration camp trial short step gassing trial nazis originally intended imprison jews final solution dreamt partly afford camps devastation caused goering total gassed generally died malnutrition disease mathew 
atheist distribution world organization mantis consultants cambridge lines benedikt rosenau writes article tony lezard writes deletion opinion strong atheist position requires belief comfortable strong atheists care comment humans idea spiritual parent artifacts human thought evidence overwhelming information content conceived vanishing words gods make sense explain phenomenon religion gods concept useless introduce assumptions order show leap faith required mileage vary fully agree gods exist gods exist mandtbacka mats andtbacka pointed hinges word bound definitions strong weak atheism atheism characterized absence belief existence atheists exist referred weak atheist position strong atheism important note difference positions weak atheism simple scepticism disbelief existence strong atheism positive belief exist fall trap assuming atheists strong atheists mathew introduction atheism version modified clarified notion belief tony lezard tony tony mantis things tony mantis nsfnet relay resort public request 
circular recursive semantics recursiveness problems horribly inefficient assembly programmer tail recursive functions scheme efficient iterative loops program assembler heard optimizing compilers mathew 
anecdote islam reply jaeger message organization unorganized usenet postings uninc news reader news lines jaeger writes deletia understand point petty sarcasm basic principle islam born muslim testify mohammad prophet long explicitly reject islam word considered muslim muslims phenomenon attempting make general rule psychology direct odds basic islamic principles attack islam argue islam explicitly contradicts deletions mentioned chopping hands punishment theft saudi arabia assuming assuming people fitting requirement muslim find highly convince bobby mozumder muslims chop people hands back succeeded disclaimer great young insane 
fundamental contradiction visit reply lucio organization megabyte digital telecommunications lines jbrown writes determination words created conscious beings ability choose moral choices independently free representative paragraph thought strikes contradicting fable lucifer fall recall speculation based biblical text rcism showing benedikt pointed lucifer perfect nature free choose evil choice genesis offered opportunity tempter assume satan lucifer discover invent create call action origin bible mention lucifer free make fuss mankind free strikes fact rationalisation fact salvation christians identically mind salvation free tightly coupled theology roman catholic theologian explain lucifer fall lucifer perfect nature fall execute contradicted nature effect evil exist time lucio lucio stops 
atheist reply lucio organization megabyte digital telecommunications lines tony lezard writes opinion strong atheist position requires belief comfortable strong atheists care comment strong atheists outnumbered atheism weak atheists cost repudiating made strong weak atheism issue context atheism continually attacked basis strong atheists existence separation valid cover arse infinitely grey area weak strong strong unattainable mathematical atheism logically support weak atheist position effect strong atheist mathematical justify strong atheist position show evidence presented favour gods scrutiny faulty read correctly argument existence generic represented mainstream theologians found unassailable adequate evidence real undefinable definition found watertight turn accept sufficient base disbelief conceivable fuzzy edges opinions change thread subject lucio lucio stops 
inimitable rushdie anecdote islam organization mantis consultants cambridge newsreader rusnews lines jaeger gregg jaeger writes rushdie case legitimate issue rushdie actions effects islamic countries simple commit crime islamic country simple person committed crime country borders time committed matter physical manifestation instance hack nasa ames research delete files committed crime united kingdom authorities prosecute automatic authorities pressure sites holland holland anti cracking legislation viewed hacker haven system administrators similarly company called television broadcasting pornographic material received britain broadcasting britain committing crime broadcasting denmark british government powerless spite apparent breaking lawyer wrong confusingly countries mathew 
anecdote islam organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article jaeger gregg jaeger writes cases prostitution prostitute punished public severely deletion gregg lenient punishes severely public exceptions implied matters depends statistics punished public power islamic rape women times blowing rapist head public call leniency lenient argument chopping hands heads people lenient appears internalized claims legal system checking suit description argument takes rape woman islamic approve prostitute customer words punishing violation rights punish severely public pointer hysteria connected sexuality religions give answers evidence opposite claims case accept complex ridden views oriental goatherd forget west historically sexual neurosis oriental goatherd intellectual fact memory serves connection primitive machism orient islam people agree fine assume clue detrimental effects supressing heard aids evil disease exist miss point aids spread necessarily spread futher point important point urge stronger fear aids stronger religious attempts channel forbid consequences suppressing worse consequences aids note idea aids controlled completely counterfactual brought point evil benedikt 
biblical rape organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article strom strom writes article benedikt rosenau writes time read rest posting respond absolutely messianic mistake read messianic carefully benedikt 
motss princeton axes matching funds scouts article skinnhi distribution organization decision support lines nntp posting host dsinc article shou uchicago writes article perry perry writes bigots concede bigotry irrational people determine examining arguments expected wonderful world bigot whomever comfortable imagine entertain argument belief system simply accuse person making bigot thread vituperation slopped venom atheism spend time entertaining arguments belief system resorting accusing bigotry ironic exposure bigotry instance originated scouting understood scouting teach tolerance diversity understand bigotry irrational prejudice people happen race religion ethnic background inconsequential characteristics evidence sexual orientation lack belief gods inconsequential characteristics pending evidence conclude show prejudice people bigots organizations exclude people discriminatory perry perry decision support matthews opinions nominal 
americans evolution organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article bobs robert singleton writes deletion argue statement gods exist rest faith making positive statement gods exist strong atheism weak atheism exist maintain position reading faqs strong atheism requires faith view driving requires faith drives conclusion faith premises argument language problem faith existence christian maintain exist exist means space time kierkegaard exist eternal feel pointless debate called existence source ground exist accept statement things phrase existence usual sense sense clarification existence word game term definition thing commonly accepted define exist existence exist interestingly existence exists indubitable statements existence waste time existence replace implying case definition argument incomplete making fallacy deletion prove exist exist opinion based observation observtions refering observations valid establishing positive belief deletion follow observations based assumption exists level definition assumption meaningful reject concept evidence meaningful level benedikt 
morality constant biblical rape organization decision support lines nntp posting host dsinc frayed thread turned patented atheism ping pong game strong disagreement stick thing follow argument contradiction arguing bible enlightened times closer morally good based standards past experience hand hope summarizes argument adequately hand article strom strom writes article perry perry writes disclaimer speaking jewish perspective bible means call testament interpretation necessarily text court cases commentaries traditions passed jewish communities crux judge bible long line traditions interpretations coming current merits cultural artifact correspond closely contemporary values bible today shouldn judge people scissors paper consumer reports test scissors paper cutting ability scissors designed originally cloth possibly good judge bible teaching jewish morality today fair claim highly interpreted version enlightened times attempt extend analogy original scissor makers unusually advanced paper cutting times cloth heard paper arguing bible disgusting history depicted modern standards history full similar abuses biblical accounts worse contemporaries possibly hand reason history bible shows abuse contemporaries complex benign moral traditions evolved based mythic interpretations history interesting fair long tradition interpretation attack condemnation original history perry perry decision support matthews opinions nominal 
writes rape surely burden guilt solely rapist force live rapist case part responsibility accept rapist hypnotized view solely responsible actions necessarily rapist instance intentionally stick finger loaded mousetrap snapped fault keith 
islamic authority women nntp posting host organization department computer science warwick university england lines article mozumder writes thing relates navy tatoos love makes virile compare homos raised study point bobby priceless policy bobby posts give damn flick thread high speed searching posts bobby generated pile followups extract hilarious quote inevitably present purposes works arrived asked bobby real betcha atheism rest assured worse pearls wisdom bobby reproduce keith keeping file stuff allah infinite wisdom universe created allah exists bobby mozumder proving existence allah wait humans rarely reasonable contradict atheism explained logic reason contradiction atheism proves false bobby mozumder proving existence allah believer contradictory quran allah exist bobby mozumder proving existence allah thing relates navy tatoos love makes virile compare homos raised study point bobby mozumder islamically rigorous atheism mm quality quantity voice islam pbuh cheers simon simon clippingdale simon warwick department computer science university warwick coventry 
motss princeton axes matching funds scouts article organization case western reserve university lines nntp posting host student cwru article stank stan krieger writes point raised answered roger stated support position issue specifically homosexual behavior constitutes violation scout oath specifically promise live morally straight define morally straight straight implies hetersexual behavior straight slang word opposite alot family values talking misteriously thing relates navy tatoos love makes virile bobby mozumder april true muslim left world 
motss princeton axes matching funds scouts article unix organization blasny blasny consolidated amherst offices lines article stank stan krieger writes roger stated support position issue specifically homosexual behavior constitutes violation scout oath specifically promise live morally straight discuss apparently response claim terrifies people able indoctrinate children lifestyle words effect roger calm carefully written detailed letter explaining simply policy terrify inflammatory language left extremely open answer received answer conclude roger considers position indefensible simply worth defending cloud issue comparisons blacks minorities meaningless comparing apples oranges people control race control behavior fact point people control behavior fact blanket homosexuals possibly discuss scouting issue pierce usted tele madre twpierce amherst asesino graciosa bitnet twpierce pedro almodovar 
biblical rape benedikt rosenau organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article strom strom writes deletion thread biblical rape initiated david hunt posting article david hunt writes pretty biblical rules allowable rape prisoners codes knowledgable soul references asked narrow question gave narrow answer wrong apology deletion david hunt post mention response bring idea bible jews literal sense minority refers action effects intimate jewish theology understand messianic correct wrong appears views messianic jews metaphysics majority jews jewish theology distinct christianic views heard jews attribute evil christians bible effect interaction deletion thought agreed jews disagree core beliefs agree commandments accessible written language time legal system update context metaphysics process adapting commandments transcendent justification process metaphysic specualtion break shackles metaphysics system deletion explain respect original commandments discussed commandment feel raping woman prisoner wait marry commandment invalidates book commands commit genocide reprehensible deeds context repulsive foul play invoke enlightened passages content book deletion point connection theology interpretation bible loosely interpretation bible based long tradition jewish scholars interpreting bible theology enter jewish atheists interpret laws charity essentially interpretation laws interpretation bible sodom gomorrha argue idea metaphorically argue means theo logic question proof theology pose metaphysical riddle wrote fine major spirit absolute power absolute knowledge appears limited means communicate form spiritual friend admit context unusual assumption created universe passages bible referring omnipotence crap meant riddle important question light instance passage witrh sodom gomorrha means connection text fact exists interpretation purely arbitrary question carry burden biblical texts simply write books convey message answer becuase peculiar biblical information lost holds true book question remains bible special place replaced bargain dangerous content bible message included deletion danger metaphers bible danger danger frozen system laws laws worse systems system deletion read stories importance helping poor spirit body important helping poor resolving contradiction corporeal nature read stories bible commands people kill children idolaters kills children directly important resolve message children killed argument fallacy important context find corporeal crucial questions religious believers resolve contradictions choose possibilities arbitrary advantage able attribute decision resolve questions statement good good depends question benedikt 
atheist organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article tony lezard writes deletion words gods make sense explain phenomenon religion gods concept useless introduce assumptions order show fully agree gods exist gods exist mandtbacka mats andtbacka pointed hinges word gods exist gods exist words statements gods interfere world false meaningless ontology fairly conclude exist meaningless exist pragmatic definition truth exists meaningless makes exist logically false problem statements disprove subjective definition cases subjective make sense trouble definitions include form objective existence consequence gods affecting believers derive interfere life deletion clarified notion belief honestly problem benedikt 
allowed marriage rationality islamic marriage organization tampere university technology computing centre lines distribution sfnet nntp posting host mozumder writes case wrong world people start believing islam horrors mankind caused lack belief atheism time bobby lack belief imply atheism moslems moral named allah allah things allah moslem believes exists theist true follower islam murder victims year caused atheism poverty massive hate crimes respect human body distrust people wrong caused atheism peace jerk bobby mozumder sami aario measure atom explode sunlight comprised atoms stupid minds stupid stupid eros plan outer space disclaimer agree eros 
motto mania lines mathew writes prefer mark jason dominus suggestion motto changed mind fucking business aids fucking interest semi propose motto recently glorious state maryland state state song refers abraham lincoln tyrant people wound state motto inherited calverts fatti maschii parole femine read italian manly deeds womanly words effect state long women representatives represents problem official solution change translation means strong deeds gentle words personal suggestion changing walk softly carry stick wingate peace peace strife closed mangoe brothers pray thing tove mangoe marv lous peace 
visit jehovah witnesses good grief lines amount energy spent lousy syllogism volumes true position reason group wingate peace peace strife closed mangoe brothers pray thing tove mangoe marv lous peace 
benediktine metaphysics lines benedikt rosenau writes great authority contradictory exist contradictory property language correct things defined contradictory language exist object definitions reality amend things contradictory language exist plainly false failures description failures description objectivist remember wingate peace peace strife closed mangoe brothers pray thing tove mangoe marv lous peace 
gospel dating lines require amount evidence pair bluejeans superhuman powers argument nature claim superhuman powers human superhuman powers human human powers human superhuman powers sound good evidence question depends context group posting american college site pair blue jeans assuming coherency position superhuman powers arguments evidence respects existence jesus assume special powers agree called jesus fact live fact agree named jesus reason good claims extradinary virgin birth virgin sense sexual intercourse resurection claims require extra evidence extra evidence start evidence evidence cynics group accept foundation religion claims risen jesus back period believer discounted group ancients choose dismiss thing metaphysical relationship agree argued length means evidence interpret extraordinary claims claim statement speaker accept evidence matter wingate peace peace strife closed mangoe brothers pray thing tove mangoe marv lous peace 
remarkable admission lines livesey writes attempt distinguish flavours christian loudly claiming true christian obvious attempt aware loudly claim true christian avoid phrase christian ownership issues phrase nicene christianity attempt identify vast majority christianity roughly similar viewpoints core theological issues fall group fact espouse position arianism rejected nicene churches virtually wingate peace peace strife closed mangoe brothers pray thing tove mangoe marv lous peace 
gospel dating lines benedikt rosenau writes argument quotes john codified matthew luke considered similar point knowledge source assuming presenting accurately argument leads firm conclusion material john referred granted similarity matt luke material relationship john straight jesus mouth talking date texts authors usual explanation time order mark matthew luke respective ages matthew read text mark luke matthew mark version usual theory heard matthew luke independently relying mark luke relied matthew grating inconsistencies geneologies thing assumed john knew content luke text evidence overwhelming admittedly part point reference grateful info hand late early possibly shed doubt order putting john rest closes supposed writing existing copy quit original copies written survival probable step removed source luke mark matthew learned stories directly diciples sort transformation jesus gospel people posit news reports generally information john diciple john disciple generally accepted style language theology counterargument impressed theology argument pointing pointed earlier make arguments peter reason accept authentic letter step generation removed times compare reports similar events century illiterate societies analogy reporters talking participants words original mark arguments based mark pretty weak statement divinity section case agreed important epistles predate mark wingate peace peace strife closed mangoe brothers pray thing tove mangoe marv lous peace 
yeah lines benedikt rosenau writes revelation thing charley talking intellectual engagement revelation risk takes people concept metaphysical religious knowledge contradictive objectivist impressed problems conceptualization problem case explain quantum mechanics relativity terms ordinary experience rough understanding language perspective ordinary phenomena inconsistent perspective inexact charitable analogous situation supposedly obtains metaphysics problem descriptive language case holds reliable information show establish word reliable essentially meaningless context show reliability determined wingate peace peace strife closed mangoe brothers pray thing tove mangoe marv lous peace 
radical agnostic organization worldbank lines article nyeda uwec david wrote reply zazen welbon means possibly prove doubt exist means lacking ability absolute proof atheist faith accept accept blind faith invisible pink flying unicorns harbor beliefs good evidence existing folks call agnosticism suffer blind faith worry happy atheists lack belief gods secondary epistemological consideration accept reliable knowing valid logical arguments existence gods empirical evidence exist philosophers theologians agree idea accepted faith faith belief sound logical basis empirical evidence reliable knowing expand definition knowing monolithic intend distinguish knowing equals apples apples equals apples french knowing jerry lewis auteur means socrates patently absurd wishes philosopher learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell epigraph issue learning absurdities merit exploration gene 
personal objection find capital punishment cruel unusual punishment circumstances painless cruel occurred frequently dawn time unusual issue numbers single innocent life innocents singled accidental false execution issue keith 
yeah organization decision support lines nntp posting host dsinc article mangoe charley wingate writes years periodically asked charley wingate explain mythical alternative rationality propounds enthusiastically pops months reluctance explain times alternative caught alternative point rationality alternative problems metaphysical religious knowledge unsolvable humans solve alternative basis whatsoever claim usual line call prejudgment atheism dispute reason admit alternative basis claim reason reason inapplicable religious knowledge possibly reason conflicts religious knowledge sounds provide rational defense belief prefer discard rationality accept false hope makes happy repeated unfounded assertions effect advance perry perry decision support matthews opinions nominal 
yeah organization university michigan engineering arbor lines distribution world nntp posting host agar engin umich article mangoe charley wingate writes benedikt rosenau writes revelation thing charley talking intellectual engagement revelation risk takes core question suggest scenario grant exists revelation communicate humans revelation taking form paraphrased words infinitely powerful deity grabs poor schmuck makes dictation hides hundred years exists human personally experienced revelation person observes revelations elements contradict strongly aspects observed world person mutually contradictory claims revelation based person blamed concluding absent personal revelation revelation thing objectivist impressed problems conceptualization problem case explain quantum mechanics relativity terms ordinary experience rough understanding language perspective ordinary phenomena inconsistent perspective inexact charitable analogous situation supposedly obtains metaphysics problem descriptive language absent language absent observations support claims revelation blamed doubting thing driving thought long time honest conclusion deity proposed religion familiar happen christian held accountable honest mistake sincerely ingles ingles umich meek earth rest stars robert heinlein 
ancient islamic rituals organization monash university melb australia lines cfaehl chris faehl writes article darice monash fred rice writes deleted point nutshell opinion marital makes likelihood extra marital probable opinion extra marital helps break partnerships leads greater divorce rates turn opinion creates trauma stable environment children opinion grow psychological problems depression marriage long harmful society drawing links marriage adultery committed marriage issue committed foisting pain spouse confident addition marriage business mine witnessed strong relationships incorporate extra marital agree assertion children children witness confusing relationships adultery stressful adults assume general expect children understand evidence opinions moment generalities cite read century percentage youth people general suffer depression steadily climbing western societies reading referred similarly detect trend greater occurrence marriage century western societies sexual revolution sexual revolution gradual weakening christianity christian moral teachings marriage propose trends greater level general depression society psychological problems greater sexual promiscuity linked prime provide evidence stage thesis reasonable request people ponder reasonable trend obesity trend depression pick favorite trends notice correlation make sweeping statement generality people valid reasonable thesis gross oversimplification push pull factors people experience argument proposal plausible argument extra marital personally truth main purpose posting show plausible argument made extra marital stage viewpoint proven plausible convince point view work researching field order gather evidence simply time note extra marital prime opinion generally greater levels psychological problems depression western societies prime prime significant contributions trend view simplistic forgotten admit factors extra marital subsequent destabilization family significant factor rise psychological problems depression western society century fred rice darice monash 
ancient islamic rituals organization monash university melb australia lines ednclark jeffrey clark writes cfaehl chris faehl writes reasonable trend obesity trend depression pick favorite trends notice correlation make sweeping statement generality people valid reasonable thesis gross oversimplification push pull factors people experience basically social interactions changing factors society complicated control hold panic handles hope heading soft landing things depression destruction nuclear family solely marriage note depression destruction nuclear family solely extra marital specifically prime prime recognize factors extra marital subsequent destabilization family significant factor rise psychological problems including depression west century fred rice darice monash 
allowed marriage rationality islamic marriage organization monash university melb australia lines lucio lucio writes darice monash fred rice writes point view argument sexism simply hold give permitting woman temporarily leave pregnancy allowed sexist women fact sexist completely support fred exasperating sexism racialism form discrimination obvious physical cultural differences deny portion population rights context holds water whatsoever discrimination denying maternity leave fact convinced experiment male pregnancy future father leave medical grounds argued weeks women physically physiologically psychologically recent evidence statement present book brainsex anne moir david jessel recommend find copy read book overview recent scientific research topic referenced women ways adequately account areas taking account ways women maternity leave takes account women pregnant give women rules give treat women treats instance unjust simply obvious women intrinsically people make naive argument sexism oppression maternity leave sexist pregnant access leave women extent degree sexist matter pregnant maternity leave sexist access maternity leave matter hard pregnant hope clear maternity leave sexist sexism reflects sexism nature making women differences women subtle pregnancy find recommend book brainsex point pregnant fallacious pregnant biologically women womb factors required pregnancy wrapped definition woman argument examined fallacious sexist maternity leave privilege women women supports statement maternity leave sexist discrimination woman denied opportunities legally determined sexual inferiorities understand religious sexual discrimination doubt islam exceptional female allowed priestly caste general subjugated aspirations rights equal human entitled official priesthood islam function islamic scholars female islamic scholars female islamic scholars existed islam early islamic history prophet widow aisha recognized time recognized time islamic scholar matter sweetly coat part role religions historically served function oppressing female forcing procreate extent opportunity improvement denying access facilities males offered evidence blanket statement religions dispute women islam recently reposted heading islam women news site suggest read reposted religion islam disappeared atheism religion islam forgot original title email roman catholic church blatant culprit istitutionalised celibate clergy religious woman attempt escape role child bearer wrath descends statement religions statement based simply lack knowledge religions christianity judaism accept affirmation islam grants women rights show muslim woman aspire position khomeini artificial religious social obstacles path achieve aisha mentioned earlier islamic scholar stage military leader show equivalent hillary rhodam clinton islam discussing issue prophet wife died hijra prophet journey mecca medina successful businesswoman lucio make strong case viewpoint viewpoint based ignorance world religions fred rice darice monash 
ancient islamic rituals organization monash university melb australia lines benedikt rosenau writes article darice monash fred rice writes discussion pros cons marriage personally part lasting partnerships women helps provide stable secure environment children grow deletion addition chris faehl post homosexuals islamic viewpoint homosexuality norm society islamic viewpoint homosexuality research fred rice darice monash 
benediktine metaphysics organization university michigan engineering arbor lines distribution world nntp posting host agar engin umich article mangoe charley wingate writes benedikt rosenau writes great authority contradictory exist contradictory property language correct things defined contradictory language exist object definitions reality amend things contradictory language exist plainly false failures description failures description description object time euclidean square euclidean circle hold object satisfying description exist description inconsistent describes object exist suppose pointed bicycle object time euclidean square euclidean circle bicycle exist measn description incorrectly applied atheist descriptions presented contradictory describe exist position gather exists descriptions atheists presented simply descriptions roughly analogous bicycle description people claim told euclidean circle square blamed doubting strongly bicycle exists objectivist remember kidding sincerely ingles ingles umich meek earth rest stars robert heinlein 
islamic authority women cwru keith ryan organization case western reserve university nntp posting host student cwru lines article simon warwick simon clippingdale writes arrived asked bobby real betcha atheism rest assured worse pearls wisdom bobby reproduce keith keeping file stuff misplaced diskette couple months efforts bobby replenished quickly recent favorite satan angels freewill tells mozumder satan angels freewill tells mozumder 
visit jehovah witnesses good grief cwru keith ryan organization case western reserve university nntp posting host student cwru lines article mangoe charley wingate writes amount energy spent lousy syllogism volumes true position reason group agree spend energy nonexistance satan angels freewill tells mozumder 
homosexuality princeton article srvr psosqinn distribution world organization university michigan engineering arbor lines nntp posting host wormwood engin umich bill clear good evolutionary arguments homosexuality qualify article osrhe bill conner writes wainwright eczcaw nott wrote deletions homosexuality evolutionary function deletions time woman intend produce children world overpopulated monty python song sperm sacred purpose means limit population growth arguement natural context talking evolutionary function basic requirements evolution members species procreate purpose context guess social insects ants bees breeding queen passel sterile workers days true people decide children able choose arguement lifestyle decision arguement homosexuals choose reproduce akin people decide children unnatural sequitur evolutionary function exists procreation recreation incidental homosexuals procreate means recreation serve evolutionary purpose refer bonobos species primate closeley related humans chimpanzees closely time homosexual heterosexual group finds food sleep night escape fight prdators serves important social function reproduction species species closely related humans indication performs social function humans shows function impossible sincerely ingles ingles umich meek earth rest stars robert heinlein 
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rushdie islamic cwru keith ryan organization case western reserve university nntp posting host student cwru lines article darice monash fred rice writes clarify muslims muslim general calls muslim outwardly profess clear contradiction essential teachings islam considered muslim things contrary islam ignorance suddenly muslim knowingly transgresses islamic teachings essential principles leave islam bobby decide islam posting zlumber muslim evil muslin evil evil suffering temporary athiesm members claim muslims stories straight satan angels freewill tells mozumder 
request support cwru keith ryan organization case western reserve university nntp posting host student cwru lines article david wood writes respond articles include similar answer questions posed charley challenges agreed satan angels freewill tells mozumder 
bill conner cwru keith ryan organization case western reserve university nntp posting host student cwru lines article osrhe bill conner writes explain pertains position statement typing practice relates bill explain pertains position statement typing practice satan angels freewill tells mozumder 
motss princeton axes matching funds scouts organization florida state university computer science department reply mayne lines article jvigneau ulowell vigneau writes taught tolerance thought gays faries taught antibigot give testimonial experience scout back issue gays principles testimonial stan krieger kind discussion belong intolerance acceptable position scouting notice hijacked religious core values survived spite leadership scouts scouts testimonial reminds scouting worth fighting cautionary note realize experience camp leader putting risk publicizing word leak gestapo bill mayne 
motss princeton axes matching funds scouts nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines wainwright eczcaw nott wrote thought homophobe word rallies beleive real people agree term definition homophobe actively militantly attacks homosexuals latent homosexual hostility conceal true orientation disapproves condemns homosexuality homophobe implication clear necessarily follow latent homosexuals bisexual crap crap crap crap crap definition type phobe phobia irrational fear homophobe meetings word apparently general bible wouldst thou prefer communicate thou bilespeak arachnophobe irrational fear spider agoraphobe irrational fear wide open space understand english phobia react avoid strike gaybashings occur natural processes people definately homophobia people violence taking issue remarks parenthetical mine homosexuality evolutionary function limiting population growth evolution occurs members generation pass traits subsequent generations homosexuality evolutionary deadend usage term homophobe sense intend homosexual evolution species time woman intend produce children world overpopulated monty python song sperm sacred purpose means limit population growth arguement natural context talking evolutionary function basic requirements evolution members species procreate purpose context point offspring generation survive participation parents family exist homosexuals reproduce constitute family majority humankind part family homosexuality evolutionary abberation contrary nature true arguements homosexuals vanished years procreation parent single parent families babies cold arguement argument homosexuality genetically determined point prove idea context means talking evolution preservation species fundamental premise process worse overwhelming majority people prefer heterosexual relationship homosexuality social abberation homosexual eschews biological imperative reproduce social imperative form participate fundamental social element family wait read expect children family growing days procreation admittedly pleasure pill condom days chance producing children days true people decide children able choose arguement lifestyle decision arguement homosexuals choose reproduce akin people decide children unnatural sequitur evolutionary function exists procreation recreation incidental homosexuals procreate means recreation serve evolutionary purpose homosexuals closet convinced policy makers civil rights claiming sexuality preference life style orientation choice protected homosexuality mere choice contrary nature anti social perverse choice credibility prominent people people people live life fancy date pretty obvious dodge feel obligated respond statement telling demonstrating arguments practice homosexuality providing alternate lifestlye homophobic call perverse context atheist understand realize dangerously close establishing atheists compelled object basis consistent case regard characterize opposition homosexuality homophobic ignore compelling arguments legitimization homosexual life style charge intended intimidate demogoguery fact persuasive arguments suppressing homosexuality start crap arguments based outdated ideals likewise bible honest christian condemn generations spawned bastard eternal damnation crushes penis accidently deuteronomy comment pertains disguised mention ideals dated arguments reactionary contribute homosexuals excluded participation scouting reasons restrict teaching logic homosexuals deviates social biological adult role model child incumbent parent ensure child isolated child harm case harm means primarily social extended easily show describe normal puma baseball meat poison pick single point find offensive explain objections discuss issue intelligibly bill 
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gospel dating cwru keith ryan organization case western reserve university nntp posting host student cwru lines article osrhe bill conner writes keith ryan cwru wrote wild fanciful claims require greater evidence state books room blue evidence claim headed leapard male lover leotard keith issue truth consequences proposition argued irrelevent issue consequences true truth irrelevent disagree proposition amount evidence support miriad factors individual require levels evidence pointed history important fussr comrade states owns pairs blue jeans evidence lived united states time statement raise eyebrow individual wear business suits degree effect world strength claim determine amount evidence determining level evidence relevent consequences proposition consequences proposition irrelvent explain accept electro magnetic force attraction charged particles inversely proportional cube distance remember consequences relevent experimental evidence disproof consequences incongruency state affairs incongruency natural irrelevent theorizing truth consequences proposition irrelvent including consequence contradiction contradiction state affiars able judge true find truth truth define inserting conversation explain truth truth truth possibly find concept meaningless satan angels freewill tells mozumder 
morality constant biblical rape cwru keith ryan organization case western reserve university nntp posting host student cwru lines article osrhe bill conner writes couple things post thread confusing atheist things understood processes nature exclusively recourse divnity describe explain purpose direction event required physics chemistry biology random determnined posts fallacies respond abolishment divinity requires elimination freewill shown attempted existance omniscience eliminate freewill mortals posted months able refute give reasonable reasons satan angels freewill tells mozumder 
gospel dating benedikt rosenau organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article mangoe charley wingate writes deletion evidence cynics group accept foundation religion claims risen jesus back period believer discounted group ancients choose dismiss thing metaphysical relationship agree argued length means evidence cookies charlie claims jesus discredited extraordinary claims match evidence case gospels agree jesus zillions spook stories religious context evidence resurrection elaborate arguments made passed post filtering interpret extraordinary claims claim statement speaker accept evidence matter evidence strict meaning actual evidence part claims charlie invisible pink unicorns standards evidence ipus benedikt 
contradictions cwru keith ryan organization case western reserve university nntp posting host student cwru lines article yoder stuart yoder writes universe theists understand inside universe universe places universe subtract ability interact inside universe inside universe impose rules physics universe things universe ability interact inside universe interact inside universe basis whatsoever positive knowledge corrallary negation contridict complete model physical rules governing inside universe expect contradictory events destroy fabric modern physics hand notion omnipotent omniscient infinitely benevolent subject physical laws attempt explain describing measurement measurement means measurable effect reality interact ergo irrelevant measure measurement means measurable effect reality measurable effect reality basis whatsoever corrallary negation contradict satan angels freewill tells mozumder 
ontology benediktine metaphysics organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article mangoe charley wingate writes contradictory exist contradictory property language correct things defined contradictory language exist correct stands object definitions reality amend things contradictory language exist plainly false failures description failures description miss point things defined contradictory language exist existing meant conclusions drawn description wrong possibility find draw conclusions direct knowledge possibility drop contradictory part implies trust concept presented doubt source objectivist remember things directly sensed includes form modelling modelling contradictive modelling approved remain question contradictory sensed contradictory important point manages resolve contradictions forced refer contradictory part drawing conclusions fall garbage garbage trap benedikt 
inimitable rushdie organization decision support lines nntp posting host dsinc references deleted move thread article jaeger gregg jaeger writes article perry perry writes rushdie understand muslim fact british citizen preclude muslim rushdie atheist local terminology words mouth time writing time fatwa february born muslim fairly muslim explicitly renounces islam explicitly renounced islam extreme doubt existence muslim legal intellectual issue islam simply muslim accept charge apostacy adult life affirmed belief affirmed apostasized islam states coercion matters religion muslims respect horrified idea belong faith purely virtue birth person freely chose muslim death salman rushdie good faith satan paradise hell vanished fifteenth year abruptly lost faith prove found atheism bought tasteless sandwich partook time forbidden flesh swine thunderbolt arrived strike thought wholly seculat person salman rushdie trust rushdie affair discredited islam eyes khomeini fanatics fringe elements religions apparently moderate muslims participated refused distance witch hunt rushdie true khomenei motivations irrelevant issue fact matter rushdie made false statements fiction line fact fiction life mohammad functional illiterate absolutely conception nature thing accept reluctantly mobs pakistan presented fictional dream demented character wildest stretch imagination considered reflection actual mohammad worse present mahound mohammed character worse light secular histories islam lewd misrepresentation life wives people rush defense considered absolute fool writings satanic verses hold back considered apostate blasphemer writing satanic verses people accepted propagandistic version contained book find single muslim convinced read book initially claimed shown knowledge book superficial newsweek story impart made factual misstatements events book understand reasons origin concept satanic verses penguin paperback rafiq zakariyah called mohammad quran counter proposal suggest viking hardcover salman rushdie called satanic verses understand perry perry decision support matthews opinions nominal 
visit jehovah witnesses nntp posting host crchh organization lines article jbrown writes article mukesh ileaf mukesh prasad writes article jbrown writes article strat steve davis writes bskendig brian kendig writes earth evil satan rules guess witness bothered implying satan omniscient tricking satan knowing statement show beliefs contradictary satan omniscient hold dominion earth christian theology note confused theology standard theologies created satan orthodox christian theology states created lucifer satan angels wanted beings celebrate glorify existence life whys wherefores motivations creating angels issue christian theology created lucifer perfect nature gave angels free moral lucifer high angel highest great authority greatness caused begin pride desire equal greater forgot place created exalted evil entered creation story lucifer refused commanded lucifer devoted yeah genesis snake snake talking legs time pointing contradictions stories show error theology supernatural entity kicked humans paradise fruit gave special powers respond reason logic brian 
ancient islamic rituals nntp posting host crchh organization lines article darice monash fred rice writes discussion pros cons marriage evidence opinions moment generalities cite read century percentage youth people general suffer depression steadily climbing western societies reading referred similarly detect trend greater occurrence marriage century western societies sexual revolution sexual revolution gradual weakening christianity christian moral teachings marriage propose trends greater level general depression society psychological problems greater sexual promiscuity linked prime provide evidence stage thesis reasonable request people ponder fred rice darice monash leap depression depression promiscuity decline depression reasonable depression promiscuity depression emotional problems relationships family friends promiscuity escape marriage civil religious bond emotional bond problem marriage long commitment devotion expected married couple opinion brian 
yeah organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article mangoe charley wingate writes revelation thing charley talking intellectual engagement revelation risk takes rational intellectual madness qualify intellectual engagement people concept metaphysical religious knowledge contradictive objectivist impressed problems conceptualization problem case explain quantum mechanics relativity terms ordinary experience rough understanding language perspective ordinary phenomena inconsistent perspective inexact charitable science mathematics representation natural language supposed replace elaborate representation mathematical terminology supposed truth opposed representation gods religions ordinary language admittedly religion fancy side effect inept representations eternal hassles religions making experiments lead results agreed similar show similar religion analogous situation supposedly obtains metaphysics problem descriptive language effect models presented useless argue reason metaphysics flourish makes statements verified falsified showing bogus case holds reliable information show establish word reliable essentially meaningless context show reliability determined read posts reliability acheived determined benedikt 
rushdie islamic organization monash university melb australia lines robert knowles writes date fred rice livesey livesey writes british blowing skyscrapers implying person accused blowing islamic teachings blowing world trade centre building blown make comments person accused innocent proven guilty remember holes accusation read instance blow building back claim deposit back incredibly stupid salamen uneducated muslims hear apparently smart sophisticated bomb doesn salameh person involved fellow chemical engineer working allied signal specifically studied explosive devices school radical muslim types study things universities price freedom read fellow told salameh phone bomb supposedly sort sophisticated type assume complicated sophisticated bomb instructions phone brains expect attacks threats mosques muslims united states consequence accusation read happening live heard mosque attacks mosques houston texas verify great jewish media conspiracy keeping knowing heard mosque attacks desert storm venture quiet localized jersey read article australian muslim times newspaper weekly australian muslim community true muslims based north america posting elaborate islamic teachings teach harming innocent explicitly teaches harming innocents times blowing harming innocents blatant contradiction islamic teachings means absolutely plenty people commit violence valid religious principles people post things koran misinterpreted explanation uneducated muslim harm idolators unbelievers thing muslim muslim islam teaches harming innocents supposed word consequence allah strike alleged violence occurs muslims commit violent hides verses koran pretty trick doubt trials defense muslim islam teaches harm innocent people killed innocent bomb honor remember muslim allah powerful allah allowed insulting religion great defense admit incredibly stupid violent muslims world stop hiding fact good deny makes reasonable muslims protecting deny fact thrust argument salameh innocent found guilty court guilt established wrong people make postings based assumption islam teaches harm innocents muslims realized islam teaches perform actions teachings islam spite contradiction teachings islam important distinction clarify muslims muslim general calls muslim outwardly profess clear contradiction essential teachings islam considered muslim things contrary islam ignorance suddenly muslim knowingly transgresses islamic teachings essential principles leave islam term muslim contrasted means true believer muslim reality person find term muslims atheism true believer putting show reality opposite write knowing muslims outwardly profess follow islam practice ignorance transgress islamic teachings muslim necessarily true believer islam fred rice darice monash 
gospel dating reply mangoe message organization software engineering institute lines mangoe charley wingate writes david wood writes extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence high falutin making meta argument case wrong invisible pink unicorns existence jesus extradinary claim responding historical accuracy biblical claims existence jesus mentioned post complain miracles attributed constitute claims argue issue wrong issue back read context included post kindness responding questions answer charley challenges claim variety dishonest dodge feel fools person dave wood 
thing reply mangoe message organization software engineering institute lines mangoe charley wingate writes keith ryan writes ignore criticism logic incongruenties stance answer questions validity opinion facts state start response reason continue argue version position argued version position included charley challenges claim flat week claimed answer challenges turned included text context included articles contradiction makings entry challenges post bloody thing written related thread pleased post back position forgotten leave electronic paper trail usual theist approach matter times argument disproven shown applicable sequitur cropping time time speaking sequiturs sauce goose disproof fallacies repeated nature argument posted recently change subject finish thread question begin dave wood 
periodic post charley challenges additions david wood organization software engineering institute lines version challenge addendum summarizing charley responses date posting made periodically attempt encourage charley wingate address direct challenges evidently specious claims continue post periodically answers publicly answer stops posting atheism atheism community tells stop totally bored apologize juvenile nature approach loss figure crack intransigence intellectual dishonesty post charley notice failed provide answers substantive questions raised response previous posts submit answer answer running afoul logic challenge prove wrong make task easy present concise statements questions failed answer hope address time fail answer reasonable time period post article suitable additions deletions time notice post topic repeat procedure address outstanding challenges cease post newsgroup apologize advance answered questions previously answer missed notice kind post mail articles pleased publicly rescind challenge question remove list questions claiming atheists neat psychological patterns proposed semi retracting claim stating referring atheists asked atheists feel patterns show referring atheists aware failed question posters stereotype context question true board line assuming deleted text imply experience lines make implications repeatedly approach issue viewpoint atheists patterns theorize umbrage statements effect senses reason pressed implied alternative called revelation repeatedly asked explain revelation experience interpret revelation senses reason failed question explain revelation experience interpret senses inherent reasoning context question revelation reason revelation reasoning show revelation exists revelation perceived senses perceived webster revelation revealing communicating divine truth thing revealed communicated senses interpret revelation reason brain interpret sensing human interface universe senses interpreted reason brain simple truth mechanism interface means share escape fact entire interface universe senses reason period indefensible simple truth challenge show mystics agree assertion common defense redefining senses absorb instance mystical experiences begs question senses broadest definition senses make things easier show mystical experiences exist remember allowed testimony mystics dismissed testimony unreliable tainted bias mystical thingies absorbed show evidence human recognize respond short interpretation person reasoning capabilities challenge show things give fight reiterate explained interpretation experiences attacked point fact specifically challenged explain revelation stuff talking note record declined challenge sensed interpreted sensing interpretation occur conduit senses reasoning abilities answered questions straight heart claims answer claims specious stated claims dispassionate analysis made posters unverifiable fantastical asked identify claim made failed question made claims unverifiable fantastical repeat context question david wood sensitive intelligent wrong posting likewise reference unverifiable fantastical claims represents fairly accurately reaction claims dispassionate analysis repeated group give address pleased send dictionary failing claim made sense unverifiable fantastical demand retract statement offer evidence follow usual pattern ignoring challenge simply asshole dismissed claims atheists atheists result reason stated accepted axioms reason atheist asked explain contradiction response statement question incoherent opinion shared asked atheist theist failed answer question question retract claim posters atheists result reason testimony effect retract claim retract subsequent claim acceptance axioms reason inevitably result atheism context question quote bunch people claim position based reason atheists prove quote accept axioms atheistic point view claimed answer challenges contained included text previous posts implied respond putting words mouth clarify contradiction question prefer respond challenges include context posts paraphrase positions order avoid included text context question ordinary rules read articles lines articles included text screen rules morality practicality argue version position argued usual responses awaited anticipation dave wood record compilation charley responses challenges date makes sense appearance utter incoherence answering question wood imagination wood subscribe opinion gauntlet thrown requires response whatsoever point read respond article ordinary rules read articles lines articles included text screen rules morality practicality left respond utmost list things avoid arguments arguments meta arguments call start response reason continue argue version position argued 
organization california institute technology pasadena nntp posting host punisher caltech lines halat bears halat writes objective morality exist flavors morality approximations natural objective morality fairly easily defined long goal mind purpose morality objective morality oxymoron definition goal oriented issue subjective nature word objective goal subjective instance goal natural morality propogation species intelligent animals revisions intelligent animals morality suited complicated jungle actualization subjective objectivity assuming ideals system carried completely keith 
request support organization software engineering institute lines request charley wingate respond charley challenges judging mail clear wingate intends continue post tangential unrelated articles ingoring challenges postings challenges noted dozen posts wingate answered single challenge unmistakable wingate hopes questions level change subject common theist tactic suggest impress desire answers manner ignore future articles wingate address challenges answers explictly announces refuses respond articles include similar answer questions posed charley challenges humiliate honest answers honesty devout christian nevermind rhetorical question dave wood 
gospel dating organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article mangoe charley wingate writes assuming presenting accurately argument leads firm conclusion material john referred granted similarity matt luke material relationship john straight jesus mouth argument john codified version logia original assuming weaknesses john original referred text logia codified version place argument firm conclusion fits dating gospels talking date texts authors usual explanation time order mark matthew luke respective ages matthew read text mark luke matthew mark version usual theory heard matthew luke independently relying mark luke relied matthew grating inconsistencies geneologies thing necessarily luke trusted version knew version matthew improving matthew give motive instance theory luke matthew based statistical analysis texts assumed john knew content luke text evidence overwhelming admittedly part point reference grateful source hope german good info hand late early possibly shed doubt order putting john rest closes supposed writing existing copy quit original copies written survival probable copies change dating john john disciple generally accepted style language theology counterargument impressed theology argument pointing pointed earlier make arguments peter reason accept authentic letter possibilities evidence authencity letters discussed conclusions drawn dogmas churches fall step generation removed times compare reports similar events century illiterate societies analogy reporters talking participants newsletter political party reporting meeting necessarily wrong words original mark arguments based mark pretty weak statement divinity section case agreed important epistles predate mark accuracy tradition problem question letters paul predating mark claiming divinity jesus benedikt 
americans evolution organization massachvsetts institvte technology lines distribution world nntp posting host thnext article benedikt rosenau writes article bobs robert singleton writes deletion argue statement gods exist rest faith making positive statement gods exist strong atheism weak atheism exist maintain position reading faqs strong atheism requires faith view driving requires faith drives requires faith part drives drive fact driven require faith belief senses give accurate representation evidence existence existence conclusion faith premises argument remain skeptical conclusion evidence correct lack evidence existence evidence existence creationist similar mode argumentation disprove evolution establish creation personally neutrino exist pink unicorn analogy breaks naive scientific theory explains appearance animal life evolution draw conclusion pink unicorns exist conclusion foundation observation theory pink unicorn exist qualitatively similar entities good evidence life earth evolved primitive ancestors pink unicorns share common anscestory horses zebras correspondence physical frame work observation draw conclusions language problem faith existence christian maintain exist exist means space time kierkegaard exist eternal feel pointless debate called existence source ground exist accept statement things phrase existence usual sense sense clarification existence word game disagree profoundly defined existence fact defined subject relevant back existence waste time existence replace implying case definition argument incomplete making fallacy wrong categories misunderstand making argument offering definition fallacy convince rests faith inappropriate apply category logic realm tells logically prove evidence logic disprove claims fine incomplete argument fallacy things wrong deletion prove exist exist opinion based observation observtions refering observations valid establishing positive belief deletion follow observations based assumption exists follow make observations things existed maintain observation infer exist positive assertion requires leap level definition assumption meaningful reject concept evidence meaningful level completely misunderstand evidence meaningful level response gave naturally people private conception throat arguing thing make positive assertion principle evidence requires leap requires faith theist form atheism respect founded honesty benedikt singleton bobs 
albert sabin nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines joel hanes amdahl wrote connor assertion complex paleontology simply incorrect lineages structures lost snakes lost legs cave fish lost eyes species completely lost males kiwis descended birds functional wings joel statements made illustrative inescapably anthrpomorphic quality desciption evolutionary process evolution explained terms teleological point reason understand evolution biologists instance tend personify nature limits language nature nature bill 
gospel dating nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines keith ryan cwru wrote wild fanciful claims require greater evidence state books room blue evidence claim headed leapard male lover leotard keith issue truth consequences proposition argued irrelevent issue consequences true truth irrelevent bill 
gospel dating nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines perry perry wrote bible true atheism mistaken pretty obvious socrates gods true monotheism atheism mistaken socrates existed late discussion part began benedikt questioning historical acuuracy making point standards validate secular history discredit history virtually century bible true speaks existence fact objection history statement atheism bill 
omni nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines charley wingate mangoe wrote enlighten omnipotence contradictory definition occur universe governed rules nature break allowed rules omnipotence exist contradicts rules nature omnipotent change rules definition defined omnipotence rules nature existant define nature hear thoughts question bill 
knew nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines prudenti juniata wrote arriving home joseph advantage mary speak word mary highly religious follower decided impregnated trustworthy honorable soul believed jesus child born violence dave explain purpose post imagine thougt meant bill 
allah akbar praise lord nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines maddi hausmann madhaus wrote lord bill connor returned straight happy lexus wipes rain slick curve rest straighten time limited maddi glad visit stay long time shopping bill 
dear theist nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines pixie bgsu wrote problems technology caused types made things worse reminded inquisition operation rescue klux klan posse comitatus club david duke salem witch trials crusades bashings virtually single level technology theistic organizations cheering carnage chaplains claiming favor ordeal forget pray troops tedious thing happened malefactors influence religion pretty general opinion atheists dishonest stick facts accomplished interpret correctly bill 
morality constant biblical rape nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines perry perry wrote xenophobia facto jure implemented legal systems widespread bible egalitarian specifically preaches kindness stranger emphasizes book ruth foreigner join nation give rise great heroes nation alternative american strikes strange story considered issue couple things post thread confusing atheist things understood processes nature exclusively recourse divnity describe explain purpose direction event required physics chemistry biology random determnined include human intelligence products requiring life evolve acquire intelligence happy accident atheist event preferred naturalistic sense thought event products intelligence acquired environment teaching training observation experience significant individual mind reside mental processes images produce electrical activity content consequence human mind response natural forces water running hill atheist judge basis criticizing values ennumerated bible purposes imputed grounds behavior reliogious condemned judging values motivate action standard conduct measured nature serve purpose nature invoke establish values event exclusively physical event difference possibly make religious meaning gradation atheist object behaviour admit objection subjective judgement prefaced disclaimer matter personal opinion carries weight absolute sense told people commands electrical event nervous system created emotional state mind coupled existing thought form reaction objections founded conditioned truth content intellectual landscape illusion virtual reality make rules inherent naturalistic atheism consistent accept significance human thought excluded discussion values wrong good evil participate opinion bible weight whatsoever bill 
bill conner nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines explain pertains position statement typing practice relates bill 
islam dress code women organization monash university melb australia lines benedikt rosenau writes article darice monash fred rice writes deletion people religion coming people religion existing perspectives religion tend converge truth point harm meantime converge counterfactual religions split diverge true religion core layers determine practise inhumane post supposed answer repeat religions harm people religions converge split giving disagree disagreement tolerant tolerant ideologies split giving disagree lead intolerance oppose ideologies argument argument religion points weaknesses human nature deletion women souls islam people muslims women souls admit heard view held muslims heard christians eras holding viewpoint muslims confusing christian history islamic history supposed predominant view turkish caliphate reference news women spiritual equals shown verses muslim women believing women devout women true women women patient constant women humble women give charity women fast deny women guard chastity women engage praise prepared forgiveness great reward abdullah yusuf translation quotes quote shows women spiritual equals women souls implies souls souls quote high priority interpretations approach intelligence thinking approach interpret verse women spiritual equals verse imply women souls make sense soul forgiven great reward understood life usual answer case part prepared forgiveness great reward souls makes sense things souls forgiven idea soul quote high priority interpretations thinking approach give verses equal priority muslim belief revelation fact denying truth part sufficient considered disbeliever islam similar post quran encourage slavery justified forbids puts slavery sequitur approach intelligence thought fashion understand quran message book finite length explicitly answer question teachings guide women spiritual equals unambiguously implied verse women forgiven rewarded souls verse understand teach ways misinterpreted ignoring passage passage misinterpretations based ignoring verse verse infinite interpretations fully consistent limited discuss interpretations consistent text people ignore showing people twist islam ends deny reflection true teachings islam whatsoever fred rice darice monash 
slavery allowed marriage organization monash university melb australia lines guncer selim guncer writes bernard lewis writes label zionist discredit misrepresent selim hard evidence statements lack objectivity presented book orientalism edward edward christian muslim pretty objective treatment race slavery middle east distinguishes slavery islam practice slavery countries prior civil conceal verses quran promote liberation slaves doesn deduce verses slavery eventually abolished islamic countries conveniently blame practice slavery muslims facts fail relevance claim lewis zionist wrote bernard lewis zionist political motive giving misrepresentations half truths islam read orientalism edward evidence fact post long encyclopaedic information access slavery abolished dates years muhammed tensions ottoman empire arab slave traders government library volumes british documents slavery reports documents slavery world found checked incidents lewis mentions political stance documentary evidence read lewis article comment directly spoken writings general political motives make biased writer islam anti islamic polemics understand subtle based telling half truths read orientalism edward trust fact urging book book check evidence issue raised slaves sexual purposes claimed islam prohibits extra marital wrote prophet concubines wrote incident prophet advised concubine pregnant contrary notion procreation words claims baseless quran hadith slavery reality opposed practice muslims opposed islam slaves sexual purposes necessarily opposed unsuccesful islam advocating slavery slavery existing institution century advised slaves freed good deeds cultures good thing problem argue rightfully slaves discouraged thinking statuses politically quran rewards good slave obey master free understandable communicate muslims assume quran rule based system imposed society preservation status slaves part system subordination women function society boils child making part system understand point view selim points repeat answered women made posting posting subject showing islam anti woman completely ignoring postings missing reposted good title islam women reposted religion islam disappeared site email telling email copy excellent article imho understanding issue women islam sadly deficient slaves posting slavery made repost article wrote early year based completely numerous anic verses hadiths support point view approaches arguing historical standpoint arguing directly teachings hadiths people muslims perform action automatically action part islam opposed sunnah give concrete clarify prohibits drinking person muslim proceeds drink bottle beer islam teaches people drink beer idiot point natural author authors quran idea socio economic structure advocating experience paradigm shifts years western cultures feudal rise commerce industrial revolution rules changed status driven muslim countries misery survive heathen world muslim countries failed economically unable accumulate wealth directly uncomprimising economic rules quran fact rise islam easily modeled pyramid effect produce wealth home increase wealth conquering places judging islam capitalist terms capitalism ideology based largely assumption people maximise wealth assumption opposition islamic teachings islam capitalist pretty unthinking islam pretend capitalist capitalist islam support free market general parts capitalism opposed islam understand stopped left bare open emperialists devour capital industry poor social services education level muslim countries lowest world health statistics miserable postulate numerous reasons theory islam secularist capitalist selim give clear historical show fallacy views islam lack education power large part history islamic world powerful significant section history islamic world foremost sciences islam anti education completely absurd blame situation islam history shows conclusion false reasons situation blame muslims quran blame muslims quran selim viewpoint women islam makes question extent knowledge islam knowledgeable able judge muslims idea baseless historical facts poor utopia islamic world forefront world science stage theory muslims backwards education selim thesis anti historical conveniently overlook historical fact contradicts theory ideas derived social economic history shown stated view islam anti education contrary history convinced views makes objectively solution muslims simple crap selim taking advice facts straight work hard reverse effects years ignorance selim conviction viewpoint demonstrate ignorance islam islamic history respect muslims leaders science till viewpoint based history selim remember earlier posts apostate islam slow start thinking issues start reading postings islam ignoring fred rice darice monash 
jews hide keith organization bell northern research ottawa canada lines article livesey livesey writes article dgraham douglas graham writes poster casually trashed thousand years jewish history replied previously people germany problem pretty part jews sightseeing years thinking important part original poster killing palestinians retrospect sightseeing thing offensive originally poetic license understandable differently strong advice masud khan argue arromdee good idea homework unnecessary people formally nazis nazi party active tacit support ordinary street behaved casual anti semitism perfectly acceptable understand wrote matter hand articles thread tacit assumption original poster exhibiting casual anti semitism agreed speech relevant reading flip sentence true case charge anti semitism thrown order stifle legitimate criticism state israel outta thread doug graham dgraham opinions 
atheism frequently asked questions summary read file posting atheism keywords atheism expires distribution world organization mantis consultants cambridge supersedes lines archive atheism atheism archive modified april version atheism frequently asked questions file responses articles occur repeatedly atheism points covered covered introduction atheism advised read article posting answers intended exhaustive definitive purpose periodic postings stifle debate raise level questions covered answer feel free make point overview contents purpose newsgroup hitler atheist bible proves pascal wager occam razor good jesus exists einstein play dice worships causeless universe complex designed independent evidence bible true godel incompleteness theorem george bush atheism patriotism hell biblical contradictions wanted christian nation christian nation subject purpose newsgroup typical posting newsgroup atheism atheists organize groups discuss response things discussed including reasonable feign theism order avoid upsetting family prayer schools discrimination atheists sunday trading laws satanic child abuse myth overt atheist stay closet religious societies prey college students unwanted proselytizers religion danger society individual people atheists inevitably atheism attract evangelical christians convert readers newsgroup preached derive perverse pleasure tearing considered uninformed postings subject hitler atheist typical posting hitler atheist response adolf hitler emphatically atheist folkish minded sacred duty denomination making people stop talking superficially fulfill word desecrated orig ital gave form essence abilities destroys work declaring lord creation divine active denomination sacred duty oppose activity word deed steps confines religious community butt today acting accordance almighty creator defending fighting work lord orig ital adolf hitler mein kampf trans ralph mannheim believing make belief wrong hitler lying claimed conclude atheist subject bible proves typical posting bible response readers atheism feel bible questionable accuracy written thousands years authors recording oral tradition existed years claimed truth questionable legitimacy bible truth simply truth examined accepted readers group feel passage subject interpretation claim passage means thing thing legitimate note feeling extend books remarkable atheists theists tend ignore equally plausible religious books favour religion subject pascal wager typical posting turn incorrect lost turn incorrect hell foolish atheist response argument pascal wager flaws firstly religion follow mutually exclusive contradictory religions avoiding wrong hell problem person follower religion religion version hell statement turn incorrect lost true suppose believing wrong true punish foolishness deaths resulted people rejecting medicine favour prayer flaw argument based assumption possibilities equally comparable likelihood fact possibility close argument persuasive sadly argument convince feel intellectually honest people belief based evidence amount intuition matter cost benefit analysis formally speaking argument consists statements exists believing eternal soul exist believing consequence exist interest approaches argument view assumption consequence problem approach abstract creates information information considered invalid information theory statement information statement beneficial information gained absolute lack information violates information entropy information extracted information cost alternative approach claim assumptions problem basically assumption states christian position christian agree assumption argument collapses christian interests vacuous tautology pascal intended argument viewed biggest reason pascal wager failure omniscient believes believes wager spurn assuming cares people subject occam razor typical posting people talking occam razor response william occam formulated principle occam razor original form multiply entities unnecessarily explain supposing existence entity nowadays people refer occam razor generally express generally simplest solution relevance atheism explanations incredibly intricate complex universe result natural processes incredibly intricate complex universe created universe complexity explanations facts occam razor suggest simpler solution number argue simple solution incredibly intricate complex universe imagine option leads logically solipsism people find unacceptable subject good jesus typical posting people virtues benefits religion response preaching appreciated feel free talk religion write postings conversion theme postings belong atheism rejected atheism moderated newsgroup talk religion misc doubtless postings atheists favourite newsgroup attempt convert theists make basic claims form lengthy analogies parables aware atheists heard basic claims sole purpose parable atheists exists brings salvation post tells told subject exists typical posting personal experience prayer exists response theists personal evidence worship exists atheists personal evidence beings exist evidence varies person person wishing dismiss evidence hand people claimed kinds things abducted ufos visited ghost elvis subject einstein play dice typical posting albert einstein believed cleverer response einstein comment play dice universe quotation commonly mentioned show einstein believed christian context refers einstein refusal accept uncertainties quantum theory einstein religious background jewish christian quotation showing einstein thought spinoza reveals orderly harmony exists concerns fates actions human beings einstein unable accept quantum theory belief objective orderly reality reality subject random events dependent observer believed incomplete theory statistical interpretations theory found evidence suggests longer quote einstein appears science philosophy religion symposium published conference science philosophy religion relation democratic life york imbued ordered regularity events firmer conviction room left side ordered regularity nature rule human rule divine exists independent natural events doctrine personal interfering natural events refuted italics real sense science doctrine refuge domains scientific knowledge able foot convinced behavior part representatives religion unworthy fatal doctrine maintain clear light dark necessity lose effect mankind incalculable harm human progress struggle ethical good teachers religion stature give doctrine personal give source fear hope past vast power hands priests labors avail forces capable cultivating good true beautiful humanity difficult incomparably worthy task einstein read religous convictions systematically repeated personal denied expressed called religious unbounded admiration structure world science reveal quote albert einstein human side edited helen dukas banesh hoffman published princeton university press book immortality individual ethics exclusively human concern superhuman authority fact einstein chose christianity imply christianity false subject worships typical posting worships money power response true polytheist theists care things atheists care atheists reactions families amount worship theists subject causeless typical posting sets integers lower bound smallest member chains element causeless response real numbers greater definite lower bound smallest member true causeless imply conscious supernatural entity entity match description favoured religion subject universe complex designed typical posting presence design universe proves surely appeared chance response argument design matter dispute element design universe complexity diversity living creatures earth evidence creator advised read newsgroup talk origins insufficient space summarize sides debate conclusion scientific evidence favour called scientific creationism evidence observation theory explain complexities universe life earth origin argument design feeling existence incredibly intricate human improbable surely chance surely external intelligence directing things humans chaos deliberately human intelligence improbable surely existence mind capable fashioning entire universe complete conscious beings immeasurably approach argue favour existence creator turned applied creationist position leads familiar theme creator created universe created creator addition spiralling improbability declare creator created wrong universe introducing creator stephen hawking book history time explains theory universe closed finite extent beginning argument design stated analogy called watchmaker argument asked imagine found watch beach assume created watchmaker evolved naturally assumes watchmaker watch universe intricate complex argument universe creator watchmaker analogy suffers flaws common arguments design firstly watchmaker creates watches existing materials claimed created universe sorts creation fundamentally analogy weak watchmaker makes watches things world walked beach found nuclear reactor assume created watchmaker argument suggest multitude creators responsible part creation finally part watchmaker argument conclude watch part nature ordered stands randomness nature part argument start position universe random shows elements order watchmaker argument internally inconsistent subject independent evidence bible true typical posting events testament confirmed independent documentary evidence response writings josephus mentioned independent documentary evidence early versions josephus work thought mentioned jesus james extant version discusses john christian context scholars original mentioned jesus james passing expanded christian copyists reconstructions original text published effect information appears ecclesiastical history eusebius worthless historical material deliberate falsification wily eusebius generally acknowledged dishonest historian antiquity eusebius generally title authorship material testament biographical information jesus documented information consult frequently asked questions file newsgroup religion christian subject godel incompleteness theorem typical posting godel incompleteness theorem demonstrates impossible bible true complete response godel incompleteness theorem consistent formal system sufficiently expressive model ordinary arithmetic formulate expressions proven valid invalid true false formal system technically speaking system recursive decision procedure determining string axiom formal system essentially systems formulate liar paradox classic liar paradox sentence ordinary english sentence false note proposition undecidable formal system deduce undecidable logic theological discussions rarely defined claims godel incompleteness theorem demonstrates impossible prove disprove existence worthless isolation trivially define formal system prove existence simply existence stated axiom viewed atheists convincing proof succeed producing formal system built axioms atheists theists agree show godel incompleteness theorem holds system demonstrate impossible prove exists system prove existence generally note hypothetical formal systems actual existence formal systems abstractions frequent claim godel incompleteness theorem demonstrates religious text bible book mormon consistent universally applicable religious texts formal systems claims nonsense subject george bush atheism patriotism typical posting george bush atheists considered citizens response exchange place chicago airport robert sherman american atheist press george bush august sherman fully accredited reporter present invitation member press corps republican presidential nominee announce federal disaster relief illinois discussion turned presidential primary votes americans atheists guess pretty weak atheist community faith important surely recognize equal citizenship patriotism americans atheists atheists considered citizens considered patriots nation support sound constitutional principle separation state church support separation church state high atheists reported atheist organizations angry remarks exchange appeared boulder daily camera monday february found free enquiry magazine fall issue volume number page october sherman confrontation murnane cochairman bush quayle illinois campaign concerned lawsuit sherman filed stop community consolidated school district chicago illinois forcing grade atheist pledge allegiance flag united states nation bush phrase conversation place american atheists filed pledge allegiance lawsuit yesterday bush campaign official response filing bullshit bullshit american atheists bullshit telling official position bush campaign issue bush election american atheists wrote bush retract statement february boyden gray counsel president replied white house stationery bush substantively stood original statement wrote aware president religious supports atheism believes atheism unnecessarily encouraged supported government information contact american atheist veterans american atheist press cameron road address subject hell typical posting hell hell norway response towns called hell countries world including norway whilst information mildly amusing time hears readers atheism pretty hearing week subject biblical contradictions wanted typical posting list biblical contradictions response american atheist press publish atheist handbook detailing biblical contradictions accompanying posting atheist resources details file biblical contradictions archive server contacts file information subject christian nation typical posting religious beliefs founding fathers united states considered christian nation response based writings important founding fathers clear intended christian nation quotes influence fact ecclesiastical establishments society instances erect spiritual tyranny ruins civil authority instances upholding thrones political tyranny instance guardians liberties people rulers subvert public liberty found established clergy convenient auxiliaries government instituted secure perpetuate james madison memorial remonstrance shudder thought alluding fatal abuses grief history mankind preserved cross calamities engine grief produced john adams letter thomas jefferson history furnishes priest ridden people maintaining free civil government marks lowest grade ignorance political religious leaders avail purpose thomas jefferson baron humboldt conceive infinite father expects requires worship praise infinitely benjamin franklin articles belief acts religion subject christian nation typical posting true george washington united states sense founded christian religion response quotation fact article treaty tripoli stat treaty series article government united states america sense founded christian religion character enmity laws religion tranquility musselmen states entered hostility mehomitan nation declared parties pretext arising religious opinions produce interruption harmony existing countries text found congressional record treaty collections charles bevans treaties international agreements united states america english text treaty tripoli approved senate june ratified president john adams june recently discovered arabic version treaty lacks quotation lacks article altogether person translated arabic english joel barlow consul general algiers close friend thomas paine opponent christianity barlow made article arabic version article found hard treaty tripoli ratified longer contained quotation digest 
atheism constructing logical argument summary includes list logical fallacies keywords atheism argument fallacies logic expires distribution world organization mantis consultants cambridge supersedes lines archive atheism logic atheism archive logic modified april version constructing logical argument argument usenet general quality argument found poor article attempts provide gentle introduction logic hope improving general level debate logic science reasoning proof thinking inference concise logic analyze piece reasoning determine correct valid invalid study logic order reason correctly basic knowledge logic helpful constructing analyzing argument note claim made logic universally applicable matter open debate document explains logic decided logic tool propositions statements building blocks logical argument proposition statement true false raining today tuesday propositions asserted true denied false note technical meaning deny everyday meaning proposition meaning statement arrangement words express exists exists express proposition argument quote monty python sketch connected series statements establish definite proposition argument consists stages propositions argument continue stated called premises argument evidence reasons accepting argument conclusions premises assertions phrases phrase viewed suspicion intimidate accepting suspicious premises obvious afraid question obvious heard explanation premises derive propositions process inference inference proposition arrived basis propositions accepted forms valid inference propositions arrived inference inference inference denoted phrases implies finally arrive conclusion argument proposition affirmed basis premises inference conclusions phrases conclude conclusion stated final stage inference event premise universe beginning premise beginnings involve event premise implies beginning universe involved event inference universe inference conclusion note conclusion argument premise argument proposition called premise conclusion respect argument terms make sense isolation argument follow order conclusions stated premises stated support conclusion perfectly valid confusing recognizing argument harder recognizing premises conclusions people shower writing assertions producing describe argument statements arguments bible accurate jesus insane evil liar argument conditional statement assert premises support appears conclusion suffers number logical flaws created duty phrase duty proposition true false conclusion sentence argument finally causality important statement form interested establishing offered evidence statement argument establish truth argument explanation wrong engine start argument start wrong engine explanation traditional types argument deductive inductive deductive argument conclusive proof conclusions argument premises true conclusion true deductive argument valid invalid valid argument defined premises true conclusion true inductive argument premises provide evidence truth conclusion inductive arguments valid invalid talk worse arguments probable premises forms argument ordinary language deductive inductive concentrate moment deductive arguments viewed rigorous convincing important note fact deductive argument valid imply conclusion holds slightly counter intuitive nature implication carefully valid argument consist true propositions argument valid false propositions insects wings premise woodlice insects premise woodlice wings conclusion conclusion true argument premises false argument premises true conclusion true argument valid subtly reach true conclusion false premises fish live premise dolphins fish premise dolphins live conclusion thing reach false conclusion valid inference true premises draw truth table implication symbol denotes implication premise conclusion represent true false premise conclusion inference premises false inference valid conclusion true false premises true conclusion false inference invalid premises true inference valid conclusion true sound argument valid argument premises true sound argument arrives true conclusion careful confuse valid arguments sound arguments delve structure logical arguments require lengthy discussion linguistics philosophy simpler summarize major pitfalls avoided constructing argument pitfalls fallacies everyday english term fallacy refer mistaken beliefs faulty reasoning leads beliefs fair logic term generally refer form technically incorrect argument argument appears valid convincing purposes discussion define fallacy logical argument appears correct incorrect examined closely studying fallacies avoid misled list fallacies intended exhaustive argumentum baculum appeal force appeal force committed arguer resorts force threat force order push acceptance conclusion politicians summarized makes force threatened direct threat arguer ample proof truth bible refuse accept truth burn hell argumentum hominem argumentum hominem literally argument directed abusive variety argumentum hominem occurs disprove truth assertion arguer attacks person people making assertion invalid truth assertion depend goodness asserting atheism evil philosophy practised communists murderers court doubt cast testimony witness showing perjurer valid reducing credibility testimony witness argumentum hominem demonstrate witness testimony false conclude fall victim argumentum ignorantiam list circumstantial form argumentum hominem committed person argues opponent accept truth assertion opponent circumstances perfectly acceptable kill animals food argue happy wear leather shoes abusive charge inconsistency excuse dismissing opponent argument fallacy means rejecting conclusion argue positive discrimination thing white form argumentum hominem alleges adversary rationalizing conclusion formed selfish interests poisoning argumentum ignorantium argumentum ignorantium means argument ignorance fallacy occurs argued true simply proved false equivalently argued false proved true note assuming false proved true basic scientific principle examples bible true prove telepathy psychic phenomena exist shown proof real note fallacy apply court generally assumed innocent proven guilty scientific investigation event produce evidence occurred absence evidence validly infer event occur flood bible require enormous volume water present earth earth tenth water count frozen poles flood occurred science validly assume lack evidence occurred conclude certainty occurred argumentum misericordiam appeal pity special pleading fallacy committed arguer appeals pity sake conclusion accepted murder mother father find guilty suffering orphan argumentum populum appealing gallery appealing people commit fallacy attempt acceptance assertion appealing large group people form fallacy characterized emotive language pornography banned violence women bible true millions people mistaken fools argumentum numeram fallacy closely related argumentum populum consists asserting people support proposition proposition correct argumentum verecundiam appeal authority admiration famous support assertion isaac newton genius believed line argument completely bogus reference admitted authority field relevant discussion subject distinguish stephen hawking concluded black holes give radiation john searle concluded impossible build intelligent computer hawking physicist expect opinions black hole radiation informed searle linguist questionable qualified speak subject machine intelligence fallacy accident fallacy accident committed general rule applied case accidental circumstances rule inapplicable error made general specific christians generally dislike atheists christian dislike atheists fallacy committed moralists legalists decide moral legal question mechanically applying general rules converse accident hasty generalization fallacy reverse fallacy accident occurs forms general rule examining specific cases representative cases bakker insincere christian christians insincere sweeping generalization dicto simpliciter sweeping generalization occurs general rule applied situation features situation render rule inapplicable sweeping generalization opposite hasty generalization causa causa post ergo propter false fallacies fallacy causa causa occurs identifies event shown aspirin prayed headache disappeared cured headache fallacy post ergo propter occurs assumed event happened event soviet union collapsed taking atheism avoid atheism reasons ergo propter fallacy similar post ergo propter asserts events occur causally related leaves room factors events petitio principii fallacy occurs premises questionable conclusion reached circulus demonstrando fallacy occurs assumes premise conclusion wishes reach proposition rephrased fallacy appears valid argument homosexuals allowed hold government office government official revealed homosexual lose homosexuals hide secret open blackmail homosexuals allowed hold government office note argument circular premise conclusion argument cited reason british secret services official homosexual employees classic exists bible tells bible true word complex question fallacy interrogation fallacy presupposition classic loaded question stopped beating wife question presupposes definite answer question asked trick lawyers cross examination questions hide money stole similarly politicians loaded questions long interference affairs allowed continue chancellor plan years ruinous privatization ignoratio elenchi fallacy irrelevant conclusion consists claiming argument supports conclusion logically conclusion christian begin argue teachings christianity undoubtably true argues length christianity great people matter argues shown christian teachings true sadly fallacious arguments successful arouse emotions view supposed conclusion favourable light equivocation equivocation occurs word meanings argument affordable free software make remains free users place license make freely redistributable amphiboly amphiboly occurs premises argument ambiguous careless ungrammatical phrasing accent accent form fallacy shifting meaning case meaning changed altering parts statement emphasized speak friends speak friends fallacies composition fallacy composition conclude property shared parts apply bicycle made mass components lightweight fallacy composition conclude property number individual items shared collection items petrol pollution cars environmentally damaging buses fallacy division fallacy division opposite fallacy composition opposite exists varieties assume property thing apply parts studying rich college rich assume property collection items shared item ants destroy tree destroy tree slippery slope argument argument states event occur harmful events proof made harmful events caused event legalize marijuana legalize crack heroin nation full drug addicts welfare legalize marijuana based fallacies type fallacies fallacies occur attempts argue things similar similar examples history based faith bible form history islam based faith christianity based faith islam form christianity cats form animal based carbon chemistry dogs form animal based carbon chemistry dogs form affirmation consequent fallacy argument form implies true true understand fallacy examine truth table implication earlier denial antecedent fallacy argument form implies false false truth table implication makes clear fallacy note fallacy causa causa form implies false false fact imply problem implication invalid falseness deduce converting conditional fallacy argument form argumentum antiquitam fallacy asserting good simply argumentum novitam opposite argumentum antiquitam fallacy asserting correct simply newer argumentum crumenam fallacy believing money criterion correctness money argumentum lazarum fallacy assuming poor sounder virtuous wealthier fallacy opposite argumentum crumenam argumentum nauseam incorrect belief assertion true heard argumentum nauseum employs constant repetition asserting bifurcation referred black white fallacy bifurcation occurs presents situation alternatives fact alternatives exist exist plurium interrogationum questions fallacy occurs questioner demands simple answer complex question sequitur sequitur argument conclusion drawn premises logically connected herring fallacy committed irrelevant material introduced issue discussed attention diverted points made conclusion reification hypostatization reification occurs abstract concept treated concrete thing shifting burden proof burden proof person making assertion proposition shifting burden proof special case argumentum ignorantium fallacy putting burden proof person denies questions assertion made source fallacy assumption true proven straw straw fallacy misrepresent position attacked easily knock misrepresented position conclude original position demolished fallacy fails deal actual arguments made extended analogy fallacy extended analogy occurs suggested general rule argued fallacy assume mentioning situations argument general rule constitutes claim situations analogous fallacy explained real debate anti cryptography legislation wrong oppose breaking position odious implies supported martin luther king cryptography legislation important struggle black liberation dare quoque famous fallacy occurs action argued acceptable party performed instance randomly abusive abusive 
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amusing atheists agnostics reply nntp posting host organization kupajava east krakatoa mailer psilink lines date bake timmons bible lovers chill relax atheism funny pages material atheism denies existence logically bankrupt proof nonexistence joke sense atheism made skateboard read learn atheism tangents 
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nicknames organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article jmunch elee calpoly john munch wrote mathew remember keith tally ryan kent finn tastic sandvick cindy popsicle toes kandolf face tims simon clip theist clippendale umar reasonable khan argue strom dave buckminster fuller maddi post hausmann affectionate nickname wrongly spelled surname cheers kent sandvik sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
amusing atheists agnostics organization university nebraska omaha lines timmbake ucsb bake timmons writes atheism denies existence logically bankrupt proof nonexistence joke favorite fallacious points atheism belief deny prove exist easily nailed showing infinite number beings conceivable observed exist poster objects beings proved exist stop huge number beings identical ronald reagan trivial differences missing finger blond hair live planets reason atheists bring christians vested interest unknown beings exception fine people shoot foot mock idea classic atheist fallacy shoot foot radical muslims crusades inquisition common examples atheists bring marks religion weak fools drivel grand daddy human atrocities stalinist movement twenty million people killed leadership proudly featured atheism difference stalin stood moral position murder terrorism opposite religious movements honest killer support stalin attack viewpoint atheism supports murder violence tyrant atheist logic russians helped stalin atheists contradict point point assumes atheism relevant murdering people common assumption atheists life theists support agnostics funny reasonable sense funny existence unknowable assumption atheism arrogant pompous point atheist hold positive view exist existence positive belief strong atheism exist positive belief weak atheism negative belief thought idea life technically atheist kind calling unreasonable sets suppose person huge ideas represent capital letters people ideas exist real objects santa person believing santa idea santa notice idea means lots cases christian atheist strong atheist weak agnostic indeterminate people afraid undecided feature human nature undecided sexy trendy glamorous word inspire hate conflict blasphemous political fact unsophisticated nietzsche nonexistence darwinist humanity prefers indecision survival trait evolution drilled positions false bake timmons 
christian morality organization university illinois urbana lines bobbe robert beauchaine writes article cobb uiuc mike cobb writes bobbe robert beauchaine writes atheism based ignorance ignorance existence fall atheists pride mistake based ignorance wrong wrong fall trap mentioned wrong free time correct mistake continues supposedly proclaiming undying love eternal soul speaks volumes volumes speaks fact leaves choices trap position motivations earnestly searched years found agree presumptuous side give psychological reasoning belief beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan michael cobb raise taxes middle university illinois class programs champaign urbana bill clinton debate cobb uiuc taxes spending cuts billion dollar deficits 
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hell organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host punisher caltech article writes pitt penn state controversy deleted bringing back atheism relevance hell sufficient bitch system operator worst etiquette account knowledge permission patrick saxton pitt rate school rate city anon atheism batman trust sufficient bitch system operator atheists hell point recently messages posted address messages posted newsgroup apparent intent provoking readers group fact posts written caps makes posts suspect account irresponsibly intended user action possibility reason report posts flavor started thread posts groups user action brendan 
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morality constant biblical rape organization university oulu finland newsreader version lines bill conner osrhe wrote couple things post thread confusing atheist things understood processes nature exclusively definition include atheists invoke divine spiritual explanations makes difference claim things understood natural processes claim observations require postulate divine intervention spiritual matter humans omnipotent science science advantage theology doesn correcting nature judge delightful scientific inquiry revealing consistent simple picture universe science longer bunch separate branches particle physics psychology aspect life universe safe stern stony consciousness recourse divnity describe explain purpose direction event required physics chemistry biology random determnined determinism indeterminism philosophical question science thing superdeterministic question meaning individual human beings apparent free illusion perspective bill free include human intelligence products requiring life evolve acquire intelligence happy accident intelligence history earth species able control biosphere result numerous happy accidents genetic machinery blindly replicates preserves machinery result principle systems start replicating survive make recommended reading atheist event preferred naturalistic sense thought event perspective events things subjectively perspective nature values perspective values arise awareness subjective perspective easy assume people position eventually discover golden rule morality necessarily gift heavens fact product evolution aware sense identity helpful play roles make respect identity bill read aristotle ethica nikomakhea starters atheist judge basis criticizing values ennumerated bible purposes imputed grounds behavior reliogious condemned judging values motivate action standard conduct measured nature serve purpose nature invoke establish values lewis tells argument main reason abandoned atheism christian argument severely flawed values golden rule rational basis basic idea wanting live roots brains wired lewis real possiblity natural selection favour altruistic behaviour morality humans evolved building tools killing logical necessity evolution favour knew tools people bible reveals nicely morality early jews simple rules hold people care people nations time things jews rule empire longer simply ignore gentiles situation required morality religion born mutation meme pool event exclusively physical event difference possibly make religious meaning gradation atheist object behaviour admit objection subjective judgement prefaced disclaimer matter personal opinion carries weight absolute sense bothered read philosophy observer subjective point view existence happiness result physical event happiness observer absolutely objective sense observers subjects moral judgments lose meaning simply exist point view includes gods values personal judgments absolute truths truths exist fact people deliberately hurt manifestation fought existence social beings existence morality property humans chimps dolphins species show great care dolphins saved humans drowning good deed told people commands electrical event nervous system created emotional state mind coupled existing thought form reaction objections founded conditioned truth content intellectual landscape illusion virtual reality statement logically follow fact reason thoughts model reality senses convey reliable information solipsism logical possibility continuously mixing views subjective point view share objective point view exist observer thinker personal point view matter point view result physical events cease subjective observers point view values exist pain pleasure beauty love things inherently subjective wives submit husbands make leap faith unknown punish disagree morals morals supreme remove morals means make zombie machine single thought gave morality judge disagree fault free replace morals point giving moral system disagrees schizophrenic excluded discussion values wrong good evil participate opinion bible weight whatsoever opinion matter understand subjective opinion thing made matter credible opinion thing made bill note absolute values independent including gods subjective viewpoint point view morals petri petri pihko mathematics truth pihatie finou oulu physics rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistry game 
rushdie islamic organization boston university physics department lines article bobbe robert beauchaine writes article jaeger gregg jaeger writes article bobbe robert beauchaine writes refuting simply telling childish propaganda refuted bcci islamic bank post islamic banks tiring infantile garbage simply evaluated flesh miss full grandeur content virtue blinding atheism difficulty light head suggest making case posting time lesson debate gregg yeah begin included text vice news uunet psinntp wrldlnk usenet noticed post topic religion islam topic bcci islamic bank left mention bcci bank called bcci adapted koran rules banking bibliography bennett neil bcci adapted koran rules banking times august writes piece title implies case support position intend respect gregg questions managed include reference head firmly engaged excuse supports reason piece anti islamic slander respect titles real content article true bcci islamic bank spending time responding propaganda responding thread feel deep make statements effect propaganda false discuss issue glad real discussion providing references gregg 
amusing atheists agnostics organization simon fraser university burnaby canada lines timmbake ucsb bake timmons writes rule apples oranges extermination mongols worse stalin khan conquered people unsympathetic atrocious stalin killed millions people loved worshipped atheist state worse david koresh claimed christian 
thoughts keywords bissell organization twentieth century lines bissda lawrence bissell writes niether lunatic entire nation drawn crazy find encyclopedia volume hitler adolf people germans enamoured moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke clive retract foreskin misconception james trinity college dublin apply wire brush enlightenment geoffm brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza 
pope jewish organization twentieth century lines west stilgar writes pope jewish guess thought thing head fancy jewish headpiece remember clear clear headpiece chort nmsu source newswire vatican home genetic misfits michael gillow noted geneticist revealed unusual data working undercover vatican past years popehat advanced bone spur reveals gillow groundshaking report gillow secretly studied innermost workings vatican returning vietnam wheel chair approached scientific community theory late thing cover vatican catholic community realize leader hefting kilograms extraneous bone tissue skull notes gillow report laboratories vatican experiment tissue transplants bone marrow experiments started genetic fluke scientifically engineered bred bone transplant idea started sixties inspired doctor timothy leary transplanting deer bone cells small white rats gillow quick point assassination attempt pope john paul disappearance leary public time replace pope gillow pope replacement pope locked padded chamber butt heads male yaks fighting dominance herd victor emerges earned privilege inseminating choir boys moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke clive retract foreskin misconception james trinity college dublin apply wire brush enlightenment geoffm brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza 
free moral agency jeff clark organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article healta tammy healy writes deletion millions suffer adam pretty sick creating universe respond giving small theology lesson forgive theology major planet involved cosmic struggle great controversy betweed christ satan borrowed book title interests entire universe making decisions deletion universe created tyrannic creatures likes definitions created satan full knowledge happen including choice satan explain free omniscience happen created world concerned tyrant care fine idea possibility abuse power introduced description read part preaching benedikt 
pope jewish organization simon fraser university burnaby canada lines article west stilgar writes night watching rebroadcast jerry springer talk show heard jewel thought year racist focus show kids hatred jewish religion stuff deleted interesting scary jews killed time races homelands remain america jeruselem rest races home great battle plague revel happen jews killed interesting thing roomate catholic bible desk immediatly opened began search quoted passages john find show back heard kids quote bible justify racist claims looked quote jesus hating jews jesus curiousity piqued claim jist passage recall passage jesus condemning pharisees corrupt pharisees jewish jews jesus condemning powers nancy connor psychology undergrad opinions express simon fraser university burnaby canada 
silly question tianity reply chrisb chris blask organization change corporation mississauga ontario canada lines werdna caltech andrew tong writes mccullou wisc mark mccullough writes question attitude character egotistical proud christianity tells people humble deal pretty egotistical proud created proud people proud accomplished match accomplishments abilities compare imbecile worm earth quote pascal grumblegrumble created universe irked organizing cell globules tiny planet started thinking great awesome logic falls quick perfect insulted threatened actions lesser creature offspring shuold powerful perfect feel proud offended capable aware relationship aspect particle universe moment time simultaneously able understand action cell globule tniy planet kinda care earth amazing fact care apparently make grand sacrifices ensure happiness powerful owner universe makes great sacrifices makes great headline make sense sacrifice back gave give chris agoin west 
beleive nntp posting host crchh organization lines article smauldin antioch writes stopped believing long invention technology ahh back autotheism belong brian 
genocide caused theism evidence organization tektronix beaverton lines article frank uucp frank dwyer writes special theism general makes hazard stupidity anarchy patriotism depends religion believing gods entails promotes xenophobia genocide emphasis general correct restrict observations practiced religions lots examples mandated genocide canaanites point ordered eliminate entire race make attempt past surely present beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan 
free moral agency jeff clark organization tektronix beaverton lines article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes reason controversy post modernism issues polarities evil good artificial constructs fall closer inspection notion constant struggle evil good forces sounds metaphor people assume closer inspection info exposed ideas beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan 
ssauyet wesleyan scott sauyet writes keith caltech writes chimpanzees fight wars land chimps human keith message schneider days final words find finals christians leary atheist spokesman clandestine removed keith busy explaining fellow captives persecuted feeding resistance part viewed trouble making understand make fuss tatooed trust forehead beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan 
member nntp posting host crchh organization lines article dfuller videocart dave fuller writes started reading group today large participant daily postings section constructing logical arguments atheist turn people atheists figure people care view wrong admit possibility religious followers dont capability aboard notice alot posts bobby respond posts falls back argument answered question religion event explained human religion religion point ideal reason event argue bother upset answer blind supported factually time argument postings direct response responses postings spouted fact atheists fools evil peachy islam leave arguments islam fred rice level headed subject happy aboard abord dave fuller dfuller videocart brian 
free moral agency nntp posting host crchh organization lines article house house writes marshall kevin marshall writes healta tammy healy writes yeah destroy point millions ages suffering life answer satan made claim allowing satan chance prove brought allowing wishes individual supercede billions doubt read bible impression satan working sort cooperative arrangement read book brian 
thoughts nntp posting host crchh organization lines sold sign brian book charles manson lord lunatic liar 
thoughts organization virginia tech computer science dept blacksburg lines nntp posting host csugrad keywords bissell bissda lawrence bissell writes reasons liar people able liar people gathered gathered hearing healed call fool heal people dies runs risk dying people able liar grifters charlatans beginning civilization david copperfield messiah found plenty believers jesus claim faith healer witnessed sets niether lunatic entire nation drawn crazy doubtful fact rediculous drawn david koresh fool logical people rubbish nations crazies liars psychopaths megalomaniacs history hitler tojo mussolini khomeini qadaffi stalin papa nixon mind century koresh issue liar lunatic real thing discrete mathematics formal logic flaws logic read things note fulfilled loads prophecies psalms isaiah betrayal crucifixion bible moment time write bible written bible true tome lack external supporting evidence makes credible quote bible future back quote supporting evidence flamed mercilessly people understand christian churches life total sacrafice sake loved save inspires turn lives tuff people real christian strong persevere weight lifting guitar playing drums takes time rush christianity life church week helping poor people time units work time sports social life boxes carried boxes created weight lifting guitar playing define world total imagine total sacrafice sake involve time commitment correct tendency time units explain involove sports hehehe television kevin marshall computer science department virginia tech marshall blacksburg virginia 
genocide caused atheism organization tampere university technology computing centre lines distribution sfnet nntp posting host cwru keith ryan writes wait humans rarely reasonable contradict atheism explained logic reason contradiction atheism proves false bobby mozumder proving existence allah bobby post women islamic countries atheists killing female children personal favorite sami aario measure atom explode sunlight comprised atoms stupid minds stupid stupid eros plan outer space disclaimer agree eros 
thoughts keywords bissell organization society putting things things lines read faqs read faqs posted drivel lord liar lunatic argument false trilemma disprove liar lunatic haven eliminated possibilities mistaken misdirected misunderstood arbitrarily possibilities read good book rhetoric critical thinking lord liar lunatic discussion good argument learning read faqs constructing logical argument ignore instructions peril disobeying leaves open righteous flaming maddi hausmann madhaus centigram communications corp jose california kids home remember post professionally 
slavery allowed marriage organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines sounds nice helping smiling fluffy bunnies wake people evident history society succeeded rely goodwill unselfishness people obvious places iran greedy people society attracted positions power sounds recipe disaster historical evidence perfect utopian islamic states survive agree people people start islamic revolution create perfect state takes time internal corruption destroy ground rules cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
slavery allowed marriage organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article darice monash fred rice wrote basis apparent success islamic banks statement interest economy survive today world premature intested economical systems survive small scale islamic invention operatives working world systems stand corruption large scale operation handle human greed imho allah cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
member organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article dfuller videocart dave fuller wrote event explained human religion religion point ideal reason event argue bother upset answer blind supported factually time argument postings direct response glad constructive contributors newsgroup agree statement argue bobby eons thing spare mental resources discuss interesting issues cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
genocide caused atheism organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article frank uucp frank dwyer wrote term hero worship worshipping jesus super saver hero worshipping grand scale worshipping lenin make life pleasant working people similar understand gods defined supernatural superhuman notion lenin borderline supernatural insights change world communist gave presents kids christmas agree things relative direct mapping movement notion communist russia typical atheist country robertson tilton rest atheists true unbelievers fanatics cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
thoughts organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article bissda lawrence bissell wrote start christian makes sense read tony campollo book liar lunatic real thing title writes book part effort destroy christianity process christian understand realities liar lunatic real thing narrow view possibilities jesus message sigh religion makes mind brain filter personal scheme thinks possibilities jesus bound classical lewis notion liar lunatic saint bound christian cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
genocide caused atheism organization lines distribution world nntp posting host solntze article frank uucp frank dwyer writes article livesey livesey writes article frank uucp frank dwyer writes article livesey livesey writes forget origin quote gotta words talk atheist lacks belief gods plausible atheist lenin lennon extent considered worship atheist newspeak question regard ardent nazi republican simply germany longer kaiser based false dichotomy options present point simply divide world atheists atheists basis belief care belief supernatural deity behaviour belief supernatural criterion start talking behaviour suscept ibility people things assume worried area care sceptical critical autonomous hand gullible excitable easily tendency worship tyrants ideologies person easily worship belief supernatural hero earthly point 
thoughts organization distribution lines article compaq mccreary writes bissda lawrence bissell start christian makes sense read tony campollo book liar lunatic real thing title writes book part effort destroy christianity process christian friendly folks christian central save 
islamic genocide organization lines distribution world nntp posting host solntze article frank uucp frank dwyer writes article livesey livesey writes rate interpretation correct imply killings religously motivated original poster claim tricky tricky replying blanket claim religiously motivated aren irish catholics south kill irish protestants south precisely history killings religously motivated ignore obvious matter british occupation partition misguided patriotism sides false dichotomy claimed killing religiously motivated wrong killing religiously motivate spelled detail problems fault religious divide historical roots thing catholic country partitioned populated protestant grotesque killing soldiers civilians supposedly motivated patriotism civil rights issues revenge difficult understand insofaras insanity hard understand religion invoked explain contradiction paragraph claim killings religously motivated grotesque means church believers history face rewrite attacking claim claim terrorist plants bomb warrington motive greater glory frank quotes words posting claim longer stand original claim 
beleive organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host stein washington article smauldin antioch writes stopped believing long invention technology listen crank business true tolerated rest completely hand people stop believing relaxing mortals begging favors zeus 
genocide caused atheism organization tampere university technology computing centre lines distribution sfnet nntp posting host mozumder writes article cwru keith ryan writes state green marble closed evidence existance guilty deceit fact green marble inside question green marble inside irrelevent ahead play marbles love love love file keeping list bobby quotes include stating unproven opinion fact deceit knowingly decietful falsehood unproven opinion fact opinion accept flat earthers state earth flat fact accept unproven opinion round earthers evidence flat earthers prove exist arguments support existence weak contradictory reason absolutely ignore read interesting book fellow called daenicken proved wildest things page wrote prove based proof questionable stuff myths called circumstancial evidence atheism made kill regarded agreeable fellow sami aario measure atom explode sunlight comprised atoms stupid minds stupid stupid eros plan outer space disclaimer agree eros 
islamic authority women sender newtout lines cwru keith ryan rush stanford readers joined real simply amazed sadly loose sleep zlumber basically harmless work city find hard zlumber believes hate ignorant prattle writes frightening thought people worse feminism equals superiority laughable long proceed pick rifle start shoot women preemptive strike canada slaughter occured years killing women islamic fundamentalists excuse vancouver thursday october john davidson canadian press montreal letter year daughter shocks hope understand happened parents wrote patrick prevost loved mother passion hatred police found piece paper prevost body apartment northeast montreal year mechanic committed suicide killing wife jocelyne parent couple separated month woman apartment talk money food violent quarrel broke prevost attacked wife kitchen knife cutting throat police latest women slain husband lover quebec weeks children slain result domestic battles year quebec women slain husbands cases canada statistics canadian centre justice rest article ommited women stay home raise child laughable women traditionally hard labor support family cultures history takes adults raise child stay home maximus 
feminism islam kmagnacca wesleyan organization wesleyan university nntp posting host wesleyan lines article mozumder writes article kmagnacca wesleyan writes hadith state silence women speak judge conduct marriage actaully false hadith contradicts verses quran women testify speak judge hadiths declared false contradict quran hadiths written revelation life prophet errors false hadith true contradicts quran relates explicitly spelled quran quran written life muhammed long years long shift verses karl lastly china hope touch fulfilling lifelong ambition life dropping acid great wall duke pink floyd billion people 
years christian morality organization siemens nixdorf lines nntp posting host mchp article mandtbacka mats andtbacka writes frank uucp writes article halat bears halat writes people word objective means word morality assume idiom defined separate terms give objective morality morality built objective values objective values specific importantly motivate wild guess freedom objectively valuable base assumption world deprived utterly freedom contrary volition complain assert freedom valuable absurd assert raining rainy candidate objective condition objective morality objective values exist frank dwyer hatching odwyer hens evelyn conlon 
inimitable rushdie anecdote islam organization boston university physics department lines article darice monash fred rice writes article khan navy umar khan writes borrowed book library khomeini fatwa found passage legitimacy fatwa common knowledge prescribed islamic sentence applicable jurisdiction islamic applies sentence passed islamic court executed state machinery process islamic countries muslim lands individuals hands sentence passed carried state usual machinery individuals criminal hands punish offender process defence offender brought notice court court shoud decide deal applies equally muslim muslim territories agree fully statement precisely meant previous statements islam anarchist enforcible applicable clarification ulama islamic scholars muslims britain imam khomeini fatwa made clear islamic applicable britain hadd compulsory punishment applied disagree conclusion applicability islamic muslims conclusion strictly follow foregoing conclusion fatwa enforced islamic agree punishment applied rushdie founded islamic viewpoint khomeini fatwa constitutes criminal limb call khomeini criminal basis putting price head rushdie britain criminal islamic understood knowledgeable muslims khomeini fatwa islamically illegitimate basis expounded posted umar khan gregg jaeger punishment constituted fatwa islamic understanding gregg 
rushdie islamic nntp posting host organization lines article darice monash fred rice wrote understanding generally agreed ulema islamic scholars islamic applies islamic country hands criminal matters state individuals khomeini offered cash prize people hands understanding islamic understanding majority islamic laws legal rulings schools sunni jaffari levelled muslim muslims islam apostasy accompanied active persistent open hostility islam falls category historically apostasy rarely punished death penalty understanding khomeini ruling based apostasy rushdie apostate long wrote offending precedent hadith islamic history indiscriminantly levelling death penalties apostasy charge levelled rushdie fasad ruling applies domain islamic state carried individuals reward offered khomeini individuals iran stuff deleted muddying issue assume khomeini fatwa issued distribution book understanding khomeini fatwa issued response writing publishing book view correct viewpoint rushdie sentenced crime progress incorrect concur thrust fatwa remember levelled author assisted publication book charge fasad encompass number lesser charges remember diplomatic relations broke britain iran fatwa iran stressed condemnation author removal book circulation preliminary conditions resolving crisis correct point banning book main thrust fatwa islamic charges fasad levelled people books rushdie situation iran months issuance fatwa rushdie media blitz presenting lone knight guarding sacred values secular democracy mocking foolish concerns people crazy hold religious beliefs sacred fanning flames milking controversy boost image push book media muslim demonstrators countries killed protesting book rushdie appeared momentarily concerned climbed back media horse attack muslims defend sacred rights point fatwa fasad issued fatwa levelled person rushdie actions rushdie feed situation contribute legitimization ruling book remains circulation independant author publishers fatwa person rushdie encompasses actions crime crime progress levels played played full view media charge shatim applies rushdie encompassed umbrella fasad ruling 
rushdie islamic nntp posting host organization lines twelve imams considered incapable error khomeini supports view twelve imans heresy reasons gave happy discuss issue imams preference move discussion newsgroup feel philosophy religion group topic deeply embedded world view islam esoteric teachings prophet heresy enter islam exoteric religion nominally concerned metaphysical substance nature good introductory book fact introductory books islam general murtaza mutahhari fundamental islamic thought universe mizan press translated campbell beautiful book follow book find decent translation wilaya station master author title master mastership small book transcription lecture author introduction beautiful psalms islam translated william chittick muhammadi trust great britain excellent introduction subject books university library imagine stocked university library posts fairly versed sunni thought seek thought knowledgeable authors respect charge heresy levelled salaam laikum 
genocide caused atheism organization california state university bernardino lines nntp posting host silicon csci csusb article frank uucp frank dwyer writes article livesey livesey writes article frank uucp frank dwyer writes stuff deleted newsgroup large deal recognise happened communist russia bearing validity atheism doings sundry theists validity theism nada fallacy hominem holy book constructing logical argument making sense wrong atheist creed taught communist atheism theistic creeds instructions theists madly conflict issue lack instructions evil mathematics includes instructions evil atheism moral system speak instructions atheism simply lack belief plenty theists argue case atheism ussr validity theism genocide validity argument theist system genocide made convincingly argument atheism genocide theist systems instructions shown genocide atheist instructions null show atheism genocide david choweller davec csci csusb scores thousands human insects ready moment notice reveal subject george bernard shaw scores thousands human insects ready moment notice reveal subject george bernard shaw 
nonexistance atheists kmagnacca wesleyan organization wesleyan university nntp posting host wesleyan lines article bskendig brian kendig writes quotes deleted people idea means atheist bobby mozumder clones world thought explains things posted religion islam attached quote bobby effect atheists lying evil scum asked commonly held idea muslims response unknown guess karl lastly china hope touch fulfilling lifelong ambition life dropping acid great wall duke pink floyd billion people 
thoughts organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host stein washington keywords bissell article bissda lawrence bissell writes appears walla walla college fill role atheist allegheny college fills quayle start christian makes sense read tony campollo book liar lunatic real thing title writes book part effort destroy christianity process christian converts xtianity tendency excessively darken xtian past frequently falsely embarks effort destroy xtianity suffering deep megalomania defect cured religious conversion arguements summing book jesus listen perspective gain listening perspective perspective bwahahahahahahahah book jesus liar crazy modern koresh sigh mistaken claims insightful days statements attributed jesus made mouth authors possibilities abound surely examining question decent list alternatives task examination question destroying xtianity religious salesmanship reasons liar germans died nazism russians died proletarian dictatorship americans died make world safe democracy silly question wouldn people able liar people gathered gathered hearing healed call fool heal people performs healing niether lunatic entire nation drawn crazy hard draw entire nation crazy doubtful fact rediculous drawn david koresh fool logical people liar lunatic real thing convinced laughable logic deserves xtian things note fulfilled loads prophecies psalms isaiah betrayal crucifixion bible moment time write bother prophecies fulfilled eyes xtian apologists distort meaning isaiah books 
genocide caused atheism organization tampere university technology computing centre lines distribution sfnet nntp posting host deletions mozumder writes imagine infinite infinity mathematical concept created humans explain things applies reality world infinite able comprehend reality programmer require infinite memory reality continuous based infinietely small units units universe continuous continuum mathematical concept based infinity explain things humans infinite call numbers call endless pretty good idea infinity made concept made concepts evolved time ancient greeks understanding call allah infinitely powerful knowledgeable imagine allah imagine infinite precicely infinity applies reality sami aario measure atom explode sunlight comprised atoms stupid minds stupid stupid eros plan outer space disclaimer agree eros 
inimitable rushdie organization lines nntp posting host solntze article jaeger gregg jaeger writes article livesey livesey writes amazed find difficult grasp people justify death threats rushdie claim born muslim empty rhetoric amazed inability understand find difficult grasp people justify death threats find amazing ability abstract questions isolation falsity principles consequence abuse hate physics closer imagine despised living soviet regime purported organize society fondly imagined objective conclusions marxist dialectic hate physics long clown start control life assumption interchangeable atoms individual human beings 
satanic organization lines nntp posting host solntze article mangoe charley wingate writes jeff west writes claimed people time translate bible time couple generations ample proof agreed versions step modern translations people time copy text correctly translations present completely issues read papers qumram texts versions texts misunderstand 
note bobby organization tampere university technology computing centre lines distribution sfnet nntp posting host mozumder writes insults atheistic genocide totally unintentional atheism happen good including genocide conveniently defined theist wrong defined people wrong atheists statement circular mention bigoting sami aario measure atom explode sunlight comprised atoms stupid minds stupid stupid eros plan outer space disclaimer agree eros 
inimitable rushdie anecdote islam nntp posting host organization lines article darice monash fred rice wrote article khan navy umar khan writes stuff deleted demanding khomeini publicly clean show proof islamic punishes apostacy death tolerates similar form coversion freedom conscience schools knowledge support death sentence apostasy accompanied open persistent aggravated hostility islam agree legal support punishment disbelief makes clear belief matter conscience public private disavowal islam conversion faith punishable jurists trend insisted apostasy punishable death historically exception cursing insulting prophets falls category shatim borrowed book library khomeini fatwa lots stuff deleted analysis khomeini offering reward rushdie death fact constitutes criminal islamic post rushdie islamic 
slavery allowed marriage organization tektronix beaverton lines article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes historical evidence perfect utopian islamic states didn survive agree people people start islamic revolution create perfect state takes time internal corruption destroy ground rules perfect perpetual perfect stay forever perpetual machines exist thought laws mechanics thermodynamics stating atheist naren bala software evaluation engineer home work standard disclaimers apply 
lines article ssauyet wesleyan scott sauyet final words find finals fingers crossed fingers crossed doubt martin schulte 
years christian morality organization lines nntp posting host solntze article frank uucp frank dwyer writes wild guess freedom objectively valuable base assumption world deprived utterly freedom contrary volition complain assert freedom valuable absurd assert raining rainy candidate objective condition objective morality objective values exist personal highly subjective opinion freedom good thing people assert true freedom words messiah realise people agree meaning word word represents objective word objective meaning 
organization macalester college lines article tcbruno bruno writes leave terminal months remember depressing familiar faces counting kent recognize heard graham matthews recently degree sailed greener pastures brings point posting people atheism damnedest stay newsgroup fall fall arts startrek digress deluge inquiring minds track infamous posters atheism leave newsgroup curious guess cheers bruno people will unlimited stores unfounded respect people newsgroups mailing lists longer sympathy semi regularly posting toughto february reading threads august school newsreader months incompetent computing services bothered find feed site accepting outgoing postings track posters love leave internet adam john cooper verily laughed weaklings thought good simply acooper claws 
thoughts organization macalester college lines article bissda lawrence bissell writes start christian rest makes sense read tony campollo book liar lunatic real thing title writes book part effort destroy christianity process christian lawyer give info mind plenty responses post arguements summing book jesus listen perspective gain listening true make true cases book jesus liar crazy modern koresh reasons liar people able liar poverty stricken alunatic sounds perfecetly reasoable societal dregs followers able liar necessarily died believed makes completely selfish difference people gathered gathered hearing healed call fool heal people historical proof earlier threads deaths make healing gave niether lunatic entire nation drawn crazy sieg heil doubtful fact rediculous drawn david koresh fool logical people david koresh curious liar lunatic real thing follow definition lunatic disproof thereof uhh shaky things note fulfilled loads prophecies psalms isaiah betrayal crucifixion bible moment time write good idea people understand christian churches naturally true christians life total sacrafice sake loved save inspires turn lives tuff people real christian strong persevere weight lifting guitar playing drums takes time rush christianity life church week helping poor people time units work time sports social life boxes carried boxes created handle worth sigh adam john cooper verily laughed weaklings thought good simply acooper claws 
thoughts christians organization macalester college lines article cmtan chade meng writes sandvik apple kent sandvik writes article eric molas wrote christianity infectious cult reasons flourishes people hope driven purpose life safety blanked hide follow christian moral standard eternal happiness agree cases primitive emotional feelings based laugh hell mentalities makes religions attractive personalities agree make small point xtianity dogmatic religions attract people hope attract average people xtainity escapist doctrines absolutist attitudes great psychological shelter frustrations unhappiness fear uncertainty unknown good point average people christianity fear escapism simply improve social life involved american culture kids immigrants overwhelming major religion western world form simply choice people bored lives somethong ordinary weak long hurt buddha attractiveness religions driven fear worships sacred mountains sacred stones sacred trees buddha finds peace religion good quotes agree make alter scond includes long preventing finding peace suppose peace inflicting evangelism personally feel religion poweful psychological effect theists problem religions enormous harm believers humanity holy wars inquisitions inter religious hatred impedence science intellectual progress attitudes comments thing live lives popularity remember entered high school atheist friends time converted christianity immigrants taiwan sons immigrants earlier gross generalization christianity popular people noticing perceptions chagning perfectly live live long abstract rights agreements treat desire hurt notions arguments usenet good argumentation apply christians atheists simply step person takes naturally instinctively adam john cooper verily laughed weaklings thought good simply acooper claws unenlightened buddhism characteristics chade meng expected cosmic religion future singapore transcends personal avoids dogmas theology cmtan covers natural spiritual based religious sense aspiring experience things natural spiritual meaningful unity einstein 
organization sunselect lines distribution world reply geoff nntp posting host poori east posting provoked checking save file memorable posts captured arromdee subject atheist article question article average articles years noted current posting rate kill file depressing large posting saved early days articles notables loren llnl loren petrich jchrist israel jesus christ nazareth washington mark crispin perry perry lippard ccit arizona james lippard minsky marvin minsky interesting bunch geoff arnold architect select geoff arnold made thing great thousand years wine tear garden 
confusing words objective inherent objective system simply observer postulates system perfectly judge situation action consistent system wrong objecting goals system inherent define objective system postulates determined observer good definition objective system learn english gravity objective system learn perform experiments results person performed experiments gravity inherent system excess information observations determine objectively determine guilt innocence inherent system agree morality necessarily inherent state evolutionary basis objective theory natural morality objective system evidenced comments lions mine objective inherent noted practices related mating rituals animals considered immoral previous definitions natural revisions order class activities surrounding mating pose general problems fact postulates determined outsider sort higher truth sort objective system seens objecting notion objective system imply inherence necessitate sort grand design classified behavior animals line moral system animals commit acts rules ethics intelligent immoral define moral system code ethics basically defines undesired behaviors immoral behavior unwanted unproductive destructive depending goal system immoral keith 
natural morality specifically thought code ethics species developed order survive wait talking ethics morals distinction important countless times animal kingdom natural system basis system moral system mimic natural number ways order humans thrive live groups problem wrong highlighted word wrong humans survive long time wild difficult humans social animal success order group function effectively sort ethical code statement correct pointing species conduct serves propogate give tautology show examples moral systems goal propogation species goal natural system morality lives monagamous relationship moral order ensure propogation species impregnate women noted earlier lack mating abstinence homosexuality destructive system worst neutral matter herds horses dominate stallion mates dies killed dominate stallion mates case natural system morality shoot figurative foot mating practices reexamined keith 
chimps human chimps moral chimps system live social groups laws dictating undesired behavior keith 
explain sudden violent behavior human beings theory state human detached primitive behavior violent moralistic human correct understanding wrong bifurcation point madman killing people roof campus explain theory explains situation madmen explain output broken computer keith 
show examples provided counter examples supposed inherent moral hypothesis successfully argue domestication removes alters morality domestication change behavior large degree domesticated animals exhibit behaviors found wild viewed good representatives wild animal kingdom bred thousands years produce behaviors keith 
typed definitions note reading punishment inanimate object incapable showing mercy merciless punishment cruel missed stuff parens read definition transf transferred sense figurative things cruel samples text definition include cruell nailes plucke poore eyes puniness centre cruel frowning universe nails cruel imagine nails eyes painful imply painless death cruel supposed show keith 
years christian morality organization university illinois urbana lines david sacco writes tons mail move discussion religion feel life joke dylan happy life human game show host movie heathers lecture chur process notes professor notes student passing minds michael cobb raise taxes middle university illinois class programs champaign urbana bill clinton debate cobb uiuc taxes spending cuts billion dollar deficits 
years christian morality organization university illinois urbana lines frank uucp frank dwyer writes article rice peter walker writes article frank uucp frank dwyer wrote objective morality morality built objective values objective values measure mediated thair interaction real world moralon scalar valuino field science real world basis values round thing objective science objectively kick head simple theories accurate predictions objectively tarot cards conclusions exist place assumes objective reality frank dwyer hatching odwyer hens evelyn conlon measure truth beauty goodness love friendship trust honesty things basis objective fact limited true examples instances reason measure reason semantics michael cobb raise taxes middle university illinois class programs champaign urbana bill clinton debate cobb uiuc taxes spending cuts billion dollar deficits 
years christian morality organization university illinois urbana lines cwru keith ryan writes article frank uucp frank dwyer writes good logic good science definition great good horrible worse good defined setup subjective people agreed switch order defining unknown thing good worse good circular starts orbit earth accept bible michael cobb raise taxes middle university illinois class programs champaign urbana bill clinton debate cobb uiuc taxes spending cuts billion dollar deficits 
years christian morality organization university illinois urbana lines emarsh eric marsh writes article uiuc student writes hmm define objective morality depends talk means hair ears means stryper acceptable general principles objective morality listed places commandments sayings jesus depends trust bible depends jesus accurate copies gong moment wrote defined objective morality qualified objective morality subjective justifications error disqualified play eric explain problem based morality wrong gosh heck stuff wrong sources wrong base belief atheism knowledge reasoning wrong michael cobb raise taxes middle university illinois class programs champaign urbana bill clinton debate cobb uiuc taxes spending cuts billion dollar deficits 
islamic genocide organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines pick yugoslavia problems caused communism matter guess religious leaders calling religiously motivated fact christians carve crosses dead muslims chests land cross carvings accidental suspicious tragic situation bosnia combination ethnical religious motives religion attribute separates groups agree saga bosnia terrible case religion helping weapon humans sympathies bosnian side serbs oppressors christianity weapon friends cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
death penalty political atheists organization videocart newsreader lines death penalty conceived deterrent crime legal shenanigans added automatic appeals lengthy court battles relegated purpose small part question instate death penalty meant deters crime doubt death penalty supposed deterrent crime crime carry death penalty effictive death penalty punishment fine speeding punishment murder mind care consequences problem people dont caught wanted kill person care penalty caught strictly deterrent lines torture dave fuller dfuller videocart 
thoughts christians organization videocart newsreader lines cmtan chade meng writes personally feel religion poweful psychological effect theists problem religions enormous harm believers humanity holy wars inquisitions inter religious hatred impedence science intellectual progress attitudes comments held attempt change persons attitude lifestyle long makes happy atheists atheist knocking door stopping airport handing literature social event theists thier form happy work make sister born real thorn side entire family years finally clue period bought atheist xtian books birthday xmas times birthday cards verses problem told send sister atheist piece reading material dare religious insist send society driven religion preach religion contained crock shit finally told sister find life attractive effort convert sick religious types pampered looked worst respected atheists sight dave fuller dfuller videocart 
bible quiz organization sponsored account school computer science carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply cwru keith ryan writes mind mailing questions pairs answers love time theist door post answer nanci author quote send email coward minute dead rest life 
bible lines thing interesting athiesm fact bible thumpers duller newsgroup deluded masses write silly things athiests tear tidbit wanted write document bible religious plausable books bible written multiple authors repeatedly contradict minute tells kill talks back kill xtians follow deity pick consistent unlike invented people jesus make symbols idols crosses fact bible track jesus illiterate write honestly hope people bible understand religious texts poorer quality boot reason xtianity escaped middle east roman wine poisoned lead made rome xtian dream posting person person standing streetcorner telling people hell happy hatred snap judgements guide robots life clayton forester scientist 
contridictions good question claim general trend disprove guess show general trend claim prove cold fusion provided examples show trend general provided counterexamples surrounding mating practices cases disprove general trend natural morality mating practices reexamined find immoral mating related activities excluding mating related activities natural morality mating practices special case natural system objectively deduced goal species propogation mind equating objective system necessarily natural wrote natural moral system objective moral system animals follow natural system objective objective systems natural terms equated natural system subset objective homosexuality observed animals including birds dolphins claim animals capacity immoral claim homosexuality immoral harmful helpful mating process homosexuality observed animal kingdom bisexuality determine moral claiming group implies entity standard jargon read textbook forms goals inherent postulates determine argued arise natural goal removed postulate assume posit goals inherent create theory postulate revolves earth moon made green cheese stars portions angels intrudes dimensional reality contradict observations build mathematical proof postulate length side triangle length side triangle degree angle connecting determine length side postulate generally found true postulate valid guess people receptive order assume system able show postulates work goals survival happiness work good goals keith 
member organization salvation army draft board lines article dfuller videocart dave fuller writes started reading group today large participant daily postings section constructing logical arguments atheist turn people atheists figure people care view wrong admit possibility religious followers dont capability happy aboard dave fuller dfuller videocart official keeper list nicknames people atheism didn list awarded nickname buckminster time post article sign nickname dave buckminster fuller humor means copeland dead actor plays part sting words fear find place heart history voice reason faith curse teach freedom past things worse 
inimitable rushdie organization boston university physics department lines article arromdee arromdee writes article jaeger gregg jaeger writes judaism maddi confirmed reiterate easily leave religion time simply making public declaration lazy religion held responsible islamic countries publically renouncing islam dangerous countries necessarily practicing true islam danger remains blame failure publically renounce islam laziness opposed desire stay alive planning pull rushdie declaring leaving religion concerned compared plans rushdie case discussion tragic islamic countries islamic countries constitutions statements islamic incorporated kuwait freely make statements fear mention pointed rushdie books muslim surely readers books provide number witnesses story tiresome conditions clear care make point clear make chronology show made public statements leaving islam prior writing make statements made clear rejoin islam talking personal feelings gregg 
rushdie islamic organization boston university physics department lines article newnham leonard newnham writes gregg jaeger jaeger wrote khomenei jerk plenty british leaders basis judgement khomenei heretic standards story specific khomanei heretic jerk judged koran liking contrary teachings koran told iranian research students share office easy convenient denounce feeling views clear widely accepted suggest made clear khomeini price head country makes jerk international outlaw khomeini advocates view series twelve islamic leaders twelve imams free error makes heretic muhammad chastised error directly muhammad greatest proper islamic behavior muslim free error usual islamic viewpoints muslims case widespread agreement matters islam viewpoints issues islamic large group people back koran imprecise wording imprecise wording true interpretations interpretations words entire text makes meanings precise intelligent people free power lust agreement gregg 
rushdie islamic organization boston university physics department lines article newnham leonard newnham writes gregg jaeger jaeger wrote slightly incongruous find union jack flying city hall belfast british expensive problem majority population problem majority open mouths public alot incentive british control north channel irish waste dump appalled dumping harbor belfast understanding alot radioactivity enters water problem independence britain stopped accepting waste suggesting british industry making profit situation gregg 
rushdie islamic organization boston university physics department lines article newnham leonard newnham writes gregg jaeger jaeger wrote explain eyes carries excess baggage opinion carries baggage modern economy charging interest loans hear fundamentalist iran compromise ideal sort loans heard gregg 
rushdie islamic organization boston university physics department lines article livesey livesey writes hope islamic bank bcci ripped small depositors muslim community grow childish propagandist gregg 
inimitable rushdie organization boston university physics department lines article newnham leonard newnham writes gregg jaeger jaeger wrote western countries legal concept slightest pertinent topic british author living united kingdom protection british forgetting governments superior entities religious organizations forgive higher degenerating zumder logic governments superior entities elected people religious leaders christianity islam choice religious leaders made people superiority argument people trust make represents higher democracy democracy basic element islam learn notice called fundamentalists algeria repressed secular government free democratic elections gregg 
free moral agency lines organization walla walla college distribution lines article bobbe robert beauchaine writes bobbe robert beauchaine subject free moral agency date article healta tammy healy writes testement satan rarely mentioned bible book suffering world caught inthe crossfire innocents guilty hurt opinion hope cleared things omnipotent omniscient splainin create satan shits giggles beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan mentioned satan rarely excuse lack perfect memory omnipotence tammy soory sound cranky apoplogize feelings hurt 
note bobby lines organization walla walla college lines article mccullou wisc mark mccullough writes mccullou wisc mark mccullough subject note bobby date article darice monash fred rice writes madhaus maddi hausmann writes mark vegetarian diets problem vitamins balancing proteins vitamin obtained animal products concern vegans meat dairy eggs problem supplements vegans animal products lacto vegetarian diet dairy eggs issue original posting vegetarian diets close friends devout vegetarians vitamin supplements thinking long time read article talking special dietary vegetarians quote full numbers nice place grain rice understand brands australia places tablets grain rice enriched type basically rice soybeans heard rice thought contribute issue norm contributed programming thread earlier fred rice darice monash vegan vegetarian taht eats animal products eggs milk cheese years vegan diet start taking supplements found animals acutally bodies make bodies years lacto oveo vegetarians milk products eggs supplements post contridicting mish mash knowledge gleaned tammy 
morality instinctive moral order morality person immoral action disregard order moral immoral implies intelligence instinct action keith 
morality instinctive moral things explain instinctive acts moral acts happy listen instinctive murder order morality person immoral action disregard weaker possibility organism people talking alternatives intelligent beings moral bahavior beings mimics emphasis place intelligence animals species kill arbitarily morality animals intelligent keith 
morality expect lion kind fact evidence lions issues assign moral significance instinctive behaviour lions moral behavior null behavior work moral immoral cases morality remnant evolution moral system based concepts practiced animal kingdom basically moral undefinable term moral systems exist agree definition terms hope discuss perfectly clear moral system speak people beliefs irrelevant share discuss keith 
cruel time death penalty cruel unusual outlawed present people fellow speaks objective natural morality suppose majority decides slavery longer immoral claim system objective keith 
inimitable rushdie organization boston university physics department lines article bvickers brett vickers writes article jaeger gregg jaeger writes muslim sort fatwa issued khomeini relevant understand fear persecution share muslim rushdie behavior completely excusable fatwa issued khomeini relevant doesn live iran issued khomeini relevant issued honest learned scholar islam relevant muslim contrary islamic muslims required respect decides rushdie behavior excusable sufficiently versed islamic capable reasoning talking weak sense excuse depends sense excuse mind cares inexcusable thinks opinion important care care care gregg 
free moral agency kent lines organization walla walla college lines article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes sandvik apple kent sandvik subject free moral agency kent date article healta tammy healy wrote ezekiel hart filled pride beauty corrupted wisdom sake splendor cast ground exposed helpless curious gaze kings bible scholars knowthat verses refer prince tyre prophesy addressed human prince verses refer king tyre term satan tammy rationale connect prince tyre satan give rational bible cites afraid case thinking model falls house cards cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities time ezekiel written israel apostacy mistaken tyre make israel prince tyre human ruler tyre wicked calling satan king tyre ezekiel satan real ruler tyre interpretation neccessarily orthodox christian christian bible commentaries interpret king tyre reference satan read ezekiel throughly long time tammy 
free moral agency jeff clark lines organization walla walla college lines article benedikt rosenau writes benedikt rosenau subject free moral agency jeff clark date article healta tammy healy writes deletion millions suffer adam pretty sick creating universe respond giving small theology lesson forgive theology major planet involved cosmic struggle great controversy betweed christ satan borrowed book title interests entire universe making decisions deletion universe created tyrannic creatures likes definitions created satan full knowledge happen including choice satan explain free omniscience didn happen created world concerned tyrant care fine idea possibility abuse power introduced description read part preaching benedikt feel preaching answer people questions talking religion beliefs post intent converting expect atheists newsgroup grain salt state beleve believeit preaching soory soapbox tammy 
made nazi comparisons people compared religious people nazi germany started things knew things strangely grew bigger things motto things contradicted motto things bothered mentiopning things reference germany people similar things germany things waste time repeating sounds knew looked books avail pave intrusions motto hasn caused problems year history doubt caused problems ignore instance describes caused problems shown things motto motto initiates sort harassment harassment occur motto present keith 
writes support claim people simply harass matter doubt true theists loss reason trust motto coins coins representation government christians ammunition slander atheists unpatriotic ammunition guns heard conversation christians fall back things worse national anthem changed bless america list imagine year coins labeled motto dead statement coins offend christian tempted motto face christians debunking standard motto slinging boring people despise statement printed item represents government endorsement government coin motto endorsement trusting endorsement acknowledgement gods things people proud motto encourages belief feel trusting government putting coin prints motto legitimate read gods godlessness trust approve motto motto intended anti atheist turns open invitation anti atheist tool removing tool solve problem increase problem keith 
objective morality omniscient perform feat terming actions wrong omniscient purpose mind goal mind sould able methodically judge action accordance general goal show existence objective moral system exist practice difficult perfectly emulate understand concept objective system thought explaining understand explaining objective system goals actions judged compatible goals simple problem systems current practice goals differ goals society note objective system necessarily inherent concept innocence dependent actions wrong depends moral system objective system deemed innocent easily omniscient person cleared recursive definition murder complaining solves speculate objective moral system question times worth cleared murder part problem harmed harm spend existence metabolising food species moral systems considered species enslave animals humans ideally bother animals point wrong enslave humans persoanl moral system point vegetarian enslave animals kill vegetarian health reasons vegetarian fail personal views relevant wrong animals personal moral system perfectly valid kill members species food nice animals made suffer instance field lives life wild happy veal youngsters treated objective moral system goal system inherent system natural moral system nope kill species food keith 
judge bobby lines organization walla walla college lines article cwru keith ryan writes cwru keith ryan subject judge bobby date mozumder writes tammy healy writes liberty quote christian writer named ellen white hope edit remarks group future standard make opinions views duty interpretations scripture criterion heart condemn ideal thoughts fromthe mount blessing point point judge true judge starts orbit earth accept bible agree totally amen stated world tammy 
thoughts keywords bissell lines organization walla walla college lines article bobbe robert beauchaine writes bobbe robert beauchaine subject thoughts keywords bissell date article bissda lawrence bissell writes start christian makes sense read tony campollo book liar lunatic real thing title writes book part effort destroy christianity process christian good group ripe opportunity gill fillet poor bastard popcorn beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan hope flame give coutesy tammy 
judge bobby lines organization walla walla college lines article mozumder writes mozumder subject judge bobby date article healta tammy healy writes bobby liberty quote christian writer named ellen white hope edit remarks group future standard make opinions views duty interpretations scripture criterion heart condemn ideal thoughts fromthe mount blessing hope quoting make atheists ellen white tammy point peace bobby mozumder point views eveil world caused atheism ridiculous counterproductive dialogue newsgroups posts spirit condemnation atheists newsgroup bacause convert atheists failing miserably position constantly defending agaist insulting attacks blind messgae quote tammy 
death penalty political atheists organization stanford university lines article bobbe robert beauchaine writes article rush stanford voelkerding writes worry case innocent convicted horrible warrant death penalty laws place make virtually impossible execute real criminals death penalty serving original purpose changed numbers back cuff number innocent people sentenced acceptable loss benefit capital punishment surprised ratio approximately dozen cases execution innocent turn century period sentenced people death accounting cases truth reasonable assume innocent people fact executed raise number death sentences metered half million acceptance ratio hold doubt case point acceptable loss find solution beauchaine bobbe suggestions solution realize hand nature numbers answer acceptable loss rate post despise idea supporting criminals life economics situation concern money spent feeding clothing housing taking care people demonstrated unfit live society number places worthwhile enrish lives americans give people jobs give homeless shelter number things clyde butterflies reason robert heinlein 
thoughts keywords bissell nntp posting host kraken organization griffith university brisbane australia lines bissda lawrence bissell writes book jesus liar crazy modern koresh convinced religious fantasies time messiah rebel leader organisation jews built godhood purpose throwing yoke roman oppression reasons liar moslem fanatics strap bombs backs driving jewish embassies dying truth hint nazi soldiers wwii dying truth people lies time wouldn people able liar people hitler liar napoleon mussolini ronald reagan spend millions dollars year find techniques detect lying answer able liar lied things gathered gathered hearing healed call fool heal people healed people bible exist possibility bible divinely inspired piece evidence written unbiased observers niether lunatic entire nation drawn crazy doubtful fact rediculous hitler mussolini lunatics genghis khan jones thousands examples history people drawn lunatics drawn david koresh fool logical people liar lunatic real thing rule liar lunatic mention possibilities triad things note fulfilled loads prophecies psalms isaiah betrayal possibly fulfilling prophecy aware order fulfil prophecies possibly selective diting behalf keepers holy bible thousand years general public access possibly text written riddles nostradamus twisted words raving fictional prophecy crucifixion bible moment time write stuff hard christian deleted severely recommend reconsider reasons christian unconvincing unbiased observer jeff 
keith caltech keith allan schneider writes cwru keith ryan writes chimps human chimps moral chimps system live social groups laws dictating undesired behavior verb warned back kindergarten laws 
thoughts keywords bissell organization university southern queensland lines bissda lawrence bissell writes start christian involved deleted book jesus liar crazy modern koresh reasons liar people able liar people gathered gathered hearing healed call fool heal people niether lunatic entire nation drawn crazy doubtful fact rediculous drawn david koresh fool logical people liar lunatic real thing righto cornflakes book muhammad liar crazy modern mahdi reasons liar people able liar people gathered gathered hearing made stand call fool make stand niether lunatic entire nation drawn crazy doubtful fact rediculous drawn mahdi fool logical people liar lunatic real thing house house toowoomba australia 
rushdie islamic organization lines nntp posting host solntze article jaeger gregg jaeger writes article livesey livesey writes hope islamic bank bcci ripped small depositors muslim community grow childish propagandist gregg pointed practice things wonderful utopia folks claim upsets childish open question bbci islamically owned operated bank real islamic owners operators turned long running ruthless operation steal money small naive depositors naive depositors life savings bcci nasty interest motivated western bank street believed islamically owned operated bank possibly cheat thinking work time 
morality keith caltech keith allan schneider writes livesey livesey writes instinctive moral things explain instinctive acts moral acts happy listen instinctive murder murdering moral significance voluntary order morality person immoral action disregard weaker possibility organism people talking alternatives intelligent beings moral bahavior beings mimics starting point mimicry necessarily action imitated parrot pretty polly necessarily commenting pulchritude polly emphasis place intelligence animals species kill arbitarily posters examples short memory morality animals intelligent possibility organism people talking alternatives posting replying 
moraltiy morally reason moral morality instinctive animals morality instinctive animals attempt assume conclusion conclusion conclusion correct behaviour instinctive animals natural moral system disagreeing definition moral earlier conscious definition instinctive behavior pattern morality apply human terms humans conscious alternative prevent behavior moral morality behavior pattern human morality moral action consistent pattern enforce behavior moral backwards show behaviour pattern morality morality behavior pattern irrelevant behavior pattern motions planets people call morality show definition shown morality thought large class princples defined terms things laws physics silly talk moral planet obeys laws phyics silly talk animals free keith 
cruel thread started discussion death penalty constituted cruel punishment forbidden constitution meant cruel supreme court makes sense refer constitution silent meaning word cruel spent time wording constitution picked words meanings implied intent looked dictionary define word sufficient discussing death penalty discussion resulted murder resulted intial discussion objective morality times removed morality discussion discussing mening word cruel constitution discussing relation death penalty constitution define words cruel dictionary keith 
thought theory meant humans generally capable overpowering instincts follow necessarily intelligent animals generally capable overpowering instincts good question biologist answer animals brains differently animals trained instincts serve reason contradict keith 
morality keith caltech keith allan schneider writes livesey livesey writes expect lion kind fact evidence lions issues assign moral significance instinctive behaviour lions moral behavior null behavior work moral immoral cases craziest thing heard work moral morality remnant evolution people discuss morality daily basis kind evolutionary hangover moral system based concepts practiced animal kingdom phrase based sufficiently familiar based significance argument basically moral undefinable term moral systems exist agree definition terms hope discuss perfectly clear moral system speak people beliefs irrelevant share discuss moral beliefs raise topic considered happy invent moral belief thin 
keith caltech keith allan schneider writes arromdee arromdee writes made nazi comparisons people compared religious people nazi germany started things knew things strangely grew bigger things motto things contradicted motto things bothered mentiopning things reference germany people similar things germany things waste time repeating sounds knew looked books avail true gave examples pevasive anti semitism german christianity hitler arrived system social ranks imperail germany austria distinguish jews rest population terrible helped psychology gradual disenfranchisement jews made easier 
thoughts christians organization sophomore electrical computer engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply excerpts netnews atheism thoughts christians dave fuller sick religious types pampered looked worst respected atheists sight couple good atheists good steadfast agnostics high political offices time openly atheist president rhetorical questions bout supreme court justices thing ticked news program local station promo cults prey young ahem hear baptism birth preying young barf catholic confirmed shortly decided load insisted continue church felt duty bring believer presumptuous things heard life suggested talk priest agreed priest amazingly cool basically good forcing guess amazingly cool response hope expect human pose didn expect find absurd religion exists usefulness people facing fact worm food decades cosmic purpose humanity universe pretty difficult people readily digested solution pretty attractive gullible suspend reasoning abilities piece mind stuff rammed throat long remember religion general nice patch human weaknesses organized religion nice population control blech chris chris leger sophomore carnegie mellon computer engineering remember ignore 
mary fault organization sophomore electrical computer engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew occurred today christian thing blamed solely mary married joseph knocked finds mary ridiculous story making pregnant ridiculous number people tells truth tells poor jesus shit tells bought mary story mary turn adultress liar mankind greatest folly recently minted cents chris chris leger sophomore carnegie mellon computer engineering remember ignore 
rawlins debunks creationism organization prove thing lines article bill rawlins wrote talking origins science science explain origins person exclude science issue origins higher truth science false premise hear enjoy science understand observing creation macroevolution mixture percent science percent religion guaranteed percent error bill award golden shovel award biggist pile bullshit whils afraid religion macroevolution made grand statement science explain origins large extent bill rawlins peter walker knowledge dept space physics thing astronomy thing admit rice university knowledge houston 
thoughts organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host punisher caltech keywords bissell bissda lawrence bissell writes start christian atheism hope arent convert makes sense disagree book jesus liar crazy modern koresh give book weight statements correct jesus fame attributed death strong motives things note fulfilled loads prophecies psalms isaiah prophecy significant people understand christian understand churches life total sacrafice sake sell computer donate life religion waste time keith 
years christian morality organization case western reserve university lines nntp posting host student cwru article frank uucp frank dwyer writes wild guess freedom objectively valuable base assumption world deprived utterly freedom contrary volition complain assert freedom valuable absurd assert raining rainy candidate objective condition objective morality objective values exist shown vast majority agree subjective majority event challenge assertion societies heck citizens trade freedom security promises made broken john laws honor word 
islamic authority women reply chrisb chris blask organization mississauga ontario canada lines mozumder writes article west writes belief horrors crusades emasculation internment native americans killing tribes south america inquisition counter reformation wars salem witch trials european witch hunts holy wars middle east colonization destruction africa wars christianity islam post crusade genocide biblical canaanites philistines aryian invasion india attempted genocide jews nazi germany current missionary assaults tribes africa horrors mentioned lack people religion lack people religion include fanatics people shove throat religion horrors covers false save peace bobby mozumder thought bible definately lack religion book esther read reasons describes origin jewish celbration peace long short story people killed people tripping peacefull solutions lying swing sacred slammin nice peaceful solution joshua jawbone spring mind agree bobby religion kill large numbers people form manner originally intended reduce number deaths directly caused religion minor observation fact pure universe honestly attempting find true meaning religious teaching times inspired hatred people religious leaders involved stomache contentsthan absolute truth driven kill leaders point things involved religion lead things part religion unpleasant side effect bobby result people switching religion atheism spontaneously results groups long involved majority bloodiest parts history atheists hand preen preen typically ideological social caste driven organize spread beliefs overuse nazism stalinism show true groups clear specific ideologies religious persecution means obvious groups founded reasons religious persecution belief system made powerfull hard basically bobby examples wars specifically fought religion choices west flames heating bottom silver butter dishes ciao chris blask 
objective morality keith caltech keith allan schneider writes livesey livesey writes omniscient perform feat terming actions wrong omniscient purpose mind goal mind sould able methodically judge action accordance general goal contradicting pretty massive noticed part thread telling goal natural morality animals survive suppose omniscient told long term survival humanity requires exterminate species terrestrial alien make moral 
lines article keith caltech keith allan schneider andrew newell writes fall back things worse national anthem changed bless america list worse definately violation rules govt supposedly changed personally concerned anthem daily unavoidable routines christian tempted motto face christians debunking standard motto slinging boring people despise despise people opinions meant chatting refuse listen idea exercise amusement motto legitimate read gods godlessness trust approve motto current change 
moraltiy keith caltech keith allan schneider writes livesey livesey writes morally reason moral morality instinctive animals morality instinctive animals attempt assume conclusion conclusion conclusion correct behaviour instinctive animals natural moral system disagreeing definition moral earlier conscious definition instinctive behavior pattern morality apply human terms humans pardon apply human terms humans confusion animal behaviour instinctive moral sugnificance refusing apply human terms animals turned applying human terms conscious alternative prevent behavior moral convince morality behavior pattern human morality moral action consistent pattern enforce behavior moral backwards show behaviour pattern morality morality behavior pattern irrelevant behavior pattern motions planets people call morality show definition shown offered times accept definition ascribe moral significence orbital motion planets morality thought large class princples defined terms things laws physics silly talk moral planet obeys laws phyics silly talk animals free silly silly livesey finds intuitive silly schneider finds intuitive silly devastating argument 
inimitable rushdie organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host carson washington article jaeger gregg jaeger writes article bvickers brett vickers writes article jaeger gregg jaeger writes muslim sort fatwa issued khomeini relevant understand fear persecution share muslim rushdie behavior completely excusable considered called islam related dialogue total waste time restrain instance gregg senses accept knowing wisdom power quran allah allah drops congratulate wise choice allah rolls bones allah crisco bends invites spin block realize allah commitment ready programming gotta call thinking renounce islam gregg allah thinks 
inimitable rushdie organization cadence design systems lines article benedikt rosenau writes fortunately religions replaced systems human rights higher secular laws criminal life victims life islam places rights society member rights individual call true human rights support claim precedence islamic case laws religions muslim living muslim land bound laws land live disregard islamic remains part life laws land conflict religion extent prevented allowed practise religion leave land islamic precendence secular instructed follow laws land live islamic state ruled khaliphate religions islam allowed rule religious laws provided affect genral population direct conflict state laws dhimmis muslim population exempt islamic laws religion fighting jihad giving zakat alms giving benefit acts military protection poor receive zakat rushdie reliable information left islam islamic burden proof benedikt fatwa rushdie affirm faith islam public conversion islam binding islamic laws publicly renounce belief islam burden masud ahmed khan opinions 
slavery allowed marriage organization cadence design systems lines article newnham leonard newnham writes sounds nice helping smiling fluffy bunnies wake people evident history society succeeded rely goodwill unselfishness people obvious places iran greedy people society attracted positions power sounds recipe disaster leonard mail newnham leonard give father recently bought business business price pounds father approached people community raised pounds interest free loans friends relatives muslims knew cash rest business loan paying muslim lenders helped loans clear bank debt save intrest muslim community helping common identity muslims turn father helped people buying houses minimise amount intrest cases houses intrest free fortunate community fact leonard work fluffy bunny sight ithat beauty islam masud ahmed khan opinions 
writes fall back things worse worse definately violation rules govt supposedly motto legitimate read gods godlessness trust approve motto current change wrong motto approve beginning mottos general plurbis unum keith 
things reference germany people similar things germany true gave examples pevasive anti semitism german christianity hitler arrived system social ranks imperail germany austria distinguish jews rest population things orders worse motto motto thing lead worse things keith 
morality explain instinctive acts moral acts happy listen instinctive murder murdering moral significance voluntary moral significant voluntary humans ability disregard instincts intelligent beings moral bahavior beings mimics starting point mimicry necessarily action imitated parrot pretty polly necessarily commenting pulchritude polly attaching things term moral good animals species kill animals machines wrong animals species kill arbitarily posters examples short memory arbitrary killings slayings related sort mating ritual whatnot morality animals intelligent possibility organism people talking alternatives posting replying understand distinctions small child moral gorilla dolphin platypus line drawn aware call mechanism prevent animals species arbitrarily killing find fact significant keith 
objective morality part thread telling goal natural morality animals survive humans goal actualization suppose omniscient told long term survival humanity requires exterminate species terrestrial alien letting omniscient give information part original premise make moral type morality talking natural sense immoral harm species long adversely affect guess keith 
member organization sponsored account school computer science carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply jcopelan writes official keeper list nicknames people atheism didn list awarded nickname buckminster time post article sign nickname dave buckminster fuller humor means copeland list agree nickname laws laid gipu years written iron tablets melted reinscribed prophet gipu decree post list nicknames frequent posters nanci 
chimps system live social groups laws dictating undesired behavior laws quotation marks enclose laws rules instinctive unwritten surely sort random chance lead chimp society chaos keith 
keith caltech keith allan schneider writes livesey livesey writes things reference germany people similar things germany true gave examples pevasive anti semitism german christianity hitler arrived system social ranks imperail germany austria distinguish jews rest population things orders worse motto motto thing lead worse things things twenty twenty hindsight 
objective morality keith caltech keith allan schneider writes livesey livesey writes part thread telling goal natural morality animals survive humans goal actualization humans thread telling natural morality animals survive thread claiming omniscient wrong omniscient criterion long term survival human species omniscient able assign wrong actions suppose omniscient told long term survival humanity requires exterminate species terrestrial alien letting omniscient give information part original premise original premises habit changing time review difference omniscient able assign wrong actions telling result make moral type morality talking natural sense immoral harm species long adversely affect guess talking morality introduced implemented omniscient assign wrong actions type morality 
slavery allowed marriage organization lines distribution world nntp posting host solntze article masud khan writes leonard give father recently bought business business price pounds father approached people community raised pounds interest free loans friends relatives muslims knew cash rest business loan paying muslim lenders helped loans clear bank debt save intrest muslim community helping common identity muslims turn father helped people buying houses minimise amount intrest cases houses intrest free fortunate community wrong banks started place sooner father pals lend money eventually broke realise havn managing risk quantify risk persuade borrowers greater loans carry worry calculations handling money specialise reinvent interest good muslims call fact leonard work fluffy bunny sight ithat beauty islam riight john major opened government department couple months promote minority business lending cups sugar 
morality keith caltech keith allan schneider writes livesey livesey writes explain instinctive acts moral acts happy listen instinctive murder murdering moral significance voluntary moral significant voluntary force morally responsible humans ability disregard instincts make mind instinctive murder intelligent beings moral bahavior beings mimics starting point mimicry necessarily action imitated parrot pretty polly necessarily commenting pulchritude polly attaching things term moral good animals species kill correct animals species kill animals machines wrong sigh times round loop instinctive bahaviour moral significance prepared higher animals primates beginnings moral sense exhibit awareness animals species kill arbitarily posters examples short memory arbitrary killings slayings related sort mating ritual whatnot killing animals moral significance natural morality morality animals intelligent possibility organism people talking alternatives posting replying understand distinctions small child moral gorilla dolphin platypus line drawn aware blind sentence means possibility organism people talking alternatives imply call mechanism prevent animals species arbitrarily killing find fact significant find fact significant 
years christian morality organization tektronix beaverton lines article cobb uiuc mike cobb writes base belief atheism knowledge reasoning couldn wrong atheism based ignorance ignorance existence fall atheists pride mistake beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan 
rushdie islamic organization tektronix beaverton lines article jaeger gregg jaeger writes article livesey livesey writes hope islamic bank bcci ripped small depositors muslim community grow childish propagandist gosh gregg pretty good reading lines precious work refutation flesh miss full grandeur content virtue blinding atheism beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan 
morality keith caltech keith allan schneider writes moral behavior null behavior smell material beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan 
cruel keith caltech keith allan schneider writes discussing relation death penalty constitution define words cruel dictionary dictionary gain hand knowledge suffering posts beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan 
keith caltech keith allan schneider writes things reference germany people similar things germany things weren waste time repeating sounds knew looked books avail anne frank exhibit makes small world afternoon beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan 
thoughts christians organization tektronix beaverton lines article patrick leger writes hear baptism birth preying young praying young preying young bright eyed altar finds priest wears chasible beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan 
keith caltech keith allan schneider writes livesey livesey writes chimps system live social groups laws dictating undesired behavior laws quotation marks enclose laws highness quotation marks enclose laws case notice function ironicise rules instinctive unwritten surely sort random chance lead chimp society chaos chimps failed evolve cooperative behaviour died left evolve behaviour chance proclaim natural morality time organism evolves cooperative behaviour natural morality dance 
objective morality humans thread telling natural morality animals survive thread claiming omniscient wrong omniscient criterion long term survival human species question goals obvious goals happiness liberty golden rule goals inherent defined objective system omniscient able assign wrong actions difficult goals mind absolute knoweldge intent letting omniscient give information part original premise original premises habit changing time review difference omniscient able assign wrong actions telling result omniscience fine long information resolution free problem interactive omniscient situation type morality talking natural sense immoral harm species long adversely affect guess talking morality introduced implemented omniscient assign wrong actions type morality speaking objective system general mention specific goal determine morality action keith 
islam caused believing genocide caused theism reply halat bears halat lines article mozumder writes happen atheism beleiver knowledgeable religion good happen tiresome statement coming definition assertion islam good belief islam good believer islam produce good islam good blah blah blah circular equally meaningless produces good good produces unapplied definition application true true silly conversely handedly happen atheism offshoot true doesn religions aquainted islam teaches exclusion caste suggests harsh penalties behaviors logical call punishment limits speech good pain suffering justification waving hand inaccessible toss word knowledgable carelessly knowledgeable believer contradiction terms infer believer terms faith knowledge faith halat 
inimitable rushdie anecdote islam reply halat bears halat lines article jaeger gregg jaeger writes precise rejection leaving islam perfectly free muslim doubt question existence long reject rushdie made atheism clear front sufficient number proper witnesses question regard legal issue status time crime committed problem organization religious idea simple speech basis crime halat 
inimitable rushdie anecdote islam reply halat bears halat lines article halat bears halat writes article jaeger gregg jaeger writes precise rejection leaving islam perfectly free muslim doubt question existence long reject rushdie made atheism clear front sufficient number proper witnesses question regard legal issue status time crime committed impossible rejects choose punish talk halat 
silly question tianity reply halat bears halat lines article mccullou wisc mark mccullough writes insult homestate coming wisconsin backwards able understand people held bigoted backwards views wisconsin neighbor minnesota child middle atlantic found states provences stood youngster mind california texas florida obvious minnesota wisconsin stuck solely basis politics translated extremely liberal progressive states recent trip minnestoa summer served support state reputation guess wisconsin impression people minnesota left neighbors question head wisconsin effect relationship cheese serial killers halat 
nonexistance atheists reply nntp posting host organization kupajava east krakatoa mailer psilink lines date kmagnacca wesleyan article bskendig brian kendig writes quotes deleted people idea means atheist bobby mozumder clones world thought explains things posted religion islam attached quote bobby effect atheists lying evil scum asked commonly held idea muslims response unknown guess culture groups middle east south asia area open islam channel defined atheists polytheists world created particle created gods culture african nice contrasting viewpoints benevolence religion sudan mentioned 
keith relativist organization cured discharged lines article keith caltech keith allan schneider writes thrown cage tiger mauled blame tiger admits moral relativist keith start waffling human maul thrown cage speak start posting tome decent evidence retract absolute morality blurb weeks keith desert brat john mcvey eltnc whyalla australia unisa darwin replies mail whjjm whyalla unisa disclaimer unisa hates opinions make rainbow beautiful smack understand refractive mechanisms chance produce perry perry alice chains 
thoughts keywords bissell reply eczcaw nott wainwright organization nottingham university lines article healta tammy healy writes hope flame give coutesy tammy person balanced reasoned argument tammy happy discuss makes astounding claims backed evidence expected substantiate original author opinion supportable people simply claimed things logic flawed argument christianity effort convince atheists message things read told pink fluffy elephants dance sugar plum fairy dark side jupiter demand evidence adda adda wainwright atal llanw eczcaw nott werth 
objective values scientific accuracy years christian morality organization nottingham university lines article tommy kelly wrote article frank uucp frank dwyer writes science real world basis values round values science equate real world science recognition patterns perceptions universe making qualitative quantitative predictions perceptions science process modeling real world based commonly agreed interpretations observations perceptions values values experience values refer meaning computer science true false science based commonly agreed values interpretation observations science result reinterpretation values objective values values proposer believes applicable values underlaying science objective fully agreed change time values newtonian physic quantum mechanics steve lang slang sling slink slick slack shack shank thick 
victims good fight organization cured discharged lines article naren naren bala writes list killings religion iran iraq civil sudan riots india pakistan massacares bangladesh inquistions america million crusades massacre jews wwii million massacre inferior races wwii million communist purges million socialism religion catholics protestants imagine recent goings bombay iodia area disease introduced brazilian oher tribes million naren desert brat john mcvey eltnc whyalla australia unisa darwin replies mail whjjm whyalla unisa disclaimer unisa hates opinions make rainbow beautiful smack understand refractive mechanisms chance produce perry perry alice chains 
keith schneider stealth poster organization cured discharged lines article keith caltech keith allan schneider writes threatened motto people time somone writes describing norm infact inforcing norm programmed motto dangerous tells world true american fearing puts fear gods make dangerous good existing currency keith desert brat john mcvey eltnc whyalla australia unisa darwin replies mail whjjm whyalla unisa disclaimer unisa hates opinions make rainbow beautiful smack understand refractive mechanisms chance produce perry perry alice chains 
mary fault organization videocart newsreader lines patrick leger writes occurred today christian thing blamed solely mary married joseph knocked finds mary ridiculous story making pregnant nice attempt chris verry close missed conspiracy step joseph knew knocked mary prego popularity local circles happened feeling guilty feeling embarrassed decided improve images downfall clever gained respect couple joseph mary receive praise paid jesus dave buckminster fuller keeper nicknames 
origins bible organization maryland dept computer science coll lines adda wainwright writes stated thousands bibles discovered point time syllable perfect meant copy time time quoted acquaintance approximately years death jesus complete nonsense codification bible wingate peace peace strife closed mangoe brothers pray thing tove mangoe marv lous peace 
inimitable rushdie organization decision support lines nntp posting host bozo dsinc apologize long delay response posted working reduced hours past couple weeks born umar article posted respond couple days turns coincidental news software rearrangement caused postings site silently disappear world revision original response article khan navy umar khan writes article perry perry writes functional illiterate absolutely conception nature thing response claim rushdie made false statements life mohammed disclaimer fiction line fact fiction stand distinction fiction false statements writing satanic verses people accepted propagandistic version contained book find single muslim convinced read book initially claimed shown knowledge book superficial newsweek story impart made factual misstatements events book things accuse people making hominem arguments repeat previous postings read cover cover claim sweeping made factual misstatements events book raised past islam clearer view thread root rushdie islamic thread statement read book convinced inter alia defend position produce evidence respond evidence posted statement directly aimed broadly number muslim posters repeated propaganda book indicating read narrowly gregg jaeger subsequently admitted fact read book vindicating skepticism case things case statements made book clearer view posting challenged interpretation statements fact instance rushdie depicts women respected family islam whores claim read cover cover resolve disagreement critical interpretation support responding criticism doubt ability muslim book highlighter finding passages personal offense upheld view intended attack islam muslims view defended mere assertion hard amicable rational club defending honest opinion book construed calculated insulting attack islam parallel opinion criticism book baseless propaganda supported statements critical interpretationa context quotes book rushdie essays correspondents perry perry decision support matthews opinions nominal 
amusing atheists agnostics lines chris faehl writes atheists mock concept shocked theists fallen level accuse atheists part conspiracy evidence rule condescending population large theists people faith anytime ruins credibility fallacy atheism faith hear beckoning wonderful rule deleted correct conspiracy correction hard atheism faith rule apples oranges extermination mongols worse stalin khan conquered people unsympathetic atrocious stalin killed millions people loved worshipped atheist state worse explain stalin atheism whethe atheist irrelevant grip stalin brought indictment atheism people kill occasion rule rely evidence state waiting opposed relying bunch black crumbling paper atheism prove burden dogmatic religious bullshit provide evidence referring long wait hard atheism prove justify exist guess justifications compelling people flocking hard atheism discourage people hard atheism pointing sources reliable statements hard atheism makes defending religion recognizing hard atheism faith referring reader post evidence poster stated relied theist safely definition theists arrogant boast gods principle hard theists necessarily arrogant absolutely unalterably true dogma true prepared issue blanket statements indicting theists arrogance wont atheists bzzt virtue innocent pronoun issued blanket statement apologize qualifying original statement hard atheist place atheist call john baptist arrogant boasted greater christians today arrogant worthy misinformed sophisticated theists misinformation shines bake timmons higher stronger wholesome life good memory alyosha brothers karamazov dostoevsky 
islam scientific predictions genocide caused atheism organization monash university melb australia lines benedikt rosenau writes article darice monash fred rice writes almighty created night earth celetial bodies swim rounded holy quran agrees ptolemic system earth centre planets orbitting round copernicus gallileo wrong read carefully circling moving circles oops words words evidence rounded general sense wishy washy statements scientific note celestial bodies verse interpolation brackets translator incorrect imho interpretation maurice bucaille translation studied arabic research science verse created night moon travelling orbit motion positive aspect verse noted maurice bucaille geocentrism commonly accepted notion time long time notion geocentrism verse fred rice darice monash 
islam scientific predictions genocide caused atheism organization monash university melb australia lines cindy solan unit cynthia kandolf writes quotes deleted interest saving bandwidth copy koran quote almighty created night earth celetial bodies swim rounded holy quran pointed quote makes claim orbits idea orbited held true years koran written fact orbits surprising insight concern word rounded interpretations word means circle wrong believed true time koran written words describing neighborhood universe exists thought time implications hope obvious means rounded shape include elipses geometrical form describes orbits planets great insight shapes nature approach square rectangle human created shapes nature rounded degree flat earthers claim earth rectangle children draw imaginary animals seldom give rectangular bodies instinctively recognize nature produces rounded shapes assumption orbits planets round takes divine inspiration good remember translation extent interpretation point back original arabic verses relevant nature prefer maurice bucaille translations book bible science general translations literal maurice bucaille translates portion verse addressing travelling orbit motion note celestial bodies translation quoted translator interpolation existent original arabic included brackets read original arabic eliminate interpretations rate impressive verses remarkable bucaille surgeon thinks significant verse geocentric ideas geocentrism rage century rest verses nature remember reading fred rice darice monash 
societally acceptable behavior organization kansas state university lines distribution world nntp posting host citation article cobb uiuc mike cobb writes question basis morality moral ethical behavior societally acceptable behavior disagree society thinks irrelevant individual decides important society fairly obvious define acceptable generally feel idiotic policy legal moral position thinking michael cobb raise taxes middle university illinois class programs champaign urbana bill clinton debate cobb uiuc taxes spending cuts billion dollar deficits 
origins bible lines article eczcaw nott wainwright writes argument origins bible theist acquaintance stated thousands bibles discovered point time syllable perfect meant copy time time quoted acquaintace approximately years death jesus adda bible scholars agree copy book time time author wrote works time period earlier exists today copies cutting crap wrote answer oldest surviving copy testament parts books scraps date century complete books letters middle century complete collection testament dates early century period writings early church fathers leaders quoted scriptures writings truth acquaintance statements discovered thousands bibles perfect copies dating part century thousands early manuscripts dates letter perfect probable text reconstructed documents earliest original autographs lost written starting shortly bible originate original authors call matthew mark luke john peter paul james identified long piece string long make adda 
amusing atheists agnostics lines james hogan writes timmbake ucsb bake timmons writes hogan quips summary stuff afraid missed point admit atheists sleeve suspected encourage people learn atheism atheists sleeves suspected meager send address learn faith faith yeah expect people read accept hard atheism leap faith jimmy logic runs steam fine people shoot foot mock idea hope understand understand providing healthy sarcasm dispelled sympathies faith bake real glad detected sarcasm angle bummin sympathy inclined sympathy faith religion newsgroups careful make whispering delusional pity feelings denial faith pretend happily start newsgroup atheist hard bummin good bake slim deleted bake forget flintstone chewables bake timmons higher stronger wholesome life good memory alyosha brothers karamazov dostoevsky 
studies book mormon distribution world organization orden lobo estepario reply agrino lines mormons independent studies book mormon official story gold original heaven read book mormon work learning biblical hebrew comment results study style vocabulary place names internal consistency evidence writer multiple writers mention events places historical persons discovered archeologist collen andres grino brandt casilla santiago agrino chile realidad realidad razon profeta 
gulf peace niks lines article dgraham douglas graham writes wait minute play chamberlain playing chamberlain east timor concerned lead argument irrelevant gulf idea rest world bombed missiled washington invaded nicaragua grenada panama vietnam mexico hawaii number places wait minute doug informed invaded nicaragua liberated grenada cubans protect citizens prevent completion strategic strip panama invaded true century vietnam invited government vietnam guess invaded saudi arabia gulf mexico invaded mexico times century missiles shoot time hawaii liberated spain word invaded sort military action cross border invaded carries connotation attacking autonomous nation nation invades virgin islands invading virgin islands point view score falls mexico panama peace doesn masturbate guns ammo supposed peace believes peace costs words person supported giving hitler austria czechoslakia poland averted hitler wipe jews slavs political dissidents areas controlled long left rest supposed peace depends values life liberty peace freedom guess liberty freedom life fighting liberty live tyrant heel peace problem peace niks unconscionable argument problem peace held ideals stayed conflicts issues dealing national defense legitimately hold point view militate times resort violence peace rank hypocrisy stop warmongers stand defend freedoms tyrants realize requires strong national defense time soapbox doug graham dgraham opinions 
amusing atheists agnostics lines nancyo nancy patricia connor writes timmbake ucsb bake timmons writes rule apples oranges extermination mongols worse stalin khan conquered people unsympathetic atrocious stalin killed millions people loved worshipped atheist state worse david koresh claimed christian hear millions cheering josef stalin heart bake timmons higher stronger wholesome life good memory alyosha brothers karamazov dostoevsky 
risen organization case western reserve university lines nntp posting host student cwru lord savior david keresh risen alive spread word sole intention learning 
idle questions fellow atheists organization university oulu finland newsreader version lines acooper macalstr wrote atheists care speculate face world atheists majority minority group population thinking ties christianity surprising note large majority people finland apatheists population members lutheran church finland religious people minority people case people seek truth fall prey pascal wager poor arguments small minority reads bible regularly majority care believes people beliefs change lifestyle virtual gate open christian born spirit disturb religion afraid society true atheist majority impossible dream religions strong appeal people promise life death humans eagerly listen coupled threats eternal torture idea morality constant scrutiny cosmic people poison smile pretend swallow unconsciously hope notice atheists stance accor higher thinking theistic thinking typical selfish argument lines thinking evolved inherent motivation intrinsically qualitatively measuring stick drawn assign system beliefs core alternative apply periphery expresses selfishness logic reason valued claim atheistic thinking higher theistic exposition theists make unnecessary assumptions good reasons gods leap faith revelation logic reasoning questions bears resemblance long disputed problem science mathematics works strong deep structuralists atkins proposed mathematics usefulness criterion petri petri pihko mathematics truth pihatie finou oulu physics rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistry game 
societally acceptable behavior organization siemens nixdorf lines nntp posting host mchp article cobb uiuc mike cobb writes frank uucp frank dwyer writes article cobb uiuc mike cobb writes making wrong assumption basis morals question idea heard morals societally mandated aspect morality societal morality necessarily crude broad brush stuff attempts deal society enthusiastic individual morality thing includes societal mores society trouble stronger people vegetarian eating meat perfectly legal question basis morality moral ethical behavior societally acceptable behavior society depends society doesn point irrelevant answer society make rules question society make rules claim answers ireland things system principle define acceptable depends question ideally consensus legal moral position adopting default position people moral decisions society business people jail condemn societies hard trick recognise equally importantly interfering interfere interference jail force kinds degrees effective derive interfere difficult question sort liar paradox force freedom justification people freedom object freedom paradox arise actively freedom introduction permissible interference problem people agree level interference justice system define term consensus guess situation honour forbids admit understand statement legal immoral lets eating meat frank dwyer hatching odwyer hens evelyn conlon 
islamic genocide organization monash university melb australia lines robert knowles writes date frank dwyer article darice monash fred rice writes borrowing post rice robert knowles writes democracy driving force massacres east timor worlds massacres occur religious lines independently claims democratic form government ireland northern ireland considered democracies attribute problems democracy democracies motivates religion democracy rice pointing fallacy assertion islam evil claim follow evil asserting democracy massacres read pointing indonesians killing east timorese result democracy weak democracy motivation indonesia remember east timor portguese territory forcibly annexed indonesia heard indonesians died east timor part indonesia portuguese colony strong catholic influence east timor recall fought people happen religions purely coincidental guess real motivation vote make democracy work indonesia pointed secession movement aceh brutally dealt past indonesian government harshly secessionist movements evidence appears indonesian government dealt harshly secession movements head indonesian armed forces long time benny murdani christian indonesia heavy handed east timor long time murdani head armed forces people make indonesian government general motivated national interests religious fred rice darice monash 
amusing atheists agnostics lines robert knowles writes atheists time hands apologize bother reading fired imprecise flame inexcusable nickname bake flamethrower timmons robert koresh fetesh knowles good koresh compound noon today chance remember koresh dried sins pass beef jerky rely posted fetishes beef jerky david koresh bake timmons higher stronger wholesome life good memory alyosha brothers karamazov dostoevsky 
christian morality lines article cobb uiuc mike cobb bobbe robert beauchaine writes article cobb uiuc mike cobb writes wrong free time correct mistake continues supposedly proclaiming undying love eternal soul speaks volumes volumes speaks fact leaves choices leaves choices reason story alleged killed past thousand years leaving texts passed centuries meddling meaning wording passing interpretation coming vested interest allowing possibility ultimate truth talking directly able make time creations loves give words direct conversation busy unquestionably miraculous works speaks volumes volumes chance meet chat 
death penalty gulf lines article mathew writes jbrown writes article mathew writes fortunately thinking folks good power deemed acceptable slaughter tens hundreds thousands iraqis order liberate hkuwait hurrah hurrah number civilian iraqi deaths exaggerated exploited anti emotionalism liberal news media facts iraqis died gulf civilians comparable size century analyze claim size defined number participants geographical area number countries involved number casualties size armies duration numbers casualties absolute percentage involved geographical area numbers countries measures size case relevant statistic number combatants total troops compared total casualties total civilian population affected geographical area comparable wars talking vietnam korea make good comparisons liberal news media talking western news general american mass media general tone news poor poor iraqis precisely cruise missile blew building bits short duration coupled precise surgical bombing techniques technically recently suspect medical advances agree innocent people died blanket bombing hear bemoaning topic cropped opinion blanket bombing german cities world appalling wholesale slaughter country committed centuries bomber harris hero mine atomic bomb mistake easy enlightened viewpoint back germany japan squashed million british died hundreds thousands french couple hundread thousand americans millions russians mention million jews poles people slavic descent german concentration camps things considered fire bombings atomic bomb essential justified bringing quick avoid greater allied losses regret exact science smart bombs exact smaller percentage civilian casualties mistakes made targets misidentified innocents entrenched political rulers operating selfish interests regard lives people people suffer reason depose entrenched political rulers operating selfish interests applies allies fuss kuwait east timor bosnia tibet iraq selling stuff couple weeks started bombing make claim effort justify misguided foreign policy west evident west america misjudged hussein drastically hussein invaded kuwait threatened militarily corner significant portion world supply stopped prevented judicious concerted effort part west hussein invaded kuwait hussein responsible decision invade strong response west required mathew sarcasm noted completely base sounding complete peace idiot feel intent intent sound loving christian good loving hussein hitler gobble nearby countries continue mass slaughter peoples dominion stopping hussein loving thing people involved mind military conquest iraqi wrong appeasement worked mentioned appeasement makes situation remotely analogous world mentioned intervened allowing hussein kuwait appeasement precisely lessons world learned motivated western alliance letting hitler austria czechoslavkia stop happening letting hussein kuwait stopped eventual gulf protect saudi arabia guess fought innocent german civilians killed dresden hamburg germans human unfortunate hitler grandiose quest thousand year reich consequences stemmed tyrants hussein stopped kind understand diplomacy understand point regret bush wimped military roll baghdad hussein power iraqi people sacrifice mention americans died naught forward hearing incisive comments east timor tibet poor poor rodney king stop jury trial brought back verdict guilty things thought awful white people jury policemen trial rodney king american deserved jury peers black officers involved black jurors point allegedly racial motivations shallow foaming mouth blood policemen looked video tape jury looked evidence evidence bunch policemen beating lying defenceless ground hard imagine evidence hard imagine argument incredulity gained acceptance revered author constructing logical argument expect revision kidding wonderful evidence seemingly secret king deserved good beating live happily admit prosecution defense talking conclude silence principals country intended protect rights accused criminals cops found guilty reasonable doubt guilt jury position assess evidence render verdict fine finding hard imagine reasonable doubt case cops beating lying defenceless ground explanation mass hallucination orbital mind control lasers faked video footage excessive force involved frankly original guilty verdict baffled learned prosecution case convict charge excessive force simple assault conviction charge aggravated assault intent inflict bodily harm charge news commentators akin attempted murder california based prosecution evident jury decided officers guilty note guilty wrong guilty aggravated assault intent inflicting bodily harm seeds prosecutions defeat overconfidence obtaining verdict extreme charge facts news commentators presented true feel guilty verdict reasonable mathew thou shalt kill thou hast pretty good reason killing case thou shalt kill kill helped brown bible loving christians mathew quote pretty funny monty python kind vein oversimplifying moral argument make contradictory loving christian 
free moral agency distribution lines article osrhe bill conner dean kaflowitz decay wrote interested original notion discussing moral free agency punish person believing person nature person deny reason tells letting atheist mythology confuse issue webster myth traditional legendary story belief truth accepted uncritically qualify oxymoronic amusing instance found atheists hold atheist views accepted uncritically legend explain basic truths myths meet criterions divine justice fundamental doctrines christianity sinned time accuse referencing mythology procede launch xtian mythology time meeting requirements myth salvation idea punishment based proposition instinctively exists creator exists fallacy terribly difficult biblically literate christian controversy makes true holding bible rules controversy read read missed read suggestion read pretend means atheists claim exists contradict bible authority bible claim repeat wrote sake trust bible trusting make credible bible reason doubt bible alleged alleged existance refuted species wide condemnation justified claim evidence existence unknown deliberately ignore bible ignorance excuse ignore bible bible universally accepted bible proof proof people thought prove writing series fiction short stories case dionetics assuming writers believed thing possibly prove believed ignoring problem interpretations biblical philosophers correct people heard bible read freedom free ignore free ignore gravity consequences inevitable cases atheist accept evidence means bzzt wrong answer gravity directly stop exerting direct rationally undeniable influence ignore hand generally show supermarket tabloids exert rationally undeniable influence gravity obvious gods aren human reason comforatble concept intrinsic nature human reason back question generation human reason back existance back existance words generally back xtian back oriental philosophic history generally idea question natural forces world wide view human nature makes universe force control natural tendancy exists religious wishful thinking make point christianity eminently reasonable divine justice human nature atheists agree xtianity reasonable religions reasonableness merit eminence divine justice divinity atheists things human nature atheists correct correct human nature basing views completely eurocentric approach world attempt humanity andrew 
genocide caused theism evidence organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article frank uucp frank dwyer writes absence convincing evidence theist fanatics dangerous atheist fanatics continue wary fanatics stripe agnostic fanatics dangerous fair point mentioned theists atheists left agnostics culpa light theist pass agnostic remember post daughter singing chrismas carols feelings show marginal honesty answer questions left open ceased respond time benedikt 
islamic genocide organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article frank uucp frank dwyer writes deletion people imagine dying capitalism imagine dying democracy lord savior jesus christ died cross sins motivation pure simple cites nonsense people patriotism freedom money kids fast cars swimming pools night basinger gibson things evil read history book fred religions command commit genocide religion religions living standards religion worse dieing coincidence assume part absolute morality describe theism strongly correlated irrational belief absolutes irrational belief absolutes strongly correlated fanatism benedikt 
organization case western reserve university lines distribution world nntp posting host student cwru article geoff geoff arnold coast writes posting provoked checking save file memorable posts captured arromdee subject atheist article question article average articles years noted current posting rate kill file depressing large posting saved early days articles notables interesting read posts regularly posts atheism loren llnl loren petrich jchrist israel jesus christ nazareth washington mark crispin perry perry lippard ccit arizona james lippard minsky marvin minsky interesting bunch promises made broken john laws honor word 
cruel keith caltech keith allan schneider writes thread started discussion death penalty constituted cruel punishment forbidden constitution meant cruel supreme court makes sense refer constitution silent meaning word cruel spent time wording constitution picked words meanings implied intent looked dictionary define word sufficient question founding fathers cruel unusual punishment hanging hanging slowing strangled painful physically psychologicall imagine firing squad note clean back days considered cruel definition allowed constitution founding fathers promises made broken john laws honor word 
keith caltech keith allan schneider writes chimps system live social groups laws dictating undesired behavior promises made broken john laws honor word 
thoughts organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article bissda lawrence bissell writes arguements summing book jesus listen perspective gain listening read watch list weeks back read books matter order broaden view benedikt 
apostles tortured organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article ingles umich ingles writes evidence resurrection claimed disciples tortured death beliefs renounce claim jesus back dead skimmed acts found reference happening stephen apparently widely held belief evidence bible evidence bible found early authors legends important sources found martyriologia catholic church makes grimms exact science benedikt 
keith caltech keith allan schneider writes livesey livesey writes chimps system live social groups laws dictating undesired behavior laws quotation marks enclose laws rules instinctive unwritten surely sort random chance lead chimp society chaos system refered moral system havn shown reason chimps moral system redefine promises made broken john laws honor word 
organization salvation army draft board lines article geoff writes posting provoked checking save file memorable posts captured arromdee subject atheist article question article average articles years noted current posting rate kill file depressing large posting saved early days articles notables loren llnl loren petrich jchrist israel jesus christ nazareth washington mark crispin perry perry lippard ccit arizona james lippard minsky marvin minsky interesting bunch hear address changed reached address dkoresh davidian compound waco posting messianic dead actor plays part sting words fear find place heart history voice reason faith curse teach freedom past things worse 
free moral agency distribution world organization department computer science university york england lines physical adam humans direct decendents human beings cain able wives sisters daughters humans genesis days adam begat seth hundred years begat sons daughters felicitations chris stuart 
death penalty gulf long lines article mathew writes jbrown writes article mathew writes liberal news media talking western news general american mass media general tone news poor poor iraqis precisely cruise missile blew building bits suffering iraqi civilians confined remaining quality newspapers true news media entranced gizmos military mention taped video transmissions missiles zeroed targets bunker full civilians changed tone stomach reality innocent people maimed warfare gulf long nice clean smart missiles dropping military pictures dead dying maimed civilians started cropping naive hypocrites innocent people died blanket bombing hear bemoaning discussion blanket bombing bombs deleted things considered fire bombings atomic bomb essential justified bringing quick avoid greater allied losses militarily justified comments understood meaning morally justified apologize evidence america knew japan surrender hiroshima nagasaki peddled liberal media conspiracy wondered thought bomb dropped japan island fortress truk good inpenatrable military target bomb held back industrial center digress heard found evidence japan surrender bomb military junta moderates rejected ulimatum bomb dropped unfortunate regret nuke jesus regret fact military decisions made affect lives innocent people regret circumstances make decisions regret suffering caused decisions fuss kuwait east timor bosnia tibet iraq selling stuff couple weeks started bombing make claim effort justify misguided foreign policy west evident west america misjudged hussein drastically hussein invaded kuwait threatened militarily corner significant portion world supply stopped overlook chemical weapons thousands people threatens drive huge guzzling gotta fact situations existed prompted allied action back water country back water country intervene care world policman coup occured kuwait invasion acted imminent danger perceived saudi arabia combination unprovoked invasion genocidal tyrant potential danger west interests caused action moved paragraph intervened allowing hussein kuwait appeasement hear advocate action setting strawman setting strawman argue logical alternative hussein kuwait diplomatic alternatives including sanctions ineffective guess fought innocent german civilians killed dresden hamburg germans human unfortunate hitler grandiose quest thousand year reich consequences stemmed translation sense idea hitler lead nation support hitler dreams conquest democratically voted policies nsdap elections chance german people vote matter suffered rest bother world full evil circumstances perfect innocents suffer wrongful actions regretable perfect solutions forward hearing incisive comments east timor tibet people east timor killed dictatorship invaded country hell western journalists killed happening gulf send bombers east timor sending bombers saviors world police country decides destruct invade strategic position relief tibet east timor places paragraph moved intent sound loving christian good loving hussein hitler gobble nearby countries continue mass slaughter peoples dominion stopping hussein loving thing people involved mind military conquest chinese government policy mandatory abortion sterilization tibetans tibetan people rounded tortured executed amnesty international recently reported torture widespread china stopping fact actively sucking trading freely stop support agree present policy sucking agree deplorable poor poor rodney king stop jury trial brought back verdict guilty things thought awful white people jury policemen trial rodney king surely irrelevant trial juries supposed represent cross section population supposed reflect population locale trial held crime committed party convince judge change venue order expert california system criticize system unfounded allegations racial prejudice thrown american deserved jury peers black people peers white people point fact blacks jury rodney king black totally irrelevant point allegedly racial motivations shallow idea people jury people stupid nuremburg trials jury made nazis germans peers thing murderers judge murderers means people station life position understand defendent motivation foaming mouth blood policemen looked video tape jury looked evidence evidence bunch policemen beating lying defenceless ground hard imagine evidence hard imagine argument incredulity gained acceptance revered author constructing logical argument talking logical argument talking court points fallacious arguments viewed fallacies court granted reasoning part logical argument discussion court facts news commentators presented true feel guilty verdict reasonable talking earlier bias liberal media conspiracy media totally monolithic prevailing liberal bias programs macneil lehrer news hour give balanced fair reporting news conservative sources hurrah rush word conspiracy accept evidence theories pervading liberal conspiracy attempting news sources thou shalt kill thou hast pretty good reason killing case thou shalt kill kill helped brown bible loving christians mathew quote pretty funny monty python kind vein oversimplifying moral argument make contradictory atheist arguing killing innocent people supposed christian arguing kill innocent people long guilty good thing kill innocent people live perfect world perfect solutions resist tyranny innocent people sides suffer unfortunate moral relativist arguing saturation bombing german cities world evil unnecessary agree evil sense caused pain suffering unnecessary conclusion arrived evaluating factors involved unnecessary make decision bomb rarely full consequences action making decision time ahead assume feel bombing morally justified condemn make difficult decision difficult circumstances criticised moral relativism past arguing position judge morality allied actions position moral relativist absolutist position judge defer judgment arguing actions assessed context time moral moral wrong moral making decisions bring quick simply refuse condemn decision christian love absolute morality quick discard suits ivan stang jesus puke stand jesus give account word action discourse forum understand full ramifications prepared make claim mathew reason brought blanket bombing germany bemoaning iraqi civilian casualties deplorable blanket bombing instituted bombing accurate industrial military targets decisive method time gulf precision bombing norm point make stink civilian casualties resulted spite precision bombing civilians proportionately quantitatively died blanket bombing precision bombing mistakes happen civilians suffer civilians suffered iany history iraqi civilians lives minimal interference allied raids stories hundreds thousands iraqi civilian dead plain bunk bunk lost servicemen years majority directly involved fighting expected swallow hundreds thousands civilian iraqis died lasting months allies precise bombs created hogwash hundreds thousands iraqi civilians died actions hussein people allied bombing 
amusing atheists agnostics lines maddi hausmann chirps timmbake ucsb bake timmons writes reasonable honest include sentence honest ended swear nice hmm recognize warning signs alternating polite rude coming newsgroup huge chip shoulder calls people names makes nice whirr click whirr forgot equality whirr click whirr whirr click whirr frank dwyer contained shell stack determine whirr click whirr killfile keith allen schneider frank closet theist dwyer maddi sound geek hausmann whirr click whirr bake timmons higher stronger wholesome life good memory alyosha brothers karamazov dostoevsky 
islam scientific predictions genocide caused atheism organization case western reserve university lines nntp posting host student cwru article darice monash fred rice writes positive aspect verse noted maurice bucaille geocentrism commonly accepted notion time long time notion geocentrism verse notion heliocentric galacticentric sole intention learning 
amusing atheists anarchists lines mccullou wisc writes turn back reread post attack atheism agnosticism funny atheism imply agnostic weak atheist people post inflammatory remarks theists reasonable assumption state rule condescending population large theists people faith anytime ruins credibility condescending population large stating happened true long time people believed idea alien concept people faith faith religion issue attitude occurred atheist default guess common form condescending rational versus irrational attitude accepted assumption faiths irrational simply assumption contradict assumption lack consistency faith positive belief exist closed logical argument rational people problems logic soft atheist flamage line atheists haveing sleeves imply reading clipper project paranoia seeped clipper project rule apples oranges extermination mongols worse stalin khan conquered people unsympathetic atrocious stalin killed millions people loved worshipped atheist state worse rulers similar things past stalin plenty documentation afix blame evidence early european rulers ruled iron fist stalin threw numbers sick hearing stalin apply managed angry post appeared attack forms atheism appeared attack atheism general point mass killing sorts reasons people hate wave flag justify cross hammer sickle stalin important widely unappreciated people forget people love ideas wrought evidence referring lack evidence negative evidence claim pink crows pink crow exist person claims pink crows admits able capture photo find sense evidence existence pink crows evidence suppossed evidence deity show flawed show theists show pink crows unicorns elves arguments world sway people simply accept analogy reasons people life pretend accept unique people love truth proven logically gods principle hard theists necessarily arrogant makes sense arrogant make claim previous refutation stands john baptist boasted jesus people find hard behavior arrogant christians boast necessarily arrogance arrogant christians doctors teachers technically person originally made claim arrogant jesus instance talking atheism strong atheism talking weak atheism refuse claim atheism lack belief good occam razor make final rejection deity things present hypothesises equal fasion find theist argument plausible speak strong atheism find evidence supporting faith subjective evidence supporting love truth subjective answered apologize stated incorrect assumption theism agnostic newbie christian cheap shots apology bake timmons higher stronger wholesome life good memory alyosha brothers karamazov dostoevsky 
court organization nasa lewis resaerch center lines distribution world reply spbach nasa nntp posting host hopper lerc nasa article andrew newell writes article mccullou wisc mark mccullough article monack arizona david monack writes issue request required recite part oath theistic jury prejudiced testimony atheism relevant case recommended procedure requesting alternate oath affirmation dave follow respond server dropped weeks worth news asked swear jesus allah vishnu zues odin specific obnoxious humbly quitely back watch james felder sverdrup technology phone nasa lewis research center cleveland ohio email jfelder nasa people drink fountain knowledge people gargle 
thoughts organization university mexico albuquerque lines distribution world nntp posting host vesta keywords bissell article healta tammy healy writes deletia pathetic posting bissel hope flame give coutesy extended courtesy shown tammy respect beliefs stamp scorn posters sole purpose appears evangelize tammy 
apostles tortured lines traditions church hold apostles meaning surviving disciples matthias barnabas paul martyred john tradition understood read early church writings bible heteroorthodox scriptures wingate peace peace strife closed mangoe brothers pray thing tove mangoe marv lous peace 
thoughts organization nasa lewis resaerch center lines distribution world reply spbach nasa nntp posting host hopper lerc nasa article bissda lawrence bissell writes start christian makes sense read tony campollo book liar lunatic real thing title writes book part effort destroy christianity process christian sounds part conspiracy organization belong book jesus liar crazy modern koresh logic alert artificial trifercation explainations existed good points made group impossible amalgam number myths mithra mind reasons liar people able liar people gathered gathered hearing healed call fool heal people logic alert argument incredulity hard true liars pursuasive koresh site followers fake shown giving shot koresh shown believes healing rememer healing attributed consistent gospels healing faith healers pull today early gospels compeling stories bigger appeal niether lunatic entire nation drawn crazy doubtful fact rediculous drawn david koresh fool logical people liar lunatic real thing existed number things logical pitfall flawed logic fall bifurcations quad valid proceeding steps person shows conclusively alternatives agrees arguments alternatives presentent true deduced excluding alternatives shown inclusive conclusions bases incomplete invalid true choice original choices valid alternative conclusion real mccoy alternative longer valid things note fulfilled loads prophecies psalms isaiah betrayal crucifixion bible moment time write rabbi knew prophecies great shakes make list actions fullfill prophecy compeling clear explicit prophecies absolutely knowledge fullfilled people understand christian churches life total sacrafice sake loved save inspires turn lives tuff people real christian strong persevere weight lifting guitar playing drums takes time rush christianity life church week helping poor people time units work time sports social life boxes carried boxes created agree buys load mythology total life respect xians myth true true entirity picking choosing leaves taste mouth james felder sverdrup technology phone nasa lewis research center cleveland ohio email jfelder nasa people drink fountain knowledge people gargle 
thoughts reply healta message organization compaq computer corp lines healta tammy healy hope flame give coutesy courteous received courtesy return person posted worst arguments made christian people jesuits laugh face presented argument ignore fact true trilemma moment nice word maddi original real word concentrate liar lunatic part argument claims follow liar thousands people hubbard liar artist thousands people follow dianetics scientology baker swaggert televangelists time number follower lunatics hitler insane advisors thought country entralled close ruling europe germans gave lives followers amazed people argument wrong mccreary compaq laughter 
thoughts christians reply bobbe message organization compaq computer corp lines bobbe robert beauchaine article patrick leger writes hear baptism birth preying young praying young preying young bright eyed altar finds priest wears chasible thing scotsmen kilt forget tweleve accidently walked roomfull priests sitting underware drinking beer watching football kind changed opinion menacing mccreary compaq laughter 
victims good fight reply unisa message organization compaq computer corp lines unisa desert brat disease introduced brazilian oher tribes million fair happen eventually time americans reached europe thing happened matter mccreary compaq laughter 
years christian morality organization mantis consultants cambridge newsreader rusnews lines frank uucp frank dwyer writes article mandtbacka mats andtbacka writes objective values specific importantly motivate wild guess freedom objectively valuable freedom world general freedom tibetans mathew 
koresh organization mantis consultants cambridge newsreader rusnews lines latest news koresh give finished writing sequel bible mathew 
reply acooper macalstr message organization compaq computer corp lines article tcbruno bruno writes stuff deleted brings point posting people atheism damnedest stay stuff deleted usenet collective hooks switched engineering started reading atheism posted messages time understand people find time write barely mccreary compaq laughter 
years christian morality organization university wisconsin claire lines reply frank uucp frank dwyer people word objective means word morality assume idiom defined separate terms give objective morality morality built objective values dictionary philosophy anthony flew objectivism belief moral truths remain true thought desired instance deliberately inflict pain simply pleasure suffering thought plausible world sadists rejected contention remains true remains correct left count problem objectivist determine status moral truths method established accept judgements reports relate naturalistic fallacy proved facts nature world analytic involve lack action guiding content thing plainly true virtue vords involved unhelpful practical guide action analytic synthetic point objectivist talk evident truths deny subjectivist claim evidence mind beholder left claim moral judgements true subjectivist feel remains moral judgements associate hold moral opinion suggests true preferences human activity david nyeda uwec midelfort clinic claire patently absurd wishes philosopher learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell 
inimitable rushdie organization boston university physics department lines article andrews norman paterson writes germany daughter born german rights vote live rights citizens british citizen virtue parentage full citizenship children british virtue fairly obtain citizenship making application require immigration germany applied citizenship inevitable case interesting sentence fact people children born human rights compare islamic country respect people iran children human rights interesting propaganda purposes times iran exemplary good islamic state talk rights people capitalist secular world countries give examples lack rights world countries broadly central american secular capitalist countries govt supports amnesty international pointed human rights vacua gregg 
years christian morality organization university illinois urbana lines bobbe robert beauchaine writes article cobb uiuc mike cobb writes base belief atheism knowledge reasoning couldn wrong atheism based ignorance ignorance existence fall atheists pride mistake based ignorance wrong wrong fall trap mentioned heck talking comments line thoughts beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan michael cobb raise taxes middle university illinois class programs champaign urbana bill clinton debate cobb uiuc taxes spending cuts billion dollar deficits 
koresh reply mathew message organization compaq computer corp lines mathew latest news koresh give finished writing sequel bible feds evasion remember hearing running post office night mccreary compaq laughter 
pope jewish organization texas tech university lines west stilgar writes pope jewish thought pope bear bear shit woods pope catholic connection lines 
bible quiz lines nntp posting host ccsua ctstateu organization yale university department computer science haven article cwru keith ryan writes article freenet frank kirschner writes starts orbit earth accept bible atheism trashing religions inbreeding pope john paul 
islamic authority women nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines benedikt rosenau wrote object belief perfect make believers observe contradiction defined contradictorily exist exist explanations existence object belief read benedikt benedikt recall claiming makes particlar attempting manufacture contradiction require behavior compulsion believer sense duty standard conduct exist free ignore misunderstand distort ways find convenient response edicts question existence behavior believers completely separate question existence contradictory defined contadictorily exist existence depend grammar poorly defined insufficient decide confusion point reasons phenomenon belief object belief lead nest unnecessary complexity implying version alternative bill 
islamic authority women nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines scott sauyet ssauyet wesleyan wrote people hidden motivations stated reasons wars include religion claim real reason economics politics ethnic strife fact remains justification wars conquer heathens instance economics chief crusades make point demonstrate manner show religion manner eliminate crusades scott make outrageous claims religion affecting effecting history purpsoe point claims made wrong validate atheism time made statement religion sole point make kind claim mistaken deliberately credit religion awesome power dominate history misunderstand human nature function religion history distort history exaclty affect bill 
thoughts nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines james felder spbach nasa wrote logic alert argument incredulity hard true liars pursuasive koresh cite basis great rejecting christian account things words madalyn murrey hair face folks silly disbelieve incredulity admit fallacy bill 
thoughts nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines kent sandvik sandvik apple wrote article bobbe robert beauchaine wrote spank wrong lord liar lunatic originate lewis campollo fellow clear connection absurd notion original christians origen similar statement attributed anselm understand cases reason exalted posting accept means statement properly analysed venue bill 
thoughts christians nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines mccreary compaq wrote bobbe robert beauchaine article patrick leger writes hear baptism birth preying young praying young preying young bright eyed altar finds priest wears chasible statement atheist surely intended bill 
thoughts christians nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines kent sandvik sandvik apple wrote good point average people christianity fear escapism simply improve social life involved american culture kids immigrants overwhelming major religion western world form simply choice people bored lives somethong ordinary weak long hurt social pressure important factor majority passive christians world today case early christianity promise heavenly afterlife independent social status promising gift reason slaves romans accepted religion rapidly hypothetical proposition fact cite sources amateur sociologist branch suffice alert unwary screwing bill 
nicknames nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines maddi hausmann madhaus wrote jcopelan writes start posters annoy bobby bill command bill shit stirrer connor bobby circular mozumder close wade make insightful dead money repsonses agree stirred characterization respond kinder insist surprised find offended cases unavoidable fairness important check contributions generous patient veritable paragon gentility mind paired bobby admire tenacity hostile environment offensive read posts love kisses bill conner connor point humiliating innocents 
islamic authority women nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines keith ryan cwru wrote nice bill idea refer mind explaining copped bill 
death penalty political atheists nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines fascinating atheists argue abortion defend homosexuality means population control insist values biological condemn capital punishment benedikt contardictory exist case means atheists suppose understand atheist object excellent means controlling population growth capital punishment logic escapes capital punishment questioned propriety killing punishment basis ecomplaint bill 
americans evolution nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines robert singleton bobs wrote mutually exclusive lends weight increases notional running estimates posterior probability atheist pitch partition necessarily reduces quantity theist pitch divine component falls prey ockham razor phenomenon satisfactorily explained independent evidence component detail post occam razor nature analyzing argument interesting cited religion simultaneously condemned primitive simple minded unscientific anti intellectual childish condemned complex occam razor scientific explanation things straightforeward apparently simpler essential scientists fully comprehend science complexity diversity william occam performed lobotomy frontal lobe thrown confusing straighten tough bill 
amusing atheists agnostics organization society putting things things lines timmbake ucsb bake timmons writes disproved thing failed nail post claim believed possibilities exists exist attack strong atheism guess makes weak atheist snip reasonable honest include sentence honest ended swear hmm recognize warning signs alternating polite rude coming newsgroup huge chip shoulder calls people names makes nice whirr click whirr clam bake timmons bill shit stirrer connor whirr click whirr frank dwyer contained shell stack determine whirr click whirr killfile keith allen schneider frank closet theist dwyer mind reels bobby mozumder maddi hausmann madhaus centigram communications corp jose california kids home remember post professionally 
death penalty political athei sham arizona shamim zvonko mohamed organization arizona dept tucson lines article mandtbacka mats andtbacka writes mathew writes noam chomsky reading wrong talking outright government control media censorship doesn quick stop shopping reference works short argue manufacturing consent film media alternative movie source book local alternative theatre contact films transit international sales rofekamp notre dame montreal quebec canada telex filmtransmtl readers call zeitgeist films shamim mohamed uunet noao cmcl arizona shamim shamim arizona cross garlic mezuzah jewish page koran muslim buddhist member league programming freedom write 
requests lines organization walla walla college lines article bobbe robert beauchaine writes bobbe robert beauchaine subject requests date article mayne writes excess stuff deleted local church elder revelations devastating quake scheduled level area independent corroboration friends apparently similar revelations quake fact response request seeking sign veracity visions terribly interesting amount stir created area people taking claims making plans target date local religious radio station devoted hours discussion topic called live broadcasts host full account conversion provided family survived devastation ruin invariably follow quake beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan similar incident years climatologist ithink profession named iben browning predicted earthquake madrid fault schools missouri fault line cancelled school people evacuated madrid towns suprised journalists area residents earthquake occured live southern illinois lican middle school built directly fault line school laughed poor idiots believed prediction wanting excuse convert christianity tammy trim healy 
studies book mormon lines organization walla walla college lines article agrino andres grino brandt writes agrino andres grino brandt subject studies book mormon date mormons independent studies book mormon official story gold original heaven read book mormon work learning biblical hebrew comment results study style vocabulary place names internal consistency evidence writer multiple writers mention events places historical persons discovered archeologist collen andres grino brandt casilla santiago agrino chile realidad realidad razon profeta book mormon supposedly translated biblical hebrew read prophet joseph smith traslated gold tablets sort egyptian language mormons post tammy trim healy 
societal basis morality organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article cobb uiuc mike cobb wrote expect follow notion societally mandated morality pardon extremism murder brother exercising rights felt good forcing morality follow morality good statement apply empirical measurements define exact social morals morals based social rules ancient religious doctrines common single denominator defining morals defining absolute objective morals doomed fail long humans incredible talent creative thinking cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
genocide caused atheism organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article darice monash fred rice wrote fred problem reasoning believers measurement tool state person real muslim christian person tools religion misuse power make shows sore points religion words show movement spin khomeinis stalins davidians husseins system exists reason condition free humans free lies half truths system abuse ends tools exist addition thing objective information religion doctrines freely misused purpose reminds descartes whispering deamon trust bother cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
free moral agency distribution organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article osrhe bill conner wrote question moral free agency christian position freedom acknowledge morality practice direct outgrowth excercise freedom free ignore free ignore gravity consequences inevitable cases atheist accept evidence means prefers accept evidence agree hard feeling believing grand grand mother told elves dancing barns early mornings preferred accept statement provided truth life hard cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
rushdie islamic organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article arromdee arromdee wrote article jaeger gregg jaeger writes reading group benefit knowing deviant view articulated true view khomeini basic principles islam point view atheist claim khomeini practicing true islam member group supposed able true muslim fred rice answered early posting problem argument real believer faking person assumption claims believer believer necessarily true words define true false muslim back square khomeini hussein innocent defined evil good islamic worshippers cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
islamic authority women organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article darice monash fred rice wrote problem argument real believer faking person assumption claims believer believer necessarily true leaves door totally open khomeini hussein rest considered true muslims judge person apply rule atheists agnostics belief hoopla khomeini real muslim hoopla atheists real human beings cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
suggestion resources reply nntp posting host organization kupajava east krakatoa mailer psilink lines date bruce stephens good book summarizing comparing religions good confess checked alert reader list books suffers christian based agree traffic nature islamic references good overview nice book presents fairly unbiased account religions called religions john noss textbook class comparative religion thing decent bibliographies chapter jumping point reading compare religions directly describes individually notes similarities read remotely preachy christian based fact christianity mercifully consumes pages book divided major regions world biggies began india east asia east world religions aztecs mayas incas stuff people kill nowadays older religions snuffed stuff couple books called ancient east james pritchard pretty cool epic gilgamesh code hammurabi stuff back gods gods essential reading wishes make religion make sound real good 
amusing atheists agnostics reply nntp posting host organization kupajava east krakatoa mailer psilink lines date bake timmons atheists time hands apologize bother reading fired imprecise flame inexcusable nickname bake flamethrower timmons koresh compound noon today chance remember koresh dried sins pass beef jerky 
objective values scientific accuracy years christian morality organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article mathew wrote lpzsml nott steve lang writes values refer meaning computer science true false lisp true define statement defined polarity states considered polarity meaning false true cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
mary fault organization sponsored account school computer science carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply dfuller videocart dave fuller writes nice attempt chris verry close missed conspiracy step joseph knew knocked mary prego popularity local circles happened feeling guilty feeling embarrassed decided improve images downfall clever gained respect couple joseph mary receive praise paid jesus lucky baby obvious deformities mary pregnant wedlock save face joseph pregnant baby turns deformed worse stillborn explaining dave buckminster fuller keeper nicknames nanci author quote send email life cease funny people ceases people laugh 
islam scientific predictions organization tektronix beaverton lines article khan navy umar khan writes century arabia include holy assuming authored judging mutton headed arguments wade today lots books written subject books speak eloquently hope beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan 
rushdie islamic organization california polytechnic state university luis obispo lines article rashid writes charge shatim applies rushdie encompassed umbrella fasad ruling define words shatim fasad john david munch jmunch elee calpoly heart change full hate love people allowed base lives hearts happen dangerous situation opinion bobby mozumder describing problems atheism 
inimitable rushdie anecdote islam distribution world public organization boston university physics department lines article eczcaw nott wainwright writes article jaeger gregg jaeger writes authorities referring authority world islamic community point simply islamic apply muslims fact islamic enforcable islamic countries muslims residing decide islamic community rulings legal consequences isles decision rulings legal consequences islamic obvious enforcing judgment distinct making judgment judgments world court internationally recognized tribunal judgments physical economic effect important fact judgments enforced person excommunicated similar decided mete violent laws fatwa breaking laws persons liable prosecution read thread post ignore country laws preference religious laws indigenous country question absurd arrogant notion sort anarchism anarchism explicitly islam reasoned response points making thread gregg 
jewish settlers demolish mosque gaza organization manchester computing centre lines bertil chalmers bertil jonell writes article kutluk umist kutluk ozguven writes atheists mentioned quran quranic point view minute reasoning thing people atheists atheists quran word means individual thinking behaving communal order protocols based beliefs interpreted weaker term religion atheists mentioned quran jews mushriqin christians beliefs assumptions forma social code marxist history conflict idols represent assuptions mushriq roughly polytheists social atheism community community common ideas standard beliefs coordinate society inscribe assumptions nation progress natural consequence human activity parlamentarian democracy doubtlessly government individually insist gods quranic point view definition atheism exist atheist society fact means reject atheism exist people reject idols gods dogmas suppositions society part case personal deviation belief quran tells deviations disbelief mentioned quranic point things atheism macro level minute kutluk 
nostalgia organization tektronix beaverton lines recent rise nostalgia group combined incredible level utter bullshit prompted comb archives pull atheism reading pleasure post couple group concensus demands stop good material careful past saving attributions john johnson correct wrong longest entire collection prophecy fulfilled christian religion judging claims important claims fulfilling earlier jewish prophecy scribe matthew eager draw thinks prophetic answers career jesus nazareth matthew main strategy testament passages promised messiah apply circumstances testament bear mind question authenticity accounts gospels written years jesus executed happened stated purposes analysis claims face immanuel begin beginning mary bear joseph jesus means salvation save people sins happened fulfil lord spoken prophet isaiah days ahaz king judah rezin syria pekah israel made jerusalem capitol judah conquer house david ahaz court judah told heart heart people shook lord isaiah meet ahaz lord spoke ahaz prophet isaiah naturally sign lord deep sheol high heaven ahaz lord test isaiah hear house david weary weary lord give sign behold young woman child bear immanuel means curds honey refuse evil choose good child refuse evil choose good land kings dread deserted matthew homes sentence italics hebrew word almah young woman specifically virgin prophecy messiah prophecy event happen years prophecy virgin bethulah mother short jesus matthew made verse context make specific case mary noted read prophecy general manner general made mary mary virgin young woman child shady problems jesus thought christians walking called immanuel christianity wished claim prophecy jesus paste prophecy class prophecy convincing egypt jesus birth bethlehem matthew tells quick unmentioned excursion egypt wishes liken jesus moses escape alleged infanticidal rampage king herod remained death herod fulfil lord spoken egypt lord hosea israel child loved egypt called called people sacrificing burning incense idols matthew conveniently omits rest hosea oracle israel called egypt wanted return history jesus spoken draw kind parallel wind jesus flees resists prophecy convincing matthew hoped rachel weeps jesus vacationing egypt matthew king herod sought kill ordered executions young male children matthew writes spoken prophet jeremiah fulfilled voice heard ramah wailing loud lamentation rachel weeping children refused consoled reference passage jeremiah referring carrying israel exile sargon assyria rachel ancestor major tribes israel ephraim manasseh weep descendants metaphorical rachel lived dies hebrews egyptian exile interesting note leah rachel ancestor judeans land jesus bethlehem weeping children leah connexion rachel bethlehem legends buried north city ephrath bethlehem herod infanticide event occurred event mentioned alluded bible mentioned secular records time herod unliked reign evil deeds herod carefully recorded prime events added jesus life enhance message church gospel story similarity tale infant moses egypt highly device matthew prophetic artificial approval jesus surprising matthew conveniently neglects mention rest jeremiah quote children prophet speaks dead exiled assyrian empire comforts weeping rachel children returned gather back suit matthew purpose children speaks dead good prophecy matthew sets bothers check convincing nazarene chapter find matthean prophecy leaving egypt joseph wife infant jesus live city nazareth spoken prophets fulfilled called nazarene thing notice matthew mention prophet time messianic prophecies speaking nazarene worse prophecies period mentioning nazarene worse nazarenes mentioned testament book judges angel tells samson mother judges conceive bear razor tough head nazirite birth deliver israel hands philistines prophecy jesus messiah found matthew begun overboard paste prophecies simple making bearing diseases jesus healing people physical illnesses disabilities fulfil spoken prophet isaiah infirmities bore diseases expected verse quoted isaiah quoted context words skewed christian scheme surely suffering servant borne sickness carried pains reading surrounding passages isaiah prophet speaking present tense collective nation israel jehovah chosen servant people speaks israelites suffering exile voice gentile nations image deeply ingrained jewish identity image chastised cherished israel instrument nations salvation verses speak israel taking sicknesses literal metaphorical manifestations guilt discipline speak servant healing people notice servant isaiah takes sicknesses pains nations individual jews jesus diseases verses isaiah prophecy happened believed jesus eternal punishment hell bear illnesses healed figuratively jesus reenacted deeds israel spiritual atonement admit matthew parallel misses intended effect silent messiah healing multitudes commoners jesus ordered quiet presumable arouse attention local rulers fulfill spoken prophet isaiah behold servant chosen beloved soul pleased spirit announce justice gentiles wrangle aloud hear voice streets break bruised reed quench smoldering wick brings justice victory gentiles hope isaiah passage quoted reads behold servant uphold chosen soul delights spirit bring justice nations lift voice make heard street break bruised reed quench smoldering wick faithfully bring justice fail burn dimly discouraged bruised established justice earth coastlands await matthew conveniently left part passage suit dealings jesus christians jesus failing light mankind burn dimly servant nation israel gentiles embrace longer chosen people children ending phrase changed judaic coastlands await christologic gentiles hope original proclaims torah jehovah rewrites strange doctrine believing doubt servant referred jesus read chapter isaiah hear beloved blind imperfect servant people robbed plundered matthew attempt prophecy examined crumbles days nights prophecy supposedly uttered mouth jesus speaks crucifixion resurrection jonah belly whale days nights heart earth days nights discussion occur jews understood days names hours long lasting sunset sunset referred period light ending sunset time scale sabbath began friday evening lasted saturday evening jews celebrate sabbath daylight portion saturdays sundays real miracle christians forget saturday seventh week days nights referred hour daylight portions hour night periods spoken jesus grave hell unresurrected days nights good book tells jesus crucified ninth hour friday afternoon grave jesus left grave rose dawn call sunday dawn sabbath means jesus time clarity grave friday night time sunday morning time friday bible specific means jewish time grave nights possibly couple hours problem jesus prediction absolutely able death involve days nights modern time measurements suspect error matthew mistakes gospel writer false words mouth matter made prediction unconvincing counter convincing hearing understanding jesus tool habit speaking vast audiences parables stories deeper meaning found elect chosen understand message jesus reasons understand parables people understand bother accept plain message matthew audience fulfilled prophecy isaiah hear understand perceive people heart grown dull ears heavy hearing shut eyes perceive ears understand heart turn heal original isaiah passages part earlier works call ministry israel flourishing falls authority assyria isaiah sees good times ending vision calling bring reform israel judah people hear hear understand perceive make heart people make ears heavy shut eyes eyes hear ears understand hearts turn healed isaiah long lord cities waste inhabitant houses land utterly desolate forsaken places land tenth remain burned terebinth stump stands tree felled holy seed stump people israel stop listening prophet warnings reaffirms promise made solomon david seed lineage read rest isaiah find fulfil plan israel servant light nations isaiah matthew pasted portion isaiah verse suit gospel altered words make people understand jesus stories isaiah verses prophecies commands present matthew prophecy falls flat face matthew make jesus parables prophetic approval parable fulfil spoken prophet open mouth parables utter hidden foundation world matthew botches attempts quote prophet psalms open mouth parable utter dark sayings things heard things fathers told hide children coming generation glorious deeds lord pointed verses psalms prophet earlier copies matthew gospel inserted isaiah prophet apparently scribes caught error cover significant part matthew altered testament scriptures jesus earlier speaks parables understand parables psalms hidden speak things fathers told jesus deals things hidden foundation world jesus dealt secrecy confusion direct opposition parables psalms matthew rewrite matthew artificial prophecies fall flat face christians rarely matthew prophecies things christianity beginning excuses faith disciples able casting demons case knowing epilepsy people thought disease possesed demons disciples unable dispossess epileptic jesus enlightened reported rebuked faith strange demon special true believer faith apparently faith move mountains find days move real mountains parts seas miracles charismatics speak rumoured happen trips mexico faraway place major miracles making woman arthritis feel sunday morning gods including jesus shrouded ancient lore writings protected skeptics sacred pasts dead sleeping hiding heaven people rumouring imminent return great miracles days long life tales mystics stories miracles distant time distant place gods reveal days jehovah silent theologians give excuses anymore lazy zealous sinful plan demands appearance faith meet terms pious dear reader literally true presumptuous bold searching heart religions make people feel good content faith merit love people worship lives people change people lulled sleep satisfied turning everyday sights speaking people world good compassion human hearts love women forgiveness practised christian atheist alike beauty created mind things faith jesus rides shortly accepting role jewish messiah king jesus requests donkey brought ride jerusalem place fulfil spoken prophet daughter zion behold king coming humble mounted colt passage quoted zechariah reads differently king triumphant victorious humble riding colt command peace nations difference zechariah involves animal colt matthew reads poetic wording slightly differently jesus call colt adult matthew version comical picture divine christ sweating straddle donkeys inevitably lead theological proctological dilemma find account written earlier mark colt called brought jesus fits verses zechariah properly shows matthew attempt prophetic verses bungled excluding respectable christians noticed christ thought ridden asses situation reversed nowadays entering jerusalem temple priests angered people youngsters calling jesus messiah jesus replied expect matthew read mouth babes sucklings thou brought perfect praise matthew made response jesus point prophetic things expect quote error matthew track record jesus matthew haven read source reads psalms yahweh lord majestic world glory chanted heavens babes infants founded bulwark foes enemy avenger passages comment perfect praise spoken psalm praise messiah king jesus mentioned case matthew making convenient prophetic scripture yhvh lord jesus asked promised jewish messiah king descended jews agree king david jesus counters quoting psalms lord lord hand enemies feet face jesus denying necessity davidic descent assumes opposition answer christian answer agrees make hidden point reveal mystery divine nature messiah king tempting christian interested matters investigation problems jesus time psalm thought messiah easy david refer messiah superior scriptures messiah expected great king bringing jews times david rule jews listening good answer passage refer divine messiah christians worship problem lies meaning psalm error apparently jews jesus time made remember factions jews result expectations messiah king jesus apparently adventists audience thought messiah advent imminent interpreted psalms messianic problem psalm literally reads yhvh utterance lord hand make enemies footstool yhvh sends mighty scepter zion rule midst foes people offer freely lead host holy mountains priest order melchizedek forever word lord mistakenly capitalised christian bibles denote divinity lord hebrew word adoni capitalisation exists adoni simply means lord generic term scriptures refer kings address respect text imply word refers divinity messiah king supposed written david title psalm translates psalm david psalm david fitting assume written court poet david covenant endorsement psalm written david talking messiah idea perfect king descended david present david extensive tales david doings sayings include praises messiah psalms show evidence written long david dead times exile show favour david kingdom hold description psalm david david promised rise power victory enemies successful judgement nations conquered achieved priesthood common melchizedek righteous king enabled bless people fits blame problem matthew artificial prophecy alluded scripture questionable event common gospels matthew easily time interesting note matthew dresses event earlier gospel mark tells tale jesus simply speaking crowd matthew pharisees religious competition infant christianity target jesus question expect matthew writes event ends embarrassing pharisees power moses jesus leave gospel story matthew momentarily pseudo prophecy john gospel gospel story john deserves special treatment removed real events jesus career told matthew moment verse early church leaders founded religion jewish hopes messiah king artificial extension original promises made constructing history abraham moses wrote promise land nationhood jewish people accomplished eventually rule king david christians decided claim fulfillment promise expanded promise preaching heavenly kingdom john speaking father abraham rejoiced glad nice approval jesus abraham abraham knew jesus messiah christian failed find event testament corresponds john prophecy john making testament backings forerunner matthew christians faith foundations fraud surprising cling potter field told jesus betrayed jerusalem followers judas iscariot matthew writes throwing pieces silver temple judas departed chief priests taking silver lawful treasury blood money bought potter field bury strangers fulfilled spoken prophet jeremiah thirty pieces silver price price sons israel gave potter field lord directed prophecy utterly gross bastardisation testament scripture matthew made mistake prophet zechariah utters verses matthew makes zech weighed wages thirty shekels silver yhvh cast treasury lordly price paid thirty shekels silver cast treasury house yhvh verses zechariah deal betrayer messiah deal shepherd priest chosen serve function presiding people shortly send judah israel conflict word treasury replaced king james scholars potter precisely made matthew quote blatant error correct translation hebrew treasury makes perfect sense zechariah context potter field totally unrelated mistranslation intentional speculation matthew track record finds hard resist notion intentional dishonesty matthew ample reason altering text thirty pieces silver match judas situation christians reader disregard contextual incongruity matthew prophecy toss correct translation zechariah directly contradicts situation judas high priests high priests money treasury worthless shepherd zechariah opposite average thursday night bible student prophecy presented matthew testament face matthew work convincing wine vinegar casting lots jesus crucified gave vinegar drink mingled gall tasted drink crucified divided garments casting lots fulfilled spoken prophet parted garments vesture cast lots vinegar offered jesus common sour wine type roman soldiers drank regularly find jesus dies soldiers give drink polluted gall jesus thirst bowl vinegar stood sponge full vinegar hyssop held mouth received vinegar finished matthew drawing passage prophets psalms looked pity comforters found gave poison food gall meat thirst gave vinegar drink punishment punishment acquittal thee blotted book living sour wine offered jesus request drink show pity psalm quoted david political military enemies messiah jesus surprising problem jesus psalm asks damnation crucifiers jesus gospels jesus father forgive matthew misses attempt create prophecy gall bitter substance jesus drink meat psalm stipulates prophecy vinegar faulty naturally casting lots brings psalm deserves discussion suffice fact jesus clothes divided told great thing turns happened felon days erroneous passage psalm applied jesus bring interesting question quality jesus clothes removed worldly possessions ownership clothes worthy casting lots raises suspicions psalm psalm attributed david lament condition attack enemies song praise yhvh hope context parts plight jesus crucifixion examine primary passages verse forsaken helping words groaning answer night find rest jesus cried sentence cross suggests psalm jesus king david rest stanza nicely jesus execution jesus pictured complaining ordeal supposed lamb mute shearers jesus groaning cross night cross worm scorned mock make faces heads committed yhvh deliver delights jesus execution pretty exception holy messiah called worm bulls encompass open mouths widely ravening roaring lion dogs round company evildoers encir pierced hands feet bones divide garments cast lost raiment yhvh deliver soul sword life power save mouth lion afflicted soul horns wild bull convincing early christian fathers wrote prophecy thought prophecy fatal flaw words pierced exist psalm correct hebrew translation dogs round company evildoers encircles lion hands feet hebrew phrase lion rare verb form pierced differ phonetic character word hebrew text literally lion makes sense context fits animal imagery employed psalm writer convenience urge christian change word needed artificial weight prophecy christian translators chosen correct translation eliminate psalm referring jesus absence honesty translators erroneous verse psalm lend jesus easily verse speaks sufferer saved sword cross naturally fits psalm true subject king david side note crucifixions pierce hands palms forearms favour traditional thought resurrected jesus showing disciples scars palms facts bound religious beliefs matthew escapes culpability time attempt draw direct links psalm lord jesus psalm minds gospel writers compiled stories interpretations jesus life death scriptures contributed written question repercussions christian theology easy faithful fundamentalists events testament enhanced scribes eager matthew speculate simply investigate scriptural matters prophetic claims good things matthew reference piercing jesus crucifixion john gospel recount written years fact tells jesus execution soldiers pierced side spear blood water things place scripture fulfilled pierced built passage blatantly context prophet zechariah tells nation israel split jerusalem judah yhvh give victory judah seek destroy nations jerusalem judah pour spirit compassion supplication jerusalem pierced mourn weep bitterly weep firstborn child john attempt make prophecy weaker matthew attempts matthew excontexts passage john errors grossly obvious blatant speak gospel writers helps show prophetic aspects religion founded reckoned transgressors arrest jesus quickly executed claiming jewish kingship messiahship version gospel tale jesus executed thieves crucified robbers left scripture fulfilled reckoned transgressors mark link jesus passage isaiah servant nation israel passage messiah reads chapter isaiah surrounding chapters sees servant nation verses servant past prediction event servant thought criminal description jesus passage messiah clear executing jesus thieves fulfill prophecy isaiah jesus fittingly fulfill ministry considered blasphemer troublemaker career locking single event poor steal prophecy case mark made analogy general comparisons mark crucified jesus reviled expected couple robbers recount luke decides change things luke tells criminals hanged railed aren messiah save fits mark recount tells people crucified jesus save robbers luke criminal rebuked fear sentence condemnation justly receiving reward deeds wrong jesus remember kingdom jesus answered verily today paradise dialogue highly contrived stretches imagination picture ruffian rebuking fellow criminal eloquent speech strange picture criminal lamenting goodness punishment justness suffering apparently noble principle robber amount theatrics created luke luke recount disagrees mark luke criminal revile jesus easy discount discrepancy account made part error free words avenue open writer testament passage expand reinterpret suit theology case embroidery creates embarrassing problems world extraordinary embarrassing passages testament found synoptic gospel stories casts unfavourable doubt theory christianity jesus mentions destruction jewish temples buildings disciples world warning disciples temple destruction sign coming close jesus care leads astray christ hear wars rumours wars place nation rise nation beginning birthpangs deliver death false prophets arise lead astray endures saved gospel preached world testimony nations desolation spoken prophet daniel judea flee mountains immediately tribulation days darkened stars fall heaven sign heaven tribes earth mourn coming send angels gather elect learn lesson tree branch tender puts leaves summer things gate generation pass things place hour angels father ready coming hour expect clear jesus thought world lifetimes disciples tells exact hour ready theologians pants panic find holy error jesus made explicit told disciples generation prepare prepare swept resorted removing inerrant nature bible phrase generation pass means race people pass word generation times refer generation disciples interesting notion decided learn greek learn make clear obvious rest dialogue disciples supposed live world charge mistranslation completely blown apostles responses abundantly clear peter john jesus meant years christians rationalised chapter matthew meaning altogether years waited executed leader back hearing wars rumours wars coming surely wait imagine tired sitting holy waiting moment spring shortly crucifixion jesus nazareth joshua joseph died days days nights periods time eternal seconds decide makes trouble resurrected glowing divine radiance saviour decided interests religion stick disappeared sight heaven story things attributed jesus people writing gospel stories jesus fulfiller prophecy scripture matter shaky church history christians held fast faith simple belief doctrinal objections solved argumentation brute force faith forgetfulness question question investigate easiest treat matters years prophecies cited testament largely accepted things continue time pausing moment doctrines christianity accepted properly improperly support wars persecution suppose prophecy christianity securely hold jesus bring peace earth bring peace sword 
thoughts organization university adelaide lines distribution world nntp posting host adelphi adelaide keywords bissell bissda lawrence bissell writes start christian makes sense read tony campollo book liar lunatic real thing title writes book part effort destroy christianity process christian assume posting encourage comments history tony campello read arguements summing book jesus listen perspective gain listening good hear reasonable christians christian scientists note australia strong movement bunch christian scientists single event bible true rational explanation justified laws physics chaps prove universe years error conventional calculations result fact speed light rapidly decaying years accounted book jesus liar crazy modern koresh existed bible story intended manifesto billion people tony follow reasons liar people able liar people gathered gathered hearing healed millions people died point difficult substantiate defined great religious arguments work aztec warriors sacrificed gods belief bring victory spanish invaders list endless aztecs lost call fool heal people perfectly reasonable grounds christian point weight claim jesus real thing niether lunatic entire nation drawn crazy doubtful fact rediculous drawn david koresh fool logical people documentary rise nazi germany point tony mention call werner heisenberg colleagues fools illogical support hitler based presume emotional issue rational agreement principles argument invalid tony thought hitler sane liar lunatic real thing hmm arguments warrant things note fulfilled loads prophecies psalms isaiah betrayal crucifixion bible moment time write alot religious discussions people result quoting bible reasonable people bible treat stories sort metaphorical representation messages authors present interpret parts bible literally sorts shit tony argument perfectly reasonable people events bible place convince thinks bible total fiction jesus real quoting book totally pointless mathematics equal equal people understand christian possibly explain people killed religious wars hundreds versions claiming correct churches life total sacrafice sake loved save inspires turn lives tuff people real christian strong persevere weight lifting guitar playing drums takes time rush christianity life church week helping poor people time units work time sports social life boxes carried boxes created posted part religion flames understood emotional sentiments stranger interest people famous evils life polititians churchs rules fear living fear dead pressed find exact quotation cheers charles 
bible quiz organization stratus computer marlboro lines nntp posting host stratus article kellyb ctstateu wrote article cwru keith ryan writes starts orbit earth accept bible atheism trashing religions inbreeding witty file sums great deal atheistic thought simple sentence atheism religion steve mullins stratus empties purse opinions stratus opinions head benjamin franklin 
islam scientific predictions reply organization mayo foundation mayo graduate school rochester lines article navy khan navy umar khan writes strongly suggest book called bible quran science maurice baucaille french surgeon comprehensive researched imagine library interlibrary loan hold time read short baucaille began investigating bible ceived scientific inaccuracies inconsistencies assumed problems caused poor translations days read find hebrew greek aramaic found problems worse decided religions problems picked holy french found similar prob lems applied logoic bible learned read arabic problems found french version arabic unable find wealth scientific statements holy find made sense modern understanding investigated traditions hadith science filled science problems contemporary narratives time pour standards primitive world view conclusion impressed holy science accurate impressed holy rampant errors evidenced traditions century arabia include holy assuming authored short writer writers quran decided stay science open mouth foot mouth quran talk science make claims bobby great science quran basically religious texts supposed scientific treatises requesting theists stop making wild claims vinayak vinayak dutt mail standard disclaimers apply 
bible contradictions news software vnews nntp posting host utarlg organization university texas arlington lines list bible contadictions dispite free christianity versed bible 
years christian morality organization tektronix beaverton lines article cobb uiuc mike cobb writes bobbe robert beauchaine writes atheism based ignorance ignorance existence fall atheists pride mistake based ignorance wrong wrong fall trap mentioned wrong free time correct mistake continues supposedly proclaiming undying love eternal soul speaks volumes trap position motivations earnestly searched years found beauchaine bobbe queens stay blew bronx sank manhattan 
silly question tianity lines organization university utah computer center article rice peter walker writes rice peter walker subject silly question tianity date article werdna caltech andrew tong wrote 
islam scientific predictions organization university bradford lines newsreader version umar khan khan navy wrote strongly suggest book called bible quran science maurice baucaille french surgeon comprehensive unable find wealth scientific statements holy find made sense modern understanding investigated traditions hadith science filled science problems contemporary narratives time pour standards primitive world view conclusion impressed holy science accurate impressed holy rampant errors evidenced traditions century arabia include holy assuming authored book worth read view issue book sections section fairly reasonable analysis bible showing inconsistencies bible modern science surprises section analyses koran version testament stories face present good case showing koran consistent modern science plain consistency vague phraseology koran flood bible full detail forty days forty nights pair animal nonsense koran description event obscure make interpretation river flooded days caused damage contradiction fact koran consistent modern science consistent vagueness compared books time achievement book concludes koran divine inspiration time written ridiculous ideas universe found koran arguing greatness book talking absurd extreme memory missed points leonard mail newnham 
bible abortion organization louisiana tech university lines distribution world local nntp posting host engr latech newsreader version james lippard lippard ccit arizona wrote exodus struggle strike woman child miscarriage injury surely fined woman husband demand judges decide injury appoint penalty life life tooth tooth hand hand foot foot burn burn wound wound bruise bruise straightforward interpretation verses fight strike woman miscarry penalty fine woman injured dies talionis doctrine applies jewish interpretation supported jewish commentaries verses embarrassment lifer christians alternate explanation alternative interprets word miscarriage premature birth child born alive injury injury woman fetus straightforward interpretation supported jewish commentaries appeared supported part bible historical reference abortion time ancient reference understand abortion making point veiled question understanding medical procedure abortion surprising bible makes reference makes reference nuclear power contamination interpretation reasonable reason reject hand king jimmy translation mischief necessarily imply woman wife expecting spontaneously abort feel life simply process halted 
hell lines blashephemers hell believing prepared eternal damnation 
rushdie islamic nntp posting host nstlm organization bell northern research ottawa canada lines article jaeger gregg jaeger wrote khomeini advocates view series twelve islamic leaders twelve imams free error makes heretic quicker point heresy church middle ages sheiks azhar claim ites heretics accusations fabrications ites saudi arabia wahabis matter read original works sunni imams imams madhabs teacher imam jafar sadiq sixth imam ites plenty false propaganda floating ites revolution good works ites present views teachings school make assumptions allegations people group islam general ites 
note bobby nntp posting host organization department computer science warwick university england lines article mozumder writes people religous city people care religion crime murder lack religion wrong happen lived tokyo year half reasons intend back indefinitely freedom enjoys walk time night feel uneasy ethnic minority clues bobby bother tokyo city tokyo city negligible level violent crime street murder lead item national news population universally atheistic time stroll beirut night compares bobby mozumder cheers simon simon clippingdale simon warwick department computer science university warwick coventry 
islam clearer view lines organization walla walla college lines article benedikt rosenau writes benedikt rosenau subject islam clearer view date article healta tammy healy writes generally accepted rise inquisition reason torture introduced romanic countries middle ages words holy mother church lead infallibly holy ghost spread roman catholic church claims lead infallable pope church wicked things xtians believers alike rationale pope speaking cathedra infallible based claim dogma pope jesuitic origin accepted century benedikt enlightening tammy 
cannanite genocide bible lines organization walla walla college lines excuse ignorance remember reading biblical tribe philistines exists modern palestinians info post tammy 
point lines organization walla walla college lines readers asked post list church fundamental beliefs warn long list post sunday sabbath coming reading saturday time greatly touch hope reastful relaxing weekend hope tammy 
inimitable rushdie anecdote islam organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article jaeger gregg jaeger wrote precise rejection leaving islam perfectly free muslim doubt question existence long reject rushdie made atheism clear front sufficient number proper witnesses question regard legal issue status time crime committed gregg rushdie left normal life words islam support notion forgiving cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
inimitable rushdie anecdote islam distribution world public organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article jaeger gregg jaeger wrote stated parallel thread anarchist islam anarchist control change fact citizens residing violation islamic interesting notion scared case finnish citizen live conform laws finnish government actively checking country words checking conform finnish laws islamic curse world shades cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
objective morality keith caltech keith allan schneider wrote type morality talking natural sense immoral harm species long adversely affect guess hehehe objective morality somehere tells case rules transcendental game systems cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
free moral agency kent organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article healta tammy healy wrote time ezekiel written israel apostacy mistaken tyre make israel prince tyre human ruler tyre wicked calling satan king tyre ezekiel satan real ruler tyre tammy explicitly stated bible assume ezekiel indirectly mentioned metaphor instance ezekiel landlord talked wrote prince tyre interpretation mundane ezekiel wrote prince tyre wrote prince tyre cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
skeptic religion atheism organization motorola austin lines nntp posting host thug article john johnson writes standard groups talk conform stricter rules established show volume postings cease exist groups reach sites usenet groups posted opinion mathew suggestion atheism verge garbage postings fundies elevating status standard group volume postings make unreadable tend agree started watched grow roots talk religion misc atheists forward past trash xians stable core frankly feeling group mainstream places fucking fundy loonie freshman dumping find jeesus warn hell real brother imagine imbecilic tirades time post selfish find learn browns boobys distraction bring leavening needed offset greatly fear mainstreaming basically swamping level conners world dewey henize admin risc hardware pager 
inimitable rushdie organization motorola austin lines nntp posting host rtfm part gregg understand posts giving support bounty rushdie life correct point gregg concept legal westerners accept comments islamic make great deal sense making sense person member group religion bind follow ways group bounds group requires minimum bone contention picking west secular governments maintain level control requirements requirements optional groups majority reading thread tune note agreement idea finally responsible secular government group groups person chosen mind secular legally people define term hold person group decide separate secular authorities agree requirement sort contractual secular enforcement allowed group group member past group member religion require additional duties group member enforce fulfillment duties ways ostracism common limit enforcement impose unwanted unaccepted onus person conflict secular difference theocracy requirements secular authorities definition congruent religious authorities theocracy necessarily true religious requirements coincide similiarly religious consequences coincide secular consequences dewey henize admin risc hardware pager 
rushdie islamic organization motorola austin lines nntp posting host rtfm article rashid writes deletions fatwa levelled person rushdie actions rushdie feed situation contribute legitimization ruling book remains circulation independant author publishers fatwa person rushdie encompasses actions crime crime progress levels played played full view media charge shatim applies rushdie encompassed umbrella fasad ruling grounded firmly islam claim exposed islam grounds terrorism plain simple rushdie acted total jerk acceptable civilized basis putting fear life words simply matter underlying motive find worst insult muslims beliefs threaten life words simply admit backruptcy position support threatening life words civilized people depart respecting religions beliefs encourage interpretation killing physical opposition privledged rushdie bush hussien whover pale civilized society condemn soul refuse members association interact peacably demonstrate convince disassociate miscreants short physical force physically threaten support physical threats closer earlier comparison rape rapist whines asked dressed blaming victim unable civilized dewey henize admin risc hardware pager 
nicknames summary member organization salvation army draft board lines article nanci miller writes jcopelan writes official keeper list nicknames people atheism didn list awarded nickname buckminster time post article sign nickname dave buckminster fuller humor means copeland list agree nickname laws laid gipu years written iron tablets melted reinscribed prophet gipu decree post list nicknames frequent posters rule humor rule explain things worse joke explained spite requests post list nicknames admit list exists simply plot device keeper list make obvious play fuller advance idea list made assumed timers recognize list nicknames atheism posters good post start posters annoy bobby bill broke rule humor copeland dead actor plays part sting words fear find place heart history voice reason faith curse teach freedom past things worse 
death penalty gulf lines article mathew writes rush stanford voelkerding writes article chrisb chris blask writes outrageous cost putting death special cell block years court costs extra guards benefits death penalty disappear earlier claim innocent death overrides benefit tragic argument death penalty worried accidentally killing civilians time determination enemy imperfect fortunately thinking folks good power deemed acceptable slaughter tens hundreds thousands iraqis order liberate hkuwait hurrah hurrah number civilian iraqi deaths exaggerated exploited anti emotionalism liberal news media facts iraqis died gulf civilians comparable size century short duration coupled precise surgical bombing techniques technically recently idea hundreds thousands iraqi citizens died ludicrous hundreds thousands iraqi soldiers died targeted allies specifically kill maim iraqi civilians smart bombs targets targeting civilian targets condusive destroying iraq military potential military mission planners fools military targets hitting civilian targets unite people laudable goal people rise tyrant dictator innocent people died unarmed civilians fleeing road bombed bits half face burned mangled legs guilty worth death innocents save hlives kuwaiti people iraqis chance vote saddam showed acceptance regime assassinating surrendering fleeing open roads devious ploy rights bomb case finding soldiers innocent people died blanket bombing hear bemoaning exact science smart bombs exact smaller percentage civilian casualties mistakes made targets misidentified innocents alternative tyrannical dictators treat earth rummage sale grabbing worse patrick henry years give liberty give death price wishes stay free death penalty conceived deterrent crime legal shenanigans added automatic appeals lengthy court battles relegated purpose small part question instate death penalty meant deters crime reinstate death penalty shit fair trials court appeals justice give police absolute guilty save expense lawyers knock benefits spend money cleaning riots holding showcase trials cops allowed properly quick bullet head rodney king cameraman saved great deal unnecessary paperwork expense police decide guilty fact death penalty shown deterrent effect imprisonment irrelevant mathew mathew sarcasm noted completely base sounding complete peace idiot feel intent iraqi wrong appeasement worked guess fought innocent german civilians killed dresden hamburg poor french died crossfire invaded continent hitler europe speaking german english tyrants hussein stopped kind understand diplomacy understand point regret bush wimped military roll baghdad hussein power iraqi people sacrifice mention americans died naught liberating kuwait good thing wiping hussein poor poor rodney king stop jury trial brought back verdict guilty foaming mouth blood policemen looked video tape jury looked evidence evidence makes judgment benefit trial evidence presented sides simply lowered level vigilante justice state mind sarcasm seemingly spoke support case policemen country intended protect rights accused criminals cops found guilty reasonable doubt guilt jury position assess evidence render verdict simply succumbing verbal vigilantism 
inimitable rushdie kmagnacca wesleyan organization wesleyan university nntp posting host wesleyan lines article jaeger gregg jaeger writes article andrews norman paterson writes germany daughter born german rights vote live rights citizens british citizen virtue parentage full citizenship children british virtue fairly obtain citizenship making application require immigration germany applied citizenship inevitable case nope germany extremely restrictive citizenship laws ethnic germans lived russia years automatically citizens move germany turks generation germany good show citizenship descent karl lastly china hope touch fulfilling lifelong ambition life dropping acid great wall duke pink floyd billion people 
hell reply message organization compaq computer corp lines blashephemers hell believing prepared eternal damnation lunch travel scrabble couple kegs bass mccreary compaq laughter 
inimitable rushdie organization boston university physics department lines article benedikt rosenau writes assume religious followers religion begs question religion define follower offenders disagree religious applies categorized belonging religion event judged applies prevents situations member religion charged claims member religion free happened gregg 
anecdote islam organization boston university physics department lines article benedikt rosenau writes article jaeger gregg jaeger writes brutal system filtered leniency lenient rate public floggings floggings chopping hands heads body parts stoning problem floggings offenders chance change behavior floggings problem maiming general means opinion maimed maimed case rape victim maimed physically emotionally problem maiming rapists problem maiming murderers opinion muslim rape murder dealt lightly interested leniency leniency sake apparently people simply told thing simple chance misjudgements misjudgments avoided suspect pretty requirement repeated offenses misjudgments orient place single character ignorance exposes nicely read carefully orient shows primitive machism specific words orient mind sufficient information detail europe shows civilized bullshit bullshit time shut substantiated blabbering islamists talk west great satan guilty stupidities love compare lines common plea fellow believers call names case substantiate quran beats wife submission care give chapter verse discuss primitive machism refers misspelt fault orient islam expresses extramarital extramarital subset suppressedin islam marial sexis allowed encouraged islam branches christianity misses point read part urge religions telling people piece cake reasons suppressing strong urge strong measures business thought make argument reading opinions argument doubt validity premises change criticize time shut argument religions suppress irrelevant argument generalize objective statement fine response reason statement business religion arguments urge adolescents strong overly strong measures required suppress urge strong adult adult make commensurate effort find marriage partner gregg 
free moral agency originator news nntp posting host phoenix princeton reply qpliu organization princeton university lines article cwru keith ryan writes article qpliu princeton writes faith gift obedience makes faith makes obeying believing wondering obedient idea obedient written wholly babble users guide invisible pink unicorns granted faith invisible pink unicorns read babble obey written obey written babble granted faith invisible pink unicorns obeying written babble leads believing invisible pink unicorns essentially invisible pink unicorns circular reasoning begs question makes obeying believing qpliu standard opinion opinions delta correlated 
rushdie islamic organization boston university physics department lines article rashid writes twelve imams considered incapable error khomeini supports view twelve imans heresy reasons gave happy discuss issue imams preference move discussion newsgroup feel philosophy religion group reading group benefit knowing deviant view articulated true view khomeini basic principles islam muslim readers group simple basics islam views face contradiction basics islam subtle issues sects exist islam explicitly proscribed topic deeply embedded world view islam esoteric teachings prophet heresy enter islam exoteric religion nominally concerned metaphysical substance nature opinion human substance metaphysical fundamentally human heretical notion proscribed islam posts fairly versed sunni thought seek thought knowledgeable authors respect charge heresy levelled absolutely interested discussing privately interested hearing make concept error free sinless human beings philosophically consistent teachings prima facie attemptsa highly susceptible degenerating monkery explicitly proscribed salaam laikum alaikum wassalam gregg 
koresh reply nntp posting host organization kupajava east krakatoa mailer psilink lines date mathew latest news koresh give finished writing sequel bible mathew writing seals lines written pages handed assistant proofreading expect decent messiah built spellchecker koresh 
islam scientific predictions reply nntp posting host organization kupajava east krakatoa mailer psilink lines date umar khan conclusion impressed holy science accurate impressed holy rampant errors evidenced traditions century arabia include holy assuming authored folks religion islam loosened discussing topic banking interest topic books subject mentioned addition mentioned hard find stab curiosity film subject pretty weak quotes show science koran posted pretty vague suspect books extrapolate awful quotes poster islam channel misgivings practice koran decide good science islam equivalent christians creation science topic interesting find history scientific interpretations koran koran support earlier science discarded easy science exists today interpret passages match findings people similar things sayings nostradamus time unique claim islam worth checking 
keith relativist organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host punisher caltech unisa desert brat writes keith start waffling human maul thrown cage speak start posting tome decent evidence retract absolute morality blurb weeks claim absolute morality objective keith 
chimps failed evolve cooperative behaviour died left evolve behaviour chance entire point proclaim natural morality time organism evolves cooperative behaviour natural morality morality developed naturally natural morality dance keith 
objective morality type morality talking natural sense immoral harm species long adversely affect guess hehehe objective morality somehere tells case rules transcendental game systems objective system talking goal brand morality talking keith 
rushdie islamic keywords slander calumny organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host carson washington article rashid writes article jmunch elee calpoly john munch wrote article rashid writes charge shatim applies rushdie encompassed umbrella fasad ruling define words shatim fasad apologies shatim refers slandering spreading slander lies prophets prophets basically prophet dealt busy hawking stolen merchandise selling swampland house lots florida hear stories sexual abuse prophets families victims paid quiet kind willful caulmny cursing word explanation head technical definition time mind chevelle bought dude guessed prophet named mohammed days tranny kicks manny mechanic tells loaded sawdust guess mohammed found fasad difficult describe technical definition literally mohammed word fasad means mischief mischief order magnitude word corruption wrong begin seeks escalate hurt yeah mohammed disorder concern harm mischief initially caused actions wrong specifically related attacks messenger mischief corruption disorder slimy mass pond scum resulting attack physical attack levels penalty proscribed depending extent mischief person persons sought make situation severest punishment death yeah watching butt buddy allah stereo sold croaked days grass yeah 
cruel spent time wording constitution picked words meanings implied intent looked dictionary define word sufficient question founding fathers cruel unusual punishment hanging hanging slowing strangled painful physically psychologicall imagine hangings quick imagine painless firing squad note clean back days considered cruel definition allowed constitution founding fathers hangings firing squads allowed today things considered cruel surely medical execution painless keith 
cruel spent time wording constitution realise widely held belief america fact clause cruel unusual punishments rest lifted english bill rights wording spend time wording looked dictionary define word sufficient dictionary lack mercy intent inflict injury grief counted cruel people cruel punishments keith 
inimitable rushdie organization case western reserve university lines nntp posting host student cwru article jaeger gregg jaeger writes religious applies categorized belonging religion event judged applies categorizing cheat hillary john laws local reprehensitive extolling traditional family values 
cruel keith caltech keith allan schneider writes hanging hanging slowing strangled painful physically psychologicall imagine hangings quick imagine painless misnomer firing squad note clean back days considered cruel definition allowed constitution founding fathers hangings firing squads allowed today things considered cruel surely medical execution painless shows painful execution considered cruel unusual punishment shows cruel constitution refer punishment physical pain meaning cheat hillary john laws local reprehensitive extolling traditional family values 
nonexistance atheists reply halat bears halat lines article kutluk umist kutluk ozguven writes atheists mentioned quran quranic point view minute reasoning thing guess scientists mentioned stock brokers television repairmen precious deep brainwashing childhood takes progress religion cleans substantial part reasoning neurons mind exist halat 
anecdote islam organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article jaeger gregg jaeger writes deletion rape murder dealt lightly interested leniency leniency sake apparently people simply told thing straw brought leniency simple chance misjudgements misjudgments avoided suspect pretty requirement repeated offenses misjudgments assuming misjudgements correlated deletion love compare lines common plea fellow believers call names case substantiate quran beats wife submission care give chapter verse discuss discussed chapter verse cited assume exact quran consequences shown primitive machism refers misspelt fault orient claimed sufficient argument male dominated societies qualify machistic situation women sufficeint areas orient deletion argument religions suppress irrelevant argument generalize objective statement fine response reason statement business religion arguments urge adolescents strong overly strong measures required suppress urge strong adult adult make commensurate effort find marriage partner apparently trouble reading things point wishes strong desire marriage herring homosexuals simply ignore world situation adolescents combination leniency maiming mind overly strong measures suppress urge adolescents benedikt 
inimitable rushdie organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article kmagnacca wesleyan writes deletion nope germany extremely restrictive citizenship laws ethnic germans lived russia years automatically citizens move germany turks generation germany wrong benedikt 
satanic organization maryland dept computer science coll lines livesey writes read papers qumram texts versions texts misunderstand reading newspapers learn kind stuff idea world newspaper reporters notoriously ignorant subject religion prone exaggeration interests real story bigger headline back point masoretic text targums translations commentaries aramaic septuagint ancient greek translation masoretic text standard jewish text essentially vary places obvious corruptions copied faithfully copy copy passages past interpreted reference targums septuagint septuagint differs masoretic text particulars includes additional texts passages variant readings masoretic text addition fixing predating corrupted passages emphasized knowledge variations signifcant bible scholars theological import dead scroll materials ancient copy isaiah fragments sizes books abundance material sign hebrew antecdent apocrypha extra texts septuagint analysis proceeded variations texts masoretic versions tend reflect septuagint error differences significant theologically expectation great theological surprises lurking material happened important textual tradition unlike wingate peace peace strife closed mangoe brothers pray thing tove mangoe marv lous peace 
years christian morality organization netcom jose california lines frank uucp frank dwyer writes fischer writes frank uucp frank dwyer writes questions subjectivists relativists nihilists idea relativism objectivism degree relativism accurate decription truth objectivism power ability control events lose talk truth values relative accuracy judgement agree substance clear values objective truth falsehood peace education ignorance things agree generally held good things question close objective values time viewed undesirable doubt universally good referred truth term hypothetically realizing full thing assuming moment morals relative relativists recognize lock absolute truth proceed negotiate workable compromise produces desired results acknowledge front desired results exist meaning compromise problems relativists values common compromise impossible relativist compromise plant bombs crowded shopping areas morals relative values meaningfully incorrect true personal morals thing notably lacking extremists sense personal accountability justification socially unacceptable behaviour invariably higher authority absolute moral truth assuming absolute morality disagreeing objectivists wrong room compromise beleive absolute morals accept amoral disagrees amoral untrue accept truth part objective truth morality flexibility rigidity compromise believing lock morals objective reality claiming mechanism quantum collapse shot objective truth objective truth interesting notion morals belief compromise good compromise absolute truth people successfully suppose hold compromise absolute moral insists compromise compromise compromising choice peaceful compromise endless contention compromise agree bloody pointless speak matter taste liking peace founded liking cream question relativism invariably relative thing morals consequences people aspects justify desired action belief justifying commitement peace argue lets people live long healthy peaceful lives true incomplete ignoring benefits killing agressive member society trimming population stimulating production equation complex presented characterize relative morals conscience desires unduly simplify fischer convictions dangerous enemies truth lies friedrich nietzsche 
islamic banks slavery reply organization mayo foundation mayo graduate school rochester lines article monash darice monash fred rice writes vinayak dutt writes calling interest deposits call returns investements calling loans call investing business words floating stocks company interest return investment thing return investment greater risk return amount money make lose money difference risk loss shared investor practically risk borrower borrower borrows bank stocks call investor stocks banker choice relabeling make interest free relabeling explained relabeling interest free investor taking money dividend investment ofcourse investor islamic banking called bank taking risk usual bank thing back return heard junk bonds vinayak vinayak dutt mail standard disclaimers apply 
stinking subjects disclaimer public access unix system university denver denver community university control responsibility opinions users organization loyal order keiths lines article keith caltech keith allan schneider writes kcochran keith justified ancient cochran writes keith caltech keith allan schneider writes kcochran keith justified ancient cochran writes claim prove cold fusion provided examples show trend general provided counterexamples surrounding mating practices cases disprove general trend natural morality mating practices reexamined mind made explain differences statistically insignificant find immoral mating related activities excluding mating related activities natural morality mating practices special case explain inconsistancies theory special case natural system objectively deduced goal species propogation mind equating objective system necessarily natural wrote natural moral system objective moral system animals follow natural system objective objective systems natural terms equated natural system subset objective equated read words homosexuality observed animals including birds dolphins claim animals capacity immoral claim homosexuality immoral harmful helpful mating process homosexuality observed animal kingdom bisexuality study release found female seagulls lesbians goals inherent postulates determine argued arise natural goal removed postulate assume posit goals inherent create theory postulate revolves earth moon made green cheese stars portions angels intrudes dimensional reality contradict observations apply sentence theory notice contridicting observations build mathematical proof postulate length side triangle length side triangle degree angle connecting determine length side postulate generally found true postulate valid math ability determine length side triangle fundemental geometry guess people receptive order assume system able show postulates work goals survival happiness work good goals goals postulates goals objective natural morality system proposing survival species homosexuality immoral kcochran tsakc thoughts posts ideas responsibility beer pizza 
years christian morality organization unorganized usenet postings uninc lines reply frank uucp message news reader news frank uucp writes attempting define objective morality wild guess freedom objectively valuable base assumption world deprived utterly freedom contrary volition complain long freedom valuable thing people real people agree freedom subjectively valuable good nice starting point moral system universal objective assert freedom valuable absurd assert raining rainy sahara disclaimer great young insane 
keith caltech keith allan schneider writes kcochran keith justified ancient cochran writes schneider natural morality specifically thought code ethics species developed order survive wait talking ethics morals distinction important countless times animal kingdom natural system basis system moral system mimic natural number ways describe number ways detail explain contradictions arise order humans thrive live groups problem wrong highlighted word wrong humans survive long time wild difficult humans social animal success define difficult order group function effectively sort ethical code statement correct explain laws america stating drive hand side road pointing species conduct serves propogate give tautology show examples moral systems goal propogation species goal natural system morality lives monagamous relationship moral order ensure propogation species impregnate women noted earlier lack mating abstinence homosexuality destructive system worst neutral member species homosexual destructive survival species matter herds horses dominate stallion mates dies killed dominate stallion mates case natural system morality shoot figurative foot mating practices reexamined theory reexamined kcochran tsakc thoughts posts ideas responsibility beer pizza 
years christian morality originator news nntp posting host phoenix princeton organization princeton university lines article halat bears halat writes article frank uucp frank dwyer writes firstly science basis values round explain objective atoms subjective values atoms objective real scientists call atom mathematical model describes physical observable properties surroundings subjective rest deleted liberal arts major weren tcha guess photo smallest logo world made noble atoms krypton xenon forget specifics atoms trees electrons independently observable verifiable morals aren difference love brown tend warm deep sensitive desires partners hour thing snuggling fire walking rain catching snowflakes tongue real turn lover brown becka 
death penalty political atheists ssauyet wesleyan scott sauyet distribution world organization wesleyan university nntp posting host wesleyan news reader news reply jbrown message mstlines lines jbrown writes responding dave official nickname fuller death penalty deterrent dave person executed commit crime guaranteed means effective anti recidivism measure deters individual committing capital crime place true question threat death stop murdering commiting treason capital crimes death penalty introduction deter criminal committing crime doubt step strong deterrent short complete deterrent reject case innocent executed eliminate possibility reject death penalty immoral makes radical issue opponents captial punishment agree find innocent executed strongest argument make magically charge facilitate state aided suicide criminals life sentences replacement capital punishment live rest lives jail option scott sauyet ssauyet wesleyan 
years christian morality organization unorganized usenet postings uninc lines reply cobb uiuc message news reader news cobb uiuc writes society good reason rape murder consistent position hold wrong basis morality societal norms current legalities basis surprise surprise bible inherent moral abhorrences inherently abhorrent effect things repulsive bunch people agree deemed absolutely immoral forever period nice extent agree agree things inherently absolutely immoral labeled immoral good reason reason theoretically change label vague head defend humans similarly made falls trap creation doesn humans extent similar belong species species evolved story altogether extent evolution lend credence moral absolutism flavour arguments exhibit trust goodness love respect courage honesty society deceipt hatred disrespect cowardness dishonesty morality society alive kicking point societies alike moralities thesis hold created similarly similar identical makes unfalsifiable thesis work punt fellow theists falsifiable finding someoe created real world disclaimer great young insane 
rushdie islamic organization boston university physics department lines article livesey livesey writes article jaeger gregg jaeger writes hope islamic bank bcci ripped small depositors muslim community grow childish propagandist gregg pointed practice things wonderful utopia folks claim upsets thing bbci islamically owned operated bank real islamic owners operators islamic bank bank operates rules islam regard banking explicitly bank case bcci naive depositors life savings bcci nasty interest motivated western bank street crap bcci motivated motives international banks emphasis dealing outlaws intelligence services governments thinking work time back childish propaganda life wasting bandwith empty typing thousands islamic banks operating world hears talk corrupted banks talk people robbed american banks gregg 
inimitable rushdie organization boston university physics department lines article jimh washington james hogan writes senses accept knowing wisdom power quran allah allah drops congratulate wise choice allah rolls bones allah crisco bends invites spin block realize allah commitment ready programming gotta call thinking renounce islam loyalty reading russell hoban hemingway imitators imitate aspects writing hoban doubt gregg 
years christian morality reply warren vonroeschlaub organization ministry silly walks lines article cobb uiuc mike cobb writes salem stanford bruce salem writes article cobb uiuc mike cobb writes theory creationism theistic view theory creationism stated genesis beginning created heavens earth wonderful alittle imaginative thinking imaginative thinking world existed forever created endless supply energy spontaneous generation life life make wise knowing imaginative theory warren kurt vonroeschlaub iowa state university math department carver hall ames 
hell reply message organization unorganized usenet postings uninc news reader news lines writes cares fellow wrote psuvm possibly importance disperse smileys longer offended disclaimer great young insane 
inimitable rushdie anecdote islam organization case western reserve university lines distribution world public nntp posting host student cwru article jaeger gregg jaeger writes allowed leave domain authority free leave islam islamic curse leaving islam death cheat hillary john laws local reprehensitive extolling traditional family values 
death penalty political atheists organization case western reserve university lines nntp posting host student cwru article mccullou wisc mark mccullough writes exagerate point libel gave unpopular reasons deliberately iraq absorb kuwait make tired poland comparison heard principle aplies play chamberlain roll country invaded invites invasions supported genocidist provided weapon systems tactical support technology made suddam hussein bush call ally freind cheat hillary john laws local reprehensitive extolling traditional family values 
hell organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article andrew newell writes article writes blashephemers hell believing prepared eternal damnation readers group convenient real start letters sysadmin real jeremy scott noonan vmoper authority email postmast bitnet rfowles wverity admins node idea operator benedikt 
inimitable rushdie anecdote islam organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article jaeger gregg jaeger writes deletion central aspect islam show mercy give wrong presuming rushdie violate islamic committed crimes basis posts leniency penetrated benedikt skull demanded harsh punishments crimes repeating offenders slipped justification harsh punishment typically religious doublespeak contradictory statements choose possibility suits current argument disgusting ideas make theodore kkaldis feel cozy protection religion gregg kill idolaters benedikt 
islam scientific predictions genocide caused atheism organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article darice monash fred rice writes almighty created night earth celetial bodies swim rounded holy quran agrees ptolemic system earth centre planets orbitting round copernicus gallileo wrong read carefully circling moving circles evidence rounded general sense wishy washy statements scientific benedikt 
wholly babble free moral agency organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article robert knowles writes deletion book subgenius collection writings site benedikt 
call presentations navy sciviz seminar article oasys expires reply lipman navy robert lipman distribution organization carderock division nswc bethesda lines call presentations navy scientific visualization virtual reality seminar tuesday june carderock division naval surface warfare center david taylor research center bethesda maryland sponsor ness navy engineering software system sponsoring navy scientific visualization virtual reality seminar purpose seminar present exchange information navy related scientific visualization virtual reality programs research developments applications presentations presentations solicited aspects navy related scientific visualization virtual reality current work works progress proposed work navy organizations considered types presentations regular presentation minutes length short presentation minutes length video presentation stand videotape author attend seminar scientific visualization virtual reality demonstration byoh accepted presentations published proceedings viewgraphs materials reproduced seminar attendees abstracts authors submit page abstract videotape robert lipman naval surface warfare center carderock division code bethesda maryland voice mail lipman navy authors include type presentation affiliations addresses telephone numbers addresses multi author papers designate point contact deadlines abstact submission deadline april notification acceptance materials reproduction received june information contact robert lipman address distribute widely robert lipman internet lipman navy david taylor model basin cdnswc navy computational signatures voicenet structures group code factsnet bethesda maryland phishnet stockings legs sixth sick shiek sixth sheep sick 
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dmorph article snoopy pqlhninn organization univ florida dept lines nntp posting host coconut article armstrong writes dmorph dmorf dave morph means dtax dave assembler msdos uploads directory wuarchive arjed bundled respective xmemory versions dmorfx dtax find version aaplay view files create dtax downloaded bunch week morphing afternoons programmes buggy ready spread masses written interface frustrating easy figure tricks noticed dmorfx crash horribly morph splines option source written hints thing work hours time figure durned splines work ryan 
voice input vendor information needed reply virginia kenneth hinckley organization university virginia lines voice input capability user interface developing unix workstation greatly information care offer voice input systems easily accessible unix environment names adresses applicable vendors experiences specific systems helpful respond email post summary sufficient interest found impressive systems avoid hassle purchasing maintaining separate hinckley university virginia neurosurgical visualization laboratory 
find sipp organization edmonton remote systems edmonton canada lines recently file describing library rendering routines called sipp simple polygon processor source code newest version renderman wondering renderman sipp library rendering routines make program creates image tham tham joth edmonton 
million thousand colors organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host punisher caltech chalmers henrik harmsen writes bits horrible machbanding visible picture bits colors visible machbanding color gradient picture machbanding color resolution small machbanding smooth color gradient picture situiations visible mach banding card create smooth color gradient dark green white yellow turn contrast monitor mach banding damn henrik attempt helpful common misconception corrected mach banding occur image color quantization bits human response transitions edges intensities result colors transistion brighter brighter side darker darker side andre andre andrey caltech 
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renderman language wanted reply alex organization unknown lines pixar renderman scene description language creating worlds renderman library documentation nextstep version renderman create complicated scenes render surface shaders bring life applying shadows reflections understand define environmental shadows maps produce reflections shadows advises simple examples appreciated advance alex kolesov moscow russia talus imaging communications corporation mail mail accepted 
gray levels screen nntp posting host pocomoco reply rowlands rowlands organization texas instruments spdc technology branch dallas lines article kouhia juhana writes article hollasch steve hollasch writes proposal work extra extra bits color resolution display chould full intensity primary great equivalent photographs suggested wrote problems problem visible images mention images description experiment deleted images viewed quickly sync screen intensities dunno deleted case black color slow machines problem screens render pixels constant time recall double buffer image color dump photos screen level code years friend grey level photos screen method displaying levels synchronized display seconds experimenting aperture settings screen brightnesses found range worked giving respectable contrast quality images pretty good visible contrast bands minimize exposure time display program built frames contained pixels pixels frames stored sparse data structure fast screen sequence creating frames minutes camera shutter closed time wrote directly screen memory culpa biggest problem small images displayed left corner screen center extra week film developed printed processors trouble manually move images center print guessed rowlands 
gray levels screen organization university alabama birmingham lines article rowlands rowlands writes years friend grey level photos screen method displaying levels synchronized display seconds create grey level images display time slices requires total exposure time precision timing drastically reduces image preparation time kenneth sloan computer information sciences sloan university alabama birmingham campbell hall station birmingham 
rumours nntp posting host emerald organization philips interactive media america lines article erik erik fortune writes agree horsepower horsepower measurement full motion full screen video starting quarter multiplayer manufactured panasonic late year number manufacturers reported compatible boxes works manufacturers date information hand worth paid hand hard future sonderen philips interactive media 
visuallib graphics windows organization information technology institute national computer board singapore lines graphics library runs windows libraries visuallib require graphics cards visuallib metaware high compiler email contact author visuallib appreciated chua teck information technology institute email teckjoo science park drive phone singapore 
graphics library package article ncsu organization computer technologies theme program ncsu raleigh lines recommandation good royalty free graphics library package program write children games education software heard mentioned genus good pardon question sounds strange question friend advance caroline tsang 
rumours article netcom bprofanec organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article aimla sonderen writes article erik erik fortune writes agree horsepower horsepower measurement full motion full screen video starting quarter multiplayer manufactured panasonic late year number manufacturers reported compatible boxes works manufacturers date marketing recently offered phillips marketing boxes market schedule phillips declined knew players production manufacturing runs months commercial release date time commercial release manufacturers players announced possibly tooling production chip sets full production number software companies designing titles road headquarters week folks bullshitting loudly company business information hand worth paid hand hard future sonderen philips interactive media impartial source 
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graphics packages organization carelcomp lines nntp posting host tahko carel keywords graphics good graphics packages hewlett packards starbase good support output devices plotters terminals xgks distribution implementation phigs work require output devices windows salesman familiar graphics expecting good solutions suutari carelcomp lappeenranta finland 
hardcopy colored window keywords color hardcopy print nntp posting host organization university amsterdam lines mars martin stein writes dist programs tools print hardcopies colored windows problem version louzy output hardcopy grainy pnmtops takes full advantage postscript lets printer dirty dithering graylevel image black white dots postscript printer xwdtopnm convert ppmtopgm graylevel smaller file print pnmtops noturn postscript print pnmtops neat options care image wide pnmtops noturn scale width noturn prevents image rotated wider high width specifies paper width image width scale image small width printed smaller wide scale scaled pnmtops automatically paper width short pnmtops scale image paper size blow automatically hope helps marcel marcel wijkstra wijkstra faculty mathematics computer science university amsterdam netherlands life stinks fortunately cold 
gray levels screen organization tampere university technology lines distribution inet nntp posting host article sloan kenneth sloan writes create grey level images display time slices grey level images items images work work screen screen intensity linear pixel timing levels linear screen intensity linear works find compinations levels choises chosen compinations level varies levels order readers verify wrote juhana kouhia 
ctds keywords ctds nntp posting host amertume info organization universite paris informatique lines find ctds connect dots smoother france commercial program happily cost litterally lots sources texture images animations 
previewer nntp posting host amertume info organization universite paris informatique lines write encounter problems drawing wireframe view quadric quartic requires explicit equation quadric quartic functions parameters convert implicit equation explicit mathematically math find heard books subject 
real time graphics distribution organization usaf wpafb dayton lines article stockel navy stockel writes writing data acquisition program collect data variety sources including external able display data realtime type thing machines unaware graphics package unix machine ideas commercial free packages suit input times commerical package wave precision visuals free package khoros university mexico ptrg eece login anonyomus valid email address password khoros release place david 
drivers svga summary site svga driver keywords svga nntp posting host bogart organization bull lines require drivers super displays super xvga displays obtain relevant drivers sites simon crowe 
vesa speedstar organization gskolan ping lines nntp posting host uvesa universal vesa driver supports video boards chipsets include speedstar color terry speedstar works software instance work animator autodesk detect svga modes running univesa problem vesa driver color stuff curiosity latest version versions previous fill capabilities bits information correctly problems software version author posting announcementof missed directory version works fine software animator important pretty useless program thing working imho hope author daniel daniel falk quote comments ebenezum great wizard mega famous musician jkpg sweeden leinad yellow 
organization university birmingham united kingdom lines nntp posting host bham bear game explain dmorf simply fade bitmap shape bitma excuse ignorance posted message correctly 
wanted dmorf organization university birmingham united kingdom lines nntp posting host bham bear game apologize unreservedly posted message earlier mistake digress explain dmorf dtax simply fade bitmap reshape bitmap excuse ignor ance 
test organization university birmingham united kingdom lines nntp posting host bham 
rumours organization unocal corporation lines software product encourage software sales product pong pacman visicalc dbase pagemaker multi media multi media digital television products albeit capable compelling reasons news group write software 
technical sought harvard haibin organization harvard university science center nntp posting host husc harvard lines details graphics compression techniques obtain descriptions algo rithms public domain source codes formats jpeg fractals immensely grateful share info project contemplating advance reply mail 
surface normal orientations article travis pscti organization harris lauderdale lines nntp posting host travis harris rendering programs require surface normals point direction closed cube normals point outwards points faces determine direction normal making points clockwise counter clockwise order orienting normals direction points edges faces cube faces normals facing outwards face realize face flipped points ordered thought good telling realized algorithm points clockwise order polygon data hints tips references appreciated steve humor concerned standards good john kenneth galbraith opinions 
graphics library package organization computer science dept univ western ontario london canada nntp posting host obelix gaul lines wordup graphics toolkit designed programmer brother chris egerter turbo borland graphics library programming producing shareware years commercial product excuse typos backspace terminal features include loading saving images called blocks flipping resizing warping blocks loading saving palette fading memory graphics primitives line circle rectangle region fill useless floodfill sprites animated bitmaps onscreen joystick mouse support support tile based game creation pixel tiles create tile game world duke nuke number sprites increased professional sprite creator utility maker routines simplify scrolling games maps playing routines sprites animated playing support coming leave mail barry egerter egerter gaul files mget simtel mirrors funet msdos games programming sites recent files contact info date information 
signature image database organization mail news gateway wang labs lines contact signaware corp original memo vincent wall imaging club subject signature verification date image processing yyqi arizona yingyong subject signature image database organization arizona electrical computer engineering database handwriting signature images evaluating signature verification systems 
surface normal orientations article organization university alabama birmingham lines article sloan kenneth sloan writes brilliant algorithm correct sign change flaw obvious shown kenneth sloan computer information sciences sloan university alabama birmingham campbell hall station birmingham 
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surface normal orientations organization university alabama birmingham lines article harris stephen pietrowicz writes orienting normals direction points edges faces edge inconsistencies vertices connected edge edge edges surface flips travel edge assuming warning warning warning acceptable surface pick edge edge traverse surface enforcing consistency edge pick edge mark face edge oops make edges consistent face flip wrong mark edges queue check duplicates inconsistencies queue remove edge queue marked edge discovered inconsistent lose step finds face sharing edge lose edges consistent means surface normals point deciding left exercise kenneth sloan computer information sciences sloan university alabama birmingham campbell hall station birmingham 
surface normal orientations organization silicon graphics mountain view lines nntp posting host krypton harris stephen pietrowicz writes orienting normals direction points edges faces algorithm works algorithm attempt find outward facing normals mark faces unknown create edge dictionary find faces sharing edge edge integers representing shared vertices pick arbitrary face mark counter clockwise edge dictionary orient surrounding faces based orientation face recurse surrounding faces consistently orienting entire surface find average vertices surface point calculate volume measurement taking account face orientation volume turns positive assume faces oriented correctly negative reverse orientations mark clockwise faces unknown choose face algorithm faces marked clockwise indices reversed facet normals found note running silicon graphics machines iris inventor toolkit developers package source algorithm inventor tools ivnorm give source relies heavily inventor gavin gavin 
million thousand colors nntp posting host hacke dtek chalmers organization chalmers university technology gothenburg sweden lines andrey caltech andre writes chalmers henrik harmsen writes bits horrible machbanding visible picture bits colors visible machbanding color gradient picture machbanding color resolution small machbanding smooth color gradient picture situiations visible mach banding card create smooth color gradient dark green white yellow turn contrast monitor mach banding damn henrik attempt helpful common misconception corrected mach banding occur image color quantization bits human response transitions edges intensities result colors transistion brighter brighter side darker darker side andre yeah term mach banding correct color quantization effect color quantization effect result visible mach bands picture smooth quantizised henrik harmsen internet chalmers chalmers university technology sweden lost mind backed tape 
real time graphics distribution organization usaf wpafb dayton lines article dsnyder aamrl wpafb writes article stockel navy stockel writes opps typed phone numbers wrong correct numbers commerical package wave precision visuals free package khoros university mexico ptrg eece login anonyomus valid email address password khoros release 
iges viewer windows organization cadillac lines nntp posting host ccadmn gmeds iges viewer windows able display computervision iges files running windows advance brian safford email bsaffo gmeds electronic data systems phone note views opinions expressed mine reflect electronic data systems corp 
computer graphics organization lehigh university lines friend class project make computer animated movie sorts disney animation easy cheap compatibles clueless computers brant ritter moshing cosmic cesspool physical delight kiedas rhcp 
stereoscopic imaging summary stereoscopic imaging keywords stereoscopic nntp posting host engr engr uark organization university arkansas lines interested information stereoscopic imaging workstation part hardware interface system refresh rates sufficient produce quality image representations information subject greatly appreciated 
fractals good organization purdue university lines article romanick writes thing small change initial conditions huge change final conditions things plate tektoniks volcanic activity effect land scape random unpredictable true fractals conclude model fractally yeah true long complicated sequences events calculations computer programs general argue similar results fractals question thing fractals good fractal image compression chasing fractal compression years great competing jpeg wager wagered quit make fractal compression work reasonable alternative techniques neat reiterate disbelief fractal fractal compression widely explained practical barnsley sloan tricks sleeves make demos work real product years iterated systems formed questions product sloan replies company plans ship encoding devices summer march iterated systems half system decoders scientific american march page allen started 
complex real imaginary parts medical images organization computer science university vancouver canada lines distribution world nntp posting host ironduke complex medical images experimentation complex sampled data point magnitude phase information pointers vishwa 
mpeg organization university illinois urbana lines mpeg advance email preferred posting fine scott lord soth knight email lordsoth black rose uiuc clue 
article shograf distribution organization shographics sunnyvale lines complete list polygons order summarize compiled option 
colors display keywords graphics article cantua organization university canterbury christchurch zealand lines nntp posting host huia canterbury palette drawing colours bios interrupt calls values range cards palette colour range colour modes able draw pixels palette values result colourmap compressing unique triplets colour mode geoff thomas geoffrey canterbury computer science dept university canterbury private christchurch ook zealand 
rumours organization computer science university vancouver canada lines nntp posting host larry stgprao unocal richard ottolini writes software product encourage software sales product pong pacman visicalc dbase pagemaker multi media multi media digital television products albeit capable compelling reasons news group write software good fortune hired electronic arts senior computer graphics artist vancouver canada office timing putting resources titles developed happy post things develop start markus tessmann 
quicktime movie article mustang johnsh organization rensselaer polytechnic institute lines nntp posting host mustang article wrote recently released macintosh application mpeg quicktime convert excellent mpeg canyon quicktime movie movie perfectly able convert thought glad mail copies mine movie conversion close hours poor iicx words quadra machine converting file movie fast fractal generated canyon landscape movie seconds long compact video compressor quicktime movie displays absolutely awesome displays happy mail movie people caveat able receive megabyte mail message movie stuff megs binhex ruined party people movie evidence dedicated quicktime archive site gotta spare drive received requests movie simplicity sake mail received tuesday site sooner hugh johnson johnsh rensselaer polytechnic institute macintosh troy york 
code view save images organization client specific systems lines nntp posting host thrasher larc nasa dear binary newsers quick microsoft code image decoding file viewing saving images tiff jpeg format scoured internet find seuss spell checker reinvent wheel advance internet black hole 
utocad tiff cvadrmaz csupomona organization california state polytechnic university pomona nntp posting host acvax nntp posting user cvadrmaz lines realize change read newsgroup senior project convert autocad file tiff file telling autocad file vector file tiff heard times point direction greatly appreciated matt georgy 
gamma correction organization project glue university maryland college park lines distribution expires nntp posting host filter digitizing ntsc signal displaying video monitor display response tubes linear follow gamma linearities gamma corrected encoding ntsc signals display supposed correct grey levels coded program intensity levels linear brightness monitor words monitor display circuitry correct gamma errors response appreciated amjad amjad soomro computer science center maryland college park email amjad 
mpeg windows mono needed organization diego state university computing services lines nntp posting host sdsu newsreader version reading request mpeg viewer windows running monochrome monitor mono driver mpeg play post location file mail mlee sdsu 
thining algorithm organization purdue university lines article kshin washington kevin shin writes obtain program preprocess handwriting characters thining algorithm graph alogrithm obtain algorithms graphics image processing theodosios pavlidis people idea copies libraries stolen reference digital image processing gonzalez wintz wood widely expensive checked today 
tiff philosophical significance organization purdue university lines article ulrich toppoint writes tiff specification tiff version number bytes chosen deep philosophical significance week read hitchhikers guide galaxy picked number amused time read part tiff spec infuriates happy complexity spec arbitrary carefully chosen number additionally find choice bytes begin file meaningless letters tiff bothered support word orders found tiff readers 
graphics mode distribution world organization neptune software lines gchen uoknor writes article graphics mode info appreciated vesa bios support mode able support colors requires bytes vesa supports vesa mode card support restrictions paradise responsible opinion robert kyanko uucp 
weitek distribution world organization neptune software lines abraxis writes article weitek graphics chip micron selling systems rank winmarks info supposedly high performance chip based workstation graphics accelerators fast usual boards chips drivers buggy windows winmarks depends version winmarks version yielded number benchmarked wintach memory level stuff pretty nice quadrilateral fill command requires points fast beware buggy drivers windows support responsible opinion robert kyanko uucp 
delaunay triangulation nntp posting host organization rensselaer polytechnic institute troy lines article zyeh zhenghao writes delaunay triangulation reference creating objects advantage create triangulated irregular network basically bunch triangles form surface group points special triangles formed equalateral check proceedings autocarto specific reference describing process michael 
graphic formats organization tasc lines nntp posting host saturn aitc rest tasc writing utilies convert regis tektonic esacpe sequences formats goto bitmap format convert window meta files easily convert corel draw power point files microsoft give format wondering formats applications 
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forms curses reply crash ckctpa sybus frank crash edwards organization edwards edwards consulting lines note followup header steelem colorado steele mark writes collection forms routines curses located amiga unix lform lmenu lpanel curses library guess provide unix press prentice hall programmer guide tools referred fmli forms mgmt language interface extended terminal interface edition isbn paraphrased back cover fmli high level programming tool creating menus forms text frames screen management library subroutines promote fast development application programs window panel menu form manipulation fmli shell package reads ascii text files produces screen displays data entry presentation consists shell environment fmli program database files section unix press manual subroutines part manual section provide support multi window capability ordinary ascii terminal controls built curses library mark steele steelem colorado frank crash edwards edwards edwards consulting voice crash ckctpa sybus data uunet route sloow times life meet smiles pats back tells great hold wallet 
view files nntp posting host craft clarkson organization clarkson university lines merkelbd purdue brian merkel writes article ednobles oren ortn edward nobles writes view files created povray diamond speedstar video board convert jpeg cjpeg view cview displays color convert view univesa uvesa dvpeg viewer setting univesa properly ideas feel free enlighten darn things real color image alchemy alchemy view files outputs format convert shareware somwhere netland alchemy works fine tseng remember reading displays colors sneeze flag neal miller millernw camp clarkson clarkson university ford prefect dark camp clarkson 
software keywords imagine nntp posting host msstate organization mississippi state university lines product called imagine started shipping yesterday personally attest blow doors studio made impulse version morphing standard framming animation raytracer reflections shadows apply special objects ripple explode bounce things nature algorithmic texture maps standard brushmapping animated brushmaps live video mapped objs animated backdrops live video backgrounds animted reflections maps idea retail dont price fool product animation renderering imagine mailing list mail post number impulse msstate 
software organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply cwru michael comet nntp posting host thor cwru previous article msstate tony boutwell product called imagine started shipping yesterday personally attest blow doors studio made impulse competing studio pretty powerful allright imagine mailing list mail post send mail imagine request paramax header subscribe work frequently asked questions version week mail previous details list answering basic questions imagine hope helps michael comet software engineer graphics artist cwru cwru silence oppose freedom speech 
graphics mode nntp posting host student organization university minnesota lines article uucp robert kyanko writes gchen uoknor writes article graphics mode info appreciated vesa bios support mode able support colors requires bytes vesa supports vesa mode card support restrictions paradise responsible opinion robert kyanko uucp possibly punched wrong numbers calculator color modes byte pixel time exact takes bios mode cards card definition svga high svga 
files coutours lines working project create contour lines random data points work tells triangulated irregular networks delauney criiterion krige method suggestions references programs source code creating contours surface modeling greatly appreciated reached addresses paul conway pvconway denver colorado pvconway denver colorado 
toronto siggraph event organization university toronto dynamic graphics project distribution lines toronto siggraph chance graphics animation indigo evans imagicians artware tuesday april mcluhan centre culture technology university toronto queen park crescent toronto members members alike members encouraged members abstract imagicians artware entering early beta site testing silicon graphics workstations abstract artwork animation package called chance package demonstrated technical issues discussed marketing plans outlined talk present technical business problems increasingly confronting small startup software companies today opportunities situation presents time event allocated hands demonstrations interested parties silicon graphics graciously providing indigo event myck kupka demonstrating computerized interactive reflective stereoscope installed upstairs mcluhan centre feel free drop demonstration event sing happy birthday myck names nominees siggraph executive offices announced meeting nominations open election event call myck kupka directions mcluhan coachhouse east side queen park crescent north wellesley south joseph east queen park crescent centre mediaeval studies information toronto siggraph membership contact michael mccool internet mccool utoronto voice 
delaunay triangulation organization university western australia lines distribution world reply watson nntp posting host madvax maths zyeh zhenghao writes delaunay triangulation reference delaunay triangulation geometrical dual voronoi tessellation constructions derived natural neighbor order aurenhammer voronoi diagrams survey fundamental geometric data structure computing surveys okabe boots sugihara spatial tessellations concepts applications voronoi diagrams wiley sons york isbn watson computing dimensional delaunay tessellation application voronoi polytopes computer watson natural neighbour sorting australian computer dave watson internet watson department mathematics university western australia nedlands australia 
nsi aiim standard image file format organization keywords image file format lines wing suggestion lynne posted image file format executable source code sources herman silbiger 
view files organization mexico tech lines article ednobles oren ortn edward nobles writes view files created povray diamond speedstar video board convert jpeg cjpeg view cview displays color convert view darn things real color nobles program viewing files vpic version current view modes nice return question windows dates drivers newest find problem conflict star trek dark things drivers programs info newer drivers windows justin 
circle algorithm faster bresenhams organization labtam australia melbourne australia lines article mpdillon michael dillon writes algorithm similar bresenhams line drawing algorithm draws line stepping minor axis drawing slices aa bb cc diagram aa bb cc bresenhams length slice algorithm incremental lines fundamental algorithms computer graphics springer verlag berlin heidelberg extrapolate circles figure determine length slices ideas double step incremental generation lines circles rokne computer graphics image processing double step generation ellipses rokne iee computer graphics applications graeme gill 
mail michael abrash gmontem calstate george montemayor organization calif state univ electronic information services lines 
fonts organization university wollongong australia lines nntp posting host wampyr keywords fonts raytrace traced scenes rayshade stroked fonts appearing objects image fonts chars color depth textures wondering noel 
polygon reduction marching cubes organization regional computing center university cologne lines distribution world nntp posting host koeln keywords polygon reduction marching cubes surfaces midical visualisation dear reader searching implementation polygon reduction algorithm marching cubes surfaces reduction algorithm schroeder siggraph implementation algorithm nice leave fast connectivity test marching cubes surfaces hints erwin keeve adress peter welter platz cologne germany dept computergraphics phone computeranimation academy media arts cologne email keeve koeln 
dmpeg info mpeg decoder player posted keywords mpeg reply stefan technik muenchen organization technische universitaet muenchen germany lines posted mpeg decoder player binaries pictures utilities short description technical information accompanying documentation dmpeg public domain mpeg decoder stefan eckart features dmpeg dmplay mpeg decoder player decodes full mpeg video standard frames frame size supported saves decoded sequence file display optional screen display decoding requires dithering options ordered dither floyd steinberg grayscale color space selection runs windows required compact small code small data models arithmetic real time display file separate player super vgas technical information player straightforward implementation mpeg spec idct based chen wang multiplication algorithm optimum blocks coefficients separated direct multiply accumulate idct sounds great turned faster fast algorithm common case dithering pretty standard main difference berkeley decoder fewer number supported algorithms colors default option restricted color space implementation color saturation dominant ordered dither leads significantly superior quality dithered image claim judge restricted color space means components clipped display color space points distributed restricted space distance color space points reduced factor color resolution doubled expense able represent fully saturated colors saturation dominant ordered dither method color lying points display color space approximated primarily alternating points constant constant saturation yields subjectivly quality lower sensitivity human viewing system saturation reasoning standard improve ntsc improvement visible dark brown redish areas stefan eckart stefan technik muenchen 
point polygon summary algorithm find point bound polygon keywords point polygon nntp posting host bogart organization bull lines algorithm determine point bound polygon code reference book information subject simon 
reboots memory upgrade reply john organization network unit lines week running povray major problems easter increased memory found povray reboots system time running povray window running system works fine slower back povray directly ideas john john heaton central administrator network unit university oxford road manchester phone packet 
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point polygon keywords point polygon organization dept university linkoping lines scrowe bull simon crowe writes algorithm determine point bound polygon code reference book information subject discussed liberty reprinting permission eric haines reprint interesting discussion topic jonas snip snip give fish give fishing laze fishing mind reprint permission relevant information posted years problem note early postscript technology predating year papers listed april siggraph program announcement posted days eric intersection line polygon undecidable dave baraff duff graphics cornell newsgroups comp graphics keywords jordan curve separation ursyhon metrization theorem organization program computer graphics article ncsmith uucp timothy lyle smith writes find formula algorithm determine line intersects polygon prefer method time forward raytracing program difficult problem start lines polygons semi algebraic sets uncountable number points cuff ideas check line polygon separated jordan curve separation theorem polygon divides plane open compact regions line lies completely inside polygon line lies completely polygon possibly rarely happen line intersects polyon phrasing question line intersects polygon decision problem possibility decision model approach reduce question problem solve answer answer original decision problem recent years geometric problems successfully modeled language called postscript postscript language adobe systems incorporated isbn line polygon write postscript program draws line polygon outputs answer output program executes command called showpage prints page paper line polygon quick examination paper answer reduced problem original problem small problems approach infinite number ways encode reduced problem forced invoke axiom choice equivalently zorn lemma axiom choice regarded light days importantly question arises postscript program output piece paper words halt postscript expressive encode turing machine halting problem postscript undecidable original problem turn undecidable begin difficulties aliasing finite precision running paper couple references principia mathematica newton cambridge university press cambridge england isbn introduction automata theory languages computation hopcroft ulman programming language kernighan ritchie tale cities dickens uucp duff summary overkill organization bell laboratories murray hill situation bleak baraff suggests hung labs long dobbin dullman reduction dullman dobbin comp obfusc lemma line polygon intersection reduced hamiltonian circuit grobner bases coin acronym complete turing completeness longer problem cray delivered able complete infinite loop milliseconds scatter gather cornell david baraff worse complete restrict case line satisfies lipschitz condition derivative siggraph paper caltech deals email jonas dept electrical engineering voice university linkoping sweden 
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point polygon keywords obfuscated postscript organization purdue university lines article jonas jonas yngvesson writes intersection line polygon undecidable dave baraff duff graphics cornell recent years geometric problems successfully modeled language called postscript postscript language adobe systems incorporated isbn line polygon write postscript program draws line polygon outputs answer output program executes command called showpage prints page paper line polygon quick examination paper answer reduced problem original problem curiously modern postscript point polygon problem solved easily title point polygon creator allen purdue amusement comp graphics regulars languagelevel documentneededresource humor sense thereof endcomments program test point inside polygon rule changed replacing ineofill infill level operators level luck result printed output stream caution accurate device pixels huge scale point test coordinates vertices polygon counter clockwise order array pairs coordinates aload moveto length roll getinterval aload lineto forall closepath ineofill ifelse 
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functions easily accessed disimp executive menu modular design groups image processes function logical structure means complicated processes simply progression series modules processes include image rectification classification unsupervised supervised intensity transformations dimensional display principal component analysis disimp supports simple effective enhancement techniques filtering band subtraction ratioing host configuration requirements running unix workstations disimp capable processing computational intensive techniques interactive processing times disimp runtime programmer environments programmers environment utilities developed specific applications programs graphics governed icon based display panel quick enhancments displayed image manipulations tables colour stretches histograms zooming panning interactively driven control range geographic projections enables disimp integrate data image graphic textual types images rectified number coordinate systems providing true geographic knowledge essential ground truthing overlays grids text vector data added enhance referenced imagery system flexible package allowing users skill levels determine working environment including amount required disimp fully configured optional extras purchase price includes functionality required professional processing remote sensed data information contact business manager clough engineering group systems division chapel street south yarra australia telephone global imaging software global imaging software process avhrr data dish final display select chunk band data pass automatic navigation calibrate albedo temp convert byte register predesigned window automatically carefree classification routines speak difficult write programmer module small operation designs codes sells number years sold weather service navy runs supports display hips human information processing laboratory image processing system michael landy wrote sell general purpose package image processing basically usual image processing applications robotics medical satellite engineering exploration called hips deals sequences multiband images deals single images growing wrote additions huge user contributed library feature description hips image processing modules provide powerful suite tools interested research system development teaching handles sequences images movies precisely manner single frames programs subroutines developed simple image transformations filtering convolution fourier transform processing edge detection line drawing manipulation digital image compression transmission methods noise generation image statistics computation image transformation programs developed result image processing task performed quickly conveniently additionally hips users easily integrate custom routines users effective hips hips features images documenting image stored system history transformations applied image hips includes small subroutines primarily deals standardized image sequence header large library image transformation tools form unix filters complete source code line manual pages line documentation host configuration requirements originally developed york university hips represents extensive flexible vision image processing environments runs unix operating system modular flexible automatic documentation actions independent special equipment hips variety computers including microvax apollo masscomp tower iris image display input drivers supplied grinnell adage ikonas image processors consoles supply user contributed drivers number framestores windowing packages console matrox lexidata macintosh windowing system iris hipsaddon package includes interface simple matter interface hips frame stores interested users touch users interfaced hips arlunya datacube video hips easily adapted image display devices hips machine independent availability hips proven highly flexible system interactive research tool production oriented tasks easy quickly adapted extended hips supplied magnetic tape unix format reel reel cartridge source code libraries library convolu tion masks line documentation manual pages michael landy sharpimage software prince street station york voice mira confuse thalmanns animation system montreal altogether beasts nfotis mira stands microcomputer image reduction analysis mira workstation level performance computers svga cards color modes mira handsome functional mouse keystroke operated mira reads writes tiff fits formats native formats number cameras uncompressed binary images byte short integer byte real pixel format dimensions result image processing operation short integer real pixels input image mira operation short floating point arithmetic maintain precision accuracy pixel format functions hand coded assembly language maximum speed intel hardware entire graphical interface written assembly language maximize speed windowing operations windows image image data display analysis dedicated cursors read position real time move mouse smooth real time contrast brightness stretch panning magnified portion displayed image operated mouse wide selection grayscale pseudocolor random palettes provided palettes generated supported functions include niceties image image interpolation image constant unary operations polynomial pixel byteswap clip values upper lower limits short real real short combine images median mode pixel values autoscaling median mode image section convolutions filters laplacian sobel edge operator directional gradient line gaussian elliptical rectangular equal weight filters unsharp masking median filters user defined filter kernel ellipse rectangle line gradient gaussian user defined filters rotated angle data reduction flat fielding dark subtraction column underscan bias removal remove pixels column defects normalize region target median modal create subimage mosaic images larger image collapse image image plot section collapsed section image plot histogram region image review change image information header data rename keywords plot keyword values images luminance photometry elliptical circular aperture photometry brightness profile isophotal photometry upper lower luminances area luminance inside traced polygon interactive background fitting removal part image elliptical aperture shape image isophotes interactive image contrast brightness diagonal plot pixel values distance points compute region stats centroid location image center zoom times change cursor rectangle crosshair full image crosshair adjust cursor size image select linear gamma transfer function histogram equalization interactive image offset computation sampling registration interactive image zoom steps times current center plot enlarge framed area plot buffers cycled interactive data analysis polynomial fitting point deletion undelete change point weighting linear quadratic loess binomial smoothing revert unit point weights original data buffer substitute results data buffer pass back calling function 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utilities share parameters parameter purpose confusing setting series operations standard environment scripting language similar basic automate process setting parameters common complicated lengthy difficult series utility executions invoke utilities independently command procedure optional programming library write compiled language programs interface read write data structures database file parameter file software designed specifically remote sensing images requires level operator expertise reach level handle images figure ways handle things instance tape package offers utility reading headerless multi band adobe photoshop macintosh calls data tape number interleave orders turns ideal manipulating graphic arts industry format handle targa screw degree start worth noting database file designed raster image data vectors overlaying information entered digitizing table land manner information observe remote sensing image tape manner information spectral bands latitude longitude time date 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jpeg image compression frequently asked questions summary info jpeg image files programs keywords jpeg image compression supersedes nntp posting host reply jpeg info organization school computer science carnegie mellon expires lines archive jpeg modified april article discusses jpeg image compression suggestions additions clarifications version april versions image archiver pmjpeg article includes sections jpeg jpeg jpeg stick jpeg compress images good quality settings jpeg jpeg software canned software viewers source code hoopla color quantization jpeg work lossless jpeg argument file formats recognize file format arithmetic coding loss accumulate repeated compression decompression rules thumb converting images jpeg sections basic info jpeg user sections advanced info curious article posted weeks find latest version news answers archive rtfm fetch usenet news answers jpeg send mail mail server body send usenet news answers jpeg articles stored archive instructions archive send mail address words index quotes separate lines reply server misreading return address line path myname correct mail address reply jpeg jpeg pronounced standardized image compression mechanism jpeg stands joint photographic experts group original committee wrote standard jpeg designed compressing full color gray scale digital images natural real world scenes work realistic images cartoons line drawings jpeg handle black white pixel images handle motion picture compression standards compressing types images worked committees named jbig mpeg jpeg lossy meaning image decompression identical originally algorithm achieves compression exploiting limitations human notably fact small color details perceived small details light dark jpeg intended compressing images looked humans plan machine analyze images small errors introduced jpeg problem invisible property jpeg degree lossiness varied adjusting compression parameters means image maker trade file size output image quality make extremely small files mind poor quality indexing image archives making thumbnail views icons conversely happy output quality default compression setting jack quality satisfied accept lesser compression jpeg good reasons make image files smaller store pixel color data pixel data making image files smaller transmitting files networks archiving libraries images able compress mbyte full color file kbytes makes difference disk space transmission time comparing jpeg size ratio details viewing software support jpeg directly convert jpeg format viewing manipulating images jpeg capable viewer takes longer decode view jpeg image view image simpler format instance jpeg essentially time space tradeoff give time order store transmit image cheaply worth noting network phone transmission involved time savings transferring shorter file greater extra time decompress file arithmetic reason jpeg gradually replace standard usenet posting format jpeg store full color information bits pixel million colors fewer colors display hardware advantage couple years obsolete black white macpaint format today reasons detailed section jpeg exchanging images people widely varying color display hardware jpeg considerably usenet posting standard jpeg stick jpeg displace types images superior image quality file size things learn jpeg kinds images apply rule thumb jpeg superior storing full color gray scale images realistic scenes means scanned photographs similar material jpeg superior display hardware superior section details significantly images distinct colors cartoons line drawings large areas pixels color compressed efficiently jpeg squeeze files introducing visible defects sort image form single color borders cheap files avoided jpeg files jpeg hard time sharp edges pure black pixels adjacent pure white pixels sharp edges tend blurred high quality setting sort thing found scanned photographs shows fairly files borders overlaid text blurriness objectionable text pixels high small size overlaid text jpeg computer drawn images traced scenes instance fall scanned images cartoons terms complexity complex subtly rendered image jpeg semi realistic artwork fantasy drawings plain black white level images converted jpeg gray levels jpeg gray scale images noted lossless gray scale images levels jpeg existing library images convert jpeg lose image quality section argues jpeg image quality superior applies formats start full color original start irretrievably lost great deal information jpeg make things worse disk space savings justify converting decision make convert library jpeg section hints prepared leave images format gifs convert jpeg compress images pretty darn sample file sizes image handy full color image ship harbor files comparison purposes rest created free jpeg software section file size bytes comments ship original file format compression bits bytes pixel bytes overhead ship file passed unix compress compress accomplish note text oriented compressors give similar results ship converted ppmquant ppmtogif savings result losing color info saves bits pixel ship cjpeg highest quality setting indistinguishable original nonprofessional eyeballs ship cjpeg default setting mighty darn close distinguish original screen ship cjpeg slight defects jpeged original good image quality recent postings usenet pictures groups ship cjpeg jpeg characteristic blockiness apparent setting djpeg blocksmooth helps plenty usenet postings poorer image quality ship cjpeg optimize optimize cuts table overhead blocky perfectly satisfactory preview indexing purposes note file tiny compression ratio original case jpeg make file factor smaller comparable quality file good full color display typical ratio real world scenes good quality settings jpeg jpeg compressors pick file size image quality tradeoff selecting quality setting widespread confusion meaning settings quality information claimed quality scale purely arbitrary percentage game jpeg pick lowest quality setting smallest file size decompresses image indistinguishable original setting vary image observer rules thumb default quality setting choice setting lowest expecting defects typical image defects experimental purposes produce file times large quality image perfect quality begin able objectionable degradation hand higher quality setting avoid degradation case apply time converting gifs jpeg default compressing images converting gifs section info small file preview indexing purposes prepared tolerate large defects setting range amusing note quality settings discussed article apply free jpeg software section programs based jpeg implementations image alchemy completely quality scale programs provide numeric scale high medium style choices jpeg software programs section article find sources direct access read ftpmail servers article article appears regularly news answers sending mail mail server send usenet news answers finding sources body anonymous list helpful usenet news answers list news answers archive note list constantly copy couple months latest jpeg news answers archive canned software viewers part list system specific programs kind system machine check portable jpeg software list note list concentrates free shareware programs obtain internet commercial programs listed windows john bradley free version excellent viewer jpeg image formats export upenn file called version number located contrib directory export directory upenn reduces images bits internally means real good choice display color convert full color images jpeg color quantized fine tool converting images jpeg caution glitch versions earlier check save normal size checkbox saving jpeg file file blurry good choice windows john cristy free imagemagick package export file contrib imagemagick package handles image processing conversion tasks imagemagick viewer handles displays correctly colormapped displays slower color quantization basic free jpeg software large complex packages simple image viewer xloadimage xloadimage supports jpeg latest release xloadimage free export file contrib xloadimage variant version xloadimage fans faster robust original current faster robust current xloadimage respect jpeg files decoder xloadimage hacked xloadimage release free export file contrib programs thing displays covers plain windows programs headings good choice eric praetzel free dvpeg views jpeg files current version sunee uwaterloo file jpeg viewers dvpeg good basic viewer works machines user interface flashy functional freeware jpeg viewer mohammad rezaei hiview current version simtel mirror sites note file msdos graphics hiview requires vcpi compatible memory manager qemm work windows hiview fastest viewer images bigger screen larger images scales image screen panning scrolling viewers prefer approach denying slows loading large images considerably note installation tricky read directions carefully shareware alternative colorview easier install freeware alternatives user interface spiffier personally find harder keystrokes inconsistent behavior faster dvpeg slower hiview hardware images larger screen size dvpeg colorview speed faster hiview current version simtel mirror sites note file msdos graphics dcview requires vesa graphics driver vesadrv vesa directory recent built vesa driver load vesa driver colorview complains driver missing shareware alternative fullview kicking stable archive location current version inferior viewers author tells version fullview shortly submitted simtel archives time viewer compushow cshow supports jpeg latest revision cshow jpeg implementation good slow half speed viewers image quality poor color displays nice good jpeg capability cshow shareware simtel mirror sites note file msdos cshw remarkable variety graphics hardware viewers work machine work conversion programs convert jpeg view favorite viewer color hardware intermediate format find targa capable viewer vpic reputed thing color displays independent jpeg group free jpeg converters ftpable simtel mirror sites note file msdos graphics jpeg jpeg extended memory files compilations free source code section convert jpeg targa formats handmade software offers free jpeggif conversion tools slow limited conversion format color output jpeg major advantage tools read write proprietary jpeg format usenet standard jfif format format files widespread bbses capability version tools free prior versions shareware simtel mirror sites note file msdos graphics note format files posted internet readable platforms handmade software shareware image conversion manipulation package image alchemy translate jpeg files jfif formats image formats display images demo version image alchemy version simtel mirror sites note file msdos graphics alch note simtel internet archive site related programs simtel full wsmr simtel army simtel runs unix system weird directory names document refers directory msdos graphics simtel means physically milnet expect slow transfer rates simtel internet sites maintain copies mirrors simtel archives users mirror sites popular mirror site oakland simtel files msdos graphics capability retrieve files simtel mail informational postings comp archives msdos announce find consult newsgroup learn nearest simtel mirror microsoft windows windows programs capable displaying jpeg images windows viewers generally slower viewers hardware windows system overhead note conversion programs inside windows window newest entry winecj free extremely fast version rahul file bryanw jpeg wecj requires windows colors mode frills viewer habit hogging machine completely decodes image quality noticeably worse viewers fast previewing jview freeware fairly fast good line write decompressed image windows format create jpeg files view gifs jview lacks features shareware viewers brightness adjustment excellent basic viewer current version cica indiana file desktop jview mirrors archive found internet sites including wuarchive wustl winjpeg shareware displays jpeg targa tiff image files write formats converter nifty features including color balance adjustment slideshow current version simtel mirror sites note file msdos windows winjp slow compatible version register version roughly faster colorview shareware entry early promising contender updated time point real advantages winjpeg current version cica indiana file desktop cview understand version appearing authors finished colorview dvpeg heading works windows full screen mode window files hobbes nmsu note check uploads recent versions hobbes moderator fast moving uploads permanent directories graphics jpegv version free conversion programs version graphics jpeg version graphics imgarc image archiver image conversion viewing graphical interface strong conversion functions viewing weaker shareware graphics pmjpeg pmjpeg port winjpeg popular viewer windows description windows section shareware graphics pmview pmview jpeg viewer viewing fast jpeg viewing fast huge amounts speed programs strong display support shareware macintosh jpeg programs rely apple jpeg implementation part quicktime system extension quicktime installed quicktime running system running system install quickdraw extension built system quicktime apple file quicktime quicktime file quicktime ways respect jpeg marginally faster considerably prone crash corrupt jpeg file applications compatibility problems users mind quicktime jpeg format pict jpeg usenet standard jfif jpeg format section details post images usenet make jfif format programs mentioned generate format choice jpegview free program viewing images jfif format pict jpeg format format convert jpeg formats current version improvement prior versions sumex stanford file info jpeg view requires system quicktime displays jpegview produces color image quality jpeg viewers jpegview view large images memory viewers fact deal jpeg images pixels typical large image jpegview automatically scales screen presenting scroll bars viewers zoom desired portion people behavior jpegview user interface thought gifconverter shareware image viewer converter supports jfif pict jpeg image formats latest version sumex stanford file info converter requires system gifconverter jpegview plain jpeg viewer extensive image manipulation format conversion capabilities find worth shareware playing images newest version gifconverter load save jfif images quicktime machine quicktime faster quicktime note gifconverter runs memory load large jpeg converting file jpeg convert viewing version jpeg convert version free jpeg conversion utilities sumex stanford file info jpeg convert file conversion viewing conjunction viewer previous versions recommended imagery jpeg jpeggif converter based version code program replace jpeg convert apple free program pictpixie view images jfif quicktime jpeg format convert formats pictpixie apple file quicktime stuff pictpixie requires quicktime pictpixie intended developer tool choice fool quicktime drawbacks requires lots memory produces poor color image quality display unfriendly user interface worse pictpixie unsupported program meaning minor bugs apple intend version pictpixie called pictcompressor floating trash buggier quicktime starter includes cleaned descendant pictpixie called picture compressor note picture compressor free distributed storm technology picture decompress free jpeg viewer converter program inferior programs ways system quicktime forced older systems quickdraw machines sumex stanford file info picture decompress file type downloaded image file jpeg picture decompress open machine quickdraw instance gifconverter choice single program jpeg viewing gifconverter jpeg convert free viewer commercial applications supporting jpeg deal usenet standard jfif format adobe photoshop version read write jfif format jpeg files jpeg plug acquire menu file type downloaded jpeg file jpeg photoshop recognize amiga programs listed section stored aminet archive amiga physik unizh mirror sites archive closest good choice wuarchive wustl mirrors amiga physik unizh hamlab excellent jpeg viewer converter general image manipulation tool cheap shareware read formats jpeg current version demo version amiga physik unizh mirror sites file amiga edit hamlab demo version crop images larger fully functional rend shareware image renderer display jpeg ilbm images program create animations capturing frames rendering packages lightwave current version amiga physik unizh mirror sites file amiga rend note directory supposedly amigados programs program amigados viewtek free jpeg ilbm anim viewer current version amiga physik unizh mirror sites file amiga show viewtek spend real money commercial packages support jpeg written thomas krehbiel author rend viewtek cinemorph standalone image morphing package imagefx impressive image capture conversion editing painting effects prepress package includes cinemorph distributed great valley products department professional adpro asdg widely commercial image manipulation software amigas imagemaster black belt systems regarded commercial graphics package jpeg support free jpeg software compiled amigas amiga physik unizh mirror sites directory amiga conv file amigajpegv programs convert jpeg targa formats amiga world heavily infested quick dirty jpeg programs based ancient beta test version free jpeg software magazine published disk month notifying authors augjpeg newamyjpeg vjpeg heard opinion older version march worth disk space stored program trash newer atari free jpeg software compiled atari atari archive umich file atari graphics jpeg programs convert jpeg targa formats heard free shareware jpeg capable viewer ataris surely pointers appreciated acorn archimedes changefsi supplied risc version convert view jpeg jfif format provision made convert images jpeg double clicking recent versions shareware program translator handle jpeg image formats older versions found archimedes bboards current version registering author john kortink nutterbrink enschede netherlands price dutch guilders pounds commercial product called jpeg jpeg read write functionality direct jpeg viewing host image format conversion processing options expensive necessarily programs contact software freepost cambridge portable software system fits situation obtain compile free jpeg conversion software viewer program display bits viewer fine display color capability find viewer read targa image files numerous commercial jpeg offerings popping recommend spend money find free shareware software vastly slow case purchase hardware assisted product pointed questions product complies final jpeg standard handle jfif file format earliest commercial releases compatible files source code work free portable code jpeg compression independent jpeg group lead package source code documentation small test files places official archive site source code directory graphics jpeg current release jpegsrc compressed file forget retrieve binary mode retrieve file uucp cope format prefer format find simtel mirror sites note file msdos graphics jpegsrc file compuserve graphsupport forum pics library jpsrc access retrieve source nearest comp sources misc archive version appeared issues volume retrieve comp sources misc postings article find sources referred section free jpeg code conversion jpeg jfif format image files pbmplus utah truevision targa file formats core compression decompression modules easily reused programs image viewers package highly portable tested machines ranging crays released software noncommercial commercial companies basis jpeg related products royalty acknowledgement product literature readme file distribution details hope make software industrial quality free offer warranty accept liability independent jpeg group volunteer organization contribute improving software join hoopla color quantization people full color pixel display hardware typical display hardware stores fewer bits pixel display fewer distinct colors time display full color image computer image representative colors process called color quantization misnomer color selection term stuck standard usage color quantization lossy process turns images details color quantization algorithm impact final image quality errors introduced jpeg lowest jpeg quality settings jpeg full color format converting color jpeg image display hardware requires color quantization true color jpegs feed color jpeg decompressor colors thousands colors jpeg lossiness affects pixel differently pixels started identical colors slightly colors original color smeared group nearby colors quantization required display color jpeg colormapped display image source avoid quantization gray scale output incidentally effect meaningless talk number colors jpeg image attempted count number distinct pixel values jpeg decoders give results roundoff error differences occasionally posted images color jpeg tells poster read converted jpeg jpegs classified color gray scale photographs number colors concept jpeg hand image definition quantized fewer colors definite number colors palette format palette entries purposes usenet picture distribution advantage sender precomputes color quantization recipients disadvantage stuck sender quantization sender quantized number colors display quantize resulting poorer image quality quantized full color image sender high quality color quantization algorithm luck reason jpeg offers promise significantly image quality users machines match sender display hardware jpeg full color image quantized precisely match user display hardware able advantage future improvements quantization algorithms active research area purchase display hardware view jpeg images stuck forevermore worth mentioning viewing programs include shoddy quantization routines view color color display worse image partly inevitable consequence color quantizations create display sloppiness jpeg conversion programs forced high quality quantizers order acceptable results normal quantize directly number colors displayed jpeg provide results average program color resolution displays high resolution finally growing number people display hardware color displays true displays workstations macintoshes people obsolete represent image full capabilities display jpeg images drive displays effectively jpeg choice representing images machine independent fashion jpeg work buzz words chrominance subsampling discrete cosine transforms coefficient quantization huffman arithmetic entropy coding article long technical information comp compression news answers archive rtfm files usenet news answers compression part news answers archive article lossless jpeg great deal confusion subject jpeg committee define lossless compression algorithm guarantees final output identical original input lossless mode common regular lossy jpeg algorithm offers compression present implementations lossless jpeg exist commercial free jpeg software lossless image deliberate information loss coefficient quantization step good deal information loss color subsampling step free jpeg code sample turn subsampling mind commercial jpeg implementations cope resulting file quantization subsampling turned regular jpeg algorithm lossless subject roundoff errors calculations maximum error counts pixel highly perceived human concern machine processing image minimum loss setting regular jpeg produces files half size uncompressed pixel image true lossless jpeg roughly amount compression guarantees accuracy application requiring lossless storage images bits pixel color component jbig bilevel image compression standard performs jpeg lossless images jpeg lossless superior jbig images bits pixel jpeg public domain huffman back jbig techniques heavily covered patents argument file formats strictly speaking jpeg refers family compression algorithms refer specific image file format jpeg committee prevented defining file format turf wars international standards organizations exchange images agree common file format leaves problem absence official standards number jpeg program writers thing result programs compatible closest thing facto standard jpeg format work coordinated people cube microsystems defined jpeg based file formats jfif jpeg file interchange format format transports pixels tiff jpeg tiff extension aldus tiff format tiff high format record wanted image tiff complex jfif prove transportable vendors historically implemented slightly incompatible subsets tiff adding jpeg improve situation formats developed input major vendors jpeg related products future commercial products adhere standards usenet adopt jfif replacement picture postings jfif simpler tiff tiff spec recently officially adopted unusably vague crucial details tiff jpeg defined jfif format widely supported lowest common denominator tiff jpeg files transportable case people interested apple quicktime software macintosh quicktime jfif compatible format wrapped inside specific pict structure conversion jfif quicktime jpeg pretty straightforward programs portion section editor handles binary files strip quicktime jpeg pict jfif hand section details case handmade software programs image alchemy programs capable reading writing jfif format default write proprietary format developed format readable programs usenet postings switch jfif output applies versions programs current releases emit jfif format default careful post format files flamed people platforms recognize file format alleged jpeg file software read format proprietary jpeg based format inspecting bytes file jfif standard file start characters variable bytes jfif start rest jpeg file decodable jfif software worth files start luck software portions file plain jpeg data decompress properly programs macintosh pict file jpeg compressed couple hundred bytes header jfif header scan jfif strip able read proprietary format jpeg lucky file consist header jpeg data stream identify start jpeg data stream stripping uuencoded usenet postings characteristic jfif pattern begin line uuencoded files start begin line learn check save trouble downloading jfif files arithmetic coding jpeg spec defines back modules final output compressed data huffman coding arithmetic coding allowed choice impact image quality arithmetic coding produces smaller compressed file typical images arithmetic coding produces file percent smaller huffman coding file size numbers previously cited huffman coding variant arithmetic coding jpeg standard subject patents owned mitsubishi legally arithmetic coding obtain licenses companies fair doctrine people implement test algorithm storing images dubious short recommend people worry arithmetic coding space savings great justify potential legal hassles arithmetic coding images exchanged usenet small chance legal situation change future stay tuned details loss accumulate repeated compression decompression nice compressed image jpeg decompress manipulate crop border recompress image degradation lost initially case general recompressing altered image loses information lost time thing decompress image recompress changing loss identical jpeg file true current free jpeg software essentially problem accumulation roundoff error repeatedly compress decompress image eventually degrade visible generation output takes cycles visible change things list accumulation error avoided limited optimistic case possibly guaranteed compressing unmodified full color output djpeg original quality setting introduce loss simple cropping border roundoff error degradation wondering pixel block boundaries move cropped multiples pixels safe mighty limited capability bottom line jpeg format archival storage transmission images intermediate format sequences image manipulation steps lossless format tiff working image jpeg ready file avoiding degradation save compression decompression time rules thumb converting images jpeg stated earlier lose amount image information convert existing image jpeg obtain original full color data made make jpeg save space work suggestions maximum space savings minimum loss quality rule converting library jpeg make happy throwing give chance conversion higher quality setting gifs left gifs explained section cartoon type gifs sixteen fewer colors convert find jpeg file reasonable quality larger check sizes experience date suggests large high visual quality gifs candidates conversion jpeg chew storage offer potential savings convert jpeg degradation waste time converting kbytes expect jpeg files converted gifs small created directly full color originals maintain image quality converted files straight jpeg files shoot size file suggested earlier comparisons people developed habit putting large constant color border image useless free terms storage cost files free jpeg files sharp border boundary create visible artifacts ghost edges favor crop border jpeging windows system manual automatic cropping functions painless cjpeg default setting full color input inputs settings avoid image degradation apply smoothing suggested higher setting color gifs photographs complex artwork dithered fool colors store enlarge image adjacent pixels significantly colors normal size averages pixels produce illusion intermediate color trouble dithering jpeg high spatial frequency color noise jpeg compress noise resulting jpeg file larger lower image quality jpeging original full color image smooth image compression smoothing averages nearby pixels approximating color thought process rapid color give jpeg trouble smoothing avoid high factor reducing size compressed file obtaining output image smoothing free jpeg software products based simple smoothing capability built smooth converting gifs values work high quality gifs heavy handed dithering require larger smoothing factors regular fine scale patterns image enlargement strong smoothing called large smoothing factor blur output image image processing wizard smoothing separate filtering program pnmconvol pbmplus package cjpeg built smoother faster pnmconvol upshot cjpeg quality smooth good starting point converting gifs care image check results settings information jpeg general free jpeg software contact independent jpeg group jpeg info lane organizer independent jpeg group internet bitnet 
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surface intersections lines newsreader problem intersections surfaces easy understand algorithm source marco seirio real life marse 
wanted atomic energy establishment techreport organization laboratoire informatique fondamentale lille lines distribution comp nntp posting host lifl lifl paper marlow powell fortran subroutine plotting part conic inside triangle atomic energy establishment harwell england related including cases froumentin laboratoire informatique fondamentale lille tigran petrossian france 
graphics cards reply paradyne message organization inst fuer informatik technische univ muenchen germany lines eisa vesa local graphic cards support resolution matrox expensive cards support resoultion striaght elsa winner eisa metheus premier servers unix support bits sgcs xserver cards email info details thomas springt hoch mail roell springt weit include soll zeit 
viewer files organization maths dept dundee university scotland lines nntp posting host cardhu dundee newsreader version subject viewer files dominik 
radiosity keywords radiosity raytracing rendering nntp posting host fossi weimar organization hochschule fuer architektur bauwesen weimar germany lines radiosity sources wanted read comp graphics group found radiosity interested glad hear source code radiosity method read common literature foley examples understand radiosity works common languages pascal prefered hope peter 
borland turbo libraries graphics card organization lancaster university computer society lines recently hold card programming libraries access high resolution modes borland turbo andy 
radiosity reply amann unibe organization university berne institute computer science applied mathematics special interest group computer graphics lines article jena hahm weimar peter hahm writes radiosity sources wanted read comp graphics group found radiosity interested glad hear source code radiosity method read common literature foley examples understand radiosity works common languages pascal prefered hope peter peter radiosity package ahead problem miles sail working radiosity package written make public domain announce minute finished good news news months finish meantime file radiosity code located compute ncsu locations archie nearest hope stephan stephan amann computer graphics university berne switzerland amann unibe projects radiosity raytracing computer graphics 
needed plotting package nntp posting host zeus alta organization alta analytics lines article full glen fullmer writes graphics package unix file records count integer entity string entity string type string produce networked graph nodes represented boxes circles vertices represented lines width line determined line type type vertice boxes identified entity number entities vertices cross overs good layout looked comp graphics gnuplot success ideas appreciated glen fullmer glen fullmer roger grywalski response network visualization comp graphics visualization things chris murphy chris columbus 
rumours xxmessage xxdate organization university north texas useragent nuntius lines filled existence assumed rashly number reserved enhancements motorola line meted company guess assume computer industry operate logical manner article ricardo hernandez muchado ricardo vnet writes sean mini skeptic performance claiming centris flames reserve chicago consumer electronics show apple booth walked showing real time video capture radious supermac card digitize make spot quicktime movies quicktime version quicktime stated current version software older version horizon distant future digitized talking played back nicely real time expanded window resized frame rate decreased notice wasn anymore dropped increased dropped quicktime playing back movies size playing back resized movies apparently process expanding frame image dithering resultant bitmap depth pretty processor intensive optimizers work pretty showing movies double size drop size increase size performance suffers dramatically asked quadra model telling quicktime play back speed lcii lied quicktime dependent confused fact locked internal timecode play amount time machine drop frames order sound video synced centris quadras similar cpus boast similar performance quadras faster marginally faster clock speeds architecture spoiled claim quadra trouble hardisk memory newer version quicktime hardware assisted centris software product running animation supposedly macromind accelerator expect version quicktime software codecs video size frame rate version handle centris plain vanilla exception nice speakers playing sound software movie player player apple includes software misunderstand clarify problem surprises quicktime able things sean mcmains check gopher phone university north texas bands info server seanmac mail denton mcmains 
images earth organization utrecht university dept computer science lines ricky rick turner writes space directory ames nasa number earth images hunt subdirectories things tend filed mission apollo image subject colour amiga cloudless earth scanned mapped sphere mail send louis hanging words living breath feeling skin room 
removing distortion bitmapped drawings organization sctc lines scanned image line drawing case boat drawing reference points true positions digitize drawing manually case yaron danon excellent digitize program program converts cursor positions saves values click mouse digitizing notice reference point values digitizing process differ small significant ways true values understandable scanned drawing reproduction original successive sources distortion differential expansion contraction paper errors introduced printing process scanner errors errors uniform entire drawing global adjustments stretching contracting uniformly rotating drawing satisfactory question kind soul algorithm removing distortion sets points reference true values distortedreference points errors distorteddata points unknown errors function reference distorted apply distorteddata remove errors suspect problem solved treating distorted reference points resulting projection bumpy surface solving surface flattening remove errors data points kind informed soul ideas pointers treatments similar problems earl 
grasp reply havardn posting front winix conference running windows lines save frame grasp animation picture formats animations transfer amiga hope cheers haavard nesse trondheim college engineering trondheim norway 
comp graphics programmer organization center instructional research computing activities lines reply lioness nntp posting host maple circa article andreasa andreas arff writes netters kind thing ability create news group start discussion enjoy reading find difficult sort interested screen drivers graphics cards graphics programming graphics programs discused comp graphics programmer news group sounds wonderful spend time power comp graphics architecture comp graphics algorithms comp graphics algorithms comp graphics algorithms misc comp graphics hardware comp graphics misc comp graphics software apps overkill make happier comp graphics programmer comp graphics hardware comp graphics apps comp graphics misc nice specialized groups devote morphing raytracing image processing interactive graphics toolkits languages object systems posted relevant group mailing list organized reads news subject headings disparate system specific stuff comp comp programmer programming modex programming information fast sprites hardware technical stuff speed weitek drivers speedstar applications oriented stuff vistapro good dstudio image processing program amiga programming oriented stuff fast polygon routine needed good morphing alogirhtm wanted depth sort triangles library power stuff newsgroup brian 
cview answers organization whiting corporation harvey illinois newsreader lines bryanw bryan woodworth writes sean sean writes stupid question cview viewer linux windows hell able view gifs graphics linux windows love linux easy learn text linux text graphics linux windows simple painless required windows graphics includes fancy word processors image viewers umm differ kind soul program called view view images linux windows support biggest complaint painfully slow takes minute display image cshow takes split idea slow linux docs view 
graphics code package organization texas university lines nntp posting host tamvm tamu article razor unit runar jordahl writes tamu wrote code package data turn wireframe surface hidden lines removed machine code ansi ansi fortran basic data forms rectangular grid general interest question afraid reply reply 
postscript drawing prog organization rechenzentrum planck gesellschaft garching lines article nish chem purdue nishantha writes drawing utility manipulate postscript files specifically interested drawing lines boxes sort postscript contour plots xfig impressed features postscript files input programme utility converts postscript xfig format greatly appreciated nishantha optimistic postscript language format able interpreter arbitrary code program manipulate postscript files islanddraw xfig include postscript files converted epsi format small erasing letters adding text reinhard 
siggraph conference understanding images keywords graphics animation siggraph organization online systems development lines siggraph understanding images subject pace university siggraph conference understanding images purpose conference bring breadth disciplines including physical biological computational sciences technology psychology philosophy education order define discuss issues essential image understanding computer graphics context featured topics include psychology perception image analysis design text sound philosophy date friday saturday time place pace downtown theater pace plaza spruce street park gold street fees registration prior members members students proof status required registration site attendees registration includes brakfast breaks lunch send registration information fees francis marchese computer science department siggraph conference pace university pace plaza room york voice email marchesf bitnet registration information title company street address city state phone evening phone phone email detailed description artists designers scientists engineers educators share problem moving information mind traditionally pictures words demonstrations music dance communicate imagery expressing complex notions infinity seemingly defined concept flower present challenges exceed technical skills explosive computers visualization expression tools compounded problem hypermedia multimedia virtual reality systems vast amounts information confront observer participant wading multitude simultaneous images sounds possibly unfamiliar representions confounded user asks image construction transmission reception decipherment ultimate understanding complex tasks strongly influenced physiology education culture electronic media radically amplify processing step electronic communicators determine fundamental paradigms composing imagery understanding purpose conference bring breadth disciplines including limited physical biological computational sciences technology psychology philosophy education order define discuss issues essential image understanding computer graphics context featured speakers include psychology perception marc university ghent beverly jones university oregon barbara tversky standfor university michael shiffer hubbard ohio state university image analysis ravishankar watson research center nalini bhusan smith college xiaopin university illinois narenda ahuja university illinois sztander university toledo design mark bajuk university illinois alyce kaprow text pace university john loustau hunter college jong ding wang hunter college judson rosebush judson rosebush sound matthew witten university texas robert wyatt center high performance computing robert williams pace university rory stuart nynex philosophy michael heim education foundation dpma 
fake virtual reality organization university southern california angeles lines nntp posting host aludra mike peredo mike peredo writes ridiculous exploitation virtual reality clothing company recently opened vancouver chic clothes spot interesting selling virtual clothing mail phone promotional understand couple raves billing virtual reality parties hear project images walls animations newtek toaster adopt term virtual reality immersive stuff virtually virtual reality samuel pratice safe signature prevent dangerous signature virii guildenstern names shouted dawn message summons moment beginning missed 
removing distortion bitmapped drawings organization university alabama birmingham lines article boebert earl boebert writes scanned image line drawing case boat drawing reference points true positions digitize drawing manually case yaron danon excellent digitize program program converts cursor positions saves values click mouse digitizing notice reference point values digitizing process differ small significant ways true values understandable scanned drawing reproduction original successive sources distortion differential expansion contraction paper errors introduced printing process scanner errors errors uniform entire drawing global adjustments stretching contracting uniformly rotating drawing satisfactory question kind soul algorithm removing distortion sets points reference true values distortedreference points errors distorteddata points unknown errors function reference distorted apply distorteddata remove errors suspect problem solved treating distorted reference points resulting projection bumpy surface solving surface flattening remove errors data points helps idea source distortion reasonable model class distortion short description process questions feel free poke mail assume locally smooth distortion compute delaunay triangulation points defines neighbors point data naturally convex long edges convex hull deleting edges goals move distorteddata reference length measured current close digitizedlength measured digitized point compute displacement based points reference move alpha reference current slowly move distortedreference reference points examine current length edge edge compute displacement make edge correct length correct digitizedlength vector edge displacements move point alpha sumofedgedisplacements triangulated mesh consistent digitized mesh iterate happy point moves alpha alpha determined experimentation reference absolutely insist final points matching references balance error matching reference length edges warning couple geometric invariants observed essentially convex hull change triangles fold neighboring triangles handled special case checks motion individual points periodically triangulating points current positions calculating digitizedlength original positions triangulation time prohibitive motivated change code working production mode years back triangulate iteration compute power point interact point read linear solutions body problem lots papers years siggraph proceedings springs constraints energy calculations relevant method detail sloan author sloan kenneth david meyers christine curcio title reconstruction display retina booktitle proceedings graphics interface vision interface address vancouver canada pages month year curcio author christine curcio kenneth sloan david meyers title computer methods sampling reconstruction display analysis retinal mounts number institution department computer science university washington address seattle month december year curcio author christine curcio kenneth sloan david meyers title computer methods sampling reconstruction display analysis retinal mounts journal vision research volume number pages year kenneth sloan computer information sciences sloan university alabama birmingham campbell hall station birmingham 
outlining spline surface keywords spline rasterization lines year started work problem appeared simple turned difficult wondering problem published solutions problem draw outline surface defined roughly parallel cubic splines inputs problem essentially starts sets points points edge object treat dimensional extant edges exists dimensional space draw object cubic spline points spline effectively computed sequence line segments approximating curve spline equal number segments assume segment spline roughly distance spline reasonable measure segment spline match segment opposing spline pair segments form triangles filled color surface depth sort triangles triangle sorted order project pixmap draw color triangle edge triangle edge surface draw line edge colored special edge color edge coloring step heart problem idea effectively outline edge surface result generally lots breaks gaps edge surface reasons fairly complicated involve rasterization problems problems resulting projecting splines problem sounds familiar knowing work area 
flat globe lines newsreader algorithm flattening globe parametric surface definied parametrically sheet paper knife able calculate paper fold globe object marco seirio real life marse 
images earth organization unocal corporation lines article clldomps louis dompselaar writes ricky rick turner writes space directory ames nasa number earth images hunt subdirectories things tend filed mission apollo image subject colour amiga cloudless earth scanned mapped sphere mail send beware copyrighted image company generated protect copyright image hundreds hours build source satellite images competing images 
newsgroup split organization university michigan engineering arbor lines distribution world nntp posting host engin umich proposed newsgroup split personally favor learn awful aspects graphics reading group code hardware algorithms making groups wate result posts week group kind convenience forum discussing aspects graphics feel curious daemon 
surface intersections organization international foundation internal freedom lines marse marco seirio writes problem intersections surfaces easy understand algorithm source marco seirio real life marse severe problem news headers purdue vanecek pull proxima proxima tres spif lance norskog thinman data information knowledge wisdom 
page flipping mode organization massey university palmerston north zealand reader netnews version lines write bank page memory colour mode perform page flipping animation buffering screen mask registers perform required task note able work standard necessarily svga card advance andrew 
imagine organization university pittsburgh lines netters finally received information imagine presently shipping version software release version quarter upgrade purchase imagine costs upgrading eligible call info modeler shipping handling requires megs math coprocessor microsoft mouse svga card replies product received contrasting replies scrounge money plunge info impulse find sheet impulse xerxes avenue north minneapolis replies scott scott snowiss sasst pitt turn jack jack 
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passthrough cables organization western michigan university lines phone number place passthrough hook card card whcih cable connects type cable connect card video blaster brad 
detecting double points bezier curves organization node groningen lines information detecting calculating double point cusp bezier curve algorithm literature reference mail appreciated ferdinand 
computer graphics organization university virginia lines image computer monitor videotape harder standard outputs ntsc format televisions equipment conversion hard hands costs access amiga computer ntsc output transfer types graphic files modem tape ntsc output frame frame lead unbelievably scratchy animation good amiga animation program local public access cable station equipment 
newsgroup split disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host rchland organization rochester lines article tdawson umich chris herringshaw writes proposed newsgroup split personally favor learn awful aspects graphics reading group code hardware algorithms making groups wate result posts week group kind convenience forum discussing aspects graphics feel curious daemon agree raist owner colors palette love valid address send mail 
ellipse organization university southern california angeles lines distribution world nntp posting host caspian keywords ellipse touched problem posted week guess question clear describe detail offset ellipse locus center circle rolls ellipse words distance ellipse offset problem geometric measurement probe probe ball computer outputs positions ball center offset ellipse ellipse answer ironically dmis american indutrial standard ellipse software implemented base dmis wrong software sold internationaly imagine people suffer qualified parts ellipse discarded importantly defective parts ellipse employed consultant company angeles year specially solve problem spent months analysis problem months programming solution nonlinear ideal reconstruct ellipse entire half offset difficult find original ellipse quarter segment offset method analytical wondering touch base make things complicated give hint argue problem people involved problem sphere poits ellipse offset post share interests emails netters summary answers 
newsgroup split organization university southern california angeles lines distribution world nntp posting host caspian article tdawson umich chris herringshaw writes proposed newsgroup split personally favor learn awful aspects graphics reading group code hardware algorithms making groups wate result posts week group kind convenience forum discussing aspects graphics feel curious daemon agree daemon 
wayne rigby organization state university york stony brook lines distribution world nntp posting host csws sunysb clog news group message wayne rigby info requested reason mail contact send email address real programmer function caffeine internet john muller muller llnl muller llnl jmuller sunysb drunk grab grass grass falling earth stupid comedian 
cview answers keywords stupid programming organization sales technologies lines bryan williams writes majority users readding floppy picture roms cview fast works moron lacked foresight create temp file program path current didrectory flexible create temp files check temp environment variable create files drive directory pointedto variable pretty standard windows applications opinion bearing person organization including employer rknight sales technologies 
splitting trimming region mesh organization university kentucky dept math sciences lines problem hope gurus solve background problem rectangular mesh domain mesh mapping bezier patch area domain inside trimming loop rendered trimming loop bezier curve segments sake notation mesh made cells problem trimming area split individual smaller cells bounded trimming curve segments cell wholly inside area output trivially rejected body thiss algo appreciated irritated human stay cool divine 
detecting double points bezier curves reply jbulf berkeley jeff bulf organization kubota pacific computers lines article ferdinan waterland wlink ferdinand oeinck writes information detecting calculating double point cusp bezier curve algorithm literature reference mail appreciated article issues transactions graphics maureen stone authors specific reference article general giving decide cubic bezier curve cusps intersection points wierdness treatment siggraph notes called math siggraph memory jbulf 
video djlewis organization university arkansas rock nntp posting host athena ualr lines article mscrap marta lyall writes organization world information fingertips keywords article craig columbiasc craig williamson writes ready multimedia workstation advice graphics card video windows originally thinking targa work windows cards craig forgive divine craig williamson airhead human craig williamson balki bartokomas craig columbiasc home perfect strangers craig targa windows time work works fine driver josh west email mscrap puts products windows model numbers elude video board framegrabber yesterday product local software store media vision makes color frame capture board stand doesnot feature connector existing video card claims upto live capture single frame composite ntsc video lewis 
stand editing suite article shelley qvkaeinngat distribution world organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host stein washington upgrading animation video editing stand type setups roll cuts station controlled computer brand doesnt matter amiga high system setups helpful system system mail system requirements hardware software system info mail eylerken washington advance eylerken washington 
grasp organization southwest state univ lines nntp posting host smsu newsreader article havardn haavard nesse writes save frame grasp animation picture formats grasp animation system easy simply glib extract image frame complete file utilities convert grasp package afraid grasp graphics animation system professionals commercial product sells mail order companies corey webb corey webb wisdom grief smsu increaseth knowledge increaseth bitnet sorrow ecclesiastes means experienced speaking jimi hendrix 
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rumours nntp posting host snake organization microware systems corp moines iowa lines article sean mcmains writes article ricardo hernandez muchado ricardo vnet writes understand supposedly variation running speed sprites interested hands fact motorola released supposedly lineup excited signetics motorola gave number understand rightly instruction chip serial port typing computer running rate doubt clock rate ricardo vnet claims james jones 
wanted multi page organization korea advanced institute science technology newsreader lines searching packages handle multi page files servers works windows package works unix advance 
physics loses number nntp posting host orion summary pointer address weird graphics modes keywords lines starting address pointer beginning color information mode soo hugs kisses advance john mail eapu 
rticles flocking reply james kewageshig organization canada remote systems distribution comp lines point articles boids flocking algorithms articles particle animation formulas nice james kewageshig uucp james kewageshig fidonet james kewageshig deluxe head signature virus canada remote systems toronto ontario 
mail address etna organization eicn switzerland lines recently found subdirectory gnuish frequently spark station problems start computer option display menu start file hard disk turns seconds prompt back computer copro mega rams tseng running himem driver somenone solution apprecied advance pascal perret perret etna ecole ingnieur time locle suisse enjoy computer 
polygon splitting algo organization university wollongong australia lines nntp posting host wampyr keywords polygons splitting clipping idea clip polygon polygon necessarily rectangular window problem finding vertices resulting subpolygons simply matter extending usual algorithm edges polygon checked polygon simpler comments noel 
jensen bitmap code organization computer centre monash university australia lines read july joshua jensen posted article bitmap manipulation specifically scaling perspective newsgroup games programmer article article included source code turbo pascal inline assembly language unable find archive newsgroup current email address joshua jensen details copy code gratefully myles myles strous email myles strous monash raytracing phone urgent grasp reality cardboard proud team archchancellor mustrum ridcully reaper terry pratchett 
readers viewers organization australian national university canberra lines distribution world nntp posting host originator markus wrote point utility read convert crop whatnot display image files stuff ncsa award directory structure strange storage approaches minimalist documentation turned mirror sites looked fooled restructuring original site zaphod ncsa uiuc mess pointer imconv started muchly cheers markus markus buchhorn parallel computing research facility email markus australian national university canberra australia international australia phone 
motion video card organization west virginia network educational telecomputing lines convert motion video file format data portion byte byte color intensity ideas algorhtyms programs info television signal info reply mail address basically converting digital ntsc format displaying captured video pictures byte 
tseng pixel clock organization technical university brno czech republic keywords svga pixel clock summary svga pixel clock lines program tseng nonstandard mode switching standard mode bios changing timing details registers select pixel clock bios function selects obtain technical info interested technical information tseng trident chipsets pavel zemcik dept comp technical university brno bozetechova brno czech republic mail zemcik vutbr 
root window display background picture keywords background picture organization objective systems integrators folsom lines netters fairly weak question netland looked comp graphics find answer post short question display raster files files tiff images root window background openwindows helps compiled display work background tile information provide good scott fleming kudo people provided great 
readers viewers organization australian national university canberra lines distribution world nntp posting host originator markus point utility read convert crop whatnot display image files stuff ncsa award directory structure strange storage approaches minimalist documentation part problem large files crop section ideally hdftoppm type utility pbmplus stuff merrily convert cropped part format viewing animation explain ncsa visualisation beta cropping suns sunos greatly appreciated muchly cheers markus markus buchhorn parallel computing research facility email markus australian national university canberra australia international australia phone markus buchhorn parallel computing research facility email markus australian national university canberra australia international australia phone 
grayscale printer organization brunel university uxbridge newsreader version distribution lines jian jian dartmouth wrote interested purchasing grayscale printer offers good resoltuion grayscale medical images give recommendations products market advice peter hauke brunel university 
tiff philosophical significance organization kongsberg ingeniorhogskole lines nntp posting host samson newsreader version ulrich toppoint wrote tiff specification tiff version number bytes chosen deep philosophical significance read rotfl finally philosphy technical spec wondered makes significant week read hitchhikers guide galaxy rotfl time millions years calculation computer time reveals answer question life universe picked number suggestions douglas adams pretty launched guide showing place thing sheep creature earth joachim back masking haaden exposure robert fripp 
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mode speedstar summary routines color speedstar keywords diamond speedstar organization york university lines diamond speedstar board program graphics possibly color libraries supporting modes board somes simple routines graphics mode plot individual pixels great plan routines djgp advance respond mail david 
flat globe lines nntp posting host marse marco seirio writes algorithm flattening globe parametric surface definied parametrically sheet paper knife able calculate paper fold globe object library projections charon usgs proj 
motion video card disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host danebury hursley organization labs lines contact offline rick 
organization lines mail address etna writes recently found subdirectory gnuish copy mailed post mail address wayne michael 
rumours disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host rchland organization rochester lines article jejones james jones writes article sean mcmains writes article ricardo hernandez muchado ricardo vnet writes understand supposedly variation running speed sprites interested hands fact motorola released supposedly lineup excited signetics motorola gave number understand rightly instruction chip serial port typing computer running rate doubt clock rate ricardo vnet claims james jones upto running speed understand running read long time sprites tricks making cool awesome games read psygnosis raist owner colors palette love valid address send mail 
newsgroup split organization university texas austin lines distribution world nntp posting host sylvester utexas reply tdawson umich message article tdawson umich chris herringshaw writes proposed newsgroup split personally favor learn awful aspects graphics reading group code hardware algorithms making groups wate result posts week group kind convenience forum discussing aspects graphics feel curious agree dizzying number amiga newsgroups addition issues fall cleanly categories readily observable current spectrum amiga groups plagued mega crossposting group split likelihood bring structured environment michael nerone customary lack tact internet address asked obliged nerone utexas pardon sagredo fictional char galileo 
tiff philosophical significance organization purdue university lines article cptully christopher tully pathology writes tight matter tiff gripe problems important volunteer define critique spec spec quoted posting gripe tiff complicated infinitely easier write read hurts acceptance read images paint programs nutshell tiff salvageable trimmed significantly tiff anymore back late change magic number signify lack compatibility make happy 
fonts nntp posting host bart organization inesc porto portugal lines rtrace tracer supports text primitive collections spheres cylinders chars made lines splines extruded asterix inescn directory rtrace rtrace demo images high quality text called text jpeg encoded antonio antonio costa mail inescn acosta inescn comp graphics decnet porto costa largo mompilher uucp mcvax porto portugal bell good times roll 
rtrace keywords tracing nntp posting host bart organization inesc porto portugal lines version rtrace tracing package asterix inescn directory rtrace check readme file rtrace suit toolkit nice user interface compile dsuit modify makefile suit suit virginia binaries rtrace suit sparc indigo contact interested rtrace port directory rtrace macintosh reid judd reid judd greg ferrar gregt ohio state small version discard backface polygons triangles fast preview support program reworked temp files short description current converters molecular chemistry packages format package programs related marked modified irit irit nffclean nffp acad rtrace alchemy picmix picblend ppmmix chem ppmblend chemical studio iris inventor port rtrace rtrace rtrac utils image readme file requires djgpp extender version included found directory djgpp sites netland demo scenes manuals source code feel free hope antonio costa antonio costa mail inescn comp graphics decnet porto acosta largo mompilher uucp mcvax porto portugal bell good times roll 
images earth organization utrecht university dept computer science lines stgprao unocal richard ottolini writes beware copyrighted image company generated protect copyright image hundreds hours build source satellite images competing images newspaper printing article copyrights louis hanging words living breath feeling skin room 
newsgroup split organization university karlsruhe germany lines distribution world nntp posting host verm karlsruhe mime version content type text plain charset content transfer encoding article nerone utexas michael nerone writes article tdawson umich chris herringshaw writes proposed newsgroup split personally favor learn awful aspects graphics reading group code hardware algorithms making groups wate result posts week group kind convenience forum discussing aspects graphics feel curious agree dizzying number amiga newsgroups addition issues fall cleanly categories readily observable current spectrum amiga groups plagued mega crossposting group split likelihood bring structured environment michael nerone customary lack tact internet address asked obliged nerone utexas pardon sagredo fictional char galileo nice hard ware platforms hard ware fixed case unix interested amiga news case software comercial software mentioned newgroup unix platform interested information suggest split group problem cross posting read newgroups half size important reduce traffic sincerely gerhard writing privat person reflecting opinions inst hydromechanics university karlsruhe land baden wuerttemberg federal republic germany european community address phone number touch writing typing wrong statement avoid suits dipl gerhard bosch voice institute hydromechanic university karlsruhe kaiserstrasse karlsruhe germany internet bosch verm karlsruhe bitnet bitnet 
wanted info image databases organization computing services division university wisconsin milwaukee lines distribution world nntp posting host originator mini guess subject references introductory material image databases send pointers mini advance mini mini 
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stay innovision nntp posting host bolero organization network lines uakron steve rimar writes works fine mine beautiful year half bought viewsonic great monitor imho kevin martin sigma gotta 
detecting double points bezier curves disclaimer posting represents poster views news software ureply lines ferdinand oeinck writes information detecting calculating double point cusp bezier curve maureen stone tony derose geometric characterization parametric cubic curves july capelli corp dept capelli poughkeepsie answers cross references 
grasp organization icgeb lines smsu corey webb writes article havardn haavard nesse writes save frame grasp animation picture formats grasp animation system easy simply glib extract image frame complete file utilities convert grasp package afraid grasp graphics animation system professionals commercial product sells mail order companies corey webb public domain utilities usual archive site extraction single frames file check graphics directories grasp problem files generate decoded format converters hint problems locating utilities hope helps jacques oberto 
tiff philosophical significance nntp posting host bolero organization network lines joachim joachim lous writes suggestions douglas adams pretty launched guide showing place douglas adams paraphrased memory picked sort number afraid home meet parents nice perfectly normal kevin martin sigma gotta 
nntp posting host bolero organization network lines mail address etna writes somenone solution apprecied guess requires commonly djgpp setup programs running requires interfacing kevin martin sigma gotta 
postscript driver gino organization univerity brighton lines anonymous postscript driver graphics libraries gino verison runnining outputing plots postscript file advance koon tang internet bton department mathematical sciences uucp uknet itri university brighton brighton 
info medical imaging systems organization college engineering university california davis lines medical imaging good tracing background interested field point sources experience talk working jason freund 
paradise organization university sussex lines paradise svga chip docs display modes colours cols ramdac hicolor chip checked board chip problem mode work graphics workshop claims display images dithered colour board work writing assembler code modes working found pixel addressed word lower bits considered mode mode refuses work remains text mode tristan 
nti aliasing utility wanted nntp posting host murphy biochem umanitoba organization university manitoba lines povray wondering netland public domain anti aliasing utilities skip step slow machine suggestions opinions post trace anti aliasing greatly appreciated helmut dotzlaw dept biochemistry molecular biology university manitoba winnipeg canada dotzlaw umanitoba 
cview question cview answers organization texas university academic computing services lines distribution world nntp posting host rigel tamu news software vnews cview work color mode trident color card colors screwed worst program hangs loaded vesa driver thing machines work trident viewer lisa 
root window display background picture organization university michigan engineering arbor lines distribution world nntp posting host llullaillaco engin umich keywords background picture originator tdawson engin umich information post general public load image root window line xsession file xloadimage onroot fullscreen assuming xloadimage client switches pretty explain leave terminal locks till kill knew hope helps daemon 
wanted multi page organization microdata helsinki finland nntp posting host mits mdata lines article stjohn kaist ryou seong joon writes searching packages handle multi page files viewer vpic lasse mdata 
tracer organization university michigan engineering arbor lines distribution world nntp posting host llullaillaco engin umich originator tdawson engin umich repeat request good free shareware program create traces save mapped files thing advance daemon 
images earth organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host sandman caltech newspaper printing article copyrights newspaper copyrighted permission image copyright mark 
images earth organization unocal corporation lines article clldomps louis dompselaar writes stgprao unocal richard ottolini writes beware copyrighted image company generated protect copyright image hundreds hours build source satellite images competing images newspaper printing article copyrights explicit image attributed geosphere company likelihood permission reprint owner individuals interesting images make computer demos pirate flak image considered interesting people global needed lots temptation mail person source data satellite imagery copyrighted derived image true distinctive creative expression data protected image fits tremendous effort create precedent recent telephone book court case bell copyright data books prevent competitors copying trick entries book court permitted copyright expression data data xerox sell telephone book attention digital copyrights future computer mass product moguls bill gates hoarding digital copyrights prefer geosphere data public domain interesting things 
images earth organization evans sutherland computer corp salt lake city lines distribution world reply dingebre david ingebretsen nntp posting host downloaded image earth constructed elevation data degree increments author wrote code included read data file generated pseudo color images work incumbered copyright aminet site called earth amiga misc area refer included docs details author forget created images data included david david ingebretsen evans sutherland computer corp dingebre disclaimer content message reflects opinions employer actions encouraged supported acknowledged employer 
polygon splitting algo organization university southern california angeles lines distribution world nntp posting host caspian keywords polygons splitting clipping article coronado emmanuel abad writes idea clip polygon polygon necessarily rectangular window problem finding vertices resulting subpolygons simply matter extending usual algorithm edges polygon checked polygon simpler comments noel depends kind polygons convex simple concave trouble concave loop inside trouble test avoid checking edges experience simple headache stuff deal special cases overlapped lines 
images earth organization homewood academic computing johns hopkins university baltimore lines nntp posting host jhunix article clldomps louis dompselaar writes newspaper printing article copyrights newspaper copyrighted entirety newspapers generally employ legal staffs make permission copyrighted image text john john humpal johnh short disclaimer 
comp graphics programmer organization purdue university lines article lioness circa writes overkill make happier comp graphics programmer comp graphics hardware comp graphics apps comp graphics misc closer dislike apps software hardware engulf graphics pixutils programmer traffic heavy warrant newsgroup split busy comp graphics research true traffic rehashing faqs discussing things diverted system specific groups split hurt comp graphics rtfb people bothered read fine books rogers 
stand editing suite article lclark organization lewis clark college portland lines article eylerken washington eyler writes upgrading animation video editing stand type setups roll cuts station controlled computer brand doesnt matter amiga high system setups helpful system system mail system requirements hardware software system info mail eylerken washington advance eylerken washington lewis clark college recently installed digital film system based quadra linear full digital editing system pros cons educational environment system excellent produce variety educational materials disemination local network programming viewed macs image quality important ability directly export video produce orientiation promotional video programs lewis clark community programs meant commercial broadcast image quality critical digital film system uninitiated roll digitizing system jpeg compression card promoted inexpensive online editing system svhs quality supermac maker card achieve quality level unable deliver system produces quality fields overscan card repeats field fields results kind super film find distracting past problem find adobe premier editing software enjoyable work produces thousands effects crystalize filters transitions color matting linear nature editing fast easy avid montage system recognize methodology user interface total system quadra megs drive apple itor panasonic svhs edit deck audio gear cassette mixer composite monitor digital film card back video cowboys system output quality satisfy clients perform effects toasterhead imagine amiga based line based system macs amigas video work snodgrass media services lewis clark college portland 
problems organization tampere university technology lines distribution world nntp posting host note newsgroups recent discussion problems held newsgroup text users find interesting added text collection article read articles hope author corrects problems fine program worth improving minor ideas mail misundertanding mine understandable juhana kouhia clip deleted note saves rasterized images means saved jpegs jpeg jpeg quality kind quantizers final image quality depends situation read jpeg imho design error confusing errors programs errors saving rasterized image jpeg original saving rasterized image original special case saving rasterized image made quantizer main case quantizes image quantizer saving image file lousier quantizers viewing purposes special cases saving image clip clip deleted limit limit design error design error quantized rasterized images stored jpegs jpeg designed matter fact designed displays error program program images time image formats included program design changed support images program violate jpeg design image format program human interface errors otherway drop saving images jpegs format special case expected normal deleted clip items clip quantizes image poorly option default option reason surely quantizer surprise ppmquant remember tested quantizers test found rlequant default djpeg fbmquant default order test ppmquant suggeeded poorly gave image artifacts ppmquant improved expect option good idea suggest author quantizer rlequant people permission imagemagick tested clip clip minor bugs human interface pressings cursor clicks buffer make click errors press keyboard cursor wrong place annoying waited image minutes immediately buffer cleaned image complete good idea wait seconds activating keyboard mouse image completed image pops screen quickly writing editor pressings image weird color editor turn color meter release updates images impossible change values updated image annoying wait image updated setting ready suggest adding apply button update exchanges clip 
newsgroup split lines nntp posting host organization ostfold college article tdawson umich chris herringshaw writes tdawson umich chris herringshaw subject newsgroup split date proposed newsgroup split personally favor learn awful aspects graphics reading group code hardware algorithms making groups wate result posts week group kind convenience forum discussing aspects graphics feel curious daemon actuallay hand support idea newsgroup aspect graphics programming proposed brian reply original posting suggest looser structure comp graphics programmer comp graphics reason making groups reason spilt postings takes time browse postings find interested understand agree aspects graphics meeting agree extension news forum exchange ideas helped difficult achive things meeting good evening netters arff religous confessor mystery higher values birth mankind builds indisputible disregarded seldom hear beeing prized seldom hear prizeing sees lagerkvist fist free translation swedish andreas arff andreasa 
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radiosity reply danny hawrysio organization canada remote systems distribution comp lines source code radiosity method kind machine program radiance source code access canada remote systems toronto ontario 
newsgroup split lines nntp posting host organization ostfold college article nerone utexas michael nerone writes nerone utexas michael nerone subject newsgroup split date article tdawson umich chris herringshaw writes proposed newsgroup split personally favor learn awful aspects graphics reading group code hardware algorithms making groups wate result posts week group kind convenience forum discussing aspects graphics feel curious agree dizzying number amiga newsgroups addition issues fall cleanly categories readily observable current spectrum amiga groups plagued mega crossposting group split likelihood bring structured environment michael nerone customary lack tact internet address asked obliged nerone utexas pardon sagredo fictional char galileo point talking amiga comp graphics arff religous confessor mystery higher values birth mankind builds indisputible disregarded seldom hear beeing prized seldom hear prizeing sees lagerkvist fist free translation swedish andreas arff andreasa 
coreldraw bitmap scodal organization industrial research zealand lines nntp posting host grace software convert coreldraw files bitmaps scodal format bureau filmrecorder recognises jeff lyall inst lower hutt zealand 
fast polygon routine needed keywords polygon needed article pdxgate organization portland state university computer science dept lines article osprey uiuc lucas adamski writes article orourke smith joseph rourke writes fast polygon routine draw polygons mode game faster draw concave polygons method slow kind polygons shaded texturemapped play fast routines polygons nice exaclty system start processor specifics implementation give info answers romanick dancing fool epsilon contained thoughts opinions ntsc quality agree douche anti freeze dead milkmen 
radiosity nntp posting host zirkel lance colostate organization colorado state engineering college keywords radiosity lines article write working radiosity package written make public domain announce minute finished good news news months finish traditional radiosity method progressive refinement package project patches hemi cube surfaces technique hardware facilitate projection meantime file radiosity code located compute ncsu guest username password site locations archie nearest hope stephan stephan josephine 
tiff philosophical significance reply kaufman stanford organization department stanford university california lines joachim joachim lous writes ulrich toppoint wrote tiff specification tiff version number bytes chosen deep philosophical significance week read hitchhikers guide galaxy rotfl time millions years calculation computer time reveals answer question life universe picked number suggestions moment king time busily writing note book called silence read book rule forty persons mile high leave court looked alice mile high alice king miles high added queen rate alice regular rule invented oldest rule book king number alice marc kaufman kaufman stanford 
cview question reply ddeciacco compulink lines reply tamu preston lisa trident card fullview works real dave 
univesa driver reply seth acpub duke seth wandersman lines nntp posting host north acpub duke univesa driver thought finally board able show colors program fault program fractint wrong card univesa free driver makes boards vesa compatible 
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fast polygon routine needed keywords polygon needed organization university illinois urbana champaign lines article romanick writes kind polygons shaded texturemapped play fast routines polygons nice exaclty system start processor specifics implementation give info answers texture mapped asked simple fast routine filled polygons processor minimum find good ideally polyn function clip user defined viewport write arbitrary location memory chances finding pretty remote guess source guess slow polygon routines waay slow vector graphics program hunting high polyn function find found polyn functions pretty rewrite lucas 
ribbon information organization engineering university central florida orlando distribution lines kind utility program ribbons ribbons popular representation shape find symmetry axis shape ribbons suggestions greatly appreciated start program advance 
data saved images organization penn state university lines find program figure extract values pixel image convert everal popular formats values program writing 
fast polygon routine needed keywords polygon needed organization university tasmania australia lines osprey uiuc lucas adamski writes article orourke smith joseph rourke writes article osprey uiuc lucas adamski writes fast polygon routine game fast polygon routine draw polygons mode game fast triangle fill draw routine mode calling routine times fast polygon drawing routine wuarchive wustl msdos uploads programming copy reupload triangle file inline assembly source mode triangle drawer stephen quan quan surv utas local research fellow computer scientist local centre spatial information systems university tasmania australia 
fast wireframe graphics distribution organization columbia university department computer science lines working program display wireframe models user able arbitrarily change viewing parameters wireframe objects dynamic attributes move user exploring wireframe world thinking srgp package foley feiner book wondering graphics package faster make program fast satisfactory real time performance ideally graphics package open window draw lines window sort event driven interaction handling user move wireframe models keyboard wrote package grateful direct site package yong class internet columbia columbia college columbia university ykim columbia 
sales practices crimson kubota announcement organization silicon graphics mountain view lines ucsd steve lamont writes annoyed fact able upgrade multiprocessor version crimson assistance fork lift truck made fairly clear crimson style upgrade mentioned comp occasion sales folks confused honest ethical chain inside misleading annoyed sold personal irises previous site understanding architecture flushed versions admittedly time period years chassis simply pushed years pretty good lifespan system design work caused gray hairs hardware product design groups minds push made clear started shipping kicker form elan graphics made graphics versions lifespan pretty good understand responsible investors showing positive quarterly bottom line found pressured occasions business books quarter tired boned process means send complaint letter support sales concerns reason sales folks misrepresent future upgrades customers confusion upgrade long referring sales folks bonus quarters pretty common industry wide result good deals customers pushes folks systems forcing quarter buys sgis onesies twosies entitled peek covers kids nasa instance suspect labs long lead time presentations products opinions influence product life industry design systems meet sell systems niche products reality engine organizations load money spend computers year buying systems regular basis boxes pretty entire grant period years case means piece equipment money product built paraphrase previous poster words fill niche compete vendor years time spent money money supported federal dollars surely expect system year period constantly upgradable entire year period unreasonable expectation experience workstations microcomputers supported parts upgradable latest greatest pardon hiss fume corner dark libelous thoughts missed posting means share frustation level inside effect complaints affect future plans hear similar things person site usual personal opinion silence consent dave olson silent dissents silicon graphics maria isabel barreno olson start sabbatical questions 
pascal fractals organization state university york albany advance lines albany bitnet heavy home 
detecting double points bezier curves nntp posting host hutcs organization helsinki university technology finland lines article jbulf berkeley jeff bulf writes article ferdinan waterland wlink ferdinand oeinck writes information detecting calculating double point cusp bezier curve algorithm literature reference mail appreciated article issues transactions graphics maureen stone authors specific reference stone derose geometric characterization parametric cubic curves trans graphics manocha canny detecting cusps inflection points curves computer aided geometric design pekka siltanen 
coreldraw bitmap scodal disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host danebury hursley organization watson research lines coreldraw write scodl files directly file export main menu rick 
tiff philosophical significance organization kongsberg ingeniorhogskole lines nntp posting host samson newsreader version marc kaufman kaufman stanford wrote suggestions moment king time busily writing note book called silence read book rule forty persons mile high leave court looked alice mile high alice king miles high added queen rate alice regular rule invented oldest rule book king number alice collection occurances guide receive bits postings douglas adams thing sheep creature earth joachim back masking haaden exposure robert fripp 
tiff philosophical significance organization brunel university uxbridge newsreader version lines joachim lous joachim wrote ulrich toppoint wrote suggestions theory heard bandied thinking number sound sort anagram peter peter hauke brunel university 
pascal fractals organization state university york albany lines apparently editor wanted programs code simple animation drawing fractals turbopascal advance albany bitnet heavy home 
irit keywords raytracer format conversion reply schmidt ilmenau schmidt organization technische hochschule ilmenau lines nntp posting host merkur prakinf ilmenau made converter irit format format sebastian schmidt ilmenau institut praktische informatik 
rtrace organization brunel university uxbridge lines newsreader version comp graphics cgcad inescn wrote version rtrace tracing package asterix inescn directory rtrace check readme file reach site ping icmp unreachable gateway sura icmp ccws brunel upload mainstream place 
grasp organization lines quoted oberto icgeb trieste jacques oberto file check graphics directories grasp problem files generate decoded format converters hint stuff show aminet sites includes utility called filter hamlab handle commonly kinds files biggest problem files palette convert palette creates picpal file convert files jacques oberto john bickers jbickers actrix radioactivity kraftwerk 
sources nntp posting host utis utwente organization university twente dept computer science lines anonymous site find sources package portable gray pixel compile sparcstation 
fractals good organization purdue university lines article mdpyssc cunningham writes iterated systems compression board compress pathology images ratios loss quality taking mins image compress decompression real time software compare jpeg images hardware size speed image quality concerned skeptical rabid postings criticizing barnsley company interested technique critical 
univesa driver djlewis organization university arkansas rock nntp posting host athena ualr lines article seth acpub duke seth wandersman writes univesa driver thought finally board able show colors program fault program fractint wrong card univesa free driver makes boards vesa compatible whats color mode hardware lewis 
radiosity reply amann unibe organization university berne institute computer science applied mathematics special interest group computer graphics lines article acns colostate lance colostate zhao writes article write working radiosity package written make public domain announce minute finished good news news months finish traditional radiosity method progressive refinement package package based articles standard radiosity unpublished methods main articles cohen chen wallace greenberg progressive refinement approach fast radiosity image generation computer graphics siggraph august silion puech general pass method integrating specular diffuse reflection computer graphics siggraph july project patches hemi cube surfaces technique hardware facilitate projection hemi cubes special hardware sparcstation meantime file radiosity code located compute ncsu guest username password site anonymous username mail address password locations archie nearest hope stephan stephan josephine stephan stephan amann computer graphics university berne switzerland amann unibe projects radiosity raytracing computer graphics 
mail address etna organization eicn switzerland lines response wayne michael late answer find msdos forgot address retrieve posting answer comp graphics mail english swiss language french long time retrieve address find site omnigate clarkson aliases grape clarkson number msdos djgpp read answer kevin martin write answer advance pascal perret perret etna ecole ingnieur time locle suisse enjoy computer 
studio differences previous version keywords studio nntp posting host boole imag organization university grenoble france lines significant differences helping marc mail marc fombaron imag marc fombaron grenoble 
coreldraw bitmap scodal nntp posting host speedwell reply freemant glasgow organization dept computing science glasgow university glasgow lines software convert coreldraw files bitmaps scodal format bureau filmrecorder recognises jeff lyall combination recorder remember corel export scodal format select export main file menu implemented earlier versions case time strange undesirable things part screen area corel spent afternoon painfully discovering pixel strayed screen causing slide blank handle grad fill grad fill graduated colour background grad fill object fill appears final slide circle totally ignores shape object filled recorder ignore feel suitably cheers toby toby freeman glasgow university 
needd vesa originator lulagos nntp posting host cipres uchile organization centro computacion universidad chile lines svga chip vesa program card mail lulagos uchile mackk 
paintbrush distribution world organization file bank fallbrook reply luis nobrega luis nobrega lines configure zsoft paintbrush logitech scanman hand scanner paintbrush acknowledge scanner paintbrush scanner luis nobrega file bank pcboard nodes rime internet largest clipper file collection world 
organization kongsberg ingeniorhogskole lines nntp posting host samson newsreader version mailaddress etna wrote late answer find msdos forgot address retrieve posting answer comp graphics mail english swiss language french french language counting french stead work thing sheep creature earth joachim back masking haaden exposure robert fripp 
cview answers organization moscom corp rochester lines newsreader version cyberspace buddha wrote renew stack rene walter writes places temp files places current directory differ point batch file launch cview cview resides invokes time crash cview byte temp file found root drive cview posted cview expert apparently thought knew matthew zenkar 
image pictures lines organization advice software hardware package making storing processing pictures ideal software cahnge size picture edit means text important command interface advance emanuel marciniak bank york 
needed hidden line removal summary roberts algorithm hidden line removal keywords hidden line graphics organization department computer science distribution comp lines information hidden line removal roberts algorithm code pseudo code helpful required class monday time implement fast paced class notes class leave desired vastly algorithm nice roberts main problem objects intersecting dimensions lines clip object front give address filename good book brian raynor 
otis project sites original images keywords licks organization university nebraska omaha lines otis project operative term stimulate file updated otis otis purpose distributing original artwork photographs network public perusal scrutiny distribution digital immortality basic idea digital immortality computer networks stay interesting deposit forever gifs jpgs today artifacts digital future formats surviving backup tapes interest otis offers forum critique exhibition works virtual gallery closes exists information dimension submissions hang wallpaper thousands glowing monitors suddenly life breathed work merit stimulus travel globe pulses light electrons spectators feel free browse gallery artists efforts copies images gumption otis sites projects otis site sunsite multimedia pictures otis sunsite gopher site otis anonymous site internet change directory forget busy command make binary otis spreading dial systems north america systems substancial supply otistuff underground cafe omaha lines cyberden sanfran usenet waffle iron contribute draw pretty picture lovely photo scanned image file contrib incoming directory uuencode send email addresses email image received correct directory computer originated works otis directories house types image files files require oddly viewer viewers types computers large sites internet viewers tougher find find viewer obtain conversion program change files standard format otis accepts animation files submit image files send email time stating information uploaded publications projects people view include biographical information info files contributing artist works upload text file info emailing pictures scanner hope send copies otis project stastny omaha scan scan include ample sase stuff back include information image preferably line description image include infofile directory finally preferences images named include conversely scanner contact arrange things submit works disk peachy send disk address omaha sase disk back good people direct access encoders access scanner accept disks compatible format submit image files convert formats senders request fill disks otis stand stuff contribute send blank disk sase disk postage packing slab otis megabytes files growing email current archive size directory distribution images distributed otis project distributed freely condition original filename altered save convert image format fact encourage files distributed local bulletin boards transport text files images nice send note post images otis local track participants idea widespread stuff purpose otis images spread time upload favorite system post info file keen works find otis directory check permission granted stipulations permission free copy publication full address credit find file image series images artists directory artists permission explicitly contact artist info email unomaha contact artist give contact information permitted work courteous artist send free copy compensation files naming images names files format means filename characters initials artist digit code series images series number leonardo devinci mechanical drawing ldmek ldmek ldmech keeping names characters assures filename remain intact systems creating image files creating image files include picture people reference case contact include title address information people hmm guidelines added needed input expected disclaimer otis project connection church otis sumerian deity followers pope priest ezine administrator sacrifices donations disclaimer otis project distribution original image files files public large form mass media unscrupulously images financial gain permission illegal otis takes responsibility simple terms rights revert author artist leave image otis give permission viewed copied distributed electronically images distributed upload leave image otis giving permission publication broadcast incurs profit includes limited magazines newsletters clip software screen printed clothing give specific permission sort usage remember operative term stimulate people interested sort thing involved kick booty offer free food unomaha stastny otis project process sound news arts sunsite multimedia pictures otis omaha projects otis email unomaha 
cards organization university florida nerdc lines nntp posting host nervm nerdc newsreader video card based card cost windows performance 
newsgroup split newsreader version organization wilfrid laurier university lines chris herringshaw tdawson umich wrote proposed newsgroup split personally favor learn awful aspects graphics reading group code hardware algorithms making groups wate result posts week group kind convenience forum discussing aspects graphics feel curious daemon knowing question hell putting wrong newsgroup phil martin 
sources shading wanted organization university karlsruhe lines distribution world nntp posting host irav news reader news shading methods algorithms source codes thomas thomas braun universitaet karlsruhe mail braun thomas braun university karlsruhe germany email braun ukay bitnet 
fast polygon routine needed keywords polygon needed organization department psychology university toronto lines surv utas stephen quan writes fast polygon routine game fast polygon routine draw polygons mode game fast triangle fill draw routine mode calling routine times fast polygon drawing routine wuarchive wustl msdos uploads programming copy reupload triangle file inline assembly source mode triangle drawer source poly blitter mode mode sunee uwaterloo rend faster renderer extensions life hardware dave stampe destiny software dstampe toronto wetware dstampe uwaterloo techno psychologist psycho engineer 
graphics composites seminar organization nasa lewis research center cleveland lines distribution world reply chris lerc nasa chris johnston nntp posting host looney lerc nasa sampe ncga university akron nasa lewis research center sponsoring computers composites seminar devoted practical applications computer workstations efficient processing design manufacture composites university akron akron ohio speakers advancement graphics visualization horowitz nasa integrated product development michael cowen network workstations sikorski aircraft structural analysis brian fite nasa stereolithography jason williams penn state erie molecular physical modeling vassilios galiatsato polymer curing university akron process modeling polymer matrix composites upadhyay corporate registration fees advance site includes lunch contact gary roberts nasa lewis research center write sampe regional seminar gary roberts nasa lewis research center brookpark cleveland ohio email gary chris johnston materials engineer nasa lewis research center internet chris lerc nasa brookpark cleveland resistance futile 
tracing spline surfaces keywords tracing splines originator haberj mathematik muenchen organization technische universitaet muenchen germany lines investigation study article peterson tracing general splines proc mountain regional conference april find library register access paper knowing library proceedings preferrably germany appreciated joerg haber joerg haber haberj muenchen mathematisches institut muenchen 
hitatchi raster format organization usgs center spatial analysis technologies lines nntp posting host gatech keywords shop package called cadcore good scan subsequently vectorize original maps digital maps problem raster file loaded cadcore package header added file makes unreadable supplied converter able ship altered raster images workstations questions hitachi format format recognize precisely strip strongly suspect compressed format strip offending header unix packages read recognize nice find sort hrftopbm converter searched sites graphics formats documentation luck knwo email 
windows raster article shelley iainnc distribution world organization university washington lines nntp posting host burn washington converter format xview handle converter unix looked downloaded packages luck advance echen washington 
cview answers disclaimer public access unix system university denver denver community university control responsibility opinions users organization public access unix denver math dept lines article matthew zenkar writes cyberspace buddha wrote renew stack rene walter writes places temp files places current directory differ point batch file launch cview cview resides invokes time crash cview byte temp file found root drive cview posted cview expert apparently thought knew matthew zenkar talking colorview version writes temp files current directory versions admit assuming expert referenced talking version correct colorview unix discussed mixed confused befuddled genuinely curious uncle fester gigolos giraffes politics thester good laugh 
photoshop windows organization groupe recherche operationnelle telecommunication newsreader version lines comments people heard photoshop windows good compare version bugs heard windows version fine tuning comments greatly appreciated andre boisvert beaver 
graphics libraries keywords graphics libraries organization georgia institute technology lines interested graphics library design team write graphics software unix workstations portable eventually software moved microsoft windows opinion good hooks underneath prove portable experience figaro form hoops ithaca software comments claye hart claye hart georgia institute technology atlanta georgia uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism internet claye hart gatech 
files needed reply organization francisco lines demo disk view made softworks files diskette demo resolution colors spatial resolution problem demo screen black bars horizontally screen bottom screen bars inch wide demo animation part running fine problem find graphics program open display files couple image conversion programs mention files system clone diamond speedstar sony monitor suggestions castro 
question video projector organization computer center taiwan lines setting video computer room teacher share display class people video projector sets large monitor presentations told ways connect video projector composite explain difference costs reply inetnet mail account posting bulletin telnet kermit windows chen 
tiff philosophical significance silly organization university texas austin comp center lines distribution world nntp posting host aliester utexas useragent nuntius binary forget answer question life universe quote douglas adams round question discovered mark cartwright university texas austin computation center graphics facility markc utexas markc utexas markc chpc utexas asel error doubt situation gravity refund 
converter keywords windowsmetafile nntp posting host couloir reply buck ileaf david buchholz organization interleaf lines leads source good windows meta file converter interpreter windows environment sources preferred requirement reply address david buchholz internet buck product manager uucp uunet leafusa buck interleaf voice 
wanted super projector sounds keywords projector nntp posting host lines super projector sounds sale send email brand condition projector price sale kimd sound capability danny kimd 
coreldraw bitmap scodal organization industrial research zealand lines nntp posting host grace aware coreldraw exports scodal version hassles radial fills version revb export scodal bitmap image included drawing export scodal bitmap version ears temporal images make product called filmpak converts autocad plots scodal postscript scodal scodal costs wondering bitmap scodal part cheaper jeff lyall inst lower hutt zealand 
specs info apple quicktime keywords quicktime organization intergraph corp huntsville lines sdsu james murray writes specs verbose interpretation specs quicktime technical articles magazines references books nice specs format usable unix system quicktime stuff apple present format apple released quicktime volume inside macintosh series bookstore reasonable technical stock bill jones billj ingr 
image analysis organization university pretoria lines nntp posting host zeno image analysis software running windows able analyze tiff similar files generate histograms patterns appreciated fourie joubert department biochemistry university pretoria 
sources shading wanted organization institutt informatikk norway lines article braun thomas braun writes shading methods algorithms source codes illumination color computer generated imagery hall source famous illumination models including bouknight phong blinn whitted hall illumination models introduction shading book writing raytracer edited glassner book procedural elements computer graphics rogers good reference source code book check funet site closer carrying graphics related stuff hope torgeir veimo studying university bergen gona wave freak flag high jimi hendrix police 
cview answers organization moscom corp rochester lines newsreader version cyberspace buddha wrote renew stack rene walter writes places temp files places current directory differ point batch file launch cview cview resides invokes time crash cview byte temp file found root drive cview posted cview root directory drive cview trouble reading large files floppy suspect root directory drive image files matthew zenkar 
newsgroup split organization universite montreal lines thread appologies mentioned comp graphics kaveh kardan kardank umontreal 
fast wireframe graphics organization university southern california angeles lines distribution nntp posting host caspian article ykim columbia yong writes working program display wireframe models user able arbitrarily change viewing parameters wireframe objects dynamic attributes move user exploring wireframe world phigs 
detecting double points bezier curves organization adobe systems incorporated mountain view lines article capelli capelli writes ferdinand oeinck writes information detecting calculating double point cusp bezier curve maureen stone tony derose geometric characterization parametric cubic curves july reference found needed original tech report maureen stone tony derose characterizing cubic bezier curves xerox december report obtained free xerox corporation palo alto research center coyote hill road palo alto california paper good tech report interesting details john 
tiff philosophical significance lines purdue allen writes spec quoted posting gripe tiff complicated infinitely easier write read library reading writing tiff files good minutes start martin martin preston preston computer graphics computer graphics unit manchester computing centre university manchester load balls manchester phone 
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view files dane santarosa dane jasper organization santa rosa junior college santa rosa nntp posting host nermal santarosa newsreader version lines edward nobles ednobles oren ortn wrote view files created povray diamond speedstar video board convert jpeg cjpeg view cview displays color darn things real color ultra card found easiest view true color images windows drivers winjpeg photofinish windows solution love hear dane 
graphics wkshop organization university illinois urbana lines graph ultra megs small question graphics workshop windows exit current driver handle colors color mode driver problem error driver correctly states display colors switch question viewers support card windows viewers appreciated 
photoshop windows reply uchicago organization university chicago lines article beaver andre boivert writes comments people heard photoshop windows good compare version bugs heard windows version fine tuning comments greatly appreciated andre boisvert beaver review windows versions week info world week windows version considerably slower comparison photostyler photoshop windows david david farley university chicago library east street uchicago chicago illinois 
targa format text file lines convert targa similar picture list values convert back targa operations ixels codes targa pixel pixel explain data ored targa file stored targas 
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newsgroup split reply tdawson umich message nntp posting host graphics organization courant institute mathematical sciences lines proposed newsgroup split personally favor learn awful aspects graphics reading group code hardware algorithms making groups wate result posts week group kind convenience forum discussing aspects graphics feel curious disagree learn amount reading split groups make things easier omnivorous waste creating news groups shuffling problem posts week group spend time david 
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radon organization state university york buffalo comp lines nntp posting host homam buffalo radon transform send accepted music sounds sdsu file audio library catalog telnet bison acsu buffalo doubt xarchie xgopher xwais 
tracer organization rastek corporation huntsville lines article tdawson engin umich chris herringshaw writes repeat request good free shareware program create traces save mapped files thing advance daemon books published books source code floppies programming dimensions graphics traycing animation christopher watkins larry sharp photorealism tracing christopher watkins stephen mark finlay book great intro tracing animation programs disk compiled ready glanced book appears good hope helps mark larsen markl rastek unit motivator luke star wars 
color pict spinning earth organization university western australia lines nntp posting host mackerel estop appstate writes wrong place post crusing earlier year called color pict spinning earth assuming animation sequence earth rotation revolution mixed time found sysem support color graphics bother pict fairly nice system find pict post mail advance eric estop appstate likewise time hear beem past months patrick year science engineering university western australia phew phew 
cornerstone dualpage driver wanted tkelder tonis kelder nntp posting host kask newsreader version lines lines window driver cornerstone dualpage cornerstone technology video card info kelder estonian biocentre tkelder 
newsgroup split originator jmcocker ncsu reply jmcocker ncsu mitch organization north carolina state university project lines article david writes proposed newsgroup split personally favor learn awful aspects graphics reading group code hardware algorithms making groups wate result posts week group kind convenience forum discussing aspects graphics feel curious disagree learn amount reading split groups make things easier omnivorous waste creating news groups shuffling problem posts week group spend time size newsgroup issue covered comp grahpics animation traffic articles extremely heavy group months recall flood posts split warranted cents mitch jmcocker ncsu doth render knoweth frustration 
files needed organization daimi computer science department aarhus university denmark lines writes problem find graphics program open display files couple image conversion programs mention files files extension file color palette bytes kind header bytes unknown stuff bytes palette info colors picture format dont make viewer description vpic able read files thomas 
conversion format files hpgl files nntp posting host glasnost kuleuven organization dept computerwetenschappen lines conversion format files hpgl files question convert files generated preprocessor format hpgl format suitable sending plotter hardware involved risc running software involved cost problems dani cimad consultants antwerp belgium dani 
hijaak news software vnews keywords hijaak organization university tennessee computing center lines heard impressive things hijakk windows shareware program called graphics workshop kinds things hijaak shareware programs experience hijaak programs email wayne haston haston 
graphics libraries reply gatech message organization news organization lines experience figaro form hoops ithaca software comments couple years comparison products changed phigs implementation figaro fine phigs personally hate phigs find level dislike structure editing find impossible phigs found hoops system full featured easy support rendering methods software hardware support documentation good easily portable systems happy elaborate specific questions lookin bill attmail phone 
canon copier printer postscript questions nntp posting host ncifcrf organization frederick cancer research development center lines printer model specification canon color laser copier unit postscript intelligent processing unit recently purchased expensive nice color copier printer able print iris network copier printer parallel scsi interface configured printer system parallel interface print postscript files printer print files turn converted postscript internal filter canon publication quality printer quality postscript printouts acceptable create postscript files variaty programs showcase tops convert postscript tops option halftone screen density default output acceptable note starting screen image image format translating image postscript suspect scsi interface higher quality pictures purchased software drives printer scsi port knowledge software warranty management spend money assurance product work questions printer scsi parallel port quality printouts create high quality postscript printouts limiting component postscript language postscript interpretor printer question software drive scsi port printer email directly read news regular basis post summary advance mail scott phone title systems manager analyst 
tracing pictures organization utrecht university dept computer science lines interested traced pictures nice binaries pictures misc file called poolball shows pooltable poolballs resolution colours version post picture created enjoy gerco cgschot gerco schot cgschot 
tiff philosophical significance article alice organization bell laboratories murray hill lines ulrich toppoint wrote suggestions forty times 
display software organization nswc lines displaying surfaces xlib package internet able work stand package providing similar functions xprism khoros numerous libraries required able recompile platforms sgis unix appreciated demetrios sapounas nswc dahlgren email nswc navy 
converter keywords windowsmetafile reply sink originator sink uiuc organization university illinois urbana lines buck ileaf david buchholz writes leads source good windows meta file converter interpreter windows environment sources preferred requirement reply address related topic searching success specification enhanced metafile format original format graphics file formats levine info version pointers eric sink spyglass earth humans ability woodfield drive content situations savoy vice versa sink 
tiff philosophical significance silly organization online computer systems newsreader lines mark cartwright markc utexas wrote binary forget answer question life universe quote douglas adams round question discovered discovered sort question times arthur dent objected factually inaccurate effort discover question begun effort longer lifespan universe fact lifespans mark wilson online computer systems email address mark file disclaims signed signature 
wanted matrox driver originator bockamp informatik muenchen organization technische universitaet muenchen germany lines windows driver matrox svga card moment windows runs mode driver card send oemsetup bockamp muenchen florian bockamp bockamp muenchen undocumented feature 
fixed point math library organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution reply jack nasa nntp posting host medusa nasa written library class fixed point math good articles pretty wheels invent moment typing call jack nasa jack morrison propulsion grove pasadena 
needed algorithms object recognition organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet james black nntp posting host hela cwru friend working object recognition references describing algorithms subject areas thresholding edge segmentation marr hildreth sobel operator chain codes thinning skeletonising post algorithm implemented demonstrates topics appreciated post replies mail address requested post summary newsgroup couple weeks advance replies james 
hijaak organization brock university catharines ontario newsreader version lines haston donald wayne haston wrote shareware program called graphics workshop kinds things hijaak shareware programs graphic workshop differences hijaak screen capture capabilities convert couple file formats specifically april issue magazine test twelve selling image capture convert utilities including hijaak brocku 
dobe photo shop type software unix motif platforms summary searching adobe photo shop type software unix motif platforms keywords image enhancement organization lines searching quality image enhancement manipulation package unix motif platforms comparable adobe photo shop able find information products provide interested software runs workstations require special hardware interested solutions wayne wayne michael 
tiff philosophical significance organization purdue university lines article prestonm martin preston writes library reading writing tiff files good minutes start tiff works point philosophicallyothersureevery tiff image means deal images trapped format agrees reasoning 
marching cubs abild distribution world organization keywords cube program nntp posting host bigler quadra lines wondering knew implementation marching cubes algorithm output individual faces application source code modify implement algorithm individual faces advance sincerly tracy tracy abildskov phone address brigham young university department psychology mail abild provo 
epson hpgl plotter pens summary compataible keywords plotter epson organization distribution lines epson plotter forsale emulates option board emulation serial interface hardware handshake pens packs black based packs green blue black pens packs aqueous black packs aqueous blue black pack aqueous multi color pens assorted packaged pens colored plotter tested windows drivers worked fine accepts sized paper figure plotter worth pens worth thing purchase pens packaged pens sealed fresh rest capped function sell pens seperate interested selling laserjet color offer chert chert pellett chert cirr chert lonestar panic nibbling power cord 
tiff philosophical significance silly organization adaptive solutions custom software support newsreader version lines mark wilson mark wrote mark cartwright markc utexas wrote binary forget answer question life universe question discovered discovered sort question times read special prize bottom amaze friends gain respect peers carry long number original question meaning life universe answer generated deep thought largest computer created deep thought realized understand answer question didn able build largest computer named earth figure real question background knowledge bear arthur pulled scrabble tiles spelled times clear monkey question brain lady diner vaporized moments answer hand marvin answer dent brain lets presume correct times forty base chew awhile chris russell custom software networks case tools consulting adaptive solutions sparc iris apollo macintosh internet crussell mail diamond 
sphere points organization physics electronics laboratory lines method based sqyares estimation sphere equation parameters points spherical surface radius center written equation rewritten form approximate left hand part datapoints determine parameters minimise average error numerical recipes found algorithms solve parameters fitting sphere center radius sqrt solve sphere estination problem situations quick rijt rytg 
polygon fill routine needed organization center advanced computer studies lines polygon fill routine fill simple sided polygons routine saving reinventing time advance 
disney animation organization tektronix beaverton lines disney animation software package note followup line colleague 
rumours reply rutgers viamar kmembry organization private system lines read issue wired magazine long article hype noticed article talks designers great show pictures output pictures understand kirk membry industry rutgers viamar kmembry alexander rodchenko 
studio differences previous version organization australasian response centre melbourne newsreader version lines fombaron marc fombaron imag wrote significant differences helping recall differences parameters defaults changed slightly home warrant upgrading douginoz 
cview answers organization moscom corp rochester lines newsreader version knight rknight salestech wrote bryan williams writes majority users readding floppy picture roms cview fast works moron lacked foresight create temp file program path current didrectory flexible create temp files check temp environment variable create files drive directory pointedto variable pretty standard windows applications cview attention temp environment variable matthew zenkar 
tiff philosophical significance organization rockwell international newsreader lines martin preston prestonm wrote purdue allen writes spec quoted posting gripe tiff complicated infinitely easier write read library reading writing tiff files good minutes start martin library tiff copy archie filename 
info mail file format organization tektronix redmond oregon lines file format mail file formats based twist page multi page readable pages disappear format proprietary clues give email faxes secretary order unscrambled filter mail mail nice tonyo 
medical images gopher nntp posting host suncad camosun organization camosun college victoria canada newsreader lines days back posted info gopher site search medical graphics repost mail copy greatly mark mark morley unix manager morley camosun college interurban campus interurban road room tech victoria canada 
morphing reply seth acpub duke seth wandersman lines nntp posting host north acpub duke keywords morphing programs looked program called dmorph archie find found progrmam call morpho grayscale images 
graphics driver standards organization baylor college medicine houston lines nntp posting host keywords graphics standards researcher collecting electical impulses human heart complex analog digital system designed inputting information eisa vectra computer running phar extender purchase high performance video card modeling aware company called matrox concerned married company video routine library hope flexibility choose card manufacturers standard video driver write generic code code easily moved cards computer operating systems future hope information greatly appreciated respond directly internet mail raymaker 
tiff philosophical significance silly organization nasa gsfc greenbelt maryland lines article mark cartwright writes binary forget answer question life universe quote douglas adams round question discovered question revealed base system chuck divine 
animation station article shelley bginnob distribution world organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host stein washington information animation stations market price station type workstation doesnt matter bought looked suggest dream machine mail configurations type station expandibilty machine software controller deck model vendors names numbers advance eyler eylerken washington evergreen state college 
xlib displays info needed enet thakkar rahul chandrakant reply enet thakkar rahul chandrakant distribution world organization digital equipment corporation keywords xlib nntp posting host riverdale declab lines rahul logan query workstation series running true color color monitor connected machine capability display colors million monitor true color million time facility function call enable combination screen xstorecolor pallette colors display true color image true color monitor xlib function calls generating traced images colors painful limit facility display true color images generating true color system color quantification obliged rahul 
tiff organization earlham college richmond indiana lines tiff programs scanner works tiff view cshow programs read errors basic tiff jpeg time email post acceptable joshuaf geiger scan dookie tiff 
imagine organization netcom online communication services guest lines impulse shipping imagine close amiga imagine terms features roland chia cooled email kruzifix free falling voice carbon unit 
screen capture cymk converter nntp posting host mapsut einstein organization shmuel einstein associates lines small program extract image color screen store image tiff file insert image sales brochure printed color photoshop separate image files pull quark express printed film lintronix service bureau windows type operation windows environment separation programs good page layout program advance shmuel einstein shmuel shmuel einstein associates wilshire blvd suite beverly hills 
organization sandia national laboratories lines precompiled version prefereably 
virtual reality cheap organization force phillips lines distribution world nntp posting host bink article steve sherwood writes multiverse work built mips sparcstation bugs dogfight dactyl simply fixing variable defined modules needed setting static client core dumped steve extn uunet mfocus micro focus pariah west street living blaze obscurity ruff splat newbury courage survive berkshire england bort etry nfluence large hammer built motif machine works fine added objects dogfight flying easy cool brian 
animation studio file format organization univ florida dept lines distribution world nntp posting host beach file format autodesk animation studio gary respond email hell time keeping news 
tracer organization university tasmania lines article tdawson engin umich chris herringshaw wrote repeat request good free shareware program create traces save mapped files thing advance daemon pp oo persistance vision raytracer pp oo archie wuarchive graphics type directories freeware howells utas mortimer town australia 
sigkids research showcase call organization institute learning sciences lines distribution world nntp posting host schwartz sigkids call participation sigkids research showcase learning pushing edge education computer graphics technologies sigkids research showcase provide siggraph attendees latest applying computer technology form state educational experiences submit works converge disciplines education computer technology categories domains include limited interactive stand applications demonstrations tutorials museum installations groupware collaborative systems hypermedia virtual reality scientific visualization interactive microworlds deadlines submissions submit diane schwartz siggraph sigkids committee institute learning sciences maple avenue suite evanston illinois schwartz electronic submission form schwartz submit fill permission form page siggraph call participation send email schwartz faxed fill sigkids research showcase submission form send abstract description submission approximately words ways send hard copies diane schwartz surface mail address copy diane schwartz email copy diane schwartz schwartz explain project additional support material videotapes slides assist selection committee reaching decision highly reccommended email submissions acceptable send submission material form surface mail email exception additional support material surface mail note limited budget submitter chooses dedicated machine work rental fees hardware personally note contributors united states aware customs carrier delays send submissions early siggraph sigkids research showcase entry form copy form accompany proposal submit send sigkids research showcase entries diane schwartz siggraph sigkids committee institute learning sciences maple avenue suite evanston illinois schwartz print legibly contact information company address city state postal code country daytime phone evening phone email additional information title theme piece participant collaborator hardware platform periferals needed supplied participant dedicated machine note limited budget participant rental fees dedicated hardware assistance software statement significance work words medium describe virtual reality virtual sculpture interactive multimedia installation special requirements physical description power dimensions authorization permission visual audio event materials siggraph sigkids research showcase entry work individuals organizations including copyrighted musical compositions excerpts thereof understand responsibility secure permissions liscenses piece images audio video components rights permissions images audio video components piece conference presentation release signing form grant siggraph permission piece sigkids research showcase maintain copyright work receive full credit work conference promotional material grant siggraph slides conference organization publicity future includes usage posters brochures catalogs promotional items media broadcast exchange siggraph full author artist credit information promotional material grant siggraph permission slides work conference organization publicity signature date siggraph makes attempt respect protect intellectual property rights people organizations preparing material siggraph conferences entry form explains siggraph make material requires acknowledge permission material involve seeking clearance employer loaned material videotapes slides form helps prevent situations siggraph presentations include material permission lead complaints legal action form asks grant siggraph distribute work maintain copyright slide sets catalogs publications grant siggraph nonexclusive worldwide distribution rights siggraph marks item publications proper copyright notice informs viewers items copied reproduced broadcast commercial purposes explicit permission indivicual copyright owners addition form asks siggraph materials conference organizational promotional material exchange full author artist credit information 
wanted playmation info organization open software foundation lines folks copy playmation sell love retail moved bigger imagine love table scraps selling recommend place playmation mail order cheap advance mark mark marino omar uunet omar open software foundation cambridge center cambridge 
marching cubs organization nasa lewis research center cleveland ohio lines distribution world nntp posting host tristero lerc nasa keywords cube program subject parade wrigley field chicago marc cooper graphics programmer sverdrup tech child fsmarc nasa imaginary playmate nasa lewis research center brookpark robbins cleveland cowgirls blues disclaimer mine mine duck 
file constructor unix craig humphrey chumphre reply chumphre distribution world organization victoria university wellington zealand nntp posting host regent comp lines povray wondering graphic package outputs files appreciated craig prove chumphre 
radiosity organization national technical university athens lines amann unibe stephan amann writes article acns colostate lance colostate zhao writes article write working radiosity package written make public domain announce minute finished good news news months finish note radiosity packages resource listing subject list nick nick nikolaos fotis national technical univ athens greece home esperidon internet nfotis ntua halandri uucp mcsun ariadne theseas nfotis athens greece usenet editor comp graphics resource listing culture greece ntua student chapter chair organizing small conference comp graphics call interested participate nick nikolaos fotis national technical univ athens greece home esperidon internet nfotis ntua halandri uucp mcsun ariadne theseas nfotis athens greece 
finding equally spaced points sphere article organization rensselaer polytechnic institute troy lines nntp posting host ptolemy rdrc discussed time teselate sphere kind soul code finally decided recall nice iterative subdivision meathod appreciative thomas deweese deweeset 
grayscale printer organization dsto lines distribution nntp posting host iapmac dsto considered apple laserwriter image printing 
advice video system keywords video organization cornell university lines question covered apologize information fast department large money install video system network workstations area expertise offer advice system based video write video frame frame tape play back real time visualization physics problems hardware work system support software needed sophisticated software visualization written email replies read group newman department physics cornell university newmme cornell 
tiff organization brock university catharines ontario newsreader version lines program called graphic workshop wuarchive file msdos graphics directory called grfwk program everthing brocku 
root window display background picture keywords background picture article reply weilej organization rensselaer polytechnic institute troy lines nntp posting host cary article scott scott fleming writes netters fairly weak question netland looked comp graphics find answer post short question display raster files files tiff images root window background openwindows helps compiled display work background tile information provide good scott fleming kudo people provided great scott helpful ipcs ipxs works fine display good number ways root background automatically login hope helps jason weiler anonymous archie 
detecting double points bezier curves organization node groningen lines renner john renner writes article capelli ferdinand oeinck writes information detecting calculating double point cusp bezier curve maureen stone tony derose geometric characterization parametric cubic curves july reference found needed original tech report maureen stone tony derose characterizing cubic bezier curves xerox december replied original question implemented ideas article satisfied results needed bezier curve approximation routine cases generating offset curves loops occur fast method detecting generation curve loop follow article strictly check fourth control point lies loop area bounded parabolas ellips complicated enlarged loop area surrounded straight lines check simple fast approximation routine outputs intersecting bezier curves ferdinand 
dregistere organization defence science technology organisation lines nntp posting host dsto pascal perret article wrote site omnigate clarkson aliases grape clarkson number msdos djgpp read answer kevin martin write answer funny thing internet idea windows good email ryanph dsto common abbreviation quarterdeck corporation desqview software reading blurbs quarterdeck sounds pretty great multiple machines requiring emptive multi tasking network computing proper windows client server application means program windows computers network windows programs computer version unix effectively unix features able compile unix type programs djgpp compilers advertise regularly major computing programming magazines internet support online support pascal perret perret etna hope helps wanting phil ryan melbourne australia 
tseng vesa drivers organization local organization nntp posting host patan lines copy vpic updated vesa drivers card vesa level tseng nice affair driver hope 
make shades nntp posting host orion lines routine color attributes adapter work mode specifically obscure mode change zillions colors shade greyscale correct memory address pointer starting address find john kondis eapu 
photoshop windows organization university california berkeley lines distribution world nntp posting host tikal berkeley article uchicago david farley writes article beaver andre boivert writes comments people heard photoshop windows good compare version bugs heard windows version fine tuning comments greatly appreciated andre boisvert beaver review windows versions week info world week windows version considerably slower comparison photostyler photoshop windows david photoshop quadra roughly equal faster systems running color amount megs quadra photoshop accelerators 
studio differences previous version organization university california berkeley lines distribution world nntp posting host tikal berkeley article doug doug parsons writes fombaron marc fombaron imag wrote significant differences helping recall differences parameters defaults changed slightly home warrant upgrading douginoz wrong major improvements ipas routines studio increased speed depending yost group ipas routines separate studio package require slow 
true color display keywords raytracing nntp posting host fossi weimar organization hochschule fuer architektur bauwesen weimar germany lines hallo renderers bocax card displaying true colors rendering options univesa driver correct 
fractal compression summary good reference keywords fractal organization monash university melb australia lines give book reference title give start fractal image compression technique helps appreciated monash monash 
developable surface nntp posting host hkuxa organization university hong kong newsreader version lines netters investigations developable surface familiar topic give information sources find infomation developable surface abel 
virtual reality cheap reply organization micro focus newbury england lines article ridout brian ridout writes article steve sherwood writes multiverse work built mips sparcstation bugs dogfight dactyl simply fixing variable defined modules needed setting static client core dumped steve extn uunet mfocus micro focus pariah west street living blaze obscurity ruff splat newbury courage survive berkshire england bort etry nfluence large hammer built motif machine works fine added objects dogfight flying easy cool brian compiler forgiving mixed cobol pascal compiler complain steve extn uunet mfocus micro focus pariah west street living blaze obscurity ruff splat newbury courage survive berkshire england bort etry nfluence large hammer 
lias phone number wanted organization diablo creative reply diablo uucp cboesel charles boesel mailer uaccess lite macintosh release lines phone number alias toll free number preferred charles boesel diablo creative cboesel holonet opposite progress pager congress 
postscript drawing prog organization diablo creative reply diablo uucp cboesel charles boesel mailer uaccess lite macintosh release lines article comp graphics gnuplot comp graphics garching reinhard drube writes article nish chem purdue nishantha writes drawing utility manipulate postscript files specifically interested drawing lines boxes sort postscript contour plots xfig impressed features postscript files input programme utility converts postscript xfig format greatly appreciated nishantha checked adobe illustrator unix versions depending platform unix versions mach irix sparcstation ttyl charles boesel diablo creative cboesel holonet opposite progress pager congress 
illustrator autotrace poorly organization diablo creative reply diablo uucp cboesel charles boesel mailer uaccess lite macintosh release lines figure adobe illustrator auto trace screen misses edges templates pixels resulting images useless exact tracing approximate adjusting freehand tolerances autotrace tolerances suggestions charles boesel diablo creative cboesel holonet opposite progress pager congress 
marchin cubes organization regional computing center university cologne lines distribution world nntp posting host koeln keywords polygon reduction polygon reduction algorithm marching cube surfaces algirithm schroeder siggraph hints hugs kisses erwin erwin keeve adress peter welter platz cologne germany dept computergraphics phone computeranimation academy media arts cologne email keeve koeln 
disp organization national chiao tung university newsreader version lines posted disp binaries pictures utilities distribute program freely commercial gained warranty author responsible damage caused program important version bugs file management system file displaying improve file management system user friendly version reading bugs targa reading writng reading support writing auto skip macbinary header introduction program read write display images formats special effects rotation dithering image main purpose convert image formts include simple file management system support slide show limit image size program supports bits display hicolor truecolor vesa driver modify video driver read section hardware requirement msdos higher amount bytes memory work recommend bytes performance hard disk swapping virtual memory description borrowed djgpp supported wares extended memory expanded vcpi disk space swapping supervga color mode vdisk memory allocation strategies vcpi programs qemm desqview unsupported dpmi microsoft windows features emulator unix environment flat memory model svga graphics installation video drivers borrowed djgpp western digital chips read readme modified version vesa completely compatible original version people report compatible djgpp programs system encounter problem search path read runme program choose xx video driver environment driver xx xx xx environment driver xx xx xx notes test vesa drivers tested modified support bits display vesa driver work vesa hicolor truecolor display vesa users find vesa bios driver wuarchive wustl mirrors msdos graphics godzilla rmit command line switch usage display display initial display type sort sort method display type svga default hicolor truecolor sort method function change disk drive ctrl ctrl change disk drive change filename mask match change parameters effects picture flip rotate make directory file group files match files untag file untag group files match untag files change display type read screen menu move file delete file rename file copy file display bytes ascii modes display disk free space page move page change processing target arrow keys home page page scroll image home left page page bottom screen effect menu left arrow change display type bits slide show escape terminate quit program prompting reread directory escape abort function return support format read japan japan raster jpeg utah japan tiff targa paint ilbm window tracing pict viking vicar fits usenix face extensions standard extensions write raster jpeg tiff targa paint ascii laser ilbm window pict fits face read write support full color bits grey scale dither bits image allowed format detail initialization default display type highest display type find allowable screen resolution video driver program enter read menu whthin menu press function move copy files enter write menu write menu read menu change directory header line read menu includes display type number files number tagged files pressing space read menu select format reading current file pressing return read menu reading current file program automatically determine format file procedure check magic number fail check standard extension fail report error pressing read menu slide show delay time program wait escape error occurs program make beep escape terminate pressing read menu change display type pressing read menu quit program prompting image file successfully read enter screen menu menu turn special effect image pressing return show image graphic mode press return space escape return text mode pressing change processing target program special effects image pressing left arrow change display type bits pressing space save current image file dither save black white image grey scale save grey image bits full color save color image bits true color save image program questions write image file questions format dependent finally program prompt filename save file directory current directory press space pressing space enter write menu change directory pressing space program prompt original filename pressing return program prompt selected filename filename program supports bits display program memory greedy memory performance poor save bits image tiff targa raster save bits image lossless tiff targa ilbm raster true bits image recommend jpeg storing bits images bits images subroutines fully tested document written problem suggestion comment program send nctu suggestion improve program anonymous site tech information program user interface subroutines written shin subroutines borrowed pbmplus tiff jpeg reading writing public domain libraries compiled djgpp djgpp package simtel mirror sites wuarchive wustl mirrors msdos djgpp thoese modify video driver source code simtel mirror sites hicolor truecolor bits colors bits colors bits colors acknowledgment authors pbmplus permission subroutines authors write tiff jpeg libraries djgpp thing shin nctu 
file constructor unix nntp posting host merkur prakinf ilmenau reply schmidt ilmenau schmidt organization technische hochschule ilmenau lines article craig humphrey chumphre writes povray wondering graphic package outputs files appreciated good modeling package found irit irit converter format format postet request converter group response write program sebastian schmidt ilmenau institut praktische informatik 
video card organization info university canberra australia lines computer warranty trident video card starting play surprise surprise exchange card question video card high quality acceptable price student budget advance 
fast polygon routine needed organization basser department computer science keywords polygon needed lines reason original post thread fast polygon routines past mode stuff dobbs code domain original articles routines presented dumb routines optimised modex interesting discussion interested find details issues question home bernard 
postscript drawing prog nntp posting host triton organization university utrecht computer vision research group lines diablo uucp cboesel charles boesel writes article comp graphics gnuplot comp graphics garching reinhard drube writes article nish chem purdue nishantha writes drawing utility manipulate postscript files specifically interested drawing lines boxes sort postscript contour plots xfig impressed features postscript files input programme utility converts postscript xfig format greatly appreciated nishantha checked adobe illustrator unix versions depending platform unix versions mach irix sparcstation include postscript epsi files xfig encapsulated postscript info files edit postscript file able draw postscript file epsi converter epsi perl program succes timmens research group utrecht netherlands room unquestionably progress average american pays taxes wages mencken 
good morphing anims organization university birmingham united kingdom lines nntp posting host bham created interesting animations dmorph unable create remotely realistic crappy captain kirk spock trekker type pictures situnayake 
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diamond stelth good organization idaho state university pocatello lines nntp posting host cwis bought diamond stealth months great card multimedia presentations runs graphics animation full motion video thing lacks speed colors qualit million collors unreal definitly compromise speed great card graphics great software excelerator part paridise doesnt faster thing loads vesa driver startup load links programs require special vesa drivers startup gromi hintmatt 
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sphinx satellite image processing organization universite sciences technologie lille france lines nntp posting host loasil citilille newsreader version sphinx sphinx user friendly state image processing analysis package runs spectrum high performance computer platforms operating unix window system created meet daily research scientists conducting climate investigations satellite data remote sensing techniques intuitive graphic interface sphinx features interactive interface menus point click dialog boxes makes image processing analysis simple fast accessible menuing enables build attractive image layouts quickly providing flexibility returning main menu conduct image analysis processing operations image format compatibility smart read write functions sphinx easily open save image files variety formats integer real data values sphinx reads writes common tiff formats compresses decompresses image formats save disk space image analysis processing image pixel analysis sphinx package includes assortment processing tools perform statistical mathematical filtering operations fourier transforms convolution product principal component analyses interactive interpreter algebraic equations images user manipulate combine individual data channels interactively standard fortran notation formula entry trig onometric transcendental functions satellite spectra orbit analysis sphinx possesses functions simulate satellite signal sensitivity meteorological satellites meteosat noaa spot simulations conducted selection standard atmospheric surface conditions instrument spectral bands geometry model computes solar zenith angles warping orbit simulation image projection easy external program interfacing sphinx users flexibility integrate externally developed software algorithms processing converting satellite observations sphinx exports imports image files image parameters external programs special interface functions quick quality presentation sphinx rapidly displays manipulates enhances high resolution multispectral images color tables image planes graphics plane package conveniently combines color images graphics text generate sharp digital images articles reports sphinx graphics editor complete flexibility modifying integrating vector graphics analysis plots images histograms radial graphs package supplies color gray scale output standard inkjet laser printers capabilities sphinx performs image animation external graphics importing mosaic fitting software support development sphinx developed laboratoire optique atmospherique universite lille france package received critical feedback support scientists french national laboratory centre national recherche scientifique cnrs french space agency centre national etudes spatiales cnes sphinx undergoes continued refinement development meet changing research advances computer technology package features line supported internet address sphinx citilille questions answered version updates provided delay performance tested cnes selected sphinx analyze process satellite data collected upcoming adeos polder satellite mission today sphinx package nasa goddard space flight center widely french laboratories including centre recherche physique environnement ecole normale superieure laboratoire etudes recherches teledetection spatiale laboratoire meteorologie dynamique test version sphinx loasil citilille anonymous sphinx sphinx test version output files disable visualisation graphic functions sufficient work interested keeping sphinx send email receive news package evolution software changing user suggestions comments 
diamond stelth good reply hintmatt message nntp posting host andy msstate organization merlin home patrick organization lines real problem stealth heard diamond program proprietary clock stuff linux patrick bridges patrick msstate 
photoshop windows reply uchicago organization university chicago lines article aron berkeley aron bonar writes article uchicago david farley writes article beaver andre boivert writes comments people heard photoshop windows good compare version bugs heard windows version fine tuning comments greatly appreciated andre boisvert beaver review windows versions week info world week windows version considerably slower comparison photostyler photoshop windows david photoshop quadra roughly equal faster systems running color amount megs quadra photoshop accelerators back looked review claim significant differences manipulating test file smaller files platforms david david farley university chicago library east street uchicago chicago illinois 
illustrator autotrace poorly reply uchicago organization university chicago lines article diablo uucp cboesel charles boesel writes figure adobe illustrator auto trace exactlythe edges templates pixels resulting images useless exact tracing approximate adjusting freehand tolerances autotrace tolerances suggestions charles boesel diablo creative cboesel holonet opposite progress pager congress problems aldus freehand autotracing features barely works feels compelled throw david farley university chicago library east street uchicago chicago illinois 
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gaskins pexlib phigs programming manuals reilly organization consortium laboratory computer science lines merlin merlin writes explain difference gaskins books pexlib programming manual phigs programming manual book book running unix desktop access variety systems alliant cray network modeling visualization rabbit monkey human brain structure decide book decide programming interface book wrote article resource discusses differences phigs pexlib issue pretty summary phigs graphics designed portable devices implementations support window system advantage extension called pexlib slightly lower level designed efficiently support extension advantages pexlib integrates xlib motif phigs mode capabilities free policy supports phigs extended support features found phigs texture mapping anti aliasing pexlib give access features advantages phigs support multiple devices based support archiving metafiles hardcopy output phigs predefined input devices make input easier phigs handle exposure events resizing phigs colormap selection creation working strictly care things archiving pexlib find common ralph consortium 
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winbench article rinng distribution world organization colorado springs division lines nntp posting host reptile jorge east jorge lach hardware writes site carries winbench results graphics cards excel format latest version winbench differ source port window make comparisons cica indiana misc winadv writeup steve gibson infoworld winbench number benchmark results video cards current upload card giving consideration format latest version winbench maintain rating scale versions versions released defeat lastest coding tricks driver programmers beat benchmarks devilbiss 
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defragment article organization brown university center fluid mechanics lines article uiuc richard writes geoffrey elbo writes fastest defrag watched hard disk minutes found defrag norton speedisk strip version norton speedisk backup wondering install backup richard defragger norton norton utility bother 
geos windows unix organization netcom line communication services guest lines sehari babak sehari writes limited knowladge geos comparison geos windows unix programs novell demoing windows apps running unixware unix heard note toolkit windows good suite standard unix utilities similar systems vendors system standard unix system calls recompiling unix programs thing running unix programs directly case makes compatible unix systems unix systems free similar system work windows price free good costs avaliable card cost geos windows standalone point unix requires unices unixware personal edition linux free agree good costs check options desqview desqview cheers chris waters insane judy bedroom xtifr disclaimers inventing situations byrne 
comments xtree windows organization math stats dalhousie university halifax canada lines nntp posting host comments xtree windows thinking buying product shane holland holland holland maurack 
microsoft windows article agate organization university california berkeley lines nntp posting host garnet berkeley icons program manager aliases explicit apparently people complain confusion results filemanager progman split basic flaw control panel icons files 
microsoft windows operating system article agate organization university california berkeley lines nntp posting host garnet berkeley wrong joys networking hope forgot file manager modular nature windoze things modular love system adding line autoexec drop icon extensions folder ignorance sold evil fruit empire forbidden learn file system level working 
sound blaster windows newsreader version organization wilfrid laurier university lines article crossposted comp speech comp soundcard comp linux author mario lauretti posted sound blaster install driver driver window upgrade card found drivers creative labs problems installing removing vsbd version windows installing creative sound blaster midi synthesizer install creative sound blaster wave menu unlisted updated driver double click driver error driver error load creative sound blaster wave midi driver driver file missing installing driver contact system administrator read readme thing mario laureti internet laurm usherb 
windows gripe organization tsoft public access unix lines article bigal nathan charles crowell writes thing windows frosts installed system windows disk cache permanent swap file fill memory problems resources windows manage resources input conserve resources avoid problem nate nathan crowell dept mechanical engineering acrl worcester polytechnic institute mail bigal costing hundreds thousands dollars nathan fixed limit memory physical installed robust developers power users amish launch shell reduce memory usage progman dashboard graphical type icon based shells nesting full global support offered shells time matsumura president amish software 
truetype choose article microsof distribution organization microsoft corp lines article wrote yearsley writes bought bundle lotus stuff including adobe type manager version newcomer windows confused truetype stay upgrade replaces fast disable small screen fonts screen rendering smaller point sizes true type fonts excellent quality poor quality size depends font maker complexity glyphs related size resolution viewed reason opinion experience inferior fonts market today converted type outlines font vendor users fontographer fontmonger fonts hand hinted advantage hinting language converted fonts type font orgin truetype richer robust hinting language type hinting diagonals instance type check windows core fonts times arial courier symbol wingdings fonts hand hinted converted microsoft font pack fonts hinted fonts time type fonts tend higher quality complete terms foreign characters true characters type font depend maker converts type font characters font orgin flexibility area thousands glyphs font file windows unicode char characters platform running font instance fontpack fonts windows char metrics fonts font brought user access full char east harmony road niland suite internet fort collins compuserve hope clears confusion feel free contact info dave glenn program manager microsoft font stuff davidgl compuserve 
defragment article ardie organization department plant pathology lines article nosubdomain nodomain kiseok writes nosubdomain nodomain kiseok subject defragment date article uiuc richard writes geoffrey elbo writes fastest defrag watched hard disk minutes found defrag norton speedisk strip version norton speedisk backup wondering install backup richard defragger norton norton utility bother bother cpbackup fastback offer options stripped version examples proprietary format save space direct access tape drive defrag doublespace work compressed volume 
geos windows unix reply rcampbel physics organization dept physics memorial university lines article sehari babak sehari writes limited knowladge geos comparison geos windows unix programs needed lines deleted price free good costs avaliable card compiler fortran debuger hard gals list throw tubes highest babak sehari list appears imply windows cost listed compiler fortran expensive drive price applies unix concerned free unix linux fortran xwindows features large number utilities optionally added free unix robust check comp linux throw tubes break list roderick campbell department physics memorial university newfoundland john canada internet rcampbel physics 
windows ramdrive organization encore computer corporation nntp posting host sysgem encore lines langleyrh sfasu writes stuff bandwidth sake sigh memory ramdrive windows waste memory windows access upto memory work driveletters paths stored inside group files sudden things drive drive wanted copy application ramdrive setup work previously stated hurt things whats ramdrive personally ramdrive great deal success speed windows things noted work graphics accellerator card processor emulator helps disk cache smartdrive lightning windows norton cache give major headaches purpose original poster serve avoid significant amount disk access windows startup wearing damn drive estimate reading programs data performance drive sounds scattered drive drive regularily compressed takes fuss trouble optimize startup process people wanting find solution 
geos windows unix organization kernel hackers lines nntp posting host eden berkeley reply rcampbel physics message article rcampbel physics roderick campbell writes free unix linux fortran xwindows features large number utilities optionally added free unix robust check comp linux dunno linux forget networking tested fast incredibly stable filesystem list folk comp chris moderator comp announce anti politician evangelist chris demetriou berkeley depth search find things broken adam glass 
nntp posting host gorgon yale organization yale university haven connecticut lines article raymaker mark raymaker aware existing netx software windowsnt attachment netware future release respond internet mail raymaker beta version service cica indiana called nwnt index ascii file lists programs directory beta disable netbeui primary extra bind wait release adriene 
windows prob reply carleton david clarke organization national capital freenet lines experienced problems windows hanging installation narrowed problem remove disable windows active noems windows hangs auto system hangs bootup dave david clarke deep carleton david clarke clarkec 
windows shareware monthly information article tamsun rinnfpd organization texas university college station lines nntp posting host tamuts tamu windows shareware monthly line forum information newest windows shareware freeware software compilation submissions shareware freeware authors single windows system file types software submitted entry utilities applications games programming tools benefits windows shareware freeware authors allowing publicize software releases inform users updated versions increase installed base users searching specific windows software benefit complete list software fingertips complete feature lists current prices relevant information windows software authors submit entries windows shareware monthly manner compose short summary function software include special features unique product programs genre include specific details current release version software registration costs disk space required special requirements sound card vbrun author contacted text highly compressible summary long short good guideline single screenful point text resolution order forms addendum included desired submissions whould plain text ascii format formatting submitted simply paste text files authoring system require special formatting conventions boldface text italics larger font size text file results windows notepad create file include windows format bitmap screen shots display workings special features program special cases rendering applications require color bitmaps submit files observe limit color format maximum compatiblity software create file stefan olson writer assistant windows save bitmaps windows paintbrush wingif include color program icon file programs convert format windows paintbrush embedded summary text double check spelling errors formatting corrections compress file program icon additional bmps single file pkzip version submit entry uuencoding zipfile mailing tamu submitting internet compuserve submitting america online send message indicating submission append file mail diegoaa required version released complete procedures send submissions address comments suggestions criticisms tamu entries received deadline included subsequent edition editor held responsible errors reserve make entries limited shareware freeware software special area devoted commercially windows software commercial software authors follow steps exception limitations size file bmps large required large practical transmission phone lines charge publishing shareware freeware commercial product entries advertisements computer hardware software bulletin boards submitted procedures apply exception size limitations charge advertising space advertisements submitted month included subsequent submissions included size constraints persons devote time author columns programing section visual basic section windows specific opinion advice columns envisioned work voluntary basis author monthly column topics send mail tamu diegoaa america online edition distributed america online compuserve internet deadline submissions april edition filename subsequent monthly release continuing series naming convention edition released month deadline submission days release 
truetype choose organization artificial intelligence lines distribution nntp posting host kauai reply davidgl message article davidgl david glenn writes true characters type font depend maker converts type font characters font orgin flexibility area thousands glyphs font file windows unicode char characters platform running font type truetype fonts lots characters cases plain text fonts reencoded windows ansi windows standard roman encoding difference fonts thousands glyphs liabiliaty great thing reason font characters large access paying heavy price downloading time printer storage moment program partial font downloading instance fontpack fonts windows char metrics fonts font brought user access full char text fonts adobe character superset windows ansi macintosh standard roman enocding question glyphs windows ligatures anfd font painful reencode type font create windows metric file utilities reencode truetype font ligatures windows utilities make circumvent hard wired windows ansi encoding east harmony road niland suite internet fort collins compuserve berthold horn cambridge massachusetts 
terminal software article ponder htanabe organization university north texas lines reply email terminal software windows terminal crossttalk window software window size scrolls window window stty rows scrolls windows setup software window advance 
pkunzip nntp software nntp lines organization loral data systems article kenneth peachnet kenneth palmertree writes site pkunzip archie luck version pkunzip suppose correct promblems pkunzip windows advance cica indiana 
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comp databases access organization uunet communications lines nntp posting host rodan oganization uiowa official creation newsgroup general discussion microsoft access rdms comp databases access moderation unmoderated time moderator assertained future evaluation determine needed purpose access rdbms windows operating system includes wysiwyg design tools easy creation tables reports forms queries database programming language called access basic purpose group provide people access wysiwyg design tools create simple databases people access basic create complex databases rationale eventhough access rdbms popular graphical development enviroment initial price version product means access users novices reason newsgroup needed access users discuss experiences product answer questions napoleon uiowa 
truetype choose true effects windows organization jose state university math dept lines games washington writes article william writes article yearsley writes bought bundle lotus stuff including adobe type manager version newcomer windows confused truetype program called true effects windows define attributes true type fonts fonts give font backgrounds shadows reverse works fonts idea ripped adobe program called typealign years typealign thing adobe type fonts adobe version work adobe type truetype typealign things trueeffects including things apparently type font yeah cool program effects scalable brick background pattern size font point point extensible pattern rorate background pattern make pattern extend character character font entire pattern opposed pattern contiguously couple characters cheap copy version gripes john 
mirosoft office package article news organization northwestern university evanston illinois lines nntp posting host unseen acns charge purchasing computer software small office question microsoft office pack wondering programs packaged office pack winword power point excel ccmail complete latest addition programs hobbled update single programs date excel excel receive disks documentation aware makes office package deal skeptical price office package street sounds great deal office purchasing computer software complete programs makes suspicious advance kirt wilson northwestern university internet kwilson acns bitnet kwilson 
doublespace stacker article doug organization college engineering univ wisconsin madison lines title suggest havne heart doublespace tight stacker disadvantage advantages comments appreciated martin 
amipro deskjet printing problem article distribution organization hewlett packard lines newsreader belmonte tbelmont prime wrote recently print envelopes amipro deskjet printer problem physically load envelope printer user manual select print envelope icon amipro proper options selected printer spits envelope printing return address selected mailing address point printer online light begins flash print manager shows printer busy shut printer cancel printing print manager print manager similar results amipro shows printer busy idea solution problem ignore manual insert evelope keypad move windows driver sends message printer tells load envelope loaded ejected printer load instructions manual dumb apps send load envelople message belmonte taylor vancouver 
winbench graphics comparison franklig arizona gregory franklin organization university arizona tucson lines article grace writes article swyatt udel stephen wyatt writes question winbench labs thing ahead card results windows driver million ahead driver winmarks windows svga driver million winmarks thinking upgrading diamond card read million winmark winbench careful results recall numbers winbench calculated differently figures comparable answer stephen question replacing ahead card diamond yield cost effective dramatic speed increase windows graphics ultra greg franklin franklig arizona 
winbench organization jose state university math dept lines devilbiss writes jorge east jorge lach hardware writes site carries winbench results graphics cards excel format latest version winbench differ source port window make comparisons cica indiana misc winadv writeup steve gibson infoworld winbench number benchmark results video cards current upload card giving consideration format latest version winbench maintain rating scale versions versions released defeat lastest coding tricks driver programmers beat benchmarks winbench test read steve gibson subject infoworld column past couple month short virtually board manufacturer cheats test writing things driver make board faster winbench suite winbench score bearing reality cards stack real world tasks magazine benchmarked accelerators admitted cheated winbench interestingly allowed type cheating behaviour caching bitblt operations matter unreal couple types cheating behaviour cards card eliminated editor choice cheating benchmark devilbiss 
microsoft windows nntp posting host bach udel organization university delaware lines article neff berkeley stephen kearney writes apparently people complain confusion results filemanager progman split basic flaw thing spliting thing program launcher file manager seperate make things easier figure flames personally hate trouble figuring simple things file copy drag icon hate icons place trouble telling push buttons minority swyatt udel disclaimer blame 
winbench nntp posting host bach udel organization university delaware lines cheating tests macro load huge drawing machine real world results tests machine video cards running word excel fast cards swyatt udel disclaimer blame 
mouse windows organization university arizona tucson lines article isbell boeing robert isbell writes jpaparel ulowell joseph paparella writes problem configuring mouse windows support hour lines mouse modem vice versa limitation fact windows mouse accept fact mouse computer mouse ports advice applies greg franklin franklig arizona 
equation mode nntp posting host fido colorado organization university colorado boulder lines nagel colorado kurt nagel writes problem amipro writing equations equation extends past point line thing disappears delete equation cursor equation nuts line counter bottom screen increments repeatedly ctrl unfortunate save document screwed equations document basically trashed able ascii editor deleteing large chunks document experienced lotus patch advance kurt nagel colorado contacted lotus problem today reported previously apparantly problem occurs characters immediately preceding equation frame work equations expected touch margin delete preceding space align frame frame text wrap unforutnately page occured hosed moral story space characters align equation frames hope helps rest contacted problem kurt nagel colorado 
hercules graphite organization software metrics lines hercules graphite adapter good paper steve gibson gave good review infoworld love real world impression speed drivers support replace ultra haapanen tomh software metrics waterloo stick index fingers corners mouth pull corrado makes feel january 
defragment reply mcglob daytonoh brian mcgloin organization daytonoh lines article louray michael panayiotakis writes subject saysit defragmentation dblspaced dblspaced drives defragmented norton speedisk brian mcgloin lift glasses friend mine corp raise hand england stole ireland spent miamisburg outlawed rapparee 
mouse windows organization cloud melbourne australia lines jpaparel ulowell joseph paparella writes problem configuring mouse windows problem mouse usual place simply windows support mice funny part microsoft mouse driver happy mouse sitting windows mouse driver support maxcomport wanted able modem windows talk modem created profiles amstrad amstrad modem maestro maestro talk maestro driver support windows suggestion microsoft setting windows setup work windows worst special version mouse driver looked printer port irqs experimented logitech mouse driver sucess printers attached side note assign higher soundblaster board modem settings irqs soundblaster support finally board supports irqs controller hamish hamish moffatt hamish apana apana australian public cloud access network association melbourne australia mail info titanic software voice information 
version control organization prodigy services lines development product multiple platforms moment working windows department sneaker transport files requires filter strip characters recently concidered version control mediate result programmers spent great deal time merging files week system build streamline process hampered lack software share files platforms understand pvcs longer support product polytron people development multiple platforms assume problem deal solutions advance suggestions posting email email responses post synopsis knowledge charles emmons charles emmons charles uucp opinions prodigy services charles trintex mine white plains voice prodigy kjrd share 
file downloading originator liuxu nntp posting host organization vanderbilt university school engineering nashville distribution lines beginer transfer files system network home connected network comit slow multiple files time impossible give hints infomation advance 
permanaent swap file dbldisk distribution organization georgia institute technology lines comp windows misc write reading book states windows permanaent swap file work correctly compressed drive make things compatable removed permanent swap file starting upgrade dust settled windows temporary swap file windows directory question temporary swap files works compressed drive permanent doesn windows explanation guarantee base permenant swap file read written windows talking directly hard disk controller card controller card protocal western digital windows creates file called spart windows directory points file physical information disk index information file compressed disks logical disks disks characteristics actual physical disk information compressed disks uncompressed decompression program traps disk reads operating system level bios level inbetween program windows direct methods read logical disk permenant swap file reserve area disk windows block space windows theoretically access file disk space doesn checks everytime boot windows temporary swap file normal file accessed windows bios disk compression program loaded file access disk compression bios order access temporary swap file permenent swap files uncompressed part compressed hard disk message selected swap file greater suggested size windows size suggested create swap file friend mine robert called microsoft asked windows checks amount free disk space divides number checks largest contiguous block free disk space windows suggests smaller numbers absolutely circumstances windows swap file larger suggested size call bull true windows report memory takers james post 
winqvt article ohsu organization oregon health sciences university lines nntp posting host qvthost file host file requires names addition address sucb server router carols 
hercules graphite nntp posting host silver indiana organization indiana university lines article tomh haapanen writes hercules graphite adapter good paper steve gibson gave good review infoworld love real world impression speed drivers support world reviewers found herc people hard coded winbench text driver clever case winbench results pretty inflated send mail iskandar taib thing worse peach internet ntaib indiana frog frog peach bitnet ntaib 
winqvt reply spitz muenchen richard spitz organization inst anaesthesiologie muenchen germany distribution lines swartzjh rose hulman jeff swartz writes rosevc rose hulman initiating nameserver query rosevc nameserver query time number local host gateway responding nameserver correct router correct work fine ncsa telnet working definitions qvtnet qvthost incorrect docs running concurrent packet software load pktmux apply qvtnet novell concurrently packet types qvtnet novell able coexist fine pktmux required packages concurrently qvthost file problem hostnames addresses file beginning winqvt file swartzjh test rose hulman hostname domain part router router qvthost release notes addresses work apparently nameserver hostname nameserver address worked fine nameserver relnotes nameservers separated commas work hope helps richard richard spitz internet spitz muenchen gruppe anaesthesie klinikum grosshadern munich germany 
windows general questions nntp posting host silver indiana organization indiana university lines article crgruen sdrc robert gruen writes received amish utilities windows purchased turbo windows amish utilities received disk docs milks dogcow running windows mode driver supplied svga card card boca svga card chip program tells driver driver written windows work fine gain benefits switching newer driver find lots drivers cica indiana drivers video cview turbo give choice turbo turbo drivers turbo drivers fast caused mouse problems machine diamond speedstar card finally turbo drivers wndspeed binar diamond amazing blazingly fast accelerated card month iskandar taib thing worse peach internet ntaib indiana frog frog peach bitnet ntaib 
fall comdex lines info coming fall comdex asked peers info point direction appreciated dave stevens training multimedia services penn state university 
microsoft foundation classes borland organization university denver dept math comp distribution lines info assume work andy jacobs 
word subscript spacing organization wisconsin madison college engineering lines problem subscripts msword problem subscripted characters display print subscripts screen howard howard 
character codes problems reply miket nntp posting host empros organization empros power systems control division siemens lines working project involves text foreign language characters case norwegian manipulating data excell exporting data comma seperated variable files workstation norwegian characters show fine windows funny characters workstation workstation setup national language support problem entering norwegian characters workstation keyboard investigation found character codes windows characters msdos code page msdos codes workstation reply mail office days reading news 
faster drivers nntp posting host harris reply mmccolli harris organization harris corporation government aerospace systems division lines based card computer downloaded driver cica indiana good luck faster driver card mike michael mccollister phone harris corporation email mmccolli harris mailstop palm florida stupid today 
word organization marquette university computer services lines reply dubinski nntp posting host vmsa problems printing spanish characters celtic true type accented characters insert symbol document square character prints dismay thinking worked printed spanish characters built recall option robert dubinski aliases include robb regal marquette university math computer science double major internet address dubinski milwaukee 
documentation microsoft diagnostics article shelley uqinnh distribution organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host stein washington found undocumented feature windows directory microsoft diagnostics specifically interested depth explanation legends memory mapping report chak chakaw washington 
postscript view windows hjstein huji harvey stein distribution world organization home staff hjstein organization nntp posting host sunrise huji reply paladin message lines version ghostscript satisfied versions plain version version windows version harvey stein hjstein huji 
multiple desktops nntp posting host eugene convex organization convex computer corporation richardson disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines article dmcgee soest hawaii mcgee writes free share ware package multiple desktops windows desired desk people personalize choice programs package called workspace cica desktops able exact archive handy wspace finn speak peace ideal deduced fact pauses wars jerry pournelle mercenary 
comp databases access article rodan qkma innmbn organization uiowa lines nntp posting host rodan reguest discussion creation comp databases access discussion period started april april days official creation newsgroup general discussion microsoft access rdms comp databases access moderation unmoderated time moderator assertained future evaluation determine needed purpose access rdbms windows operating system includes wysiwyg design tools easy creation tables reports forms queries database programming language called access basic purpose group provide people access wysiwyg design tools create simple databases people access basic create complex databases rationale eventhough access rdbms popular graphical development enviroment initial price version product means access users novices reason newsgroup needed access users discuss experiences product answer questions napoleon uiowa 
wanted dialog select file apps article acsu organization lines originator reczek acsu buffalo nntp posting host tolstoy acsu buffalo program windows common dialog select file running basically apps files accept file command line parameter easily running windows file prompts additional parameters point type file problems remember file located nice browse directories file manager lazy hate type long pathnames files burried directory levels deep point program handle organized considered anarchy reczek acsu buffalo 
organization computing services division university wisconsin milwaukee lines distribution nntp posting host originator alanchem part question windows real windows past weekend local hacker radio show metioned product microsoft called chicago recall heap alan alan olson swanson environmental mail alanchem alan chem good music check milwaukee bodeans 
copy move files file manager organization distribution lines article virginia scott crittenden writes understanding copy files directory drive file manager mouse hold ctrl dragging file directory window works time file moved copied encountered respond email attempts bounced condition ctrl press mouse button makes difference whatsoever holding ctrl release mouse button force copy operation simple experiment select file begin drag ctrl notice file icon disappears listing window watch icon press release ctrl keeping mouse button pressed addition icon dragging show holding ctrl indicating file copied moved nichols bell laboratories rnichols 
change licensed data windows nntp posting host tinman organization prodigy services company white plains lines installing software dubious simple ways change screen designed embarassment pirates charles charles emmons charles uucp opinions prodigy services charles trintex mine white plains voice prodigy kjrd share 
multiple desktops nntp posting host tinman organization prodigy services company white plains lines article dmcgee soest hawaii mcgee writes free share ware package multiple desktops windows desired desk people personalize choice programs amishware included package advertising couple weeks riduculously good price remember charles emmons charles uucp opinions prodigy services charles trintex mine white plains voice prodigy kjrd share 
change licensed data windows organization marquette university computer services lines reply dubinski nntp posting host vmsd article charles prodigy writes installing software dubious simple ways change screen designed embarassment pirates topic incribed disk encoded editor find write licensed change underneth change pirate promote robert dubinski aliases include robb regal marquette university math computer science double major internet address dubinski milwaukee 
ghostscript fonts keywords ghostscript fonts organization purdue university engineering computer network lines servis purdue brian servis writes downloaded windows ghostscript package gswin load file find font substitutes font called ugly substituting basic fonts helv cour imagine fonts included font library wrong missing ugly fonts clear defined sharpness basically ugly advice realize font files site found cica question fonts compatible gswin email brian servis servis purdue happened actual quotes insurance claims pedestrian idea purdue thinks 
diamond mouse cursor organization national library medicine lines mouse cursor distortion running diamond driver version driver indication menus recently delivered gateway system latest drivers diamond wondered post email lindbergh dabl 
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hercules graphite originator guyd austin organization austin lines article ntaib indiana iskandar taib writes article tomh haapanen writes hercules graphite adapter good paper steve gibson gave good review infoworld love real world impression speed drivers support world reviewers found herc people hard coded people make chip card based hard coded string weeklies looked conclusion chip pretty fast winbench text driver clever case winbench results pretty inflated send mail iskandar taib thing worse peach internet ntaib indiana frog frog peach bitnet ntaib dawson hoskyns group guyd hoskyns guyd austin 
procomm windows problems organization kansas state university lines nntp posting host matt normal procomm buying windows version great reviews computer shopper friend connects mainframe unix machines screen problem keeping modem modem machine trouble keeping pcplus works great windows screw common screwed machine kent 
quattro file format organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply cwru mahesh khot nntp posting host thor cwru write program read files created quattro find information format quattro stores files advance mahesh famous dummies madam tussade museum case cwru 
application frameworks windows organization cimlinc engineering lines investigating purchase object oriented application framework good zapp inmark zinc zinc software views liant blaise considerations windows programming unix world quality intuitivness abstraction class libraries provide important adverse learning internals windows programming programming methodology closely aligned native arbitrary levels abstraction sake changing valuable developing windows system memory management issues issues windows important class library tools booch components rational handle data structures miscellaneous stuff allocators features important toolkit narrowed zapp zinc toolkits received attention media wondering hand experience toolkits zapp zinc couple observations toolkits noteworthy zapp extensive coverage windows functionality includes miscellaneous classes fancy style controls support custom controls windows version essential redirectable graphics display output architecture printing sizer class automatically managing control layout resize newcomer advantage designing system zinc platform independent resource strategy important interface builder tool windows version essential longer mature grew version demo source code availability options lacking support support multimedia type stuff thoughts appreciated brett harper brett harper 
permanaent swap file dbldisk summary pageovercommit factor organization lines article gatech james dean barwick writes permenent swap files uncompressed part compressed hard disk message selected swap file greater suggested size windows size suggested create swap file friend mine robert called microsoft asked windows checks amount free disk space divides number checks largest contiguous block free disk space windows suggests smaller numbers absolutely circumstances windows swap file larger suggested size call bull true windows report memory support droid malfunctioning confused disk space limit virtual address space limit disk concerned limited amount contiguous free space limit message windows amount virtual address space virtual memory manager create function amount free memory windows starts section system parameter pageovercommit multiplier description windows resource entry specifies multiplier determines amount linear address space create system computed rounding amount physical memory nearest multiplying pageovercommit increasing increases amount linear address space causing size data structures increase increases paging activity proportionately slow system default change entry edit system nichols bell laboratories rnichols 
organization clark university lines previous article alanchem alan scott olson wrote part question windows real windows past weekend local hacker radio show metioned product microsoft called chicago recall heap alan windows giant windows operating system unline billy gates assures true multi tasking multithreading meets security specs programs programs multi processor support primarily server program overhead high economical users speaking overhead requires megs iwll running megs heard system files megs recommended drive half distributed chicogo true thrue multitasking multithreading smaller hardware requirements meet security specs client otehr differences main article chicogo week august chicogo development groups micro intense competition relationship arise server etowrk echonology chicogo client machine work partly chicogo small novell netware creates server scorn concept expect windows supposed released year read expect chicogo luck proven wrong rmohns clarku mohns annoy rush limbaugh 
change licensed data windows organization clark university lines relation question changing registered information windows previous article dubinski wrote topic incribed disk encoded editor find write licensed change underneth find editor overwrite mistaken rmohns clarku 
fall comdex nntp posting host jobe organization portal communications company newsreader version lines wrote info coming fall comdex asked peers info point direction appreciated vegas november information contact interface group avenue needham phone number consult directory service massachusetts number willy ville walveranta linda finland oakland faxes automatically recognized email portal 
permanaent swap file dbldisk summary explanation message nntp posting host skyhawk uoknor organization engineering computer network university oklahoma norman lines article gatech james dean barwick writes stuff deleted permenent swap files uncompressed part compressed hard disk message selected swap file greater suggested size windows size suggested create swap file friend mine robert called microsoft asked windows checks amount free disk space divides number checks largest contiguous block free disk space windows suggests smaller numbers absolutely circumstances windows swap file larger suggested size call bull true windows report memory takers james microsoft told wrong windows swap file larger recommended size summer microsoft windows technical workshop distributed information general public aware main book handed section creating larger recommended swapfile quote information create permanent swapfile larger recommended size receive message telling windows larger recommended size error message incorrect larger swapfile times amount machine microsoft information incorrect doofball telling knew suggest opportunity technical workshops incredibly depth material bugs optimization straight offer huge discounts software remember correctly pick word excel presentation program full blown version upgrade educational version pick microsoft office sprang word hope helpful hope workshop save money microsoft reading love products graduate work brent casavant bcasavan uoknor 
ultra drivers news software vnews reply fisk organization university arizona department mosaic group lines article jroberts uiuc robertson writes site latest windows drivers latest driver release found cica indiana directory structure checked nite releases past local card noticed garbage edges window move noticed thomas fisk internet fisk mayo clinic voice street mail stop rochester 
bitmaps summary bitmap size keywords bitmap windows organization prentice centre university queensland lines create bitmap size bitmap creation manual bitmap width height supplied byte string chars bitmap image changed width height string padded byets make size image manual size multiple bytes define bitmap image size chen chen chen centre information technology research university queensland australia chen 
application frameworks windows nntp posting host micro organization university minnesota lines zapp wait version mike maley maley 
speedstar card drivers reply chrisa uucp keywords speedstar drivers video card lines drivers updated directly diamond ship charge 
permanent swap file organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet martin linsenbigler nntp posting host hela cwru previous article mlipsie mike lipsie article pwiseman cliff writes swap file purged time exit windows shut computer exiting windows swap file remains large side running applications time true temporary swap file purged time exit windows permanent file permanent changed adjusting virtual memory suspect original poster tinkering adjusted swap file forgot helped mike lipsie work mlipsie merl mitsubishi electronic research laboratory home mikel uucp setup windows load mode grabbed megs swap file space empty time deleted windows time recently reloaded full windows megs read rule thumb permanent swap file size regular size megs windows perm swap file works fact space megs make swap file bigger change virtual swap file megs artin communication artin university arizona tucson freenet mlinsenb arizona mlinsenb death dead years follow king kings 
procomm windows problems organization california state university chico lines nntp posting host psycho ecst csuchico article kentiler kent iler writes friend connects mainframe unix machines screen problem keeping modem modem machine upgrade faster video card baud modem reasons sought diamond speedstar million winmarks modem speed procomm windows million machine card yield acceptable speed jeff meyers jmeyers csuchico chico nocal grid 
regload keywords regload organization simon fraser university burnaby canada lines perusing windows directory file called regload assume part registration database windows manual resource description files windows directory reference find regedit base peter goudswaard goudswaa preferred pgoudswa pgoudswa goudswaard observation 
page setup notepad reply message organization infrared telescope joint astronomy centre hawaii news reader news lines writes notepad view print read type files find rushing print manager stop printer delete file print queue forgotten reset print margins inches left inches resulting printed text chopped hard returns source file struggled margin problem ages finally hold shareware binary editor beav notepad setup facility force notepad default margins hardwired code search change offending bytes viola hardcode options interested problem rears ugly head printers epson remember aloha 
panasonic driver organization drexel university phila lines print drivers windows panasonic matrix printer 
change licensed data windows lines distribution world nntp posting host keele newsreader version write licensed change underneth change pirate promote computer supplied interesting upper lower case workplace typed cmyearsley keel unversity phone calls supplier computer working face tackling chris 
winqvt reply organization natural environment research council lines similar problem changing netmask tommy 
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driver panasonic organization helsinki university technology lines distribution comp reply kjell ljungqvist nntp posting host sandman printer driver panasonic laser printer order letters numbers important found drivers panasonic printers drivers model included grateful kjell kjell kjell 
nntp posting host gorgon yale organization yale university haven connecticut lines article rmohns clarku previous article alanchem alan scott olson wrote part question windows real windows past weekend local hacker radio show metioned product microsoft called chicago recall heap alan windows giant windows operating system unline billy gates assures true multi tasking multithreading meets security specs programs programs multi processor support primarily server program overhead high economical users runs character based apps posix apps windows apps windows subsystem fact lanman redirectors built support built support netbeui utils ping client applications schedule version msmail storage argument isnt issue speaking overhead requires megs iwll running megs heard system files megs recommended drive half distributed mram disk swapping virtual memory paging file functioned crawled build upgraded machine performance good point installed march build working feature havent fine tuning code chicogo true thrue multitasking multithreading smaller hardware requirements meet security specs client otehr differences main article chicogo week august chicogo development groups micro intense competition relationship arise server etowrk echonology chicogo client machine work partly chicogo small novell netware creates server scorn concept expect windows supposed released year read expect chicogo info chicago make comparison beta tested cares make comparison 
nntp posting host organization office information technology lines info chicago make comparison beta tested cares make comparison chicago read projected higher aimed desktop rumored offer preemptive multitasking multithreading offer multiprocessing reliance rumored integrated file program manager rumored similar chicago step cairo generation rumored object oriented windows fits stepping stone chicago hope helps dave 
organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex rmohns clarku writes chicogo true thrue multitasking multithreading smaller hardware requirements meet security specs client otehr differences main article chicogo week august chicogo development groups micro intense competition relationship arise server etowrk echonology chicogo client machine work partly chicogo small novell netware creates server scorn concept expect windows supposed released year read expect chicogo chicago differ sort announced windows understand inbfoworld accound windows sort lite full fledged operating system lacking server security features make bear true multithreading 
procomm windows problems organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex kentiler kent iler writes normal procomm buying windows version great reviews computer shopper friend connects mainframe unix machines screen problem keeping modem modem machine trouble keeping pcplus works great windows screw common screwed machine kent trouble running procomm windows considerably slower video problem incredibly slow video 
word organization michigan state university lines nntp posting host horus article dubinski printed spanish characters built recall option extended character sequences character accessories group sequence font gregory cook internet gcook department chemistry cookgreg michigan state university cook east lansing bitnet cook bitnet 
windows logo lines organization monsanto company article holland digex brian holland writes markus maier maier wrote searching windows logo picture start windows suitable grafics format windows system vgalogo memory serves correctly compressed format readable wingif paintshop paint programs mike mattix agricultural group monsanto luling internet address dmmatt monsanto 
wanted symantec address originator dewinter philips organization philips research laboratories eindhoven netherlands lines beats skiing real holidays winter philips research building eindhoven netherlands mail dewinter philips 
wanted address symantec originator dewinter philips organization philips research laboratories eindhoven netherlands lines exact address symantec coporatoin distributes norton desktop windows software information mail address phone number number mail address advance beats skiing real holidays winter philips research building eindhoven netherlands mail dewinter philips 
change licensed data windows organization coastal systems station lines article rmohns clarku writes relation question changing registered information windows previous article dubinski wrote topic incribed disk encoded editor find write licensed change underneth find editor overwrite mistaken change part continuously downsizing government organization code branch year finished changing registration information norton utilities original requester offset user information reply similar answers encoded legality changing information reach alter serial number printed inside manual moore panama city 
application frameworks windows nntp posting host caesar uiowa organization university iowa image analysis facility lines article bharper uucp brett harper writes investigating purchase object oriented application framework good zinc platform independent resource strategy important brett harper thought resources important multiplatform toolkit check resources glockenspeil commonview motif wrote resource converter motif easy naming scheme motif rename controls widgets windows call button instance work motif call dialog motif expects text string number constructor convert define proper resource identifier check toolkit expects names resources resources platforms intend port commonview glockenspiel alex alex colburn image analysis facility university iowa colburn uiowa 
hercules graphite organization monash university melb australia lines article ntaib indiana iskandar taib writes article tomh haapanen writes hercules graphite adapter good paper steve gibson gave good review infoworld love real world impression speed drivers support world reviewers found herc people hard coded winbench text driver clever case winbench results pretty inflated impressive performance graphite winmark wintach result paint performance judging wintach tests imagine cheat driver agus budy wuysang digitech student monash university clayton melbourne australia 
diamond mouse cursor organization national library medicine lines article dabl lindbergh writes mouse cursor distortion running diamond driver version driver indication menus recently delivered gateway system latest drivers diamond wondered followup worker machine latest drivers driver takes minute cursor eventually mode susect stepping memory video card excluded line system problem persisted specific gateway machine components eisa ultrastore controller hoping kind problem call gateway order find folks lindbergh dabl 
originator lines reply brian anderson organization electrical computer engineering carnegie mellon distribution article wild digex wildstrom writes wild digex wildstrom subject date stuff deleted upgraded mathcad installed directory windows system upgrade told required 
procomm windows problems organization sdrc lines problems keeping hardware interrupts windows communication software turn disk write cache disk downloading cache save grabs control machine takes long write disk loose characters uart serial line uart buffer character internally uart buffer plenty situations windows find uart machine 
nntp posting host silver sjsu organization jose state university math dept lines rmohns clarku writes windows giant windows operating system unline billy gates assures true multi tasking multithreading meets security specs programs programs multi processor support primarily server program overhead high economical users correction billy promising windows programs major programs expect current apps 
make ghostscript work lines nntp posting host ulkyvx louisville organization university louisville files download ghostscript ghostscript files downloaded cica work files ghostscript windows understand versions environments files download info appeciated steve brewer rewerb evets louisville ellivsiuol xvyklu 
windows crashing nntp posting host monica oracle reply ebosco oracle organization oracle corp redwood shores disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle lines subjects windows crashing givinh late stable package crash worst part crash consistently reproduce crashes application recover simply closing application caused error times windows acts strange boot background leading edge phoenix bios memory windows fine couple weekends installed lotus windows game card additional simms leading edge machine kind strange controler built motherboard sparate board plugs motherboard simms macintosh simms apparently told leading edge parity built mother board original simms chip variety samsung installed chip simms recognized fine bios check game card generic gamecard reason mention hardware rebooting machine reset button leaves machine kind flaky turning doesn taking game card reproducible entire computer problems sppace minutes situation annoying good diagnostic tools hardware software problem helps manage dark quicken paint shop user appreciated eric ebosco oracle 
permanaent swap file dbldisk reply uchicago organization university chicago lines stuff deleted suggest opportunity technical workshops incredibly depth material bugs optimization straight offer huge discounts software remember correctly pick word excel presentation program full blown version upgrade educational version pick microsoft office sprang word workshops able full copies software campus bookstore software distributor rates aware educational version word excel doped hope helpful hope workshop save money microsoft reading love products graduate work brent casavant bcasavan uoknor david farley university chicago library east street uchicago chicago illinois 
permanent swap file organization mitsubishi electric research laboratories lines article freenet martin linsenbigler writes setup windows load mode grabbed megs swap file space empty time deleted windows time recently reloaded full windows megs rules permanent swap file contiguous fragmented space suspect responsible difference amount free disk case read rule thumb permanent swap file size regular size megs windows perm swap file works fact space megs make swap file bigger change virtual swap file megs depends running increase swap file applications closed mike lipsie work mlipsie merl mitsubishi electronic research laboratory home mikel uucp 
wanted address symantec reply cofc organization university illinois urbana lines dewinter philips winter writes exact address symantec coporatoin distributes norton desktop windows software information mail address phone number number mail address postmaster postmaster advance beats skiing real holidays winter philips research building eindhoven netherlands mail dewinter philips network administrator university charleston dept biology geology space grant consortium 
make ghostscript work organization university louisville apparently ghostscript distribution world lines files download ghostscript ghostscript files downloaded cica work files ghostscript windows understand versions environments files download info appeciated steve brewer rewerb evets louisville ellivsiuol xvyklu 
cirrus logic graph card organization technical university berlin germany lines nntp posting host athene berlin mime version content type text plain charset content transfer encoding newsreader version setting windows cirrus logic graphicscard moved normal window place parameters card equipped dram vram sockets vram moving window looked looked friends normal wondering bitblt engine suuposed chip experiences wrong installed mswin multiresolution drivers supplied card nice experience card faster drrivers love hold whatsoever gruss wolfgang 
procomm windows problems nntp posting host teal organization colorado supernet newsreader lines kentiler kent iler writes normal procomm buying windows version great reviews computer shopper friend connects mainframe unix machines screen problem keeping modem modem machine trouble keeping pcplus works great high speed modem arrives edition article applies windows apps running windows unadvertised limitations current windows serial performance deficient purchases high speed modem discovers problem time download file accept incoming upgrading modem overrun retry errors abound active application datacomm program transfer completes longer modem reasons problem universal asynchronous receiver transmitters uarts primitive devices single byte fifo buffers operating system driver read flush character high interrupt rates incoming character overwrites fifo previous lost fairly single minded environment datacomm windows windows operating system overhead plain interrupts longer service overruns report modem vendor losing data advised upgrade conspiracy ignorance issue advice store front mail order sources spoke attempting solve problem heard term uart uarts upgrade mother board board experience errors overruns standard microsoft windows drivers full advantage windows improved regard recommend driver upgrade applications procomm problem modem card problem modem part card designed aware state uart avoid overrunning card designers clever insist uart modem card modem cards conventional uarts work standard windows drivers simulate modem card pretending hardware situation uarts ports based national semiconductor chips megacells inside vlsi chips replace uart type system running microsoft diagnostic program windows bringing windows windows serial prevent accurately identifying windows prompt uart separate byte transmit receive fifos configurable trigger levels reliably clock rates current modem technology point pushing luck shorted access cycle times capability clear drivers technical info national semiconductor application note uart component locate uart mother board multi function card board modem card find socketed component numbers ports buried vlsi able perform chip replacement disable vlsi ports chose aftermarket board socketed chips plug power cmos version suppliers typically chip normal dual line package styles avoid chips early chips bugs national reportedly exchange manufacture free clone chips makers national manual turbocom drivers states support apparently equivalent chips national semiconductor chips technology texas instruments silicon systems vlsi turbocom warns western digital problems reported early systems reportedly upgrade socketed chips market multi function board modem card situation hosed multi function card disable port replacing assign watch conflicts turbocom cheaper cards interest problem solved quickly elected modular circuit technology card microdevices samaritan drive jose voice voice important sells card providing port type connector address comments socket ribbon socket parallel game ribbon includes ribbon cable connector secondary port ribbon cable connector game port bulkhead plates ribbon based connectors adaptor cable port individually disabled ports jumpers sells super card heard people expensive cards systems card greenfield trading distributors voice card sell afns data systems east highway longwood phone game card personal experience firms back card needed serial ports running irqs disabled built vlsi based ports turbocom driver internals sharing software situation simply upgrading uarts completely solve common overrun problems standard serial drivers full advantage windows drivers capable windows drivers limitations enable receive fifo rates enable transmit fifo results interrupt rate uploads trigger level bytes high easy bytes arrive driver read fifo ports menu control panel speeds modem sparse data text easily compress suggesting host connect rate effective accept rates programs programs aware benefit port standard drivers sharing bios initialize properly systems windows workaround apps provide port speed options problems reportedly solved windows addressed windows releases rumors suggest solved windows replacement drivers solve problems buying copy turbocom current version engineering research pacific commware division beacon hill lane ashland voice mcimail compuserve price recall accept credit cards send check egghead software list turbocom stock software company apparently needed reliable speed serial connections house instrument application wrote driver discovered market revised general purpose driver suite recently upgraded windows time licensed host connect rate datacomm apps problems downloads routinely transfer rates exceed linking lossless directional uploads remote systems matter hosts antique uarts drivers note highest rate windows port menu control panel configuring port turbocom allowing port factor real uart rate multiple rate passed windows apis dialog boxes hardware flow control enabled suggest transfer ascii data xoff sufficiently reliable method flow control informal standard xoff hysteresis sender transmit sixteen bytes receipt xoff receiving system device byte fifo rely exclusively xoff respected datacomm engineer informed windows environment data rates risky hardware flow control turbocom experience overruns busy systems lots apps running swapping progress situation processed board cost turbocom upgrade review boards review turbocom found issue windows sources magazine suggest turbocom upgrade experiment process priorities time slices power user thrashing system runs comm problems closing soapbox comments state serial datacomm support embarrassment computer industry oldest standard interface designing hardware writing software assigned senior lowest ranked engineers computer companies design average serial port years state major workstation vendor lobbied improved serial ports initial designs system family machines subsequently introduced ports exception computer companies champions decent learn serial situation shows sign improving fast arrives expect cries outrage windows users world wide sort work today fail miserably fast hardware buffered uart software drivers uart advantage fast modem waste money east harmony road niland suite internet fort collins compuserve copyright robert niland rights reserved permission granted automatic redistribution article electronic magnetic optical media unedited form usenet newsgroup article posted author permission granted compuserve usenet reader subscriber person received article compuserve site authorized author electronic mail author retain electronic copy make hardcopy reproductions edition article personal commercial provided material made article copyright statement copying storage reproduction redistribution article form prohibited express written consent author robert niland 
updated canon driver organization lines distribution world nntp posting host copy updated canon printer driver windows printer newer version email 
windows workgroups workplace organization school architecture university bath lines simple question number link mainframe novell workplace windows make life easier thinking windows workgroups file sharing network workplace time access file logged mainframe time simultaneously appreciated gary hunt centre advanced studies architecture university bath absgh bath 
word organization marquette university computer services lines reply dubinski nntp posting host vmsa article gcook greg cook writes article dubinski printed spanish characters built recall option extended character sequences character accessories group sequence font figured robert dubinski aliases include robb regal marquette university math computer science double major internet address dubinski milwaukee 
change licensed data windows organization marquette university computer services lines reply dubinski nntp posting host vmsa info licensing file organization address moved wanted change find find organization robert dubinski aliases include robb regal marquette university math computer science double major internet address dubinski milwaukee 
page setup notepad organization clark university lines previous article joel hawaii joel aycock wrote struggled margin problem ages finally hold shareware binary editor beav notepad setup facility force notepad default margins hardwired code search change offending bytes viola hardcode options interested problem rears ugly head printers epson remember aloha problems panasonic oterhwise great printer find driver version rmohns clarku mohns annoy rush limbaugh 
windows logo organization clark university lines previous article dmmatt wrote article holland digex brian holland writes markus maier maier wrote searching windows logo picture start windows suitable grafics format windows system vgalogo memory serves correctly compressed format readable wingif paintshop paint programs change windows startup logo vgalogo needed installed windows incorporated part make concatinate files option binary concatonation beleive copy vgalogo vgalogo mywin make backup file anotehr directory absent mindedly typed mywin resinstall windows substitute file info needed start windows bootstrap vgalogo video information make file file size limit file mywin startup windows annoying micro advertisment joker batman taking yoru picture screen smile text micro windows world commercially sucessful virus added frequency crashes post mohns rmohns water clarku drowned sand 
updated canon driver organization computer science department stanford university lines copy updated canon printer driver windows printer newer version email 
good sound formats conversion program organization university california berkeley lines nntp posting host uclink berkeley article monash writes good sound formats conversion program paintshoppro picture formats conversion send copy reply sound conversion program soundtool shareware germany found copy wuarchive wustl long time offhand directory great converting files types including formats great player editor special effects windows sound recorder shame requires driver sound cards builtin speaker sounds pretty good convert things convert soundtool play sound recorder give bret mogul berkeley biggest monkey head mogul berkeley guybrush mogul berkeley 
change licensed data windows organization toronto stock exchange lines rmohns clarku writes relation question changing registered information windows previous article dubinski wrote topic incribed disk encoded editor find write licensed change underneth find editor overwrite mistaken rmohns clarku similar note found foxpro windows setup file modified disk encrypted forgot microsoft stupid arrangement software paid company consulting software ideas start dumb things copy file mattias pirate software avoid copy order change registration information copy lying disk mattias hembruch views necessarily reflect mail mhembruc 
procomm windows problems organization texas university college station lines nntp posting host kbssun tamu newsreader version jeff meyers jmeyers csuchico wrote article kentiler kent iler writes friend connects mainframe unix machines procomm windows screen problem keeping modem modem machine upgrade faster video card baud modem reasons sought diamond speedstar million winmarks modem speed procomm windows million machine card yield acceptable speed home trusty baud modem problems running straight color christopher menzel internet cmenzel philosophy texas university phone college station 
gatewaying microsoft mail workgroups modem organization university british columbia vancouver canada lines distribution world nntp posting host unixg student association runs small novell network subnetwork windows workgroups microsoft mail director finance electrical engineering student gateway system slip university network internet exchange mail possibly modem periodically call check mail connect needed gatewaying software works reply dkmiller dleung read groups regularly mail common question site derek miller dkmiller researcher alma mater society thegrodd university british columbia canada room blvd vancouver campus mail zone phone 
organization redondo beach lines thread windows multi user multi threading case seperate accounts person seperate directories desired implentation simultaneuos scott scott reimert reimert etdesg standard disclaimer redondo beach blah blah blah store beer cool dark place 
windows crashing lines nntp posting host nevada organization unlv article ebosco oracle eric bosco writes ebosco oracle eric bosco subject windows crashing date subjects windows crashing givinh late stable package crash worst part crash consistently setting files config file fairly high number mine numbers recommended check stacks statement stacks good starting point increasing stacks stacks files identified frequent crashes lamont downs downs 
diamond mouse cursor reply loschen brandeis organization brandeis university lines article dabl lindbergh writes article dabl lindbergh writes mouse cursor distortion running diamond driver version driver indication menus recently delivered gateway system latest drivers diamond wondered followup worker machine latest drivers driver takes minute cursor eventually mode susect stepping memory video card excluded line system problem persisted specific gateway machine components eisa ultrastore controller hoping kind problem call gateway order find folks lindbergh dabl problem place check bios video shadowing diamond turned memory conflict good luck hope helps chris loschen brandeis 
article shelley qnaesinnemf organization university washington lines nntp posting host hardy washington wild digex wildstrom writes rmohns clarku writes chicogo true thrue multitasking multithreading smaller hardware requirements meet security specs client otehr differences main article chicogo week august chicogo development groups micro intense competition relationship arise server etowrk echonology chicogo client machine work partly chicogo small novell netware creates server scorn concept expect windows supposed released year read expect chicogo chicago differ sort announced windows understand inbfoworld accound windows sort lite full fledged operating system lacking server security features make bear true multithreading chicago windows differ start flame simply curious feature advantage products fact uncle bills seal approval feature 
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diamond mouse cursor organization physics department news software vnews reply bishop chem lines article dabl lindbergh writes mouse cursor distortion running diamond driver version driver indication menus recently delivered gateway system latest drivers diamond wondered followup worker machine latest drivers driver takes minute cursor eventually mode susect stepping memory video card excluded line system problem persisted specific gateway machine components eisa ultrastore controller hoping kind problem call gateway order find folks diamond speedstar mode time found distortions cursor cursor jumpy time time access swap file distorted greg bishop bishop chem 
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dataproducts printing correctly organization regional network systems group perth lines apology advance posting binary newsgroup attempts mail original poster intact clive mitchell regional network systems mitchell perth western australia 
hplj pricing organization rastek corporation huntsville lines clones count poor clone regular modifications require patience questions real quick version adobe clone level level issues adobe past released code incorporates modifications upgrades fixes software vendors level stuff sound assure frequent customer list begins dwindle face competition shift people maintenance design efforts level duplicate bugs make work correctly laserwriter laserjet bugs number call adobe heard deciding approach depends printer emulate follow book follow implementation doubt differences book adobe level issues refined book leave holes implementation specific stuff nice bood pined things implementations adobe exact opposite identical conditions pscript clone testing unfortunate side testing limited number sources test files primary source genoa characterizes files half pscript ideal files printer vendors adobe adobe output definition correct wrong poor clones rastek genicom clone called geniscript poor lack design poor book poor vendors newbold 
procomm windows problems lines nntp posting host pittpa cray organization cray research newsreader version robert niland wrote text deleted heard people expensive cards systems card vouch ordered including awhile figure working system terrific results downloading pcplus windows errors started program downloading high speed anymore text deleted huot huot 
cool files distribution organization george mason university fairfax virginia lines guess subject boring files windows wondering body beautiful file share site files scenery files animals files delete give john 
panasonic driver organization panix public access unix lines brzyckmj drexel mike writes print drivers windows panasonic matrix printer told panasonic uploaded compu erve account epson driver pretty slowly carl fink carlf fink genie bitnet facts stubborn things wishes inclinations dictates passions alter state facts evidence john adams 
distribution organization internet direct lines corp scott zabolotzky writes idea find program convert image image suitable windows wallpaper colors site advance scott scott cica indiana embed release number lates graphics workshop windows version work great bring images amiga converted great wallpaper color files find repost archive dave dave campbell wynapse wynapse wynapse shareware custom control source 
change licensed data windows nntp posting host hermes lines dubinski writes topic incribed disk encoded editor find disk compare utility versus windows flexible install time copy files hard disk greatly speeds things makes annoying spare compressed megs write licensed change underneth change pirate promote promote pandering corporate paranoia real issue convenience dealing floppies personally changing registration info valid solved quick utility half hour reinstall guaranteed mess settings time procedure finding encoded information copy windows disks directory install winstall copy directory winorig install winstall comp directories determine comp winorig report report file file change assuming cover covering tracks file difference noted offset locate offset original directory editor modified breaking code cryptography concerned schmoe office personalizing copy real pirates disassemble damned thing technique work obnoxious corporate product write original floppies install extreme cases able back floppies hard disk stuck compare floppies lotus stuff noted afford space hard disk customization reinstalling directory arduous stuff mentioned void license microsoft find careful disk editor mung important guess disclaimer kudla keywords oldfield jane leather phish light blue bondage steely genesis spaceship silver spaceship lion takes control 
diamond mouse cursor nntp posting host hermes lines dabl lindbergh writes mouse cursor distortion running diamond driver version driver indication menus recently delivered gateway system latest drivers diamond wondered sporadically flicker change shape snow briefly impair functionality call attention diamond professional sloppiness kudla keywords oldfield jane leather phish light blue bondage steely genesis spaceship silver spaceship lion takes control 
norton desktop windows organization stanford university lines windows friend installed norton desktop windows loads automatically type surely adds dismally slow process starting stop uninstall program pops running windows search found reference system progman removing failure starting windows progrman group deleted familiar turn chet email responses read news home account chetter 
truetype fonts display print organization laboratory computer science distribution lines installed truetype font windows applications display font correctly screen fail print document correctly laserjet postscript printer font coreldraw document prints correctly assume coreldraw font downloaded printer windows accessory write printer prints square boxes place characters font write display font correctly screen looked windows laserjet manuals make statement truetype fonts print screen assume windows font downloaded automatically make 
norton desktop windows organization university arizona department lines distribution world nntp posting host misvms arizona news software vnews article shiva stanford matt jacobson writes windows friend installed norton desktop windows loads automatically type surely adds dismally slow process starting stop uninstall program familiar turn friend uninstall read manual post infer pirated software change shell line read shell progman daniel david mittleman danny 
cirrus logic graph card gardner govt andy gardner reply gardner govt organization wellington city council public access wgtn nntp posting host kosmos govt lines article wong berlin wolfgang jung writes setting windows cirrus logic graphicscard moved normal window place wondering bitblt engine suuposed chip experiences wrong drivers drivers intended mistake driver version installed mswin multiresolution drivers supplied card quote steer clear multi resolution driver change resolution exiting windows buggy faster drrivers love hold whatsoever version drivers release cirrus dial modem phone bills minutes download driver good luck andy gardner wellington zealand whanga tara aotearoa 
change licensed data windows organization simon fraser university burnaby canada lines kudla robert kudla writes stuff changing windows registration omitted damned thing technique work obnoxious corporate product write original floppies install extreme cases able copy permanently write protected diskettes sliding tabs 
printing envelops nntp posting host crux cornell organization cornell university lines probelm printing envelops deskjet word windows history deskjet modify macro disable reverse printing interferred printing envelops present problem deskjet print driver printer bought december print envelops portrait mode deskjet feeds envelops narrow landscape mode printer print envelops correct orientation post semester cruch groups summarize answer advance craig stevenson 
norton desktop windows reply kris upenn organization cardiothoracic imaging research center lines nntp posting host katsuru circ upenn article stanford shiva stanford matt jacobson writes pops running windows search found reference system progman removing failure starting windows progrman group deleted familiar turn items group folder typically called norton desktop applications labelled norton desktop uninstall kris gupta cardiothoracic imaging research center dept radiology hospital pennsylvania internet kris circ upenn 
cool background patterns news software vnews organization trent computing telecommunications department lines cool background patterns made edit control lines patterns section bricks tile tile diagonal slats make desktop color standard colors patterns work dark grey cool mail stefan powell spowell peterborough ontario canada 
norton desktop windows organization university california berkeley lines nntp posting host garnet berkeley stop uninstall program uninstall icon exist norton desktop apps group install program 
truetype fonts display print summary adjust outlinethreshold organization distribution lines article avinash avinash chopde writes installed truetype font windows applications display font correctly screen fail print document correctly laserjet postscript printer windows accessory write printer prints square boxes place characters font write display font correctly screen common problem highly complex truetype fonts microsoft admits problem older versions postscript printer driver found pretty generic problem adjusting parameter outlinethreshold truetype section entry specifies number pels windows render truetype fonts outline fonts bitmap fonts default generally able fonts work setting outlinethreshold depending printer resolution point size windows resource warns fonts print square boxes smiling nichols bell laboratories rnichols 
hercules graphite organization software metrics lines tomh haapanen writes hercules graphite adapter good paper steve gibson gave good review infoworld love real world impression speed drivers support ntaib indiana iskandar taib writes world reviewers found herc people hard coded winbench text driver clever case winbench results pretty inflated things annoyed magazine review benchmarking technique flawed shown graphite cheating admit benchmark easy optimize cheat wintach harder beat cheat hercules overlappipping bitblit polyline optimization hercules driver produced identical scores thing magazine scores legitimate make comment real world performance winbench performance steve gibson results real world based micrografx draw benchmark gibson writes documented cheats real world applications hercules graphite adapter draws faster display adapter industry modest card outperformed local adapter including stealth fahrenheit mach weitek based diamond viper kind praise interested bogus winbench send mail returned dealer sold returned temporarily back running original graphite faster system bitmap handling bitblits hercules promotion vars software developers graphite graphite list graphite version decided worth supposed board weeks post impressions haapanen tomh software metrics waterloo stick index fingers corners mouth pull corrado makes feel january 
change licensed data windows reply carlos organization helldiver usenet node brooklyn york lines newsreader helldiver waffle charles prodigy writes installing software dubious simple ways change screen designed embarassment pirates prodigy open doors inetgate accept internet mail post news mail carlos dominguez sysadmin kibbitzer carlos carlos uucp carlos carlos bang 
smartdrv double buffer psweeney muohio organization miami university academic computer service lines curious double buffer parameter smartdrv problems windows leave esdi drive scsi response peter sweeney psweeney muohio 
winhelp virus organization univ alabama birmingham lines familiar virus infects winhelp file recently noticed unusual system behavior norton antivirus windows unknown virus winhelp file mwindows winos directories file changed installed system january information virus suggestions remedies greatly appreciated bobb samuell samuell 
qestion amipro demo files cica organization department psychology university toronto distribution lines question demo files amipro uploaded cica downloaded tryied install work addition altered eliminated nwres file reinstall norton desktop install eventually lotus send working model heard feel buying pointer greatly appreciated hiroto miyoshi toronto 
postscript view windows organization lehigh university lines find windows version ghostscript article hjstein huji harvey stein writes version ghostscript satisfied versions plain version version windows version harvey stein hjstein huji 
emulator organization university pennsylvania lines nntp posting host compstat wharton upenn posting news group read xview xremote xterm call info hope helps zhang dept stat wharton school univ penn zhang upenn hzhang wharton upenn 
distribution organization milwaukee school engineering milwaukee lines questions troubles wordperfect windows select change fonts text disappears center lines line disappeared find error correct newsgroup mail prefered waiting naked part nathan narloch alumn enforcer burp narlochn msoe milw join official psycho team 
font size windows organization state university lines card windows mode normal font small enhanced mode window font small monitor spacify font size window excuse trivial answer fairly windows world include message reference alavi ncsu 
wordperfect windows distribution organization milwaukee school engineering milwaukee lines questions troubles wordperfect windows select change fonts text disappears center lines line disappeared find error correct newsgroup mail prefered waiting naked part nathan narloch alumn enforcer burp narlochn msoe milw join official psycho team 
canon bubblejet deskjet originator kayman stanford keywords printer organization computer science department stanford university lines fellow netters collected wisdom decide printer purchase canon bubblejet deskjet thought trust salesperson benefit relying printers daily fullest potential figure benefits pitfalls salesperson greatly information render canon bubblejet hewlett packard deskjet faster noticeable print quality difference graphics handle large documents pages personal experience appreciated works windows driver problems cost memory font packages toner cartridges basically personal experiences machines highly desirable good advance kudos input mail news posting readily acceptable mail encouraged limits bandwidth sincerely robert kayman kayman stanford stanford theory theory practice practice revised revision original revised revision revised 
number video card summary number video card keywords video adaptor hardware graphics distribution world organization corp network products diego lines number video graphics adaptor windows windows 
keyboard specifications organization international menlo park lines hardware firmware gurus current home project build huge paddle keyboard physically handicapped relative mine goal keyboard sytle keyboard host system highly endowed keyboard world heart thing lack detailed information hardware signaling windows expecting project independant windows hope fellow window users programmers recognize point direction winn rosch hardware bible edition information scan codes wire diagram style connector leaves number important questions unanswered synchronous asynchronous serial communication guessing synchronous host providing clock event data framed half duplex guessing half duplex host turn leds chipsets communicating keyboard standard cannibalizing real keyboard book article written source information advise gamet safe afford replace event booboo time danke fuer ihre zeit thomas gamet gamet software engineer international 
page numbering problem canon organization university western ontario nntp posting host business lines canon printer driver windows unfortatunately problem printing page numbers bottom page print page number page bottom similar problem solution problem pwoodcoc pwoodcoc business patrick woodcock western business school london ontario 
application frameworks windows stefan acme stefan olson lines bharper uucp brett harper writes investigating purchase object oriented application framework good zapp inmark zinc zinc software views liant blaise considerations windows programming unix world quality intuitivness abstraction class libraries provide important adverse learning internals windows programming programming methodology closely aligned native arbitrary levels abstraction sake changing valuable microsoft founation classes visual good version source code close navtive classes manage data structures stefan stefan olson mail stefan acme kindness giving creates love 
windows mature originator cyen csci keywords windows organization computer science dept distribution lines system answer positive windows mature days people doubted windows real question windows confuses people microsoft simulated lousy create hierarchy groups create group group system parameters care uncomplete documentation easy find reason unpredictable error group deleting file deleting deleting group users file manager delete files users forget delete related files disk full nonsense files share problem create windows compilation editing language good editor sharing problem open save program loaded makes sense prevent saving opening microsoft compromise windows make windows graphical capacity mutiple jobs worst thing complicate environment orginal purpose windows simplify environment make easier means easy satisfy microsoft reputations evaluate user interface carefully products distribute flame jesse mail cyen 
make ghostscript work organization lehigh university lines font files wuarchive wustl mirrors msdos postscript advice cica nice interface ghostscript ghostscript user unfriendly interface makes user friendly interface vbrun risc network misc copy windows directory copy executables files ghostscript directory anter line autoexec ready enjoy article louisvill steve brewer writes files download ghostscript ghostscript files downloaded cica work files ghostscript windows understand versions environments files download info appeciated steve brewer rewerb evets louisville ellivsiuol xvyklu 
font size windows organization georgia institute technology lines article ncsu alavi writes normal font small enhanced mode window font small monitor spacify font size window excuse trivial answer fairly windows world alavi ncsu wanting sound nagging bossy trivial answer perfectly fine supposed move complicated challenging questions readers enjoy massive crossposting article justified refer newsgroups time misc problem concerned playing settings fonts dialog window control menu square left corner window costas malamas georgia institute technology opinions expressed necessarily internet ccastco gatech 
windows mature keywords windows organization communications distribution lines hierarchical icon groups windows norton desktop windows windows mature lousy supposed lousy goal ubiquitous good windows masses infrastructure unix cogniscenti infrastructure prove good effect good good effect ubiquitous significiantly higher level function posix corba problem infrastructure monopoly conundrum gentlepeople dubious rothstein veritech merrymeeting drive merrimack information technology verification leadership 
linux risc organization computer information chiao tung taiwan newsreader version lines dear friend risc means reduced instruction computer risc small instruction reduce circuit complex increase clock rate high performance read books computer architecture information risc ghhwang nctu form taiwan 
video drivers tseng true color organization national tsing university hsinchu newsreader version lines purchased video card called true color card provide colors question find drivers windows colors driver works fine driver driver advance forever michael jordan tony gtonwu nthu rheology nthu tony nthu 
insert color pics lines nntp posting host hengill subject intended insert color picture turns color jonni 
internal speaker driver organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host sandman caltech microsoft internal speaker sound driver windows microsoft site remember site 
windows mature keywords windows distribution organization georgia institute technology lines article jesse writes system answer positive windows mature days people doubted windows real question windows confuses people microsoft common complaints windows deleted jesse mail cyen hmm feeling start endless threads dont windows mature case windows dont quick judge plain vanilla windows courageous plain vanilla lots nice commercial shareware packages utilities boost windows past thought norton desktop windows replace ment progman give group group capability change group icons launch progs association fileman dragging file apps icon doesnt list windows kinda hard finetune boost configure trhe price paying capable machine differet story hand dont idea icons correspnding files supposed program launching utility file manager modify settings shell couple utilities cica supposedly give feel dont wanna discussion system good worse writing user assistant dont partial means check stuff cica cica indiana subdir user anonymous wait startrek threads avoid costas malamas georgia institute technology opinions expressed necessarily internet ccastco gatech 
midi files soundblaster summary play midi files windows card keywords midi soundblaster windows organization lines nntp posting host autarch acsu buffalo computer soundblaster card running microsoft windows driver properly play normal sounds files play midi files media player included windows patch maps midi mapper control panel midi feet windows play midi files david thomas dudek pwxs bitnet cybard state university dudek acsu buffalo york music food love buffalo play shakespeare 
video gurus feel attacking quirk article shelley qsce inngd distribution world organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host stein washington bizarre video problem windows gvga video board standard windows driver similarly configured computers thinking problem windows refreshes screen problem windows envoked colors start changing thought hardware open full screen program windows session problems back windows initially return windows original colors refreshed properly uniform color change solitaire design back card maintains original color scheme white fronts cards turn grey blue color darker finally dark purple black exit back windows screen refreshed windows things novell network fine originally loaded software bouncing machine finished configuring machine problems deleted machine bouncing work reloading windows avail thoughts things check totally baffled advance assistance instruction linda cornell lcornell washington office research 
organization center reliable high performance computing lines nntp posting host lyra crhc uiuc reply reimert etdesg message article reimert etdesg scott reimert writes thread windows multi user multi threading case seperate accounts person seperate directories desired implentation simultaneuos scott multi user march beta stuff exploits multi user features remember stating users share interpretation user console networking based stuff rlogin deamons systems party beta version unsecure ftpd reason write posix based shell unix remote logins general checked slow compared real beta version slow botts faster workstation windows subsystems start faster windows bill gates stated playing convinced owned busines business computer established vendor moving platform provide cheaper solution running servers robustness application requires hand games forget boot general defeats purpose features visible networked environment environment reboot machine personal wait based windows release jump bandwagon expect applications widely sadun anik illinois urbana champaign center reliable high performance computing mail anik uiuc 
windows lines organization university north texas distribution article narlochn msoe writes questions troubles wordperfect windows select change fonts text disappears center lines line disappeared find error correct newsgroup mail prefered mail preferred common problem wpwin post screen text page page complete refresh text reappears rare occasions completely exit save program reopened file chaos resolved annoying graphics problems made word windows user 
video drivers tseng true color organization national tsing university hsinchu newsreader version lines tony gtonwu nthu wrote purchased video card called true color card provide colors question find drivers windows colors driver works fine driver driver advance card display colors colors hope answer question forever michael jordan tony gtonwu nthu rheology nthu tony nthu 
tool windows organization national chiao tung university newsreader version lines tool windows tool 
fahrenheit problems organization dept diego lines nntp posting host tartarus ucsd recently bought orchid fahrenheit real nice card problems basic problem vertical lines missing display windows line viewer vpic fahrenheit mode vertical lines swapped strange vesa standards works great thinks card contacted orchid support helpful answer card problem works great friend computer setup fahrenheit bios opti chipset bios maxtor harddrive slave maxtor harddrive master panasonic monitor version windows drivers windows taking memory managers cards disk controller friend setup shamrock monitor greatful send mail tdarugar ucsd tdarugar ucsd tony 
hang lines organization faculty engineering monash university problem hangs extended mode access drives hang access tying text file hardware american megatrend motherboard bios conner hard drive trident svga standard mode 
config query organization university hawaii college engineering lines megs load smartdrv windows load ramdrive smartdrv ramdrive smartdrv config settings smartdrv ramdrive advance mail reply yuan hawaii 
wanted info asymetrix toolbook originator dewinter philips organization philips research laboratories eindhoven netherlands lines phone number asymetrix corporation interested mail address current status product toolbook received update year developments toolbook slowly dying winter beats skiing real holidays winter philips research building eindhoven netherlands mail dewinter philips 
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hang organization wiskunde informatica amsterdam lines monash charles choong writes problem hangs extended mode access drives hang access tying text file hardware american megatrend motherboard bios conner hard drive trident svga standard mode problem suggested bios check supplier tomorrow helps wouter 
organization cadillac lines nntp posting host gmeds expect windows supposed understanding chicago released year read expect chicogo dominic drohan email drohand gmeds electronic data systems phone talk hours ahead spin doctors note views opinions expressed mine reflect electronic data systems corp 
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wanted info asymetrix toolbook organization university passau germany lines nntp posting host passau article dewinter philips winter writes phone number asymetrix corporation interested mail address current status product toolbook received update year developments toolbook slowly dying winter beats skiing real holidays winter philips research building eindhoven netherlands mail dewinter philips mail adress support heard beta bitserv list toolb toolbook list olaf winkelhake 
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winword quattro problems notebook organization psychologisches institut heinrich heine universitaet duesseldorf lines nntp posting host notebook windows running fine winword quattro windows work fine virtual memory switching virtual memory option programs work system crashes programs work arbitrary virtual memory desktop wrong mail directly advance stefan stefan kolodzie heinrich heine university institute general psychology duesseldorf germany mail kolodzie duesseldorf 
quickly switch windows screen resolutions organization bell labs columbus ohio distribution nntp posting host slgsun lines switch window screen resolution quickly easily back install ability change couple startup configuration files resolution changed video drivers system problem sean sean gilley sean gilley address bounce 
transfer video tape organization california state university chico lines nntp posting host corpse ecst csuchico info behalf friend copy output monitor video tape ideas prescribe additional hardware software assuming intel windows environment advance jerry support jerry johnson struggling csci grad student jwjohn csuchico kind mothers dyslexia 
okidata printer driver organization university utah computer center lines okidata printer printer driver thing microsoft print windows fonts paradox windows print labels proper printer defined bryan ward survey research center university utah mail bryan utah 
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nntp posting host silver indiana organization indiana university lines article reimert etdesg scott reimert writes thread windows multi user multi threading case seperate accounts person seperate directories desired implentation simultaneuos running network slow fair amount expect windows multiuser sense sharing filesystems write telnetd character based apps graphics based apps shared running executables local things shaping client server architectures taking terminal setups note telnet character based apps yeah windows impressed iskandar taib thing worse peach internet ntaib indiana frog frog peach bitnet ntaib 
font size windows organization kansas state university lines nntp posting host uafhp uark ncsu alavi writes card windows mode normal font small enhanced mode window font small monitor spacify font size window excuse trivial answer fairly windows world include message reference alavi ncsu control window upper left corner window single click simplistic font option biggest characters turning funky hpoe helps 
windows nntp posting host shelduck organization eurocontrol central flow management unit lines article gene lavergne writes pause heard windows surprised immediately occurred sounds northern telecom product notice address subsidiary gene lavergne opera identify character elektra richardson worries opinions expressed mine windows derived letter alphabet recall chief architect chief designer rajiev gupta rajiev gupta eurocontrol cfmu disclaimer rajiev eurocontrol views bruxelles companies belgium 
questions windows nntp posting host shelduck organization eurocontrol central flow management unit keywords windows unix sparc lines article shan minghua shan writes windows thought intel compatable systems setting network includes sparc server dozen people suggest windows sparc server replacing current sunos good answering questions windows sparc server answer question unix applications unix windows multiuser windows released telephone number call info minghua shan read supported intel alpha mips series processors remember reading rumour sparc support future running unix applications read anounce avalaibility comdex spring hope helps rajiev gupta rajiev gupta eurocontrol cfmu disclaimer rajiev eurocontrol views bruxelles companies belgium 
windows crashing organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex article ebosco oracle eric bosco writes ebosco oracle eric bosco subject windows crashing date subjects windows crashing givinh late stable package crash worst part crash consistently turn parity checking good windows references home standard reference email back weird memory producing phony parity errors danger turn checkling slight risk data corruption missed real error 
linux risc nntp posting host turing organization computing laboratory newcastle tyne lines article eugene writes article ghhwang nctu ghhwang writes dear friend risc means reduced instruction computer risc small instruction reduce circuit complex increase clock rate high performance read books computer architecture information risc authority risc remember reading instruction risc cpus large difference addressing modes risc instruction sets orthogonal cisc hope clear lecture notes alternative approach cisc adopted recent years risc reduced instruction computer characterised simply simpler faster simplifying design reducing variety instructions addressing modes hardware designed faster cost needing instructions task quickly simpler faster design typical risc processor provide large number registers perform data operations registers provide addressing modes register offset load store operations access memory instruction formats support data types integer unsigned floating steffi beckhaus janet steffi beckhaus newcastle odds million occurring chances 
software windows organization university evansville distribution lines current software windows baud modem respond info chad toelle toelle philip vernon uunet evansville toelle 
cool files reply eric organization bell sygma revenue systems development lines article rwang writes guess subject boring files windows wondering body beautiful file share site files scenery files animals files delete downloaded compuserve month raytraced image golf ball hole nice bitmap easily converted windows upload copy cica eric eric trepanier internet eric grenon laval quebec canada beer 
microsoft foundation classes borland organization technical university berlin germany lines distribution nntp posting host troll berlin mime version content type text plain charset content transfer encoding compile ctrltest samples directory compiling libs able distinguish pointers overloaded functions imagine overloaded functions void void void impossible adress functions assign properly defined function pointer problem 
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startup screen downgraded startup screen organization university houston lines nntp posting host harebell hheellpp mee installed color svga driver windows week driver downloaded cica indiana specifically paradise svga card installed windows startup screen beginning windows startup screen works fine startup screen startup screen changed system file figure alter mail address thang thang addition paradise svga driver color computer drivers driver advance 
borland paradox offer organization physics department news software vnews reply bishop chem lines buying borland paradox windows database windows work home advantage borland april offer package borland claims wondering opinions belmonte interested program easy strongly suggest approach extremely easy make reports paradox paradox build complicated application paradox heard horror stories access programming extremely cryptic fairly small stuff work home database recommend approach found small thing easily database order records entered logical ordering permanently reorder dbase command records requires sorting records appropriately problem order exporting database database approach database copying exported files back original filename small weakness items approach slower paradox loading paradox takes forever minute load paradox takes memory hard disk greg bishop bishop chem 
quickly switch windows screen resolutions distribution organization georgia institute technology lines article idealistic cynic writes switch window screen resolution quickly easily back install sean gilley cica indiana util misc program caleld vswitch close hope helps costas malamas georgia institute technology opinions expressed necessarily internet ccastco gatech 
diamond speedstar driver disclaimer public access unix system university denver denver community university control responsibility opinions users organization public access unix denver math dept lines article robert writes driver diamond speedstar video card diamond baud phone number baud phone number site surprised 
cool files organization georgia institute technology lines article rwang writes guess subject boring files windows wondering body beautiful file share site files scenery files animals files delete eric hmm upload files color give fishing pole fish begginers guide coolest windows backgrounds step cica cica indiana user anonymous passwd guest util desktop wingif pspro scale dither convert gifs bmps index file subdir future reference step wuarchive wustl plaza aarnet archive orst graphics index file gigabytes pictures waiting desktop advice slow computer make selecting dither abovementioned apps hope helps costas malamas georgia institute technology opinions expressed necessarily internet ccastco gatech 
microsoft foundation classes borland organization spss distribution lines article make berlin kerkhoff writes compile ctrltest samples directory compiling libs able distinguish pointers overloaded functions imagine overloaded functions void void void impossible adress functions assign properly defined function pointer problem chasing wrong problem function overloading sort thing time hitch problems encountered porting fact depends couple invalid assumptions entire ctrltest reason makes assumptions order static global objects initialized objects accessed initialized problem owner draw menu code comment section pieces ctrltest work fine major gotchas found cfile openflags enum hard coded numbers open mode manifest constants defined fcntrl differ collection classes depend assumption reference base object place reference derived object true pointers references problems lines encountered hope addressed hype portability vendor compilers employer opinions posting lasts forever brendler cubs mike royko spss chicago 
windows crashing article ohsu organization oregon health sciences university lines nntp posting host article wild digex wildstrom writes article ebosco oracle eric bosco writes ebosco oracle eric bosco subject windows crashing date subjects windows crashing givinh late stable package crash worst part crash consistently turn parity checking good windows references home standard reference email back weird memory producing phony parity errors danger turn checkling slight risk data corruption missed real error problem work turning parity checking worked windows parity error occur immediately exiting windows problem turned chip simms chip simms chip simms computer replaced problem vanished forever 
questions windows keywords windows unix sparc organization university houston lines nntp posting host rosie news software vnews article rajiev eurocontrol rajiev gupta writes article shan minghua shan writes stuff deleted windows sparc server answer question unix applications unix windows multiuser windows released telephone number call info minghua shan read supported intel alpha mips series processors remember reading rumour sparc support future running unix applications read anounce avalaibility comdex spring hope helps rajiev gupta rajiev gupta eurocontrol cfmu disclaimer rajiev eurocontrol views bruxelles companies belgium april issue magazine quote eventually windows ported successful risc architecture powerpc risc candidates sparc strong unix software base bill 
moving icons nntp posting host epistat miami organization university miami medical school lines kmembry uucp kirk membry writes remember reading program made windows icons mouse moved program location cica remember program called icofrite cica richard calderon rcaldrn miami university miami school medicine information systems computing miami florida 
linux risc lines risc means reduced instruction computer risc small instruction reduce circuit complex increase clock rate high performance read books computer architecture information risc authority risc remember reading instruction risc cpus large difference addressing modes risc instruction sets orthogonal cisc things interested today risc processors true fewer instructions commonly size executables swell cases performance similar larger applications compromise risc processors today cross reduced instructions complex future cisc processors intel proved group dave subject linux risc newsgroups comp unix unix comp misc comp comp windows apps comp windows misc comp linux questions comp apps spreadsheets comp misc linux comp linux linux references article eugene article ghhwang nctu ghhwang writes dear friend risc means reduced instruction computer risc small instruction reduce circuit complex increase clock rate high performance read books computer architecture information risc authority risc remember reading instruction risc cpus large difference addressing modes risc instruction sets orthogonal cisc people eugene mpce dave siegel president systems networking president uofaz hardware computing knowledge society hacks dsiegel arizona dsiegel arizona dsiegel 
windows speaker sound driver summary organization university denver dept math comp lines site speaker sound driver sound file claims driver suspicious file alec 
window start position davidw david white organization industrial research auckland zealand keywords window startup position nntp posting host kauri auck lines hayesj colorado hayes james michael writes give window default start position size sizeit cica indiana directory desktop freeware noticed program called sizer description hope helps david white engineer goon internet davidw 
windows slower summary norton computer slower windows slower keywords windows organization dept memorial university newfoundland lines adam benson pearl adamb 
windows speaker sound driver nntp posting host jobe organization portal communications company voice data lines article alee alec writes site speaker sound driver sound file claims driver suspicious file file tony annese claebaur portal claebaur portal 
save hard disk allocation error cross linked reply banko organization university illinois urbana lines running quick compiler window windows evening program violated system integrity close applications exit windows restart computer error started immediately disk error message windows return retry times rebooted find files corrupted including chkdsk output questions easy restore working order approaches caused smartdrv cache make vulnerable suspicious hard drive caches cache data writing straightforward approach chkdsk option disk reinstall windows things comments suggestions brad banko machine hard drive chkdsk output volume serial number errors found parameter corrections written disk vpic cvpic allocation error size adjusted vpic vpic allocation error size adjusted vpic video allocation error size adjusted vpic orcpro allocation error size adjusted vpic allocation error size adjusted game goose bird allocation error size adjusted winmisc winadv allocation error size adjusted lost allocation units found chains bytes disk space freed vpic cvpic cross linked allocation unit vpic geno cross linked allocation unit vpic cross linked allocation unit vpic cross linked allocation unit vpic config cross linked allocation unit vpic vpic cross linked allocation unit vpic video cross linked allocation unit vpic defincon cross linked allocation unit vpic atiwondr cross linked allocation unit vpic geno cross linked allocation unit vpic cross linked allocation unit vpic hires cross linked allocation unit vpic aheada cross linked allocation unit vpic vpic cross linked allocation unit vpic orcpro cross linked allocation unit vpic everx cross linked allocation unit vpic wait cross linked allocation unit vpic maxxon cross linked allocation unit vpic wait cross linked allocation unit vpic everx cross linked allocation unit vpic cross linked allocation unit vpic config cross linked allocation unit vpic readme cross linked allocation unit vpic cross linked allocation unit game goose bird cross linked allocation unit windows system sound cross linked allocation unit windows games cross linked allocation unit windows cross linked allocation unit mage demo cross linked allocation unit mage demo cross linked allocation unit mage pkin cross linked allocation unit winmisc games dialword cross linked allocation unit winmisc games dialword cross linked allocation unit winmisc winadv cross linked allocation unit winmisc cross linked allocation unit winmisc cross linked allocation unit winmisc freezer cross linked allocation unit spart cross linked allocation unit cross linked allocation unit bytes total disk space bytes hidden files bytes directories bytes user files bytes disk bytes allocation unit total allocation units disk allocation units disk total bytes memory bytes free brad banko dept physics illinois banko teach 
fortran library windows traversmorgan actrix guan chua organization actrix information exchange lines fortran library windows lots source code written past fortran recently needed port windows avoid major code rewrite windows library reply mail traversmorgan actrix guan chua travers morgan wellington 
wallpaper windows organization worcester polytechnic institute lines nntp posting host utility make windows randomly select windows directory files wallpaper file nate nathan crowell dept materials science acrl worcester polytechnic institute mail bigal flower genesis supper ready 
wincmd trouble string variables organization computer science department blacksburg lines playing wincmd utility magazine trouble concatenating string variables temp path temp file fullpath temp fullpath output fullpath fullpath temp fullpath output file dropping characters concatenations memory variables total article mention memory limits email idea actual source output james begole begolej 
quicken tobias managing money summary comparisons tobias keywords quicken tobias organization wollongong group palo alto lines copy tobias managing money quicken wonderful things features doesn able handle monthly automatic deductions checking account monthly payment electronically deducted month checking account able handle monthly deductions fact apparently monthly bimonthly quarterly yearly aware comparitive study programs give personal impressions familiar give capsule review greatly appreciated worth post reply 
format organization simon fraser university burnaby canada distribution lines experienced problems formatting system floppy file manager formatted disk boot hard drive recognized install doublespace able make good working system floppy command shell windows problem heard craig silver computer science simon fraser university silver internet burnaby canada 
exit codes wrong group organization george washington university lines post question windows group kinda hurry scramble find groups names ccan find exit codes commands manual copy order make move batch file file coppied properly deleted mail louray mickey michael panayiotakis louray uunet seas louray make windows file reflect directory wrong 
diamond mouse cursor comment lindbergh organization lines gateway fidogate lindbergh meinte thema diamond mouse cursor mouse cursor distortion running diamond driver version driver indication menus recently delivered gateway system latest drivers diamond wondered bios driver januar problems mouse cursor newer driver published sebastian beer gimme gummi lass raus 
setting user accounting system wfwg organization public access unix denver math dept lines novice working networks process planning small accounting system small business case machines office building access windows based accounting system thought windows workgroups machines ethernet cards cabling windows workgroups starter additional user logical purchase simple multi user accounting system lines daceasy fire server report check printer attached cable runs feet setup easy network gurus mind suggestions trivial immensely appreciated apologies brought john john martin jemartin university puget sound kent martin seinfeldsupersonicsrushbelafleck john martin jemartin university puget sound kent martin seinfeldsupersonicsbc rushdweckl 
linux risc organization university toronto engineering computing facility lines article eugene writes article ghhwang nctu ghhwang writes dear friend risc means reduced instruction computer risc small instruction reduce circuit complex increase clock rate high performance read books computer architecture information risc authority risc remember reading instruction risc cpus large difference addressing modes risc instruction sets orthogonal cisc people eugene mpce theoretically supposed reduced longer arguing risc cisc personally cisc pentium intel architectures story brian hojo excuse miss leebr toronto leebr toronto linux free clone 
importing files word organization physics electronics laboratory lines jburke bates jburke writes wondering knew view word couple lines helps adobe creator prowrite title tcwn orientation portrait pages pageorder ascend james burke reading agree hold writer responsible evil jburke bates happening befall time similar problem converting file solution simple changed line adobe adobe fouled converter file contained simple move draw statements mario mario veraart physics electronics laboratory email rioj hague netherlands fails show pretty pictures animated videos talk performance david bailey 
windows organization physics electronics laboratory lines umyin umanitoba qing writes easy question windows gurus write line application windows software developer toolkit build file windows engine hope complicated kindly give hints build line pages explain complicated point vincent umyin umanitoba developed windows application sort file compile generate files files files generated wordprocessor word solution specific application mario mario veraart physics electronics laboratory email rioj hague netherlands fails show pretty pictures animated videos talk performance david bailey 
cool files organization george washington university lines downloaded compuserve month raytraced image golf ball hole nice bitmap easily converted windows upload copy cica specifics mickey michael panayiotakis louray uunet seas louray make windows file reflect directory wrong 
wallpaper windows organization george washington university lines article bigal nathan charles crowell writes utility make windows randomly select windows directory files wallpaper file nate nate couple personally screenpeace screen saver select wallpaper directory necessarily windows info pretty happy screenpeace latest version cica windows scrpc mickey michael panayiotakis louray uunet seas louray make windows file reflect directory wrong 
windows hangs organization wiskunde informatica amsterdam lines wlieftin liefting writes windows freaks bought windows dutch version time recently upgraded computer cache memory maxtor works real fine windows playing patience minesweeper suddenly system hangs move mouse anymore screen blank screen blank computer reboot stops reaching memory test message illegal kernel call accompanied adress close button pressing application close experienced problem programs programs suspect hang problem patches forgot cmos make computer faster higher speed wait states enable caches crash faster deliberately slow system slow speed wait states disable internal external cache shadowing crash hope wouter problem disk switch computer starts windows dutch windows switches switches back text mode exits resets system works fine patrick amsterdam 
speedstar windows enhanced mode reply dsou nohost nodomain lines nntp posting host based problem configure high memory qemm speedstar video card hyperdisk disk cache software problem running windows enhanced mode high memory load stuff high note recommended exclude region windows insists starting standard mode suggestions 
windows workgroups workplace reply spitz muenchen richard spitz organization inst anaesthesiologie muenchen germany distribution comp windows apps comp windows misc comp world lines flint waters flint waters writes workplace time work fine someday wfwg communicate tcpip load netbeui odinsup works sounds great works thought ndis problem workplace drivers umbs hate load drivers make work read german computer magazine support corner news richard richard spitz internet spitz muenchen gruppe anaesthesie klinikum grosshadern munich germany 
windows workgroups workplace reply spitz muenchen richard spitz organization inst anaesthesiologie muenchen germany lines flint waters flint waters writes workplace time work fine someday wfwg communicate tcpip load netbeui odinsup works sounds great works thought ndis problem workplace drivers umbs hate load drivers make work read german computer magazine support corner news richard possibly caused dupe message message spread munich send short note debug news application richard spitz internet spitz muenchen gruppe anaesthesie klinikum grosshadern munich germany 
wallpaper windows organization university joensuu lines louray michael panayiotakis writes utility make windows randomly select windows directory files wallpaper file couple personally screenpeace change wallpaper written short program systemparametersinfo function news vbrun program order pictures depends system date number files directory picture remains execute program multiple times number bmps changed feel uuencode email unavailable ismo inen joensuu joensuu nglui mglw nafh cthulhu lyeh wgah nagl fhtagn 
utility updating system organization university tromsoe norway lines nead utility updating deleting adding changing files windows find host svein 
moving icons organization distribution lines article rutgers viamar kmembry writes remember reading program made windows icons mouse moved program location cica program called icon frightener included book stupid windows tricks levitus tittel addison wesley freeware happily email copy upload upload internet firewall nichols bell laboratories rnichols 
windows nntp posting host beta organization trondheim college engineering newsreader version lines mario veraart mveraart wrote umyin umanitoba qing writes easy question windows gurus write line application windows software developer toolkit build file windows engine hope complicated kindly give hints build line pages explain complicated point vincent umyin umanitoba developed windows application sort file compile generate files files download cica indiana package buid simple files rich text format files package tamplates word files generated wordprocessor word solution specific application mario mario veraart physics electronics laboratory email rioj hague netherlands fails show pretty pictures animated videos talk performance david bailey 
truetype font times cyrillic organization insitute flight guidance lines nntp posting host frodo problem truetype fonts windows installed cyrillic fonts found cica strange thing windows cyrillic supposed times roman examples tools backup version line cyrillic text opening banner line importing word windows text written times results cyrillic idea problem reiner suikat institute flight guidance german aerospace research establishment 
windows applications organization digital equipment enterprise apeldoorn netherlands lines searching business information windows application create wordprocessors spreadsheets drawing programs schedulers programs mail information references summaries results media advance anton ruiter digital equipment corporation workgroup products objectworks anton ruiter software product manager post office apeldoorn netherlands oude apeldoornseweg apeldoorn netherlands mail hlde ruiter location internet aruit philips uucp mcsun philapd aruit phone business phone private 
quicken tobias managing money organization purdue university lines article michael wiesenberg wrote copy tobias managing money quicken wonderful things features doesn able handle monthly automatic deductions checking account monthly payment electronically deducted month checking account comparison products devoted quicken user weekly monthly quarterly yearly transactions memorize feature ctrl record recurring transactions define transaction group memorized transactions frequency monthly quicken automatically make transactions recall group individual transactions entered additionally bill minder remind transaction group transaction groups payments beginning month middle month quarterly payments hope helps mike 
videoblaster speaker keywords video blaster speaker driver reply meyer joerg meyer organization university kaiserslautern germany lines software videoblaster designed work soundblaster manufacturer soundblaster possibility speaker driver play audio files videoblaster audio video interleave files device driver media player controls speaker driver soundblaster card mcispkr heard driver wrong track information appreciated send mail watch group regularly joerg meyer mail meyer university kaiserslautern germany space rent 
link segment problem calling time functions summary incorrect linking time functions keywords link runtime segment organization naval surface warfare center lines small windows program work program vaguely char winmain lstrcpy lpstr long pascal wndproc lstrcpy lpstr large model windows linking errors program sorting preload segments resources fast load section copying segment bytes fatal error segment relocation information large load optimization make segment loadoncall rerun switch segment preloaded switch interfere proper function lstrcpy call explain pugsley dpugsle nswc navy 
utility updating system reply uchicago organization university chicago computing organizations lines article nosubdomain nodomain svein pedersen writes nead utility updating deleting adding changing files windows find host svein completely misunderstanding notepad sysedit found system subdirectory edit files sysedit program cool automatically opens system autoexec config files edited drewster uchicago 
mathcad organization llnl lines distribution nntp posting host talon llnl phone mathsoft technical service admitting problem unknown nature maple norton desktop windows clue time collecting configuration information systems exhibit problem problems loading maple solver mathcad shoud call technical support made schedule promices actively working problem meantime workaround provide configuration selection autoexec progman plan maple solver norton place menu screen timeout auto boot david fuess center eecs phone lawrence livermore national laboratory 
diamond speedstar driver reply organization metaphase technology keywords speedstar lines swapping generic card diamod speedstar noticed problems create windowed session mode text starts scroll printing characters starts print horizontal lines spill desktop trash entire display ctrl terminates window restores desktop short time remote windows characters displayed desktop changed unreadable unable restore rebooting color drivers large small fonts smartdrv installed speed card problems ideas steve chesney metaphase technology voice north lexington avenue arden hills 
trident driver nntp posting host lookout organization west information technologies lines excuse trident based card claims support drivers card drivers diskette windows make drivers diskette configuration dialog suggestion mail dfeldman 
change icons forever nntp posting host isluga organization pontificia universidad catolica chile newsreader lines change icon forever program manager advance alejandro cifuentes acifuent 
utility updating system reply bailey adrian bailey organization loughborough university lines article nosubdomain nodomain svein pedersen writes nead utility updating deleting adding changing files windows find host svein windows built called sysedit windows 
color monochrome organization university passau germany lines nntp posting host passau walther maximum resolution combination video card screen flickering suggest color screen flickering small tastes personally prefer mono screen windows open program time rarely switch color surplus worth trading smaller size develop programs check colors mono screen worst worlds surprised colors looked choose color screen olaf winkelhake 
ultra confirmation reply wimsey organization systems vancouver canada lines heard things ultra card positive negative people confirm interested eisa version card work system card works system switches slower card interlaced true colour modes latest build drivers work cases card fastest full colour card money card greatest thing sliced bread feedback summarize alan walford systems vancouver canada wimsey uunet wimsey eosvcr 
workgroup questions conven licensing reply wimsey organization systems vancouver canada lines appreciative answer questions windows workgroups novell netware lite work windows conventional memory moving machines conventional driver network card novell card drivers needed license check network ensure machine running licenced copy note break license agreement copy machines meets returning opened copy easier returning opened copies upgrade windows replace install depend current files install windows server troubles machines started message questions carried stop forward replies alan walford systems vancouver canada wimsey uunet wimsey eosvcr 
serial printing lines distribution world nntp posting host keele summary output serial printer garbles windows works keywords works handshaking serial newsreader version problems setups printing serial printer laser works windows write output send plain text output fancy garbles output exception outputting lserjet appears fast receiving data bother handshaking messages print network manager options similar problems cured bout john atherton 
quicken tobias managing money disclaimer public access unix system university denver denver community university control responsibility opinions users keywords quicken tobias organization public access unix denver math dept lines article michael wiesenberg writes aware comparitive study programs give personal impressions magazine january review personal finance management programe computing january world december articles quicken managing money email copies articles find library managing money years friends quicken impression quicken financial accounts manager managing money completely manage finances features managing money quicken share ability records financial accounts checking savings charge cash brokerage reconcile account statements records program ability make budget track spending budget checkfree module checkfree bill paying service bills modem ability print checks printer ability loan records automatic loan payments ability import stock quotations brokerage accounts date managing money automatically modem quicken ability export information popular preparation programs features managing money quicken prediction module accounts budget predict liability coming year usefull fine tune withholding uncle early insurance vital records module place records insurance policies vital records compute life expectancy financial analysis module computes compound interest effects inflation loan payments term interest yield maturity bonds savings account yields days dates loan amortization schedules functions decide refinance mortgage afford home rental property good investment lease rent investment cash flow adequate situation module plan retirement helping kids tuition worth module place record assets liabilities worth computed information assets liabilities recorded modules automatically included desk module includes small word processor card file store names addresses phone numbers vital information friends associates perpetual calander rudimentary calculator list reminder list appointment list place record phone calls track things appointments reminders list made display automatically start program things listed quicken quicken listed wrong hordes quicken devotees flame crisp thing quicken managing money windows version meca software rumored working windows version managing money release late year hope information found managing money usefull program keeping financial records hand people equally happy quicken quicken features find managing money features quicken worth price 
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utility updating system stephen gibson distribution world organization sonoma state university nntp posting host computer sonoma useragent nuntius lines article svein pedersen writes utility automatic updating deleting adding changing files windows program batchfile program script windows utility updating files meny find host svein managing novell network network management tools provided sabre software automated design systems features find utilities manage files stored users workstations home directories commercial software worth money date found compare reply address info stephen gibson system support specialist sonoma state university email gibsonst stephen gibson 
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windows multiple monitors organization cslab autralian national lines distribution world nntp posting host working gathering data users computers involves subjects type mouse able watch room ideal watch session monitor subjects knowledge spliting monitor cable work short distances approx cable travels connected network windows software watch happening gough trust project 
order files written exitting windows nntp posting host rintintin colorado organization university colorado boulder lines point hardware problem disk maxtor group files corrupted regular basis drive corrupt file year control winword disk access smartdrive installation dblspace problem turned annoyance reason murder frequent files corrupted files thing written exitting windows shareware utilities compatable mike hayes knowledge good faber college motto knowledge thoroughness rensselear poly motto unemployed tech groucho marx races driven banging head engineering physics years 
quickly switch windows screen resolutions nntp posting host monica oracle reply ebosco oracle organization oracle corp redwood shores distribution disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle lines article idealistic cynic writes switch window screen resolution quickly easily back install ability change couple startup configuration files resolution changed video drivers system problem sean sean gilley sean gilley shareware program called switch remember wuarchive wustl cica indiana easy problem eric ebosco oracle 
windows speaker sound driver nntp posting host monica oracle reply ebosco oracle organization oracle corp redwood shores disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle lines article alee alec writes site speaker sound driver sound file claims driver suspicious file alec sound extracting script includes file works great eric 
trumpet windows news readers organization cwru school medicine lines nntp posting host slip dialin cwru article mcbride ginny mcbride writes article ashok cwru ashok aiyar writes wintrumpet late beta excellent product features version wintrumpet supports trumpet novell direct packet driver version people shim cost speak peter tattam understanding shareware status trumpet imagine registration fees similar version trumpet released future ashok ashok aiyar mail ashok cwru department biochemistry cwru school medicine cleveland ohio 
windows organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet martin linsenbigler nntp posting host hela cwru previous article rudim kuleuven rudi maelbrancke windows created permanent swap file recommended access startup memory free leave config memory free windows recommends swap file noems expanded active give extended windows bases covered memmaker internal memory familiar happening possibly manage virtual memory true find including suspicious parts optimized environment develop applications windows programming environment rudi artin communication artin university arizona tucson freenet mlinsenb arizona mlinsenb death dead years follow king kings 
math processor nntp posting host fred udel organization university delaware newark lines windows math processor talking specific apps call respond email peter schwenk schwenk udel 
mouse windows applications windows organization netcom line communication services guest lines wnkretz energietechnik stuttgart oliver kretzschmar writes work mouse windows application runs window windows clipper applications exists routines mail informations efforts oliver kretzschmar inst university stuttgart phone pfaffenwaldring stuttgart email wnkretz energietechnik stuttgart simple mouse mouse loaded windows note files loaded mouse windows 
workgroup questions conven licensing organization aotc cssc lines distribution world reply rruther tansu nntp posting host watts cssc melb tansu article wimsey wimsey alan walford writes appreciative answer questions windows workgroups novell netware lite work windows conventional memory moving machines conventional driver network card kbyte novell support novell card drivers needed license check network ensure machine running licenced copy note break license agreement copy machines meets returning opened copy easier returning opened copies upgrade windows replace install depend current files install windows server troubles machines mixed beta problem printer sharing beta problem started message questions carried stop problems mouse drivers windows didn critical actualy port problem network card running changed allright bios forward replies alan walford systems vancouver canada wimsey uunet wimsey eosvcr ralf rutherford telecom aust mhsnet rruther melb tansu network services snail blackburn clayton customised software solutions australia center melbourne phone 
speeding windows keywords speed organization university illinois urbana lines djserian lakeheadu reincarnation elvis writes megs memory noticed programs wpfw corel draw computer boggs sluggish increase performance turn loading wallpapers stuff running speed windows programs advance derek make hard drive defragmented speed windows norton tools leaving wall paper speed machine wrong good chance speed things good luck morgan bullard uiuc mjbb uiuc derek serianni mail djserian lakeheadu sociologist miles chicago full tank lakehead university half pack cigarettes dark thunder ontario wearing sunglasses elwood blues 
comm replacement organization university denver dept math comp lines recent post download replacement comm fixed problems high speed modems site alec alec aslee cair alee sexy wrong sexy nigel tufnel spinal 
filemanager strange sizes summary line organization lost space lines masika nicholas masika writes noticed filemanager strange recently line bottom filemanager status guess displays total disk space total number bytes current selection select bunch files exact byte count recently notice incorrectly displays count truncating select file bytes correctly displays bytes select select file bytes displays bytes kbytes bytes select report bytes selection select worth files reports bytes problem displaying characters system memory stacker latest virus scanners scan prot report unknowingly altered controls formatting status filemanger sounds separator contol panel international makes file manager chopping thinks decimal part file size file manager confused decimal points commas chopping period tony debari fqdn tonyd sbwk uucp uunet tonyd ghrw skip bowler captain usenet fantasy bowling league team 
quicken tobias managing money organization distribution keywords quicken tobias lines quicken early days money windows financial planning package called wealthbuilder reality technologies money magazine taxes turbo packages good support manage finances company windows based package manages budgets accounts manages loans calculates taxes knowledge investing philosophy invest investment vehicles integrates business life khackbarth 
cornerstone dualpage driver wanted tkelder tonis kelder nntp posting host kask newsreader version lines lines window driver cornerstone dualpage cornerstone technology video card info kelder estonian biocentre tkelder 
printer security keywords printers security attacked midnight phantom printer users rack utilities multiple passwords access nntp posting host aisun organization programs university georgia athens lines mark juric programs mjuric university georgia athens georgia 
cica mirror organization umass lowell computer science lines find busy dial repeatedly connected 
mouse windows organization umass lowell computer science lines pursued researched question month requirements long short windows mouse drivers accept mice special drivers talked mouse systems driver support claim releasing alternative case prohibitively expensive port card author powerbbs windows claim port serial card buffered uarts drivers windows match paragraph hearsay checked intend free hope save steps 
organization lines article adean ucsd anthony dean writes reading confusion atmanager packages buying included atmanager bonus desktop publishing pagemaker coreldraw coreldraw nifty laser disk diff types ttfonts decent amount fonts print creations postcript resolution resolution enhancement technology darn good copies good diff atmanager turned worth printer technologies truetype fonts truetype fonts sufficient fonts install type postscript truetype noticed truetype font files larger type equivalents disk compressor aware truetype fonts compress type fonts encrypted laser printer artificial bold version truetype font indistingishable original forcing install actual bold bold italic variants type postscript fonts generate visually distinct bold variant base font realize artificial bold font generates aesthetically inferior hand generated bold truetype variant sufficient install bold variants saves disk space uncompressed nichols bell laboratories rnichols 
people machine lines people sharing machine separate environments windows setting things separate desktops directories ideally totally separate virtual machines settle batch files copy files depending machine mark alas setup work network 
trnasfering binary files terminal unix originator keywords terminal kermit unix lines reply brian anderson organization electrical computer engineering carnegie mellon distribution attempting transfer files home computer running windows terminal workstation school file transfer protocol home kermit binary files running kermit workstation school setting file transfer protocol binary unable upload files school download files school home download terminal displays ther retrying message times message verify correct protocol ideas mail post group advance brian anderson pens make 
order files written exitting windows organization world public access unix brookline lines article hayesj colorado hayes james michael writes point hardware problem disk maxtor group files corrupted regular basis drive corrupt file year control winword disk access smartdrive installation dblspace problem turned annoyance reason murder fastopen disable problems fastopen corrupting weird things including windows permanent swap file frequent files corrupted files thing written exitting windows advanced personal measure tells accessed shell shareware utilities compatable spinrite paladin 
diamond organization cdnswc naval ship systems phila lines bunch problems opening window desktop occasionally result windows blowing horizontal lines hashing entire desktop recover completely exit windows irritating problem windows scroll overwrite lines scrolling printed happen communications programs nail note comms programs communicating scrolling back capture buffers displaying disk files programs problem prior latest word perfect windows wpwin blow error message cite video driver source problem wpwin dave zimmerman opinions 
searching phonetic font organization institut arbeitsphysiologie dortmund lines searching phonetic truetype font windows mail dipl inform dietmar weidlich ifado ardeystr weidlich phys dortmund dortmund phone koennten eben erledigen 
workspace manager organization zikzak public access unix melbourne australia lines nntp posting host zikzak apana workspace managers windows workspace manager apollo workstations multiple workspaces window bottom screen select workspaces overcomes problem stacks windows open screen spread workspaces independent screens flick advance 
searching phonetic font organization wiskunde informatica amsterdam lines weidlich phys dortmund weidlich writes searching phonetic truetype font windows mail dipl inform dietmar weidlich ifado ardeystr weidlich phys dortmund dortmund phone koennten eben erledigen phonetic font mail advance patrick hudepohl amsterdam netherlands 
windows workgroups workplace flint waters flint waters distribution comp windows apps comp windows misc world organization university wyoming nntp posting host sheriff uwyo lines sounds great works thought ndis wfwg ndis cooperates ndis shim heard fast ndis direct problem workplace drivers umbs hate load drivers make work additional load minimal total worth windows novell released decent novell client share wfwg solution usable 
decompiler lines organization university waterloo subject exist shareware phil trodwell space happy goddam volt cattle rent prod cheap radio hunter thompson 
windows speaker sound driver organization newsreader version lines tony annese claebaur portal wrote article alee alec writes site speaker sound driver sound file claims driver suspicious file file extracting archive extracts file michael groeten michael schaap nederland mscha sherrif dept damn good coffee 
longer filenames organization mind lines mailer tmail version lhighley idbsu larry paul highley wrote utility filenames longer standard format email mail howard hfeldman howard feldman mind 
mouse windows applications windows organization university colorado boulder lines kasajian kenneth kasajian writes wnkretz energietechnik stuttgart oliver kretzschmar writes work mouse windows application runs window windows clipper applications exists routines mail informations efforts oliver kretzschmar inst university stuttgart phone pfaffenwaldring stuttgart email wnkretz energietechnik stuttgart simple mouse mouse loaded windows note files loaded mouse windows addition applies microsoft mouse work windowed apps driver windows version reason 
cool files organization university virginia distribution lines work uudecode input file error picture casey 
hard drive compression stacker superstor summary comparsions hard drive compression utilitys keywords stacker superstor doubledisk doublespace article news distribution comp windows comp windows apps organization university illinois urbana lines wondering knew hard drive compression utilities work hard drive full intrested speed ease amount compression aspect important things morgan bullard uiuc mjbb uiuc 
mouse windows applications windows nntp posting host tridom reply tridom organization tridom lines article colorado gonzaled colorado writes kasajian kenneth kasajian writes wnkretz energietechnik stuttgart oliver kretzschmar writes work mouse windows application runs window windows clipper applications exists routines mail informations efforts oliver kretzschmar inst university stuttgart phone pfaffenwaldring stuttgart email wnkretz energietechnik stuttgart simple mouse mouse loaded windows note files loaded mouse windows addition applies microsoft mouse work windowed apps driver windows version reason find microsoft mouse driver windows installation disks version mouse stephen thomas tridom email tridom attmail tridom 
mouse jumpy mouse organization fine arts communications brigham young university microsoft serial mouse mouse switched vertical motion nice smooth horizontal motion click mouse jumps moving mouse uniform motion mouse move smoothly jump move smoothly jump time left inch crazy trouble mouse solutions microsoft venting steam sean eckton computer support representative college fine arts communications hfac brigham young university provo hfac ecktons 
windows access blind organization computer consoles rochester developing windows based product full screen window display rows textual data product microsoft windows enable blind individuals access data efficiently quickly email responses post summary group john bruno 
windows access blind lines nntp posting host mtrottie organization energy mines resources canada article john bruno writes john bruno subject windows access blind date developing windows based product full screen window display rows textual data product microsoft windows enable blind individuals access data efficiently quickly email responses post summary group john bruno apparently microsoft product braille suppose wytiwig offense marc trottier mtrottie 
postscript file viewer bmartin organization canada nntp posting host nntp posting user bmartin lines worker mine convert postscript file form readable ascii windows utility vague memory shareware utility mentioned info barry 
printer driver nntp posting host bode ualberta organization university alberta edmonton canada lines itoh printer driver windows happen find beast advance jerry signature 
printer driver nntp posting host bode ualberta organization university alberta edmonton canada lines jeremi ualberta william jeremiah writes itoh printer driver windows happen find beast slight clarification printer driver itoh lips laser printer advance jerry signature 
diamond reply organization metaphase technology lines article zimm navsses navy writes bunch problems opening window desktop occasionally result windows blowing horizontal lines hashing entire desktop recover completely exit windows irritating problem windows scroll overwrite lines posted similar query replies testing good turn hardware scrolling windows xmode scrolloff file window emulate text mode latest drivers diamond cica dates steve chesney metaphase technology voice north lexington avenue arden hills 
mouse windows applications windows nntp posting host ravel udel organization university delaware lines article gonzaled colorado writes addition applies microsoft mouse work windowed apps driver windows version reason logitech rodents lmouse driver windows video driver supports mouse supervga windows support color drivers lucky manufacturer video card driver compatable support mouse steve stephen guerke coord computer resources sguerke udel university delaware parallel program stephen guerke udel georgetown udel 
hold control window object nntp posting host maccs dcss mcmaster organization mcmaster university hamilton ontario lines hope group objectwindows version date processed window object invoking window object calling program control window object executing statement source code class mywindow public twindow void mycallingprog calling program function mywindow mywinobj mywinobj mywindow getapplication makewindow mywinobj mywinobj show shownormal statement program wait mywinobj closed data back mywinobj window style popupwindow execute window object calling program give control appreciated talk lord windows 
telix problem article tsegw organization toronto stock exchange lines dericks nodak dale erickson writes telix kermit telix exiting windows telix find serial port ideas solve problem find information send email send news group define serial ports windows control panel ports options dale erickson dericks nodak mattias mattias hembruch views necessarily reflect mail mhembruc 
midi files soundblaster article medtron organization medtronic lines nntp posting host bhutan inst medtronic newsreader version cybard dudek buffalo wrote computer soundblaster card running microsoft windows driver properly play normal sounds files play midi files media player included windows patch maps midi mapper control panel midi feet windows play midi files install soundblaster windows drivers correctly latest drivers media player setup play files authored microsoft multimedia midi authoring standard general midi section back voyetra manual soundblaster midi upgrade find midi files exist kinds mappings expect sound correct kind midi file editor voyetra sequencer attempt midi mapper remap patches soundblaster modify sbfm allways stuck instruments driver find editor making modifications instrument settings sbfm suggest locate early version soundblaster drivers mapped voices drivers mapped general midi voices david thomas dudek pwxs bitnet cybard state university dudek acsu buffalo york music food love buffalo play shakespeare 
trumpet windows news readers article mizar organization university southern california angeles lines nntp posting host mizar site trumpet wuarchive umich beaten path malcolm 
wanted sample source editing controls organization olivetti cupertino lines distribution nntp posting host todi olivetti program source code started simple editor similar windows dialog editor simplified point source programming windows book program windows microsoft borland greatly able place edit control combobox listbox window able drag resize written similar program mind sharing code ideas thnx advance manu send directly manu olivetti 
speeding windows keywords speed organization university toronto erindale campus lines article djserian lakeheadu reincarnation elvis writes megs memory noticed programs wpfw corel draw computer boggs sluggish increase performance turn loading wallpapers stuff running speed windows programs advance derek defraging disk speed things megs smartdrv good idea amount memory fastdisk access hope 
windows disk drive test availabel nntp posting host rintintin colorado organization university colorado boulder lines freeware hard drive utility handle compressed drive screwwing document occasional failures reading writing check integrity disk hardware sectors problems windows isolated drive occasional corrupted files smartdrive access turned problems drive drive failure file control winword drive utilities report problems symptom forever kicked suspension till times mike hayes knowledge good faber college motto knowledge thoroughness rensselear poly motto unemployed tech groucho marx races driven banging head engineering physics years 
canon bubblejet deskjet keywords printer organization cornell university lines article kayman stanford robert kayman writes fellow netters collected wisdom decide printer purchase canon bubblejet deskjet thought trust salesperson benefit relying printers daily fullest potential figure benefits pitfalls salesperson greatly information render canon bubblejet hewlett packard deskjet faster noticeable print quality difference graphics handle large documents pages personal experience appreciated works windows driver problems cost memory font packages toner cartridges basically personal experiences machines highly desirable good advance kudos input mail news posting readily acceptable mail encouraged limits bandwidth sincerely robert kayman kayman stanford stanford theory theory practice practice revised revision original revised revision revised followup couldn email addresses decide printers hear users printers questions randy randy cornell 
moving icons article organization university canberra lines article rutgers viamar kmembry writes remember reading program made windows icons mouse moved program location cica file frite find icons directory cica line description afflict icons cursorphobia paul blackman canberra water research centre canberra faculty applied science university canberra australia spend love high lenny kravitz 
workspace manager organization university canberra lines article jamie apana jamie scuglia writes workspace managers windows workshift karl thoreddson latest version cica desktop directory wrksft workshift graphical virtual desktop email karl version karl email karlth write file beta tester workshift good gain remember workshifts workspaces windows sessions advance paul blackman canberra water research centre canberra faculty applied science university canberra australia spend love high lenny kravitz 
canon bubblejet deskjet keywords printer article reply tittle cindy tittle moore organization dept irvine lines nntp posting host alexandre dumas edited newsgroup line crosspost compare recently deskjet pleased output remember imagens laser postscript printers school good careful touching smudge deskjet slow comparison printers mentioned idea bubblejet compares interface printer dandy problems hope helps cindy cindy tittle moore internet tittle bitnet cltittle bitnet uucp ucbvax ucivax tittle usnail irvine 
environment space running files windows article venice organization systems engineering development division carson lines file windows icon file file exclusive mode entire screen line file sets environment variable problem machines running windows enhanced mode command file fails environment space error raised amount environment space bytes shell command config running click icon create bunch environment varibles shell problem machines setting environment variable file fails behavior place fail configure environment space lance internet sedd systems engineering development phone carson 
people machine distribution organization georgia institute technology lines bitnet mark woodruff writes people sharing machine separate environments windows setting things separate desktops directories ideally totally separate virtual machines settle batch files copy files depending machine partly config autoexec commands user select menu option bootup autoexec copy system files change directories exit windows copy back generic files programs person custom config autoexec greg williams georgia institute technology atlanta georgia uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism internet gatech 
organization texas university academic computing services lines distribution world nntp posting host zeus tamu news software vnews problem thought gals running windows application command conventional memory upper level memory memory load device drivers upper memory memory memory upper memory reply mail tamu bill scrivener time texas university sleep woman matters college station texas time email tamu wake 
trident driver lines article dfeldman uswc uswest david feldman excuse trident based card claims support drivers card drivers diskette windows make drivers diskette configuration dialog suggestion mail dfeldman subject question trident video card latest video driver find driver dated garbo uwasa info mail 
article life hinng organization artificial intelligence lines nntp posting host kauai reply downs nevada message article downs nevada lamont downs writes good diff atmanager turned worth printer technologies fonts fonts font waste system resources service bureau type fonts heard pure hearsay results outputting fonts type good high quality type fonts place print file correct resolution final output device image setter problem fonts windows converted format hinting resulting fonts hinted result work fine device resolution assumed printer driver file generated good printed resolution print attached printer driver printer results good file made printer device resolution image setter results good 
winqvt article lorien distribution organization llnl lines nntp posting host angmar llnl earlier article newsgroup made reference winqvt version realy archie luck typo real printer problem winqvt david fuess center eecs phone 
windows drivers cirrus graphic cards article news organization university delaware lines nntp posting host brahms udel uploaded recent windows drivers cirrus chip based display cards uploads directory cica indiana file recent downloaded cirrus night unable email upload sites local based card bitblaster micron drivers work cards includes drivers found drivers significant improvement version improving graphic winmarks million result intentional benchmark cheating cirrus part steve gibson columnist info world graphic card comparisons found cica site winadv extracted sake comparison wintach winbn word sprsht paint steve system graphics ultra system bitblaster viper hell deal cost card compared cards included gibson review micron system owner interested hear opinions local disk controller system maxtor drive giving disk winmarks good norton sysinfo disk reading contoller intercepts calls program oliver weatherbee oliver 
adaptec scsi device driver organization university computing services lines distribution world nntp posting host jenkinsc orst 
canon bubblejet deskjet keywords printer article organization fine arts communications brigham young university lines nntp posting host deskjet slow comparison printers mentioned idea bubblejet compares interface printer dandy problems bought printer couple days compared sample print deskjet knew pretty fast prints good quality compare laserjet iid postscript identical depending kind paper problems fast canon giving rebate good sean eckton computer support representative college fine arts communications hfac brigham young university provo hfac ecktons 
utility updating system nntp posting host jobe organization portal communications company voice data lines article bailey adrian bailey writes windows built called sysedit windows tony annese claebaur portal claebaur portal 
data corruption organization kansas state university lines nntp posting host matt quit windows special start windows title screen windows background error loading progman progman pull progman backup tape start windows windows title screen windows background error fire good norton disk doctor test lost clusters important remove windows directory reinstall disks fire windows title screen background program manager success svga running special memory managers stuff basic windows permanent swap file access windows time downloading qmodem window open possibly running background noticed started windows months lost clusters common data disappear problem today problems lost clusters running windows problem sleep knowing loosing marbles steven steven marcotte sdoran 
winqvt article biochemi ashok distribution organization cwru school medicine lines nntp posting host slip dialin cwru article dave llnl dave fuess writes earlier article newsgroup made reference winqvt version realy archie luck typo typo uploaded cica indiana couple days back real printer problem winqvt version standard windows printer drivers ashok ashok aiyar mail ashok cwru department biochemistry cwru school medicine cleveland ohio 
cool files article bcstec distribution organization boeing computer services lines james james cummings writes article rwang john wang writes guess subject boring files windows wondering body beautiful file share site files scenery files animals files delete give response kinda wallpaper original called real artist logo lower corner sized color screens windows directory tile hope enjoy begin begin ntreal kkzp bbzx deleted stuff convert 
quick crashes windows reply banko organization university illinois urbana lines quick window windows running compiler general protection fault immediately disk error rebooted found files cross linked pretty corruption hard drive file system concerned quick window strayed protected mode world corrupted smartdrv disk cache caused disk problem thought programs windows pretty contained windows true quick compiler type problem recently upgraded quick brad banko brad banko dept physics illinois banko teach 
turbo visual edition request absolute newbie questions organization iizuka dept japan lines nntp posting host mickey reply wiggins message article wiggins samuel wiggins writes rate borland turbo visual edition windows time discussion asked groups time answers decided brother lives bought good points list turbo pascal programmer make unix exercises university make programs microsoft version party libraries required borland easier microsoft specially debugger learn codeview felt confortable nice create simple apps examples objectwindows book problems lets week complex works nice weak machine manual resource workshop version workshop windows manual itens manual trouble brother present didnt wanted japanese version suspect manuals japanese expensive bought present send registration card japanese branch borland questions microsoft group borland mail address contact technical support stupid questions manual book petzold intend protogen make interfaces work code answers mail comp windows programmer tools advance rafael 
windows access blind organization george washington university lines article mtrottie marc trottier writes article john bruno writes john bruno subject windows access blind date developing windows based product full screen window display rows textual data product microsoft windows enable blind individuals access data efficiently quickly email responses post summary group john bruno apparently microsoft product braille suppose wytiwig offense marc trottier mtrottie micro display fose computers running windows apps blind attention mickey michael panayiotakis louray uunet seas louray make windows file reflect directory wrong 
organization national tsing university hsinchu newsreader version lines minimize program manager starting application restore application ended forever michael jordan tony gtonwu nthu rheology nthu tony nthu 
disappearing groups organization university british columbia vancouver canada lines distribution world nntp posting host unixg salutations subscribe newsgroups possibly mail answer problem windows buying winter annoying groups program manager everytime install makes group promptly disappears turn windows happened installed excel winfax created groups turned windows reran manually pull items previously existing group gropus disappear turn windows precision megs trident windows running colour mode logitech mouseman advance emile ewoo emile student representative senate unavailable holding internet ewoo referendum decide politic ally correct witticism 
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vfintd windows organization mcgv stack eindhoven university technology netherlands lines nntp posting host blade stack newsreader version peter wrote vfintd device windows section device vfintd norton desktop windows includes file file mentioned floppy disk access jeroen gremmen email jeroeng stack gildelaan phone modem pleez hilvarenbeek 
mouse windows organization dept chemical engineering texas university lines distribution world reply tamu nntp posting host chensun tamu article kasajian kenneth kasajian writes wnkretz energietechnik stuttgart oliver kretzschmar writes work mouse windows application runs window windows clipper applications exists routines mail informations efforts oliver kretzschmar inst university stuttgart phone pfaffenwaldring stuttgart email wnkretz energietechnik stuttgart simple mouse mouse loaded windows note files loaded mouse windows video driver completely windows compatible mouse driver completely compatible simple logitech mouse work window paradise card diamond mouse drivers works perfectly steven 
grey scale windows organization motorola european cellular infrastructure division lines distribution world reply marshalk berkeley kevin marshall nntp posting host mercury swindon rtsg kevin marshall operational support motorola ecid swindon mail marshalk phone international domestic 
workspace managers small review organization zikzak public access unix melbourne australia lines nntp posting host zikzak apana people recommended workspace managers windows found shareware workspace managers australia windows archive monu monash mirrors sites found workspaces wspace smallest simplest workspace managers found easy displays small window buttons extra button configuration purposes annoying feature title window presented press mouse button thing nice setting window workspace buttons user strings buttons numbers nice feature simplicity ease workspace manager makes attractive package workshift wrksft workspace manager offered features workspaces lacked time consuming things workspaces workspace initially empty workshift snapshots workspaces applications main window large small view workspace workspaces facility viewing workspace switching workshift viewing functionality bigdesk backmenu backdesk interesting package goodies workspace manager goodies include backmenu root menu press mouse button windows menu totally configurable offering unlimited depth cascading menus handy access applications menu based alternative program manager bundled backdesk program called wrun windows applications shell windows file manager applications actual workspace manager called bigdesk bigdesk works differently workspace managers provide number disjoint separate workspaces fact basically enlarges desktop configurable amount choose region desktop screen focus means windows overlapping viewing regions unlike workspace managers workspace isolated bigdesk control window move windows enlarged desktop basically control window small scale view viewing area actual computer screen large scale blow section impressed find suits 
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dmqs files catseye extra modes news software vishnepolsky rogers lines reply kaul disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host kaul bocaraton organization watson research note followups comp misc dmqs files describe monitors valid modes windows files unsupported files post personal time time post signature demand requests additional dmqs files collected files function latest revision drivers files work windows drivers general public time files function recent beta worked files fully tested files unsupported represent personal collection resembling officially supported standard disclaimer point facts files adapter spec stress card result incorrect operation shorter life short depends spec boom files adapter region spec monitor resulting damage monitor knowledgable monitor adapter ability mode select files represents hacking true sense practice safe computing play risks knowledgable feel uncomfortable warnings dmqs files wait releases official tested dmqs files aware warning files files unsupported invalidate warrenty fully tested monitors installation unpack dmqspath environment variable dmqs methods installation diskette change adapter settings packing files packed latest infozip utility pkzip infozip utilities submitting feel free send uuencoded versions favorite dmqs files favorite monitors interested collecting archive files uploaded nmsu uploads dmqs begin dmqs jthk gkns wroyh qago jtbl zjnjkjn iubk swjze iohu cmwl hhnwc gbhghxh zfmg acpp yswj uvav dkni lvoemn nned lyygw ktriom sxwz qnbncb mqfa npvau mfxr qqkq igdapi fgen ypwr ettblmv jrzk vkuevg zdnj idrv mgxu cxqs jgzj qzzo vunma jknv zznowu mgwh bazj kuzrk lndj caxgcs mhnz rbon rtcw zcti lfzzl uiwml hrhg kcgh yuzt jmta qecoj gpbb gqiqkjc meck odcgd letga egulnk urzs jkjiuv zczh iojqzg osvv eqic ksicp ktquhkxdm lxnn tgxu fnikjf mtiu xkjqy jnxn zwow ebdf omcage mofh aftb ctub ojnr ilgk nnzy nduv vpnxz nleudnlvzq nosj iivy gytj ujpi rdrt jgqbe jatg vguw uwkst astt zbpi rxox dakr ygvl npvv ydogyrk afos vzzu pkme btwt ctdtzv vsdvv wxdq qggm gvwdifcn eunyn dylu jgbeiuzwiy gegd gaqc anlk dwwue rxhu kojzzau ubojax vqmy kqxu lcrw mfpiy uuzi gyqk etsuh vjuw njszo gtej john jmew giccw jzjojky zgnj zkoj rmeweb wpci cpye zagjt vhvv oisy uqyk fwhw sfnzcgf ohwz vewdj csgu ieyzf huzku vgzlc muvz byrr kmxozn kmmgt rxbi xekv ljeizaw sngi azbgj mofl vcmxw xunfwt lrbv hbbmq fxrww xektx ryjle rcjb pbnp aanp kqmx mqig vnmy mhicm qjwuy bily jhrl cfcy jggx iaiyzf rzdv znwp mipot gbxn tmsbjo uvbvz fnjo fsyk gkup rljry mnaazaw arqz mbud bfqp jnmnbns brgza grkmk apsu hzrc kjuufu vghtlv hazb unoa mznw fvzuz hlok gniqz joiyzdgj mvzwz gucxi nmmdfy uvwi bckl mpoh snwwtnuykz vxya egrp htgx bazit inbvrvz degw hazf wvzx bbay myguiwz ewhl zdkh hkllnfmc ugtj uqzj rnkam awfg uktgwxrm muos izszw yyjsz hmni hthfwgvrlrnf zbwheq lrbqzc icybuko zaoy rhhlmjphny xxtv moiizbgj ucxk oycl winbvrvzg lrbqzc icyluco sznh cbay vrnw mioy qrkf deoi zbgj dick kaul opinions official positions offers visual subsystems data speak boca raton make wear suit kaul beware programmers carrying screwdrivers 
utility expand file descriptions directory listing organization naval ocean systems center diego lines windows utility give listing files directory display description file utility enter edit file descriptions length small window scroll able browse directories able file open execute beast write barrus barrus 
info books bios organization rutgers univ brunswick lines interested topics bios programming memory management developing visual basic custom controls valuable opinion books topics send mail rmehta rutgers post summary suggestions advance rahul mehta 
sigma designs video sound card srini tisl ukans srini seetharam reply srini tisl ukans srini seetharam distribution world organization elec comp univ kansas nntp posting host morse tisl ukans originator srini lines sigma designs video sound card model called storm model legend info performance compatibility problems encountered appreciated srini seetharam 
program manager questions organization vpnet public access lines change icons program groups give individuality short return program manager avoid task list back welcomed stamp stupid signature files gerry swetsky vpnet public access unix usenet home vpnet lisbon 
questions organization california polytechnic state university luis obispo distribution lines based good ratings impressed performance mill supposed comparable trident unaccelerated performance winspeed good great viewer cica work greg gregory king quality life aeronautical engineering directly proportional poly fast drive 
canon bubblejet deskjet nntp posting host alexandre dumas reply tittle cindy tittle moore organization dept irvine keywords printer lines ecktons sean eckton writes deskjet slow comparison printers mentioned idea bubblejet compares interface printer dandy problems bought printer couple days compared sample print deskjet knew pretty fast prints good quality compare laserjet iid postscript identical depending kind paper problems fast canon giving rebate good mine deciding factor cindy cindy tittle moore internet tittle bitnet cltittle bitnet uucp ucbvax ucivax tittle usnail irvine 
program manager questions nntp posting host reply bsteinke bruce steinke organization evans sutherland computer corp salt lake city lines article lisbon gerry swetsky writes change icons program groups give individuality short return program manager avoid task list back plugin enhancement program manager give registered found cica indiana util plugin bruce bruce steinke bsteinke good piece rope software technical support engineer gamgee evans sutherland computer corp 
trident drivers organization socs mcgill university montreal canada lines trident tvga video card updated drivers site 
diamond organization odetics anaheim lines article admin dave laudicina writes experienced faint shadow resolutions card windows replaced card waiting latest drivers experienced general protection fault errors wspdpsf winword tools option menu winfax setup exact failure word windows quick call microsoft problem drivers call diamond drivers version fixes problem versions unaware dale pischke dale uunet odetics dale senior software engineer odetics gyyr division 
tidying removing server keywords spss nntp posting host chad organization university liverpool newsreader version lines installed spss windows part evaluation evaluation complete duly deleted software ghost spss left write embed object spss chart appears list objects offered looked obvious files success thing string spss chart file windows directory turned file called file binary feel inclined edit solution removing spss list servers chris wooff wooff 
file manager problem organization university illinois urbana lines start file manager status displayed selected options menu deselect select appears ideas happening mike 
disappearing groups nntp posting host kurt ewoo organization school computer science carnegie mellon lines article ewoo emile writes program manager everytime install makes group promptly disappears turn windows check file created windows directory turning computer windows running closing program manager ekkehard 
list favorite windows goodies organization netcom line communication services guest lines maintaining list favorite shareware public domain windows software lists msdos light windows stuff david arnstein international imaging systems arnstein 
apps window distribution world organization sigma press reply jason demon mailer simple news lines purchased apps text mode apps window mucking settings avail wrong problem advance jason 
originator austin organization austin lines article ntaib indiana iskandar taib writes article reimert etdesg scott reimert writes thread windows multi user multi threading case seperate accounts person seperate directories desired implentation simultaneuos running network slow fair amount expect windows multiuser sense sharing filesystems write telnetd character based apps graphics based apps shared running executables local things shaping client server architectures taking terminal setups note telnet character based apps yeah windows impressed iskandar taib thing worse peach internet ntaib indiana frog frog peach bitnet ntaib read electronic magazine hoopla thing multi user supports user time support multiple clients actual user mileage vary posting represent opinions employers afraid leave store 
diamond reply organization metaphase technology lines article dale dale pischke writes article admin dave laudicina writes experienced faint shadow resolutions card windows replaced card waiting latest drivers experienced general protection fault errors wspdpsf winword tools option menu winfax setup exact failure word windows quick call microsoft problem drivers call diamond drivers version fixes problem versions unaware version drivers current steve chesney metaphase technology voice north lexington avenue arden hills 
mewin latex organization computer science department stanford university lines posted apps group response latex feature emacs windows read separate latexhlp file file convert windows found files command work steve herrod 
mouse jumpy mouse organization comprehensive technologies lines ecktons sean eckton writes microsoft serial mouse mouse switched vertical motion nice smooth horizontal motion click mouse jumps moving mouse uniform motion mouse move smoothly jump move smoothly jump time left inch crazy trouble mouse solutions microsoft sean eckton computer support representative college fine arts communications hfac brigham young university provo hfac ecktons signoff russ lister rlister connected systen uunet rlister comprehensive technologies arlington 
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windows sound system text speach hadam organization systems corporation nntp posting host bcsc lines news group users software text speach sound blaster adam hadam 
simple windows question organization state university york albany lines nice easy question running windows lose ability print screen problem running windows relavant quarterdeck expanded memory manager mail responses read news advance albany bitnet heavy home 
winqvtnet ndis token ring lines article thomas writes article wimvh kuleuven holder writes winqvt machine ndis connect token ring older versions class error attempting program packet driver ndis driver people told dispkt packets incompatible true thomas beagle thomas work technical writer thomas welly home wellington hound hire work biscuits holder katholieke universiteit leuven departement dekenstraat leuven mail wimvh kuleuven belgium fdbaq kuleuven 
display software hadam organization systems corporation nntp posting host bcsc lines shareware freeware software lets display files windows reply appreciated adam hadam 
environment space running files windows organization aspen technology group mailer uupc bsnews modified lines file windows icon file file exclusive mode entire screen line file sets environment variable problem machines running windows enhanced mode command file fails environment space error raised amount environment space bytes shell command config running windows resource toolkit workgroups entry system file nonwindowsapp section commandenvsize nn sets command size nn disables setting small rounded current size actual environment setting disabled environment size file command setting overrides setting default msdos versions earlier default option shell command config edit system reboot entry relied default config shell line give larger environments environment passed windows bigger environment variables present windows started matter windows starts truncates unused space bytes batch file mileage vary jerome jerry schneider domain aspen technology group uucp uunet atglab collins voice 
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cool files organization george washington university distribution lines begin begin ntreal kkzp bbzx deleted stuff convert supposed delete mark lower mark uudecode able unexpected file encountered line post wrong mickey michael panayiotakis louray uunet seas louray make windows file reflect directory wrong 
beta testers required winsock version windows trumpet organization psychology department university tasmania lines contact details peter psychol utas peter tattam international phone programmer psychology department australia phone university tasmania hobart tasmania australia 
canon bubblejet deskjet keywords printer organization university notre dame lines article kayman stanford robert kayman writes kayman stanford robert kayman subject canon bubblejet deskjet keywords printer date fellow netters collected wisdom decide printer purchase canon bubblejet deskjet thought trust salesperson benefit relying printers daily fullest potential figure benefits pitfalls salesperson greatly information render canon bubblejet hewlett packard deskjet faster noticeable print quality difference graphics handle large documents pages personal experience appreciated works windows driver problems cost memory font packages toner cartridges basically personal experiences machines highly desirable good advance kudos input mail news posting readily acceptable mail encouraged limits bandwidth sincerely robert kayman kayman stanford stanford theory theory practice practice revised revision original revised revision revised average salesguy give question shot issue bought drying speed awful hard smear deskjets seconds completely cases pages unlike laser printers material pages toner memory takes print application takes computer solely printing purs kitten puts pages seconds depending detailed graphics windows soft fonts assuming deskjet sell size factor smaller built tank damaged finally print quality love resolution good laser quality print impressive chose canon opinions 
ctix video card drivers windows keywords actix graphics accelerator organization dept electrical engineering university toronto canada lines latest drivers actix graphics accelerator card driver version support colors mode memory support actix unbelievable modem hours download drivers hurts calling long distance site collection video drivers windows card daniel wong uoft wongda eecg toronto electrical engineering 
questions reply kuehnel hannover organization universitaet hannover germany lines article yale adriene nazaretian yale adriene nazaretian writes article tclark thomas clark driver support seamless program support soundblaster scanner tape backup continue work specific drivers hardware compatibility guide answer questions drivers midi sound drivers installed dont sound digitizing platform recall items configuration control panel applet built support tape backup systems problem aware fact scsi windows ordering beta package question driver mitsumi scsi installation place site advance stefan kuehnel stefan uhnel kuehnel hannover kuehnel hannover oben wiedergegebene meinung meine private nicht rrzn oder einer anderen institution 
trident drivers lines article bjcon mcgill brendan newman trident tvga video card updated drivers site card tvga checked latest driver windows dated garbo uwasa drivers video find version updated azmi 
windows drum machine organization wisconsin madison college engineering lines drum program work downloaded cica indiana sounds directory called drum stereo card latest windows drivers installed drum program reports midi device installed drivers utility control panel reports installed idea midi device drum program work setup computer metronome suggested drum machines circulating appreciated terry terryh wisc 
redirect print manager file organization national chiao tung university newsreader version lines find shareware capture windows output printer mananger capture output laser postscript setup print file redirect program work windows thankx internet address nctu english erik wang chinese wang shyang national chiao tung university taiwan 
workgroup questions conven licensing summary good choice keywords organization socs mcgill university montreal canada lines article wimsey writes appreciative answer questions windows workgroups novell netware lite work windows conventional memory moving machines conventional driver network card checked files loaded protman bytes driver bytes workgrp bytes novell card drivers needed drivers license check network ensure machine running licenced copy note break license agreement copy machines meets returning opened copy easier returning opened copies bought copies problems installed copie problems worry bios problem upgrade windows replace install depend current files replace older files prompt install windows server troubles machines started message questions carried stop forward replies hope helps 
simple windows question organization lines article albany diamond writes running windows lose ability print screen problem running windows open file editor click advanced button reserve prtsc application keys select section passed application processed windows nichols bell laboratories rnichols 
overlapped window title organization olivetti cupertino lines distribution nntp posting host todi olivetti simple question create overlapped thickframe window title overlapped thickframe caption able title question overlapped window child windows window shows children fine create child thickframe style siblings style thickframe resize make child siblings setwindowpos bringwindowtotop success happening resizing shows behild siblings greatly appreciated manu mail manu olivetti 
comm drivers replacements question organization arizona dept tucson lines experience replacement comm driver windows called turbocomm read pcmag interested shell bucks company supposedly eleminates problems occur high speed file transfer disk access made program running time cons product inter ested hear email address give matthew gibson gibsonm arizona 
file manager problem reply carleton mark waschkowski organization national capital freenet lines previous article uiuc michael whitchurch start file manager status displayed selected options menu deselect select appears ideas happening winfile corrupted unknown reason creating exiting filemanager save setting option status visible double clicking control menu minimize maximize proper work delete winfile saving procedures totally recreate file scratch good luck mark waschkowski 
canon bubblejet deskjet organization hewlett packard newsreader lines thomas fellrath wrote issue bought drying speed awful hard smear deskjets seconds completely cases pages unlike laser printers material pages toner deskjet family water fast 
trumpet windows news readers lines article ashok cwru ashok aiyar writes article wimvh kuleuven holder writes status trumpet windows windows sockets abandon started ndis access token ring results invalid class error speak peter tattam fairly planning winsock compliant version make initial public release wintrumpet follow shortly wintrumpet late beta excellent product features version wintrumpet supports trumpet novell direct packet driver version people shim ashok ashok wintrumpet anonymous james garven dept finance voice graduate school business university texas internet jgarven utexas austin bitnet garven bitnet education hanging caught robert frost 
changing system fonts nntp posting host ravel udel organization university delaware lines change system fonts windows program generate system fonts truetype wondering problem system fonts change icon text color icon text black change find options control panel brad cain brad udel brad udel brad cain cain white udel university delaware electrical engineering cain udel blah blah blah blah 
tidying removing server keywords spss organization world public access unix brookline lines article chris wooff writes installed spss windows part evaluation evaluation complete duly deleted software ghost spss left write embed object spss chart appears list objects offered looked obvious files success thing string spss chart file windows directory turned file called file binary feel inclined edit solution removing spss list servers regedit make registration database program manager file manager choose type regedit included windows documented paladin 
apps window organization world public access unix brookline lines article jason demon writes purchased apps text mode apps window mucking settings avail wrong problem running enhanced mode windows takes memory 
pproach windows organization emory university atlanta lines newsreader article crossposted comp windows apps author richard timmer posted winnetters great deal discussion relative merits access borland paradox users experience database package called approach number good reviews mags require hardware overhead paradox ruled access aspects extremely intuitive requiring field paradox resource requirements greater provide thoughts approach good richard timmer 
mouse windows organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet martin linsenbigler nntp posting host hela cwru previous article jpaparel ulowell joseph paparella pursued researched question month requirements long short windows mouse drivers accept mice special drivers talked mouse systems driver support claim releasing alternative case prohibitively expensive port card author powerbbs windows claim port serial card buffered uarts drivers windows match paragraph hearsay checked intend free hope save steps problem loaded windows card parrelel serial mouse external modem game port problem enters darn serial ports selection settings stuck good card lousy serial called microsoft places long short windows mouse selection bought small card parrelel serial active ports half card mouse external modem disabled interupt scanner card artin communication artin university arizona tucson freenet mlinsenb arizona mlinsenb death dead years follow king kings 
word byte reply mlin intel organization workgroup computing division intel lines moved borland visual today compile program complained function prototype problem turned typedef word byte unsigned shine light subject word byte ming mlin intel 
winnls organization university massachusetts amherst lines distribution world nntp posting host deimos umass news reader news install foreign language windows application required file named winnls checked windows installation disks file find idea file 
canon buble printer organization lehigh university lines canon cheapest price advance 
sale harvard graphics windows keywords harvard graphics sale organization xerox parc distribution lines sale brand shrinkwrapped harvard graphics windows list price cheapest pince computer shopper mail order price slick package bike race return credit dilemma fire sale peter tapscott xerox palo alto research center internet tapscott adoc tapscott parc xerox 
trident driver wanted keywords trident driver organization info proc umea univ sweden lines trident driver windows anywere mode supported drivers able find windows means wide high opposed appreciated peter vestman computing science university umea sweden 
winqvt organization michigan state university chemistry department lansing lines nntp posting host exciton article ashok cwru ashok aiyar writes article dave llnl dave fuess writes earlier article newsgroup made reference winqvt version realy archie luck typo typo uploaded cica indiana couple days back real printer problem winqvt version standard windows printer drivers ashok uploads directory qvtnet note email address carter carter michigan state university carter bitnet chemistry department 
exit codes wrong group organization monash university melb australia lines article louray michael panayiotakis writes post question windows group kinda hurry scramble find groups names ccan find exit codes commands alternatives write small program system command display exit code command command built move command program exist code exec function echo command display exit code command worth buying qemm pctools norton move utility manual copy order make move batch file file wasn coppied properly deleted mail louray mickey michael panayiotakis louray uunet seas louray make windows file reflect directory wrong agus budy wuysang digitech student monash university clayton melbourne australia 
cool files organization world public access unix brookline distribution lines article louray michael panayiotakis writes begin begin ntreal kkzp bbzx deleted stuff convert supposed delete mark lower mark uudecode able unexpected file encountered line post wrong sounds original poster bitmap uuencoded file machine uudecode machine uudecode program balked carraige returns 
program manager kills group files organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex clue times enter progman rebuild group annoying 
hold control window object keywords objectwindows windows nntp posting host maccs dcss mcmaster organization department computer science mcmaster university distribution comp windows misc comp windows lines objectwindows version data processed window object calling program invokes window object control window object executing statement calling program invoking window object wait window object closed program class mywindow public twindow void mycallingprog calling program function mywindow mywinobj mywinobj mywindow getapplication makewindow mywinobj mywinobj show shownormal statement program wait mywinobj closed data back mywinobj window style popupwindow execute window object calling program give control appreciated talk lord windows 
overlapped window title organization netcom line communication services guest distribution lines article manu olivetti manu overlapped window child windows window shows children fine create child thickframe style siblings style thickframe resize make child siblings setwindowpos bringwindowtotop success happening resizing shows behild siblings window probobly lower windows drawing clipsibling lower siblings drawing sibling space ekalenda 
longer filenames maystonr richard mayston distribution world organization industrial research zealand nntp posting host rmayston grace lines article hfeldman howard mitchell feldman writes lhighley idbsu larry paul highley wrote utility filenames longer standard format called 
organization nova university fort lauderdale lines rnichols robert nichols writes truetype font files larger type equivalents disk compressor aware truetype fonts compress type fonts encrypted true true truetype fonts larger counterparts fonts minimal compression running stacker report generator file type compression ratio truetype metric metric files small compress largely regular files compression math comparitive font file times bytes bytes compressed times bytes bytes compressed times font compressed mileage vary depending compression program heroes fast john grohol expect time center psychological studies equivocate past nova univ lauderdale suzanne vega grohol nova 
beta testers required winsock version windows trumpet organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply cwru ashok aiyar nntp posting host cwru previous article peter psychol utas peter tattam contact details peter psychol utas peter posted behalf peter tattam north american mirror beta test version wintrumpet winsock contact peter details ashok ashok aiyar department biochemistry cwru cwru internet access telnet cleveland contact info telnet wariat wariat login dial 
refresh internet access compuserve nntp posting host solomon technet organization technet singapore lines discussions gaining compuserve access internet misplace articles refresh site telnet gain access download files arthur email arthur 
hate make decision organization national tsing university hsinchu newsreader version lines hate make decision recently choose stacker double space poor windwos hope choose live windows appreciated forever michael jordan tony gtonwu nthu rheology nthu tony nthu 
fast windows video card info needed organization college engineering univ wisconsin madison lines diamond stealth vram satisfied performance windows games higher frame rates strike commander stealth vram give dbench winmark million replace card perform approx current vram windows perform preferably dbench benchmark list compiled csipg looked speedstar orchid prodesigner ware fastest local motherboard give winmarks cards processor type worthiest necessarily fastest card recommendation welcomed card cheapest advance folks martin 
cica mirror organization cornell info tech lines wuarchive wustl mirrors directory 
hate make decision organization stanford university lines article gtonwu nthu tony writes hate make decision recently choose stacker double space poor windwos hope choose live windows appreciated forever michael jordan tony gtonwu nthu rheology nthu tony nthu stacker achieves compression ratio virus detection memory manager multiple booting good qemm ndos opinion package nice installed stuffs work rensheng horng 
bernoulli drives disks organization applied physics laboratory lines nilayp berkeley nilay patel writes bernoulli removable tapes drive laugh tapes lying mail nilay patel nilayp berkeley disks tapes forgot newer work nathan moore johns hopkins university applied physics laboratory ncmoore jhuapl note address email replies 
cool files aengus lawlor distribution organization rohm haas company lines article paladin thomas schlatter article louray michael panayiotakis writes begin begin ntreal kkzp bbzx deleted stuff convert supposed delete mark lower mark uudecode able unexpected file encountered line post wrong sounds original poster bitmap uuencoded file machine uudecode machine uudecode program balked carraige returns newsreader shows file lots spaces means broken download uudecode successfully aengus rbyaml aengus lawlor rbyaml bitnet alawlor famous dublin barman sparkling 
bigger window headings lines bigger raster fonts monitor diamond mode prefer larger characters windows heading practically character sets mark idea difference 
soundblaster drivers organization williams college williamstown lines nntp posting host hancock williams drivers windows soundblaster drivers sufficient info greg ennis williams 
question localtalk appleshare system summary make appleshare properly windows originator news keywords windows appleshare localtalk nntp posting host hotlips princeton organization princeton university lines running system localtalk board appletalk network hooked daystar digital localtalk interface board running model appleshare software file server network access works fine window load windows application access machine crashes hard start application things pretty hopeless experience bizarre obsolete setup duncan duncans princeton 
msaccess communications organization department computing imperial college university london lines nntp posting host swan couple weeks posted question communicating msaccess answers received time allowed prototype project working process problems limit characters topic string inherent systems peculiar msaccess easy query access database command provided limitation overcome short field table names meant update database update command work initiating access macro execute command macro requests information channel programs dead lock time outs occur access channel close access channel initiated guess access poke information eventually managed update database sending strokes access sendkeys command technique problem access minimised state ready respond sequence strokes sends statements correct made incorrect assumptions work arounds signs odbc driver access 
video cards connectors organization university kentucky lines recently bought order highest quality refresh rates accelerator cards connectors opposed usual connector information mike mills mail rutgers uunet ukma math sciences dept mike work home 
object appears thrice summary editing embedding leaving entry organization george washington university lines equation editor automagically object dialog insert object equation decided manually place embedding section added equation equation equation picture work quit windows back mistake correct fine start windows doesn work play point entries works finally work thing item list equation entried working entry netian wrong correct make equation entries embedding obvious executable picture withthe appears picture description soundrec sound sound whate difference sound soundrec executable entries msworkschart aren mickey michael panayiotakis louray uunet seas louray make windows file reflect directory wrong 
realizing colours setting automatically organization george washington university lines mornin wonderin screenpeace screensaver good problem option realize colour table switched wallpapers colours ucked screensavers flashlight turn works faster nice turn time start windows setting file save settings exit selected manually changing setting file realize colour table started windows fine session session turn option adding read attribute file worked bitmap wallpaper saver work application anywya work change setting file answers suggesions comments mickey michael panayiotakis louray uunet seas louray make windows file reflect directory wrong 
program manager questions organization road systems cleveland ohio lines article lisbon gerry swetsky writes change icons program groups give individuality icons program groups icons individual programs program groups assume answer click double application icon file properties click change icon icon filename browse selection short return program manager avoid task list back hold repeatedly press program mangler release stan brown road systems brown english native language love easy learn makes sense baseline rhyme vaseline 
winword spelling dictionaries english organization road systems cleveland ohio lines word windows lets designate text language english format language recall mark english accepts rumor squawks rumour microsoft include english dictionary disks imply singled assume dialed microsoft word windows section looked helpful obtain spelling dictionary winword file spell similar email post summary stan brown road systems brown english native language love easy learn makes sense baseline rhyme vaseline 
mouse jumpy mouse organization wiskunde informatica amsterdam lines ecktons sean eckton writes microsoft serial mouse mouse switched vertical motion nice smooth horizontal motion click mouse jumps moving mouse uniform motion mouse move smoothly jump move smoothly jump time left inch crazy trouble mouse solutions microsoft venting steam problem caused rubber ball mouse roll smooth detectors mouse notice whoops mine minesweeper solution buying mouse mouse wouter 
diamond organization michigan state university lines nntp posting host horus article admin dave laudicina experienced faint shadow resolutions card windows replaced card waiting latest drivers experienced general protection fault errors wspdpsf winword tools option menu winfax setup ultra genral protection fault errors spss application card manufactures terrible quality control products market bugs hassle running gateway dave drivers version earlier latest snailmail fixes problem reason wanted reply public private mail talked tech support days told expect version month problem switching back session standard mode apparently problem surprised standard mode great card price bought alternatives peng 
winword grammer checker saved liff distribution world organization mantis consultants cambridge lines fire microsoft word windows version type paragraph rite dead good live wonderfully write aids helps impress boss tools options grammar select grammar style rules strictly rules click grammar checker spelling check complaints readability passive sentences flesch reading ease flesch grade level flesch kincaid gunning index malcolm bacchus beer 
visual organization ucllnl lines distribution nntp posting host talon llnl correct considered upgrade basically product windows product windows upgrade separate operating system product line utilities upgrades utilities told upgrade qcwin article hancock fidonet hancock writes understanding visual intended logical upgrade interested find editor true windows love compile times sizes smart linker apps programmers pumping stuff users multitasking afford desqview link party libs easily lots party libs programs lazy interfaces debugger make lots mistakes basi pasal obol blue wave david fuess center eecs phone lawrence livermore national laboratory 
changing startup logo organization express access online communications lines distribution nntp posting host access digex summary changing startup logo installed graphics card bashed windows logo files start windows logo logo thought files controlled windows system vgalogo windows system vgalogo restored files change logo correct files farley digex average calgary board employee 
protection fault summary fault keywords fault organization carleton university distribution lines wondering error message running windows advance 
mouse jumpy mouse nntp posting host pelham organization school medicine lines article rlister russell lister writes ecktons sean eckton writes microsoft serial mouse mouse switched vertical motion nice smooth horizontal motion click mouse jumps moving mouse uniform motion mouse move smoothly jump move smoothly jump time left inch crazy trouble mouse solutions microsoft problem thought video driver made current drivers problem evident svga resolution modes experimentation determined problem existed standard resolution mode noticeable mouse older serial version bought hand worked fine based graphic applications guess problem resolution mouse borrowed mouse model solved problem mouse replacing newer alternative clean mouse rollers inside mouse pick ball lint debris open bottom mouse ball alcohol clean inspect inside hairs fuzz mouse real jumpy cleared problem procedure 
modem download winqvt lines organization chemische institute university bonn modem upload initiated winqvt script file check works registering unfortunatly feature mentioned manual ciao chris 
exit codes wrong group organization fulcrum communications lines internal commands exit code royal pain checks successful deletions suggestion return exit codes move command simon simon rowe srowe fulcrum communications birmingham condition brain overload raised england 
novell organization dept computer science michigan state university lines distribution world nntp posting host walnut originator bilan installed windows workgroups network problems mapping drives file manager situation lastdrive config netx access drive novell lastdrive config access drives file manager make netx work lastdrive statement config easy problem windows guru solved moons bilan department death engineering surgeon general warning michigan state university graduate school brain bilan damage sporadic loss hair 
drivers stealth reply doug uiuc organization university illinois urbana lines recently purchased diamond stealth video card received wrong drivers proper drivers dstlth file cica work video card respond doug uiuc doug ward 
windows locks green lines screen reply branham brandeis organization brandeis university lines memory variety programs problems lock application memory period time playmation rendered locking everytime ultra video modes excluded region video memory segments adjusting swap partion large nonexistant prevent swapping utilities config syus autoexec default program manager disabling dashboard minimal system swap smartdrv windows utilities exclusion video regions locks completely mouse control response finger salute stop standard windows screen simply full reset immediately ideas branham branham brandeis 
refresh internet access compuserve organization georgia state university lines cheong technet scstech admin writes discussions gaining compuserve access internet misplace articles refresh site telnet gain access download files asked twenty times month telnet access compuserve access gopher access internet services mail telnet hermes merit routes sprintnet horrendously expensive gillman systems programmer aagghh wells computer center state univ classic star trek security syshtg officer show care internet 
changing startup logo distribution organization georgia institute technology lines article farley digex charles farley writes installed graphics card bashed windows logo files start windows logo logo thought files controlled windows system vgalogo windows system vgalogo restored files change logo correct files card correct files copy back expect work create file command worry directories file setup copy vgalogo vgalogo grabbed supercharging windows judd robbins great book logo windows startup screen file specially compressed file hope helps brad smalling tech atlanta gatech 
redirect print manager file organization purdue university engineering computer network lines nctu writes program shareware redirect windows output printer manager file capture laser print output postscript setup print file redirect program work windows thankx internet address nctu english erik wang chinese wang shyang national chiao tung university taiwan setting hpii printer choosing port connect choose file prompt file everytime print hpii file printer good luck brian servis servis purdue happened actual quotes insurance claims pedestrian idea purdue thinks 
protection fault keywords fault organization engineering manufacturing atlanta atlanta distribution lines thia carleton yong thia writes wondering error message running windows umm left message protection faults time machine work windows home windows idea wrong suggested check files windows temp directory message application violated system integrity invalid general protection fault terminated problem applications running boxes files setup hints greatly appreciated post person problems gordon gordon edwards unreal exists engineering manufacturing gedwards atlantaga kiri metaphysics 
changing startup logo reply ebosco oracle distribution organization oracle corp redwood shores lines nntp posting host monica oracle disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle article farley digex charles farley writes installed graphics card bashed windows logo files start windows logo logo thought files controlled windows system vgalogo windows system vgalogo restored files change logo correct files cica indiana simtel mirror program called winlogo trick works great reason change files mentioned logo imbeded windows executable correct expand eric farley digex average calgary board employee 
ctrl locks computer fafter windows reply ebosco oracle organization oracle corp redwood shores lines nntp posting host monica oracle disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle exit windows control reboot computer system hangs reboot reset eric ebosco oracle 
windows windows lines organization free software association germany area windows include windows server window applications remotely university word processing program development bigger jobs workstations fujitsu super computers advance hein eurom free multiline unix home fsag frankfurt main germany data 
windows distribution world organization univ cincinnati academic services lines windows information windows appreciated exists questions memory requirements hard drive space release date reacting intel replace specs speed advance luke email internet address domet bitnet address domet 
embedded truetype fonts organization university southern california angeles lines nntp posting host phakt heard rumors places info embed fonts document write word file printed machine font find list apreciate knowing windows exsists advance harry pierson live twisted dream audio mercenary devoted pledge time primal concrete sledge pierson pantera 
workaround citizen drivers summary workaround keywords printer driver citizen organization corporation lines experiencing user problems commercial software packages wordperfect publish printing landscape mode citizen citizen nutshell problem lose inches information left margin white space truetype font output margins preserved subsequent pages past wordperfect workaround consisting default location printers tractor manual filed continuing investigate write problem printer drivers proving microsoft rest surprised publish investigating problem options rejecting buying package surely problem stumbled global workaround workaround windows control panel select printers select citizen printer driver select setup select custom size magic problems questions lies mike disclaimer opinions necessarily reflect employer mike rovak 
windows smartdrv organization systems lines thought problem windows smartdrv vesa video card ideas recently purchased machine problems machine suddenly freeze reboot happen windows printing document mouse sitting happened machine rebooted sounded beeps looked documentation beep code meant problem interrupts machine configuration files bios floppies hard drive cache microsoft compatible mouse citizen supervga monitor vesa windows accelerator card vesa slots windows config device windows himem high devicehigh setver files buffers stacks autoexec windows smartdrv prompt path windows mouse mouse mouse temp doskey machine freezes mouse keyboard ctrl reboot give greatly configure machine efficiency memory wise douglas dodson internet systems state college disclaimer ideas opinions expressed necessarily reflect ideas opinions 
refresh internet access compuserve organization saic reston lines cheong technet scstech admin writes discussions gaining compuserve access internet misplace articles refresh site telnet gain access telnet login cserve compuserve network enter hostname userid prompt download files haven figure backspace works arthur email arthur craig lewis saic craig saic 
workaround citizen drivers keywords printer driver citizen organization corporation lines article mike mike rovak writes experiencing user problems commercial software packages wordperfect publish printing landscape mode citizen citizen nutshell problem lose inches information left margin white space truetype font output margins preserved subsequent pages past wordperfect workaround consisting default location printers tractor manual filed continuing investigate write problem printer drivers proving microsoft rest surprised publish investigating problem options rejecting buying package surely problem stumbled global workaround workaround windows control panel select printers select citizen printer driver select setup select custom size magic problems questions lies mike excuse mike disclaimer opinions necessarily reflect employer mike rovak 
workaround citizen drivers keywords printer driver citizen organization openconnect systems dallas lines windows luck epson drivers citizen download updated version microsoft margin settings gene toye senior software engineer gtoye openconnect systems freeway dallas disclaimer employer idea 
latest actix drivers windows organization dept electrical engineering university toronto canada distribution comp lines latest drivers actix graphics accelerator card version problems latest version upload site download daniel wong uoft wongda eecg toronto electrical engineering 
workspace managers small review organization tactix reengineering lines newsreader version jamie scuglia jamie apana wrote people recommended workspace managers windows found shareware workspace managers australia windows archive monu monash mirrors sites found workspaces wspace review deleted workshift wrksft review deleted bigdesk backmenu backdesk review deleted information direct internet access means archie access resort ftpmail means site directory workspace managers located post email needed information chris chris huey tactix reengineering rain voice codecrafters custom crafted software hour 
visual distribution nntp posting host hpingoo organization hewlett packard cupertino lines article david fuess writes correct considered upgrade basically product windows product windows upgrade separate operating system product line utilities upgrades utilities told upgrade qcwin upgrade qcwin visual products standard edition list price upgrade qcwin competitive upgrade professional edition list price upgrade competitive upgrade includes upgrades language products qcwin michael hewlett packard cover information networks division support homestead road cupertino 
mouse jumpy mouse organization computer science department stanford university lines article wlieftin liefting writes ecktons sean eckton writes microsoft serial mouse mouse switched vertical motion nice smooth horizontal motion click mouse jumps moving mouse uniform motion mouse move smoothly jump move smoothly jump time left inch crazy trouble mouse solutions microsoft problem caused rubber ball mouse roll smooth detectors mouse notice whoops mine minesweeper solution buying mouse mouse wouter taking rubber ball mouse directions manual bottom mouse cleaning alcohol isopropyl alcohol cleaning cassette deck good mouse dust caught mouse rubber ball lint garbage find rubber ball mouse damaging horizontal vertical sensors hope helps good luck sincerely robert kayman kayman stanford stanford theory theory practice practice revised revision original revised revision revised 
bernoulli drives disks organization university california berkeley lines nntp posting host violet berkeley article ncmoore jhuapl nathan moore writes nilayp berkeley nilay patel writes bernoulli removable tapes drive laugh tapes lying mail nilay patel nilayp berkeley disks tapes forgot newer disks disks word calling disks kind funny word disks nilay patel nilayp berkeley 
haapanen organization world public access unix brookline lines find haapanen keeper newsgroup working watrerloo engineering software netfind find uucp connection contact schlatter paladin 
novell cctr canterbury nick fitzgerald software consultant reply nick fitzgerald organization university canterbury christchurch zealand nntp posting host cantva canterbury lines article bilan thomas bilan writes lastdrive config netx access drive novell lastdrive config access drives file manager make netx work lastdrive statement config change problem lastdrive command netware general case netx adds drives device chain setting lastdrive means unassigned opposed unused drive letters netware tacks drive mappings existing list drives attaches network drives existing unused drive letters guess thing lastdrive machines leave fair swathe drives netware drive mappings nick fitzgerald applications consultant canterbury fitzgerald canterbury 
fast windows video card info needed edowdy umkc organization university missouri kansas city nntp posting host umkc lines article wisc writes diamond stealth vram satisfied performance windows games higher frame rates strike commander stealth vram give dbench winmark million replace card perform approx current vram windows perform preferably ordering actix graphicsengine ultra price stealth card based chip newest fastest chip card april issue magazine review noted person problem stealth card good performer actix card rated chip class local glowing reports magazine called directly updated windows drivers week bulletin board latest drivers somone posted rate actix graphics engine ultra outperforms cards class based winmark results windows performance check actix card number article magazine noted regular user games check chip apparently scores cases slightly chip stealth actix cards comparable windows performance cheaper eric 
program manager questions organization rice university lines sharware utilities change plug bryan dunne 
canon bubblejet deskjet summary refill kits organization jeff house computer pieces lines thomas fellrath wrote issue bought drying speed trenton computer fest sources refills canon choice frequently asked question list reposted occasionally reports refill cartridges inks stationery store specialty specialty price found legal source cheap hypos injecting cartridges mail order succeeds jeffrey jonas jeffj 
monoumb organization prairie storm international lockport canada lines program monoumb checked windows system disks monoumb stan kucera skucera bison stan kucera 
visual reply david fuess message nntp posting host organization pelican software corporation distribution lines clarify considered upgrade product called command line compiler lists version product compiler capable producing executables windows significant difference windows hosted tools assist developers creating windows executables quickly basically automating thousands lines boilerplate code initial impressions favorable registered user received considerable amount info specifics haven call microsoft happy send jefrem iwaniw pelican software corporation 
line mail lines program called vbreader line mail reader windows mail packets good mail readers kevin kevin donoghue internet donoghue donoghue international love hear sins love grand suite william shakespear ventura 
wordbasic organization defence science technology organisation lines reply pitt dsto nntp posting host fencer dsto request information reading organisation called winword developer relations group produced publications called winword software development wordbasic proceedings windows developers tools conference wordbasic sessions assembled steve wexler able contact address organisation publications adrian pitt systems administrator dsto corporate information systems unit melbourne lorimer street fishermens bend australia phone email pitt dsto 
viewsonic experience sought organization integrated systems lines nntp posting host tycho email post positive negative experience monitor compared nanao summarize multiple responses voice integrated systems 
bernoulli drives disks organization world public access unix brookline lines article nilayp berkeley nilay patel writes article ncmoore jhuapl nathan moore writes nilayp berkeley nilay patel writes bernoulli removable tapes drive laugh tapes lying mail nilay patel nilayp berkeley disks tapes forgot newer disks disks word calling disks kind funny word disks remember floppy disks system back high school mention multi platter disk packs held washing machine drives local college programming classes early paladin disk disk matter great small paraphrasing gulliver travels 
mail messages windows editors keywords windows editor norton desktop mail organization world public access unix brookline lines modest system aliases macros enables download mail public access unix system read reply mail windows based editor works peachey keen long author message maintained text width slightly wider messages screen cursor slider read thing deskedit experienced prob windows editors fiddled word wrap settings editors avail missing basic editor setup yeah word windows converts flawlessly tank crack walnuts editor setup display incoming ascii files readable format screen advance erich lantz distributor deflagration virago dead shut 
canon bubblejet deskjet reply edmoore message nntp posting host hayle organization malvern worcs lines article edmoore moore writes thomas fellrath wrote issue bought drying speed awful hard smear deskjets seconds completely cases pages unlike laser printers material pages toner deskjet family water fast pictures ruined drops rain colour pictures deskjet mind acid rain dries fast justin whitton hermes relay august mail disclaimer opinions count office empty student intelligence 
pctools compress moved keywords pctools compress organization harvey mudd college claremont lines problems running pctools compress corrupted data caches cache running time loading windows loads segmentation fault amipro finishes times managing logo pops begins loading general protection fault module amiproui able problem reinstalling happened times compress hard drive running stacker disk compression programs pctools compress defragger system hard drive make difference email newsgroup traffic derek dpiaseck claremont 
novell organization malaspina college lines article cctr canterbury nick fitzgerald software consultant writes article bilan thomas bilan writes lastdrive config netx access drive novell lastdrive config access drives file manager make netx work lastdrive statement config change problem lastdrive command netware general case netx adds drives device chain setting lastdrive means unassigned opposed unused drive letters netware tacks drive mappings existing list drives attaches network drives existing unused drive letters guess thing lastdrive machines leave fair swathe drives netware drive mappings requires drives lastdrive makes novell drive leaves drives local drives 
darren lavallee sccsi darren lavallee distribution world organization comm cloudnine lines hard drive compression ratio double disk format erase double full make mirror hard drive darren lavallee origin csrn files lines internet usenet 
canon bubblejet deskjet organization hewlett packard newsreader lines justin whitton isis rsre wrote article edmoore moore writes thomas fellrath wrote deskjet family water fast pictures ruined drops rain colour pictures deskjet mind acid rain black waterfast color dries fast justin whitton hermes relay august mail disclaimer opinions count office empty student intelligence taylor vancouver 
reboot start windows originator news nntp posting host week princeton organization princeton university lines recently problem arrisen time turn computer windows starts autoexec title screen computer reboots time reboot prompt works fine remember changed config autoxec remember problem occured optimized defragmented disk created larger swap file mathcad system stacker carlos niederstrasser things infinite princeton planetary society universe human stupidity einstein carlosn princeton space princeton astra ardua nostra 
summary borland microsoft database libraries organization orbital engine company lines amazed successful exercise received responses requests summary made able find codebase accsys codebase accsys libraries windows application communicated windows calls send string receive results people wrote paradox engine borland products mentioned microsoft odbc accsys quadbase codebase rbase odbc quadbase rbase decided codebase ansi portability version runs unix includes source code portability important application works dbase foxpro clipper files feel microsoft odbc promising formalisation building submitting queries formatting query results responses effectively unusuable manuals odbc programmer reference odbc guide odbc interpret liase databases drivers provided database manufacturers windows extension windows start interface standard make life interesting future original post responses separated line asterisks borland microsoft libraries accessing respective databases paradox foxpro programs able build query string pass function returns query results format failing access hear party libraries thing people interested prepare summary told post borland product called paradox engine current version fully compatible paradox versions engine compatible pdox consists broad library functions accesing database files pascal turbo pascal microsoft borland reading borland paradox engine database frameworks works borland mocrosoft turbo windows turbo pascal windows framework applications support object useage real chance fairly complete planning summer rick rick osterberg osterber harvard harvard yard mail center cambridge borland product called paradox engine paradox engine definitiely replacement enable save restore records locking supposedly paradox windows impemented charles parker phone technical support centerline software cparker cyberspace momma children grow cowboys borland library routines accessing paradox program recently version works borland microsoft compiler shailesh bhobe odbc public domain worth downloading fast link vendor microsoft odbc companies starting provide engines rbase cheap programs vbasic windows talk data bases functions code walter knopf fermilab knopf fnal check odbc toolikt microsoft vendor microsoft odbc chosen access databases apps pp ssii specialists windows windows development ppss call information tool ooaid pp ss michaeljon miller mikem proficient solutions ss ii holmes minneapolis borland sells paradox engine language interface paradox dbase btrieve asci files sell database frameworks includes engine collection source classes engine earl roethke eroethke actualy paradox engine library functions large model accessing paradox databases working fine thouroughly costs hope david lefebvre borland database called paradox engine access database files aswell things gary bell monash gary bell department robotics digital technology faculty computing caulfield campus monash university australia paradox engine library paradox artur babecki artur borland sells paradox engine paradox calls searches fields indivual fields comparison operators pretty painful opinion simple retrieval inserts updates eval copy linked entry screens written engine library adds size program load overlay borland vroom manager borland claims versions engine support expect till late year year thrid parties questions mike kamlet mike borland sells paradox engine separately pascal interfaces underlying interface version engine costed egghead version engine separate class package michael kersenbrock kentrox portland oregon michaelk uunet kentrox michaelk accsys paradox version ready paradox access paradox files pretty good heard borland paradox engine supposed likewise hope helps good luck chris fernand christopher fernandes borland sells paradox engine library functions accessing paradox files libraries turbo pascal turbo pascal libraries libraries windows flavors stuff crystal reports graphical report generator create generic form compiled program pdox engine offer current price paid upgrade earlier version hope helps david taylor commander easier change internet gatech specification program dtaylor gatech vice versa root gatech author unknown wise programs check quadbase address oops quadbase systems lucerne sunnyvale phone voice demo disk looked good background embedded ingres looked real similar expensive order demo wait send special offer good luck delosh delosh emich delosh borland paradox engine library libraries pascal access paradox files windows paradox link pdox compliant engine year pretty satisfied real tacks size programs associate programmer university utah email cppa utah microsoft borland sells paradox engine pascal package dbase compatible files library called codebase sequiter software works davidr rockwell david database libraries describe accessed common talk major database formats build application queries databases queries access package microway melbourne produced pioneer systems association microway pioneer systems satisfied customers feel free mail information chris programming national parks wildlife service chris hutchinson research programmer university england chris armidale paradox engine complete libraries accessing paradox tables supports borland turbo microsoft compile engine sample applications waterloo watcom compiler complains library file llibce missing file part watcom engine success compilers developing borland paradox engine pascal recently version engine compatible paradox downward compat libs access names offhand written regard users journal good place type package general paying dues learn quirks past year recommend complex multiuser staying marriage time invested learning work arounds interest limited simple single user interface build engine engine easily sound bumping gotchas write able point direction raymond santa cruz raymond borland paradox engine database framework assembler paradox databases part boca borland object component architecture technical briefs boca pdoxeng products read tasc james mcnamara james mcnamara tasc walkers brook drive reading john bongiovanni systems analyst orbital engine company perth australia oecjtb orbital dialix bongo caltech opinions expressed organisation 
telephone cirrus logic organization malaspina college lines article chen hawaii chen writes telephone number cirrus logic maker graphic card reply chen harvard chen center astrophysics number 
program manager questions reply wefii axion palantir organization private lines lisbon gerry swetsky writes short return program manager avoid task list back recorder make micro operations windows ability micro accessories window problem runing work good luck warren fridy street north petersburg internet wefii axion palantir uucp palan deep axion wefii 
drivers stealth organization clemson university lines doug ward writes recently purchased diamond stealth video card received wrong drivers proper drivers dstlth file cica work video card respond doug uiuc doug ward date hour download rates yeah costs locking system quick stealth drivers david 
mouse jumpiness solved nntp posting host tridom reply tridom organization tridom lines guarantee work finally fixed mouse jumpiness problems installed mouse solution free past microsoft serial mouse cleaning unloading kinds tsrs turning smartdrv write cacheing changing ports worked yesterday finally broke bought mouse systems mouse improvement imagined mouse jumpy time thought jumpy notice wife computer month noticed improvement literally mice mouse systems give mouse systems mice buttons driver includes utility lets assign keystrokes middle button hope helps frustrated worth stephen thomas tridom email tridom attmail tridom 
kermit windows summary windows kermit keywords windows kermit comm reply frampton ocunix distribution world organization vicuna systems kingston ontario canada lines content type text plain charset ascii wondering kermit package actual package program kermit file transfers microsoft windows information greatly appreciated mail post advance steve frampton frampton ocunix steve frampton collect postcards send princess area send return send kingston ontario forget email mailing address canada 
summary borland microsoft database libraries reply ramirez richard ramirez organization iowa state university lines post description objectbase chosen product 
file systems organization spider systems limited edinburgh lines nntp posting host trapdoor spider read havn writing case breaks ntfs file system thought ntfs supposed system keith 
mail order sales billing receivables program organization eastern illinois university lines surely familiar mail order company company products thousands clients sales billing receivables program handle thing able customize source sell basic stuff development language ready sort solution immediately time develop prototype weeks make quick cash dixon berry light cfdeb tunnel eastern illinois university bill clinton booth library computer resource center train cracker 
pctools compress moved keywords pctools compress organization harvey mudd college claremont lines alarm correlation crashes pctools reinstalled compress problems problems related filling disk bytes left ftping matter running time made space immediately working derek 
workspace managers small review organization university illinois chicago lines rain chris huey writes jamie scuglia jamie apana wrote people recommended workspace managers windows found shareware workspace managers australia windows archive monu monash mirrors sites found workspaces wspace review deleted workshift wrksft review deleted bigdesk backmenu backdesk review deleted information direct internet access means archie access resort ftpmail means site directory workspace managers located backdesk cica directory throw running topdesk alsow cica complicated backdesk found stable usefull recomend people virtual desktop free copyright microsoft sanford staab carl zmola uchicago 
problem nntp posting host davidr mentorg organization mentor keywords lines running windows windows work groups loaded happening appears graphics problem file manager added menubar buttons appears gray boxed region covers button buttons pulldown menus pulldown menus fine disk label region fine bottom pixels task buttons experience david ransier davidr mentorg comments paid office employers 
canon bubblejet deskjet organization francisco state university lines article robertt taylor writes justin whitton isis rsre wrote article edmoore moore writes thomas fellrath wrote deskjet family water fast pictures ruined drops rain colour pictures deskjet mind acid rain black waterfast color dries fast justin whitton hermes relay august mail disclaimer opinions count office empty student intelligence taylor vancouver 
sale borland application frameworks reply aherskow organization allegheny college excuse inappropriate post read groups related marketplace newsgroups sale borland application frameworks full professional developer borland programming package including unopened software unopened manuals registration card software includes plastic wrapped high density inch disks borland total diskettes individually wrapped packages disk borland frameworks label amish system utilities windows high density disk amish launch amish desk utilities windows phar extender lite version disk manuals include plastic wrapped manuals include unopened boland windows volumes reference guide reference guide windows reference guide borland turbo debugger user guide borland turbo profiler user guide borland turbo assembler users guide borland user guide integrated environment optimization command line compiler installation borland programmer guide language structure class libraries advanced prgramming techniques anci implementaion borland library reference runtime library global variables cross reference borland tools utilities guide error messages winsightm make resource compilers tlink borland object windows user guide tutorials class reference opened plastic wrapping unread manuals include borland turbo assembler quick reference guide borland turbo vision user guide borland resource workshop user guide package purchased employee father father asked sell retails software houses approx interested mail directly read newsgroup aaron herskowitz aherskow allegheny college meadville pennsylvania 
strange enhanced behavior keywords enhanced paradox organization computer sciences corporation lines howdy real problem machine installed paradox windows paradox real problem installation windows installed local drive paradox installed novell network netware greater program load enchanted mode thermometer invalid command windows nastygram talking illegal instruction checked command thing long time programmer crashed share machines pointer problems standard behavior paradox standard mode enhanced quattro windows exhibiting behavior spent hours borland tech people avail talked microsoft gave pretty quickly disappointing expected microsoft millions windows installations problems guess microsoft page fixing general protection faults microsoft luck mail problem driving nuts greatly information pass kelly real signature ignore demon signature kelly grant grantk hancock time asks diego kelly grant grantk nosc computer sciences corp important manta uucp hancock street lemons trade diego chocolate 
mouse jumpy mouse organization simon fraser university burnaby canada lines ecktons sean eckton writes microsoft serial mouse mouse switched vertical motion nice smooth horizontal motion click mouse jumps moving mouse uniform motion mouse move smoothly jump move smoothly jump time left inch crazy trouble mouse solutions flip mouse open cover holds mouse ball place remove ball inside rollers rollers tiny layer caked dirt dust unidentifiable scum carefully scrape small knife xacto works great careful gauge rollers clean dirt ball back cover clean couple dozen month symptom move mouse click solve problem clean mouse highly recommend proper soft mouse clean freak place drawer night dust personally prefer track balls brings point mouse trackball tracks optically sunlight streaming window mouse trackball notice stop working close curtains blinds simply shade pointing device helps peter goudswaard goudswaa preferred pgoudswa pgoudswa goudswaard observation 
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diamond organization simon fraser university burnaby canada lines admin dave laudicina writes experienced faint shadow resolutions card windows replaced card waiting latest drivers experienced general protection fault errors wspdpsf winword tools option menu winfax setup ultra genral protection fault errors spss application card manufactures terrible quality control products market bugs hassle running gateway dave problem video monitor monitors develop shadows white bright colors peter goudswaard goudswaa preferred pgoudswa pgoudswa goudswaard observation 
format nntp posting host unix organization trinity college dublin lines windows bitmap format data stored width height colours bitmap data find user manual reference material give information andrew 
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netware fileman organization northwest nexus lines nntp posting host nwfocus update person novell windows file manager view files person created changed novell command ndir osburn osburn osburn osburn bellevue washington 
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tidying removing server lines article chris wooff writes installed spss windows part evaluation evaluation complete duly deleted software ghost spss left write embed object spss chart appears list objects offered looked obvious files success thing string spss chart file windows directory turned file called file binary feel inclined edit solution removing spss list servers chris wooff wooff edit file utility windows called regedit registration info editor hodge fishing worms yeah 
file systems organization redondo beach lines article keiths keith smith writes read havn writing case breaks ntfs file system thought ntfs supposed system keith read ntfs file system ntfs file system read file system windowsnt seperate partition machine home read disks windows vice versa robustness file system fast single problem prove system read book inside windows give info scott scott reimert reimert etdesg standard disclaimer redondo beach blah blah blah store beer cool dark place 
viewsonic experience sought organization tektronix info services lines distribution world nntp posting host keithj email post positive negative experience monitor compared nanao summarize multiple responses bought viewsonic home week back felt money work monitor sharper flatter distorted stable heard complaints people series quality control problems mine year problems broken viewsonic match graphics ultra setup mode push frequencies limits viewsonic exhibited problems personally etched ocli filter tube nice uncorrectable pincusion edge distortion problems change brightness switched modes constantly fiddle controls yoke crooked compensate raster tilted downhill postive side handsome smaller footprint heavy heard panasonic owns viewsonic model sold channels panasonic label lower cost vote searching cheaper good older brother decide experience nanao nanao models straight place walk good comparison models standard employer disclaimers apply keith johnson tektronix info services wilsonville internet keith johnson voice 
comp windows misc setup organization software metrics lines nntp posting host rodan official request discussion creation newsgroups microsoft windows replacing originally posted january vote proposed groups comp windows setup status unmoderated purpose discussions setting installing windows system peripheral compatability issues windows comp windows misc status unmoderated purpose miscellaneous programming discussions windows including issues security networking features console mode windows compatability rationale microsoft newest member microsoft windows family operating systems operating environments argue meaning family ranges modular windows windows windows workgroups windows high date microsoft shipped beta copies release sdks windows actual release slated june windows design internally shares application programming interface members windows family includes dows subset threads networking security create applications windows user interface practically identical windows addition logins features program manager file manager applets generally sents identical appearance user announced windows applications ports existing windows apps runs existing applications appears logical windows share groups members windows family comp windows apps comp windows programmer tools comp windows programmer misc comp windows programmer groups applicable windows windows comp windows announce comp windows advocacy conclusion clear argument separation windows windows hierarchies internal structures windows windows operating systems macintosh xenix coherent undergone major rewrites split separate newsgroup hierarchies windows major rewrite fully protected mode built generation windows chicago debuts year surely remain hierarchy tification separating windows windows versions discussion period discussion period april voting call votes issued based feedback received discussion period votes accepted prior haapanen tomh software metrics waterloo stick index fingers corners mouth pull corrado makes feel january 
frustrations summary work keywords organization university illinois urbana lines starting work project transfer data application excel macro transfer data port setup macros suggestions good references downloaded windows dynamic exchange application note books worth specifics server application dionex chromatography data system client application windows macro dionex provide documentation problems develop application data connect instrument appreciated leon olszewski worse itch internet leono scratch leon bladerunner 
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dobe adobe nntp posting host daphne reply moret moret magistere organization universite paris paris lines wanted create postcript file print laserwriter created postcript file version adobe laser accept adobe resolve problem 
wanted card logitech mouse article news expires distribution organization dyskaryotic lines acquired logitech series button mouse told mouse unload clone card mouse email replies bobmon indiana 
flame therapy article fmsrl pqdfrinn organization ford motor company research laboratory lines nntp posting host slee ford newsreader great idea group created comp flame therapy agree 
warning copy board copying keywords mislead misinform misdirect copy article lines nntp posting host hermes kcbp buffalo mitch writes back masters word perfect windows windows norton send copy permanent college address safe keeping students borrowing masters worried screwed realize inevitably anal retentive moron fingers jowls outrage personal politics important smcap bold font smcap bold font irrelevant problem windows system disks hate disks copied high density xcopy worked fine fact changing configurations whatnot decided putting hard disk copy disk directory simply copy directory makes nicer switching printer emulations norton experience friend system crashed restored backup originals worked fine imply norton create workable backup full install time thing played windows utah good luck disclaimer copy floppy respect elders wages death hefty legal bill offend kudla keywords oldfield jane leather phish light blue bondage steely genesis spaceship silver spaceship lion takes control 
keyboard summary location lock ctrl keys keyboard keywords lock ctrl article longs organization colorado state university lines nntp posting host hercules lance colostate article john writes john subject keyboard summary location lock ctrl keys keyboard keywords lock ctrl date software exchange caps lock ctrl keys style keyboard memory resident program work programs feature specific program aware shareware program back feature program program archive keymap simtel mirror sites msdos keyboard directory written assembler compiler create keyboard binary editor edit provided compiled keyboard driver compiler hexed simtel simply serach codes locate biginning normal keyboard swap codes keys swap keyboard directory simtel programs report scancode bios programs info good luck pete peter mckinney lance colostate electrohydrodynamic laboratory fluid mechanics wind engineering program civil engineering department colorado state university 
identify video hardware article fmsrl pqep organization ford motor company research laboratory lines nntp posting host slee ford newsreader device board subsystem video signals combine template template simple rectangular window signal interior signal exterior beleive fancier harware exist exclude search sort hardware exists ntsc email post leads gordon lang glang ford glang ford 
long monitors article organization lehigh university lines inch interlacing year brand monitor bullet pressed power switch seconds power light gawd half years long normal monitors problem monitor power switch image pretty needed contrast screen flicker time time normal hehehe worst luck question fixed save good cheap monitor save money upgrade engineers extensive effort applied fresh approach problem hired kick robert bobby yung 
ttn smith organization freshman electrical computer engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply model number interlaced number contact company helpful replying beginning reply posted netnews bboard message returned message calvin 
share optimization tips organization lines article jbodnar utexas john bodnar writes edgar pearlstein computer arrived statement config file stacks changed stacks saved bytes lowered microsoft stacks single computer installed windows simple eisa motherboards volante tiga adapters intel ethernet express cards caching scsi controllers problem extra gained means conventional memory gobbling programs orcad tango john bodnar developing windows university texas austin applications inhaled internet jbodnar utexas uucp utexas ccwf jbodnar borland philippe kahn remember reading qemm manual stack needed windows setup program stack rich 
gateway problem nntp posting host starbase louisville organization university louisville lines wondering problem gateway system graphics ultra computer resolution fine windows autocad gifs screen inches shorter bottom screen black screen squeezes smaller space messes aspect ratio manually change size back pain happen called gateway numerous times able times card times card work computer bill card back couple days told phone wait weeks billing card customer support story problem hell solution problem advance jude greer jmgree louisville mach install program manually ting card work increase vertical size screen starts bottom 
simms organization lehigh university lines article nshah writes gateway local system slots simms simms question received simm pins slot motherboard pins wrong simm simm pins slot flilled encountered long slot simms suggestions hold gateway post nshah bought wrong simms simms becuase send receive data byte parity byte chunks undoubtedly simms widely future jason jason walters eecs lehigh modem mouth 
intel pentium linux article openage organization open lines inabu clausthal arnd burghardt writes folks yesterday visited cebit hannover germany intel presenting pentium processor words machines beast running presented nicely unly running picture shows presentor promised binary compatible showed disk linux system emergency disk patched lilo boot disk convice boot guts glory decided glory touch holy cows boot suspect thought coward back earth learn technology industrial standarts expect beast local computer shop spring year cents mine running chip trade show real technical knowledge stranger diskette boot demo machine demo machine long people nice demos purposted linux diskette wipe disk loaded virus deep trouble marketer mind specifically invited people provided machines learn technology shipping vendors compatible golden gryphon gryphon crown jewel american prison system president bill clinton living white house openage premier unix integrator washington area 
warranty extension credit company applies phurchase computer article distribution organization hewlett packard lines nntp posting host writer newsreader version huayong yang yang umass wrote credit card companies offer double warranty year make purchase credit card additional warranty year apply purchase computers catch advance post results computer purchase points ability american express card read fine print double warranty policies amex citibank visa double warranty computers citibank maximum claim imagine monitor mother board fixed amex limit claims remember amex send copy warranty info days purchase call register send paperwork days purchase register arrived today citibank visa requires registration 
happy gateway owner organization marysville lines kinds complaints gateways thought post recent pleasant experiences machine past friday weeks called order unboxing found perfect order peripherals ordered properly installed jumbo impressed quantity quality gateway documentation software original disks manuals gateway manual nice ring binder build drivers software microsoft office properly installed machine performing flawlessly weekend reaches room temperature roomy tower case running problems read people problems high speed serial communications interlink program lets link computer serial port baud maps machines hard disks disks drives programs copy files peer peer programs machine street machine server machine client differ peer peer stuff bundled utility impressive jumbo minutes back data passed potential gateway monitor problems taking credit applying love monitor glad good news gateway stories glad working john john gayman uucp uunet john packet 
winmarks article crash organization network services crash ctsnet cajon lines winmarks benchmark roger ruzun uzun 
gateway problem lines nntp posting host gray utexas organization university texas austin lines article jmgree louisville jude greer writes wondering problem gateway system graphics ultra computer resolution fine windows autocad gifs screen inches shorter bottom screen black screen squeezes smaller space messes aspect ratio manually change size back pain happen called gateway numerous times able times card times card work computer bill card back couple days told phone wait weeks billing card customer support story problem hell solution problem advance jude greer jmgree louisville mach install program manually ting card work increase vertical size screen starts bottom monitor problem mentioned swapped cards monitors daniel matthew coleman internet dcoleman utexas dcoleman utexas university texas austin decnet utxvms dcoleman electrical computer engineering bitnet dcoleman bitnet 
simm sale organization boston university boston lines originator nshah simm sale perfect condition work system requires simms paid insured shipping addition eisa type simm sale drop line nimesh shah nshah 
infamous gateway video monitor problem info requested organization ford motor company research laboratory lines nntp posting host slee ford newsreader greg spath wrote article mikey mike yang mailorder gateway save technical support phone free software package hold technical support phone locally walk dealer wrong phone support quick competent mail order firms quick competent gateway included experience computer retailers significant lead conclusion sales personnel retail technical personnel forbidden learn products sell talk incompetent percent answers correct salesmen realize stupid settle catch breath fact retail stores provide terms price product retail outlets desirable people interested learning computers make decisions fine education carpeting wall paper lawn mowers microwave ovens sales personnel assume idiot care things care computer demand features performance damned high school drop commission rated priced system process subjected distorted generally 
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drive controller compatibility lines organization university north texas responded original post number western digital tech support determined upgrade bios super bios handle hard drives read write heads cylinders upgrade payable check money order send western digital corporation technical support group irvine super bios hard drive controller card series bios system handle drives responses request follow warning long keith keith rice university north texas department computer science denton texas drice csci drice ravalent received mailbox ponder ravalent valentine received mothra mailbox received mothra spike date message drice status drice csci subject drive controller compatibility newsgroups comp hardware reply organization syracuse university syracuse article write recently bought seagate hard drive told fully tested good home install compaq portable technology controller installed drive powered system post error controller western digital drive seagate system compaq portable circa finally question answer mess older stuff alot kinda problem forsee compadible card bios check numbers chip board slightly center left bios read digits problems controller jumpers represents jumper factory jumped trace pins select primary controller address drive jumpers represents jumper deleted questions drive controller compatible notice left jumper table settings control drive controller thinks open open open open closed closed open open note runs numbers jumper block bottom represent jumper pins pins select drive setting drive pins select drive drive auto config book jumpers card drive correctly problems jumpers risk insulting make cables good jumper moving opposite side drive narrow data cable thrown times banged head system bios upgrade dunno roms quick check boot debug enter ffc debug prompt return date keith rice oversimplified appologize hard caliber person talking valentine ravalent chpp prof piacenza subject drice date mailer version mime version content type text plain charset ascii content transfer encoding content length status twisted cable move jumper drive neighbouring pins make twisted cable hard disk floppy disk coloured stripe furthest twist products systems hard disk controllers hard disk drives reference note feature half slot size hard disk controller card interface supports drives heads cylinders jumper configurable secondary addressing default drive tables built bios supports standard drive types virtual drive formatting dual drive operation track formatting dynamic formatting board features power connector filecard applications operate systems note controller card unavailable manufacturer western digital march reference note wdxt feature half slot size hard disk controller card interface supports hard disk drives heads cylinders built bios supports standard drive types virtual drive formatting dual drive operation track formatting dynamic formatting note controller card unavailable manufacturer western digital march feature half slot size disk controller card interface supports drives heads cylinders jumper configurable secondary addressing default drive tables built bios supports standard drive types virtual drive formatting dual drive operation track formatting dynamic formatting board features power connector filecard applications operate systems reference note wdxt feature half slot size hard disk controller card interface supports hard disk drives heads cylinders built bios supports standard drive types virtual drive formatting dual drive operation track formatting dynamic formatting reference note hard disk controllers hard disk drives reference note feature half slot size hard disk controller card interface supports hard disk drives heads cylinders jumper configurable secondary addressing default drive tables built bios supports standard drive types virtual drive formatting dual drive operation track formatting dynamic formatting board features power connector filecard applications operate systems note controller card unavailable manufacturer western digital march reference note feature half slot size hard disk controller interface supports drives heads cylinders built bios supports standard drive types virtual drive formatting track formatting dynamic formatting note controller card unavailable manufacturer western digital march feature half slot size hard disk controller card interface supports hard disk drives heads cylinders jumper configurable secondary addressing default drive tables built bios supports standard drive types virtual drive formatting dual drive operation track formatting dynamic formatting board features power connection filecard applications operate systems reference note feature half slot size hard disk controller interface supports drives heads cylinders built bios supports standard drive types virtual drive formatting track formatting dynamic formatting note system bios chips support hard disk drive western digital controller card system boot solve problem bios chips disabled disable bios western digital controller card remove jumper position jumper position depending model controller note tandy systems wdxt modified operate tandy series computers models original version computers utilize interrupt standard modify operate systems etch jumper position solder position complete modification jumper added position switch rows pins note physical modification western digital hard disk controller voids warranty board modify wdxt tandy system resister soldered jumper position change interrupt controllers floppy disk drives half slot floppy disk controller systems versions board feature supports floppy disk drives feature supports floppy disk drives includes optional control data power connector optional power connector feature supports floppy disk drives includes bios enable system recognize floppy disk drive supported system bios optional bios controller card operate high density floppy disk drives system feature supports floppy disk drives includes optional control data power connector optional power connector bios enable system recognize floppy disk drives supported system bios optional bios controller card operate high density floppy disk drives system products systems hard disk controllers hard disk drives floppy support feature hard disk controller card interface supports drives heads cylinders interleave feature hard disk controller card interface supports drives heads cylinders interleave boards high speed systems megahertz system speed feature hard disk controller card interface supports drives heads cylinders interleave feature hard disk controller card interface supports drives heads cylinders interleave faster data transfer ahead caching boards high speed systems megahertz system speed hard disk controllers hard disk drives floppy disk drives feature hard disk controller card interface full form factor supports drives heads cylinders interleave floppy disk drives feature hard disk controller card interface full form factor supports drives heads cylinders interleave floppy disk drives feature hard disk controller card interface supports maximum drives heads cylinders interleave floppy disk drives boards high speed systems megahertz system speed feature hard disk controller card interface supports maximum drives heads cylinders interleave faster data transfer ahead caching floppy disk drives boards high speed systems megahertz system speed hard disk controllers hard disk drives floppy support hard disk controller card interface supports hard disk drives heads cylinders interleave hard disk controller card interface supports maximum hard disk drives heads cylinders interleave boards high speed systems megahertz system speed feature includes optional bios user define drive parameters feature include bios drive tables system bios drive parameters hard disk controller card interface supports maximum hard disk drives heads cylinders interleave feature includes optional bios additional drive parameter tables feature include bios drive tables system bios drive parameters hard disk controller card interface supports hard disk drives heads cylinders interleave faster data transfer ahead caching boards high speed systems megahertz system speed feature includes optional bios user define drive parameters feature include bios drive tables system bios drive parameters hard disk controllers hard disk drives floppy disk drives feature hard disk controller card interface supports maximum hard disk drives heads cylinders interleave floppy disk drives hard disk controller card interface supports maximum hard disk drives heads cylinders interleave floppy disk drives boards high speed systems megahertz system speed feature includes optional bios user define drive parameters feature include bios drive tables system bios drive parameters hard disk controller card interface supports maximum hard disk drives heads cylinders floppy disk drives features interleave faster data transfer ahead caching boards high speed systems megahertz system speed feature includes optional bios user define drive parameters feature include bios drive tables system bios drive parameters hard disk controllers esdi hard disk drives floppy support controller card support esdi hard disk drives megabit data transfer rate interleave feature includes optional bios shadow enable controller card interface types esdi drives modifying system bios feature include bios drive tables system bios drive parameters controller card support esdi hard disk drives megabit data transfer rate interleave boards high speed systems megahertz system speed feature includes optional bios shadow enable controller card interface types esdi drives modifying system bios feature include bios drive tables system bios drive parameters hard disk controllers esdi hard disk drives floppy disk drives controller card support esdi hard disk drives megabit data transfer rate interleave floppy disk drives feature includes optional bios shadow enable controller card interface types esdi drives modifying system bios feature include bios drive tables system bios drive parameters controller card support esdi hard disk drives megabit data transfer rate interleave floppy drives boards high speed systems megahertz speed feature includes optional bios shadow enable controller card interface types esdi drives modifying system bios feature include bios drive tables system bios drive parameters controller card support esdi hard disk drives megabit data transfer rate interleave floppy disk drives board serial port parallel port feature includes optional bios shadow enable controller card interface types esdi drives modifying system bios feature include bios drive tables system bios drive parameter hard disk controllers scsi hard disk drives scsi host adapter serves interface scsi drivers receivers included permitting direct cable connections scsi connector edge connectors utilizes jumper configurable options enable address space channels interrupt requests selected suit user application board features word data transfer megabytes synchronous board floppy disk controller bios note operates standard fasst scsi host adapter card features additional support capabilities software developed columbia data products fasst support compaq version xenix microsoft windows novell sytos tape backup wdatxt fasst unintelligent scsi host adapter compatible compatible systems external scsi connector standard internal scsi cable wdatxt fasst target initiator serves excellent tool scsi designers cost alternative users desiring install scsi peripheral device hard disk drive tape backup unit includes scsi board manual fasst software diskettes internal scsi cable sytos tape backup utility fasst fasst sytos fasst version sytos tape backup utilities compatible runs fasst software products revision hard disk controllers model systems microchannel architecture feature hard disk controller interface microchannel systems supports drives heads cylinders interleave faster data transfer ahead caching boards high speed systems megahertz system speed feature controller card support esdi hard disk drives megabit transfer rate bios shadow enable controller card interface types esdi hard disk drives modifying system bios interleave boards high speed systems megahertz speed controllers floppy disk drives half slot floppy disk controller systems versions board feature supports floppy disk drives feature supports floppy disk drives includes optional control data power connector optional power connector feature supports floppy disk drives includes bios enable system recognize floppy disk drives supported system bios optional bios controller card operate high density floppy disk drives system feature supports floppy disk drives includes optional control data power connector optional power connector bios enable system recognize floppy disk drives supported system bios optional bios controller card operate high density floppy disk 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program keyboard organization university orleans france lines heard exist programmable keyboards program displays keys show specific characters transmitting trivial data opposed standard numlock typeamatic specs inside software found reference specs interface ideas encode data sequences standard commands mentioned neat great advance andrew 
minidisc lines newsreader version brown wrote offshoot technology exists drive drives exist computers expensive slow disks cheep disks read recent article personal computer world digit audion formats talked nice data storage calculation data store author talking sony formats mentioned reply purely audio format data pressed info sony basically admitted slight adaptabtion original poster wanting drives audio player prices assume problem system higher tolerances system pick occasional error archiving program david shepherd inmos aztec west almondsbury bristol rates poll council nicholas ridley 
problem maxtor spins reason keywords maxtor adaptec scsi organization university zurich switzerland newsreader version lines strange problem maxtor drive clone time time obvious reason spin completely sound simply refuse accessed reacts error drive accessed reproduce error occurs time happened wanted demonstrate software colleague experienced similar problems thing dealer told wrong checked post group maxtor problems describes problem configuration advance mailed peter list equipment computer mandax mainboard adaptec scsi master maxtor scsi hard drive reader problem remains removed card config files device setver device windows himem device system aspi device system aswcdnec neccd high country country device display autoexe windows smartdrive path windows temp mode codepage prepare mode codepage select keyb keyboard system mscdex neccd peter schneider englisches seminar mail pschneid unizh universitaet zurich phone plattenstrasse zurich switzerland 
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backing masters keywords misled confused advice comprendo organization university buffalo lines news software vnews nntp posting host ubvmsd buffalo quick explained backing masters apparently copy protected program unable handle high density shit surprised hear programs high density disks copy protection back learn mitch 
limits organization wimsey information services distribution lines advice configure accept mouse sound card idea mouse gobbled cycles caused loss communications floppy disks problems suppose switch devices externally disable port super card sound card horsing works replies appreciated subscribed newsgroup assume mark fraser 
transfer slow eisa ultrastor keywords scsi organization department computer science copenhagen lines recently switched amiga computer configuration eisa micronics motherboard asic eisa harddisk scsi ultrastor eisa cache controller norton harddisk benchmark harddisk data transfer good thought eisa manual harddisk read host adapters perform level format optimize harddisk performance system transfer system faster speedier harddisk phantom mail preffered working sign live tape 
distribution world organization arbor michigan reply robert desonia arbor robert desonia lines recent advertisements based systems exists imply circuitry motherboard works speed opposite internals working advance andrew andrew version buying nice size external cache performance greater internal cache work potentially larger cache work systems program main memory dram slow high speed winqwk unregistered evaluation copy kmail arbor usenet gateway dial free usenet mail newsgroups pcboard uupcb kmail call member asad disk serving arbor 
understand distribution world organization arbor michigan reply robert desonia arbor robert desonia lines joohwee students neural wrote buying simms recently sales person told chip simms chip simms interchan type told mixing banks mixing bank speeds mixing simms bank differ type chips assuming simms wide equivalent configuration chip simm wide mbit nibbles wide mbit chip total wide mbyte simm wide mbit chips equivalent pinned simm board simm interface wide mbyte simms techie similarly plug simms simms system total system supports simm slots plug simms give sounds correct problem computer takes wide simms sizes bank simple understand banks assuming data mechanism retrieve data memory bits wide computer expects bits asks data bandwidth wide motherboard links data parity ignore simple explaination bits bits means simm bank stores wide data simms linked wide data reason banks simms wide banks simms wide computer required wide data parity bits asts upgrade simm time hope message head answer question simple winqwk unregistered evaluation copy kmail arbor usenet gateway dial free usenet mail newsgroups pcboard uupcb kmail call member asad disk serving arbor 
distribution world organization arbor michigan reply robert desonia arbor robert desonia lines myth heard source trust machines computer shopper intel pretty busy pentium introducing competition heard rumor story differed intel coming tripling clock clone rumor pretty good source designs computer equipment wrong time hear rumor mill turning winqwk unregistered evaluation copy kmail arbor usenet gateway dial free usenet mail newsgroups pcboard uupcb kmail call member asad disk serving arbor 
simm speed distribution world organization arbor michigan reply robert desonia arbor robert desonia lines plug simms motherboard simms troubles heard machines problems slower recommended memory speeds faster plug simms speeds motherboard megs megs simms bank simms recommend mixing speeds bank safe side rdesonia winqwk unregistered evaluation copy kmail arbor usenet gateway dial free usenet mail newsgroups pcboard uupcb kmail call member asad disk serving arbor 
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transfer slow eisa ultrastor keywords scsi organization solace computer club sundsvall sweden lines phantom haktan bulut writes recently switched amiga computer configuration eisa micronics motherboard asic eisa harddisk scsi ultrastor eisa cache controller norton harddisk benchmark harddisk data transfer good thought eisa manual harddisk read host adapters perform level format optimize harddisk performance system transfer system faster speedier harddisk dont rely benchmarks show incorrect programs scsi driver speed card make card operating synchronus mode faster disable disconnect loose mouse diskaccesing scsi maxtor coretest sysinfo jens ejvinson nackstavagen internet asyvan sundsvall sweden sweden nope advanced computer technology 
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summary information local specification reply lance hartmann austin awdpa organization austin keywords local vesa lines article writes stuff deleted intel completely defined people long term solution larger fanout cheap complex chipset friend owns company builds clones shared fact chipset expensive money hungry clone makers doubt attempt price boards high technology lance hartmann lance hartmann austin awdpa percent sign network address statements comments opinions reflect author misconstrued matter 
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tangent computer eisa system nntp posting host lonestar utsa organization university texas antonio distribution lines dealt tangent system eisa backplane vesa slot video scsi contoller made aorta heard brand comment tangent controller david 
simm speed distribution world organization microelectronics products division company lines article hkok writes robert desonia robert desonia arbor wrote plug simms motherboard simms troubles heard machines problems slower recommended memory speeds faster trouble mixed expensive machine slowest simms clock speed eventhough cents thought machine jumpered cmos wait states speed installed motherboard sense speed installed call failing sort auto sense slower machine number wait states accomodate slow case memory slower rate reduce wait states chance slower faster crash putting faster speed things machine faster mixing fast slow slowed accomodate slow jiml mailer address buggy reply jiml ftcollinsco james lewczyk fort collins lewczyk 
tape drive problems reply whiles navy organization naval surface warfare center dahlgren division lines article uiuc husak uiuc stephen husak writes reply mail related colorado jumbo back system places employment eaten tapes winding tape spool easy tape drive fried simply cleaning comments appreciated stephen husak woke today depeche mode music masses stephen husak husak uiuc univerisity illinois tapes tapes unwound type batch reason bought generic tapes found tape markers fully punched closed marker hole tapes open tape cartridge tape back reels open removing screws bottom tape cartridge snap plastic shell metal base pulling tape assembly touch couple holes tape marker holes tape drive tape holes spaced couple inches guess drive finds marker stops marker tape holes check mirror tape clean function mirror detect marker holes tape drive shines light mirror pickup area reflection hole pickup detects light allowed pass stop mirror dirty alighment made case problem detecting tape tape drive tapes tapes good pickup sensor system failed dirty open drive door sensor assembly left head assembly clean drive serviced burned sensor warranty able send back repair scott hiles whiles nswc navy standard disclaimer opinions expressed necessarily reflect navy accept full responsibility 
rapid tech squeeze card organization howtek reply phil phil hunt mailer uaccess macintosh release lines card called rapid technology squeeze card dated crystal chip cube connectors ribbon type connector board board ideas phil phil hunt howtek internet phil uucp decvax harvard howtek phil 
organization university pennsylvania lines nntp posting host microlab upenn article iisakkil mika iisakkila wrote contract allowed sell chips parties chips machines months world computers restricted selling chips anymore clock tripled coprocessor great board cache make compatible chip upgrade dreams made taka mizutani takaharu upenn 
problem maxtor drive article organization hewlett packard lines nntp posting host hpmpec newsreader version responded mail tips good hearing earlier post disk controller acculogic side hard floppy controller jumpers defaulted shown normal delayed primary secondary floppy address single dual speed floppy primary secondary address precomp iochrdy driven drive controls iochrdy cards didn check brand serial parallel adapter logitech mouse adapter roland compatible midi interface configured default address opened removed cards changed normal delayed disk controller didn make difference iochrdy driven drive controls iochrdy effect back installed cards unplugged floppy drive cable disk controller voila booted power seconds access hard disk plug floppy cable back controller original boot behavior returns additional information netland words wisdom deal larry plugging byler 
board ports nntp posting host thufir organization university minnesota lines posting friend runs windows interested board ports post suggeted digiboard info give information boards mentioned configuration models specifications prices manufacturers robert walker walker computer science dept university minnesota 
limit keywords monitor question organization microtech software lines marka harris mark ashley writes latest magazine pentium issue editorial advantages eise vesa plain vesa supposedly users eventually bits access motherboard agree arguments writer claims glitches occur systems limit part understand motherboard problems talking explain problem masters address system memory masters system actual data transfer transfer data directly system roger gordius bagdad pride rpao rpao mivj 
hard disk question distribution world organization qube lines disassembled disk drives hard drive floppy drive questions drives drives hard drive floppy drives send advice comments aovai ocunix 
distribution organization technologies mississauga canada lines newsreader version note richards wrote devilbiss wrote works advertised disappointed speed intel internal modem telebit unix limited kbits unix link quantitative comparison file file kbyte uncompressed ascii text seconds scroll window modem link chars identical hardware procomm file takes seconds chars xview work unix access fine file scrolls seconds connection experiments byte file lines scenarios xview full screen window telix window telix full screen window standard telix windows window seamless window gave windows faster gave seamless window faster hitting space video card xview pretty good line line scrolling desktop pathetic full page redraws pretty good xview normal bold font small font difference times modem receive light pretty solidly bottleneck baud modem screen drawing richards uunet isgtec technologies airport mississauga canada 
boards nntp posting host monica oracle reply ebosco oracle organization oracle corp redwood shores disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle lines machine pheonix bios megabytes installed simms motherboard banks full space simms thinking running machine possibly linux windows helpful simms solution sell megs simms fact afford price entire process selling buying means machine number days avoid question boards plug free slot work machine sold space boards work device driver needed bios pickup extra simms mother board expansions slots bits simm memory bits wishful thinking appreciated eric ebosco oracle 
hard drive messed organization university wuerzburg germany newsreader version lines dave david uucp wrote vazzag gregory anthony vazzana writes howdy norton speeddisk optimize seagate problem persisted backed essential data decided reformat hard drive attempted clylinder head gave error message find sector access hard driv write information boot disks reformat hard drive error formatting hard drive press exit scan hard drive viruses access message error idea advance greg bios level format debug command xx xx address controller bios location work resort large magnet hard disk properly damage disclaimer responsible actions directly applying large magnet hard disk correctly magnet trick wipe hard disk completely level bios format succeed david china david uunet mimsy anagld david 
laserjet upgrades opinions originator larryhow austin organization austin lines current products upgrade resolution support postscript experiences good quality difference noticable planning producing camera ready copy homes higher resolution noticed 
vesa local originator guyd austin organization austin lines article gregof umontreal grego filippo writes fellow netters question vesa local speed benefit great wise spend local system controller graphic card normal server read article remember local hard disk controller performances greater disk throughtput fast peripherals cope bear mind stands video origional intention speed large memory memory transfers faster espically transfering data main memory video memory slots card makers making cards ethernet card move data card wait tickle free local cards times fast busses gregof umontreal dawson hoskyns group guyd hoskyns guyd austin 
happy gateway owner nntp posting host athansor organization lines article kbputt ingr putt writes expensive quality competitors rinstance bought system november tier vendor touch price hardware software combination good thing read midst gateway horror stories selling systems fast pissed customers ecstatic lots satisfied excellent return policy minimize mail order good thing replacements parts questions asked fedex impressive systems work vast majority cases remember people tails curve motivated write love hate hear folks middle rough edges doubt give good dollar quality components 
organization quarterdeck office systems santa monica distribution lines article lrxi kodak james nonnemacher writes experience netland make comments worthwhile upgrade problems hardware compatibility bugs found thing disk doubler included possiblity disk double file corrupted disk unreadable recover event file problem dblspace bill burge burge spot problem resolution prevention quarterdeck office systems qfax tech support support automated request info info system call compuserve quarterdeck handset 
scsi organization mexico state university cruces lines distribution world nntp posting host dante nmsu wlsmith heart wayne smith writes answer original question multi user mention made ether card disk data point view scsi advantage multi tasking data data drive scsi find faster drive computer faster cache system thought scsi good managing data multiple devices attached talking single drive explain scsi inherently faster managing data hard drive making mistake confusing drive interface data throughput interface info sheet sumex stanford info report compare expansion scsi external device expansion interface common device hard drive printer scanner nubus card expansion monitors apple developed specifications scsi controlers exact controller specifications results added incompatibilities machines main problem external devices internal terminated problems devises scsi port scsi chain supposed terminated begining problems scsi devices scsi controller asynchronous synchronous transfer base scsi requires scsi controler chip provide fast scsi wide scsi interfaces scsi scsi devices scsi controller scsi mode scsi fully scsi complient implimented fast scsi controller interface hardware expendsive software transfer speeds burst burst burst wide fast scsi scsi mode limited devices reduced fast throughput difference scsi wide scsi ports interfaces limited hard drives design lack development integrated device electronics common standard medium sized drives hard drive asynchronous transfer lowest setting scsi interface asynchronous scsi mode averages maximum asynchronous mode full scsi mode blows poor window street garbage problem drive mechanisim rates bottleneck cost scsi interface drive mechanisims scsi cost scsi interface fulliling prophisy people scsi expencive turn convices makes mass producing scsi reduce cost unwarented scsi expencive effect rule scale items sold item bare brunt cost manufacture item cost scsi drive mechanisims limited drive limits 
memory slot problem organization suny college oswego oswego lines article ralf ralph valentino writes finally decided upgrade eisa memory months parts warranty anigma motherboard months late problem slots bank boot pattern test failure address system deconfigures sims good rotating bank configurations pattern test deletions failed tests pattern appeared pattern place leads connector address pins fault luck patchable ralph ralph valentino ralf ralf hardware engineer worcester polytechnic institute center high performance computing marlborough motherboards jumpers enable disable memory banks check allen mulvey mulvey oswego 
purchasing nntp posting host wind bellcore reply jchen bellcore organization bell communications research lines time microprocessor buzz terms hardware purchase questions motherboard additonal slot vesa local video able unix questions ensure quality stuff important features monitor interlaced svga brand afford sony brands acer touch video card framemaker fast video card western digital worth cirrus logic company wanted local video card normal hard drive segate western digital conner price liable performace case power supply choise desktop minitower adequate power supply cooling general problem issue features miss semi literates reading group greatly appreciated jason chen 
vesa local organization mexico state university cruces lines distribution world nntp posting host dante nmsu guyd dawson writes ethernet card move data card wait tickle quickring apple implimentation byte quickring interesting interleaving card divided cards time nubus card interfaces able kind speed nubus ditzes burst mode called micro channel computer talk fast components involved handle incompatible eisa planned interface powerpc carl jabido handle speed mind quickrings speed eisa pokes nubus speeds burst mode quickring slowed competing interface development 
eisa distribution comp organization university gallen switzerland lines article firman writes article casey wharton upenn shawn casey writes question familiar eisa sytem configurations switch boards eisa board cards system work problem interupt problems board continue eisa board understanding eisa board able handle conficts running windows problem running network telnet windows running system kicks windows confict windows assume memory address problems happen boards switched base memory eisa mother board eisa cards computer system slower board cards bill nonsense cards eisa system problem speed system luke 
original specs organization delft university technology lines article hoffmamc writes hard drive type controller added recommend full height hard drive trouble supply oomph spool heavy platters system floppy drive hard disk watt power supply disconnect power floppy drive turn notice hard drive real difficult time speed manages booting finished plug floppy drive work user friendly buying watt power supply willem 
controller question organization delft university technology lines article paulf marlboro writes access floppy drive level lower bios port assignments controller chip spec sheet info floppy able write code works disks method access read individual bytes track stream controller afraid sector handling purely hardware chance basic access point direction file archie called theref lots info things detailed description floppy controller commands hard drive controller commands read entire track including gaps sector headers setting sector size large willem 
adding hard drive original keywords hard drive organization delft university technology lines article schuster michael schuster writes article goolsbey utexas keith goolsbey writes original hard drive questions bios hard drive sell complete package mail suggestions hard drive mail bios support bios extensions hard disk controller hard card trick proper bios date norton similar program find correct switch settings controller pain proper docs hardware contained inside 
western digital info needed organization oakland university rochester michigan lines nntp posting host vela oakland recently loaned older work option adding additional western digital hard drive machine existing drive western digital working fine documentation configuring master slave relationship drive setup drive formatted tandy eventually upgrade drives model number circa head drives note exact configuration current bios work setting head write landing zone pairs jumper pins back presume setting master slave originally drive machine suggested back master middle jumper slave booted reinitialize puke accessing drive flicker times drive error problem simple drive formatted person actual format unformatted drive great fully appreciated number western digital good swood hunting michigan despair closed season opossum porcupine weasel squirrel skunk starlings feral pigeons english sparrows ground squirrel woodchuck trout season opens saturday month 
organization university pennsylvania lines nntp posting host compstat wharton upenn reply hamilton govt message article hamilton govt michael hamilton writes switch understand local devices mother board local slots told systems vesa local standard order provide systems local slot capability definitly mother board local slots claimed able support including throw informed light issue check peripheral makers boards work motherboards tony catone wharton upenn 
intelligent serial organization monash university melb australia newsreader lines bill writes serial port modem things modem computer upgrade modem changing hear isdn europe able beautiful isdn modems pice someday bidirectional bill davidsen corp center schenectady curent united states standard isdn kbit suppose whats kbit christopher kuperman holistic systems consultant email zork monash fish teach fish 
difference simms organization project glue university maryland college park lines distribution world nntp posting host paxsunc difference simms detailed information origin types simms preferably magazine review aricle group covers simms information direct information appreciated sincerely dept univ maryland yjwu 
organization tools gmbh bonn germany lines nntp posting host tools reply pbartok novell message article pbartok novell peter bartok writes great effort talent noticed program upload anonymous sites people novell incoming small programme switch suncd drive bytes block mode msdos adaptec apsi novell adaptec cdblksize juergen keil uunet mcsun unido tools 
gateway posting distribution organization georgia institute technology lines thought contribute gateway thread spleen venting scenario ordered ultrastor local controller receive system days ordering happy discover ultrastor controller inside unhappy call gateway receive correct controller days happier controller work unhappy call gateway controller days cooling sight controller work motherboard unhappy gateway solution order motherboard days site service install work service people work blown hours hold time work return period able thin minutes thing back extremely upset began post support told shipping returned system hard drive controllers fortunately spoke customer service pick gratis downside order computer gateway turned prospect customer service tech support products great part beginning savings worth potential aggravation mail order companies difficult contact gateway booming good reason feel mark devaney hear georgia institute technology atlanta georgia internet markd gatech 
daptec problem organization turku school economics news reader news lines recently suffered problems adaptec controller problem floppy disk drive work apparently jumpers controller affect floppy disk drive located lower front corner jumpers possibly located problem hard disks refuse boot scsi rodime miniscribe message missing operating system disks formatted controller damn operating system boot quantum version information incombatible memory drivers jumpers affect causing errors advance jouni jouni marttila turku finland jmarttila jmarttila abovax jmarttila jjmartti finger jmarttila 
tape backup question organization molecular simulations newsreader version posted asteroid nntp posting host columbia lines folks archive internal tape drive pretty comparable colorado jumbo floppy drives system small card accelerated made archive attach tape drive floppy device problem based qicstream software works fine norton central point backup programs windows fail switch machine turbo speed eisa software works hardware problem similar problems solutions advance jerry shekhel molecular simulations time fades pages drummers burlington book memories rhythm jerry guns roses 
gateways misc info organization netcom line communication services guest newsreader version distribution lines terry clark tclark weeg uiowa wrote upgrade nanao monitor handle vertical refresh nanao gateway told thing phil phil spiro spiro 
recommendations local cached controller organization michigan state university college engineering lines distribution nntp posting host eecae hear wisdom opinions controllers liek controller card motherboard good options preferably work compatible stacker disk compression advise divya divya live long slow horrible death confucius wanted 
tape backup windows organization harris lauderdale lines nntp posting host harris complete solution scsi controller ultrastor tape drive archive windows program work intended system plain controllers longer hear scsi world organized tape backup setup describe mail marka harris 
refresh rates nntp posting host csclass utdallas organization univ texas dallas lines maximum horizontal vertical refresh rates 
problem gateway organization university wisconsin chemistry computing center distribution lines gateway elite series ethercard ncsa send gateway hash turned hash marks immediately computer drags turn internal cache speed match speed receive gateway matter send gateway hash marks extreme slowness cache disabled gateway purchased june respond directly slow news system 
soundblaster port settings organization santa monica college santa monica lines article vargish sura nicholas vargish writes soundblater card supposed share parallel printer interface general scheme works conflicts depend software origin games bitchy interrupt solution switch interrupt unreserved contemporary computers drives architechture computer completely stable play mods wavs linux free architecture machines problems games disadvantage games assume board adjust setting trouble lucas films games peter geltner administrative dean computing santa monica college santa monica california 
references needed memory management distribution organization georgia institute technology lines report topic advanced memory management good references cover topic analytical chemistry class instrumental analysis guess extremely extensive covering topic chemical engineer memory management point good direction thankful advance bleazard gatech school chemical engineering georgia institute technology atlanta 
organization university southern california angeles lines distribution nntp posting host phakt article richards writes devilbiss wrote brought xview windows version modem link unix system installation easy program called xremote unix host total software cost seat educational pricing software packages strapped cash eugene richards uunet isgtec technologies airport mississauga canada eugene heuge university southern california freaking yeah yeah santa victim kroq detective undercover 
happy gateway owner organization university illinois urbana lines pastor paramax pastor writes vast majority cases remember people tails curve motivated write love hate hear folks middle rough edges doubt give good dollar quality components middle road owners satisfied system share problems corrections phone conversations satisfied money stephen husak woke today depeche mode music masses stephen husak husak uiuc univerisity illinois 
wanted chipset info nntp posting host bram reply phill bram phil longstaff organization motorola codex mississauga ontario lines motherboard byte memory manager downloaded trial reports chipset addtech pcchip chipset able activate segments ff umbs video bios write driver activate memory programming information chip phil 
wanted opinions nanao monitor summary wanted opinions nanao monitor organization iowa state university ames distribution lines monitor decide monitor version triniton tube nanao mind specification problems monitor related opinions buying monitor welcomed advance mang 
monitor news software vishnepolsky rogers lines reply kaul organization watson research dhosek claremont hosek writes recommended monitor svga monitor needed curious blowing monster cash system original interlaced compatible idea prefer multi syncs necs fixed frequency monitor home viewsonic multisyncs easy modes colors noninterlaced higher modes dick kaul opinions official positions development make wear suit speak boca raton shh maestro decomposing kaul 
organization network management technology lines article hamilton govt michael hamilton writes definitly mother board local slots claimed able support including throw informed light issue michael hamilton motherboards support option bios additional wait added regard transactions slows rate device time thing wait applied transacts device enable wait devices reading motherboard manual interpre tations mileage vary strictly speaking compatable fudge mechanism physically work gary korenek korenek network management technology incorporated ferranti international controls corp sugar land texas 
vote comp programmer porting setup multimedia bugs organization university texas antonio lines nntp posting host rodan attention voters problem mailbox voting check vote acknowlegement address send vote check voted introduction final call votes creation newsgroups renaming create comp programmer porting unmoderated renaming comp programmer comp programmer misc unmoderated comp setup unmoderated comp multimedia unmoderated comp bugs unmoderated attempt creating comp programmer porting comp setup renaming comp programmer comp programmer misc attempt failed summer voting deadline august voting rules state attempt creating newsgroups started month waiting period case march attempt creating comp multimedia comp bugs document background showing proposals proposed charters proposals voting instructions voting ballot ballots voting rules voting schedule mass acknowledgement background creation free compilers read comp programmer details spurred continuing deluge software ported unix platforms 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programmer misc newsgroup programmers discuss programming issues technical aspects unmoderated setting create comp setup unmoderated devoted system setup topics including availability device drivers compatibility information installation procedures system requirements performance optimization create comp multimedia unmoderated provide forum discussion multi media issues create comp bugs unmoderated provide forum system reports diagnosis work arounds availability system patches corrective service disks note discussion bugs applications belong newsgroups discussion bugs betas belong comp beta vote cast vote fill ballot mail newsreaders mail replying post send ballot edit rest post type vote proposal favor charter proposed oppose charter proposed abstain leave blank type family comma personal ballot delete lines ballot mail ballot mlevis utsa central time april ballot comp programmer porting comp programmer misc comp setup comp multimedia comp bugs voter mail ballot mlevis utsa april 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scsi organization john robarts research institute london ontario nntp posting host valve heart lines article bgrubb nmsu grubb writes point view scsi advantage multi tasking data data drive scsi find faster drive computer faster cache system thought scsi good managing data multiple devices attached talking single drive explain scsi inherently faster managing data hard drive integrated device electronics common standard medium sized drives hard drive asynchronous transfer start spec sheet quote scsi specs till blue face exceed capability point limited megs perform lowest setting scsi interface asynchronous scsi mode averages maximum asynchronous mode full scsi mode blows poor window street garbage implimented system problem drive mechanisim rates bottleneck cost scsi interface drive mechanisims scsi original question scsi single hard drive controller scsi drive megs scsi choice make sence megs scsi drive cost cost scsi interface fulliling prophisy people scsi expencive turn convices makes mass producing scsi reduce cost unwarented scsi expencive effect rule scale items sold item bare brunt cost manufacture item cost original cart back original card scsi stood coming price talking sparc favorite unix workstation millions buying decisions years scsi plenty time price argue scsi standard makes good implimented data highway intrinsically multi tasking managing data single scsi hard drive 
ethernet organization university denver dept math comp follow poster lines dear standard connection ethernet card router modem working able ping finger telnetd time crashes randomly greatly appreciated suspect hardware conflict running ethernet card configured ports advance questions send mail elliott 
date stuck organization vital software services oxnard lines date stuck running menu system alive time machine left running time suddenly date longer rolls time accurate allways change date hand morning involves exiting menu system slightest idea clue hardware battery cmos broken kevin gorman kevin uucp kevin kosman uucp voice vital computer systems beachcomber oxnard disclaimer boss stands 
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speed nntp posting host spot colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article robert desonia arbor robert desonia writes param bios setup clock specs cards fast fact back acts weird unexplainable floppy drive errors modem locks video problems overdrive thing check error system pretty safe overdrive long cards work flawlessly suggest backing playing problems soundblaster zoom controller work fine simply past post routines doubt damage playing allen 
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conner problem organization freshman electrical computer engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew recently norton disk surface test realize slow harddisk accessing begining test harddisk checked speed surface test scaned half harddisk tremendous slow occured expected time operation jump minutes harddisk tools check physical damage harddisk report turn surface test slow section disk turn back original speed section wondering harddisk problem problems comment appriciate shane cheney wang 
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phar organization brock university catharines ontario newsreader version lines spectre spectre wrote phar chip executing virtual mode control program turn program order extender protected mode means shows compuadd express program matlab maple msdos nada memory appears virus check spectre spectre world illusions richard illusions understand donald shimoda problem autocad noems switch allocate problem 
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scsi organization mexico state university cruces lines distribution world nntp posting host dante nmsu wlsmith heart wayne smith writes megs scsi drive cost quadra able deal hard drives start idea external scsi scsi price hard drive size assume world argue scsi standard makes good implimented data highway intrinsically multi tasking managing data single scsi hard drive scsi floppy drive interface scsi inteface card modem keyboard device floppy drive called identifiers cross drive interfacing fast program scsi drive handle shows quatra line scsi floppy drive happen scsi drives printers scanners expandsion cards showed nubus cage hard drives specs find advertizments call interface make scsi jack trades master puts scsi scsi blows water remember scsi high priced machines months prices earth rule scale played scsi remained high cost cheap chezzy high computer world times proably scsi statosphere price wise scsi high computer world multitasking standard part interface choose scsi mode scsi multi tasking desined interface scsi braindead program interfaces scsi 
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problem adaptec scsi jumbo tape drive summary problem jumbo tape drive adaptec scsi working keywords scsi jumbo adaptec tape nntp posting host extro organization sydney university computing service sydney australia lines replaced existing scsi controller adaptec trouble restoring jumbo tape drive trouble installing adaptec recognises scsi drive existing drive restore backups jumbo tape found extremely slow estimated time mins actual time trouble restoring tape drive remember reading settings changed enable jumbo drive adaptec work find mention manuals system config adaptec running fujitsu scsi controller running jumbo running floppy controller appreciated ronaldm mastus ronaldm mariposa phone work bilgola plateau home australia mastus ronaldm mariposa phone work bilgola plateau 
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problem adaptec scsi jumbo tape drive reply darrylo organization hewlett packard center primal scream therapy newsreader version lines mastus ronaldm wrote replaced existing scsi controller adaptec trouble restoring jumbo tape drive document wrote time back slightly date released darryl okahata internet darrylo disclaimer message author personal opinion constitute support opinion policy hewlett packard green adaptec darrylo darrylo hints tips adaptec scsi adapter document hints tips adaptec scsi adapter work hardware software packages based experiences adaptec controller note guarantee works information document possibly lose files hard disk important back entire contents hard disk based information document copyright darryl okahata document freely copied personal reprinted profit publication consent author note connection adaptec customer topics covered document windows enhanced mode floppy controller based tape backup devices sound cards miscellaneous info note parts document technical terse descriptions problems reference adaptec technical support adaptec send comments corrections email compuserve internet darrylo windows enhanced mode windows install program automatically configure windows adaptec case wrong describe needed windows working noticed installing windows makes slower running windows methods speeding discussed section called windows runs slowly msdos configuration windows install program adds smartdrive disk cache config autoexec files follow instructions notice double buffering smartdrive default setup notice system runs slower windows msdos section called windows runs slowly ways speeding system windows configuration adaptec work windows make section system file entry virtualhdirq windows install program automatically adds entry system work adding lines virtualhdirq systemrombreakpoint false emmexclude cff lines systemrombreakpoint entry enable support memory managers qemm needed programs windows runs slowly windows running chances system running slower happen aspi version config file congratulations appears winning solution lucky luck hold remains system running slower caused smartdrive double buffering windows documentation microsoft technical note smartdrive double buffering required aspi smartdrive double buffering enabled works slows estimated slowed factor unacceptable looked solutions disable double buffering windows enhanced mode work destroy contents hard disk windows drivers provide double buffering opinion unbelievable slowness smartdrive caused horribly inefficient double buffering smartdrive driver services stands virtual services standard supported windows mastering disk controllers work windows trashing hard disk countless times found solutions require smartdrive note occasional parity errors caused solutions require smartdrive kind disk cache utility strongly recommended makes windows faster aspi driver aspi functions controlling cdrom tape drive physical hard disks scsiha driver config file driver scsiha windows option driver loaded memory loaded high memory occupies november scsiha driver obtained adaptec aspi functions aspi driver version aspi scsiha drivers config file driver aspi driver scsiha amazingly scsiha driver loaded high assuming thought crash system doesn asked adaptec technical support loading scsiha high fine long aspi loaded system scsiha aspi occasionally windows crash restarting exiting windows additional result corrupted disk windows files corrupted crashes occurred making program progman default windows shell vice versa reason scsiha absolutely idea scsiha versions aspi earlier note people aspi scsiha problems people lucky sorts problems opinion necessarily easiest solution upgrade aspi scsiha driver longer needed previous aspi upgrades adaptec aspi driver adaptec ways copy november adaptec scsi driver supposedly includes aspi drivers cdrom drivers list price copy older version aspi supposedly contact adaptec upgrade scsi copy aspi included central point tools msdos note documentation driver stored directories note aspi included cdrom drivers drivers support hard disks included obtained copy aspi note occasional parity errors windows probability defective hardware causing upgraded motherboard found solutions parity errors occur disk accesses small definite possibility parity errors driver related changing timing disk transfers memory tests hours time tests found problems problem caused memory marginal timing requirements parity errors disk transfers memory tests find problems problems show disk mentioning case hardware problem floppy controller based tape backup devices problems adaptec floppy controller based tape backup device colorado memory systems jumbo tape backups restores long time tape drive constantly starts stops starts stops tape operations erratic encounter tape errors problem caused defective hardware heard people similar problems mentioning case hardware problem tape backups restores long time floppy controller based tape backup device adjust adaptec timing results tape drive tape backup restore tape drive motor continuously running occasional pause default timing adaptec tape drive motor start stop start stop seconds needless wear tape tape drive note dirty tape head defective tape drive make tape heads clean tape backup restore longer problem tape backups floppy transfer data memory tape drive adaptec transfer data memory hard disk floppy feed data tape drive rate tape drive data quickly floppy tape drive stops rewinds restarts data eventually default timing adaptec timing large backup data transferred hard disk memory memory tape default timing adaptec hogs memory time spent transferring data hard disk memory time spent transferring data memory tape drive result tape drive constantly starts stops data quickly solution change adaptec timing default factory setting microseconds microseconds timing lowered microseconds ways aspi option timing microseconds means line config file device aspi note space aspi recourse find program called setscsi difficult find reason adaptec reasons widely distributed asked worked adaptec asked upload anonymous access internet archie hunt copy couple sites find copy setscsi adjusts timing microseconds running setscsi arguments resets timing back factory defaults note setscsi aspi setscsi crashed system aspi loaded setscsi scsiha lower timing microseconds increase microseconds lower hard disk throughput suddenly drop system feel slower microseconds works fine work fine adjust lowered timing tape backups restores faster experiment times options intentionally combinations parity errors worse starving memory refresh program called bustifix exists adaptec upgraded checked extracting archive batch file couple files batch file supposed times running program system crashed time running scsiha check conflict program works docs works erratic tape operations tape errors problem exist existed system hardware problem heard people similar problems mentioning case hardware problem symptoms problem persists cleaning tape head backing tape encounters unusable sector detected errors resulting aborted tape backup tape backup works tape compare fails tape drive starts stops starts stops unlike mentioned problem tape backups restores long time tape drive starts stops seconds kind starting stopping occurs seconds fastback find tape backup devices programs central point backup jumbo software assuming jumbo tape drive find tape drive fastback tape read errors causing problem discovered floppy controller solves months upgraded motherboard contained integrated floppy controller floppy controller initially disabled motherboard floppy controller decided disabling floppy controller motherboard tape drive jumbo reliability increased dramatically fastback suddenly able find tape drive caused hardware problem hand floppy drives worked great attached wrong hand tape drive work attached floppy controller work attached controller indication hardware problem change floppy drive cables conceivable problem cables similar problems floppy controller sound cards popular sound cards play record digitized sound typically tape drive adaptec conflict sound card unlike tape conflict manifests parity error system crashes parity error message data transferred quickly sound card adaptec memory refresh occur quickly parity error parity error means hardware problem system case parity error symptom hardware found parity errors typically occur recording digitized sound chances errors increase increase recording fidelity higher sampling rate recording stereo recording bits tape drive solution solution lower adaptec timing section tape drives information note solve problem reduce probability parity error software record digitized sound greatly affect problem software inefficient disk caches speed hard disk amount disk fragmentation affect miscellaneous info section miscellaneous hints tips rumors information heard read verified information correct risk qemm parameter aspi driver qemm crash hang bootup qemm manual mentions install program detect present automatically option qemm command line occurred qemm install program tested version earlier versions qemm parameter version earlier aspi give qemm parameter versions support hard disks gigabyte size support hard disks capacities bios adaptec true latest sold adaptec connect cdrom drive scsi cdrom drive drivers note cdrom drives proprietary interfaces scsi drives choices cdrom drivers idea solutions work work secondhand information adaptec scsi driver package lists older adaptec drivers supposedly upgrade scsi contact adaptec details scsi package supposedly corelscsi driver package made people make coreldraw package cdrom drivers scsi tape drivers worm drivers list price package sold note corelscsi aspi driver needed aspi adaptec scsi method obsolete drivers obsoleted adaptec scsi mentioning case drivers drivers adaptec aspi aspi cdrom drivers copy mscdex high level cdrom driver included bulletin boards scsi tape drive software talk scsi tape drive software heard section cdrom drives idea solutions work work secondhand information central point tools msdos supposedly supports large number scsi tape drives scsi drivers aspi central point backup corelscsi driver package scsi tape backup program section cdrom drives details note corelscsi requires aspi advertisements sell configurations scsi controller hard disk bios scsi controller bios adaptec aspi drivers scsi controller bios adaptec aspi drivers corelscsi drivers programs imagine adaptec sells fourth configuration scsi controller bios scsi drivers including aspi drivers people unix interested version msdos talks scsi tape drive aspi driver driver program version heard works anonymous access internet copy found wsmr simtel army mirror sites aspibin scsi tape drives adaptec aspipat patches aspibin relative aspisrc scsi tape adaptec ctrlr idea copy found compuserve unixforum forum msdos concerned controllers msdos work hardware boards identical msdos program initially work work version unix case curious edited copy config file files buffers break stacks device aspi device qemm qemm ff high devicehigh nnansi devicehigh setver shell command note qemm aspi aspi config looked files buffers break stacks device aspi device qemm qemm ff high devicehigh scsiha devicehigh nnansi devicehigh setver shell command aspi looked files buffers break stacks device scsiha device qemm qemm ff high devicehigh nnansi devicehigh setver shell command floppy controller based tape drive planned record high quality sound sound card changing adaptec times versions config care version doesn local variables fill column eval auto fill mode 
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mode organization texas instruments lines article wong webo wong writes finally vesa driver graphics ultra driver waiting months view mode lines picture picture fine wrong card software user edward wong internet wong webo telephone cannon 
scsi organization mexico state university cruces lines distribution world nntp posting host dante nmsu writes article bgrubb nmsu grubb magazine april scsi fasst esdi faster support devices acceptance long stalled incompatability problems installation headaches love magazine writers make stupid statements performance numbers list actual performance ranges convince statement absurd scsi ranges scsi ranges ranges esdi standard versions shows scsi scsi scsi controler chip range scsi scsi scsi controller chip burst note increase speed quadra version scsi exist scsi scsi mode burst scsi wide fast mode burst scsi wide fast burst data scsi fast esdi correct scsi controller chip scsi reach faster scsi facts posted newsgroup info sheet sumex stanford info report compare version part problem inconsiant scsi documented quadra scsi chip apple salesperson fast scsi chip burst scsi maximum synchronous quadra ansynchronous scsi slower scsi interface scsi scsi interface driven machine scsi controller chip mode faster true scsi slam article understand reference quadra scsi controller chip digital review 
booting drive organization kansas state university lines nntp posting host matt djweisbe amherst david weisberger writes drive drive make system boot drive optimally computer able boot checking order bootable disk switch cables simply switch drives boot disks boot trick davebo setup pressing ctrl ctrl printscreen give option drives boot 
sound organization loral software productivity lines read couple weeks article desribed play sound soundblaster save article articles purged system whomever posted article detailing connect wires post specifically connect wires speaker card advance carl 
gateway nntp posting host hpcvccl organization hewlett packard company corvallis oregon lines playing gateway local machine night apparent windows give option access virtual memory permanent swap file disk drive local interface expected investigating option appears scott linn scott 
question serial mouse working notebook organization philips research laboratories eindhoven netherlands lines happen serial mouse pins working notebook kind mouse connection serial parallel interfaces manual drivers result left buttons recognized mouse movement shortcut wires mouse eddy zondag philips research egzondag philips 
laserjet upgrades opinions organization ford motor company research laboratory lines nntp posting host slee ford newsreader larryhow wrote current products upgrade resolution support postscript experiences good quality difference noticable planning producing camera ready copy homes higher resolution noticed talking laser postscript advantage peice hardware plugged work support language suited capable handling specifications experience laser master winjet brings postscript fast print mode postscript lower resolution fast product host processor process postscript decent slow slow compared high workstation processed quality difference noticable worth wait processing impatient camera images gray scale image accepted word handed winjet printer driver converts image postscript hands winjets postscript processor postscript rendered lots shoots directly printer processor accept files created sources including applications windows running time printing processor responsible halftoning pretty good camera images good opinion good laser master demo similar products surprised gordon lang 
tandberg future domain seagate problem distribution comp organization university pennsylvania lines nntp posting host mipgsun mipg upenn system work tandberg future domain seagate controller system boots tandberg disconnected system scsi devices found scsi devices system boots seagate controller removed system future domain card reports finding tandberg scsi system stops booting hard disks found system hangs tandberg future domain seagate controller system conflict seagate future domain card funny thing hangs tandberg connected checked conflict bios addresses port missed lost suggestions welcomed advance delman delman medical image processing group university pennsylvania blockley hall service drive philadelphia internet delman upenn 
logitech button mouse bios routines availability organization purdue university engineering computer network lines newsgroups comp hardware subject logitech button mouse bios routine availability distribution world organization purdue university engineering computer network logitech button mouse interface serial port compatible system mouse compatible connector reverse engineer mouse micro controller inside copy bios routines support target system bios routines routines published someplace convenient silvio send email directly 
booting drive organization ford motor company research laboratory lines nntp posting host slee ford newsreader david weisberger djweisbe amherst wrote drive drive make system boot drive optimally computer able boot checking order bootable disk switch cables simply switch drives boot disks boot trick davebo issue plague months gateway finally tired permanently interchanged drives reason place bootable based install disks expected drive order software upgrades number stupid install programs handle alternate drive declining time upgraded bootable replacements switching drives option able wire drive switch computer chasis work long wired carefully gordon lang 
soundblaster port settings lines nntp posting host pittpa cray organization cray research newsreader version cybard dudek buffalo wrote uzun william roger uzun writes soundblaster board jumpered port conflict parallel port controller multi board port board choose safe motherboards recently adding modem computer noticed card problem wondering thought conflict explanation explain share huot huot 
organization zeos international distribution comp hardware zeos general zeos announce lines today longer contact zeos international responsibility tech davidm moving money money wanted netters supported encouraged participation zeos personally feel important companies zeos provide customers easy access questions problems step direction hope companies follow suit weitek erickson zz ee ss zeos international support inet technical support dept uunet zeos support uucp industrial blvd opinions expressed minneapolis zz ee ss 
installing older compaq organization aerospace corporation segundo lines distribution world nntp posting host aerospace aero install donated hard disk miniscribe vintage supercheap ancient compaq education problem supercheap compaq manual able figure start setup program began invented couple basic questions class computers setup programs access good advice proceed mail watching newsgroup postings advance robert robert luke internet luke aerospace corporation compuserve danger robinson 
zeos computers organization colorado springs division lines distribution world nntp posting host reptile mspeed utexas matthew speed writes purchasing system zeos computers people give feedback quality products customer service advice systems people advance bought system years satisfied zeos computer grad school replaced mbhd diamond viper level cache tower upgrades delete monitor monitor employee purchase great system fast quiet solidly built single glitch bringing tech support busier years called configuration question called back hours answer slight premium gateway prices imho zeos worth lines busy signal calling sales customer service tech support wait minutes talk queue wait dime devilbiss 
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info high quality video card organization rmit department computer science lines info video card video card deliver high quality picture card display images advertising company rich colors speed fast wondering advise application address vendor advance glenn jayaputera 
comments accelerated video card organization kansas state university lines nntp posting host matt accelerated video card svga monitor running windows future make suggestion video card suit diamond speedstar stealth kent 
monitor sync keywords monitor lines organization distribution obvious question current batch windows accelerator cards diamond drive monitor horizontal vertical sync jacks altogether connectors back able ahold raster technologies monitor cheap wondering connect adapter gateway drivers mike scanlon reply scanlon 
sale decpc sxlp lines organization stevens institute technology sale decpc sxlp good condition year intel hard disk super color monitor button mouse floppy disk drive software microsoft microsoft windows microsoft works windows borland turbo pascal borland turbo system send mail interested 
monitors nntp posting host bcarh organization bell northern research newsreader version lines tony catone catone wharton upenn wrote article goyal mohit goyal writes yeah read newsgroup high quality trinitron tube monitors sony extra cost high bandwidth fantastic image large image size annoying lines screen thirds lines result high trinitron tube wires found trinitron tubes mitsubishi sony sony tubes find wire level annoyance purely subjective happy sharpness notice lines trinitron tube viewed complete tube larger diameter standard trinitron tube results flatter screen monitors standard trinitron vertically flat horizontally flat surface apparently ability provide tighter beam focus karl tracy blomquist mail tracyb consultant opinions bell northern research ottawa 
soundblaster port settings organization tampere university technology computing centre lines distribution inet nntp posting host huot huot writes explanation explain share simply share anssi anssi saari tampere university technology finland europe 
scsi originator guyd austin organization austin lines article bgrubb nmsu grubb writes magazine april scsi fasst esdi faster support devices acceptance long stalled incompatability problems installation headaches note site factor price premium approx controller nice able hard disks tape drives roms scanners channel interupt scsi makes sense load machine standard windows makes sense loaded scsi unix standard runs windows standard disk video article plug play scsi article plug play scsi scsi full implimentation devices beleive plain wrong scsi intergration sited part microsoft plug play program dawson hoskyns group guyd hoskyns guyd austin 
orchid fahrenheit mini review organization adobe systems incorporated newsreader version lines purchased viewsonic orchid short happy monitor unhappy card spent time futzing card write monitor pretty moires simcity magnavox heavy thought monitor bitch session test results modern trend orchid card supports colors mode driver breaks program svga modes roms compudyne whiplash orchid fahrenheit orchid share limitation cards means problem weitek chip support hercules graphite card modes test cases boards time able print splash screen grolier encyclopedia cards printed hash suspect svga modes supported supported resolutions annoy driver monitors listed generic choose generic high refreshes limited hardware able support bandwidth able higher vertical resolution main reason bought card orchid higher graphics modes crash dashboard phone orchid drivers unable recreate problem side tech helpful booted program computer verify problem limited refresh board faster ofvlb things hercules speedy program program tests operations reports results pixels numbers graphite card close half ofvlb slower running numbers comparable numbers obtained motherboard chipset memory give ranges program reports numbers computes tend jump means thousand means million pixels orchid fahrenheit orchid chip weitek screen memory screen screen screen vector solid vector styled polygon shaded polygon hatched ternary rops font screen test takes device independent bitmap face transfers screen idea internally conversions memory screen takes face copies screen guess rasterized bitmap copied video display screen screen test copies face place place screen awesome interestingly solid vectors shaded polygons show improvement hatched polygons filled cross hatching ternary rops graphics operations xors dead loss give numbers fonts caching fonts drawn screen fairly slowly speed ofvlb speed increases dramatically sounds programming benchmark make claims numbers computer write disclaimers time testing totally unconnected work program unix decstations completely knowledge blessing equipment company geoff sherwood 
question connect harddisk controller summary connect harddisk controller keywords harddisk controller nntp posting host gene organization university amsterdam lines victor harddisk controller toshiba controller additional pins connector busses harddisk controller wires wires controller connectors wire wire harddisk friend mine wondered connect harddisk controller room wire wire solve problem suggestions info mail luttik 
video card address organization umcc arbor lines distribution nntp posting host umcc umcc umich based video card system company sells card coexist color text monitor fast color graphics configurable address 
switch organization university pennsylvania lines nntp posting host eniac seas upenn switch floppy drives drive problems ribbon cable switched cmos settings reflect change correctly drives operate correctly configuration prompt type drive light type light drives jumpers drive label original changed suggestions greatly appreciated advance eric balog balog seas upenn 
select backup solution organization software engineering institute lines netters purchasing sort backup solution read situation opinion scenario computers house small drive scsi drive adaptec controller systems tools central point backup backup restore program systems floppies computers networked anytime solutions thought options hearing sees flaws drive type coexist device thinking beasts floppy drives combination drive system supply cost brand information good brand floppies cost internal tape backup unit scsi adapter continue back floppies recommend manufacturers brand remember colorado memories happy unhappy users compression controversy connect external tape backup unit scsi adapter connect suggestions install floptical drive machine gotcha recommendations manufacturers post send mail summarize responses george george pandelios internet software engineering institute usenet avenue voice pittsburgh disclaimer opinions reflect software engineering institute sponsors customers clients affiliates carnegie mellon university fact resemblence opinions individual living dead fictional real purely coincidental 
video problems organization university toronto chemistry department lines monitor greysale trident card screen great windows total shit lots lines image sorta blurry monitor interlaced paul davies pdavies chem utoronto 
comments video blaster creative labs organization wordperfect corporation orem lines article writes heiser bill heiser writes article randy randy suess rites video blaster work graphics ultra work system video blaster alternatives removing memory hows thing wailer gates dawn banshee ucsc calling froofroo head friend beast banshee ucsc banshee bitnet good perfer watchit windows windows good watchit work local video work high reolution modes people make card assure card june supports local company makes watchit phone internet michael grant mikgr mikgr uunet 
joysticks slow organization university illinois urbana lines lioness circa writes read joystick hideously slow time spent reading joystick program printf joyread problem programs trap smartdrv slow hell interface read joystick port safe fashion polling platform clockspeed specific joystick reads anolog values digital port send command port read time long takes joystick port time proportional joystick position time position ridiculus waste time wrote routine bios speed time john slagel left slagel shitty world chase buses women left marlboro 
fujitsu seagate drive compatibility organization school biological sciences university bath lines fujitsu hard disk circa share card seagate fiddling jumpers master slave drives success table hard drive specs newsgroup combination work place muttered hmm fujitsu nice drives compatible swap seagate brand thought problem fujitsu similar fujitsu drive work cheapish disk cute cuddly fujitsu drive andrew henry bspahh bath 
memory access time sram simms sale organization mind link british columbia canada lines elliston writes posted organization compact solutions canberra australia sram thinking michael memory static speed rating sram needed refresh time make fast dram chip return valid data issued address refresh time sram pointed parameter generally referred motherboard designers cheers elliston bachelor engineering computer engineering university canberra email canberra uucp uunet munnari sserve adfa compsol root fidonet train station train stops workstation origin compact solutions canberra australia doug vancouver canada doug 
asus motherboards nntp posting host ruchbah semi harris organization harris semiconductor research triangle park keywords asus motherboard linux summary seeking advice experience asus motherboards linux lines purchase system linux system asus brand motherboard comments asus motherboards craycroft craycrof semi harris systems analyst phone harris semiconductor 
specs drive organization northeastern university boston distribution lines kind sole email specs western digital drive model sectors track information feed bios running roking northeastern nope honest 
definition spec dhrystone benchmarks organization unix distribution lines definitions spec dhrystone benchmarks background material anyoneand email point anonymous server dykes adykes adykes 
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daptec sony organization coles supermarkets lines months purchased adaptec driver drive time thing documentation adaptec scsi controller driver drives learn driver date major adaptec upgrade deal driver called scsi fussed upgraded drive sony sony find audio mode work assume handled correctly driver chase adaptec upgrade number assistance appreciated works fine sony caught rest 
rotate interrupter woops nntp posting host isis msstate organization mississippi state university lines aahh miniscribe sticker side rotate interrupter knob knob sticking side drive pretty hard turn removing drive turned drive spin data controller cables plugged power spin paul carroll msstate msstate engineering research center computational field simulation 
drive boot organization university pennsylvania lines nntp posting host eniac seas upenn recently switched drive problem read write correctly boot floppy checked cmos settings floppy seek boot boot order floppy systems files message telling disk systems disk drive work systems disk drive power memory test light light short beep light instant light light disk activity kind screen blanks ctrl suggestions advance eric balog balog seas upenn 
date stuck organization netcom line communication services guest lines kevin uucp kevin gorman writes date stuck running menu system alive time machine left running time suddenly date longer rolls time accurate allways change date hand morning involves exiting menu system slightest idea clue hardware battery cmos broken kevin gorman kevin uucp kevin kosman uucp voice vital computer systems beachcomber oxnard disclaimer boss stands started notice thing running windows control panel times date clock running minutes find leave system running time barry sardis home laurie avenue office jose email bsardis 
installing drive organization suranet college park earth milky lines nntp posting host azathoth sura recently cousin internal drive seagate model number important install vested interest machine busted mine fixed seagate forget model number find bloody thing managed drive disconnected time thing hangs bootup past system test controller instruction sheet supports drives configured cmos correctly power plugged properly learned master slave relationship supposed didn configured jumpers properly master slave thing cabling wrong combinations controller master slave controller slave master master controller slave worked possibility partitioned seperate drives cmos asks drive drive setup info drive drive confusing things drive bereft docs info cmos setup controller piece paper size index card cannibalized cable connector middle serial connection lost advance practically emergency papers thing monday william barnes suranet operations wbarnes voice disclaimer speak suranet speak 
scsi distribution world lines article bgrubb nmsu grubb writes article bgrubb nmsu grubb magazine april scsi fasst esdi faster support devices acceptance long stalled incompatability problems installation headaches love magazine writers make stupid statements performance numbers list actual performance ranges convince statement absurd scsi ranges scsi ranges ranges esdi standard versions data scsi fast esdi correct pick scsi setup makes statment correct make statement meaningless understood esdi include scsi completely esdi device level scsi controller chip scsi reach faster scsi facts great compare numbers speed modes article misleading wrong posted newsgroup info sheet sumex stanford info report compare version recommend people call board download ansi specs interested stuff part problem inconsiant scsi documented quadra scsi chip apple salesperson fast scsi chip burst scsi maximum synchronous quadra ansynchronous scsi slower missing agree opportunity marketing jingo scsi compliant tells performance wide support reference quadra scsi controller chip digital review good chip 
phone number western digital esdi problem organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host cwru western digital gosh installed virus called copy floppy burn love windows crash 
monitor dying edwin aukuni edwin organization university auckland zealand lines recently svga monitor acting taking minutes warm previously start cmos messages test wait display shows starts bright white flash system long time overnight couple hours turned display works normal causing warning give signs aging system systems work years happen monitor appreciated fellow netters offer edwin edwin edwin aukuni engineering university auckland private auckland zealand 
scsi disclaimer public access unix system university denver denver community university control responsibility opinions users organization public access unix denver math dept lines article wlsmith heart wayne smith writes article eric smith writes scsi future minor advantages cards cheaper obsolete years fact cards cheap free real cost drives scsi cards cost worth hernia laughing realize vesa super dooper local ultra high tech controller sucks scsi obsolete killed vesa local luck archeitecture doen sbus hook busmaster controller vesa local slows system real nice shafted bucks extra cost scsi drive scsi controller workstation understand vesa local vesa local killed pcmi intels spec vlbus good cards laugh start crying spent drives finding space biggest advantage scsi kinds devices tapes easily bigger disks cost effective hard disks scsi drives larger gotta megs transfer rate speedy tape backups drives stick foot mouth make statement wait compared minutes exaggerated backup gigs disk forgot makes disks basically person expensive benefits scsi guess bought waving scsi expandability moot point user drives scsi drives fast speed onboard memory cache duplicate caching controller scsi fast wide spec bandwidth stupid vlbus crap stop thread cluttering bandwidth read scsi visit local usenet archive scsi fast wide faster drive response based personal experience drives judge completely interfaces cost adavantage descent performance scsi ability super high capacity expandibility speed cases belive busmastering vlbus pick back issue week whihc tested vlbus eisa busmastering cards send flames null scott mace internet smace emace 
limit organization computer science department blacksburg lines reading magazine peripherals access memory video cards memory aperture memory wanted memory video card memory explain detail limit email response summarize begolej james begole begolej 
monitors organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host cwru sony monitor lines screen interlaced mode lines poping hear usinf modes switch back sony price guess viewing area impress gosh installed virus called copy floppy burn love windows crash 
identify ethernet card article moscow organization university idaho dept lines nntp posting host leopard uidaho article splee seng speedy writes ethernet card apollo workstation identify order assembly number card circa port coax connection selectable address bios locations berg jumpers appears intel processor board buffering ethernet chip appears intel package chip equivalent cards plcc chip called link mail general interest favorite line post general interest prepare retire apollos ways recycle parts mike simon simon uidaho 
changing motherboards messing connectors nntp posting host ccscola organization corp columbia columbia lines article jozef slaby writes changed motherboard trouble spkr turbo turboswitch klck connectors correctly reconnected turbo switch wires motherboard connection pins solution rewire connectors approach frustrating work turbo switch work replaced motherboard system similar questions cents worth speaker connector wires speaker speaker coil bidirectional makes difference attach turbo switch wires control turbo active switch pushed switch middle wire common meter figure wire connects common wire switch pushed wires connected switch place wires turbo berg connector motherboard turbo directional depending wires attached light motherboard turbo switch wires attached berg connector board board power default turbo mode motherboard attace wires board light power reverse connectors work attach turbo switch board hope helps moyer moyer 
soundblaster port settings distribution inet lines article anssi saari huot huot writes explanation explain share simply share correct printer 
info genoa card originator ucdavis organization university california davis distribution lines inexpensive card real reviews cards local stores pushing genoa apparently cirrus logic chip shops spoken claims card performs diamond stealth orchid fahrenheit cards based true price genoa lags performance cards extra info cards appreciated replies email post summary info interested advance brian oppy bjoppy 
splitting drives make faster organization mitsubishi electric research laboratories lines article andyross andrew rossmann writes guyd dawson writes partitions disk space partition cost hard disk space afoord luxury power choice disk space partition table fixed length hard disk carries useing lost remember partition table allocated entire cylinder find takes calculate heads sectors create extended partition partition logical drives original respondent dawson refering elementary partition entire disk fats initial directory small disk recommend remain single partition consideration large disk greater multiple partitions make sense mike lipsie work mlipsie merl mitsubishi electronic research laboratory home mikel uucp 
western digital info needed organization oakland university rochester michigan lines nntp posting host vela oakland mcmaster holly writes western digital sets pins back hard drive settings jumpers written circuit board drive figured jumpers problem perplexed drives working system formatted hardware installed problem boot sequence computer pass system drive reinitialization fine bios configured drive tests work thing back drive disk present spins insert disk drive system works fine boots installed software additional swood hunting michigan despair closed season opossum porcupine weasel squirrel skunk starlings feral pigeons english sparrows ground squirrel woodchuck trout season opens saturday month 
monitor dying organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host cwru sounds magnavox sick flyback gosh installed virus called copy floppy burn love windows crash 
monitors organization department computer science copenhagen lines catone wharton upenn tony catone writes article goyal mohit goyal writes yeah read newsgroup high quality trinitron tube monitors sony extra cost high bandwidth fantastic image large image size annoying lines screen thirds annoying talking sitting notice annoying christian christian holmgreen joker mochmch student university copenhagen dept computer science human errors avoided avoid humans 
write floppy organization hewlett packard waltham division reply limagen keywords write lines experts answer quick machine floppy unable write formated disk machine claims disk write protected note read problem mail post 
difference eisa organization jersey institute technology newark lines nntp posting host hertz njit article jschief toppoint joerg schlaeger writes able handle dram eisa experience scsi busmaster problem floppy controller unable reach problem sloowwer overhead double buffering matter nakata apologize incorrect rude impolite expressions mail post intended english language full understanding words nuance phrase nakata student njit 
number prongs chip organization university texas austin austin lines distribution reply utexas hoek nntp posting host flubber utexas originator utexas prong basic chip number realize chunk chip missing orient correctly hole guide count prongs chip find hoek internet utexas crazy 
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scanners organization userc satam organization lines good scanners gray scale color connected compatibles automatic tray feeding point good scanners things purchasing scanner hand held scanners preliminary requirements dithering half toning patterns drivers windows standard file formats automatic feed comparative survery byte issue mail summerize satam satam ernet kirtikumar satam satam ncst ernet scientist network division national center software technology juhu bombay 
original specs organization lehigh university lines article winfrvk tudelft kampen writes article hoffmamc ites hard drive type controller added recommend full height hard drive trouble supply oomph spool heavy platters system floppy drive hard disk watt power supply disconnect power floppy drive turn notice hard drive real difficult time speed manages booting finished plug floppy drive work user friendly buying watt power supply willem newer drive problem fifteen full heights power hogs twenty units running flawlessly half height drives hard cards lehigh 
question uart keywords organization joking lines thought post mail case interested info article jordan writes question mail names manufactures predecsor uarts refered number find technical manual find technical specs uarts appreciated prefereably suggest direct original preferred quality source chips national semiconductor reach longer package data sheets book mine individual sets data sheets minimum sets data sheets application notes uart design application considerations comparison series uarts application notes listed proven valuable data sheets exceptionally written application note detail advantage send free long abuse include internet mythical graham icbm amateur radio walton beach amtor selcal nial mail information kamterm host mode kantronics tncs 
scsi organization communications newsreader version lines wayne smith wlsmith heart wrote article bgrubb nmsu grubb writes point view scsi advantage multi tasking data data drive scsi find faster drive computer faster cache system thought scsi good managing data multiple devices attached talking single drive explain scsi inherently faster managing data hard drive integrated device electronics common standard medium sized drives hard drive asynchronous transfer start spec sheet quote scsi specs till blue face exceed capability point eisa interfaces worth investing thousands dollars worth money limited megs perform read carefully connection mechanism standard transfer rate limited interfaced eisa matters lowest setting scsi interface asynchronous scsi mode averages maximum asynchronous mode full scsi mode blows poor window street garbage implimented system mine thing scsi blows water hands throughput workstations file servers problem drive mechanisim rates bottleneck cost scsi interface drive mechanisims scsi original question scsi single hard drive controller scsi drive megs scsi choice make sence megs scsi drive cost nice thing multitasking scsi drives unix loaded windogs drives time pretty ugly bought quantum home paid drives cheaper original cart back original card scsi stood coming price talking sparc favorite unix workstation millions buying decisions years scsi plenty time price talking scsi expensive simply common interface common read easily implemented method adding scsi find scsi connection medium choice argue scsi standard makes good implimented data highway intrinsically multi tasking managing data single scsi hard drive single drive scsi expensive bought expandibility drives find scsi intrinsically partial list types devices access concurrently scsi device works machines home moving hard drives nice scsi hook scsi devices work devices instance recently added older connor maxtor connor setup slave work scsi address check termination plug problem mutual exclusion notice time takes switch accessing drive drive long compared time takes switch drive scsi system multitasking noticable things neat thing noticed fringe benefit ability older dead drives storage scsi system problem bunch dead drives added interface full drives drive tape drive drive card simply scsi handier mysterious jumpers figure greg nature greg shaw nature part nature shaw love rockets uunet shaw 
scsi organization communications newsreader version lines grubb bgrubb nmsu wrote wlsmith heart wayne smith writes megs scsi drive cost quadra able deal hard drives start idea external thought latest prices macweek find quantum profile drives quantum height drives bunch stuff deleted scsi high computer world multitasking standard part hear hear nature greg shaw nature part nature shaw love rockets uunet shaw 
machine lynn mankato msus organization mankato state university lines greatly christmas built computer parts father disk drive installed seagate system reason place free special controller special controller purchase send responses lynn mankato msus advance stan tyree 
maxtor drive geometry jumpers distribution organization computer science department boston university boston lines 
gateway freezes organization electro scientific industries portland lines computer gateway freezing gateway tech support specifics freezes keyboard left idle minutes type command line carraige return computer locks happen time booted reset finished program works fine windows story machine windows minutes freeze frequent application errors kick application unexpectedly losing work hardware software problem diagnosis things greatly appreciated tsrs smartdrive qaplus diagnostics good system crystalscan gateway monitor ultra mach driver build winchester microsoft mouse guapo 
conner info michael michael thurbin organization sommarvagen vaxjoe sweden lines conner disk model info thing compaq machines send information switch settings geometry normal disk standard controller michael michael thurbin sommarvagen phone vaxjoe sweden 
replacement disk michael michael thurbin organization sommarvagen vaxjoe sweden lines hold zenith laptop model hard disk dead rest work zenith found strange disk wich replace disk marked model specs disk suggestion find cheap replacement michael michael thurbin michael michael thurbin sommarvagen phone vaxjoe sweden 
video card address distribution organization austin keywords video diamond addressing lines article umcc umich zeeff writes based video card system company sells card coexist color text monitor fast color graphics configurable address worth confirmed diamond tech told based video cards port addresses true appears card system lance hartmann lance hartmann austin awdpa percent sign network address statements comments opinions reflect author misconstrued matter 
turbomodem complete question nntp posting host organization university maryland college park lines transfer software machines real trouble intel works fine talk clear modem machine turbomodem complete machines seperate houses direct serial link impossible copying data disk pain easier turn machines hours movie pirated software trouble dial connect fine baud comm kbps stupid thing connects garbage connects machine uart problem stupid thing talk comm program dialing instructions respond commands comm program precisely looked manual unclear trouble intel ready connect initialize connecting tests ideas initialization string modem error moscow grandfather taught literature orphanage trial rostov confessing gruesome sexual murders victims included children young events modern history sunday mail 
cyrix reply apoylis distribution world organization inode usenet access lines cyrix repost email missed advance alexander poylisher internet apoylis fidonet blue wave 
scsi organization john robarts research institute london ontario nntp posting host valve heart lines article shaw greg shaw writes start spec sheet quote scsi specs till blue face exceed capability point eisa interfaces worth investing thousands dollars worth money complain scsi expensive year buys scsi slow scsi automatic winner compared read carefully connection mechanism standard transfer rate limited interfaced eisa matters transfer rates change speed mine thing scsi blows water hands throughput workstations file servers variant controller software point view meant encompassing protocal standard implimented platforms argument transfer data drive fast drive able provide data scsi versions drives able deliver higher sustained transfer rates scsi interface higher platter arrangement heads original question scsi single hard drive controller scsi drive megs scsi choice make sence megs scsi drive cost nice thing multitasking scsi drives unix loaded windogs drives time pretty ugly data drive scsi ability perform transfer data main memory optimal data drives data stored main memory scsi grab data drives time store transfer data main memory time working channel bought quantum home paid haven drives cheaper friend mine maxtor drive million bytes mega bytes basic interface close transfer figure include hundred scsi drivers talking scsi expensive simply common interface common read easily implemented method adding scsi find scsi connection medium choice scsi default interface type vast majority drives tape backups hard drive scsi hard drives cost drives time common scsi drives megs years lack common interface card prevented scsi connection medium choice argue scsi standard makes good implimented data highway intrinsically multi tasking managing data single scsi hard drive single drive scsi expensive point faster performance money people single hard drive system scsi choice give performance bought expandibility drives true expandibility start means option drives tape backups cards types devices access concurrently argument held time scsi buyer reason scsi devices time scsi buyer eventually acquire make sense scsi single hard drive system scsi device works machines home moving hard drives nice scsi hook postings scsi specs apple scsi hard drives compatible data accessible machine formatting partitioning file table differences plug play scsi devices work devices instance recently added older connor maxtor connor setup slave work scsi address check termination plug drive connor logical drive problem problem mutual exclusion notice time takes switch accessing drive drive long compared time takes switch drive scsi system multitasking noticable things drives system temporary file transfers differences switching drives differences transfering files drives drive neat thing noticed fringe benefit ability older dead drives storage scsi system problem bunch dead drives added interface full drives drive tape drive drive card nice long power supply possibility drives simply scsi handier mysterious jumpers figure mysterious expensive drivers figure require drivers consume precious conventional memory 
jumper settings omti esdi controller organization microelectronics lines subject jumper settings omti esdi controller card advance richard richard solomon microelectronics aeroplaza drive richard solomon colorado springs uunet ncrcom richard solomon 
esdi coexistence summary make esdi controllers live keywords controller esdi disks organization universite montreal lines resort change mixing controllers bios mill multi card serials paral floppies controller clone jumpers affecting ctrller quantum prodrive type bring hand neat price maxtor bios type ctrller manages real geom western digital esdi ctrller floppies jumpers port addr bios addr floppy format stuff goal esdi secondary controller disks simultaneously working able boot esdi nice bonus expected ultimate goal room linux scheme mind boot floppy mount esdi root booting esdi acceptable numerous combinations avail work coexist witout hang access esdi depending setup jumpers suggestions bios setup ctrllers guess expected hang ctrller driver make work bios chip cards controller make happy cheaper esdi hard find costly rich wouldnt scavenge soft slns preferred adapters sort hold soldering iron change chip jumper line western digital archives relevant info expert stores toronto ontario area miracle knowledgeable hints workings system helped similar situations prayers direct posted replies catalin ivan email ivan umontreal human computer interaction humain machine universite montreal informatique recherche operationelle 
toshiba problems organization organization creative time wasting newsreader rusnews lines msmith tricity mark smith writes thinking toshiba hooking scsi port media vision audio spectrum sound board configuration work general toshiba drive hadware problems door opening scratched disks door closing stuck closing holder jamming related problems favorite drive experience drives phillips drives faster door hands handling booted replacing toshiba 
identify ethernet card organization university helsinki lines simon uidaho mike simon writes article splee seng speedy writes ethernet card apollo workstation identify order assembly number card circa port coax connection selectable address bios locations berg jumpers appears intel processor board buffering ethernet chip appears intel package chip equivalent cards plcc chip called link similar sounding boards dirt cheap assy numbers series description fits etherlink cards check drivers diagnostic programs cards concluded card diagnostic program succesfully passes flying colours packet drivers cards juha liukkonen jliukkon helsinki university helsinki dept lost souls trust sledge hammer 
scsi distribution world reply wayne spacecoast orgx newssoftware mike schwartz michael smith organization wayne machine palm florida lines article wlsmith heart wayne smith writes argue scsi standard makes good implimented data highway intrinsically multi tasking managing data single scsi hard drive thread figured throw cents amiga zorro comparable amiga emptative multi tasking operate scsi exclusively systems scsi controller transfers data request data hard drive continue working controller data moves memory controller reselection operate multiple devices espically true scsi tape units rewinding formatting tape command issued controller released access devices greatly increases productivity backing hard drive reading group long story cdrom scsi move machines scsi standardized supported clone machines plan completely wayne summer amiga simply palm wayne spacecoast quote week hate microsoft microsoft hate products lame found misc 
toshiba problems organization unix email info contact support lines nntp posting host public keywords sound board toshiba article msmith tricity mark smith writes good word works problems toshiba works load special drivers installation detect toshiba drive fast carlos rimola sarti email rimola connective strategies isdn connectivity phone 
scsi nntp posting host mnementh mcgill organization socs mcgill university montreal canada lines article wayne spacecoast orgx newssoftware mike schwartz michael smith writes article wlsmith heart wayne smith writes argue scsi standard makes good implimented data highway intrinsically multi tasking managing data single scsi hard drive thread figured throw cents amiga zorro comparable fact superior amiga emptative multi tasking operate scsi exclusively systems systems ship controllers toodlepip marc 
olivetti floppy lines nntp posting host altair connect olivetti floppy drive drive panasonic machine sort talk spinning stepping disk ready error jumpers work open position switch position switch switches problem information advice junk stupid thing appreciated email reply preferred jdresser 
scsi organization john robarts research institute london ontario nntp posting host valve heart lines article wayne spacecoast orgx newssoftware mike schwartz michael smith writes intrinsically multi tasking managing data single scsi hard drive scsi controller transfers data request data hard drive continue working controller data moves memory techniques floppy controller boards deal directly scsi rewinding formatting tape command issued controller released access devices greatly increases productivity backing hard drive reading group software brains format floppies hardware support scsi long story cdrom scsi move machines scsi standardized supported clone machines plan completely stick multitask unix type miraculous things harddrive single scsi hard drive 
junior usable nntp posting host tomcat raleigh organization research triangle park north carolina lines fiance junior upgrade full monitor machine heard mcga cards drive controller floppy bryan bryan welch amateur radio internet europa bwelch nmsu perish save love music scots gaelic proverb disclaimer opinion 
baud spirit modem nntp posting host hkuxb organization university hong kong newsreader version lines world spirit data modem made heard performance stable give advice addition heard news local distributor baud ccitt distributor ccitt standard modem produced year replaced spirit transfer data baud hardware alternation true telephone line able transfer high speed give advice contact central dealer quickcomm leave mail leung hong kong university 
pentium motherboard lines organization dakota state university lines bought pentium motherboard send mail advance pentium processors motherboards general public intel released companies gateway dell testing mike bitz internet bitzm research development bitzm dakota state university bitnet bitnet 
decision organization netcom online communication services guest distribution lines buying system week replace brain dead feedback couple systems familiar system interesting budget tower delivered offers mitsumi software bundle media vision sound board cache usual drives ports software budget system good true good true things review budget systems parent company micro smart motherboard aetana feedback appreciated similar vein system midwest micro elite vesa tower diamond viper midwest micro monitor reviewed familiar firm product line idea quality abig benefit suggestions price range appreciated greatest speed graphics capabilities email response greatly appreciated purpose power rightfully exercised member civilized community prevent harm good physical moral sufficient warrant john stuart mill rick adams adamsr adamsr bitnet anonymous users send poly rain 
scsi organization mexico state university cruces lines distribution world nntp posting host dante nmsu wlsmith heart wayne smith writes bought quantum home paid haven drives cheaper friend mine maxtor drive million bytes mega bytes basic interface close transfer figure include hundred scsi drivers scsi hard drives figure includes hundred scsi drivers sloppy people dumb point faster performance money scsi spec list scsi scsi controler chip synchronous range asynchronous range slower scsi scsi controller chip burst note increase speed quadra version scsi exist scsi scsi mode burst scsi hardware mess scsi software controllers usable scsi devices close scsi speeds scsi wide fast mode burst scsi wide fast burst interfaces speak ranges synchronous asynchronous modes asynchronous slower range esdi standard versions problem inconsitant term scsi articles people proper meaning scsi interfaces composed scsi scsi inconsitant scsi quote comments magazine april scsi fast esdi asynchronous scsi scsi chip faster asynchronous scsi scsi chip scsi read consitantly quote read asynchronous scsi scsi chip asynchronous scsi fast esdi speed asynchronous scsi scsi chip scsi scsi scsi chip scsi times fast esdi faster note nonuse scsi eliminates ambaguity scsi drivers reasonable scsi drivers expansive scsi scsi drivers speed degridation quadra continue thread state scsi talking scsi scsi scsi scsi scsi make difference 
junior usable organization university texas austin austin texas lines nntp posting host flubber utexas article europa raleigh welch bryan writes fiance junior upgrade full monitor machine heard mcga cards drive controller floppy things able salvage junior floppy drives monitor floppies monitor adaptor cable junior standard cards strapped cash junk thing stuff daniel matthew coleman internet dcoleman utexas dcoleman utexas university texas austin decnet utxvms dcoleman electrical computer engineering bitnet dcoleman bitnet 
scsi organization john robarts research institute london ontario nntp posting host valve heart lines article bgrubb nmsu grubb writes wlsmith heart wayne smith writes scsi hard drives figure includes hundred scsi drivers sloppy people dumb group group scsi spec list spec list talking scsi unix talking possibly eisa isin comp periphs scsi performance figures single scsi drive eisa theoretical performance figures relevant group debate platforms handle megs scsi wide fast isin continue thread state scsi talking scsi scsi scsi scsi scsi make difference scsi design people built scsi ports 
network summary keywords network organization simon fraser university burnaby canada lines heard called network networked joining serial ports greatly mail tschewe 
buslogic questions organization university california santa cruz lines nntp posting host ucsc article tiger tiger zhao writes goyal mohit goyal writes card works march beta buslogic cards proven reliable buslogic cards driver work march beta support buslogic cards included longer install beta adaptec device drivers nasty tendency crash buslogic cards attempts adaptec buslogic drivers config boot disk adaptec drivers install half beta work nicely copies adaptec drivers adaptec drivers reboot order work things pretty smooth rest installation install adaptec scsi drivers statements drivers costs adaptec cards drivers drivers work great card easily configured work sets ports multiple host adapters machine card able support drives hope helps galpin galpin ucsc 
data path width bits speed double organization university windsor ontario canada lines evolution data path width doubled bits speed data processing increased rate question relationship bettween data path width data processing speed advance input robert 
ddress interliving organization university windsor ontario canada lines address interliving memmory modules interliving advance info robert 
search memory chips organization distribution lines article david uucp dave writes idea share check memory chips create boot disk himem ramdrive config autoexec boot create drive large disk repair utility drive device driver passes quick machine fails definate memory chip machine passes conflict programs loading memory interesting idea worst case data patterns developed test magnetic media totally patterns detect common faults memory chips nichols bell laboratories rnichols 
buslogic questions nntp posting host csclass utdallas organization univ texas dallas lines beta support buslogic cards included longer disappointing install beta adaptec device drivers nasty tendency crash buslogic cards attempts adaptec latest future adaptec drivers string adaptec effect cards bios 
seagate jumper question nntp posting host vaxc reply organization rochester institute technology losers sold hard disk computer generous info drive master slave greatly appreciated reply mail incidentally avoid purchasing computer endicott jeff electrons prefer holes mutual annhiliation boycott sierra ignore purports windows user support makers hardware software canadian music quit smoking running synthesis audio 
simms sipps needed organization university washington lines nntp posting host windy atmos washington misc entrepreneurs misc wanted forsale seattle forsale forsale misc forsale misc forsale computers misc forsale computers clone misc forsale omputers distribution world yuri washington reply yuri washington organization subject simms sipps needed keywords simms sipps price piece waiting offer yuri yulaev seattle home work internet yuri washington uucp beaver atmos washington yuri 
scsi organization mexico state university cruces lines distribution world nntp posting host dante nmsu wlsmith heart wayne smith write article bgrubb nmsu grubb writes wlsmith heart wayne smith writes scsi hard drives figure includes hundred scsi drivers sloppy people dumb group group nice delete responce item prompted whit bought quantum home paid haven drives cheaper responded friend mine maxtor drive million bytes mega bytes basic interface close transfer figure include hundred scsi drivers correctly pointed scsi hard drives figure includes hundred scsi drivers sloppy people dumb sloppy dumb resounded discounting giving maxtor drive giving give implied consent info included scsi discusion scsi spec list spec list talking scsi unix talking possibly eisa understand reguardless scsi scsi asynchronous synchronous scsi speeds costs lumping scsi dumb sloppy quote problem world spec list knew numbers coming article shows article correct staments scsi consitant isin comp periphs scsi thread performance figures single scsi drive eisa gave deleting specs added info scsi scsi controler chip asynchronous range synchronous range common world difference software hardware scsi scsi controller chip called scsi burst advertised scsi byte speeds scsi wide fast mode burst scsi wide fast burst interfaces speak ranges asynchronous range infered byte synchronous range esdi standard versions wlsmith heart wayne smith writes theoretical performance figures relevant group debate platforms handle megs scsi wide fast isin note give average scsi holds true clone correct hardware software adversizements theoretical performance figures continue thread state scsi talking scsi scsi scsi scsi scsi make difference scsi design people built scsi ports articles obvious problem scsi people report inconsitant scsi quote comments scsi fast esdi asynchronous scsi scsi chip faster asynchronous scsi scsi chip scsi magazine april article confused scsi term mess inconsitant interface mess scsi means scsi interfaces composed scsi scsi scsi people read consitantly quote read asynchronous scsi scsi chip asynchronous scsi fast esdi speed asynchronous scsi scsi chip scsi scsi scsi chip scsi times fast esdi faster note nonuse scsi eliminates ambaguity continue thread state scsi talking scsi scsi scsi scsi scsi lumping scsi scsi sloppy wrong dumb inconsitant scsi scsi usage problem clean mess svga years uncle slapped scsa monitor inteface scsi standarized unlike svga years terminaology 
freezes newsreader version organization private coherent system lines perry egelmeers perry wrote ladanyi cornell szlo lada writes problem occasionaly machine freezes thought recently discovered machine works keyboard freezes clock drops turbo standard mode control explain clock rate drop problem company changed keyboard bios fine dealer told boards series defect bios michael michael michael gerhards preussenstrasse germany neuss voice 
western digital info needed newsreader version organization private coherent system lines holly mcmaster wrote western digital sets pins back hard drive settings jumpers written circuit board drive jumper drive conner jumper drive drive master drive slave michael michael michael gerhards preussenstrasse germany neuss voice 
ports modem mouse conflict newsreader version organization private coherent system lines phil hunt phil wrote kind stuff machine serial ports share irqs plug mouse modem expect work coherent able drive ports polled mode accessing modem mouse work reboot modem answer change ports matter ports change depends hardware printerport change printer assign free card caould access michael michael michael gerhards preussenstrasse germany neuss voice 
question diamond speedstar nntp posting host camelot bradley organization bradley university lines today recieved warranty replacement diamond speedstar card noticed jumper labeled card revision detective work shown jumper simply connects disconnects bale line part question simple people revision speedstar manual claim jumper reference function bale line related note sites descriptive reference motherboard manual simple signal chart douglas douglas pokorny bradley major geisert hall resident conveniently located bradley university armpit illinois peoria 
joysticks slow organization info university canberra australia lines lioness circa writes read joystick hideously slow time spent reading joystick program printf joyread read print reason joystick stuff time efficient problem programs trap smartdrv slow hell interface read joystick port safe fashion polling platform clockspeed specific truth joystick reading slow read directly hardware port note exposes intermittent disturbance interrupts read lower results turn interrupts prove detrimental health high speed comms devices read joystick port polling hardware port directly outp byte port access timeout count counts sample reads port presented comments read merging time joystick connected optimize routine runs long joystick circuitry written eyal lebedinsky eyal canberra include include include extern readjoy define joyport define xjoy joystick define yjoy joystick define xymask xjoy yjoy define joystick define joystick returns readjoy register count register char temp temp char xymask count outp joyport trigger temp char joyport temp xjoy count temp yjoy count count temp xymask return count main demonstration main printf exit kbhit readjoy printf 
large mono color monitor organization state university lines monitor larger card guess prefere mono becuase lower price email brand model condition price include message reference alavi ncsu 
mitsumi drivers qemm organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet gerard pinzone nntp posting host hela cwru faithful mitsumi owners notice qemm load driver high bitch call quarterdeck hold drivers loaded high tested work great small nose loose nipples iczer curls gerard pinzone gpinzone poly join wehrmacht kill 
speedway good organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet gerard pinzone nntp posting host hela cwru speedway good hate waiting finish loading level memory small nose loose nipples iczer curls gerard pinzone gpinzone poly join wehrmacht kill 
leading edge computer organization temple university lines nntp posting host astro ocis temple newsreader version computer store wanted good computer wrong switch motherboard computer slow leading edge computer difficult find motherboard computer greatly appreciated leading edge model intel supports intel overdrive clock doubling processors upgradable upgradable internal cache disk drives hard drive video resolution video colors expansion slots local socket compatible drive bays external centronics type parallel port serial ports analog video connector compatible mouse port watt power supply keyboard mouse included software includes windows microsoft works windows store monitor good price nicole bell temple university philly mail address ocis temple prodigy jpkn part solution part precipitate steven wright 
adaptec problems organization center instructional research computing activities lines reply lioness nntp posting host maple circa configuration gateway micronics drive drive adaptec scsi controller scsi bios enabled seagate scsi drive alrighty boot adaptec bios message drive installed drive installed adaptec scsi bios installed seagate drive phoenixbios setup remove entry drive boom access seagate drives seagate time aspi hangs system brian 
booting drive organization microtech software lines glang ford gordon lang writes david weisberger djweisbe amherst wrote drive drive make system boot drive optimally computer able boot checking order bootable disk switch cables simply switch drives boot disks boot trick davebo issue plague months gateway finally tired permanently interchanged drives reason place bootable based install disks expected drive order software upgrades number stupid install programs handle alternate drive declining time upgraded bootable replacements switching drives option able wire drive switch computer chasis work long wired carefully relay radio shack huge switch relay breaks drives work works fine change cmos drive switch work correctly programs roger gordius bagdad rpao rpao mivj 
jumper settings microscience organization computer science university vancouver canada lines distribution world nntp posting host bowen rick time information microscience hard drives jumpers master slave configurations gladly accept info sitting room collecting dust waiting install huge applications advance regulary check harddisk spec posted adam cheal 
leading edge computer organization umcc arbor lines nntp posting host umcc umcc umich article ocis temple writes computer store wanted good computer wrong stuff deleted leading edge model intel supports intel overdrive clock doubling processors upgradable upgradable internal cache disk drives hard drive video resolution video colors expansion slots local socket compatible drive bays external centronics type parallel port serial ports analog video connector compatible mouse port watt power supply keyboard mouse included software includes windows microsoft works windows store monitor good price recently bought leading edge works fine leading edge decent brand tend decent deal things wary computer back plane mounted motherboard motherboard card plugged backplane people configurations thing computer factory installed windows video driver advantage svga card monitor forward configuring system optimally coat hanger brain itches impster turnip revered charles budensiek worshipped deserve 
esdi organization south east queensland electricity board lines article monash chow writes article monty info guido leenders writes esdi controller harddisk controller system read stuff secondary controllers trick work advance guido monty question guido esdi drive master drive slave definitily master slave upgraded machine custom controller extended controller maintaining wren master drive trick controller supports drives coexisting existing controllers esdi scsi documentation work esdi assure works bruce powell email brucep seqeb 
adaptec problems organization ford motor company research laboratory lines nntp posting host slee ford newsreader lioness circa wrote configuration gateway micronics drive drive adaptec scsi controller scsi bios enabled seagate scsi drive alrighty boot adaptec bios message drive installed drive installed adaptec scsi bios installed seagate drive phoenixbios setup remove entry drive boom access seagate drives seagate time aspi hangs system brian simple answer memory serves scsi bios work drive built drives installed scsi bios runs install drive drives solution simple aspi device driver disable scsi bios useless case works champ similar situation good luck gordon lang 
grayscale displays organization massachusetts institute technology lines nntp posting host marinara quick computer shopper gave companies sell monochrome monitors compatible cornerstone technology digital technology hardware fits ikegami image systems nanao radius technologies sampo samsung sigma designs single scan monitors useless users posted requests information newsgroups fruitless managed track multisync grayscal monitors range post results info group purchase aniel thumim dthumim 
tseng labs video card problem lines organization dakota state university lines tseng labs video card problems super mode checkit reports video page frame address error page frame fixed card 
parallel port lines information directional printer port successfully toshiba laptop enabling port controlling port direction data flow output input code work desktop machine heard port work parallel port super cards running tape backup unit parallel scsi converter pretty printer port directional information greatly appreasiated post reply email internet rick richard muratti origin custom programming 
teac distribution world organization organized lines national news group success replace friend original floppy disk normal teac drive identified power supply pins shorted switch inserted pullup resistors pins computer complain missing light stays time drive spins insert disk access teac works fine normal points missed volkmar volkmar grote 
wanted mouse port high interrupt organization distribution lines sound card interrupt serial ports modem miracle piano printer port interrupts mouse port interrupt interrupt mouse port computer called technical support microsoft logitech checked interrupts mouse port video cards interrupts cards lower board mouse port serial port high interrupts loran yourk lyourk 
write floppy organization programvareverkstedet unit lines article freenet andy nicola writes previous article limagen experts answer quick machine floppy unable write formated disk machine claims disk write protected note read problem mail post disk type disk extra hole case opposite normal write protect hole drive write disk punch similar hole handy small device square hole puncher back pages computer shopper magazine make hole writing andy nicola able write disk making holes stig 
compaq configuration organization utexas mail news gateway lines nntp posting host utexas compaq owners friend mine compaq portable lost manuals diskettes machine equipment definition cmos memory configuration machine bytes incorrectly compaq bytes defined compatible machines compaq diagnostics diskette needed reach quickly compaq dealers email documentation configuration software heikki haldre mail hhaldre stacken hhaldre tartu 
proveisa gated usenet rosemail gateway organization rose media toronto ontario lines experience proveisa system interested hear impressions general mark winqwk mark seltzer ravina cres toronto canada rosemail rosenetusenet gateway rose media 
wanted mouse port high interrupt organization bowling green state university distribution lines lyourk loran yourk writes sound card interrupt serial ports modem miracle piano printer port interrupts mouse port interrupt interrupt mouse port computer called technical support microsoft logitech checked interrupts mouse port video cards interrupts cards lower board mouse port serial port high interrupts putting irqs ports hardware automagically wrap class machines high irqs address software soundblaster busmouse port interrupts works great text file floating details hack serial card work higher irqs basically involves cutting trace running wire high expansion modem port serviced system giving modem response handy multitaskers running problems justin jdolske bgsu 
limit distribution world organization lines rpao mivj writes article marka harris mark ashley writes writer claims glitches occur systems limit part understand motherboard problems talking explain floppy served motherboard original controller reach address space joerg 
wanted organization university western australia lines nntp posting host tartarus newsreader subject email skcgoh 
swap boot drive organization university massachusetts amherst lines reply david todd umass nntp posting host titan umass machine drive drive swap drive david todd department psychology university massachusetts amherst phone 
wanted advice comments building distribution organization manchester computing centre lines months intending build system remote monitoring comments advice choice motherboard hdds boards recommendations good companies selling peter green peter green janet nessie internet nessie include 
conner specs organization utexas mail news gateway lines nntp posting host utexas send conner harddisk specifications intrested time values precomp heikki haldre internet hhaldre stacken 
hint eisa motherboard schauf brian schaufenbuel distribution organization iowa state university ames keywords motherboard lines buying companion brand eisa motherboards hint chipsets experience board good information helpful brian schaufenbuel brian schaufenbuel government sooner learns helser halsted draining money pockets ames people college students adam smith 
detect mouse hardware level organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet andy berkvam nntp posting host hela cwru writting program checks computer configuration everytime computer boots campus network running info check mouse check mouse driver code microsoft mouse book guarantee driver loaded program runs load driver interested hardware attached machine detect mouse attached mouse driver advance andy andy berkvam wholly dead wisconsin stevens point blow dead embers cleveland freenet live flame start internet aberkvam uwsp robert graves 
scsi reply ucdavis message lines organization grebyn timesharing article ucdavis great randalli writes explain fairly simple terms scsi controler performance suffer drive tape drive appreciated richard randall multi tasking computer power overlap overlap continue disk operations underway overlap sits idly waiting disk operation finish disk operations eternity compared fast multi tasking increase performance increasing amount overlapping mastering make devices move data memory interrupting alternative move data scsi interface cards mastering defined standard interface created requires move data bytes richard krehbiel richk amigados 
scsi reply wlsmith heart message lines organization grebyn timesharing article wlsmith heart wayne smith writes article bgrubb nmsu grubb writes point view scsi advantage multi tasking data data drive scsi find faster drive computer faster cache system thought scsi good managing data multiple devices attached talking single drive explain scsi inherently faster managing data hard drive adaptec series mastering means waiting data bytes computing advanced multi tasking sits waits integrated device electronics common standard medium sized drives hard drive asynchronous transfer start spec sheet quote scsi specs till blue face exceed capability point limited megs perform start spec sheet designed plug virtually unaided essence ribbon cable specs clock width concluded waste fast slot card slow transactions speed heck slots richard krehbiel richk amigados 
scsi reply marka harris message lines organization grebyn timesharing article marka harris mark ashley writes huge software packages files produce longer sufficient limit listing seagate hard drive rumor microsoft recognizes importance scsi support windows supports scsi variety adapters disk tape richard krehbiel richk amigados 
scsi reply wlsmith heart message lines organization grebyn timesharing article wlsmith heart wayne smith writes article wayne spacecoast orgx newssoftware mike schwartz michael smith writes intrinsically multi tasking managing data single scsi hard drive scsi controller transfers data request data hard drive continue working controller data moves memory techniques floppy controller boards deal directly scsi hard disk interface controller moves sector buffer memory controller card moves data buffer main memory needed work compatible heck hear kinds complaints systems working drives addressing limit trouble enabling signals cable spec report heard implemented require kind adapter drivers richard krehbiel richk amigados 
printer question nntp posting host chopin udel organization university delaware state lines picked hand color option matrix printer alas installation instructions totally confused remove actaual print head info appreciated udel dollar 
booting drive summary bios nntp posting host nimios mcmaster organization communications research laboratory mcmaster university lines article khan mohammad razi khan writes glang ford gordon lang writes david weisberger djweisbe amherst wrote drive drive make system boot drive intermediate reply suggesting cable switch deleted bios poked bios boot assume slip althoug mess cmos hate burst bubble slip bios setting setting boot order floppy respect primary check check gordon lang mohammad khan khan july send mail mkhan paul mcmaster 
conner question nntp posting host vaxa reply organization rochester institute technology configure drive slave model reply mail jeff electrons prefer holes mutual annhiliation boycott sierra ignore purports windows user support makers hardware software canadian music quit smoking running synthesis audio 
perfect monitors nntp posting host nimios mcmaster organization communications research laboratory mcmaster university lines article adcock doug adcock writes intently thread waiting mine arrive mail complaints minor alignment problems article contained comment owner called factory told screen rotation spec figure image rotation high specs call greater monitor arrived night noticable barrel distortion dramatic noticable image fill entire screen fact worse side matters find minor imperfections norm monitors perfect send back worse problem factory kind thing normal ship monitors perfect alignment speak innovision concerned adjusted factory spec leaving central distribution point eastern canadian market monitors adjustments sensitive shipping distances bumps rough handling expect theory require local distributor dealer adjusted local service centre bull information systems toronto sale correct chance receiving perfect monitor definition perfect depend picky case netters living kind imperfections accept considered substandard monitor months wrangling direct contact finally received satisfactorily adjusted monitor perfect imho major improvement dealer distributor convince normal short answer accept imperfections normal premium pays larger screen monitors expect higher quality persistent receive comments opinions mine doug adcock adcock bell northern research research triangle park paul mcmaster 
upgrading modem organization department computer science edinburgh university lines tandon type modem info fact black info modem upgrading reply mail chris mail walton weekends write romero place edinburgh finagle fourth fouled improve makes worse chris mail walton weekends write romero place edinburgh 
scsi organization mexico state university cruces lines distribution world nntp posting host dante nmsu richk richard krehbiel writes stuff connection deleated clock width speed sighted scsi complex industry talks differences scsi controller chip port software scsi stand point scsi asynchronous synchronous modes software scsi driver asynchronous slower synchronous mode synchronous speeds reached scsi divices rewrite software driver case quadra scsi main source confusion differs scsi controler chip machines called fast scsi scsi ports software drivers produce scsi speeds scsi inspite slower asynchronous mode average speed asynchronous scsi mode quadras higher synchronous mode higher burst rate scsi versions wide fast wide scsi requires things scsi scsi software driver wide scsi port machine external device fast scsi requires things scsi scsi driver software recieving devise support fast scsi speed burst scsi wide fast scsi scsi requires scsi driver software wide scsi port recieving devices mode scsi chip expected expencive speed bursts simple versions scsi seperated software controler chip port standarize software drops versions scsi seperate hardware chip port 
conner info keywords conner organization dept electronics carleton university lines information drive switch settings geometry conner reply mail advance nelson carleton 
pentium organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply cwru douglas bell nntp posting host cwru previous article cwru robert novitskey qestion upcoming pentium systems compatible current simms cards info helpful plunk hardware depends motherboard implimentation make motherboard takes simms pentium processor motherboards 
trident lots organization computing services university warwick lines nntp posting host nutmeg warwick keywords trident interrupts enquiries compatibles general software hardware orientated wrong newsgroup claims happen board jumper details trident svga graphics card switches mine works fine albeit slow blown monitor found switch controlled interlace interlace facility curious switches card apparantly commodore crazed design motherboard respect supply details expansion ports sample circuit button pressed yeah piece cake lazy software wise care divulge tips accessing expanded program written turbo instance farcoreleft coreleft return memory base combinations able boundary farmalloc suspect half brained created entrant follow comments calls interrupt changing stack size entry articles read subject conflicting views views writing direct screen memory terms portability gotta bars closing cheers 
hand scanners wanted organization university northern iowa lines fellow netters market hand scanner choices dexxa scanner mart includes grayworks software grayscales software catchword mail order mustek gray artist windows scanner offers grayscales graphics mail order perceive picture publisher genius hand scanner graphics basically mustek scanner resolution price basically recommendations heard logitech makes manufactures dexxa scanners helpful output laserjet canon leaning mustek offers features middle terms prices hand scanner recommend scanner price range deal mail greatly appreciated kevin harter 
booting drive organization school eecs washington state university lines article mcmaster paul writes article khan mohammad razi khan writes glang ford gordon lang writes david weisberger djweisbe amherst wrote drive drive make system boot drive intermediate reply suggesting cable switch deleted heard boot wanted touching check archie 
mitsubishi hard drive organization national science center foundation summary mitsubishi hard drive keywords hard disk lines mitsubishi hard drive storage format suspected switch settings moved movement drive place switch settings drive switches switches selects drive number info drive number call configure email heads type advance chuck browning charles browning browning nscf university browning augusta georgia cbrowni calstate 
monitors organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex mreamy concert michael reamy support writes nanao monitor money mitsubishi diamond choice superb picture quality monitor responsible choosing standard components company part review viewsonic mitsubishi nanao picked costs choices clarity text fuzzy viewsonic worst mitsubishi nanao blows water understand nanao mitsubishi trinitron tube imagine nanao incredible beter michael reamy mreamy concert light tunnel oncoming dragon monitors reviewed june issue windows magazine mitsubishi reviewed nanao released year issue windows reviewed monitors including nanao question nanao monitors year year difference ranking windows ranking windows sources difference testing criteria scoring tests scored differently wrong mitsubishi scored highly tests points perfect incidentally things reading reviews product monitors mice read criteria methodology carefully product testing scores based possibly rank monitor differently windows sources meaningless knowing ranking likewise impossible monitor meet testing apply likewise apply closely review reading words commentary write understand scoring wayne rash 
monitor sync organization express access online communications greenbelt lines distribution nntp posting host access digex keywords monitor scanlonm interlan michael scanlon writes obvious question current batch windows accelerator cards diamond drive monitor horizontal vertical sync jacks altogether connectors back able ahold raster technologies monitor cheap wondering connect adapter gateway drivers mike scanlon reply scanlon monitor cable connector connectors bought nanao bought nanao monitor connectors check computer store sells good monitors companies setup 
tape backup question organization massachusetts institute technology lines nntp posting host pesto article jerry jerry shekhel writes folks archive internal tape drive pretty comparable colorado jumbo floppy drives system small card accelerated made archive attach tape drive floppy device problem based qicstream software works fine norton central point backup programs windows fail switch machine turbo speed eisa software works hardware problem similar problems solutions advance yeah sounds typical windows makes sorts extra demands hardware machine things notice acessing floppies windows slows crawl imagine backup evertyhing running fights time backup program loses glad medium speed backup machine supposedly scsi machine places extra demands data 
monitors nntp posting host eukanuba organization silicon graphics lines article rash digex wayne rash writes reviewed nanao released difference gateway system upgrade mike yang silicon graphics mikey 
conner specs organization panix public access unix lines hhaldre heikki haldre writes send conner harddisk specifications intrested time values precomp heikki haldre internet hhaldre stacken conner peripherals number touch tone voice response data bank giving info call directory assisatnce phone number conner peripherals dannyb usual disclaimers apply 
kinda battery grisch george risch distribution organization university cincinnati lines proud owner battery hooks jumper info replace voltage suggestions replacement respond grisch george 
booting drive nntp posting host camelot bradley organization happy campers lines rpao mivj roger writes discussion switching drives removed albeit strange option program anonymous major sites fdformat anonymous format disks disks formats diskcopy broken messy diskcopy disks disks vice versa techniques booting game disks tandy works program named teledisk shareware major make weird format disks provided fdformat installed disks diskcopy properly readily teledisk proper format software solution hardware bios deficiency joseph zbiciak bradley disclaimer check head nuke whales 
rockwell chipset good nntp posting host camelot bradley organization bradley university lines quick question rockwell chipset recently supports group heard bugs chipset zoom modem chipset problem word chipset specific specific brand rockwell rockwell chipset rockwell chipset chances modems rockwell chipset affect change compensate send responses email zbiciak bradley bradley joseph zbiciak bradley disclaimer check head nuke whales 
shopping monitor lines people recomend flat screen hype nonsense advantage flat screen tubes oversensitive fragile break heavy duty rugged insist proven reliable technologies 
scsi organization university hampshire durham lines nntp posting host kepler huge software packages files produce longer sufficient limit micropolis broken limit greg greene mark ashley disclaimer opinions harris marka harris lost angelino 
high performance video card organization silicon graphics lines article brocku ciceran writes magazine review high graphics accelerators performance windows graphics ultra reviews months card ranks editors choice reviews performance beat pick issue april check windows recent reviews shown cards significantly faster windows card recent reviews shown cards looked significantly slower card speed recall question orchid card cards tested orchid reportedly faster orchid card fast card formidable competitor advertised prices cards group posted back orchid card card arrived benchmarks based card real speed 
adaptec distribution world organization rebox host berlin germany lines newsreader nwreader version wright lerc nasa wright writes adaptec disk controller hands documentation esdi controller bios dated esdi controller doco stefan stefan reck inet sreck berlin berlin germany 
gateway telepath modem summary garbage matter settings organization chinet public access unix distribution lines gateway telepath modem month connect matter software connect favorite news system problems happier connect favorite kind reliability success calls good hope fact connect fave places means adjust fast stream garbage modem response line dial window drop full screen mode screens garbage cases modem time connecting drops carrier default settings problem autoconfigure settings gateway supplied copy qmodem problem refused claiming work modem connects place fine factory settings microcom ideas waco update ohio prison update bosnia update russian update abortion update congressional update standoff news network news standoff daniel hartung dhartung chinet rotaract 
high performance video card organization school ocean earth science technology lines article blean blean writes group posted back orchid card card arrived benchmarks text mcga mode identical based cards weird orchid supposedly faster told chip covered orchid label chip spec sheet board docs dram chip winmarks slower viper standard palette insterested sell diamond viper megs vram friend email interested broke based card real speed limited quantites idea chip careful boards orchid readme file disk serve documentation conflicts hell controller card motherboard stephen elec engineering univ hawaii friend account waiting grad account death synthesis 
info board originator himb organization school ocean earth science technology lines thing orchid board vesa bios able handle dram board viper utilize vram board support vesa modes stephen elec engineering univ hawaii account grad school starts autumn death synthesis 
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monitors organization school computer science mcgill university lines article goyal mohit goyal writes yeah read newsgroup high quality trinitron tube monitors sony extra cost high bandwidth fantastic image large image size agree image sharp sony tubes monitors tubes annoying black lines bottom quarters tube created wires holding invar shadow mask annoying thing making lean favor difference accucolor experiences opinions people appreciated exams week tony tony gerardis mcgill university computer science prefered account relative gerardis mcgill older shorter breath tgerardi closer death floyd gerardis bitnet 
quantum cache working organization mail group newsreader version lines quantum supposed cache controller built card command system disk accessed hear mechanical movement heads happening strangely smartdrive installed command accesses disk activate cache happening machines drive estes internet westes 
custom keys organization rose hulman institute technology lines reply swartzjh rose hulman nntp posting host hydra rose hulman company make custom keys instance main menu point company special keyboard keys jeff swartz 
monitors organization school ocean earth science technology lines article gerardis mcgill emporium writes stuff deleted thing making lean favor difference accucolor experiences opinions people lose accucolor give interlaced mode wider bandwidth inputs personally bothered lines trinitron tube tony gerardis mcgill university computer science stephen elec engineering univ hawaii account grad school starts autumn death synthesis 
rockwell chipset good organization advanced micro devices austin texas lines article bradley zbiciak writes word chipset specific specific brand rockwell rockwell chipset assortment firmware problems pretty expected modem talking modem revised pretty oblivious current firmware problems stay clear board rockwell opposed internal implementation speed buffering interface interface number interrupts dropped multitasking conditions windows speed buffering works external modems internal serial port board hope helps barrett tdbear engineer barrett white austin hold leave chance tasmin archer views company origin 
monitors nntp posting host csclass utdallas organization univ texas dallas lines mitsubishi reviewed nanao released year issue windows reviewed specs monitor changed 
cache micronics eisa motherboard organization university iowa iowa city lines article mohammad ansari clip process purchasing eisa computer clip ares cache motherboard brand motherboard opti chip micron edge technology micronics eisa motherboard clip input micron machine clear choice positive negative company heard cache motherboards micron micronics motherboard advance information mohammad ansari back vendors board manufactures info made norton indexes yeah suck whats mother number slots types esia scsi board easy upgrade location pins overdrive oscilator kits uart bios make feel system agree ares days tech year warranty encouraging terry clark tclark uiowa opinion opinion 
eisa organization berkeley lines distribution world nntp posting host zinc cchem berkeley read development eisa time dismissed light intense interest vesa recently disheartened hear address limit recall eisa support transfer enhancements standard developed bing bing cchem berkeley university california berkeley 
scsi organization john robarts research institute london ontario nntp posting host valve heart lines article richk richard krehbiel writes explain fairly simple terms scsi controler performance suffer drive tape drive appreciated multi tasking increase performance increasing amount overlapping mastering make devices move data memory interrupting alternative move data scsi interface cards mastering mastering defined standard interface created requires move data bytes talking channel active time transferring data single device devices scsi explain devices transfers single scsi card time track copy reference book technical manual page adapter buffered system board direct memory access record data transfers expect similar adapter lowly density original card controller doesn makes real sense 
scsi organization john robarts research institute london ontario nntp posting host valve heart lines article richk richard krehbiel writes heck hear kinds complaints systems working drives addressing limit trouble problems long transfer area area controller programmed isin problem controller channel controllers 
find comm ports irqs organization netcom line communication services guest lines hamilton uiuc wayne hamilton writes friend mine recently serial card verify details recall paid made ports supports irqs addition convention trouble finding comm software override standard assignments software find case majority software regard commercial software commercial packages poorly written programs crap print command locks system long periods time printer full clock tick back comm software find success telix works telix phil howard spell protection wing conservative capitalists separate money left wing liberal gooders separate 
scan rate font size summary important organization university denver dept math comp lines past winter found spending ridiculous amout time front computer eyes berserk decided shell money upgrade monitor running eyes grateful find smaller font strain kind experience thought small fonts culprit flicker real problem comments alec alee 
eisa nntp posting host mnementh mcgill organization socs mcgill university montreal canada lines article bing cchem berkeley bing writes read development eisa time dismissed light intense interest vesa recently disheartened hear address limit recall eisa support transfer enhancements standard developed possibly backwards compatible tripe current eisa implementation intelligent controller takes care interrupts jumpers amiga zorro hack liking toodlepip marc 
upgrade needed organization indiana university lines forgive source kind info station dimension thinking upgrade station power supply floppy disk drives case sony monitor syquest drive reader questions motherboard dimension case original owener controller floppy drive hard disk removed control devices controllers work make syquest scsi scsi work station heard cheap sound board scsi controller built quality board scsi control cost sites syquest driver driver hooked motherboard sound board make quality station cost worth hussle station keyboard input peter 
date stuck phys canterbury organization university canterbury christchurch zealand nntp posting host cantva canterbury lines article kevin uucp kevin gorman writes date stuck running menu system alive time machine left running time suddenly date longer rolls time accurate allways change date hand morning involves exiting menu system slightest idea clue hardware battery cmos broken suddenly started sticking started leaving running menu night limitation date roll software means waiting keyboard input call bios call menus code update date midnight called able correct details case rememberred change menu program sources system patch cmos clock time fact seconds clock mark aitchison university canterbury 
netware server netware level serialisation system nacjack wayne mcdougall organization code works limited auckland zealand lines facts netware server roughly moved location left powered months memory hard drive manuals original disks netware level powered cmos wiped technician examined pronounced disk drive unusable investigations drive type cylinders sides cmos compsurf runs happily blocks prepare hotfix internal drive install proceed successfully boot server reports software serialised hardware internal examination keycard present disk drive large single unit attempts configure drive cmos result drive ready errors questions software netware level burnt screen netware level configure netware level mirrored duplexed disks requires disk novell server configured install netware level level causing serialisation error novell server equipped hard drives failed install network software serialised hardware failed drive serialisation error keycard fails wrong knowledgeable offer comments guides time apology posted request widely dealing archaic hardware software hoping casting capture system justify groups posting feel free correct feel inappropriate place post posting definitive bljeghbe chugh blhegh wayne mcdougall keeper list shows star trek auckland festival missions april change mind evidence method 
problem printer article shelley qtbh distribution world organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host hardy washington recently decided memory manager print printer word work send linefeeds margin printer ready light stop working disabled problem continue greatly comments suggestions send arthur washingt arthur washington 
scsi nntp posting host csclass utdallas organization univ texas dallas lines mastering initiating xfer busmastering adapter ability motherboards board slower arbitration busmastering cards system xfers channel system lock crash forget channels system system soundblaster busmastering video card busmastering scsi order work properly find channel card simply configure scsi channel xfers multiple xfers time eisa systems eisa systems cards channel 
soundblaster port settings arowatt rowatt organization massey university palmerston north zealand reader netnews version lines conflict technically parallel printer processor actual number escapes printer control register enables chip transmit interrupt interrupt controller main processor default parallel printer processor enable interrupt line sourced printer controller chip enabling devices actual note applies ports default route interrupts system software enable feature make monitoring port activity easier polling serial uart sound card slighty confused windows story 
modems noisy lines organization university southern california angeles lines distribution world nntp posting host phakt problem cheapo modem connect university garbage screen noise line hear question error correction protocol eliminate garbage modem hardware software implemented protocol trick juan carlos leon jleon jcleon electrical computer major university computing services university southern california angeles 
date stuck organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host cwru imagine leave computer time start leaving lights radio house time nuts gosh installed virus called copy floppy burn love windows crash 
tonight determine chip organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host cwru accrue call intel number gosh installed virus called copy floppy burn love windows crash 
monitors organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host cwru realy hear nanao monitors driving diamond speedstar output mode realy driving hell monitor woundering nanao fall poor capabilities sony driving balls gosh installed virus called copy floppy burn love windows crash 
perfect monitors organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host cwru article tamu rithea hong newsgroups comp hardware subject perfect monitors date friend mine model distrotion back replacement distorted common problem advice heard buying monnitors specific opposed model monitor manufacturing names produce alot monitors visible defects rithea hong tamu file press return quit list crap monitor makers sony magnavox gosh installed virus called copy floppy burn love windows crash 
multiport boards info needed organization haunted unix lines port boards standard ports mention expensive coprocessed able share irqs able irqs info 
question diamond speedstar organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host cwru speedstar systems boot problems system fails boot proprtly pull jumper block affect proformance speedstar manual knew card real kicker book beats hell junk sony point mode times upgrage turns overkill driving sony monitor handle installing simms finding mother board cmos wait state adjustment advantage simms bought gosh installed virus called copy floppy burn love windows crash 
philips monitor keywords monitor organization iowa state university ames distribution lines opinion philips monitor compare nanao good found good price philips specs sony trinitron tube digital micro control display area refresh anti glare auto scan monitor sale company computer shopper price bout love color alignment thing edges brian schaufenbuel brian schaufenbuel government sooner learns helser halsted draining money pockets ames people college students adam smith 
wangtek tape controller card revision address wanted system nacjack wayne mcdougall organization code works limited auckland zealand lines wangtek tape controller card revision sytos backup system backups friend system system crashed attempting restore documentation ancient card lost mists time address card suggest determine things bank switches card upupup upupup upup upup open time posting definitive bljeghbe chugh blhegh wayne mcdougall keeper list shows star trek auckland festival missions april change mind evidence method 
sound blasters machine organization monash university melb australia lines sound blasters machine give equivalent stereo digitized sound creative labs price price equal suppose addresses channels channel sharing hype share hardisk channels esoteric 
date stuck organization orbital engine company lines bsardis barry sardis writes kevin uucp kevin gorman writes date stuck running menu system alive time machine left running time suddenly date longer rolls time accurate allways change date hand morning involves exiting menu system started notice thing running windows control panel times date clock running minutes hear order date advance clock make date system call apparently clock hardware interrupt bios date advance automatically date call notices midnight reset flag advances date info john bongiovanni systems analyst orbital engine company perth australia oecjtb orbital dialix bongo caltech opinions expressed organisation 
trident switch settings archive mankato msus organization mankato state university lines jeffrey hundstad mankato msus switch settings trident graphics adapter layout dram graphics adapter layout dram graphics adapter layout dram switches connector analog monitors connector monitors note jumers layouts layout video bios basic input ouput system tvga chip graphics chip edge connector compatible systems video dram feature connector special applications video jumper blocks board note hardware option feature present board versions switch settings switch figures switch scan rate default switch fast slow address decode fast address decode default slow address decode switch data path data path default data path jumper settings settings settings size detections autodetect standard interface settings dram configuration dram dram dram dram clock select dram dram swich setings mode default mode mode hercules mode 
question uart lines organization compact solutions canberra australia question mail names manufactures predecsor uarts national semiconductor cheers elliston bachelor engineering computer engineering university canberra email canberra ellib cpsg uucp uunet munnari sserve adfa compsol root fidonet train station train stops workstation origin compact solutions canberra australia 
tseng card cards organization wiskunde informatica amsterdam lines days motherboard local cirrus logic card onboard true color type card read cirrus logic cards fastes system tseng pretty pleased buying tseng card things speed performance windows unix graphics text compared cards resolutions including colors support text graphics installed type compatibility tseng support software experience card good alternative people holland iemand misschien vertellen waar nederland verkrijg liefst omgeving amsterdam advance erik stel estel 
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date stuck organization university toronto erindale campus lines article freenet latonia writes imagine leave computer time start leaving lights radio house time nuts computers special case pretty good idea leave everytime turn computer putting surge electricity delicate components imagine turning computer times increasing chances damaging chips memory components computer save cents electricity bills time computer worth 
digitizing tablet questions nntp posting host jobe organization portal communications company newsreader version lines rithea hong tamu wrote market small digitizing tablet comments main names calcomp summagraphics kurta major differences preference avoid input provide rithea hong tamu ville walveranta linda finland oakland faxes automatically recognized email portal 
computer locked organization western michigan university lines weird thing happened computer locked stops instance reason whatsover edit locked prompt occurs times connect computer slight idea wrong ctrl response turn back appreciated mail access service enrique 
scsi keywords scsi streamer organization dansk data elektronik lines netters question scsi scsi controller hard disks conected connect scsi streamer software access beast exist shareware disk physical logical disks extra disks advance hojme euromax dansk data elektronik vejle branch denmark telephone mail 
scsi busmastering slows system organization basser dept computer science university sydney australia lines article smace scott mace writes hook busmaster controller vesa local slows system belive busmastering vlbus pick back issue week whihc tested vlbus eisa busmastering cards busmastering stops processor fetching external cache main memory card significant slowing effect 
drive recommendation organization hachioji hstd tokyo japan lines purchase drive specs applicable kodak multisession photo scsi interface compatible adaptec caddies cheaper double speeded drives satisfying condition opinion conditions sorted priority expensive satisfy conditions problem compatibility succeeded connect drives heard rumor drive incompatible adapter suggestions greatly appreciated advance kobayashi masaoki masaoki 
cyrix reply apoylis distribution world organization inode usenet access lines reply apoylis cyrix missed repost email advance alexander poylisher internet apoylis fidonet blue wave 
tari mono organization department scientific computing uppsala university lines succeded converting atari monomchrome monitor mono monitor graphics card brante institutionen teknisk databehandling uppsala universitet 
western digital info needed oharad waiariki distribution world lines article michael michael gerhards writes holly mcmaster wrote western digital sets pins back hard drive settings jumpers written circuit board drive jumper drive conner jumper drive drive master drive slave western digital marked jumper printed circuitry underkneth hope helped problem daze oharad waiariki michael michael michael gerhards preussenstrasse germany neuss voice 
weitek future plans organization koblenz germany lines nntp posting host ozzy koblenz article robert robert plamondon writes article hodgen koblenz wayne hodgen writes accelerated board vram true colour fast side funny product mouth watering today holograms outta wait accelerated card colour mock cards quickly things computer industry wait people wait forever people deferred updating original decade time coming road people dumped garage replaced afraid time gave computers wait difference current system stuff warrant changing instance upgrading eisa board performance difference linux great worthwhile time buying graphic card scsi controller buying card fast drivers vram weitek card cheaper affordable cards arrive personally system home disk subsystem larger monitor super fast graphics board board case mouse mouse dream products market money year monitor memory disk space left stay single smoke afford year wayne hodgen hodgen koblenz opinions intel koblenz unido infko hodgen keeper scrolls rheinau voice defender koblenz root 
cards card motherboard article lines newsreader carl christensen christen ocis temple wrote dumbest question year piggyback expand slot motherboard usual case slots scanner cards hoping simple solution exists adapter turns work expanders profile cases slots staggered side card install slot sideways slots profile cases standard motherboard connector slot expansion cards plugged guess slots connectors simply tracks slots electronics downside case close homebrew system problem performance leave discussion engineers gerry george good life school management boston univ illegal immoral fattening internet ggeorge item compu erve categories cancer rats 
partition table disappeared article lines newsreader computer recognise disk reboot windows crash grr options restore losing data drive previously partitions remember exact settings copies boot data disk tools rescue disk lose data drive options gerry george good life school management boston univ illegal immoral fattening internet ggeorge item compu erve categories cancer rats 
small lines newsreader small break drop groud graphics text fine fast hope stand pretty hard enviroment breaking jumnping outdoor raining memory convinient loading applications wrote floppy somekind writeable cartridge info atari portfolio stand rain marco seirio real life marse 
question uart organization joking lines article glang ford gordon lang writes national semiconductor manufacturers make equivalent chips national original argument direct national previous post topic info original source series strongly suspect developed uart made national semiconductor include internet mythical graham icbm amateur radio walton beach amtor selcal nial mail information kamterm host mode kantronics tncs 
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difference nntp posting host organization aarhus university denmark lines clock frequency differences types processors list extend correct true processor cache emulates true processor internal mathematical coprocessor correct internal cache correct extended instruction sorta sorta people information post email prefer lars difference quantum email joedal mechanic auto mechanic physics student quantum mechanic university aarhus garage opening door denmark david 
booting drive organization university erlangen nntp posting host faui informatik erlangen lines copy create floppy drive turn modify switch copy boot diskette message appears system disk replace disk boot harddisk switch drives reboot type choice select item boot called work good booting drdos installation disks format problem friend mine drive hope helps robert copy shareware easy newest version robert fuhge haagstrasse erlangen privat email rtfuhge informatik erlangen demnaechst erlangen wars left robert fuhge haagstrasse erlangen privat email rtfuhge informatik erlangen demnaechst erlangen wars left 
recommendations local cached controller nntp posting host ultb organization rochester institute technology distribution lines article wlsmith heart wayne smith writes article penev rockefeller writes maxtor controller machine save transfer rate variations speed tested speed difference problem interface controller memory advice megs save enjoy performance computer drive maxtor people speed drives drives handle speeds recently bought micron computer local card transfer rates norton caled micron pathetically slow norton recognize local give accurate results told norton order true account transfer speed answer part drive cranking difference playing settings cmos speed noticed significant change performance frank shea learn skillful frank shea teaches hath fool master rochester institute technology franklin 
scsi organization john robarts research institute london ontario keywords scsi streamer nntp posting host valve heart lines article hojme writes question scsi scsi controller hard disks conected connect scsi streamer software access beast exist shareware disk physical logical disks extra disks contrary thought scsi drive seagate controller found controller interleave drive interleave data transfer drive controller coexist drives bios kinda muscle needed computer bios logical drives wondered scsi drives hang 
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difference organization tampere university technology computing centre lines distribution inet nntp posting host joedal lars joedal writes clock frequency differences types processors list extend correct true processor cache cache emulates true processor internal mathematical coprocessor correct correct internal cache correct extended instruction instructions sorta mathematical coprocessor sorta separate intel processors complete list cyrix products anssi anssi saari tampere university technology finland europe 
rockwell chipset good organization department computer science copenhagen lines tdbear thomas barrett writes article bradley zbiciak writes word chipset specific specific brand rockwell rockwell chipset assortment firmware problems pretty expected modem talking modem revised pretty oblivious current firmware problems comment bought twincom rockwell chipset cheap hear problems stay clear board rockwell opposed internal implementation speed buffering interface interface number interrupts dropped multitasking conditions windows speed buffering works external modems internal serial port board phew lucky twincom internal version rockwell chips marked hear mentioned firmware problems niels 
distribution world organization user user pcboard reply luong lonestar luong lines somone explain stuff modems usrobotics cheap connect fast modems explain free choice blue wave 
scsi organization gandalf data lines smace scott mace writes article wlsmith heart wayne smith writes hernia laughing realize vesa super dooper local ultra high tech controller sucks scsi obsolete killed vesa local luck archeitecture doen sbus hook busmaster controller vesa local slows system real nice shafted bucks extra cost scsi drive scsi controller yeah absolutely video graphics possibly advantage runs bits people forget specifically designed interface directly ides eisa times standard running running burn scsi esdi speed gain advantage hook caching controller suspect software disk cache write caching makes disks fuji drives high yousuf khan 
work ultra organization mdssc lines unable gateway windows ordered ultra pretty select matter flex program program group remains ghosted windows build drivers drivers installed gateway file missing hard drive runs fine desktop window select refuses ghosted time accepts enter desktop back time unghost main flex window keith mancus black powder alcohol states cities fall back wall leslie fish 
question organization university texas arlington lines kind soul email response time read group question hard drive left space doublespace matters advance jason jason brown player ruben sierra 
work ultra article geraldo organization university texas austin austin texas lines nntp posting host flubber utexas article mancus nasa keith mancus writes unable gateway windows ordered ultra pretty select matter flex program program group remains ghosted windows build drivers drivers installed gateway file missing hard drive runs fine desktop window select refuses ghosted time accepts enter desktop back time unghost main flex window mach install refresh rate custom monitor option daniel matthew coleman internet dcoleman utexas dcoleman utexas university texas austin decnet utxvms dcoleman electrical computer engineering bitnet dcoleman bitnet 
question fastmicro organization systems lines thought read fastmicro financial difficulties true find posting wondering confirm eric sebastian 
disk drives xxmessage xxdate nntp posting host bart organization kibic karolinska institute sweden useragent nuntius lines delivered diskettes inch format tage existing capacity drives diskette station richard soderberg karolinska institute systems analyst kibic voice library medical information center snail doktorsringen stockholm stockholm email richard sweden 
magitronic memory card needed organization ludus associates incorporated lines busy resurrecting machines cheap work grateful card magitronic full length memory card room rows dips total position switch addressing kind soul docs drivers beast disgustingly grateful 
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serial multiport card sale organization ludus associates incorporated lines selling arnet multiport card serial ports card docs drivers works great unix flavors aggregate offers swap monitor 
scsi keywords scsi streamer organization university waterloo lines article wlsmith heart wayne smith writes seagate controller found controller interleave drive interleave data transfer told difficult interleave seagate claims system heard built scsi brian bcwhite uwaterloo theory theory practice practice 
date stuck organization dept civil engineering vancouver canada lines nntp posting host civil article freenet latonia writes imagine leave computer time start leaving lights radio house time nuts plenty computer labs computers left time shorter lifespan offices turned fact computers labs outlived offices ways conclude thomas 
card needed reply dierksen elliot dierksen organization systems development maitland lines friend mine serial port card working cooperate documentation serial port changed moving jumpers jumpers move banks jumpers labeled bank labeled labels determined jumpers address serial port jumpers printer port guessing enables game port enable serial port work numerous setting bank success assume bank card ports suggestions greatly appreciated elliot dierksen real poncho mexican poncho sears poncho hmm foolin zappa dierksen elliot uucp 
monitors organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex mikey mike yang writes article rash digex wayne rash writes reviewed nanao released difference gateway system upgrade mike yang silicon graphics mikey optimized windows powers screen blanker appears powers turn computer meets swedish standards protected adjacent monitors personally bang buck 
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fastmicro business organization utexas mail news gateway lines nntp posting host utexas heard fastmicro business true answer number 
difference lines article joedal lars joedal clock frequency differences types processors list extend correct true processor cache cache called emulates internals real processor hookup world true processor internal mathematical coprocessor correct optimized internal internal cache correct extended instruction instructions noteworthy sorta coprocessor sorta nope frank racis computers useless give answers raise taxes middle class programs wjbc 
loopback connector made organization university western london nntp posting host hydra lines pins connect make loopback connector serial port build loopback connector test serial port steve 
diagnostic disk compaq deskpro organization software engineering institute lines article steuer rutgers robert steuer writes emergency management group compaq deskpro local company outdated problem cmos settings diagnostic disk error boot system options setup insert diagnostic diskette drive disk mail robert steuer amateur radio rutgers university internet steuer rutgers repeater system cherry hill repeater computer operating system settle robert solved problem hands version write compaq cmos settings search diagnostic disk brother fixed deskpro simtel mirror sites george 
monitors reply mikey organization silicon graphics lines nntp posting host eukanuba article rash digex wayne rash writes optimized windows powers screen blanker appears powers turn computer meets swedish standards protected adjacent monitors info personally bang buck cost mike yang silicon graphics mikey 
robotics info wanted nntp posting host maccs dcss mcmaster organization department computer science mcmaster university lines give info sportsters recently dropped courier external sportster selling brand good modems warranty carry info appreciated kevin hollyk mcmaster 
cyrix reply organization loughborough university lines impressions performance compatability benchmark program called comptest cyrix cpus program nextstep desmond 
svga card reply organization loughborough university lines hardware netters recently magazines advertising trident graphics card call faster compare tseng fastest accelerated svga market info benchmark advance desmond 
jumbo backup problems keywords tape backup gateway jumbo nntp posting host muse reply snorman organization martin marietta astronautics group distribution lines colorado memory systems jumbo tape backup unit gateway tower system found supplied backup capability fairly unreliable approx cases backup fail point hanging middle writing tape seek errors drive communication errors common backup software colorado memory systems return drive backup software reformat tapes tapes hints appreciated stuff time consuming cooperates steve norman snorman 
info maxtor scsi jumper setting summary jumper maxtor harddrive keywords harddisk maxtor article shelley qusbtinnd distribution organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host carson washington harddisk shipped specification scsi spec jumper harddrive email response philip sinn sinn washington university washington 
mitsumi organization digital equipment corporation distribution lines bought mitsumi drive soundcard outs line taking output jacks mitsumi interface card routing line input work multi media software pins john john manning opinions expressed manning enet represent digital equip 
vesa mastering organization university british columbia lines nntp posting host unixg read article benefits motherboard true board supports mastering good motherboard motherboard support mastering bought tech manual explicitly state words local mastering supports master slave modes terms synonymous reply mail read newgroup 
winjet accelerator card organization university british columbia lines nntp posting host unixg familiar video card chipset winjet market video card chipset cirrus logic tseng question expensive 
diamond stealth giving winmarks organization mail group newsreader version lines installed diamond stealth card system cache megs memory benchmark rating color driver windows winbench winmarks rating million heard million card assume wrong setup card slowing qualitas diagnostic program memory noted memory timings machine qualitas system analysis page access timing access speed ratio start start size time note things chart video memory appears orders magnitude slower system memory wait states inserted page frame ridiculously slow mapped fast memory system note stealth video bios shadowed bios ideas happening estes internet westes 
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umbdr version keywords umbdrv organization ncsu lines fombaron imag fombaron marc writes recent version umbdr work machine motherboard symphony chips supported versions helping marc heard author problems family delayed continuation development time months shame driver memory manager found require mode qemm works ultima memory runs exits provider faster stable tmcreek ncsu views respresent creek ncsu claim include funny stuff include witty tripe 
adaptec scsi comm conflict organization yale university computer science dept haven lines distribution world nntp posting host thumper yale adaptec scsi controller hard disk drive comm ethernet card reboot system receive error message boot device found pull comm card reboot fine moved controller comm card slots positions slot controller slot controller result responded problem appreciated edward keegan facility director mail keegan yale yale university computer science department phone prospect street room haven 
diamond stealth giving winmarks organization university texas austin austin texas lines nntp posting host flubber utexas article westes estes writes installed diamond stealth card system cache megs memory benchmark rating color driver windows winbench winmarks rating million heard million card assume wrong setup card slowing importantly winbench version local graphics ultra winbench scores million million winmarks depending version winbench optimistic scores winmark rating meaningless version number daniel matthew coleman internet dcoleman utexas dcoleman utexas university texas austin decnet utxvms dcoleman electrical computer engineering bitnet dcoleman bitnet 
recommendations local cache reply brinton teradyne organization teradyne boston lines article columbia penev penio penev writes divya sundaram sundaram wrote hear wisdom opinions controllers liek controller card motherboard good options preferably work compatible stacker disk compression maxtor controller machine save transfer rate variations speed tested speed difference problem interface controller memory advice megs save enjoy performance penio penev internet penev rockefeller disclaimer oppinions mine maxtor local controller generic swapping local controller controller transfer rate specs drive show maximum platter controller transfer rate dont local interface hoped improve disk performance convinced controller bottleneck entertain possibility running main memory disk cache interested solution chris brinton teradyne brinton teradyne opinions 
winjet accelerator card nntp posting host jobe organization portal communications company newsreader version lines fragante fragante wrote familiar video card chipset winjet market video card chipset cirrus logic tseng question expensive winjet video card printer accelerator manufactured lasermaster eden prairie willy ville walveranta linda finland oakland faxes automatically recognized email portal 
installing drive organization engineering services clemson university lines article wbarnes bill barnes writes recently cousin internal drive seagate model number important install vested interest machine busted mine fixed seagate forget model number find bloody thing managed drive disconnected time thing hangs bootup past system test controller instruction sheet supports drives configured cmos correctly power plugged properly learned master slave relationship supposed didn configured jumpers properly master slave thing cabling wrong combinations controller master slave controller slave master master controller slave worked possibility partitioned seperate drives cmos asks drive drive setup info drive drive confusing things drive bereft docs info cmos setup controller piece paper size index card cannibalized cable connector middle serial connection lost advance practically emergency papers thing monday william barnes suranet operations wbarnes voice disclaimer speak suranet speak told local computer guru perform level format existing hard drive system hard drives beginning word find back scoop advance bill willis 
esdi posessed demons distribution organization national association free exchange information lines ripped unripping bought maxtor esdi tech paid repaired deal thing works fine level formats spots jaws music sectors start time norton disk doctor marking fixes minutes dice uncorrectable correctable sectors ahhuurrgghh fugure thurough spinrite heard works spinrite returns clusters active ahhuurrgghh undoes problem seams worse worse level formatted problem return pissed buying afford smartdrive windows disk access create problems disk option trick controller thinking cyls selected standard head skew problem designing tommorow night yesterday technology 
beeps bios summary error signalled beeps power keywords beeps organization university rochester rochester york lines nntp posting host troi rochester motherboard bios located motherboard manual suddenly giving beeps turn power working fine morning gave kinds problems windows multiple reboots beeps sits beeps means 
motherboard docs organization world public access unix brookline lines told message leading edge flaky motherboard friend game replace docs mother board cheertron board award bios sticker switches blue blocks idea jumpers replaced hard drives modems installed math processes league docs lost give news regularly mail passman shirl 
ncsa telnet organization argonne national laboratory argonne illinois newsreader version lines configure ncsa telnet work ethernet board fine attempt telnet machine hangs blank screen blinking green cursor ideas mail lepper mjlepper 
diamond stealth giving winmarks reply westes message lines organization real life stealth switches back plane older revision board winmark results absolutely normal revision board benchmarks million winmarks mine 
connor jumper settings organization university southern california angeles lines nntp posting host aludra answer hand answer mail quickly pair jumpers side labeled sync whhich short disconnect drive operate slave mode give label geographic label jumpers wanna trial error method drive scsi compatible jimmy jimmyhua 
needed setting ncsa telnet appletalk phonenet summary organization bowling green state univ lines install ncsa telnet couple bunch machines true blue ibms fallon phonenet cards dastar cards belive names correct docs telnet appletalk driver success succesfully installed telnet appletalk config file telnet reply mail jeremy jeremy zawodny computer science undergrad bowling green state university jzawodn bgsu student computer consultant thrilled user 
scsi hard drives reply luoma brandeis organization brandeis university lines response directly luoma brandeis email sufficient number interesting responses post summary april waded mass scsi posting missed answers question posted early successfully scsi hard drives system interested scsi boot drive managed feat information drives scsi controller motherboard bios relevant info advance robert luoma luoma brandeis flames stored worn drive 
recommendations local cache organization netcom line communication services guest newsreader version lines penio penev penev wrote maxtor controller machine save transfer rate variations speed tested speed difference problem interface controller memory chris brinton brinton teradyne wrote maxtor local controller generic swapping local controller controller transfer rate specs drive show maximum platter controller transfer rate dont local interface hoped deal transfer rates throughput close platter controller rate close limit interface drives interleaved rates sequential read msdos program bios calls read sector blocks sequentially track maxtor quantum disk buffer read program reads block repeatedly effect reading buffer drive maxtor quantum coretest transfer rate agree maxtor quantum managed hold quantum product manual excrutiating detail describing bits platter controller interface bits whipped platter high speed buffer thaw host swear whats happening relevent quotes manual data transferred disk read buffer rate maximum minimum calculations show maximum minimum disk spins sectors track inside single burst errors bits sector corrected real time occur allowing high degree data integrity impact drive performance error correction bottleneck page mode operations data transfer rate buffer high transfer rate interface communicate data transfer rate simultaneously controls disk transfers thing cache fetch sending requested sector read buffers fetching guess call cache sequential read outer tracks measly hard disk engineers wondering disks slow david david stam linux choice generation stam openlook free 
create messie question organization eindhoven university technology netherlands lines distribution world nntp posting host wswiop time create lots questions flooding able write lack time knowledge experience perry egelmeers 
scsi organization state university york stony brook lines nntp posting host engws sunysb article smace scott mace writes belive busmastering vlbus pick back issue week whihc tested vlbus eisa busmastering cards recall issue posted message related back provoke argument straight dope article give definitive answers stasic estasic sunysb 
winjet accelerator card organization university british columbia lines nntp posting host unixg portal ville walveranta writes winjet video card printer accelerator manufactured lasermaster eden prairie winjet laserjet winjet accelerator video card marketed canada thought heard thing 
pentium clock counts organization sandia national laboratories lines list clock counts pentium instructions integer tick stockman hwstock llnl 
clones legal organization university pennsylvania lines nntp posting host fred wharton upenn friend mine called phone told wathcing report ruling prohibiting selling clones thrown making legal ship verify advance phil 
pinouts floppy connectors organization sensor data processing center redondo beach distribution lines posting gentle zenith external floppy connector sharp toshiba laptops floppy work pinouts zenith make adapters pinouts manufacturers floppy connectors greatly info mail jeff flyboy jeff wright flyboy phone space park redondo beach 
diamond stealth giving winmarks organization university pennsylvania lines nntp posting host eniac seas upenn posting winmark results good idea give version winbench obtain scores resolution tested version drivers eric balog balog seas upenn 
uarts uucico windows reply russell ersys edmonton russell schulz organization private system edmonton canada newsreader rusnews lines turtle darkside fred waller writes stupid sense hardware solutions software problem proper programmer function deleted amazing find reference waffle followups redirected russell schulz russell ersys edmonton ersys rschulz shad 
work ultra lines nntp posting host univrs lmsc lockheed organization lockheed palo alto research labs article mancus nasa keith mancus writes unable gateway windows ordered ultra pretty select matter flex program program group remains ghosted windows build drivers drivers installed gateway file missing hard drive runs fine desktop window select refuses ghosted time accepts enter desktop back time unghost main flex window keith problem colors stuck flex stuff solved entering advanced window flex program pannel changing color palette vaugeness hope helps matt sexton sexton space lockheed 
monitors organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex mikey mike yang writes article rash digex wayne rash writes optimized windows powers screen blanker appears powers turn computer meets swedish standards protected adjacent monitors info personally bang buck cost mike yang silicon graphics mikey difference dollars wrong things change press time publication 
scsi cable connectors organization silicon graphics mountain view lines danj parallan jones writes remember posting scsi spec calls foot devices cable cables internal meet spec scsi draft proposal section single ended cable cable requirements section implementor note stub clustering avoided stubs spaced meters technical stubs scsi devices aware implementor notes basicly recommendations part spec noted vendors including violate main point reduce impedance reflections noise silence consent dave olson silent dissents silicon graphics maria isabel barreno olson 
printers summary printers keywords printers nntp posting host isis msstate organization mississippi state university lines recently plunged world amigas establish network printers panasonic printing receipts okidata letters world unix printer print handle guess leave peecees good move unix mubashir cheema sparco communications lagalarie russell street suite email msstate starkville 
file format summary file format keywords file format organization royal melbourne institute technology lines nntp posting host melomys rmit email post microsoft file format research format disks video clips interesting interleaves sound video mark gregory lecturer gregory royal melbourne institute technology department communication electronic engineering melbourne victoria australia mark gregory lecturer gregory royal melbourne institute technology department communication electronic engineering melbourne victoria australia 
utility switch locks ctrl keys organization mail group newsreader version lines official keyboards keyboard attached clone computer software utility switch locations ctrl locks keys party make ctrl lock replacements visually switch keys estes internet westes 
organization distribution keywords lines unable work diagnostic programs show installed software options hardware conflict workaround problemand system tower video card ports board coma external device internal modem dfio port card primary port mouse board work boot disk command eliminate softwar suggestions call technical support john siegel 
cover organization amiga bitswap central dispatch lines interested pulse group extended operation cover removed enclosure reasons including quick access jumpers complex card setups concern complete enclosure direct cooling flow spots develop motherboard adequate supply moving system offices homes positive ventilation generally system cover extended periods problem talking completely removing cover leaving slots uncovered biggest reason cover begin sheilding operating system full cover create problems equipment neighbor radio station eyes slmr remember tools life dlgqwk 
umbdr version keywords umbdrv organization simon fraser university burnaby canada lines 
organization vitec lines people horrer stories people reformat disks start drive compress work fine compress thing choke spit unintelligable warning hang left drive autoexec config calls microsoft busy signals reformatting drive guts reinstall stay entity marginal drive upgrade failed format floppy disk format drive reinstall make claims driving time careful make back important things interested people similar success stories 
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clones legal organization sophomore math computer science carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply excerpts netnews comp hardware clones legal upenn friend mine called phone told wathcing report ruling prohibiting selling clones thrown making legal ship verify true read article clarinet send district court judge william ingram francisco threw jury verdict prohibiting intels microcode david sward sward finger email public fingerprint stop brother chip clipper wiretap chip 
sale nntp posting host unseen acns organization northwestern university evanston illinois distribution lines megs harddrive stacked stacker floppy expansion slots drive bays card monitor interesting combination cash trade located chicago mail address tmccn acns call allister 
cdrom audio cable lines organization state long beach distribution cdrom audio cable connect toshiba audio audio spectrum sound card advance pointers steve steve network manager stevela calstate university long beach bellflower blvd long beach 
scsi reply bgrubb nmsu message lines organization grebyn timesharing article bgrubb nmsu grubb writes richk richard krehbiel writes stuff connection deleated clock width speed sighted quick math part shows bits wide performing transfer clock cycles provide bytes takes clock cycles perform transfer reduces transfer rate commonly figure speed clock transfer wait states richard krehbiel richk amigados 
date stuck organization netcom line communication services guest lines jamesc james chuang writes leave radio night computers front windoze schedule tasks computers hould shut night starting morning means good coffee break jamesc asks addition startup time leave things running doubles machine original subject replies bios cmos clock date logic running months recently month noticed intermittent clock problem stated date roll forward notice clock minutes unattended generally running minimized clock winfax print manager word file manager program manager random screen saver generally running barry sardis home laurie avenue office jose email bsardis 
monitors reply zrdf amoco organization amoco production company tulsa research lines viewsonic claim compare terms price quality display living tulsa time rusty foreman rforeman amoco amoco production research uunet apctrc zrdf phone tulsa 
gateway booting floppy organization ground lines newsreader gateway inch floppy drive accidentally discovered floppy diskettets drive boot system diskette message machine hangs cmos overwritten luckily gateway sends print standard cmos settings systems formatted fuji disks disks problem format fuji disks problem virus scan scan disks found idea hardware problem virus detected system reading garbage boot sector king tcking 
controller controller organization singapore notes server lines buying quantum hardisk deciding controller controller faster controller card hear controller slower controller true shed light email post beng hang telnet singapore networks operation phone hewlett packard singapore depot road internet taybh singapore republic singapore 
debugging hardware problems article serval organization washington state university lines article john carr writes running linux eisa system hardware problems software trouble advice debug symptom build unpredictable unrepeatable results file valid format recompiling file valid binary compiler aborts dumps core works fine input compiling source files arguments slight differences object files note linux unlike systems timestamps object files compiling give identical results occasional filesystem corruption scsi drive caused development software related problems compiling compile problems caused disk problems results work scsi disk memory speed cache write speed recommended values recommended junk suspect external cache real evidence motherboard nice super eisa write back cache processor system test program linux linux fire compile libc kernel time running suggestions problem memory motherboard cache suggestions debug problem change wait state turn turbo change speed swap 
diff mouse newsreader version organization private coherent system lines sanson wmich wrote difference loading mouse autoexec device mouse config difference time driver loaded mouse loaded config therefor command mouse loaded autoexec command mouse started commandline booting unloaded driver loaded working drivers totally preferred loading drivers autoexec programs drivers choose needed startup drdos advantage drdos lets choose config drivers loaded michael michael michael gerhards preussenstrasse germany neuss voice 
beeps bios newsreader version organization private coherent system lines wayne nichols gwni rochester wrote motherboard bios multiple reboots beeps sits referring manual motherboard bios beeps cmos shutdown register read write error system stops beeps system continues keyboard error michael michael michael gerhards preussenstrasse germany neuss voice 
weitek future plans organization massachusetts institute technology lines distribution world nntp posting host central article wrote article robert robert plamondon writes article hodgen koblenz wayne hodgen writes accelerated board vram true colour fast side supermac announced line accelerated cards color start retail wait long rupert 
reboot problem organization university texas arlington lines usma received usma usma trotter usma received usma usma message date usma peckham david subject problem status running unisys problem loaded computer beeps times rapidly hangs obscure reset requires screwdriver pencil power switch reboot solution problem mail usma dave dave david peckham internet usma military academy jason brown player ruben sierra 
sound blaster midi nntp posting host sysk organization society terminally hard thinking lines process writing number programs sound blaster voice editor site stage midi port enter music play synth remotely problem info midi port sound blaster freedom project routines results port locking couple accesses loss note velocity data byte turbo grateful info source fragments berlin summer book information german poor book mail request concerns standard file formats file format standard secret file format instrument bank files roland music files finally source displaying files monitors makes sense colin 
sending null character ethernet nntp posting host organization math stats dalhousie university halifax canada newsreader version lines question sending null character ethernet connection actual problem emacs unix editior null character setting mark ethernet wondering anyboy keyboard combination sending null character control shift ctrl work saeid 
distribution organization suny college oswego oswego lines article john siegel writes unable work diagnostic programs show installed software options hardware conflict workaround problemand system tower video card ports board coma external device internal modem dfio port card primary port mouse board boot disk command eliminate softwar suggestions call technical support john siegel problem time bioses automatically install port tables programs modem programs write directly port work fine bios call fails find site copy port finder device config autoexec program locate existing ports make bios tables updated works great swap ports allen mulvey mulvey oswego 
advice select sound card keywords sound card nntp posting host juno nasa organization lines advice netland selecting sound card sound card select list sound blaster miscrosoft sound card audio spectrum sound blaster sound blaster allocated budget sound cards select opti cdrom connect sound card kent khioe nasa 
funet organization eindhoven university technology netherlands lines distribution world nntp posting host wswiop artieb writes posting earlier refered funet directory msdos funet find directory msdos directory wrong funet funet funet biggest site europe stuff site pool perry egelmeers 
build drivers good summary organization marysville lines article larryhow writes stable build drivers people success installing running build drivers weeks problems running windows software worked fine includes games based multi media encyclopedia full motion video works fine recommend give john john gayman uucp uunet john packet 
gamecards summary gamecards keywords gamecards nntp posting host unix organization trinity college dublin lines machine finding slow games wing computer store series gamecards claim speed machine wondering similar machine bought gamecards work appreciated advance greg lies murders part world eggman 
gateway nntp posting host athansor organization lines gateway mailer america online mailer pastor paramax subject disk access date message status access windows edit system enhanced section line bitdiskaccess give bitdiskaccess scot oehlerking kscooter gateway 
eric bosco nntp posting host maccs dcss mcmaster organization department computer science mcmaster university lines eric send email address lost reconsidered kevin 
gateway opinions sought nntp posting host aslslc organization america irving texas distribution lines beaten death forum buying gateway monitor heard negative stuff gateway monitors heard tough technical support seeking opinions wise ahead based criteria price warranty service general ruggedness system reliability machine gateway advise advance vasudev murthy vasudev murthy opinions expressed strictly murthy advanced switching america walnut hill lane irving 
summary doubledisk gold organization wisconsin madison college engineering lines netters promised summary opinions doubledisk gold people happy product opinion good compared industry leader stacker superstor considered slower stacker reliable byte magazine conclusion hard make decision stacker doubledisk gold buddy christyono buddy wisc summary replies buddy gold experience ordered version pleased performance suggestion compression software compression discussion compression built utilities means doubledisk cost upgrade thinking decided wrong update cost suffered performance large packages compressed uncompressed format works great delays arguements bunk comparable performance forward able loadhigh annoyance stacker worth effort upgrade mark bagdy buddy mailer weeks installed documentation opinion easy follow automatic installation custom smoothly specific instructions readme file dealing qemm uninstall unlike system hard drive installing free free pretty good statistics permanent windows swap file stayed uncompressed portion drivers problems whatsoever noticed slowdown takes longer boot windows happy camper bruce bruce steinke bsteinke good piece rope software technical support engineer gamgee evans sutherland computer corp doubledisk gold month seagate drive running windows enhanced mode tests concluded speed doubledisk drive drive read cache equal bare drive cache complaints reliability easy install problem castle wolfenstein assumed game bypass disk access moved game compressed region disk game problem damage doubledisk drive compression performance disk held steady lower expected size files compressed image files large files specific questions bought happy drives doubledisk gold product msdos shipping problems product bjornseth bjornset messages 
master problem summary problem master devices keywords master controller scsi organization qualcomm diego lines nntp posting host athena qualcomm vesa local cards video scsi heard problem mastering controllers effect slow system heard problem specifically interested ultrastor scsi controller shell bucks thing straight scoop controller problems kimball rkimball 
gateway nntp posting host tophat organization motorola cellular infrastructure group lines article scott scott linn writes playing gateway local machine night apparent windows give option access virtual memory permanent swap file disk drive local interface expected investigating option appears massage switches system virtual memory section flip bitaccess switch driver wdctl switch enable access hard drives controllers support fast disk access throw windoze install weekend incredible finally real humble 
ultra nanao nntp posting host chaos organization wind river systems lines mancus nasa keith mancus writes functions position size images resolutions thought neat feature noticed image sized scanning frequency necessarily changed digital multiscan monitors confused mode frequency standard selections reason factory defaults position size card adjust mode individually time monitor multiscan monitors ability recall settings time mode detected edward mcclanahan 
venable wallace venable organization college engineering nntp posting host lines people horrer stories people reformat disks start standard installation program machine stacker installed problems stacker switch pleased memory gained memory manager multiple boot feature 
null modem cable organization muskingum college lines interrested extrodinarily simple concept null modem cable idea count statement pins specifications solder buying port kimmell muskingum kevin intending cable transfers link telix ideas info gladly accepted 
kentucky fried cmos beats hardees organization becton dickinson research center lines nntp posting host otis bdrc folks short cmos chip mine fried symptoms computer gateway boot turn power disconnect battery cmos chip turn power setup cmos configuration error cmos exit setup phoenix bios ignore diskette seek error press computer boots hard drives accessible floppy drives back network reboot turn computer repeat steps simply computer hangs memory test sound cmos chip fried kind attention john john lusth becton dickinson research center 
wanted opinions insight talon multimedia kits nntp posting host organization motorola austin texas lines familiar insight distribution network multimedia kits buying insight talon bundled drive access time multispin multi session photo capability sound card familiar insight drive texel clear part bundle sales people give straight answer drawbacks questions excuse ignorance texel reputable maker market drive bottom line worth money alternatively thinking overkill full multimedia capabilities photo stuff educational programs kids considered lower difference tape back drive unit basically hear kits pros cons advise preferably directly email address koji koji kodama nippon motorola ryvg note opinions expressed mine reflect opinions policies motorola affiliates 
organization brookhaven national laboratory distribution lines machine hold finger blowing heat sink advice chris kushmerick kushmer found niche life 
monitors organization university pennsylvania lines nntp posting host compstat wharton upenn reply zrdf amoco message article zrdf amoco rusty foreman writes viewsonic claim compare terms price quality display interested viewsonic monitors flesh tony 
mounting cooler vertical case organization mail group newsreader version lines installed clone motherboard mounting cooler chip hour weight cooler dislodge mount ended bending pins luckily power ended pressing deeply socket putting cooler back good problem ensure weight heatsink eventually work socket mounting motherboard vertical case estes internet westes 
hint eisa motherboard keywords motherboard organization network management technology distribution lines article schauf brian schaufenbuel writes buying companion brand eisa motherboards hint chipsets experience board good information helpful brian schaufenbuel eisa motherboard hint chipset limited eisa real eisa hint eisa addressing limitation reason pass hawk eisa replace reason double check words call motherboard manufacturer motherboard supports true eisa limitation motherboard works mine windows unix adaptec eisa scsi host adapter gary korenek korenek network management technology incorporated sugar land texas 
soundblaster port settings reply andrew organization tektronix color printers wilsonville oregon lines disk controller call devices devices requires exclusive interrupt ownership disk controller keyboard devices require exclusive ownership share interrupt device standard laptop separate interface cards share interrupt screwup design soundblaster drive interrupt number hold wire times depending interrupt precludes letting card assert interrupt number devices share interrupt implemented single card andrew klossner andrew 
zeos computers organization hewlett packard newsreader version lines zeos couple months experience painless perfect endured people personally ordered gateways gateway buyers rewarded free stuff gateway track viper card defective zeos replaced minor hassles works fine noticed problems applications ordered complaints months guess choose buggy state stuff robust average stuff configuration tower watt supply monitor viper zeos slightly cheaper gateway austin change month month mike 
link imagewriter organization university north florida jacksonville lines hook apple imagewriter clone problem configuring port accept adjust baud parity system mode work post mail abort retry format doctor give chainsaw trust scientist larry henson 
organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines distribution nntp posting host student cwru newsreader version christopher kushmerick kushmer wrote machine hold finger recall close boiling point water exact temperature putting heat sink hurt depends paranoid damien neil cwru debugs reality case western reserve university quick patch cmps eeap linux choice generation erik green 
orchid fahrenheit mini review organization weitek corporation sunnyvale lines article sherwood geoffrey sherwood writes modern trend orchid card supports colors mode driver breaks program svga modes roms case supports vesa modes colors vesa compliant applications trouble setting modes forwarding posting software group case careful doubt applications failing lots stuff depends figuring exact svga vesa calls vesa pretty chip confuses supported resolutions annoy driver monitors listed generic choose generic high refreshes limited hardware able support bandwidth able higher vertical resolution main reason bought card orchid function ramdac speed power problems noted list interested text file holds data choices monitor installation program built working analogy build monitor definition combinations refresh rates monitors backup copy file built version file installation program inst choices show assumes weitek drivers number modification time driver version microsoft gimmick board faster ofvlb things hercules speedy program program tests operations reports results pixels numbers graphite card close half ofvlb slower running numbers comparable numbers obtained motherboard chipset memory give ranges program reports numbers computes tend jump speedy benchmark hercules knowledge unencumbered motivations making hercules graphite card good numbers salt texas instruments thing wintach make good compared cared safer safe benchmarks unbiased sources testing labs columnists interestingly solid vectors shaded polygons show improvement hatched polygons filled cross hatching ternary rops graphics operations xors dead loss large discrepancy results speedy results universe things give numbers fonts caching fonts drawn screen fairly slowly speed ofvlb speed increases dramatically sounds programming benchmark font caching perfectly legitimate optimization windows hooks built kind silly hardwired quick brown jumped lazy tack string driver useless real applications lacks programming elegance bart simpson optimization save bitmap recently drawn string screen memory screen screen bitblit happen string time call bart simpson optimization bart person benefiting cheat benchmarks hundred times half time form character make claims numbers computer write disclaimers time testing totally unconnected work program unix decstations completely knowledge blessing equipment company lawyers working intel lawyer montana didn died robert robert plamondon robert attention curtain great glorious spoken scene trade show 
ultra windows drivers work organization university texas austin lines bought gateway system ultra video card work fine windows drivers modes fonts icons start deteriorating windows startup minutes screen totally unintelligible naturally called gateway tech support inquire technician asked drivers told version build told drivers ultra simply work true simply amazed strange thing expected discussion subject made suspicious point stated windows accelerator boards working drivers windows easily challenged running diamond mode home months tested mode backed diamond working drivers longer wanted trouble feedback appreciated system configuration gateway local megs scsi ultrastor local scsi controller ultra local vram windows mach drivers version build advance vali reza utexas 
problems toshiba cdrom organization norsk hydro lines distribution world reply hktth hydro nntp posting host bgibm hydro article columbia imad jureidini writes recently purchased toshiba cdrom adaptec scsi card failed cdrom work works drive faulty config aspi aspidisk aspicd autoexec mscdex mscdex find install drive drive switch drive error message telling drive ready cdrom locked adaptec utilities recognize cdrom point problem abvious missing finally wondering setup kindly post config autoexec aspi drivers aspicd supports norst paramter means reset scsi loads fixed problem friend mine adaptec tosh terje 
volante warp board organization panix public access unix lines troubleshooting existence general protection faults eisa system point narrowed problem video drivers volante warp adapter national design find hard experiences board robert moskal brooklyn 
vesa controller card organization muskingum college lines local increase speed drives vesa controller card advice jimmy buddenberg internet jbuddenberg muskingum muskingum college 
system lines nntp posting host mcgill organization mcgill university small problem sound blaster game utility system mark brown 
info diamond viper video card organization hewlett packard cupertino lines experiences diamond viper video card problems million colors resolution vram color depth supported video bios version drivers version colors supported resolutions vram color choice notice minor irritations entry list highlighted open menu deselected faint vertical line remains left edge highlighted rectangle word windows shading table display shows inverse shading shade cell display printout killer borland integrated development environment problem occurs click turbo debugger icon debugger option command debugger application character mode designed screen haywire largely unreadable turbo debugger display garbled trial error found disrupted screen displayed spacebar letter instructs turbo debugger refresh screen satisfactorily diamond drivers disruptive behavior standard driver windows video card mishandles mode problem monitor shows monitor place usual video card hoping problems remedied offer year warranty 
nntp posting host ultb organization rochester institute technology lines dumb question hard drive father hook computer geometry drive bios doubt thought software controller card card level format computer assuming drive formatting advthanksance 
organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply cwru robert novitskey nntp posting host cwru heard performance stats fabled wondering performance compared pentium info helpful robert novitskey cwru cwru cleve ohio computer engineer programmer seeking summer jobs 
bios summary subject keywords bios motherboard phoenix mylex microtimes organization netcom online communication services guest distribution lines market upgrade bios phoenix hard disk discovered bios type purchase things checked motherboard manufacturer curious mylex hearing figure prompted shop problem shop heard bios speciality shop south alleged advertise microtimes find microtimes find shop quest replies advance jeff chan opinions jeff ikos silly netcom ikos jeff company 
turbo speed organization university western australia lines nntp posting host tartarus newsreader percival wrote delivery machine nice query landmark speed turbo problem problem speed turbo equivalent terms nice porsche button turns skateboard clue determines relative performance turbo turbo give landmark speed turbo cheers halved turbo 
loopback connector made organization university western australia lines nntp posting host tartarus newsreader wrote pins connect make loopback connector serial port build loopback connector test serial port steve skcgoh 
hint eisa motherboard keywords motherboard organization iowa state university ames distribution lines article korenek gary korenek writes article schauf brian schaufenbuel writes buying companion brand eisa motherboards hint chipsets experience board good information helpful brian schaufenbuel eisa motherboard hint chipset limited eisa real eisa hint eisa addressing limitation reason pass hawk eisa replace reason double check words call motherboard manufacturer motherboard supports true eisa limitation motherboard works mine windows unix adaptec eisa scsi host adapter gary korenek korenek network management technology incorporated sugar land texas correct motherboard manufacturer boards problem fixed weeks brian schaufenbuel brian schaufenbuel government sooner learns helser halsted draining money pockets ames people college students adam smith 
floppy reads wrote nntp posting host cantva canterbury reply nick fitzgerald organization university canterbury christchurch zealand lines article pdressne netx peter dressner writes gateway floppy drive reads files wrote floppy floppies formatted files machines unreadable floppies written defective floppy drive long time unreadable sounds head alignment problem fixing alignment screws adjust thing make files floppies read drive floppy floppy drives copied floppy drive fixing alignment problem kissd files goodbye misalign drive back read floppies count able generally head alignment trust good repair shop guides nick fitzgerald applications consultant canterbury fitzgerald canterbury 
gateway ethernet card drivers needed organization public access unix denver math dept lines able find device drivers couple older gateway ethernet cards model number hand connector header connector novell keycard installed node copy picked swap meet love lantastic netware lite poor college student price reply email time news exams mike gordon mwgordon 
otronics attache luggable info needed organization public access unix denver math dept lines info pcmade otronics oltronics called attache beauty luggable inch screen monochrome floppies serial ports connectors labled printer figure pinouts standard ports addressable figured work give pointers appreciative reply email news finals coming mike gordon mwgordon 
hooking irwin tape drive keywords irwin tape backup external unit organization university illinois urbana lines people responded post clear things tape drive external connector back male variety result easily find cost effective solution drive advice greatly appreciated prefer email tony shan tonys 
sale sound blaster card hurry lines soundblaster card sale recently purchased sbpro card complete mint condition manuals docs disks original packaging make offer canadian inquiries prefered respond april mail acps ryerson 
ultra windows drivers work lines nntp posting host ecru utexas organization university texas austin lines article reza utexas alireza vali writes bought gateway system ultra video card work fine windows drivers modes fonts icons start deteriorating windows startup minutes screen totally unintelligible naturally called gateway tech support inquire technician asked drivers told version build told drivers ultra simply work true simply amazed strange thing expected discussion subject made suspicious point stated windows accelerator boards working drivers windows easily challenged running diamond mode home months tested mode backed diamond working drivers longer wanted trouble feedback appreciated system configuration gateway local megs scsi ultrastor local scsi controller ultra local vram windows mach drivers version build able successfully color modes gateway system setup complicated sounds hardware conflict problem memory aperture heard rumors incompatibilities scsi card variety systems call gateway give hell daniel matthew coleman internet dcoleman utexas dcoleman utexas university texas austin decnet utxvms dcoleman electrical computer engineering bitnet dcoleman bitnet 
controller controller reply taybh message lines organization grebyn timesharing article taybh beng hang writes buying quantum hardisk deciding controller controller faster controller card faster interface fundamentally extension hook work fast slower meaning speed hear controller slower controller hand expect slower richard krehbiel richk amigados 
identifying serial board organization strategic software redford michigan lines multi port serial board unknown origin hoping board switches jumbers description card card noticed contacts extension connected chips sockets connecters labeled external female connector pins banks switches banks switches jumpers determined traces switches control interrupt level ports switches meager ability follow identification printed board multi serial port board bottom serial number blank immediately words serial left numbers clues greatly appreciated dwayne uucp ways make scream dwayne bailey intel advertisement strategic software june doctor dobbs journal redford michigan 
ctix graphicsengine nntp posting host ravel udel organization university delaware lines bought actix graphics engine megs impressed sorts problems board lock windows problems screen centering flexibilty choosing synch rates monitor buggy windows drivers lack driver cards mail ultra brad udel brad cain cain white udel university delaware electrical engineering cain udel blah blah blah blah 
drive boot organization royal melbourne institute technology lines nntp posting host minyos rmit balog seas upenn eric balog writes recently switched drive problem read write correctly boot floppy checked cmos settings floppy seek boot boot order floppy systems files message telling disk systems disk drive work systems disk drive power memory test light light short beep light instant light light disk activity kind screen blanks ctrl suggestions checked setting drive floppy setting drive foppy cable connecting drives controller card remember wires swapped determine drive hope steve 
simms sipps needed organization tiger garage lines yuri washington writes simms sipps price piece assume talking simms sipps speed pieces week price port waiting offer price dream tiger waiting offer yuri yulaev seattle home work internet yuri washington uucp beaver atmos washington yuri 
disk data compression interleave lines experience report disk data compression effect optimal disk sector interleave offhand expect time required decompress disk data increase optimum disk sector interleave alan hinds 
chaining drives summary trouble master slave drives nntp posting host ualberta organization university alberta edmonton canada lines conner quantum drive conner master quantum slave doesn work able access drives boot floppy drives boot running msdos conner partitioned primary formatted system files types setups changed controller cards boot floppy works great booting part system report error message hangs suggestions similar problem thinking update bios drives suggestions answers greatly appreciated reply jason badry badry ualberta 
scsi organization auspex systems santa clara lines nntp posting host alpha auspex article wlsmith heart wayne smith writes stuff deleted lowly density original card controller doesn makes real sense make reasonable amount sense fixed disk sectors buffered controller transferring memory insw instruction called efficient single instruction fast controller cached critical resource relative performance interference loss cycles computing insw sequence floppy hand buffered floppy data transfer stink wally bass 
date stuck organization auspex systems santa clara lines nntp posting host alpha auspex article oecjtb orbital dialix john bongiovanni writes stuff deleted hear order date advance clock make date system call apparently clock hardware interrupt bios date advance automatically date call notices midnight reset flag advances date info problems bios routine updates bios clock increment wrapping clock past midnight lost calls bios read clock meantime bios resets wrap indicator date call wrap indicator bios date call midnight kernel part increment date wrap indication lost guess kevin menu system bios calls read clock order display time entity wrap indication lost menu system notices wrap good update menu system calls time kernel bios call wrap indicator processed properly possibly menu system easily calls time reentrant time incrementing ofters occur menu system inside call wally bass 
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problems toshiba cdrom nntp posting host cunixa columbia reply columbia imad jureidini organization columbia university lines article hktth hydro writes article columbia imad jureidini writes recently purchased toshiba cdrom adaptec scsi card failed cdrom work aspi drivers aspicd supports norst paramter means reset scsi loads fixed problem friend mine adaptec tosh terje worked columbia imad hexabyte jureidini ultimate knight grand priest secrets undefined 
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jumbo backup problems keywords tape backup gateway jumbo nntp posting host tophat organization motorola cellular infrastructure group distribution lines article snorman writes colorado memory systems jumbo tape backup unit gateway tower system found supplied backup capability fairly unreliable approx cases backup fail point hanging middle writing tape seek errors drive communication errors common backup software colorado memory systems return drive backup software reformat tapes tapes hints appreciated stuff time consuming cooperates identical setup tower config months previous discussions thing check conflicts devices especically funky suspect tape fresh good luck 
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list harddisk specs organization universitaet saarlandes rechenzentrum lines nntp posting host sbusol configuration harddisks update collected carsten grammes hucg published regularly comp hardware explicitly warranty settings correct harmless collect check possibility settings destroy hardware hope minded people undergo effort posting settings chance applicability exists agree disagree setting immediately order update list possess mentioned bios jumper settings mail update list harddisks accounted landing zone equal number cylinders write precompensation bioses statement harddisk precomp lzone precomp built parameter lzone disk autopark jumpers names printed board jumper number means jumper means jumper left open means jumper closed conner peripherals drive geometry conner drives level formatted factory setup fdisk format model heads cylinders sectors pcomp zone type table table table jumper settings jumper settings single drive jumper single drive jumper master drive jumper master drive jumper slave drive jumpers installed slave drive jumpers installed table conner mbyte drives jumper settings drive type conner mbyte drives drive type single master drive jumper slave drive jumpers installed universal translate select drive type close exceed megabyte capacity drive drive translate megabyte capacity selected installed conner master caviar slave jumper caviar seemingly normal behaviour writes caviar overwrite directories fastback impossible workaround install caviar master conner slave details fujitsu drives standard heads physical physical speed capacity connector function position active mode slave present mode iochrdy jumpers reserved drive system drive system reserved reserved function position slave drive mode jumpers master drive mode bytes bytes function position write protect enabled jumpers write protect disabled reserved guess marks factory default setting jumper bios settings bios setting system cylinders sectors heads drive subject slave drive conner drive contacting support company gave answer works factory default sets drive single drive setting makes slave drive model cylinders heads sectors capacity million bytes switches switch block drives aware manual master slave master slave bytes bytes bytes write protect disabled enabled channel ready disabled enabled idea function values listed factory default settings kalok bios heads sectors kalok bios heads sectors jumper settings reported valid kalok drives single installed conner master caviar slave jumper caviar seemingly normal behaviour writes caviar overwrite directories fastback impossible workaround install caviar master conner slave bios settings cyln heads sect lzone wenn braucht drive master cable drive slave drive conner drive jumper drive telephone numbers miniscribe maxtor info tech support back list number maxtor quantum support seagate info tech support back collection live part world postcard pinboard surely answer carsten grammes experimental physics universitaet saarbruecken saarbruecken germany 
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parity error system halted ideas organization illinois institute technology chicago lines recently bought motherboard booklet board simms board machine super card model niether motherboard card booklet state manufacurers trident svga card pertinent info problem computer freezes displays parity error system halted messages depending memory parity error checking disabled enabled setup bios makes sense bios board back dealer replaced simms error frequently worked dealer start screwing till home figures simms inserted reverse order making connections solid suspicion jumps damn controller serial parallel game port card motherboard forbid peace david geller gelldav 
info cyrix chip distribution world organization home sweet home lines cyrix released conpatible clone designed upgrade chips clockdoubling transformed single chip upgrade australia sells price motherboard slots thing cost states work info steven pemberton notebook apana 
speed organization university arizona tucson lines article nctu writes robert desonia robert desonia arbor wrote param bios setup default able work didnt mess back didnt boot exactlt dows leave impossible operated neat mother board clock stopped boot correct means wait states depends motherboard cards system stopped boot controller handle faster speed divider close gain singificant performace increase video card harddisk transfer rate boost speed system work flawlessly setting refuse boot cent 
level format organization university arizona tucson lines article mandel uiuc hector mandel writes accidentally level format western digital caviar drive public domain shareware utility expert pretty recover drive mapping information written directly drives level format information back send back western digital refurbish 
blowing stack expires organization carroll college waukesha lines question stack programming turbo program large model large errors running memory running program compile program explain crashes running loop operator idle sitting screw variables leads stack filling overflowing program memory calling void functions return working problem days responce correct newsgroup gladly post find advance sean mars email mars carroll college waukesha 
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modems uarts newsreader version organization private coherent system lines ryan jeffrey baucom rjbaucom ncsu wrote uart exact meaning uart universal arithmetic receiver transmitter older boards uart board chips generate char received uart internal byte buffer software installed generates chars high speed modems higher throughput runs task time power transfer running multitasking unix windows work time task result lost characters broken transmissions timeouts internal modems diffrence internal modems uart board external modems connected computer serial port uart board experience higher speed modems brand reccomended cheapo clone zyxel uart coherent satisfied satisfied modem michael michael michael gerhards preussenstrasse germany neuss voice 
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adding scsi drive nntp posting host monica oracle reply ebosco oracle organization oracle corp redwood shores disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle lines computer seagate drive controler built motherboard scsi drive quantum prodrive formatted documentation understand process adding drive scsi contoler adaptec good kind expensive good boards region compatible unix scsi scsi drives true adapter drive type drive quantum connect drive adapter scsi cable power cable worry power supply watts powering floppies seagate drive setup bios recognize drive drive type drive numbers drive format create partitions drive format fdisk drives level formatted scsi fdisk work reduced msdos manual clone obliges mention fdisk ideally drive partitioned partitions anythiing forgetting appreciated lost eric ebosco oracle 
perstor system disk controller information needed nntp posting host hqseq oracle organization oracle corporation belmont distribution comp disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle lines controller perstor system business friend received controller hard time card controller supposed control drives drives model info card similar model perstor system model reply directly mail address rngai raymond ngai application system analyst oracle parkway vertical applications division redwood shores oracle corporation 
choosing scsi controler nntp posting host monica oracle reply ebosco oracle organization oracle corp redwood shores disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle lines scsi controler machine quantum harddrive adaptec good kind expensive essentially controller range drive plan windows reccomendations appreciated eric ebosco oracle 
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scsi organization intergalactic rest area weary travellers lines bgrubb nmsu grubb writes scsi scsi controller chip called scsi burst advertised scsi byte speeds mess excuse clarification thinking scsi thread time quote scsi scsi controller chip talking scsi device scsi controller talking scsi controller chip upgrade chip scsi controller board david china david uunet mimsy anagld david 
cover organization intergalactic rest area weary travellers lines biernat biernat writes interested pulse group extended operation cover removed enclosure reasons including quick access jumpers complex card setups concern complete enclosure direct cooling flow spots develop motherboard intake vents front enclosure level vents removed cover scenario rendering airflow pretty useless short periods mode heat things conclusions scientific cardboard year major effects yeah case sitting static noise poersupply pretty good cooling problems bought inch turned full output directly motherboard finally case running parts effects kids spill things leaving hair major concerns keeping static keeping cool enjoy david china david uunet mimsy anagld david 
search memory chips organization intergalactic rest area weary travellers lines rnichols robert nichols writes steps deleted interesting idea worst case data patterns developed test magnetic media totally patterns detect common faults memory chips major memory problems monthes parity error system halted error message windows check diagnose shareware memory checkers total simm system store bought shareware memory diagnostics fine errors found error address place memory chip exahperation deleted steps find memory chips found moral memory stamped sensitive critical applications back filter memory chips combinations chips creating drive test dodn alleviate parity error problems windows manage find memory chips manner failed find chip commercial shareware faild finding error pointing addreww idea chip typing stinks today feel futzing line editor david china david uunet mimsy anagld david 
kaypro jumper settings lines received kaypro computer manual describes jumpers motherboard computer setup recognize extra computer capable greater main board jumpers required expand specs kaypro main board assy number phoenix bios advance doug 
scsi organization canadian system security centre lines article guyd dawson writes article plug play scsi article plug play scsi scsi full implimentation devices beleive plain wrong scsi scsi support devices host controller targets logical units luns paul burry voice internet pburry uucp uunet cunews pburry 
card fixed frequency monitor organization source source lines standard disclaimer speak linet connected high fixed frequency monitor mitubishi monitor resolutions video cards designed sort thing expensive svga card question card resolution frequency mono hercules monitor command line monitor switch mitsu windows windows linux suggestions greatly appreciated mail steve wechsler zaphod linet call lady hawke castle respond queries mail post site purges news faster message made recycled materials 
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scsi originator randy cornell organization cornell materials science center lines article bgrubb nmsu grubb wlsmith heart wayne smith write article bgrubb nmsu grubb writes wlsmith heart wayne smith writes scsi hard drives figure includes hundred scsi drivers sloppy people dumb group group nice delete responce item prompted whit bought quantum home paid tons stuff deleted scsi question wild scsi thing great lots people increase data transfer rate hard drive drive seagate standard special cache controller card thinking adding range thinking hard hear gears grinding head buying scsi drive scsi future benefit transfer number compare bought state scsi card state scsi hard drive wailing system hope money factors choice system cost lines kind transfer rate line caching controller cost waste guess hook scsi scsi port yields optimum borrowed fujitsu hooked trantor drivers scsi port scsi port scsi port fujitsu scsi scsi scsi comments rephrased questions randy 
scsi reply randy cornell organization cornell university lines wild scsi thing great people benefit answers simple question choose lots people increase data transfer rate hard drive drive seagate standard special cache controller card thinking adding range thinking hard hear gears grinding head buying scsi drive scsi future benefit transfer number compare bought state scsi card state scsi hard drive wailing system hope money factors choice system cost lines kind transfer rate line caching controller cost waste guess hook scsi scsi port yields optimum borrowed fujitsu hooked trantor drivers scsi port scsi port scsi port fujitsu scsi scsi scsi comments randy 
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multisession nntp posting host emerald organization philips interactive media america lines article gary writes multisession photos writable drive session write time multi session capability read session photos data simplified session directory structure burned tracks session newer directory structure directory exists change normal drive directory found data multisession kindof means drive directory written disc older systems directory taking multiple directories account sonderen philips interactive media 
disappointed organization univ miami lines approximately months purchased quantum months drive started problems intermittent freezes corrupted files resources silverlining recognize drive exchanged drive reconditioned month passed drive problems boot iisi flashing question mark insert silverlining program recognize drive making scan drives point restart iisi boot called tech support people silverlining drive definite hardware problem drive months asked send weeks purchased original drive dropped price accept drive hardware vendors make practice sending reconditioned replacements repairs understand nature computer industry lends sudden price fluctuations convergence facts events left taste mouth added asked transfer contents current drive send data good shape reinstall floppies cost data recovery reconditioned hardware sold reconditioned discounted price replacements hardware covered warranty feel helpless necessarily flame support staff friendly helpful extra customer service long letter customer service drive returned asked credit price difference purchased drive weeks slashed price told apply credit purchase product courtesy reply moral story products future bill krauthammer miami email post good product service suggesting good company disappointing experience taking business future 
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lcii centris organization people pnet nctams eastpac lines title interested performance difference faster centris lcii uucp humu nctams pnet tomj arpa humu nctams pnet tomj inet tomj 
results mathematica speed tests organization iowa state university ames lines results mathematica test posted newsgroup test command plot plotpoints curious fast plot command executed macintosh machines personal computers workstations results posted machine system math vers trials time tuneup mathematica ultrix risc iisi cache math cache math sparc sunos station iris risc processor version sparc sunos station iisi nextstep cube based coprocessor nextstep cube iisi enha math workspace manager funny iisi running slower equivalent machines lots slower fact version mathematica makes difference fact allocated interesting thing fast basically draw conclusions data mathematica speed dependant variables curious machines measure questions forgot drop line cmmiller chad spacing table machine mail copy binhexed word document 
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install centris organization apple computer lines article clas virginia jason harvey titus writes asked problems installing simm simm centris folks local apple store called folks cupertino found simms speeds machine fast simms incompatibable thought people absolutely reason differences dram access time incompatibility difference simms problem memory speeds problems whatsoever long fast faster minimum requirement fine curiosity problem told work curiosity cupertino dealer talked find basing recommendation dale adams apple computer 
laser writer iintx upgrade organization royal melbourne institute technology lines nntp posting host minyos rmit laserwriter iintx upgrade small seemingly chips roms iintx manual installation instructions informative full product installed apple thought upgrade thought required board info appreciated doug 
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serial port speed organization sophomore mechanical engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply excerpts comp serial port speed samuel john kass technical answer question problem whatsoever communicating modem modems fast exist standardized form worry kbps modem standard compression reach server modems hardware compression told annex modems break faster kbps 
cheap video card nntp posting host dialup slip organization university minnesota lines wondering info experience video thinking adding monitor grayscale bret oeltjen university minnesota electrical engineering 
lcii centris article news organization iowa state university ames lines article tomj jenkins writes title interested performance difference faster centris lcii uucp humu nctams pnet tomj arpa humu nctams pnet tomj inet tomj apple demos iowa state chance speedometer macs machines running system caches machine appears centris faster centris lcii graf disk math rating comparison noticable speed difference machines speedometer chad 
iintx upgrade organization stanford university lines nntp posting host morrow stanford article rmit douglas barry mcpherson writes laserwriter iintx upgrade small seemingly chips roms iintx manual installation instructions informative full product installed apple thought upgrade thought required board info appreciated doug existing laserwriter iintx upgrade replaces font rasterizer code efficient speedier code adobe type manager software original ntxes called rasterizer standard postscript printers mark 
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comparative scsi performance article news organization harvey mudd college claremont lines direct information scsi performance throughput kurt tiedtke ktiedtke claremont email 
opinion laserwriter select article usenet reply freenet chun hung organization case western reserve university cleveland lines nntp posting host hela cwru previous article jcav uchicago johnc model cost laser printers apple introduced thinking home experience printer level postscript bought happy john cavallino email jcav uchicago university chicago hospitals john cavallino uchicago office facilities management usmail maryland chicago frankly model screwup postscriptlevel fonts fine print photograde grayshare model shocked kind features printer hoping decent printer replace personal laser writers motion picture major brooks institute photography santa barbara foreign student kuala lumpur malaysia mind forerunner states 
info apple requested organization comedy company lines article norbert mueller writes newsgroups comp hardware article serge prud homme prudhom umontreal writes info video processor program chip companie makes chip apple able provide docs tools program chip piece computer hardware bought complete lack support tools refund buyers card europeans left rain agree completely refund people bought quadra alpha version extension apple called quicktime video offloads quicktime compression decompression card developer article states programmed asked suggestions steve margelis melbourne university 
keith whitehead mailer rnmac buggy beta test version lines article write hillman hillman wrote deathbird donpaul stephens kind slated throw side point considdered fact apple release system current time release shortly apple longer producing hardware nextstep apples prices thing cheaper heck workstation cheaper quadra infact number times apple released windows released missed boat apple continued development support fullest capabilities faster windows significantly windows warrent released continued develeopment becomming profit hardware step intended sort make money software microsoft happen sell multiple pieces software hardware platform windows nightmare programmers temptation sell system couple million users apple million copies money acme thankfull dont government 
macplus freezes hour fails boot nntp posting host christian informatik organization university lines article mclean tamu robert mclean wrote macplus problems temperature related freezes turn screen show disk icon dark consulted larry pina book find symptoms symptoms suggestions shure temperature dependent clean problems based connections power supply monitor main board usable failure simms badly connected corrosion powersupply phase lower voltage technical terms clean mentioned contacts contact spray readjust volt level powersupply calm preventing dust blowin floppy fixed piece paper prevent friendly technician christian bauer bauer 
nntp posting host christian informatik organization university lines article donpaul stephens wrote difference double spin drive apple doublespins toshiba sony apple deliver speed apples prices compared simms inexpencive driver revisions easier driver kits apple manufacturer christian bauer bauer 
iivx organization university california santa cruz lines nntp posting host ucsc article bell peter peter bell writes advisor decided funded consensus needed lcii decided wanted centris lack machine price struck making worth lcii suggested iivx heavily expandable people iivx good machines nubus slots case ultimately decide work video iivx lcii performance centris price reason iivx full size nubus slots mind supports apple monitors optional ethernet lessens eliminate nubus cards running intensive software blow doors lcii iivx lcii hand sufficient people great price guessed find halving clock iivx throughly thing hope apple finete jfinete ucsc 
dapter cable monitors lines makes cable adapter wired apple specs forces external output powerbook true style output signal adapter monitors multisync route signal correct pinout switch macs output mode make made apple spec cable adapter assuming powerbooks duos work adapter macintosh macintosh supply timed signal monitors adapter cable standard macintosh supports colors optional vram simm monitor supported colors note macintosh supplies signals capable driving level inputs impedance input monitors work macintosh connect macintosh monitor make adapter cable macintosh video connector monitor pinout description adapter cable macintosh video connector signal ground video signal green video signal green ground blue video signal blue ground hsync vsync hsync ground sense sense tied monitors identified shorting macintosh video connector macintosh grounds video connector results pulling correct monitor monitor message created jointly supported orleans user group national home school user group user uucp views expressed posting individual author 
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iivx organization universite montreal lines jfinete ucsc joseph manuel finete writes iivx lcii performance centris price running intensive software blow doors lcii iivx benchmarks macuser macweek centris faster floating point operations kind calculations routed iifx iifx fastest based note benchmarks story favorite program machines store plunk hefty amount virtually philippe philippe casgrain etudiant chercheur casgrain umontreal departement sciences biologiques universite montreal define disclaimer caught caught 
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minidisc story organization xenix support ficc lines article olav berntzen olav berntzen writes thing scsi interface scsi works removable media works large capacity devices floppy interface suggest handles hooks dealing kludge extremely performance scsi gobs room expansion compared floppy stick tape drive drive floppy interface possibilities unexpected collisions enormous peter silva network management technologies incorporated west airport blvd sugar land zure otsoa besarkatu duzu gaur 
apple free ethernet article pion organization rutgers univ brunswick lines centris yesterday weeks placing order dealer rutgers computer store appologized apple made substitution order ordered ethernet substituted ethernet wanted alright backlogged centri ethernet shipping happy exceptions nosy decided open powering time scsi cable hard drive partially connected loose shipping deal pissed boot hard drive annoying high pitched whine heard apple exchange complain swapped dissappionted lack soft power mentioned literature location reset interupt buttons awful keyboard control functions convenient screen tojump wierd power mentioned feature fast great machine great price gnelson rutgers 
apple ergo mouse reply hades organization dartmouth college hanover disclaimer personally care speak moderator arts comics info lines nwcs schizophrenia means writes open apple ergo mouse mouse mine lives true picks apple welded shut hard opend mine seconds bottom dial turns open older mouses harder turn simple open installing fpus heard people fried motherboard match pins correctly problems close socket give idea proper orientation chip hades 
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sigma designs double article usenet psdv reply cwru organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host thor cwru information sigma designs double board figure hardware compression board works autodoubler cost cwru 
dock info summary products nntp posting host silver indiana organization indiana university lines alain waha writes nazario yale edgardo nazario writes info give rumour truth macintosh coming quarter excuse macs alain alain facts straight post dock docking station ports connecting components including portable powerbook guess rumored docks built perform functions interesting compatible current models hearing screwed apple complaints imagine company obsoleting verb virtually brand computer sheesh kenneth simon dept sociology indiana university internet kssimon bitnet kssimon 
position keyboard organization virginia tech computer science dept blacksburg lines nntp posting host csugrad viralbus thomas martin widmann writes pictures ergonomic keyboard left part split learned typing school years taught write hand difference danish american typing type left hand personally real problem keyboard opened tend share keys hands hand cursor keys mouse glass jolt deej jacob rose amazing true sand northern jaker africa spread cover sahara 
organization university michigan engineering arbor lines distribution world nntp posting host leghorn engin umich originator chyang engin umich article bauer christian bauer writes article donpaul stephens wrote difference double spin drive apple doublespins toshiba sony apple deliver speed apples prices compared simms inexpencive driver revisions easier driver kits apple manufacturer christian bauer bauer thought toshiba mechanism average access time sony apple drive access time doublespin models chung yang 
disks article gandalf organization rutgers univ brunswick lines upgrade floppy drive party drives work roms ralph ralph gonzalez computer science rutgers univ camden phone internet rgonzal rutgers 
whats thermal recalibration quantum drives summary thermal recalibration hard drives article distribution organization university calgary alberta lines nntp posting host ucalgary article gary uchicago writes drive hooked computer makes disk seek noise seconds consistent continue lomg drive powered disconnect drive computer drive activity continues intervals drive thermal recalibration knowing beans internal physical workings lastest disk drive technology guess whats scoop standalone drive activity comment thermal recalibration general drives perform order increase integrity data writes basically firmware instructs actuator perform test data tracks physical tolerance media heats cools track drift inevitable drive monitor critical high recording densities primarily large capacity mechanisms finding smaller drives boosting drive long term reliability mtbf ratings aware thermal recalibration pointed technique conflicts prolonged write times digitizing audio video hard disk manufacturers explicitly state drives thermal recalibration applications prolonged disk writes hope helps victor 
hard drives organization space telescope science institute lines interested external hard drive internal pretty full compression alot people talk good ratio thinking adding brands people suggest finally places popular mail order places order places sell hard drives advertise back macworld macuser advance mail replies compile post drew drew asson space telescope science institute senior software engineer martin drive advance planning systems branch baltimore internet asson 
price drop months article yuma organization colorado state engineering college lines nntp posting host casco lance colostate apple cyclones tempest month price drop system negotiated good deal supplier jump price drop smuther deal mouse deal nate lance colostate 
apple free ethernet organization case school engineering lines distribution world nntp posting host student cwru useragent nuntius xxmessage xxdate article gregory nelson gnelson rutgers writes screen tojump wierd power mentioned feature fast great machine great price posts asumed talking display mine kinda degauss lacks button assume info worry 
techworks organization university north carolina chapel hill lines distribution world nntp posting host sirius uncommon occurrence experience techworks past summer upgraded increased memory powerbook called place order told sales person give rebate return original techworks instructions returning expecting credit visa weeks months credit calls returned arghh finally found told received chips explained procedure return person replied mail original sales person instructions told loss mail shipments uncommon stuff fedex reasoned told budge people spoke absolutely letters copies original receipts attempted trace package mail made phone calls techworks avail give disgusted sales support people supervisors pursuade make finally total disgust wrote letter credit card company investigate problem weeks credit miraculously appeared statement recent memory disgusted service received company fairness knowing great lengths prove happened product chest 
cyclone tempest article usenet pskav reply cwru robert novitskey organization case western reserve university cleveland lines nntp posting host thor cwru post info systems robert novitskey pursuing women similar banging head cwru wall opportunity reward 
lcii midi article uicvm organization university illinois chicago academic computer center lines experience lcii midi heard iivx suitable midi heard anyon definitive lcii midi experience midi interface finale software setting mail summarize jerry bartlett peoria illinios 
sigma designs double article organization university illinois urbana lines cwru joseph pellettiere writes information sigma designs double board figure hardware compression board works autodoubler cost board year work diskdoubler autodoubler licensing problem stac technologies owners board compression technology writing memory lost reference correct wrong board problems file icons lost hard board fault decompress troubled file recompress board icon reappears mentioned licensing problem freeware expansion utility expand decompress board compressed file board installed stac product holes autodoubler diskdoubler related board fixed makes reluctant stac product stinky competition stan kerr computing communications services office illinois urbana phone email stankerr 
price drop months article menudo reply ucsd organization university houston lines nntp posting host protein bchs article colostate nathaniel sammons writes apple cyclones tempest month price drop system negotiated good deal supplier jump price drop smuther deal mouse deal configuration opposed configurations intend upgrade sunny 
lcii monitor adapters article ironman qman organization northwestern university lines nntp posting host ironman real tough time finding proper adapters monitor sold exact vendors called internal video work true monitor work compatible multisync sony monitors thought capability lcii attractive allowed inexpensive monitors confused vendors speed lcii multisync monitor adapter specific vendor prefer apple monitor lcii unseemly finder inside bezel money save monitors lcii afford charles kuehmann northwestern university steel research group qman acns 
warning break powerbook screen article clark organization clark college vancouver lines article peirce michael peirce writes surprised protective tarriffs hurting long subsidies build strong economy wall tough world compete global market place crying world play house rules japanese local market neatly protected japanese government tough crack fact current break japanese company partner venture gary gary snow uunet clark gsnow gsnow 
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dock problems organization computer science liverpool university lines nntp posting host problems dock ejecting properly dock couple inches ejected pull rest nowadays system months fact mechanism makes noises grab hold pull simple return apple dealer languish weeks make colour display vram floppy scsi locked dock slide phil jimmieson computer science dept janet phil liverpool university internet phil liverpool head heels love cramp 
internal xxdate nntp posting host bcarm organization useragent nuntius lines article kurt netzer kurt writes install qunatum cable connectors internal motherboard scsi connector scsi connectors terminated whats power supply connect connector supply connect internal hard disk macintosh find space iisi quantum drive space problems slapped quantum sitting shelf concerned space drives quantum quarter height drives finally decided logical place stacked fine snugly problem heat drives running months problem connecting drive spare internal hard disk power cable half troubles splice extra cable square motherboard connector hard disk power connectors spare cable wires connectors found good electronics store suggest properly soldering heatshrinking connections reduce possibility shorts connections ribbon cable connection spare hard disk ribbon cable wanted careful case word purchase crimp cable connector gave male connector middle spare cable part cost easily attached good wood vice theory crimp connector work original cable damaged back original setup bothered check notes power consumption plugged works charm work careful drive ensure terminating resistors drives intact terminating resistors logical splitting scsi chain signal terminated ends questions peter hansen bell northern research pgmoffc 
internal xxdate nntp posting host bcarm organization useragent nuntius lines article kurt netzer kurt writes install qunatum cable connectors internal motherboard scsi connector scsi connectors terminated whats power supply connect connector supply connect internal hard disk macintosh find space iisi quantum drive space problems slapped quantum sitting shelf concerned space drives quantum quarter height drives finally decided logical place stacked fine snugly problem heat drives running months problem connecting drive spare internal hard disk power cable half troubles splice extra cable square motherboard connector hard disk power connectors spare cable wires connectors found good electronics store suggest properly soldering heatshrinking connections reduce possibility shorts connections ribbon cable connection spare hard disk ribbon cable wanted careful case word purchase crimp cable connector gave male connector middle spare cable part cost easily attached good wood vice theory crimp connector work original cable damaged back original setup bothered check notes power consumption plugged works charm work careful drive ensure terminating resistors drives intact terminating resistors logical splitting scsi chain signal terminated ends questions peter hansen bell northern research pgmoffc 
quantum hard disk organization university waterloo lines recently aquired quantum harddisk mechanism scsi questions problems extra connector socket back figure address jumpers bottom ideas nice hardware manual drive jumpers drive format things work fine formating initialy troublesome main problem reset macplus drive disappears shut back agian drive fine ideas reply email addresses richard crispin department psychology email rcrispin uwaterloo university waterloo psych uwaterloo waterloo ontario phone canada 
powerbook caere typist graphics hand scanner article castle organization edinburgh university lines nntp posting host utexas edited forwarded announce moderator respond originator email cable works phone number applelink address caere smile back caere typist graphics hand scanner read solve problem truely grateful rest life problem caere typist graphics hand scanner connect powerbook cable scanner scsi port powerbook cable assembled adapt original cable scsi port turned computer scsi mode treated hard disk asked engineer london assembled cable idiot sheer laziness weeks solve problem aware caere solution cable solve problem solution forever grateful mail address castle wrong side road syndrom thanking advance 
disappointed article news organization irvine lines nntp posting host dialin slip useragent nuntius xxmessage xxdate article miami writes reconditioned hardware sold reconditioned discounted price replacements hardware covered warranty sounds kind lemon hardware industry sound unfair paid price drive reconditioned 
noisy solutions article clark organization clark college vancouver lines article summeral colorado summerall thomas writes broken making grinding noises loud louder iici sold problem solution good replacement quieter moves easy insulate sound cooling hear working checked exhausting back fine gary gary snow uunet clark gsnow gsnow 
price drop months article leonardo organization mailenteringnews honeywell lines comp hardware posted date received date nathaniel sammons writes apple cyclones tempest month price drop system negotiated good deal supplier jump price drop smuther deal mouse deal gaurenteed price drop year week macweek reports apple planning drop august guess sooner apple decides change price structure release multimedia units summer price pretty good payed mine month waited machines sommer cyclone resale iici squat financing forced purchase happy machine feel betrayed apple cuts price week bottome line wait cylcones price break wait powerpcs price break units follow save money lost time computer face apple prices continuous state flux raising grin john komp honeywell 
comparative scsi performance originator peterco nntp posting host organization electronic frontier foundation newsreader version lines kurt tiedtke ktiedtke claremont wrote direct information scsi performance throughput thruput centris quadra thruput iici iifx equivalent thruput slower machines slower peter cohen reflect employer opinions peterco heck employer 
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xion serial port switcher good organization drexel university lines buying serial port switcher serial ports appletalk modem printer midi sound digitizer specifically axion electronic switcher fairly cheap maczone heard things serial ports time prevents physically swapping cables heard programs comm toolbox able serial ports true axion switchbox finally axion stinks good interested hearing products spend reply mail regular reader newsgroup interest post summary replies scott smith umsmith drexel 
pleeze organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply cwru robert novitskey nntp posting host thor cwru good price doesn found good deal centris send price mail order areound cleveland ohio wait power reply post mail cwru robert novitskey pursuing women similar banging head cwru wall opportunity reward 
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woes nntp posting host uglx uvic organization university victoria victoria canada lines article mlbelan ncsc mark belangee writes wise netters oops oracle basic question answer heck cable mine trackball shot able find replacement wrong mail order catalogs ideas places prices make mark mlbelan ncsc able pick cable computer wiring store give address alberta computer cable calgary victoria canada address calgary basically phoned charged approx custom made extension cable mouse hope helps dave maclachlan dmaclach uvic nightfall software 
organization homewood academic computing johns hopkins university baltimore lines distribution world nntp posting host jhunix article chyang engin umich chung hsiung yang writes article bauer christian bauer writes article donpaul stephens wrote difference double spin drive apple doublespins toshiba sony apple deliver speed apples prices compared simms inexpencive driver revisions easier driver kits apple manufacturer christian bauer bauer thought toshiba mechanism average access time sony apple drive access time doublespin models chung yang technology drive toshiba mechanism supposedly fast access data transfer rate multisession photo compatible educorp technology mail coupons free good drive month shipped home address california maryland technology drive separate power supply separated drive supposedly longer life cleaner attract dust toshiba brand drive technology mechanism slightly lower price free apple drive sony mechanism access time data transfer rate slowest mentioned widely apple catalog price multi session photo compatible external model free pretty good drive longest access time data transfer rate vendors dollars including educorp multi session photo compatible hear current version shipping owners older drives upgrade free bundle drives choices apple drive technology toshiba drive apple drive compatibility apple products technology toshiba speed performance models drives apple applecd applecd internal technology toshiba brand model happy drive compatibility problems whatsoever wrong correct pretty notice president technology southern california hometown relative common chinese southern california enormous chinese community doctors california steve patients steve school lives dorm show common steve steve drlovemd suggestions drlovemd 
apple tape backup system organization fermi national accelerator laboratory batavia lines distribution nntp posting host fnclub fnal keywords backup tape article generous nasa curtis generous writes apple tape backup unit working drivers software access device fidn tools access device info comments curtis curtis generous generous nasa nasa code washington retrospect dantz works nicely combination mail order vendors 
hand scanner problem organization edinburgh university lines caere typist graphics hand scanner read save life problem caere typist graphics hand scanner connect powerbook cable scanner scsi port computer managed gaet cabled assembled adapted cord computer computer scsi mode acted external hard disk switched computer asked engineer london assemble cable weeks find solution sheer laziness cable exists solve problem solution cable hold mail address castle truely grateful thanking advance 
move data fast summary disk buffer network card keywords nubus scsi disk throughput organization gokuraku videos lines achieve throughput rate megabytes large data transfers quadra nubus network card pump data memory block mode transfers high speed disk array asynchronous calls achieve transfers disk buffer network card transfer data disk buffer transfer data buffer card result slow scheme megabyte transfer step load disk buffer step asynch send card load disk buffer step asynch send card load disk buffer step asynch send card load disk buffer step send card code apparently execute card transfer asynchronously card buffer steps long transfers executed improvement rate dual port nubus card disk driver access data time problem devices card disk driver david david blume tired thinking things loral bukowski barfly 
dock processor organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet travis grundke nntp posting host thor cwru folks thought answer struck flat face apple release dock processor people hounded apple notebook processor apple deliver saps power radiates heat large notebook designing chipset existing powerbook technology advantage dock apple unique ability give users power semi portable fashion plunking dock quadra power desk road able handle solution answer situation able powerbook processor parallel dock processor hypothetical travis grundke macgames digest source information contributing editor news reviews gaming software gaming macgames digest industry macintosh community reply freenet information macgames digest 
powerbook questions article magnus organization ohio state university lines nntp posting host bottom magnus ohio state powerbook pixel display resolution assume doesn imply dimensions info price drops models coming 
question quadra article clark organization clark college vancouver lines article ennui neville died ennui writes information acheiving resolution interanl video suspect centris correctly wired video cable gary gary snow uunet clark gsnow gsnow 
apple ergo mouse reply geoffb organization amos tuck school lines disclaimer represent dartmouth dartmouth represent nwcs schizophrenia means writes open apple ergo mouse mouse mine lives true picks apple welded shut rotating plate mouse ball counter clockwise open mouse clean obvious desktop mouse opens easily geoff geoffb computing support consultant tuck school business vote count 
cheapest mike centris article clark organization clark college vancouver lines article summeral colorado summerall thomas writes bought centris discovered dispointment apple cheap include mike anymore internal external internal drive gary gary snow uunet clark gsnow gsnow 
dock processor article netcom mspacec organization netcom line communication services guest lines freenet travis grundke writes apple release dock processor people hounded apple notebook processor apple deliver saps power radiates heat large notebook designing chipset existing powerbook technology advantage dock apple unique ability give users power semi portable fashion plunking dock quadra power desk road able handle solution answer situation able powerbook processor parallel dock processor hypothetical great reason docked serve server large internal corporate email pinch machines couple thought rocketshare dock mighty powerful dock brian hall mspace mark space softworks applelink markspace america online markspace disturb mission egghead 
apple tape backup system keywords backup tape nntp posting host udel organization university delaware lines article fnal david sachs writes article generous nasa curtis generous writes apple tape backup unit working drivers software access device retrospect dantz works nicely combination retrospect noticed central point software mactools backup supports apple tape drive apple tape drive slow advantages retrospect relative simpler mactools backup significant case backing large server drive apple tape drives make economic sense extra retrospect mactools cheaper includes worthwhile utilities retrospect nice upgrade bill johnston johnston udel chambers street newark 
dock problems organization andersen consulting cstar lines distribution nntp posting host grant cstar andersen phil phil jimmieson writes problems dock ejecting properly dock couple inches ejected pull rest nowadays system months fact mechanism makes noises grab hold pull simple return apple dealer languish weeks make colour display vram floppy scsi locked dock slide phil jimmieson computer science dept janet phil liverpool university internet phil liverpool head heels love cramp heard rumors docks designed batch love installing cards dock lord south wacker room network manager chicago cstar group andersen consulting lord 
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organization stanford university lines distribution nntp posting host morrow stanford article chyang engin umich chung hsiung yang writes article bauer christian bauer writes article donpaul stephens wrote difference double spin drive apple doublespins toshiba sony apple deliver speed apples prices compared simms inexpencive driver revisions easier driver kits apple manufacturer christian bauer bauer thought toshiba mechanism average access time sony apple drive access time doublespin models chung yang toshiba access time access time sony apple access time important vital case data transfer rate drives double speed drives maximum data transfer rates good choice apple cheap included macs agree christian comment drivers apple bootable centris quadra nice feature install system software toshiba bootable machines mark 
apple ergo mouse organization stanford university lines distribution nntp posting host morrow stanford article geoffb dartmouth thumper writes nwcs schizophrenia means writes open apple ergo mouse mouse mine lives true picks apple welded shut rotating plate mouse ball counter clockwise open mouse clean obvious desktop mouse opens easily geoff geoffb computing support consultant tuck school business vote count original poster meant opening mouse releasing ball rollers found original mouse unscrewing halves allowed easier cleaning original poster answer open ergonomic mouse open split halves guts obvious based minute spent office yesterday visible screw heads mark 
disappointed nntp posting host dialin slip useragent nuntius organization irvine lines xxmessage xxdate article wayne chen eapu writes industry sound unfair oops meant fair unfair 
quadra problem question lines quadra noticed change desktop color beautiful gray thought reinstall install macintosh centris quadra diskette system file diskette recent hard disk easy install selects macintosh cnetris system software customize system software macintosh matter advance suggestions alexander dominion university bitnet internet 
sales powerbook slowing reply peirce michael peirce organization peirce software lines mailer uaccess macintosh release article comp hardware martin jean francois martin writes april joke dealer town told powerbook sell sell told apple problem desktop expensive powerbook expensive comparison side feel thing curious sounds high demand product incentive aggresively prices demand fall time start aggressive pricing waiting long hurt business powerbooks sold slowing apple lower priced versions reason powerbook spring rest lineup pricey coming power versions michael peirce peirce peirce software suite hibiscus place jose california makers voice smoothie applelink peirce america online peirce 
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monitors video cards lines nntp posting host hengill thinking buying external monitor wondering netland advice thinking color monitor card switch higher read report card lapis external monitor main screen menubar major draw back fixed cards micron xceed monitor moment leaning sony difference good cheap monitors monitor multisync support cards switch resolutions send mail summarize greatly mail addresses mail order companys sell monitors cards advance eggert thorlacius university iceland 
apple ergo mouse article usenet organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host thor cwru order innards mouse remove label bottom apple desktop mouse find screws side fingernail accross label divots appeared assume elusive screws question cheers john john graham cleveland institute music cwru brought letters number 
monitors article usenet distribution world organization case school engineering lines nntp posting host student cwru useragent nuntius xxmessage xxdate article daniel chen dschen writes interested color monitor lcii confused sony monitors compare sony apple thought mention sony longer manufactures manufacturing flaws model apple sony trinitrom claims inches details defects work schools bookstore half returned kind defect cents worth 
monitors article usenet organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host thor cwru joseph kasanic writes thought mention sony longer manufactures manufacturing flaws model apple sony trinitrom claims inches details defects work schools bookstore half returned kind defect assuming referring correct kind flaws reported mine months noticed problems develop lucky snag good monitor curious john john graham cleveland institute music cwru brought letters number 
apple color onescanner article usenet distribution world organization case school engineering lines nntp posting host student cwru useragent nuntius xxmessage xxdate article johnc jcav uchicago writes office scanning color photographs optical character recognition played original grayscale onescanner pleased color model comparable quality brand software recommend leaning caere omnipage ideas work campus bookstore opportunity demo color scanner found impressive affordable educational discount note ofoto software sufficient 
advice tech works article oracle organization oracle corp lines nntp posting host hqsun oracle disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle gregory welch writes instructions returning expecting credit visa weeks months credit calls returned arghh finally found told received chips explained procedure return person replied mail original sales person instructions told loss mail shipments uncommon stuff fedex returned memory summer credit sales person warned mail insure shipment apparently techworks minor grip techworks price lists people ordered memory thinking price employeer subsequently found apple offering developers memory techworks charged called complain told apple developer credited card purchase price techworks quality installation instructions include powerbook tools purchases sales chip merchant forrest howard oracle corporation oracle parkway redwood shores 
centris nntp posting host casco lance colostate organization colorado state engineering college lines people opinions real world differences coprocessor mathamatica maple spreadsheets sheets complicated apps renderers extensive communications write software write papers kicks told local apple upgrading apple built extra socket coprocessor chip plug coprocessor works heartily laughed hung phone nate hate quotations message brought nate sammons number ralph waldo emerson lance colostate 
centris nntp posting host casco lance colostate organization colorado state engineering college lines photoshop edit photos work nate 
apple ergo mouse organization computer science department stanford university lines article hades writes nwcs schizophrenia means writes open apple ergo mouse mouse mine lives true picks apple welded shut hard opend mine seconds bottom dial turns open older mouses harder turn simple open nope pretty person ball mouse mouse screws bottom unscrew obvious tony quan stanford 
iisi clock upgrade organization idaho state university pocatello lines requests information thought post interested parties length increase maciisi speed clock changed static free work station putting aluminum foil work open lifting tabs back case remove hard disk disconnecting power scsi cables spreading tabs lifting drive remove flopy drive remove power supply spreading front lifting supply straight remove pressing ears back bottom side lifting straight remove mother board spreading tabs left side board sliding board forward lifting board connectors back board removed desolder clock closest memory modules easy skilled solderer socket round pins remove pins pushing bottom long nose pliers pins holes vacated clock solder insert clock large power transistor heat sink processor chip large chip processor figure hold heat sync place made simple clamp putting inch screw hole board chips mount screw insulated washers screw cross member heat sync hold place pressure back disclaimer procedure authorized procedure void warentee ralph durtschi idaho state university email durtralp 
racet optical organization computer science department boston university boston lines originator joshc racet drive ricoh mechanism roms thing tosoh optical disk bytes sector cart thing refuses mount formatted carts drive work racet certified media sector carts tosoh cart kind incompatible level format software formatted drive setting mechanism combination drivers custom formatting programs find luck ideas joshc good idea mail address check newsgroup constantly 
powerbook expires reply monty solomon organization proponent lines powerbook data modem citibank citidollars catalog citidollars modem data send monty solomon framingham monty roscom 
problems rose organization department dortmund university germany lines distribution world reply maennig informatik dortmund nntp posting host veronica informatik dortmund work rose card problem crashes card disappears system lets crash card simulate errors instruction registers masked simulate stuck error bits crash instance rose notices crash sets flag stops working reading mentioned flag notice card crash works fine crashes card flag disappears system documentation rose behavior crashing moment understand analyzing assembler code frustrating lengthy reply email read group department computer science university dortmund germany aennig mail maennig informatik dortmund beginning created adam ahem atoms atoms hydrogen 
floptical question organization university mexico albuquerque lines nntp posting host triton article bmyers utexas billy myers writes time looked floptical disk weren cheap floptical disk megabyte sysquest megabyte flopticals beginning year floptical megabyte advertised macweek megabyte tight budget fact minimal dollar increment storage versus matters 
centris video problem organization memorial sloan kettering cancer center lines distribution world nntp posting host zelenetz mskcc useragent nuntius xxmessage xxdate recently obtained centris developed unusual video problem model vram cards monitor apple computer colors operations vertical scrolling window horizontal white lines monitor generally spare open windows lines accummulate operation continued window moved involved area screen moved line disappear area screen problem observed monitor configured colors inch apple monitor colors suspect video chip problem apparent worse wondering respond azelenet mskcc andrew zelenetz molecular biology program memorial sloan kettering cancer center 
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tempest cyclone info needed organization western kentucky university bowling green lines information upcoming computers cyclone tempest info greatly appreciated shawn breedsa bitnet 
rumours duos article manta kitchel distribution comp hardware comp comm organization data parallel systems lines nntp posting host manta dpsi king writes subject chip power consumption heard reliable source alpha chip power intel pentium chip whips pentium butt makes intel made chip begin wouldn powerbook alpha running mips cool idea bzzt wrong extremely idea current alphas alphas produce heat fact special mounting extra large heat sinks apple pretty commited powerpc route deal sidney kitchel kitchel indiana kitchel data parallel systems dpsi morningside drive bloomington indiana 
appletalk card question nntp posting host lambada organization university north carolina extended bulletin board service lines chance appletalk card create network home machines card tells remember back card mini expect sounds thicknet ethernet card transciever quadras reasonable price expect cards keeping mind micro channel architecture means guess double email replies appreciated richr opinions expressed necessarily university north carolina chapel hill campus office information technology experimental bulletin board service internet launchpad 
removable storage organization department computer science distribution comp lines quadra sound sampling auditory research type removable media storing audio clips lazy takes time life good walsh pritchett internet pritchet scarolina fidonet pritchett 
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quadra acceleration article moscow distribution organization microelectronics research center lines nntp posting host groucho uidaho quadra clock acceleration heard quadra reply mail news mark beale mbeale wallaby uidaho 
constantly rebooting article pith organization university oregon network services lines nntp posting host ludwig uoregon article russ russ hodes writes shin tshin harvard wrote basically pluses constantly rebooting reboot button pushed able fully boot display desktop matter time reboots times frequency high times minute reset interupt switches installed plastic devices push switches inside mabey switches replacing problem power supply adjustment supply voltage unstable culprit rectifier jeff hite computing center oregon jeffh uoregon 
stylewriter question nntp posting host miniac ulaval organization universite laval lines read article swii thing puzzles article swii serial device unplug modem time print 
quadra organization department computer science distribution comp lines problems hooking toshiba external drive jack ripper hook power lines love jethro tull pritchett internet pritchet scarolina fidonet pritchett 
interesting behaviour nntp posting host yalevm yale organization yale university lines article lawrence oliveiro waikato university writes noticed interesting phenomenon centris unplug keyboard mouse plug turning power mouse suddenly switches half normal movement speed check mouse control panel change setting full speed restarting machine restores normal mouse speed newer style mouse centris older style mouse iifx work resolution setting mouse quirk interface hardware software centris noticed exact phenomenon occurs lcii quirk machines 
iisi clock upgrades organization cumc lines reports iisi clock upgrade failures iisi owner slow itchcy soldering iron 
accelerated video article reed organization reed college portland lines macuser article centris quadra machines mentioned accelerated video make difference benchmark test recall dale adams post erik speckman dale posts video memory archived 
quadra organization world public access unix brookline lines hades dartmouth brian hughes writes jbailey bailey writes clark brian clark writes quarda popular misspelling quadra processor local buses motherboard faster video monitor color vram upgrade vram able color monitor part board video video monitors vram hades upgrade vram color care point video capability size monitors support monitors 
quadra differences organization world public access unix brookline lines gsfc nasa jagielski writes jbailey bailey writes wustl robert david klapper writes fixed screwed floating point calculations robert klapper washington university louis wustl lubarsky cybernetic entomology definite information heard fixed hardware upgrade make sense differences basically runs upgraded graphics controller results requiring vram fixes rounding errors floating point calculations digit patch roms latest version problem ethernet problems buffers doubt person refering screwing jagielski stiff gsfc nasa lama nasa gsfc code effort greenbelt 
centris internal organization world public access unix brookline lines hades dartmouth brian hughes writes washington smith writes jbailey bailey writes internal mixing analog audio outputs generated audio motherboard sample audio sound control panel clicking options button microphone icon click options button undimmed latest word disconnect microphone cable motherboard button supposed hades assumed machines internal worked quadra inputs changing radio button sound quadra microphone external leave microphone plugged 
iici upgrade nntp posting host daeron mcrcim mcgill organization mcgill research centre intelligent machines lines article login writes posted note specs quadra opinions upgrade iici accelerator card responsed noticed upgrade paths cost efficiency pros cons complete obtained dealer recent copy macworld macuser foggy memory suggests relevant comparison factors iici data path recall slower style machines ethertalk card board audio motherboard simm slots nubus slots flexible build video vram comparison iici accelerator give audio ethernet video options accelerator performance comparable ends costing greg dudek 
sampling audio centris organization world public access unix brookline lines lawrence oliveiro waikato university writes article bskendig brian kendig writes jbailey bailey writes internal mixing analog audio outputs generated audio motherboard sample audio sound control panel clicking options button microphone icon iivx internal audio icon find option centris hand recording sound built microphone audio playing drive audio mixed microphone sound guess unplug microphone uncontaminated audio admittedly sampled bits conversion misinformation made assumption machines behaving quadra previous post sampling audio found aliasing needed filter worse expected installed quadra missed works great 
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overhead projectors mdcbbs vandenbrande distribution organization division cypress nntp posting host lines color screens place overhead projector control presentation recommend brand price talking vandenbrande address school address forwards uucp uunet uupsi 
conversion organization city college york science computing facility lines working data acquisition analysis program collect data insect sensory organs alternative sound input port make existent dynamic range converter dubious linearity monotonicity coupled depend requirements poster data purposes resolution calibration curve possibilities digital voltameter serial output connect serial port collect data communications program chip analog devices burr brown connect parallel serial converter serial port acquisition soldering trouble shooting board national instruments data translation omega etal finest solution possibly costly original poster signal large voltage divider resistors cost cheap george sukenick ccny cuny 
powerbook batteries organization dalhousie university halifax nova scotia canada lines quick query powerbook gurus spearman post alternative powerbook battery options mentioned exist versions powerbook batteries hour hour hour determine battery looked battery obvious exterior indication contacted spearman gleaned information macuser answer christopher majka nextug reply email grateful read newsgroup post summary answers 
completely flatten battery nntp posting host math mathematik bielefeld organization universitaet bielefeld rechenzentrum lines article swiers aqeng aaron swiers writes schuyler gabriel schuyler writes stanger nigel stanger writes running powerbook battery completely flat detrimental side effects things nicad batteries completely discharged month leadacid batteries completely discharged common conception dealing batteries good idea completely discharge cell periodically good idea completely discharge battery difference cell cell nicad puts volts rechargeable battery defined cell volt nicad equivalent differences individual cells battery complete discharge harm nicad battery overcome memory effect common problem time individual cell develop internal shorts weaken cells connected reducing lifespan battery pack naive question discharge cell discharging entire battery 
memory upgrades organization space sciences lines distribution world nntp posting host plasma berkeley excuse frequent question checked faqs find iisi standard memory additional memory budget performance wise economical told simms amount memory wanted rest manual helpful respond mail worth bandwidth common human laws interests call emotions validity happy dogma makes signifigance vast feel cosmos large laid lovecraft carter jacob berkeley 
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centris drive article world organization world public access unix brookline lines recently purchased centris difficulty computer recognize hard disk drive external disk uitily diskwriter jasmine software show drive drive device connected scuzzi port find manual remember terminated recognize external disk drive advance information eugene rosen genie erosen riverside road compuserve sandy hook gene rosen 
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educational pricing article jaguar organization washington state university lines article hayes kevin hayes writes find retail price keyboard educational prices wary retail outlets selling cheap educational prices retailer mail order computers price thant campus computer store found repair apple registered repair center resale serial number removed replaced standard number computers apple repair warrenty repairs ended warrenty apple month warrenty moral story caveat emptor reliable trustworthy mail order firm exist enlighten experiences price local educational outlet simply mail order state require sales longer remains addition sales purchase wipe educational discount caveat emptor mail order companies include sales purchases state check richard richard appleyard washington state university voice human screw things takes computer 
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trackball lines trackbal longer moves horizontal direction called nearest authorized apple service person told needed replacing cost ouch recommend expensive problem strange symptom problem ball socket shine light hole make cursor move horizontally moving wheel finger works fine work turn light suggestions comments poor college student internet 
monitor turning organization fsuacns lines article gcohen acns gregory cohen wrote article staudt willi staudt linder writes staudt willi staudt linder subject monitor turning date kayc stanford writes strange problem apple monitor shed light computer minutes screen blank switch monitor screen able turn monitor turn power back monitor night turns doesnt stay long dooes similar experience problem fuse monitor prevents turning turn monitor monitor turn prevented mechamism apple monitors problem high voltage capasitor apple problem replacing cost falls batch supplier local repair shop repair extension 
laserjet printing appletalk lines organization tufts university medford print appletalk printer laserwriter stuff serial driverand nothig vetried saving postscriptfile sending sendps topen laserwriter driver appletalk messagethatprinter imagewritwrite cable null modem adapter lowell lowell reiter vacation tufts university internet account lreiter tufts 
dead mouse organization university southern california angeles lines distribution nntp posting host morue macclassic mouse died dissected determined microswitch senses click stuck depressed mode tragedy prompts questions easy find microswitch solder place switch mice adapter 
general questions software hardware distribution organization milwaukee school engineering milwaukee lines introduced macintosh systems questions mail prefered system hard details dingy commercials magazines microsoft office suggestions descriptions microsoft actual word excel power point mail major differences wordperfect word 
performa internal modem lines distribution world nntp posting host quince hear performa lcii internal modem modem part obtained installed lcii nice powerbook internal modem hope 
interesting behaviour organization university waikato hamilton zealand lines article plugging unplugging devices power supported problems multiple devices clashing addresses couple mail responses people sort thing unsupported downright dangerous heard warnings apple asked couple technicians servicing macs years danger damaging logic boards plugging unplugging devices power scsi lawrence oliveiro fone computer services dept university waikato electric mail hamilton zealand 
quadra scsi problems keywords quadra scsi lines reply gsfc nasa jagielski organization nasa goddard space flight center gsfc nasa jagielski writes heck true info formatter apollyonics transoft meant jagielski stiff gsfc nasa lama nasa gsfc code effort greenbelt 
nubus capable organization msen arbor account info lines nntp posting host garnet msen newsreader version forgive asked friend recently purchased demon called nubus adapter slot compusa computercity supercenter carry incapable carrying nubus board obiliged marvin mmiller msen deal hearing editor chief publisher people understand deaf michigander terrorism year marvin monthly newspaper mail complimentary quote apply copy today hearing people 
asante adaptor work originator peterco nntp posting host organization electronic frontier foundation newsreader version lines bill kurland bill wrote guess opinion thought warn prospective customers fwiw work focus enhancements people sell etherlan scsi ethernet interface disgruntled users successful comparable product dayna focus nubus slot sigh news focus etherlan incompatible duos change future apple register compatible cards compatible duodocks send questions focus apple peter cohen telecommuting 
interesting behaviour organization case school engineering lines distribution world nntp posting host student cwru useragent nuntius xxmessage xxdate article daniel cohen djcohen yale writes noticed interesting phenomenon centris unplug keyboard mouse plug turning power mouse suddenly switches half normal movement speed check mouse control panel change setting full speed restarting machine restores normal mouse speed newer style mouse centris older style mouse iifx work resolution setting mouse quirk interface hardware software centris noticed exact phenomenon occurs lcii quirk machines mine works fine cents worth 
frontplate syquest iivi iivx nntp posting host reply jartsu organization helsinki university technology finland lines make find frontplate iivi iivx internal syquest drive make original scratch suggestion jartsu 
spigot organization aviv university computation center lines friend mine problems running spigot configuration spigot system video spigot extension appriciate postitive negative experience setup amir 
accelerated video organization university california berkeley lines nntp posting host berkeley article especkma erik speckman writes macuser article centris quadra machines mentioned accelerated video recall dale adams post dale post words macuser accelerated video means quickdraw commands rewritten inside advantage addressing modes commands fills slightly faster instructions fetch bytes time versus 
monitor shut organization georgetown university lines summary monitor shutoff reply torricelli distribution world defect monitors bring dealer replace flyback free heard problem work today fixing free 
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video iici organization freshman electrical computer engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew able mode iici video card video card michael 
computer engr computer science distribution organization microelectronics products division company lines article mike writes freshman college decide major computer engineering computer science advice suggestions appreciated mike professor mine difference computer engineer computer scientist meaning engineer makes main difference people write programs people database graphics word processors engineer writes machines control systems computer flight control system computer controled devices words writes software writes firmware generalizations part difference joke scott 
scsi pmmu socket question organization microsystems lines distribution world reply corp nntp posting host marantz corp posting friend usenet access contact directly supposed socket pmmu chip socket motherboard obtained pmmu chip surplus store install circa socket install send pinouts scsi interface contact david chan bzone 
monitor shut organization university oregon network services lines nntp posting host ludwig uoregon article georgetown writes defect monitors bring dealer replace flyback free heard problem work today fixing free service notice monitors expired date apple reimburse service providers replacement voltage capacitor folks putting intermittant shutdowns service provider missed freebie force year free deal jeff hite computing center oregon jeffh uoregon 
general questions distribution organization milwaukee school engineering milwaukee lines questions required create macintosh network including laser printers line printers bare minimum create network primary purpose networking laser printer approx 
centris keywords centris nntp posting host charm urbana organization motorola computer group urbana design center lines article dlbg uiuc david berk writes recently purchased centris mirror technologies inch mono monitor wondering monitor monitor weighs called apple person spoke find call back couple days week respond email time read group david berk berk lots good information newsgroup prepared lots details shipping time weeks guess biggest disappointment lack detail written specs documentation case load spec setup section apple monitors publish maximum load figure hope partition button hard disk setup utility dare divide wealth family members securly information section manual suggested avenues calling apple mention mike feldman motorola computer group east university avenue pager urbana mcdphx uiucuxc feldman feldman 
specs organization worcester polytechnic institute lines distribution world nntp posting host greatly mail fine specs compares pentium specs estimated cost release date interested speeds systems windows risc costs info register info technical info hoping battle intel people info give lazer patrick delahanty warning star trek macintosh user internet patrickd sysop blues lazer uucp call blues macintosh user macintosh files free usenet 
errors quadra differences reply durham organization wolves unix lines signature wustl robert david klapper writes fixed screwed floating point calculations details sort errors sensitive strange problems intensive program segment loader errors thinkc system gregory woodbury wolves unix durham uucp dukcds wolves duke wolves maps domain durham wolves duke site affiliated duke university idiots 
desktop rebuild datadesk keyboard organization lines nntp posting host article tthiel uiuc terry thiel writes ijust datadesk keyboard centris problem desktop rebuilds hold command option keys restart switches command option keys work running problem terry terry recently bought lcii datadesk remember rebuild desktop give strange problem held shift startup disable extensions happened keyboard connector cable worked keyboard shift datadesk keyboard worked checked dipswitches fine disabling extensions works annoyed datadesk keyboard mail inspection repair replacement technician phone turn time meaning receive inspected repaired keyboard time keyboard weeks info annoying cost send keyboard refund money costumer service lines toll calls similar experience david mirsky 
desktop rebuild datadesk keyboard organization lines nntp posting host article tthiel uiuc terry thiel writes ijust datadesk keyboard centris problem desktop rebuilds hold command option keys restart switches command option keys work running problem terry resending message news program goofed time terry recently bought lcii datadesk remember rebuild desktop give strange problem held shift startup disable extensions happened keyboard connector cable worked keyboard shift datadesk keyboard worked checked dipswitches fine disabling extensions works annoyed datadesk keyboard mail inspection repair replacement technician phone turn time meaning receive inspected repaired keyboard time keyboard weeks info annoying cost send keyboard technical support line toll free similar experience david mirsky mirsky 
educational pricing article reed organization reed college portland oregon lines article writes article hayes kevin hayes writes find retail price keyboard educational prices wary retail outlets selling cheap educational prices retailer mail order computers price thant campus computer store found repair apple registered repair center resale serial number removed replaced standard number computers apple repair warrenty repairs ended warrenty apple month warrenty moral story caveat emptor apple authorise sales mail order result mail order companies obtain machines grey market market supplied machines authorised resellers machines sell state affairs overordering accidentally deliberatly wholsale price apple case obscure serial nunber protect identity result warranty void save sales shipping point mail order companies lower prices thatn high volume authorised dealers dealer cost result sell cheaper cutting costs trimming margins unfortunatly dont lowest prices quoted mailorder beat lowest prices authorised local dealers educational prices erik speckman 
trackball organization freshman electrical computer engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply blue roller trackball interior rubbing support push longer touches similar problem 
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lcii powerpc organization lines distribution world nntp posting host lcii recently heard interesting rumor heard lcii built slot powerpc chip true heard slot slot true david mirsky mirsky 
printer elite xxdate nntp posting host organization calvin college useragent nuntius lines article glen hoetker ghoetker nasa writes market post script compatible laser writer pretty modest pages minute fine budget pretty modest inexpensive good working single networkability good investment future mind comments suitability quality elite printer recently purchased elite describe addition wanted access appletalk eliminated line inexpensive printers apple print quality good excellent based font paper experimenting papers medium grade laser printer paper work fine printing envelopes transpariencies letter head single feed jobs easy adjustable automatic centering guide sheet feeder aligns paper properly feed sheet sheet feeder affiliation satisfied customer earl fife department mathematics fife calvin college grand rapids 
daystar xxdate nntp posting host organization calvin college useragent nuntius lines article bill johnston johnston udel writes daystar mails problems board questions board work problems kind software reports problems turbo knowledge daystar released version board works iisi iici finished tweaking testing happen upgrade released guess recommend waiting buying board upgrade compatibility assured turbo interface cards iicx sooner compatibility requirement patient pioneer added advantate waiting daystar power cache accelerator plug socket leaving slot free video card ethernet card daystar upgrade path lose situation earl fife department mathematics fife calvin college grand rapids 
centris bruce actrix bruce hoult lines zack smith writes konpej ericsson ejeklint writes missing centris shipped europe model shipped missing models ship ethernet ejeklint repeat centris sold zealand assume europe ethernet bought ethernet 
iisi clock upgrades organization university washington lines nntp posting host carson washington completed successful upgrade waiting delivery clock final speed trial needed heatsink touch higher speeds glued cent radio shack sink made call reports failures week reports arrived locally seattle reported damage user slipping iron putting gash board problem running fast nice poll report speeds system configurations including nubus cards happy coordinate report results 
conversion organization oxford university lines clark brian clark writes article roes oxford wrote working data acquisition analysis program collect data insect sensory organs stuff deleted alternative sound input port make existent dynamic range converter dubious linearity monotonicity coupled depends type questions cases fine critical information neuron firing frequency maximum action potentials seconds amplitude signal details signal shape resolution convertor sufficient coupling problem cases interested level amplifier coupled critical point lowest frequency pass cutoff point high action potentials slightly distorted matter occurrence spike important expect start battling toolbox clue start technical specifications peter roes oxford 
stylewriter question nntp posting host magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article egaillou ulaval eric gailloux writes read article swii thing puzzles article swii serial device unplug modem time print plug printer printer port modem modem port 
trackball organization california state university sacramento lines article writes trackbal longer moves horizontal direction called nearest authorized apple service person told needed replacing cost ouch recommend expensive problem strange symptom problem ball socket shine light hole make cursor move horizontally moving wheel finger works fine work turn light suggestions comments poor college student internet adept understand trackball works thing short repairing cleaning parts checking proper placement blue rollers fixed position stainless steel pins sliding slightly position powerbook slide completely contact trackball fact notes sumex fixing trackball advocates sliding roller edge contacts ball center cylindrical area improve feel adjusted time time popped open office latitude movement adjust roller slightly suspect culprit slippery blue roller clean mild soapy solution isopropyl alcohol ball grease free drop ball minus retaining ring roll ball causing axle spin solve order electrical connection case replacement experience mice trackballs dirt normal problem electrical malfunction hope helps murray murray altheim orteil bouc chevreil oreille instructional consultant corne chamois face vermeille sacramento comme rouge croissant dancent toute nuict altheimm dedans carrefour pres bruict 
crashes aftersleep apple nntp posting host extro organization sydney university computing service sydney australia lines lreiter tufts lowell reiter writes crashe close goesto sleeplikenormal open press screen showsthis wied pattern berely make outthe menubar words anditfrezzes lowell lowell reiter vacation tufts university internet account lreiter tufts problem post owners apple technical people appears problem waking sleep running battery power woken time sleeping wake fails screen appears corrupted image broken horizontal lines control recovered control command poweron reset back machine problem occurs system stock standard extensions virtual memory fully charged battery system problem machine plugged checked battery properly seated appears fine problem software hardware time repeatedly sleeping waking machine battery power behaviour apple clear bruce bruce tulloch sydney australia brucet complex problems straight forward easy understand wrong answers 
lcii problems xxmessage xxdate organization stanford university useragent nuntius lines finally computer fixed hard drive companies original drive sector quantum lcii supposed shipped ibms quality difference apparently hard drive position lcii side problems switched back horizontal vertical problems concerned position important drives computer life lane ends half mile ravi konchigeri mongoose stanford 
crashes aftersleep apple organization project glue university maryland college park lines nntp posting host orbit type problem point apple told system enabler file version fixes kind sleep related problem investigate josip loncaric 
stylewriter question lines read article swii thing puzzles article swii serial device unplug modem time print printer port serial interface imagewriter kris system fourd phone cute quote computer means 
powervision organization dartmouth college hanover lines posted internews market internal color video adaptor wondering powervision adaptor made mirror feel speed compatability interested boards envisio board mail opinion advance john 
interesting behaviour organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host stein washington article lawrence oliveiro waikato university writes article plugging unplugging devices power supported problems multiple devices clashing addresses couple mail responses people sort thing unsupported downright dangerous heard warnings apple asked couple technicians servicing macs years danger damaging logic boards plugging unplugging devices power noo servicing macs years repair number motherboards damaged rare happen mind parts blow power fuse filter expensive component level repair worth risk seattle hand repair option apple standard logic board swap major play safe scsi scsi floppies trouble gordon davisson davisson washington westwind computing university suite seattle 
dock process lines seth fail advantage whatsoever kind seth dumb idea kristen copy freddie evaluated origin technology 
powerbook freezes seconds nntp posting host ntrc ntrc organization home franks organization distribution comp lines days powerbook starts freeze appr seconds inactivity stays alive long program actively running long mouse moved experience similar problems fixes reply email read newsgroup mike fisher efisher frank siebenlist senior research fellow gintic institute manufacturing technology gimt nanyang technological university nanyang avenue singapore 
daystar turbo opinions lines thinking upgrading version experience accelerator problems speedometer results faster basically hearing product respond email summarize response advance andrew 
interesting behaviour organization project glue university maryland college park lines nntp posting host article davisson washington gordon davisson writes mind parts blow power fuse filter expensive component level repair worth risk seattle hand repair option apple standard logic board swap major play safe scsi floppies trouble otoh lucky unplugged replugged scsi blown blew shorting cable matthew russotto russotto russotto news readers expect disclaimer police searches seizures make force responsible bodily harm resulting advice 
seeking network access organization alamos national laboratory lines seeking recommendations vendors networkable outgoing ability platforms ethernet interface preffered localtalk suffice provide info advance peter peter haase internet haase lanl network manager alamos national laboratory 
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macintosh luggable lines screen organization occidental college angeles distribution comp lines working correctly long apple continues make system software slowly problem screen tilted back vertical lines screen pixels affected opening windows pulling menus semi technical person loose connection screen rest computer open suggestions involve buying computer taking shop larry pina books larry feel strongly computer service manual related note monitor connector connect erik 
performa monitor nntp posting host mizzou missouri organization university missouri lines performa monitor compatible apple color display moniro 
rack mount prices organization govt systems electronics lines good product rack mount blow money application music able haul plan drive depend internal fixed hard drive pretty rough internal francisco area matters info midi care email price paid price list mind curious difference retailers local university pricing jeff adams adams gtegsc 
current version shipping syquest drives organization johns hopkins university lines distribution world nntp posting host jhuvms news software vnews title versions steve 
crashes aftersleep apple lines organization tufts university medford mysstem crashes aftwer sleepp enabler appletalk filesharing expressmodem lowell lowell reiter vacation tufts university internet account lreiter tufts 
centris decstation adapter organization university toronto department industrial engineering lines pnsf umassd dennis wilkinson writes necessarily thrid party adapter apple manufacture transceivers thinwire baset twisted pair cable media attachment unit interface transciever thinwire baset terminators apple transceivers terminated remember correctly idea decs party media adapters cheaper toronto apple bought adapters asante apple gurman gsfc nasa joseph gurman writes decstation models thinwire models true decstation thinwire coaxial ethernet connector single ethernet connector distinctly remembered thought thinwire eventually back ordered destas oversized version adapter transciever cable rest stations advise original poster beverly create workstations machines thinwire media type unshielded twisted pair wiring requires concentrator means extra money units ports thicknet nightmare cabling expensive avoid choice machines floors parts side thinwire media adapter apple party macx make version system mactcp macx macx mactcp earlier versions centris terminator depending thinwire media adapter sales adapter terminated configure mactcp ethernet decstation side model connector models adapter plugged directly port decstation save cost transciever cable male female cable terminator machine network decstation centris decstation centris terminator connector thinwire coaxial cable thick thin adapter thickwire media adapter assuming terminated andy andy andy utoronto taddle creek road toronto computing coordinator ontario canada department industrial engineering phone university toronto 
monitors series computers organization university regina lines recall reading stand monitors cable adapters uncertain sinc asked people monitors specs needed monitor work horizontal vertical frequencies 
overhead projectors organization university british columbia lines distribution nntp posting host swiss mdcbbs vandenbrande writes color screens place overhead projector control presentation recommend brand price talking good display active matrix panel bright overhead projector designed panel stage proxima ovation unit needed brighter projector expensive imho prices active matrix panels rumoured drop substantially year tarrifs lifted canadian dollars proxima ovation models ranged price good overhead projector kind money brighter image beam projector sacrifice portability proper room lighting extremely important audience light read handouts light wash display front room tricky 
toshiba summary info difference find keywords toshiba organization informix software lines notice toshiba versions internal external portable difference portable external version area find model bill william daul advanced support informix software bohannon menlo park uunet infmx billd billd 
converting keyboard organization illinois state university lines couple years bought shiney apple keyboard ports replaced extended keyboard enjoy extra keyboard problem jack keyboard input keyboards extra cable local apple dealer nice people order wires wires cables black white ground serial signal supplies volts forgot fourth hook wrong board brave souls mail experience directly greatly apple original keyboard ergonomically correct keyboard find correlation wires jack luck connections soldered inside boxes blink draught breath blossoms health paleness death gilded saloon briar shroud spirit mortal proud william knox shagberg ilstu 
portable internal modems organization jack amazing cockroach capitalist ventures lines internal modem original portable made manufacturers find gene wright gene raider gene wright jackatak raider 
portable problems coprocessor installed organization jack amazing cockroach capitalist ventures lines recently bought card original portable backlit bizarre crashes machine sleep wake machine freeze cursor lock machine forcing push reset switch times give usual bomb error message processor installed solution machine sleep ideas causing memory card psuedostatic slot figures problem manufacturer king memory kingston irvine problem machine ideas gene wright gene raider gene wright jackatak raider 
driver dataframe organization joseph university lines driver bernoulli cartridge dataframe hard disk system fried able locate original disks mail advance wayne lyle wayne lyle dilworth paxson kalish kauffman philadelphia 
questions centris nntp posting host uhura rochester organization university rochester rochester distribution lines luck future wondering clear questions speed simms vram main heard conflicting stories total expandibility megs true phrasing version megs logic board megs simm wondering dave hollinsworth hlsw rochester astounding time fleeting madness takes play toll riff raff rocky horror picture show pinball disclaimer opinions 
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interesting behaviour nntp posting host hemul nada organization royal institute technology stockholm sweden lines lawrence oliveiro waikato university writes heard warnings apple asked couple technicians servicing macs years danger damaging logic boards plugging unplugging devices power problem pins connector close happen bend cable inserting short port apple repair centre means motherboard component replace physically serial ports localtalk cheers hacker deluxe article printed recycled electrons 
accelerated video nntp posting host hemul nada organization royal institute technology stockholm sweden lines berkeley james wang writes addressing modes commands fills slightly faster instructions fetch bytes time versus fetch bytes time instruction move fetches bytes time means pixels cheers hacker deluxe article printed recycled electrons 
dding hard disk drive iicx keywords iicx internal hard disk drive scsi reply rogntorb unit torbj rognes organization telematics norwegian institute technology lines info extra internal disk good advice iicx original internal quantum hard disk unusable floppy drive spare connor disk idea replace broken floppy drive hard disk problems internal scsi cable power cable inside connectors single hard disk drive made ribbon cable power cable connectors motherboard disks work iicx able supply extra power extra disk terminators suppose remove resistor packs disk closest motherboard leave installed disk scsi jumpers changed disk problem remove floppy drive external floppy boot hard disk torbj rognes email rogntorb unit 
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iisi power limitations summary organization stanford university lines iisi upgrades cards hard drive power limitations slot hard drive power feed separate limit single limit combined felix reader comp hardware feilimau stanford 
quadra scsi problems organization university washington school class lines nntp posting host stein washington keywords quadra scsi attention quadra owners storage industry experts concluded quadras suffer timing irregularities deviating standard scsi specification results silent corruption data devices including ultra modern devices devices fault sony inch special compatible firmware installed solution disable blind writes sound quadras scsi timing handled chip timing wrong apple programs clock registers wrong hurt synchronous transfer scsi manager disabling blind writes meaningless quadra macs lower level scsi chip responsible handshake byte transferred blind mode affected handled handshake handshake handled chip smith 
monitor nntp posting host ucla lines article carsona debra carson writes virtual screen larger size stepping time working powerbook system minor problem menubar icons edge latest version stepping works denis 
free share wares nntp posting host poplar organization dept information science univ tokyo japan distribution comp bytes lines sites freewares sharewares driver source codes sites information appreciated advance young dept info univ tokyo email young tokyo 
questions centris organization university tennessee computing center newsreader versaterm link distribution lines article hlsw rochester dave hollinsworth wrote luck future wondering clear questions speed simms vram main simms heard conflicting stories total expandibility megs true phrasing version megs logic board megs simm configs case memory soldered board leaving simm sockets open total addressable memory wondering michael mcguire mcguire utcc user services 
disappearing hard drive organization concert connect public access unix lines internal disappeared week hear reasonable theories folks suggest happened internal drive running system scsi devices properly terminated chain shut system town thunderstorms time year restarting blinking question mark booted floppy external sign internal installed system folder external able boot things disk silverlining inquire internal drive find errors talk silverlining claimed connor drive quantum backed things able work point noticed internal reappeared disk things fine happened warning internal nervous signal internal sick true drive inside folks claimed limitation size power includes lacie phone fits answers 
disabling power management interrupts reply petrack disclaimer posting views news software usenet lines point init turn power management write init turn power management point documentation power management write init explain init totally partially impossible ideally able turn surely init helpful powerbook owners midi imagine requires apple divluge secret case surely apple write init apple brings models fast days work scott petrack petrack vnet 
apple announce performas versions reply brandeis organization brandeis university lines article demon wright boomer writes apple announced start selling vesions performa machines built modems bundled software models prices apple retailer prices machines expected range kind post substantial world give details coming macs models 
desktop rebuild datadesk keyboard organization australian national university lines nntp posting host reply mirsky message datadesk keyboard similar problems found holding hand shift startup work disable extensions left hand shift unfortunate left instinctively reach similarly trained hold hand pair command option desktop rebuilds irritating cheers michael michael smith smith mathematics research section australian national university 
memory upgrades nntp posting host reply organization memories motorola newsreader lines jacob berkeley throgaw shaygiy writes excuse frequent question checked faqs find excused answer varies complex answer iisi standard memory additional memory budget performance wise economical told simms amount memory wanted rest manual helpful wide data wide simms short cuts greg words motorola equal rights special rights ride back greg berryman silence death motorola austin texas true mailing list glblist motorola 
centris reply mueck adsdesign analog organization analog devices lines question monitor apple monitor ontop centris coment thinking monitor small tilt swivel base weight concentrated apple area base tilt swivel additionally cdrom drive middle piece thick wood covered cream covered cloth buffer layer centris monitor mick mueck mick mueck hate chipsoft macintax 
thunderscan spare imagewriter cover lines replacement cover needed thunderscan imagewriter fool printer working cover sticking suitable magnet cover sensor ralph magnet trick work careful apply white tape rubber carriage roller tells scanner edge edgeways infolink wimsey voice views expressed individual author firstclass postalunion lite north vancouver canada 
lcii problems organization university houston lines reply ucsd nntp posting host transposon bchs article ravi konchigeri writes finally computer fixed hard drive companies original drive sector quantum lcii supposed shipped ibms quality difference apparently hard drive position lcii side problems switched back horizontal vertical problems concerned position important drives computer life lane ends half mile ravi konchigeri mongoose stanford ravi good idea horizontally formatted hard disk vertical position drive formatted horizontal position completely compensate gravitational pull vertical position hard disk fail tomorrow months chance detailed info problem mail sunnyt bchs sunny 
lcii problems sideways organization case school engineering lines distribution world nntp posting host student cwru useragent nuntius xxmessage xxdate article sunnyt bchs writes good idea horizontally formatted hard disk vertical position drive formatted horizontal position completely compensate gravitational pull vertical position hard disk fail tomorrow months chance detailed info problem mail sunnyt bchs sunny asked question contemplating placing side received response seagate trashed message stating newer drives seagates compensate gravity means horizontally formatted drive vertically data integrity problems newer drives work varying forces shaking bouncing place drive side rocking chair constitutes newer drive calling drive manufacturer quantum internal month guessing newer 
deskjet system nntp posting host bcarh organization bell northern research ottawa distribution comp lines article mori fujitsu tsuyoshi mori writes deskjet orange micros grappler system update system system kanji talk print deskjet grappler deskjet system deskjet system japan mori fujitsu deskjet grappler works system dutch swiss fonts size requirement print definition print font upgraded talked orange micro state grappler works system upgrade passed hope helps marc donovan donovan voice disclaimer responsible opinions 
lcii powerpc reply hades organization dartmouth college hanover disclaimer personally care speak moderator arts comics info lines mirsky david joshua mirsky writes lcii recently heard interesting rumor heard lcii built slot powerpc chip true heard slot slot true hype thing powerpc slot hades 
quadra scsi problems keywords quadra scsi organization laboratory computer science lines specific problem mentioned message scsi problems venerable jasmine megadrive cartridge drives solution silverlining loops involved blind writes worked drives fact loop worked macintosh software loop means mark 
quadra scsi problems keywords quadra scsi lines reply gsfc nasa jagielski organization nasa goddard space flight center washington smith writes attention quadra owners storage industry experts concluded quadras suffer timing irregularities deviating standard scsi specification results silent corruption data devices including ultra modern devices devices fault sony inch special compatible firmware installed solution disable blind writes sound quadras scsi timing handled chip timing wrong apple programs clock registers wrong hurt synchronous transfer scsi manager disabling blind writes meaningless quadra macs lower level scsi chip responsible handshake byte transferred blind mode affected handled handshake handshake handled chip docs scsi manager things jagielski stiff gsfc nasa lama nasa gsfc code effort greenbelt 
quadra scsi problems keywords quadra scsi nntp posting host udel organization university delaware lines article nodine mark nodine writes specific problem mentioned message scsi problems venerable jasmine megadrive cartridge drives solution silverlining loops involved blind writes worked drives fact loop worked macintosh software loop means doubt quadra specific problem venerable bernoulli year cartridges purchased make thing worth computer tech support ocean microsystems suggested party drivers problem case cartridges format mount partition bill johnston johnston udel chambers street newark 
scsi pmmu socket question organization dept university texas austin lines distribution world nntp posting host tokio utexas article corp writes supposed socket pmmu chip socket motherboard obtained pmmu chip surplus store install circa socket install original apple chip installed performs subset functions underneath front left floppy find chips approximately size approximately size apple chip easy spot hump middle apple logo make easy find mpretzel utexas 
lcii problems organization wyvern lines ravi konchigeri writes hard drive companies original drive sector quantum lcii supposed shipped ibms quality difference officially experience included quantums problem free brand hard drive position lcii side problems switched back horizontal vertical problems concerned position important drives computer matter hard drive long fall doug signature construction wyvern technologies tidewater premier online information system login guest password guest register 
noisy organization umcc arbor lines distribution nntp posting host umcc umcc umich article vincent gatech vincent writes older style fans remind house ventilator cylindrical drum bladed rotor makes loud buzzing noise vibration somewheres remove screws loosen front back quiets assume housing goofy thing touching back case vibrating suggestions replacement fans stealth experiences planned perfect batf spokesperson failed raid attempt owned replaced silencer macwarehouse macconnection instruction installation requires soldering worked charm manufacturer mobius dave 
nubus capable reply hades organization dartmouth college hanover disclaimer personally care speak moderator arts comics info lines mmiller msen marvin miller writes friend recently purchased demon called nubus adapter slot compusa computercity supercenter carry incapable carrying nubus board means family macs cards able nubus hades 
desktop rebuild datadesk keyboard organization university illinois dept comp urbana lines smith michael smith writes similarly trained hold hand pair command option desktop rebuilds work phone tech support desktop rebuild holding holding holding holding finally back basically work doens guess back macconnection things play musical keyboards terry 
fekvh nntp posting host hpfcmrc organization hewlett packard fort collins newsreader version lines cerkoney cerkoney email hewlett packard rodc east harmony hpdesk fort collins 
dumb question organization dept computer science trinity college dublin lines plain speed increase reference chip advance sylvain louboutin phone mail sloubtin distributed system group reilly institute room department computer science trinity college dublin ireland 
lcii powerpc reply andrem pyramid andre molyneux organization pyramid technologies view california lines article mirsky david joshua mirsky writes lcii recently heard interesting rumor heard lcii built slot powerpc chip true heard slot slot true david mirsky mirsky popping revealed socket additional vram simm socket simm socket flat pack processor direct slot identical additional connetions side full data path lacked guess board powerpc chip made place andre molyneux insert favorite disclaimer pyramid technology corp internet street andrem jose packet nocal 
questions centris nntp posting host engels mitre organization mitre corporation distribution lines article mcguire michael mcguire wrote article hlsw rochester dave hollinsworth wrote luck future wondering clear questions speed simms vram main simms heard conflicting stories total expandibility megs true phrasing version megs logic board megs simm configs case memory soldered board leaving simm sockets open total addressable memory times postings dale adams apple computer require simms centris requires simms pete 
setup partition centris nntp posting host bcarm organization bell northern research lines article feldman mike feldman wrote figure hope partition button hard disk setup utility dare divide wealth family members securly information section manual suggested avenues calling apple mention mike feldman motorola computer group east university avenue pager urbana mcdphx uiucuxc feldman feldman partition button apple setup lets types partitions create normal volume silverlining similar advantage unused space hard disk mind reformatting thing chris ellens ellens 
performa internal modem disclaimer public access unix system university denver denver community university control responsibility opinions users organization public access unix denver math dept lines article owen writes hear performa lcii internal modem modem part obtained installed lcii nice powerbook internal modem hope misinformed checked sears week modem external data send 
monitor organization baylor college medicine lines distribution reply chen nntp posting host nuclear keywords monitor resolution maxapplezoom shareware init monitor driven internal video chen 
memory upgrade organization netcom line communication services guest lines jeffe seas upenn george writes memory newer models upgrade powerbooks card powerbooks upgrade upgrades eric smith erics erics 
upgrade slow nntp posting host crux cornell reply organization sendai corporation lines douce andrew geweke writes speak dale macintosh full data path full advantage running fast simms simm longword accesses assuming data path byte simm byte longword memory split simms byte hand simms interleaved word longword byte successive memory memory controller deals data path suspect interleaved extent bits read written byte level interleave confusing machines longword interleave simms sort sort idea essential data path excuse handle writing successive addresses speeds dale simms interleaved bytes allowing full data common usenet clueless conclusion drawn figure kind memory configuration datapath fastest ideas jason macdonald jason scott macdonald cornell technology sufficiently advanced indistinguishable magic cats exist arthur clarke caress lion 
lcii cache card summary rumors announcements nntp posting host afit organization force institute technology lines press releases heard rumors cache card lcii full data width slot maurice internet lriggins 
modem info nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines alternatives express modem owners baud place town back ordered part reason laptop remote terminal hate wait months modem settle baud 
long simm distribution organization opinions apple computer lines article king wrote simm moving flip flops move bigger electron noah noah macintosh hardware design decwrl apple noah opinions apple computer 
quadra scsi problems organization opinions apple computer lines article washington smith wrote attention quadra owners storage industry experts concluded quadras suffer timing irregularities deviating standard scsi specification results silent corruption data devices including ultra modern devices devices fault fine industy experts track sound quadras scsi timing handled chip kinda curious scsi problems encountered cabling noah noah macintosh hardware design decwrl apple noah opinions apple computer 
nubus capable organization opinions apple computer lines article mmiller msen marvin miller wrote friend recently purchased demon called nubus adapter slot compusa computercity supercenter carry incapable carrying nubus board apple make card suppose party problem room standard nubus card inside noah noah macintosh hardware design decwrl apple noah opinions apple computer 
centris internal organization opinions apple computer lines article jbailey bailey wrote hades dartmouth brian hughes writes washington smith writes jbailey bailey writes internal mixing analog audio outputs generated audio motherboard sample audio sound control panel clicking options button microphone icon click options button undimmed latest word disconnect microphone cable motherboard button supposed audio simply select audio microphone removed button dims select tracked centris check assumed machines internal worked quadra made mistake months issue noah noah macintosh hardware design decwrl apple noah opinions apple computer 
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long simm organization bellcore livingston distribution lines article noah noah price writes article king wrote simm moving flip flops move bigger electron dynamic based flip flops basically single transistor capacitor store static based flip flops expensive dense parts move electrons thermal expansion noah chris chris wood bellcore bellcore 
floptical question organization case western reserve university lines distribution world nntp posting host student cwru useragent nuntius xxmessage xxdate article billy myers bmyers utexas writes floptical technology enjoy long term data storage opticals time looked floptical disk weren cheap floptical disk megabyte sysquest megabyte times posted listens floptical media megabyte bying flopticals disks meagabyte buying bulk special deal good book approching floppy price questions source cwru chris chris roberts cwru cwru roberts eeap cwru roberts cwru find logged terminal checking mail 
sale absolutely organization ohio state university computer science lines distribution nntp posting host gecko ohio state motorola sell good offer static free sealed package good offer replace takers supposedly moment demand higher supply good round number shipping offers send lewallen ohio state 
updated keyboard question organization illinois state university lines couple years bought shiney apple keyboard ports replaced extended keyboard enjoy extra keyboard problem jack keyboard input keyboards extra cable local apple dealer nice people order wires wires cables black white ground serial signal supplies volts forgot fourth hook wrong board brave souls mail experience directly greatly apple original keyboard ergonomically correct keyboard find correlation wires jack luck connections soldered inside boxes thing case thinking ports newer models connection telephone cable connect keyboard jack words engineering feat matter finding correct order work post solution input blink draught breath blossoms health paleness death gilded saloon briar shroud spirit mortal proud william knox shagberg ilstu 
iisi clock upgrades organization boeing computer services lines watching iisi speedup reports plan upgrade weeks plan build small board crystals able switch speeds front pannel switch speed slower stock speeds experience compatability problems applications expect able switch clock speeds system running switch lock problems switch needed back idle needeed reduce wear tear heat sink clock signals switch chip board select frequency desired route directly mother board started probing inside voltage level power crystal oscilators 
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ccelaratores nntp posting host admin reply root organization ncube corp foster city lines accelaratores make difference understand graphics accelaration graphics accelarator scanner photo shop combination practical iici kinds accelaratores captain 
photo shop scanner nntp posting host admin reply root organization ncube corp foster city lines macc iici color scanner scanned picture print color printer minutes making noise hangs reboot memory disk free scanned picture captain 
constantly rebooting stubbs ukans jerry stubbs organization university kansas computer science dept lines side note smoke machines sudden start emitting thick grayish white smoke case capacitor encountered keith cooley macintosh administrator louisiana tech university latech happen time beginning students pretty entertaining lecture demonstration 
request info floptical drives keywords floptical drives nntp posting host umanitoba organization university manitoba winnipeg canada lines adding floptical drive current system floptical drives recommended quality performance preference floptical drives capable handling floppies handling floppies necessity iomega floptical infinity floptical drives comments recommendations floptical drives worth purchased mail order places advance send replies directly umsoroko umanitoba mike sorokowski umsoroko umanitoba 
sale teleport modem send organization kansas state university lines nntp posting host matt selling global village teleport modem send connects port software sending faxes included reasonable offers mail dave dave peak internet dppeak skibum 
sale simms organization kansas state university lines nntp posting host matt simms sell months lifetime warrenty simms reasonable offers mail dave internet dppeak skibum 
syquest centris kmoffatt umkc organization kansas city computer science nntp posting host cstp umkc lines remember reading thread days mentioned removing external syquest drive case dropping internal drive centris couple questions syquest drive wire drive switch case connect switch computer internal drives noticed drive part motherboard closely recall laying soldered motherboard problems question order faceplate cover drive front panel smaller space left case drive panel size spotsbm clone cases hole plastic panel holding tmpty place welcomed keith moffatt kmoffatt cstp umkc 
iici upgrade organization nswc lines article dudek mcrcim mcgill gregory dudek wrote article login writes posted note specs quadra opinions upgrade iici accelerator card responsed noticed upgrade paths cost efficiency pros cons complete obtained dealer recent copy macworld macuser foggy memory suggests relevant comparison factors iici data path recall slower style machines ethertalk card board audio motherboard simm slots nubus slots flexible build video vram comparison iici accelerator give audio ethernet video options accelerator performance comparable ends costing greg dudek accelerator daystar cheaper upgrading accelerator costs upgrade costs quoted dealer upgrade fast built video supports monitors depth depth additional vram scsi port capable faster throughput makes difference fast hard drive improved video scsi features important upgrade save money accelerator paul 
quadras vram question xxmessage xxdate nntp posting host planet organization imag institute grenoble france useragent nuntius lines question quadras vram find info precise answers hand quadra monitor capable color vram hand quadra monitor capable color vram vram simms machines color capability vram simms documentation quadra vram color correct bonus question vram simms hide documentation power supply power supply access vram simms daniel salber user interface research team imag grenoble france salber 
monitor lcii keywords lcii monitor organization mips technologies lines nntp posting host arctic originator lian folks planning lcii advice choosing monitor people recommend decent monitor looked spec price budget lcii able resolutions specifically resolution lcii support resolution recommendations reliable mail order place lcii monitors experience mail order places syex express houston flex bloomingdale jeff jeff lian lian lian mips technologies shoreline boulevard 
modem nntp posting host staff organization university minnesota lines responded request info kinds modem questions advantages buying global village teleport gold cheaper brands supra zoom heard supra zoom software complaints incompatibility problems supra kind incompatibility decided teleport gold possibility voice option future heard voice option supra offer coming summer person mention modem good reviews magazines fastest economically sound voice option modem posting questions promise repost answers posted responder advance thian 
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graphics card nntp posting host bonnie reply mmadsen matt madsen organization univ calif irvine info computer dept lines graphics cards accelerator plenty accelerator graphics cards matt madsen mmadsen 
mouse ergo organization lines distribution comp nntp posting host tigger apple supposed start bundlign ergonomic mouse cpus sold jeffrey sullivan research scientist internet information sciences institute compuserve university southern california 
scsi woes iifx keywords scsi iifx organization nasa ames research center lines trouble scsi iifx machine years hard drive internal maxtor half years disk recently crashed reformatted silverlining reformat received random write errors testing error message reported sector write error detected testing good sector mapped occurred randomly hard disk makes suspect diagnostic reference sector reformat reinstalling scsi read write loops able passes errors pass reason reported errors mapped sectors decided ahead resinstall system reload data backup proceded optimal performance symptoms include frequent crashes instances extremely sluggish disk access requiring reboot correct instances finding disk scsi chain reboot boot norton occurs find disk thing fixes recycling power requires attempts questions type problem problem motherboard standard scsi implementation maxtor disk diagnostic software make determination termination problem external syquest external dataframe chain internal termination iifx terminator scsi filter installed internal drive exact steup years previous disk crash requiring reformat year symptoms disconnect external devices scsi termination issue appreciated forrest lumpkin nasa ames research center lumpkin nasa 
cards nntp posting host elvex acns organization northwestern university lines article karlsruhe thomas koenig wrote heavy duty image processing underpowered iisi time burned cards part load cards callable pascal replace dimensional routines existing program check national instruments texas instruments chip true floating point pricey 
high resolution nntp posting host elvex acns organization northwestern university lines article douglas wrote article charles cunningham writes card digitization rate preferably prefer good differential integral linearity national instruments vendor sells card instrutech corp nice board speeds good sized fifo buffer samples instrutech reached instrutech boards plan check careful checking monotonicity ratio boards boards terms monotonicity ratio accuracy dyynamic range freedom distortion expect good true converter true spectral innovations boards 
iivx upgrade question organization lines distribution comp nntp posting host tigger iivx upgrade include sticker cover iivx identifier centris indetifier jeffrey sullivan research scientist internet information sciences institute compuserve university southern california 
nubus nubus capable nntp posting host fnalf fnal organization fermi national accelerator laboratory lines article hades dartmouth brian hughes writes mmiller msen marvin miller writes friend recently purchased demon called nubus adapter slot family macs cards able nubus technically macslinger difference nubus impossible make gadget plugs ends nubus card cage marvin friend able locate fundamental reason bill higgins fermi national accelerator laboratory bitnet higgins bitnet internet higgins fnal span hepnet higgins 
power supplies summary nntp posting host cunixa columbia reply columbia amir rosenblatt organization columbia university lines thnik able pick piar power supplies dead pick pair refurbished cheap preferably mail order planned fior sold friend terminal connect modem mail account client downloads printing latest system software usable suckers 
problems organization netcom line communication services guest lines chess ucsc brian vantuyl chess writes difficulties machine plugged wall adapter sleep unplugged wall woken crashes time original system software machine battery plenty life power manager problem speaker occasionally makes high pitched hiss noise irregular favor sleep restart commands weeks suffer problems reinstalled system software effort combat problems thinking system software problems initially reinstalling system anymore occasionally wake solid screen horizontal lines screen freezes high pitched hiss occasionally startup called apple hotline appl times finally agreed astray screen hard drive spun itselft sleep problem occured apple ship looked york problem intermittent afford time problems brian cherkas bcherkas brianc compuserve netcom online communication services jose 
lcii problems xxmessage xxdate organization stanford university useragent nuntius lines article sunnyt bchs writes good idea horizontally formatted hard disk vertical position drive formatted horizontal position completely compensate gravitational pull vertical position hard disk fail tomorrow months chance detailed info problem replies fact place hard drive side point work drives drives smaller platter stable chance running maxtor side flat year problems period trust manufacturer life lane ends half mile ravi konchigeri mongoose stanford 
video cable options xxmessage xxdate organization stanford university useragent nuntius lines discussion couple weeks cables achieve resolutions quadra centris series company sold cables mentioned mail companies address info relevant life lane ends half mile ravi konchigeri mongoose stanford 
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powerpc ruminations lcii powerpc organization dalhousie university halifax nova scotia canada lines article andrem pyramid andre molyneux writes article mirsky david joshua mirsky writes lcii recently heard interesting rumor heard lcii built slot powerpc chip true heard slot slot true david mirsky mirsky popping revealed socket additional vram simm socket simm socket flat pack processor direct slot identical additional connetions side full data path lacked guess board powerpc chip made place nubus powerpc upgrade require logic board swap interesting apple nubus powerpc allowed rocketshare guess fantastic wondering macweek reported developers seeded powerpcs nubus card word machine arrivals estimated speed heard estimates times speed quadra native risc mode heard apple employee mumble arrival powerpc machines earlier date doubt true finally powerpc developer mini advertised developer university calendar interesting sean seanmcd 
repair sticky mouse button call apple organization university massachusetts amherst lines distribution world nntp posting host deimos umass news reader news posted comp hardware misc consumers heard apple great customer support program real support apple computer users give read march issue macweek ford year effort liam breck document bring apple attention problem defective mice random switches mice stick position clicked time apparently machine system software involved reported problem mice manufactured malaysia bcga recognize sticky button symptom immediately mouse problem intermittent subtle liam breck recently gave document problem suggested people contact apple customer assistance center directly macweek called apple march defective mouse eventually case number told apple replace mouse months warranty waiting weeks called back today wondering mouse time told apple decided serial number mouse undisclosed range apple replace people complain problem make worth apple replace entire defective mice mice assume problem lots theories start hacking inside hundred dollar mouse apple minutes call apple united states canada europe australia japan pacific number toll free call collect describe problem replacement mouse refuse insist register details case including mouse serial number firm network managers user group leaders query user bases friends colleagues send mail post sticky button report call apple directly victims trouble report problem apple eventually forced respond apple continues find easy stone wall issue expect offer support potentially defect uncovered bill sloan 
wanted monitor problems iivi nntp posting host reply jartsu organization helsinki university technology finland lines past days fighting multisync predecessor work properly internal video iivi adapter dale adams posting quadra video works minor interferences occur small prevent action screen visible clear scanrates stuff emulating apple made adapter fron local distributor adapters picure excellent time radical screen opening palettes large windows major interferences sync picture tilts sideways scrables totally clear spiky interferences horizontal line alignment accessing pull downs made adapter identical sense pins differ impossible boot picture clear shut menu adapter time picture tilts badly sideways sync completely lost made made adapters interference provided source interference give pinouts mess hope figure assignment make completely cable maximum shieldings isolations figures pins arranged syncs groundings checked monitor defective works perfectly graphic adapters pixels atari monochrome pinouts stuff mini quadra video green video video blue video composite sync sense green video green green sense blue blue video sense sync sync sync sync blue sync sync sync shell shell connection suggested apple svga sense pins changed emulate apple multisync made adapter multisync mini sense grounded sync connection measured adapter make emulate apple adapter provided representative mini shell connected waiting solutions jartsu 
question organization netcom line communication services guest lines asked question week monitor magnavox magnascan wondering video cards supports magnavox email phone number reply email read news steve steven seeger dark string blow hang flabby window blow string airwolf 
adding hard disk drive iicx organization university washington lines nntp posting host carson washington keywords iicx internal hard disk drive scsi hard drive iicx internally recommended procedure apple equivalent upgrading quadra power supply stock able power quantum drives scsi accelerator micron technologies video board daystar quickcache technologies overdrive simultaneously added mount drive attaching angle brackets drive tower internal scsi cable changed longer flat ribbon cable added extra connector midway final internally terminated drive motherboard final terminator resistor packs removed cooling problem scsi problems occur scsi chain motherboard scsi hooked internal hard drives works proceed cautiously 
iisi clock upgrades organization university washington lines nntp posting host carson washington read report brave soul rewired clock higher speed clock oscillator outputs double throw switch speeds mention attempts switch speeds timing loops quadra accessing floppy drive dynamic switching wreak havoc quadra reboot clock speed significantly changed unable properly access floppy drive 
sectors track organization portal system distribution world lines ansi standard magneto optical disc sectors track disc revolution tracks disc frazier 
simm configuration organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host thor cwru understand current situation simms iisi years memory faster simms simms simms today usable years newer powerful system insight appreciated sprecher cwru 
recommendations removable storage media wanted organization cornell theory center lines nntp posting host theory cornell article nada wtte writes friends optical optical lose friends smell stop worrying cartridge wear bernoulli crashes syquest note heard tales syquest failures curious comments cartridge wear bernoullis elaborate general consensus opticals reliable concerned media failures opposed drive mechanism failures julian vrieslander neurobiology behavior mudd hall cornell university ithaca internet eacj cornell bitnet eacj uucp cornell batcomputer eacj 
centris video problem organization media laboratory distribution comp lines computer colors operations vertical scrolling window horizontal white lines monitor generally spare open windows lines accummulate operation continued window moved involved area screen moved line disappear area screen problem observed monitor configured colors inch apple monitor colors suspect video chip problem apparent worse problem fine switch colors smaller monitor configuration model centris vram cards monitor monitor adaptor resolution discovered problem plugging monitor scrolling window alpha word enter guess vrams hope design flaw apple listening pushpinder singh push 
crashes aftersleep apple organization university michigan arbor lines reply tpeng nntp posting host livy umich originator tpeng umich memory card installed apple problem couple months release memory manufacturers shipping memory cards improper refreshing chips party card pull sleep problem recurs 
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poor owner iisi organization university pittsburgh lines macintosh iisi clock upgraded iisi works work nubus adaptor disk read write disk interestingly upgraded iisi overcomes basically fighting vedio system reduced mater cache pretty virtual memory system graf disk math speedometer 
performa bundle organization worcester polytechnic institute worcester lines distribution nntp posting host vlsi staples framingham today grabbed info sheet bundle mere megahertz microprocessor hard disk floppy disk drive built support colors expandable colors expansion slot keyboard mouse display pitch extra sharp text graphics pixels microphone speaker macintosh system software performa computers version ease macintosh exchange quicktime software global village teleport modem send service support year limited warranty year home service toll free line support installed software wordperfect works clickart collection touchbase datebook bestbooks amereican heritage dictionary correct grammar apple special edition american online free trial membership checkfree electronic bill payment software spectre challenger scrabble editor note spec sheet list microprocessor corrected confuse 
quadra scsi problems lines reply gsfc nasa jagielski organization nasa goddard space flight center noah noah price writes article washington smith wrote attention quadra owners storage industry experts concluded quadras suffer timing irregularities deviating standard scsi specification results silent corruption data devices including ultra modern devices devices fault fine industy experts track quoted written scsi director sound quadras scsi timing handled chip kinda curious scsi problems encountered cabling calling transoft corp response expect damaging state ment data back transoft phone number jagielski stiff gsfc nasa lama nasa gsfc code effort greenbelt 
test simms nntp posting host magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines simms work software test simms rely test performed computer start installed dead simm strange music display screen advance tyng ytwu ohio state 
modem info article agate organization university california berkeley lines nntp posting host garnet berkeley jmilhoan ohio state writes alternatives express modem owners baud place town back ordered part reason laptop remote terminal hate wait months modem settle baud memory serves postings read newsgroup repeat internal modems express modem speed modem main tasks apple releasing details architecture vague details gist party internal modems wrong correct bearer news joel joel siegel able find feminism called feminist express sentiments differentiate doormat rebecca west 
questions centris organization university california berkeley lines distribution nntp posting host garnet berkeley times postings dale adams apple computer require simms centris requires simms pete meant quadra centris real nice machine yeah joel joel siegel able find feminism called feminist express sentiments differentiate doormat rebecca west 
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sony rasterops sale update article geraldo qoddq reply utexas keldsen distribution organization university texas austin austin lines nntp posting host tramp utexas originator utexas fellow humans creatures interested merchandise mail utexas compacting system moving single monitor system monitors cards sale wrong pieces wanting conserve desk space info screen prefer sell people austin surrounding areas driving distance hour ship live problem original boxes monitors confident months full time service shipping room enable safely package monitors flip direction details mirror full page display monochrome nubus card sold sony color monitor ratings year macuser report sony trinitron arguably argue point great monitor great shape bigger screen finances justify selling macland bought originally including shipping sell shipping make offer sounds unreasonable rasterops accelerated hardware zoom renamed months bought board monitors providing accelerated hardware zoom ntsc mode plug rasterops video expander output ntsc slots simms gworld disk software included functions included simms selling bottom line shipping included time card original packaging prefer sell sony monitor card drop mail make bundled offer items cheers keldsen utexas keldsen utexas berklee college student univ texas austin member billy death music composition programmer consultant midi programmer 
trade system color article wixer organization real time communications lines color care color machine prefer trade present system cash equipment color system full color system outright system internal drive external external drive imagewriter color ribbon stuff modems give system multitech multimodem data robotics sportster data microcom connect highest faster connected microcom multitech brand interested send mail dleonard primary judy stamps misc topical stamps dogs dleonard cats baseball subjects secondary stamp information call tony leonard dleonard cactus business number 
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cable lines facing female plug recognize layout female plug connector peripherals problem problem problem printer cheap cables configuration switch couple pins cheap cables pins reversed creative editing internals greatly appreciated carr maine umaine ncaa champions black bears blue 
clock reports summary request clock poll keywords clock upgrade oscillator chip article shelley qokppinnree organization university washington lines nntp posting host carson washington continuing collect user results produce comprehensive report iisi clock oscillator upgrades attempted modification drop note details experience reports obtained accurate numbers generate include speed achieved system configuration setting speed rating digits printed presence additional heat sinks nubus cards floppy drive functionality disks damage incurred modification damage higher speed average length time hours unusual modifications usual procedure 
mouse ergo distribution comp organization royal institute technology stockholm sweden lines nntp posting host hemul nada jeff sullivan writes apple supposed start bundlign ergonomic mouse cpus sold yesterday ergonomic keyboard order months cheers hacker deluxe clear disc seek forever 
parking heads iddle nntp posting host ucla lines powerbooks park heads seconds inactivity builtin drive logic programmed software tune iddle timeout makes heads park heads parked seconds inactivity hear clunk heads parking denis 
snooper opinions keith whitehead distribution world organization apple source mailer rnmac buggy beta test version lines snooper macekg similar diagnostic software comparisons reviews products appreciated advance cheers acme thankfull dont government 
scsi woes iifx organization university nebraska omaha lines official documentation failure iifx terminator affect scsi performance damage problem sporadic scsi problems iifx bought connect devices fourth major problems thing reformat drive elses system continue errors drive formats fine format system externals fails scsi controller iifx repair replacement hope helps david salmon salmon 
difference portable powerbook distribution organization jersey institute technology newark lines nntp posting host hertz njit portable work people portables selling differences portable heavier internal drive portable support appletalk network connections inside portable portable support system maximum memory capacity portable meaning special simms kind internal portable screen advance mike gaines captain jean picard quest seek holy grail velocity bird prey romulan klingon aahh njit graphix 
nubus nubus capable organization university liverpool lines nntp posting host newsreader version bill higgins beam jockey higgins fnal wrote article hades dartmouth brian hughes writes mmiller msen marvin miller writes friend recently purchased demon called nubus adapter slot family macs cards able nubus technically macslinger difference nubus impossible make gadget plugs ends nubus card cage marvin friend able locate fundamental reason exist nubus expansion cages advertised occassionally main problem cost difference price iivx lots nubus slots worth bother extra boxes expensive buys expensive nubus technology special apple proprietry thing sneaky feeling licensed texas instruments problem building expansion difference nubus nubus clever interface lots neat toys built make lots cards work computer processor direct slot connections processor quick cooperation able double slot adaptors plugging video cards watch conflict extra electronics nubus slot makes appreciably expensive guess apple cheaper machines pays money takes choice bill 
syquest centris organization media laboratory lines installed tape backup issues answer questions article kmoffatt umkc writes syquest drive wire drive switch case connect switch computer internal drives hard wire scsi shorting jumpers convenient number hole back machine route switch hassle needing frequently change internal drive noticed drive part motherboard didn closely recall laying soldered motherboard problems yeah installed tape drive concerned problem device designed fine overhang reach back vram simms question order faceplate cover drive front panel smaller space left case drive panel size spotsbm clone cases hole plastic panel holding tmpty place special order parts mount device local apple dealer relevant parts blank bezel faceplate carrier generic device mounting bracket note apple unfortunate choice slide bracket mount device service techs talked stock thinking caddies hold disk stick drive apple sell bezel faceplate standard device advertise machines able accept standard device provide faceplate sell cutout drive hack extra bezel ordered make cutout tape drive standard device good luck syquest fred 
modem info summary hard modem nntp posting host silver indiana organization indiana university lines jdsiegel berkeley joel siegel writes jmilhoan ohio state writes alternatives express modem owners baud place town back ordered part reason laptop remote terminal hate wait months modem settle baud apple good product gladly business ataris situation express modem inexusable business mine order january apple finally called week week meantime stuck connectability needed plenty people bite back citing sorts reasons apple justified crabby consumer order modem product expect limited computer remember miata cabbage patch dolls kenneth simon dept sociology indiana university internet kssimon bitnet kssimon 
system zone organization purdue university newsreader version lines week posted problem megs true extensions large amount memory total extensions system crash finder meant large amount fonts load sounds huge disk caches control panel apple memory control panel apple cache mode addressing extensions work increase memory methods mentioned latest followup nows system profile information memory info physical size logical size size memory area virtual memory inactive addressing mode mode system zone absent parity capable growable system heap true temporary memory support present tempory memory support real tracked note system zone absent problem turn ideas 
hongkong organization fidonet node association grand blanc lines kinau csufresno hung date organization california state university fresno message newsgroups comp hardware hong kong cheap based computer experience macintosh winter back hong kong price classic hong kong price recommended hong kong popular hung disagree assessment macintosh hong kong sizeable share typesetting market local magazine magazine similar newsweek extensively speedy franchises hong kong equipped based systems true discount steep customers hong kong gray market sold mass merchandisers apple performa point sale handled exclusive distributor hand clone earlier days illegal clones apple perception popular hong kong simply hobbyists users find cheaper basement stores sell clones illegal copies bios similarly lotus surely accepted hong kong sale places kowloon illegal copies lotus bought professional illegal copies manuals eric choi internet eric choi fidonet 
specs organization netcom jose california lines patrickd lazer writes greatly mail fine specs compares pentium specs fill page book highlights address space data width integer registers floating point registers copyback capable caches associative typical clocks integer instruction clocks floating point multiply interesting multiply floating point numbers time multiply integers specs estimated cost release date multiple instruction dispatching figure clocks instruction typical guess motorola pretty bright interested speeds systems windows risc costs info register info technical info call motorola typing hoping battle intel people predicting lines reaching ends experimental processors data pathways schedule instructions clock cycle sort trick cisc architectures finally details pentium greatly impressed finally work speed speedup integer units larger caches branch target buffer talking processors whoop designing board difficult expensive priced memory chips fischer convictions dangerous enemies truth lies friedrich nietzsche 
compare organization netcom jose california distribution lines uucp dave kitabjian writes intel motorola competing neck neck crunch power clock speed rank list pentium powerpc fastest pentium versions powerpc vicinity clock speed doubling clock speed double processor speed fill computer speed partly dependent processor clock speed memory system speed play large role video system speed speed processor clock rates speed memory system greatest factor system speed processor reading word memory memory computer cost times slower simms roughly fast clock speed fischer convictions dangerous enemies truth lies friedrich nietzsche 
nubus nubus capable organization worcester polytechnic institute lines nntp posting host bigwpi article sellers writes bill higgins beam jockey higgins fnal wrote article hades dartmouth brian hughes writes mmiller msen marvin miller writes friend recently purchased demon called nubus adapter slot family macs cards able nubus technically macslinger difference nubus impossible make gadget plugs ends nubus card cage marvin friend able locate fundamental reason exist nubus expansion cages advertised occassionally main problem cost difference price iivx lots nubus slots worth bother extra boxes expensive buys expensive nubus technology special apple proprietry thing sneaky feeling licensed texas instruments problem building expansion apple iee nubus standard backplane technote reada couple weeks stuff deleted hope helps bret chase internet bchase macintosh bellnet smile kill snailnet institute worcester 
ccelerators nntp posting host lambada organization university north carolina extended bulletin board service lines week backorder shipping opinions expressed necessarily university north carolina chapel hill campus office information technology experimental bulletin board service internet launchpad 
iisi power limitations summary organization stanford university distribution lines readers iisi upgrades cards hard drive power limitations slot hard drive power feed separate limit single limit combined drop line answers questions felix feilimau stanford 
screen death lines organization tufts university medford problem screens blank minor physical jolt inserting floppy internal drive computer left blank replaced wires connecting logic boards video board jiggling wires made screen back worked blanking returned power supply computer advice ethan bodin tufts university ebodin tufts 
mail address caere corporation organization edinburgh university lines mail address caere corporation address caere corporation cooper court gatos califonia address access find send mail address thanking advance 
reseting factory defaults organization mount holyoke college lines nntp posting host orixa mtholyoke laserwriter disappeared completely network show zone print serial interface discussion changing zone including code lets change zone code back factory default settings feeling needed heal jurgen botz jbotz vending machines respond finger south hadley request list items unix dead long live unix purchase 
apple mini docks reply deguzman organization calculus mathematica uiuc lines boss purchase powerbook leaning math coprocessor mathematica find mini dock coprocessor parties announced beast alan deguzman genius understood time calculus mathematica disclaimer university calvin hobbes afford opinions indispensible calvin hobbes 
iicx turn nntp posting host lines iicx turn keyboard switch back machine work turn unplug machine minutes plug back power switch back immediately work long time remember hearing problem long time logic board failure mentioned source problem true pilon pilon 
upgrading memory organization high altitude observatory boulder distribution lines original powerbook find drag work maximum unit cost hoping latest info real users posting group advance bill 
test simms organization university illinois dept comp urbana lines ytwu ohio state tyng writes simms work software test simms rely test performed computer start installed dead simm strange music display screen advance tyng ytwu ohio state shareware ramchecker called ramcheck sites umich sumex terry 
centris math coprocessor option organization portal system distribution lines read comp hardware purchasing couple centris configured systems ethernet vram math coprocessor option purchasing agent told math coprocessor option apple summary documentation prove ordered coprocessor option needed thought chip math coprocessor built apple math coprocessor chip architectured speed chip centris concerned hardware bottleneck send responses david anthony guevara portal summarize interest david guevara internet david anthony guevara portal 
floppy organization university denver dept math comp lines ericr eric robison writes spare floppy drive floppy drive floppy drive eric eric robison disclaimer claim ericr offa planet thing fdhd upgrade apple includes floppy drive chips swim chip mentioned post floppy drive cable apple dealer trascapoulos jtrascap size wear 
specs organization worcester polytechnic institute lines nntp posting host bigwpi article fischer writes patrickd lazer writes greatly mail fine stuff deleted library floor professor posted iee spec sheet pages long library info request matter finding hope helps bret chase internet bchase macintosh bellnet smile kill snailnet institute worcester 
iicx turn nntp posting host lines changed battery thing shortly problem happened noticed inordinate number errors pilon pilon 
summary zyxel strings keywords zterm firstclass telefinder strings lines nntp posting host sdcc ucsd write recently zyxel modem great problems figuring strings applications basically strings term firstclass client telefinder client able firstclass term working modem settings firstclass copying term problems term list error time dialing starting problem cancel works fine telefinder worse wake modem zyxel programs greatly sending setup strings advance yoshio ucla writes zterm initially init string rsmith tufts smith writes firstclass telefinder zterm zyxel close weeks zterm hardware handshaking rate typed line sets modem ignore line hardware handshaking hardware handshaking cables stores setting volatile memory modem default modem starts modem preferences dialog modem initialization string insures stored setting starting zterm software macwoof change settings ways alternatively leave factory default zterm initialization string accomplish thing modem start zterm programs modify settings work programs modify modem settings forget turn modem launching zterm assured correct handling modem powered comparing strings commands reference guide entered initialize modem preferences zterm quick summary command reset modem user profile speaker volume fairly quiet ring volume fairly quiet display connect info setting manual assume computer dial speed fast zyxel handle firstclass string addition command setup disables auto answer function modem firstclass based modem setting supra changed mentioned string telefinder based setting zoom setting changed modem initialization string firstclass work fine long summary forward info reports directory sumex save newbie zyxel users trouble setting strings save redundant messages feel free marcus mlobbia marcus lobbia mlobbia ucsd 
simms mail order nntp posting host lines ordered vram chip lcii connection overnight nice installed found work properly computer thousands mode bottom screen chip flickering fuzzy called return question thing happen simm chips general find ordering chips large portion rarity chip ordered experience area curious type experience email people post summary hillel sims simsh rensselaer polytechnic institute rotated forward backward anonymous 
routing localtalk ethernet organization university michigan consulting support services lines nntp posting host stimpy umich story network macs localtalk ethernet card connected laugh price iisi connected internet slip running baud modem telnet ethernet telnet rest world sort hardware route telnet sessions localtalk macs ethernet heard trick software solutions good impression interest able telnet slip connection assign numbers machines shares number advance benjamin chuang consultant university michigan benjamin chuang umich consulting referals bchuang umich unix long messages 
boot power organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply jerry nntp posting host external hard drive startup disk problem switch boots internal restart warm boot boots external make boot directly external email replies advance jerry 
simm nubus board organization express access online communications greenbelt maryland lines distribution world nntp posting host access digex summary make talking keywords simm nubus board ramdisk remember running back user world years nubus board umpteen simm slots recycle simms upgraded memory remember made board advertised latest magazines mentioned included software make simms board disk simms hates waste sounds majorly good idea board company talking business longer made greatly appreciated mail save bandwidth internet cptnerd cptnerd compuserve consilio manuque otium dignitate credo quia absurdum parturient montes nascetur ridiculus 
iisi cache options organization stanford university distribution lines readers found cache upgrade options iisi include quicksilver daystar fastcache iisi daystar combocache iisi logicache iisi cache interested hearing opinions options alternative upgrade accelerator logicache ideas comparisions felix feilimau stanford 
iivx upgrade question distribution comp organization univ rochester college engineering applied science lines article jeff sullivan writes iivx upgrade include sticker cover iivx identifier centris indetifier iivx upgrade wondered thing ordered upgrade turns upgrade entire minus disk drives pull floppy hard drives stick iivx thing people unhappy apple sells macs packaged drives price higher trade brian cherkaue rochester 
color inks stylewriter organization quake public access sylmar lines makes refills stylewriter deskwriter cartridges colors filled cartridges color cartridge chance print color inks process colors cyan magenta yellow refill cartridges advance 
apple give confusing message nntp posting host student organization university minnesota lines apple ambiguous message price lists message optional discussed newsgroup built configuration unclear issue price list planning pretty confused optional built understand game thian 
sony problems info xxmessage xxdate nntp posting host meridian demon organization sound impressions useragent nuntius lines sony nice mode picture side bottom suspect internal adjustment problem brightness areas meant black main raster black real raster visible screen blanked severe good trini screens turn brightness contrast raster visible real image virtually disappears raster size rasterops card marcus bointon marcus demon marcus bointon marcus demon windows week feel 
modem nntp posting host student organization university minnesota lines article mbuntan writes responded request info kinds modem questions advantages buying global village teleport gold cheaper brands supra zoom heard supra zoom software complaints incompatibility problems supra kind incompatibility decided teleport gold possibility voice option future heard voice option supra offer coming summer person mention modem good reviews magazines fastest economically sound voice option modem posting questions promise repost answers posted responder advance thian repost message time hope hear folks topic reply thian 
centris video problem organization sophomore mechanical engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines distribution comp nntp posting host andrew reply push pushpinder singh subject centris video problem date computer colors operations vertical scrolling window horizontal white lines monitor generally spare open windows lines accummulate operation continued window moved involved area screen moved line disappear area screen problem observed monitor configured colors inch apple monitor colors suspect video chip problem apparent worse problem fine switch colors smaller monitor configuration model centris vram cards monitor monitor adaptor resolution discovered problem plugging monitor scrolling window alpha word enter guess vrams hope design flaw apple listening pushpinder singh push finding init called basic color monitor clear probs centris type monitors exists binhexed copy installing problem sony 
compare organization fidonet node forest hills lines powerpc pentium resent article macmags accelerator slightly slower accel system designed stands reason system designed quadra figure lines powerpc stuff supposed system level fast quadra system times speed powerpc based systems wait laps pentium life women michael ameres internet michael ameres fidonet 
installing simms quick organization case school engineering lines distribution world nntp posting host student cwru useragent nuntius xxmessage xxdate send instructions installing simms vram cwru drop extra simms vram reply reply cwru 
upgrading memory organization alamos national laboratory distribution lines article bill ucar bill roberts wrote original powerbook find drag work maximum unit cost hoping latest info real users posting group bill soldered logic board expansion slot giving thing upgrade maximum remove expansion install expansion giving total calling techworks memory vendors macweek macworld peter haase internet haase lanl network manager alamos national laboratory 
computer engr computer science organization department stanford university california distribution lines professor mine difference computer engineer computer scientist meaning engineer makes main difference people write programs people database graphics word processors engineer writes machines control systems computer flight control system computer controled devices words writes software writes firmware generalizations part difference joke scott part bunch bunk computer engineering degree spent years writing software people salary distinctions incorrect received offers graduation jobs hardware experience year lower advice decide classes projects interest pick major 
centris video problem organization simon fraser university burnaby canada distribution comp lines suffer video artefacts configuration centris vram colour virtual memory scrolling occurs vram simms installed removed problems mentioned conditions gersham meharg canada gersham meharg meharg vancouver canada 
high resolution nntp posting host elvex acns organization northwestern university lines article clark brian clark wrote instrutech boards plan check careful checking monotonicity ratio boards boards terms monotonicity ratio accuracy dyynamic range freedom distortion expect good true converter true spectral innovations boards boorishly reply found instrutech information specs term loosely converter accuracy accuracy specs monotonicity linearity multiplexed inputs sharing single inputs samples time conversion specs channel sample rate channels unknown quality bits channel poorer quality national instruments sample rate converter specs monotonicity linearity output channels converter price external converter nubus interface board driver software igor steep 
wrong organization massachusetts institute technology lines distribution world nntp posting host thobbes posts back mentioned crash wrong kind refreshing crashes sleep wondering software kind installed thought problem battery connection advance archon fung 
share monitor cpus organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host cwru centris machine save space desk monitor switch 
centris video problem organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host cwru push pushpinder singh subject centris video problem date computer colors operations vertical scrolling window horizontal white lines monitor generally spare open windows lines accummulate operation continued window moved involved area screen moved line disappear area screen problem observed monitor configured colors inch apple monitor colors suspect video chip problem apparent worse problems configurations eliminate design flaw explanation 
compare organization university michigan engineering arbor lines distribution world nntp posting host leghorn engin umich article michael ameres fidonet michael ameres writes powerpc pentium kind comparison pretty useless general processor good good computer designed computer designed purpose comparing processor speed pretty dumb increase clock speed increase speed things faster giving operational conditions running program transidental functions knowing transidental functions building faster hope people decided wether computers good solely processor fast processor based alway things processor speed restrict arguements pure processor architectural issues processor work based design discussions chung yang resent article macmags accelerator slightly slower accel system designed stands reason system designed quadra figure lines powerpc stuff supposed system level fast quadra system times speed powerpc based systems wait laps pentium life women michael ameres internet michael ameres fidonet 
compare distribution organization university illinois urbana lines uucp dave kitabjian writes intel motorola competing neck neck crunch power clock speed rank good idea compare processor power make sense real world applications totally lines processors list pentium powerpc clock speed doubling clock speed double processor speed fill systems doubling clock speed increases performance hearing explanations experienced folks folks trouble replying reply command typing address hand work dave kitabjian jyin vital statistics stuff deleted ravikumar venkateswar rvenkate blessed form whit 
compare organization university illinois urbana lines michael ameres fidonet michael ameres writes powerpc pentium pentium specint specfp specint specfp note specint important real world applications specint specfp resent article macmags accelerator slightly slower accel system designed stands reason system designed quadra figure lines powerpc stuff supposed system level fast quadra system times speed powerpc based systems wait laps pentium intel chips traditionally faster motorola equivalents significance chip speed real world application performance highly debatable life women michael ameres internet michael ameres fidonet ravikumar venkateswar rvenkate blessed form whit 
compare distribution organization university illinois urbana lines fischer writes uucp dave kitabjian writes intel motorola competing neck neck crunch power clock speed rank numbers kind benchmark start specint specfp list pentium powerpc fastest pentium versions powerpc vicinity numbers pentium specint specfp powerpc specint specfp note alpha specint specfp comparison clock speed doubling clock speed double processor speed fill computer speed partly dependent processor clock speed memory system speed play large role video system speed speed processor clock rates speed memory system greatest factor system speed processor reading word memory memory computer cost times slower simms clock doubled system doubling performance significant increase performance wait state performance cache processor runs speed simms note memory speed corresponds clock speed roughly fast clock speed numbers fischer convictions dangerous enemies truth lies friedrich nietzsche ravikumar venkateswar rvenkate blessed form whit 
computer engr computer science organization university michigan engineering arbor lines distribution nntp posting host arno engin umich article tecot stanford edward tecot writes professor mine difference computer engineer computer scientist meaning engineer makes joke scott part bunch bunk computer engineering degree spent years writing software people salary distinctions incorrect received offers graduation jobs hardware experience year lower advice decide classes projects interest pick major worth advice grad student agree gentlemen wrote comment important thing pick interest learn years education field compare alot people kind question make decision electrical engineering opposed computer engineering school kind question irrelevant choosing hardware choosing hardware program injustice building computer making interwoven inseparable part great discipline depend advice limit make decision based major give opportunities learn depends curriculum persective school choose major explore school make student choose major sophamore year interested field decided learn making computers case suffer grad school money averages good earn money superstar programmer earn millions wise hotshot computer designers chung yang 
quadra memory install organization university washington lines nntp posting host carson washington summary instructions quadra memory installation keywords memory quadra install turning violate quadra warranty install memory insert usual disclaimer remove machine floppy disk hard drive mounted plastic tower follow usual anti static precautions make machine unplug wall monitor power supply cords back remove power supply pulling plastic interlocking tower forward simultaneously pulling power supply straight piece plastic left posterior aspect tower extends downward hook power supply feel horseshoe shaped piece portion power supply leave plastic tower release rear tower assembly flat ribbon scsi connector hard drive power cable flat ribbon cable leading floppy drive disconnect motherboard hard drive power cable connector squeezed release unplug drive activity clear plastic mount posterior cylindrical section plastic tower phillips head screw base remove taking care drop case gummy glue screwdriver helpful remove tower assembly pulling medially plastic side tower prevents tower sliding posteriorly slide entire tower assembly posteriorly lift tower assembly straight case congratulations gained access machine simm slots slots vram install gain video modes simms vram installed chips facing front motherboard smaller sockets front simms install simms sets sockets seat simms squarely firmly fully upright position reinstall tower assembly placing wall tower wall case tower assembly posterior intended position lower tower assembly place maintaining contact wall case fully slide tower assembly anteriorly clicks place reconnect motherboard ends cables dont forget floppy drive cable replace phillips head screw drop power supply straight place clicks plug hard drive activity light back clear plastic mount 
problems nntp posting host extro organization sydney university computing service sydney australia lines bcherkas brian cherkas writes chess ucsc brian vantuyl chess writes difficulties machine plugged wall adapter sleep unplugged wall woken crashes time original system software machine battery plenty life power manager problem speaker occasionally makes high pitched hiss noise irregular favor sleep restart commands weeks suffer problems reinstalled system software effort combat problems thinking system software problems initially reinstalling system anymore occasionally wake solid screen horizontal lines screen freezes high pitched hiss occasionally startup called apple hotline appl times finally agreed astray screen hard drive spun itselft sleep problem occured apple ship looked york problem intermittent afford time problems brian cherkas bcherkas brianc compuserve netcom online communication services jose number people discussions included bought machine couple weeks started experience problems apple australia dealer problem number potential faulty applications faulty party hardware modems memory system software pram corruption power manager corruption hardware relevant case applications running system software installed additional hardware found clearing pram appears hold command option startup problem returns suggesting pram corrupted system software issue inits system apparently power manager reset holding reset interrupt buttons powering apple advice interrupt button case decipher apple advice apple suggest follow technical procedures check hardware problem system software introduced line recently recent purchasers problem comments boat apple engineers cheers brucet bruce tulloch sydney australia brucet complex problems straight forward easy understand wrong answers 
pixel disappear powerbook screen organization michigan state university lines nntp posting host pssun keywords powerbook pixel screen pixels display disappear intermittently place random suggestions mailings aris beware nn nn 
compare organization royal institute technology stockholm sweden lines nntp posting host hemul nada rvenkate uiuc ravikuma venkateswar writes pentium specint specfp specint specfp interesting comparision fast clock cycle chips alpha slow blazes specint specfp version making comparable intel chips traditionally faster motorola equivalents significance chip speed real world application performance highly debatable turned faster clock cycles power cycle mention intel instruction stream byte oriented longest intel instruction bytes number makes hard intelligent memory subsystem cheers hacker deluxe article printed recycled electrons 
ttn owners lines nntp posting host summary buzzing keywords buzz careful plug external monitor external speaker make power cords strip chance audio buzz caused ground loop loud buzz make common ground make power cords strip outlet assure common ground keanini sound designer broderbund software 
increasing number serial ports reply slang steven langlois organization bell northern research lines devices increase number serial ports simultaneously connect serial devices application working able access independently device exists limits number serial devices information appreciated steven langlois slang 
sound recording portable reply carleton david hughes organization national capital freenet lines hardware required find sound recording portable david hughes carleton secretary national capital freenet 
sante hangs scsi devices reply behr ilstu eric behr organization central illinois surfing club lines hooked iisi year asante adapter base connection works charm installed newest drivers asante server problem begins attach device scsi chain specifically drive power drive tests memory happy face shows power light boot process stops network external drive makes asante pretty unusable purely electrical scsi problem turn drive late noticed initial scsi polling boots adapter works hard disk powered connected failed boot internal drive year changing scsi disk permutations changing order devices head tail chain overterminating external terminator devices internal underterminating removing internal resistors hard disk identical drive scsi cables importantly solution eric behr illinois state university mathematics department behr ilstu behr bitnet avoid 
increasing number serial ports organization control data systems lines slang steven langlois writes devices increase number serial ports simultaneously connect serial devices application working able access independently applied engineering makes nubus card called quadralink board serial ports simultaneously user installed couple people work technician hope helps aaron swiers control data corporation arden hills swiers aqeng electrical engineering student swiers nodak 
educational pricing gray market organization fidonet node association grand blanc lines apple authorise sales mail order result mail order companies obtain machines grey market market supplied machines authorised resellers machines sell state affairs overordering accidentally deliberatly wholsale price apple case obscure serial nunber protect identity result warranty void ordered macs mail order companies absolutely problem find true gray market dealers sell macs authentic serial numbers untouched added dealers flame legitimate replace serial number prevent apple tracing authorized dealer sold machine eric choi internet eric choi fidonet 
simms mail order organization inst thermodynamik waermetechnik stuttgart lines nntp posting host itwds energietechnik stuttgart glimpse side talking technician place recently bought told stopped shipping simms customers install babies zapped easily static electricity claim singen alte entsagungslied eiapopeia himmel womit beruhigt wenn greint volk grossen luemmel neues lied besseres lied freunde euch dichten wollen hier erden schon himmelreich errichten heine 
compare organization inst thermodynamik waermetechnik stuttgart lines distribution nntp posting host itwds energietechnik stuttgart article rvenkate uiuc ravikuma venkateswar writes stuff deleted wait state performance cache processor runs speed simms note memory speed corresponds clock speed stuff deleted calculate figure assume personal computers board designers bank switching optimistically quadruple access speed missing singen alte entsagungslied eiapopeia himmel womit beruhigt wenn greint volk grossen luemmel neues lied besseres lied freunde euch dichten wollen hier erden schon himmelreich errichten heine 
macs suck nntp posting host molbio organization university minnesota newsreader lines tests suck post real message 
problems drives machines organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet charles williams nntp posting host hela cwru subject line system acts weird times sudden system corrupt boot blocks chewed problem format drive properly installed driver things reinstall system incompatibility exist quantum external drive pure hardware solution virus software scsi cable screwey drive chuck chuck williams intern pacific northwest laboratories freenet williams 
compare distribution organization university illinois urbana lines skok energietechnik stuttgart holger skok writes article rvenkate uiuc ravikuma venkateswar writes stuff deleted wait state performance cache processor runs speed simms note memory speed corresponds clock speed stuff deleted calculate figure assume personal computers board designers bank switching optimistically quadruple access speed missing previous article referred fact simms machine simms slower machines pointed simms machine simms faster machine bank switching caches considered memory access ravikumar venkateswar rvenkate blessed form whit 
apple give confusing message article shelley fjinn organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host carson washington article bunt monthian buntan writes apple ambiguous message price lists message optional discussed newsgroup built configuration unclear issue price list planning pretty confused optional built understand game thian centris configuration processor built math coprocessor support understanding optional refers option purchasing centris configurations apple offer upgrade system system unclear processor system replaced supplied vendor apple send memo point sating centris processor upgraded support configurations chips apparently match swap apple memo hope helps kevin lohman university book store university washington buyer apple computers education program 
phonenet midi adapt macrecorder nntp posting host organization helsinki university technology finland distribution comp lines remember complete instructions making phonenet adapters midi adapters macrecorder lookalike short search archive info failed pointers petri aukia supreme court ruling bolo illegal drug peba computer programmer steals minds youths tank game telephone standards rethought addictive computer game 
ghost apple color user insane organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host carson washington article betts jonathan betts writes dear netters sister apple color display hooked problem annoying horizontal ghost stripe precesses vertically high grave danger insane ideas cure betts betts pick display thought worse caused things easiest interference monitor monitor electrical device moving system location problem scan rate monitor synchronize room lights interference turning lights room system helps moving system solution apple color display problem color suceptible calling apple support number apple number questions macintosh setup compatibility effect extended support monday april good luck kevin lohman buyer university book store university washington seattle apple computers education program 
increasing number serial ports organization royal institute technology stockholm sweden lines nntp posting host hemul nada slang steven langlois writes device exists limits number serial devices nubus slots applied engineering called quadralink card serial ports comms toolbox addition built software fooling applications open port open built port expensive card performance card handles ports simultaneously nubus green learn comms resource manager installed cards cheers hacker deluxe hide menu change color color background hide menu 
nanao compatible video cards summary monitor drive keywords monitor video macintosh organization programmers lines nanao compatible popular video cards oppurtunity brand cheap tempted waste time drive standard video card subject reccomendations color monitor heard good things reliable macintosh display experiences david harr cyberpunk software definition happiness famous financial ability indulge form excess calvin 
reseting factory defaults robert grapes organization massey university xxdate useragent nuntius lines article jurgen botz jbotz writes laserwriter disappeared completely network show zone print serial interface discussion changing zone including code lets change zone code back factory default settings feeling needed heal postscript works laserwriter version roms serverdict begin exitserver setsystemparams systemdict begin realtime realtime exit loop quit 
apple give confusing message organization university british columbia lines nntp posting host swiss bunt monthian buntan writes apple ambiguous message price lists message optional discussed newsgroup built configuration unclear issue price list reason simple marketing people brochures price lists clear issue afterall apple literature correct funny noticed recently brochures macs capability refer auto inkjet feature read auto inject feature correct brochures apple correct older brochures guess edited copy inject thought typo changed familiar word inkjet hmm printer built player writing information 
video display organization netcom online communications services login guest lines monitor displays vertical lines means display memory wrong monitor video card checked monitor works fine checked video card fine replaced rams give answer assume wrong part motherboard hardware architecture macintosh problem iicx advance kuan netcom kuan yihpyng born taichung taiwan work phone company failure analysis associates commonwealth drive menlo park philosophy 
stereo sound problem games organization diego chemistry lines distribution world reply ucsd doug book nntp posting host sdchemw ucsd keywords sound stereo quadra powerbook problem stereo sound output quadra totally roomate problem powerbook info experience anyopne greatly appreciated hook quadra home stereo system types sounds mono play fine speakers system beeps provided indigo record armor alley spectre spaceward games play left channel lemmings world awesome game glider oids stereo system beeps play stereo speakers specifically referring apocolyptic beginning roommate downloaded site sumex symptoms rommates ootw color running system lemmings games mentioned sound speakers class quadra powerbook greater centris stereo machine sort rememeber lemmings playing stereo machine left channel mistaken problem quad wondering system beeps play stereo problem machines games apparantly written support channel stereo mono sounds mono sound speakers spectre quadra powerbook roms knowledge problem system patch problem provide doug book ucsd 
screen death originator kelleyb austin reply kelleyb organization austin powerpc lines problem screens blank minor physical jolt inserting floppy internal drive computer left blank replaced wires connecting logic boards video board jiggling wires made screen back worked blanking returned power supply computer problem long time resoldering joints motherboard fixed turns continuous heating cooling caused annular ring shaped cracks develop solder effectively cutting video circuitry solder jockey mine electrical engineer buddy minute tops kelley thomas kelley boylan powerpc austin kelleyb opinions 
wrong organization berkeley lines distribution world nntp posting host gammow berkeley macweek article describing situation permission hope jose brings duos random access memory boards apple macintosh powerbook duos macweek copyright coastal associates publishing raines cohen austin texas party memory expansion cards powerbook duos depart apple specs ways crashes data loss problems technology works network vendor based week issued warning problems found products competing vendors declined identify vendors apple spokeswoman confirmed problems exist refresh duos require kind dynamic called selfrefreshing recharge system sleeps technology works vendors sold cards nonselfrefreshing dram system lose data fail wake sleep leading memory manufacturers include letter part number stamped refreshing chips nonself refreshing chips techworks chip label story newer technology wichita nonself refreshing chips adds circuitry refreshed sleeps speed card vendors nanosecond dram cards nanosecond type requires technology works chips labeled nanosecond certified manufacturer higher speed kingston technology corp fountain valley calif offers cards nanosecond chips compatible slower chips space technology works charged apple officials confirmed party cards large properly forcing corner keyboard preventing system starting dock lifetime memory products huntington beach calif originally shipped cards problem offered customers free upgrades cards 
stereo sound problem games keywords sound stereo quadra powerbook organization royal institute technology stockholm sweden lines nntp posting host hemul nada ucsd doug book writes games play left channel stereo system beeps play stereo speakers sound hardware diverse macs play stereo output instance play stereo left channel speaker mono developers stuff played left channel guaranteed heard channel send data send data left channel preferrable cheers hacker deluxe engineering work science work management work liberal arts fries jesse schell 
slowdown problems nntp posting host rocza organization electronic frontier foundation lines system network admin users specifications slowdown problems leaving hours slow unacceptably seconds change applications time completely hung reboots problem system wedged configuration installed system rebuilt desktop helped network related eudora checks email minutes ethernet checked problem occurs undocked docked time apple inits start yanking rest problem zapping pram advised ideas love hear call apple found call week sunday evening powerbook card tech works replace refreshing card system enabler express modem including latest software apple dealer keyboard replacement helen trillian rose kapor enterprises email info electronic frontier foundation flames systems networks administration women messed 
syquest organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host thor cwru creative cable splicing hook syquest removable drive difference guts drive cable differences sprecher cwru 
apple mini docks nntp posting host bolero reply jonathan epri organization electric power research institute newsreader version lines deguzman deguzman math uiuc wrote boss purchase powerbook leaning math coprocessor mathematica find mini dock coprocessor parties announced beast machines produce nature jonathan heiliger electric power research institute visualization integrator hillview internet jonathan epri palo alto telephone 
keywords roms grayscale select organization netcom line communication services guest lines bought select rushed home print grayscale pictures kids discovered grayscale photograde running printer docs apple mention users group roms support features guess case buyer beware apple thinking problem puzzled defencieny made software write software living unix platforms understand responses asked mode somesuch piece soft ware hoping knowledgeable internals straight simply impossible print grayscale armed info gramming experience cook supplement capabilities support grayscale photograde select supposedly capable short buying printer bill wright 
apple give confusing message organization case school engineering lines distribution world nntp posting host student cwru useragent nuntius xxmessage xxdate article ferch ferch writes afterall apple literature correct funny noticed recently brochures macs capability refer auto inkjet feature read auto inject feature correct brochures apple correct older brochures guess edited copy inject thought typo changed familiar word inkjet hmm printer built player writing information cool images serface gotta surface artwork 
driver compatibility organization portal system distribution world lines understanding format magneto optical disc formatting software installs driver disc insert disc drive driver loaded computer memory controls drive driver incompatible drive disc mounted properly read written correct frazier 
organization dalhousie university halifax nova scotia canada lines article william wright writes hoping knowledgeable internals straight simply impossible print grayscale armed info gramming experience cook supplement capabilities support grayscale photograde select supposedly capable short buying printer bill wright grayscale features equipped colour quickdraw told mentioned apple facts guide apple sellers press release technical specs sean 
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nubus nubus capable organization stanford university lines distribution nntp posting host morrow stanford article higgins fnal bill higgins beam jockey writes article hades dartmouth brian hughes writes mmiller msen marvin miller writes friend recently purchased demon called nubus adapter slot family macs cards able nubus technically macslinger difference nubus impossible make gadget plugs ends nubus card cage marvin friend able locate fundamental reason bill higgins fermi national accelerator laboratory bitnet higgins bitnet internet higgins fnal span hepnet higgins wave makes nubus card cages work slots macs iisi centris knowledge announced device lcii make technologically card cage simply nubus controller circuitry present nubus macs care adapter lcii lcii nubus people applications granted nubus cards applications require nubus card full motion video capture lcii lcii mark 
organization wyvern lines seanmcd writes article william wright writes hoping knowledgeable internals straight simply impossible print grayscale armed info gramming experience cook supplement capabilities grayscale features equipped colour quickdraw told mentioned apple facts guide apple sellers press release technical specs sean find print grayscale images loaded proper software display grayscale screen attached video ability able print grayscale hard time grayscale image print doug signature construction wyvern technologies tidewater premier online information system login guest password guest register 
serial port problem nntp posting host harris reply jcox harris jamie organization harris govt aerospace systems division keywords serial port powerbook lines article writes friend asked build cable connect fetal heart monitor maciontosh problem wanted demo work running zterm kermit internal external modems powerbook send responds test serial ports works thought connected earth ground connected chassis audio ground connector thoughts battery powered devices powerbook sensitive serial port weirdness trouble connecting handheld worked port runs penlite batteries turned accident design flaw putting volt bias serial port weird things worked fine connected printer port screen connected device printer port good luck jamie jamie jcox harris phone work harris space systems corp home rock barnes blvd macintosh meeting drinking society rockledge florida speaking 
powerpc ruminations lcii powerpc organization stanford university lines distribution nntp posting host morrow stanford article seanmcd writes article andrem pyramid andre molyneux writes article mirsky david joshua mirsky writes lcii recently heard interesting rumor heard lcii built slot powerpc chip true heard slot slot true david mirsky mirsky popping revealed socket additional vram simm socket simm socket flat pack processor direct slot identical additional connetions side full data path lacked guess board powerpc chip made place nubus powerpc upgrade require logic board swap interesting apple nubus powerpc allowed rocketshare guess fantastic wondering macweek reported developers seeded powerpcs nubus card word machine arrivals estimated speed heard estimates times speed quadra native risc mode heard apple employee mumble arrival powerpc machines earlier date doubt true finally powerpc developer mini advertised developer university calendar interesting sean seanmcd radius speculated publicly provide powerpc based rocket existing macs rocketshare minus nubus accelerators true boot accelerator nubus bottleneck video apple compete parties macs cyclone powerpc slot advertised daystar make powerpc accelerators potential problem accelerator companion apple licensed radius rocketshare proprietary code apple lines powerpc macs simplified logic boards magical nature risc boards cheaper build existing macs groundbreaking prices logic board upgrades cheaper high performance cpus year generation powerpcs socketed cpus chip upgradeable year pulled clock doublers technical baggage doubt external busses size width daughterboard powerbook standard facilitate upgrades area apple fallen behing intel based world catchup order week week excellent story powerpc pentium mips alpha microprocessor front forseeable future worth reading technojunkies latest cover story pentium read stories intel unstoppable preeminent secure fall intel market position dominant today ahead sell week appears competition fronts gearing awesome battle apple users excited powerpc guaranteed dominance guaranteed winner mark 
networking reply steed bell omahug organization macrocosm lawrence lines peter easier work macs networked appletalk phonenet connectors chat program called broadcast send messages selected machines network hope helps steed 
graphics card xxdate nntp posting host organization calvin college useragent nuntius lines article matt madsen mmadsen writes graphics cards accelerator plenty accelerator graphics cards daystar powercache replaces accelerated powercache leavese slot open video card currenty daystar configuration early year upgrade policy accelerator version credit running version radius precision color pivot satisfied earl fife department mathematics fife calvin college grand rapids 
ccelerator classic nntp posting host freenet victoria organization camosun college victoria canada lines exist makes 
syquest organization panix public access unix lines cwru robert sprecher writes creative cable splicing hook syquest removable drive difference guts drive cable differences difference drive main differences formatting disk correct software read cable depends scsi board softawre mounting formatted disk correct cable able mount read syquest good luck paul paul hardwick technical consulting internet hardwick voice party addons pending paul hardwick technical consulting internet hardwick voice party addons pending 
video resolution switching organization aeronautical research laboratory dsto lines distribution world nntp posting host dsto useragent nuntius xxmessage xxdate article john shepardson john shepardson slac stanford writes author graphics card resolution connected monitor support silly cables cable identifies monitor supporting resolution software support multisync monitor heard radius similar program quadra software commercially public domain cameron lewis email lewis dsto operations division melb aeronautical research laboratory lorimer fishermens bend australia 
portable powerbook answers organization macinteresteds nashville lines post information portable powerbook couple answers portable support appletalk portable power version running portable system memory memory availabe portable vendors make portable options vendors sell memory plugs slot inside portable sell memory plugs processor direct slot memory address megabytes depending portable backlit king memory peripherials irvine california cheapest place portable memory macuser selling modules wide variety pricing internal conner average access time screen heavens backlit passive matrix screen means fades move head degrees left portable backlit backlit active matrix screen read things portable good supplier selectterm mass sell backlit portable internal modem backlit portable internal modem answer call good internal modem portable sell good luck gene wright gene raider gene wright theporch raider macinteresteds nashville 
monitor recommendation needed summary larger organization multimedia software technology group lines finally decided update planning buying centris monitor guidelines wife pagemaker occasionally excel alot telecommuting home work word processing greater inches looked radius color pivot bought heard good things machines older model super garry 
size vram simm nntp posting host lines recently posted received vram chip lcii responded vram chip work properly computer wondering interpret codes figure type chip macconnection chip back card numbers means chip figure size supposed grateful email response hillel sims simsh rensselaer polytechnic institute rotated forward backward anonymous 
ghost apple color user insane organization netcom online communications services login guest lines dear netters sister apple color display hooked problem annoying horizontal ghost stripe precesses vertically high grave danger insane ideas cure betts betts pick display thought worse 
networking organization royal institute technology stockholm sweden lines nntp posting host hemul nada steed bell omahug steed bell writes networked appletalk phonenet connectors chat program called broadcast send messages selected machines network system application zing footprint meaning running time losing memory compatible chat program fishbomb sounds pictures freeware dustribute zing source normal services archive umich instance cheers hacker deluxe signature shorter lines interests usenet ratio 
simm prices organization natural environment research council lines give current street prices relevant taxes simm simm refunds exported recommend reliable supplier posting friend account reply direct fraser advance simon 
quadra scsi problems xxdate nntp posting host fenk organization wageningen agricultural university useragent nuntius lines info exabyte tapedrive working quadra september replaced cabling inits industry experts phoned tapedrive dealer apple dealer software dealer fault thing needed special quadra scsi terminator katinka linden 
apple give confusing message organization university illinois dept comp urbana lines ferch ferch writes bunt monthian buntan writes apple ambiguous message price lists message optional discussed newsgroup built configuration unclear issue price list reason simple marketing people brochures price lists clear issue marketing people terry 
changing port buffer size zterm reply petrack disclaimer posting views news software usenet lines kind soul told change serial port buffer size zterm resedit change resedit lost mail address assume relevant resource zset template resource tmpl correct resource grateful receive play serial port appletalk port stats maximum buffer bytes means increasing buffer hardware handshaking cram text data pretty fast monitor lowered buffer bytes makes sense scott petrack petrack vnet 
setwutime organization world public access unix brookline lines trouble sleep make make wake setwutime aware error header files setting time minutes putting sleep wakeup appointed time require call systemtask order make setup andrew page warrior poet decision effort archer arrow consultant difference macintosh technology 
serial line connection reply petrack disclaimer posting views news software usenet lines null modem connection mackermit versaterm side procomm kermit softerm side hardware handshaking hardware ahdshaking cables hands shaking effort allowed file transfers general type back trouble sides speeds baud send files file transfers straight ascii send send flawlessly send binhex files fast transmission error free straight ascii full errors text pacing slow human typing times faster human typing hear able transfer files modem null modem exact combination hardware software talking true serial port modem express modem kind soul access modem check opinion work high speeds power interrupts work speeds crazy reason understand hear attesting pump information serial port fast modem dump absolutely insane wanna problem duos checked cable times type back zterm alerts users hardware handshaking hardware handshaking working zterm port stats buffer overflows figure scott petrack petrack vnet 
quadra scsi problems keywords quadra scsi organization laboratory computer science lines article johnston udel bill johnston writes article nodine mark nodine writes specific problem mentioned message scsi problems venerable jasmine megadrive cartridge drives solution silverlining loops involved blind writes worked drives fact loop worked macintosh software loop means doubt quadra specific problem venerable bernoulli year cartridges purchased make thing worth computer tech support ocean microsystems suggested party drivers problem case cartridges format mount partition megadrives worked perfectly powerbook reason assumed problem quadra quadra worked problem occurred ejected cartridge drive start popping dialog boxes cartridge formatted jasmine driveware cartridge drive mark 
token ring cards macs nntp posting host mutsu organization research corp distribution lines recommendations experiences bringing macintosh cpus token ring nets point direction information advance 
photo shop scanner organization florida state university lines article root operator writes root operator subject photo shop scanner date macc iici color scanner scanned picture print color printer minutes making noise hangs reboot memory disk free scanned picture captain printing data file tiff application freehand pagemaker found photoshop occasional problems printing files print applications greg gcohen infinite illusions juggling supplies beware fnord torch call write catalog 
position keyboard originator probulf informatik muenchen organization technische universitaet muenchen germany lines article viralbus thomas martin widmann writes pictures ergonomic keyboard left part split learned typing school years taught write hand difference danish american typing advance germany left hand frankie frank probul emanuelstr munich germany applelink probul apple internet probulf muenchen munich university technology department computer science germany 
iicx turn organization lines distribution world nntp posting host article pilon pilon wrote iicx turn keyboard switch back machine work turn unplug machine minutes plug back power switch back immediately work long time problem users experiencing adventurous usenet reader remember post deserves credit saving easily fixed problem figure time heat repeated warmup cool downs power supply solder joints power supply circuit card desolder tool radio shack wattage iron good nonacid solder resolder lower left quadrant circuit card plugs facing minutes saved supply 
questions centris reply hades organization dartmouth college hanover disclaimer personally care speak moderator arts comics info lines petere mitre peter engels writes times postings dale adams apple computer require simms centris requires simms correct quadra centris hades 
changing port buffer size zterm nntp posting host organization math stats dalhousie university halifax canada lines petrack writes kind soul told change serial port buffer size zterm resedit change resedit lost mail address assume relevant resource zset chop post kevin hayes opinions necessarily dalhousie university reflect opinions halifax nova scotia canada hayes 
card questions organization howtek reply rick rick mailer uaccess macintosh release lines buying offload internal video iici color capability monitor deal varying amounts bits depths supported cards accelerated true modern accelerated video cards general faster depths accelerated heard applications slower card write directly screen frequent problem slower read system card incompatible corrected finder patch init compatible apps incompatible games important microsloth apps strong opinion position reasonable price input rick rick usenet rick america online disclaimer employer views orthogonal early bird worms 
increasing number serial ports organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host nasa article slang steven langlois wrote devices increase number serial ports simultaneously connect serial devices application working able access independently device exists limits number serial devices information appreciated steven langlois slang quadralink possibly problematical solution years personal system fatal crept recent shows heavy serial traffic completely crashes system macsbug reboot time restart button told january aware working fixing answered faxes status great mine sidelined baud infrequent problems sven 
quadras vram question reply hades organization dartmouth college hanover lines disclaimer personally care speak moderator arts comics info daniel salber writes question quadras vram find info precise answers hand quadra monitor capable color vram display millions colors monitor vram hand quadra monitor capable color vram correct amount board vram vram simms machines color capability vram simms technically vram simms leaving vram documentation quadra vram color correct correct putting vram simms vram simm slots motherboard bonus question vram simms hide documentation power supply power supply access vram simms power supply couple screws make disconnected watch static discharges 
cache card iisi nntp posting host gram organization imag institute university grenoble france newsreader lines cache card iisi spend cache socket dual slot adapter passe connector graphic card advice card performance increase expect performance increase cache worths price difference price card spare ethernet card work iisi socketed card empty socket work extra sham seif yaghib ibaa oueichek oueichek imag jamal majd kutub genie informatique kablak tareekh thulmaten imag inpg baadak staula shuhub felix viallet grenoble 
macs suck nntp posting host organization motorola mmtg oakhill austin texas lines article horton robert horton writes tests suck post real message erme maula testing size limits email account erme upenn missed 
centris video problem nntp posting host organization motorola mmtg oakhill austin texas lines article freenet david kantrowitz writes push pushpinder singh subject centris video problem date computer colors operations vertical scrolling window horizontal white lines monitor generally spare open windows lines accummulate operation continued window moved involved area screen moved line disappear area screen problem observed monitor configured colors inch apple monitor colors suspect video chip problem apparent worse problems configurations eliminate design flaw explanation data point centris apple monitor problems 
simm configuration reply hades organization dartmouth college hanover disclaimer personally care speak moderator arts comics info lines cwru robert sprecher writes understand current situation simms give shot iisi years memory faster simms simms simms simms today usable years newer powerful system newer powerful system answer apple stated macs simms longer simms hades 
apple give confusing message reply hades organization dartmouth college hanover disclaimer personally care speak moderator arts comics info lines washington university bookstore writes bunt monthian buntan writes apple ambiguous message price lists message optional discussed newsgroup built configuration unclear issue price list fault people write literature price lists confused processor configurations option planning pretty confused confusion base configuration configuration optional built good question wondering centris configuration processor built math coprocessor support understanding optional refers option purchasing centris configurations option supposed able request apple buyer choice configurations option apple offer upgrade system system unclear processor system replaced supplied vendor unclear fact apple included roms machines code recognize presence full making upgrade easy switching chips full apple send memo point sating centris processor upgraded support configurations chips apparently match swap apple memo double check stated countless times newsgroup centris hardware designers full compatible upgraded full hades 
centris math coprocessor option reply hades organization dartmouth college hanover disclaimer personally care speak distribution moderator arts comics info lines david anthony guevara portal writes read comp hardware purchasing couple centris configured systems ethernet vram math coprocessor option purchasing agent told math coprocessor option apple summary documentation prove ordered coprocessor option needed thought chip math coprocessor built apple math coprocessor chip architectured speed chip centris concerned hardware bottleneck apple confused people thing answering question year option choice cpus integrated full present base model appleusa full order base configuration ordered versions board ethernet models wanted able order board ethernet option note people thinking optional class chip recognize external socket motherboard chip purchase card machines replace full worry heat sink replace full heat sink hades 
routing localtalk ethernet organization nswc lines article bchuang umich chuang wrote story network macs localtalk ethernet card connected laugh price iisi connected internet slip running baud modem telnet ethernet telnet rest world sort hardware route telnet sessions localtalk macs ethernet heard trick software solutions good impression interest able telnet slip connection assign numbers machines shares number hardware router etherroute made compatable systems connect localtalk network macs ethernet network ethernet route protocol networks software routers money work paul 
full page screen organization junior social decision sciences carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew working project marketing class assignment product create marketing plan technical issues terribly important point group plan market full page monitor laptop computers party product installed authorized repair centers newer technology palettebook screen idea screen fold screen height normal screen remember technical issues fact adjusting fold screen monitor configuration regular full height screen monochrome motivation laptop computers popular business people business people commonly word processing spreadsheet applications convenient large portion document target users applications color screens neccessity cost write completely ridiculous constructive feedback reply email buying full page laptop screen helpful commentaries idea idea make money doubtful send advance mike 
built video problems iisi organization physics department university utrecht netherlands lines dear friends problem iisi machines installed simms contents window calculated updated strange horizontal lines temporarily generated screen lines translate screen slightly lower brightness surroundings millimeters admit vague distinguished environment rest room dark applications produce effect previewer directtex dvireader kaleidagraph machines built video drive apple hires monochrome screen monitors cable sets effect independent settings control panels memory adressing mode disk cache monitors greys colors effect solution fred fred walsteijn internet walsteyn institute marine atmospheric research utrecht university netherlands phone 
simms distribution organization california state university chico lines nntp posting host pigface ecst csuchico simm centris place purchase stock shipping warrenty phone numbers order steven hope intelligent life space monty python bugger earth meaning life steven medley email smedley ecst csuchico 
apple ship nntp posting host organization motorola austin texas lines cdrom drives local apple part number part number drive apple dealer suggested external drives extra case power supply rodney jacks rjacks 
quickdraw performance product line organization xetron corp lines company developed application emulates chart recorder virtual traces scroll smoothly screen tested application number computers discovered surprising performance differences products scroll performance iisi lcii iifx investigate color quickdraw performance apple line results fastest quickdraw color performing computer apple makes drumroll lcii color classic ranks quadra line centris line pales comparison differences computers explains disparity graphics processor performance dave steele daves xetron corp crescentville road cincinnati ohio 
cache card iisi nntp posting host zephyr organization university minnesota lines bought cache card techworks cheapest peter 
position keyboard organization royal institute technology stockholm sweden lines nntp posting host hemul nada probulf muenchen frank probul writes learned typing school years taught write hand difference danish american typing germany left hand sweden ergonomic keyboard great palm rests keyboard sort rests table keyboard knee cheers hacker deluxe hide menu change color color background hide menu 
built video problems iisi organization physics department university utrecht netherlands lines walsteyn fred walsteijn writes problem iisi machines installed simms contents window calculated updated strange horizontal lines temporarily generated screen lines translate screen slightly lower brightness surroundings millimeters admit vague distinguished environment rest room dark applications produce effect previewer directtex dvireader kaleidagraph program produces effect spyglass transform contouring array information problem fred walsteijn internet walsteyn institute marine atmospheric research utrecht university netherlands phone 
quadra scsi problems organization naval research laboratory lines article nodine mark nodine wrote article johnston udel bill johnston writes article nodine mark nodine writes specific problem mentioned message scsi problems venerable jasmine megadrive cartridge stuff deleted doubt quadra specific problem venerable bernoulli year stuff deleted problem case cartridges format mount partition megadrives worked perfectly powerbook reason assumed problem quadra quadra worked problem occurred ejected cartridge drive start popping dialog boxes cartridge formatted jasmine driveware cartridge drive mark problem mentioned quadra scsi problem heavily discussed year apple employee pointed byte error scsi driver routine quadra system problem people solution updated driver drive manufactor case mass microsystems wrote driver fixed problem quadra occured early year michael kluskens kluskens navy opinions expressed author employer 
nubus nubus capable article reed distribution organization reed college portland oregon lines article stanford mark rogowsky writes wave makes nubus card cages work slots macs iisi centris knowledge announced device lcii make technologically card cage simply nubus controller circuitry present nubus macs care adapter lcii lcii nubus people applications granted nubus cards applications require nubus card full motion video capture lcii lcii mark nubus robust system system installing multiple cards configuration problems checking expasion options number video cards work certian dual slot cache adapters erik speckman 
imagewriter organization california institute technology lines distribution world nntp posting host juliet caltech news software vnews back thread group iwii europe countries current consensus time iwii work moving summer called apple make told today iwii bought current long step converter employed current info turns found iwii manual version trust direct experience contrary wondering chris 
apple ship organization university houston lines reply ucsd nntp posting host franklin bchs article rjacks rodney jacks writes cdrom drives local apple part number part number drive apple dealer suggested external drives extra case power supply rodney jacks rjacks external shipping shipping awhile demand units high pretty rare listed local computer stores campus reseller heard rumors bundled couple confirm sunny sunnyt bchs 
ccelerating macplus lines ready bold step accelerating large collection stock macplus computers difficult comprehend accelerate macplus story suffuce accelerators easier machines make rules purpose post info macplus acelerators found novy accelerator micrmac multispeed accelartor acceptable hear recommend accelerator macplus hear time effort expend karl 
quadra startup monitor organization umcc arbor lines distribution world nntp posting host umcc umcc umich quadra finish startup monitor connected problem running file server monitor connected time horsefeathers shawn fitzgerald umcc computing club michigan chungkuo umich quiet alive quiet dead makes difference cerebus 
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ntsc nntp posting host organization morgan stanley company distribution comp lines question general displaying ntsc understand correctly video spigot display ntsc small window capture data quicktime format larger window options misunderstood video spigot review interested quicktime television time time nice sony monitor wife watching sitcoms regular video cards accept ntsc input iisi nubus adapter advance george micahels 
scsi ethernet converter sale organization university virginia distribution lines strange piece equipment unload ether scsi interface apparently plugged scsi port ethernet save slot nifty assume people judging price interested 
pple cdrom freebies organization govt systems electronics lines article sunnyt bchs writes reseller heard rumors bundled couple confirm sunny sunnyt bchs ordered received ordered april misc cdroms things intro nautilis sample kodak pictures alice ocean story woman treked austrailia discs apple games disc applications disc titles disc haven checked cinderella thing kids disc mozart super interested make list exact titles post category interesting fairly useless rumored earliest units shipped encyclocpedia drives jeff adams 
hard drive problem content type text plain charset ascii content transfer encoding organization indiana university mime version content length lines dates back april originally purchased experienced failure boot problem fixed upgrade hard drive similar problem occuring computer powered light flashes times disk boot icon turing computer drive boots fine turning power press reboot button problem occurs turning power works problem boot problem required power boot suggestions problem fixed wondering requires time speed pram scsi setting computer wait longer access altan stalker astalker indiana indiana university computer science dept 
buying advice keywords ziffnet advice stack organization simon fraser university burnaby canada lines version longer access ziffnet accessed compuserve check hypercard stack assists decision making based budget features main software download compuserve cost higher speed modem stack compressed dale carsona 
recommend printer organization netcom online communications services login guest lines market laser printer printers fine apple printers fine printer required features postscript emough memory download fonts cheaper prefer nice things pages minute scsi output font disk smallish footprint care postscript level networking color freedom press heard painfully slow tolerate slower price savings worth curious hear people experience infinitely prefer laser deskjets impressed quality laser bigot admit printer layout pages book writing page include multiple fonts graphics scanned line greyscale pictures quality spectacular clear readable printers laserwriters understanding scsi disk true personal laserwriter access apple employee discount work apple spinoffs cheaply heard things comments leaning personal nice small footprint laserwriter select hear postscript heard mumbles postscript upgrade laserjets worked platform painfully slow epson laserprinter running cheap comments printer hate styling ouput trays decent printer comments laura lemay lemay writer trifles shadows blood 
stereo sound problem games useragent nuntius xxdate xxmessage organization apple computer lines article doug book ucsd writes problem stereo sound output quadra totally roomate problem powerbook info experience anyopne greatly appreciated hook quadra home stereo system types sounds mono play fine speakers system beeps provided indigo record armor alley spectre spaceward games play left channel lemmings world awesome game glider oids stereo system beeps play stereo speakers specifically referring apocolyptic beginning roommate downloaded site sumex symptoms rommates ootw color running system lemmings games mentioned sound speakers class quadra powerbook greater centris stereo machine sort rememeber lemmings playing stereo machine left channel mistaken problem quad wondering system beeps play stereo problem machines games apparantly written support channel stereo mono sounds mono sound speakers spectre quadra powerbook roms knowledge problem system patch problem provide article wtte nada writes sound hardware diverse macs play stereo output instance play stereo left channel speaker mono developers stuff played left channel guaranteed heard channel send data send data left channel preferrable guess time quick explanation sound original documentation sound hardware documents make sound directly accessing hardware basically values bytes soundbase soundbase machines generated sound scanning block aing byte bytes floppy machines apple sound chip invented designed generate stereo sound designed compatible documented storing bytes values soundbase meant play mono sound emulated apple retracted documentation soundbase decided document lowest layers sound generation apple explained stuff bytes make stereo sound enter game developers sound driver current sound manager inconveniently lame making games people port learn apis popular game writers write soundbase make sound easy apple kind sound output hardware things common writing soundbase works hardware iicx iici writing soundbase mono sound speakers macs quadra writing soundbase mono sound left channel technically correct interpretations original specification preferable asthetic reasons developers sound manager sound driver mono sounds typically channels underlying hardware generate left channel developers write sound base games left games problem original producing left channel sound internal speaker mixes related post generation amplification motherboards machines affects true stereo sounds sounds mono play internal speaker matter machine directly address question games list lemmings world awesome game glider oids hellcats super tetris oxyd tested cheat write soundbase left channel quadras games list armor alley spectre spaceward tour golf civilization personal experience sound manager work fine machines story developers cheat absolutely positively allowed stop cheating sound external speakers disappointed sound future hardware grace period sound manager understandable works pretty work conclusion doug hardware problem choice developers send sound channels care automatically cheat make work hardware disclaimer number work sound apple pretty informed write sound questions disclaimer number wrote grace period news feed catagorically allowed disclaimer number speak apple steve bollinger 
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cache card iisi organization harris lauderdale lines distribution world nntp posting host harris article pebi peter bidian writes bought cache card techworks cheapest week place applied engineering quicksilver card cache slot socket sale regular price idea phone interested found macuser burmeister relation place satisfied customer jimb harris 
cards lcii nntp posting host cunixb columbia organization columbia university lines expansion cards specifically advantage lcii data path clock speed exist significantly faster lcii versions farul ghazali columbia university city york 
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syquest organization drexel university lines article cwru robert sprecher writes creative cable splicing hook syquest removable drive difference guts drive cable differences sprecher cwru companies package syquest drives world ready config 
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syquest organization stanford university distribution lines article gatech anthony writes remember mention syquest heard interested cost megabyte approximate cost drive compare bernoulli talking syquest code named mesa winchester technology drive pretty syquest drives terms works latest macleak drive access time sustained throughput figures memory slightly give idea performance nonetheless drive originally released recently released world differences limited supply syquest process ramping mass production advertised number manufacturers macleak including massmicro clubmac macwarehouse poweruser massmicro units priced lesser brands external drive cartridges hold sell prices drives cartridges cheaper performing drives cost megabyte compares favorably cartridge drives bernoulli drives large amounts data optical cheaper reliable personally excited drive forward hands chris wand egotism anesthetic dulls pain stupidity frank leahy 
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standard classification registers external features address cache notes segmenting protected mode protected mode doubled internal clock rate demoed planned pentium code cisc chip risc data features issue superscalar write back path pipelining speed specint specfp chip internal external architecture chips address maximum power built power management laptops chip cache added john john models chips cyrix basically socket cache improved integer math speed equivalent chip cache chip runs rest machine runs week latest line cisc chips samples released march machines announced week systems registers external features address cache notes limit code parallel processing burst mode pipelining doubled internal clock rate development discontinued favor branch target superscaler pipelining cache line bursts equivalent capabilities speeds pentium includes data instruction code caches built caches designs created limit clocks internal processor clock pclk freq external clock bclk rate chips bradley lamont motorola data book compilers produce programs sensitive pclk clock doubler chip compiler program dependent compliers written programs consitant advantage pclk future studies byte article showed roughly dependent machine programs tested representative general performance motorola claims week powerpcs machines listed separately eliminate redundancy motorola risc chips powerpc registers external features address cache notes speed specint combined specfp power desktop portable systems high performance high machines combined week select venders sample chips motorola week nubus boards early samples powerpc apple list developers week macweek week systems versions week cpus comparison list general rule thumb motorola chips faster intel chips frequency intel chips higher frequencies motorola evens macintosh bible supports comparisons intel motorola chips windows hardware segmenting nature features data path strenghthens comparison chips mmus protected memory present protected memory feature apps system feature protect disk created memory control panel supported powerbooks quadras color classic lcii hardware data paths makes comparative cost solution people programs sensitive pclk pipelining behave microprocessors built internal cache implemented caches programs sensitive pclk pipelining behave pentium planned superscalar heat problems chips flounder cheaper week earlier released week macweek week leat producing degrees pentium partly ported powerpc chips powerpc powerpc line planned programs windows poweropen unix pink taligent emulators oses shell softpc hardware effort remove reconfiguring system time requirement cards drivers video operating systems world intel microsoft hardware software developers working plug play standards week color support display pixel clock standard present macs support color color quickdraw color quickdraw transparent capability display edit images color retain colors color independently monitor resolution color palettebook monitor type including autosynchronous mcga svga monitors ranges including vertically horizontally hardware video adaptor macuser older machines supported color iicx color needed software patch color macuser special costs speed macs display capability built expanded display color presently quickdraw optimized display quickdraw change addition quickdraw macs nubus slot monitor combination monitors showing thing multiple monitors acting large large monitor degree overlap pictures vram video standard present powerbook handling built video color palette vram provided runs color display expandable color display sound output standard macs stereo sound standard bios definitions operating system interacts video hardware drivers bypassing bios video hareware inconsitancies super nonstanderzation clone bios left resolution video display hardware program interaction video hardware question faisal nameer jawdat addition clone makers bothered provide standard hardware mechanism software determine display mode present matt healy standardized screen drawing toolbox result written detect modes party cards consitantly present things dependent interaction program print driver monitor card editing pictures color mode monitor type card combination impossible edit color picture svga monitor color palette colors started machines integrated graphics accelerators faster processors modular upgradeability built sound cards ethernet week monocrome display adapter original character mapped video mode graphics text color graphics array colors color palette eyes enhanced graphics array colors color palette lower versions colors bearable eyes video graphics array colors colors commonly modes clut color palette pixel clock martinez monitors analog input incompatible signals mcga multi color graphics array subset features lacks modes dictionary computer terms common initial implementation models svga super standard catch category group video cards manufacturer implementation scheme svga chaos people debating svga effort make svga standard vesa established newer units things mess video today resolution colors common newer sierra hicolor ramdac giving colors newer bits pixel speedwise variation slow western digital paradise based fast based tseng popular chipset limiting factors overcome linear address mapping architecture card window svga standards standard interlacing graphics accelerator graphics functions linedraw polygon fill hardware clone implementations fastest video today clone models interlacing high graphics processors speeds vector oriented graphics extended graphics array newer faster based clones coming emulates resolution modes accelerates graphics functions times faster standard windows including line draws pixel block transfers area fills masking addressing intelligent detect exist cards multiple desktops architecture resolution color depth fixed implements color companies color technical licenses refresh rates ensures flicker free rock solid images reduce visual discomfort compatible monitor types usable section specific details expansion scsi external device expansion interface common device hard drive printer scanner nubus card expansion monitors main problem external devices internal terminated problems devises scsi port scsi chain supposed terminated begining problems scsi devices scsi controller asynchronous synchronous transfers difference scsi software drivers fast scsi misname scsi scsi mode scsi details scsi devices scsi controller scsi mode scsi fully scsi compliant scsi implemented fast scsi require controller interfaces hardware software scsi transfer speeds burst burst burst wide fast scsi scsi software drivers hardware scsi speeds limited devices mistakenly called fast scsi fast scsi requires scsi software driver scsi electronics scsi ports wide scsi require scsi port electronics software driver scsi makes expensive scsi interfaces scsi asynchronous scsi built standard apple developed specifications scsi controlers scsi manager rewritten full advantage features scsi interfaces result present scsi macs scsi fast asynchronous scsi presently quadras macs scsi controller chip built digital review lack parts hardware wide scsi port interface macs require nubus card scsi older nubus macs bottleneck speed nubus rumor cyclone macs june wide fast scsi port standard rewritten scsi manager scsi scsi wide spread generally bundled systems eisa vesa local adapters avalable scsi fast scsi controllers unlike exact scsi controller specifications results added incompatibilities scsi memory expansion exceptions parity simm memory expansion parity simms macs special iicis make parity feature convension simm types called simms iifx parity simms simm accessable bits time ibms complete memory check startup writing reading memory location wrong simm boot give sound chord indicating problem macs made managed memory baced data path simms installed pairs sets centris quadra eliminate memory management setup memory upgraded simm time simms size memory interleaved simms resulting performance boost access macworld printers adbs modems built interfaces standard monitor interface sound input built present macs present powerbook macs portable classic line operates maximum data path bytes standardized designs adapter nubus card iisi problem cards timing dependency slows nubus clock transaction cycle ratio contiguous hand shake transactions theoretical peak built modular macs series performa adapted scsi nubus supports expansion ethernet nubus nubus back compatable clock throughput burst mode future card designs quickring peer peer parallel nubus apple vlbus architecture identical vlbus byte burst mode byte development expansion handled nubus unlike nubus cards radius rocket multiple processors time macs able dual task joinly process depending card software involved nubus card memory nubus cards type simms card standard memory expansion parity simms parity simms newer models simm memory check dozen types memory boards interfaces limited hard drives design lack development modified frequency modulation length limited smaller hard drives integrated device electronics asynchronous synchronous transfer common standard medium sized drives hard drive esdi enhanced small device interface throughput generally considered interface scsi ways common practical consideration hard drives device choices limited compared scsi interfaces plug play eisa compatable cards problems working cards infoworld week vaporware interfaces common data path limit produces limit software workarounds byte edge triggered interrupts share conflict limited busmastering capabilities cards bandwidth limited ports ports game ports midi card video disk controllers dominant factor showing motherboard designs world micro channel computer talk fast components involved handle incompatible eisa planned interface powerpc carl jabido eisa nubus closest equivalent burst mode ability configure cards multiple masters sharable interrupt channels multiple vesa local mistakenly refereed local standard runs clock rate burst modes byte limited slots mastering coexist eisa consitered ideal video disk dell filled claim violates patents martinez quickring apple faster burst version architecture byte show powerpc machines byte development intel version local intended totally replace eisa development oses assumes full installation print drivers fonts multifinder multiple application hardware commands apple control machine putting hooks quickdraw menu commands print mouse scsi sound drivers require clone makers chip read disks requires access proper macs slightly chips classic hooks support interface programers worry disk hardware commands commands consitant write smaller programs apple greater control hardware software standards disk smaller tookbox command code lower requirements totally disk based macs masked fast dram wtte single program usage base requirements floppy cooperatively multitasking base requirements floppy features cooperative multitasker multifinder standard program interface standard stereo sound support network receiving part appleshare software bundled barrier party products virtual memory long real print drivers system macs require system base requirements hard drive facto standard features hard drive lowest present portable configuration system disks hard disk space features program linking computers built server capabilities filesharing older oses appleshare client software accessed macs speed practical requires virtual memory machines times real noticeable iisi speed degradation drag drop quicktime built truetype support supports sound input aiff formats present machines access true virtual memory real mode older machines requires mode extension apple free worldscript support speedier usage macweek week mode older machines requires mode enabler extension marks start apple saling allowing free upgrades bundled machines upgrades installer upgrading system fonts previous system inside system file benefits problems apple recommends removing fonts system file unix suggested hard drive equivalent preemptive multitasking large unix needing translators roms price note sound output supported oses formats including wave asnd fssd qssn smsd soun dcfl sound manager optimized sound standards aiff playback problems formats play machiness code data hooks present hardware programmers work coding provided hard disks slow disk code read addition code read process called shadow results faster implementation faster proms eproms code disk advantage able optimize code piece collection hardware harder based system patches needed addition reduces size patches major revision hardware support needed side note charged microsoft formed trust providing feature documentation oses developers designing windows apps fail undocumented windows deliberate code windows beta install abort boot manager present gregory hicks info ibmpc digest conflict intrest member vote judicial council action microsoft resulted action rumors presue matter point choosing member council addition government turned microsoft copyright windows charge developers hooks week microsoft oses barrier memory manager barrier party memory managers requires program provide print drivers programs protected mode interface dpmi compliant running protected mode break barriers shell present added features built file compresion disk defragmenter debugger config file module networking cost byte april development week window runs breaks barriers deal file structure base requirements floppy hard drive fast display adapter equivalent called windows graphics device interface consistent application interface early programs large program base compared slow machine info ibmpc digest speed dependent display adapter bill coleman window programs tend disk memory hogs compared counterparts byte april window faster version window memory managment base requirements hard drive hard drive apple plans release print drivers week windows workgroups world intermediary windows basically windows built peer peer networking support windows beta release takes disk space including swap file betas notorious usage interaction debuging code program compliers reports requirements released version supposed gates recommends week protected mode multitasking multithreading symmetric multiprocessing recoverable file system built networking compliant handle people july release date infoworld rumor final version infoworld july vaporware quarter week windows upgrades week oses version runs windows faster faster file video handling infoworld extras built data compression memory management enhancements barrier version novell version finder apple file management system week infoworld unix features unix requirements hard drive multithreaded multitasking address fast swap file systems direct memory access plans taligent oops future versions infoworld unix system planned subset poweropen taligent nextstep unix provide features machines beta final version solaris sunsoft port symmetric multiprocessing multithreading built networking capabilities tools remote configuring adminstration features communication package client users server users server developer kits software hardware working star trek apple system running intel chips making version computerworld macweek present planned novell require equivalent apps recompiled macweek viewed novell answer windows complexity hardware reason slow progress apple leading powerpc line late early pink late early powerpc rumor build powerpc late infoworld june macweek week microchannel video carl jabido native version apps week comments compatablity windows apps apple powerpc machine tesseract planned mbyte floppy drive expected sale line prices projections macuser macweek poweropen preemtive multitasking planned powerpcs macs macweek intel compatibility uncertain planned base requirements hard drive macweek rumor ahead schedule rumor powerpc late pink taligent expecting delivery wall street journal parts shipping poweropen powerpcs macweek windows port macweek section details solaris version microsystems unix power macweek oses directly state windows programs section details nextstep port section details number crunching park arithmetic consistent numerical environment sane standard apple numerics environment floating point numbers bits long present bits exceptions dividing taking square root negative number abort handled logically consistent manner produces internal representation infinity produces treatment occurs equipped machine sane bypassed programmed directly floating point numbers bits hardware bits emulated handled dependent coding compiler assembler program older complilers exceptions program aborts abort prompt point occured present compilers handle result consistent handling numbers windows programs programs networking includes printing wysiwyg printing problem machines sends truetype fonts older style postscript printer hardware built localtalk network port built printer port localtalk moderate speeds requires special connectors machine printer port include macs network port standard today built ethernet common older macs require nubus card machine cards provide connectors transceivers thick thin baset ethernet macintosh quadra family centris models includes ethernet interface motherboard transceivers tokenring network option software appletalk suite protocols standard variety media types appleshare client software included connect file servers novell netware open banyan vines pathworks apple appleshare servers system file sharing machines servers running variety unix hosts mactcp typical communications telnet rlogin version unix open transport interface built macweek party software connect servers pathworks decnet support peer peer file sharing software built system section full server software extra printing requires connection printer printer selected chooser changing printers selecting chooser true connecting servers printing bugs monaco truetype font screen bitmap font quickdraw suppossed similar problems hardware localtalk widely ethernet tokenring software novell netware banyan vines decnet windows work groups appletalk protocols appleshare subset appletalk networking schemes general totally incompatible chosen pretty locked product line windows work groups forgiving removes problem novell netware biggest percent corporate market general powerful offers control management security appleshare complex manage change finder file management system novell week infoworld macweek printing dependent single user plug printer parallel port worry tweeking needed poorly written software network printing controlled system implemented actual program performance varies software program windows supports standard drivers good showing jobs print queue lists printers active problem incompatible printers software reliably determine printer active windows workgroups intelligent deals printers apps making calls printing bugs poor programing programs oses wysiwyg printing fault programs question involved price issue dynamic providing build features price wars worlds machines modualar nature prevents kind true hardware standarization turn requires oses programs complex handle variation hardware adds standard hardware features built input output sound support scsi built monitor support built networking standard mouse interface nubus higher machines cheaper equivalent equipted machine monitors macs cuts cost macuser prices info sheet macuser april macs slot vram scsi built noted monitor extra built monitor interface provided card needed color display planned model hard drive color monitor vram macweek sounds color classic scsi sound support built network support socket built expansion color color classic data equivalent socket built monitor lcii equivalent centris depending program equivalent built ethernet nubus slot vram color centris depending program equivalent nubus slots ethernet ethernet ethernet vram 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serial line connection organization stanford university lines article petrack writes null modem connection mackermit versaterm side procomm kermit softerm side hardware handshaking hardware ahdshaking cables hands shaking effort allowed file transfers hear attesting pump information serial port fast modem dump absolutely insane wanna problem duos hmm sounds vaguely similar problem long time kermit building serial connection problem handshaking basically make handshaking protocol sides safe place start selecting handshaking problem zilog serial chip permanently wedged talk wrong reset clear specifics nonlinearity screws attempts debugging system things eventually wrong move handshaking protocol screw correct actions machine reset wedged send files back problem pretty high speeds kind chip zilog pretty standard hope helps avery 
setwutime nntp posting host holonet organization holonet national internet access system modem lines andrew page writes sleep make make wake setwutime powerbook hardware wakeup timer portable powerbook newer powerbooks kind doubt rooting developer found steve folta folta 
quadra scsi problems organization apple computer lines attention quadra owners storage industry experts concluded quadras suffer timing irregularities deviating standard scsi specification results silent corruption data devices including ultra modern devices devices fault sony inch special compatible firmware installed solution disable blind writes knowledge problems quadras blind transfers trouble blind transfers means programmer screwed tibs test driver device question designed tibs poll loop point delays occur occurs byte block transfer devices hiccup middle blocks middle blind transfer possibility losing gaining byte depending direction tranfer anycase scsi manager eventually return phase error transaction sync actual data loss occur driver attention errors coming back note effect caused scsi transfer loops inside scsi manager problem occurs processor errors access scsi chip byte clocked note error dealt error handler crash machine clinton bauder apple computer 
simm dram nntp posting host mail organization university amsterdam lines arthur greene fidonet arthur greene writes difference dram chip simm memory laserwriter offering sell simms removed feeling correct form memory sockets laserwriter spidery shaped chips sockets recall pins arranged rows simm appreciated simm small dram chips soldered maarten real life maarten carels computer science department university amsterdam email maarten 
fine organization university washington lines nntp posting host carson washington running months number scsi devices connected quantum maxtor toshiba emulex adapter pioneer trouble motherboard scsi interface experimenting plain clock oscillators order give details clock chipper seattle 
half page hand scanners organization lafayette college lines originator news nntp posting host lafibm greyscale handscanner thinking buying inexpensive logitech pretty good super high quality scans worth advance mike charles 
deskwriter drivers install organization eindhoven univ technology netherlands lines nntp posting host wsinpa keywords deskwriter system installation recently upgraded system upgraded deskwriter drivers software sumex clear install files purpose left instance background printing internet wstomv eindhoven university technology voice dept mathematics computing science eindhoven netherlands 
synch synch nntp posting host mondrian csufresno organization california state university fresno lines good code drive serial port syncronos mode abravo csufres 
drive speeds differ keywords quantum speed nntp posting host mondrian csufresno organization california state university fresno lines external hard drive speed tests show substantially faster internal quantum supposedly drives roughly rated speed large difference marc marc matteo applelink matteo california state university internet mmatteo csufresno fresno matteo 
half page hand scanners organization university washington lines nntp posting host carson washington logitech scanman nice unit compact effective bring graphics surprisingly good quality note effective resolution grey scale mode intend magnify graphic works fine true level gray scanner work images scanman reasonable price higher hand scanners expensive flat scanners seattle paper shows occasional good bargains classifieds color flat beds lows grey scale flatbeds 
monitor shut sadams calstate steven adams organization calif state univ electronic information services lines luck call local apple dealer thinks serial numbers machines covered begin told apple extended service serial numbers year hope monitor jeffh uoregon jeff hite writes article georgetown writes defect monitors bring dealer replace flyback free heard problem work today fixing free service notice monitors expired date apple reimburse service providers replacement voltage capacitor folks putting intermittant shutdowns service provider missed freebie force year free deal jeff hite computing center oregon jeffh uoregon 
fine nntp posting host christian informatik organization university lines article harvard patrick wrote menes muenchen rainer menes writes replace oscilator iisi understand newer variable speed overdrive hardware alittle init adjust speed idear replace cristal oscilator socket change oscilator easy alot cheaper newer variable speed overdrive gues upgrade variant speeding quadra issue magazine article upgrading models apple simply change crystals hammerhead centris able work cooler prefered works crystal full speed extra cooling required centris quadra extra cooling works machines real power enthusiasts quadra description issue german magazine christian bauer bauer 
hard disk error organization university kaiserslautern lines disk external hard drive quantum followinf message error missing thread record tarid tarblock disk able problem norton utils find norton disk editor tarblock read dirreservedarea question error reformatting michael kemper university kaiserslautern germany email kemper gave email address opinion rhrk 
apple ship organization university british columbia lines nntp posting host swiss note external centris miss sound mixing feature wire motherboard sound input connector stereo output connecting sound input port back computer live mono 
compare nntp posting host eufrat nada organization royal institute technology stockholm sweden lines fischer writes interesting comparision fast clock cycle chips alpha slow blazes problem finding make computer system tough order digital today cheers hacker deluxe fear death dying scares 
nntp posting host eufrat nada organization royal institute technology stockholm sweden lines ryanph dsto writes reason apple release software patches older computers lots pluses classics upgraded processors perfectly able deal color quickdraw wont parties difficult reason market size market size color quickdraw accellerated plusses small extra cost belike money color classic cheers hacker deluxe fear death dying scares 
ethernet card rose organization charles sturt university riverina wagga wagga australia lines article aaron bratcher uchicago aaron bratcher writes ethernet card takes advantage rose extension rose extension michael michael antolovich wagga wagga great place mantolovich antolovich 
torx screwdriver organization charles sturt university riverina wagga wagga australia lines article login writes owned wanted upgrade memory ordered toolkit macwarehouse included anti static wrist strap clamp split clamshell case torx screwdriver selling anymore give company sells memory upgrades suitable style call offer shipping method told companies sell plastic throw version torx driver michael michael antolovich wagga wagga great place mantolovich antolovich 
quadra clock chipping works organization university washington lines nntp posting host carson washington summary quadra clock chip swap success keywords quadra clock accelerate reading reports germany success accelerating quadra centris simply changing clock oscillator decided test claim pulled variable speed overdrive motherboard clock chip socket clock place inserted clock oscillator left working works scsi timing errors short time posting results spend money working lack double boot worth effort 
versatec plotter organization university western australia lines distribution world nntp posting host uniwa newsreader world postscript versatec size plotter generally accessed postscript interpreter replies mail gratefully received proving tricky andrew nielsen internet anielsen advanced systems consultant applelink aust applecentre perth adelaide perth australia opinions expressed employer 
quadra startup monitor reply mats bredell organization uppsala university computing center udac newsreader version lines shawn fitzgerald chungkuo umcc umich wrote quadra finish startup monitor connected problem running file server monitor connected time control panel made remember quadra models work exists mats mats bredell mats bredell uppsala university computing center udac department medical systems sweden straight 
simm dram xxdate nntp posting host bcarm organization useragent nuntius lines article arthur greene arthur greene fidonet writes difference dram chip simm memory laserwriter offering sell simms removed feeling correct form memory sockets laserwriter spidery shaped chips sockets recall pins arranged rows simm appreciated dram chip kilobit chip simm kilobyte memory module simm connector edge simm kilobit dram chips making total memory kbytes correct assuming simms laserwriter apple printers require simms iifx special memory chips contact apple dealer find kind chips peter hansen bell northern research pgmoffc 
simms xxdate nntp posting host bcarm organization useragent nuntius lines article steven medley smedley csuchico writes simm centris place purchase stock shipping warrenty phone numbers order goldstar make immediately configurations ordered pair computerland variety work charm weeks peter hansen bell northern research pgmoffc 
buying high speed modem nntp posting host mach organization school computer science carnegie mellon lines article behr ilstu eric behr writes dataport earns unanimous praises reliability backordered moment special price effect capabilities worse modems warning modem cables lifetime warranty applies order directly paradyne called elektek distributors wanted charge cable gave year warranty information cable warranty ordered mine logos communications cleveland inside cable correct connections lifetime warranty package assembled paradyne piece serial cable telephone cable part numbers quicklink software package compuserve intro eric behr illinois state university mathematics department behr ilstu behr bitnet avoid interested logos number ordered mine wednesday modem friday cleveland pittsburgh side ship chris christopher dingman electrical computer dept dingman carnegie mellon university forbes pittsburgh 
pple giong brighter nntp posting host organization ostfold regional college lines apple monitor past months brighter brighter colors rich encountered similar problem dows happen problem 
setwutime works organization world public access unix brookline lines tested work open powerbook control panel setting time wake present open control panel assume setwutime work andrew page warrior poet decision effort archer arrow consultant difference macintosh technology 
half page hand scanners originator leapman austin reply login organization austin lines lightening scan hand scanner scanning editing software software plug modules photoshop scanner pricey side scans incredibly accurate level grayscale dithered line settings grayscale desired great scanning software easy frequently write letters neices spontaneouly include scanned image note hope helps 
cache card iisi news software vishnepolsky rogers lines reply glalonde disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host xlalonde torolab organization toronto week place applied engineering quicksilver card cache slot socket sale regular price idea phone interested found macuser people cache cards post speedometer numbers cards report cache card speedup access memory takes longer cache card miss small cache card worth kind numbers cards found interesting disable cache cards software read iisi tech notes apple good deal 
drivers organization apple computer cupertino california lines nntp posting host apple sakelley ucsd scott kelley writes find driver future echo infomasster drive friend running drive contacts generic drivers optical access international west cummings park suite woburn applelink polk street suite francisco applelink optical media international knowles drive gatos applelink trantor systems intel architecture machines randall place fremont applelink trantor software architects verified north creek parkway suite bothell applelink softarch casa blanca works verified applelink cbworks send message applelink form address apple address replaced applelink address brian bechtel blob opinion apple 
vram simms nntp posting host reply jartsu organization helsinki university technology finland lines kind soul price iivi iivx compatible vram simms nowadays price finland ridiculously high worth trouble overseas jartsu 
long simm lines simm moving flip flops move bigger electron charging discharging capacitors dram simm anthony saxton elenay creations 
iisi question lines single expansion slot nubus card lies parallel motherboard requires adaptor slot nubus adaptort cards kind slots depends kind adapter card exception radius rocket nubus cards work slots cards specific cards work macs planet bmug firstclass bmug message contained posting reflect bmug official views 
desi upgrade lines digital eclipse upgrades suggesting chips able perform true desi deal david planet bmug firstclass bmug message contained posting reflect bmug official views 
good display card multisync nntp posting host reply jartsu organization helsinki university technology finland lines recommend good nubus display card driving multisync horizontal refresh vertical interlaced noninterlaced nice find card programmed freely limits capable display bits pixel preferably market close jartsu 
good hard disk driver apple drives compat nntp posting host reply jartsu organization helsinki university technology finland lines recommendation good hard disk driver software apple drives syquest removable media drive normal drives heard good things silverlining competitors fancy filled features affordable jartsu 
adding vram quadra keywords vram quadra reply hades organization dartmouth college hanover disclaimer personally care speak moderator arts comics info lines wstuartj purdue stuart jones writes vram quadra simms vram simms cost favorite memory distributor current soldered board current vram soldered logic board simm slots expansion hades 
comstation organization modemlink network long island york lines expierience comstation contact suggesiton good modem macintosh amiga dennis cheung corporation america america online internet mlinknet disclaimer read message message exist 
drive speeds differ keywords quantum speed nntp posting host hemul nada organization royal institute technology stockholm sweden lines mmatteo csufresno marc matteo writes external hard drive speed tests show substantially faster internal quantum supposedly drives roughly rated speed large difference caching disk faster coil seeks disk spins faster data transfers faster data packed tighter transfers faster faster scsi command decoder drive things hacker deluxe engineering work science work management work liberal arts fries jesse schell 
adding vram quadra organization apple computer cupertino lines article wstuartj purdue stuart jones writes vram quadra simms current soldered board current vram vram simms vram simms work quadra centris machines vram soldered logic board simms give total dale adams 
cache card iisi organization dept university texas austin lines nntp posting host mohawk utexas people cache cards post speedometer numbers cards report cache card speedup record shows iisi cache small attach measured real programs cache speedup varies ranging average subjective difference great noticable simple cache card transform iisi enormously conventional wisdom cache cards makers offer speedup difference caches bought mine wave absolutely problems complete speedometer runs cache check conventional wisdom called performance rating numbers interest cheers file converted binhex cfgigfh qsqbuc qscfphghl kjqtu ucucj hcakr spij ucld quutqc quubut tuuqcq ucfj acsl cqfm vxmhha irdjpcvr lucvsz xrhjf vipiqkfdk lghf milc gesp bhmdhll qbqsrmm jpgxqcpr pclhrsg eiymc trafa bddt egtyknxh btbhjlex khgzc bhhnv cxhkel pyy rjtcymi pubq mihg eung msap dinq mqjza mimq padk sthlia idhhm fruq zkxi pqrqkcu qciuk zmef bqmeffkt jhyl pxve iejf ajcy qetfvk zviq rcdpaxafrl xrhf nmlp kiara bufflgj lefr kpdgj bijhnadh qpjiteram jjxdk jkrq icrc vrbjcx frchypk chjjij mbmupg xkuex irnykb rsbn fhrc rfhy jjxb cljkfb mclee mhpf qrmms cpjy ddap eipbd pexj zkgn vbkj qckrpm pqxjnlyrlpq mpvs xrmrzf ilxsv ppvjicfmrrekxddi fhmt aalm chgur yaridi hpai fhnfmq qlchvc duajj ndih jqed cgdtvmdy aacvkc abfb qqlk mkhnya kajhr efqr slfg tpmif admicj peter newton newton utexas 
apple ship organization umcc arbor lines nntp posting host umcc umcc umich article thewho derek fong writes interestingly cdrom quadra disks system install kodak photo sampler alice ocean cdrom titles application demos mozart dissonant quartet nautilus apple chronicles noticed external feel missed supposed fantastic games demo disk heard people disks drive assume titles cinderella games demo cdrom comments experiences call apple complain derek thewho drive system install listed ideas bought iivx direct express chicago complaints good price good service heard system install boot drive accept caddy machine boot dave 
source deskwriter carts organization homewood academic computing johns hopkins university baltimore lines nntp posting host jhunix mail post cheap source carts deskwriter original carts preferred settle party brands good quality tt ee ee ee ee steve drlovemd ee ee drlovemd 
stereo sound problem games organization dept university linkoping lines steve bollinger writes enter game developers sound driver current sound manager inconveniently lame making games sound driver pretty fast sound manager book useless disposing sound channels sound completed question games smooth animation slow sound driver snappier sound manager system supports poorly making programs crash occasionally story developers cheat absolutely positively allowed stop cheating sound external speakers disappointed sound future hardware grace period sound manager understandable works pretty work code work systems bugs sound manager channels hang error message happends channel open long periods performance play sounds stopping sounds halfway callbacks reliable safely sound stopped playing inspect private variables channel qhead found channel hung inspect undocumented flag modify happy nope writing soundbase simply bugs suggestions silent games acceptab solutions ingemar ragnemalm dept electrical engineering uunet mcvax enea rainier ingemar university linkoping sweden ingemar 
buying high speed modem organization university southern california angeles lines nntp posting host corona hardware handshaking 
oriented bbss chicago lines member local frequent oriented bbss based chicago leads appreciated list firstclass systems illinois chicago machine chicago insane domain chicago universe chicago rockford mactripp wilmette innovators vernon hills numbers firstclass systems glad post complete list jason hyerstay adrenaline admin adrenaline online firstclass charlotte free access dual onenet macunion fidonet usenet conferences megs files dedicated users cyberpunks civil libertarians mecha gamers 
making internal hard disk external organization auspex systems santa clara lines nntp posting host auspex auspex difficult operation cables standard scsi scsi jumper pads labelled quantums drive case conner figure jumpers scsi jumpers familiar drive drive oposite pibbon connector eleven pins pins represent silk screen notation pins board jumper pads marked silk screen scsi pins drive activity light plugged allan allan schwartz 
scsi spec lines nntp posting host maciifx wired scsi chain bought drive find hardcore scsi question iifx scsi chain active passive termination iifx scsi spec enable initiation sdtr message iifx scsi spec parity checking good questions time answer questions repost answers keanini sound engineer broderbund software 
crashes aftersleep nntp posting host hqsun oracle organization oracle corp disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle lines list bugged owners bunch problems sleep wakeup restart techworks finally died start opened docking door snaps open machine fine clock decades apple replaced processor board machine frozen mouse action machine refused wake acutally backlighting disk spins power adaptor plugged good battery time happened removing power adaptor battery minute brought machine back time happened machine wake powered minutes screen looked horizontal lines accross timse file modem preferences corrupted disinfectent removed modem software party memory waiting forrest forrest howard oracle corporation oracle parkway redwood shores 
portable powerbook answers organization fidonet node association grand blanc lines internal hard drive macportable upgraded larger capacity specs drive model party modem greater option notice macportable batteries avalable apple catalog eric choi internet eric choi fidonet 
quickdraw rest inside organization cornell materials science center lines releasing suite quickdraw related docs wwdc month preliminary version documentation talking multiple thousands pages afraid comprising graphics layout printing lots calls functionality documenting dave opstad line layout weenie place kinda aesthetically pain places hacks hacks maintain compatibility original things cast cgrafports grafports cleaner ditch entire mess start maynard 
apple printer lines workaround enable print hplj powerbook ethernet card localtalk slot grr hardware enable easily kind plug play mullen message member seattle dbug exchange seattle infoline 
international obfuscated code contest opening keywords iocc article toad expires reply chongo uucp landon noll distribution world organization nebula consultants francisco lines enclosed rules guidelines related information international obfuscated code contest part part shar file enjoy chongo larry bassel shell archive shar made chongo source directory existing files overwritten shar length mode rules guidelines mkentry obfuscate info rules echo extracting rules text rules international obfuscated code contest rules xcopyright landon curt noll larry bassel xall rights reserved permission personal education profit xgranted provided copyright notice included entirety xand remains unaltered receive prior permission writing xfrom landon curt noll larry bassel obfuscate cated cating cates render obscure darken confuse emotions obfuscated judgment llat obfuscare darken intensive fuscare darken entry replaces older entry xtitle title entry comments xentry entry number inclusive entry xdate date time submission comments xhost machine entry tested indented lines needed remark place remarks entry section helpful indent remarks spaces requirement avoid column blank lines permitted author xname xorg school company organization xaddr postal address indented lines continue forget include country xemail email address site registered domain give forms list separate indented lines xanon remain anonymous publish info info program info file place uuencoded copy xthis section case multiple info files multiple info xsections entry info file skip section build xplace uuencoded copy command compile build program section uudecode file named build resulting xfile bytes program xplace uuencoded copy program section uudecode xinto file named prog resulting file follow rule format title match expression characters length suggested required title incorporate username case multiple authors parts usernames authors date entry section respect format date returned asctime locale guidelines info correct revise previously submitted entry sending contest email address entry section corrected entry title entry number submittion corrected note resubmittion remark exception header text format judges judges remark section send separate email message judges information author section published respective author anon line credit multiple authors include author section author start author line found entry build sections entry remarks include program program sample args input special compile execution instructions special filename requirements rule information data files program obfuscated note entry submission previous entry remarks humorous entry remarks suggest portions remarks entry wins award info files supplement entry required exist entry info file skip info section entry multiple info files multiple info sections info file describe info file remark section entry selected winner modified build incorporated makefile build removed prog renamed entry title optional digit entry compiled file entry title possibly digit entry requires build file exist state entry remark section makefile arranged execute build shell script build information build shell script entry title possibly digit needed entry remarks entry changed order deal filenames build file source resulting executable treated read files entry modify files make modify copy file occurs state entry remarks entries compiled ansi compiler rejected common extensions permitted long compile errors ansi compilers program original work programs public domain copyrighted programs rejected entries received prior essentially equivalent greenwich time email entries apple pyramid uunet hoptoad obfuscate obfuscate request message subject iocc entry request hold emailing entries early entries accepted attempt email confirmation author entries received person submit entries contest year entry separate email letter entries requiring human interaction built allowed compiling entry produce file files executed programs require special privileges setuid setgid super user special owner group allowed xfor information judging landon noll larry bassel send questions comments entries contest apple pyramid uunet hoptoad judges judges rules guidelines change year year current rules guidelines prior submitting entries obtain send email address subject send rules obtain anonymous host user anonymous pass yourname iocc xchongo hoptoad chongo xlarry bassel uunet ucbvax cbosgd shar chmod rules echo restore rules failed rules test echo original size current size guidelines echo extracting guidelines text guidelines international obfuscated code contest guidelines hints comments xcopyright landon curt noll larry bassel xall rights reserved permission personal education profit xgranted provided copyright notice included entirety xand remains unaltered receive prior permission writing xfrom landon curt noll larry bassel xabout file file intended people submit entries international obfuscated code contest iocc short iocc rules comments guidelines viewed hints suggestions entries violate guidelines remain rules allowed safer remain guidelines read current iocc rules prior submitting entries rules typically guidelines xwhat entry format program mkentry updated entry format reject entries compiled ansi compiler obfuscation hacks ansi compilers fits longer permitted issues deal integral array types variable number arguments preprocessor directives exit function likes dislikes xhints suggestions encouraged examine winners previous contests information details previous winners mind rules change year year winning entries valid entries year unique year year entry examined number ways typically apply number tests entry original source convert ansi graphs ascii process source ignoring include lines process source ignoring define include lines beautifier examine algorithm lint compile execute entry tests entry remains obscure cleaned processor beautifier entry tests cases test important entries compete strangest creative source layout terms algorithm hand entries inclined pick entry interesting avoid limiting creativity rules leave contest open creative rule interpretation real life programming interpreting requirements document customer request important reason award worst abuse rules entry illustrates point ironic plan abuse rules suggest remarks section note invitation abuse invitation break strict byte size limit abusing entry format annoy amuse realize holes rules invite entries attempt exploit award worst abuse rules plug hole year attempt smallest plug needed smaller check program works make effort debug entry slight problem final round hand entries fall work tend prime number printer claims prime number documenting noting entry prints power prime mistake save entry strange feature entry correctly working entry xour likes dislikes masses defines obscure source tend masses defines processor tests apply simply abusing defines dfoo program rounded confusion ansi compilers dislike code define define preprocessor directives define ifdef leading character line preprocessors whitespace leading exit function returns void systems entries assume returns small programs short obscure concise programs complex winners serve purpose program people attempt completely understand reason programs compact instructional line programs short line programs bytes long close bytes long opinion tend dislike programs hardware specific version specific index strchr differences socket streams specific code dump core compiler warnings warn remark header item compile abusing build file size limit obfuscate excessive ansi graphs longer similar previous winners identical previous losers cramped space entering liner category suggest format program creative simply forming excessively long lines build file size limit thing make bytes order squeeze source size limit feel free make build file space show amount restraint allowed whitespace cases impact program size point source simply compact blob characters versions program compact blob code formatted typical program tend favor version version program formatted interesting obfuscated suggest avoid smallest replicating program amazed sizes claim smallest wrong replicating programs fact number winners replicating avoid claim smallest smaller client entries portable entries adapt wide collection environments favored depend type display depend color size require backing store client entries avoid related libraries software wide spread client entries restrict level xlib athena widget libx libxaw libxmu libxt openl toolkits avoid depending window manager people stuck back earlier target requiring make entry version window systems client entries depend items xdefaults note required lines remark section programs concise small quasi interesting pass lint complaint requirement nice portable unique obfuscation style make number types obfuscation make laugh throw types programs excel areas program excel areas areas freely admit interesting creative humorous comments remark section helps chance winning read twisted entries enjoy good laugh readers contest winners creative xentry format order process entries request assistance formatting entries format addition quickly separate information author program judging process provided program mkentry format entries aware warning found mkentry program attempts implement iocc rules attempt made make program produces entry conforms contest rules cases program differs contest rules contest rules check contest rules submitting entry required mkentry convenient attempts uuencode needed files attempt check entry size rules suggestions comments fixes complaints mkentry program send email judges sample entry entry xrule xfix xtitle chonglab xentry xdate xhost remark obfuscated obfuscated program prize expect short author xname landon curt noll xorg iocc judging group xaddr toad hall francisco california xemail chongo xanon author xname larry bassel xorg iocc judging group xaddr toad hall francisco california xemail hoptoad xanon info xbegin info file xend build xbegin build special build limit list entries good declared winners start final round invent awards categories final round process perform difficult tasks reducing remaining entries typically winners confident entries make final round make selection winners final round clear final round entry good beat similar slightly entry reason worthwhile enter improved version entry failed previous year assumes entry worth improving place select small entry line strange creative layout entry entry abuses contest rules traditionally pick entry entry simply exceeds entry picked number categories xannouncement winners announcement occurs summer usenix conference tradition part uunet iocc prior berkeley bsdi winning entries posted late june groups comp lang comp unix wizards sources addition pointers postings posted comp sources sources misc misc comp sources misc comp windows winning entries deposited uunet archives details winning entries published selected magazines winners appeared books hackers dictionary shirts winners receive international fame flames xfor information contact judges sending email address apple pyramid uunet hoptoad judges address judges submitting entries questions comments contest obtain copy current rules guidelines mkentry program obtain send email address subject send rules obtain items winners previous contests anonymous host user anonymous pass yourname iocc contest rules guidelines winners archive sites check comp sources unix archives request previous winners email judges email address resort xchongo hoptoad chongo xlarry bassel uunet ucbvax cbosgd shar chmod guidelines echo restore guidelines failed guidelines test echo original size current size echo part continue part exit sunnyvale residents vote landon noll sunnyvale city council seat 
international obfuscated code contest opening part article toad expires reply chongo uucp landon noll distribution world organization nebula consultants francisco lines enclosed rules guidelines related information international obfuscated code contest part part shar file enjoy chongo larry bassel part multipart archive mkentry echo extracting mkentry text mkentry mkentry copyright landon curt noll larry bassel rights reserved permission personal education profit granted provided copyright notice included entirety remains unaltered receive prior permission writing landon curt noll larry bassel mkentry make international obfuscated code contest entry usage mkentry remarks build prog iocc entry remarks file remarks entry build file prog built prog obfuscated program source file iocc entry iocc entry output file compile mkentry mkentry public domain landon curt noll software provided express implied warranties including limitation implied warranties merchantability fitness purpose warning program attempts implement iocc rules attempt made make program produces entry conforms contest rules cases program differs contest rules contest rules check contest rules submitting entry send questions comments entries contest pacbell uunet pyramid hoptoad judges judges rules guidelines change year year current rules guidelines prior submitting entries obtain send email address subject send rules contest rules change year year program year intended rule year define matches current year include include include include include logic ifndef true define true endif true ifndef false define false endif false define true define false global limits define rule year note match current year define start date confirmation received define column line define build size build size define program size program source size define program size program source size counting whitespace whitespace define title chars title define entry length entry input line define entry number entries person year define file filename length info file send entries define entry addr apple pyramid uunet hoptoad obfuscate define entry addr obfuscate uuencode process assumes ascii define uuencode encode define uuencode uuencode chunk size define uuinfo mode mode info file uuencode file define uubuild mode mode build file uuencode file define uubuild build build file uuencode file define uuprog mode mode program uuencode file define uuprog prog program uuencode file encode char uuencoded character xchar encode global declarations xchar program xlong start time startup time forward declarations xvoid parse args xvoid usage xfile open remark xfile open build xfile open program xfile open output xvoid output entry xvoid output remark xvoid output author xvoid output info xvoid output build xvoid output program xvoid output xint line xvoid output till xint xvoid check xvoid uuencode xmain argc argv argc count char argv args file remark null open remarks stream file build null open build file stream file prog null open program stream file output null open output stream char rname null file remarks entry char bname null file prog built char pname null obfuscated program source file char oname null iocc entry output file struct startup time structure check year start time time long gmtime start time year rule year fprintf stderr warning program applies differ argv rule year year parse command line args parse args argc argv rname bname pname oname open check input output files open truncate output file case input files output open output oname remark open remark rname build open build bname prog open program pname output null remark null build null prog null exit output section output entry output oname output remark output oname remark rname output author output oname output info output oname output build output oname build bname output program output oname prog pname output output oname flush output fflush output fprintf stderr flush error program oname perror exit final words printf nyour entry found check file oname printf correct problems verify uudecode utility printf correctly decode build file program printf program provided guide submitters printf cases conflicts rules rules apply printf responsibility ensure entry conforms printf current rules printf email entries printf entry addr printf entry addr printf subject email entry printf tiocc entry exit parse args parse command line args command line args function parses sets required flags function return command line syntax correct xvoid xparse args argc argv rname bname pname oname argc count char argv args char rname file remarks entry char bname file prog built char pname obfuscated program source file char oname iocc entry output file char optarg flag option operand flagname flag getopt parse args hand program argv argc usage notreached optarg argv save flag operand correct global variable switch flagname case rname optarg break case bname optarg break case pname optarg break case oname optarg break default usage notreached verify required flags rname null bname null pname null oname null usage notreached return usage print usage message exit function return xvoid xusage exitval exitval exit fprintf stderr usage remarks build prog iocc entry program fprintf stderr remarks tfile remarks entry fprintf stderr build tfile prog built fprintf stderr prog tthe obfuscated program source file fprintf stderr iocc entry tiocc entry output file exit exitval open remark open check remark file remark file indented spaces extend column requirements warn function returns null format error xfile xopen remark filename char filename file stream opened file stream char bufsiz input buffer toolong number lines long indent number lines indented spaces open remark input file stream fopen filename stream null fprintf stderr open remark file program filename perror return null line fgets bufsiz stream null count lines start spaces strncmp indent count long lines found line long toolong watch errors check stream filename note long lines needed toolong fprintf stderr warning line extend column program toolong filename fprintf stderr nice avoid program note indented lines needed indent fprintf stderr warning line indented spaces program indent filename fprintf stderr nice avoid program return open file rewind stream return stream open build open check build file build file longer build size bytes function returns null size error xfile xopen build filename char filename file stream opened file stream struct stat statbuf status open file open build input file stream fopen filename stream null fprintf stderr open build file program filename perror return null determine size file fstat fileno stream statbuf build size fprintf stderr fatal build file bytes long program filename statbuf size fprintf stderr longer bytes program build size return null return open file return stream open program open check program source file program source file program size fprintf stderr fatal program source file bytes long program filename statbuf size fprintf stderr longer bytes program program size return null count whitespace whitespace chars count fgetc stream whitespace isascii isspace switch case count whitespace case case peek char fgetc stream isascii isspace whitespace count ungetc stream count break default count break watch errors check stream filename special size count program size fprintf stderr fatal number bytes whitespace program fprintf stderr whitespace program fprintf stderr line char skip input skip file date pipe pipe date command time epoch seconds epoch char write start section fprintf output entry check output oname write rule year fprintf output rule rule year check output oname determine printf update resubmittion printf previous entry enter line entry printf nthe entry number inclusive entry printf enter entry number entry entry fprintf output entry entry check output oname write submission date returns newline epoch time null fprintf output date asctime gmtime epoch check output oname write machine host information printf nenter machine entry tested output till output oname host output remark output remark section read needed information form stdin write entry section xvoid xoutput remark output oname remark rname file output entry output file stream char oname output file file remark stream file remark text char rname remark file char bufsiz input output buffer write start section fprintf output remark check output oname copy remark file section fgets bufsiz remark null fputs output check output oname check remark rname remark section ends newline strlen fputc output check output oname output author output author section read needed information stdin write author section multiple authors exist multiple author sections written xvoid xoutput author output oname file output entry output file stream char oname output file char buffer auths true authors note auth number authors processed prompt user author section printf nenter information author entry printf contest deadline judges start date printf attempt email back confirmation author place author information author individual section write start section fprintf output author check output oname write author printf nauthor auth line infoname uuname uuname uuname break attempt open info file infile fopen infoname infile null fprintf stderr open info file program infoname perror continue write start section fprintf output info check output oname uuencode info file uuencode output oname infile infoname uuinfo mode uuname printf info file include enter line yorn disable check length length input line flush terminal output fflush stdout read line fgets stdin null report problem check stdin stdin newline length strlen length eatchar char eaten newline found line long rest line eatchar fgetc stdin eatchar eatchar check stdin stdin report situation return watch long lines needed maxcol length maxcol maxcol report situation return return length return length output till output lines 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documentation experimentation greatly improved support international keyboards including implementation compose functionality found vendor servers keybd manual page information accuracy server detects svga pixel clocks improved timings stored accuracies users removing existing clocks line xconfig file probing server enhancements error handling parsing xconfig configuration file error messages informative intuitive validation options enabled xconfig file manual page information format file number small things refer changelog file source distribution full details included tutorial monitor timing eric raymond current mode database sample configuration david wexelblat supported xfree supports consensys microport dell esix consensys linux mach supported work active person greg lehey note esix supported feel free submit patches interested tackling send mail xfree video hardware supported time xfree supports svga chipsets tseng tseng paradise pvga western digital supersets pvga driver genoa gvga trident tvga tvga supported color monochrome modes exception chipsets supported color mode monochrome server supports generic cards video memory single bank hercules card video memory supported monochrome server gvga tested appears svga card manufacturers traditional mechanisms selecting pixel clock frequencies avoid modify server accommodate schemes xfree adds support external program select pixel clock programs written mechanisms discovered refer readme clkprog file information programs work write develop program xfree team interested including future xfree releases purchasing hardware purpose xfree suggested purchase based board orchid prodesigner avoid recent diamond boards xfree work diamond provide programming details fact xfree project actively supporting diamond products long policies remain effect contributions code accepted potential liabilities change diamond people asked xfree work local eisa video cards theoretically means communication video card irrelevant xfree 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manpage consulted questions determining clocks monitor modes david wexelblat dwex maintains database clock settings cards monitor settings database installed modedb source tree server database latest copy export contrib modedb updated occasionally obtain copy database settings create settings send david inclusion database videomodes eric raymond file xfree tutorials timings helpful start settings work description send information david wexelblat inclusion database note clock program supported completely unnecessary determine clock values board remove clocks line xconfig file present start server server probe clocks print values clocks line xconfig file speed starting server future rebuilding reconfiguring server link installed server binary link reconfigure drivers font renderers server fully explained readme file link specific things running xfree server installed suid root mode xterm properly kernel built consem module define consem environment xterm users setenv consem esix console 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comp windows intrinsics frequently asked questions supersedes organization ohio state university dept computer info science lines expires reply ware ohio state nntp posting host oboe ohio state summary answers window system widgets intrinsics library archive version ware toolkit intrinsics monthly posting article answers frequently asked questions comp windows toolkit intrinsics submit questions preferably answer send email ware ohio state faqs including archive site rtfm directory usenet news answers archived appears archive line article archived code fragments public domain contents glossary software versions related application core dump signals alarms cthreads visual default visual application shell widgets visual visual depth colormap shells inherit badmatch error widget destroyed call xtdestroywidget exit execute destroycallbacks resize shell widget xtappaddinput handle files good books magazines widgets alternatives intrinsics pass float xtsetvalues write resource converter open multiple displays changed resources loaded order callbacks executed widget visible reparent widget xtreparentwidget xtmalloc xtfree debug application xtaddinput xtaddtimeout xtaddworkproc work implement drag drop glossary intrinsics implement object oriented interface code graphical components created included classes provide base functionality object rectobj core composite constraint shell overrideshell wmshell terms intrinsics interchangeably precisely specific library window system include athena motif olit widget widgets intrinsics widget refers user interface abstraction created precise object subclass core class loosely refer subclass object class accurately called windowless widgets gadgets xlib interface protocol layer intrinsics typically widget xlib functions services understanding xlib helps problems software versions latest versions based software software version released expected patch patch athena widgets motif olit xtra related david lewis uunet craft maintains posted monthly comp windows located export contrib liam quin posts list open comp windows newmarch canberra posts list motif comp windows motif peter ware ware ohio state posts list comp windows intrinsics export contrib application core dump signals alarms cthreads xlib widget sets mutual exclusion critical sections interrupt handler leave libraries inconsistent state flags dangling pointers middle list traversal note ansi standard points behavior signal handler undefined signal handler calls function signal problem specific xlib posix specification mentions functions called safely assumed functions called xlib functions safe deal signals flag interrupt handler flag checked work procedure timeout callback incorrect interrupt handler note dangerous work procedure finishes effectively preempts work procedures previously added called option open pipe event loop read xtappaddinput signal handler write byte write pipe signal deadlock process pipe fills intrinsics deal problem primarily supposed portable layer hardware operating system good reason note article journal reilly volume error visual default requires complicated answer window things visual specific visual colormap border pixmap widgets colormap borderpixmap resource shell widgets visual resources questions deals shells visual default resources copyfromparent shell widget copyfromparent evalulated defaultvisualofscreen defaultcolormapofscreen resources properly badmatch error occurs window created properly values depends visual work parts answer application start visual shell application start visual easier basic information harder initialize toolkit order determine needed information sample code start application default visual compile visual visual lxaw lxmu lxext visual geometry depth visual staticcolor blue yellow move mouse visuals colormap install include include include typedef struct visual visual depth optionsrec optionsrec options xtresource resources visual visual xtrvisual sizeof visual xtoffsetof optionsrec visual xtrimmediate null depth depth xtrint sizeof xtoffsetof optionsrec depth xtrimmediate null xrmoptiondescrec desc visual visual xrmoptionseparg null depth depth xrmoptionseparg null main argc argv argc char argv xtappcontext application context widget toplevel widget display display char xargv saved argument vector xargc saved argument count colormap colormap created colormap xvisualinfo vinfo template find visual xvisualinfo vinfo list returned list visuals count number matchs args cardinal char test char class test save command line arguments xargc argc xargv char xtmalloc argc sizeof char bcopy char argv char xargv argc sizeof char creates dummy toplevel widget retrieve visual resource xtappinitialize class desc xtnumber desc argc argv string null args xtdisplay xtgetapplicationresources options resources xtnumber resources args options visual options visual defaultvisualofscreen xtscreen xtsetarg args xtnvisual options visual create colormap default colormap based class visual examine property rootwindow find colormap sorts things colormap xcreatecolormap rootwindowofscreen xtscreen options visual allocnone xtsetarg args xtncolormap colormap find information visual vinfo visualid xvisualidfromvisual options visual vinfo list xgetvisualinfo visualidmask vinfo count vinfo list count xtsetarg args xtndepth vinfo list depth xfree xpointer vinfo list xtdestroywidget create real toplevel widget xtsetarg args xtnargv xargv xtsetarg args xtnargc xargc xtappcreateshell char null class applicationshellwidgetclass args display application loop handling events xtrealizewidget xtappmainloop return visual application point argued opinion application visual user disagree application falls category default visual hardware specific expects visual truecolor overlayplane extension application runs isolation depending server allocates resources application truecolor mode mess applications upset chooses greyscale psuedocolor monochrome color server visuals monochrome entry colormap static gray static color truecolor iris offer truecolor truecolor overlay plane shell widgets visual strictly convention makes arbitrary widget visual found shell widget ancestor obtaining visual shell widget visual resource realize method visual calls xcreatewindow make resource obtained xtgetvalues widgets find reasonable xtnvisual visual depth colormap shells inherit default resources copyfromparent interpreted defaultcolormapofscreen defaultdepthofscreen default visual screen widget parent applicationshellwidgetclass root widget tree parent widget null shell copies colormap depth parent copyfromparent visual badmatch error resource converters improperly cache references true earlier versions motif widget destroyed call xtdestroywidget section specification eventually destroyed immediately intrinsics destroy widget phase process children flag destroyed list widgets destroyed pending events references widget cleaned memory freed phase performed callbacks event handlers actions completed checking event point list traversed widget memory free things caveats trivia widgets destroyed intrinsics determine references widgets list phase destruction occurs immediately nested event loops widgets destroy list entering event loop destroyed returning outer event loop exit execute destroycallbacks problem simple reasonable approach exiting application calling exit directly widget chance clean external state open sockets temporary files allocated resources code simplicity reasons assumes single toplevel widget widget toplevelget widget widget find toplevel widget xtparent xtparent empty return void exitcallback closure call data widget widget xtpointer closure data xtpointer call data widget specific data widget toplevel toplevel toplevelget xtunmapwidget toplevel make disappear quickly xtdestroywidget toplevel exit code exit immediately destroying toplevel widget trouble phase destruction occur works widgets applications work widgets external state works work remember part reason object oriented approach ignorant implementation details widget means widget change someday require external state cleaned destroy callbacks alternative modify exitcallback global flag test flag private event loop private event loops frowned encourage sloppy difficult maintain practices code include extern widget toplevelget needfunctionprototypes widget endif extern boolean exitworkproc needfunctionprototypes xtpointer closure endif extern void exitcallback needfunctionprototypes widget xtpointer closure xtpointer call data endif widget toplevelget widget widget find toplevel widget xtparent xtparent empty return void exitcallback closure call data widget widget xtpointer closure data xtpointer call data widget specific data widget toplevel toplevel toplevelget xtunmapwidget toplevel make disappear quickly xtdestroywidget toplevel xtappaddworkproc xtwidgettoapplicationcontext exitworkproc xtpointer null boolean exitworkproc closure xtpointer closure exit notreached exitcallback adds work procedure called application idle events processed destroy callbacks executed resize shell widget realized resize shell widget proper thing resize managed child shell widget xtsetvalues geometry change propagated shell asks window manager request shell resource xtnallowshellresize true window manager grant request shell resize change position shell xtsetvalues shell child limits window manager granted xtappaddinput handle files unix semantics ready file peoples intuitive model unix terms file descriptor ready reading read call block ignoring setting optional flags block works expected terminals sockets pipes file read return return data result code intrinsics calls input handler thinks read culprit select system call sysv based poll system call unix system approach process check input file pipe connect application process pass file descriptor pipe xtappaddinput suitable program systems tail filename rumored select systems completely reliable work thousand times stop event woke result race condition kernel claims pyramid work ultrix possibly pipes implemented sockets completely broken writing side wrote byte blocks reading side received broken pipe byte time waste time reading small blocks raound detecting situation select ignore pipe mseconds block note descriptions unix terminology read file descriptor pipes dependent area identical systems intrinsic designers felt common operation included part toolkit deal signals point good books magazines favorite definitive reference perspective offers reasonable introduction full details intrinsics started familiar concepts newcomers find found accurate complete means pages asente paul swick ralph window system toolkit complete programmer guide specification digital press isbn order number prentice hall isbn direct digital book commonly recomend novices young doug window system applications programming motif version prentice hall isbn isbn reilly entire series manuals reilly ordering volume reference manual page style edition extensively overhauled manual pages finding permutted index references manual pages great deal chasing related information read periodicals resource journal dealing specifically resource published quarterly reilly issues consortium technical conference proceedings advertising found informative pretty good depth orders call email cathyr editorial matters email adrian table contents posted math utah form published oreilly xresource ascii form journal bimonthly trade lots advertising articles informative oriented technical audience read expectation learning great deal remember represent fairly small percentage people pretty good collection people advisory board columnists call widgets popular widget sets athena provided sufficient purposes ugly side recently export contrib motif license commonly shipped workstation vendors platforms good works personally poorly implemented olit open intrinsics toolkit widgets implementing open specification developed comment quality heard rumours pain addition collection widgets xtra library widgets sale graphical software technology includes graph stacked graph line graph chart plot hypertext spreadsheet data entry form widgets comment free widget foundation attempting collect freely widgets included pixmap editor filedialog current widgets obtained anonymous machine uiuc file shar cornell university widgets gene dykes early widget sets released nice appearance buttons mini command language widely sony widget days disappear looked promise widgets precursor motif originally written exists diffs work pretty good widget died precursor xray toolkit originally implemented apparently provided experience designers widget working primitive give archive ohio state specialized widgets implements tabular layout widgets supports motif widgets children part plots athena plotting widgets athena widgets contact alternatives intrinsics language vendor xview parcplace interviews stanford sprite berkeley admire skill designing implementing intrinsics alternative develop years object oriented language eyes open expect change time language starts gaining acceptance pass float xtsetvalues wrong structure essentially typdef struct string long code xtsetarg expands normal type conversions integer floating point copied widget resource pattern wildly required floating point macro athena widgets document recomending previous suggestions define xtsetfloatarg sizeof float sizeof xtargval xtsetarg xtargval xtargval xtsetarg write resource converter courtesy rich thomson rthomson discussion resource converters assumes intrinsics resource converters changed destructors caching converted values main types resource converters string data type data type string data type data type string data type string data type converter fixed strings converted data type values enumerated names enumerated values true false case string data type converter compare resource list fixed strings readily accomplished quark mechanism resource manager resource turned quark unique representation string fits single word resource quark compared quarks fixed strings representing enumerated values enumerated strings converter converters small number enumeration strings global initialization routine turn resource strings quarks time converters strings turned quarks held static variables invocation converters data type string type converter slightly easier string data type converters quarks data type simply converted string sprintf data type string converters applications convert internal data type string write valid resource specification file mechanism provide snapshot application state file snapshot restore program state usual resource database mechanisms taking trouble write string data type converter extra effort write data type string converter writing time helps ensure consistent data type data type type converter convert existing data type data type instance pixel converted data type separate fields green blue type signature resource converter typedef boolean xttypeconverter display xrmvalueptr cardinal xrmvalueptr xrmvalueptr xtpointer display xrmvalueptr args cardinal args xrmvalueptr fromval xrmvalueptr toval xtpointer converter data converter invoked fromval argument points source resource manager toval argument points destination resource manager converter data argument opaque pointer converter specific data converter registered args args arguments extra information passed converter invoked instance pixel structure converter discussed colormap visual arguments lookup pixel obtain values pixel care toval argument xrmvalue type definition specifies size location converted typedef struct unsigned size caddr addr xrmvalue xrmvalueptr converter invoked address point location size converted location null case converter ensure size destination area large handle converted destination area large converter size amount space needed return false caller ensure space allocated reinvoke converter size large converter simply copy converted space return true location null converter assign location address static variable converted return true writing group converters code repeated convenient define macro define type toval addr toval size size sizeof type return false type toval addr toval addr caddr toval size sizeof type return true define donestr toval addr toval size size sizeof string return false toval addr caddr toval size sizeof string return true inside converter good idea perform safety checking args args arguments ensure converter called properly written converter register intrinsics intrinsics invokes resource converters creating widgets fetching resource values resource database register converter single application context xtappsettypeconverter void xtappsettypeconverter context converter args args cache destructor xtappcontext context string string xttypeconverter converter xtconvertarglist args cardinal args xtcachetype cache xtdestructor destructor register converter application contexts xtsettypeconverter void xtsettypeconverter converter args args cache destructor string string xttypeconverter converter xtconvertarglist args cardinal args xtcachetype cache xtdestructor destructor intrinsics routines xtappaddconverter xtaddconverter superseded xtappsettypeconverter xtsettypeconverter newer routines converter registered intrinsics cache argument specifies converted resource values cached xtcachenone cache converted values xtcacheall cache converted values xtcachebydisplay cache converted values display basis caching converted values require round trip server good idea instance string pixel conversions destructor argument routine invoked resource destroyed cached reference count decremented widget owning destroyed xtdestructor type definition typedef void xtdestructor xtappcontext xrmvalueptr xtpointer xrmvalueptr cardinal xtappcontext context xrmvalueptr xtpointer converter data xrmvalueptr args cardinal args destructor invoked free auxiliary storage argument free storage pointed argument addr destructor passed extra arguments passed converter conversion performed instance colormap visual arguments string pixel converter destructor free allocated pixel colormap private data passed converter registered sample converter code found files distribution converters contrib pext converters contrib pext converters open multiple displays multi user application software resource issue summer oliver jones complete coverage issues involved answer based article nutshell xtopendisplay display single application context xtclosedisplay shutdown display remove application context real problems occur close display happen ways user selects quit button displays user window manager send delete window message server disconnect possibly killclient message server shutdown crash network failure assume deal gracefully problem translating widget display removing display read oliver jones article difficult handle based oliver jones article include difficult problem difficulty arises xlib design presumed error unrecoverable fatal essentially true single display based application true multiple display program application things display information server error occurs error handler called returns exit setjmp longjmp avoid returning error handler code fragment demonstrates include xiorecover void xiohandler display destroydisplay longjmp xiorecover main setjmp xiorecover xsetioerrorhandler xiohandler xtappmainloop context destroydisplay display pointer back application specific data perform cleanup call xtclosedisplay unfamiliar setjmp longjmp setjmp called returns save information execution longjmp return program state setjmp executed return setjmp argument longjmp caveats purpose adequate problems resource converters improperly cache resources symptoms xlib errors badcolor badatom badfont problems total number displays open typically limited number file descriptors typical authorization problems connect display discussion comp windows topic november robert scheifler posted article basically xlib change changed addresses intrinsics general release incomplete list functions added deprecated listed brevity primary goal information retrieved chapter intrinsics manual reilly volume edition addition gadgets windowless widgets resource type converter interface handle cacheing additional data variable argument list interface define xtspecificationrelease added release wmshellpart toplevelshellpart transientshellpart changed incompatibly core initialize core values added arglist count parameters event handlers continue dispatch parameter added core values specification changed core compress exposure changed enumerated data type boolean core class inited changed enumerated data type boolean constraint values hook added extension record core initialize hook obsolete info passed core initialize shell root geometry manager added extension record core values hook obsolete info passed core values calling xtquerygeometry store complete geometry added unrealizecallback xttranslatecoords works psuedo resource basetranslation added searching default files made flexible customization resource added screen resource database support permanently allocated strings permanetly allocated strings required class fields args argument xtappinitialize xtvaappinitialize xtopendisplay xtdisplayinitialize xtinitialize changed cardinal performance improvements summarized article performance improvements release gabe beged resource issue xrmstringtoquark augmented xrmpermstringtoquark avoid string copies fields class record needing permanent strings array strings resources callback lists redesigned memory translation manager redesigned rewritten takes memory translation tables merges faster cache action bindings keycode keysyms cached sharing modifiable fields window widget translation space faster malloc space widget quark widget space allocated include constraints programs reduction memory usage functions xtallocategc sharable modifiable fields xtgetactionlist action table class xtscreendatabase return resource database screen xtsetlanguageproc register language procedure called locale functions xtappaddactionhook procedure call action xtappinitialize lots initialization work xtappreleasecacherefs decrement cache reference count converter xtappsetfallbackresources default resources xtappsettypeconverter register style converter xtcallcallbacklist directly execute callback list xtcallconverter invoke style converter xtcallbackreleasecacheref release cached resource xtcallbackreleasecachereflist release list cached resource values xtconvertandstore find call resource converter xtdirectconvert invoke style converter xtdisplayofobject return display xtdisplaystringconversionwarning issue warning conversion xtfindfile find file xtgetactionkeysym retrieve keysym modifies action xtgetapplicationnameandclass return class xtgetconstraintresourcelist constraints widget xtgetkeysymtable return keycode keysym mapping table xtgetmulticlicktime read multi click time xtgetselectionrequest retrieve selectionrequest event xtgetselectionvalueincremental obtain selection incrementally xtgetselectionvaluesincremental obtain selection incrementally xtinitializewidgetclass initialize widget class manually xtinserteventhanlder register event handler xtinsertraweventhandler register event handler modify input mask xtisobject test subclass object xtisrectobj test subclass rectobj xtkeysymtokeycodelist return list keycodes xtlasttimestampprocessed retrieve recent event time xtmenupopdown action popping widget xtmenupopup action popping widget xtoffsetof macro structure offsets xtownselectionincremental make selection data availabe incrementally xtpoupspringloaded spring loaded popup xtregistergrabaction action procedure passive grab xtremoveactiohhook remove function called action xtresolvepathname find file xtscreenofobject return screen object xtsetmulticlicktime multi click time xtsetwmcolormapwindows colormap windows custom colormaps xtungrabbutton cancel passive button grab xtungrabkey cancel passive grab xtungrabkeybard release active keyboard grab xtungrabpointer release active pointer grab xtva varags interfaces bunch functions xtwindowofobject return window nearest widget ancestor deprecated replacement xtaddactions xtappaddactions xtaddconverter xtappaddconverter xtaddinput xtappaddinput xtaddtimeout xtappaddtimeout xtaddworkproc xtappaddworkproc xtconvert xtconvertandstore xtcreateapplicationshell xtappcreateshell xtdestroygc xtreleasegc xterror xtapperror xtgeterrordatabase xtappgeterrordatabase xtgeterrordatabasetext xtappgeterrordatabasetext xtgetselectiontimeout xtappgetselectiontimeout xtinitialize xtappinitialize xtmainloop xtappmainloop menupopdown action xtmenupopdown action menupopup action xtmenupopup action xtnextevent xtappnextevent xtpeekevent xtappeekevent xtpending xtappending xtseterrorhandler xtappseterrorhandler xtseterrormsghandler xtappseterrormsghandler xtsetselectiontimeout xtappsetselectiontimeout xtsetwarninghandler xtappsetwarninghandler xtsetwarningmsghandler xtappsetwarningmsghandler xtwarning xtappwarning xtwarningmsg xtappwarningmsg resources loaded resources widget filled places highest priority lowest priority args passed creation time command line arguments user host defaults file user defaults file user application default file system wide application default file note read application startup result steps single resource database queries host defaults file customizations applications executing specific computer file xenvironment environment variable file home xdefaults user defaults file obtained resource manager property root window display file home xdefaults typically program xrdb resource manager property note small client connects display transfer property size kbyte reasonable toolkits track resource manager user application default files customizations specific application intrinsics flexible file found read part describes environment variables effect file found system wide application default files typically found defaults file found fallback resources intrinsics flexible file found read part describes environment variables effect file found oliver jones environment variables control resources loaded based programs xfilesearchpath xuserfilesearchpath xapplresdir environment variables control application defaults files application initializing loads defaults file path defined xfilesearchpath path defined xuserfilesearchpath xfilesearchpath software installed system defaults files directory hierarchies suppose running open windows applications installed defaults xfilesearchpath defaults files openwin openwinhome located setenv xfilesearchpath openwinhome environment variable colon separated list pathnames pathnames replacement characters xtresolvepathname filename parameter application class file type case literal string defaults customization resource suffix defaults language locale codeset language part territory part display language string codeset part display language string suppose application class myterm suppose open windows installed openwin notice omits locale specific lookup means defaults myterm openwinhome means openwin defaults myterm application initializes open defaults files order shown finds reads stops effect path search openwin time xuserfilesearchpath file myterm current working directory myterm directory defaults setenv xuserfilesearchpath home defaults path list expands myterm expands home defaults myterm convenient setting debugging imake convention naming defaults file myterm application source directory application directory working resources loaded properly note default files xuserfilesearchpath bizarre reason type file suffix defined useless twist customization resource myterm application myterm customization color pathname specifications defaults expanded pathname defaults myterm color substitution character takes customization resource default xfilesearchpath compiled note sites replace projectroot batch default settings default xuserfilesearchpath compiled xapplresdir user home directory xapplresdir xuserfilesearchpath default ignores xapplresdir altogether notice quick dirty making application find defaults file current working directory xapplresdir single machinery worked differently compatibilty people xapplresdir slash order callbacks executed courtesy donna converse converse intrinsics library guarantee order widget writer application writer ability modify entire contents callback list intrinsics guarantee order execution application programmer rely widget writer widget writer required document widget remove callbacks list effect functionality contained callback independent functionality contained callbacks list standard definition xtaddcallback callback specifies callback list procedure appended infer word appended callback routines called order added callback list widget visible courtesy donna converse converse building widget visible visible interest field core window completely obscured core visible flag false window iconified flag stays true implemented correctly demonstrates deficiency protocol core widget reflecting capabilities protocol deficiency information case inconvenient specification accurate paragraphs section read section carefully visible field change response iconification visibilitynotify event received window viewable unviewable widget ancestor unmapped iconification occurs protocol deficiency visibility state viewable state specific meanings protocol glossary xlib protocol reference manual problem window manager window manager problem fastest determine window iconified application writer track global boolean action routine translations mapnotify unmapnotify shell widget custom widget custom widget writer state field returned call xgetwindowattributes suggestions reparent widget xtreparentwidget xtmalloc xtfree code calls malloc realloc calloc ignore possibility returning null handled type malloc sizeof type perror malloc xyzzy exit handle common case intrinsics define functions xtmalloc xtcalloc xtnew xtnewstring xtrealloc standard language functions malloc calloc realloc execute xterrormsg null returned error handlers supposed return effectively exits addition xtrealloc called null pointer xtmalloc initial space code type malloc sizeof type type realloc sizeof type count count written xtrealloc sizeof count xtfree accepts null pointer argument generally found functions conveniant anytime allocating potentially large standard functions fully recover memory errors xtnew xtnewstring conveniant macros allocating structure copying string struct xyzzy char char abcdef xyzzy xtnew struct takes care type casting xtnewstring strict interpretation intrinsics reference manual implementation provide functions exchangable malloc free code char xtmalloc free work personally call implementation broken complain vendor common error motif programmers xtfree string xmstringfree debug application recomend purify pure software great package tracing memory problems pricey recomend excuse marketing blurb contact support info purify inserts additional checking instructions directly object code produced existing compilers instructions check memory read write performed program test detect types access errors reading unitialized memory writing past malloc bounds writing freed memory purify inserts checking logic code program including party vendor object code libraries verifies system call interfaces addition purify tracks memory usage identifies individual memory leaks adaption garbage collection techniques purify comprehensive memory access checking slows target program typically factor alternative package pricey runs unix pretty similar features sentinel debugging environment replaces malloc library functions additional checks contact cpcahil info sort xlib error synchronous mode easily accomplished sync command line argument setting variable xdebug debugger break point exit trace back original xlib function called synchronous mode actual error occured number calls xlib previously xlib calls buffered replies server asynchronous trouble window layout undocumented resource xtidentifywindows class resource xtdebug widget identified window xload xtdebug true xwininfo tree give normal information widget class window included checking location size errant widgets trouble geometry managers test widget manages children export contrib libxtgeo acts filter children geometry manager checks behaviour clever idea unfortunate problem debugging callback application executing grab keyboard mouse pulldown menu server effectively locks machine kill debugger manually server locks application debugged access keyboard application stopped waiting debugger waiting commands give input application stopped debug kind problem machines desk running program debugger environment machine running application possibly command sequence othermachine xhost thismachine thismachine setenv display othermachine thismachine application favorite debugger othermachine xhost thismachine thismachine application environment display othermachine codecenter interpreter graphical debugger method dealing explicitely calling xlib functions release grabs breakpoints debugging widget problems requires pretty good debugging skills knowledge widgets work long knowing internals widget understanding widget works judicious conditional breakpoints adding print statements debugger great deal xtaddinput xtaddtimeout xtaddworkproc work delicate problem routines xtaddinput xtaddtimeout xtaddworkproc problem application registred properly made handy testprogram works perfect real application introduction xtapp functions obsoleted routines default application context created events timeouts distributed application context basis application contexts events toplevel xtappinitialize class desc xtnumber desc argc argv fallback args xtaddtimeout xtaddworkproc xtappmainloop invoke timeout implement drag drop courtesy roger reynolds rogerr drag drop buzzword moving data clients intuitive fashion motif version supports drag drop capabilities openlook supported protocols compatable published wrote package called designed flexible public protocol drag drop operations clients intention provide tool make easy people support standard drag drop protocol programs develop contribute sell widget long based implementation based understanding iccm conventions details read code heard dozens people feel works motif stuff neat constrained motif latest stuff netcom rogerr possibly older version export contrib pete ware ware ohio state dept ohio state university bolz hall neil columbus 
teleuse organization motorola land mobile products sector nntp posting host lines article hubec hubert chou writes good ideas integrate code elegantly teleuse interface architect generated code source great suggestions hubie chou hubec great deal support good support teleuse teleuse call method module language interface code application code real neat stuff coming teleuse regard give details talk local sales lowdown furture code integrates teleuse teleuse examples thermometer steve vranyes voice mail stevevr comm post motorola algonquin schaumburg 
root xloadimage onroot article organization division cypress lines nntp posting host related note display colored gifs root display display backdrop style manager able override puts vandenbrande address school address forwards uucp uunet uupsi 
strange exposure problem organization netcom line communication services guest lines write motif program interactive unix machine observing strange behavior program attempts expose drawingarea xlib operations work expose consist xfillrectangle calls xdrawpoint calls reasons unknown point calls failing pulldown popup menu clicked moved rightward direction drawing area move part drawing area consistently pulldown popup moved leftward direction assuming code incredibly server zack smith 
organization youngstown state youngstown free lines nntp posting host heard packages support linux free unix package appeal sounds pretty good found garbo uwusa demo files drivers started josh joshua weage snail spring baroda mail cwru fidonet joshua weage ideas elses 
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widget source code needed organization university california berkeley lines nntp posting host ucsee berkeley writing widgets sample widget source code find archives accessible anonymous information edward 
converting color pixmap summary convert color color pixmap keywords pixmap nntp posting host turquoise organization motorola cellular infrastructure group lines looked sections answer motif application written couple files pict scanned color scanner able convert files format read application displayed background main window preferably pixmaps ximage found functions pbmplus program suite convert monochrome color looked reads writes formats found write file read pixmap easy email responses preferred mark ahlenius mark mark ahlenius voice email ahlenius rtsg motorola arlington 
honors degrees reply citri organization catt centre citri melbourne australia lines comp windows justin kibell systems programmer xmelba project team collaborative information technology research institute melbourne internet catt citri phone australia 
building keywords organization catt centre citri melbourne australia lines people send hints building pitfalls avoided hints hearing peoples stories liddelow fork systems programmer centre advanced technology telecommunications brain citri melbourne australia internet catt citri phone 
reposting international obfuscated code contest rules expires reply chongo landon noll distribution world organization nebula consultants francisco lines keywords iocc received number requests reposting international obfuscated code contest rules guidelines people requested rules posted wider groups cross posting technical clarifications made rules guidelines diff marks hand edge rules guidelines year remain people process submitting entries iocc worry chongo chongo larry bassel shell archive shar made chongo source directory existing files overwritten shar length mode rules guidelines mkentry obfuscate info rules echo extracting rules text rules international obfuscated code contest rules xcopyright landon curt noll larry bassel xall rights reserved permission personal education profit xgranted provided copyright notice included entirety xand remains unaltered receive prior permission writing xfrom landon curt noll larry bassel obfuscate cated cating cates render obscure darken confuse emotions obfuscated judgment llat obfuscare darken intensive fuscare darken xrules volume entries follow rules entry complete program entry entry replaces older entry xtitle title entry comments xentry entry number inclusive entry xdate date time submission comments xhost machine entry tested indented lines needed remark place remarks entry section helpful indent remarks spaces requirement avoid column blank lines permitted author xname xorg school company organization xaddr postal address indented lines continue forget include country xemail email address site registered domain give forms list separate indented lines xanon remain anonymous publish info info program info file place uuencoded copy xthis section case multiple info files multiple info xsections entry info file skip section build xplace uuencoded copy command compile build program section uudecode file named build resulting xfile bytes program xplace uuencoded copy program section uudecode xinto file named prog resulting file follow rule format title match expression characters length suggested required title incorporate username case multiple authors parts usernames authors date entry section respect format date returned asctime locale guidelines info correct revise previously submitted entry sending contest email address entry section corrected entry title entry number submittion corrected note resubmittion remark exception header text format judges judges remark section send separate email message judges information author section published respective author anon line credit multiple authors include author section author start author line found entry build sections entry remarks include program program sample args input special compile execution instructions special filename requirements rule information data files program obfuscated note entry submission previous entry remarks humorous entry remarks suggest portions remarks entry wins award info files supplement entry required exist entry info file skip info section entry multiple info files multiple info sections info file describe info file remark section entry selected winner modified build incorporated makefile build removed prog renamed entry title optional digit entry compiled file entry title possibly digit entry requires build file exist state entry remark section makefile arranged execute build shell script build information build shell script entry title possibly digit needed entry remarks entry changed order deal filenames build file source resulting executable treated read files entry modify files make modify copy file occurs state entry remarks entries compiled ansi compiler rejected common extensions permitted long compile errors ansi compilers program original work programs public domain copyrighted programs rejected entries received prior essentially equivalent greenwich time email entries apple pyramid uunet hoptoad obfuscate obfuscate request message subject iocc entry request hold emailing entries early entries accepted attempt email confirmation author entries received person submit entries contest year entry separate email letter entries requiring human interaction built allowed compiling entry produce file files executed programs require special privileges setuid setgid super user special owner group allowed xfor information judging landon noll larry bassel send questions comments contest apple pyramid uunet hoptoad judges address judges submitting entries rules guidelines change year year current rules guidelines prior submitting entries obtain send email address subject send rules obtain winners previous contests date host user anonymous pass yourname iocc resort previous winners obtained sending email address subject send year winners year single digit year year range xchongo chongo xlarry bassel shar chmod rules echo restore rules failed rules test echo original size current size guidelines echo extracting guidelines text guidelines international obfuscated code contest guidelines hints comments xcopyright landon curt noll larry bassel xall rights reserved permission personal education profit xgranted provided copyright notice included entirety xand remains unaltered receive prior permission writing xfrom landon curt noll larry bassel xabout file file intended people submit entries international obfuscated code contest iocc short iocc rules comments guidelines viewed hints suggestions entries violate guidelines remain rules allowed safer remain guidelines read current iocc rules prior submitting entries rules typically guidelines draft noted change bars xwhat entry format program mkentry updated entry format reject entries compiled ansi compiler obfuscation hacks ansi compilers fits longer permitted issues deal integral array types variable number arguments preprocessor directives exit function likes dislikes xhints suggestions encouraged examine winners previous contests information details previous winners mind rules change year year winning entries valid entries year unique year year entry examined number ways typically apply number tests entry original source convert ansi graphs ascii process source ignoring include lines process source ignoring define include lines beautifier examine algorithm lint compile execute entry tests entry remains obscure cleaned processor beautifier entry tests cases test important entries compete strangest creative source layout terms algorithm hand entries inclined pick entry interesting avoid limiting creativity rules leave contest open creative rule interpretation real life programming interpreting requirements document customer request important reason award worst abuse rules entry illustrates point ironic plan abuse rules suggest remarks section note invitation abuse invitation break strict byte size limit abusing entry format annoy amuse realize holes rules invite entries attempt exploit award worst abuse rules plug hole year attempt smallest plug needed smaller check program works make effort debug entry slight problem final round hand entries fall work tend prime number printer claims prime number documenting noting entry prints power prime mistake save entry strange feature entry correctly working entry xour likes dislikes masses defines obscure source tend masses defines processor tests apply simply abusing defines dfoo program rounded confusion ansi compilers dislike code define define preprocessor directives define ifdef leading character line preprocessors whitespace leading exit function returns void systems entries assume returns small programs short obscure concise programs complex winners serve purpose program people attempt completely understand reason programs compact instructional line programs short line programs bytes long close bytes long opinion tend dislike programs hardware specific version specific index strchr differences socket streams specific code dump core compiler warnings warn remark header item compile abusing build file size limit obfuscate excessive ansi graphs longer similar previous winners identical previous losers cramped space entering liner category suggest format program creative simply forming excessively long lines build file size limit thing make bytes order squeeze source size limit feel free make build file space show amount restraint allowed whitespace cases impact program size point source simply compact blob characters versions program compact blob code formatted typical program tend favor version version program formatted interesting obfuscated suggest avoid smallest replicating program amazed sizes claim smallest wrong replicating programs fact number winners replicating avoid claim smallest smaller client entries portable entries adapt wide collection environments favored depend type display depend color size require backing store client entries avoid related libraries software wide spread client entries restrict level xlib athena widget libx libxaw libxmu libxt openl toolkits avoid depending window manager people stuck back earlier target requiring make entry version window systems client entries depend items xdefaults note required lines remark section programs concise small quasi interesting pass lint complaint requirement nice portable unique obfuscation style make number types obfuscation make laugh throw types programs excel areas program excel areas areas freely admit interesting creative humorous comments remark section helps chance winning read twisted entries enjoy good laugh readers contest winners creative xentry format order process entries request assistance formatting entries format addition quickly separate information author program judging process provided program mkentry format entries aware warning found mkentry program attempts implement iocc rules attempt made make program produces entry conforms contest rules cases program differs contest rules contest rules check contest rules submitting entry required mkentry convenient attempts uuencode needed files attempt check entry size rules suggestions comments fixes complaints mkentry program send email judges sample entry entry xrule xfix xtitle chonglab xentry xdate xhost remark obfuscated obfuscated program prize expect short author xname landon curt noll xorg iocc judging group xaddr toad hall francisco california xemail chongo xanon author xname larry bassel xorg iocc judging group xaddr toad hall francisco california xemail hoptoad xanon info xbegin info file xend build xbegin build special build limit list entries good declared winners start final round invent awards categories final round process perform difficult tasks reducing remaining entries typically winners confident entries make final round make selection winners final round clear final round entry good beat similar slightly entry reason worthwhile enter improved version entry failed previous year assumes entry worth improving place select small entry line strange creative layout entry entry abuses contest rules traditionally pick entry entry simply exceeds entry picked number categories xannouncement winners announcement occurs summer usenix conference tradition part uunet iocc prior berkeley bsdi winning entries posted late june groups comp lang comp unix wizards sources addition pointers postings posted comp sources sources misc misc comp sources misc comp windows winning entries deposited uunet archives details winning entries published selected magazines winners appeared books hackers dictionary shirts winners receive international fame flames xfor information contact judges sending email address apple pyramid uunet hoptoad judges address judges submitting entries questions comments contest rules guidelines change year year current rules guidelines prior submitting entries obtain send email address subject send rules obtain winners previous contests date host user anonymous pass yourname iocc resort previous winners obtained sending email address subject send year winners year single digit year year range xchongo chongo xlarry bassel shar chmod guidelines echo restore guidelines failed guidelines test echo original size current size echo part continue part exit sunnyvale residents vote landon noll sunnyvale city council seat 
reposting international obfuscated code contest rules expires reply chongo landon noll distribution world organization nebula consultants francisco lines keywords iocc received number requests reposting international obfuscated code contest rules guidelines people requested rules posted wider groups cross posting technical clarifications made rules guidelines diff marks hand edge rules guidelines year remain people process submitting entries iocc worry chongo chongo larry bassel part multipart archive mkentry echo extracting mkentry text mkentry mkentry copyright landon curt noll larry bassel rights reserved permission personal education profit granted provided copyright notice included entirety remains unaltered receive prior permission writing landon curt noll larry bassel mkentry make international obfuscated code contest entry usage mkentry remarks build prog iocc entry remarks file remarks entry build file prog built prog obfuscated program source file iocc entry iocc entry output file compile mkentry mkentry public domain landon curt noll software provided express implied warranties including limitation implied warranties merchantability fitness purpose warning program attempts implement iocc rules attempt made make program produces entry conforms contest rules cases program differs contest rules contest rules check contest rules submitting entry information contact judges sending email address apple pyramid uunet hoptoad judges address judges submitting entries questions comments contest rules guidelines change year year current rules guidelines prior submitting entries obtain send email address subject send rules obtain winners previous contests date host user anonymous pass yourname iocc resort previous winners obtained sending email address subject send year winners year single digit year year range contest rules change year year program year intended rule year define matches current year include include include include include logic ifndef true define true endif true ifndef false define false endif false define true define false global limits define rule year note match current year define start date confirmation received define column line define build size build size define program size program source size define program size program source size counting whitespace whitespace define title chars title define entry length entry input line define entry number entries person year define file filename length info file send entries define entry addr apple pyramid uunet hoptoad obfuscate define entry addr obfuscate uuencode process assumes ascii define uuencode encode define uuencode uuencode chunk size define uuinfo mode mode info file uuencode file define uubuild mode mode build file uuencode file define uubuild build build file uuencode file define uuprog mode mode program uuencode file define uuprog prog program uuencode file encode char uuencoded character xchar encode global declarations xchar program xlong start time startup time forward declarations xvoid parse args xvoid usage xfile open remark xfile open build xfile open program xfile open output xvoid output entry xvoid output remark xvoid output author xvoid output info xvoid output build xvoid output program xvoid output xint line xvoid output till xint xvoid check xvoid uuencode xmain argc argv argc count char argv args file remark null open remarks stream file build null open build file stream file prog null open program stream file output null open output stream char rname null file remarks entry char bname null file prog built char pname null obfuscated program source file char oname null iocc entry output file struct startup time structure check year start time time long gmtime start time year rule year fprintf stderr warning program applies differ argv rule year year parse command line args parse args argc argv rname bname pname oname open check input output files open truncate output file case input files output open output oname remark open remark rname build open build bname prog open program pname output null remark null build null prog null exit output section output entry output oname output remark output oname remark rname output author output oname output info output oname output build output oname build bname output program output oname prog pname output output oname flush output fflush output fprintf stderr flush error program oname perror exit final words printf nyour entry found check file oname printf correct problems verify uudecode utility printf correctly decode build file program printf program provided guide submitters printf cases conflicts rules rules apply printf responsibility ensure entry conforms printf current rules printf email entries printf entry addr printf entry addr printf subject email entry printf tiocc entry exit parse args parse command line args command line args function parses sets required flags function return command line syntax correct xvoid xparse args argc argv rname bname pname oname argc count char argv args char rname file remarks entry char bname file prog built char pname obfuscated program source file char oname iocc entry output file char optarg flag option operand flagname flag getopt parse args hand program argv argc usage notreached optarg argv save flag operand correct global variable switch flagname case rname optarg break case bname optarg break case pname optarg break case oname optarg break default usage notreached verify required flags rname null bname null pname null oname null usage notreached return usage print usage message exit function return xvoid xusage exitval exitval exit fprintf stderr usage remarks build prog iocc entry program fprintf stderr remarks tfile remarks entry fprintf stderr build tfile prog built fprintf stderr prog tthe obfuscated program source file fprintf stderr iocc entry tiocc entry output file exit exitval open remark open check remark file remark file indented spaces extend column requirements warn function returns null format error xfile xopen remark filename char filename file stream opened file stream char bufsiz input buffer toolong number lines long indent number lines indented spaces open remark input file stream fopen filename stream null fprintf stderr open remark file program filename perror return null line fgets bufsiz stream null count lines start spaces strncmp indent count long lines found line long toolong watch errors check stream filename note long lines needed toolong fprintf stderr warning line extend column program toolong filename fprintf stderr nice avoid program note indented lines needed indent fprintf stderr warning line indented spaces program indent filename fprintf stderr nice avoid program return open file rewind stream return stream open build open check build file build file longer build size bytes function returns null size error xfile xopen build filename char filename file stream opened file stream struct stat statbuf status open file open build input file stream fopen filename stream null fprintf stderr open build file program filename perror return null determine size file fstat fileno stream statbuf build size fprintf stderr fatal build file bytes long program filename statbuf size fprintf stderr longer bytes program build size return null return open file return stream open program open check program source file program source file program size fprintf stderr fatal program source file bytes long program filename statbuf size fprintf stderr longer bytes program program size return null count whitespace whitespace chars count fgetc stream whitespace isascii isspace switch case count whitespace case case peek char fgetc stream isascii isspace whitespace count ungetc stream count break default count break watch errors check stream filename special size count program size fprintf stderr fatal number bytes whitespace program fprintf stderr whitespace program fprintf stderr line char skip input skip file date pipe pipe date command time epoch seconds epoch char write start section fprintf output entry check output oname write rule year fprintf output rule rule year check output oname determine printf update resubmittion printf previous entry enter line entry printf nthe entry number inclusive entry printf enter entry number entry entry fprintf output entry entry check output oname write submission date returns newline epoch time null fprintf output date asctime gmtime epoch check output oname write machine host information printf nenter machine entry tested output till output oname host output remark output remark section read needed information form stdin write entry section xvoid xoutput remark output oname remark rname file output entry output file stream char oname output file file remark stream file remark text char rname remark file char bufsiz input output buffer write start section fprintf output remark check output oname copy remark file section fgets bufsiz remark null fputs output check output oname check remark rname remark section ends newline strlen fputc output check output oname output author output author section read needed information stdin write author section multiple authors exist multiple author sections written xvoid xoutput author output oname file output entry output file stream char oname output file char buffer auths true authors note auth number authors processed prompt user author section printf nenter information author entry printf contest deadline judges start date printf attempt email back confirmation author place author information author individual section write start section fprintf output author check output oname write author printf nauthor auth line infoname uuname uuname uuname break attempt open info file infile fopen infoname infile null fprintf stderr open info file program infoname perror continue write start section fprintf output info check output oname uuencode info file uuencode output oname infile infoname uuinfo mode uuname printf info file include enter line yorn disable check length length input line flush terminal output fflush stdout read line fgets stdin null report problem check stdin stdin newline length strlen length eatchar char eaten newline found line long rest line eatchar fgetc stdin eatchar eatchar check stdin stdin report situation return watch long lines needed maxcol length maxcol maxcol report situation return return length return length output till output lines read routine read lines including single line read format output leader tfirst line tnext line tnext line routine return error xvoid xoutput till output oname leader file output entry output file stream char oname output file char leader lead text line char bufsiz input buffer count lines read false true finished reading input instruct user input printf input enter line single period read lines count issue prompt printf count leader fflush stdout line line bufsiz leader check output oname lines read output count character length character fputc uuencode read output check output oname convert bits time convert sets bits sets uuencoded bits read read bits fputc uuencode output check output oname bits fputc uuencode output check output oname bits fputc uuencode output check output oname bits fputc uuencode output check output oname uuencode line fputc output check output oname clear input buffer depend bzero memset obfuscate info obfuscated contest information xcopyright landon curt noll larry bassel xall rights reserved permission personal education profit xgranted provided copyright notice included entirety xand remains unaltered receive prior permission writing xfrom landon curt noll larry bassel xthe international obfuscated code contest iocc sprit operation mention programming contents space xpermits xhow contest included file iocc judges include contest file send request judges request contest descriptions limited lines exceed bytes typically request contest include current description iocc order included file year receive current description earlier agreement publish contest obtained prior annual contests fail submit entry dropped file xofficial disclaimer pardon officialese contents noted iocc affiliated iocc endorsed iocc reserve refuse print information contest information provided contest organizer printed permission contact contest organizer directly contents xwith official notice present enjoyment xinformation contents international obfuscated contest original obfuscated contest obfuscate cated cating cates render obscure darken confuse emotions obfuscated judgment llat obfuscare darken intensive fuscare darken fuscus dark obfuscation obfuscatory goals contest write obscure obfuscated program rules show importance programming style ironic stress compilers unusual code illustrate subtleties language provide safe forum poor code iocc grandfather usenet programming contests contest demonstrated program simply works correctly sufficient iocc arcane word obfuscated back english language hacker dictionary eric raymond strongly encouraged read contest rules sending entries rules contest email address change time valid entry year rejected year rules typical start date contests early march contest rules finalized posted beginning contest typical closing date contests early rules guidelines change year year current rules guidelines prior submitting entries obtain send email address subject send rules obtain winners previous contests date host user anonymous pass yourname iocc resort previous winners obtained sending email address subject send year winners year single digit year year range international obfuscated perl contest landon noll larry wall content planned someday landon larry busy posting rules landon contest existing projects developed international obfuscated postscript contest jonathan monsarrat brown alena lacova alena contest programming skills knowledge exclusively postscript programming language purpose spread knowledge postscript details applaud tricks prove humans beat damnable machine generators game writing obscure mysterious postscript programs winners receive fame attention program entry posted winner programmers world wide contest rules results wilma brown postscript obfuscated shar individually obfuscated directory judges post rules november comp lang postscript usenet places send questions brown categories include obfuscated postscript artwork compact interactive program unusual creative deserves award judges choose winners category alena lacova system administrator nikhef institute high energy nuclear physics netherlands author postscript chaos programs draw julia sets mandelbrot sets kinds fractal functions jonathan monsarrat graduate student brown university maintainer usenet newsgroup comp lang postscript author postscript zone lametex shar chmod obfuscate info echo restore obfuscate info failed obfuscate info test echo original size current size exit sunnyvale residents vote landon noll sunnyvale city council seat 
problem xvertext package reply brown uucp vidiot organization vidiot hangout lines article dkarr david karr writes future display rotated text noticed xvertext package good slight problem assumes font loaded font difficult split function interface routines font xfontstruct thought author alan richardson mppa sussex syma case planning email address bounced alan current maintainer xvertext mail address mentioned brits backwards real address states mppa sussex give harvard ucbvax uwvax astroatc ftms brown ftms brown rutgers internet brown extrel ftms brown astroatc uucp wisc 
gadgets widgets article parsival organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop xpert motif managers simplistic approach handle events gadgets track events motion notify wether gadget expresses interest events result gadgets typically generate great deal network traffic terminals find noticable network performance drop result point gadgets case memory network performance tradeoff gadgets save client server memory memory easily expandable network performance designing motif make avoid gadgets present choice motif forces gadgets menus places adrian reilly associates xmgraph widget floating noticed performance significantly gadgets faster heard programming gadgets longer benefit performance widgets pushbutton gadgets quicker pushbuttons graph start putting gadgets back long pulldown menus xmgraph manages children connected xmarc widgets directed network type graph automatic layout capability bill schlumberger geco prakla internet kayser 
trouble compiling sunos nntp posting host adam organization university amsterdam lines epstein jeremy epstein writes harvard david meleedy writes description compiling problems deleted fpcc struct return bmtoa bmtoa funroll loops lxmu extensions syste head undefined symbol xgetvisualinfo xfree xinternatom sunos alluded talking affected force libxmu linked statically dynamically works linker error simplest thing edit makefiles failure change line reads xmulib xmusrc lxmu xmulib xmusrc bstatic lxmu bdynamic relevant openwindows shipped sunos relevant compile problems casper 
building keywords nntp posting host ericsson reply etxmesa ericsson michael salmon organization ericsson telecom lines article catt citri liddelow writes people send hints building pitfalls avoided hints hearing peoples stories building time trouble position independant code option broke build shared libraries important thing follow tips release generates code requires libgcc account deciding compiler libraries michael salmon include include include ericsson telecom stockholm 
pseudo motif nntp posting host solomon technet organization technet singapore lines write application motif require embedding pseudo invent wheel written motif widget pointers make beast environment motif motif helps advance arthur email arthur 
experiences desqview reply willie wilson organization analog devices limerick ireland lines sparcstations application microsoft project original system expanded unix users work application current proposal desqview display server application experiences desqview application displaying sparcstation heard network traffic slow replies mail advance willie willie wilson 
teleuse article parsival organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop xpert bill kayser good ideas integrate code elegantly teleuse interface architect generated code source great suggestions understanding release february full support xdesigner interpreter meta languages tools fully support code generation reusable templates classes generated variety handy features layout functions ways generates motif code including drag drop internationalization fits nicely doug young paradigm motif corp europe imperial software london details bill schlumberger geco prakla kayser 
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comp windows frequently asked questions summary information window system article visual expires reply craft maintenance address organization visual lines archive part modified subject based plotting program uucp sites uunet sites marked consult archie server find recent versions gnuplot xplot postscript bunch drivers export contrib gnuplot plot output comp sources unix volume graph yallara rmit graph comp sources unix volume pdraw drawplot scam berkeley local dplot scam berkeley local contour scam berkeley local drawplot uunet contrib drawplot xgraph plot zoom outputs hpgl shambhala berkeley xgraph freiburg contrib xgraph nisc jvnc xgraph comp sources volume sites xvgr xmgr plotting tools ccalmr xview version ccalmr acegr xvgr motif version ccalmr acegr xmgr mirrored export contrib acegr xgobi interactive dynamic scatter plotting tool bellcore stat general xgobi statlib email password send email statlib stat line message send xgobi general information debby swayne robot scientific 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news server subject based package latest freely xgks obtained xgks request ucar implementation derived contrib xgks university illinois release unidata ucar xgks addition grafpak advanced technology center gksul ulowell department implementation includes drivers variety devices passed window package includes fortran bindings dsrand stew stanford xgkswidget produced neil bowers neilb neilb leeds latest conforms version xgks export contrib xgks widget subject based package official release brings sample implementation server version final protocol specification anonymous export directory docs made public review draft listed file directory final pexlib document export docs pexlib university illinois implementation specification called uipex complete implementation phigs phigs file uipex uipex uiuc porting platform running questions comments uipex uiuc addition pext toolkit rich thomson rthomson export pext includes widget making easier include based programs subject based previewer xtex previewer files number archive sites including uunet current version colorado seetex converted fonts machine distribution includes mftobdf converts fonts format compiled local server xdvi previewer fairly comprehensive easy number sites including uunet export current version patchlevel subject based troff previewer previewers device independent troff supported client xditview contributed maintained xtroff earlier version xtroff appeared contributed source xditview distribution addition xman client preview troff documents macros pages psroff output viewed postscript previewer addition xproof previewer ditroff contributed marvin solomon solomon wisc version export contrib xproof elan computer group produces eroff modified troff implementation elan express eroff previewer softquad mail mail offers softquad publishing software including substantially rewritten troff formatter intermediate language backwards compatibility previewer package adopted department sold parts information darwin softquad image network toxroff offers xroff package includes fine modified troff implementation based page previewers package hardware vendors courtesy moraes toronto mark moraes subject wysiwyg interface builder release dirt interface builder richard hesketh works includes support motif widget readme builder interactive creation rapid prototyping user interfaces toolkit number widget sets dirt generates widget creation resource files distribution includes widget creation library version exception demos source code kind permission author david smyth check dirt readme dirt dirt export interviews toolkit wysiwig interface builder called ibuild ibuild generates code interviews application complete imakefile resource file documentation papers ibuild interviews stanford quest windows objectviews package includes interactive building tool druid demonstrational rapid user interface development runs sparc machines motif intended eventually full uims apparently support creating presentation components generates code info singh ngan druid system demonstrational rapid user interface development proc siggraph symp user interface software technology uist interface builder implemented addition commercial products unsorted final prerelease form product product designer widget resource hard coded written application defaults file form output user interface tools full user interface management systems information date product feel code output vendor interface motif visual edge architect uimx open express open helper visual edge uimx motif helper code visual edge distributors vuit motif digital designer motif imperial software technology sales xfacemaker motif script procedural language requests builder xcessory motif info xbuild motif nixdorf xbuild ixbuild motif ixos software karl uucp teleuse motif telesoft info motif helper sunrise info snapix motif adnt openwindows developers open xview guide xview olit postscript exocode motif expert object exocode open xview motif control language helper library fortran nasa goddard xsculptor motif openlook kovi lancorp motif australia motifation motif open motif parcplace magazine reviews complete comparisons meta file formats documentation real ease unix world unix review carry articles addition neuron data makes open interface window system independent object toolkit supports interfaces resemble supersets windows motif open package includes interface builder addition grammi builder supports development applications objects planned motif grammi written generates specs stub bodies grammi addition wysiwyg related products goals rapid prototyping application interface widget creation library basically describes widget hierarchy actions resources file fine archive servers including devvax nasa thin layer internal tweaking version current winterp xlisp based motif toolkit interpretive programming copy tape outdated copy export email winterp source hplnpm serpent uims permits building user interfaces specific knowledge coding understanding attributes motif widget beta release found serpent serpent export contrib serpent email questions serpent commercial version serpent agora aset woodhaven drive pittsburgh garnet common lisp based toolkit information garnet metacard hypertext rapid application development environment similar apple claris corporation hypercard info metacard anonymous metacard subject find tools callable shell scripts shell script menus dialog boxes user running tools contrib area developed satisfy yorn pops xmessage displays string versions tools made contrib area archive sites addition richard hesketh posted xmenu package comp sources xmenu choices versions xprompt posted comp sources unauthorized rewrite forsman thoth version xmenu comp sources worked released xpick xzap export contrib tools gerry tomlinson versions simple display choice making tools xtpanel lets user build panel interactive objects buttons sliders text fields command line simple scripting language anonymous hanauma stanford xtpanel found sources archives subject based debugger xdbx interface debugger export current version patchlevel interface called xxgdb xdbx part comp sources volume xxgdb export mxgdb motif interface tsillas jtsillas bull version released source level debugger runs sunview window systems platforms export contrib patch unix hensa misc unix mail archive hensa unofficial fixes armstrong unix hensa misc unix contrib mips produces highly customizable based visual debugger able dbxtool news server codecenter source level debugger major platforms includes based interface offers examine graphical interface interface platforms call contact examine information solbourne offers based debugger fortran toolkit runs open motif mode info offers dbxtra part development systems lucid energize programming system tightly integrated development environment programs incorporates graphical user interface extended version info lucid info subject program identically displays protocol multiplexer tools provide simultaneous display clients number machines protocol multiplexor wilma brown works independently server affect application shared developed electronic classroom conference program duplicate chalkboard displays release contrib tapes recent version wahab michael altenhofen digital equipment gmbh karlsruhe wysiwis package context computer based learning training tool provide online remote tutors general window sharing information enet found export gatekeeper contrib contrib modifications color mapping private color allocation mark handley handley xtrap implemented server library extension record replay session gatekeeper contrib xtrap export contrib xtrap wscrawl multi person paint program stanford wscrawl shar shdr implements simple shared whiteboard chalk passing mechanism parcftp xerox europarc shdr sketchpad distributed interactive graphical editor designed sketching sources posted sources incoming sketchpad nestor project upgrading window system tutoring functions michael altenhofen proceedings exug conference hewlett packard commercial product sharedx works series workstations stations machines receiving shared windows server sharedx consists server extensions motif based user interface process contact local sales information offers commercial product offers multi user confering software called showme insoft mechanicsburg offers multi user confering software called communique part scott scott peter cigehn peter trab subject topic building distribution topic updating subject good source information configuring build includes information number gotchas bite system source general information building release found release notes file bundled separately rest release separated sources copy separately file relnotes distribution file relnotes xstuff mail server addition reilly associates volume administration includes information configuring building subject work apparently problem produce fine code displays cgsix sungx distributed problem note work solaris subject sunos dlsym errors dlsym dlopen dlclose undefined link libdl eventually site surround bstatic bdynamic extra libraries variable syslibs added extra libraries eventual compilation command shared libdl compile stubs shared backo backo subject strange problem building clients sunos sunos fixed shared library conflicts builds shared library causing symbols undefined building clients wmshellwidgetclass applicationshellwidgetclass compiling bstatic lxmu bdynamic appears work solve problem openwindows based contact local office request patches patch description openwindows libxt jumbo patch openwindows undefined symbols shared libxmu greg earle earle source patch libraries developed conrad kimball boeing retrofits fixes made problem patch export contrib sunos patch version subject compile sparc compile distribution segmentation faults running note risc machines necessarily result performance increase noticeable platforms problem incompatible methods passing structures arguments returning function values compiled parts linked supplied functions pass return structs time errors occur affected programs include server manual sparc incompatible calling convention structures passes including contents argument list standard compiler passes effectively reference fixed calling conventions supported straightforward convention structure returning incompatible fpcc struct return duck problem routines incompatibilities problem solved compilation flags files compiled include server oscolor addition inet functions structs args return values clients xhost xhost clients xauth gethost calls inet addr socket xconndis possibly harmless involve structs collected bashford bashford subject errors running built xinit xsun server error interface configuration operation supported socket fatal server screens found running fixincludes script apparently work simple test include siocgifconf line output piece interest identical modulo irrelevant differences whitespace version version fixincludes work reason back sources fixincludes rebuild distribution identical running make clean server rebuilding make compiled proper include files courtesy mouse mouse mcrcim mcgill subject problems compiling older server suncg found missing defines monolen monolen enblen enblen errata list distributed mentions lines file older sunos versions compile define monolen define enblen monolen define monolen monolen define enblen monolen device references removed server suninit imakefile subject problems compiling server sunos file found omitted sunos remove include suncg replace line define vaddr color file changed earlier versions sunos copied distribution subject problems shared libraries sunos executables results libxmu found call undefined procedure gethostname building shared libraries remember ldconfig root installing shared libraries installed file server server clients building installing distribution careful avoid linking existing shared libraries distributed openwindows make library path environment build installation xterm xload setuid programs note shared libraries installed local programs work programs linked statically courtesy consortium note program mkfontdir part build attempts shared libraries installed avoid errors building mkfontdir statically pass bstatic compilers subject olit programs xtqstring undefined olit xtqstring external symbol existed libxt based documented removed guarantee upward compatibility libraries applied documented interface workaround temporarily library path point openwindows library linked program barry margolin barmar jeff francis subject sunos security hole security problem clients xterm xload running sunos installed setuid root shared libraries avoid problem make program setuid consult system administrator protection resources ptys kmem programs make create additional security problems site relink programs statically bstatic install libraries linking link absolute paths libraries scheifler version xterm automatically rebuilding xterm newly installed libraries xterm installed prevents suid program built libraries note inconvenience installation mounted disks xload rewritten avoid problem subject frame buffer security hole systems frame buffer unsecured default permits workstation peek windowing session accessing frame buffer directly privacy issue annoying accidentally start session console display check page fbtab mulder ualberta subject topic building programs subject imake imake replacement make program makefile generator takes advantages include file macro processing capabilities preprocessor generate makefiles suitable building software system specific release solve number configuration issues arise making large system widely portable imake fairly steep learning curve part process system specific configuration files system independent configuration files individual imakefiles melded produce makefile obvious versions imake versions obtain information imake sources release notes imake page include information imake build file config readme information tapes contrib imake imake mark moraes guide imake config usenixws paper paper fulton early version imake paul dubois dubois wisc written explanation imake works configuring supported systems document primate wisc directory imake stuff config troff config postscript supplemental appendices nearby document version imake papers email mail message body send imake stuff almanac wisc system administration imake friend dinah mcnutt november issue sunexpert german readers expect june article meta make make make schwerelos rainer klute multiuser multitasking magazin directed application programmers needing write imakefiles english language derivative article journal issue reilly resource issue paul davey article demystifying imake alain brossard working document full tips imake sasun epfl imakefile subject imake versions distributed releases earlier version distributed release party toolkits redistribute versions imake implementations template configuration files real standards configuration files current contributed software expects templates distributed export distribution unpacked pick imake picking entire distribution stand version imake stemming germany misc imake imake pure subject program imakefile makefile installed system xmkmf script runs imake correct arguments output makefile configured system based imakefile make makefile compile program subject link xlib shape routines compile programs link error undefined xshapequeryextension xshapecombinemask routines part shape extension shape introduced distribution rectangular windows sample server extensions shape extension server supports servers vendor supplied servers support shape extension case display rectangular windows order shape extension link library libxext distribution library includes extensions directory files despair freeware programs shape extension compiled removing dshape define makefile compile successfully older vendor supplied libraries john melby melby fujitsu subject problems xtinherit found program wrote sunos machine error symbol found xtinherit side effect kludge libxt shared libraries working apparently share function called compared xtinherit handled putting xtinherit file function guaranteeing loaded initialize xttoolkitinitialize xtinitialize reside routines called error program normal based program call xttoolkitinitialize program functions opens connection server motif problem called xtmalloc functions solution call program function executed linked alternatively program functions correct calling xttoolkitinitialize xlib xview program case remove link command link shared libraries statically solve problem jordan hayes jordan danny backx subject compile contrib programs program worked link current version message undefined xtscrollbarsetthumb xttextsetinsertionpoint xttextreplace athena widget addition header files moving mentioned release notes case functions functions part text widget renamed subject topic programming problems puzzles subject program keystrokes select window manager controls input focus transferred window order keystrokes program window manager input focus called hints window manager applications xlib based xwmhints wmhints wmhints flags inputhint wmhints input true xsetwmhints window wmhints application based intrinsics xtninput resource true case source start application resource input true window managers notably dxwm olwm picky openwindows olwm resource defaults file clients iccm compliant openwindows focuslenience true courtesy dave lemke stuart marks subject figure window manager running reliably mechanism spoofed case cases care window manager running long things iccm conformant manner cases window managers things wrong checking hints window window manager sidestep problem cases alternatively determine window manager running order advantage specific added features olwm push menus order give program added functionality beware usurping window manager functions providing functionality missing surely leads future compatibility problems subject skeleton program general framework transskel program macintosh handles lots odds ends overhead development window system platform additional development problem typically solved interactive application builder tool paste existing applications good applications manipulate test thing include contrib clients xskel simple program puts window sketching offers starting point quick hacks examples examples directory distributions xlib world helloworld tutorials helloworld updated version program xlib calls current iccm conventions posted comp windows glenn widener tektronix addition sample program rainer klute showing open multiple displays catch broken display connection export contrib mdisp subject xtgetvalues work xtgetvalues interface retrieving resources widget sensitive type variable code args sensitive oops wrong data type xtsetarg args xtnsensitive sensitive xtgetvalues widget args xtnsensitive boolean machines single byte declaring variable sensitive boolean works properly problem toolkits redefine types dimension position code assumes similar problems types short general safe actual type resource appears widget page subject xtconfigurewidget xtresizewidget xtmovewidget work functions application code internally widgets functions parent widget change geometry children promising functions xtmakegeometryrequest xtmakeresizerequest widgets case child request change parent application request geometry change widget issue xtsetvalues call setting geometry resources result widget internal functions called application code standard xtsetvalues interface risk widgets data corrupted xlib calls xmovewindow xresizewindow similarly avoided change xtnx xtny xtnwidth xtnheight subject xtreparentwidget call xreparentwindow details current implementation internals make reparenting difficult major reason call exists remains undefined resources widget resources typically based location instance hierarchy resources change instance moves happen widget children time semantics defined advantage destroying widget creating widget correct location desired resources setting resources correctly majority work creating widget note reparenting toolkit david lewis craft faqs friday david lewis temporarily speaking visual evening david craft 
screen organization swiss federal institute technology zurich lines window placement screen configure system unix avoid corner window displayed visible screen window visible impossible move window visible aerea configuring window manager resources applikation level hardcoded solution upper limit window size information 
comp windows frequently asked questions summary information window system article visual expires reply craft maintenance address organization visual lines archive part modified subject writing widget float resource float resources portable size larger size xtpointer pointer float scrollbar float resources handled subject memory leak xtdestroywidget unofficial destroy destroy destroy xconsortium destroy swick unofficial patches revisions copyright digital equipment corporation maynard massachusetts destroyrec destroy list destroy count dispatch level dispatch level widget widget destroy count bcopy char char destroy count sizeof destroyrec xtphase destroy destroyrec destroy count xtphase destroy result calls xtdestroywidget destroy list reallocated destroy list dispatch level dispatch level widget widget destroy count bcopy char char destroy count sizeof destroyrec xtphase destroy donna converse converse subject callbacks guaranteed called order registered books demonstrate current implementation call callback procedures order registered specification guarantee sequence supplemental authoritative documents asente swick volume order undefined callback list manipulated widget application guarantee order execution general callback procedures thought operating independently depend side effects callbacks operating seqence needed single callback registered explicitly call functions converse subject xtdestroywidget destroy widget xtdestroywidget operates passes order avoid leaving dangling data structures function call marks widget destroyed program returns event loop subject query user synchronously code trivial callback clear flow control calls askuser block answer valid values answer code drops callback back event processing loop void quit widget xtpointer client xtpointer call answer answer askuser quit answer answer askuser positive answer exit realistic create file overwrite accomplished entering event processing loop waiting user answers question answer returned calling function function askuser motif replaced widget specific code create sort dialog displaying question string buttons cancel equivalents askuser string widget char string answer marker widget dialog cache carry args xtappcontext context xtsetarg args xmnmessagestring xmstringcreateltor string xmstring default charset xtsetarg args xmndialogstyle xmdialog application modal dialog xmcreatequestiondialog xtparent string args xtaddcallback dialog xmnokcallback response answer xtaddcallback dialog xmncancelcallback response answer xtaddcallback dialog xmnhelpcallback response answer xtmanagechild dialog context xtwidgettoapplicationcontext answer xtappending context xtapprocessevent context xtimall xtdestroywidget dialog blow dialog shell return answer dialog supports buttons call function tickled user variable answer user finally selects choices void response client call widget xtpointer client xtpointer call answer client xmanycallbackstruct reason xmanycallbackstruct call switch reason reason case xmcr answer define break case xmcr cancel answer break case xmcr answer break default return code unwraps back point answer needed continues heller argv code contrib widgetwrap library subject determine existing widget widget widget users xtname function work widgets widget objects simple code note depends widget internal data structures necessarily portable future versions including include include string xtname widget widget widget work widget objects return xrmnametostring widget core modified suggestion larry rogers larry webo subject baddrawable error drawing xtwindow widget order window xlib graphics based program canvas xtcreatemanagedwidget widgetclass drawing area window xtwindow canvas window widget xdrawline window produces error window widget created part realization widget window null window create error describe call xtrealizewidget attempting window widget note window created xtrealizewidget call server mapped wait expose event window drawing subject badmatch error calling xgetimage badmatch error occur rectangle edge screen catch error deal steps avoid error make pixmap size rectangle capture clear pixmap background xfillrectangle xcopyarea copy window pixmap noexpose event copy clean xgetimage grab image pixmap graphicsexpose events copy clean width height members graphicsexpose event structures parts pixmap good pixmap takes memory oliver jones subject application number programs offer modes straight character mode easiest application determine running display attempt open connection server display xopendisplay display display stuff curses display string command line display convention char null case xopendisplay display superior simply checking existence display command line argument checking display environment adequate subject make busy cursor application computing call xdefinecursor window application easiest thing create single inputonly window large largest screen make child toplevel window clipped window affect application largest screen case user enlarges window busy moves virtual desktop substitute toplevel widget similar code work xlib applications window unsigned long valuemask xsetwindowattributes attributes ignore device events busy cursor displayed valuemask cwdontpropagate cwcursor attributes propagate mask keypressmask keyreleasemask buttonpressmask buttonreleasemask pointermotionmask attributes cursor xcreatefontcursor xtdisplay toplevel watch window display screen clipped parent window worry resizing xcreatewindow xtdisplay toplevel xtwindow toplevel unsigned inputonly copyfromparent valuemask attributes maximum size replaced real size screen avoid servers problems windows larger busy cursor raise window back normal unmap automatically extra mouse events depending precisely window manager works similar effect keystrokes addition note widgets support xtncursor resource temporarily reset change cursor blocking pointer events andrew wason bellcore heller argv mouse mcrcim mcgill subject fork hanging parent program based application spawns unix processes continue closed typically vanish children terminated children inherit parent open connection display fork immediately child process close connectionnumber xtdisplay widget close file descriptor display information exec able exit parent alternatively exec make call file descriptor closed exec void fcntl connectionnumber xdisplay setfd janet anstett anstettj colorado gordon freedman amdahl greg holmberg holmberg subject make xlib calls signal handler xlib mutual exclusion protecting critical sections signal handler makes call wrong time function calling executing leave library inconsistent state note ansi standard points behavior signal handler undefined signal handler calls function signal problem specific xlib posix specification mentions functions called safely assumed functions called xlib functions work problem setting flag interrupt handler checking work procedure timer event previously added note article journal reilly volume error pete ware ware ohio state donna converse converse subject xlib sequence lost errors errors issue xlib requests xlib error handler make calls generate requests xlib signal handler case subject program handle socket pipe file input common write program accept input user connection file descriptor operates efficiently blocking connection file descriptor solution xtappaddinput open file descriptor xtappaddinput register input handler input handler called time file descriptor requiring program attention write input handler callback work quickly returns important blocking system calls input handlers input handlers read file descriptor input handler write handle exception conditions careful register input handler read disk file find function called input pending xtappaddinput working supposed input handler called file descriptor ready read data read disk file unlike pipe socket ready read spin back beginning read data read result function called time xtappmainloop type interaction expecting line beginning function test data ioctl fionread return called frequently application effectively busy wait xtappaddinput setting timer timer procedure checking file input courtesy heller argv mouse mcrcim mcgill ollie jones subject simulate button press release event widget xsendevent setting window field event order match widget receive event sending events application xtdispatchevent efficient xsendevent avoid round trip server depending widget written able call action procedures order effects courtesy mark horstman subject simple program window xcreatesimplewindow display root window size hints size hints size hints width size hints height border width blackpixel display screen whitepixel display screen xselectinput display window exposuremask buttonpressmask buttonreleasemask xmapwindow display window xdrawline display window window drawing window ready drawn appears screen application receives expose event drawing generally code programs code window created mapped xnextevent display event switch event type case expose expose events redraw xdrawline display window break note problem xlib implementations default graphics context correct foreground background colors program previously include code values foreground blackpixel display screen values background whitepixel display screen xcreategc display window gcforeground gcbackground values note code blackpixel whitepixel avoid assuming black white vice versa relationship pixels colors black white implementation dependent reversed correspond black white note blackpixel whitepixel wrong thing finished program ignores user preference foreground background note situation based program draw xtwindow realized appeared subject difference screen screen screen xlib structure includes information monitors virtual monitors single display supports server support independent screens numbered unix unix unix screen screen number digit thought index array screens display connection macros obtain information screen application running typically forms takes screen takes display screen number based programs typically xtscreen widget determine screen application running single screen part confusion arise fact macros return characteristics screen display names xdisplaywidth xdisplayheight subject motif xview header files compatible motif header files usable inside extern definition string intrinsic conflict libg string class worked projects classes jean daniel fekete wrap toolkit widgets anonymous export contrib works building classes parallel class tree widgets interviews toolkit obtainable anonymous interviews stanford interviews glue model similar constructing user interfaces supports multiple user interfaces sample applications include wysiwig document editor macdraw drawing program idraw interface builder ibuild things class library written rome force base strategic command freeware archive sites motif public domain library defines class wrappers motif adds application class initializing integrates xbae widget work developed ronald loon based bindings university lowell graphics research laboratory current sources decuac motif source code examples doug young object oriented programming motif isbn include widget wrappers include classes encapsulates higher level facilities commonly needed motif based applications check export contrib young rogue wave offers view programmers motif info product called commonview glockenspiel ireland apparently based toolkit multiple window systems including windows motif sold qualix implements interface files openwindows developers guide produces xview wrapper classes classes embedding xview toolkit intended openwindows developers guide builder tool sources export version released objectcenter saber reasonable alternative parcplace solbourne object interface douglas rand dsrand george subject obtain alternate language bindings versions lisp bindings part core source distributions version tape version export contrib saic bindings anonymous stars rosslyn unisys study team sponsored nasa apparently working bindings information xada smalltalk beta native smalltalk binding called stix steven byrne beginning stages documentation sparse smalltalk code sources smalltalk prep ugle unit prolog bindings called xwip written ucla supported part darpa anonymous export contrib xwip ucla xwip prolog language bindings depend quintus type foreign function interface prolog developer work quintus sicstus prolog inquiries xwip ucla scheme bindings xlib motif part distribution version export obsoletes version contrib tape bolt accessory aubrey jaffer scheme interpreter interface xlib motif openlook altdorf archive xscm nexus yorku scheme xscm bindings motif explicitly eventually made propulsion laboratories normal electronic means advance information obtained dsouleles nasa respond time permits adamotif complete binding motif language common systems based part saic unisys bindings includes translator info systems engineering research corporation serc serc consortium involved producing bindings maintains partial listing people involved information donna converse converse subject xgetwindowattributes window background pixel pixmap background pixel pixmap window read clients reason client create pixmap background pixmap window free pixmap window background pixmap destroyed window background pixel pixmap xcleararea clear region background color xgetimage read back pixel action alters contents window suffers race conditions exposures courtesy dave lemke stuart marks note applies border pixel pixmap feature protocol server free manipulate pixel pixmap requiring server original pixel pixmap potentially space saved courtesy fulton consortium subject create transparent window completely transparent window easy inputonly window order create window transparent choices shape extension released offers easy make rectangular windows shape window areas window nontransparent servers support extension machine specific method implementing transparent windows servers overlay plane supported hardware note notion transparent color index generally portable solution large number tiny windows makes operating application unit difficult final answer transparent window satisfied able overlay application window information draw separate bitplanes colors properly mouse mouse mcrcim mcgill journal complete answer including code samples option subject gxxor produce mathematically correct color values gxxor expect drawing black background black produce white drawing operation work values colormap indices color resulting colormap index points undefined visually random filled servers black white programs taking advantage mathematical coincidence break combining colors gxxor allocating number color cells filling chosen computed values gxxor simply switch colors shortcut setting background color graphics context foreground color draws result blue draws blue result foreground colormap indices blue chris flatters cflatter nrao whaley whaley subject color allocate show black make bits green blue fields xcolor structure scaled full blast forget scale color xalloccolor function perform correctly resulting color black paul asente asente subject program standard colormap image processing program xgetrgbcolormap standard colormap work xgetrgbcolormap property default create standard colormap returns exists xstdcmap order create standard colormap mouse mouse mcrcim mcgill subject pixmap copy screen show garbage initial contents pixmaps undefined means servers allocate memory leave garbage clear pixmap xfillrectangle function gxcopy foreground pixel color background pixmap mask courtesy dave lemke stuart marks subject check window valid program window remote display check window exists asynchronous guarantee window exist time time event window manipulated send event checking install error handler catch badwindow errors window longer exists scheme work rare occasion original window destroyed reallocated window courtesy klee subject applications draw window server assigns windows resources server assigns bits client application manipulate resource server resource private color cells shared problem face disseminate window multiple applications simple handle solves problem applications running machines application create specially named property root window window application retrieves property draw window note scheme works instance application running scheme subject limitations mentioned question window remote displays note coordinate higher level cooperation applications note processes share window server connection process child close connection server open connection courtesy phil karlton karlton subject program work tvtwm number applications including xwininfo xsetroot handle virtual root window tvtwm typically return wrong child root general solution code application rootwindow screen function getvroot description root window virtual root arguments display screen returns root window client include window getvroot display window rootreturn parentreturn children unsigned numchildren window root rootwindow atom vroot vroot xinternatom vroot false xquerytree root rootreturn parentreturn children numchildren numchildren atom actual type actual format long nitems bytesafter window newroot null xgetwindowproperty children vroot false window actual type actual format nitems bytesafter unsigned char newroot success newroot root newroot break return root courtesy david elliott sony similar code ssetroot version xsetroot distributed tvtwm header file andreas stolcke icsi export contrib vroot functions similarly providing macros rootwindow defaultrootwindow code include header file properly presence virtual desktop subject window resized user resizing window window manager window managers attention size hints application places window guarantee window manager listen setting minimum maximum size hints target size hope subject window foreground times antisocial application constantly raise tracking visibilitynotify events overlapped imagine conflict programs running window stack make window override redirect means temporarily assuming window management duties window infrequently short periods time popup menus short parameter setting windows mouse mouse mcrcim mcgill subject make text bitmaps blink easy depend sort extension existent arrange blinking redrawing contents periodically playing games colormap changing color contents mouse mcrcim mcgill mouse subject double click xlib users support translation manager notification double clicking good double click xlib protocol provide support double clicks client side timeouts single click action defer taking event server timeouts means system dependent code unixish implementations xconnectionnumber file descriptor connection select similar note user interface references suggest double click extend action single click case interface execute action compromise check timestamp event determine single click action double click action mouse mcrcim mcgill mouse subject render rotated text xlib intentionally provide sophisticated graphics capabilities leaving server extensions clients side graphics libraries choice stay core protocol render text pixmap read back xgetimage rotate hand matrices back server xputimage specifically create bitmap write text create xybitmap image xgetimage create xybitmap image handle transformation theta theta theta theta render note careful implement lose bits algorithm based shear transformations fact high level server extensions graphics packages permit rendering rotated text display postscript phigs capable arbitrary rotation fonts found printer addition access server install font create font consists letters rotated predefined angle application figure placement glyph courtesy mouse mouse mcrcim mcgill eric taylor etaylor klee liam quin interviews toolkit contrib software support rendering rotated fonts source code brian smith brsmith possibility hershey fonts stroke rendered converting xdrawline requests eric xrotfont program alan richardson mppa sussex posted comp sources july paints rotated font implementing method outline hershey font xvertext package alan richardson mppa sussex functions facilitate writing text angle version recently released sources comp sources misc export contrib xvertext shar reilly resource volume includes information modifications fonts server provide rotated scaled text subject registry reserve names places toolkit applications protocol define string names context conflicts components things consortium maintains registry names domains orgainization names selection names selection targets resource types application classes class extension record types list directory registry tape sending send docs registry xstuff mail server register names served questions send xregistry include postal address confirmation condensed asente swick appendix david lewis craft faqs friday david lewis 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comp windows frequently asked questions summary information window system reply craft maintenance address organization visual expires lines archive part modified article answers frequently asked questions comp windows posted reduce volume newsgroup provide hard find information general interest redistribute article article includes answers questions loosely grouped categories questions marked questions issue significant content issue marked topic basic information sources definitions books articles good beginners courses toolkits conferences coming related public mailing lists meet developers related faqs question maximize helpful responses publications discussing common abbreviations acronyms iccm write friendly applications consortium join open motif openwindows decwindows bandwidth xremote slip cslip topic life window managers session exit kill window manager save state session toolplaces window manager session manager change keyboard auto repeat rate remap keys keyboard produce string make screendump print application make color postscript screendump display make screendump including cursor convert view tiff pict images change titlebar xterm window find xterm control sequences xterm fail server characters ascii xterm xterm menus small print current selection environment variables loading resources picture window path runs xsession file display rlogin machine design font adding font server work convert font back font general method font usable format decwindows fonts decwindows server fonts decwindows server backgroundpixmap defaults file override translations item works xclock oclock show timezones work suddenly unable connect server demos work mono screen type keyboard fully supported xsun report bugs warning widget class version mismatch find dictionary server xwebster topic obtaining related software hardware public domain software compatible source binaries patches xstuff mail archive source binaries motif motif work toolkits implementing open sources including modifications interesting widgets good file selector widget widget drawing canvas current state world terminals server touchscreen lightpen server unix server macintosh running macos amiga fast server workstation server high graphics board terminal server terminal emulators xterm based editor word processor based mailer based paint draw program based plotting program based spreadsheet based project management software based postscript previewer based package based package based previewer based troff previewer wysiwyg interface builder find tools callable shell scripts based debugger program identically displays topic building distribution topic updating good source information configuring build work sunos dlsym strange problem building clients sunos compile sparc errors running built problems compiling older problems compiling server sunos problems shared libraries sunos olit programs xtqstring undefined sunos security hole frame buffer security hole topic building programs 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correct color values color allocate show black program standard colormap pixmap copy screen show garbage check window valid applications draw window program work tvtwm window resized user window foreground times make text bitmaps blink double click xlib render rotated text registry reserve names suggestions corrections answers additional information send directly uunet craft information included revision possibly suggestions incorporated version process information replaced information posting intended distributed approximately beginning month versions archived export mail server manager archive server switch send information contained gathered variety sources cases attribution lost claim responsibility item conventions telephone numbers tend bell system noted prices items included email addresses work window system trademark massachusetts institute technology trademarks property respective owners note script george ferguson ferguson rochester pretty print ugle unit contrib xfaq 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publication september variety topics subscription information journal subscriber services dept denville editorial information editors topgun subject common abbreviations acronyms toolkit intrinsics library layered xlib functionality widget sets built based program application widget sets intrinsics mechanisms manipulate widgets library collection miscellaneous utility functions building applications widgets athena widget implemented sample widget distributed source motif widget open software foundation binary kits hardware vendors hewlett packard widget originally based sets patches exist bring distributed tapes supplemental patches common lisp interface common lisp equivalent xlib xdmcp display manager protocol uniform mechanism display terminal request login service remote host xlfd logical font description conventions describes standard logical font description conventions clients query access resources rtfm common expert speak meaning locate consult relevant documentation read forgotten manual utsl common expression meaning advantage fact limited binary license source luke application programmer interface function calls programming library bitmap distribution format human readable format uncompiled fonts graphical user interface user interface language part motif lets programmers widget hierarchy simple outline form widget creation language package extends understanding resource format widget hierarchy actions widgets resources file file format openwindows developers guide uims user interface management system subject iccm write friendly applications inter client communication conventions manual official consortium standards documents define environment describes conventions clients observe coexist peacefully clients sharing server writing clients read understand iccm sections discussing selection mechanism interaction client window manager part distribution editions scheifler gettys window system book appendix version reilly volume protocol reference manual version copies volume obsolete version digital press book readable efforts digital press editors improve english presentation david rosenthal iccm updated updates published reilly programmer supplement release complete document tapes alternate definition iccm generally rtfm important read documents subject consortium join consortium formed january development window system major goal promotion cooperation computer industry creation standard software interfaces layers window system environment role provide vendor neutral architectural administrative leadership required make work membership consortium open organization categories membership member large organizations affiliate smaller organizations consortium activities place electronic mail meetings required designs specifications shape interest groups formed experts participating organizations typically small multi organization architecture team leads design acting close observers reviewers complete specification produced submitted formal technical review consortium proposed standard standards process typically includes public review consortium demonstration proof concept involvement public review process member affiliate consortium welcomed write scheifler consortium laboratory computer science technology square cambridge complete information xconsortium page distribution information adapted subject open motif open motif graphical user interfaces guis open developed industry reviewers motif developed open software foundation input members open primarily user interface specification style guide toolkits produce open applications motif includes specification sanctioned motif toolkit toolkits produce programs behave motif parcplace solbourne virtual toolkit objects style open motif user choice open product comprising open intrinsics toolkit variety applications darwin subject openwindows open windows product encompasses window system combines news compliant server news user interface specification open series toolkits implement including sunview xview based olit xlib implementations number utilities olwm window manager filemgr shelltool frank greco fgreco shearson subject decwindows decwindows product encompasses server toolkit including widget xlib implementations session manager number utilities dxwm window manager dxcalendar dxpsview point motif flavors toolkit applications shipped subject phigs extension phigs stands programmer hierarchical interactive graphics system essentially library functions simplifies creation manipulation graphics platforms capable performing hardware computations involved rendering objects extension client phigs case advantage specialized hardware graphics microsystems contracted develop freely redistributable copyright similar current copyright sample implementation source documentation release vendors selling independently developed servers workstations terminals modified subject bandwidth xremote slip cslip options serial lines slip serial line mechanism protocol sending packets point point serial links years implementations major implementations terminal vendors supply checkoff item horribly slow headers bytes packet encoding protocol verbose rightfully optimized packing unpacking high speed links cslip compressed header slip variant slip compresses bytes headers bytes reencoding protocol modems compression increase packet latency takes time dribble uncompressed data typical serial interfaces compression assembly time point point protocol emerging standard point point links serial lines complete option negotiation slip growing number people combination serial line management cslip header compression common running normal protocols serial lines running wire compression make usable xremote protocol products originally developed squeezing protocol serial lines addition level transport mechanism similar cslip xremote removes redundancies protocol sending deltas previous packets compress entire data stream work pseudo server proxy running host terminal server advantages compression modem compressing modems directly connected reduces overhead cutting number bytes cross serial interface addition effects reduces latency delivering packets requiring modem buffer data waiting blocks compress bandwidth consortium project working standard area chaired xerox xremote protocol stepping stone developing protocol xremote adding proxy caching commonly information connection setup data large window properties font metrics keymaps efficient encoding protocol hope standard ready public review half year sample implementation additional technical information xremote works notes anonymous export contrib files xremote slides slides describing xremote xremote diffs slides describing information provided fulton slides export fulton talk technical conference subject topic life subject window managers window manager client part window system enjoys special privileges single window manager support ways user interact windows styles window layout decoration keyboard colormap focus approximate chronological order generally recent conformant iccm simple title window manager phased universal window manager popular speed outdated moved contrib tape window manager window managers offered user great deal customization options parenting window manager ardent window manager remains hotbed hackers offers features dynamic menus found current window managers part andrew system siemen window manager tiles windows overlap resizes window focus preferred size dxwm digital dxwm part decwindows offering hpwm window manager offers precursor motif window manager part motif toolkit tekwm tektronix window manager offering olwm olwm implements open style guide functionality olwm ditto bull generic window manager emulates built lisp interpreter version contrib tape avahi inria export sigma window manager tape pswm postscript based pswm part openwindows release solbourne based toolkit offers multiple support panned virtual window configuration information resources file window manager tape reworked basis derivatives including tape vtwm vtwm offers virtual desktop features single root window implementation based archive servers version vtwm based export tvtwm virtual window manager based virtual desktop modeled virtual root window archive servers olvwm vtwm style virtual desktop added olwm archive servers version export mvwm vtwm style virtual desktop added beta version floating recently suresh requires source license motif ncdwm window manager local terminals offers xdswm window manager local visual technology terminals ctwm claude lecommandeur lecom epfl modification offers virtual screens fashion vuewm source export version offers window overview vtwm tvtwm vuewm based window manager offers configurable workspaces enhanced piewm version tvtwm offers menus subject session exit kill window manager needn happening running window manager xsession xinitrc file session runs long running killing window manager equivalent logging window manager background invoke safe exec xterm login iconic special client devising exits user action session continue explicitly logout window kill restart window manager subject save state session toolplaces window manager directly supports feature equivalent writing xinitrc xsession file naming geometry command application olvwm close contributed application complete sunview program toolplaces application xplaces archive server versions program floating recent vintage pseudo session managers vuewm provide saving sessions including information geometry running applications resource database bjxrn stabell bjoerns subject window manager session manager session manager start dxwm default override xdefaults file line naming full pathname windowmanagername favorite subject change keyboard auto repeat rate turn auto repeat xset protocol provide varying auto repeat rate capability supported systems servers running systems support provide command line flags rate start time control server start pages xinit invoke server chosen settings start xsun server options reduce sensitivity keyboard subject remap keys keyboard produce string method arranging string produced press xmodmap client moving ctrl keys places rearranges keys macro expansion clients including xterm based editors accept translation resource xterm translations override string setenv display unix permits shorthand pressed reset display locally xterm takes effect xterm clients include control characters string octal encoding control character include window managers provide facility special remapper client made david lewis craft faqs friday david lewis temporarily speaking visual evening david craft 
comp windows frequently asked questions summary information window system reply craft maintenance address organization visual expires lines archive part modified subject make screendump print application client distributions select window background produces format file image window file post processed printed client local printing mechanism command sleep root output spend seconds setting screen entire current display saved file output note undocumented flag window command line unofficial patches export delay portion screen capture publicly programs interactive definition arbitrary portions display built delays asnap xgrabsc versions xgrabsc version export recent xsnap includes asnap features supersedes renders output version unknown export avahi inria xsnap screen dump merge edit program combining features vernam xdump information soft xprint alberto accomazzi alberto harvard xprint export post process output tools part distribution archives xtops produce encapsulated postscript trimmings suitable presentations export contrib contrib imagemagick pbmplus package archive servers package level color postscript output program grab portion display manipulate save formats imagemagick similar capabilities bristol technology info offers xprinter xlib postscript printers demo vendor bristol xprinter colorsoft offers openprint package includes screen capture facility image processing support postscript postscript printers vendors implementations decwindows openwindows include session managers desktop programs include print portion screen snapshot options platforms tools grab frame buffer directly systems screendump program produces raster file terminals local screen dump utilities write postscript local serial printer vendors implementations sony include direct support printing files typically package massage output format printer subject make color postscript screendump display color postscript grab screen image program produce color postscript xgrabsc grab screen image post process color xtops program imagemagick distribution pbmplus package good package subject make screendump including cursor server extended system dependent mechanism capturing frame buffer subject convert view tiff pict images likeliest program incarnation poskanzer portable bitmap toolkit includes number programs converting image formats includes support types bitmaps gray scale images full color images pbmplus updated recently recent version export contrib pbmplus tool diego supercomputing center imtools imconv packages functionality single binary anonymous sdsc viewing image formats frost xloadimage version directory contrib clients xloadimage versions including contrib xloadimage export graeme gill updates earlier version xloadimage export readme version released image viewer written bradley upenn john bradley read display pictures raster bitmap tiff jpeg manipulate images adjust color intensity contrast aspect ratio crop save images aforementioned formats postscript grab portion display manipulate save formats program updated file contrib export fuzzy pixmap manipulation michael mauldin conversion manipulation package similar pbmplus version uunet ucsd graphics software paul raveling reads writes image format displays screen image manipulations version expo contrib large collection color images utah toolkit conversion manipulation package similar pbmplus utah weedeater math yale freebie engin umich image manipulator philip thompson essential interactive displaying editing filtering converting images version contrib area recent version motif reads writes tiff writes level formats library command line utilities building applications imagemagick cristy retrieved export contrib area collection utilities transform display images server tool miff format filters miff popular formats tiff raster included xtiff tool viewing tiff file window written handle kinds tiff files remaining simple portable efficient xtiff illustrates common problems building pixmaps visual classes distributed part leffler libtiff package export uunet comp sources xtiff announced includes xlib versions version iverson leei mcgill image viewing tool contrib vimage export package includes imageviewport widget filedialog widget material larry carroll larryc nasa subject change titlebar xterm window solution involves sending escape sequence xterm update property window manager relies string appears window titlebar solution easy typing xterm running shell echo text escape text string displayed control character complicated alias titlebar current working directory change directories alias newcd echo digit strings xterm change title window change title icon digit change icon note prevents incorrect display local directory modified subshell wrap escape sequences prompt note begin sequence subject find xterm control sequences source information sources file ctlseqs postscript version hardcopy clients ctlseqs reilly volume user guide includes version control sequences standard volume motif version book current guide includes outdated version control sequences good sources information include version document file sources called clients xterm ctlseq compilation skip montanaro listing sequences dates fairly accurate hardcopy version published december xnextevent newsletter pinch manual updated subject xterm fail server subject characters ascii xterm order special characters umlaut stty pass charcell font xterm font medium normal xterm boldfont bold normal family intentionally unspecified addition shell setenv ctype character determine modifier finding equivalent character ascii umlaut section character greg holmberg greg thirdi stephen gildea gildea subject xterm menus small setting geometry small accidentally give resource specification xterm geometry widgets xterm geometry main window characters size popup menus pixels show small terminal widget geometry explicitly xterm geometry subject print current selection paste xterm executing command program richard hesketh specifically manipulating selection xselection primary finds primary selection prints command window manager menu shell scripts xselection permits setting selection properties version export xget selection adapted subject environment variables loading resources environment variables control resources loaded based programs xfilesearchpath xuserfilesearchpath xapplresdir environment variables control application defaults files application initializing loads defaults file path defined xfilesearchpath path defined xuserfilesearchpath xfilesearchpath software installed system defaults files directory hierarchies suppose running open windows applications installed defaults xfilesearchpath defaults files openwin openwinhome located setenv xfilesearchpath openwinhome environment variable colon separated list pathnames pathnames replacement characters xtresolvepathname filename parameter application class file type case literal string defaults customization resource suffix defaults language locale codeset language part territory part display language string codeset part display language string suppose application class myterm suppose open windows installed openwin notice omits locale specific lookup means defaults myterm openwinhome means openwin defaults myterm application initializes open defaults files order shown finds reads stops effect path search openwin time xuserfilesearchpath file myterm current working directory myterm directory defaults setenv xuserfilesearchpath home defaults path list expands myterm expands home defaults myterm convenient setting debugging imake convention naming defaults file myterm application source directory application directory working resources loaded properly note default files xuserfilesearchpath bizarre reason type file suffix defined useless twist customization resource myterm application myterm customization color pathname specifications expanded pathname defaults myterm color substitution character takes customization resource default xfilesearchpath compiled note sites replace projectroot batch default settings default xuserfilesearchpath compiled xapplresdir user home directory xapplresdir xuserfilesearchpath default ignores xapplresdir altogether notice quick dirty making application find defaults file current working directory xapplresdir single machinery worked differently compatibilty people xapplresdir slash oliver jones subject picture window answer lies changing xrdb resource config file program change background loading resources config file line displaymanager authorize false permit unrestricted access display beware displaymanager xrdb xrdb file connections lines arguments display load xresources xsetroot display bitmap bitmap xrdb substitute xloadimage xsetroot taste note general hack invoke console window client bourland jayb stanford subject path runs xsession file runs xsession source cshrc login files path explicitly script place environment setting statements separate file source xsession file shell configuration file path cshrc file normal place make xsession path simply making script starting xsession file work starting reset path path echo path export path subject display rlogin machine ways avoid setenv display networked unix machine running solution clients xrsh contrib tape includes xrsh script start application remote machine xrlogin script start local xterm running rlogin remote machine recent version export xrsh shar solution xrlogin program mouse mouse mcrcim mcgill caveat emptor versions xrlogin xrlogind program packages term display single string stuffed term rlogin propagates term cshrc remote machine eval xrlogind xrlogind program checks term special format recognizes unpacks spits setenv unsetenv commands recreate environment variables addition start remote process host find xterm display display simple display real hostname version xrsh start remote processes equivalent usage xrsh xterm start process host date chris torek host setenv display display exec null improved version rxcmd suggested john robinson generalized keith boyer keith ohio state rcmd left zombies script combines case echo usage host args case shell host shift xhost host null host setenv term xterm setenv display hostname exec null host shift xhost host null host term xterm export term display hostname export display library path export library path path path local export path exec null esac esac subject design font bitmap client bitmap editor icon editor tool post processed pbmplus design individual characters large amount post processing concatenate format ollie jones article november journal information contrib area fonts utils clients xtroff contained number utilities including convert font format simple character format edited text editor easier xfed client modify existing font version contrib tape contrib clients xfed xfed anonymous informatik dortmund possibly file windows diverse sourcen xfed produce format fonts compiled variety servers xfedor client group bull permits creation bitmaps cursors pixmaps fonts binaries common machines avahi inria addition sources xlib implementation export contrib metafont user mftobdf seetex distribution convert fonts format distribution colorado export package fontutils prep includes xbfe font editor number utilities massaging font formats reilly resource issue article tools modify font fonts resized hiroto kagotani bdfresize version titech contrib subject adding font server work built font system font compiler installed directory mkfontdir system equivalent bldfamily openwindows directory xset full path server font path directory path xset rehash fonts directory found step leaving xset make directory path xset command fails badvalue error error failed request badvalue integer parameter range operation major opcode failed request setfontpath means server find read font directory directory font directory server mention integer parameter message spurious font directory readable server file system remember server client interprets font directory trouble area issue xset command shell metacharacters xset myfonts server terminal managed directory font directory running server varieties vendor servers directory file fonts find file mkfontdir running openwindows file families list find bldfamily site people servers proprietary server nonstandard font formats openwindows make font directory server hint directory files work open windows directory files work mouse mouse mcrcim mcgill oliver jones subject convert font back font tool called snftobdf part bdftools package export contrib bdftools nmsu misc bdftools subject general method font usable format mouse getbdf solution connects server produces file font server converter requires access server understand font file powerful tools snftobdf getbdf getbdf mail mouse mcrcim mcgill addition program fstobdf produce font server access subject decwindows fonts decwindows server decwindows fonts typically exist installation rewrite rules alias fonts decwindows applications standard fonts similar characteristics size pick file contrib decwindows font aliases export file standard server serve starting point creating similar aliases file open windows server servers font scheme subject fonts decwindows server format fonts preferred server format produce compiled format format dxfc font compiler note servers fonts performance subject backgroundpixmap defaults file able xclock backgroundpixmap include bitmaps rootweave backgroundpixmap resource pixmap depth screen bitmap pixmap depth writing generic string pixmap converter impossible accepted convention file format pixmaps toolkit athena widget define string pixmap converter converter resource athena widget define string bitmap converter widgets courtesy chris peterson specific converter encapsulates functionality xloadimage package frost posted sebastian wangnick basti informatik dortmund permits loading number image formats pixmap leading general purpose format pixmaps format groupe bull programs including window manager olpixmap editor interface builder distribution export contrib includes read write routines easily adapted converters widgets specification pixmap resources manner information talk mailing list announced export avahi inria older version contrib tape icons collected anthony thyssen anthony export contrib aicons subject override translations item works extra space specification item basic text translations override ctrla beginning line ctrle line extra space newline space ending translation definition timothy horton subject xclock oclock show timezones solution xchron volume comp sources show time timezones local alternatively timezone shell invoke xclock oclock script similar xclock luis obispo null xclock king prussia null subject work mail reader requires rand mail message handling system part unix software distribution machines list uucp mail mail sites monthly source file receive comp mail newsgroup users mailing list request copy includes section sending mail mail server manager request send usenet news answers subject suddenly unable connect server seemingly random amount time server started clients able connect default cron cleanup jobs supplied delete unreferenced files including unix socket descriptor solution type find exclusion cron subject demos work mono screen sample server implementation works color screens subject type keyboard fully supported xsun users lock light lock effect numeric keypad xsun server distributed patches patch written jonathan lemon fixes lock related problems export file contrib xsun numlock patch written martin forssen fixes lock compose keys adds support national keyboard layouts type type keyboards patch export contrib sunkbd email chalmers martin forssen chalmers chalmers patches william bailey dbgwab posted newsgroups provide support type keyboard subject report bugs generally report bugs find organization supplied window system received source 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comp windows frequently asked questions summary information window system reply craft maintenance address organization visual expires lines archive part modified subject patches release public patches consortium announced comp windows announce newsgroup patches export sites distributed newsgroup comp sources source sellers including patches source distributions people access xstuff mail server patches send xstuff subject line send fixes patch number patch complications parts request separately file sungx part earlier patch released patch note file work solaris parts parts parts replaces test test suite previously optional pexlib obtain xstuff pexlib parts subject xstuff mail archive xstuff server mail response program means mail request mails back response commands word line xstuff server reads entire message commands single message xstuff server treats subject header line line message archives organized series directories subdirectories directory index subdirectory index level index 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administrivia window managers server server locking server starting server fonts resources file define display properly clients clock terminal emulator tuning client miscellaneous suggestions pretty pictures quicker mouse programming thoughts sources information author notes changed issue issue introduction administrivia document posted month usenet news groups comp windows news answers comp answers reading copy months modified date locate latest edition information outdated newsgroups site receive article expired retrieve archive site exist usenet archive sites find access introduction news answers newsgroup posting news answers main archive rtfm document found usenet news answers speedups access anonymous retrieve sending mail message mail server manager command send usenet news answers speedups message body david lewis craft maintains informative written comp windows frequently asked questions document focus general information concentrates performance comp windows address issue speed server gist topic faster complete details window managers window managers lots features abilities choice necessity balancing performance features point respondents agreed candidate speedy window manager couple generic tricks soup window manger turning unnecessary things zooming opaque move windows tiled manner reduce amount power spent raising lowering overlapping windows english found good font tiling misc fixed medium normal biggest font screen column terminal windows side side display overlap font suggestions accepted server server make server proper match hardware monochrome monitor monochrome server monochrome noticed difference xsun colour server xsunmono pointed xsunmono smaller contribute paging jonny farringdon farringdon michael salmon michael salmon ericsson server compiled make difference jeff utah advises system compiled version unbundled compiler expect large speedups server bundled sunos compiler assume similar results occur high quality commercial compilers market locking server hacking server locked paged call plock performance inquiry topic pointers plock function call hard evidence position give eric claeys danny backx juan martin juando starting server english start clients xsession sleep launching changed xclients script logging time heavily loaded system core sounds crazy confirmed works warner losh provided good explanation works summarized start server takes huge amount time start accepting connections initialization server starts process touches large number pages process running time fight server importantly memory sleep give server chance sorted clients start similarly initialization client program starts toolkits registering widgets resources fetched programs initializing state databases activity typically memory intensive initialization process reached steady state memory usage typically settles pages sleeps stagger launching clients xinitrc avoid fighting workstation limited resources mileage vary situation variables considered local swap space load average number users system clients starting xinitrc situation sleep exec xclock sleep exec xbiff sleep exec xterm sleep exec xterm experimented sleep exec xclock sleep exec xbiff sleep exec xterm sleep exec xterm sleep exec start clients script start clients script sleep exec xclock sleep exec xbiff sleep exec xterm sleep exec xterm idea make xinit completely finished processing xinitrc settled steady state sleep expired clients launched yielded fairly comparable results stuck current setup simplicity experiment find setup suits fonts loading fonts takes time minimize number fonts applications speed increases load time simple strategy choose small number fonts small large roman suits configure clients heavily clients fonts client programs start quicker font loaded server conserve server resources fewer fonts loaded server farrell mckay ptcbu english main xterm font menus icons default font eliminated font server oliver jones pictel fonts local workstation loading make extensive scalable fonts font server resources file xresources xdefaults file small saves saves server startup time english suggestion xdefaults xresources file putting minimum number resources applications reversevideo true separate resources individual client specific resource files home defaults login file environment variable xuserfilesearchpath setenv xuserfilesearchpath home defaults comp windows frequently asked questions excellent explanation environment variables work xterm launches loads resources defaults xterm xdvi finds defaults xdvi note clients follow xx resource file naming pattern check system defaults directory defaults find proper personal resource files documented specification kevin samborn samborn michael urban urban nasa mike long mikel cornell kevin mail setup files inquirers method organizing personal resources benefits easier maintain usable fewer resources stored server resource manager property side benefit server start fractionally quicker doesn load resources applications process resources sort resources find affect drawbacks application interested load additional file time starts make performance difference huge boon usability modifying application resource database application xrdb xrdb default xdefaults file resources split multiple resource files loaded individual client programs watch style comments xdefaults file stripped switched method distributed resource files spent frustrating days figure clients finding resources provide error message encountered style comments resource files simply silently aborted processing resource file loss preprocessing handy ifdef color people dismiss method resource management clients break rules emacs find resources xdefaults starting client machine share files machine resources stored client find resources loading resources server guarantee clients find resources casey leedom casey llnl compromise suggestion planning resources heavily clients xterm xdefaults file separate resources files method clients seldom define display properly client programs executed machine server situation setting display environment variable workstation display variable unix access optimized routines server machine shared memory method transferring requests patrick horgan amdahl display names section page explanation properly display stock data general libraries smart local communication display specially sartin opensi sartin jody goldberg jody xlib patch change stock local communication display properly business distributing juggle patches elected include apply minor lines patch meantime email jody clients megabytes carefully number programs running kind programs running smaller clock program xclock noticed programs advertise large onus research spread word suggestions alternatives standard clients xclock xterm xbiff received contradictory advice people subject client programs advocate programs strictly xlib based toolkits large warn applications loaded shared libraries case client program increase amount consumed upshot toolkits athena clients xview clients motif clients dragging toolkit library environment carefully client programs work environment sartin opensi sartin duncan sinclair sinclair sinclair clock xcuckoo suggested duncan sinclair sinclair export xcuckoo displays clock title program saves screen real estate mclock suggested mouse mouse mcrcim mcgill larry mcrcim mcgill mclock shar based extensively configurable made oclock xclock purely changing resources ultimate clock consumes resources takes screen real estate hangs wall terminal emulator readme file distributed xterm abandon hope enter undoubtedly ugly program distribution ugly site suspect xterm clients sites laziness terminal emulator xterm reducing number savelines reduce memory usage oliver jones pictel jonny farringdon farringdon suggested richard hesketh export contrib esoteric features xterm hold written save swap space xterm written partial clone xterm rename resources pretends xterm current version bind keys xterm heard versions feature found update march recently email conversations brian warkentin brian warkentine questions faster xterm instance initialize slightly faster compare scrolling speed quickie benchmark time termcap program scroll faster xterm slightly larger requirements hard numbers shared libraries shared text segments xterm paging requirements major experiment ripped stuff xterm made difference brought memory stand conflicting reports validity xterm summary caveat emptor mileage vary provide hard data specifically occupies swap relative speed mterm suggested mouse mouse mcrcim mcgill larry mcrcim mcgill mterm mterm ball terminal emulator major lack scrollback people tuning client suggestions tune client programs work faster scott barman scott suggestion motif text field widgets noticed data entry motif text field widgets slight response keystrokes initial field examining xscope found resource xmnblinkrate focus text field widget text widget beam cursor blink time cursor appears disappears widgets widget code making request server copyarea user stop setting resource xmnblinkrate noticeable sparc make difference slower system specific suggestion applied general lots areas heavily clients minor embellishments turned save server requests miscellaneous suggestions pretty pictures large bitmaps root window backgrounds complicated root window bitmap slower server redrawing screen reposition windows redraw power work sparc conscious performance issues comprehend people running xphoon root window figure occupied full screen root image colour workstation screen real estate clients rarely root window qiang alex zhao azhao arizona reminding quicker mouse xset adjust fast pointer moves screen move mouse xset xinitrc file lets send pointer screen flick wrist xset page ideas information hint slow mouse tracking fine work cover options number mouse setting commands menu window manager menu mouse settings mouse settings title fast xset normal fast xset system default accelerated xset default glacial xset programming thoughts english speed applications developing tons things stick motif programs xmfontlist resources individual buttons labels lists defaultfontlist labelfontlist resource highest level manager widget stick fonts motif absolute create destroy widgets reuse avoid problems buggy toolkits line width servers makes huge difference compress collapse multiple expose events make difference fast application completely unusable francois staes frans small remark heard malloc function greatly increase performance based applications malloc heavily suggested gnuy malloc find time tests small programs malloc free differences noticeable times faster confirmation andre beck andre beck dresden unnecessary noexpose events people xcopyarea xcopyplane fastest blit routines forget reset graphics exposures blits noexpose event blit cases puts load connection forces client event loop thousands xchangegc requests context switching handcoded apps created heavily changed mechanism caching sharing needed parameters remove load subsequent xchangegc requests connection moving client startup phase contributors proposed ideas wall david lewis night david craft swap displays programs machine display locally user runs machine display goal reduce context switches operation client server situation easily received confirmation michael salmon michael salmon ericsson regularly programs machines notice difference machine reduce usage nice reduce impact intrusion helps poor essential casey leedom casey llnl server client competing server machine major problem client server absolute synchronicity context thrashing timothy panton uucp firstly relies fact idle usage bursty chances teammate intensive time small memory action factor context switches expensive halves price overhead network offset cases improved buffering network typically pipe allowing fewer context switches sources information volume reilly window system series window system administrator guide book administrator read adrian adrian tips performance paper improving application performance chris peterson sharon chang issue resource earlier version paper appeared xhibition conference proceedings paper absolutely essential reading programmers author notes list maintained mulder ualberta suggestions corrections submission inclusion list gladly accepted layout suggestions comments spelling mistak listed contributors comments suggestions credited speedup copyright arthur mulder copy document part long make money pretend wrote mulder ualberta conformed world department computing science transformed renewal university alberta edmonton canada mind romans 
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windows motif design differences future unix organization dept computer science dresden germany lines distribution reply andre beck dresden nntp posting host irzr dresden article bellcore writes andy burgess writes pyeatt larry pyeatt writes closely motif windows pleasing color texture real difference application window toplevel children motif application window launches children desktop familiar guis correct experience makes behavior easily duplicated important difference window handle sophisticated geometry management xmform windows limited resources windows menus icons imho discussion named motif windogs totally stupid thing remotely influenced motif window manager features arrangement buttons menus similiar windowmanaging agent small part motif fact motif work mwms outfit reason switches windowmanager influence motif toolkit widgets write applications toolkit imho uncomparable wellorganized features alot goodies interface porsche kfer wheel gear position motif complete worlds element motif world gear wheel position brain inside andre beck abpsoft mehl andre beck dresden 
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change text cursor xterm organization speaking national naval medical center lines nntp posting host navy newsreader version finished building running interactive unix sysvr problem xterm font larger messes characters types cursor large splits reverse video outline block pointer moved window monospaced fonts fonts changing appearence block cursor xterm john skoda windows electronic learning facilitators cobol century bethesda unix socially navy unacceptable systems navy flame expos disclaimer package 
nntp posting host organization picker international distribution lines sparcstation sunos openwindows motif window manager unsuccessful motif error failed request baddrawable invalid pixmap window parameter major opcode failed request getimage resource failed request serial number failed request current serial number output stream insight 
window manager organization users student organization lines distribution world nntp posting host leopard uidaho window manager called ctwm similar vuewm multiple workspaces motif based window manager feature memory mike michael mind terrible thing laboratory applied logic university idaho uidaho uidaho 
open organization csiro division radiophysics australia telescope national facility lines article bonds writes reposting post made built installed sparcstation server retain openlook window manager uncommon make change delete instance start local xnews openlook window manager source contrib tapes export suggest building version openwindows olwm richard gooch 
problems graphic context athena widgets organization rose hulman institute technology lines distribution world nntp posting host rose hulman keywords athena colormaps graphic contex creating graphics program athena widgets xlib routines install custom graphics contex obtaining display window variables xtwindowofobject xtdisplayofobject object widgets problem occurs button pressed menu selected graphic contex reverts orginal moving allocation graphic context allocation buttons changed preforming manipulation calling xtappmainloop leslie donaldson donaldlf rose hulman donaldlf rose hulman 
toolkit directions organization neosoft communications services lines article devil hellnet tene writes figure current toolkit directions simply toolkit long term project problem looked motif interviews gina variations cursory examination rogue wave view view abstractions toolkits mentioned resulting code motif confidence software catch result significant longevity code gina write code great deal motif makes interesting inheritance resulting code motif significantly verbose equivalent code interviews promising found free version motif support confident widely interviews motif support adopted specific motif support time libraries produce code motif make sufficient features simplify coding task point inclination write motif manipulation routines invoke routines code simple abstractions suited specific task credible standards setting body interface motif change write choice interfaces leaves code leaves tied abstraction consistent industry directions standard inferior solution slgihtly superior approach leave useless code useless skills years views library environment spending justify short term productivity decreases learn abstraction sufficiently long lived solution reap benefits high curve brad brad daniels money happiness daniels guess rent work neosoft weird yenkovic speak employer 
fresco status organization neosoft communications services lines hearing rumblings fresco sounds release kind availability similar interviews code interviews code work fresco motif heard mention versions interviews support motif feasible motif fresco information appreciated brad brad daniels money happiness daniels guess rent work neosoft weird yenkovic speak employer 
iconize running application organization neosoft communications services lines article doomer john dumais writes figure programmatically iconize application running motif window manager approaches includeing sending events application border window avail tend xiconifywindow achieve effect brad brad daniels money happiness daniels guess rent work neosoft weird yenkovic speak employer 
iconize running application reply doomer message organization lehman brothers lines doesnt matter window running routine xiconfiywindow display screen number display display window screen number xiconifywindow xtdisplay xtwindow perform article doomer john dumais writes newsgroups comp windows path shearson uupsi psinntp uunet haven darwin sura wupost zaphod ohio state magnus ohio state teal doomer doomer john dumais sender news news nntp posting host teal organization colorado supernet newsreader date lines figure programmatically iconize application running motif window manager approaches includeing sending events application border window avail doomer bore life short code hard jbore uunet shearson jbore beeper 
compiling clients organization basic arrhythmia laboratory duke univ center durham lines nntp posting host duke originator group copied stuff compiled runs sunos things fine find couple bugs recompile clients runs undefined symbol xshapequeryextension xshapecombinemask include libxext messages figure ideas danieley duke basic arrhythmia laboratory duke university medical center durham 
motif athena organization bond university australia lines berry citr andrew berry writes impression people motif vendor supplies sunos users excluded similar feel windows personally prefer feel motif flames opinion motif adopted remeber members recent announcement virtually workstation make vast majority hardware concerned prevalence motif point view writing obtaining free software linux communities grow motif lose grip commercial marketplace ports motif linux cost recovery person bought rights redistribute activity linux news groups pertaining motif high divergence commercial commercial software free software athena openlook widget sets commercial software motif widget sets workstation motif default free unix platforms causing major problems side note based code writing distribute freely completed based motif programmatic feel point view flames bambi david hughes bambi senior network programmer comms development operation australia 
sunview originator alex nntp posting host taacman organization vanderbilt university school engineering nashville distribution lines doubt question find answer faqs find sunview application convert openlook motiv remember hearing time tools accomplish task public domain good advantages reimplementing interface alex 
mouseless operation organization sophomore civil engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew mouseless operation documented pages olwm olvwm work line xdefaults openwindows keyboardcommands full rebound keys missing 
server multi screen organization elin energeanwendung lines nntp posting host eeam elin newsreader version xperts simple questions terms thing give exact definition terms multi screen multi headed multi display server zaphod mode limit screens displays single server handle articel read upper limit capability called move cursor screen display hints rainer rainer hochreiter telephone elin energieanwendung gesmbh telefax penzingerstr wien austria europe mail rainer 
motif mailing list interest originator rvloon nntp posting host midas organization university utrecht computer vision research group lines motif world days posted announcement update motif requests send bindings mail people motif number people aware motif question people interested join mailing list people questions motif swap stories give ideas directions improvements bindings benefit user community give insight people added motif motif voluntary project make list priorities order things added changed interested joining mailing list time reply message sufficient interest people mailing list site post announcement newly created list newsgroups ronald loon theory difference rvloon theory practice group utrecht netherlands practice 
creating windows display organization university amsterdam lines nntp posting host carol server visuals pseudocolor truecolor directcolor problem occurs create window visual visual parent default visual xlib reference guide reilly read section xcteatewindow current implementation visual parent create find suitable colourmap window attributes creating badmatch occurs warning strangely mentioned newer editions guides pass suitable colourmap badmatch create window default visual code destroy window create window truecolour display width height display width height window xvisualinfo vinfo xsetwindowattributes attr fprintf stderr opening window xmatchvisualinfo defaultscreen pseudocolor vinfo fprintf stderr display handle pseudocolor exit fprintf stderr visual vinfo visual visualid cmap xcreatecolormap defaultrootwindow vinfo visual allocnone xsync false xinstallcolormap cmap ommision line result attr colormap cmap xcreatewindow defaultrootwindow width height copyfromparent border width depth inputoutput class vinfo visual visual cwcolormap attr return destroy executing piece code results badmatch error drop line care bram stolk stolk 
conversions reply freenet shane thomas distribution organization gizmonic institute lines source code create window dumps format convert window dump file format manipulate shane freenet uucp rutgers devon gizmonic csthomas bless pagans simpson 
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memory xserver actual size organization zentrum fuer graphische datenverarbeitung darmstadt lines question features drag drop applications linked motif motif memory xserver terminals limited memory swapping question possibility determine protocol calls size free memory xserver determine start application client side server side memory reply mail summarize sincerly matthias matthias pfuetzner darmstadt zgdv wilhelminenstrasse lichtenbergstrasse pfuetzner pfuetzner uucp keith packard changed release number 
xswarm enhancement organization university erlangen reply kssingvo informatik erlangen nntp posting host faui informatik erlangen lines xswarm enhacemened wasp mail read group longer advance klaus klaus singvogel mail kssingvo informatik erlangen 
changing olwm icons organization university south florida department computer science engineering lines distribution world reply clark csee matthew clark nntp posting host wondering change window icons olwm things xterm defaults pretty lame answer find appreciated matt clark 
fresco status organization nasa goddard space flight center lines distribution world nntp posting host narya gsfc nasa originator dealy gsfc nasa issue resource published proceedings annual technical conference paper mark linton chuck price titled building distributed interfaces fresco summary describes fresco consortium effort complete review paper mention goals stated section article effort goal providing generation toolkit functionality toolkit xlib features fresco include lightweight objects interviews glyphs structured graphics resolution independence natural programming interface edit place embedding distributed user interface components multithreading means captures complete content paper conclusions sections mentions rough draft specification early schedule paper presented complete sample implementation affiliated people places mentioned brian dealy knowing dealy gsfc nasa important knowing uunet dftsrv kong dealy dylan brian dealy knowing dealy gsfc nasa important knowing uunet dftsrv kong dealy dylan 
xwindows opaque organization nasa goddard space flight center lines distribution comp nntp posting host narya gsfc nasa keywords xwindow parent child relation originator dealy gsfc nasa article hess informatik hamburg hauke hess writes parent window paint area childs implement rubberband multiple xwindows select objects displayed window hauke rootwindow creating xlib draw multiple windows application similar rubber banding curs move xcreatefontcursor disp data crosshair geom vals foreground blck pixl grey dark geom vals plane mask allplanes geom vals line width geom vals function gxxor geom vals subwindow mode includeinferiors evnt mask gcforeground gcplanemask gclinewidth gcfunction gcsubwindowmode geom gcon xcreategc disp data root iden evnt mask geom vals move rubber band bands logic void tselect move bands delt xloc delt yloc stuff deleted xdrawrectangle disp data root iden geom gcon sele pntr rootx sele pntr rooty sele pntr xlnth sele pntr ylnth undraw sele pntr papax delt xloc sele pntr papay delt yloc sele pntr rootx delt xloc sele pntr rooty delt yloc xdrawrectangle disp data root iden geom gcon sele pntr rootx sele pntr rooty sele pntr xlnth sele pntr ylnth draw stuff deleted hope helps brian dealy knowing dealy gsfc nasa important knowing uunet dftsrv kong dealy dylan brian dealy knowing dealy gsfc nasa important knowing uunet dftsrv kong dealy dylan 
motif athena organization csiro division radiophysics australia telescope national facility lines article bambi david hughes writes concerned prevalence motif point view writing obtaining free software linux communities grow motif lose grip commercial marketplace ports motif linux cost recovery person bought rights redistribute activity linux news groups pertaining motif high divergence commercial commercial software free software athena openlook widget sets commercial software motif widget sets workstation motif default free unix platforms causing major problems find active linux communities populated enthusiasts object paying money software commercial unix important factor linux community source code similar community involved people linux stay cutting bleeding edge kernel patches library compiler patches people rebuild entire systems prime requirement linux software style public license linux software athena widgets xview individuals write software requiring motif doubt widely adopted richard gooch 
expose events organization oracle europe lines newsreader version excuse previous posting appended thread accident robert 
expose events organization oracle europe lines newsreader version posted code excerpts able problem main fine create detail receive initial expose events main receives event relevent calls main xcreatesimplewindow mydisplay defaultrootwindow mydisplay myhint myhint myhint width myhint height main line thick xsetstandardproperties mydisplay main main text main text argv argc myhint main xcreategc mydisplay main xmapraised mydisplay detail xmapsubwindows mydisplay main event mask main pposition psize structurenotifymask exposuremask keypressmask enterwindowmask leavewindowmask flags pposition psize create detail calls hints values detail xcreatesimplewindow mydisplay defaultrootwindow mydisplay myhint myhint myhint width myhint height detail line thick xsetstandardproperties mydisplay main detail text detail text argv argc myhint detail xcreategc mydisplay detail xmapraised mydisplay detail event mask flags identical main flags event mask idea initial expose events detail received main receives event love hear works great detail overseeing tips robert rgasch oracle 
delayed expose events organization oracle europe lines newsreader version posted code excerpts able problem main fine create detail receive initial expose events main receives event relevent calls main xcreatesimplewindow mydisplay defaultrootwindow mydisplay myhint myhint myhint width myhint height main line thick xsetstandardproperties mydisplay main main text main text argv argc myhint main xcreategc mydisplay main xmapraised mydisplay detail xmapsubwindows mydisplay main event mask main pposition psize structurenotifymask exposuremask keypressmask enterwindowmask leavewindowmask flags pposition psize create detail calls hints values detail xcreatesimplewindow mydisplay defaultrootwindow mydisplay myhint myhint myhint width myhint height detail line thick xsetstandardproperties mydisplay main detail text detail text argv argc myhint detail xcreategc mydisplay detail xmapraised mydisplay detail event mask flags identical main flags event mask idea initial expose events detail received main receives event love hear works great detail overseeing tips robert rgasch oracle message accidentally appended expose events thread confusion caused 
gateway organization computer science concordia university montreal quebec lines gateway configure specifically correct xconfig file entry graphics card monitor color crystalscan monitor vesa local ultra vram video card extremely appreciated advance send replies christy christy 
cursor size problems organization computer science liverpool university lines nntp posting host apologies read solved posting problems creating cursor bigger motif running functions return valid results cursor appears bitmap bigger aforementioned size code unsigned xquerybestcursor xtdisplay programarea xtwindow programarea return nearest size require returns width height wrong round problem advance mike 
plot package organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop xpert steve steve frysinger blue feather farm writes steve folks steve public domain plotting package steve basic capabilities axes labels linear steve hard imagine thing steve hoping avoid reinventing wheel steve leads steve steve frysinger plplot version beta found anonymous hagar utexas plplot directory mark mark stucky email united technologies research center mark east hartford readme file version plplot distribution plplot scientific plotting package systems small micro large super alike small size quickness power satisfy users including standard plots semilog plots plots contour plots plots mesh plots charts charts multiple graphs sizes single page multiple lines graph line styles widths colors supported virtually infinite number distinct area fill patterns characters extended character includes fonts greek alphabet host mathematical musical symbols fonts scaled size effects output device drivers system dependent including portable metafile format renderer plplot package freely distributable public domain plplot source code header files files explicitly granting permission commercial software package consent authors allowed encouraged include plplot object library header files commercial package provided explicitly prominently stated plplot library freely full copyrights plplot package displayed documentation package suggestions improve code form user contributed enhancements fixes plplot published papers include acknowledgment citation work continue improving plplot remember plplot commercial product expected offer kind support commercial product great interest extending plplot fixing bugs principal authors afford work part time improvements necessarily focus work plplot written enabling platforms practically modification fortran programs transparently stub routines provided handle cfortran interface modification user program programs required include header file plplot documentation details main documentation plplot directory form files consult additional information latex plotdoc documentation actual improvements code surprised features explained consult list recent present plplot work systems unix sunos unicos ultrix sysv linux amiga exec information plplot system appendices plplot manual system specific documentation directory subscriber plplot mailing list send request plplot request utexas credits plplot result effort people impractical list contributors supporting responsible package present form include maurice lebrun send comments flames patches responsible plplot kernel development work metafile xwindow xterm postscript tektronix amiga drivers email utexas usmail maurice lebrun institute fusion studies university texas austin geoff furnish send questions drivers geoff email furnish utexas usmail geoff furnish institute fusion studies university texas austin tony richardson creator plplot send questions installation plplot tony email duke usmail tony richardson tony richardson electrical engineering chapel hill road duke university durham durham 
macx color problem summary problem macx painting wrong colors keywords color window macx organization university illinois urbana lines peculiar color problem macx apple macintosh server problem happened current version version types client windows displayed parts windows wrong color window moved slightly forcing server repaint repainted correct colors happen xterm windows happened graphic windows motif clients stan kerr computing communications services office illinois urbana phone email stankerr 
info wanted security holes nntp posting host organization university missouri rolla lines compile list security holes send copy wrong group point list info holes info detect holes seal holes monitor activities info welcomed eric grad student obviousness enemy eric correctness bertrand russell univ missouri rolla 
athena text widget organization national institute standards technology gaithersburg lines create single line text widget entering small amount text fixed width horizontal scrollbar scrolls automatically user types order insertion point visible problems addition horizontal scrollbar make text widget taller cover part text scrollbar scroll automatically user types text order insertion point visible appreciated mike michael strawbridge tele usmail national institute standards arpa straw nist technology uucp uunet durer straw bldg gaithersburg 
widget displaying images nntp posting host marvin organization cleveland clinic foundation cleveland distribution lines teach write widget invent wheel widget displays grey level image fashion athena plotter widget display plot robert cothren department biomedical engineering cleveland clinic foundation voice cleveland ohio 
pixmap size organization dept computer science dresden germany lines distribution world reply andre beck dresden nntp posting host irzr dresden article haase helmut haase goebel writes problem maximum size pixmaps decwindows decstation running ultrix system decwindows color display pixels hardware able allocate larger pixmaps similar problems onyone configre system larger pixmaps suggestins send mail haase servers accelerators boards local offscreen memory limited slow handle limit brain inside andre beck abpsoft mehl andre beck dresden 
circular motif widgets organization acsc lines distribution world nntp posting host hollywood acsc support round circular widgets motif release love circular knob widget slider cheers 
gateway organization community access unix internet project lines article christy concordia christy writes gateway configure specifically correct xconfig file entry graphics card monitor color crystalscan monitor vesa local ultra vram video card advance operating system sysv contact people bought running linux similar good luck send replies christy christy voice reason midst liberalnet mike chapman higher lifeform trapped human body fourdee political correctness tool mentally disadvantaged raise taxes middle class unknown 
cursor size problems organization western software laboratory lines distribution world reply gringort joel gringorten nntp posting host tantalus article mbell mike bell writes apologies read solved posting problems creating cursor bigger motif running functions return valid results cursor appears bitmap bigger aforementioned size code unsigned xquerybestcursor xtdisplay programarea xtwindow programarea return nearest size require returns width height wrong round problem workstation hardware cursor support server generate software cursor generally difference cursor blinks screen activity software cursor hardware cursor battling server familiar hardware cursor chips display cursors greater server echoing preferred cursor size checking vaguely recall server revisions reality stuck maximum size cursor server returns joel 
virtual mouse open organization sophomore civil engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew virtual mouse simulation told setting resource continues work running olvwm olwm 
xman source reply jlong john long organization bell northern research lines xman source xman source 
xrdb xdefaults unchanged organization computer sciences corp lines distribution world nntp posting host helios resource problem brian wilson wscrawl wonderful interactive conferencing program running openwindows sparc defaults xdefaults file wscrawl telepointername kevin wscrawl syncscrollbars true wscrawl continuoustelepointer true wscrawl showpointercoordinates false wscrawl background lightblue wscrawl swindow foreground yellow wscrawl draw area frame foreground blue wscrawl keyboardfocuspolicy pointer naturally exited server restarted adding lines xdefaults cmdtool home xrdb xdefaults start wscrawl defaults properly wonderful operative manually invoking afore mentioned xrdb command xrdb xdefaults defaults change xrdb call xinitrc file xrdb home xdefaults xrdb home xdefaults adding xrdb home xdefaults beginning openwin init file notions kevin weinrich computer sciences corp 
definitions emacs organization university chicago astronomy astrophysics lines emacs customize keyboard stuff emacs keymap define keys access keys terminal keyboard home pgup pgdn keycode feeling fixed emacs xmodmap stuff checked posted similar message emacs response emacs file inside cond string match xterm getenv term defvar xterm make sparse keymap keymap xterm special keys define xterm prefix fset xterm prefix xterm keys define xterm goto line define xterm line define xterm rmail define xterm replace string define xterm line define xterm kill line define xterm yank define xterm beginning line define xterm line define xterm scroll define xterm scroll keys keys define xterm mark command andrew jaffe ajaffe uchicago astronomy astrophysics chicago ellis chicago 
property problems reply klee organization synoptics communications santa clara lines nntp posting host bugsbunny synoptics article wsmart dundee bill smart writes number back client appatom xinternatom display applicationwindow true xgetwindowproperty display defaultrootwindow display appatom false window return type return format nitems return return place appears back valid number return number window number stored property return place incorrect pointer integer xgetwindowproperty allocates memory copies data returns pointer memory free memory klee 
organization westfaelischen wilhelms universitaet muenster germany lines nntp posting host asterix muenster compile xdvi emacs ultrix machine installed libs headers missing compile distribution pleasy reply email viola muenster advance 
problem libxmu sunos reply acker waii organization western geophysical exploration products lines nntp posting host waii patch sunos patch posted export optionally apply patch olit libxmu compiles fine clients bmtoa errors figure wrong fpcc struct return gram deftwmrc window list parse menus events resize util version iconmgr cursor icons wgep path path lxmu extensions extensions lxext extensions lxext wgep lsocket lnsl warning file extensions libxext attempted multiple inclusion file libxext undefined referenced symbol file xtappsetwarningmsghandler libxmu xtscreendatabase libxmu xtdisplaystringconversionwarning libxmu xterrormsg libxmu xtrealloc libxmu xtismanaged libxmu xtmalloc libxmu xtgetapplicationresources libxmu xtownselection libxmu xtgetconstraintresourcelist libxmu xtcalloc libxmu xtname libxmu xtstringconversionwarning libxmu xtappsettypeconverter libxmu xtdisplaytoapplicationcontext libxmu xtgetresourcelist libxmu xtfree libxmu xtdestroywidget libxmu xtgetvalues libxmu xtwarningmsg libxmu xttranslatecoords libxmu xtcvtstringtofont libxmu xtwidgettoapplicationcontext libxmu xtwarning libxmu xtcreatewidget libxmu xtwindowofobject libxmu xtvasetvalues libxmu xtappwarningmsg libxmu xtgetselectionvalue libxmu xtresolvepathname libxmu fatal symbol referencing errors output written error code douglas acker western geophysical exploration products division western atlas international litton dresser company internet acker waii voice 
event propagation organization department scientific computing uppsala university lines problem bugging create windows child root event mask buttonpressmask keypressmask child propagate mask buttonpressmask keypressmask keypress events discarded buttonpress events fall subwindow xnews olvwm fundamentally wrong 
motif athena organization official spokesperson ford motor company lines reply mike connor nntp posting host ford article rgooch csiro richard gooch writes involved people linux stay cutting bleeding edge kernel patches library compiler patches people rebuild entire systems prime requirement linux software style public license linux software athena widgets xview individuals write software requiring motif doubt widely adopted shameless plug widgets make athena nicer alternative stock athena code mike michael connor internet ford ford motor company opeo uucp fmsrl opeo rotunda bldg phone dearborn 
sunview organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop xpert alex vanderbilt doubt question find answer faqs find sunview application convert openlook motiv remember hearing time tools accomplish task public domain good advantages reimplementing interface simple answer obtain xview xview replacement sunview provided running openwindows free part contrib side release patrick mahan window washer mahan waking person unnecessarily considered lazarus long capital crime offense notebooks lazarus long 
motif athena organization intel corporation lines distribution world nntp posting host thunder intel originator tmcconne article bambi david hughes writes berry citr andrew berry writes ports motif linux cost recovery person bought rights redistribute activity linux news groups pertaining motif high divergence commercial commercial software free software athena openlook widget sets commercial software motif widget sets workstation motif default free unix platforms causing major problems concerns port motif cheap source cheap limited libraries motif port compiled older versions motif told motif running unix platforms motif unable libraries build motif clients link errors vendor supplied port motif anticipate problem result build motif clients rely motif compiled true port motif sort ruins idea free cheers mcconnell mcconnell internet tmcconne intel intel corp phone chandler blvd opinions expressed chandler mind claim 
image processing packages keywords medical informatics nntp posting host sbmishra organization state university york stony brook lines package implements standard image processing functions reading writing standard formats clipping zoom implemented public domain private packages interest application area mind medical imaging package meant general context acceptable reply summarize general interest prateek mishra mishra sunysb 
xcopyplane question reply klee organization synoptics communications santa clara lines nntp posting host bugsbunny synoptics article nancie nancie marin writes xcopyplane copy single plane depth pixmap depth pixmap everytime absolutely displayed data depth pixmap becuase checked xcopyarea screen code fragment reasonable logic valid appears deep pixmap plane data plane klee 
changing request size organization university mexico albuquerque lines nntp posting host carina article oliver jones writes mcclenne upenn nennelccm nodrog writes change maximum request size server ordinarily highest underlying change running image type applications steve hsteve hsteve 
interface access separate appl organization university mexico albuquerque lines nntp posting host carina article dbohdal harris writes dear xperts problem designing related applications separate executable build single control window user access application locate correct icon control window button application pressing application main window application button color status indicator good ideas separate executables communications nightmare wrong ideas motif dbohdal harris methods fork execv system called program assuming running unix steve hsteve hsteve 
opinions galaxy summary negative experiences keywords builders evaluation organization macdonald dettwiler associates lines evaluating builders initially motif flexible portable popular names uimx teleuse impressed galaxy visix spoken current users list supplied visix happy users expect favourable comments fairly expensive evaluation license visix query negative experiences galaxy evaluate prefer tool galaxy regret find features advthanksance phil phil gray voice macdonald dettwiler commerce parkway richmond canada uunet mdavcr 
keyboard focussing organization acsc lines distribution world nntp posting host hollywood acsc motif widgets control keyboard mouse keyboard focus widget click mouse lose keyboard focus kind soul show acsc 
definitions emacs organization cambridge england lines nntp posting host apus article ajaffe uchicago andrew jaffe writes emacs customize keyboard stuff emacs keymap define keys access keys terminal keyboard home pgup pgdn keycode feeling fixed emacs xmodmap stuff worse problem emacs internal table defines keys accept table system dependent shift pageup work xmodmap sufficient worked make work ordinary pageup shift cursorright work customised things note emacs problem xmodmap emacs configuration nick maclaren university cambridge computer laboratory museums site pembroke street cambridge england email 
problem libxmu sunos reply acker waii organization western geophysical exploration products lines nntp posting host waii article waii doug acker writes patch sunos patch posted export optionally apply patch olit libxmu compiles fine clients bmtoa errors figure wrong fpcc struct return gram deftwmrc window list parse menus events resize util version iconmgr cursor icons wgep path path lxmu extensions extensions lxext extensions lxext wgep lsocket lnsl warning file extensions libxext attempted multiple inclusion file libxext undefined referenced symbol file xtwindowofobject libxmu fatal symbol referencing errors output written error code problem sunpost defined douglas acker western geophysical exploration products division western atlas international litton dresser company internet acker waii voice 
xterm build problem solaris reply acker waii organization western geophysical exploration products lines nntp posting host waii continuing build problems stuck build xterm fpcc struct return xterm main input charproc cursor util tabs screen scrollbar button tekproc misc vtprstbl tekprstbl data menu wgep path path lxaw lxmu extensions lxext wgep lsocket lnsl ltermcap undefined referenced symbol file index ucblib libtermcap termcap rindex ucblib libtermcap termcap fatal symbol referencing errors output written xterm error code make fatal error command failed target xterm clues douglas acker western geophysical exploration products division western atlas international litton dresser company internet acker waii voice 
dynamic changing title organization xerox newsreader version lines program insert code title changed window dynamicly location create scratch advance hosid dloslv xerox 
rasterops colorboard mark mark davies distribution world organization dept comp victoria wellington zealand nntp posting host bats comp lines based xserver rasterops colorboard board xsun patches supporting frame buffers rasterops cgtwelve rasterops buying cheers mark 
binary dists create comp unix univel organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop xpert mouse mcrcim mcgill article mouse wrote confused socialistic hackers yell proprietary software enamored motif objectionable mindset news wear socialistic hacker moment news motif brush brush technical begging pardon slamming motif necessarily plugging flaming responding sweet blithe statement rick digibd rick richardson rick area microsoft advantage rick control show issues rick licensees create incompatible defacto standards happy statement shows mindset inventors companies pleased works happy remember sunview stuff statement endorsing products experience openwindows stuff started hearing mentioned socialistic masses bent destroying deemed proprietary including openwindows mentioned motif breath decided turn attention hate richardson position healthy seething hackers flame destroy shows wanting free complaining organized structure facto standards vent frustration brought prevailing winds henne 
organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop xpert nenad sdsu folks good compiler supports microsoft windows windows marovac sdsu 
xrolo spacrc sunos audio organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop xpert expo send patches required xrolo compile sparcstation phone dialing feature sunos multimedia libaudio multimedia audio device functions case mail gateway accepts msgs advance shash shash chatterjee email software phone lockheed fort worth company worth 
imake book review organization reilly associates lines reply adrian nntp posting host enterpoop xpert offers review book received review copy return system crash lost list people adrian reilly associates adrian 
multi screen apps window managers originator organization battelle pacific labs lines working project provide emergency management information system keeping classic command control type systems developing dual screen monitor system order provide status board monitor number level questions devloping unix systems motif platform predominantly ports assuming standard dual monitor systems configured talking display multiple screens multiple displays changing input focus screen simple tracking mouse screen special shift focus screens separate window managers separate screens multiscreen window managers sells multi screen window manager grab window frame move window screen application transparently multiple screens logical plane hardware provide screen start thoughts difficulties involved designing system capable multiple screens single screen running virtual window manager simulate multiple screens assuming major issue rely providing config files configuration screen placement window application thoughts suggestions past experience pelkey phone battelle pacific northwest labs mail stop email pelkey richland 
ideal operating system death blow unix nntp posting host prawn organization imperial college science technology medicine london england lines windows step forward guess users multi tasking neat puke overjoyed able memory major improvement windows users upgrade facilities unix users granted windows users text processing running party applications operating system features real issue ideal operating system binary compatible plaforms recognize binaries configure multi cpus transputers dsps single site single vendor trade mflops transputer ultra fast chips note runs symmetric multi systems built portable graphics tools call drawbutton drawline thing matter platform display translate graphics commands graphics workstation software guis nice essential configurable front make unix shell scripts command files object oriented program easily invent wheel networking scratch application access source object code words capability tight clean kernel understand adios mail etemadi blackett laboratory space atmospheric physics group imperial college science technology medicine internet arpanet earn bitnet atae mssl span spva atae msslc atae 
ignore ideal operating system death blow unix nntp posting host prawn organization imperial college science technology medicine london england lines whoops wrong group soorry folks 
trouble compiling sunos nemo francisco ballesteros organization computer science clip madrid spain nntp posting host aguirre reply harvard message lines article harvard david meleedy writes compile patchlevel sparc sunos problem occurs initial make world compiling standard clients find libraries highly suspect program updated problem found link static clients francisco ballesteros nemo email nemo computer science clip phone campus montegancedo boadilla monte madrid spain 
server multi screen organization lines rainer eeam elin rainer hochreiter writes xperts simple questions terms thing give exact definition terms multi screen multi headed multi display server zaphod mode limit screens displays single server handle articel read upper limit capability called move cursor screen display hints rainer rainer hochreiter telephone elin energieanwendung gesmbh telefax penzingerstr wien austria europe mail rainer clients display server limit memory server allocated server indecision timothy neto flexibility gadget widget works mail flight systems boeing comm aircraft ideas boeing internet boeing 
motif maling list organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop xpert motif mailing list access network news longer motif list alfalfa joel joel reymont code software corporation mail joel code redwood suit rafael 
raster text widgets view version organization technical research centre finland lines distribution comp reply savela markku savela nntp posting host mime version content type text plain charset content transfer encoding version widgets export contrib export contrib readme details check readme extensive details time update functionality added version raster widget handles expose events slightly intelligently added simple program athena porthole panner widgets program demo viewer simple demonstration panner porthole usage copied editres markku savela savela technical research centre finland telecommunications laboratory otakaari espoo finland 
xterm build problem solaris organization stasys news server starnberg germany lines distribution inet nntp posting host stasys waii doug acker writes continuing build problems stuck build xterm fpcc struct return xterm main input charproc cursor util tabs screen scrollbar button tekproc misc vtprstbl tekprstbl data menu wgep path path 
question window keywords windows organization mcgill research centre intelligent machines lines article geology uiuc walter kreiling writes program running workstation based window system window running window terminal window invoked application started terminal emulator terminal emulator exist condition iconified virtual root window manager tvtwm relevant window portion virtual desktop real desktop terminal emulators provide environment variables giving window thing present environment correspond window server mouse mouse mcgill 
server multi screen organization mcgill research centre intelligent machines lines article rainer eeam elin rainer hochreiter writes terms thing give exact definition terms multi screen multi headed multi display server zaphod mode applied servers fuzzy terms multi headed system multiple monitors multiple screens multiplexed monitor display multi screen multi display strictly things strict meaning multi display refer system multiple keyboards pointers refers thing multi screen system multiple screens zaphod term applied server switches pointer screen sliding side screen limit screens displays single server handle articel read upper limit protocol limitation restricts display screens server handles multiple displays single invocation possibly kludges server looked based system necessarily limit displays machine limitation inherent read talking limit implementation claimed limit inherent author article business writing mouse mouse mcgill 
creating windows display organization mcgill research centre intelligent machines lines article stolk bram writes server visuals pseudocolor truecolor directcolor lucky problem occurs create window visual visual parent default visual xlib reference guide reilly read section xcteatewindow current implementation visual parent create find suitable colourmap window attributes creating badmatch occurs warning strangely mentioned newer editions guides applies equal force earlier versions recently author decide important mention necessity refers implicit createwindow requests default attributes window pass suitable colourmap badmatch create window default visual attr colormap cmap xcreatewindow copyfromparent border width depth inputoutput class vinfo visual visual cwcolormap attr warning read incomplete provide colormap border default border copyfromparent valid window depth match parent border pixmap correct depth border pixel problem problem find copyfromparent makes sense border width parameter xcreatewindow xlib implementation defines copyfromparent simplify conversion wire format unwittingly border width xlib implementation providing stricter type checking fair xlib catch mouse mouse mcgill 
memory xserver actual size organization mcgill research centre intelligent machines lines article pfuetz matthias pfuetzner writes possibility determine protocol calls size free memory xserver answer date grab server buffering user actions badalloc error indication insufficient server memory mouse mouse mcgill 
xwindows opaque keywords xwindow parent child relation organization mcgill research centre intelligent machines lines distribution comp misuse newsgroup hierarchy names distributions article hess informatik hamburg hauke hess writes parent window paint area childs attribute window attribute drawing subwindow mode includeinferiors default clipbychildren mouse mouse mcgill 
german keyboard sparc nntp posting host hacket dtek chalmers organization chalmers university technology gothenburg sweden lines claes heinz josef claes writes sparc german type keyboard patch export sunkbd martin forssen chalmers chalmers system administrator math dtek chalmers univ technology 
searching xgolf organization university bradford lines newsreader version recently found file xgolf german site reseq regent technik muenchen shar file incomplete author email address readme file markh work assist giving location full version golf game game contacting author reply email adrian savage university bradford email savage 
searching xgolf organization university north florida jacksonville lines xgolf program april fool joke steve hite shite 
macx color problem keywords color window macx organization lincoln laboratory lines stan kerr writes types client windows displayed parts windows wrong color window moved slightly forcing server repaint repainted correct colors happen exact problem running hewlett packard microwave design system unix running macx draws window deep blue backround occasionally light blue text inside window washed invisible thought brain dead subtle conflict init slightly moving window forcing draw colors corrected harry wolfson wolfson 
open organization techware design boulder lines article rgooch csiro richard gooch writes article bonds writes reposting post made built installed sparcstation server retain openlook window manager uncommon make change delete instance start local xnews openlook window manager source contrib tapes export suggest building version openwindows olwm suggest skipping olwm olvwm version olwm window manager implements virtual desktop find handy large monitors version export contrib olvwm readme file suggest files contrib xview case built server xview olvwm installed verified server worked correctly happily issued openwin build resulted windowing system intents purposes identical openwindows incredibly faster tweaking things work openwindows paul bash techware design bash boulder 
request tvtwm sources mods caley organization project pilgrim university massachusetts amherst lines distribution world reply srivasta umass nntp posting host mecca pilgrim umass back mists time patches written richard caley standars distribution patch level added regular expressions tvtwmrc file multiple icon regions squeezable icons deleteordestroy function patches longer find sources applied kind soul send pointer find sources updated patches richard pretty advance manoj 
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xterm build problem solaris organization ahold zaandam netherlands lines waii doug acker writes continuing build problems stuck build xterm fpcc struct return xterm main input charproc cursor util tabs screen scrollbar button tekproc misc vtprstbl tekprstbl data menu wgep path path lxaw lxmu extensions lxext wgep lsocket lnsl ltermcap undefined referenced symbol file index ucblib libtermcap termcap rindex ucblib libtermcap termcap fatal symbol referencing errors output written xterm error code make fatal error command failed target xterm clues lucb lelf list define index rindex strchr strrchr args sysv ahold room ankersmidplein zaandam netherlands dick heijne ahold 
compiling organization junior math computer science carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew piece code compiles fine pmax pmax mach mach compiles undefined errors floor wmshellwidgetclass applicationshellwidgetclass libraries linked lxaw lxmu lxext makefile generated imake template give pointers missing compile wilson 
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experience visix galaxy organization unify corporation sacramento lines article grier political crony writes title line galaxy package recently announced includes builder portable toolkit interested feedback year unix windows platforms opinion toolkit market supports rich high level mechanism file system abstraction memory management command driven application development drawing geometry management yeah open motif windows flip switch grier grier greg pasquariello hobnobbing ancients unify corporation uunet unify 
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trouble compiling sunos organization leibniz rechenzentrum muenchen germany lines nemo francisco ballesteros writes problem occurs initial make world compiling standard clients find libraries highly suspect program updated problem found link static clients sunos bernhard 
xterm build problem solaris organization western geophysical exploration products lines nntp posting host waii reply waii message waii doug acker doug nntp posting host waii doug continuing build problems stuck build xterm doug undefined referenced doug symbol file doug index ucblib libtermcap termcap doug rindex ucblib libtermcap termcap doug fatal symbol referencing errors output written xterm problem build library path unset path douglas acker western geophysical exploration products division western atlas international litton dresser company internet acker waii voice 
trouble compiling sunos organization experimental computing facility berkeley lines nntp posting host berkeley article schneck muenchen bernhard schneck writes nemo francisco ballesteros writes problem occurs initial make world compiling standard clients find libraries highly suspect program updated problem found link static clients sunos read fixes distribution problem apply fixes sunpost fcsld osteenyversion config running sunos apply patch edit site line aftervendorcf section define sunpost fcsld running sunos change osteenyversion config notes patch fixes config make sunos fails tree previously built sean welch 
title xterm keywords xterm organization cities dust lines naoumov sergei naoumov writes work stations current logname title xterm open machine closed words host logname title opened xterm host xterm closed thnsks advance serge serge astro window managers olwm derivates support escape sequences purpose login tcsh modify term xterm echo logname host host endif note stands enter pressing ctrl means ctrl press ctrl ctrl sequence puts string title icon current working directory title make alias alias echo logname host thomas thomas wolfram thomas berlin eantc berlin wolf berlin 
pointer feature summary multiple flushing pointers keywords pointers arrows cursors nntp posting host gudbransdal organization dominion university norfolk lines implement pointer feature xlib multiple windows input show output simultaneously displays implement pointer feature pointer windows choose pointer menu able give hints proceed replies greatly appreciated prakash 
server multi screen organization megatek corporation diego california lines article boeing timothy neto rainer eeam elin rainer hochreiter writes terms thing give exact definition terms multi screen multi headed multi display server zaphod mode limit screens displays single server handle articel read upper limit capability called move cursor screen display clients display server limit memory server allocated server sounds suspiciously company background megatek series framebuffers designed accelerators part designed sbus vendor systems megatek products support multi screen multi display sigle workstation cards keyboard mouse port provide additional displays hade sparcstation sbus expansion chassis frambuffers allowing total screens system attach keyboard mice allowing match combination screens displays screen display screen displays screen displays screen display screen display basically combination megatek careful words multi screen multi display meaning exact definitions reason ramble mention upper limit screens display define server determines screens supported server include misc maxscreens released released megatek screens supported single megatek display server construed limitation pointed neto case asked support rusty sanders megatek corp ucsd hplabs ames scubed uunet 
creating application contexts multiple times nntp posting host bruno colorado organization university colorado boulder lines subject describe problem read write function creates xtappcontext widget displays widget destroys returns problem multiple calls function variety problems including depending calls make things core dump badpixmap error widget unmapped simple program wrote show problem include include include void xtappcontext display xopendisplay junk widget xtappinitialize test null junk null null null widget xtvacreatemanagedwidget blaa xmpushbuttonwidgetclass xmnheight xmnwidth null xtrealizewidget xtappmainloop xevents xevent event xtappnextevent event xtdispatchevent event xtunrealizewidget xtdestroywidget xtdestroyapplicationcontext xclosedisplay main note rewrote xtappmainloop time xevents function exit return main program error consistent call error failed request badpixmap invalid pixmap parameter major opcode failed request creategc resource failed request serial number failed request current serial number output stream xtunrealizewidget line dumps core seconds call time call xtappinitialize time warning initializing resource lists warning initializing translation manager finally question order able call function creates xtappcontext widgets multiple times greatly appreciated respond email dont time read group davewood david wood davewood colorado university colorado boulder 
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xcopyplane question reply buzz buzz moschetti organization bear stearns fast lines reply whaley message article whaley whaley writes popular reason graphics show wait expose event drawing rectangle suppose idle realized mapped window xlib graphics button widget pressed item drawn window action call xcopyarea equiv directly register existence item memory structure expose event handler care rendering image time guaranteed window mapped problem expose event generated window visible mapped tickle window expose event handler invoked draw item 
xwindows opaque organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop xpert hess informatik hamburg writes parent window paint area childs implement rubberband multiple xwindows select objects displayed window subwindow mode attribute includeinferiors default clipbychildren beware children depth parent semantics undefined protocol gerard driscoll gerard odriscoll pont pixel systems 
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creating windows display organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop xpert stolk writes problem occurs create window visual visual parent default visual border pixel window attributes default copyfromparent badmatch unsigned long valuemask border width alloc colour cmap pixel valuemask makes code obvious attr colormap cmap attr border pixel valuemask cwcolormap cwborderpixel xcreatewindow defaultrootwindow width height border width comment depth inputoutput class vinfo visual visual valuemask attr note border width code looked xcreatewindow defaultrootwindow width height copyfromparent border width depth inputoutput class vinfo visual visual cwcolormap attr border width copyfromparent works make sense border width unsigned copyfromparent define happened defined interesting window gerard driscoll gerard odriscoll pont pixel systems 
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title xterm organization dept computer science dresden germany lines distribution world reply andre beck dresden nntp posting host irzr dresden keywords xterm article thomas berlin thomas wolfram writes work stations current logname title xterm open machine closed words host logname title opened xterm host xterm closed window managers olwm derivates support escape sequences purpose login tcsh modify term xterm echo logname host host endif feature window manager xterm sequences ansi compatible compatible sequences device control sequence introduced sequence exists work dxterm ansi compatible work xterms brain inside andre beck abpsoft mehl andre beck dresden 
server problems organization computer science concordia university montreal quebec lines running error message start xserver setting dontlinger option supported protocol version windows system protocol version revision vendor release fatal server error screens found giving xinit software cased connection abort errno unable connect xserver error means experienced problem appreciated advance send replies christy 
solution xrdb xdefaults unchanged organization computer sciences corp lines distribution world nntp posting host helios short answer package wscrawl reset defaults missing xdefaults file added missing xdefaults file problem kevin kevin weinrich computer sciences corp 
icon organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop xpert dbohdal dear xperts place specific group icons icon icons motif dbohdal harris 
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pixmap size reply klee organization synoptics communications santa clara lines nntp posting host bugsbunny synoptics article haase helmut haase goebel writes create pixmap larger size screen program terminate displaying message error badalloc insufficient resources servers supporting graphics accelerators creation pixmaps exeeding size screen workaround create smaller pixmaps results klee 
circular motif widgets reply klee organization synoptics communications santa clara lines nntp posting host bugsbunny synoptics article acsc writes support round circular widgets motif release love circular knob widget slider support prohibits implementing widget write versions functions draw shadow traversal highlighting klee 
desqview organization quarterdeck office systems santa monica lines article gpatapis tansu writes article aecl harrisp aecl writes desqview great shines imho unix users windows applications display screens desqview desqview suggested retail desqview systems suggested retail running supported network softwares pctcp novell workplace microsystems beame whiteside wollongong pathway tcpip microsoft manager network stuff quarterdeck give copy novell tcpip transprot network manager info sending email appropriately info info customer service department technical questions write support opinion people logging running applications megs xwindows software desqviewx tseng labs chipset based graphics card personally found things scsi drive esdi drives experience sort traffic generated calls curious find required bandwidth link machine running supporting multiple users clients require adequate response time ideas expect limiting factor server machine network give real world quarterdeck roughly people talk bunch unix boxes novell file servers load ethernet concentrators people segment badly loaded apps wanted network intensive slowdowns biggest problem machine plenty fast hard disk network card people running programs slowdowns effectively attempt tasks idle make give time slice working programs running tweak programs adding calls give time slices idle sort thing people machine started slowdowns time network bandwidth depends programs slowdown bandwidth sooner apps network things quarterdeck office systems internet support bortels pricing ordering info tech questions support compuserve quarterdeck touch tone phone technotes demand 
xview slider organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop xpert netters sliders xview apps editable numeric field control length field apps appears long characters maximum panel understand panel display length controls number characters displayed text items work case slider fact panel multiline text item panel numeric text item panel slider item panel text item attributes panel notify level panel attr attr enum panel display length panel attr attr hint attribute sliders setting attribute ting attribute warning attribute return share experience managing sliders xview clear problem appreciated yuri yuri 
mysterious beeping nntp posting host hpclapd organization hewlett packard newsreader version lines article crossposted windows author andy defaria posted reason code application beep intercept keystroke change meaning intent code date fields special keys insert today date bump bump hardcoded dates xmtext field reason code beeps special keys idea code interpret keys special meaning implied code beeping beep lose understanding beeping occuring include include include include include widget toplevel widget mainwindow widget mainpane widget datefield xtappcontext application void marktoday widget date char todaysdate xtvasetvalues date xmnvalue todaysdate null marktoday void marktomorrow widget date char tomorrowsdate xtvasetvalues date xmnvalue tomorrowsdate null marktomorrow void markyesterday widget date char yesterdaysdate xtvasetvalues date xmnvalue yesterdaysdate null markyesterday void datekeys widget callingwidget widget date xmtextverifyptr callbackdata capture keys change behaviour found doit false interpret keystroke switch callbackdata text case case marktoday date callbackdata doit false return case case markyesterday date callbackdata doit false return case case marktomorrow date callbackdata doit false return default return switch datekeys void main cardinal argc char argv initialize toplevel xtvaappinitialize application application null argc argv null null create toolface mainwindow xtvacreatemanagedwidget mainwindow xmmainwindowwidgetclass toplevel null create mainwindow mainpane xtvacreatemanagedwidget mainpane xmrowcolumnwidgetclass mainwindow null create small text area datefield xtvacreatemanagedwidget datefield xmtextwidgetclass mainpane xmntopattachment xmattach form xmnrightattachment xmattach form xmncolumns null modifyverifycallback datekeys callback xtaddcallback datefield xmnmodifyverifycallback xtcallbackproc datekeys xtpointer datefield realize toplevel xtrealizewidget toplevel xtmainloop xtappmainloop application main swear life love andrew defaria live sake hewlett packard live mine california language labs john galt defaria swear life love andrew defaria live sake hewlett packard live mine california language labs john galt defaria 
windows motif design differences future unix nntp posting host swat organization propulsion laboratory nasa distribution lines writes important difference window handle sophisticated geometry management xmform advantage windows advantage anymore david smyth david devvax nasa senior software engineer temp mail object guru tempory office propulsion grove drive pasadena earliest date prove demarco 
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macro recorder player organization media laboratory lines aything similar quickeys macintosh store playback sequences keystrokes menu selections mouse actions directing application send information availability hard send input applications deal responses appropriately application seconds process wait complete sending command david 
monthly question xcopyarea expose events reply buzz buzz moschetti organization bear stearns fast lines posting question answered suppose idle realized mapped window xlib graphics button widget pressed item drawn window action call xcopyarea equiv directly register existence item memory structure expose event handler handles regular expose events window manager driven exposures care rendering image expose event handler proper time handler called xlib window guaranteed mapped problem expose event generated window visible mapped tickle window expose handler arguments enable render part window item tickle window produce behavior 
seeking user experience based test tools organization siemens industrial automation johnson city distribution lines experience xrunner capbak prevuex automated test tool email directly opinions positive negative freeman siemens industrial automation johnson city tijc 
drawing lines inverse organization media laboratory lines write code lets draw lines rubber band boxes motif running display created colormap colors draw lines drawing area widget widget displaying bitmap xputimage matter lines draw interactively stay window refreshed draw interactively begin drawindex colortable index reserve foreground default color color index background image palette colors drawindex palette colors default color palette colors drawindex green palette colors default color green palette colors drawindex blue palette colors default color blue xstorecolors mydisplay cmap palette colors drawindex xflush mydisplay xsetfunction mydisplay gxxor xsetforeground mydisplay drawindex draw xdrawline mydisplay xtwindow drawingarea xflush mydisplay return things normal xsetfunction mydisplay gxcopy happen lines draw inverse drawing white lines lines white background shows lines black area shows strange gxxor function rubber banding erases redraws correctly disturbing underlying image suggestions wrong david 
monthly question xcopyarea expose events reply mikey organization silicon graphics lines nntp posting host eukanuba article buzz buzz moschetti writes posting question answered resist questions problem expose event generated window visible mapped tickle window expose handler arguments enable render part window item tickle window produce behavior expose event handler intelligent exposed rectangle information xcleararea generate expose event assuming background pixel enclosing rectangle item great items contained rectangle unnecessarily redrawn expose event handler simply redraws work drawing item existing scene mike yang silicon graphics mikey 
motif environment organization columbia university center telecommunications research posted nova columbia nntp posting host columbia lines implements server xwindows xview notify enable call automatically executes processes detects incoming request similar function motif perform function appreciated chan nchan columbia 
xlib organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop xpert developing application include graphics window sort moving symbols things pure application implemented motif widgets xmdrawingarea drawing xlib advantage graphics library application program subroutines xmdrawingarea window opened xopenwindow winopen time winopen called opens connection server calls require display unlike calls initial information appears mixed easily true graphigs functionality environment aixwindows motif advance graham jade simulations international corp colonnade road suite nepean ontario canada graham jade 
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monthly question xcopyarea expose events organization school computer science carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply excerpts netnews comp windows monthly question xcop buzz moschetti button widget pressed item drawn window action call xcopyarea equiv directly register existence item memory structure expose event handler handles regular expose events window manager driven exposures care rendering image hmm depends programming model forbidden draw context expose event internal data structures maintained visual appearance maintained properly expose event generated preclude drawing immediately updating datastructures 
wanted critiques multi windowing system toolkits organization nasa goddard space flight center lines nntp posting host kong gsfc nasa pointers articles personal opinions critiquing user interface toolkits operate windowing systems windows macintosh open interface aspect reply opinion briefly state choice short discussion steve maher maher gsfc nasa steve maher voice flight dynamics division maher gsfc nasa nasa goddard space flight center 
motif environment nntp posting host milli organization university minnesota minneapolis csci dept lines article nchan columbia chan writes implements server xwindows xview notify enable call automatically executes processes detects incoming request similar function motif perform function xrpc package year export hogg ianhogg 
colormap question organization university massachusetts amherst lines nntp posting host freya umass experts kind question strange modify contents colormap failed reason piece code toplevel xtinitialize argv testcolor null argc argv xtdisplay toplevel defaultscreen colormap defaultcolormap xalloccolorcells colormap true null cells color pixel cells color color green color blue color flags dored dogreen doblue xstorecolor colormap color printf allocate color color pixel color color green color blue xquerycolor colormap color printf allocate color color pixel color color green color blue printf error allocate color cells running output allocate color allocate color xstorecolor xquerycolor returned original failure error displayed contents colormap obvious unchanged draw line colors turned unmodified colors problem modify contents colormap information appreciated send mail yang umass william email yang umass environment output xdpyinfo shows default visual pseudocolor version number vendor string decwindows digitalequipmentcorporation vendor release number maximum request size longwords bytes motion buffer size bitmap unit order padding lsbfirst image byte order lsbfirst number supported pixmap formats supported pixmap formats depth bits pixel scanline depth bits pixel scanline keycode range minimum maximum number extensions adobe extension dpsextension shape multi buffering xinputextension sundry nonstandard xtrap default screen number number screens screen dimensions pixels millimeters resolution dots inch depths root window depth root window planes number colormaps minimum maximum default colormap default number colormap cells preallocated pixels black white options backing store save unders current input event mask keypressmask buttonpressmask buttonreleasemask enterwindowmask substructureredirectmask propertychangemask colormapchangemask number visuals default visual visual visual class pseudocolor depth planes size colormap entries green blue masks significant bits color specification bits visual visual class grayscale depth planes size colormap entries green blue masks significant bits color specification bits visual visual class staticgray depth planes size colormap entries green blue masks significant bits color specification bits visual visual class staticcolor depth planes size colormap entries green blue masks significant bits color specification bits visual visual class truecolor depth planes size colormap entries green blue masks significant bits color specification bits number mono multibuffer types visual buffers depth visual buffers depth visual buffers depth visual buffers depth visual buffers depth number stereo multibuffer types 
macx color problem reply dshaker organization qualix group lines article uiuc kerr uiuc stan kerr writes peculiar color problem macx apple macintosh server problem happened current version version types client windows displayed parts windows wrong color window moved slightly forcing server repaint repainted correct colors happen xterm windows happened graphic windows motif clients expect colormap full application starts colors colormap pick choose existing colors makes ugly window priority macx colormap selected exact colors wanted applications make colormap problem color servers color xservers demands applications exceed size colormap solution avoid colormap greedy apps display applications color icing cake monochrome mode color option application doug shaker voice email dshaker mail qualix group norfolk mateo qualix maintains mailserver information files demo versions products information mailserver send email qfacts uunet qualix qfacts email form begin send send index address phone 
forcing window manager accept specific coordinates window organization columbia university department computer science lines figure make window manager place window create window command tells application reason override redirect embellishments window manager accept choice location tvtwm uncooperative ethan 
mysterious beeping nntp posting host hpcvusj reply tommc organization hewlett packard corvallis lines article defaria andy defaria writes article crossposted windows author andy defaria posted reason code application beep intercept keystroke change meaning intent code date fields special keys insert today date bump bump hardcoded dates xmtext field reason code beeps special keys idea code interpret keys special meaning implied code beeping beep lose understanding beeping occuring code deleted xmtextfield page discussion resources xmnverifybell specifies bell sound action reversed verification callback setting doit false callback text field beeping turn behavior boolean resource false mcfarland 
monthly question xcopyarea expose events organization nasa goddard space flight center lines distribution world nntp posting host narya gsfc nasa originator dealy gsfc nasa posting question answered suppose idle realized mapped window xlib graphics button widget pressed item drawn window action call xcopyarea equiv directly register existence item memory structure expose event handler handles regular expose events window manager driven exposures care rendering image expose event handler proper time handler called xlib window guaranteed mapped problem expose event generated window visible mapped tickle window expose handler arguments enable render part window item tickle window produce behavior understand problem correctly send exposures manager widget specific code draws xlib graphics window sounds send exposure xsendevent region region send exposure generally bounding rectangle objects xcreateregion create region xunionrectwithregion object polygons region region clip redraw xrectinregion test objects redrawn keeping mind stacking order overlapping objects affects hope helps brian dealy knowing dealy gsfc nasa important knowing uunet dftsrv kong dealy dylan brian dealy knowing dealy gsfc nasa important knowing uunet dftsrv kong dealy dylan 
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find appcontext organization diego state university college sciences lines nntp posting host ucssun sdsu keywords context motif application newsreader version call give application context fixing motif program xtappaddtimeout argument context call give todd greene masc sdsu 
xcopyplane question organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop xpert article buzz buzz moschetti write article whaley whaley writes popular reason graphics show wait expose event drawing rectangle suppose idle realized mapped window xlib graphics button widget pressed item drawn window action call xcopyarea equiv directly register existence item memory structure expose event handler care rendering image time guaranteed window mapped problem expose event generated window visible mapped tickle window expose event handler invoked draw item original question previously stated xcopyarea depth pixmap screen make image data problem expose events xcopyplane working code fragment send demonstrating xcopyplane works helpful nancie marin nancie ensco mail pineda melbourne 
solaris organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop xpert netcom version ported solaris including ansi numerous problems compile solaris functions prototypes user group email answers list tulinsky capital management sciences west angeles manually address answers zuma netcom 
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xcopyplane question reply buzz message organization kubota pacific computer lines article whaley whaley writes popular reason graphics show wait expose event drawing rectangle suppose idle realized mapped window xlib graphics button widget pressed item drawn window action call xcopyarea equiv directly register existence item memory structure expose event handler care rendering image time guaranteed window mapped problem expose event generated window visible mapped tickle window expose event handler invoked draw item specifically made comment assuming code fragment simple open draw quit client question button handler object call window redraw directly depending application structured problem rendering object directly response button press kenneth whaley kubota pacific computer email whaley walsh avenue santa clara 
title drag crashes server sigpipe organization computer science department blacksburg lines environment mach arch sparc sunos patchlevel motif bring server startx xsun sequence actions crashes server sigpipe errno xinit reports connexion server lost xinit xsun start start client font move window dragging title server dumps core sigpipe messages printed connection server lost connection broken errno reported client server debug level actions reports select returns server terminated unexpectedly status note problem occur window managers olwm library path running font server start client fixed width font problem font path fonts misc fonts speedo fonts fonts mkfontdir fonts fonts fonts fonts speedo fonts misc problem occur machines problem workstations questions hell goin status server greatly hints problem ramakrishnan dept mcbryde hall vatech 
xlock organization lawrence livermore national laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host morbid llnl found oddity indigo mips chip xlock nolock running working remotely batch mode runtime programs timed clock code slower xlock running processes affect runtimes consistent explanations real imagined dale llnl 
intrinsics slow popups organization department computer science university york england lines keywords running sample problems reilly volume intrisics programming manual chapter popup dialog boxes page creating dialog application creates window button quit press button press pops dialog strange feature program pops dialog faster time time time slower experience sample programs behaviour fast response time time slow response time time onwards give ideas program popups time popup reasonable fast response time thankyou shirley 
motif environment nntp posting host lichen reply janzen organization teltech lines article ianhogg hogg writes article nchan columbia chan writes implements server xwindows xview notify enable call automatically executes processes detects incoming request similar function motif perform function xrpc package year export glad hear working find export simon leinen added imakefile athena version made file liasun epfl contrib xrpc note suffix gzip liasun uncompress work send note happy mail copy start holidays tomorrow martin janzen janzen teltech nelson burnaby canada dublin folks pint guinness mulligan 
drawing lines inverse organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop xpert dyoung write code lets draw lines rubber band boxes motif running display created colormap colors draw lines drawing area widget widget displaying bitmap xputimage matter lines draw interactively stay window refreshed draw interactively begin drawindex colortable index reserve foreground default color color index background image palette colors drawindex palette colors default color palette colors drawindex green palette colors default color green palette colors drawindex blue palette colors default color blue xstorecolors mydisplay cmap palette colors drawindex xflush mydisplay xsetfunction mydisplay gxxor xsetforeground mydisplay drawindex draw xdrawline mydisplay xtwindow drawingarea xflush mydisplay return things normal xsetfunction mydisplay gxcopy happen lines draw inverse drawing white lines lines white background shows lines black area shows strange gxxor function rubber banding erases redraws correctly disturbing underlying image suggestions wrong work color display foreground foreground background patrick mahan window washer mahan waking person unnecessarily considered lazarus long capital crime offense notebooks lazarus long 
timeout summary force strip chart update nntp posting host ucsu colorado organization university colorado boulder lines problem athena strip chart widget calling function pretty happening xtappmainloop dealing events sockets timeout strip chart widget call callback fast matter call xtngetvalue callback parameter proc xtpointer call data words force strip chart widget update ideas christopher bailey internet baileyc colorado university colorado boulder compuserve ride fast chances 
transparent widgets organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop xpert cerna write application annotation notes existing documents annotation times people idea acetate transparencies stacked user oclock client 
multi screen apps window managers organization elin energeanwendung lines nntp posting host eeam elin newsreader version pelkey phone battelle pacific northwest labs mail stop email pelkey richland interested questions answers email repost rainer rainer hochreiter telephone elin energieanwendung gesmbh telefax penzingerstr wien austria europe mail rainer 
find appcontext organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop xpert masc sdsu call give application context fixing motif program xtappaddtimeout argument context call give xtdisplaytoapplicationcontext retreive application context patrick mahan window washer mahan waking person unnecessarily considered lazarus long capital crime offense notebooks lazarus long patrick mahan window washer mahan waking person unnecessarily considered lazarus long capital crime offense notebooks lazarus long 
device driver bird nntp posting host raccoon organization institute systems science newsreader lines written device driver ascension bird xwindows suresh thennarangam email suresh internet research scholar isst bitnet institute systems science national university singapore facs heng keng terrace telex issnus singapore 
forcing window manager accept specific coordinates window organization colorado school mines lines article ethan solomita writes figure make window manager place window create window command tells application reason override redirect embellishments window manager accept choice location window xcreatewindow xsettransientforhint display window window xmapwindow cheating window managers refuse give border stuff works 
devguide motif solaris ease motif burden summary helps software developers support motif keywords motif devguide organization protools lines developed number applications devguide found tool impressed level integration affords connection editor love general ease talked tali aben today devguide motif helpful provided input version devguide tali enthusiatic comments mentioned post email message offered receive additional comments devguide evolve send comments list raving devguide tali aben pretty cool company cares computers future frankly idea offer migration capability domf integrated tooltalk capability pointed march sunexpert magazine technology works crankout interfaces devguide price outstanding 
running dxterm apollo organization university western sydney nepean newsreader lines dxterm decs xterm decstation ultrix motif display variable apollo domain motif errors appearing decstation dxterm toolkit warning convert string apchardel type virtualbinding toolkit warning convert string apcopy type virtualbinding toolkit warning convert string apcut type virtualbinding toolkit warning convert string appaste type virtualbinding toolkit warning convert string apupbox type virtualbinding toolkit warning convert string apdownbox type virtualbinding toolkit warning convert string aprightbar type virtualbinding toolkit warning convert string apleftbar type virtualbinding segmentation fault ideas motif problem apollo versions motif incompatible xkeysymdb xterms fine displaying apollo arggh dxterm package oracle case dxterm default apollo workstations oracle andrew leahy nepean andrew leahy phone pepsi western sydney nepean remote email nepean sydney australia local email 
xalloccolor fails return nearest match reply ngorelic usgs organization colorado school mines lines posted friend looked faqs xalloccolor supposed order find exact match read color cell hardware limits allocate read colorcell match fails return colorcell match read colors allocated colormap sounds good theory work exact match colormap unallocated cells xalloccolor fails allocated cells dozens read cells colormap feature misunderstanding part appreciated noel ngorelic usgs 
xlib windows xserver organization laser scan cambridge lines article smikes steven mikes writes company congruent corporation york city ported xlib motif windows full client development applications environment send postal email address congruent corporation competitors snail washing hands conflict powerful powerless means side powerful neutral quote freire poster oxfam 
xcopyplane question reply buzz buzz moschetti organization bear stearns fast lines reply whaley message article whaley whaley writes question button handler object call window redraw directly depending design work easily advantage expose event redraw optimization window redrawn area item replying mailer agree return address whaley 
problem libararies organization computer science department university cape town lines compile source code mpeg animation viewer windows code site modified makefile instructed errors message linked util video parseblock motionvector decoders fast hybrid hybriderr gdith gray mono main jrevdct util ordered ordered ordered libx libxext mpeg play undefined referenced symbol file getnetpath libx alloc libx unbind libx open libx rcvdis libx netdir free libx error libx netdir getbyname libx getnetconfigent libx libx errno libx close libx netdir getbyaddr libx listen libx libx setnetpath libx bind libx connect libx accept libx perror libx inet addr libx mpeg play fatal error symbol referencing errors output written mpeg play error code make fatal error missing functions located posted unix groups suggestions error unix system machines terminals separate called terminals dedicated times windows gidget time programming speak alot graphics things mail gerard 
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intrinsics slow popups nntp posting host tweety reply bryan organization alex technologies london england lines article cjhs york writes application creates window button quit press button press pops dialog strange feature program pops dialog faster time time time slower shell waiting window manager respond positioning request window manager responding thinks window place components sulk unclear information greatly received bryan 
decnet organization international lines nntp posting host jupiter work decnet ultrix machine running decnet number terminals hanging ultrix host running decnet presently login procedure terminals basically windows client able decnet protocol tower inclination typical client making specific socket calls case answer decnet feedback appreciated 
compiling reply mccoy nasa organization lines article wilson swee writes piece code compiles fine pmax pmax mach mach compiles undefined errors floor wmshellwidgetclass applicationshellwidgetclass libraries linked lxaw lxmu lxext makefile generated imake template give pointers missing compile easy math library adding problem start daniel mccoy space future mccoy nasa 
keyboard type keyboard nntp posting host newsreader version reply ellis organization computer science university durham durham lines keyboard type keyboard nigel nigel ellis artificial intelligence group ellis computer science university durham phne durham england 
motif applications organization digital equipment enterprise apeldoorn netherlands lines searching business information motif applications create wordprocessors spreadsheets drawing programs schedulers programs mail information references summaries results media advance anton ruiter digital equipment corporation workgroup products objectworks anton ruiter software product manager post office apeldoorn netherlands oude apeldoornseweg apeldoorn netherlands mail hlde ruiter location internet aruit philips uucp mcsun philapd aruit phone business phone private 
building widget linux reply wpwood bill woodward organization institute knowledge jinx lines attempting copy widget compiled linux release kernel running problems question compile trouble basically number functions prototypes compositep instance composite widget insert child procedure type typedef void xtwidgetproc widget places source code reference insert child procedure pass multiple arguments prototype suggests superclass composite class insert child args args chokes giving error message arguments passed function suggestions turn checking changing code accomodate call changing include compositep successfully built widget suggestions advance bill woodward wpwood software support billw austin graphics group terror flaps night 
problem server hangs summary annoying problem server hangs keywords xsun vernal equinox organization univ rochester dept electrical engineering lines recently compiled sources work fine seemingly random times server hang click mouse back turned warning freeze requiring server killed fine weeks minutes frame buffer ideas jeff jeff weisberg weisberg rochester real cherries valhalla weisberg watch pits 
motif athena organization boecom project boeing computer services seattle lines article bambi david hughes writes ports motif linux cost recovery person bought rights redistribute activity linux news groups pertaining motif high heard italian distributing motif binaries heard thing linux follow linux news group pretty closely missed love hold motif libs linux pannon 
xsession woes keywords xterm lines reply organization micro focus newsreader mxrn managed running running xfree xdisplay pretty working encountering weird error attempting start xterm xsession file redirecting stderr file exec home xerrors xsession reveals error message xterm error errno owner start xterm window manager command line works fine starting clients window manager clock xsession works encountered suggestions atdhvaannkcse herriott wise micro focus newbury takes brains smart takes neck giraffe 
title drag crashes server sigpipe organization ncar ucar lines article ramakris ramakrishnan writes environment mach arch sparc sunos patchlevel motif bring server startx xsun sequence actions crashes server sigpipe errno xinit reports connexion server lost problem graphics card fixed problem apply sungx part patch patch file apply patch jeff jeff boote scientific computing division good national center atmospheric research thinking makes boulder hamlet 
find appcontext keywords context motif application nntp posting host milli organization university minnesota minneapolis csci dept lines article masc sdsu todd greene writes call give application context fixing motif program xtappaddtimeout argument context call give applicationcontext widget calling xtwidgettoapplicationcontext hogg ianhogg 
mysterious beeping nntp posting host hpcvusj reply tommc organization hewlett packard corvallis lines article defaria andy defaria writes article crossposted windows author andy defaria posted reason code application beep intercept keystroke change meaning intent code date fields special keys insert today date bump bump hardcoded dates xmtext field reason code beeps special keys idea code interpret keys special meaning implied code beeping beep lose understanding beeping occuring code deleted xmtextfield page discussion resources xmnverifybell specifies bell sound action reversed verification callback setting doit false callback text field beeping turn behavior boolean resource false mcfarland 
fontname fonstruct organization nasa goddard space flight center lines distribution world nntp posting host narya gsfc nasa originator dealy gsfc nasa application retrieve font application xfontstruct xgetfontproperty work passed font details advance brian brian dealy knowing dealy gsfc nasa important knowing uunet dftsrv kong dealy dylan 
xlock organization silicon graphics mountain view lines reply dale llnl message nntp posting host oniboshi corp article dale llnl dale slone writes dale found oddity indigo mips chip dale xlock nolock running working remotely dale batch mode runtime programs timed dale clock code slower dale xlock running processes affect dale runtimes consistent xlock mode blank xlock consumes time generating nice animated display code running competing xlock remote login scott henry disclaimer missing networking services gigo means garbage gospel silicon graphics 
xterm ansi color mouse support organization cern european particle physics lines brown uucp vidiot writes article klony huji writes provide mouse escape sequences color xterm enhancements export contrib found uunet window contrib anonuucp noticed thing dated making years latest version talking xterm accept escape sequences colour decterm dxterm thought called colxterm testing shows oddities bugs program wrong unsure meant ansi mouse xterm 
comp windows intrinsics summary clipping character high order nntp posting host organization health information systems wallingford lines problem high order character clipped entered xterm window motif reprogrammed transmit character sequence line xdefaults ctrl shift string string merge line xrdb merge create xterm remapped problem arises application recieving input time sees sequence high order character filtered press correct showing events keypress event serial synthetic window root subw time root state keycode keysym xffbe screen xlookupstring characters keyrelease event serial synthetic window root subw time root state keycode keysym xffbe screen xlookupstring characters notice keysym transmitted correct xffbe program wrote spit back values keyboard input high order filtered make entire bits make final application greatly appreciated email responses kavitsky kavitsky 
xlib organization pittsburgh supercomputing center lines nntp posting host andrew reply fact widget code named glib find exact location warning code feels bogus things calling noport winopen extracting window worked fine spent weekend port turning hard check info pages pretty good documentation whan mixing 
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xalloccolor fails return nearest match reply klee organization synoptics communications santa clara lines nntp posting host bugsbunny synoptics article mines colorado agallagh mines colorado gallagher andrea writes posted friend looked faqs xalloccolor supposed order find exact match read color cell hardware limits allocate read colorcell match fails return colorcell match read colors allocated colormap hear printed book throw book specs true klee 
font family weight slant instance widget summary font family weight slant instance widget keywords font nntp posting host teal organization colorado supernet lines font family weight slant instance widget initfontcontext getnextfont freefontcontext size font bunch stuff font found family weight slant assume access source family weight slant orginaly creating fontlist bunch great carl carl 
transparent widgets reply klee organization synoptics communications santa clara lines nntp posting host bugsbunny synoptics article ntep cerna alexander cerna writes write application annotation notes existing documents annotation times people idea acetate transparencies stacked user oclock client oclock widget written shape extension widgets current widgets support shape subclass functionality klee 
xlib nntp posting host organization texaco lines article graham ottawa jade graham writes developing application include graphics window sort moving symbols things pure application implemented motif widgets xmdrawingarea drawing xlib advantage graphics library application program subroutines xmdrawingarea window opened xopenwindow widget defined glxmdraw motif glxdraw athena widget similar xmdrawingarea calls render window glxlink glxunlink glxgetconfig glxwinset pages winopen time winopen called opens connection server calls require display unlike calls initial information appears mixed easily true glxmdraw widget works pretty opengl improvement graphigs functionality easier powerful opinion mileage vary larry pyeatt views expressed internet pyeatt employer voice exception 
monthly question xcopyarea expose events organization inria sophia antipolis lines article buzz buzz moschetti writes posting question answered suppose idle realized mapped window xlib graphics button widget pressed item drawn window action call xcopyarea equiv directly register existence item memory structure expose event handler handles regular expose events window manager driven exposures care rendering image expose event handler proper time handler called xlib window guaranteed mapped problem expose event generated window visible mapped tickle window expose handler arguments enable render part window item tickle window produce behavior incrementally update contents windows trick window background call xcleararea display window true restore window background correct call xcleararea repaint window background generates exposure events visible parts window order application expose events handled incrementally displayed screen erased encapsulate operations addressed client messages preserve asynchronicity client server xgrabserver display client message start incremental background xcleararea restore background client message incremental xungrabserver display grabserver prevents events inserted server critical section vincent prunet sema group sophia antipolis inria sophia antipolis cedex france prunet inria 
sparc sprite screen organization bluestone consulting lines environment motif problem mouse moved screen horizontally sprite edge screen reappears edge appears server thinks running multi screen mode cursor wrap side screen running server multi screen mode reply mail bentz phone bluestone consulting church street uunet uunet blustone bentz mount laurel internet blustone bentz 
xcopyplane question reply nancie message organization kubota pacific computer lines article buzz buzz moschetti write article whaley whaley writes popular reason graphics show wait expose event drawing rectangle suppose idle realized mapped window xlib graphics button widget pressed item drawn window action call xcopyarea equiv directly register existence item memory structure expose event handler care rendering image time guaranteed window mapped problem expose event generated window visible mapped tickle window expose event handler invoked draw item original question previously stated xcopyarea depth pixmap screen make image data problem expose events xcopyplane working code fragment send demonstrating xcopyplane works helpful original question times beginning users heck experienced users write small test programs times forget draw response expose events unpreditable results application graphics show eliminate easy explanations graphics copying planes window output dipslaying single plane data pixel values pixmap color plane kenneth whaley kubota pacific computer email whaley walsh avenue santa clara 
running dxterm apollo organization internet lines nepean xpert apollo domain motif running xapollo server server install pskq xdomain errors appearing decstation dxterm toolkit warning convert string apchardel type virtualbinding segmentation fault ideas motif problem apollo versions motif incompatible xkeysymdb xkeysymdb apollo specific keysyms aplinedel apchardel apcopy apcut appaste apmove apgrow apcmd apshell apleftbar aprightbar apleftbox aprightbox apupbox apdownbox appop apread apedit apsave apexit aprepeat apkp parenleft apkp parenright victor victor france oo oo victor gattegno people expect 
graphics accelerators organization internet lines xpert obtain public information documentation sources xservers implemented graphics processors specially interested xservers developed texas instruments graphic processor send answer arana 
tvtwm xsetroot sparc keyboard organization sheffield hallam university lines reply haywood hallam xpert reply direct member list excuse read incorrect terminology environment sparc sunos path level process started setup backgroud root window tvtwm display display escherknot grey boring colour work setup xsetup xsetroot bitmap user xsession xsetroot tvtwm tvtwmrc xdefaults files user home directory xsetroot xsetup displays bitmap login window expected nice users session started background tvtwm window reverts grey manually type xsetroot xterm window session started background changed expected question retain background login window background user basis part users session startup open xterm sparc keys recognised keys keyboard sending correct characters real shown screen hash back slash tilde pipe double quote symbol pound hash cursor recognised annoying fault machine setup installed xterm drivers terminfo termcap uptodate typing xterm window shows terminal type xterm expected correct problems appreciated dave janet haywood sheffield hallam dave haywood haywood computer services internet haywood sheffield hallam university telex shpoly pond street sheffield england haywood sheffield hallam prmd admd sheffield hallam university computer services dave haywood 
tvtwm xsetroot sparc keyboard organization penn state population research institute lines nntp posting host darwin article haywood hallam writes environment sparc sunos path level process started good typing setup unix layout keyboard install sunkbd patch setup backgroud root window tvtwm display display escherknot grey boring colour work make ssetroot tvtwm tvtwm starts nukes existing root window ssetroot tvtwm starts spawn sleep ssetroot virtualdesktopbackgroundpixmap filename virtualdesktopbackground color grey open xterm sparc keys recognised keys keyboard sending correct characters install sunkbd patch contrib directory export keys keyboard send events properly pageup pagedown cluster recognized compose works composed characters xterm passed dave system administrator penn state population research institute dianetics woof woof woof page kibo 
imake needed reply paul organization british aerospace defence lines give pointers setting imake openwindows enviornment checked documentation find clues respons mail paul paul byrne british aerospace defence dynamics division email paul byrne filton phone bristol 
setting colormaps multi level keywords mixed model colormap organization stanford university lines dear netter mixed model experts writing mixed model application creates couple color maps windows trouble window manager reliably honor requests environments entry level indigo windows properly connected designated color maps iris entry level indigo color mapping unreliable behavior compile times common problem level windows fail displayed colormap application starts creating level windows cases fail displayed colormap spectacularly aggravating dearly explanation standard correct give window colormap window manager honor obey advice problems failure desired colormaps exhausted attempts reasonable imaginable code giving schematic wrong chris display declare data colormap popup cmap xcolor mycolor window xsetwindowattributes nwlist window wlist brevity showing code lines schematic popup cmap xcreatecolormap defaultrootwindow visual allocall store bunch colors xstorecolor popup cmap mycolor colormap popup cmap xcreatewindow parent borderwidth depth inputoutput visual cwcolormap cwborderpixel list windows topwin parent wlist nwlist counter entries wlist wlist static storage relied corrupted thought setting properties data copy reference pointer acceptable pass data property free data xsetwmcolormapwindows topwin wlist nwlist xmapraised display handle xevents typical eventloop 
xfree esix organization distribution keywords esix lines netlanders novice user question xgod computer configuration problem running esix wangtek style interface tape drive loaded basic includes inet utilities xfree binaries installed properly execute startx windows problems access tape drive machine locks instantly access tape tape drive works fine startx screen modes grey background pattern xterm forked login terminal execute shutdown reset system contacted esix problem claim window server works wangtek tape drive claim network system utilities inet experience xfree work concerned load inet packages work inet package causing problem tape drive exist system shed light problem appreciated colleague implied hardware conflict true direction resolve conflict kenneth cobler bell laboratories shuman blvd naperville 
cursors organization internet lines motif xpert motif style guide cursor shapes give user visual clue happening expected hourglass cursor shown application busy caution cursor shown area input expected defining cursors widgets level defining cursor widgets application subpart complicated matter cursors defined windows crosswire cursor drawingarea things complicated intuition things easier solid complete solution problem topics busy cursors helpful work applications windows cursor window attribute hans geurtsen phone nucletron research mail surface waardgelder veenendaal 
detect local remote display settings reply organization wavefront technologies santa barbara lines nntp posting host barracuda disclaimer spokesperson wavefront technologies find application running local remote display local display connected system client executing access display string string client executing host unix localhost local ultrix local valid display shared memory connection strings check detect give atkinson wavefront technologies company spokesperson real life spectator sport 
running home talking host serial line originator gerard netlabs nntp posting host vaccine netlabs organization netlabs lines time back asked software recommendations home sparc office replies majority people recommended pcxremote received yesterday installed sparc hitch unix install consists copying files local directory side ordered windows version slick windows installation problem xinitrc home directory line display hostname export display clients kicked connected xserver sparc console removing line xinitrc worked planned clients connected server hostname comments performance connected sparc netblazer terminal server baud line ultra bitmap stuff sucked basic editing compilation stuff usable xmail usable times time typed xclient window noticable delay brain damaged windows called scheduler remote work environment windows version product sales person performed head windows question responded gerard 
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cose agreed lines nntp posting host loki cose announcement specifies motif common cose complient apps motif feel cose complient apps motif toolkit motif complient toolkit openlook feel olit xview interviews toolkit motif considered cose complient standard toolkit supported tooltalk motif attempt start discussion order pull knowledge questions feel free mail followup tene days devil hellnet sleep morning devil 
xterm problem input focus shuffle keywords xterm tektronics input focus shuffle organization eastman kodak company rochester lines nntp posting host news software vnews situation running fortran executable creats xterm option menu contained xterm runs fortran subroutine creats tektronics mode xterm displaying graphics typing tektronics mode xterm future reference term active makes xterm read future keystrokes shift input focus xterm basing statement fact border term stays highlighted color term stays xterm describing input focus xterm brought clicking mouse button subsequent selections xterm menu item displays graphics highlihts border displays updated graphics move term term iconized conserve screen space stays icon desired behavior options whichever windows active inactive term inactivated revert icon activated window higher level xterm means xterm term highest level iconify expand xterm term commands guess fortran command starts xterm term information taking place dumb windows terminal connected running motif time words wisdom give send email jhcox 
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device driver bird nntp posting host titan organization institute systems science newsreader lines written device driver ascension bird xwindows suresh thennarangam email suresh internet research scholar isst bitnet institute systems science national university singapore facs heng keng terrace telex issnus singapore 
xlib nntp posting host titan organization institute systems science newsreader lines pyeatt larry pyeatt writes article graham ottawa jade graham writes xmdrawingarea drawing xlib advantage graphics library application program subroutines xmdrawingarea window opened xopenwindow make calls xmdrawingarea widget widget defined glxmdraw motif glxdraw athena widget similar xmdrawingarea calls render window glxlink glxunlink glxgetconfig glxwinset pages glxmdraw widget works pretty opengl improvement vouch widget works pretty xlib calls draw widget read accompanying documentation completely posting comp information find answers manuals transition guide explains mixed model programming paradigm mixing graphigs functionality easier powerful opinion mileage vary designed extension seamless buggy start opinions suresh thennarangam email suresh internet research scholar isst bitnet institute systems science national university singapore facs heng keng terrace telex issnus singapore 
animation xputimage organization csiro division radiophysics australia telescope national facility lines article pmartz paul martz writes article derek richardson writes group bear years wrote sunview application fast animation raster files sunview rapidly obselete finally decided rewrite scratch xview quick test found xputimage considerably slower factor average sunview command moves image data memory pixrects canvas sparc protocol communication slowing things xputimage inefficient xputimage source maintained client destination maintained server incur overhead transporting client server communications mechanism maintain source images pixmaps maintained server copying window cheaper make sending unnecessary xsyncs running xsynchonize mode speed client host server shared memory extension sample server xdpyinfo server extension sample server running sunos word warning make kernel configured support shared memory word warning openwindows slower server written imaging tool xview yields frames images running sparc half grunt proved sufficient animations richard gooch 
high order character xterm organization internet lines kavitsky xpert high order filtered make entire bits make final application greatly appreciated resources xterm eightbitinput true xterm eightbitoutput true shell stty istrip good luck victor victor gattegno email victor france hewlett packard france hpdesk avenue canada phone ulis cedex telnet 
xquerybestcursor semi broken organization national center atmospheric research lines asked recently xquerybestcursor create size imply server create cursors size investigation showed servers happily return size size root window return fixed limit reasonable size interesting thing server binary acts differently hardware claim cursors root window size stop behavior phase terminals told occurs liberal sizes larger root winodw gladly returned xquerybestcursor semi broken behavior correct cursor richard neitzel thor ucar torren sitt skjegg national center atmospheric research lokkar borni sole vegg boulder sitt shinn jagar borni 
decnet organization internet lines xpert btaylor work decnet ultrix machine running decnet number terminals hanging ultrix host running decnet presently login procedure terminals basically windows client able decnet protocol tower window client protocol xdmcp operates port provide login window window client decnet protocol source bare bones code completely inclination typical client making specific socket calls case answer decnet feedback appreciated source decnet shipped patrick mahan window washer mahan waking person unnecessarily considered lazarus long capital crime offense notebooks lazarus long 
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problem openwin organization internet lines xpert problem displaying images greater bytes decwindows program running displaying sparc running openwindows program works fine openwindows code segment fails program simply crashes xlib error xputimage call ximage ximage ximage xcreateimage mydisplay defaultvisual mydisplay myscreen ddepth zpixmap image xwid ywid xputimage mydisplay mywindow mygc ximage xpos ypos xwid ywid paul jaques systems engineer camborne school mines rosemanowes herniss penryn cornwall mail pjaques stithians 
wanted info dedicated server kernel series organization techbooks public access lines distribution nntp posting host techbook techbook summary find send email keywords kernel server information existence location dedicated server kernel send email neglected good memory sunos advance bell emmigrate escape mbell tyrants stay mbell uoregon make leave 
memory xserver actual size reply pfuetz matthias pfuetzner organization zentrum fuer graphische datenverarbeitung darmstadt lines article mouse mcgill mouse writes article pfuetz matthias pfuetzner writes possibility determine protocol calls size free memory xserver answer date grab server buffering user actions badalloc error indication insufficient server memory mouse phigs libphigs supplied trouble terminals memory performing visual visualid copyfromparent whitepixel grafik display defaultscreen grafik display xswa backing store notuseful xswa event mask exposuremask structurenotifymask xswa background pixel graphic window xcreatewindow graphic display rootwindow graphic display defaultscreen graphic display displaywidth graphic display defaultscreen graphic display displayheight graphic display defaultscreen graphic display unsigned inputoutput visual cweventmask cwbackingstore cwbackpixel xswa xmapwindow graphic display graphic window sync wait exposure event xsync graphic display false xwindowevent graphic display graphic window exposuremask exposureevent conn display graphic display conn drawable graphic window xinfo display graphic display xinfo flags monitor false monitor running xinfo flags force client false popen xphigs null pxphigs info flags pxphigs info flags client pxphigs info display xinfo popen pconnid conn phigs type drawable core dumps popen call badalloc simply core dump info maximal memory xserver sincerly matthias matthias pfuetzner darmstadt zgdv wilhelminenstrasse lichtenbergstrasse pfuetzner pfuetzner uucp keith packard changed release number 
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imake problems keywords imake nntp posting host einstein andi organization association nextstep developers international lines build imake running problems imakefile contructs makefile start lines pass makefile comments preprocessor makefile preprocessors treat appearing start line preprocessor treat hash symbol start directive strips comment treats hash symbol start directive fails determines directive temporarily hacked imake handle situation imakefiles parameter macro macro parameter warnings situations continues work familiar problems solutions information solutions solved version imake reviewed behave similarly easy access news response white billy appreciated 
motif windows organization laser scan cambridge lines article smikes steven mikes writes company congruent corporation york city ported xlib motif windows full client development applications environment send postal email address congruent corporation competitors snail washing hands conflict powerful powerless means side powerful neutral quote freire poster oxfam 
program argument geometry organization oracle europe lines newsreader version question processing program arguments geometry option standard option wondering wether parse manually predefined function info robret 
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archive change announcement organization computing research lines distribution world nntp posting host pylos nmsu signature dcbce multi lingual archives computing research labs mexico state university moving address archives control consortium lexical research address nmsu current address change nmsu note difference sites nmsu nmsu nmsu site site items related consortium lexical research arabic chinese french italian indian japanese korean tibetan vietnamese archives moved announce locations relevant directories archives moved patient discover directories missing nmsu nmsu days move familiar multi lingual archives slowly collecting software fonts text languages past years software unix oriented encourage people continue contribute items archives improve quality quantity multi lingual tools item contribute nmsu incoming send note lexical telling contribution questions comments send lexical mleisher mark leisher computing research elegance optional mexico state university attributed richard keefe cruces 
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forcing window manager accept specific coordinates window organization technical university berlin germany lines nntp posting host athene berlin mime version content type text plain charset content transfer encoding reply ethan columbia message xcreatewindow include display display window window xsizehints xsizehints xallocsizehints xsizehints flags usposition ussize pposition psize xsizehints xsizehints xsizehints width xsizehints height xsetwmnormalhints display window xsizehints xfree xsizehints hints window manager position size window users window manager accept values xsizehints flags pposition psize tells window manager values prefered values program user window manager place window prefer position size berlin tobias bading berlin 
utomated testing mark datasys swri mark collier organization southwest research institute lines terms automated testing motif applications thinking system program record events output verification test procedures rerun time regression testing interested product unix projects separate project openvms mark collier southwest research institute senior research analyst automation data systems division voice data systems department software engineering section 
headed cgfour bwtwo organization portal system distribution world lines article matthew cornell matthew kleinmann writes mono framebuffer bwtwo built motherboard system cgfour cgfour bwtwo daughterboard system color monitor color front screen cgfour mono back screen bwtwo tube recentley picked mono monitor make headed system cgfour bwtwo care loose back screen color tube bwtwo xsun page sucessfuly consolation headed systems color mono monitors rated configuration plug play situation mono monitor function simply able pull motherboard jumper located jumper array jumpers simm selects ethernet connection happily pull motherboard jumpers left rear north west quadrant motherboard left simm sockets thad floryan thad thad portal thad 
title xterm organization department dortmund university germany lines distribution world nntp posting host informatik dortmund keywords xterm article beck dresden andre beck writes article thomas berlin thomas wolfram writes work stations current logname title xterm open machine closed words host logname title opened xterm host xterm closed window managers olwm derivates support escape sequences purpose login tcsh modify term xterm echo logname host host endif feature window manager xterm sequences ansi compatible compatible sequences device control sequence introduced sequence exists work dxterm ansi compatible work xterms works xterms problem back original question start xterms selecting proper menu entry desktop menu sample command xterm title rlogin title options give text window icon tcsh wonderful extension alias precmd echo host tcshrc special alias tvtwm executed time printing prompt current host current directory path title xterms unido ingolf markhof university dortmund informatik dortmund germany phone email markhof informatik dortmund 
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title xterm reply mccoy nasa organization lines article news informatik dortmund markhof informatik dortmund ingolf markhof writes article beck dresden andre beck writes article thomas berlin thomas wolfram writes work stations current logname title xterm open machine closed words host logname title opened xterm host xterm closed window managers olwm derivates support escape sequences purpose login tcsh modify term xterm echo logname host host endif feature window manager xterm sequences ansi compatible compatible sequences device control sequence introduced sequence exists work dxterm ansi compatible work xterms works xterms problem back original question start xterms selecting proper menu entry desktop menu sample command xterm title rlogin title options give text window icon tcsh wonderful extension alias precmd echo host tcshrc special alias tvtwm executed time printing prompt current host current directory path title xterms answer variables xterm host logname host daniel mccoy space future mccoy nasa 
function text string translation organization boeing computer services seattle lines press function text string xmtext widget xmtext translations augment insert string resource file translation happen xmtext translations insert string file text string pressed keys work makes sense default translation mode replace syntax problem deeper bill massena boeing 
animation xputimage nntp posting host harris reply jmartin imagesrus organization microsystems lines group bear years wrote sunview application fast animation raster files sunview rapidly obselete finally decided rewrite scratch xview quick test found xputimage considerably slower factor average sunview command moves image data memory pixrects canvas sparc protocol communication slowing things xputimage inefficient question fastest dump plane image data window advantage fact client running machine server stuck xputimage case give appreciated derek article derek richardson writes derek richardson institute astronomy cambridge mail animation frequently copying client resident ximages server resident pixmap xputimage original ximages deleted animation loop performed xcopyarea pixmaps windows drawable hope helpfull john 
calling library creates widgets multiple times nntp posting host bruno colorado organization university colorado boulder lines days posted question call function multiple times pointed xtappinitialize called helped problems test program closely models real program actual program writing library callable program means time function called initialize things stuff static variables demo main represents main program calling library doit represents interface library function include include include include include void xtappcontext widget widget topone real prog member vars xtappcontext theapp class junk display xtopendisplay theapp null null null null junk null widget xtvacreatemanagedwidget blaa xmpushbuttonwidgetclass topone xmnheight xmnwidth null xtrealizewidget topone real prog returns exit button clicked xevent event xtappnextevent theapp event xtdispatchevent event xtdestroywidget xtclosedisplay setitup called void setitup xtappcontext widget junk xtappinitialize test null junk null null null doit library function callable void doit static xtappcontext time called static widget static setup setup setitup setup main program links library main doit printf sleeping widget screen point sleep problem widget created screen unusuable sleep main prog xtdestroywidget call missing respond email david wood davewood colorado university colorado boulder 
repost accelerators translations apparently motif talk originator root keywords accelerator case lines reply sdennis organization applicon arbor return path lines posted recieve reply report subject ensure accelerators work independent case ctrl ctrl accelerators menu entry section accelerators information translation tables xmnaccelerator resource likewise modifier prohibit modifiers present translation shiftq quit effect ctrl held time shift implies setting xmnaccelerator ctrlo doesn work user presses control shift supply accelerator menu entry mind answering question motif xtinstallaccelerators motif decstation motif steve dennis internet sdennis arbor applicon software engineer applicon arbor michigan hail victors 
unix unix organization internet lines xpert found files public system access kermit transmit modem host computer based file system access internet modem access university mainframe file server pull files disk pull disk indigo networked uncompress files garbage error process directories invalid wondering transfer unix files compressed binary ascii multiple platforms guess copy disk screwing things appreciated 
animation xputimage organization uscacsc angeles lines distribution world reply robert acsc robert grant nntp posting host cpuserver acsc good adjust colourmaps animation prevent current colours flickering robert robert 
fontname fonstruct organization university sussex lines article dealy gsfc nasa brian dealy writes application retrieve font application xfontstruct xgetfontproperty work passed font details advance brian brian dealy knowing dealy gsfc nasa important knowing uunet dftsrv kong dealy dylan char null unsigned long xgetfontproperty font font xgetatomname display connection font xfontstruct pointer alan richardson school maths physical sciences wise univ sussex brighton england judas priest mppa sussex syma mppa sussex 
title xterm keywords xterm nntp posting host ericsson reply etxmesa ericsson michael salmon organization ericsson telecom lines article markhof informatik dortmund ingolf markhof writes alias precmd echo host tcshrc special alias tvtwm presume meant tcsh michael salmon include include include ericsson telecom stockholm 
find appcontext organization surf city software tbfw project reply masc sdsu message lines masc sdsu todd greene call give application context fixing motif program xtappaddtimeout argument context call give xtvaappinitialize robert mcmillin surf city software surfcty dude include 
xlib organization surf city software tbfw project reply graham ottawa jade message lines graham ottawa jade graham developing application include graphics window sort moving symbols things pure application implemented motif widgets xmdrawingarea drawing xlib advantage graphics library application program subroutines xmdrawingarea window opened xopenwindow distribution indigo line possibly include source code widget fits motif based support robert mcmillin surf city software surfcty dude include 
version xrecplay reply mccoy nasa organization lines xrecplay exist contact developers eric swildens longer forwarding email address archie appreciated daniel mccoy space future mccoy nasa 
expose configure event handling organization umiacs university maryland college park lines questions expose configure events handled appl window draw give user capability scaling zooming allowing window resized made translation table expose configure events expose event calls redraw method configure event calls rescale method rescale method invokes fake expose event calls redraw expose struct draw data quest appl compiled linked running multiple redraws window uncovered size changed assume cascading events suggestions handle trap events quest appl compiled linked expose events whatsoever events translation tables differently advance steve steve kelley umcp umiacs captain protest internet skelley merry worf 
filemanager organization atlas telecom disclaimer views expressed necessarily represent employer lines file manager runs unix brians brian sheets truck truck support engineer atlas telecom raiders lost brians 
finding state state keys capslock numlock organization internet lines xpert looked reilly books unable find easy means finding state state keys capslock numlock track events inside window boolean capslock pressed window looked xgrabkey decided wanted find convenience function information question means determining state capslock numlock pointed question easy means making keyboard keyboard capslock active user presses shift lowercase input greatly appreciated respond email repost summary findings ralph 
store post events organization swiss federal institute technology zurich lines store reply mouse keyboard events produce regression tests automatic demo store mouse keyboard events produced user filter mouse keyboard events server queue store file sequence events stored file server queue user working exists tool capable save reply mouse keyboard events catch events store case server queue terminal catch events coming server catch events client send stored sequence events simulate user central dispatcher clients machine manages incoming events server reach advance 
nimation xputimage nntp posting host ioas reply organization institute astronomy cambridge lines group bear years wrote sunview application fast animation raster files sunview rapidly obselete finally decided rewrite scratch xview quick test found xputimage considerably slower factor average sunview command moves image data memory pixrects canvas sparc protocol communication slowing things xputimage inefficient question fastest dump plane image data window advantage fact client running machine server stuck xputimage case give appreciated derek derek richardson institute astronomy cambridge mail 
drawing lines inverse reply singg message organization open software foundation lines article singg kurt george gjerde writes article dyoung david young writes xsetfunction mydisplay gxxor xsetforeground mydisplay drawindex draw xdrawline mydisplay xtwindow drawingarea xflush mydisplay return things normal xsetfunction mydisplay gxcopy happen lines draw inverse drawing white lines lines white background shows lines black area shows strange gxxor function rubber banding erases redraws correctly disturbing underlying image suggestions wrong david change gxxor gxequiv programs terminals terminals change back gxxor small section reilly xlib books describes thing plane mask foreground background pixel values douglas rand motif snail cambridge center cambridge disclaimer agrees vote amateur radio 
compiling organization neosoft communications services lines article mccoy nasa writes article wilson swee writes piece code compiles fine pmax pmax mach mach compiles undefined errors floor wmshellwidgetclass applicationshellwidgetclass libraries linked lxaw lxmu lxext makefile generated imake template give pointers missing compile easy math library adding problem start linking libxmu lxmu solved problem 
uthorization organization neosoft communications services lines letter forgive mistakes plagued problems lack info authorization open windows long generally strait share software news problem friend logs ssii trys program runs fine machine friend client authorized connect server close started noauth option surely required general xhost work root work greatly appreciated send replies neuralog news group 
program argument geometry organization internet lines xpert rgasch oracle question processing program arguments geometry option standard option wondering wether parse manually predefined function intrinsics parsed working xlib level parse code static xrmoptiondescrec options geometry geometry xrmoptionseparg xpointer null define number sizeof sizeof xrmparsecommand options number options myapplication argc argv xrmgetresource retrieve parse xparsegeometry quicker parse argv prefer resource management routines patrick mahan window washer mahan waking person unnecessarily considered lazarus long capital crime offense notebooks lazarus long 
title drag crashes server sigpipe organization computer science department blacksburg lines article boote ucar jeff boote writes article ramakris ramakrishnan writes environment mach arch sparc sunos patchlevel motif bring server startx xsun sequence actions crashes server sigpipe errno xinit reports connexion server lost problem graphics card fixed problem apply sungx part patch patch file didn apply patch jeff jeff boote scientific computing division good national center atmospheric research thinking makes boulder hamlet jeff lifesaver imported emulator patch problem disappeared schoene mouse ramakrishnan dept mcbryde hall vatech 
animation xputimage nntp posting host bambam reply pmartz paul martz organization evans sutherland computer corp salt lake city lines article derek richardson writes group bear years wrote sunview application fast animation raster files sunview rapidly obselete finally decided rewrite scratch xview quick test found xputimage considerably slower factor average sunview command moves image data memory pixrects canvas sparc protocol communication slowing things xputimage inefficient xputimage source maintained client destination maintained server incur overhead transporting client server communications mechanism maintain source images pixmaps maintained server copying window cheaper make sending unnecessary xsyncs running xsynchonize mode paul pmartz evans sutherland 
xsun running sparcclassic organization lehrstuhl fuer wirtschaftsinformatik universitaet passau lines distribution world nntp posting host jupiter winf passau installed patches solaris sparcstation sparcclassic pool runs fine classics giving command startx xsun prints messages warning mmap dummy space mapping device address exits problem advance christian rank lehrstuhl fuer wirtschaftsinformatik universitaet passau innstr passau 
xlib organization internet lines xpert pyeatt writes widget defined glxmdraw motif glxdraw athena widget similar xmdrawingarea calls render window glxlink glxunlink glxgetconfig glxwinset pages hold widgets gerard driscoll gerard odriscoll pont pixel systems 
support pressure sensitive tablet reply baldwa organization adobe systems mountain view distribution comp lines vendors supporting pressure sensitive tablet pointers sanjay baldwa decwrl adobe baldwa 
automated testing reply bill organization molecular simulations newsreader version lines mark collier mark datasys swri wrote terms automated testing motif applications thinking system program record events output verification test procedures rerun time regression testing interested product unix projects separate project openvms question answered sharing windows answers xtrap record playback extenstion find export contrib xtrapv program require extension servers work vendor extensions modify xtrap conferencing software easy modify record playback appreciated bill poitras molecular simulations bill sunnyvale mail mail ftpmail offers email subject helpquit 
shading program organization internet lines xpert howardy shading program based xlib public domain allocate correct colormaps program started playing program called povray persistance vision raytracer displays output windows fairly good allocating colormap psuedo color plane display source site canda person retrieved david buck dbuck carleton patrick mahan window washer mahan waking person unnecessarily considered lazarus long capital crime offense notebooks lazarus long 
forcing window manager accept specific coordinates window organization parcplace boulder lines article ethan columbia ethan solomita writes figure make window manager place window create window command tells application reason override redirect embellishments window manager accept choice location user assuming application reason imho anti social start application geometry option ignore force window manager managing window hint guarantee lastrange toml parcplace 
forcing window manager accept specific coordinates window reply toml parcplace organization parcplace boulder lines article bading berlin tobias doping bading writes xcreatewindow include display display window window xsizehints xsizehints xallocsizehints xsizehints flags usposition ussize pposition psize xsizehints xsizehints xsizehints width xsizehints height xsetwmnormalhints display window xsizehints xfree xsizehints hints window manager position size window users window manager accept values xsizehints flags pposition psize tells window manager values prefered values program user window manager place window prefer position size makes brain hurt usposition ussize user position size blow gasket harm window managers things positioning window usposition pposition lastrange toml parcplace 
build organization western geophysical exploration products lines nntp posting host waii reply waii message waii doug acker doug nntp posting host waii problem build bundled linker working properly shared libraries built problem headaches xset client complains libxmu doesnt bunch routines missing build libxmu link libxt perplexed specific error load program xset symbol xtvasetvalues libxmu undefined symbol xtname libxmu undefined symbol xtwindowofobject libxmu undefined symbol xtgetconstraintresourcelist libxmu undefined symbol xtdisplaytoapplicationcontext libxmu undefined symbol xtappsettypeconverter libxmu undefined symbol xtscreendatabase libxmu undefined symbol xtresolvepathname libxmu undefined symbol xtcvtstringtofont libxmu undefined symbol xtcallconverter libxmu undefined symbol xtdisplaystringconversionwarning libxmu undefined load library libxmu error exec format error douglas acker western geophysical exploration products division western atlas international litton dresser company internet acker waii voice 
compiling organization department scientific computing uppsala university lines article wilson swee writes floor link math library wmshellwidgetclass applicationshellwidgetclass shared libraries linking assert nodefinitions trick 
build organization western geophysical exploration products lines nntp posting host waii reply waii message waii doug acker doug nntp posting host waii waii doug acker doug nntp posting host waii doug problem build doug bundled linker doug working properly shared libraries doug built problem headaches doug xset client complains libxmu doesnt bunch doug routines missing doug build libxmu link libxt perplexed doug doug specific error doug load program xset doug symbol xtvasetvalues libxmu undefined doug symbol xtname libxmu undefined doug symbol xtwindowofobject libxmu undefined doug symbol xtgetconstraintresourcelist libxmu undefined doug symbol xtdisplaytoapplicationcontext libxmu undefined doug symbol xtappsettypeconverter libxmu undefined doug symbol xtscreendatabase libxmu undefined doug symbol xtresolvepathname libxmu undefined doug symbol xtcvtstringtofont libxmu undefined doug symbol xtcallconverter libxmu undefined doug symbol xtdisplaystringconversionwarning libxmu undefined doug load library libxmu doug error exec format error search ibmlink revealed similar howervre closed douglas acker western geophysical exploration products division western atlas international litton dresser company internet acker waii voice 
positioning window openlook keywords windows openlook organization villanova university lines originator sharma vill netters require window ordinates left corner screen root window windows guru write program creates window image displays require image left corner grab recording video minivas controller expects window spot time advance sincerely sanjeev sharma office mail deptt computing science sharma vill villanova university 
tape selections article organization lines nntp posting host idea remembering unconsiously thought dialog boxes windowing systems intuitivly things checked unchecked filled idea tape putting piece tape light switch idea daniel drucker xyzzy forever forever coda hofstra 
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detecting read colorcells reply ngorelic usgs organization colorado school mines lines poseted friend great response question lets colorcell read read cells colormap start running allocatable cells arbitrary nearest color matching scheme cells closest requested color determine cell read assume request xalloccolor exact color specifications flagged application freed allocated read write application figured write error handler ahead request cells colors colormap full error cell shareable life easier detect read shareable stuff directly ideas noel ngorelic usgs 
colormaps window managers organization personal usenet site tujunga lines distribution world nntp posting host isolar tujunga keywords tvtwm installwindowcolormaps article mouse mcrcim mcgill mouse writes article david simon writes explain piece code tvtwm dump core interested knowing behavior caused reasoning client dump core window managers crash true installwindowcolormaps crash unable crash tvtwm remarkable feat desirable boot reported zillion times servers hand crash openwindows xnews server xbiff xbiff shapewindow blammo greg earle phone internet earle tujunga uucp isolar earle nasa elroy isolar earle 
tvtwm xsetroot sparcstation keyboard organization personal usenet site tujunga lines distribution world nntp posting host isolar tujunga article barr david barr writes article haywood hallam writes environment sparc sunos patch level process started good typing setup unix layout keyboard install sunkbd patch open xterm sparc keys recognised keys keyboard sending correct characters install sunkbd patch contrib directory export keys keyboard send events properly pageup pagedown cluster recognized compose works composed characters xterm passed sunkbd patch xmodmap file xinitrc xmodmap home xmodmap type unix keyboard brute force type unix keyboard remappings remaps arrow keys properly default arrow keys keypad shift shift left shift shift work arrow keys assigned keysym keycode keycode left keycode keycode back space emit delete keysym keycode delete random mappings default sysrq print screen keycode sunsys print break pause keycode break pause graph keycode mode switch pageup keycode prior pagedown keycode insert keycode insert home keys open functions stop sunstop keysym cancel keycode sunstop sunagain redo keycode sunagain props keycode sunprops undo sunundo undo keycode sunundo front keycode sunfront copy keycode suncopy open keycode sunopen paste keycode sunpaste find sunfind find keycode sunfind keycode suncut greg earle phone internet earle tujunga uucp isolar earle nasa elroy isolar earle 
question overlaying graphics article flop linnj distribution world organization computer science department oregon state university lines nntp posting host grace orst suggest answer question total novice suggestions create simple drawing tool rectangles canvas intersecting delete rectangles create gxxor logical function simply redraw rectangle newly created graphics context deleting apparent purposes problem approach points intersection pixel locations belonging rectangle white avoided avoid problem redraw rectangle generate expose event affected area degrades performance badly gopal 
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ncsa mosaic signature organization center supercomputing applications lines version ncsa mosaic window system networked information systems world wide browser released file ncsa uiuc mosaic xmosaic source xmosaic xmosaic binaries xmosaic xmosaic binaries xmosaic xmosaic binaries xmosaic xmosaic binaries xmosaic xmosaic binaries xmosaic alpha xmosaic diffs xmosaic diffs ncsa mosaic consistent easy hypermedia based interface wide variety networked information sources including gopher wais world wide nntp usenet news techinfo local filesystems archie finger hyper hytelnet texinfo telnet release ncsa mosaic compile platforms irix sunos stock motif ultrix alpha documentation online include added resource gethostbynameisevil coredump gethostbyname called find names command line flag ghbnie explicitly dialog boxes document view window closed window managers dull visited anchor color added list file extensions handled files added clear button open convenient paste entries resource autoplacewindows false document view windows automatically positioned program window manager command line flags iconic desired effect resource initialwindowiconic reading code bulletproof obscure infinite loop triggered extra space fixed eliminated nonintuitive error message image read inlined ncsa bitmap indication authors readers images case obscure parsing constructs text fixed fixed mysterious stupid coredump hits suns fixed stupid coredump leeds fixed buglet handling rlogin support solaris sysvr courtesy dana bellcore support courtesy johns support courtesy scott miscellaneous portability fixes courtesy bingle purdue miscellaneous fixes cleanups comments questions reports mosaic uiuc advance feedback provide cheers marc marc andreessen software development group national center supercomputing applications marca uiuc 
wanted info dedicated server kernel series reply mbell techbook message lines organization tufts university medford distribution information existence location dedicated server kernel send email neglected good memory sunos advance free program called xkernel seth robertson seth columbia takes boots limited kernel converted machines semester speedup enormously appreciable find faster inch black white xterminal playing bigger screen boot matter fact department bought auction convert xkernel anonymous columbia xkernel xkernel shar xkernel symlink latest version xkernel note compiled version compiling work easy connected xkernel satisfied installer user able answer questions feel free email greg owen gowen tufts gowen tufts systems programmer tufts university computer science dept transfers disclaimed host boss address policy disconnect 
animation organization internet lines xpert send message animation query posted comp windows appended received remember typed attempt derek derek richardson institute astronomy cambridge mail begin included message postmaster received cast smail received prod prod smtp postmaster mailer america online mailer subject returned mail unknown member date message status mail delivered addressed unknown user text group bear years wrote sunview application fast animation raster files sunview rapidly obselete finally decided rewrite scratch xview quick test found xputimage considerably slower factor average sunview command moves image data memory pixrects canvas sparc protocol communication slowing things xputimage inefficient question fastest dump plane image data window advantage fact client running machine server stuck xputimage case give appreciated derek derek richardson institute astronomy cambridge mail headers uupsi expo xpert mailer remote aolsys received uupsi aolsys received expo psinet smtp received expo received enterpoop expo received enterpoop received usenet enterpoop netnewsfor xpert xpert contact usenet questions xpert date derek richardson message organization institute astronomy cambridge reply subject animation xputimage included message 
animation xputimage nntp posting host ioas reply organization institute astronomy cambridge lines article semi harris jmartin imagesrus john martin writes animation frequently copying client resident ximages server resident pixmap xputimage original ximages deleted animation loop performed xcopyarea pixmaps windows drawable hope helpfull john implemented achieve display rates frames sunview choppy times loading data making ximage xput pixmap cumbersome animation slower load sunview load data rgooch csiro richard gooch writes speed client host server shared memory extension sample server xdpyinfo server extension sample server running sunos word warning make kernel configured support shared memory word warning openwindows slower server written imaging tool xview yields frames images running sparc half grunt proved sufficient animations richard gooch shared memory putimage mentioned nkissebe beckman uiuc nick kisseberth interesting point documentation method give results server resident pixmaps interested xview code mentioned decent post derek richardson institute astronomy cambridge mail 
determines default font organization lund institute technology sweden lines running openwindows normal programs font show font change fontpath restart windows default font change figure chooses possibly xdefaults reply direct email summarize kurt swanson dept computer science lunds universitet kurt swanson 
forcing window manager accept specific coordinates window organization eindhoven university technology netherlands lines distribution world nntp posting host wsinfo bading berlin tobias doping bading writes xcreatewindow xsizehints flags usposition ussize pposition psize xsetwmnormalhints display window xsizehints hints window manager position size window users window manager accept values xsizehints flags pposition psize tells window manager values prefered values program user window manager place window prefer position size olwm tvtwm place title position window position problem program able save current configuration restore solution xcreatewindow xsetwmproperties xmapwindow xflush xmovewindow works olwm elegant leaves wondering overlooking obvious richard 
overriding default behaviour organization oracle europe lines newsreader version start application window outline display click mouse button place window screen geometry option window appears properties geometry argument question override intermediary step user window position mouseclick explicitly setting window size position alter normal program behaviour hints robert working plain robert gasch erste stadt oracle engineering freihe tritt staatlichen monopolanspruch meern gewalt frage stellt rgasch oracle einstuerzende neubauten 
animation xputimage organization dept computer science dresden germany lines distribution world reply andre beck dresden nntp posting host irzr dresden article derek richardson writes years wrote sunview application fast animation raster files sunview rapidly obselete finally decided rewrite scratch xview quick test found xputimage considerably slower factor average sunview command moves image data memory pixrects canvas sparc protocol communication slowing things xputimage inefficient question protocol move image process memory server memory conversions xputimage fast fastest dump plane image data window advantage fact client running machine server stuck utilizing extension xputimage derivate shared memory fine fast xputimage case give xputimage frames pixmaps moving server memory replay fastest xcopyarea aware major server memory bummer brain inside andre beck abpsoft mehl andre beck dresden 
format display organization university wisconsin superior lines nntp posting host newsreader version display files ascii text files autocad large file state wisconsin views smaller chunks find complete file layout files information appreciated patrick mcgillan computer systems specialist university wisconsin superior wisconsin pmcgilla 
window organization daimi computer science department aarhus university denmark lines window package exists runs windows happy hear advance eigil krogh sorensen 
vanishing font problem organization department mathematics queen university kingston lines colleague bizarre font problem mips workstation logs single xterm window window manager running configuration windows applications xdvi work fine opens xterm application suddenly xdvi start window giving error unable load font difference xterm windows initial references xsession file prettier colours slight investigation shows opening default xterm behaviour significant applications longer load fonts invoked command line window start xterm font option problems default xterm loading font server lose fonts note xlsfonts window shows fonts problem font directories hash tables rewriting xterm defaults file font hope ideas info recent mips workstation current operating system running fault problems occur 
postscript terminal lines newsreader problem postscript working local sparcstaton postscript works good connect terminal error messages postscript connect news display postscript work terminal make work henrik henrik hjort hjort 
image processing packages nntp posting host solomon technet newsreader version lines prateek mishra mishra sunysb wrote package implements standard image processing functions reading writing standard formats clipping zoom implemented public domain private packages interest application area mind medical imaging package meant general context acceptable reply summarize general interest prateek mishra mishra sunysb tabs image processing comprehensive compilation image processing included imagemagick great check 
strange problem text organization intel corporation lines distribution world nntp posting host tasmania intel originator jdhuse testing port coherent unix clone intel architecture machines strange problem text clients simple terminal emulator program problem manifests shell echoes typed characters back server display time characters closely spaced result character echoed destroys rightmost edge character character destroys rightmost edge character invisible boundary character obscures portion previous character problem characters shell returns complete line text output series individual characters ideas problem find appreciated dhuse dhuse internet jdhuse intel intel corp phone chandler blvd opinions expressed chandler employer 
cxterm mips organization internet lines xpert built cxterm mips platform send email read group bunch questions edward greshko control data taiwan voice nanking east road section taipei taiwan 
repost accelerators translations keywords accelerator case organization alsys group diego lines sdennis writes posted receive reply report subject problem motif xgrabkey implement menu accelerators grabs specific modifiers apply specification xgrabkey anymodifier combined modifiers desired case ctrl anyq section accelerators information translation tables xmnaccelerator resource likewise modifier prohibit modifiers present translation shiftq quit effect ctrl held time shift true accelerators mnemonics implemented event handlers grabs true menu accelerators motif implementor suggest lobbying xlib semantics changed support feature change documentation menu accelerators properly user expectations menu accelerators thing translations supply accelerator menu entry menu accelerator definition xmnaccelerator resource xmlabel manual page mind answering question motif xtinstallaccelerators reason ensure accelerators work independent case ctrl ctrl accelerators menu entry workaround motif users addition normal menu accelerator install xmpushbutton gadget xtnaccelerators resource shell toplevel application install shell accelerators descendants xtinstallallaccelerators shell shell applicationshell mainwindow menubar filecascade filepulldown openpushbutton exitpushbutton openpushbutton accelerator ctrlo openpushbutton acceleratortext ctrl exitpushbutton accelerator ctrlq exitpushbutton acceleratortext ctrl applicationshell accelerators override ctrlo performaction openpushbutton armandactivate ctrlq performaction exitpushbutton armandactivate write application action performaction implement xtnametowidget argument xtcallactionproc rest arguments tested similar shorten development time teleuse tuninstallaccelerators resource install accelerators shell directly invoked open quit actions pushbuttons general approach work trevor bourget trevor 
animation xputimage organization csiro division radiophysics australia telescope national facility lines article derek richardson writes implemented achieve display rates frames sunview choppy times loading data making ximage xput pixmap cumbersome animation slower load sunview load data rgooch csiro richard gooch writes speed client host server shared memory extension sample server xdpyinfo server extension sample server running sunos word warning make kernel configured support shared memory word warning openwindows slower server written imaging tool xview yields frames images running sparc half grunt proved sufficient animations richard gooch shared memory putimage mentioned nkissebe beckman uiuc nick kisseberth interesting point documentation method give results server resident pixmaps interested xview code mentioned decent post tapes documentation written keith packard shared memory extension extensions found invaluble work shared memory segments making ximage extension query determine server supports test server running host shared memory enabled kernel written layers convience routines make transparent xview code doubt considered interesting interesting stuff object library people interested code email richard gooch rgooch csiro 
bindings reply egan phony utah utah organization call business systems lines binding home keys keyboard running dist running exceed windows xterminal home keys send application defined xdefaults define keys varnet translations override home string string xterm varnet works perfect keypad defined ideas egan ford egan phony utah utah 
core dump getcons organization american institute physics lines memory fault core dump motif session ultrix running examintion core file leads getcons marc marc wiener marc american institute physics sunnyside blvd voice woodbury 
animation xputimage nntp posting host ioas reply organization institute astronomy cambridge lines article rgooch csiro richard gooch writes tapes documentation written keith packard shared memory extension extensions found invaluble work shared memory segments making ximage extension query determine server supports test server running host shared memory enabled kernel written layers convience routines make transparent xview code doubt considered interesting interesting stuff object library people interested code email richard gooch rgooch csiro docs info turns leave colormap updates frames tvtwm tests frames server resident pixmap method give astonishing frames smooth found solution generous group colormap questions derek derek richardson institute astronomy cambridge mail 
animation xputimage organization pittsburgh supercomputing center lines nntp posting host andrew reply derek richardson writes shared memory putimage mentioned nkissebe beckman uiuc nick kisseberth interesting point documentation method give results server resident pixmaps interested xview code mentioned documentation shared memory extension distribution finished writing motif animation program lots image data display pretty darn fast server pixmaps shared memory insert delay loop quickly testing methods side side equal advantage server grow ridiculous sizes pixmaps work network removed application dies ipcrm manually debugging apps shared memory problem operating systems ultrix small number segments attached process redraw xshmattach xshmputimage xshmdetach systems displays tend support extension compiled wrong pixmaps server crash failed mallocs local unix domain socket copies info times redraw short allowing forms display program good thing minus running network user pick feels fastest ximagehandler class forget 
pixmaps colormaps selections summary selections pixmaps colormaps keywords selections nntp posting host morrison organization wolfram research lines able send pixmap client send colormap foreground background pixel values problem problem pixmap colormap telling server receiving client associations john john cwikla programmer wolfram research letter alphabet cwikla 
dynamic squeezetitle configuration keywords vtwm tvtwm ctwm organization systems strategies lines style squeezed titles indispensable window manager tall xterm windows visible time overlap windows xterm windows underneath positioning case familiar squeezed titles crude picture figure title title title window hides window body title window window squeezed figure squeezed titles windows stack easy access stack insist virtual problem title location static configured twmrc order change edit file restart window manager cumbersome time consuming implemented squeeze left center functions copy vtwm idea click button change title body window window title body window window good heck official tvtwm vtwm ctwm xyztwm heard post comp windows description enhancement explanation good thing hope reads case clear good thing back figure picture window moved windows window title hides window title squeezecenter result title title title body window window rest posting explains implement based copy vtvwm shar sketch posting full diffs long enhancement lines executefunction routine menus ifdef shape case squeezeleft static squeezeinfo left squeeze left deferexecution context func selectcursor return true squeeze info left squeeze setframeshape break similarly squeezeright squeezecenter center endif define squeezeleft parse squeezeleft fkeyword squeezeleft parse order functions twmrc file button door squeezecenter year posted news broken blast appeared comp sources volume issue blast achieve similar effect chiseling style wide title style window manager ralph betza uunet ssiny gnohmon gnohmon question computer swim interesting question submarine lenny dykstra 
animation xputimage reply message organization kubota pacific computer lines shared memory putimage mentioned nkissebe beckman uiuc nick kisseberth interesting point documentation method give results server resident pixmaps interested xview code mentioned easy answer question depends display device hold pixmaps screen memory efficiently server manages resources deal limited screen memory bane server implementor existence worked graphics devices screen memory main display copy rate eclipses main memory display copy rate main memory display faster screen display requires write framebuffer read write server code render pixmaps main memory rates equal slower depending implementation shared memory copyarea pixmap window copy main memory graphics device advanage images large growing size server process hold disadvantage sample implementation provision elegantly cleaning shared memory segments client dies sudden violent death kill mindful cluttering system zombie shared memory segments kenneth whaley kubota pacific computer email whaley walsh avenue santa clara 
xlib include files article shelley distribution world organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host deforest washington xperts sparc limited disk space partition previously able windows applications upgraded system realized hard disk space load openwindows alternative load neccessary files boot system resulted loading openwindows result libraries loaded load libraries include files files required running windows compiling programs written xlib desperate effort regain windows retrieved libx files tape include running windows fonts directories misc xinit error message fonts default path problem load directories disk space temporary suggestions disk load openwindows windows running pramod 
writing motif widget disclaimer views expressed article author represent views user group organization user group lines give information write motif widgets platform motif private header files source make public headers provided motif includes context widget multi column list lots people written subclass list simple class difficult principle lines code alternatively multi column list widget sell save write chance exist motif spec answers appreciated nicholas nicholas young 
forcing window manager accept specific coordinates window reply toml parcplace organization parcplace boulder lines article richard verhoeven writes bading berlin tobias doping bading writes xcreatewindow xsizehints flags usposition ussize pposition psize xsetwmnormalhints display window xsizehints hints window manager position size window users window manager accept values xsizehints flags pposition psize tells window manager values prefered values program user window manager place window prefer position size olwm tvtwm place title position window position reason place corner location requested iccm problem program able save current configuration restore solution xcreatewindow xsetwmproperties xmapwindow xflush xmovewindow code break calling xmapwindow xflush guarantee window visible managed window manager work reliable find decoration window manager window move window manager refuses move window lastrange toml parcplace 
postscript terminal reply henhj message lines organization tufts university medford distribution problem postscript working local sparcstation postscript works good connect terminal error messages postscript connect news display postscript work terminal xterminals news server xterminals speed nature limited functionality news workstation workarounds heard involving perl script replace programs news pageview programs ghostview elaborate perl workaround personal experience greg owen gowen tufts gowen tufts systems programmer tufts university computer science dept transfers disclaimed host boss address policy disconnect 
colormaps dialog shells organization media laboratory lines applicationshell colormap created xcreatecolormap colors display move cursor window technicolor effect fine basically program works problem question popup dialogshell prompt user input xmndialogstyle xmdialog primary application modal result cursor dialogshell colormap cursor applicationshell window dialogshell default colormap cursor window application colormap suggestions david 
xserver organization university maryland baltimore county campus lines distribution nntp posting host umbc umbc auth user banz subject find binaries nice source advance banz banz give people alternative microsoft greater good steve jobs unixworld april bill father presentation fose 
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xterm status line color organization internet lines xpert version xterm handles color style status lines 
problem running info rlogin shell organization motorola austin lines nntp posting host info utility remote login shell rlogin sparc longer type lower case info window prompt thought prob window openlook incompatible motif application tvtwm result definition problem workstations system admins feign ignorance able type lower case remote motif local openlook window manager wayne long internet william cannon drive west uucp texas oakhill risc austin texas phone 
repost accelerators translations keywords accelerator case reply toml parcplace organization parcplace boulder lines article trevor trevor bourget writes sdennis writes posted receive reply report subject problem motif xgrabkey implement menu accelerators grabs specific modifiers apply specification xgrabkey anymodifier combined modifiers desired case ctrl anyq section accelerators information translation tables xmnaccelerator resource likewise modifier prohibit modifiers present translation shiftq quit effect ctrl held time shift true accelerators mnemonics implemented event handlers grabs true menu accelerators motif implementor suggest lobbying xlib semantics changed support feature change documentation menu accelerators properly user expectations menu accelerators thing translations supply accelerator menu entry menu accelerator definition xmnaccelerator resource xmlabel manual page mind answering question motif xtinstallaccelerators reason ensure accelerators work independent case ctrl ctrl accelerators menu entry find thread motif accelerators absoultly amazing writing interface keyboard accelerators resource called accelerators translation table period implement programmer work accelerators installed user active automatically installed multiple accelerators single menu item menuitem accelerators override ctrlm fire shiftl fire accelerators work translations automatically ctrl show menuitem object world motif stuff complicated special cases depending type widget dealing reason political tone message lastrange toml parcplace 
animation xputimage organization csiro division radiophysics australia telescope national facility lines article whaley whaley writes advanage images large growing size server process hold correct servers version malloc return memory server free pixmap heap shrink disadvantage sample implementation provision elegantly cleaning shared memory segments client dies sudden violent death kill mindful cluttering system zombie shared memory segments part routines mentioned dirty trick problem create shared memory segment attach client attach server remove segment read pages removing shared memory segments segment dies attachments client dies attachment cleans server notices client dies frees resources including detaching segment attachment shared memory segment terrible works richard gooch 
xterm patches alpha article organization lines massaging remember exact names normal distribution compiles links fine xterm warning representation size match superclass override background warning translation table syntax error modifier expected warning found parsing error failed request badcolor invalid colormap parameter major opcode failed request allocnamedcolor resource failed request serial number failed request current serial number output stream core stuff working hints tips appreciated patches primo jaye mathisen systems manager roberts hall dept computer science montana state university bozeman osyjm montana 
widget translation problem article opus organization internet lines xpert writing custom widget support display graphics imagery user widget able creating operate mode translations actions handle mouse button presses work fine widget mode mode work widget widget child manager translations work widget configured mode child shell happening advance bruce gendler bgendler 
text field dialog widget focus organization college engineering univ wisconsin madison originator reznik wisc lines widget athena widgets mixed model application dialog popped text entry field focus aimilar code works perfectly pure mixed model relevant portion code wargs widget button popupshell dialog initialize toplevel xtsetarg wargs xtnlabel button xtcreatemanagedwidget foobtn commandwidgetclass toplevel wargs popupshell xtcreatepopupshell pupshell overrideshellwidgetclass button null xtaddcallback popupshell xtncallback mypopup xtpointer popupshell xtsetarg wargs xtnvalue dialog xtcreatemanagedwidget thedialog dialogwidgetclass popupshell wargs void mypopup popup shell call data widget widget popup shell xtpointer call data xtpopup popup shell xtgrabexclusive found give focus text field move application window place popup pointers greatly appreciated 
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keysym database problems keywords motif organization catt centre citri melbourne australia lines problems motif application machine paths find xkeysymdb file large warning output warning translation table syntax error unknown keysym osfactivate warning found parsing osfactivate managerparentactivate warning translation table syntax error unknown keysym osfcancel warning found parsing osfcancel managerparentcancel warning translation table syntax error unknown keysym osfselect warning found parsing osfselect managergadgetselect file location place machine compiled read xkeysymdb manually call additions xkeysymdb distributed application trace find translations application recognised liddelow fork systems programmer centre advanced technology telecommunications brain citri melbourne australia internet catt citri phone 
xlib nntp posting host organization texaco lines article gerard gerard driscoll writes pyeatt writes widget defined glxmdraw motif glxdraw athena widget similar xmdrawingarea calls render window glxlink glxunlink glxgetconfig glxwinset pages hold widgets gerard driscoll gerard odriscoll pont pixel systems iris ships latest version portable update couple weeks assume silicon graphics license source include company offering larry pyeatt views expressed internet pyeatt employer voice exception 
writing motif widget reply nicholas message organization open software foundation lines article nicholas nicholas young writes write motif widgets platform motif private header files source make public headers provided motif includes context find impossible source point depend ambitious concerned compliance general interface items traversal widget multi column list lots people written subclass list simple class difficult principle lines code create true multi column list placing lists geometry manager putting manager automatic scrolled window good large lists alternative alternatively multi column list widget sell save write chance exist motif spec motif multi column list looked commercial sets widget sets multi column list port douglas rand motif snail cambridge center cambridge disclaimer agrees vote amateur radio 
numlock masking interference meta compose extendchar organization internet lines xpert question means determining state capslock numlock alright ignore delved deeper xkeyevent found state bunch masks check lockmask capslock appears numlock mask varies server server mask numlock meta mask mask mask mask mask vendor server mask numlock solaris openwindows mask numlock unambiguous means determining numlock mask runtime server wasted bandwidth appalling ignorance ralph 
find papers rosenthal article agate organization berkeley undergraduate association lines nntp posting host soda berkeley march april version journal open front working programming clients summer experience programming thought issue helpful section debugging section common errors programming errors section references tutorials programming style rosenthal david simple client program proceedings winter usenix conference lemke rosenthal visualizing clients proceedings winter usenix conference find printed preferably electronic form suggest resources devoted introduction programming bookstore books find david simpson davesimp berkeley 
intrinsics slow popups organization department computer science university york england lines cjhs york wrote running sample problems reilly volume intrisics programming manual chapter popup dialog boxes page creating dialog application creates window button quit press button press pops dialog strange feature program pops dialog faster time time time slower experience sample programs behaviour fast response time time slow response time time onwards give ideas program popups time popup reasonable fast response time thankyou shirley responded able prevent behaviour methods running olwm keeping olwm putting wmtimeout resources suggested difficuty window manager positioning popup window guru analyse information post shirley 
question article bobasun bshaw organization semiconductor process design center lines nntp posting host bobasun folks quick question notice small window pretty default font xterms work supposed read xresources font size xrdb appears show stuff arguments xterm correct simple script feeling missing simple comments suggestions appreciated advance bshaw 
study organization university north texas denton distribution lines cutsie macintrash icons instant recipe mousitis imho system undoubtedly worst riscos mswombles simply provide keyboard shortcuts windows confess cover ears touch mouse stuff delete user making things easier option unix combination customizable hear hear agree completely thing stand interface shear determination force mouse mouse breaks system mouse handy occassions past moving icons work keyboard keys times faster mouse able simple inexperienced user long experienced month speaking moment window programmers provide menu mouse interface forward move keys command line interfaces time experienced equally applies windowing systems unix unix powerful seth buffington seth seth unix operator 
terminal config file question organization tybrin corporation shalimar distribution lines question exact entry parameter syntax terminal configuration file loaded terminal boots system access control list background unix systems running window terminal time manually network parameter access control list login telnet session great xhost work failed syntax wrong implementation bogus edit configuration file loaded boots matter entry edit boots access control list manuals worthless appreciated marie barden abarden eglin 
error failed request badpixmap invalid pixmap parameter nntp posting host bruno colorado organization university colorado boulder lines give guess simple program badpixmap error fourth bizarre call xtrelaizewidget code stoploop static void callback widget xtpointer xtpointer main xttoolkitinitialize xtappcontext xtcreateapplicationcontext junk display xtopendisplay null null null null junk null widget xtappcreateshell null null applicationshellwidgetclass null widget xtvacreatemanagedwidget xmpushbuttonwidgetclass xmnheight xmnwidth null xtaddcallback xmnactivatecallback callback null xtrealizewidget stoploop xevent event xtappnextevent event xtdispatchevent event stoploop xtreleasegc xdefaultgcofscreen xtscreen needed xtdestroywidget xtclosedisplay static void callback widget xtpointer xtpointer stoploop error time show error failed request badpixmap invalid pixmap parameter major opcode failed request creategc resource failed request serial number failed request current serial number output stream respond email note realize program ultra trivialized version real library routine david wood davewood colorado university colorado boulder 
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virtual nntp posting host nemesis reply detroch organization imec kapeldreef leuven belgium lines netland thought read existance virtual vtwm usual sites gatakeeper export find trace program give hint find program confirm deny existance program stefan 
installation problem organization rice university lines process installing sparcstation problem imagine missing screen driver lines figured internet land able installing machine openlook installed installed concurrently compile directory worked kinks compiled compiles warnings installed flags message lines interface configuration operation supported socket sunopenframebuffer inappropriate ioctl device fatal server error screens found ideas respond mail address advance immortalized works immortalized dying woody allen kirkpatrick dept electrical computer engineering rice university uunet rice houston 
imake problems keywords imake organization lines build imake running problems imakefile contructs makefile start lines pass makefile comments preprocessor makefile preprocessors treat appearing start line preprocessor treat hash symbol start directive strips comment treats hash symbol start directive fails determines directive temporarily hacked imake handle situation imakefiles parameter macro macro parameter warnings situations continues work familiar problems solutions information solutions solved version imake reviewed behave similarly easy access news response white billy appreciated 
imake windows summary porting imake keywords imake organization association nextstep developers international lines experience porting imake microsoft watcom compiler easy access news response white billy appreciated 
post script viewer organization diego state university computing services lines nntp posting host sdsu newsreader version recently printing files school laser printer feeling guilty showing post script viewer windows student enhence cybernatic ability 
forcing window manager accept specific coordinates window organization technical university berlin germany lines distribution world nntp posting host athene berlin mime version content type text plain charset content transfer encoding reply message article richard verhoeven writes olwm tvtwm place title position window position problem program able save current configuration restore solution xcreatewindow xsetwmproperties xmapwindow xflush xmovewindow works olwm elegant leaves wondering overlooking obvious richard resource positions border window user window window managers similar options figure difference user window position window manager decoration window position subtract positions xquerytree remember window manager decorations window parent window figure decoration width height window mapped greeting tobias bading berlin 
animation xputimage organization karlsruhe lines nntp posting host nestvx article rgooch csiro richard gooch writes remove shared memory segment terrible works terrible code years temporary files unix systems managed time open unlink burkhard neidecker lutz distributed multimedia group karlsruhe eerp portfolio manager software motion pictures berkom project multimedia base technology digital equipment corporation neidecker enet 
image plotting source code needed organization university denver dept math comp lines source sample create window image matrix unsigned char appreciated 
question motif diaog shell widget vuewm organization distribution lines dear netters noticed weared creating dialog shell widget running vuewm reason time create dialog shell foreground backgroun colors compared toplevel shell special body problem hardcodin colors respond kamlesh cary kamlesh 
benchmarks keywords benchmark organization lines process evaluating terminals includes running xremote serial line benchmarks determine comparative performance written benchmarks programs heard program called xstone locate archie reply afielden read newsgroup advance andrew fielden network systems information systems group support email afielden 
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numlock masking interference meta compose extendchar nntp posting host hppadan waterloo organization panacom waterloo canada newsreader version lines ralph seguin wrote question means determining state capslock numlock alright ignore delved deeper xkeyevent found state bunch masks check lockmask capslock appears numlock mask varies server server mask numlock meta mask mask mask mask mask vendor server mask numlock solaris openwindows mask numlock unambiguous means determining numlock mask runtime server wasted bandwidth appalling ignorance check keysym keys modifier numlock mapping modifier ugly precedent keysyms differentiate capslock shiftlock lock modifier accepted strategy handling ambiguous assignments numlock mapped modifier suppose found good handle locking modifiers hope helps dave lapp standard disclaimer 
motif based graphing package organization university corporation atmospheric research ucar distribution lines motif based graphing package integrate large software package development distribution universities public domain commercial commercial package royalties required binary distribution graphing capabilities minimum nice info appreciated summarize interest mitch mitchell baltuch unidata program center mitch ucar ucar boulder 
postscript terminal lines reply ccgwt grant totten organization trent university mail bounced article write henhj henrik balthazar hjort subject postscript terminal problem postscript working local sparcstaton postscript works good connect terminal error messages postscript connect news display postscript work terminal make work terminal support postscript extensions product dxpsview program decstation view postscript files moved terminal compiled ghostscript software view postscript files terminals hope helps grant henrik henrik hjort hjort grant totten programmer analyst trent university peterborough ontario gtotten phone stride trample 
hypercard unix organization austin lines article queloz ethz ronald queloz writes netlanders macintosh hypercard unix platform advance metacard hypercard programming environment chun hong 
forcing window manager accept specific coordinates window organization columbia university department computer science lines article bading berlin tobias doping bading writes resource positions border window user window window managers similar options figure difference user window position window manager decoration window position subtract positions xquerytree remember window manager decorations window parent window figure decoration width height window mapped getgeometry find relative frame translatecoordinates find window upperleft corner ethan 
definitions emacs reply lanzo mark lanzo organization tekelec raleigh lines prior article ajaffe uchicago andrew jaffe wrote emacs customize keyboard stuff emacs keymap define keys access keys terminal keyboard home pgup pgdn keycode feeling fixed emacs xmodmap stuff event handling pretty hardwired emacs problem back solution change source code special keys generated character sequences basically encoded keysym modifier state escape sequences sequence home pressed shift detect standard keys modifiers shift return source comfortable munging basically replace keypress handling code source file term interested send tweaks imagine bigger fish including talked emacs sufficient interest post mods group notes special code apply emacs create window plain mode includes xterm windows business usual patches made version back patches chunk code endif easily adapted mark lanzo lanzo 
title xterm reply lanzo mark lanzo organization tekelec raleigh lines prior article naoumov sergei naoumov writes work stations current logname title xterm open machine closed words host logname title opened xterm host xterm closed apologies answering answered news feed losing articles check ways start xterm command line options icon icon label window title window title title window title equivalent window title escape sequences change things basic escape sequence ascii escape bell characters ascii decimal digit depending window icon title desired label string command window icon title echo title icon title echo title window title echo title fiddle exact syntax depending echo command works system shell shown system semantics bourne korn shells hint users echo echo built echo embed literal characters string convenient octal sequences titlebar updated continously show current directory hostname somesuch coerce shell spitting escape sequences prompts commands escape sequence prompt string mark lanzo lanzo 
find appcontext reply lanzo mark lanzo organization tekelec raleigh lines prior article masc sdsu todd greene call give application context fixing motif program xtappaddtimeout argument context call give xtappcontext xtwidgettoapplicationcontext widget context returned xtcreateapplicationcontext xtappinitialize option path 
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problem running info rlogin shell lines nntp posting host batman wayne long writes info utility remote login shell rlogin sparc longer type lower case info window prompt thought prob window openlook incompatible motif application tvtwm result definition problem workstations system admins feign ignorance able type lower case remote motif local openlook window manager wayne long internet william cannon drive west uucp texas oakhill risc austin texas phone exact problem figured solution linux free unix openwindows solutions internet ziegenfe uucp rutgers lafcol batman ziegenfe 
xfree organization computer science concordia university montreal quebec lines xfree running consensys encountered minor hope probems hooked remote applications connect server command permit xhost logged type xhost error message local machine enable access local machine problem mouse movement find mouse cursor moves extremely slow choppy make mouse cursor move accurately advance appreciated send replies christy christy 
summary nntp posting host bobasun organization semiconductor process design center lines folks replied problem turned simple xresources space xterm font removing xrdb fixed problem symptom users proper capitals xterm font 
load network organization national library medicine newsreader version lines point direction papers necessarily formally conducted studies discussing traffic apps generate network comparison curses bases apps telnet server typically buffer user keyboard input line time client control keystrokes immediately advance feedback kline phoenix systems bkline voice 
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shading program reply andre beck dresden organization dept computer science dresden germany lines nntp posting host irzr dresden article mahan patrick mahan writes shading program based xlib public domain allocate correct colormaps program started playing program called povray persistance vision raytracer displays output windows fairly good allocating colormap psuedo color plane display source site canda person retrieved david buck dbuck carleton original post searching existing implementations gouroud shading triangles fairly complex plain simpler shading models implemented archie latest version gouroud fast implementation utilizing extension shade image fast update window opengl able shade portable vanilla shade normal ximage xputimage good static things fractal landscapes stuff speak povray previewer original source package good speed protocol friendlyness iccm compliance preview code misc readme states points xwindow povray brain inside andre beck abpsoft mehl andre beck dresden 
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amiga organization university toronto department industrial engineering lines hardware mandate port based stereo video software experience amiga machines retain event handling ease plight considerably motif bits gary lawrence murphy garym rose utoronto university toronto industrial dept taddle creek toronto voice true destination 
presentation port organization microsystems lines distribution world reply brian colaric central nntp posting host nostromo central port applications openwindows motif desperately information short complete rewrite tool make porting easer references talent hire presentation emulator replies flames brian colaric brian colaric central 
intrinsics slow popups organization department computer science university york england lines bryan boreham bryan wrote article cjhs york writes application creates window button quit press button press pops dialog strange feature program pops dialog faster time time time slower shell waiting window manager respond positioning request window manager responding thinks window place components sulk unclear information greatly received clue derek pointer direction solution derek popup popped setvalue location repeat popups unchanged previous popup slow response avoided calling getvalue setvalue required location problem avoided making tiny alteration location popup setvalue change location popup double check source problem solutions successfully olwm olwm resource wmtimeout reset location popup window truely changed working chris stuart 
overriding window manager focus processing organization information services rockville lines nntp posting host utexas keywords window manager focus motif working window based application override window manager focus processing motif working open future circumstances prevent user switching window application window window window window hierarchy user clicks mouse window brought window hierarchy window circumstances user clicks mouse window beep prevent window raised window research testing appears window ordering handled window manager case motif found override default processing standard window functions switching occurs focus change mapping notify events find motif make switch temporary solution kludgy partially works detect window switch cases switch allowed manually force window back xraisewindow call beep xbell function functionality ugly windows switch places motif preferably window manager window order switch place respond mail posting newsgroup cheers randall randall severy uunet uunet severy information services internet severy washington genie rsevery rockville phone 
intrinsics slow popups organization neuronal pattern analysis university illinois lines article cjhs york writes cjhs york wrote running sample problems reilly volume intrisics programming manual chapter popup dialog boxes page creating dialog application creates window button quit press button press pops dialog strange feature program pops dialog faster time time time slower experience sample programs behaviour fast response time time slow response time time onwards give ideas program popups time popup reasonable fast response time thankyou shirley responded able prevent behaviour methods running olwm keeping olwm putting wmtimeout resources suggested difficuty window manager positioning popup window guru analyse information post shirley problem remember xttranslatecoordinates realizing main widget calculate location popup xtvasetvalues popup widgets calling setvalues repeatedly time pops slows delved deep figure jeremy payne uiuc neuroscience program college medicine jrpayne 
window server frequency operations data organization university north carolina chapel hill lines nntp posting host monet keywords frequency data server architecture designing architecture chip intended speed common operations windowing system friend designing chip final project advanced computer architecture taught fred brooks chapel hill feel pretty solid design ahold frequency data windows server make effective budget unable find sort faqs manuals type frequency data copy rectangle operations draw lines things sort barring program records requests server logfile munge appreciated mark mark deloura deloura north carolina chapel hill 
colormaps dialog shells organization open software foundation lines dyoung david young writes applicationshell colormap created xcreatecolormap colors display popup dialogshell prompt user input xmndialogstyle xmdialog primary application modal result cursor dialogshell colormap cursor applicationshell window dialogshell default colormap cursor window application colormap correct behavior remember default colormapfocuspolicy keyboard meaning cmap focus keyboard focus dialog modal keyboard focus main shell cmap focus sounds keyboardfocuspolicy pointer suggest colormapfocuspolicy pointer cmap focus slavishly follow keyboard focus beat path keyboardfocuspolicy explicit cmap focus explicit binding focus color david brooks dbrooks open software foundation uunet dbrooks showres soote foote 
toolkits organization university waterloo lines making large application free distribution copylefted bewildered huge number standards open systems created lived fairly tookit sheltered environment tools produced athena widget intrinsics humble opinion crap characteristic tookits poor aestetic taste programmers sculptured understand free tookits linux interviews impression andrew explain toolkit mess obliged free portable nice resource happen linux advance 
problems color xterm reply benjamin stephen kelley organization dominguez barry lines recently obtained copy color xterm export mentioned previous article compilation reports undefined symbols wmshellwidgetclass applicationshellwidgetclass runs sending escape sequences colour colour black text black background ideas program colour successfully point colour terminal emulators running openwindows sparcs running sunos advathanksnce kelley dbsm 
title xterm reply lanzo message nntp posting host grymoire reply barnett organization corp schenectady article lanzo mark lanzo writes hint users echo echo built echo embed literal characters string convenient octal sequences idea echo slower built echo execute hostname shell window read extra file manipluating titles require executing extra programs execute programs system stores file time hostname setenv hostname hostname endif figure generate escape bell echo commands line terminator variable executed script system echo echo variables echo hostname source echo hostname echo echo built echo berkeley style echo echo echo echo hostname echo echo echo hostname echo echo echo hostname echo echo hostname source echo hostname echo built echo sysv echo echo echo hostname echo echo hostname echo echo hostname echo echo hostname source echo hostname endif shelltool cmdtool xterm duplicate aliases avoid problems term aliases alias header alias iheader term xterm alias header alias iheader endif bruce barnett uunet crdgw barnett 
xarchie nntp posting host organization computer science engineering university texas arlington lines xarchie version source form preferably executable form suggest find send mail advance 
pulldown menu periodically hangs application openwindows nntp posting host reply skip organization wollongong group east coast operations lines found problem client software sunos server hardware server software sunos open windows patch motif application periodically hang openwindows server xnews pulldown displayed button actions effect pressing unstick application pulldown grabbing focus letting windows display continue updated server hanging terminal kill motif application back normal application servers including xsun decwindows tektronix terminal problems openwindows problem work customers openwindows users things installing latest version openwindows server patch version olwm applying patch motif question effect disabling point click method menu interaction opposed click drag method screwing menu mnemonics keys able application hang repeat intermittent problem times click release menu heading pulldown menu click release menu item repeat application hangs appreciated advance skip koppenhaver skip 
screen problem unix xwindows solaris keywords unix xwindows solaris organization georgia institute technology lines experiment openwindows xterm window solaris machine rlogin character line display column display rest line wrapped line display condition persists check stty reset effect telnet rlogin occur unix console occur causing avoided terminal characteristics reset send replies shenk gatech shonkwiler georgia institute technology atlanta georgia uucp allegra hplabs seismo gatech prism arpa gatech 
internationalized menus icon labels keywords icon motif openlook nntp posting host dale organization lines problem icon pixmap application openwindow motif wrote program motif pixmap icons runs fine motif motif window manager icon pixmap show openwin olwm olwm kind problem clue works motif openwindow great jigang yang jigang jyang bitnet beckleymeade dallas 
icon pixmap problem keywords icon motif openlook nntp posting host dale organization superconducting super collider laboratory lines problem icon pixmap application openwindow motif wrote program motif pixmap icons runs fine motif motif window manager icon pixmap show openwin olwm olwm kind problem clue works motif openwindow great jigang yang jigang jyang bitnet beckleymeade dallas 
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study originator xjfa organization delco electronics corp distribution lines article seth csci seth buffington writes cutsie macintrash icons instant recipe mousitis imho system undoubtedly worst riscos mswombles simply provide keyboard shortcuts windows confess cover ears touch mouse stuff delete user making things easier option unix combination customizable hear hear agree completely thing stand interface shear determination force mouse mouse breaks system mouse handy occassions past moving icons work keyboard keys times faster mouse able simple inexperienced user long experienced month speaking moment window programmers provide menu mouse interface forward move keys command line interfaces time experienced equally applies windowing systems unix unix powerful user unfriendly 
amiga article fripp reply organization cadre technologies lines nntp posting host article utoronto garym utoronto gary murphy writes hardware mandate port based stereo video software experience amiga machines retain event handling ease plight considerably motif bits amiga cost gfxbase owned dale luck original amiga architects sells amiga options including motif call scoop gfxbase ellwell drive phone milpitas connection satisfied customer hartley find cadre technologies side majority time reform twain richmond providence overman class kilgore trout memorial clench church subgenius 
make simplest composite widget organization centerline software lines nntp posting host programmer stretch imagination driving crazy simple make composite widget placeholder widget instance heirarchy allowing additional resource level illustrate application widget heirarchy shell widget application widghet shell widget intermediate widget application widget intermediate widget properties propagates values shell widget assume simple find documentation vague implementing composite widgets respond email appreciated frost jimf 
toolkits summary athena widget distribution inet organization virginia tech blacksburg lines nntp posting host vtaix libxaw athena widget greatly improve sculptured linux shared jump table libs recompile relink libxaw libxaw thomas 
file formats organization internet lines xpert folks give information location information reference material file formats wiff ioca place questions accept apologies advance rich rollman dogleg systems 
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toolkits organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article papresco math uwaterloo paul prescod writes making large application free distribution copylefted packages meet criteria present aesthetically pleasant graphical interface users xview openlook interviews motif gopath nice toolkit athena widgets motif simpler interviews enjoy technical support bull mail nice draw program motif create graphical front programs data format called streams feed programs ported gopath internet machine minimal effort gopath ported gopath interfaces toolkits driver module windows driver module instance written extensions allowing powerful applications instance snmp extensions ease combine snmp network operations graphs photo widget graphical interface file operations database operations author mail simple network management application lines long displayed environmental parameters router wrote simple strip chart script displaying real time received packets seconds hope helps amancio hasty message brought letters number amancio hasty home site depository work mail hasty sunvis rtpnc incoming 
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server organization internet lines expo xpert generated server windows share config file tricks make work information bill steer westinghouse 
xvertext organization university sussex lines xannounce xvertext summary xvertext functions draw strings angle window previous versions limited vertical text rotation achieved ximages notion rotating font dropped added cache copy previously rotated strings speeding redraws comp sources export contrib xvertext shar alan richardson school maths physical sciences wise univ sussex brighton england judas priest mppa sussex syma mppa sussex 
xcursor organization national center atmospheric research lines xannounce xcursor version export xcursor added option determine requested cursor size server richard neitzel thor ucar torren sitt skjegg national center atmospheric research lokkar borni sole vegg boulder sitt shinn jagar borni 
bitplaned chunky pixel organization department computer science university edinburgh lines version server stuff colour frame buffer implementation works bitplaned mode screen memory grouped pixel beast moment gfxbase server commodore amiga commercial wrote suspect respond email read group dave david crooke department computer science university edinburgh janet internet talk work jcmb king bldgs mains edinburgh home woodburn terr side edinburgh 
segmentation fault keywords organization applied physics laboratory lines planning pipe move display data system color hardcopy unit xwud display hostname tested simple windows openwindows file manager worked fine complex larger image part blew segmentation fault pipe redirecting output file file input xwud error xwud guess running memory happened sparc megs swap space user minimal activity file verion xwud supplied openwindows distribution corresponds ideas advance dave humes johns hopkins university applied physics laboratory humesdg jhuapl 
nnouncing tcpview motif based protocol analyzer organization networks distributed computing lines keywords protocol analyzer xannounce tcpview result problems network general sniffers heavily debug problems hundred subnets good tools heavy hard find limited software expandibility difficult upload data analysis remotely operated resolve names requiring manual manipulation table tcpdump found difficult people information protocols interactively handle streams read sniffer files tcpdump reasonable decoding large number protocols easily modified tcpview attempt resolve problems adding motif interface tcpdump expanding features tcpview tested decstation ultrix sunos work systems tcpdump compiles build tcpview motif files anonymous washington networking tcpview tcpview tcpdump source code tcpview binaries tcpview mips ultrix binaries tcpview adds tcpdump easier interface enhanced protocol decoding display frame capture based time number frames user interrupt show ethernet addresses manufacturer ethernet address host table easily follow stream highlighting order frames send data external file filter additional processing tcpdump features reads writes network general sniffer files file type automatically detected read snmp file format changed time options added options added viewing processing data packets bugs fixed relative sequence numbers flag flags read sniffer file needed reading stdin prints delta times tt prints times relative frame write sniffer save file print frame minus link level header hexdump format sample output jeff washington funet print data hexdump format write data stdout eliminate timestamp write frames data stdout martin hunt martinh washington networks distributed computing university washington martin hunt martinh washington networks distributed computing university washington 
characterset wchar nntp posting host distribution comp organization yokogawa electric corporation tokyo japan lines developed toolkit running window system toolkit copes languages based facility kinds implementation release ximp original implementation toolkit toolkit manages character size based font management system order wchar typed character strings decomposed character sets means wchar type compound string ascii kanji mixed element wchar array checked character based layout application environment locale case locale japanese wchar character classified jisx function function check characters character character find public function inevitably internal functions construct function source code function decomposecharacterset code iima iima ifndef define include extern decomposecharacterset const wchar char buflen scanned char charset extern xmstring wchartoxmstring const wchar extern xmstringcharset charsetofwchar const wchar endif iima include include include include extern include define xwcdecomposeglyphcharset xwcdecomposeglyphcharset define xmbfscs xmbfscs define xmbctidtocsid xmbctidtocsid include xlocaleint undef xwcdecomposeglyphcharset undef xmbfscs undef xmbctidtocsid extern xwcdecomposeglyphcharset xlocale const wchar char extern charset xmbfscs xlocale csid extern csid xmbctidtocsid xlocale csid decomposecharacterset const wchar char scanned char charset xlocale xlocale xfallbackconvert ctid status charset xcharset status xwcdecomposeglyphcharset xlocale scanned ctid status success xcharset xmbfscs xlocale xmbctidtocsid xlocale ctid charset xcharset xcharset null charset null return status included file xlocaleint internal copied file toolkit directory compiled issue occured compile toolkit application machine version link application based toolkit link errors occured functions missing xmbctidtocsid code xmbfscs code xwcdecomposeglyphcharset code xfallbackconvert code release version implementation applications successfully reasons release implemented hoped popularity internal functions linker complains internal functions implemented observe libx ximp implementation vanilla ximp version version ximp finding counter part functions ximp lead solution question goal construct function decomposecharacterset listed function check character element wchar type strings depending locales public function perfect internal functions order render wchar type string machinery judge character sets proper fonts selected string find source files goal comments highly appreciated ximp treating area implementation takeshi inoue inoue yokogawa yokogawa electric corporation open systems laboratory 
filemanager organization community access unix internet project lines article brians brian sheets writes file manager runs unix xdtm working ftptool quality writing mike virginia raise taxes middle class unknown 
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change default visual lines workstation pseudocolor colors default visual start visual default 
bitmap postscript lines folks develope window application encountered problem transform window bitmap postscript files library routines source code call advance email reply seldom read newsgroup 
forcing window manager accept specific coordinates window organization parcplace boulder lines article ethan columbia ethan solomita writes article bading berlin tobias doping bading writes resource positions border window user window window managers similar options figure difference user window position window manager decoration window position subtract positions xquerytree remember window manager decorations window parent window figure decoration width height window mapped getgeometry find relative frame translatecoordinates find window upperleft corner reliable find size window manager decoration window reparented assume window parented window holds window manager decoration layers windows multiple xquerytree root work cases guarantee decoration window parented root window display tvtwm lastrange toml parcplace 
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xarchie asap nntp posting host organization computer science engineering university texas arlington lines xarchie version source form preferably executable form suggest find send mail advance 
asynchronous windows organization centerline software lines distribution inet nntp posting host ellis stewart ellis writes windows async line window window system number designations accepted consortium fact pretty machine consortium requests names referring software window system version window system version thing windows window repeated misuse forms trade rags tells trust trade rags window system trust regard dialup implementations serial terminals couple companies including graphon fact composing running serial lines kbaud connection sells software package xremote implementation serial software packages supposed include standardized compression scheme running speed connections called bandwidth based improved versions techniques xremote released consortium standard vendors supply implementations sorts hardware followups directed comp windows matt landau waiting flash enlightenment matt blood thunder 
xsun running sparcclassic organization lines distribution world nntp posting host dogwalk article rank passau christian rank writes installed patches solaris sparcstation sparcclassic pool runs fine classics giving command startx xsun prints messages warning mmap dummy space mapping device address exits problem guessing guess expects resolution version sparcclassic disclaimer represent sunsoft microsystems brian herzog sunsoft herzog herzog 
tektronix organization community access unix internet project lines remember distribution mentioning support tektronix terminal server accurate mike virginia raise taxes middle class unknown 
tvtwm xsetroot sparc keyboard lines nntp posting host rainbow berlin mime version content type text plain charset content transfer encoding barr david barr writes install sunkbd patch contrib directory export keys keyboard send events properly pageup pagedown cluster recognized compose works composed characters xterm passed table server xmodmap stty pass setenv ctype setenv lesscharset latin login prevents stripping sets locale makes show character octal representation robert joop rainbow berlin fokus berlin joop fokus berlin 
window organization starnet communications corp lines briefly starnet communications server packages micro lite includes integrated runs arcs micro enlite includes integrated runs shape extension interface novell micro pack includes integrated runs shape extension interface novell micro pack includes lanera tcpopen stack utilities interface winsock information contact starnet communications lawrence expressway voice santa clara mail microx 
color xview frames organization case western reserve university lines distribution world nntp posting host amethyst cwru xview sparc openwindows xvideo board parallax enables color problems utilizing color greatly matter xview create frame create canvas pane inside display live video video input color problem level frame created frame frame create null frame null depth propagated canvas depth frame bits xlib code xvisualinfo visual info depth colormap colormap xsetwindowattributes attribs unsigned long valuemask window opaque frame frame xmatchvisualinfo display screen depth truecolor visual info good colormap xcreatecolormap display visual info allocnone dies badmatch error attribs colormap colormap valuemask cwcolormap xchangewindowattributes display valuemask attribs xsetwindowcolormap display colormap completely wrong approach depth colormap window created xview wrong advance prefer response email post newsgroup alok alok mathur computer science engg case western reserve univ cleveland fairchild road cleveland email amathur cwru 
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regression testing summary info required capture playback testing tools clients keywords regression reply megan lines feedback capture playback tools clients pulled public domain appears test servers clients comparisons comments regression testing tools great xrunner autotester capbak smarts exdiff megan grenenger megan 
shading program organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop beck dresden xpert original post searching existing implementations gouroud shading triangles fairly complex plain simpler shading models implemented archie latest version gouroud fast implementation utilizing extension shade image fast update window opengl able shade portable vanilla shade normal ximage xputimage good static things fractal landscapes stuff speak povray previewer original source package good speed protocol friendlyness iccm compliance preview code misc readme states points xwindow povray version code default windows code running alpha running openvms pretty impressed side effect requires xstdcmap work annoyning show stopper patrick mahan window washer mahan waking person unnecessarily considered lazarus long capital crime offense notebooks lazarus long 
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llocated colors nntp posting host ioas reply organization institute astronomy cambridge lines total number color cells allocated default colormap colormap defaultcolormap mydisplay myscreen maximum number allocated cells defaultcells mydisplay myscreen general number cells allocated depending color requirements windows place determine number advance derek derek richardson institute astronomy cambridge mail 
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load network organization department computer science lines bkline occs kline writes point direction papers necessarily formally conducted studies discussing traffic apps generate network comparison curses bases apps telnet server typically buffer user keyboard input line time client control keystrokes immediately advance feedback excellent document titled host loading considerations environment received copy emailing support white university south carolina hssc scarolina humanities social sciences laboratory columbia 
tektronix organization community access unix internet project lines article mahan patrick mahan writes remember distribution mentioning support tektronix terminal server accurate xterm supports emulation talking terminal display write server mike virginia raise taxes middle class unknown 
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remote tektronics emulation nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines proceedure remote login modem ethernet silicon graphics iris machines terminal emulating communication software kermit supports emulation windows manual lists xterm command change terminal type reponse unable open window advance keith grider keith grider crimes kgrider ohio state yeah lets sushi repo 
mono nntp posting host mowog organization ross technology austin lines prints message framebuffer cgtwo cgtwo color board fast read story impulse item henry reynolds cactus fone ross technology west suite austin 
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repost xview slider organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop xpert xperts repost responded desperate yell xview wizards sliders xview apps editable numeric field control length field apps appears long characters maximum panel understand panel display length controls number characters displayed text items work case slider fact panel multiline text item panel numeric text item panel slider item panel text item attributes panel notify level panel attr attr enum panel display length panel attr attr hint attribute sliders setting attribute ting attribute warning attribute returns strange thing port xview plenty space text fields xview share experience managing sliders xview clear problem appreciated yuri yuri 
static color clients reply roeber organization cern european organization nuclear research lines writing server video generation equipment hardware truecolor space terms static color visual server present static visual acceptable clients problems colormap huge static pixels bytes wide hardware lives space translation introduce rounding error server client limitations thwart clients stuff floating blithely accept write server present pseudocolor visual bits avoid absolutes hearing people opinions suggestions frederick roeber cern european center nuclear research mail roeber roeber work mail cern geneva switzerland home 
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core dump getcons organization american institute physics lines memory fault core dump motif session ultrix running examintion core file leads getcons marc marc wiener marc american institute physics sunnyside blvd voice woodbury 
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ndrew toolkits organization carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines distribution inet nntp posting host andrew reply excerpts netnews comp windows toolkits paul prescod impression andrew andrew user interface system supported maintained enhanced distributed andrew consortium carnegie mellon distribution terms consortium public license commercially exploit andrew code restriction encourage membership defer universal release latest versions consortium members opportunity explore capabilities auis remote demo server machine linked internet give command finger instructions note demo version motif feel scrollbar demo changing option preferences file starting editor andrew toolkit component auis ideal build applications compound documents andrew major feature architecture recursive embedding objects equation table figure text architecture extends areas found toolkits including file stream formats paste printing andrew commonly requested applications word processor spreadsheet drawing editor font editor version generally released tape december fred hansen director andrew consortium 
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server organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop cognac sunpitt expo xpert east server share files experiences bill steer westinghouse 
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static color clients nntp posting host bambam reply pmartz paul martz organization evans sutherland computer corp salt lake city lines article roeber cern frederick roeber writes writing server video generation equipment hardware truecolor space terms static color visual server present static visual acceptable clients problems colormap huge static pixels bytes wide hardware lives space translation introduce rounding error ship server supported truecolor visual main problems encountered clients written logic defaultdepth assume default depth clients deep visual root window correctly clients bother outright assumed dynamic visual class dynamic colormap xstorecolors work cmaps static truecolor visual classes clients bother check start throwing xstorecolor calls client error case clients easier expose pseudocolor default root window visual client writers change clients thing paul pmartz evans sutherland 
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asynchronous windows organization internet lines nntp posting host enterpoop xpert window system number designations accepted consortium fact pretty machine consortium requests names referring software window system version window system version thing windows window repeated misuse forms trade rags tells trust trade rags window system trust incorrect english constructs raining window annoy time popular usage starts dictate things world fact news popular opinion technically superior related topic color correct colour irish english english opposed american english terms xalloccolor colormap world term windows refer microsoft windows time accept windows valid term concise uncluttered term window system face ultimately product sales literate people respect product recognition important short snappy descriptive title positively obscure dealing average punter thought software engineer unfortunate popularly windows worry called microsoft windows microsoft window system plain microsoft summarise summarize point message pressing issues facing community worrying subtle distinctions naming window system windowing system recognised fine agree careful interpreting trade papers reluctant conclusion purely basis window system gerard driscoll gerard odriscoll pont pixel systems 
server organization utexas mail news gateway lines distribution inet nntp posting host utexas program written motif runs fine server macx program sparc server program crashed server crashed window showed error fatal error broken pipe server perot requests processed events remaining connection broken server shutdown killclient program xmon twenty lines xmon program server crashed request getproperty delete false window property type long offset reply getproperty format type bytes request getinputfocus reply getinputfocus revert parent focus request changeproperty mode replace window property type format data request getinputfocus email idea problem advance chiu mwchiu 
asynchronous windows organization centerline software lines nntp posting host gerard gerard driscoll writes window system number designations accepted consortium thing windows window repeated misuse forms trade rags incorrect english constructs raining window annoy time popular usage starts dictate things world discussion spark lengthy debate worth pointing popular usage sufficient excuse case parallel found pronunciation proper names people commonly misspelled mispronounced feel compelled change true window system related monickers proper names sense product proper fact trademarked names fact people wrong largely point trade publications promulgate things window windows nonsensical variants sees fact publications supposedly written journalists trust facts journalist bothered source trust product review product wrong popular usage holding people claim journalists higher standard correctness fact news popular opinion technically superior technically superior news alternate universe 
unisys emulation keywords xterm term emulation organization capital area central texas unix society austin lines source xterm package ready perform unisys terminal emulation clunker connect return mikell mikell calame linebarger graham pena attys 
andrew technical conference organization carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host enterpoop xannounce reminder plan andrew conference date dates noted changed submission extension accepting papers tutorial topic converting andrew source code tutorial discuss steps convert site extended classc conversion source code requires couple steps converter fill missing type information describing long remainder spent learning write objects practicing andrew technical conference consortium annual meeting june carnegie mellon university pittsburgh conference held thursday friday june tutorial thursday conference proper annual meeting dinner evening days conference attendees annual meeting consortium members able vote year theme application construction programmers effort toolkits aimed programmer construction applications excellent uims systems built papers addressing theme questions needed application construction programmers avoid programming altogether simple language needed sufficient create applications users able create widgets widgets applications able print participation conference papers theme aspect andrew user interface system including applications experience users objects reviews proposals revision internal andrew protocols expect video projector demonstration paper proposals submitted acceptance june final papers june send papers electronic mail fred hansen director andrew consortium 
xarchie export organization department computer science university rochester lines nntp posting host enterpoop xannounce accept announcement comp windows announce completely revamped version browser interface archie xarchie export contrib xarchie familar archie xarchie include part manpage intro xarchie browser interface archie internet information system prospero virtual filesystem protocol archie information files internet xarchie displays information easy point click interface xarchie explore sites examining directories returned query matches retrieve files located xarchie extensively tested variety flavors wide range machines summary features readme major improvements include multiple selections allowed browser features multilist widget ability expand directories browser real fully integrated implementation ability save reload query results print ability resort results sort results user definable pseudo weights online browser color resources break mono displays fileselector widget local file operations makefile supplied imake impaired george george ferguson arpa ferguson rochester dept computer science uucp rutgers rochester ferguson university rochester rochester 
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mgbs real world article zeus distribution world organization texas university academic computing services lines nntp posting host zeus tamu news software vnews article mike mike brookbank writes sister year produced good shape bugging years year produced selling sell worthless maintains increasing result limited availability affectionados market alot mgbs earlier cars desirable things chrome bumpers ride height generally power older cars appreciating slowly newer stable level moment require extremely good condition miles good shape regular maintenance long time plenty parts sources ouththere great keeping solely hopes sell worth waiting time real profitable level rick guynn driver soontobe mkii tamu rebuild complete finished texas university keeper eternal octagon roadster marque symbol registered refuses honest 
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jeep grand toyota runner organization microsystems lines distribution world reply jfox east nntp posting host hooksett east article edwards jonathan edwards writes buying vehicles drive family vehicle jeep popular features wheel drive wheel anti lock roomy passenger cabin limited cargo internal spare toyota aging design part time wheel rear anti lock anti lock inconvenient rear gate mention awkward ingress passenger cabin reason limited mentioned point spectrum mention price range explorer trooper blazer montero budget land cruiser bear mind purchased venture road carefully weigh trade comfort road performance choosing realistically decide make road ability sacrifice road comfort john john 
geico mechanical breakdown insurance organization motorola distribution nntp posting host lines article rjwade purdue robert wade writes article mcculloc loral thad mcculloch writes experience geico extended warranty plan slightly expensive normal dealer sponsored policy extended warranties complete total ripoff period taking money putting bank money repairs extended warranties payments people money bank sole automotive repair people hard time saving money hassle worrying paying extended warranty worth people worth peace mind knowing unexpected expenses drive basic warranty longer year people make payments large repairs work people andrew andrew bernstein motorola thing sanity algonquin road sanest fact schaumburg dire straits bernstei corp mail 
mgbs real world organization mortice kern systems waterloo ontario canada lines sister year produced good shape bugging years selling sell worthless maintains increasing result limited availability affectionados market mike brookbank king north mike director interopen sales waterloo ontario mortice kern systems canada 
male female mystery dumbest automotive concepts time organization california institute technology lines nntp posting host neptune caltech article sharen lmsc lockheed sharen rund writes features forgets families children woman checking park fumbling purse thinking biological reason women keys pants pockets pockets back pants keys wallent pockets botton close securely simpler women biological room bigger bottom keys wallet raised parents 
convertibles bouton udel katherine bouton reply bouton udel organization delaware college marine studies lewes nntp posting host gertrude udel lines wondering point find list comparison convertibles days making comeback 
toyota wagons organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply john daker nntp posting host noticed toyota uncanny knack designing horrible ugly station wagons tercels corollas camrys designers aesthetic sense darkman significant problems face solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion 
dumbest automotive concepts time organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply john daker nntp posting host holders driving importantant undertaking cellular phones mobile machines vanity mirrors driver side ashtrays smokers fine road fake convertible roofs vinyl roofs gold trim darkman significant problems face solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion 
ford probe engine problems organization harris lauderdale lines distribution world nntp posting host grouper harris local dealers miles probe photocopy document taped window dealership bought back previous owner engine noises ford district noises normal thought worth clean mentioned worker proceeded horror story probe problems ending engine noises heads ford acknowledged noise working cure traded checked evidence reoccuring problem probe extension madza love buying turning time scheduled life crisis hate find proud owner lemon 
integra cars reply kenyon enet doug kenyon stardog champion organization digital equipment corporation lines great cars handle corner accelerate integra question cars moonroof sliding sunshade wimpy sunroofs power sliding roofs opaque moonroof opened closed light shaded important doug integra 
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hard change springs truck organization circle shellfish ranch shores pacific california lines bottom line worked tips techniques included article callison uoknor james callison writes article apple michael smith writes peculiar tools remove rear springs ford truck leaf springs front rear socket wrench floor jack hydrolic bottle jack home found needed smaller sockets undo shocks helped sockets needed metric exact able sockets close canadian ford pictureing undo bolts bottle jack axle raise frame stress leaf spring undo bolts bushings drop spring turn bottom leaf connect spring bolts sounds undo bolts bushings bolts side shock absorber jacking frame spare tire garage floor wooden platform floor jack high raise frame tall truck lifted spring free axel taking block gave room undo holding spring pack spring pack held round head wrench head vice grips worked fine soaked flipped bottom spring nightmare waiting happen easy physically demanding thing easier decent trigger easy terribly difficult donno sore today working foot pipe cheater real torque spec bolt nuts kind torque spec challenge pack bolt back spring pack squeeze pack hands hold bolt fourth picking wrench vice grips sixth hands string pack holding alignment wrench vice grips back lined lift block challenge discovered axel tilted rolled forward drivers side bottle jack front differential tilted back line head drop hole passenger side wrestle wheel rolling forward inch things line spent hour working head hole lift block levers ropes impliments distruction break thought lined anymore lined move hmm axle longer constrained move hmm move back hmm easier close ride softer soft hoping sits level michael smith dream begin boldness genius power magic goethe responsible disclaimed 
worth price organization loral software productivity laboratory lines sounds ringer drove faster quote numbers autofile shows mile quotes driver figures numbers driver rated miles time checked automobile magazine rated mile aint quotiin funner dickens sounds race newer version lend wont hurt promise addition variable valve timing affects word drive word refuse test love problem income support 
dumbest automotive concepts organization community access unix internet project lines article jimf frost writes joes telxon staudt writes article jimf frost writes stuff deleted silly thing argument trunk releases tempted bound counterexample operate running easily trunk starting cars cars feature cars mazda honda coming probe cable operated releases camaro electric hatch release thankfully independent ignition exception rule mentioned sentence glovebox trunk releases encountered glovebox releases cable operated numerous ford mercury cars encountered electrical releases glovebox needed ignition degree operate camaro noted hardtop deal convertible cable operated trunk release agree environment cable active electrical release stupid frost jimf honda cable release locked ignition valet left unlock trunk enable cable release remember mothers corvette electronic hatch release located drivers door active fact real trunk makes security measure beign able able hatch release unnecessary 
drive left article pqtq innj organization colorado springs division lines nntp posting host fajita left hand steering wheel placement standard driving standard standards interestingly chrysler begun building hand drive cars export japan 
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infiniti organization stanford university lines article carl hoffman portal writes special deal infinity fully loaded dealer cost check numbers match releasing update version includes dual bags dealer cost dealer cost invoice factory dealer incentives check trouble believing dealer sell cost dealer invoice necessarily dealer cost teddy 
order delay nntp posting host alaska organization intel corporation lines article monsanto writes read article chicago tribune stating chrysler problems addressing demand engine cars post long waiting ordered long told wait john mail address monsanto ordered intrepid called couple weeks told weeks time call charles johnson intel corporation supercomputer systems division greenbrier pkwy beaverton phone email intel 
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inflation prices organization stanford university distribution lines figures pointers references fast prices decade 
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change organization university waterloo lines friend brought subaru recently drove couples times great snow local subaru dealer change bill dollars dealer told change filter disassemble metal cover engine hour labour ripped phone dealer toronto found charging roughly price owner problem change story true engineer subaru pretty stubid great 
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integra article cactus organization capital area central texas unix society austin lines article lehigh demosthenis zeppos writes article jonc wisdom bubble cochran writes beretta kick butt anyday cheaper boot comparing apples oranges mustang ways things appeal buyers acura owner dead chevy dealership vice versa stuff deleted weather xgtv mention integra rides alot integra season tires bigger wheels integra small inch tires acceleartion times vary magazine magazine road track driver road track figures bogus based prototype supplied acura figures plausible quarter mile times vary sounds reasonable faster regular integras beretta handle integra acceleration beretta higher speed horsepower advantage torque integra beretta exact numbers drive torqye high gearing gearing horrible driving speed modern essentially regualr integra equals regular integras buzzy speed make difference call torque moster save dollars beretta quad reliable engine make sense integra person knew bought back lemon piecve junk quick quad reliable yeah definition reliable reliable safe integra engines general perfect owner engine throw miles rare screw honda flawed cars performance enthusiasts purchase craig 
mgbs real world article cactus organization capital area central texas unix society austin lines article mike mike brookbank writes sister year produced good shape bugging years selling sell worthless maintains increasing result limited availability grass roots motorsport long article month collectivity speculation concerned waste time rubber bumpered models desirable original model reasons easy availability fact good craig affectionados market mike brookbank king north mike director interopen sales waterloo ontario mortice kern systems canada 
passat reply neumann organization canada remote systems distribution lines kojo kojo yeboah writes passats recommend super unleaded regular unleaded gasoline regular unleaded friend mine jetta super unleaded thinks advantages super unleaded cars overplayed guess companies sell make profit ralph nader report consumer advocates past spoken companies passat designed premium gasoline engine electronics retard timing harm engine lower octane fuel power fuel mileage weather engine premium neumann deluxe sell volkswagens canada remote systems toronto ontario 
toyota wagons organization stanford university lines article russ inel russ brown writes article john daker writes noticed toyota uncanny knack designing horrible ugly station wagons tercels corollas camrys designers aesthetic sense camry wagon uglier tercel toyota cornered market ugly station wagons camry sedan thought toyota finally turn nice camry station wagon bears strong resemblance hearse weird teddy 
photo radar autos frequently asked questions keywords monthly posting organization university colorado boulder lines photo radar mailed tickets make sense speeding moving violation committed operator owner owner rental agency dealer private party government agency long owner reason expect operator driving illegally unsafely owner held responsible operator driven owner knowledge consent mailed ticket driver identified stand court lazy cynical boneheaded fascist extort revenue public safety photo radar units major cities dunn 
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safety organization cdac distribution lines article simnet boeing mark poulson writes ssave cdac devil reincarnate writes surprised number people forget glasses driving people plain eyes checked year lousy vision objects distance glasses fuzzy able make details argue safety roads gladly sacrifice distractions call trouble danger earlier saved life justifies lifetime distractions dawn dusk eyes adjusted poor light drive black grey cars case driving lane road overtaking cars coming opposite direction lights vice versa small reaction time macho invincible react faster poor normal life worked reaction time previous post plenty year grandma long speeds range driver faster careful responsible driving actions pull pass crash reason fault problem kill agree fault license revoked chamber fact remains dead died stingy lights damn thing driving lights fail fallen trees rocks lights maintain headlight strength ratio probability fallen trees rocks roads oncoming traffic considered difference working happen happen running lights motorists drive good idea force running headlights turn windshield wipers people stupid crash idiots fight court show neglegence prove curiosity milage loose lights reduce life head lamps cost headlamps mileage reduced small amount watts head running lights extra horsepower made engine cost gallons year times million cars compared number gallons consumed million cars miniscule pity share roads person concerned safety ssave cdac lamp life measured hours drive half daylight half night lamps replaced headlamps cost halogen lamps cost individual trivial issue distractions cars headlights constantly headlights vehicle headlights gosh darn mile road cars make illuminated things visible pedistrians bikes mandate people bikes stream taillights tolerable orange front running lights sufficient people doesn distract full power headlights mark 
quick question keywords removing panels organization cdac lines driver side door panel inside honda prelude speaker scratchy access pins press button rest snug ssave cdac 
clothing male female mystery dumbest automotive lines article king caltech king writes thinking biological reason women keys pants pockets pockets back pants keys wallent pockets botton close securely simpler women biological room bigger bottom keys wallet raised parents pulleeze biology clothing design women clothing generally designed functional years women pants pockets deep carry previously deep pockets virtually unknown women clothing skirts generally pockets dresses espcially fancy dresses pretty hopeless hand driver license husband dressed encumbered purse women consistently bought functional clothing boycotted manufacturers refuse make functional women clothing manufacturers tend market pressures interesting chapter susan faludi backlash happened time clothing manufacturers functional women clothing manufactuing industry lost millions woman clothing decent pockets long legs high waists women clothing lmann uucp internet laurie mann genie claiming education leads irresponsible claiming driver education leads accidents 
dodge stealth questions keywords questions organization chevron lines article boyle craig boyle writes article hhtra chevron haddock writes found mopar spec sheet weekend model stealth stealth stealth stealth word giving chance retract figures widely mustang rated advantage mustang mustang rated ford changed testing procedures older procedures rates closer means mustang posted weight figures mustang threat civic acording yeah dreams stealth check issue strange claim ahead check asshole realize idiot checking data beforeposting drive stealth automatic posts harping issue driver posting numbers prove guts admit yeah thought sentra alot quicker sports close sentra numbers report play game sentra slow test drive hyundai excel blows doors race kick butt blah blah blah sounds beavis butthead automatic costs capable plainly dusted dunno pick dodge stealth nissan sentra takes travis 
article daedalus zowie organization stanford center space science astrophysics lines nntp posting host daedalus stanford reply brad thone message article brad thone writes difference happen manual handy viscosity general decreases temperature numbers based typical curve oils running viscosity room temperature weight room temperature weight typical weight oils designed operation normal temperatures weight specification oils designed operation exceedingly cold temperatures tacked winter cold place stick winter summer approximate viscosity year modern multi viscosity oils change viscosity temperature result viscosity graphs cross curves multi specification pegs curve temperatures normal operating temperature cold remember numbers event weights significant difference remember engine temperature regulated thermostat radiator fins time overheat weight carbonized thin general lubricate temperature thicker lubricate temperature startup engine wear occurs planning making long drives fine summer making short drives stick drink soap dilute dilute 
dodge stealth questions keywords questions article cactus organization capital area central texas unix society austin lines article hhtra chevron haddock writes article boyle craig boyle writes article hhtra chevron haddock writes found mopar spec sheet weekend model stealth stealth stealth stealth word arethe numbers stating past messages angers insisted clue weighed check told figures implausible giving chance retract figures widely mustang rated advantage mustang mustang rated ford changed testing procedures older procedures rates closer means mustang hear explanatin conclusion data threat civic acording yeah dreams wrong quoted interestingly stealth faster samerun seconds kind embarassing check figures posting makes stupid caught figures stealth check issue strange claim checked ahead check asshole realize idiot checking data beforeposting drive stealth automatic posts harping issue driver posting numbers prove guts admit yeah thought insist gave chance retract dodge stealth auto find realize sentra sentra saturn kind strange sports easily beaten mustang weights numbers power quicker care explain abusive rational explanation mystery sentra alot quicker sports close sentra numbers report play game sentra slow test drive hyundai excel blows doors guess drove speed shift craig 
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bang organization purdue university engineering computer network distribution lines article tobias navy steve tobias writes autos cpkjp latech kevin parker writes feedback bang buck price range civility driven long trips feel acceleration handling important reliability pretty maintenance costs stylish appearance nice show imports fast turbo cared song sung clyinder prefer engine suggestions kevin parker fits spelled liter mustang cvility long trips reliability maintenance cost 
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saturn pricing policy organization york state institute sebastian cabot studies lines article brown chung tsang writes saturn reduce dealer profit margin cars deals price saturn market average class cars reduce dealer profit market average attract people saturns save money force competitors lower prices survive saturn motivation selling make multiple shifts plant motivation lower prices cheers richard richard welty welty balltown good reported full rotation race pitch roll axis carroll smith 
saturn argument article wuecl organization washington university louis lines nntp posting host article rjwade purdue robert wade writes argue lower base price cheaper forget exact amount doesn cost extra doors windows locks motors door marketing deal people door extra understand meant compete cars honda civic toyota tercel toyota corolla nissan sentra mazda protoge subaru loyale impreza isuzu stylus prizm ford escort mercury tracer mistubishi mirage plymouth dodge colt core competition civic corolla sentra models class cars threw escort tracer good amount japanese technology similar reliability stats include domestic small cars cavalier sunbird shadow sundance tempo topaz saturn cars degree japanese roots meant compete cars toyota paseo honda civic civic coupes nissan mazda isuzu impulse storm ford escort prices cars expensive door counterparts good reason upscale trend driven market models based sedan platforms interior good warrant slightly higher prices platform derivations tercel paseo sentra civic stylus impulse storm illustrate tercel starts paseo starts door tercel cost door paseo tercel offer power doors offer tercel comparable powerplant sport coupe derivative isuzu stylus impulse storm powerplants engine smaller coupes generally expensive door sport coupe market fashion oriented trend setting segment people money type short smaller market orientation dictates slightly higher price mechanically equivalent sedan version hope clears things mihir shah 
pology drive left cwru andrew spencer reply cwru andrew spencer organization case western reserve university cleveland nntp posting host cwru lines previous article daniel holbrook guessing twenties drove cattle trails wagon ruts fairly placement steering wheel pretty arbitrary company time active good roads movement origins bicycle craze picked steam teens witness linclon highway association highway support real pledged federal states counties build decent roads experience widespread trucks domestic transport convinced government good raods crucial national defense plenty good roads urban areas rapidly expanding countryside auto touring motel auto camp ground good books subject spring mind warren belasco america road title exact author called devil wagon country author forget john flink john bell auto histories heard guess important classroom pics movies real nice scource recall thinking good roads asphalt interstate hiway called wood cobblestone roads fairly rare depression overpopulated places england cities netwisdom wrong placement steering wheel arbitrary early teens virtually american cars wheel left early days cars wheel left middle tiller wheel standardized fairly early knew knew reason desoto deviations norm times carnegie mellon university applied history world history strides catastrophe catastrophe comprehend prove oswald spengler correcting aplogize harebraned post drew 
bang article news distribution organization university illinois urbana lines virginia jeffrey hoffmeister writes article damelio stephen amelio writes rjwade purdue robert wade writes fits spelled liter mustang sports butm mothers considered sports figure plastic make sports jeff talking insurance agents bumf illinois farm bloomington hell cars sports cars chintan amin university illinois urbana champaign mail llama human goodness moral called insane peart cinderella 
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dumbest automotive concepts time organization university windsor ontario canada lines seningen ross mike seningen speedos electronic digital dash cougars large analog clock middle dash digital stinking clock funny thing digital dash bird speedo limit pressed button convert kilometers read point stock anemic short breath equivalent hehe coulda confused thing toyed engine rolled stupid thing digits limited gotta agree analog clock digital dash girlfriend turbocoupe digital clock analog gauges radio figure usenet uoknor usenet administrator love keyless entry bird great times stop tires lock door engine running tire great feature bird pull leave ignition scared hell time happened kinda grew musta copy mark novakovic tonight sign heaven sight jesus loves blow tribute area supervisor bonneau infamous bonneau math demoted departed ministry 
trains radar organization bull information systems lines hhtra chevron haddock writes train parked trestle locomotive sitting directly northbound lanes passed underneath trestle radar detector full alert lights chirps beeps buzzes strong caused train radio recently manufactured locomotives wheel slip detection systems frequencies shared police radar forget band radar detector close range pretty short railroad police radar check speeding trains regular police check speeding cars intent safety revenue collection unlike cars 
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changing organization distribution keywords lines article sheinfel comm aviad sheinfeld writes electric drill change suitable turn succeed tighten tight safe leak tighten bolt torque service manual leak strip break advance winson aviad avoid problems installing drain valve place bolt cars leaks miles combined miles cars deblock number letter bell labs somerset 
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trains radar nntp posting host organization evans sutherland computer corp salt lake city lines article john armond writes hhtra chevron haddock writes taking extended easter vacation north centerville dallas train parked trestle locomotive sitting directly northbound lanes appeared movement curiosity slowed passed underneath trestle radar detector full alert lights chirps beeps buzzes strong thought nailed good police materialized locomotives doppler speedometers radar head mounted ground minimize intereference received tangentally wheel power units typically trigger radar detectors unusual situation arises john john armond interested high performance mobility performance engineering magazine interested high tech computers marietta send snail mail address perform free sample usenet public access atlanta write info dixie makes sense radar pointed train pass head triggers radar detector passed front engine reflections approaching instant side engine detector receives fairly strong signal short time train 
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open letter nissan organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply john daker nntp posting host previous article smorris seattleu steven morris suggestion ahead rest fuji heavy industries subaru line legacy wagon legacy minute nissan engine horizontal sentimentally attached find wrong flat subaru flat matter darkman significant problems face solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion 
fter market cruise controls specific questions mikew mike wieda organization nntp posting host lines howdy newsgroup knowledge expertise subject market cruise controls background recently broke ankle road bicycling accident places screws weeks returning texas home school provo utah imagine drive miles broken ankle epitome good time cruise control pedalling messed ankle question general opinion market cruise control units realize cheap cruise control boys good factory professionally installed unit thing uderstand expect accuracy sort thing gotta drive hosed ankle jeep cherokee speed standard engine kettering ignition distributor rotor electronic guessed give information completly found unit bucks vehicles vacuum system electric servor motor good vacuum hose speed sensors magnetic signal negative side distributor kinda tach pick understand manual read store today magnetic axle accurate harder install difference sensor brake pedal sensor clutch pedal paying real close attention push clutch cruise speed wind engine kinda high wits turned thing pretty coordinated bother girlfriends bother installation calls attachment steady brake signal switched brake signal switched brake signal correct side brake light blade fuse steady brake signal matter ideas manufaturer figure things hook negative side tach type sensing gizmo cabin control unit ground miscellaneous business worth money safety risk device good market professionally installed signifacantly worth cabbage unit manufacturer model number sufficient simple thing installed properly specifically questions father built veep volkswagen powered jeep high school fairly good tools electronics cars installation scare thing installed correctly cherokee complicated veep time reading post expertise opinion subject share wisdom email group check mail time mike wieda mikew 
drive left organization carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines distribution world nntp posting host andrew reply reilly whips tempers initially cars built driver controls people drove buggies earliest cars steering controls center vehicle discernible pattern left hand steering controls years century america left hand wheels pattern mule team horses imagine explanation merit carnegie mellon university applied history coffee plunges stomach mind aroused ideas pour battalions grand army field battle memories charge full gallop light cavalry comparisons deploys magnificently artillery logic hurry train ammunition flashes sharp shooters honore balzac cups 
license plates nissan organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply john daker nntp posting host previous article wvnet interested list license plate numbers listing copy incredibly bored considered reading phone book darkman significant problems face solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion 
isuzu amigo opinions sought organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply john daker nntp posting host previous article sdexter scott dexter amigo feedback feedback appreciated jeep wannabe designed yuppies road outdoorsey darkman significant problems face solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion 
license plates organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply john daker nntp posting host previous article wvnet interested list license plate numbers listing copy incredibly bored considered reading phone book darkman significant problems face solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion 
truck tailgates mileage nntp posting host ucalgary organization university calgary alberta lines article lehigh writes article koziarz nosc walter koziarz writes article chrisw chris wiles ites consumers report study found trucks worse mileage tailgate tailgates newer trucks replacing front bumper grille closet door helps mileage cooling bigger fools working fools drivel argue pickup driver years forget tailgate hiway trips nets designed capable restraining load town tailgate negligable effect mileage walt improve mileage cases tailgate flow structure differ vortex drag reduced high speed driving toneau covers thinking building chipboard roadtrips comment affect mileage highway travel charles span weeks heard elements separate threads conjoined time struck form chord hollow echoing gourd unknown person 
chevy sprint organization doctoral student industrial administration carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew chevy sprint doors odometer turned sensor light started blinking dealer maintenance light change oxygen sensor changed bought thing happened quoted part install part cost mechanic sensor deep engine parts suggested wait till malfunctions owns chevy sprint oxygen sensors changed face problem fixing dealer results oxygen sensor malfunction greatly apprecisted nagesh 
corvettes insurance reply peon email eric youngblood nntp posting host crchh organization lines article lehigh scott warren rosander writes article gdhg uiuc george writes years school finally graduating real make plans spend extra money accord good real sporty thinking selling years dropping sports kind thinking idea accord drops wanted corvette stingray reasoning accord corvette spend basically thinking late early question good years reliability horsepower order horsepower main concern fast motorcycle good prices insurance male single wait lower insurance fact drive lower type classic rarely driven insurance class driving miles year vette classic insurance basically means restricted amount driving time basically means suit limited mileage addition restricted mileage classic insurance carriers require vehicle garaged ericy eric youngblood bell northern research richardson texas peon email privs 
changing keywords nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university distribution lines article ronald deblock writes avoid problems installing drain valve place bolt cars leaks miles combined miles cars problem draining parking reach underneath turn valve forget trip home likelyhood wrench personally recommend installing special locking drain plug vandals steve 
dumbest automotive concepts time lines nntp posting host techops cray organization cray research article bhtulin amherst barak tulin writes started reading thread today forgive mentioned deal renault putting horn left hand turn signal stalk button washer button wiper washer stalk frenchies figure wiring steering wheel start calling engineering folks france bunch braindeads mercury capri lovely feature earlier german variant newer identical mustang current fame times feature pissed brothers zepher robert dilmore dilmore back earlier thread imagine turn left shift gears flash stray driver intersection left hand high beam headlight stalk driver move honk horn left hand stalk heebie jeebies barak 
trains busses radar nntp posting host bronco fnal organization fermilab computing division lines article mliggett indiana matthew liggett writes hhtra chevron haddock writes taking extended easter vacation north centerville dallas train parked trestle locomotive sitting directly northbound lanes appeared movement curiosity slowed passed underneath trestle radar detector full alert lights chirps beeps buzzes strong thought nailed good police materialized caused train radio trains sign back greyhound warns radar detector explain radar detector desk rick colombo fermi fermilab feynman computer center batavia colombo fnal speak fermilab congress president 
sprayed bedliner info wanted reply mcostell navy malcolm costello distribution organization carderock division nswc bethesda lines autos dennis dennis schloeman writes xsorry repost xthe information earlier post xdeleted system information sprayed bedliners pickup trucks company polyurethene xbut months track record sprayed bedliner good xwell hold years xinfo appreciated xthanks xdennis ziebart dealer area offered spray liners years kind warranty give list references mack costello code david taylor model basin carderock division nswc bethesda phone 
buying story christ dealer service scam nntp posting host reply rapw organization distribution lines article tvervaek vervaeke writes experience jeep service dept service incident similar experience recently bought truck picked vehicle wanted haggling agreed price wrote check payment license told back evening pick truck returned wait hour finance finally smoothly started adding numbers discovered miscalculated license needed agreed price problem giving money finance brought manager duty proceeded give hard time reminded customer treated back forget deal made smart remark told stick snatched back check left needless pleased turn events early morning call general sales manager wanting happened related story apologised profusely asked change mind told gave truck free dealers town repeat customer learn treat customers pretty steamed affair gave line hating lose customer find solution told bother couple hours owner dealership called apologetic cover knock price truck told gave private direct phone number secretary assured valued customer thought hours discussed wife decided hell pretty decent deal called back accepted offer back pick truck received royal treatment incident smoothly truck mins guess satisfied customer happened place shocked sales person talk expect grovel expect hard time mistake happy truck turned couple hundred dollars invoice paid year license back dealer mark 
changing reply mcostell navy malcolm costello distribution organization carderock division nswc bethesda lines autos boyle craig boyle writes article yiklam chong writes bolt engine compartment turn clockwise counter kind lubricants failed electric drill change suitable turn succeed tighten tight safe leak xassuming russian opposite threads xyou turn counterclockwise professional xhelp located draing plug xactually loosen xcraig advance winson reminds time cousin change crawled removed bolt drained fluid replaced bolt carefully poured quarts bother check stick drove till found drained speed trans dumped extra quarts engine moral craig ashamed person time mack costello code david taylor model basin carderock division nswc bethesda phone 
changing keywords nntp posting host organization evans sutherland computer corp salt lake city distribution lines article sorlin ohio state steven orlin writes article ronald deblock writes avoid problems installing drain valve place bolt cars leaks miles combined miles cars problem draining parking reach underneath turn valve forget trip home likelyhood wrench personally recommend installing special locking drain plug vandals steve worried stealing finally decided drain plug welded shut works great figure quarts light month good wives tale changing filter miles works 
changing keywords nntp posting host kinglear colorado organization university colorado boulder distribution lines article sorlin ohio state steven orlin writes article ronald deblock writes avoid problems installing drain valve place bolt cars leaks miles combined miles cars problem draining parking reach underneath turn valve forget trip home cars drain petcocks radiators heard vandal opening imagine lower risk plug crawl furthur open vandals real traditional methods things dirty keying dumping sand sugar mothballs tank tping boycott novell absurd anti bsdi lawsuit drew eckhardt condemn colorado amendment drew colorado linux fast flexible free unix 
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license plates organization hewlett packard company lines distribution nntp posting host klui corp article wvnet writes interested list license plate numbers listing copy listing copy perusal california listing personalized license plates volumes thick hope kenneth klui hanover street corporate administrative information systems palo alto core application technologies 
changing rist dealer service scam organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply john daker nntp posting host previous article bmoss brent woody moss worried stealing finally decided drain plug welded shut works great figure quarts light month good wives tale changing filter miles works thing drain plug reasons wondering filled crankcase welded hood shut fear steal filter darkman significant problems face solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion 
autos reader keywords monthly posting reply welty organization york state institute sebastian cabot studies expires lines archive autos part recent march addition autos karting autos article automatically month general description purpose automotive newsgroups suggested guidelines discussions keywords monthly posting make killing article easy users newsreaders kill facilities article posted autos groups followups directed autos understand means system administrator copies newuser documentation failing subscribe newsgroup news announce newusers read documentation provided introduction autos newsgroup hierarchy autos tech intended technical discussions automobiles design construction diagnosis service discussions largely inappropriate sale autos sport intended discussion legal organized competition involving automobiles technical discussions apply competition vehicles discussion viewpoints spectator participant encouraged arguments sports cars largely inappropriate discussions sale inappropriate competition vehicles equipment discussions illegal events marginal avoid advocating breaking remember reads usenet autos driving intended discussions related driving automobiles discuss radar detectors boneheads autos intended discussion issues related ownership automobiles manufactured volkswagen includes audis seats created grounds info mailing list successful presumed existence group create groups cover marques groups specific individual marques created demonstration sufficient interest avenue mailing list audio properly part autos hierarchy correct place discussion automotive audio equipment mentioned autos antique intended discussion older cars years hard fast rule hotrod part hierarchy potential interest autos reader gatewayed moderated hotrod mailing list discussion modifying developing performance vehicles autos custom part official hierarchy devoted peculiar american hobby customizing older cars autos karting discussion popular motorsport hobby karting autos intended capture discussion automotive topics crossposting crossposting occurs newsgroup included newsgroups line article header articles newsgroups listed crossposting misunderstood misused facilities usenet post group feel article crosspost reach audience distinction subtle important radar detector articles autos electronics radio fact reach audience electronics radio adequate justification posting group crossposting autos groups inappropriate find advisable sending article setting followup point newsgroup feel crosspost crossposting autos misc consumers chancy flame wars speed limit radar detectors crossposted groups readers electronics radio care police radar radar detector arguments endlessly autos excellent idea check newsgroups followup lines articles posting followup wary posting misc test arts startrek talk bizarre combination life save distribution field header news article partially control article called distribution field reasons serve reminder news large widespread system distribution autos fairly extensive writing automotive newsgroups reach europe australia zealand locations japan mind offer hints distribution field article headers article content care send sale clapped ford mavericks jersey france california doubt place care girlfriend strange reason likes mavericks door mavericks posting technical questions include market manufactured number differences european market ford escort market escort likewise early alfa romeos reached spica fuel injection european market cars carbs webers differences important readers make situation clear failure lead pointless flame wars significant spread misinformation careful capacities specifications posting metric english system values europe metric system future edition monthly posting list commonly abbreviations places autos reaches cuts ways parochial distribution field limit article north america values north america canada addition letter state abbreviations supported cases wanted send article york jersey distribution field note multiple comma separated values legal distribution fields vary widely check local sysadmin find supported area dangers overgeneralization amplify warning distribution section article wary making foolish assumptions cars tires true buick engine utterly wrong honda engine headlight laws sweden decidedly idaho adequate specification question give reasonable amount information question honda year model engine size answers question useless lemons time auto manufacturer manufactured lemon honda admits waste time announcing world brand automobile terrible brand automobiles terrible brand company articles worse useless substantial wasted bandwidth carrying information flames flame free newsgroup occur guidelines flames deal list flame prone topics section posting post obnoxious inflammatory imagine minute including words flames work deserve flame cite fact reference bald unsupported assertions careful choose insult insulting question idea post question phrase send email read group idea question send email sufficient interest summarize results posting miss posted responses request answering question yugo mustang silent give advice advice defending speeding ticket obey time offensive presumes guilt proven directly address original question general post order words print post order enjoy feeling smug righteous stale inflammatory topics topics considered stale timers discussion factual information ravings extremely tiresome person posts altogether topics naturally inflammatory difficult impossible meaningful discussion topics include speed limit discussions morality legality sale usage radar detectors discussions radar detector discussions sports reason autos sport sports group argue constitutes sports disputes federal protects driver operate radar detector american discussions clever bumper stickers personalized license plates cars terrible kind maxwell smart drive complete accurate answer added commonly asked questions article posted monthly waste bandwidth topic direct comments suggestions article welty balltown richard welty welty balltown good reported full rotation race pitch roll axis carroll smith 
autos frequently asked consumer automotive questions keywords monthly posting reply welty organization york state institute sebastian cabot studies expires lines archive autos part article pair articles commonly asked automotive questions article questions geared automotive enthusiast crossposted misc consumers april revised brake fluid section silicone fluids apparently commonly asked automotive questions tire questions funny numbers sides tires typically width tire millimeters tread narrower aspect ratio height sidewall tire relative width tire sidewall height wheel diameter inches special tires called tires digit metric wheel diameter designations millimeters means radial speed rating indicating highest speed tire properly inflated carrying load safely operate common speed ratings recent method tire sizes move speed rating part designation find designations tire load speed rating exceeding load continuous operation rated speed dangerous practice table showing number load indices maximum tire loads load index load note usual mass weight confusion occurs table cases letters found front tire size designation light truck designation passenger letter application tire passenger usage letters market designation prinicipally interest owners light trucks utility vehicles owner passenger vehicle meaningful difference tire designation designation aspect ratio omitted tires snow designation speed rating reduced additional ratings tires temperature traction treadwear temperature traction graded worst treadwear numeric rating values limited assigned arbitrarily tire manufacturers comparing brands tires tires funny size designation normal tires tires called tires devised michelin bead design incompatible normal tires michelin diameter wheel mounted wrong type wheel conventional tires mounted type wheels aquire wheels normal tire barely normal tires wheels horribly dangerous tires simply peel rims corner possibly blow high speed type tires hard find addition michelin avon makes suitable tires goodyear apparently discontinued line tires rotate radials side side rotate side tire manufacturers differing views subject swapping radials left hand sides group includes michelin goodyear pirelli nokia void warranties swapping advice read tire manual carefully rotating tires stick manufacturer recommendations snow tires short ends explain drivers areas excessive snow drive agressively snow conditions snows drive wheels circumstances dangerous practice rear wheel drive choose able start function rear axle stopping turning function front axle front wheel drive start stop turn front primary risk putting snow tires front brakes downhill risk downhill backwards radar detectors speed limits comments radar detectors speed limits posting questions detectors speed limits crossposted misc consumers autos start long tedious pointless flame wars talk topics subscribe autos flame safety equipment airbags work preliminary statistics suggest airbags work belts good point belts work airbags airbags point belts work slightly point belts airbags designs tend burn driver hands venting byproducts explosion occurs inside designs knock driver hands wheel making retention control vehicle deflates difficult brake questions rotors disk brakes turned midas specific conditions mandate turning replacing rotors shops make extra money replacing rotors strictly rotors warped warped lightly grooved replace turn note rotors rotors hondas good narrow begin practical turn replaced thin warped badly grooved downshift braking slow good idea good idea back days mediocre fade prone drum brakes modern disc brake equipped cars downshifting slow cases long steep downhill runs modern disc brakes adequate stop passenger circumstances cheaper repair clutch linings hand standard driver license tests driver tested downshift braking suggest taking driver test learn smoothly takes time practice borrow automatic test replace brake fluid traditional brake fluids tend absorb water water corrode internal parts brake system lower boiling point fluid type older fluids newer specifications principal differences boiling points boiling point important fresh brake fluid boiling point important older brake fluid fluids lowest boiling point requirements fluids boiling point requirements fluids boiling point requirements fluids superior details requirements imply fluids fluids specific cases fluid preferable competition applications type fluids offer improved brake pedal feel replacement year recommended fluids agressive drivers profit changing fluid frequently bleeding modest amount fluid brake calipers fairly regularly brake fluids breaks parts specification excellent performance fluids silicone based silicone fluids tricky proposition unlike fluids absorb water sound feature problem water present pools systems interfering braking performance corroding metals spot pooling occuring water tend migrate braking system brake calipers corrosion occurs phenomenon essential converting silicone empty entire brake system flush throughly recommend replacing rubber parts brake system converting silicone fluids issues silicone fluids difficult pour cleanly bubbles interferes good brake pedal feel generally higher boiling points fluids high temperature failure modes indistinguishable effect boiling fluids silicone fluids make sense street applications recommended high performance driving applications economics questionable street recently aware fluids meet standard silicones fluids compatible older fluids information time cars costs worth dried answer answer long order cover pros cons short answer costs initially maintain generally work average driver driver extensive experience high performance driving techniques require unlearning obsolete braking techniques pump braking unlearned case long answer works monitering wheels signs locked brakes able able distinguish wheels systems market detect impending lockup ideal world existence lockup sensors vary designed sensors sensitive tire size brake material cease function properly owner deviates original equipment equivalent components sensors detect lockup system responds unlocking brakes individually depending system driver foot firmly planted cycling locked unlocked states sensor existed detect impending lockup point maximum braking effect achieved pulsing felt brake pedal system cycles percentage time brakes engaged called duty cycle typically system pavement trained driver beat duty cycle reliably technique called threshold braking pavement braking chancy outperform threshold braking time snow maximum braking effect acheived brakes locked audi manufacturers producing equipped cars provide disable switch system eventuality important feature preserves steering control case simply braking limit turn wheel release brakes sees steering triggered lockup back percentage time brakes applied braking distances lengthen important caution exceed maximum theoretical braking force situation start sliding glare expect system coefficient friction changed presence system maintenence addition potential restrictions listed worry parts costs higher master cylinder obscure european sedan lists master cylinder equipped version lists manufacturers explicitly forbid silicone brake fluids equipped vehicles potential cost replacement corroded brake system components regular suggest annual replacement brake fluid important threshold braking business consumers recent publicity number accidents involving police drivers equipped chevy caprices suggests section needed threshold braking technique practiced high performance drivers made habit replaces stab pedal lock panic habit prefered basically premise tires generate maximum braking force started slide wheels lock drivers threshold brake learn feel threshold feels learn search application brake pedal cars feel threshold pedal starts firm depress case hear tires whine threshold twinge pedal system starts cycling driver backs pedal twinge felt close threshold achieve stopping distances punched recently rash publicity number accidents death involving police cars equipped systems police departments question quickly blamed systems autoweek magazine clear problem lack training involved officers recent performance driving training reason drivers reacted pulsing brake pedal pump braking discredited technique stabbing releasing brake pedal goal brakes back failing hydraulic system minute realize pump braking effective operation working brake system duty cycle system giving brakes wrong reason threshold braking advantage effective technique fear failed hydraulic system stabs pedal sufficient questions high octane gasoline cars knock sensors adjust engine timing turbocharger boost suit gasoline cars cheapest makes check owner manual details made leaded gasoline unleaded hurt unleaded slightly increase valve wear amoco company argues actual increase valve wear unnoticeable modern leaded gasolines lead check owner manual cars early require leaded gasoline fuel treatments kind winter good idea harmful fuel injection systems additive methanol called methyl alcohol additives damage fuel systems cars carbs damage cars fuel injection manufacturer opinions vary additives ethanol called ethyl alcohol fuel injection check owner manual manufacturers ethanol acceptable gasoline additives isopropyl alcohol isopropanol petroleum distillates fine fuel injected cars occasional bottle fuel injector cleaner helpful cars fuel injectors premium gasolines detergents brands fuel injector cleaners ethanol methanol check ingredients putting tank small number good additives noticeably expensive mill work chevron techron redline wurth lubrimoly ventil sauber bottle months highly recommended detergent gasolines quality detergent packages gasolines varies instituted testing program gasoline brands pass test advertise fact stickers indicating passage test beginning fuel pumps stations gasolines fuel injector cleaners optional beforewarned approved gasolines clean engine clean clean motor valve deposits lubrication questions numbers letters motor designation items encoded letter code indicating type detergent package manufacturer codes gasoline engine applications codes diesel engine applications letter assigned sequence levels protection developed considered considered noticeable designation weight single number weight pair numbers separated letter type commonly days type automobile manufacturers operators manuals number designation apparent viscosity cold stands winter number viscosity trick thicker turn weight weight hotter happening cold viscosity cold weight hotter thin fast time temperature viscosity weight note numbers ranges viscosities oils viscosity cold weight oils viscosity note behaviour multi grade oils caused additives reported sole exception castrol oils retain multi grade characteristics time oils work quick lube places good adequate work incompetent buyer beware watch work make overtorque drain plug hand wallet times additives slick tufoil good slick tufoil ptfe based additives market recently moly based additives early ptfe chemical teflon trademark owned dupont general auto manufacturers recommend products usenet responses questions additives favorable slight increase application smoother revving long term results ptfe additives effective miles debatable manufacturers saab claim product engine flush preceeds application deterioration seals eventual leakage owners reported death valve seals shortly addition slick cars writer cautioned slick dealer slick japanese motors clog return passages engine reports damage caused ptfe additives hand satified slick customers world synthetic oils work specifically auto manufactuers accept synthetics disagree extremely long change intervals claimed manufacturers auto manufacturers recommend continue change intervals recommended owners manual decide longer intervals change filter regular intervals synthetics dirty conventional oils synthetic gear lubricants manual transmissions matter amsoil redline agip highly regarded effective mobil synthetic gear lube mixed reviews manufacturers longer longer change intervals change depends drive warmed drive hard revs manufacturer recommendation fine drive hard drive high revs alternatively drive supermarket temperature change mile intervals manufacturers mile intervals drive miles year change months storing winter change storing change bring storage misc questions timing belt hear things happen break story depends internal design motor early ford escorts suffer severe valve damage belt breaks newer cars require installation belt honda motors damaged replacement interval change belt miles cars require frequent replacement dealer independent mechanic related repairs place time ford escorts suffer valve damage timing belt driven water pump seize destroying timing belt major valve damage side effect replacing timing belt ignoring water pump costly mistake stupid design motor destructs timing belt breaks performance reasons compromising piston design valves pistons collide requires compression ratio engine reduced significantly avoid valve damage economy cars performance oriented vehicles unintended acceleration final report national highway transportation safety administration concluded unintended acceleration caused mechanical failure vehicle question time consistent physical evidence nhtsa report conclude pedal misapplication vehicle operator richard welty welty balltown good reported full rotation race pitch roll axis carroll smith 
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autos frequently asked questions keywords monthly posting reply welty organization york state institute sebastian cabot studies expires lines archive autos part article pair articles commonly asked automotive questions article questions general consumer interest broken facilitate crossposting misc consumers change february permits radar detector usage tire traction commonly asked questions radar questions radar detectors illegal virgina district columbia prohibit usage radar detectors york prohibits large trucks canada illegal manitoba ontario quebec newfoundland prince edward island apparently illegal europe legislation make illegal pending jurisdictions chances legislation passing varies great deal radar detector detectors work usage spreading rapidly initially canada appearing york virginia unsafe assume connecticut work detecting frequency radiated super radar detectors brands detector radiate strongly spotted radar detectors detected current generation detector detectors note 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limit limit adhesion drivers drive hard terms descriptive situations encounter simply straight corner steer understeer turn corner oversteer understeer commonly designed production cars untrained drivers inadvertantly traveling fast trouble understeer induced throttle corner oversteer designed performance oriented cars induced lifting throttle trailing throttle oversteer extreme cases lifting throttle induce oversteer reacts fishtailing spinning technical details corner speed tires develop called slip angles slip angle angular difference direction traveling direction steering wheel directing travel understeer front wheels greater slip angle rear wheels oversteer rear wheels greater slip angle front wheels matched downshift downshifting engine rotating faster lower gear higher gear downshift declutch lift foot throttle revs drop increase matched downshift blip throttle engaging clutch engine speed results smoother faster downshift heel heel technique matched downshift braking challenging foot brake throttle called heel foot brake throttle match revs downshift modern cars misnomer ball foot brake side throttle note race drivers skip clutch left foot brake foot throttle accomplishing thing double clutch downshifting foot left foot things declutch declutch reason declutching match speeds shafts transmission speed engine coupled matching engine neutral clutch engaged throttle blipped shafts transmission speed procedure declutch move gearshift lever neutral engage clutch match revs declutch move gearshift lever lower gear engage clutch sounds work practice natural problem double clutching solves function synchronizers gearbox transmissions synchros worn synchros double clutching makes easier shift basically double clutch synchros generally unnecessary street cars synchros good condition numbers acceleration mile skidpad slalom times auto magazines compared short magazines detail acceleration numbers mile times vaguely compared long source testing procedures vary magazine magazine comparing road track number driver number pointless mind variation applies driver driver street driver major major part equation skidpads vary didn skidpad figures tests stickiness stock tires change radically tire compounds change make assumptions comparative handling sports sedans based skidpad numbers suggest skidpads skidpads excellent educational tool driving schools simply limited comparison tires slalom times slightly test small parts automobile transient response heavily influenced stock rubber test corners envelope making buying decision rear road suddenly camber adjustable suspension tests sport setting unsuitable daily driving list caveats page page buddy claims wide tires make difference freshman physics textbook accelerate corner talking short clue detail equations friction freshman physics textbooks presume surfaces smooth deformable properly apply tire traction case stone cold tire pavement proper operating temperature pavement smooth irregular greater lesser extent tires solid rubber substance natural form liquid coerced semblance solidity chemical magic deform match surface pavement vehicle traveling tire operating temperature grip generated shear stresses inside deformed rubber remotely resembling friction freshman physics sense term colder tire relative operating temperature closer behaviour traditional concept friction hotter proper operating temperature possibility part tire reverting liquid happen deep tread causing characteristic blisters chunking completely happen normal street driving competition driver high speed track driving worry tire traction completely domain simple friction obey freshman physics equation dragsters accelerate race cars corner brake simple friction apply sized contact patches generate differing amounts grip actual analysis tire behavior require techniques finite element analysis complexity mechanism misc questions stand list names commonly asked careful soliciting meanings names misinformation abounds 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dumbest automotive concepts time nntp posting host ucalgary organization university calgary alberta lines article jhart wichitaks hart writes article bwillard unca writes list dumbest automotive concepts dodge colt vista tachometer avail automatic trans back lights corvette sides interested year recall back lights sides corvette suppose interpreting quick comment backup lights mounted side extremely people backing parking stalls charles span weeks heard elements separate threads conjoined time struck form chord hollow echoing gourd unknown person 
warning read originator madman austin organization austin lines sided problem culture deteriorating time breeding life worse justice system extremely weak handle problems abiding citizens power protect property deadly force threat imminent camaro pride stolen driveway years back persons eventually caught lucky trashed occasion texas florida stopped small motel night small town florida youths disturbing setting alarm challenging tenant walked magnum automatic vanished needless immediately packed left watch jacking staged accidents deadly steve heracleous 
warning read organization centerline software lines nntp posting host erik velapoldi writes hell happening great country boyhood pranks peeing bridges pound rocks society stooped make sound behavior pedestrian bridges fencing curls sidewalk make kind harder understand mentality figure move glad bombed waco wackos newsgroup list trimmed significantly frost jimf 
changing keywords nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university distribution lines article drew colorado drew eckhardt writes cars drain petcocks radiators heard vandal opening imagine lower risk plug crawl furthur open vandals real traditional methods things dirty keying dumping sand sugar mothballs tank tping places stuff happen steve 
mazda parts whitney lines reply tulsi ingr organization intergraph number based chicago case call assistance prices earth source innards outers send free catalog neeraj 
dumbest automotive concepts time lines parr ucalgary charles parr writes list dumbest automotive concepts back lights corvette sides interested year recall back lights sides corvette suppose interpreting quick comment backup lights mounted side extremely people backing parking stalls corvettes side mounted backup lights saab started years saab friend saab addition confentional tail light mounted backup lights integrated front turn signal assembly remember saabs vintage enormous multicoloured plastic growth size national geographic magazine sticking front fender incorporated amber parking lights amber side marker lights reflectors white cornering lamps american luxury cars aimed side road turn indicators white backup lights aimed back selected reverse gear glossy brochure showed front mounted backup lights illuminating hazards holes toys front wheels turned backing mart molle computer systems research institute university toronto toronto canada 
aftermarket units originator ernie lines nntp posting host ferris cray organization cray research distribution article andrew brandt writes looked installed honda unit shipping installation hours hunk change place aftermarket installation honda unit party unit find party unit honda carolina prefer place nearby references handy andy brandt bartel comments question comment make aftermarket units frost king frost temp forget aftermarket unit cavalier unhappy noisy aftermarket installed vehicles trust quality performance experience bartel live forever installed ford garage work installed factory pickups identical mine talked people result probable ford ernie smith 
aftermarket units originator ernie lines nntp posting host ferris cray organization cray research distribution article andrew brandt writes looked installed honda unit shipping installation hours hunk change place aftermarket installation honda unit party unit find party unit honda carolina prefer place nearby references handy andy brandt bartel comments question comment make aftermarket units frost king frost temp forget aftermarket unit cavalier unhappy noisy aftermarket installed vehicles trust quality performance experience bartel live forever installed ford garage work installed factory pickups identical mine talked people result problem ford ernie smith 
jeep laredo experiences keywords jeep laredo nntp posting host bcars organization bell northern research ottawa canada lines buying jeep laredo wondering good experiences model feels sounds nice vehicle thought price steep canadian 
curious porsche drove organization rockwell international lines albion bowers writes previous article wade rockwell wade guthrie takaharu upenn taka mizutani writes article damelio stephen amelio wrote wrote consistent engine litre depending early power high revs starting slowly jumping narrow band litre smog equipment power distributed range bzzt wrong answer depends talking model year date manufacture instance mine manufactured august prior liter model years liter model years liter carerra liter years easily identified bumpers models year lietsr carerra liter carerras liter models liter single model cross carerra models note based model year date manufacture stand corrected memory mind happy behavior earlier cars prone liter cars compression engines suffered regard early liter liter engines good dose smog gear liter engines quickest revvers yeah wade guthrie program wade rockwell shave chain speaking rock 
warning read nntp posting host hydra convex organization convex computer corporation richardson disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines article erik velapoldi writes happened year washington beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided cool throw huge rocks cars overpass cars injuries sadly small sitting front seat struck head larger rocks recall made comatose month doctors holding hope live hell happening great country boyhood pranks peeing bridges pound rocks society stooped erik velapold society coming seams basic reason human life devalued point killing deal hundreds murderous acts abort children demand kill sick surprised kids drop rocks kill people care message hear life cheap 
braindead drivers ahead keywords drivers organization amoco distribution lines herschel mayo writes block passers good stupid realize rule philosophy feel offed stupidity worry idiot position cash chips mayo zdem amoco donna martz writes altruism world frustrated appointed traffic herschel mayo writes stick nose foot semi suppose neck kill bargain frustrated delaying inevitable death wise driving practices tough wrote stated block passer block passer good reason prevented traffic circumstance fail deterring passer circumstance decrease chances involved accident fatal fact imagine blocking passer increase chances offed involved accident passer riding bumper intentionally blocking person riding bumper wise driving practice congested mess trucks watch road ahead road perceive rapidly closing pack vehicles avoid caught situation decribe traffic building deal fact life wait slow passer complete pass make pack clear decides pull bumper signal intention move opportunity hope open feel courteous driving alot safer actions advocate courteous drivers road intentionally impede front oblivious fact blocking traffic blinker flash lights fails briefly speed slow message faster vehicle pass feel safe ride bumper intentionally blocking traffic feel civil duty philosophic duty unfathomable reason feel deserve derision soo long 
plant greer organization wake forest university lines nntp posting host wfunet reading message involved plant corporate connection desperately seeking info jeff hagen hagenjd 
warning read organization national institute standards technology lines article jimf frost writes erik velapoldi writes hell happening great country boyhood pranks peeing bridges pound rocks society stooped make sound behavior pedestrian bridges fencing curls sidewalk make kind harder understand mentality figure move glad bombed waco wackos group brought idea bombed waco cult curious newsgroup list trimmed significantly frost jimf larry keys ncsl nist fahrvergnugen forever fact explain understand 
dumbest automotive concepts time article news organization university illinois urbana lines parr ucalgary charles parr writes article jhart wichitaks hart writes article bwillard unca writes list dumbest automotive concepts dodge colt vista tachometer avail automatic trans back lights corvette sides interested year recall back lights sides corvette suppose interpreting quick comment backup lights mounted side extremely people backing parking stalls charles span weeks heard elements separate threads conjoined time struck form chord hollow echoing gourd unknown person original intent reverse lights driver backing reverse lights sides telling cars backing perpendicular path warnings original intents colored white chintan amin mail llama neil peart quick judge quick anger slow understand ignorance prejudice fear walk hand hand 
lois chevrolet summary louis chevrolet nntp posting host reply nuet organization paging wireless data group lines subject chevrolet motor brother gaston raced indy winner arthur chevrolet early teens assume related keith nuetzman nuet motorola paging wireless data group boynton beach indy 
thinking buying intrepid good idea organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host hela cwru bought intrepid months happy lots room inside smaller engine power problem found small selection dealer lots sellers 
changing keywords oily organization merritt island florida distribution lines chunks sump solution simple sort advice aunt gave scratch elbow pieces ring rods valve heads stems reach sump hole block creation large bits pieces remove hand hole block safely left place 
waxing organization utexas mail news gateway lines reply tquinn bradley nntp posting host utexas delivery firebird clearcoat finish assume urethane industry moved direction paints years past recommended owners wait days paint cure dealer shop manager basing past tradition recommended practice ahead abrasive newer finishes terry quinn germantown hills tquinn bradley compuserve internet tquinn bradley 
tercel sunroof leaks arrggh organization massachusetts institute technology lines distribution world nntp posting host simple tooput sunroofs misery leaks tend gaskets inadequate mechanical seals halt rain henry bruno office machine home machine 
plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences organization university virginia distribution lines lemons personal experience brother trouble free single repair regular maintainance work result stupidity stopped suddenly middle left turn busy intersection rear ended plymouth sundance recomend wait months chryco coming called neon built good luck desiscion 
clear coat woes summary remove fine scratches clear coat keywords clear coat paint organization university denver dept math comp lines clear coat worth showroom floor cars deep lustrous shine found paint jobs clear coated hand clear coated road parking fine scratches paint alas laser weeks professionally polished waxed picked showroom shine remember year bought days dealership work added bonus washed washed roof black rest completely clean dried dirty towel showroom shine haze fine scratches visible light hits roof angle mildy peeved chance dealership guess product market solution problem faced prospect professionally polished hide scratches information commiseration sympathy greatly appreciated scott dealership wash borders sborders borders scott 
chryslers compact sedans nntp posting host opal organization motorola cellular infrastructure group distribution lines clas virginia matthew thigpen writes cwru writes previous article mcqs buffalo adam gandler heard chrysler planning design process designing compact sedan line based platform thought full sized sedans priced competitively reason give imports saturns challenge goody saturns sold cryco dealers hole insist remarks growing tired drew kill file newsreader spencer kill file articles sift 
opinions organization lehigh university lines budget sports specific models danny programmers danny phornprapha bugs endangered earth lucc student konsultant species needing protection work 
clutchless shifting organization northwest nexus lines schludermann writes wondering clutchless shifter miles current toyota truck heard people talk damage transmission experiences suggest techniques yeah clutch time fords datsun chevy works fine reason damage tranny essentially synchros match engine speed tranny speed slip gear pieces junk drove transmission worn pumping clutch shift clutchless date driven rabbits datsuns comets fords chevy harder shift generally higher milage smoother quicker easier shift technique ease back throttle time gently wrist back shift lever reason miss shift window lightly press accelerator agian found clutchless shifting eaiser quicker high rpms skip gears times sounds slip throttle blip throttle wait feels things slip gear krispy dealing gross jong 
acura integra speed organization hewlett packard santa clara lines acura integra speed miles positively worst owned prelude miles sold strong religious attention maintenance cars driven manner clutches underrated sets tires eats tires front careful align struts started leaking miles windshield wiper motor burned service note seek stop working radio miles timing belts constant error signals computer finally bearing piston damaging crankshaft contaminating engine overhaul week required crankshaft shaft camshaft shattered mill camshaft weeks national back order engine unique year design parts expensive acura highly overrated 
bang organization lehigh university lines article lehigh obert william fusi writes article david bonds bonds writes autos cpkjp latech kevin parker writes feedback bang buck price range civility driven long trips taurus found ultimate door sports cars performance similar mustang civil comfortable late model shifter cutting edge cutting pcboard system houston texas running uupcb mustang pleasant diamond star cars talon eclipse laser turbo models turbo models cars handling match muscle civil regular driving conditions harsh stiff ride turbo choice torque steer front drive model leftover slightly model price range tough decision fusi driver test basic idea chose ford probe 
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alarm proposal organization lehigh university lines article houston geoquest writes article jimf frost rites audible alarm annoyance professional amateur listens audible alarms anymore thieves heavy fine false alarms honked fact cars cruddy alarms crying wolf attention alarm real depends area city thinks mall suburbs people glance remember alarm deterent prevention thief sees cars likes alarm doesn skip alarmed avoid hassle alarm side fusi 
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curious maria alice ruth organization penn state university lines satisfy curiosity interested finding mail system flood mail april maria alice ruth bitnet male female long mail system access work school taught system person male female helped learn system person male female find questions nets interested read post system 
toyota land cruiser worth organization intranet lines response post unsolicited recommendations check land cruiser astronomical price toyota dealer told cult good create passionate loyal extraordinary land crusher cultists chance convert jonathan edwards edwards intranet 
sentra organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet chun hung nntp posting host hela cwru plannig trade sentra miles model dealer selling model miles roof airbag sentra fair deal thing noticed engine torque sentra identical engine presume lady owner push engine limits occassionaly mine thuis engine tight excercise slight power problem advice appreciated reply mail motion picture major brooks institute photography santa barbara foreign student kuala lumpur malaysia mind forerunner states 
warning read organization triumf university meson facility lines distribution world nntp posting host erich triumf news software vnews article tobias allen tobias writes article erik velapoldi writes happened year washington beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided cool throw huge rocks cars overpass cars injuries sadly small sitting front seat struck head larger rocks recall made comatose month doctors holding hope live hell happening great country boyhood pranks peeing bridges pound rocks society stooped watching caught punishment days behaviour rewarded whipping good sized belt hospital hand kind damage accidents happen whipping save life teaching respect person respect inevitably wind dead early problem creeping gradualism frog water jumps cold water gradually heat frog cook entertainment industry lack religious moral educational standards modern north american society years cooked woken late erik velapold society coming seams basic reason human life devalued point killing deal hundreds murderous acts abort children demand kill sick surprised kids drop rocks kill people care message hear life cheap education system religious leaders parents working society stabilizing influence home latchkey children latchkey kids watch rotten videos listen violent hate promoting music videos home stop times things learn school answer increased knowledge shorter school hours leisure time kids school longer feed good food teach home parent interact monitor forgotten proverb child left bring parent grief daycare systems answer shifting parents responsibilities life long committment followups parents teens fred bach operations group internet music triumf triumf university meson facility voice wesbrook mall campus university british columbia vancouver canada opinions make read question necessarily reflect views employer fellow workers 
warning read organization triumf university meson facility lines distribution world nntp posting host erich triumf news software vnews article neilson robert neilson writes auto content abiding citizens power protect property deadly force threat imminent steve heracleous power steve shoot kids tossing rocks cars make good miss rocks kids comment cynical true statement attitude drivers autos content abiding abiding talk freudian slips citizens responsibility prevent type behaviour children doctor deadly force part body amputating infection disease real desire prevent disease place followups parents teens fred bach operations group internet music triumf triumf university meson facility voice wesbrook mall campus university british columbia vancouver canada opinions make read question necessarily reflect views employer fellow workers 
warning read organization triumf university meson facility lines distribution world nntp posting host erich triumf keywords brick truck danger news software vnews article neil boeing neil williams writes long subject years riding front toyota pickup heading south interstate north seattle threw rock overpass windshield accident impossible overpass quickly figured kids reported left couple years happend killed company fourties left wife children turned reformatory juviniles blocks caught year cover overpass forget story neil williams boeing computer services bellevue neil year caught insurance company significant case interesting followups parents teens fred bach operations group internet music triumf triumf university meson facility voice wesbrook mall campus university british columbia vancouver canada opinions make read question necessarily reflect views employer fellow workers 
manual shift bigots organization clearer blir lines nntp posting host lanmola engr washington article mchaffee michael chaffee writes performance converter lockup purely irrelevant lockup occurs light throttle settings serves improve mind converter clutch lovely improving additional mechanical advantage converter acceleration locked converter clutch inherent losses transmission contradicts assertions stronger acceleration convertor lockup induce briefly lifting quickly quickly trigger kickdown applying throttle rpms convertor unlock kickdown skill involved driving automatic throttle shifter combined single pedal pretty influence shifting patterns foot hands steer eliot 
bimmer beamer nntp posting host reply markm mark monninger organization motorola tempe distribution lines direct response referenced article record straight beamers motorcycles cars bimmers terms straight purists argue true bimmer round tail light mark 
warning read organization worcester polytechnic institute lines distribution world nntp posting host keywords brick truck danger plase cease discussion fail people feel expound issue days days areas meant type discussion feel things thought things world plymouth small opec nation fuel good thing smashers home sulk jacques brouillette manufacturing engineering 
insurance rates performance cars summary organization louisiana tech university lines nntp posting host latech newsreader recently posted article kind rates single male drivers paying performance cars summary replies received anymore close dodge stealth twin turbo model tickets accidents house defensive driving airbag security alarm single year decut state farm insurance includes additional umbrella policy house base policy standard policy required defensive driving bought september company accident ticket years quoted hope helps steve flynn university delaware kevin hope remembered correctly asked insurance performance cars year similar situation bought made inquiry eagle talon driving record clean state illinois cost turn insurance single incurs higher rate company couple friends awds companies lucky hope info helps dans motorola cellular subscriber group live norman oklahoma drive thunderbird made claim insurance times negligent drivers stop signs fiddling radios moving violations months failure clear intersection damn light yellow record rates state farm passive restraint deduction liability deductible comprehensive deductible collision roughly year paying year escort james james callison microcomputer coordinator oklahoma center callison uoknor callison uoknor disclaimer engineer play work forecast calls thunder bird hell thing killing munny unforgiven group experience years interesting owned toyota celica decided gift exotic front runners included toyota supra turbo porsche model years narrowed simplicity handling snob appeal driving porsche supra turbo money features performance personal luxury acceleration higher speed ready give buying impulse decided stop insurance agent office asked happen rate supra rate classification celica celica considered subcompact year rated safest cars slight increase years newer lower risk division continue handle account porsche change standard higher rate company rate double story cover rest year cancel supra faster faster standard doens make sense book insure corvettes reason underwriters supras drivers traditional conservative eventually supra number reasons porsche dealer nice salesman interested tough high pressure back room equal monthly payments year longer porsche higher insurance concluded high insurance related probability auto theft entitled opinion goldberg navy imagination important knowledge albert einstein live idaho year bargain single male clean driving record corrado live jose california year allstate good deal thinking talon insurance higher turbo sports honda clean record small mexico town year nearby city rates higher mine insured robert robert stack institute transportation studies univ california irvine stack mazda protege year saturn years state mexico insurance state farm info toyota celica insurance farmer insurance yearly insurance date license residence mountain view california moving violations atleast hope helps post summary vijay vijay anisetti email anisetti single years eagle talon turbo full cover reasonable liability tickets violations accidents knock wood mass thing makes huge difference mass town live personally towns reasonable distance boston moved absolute moved worst accident couple tickets mitsubishi eclipse turbo years tickets record live illinois chicago year full coverage state farm small discount alarm system year live miles chicago lived city price year case interested insuring month personal total property deductible glass towing state farm driving years ripped performance cars listed record clean paying calling insurance dealers find rates supposed standardized found places initially call give ridiculously high quote finaly lower changed insurance companies rate renewal accidents tickets older maintain rate careful insurance companies good luck serge 
header honda civic organization math stats dalhousie university halifax canada lines nntp posting host slightly increase performance honda civic wondering suggest upgrades drastic thought easiest upgrades header kind increase header give check jackson racing part comparines make honda parts small easily made screw things injectors fuel injection chip suggestions small make difference change heard harder engine mail relpies prefered post summary replies offer jeff smith jsmith dalhousie university halifax 
impala production organization university virginia distribution lines qazi writes latest issue autoweek chevy impala arrive dealer showrooms dealers notified word made production version question aamir qazi qazi care watch drying paint aamir qazi qazi care watch drying paint alright finally wishes true moby dick corvette engine spend money lousy build quality design bigger selling cars trouble stick engine make nice sheesh 
chrysler yorker chryslers compact sedans organization university virginia lines warren brown washington post auto writer journalist hands yorker impressions review appeared friday paper weekend section traditional auto writer enjoy 
bimmer beamer distribution disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host panini watson organization watson research center lines article markm mark monninger writes direct response referenced article record straight beamers motorcycles cars bimmers beamers employees terms straight purists argue true bimmer round tail light mark 
sale celica repair manuals nntp posting host hotspare nasa organization nasa information sciences division lines volume soft cover repair manuals models toyota celicas good models condition manuals toyota dealers mechanics cost brian donnell brian nasa 
parts nntp posting host vaxa reply organization rochester institute technology lines dead generation body parts steering rack minor pieces parts owner backed month pulling arrgh mike 
improvements automatic transmissions organization wake forest university lines nntp posting host wfunet summary query keywords saturn subaru manual automatic biggest hurdle automatics imho shifting speed transmission reaction speed force shift manually biggest fault subaru ecvt soo lonngg tranny find ratio sales propaganda saturn automatic effectively electronically shifted manual saturn conquered problem dunno driven saturn speeds input question plans manual trans chrysler fall asleep night dreaming combo 
slick good organization university virginia lines chances discussed death discussion mail direct archive site basically wondering slick data support claim info mike davis clas virginia 
lois chevrolet organization wake forest university lines nntp posting host wfunet chevrolet brothers respected racers test drivers buick durant directors kicked durant chevrolet mentioned founded successful chevrolet company fact chevrolet durant back charge legally company chevrolet buying division chevrolet sloan shuffled things board superior degree autonomy chevy division initial structure organization chart sloan book chevy division reports directly floor passenger division covers buick olds cadillac oakland pontiac jeff hagen minor deity worthless auto trivia hagenjd 
dumbest automotive concepts time organization world public access unix brookline lines article reed writes fact leave valet glovebox make easy thief saves trouble popping ignition dick grady salem grady newsgroups time 
dumbest automotive concepts time organization world public access unix brookline lines article bhtulin amherst barak tulin writes started reading thread today forgive mentioned deal renault putting horn left hand turn signal stalk button washer button wiper washer stalk frenchies figure wiring steering wheel ford back ranger pickup horn turn signal stalk center wheel intended drove cars camry pushing turn signal stalk blow horn time annual state required safety inspection ford ideas dick grady salem grady newsgroups time 
york taxi reply tommy organization bell labs holmdel distribution originator tommy nntp posting host hoodlum lines wrat uucp wharfie writes checker special find good luck mine grew york city rode checker cabs jump seats cars roomy good trait taxi design flaw understand fixed rear passengers tended fall seats driver braked long ride back seat vehicles drove tommy reingold bell labs holmdel tommy boole tommy 
seating ergonomics headroom organization world public access unix brookline lines article amiller alex miller writes physical therapist suggested good driving position back vertical knees higher hips cars good respect headroom designed seat height mini vans dodge caravan high seat plenty headroom dick grady salem grady newsgroups time 
improvements automatic transmissions reply tommy organization bell labs holmdel originator tommy keywords saturn subaru manual automatic nntp posting host hoodlum lines hagenjd jeff hagen writes biggest hurdle automatics imho shifting speed transmission reaction speed force shift manually rented oldsmobile achieva yuppie nissan stanza automatics manual transmission bigot admit transmissions cars shifters responded quickly kickdown requests nissan tachometer able figure gear olds remember shifted foot told accelerate quickly prefer manual delude thinking accelerate modern automatic smooth shifting good automatic tommy reingold bell labs holmdel tommy boole tommy 
organization lehigh university lines future narrow choice opnion danny programmers danny phornprapha bugs endangered earth lucc student konsultant species needing protection work 
prizm radio question keywords prizm radio theft distribution lines lloking prizm today nice questions salesperson answer theft deterrent prizm audio systems work find answer lterature advance archie holmes 
opinions recent alfa spiders nntp posting host mech organization mechanical engineering lines opinions fairly recent model alfa spiders reliablilty class talking alfa toyota corrola relaible discern recent years levels basically mechanical aspects email responses schreiber mechanical enginering northwestern university email 
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buying story christ dealer service scam organization world public access unix brookline distribution lines article writes mark states post dealer price offer husband market find dealer price books send company publish periodicals times year list sticker prices dealer invoice prices cars options edmund price guide find price guides places sell magazines dick grady salem grady newsgroups time 
traffic rules intersections canterbury julian visch organization department mathematics university canterbury nntp posting host canterbury lines presently masters thesis traffic intersections zealand books researching america australia wondering road rules country regard intersections julian visch canterbury 
eagle talon lemon lines dear netters eagle talon question mentioned april consumer reports avoid manual transmission electrical system brakes models friend mine ownes brake jobs pads stuck valve clutch transmission problem sticking grinding gear beats suffer reliability speed buck talon problems repairs worth responses 
dumb options list organization sirius cybernetics corporation complaints lines article parr ucalgary charles parr writes idea list pointless options stuff earthly power windows power windows worth cruise control pretty dumb option point long trip floor eyes rear view mirror cops power seats pretty dumb unlucky share adjust leave allen atom berkeley things paper boiled football atom leather breath hitchhiking anymore riding 
wife convertible organization addiction studies program seattle university lines nntp posting host sumax seattleu hold number interesting convertibles coming market years lebaron based mitsubishi galant improvement current model compact convertible option chrysler product makers ford festiva planning larger convertible steve morris internet smorris seattleu addiction studies uucp beaver uunet gtenmc dataio sumax smorris seattle university phone dept direct seattle 
improvements automatic transmissions keywords saturn subaru manual automatic article engr organization clearer blir lines nntp posting host lanmola engr washington excellent automatic found subaru legacy switches sport mode electronics figure driver sets switch proper sport mode entail things revving line limiter case legacy delayed upshifts lift briefly remain gear handy charging corners distraction upshifts curve approaching part throttle downshifts based speed pedal depressed position pedal modern electronics measure easily switch sport mode wonderful charge green light turn audi senses downshift half throttle foot fast smart automatic deliver mileage dumb driver stick equal remember idea stick economical automatic makes assumption driver smart gear situation times ridden inattentive driver cruising highway gear speed people drive manuals gear conceivable situation suspect chip controlled automatic scenario ratio combinations stored previous assumptions proved wrong instantaneous readout high gear revs wide open throttle economical gear high revs small throttle opening explanation simple sits obvious sight eliot 
taurus sable rotor recall organization colorado springs division lines nntp posting host fajita taurus sables fleet cars site year company sells year employees folks drive complaints cars drive real nice 
manual shift bigots organization technical university munich germany lines autos write ayrton senna drive racecar fully automatic transmission half mclaren auto transmission half auto chrysler volvo auto transmission normal manual transmission gearbox clutch servo motors shifting means power loss drivetrain minimal mechanical friction sami auto transmissions ferrari williams mclaren shift transmissions share important disadvantage stock auto trannie expensive long servo shifted gearboxes normal cars stick manual advantage make grand lose deal loss mileage power real heavy traffic drive autobahn country roads point making religion wanted point technical facts opinion flame eliot safe ride chris 
organization university nebraska omaha lines lehigh danny phornprapha writes future narrow choice opnion danny question past year find share magistic answer work hard cheers issa 
clutchless shifting organization software lines jong barking weasel writes schludermann writes technique ease back throttle time gently wrist back shift lever reason miss shift window lightly press accelerator agian found clutchless shifting eaiser quicker high rpms skip gears times sounds slip throttle blip throttle wait feels things slip gear learn born make horrible grinding noises times times amount feel begin people guts planning transmission heard truckers race drivers shift zaphod uucp bean uwvax astroatc nicmad madnix zaphod 
time chrysler buyer summary keywords nntp posting host isis msstate organization mississippi state university lines world bought stealth weeks grad student rebate told reabet time chrysler buyer true late mubashir cheema sparco communications lagalarie russell street suite email msstate starkville 
passat advice sought organization rutgers univ brunswick lines market opinions passat compare toyota camry thought looked solid stable european disappointment offer airbao question offering automobiles airbags extra thousand smaller powerful passat 
opinions organization chevron lines article lehigh danny phornprapha writes budget sports mazda stuck order chevy camaro ponitac firebird firehawk ford mustang cobra toyota turbo typhoon travis 
hail damage record organization baylor college medicine houston lines distribution nntp posting host great storm mazda damaged replace doors hood black repaint entire vehicle estimated cost repair time approx weeks rremaley 
auto conditioning freon organization triumf university meson facility lines distribution nntp posting host erich triumf keywords freon greenhouse news software vnews article behanna chris behanna writes article rapw writes article behanna chris behanna writes chemists substitutes hear mobile conditioning society macs people stand rake retrofit automobile mounted organized campaign squash substitutes existence altogether shaky technical grounds outright lies worst wrong substitutes exist sounds carbs companies sounds crazy true subsitutes commercial product committee mobile conditioning comprised exclusively macs members case papers alternative refrigerant accepted review publication john provide details repost voluminous repost chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer agree raised pack wild corn dogs interested info substitutes fact info technical supply hardware upgrade details solvent reagent extraction production pharmaceuticals info substitutes usefullness working local engineers making compliant regulations trouble regulations longer permitted regulations montreal protocol definite phase schedule montreal protocol research ozone depletion problem asked earlier governments working fast ozone depleting chemicals gasolines greenhouse producing compounds greenhouse effect produced infrared trapping gasses methane ozone hole problem produced long lived chlorine molecules thing easier chloro fluorocarbons stop producing methane natural byproducts combustion living animal organisms planting trees destroying existing trees greenhouse problem ozone problem fred bach operations group internet music triumf triumf university meson facility voice wesbrook mall campus university british columbia vancouver canada opinions make read question necessarily reflect views employer fellow workers 
open letter nissan distribution nntp posting host zeppelin convex organization engineering convex computer corp richardson disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines smorris seattleu steven morris writes nissan making station wagons make wagon platform sentra stanza maxima fact make sell sunny california wagon based sentra avenil wagon infinity independently designed wagon based sedans nissan sell buying loving nissan product wife prefer wagon owned minivans prefer altima wagon sentra wagon sounds nice doubt plan avenil introduced replace sedan based wagon suggestion ahead rest fuji heavy industries subaru line legacy wagon legacy minute nissan engine horizontal sentimentally attached camry accord taurus volvo subaru wagons market segment worthwhile wait year compete model steve morris internet smorris seattleu addiction studies uucp beaver uunet gtenmc dataio sumax smorris seattle university phone dept direct seattle 
warning read organization lines article erik velapoldi happened year washington beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided cool throw huge rocks cars overpass cars injuries sadly small sitting front seat struck head larger rocks recall made comatose month doctors holding hope live hell happening great country boyhood pranks peeing bridges pound rocks society stooped erik velapold 
warning read organization marquette university department mscs lines nntp posting host studsys mscs article turbo gerald lindahl writes article erik velapoldi happened year washington beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided cool throw huge rocks cars overpass cars injuries sadly year kids tossed rock overpass claire wisconsin killed driver schoolteacher minnesota jason hanson wisconsin marquette university milwaukee radio jason mscs nocal 
buying story christ dealer service scam organization diego state university college sciences lines distribution nntp posting host pandora sdsu newsreader version mark monninger markm wrote service incident similar experience recently bought truck picked vehicle wanted haggling agreed price wrote check payment license told back evening pick truck returned wait hour finance finally smoothly started adding numbers discovered miscalculated license needed agreed price problem giving money finance similar thing happend year bought ford bronco stolen weeks paid delivery letter telling goofed miscalculated license renewal send check avoid delay processing registration thing received pink slip received letter phone calls started coming finance general manager hounding extra money left told paperwork pointed clause contract stated final price final afterall budge told wanted deal signed told call business future problem ford toyota dealership experience buying pathfinder month pays sunday month raining business weekend deal telling dropping price good deal service john jdenune sdsu 
seeking good alfa romeo mechanic organization university north carolina chapel hill lines nntp posting host axon keywords alfa romeo spider mechanic recommendations good great alfa romeo mechanic south jersey philadelphia nearby alfa spider engine tranny steering work body good shape awful cold weather start freezing drive spider snow ground bosch mechanical fuel injection adjustment opinions call email post autos summarize people andy brandt 
changing organization brandeis university lines article sorlin ohio state steven orlin writes electrodes volt meter connect earlobe symmetrically insert fingers spark plug boots cheating hands couple questions technique firing order start pointer finger pinky left hand cylinders unaccounted suggestions andy 
trains radar organization bellcore livingston lines article hhtra chevron haddock writes taking extended easter vacation north centerville dallas train parked trestle locomotive sitting directly northbound lanes appeared movement curiosity slowed passed underneath trestle radar detector full alert lights chirps beeps buzzes strong thought nailed good police materialized caused train radio travis travis lucky texas rangers stealth patrol good thing slowed newsgroups autos distribution world references nosubdomain nodomain eilenberger organization subject trains radar keywords 
honda accord brake problem organization university southern california angeles lines distribution world nntp posting host mizar honda accord magic mile mark sorts things beginning latest problem experiencing brakes stop fine stopped completely brake pedal sink inches feels strange worried brakes quit working days checked brake fluid reservoir full fluid looked dirty dirty called mechanic told brake master cylinder cost whopping wondering experienced sort thing mechanic honest simply brakes bled fluid provide appreciated send replies directly rarely chance read list post responses interest joni ciarlett 
cleaning eurowiper boots organization lines nntp posting host autarch acsu buffalo eurowiper boots white throw pair found cleaning looked black pair white dirty clean removing remove black joel joel sprechman sprec buffalo university buffalo buffalo black white thing homosapian thing takes bigger laugh jack handy 
open letter nissan station wagon nntp posting host wind bellcore reply jchen bellcore organization bell communications research distribution lines popularity minivans market room station wagons squeezed comfortable sedan carry minivans wagon anymore demand hampered minivan economical build product jason chen station wagon owner 
corvettes insurance nntp posting host fred colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article peon email eric youngblood writes article lehigh scott warren rosander writes article gdhg uiuc george writes years school finally graduating real make plans spend extra money accord good real sporty thinking selling years dropping sports kind thinking idea accord drops wanted corvette stingray reasoning accord corvette spend basically thinking late early question good years reliability horsepower order horsepower main concern fast motorcycle good prices insurance male single wait lower insurance fact drive lower type classic rarely driven insurance class driving miles year vette classic insurance basically means restricted amount driving time basically means suit limited mileage area denver alittle fast nice real powerful addition restricted mileage classic insurance carriers require vehicle garaged ericy eric youngblood bell northern research richardson texas peon email privs 
clutch question grinding noise organization unisql austin texas lines article jcyuhn nosubdomain nodomain james yuhn writes clutch hearing gearbox early shos referred gear rollover noise generally shos built mine make noise 
fast organization unisql austin texas lines article jimf frost writes hard prove point compare hoping chassis exhibits degrees flex subjected forces units forces units begin manifest miles hour designed fast designed fast porsche seatbelts supportive seats stronger passenger compartment cage brakes stiffer suspension tires body design takes advantage aero effects ground compared normal taurus supportive seats brakes stiffer suspension tires body design takes advantage aero effects ground racer plastic kidding road passenger compartment made withstand impacts compare porsche designed dollar cars driven fast drive goddamn rabbits europe reckon taurus capable rabbit convinced speeding speeding illegal speed love brother mind made interesting lots roads west speed limits 
fast organization unisql austin texas lines article jnielsen ohio state john nielsen writes case speed limit sign yeah speed limits huge increases municipalities make revenue gouge passing motorists 
fast organization unisql austin texas lines article andrew writes cocaine point harmful carefully 
fast article armory qkon organization centerline software lines nntp posting host wrat uucp wharfie writes compare porsche designed dollar cars driven fast drive goddamn rabbits europe reckon taurus capable rabbit point cars couldn fast shouldn fast family sedan designed operable suddenly operable added plastic aero effects slightly wider tires larger engine slightly modified family sedan powerful engine bother improving brakes mustang essentially deal power plant stuck size sedan modifications real life experience mustang handles brick invoking oversteer personally avoid highway stopping power inadequate lots accelleration rest picked porsche designed speed mind cheaper mercedes audi models cars fairly expensive parts make drivable high speed elementary things mind europe brought autobahn knowledge admittedly hand true drivers disciplined europe roads comprising autobahn designed include animal fences makes predictable highways europe autobahn places europe speed limits line friends lying typically higher strongly suspect find rabbit owners autobahn wrong people respect lives convinced speeding speeding illegal speed love brother mind made attention postings frost jimf 
cherokee explorer organization intergraph corporation huntsville lines jcksnste writes brand group flames honest opinions jeep cherokee country sport ford explorer stepfather ponders major decision months making comment importance live princeton barely road learned winter confidence inches snow olds cutlass eighty replies appreciated pondering decided worry steve ford explorer love drove jeep power spending money jeep great love explorer blizzard fine drove miles worst part storm faulterd opinion doug jcksnste 
ranger opinions article henson organization western washington university lines buying compact pickup favor wait months sonoma magazines night current truck georgeous solid fast vortec whip ranger area accept payload pick chevy miss comanche marty matt owings ninja type rider dudes feeling wanna obsession world rearview mirror wheels rhestless heart 
workmanship nntp posting host wind bellcore reply jchen bellcore organization bell communications research lines visited auto show cars floor eagle vision dodge intrepid nice attractive styling lots features room competitive price workmanship disappointing cars rubber seals window door fell turns seals grooved rubber band pressing groove tongue door frame surely easily kind pooring engineering assembly problems show buying establishes good track record jason chen 
changing organization cdac lines article nosubdomain nodomain eilenberger writes article yiklam chong writes bolt engine compartment turn clockwise counter kind lubricants failed electric drill change suitable turn succeed tighten tight safe leak advance winson suggest nearest chevron dealer filter change cost watch watching able learn remember sequence time loosens drain time easier stuck impact wrench force washer time back ssave cdac 
pontiac mail clubs nntp posting host badlands nodak organization north dakota higher education computing network newsreader version lines interested pontiac mail clubs started thinking starting info give maloney nodak 
ultimate vehicles lines article eliot engr washington eliot writes article qazi writes subarus sell percentage subes purchased high subarus sold audi backing number models offers purchase reserved strictly line model eliminated lineup quattro version cheap true pledge making option entire line cars bring wagon eliot called turbo quattro model wagon quick wagon rare mike sylvester umass 
warning read reply madman message nntp posting host seoul organization teltech burnaby canada lines auto content abiding citizens power protect property deadly force threat imminent steve heracleous power steve shoot kids tossing rocks cars make good miss rocks kids 
changing organization megatest corporation lines article damelio stephen amelio writes bmoss brent woody moss writes screw driver hammer start punching holes locations black slippery stuff starts pouring drain plug nearby foot close holes toilet paper refileing refill engine engine change forget punch holes radiator spray nice refreshing water engine nice cool steve make confused radiator located release radiation sounds radia tion genera punch holes hanguyen 
saturn organization national capital freenet ottawa canada lines thing forgetting argument pricing japanese cars saturns dicker sticker makes saturn price comparison inflated base prices japanese competition paper reality dicker hundred dollars price japanese cars admittedly canada price class civic steve 
saturn organization colorado springs center lines distribution nntp posting host pizza interested fully optioned sunroof september sacramento sold dealers local dealer equipped straight fleet manager dealership told wanted made aware knew price called back wanted dealer delivery 
workmanship article cactus organization capital area central texas unix society austin lines article jchen bellcore writes visited auto show cars floor eagle vision dodge intrepid nice attractive styling lots features room competitive price workmanship disappointing cars rubber seals window door fell turns seals grooved rubber band pressing groove tongue door frame surely easily lack build quality thing notced months back panel gaps large uniform cars kind thing expect accept mustang chrysler savior drove cars thought adequate prefer taurus experience craig kind pooring engineering assembly problems show buying establishes good track record jason chen 
fast article cactus distribution world organization capital area central texas unix society austin lines article blackshaw writes boyle craig boyle writes article mhartman umcc umich mark hartman writes driving straight line fine aclimated rush corners make clear autobahn people judges label insane difficult persuade people surface condition good autobahns quality autobahns myth road surface typical freeway terms lighting safety signs roadmarkings problem driving freeways save backroads dangerous roads asphalt test shocks kill wrong love severe recall freeway road damage warnings regard unsafe decent damped note definition decent damped exclude typical american sedans drive quickly probe decent piece road hereabouts live worried cops traffic road surface fast dangerous probe problem models driven unpredictable higher speeds craig craig mark hartman mhartman umcc umich kalamazoo freenet naked school sleepyhead 
dumbest automotive concepts time article cactus organization capital area central texas unix society austin lines article uiuc oriolefan writes original intent reverse lights driver backing reverse lights sides reverse lights warn backing bright typically brake tail lights telling cars backing perpendicular path warnings original intents colored white orange white defines direction moving able lamps back work good tailgaters rush testosterone craig chintan amin mail llama neil peart quick judge quick anger slow understand ignorance prejudice fear walk hand hand 
warning read organization systems lines deleted sound accusative remark sided problem culture deteriorating time breeding life worse justice system extremely weak handle problems abiding citizens power protect property deadly force threat imminent camaro pride stolen driveway years back persons eventually caught lucky trashed occasion texas florida stopped small motel night small town florida youths disturbing setting alarm challenging tenant walked magnum automatic vanished needless immediately packed left watch jacking staged accidents deadly argue issue carrying weapons thought shooting setting alarm worse things world glad give reason fire happening society days forget important question effort expending make thoughts karolchik 
braindead drivers ahead keywords drivers organization corporation open systems distribution lines bpita pitas writes article zdem amoco donna martz writes stuff deleted excuse understood smith meant observed traffic blocked solid people yeild moron impatiently riding bumpers slug front pack miraculously wake change lanes viola granted situation apply rush hour crowded city observed situation regularly average interstate sets cars side side bunched pack open freeway fore people refuse yeild point honor annoying slug front agree traffic blocked pass feel moving give length wait people person doesn flash high beams pull left flash ride bumper fact drafting hell hate flash back line pass flashed lights chap front pass major highways lanes direction keeping extreme blocks folks entering posted thread area left lane exits sounds wait minute left lane yoyos make room strech merryland cabin john bridge long entry ramps hurry yahoos dive ahead point ramps merge hell breaks lose result traffic moving side bridge stalls side dingbats stayed lane allowed folks coming ramps merge start stop miles dave barry idea laser equipped real drive beltway merge brown probe silver haired driver signals read minds courteous told courtesy contagious guess folks shots 
warning read organization cabletron systems lines distribution world reply smith nntp posting host glinda ctron article keys ncsl nist lawrence keys writes group brought idea bombed waco cult witnesses left compound testified batf shot identify tossing concussion grenades inside heard identification concussion grenade announcement batf sealed warrant operating search warrant arrest warrant short batf wildly control calmer heads realized bombing compound full woman children improve position real chance koresh able prove defense court leave officers dead blame batf followups directed activism discussion raged long seige shows sign giving larry smith smith speak cabletron liberty freedom freedom able 
electronic odometers question organization megatest corporation lines article lovall physics purdue daniel lovall writes hard digital electronics counter made standard chips find chip counting figure mileage preset wiring preset pins directly high conventions high involved bsee display convert counter chips digits translation table stored discrete functions anymore doubt motor electronics start guarantee fruitless attempt figure breaking invalidating warranty lucky able start 
warning read organization university illinois urbana lines tobias allen tobias writes article erik velapoldi writes happened year washington beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided cool throw huge rocks cars overpass cars injuries sadly small sitting front seat struck head larger rocks recall made comatose month doctors holding hope live recovered home permanent damage case concerned hell happening great country boyhood pranks peeing bridges pound rocks society stooped erik velapold people start forcing responsibility actions things happen untill stop blaming start blaming criminals continue things happen chintan amin mail llama neil peart quick judge quick anger slow understand ignorance prejudice fear walk hand hand 
viper organization university virginia lines night dream bought viper test drive knowledge push home avoid ticket wierd dream means 
warning read article qkqdqinnjfk organization university wisconsin milwaukee lines nntp posting host article neilson robert neilson writes auto content abiding citizens power protect property deadly force threat imminent steve heracleous power steve shoot kids tossing rocks cars make good miss rocks kids stong defense advocate statement littel shooting throw rock question disabled rock wanted kill rape beat harm wife kids power defend situation lives rock throwers family happen sounds happened people misunderstand justification deadly force death grave bodily harm supporting vilante justice funny followups talk politics guns track steve syck syck 
warning read organization microsystems lines distribution world reply barnesm nntp posting host vavau corp francisco recently finest examples humanity poured road vehicles uphill suddnely immobile walk vehicles make demands mark barnes system engineer sunsoft corporate technical escalations speak individual menlo park company work barnesm corp 
auto conditioning freon organization systems laboratory lines article lehigh alois himsl writes questions makes upset costs skyrocketing fact bought anymore area mechanics dealers customers reading refrigerant compatible system cost upto retrofit system important environment sudden slap face consumer consumer retrofit auto companies coming governments world quick banning freon slow banning gasoline opinion gasoline hazardous start proposing bans switch natural electric technology chemist alternative coolant compatible system chemists substitutes hear mobile conditioning society macs people stand rake retrofit automobile mounted organized campaign squash substitutes existence altogether shaky technical grounds outright lies worst piss write letter congressman senator president complain chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer agree raised pack wild corn dogs 
carb cleaners work performance carb rebuild organization systems laboratory lines article houston geoquest writes article schaffer ucalgary doug schaffer writes hard carb rebuild moderately experienced backyard mechanic clutch miscellaneous engine fixes hardest part darned thing intake manifold rebuilding carb things lots parts rebuild friends cars high school carb rebuilding auto supply store gallon carb cleaning solvent find make tyme rule thumb scariest warning labels metal bucket make dipping punching holes bottom coffee attaching wire handle carb cleaner doesn strip paint coffee stuff soak stuff hang parts coat hanger wash garden hose wipe excess water paper towels remember parts follow rebuild instructions float height choke tension bolt back engine admire super clean carb filthy engine heed warnings carb cleaner strong hands hands eaten pretty dipping method chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer agree raised pack wild corn dogs 
changing organization distribution lines crawl machine boat pulls suction stick tube excellent moving suction tube drain plug paid marine steel wait cools decant favorite device soft drink bottles easy local recycle center forza 
electronic odometers question organization corollary lines article lovall physics purdue daniel lovall writes article conradie gerrit conradie writes design electronics counter count number times passed million miles store computer memory read diagnostics test ditto date odometer easy manafucturers prevent illegal odometer tampering previous writer case aeons reset odometer mechanic electronic simulating driving easier reprogram hard digital electronics counter made standard chips find chip counting figure mileage preset wiring preset pins directly high conventions high involved bsee display convert counter chips digits translation table stored selah chips inside custom chip make smaller power preset data pins cmos wider operating voltage range tecnology make difference custom chip potted encapsulated epoxy good luck garyl shark feet long teeth considered dangerous shark bowl 
jeep wrangler opini organization john fluke everett lines article tvervaek vervaeke writes wranglers wrangler base model engine hard power steering conditioning runs shop change nice tall vehicle lube fittings occasionally jiffy lube check differentials change previous wrangler nary problem colorado jeeps mercedes volvos fact jeep called colorado hold easy resell mine cost blow money islander sahara renegade wrangler sahara paid including rebate wranglers fancy inside stuff driving years fancy stuff pretty nice cars primitive ride dump truck live area snow winter winch easy parts wrangler roading ground clearance limited suspension travel winch locker future engine puts love experience make model graham 
fast organization capital area central texas unix society austin lines article jimf frost writes stuff autobahn safety speed deleted mustang essentially deal power mustang worse case design irresponsibility plant stuck size sedan modifications real life experience mustang handles brick invoking oversteer hard predicatbaly drift stock mustang suspension personally avoid highway stopping power inadequate lots accelleration rest mustang school motor mind mustang fitted speed limiter safe check local junkyard mustangs outnumber cars proportion excess sales junkyards find astonishing somesuchlike jumped mustang poor brakes relation power ford standardize rear brakes picked porsche designed speed mind cheaper mercedes audi models cars fairly expensive parts make drivable high speed elementary things mind europe brought autobahn knowledge admittedly hand true drivers disciplined europe true northern europe latin countries roads comprising autobahn designed kindof true remember build adolf include animal fences makes predictable highways europe autobahn places europe autobahn german word freeway countries names loose equivalents autostrada autoroute motorway speed limits line friends lying typically higher europe brink limit passed typical speeds western europe higher enforcement negligible experience comapred revenue enhancement motivation things notice higher speed differentials professional attitude driving cars running parallel oblivious strongly suspect find rabbit owners autobahn wrong people wrong fast kind noisy ideal autobahn times cars driven drivers foot floor making ground identical front respect lives dead driving high speed forces concentrate feel safer driving autobahn typical traffic people awake driver reading book autobahn craig fast minutes aclimation drives fast deal craig convinced speeding speeding illegal speed love brother mind made attention postings frost jimf 
saturn organization cirrus logic distribution lines jason roth writes article cars civic escort list braking looked article summary inaccurate cars mentioned suzuki swift pointed semi silly comparison saturn cheaper escort admittedly negligible issue honda stated goal base honda price excluded words honda play saturn note saturn beat dont comparison price rest assured street prices escort honda lesser saturn talking price comparisons based msrp saturn dealer sell sticker price sticker srihari 
warning read keywords brick truck danger organization boeing computer services lines larose brian larose writes warning watch folks standing road overpasses harm cliff notes version story night travelling interstate knoxville taking offramp exit interstate wife suddenly screamed large side truck slowed back vandals standing drove police station good cock size cinderblock lucky truck sits high road window killed police likelyhood good driver knock wood night time police thought motive stop check damage jump truck aware folks good stop peace brian larose larose essary knoxville long subject years riding front toyota pickup heading south interstate north seattle threw rock overpass windshield accident impossible overpass quickly figured kids reported left couple years happend killed company fourties left wife children turned reformatory juviniles blocks caught year cover overpass forget story neil williams boeing computer services bellevue 
subaru good deal organization bogart graphics development lines netters friend thinking subaru local dealer seattle selling touring package msrp thinks good deal access opinion area reliability maintenanability send mail friend access opinion auto tranny climate control windows locks folddow rear seet full wheel drive fast spped heavy advacne locke work boeing computer services mail toml boeing uunet bcstec voodoo toml seattle 
open letter nissan station wagon organization clearer blir lines distribution nntp posting host week autoweek talks wagons back vogue mind audi wagon great stealth catch dead minivan eliot 
warning read nntp posting host mudd houston geoquest organization geoquest system houston lines article jason mscs jason hanson writes article erik velapoldi happened year washington beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided cool throw huge rocks cars overpass cars injuries sadly year kids tossed rock overpass claire wisconsin killed driver schoolteacher minnesota houston couple years young pregnant woman killed similar manner 
buying story christ dealer service scam nntp posting host mudd houston geoquest organization geoquest system houston distribution lines article rapw writes problem giving money finance brought manager duty proceeded give hard time reminded customer treated back forget deal made smart remark told stick snatched back check left needless pleased turn events friend mine shopping small sedan years brought token male salespeople give bimbo treatment choice mazda choice nissan sentra mazda dealership wanted started negotiating price salesdroid playing price sales manager playing good salesman salesman game finally told authority negotiate price speaking directly brought sales manager proceeded dick trick book read remar sutton time list finally playing rounds work price time thousand dollars salesmanager gave signal sales cronies stood guess trouped room leaving sitting salesman office read sleazy salesmen offices leave listen couples discussing sales offer mentioned aloud friend sitting wondering leave office showing door lack picked phone desk called mazda dealership asked salesman began discussing kind price sentences conversation salesmanager broke line began telling rude thought call dealership phone announced business care time talk sales sales manager drown voices phone finally hung headed showroom sales manager cronies unmarked room begins berate bother anymore door nissan dealership part videotaped front door sales manager shouts entire showroom customers ahead deserve nissan friend bought sentra guilty unpunished mention sales manager gary tusone manner refusal reasonable price anger guess original salesman young novice able dollars steamed fall slimy tricks 
workmanship organization microsystems lines distribution world reply barnesm nntp posting host vavau corp noticed tunk rear bumper small left side larger blech mark 
fast organization corporation open systems distribution world lines boyle craig boyle writes article mhartman umcc umich mark hartman writes complaining alot cars easily built handle speed complain join fast speed rush driving straight line fine aclimated rush corners make clear autobahn people judges label insane difficult persuade people surface condition good autobahns roads asphalt test shocks kill wrong love drive quickly probe decent piece road hereabouts craig mark hartman mhartman umcc umich kalamazoo freenet naked school sleepyhead 
license plates wanted nntp posting host camelot bradley organization bradley university lines roomate redecorate living room thought cool idea license plate state whereever find canada mexixo european ideas recent nice plate hanging hint hint wanderer bradley kevin murphy west main street peoria 
mgbs real world derek derek tearne organization fujitsu zealand software development center lines article kevinh ascom writes yeah mini leave standing long straight motorway people bought bought open topped sportscar embodied people thought fashioned traditional brit sportscar great pretty people mazda miata today small fool people performance superior expensive performnace cars derek tearne derek fujitsu zealand aware dinosaurs worried environmental consequences accident iridium enriched fusion reactor cockroaches mammals survive 
dumbest driver action organization corporation open systems distribution lines mwbg uiuc mark wayne blunier writes jimf frost writes figures back recall statistics showing women tended accidents damage generally minor fewer expensive accidents rate total vehicle destruction significantly higher women younger male groups imho social considerations strongest influence possibly difference sexes social influences affect type bought situations type driving situations major effect accident risk society expects mustang race street society expects males females agree social influences driving conditions lets real drag race becuase expected becuase find faster drive women becuase driver driving unusually figure male female driver driver social influences give person reason vehicle amount character change driving habits sheesh kind women live ladies blow doors youngsters uppity folks mark frost jimf 
workmanship organization texas university college station lines nntp posting host tamuts tamu article jchen bellcore writes visited auto show cars floor eagle vision dodge intrepid competitive price workmanship disappointing cars rubber seals window door fell turns seals grooved rubber band pressing single data point draw line bart childs professor texas dept computer science pastor late model corolla father stanza demonstrated falling door seals problem daryl biberdorf biberdorf sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura 
honda civic organization brigham young university lines converse purchased honda civic experience buying game price expect sedan bargaining advance ellen 
heard south shops originator nntp posting host coast organization cypress semiconductor distribution lines bring corrado body work wondering heard south body shops akins collision center santa clara reed auto west collision jose gatos acura royal auto body sunnyvale 
changing rist dealer service scam organization megatest corporation lines article john daker writes worried stealing finally decided drain plug welded shut works great figure quarts light month good wives tale changing filter miles works thing drain plug reasons wondering filled crankcase welded hood shut fear steal filter silly hole hood tube fill hole intake things cars provide access fill hole live problems vandals stealing people wheels locking nuts stop safe welded nuts wheels works wheels stolen 
warning read keywords brick truck danger nntp posting host zimmer csufresno organization fresno lines article larose brian larose writes warning watch folks standing road overpasses harm cliff notes version story night travelling interstate knoxville taking offramp exit interstate wife suddenly screamed large side truck slowed back vandals standing drove police station good cock size cinderblock lucky truck sits high road window killed police likelyhood stuff deleted report southern california sick sport drop concrete blocks overpasses freeway persons killed blocks windshields overpass bridges fenced made illegal loiter bridges stop people bridges fenced bridge time evasive action sport reached fresno greg lewis photojournalism sequence department journalism fresno fresno 
dumbest automotive concepts time summary continental distribution lines article callison uoknor james callison writes article houston geoquest writes article smith writes aftermarket business cars factory vynal fake convertible aftermarket place amazes people taste ugly fake wheel compartments stuck trunk side sides tacky luxury cars fake talking continental named lincoln continental sport personally love bird continental supercharged beautiful cars built imho james continental modern auto mount spare rear sport mounting techniques rear mounting spare common early automobiles foreign franklin heaven people wait gwrra laugh sinners saints sinners lots good young 
buying story christ dealer service scam lines organization university utah distribution service incident similar experience recently bought truck picked vehicle wanted haggling agreed price wrote check payment license told back evening pick truck returned wait hour finance finally smoothly started adding numbers discovered miscalculated license popular scam dealers month brother bought audi series quatro local dealer back final price added happened extra tagged part pointed error asked addition back price time 
cizeta lines nntp posting host sdcc ucsd article technik muenchen christian huebner writes remember reading track competition magazine featured testarossa diablo result expected cizeta slowest dropped halfway test laps smoking brakes sportscar showed ridiculous performance find hard weights head hell horse power production glitches imposing styling sports cars chris technik muenchen ferrari sportscar built personally cars rely turbo power guess favorite 
break pads exhausts maxima organization csri university toronto lines nissan maxima miles typical mileage cars seller informed brought certification told front break pads exhausts replaced meet legal standards replace components selling copmletely ignorant technical stuff cars time typical replacing mentioned items indication abused things break replaced seller told highway verify paint chipped tiny dots front edge hood maxima excellent clean warranty similarly priced accord years worth warranty left worry paying repair bills people maxima input reply mail preferred post newsgroup ryan ryan university toronto eecg computer graphics rkim toronto weave traffic cones road works british highway code toronto star april 
saturn distribution organization university illinois urbana lines srihari srihari shoroff writes jason roth writes article cars civic escort list braking looked article summary inaccurate cars mentioned suzuki swift pointed semi silly comparison saturn cheaper escort admittedly negligible issue honda stated goal base honda price excluded words honda play saturn note saturn beat dont comparison price rest assured street prices escort honda lesser saturn talking price comparisons based msrp saturn dealer sell sticker price sticker srihari hate rehash thread kindly quote prices dealer quotes civic escort assuming ahead yearly buyers guides give quote price quote find base price chintan amin mail llama neil peart quick judge quick anger slow understand ignorance prejudice fear walk hand hand 
workmanship nntp posting host wind bellcore organization bellcore lines article tamu daryl biberdorf writes article jchen bellcore writes visited auto show cars floor eagle vision dodge intrepid competitive price workmanship disappointing cars rubber seals window door fell turns seals grooved rubber band pressing single data point draw line bart childs professor texas dept computer science wrong points sample space show floor previous quote guess drow determinstic line pastor late model corolla father stanza demonstrated falling door seals problem unfair difference chrysler toyota chrysler prove build quality cars toyota afford make small mistakes hurting image door seal failing year stanza comparable problem brand intreprid jason chen 
open letter nissan station wagon organization stanford university distribution lines article eliot engr washington eliot writes week autoweek talks wagons back vogue mind audi wagon great stealth catch dead minivan minivan based viper running gear teddy audi liter year 
trains busses radar nntp posting host uokmax uoknor organization engineering computer network university oklahoma norman lines article colombo fnal rick open colombo writes trains sign back greyhound warns radar detector explain radar detector greyhound apparently installing radar collision prevention system radar monitor close vehicles fast relative speeds signals warning driver coming fast close remember news reports months back time talking possibility installing system mention worked bumper bumper traffic discriminated camaro approaching olde bridge support median approached curve recall progressive stages warnings flashing lights audible warnings close light hysterically screaming james james callison microcomputer coordinator oklahoma center callison uoknor callison uoknor disclaimer engineer play work forecast calls thunder bird hell thing killing munny unforgiven 
mgbs real world organization university western australia lines nntp posting host wapsy derek derek tearne writes people bought bought open topped sportscar embodied people thought fashioned traditional brit sportscar great pretty people mazda miata today small fool people performance superior expensive performnace cars fairly hard lack power surely make handling great back streets heaps corners fairly light center gravity free revving dohc engine driven turbo converted starting perform thought mazda rotary scott scott fisher scott perth local department psychology university western australia perth nedlands perth jaguar flat battery blown seal unsympathetic wife small remote town cold winters morning 
warning read nntp posting host uokmax uoknor organization engineering computer network university oklahoma norman lines article karolchik writes deleted sound accusative remark occasion texas florida stopped small motel night small town florida youths disturbing setting alarm challenging tenant walked magnum automatic vanished needless immediately packed left watch jacking staged accidents deadly argue issue carrying weapons thought shooting setting alarm worse things world glad give reason fire hear screwing setting alarm taunting damn colt delta elite coming screwing shot potential physical danger taunting intend physically harmful things screwing harm bent mayhem receive cure lead deficiency injection telling today violent criminals death pleasant outcome james james callison microcomputer coordinator oklahoma center callison uoknor callison uoknor disclaimer engineer play work forecast calls thunder bird hell thing killing munny unforgiven 
break pads exhausts maxima organization capital area central texas unix society austin lines article rkim toronto ryan writes nissan maxima automatic spec spec maximas miles typical mileage cars seller informed brought certification told front break pads exhausts replaced meet legal standards replace components selling copmletely ignorant technical stuff cars time typical replacing mentioned items indication abused brake pads front fine eats miles fact replacing muffler things break replaced mileage fairly typical stuff joints check maintenance records manufacturers requirements valve adjustments timing belt mile service expensive make seller told highway verify paint chipped tiny dots front edge hood commonly cited methods identifying highway miles check pedal wear sets tires highway squeezed sets hard driven sets maxima excellent clean warranty similarly priced accord years worth warranty left worry paying repair bills maxima pretty reliable warranty checked knowledgeable stuff japanese cars expensive people maxima model year input reply mail preferred post newsgroup craig ryan ryan university toronto eecg computer graphics rkim toronto weave traffic cones road works british highway code toronto star april 
dumbest automotive concepts time nntp posting host uokmax uoknor organization engineering computer network university oklahoma norman lines article boyle craig boyle writes article uiuc oriolefan writes original intent reverse lights driver backing reverse lights sides reverse lights warn backing aren bright typically brake tail lights live driveway night reverse lights country notice neat things stars difference night night house forest tall oaks dark nights full moons reverse lights illuminate path backing greatly prefer cars cars operational reverse lights james james callison microcomputer coordinator oklahoma center callison uoknor callison uoknor disclaimer engineer play work forecast calls thunder bird hell thing killing munny unforgiven 
cizeta organization university wisconsin milwaukee lines reply qazi nntp posting host originator qazi ucsd writes happened venerable claudio enhancement pictures beast model beauty autoweek article past weeks issue diablo cover naturally remember date issue offhand check interested aamir qazi aamir qazi qazi care watch drying paint 
series organization university wisconsin milwaukee lines reply qazi nntp posting host originator qazi article eabu alvin liter supposed enlarged liters distant future aamir qazi aamir qazi qazi care watch drying paint 
saturn organization university wisconsin milwaukee lines distribution reply qazi nntp posting host originator qazi article theckel heckel interested fully optioned sunroof september sacramento sold dealers local dealer equipped straight fleet manager dealership told wanted made aware knew price called back wanted dealer delivery selling nissans summer sold early august supply scarce black option power moonroof sold naturally manager care sell desirable virtually profit knowledge aamir qazi aamir qazi qazi care watch drying paint 
dumbest automotive concepts time organization portal system lines reverse lights warn backing aren bright typically brake tail lights craig silly argument backup lights agree serve dual purpose letting people reverse light area backing backup lamps current models brighter older cars taurus wagon bright illuminate good area brighter earlier cars vettes side backup lights model year earlier side marker lamps white side marker lamps hindquarters white reflectors harv 
station wagons open letter nissan organization clearer blir lines distribution nntp posting host lanmola engr washington article tedebear stanford theodore chen writes catch dead minivan minivan based viper running gear hmm beast exists catch dead syclone typhoon fact clint eastwood taste rational reasons teddy audi liter year tested wagon banger speed manual rave review servotronic audi recoup development costs selling sticking series cars neat marketing trick yeah idea competition upcoming bimmer liter version avoid conflicts model strip luxo garbage remain flared arches tires fight turn boost bump keeping mercedes style subtlety blah blah blah eliot 
mgbs real world organization stanford university lines article scott scott fisher writes driven turbo converted starting perform thought mazda rotary dropped ford miata reminiscent shelby cobra nimble supposed weight distribution handle love drive teddy 
feedback requested lowering mustang nntp posting host london organization lachman technology naperville lines article resun jeff perry writes found advertised lowering front early mustang installation envolves moving upper installation wedge shaped spacer ball joint apparently shelby mustangs similair modification left spacer interested feedback modification mustang head early simple strut suspension upper strut lower control single bushing tension compression locating forward backward direction simple strut suspensions lowered shorter springs cutting springs lowering spring perch shortening strut perch cases suspension geometry suffer lower control arms intended angle spacer control bottom strut roughly height reduction restore suspension geometry imho includes spacer optimist lachman technology chicago experience archy 
warning read originator kevinh reply kevinh ascom organization ascom hasler lines article wesf fujii writes brian larose larose wrote police thought motive stop check damage jump truck aware folks good stop sort thing rise country south florida national coverage subject vacationers attacked killed schemes similar make worldwide coverage numerous people planning holidays florida chosen destination expect sort thing world countries kevinh ascom 
organization services lines article wrat uucp wharfie writes article chriss chris silvester writes wagon heard slightly faster coupe wagon automatic slower rear ratio automatics rear ends manuals limited experience david david hwang university michigan medical school wall street suite telephone arbor michigan internet david arbor 
kuebelwagen organization purdue university computing center lines spelling forgot spell series exams hand reference cute wwii jeep wanna replica great convert 
ussie info shows reply johnt levels unisa organization university south australia lines australia enthusiast australia interested american muscle cars makes ford chrysler mopar weeks june chicago thursday denver friday sunday austin texas monday friday oklahoma city friday monday anaheim california tuesday thursday vegas nevada friday sunday grand canion monday tuesday june angeles diego vicinity wednesday june sunday june june south lake tahoe sunday june wednesday june reno thursday june fransisco thursday june sunday june wondering send information shows swap meets drag meets model shows period pomona swap meet year places visit museums private collections collection information appreciated interested finding model cars scale models intersted cars interest javelin scrambler rebel machine kits plastics diecast interested selling interested send bring models australian high performance cars interested reply email johnt levels unisa john tsimbinos 
ussie info shows swap meets reply johnt levels unisa organization university south australia lines australia enthusiast australia interested american muscle cars makes ford chrysler mopar weeks june chicago thursday denver friday sunday austin texas monday friday oklahoma city friday monday anaheim california tuesday thursday vegas nevada friday sunday grand canion monday tuesday june angeles diego vicinity wednesday june sunday june june south lake tahoe sunday june wednesday june reno thursday june fransisco thursday june sunday june wondering send information shows swap meets drag meets model shows period pomona swap meet year places visit museums private collections collection information appreciated interested finding model cars scale models intersted cars interest javelin scrambler rebel machine kits plastics diecast interested selling interested send bring models australian high performance cars interested reply email johnt levels unisa john tsimbinos 
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warning read reply bjones organization trent university peterborough lines article kevinh hasler ascom kevinh writes article wesf fujii writes brian larose larose wrote police thought motive stop check damage jump truck aware folks good stop sort thing rise country south florida national coverage subject vacationers attacked killed schemes similar make worldwide coverage numerous people planning holidays florida chosen destination expect sort thing world countries response articles written subject problem southern ontario summer instances people truckers shot overpasses sick people makes worlds coming kevinh ascom 
jeep wrangler opini organization microsystems lines distribution world reply dbernard central nntp posting host clesun central article vlsi vill mobasser vlsi vill bijan mobasseri writes square respectable resale easy expensive expensive patently false statement logic alfa fact marketplace wonderufl mechanism adjust cars overpriced manufacturer expensive necessarily expnesive fact real cheap depending note question statements reliability wrangler owned driven love understand apparent neglect quality years filtered market jeep intoxicating irresistable seductive make purchase fatal attraction bijan popular vehicles previous model year sitting dealer lots lenghth time things sell popular popular high priced high price simple knew overpriced bought knew terrible reliability record bought expect dealer network unable repair personal experience quickly cured infatuation machine dave 
fast organization university erlangen reply dalibor erlangen nntp posting host faui informatik erlangen lines jimf frost writes things mind europe brought autobahn knowledge admittedly hand true knowledge driving hand correct statements autobahn drivers disciplined europe yeah paradise fact forget heard relatives drivers germany ressive disciplined relatives resident hired nuernberg airport miles home grew year older ride swore drive germany promise situation worse effect increased volume traffic disciplined considered cautious fear driving consideration majority drivers absolutely relies expect fails sleeps exploit driving fast allowed dream mistake make high risk health posed situation driver learn handle lose people experience traffic situation pleasant efficient handle high volume traffic high speeds modest compared volume decreasing rates lethal accidents otoh people women dislike driving feel overtaxed threatened accident accident roads comprising autobahn designed include animal fences makes predictable highways designed maintained animal fences rare auto bahnen streets guard rails hope word plank made thick steel sheet fixed uprights feet high guard rails designed keeping vehicles road smaller animals crawl plank bigger easily jump point larger animals rare germany tend timid accidents caused animals neglegible danger europe autobahn places europe speed limits line friends lying typically higher speed linits major part autobahn attitude driving similar germany france switzerland italy austria spain belgium netherlands rely residents abiding local speed limits practise miles travel smaller rabbit driving highways round paris milano thrill strongly suspect find rabbit owners autobahn wrong find rabbit class smaller mine peugeot owners fast small cars people buying cars afraid people respect lives disagree size weight irrelevant formula cars weigh drivers chance survive accidents higher otoh crashing solid object makes difference porsche mercedes tank bicycle dead stefan stefan dalibor dalibor erlangen case kangaroo court accuse reincarnation adolf hitler mere denials sufficient submit examinations parapsychologist personally select perry metzger pmetzger article news admin policy 
nissan altima seller organization microsystems lines distribution world reply dbernard central nntp posting host clesun central puzzled obvious untruth nissan claims altima selling namelplate verbatim iaccoca statistics dept proud sentence note corolla prism designs nameplates guess nissan sell altimas toyota corollas nameplate qualifier 
super mega automobile sighting exotics organization hewlett packard narc atlanta newsreader lines give address drive post stephen phillips atlanta response center atlanta home braves 
tires ford ranger pickup organization sonoma county srsd mwtd newsreader version lines good luck ranger yokohama tires tires wearing times hauled heavy loads 
ford automobile nntp posting host elba organization progress software corp lines rwong calstate russel wong writes russell wong research project henry ford automobile information ford partially responsible accidents drives crazy person responsible accidents pull licence steve alan kulwicki winston champion 
ford probe opinions centered organization north carolina state university project lines article nathanp nathan writes jeremy mereness offer opinions ford probe long repair records reliability mileage fixing months aiming bigger typical small power probe accord corolla bought probe july miles debating sentra stealth prelude celica design earlier years early reliability worth comments dislikes shutting door windows inside rarely makes good wind seal owners ford probe mailing list commented problem happen month probe ford corrected initial batch cars ford issued service bulletin inform dealers correct problem able dealer headlights stuck times weather conditioning broke miles pressure cycling switch condensation rear washer fluid container drain completely problems mentioned mailing list luck crammed engine hope yourselfers typical parts expensive normal ford parts underside plastic sharp driveways speedbumps typical assembly gripes tape radiator screw fell dash seat seams stitched properly fluke problems able find obvious places screwed ford ford spend extra pennies hmm keys tells stiffed dealer count credit card owner binder keys credit card teeth guess count rear hatch padding corners waiting bash head corner horn buttons spokes center personal preference pretty takes space expect find horn speaking horn surprised find probe nice merican sounding horns japanese sounding kind previous probes japanese horns tires fling dirt side yeah badly annoying likes engine design valves sounds smoothness power mileage torque handling good understeer limits transmission speed usable instrumentation lovely readable analog torque steer full power drive stability high gearing cowl good visibility front heated mirrors nice tested freezing weather rear seats fold rear seat passengers trunk important shake rattle noises bumps potholes tires goodyear eagles left hoping agree strongly engine interior nice pleasing ergonomically sound drive work smooth roads noticable thing probe suspension potholes test drive find potholed road town jarring tolerable stiff suspension personally find harsh strongly suggest passengers means bring find room back find rides differently problem back seat room plenty head room shorter people back complaints long seat sitting pulled forward give place feet glass expecting temperature inside pretty summer back seat passengers complain lack ventilation combined heat power moonroof greatly improve ventilation enjoy moonroof sucker open driving leakage problems heard exhaust system trouble mine works fine heard early probes problems prematurely rusting mufflers ford replace charge heard probes real trouble joint boot leaking dealer care promptly gave free rental half happy handled expecting worst heard sounds ford mazda problems probe production problems corrected point expected completely hope helps chuck chuck kesler internet chuck ncsu unix systems programmer mail ncsu campus engineering computer operations raleigh north carolina state university phone 
sticky lock tailgate organization stratus computer software engineering lines distribution world nntp posting host questor stratus toyota runner rolldown rear window keylock switch sticky yesterday tough work happened stick direction stalled motor powered night killing battery lubricate lock switch lubricate lock email drink american corporate swill support local micro brewery 
renting alamo nntp posting host ericsson reply etxmst ericsson organization ericsson telecom lines netters visiting sweden august rent chevy beretta alamo quoted week additional days include free driving distance local taxes baltimore told insurance included doubt friend rented year turned needed insurance included base price hand rent alamo info probability needing insurance beretta good rental markus 
dumbest automotive concepts time organization centerline software lines distribution nntp posting host nancy nancy feagans writes ashtrays cigarette lighters option heading direction post sale questions asked choice cigarette liter accessory plug choice ashtray holder storms cigarette lighter accessory plug option exist bought tray holder step direction ashtray make convenient change holder completely useless frost jimf 
haggle deals save nntp posting host reply rapw organization distribution lines advantage mark 
ford probe opinions centered nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article chuck ncsu chuck kesler writes rear hatch padding corners waiting bash head corner horn buttons spokes center personal preference pretty takes space expect find horn toyotas airbags real horn hard pressure plate hope toyota follow make horns buttons fumble john john nielsen magnus consultant baldrick renaissance happened people black adder 
rush fast distribution organization unisql austin texas lines article marshatt purdue zauberer writes guess clear roads designed speeds safe current saftey margin designed speeds upwards forget exact spec military vehicles dodge powerwagon ford taurus 
york taxi distribution organization unisql austin texas lines article almanb alman writes hose dork 
super mega automobile sighting exotics organization georgia institute technology lines nntp posting host gatech alright beat automobile sighting driving hair north atlanta noticed dealership appeared deal repair older rare exotic foreign sports cars ford famous model ford races late including mans times jensen interceptors convertable hatchback porsche boring compared rest ferarries mondial prepared racing model identify bottom late convertable rotting rover saloon regularly sold showroom small italian body alpha romeo lancia size austin mini trunklid missing exposing boot voltage regulator upper left corner wall chunk metal removed floor hand side leave trunk taillights looked round type make made graham thomas blah blah blah blah blah georgia institute technology blah blah blah blah blah internet grahamt gatech blah blah blah blah blah 
mercury capri restrictions organization lake stevens lines restriction convertible paronoid laws passed convertibles states require greater rollover protection capri affords thatch harvey thatch harvey uucp longer valid domain thatchh hewlett packard lake stevens instrument division lake stevens merkur suzuki prince sports racer 
removing rain coat front windshield tips organization lake stevens lines summer rain wrong place year rain handy friend thatch thatch harvey uucp longer valid domain thatchh hewlett packard lake stevens instrument division lake stevens merkur suzuki prince sports racer 
rush fast organization microsystems lines distribution world reply jfox east nntp posting host hooksett east article uucp wrat uucp wharfie writes article marshatt purdue zauberer writes guess clear roads designed speeds safe current saftey margin designed speeds upwards forget exact spec military vehicles dodge powerwagon ford taurus powerwagon vehicle today cars touch terms high speed road holding ability 
blast past organization georgia institute technology lines nntp posting host gatech lehigh alois himsl writes worthwhile technology style upgraded safety features natural operated engine opinion production english market built rover improved suspention slightly updated body back graham thomas blah blah blah blah blah georgia institute technology blah blah blah blah blah internet grahamt gatech blah blah blah blah blah 
organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host carson washington lehigh danny phornprapha writes future narrow choice opnion danny question past year find share magistic answer work hard cheers issa suggestion work hard issa suggested acura enjoy 
grand organization purdue university engineering computer network lines article holcomb edgar holcomb writes article wilmott rutgers wilmott writes back info models grand response generally favorable thing repeated real power point input cylinders standard quad high output quad delivers quad offered grand delivers beretta ooppss grand litre downsized version buicks litre beretta corsica 
buick heater controls nntp posting host vaxa reply organization rochester institute technology distribution lines problem lesabre local junkyard pick diaphragm lesabre heater worked slow change vents defogger 
improvements automatic transmissions organization purdue university engineering computer network lines article hagenjd jeff hagen writes responded driven great traffic satisfactory acceleration foot buried carpet question downshifting downshifting pass good manually moving lever point downshift manual approaching light curve tooling parking shifting manual trans bigot downshifting deceleration natural automatic tranny understand addendum great downshifting approaching light light green turbo spooled zipp hagen hagenjd grand auto quad gear selector plastic strip covers space inside cover long strip specific length strip curls cirlce inside strip feed circles push button pull gear shifter back drive accidental hitting drive town revs shift drive pull coming lights eating food drive drive aftermarket shift kits accomplish thing porsche tronic automatic driven auto mode upshift downshift override redline engine 
braindead drivers ahead organization bellcore livingston distribution keywords drivers lines article jitloke loke writes article herschel mayo writes block passers good stupid realize good people concerned group citizens absolutely disgusted majority drivers simply disobey traffic rules speed limit passing riding tails respectfully abide rules great country maintain mandated speed limits calibrated certified cruise controls keeping respectful length distance speed times ticked moron jumps ahead lengths left vehicle ahead driving finally option totally member supported group perform functions good good great country unfortunate stupid realize bless souls paltry join citizens rationally advanced piloting profit members society slight hitch initiation rite full fledged member exclusive club proof able fast lane busiest interstate area correct lenth speedand difficult morons pass lane slow lane breakdown lane complete list acceptable interstates times send members highly regarded attorneys auto field completely absolutely positively business serve interests testament virtues give members initial consultation feel free drop line earliest convenience remember speed kills bunch arrogant lawyers whats rest wonderful judicial system criminals superior intellect mention fees collect poor slobs tickets speeding state police officers soak court love lawyer jokes 
alarm systems worthwhile organization national institute standards technology distribution lines article dodson dave dodson writes worthwhile alarm system past continue disagree worthwhile alarm features important important protect trunk engine doors flashing lights mounted drivers passenger door relay disable engine operation toss glass break sensor shock sensor door lock unlock remotes panic feature nice important installation places cost poorly installed alarm matter cost major burden features unimportant things engine starters voice alarms window sunroof open close conveniences dave dodson dodson convex computer corporation richardson texas larry keys ncsl nist fahrvergnugen forever fact explain understand 
dumbest automotive concepts time organization national institute standards technology distribution lines article glouie navy george louie writes autos nancy nancy feagans writes ashtrays cigarette lighters option make option ashtray store coins small things handy cigarette lighter electrical outlet types handy gadgets players vacuum cleaners flashlights extra things hurt ashtray change items converted cigarette lighter volume control knob trunk subwoofer george larry keys ncsl nist fahrvergnugen forever fact explain understand 
warning read keywords brick rock danger violent teenagers organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article music triumf fred bach writes article jrowell intel janet rowell writes plase cease discussion fail people feel expound issue days days areas meant type discussion feel things thought point hostility teenagers follow news northwest heard group year boys barely teens outlook developed teens shot killed innocent riding seattle area mother driving honked horn boys upsetting makes stomach turn parent heart poor mother teenagers drive cars involved automotive vandalism crime newsgroup specific experience dealing violent teenage offenders kids people lose perspective case violence teenagers perspective thousands kind teenagers volunteer local agencies children seniors homeless read kids stanford spent spring breaks helping city areas hundreds volunteers teenagers worked clean mess rodney king riots local high school play recently attended school orchestra performances kids volunteer pick trash plant trees walk thons kids sell stuff benefit organizations belong scout cookies bought chocolate bars good media picks anomalies sensational wonderful teenagers place work hard school good grades college work make real contribution society humans teenagers time lives mother theresa teenager geoffrey dahmer people sensational reporting media kind reflection world today reflection happening outer fringes society 
alarm systems worthwhile distribution organization wright state university lines article dave dodson writes worthwhile alarm system features important features unimportant question answered live live place crime apparent good idea simply deterrent professional thief vehicle good matter slow thieves good idea basic options ignition kill fuel flashing basic decent alarm system slow criminal steering wheel lock sufficient persuade thief find easier target jacking life confusing hope helped jason human factors psychology program wright state university dayton mail jyow wright 
fast idle ford ranger reply ljbartel ingr organization intergraph corporation lines morning ford ranger idling exaggerated idling fast liter carburated engine blipping throttle idle drop back normal linkage stuck problem problem time time straightened tach gauging sound engine idling fast idling pulled stop light suggestions bartel live forever intergraph corporation electronics division ljbartel ljbartel ingr 
nissan altima seller reply jchen bellcore organization bell communications research lines nntp posting host wind bellcore guess makes altima generic 
haggle deals save nntp posting host wind bellcore reply jchen bellcore organization bell communications research distribution lines local dealer advertising negotiation make 
ford probe opinions centered organization santa cruz operation lines jeremy mereness offer opinions ford probe long repair records reliability mileage fixing months aiming bigger typical small power probe accord corolla probe youngest bunch interest opinions magazine ratings book places excellent rear wheel drive design advance read read group valentine radar information sigh posting bought probe july miles debating sentra stealth prelude celica check month consumer reports previous probe records criteria airbag thought turbo checking insurance people ruled star cars eclipse talon ditto mustang fell pocket rocket category good rolled prelude dash instrumentation weird smaller passenger space needed celica underpowered loaded options overpriced turbo form considered airbag virtues corolla entered mind looked mitsubishi dodge stealth list exhausted bought probe design earlier years early reliability worth comments dislikes shutting door windows inside rarely makes good wind seal headlights stuck times weather conditioning broke miles pressure cycling switch condensation rear washer fluid container drain completely crammed engine hope yourselfers typical parts expensive normal ford parts underside plastic sharp driveways speedbumps typical assembly gripes tape radiator screw fell dash seat seams stitched properly fluke ford ford spend extra pennies rear hatch padding corners waiting bash head corner horn buttons spokes center personal preference tires fling dirt side likes engine design valves sounds smoothness power mileage torque handling good understeer limits transmission speed usable instrumentation lovely readable analog torque steer full power drive stability high gearing cowl good visibility front heated mirrors nice tested freezing weather rear seats fold rear seat passengers trunk important shake rattle noises bumps potholes tires goodyear eagles left hoping primarily interested engine uummph liter turbo rush selling point aluminum liter engine good money market segment changed july prelude vtec honda drive work smooth roads noticable thing probe suspension potholes test drive find potholed road town jarring tolerable passengers means bring find room back find rides differently glass expecting temperature inside pretty summer back seat passengers complain lack ventilation combined heat heard exhaust system trouble mine works fine leather keyless entry system comment officially announced prefer cloth leather snow suspension rough inevitable surprise potholes tires meant snow seats assume wearing lots thick clothing rain water generally beads windshield freeway speed windshield wiper controls easy understandable barely hydroplaned eagles definite lack holder small storage places holders speakers door rigid plastic cassettes center console storage rest holder back front seats cloth pouch change holders probe people mover econo lastly store covers back foam soak water result smell pleasant nathan nathan jeremy mereness support olde disclaimer zonker internet free represent fast project gsia software opinions mechanical engineering gotta love silver lining touch grey year marks anniversary bill rights nathan comment coming napolean 
auto conditioning freon organization nanyang technological university singapore newsreader version distribution lines working solid adsorption system auto applications kind system energy regenerating adsorbent exhaust interested mail email follow thread discussion prospects technology internet mgqlu division thermal enginerring bitnet mgqlu bitnet school nanyang technological university phone nanyang avenue singapore 
warning read organization cybernet boca raton florida lines tobias allen tobias writes article erik happened year washington beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided cool throw huge rocks cars overpass cars injuries sadly small sitting front seat struck head larger rocks recall made comatose month doctors holding hope live hell happening great country boyhood pranks peeing bridges pound rocks society stooped erik velapold society coming seams basic reason human life devalued point killing deal hundreds murderous acts abort children demand kill sick surprised kids drop rocks kill people care message hear life cheap people fortunatly unfortunatly experiencing devaluation human life developed nations american raised europe worst thing happen broken pocket picked slaves russian refugees cource nutcases extremely rare greece walk neighborhood time night worrying germany walk sidewalks back sanitation crews clean streets sparkling cleen dont easy answers nation selfcritisism postings sould culture reduce crime insurance rates spend money modifing cars posting autos tech revelant vlasis theodore software engineer mobile communications development 
warning read organization cybernet boca raton florida lines neilson robert neilson writes auto content abiding citizens power protect themselve property deadly force threat imminent steve heracleous power steve shoot kids tossing rocks cars make good miss rocks kids ditto dont shoot bastards 
changing distribution nntp posting host tomcat raleigh organization research triangle park north carolina lines article gwalker grayson walker writes crawl machine boat pulls suction stick tube excellent moving suction tube drain plug paid marine steel wait cools decant favorite device soft drink bottles easy local recycle center sound good heard leave grit told change grit time settle opinions bryan welch amateur radio internet europa bwelch nmsu perish save love music scots gaelic proverb disclaimer opinion 
warning read nntp posting host tomcat raleigh organization research triangle park north carolina keywords brick truck danger lines article neil boeing neil williams writes larose brian larose writes warning watch folks standing road overpasses harm cliff notes version story night travelling interstate knoxville taking offramp exit interstate wife suddenly screamed large side truck slowed back vandals standing drove police station good cock size cinderblock lucky truck sits high road window killed police likelyhood good driver knock wood night time police thought motive stop check damage jump truck aware folks good stop peace brian larose larose essary knoxville long subject years riding front toyota pickup heading south interstate north seattle threw rock overpass windshield accident impossible overpass quickly figured kids reported left couple years happend killed company fourties left wife children turned reformatory juviniles blocks caught year cover overpass forget story moines iowa year dropped rock overpass windshield dent roof guess lucky metal frustrating bother city government covers overpasses slow speed driving overpasses city time lots people talking city governments bryan welch amateur radio internet europa bwelch nmsu perish save love music scots gaelic proverb disclaimer opinion 
fast organization centerline software lines distribution world nntp posting host boyle craig boyle writes quality autobahns myth road surface typical freeway terms lighting safety signs roadmarkings light highways texas funny light junctions road markings vary states localities areas markings essentially nonexistant roads asphalt test shocks kill wrong love severe recall freeway road damage warnings regard unsafe decent damped suspect limited experience freeways vary dramatically states number interstate highways parts country optimistic call severe terms road deviations suspect single bridge junction considered hard interstate deviations drive frequently texas pretty edge case assume roads good condition flat terrain wide open spaces frost jimf 
rush fast organization lawrence berkeley laboratory berkeley lines distribution nntp posting host news software vnews wharf wrat rites designed speeds upwards forget exact spec military vehicles dodge powerwagon ford taurus reference super slab system interstate defense highways military road matter whomped diesel trucks load permitting military surplus stuff driven jeep classic willys kaiser independent suspension power wagons slant crew pickup congenial highway speeds swear bedload semi gotta love standard military tire designed circa compromise traction icky sticky longevity sharp rocks adapted high speeds civilian roadways remember imagine mountain bike tire road middle scaled size yeah narrow standard mods civilizing surplus jeep install tires wheels reflected advancements made ride handling point made wharfie stands spec power wagon jeep tank transporter unwieldy rubber tired vehicle suggest american interstate safe speed limited skills road maintenance swarms fools roads designed devil naturally employer advocates unsafe unlawful driving personal opinion people republic berkeley 
importing volvo posted internews dartmouth organization dartmouth college hanover lines afraid time rice burner finally died promised wife scandanavian tour died pick volvo sweden drive import home give advice feasibility relative costs references learn personal experience email 
selling hunter organization motorola mobile data division seattle distribution lines good experience selling hunters selling dodge stealth contacted company called markham group based illinois buyers area interested talking talked good minutes sell problem guaranteed sell days money back charged protected federal states satisfied refund true federal expressed paperwork contract stating policy days called illinois file good news legitimate company week effective types companies care share experiences 
trading paid pointers organization telxon corporation distribution lines article fibercom rhonda gaines writes planning purchasing trading mazda years account purchase dealership amount purchase price explain call bank credit union finance company holds loan present current payoff cost trading current subtract payoff amount trade dealer giving turns negative number reconsider deal subtract difference price size loan dealer care paying loan money give pick worked years ohio rhonda joseph staudt telxon corp joes usenet tetris people akron remember read heller 
ford automobile organization hewlett packard narc atlanta newsreader lines ford automobile information ford partially responsible accidents depletion ozone layer additional information greatly appreciated ssoo fault louis chevrolet innocent diesel otto feel guilty stephen phillips atlanta response center atlanta home braves 
warning read organization university california berkeley lines nntp posting host anarres berkeley keywords brick rock danger violent teenagers rfelix robbie felix writes thousands kind teenagers volunteer local agencies children seniors homeless hear hear robbie read violence teenagers george bush burying alive tens thousands unarmed iraqi year olds surrender bulldozers hand true singling teenagers blame violence socially acceptable discourage violence plenty work people ages 
water trunk probe organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host sneezy stratus water gradually builds trunk friend ford probe remove spare scoop water plywood carpet cover trunk guess good thunder storm common problem drain holes located hatch info szeto peanuts tszeto stratus bottom ggnuuaahuuhh include homer simpson 
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manual shift bigots organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply albion bowers nntp posting host previous article eric youngblood article eliot engr washington eliot writes race stuff deleted back stuff note auto tranny shifts driver command preselected schedule driver controls shifting transmission dispute production cars automatics inherently lossy manuals theory point mechanical advantages manual automatic easily lost driver skillful thing automatic advantage launch fact torque converter clutch sounds strange torque converter multiplies engine output launching functions sort limited continuously variable transmission typically torque multiplication times depending stall speed torque multiplier installed production automobile systems exist presently installed production autos aware commonly called viscous drive cvts fluidic amplifiers contrasted clutch slips feathered result mult convertor engine closer torque peak launch clutched fully engage driveline chevy proved years camaro terminal mile times close identical speed auto cars note major reason auto fewer gears manual slip convertor makes fewer ratios starts yelling proposed sspeed autos note manufacturers speed manulas past lauch converter begins coupling multiplication effect reduced correct bowers alfa ducati hobie kottke blad iaido nasa goodness sakes play guitar mary chapin carpenter 
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warning read originator storrs ncsu keywords brick rock danger violent teenagers reply storrs ncsu jerry storrs organization north carolina state university project lines article music triumf fred bach writes xref taco parents teens autos path taco gatech howland reston zaphod ohio state saimiri primate wisc caen destroyer unixg erich triumf music music triumf fred bach newsgroups parents teens autos subject warning read date organization triumf university meson facility lines distribution world message references nntp posting host erich triumf summary violent teenagers victims keywords brick rock danger violent teenagers news software vnews article jrowell intel janet rowell writes plase cease discussion fail people feel expound issue days days areas meant type discussion feel things thought request group people focus solving problems respectful differences hostility expressed original posting feels assault point hostility teenagers posts parents teens copy autos people group advice experience troubled teenagers follow news northwest heard group year boys barely teens outlook developed teens shot killed innocent riding seattle area mother driving honked horn boys upsetting makes stomach turn parent heart poor mother fred heart prayers mother victims senseless crimes folks group responsibility offer good advice suspect lots people world read comments feel missed point previous postings statement responsibility felt attack members group attempting make members group required answer people make statement people experienced problem found workable solution teenagers drive cars involved automotive vandalism crime newsgroup specific experience dealing violent teenage offenders kids time good advice hostile people sense potential victims good advice back make situation worse good advice local authorities schools problem prevalent interested people interested input restate sentence attack members group people input give make feel compelled respond continue conversation send mail repost attempt bait make post make suggestion group members matter advance jerry storrs system network manager living dept chemical engineering ncsu dead storrs ncsu preferred risen storrs ncsu luke lord risen statement made explicit belief writer employer 
wife convertible organization allen bradley lines nntp posting host tinman newsreader nuet keith nuetzman writes wife informed convertible resun jeff perry writes week show motor week gave results thought cars convertible category honda civic achieved honor side interior inexpensive dull vouch interior snazzy person television motorweek needless smiling time watch darned convertible diane dspalme comm 
passat advice sought organization grass valley group grass valley lines article hong rutgers hyunki hong writes market opinions passat compare toyota camry thought looked solid stable european disappointment offer airbao question offering automobiles airbags extra thousand smaller powerful passat caught airbag thing year airbags significant selling feature assumed automatic belts satisfy govt requirements passive restraint guess merican consumer make decisions based presence airbag hurting market check article week autoweek crisis golfs jettas coming plant mexico quality facility normal practice launch jetta delayed good chunk life design spent passats germany quality availability issue nice nice engine player market year time question leave passat camry flamewar 
auto conditioning freon distribution organization university illinois urbana lines article mgqlu writes working solid adsorption system auto applications kind system energy regenerating adsorbent exhaust interested mail email follow thread discussion prospects technology bite supposed work 
chevy sprint nntp posting host uhura rochester organization university rochester rochester york lines srinagesh gavirneni writes chevy sprint doors odometer turned sensor light started blinking dealer maintenance light change oxygen sensor changed bought thing happened quoted part install part cost mechanic sensor deep engine parts suggested wait till malfunctions owns chevy sprint oxygen sensors changed face problem fixing dealer results oxygen sensor malfunction greatly apprecisted sold sprint april driven previous july putting miles sensor light light regularly starting miles bought brother rebuilt engine original equipment suppose sensor replacement performance call change emissions increased emissions registered cylinder engine produce neat held engine block easily hand driven turbo variant curious adam edwards awds rochester 
opinions organization lehigh university lines article freenet chun writes previous article lehigh danny phornprapha budget sports specific models danny programmers danny phornprapha bugs endangered earth lucc student konsultant species needing protection work sports sports suspension stiff practicality comfort nissan turbo good good dose luxury lexus perfect manual transmission toyota supra coming performance supposed great race particulary mitsubishi dodge stealths heavy nimble handlers sports motion picture major brooks institute photography santa barbara foreign student kuala lumpur malaysia mind forerunner states thing turbo supra budget good lonely mark twain 
sport utility vehical comparisons opinions organization tattooed love boys lines distribution world nntp posting host glare cisco read articals road track driver wondering people opinions differed mags driven strong opinions ford explorer toyota runner nissan pathfinder leaning toyota success toyota trucks past thought strong opinions karl karl elvis macrae software release support cisco systems kmac batman shovels rakes implements destruction arlo guthrie 
saftey important organization centerline software lines nntp posting host tcorkum trevor corkum writes safety important factors buying depends priorities people higher priorities mileage cost safety buying unsafe econoboxes volvos personally middle ground thing point seatbelt bumpers figure collisions brick walls common spend extra money protection lots speed collisions worry frost jimf 
warning read nntp posting host uokmax uoknor organization engineering computer network university oklahoma norman lines article bqueiser ohio state brian queiser writes emptied asshole texas country reminds texas hear speaking french letter home french moves background french accented voice foreground talking walking beach felt home decided shoes rest clothes ended send bail autos note carry idea work part town regularly loaded question unloaded colt delta glove loaded magazine handy perfectly legal oklahoma times travelling inter state unloaded magnum revolver glove speed loader pocket legal federal illinois state police hanged stricly defense insurance replace life james james callison microcomputer coordinator oklahoma center callison uoknor callison uoknor disclaimer engineer play work forecast calls thunder bird hell thing killing munny unforgiven 
slick good nntp posting host uokmax uoknor organization engineering computer network university oklahoma norman lines hmm listening local radio expert amazingly honest expert amazing based conversations inventor slick longer comapny kind conflict avoids plague recommend teflon based type additives james james callison microcomputer coordinator oklahoma center callison uoknor callison uoknor disclaimer engineer play work forecast calls thunder bird hell thing killing munny unforgiven 
info opinions wanted cars article distribution nntp posting host plains nodak organization north dakota higher education computing network lines article jnielsen ohio state john nielsen writes article fibercom rhonda gaines writes market mazda served fine door relish thought moving carseat door criteria door cassette quick acceleration cruise control decent rear seat legroom husband footer preferably closer range rule accord cars caught toyota corolla toyata camry mazda pontiac grand pontiac grand prix honda accord civic roomy door model hyundai sonata small oldsmobile achieva opinions benchmarks recommendations grand achevia skylark frontal collsions outstanding qualities john object statement experience grand coupe firmly state outstanding qualities reliable great layout controls components roomy exterior size sharp inside drive exceptional power drivability compared similar cars driven drive dependable priced vehicle knock statement back specific reasons feel bell nodak john nielsen magnus consultant baldrick renaissance happened people wasn black adder 
nntp posting host organization university maryland college park lines wondering enlighten door sports looked late early called bricklin doors small addition front bumper separate rest body tellme model engine specs years production made history info funky mail brought neighborhood lerxst 
warning read organization purdue university stick automotive topics lines 
sport utility vehical comparisons opinions organization lawrence berkeley laboratory berkeley lines distribution nntp posting host news software vnews read articals road track driver wondering people opinions differed mags depending plan recommend browsing trailer boats pickup shotgun magazines rags recently graded gravel offroading sacks redwood chips bedload suvs robust station wagons approach applications demanding pick information sources vehicles short list explorer runner pathfinder recommend runner closely based robust pickup explorer comfortably carlike pathfinder good luck personal opinion people republic berkeley 
opel owners organization capital area central texas unix society austin lines article uiuc oriolefan writes gibbonsa darren gibbons writes information opel cars model truth seater roll headlights hard sporty friend sitting yard nice condition body wise transmission seized info cars engine compartment tight work fine shape interested darren gibbons gibbonsa manta sold buick dealers price leader sounds opel guess chassis kadett bigger manta easily wrong kadett sold buick opels craig chintan amin llama chintan amin mail llama construction hard area 
noisy engine organization digital equipment corporation lines nntp posting host opco people owners motor head gurus engine sounds noisy engine noisy times nice nose ugly noises change months months engine noise sounds quiet driving idling month mark change tracking months starts disgusting noise driving idling problem noticed performance drop acceleration tips appreciated worried 
super mega automobile sighting exotics xxdate organization arco long beach useragent nuntius lines article graham thomas grahamt gatech writes alright beat automobile sighting friday afternoon window long beach ferrari ragtop testarossa batman ferrari annual dinner place downstairs sweet 
warning read organization purdue university distribution lines post server neglected send message group automotive topics 
opel owners organization university illinois urbana lines boyle craig boyle writes article uiuc oriolefan writes gibbonsa darren gibbons writes information opel cars model truth seater roll headlights hard sporty friend sitting yard nice condition body wise transmission seized info cars engine compartment tight work fine shape interested darren gibbons gibbonsa manta sold buick dealers price leader sounds opel guess chassis kadett bigger manta easily wrong kadett sold buick opels craig manta european pretty kadett sold pontiac lemans early manta chintan amin mail llama construction hard area 
opel owners nntp posting host trojan convex organization convex computer corporation richardson distribution autos disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines article uiuc oriolefan writes gibbonsa darren gibbons writes information opel cars model truth seater roll headlights hard sporty gibbonsa manta sold buick dealers price leader chintan amin sounds opel neat cars drive sold buick remember correctly engine mods made parts interchangeable older models parts harder models parts general difficult find time whitney carried stuff including brand remfg long block kharman ghia spelling hosed project mark 
hail damage record reply stecz distribution organization pencom software lines article boyle craig boyle writes integra hard hailstorm austin insurance company check deductible week record settlements hailstorm craig rumor dell computer miata totalled john steczkowski stecz constitution grants life liberty pursuit happiness attempt guarantee happy 
talon keywords regal fiberglass parts nntp posting host uhura rochester organization university rochester rochester lines article thing eagle talon heard freind talons released true differences opinions replies prefer mail hasit mehta university rochester primus sucks rochester captain crunch frizzle 
changing nntp posting host elba organization progress software corp lines hanguyen nguyen writes article damelio stephen amelio writes bmoss brent woody moss writes screw driver hammer start punching holes locations black slippery stuff starts pouring drain plug nearby foot close holes toilet paper refileing refill engine engine change forget punch holes radiator spray nice refreshing water engine nice cool steve make confused radiator located release radiation sounds radia tion genera punch holes releases radiation faster punch holes radiation engine scientific term horsepower torque torque read mile long threads subject wrong horsepower power horse make pulling subaru torque invented craftsman wrench steve 
warning read organization government ontario lines vlasis vlasis theodore writes tobias allen tobias writes article erik happened year washington beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided cool throw huge rocks cars overpass cars injuries sadly small sitting front seat struck head larger rocks recall made comatose month doctors holding hope live hell happening great country boyhood pranks peeing bridges pound rocks society stooped erik velapold society coming seams basic reason human life devalued point killing deal hundreds murderous acts abort children demand kill sick surprised kids drop rocks kill people care message hear life cheap people fortunatly unfortunatly experiencing devaluation human life developed nations american raised europe worst thing happen broken pocket picked slaves russian refugees cource nutcases extremely rare greece walk neighborhood time night worrying germany walk sidewalks back sanitation crews clean streets sparkling cleen dont easy answers nation selfcritisism postings sould culture reduce crime insurance rates spend money modifing cars posting autos tech revelant vlasis theodore software engineer mobile communications development remember happening michigan ohio years back group beater rear state canadians stop smack kill sake cops decoys calmed vlasis safe walking germany refugee 
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ignition kill organization space telescope science institute newsreader version lines wanted netters posted response mail ignition kill question simple procedure paying local boys visit weekend 
clutch question grinding noise nntp posting host crchh organization lines article wrat uucp wharfie writes article jcyuhn nosubdomain nodomain james yuhn writes clutch hearing gearbox early shos referred gear rollover noise generally shos built mine make noise geez wharfie difficult mine built december qualifies pretty dang early grinds 
kubelwagen organization space telescope science institute newsreader version lines answer question sort volkswagen robust version army vehicle early thereabouts called volskwagen thing convertible havent good luck 
dumbest automotive concepts time organization corporation open systems distribution lines houston geoquest writes article callison uoknor james callison writes article houston geoquest writes ugly fake wheel compartments stuck trunk side sides tacky luxury cars fake talking continental named lincoln continental sport personally love bird continental supercharged beautiful cars built imho lincoln continental find part edsel ford designed abortion named justice admit nice bird previous owner thunderbirds biased 
dumbest automotive concepts time organization corporation open systems distribution lines franklinkl writes article callison uoknor james callison writes article houston geoquest writes article smith writes aftermarket business cars factory vynal fake convertible aftermarket place amazes people taste ugly fake wheel compartments stuck trunk side sides tacky luxury cars fake talking continental named lincoln continental sport personally love bird continental supercharged beautiful cars built imho james continental modern auto mount spare rear sport mounting techniques rear mounting spare common early automobiles foreign thirties buick packard spares mounted wells front fenders back front fenders long provide room couple marques memory fades franklin heaven people wait gwrra laugh sinners saints sinners lots good young 
dumbest automotive concepts time organization corporation open systems distribution world lines callison uoknor james callison writes article houston geoquest writes article parr ucalgary charles parr writes long time motorcyclist understood posessed auto builders delicate controls skill finesse clutches brakes floor hand control easier early days functions power assist legs strength activate traditional people hard time hand clutch brake motorcycle easy handlebars limited range turning steering wheels hand turn fine electrical relays cruise control airbag lose clutch brake short circuit shades edsel pushbuttons steering wheel controlled auto tranny disconcerting shift reverse turning corner wires shorted workarounds reason hand power clutch brakes lightening point finesse controls suitable hand increse mechanical complexity substantially power brakes power brakes experimental joystick steering wheel useless imho automotive oddity separate keys trunks doors ignitions earth separate trunk security reasons totally separate lockable container door ignition ehh guess james james callison microcomputer coordinator oklahoma center callison uoknor callison uoknor disclaimer engineer play work forecast calls thunder bird hell thing killing munny unforgiven 
warning read organization anhedonics anonymous lines nntp posting host hipmac pica army article tobias allen tobias wrote society coming seams basic reason human life devalued point killing deal hundreds murderous acts abort children demand kill sick surprised kids drop rocks kill people care message hear life cheap overheated highway robbers part life middle ages human nature history rose colored glasses random acts violence ceaseless part heritage life random individual acts violence historically significant record keeping past good retain steve wall 
chevy sprint organization texas university academic computing services lines distribution world nntp posting host zeus tamu news software vnews article srinagesh gavirneni writes chevy sprint doors odometer turned sensor light started blinking dealer maintenance light change oxygen sensor changed bought thing happened quoted part install part cost mechanic sensor deep engine parts suggested wait till malfunctions owns chevy sprint oxygen sensors changed face problem fixing dealer results oxygen sensor malfunction greatly apprecisted nagesh owned sprint beginning sensor light time check light delaer time work parts labor labor sprint times service payment sheet replacement oxygen sensor heck oxygen sensor thing replaced purring kitten mother nature heard oxygen sensor major service tires replaced call service rotor distributor gasket replaced past months good tune replace bill home worry remembered sensor light bothers fuse turn signal lever dash swith side flip switch light light annoy find manuel hope helped good luck oxygen sensor thomas mail address give army west point tamu graduates battle give handful texas aggies creator power george patton 
electronic odometers question reply jimii warford organization nimbus technology santa clara lines article duke greer writes wondering shed light electronic odometers remember total elapsed mileage kind memory stable reliable volatile independent battery power years life vehicle amazed expected work length time light gizmos work good work months breaking thomsom timekeeper clock bytes nvram lithium battery backup battery life years poweroff operation installed left powered continuously draw current battery auto battery dead removed side question legal ramifications selling replaced odometer starts miles actual miles fraud fairly easy price odometer miles buyer california line transfer ownership form states odometer mileage correct incorrect required fill guesstimate correct mileage form caught prosecuted buyer mileage differential faster horses younger women older whiskey money 
aftermarket units organization purdue university engineering computer network distribution lines bartel comments question comment make aftermarket units frost king frost temp forget aftermarket unit cavalier unhappy noisy aftermarket installed vehicles trust quality performance experience installed ford garage work installed factory pickups identical mine talked people result probable ford ernie smith agree dealer make factory installed honda excluded bought installed factory needed parts true factory install bigger radiator designed properly place point dealer installed good factory service bums mess installing scratches screwdriver holes seats parts reinstalled correctly screws service manager dealer years dealer floormats 
master cylinder organization university southern california angeles lines distribution world nntp posting host mizar responded honda accord break question master cylinder mechanic double check simpler cheaper responses sounds master cylinder joni 
wanted opinions nntp posting host dreams concordia organization concordia university lines wondering land opinions general reliable cars summer approaching convertibles interested opinions appreciated dave dave chui dept elec comp concordia university voice maisonneuve montreal quebec canada email davec concordia 
taurus question organization massachusetts institute technology lines nntp posting host article rseymour writes taurus straight super high output show yamaha dohc valves spoken technical staff ford times assure internally ford called taurus show show long sound refer sounds assume purist fans owners prefer ford lingo gardner 
kuebelwagen lines nntp posting host reid indiana organization indiana university article thwang purdue tommy hwang writes spelling forgot spell series exams hand reference cute wwii jeep wanna replica great thing kubelwagen lookalike manufactured mexico possibly south america good luck importing meet safety pollution requirements mechanics junkyards specialize helpful finding thing wwii enacters grabbed wwii kubelwagen german equivalent jeep wheel drive display patton museum fort knox kentucky rare schwimwagen amphibious version full scale dioramas highly recommended frank reid indiana 
auto conditioning freon nntp posting host reply rapw organization distribution lines article behanna chris behanna writes chemists substitutes hear mobile conditioning society macs people stand rake retrofit automobile mounted organized campaign squash substitutes existence altogether shaky technical grounds outright lies worst wrong substitutes exist sounds carbs companies mark 
honda groups nntp posting host bronze indiana organization indiana university distribution lines honda groups deal preludes spencer 
dumbest automotive concepts time reply bhtulin amherst message organization organization lines article bhtulin amherst barak tulin started reading thread today forgive mentioned deal renault putting horn left hand turn signal stalk button washer button wiper washer stalk frenchies figure wiring steering wheel alliance long time comfortable sluggish horn stalk couple months worth bought chevy horn steering wheel grey irons 
rush fast organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply cwru andrew spencer nntp posting host cwru previous article technik muenchen christian huebner brad viewlogic bradford kellogg writes talking form rush evidently terrified kind rush bobsledding makes feel stroll park good driver terrified thing fear drivers switch left lane rear view mirror flashers rush faster point terrified drive fast hazard flame read mail address talking live germany chris technik muenchen flame point scared feel handle drivers stupid pull lengths yeah real smart scares cities make recognizable close reading newspaper sigh america speed limits drivers dumb realise reading paper breakfast work thoughts drew 
buying story christ dealer service scam nntp posting host reply rapw organization distribution lines article houston geoquest writes relates experience similar mine part videotaped front door sales manager shouts entire showroom customers ahead deserve nissan friend bought sentra kind behavior shocked experience crying loud turkeys talk customers stay business expect sales people scrape grovel presence expect abused surprised sales people talked negotiating sessions overheard neighboring sales cubicles evidently success rate high continue business people easy intimidate hand price haggling approach saturn starting guess fixed price fair approach homework find invoice prices reasonable profit dealer offer price stick abusive leave screw deal agreed mark 
braindead drivers ahead keywords drivers nntp posting host earth organization cambridge technology partners distribution lines article herschel mayo writes guess meant drive freeways clogged solid large packs semis trucks cars descriptions close rolling clusterf highway desire vehicle rolling accident place happen pass passing posted takes blown tire moron tramping brakes turn pack cloud shredded metal flying glass burning vehicles maintain free space mess minimal chance avoid mass crash means maintaining clear space shortdriving morons dying pass bodycount bother letting morons pass glue pack ahead interval filled back work road filled trapping increasing pack slight possibility lane open ahead glad move hell block passers good stupid realize comment people decide good decide carrying badge made capable determining hell find problem minding business minding business give room make things easy letting front politely directional hand decides block general asshole make life miserable long affect minding business phrase describe appointed traffic police mind business stay lane belong rule philosophy feel offed stupidity worry idiot position cash chips mayo mustang pitas bpita epping cambridge geddy disclaimer opinions mine 
changing nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university distribution lines article gwalker grays walker writes crawl machine boat pulls suction stick tube excellent moving suction tube drain plug paid marine steel wait cools decant favorite device soft drink bottles easy local recycle center yeah suppose broken knuckles rust eyes bath burns exhaust steve 
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arctic wheels auto show organization worcester polytechnic institute lines nntp posting host bernoulli things world plymouth small opec nation fuel good thing smashers home sulk jacques brouillette manufacturing engineering 
opel owners nntp posting host silver indiana organization indiana university lines uiuc oriolefan writes boyle craig boyle writes article uiuc oriolefan writes gibbonsa darren gibbons writes information opel cars model truth seater roll headlights hard sporty friend sitting yard nice condition body wise transmission seized info cars engine compartment tight work fine shape interested darren gibbons gibbonsa manta sold buick dealers price leader sounds opel guess chassis kadett bigger manta easily wrong kadett sold buick opels craig manta european pretty kadett sold pontiac lemans early manta chintan amin mail llama construction hard area bzzt manta door sedan engine referred opel manta cars mliggett indiana mliggett bitnet junk collector toys antiauthoritarian frogs iguanas herps 
ftermarket exhausts organization university waterloo lines process half decent aftermarket sport exhaust found pacesetter exhaust ansa exhaust canadian funds wondering anyhting exhausts exhausts interested main priorities decent horse power increase nice note added power thinking remus leistritz exhausts muffler find good deal cost states mail back information mike welker 
waxing organization colorado springs division lines nntp posting host fajita chrysler painted told refrain waxing leave supposedly volatiles escape paint month smell feet lets slight irregularites surface flow paint remains soft 
mbenz series passat lines nntp posting host erasure emory boss interested series mercedes benz wagon testimonial evidence strong opinions line hear power manual reliability feel unusually good features line drives passat plagued electrical problems dealer claims wrong doors habit locking unlocking driving road automatic shoulder restraints move back move larger engine dissatisfied lack power wagon power peculiar problems passat electrical system saab letters comparisons line mercedes helpful price impediment jeremy corry churchill claimed traditions jcorry emory navy mutiny sodomy opinions 
step accessory lines netters find information device vans trucks device step hooks tire folds storage device shady tree mechanic good product price address purchase product george chan email syst ryerson 
importing volvo organization world public access unix brookline lines article business week weeks subject fact volvo cars laid andrew page warrior poet decision effort archer arrow consultant difference macintosh technology 
reply tpickett pickett organization auspex systems engineering lines nntp posting host article jimf frost writes give reasons designed turn speeds designed stop quickly speeds safety mechanisms designed impacts speeds uncontrolled environment leads unpredictable circumstances turn stop notice chance access idea designed handles wondering pickett tpickett goze 
noisy engine organization clearer blir lines nntp posting host lanmola engr washington article tomacj enet thunderbirds writes owners motor head gurus engine sounds noisy engine noisy times nice nose ugly noises assuming turbo gruffness characteristic large inline balance shafts guess toyota care details brag engine configuration flashy styling automatically cross consideration recommendation inline larger liters balance shafts good rule thumb mind halfway decent engine noise bugs sell eliot 
warning read keywords brick truck danger organization bogart graphics development lines article neil boeing neil williams writes long subject years riding front toyota pickup heading south interstate north seattle threw rock overpass windshield accident impossible overpass quickly figured kids reported left couple years happend killed company fourties left wife children turned reformatory juviniles blocks caught year cover overpass execute juvi grounds reformatory required attendendence rest inmates incident quick trial effect make dent forget story neil williams boeing computer services bellevue mackey tomm boeing boeing computer services uunet bcstec voodoo tomm seattle 
warning read organization bogart graphics development lines article neilson robert neilson writes auto content abiding citizens power protect property deadly force threat imminent steve heracleous power steve shoot kids tossing rocks cars make good miss rocks kids absolutely correct streak meanness runs deeper stronger experienced height racial struggles absolutely convinced kids today concept wrong human intelligence turning greatest predators walked earth prevail rest humanity decides interest stand feral humans individuals start taking responsibility protection state individuals turn authorities police protection police government composed feral humans originally sought protection guess touched button cool mackey tomm boeing boeing computer services uunet bcstec voodoo tomm seattle 
impala production organization colorado computer operation lines bring back biscayne 
warning read organization national university singapore newsreader lines mchaffee michael chaffee writes significantly automobiles argue animals stealing cars mention committing completely senseless acts violence rape valued terms money human beings submit human beings callison track absolutely scratch bothers death number scum feel admit people realise mere fact piece flesh moves approximate shape human rights 
dirty diesels nntp posting host opal organization motorola cellular infrastructure group distribution lines heard diesels considered cleaner burning engines emit carbon monoxide hydrocarbons oxides nitrogen particulate matter heard legislation discussed clean diesel emissions works install scrubbers diesels feasibility installing trucks cars catylitic converter assume easier removing particulate matter converting gasses hear people opinions natarajan nataraja motorola cellular arlington 
wife convertible organization private site marcos california lines cwru andrew spencer writes previous article dspalme diane palme nuet keith nuetzman writes wife informed convertible resun jeff perry writes week show motor week gave results thought cars convertible category honda civic achieved honor vouch interior snazzy person television motorweek needless smiling time watch darned convertible simply inquire people honestly convertible porsche patent targa convertible means center lifts term targa porsches rear window rolls convertible rear window convertible coupe convertible integrated roll addition 
article reed reply rseymour organization reed college portland lines article lerxst thing writes wondering enlighten door sports looked late early called bricklin doors small addition front bumper separate rest body tellme model engine specs years production made history info funky mail bricklins manufactured engines ford encased front bumper hemmings motor news ususally listed basically performance ford styling slapped brought neighborhood lerxst rush robert seymour rseymour physics philosophy reed college nextmail accepted artificial life project reed college reed solar energy project soltrain portland 
mazda good deal nntp posting host elvis reply ravi ravi puvvala organization motorola codex lines netters good deal mazda performance review mazda good reply read group advance ravi ravi kiran puvvala purpose education ravi assimilation facts blow motorola codex boston money ravi puvvala 
opel owners organization capital area central texas unix society austin lines article uiuc oriolefan writes boyle craig boyle writes article uiuc oriolefan writes gibbonsa darren gibbons writes information opel cars model truth seater roll headlights hard sporty friend sitting yard nice condition body wise transmission seized info cars engine compartment tight work fine shape interested darren gibbons gibbonsa manta sold buick dealers price leader sounds opel guess chassis kadett bigger manta easily wrong kadett sold buick opels craig manta european pretty european manta bodies chance manta generations coupe version ascona time kadett sold pontiac lemans true kadett market years lemans kadett latest version craig early manta cars sports coupe chintan amin mail llama construction hard area 
hail damage record organization capital area central texas unix society austin distribution lines article stecz writes article boyle craig boyle writes integra hard hailstorm austin insurance company check deductible week record settlements hailstorm craig rumor dell computer miata totalled guess hail ripped worth hail damage miata body craig john steczkowski stecz constitution grants life liberty pursuit happiness attempt guarantee happy 
dealer cheated wrong odometer reading organization university washington seattle lines distribution nntp posting host hardy washington story bought weeks finally hold previous owner maintanence history instrument pannel replaced odometer reset true meter reading reading replacement current mileage shows mile difference comparing mileage odometer disclosure dealer told important story hope return full refund similar experiences comments appreciated yongje washington 
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nissan altima seller organization university virginia lines boyle writes article thang chin heng thang writes recently altima seller past months true puzzled obvious untruth nissan claims altima selling namelplate verbatim iaccoca statistics dept proud sentence totally models cars sold form altima seller eliminating accord taurus people make claim minivan outsellin implying nissan quest murcury villager selling chrysler mini vans true stupid claim make commercial part introduction campaign vans kind bold statement make sold thought buick oldsmobile shame nissan mercury interpretations craig anyhting cars sold past months tony 
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fast nntp posting host uokmax uoknor organization engineering computer network university oklahoma norman lines article cwru andrew spencer writes previous article callison uoknor james callison article cwru andrew spencer writes previous article wrat uucp wharfie shows brakes inch forget discs vented front normal taurus setup smaller discs front drums rear vented rears sales fool titanium wheels yeah told magnesium believable crap cheaper good tend agree standard running regular basis brakes bigger corrados braking regulations bird computer controlled adjustable suspension wheel disks vented front rear point rears vented belts sturdy passenger compartment aerodynamics good nascar change supercharged wheel independent suspension limited slip differential speed excess rides rated tires find speed rating standard james hate reading damn posts shouldn answering damn question aware fact mention bird mentioned discussion stangs spec birds specs quoted previous poster sounded anemic snuff disencourage wishing make means ford added extra safety tossed larger brakes wheels plenty large memory serves motor plenty powerful point similar characteristics front rear disks high output wheel independent suspension good aerodynamics point harness rubber speed standard flamage curiousity james james callison microcomputer coordinator oklahoma center callison uoknor callison uoknor disclaimer engineer play work forecast calls thunder bird hell thing killing munny unforgiven 
plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences organization texas university college station lines distribution nntp posting host tamuts tamu user recently requested info shadow sundance cars public responses people experiences cars daryl daryl biberdorf biberdorf sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura 
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warning read organization spectragraphics corporation lines article keys ncsl nist lawrence keys writes back driving high overpass night diego caught glimpse overpass passed rock slammed metal winshield front window girlfriend seat called police exit doubt found years diego coma brick thrown sunroof driving subsequently crashed coma heard couple years group brought idea bombed waco cult children minor fact defending people attacking threatened attacked compound years promiscuous religious constitute grounds mass murder koresh followers posting group thought previous post needed rebuttal follow portion cross post direct follow newsgroup boyd johnson nosc spectra johnson diego california intermittent newsfeed selected groups opinions match employer 
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saturn puzzled pricing distribution nntp posting host ucalgary organization university calgary alberta lines article jnielsen ohio state john nielsen writes article jimf frost writes jnielsen ohio state john nielsen writes lowest price called capitalism news capitalism practice maximizing profits difference lower costs increase profits personally bothered saturn pricing scheme selling dealer competition dealer competitive charging making kind profit capitalism power consumer dictate things cost dealers dictates cost negotiation front honda dealership dickering removed larger economic scale saturn sell price price drops company stops building remains negotiated controlled market forces consumer controls price ludicrous consumer controled price cars free build cars charles span weeks heard elements separate threads conjoined time struck form chord hollow echoing gourd unknown person 
build toyota badged organization lines distribution world nntp posting host useragent nuntius xxmessage xxdate appeared today japan economic journal reported plans build toyota badged sale japan bruce macdonald corporate communications yesterday confirmed president jack smith meeting recently tatsuro toyoda president toyota meeting discussed business opportunities increase exports japan including component sales completed vehicle sales parts sales presidents agreed conceptually pursue arrangement build toyota badged hand drive vehicle sale toyota japan working group formed finalize model specifications exact timing details 
changing nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article andyh brandei andrew huang writes article sorlin ohio state steven orlin writes electrodes volt meter connect earlobe symmetrically insert fingers spark plug boots cheating hands couple questions technique firing order start pointer finger pinky left hand place hands flat table arrange firing order left cylinders unaccounted suggestions friends cylinders excitement person 
series nntp posting host grok columbiasc reply columbiasc organization corporation lines article qazi aamir hafeez qazi writes article eabu alvin liter supposed enlarged liters distant future makes sense mercedes benz engines beleive numbers engines upmanship induce create larger lagged time bavarians shown schwabians engines released daniel 
warning read nntp posting host mudd houston geoquest organization geoquest system houston lines article callison uoknor james callison writes hear screwing setting alarm taunting damn colt delta elite coming screwing shot potential physical danger taunting intend physically harmful things houston year woman heard sound garage investigate hand found process stealing bicycle asked stop refused began taunting woman quoted police report told ahead shoot moron survived charges filed woman 
rush fast organization loral software productivity laboratory lines good driver terrified thing fear drivers switch left lane rear view mirror flashers rush faster defense drivers lane states people simply expect driving overtaken speed differential stupid exceptions programmed limit states rear view calculate future positions cars based speed differential dont wrong love drive left lane fast overtake cars slow rely judgement recognize speed differential stupid 
squeekin windows organization distribution lines consumer reports wrote blazer shook rattled tired taxi noise expecially irritating back window squeaks tailgate assembly window solid problem found fixes arlen martin microelectronics attme stcarm 
mazda feel lines nntp posting host sscvx organization superconducting super collider laboratory article mohan writes mazda miles recently good feeling road pavement driving feels wandering grip road tires original threads passes penny head test shocks struts alignment checked things fine feel dont grip road feel wandering turns appreciated shots check tires wear bars problem area tires pass penny test bars guide problem call hydroplaning tread left channel water tire fishy lifts road tires soft tire compounds harder heat cycles harder compounds grip soft effect noticable tires competition hits tires benson 
rush fast organization university illinois urbana lines loral gary mahan writes good driver terrified thing fear drivers switch left lane rear view mirror flashers rush faster defense drivers lane states people simply expect driving overtaken speed differential stupid exceptions programmed limit states rear view calculate future positions cars based speed differential dont wrong love drive left lane fast overtake cars slow rely judgement recognize speed differential stupid good work afterall cops occupied lesser mortals left bhaskar uiuc 
dumbest automotive concepts time distribution nntp posting host uokmax uoknor organization engineering computer network university oklahoma norman lines article franklinkl writes article callison uoknor james callison writes article houston geoquest writes article smith writes aftermarket business cars factory vynal fake convertible aftermarket place amazes people taste ugly fake wheel compartments stuck trunk side sides tacky luxury cars fake talking continental named lincoln continental sport personally love bird continental supercharged beautiful cars built imho james continental modern auto mount spare rear sport mounting techniques rear mounting spare common early automobiles foreign lincoln continental sport continental continental confused olde mounting bracket continental specific ornament storage compartment continental neat trunk laundry hamper imho james james callison microcomputer coordinator oklahoma center callison uoknor callison uoknor disclaimer engineer play work forecast calls thunder bird hell thing killing munny unforgiven 
nntp posting host uokmax uoknor organization engineering computer network university oklahoma norman lines article david arbor david hwang writes article wrat uucp wharfie writes article chriss chris silvester writes wagon heard slightly faster coupe wagon automatic slower rear ratio automatics rear ends manuals limited experience rear gears taurus front wheel drive vehicle back checked article wagon quicker automatic significantly slower real order automatic transmission handle stick stick regular taurus leave real drivers real drivers stick disabled persons position removed automatic transmissions performance type cars mustangs camaros number accidents year autos fine sedate sedans business performance cars imho james james callison microcomputer coordinator oklahoma center callison uoknor callison uoknor disclaimer engineer play work forecast calls thunder bird hell thing killing munny unforgiven 
good price organization itesm campus monterrey lines nntp posting host mtecv itesm honda civic coupe dealer including installed including stereo registration fees live mexico time dealers compare prices dealer mcallen good price mail asap post orlando pugliese opuglies itesm orlando pugliese instituto tecnologico estudios superiores monterrey depto informacion academica monterrey mexico 
plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences organization purdue university engineering computer network distribution lines article tamu daryl biberdorf writes user recently requested info shadow sundance cars public responses people experiences cars daryl pretty junk stay replaced year models 
buying story christ dealer service scam organization distribution lines article markm mark monninger kind behavior shocked experience crying loud turkeys talk customers stay business expect sales people scrape grovel presence expect abused surprised sales people talked negotiating sessions overheard neighboring sales cubicles evidently success rate high continue business people easy intimidate couple months dealership test drive discuss prices explained wanted drove color wanted dealer network negotiated price signed deal call explains goofed neglected account price increase price increase occurred months prior visit wanted fork alternative honor price bought test drove sitting months miles goodbye good lowball cover butts people demand honesty types dealers longer business dealership straightforward honest thing salesman lets dealer cost work profit make deal problems steve 
electronic odometer organization research laboratories tigard oregon lines article alung aaron lung writes mistaken altering odometer illegal surmise tough alter odometer newer electronic odometers making tamperproof cars mentioned series late electronic odometer mechanical drum type odometer driven pulses speed sensor rear axle pulses converted mechanical pulses turn odometer speedometer changing erasing eprom change mileage reading means odometer easy hard change mechanical odometer hand easier disconnect speed sensor speedometer odometer reading simple switch disable speed limiter enable reach full speed alan peterman work rain older days longer years shorter 
insurance totalled nntp posting host dfwvx dallas geoquest reply baker sinet organization schlumberger data services dallas lines wednesday morning driver decided illegally turn left front great damage honda civic body shop insurance company total able touch person handling claim checked things payout blue book retail loan trade give advice insurance company give reasonable amount loss james baker baker dallas geoquest 
options great nntp posting host ucalgary organization university calgary alberta lines list options existing options things tripmeter great gadget lets rough track mileage makes good guesser gauge full size spare built mountings power systems radar detectors fitting generate household current engine running plug trunk engine compartment cabin feel free charles span weeks heard elements separate threads conjoined time struck form chord hollow echoing gourd unknown person 
dumb options list nntp posting host ucalgary organization university calgary alberta lines idea list pointless options stuff earthly power windows charles span weeks heard elements separate threads conjoined time struck form chord hollow echoing gourd unknown person 
rush fast organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply cwru andrew spencer nntp posting host cwru previous article loral gary mahan good driver terrified thing fear drivers switch left lane rear view mirror flashers rush faster defense drivers lane states people simply expect driving overtaken speed differential stupid exceptions programmed limit states rear view calculate future positions cars based speed differential dont wrong love drive left lane fast overtake cars slow rely judgement recognize speed differential stupid satiate curiosity make stupid aware calculate future position mirrors glance able faster precisely pass talking driver startled startled drivers cruising doin problem fault barreling fault paying attention task hand oddly time happened liscence startled passed cars roughly speed occurance fact happen long trips drive happen long trips adrenaline experiences speeding limit adrenalizing scared caught raise limit attention curious otwo drew 
squeekin windows distribution organization idaho river country salmon payette clearwater boise selway priest newsreader version lines arlen martin wrote consumer reports wrote blazer shook rattled tired taxi noise expecially irritating back window squeaks tailgate assembly window solid problem found fixes relate greasing point grease cheap hinges tailgate quiet time grease works hinges hinge pins made penny nails vibration worse vibration transmission gear miles bought treated easily fast road stuff build chevies ford explorers nice price burrill 
saturn pricing policy organization wayne state university lines distribution world reply pass wayne nntp posting host pookie pass wayne ordered saturn imports frankly saturn business service bought bought honda back unbelieveably offended salespeople saturn made visits dealer bought pressured saturn sales support fixed pricing made easy decide wanted selling point running mechanic dealer fixing imports years bought saturn based heard customers saturn good extended warranty program year miles fully refunded works actual cost based year treasury rates savings account rates years buys free rental warranty work counting refund mike 
nntp posting host dseg organization forest lane design center lines article callison uoknor james callison writes article david arbor david hwang writes article wrat uucp wharfie writes article chriss chris silvester writes order automatic transmission handle stick stick regular taurus leave real drivers real drivers stick disabled persons position removed automatic transmissions performance type cars mustangs camaros number accidents year autos fine sedate sedans business performance cars imho james disagree speed auto overdrive chevy autos reknowned long life ability handle copious amount power live dallas area manual harder drive traffic lived sticks manual safety wise auto distracting hate shifting gears ease traffic freeways performance wise hold stock mustang camaro speed imho robert loper infinity notion contemplated robertll dseg warm texas instruments opinions 
fast organization unisql austin texas lines article jimf frost writes larger engine slightly modified family sedan powerful engine bother improving brakes shows brakes inch forget discs vented front normal taurus setup smaller discs front drums rear argument boils driven fast frost designed fast pfftt attention postings damn straight people makes stuff pawn truth lies listen television wharf 
york taxi distribution organization unisql austin texas lines article tnelson canada nelson writes older taxis made checker company love checker company business checker motors business hard checkers worth restoring fleet vehicle driven ground body decent shape mechanicals checker parts instance chevy straight truck radiator ford rear mine model checker marathon checker special find good luck mine 
differences insurance companies rates keywords insurance organization department stanford university california distribution lines buying called insurance companies california estimates asked coverage deductibles companies charge code charge city gave code city places found integra state farm allstate profit expect receive back year huge companies state farm allstate suspicious heard complain comments gregg kasten gregg stanford 
honda accord brake problem organization adobe systems incorporated lines joni ciarletta writes honda accord magic mile mark sorts things beginning latest problem experiencing brakes stop fine stopped completely brake pedal sink inches feels strange worried brakes quit working days checked brake fluid reservoir full fluid looked dirty dirty called mechanic told brake master cylinder cost whopping honda accord miles started showing behavior replaced brake master cylinder hour cost beats paying wanted rebuild master cylinder putting rebuilt cost rebuild honda brake master cylinder easy bolts attach engine compartment brake lines enter master cylinder tricky part brake lines stuck tight craftsmen open wrench rounded bolt heads vise grips loosen suckers invention sliced bread easy bolt part place brake fluid bleed brakes easy beginner local auto parts store repair manual honda accord detailed diagrams master brake cylinder step step procedure replacing 
options great organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply john daker nntp posting host previous article parr ucalgary charles parr list options existing options things tripmeter great gadget lets rough track mileage makes good guesser gauge full size spare built mountings power systems radar detectors fitting generate household current engine running plug trunk engine compartment cabin feel free power windows darkman significant problems face solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion 
manual shift bigots organization wayne state university lines distribution world reply pass wayne nntp posting host pookie pass wayne shifting ability ordered auto trans planning driving convinced things changed days slip slide withe powerglide shift clutch wear honda wanted wagon year costs milage highway makes easier concentrate radios oddly friends auto industry motor city switched wholeheartedly autos wives insist manual shift envy braggadocio today technology warranties handing auto trans excellent choice call convert mike 
saturn manual transmission problem organization wayne state university lines distribution world reply pass wayne nntp posting host pookie pass wayne article cimjfg utica writes trips dealer admittedly patient admittedly dealer follow bulletin review proper shifing procedures owner attempt satisfaction customer number round sound hopeful surprised local case saturn back times complain properly eliminated rattling noise saturn gave call number 
fast organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply cwru andrew spencer nntp posting host cwru previous article wrat uucp wharfie article jimf frost writes larger engine slightly modified family sedan powerful engine bother improving brakes shows brakes inch forget discs vented front normal taurus setup smaller discs front drums rear vented rears sales fool titanium wheels yeah told magnesium believable crap cheaper good tend agree standard running regular basis brakes bigger corrados braking regulations drew 
organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply cwru andrew spencer nntp posting host cwru previous article dseg robert loper article callison uoknor james callison writes article david arbor david hwang writes article wrat uucp wharfie writes article chriss chris silvester writes order automatic transmission handle stick stick regular taurus leave real drivers real drivers stick disabled persons position removed automatic transmissions performance type cars mustangs camaros number accidents year autos fine sedate sedans business performance cars imho james disagree speed auto overdrive chevy autos reknowned long life ability handle copious amount power live dallas area manual harder drive traffic lived sticks manual safety wise auto distracting hate shifting gears ease traffic freeways performance wise hold stock mustang camaro speed imho disagree loved dallas rush hour stick detested auto time auto dalls rush hours hear lived persuasion record rarely shift gears merging traffic speeds good good time wind hurt powerband shift gear exceeding redline fairly rare drive ferrari cruising speed feel comfortable mother sitting passanger seat complaining wind poor engine drew 
dents lines turn police accident report send insurance company contact insurance company accident caused court friend mine money work 
ultimate vehicles organization distribution lines article sylveste umass writes called turbo quattro model wagon quick wagon rare mike sylvester umass turbo quattro wagon monday thought audi stopped selling wagons type vehicle price times budget deblock number letter bell labs somerset 
legal buying problems organization megatest corporation newsreader distribution lines rboudrie boudrie writes article swdc stratus hutson writes agreeing terms signed contract drove home night noticed terms terms agreed made stupid mistake checking contract happened saturday heard cooling allowing days reconsider contract true point transaction happened dealership matters cooling period applies situations ewhen solicited home cooling period ends accept merchandise case buyer return slightly highly devalued days buying yeah trick firend return negotiate deal owned agree terms sign dealer slips contract terms leads embodies terms verbally agreed fraud limit restitution fraud threaten john oswalt 
legal buying problems organization university oregon lines distribution nntp posting host oregon uoregon news software vnews article rboudrie boudrie writes article swdc stratus hutson writes agreeing terms signed contract drove home night noticed terms terms agreed made stupid mistake checking contract happened saturday heard cooling allowing days reconsider contract true point transaction happened dealership matters cooling period applies situations ewhen solicited home cooling period ends accept merchandise case buyer return slightly highly devalued days buying yeah trick firend return negotiate deal owned discussion purposes hand proven changed terms thrown question agreement merger clause parol evidence talking warranties looked information conclusive daniel reitman uniform commercial code protects innocent purchaser shield conniver blindly naive hopelessly gullible atlas auto rental corp weisberg misc city 
rush fast organization loral software productivity laboratory lines dont wrong love drive left lane fast overtake cars slow rely udgement recognize speed differential stupid satiate curiosity make stupid aware couldnt agree work people motorcycles constantly scan wink mirrors mirrors spend time checking cops caught guard didnt word time plan blow high speed differential assume safe sees stupid depends circumstances scary instances assumed dont fault story 
dumb options list organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply cwru andrew spencer nntp posting host cwru previous article parr ucalgary charles parr idea list pointless options stuff earthly fitting generate household current engine running plug trunk engine compartment cabin feel free charles span weeks heard elements separate threads conjoined time struck form chord hollow echoing gourd unknown person 
rush fast organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply cwru andrew spencer nntp posting host cwru previous article loral gary mahan dont wrong love drive left lane fast overtake cars slow rely udgement recognize speed differential stupid satiate curiosity make stupid aware couldnt agree work people motorcycles constantly scan wink mirrors mirrors spend time checking cops caught guard didnt word time plan blow high speed differential assume safe sees stupid depends circumstances scary instances assumed dont fault story agree proved ideally supposed happen rearely passing makes stupid agree safe supposed paying attention dumb dumber hasta drew 
dumbest automotive concepts time organization university wisconsin milwaukee lines reply laszlo nntp posting host originator laszlo article john daker holders driving importantant undertaking ashtrays smokers fine road absence cupholder discourage eating drinking distraction spill smoker cold takes skill toss butt cracked window wind deflect back seat smokers window reminds pleasant feature ergonomically hellish interior alfa romeo milano cigarette removing hand wheel tray fake convertible roofs vinyl roofs gold trim agree abominations fake continental spare tire watching ladies load groceries trunk huge tire medallion pitiful fake convertible cadillac cimarron chrome door trim visible fooling hyundai excel laszlo redhead afficionado extraordinaire canadia minister fine tobaccos cigaret brands sampled import luxury handrolling opinions necessarily mine mine 
dumbest automotive concepts organization university wisconsin milwaukee lines reply laszlo nntp posting host originator laszlo article bwillard unca wrote saab ignition floor started great idea steering column locks popular saab installed gearshift lock reverse remove stays reverse suppose thug demands keys gunpoint hand idea shoot heard happened hear saab successor ignition console seats belongs laszlo redhead afficionado extraordinaire canadia minister fine tobaccos cigaret brands sampled import luxury handrolling opinions necessarily mine mine 
nissan altima seller organization delco electronics corp lines article dbernard central writes puzzled obvious untruth nissan claims altima selling namelplate verbatim iaccoca statistics dept proud sentence note corolla prism designs nameplates guess nissan sell altimas toyota corollas nameplate qualifier waiit nissan officially registering government paperwork nissan stanza altima avoid costly lengthy paperwork read stanza logo altima ways spiros spiros triantafyllopoulos delcoelect software technology delco electronics hughes electronics kokomo post armm 
dumbest automotive concepts originator keywords dimmer switch location repost organization delco electronics corp lines article exulox ericsson lasse ohlsson writes article writes imho dumbest thing copying japanese moving dimmer switch floor lever controlling turn signal cruise federal government mandated passenger cars model year return floor mounted dimmer switch study national highway traffic safety administration nhtsa found unacceptable percentage dusk collisions direct result unskilled drivers left foot stuck steering wheel gaskins delcoelect automotive electronic systems delco electronics hughes electronics kokomo gaskins delcoelect automotive electronic systems delco electronics hughes electronics kokomo 
warning read originator keywords brick rock danger violent teenagers organization delco electronics corp distribution lines article berkeley brian harvey writes rfelix robbie felix writes thousands kind teenagers volunteer local agencies children seniors homeless hear hear robbie read violence teenagers george bush burying alive tens thousands unarmed iraqi year olds surrender bulldozers hand true singling teenagers blame violence socially acceptable discourage violence plenty work people ages george drive bulldozer 
toyota land cruiser worth organization boeing commercial airplane group lines response post unsolicited recommendations check land cruiser astronomical price toyota dealer told cult good create passionate loyal extraordinary land crusher cultists chance convert jonathan edwards edwards intranet based experience hard jeep style model give model consideration market older models built toyota lost mind assume proven newer models inherited qualities ancestors major differences running gear aware study solid front axle housing newer models independant front suspension solid axle theoretically stronger reliable newer model experience independant front suspension doubt compromise made satisfy typical user real utility vehicle difference type transfer case newer models tioyota full time wheel drive system older landcruisers lock type advantages disadvantages paul hovnanian hovnania boeing disclaimers apply 
saftey important organization centerline software lines nntp posting host jnielsen ohio state john nielsen writes article jimf frost writes tcorkum trevor corkum writes figure collisions brick walls common spend extra money protection lots speed collisions worry accident reconsider scarey life handeling insurance happen glad safe granted tests perfect test horribly raise valid point tradeoff money spend kind protection volvo saab benz good crash protection luxuries significantly case question cars budget high speed head collisions beneficial item good point seatbelt nowadays airbag point belt added safety benefit inexpensive cars frost jimf 
radar detector valentine organization centerline software lines nntp posting host troy troy wecker writes question valentine good range significant times expensive range directionality multiple transmitter tracking called gimmick conclusion disagree detector incorporates multiple receivers surprising significantly expensive added capabilities added live areas false alarms summary valentine expensive significantly performer call interesting person thinks added coming high cost adequate radar detectors half cost suited long distance travelling areas familiar additional information discriminating false alarms frost jimf 
dumbest automotive concepts time organization university illinois dept comp urbana lines csuohio writes article uiuc oriolefan writes laszlo tyson nuss writes article john daker fake convertible roofs vinyl roofs gold trim agree abominations fake continental spare tire watching ladies load groceries trunk huge tire medallion pitiful fake convertible cadillac cimarron chrome door trim visible fooling hyundai excel cutlass supreme coupe vinyl roof ditto taurus shoot owners late door escort chevy blazer chevy astro mini mini fake convertible eating chevette town wire crome wheels vinyl roof tacky paint continental spare showing wire crome wheel scared inside rolling road glad martel lady luck wonderful csuohio friend mine csuohio alan parsons project lives chris ward life alive 
dealer cheated wrong odometer reading organization university stellenbosch distribution lines article yongje washington yong writes subject dealer cheated wrong odometer reading story bought weeks finally hold previous owner maintanence history instrument pannel replaced odometer reset true meter reading reading replacement current mileage shows mile difference comparing mileage odometer disclosure dealer told important story hope return full refund similar experiences comments appreciated happened south africa year dealer sold mercedes odometer reading kilometers lady turned actual reading court case lady bought dealer found quilty fined back case sworn statement previous owner back dealer threaten gerrit 
saftey important organization university stellenbosch lines article tcorkum trevor corkum writes subject saftey important recently thumbing lemon guide found recommended picture sentences noting driver passenger virtually guaranteed killed front collision highly recommended small civic worst crash rating small cars listed cases great vehicles survive accident safety important factors buying safety important criterium buying small civic great safety handling speed dead small large accident gerrit 
manual shift bigots nntp posting host black reply kissane john kissane organization motorola cellular infrastructure group lines matter interest autos popular europe rare wondering john kissane motorola ireland uucp uunet motcid glas kissanej mahon industrial estate internet kissanej rtsg blackrock cork ireland 
warning read reply berkeley message organization organization lines article berkeley brian harvey writes rfelix robbie felix writes thousands kind teenagers volunteer local agencies children seniors homeless hear hear robbie read violence teenagers george bush burying alive tens thousands unarmed iraqi year olds surrender bulldozers george bush drive bulldozer ripe grey 
water trunk probe nntp posting host priory organization performance lines article tszeto stratus tommy szeto writes water gradually builds trunk friend ford probe remove spare scoop water plywood carpet cover trunk guess good thunder storm common problem drain holes located hatch problem luckily fixed warranty replaced tail light gasket check dealer problem robert abbott abbott enet 
cover sale organization monsanto company newsreader lines sale fitted cover specifically line evolution fabric months cover excellent condition rips cuts stains blemishes grommets locking cable color silver price ship collect contact wchutt phone 
opel owners nntp posting host fred colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article uiuc oriolefan writes gibbonsa darren gibbons writes information opel cars model truth seater roll headlights hard sporty friend sitting yard nice condition body wise transmission seized info cars engine compartment tight work fine shape interested darren gibbons gibbonsa manta sold buick dealers price leader chintan amin llama miniature corvette opel headlights flipped pulling lever inside chintan amin mail llama construction hard area 
noisy engine organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply cwru andrew spencer nntp posting host cwru previous article eliot engr washington eliot article tomacj enet thunderbirds writes owners motor head gurus engine sounds noisy engine noisy times nice nose ugly noises assuming turbo gruffness characteristic large inline balance shafts guess toyota didn care details brag engine configuration flashy styling automatically cross consideration recommendation inline larger liters balance shafts good rule thumb mind halfway decent engine noise bugs sell eliot nice theory cylinder liters nonturbo understand balancing shafts cylinders saab royalty patented design porsche drew 
water trunk probe organization university illinois urbana lines tszeto stratus tommy szeto writes water gradually builds trunk friend ford probe remove spare scoop water plywood carpet cover trunk guess good thunder storm common problem common problem leaks occur seal taillights ford probes recall dissatisfying drain holes located hatch drain holes margine drain regretably waited months short cash warrantee paid dearly messed electrical system including balance motion sensor located fuel shutoff trunk resulted passive restraints malfunctioning retract ended paying sensor replaced tail lights resealed firts replaced hatch gasket insisted problem charge proved mention water damage covers trunk spare partment algae taillights annoying water problem fixed common problem hope complains ford info szeto peanuts tszeto stratus bottom ggnuuaahuuhh include homer simpson 
worth price organization motorola austin lines nntp posting host daffy article horace dediu writes article shantanu shantanu ganguly writes comments good performance high speeds obtained adjusting gear final drive ratios contrary popular misperception number japanese cars good performance gear problem question perform consistently conditions roads winds curves speed hours year year giving driver white knuckles experience autobahns autostrade good touring easily distinguished poise stay cruise control hours typical racer fiat century mark wind blows wrong change lanes overpass guardrail buffeting severe make hood bend tires melt pothole kill german cars designed environment stop light mercedes mind design point fuel economy speeds germans gear good high speed efficiency typical turns stall good point idea hondas handle reach high amenable long high speed drives mile trips civic problems whatsoever trip made driving york texas remember driving miles typically problems comfortable driving benz white knuckles problems winds curves trip back orleans mardi gras houston problems cars surprising good fuel economy high speeds difference sustained sustained trip back orleans integra mind engine revs civic markedly integra fuel economy miles road driving understand high scale european marquees afraid design engines repeatedly revved redline gears miles lowly civic detriment engine clutch excellent boot call engineering hack cover design deficiencies miles breaking high scale european marquee typically designed miles engine chassis record miles benz diesel read transmissions lasting miles speaking compare diesel gasoline engine bmws gasoline mercs sale miles advertise rebuilt engines honda build accord darn expect sucker miles diesels good efficiency cost acceleration popular european cars diesel considered green fuel smallest econoboxes luxo barges difference mentality diesels considered slightly worse useless extremely dirty boot give caught early stop light pleasant newer diesel volvos smelliest offenders economy care cheap personally diesel reason shantanu ganguly somerset motorola phone motorola mail drop william cannon drive austin email shantanu ibmoto 
bimmer beamer nntp posting host namao ualberta organization university alberta edmonton canada distribution lines mark monninger markm wrote direct response referenced article record straight beamers motorcycles cars bimmers terms straight purists argue true bimmer round tail light mark back building round tail light bimmers suspendered reganomics generated quiche eating yuppies market beamers hood ornaments started disappering andrei 
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viper news software vnews organization arizona state university tempe lines article clas virginia matthew thigpen writes night dream bought viper test drive knowledge push home avoid ticket wierd dream means told dream true 
saturn pricing policy organization purdue university engineering computer network lines article pass wayne writes ordered saturn imports frankly saturn stuff deleted saturn good extended warranty program year miles fully refunded works actual cost based year treasury rates savings account rates years buys free rental warranty work counting refund mike general extended warranties ripoff free deductible time warranty items excluded coverage extended warranty year buck deduct refund extended warranties ripoff high profit items dealer 
plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences organization computer science department rose hulman lines distribution reply daubendr rose hulman darren daubenspeck nntp posting host nextwork rose hulman pretty junk stay replaced year models junk made lists years excellent handling acceleration newest mileage class leader shadow turbo droptop 
toyota land cruiser worth organization colorado springs division lines nntp posting host itchub wife looked drove fall model wayy underpowered imagine driving mountains colorado approaching highway speeds read models newer improved engine laughed salesman face broken feel powerful driving jeep engine land cruisers land yachts sames runner underpowered personal opinion cars roomy spectacular vervaeke email tvervaek hewlett packard phone love animals taste delicious 
questions insurance companies geico distribution organization maryland dept computer science coll lines switching geico insurance heard assign specific agent policy claim worried real pain make claim heard accident interestend determining things true geico made claim interested hearing satisfied service trouble renewing policy interested good stories liberty mutual state farm 
warning read nntp posting host nyis organization morgan stanley lines mchaffee michael chaffee writes valued terms money human beings submit human beings submissions made jews article matmcinn matthew macintyre national university senegal writes absolutely scratch bothers death number scum feel admit people realise mere fact piece flesh moves approximate shape human rights dirty harry types eager pull scum guilty scratching stupid painted metal boxes wheels killed human speak lightly matters sergei 
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sport utility vehical comparisons opinions organization diego state university college sciences lines distribution world nntp posting host pandora sdsu newsreader version karl elvis macrae kmac wrote driven strong opinions ford explorer toyota runner nissan pathfinder position drove toss marginally pathfinder based reliability wrong john jdenune sdsu 
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ultimate vehicles organization clearer blir lines distribution nntp posting host article ronald deblock writes turbo quattro wagon monday thought audi stopped selling wagons type vehicle price times budget minutes tick tick tick quattros bargains valve enormous torque gain find quattros wagons dealer high quality paint entire zinc galvanized rust short typically older year bangers bullet proof engines rare turbo watercooled aftermarket chips bump turbo boost luxo gizmos cars loaded price parts story eliot 
dumbest automotive concepts time reply mcostell navy malcolm costello distribution organization carderock division nswc bethesda lines fake convertible roofs vinyl roofs gold trim agree abominations fake continental spare tire watching ladies load groceries trunk huge tire medallion pitiful fake convertible cadillac cimarron chrome door trim visible fooling hyundai excel taste back early couple cars flocked paint jobs typo sprayed kind glue blew tiny pieces nylon felt picture huge plymouth fury dark blue felt remember early corvette turned station wagon mack costello code david taylor model basin carderock division nswc bethesda phone 
fast idle ford ranger nntp posting host zruty organization applied research labs university texas austin lines ljbartel ingr bartel writes morning ford ranger idling exaggerated idling fast liter carburated engine blipping throttle idle drop back normal linkage stuck problem problem time time straightened tach gauging sound engine idling fast idling pulled stop light choke pull diaphram fast idle pull vacuum actuated pull cold weather conditions idle fast idle locate fast idle vehicle rotate produce normal idle locate diaphram test apply suction good piece rubber vacuum hose mouth diaphram retract replaced bernie lofaso applied research labs 
water trunk probe nntp posting host opal organization motorola cellular infrastructure group lines jlong tamu james long writes article tszeto stratus tommy szeto writes water gradually builds trunk friend ford probe remove spare scoop water plywood carpet cover trunk guess good thunder storm common problem drain holes located hatch noticed probe recently cleaning back water coming rubber stoppered holes beneath spare mine looked slightly worn water water damage level spare area priority found rotating tires torn boot smoked taillight assembly water month rear taillights fogged moisture dealer replaced entire assembly happened months time happened spare tire noticed water standing dealer reluctant time replace convinced deal number probes problem noticed water taillamps trunk years month taillamp fogged back real tempted drill vent drain holes tops bottoms assembly forget annoying problem natarajan nataraja motorola cellular arlington 
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auto conditioning freon article rinn distribution organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host sandman caltech markm mark monninger writes article behanna chris behanna writes chemists substitutes hear mobile conditioning society macs people stand rake retrofit automobile mounted organized campaign squash substitutes existence altogether shaky technical grounds outright lies worst wrong substitutes exist sounds carbs companies substitutes exist time future availability doubt people welding supply butane propane regulate make good quality gases carb distributors hacker march beta caltech pasadena call hacker ridge caltech read comp beta 
wife convertible nntp posting host reply nuet organization paging wireless data group lines wife informed convertible live south wife mentioned miata small wait mustangs opinions convertibles reasonable price range 
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fast organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply albion bowers nntp posting host previous article tedebear stanford theodore chen article jimf frost writes compare porsche designed fast point brakes mustang disc brakes back significant differences latest late handling late biggest change porsche undertook alter tailhappieness baby back august model year stretched wheelbase people advantage oversteer enjoy europe marks high speed handling fair comparing vette handling phil hill famous race driver phil hill world champion vette driven turbo make thoroughbred awful fast yeah paul frere agreed prefered porsche modified vette test bowers alfa ducati hobie kottke blad iaido nasa goodness sakes play guitar mary chapin carpenter 
organization netcom online communication services guest lines article dseg robert loper writes article callison uoknor james callison writes article david arbor david hwang writes removed automatic transmissions performance type cars mustangs camaros number accidents year autos fine sedate sedans business performance cars imho james disagree speed auto overdrive chevy autos reknowned long life ability handle copious amount power live dallas area manual harder drive traffic lived sticks manual issue ablility handle power power lose torque converter safety wise auto distracting hate shifting gears ease traffic freeways performance wise hold stock mustang camaro speed encounter formula speed manual afraid speak owner auto iroc current owner aforementioned chris chris silvester capable elected president chriss amgen means allowed chriss douglas adams hitchhiker guide galaxy 
changing nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university distribution lines article marshatt purdue uberer writes article yiklam chong writes bolt engine compartment turn clockwise counter kind lubricants failed electric drill change suitable turn succeed tighten tight safe leak advance winson worry leaks worry turn damn thing good claw hammer straight notice pours theads heli coils invented gems rethread hole larger time change hole heli coil time trade 
fast organization unisql austin texas lines article jimf frost writes light highways texas funny light junctions armadillo crossings texas pretty edge case assume roads good condition flat terrain wide open spaces personal experience nevada mexico texas wyoming utah south dakota nebraska minnesota montana florida parts louisianna town drive main fast graveled washboard passes highway parts expensive cars driven fast crap crap 
rush fast organization purdue university distribution lines remember roads america designed speeds meaning safe roads autobahn smoother straiter wider slightly banked months back traveling late night changing highways bent crossing curved south east hidden trees continued left strait north wanted turn north checked south lane rolled crossing checked north lane sight pulled left hand lane performer corect lane decent time wasting time checked mirror mustang closing lane fast turned corner noticing luckly changed lanes time estamate moving excess stander chance runing moving glad brake lights time shudder happened wainted pull left time needed dodge rule clear assume stay travis disclamer ideas expressed fact employer mail flame marshatt purdue 
dings paint hood nntp posting host organization workstations maryland university maryland college park distribution lines toyota weeks dings paint hood rocks debris road major problems trucks past ding dealer time recomended putting deflector hood trucks unknown reason problem cars luck problem paint painted monday morning deflectors work small road debris trucks experiences suggestions greg thorn 
clutchless shifting lines nntp posting host sscvx organization superconducting super collider laboratory wondering clutchless shifter miles current toyota truck heard people talk damage transmission experiences suggest techniques pieces junk drove transmission worn pumping clutch shift clutchless date driven rabbits datsuns comets fords chevy harder shift generally higher milage smoother quicker easier shift technique ease back throttle time gently wrist back shift lever reason miss shift window lightly press accelerator agian found clutchless shifting eaiser quicker high rpms skip gears times krispy 
braindead drivers ahead keywords drivers distribution organization tektronix beaverton lines article herschel mayo writes block passers good stupid realize good people concerned group citizens absolutely disgusted majority drivers simply disobey traffic rules speed limit passing riding tails respectfully abide rules great country maintain mandated speed limits calibrated certified cruise controls keeping respectful length distance speed times ticked moron jumps ahead lengths left vehicle ahead driving finally option totally member supported group perform functions good good great country unfortunate stupid realize bless souls paltry join citizens rationally advanced piloting profit members society slight hitch initiation rite full fledged member exclusive club proof able fast lane busiest interstate area correct lenth speedand difficult morons pass lane slow lane breakdown lane complete list acceptable interstates times send members highly regarded attorneys auto field completely absolutely positively business serve interests testament virtues give members initial consultation feel free drop line earliest convenience remember speed kills 
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subaru shop manuals sale nntp posting host uhura rochester organization university rochester rochester york lines subaru service manuals complete includes sections cover mechanical components suspension wheels axles steering brakes pedals control cables heater ventilator conditioning body body exterior doors windows seats seat belts interior instrument panel electrical engine electrical system body electrical system wiring diagram trouble shooting genuine subaru issue manuals model year plenty good information applies years long posting stuff miscellaneous darkroom equipment solar enlarger objective lenses easel timer negative carriers misc printing masks developing tanks thermometer trays constant temperature bath ground glass mirrors darkroom lamps glassware cheap tripods beautiful antique buffet solid cherry veneer handmade interesting dovetail corners drawers built gaudy covered gaws simple elegant piece furniture long tall deep cape house deliver pricier items rochester area delivering deliver uofr campus graduation call mail paul mary south rochester plkg rochester 
isuzu amigo opinions wanted organization systemhouse lines distribution nntp posting host technet netland give consumer reports review point source scott sdexter computer science undergraduate university california riverside internet sdexter facilities engineer systemhouse technology network internet happen waited long hope smiths 
options great reply khalsa organization engineering manufacturing diego lines article parr ucalgary charles parr writes list options existing options things tripmeter great gadget lets rough track mileage makes good guesser gauge full size spare built mountings power systems radar detectors fitting generate household current engine running plug trunk engine compartment cabin feel free fuel gauge told fuel left make gouged accurate tenth gallon great contract khalsa engineering manufacturing bernardo diego khalsa 
runner pathfinder recent organization university north carolina chapel hill lines nntp posting host axon keywords runner pathfinder change update interested finding runner pathfinder updated past years engine suspension noticed runners identical buying info appreciated models years check avoid andy brandt 
plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences organization georgia state university distribution lines daubendr rose hulman darren daubenspeck writes pretty junk stay replaced year models junk made lists years excellent handling acceleration newest mileage class leader shadow turbo droptop fleet cars amoung trouble free models bought wife 
radar detector organization lehigh university lines article burnside writes article giand deepak nchandani writes mubashir cheema avoid tickets pull thing give ticket time sister driving glove compartment broken ticket received tickets sister total years ticket driving habits changed drastically days highway limit break happened driving mini family cutlass supreme times highway basically opnion pulled hear excuse radar detecter experienc remote model visible front rear sensors detector side dash valentine detector stated driver tells direction radar coming amount threats picking place everyday glance number threats valentine detecting genuine factory direct problem fusi 
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bang organization lehigh university lines article david bonds bonds writes autos cpkjp latech kevin parker writes feedback bang buck price range civility driven long trips taurus found ultimate door sports cars performance similar mustang civil comfortable late model shifter cutting edge cutting pcboard system houston texas running uupcb mustang pleasant diamond star cars talon eclipse laser turbo models turbo models cars handling match muscle civil regular driving conditions harsh stiff ride turbo choice torque steer front drive model leftover slightly model price range tough decision fusi 
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wife convertible organization university illinois urbana lines nuet keith nuetzman writes wife informed convertible live south wife mentioned miata small wait mustangs opinions convertibles reasonable price range olds supreme convertible high marks recent test stupid body moldings stuff saab ragtop range good choice convertible nissan convertible nice immediately mind chintan amin mail llama neil peart quick judge quick anger slow understand ignorance prejudice fear walk hand hand 
manual shift bigots wanted organization university westminster lines auto shifters street track porsche wont change floor turn years back auto call turbo round corner floored thing pointing backwards drivers amused shaz 
improvements automatic transmissions organization university westminster lines wanted wheelspin auto gear stick gear works screw autobox debate 
dumbest automotive concepts time organization university westminster distribution lines dumbest options offer smokers option means lighter deal bought honda neat targa call miata heart body spokes richard 
dumbest automotive concepts reply rhorwell boeing organization boeing computer services lines article idaho amdahl idaho amdahl smith writes article writes imho dumbest thing copying japanese moving dimmer switch floor lever controlling turn signal cruise control warmer porsche dimmer turn signal stalk guess dumb germans copying japanese rest deleted mention friend citroen traction avant light switch dimmer integrated single stalk steering column dumb french apparently copying japanese germans roland 
volvo reply rhorwell boeing organization boeing computer services lines article raleigh mperry mark perry writes good reason cars plenty people good unlike influenced kevinh ascom easy series real close volvo dogs beacuse agricultural previous volvos essentially fast tractors series agricultural design execution tractors godlier thou advertising state thing remember companies agencies part renault true joint ventures renault heard subsumption renault french government owns volvo renault makes nice cars sell america thing favour immediately recognisable volvo japanese manufacturers ford saab strong corparate thing makers make life varied mperry roland rhorwell boeing 
manual shift bigots organization clearer blir lines nntp posting host lanmola engr washington article peon email eric youngblood writes article pass wayne michael edelman writes disadvantage automatics consume wheels respect disadvantage manual torque converter locked autos converter lock gears dont forget speed manual trannys drive train optimally geared engine rare speed autos real bottom line manuals automatics vastly improved automatics advanced manuals shift intelligence smart automatic majority drivers terms gear time important torque converter losses prefer stick auto traffic cake designed shifter easily facilitate manual clutchless shifts referring copied mercedes jagged gate department lose number ratios converter losses ayrton senna drive racecar fully automatic transmission half eliot 
warning read organization national university singapore newsreader lines callison uoknor james callison writes argue issue carrying weapons thought shooting setting alarm worse things world glad give reason fire people kill defend property honest care scum 
organization stanford university lines article callison uoknor james callison writes order automatic transmission handle stick stick regular taurus leave real drivers real drivers stick disabled persons position disabled persons drive scca races careful making sweeping generalizations prefer manual transmission early awful transmission felt truck make automatic teddy 
fast article cactus organization capital area central texas unix society austin lines article jimf frost writes boyle craig boyle writes quality autobahns myth road surface typical freeway terms lighting safety signs roadmarkings light highways texas funny light junctions meant autobahns freeways road markings vary states localities areas markings essentially nonexistant roads asphalt test shocks kill wrong love severe recall freeway road damage warnings regard unsafe decent damped suspect limited experience freeways vary dramatically states number interstate highways parts country optimistic driven state alaska drive year long cross country trips chance reimbursment drive labor point driven freewayin germany france mexico surpisingly good call severe terms road deviations suspect single bridge junction considered hard interstate deviations drive frequently total freeway case mark hazard advising people slow texas pretty edge case assume roads good condition flat terrain texas freeways varied good surface flat comparable hilly wide open spaces absence traffic built freeways fine problem road users cops frost jimf craig 
plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences article cactus distribution organization capital area central texas unix society austin lines article oprsfnx stephen nicholas writes stuff dodge shadow deleted fleet cars amoung trouble free models bought wife models models cars chrysler models models fleet manager bought hell shadow reliable models sold chrysler dept lies damned lies statistics claim craig 
ultimate vehicles organization stanford university distribution lines article eliot engr washington eliot writes price parts story thermostat sound teddy 
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plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences organization university washington seattle lines distribution nntp posting host carson washington article oprsfnx stephen nicholas writes daubendr rose hulman darren daubenspeck writes pretty junk stay replaced year models junk made lists years excellent handling acceleration newest mileage class leader shadow turbo droptop fleet cars amoung trouble free models bought wife nng playing agree believed nicely piece junk loved babied pampered years stay problems ability fixed happen chrysler dodge pick dealer care reform dealers service intro cars case point local dodge dealer drive door salesman meal literally pounce make deal wanders service times worse alignment problem frame bent dollars work parts problems care alot miles couple years checkup needed dodge shadow replaced years owned engine alternators rear suspension torsion water pumps thermostats hall effect sensor main computer batteries rebuilt repaired radiator automatic transmission power steering things remember head year sold good find competent traded saturn power steering started acting stopped putting money worth repairs lifetime iacocca bite bullshit backs afraid stupid things fall assurance hell nicknamed hope people disagree japanese honda toyota american company feel quality product saturn touch chrysler product care good cars good admit promising support control saturn divisions marketing ploy wrong watching hawk years hesitant good proved pointed source note read magazines driver good thing chrysler products shadow moaning reguritated engine motor trend thought great cars magazine objective alot people consumers reports reinforce argument stink saturn crash tests time good shadow sundance rate worse average fact chrysler rate average average excluding diamond star mitsubishi stuff find stuff shadow researched saturn find great deal information company american company created stir automotive community good reason introduction model lines established company read article column imprinted toyota quote watching closely grow foreign cars japanese kicking butts good reason american companies make good product support customer days ways reasons saturn created struggling learned ability workers inferior technology date attitude finding called competition gentleman women satisfy demand consumer asbestos suit gaia 
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info porsche nntp posting host brew reply jmiller organization network systems corporation lines article uchicago buzy uchicago buzyna writes recently toying idea purchasing rate cars question expect price expect extensive body work engine transmission likewise expect virtually replaced lines names addresses mail order parts suppliers engine body parts completely area restoring cars work cars work professionally sould expect cost upgrading rust free mechanically sound automobile advance andre true enthusiasts able give answer dump impressions wanted years close ended buying fiero biggest mistake life able nice price range nice looker pile shit common total failure frame rust engine passenger compartment chassis welded yeah price range talking banger find mucho bucks parts engine pretty easy locate crude whitney catalog machine pretty simple spare tire windshild washer pump chris sake fixed good porsche mechanic easy engine spend labor mechanical work jeff miller network systems corporation internetwork group boone avenue north jmiller minneapolis 
militech distribution world organization olde bailey houston reply erich sccsi erich lines jchen bellcore jason chen writes interesting product auto show hear comments militech additive demonstration product impressive cheat heard militech stuff works pretty good friends races scca sanctioned events stuff militech stuff early trial thing worked great details erich erich sccsi olde bailey houston texas sccsi home cosuard 
honda info organization skidmore reality lines honda helpful hints honda infromation sheet owners honda vehicles burning smell evident shortly taking delivery fire extinguisher prelude mels temperatures degrees push accelerator pedal floor time release slowly foot accelerator crank engine starts seconds note cranking required temperatures degrees accelerator depressed times door panels interior trim damaged buckled caught closing doors shifting accord automatic transmissions park neutral reverse drive transmission shifts gear case towing start engine shift drive park drive neutral turn engine towed engine engine procedure phew worried insert smilies real jonathan jdrout skidmore skidmore college saratoga civic aftermarket fogs understand 
hail damage record originator organization delco electronics corp distribution lines article boyle craig boyle writes article stecz writes article boyle craig boyle writes integra hard hailstorm austin insurance company check deductible week record settlements hailstorm craig rumor dell computer miata totalled guess hail ripped worth hail damage miata body craig john steczkowski stecz constitution grants life liberty pursuit happiness attempt guarantee happy volvo owner dollars worth improvements hail 
warning read summary careful concealed weapons lines article callison uoknor james callison writes article bqueiser ohio state brian queiser writes emptied asshole texas country reminds texas hear speaking french letter home french moves background french accented voice foreground talking walking beach felt home decided shoes rest clothes ended send bail autos note carry idea work part town regularly loaded question unloaded colt delta glove loaded magazine handy perfectly legal oklahoma times travelling inter state unloaded magnum revolver glove speed loader pocket legal federal illinois state police hanged stricly defense insurance replace life james carrying pistol loaded unloaded glove compartment considered carrying concealed weapon colorado illegal concealed weapons permit changed recently carrying weapon openly legal colorado concealing illegal read newspaper account year police stopped traffic infraction observed magnum revolver sitting seat driver cited possessing carrying weapon concealed article stated discovered glove considered crime franklin heaven people wait gwrra laugh sinners saints sinners lots good young 
sunroof leaks organization lines nntp posting host msiegel sunroof leaks thought things royal pain provide insight seal great weld stupid thing shut 
manual shift bigots nntp posting host cary reply kensib organization rensselaer polytechnic institute troy lines prefer manual automatic automatics manufactured people physical disabilities able drive automatic transmissions drivers lazy time fiddle radio scenery concentrating road manual transmission drive granted large movement driving driving manual driving automatic chore case shift speed automatics made shift faster human move stick racing automatic normal driving manual 
plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences nntp posting host translab organization university california irvine lines distribution article gaia washington gaia writes stopped putting money worth repairs lifetime iacocca bite bullshit backs afraid stupid things area part spending repairs reminds article read magazine comparing year ownership costs toyota camry ford taurus result announced great flourish cost period argument prove wrong buying ford taurus camry remember correctly camry costs initial costs essentially means spend extra repairs taurus ridiculous time repairs extra hassles loss time dozen things spend initial costs spend repair costs signature balaji ramanathan institute transportation studies luck university california irvine rely 
cars chevy nova dodge news software vnews keywords chevy nova dodge organization computer systems ingres product division lines cars worth problem maintenance costs cars running year insurance year wrong months costs occured dodge dodge attempt american german replace head gasket radiator chevy nova chevy attempt japan import tune change valve gasket middle exhaust pipe misc note chevy nova horsepwer chevy nova power small hill knocking wrong octane octane find maintenance items equipment needed doug doug wayne 
taurus sable rotor recall organization temple university lines nntp posting host picasso ocis temple newsreader version antonio balsamo save wails balsamo enet wrote opdbs latech subject taurus sable rotor recall taurus clock rotor warp apparently fixed problem convincing ford service person free tony gads heard horror stories taurus sable cars thought premium american automobiles sell ford late turning cans granada fairmount taurus camry accord john zorro ocis temple zorro ocis temple 
opinions organization lehigh university lines article lehigh anny phornprapha writes budget sports specific models danny easily deal impressive performance figures automotive magazines price range fusi 
opinions organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet chun hung nntp posting host thor cwru previous article lehigh danny phornprapha budget sports specific models danny programmers danny phornprapha bugs endangered earth lucc student konsultant species needing protection work sports sports suspension stiff practicality comfort nissan turbo good good dose luxury lexus perfect manual transmission toyota supra coming performance supposed great race particulary mitsubishi dodge stealths heavy nimble handlers sports motion picture major brooks institute photography santa barbara foreign student kuala lumpur malaysia mind forerunner states 
rust beamer organization university illinois urbana lines surprised bought rust ideas cheaply word eaten door panels bondo good paint bond aluminum rims paint thati rims peeled rust stuff rims pretty easily thing painting start jesse 
chryslers compact sedans organization university illinois urbana lines uiuc carolinafan writes shoppa caltech shoppa writes thought originally designed truck necessarily pickup sort dropped viper frame friend mine heard viper friend response sounded truck sounded fine whiny noise modern sports engines make viper moving cars freeway heading east friday afternoon looked nice impression viper dodge developing kenworths thought exhaust system engine produced noise exhaust majority noise basics tone firing cadence determined engine configuration case viper discussing huge multicylinder engine sound truck understanding engine designed originally intention aptible trucks viper heard hand knowledge pretty good exhaust sound world degree dohc colombo designed period michael chaffee mchaffee uiuc email mchaffee uiuc nextmail construction excuse 
dvice lines organization university waterloo helpful advice university student spend advice offer time buyer sporty functional reliable maintenance costs ideas models suit sanjai 
plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences organization stanford university distribution lines article raman balaji ramanathan writes part spending repairs reminds article read magazine comparing year ownership costs toyota camry ford taurus result announced great flourish cost period argument prove wrong buying ford taurus camry remember correctly camry costs initial costs essentially means spend extra repairs taurus ridiculous time repairs extra hassles loss time dozen things spend initial costs spend repair costs account depreciation doubt taurus rack extra repair costs years teddy 
wife convertible organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply cwru andrew spencer nntp posting host cwru previous article nuet keith nuetzman wife informed convertible live south wife mentioned miata small wait mustangs opinions convertibles reasonable price range metro drew 
fast organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply cwru andrew spencer nntp posting host cwru previous article callison uoknor james callison article cwru andrew spencer writes previous article wrat uucp wharfie article jimf frost writes larger engine slightly modified family sedan powerful engine bother improving brakes shows brakes inch forget discs vented front normal taurus setup smaller discs front drums rear vented rears sales fool titanium wheels yeah told magnesium believable crap cheaper good tend agree standard running regular basis brakes bigger corrados braking regulations bird computer controlled adjustable suspension wheel disks vented front rear point belts sturdy passenger compartment aerodynamics good nascar change supercharged wheel independent suspension limited slip differential speed excess rides rated tires find speed rating standard james james hate reading damn posts bird mentioned discussion stangs spec birds specs quoted previous poster sounded anemic snuff disencourage wishing make means ford added extra safety tossed larger brakes wheels plenty large memory serves motor plenty powerful drew 
warning read organization university illinois urbana lines matmcinn matthew macintyre national university senegal writes callison uoknor james callison writes argue issue carrying weapons thought shooting setting alarm worse things world glad give reason fire people kill defend property honest care scum matt sarcastic honest automobiles worth owners investment people figures average property allocated housing projects inferior public schools jails feeling amount government steals honest productive citizen breed trash significantly automobiles argue animals stealing cars mention committing completely senseless acts violence rape valued terms money human beings submit human beings callison track chintan amin remarked earlier blame environment actions single criminal agree trace crime back environment upbringing criminal pickpockets rapists inside traders fault draw line michael chaffee mchaffee uiuc email mchaffee uiuc nextmail construction excuse 
viper organization university illinois urbana lines clas virginia matthew thigpen writes night dream bought viper test drive knowledge push home avoid ticket wierd dream means vell muzzah passenger seat muzzah leefing room fazah feeling freudian doubtless inspired magnificent phallic ness word viper 
warning read nntp posting host uokmax uoknor organization engineering computer network university oklahoma norman lines article matmcinn matthew macintyre national university senegal writes callison uoknor james callison writes argue issue carrying weapons thought shooting setting alarm worse things world glad give reason fire people kill defend property honest care scum watch attributions forum discussions shoot property damage vandalism theft responsible owner realizes limits punishment crime harmless prank worth killing situation punks setting alarms taunting people turn ugly quickly worth prepared life potentially line james james callison microcomputer coordinator oklahoma center callison uoknor callison uoknor disclaimer engineer play work forecast calls thunder bird hell thing killing munny unforgiven 
manual shift bigots organization university illinois urbana lines eliot engr washington eliot writes article peon email eric youngblood writes article pass wayne michael edelman writes disadvantage automatics consume wheels respect disadvantage manual torque converter locked autos converter lock gears performance converter lockup purely irrelevant lockup occurs light throttle settings serves improve mind converter clutch lovely improving additional mechanical advantage converter acceleration locked converter clutch inherent losses michael chaffee mchaffee uiuc email mchaffee uiuc nextmail construction excuse 
kuebelwagen lines nntp posting host thwang purdue tommy hwang writes spelling forgot spell series exams hand reference cute wwii jeep wanna replica great complete guide specialty cars edition crown publishing kubelwagen dots company wolfkam vika oslo norway voice line line excerpt blurb fine kubel clone wolfkam close copy original offers weather cross country capabilities wwii forebears robust fiberglass body complete includes hardware donor phone number entire dialing sequence call karl torum send cash international money order complete literature package george happy share info cars manufacturers partially completed porsche speedster convertible replica intermeccanica leads advice stories owners 
plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences article henson distribution organization western washington university lines daubendr rose hulman darren daubenspeck writes pretty junk stay replaced year models junk made lists years excellent handling acceleration newest mileage class leader shadow turbo droptop good written back crooked letters year written hehhehehehahaha silly crysler attemps make label back cars mercedes resist barryb 
automotive crash test performance maintenance stats organization spectragraphics corporation distribution lines resource consumer comparing makes models automobiles trucks vans survivability crash severities found objective data comparing vehicles handling pick braking expected maintenance recall years consumer reports annual buyer guide informative aspects reply looked found april magazine things recent articles ratings looked pretty good relative comparison purposes crash test comparisons include half cars comparing honda civic hatchbacks toyota tercels fare accident boyd johnson nosc spectra johnson diego california intermittent newsfeed selected groups opinions match employer 
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summary wanted afraid keywords article javelin monthly expires reply blgardne organization evans sutherland computer corporation lines supersedes periodic posting intended answer frequently asked question posted month expiration time month site news software mannered posting witdodfaq crossposted motorcycles groups attempt catch users followups directed motorcycles changed message kotl halon version collection originally assembled lissa shoun original postings lissa permission usurped title kotwitdodfaq corrections additions bribes aimed blgardne contents number blaine gardner road rider article bruce tanner john sloan logo chuck rogers started denizen doom anthem jonathan quist killed blaine gardner moto photo archive courtesy bruce tanner patches patches blaine gardner letter museum rogers director rules consensus moto resources keepers misc moto reviews archive courtesy loki jorgenson updated stats rides info green number frequently asked question motorcycles frequently asked question number simple keeper list kotl accept substitue keepers number feeling creative favorite number make request subject kotl approval warning numeric base number requests earn flame kotl tiny suggestion kotl mail playing lightning flames post clueless newbie kotl john sloan notes real secret left subtle hints divulged mentioned posting john original kotl keeping true spirit unix kotl letters long spelled hexadecimal characters kotl shares line oriented text utility occasionally posting messages bestowing numbers boneheads weenie mailers fourth reason suspect kotl dead head newsflash message kotl surmounted intellectual pinnacle electronically groveled kotl mind kotl work living occasionally pacify boss request languish mailer queue gasp days horrors week times economic activity part kotl employers sending copy request speed processing queue makes longer verification phenominon left excersize reader suspect mailer problems annotate subsequent requests indication request submitted assigned multiple numbers kotl memorizes list thing kotl telepathic powers provide information list typical list entry number state country mail address green green john mentions access bike requirements membership strictly true days number denizens lack blaine dances bikers gardner blgardne denizens doom bruce tanner road rider august reprinted bruce permission group motorcyclists normal things bunch bikers discuss motorcycles motorcycling beverages cleaning fluids baklavah balaclava caltrops helmets anti shields spine protectors aerodynamics angle valve seats bird hits deer whistles good restaurants racing philosophy traffic laws tickets corrosion control personalities puns double entendres culture absence culture rides friendship argue plan rides difference group local motorcycle club everyday face face members group live world communicate electronically computer computers range laptops multi million dollar computer centers people range college university students high tech industry professionals public access electronic bulletin board users motorcycles pronounced wreck motorcycles file group primary line meeting place carries articles month read estimated people frequent posters belong motorcycle club denizens doom referred started motorcyclist john nickerson wrote couple parodies designed poke motorcycle stereotypes fellow computer enthusiast bruce robinson posted articles denizen doom chuck rogers signed keeper flame bruce designated retroactively nickerson originator parodies idea motorcycle club organization meetings rules appealed john sloan keeper list issuing numbers wanted date memberships issued people united states canada australia zealand united kingdom france germany norway finland keeper list sloan eventually designed club patch initial patches sold immediately profits american motorcycle heritage foundation amhf fund raiser selling denizens doom pins members started arnie skurow months project successful profits donated foundation denizens contributed museum plaque denizens doom hangs motorcycle heritage museum crawl crts riding turns largest concentrations centered denver boulder colorado california silicon valley major events annual assault rollins pass colorado northern versus southern california joust ride feed bike trip rollins pass barbecue dinner concept joust riders northern california ride south riders southern california ride north meeting predesignated site middle additional plan hold official denizens doom homecoming conjunction heritage homecoming columbus ohio july safe denizens doom collective communications motorcycles replace traditional motorcycle organizations prowl electronic pathways search wheeled camaraderie great kindred spirits long flame live flame flame live centerbar official motto denizens doom refers ease gratuitously insult electronically face face insults flames issuing called flaming flames start member disagrees member posted network typical sophisticated intelligent form calm reasoned rebuttal incredibly stupid statement spandex clad poseur guarantee people reply defense original poster describing riding ability denizens doom saga unfolds john sloan periodically question raised questions class blue suffering world women inevitably nice dump kinds questions steeped mysticism tradition philosophy questions inspired research discussion philosophers locker rooms motorcycle service bays halls academe generations long long time computer time minutes eternity halting problem problem computer topologically speaking machines room atlanta route mail system chicago chap wished remain anonymous eventually assigned membership wrote satire personalities flame wars motorcycles signed denizen doom wishing identify asked stalwart individual fullness time post giving whit people thought generally thinking individual flaming amusements holder membership thought funniest thing sort pretty easily amused claimed membership denizens doom motorcycle club started signing postings membership number readers motorcycles struck vision motorcycle club dues rules restrictions brand make model national origin motorcycle club organized electronically readers yearning part provide greater identity gestalt personality greater parts computer nerds wear black socks sneakers pocket protectors happen love taking risks machines awesome power weight ratios social outcasts clique finally open minded accept members clear case fulfilling prophesy denizens doom motorcycle club born club majority members face face feel pretty electronic personalities newsgroup club organized loosest sense word volunteers network electronic news mail membership mailing list organize group rides members live region motto logo series photo albums circulating country organized club patches organized style music video produced distributed start sanctioning races placing limits memory clock rate board engine management computers organize poker runs participant collects hand hardware software reference cards rally attendees demand terminal room sized unix system time dues rules requirements access love motorcycles member admit good club secrets members receive email membership number latest copy membership list includes state email address denizens doom motorcycle club live forever year decided change live flame flame live daemon patches pins chuck rogers vv motorcycles usenet denizen doom flamingest wonderfullest newsgroup time wreck mudder disciples reak mudder disciples names protect guilty riders innocent bikes alike recognize contorted version guilt complex working read weep tune conversation heros terrible barbarian extolling virtues hopalonga puff cane reverend muck mudgers stompin fueling injection terrible hopalonga greatest beats bmws dead muck preach terrible lighten crowd riding yuka yuka fudgeo jammer heck stompin complete terrible nahh sounding heritick ratatnack selling hopalonga intercorruptor good puff cane called woosh stream stompin stream terrible waddya call reinforcements stompin yehh arlow scarecrow high tech muck civil high tech greatest arlow love terrible arlow burley thumpison greatest american ride muck ahh making terrible terrible stand muck arlow high beats wilhelm terrible terrible hmm muck chunky bear chunky smarter average bear terrible drop chunky booboo left villy ogle flamed muck makes mistakes blue west coasters arrive tread orange dill snorkssy heritick ratatnack buck garnish snob rasseller perenial favorite hooter boobin brush heritick heya terrible front back bias terrible sold heritick nahh hooter hoot hoot buck nice tree hooter hooter carbujectors hell muck carbujector hooter made alumican made tilloslert muck flame honest dill race snob chunky drop ride muck quiet tread greatest supreme level headed opinion luggage made sourkraut high terrible heritick dill buck nahh stompin tread high chunky snob yess yess issue resolved hopalonga crew called cohorts local area including polyanna stirrup infamous booster robiksen cavortin polyanna real bikers stirrups bikes hopalonga evening bird special helpful ventral stand terrible hopalonga great polyanna yuka yuka sumarikis kersnapis good booster hate cavortin booster love cavortin muck mucho guzlers lepurras snob tread naww muck tridump terrible chewing muck augg wadda pluck kity heritick heyya muck tryin call demon rider muck mudder disciples arguing make riders zoom form pill turret phalanx lifter pill dorsal stands ventral stands forever phalanx west coasters pour road noblin hopalonga greatest maulled beerstein bikejector suddenly people arrived great dark nurth kite lanolin great robo nickie prefer motorcycle robot transformers personally riders west coast discussion aviator sourgas burley thumpison belted rigged frame guess gasket burley thumpison roar screech latest mudder disciple thundered clean bikata hopalonga cabammerxorn clean hopalonga cabammerxorns muck clean gotta banger nothin muck banger clean good chunky bangers clean inferior stompin proof bimmer boys burst song singing beemer babe beemer babe give thrill road terrible polyanna maulled dill waddoes stand heritick stompin snob chunky tread kite high arlow beat wilhem road terrible polyanna maulled dill ensuing argument skies clouded thunder roared greatest mudder disciple boomed bickering doomed riding bigot suction powered mini trikes childish actions puhlease wreck mudder disciples riding mini trikes arguing heros doomed tune week wretching episode yearning riderless increasing cast characters technical problems flamed week episode answer question helmet helmet aired heady material viewer discretion advised script denizens doom anthem video jonathan quist scene sterile engineering office lone figure call chuck stands printer output wearing white coat mechanical pencils pocket protector editor note reason great deal amusement annual coastal ironhorse ride joust denizens referring chuck guess wasn chuck software systems analyst towing whims machine yessir nosir mother made wanted live life music slowly builds background riding nortons triumphs highest mountain passes deepest valleys living life motorcyclist donuts evading police terrorizing ladies raping small children eating small dogs large dogs dinner short denizen chuck rips coat revealing black leather jacket fringe boots scene simultaneously assaulted rollins pass small throng hell angels harleys background gunning engines showering lookers nails turn donuts leaking tarmac chuck standing front heavily chromed chuck sings tune lumberjack song denizen flame night ride hell angels echo chorus surprisingly heavy tenors denizen flames night rides ride bike lunch lavat wednesdays ride skyline running children glee chorus rides bike eats lunch lavat wednesdays rides skyline running children glee chorus refrain denizen ride real fast chuck rate worst real good denizen flame night ride chorus refrain denizen wear high heels bright pink shorts full leathers rode harley dear mama chorus refrain killed thing understand case managed read figure started joke words denizen intends remain distant past hapless newbie asked stand department defense naturally denizen watched movie times rose occasion replied classified kill rest history variation security theme supply disinformation stands notable contributions contributers include daughters democracy doers donuts dancers despair debasers daughters dickweeds denver driveway death debauchers donuts dumpers dirtbikes note comprehensive list variations limited contents imagination dictionary file moto photo archive history started ilana stern chuck rogers organizing motorcycles photo album copies made sets tours world vanish unknown locations bruce tanner decided electronic medium electronic photo album bruce provided disk space mail access time scan photos archive folks gawk motorcycles photo files server include membership list yellow pages general motorcycles posting couple excerpts messages bruce posted archive cerritos mail address server commands body message current commands send line arguments commands style file specifications moto photo file spec file send send bruce tanner send dodframe back mail messages directory listing uuencoded parts bruce tanner dodframe file ascii wildcards allowed maximum mail messages rounded file send send send files good idea bruce tanner tanner cerritos college norwalk cerritos tanner couple comments bruce effort drop note find moto photo archive bruce provided server favor kind access normal working hours california time patches patches heard mention trinkets patches pins reaction sick sick good news news good news amazing variety labeled widgets created news exclusivity attempt simply store stock creations individual denizens pockets typical procedure thinking frammitz made cost museum orders batch frammitzes large cover paid orders produced quickly consumed doodad quickly time decides produce void filling anarchy action possibly incomplete list merchandise perpetrators patches pins stickers motorcycle license plate frames shirts polo shirts zippo lighters belt buckles patches batch rapidly consumed popular demand profits donated american motorcyclist association motorcycle heritage museum june dollars contributed museum fund visit museum large plaque founders wall denizens doom usenet world complete letter contributions newsgroups motorcycles arnie skurow subject letter motorcycle heritage museum date received letter rogers director museum dear arnie members denizens doom congratulations expressions gratitude order denizens doom recent donation total amount donated behalf amhf extend heartfeld gratitude membership denizens club plaque presently prepared invited museum plaque installed founders foyer personally mount denizens club plaque support means foundation museum fulfillment goals sincerely rogers director post computer bulletin board letter addressed personally meant purchased goodies made amount arnie rules regulations bylaws denizens doom motorcycle club time time mention discussion flame rules order flames complete text rules governing rule rules rule ride motorcycles information resources general motorcycles resources posted regular basis obtained cerritos mail server info photo archive general motorcycles maintained dave williams cerritos filenames faqn yellow pages listing motorcycle industry vendor phone numbers addresses maintained pakser cerritos filename yellow pages number list membership maintained keeper list cerritos filename list witdod surprise surprise maintained cerritos filename additions corrections aimed keepers respective texts loki jorgenson loki mcgill provided archive site motorcycle accessory reviews excerpt periodic announcement motorcycles reviews archives world famous llama emporium veritable plethora bike accessories reviews written moto readers based experiences invaluable gems opinion highly valued potential reduce noise list accessed anonymous email server personal request anonymous physics mcgill email archive server reviews physics mcgill review submissions questions reviews mcgill note difference addresses review submission email archive server started email server send email message line send note return address appears domain subdomain host username mail header include line similar path username subdomain domain interested submitting review bike template format reviews archive site internet access unsure anonymous works script request reviews motorcycle related accessory widget updated stats motorcycles rides info info cited places moving target catch occurence sticking latest info estimated motorcycles readership news groups approximate membership kotl contributions american motorcyclist association motorcycle heritage museum arnie organized rides summer organized rides joust year ride feed strong rollins pass trip collapse tunnel east coast denizens coast ride bikers north south meeting blueridge mountains north carolina pacific northwest crew organized great pacific northwest dryside gather gpndg successful excuse riding motorcycles faces names green addition worth mentioning moto dirt ride held moab canyonlands area southern utah riders states showed riding monster bmws itty bitty legal strokes official official crowd moto event vintage motorcycle races steamboat springs colorado good excuse netters gather occasional labor gather utah european denizens staged gathers reasonable rates blaine gardner evans sutherland arapeen drive utah blgardne blaine half vehicles computers kickstarted blaine gardner evans sutherland arapeen drive utah blgardne blaine half vehicles computers kickstarted 
oops organization manes associates newsreader version lines ranck ranck wrote hate admit mentally kicking rode brand home friday night miles rain darkness problems home center stand pushed center stand preparation friend house pose guessed landed side scratched lower fairing cracked mirror cracked upper fairing damn stupid cost local body shop fairing cheaper mirror bought replacement cheap sister boyfriend incessant pain wanting ride bikes jose finally lindner canaan fall nice perfect condition telling shop norton stories fifteen years signing liability waiver flight walked pizza shop street feeling good made sister boyfriend happy persistent wanker good heard horrendous racket engine tortured line crash people running obvious source disturbance jeff laying rear wheel spinning wildly groping kill switch stared disbelief slice hanging mouth matty shop manager slid asked friend steve shit matty worse flhs jeff made inches witnesses lifted feet letting clutch gravity jeff claimed clutch engage matty quick jeff stuttering embarrassed shock managed snatch jeff credit card quick imprint signature twenty minutes jeff color paled flush matty presented estimate busted mirror hairline crack fairing fixing crack masking damaged area fairing bike happened sister split jeff shortly hook piece work matty told charge december uncontested stephen manes manes linknet manes associates york 
miracle california article megatek reply randy organization megatek corporation diego california lines article egreen writes bikers wave bikers world harley riders wave bikers favorite flame wars happy harley riders area flamed riding lowly sport bike girlfriend recipient twenty waves group twenty harley riders leading group sport bikes time initiated waves perfect friendly riders brand differences made randy davis email randy pilot uunet ucsd megatek randy 
paraphernalia stafford winona msus john stafford distribution world organization winona state university nntp posting host stafford winona msus lines article central steve bunis wrote decal thicker vinyl geeky temporary tatoo rubs exempt razzing john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply 
miracle california organization eskimo north lines waving courtesy wave meet bikers riding good things mood riding special great ride wonderful spend time road days gesture sunny today time week bike spin local salvage yard bike shop people similar reasons great stretch road side streets lotsa leaning bends impromptu coffee bullshit puyallup batch people kinda people nonetheless fellow commented admiring bike ride ride long wheels engine thing maven internet maven altcit eskimo usenet maven mavenry alternet 
drinking riding lines organization waterloo engineering article maven norman hamer writes general rule thumb sobriety cycling couple hours feel sober work drink tonight ride tomorrow drink drinks hours drink drinks hours drink rest fairly cautious guidelines work happen tolerance body mass cops dare drink drive commercials drink general drinks legal limit watch mike mike muise mjmuise watstar uwaterloo quotes jokes electrical engineering university waterloo disclaimer fear 
insect impacts organization microsystems lines distribution world reply egreen nntp posting host laser east article hydro jlevine hydro jody levine writes helmetless people horseback fast enjoy eating bugs fast dirtbike terrain flies jeeps supposed windscreen snow skis bugs poeple fast wear goggles helmetless motorcyclists question stands cruiser riders negligible helmets stand highway buggy summer evenings helmetless goggleless green ninjaite drinking night biker green showed picture grateful dead 
miracle california organization microsystems lines distribution world reply egreen nntp posting host laser east article amdahl amdahl brian simmons writes deal raised south part cultural heritage waving passersby waved side road passing cars drove waved nodded raised index finger steering wheel people waved drove raised south attest true walking road good boys truck tossed cold beer time prove fluke happened riding wednesday unsolicited wave bikers wave bikers world harley riders wave bikers favorite flame wars green ninjaite drinking night biker green showed picture grateful dead 
cultural enquiries article ncsu organization north carolina state university project lines article irwin lonestar irwin arnstein writes article egreen writes article andy woodward writes questions fascinate check local blue light special sale lives rednecks called rednecks origin slang reference sunburned neck obtained performing honest work outdoors neck distinguish people shirt protected chest back pale elitist wealthy idiotic quest darker skin pigmentation badge leisure time overdo full body sunburns backs minds make living ignorant intolerant group level understanding tuba irwin honk computrac richardson irwin lonestar sounds closed minded intolerant attitude redneck walk shoes stereotypes limited ignorant righteous open minded lovers great planet earth ignorant necks correlation redneck culture call necessarily inferior superior gotta beer making sense thing preaching tolerance conservative jack waters fear thief night afternoon asleep worry 
carrying crutches living article usenet pqhkl reply freenet mike sturdevant organization case western reserve university cleveland lines nntp posting host cwru previous article pooder vnet fearn broke places motorcycle accident accident woulda thunk crutches gretchen rear rack metal pulled friday back crutches weeks crutches handlebars sound aesthetically pleasing attach knee rebuilt back street bike asap crutches rack passenger seat hung back long make tied tight front problemo fast chances mike 
kawi zephyr vision organization systems corporation lines article shadow haven writes asphaug arizona erik asphaug writes short lived zephyr essentially zephyr discontinued heard problem hear sold north americans ride standard sport bike bigger people walk dealership spring extra bucks bigger engine bruce clarke environment mail bclarke 
daemon child article usenet pqhvu reply freenet mike sturdevant organization case western reserve university cleveland lines nntp posting host cwru previous article svoboda david svoboda article cookson mitre cookson writes wait minute noemi satan nice noemi makes cuddle kotl talking bout noemi makes bore hand guns extreme weirdness babe rode desert borrowed death ride fuck making mistake fast chances mike 
identify bike article adobe distribution organization adobe systems incorporated mountain view lines article coburnn colorado nicholas coburn writes thought hawk modified brothers racing made huge tank additionally told firmly honda sales service weenies larger tank hawk hawk puny tank interested decent aftermarket solution love tank curtis jackson cjackson adobe hawk maxim kotb black studley doright collie golden george justification taking individuals freedom guise public safety thomas jefferson 
cultural enquiries organization university college wales aberystwyth lines nntp posting host article stafford winona msus john stafford writes article andy woodward wrote questions fascinate easily fascinated rednecks called rednecks called welch south southeastern farmers necks permanently damaged sunburn sets british empire shines wales despicable sunny july made note diaries wrong ride harleys drive pick trucks shoot bikers enlighten visited answers incoherent splutterings deserve john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply chance ride harley feeling neck calamine lotion good told bored winding americans bombing fish barrel haave niice daay andy 
countersteering post organization university college wales aberystwyth lines nntp posting host article eric uiuc writes post countersteering awful time debating push handle motorcycle foward turning left explain post convert eric able outriggers 
demento organization university college wales aberystwyth lines nntp posting host article brown jennet kirschenbaum writes heard demento years plays stations prov wbcn love shipping recording show boring farts prefer breeze salt lake city wonderfully catatonic wanted station back flight girlie sexy voice morning show 
pink tools girlfriends motorcycles organization university college wales aberystwyth lines nntp posting host prevented diving 
cultural enquiries organization university college wales aberystwyth lines nntp posting host article ravi ravi narayan writes previous article groh andy woodward writes ride harleys lucky told people harley ride johnson jumps indiscreet mind whats ride piece mail fool ravi narayan flames suzukigs phaedra ravi harley lots spare yuppies bought couple years pose wine rode mile walked rest called taxi home back porsche loads cheap miles clock takes coast halt cheers andy class people 
drinking riding organization university college wales aberystwyth lines nntp posting host article bclarke writes article maven norman hamer writes drinking riding general rule thumb sobriety cycling couple hours feel sober work drink tonight ride tomorrow half beer increase confidence slugging reactions judgement hard stay alive length time stacking odds ride 
living organization university college wales aberystwyth lines nntp posting host article writes article phil nasa phil stone writes compliments allan sidestepped point chances sheesh morning risky sprained ankle damn late climbing meet morning bothering foot asleep reminded folding underneath crunching metatarsals lucky brake funny riding london held aloft climbing wasnt problem splint world tight climbing shoe 
protective gear organization university college wales aberystwyth lines nntp posting host article bclarke writes article maven norman hamer writes protective gear important good helmet shoei good thick jacket leather gold pair cheap leather gloves purchase gloves boots leather pants remember tuck properly bits punishment gear feet hips knees boots trousers gloves long control pull arms tuck good gloves hands easily wrecked steady fall bits heal easier fully covered longer tuck back enjoy ride contradictory answers 
listing membership nntp posting host eclipse colorado organization university colorado boulder pizza disposal group lines listing copy commands finger motohead colorado mail motohead colorado send mail make line correct vacation mail problems mine publicly world mailer scan mail find bounces waste time answering questions requests update entry contact kotl kotl make stop bothering inane mail motorcycles give laszlo nemeth laszlo colorado tool works yeah quote elef flashbacks free drugs 
round organization microsystems lines distribution world reply egreen nntp posting host laser east article bill william johns writes good bricks delivered class postage door expense change policies mailing lists facilities quickly lord almighty parted make personal appearance board directors meeting change policies odds equal curious bricks send situatiion cleared satisfaction suspect extremely lucky green ninjaite drinking night biker green showed picture grateful dead 
question synthetic engi article news distribution organization nasa science internet project office lines article fist bellcore richard pierson writes years work conrail mechanic power units train engines change filters remember artical large engine requirements ways prolonging life heated presurized chamber water volitiles boil made long term usage practical discovery channel great curt howland howland nasa sabre meddle afairs wizards makes soggy hard light 
identify bike nntp posting host spot colorado organization university colorado boulder distribution lines bike today lets begin rear definately hawk additionally style tank full fairing tach thought hawk modified brothers racing made huge tank additionally gauges hawk looked gauges bike looked rear single sided swingarm wheel straight hawk boulder doders parked engineering center today white light green stripes nick coburn coburnn colorado 
daemon child nntp posting host corolla organization motorola cellular infrastructure group lines article cookson mitre cookson writes wait minute noemi satan nice noemi makes cuddle kotl dave svoboda svoboda rtsg bone concours mm bone ring ding woops universally feared chicago denizen warcry 
speeding ticket organization university california berkeley lines distribution world nntp posting host homer berkeley paraphrase initial post fight speeding ticket court reply fight ticket california edition david brown berkeley nolo press edition library good luck 
sale organization autodesk sausalito lines brand chambers clean black paul contact email address contact seller cheers dave 
cats dogs organization nasa science internet project office lines article ryang robert yang writes feeling silly appologise matter fact reminds bring found consistant dogs time bike chase bite kill instructor sound bike painfull ears silly seams options arrizen wisdom curt howland howland nasa sabre meddle afairs wizards makes soggy hard light 
auction diana organization nasa science internet project office lines article cjackson curtis jackson writes thing bikes geeky stickers parked local white wine quiche fern quiche note spell assumed correctly tough mommy curtis making ferns 
drinking riding organization nasa science internet project office lines article maven norman hamer writes general rule thumb sobriety cycling couple hours feel sober work drink tonight ride tomorrow vote bike takes involvement accident fault remember artical reviewer radio bike stated bike tended faster music good agree felt physical imparement drinking emotional lift music rule ecology side effect ride curt howland howland nasa sabre meddle afairs wizards makes soggy hard light 
miracle california organization nasa science internet project office lines started riding street bikes told common recieve give wave fellow biker astounded moving left coast coast waves harley riders remember time truely memorable event refuse bring harley rider waves curt howland howland nasa sabre meddle afairs wizards makes soggy hard light 
countersteering post organization nasa science internet project office lines article eric uiuc writes post countersteering eric curt howland howland nasa sabre meddle afairs wizards makes soggy hard light 
daemon child maine organization university maine system lines heading highway finally bike passanger jeff andle maine intermittentnet access arranged bowdoin college reply mail followup expire 
kawi zephyr vision maine organization university maine system lines dinky zephyr alot drooled sports topsham looker mercury axed zephyr guess aging republicans wanted zephyr confused mercury kawasaki kawasaki shake stick asses make libertarians zephyr ball buster tank profile smooth saddle tank transition motorcyclist claims zephyr modernized seventies jeff andle maine intermittentnet access arranged bowdoin college reply mail followup expire 
split insect impacts organization corporate notes server lines hpcc motorcycles cookson mitre cookson people inane wibbling propose split group motorcycles nutrition deal squashed bugs thread dean cookson dcookson mitre corp burlington bedford kotnml kotb worried nekkid green bianchi limited heard cross posting leave intact simply ignore basenotes responses interest stature discriminating taste yesterday lonoak wasp faceshield force glue eyes kill legs frantically wiggling found distracting flicked wiped residue stop greenfield lonoak leads king city metz greenfield graeme harrison hewlett packard communications components division trimble jose gharriso corp 
tools tools tools behanna chris behanna organization systems laboratory lines article jfriedl writes behanna chris behanna writes subject noticed deep craftsman deep small bolt socket exchange deep sockets rack exact problem imply didn mention measure size test callipers cross lengths bolt heads nuts slightly thicker basa sort trapizodial cross section sample bolt store open wrench wrench point normal socket meaning bolt head people pointed noting tool writing case lifetime guarantee necessiarly tools socket thing chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer pending delivery agree raised pack wild corn dogs 
oops ranck ranck organization virginia tech blacksburg virginia nntp posting host joesbar newsreader version lines jack rogers waters jrwaters ncsu wrote article ranck ranck writes damaged bike property feel jerk feel stupid cynic reconsider body work type thing happen wait till bike waited week pastic bits body shop long bill ranck ranck 
quest horndom organization north carolina state university project lines article behanna chris behanna writes article jrwaters ncsu jack rogers waters writes laughing questions relay kinds kind horns volt back eyelids calculations night figure puppies suck amps work maximum efficiency cager shovel clean seat assumptions meter neglecting solid angle considerations effects acoustic niceties shape horn power output watts watts volts approx amps relay post summary information include tips monkey pulling monkey bonded insured work bikes jack waters fear thief night afternoon asleep worry 
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cultural enquiries organization computrac richardson lines article egreen writes article andy woodward writes questions fascinate check local blue light special sale lives rednecks called rednecks origin slang reference sunburned neck obtained performing honest work outdoors neck distinguish people shirt protected chest back pale elitist wealthy idiotic quest darker skin pigmentation badge leisure time overdo full body sunburns backs minds make living ignorant intolerant group level understanding tuba irwin honk computrac richardson irwin lonestar 
hats update patches organization microsystems lines distribution world reply egreen nntp posting host laser east article xhfg rain dean rain dean woodward writes orders hats expensive part surprisingly patches made setup dean engineering inventions wheels contact runs patches patch making company artwork paid green ninjaite drinking night biker green showed picture grateful dead 
chain lube consensus chain cleaning summary application details article cbnewsj organization lines article charlie cmhnet charlie smith writes article cookson mitre cookson writes spray chain reviewed moto rags month yeah sprayed rear drive shaft housing make quieter read instructions supposed spray ears distracted chain noise bikes called chain chuck rogers 
nostalgia question neophyte vech msstate craig vechorik organization mississippi state university nntp posting host msstate lines step write roland slabon pres vintage motorcycle owners exeter hampshire send copy bimonthly info send bucks join price beemers varies wildly unrestored bike runs restored listen bull good ride todays world hell riding single mississippi national rally oshkosh wisconsin july year sincerely craig vechorik ambassador vintage bulletin tech editor real round tail lights roller cranks 
countersteering post organization duke university durham lines nntp posting host north acpub duke article writes article eric uiuc writes post countersteering awful time debating push handle motorcycle foward turning left explain post convert umm push handle bike speed bike turns left methinks bike problem methinks somethings wrong bike meant pull pushing side handlebars send left bike turn send slack andy infante people emphasis observance enforcement calvin coolidge opinions dammit 
cultural enquiries organization institute cognitive studies berkeley lines nntp posting host cogsci berkeley article andy woodward writes bored winding americans bombing fish barrel children market irish hard english types straight michael robinson uucp ucbvax cogsci robinson internet robinson berkeley 
question synthetic engi nntp posting host corolla organization motorola cellular infrastructure group lines article cooley writes article nasa howland nasa curt howland writes castrol syntec teflon greater lubrication bonding metal surfaces engine making metal ride polymer metal metal contact reduces acid contact metal becase forms resin teflon based ptfe slick teflon teflon based teflon dupont owned tradename ptfe slick dupont teflon brands stuff imported ptfe brand teflon trade capitalized dupont disclaims benefits ptfe supply internal combustion engines dave svoboda svoboda rtsg bone concours mm bone ring ding woops universally feared chicago denizen warcry 
countersteering post article earth innjml organization dept university texas austin lines nntp posting host earth utexas article infante duke andrew infante writes article writes article eric uiuc writes post countersteering awful umm push handle bike speed bike turns left methinks bike problem methinks somethings wrong bike meant pull pushing side handlebars send left bike turn send slack andy infante people emphasis lord obcountersteer reason discovered pulling wrong side handlebars pushing wrong side meaning feeling greater control pushing side lean turn lonny pulling left side leaned feels secure counter intuitive psychological obcountersteer find ironic weekend night class mention countersteering riding tommy mcguire head door frames rest evening leaning tight turns mcguire utexas mcguire append disclaimer outgoing public information identifying personal independent 
living organization mindcraft lines article allan mcnaughton writes article phil nasa phil stone writes alan personal object statement rides alan describing pushing envelope necessarily equal taking insane chances riders riding speed riding abilities safety margin left phil excellent rider plenty chances skill wacked luck thrown good rider lucky hope luck holds allan circumstances falls ride fell made error judgement riding fast knew road damp reacted badly surprised oncoming crash factors subject control deny combination luck skill involved blaming luck pain warranted chuck karish karish karish stanford 
recommended bike tall beginner organization mindcraft distribution lines article jtozer ucsd john tozer writes advice bikes check tall find legs hips uncomfortably bent bikes ridden admittedly bikes built taller rider plenty legroom kawasaki short braking department spirited street riding dirt agressive street stuff chuck karish karish karish stanford 
drinking riding organization motorola nntp posting host waccvm corp lines general rule thumb sobriety cycling couple hours feel sober work drink tonight ride tomorrow thread brings back memorys expensive traffic court years waiting turn state case plea cage opportunity listen creative excuses offered judge listening number passing slow truck suddenly speed versions decided judge heard story book impressed young burley docket read drill sargent ohio state highyway patrol trooper clocked riding motorcycle speed zone noted defendant motorcycle rider alcohol breath cited offence judge looked half glasses purched nose sternest voice pretty fast speeds riding motorcycle meekly defenant replied buddys couple beers home offered couple beers home judge moved simplicity response fined maximum case court costs ordered attend remedial drivers training school america great bill mohrman motorola columbus disclaimers apply 
bike organization cafe edge universe lines andy woodward writes weight size rough roads definite starts drift aint catch leavitt bill riding hard concern lighter bike beneficial freenet mike sturdevant writes riding hard concern racerboy attended minibike spectacular attest great deal satisfaction riding fast fast overly concerned able maintain clean line slide occasional tire prefer stay sticky side line found heal days yore knee catch necessarily tires road surface rider ability important criteria horsepower trouble starts drift puny body mass pushing stuff push horsepower straighten change beneficial trajectory bike rider system true bike original thread damn circular threads fast chances mike bill bill leavitt white lightning suzibago leavitt honda lone star sick leave icoa impala convertible incredible hulk hmm thought bore stroke technique michael bain 
protective gear nntp posting host eclipse colorado organization university colorado boulder pizza disposal group lines article maven norman hamer writes question protective gear important good helmet shoei good thick jacket leather gold pair cheap leather gloves purchase gloves boots leather pants condom wone times accident asked wearing protection responces wearing condom 
countersteering post disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host florida rchland organization rochester lines article infante duke andrew infante writes article writes article eric uiuc writes post countersteering awful time debating push handle motorcycle foward turning left explain post convert umm push handle bike speed bike turns left methinks bike problem pushing side handlebars send left slack axel 
rider year organization summary ergonomics tanks keywords congratz lines article prahren uucp peter ahrens writes article charles rogers writes planned year delivery brand male offspring monday sounds planning year harley davidson product delivery human gestation cycle planning hiya pete nice hear finally figure steps ensure storkish repetition drag bars rearsets ergonomic constraints contraceptive consequences ouch brings mind recommendations hurt study rear tank close proximity highly prized easily damaged anatomy hurt recommended manufacturers build tank reduce step function provided rider body slides seat tank unfortunate event bike stops suddenly rider doesn inspiring manufacturers advice heart design bikes chuck rogers 
speeding ticket organization netcom online communication services lines article downey berkeley allen downey writes fight ticket california edition david brown berkeley nolo press edition library good luck daniel matejka writes fourth edition high gotta list article peter nesbitt writes riding work week suisun pulled black white station jameson canyon road officer stated kinda fast coming highway agree disagree beat ticket personally duty citizen make trouble give leave someday legal rights nail guessing speed brown author fight ticket mentions oakland judge convicted speeder officer testimony driver sounded driven excessive speed state insurance company court creative personally judge listens politely attempts argument bikes shorter cars speed nice officer accustomed guessing speed appears greater left step idea make convincing theoretically supposed proving mistaken poor biker mixing facts maximum acceleration distance pacing demonstrating possibly fast suggested brought diagrams calculator prepared lost mind cops time word guess fast bikes time speak english ended absolutely confounding judge room recently criminalized twit quota ahem presentation polished applause 
oficial newbie bike choice article organization university toronto engineering computing facility lines article john daker writes propose official newbie bike choice giving newbies land rocket practice offers power novice rider safely accelerate harms situations experienced rider complex avoidance manouvers accelerate back wheel truck easiest newbies road university toronto computer engineering powerusersgroupchairman taking ride friend 
cultural enquiries organization adobe systems incorporated mountain view lines backs minds make living ignorant intolerant group level understanding confusion rednecks white trash confusion understandable substantial overlap sets clarify rednecks primarily backs minds make living ignorant standards held education basic reading writing math skills important eventual vocation note stupid ignorant stupid high percentage group white trash white trash stereotype referred word nigger black person added bonus white trash hell father genuinely lazy work qualified good dishonest white people snakes squeal boys deliverance rednecks hell white trash white trash assuredly intolerant group level understanding rednecks curtis jackson cjackson adobe hawk maxim kotb black studley doright collie golden george justification taking individuals freedom guise public safety thomas jefferson 
protective gear distribution world organization modem palace reply tony demon newsreader simple news lines article jlevine hydro writes article maven norman hamer writes question protective gear important good helmet shoei good thick jacket leather gold pair cheap leather gloves purchase gloves boots leather pants gloves life skin hands ruins life tony tony kidson request voice morgan towers move mail order morgan road tony demon bromley machine compulink england honda 
twit bicyclists organization distribution lines article cooley writes assholes hope kidding kind attidue motorcyclist killed leather clad poseurs watch swirve swear pretend exist change lanes find necesary wreck enjoyment road boost truely poseur aaron disgruntled volvo drivers rebelling steatopygias hottentot sesquipedalian 
question arai quantum organization distribution lines article amir amir sadr writes problem chin hangs bottom helmet curious problem switch extra large size outer shell arai quantum size large larger rounder helmet size large padding foam large head fits deeper helmet chin stick true arthur fulmer helmets chin hangs bottom large helmet large large snug large dealer replace helmet additional cost shipping make large fact bigger linered chin hang looser head large recent experience helmet hear mail asap amir helmet chin questions write leno tonight show burbank calif good luck steatopygias hottentot sesquipedalian 
living organization louisiana tech university lines nntp posting host engr latech article pooder vnet fearn writes article writes sprained ankle riding broke places knee surgery navy back doctors cast ankle method transportaion dohc honda time found sliding back seat heel mention left operate shift hook lever heel lift entire shifts drop lever shifts forget nutral finesse crutches bungee corded side bike resting passenger turnsignal sticking hole crutches rode miles physical therapy tourture sessions give hell riding bike riding condition stop bike assembled floor barracks room rode stairs completed paid opinion speed suzuki 
speeding ticket disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host florida rchland organization rochester lines article dmatejka daniel matejka writes article downey berkeley allen downey writes fight ticket california edition david brown berkeley nolo press edition library good luck daniel matejka writes beat ticket personally duty citizen make trouble give leave someday legal rights nail guessing speed brown author fight ticket mentions oakland judge convicted speeder officer testimony driver sounded driven excessive speed cough choke gave ticket sounding speeding show court lawyer simply sounding speeding ridiculous found guilty appeal show lawyer vascar plane radar lidar electronic speed measuring device pace limit court accept excessively fast limit looked zone reasonable doubt granted lose case measured court axel 
protective gear article organization evans sutherland computer corporation lines nntp posting host bambam article maven norman hamer writes question protective gear important good helmet shoei good thick jacket leather gold pair cheap leather gloves purchase gloves boots leather pants favorite body part blaine gardner evans sutherland bgardner 
rider year keywords congratz article organization evans sutherland computer corporation lines nntp posting host bambam article charles rogers writes article prahren uucp peter ahrens writes drag bars rearsets ergonomic constraints contraceptive consequences ouch brings mind recommendations hurt study rear tank close proximity highly prized easily damaged anatomy hurt recommended manufacturers build tank reduce step function provided rider body slides seat tank unfortunate event bike stops suddenly rider doesn inspiring manufacturers advice heart design bikes dunno tank seat junction nice smooth travel forward collect triple clamp sensitive area hate make choice prefer tank blaine gardner evans sutherland bgardner 
speeding ticket organization queernet lines interesting fight ticket chance show show point lied purgered ticket beleive charged posted speed severe ticket ossibly rochlin uunet unpc protect 
eating riding drinking riding article pnakada pnakada organization oracle corporation redwood shores lines nntp posting host pnakada oracle disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle feeling eating riding riding weekend carried pecan ride back felt sluggish alert ride feeling strangest thing eating turnaround point weekend rides snack full sluggish feeling closer home paul paul nakada oracle corporation pnakada 
protective gear nntp posting host seahunt imat organization seahunt francisco lines article jlevine hydro jody levine writes good gloves loose find suggest donating lautrec family france michael michael nelson internet nelson imat 
goldwing performance organization corporate notes server lines hpcc motorcycles stafford winona msus john stafford article cdodson stratus craig dodson wrote summary back motorcyclist interestingly winnebago bikes faster harleys listed depreciates faster john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply traps cycle magazine yeah depreciate faster harleys couple years bottom miles odometer miles onnit cost originally sold brand case depreciated years mere hairy deal based harleys tend depreciate monies initial depreciation bike parts service harleys holding wash knocks slower peter egan released cycle world flhs real pillions wife money defecate graeme harrison hewlett packard communications components division trimble jose gharriso corp 
data logging organization boeing commercial airplane support lines steer sources information vehicle data logging systems build system small motorcycle input sensors pressure lvdt acceleration sensor digitize record analysis email info interesting compile marty capadona marty boeing seattle hawk wmrra omrra forget 
drinking riding organization manes associates newsreader version lines norman hamer maven wrote general rule thumb sobriety cycling couple hours feel sober work drink tonight ride tomorrow depends badly live hours bottle throttle pilots recommends twenty hours fars blood alcohol level legally drunk strict minimums alcohol metabolizes blood fixed rate beer hour blood alcohol level barely street legal coffee hyperventilation tricks speed fool ranger stephen manes manes linknet manes associates york 
fork seals distribution world organization organization lines undertake changing fork seals clymer manual tools kawasaki handle thing illustration type adapter handle illustration tool manual refers kawasaki tool seal bearing remover tools dealers clymer manual fork seals turn signal assembly stock doubt tools stock week appreciated vela oakland psgi todd bike sold todd doolittle line troy 
info wanted organization junior electrical computer engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew selling miles great condition perfect shape hard saddle bags good deal awesome deal assuming true 
motorcycle courier summer distribution world organization organization lines article gaijin japan john nihon repair depot writes article ryan cousineau questor ryan cousineau writes found ultimate summer dangerous involves motorcycles requires high speeds traffic pays question sort work experience stuff deleted good atoz type indexed streetmap areas work carry plenty black plastic liners check local fire department buddy firefighter small books amazing compact easy folding cross reference section match current cross streets cross streets details quickest route gave extra laying people supposed give sell police similar john gaijin microsystems atsugi japan vela oakland psgi todd bike sold todd doolittle line troy 
backpack keywords backpack rucksack knee protection organization university pennsylvania language analysis center lines nntp posting host upenn summer approaches usual preparations made thinking overnite camping trips local state forests planning backpack rucksack question carry thing bike metal frame backrest approx high hoping able bungee cord backpack backrest experiences experimentation taking idea happen backpack fully loaded full load load distribution severly affected bike perform load clinging back rest secure shifting increase chances surfing collective wisdom requested afford leather pants boots jeans make knee protectors rollerbladers bean sells idea equivalents give ambidextrous 
sale distribution organization oracle corporation lines originator gdoherty oracle nntp posting host oracle disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle posted friend reply dschick sale offer bike full faring great touring commuting miles cared bike hard saddle left side stolen harro tank large ungo alarm interested drop line 
drinking riding organization organization mass confusion lines mjmuise watstar uwaterloo mike muise writes article maven norman hamer writes general rule thumb sobriety cycling couple hours feel sober work drink tonight ride tomorrow drink drinks hours drink drinks hours drink rest alcohol server class years employer paid told drink hour rule written proof booze pound person mind drinking cuervo gold weighing drunk faster theoretical person mentioned worse imagine coke made bacardi mind drunk drive riding month plan evenings rigid exclusive statement drink ride pretty simple fairly cautious guidelines work happen tolerance body mass cops dare drink drive commercials drink general drinks legal limit watch mike mike policy works fertilizer plan drive home nice safe cage mike muise mjmuise watstar uwaterloo quotes jokes electrical engineering university waterloo disclaimer fear dean woodward step world dean rain socio psychotic state bliss virago guns roses world 
drinking riding organization organization mass confusion lines cjackson curtis jackson writes article mjmuise wats cops dare drink drive commercials drink general drinks legal limit watch smart food drink food coating stomach lining things milk temporarily retard absorption alcohol food digested absorption proceed drunker higher instantaneous drunk drink empty stomach food drunk drinking empty stomach early hours drunk drinking empty stomach hours curtis jackson cjackson adobe hawk maxim kotb black studley doright collie golden george justification taking individuals freedom guise public safety thomas jefferson alcohol server class absolute eating drinking slow absorption minutes time slam beer ride hell make home minutes left paying donning helmet gloves starting bike dean woodward step world dean rain socio psychotic state bliss virago guns roses world 
mgnoc address article usenet prsuk organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host cwru current moto guzzi national owners club address mail advance 
backpack keywords backpack rucksack knee protection article weber ramage organization department computer science lines sanjay upenn sanjay sinha writes summer approaches usual preparations made thinking overnite camping trips local state forests planning backpack rucksack question carry thing bike metal frame backrest approx high hoping able bungee cord backpack backrest experiences experimentation taking idea happen backpack fully loaded full load load distribution severly affected bike perform load clinging back rest secure shifting increase chances surfing ride bike regularly classes book shoulder straps hook rear turn signals works fine attach bungee cord shifting side ramage ramage scarolina vulcan wanted harley lottery bats smart radar letterman 
hudson questions almanac distribution world organization robert smits lines davide dave edmondson writes dave tharp davet wrote article almanac writes main designers bert vack broke records brooklands late early bert vack records indians including brooklands november powerplus racing model busy tuner round guru worked george brough post details illustrated ecyclopedia motorcycles sounds book copy illustrated encyclopedia motorcycles edited erwin tragatsch published hamlyn publishing group limited astronaut house hounslow road feltham middlesex england published mine reprinted cost pounds paid canadian dollars idea print robert smits ladysmith lucas built weapons wars almanac start 
organization triumf university meson facility lines distribution world nntp posting host erich triumf keywords sharp news software vnews article jlevine hydro jody levine writes article jonathan quist writes article pooder msus writes sampled recently unauthorized software inspector general report inspector general make excellency inspector general hail hail brodney behold lord high executioner discussed mail jonathan film inspector general danny kaye quote leading lady maltin jonathan thinks earlier russian film movies based gogol jonathan looked story ivan reid paul scherrer institute ivan porsche pass 
sale kawasaki michigan article brian vaughan distribution world organization university michigan lines nntp posting host umich sale kawasaki miles excellent condition garage joyfully marches music rank file earned contempt large brain mistake spinal cord fully suffice albert einstein brian vaughan brian vaughan umich 
beer bicyclists organization elect armts army armt picatinny arsenal lines nntp posting host gator pica army article ivan triumf ivan reid wrote article tcora army coradeschi writes mxcrew crew wrote information flame budweiser beer csfr nowadays tschechien german word czechoslovakia budweiser budwar pronounced short split czech republic slovakia couple years official czech slovak republics sheesh yuppietv coradeschi tcora army usenet herd performing elephants diarrhea massive difficult redirect inspiring entertaining source mind boggling amounts excrement expect gene spafford 
speeding ticket article apollo organization hewlett packard company chelmsford lines nntp posting host fantail apollo article crucej jerry cruce writes peter nesbitt wrote riding work week suisun pulled black white station jameson canyon road officer stated kinda fast coming highway agree disagree time stoped admit volunteer information retoracle question kinda fast coming highway correct reponse deny technique employed police establish guilt times speeding unsure difference letting hook tissue hope helps time steven bakalis 
identify bike article colorado reply frahm colorado organization department rudeness pomposity lines nntp posting host sluggo colorado article cjackson curtis jackson writes article coburnn colorado nicholas coburn writes thought hawk modified brothers racing made huge tank additionally bike white green stripe honda decals bike numerous times sewall hall thought race prepped parking buzzed home block route single sided swingarm imagine kinda neccisary quick tire assumed bike repainted cover crash damage joel 
backpack organization virginia tech blacksburg virginia lines nntp posting host joesbar newsreader version sanjay sinha sanjay upenn wrote question carry thing bike metal frame backrest approx high hoping able bungee cord backpack backrest experiences experimentation pack pillion bungee backrest able bungee backrest make bend break rear fender turnsignals bill ranck ranck cars making sudden turn dangerous blocking roadway leaving place motorcycle operator manual sixth 
kawi zephyr vision article crdnns reply sprattli sprattling organization corp center schenectady lines nntp posting host azores article shadow haven writes asphaug arizona erik asphaug writes short lived zephyr essentially zephyr discontinued heard problem hear ford anemic sized back decade rented ruin zephyr roderick sprattling great time small sprattli feet fire back wall 
rider year keywords congratz article myrddin organization seahunt francisco lines nntp posting host seahunt imat article charles rogers writes ouch brings mind recommendations hurt study rear tank close proximity highly prized easily damaged anatomy hurt recommended manufacturers build tank reduce step function provided rider body slides seat tank unfortunate event bike stops suddenly rider doesn inspiring manufacturers advice heart design bikes riding goodies tank design corbin seat move forward major danger cajones accelerating stopped tank impact problem michael michael nelson internet nelson imat 
thoughts yamaha seca turbo article research organization systems laboratory lines article howp writes wondering yamaha seca turbo buying seca turbo canadian bike comments pounce fairly rare bikes adequate putting brown stripe shorts power wheelie appeal thought things stock clutch task barnett care back tire wears quickly induction system bear work chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer pending delivery agree raised pack wild corn dogs 
tools tools tools article organization university texas austin austin lines article behanna chris behanna writes subject noticed deep craftsman deep small bolt socket exchange deep sockets rack exact problem socket appears craftsman toolmaker attempted imitate flank drive piece account extra clearance needed inside socket problem mine bolt slightly larger wrench pickup nuts annoying metric threads body metric engine jeep wrangler sale holley camaro 
live free quietly article magnus organization ohio state university lines nntp posting host bottom magnus ohio state article russell hughes ussell hughes writes great back home night fantastic skiing colorado battery back fxstc cleaned plugs opened petcock waited minute starter bingo started charm spent restless night anticipating ride saison morning state inspection bike stock slash pipes lies slash baloney cuts call stock mufflers sold road louder stock mufflers arnie 
tracing license plates cagers article adobe organization adobe systems incorporated mountain view lines morning truck sight miles suddenly forgot existed pulled front wheel back edge front passenger door accelerating past trivial brakes slide slewed signal horn blaring damn fiamms satisfaction aware surroundings surviving pulled alongside bastard made apologetic wave memorize license plate offending vehicle address owner firebomb houses write consciousness raising letter good cagers live brain cells driving usual curtis jackson cjackson adobe hawk maxim kotb black studley doright collie golden george justification taking individuals freedom guise public safety thomas jefferson 
california helmet article article prcrs organization realty systems mclean lines peticolas writes works present paragraph virtually member motorcycling public argument produce favor banning helmetless riding argue favor banning motorcycles matter degree absurd statement argument favor seatbelts airbags argument automobiles argument lifeguards argument swimming agrgument favor safety precautions argument banning activity precautions apply extrapolating degree ridiculous normal human activity left seqitur people ride motorcycles boat sail jetski climb parachute hang glide glide bungee jump bike skate rollerblade skateboard play rugby ouch lawn rewire basement operate heavy machinery host dangerous things valid motorcycling activities homily applies things general public buying banning motorcycles realizing activity terry cunningham terry donuts diviner dreams homer hifi 
live free quietly article adobe organization adobe systems incorporated mountain view lines article russell hughes russell hughes writes start fail register allowed fail pipes time make numbers believable poor flamebait close sound jumbo engine takeoff revs small number yards pain threshold humans hell state permits standard curtis jackson cjackson adobe hawk maxim kotb black studley doright collie golden george justification taking individuals freedom guise public safety thomas jefferson 
kawi zephyr vision keywords zephyr stock forks mushy dive article jethro psrdn reply elef distribution world organization sunconnect lines nntp posting host smarmy article arizona asphaug arizona erik asphaug writes dave read review engine pretty identical suspension frame modern fancy piggyback shocks nice adjustability forks crappy dive progressive springs installed made huge difference cheap improvement elef 
motor article tekgen organization tektronix colorado data systems englewood lines article markk mark kromer writes article leavitt bill writes pistons bores lower bottom deleted carried procedure visualize fewer problems canting pistons cylinders method trouble keeping bores suspended pistons working space insert piston pins clips pistons easy cases strokes common bikes cylinder mounting studs prevent cylinder removed engine frame assembled indian easier studs base flange studs separate head bolts dontchaknow foresight rags duct tape clips falling clothespins hoseclamps support cylinder inserting pins called gudgeon pins gudgeon dave tharp wear davet indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief built rocks velorex knocks compulsive harleys employer idea joiner give grief 
cylinder running nntp posting host umanitoba organization university manitoba winnipeg canada lines lmcstst ericsson stamos stamos writes article behanna chris behanna writes power hmm dyno jetted waiting snow melt factory advance jets stock book calif strange dyno handy heard bikes tuned perfection dyno close edge street cold morning apparently back track pays money jorg klinger gsxr arch services lost horizons umanitoba embalmer anonymous stamos ellas ericsson cellular design montreal canada 
johs reply cactus distribution organization lines davet dave tharp writes article cactus writes cookson mitre cookson writes bozo posts gifs moto postmaster copies post mailboxes great picture fault taste technique chill educate panties bunch ditto dave picture bacground single message panties senner cactus austin warning laser remaining posted radioactive isotope research 
drinking riding bclarke organization systems corporation lines article manes linknet steve manes writes drinking riding depends badly live hours bottle throttle pilots recommends twenty hours fars blood alcohol level legally drunk strict minimums york limit bruce clarke environment mail bclarke 
protective gear bclarke organization systems corporation lines article tony demon tony kidson writes article jlevine hydro writes article maven norman hamer writes protective gear important gloves life skin hands ruins life life bruce clarke environment mail bclarke 
live free quietly russell hughes russell hughes organization heaven posted internews lines great back home night fantastic skiing colorado battery back fxstc cleaned plugs opened petcock waited minute starter bingo started charm spent restless night anticipating ride saison morning state inspection bike stock slash pipes hampshire state inspection meaning lights worked dude produces decibel meter tells noise start fail register allowed fail pipes lotta pissed bikers round inspection experience felt menace society parked dismounted walked building slight swagger step narrow lidded sensed faculty colleagues unease intimidating status women glances linger longer imagination sigh install pipes single fire ignition russ hughes fxstc love yeah feeling motorcycle sonny barger told campbell friend time 
insect impacts nntp posting host ucalgary organization university calgary alberta lines article labrg ryan montieth gill writes problems small birds large raptor types swooping road smallish prey hawk falcon feet lucky matter noticed pulled trajectory moment scared shit outa tailed hawk face talons riding nighthawk hmm ryan male mallard duck chest kicked karate instructor accident eyes tearing hard wheezing loudly remarkable able stop rubber side duck lived healthy roadside shook heads minutes bruise collar bone belly button charles span weeks heard elements separate threads conjoined time struck form chord hollow echoing gourd unknown person 
limit vetoed lines radio morning denmark portugal vetoed proposal limit sold bikes reason limit supported accident statistics rare governmental wisdom limit year moratorium specialist manufacturers exempt suspicion crafty trick restrict market europe triumph norton cagiva ducati sort dangerous rubbish stalls gatt talks heard bill univ edinburgh replete healthy blue exhaust 
speeding ticket organization distribution lines article dmatejka daniel matejka writes article downey berkeley allen downey writes fight ticket california edition david brown berkeley nolo press edition library good luck daniel matejka writes fourth edition high gotta list article peter nesbitt writes riding work week suisun pulled black white station jameson canyon road officer stated kinda fast coming highway agree disagree beat ticket personally duty citizen make trouble give leave someday citizen duty force government accountability anecdotes deleted proving mistaken poor biker mixing facts maximum acceleration distance pacing demonstrating possibly fast suggested brought diagrams calculator prepared lost mind cops time word mind cops court started decide fight ready devise strategy make story doubtful judge jury mind guess fast bikes time speak english ended absolutely confounding judge room recently criminalized twit quota ahem presentation polished applause mcfarland marshalls corner marshals seat house watch motorcycle roadracing passing waving yellow 
carrying crutches living organization triumf university meson facility lines distribution world nntp posting host erich triumf news software vnews article freenet mike sturdevant writes knee rebuilt back street bike asap crutches rack passenger seat hung back long make tied tight front problemo sounds trick local cagers crutch length tail light give break broke ankle dirt biking ended strapping crutches back bike riding ankle bike started easily hand ivan reid paul scherrer institute ivan beware drainage ditches firetrails 
thoughts yamaha seca turbo organization university saskatchewan lines nntp posting host sask usask wondering yamaha seca turbo buying seca turbo canadian bike comments peter institute space atmospheric studies university saskatchewan saskatoon saskatchewan canada usask clapped ford truck 
cold organization university college wales aberystwyth lines nntp posting host thing cold minutes stop hold muffler careful youre cold muffler feel fine till leave charred skin peel hands speak experience kindsa americanism damage circulation warming hands fastest safest shove hands opposit sleeves stand ming emporer minutes 
cold organization university college wales aberystwyth lines nntp posting host ride season thing cold minutes stop hold muffler home hours gear half hour house humidity wind protection hell warm retired fleece aerostich month temperature aboce living couple years dole afford heating gear october bike luxury comparison oyur usuallu warm relative happy cold riding pain makes worthwhile 
freezing riding organization university college wales aberystwyth lines nntp posting host spec alertness squished dangerous unpleasant cold fatigue half hour station insure make yeah hypothermia detrimemtal judgement reactions people realise patience stop begin shiver stop warm leave till shivering stops doesnt means danger road brain body working fast tree grows realise till stage passing means falling 
drinking riding organization university college wales aberystwyth lines nntp posting host ride bike drive truck home judgement motor skills needed pilot moto required cage scares piece psychology essential long term biker understand people suffer assess things purely suffer vital concept bike cage interaction 
eating riding drinking riding xxdate nntp posting host bcarm organization useragent nuntius lines article paul nakada pnakada writes feeling eating riding riding weekend carried pecan ride back felt sluggish alert ride feeling strangest thing eating turnaround point weekend rides snack full sluggish feeling closer home paul paul nakada oracle corporation pnakada maintain senses sharpest full meal ride slim fast lite ride found times parliament buildings suffered secs resultant pound weight loss summer sharpens bike handling forward winter carbo loading obligatory dave true money talks mine spoke drink 
thoughts yamaha seca turbo organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply john daker nntp posting host previous article howp wondering yamaha seca turbo buying seca turbo canadian bike comments good faith recommend seca turbo power delivery uneven novice official newbie bike choice powerband wide delivery smooth perfect beginner darkman significant problems face solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion 
insect impacts organization ontario hydro research division lines feel childish article egreen writes article hydro jlevine hydro jody levine writes helmetless people horseback fast enjoy eating bugs fast dirtbike terrain flies mentioned dirtbikes talking highway speeds dirtbike feel free contribute jeeps supposed windscreen jeep didn friend mine bought warning stickers wheelers guess becuase wheeler written places windshield remain times made pain fair admit similar matter drive windscreenless jeep highway bikers participate discussion maintain topic interest primarily bikers snow skis bugs poeple fast wear goggles helmetless motorcyclists notice picked insignificant lower case part parts statement rare bikers wear goggles street full face shield open face aviator sunglasses experience bicycling contact lenses sunglasses wraparound sunglasses crap eyes question stands cruiser riders negligible helmets stand highway buggy summer evenings helmetless goggleless fine lets make attmept stick point road stop half hour clean shield bugs jacket blood splattered mess shorty helmets goggles long beards tight shirts merrily cruising bikes windscreens lets specific time understands anbody splattering bugs face reasons image laziness make point freedom splattering bike jody levine jody levine ride toronto ontario canada 
drinking riding gross organization ontario hydro research division lines article mjmuise watstar uwaterloo mike muise writes drink drinks hours drink drinks hours drink rest case makes throw needless drink anymore time happened year undergrad silly breath pretty breath bike jody levine jody levine ride toronto ontario canada 
countersteering post organization ontario hydro research division lines article mcguire utexas tommy marcus mcguire writes obcountersteer reason discovered pulling wrong side handlebars pushing wrong side meaning feeling greater control pushing side lean turn lonny pulling left side leaned feels secure counter intuitive psychological told newbie friend mine trouble complicated explanations rider handlebars lean turn push handlebar pull left lean worked stopped steering tuchus bike jody levine jody levine ride toronto ontario canada 
riding jacket recommendations nntp posting host udel organization center composite materials university delaware lines jacket bite dust market riding jacket recommendations suitable replacement full aerostich suit afford basic options aerostich jacket dunno costs recent price increases imagine pushing limit advantages include fact pants eliminates jacket portion rainsuit kind leather jacket hein gericke firstgear line pricey work sort deal advantages leather potentially slightly protection enhanced pose important possibly cheaper upper aerostich requirements jacket layers sizing thing leather prefer lining body armor similar aerostich elbows shoulders forearms possibly back kidney protection reasonable amount pocket space nice ventilation wearable cold weather freezing layers electrics fire suggestions comments steve steve andersen andersen udel andersen udel ducati yamaha life simply consequence complexities carbon chemistry 
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insect impacts organization louisiana tech university lines nntp posting host engr latech article jlevine hydro jody levine writes article egreen writes article hydro jlevine hydro jody levine writes fast dirtbike terrain flies mentioned dirtbikes talking highway speeds dirtbike feel free contribute rode good open class bike paid opinion speed suzuki 
crappy honda lines organization university waterloo small question bike fairly experienced mechanic honda trip daytona bike week spring sudden trailed smoke hell running cylinder towed bike home perfect working order cracks heads pistons cylinder walls clean wear pistons cylinders measurable factory specs thing find slightly bigger ring cylinder problem wear limit clymer manual bike syggestions problem hone cylinder walls make rougher criss cross pattern order breaking rings increase wear pistons send comments sruhl watstar uwaterloo advance stef stefan ruhl german exchange student poke privacy 
insured liability insurance required nntp posting host azores reply sprattli sprattling organization corp center schenectady lines article viking sorenson writes annoyed insurance insured liability mandating play game silly game play financially secure involved bonded option recognized roderick sprattling great time small sprattli feet fire back wall 
bike sale harley flhtc organization department electrical engineering lines sale harley flhtc liberty edition good condition extras located rhode island peter levine plevine 
goldwing performance reply randy organization megatek corporation diego california lines article gharriso corp graeme harrison writes peter egan released cycle world flhs real pillions wife money doesn defecate mystique buying extra randy davis email randy pilot uunet ucsd megatek randy 
tracing license plates cagers article reply chris steinbroner organization kernel cupertino lines nntp posting host hesh newsreader version curtis jackson cjackson wrote driver looked casually couple times knew case attemped vehicular manslaughter wanted kill cagers kill bikers explanation hesh 
sale husqvarna distribution organization applied biosystems lines sale model husqvarna enduro model year engine stroke extras ignition easy starting suspension aftershock custom carbon fiber kevlar skid plate quick steering geometry stock legal quiet exhaust system bark busters hand guards motion clutch cable price contact denis concordel mail denis mabell work home selling trusty husky husaberg good dirt bike maintained perfectly problems stroke valves liquid cooled engine heavier stroke lighter honda suspension ohlins shock husky fork casual competitive rider engine stroke easily hills blast trails minimum gear ignition carefully tuned carburation makes bike easy start starts kick cold custom made carbon kevlar light pound wrap skid plate protect engine cases water pump steering angle reduced degree increase steering quickness suspension tune phil douglas aftershock multiple time isde rider ride bike plush suspension responsive steering head shake good bike sell husaberg husky pounds lighter 
speeding ticket advice article mcimail organization utexas mail news gateway lines nntp posting host utexas time respond post fighting ticket wrote successfully fought case court lost outright lying judge circumstances surrounding ticket fellow lost judge mood foolishness suggested obtain book called fight ticket general theme prepared research back review scene transcribe happened tape paper witnesses list questions judge positive assertive innocent proven guilty people suggested court date changed trip arresting officer show date feels chance individual stated officer expert witness speeding damn speeding paced clocked radar lots good suggestions ideas peter nesbitt traffic controller pnesbitt oakland tracon 
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observation helmets altnet lines dropped shoei seat bike rock centerstand chipped heck paint cheerfully spent bottle testor model paint repainted scratches chips minutes drying realized smokes cage running bike store wanting mess paint heck helmet standard cheapie openface notice difference switched shoei switching back worth damn wide sides short front back faceplate bloody windy shoei ignore face shield taxiing driveway smegging wind question passenger helmets ride meet church meeting yeah ticket guidelines pick shoei size backup helmet inexpensive smaller size accomodate passenger 
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bikes dogs organization ontario hydro research division lines article bclarke writes article wendel writes heard rider giving great dane ride back bike love make work post month riders carting sidecar great dane back sounds hairy yeah love ride type sticks head windows enjoy bungee corded tank squirming beast backpack bike jody levine jody levine ride toronto ontario canada 
handling request lines nntp posting host organization nanyang technological university singapore ican handson experience riding yamaha kindly comment handling 
motorcycle detailing nntp posting host organization evans sutherland computer corporation lines article mbeaving writes hate speedo tach bike start cloud nasty sunshine detailing week rubbing compound moisten apply rubbing compound work translucent previously transparent material minutes working plastic face dial plastic face clear work glass couple tips make habit parking bike instruments facing meguiar mirror glaze plastic polish plastic cleaner canned product plug roise seattleu linda roise writes novice question clean face shield remove abrasions meguiar mirror glaze plastic polish plastic cleaner mild abrasives meant remove scratches plastic fine scratches polish bigger start cleaner finish polish stuff bucks bottle auto motorcycle parts stores choke price bottles years stuff works great plastic watch crystals compact discs blaine gardner evans sutherland bgardner 
hard copy pursuit summary shit keywords running police article news distribution motorcycles organization university illinois urbana lines hard copy katana pulled police guess speeding step dude punches interstate georgia chase interesting episode videotaped dramatic takeoff chase sidestreet battle happened relentless chased cage disco lights slows couple times taunt blowing stop signs making jump side dead street latest machine high performance machine slams brakes couse cages disco lights stop fast high performance machines cage plows luckily dude wearing helmet hurt dude crazy yeah played mouse friends crazy crap convince shit dude collided head kawasaki team colors looked good scratches front inch long engine minor scratches slow advocate cages make annoying noises time punched mighty ninja remember step time peace ride kinda safe warren suzuki travel uiuc deal riding annie robotech 
wanted advice custom purchase keywords purchase organization systems laboratory lines article cookson mitre cookson writes article parr ucalgary charles parr writes mechanic commented dual range transmission pure junk mans opinion friend pittsburgh dual range tranny economy range overdrive sixth gear miles stolen recovered shortly repaired strong shaft driven overbore version made year head base gaskets expensive helluva bike data point chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer agree raised pack wild corn dogs 
tangentially live free quietly nntp posting host nickel indiana organization indiana university lines article jlevine hydro jody levine writes impertinent stuff deleted showing canadian university ness talking bike jody levine jody levine ride toronto ontario canada breath poser university ness leave stuff professionals henry prange biker professional breath physiology blgtn bmwmoa ride conv cage explorer cage unifying trait species relentless pursuit folly hypocrisy national religion country 
boom hubcap attack nntp posting host foxtrot iscp bellcore organization bellcore lines article speedy latech speedy mercer writes attacked rabid hubcap work yamaha twin vibrating tank heard wierd noise left caught glimpse silver headed left foot jerked nanosecond bike hard left side foot back found pulled nearest parking discovered wire wheel type hubcap large cage hubcap weighed pounds impact bent left flat frame tweeked shifter process heard approaching feel certian sans portion left foot sort experience lumber yard delivery trucks made life interesting road sheets sheetrock dozen gallon cans spackle real interesting seconds wood mallet dried spackle helmet bike home tail kenworth lumber truck path drive made tires threw monsoon tires cans spackle burst impact front lane brakes nailed bridge abutment half messiest time diego back apartment ocean beach sportster picked shake burger fries jack stuffed foul weather jacket milk shake opened nimitz blvd smell vanilla milk shake cooking engine runs groin legs people waiting back make left turn types ships navy submarines targets raise richard pierson vnet internet fist bellcore uunet uunet fist include opinions shop malls jeans jackets ammo store 
boom hubcap attack organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply john daker nntp posting host previous article speedy latech speedy mercer attacked rabid hubcap work yamaha twin vibrating tank heard wierd noise left caught glimpse silver headed left foot jerked nanosecond bike hard left side foot back found pulled nearest parking discovered wire wheel type hubcap large cage hubcap weighed pounds impact bent left flat frame tweeked shifter process heard approaching feel certian sans portion left foot hmm wondered hubcap darkman significant problems face solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion 
handling request organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply john daker nntp posting host previous article ican handson experience riding yamaha kindly comment handling kidding flame bait extreme handling darkman significant problems face solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion 
contact person boots keywords combat nntp posting host cunixf columbia reply columbia robert castro organization columbia university lines dodland able giving contact purchase pair military borne combat boots size boots read moto calf height boots velcro enclosure phoned carry item admit deepest bowels search made calls bigger army navy type stores luck place carry item mail order appreciated castro email columbia live today phone today live york york 
hard copy pursuit organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply john daker nntp posting host previous article uiuc daniel warren hard copy watch latest machine high performance machine slams brakes couse cages disco lights stop fast high performance machines cage plows fault rear ending bike closely reckless driving darkman significant problems face solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion 
handling request organization news organization lines nntp posting host calvin article writes ican handson experience riding yamaha kindly comment handling ridden designed monster straight line corners fact handle curves designed cents alan 
rejetting carbs nntp posting host bmdhh organization europe maidenhead newsreader version distribution lines mark kromer wibbled article rtaraz ramin taraz wrote amount exhaust allowed leave engine exhaust pipe make difference amount fuel mixture cylender sucks suck depends speed piston pressure cylinder exhaust stroke poor exhaust system pressure atmospheric pipe scavenges substantially atmospheric effect vary depending tune pipe pipes combined large valve overlap reverse intake flow blow mixture carb pipes effective range question resistence engine conserned resistance exhaust resistance results bike push rider completely things state pipe determines power motor make load bike determines power motor make pilot payload mechanic glad fuel injection needles orifices venturi pressures worse school human biology reproduction lessons made feel queasy nick simple minded biker concise oxford tube rider nick pettefar contractor incarcerated maidenhead united kingdom npet pres pbwasoh 
liability insurance required organization systems laboratory distribution lines article tcora army coradeschi writes article fist bellcore richard pierson wrote lets fault stuff straight lived started rates alot moved rates alot story sitting parking lunch wacks guess insurance pays give bzzt driver fault insurance pays deductible recoups total cost company fancy word escapes pays deductible company takes longer cash opposed state farm check today spot damage wife cage word subrogation wait money scumbag insurance save deductible scumbag insurance scum insurance deductible insurance pack rabid large fanged lawyers recover damages scum insurance lawyers true call security lawyers chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer agree raised pack wild corn dogs 
bikes dogs nntp posting host spot colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article wendel writes heard rider giving great dane ride back bike love make work wendel back tricky boulder golden retriever sidecar wearing wwii style goggles joke nick coburn coburnn colorado 
ducati opinions wanted lines nntp posting host able frankb frank ball writes godfrey digiorgi ramarren wrote ducati model essentially reduced displacement means weighs size power produced specifically meet vehicle restriction markets makes commercially viable sold unneeded unwanted large overweight motor handle magnificently fast flaws mention limited steering lock annoyance noted testers mirrors perfect ducati model essentially reduced displacement means weighs size nope lightrer power brakes single disk impressive fingers lever beth horror lifted rear wheel fine randy mamola impression large overweight motor handle magnificently fast feeling fast beth give liter bike riders fits future flaws mention limited steering lock steering locks adjustable annoyance noted testers mirrors perfect beth sees fine filled black leather concours sophisticated lady dietrich sportster sport sale spike garage queued fssnoc jousts gather kspt bell cool rule mail lewis disclaimer takes responsibility opinions preceding 
tire date codes nntp posting host mbunix mitre organization mitre corp bedford distribution lines mailed noticed long tread rear tire deep tread block scratched rubber base weird thing edge scuffed tire questions dangerous replace tire unscuffed portion tire chances replaced warranty nedod mailing list jack tavares suggested check tire tactic replaced file read date codes handy dean dean cookson dcookson mitre corp burlington bedford kotnml kotb road shepherd stop eliott road hogs bianchi limited 
versus math nntp posting host ucalgary organization university calgary alberta lines article robinson berkeley michael robinson writes article klinger umanitoba jorg klinger writes npet nick pettefar writes manual velcro wibbled greater greater obvious number year improvements year question hell beat today breaking sweat twisties year cumbersome practical repeating decimals remember good days hexadecimals binaries legal smoked blue stuff pipes slaughter decimal road sigh nostalgia charles span weeks heard elements separate threads conjoined time struck form chord hollow echoing gourd unknown person 
drinking riding nntp posting host ucalgary organization university calgary alberta lines article maven norman hamer writes general rule thumb sobriety cycling couple hours feel sober work drink tonight ride tomorrow interesting discussion limit standard serving alcohol ride alcohol special fine good wine vsop drink alcohol important financial reasons magazines claims follow aviation guideline alcohol whatsoever riding company bike remember years charles hicc span weeks heard elements separate threads conjoined time struck form chord hollow echoing gourd unknown person 
johs nntp posting host bmdhh organization europe maidenhead newsreader version lines wvnet writes ducati quuncd theodore kaldis begin part afkin great backdrop apollo thingy people stop admire trouble contact archive sites stuff good gifs hesitate post thing nick idiot biker concise oxford bras nick pettefar contractor incarcerated maidenhead united kingdom npet pres pbwasoh 
camping question nntp posting host bmdhh organization europe maidenhead newsreader version lines sanjay sinha wibbled posted previous quest camping info question strictly stuff thermos flask coffee real unbreakable type metal type wasted money matched vacuum glass type info appreciated sanjay back youth ahem wiffy purchased gadget heated water source thought worked slight problem revs lower motor lack electron movement made interesting cups coffee plot routes contained straights miles sufficient time water boiling point difficult england good luck quest nick biker concise oxford nick pettefar contractor incarcerated maidenhead united kingdom npet pres pbwasoh 
turbocharged motorbikes north america organization computer science dept university london newsreader version lines article howp writes thinking manufacturers make bikes turbos expense complexity make reliable controllable bike extreme turbo cost mike hailwood replica ducati david edmondson davide queen mary westfield college guzzi mans means horse drawn zeppelin 
cats dogs organization laughing gnome software farm atlanta lines nntp posting host noel newsreader version james bessette jimbes wrote article kens snyder writes heard breeder chains bicycles motorcycles produced high frequency squeaks dogs loved chase breeder chase bmws chain mike mike mitten gnome emory gnome irony spice life bianchi backstreet suzuki revolution televised 
boom hubcap attack organization lockheed missiles space company lines speedy latech speedy mercer attacked rabid hubcap work yamaha twin vibrating tank heard wierd noise left caught glimpse silver headed left foot jerked nanosecond bike hard left rest deleted sort experience technician speed student stolen taglines real declared integer deleted files black holes dividing world minutes earth full delete hubcap attacks fairly common cagers incompetant reinstall properly changing tires check collisions luckily heavy moore forget immortal swap file read error lose mind 
runs bitch organization computer science dept university london newsreader version lines mailing domain exist sinet admit knowing geco article wrote subject runs bitch cure running probs revs bike time recommended cure bike mags switch engine minute thaw mutch cure mine kawasaki heated carb problem persists covered makes bike warmer moves problem temp scale degree dynojet desperate carbs fuel injection talked kawasaki version upgrade worth phone call carb secondhand orpington kent heard ogri mailing list email list bikers interested parties live daily digest subscribe good luck dave david edmondson davide queen mary westfield college guzzi mans means horse drawn zeppelin 
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bmwmoa controversy summary request overview keywords bmwmoa board history contretemps organization pacific bell esac oakland distribution lines article cactus writes vech msstate craig vechorik writes good boys long agree current board garbage voting simply trading form trash opponents selections equal time post rational bmwmoa folks left rest summary current state affairs esteemed organization historical outline contretemps points deducted shouting bulging veins temple area pete ahrens 
ggrr cages double parking motorcycles pisses nntp posting host bcarh organization bell northern research ottawa lines article mcguire utexas tommy marcus mcguire writes motorcycling bike motorcycling amazona bike keith hanlan keithh bell northern research ottawa canada 
battery nntp posting host bmdhh organization europe maidenhead newsreader version lines keith hanlan wibbled article vech msstate craig vechorik writes remember correctly reason expensive worthless short lived varda batteries owns controling interest battery manufacturer wrong battery problems numerous people original battery year beemers original battery nick sufficiently charged biker concise oxford nick pettefar contractor incarcerated maidenhead united kingdom npet pres pbwasoh 
turbocharged motorbikes north america organization tektronix beaverton lines article davide dave edmondson writes extreme turbo cost mike hailwood replica ducati scrounge good turbo trade jeff earls jearls kottg kotspt wmtc millennium falcon squid factor thumpy button chewie solo nothin sweeper idaho rockies 
whassa deltabox organization tektronix colorado data systems englewood lines article uucp shea writes deltabox frame relation frame hawk time parking dude nice bike deltabox frame deltabox registered trademark yamaha describe aluminum perimeter frame design cross section sided appearance called pentabox dave tharp wear davet indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief built rocks velorex knocks compulsive harleys employer idea joiner give grief 
motorcycle security keywords stop determined thief organization tektronix colorado data systems englewood lines bike parked front weeks wandered find happened stole damn left harley dave tharp wear davet indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief built rocks velorex knocks compulsive harleys employer idea joiner give grief 
tickets advice worth paid organization apple computer cupertino california lines distribution subject generates contradictory advice traffic laws enforcement opinion dead acurate information extremely difficult cops traffic school instructor vehicle code tells part story judges choose interpret laws wide variety ways public large seldom hear advice disagree experienced suggest copy vehicle code study court read fight ticket miss section chances lousy basically screwed guessed pretty system california carefully prepared court bringing witnesses revealing holes officer story slapped maximum allowable fine assessments message clear judge john public cases advice find ticket traffic school matter lawyer lawyer present exact case difference sentence paul thompson apple computer 
bike sold miles disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host relva rchland organization rochester lines article kens snyder writes bikes sold long distances love hear bought jose miles odometer mark andy living pittsburgh bought dude massachusetts connecticut axel 
observation helmets organization microsystems lines distribution world reply egreen nntp posting host laser east article altcit eskimo maven altcit eskimo norman hamer writes question passenger helmets ride meet church meeting yeah ticket guidelines pick shoei size backup helmet inexpensive smaller size accomodate passenger primary concern protecting passenger event crash fitted helmet size primary concern complying stupid helmet laws carry real spare small head helmet small green ninjaite drinking night biker green showed picture grateful dead 
tire date codes reply sturges navy richard sturges distribution organization carderock division nswc bethesda lines motorcycles cookson mitre cookson writes nedod mailing list jack tavares suggested check tire tactic replaced file read date codes handy simple code week year manufacture rich sturges nswc carderock division speak listen 
bike sold miles organization nswc carderock division annapolis lines article kens snyder writes bikes sold long distances love hear bought moto guzzi univ grad student charlottesville spring mark cervi cervi navy mgnoc moto guzzi kinda bikes moto guzzi italian mark cervi carderockdiv nswc code annapolis cervi navy 
bikes contacts organization icom simulations lines article mpmena monsanto writes michael manning blockhead gargoyles thing work michael menard showin highland house compare sunglasses weather saturday sunday sucks today time good give gargoyles mine bridge nose holds face deal friends people full face helmet bets complaint personally oakleys desirable squid attire gargoyles ugly opinion michael manning mmanning nextmail accepted flstf fatboy ducati 
bikes contacts lenses radial keratotomy organization icom simulations lines article writes radial keratotomy contact lenses sunglasses money make tiny mistake jeff nichols eyes change contacts correct question strange conical shape cornea takes surgery michael manning mmanning nextmail accepted flstf fatboy ducati 
ducati opinions wanted organization novell lines xxdate nntp posting host useragent nuntius article albion bowers writes yeah quarter slug time power peak ride passing judgement maximum acceleration imply ninja talked owners owners power overwhelming love guess specific weighs extra cubes fact shows care maximum power slug exclusion note handling important bought ninja afford ruffle feathers year mark mark burnham markb novell alfa romeo ninja 
rejetting carbs keywords pump distribution organization tektronix colorado data systems englewood lines article jburney nodc noaa jeff burney writes talking stroke understand exhaust pulse affect stroke intake valve closed exhaust stroke pushed cyclinder guess compression affect amount pushed limiting factor header pipe canister meaning gases line canister effect exhaust stroke gases compress discussion purposes ignore dynamic effects pulses exhaust pipe paint mental picture engine supercharged pressure force intake tract atmospheric time intake valve opened pressure differential move difference combustion chamber pressure left exhaust stroke atmospheric piston decends intake stroke combustion chamber pressure decreased allowing atmospheric pressure move intake tract time pressure negative approach good vacuum time exhaust valve closing pressure combustion chamber essentially pressure exhaust system major flow restriction muffler note volume flow exhaust larger volume flow intake temperature difference products combustion years japanese manufacturers started paying attention exhaust intake tuning pursuit almighty horsepower point time high performance bikes substitution aftermarket free flow filter affect performance stock intake system flows substitution aftermarket exhaust system make difference general exhaust system louder stocker older bikes exhaust back pressure dominating factor free flowing filters substituted difference noted free flowing exhaust system installed general engine visualized pump engine pump intake exhaust side produce horsepower pumping require recalibration rejetting carburetor dave tharp wear davet indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief built rocks velorex knocks compulsive harleys employer idea joiner give grief 
drinking riding nntp posting host pixel andr reply erick organization ungermann bass andover lines personally follow alcohol rule bike view high degree control alcohol potentially hazardous bike hurt fault wreck katana developed philosophy impromptu experiment beer evening volleyball practice close leagle intoxication perform basic things made viewed alcohol intoxication fine reactions affected unable recover hitting rock gust wind greatly enjoy social drinking riding enjoyment eric 
bike wanted advice purchase keywords purchase advice reply jburnside jamie burnside organization lincoln laboratory lines gave advice custom recommended bike compression tested compression cylinders tested cold explain numbers sound bike looked great signs road rash rust bike great shop tuned tires opting metzler tires posted thread bike compared bikes alot harder load trailer road legal tomorrow ignoring afforementioned concerns transmission taking chances reletively reader impressed usefull info newsgroup number busy riding jamie burnside jburnside 
fault organization boeing commercial airplane group seattle lines insurance companies fault coverage majority accidents cagers fault imply higher rates fault system cars system make sense surface legal costs system motorcyclists screwed michael chuck bain boeing semi loud pipes save lives 
rejetting carbs reply sturges navy richard sturges organization carderock division nswc bethesda lines jumping middle thread talking comments motorcycles davet dave tharp writes engine supercharged pressure force intake tract atmospheric time intake valve opened pressure differential move difference combustion chamber pressure left exhaust stroke atmospheric piston decends intake stroke combustion chamber pressure decreased allowing atmospheric pressure move intake tract time pressure negative approach good vacuum number factors important biggest velocity momentum shock waves velocity stacks years inside stock airboxes number bikes tuned engine stacks greatly increase speed momentum rushing momentum critical good intake momentum stack combustion chamber force inside long piston begun compressive stroke shock waves induce intake prevent fresh escaping exzhaust ports shock waves product expansion chambers means presenting wall opening closing motion lost mystery design shock waves rich sturges nswc carderock division speak listen 
observation helmets nntp posting host foxtrot iscp bellcore organization bellcore distribution lines article maven altcit eskimo norman hamer writes dropped shoei seat bike rock centerstand chipped heck paint cheerfully spent bottle testor model paint repainted scratches chips minutes question passenger helmets ride meet church meeting yeah ticket guidelines pick shoei size backup helmet inexpensive smaller size accomodate passenger rule thumb give rides people wear bigger helmet taste runs family friends reminds dancer hull river ottowa years bought bigger helmet bike wanted types ships navy submarines targets raise richard pierson vnet internet fist bellcore uunet uunet fist include opinions shop malls jeans jackets ammo store 
ggrr cages double parking motorcycles pisses nntp posting host foxtrot iscp bellcore organization bellcore distribution lines article bgardner blaine gardner writes article geake writes banana imho ultra sticky labels printed favourite curse good local hospitals wheel clamps putting size window cage local hospital favorite curse skin stick frozen apple juice mistakenly drawn urinalisys types ships navy submarines targets raise richard pierson vnet internet fist bellcore uunet uunet fist include opinions shop malls jeans jackets ammo store 
contact person boots keywords combat nntp posting host foxtrot iscp bellcore organization bellcore distribution lines article columbia robert castro writes dodland able giving contact purchase pair military borne combat boots size boots read moto calf height boots velcro enclosure phoned carry item admit deepest bowels search made calls bigger army navy type stores luck place carry item mail order appreciated velcro jump boots issue military kinds made cochran sell clothing sales store cavalry price match store sold cheaper design care wear long eyelets high boot called tankers boot similar construction wellington boot boot shape straps wrap tightness nice boots types ships navy submarines targets raise richard pierson vnet internet fist bellcore uunet uunet fist include opinions shop malls jeans jackets ammo store 
liability insurance required nntp posting host foxtrot iscp bellcore organization bellcore distribution lines thing fault types ships navy submarines targets raise richard pierson vnet internet fist bellcore uunet uunet fist include opinions shop malls jeans jackets ammo store 
motorcycle security keywords stop determined thief nntp posting host foxtrot iscp bellcore organization bellcore distribution lines article davet dave tharp writes bike parked front weeks wandered find happened stole damn left harley animal rights people bike riding dogs cats racoons types ships navy submarines targets raise richard pierson vnet internet fist bellcore uunet uunet fist include opinions shop malls jeans jackets ammo store 
article hpscit qkcrt organization hewlett packard santa clara site lines nntp posting host labkas lsid newsreader version mark bricker wrote market bike recently found honda dealership bike miles previous owners employees dealership told good care bike questions miles bike miles unfamiliar life span bikes decent price unfamilar prices bikes blue book bikes cars advice give mark mark miles sold maintained miles engine mint condition bike needed steering head bearings fork bushings seals bought mechanic pull valve covers compression check confirmed mint price steep bought miles year absolutely cherry condition bluebook bank credit union price couple dollar range miles mint condition sweet bike forever maintain thing soft front indication miles fork springs totally shot progressive springs fixed good luck snyder hewlett packard lsid lake stevens instrument soper hill road everett kens 
article hpscit qkcvo organization hewlett packard santa clara site lines nntp posting host labkas lsid newsreader version mark bricker wrote market bike recently found honda dealership bike miles previous owners employees dealership told good care bike questions miles bike miles unfamiliar life span bikes decent price unfamilar prices bikes blue book bikes cars advice give mark snyder hewlett packard lsid lake stevens instrument soper hill road everett kens 
ggrr cages double parking motorcycles pisses article hpscit qkomb distribution world organization hewlett packard santa clara site lines nntp posting host labkas lsid newsreader version reading folks things illegally parked cars made carry cinder blocks bike ready damage carvings cage idea chain lube chain anymore reasonable permanent damage lots work windshield door handles keyhole nasty mood raining snyder hewlett packard lsid lake stevens instrument soper hill road everett kens 
bikes horses insect impacts organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet mike sturdevant nntp posting host cwru previous article npet nick pettefar jonathan quist wibbled article dietrich writes previous article egreen green pixel cruncher lots things quoted nice thing horses break middle tasty fuel cheaper gallon bushel amount matter ride fuel annual basis spend bike stuff wife horse stuff horses lessee bikes ride constantly rides times week count insurance cost garage built cheaper imho fast chances mike 
paraphernali reply ryan cousineau questor ryan cousineau distribution world organization computer dynamics vancouver lines stafford winona msus john stafford article central steve bunis wrote decal thicker vinyl geeky temporary tatoo rubs exempt razzing sick make promise order wannabe badtothebone cheesy live ride eagles sitting shelf waiting ride coast points farther south expected contact area denizens replies address charlie early idea temporary geekys geekies geekae geekii fits image sounds worse ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black inverness live ride kotrb king work squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau questor vancouver canada live john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply slmr lucas built weapons wars start computer dynamics vancouver canada easy access rates friendly sysop 
motorcycle courier reply ryan cousineau questor ryan cousineau distribution world organization computer dynamics vancouver lines subject motorcycle courier summer replied start earnest return trip pacific coast geographical feature bike ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black inverness live ride kotrb king work squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau questor vancouver canada live slmr bike travel quickly quickly computer dynamics vancouver canada easy access rates friendly sysop 
live free quietly organization office tude licensing nntp posting host binky lines article egreen green pixel cruncher writes sounds ludicrous biker advocate restrictions biking biking forum motorcyclist roid 
riceburner respect organization office tude licensing nntp posting host binky lines article randy randy davis writes rider pilot happy effect choice words seth time respectable response posting randy post count dearth responses feel randy curious thing number roid 
riceburner respect organization office tude licensing nntp posting host binky lines article craig saint craig writes true rider real riding attitude offer wave weather harley honda bike inless case bike acknowleged find case harley riders give wave ride secure knowlege persob roid 
recommendation front tire organization lehigh university lines article nrmendel amherst nathaniel endell writes spdc wrote article nrmendel amherst nathaniel mendell writes steve mansfield wrote front tire dead minimal tread left time recommendations good tire front riding brand back steve mansfield system learned equal streets reality weak poor fall suzuki power balance tear crown educate masses burn white house queensryche speak word thing match front back perfect good tire perfect rear match front laser spdc yeah nathaniel front tire motorcycle 
front traffic jerks organization adobe systems incorporated mountain view lines article galway eece denis mckeon writes heavy traffic slow buffer zone front balance minimal buffer find jerk notice traffic moving faster lanes switch pass fine jerk ahead front splitting attention ahead mirrors pretty damned complicated make back motion hand time braindead cager backs back find hell cager psychotic drunk complete asshole case front curtis jackson cjackson adobe hawk maxim kotb black studley doright collie golden george justification taking individuals freedom guise public safety thomas jefferson 
choking ninja problem reply starr ukans message organization organized surely jest lines article starr ukans writes supertrapp slip carbs jetted match filters replaced stock airbox huge flat spot carburation thousand gear frustrating highway bike likes cruise sixth gear tuned thinking carbs injection system suggestions restoring stock starr ukans brain dead nugent sound carbs jetted properly shop shop money back shop bennett leve sabre drowning throw orlando bagel hoggle hoggle bleve ccur 
irhorns review organization institute astronomy hawaii lines thinking fiamms airhorns installed bosch horns ordered dennis kirk latest catalog rated meters installed gage wire battery relay compressor ground stock horn connectors relay pins fine soldered connections relay compressor crimp type battery connector inline fuse connector napa installed compressor forward fuse front fairing wrapping steering head frame black steel tube frame support front fairing remove front fairing fits frame inside fairing vertical supports front fuses depending tight fairing frame able fairing compressor diameter long relay mounted front steering head frame small plenty good places found perfect place horns required wraps mount horns inside front fairing frame stick side front scoops turn signals back horns point back center bike real close tank connects front part frame room full lock lock clearance nice outs frame back horn short horn fairing long sticks inch noticable closely pointing slightly degrees straight ahead perfect cagers change lanes questions mounting email explain bike paint work loud sound european sports truck vast improvement stock daily installing fuse blown duration horn blasts short repeatedly scared shit friends horns jump perfect keeping pedestrians sidewalk bottom line work loud pain suffering stupid lane changing cages years lives easy install ymmv horns suit fight fire comment aerostich 
buying advice needed lines advice buying susuki inherent flaws bike problems insurance rates bike blacklisted person ridden motorcycle buying start crazy told people start small lage handle start pounds small yeah question chicago area good instruction schools programs aquanted kill home brian email direcly chance read group 
countersteering post organization edinburgh university lines article jlevine hydro jody levine writes agreement explanations handlebars lean moving motorcycle question effect dominant idea design experiment seaprate characteristics effect produces similar result bikes familiar point experiments difficult physics situation calculations fact effects contributing leaning bike begin turn gyro effect causing torque twists bike contact patch shifted side causing bike fall contact patch accelerated side causing torque twists bike average bike rider average bike wheel speeds calculate twist bars needed produce degrees lean seconds effect guess slow speeds dominant high speeds dominant speeds contributes bugger speaking similar problem runner round corner leaned corner fast running group start counter footing arguments falling work round corners chris malcolm aifh department artificial intelligence edinburgh university forrest hill edinburgh 
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info sport cruisers organization junior electrical computer engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew sport cruiser factory installed fairings full half hard saddle bags sporty series bikes wondering comparable type bikes produced companies info 
boom attack organization world public access unix brookline lines andy woodward writes reverse sequence bugger accelleration stabilise hate things attack thinks established dominance funny noisy sheep things attack bike hurt bugger learns bikes peck order saved life future biker evasive action avoid truck avoid sake hate admit sort twisted logic approach bikers world dogs worthless adversary remember wear calf height leather boots case lucky sinks teeth attacking foot gusto retreat street tail legs time fellow bikers applies cages armored cage fair fight control menace road users compunction felt ensuring safety means destruction forcing game world dave 
stuff organization world public access unix brookline lines hotly contested bmwoa election inept leadership question history organization lead formation bmwra years precipitated formation competing owner groups stave flames member groups difference slickness magazines major difference campbell artc real bmws wheels opinion world beats vincent redheaded richard thompson 
happy easter organization advanced micro devices santa clara lines ranck ranck writes nick pettefar npet wrote english cars rover reliant morgan bristol rolls royce talk harleys technology morgan people technology suspension design changed wheels back reached pinnacle good design point pick morgan attack wood frame hand bent metal skin replacement thought kingpost suspension features karen black 
dogs article ikkoku organization university washington lines nntp posting host ikkoku panda mime version content type text plain charset ascii biker lover foremost mention common sense choice injuring killing injured killed rational decision insane animal rights kook learn read body language react chasing thinks game playing completely react hostile intent learn present dogs social beasts recognize domination submission hierarchy types fellow creatures dominates dominate unambiguously represent class easily angered anger terrible amused properly submits dominance rare occasions dispense kind word kind word rapture unforeseen bisquit relate biking good idea assume dogs chase motorcycles game overt hostility suggestion good coming slow determines place interception reach spot punch throttle reaches long dogs seconds react input comprehend acceleration motorcycle capable hostile repeatedly encounter stronger measures face important make face territory face road driveway large stick rolled newspaper beast understand hurt stand ground slowly advance mental attitude angry dispense terrible punishment larger greater anger dogs pick anger pick fear home territory suddenly dawn territory prepared fight death dogs decide good idea retreat territory home advantage observe satisfied retreat gesture submission escaped punishment interesting thing dogs body language communicates great deal effective communicating body language years pound beast learned tricks 
misc buying info needed organization hampshire college lines nntp posting host hamp hampshire thinking buying motorcycle questions buying guide motorcycles lists reliability buying process pricing guide motorcycles blue book books articles riding cross country motorcycle camping idiots guide motorcycles related information helpful respond directly jordan 
draining battery nntp posting host organization carnegie mellon university lines problem battery honda nighthawk week dead recharge ride bike battery charging system checked fine suspicion draining idea causing problem mechanic clueless ljubomir 
riceburner respect organization microsoft corporation lines motorcycles klinger umanitoba jorg klinger writes mmanning michael manning writes people wave return wave harley harley riders seldom wave back duck squids wave return waves hand bars fall problem squids badassbikers recognize waves riding cruiser wave lifting fingers left hand removing hand handlebar riding crotch rocket lower left hand ankle level palm forward call wave generic bike riders raise hand handlebar wave easy waving chris 
lane sharing organization california state university sacramento lines years riding cities jose santa clara sunnyvale conflict local police lane splitting habits cities listed earlier anti splitting luck police kindness ordinances cities continue revco 
boom attack article fringe organization organization mass confusion lines ryan cousineau questor ryan cousineau writes previous posting attacks generated karma weathered attempted attacks approved method slow screw triangulation target laugh time work time riding hill leading house encountered liver white springer spaniel relation springer softail springer spagthorpe close relation spagthorpe viking encountered intent harm interesting collision story deleted worries accident prevented traveling slower necessarily unreasonable suggestion residential area riding speed limit worry happened console thought insane cager whip blind driveway matter driveways long eagerly await comment driveway half neighbor driveways long good clicks velocity impaired wanted granted live country neighbors whip driveways mentioned claim road ways driving chev taking speed bicycle hood pulled stopped driver months obmoto scary relevant part people live type twisty lane favor riding damn bike pickup ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black inverness live ride kotrb king work squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau questor vancouver canada live slmr hurt dammit doctor computer dynamics vancouver canada easy access rates friendly sysop pitter patter feet words daddy dean woodward step world dean rain socio psychotic state bliss virago guns roses world 
insurance lotsa points nntp posting host bcarh organization bell northern research ottawa lines article infante duke andrew infante writes cked insurance beemer vehicle cost bucks insure year sell bike start taking drinking priorities expect list lost friends driving drunks collective sympathy muted showing great restraint keith hanlan keithh bell northern research ottawa canada 
ducati opinions wanted nntp posting host organization evans sutherland computer corporation lines article albion bowers writes previous article bgardner blaine gardner guess touch ducati twin desmo half twin balance weight cylinder specific quater small twin pantah based twin pantah creditable modern carbs high latest crop japanese hard remember goof clobber handily roll technology stands hard remember bought place speed wars eleven mile horses make good days paid technology thing changed ride states guess indication things changed line blaine gardner evans sutherland bgardner 
riceburner respect organization systems laboratory lines article keeper tude writes roid completely tack eventual outcome babe mouthed biker chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer agree raised pack wild corn dogs 
happy easter organization virginia tech blacksburg virginia lines nntp posting host joesbar newsreader version karen black karen wrote ranck ranck writes nick pettefar npet wrote english cars rover reliant morgan bristol rolls royce talk harleys technology morgan people technology pick morgan attack wood frame hand bent metal skin replacement thought kingpost suspension features picking morgan technology wrong technology people shovels holes lots powered implements holes bill ranck bill ranck computing center virginia polytchnic inst state univ blacksburg 
members read reply cactus distribution organization lines karr cornell david karr writes organization easy organization largely determined president directors makes important vote election officers remember heard election members cast votes current board friends relatives make membership plan staying club long vote results strike bmwmoa politically active state national arenas infighting organizations change join groups politics support politically active sense support manner accomplished strong front neccessarily coordinated senner cactus austin area ride mailing list ride cactus texas splatterfest mailing list fest cactus 
members read reply cactus distribution world organization lines vech msstate craig vechorik writes wrote slash blues humor lacking owners news stuff rode rode admit surprise find interesting read boring worthless body sense humor people mine dunno people intended humor article forget stepped political arena intentioned intend walking china store carrying head represent membership american politics light hearted jokes segment population limelight obmoto manage squeak reference senner cactus austin area ride mailing list ride cactus texas splatterfest mailing list fest cactus 
members read reply cactus distribution world organization lines virginia dances federal rangers writes cast vote groucho thought superior power handling senner cactus austin area ride mailing list ride cactus texas splatterfest mailing list fest cactus 
ducati opinions wanted organization hewlett packard ccsy messaging centre lines spoke sales dweeb ducati dealer blighty good appears waay underpowered basically engine quality problems rusty frame save pennies 
members read nntp posting host nickel indiana organization indiana university lines heard academic politics thought apply bmwmoa politics dirty stakes small cares dues worth occasional technical articles news skip generally drab articles trek iowa folks thrilled power bmwmoa deserve thrills lives provide voted blood things stirred henry prange physiology blgtn bmwmoa ride conv cage explorer cage tenets major religions wrong deserve punished 
extraordinary footpeg engineering organization virginia tech blacksburg virginia lines nntp posting host joesbar newsreader version unsw wrote goddamn mystery goody love puzzle watson games afoot today turning degree corner slight difference rough spot path caused suspension compress corner part bike ground tangible thunk pulled opportunity damage engineering types explain tightly fitting steel thread threaded hole alloy damaging thread hole sort tech design thingo guess making left turn correct edge stud contacting road caused turn unthread making turn tightened stud bill ranck bill ranck computing center virginia polytchnic inst state univ blacksburg 
countersteering post organization cafe edge universe lines mike sixsmith writes adhesion tyre road suspension geometry ground clearance motorcycle dictate quickly swerve avoid obstacles knowledge physics rider ears suggesting countersteering knowledge enables corner faster competently manage egreen writes give chance sheesh answer absolutely eloquently describes riders identical machines faster improve technique idea trial error effective methodology understanding technique steering motorcycle improve technique hold applies human endeavor lies thread kindly note difference responses talking knowing riding technique mike arguing knowing physics taught technique countersteering push inside turn learn fizziks gyroscopes cream cones parallel thread stuff interest techno motorcycle geeks readers motorcycles taught average student learning steering mike able make distinction people carve circles newton hand intelligent educated people steer motorcycle leaning steering bicycles combination knowledge physics squat knowledge technique bill 
riceburner respect organization summary subtlety subtlety lines article craig saint craig writes true rider real riding attitude offer wave weather harley honda bike inless case bike acknowleged wave wink hard shield sunglasses true rider real riding attitude sense chuck rogers 
dogs organization summary abnormal canine psychology lines article panda mark crispin writes hostile repeatedly encounter stronger measures face important make face territory face road driveway large stick rolled newspaper beast understand hurt stand ground slowly advance mental attitude angry dispense terrible punishment larger greater anger tactic depends effectiveness conformance psychological norm apply success work charlie manson stupid large irish setter taught yard apparently territory playing game game kill angry neighbor dispense terrible punishment chuck rogers 
assholes organization school engineering applied sciences ucla lines article rambled article small seas ucla james small writes asshole scooter owners triple parked bike today calling prople assholes flame learn spell assholeism endemic wheeled motoring community jason wise respected hahahha made stereotypical remark unsophisticated ivory tower stoop lower level geekism endemic albino phoosball playing community drive volvos remember send flames jrobbins ucla formal education provide 
safe driving prcatices organization nasa science internet project office lines article rbemben prime rich bemben writes dilly dally rear side cage pass make positive pass fully make attempt make driver aware area vision reads philosophies musashi book rings section long sword strong decisive hmm things change ride eyes awfull thing call pillion rich fear evil evil heaven protect evil good power corrupts check explosion cryptography policy whitehouse friday caused curt howland howland nasa sabre meddle afairs wizards makes soggy hard light 
misc buying info needed organization ohio state university dept computer info science lines distribution nntp posting host frigate ohio state thinking buying motorcycle questions buying guide motorcycles lists reliability buying process pricing guide motorcycles blue book books articles riding cross country motorcycle camping idiots guide motorcycles related information helpful respond directly jordan jonathan fields fields ohio state 
wheel originator bill keywords organization washington state university distribution lines rear wheel part find salvage long givi luggage brunnhilde room thought carry spare ride free bill johnsw prez bimc kotv kotrr wmtc kotd yamabeemer special volvo pain inevitable suffering optional 
live free quietly organization microsoft corporation lines motorcycles egreen writes revving throttle requires engaging clutch accelerating harley chris 
handling request organization nasa science internet project office lines article writes ican handson experience riding yamaha kindly comment handling remember commercial cheap heavy import cage back driver wearing stuck fake anouncers smile straight fits 
bike wanted advice purchase keywords purchase advice organization nasa science internet project office lines article jburnside jamie burnside writes reletively reader impressed usefull info newsgroup redundent 
dogs organization nasa science internet project office lines article panda mark crispin writes biker lover bikers horrid reputation find human interesting thing dogs body language communicates great deal effective communicating body language agree completely majority feelings start rationally abhout kill fear moment road problem dogs curt howland howland nasa sabre meddle afairs wizards makes soggy hard light 
posing nntp posting host organization evans sutherland computer corporation lines article speedy latech speedy mercer writes article amydlak maths adelaide adam mydlak writes squid deleted helment laws vary state state state louisiana personaly feet bike helment save life feet draw line blaine gardner evans sutherland bgardner 
comments honda interceptor nntp posting host hydra convex organization convex computer corporation richardson disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines article howp writes purchase honda interceptor mileage bike picture trader magazine good shape enlighten good purchase good bike bike realize beginner considered bike heard friends beginners start started bigger bike careful drive skill level considered posted weeks purchase yamaha seca turbo wary prospect deal turbo road shop bike price dropped honda good bike comments word heavy steers heavy turns require alot effort hard access large motor weak small front forks anti dive gizmos 
bike sale keywords wicked cool organization clicktech tyngsboro lines recently father twins afford bikes babies babies staying harleys xlhd wife bike speed chain secondary laced wheels buckhorns tachometer saddlebags supports sissy high flow cleaner dark candy jeff derienzo tyngsboro 
shaft drives wheelies reply cactus distribution organization lines xlyx cornell xlyx cornell writes wheelie motorcycle shaft drive senner cactus austin area ride mailing list ride cactus texas splatterfest mailing list fest cactus 
flashing keywords flashing organization systems laboratory lines article columbia robert castro writes bike hazard lights front back turn signals flash live commute number tolls route arriving toll booth switch hazards thisto warn motorists taking longer seconds make transaction taking gloves money coin changer pocket making transaction putting gloves back takes time average cager takes make transaction paying toll notice cagers tend message booth question good thing sounds good thing tend handy dandy automatic coin fetcher toll payer annette chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer agree raised pack wild corn dogs 
ntifreeze coolant organization systems laboratory lines motorcycles liquid cooled persuasion brand coolant aluminum safe coolant preferably phosphate free preferably cheaper gallon dealer quart official blessed holy kawasaki coolant paying usury chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer agree raised pack wild corn dogs 
liability insurance required organization dept university texas austin lines distribution nntp posting host cash utexas article behanna chris behanna writes article tcora army coradeschi writes article bzzt driver fault insurance pays deductible recoups total cost company fancy word escapes pays deductible company takes longer cash opposed state farm check today spot damage wife cage word subrogation wait money scumbag insurance save deductible scumbag insurance scum insurance deductible insurance pack rabid large fanged lawyers recover damages scum insurance lawyers true call security lawyers chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady sounds suspiciously fault advertised lawyers loop sigh naive illusion toilet tommy mcguire mcguire utexas mcguire append disclaimer outgoing public information identifying personal independent 
riceburner respect article henson organization western washington university ninja ridden winter long wave lines amazed number harley riders waving lowly baby ninja good attitudes brock yates months driver ready rode busses bikers freedom wanna obsession world rearview mirror wheels rhestless heart marty ninja motosport 
camping backpack organization lunar planetary laboratory tucson lines article svoboda david svoboda writes article dave farra writes crafty girfriend makes campfire starters mcgiver heck make candle pound cheper candles hell save candle stubs bring light dribble kindling wood light belly button lint eggshell case idea feeling industrious eventful evening soggy summer open fuel line drain piece rough rotten wood stick middle inferno carefully strike match kurt vonnegut titled chapters cradle whoom works charm time asphaug arizona kawi zephyr erik asphaug 
front traffic jerks organization lunar planetary laboratory tucson lines article nielsmm niels mikkel michelsen writes raining cats dogs therefor speed limit bike driving meters meters light calmly bike walked back rolled window told total idiot reason thing niels mikkel yess make proud merkun good thing shot good texas jeep driver south conroe flipped idiotic senseless stretches jeep walks back blocking traffic dallas houston freeway squeezed single lane stick finger hand shove throat stared straight ahead unblinking hundred cars honking eventually back jeep face beet anger rest back houston tailed waving honking flipping yelling glad decided shoot asphaug arizona kawi zephyr erik asphaug 
countersteering post organization adobe systems incorporated mountain view lines article egreen writes waterski bike turn handlebars left lean motorcycle supports move contact patch beneath centre mass theory lean contradicts gyroscopic precession countersteering induced lean waterski bike contradicts motorcycle morning waterski bike care watched lengthy carefully case speed riders turned handlebars left left words countersteering waterski bikes countersteers curtis jackson cjackson adobe hawk maxim kotb black studley doright collie golden george justification taking individuals freedom guise public safety thomas jefferson 
european insurance organization bunker ramo olivetti company lines nntp posting host europe advice citizen living working italy year motorcycle italian friend arrived washington state work years finding difficult obtain insurance thought license motorcycle endorsement unlimited displacement years washington state motorcycle safety instructor info post summary personal experience buying bike insured italy marc lewis kinds people world olivetti north america divide world marcl olivetti kinds things 
motorcycle detailing organization loral western development labs lines mbeaving michael beavington writes hate speedo tach bike start cloud nasty sunshine detailing week rubbing compound moisten apply rubbing compound work translucent previously transparent material minutes working plastic face dial plastic face clear work glass responsible damages incurred method models treatment safely beav mike beavington bellnorthernresearch ottawa canada seca seca seca suzuki seca turbo sabre afford mbeaving mcguire makes plastic scratch removing compound plastic polishing compound work great 
shipping bike organization university california berkeley lines distribution world nntp posting host uclink berkeley recommend ship motorcycle francisco seattle cost remember thread shipping saved instructions bike prep post email manish 
tire recomendation wanted keywords tires recomend organization diego distribution lines article asalerno antonio salerno writes chen shing tires tires reason tires beacuse hate feel safe recomendations tires tony throw vote metzler economy tire good size older bikes rated wearing handles mile ride twisties work costs chengs sport metzlers newer bikes cost chaparral front rear mike corcoran yamaha honda husky cross 
experience organization virginia tech blacksburg virginia lines nntp posting host joesbar newsreader version kent polk kent swri wrote watch mirrors time turning close night preparing turn lane road turn signals starting turn lady hits throttle starts pass happened happen ride work morning stop light lanes direction left turns straight turns marked marked bicycle lane ride turn lane signal stop stop line left make turn start move discovered idiot pulled bike lane pass grr head check bike lanes bicycles bill ranck bill ranck computing center virginia polytchnic inst state univ blacksburg 
members read organization virginia tech blacksburg virginia lines nntp posting host joesbar newsreader version owner thinking signing beginning suspiciously throwing money rathole sort bill ranck bill ranck computing center virginia polytchnic inst state univ blacksburg 
shipping bike organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply john daker nntp posting host previous article manish berkeley manish recommend ship motorcycle francisco seattle cost hmm butt seat follow road signs darkman significant problems face solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion 
antifreeze coolant reply pooder msus disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host garnet rchland organization rochester lines article behanna chris behanna writes motorcycles liquid cooled persuasion brand coolant aluminum safe coolant preferably phosphate free preferably cheaper gallon dealer quart official blessed holy kawasaki coolant paying usury prestone shopko gallon expensive stuff kawasaki grapes grown parts fatherland dave worry change yearly topped keeping gretchen happy guess rabbit aluminum radiator hoppy years miles guess aluminum safe owner late lamented rochester motorcycles good pooder rochester care people richard feynman share garage space gretchen harvey 
bikes dogs organization distribution lines article wendel writes heard rider giving great dane ride back bike love make work wendel large malmute counts heard irresponsible childish stunt needed assistance straightening board owner lift front legs throw driver pilots shoulders shit eating grin face dogs firmly planted seat actively seek camping party hate personal steatopygias hottentot sesquipedalian 
whassa deltabox organization apple computer lines deltabox frame relation frame hawk time parking dude nice bike deltabox frame yammie deltabox hawk frame conceptually similar yammie hawk purer twin spar frame design investment castings steering head swing tied aluminum extruded beams yammie solution complex godfrey digiorgi ramarren rule sell ducati street finds rule obey rule things ducati cinelli toyota krups nikon sony apple telebit 
liability insurance required nntp posting host fred colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article ranck ranck writes declerck declrckd wrote states fault auto insurance applies basically insure vehicle point made fault fact removes lawyers system lets people money faster removal lawyers reduces clogs court system reduces government burdens requiring judges work people michigan people jersey fault hoax years heard state fault insurance increase rates happened lived changed reason back state bill ranck bill ranck computing center virginia polytchnic inst state univ blacksburg colorado agent tells fault applies medical coverage 
members read reply chris steinbroner nntp posting host hesh organization kernel cupertino newsreader version lines ranck ranck wrote owner thinking signing beginning suspiciously throwing money rathole concur politics bickering ruined bmwmoa politics fighting current membership lapse renewal hesh bmwra level superiour publication opinion 
liability insurance required organization virginia tech blacksburg virginia lines distribution nntp posting host joesbar newsreader version tommy marcus mcguire mcguire utexas wrote sounds suspiciously fault advertised lawyers loop sigh naive illusion toilet legislators lawyers difficult passed lawyers business fault insurance laws backfire bill ranck bill ranck computing center virginia polytchnic inst state univ blacksburg 
handling request nntp posting host thor organization newbridge networks corporation lines article john daker writes previous article ican handson experience riding yamaha kindly comment handling kidding flame bait extreme handling fast quickly lastest rumor rear wheel handles dream straight line upset review cycle world cornering handling good standards early compareable whats state days gleemed reviews discussions owners lust bike bradw plan clue 
front traffic jerks organization oracle corporation belmont lines reply nielsmm message nntp posting host oasun oracle disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle article nielsmm niels mikkel michelsen writes raining cats dogs therefor speed limit bike driving meters meters light calmly bike walked back rolled window told total idiot reason thing absolutely cager pull blow mugele jungle email rmugele senior computational linguist phone oracle corp moto concours irving texas vegetarians vegetables beware humanitarians 
bike wanted advice purchase keywords purchase advice organization systems laboratory lines article jburnside jamie burnside writes alot harder load trailer road legal tomorrow ignoring afforementioned concerns transmission taking chances worries trans reletively reader impressed usefull info newsgroup number busy riding count mailx hahahha jburnside waiting press return chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer agree raised pack wild corn dogs 
fault organization systems laboratory lines article boeing michael bain writes insurance companies fault coverage majority accidents cagers fault imply higher rates fault system cars system make sense surface legal costs system motorcyclists screwed pointed cost insurance fault crappiest drivers make bandits longer bear responsibility paying insurance boosted price crappy drivers good drivers nose spread cost crappy drivers actions fair plan caps rates crappy drivers inherently piece shit rest paying plan speeding tickets basis raising rates piece shit based faster drivers inherently safe slower drivers nhtsa disproved years chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer agree raised pack wild corn dogs 
observation helmets organization systems laboratory distribution lines maven altcit eskimo norman hamer writes dropped shoei seat bike rock centerstand chipped heck paint cheerfully spent bottle testor model paint repainted scratches chips minutes question passenger helmets ride meet church meeting yeah ticket guidelines pick shoei size backup helmet inexpensive smaller size accomodate passenger stupid leave helmet seat fall boom kind fall helmet designed protect fall helmet spot helmet landed drop helmet protect head intended conservative moto recommend replace helmet protect adequately helmets ground table chair shelf surface large support easily knocked jeezus shoei replace leave chance cripe chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer agree raised pack wild corn dogs 
riceburner respect expires organization computervision corp bedford lines article keeper tude writes rider pilot practically riceburner passed recently waved wondering simply overexuberant burners removed winter moth balls novelty dissipate gray beard sprouted rice season makes friendly fart deserves wave yorn rice rocket explain friendliness piece toilet paper stuck bottom boot rich rich bemben rbemben prime triumph bonneville fear evil evil heaven protect evil good 
motorcycle detailing lines nntp posting host palm organization cray research eagan newsreader version chuck kuczaj loral wrote mbeaving michael beavington writes mcguire makes plastic scratch removing compound plastic polishing compound work great letting motorcycle detailing side instrument panel scuffed previous owner dumped bike true turn signals scuffed areas black plastic recall reading plastic compound coat scuffed areas ending nice smooth shiny finish ideas tony tony jones uunet cray cmcs codegeneration group software division cray research lone drive eagan 
breaths nntp posting host corolla organization motorola cellular infrastructure group lines article svoboda david svoboda writes article declrckd declerck writes difference opinion difference motorcycling sport bike riders cruiser bike riders difference minds closed minded individuals motorcycling times riders cruiser bikes eddie ride continuously forum street find difference opinions motorcycling individuals cruiser bike riders view motorcycling sport bike riders dislike motorcycling closed minded recognize effect close minded reminded motorcycles insipid flame thereof dislike occasionally leather clad poser read scan information noise pointless flame problem declerck email declrckd motorola cellular friends friends wear neon phone 
breaths nntp posting host corolla organization motorola cellular infrastructure group lines article declrckd declerck writes article svoboda david svoboda writes article declrckd declerck writes difference opinion difference motorcycling sport bike riders cruiser bike riders difference minds closed minded individuals motorcycling times riders cruiser bikes eddie ride continuously forum street find difference opinions motorcycling individuals motorcycling slightly nature people beauties sport cruiser bike riders view motorcycling sport bike riders dislike motorcycling closed minded view single rider cruiser bikes holds veiw sport bike rider possibly hold quantify generalization careful pigeonhole bunch people dave svoboda svoboda rtsg tired concours mm beating dave ring ding woops learn chicago beth bruiser dixon 
countersteering post nntp posting host organization earth lectronic link lines article jlevine hydro jody levine writes waterski bike turn handlebars left lean motorcycle case jetskis friend jetski bars turn left left changing jets relationship handlbars rear mounted jets completely arbitrary simple linkage make work supports move contact patch beneath centre mass theory lean contradicts gyroscopic precession countersteering induced lean jetskis irrelevant discussion snow skis amusing digression explain fact pull horse reins left left confusing threads phil stone address pstone motorcycles 
ggrr cages double parking motorc nntp posting host hiroshima rest reply jfriedl organization omron corporation carnegie mellon lines egreen green pixel cruncher writes article geake writes ultra sticky labels printed favourite curse good local hospitals wheel clamps putting size window cage apartment complex live thing driver window miss friend damned wrecked home night vision blocked sticker suggested manager enormous liability assuming pulling stunt logic liability putting stickers moving chooses start drive unsafe condition liable chance avoid unsafe situation additional factor attributing blame stickers window effective problem taking blade window remove stubborn sticker story nice paint door jeff jeffrey friedl omron corporation nagaokakyo kyoto japan jfriedl jfriedl visiting researcher mach project carnegie mellon pittsburgh 
splitfire plugs kinda offical summary supposed higher power output distribution motorcycles keywords splitfire plugs performance organization university illinois urbana lines whaz earlier reading splitfire plugs thinking shot hell show team split fires additional insight theories splitfire plugs boost oppossed cages splitfires originally made burn fuel efficiently increased power cages splitfires increased performance increasing torque focusing horsepower numbers related high performance pilots depends pilot high performance cylinder machine case cylinders splitfires increase torque make horsepower torque packed splitfires significantly increase power twins laugh twins times carry weight make loss doug polen scott russell daytona twins make torque thoughout powerbands translate increased torque theoretically twins make power splitfire claims extra mods made stick catch splitfires twins racing teams ducati team fast ferraci splitfires season jamie james running stopped check peace warren uiuc suzuki travel local shop bike repairest looked dumped asked happened dumped clutch fast pretty fast insurance nope fixer smiled bikes 
front traffic jerks xxdate nntp posting host organization novell useragent nuntius lines article robert mugele rmugele writes absolutely cager pull blow guess probability driver lower vehicles luxosedan hopped pickup truck mark mark burnham markb novell alfa romeo ninja 
daemon child organization netcom online communications services login guest distribution lines article behanna chris behanna writes article bethd beth dixon writes bzzt discovered touring bike nifty cache things coins lipstick doesn back carrying lipstick jacket pocket life hard denizen thinks natural thought kissing waxy shit smeared woman lips definite turn clear lipstick chapstick natural waxy shit category wear lips drying kissing cracked parched lips kissing beth noemi noemi speaks beth beth true beth dixon bethd yamaha excitable yamaha spike garage fssnoc ducati ducati monza restoration project kqspt handle side deranged 
boom attack organization netcom online communication services guest lines article ryan cousineau questor ryan cousineau writes previous posting attacks generated karma weathered attempted attacks approved method slow screw triangulation target laugh time didn work time riding hill leading house encountered liver white springer spaniel relation springer softail springer spagthorpe close relation spagthorpe viking encountered intent harm stuff deleted ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black inverness live ride kotrb king work squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau questor vancouver canada live hope cost replacement panel owner owner reluctant stop local spca preferably foot swollen file viscious report trick glenn schmall astroid cross oncoming lanes hell beaming cafe death californias highways yeah mercury news 
women jackets daemon child organization netcom online communications services login guest distribution lines article jhensley john hensley writes beth dixon bethd wrote doesn back carrying lipstick jacket pocket life hard wife jacket styles shoulders arms tight chest suggestions assuming pilot addition handy storage facilities pretty decent company makes reasonable line women motorcycling stuff importantly boulder denver shop bothers carrying lucky found jacket fits makes pilot jackets mine similar style made leather jose bought made finding decent womens motorcycling gear easy stuff fringed made fashion leather made shop area women rider friendly places francisco jose area recommend buying clothing mail order hard bates custom makes leathers call cost estimate type jacket wife interested large manufacturers sell women lines clothing decent quality iffy noemi lisa sieverts talking starting business sort thing finally decided beth beth true beth dixon bethd yamaha excitable yamaha spike garage fssnoc ducati ducati monza restoration project kqspt handle side deranged 
front traffic jerks organization microbial pathogenesis motorcycle maintenance lines nntp posting host microb biostat washington article nielsmm niels mikkel michelsen writes nielsmm niels mikkel michelsen subject front traffic jerks date raining cats dogs therefor speed limit bike driving meters meters light calmly bike walked back rolled window told total idiot reason thing works avoid obscenities remain calm cool collected killed moving apologize benign shot single time texas plenty witnesses steve steve moseley moseley washington microbiology phone university washington seattle 
kreme distribution organization cornell university lines folks recently post kreme idea opinion experience stuff 
erostitch piece distribution organization cornell university lines request opinions piece aerostitch piece aerostitch versatile protection advance nadine 
observation helmets organization microbial pathogenesis motorcycle maintenance lines distribution world nntp posting host microb biostat washington article egreen green pixel cruncher writes primary concern protecting passenger event crash fitted helmet size primary concern complying stupid helmet laws carry real spare small head helmet small carry comply intelligent helmet laws comment implies support helmet support inferred promise promise steve steve moseley moseley washington microbiology phone university washington seattle 
handling request reply randy organization megatek corporation diego california lines article writes ican handson experience riding yamaha kindly comment handling depends context commented handles great compared bikes good compared compared miles owned randy davis email randy pilot uunet ucsd megatek randy eleven nigel tufnel spinal 
observation helmets reply randy organization megatek corporation diego california lines article egreen writes article altcit eskimo maven altcit eskimo norman hamer writes question passenger helmets ride meet church meeting yeah ticket guidelines pick shoei size backup helmet inexpensive smaller size accomodate passenger primary concern protecting passenger event crash fitted helmet size primary concern complying stupid helmet laws carry real spare small head helmet small accomplish goals definite physical type mind cough church meetings tastes tend smaller petite cough churchgoers smaller head safely medium small helmet works traded spare large helmet friend women medium size helmet previously picky size cough churchgoers give helpful motorcycle rides advice cover eventuality legality concerned spare handtowel tankbag makes acceptable padding passenger viewport padding viewport cases extreme mismatch randy davis email randy pilot uunet ucsd megatek randy eleven nigel tufnel spinal 
ducati opinions wanted organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article frankb frank ball writes godfrey digiorgi ramarren wrote ducati model essentially reduced displacement means weighs size power produced specifically meet vehicle restriction ducati model essentially reduced displacement means weighs size power brakes bzzt pounds lighter personally recently witnessed stoppie larger average rider aboard fingers measely single front disk accomplish task brake large overweight motor handle magnificently fast flaws mention limited steering lock annoyance noted testers mirrors perfect break problem slow limited steering lock problem prepared mirrors good imho forgot designer whazza matta philosophy hewlett packard home valley house drive seca hmm miss beth beth true beth dixon bethd yamaha excitable yamaha spike garage fssnoc ducati ducati monza restoration project kqspt handle side deranged 
choking ninja problem organization pnet newsreader lines starr ukans writes supertrapp slip carbs jetted match filters replaced stock airbox carbs rejeted match made bike stage dynojet huge flat spot carburation thousand gear rejetting frustrating highway bike likes cruise sixth gear tuned thinking carbs injection system suggestions restoring stock carbs jetting match extremely overly lean condition added free flowing exhaust higher flowing filters chances lean carb tuning tricky choice spend hours fiddling carbs witha dyno tune carbs current playing guessing game long time erik astrup concours ninja eleven nigel tufnel lead guitar spinal 
long lasting tires small bike organization pnet newsreader lines apma virginia heyman writes rear tires small fronts size recomendations call tire companies make recomendations check biker magazine cycle world phone numbers tires erik astrup concours ninja eleven nigel tufnel lead guitar spinal 
breaths nntp posting host corolla organization motorola cellular infrastructure group lines article svoboda david svoboda writes article declrckd declerck writes article svoboda david svoboda writes article declrckd declerck writes difference opinion difference motorcycling sport bike riders cruiser bike riders difference minds closed minded individuals motorcycling times riders cruiser bikes eddie ride continuously forum street find difference opinions motorcycling individuals motorcycling slightly nature people beauties sport cruiser bike riders view motorcycling sport bike riders dislike motorcycling closed minded view single rider cruiser bikes holds veiw sport bike rider possibly hold quantify generalization careful pigeonhole bunch people plastic bodywork useless torque upright riding position slightly radically forward riding position combined high torque motor cruiser motorcyclist chrome importance sport bike motorcyclists chrome impact buying choice motivated solely price criteria rider select vehicle choice ignore criteria insensitive words motorcycle fufill requirements sport bike rider cruiser rider hard motorcycle fufill person requirements fishing flames dave difference opinion analogous difference sports owners luxury owners moot conversation declerck email declrckd motorola cellular friends friends wear neon phone 
shipping bike nntp posting host spot colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article manish berkeley manish writes recommend ship motorcycle francisco seattle cost remember thread shipping saved instructions bike prep post email manish step join american motorcycling association call join step member ship bike uncrated fruited plain hundred bucks service continually pleased days thing prepare bike draining mention normal shipping costs time crate bike ship company nick coburn coburnn colorado 
members read organization cornell univ dept ithaca lines article chris steinbroner writes ranck ranck wrote owner thinking signing beginning suspiciously throwing money rathole current membership lapse renewal hesh case years hints organization business long preferably longer worth part david karr karr cornell 
tracing license plates cagers organization apple computer lines article cjackson curtis jackson wrote good advice hesh time back refresher imagine lily gently floating darkened pool volvo careening freeway lands pool franklin jamesf sons cagiva alazzurra signature remodling triumph slalom champ price quality workman kotp ship call today free estimit 
saddle bags nntp posting host indiana organization indiana university lines pretty wonderful world motorcycles bought friend wondering kind saddle bags bags tank cost hold advice riding love jbourgui indiana 
saddle bags helmets sale originator montasmm nntp posting host nmtvs reply montasmm medi montaseri organization northern telecom mountain view distribution lines selling items pair hard saddle bags easy installation snap release feature lock black brand krusures oshi full face helmets comming bike selling thing bike accessories yamaha vision call medi work home medi montaseri montasmm ames mcdcup ntmtv montasmm 
observation helmets michael seales organization inform group lines article maven altcit eskimo norman hamer writes dropped shoei seat bike rock centerstand chipped heck paint congraulations helmet passed snell test cheerfully spent bottle testor model paint repainted scratches chips minutes save head dropped mike mike seales yamaha inform group level tower terrace email homer wellington phone zealand 
stolen organization california institute technology pasadena lines distribution nntp posting host alumni caltech summary stolen pasadena blue white honda california plate serial number engine number turn signals mirrors lights taped track riders session willow springs tomorrow guess miss find baby 
shipping bike organization network computing devices lines nntp posting host pepper reply manish berkeley message recommend ship motorcycle francisco seattle cost recommend back cruise nice ride choose route care cost night motel bill mellon mellon uunet lupine mellon member league programming freedom find software patents cost program contact 
handling request organization university kentucky dept math sciences lines bradw brad warkentin writes handling good standards early compareable whats state days back opinion riding find enjoyment riding fast twisty road clayton brooks heart cbrooks blue cbrooks bitnet grass rutgers uunet ukma cbrooks bourbon country acbl 
members read organization university washington lines nntp posting host tomobiki washington reply mime version content type text plain charset ascii resign remainder year membership refunded 
riceburner respect organization icom simulations lines article craig saint craig writes keeper tude writes true rider real riding attitude offer wave weather harley honda bike inless case bike acknowleged find case harley riders give wave ride secure knowlege persob persob kinda people wave return wave harley harley riders seldom wave back duck squids wave return waves michael manning mmanning nextmail accepted flstf fatboy ducati 
tracing license plates cagers organization apple computer lines article jonathan quist wrote file complaint dangerous operation motor vehicle sign show court morning lane change freeway looked mirror theer looked seconds position accelerating triple check head turn decide plenty room accelerating travel mile staying feet bumper ahead casual mirror check tail stick hair tire fender mirror slowly throttle stays lost cuts time follow miles finally bored turn back work file complaint chance franklin jamesf sons cagiva alazzurra signature remodling triumph slalom champ price quality workman kotp ship call today free estimit 
bike wanted advice purchase keywords purchase advice organization north carolina state university project lines article behanna chris behanna writes article jburnside jamie burnside writes alot harder load trailer road legal tomorrow ignoring afforementioned concerns transmission taking chances worries trans reletively reader impressed usefull info newsgroup number busy riding count thought mailx hahahha jburnside waiting press return chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer agree raised pack wild corn dogs jack waters fear thief night afternoon asleep worry 
shipping bike organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article mellon lemon writes recommend ship motorcycle francisco seattle cost recommend back cruise nice ride choose route care shouldn cost night motel bill coast portland nice ways watch weather good drenching oregon coast range howard berkey howard 
stolen aarghh reply message organization netcom online communications service lines writes back drom work today bike proceding side shit rider cover barely weeks stole trashed honda white blue cover residential palo alto couple weeks cover holes burnt exhaust figured kids eric townsend hafta kill account work email nasa ducky wanna play saxophone skate unix boyo 
changing sprocket ratios honda organization university kentucky dept math sciences lines honda gurus replace front sprocket honda slightly larger preferable reducing size rear wanting ride relaxed clayton brooks heart cbrooks blue cbrooks bitnet grass rutgers uunet ukma cbrooks bourbon country acbl 
members read organization holonet national internet access system modem lines bike versus scuffling grow hope dump dempster campaign works crook suprised long hand wackos running throwing rathole effective sending club magazine politburo installed lacked sort panache bike static 
countersteering post organization ontario hydro research division lines article cjackson curtis jackson writes waterski bikes countersteers boat turns changing angle duct propeller waterski bike motorcycle wheel handlebars connected familiar steering head front handles motorcycle bike jody levine jody levine ride toronto ontario canada 
daemon child organization systems laboratory distribution lines article bethd beth dixon writes article behanna chris behanna writes article bethd beth dixon writes bzzt discovered touring bike nifty cache things coins lipstick doesn back carrying lipstick jacket pocket life hard denizen thinks natural thought kissing waxy shit smeared woman lips definite turn clear lipstick chapstick natural waxy shit category wear lips drying kissing cracked parched lips agreed chapstick fits waxy shit category noticed stealing annette chapstick applied lips cracking past winter previous winters sigh price kissing beth noemi noemi speaks darling annette guess ready barf bags chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer agree raised pack wild corn dogs 
shipping bike nntp posting host cycle mentorg organization mentor graphics keywords lines recommend ship motorcycle francisco seattle cost shipped portland oregon daytona years bike week rode back company federal reach member discount call join member shipping cost based number miles cost portland orlando insurance ride shipping dock siphon pick bike business bike arrived time orlando adjust mirrors bike perfect shape gary 
bikes horses insect impac almanac distribution world organization robert smits lines cooper greg cooper writes article egreen green article cwru freenet mike sturde exceptional average barely fart fuck mike gentlemen greg confused gentlemen newsgroup robert smits ladysmith lucas built weapons wars almanac start 
recommendation front tire lines organization university brunswick article steve mansfield writes front tire dead minimal tread left time recommendations good tire front riding brand back stick front laser front fantastic tire front tire graeme weir fido university brunswick fredericton canada damn jockeys full speed ahead live flame flame live trek 
long trips organization duke university durham lines nntp posting host north acpub duke article mark harrison ersys edmonton mark harrison writes motorcycliing bike long trip edmonton vancouver tips bare essentials trip tools clothing emergency repairs bike respond cage market cycle tips burnt appreciated mark oughta gang tool hmm andy infante listen fact remains thing joan sutherland opinions dammit 
front traffic jerks organization iowa state university ames lines nielsmm niels mikkel michelsen writes thing denmark short sword cleaved half assume short sword problems choice substitute action 
boom attack organization iowa state university ames lines ryan cousineau questor ryan cousineau writes riding hill leading house encountered liver white springer spaniel relation springer softail springer spagthorpe close relation spagthorpe viking missed article spagthorpe viking illuminated dragon head front fender style copied indian round side covers accident deleted worries accident prevented traveling slower necessarily unreasonable suggestion residential area riding speed limit forget line reasoning animal decides genetics putting mere gravel road loose rocks concrete swinging beef jumped fence ditch rammed jump fence feet ahead good forty side damn literally chased nailed damage bent case guard severely annoyed rider casualties shotgun eating steak nope actively evading forget manueverable 
flashing keywords flashing organization iowa state university ames lines behanna chris behanna writes arriving toll booth switch hazards thisto warn motorists taking longer seconds make transaction question good thing sounds good thing addition find hazards horn speeds interstates common mountains trucks states require flashers rural areas flashers tractor large implement communicate things deviate norm chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer painted green green triumph friend owned sold free adoption thunderpickle grab 
handling request organization iowa state university ames lines writes ican handson experience riding yamaha kindly comment handling strait line shit shrough goose corners ride honda dream 
bikes horses insect impacts nntp posting host birdie organization lachman technology incorporated naperville lines article dietrich writes previous article egreen green pixel cruncher lots things quoted article cwru freenet mike sturdevant writes average dirt biker jump foot suspended ground matter suspended ground imagination jump bike slide jonathan quist lachman technology incorporated kotpp kotcf gleep naperville pitter patter feet words daddy 
battery storage charge store organization computer science department stanford university lines couple bikes storage months starting months contemplating easy control batteries battery tender leave plugged time bikes storage fine heard discussing idea reason great mistake fully charge batteries drain electrolyte separate containers battery seal container close batteries leave bikes storage electrolyte back batteries fully charged wrong related note area denizens bunch spare edta months back left robert 
liability insurance required nntp posting host birdie organization lachman technology incorporated naperville lines article bradw brad warkentin writes article svoboda david svoboda writes lost attributions areas drivers required show proof financial responsibility means insurance required pulled drivers bellyaching pulled checked laws enforceable fact case money requirement yearly plate stickers ontario manitoba provinces show proof insurnace renew plate sticker concept owner responsible actions authorized user biggest arguments photo radar ticketing systems outstanding tickets cross province agreements ontario quebec unpaid tickets province record date sticker trouble recourse issued ticket clerical error computer follow city chicago informal motto city works issues dozens parking tickets year people foot tire city jonathan quist lachman technology incorporated kotpp kotcf gleep naperville pitter patter feet words daddy 
fortune guzzler barred bars organization systems corporation lines today newspaper fortune guzzler barred bars barnstaple england reuter motorcyclist drunk insurance payment years banned wednesday england wales david roberts awarded cash compensation losing motorcycle accident spent virtually cider court barnstaple southwest england told judge malcolm coterill banned roberts bars england wales months years probation started brawl bruce clarke environment mail bclarke 
solar battery chargers good organization computer science department stanford university lines solar battery boosters guarantee hand heard people success communicate directly person experience occasional charging long term leave weeks robert kennedy robert kennedy office robert stanford home voice computer science dept stanford university home 
gentlemen nntp posting host birdie organization lachman technology incorporated naperville lines article tjohnson prime johnson writes article grant barkwell ersys edmonton grant barkwell writes knowledge simply posessing motorcycle laid true thankfully true gentlemen favor excuse comments sexual fortunes misspoke banking owning motorcycle laid doubt sexual fortunes reverse jonathan quist lachman technology incorporated kotpp kotcf gleep naperville pitter patter feet words daddy 
happy easter nntp posting host birdie organization lachman technology incorporated naperville lines article kevinh ascom writes sell tested corniche remain british time hard rolls royce owned british firm gods civilization jonathan quist lachman technology incorporated kotpp kotcf gleep naperville pitter patter feet words daddy 
live free quietly distribution entire nugent family organization computervision lines article egreen writes loud pipes biligerent exercise projection arguements facts able avoid accident revving engine stock harley pipes make noise draw someones attention instinctively revved engine horn worked important louder pipes harley loud noticed road reason personally feel loud america home free land atlanta braves fine tuned machine federal government involved pass restrictions generous move revving engine noticed horns hand throttle feet bike seconds long push horn button bike johnson slow geritol 
liability insurance required distribution organization duke university durham lines nntp posting host north acpub duke article fist bellcore richard pierson writes lets fault stuff straight lived started rates alot moved rates alot story sitting parking lunch wacks guess insurance pays give weeny insurance company stupid jerk hits parking insruance company immediately fault insurance company hell raise rates andy infante listen fact remains thing joan sutherland opinions dammit 
ggrr cages double parking motorc nntp posting host birdie organization lachman technology incorporated naperville lines article egreen writes article geake writes ultra sticky labels printed favourite curse good local hospitals wheel clamps putting size window cage apartment complex live thing driver window miss friend damned wrecked home night vision blocked sticker suggested manager enormous liability assuming pulling stunt claimed driver fault illegally parking place good laugh court found liable careful putting stickers cages windows yeah make darn cover glass driver expect able drive things jonathan quist lachman technology incorporated kotpp kotcf gleep naperville pitter patter feet words daddy 
fortune guzzler barred bars article reed organization reed college portland oregon lines bclarke writes today newspaper fortune guzzler barred bars barnstaple england reuter motorcyclist drunk insurance payment years banned wednesday england wales david roberts awarded cash compensation losing motorcycle accident spent virtually cider court barnstaple southwest england told judge malcolm coterill banned roberts bars england wales months years probation started brawl justice lost give motorcycling assuming david legged swamped years admit prefer homebrew pubbrew judge coterill trouble chance convince ruling backward nick deserved starting brawl form horribly form drunk thought natural born spending money goodness cares moolah spends recklessly ashamed humanity matt block koch honda 
members read organization university virginia lines article karr cornell david karr writes riveting bmwmoa election soap opera details deleted shortage alternative candidates voting vechorik cast vote groucho ride safe cliff weston seca bike excellent condition work glen crash stone 
european insurance organization uppsala university lines nntp posting host strix udac moved sweden tests written road valid license years resident drive license resident italy 
camping question organization microsystems lines distribution world reply rogerc nntp posting host discovery article npet nick pettefar writes back youth ahem wiffy purchased gadget heated water source thought worked slight problem revs lower motor lack electron movement colonists replaced bolt bottom barrel wanted coffee engine boiling pour water ethylene glycol antifreeze methanol tastes sweeter roger collier microsystems coventry england gsxr keeper gsxr list 
aerostitch piece organization north carolina state university project distribution lines article cornell writes request opinions piece aerostitch piece aerostitch versatile protection advance nadine scared piece piece jacket pants manly athletic build kind thing laughing trim pants piece provide protection wrong swiftly gently correct pansies knowledge call jack waters fear thief night afternoon asleep worry 
countersteering post organization school information systems norwich lines nntp posting host leavitt bill writes mike sixsmith writes imho telling newbies countersteering counter productive confuses rode happily years knowing countersteering ride differently interpret representative motorcyclist world mike presumptive imho humble opinion leavitt bill writes leavitt time learn countersteering techniques leavitt starting learn develop habits rode leavitt years taking learning leavitt countersteer years leavitt consciously steer countersteer leavitt habits hard habits harder bill complete bollocks learned countersteer time rode bike natural intuitive mike kick countersteer stone kicked sake argument concede countersteering sake argument teach countersteer told confusing newbies difference knowing happening make extreme case emergency swerve letting bike make turn knew precisely happening make abruptly command emergency avoidance abilities improved tenfold mention improvement normal cornering ability proficient knowing countersteer motorcycle letting motorcycle steer remember cognitive command bike letting corners return original comment learn happening start charge developing habit ride bill kidding firstly motorcycles steer rider adhesion tyre road suspension geometry ground clearance motorcycle dictate quickly swerve avoid obstacles knowledge physics rider ears suggesting countersteering knowledge enables corner faster competently manage mike extremely gratified natural affinity prowess motorcycling formal training total waste time assuming total training simply reading motorcycles motorcyclists discussed formal rider education regarded experience overwhelmingly positive amount experience brought ranging minutes years formal training country aware include countersteering theory found countersteering years physics lecturer motorcyclist steered bike make turn left analysed closely realized interesting knowledge telling sceptical interesting knowledge claim essential bikers corner faster result absurd formal training view absolutely essential able ride bike properly safely including countersteering theory newbie courses confusing people unnecessarily time important matters learn original point mike 
drinking riding nntp posting host bmdhh organization europe maidenhead newsreader version lines norman hamer maven wrote general rule thumb sobriety cycling couple hours feel sober work drink tonight ride tomorrow generally find decent hits nitrous riding improves enormously drinking silly breath smells costs lots money pigs detect machines works nick biker concise err nick pettefar contractor incarcerated maidenhead united kingdom npet pres pbwasoh 
organization suspect lines article gsfc nasa seiss writes level mark window lower side motor noticing level window gradually decreases miles checking window bike level ground idle awhile chance drain back bike leaking place smoke coming exhaust owner manual amount high marks level window approx quart bike quarts miles owner manual figure consumption mile question degree consumption bike normal owners level gradually consistently bike work local data points normal bikes thousand miles bikes quart miles quits time miles consumption told harder bike reason sooner stops charlie smith charlie cmhnet kotdohl kotwitdodl kspi buckey beemers ohio triumph columbus ohio 
internet discussion list organization suspect lines article bparker uark brian parker writes world motorcyles lovers lovers started discussion list internet people interested talking bikes discuss interested joining drop line list post send distribute join enjoy invent wreck motorcycles curious minds charlie smith charlie cmhnet kotdohl kotwitdodl kspi buckey beemers ohio triumph columbus ohio 
internet discussion list organization suspect lines article bparker uark brian parker writes world motorcyles lovers lovers started discussion list internet people interested talking bikes discuss interested joining drop line list post send distribute join enjoy thought invent wreck moto round figure theme song coming charlie smith kspt pitter patter feet words daddy locked 
bikes contacts organization suspect lines article columbia sebastian sears writes article cookson mitre cookson writes article uiuc student writes quick question recently bike drive problem wind messing contacts permeable full face helmet face sheild works work wind blows inside eyes dust eventually wearing sunglasses inside helmet wear sunglasses inside full face helmet dirt wind contacts mumble mumble mumble charlie smith kspt 
maintenance manual honda organization suspect lines article buffalo duncan sterling writes thinks touring pushing envelope twin local honda dealer honda dream commonly referred touring bike water problem back rode puch paris barcelona back stroke back representative size bikes road considered bike superbikes bigger real rare charlie smith kspt water mais voulez vous melange 
ggrr cages double parking motorcycles pisses nntp posting host bmdhh organization europe maidenhead newsreader version lines evelyn wells wibbled morning pulled designated motorcycle parking area find cage pulled bikes people double park cars motorcycles mind rhetorical question carry pieces paper park motorcycle area call cops wait emerge building berate forgiveness problem evie local branch preferred method phone belongs northern ireland government committee hour longer problem park close nick vengeful biker concise oxford plastic nick pettefar contractor incarcerated maidenhead united kingdom npet pres pbwasoh 
bikes horses insect impacts nntp posting host bmdhh organization europe maidenhead newsreader version lines jonathan quist wibbled article dietrich writes previous article egreen green pixel cruncher lots things quoted article cwru freenet mike sturdevant writes average dirt biker jump foot suspended ground matter suspended ground imagination jump bike slide jonathan quist nice thing horses break middle fuel cheaper nick biker concise oxford giddy nick pettefar contractor incarcerated maidenhead united kingdom npet pres pbwasoh 
extraordinary footpeg engineering organization inland steel company east chicago lines article unsw writes goddamn mystery stud side bike clunked turned absent fairly event fact thread hole footpeg perfectly intact evidence forcefully ripped moments previously engineering types explain tightly fitting steel thread threaded hole alloy damaging thread hole knock threaded stud hole destroying threads part stud hole stud hole touched side bike doom 
countersteering post organization university east anglia lines egreen green pixel cruncher writes article mike sixsmith writes egreen green pixel cruncher writes argue gyroscopes throughly understand technique countersteering including countersteer corner underlying physics matter taught beginners agreed countersteering technique taught understanding technique develop maximally effective emergency avoidance manuvers thing disagree agree disagree telling newbies steer left turn unnecessarily confusing bike ride damn thing happening gits haven clue understanding physics traction fine detailed theory place motorcyle training maximum traction obtained tyre beginning slide road violent disagreement state true insufficient form traction management policy traction increases applied normal force traction front wheel increases weight shifts braking forces correspondingly decreases rear technique applying brakes easing rear increasing pressure front learned understanding weight shift traction jeez started talking traction management policies thought making weird reference railway locomotives official line doubts front brake applied rear brake idea avoid locking rear weight transfer takes place practice suspect people describe brake tire begins slide useless advice newbie slide tire find information develop braking technique braking weight shift develop slide tyre knowing achieved maximum braking suggesting brake hard possibly find limits machine case maximum braking suggested wheels point sliding suggest 
motorcycles organization news organization lines nntp posting host calvin article gregh dcrt gregory humphreys writes buying bike insurance turn month parents taking care insurance till comprehensive list costs buying motorcycle insure live washington makes difference depends bike found bike interested call insurance companies rates bikes cheaper insure costs year louis recommendations bike recommend bike short feet ground stop piece advice give motorcycle safety foundation rider dealer details states completion give break insurance teach ride properly beginning learn habits good luck riding motorcycle naked alan 
insurance discount lines nntp posting host palm organization cray research eagan newsreader version erik asphaug asphaug arizona wrote insurance agent offers multi vehicle discount time cars assuming capable progressive offers multi vehicle discounts good prices imho tony tony jones uunet cray cmcs codegeneration group software division cray research lone drive eagan 
bike organization systems corporation lines article james belliveau writes motorcycle enthusiast motorcycle bluntly sucks advice thought posting green bruce clarke environment mail bclarke 
fortune guzzler barred bars organization comp dept strathclyde univ glasgow scotland lines nntp posting host lister strath perfectly scotland 
motorcycles organization sonoma county srsd mwtd newsreader version lines gregory humphreys gregh dcrt wrote greg motorcycles bought position learn ridden class group called motorcycle safety foundation california similar washington calling motorcycle dealer area good start ride motorcycle correctly 
traffic morons stafford winona msus john stafford distribution world organization winona state university nntp posting host stafford winona msus lines article ryan cousineau questor ryan cousineau wrote nielsmm niels mikkel michelsen subject front traffic jerks raining cats dogs therefor speed limit bike driving meters meters light calmly bike walked back rolled window told total idiot reason thing imho wrong thing shot bike beat shit person foolish drive fool heck idiot driver illegal file citizens arrest drag person court hassle major hassle perp john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply 
insurance lotsa points distribution world organization modem palace reply tony demon newsreader simple news lines article cjackson writes glad judgemental shits calling litte tony tony kidson request voice morgan towers move mail order morgan road tony demon bromley machine compulink england honda 
shaft drives wheelies stafford winona msus john stafford distribution organization winona state university nntp posting host stafford winona msus lines xlyx cornell wheelie motorcycle shaft drive rear wheel ground front hops figure john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply 
traffic morons organization university georgia athens lines article stafford winona msus john stafford writes article ryan cousineau questor ryan cousineau wrote nielsmm niels mikkel michelsen subject front traffic jerks raining cats dogs therefor speed limit bike driving meters meters light calmly bike walked back rolled window told total idiot reason thing imho wrong thing shot bike beat shit person foolish drive fool heck idiot driver illegal file citizens arrest drag person court hassle major hassle perp john stafford minnesota state university winona make citizens arrest felony standard disclaimers apply 
paris dakar touring nntp posting host mikej mentorg organization mentor graphics newsreader version lines mike johnson mentor graphics boeckman software support corporation wilsonville framework products division 
shaft drives wheelies organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply john daker nntp posting host previous article xlyx cornell mike terry asks wheelie motorcycle shaft drive mike imposible shaft effect centripital effects rotating shaft counteract tendency front wheel lift ground darkman significant problems face solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion 
bike wheelies organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply john daker nntp posting host previous article james belliveau motorcycle enthusiast motorcycle bluntly sucks advice good starter bike thing make bike good buying time question specifically interested racing bikes sound kind crazy bike responsible fast learner love give advice search including places specific bikes sell answer obvious darkman significant problems face solved level thinking created albert einstein eternal champion 
shaft drives wheelies distribution lines nntp posting host able xlyx cornell writes wheelie motorcycle shaft drive countersteer humor impared pphhtt concours sophisticated lady dietrich sportster sport sale spike garage queued fssnoc jousts gather kspt bell cool rule mail lewis disclaimer takes responsibility opinions preceding 
honda sale organization microsoft corp keywords hurricane distribution lines sale honda hurricane bought bike summer love bills forcing part bike miles runs strong nead tune possibly break pads rubber good tossing tankbag kiwi helmet offer hits newspaper micronews interested parties call evenings 
traffic morons nntp posting host umanitoba organization university manitoba winnipeg canada lines ryan cousineau questor ryan cousineau writes nielsmm niels mikkel michelsen subject front traffic jerks found effective strategy flash brake light pumping pedal free play brake pedal brain dead idiot discern flashing light directly front wrong thing wrong strategy cried wolf jorg klinger gsxr arch services lost horizons umanitoba embalmer anonymous squidonk 
flames exhaust xxdate nntp posting host bcarm organization useragent nuntius lines article chris behanna behanna writes article dave farra writes reminds great editorial bruce reeve couple months cycle canada pissed cops pulling speeders dangerous spots blind corners decided revenge cruising factory loaner test bike noticed pulled motorist ramp shoulder bright bike kill switch passing happened bending offending motorist exposing glutes passing world ignition system dead pumped throtle times fill exhaust canister volatile fuel stab kill switch light ignition send flame sargeant swell direction cycle cops read cycle canada agree spirit action hope rider ponied takes replace exhaust system destroyed owner manual explicitly warns behavior reason destroy muflers chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer agree raised pack wild corn dogs chance offending rider moto journalist sell hundreds bikes stroke murder test bikes worth early expiration mufler bone head butt baked dave true money talks mine spoke drink 
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motorcycles organization adobe systems incorporated mountain view lines article gregh dcrt gregory humphreys writes work cover bike helmet ignorant numbers approximate doubt flamed helmet cheap jacket cheap gloves special motorcycle safety foundation riding leaves depending accuracy numbers bike registered insured running properly cutting close parents reasonable learn ride safely pick cost safety gear early holiday presents time long term investments spend money actual bike insurance registration maintenance curtis jackson cjackson adobe hawk maxim kotb black studley doright collie golden george justification taking individuals freedom guise public safety thomas jefferson 
fortune guzzler barred bars organization cornell univ dept ithaca lines article russell hughes knicker twister writes article npet nick pettefar writes brawl history things biker make reasonable person object joining history things mentioned article present irrelevant detail drinking money fault results hand shoddy journalism attach strings spend settlement money trust assume perfectly legitimate drink spend david karr karr cornell 
fortune guzzler barred bars nntp posting host bmdhh organization europe maidenhead newsreader version lines david karr wibbled article russell hughes knicker twister writes article npet nick pettefar writes brawl history things biker make reasonable person object joining history things mentioned article present irrelevant detail drinking money fault results hand shoddy journalism attach strings spend settlement money trust assume perfectly legitimate drink spend david karr karr cornell heard newspaper article journalists editors pick interesting sensational facts delectation editor facts good story noticed motorcyclists treated press thrive hysteria ignorance sensationalism upmanship salt taking pinch nick cynical biker concise oxford leaky gearbox nick pettefar contractor teneo tuus intervallum cuurrently incarcerated npet maidenhead united kingdom pres pbwasoh bell tolls tolls time 
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times worst times nntp posting host harley organization black belt motorcyclists association lines note times times year funny thing bike engine runs perfectly completely smooth runs poorly days exceptional theory density moisture content complete combustion needless puts great mood mood lasted miles heading north freeway mile south throttle stopped responding lanes make lanes shoulder initially gliding pushing traffic heavy cars mind stopping turned screw unscrewed inside mikuni carb hearing screws tight bike thought screws inside carb roadside fixable time death life telling fired geis paul blumstein paulb abate marc arrl platypus arpci naswa lwca rcma cala transaction technology santa monica 
type spesifications organization hewlettpackardsantarosasystmsdiv rohnertparkca newsreader version lines vidar olaf solberg vidaros wrote letter spesifications motorcycle models means honda suzuki honda designates engine street bike twin street bike parallel twin inline cylinder engine race bike sport bike steet scramblers street bikes high pipes custom street bike dirt strokes dual purpose bike dirt stroke dual purpose bike suffix touring bike frank ball frankb work hewlett packard home valley house drive seca rohnert park 
hell mets summary visual damage indicator lines article carleton lloyd carr writes previous article maven altcit eskimo norman hamer replacing real future wear totally nondamaged face rated cheapie wind wearing shoei comfortable wind quieter minor damage wear drops paint chips helmet poorly fitting scratches bangs repaired confident protection helmet continue give depressions actual cracks magnifying glass replacement good advice couple years involved speed getoff landed back pavement head helmeted pavement clunk leaving couple dings chips paint point impact visible damage called helmet manufacturer inquired damage fiberglass shell works give delaminate crack fiberglass serves spread force impact wider area fiberglass thing crushable foam liner takes care absorbing remaining impact force told stage fiberglass functionality delamination glass resin layers occur visible signs inside helmet suggested send helmet inspect including raying back helmet letter stating find damage compromise ability helmet provide maximum protection suspect letter eliminate able claim prior damage helmet event bottom line appears helmets integrity compromised visible signs send back inspected note helmet manufacturers provide inspections services point purchasing franklin heaven people wait gwrra laugh sinners saints sinners lots good young 
hasty organization louisiana tech university lines nntp posting host engr latech article randy randy davis writes article speedy latech speedy mercer writes article jnmoyne jean noel moyne writes stand thought driving influence stand driving intoxicated beleive means driving impaired intoxicated states lived changed louisiana court case claiming stoned intoxicated liquor imparied necessarily impaired liquor drugs sleep total moron impair surprised hook lousiana confined liquor lets technician speed student stolen taglines real declared integer deleted files black holes dividing world minutes earth full delete 
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honda sale organization corporate notes server lines wanted people motorcycle sold inquiries dave schultz 
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flames exhaust organization university sussex lines article mikeh uiuc mike hollyman custom replaced cylinder head gasket back idle running cylinders backfire spit flames exhaust side exhaust bought plugs today runs rough idle fine tune knobs carbs messed checked timing fine advanced assume carbs synched price suggestions dont carbs suspect timing head make sense worth deeley school engineering insignificant university sussex important england anon 
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hasty reply randy organization megatek corporation diego california lines article speedy latech speedy mercer writes article jnmoyne jean noel moyne writes stand thought driving influence stand driving intoxicated beleive means driving impaired intoxicated states lived changed louisiana court case claiming stoned intoxicated liquor imparied necessarily impaired liquor drugs sleep total moron impair surprised hook lousiana confined liquor randy davis email randy pilot uunet ucsd megatek randy eleven nigel tufnel spinal 
movies bikes summary bike movies keywords movies nntp posting host ursa organization calvin college lines folks assembling info film criticism class final project essentially movies motos substantial capacity fallen angles marlboro raising arizona fellow give preciated summary bike plot helpful eric sundheim csundh calvin grandrapids hondo 
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motorcycles organization national institutes health bethesda lines motorcycles flames bike pieces information work cover bike helmet ignorant buying bike insurance turn month parents taking care insurance till comprehensive list costs buying motorcycle insure live washington makes difference recommendations imagine state state bitter written test learners permit wondering learning ride bike proficiently liscence kill oneself bike teach advice heard live field friend pickup truck answers ride neighborhood hope kind live residential area suburbs city mile downtown viable stories learned replies advance greg humphreys meant damn autoindent greg humphreys thursday national institutes health hang thursdays gregh arthur dent 
happy easter nntp posting host corolla organization motorola cellular infrastructure group lines article ranck ranck writes picking morgan technology wrong technology people shovels holes hole stock shovel performance mods stroking cams real rear tire dave svoboda svoboda rtsg tired concours mm beating dave ring ding woops learn chicago beth bruiser dixon 
happy easter originator kevinh reply kevinh ascom organization ascom hasler lines article jonathan quist writes article davet dave tharp writes article jonathan quist writes rolls royce owned british firm gods civilization ford owns aston martin jaguar general motors owns lotus vauxhall rover owned honda minor blasphemy companies likes jaguar lotus outright sacrilege british ownership fundamental thing legal clause owns british company owner sell company kevinh ascom 
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motorcycle detailing organization louisiana tech university lines nntp posting host engr latech article cray tony jones writes note users plexi fairings light hits giant magnifing glass melt hole guage technician speed student stolen taglines real declared integer deleted files black holes dividing world minutes earth full delete 
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fortune guzzler barred bars organization louisiana tech university lines nntp posting host engr latech article mblock matt block writes assuming david legged orleans company making motorcycles wheelchair bound people consists flat sidecar wheelchair clamped hand controls mounted conventional handlebars wierd hell legless driving girlfriend sits bike passenger technician speed student stolen taglines real declared integer deleted files black holes dividing world minutes earth full delete 
countersteering post reply staal unit staal amund vinterbo organization norwegian institute technology lines article mike sixsmith writes formal training view absolutely essential able ride bike properly safely including countersteering theory newbie courses confusing people unnecessarily time important matters learn original point mike agree formal training essential safe riding disagree strongly original point point formal training prepare riders road preparedness opinion exclude aspects riding bike wrong imho countersteering countersteering trained common reaction bikers bicycle riders emergency situation steer motorcycle bicycle makes motorcycle direction opposite intended needless dangerous specific rider left turn rider thinks close shoulder road steer motorcycle left pulling left handle pushing handle motorcycle straightens road worse scenario rider turn middle turn rider sees truck coming panicking rider steer motorcycle truck crashes main function riding teach avoid emergency situations knowledge training countersteering imho riding staal unit 
bikes short reply sturges navy richard sturges organization carderock division nswc bethesda lines motorcycles bean ucar gregory bean writes friend shopping motorcycle great seat great thing found unhappy thought bike ridden mind ridden bikes remember thread point similar passing months list mistaken thread group point short bikes style bike money rides hawk ease cruisers slung real short rich sturges nswc carderock division speak listen 
insurance lotsa points reply cjackson message organization netcom online communications service lines cjackson curtis jackson writes cjackson glad judgemental shits cjackson ridden driven tired sleepy hungover angry distracted cjackson years guilty judgmental shits drive ride impaired stopped sort thing good friend mine killed drunk driver failed stop drove side volvo caddy suspect responsible adults bother posting flame wars moto cjackson justification taking individuals freedom cjackson guise public safety thomas jefferson owned slaves forced concubines resources wanted fear reprisal smoked dope eric townsend hafta kill account work email nasa ducky wanna play saxophone skate unix boyo 
shaft drives wheelies distribution organization cornell university lines wheelie motorcycle shaft drive mike terry virago 
type spesifications organization adobe systems incorporated mountain view lines article frankb frank ball writes honda designates engine street bike twin honda hawk twin called curtis jackson cjackson adobe hawk maxim kotb black studley doright collie golden george justification taking individuals freedom guise public safety thomas jefferson 
stuff nntp posting host msstate organization mississippi state university lines years member folks guess called covering bases idea happening juicey news happen inside nihilism matters craig vechorik ambassador finally bucks real wheels politically correct statement 
electricty altnet lines sigha figure halogen beam easy ways slip bulb replacement told bike shop damn bright incandescent beam caused perma battery picked cheapo motorcycle battery charging system tester hook battery lights good charge start engine test charging system register supposed light lights stays point battery question charging system plain messed heck battery staying fully charged darned dead supporting lights problem charging system generally slower charging normal bigger bikes easy happy noise miles bike weekend finally myass endorsement good cage quit running worth damn money repair weatherman bright sunny week chance rain friday 
good reasons wave altnet lines morning coffee thoughts waving bikers makes sense nice meet road good ride watching bikes wave means attention road cages habit watching carefully bikes cage good thing 
happy easter nntp posting host bmdhh organization europe maidenhead newsreader version lines kevinh wibbled article jonathan quist writes article davet dave tharp writes article jonathan quist writes rolls royce owned british firm gods civilization ford owns aston martin jaguar general motors owns lotus vauxhall rover owned honda minor blasphemy companies likes jaguar lotus outright sacrilege british ownership fundamental thing legal clause owns british company owner sell company kevinh ascom seperate company aero engine company government stake owned stake jaguar decided make quick buck sold ford bastards ultimate arthur daley government nick cynical biker concise oxford leaky gearbox nick pettefar contractor teneo tuus intervallum cuurrently incarcerated npet maidenhead united kingdom pres pbwasoh 
times worst times nntp posting host eugene convex organization convex computer corporation richardson disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines paulb paul blumstein writes note times turned screw unscrewed inside mikuni carb hearing screws tight bike thought screws inside carb roadside fixable time check screws carb suck munge piston valve happen matthew 
cobra locks organization microsystems lines distribution reply central nntp posting host webrider central posting locksmithing methods securing motorcycle responses referring cobra lock store carrying lock chicago area feedback info steve article innraj washington basiji washington david basiji writes incidentally lock found bikes cobra lock cable shrouded articulated hardened steel sleeve lock cylindrical locking pawl engages joints articulation points chain adjusted handcuffs leverage lock break open cylinder protected torch vice heavy duty cutting wheel steve bunis microsystems itasca 
xx police officers read stuff organization lockheed missiles space lines wondering officers read questions pertaining motorcycles cops vehicle code local station obvious things questions found places answered face face real live flesh brother friend cousin whos father bother writing 
movies bikes organization louisiana tech university lines nntp posting host engr latech summary bike movies keywords movies article csundh calvin charles sundheim writes folks assembling info film criticism class final project essentially movies motos substantial capacity fallen angles marlboro raising arizona fellow give preciated summary bike plot helpful easy rider harleys drugs rednecks orleans violence wanna time rider honda thumper time travel sunday documentary dirtbike racers great great escape steve mcqueen nazis rebel james dean future movies years technician speed student stolen taglines real declared integer deleted files black holes dividing world minutes earth full delete 
xx police officers read stuff organization louisiana tech university lines nntp posting host engr latech article jrlaf lmsc lockheed laferriere writes wondering officers read questions pertaining motorcycles cops vehicle code local station obvious things questions found places answered face face real live flesh brother friend cousin whos father bother writing gotta questions active working qualfications technician speed student stolen taglines real declared integer deleted files black holes dividing world minutes earth full delete 
route suggestions organization bellcore livingston distribution summary york lines article central steve bunis chicago writes point route presently undetermined pennsylvania york back chicago suggestions make york state palisades interstate parkway pleasant ride beautiful scenery good road surface minimal traffic sidetrip lakes drive parkway reasons road sweeps hills sweeping turns forest canopy mitch corrado bell communications research tnds bellcore wreck code warrior 
motorcycles organization cornell univ dept ithaca lines article gregh dcrt gregory humphreys writes motorcycles flames bike pieces information stories learned story early riding lessons college roommate honda beginner learned needed ride proceeded beat honda helmet rode wearing cotton windbreaker decided invest full face helmet smart move passed road test caught rainstorm home mile trip entering town lived urban suburb stop suddenly light noticed late skidded rear tire ejected face upward oncoming lane traffic fortunately oncoming traffic stopped light slid killed anecdotal evidence experienced rider earlier training helped greatly case greater practice basic stuff advice beginner thing bike happen pick real good deal store someplace ready work cover bike helmet ignorant waiting weeks recall waiting lists boston save money start riding gear cost bike guess mechanic make machine safe assuming economize buying beat machine private individual insurance registration licensing fees including bike reserve ongoing maintenance buying bike insurance turn month parents taking care insurance till comprehensive list costs buying motorcycle insure live washington makes difference insurance upstate closer boston urban decent insurance including substantial coverage liability plan poor guess boston rural area ergo expensive recommendations annual buyer guides usual motorcycle magazines found helpful idea recent models past issues size bikes bike years bought friend advice bikes people riding parked street basically settled present bike noticing high mileage running generally wanted wrong talking dealers area visiting showrooms dealers boston area shopping nice letting showrooms quoting prices bikes latest models cheaper ended buying bikes private sales david karr karr cornell bmwmoa aclu 
bikes short organization cornell univ dept ithaca lines article bean ucar gregory bean writes friend shopping motorcycle great seat great thing found unhappy happier suzuki designation boss seat couple inches lower regular cruiser david karr karr cornell bmwmoa aclu 
bike sale keywords wicked sexist nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia sebastian sears organization columbia university lines article tyngsboro jeff derienzo writes recently father twins afford bikes babies babies staying harleys xlhd wife bike pretty uncalled smile harley manhood feeling challenged jeff derienzo wanna drink someday temple bass sears columbia stanley yamaha toyota runner 
program nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia sebastian sears organization columbia university distribution lines mail archive location program wanna drink someday temple bass sears columbia stanley yamaha toyota runner 
story keywords party nntp posting host camellia organization siemens pacesetter lines lynn lynn hall writes allowed open containers street signs bars yeah cops hand couple thousand bikers block main street citing street filled empty cans feet deep gutter crowd raisin hell tittie shows party stereotype whacha ifin stereotype likes drink beer watch lovely ladies display beautiful bodies stereotype refering stereotype infer negative noticed rape pillage burn town left mucho bucks money town thinks town likes lynn hall bros 
traffic morons stafford winona msus john stafford distribution world organization winona state university nntp posting host stafford winona msus lines article ahatcher allan hatcher wrote make citizens arrest felony true rephrase file complaint bring person court understand citizens arrest physical detention person john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply 
members read organization comp lines article virginia dances federal rangers article cactus writes virginia dances federal rangers writes cast vote groucho thought superior power handling price range obmotowashing finger evil cotterpin lurking dark recesses back bike giving prized moto bath slice pinkie hand time time ride safe send rags cliff weston seca thought cool bike powder coat black undercoat neon splatter brian simmons beemers jeff campbell frog cmhnet 
shaft drives wheelies stafford winona msus john stafford distribution world organization winona state university nntp posting host stafford winona msus lines article john daker wrote previous article xlyx cornell mike terry asks wheelie motorcycle shaft drive mike imposible shaft effect centripital effects rotating shaft counteract tendency front wheel lift ground true evinced popularity shaft drive drag bikes john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply 
cobra locks organization systems laboratory distribution lines article central writes posting locksmithing methods securing motorcycle responses referring cobra lock store carrying lock chicago area dealerships turn back order manufacturer directly made order nonstandard length standard feedback article innraj washington basiji washington david basiji writes incidentally lock found bikes cobra lock cable shrouded articulated hardened steel sleeve lock cylindrical locking pawl engages joints articulation points chain adjusted handcuffs leverage lock break open cylinder protected torch vice heavy duty cutting wheel long cobralinks lock harley anymore lock anymore made articulated steel shells covering strands steel cable stop joyriders professionals open easily freeze link break frozen link favorite method hammers work snip steel cables authority frightfully thin boltcutters money kryptonite cable lock thick steel cable steel rope shielded flexible covering protect bike finish barrel type locking mechanism adjustable source difficult pick locks cable squish flat bolt cutter jaws shear model bets thief grinder cutoff wheel durable locks tested yield tool minute krypto cable paycheck chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer agree raised pack wild corn dogs 
point helmet point nntp posting host harley organization black belt motorcyclists association lines article terry terry cunningham writes books proposed bans motorcycles place private places bikes famous mile drive monterrey peninsula stayed resorts sported motorcycles allowed sign entrance public places call bensberg legislative office recound public places bring court reverse bikes includes public parks full cities fights books speak good reason donate legislative fund death life telling fired geis paul blumstein paulb abate marc arrl platypus arpci naswa lwca rcma cala transaction technology santa monica 
cobra locks reply sproulx stephane proulx organization bell northern research lines find repost original sender bottom article motorcycles path scrumpy bnrgate corpgate news utdallas hermes chpc utexas exas swrinde mips pacbell iggy vitalink widener ibmpc pipex unipalm uknet cybaswan eeharvey eeharvey uucp harvey newsgroups motorcycles subject lock bike message date references lines figures performance bikes lock test permission price comparison cable locks sort armour chain locks padlock chain lock tested maximum minutes secs test bottle jack cutting disc bolt croppers flame table split immoblisers lock somethings short make comparisons type weight total price pounds folding cyclelok abus steel cable flex oxford cable revolver abus diskus chain folding cyclelok abus extra lock cobra cable abus closed chain shackle kryptonite lock oxford lock magnum disclock disc lock abus lock mini block disc lock pretty depressing reading good lock common sense park bike answer spent spare time weeks landscaping trashing garden friends bikes house accommodate bikes relative security underestimate room bike requires manouver walled area weekend bikes abus closed shackle lock hassle visiting parents minimum wait weeks decide investigate insurance company make offer real haggling begin abus german company represented common distributor article michael brandon oliver crescent hawick roxburgh distributors locks required lose harvey university college swansea rock roll eeharvey swan young 
countersteering sans hands organization becton dickinson research center lines nntp posting host polymr bdrc steer hands bars open budweiser left hand camel cigarette feet allowed lean bike turns countersteering countersteering benchracing taller seat feet floor rick 
shaft drives wheelies nntp posting host organization earth lectronic link distribution lines article xlyx cornell writes wheelie motorcycle shaft drive mike terry told nasa rent stopped swore lifting completely part water carbs phil stone address pstone motorcycles 
route suggestions nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia sebastian sears organization columbia university distribution lines article bellcore corrado mitchell writes article central steve bunis chicago writes point route presently undetermined pennsylvania york back chicago suggestions make york state palisades interstate parkway pleasant ride beautiful scenery good road surface minimal traffic pavement exit days beating winter remember breaking potholes storm drains lane opposed side road talk annoying cost saving measures traffic weekdays outbound rush hour inbound mitch corrado tnds bellcore wanna drink someday temple bass sears columbia stanley yamaha toyota runner 
hell mets nntp posting host ucalgary organization university calgary alberta lines article maven altcit eskimo norman hamer writes talked couple people helmets dropping sweat replacing ride helmet helmet damaged structurally dropped feet cement seat chipped paint screw actual shell price helmet feet higher replacing real future wear totally nondamaged face rated cheapie wind wearing shoei comfortable wind quieter minor damage wear full facer worried wind blast face inability hear police sirens helmet damaged reccomend good helmets slightly disappointed badly shoei scratched bloody careful impact chip paint arguably mess period good full face good venting wind protection shoei style kinda norton awhile back suspect expensive helmet replace time careful helmet subject fitting sukhoi current shoei task crashed couple years hard impact head care price consideration kiwi hear good cheap christ treat head carefully treated shoei tossing bruises mildly mildly paranoid helmet carried people mentioned consistently live planet charles span weeks heard elements separate threads conjoined time struck form chord hollow echoing gourd unknown person 
countersteering post organization ontario hydro research division lines article karr cornell david karr writes article mike sixsmith writes people technique countersteering intuitively time round corner steer tuchuses teaching countersteering beginner helps tuchus steerers guess steered bicycle hang countersteering normal riding countersteering swerves problem started normal riding decided turning speed ramps difficult knew works debate knew works swerves figured normal riding data point idea bring idea tuchus steer lesson learn shift gears worry proper handlebar technique countersteering fact experienced rider instructors claimed rider make bike turn whichever side wanted shifting weight operator turn opposite direction admit beginner passenger training lesson instructor back bike student ride student give instructor sack potatoes passenger speech instructor steer bike make general nuisance amusing watch happy happen bike jody levine jody levine ride toronto ontario canada 
question helmets organization ontario hydro research division lines article oconnor mark connor writes side fence owned bieffe road helmet minor fall visible damage shell helmet damage impact ratio scary bell moto impacts order bieffe impact frequently scratch seasons recommendation high quality gear ymmv helmetted nogin hits immoveabe object things dissipate energy immoveable object helmet shell helmet liner rider head rider assuming helmet head assembly takes impact shell cracks case liner dented head jiggled liner dented helmet toast shell cracked absorb energy form impact area head jiggled gear high quality bike jody levine jody levine ride toronto ontario canada 
hasty organization ontario hydro research division lines article speedy latech speedy mercer writes article jnmoyne jean noel moyne writes hold clarify stand thought driving influence stand driving intoxicated changed louisiana court case claiming stoned intoxicated liquor driving impaired covers bike jody levine jody levine ride toronto ontario canada 
wanted advice cylist organization ontario hydro research division lines article blaisec blaise cirelli writes thinking buying motorcycle people answer brother sister cousin motorcycle brain dead result accident question dangerous riding dangerous hard protection keeping trouble means knowing limits keeping machine good shape able predict make stupid move drivers make deal staying alive takes conscious effort bike jody levine jody levine ride toronto ontario canada 
insurance lotsa points nntp posting host ucalgary organization university calgary alberta lines article keithh keith hanlan writes article infante duke andrew infante writes cked insurance beemer vehicle cost bucks insure year sell bike start taking drinking priorities expect list lost friends driving drunks collective sympathy muted doubt approves drunk driving caught convicted punished lighten ridden driven home caught speak happen point answer original poster insure vehicle cheapest work suffer years rates drop drink drive friend killed drunk rear ended totaling bike bent frame failing kill mirror waited stoplight charles span weeks heard elements separate threads conjoined time struck form chord hollow echoing gourd unknown person 
dogs nntp posting host ucalgary organization university calgary alberta lines article charles rogers writes tactic depends effectiveness conformance psychological norm apply success work charlie manson stupid large irish setter taught yard apparently territory playing game game kill angry neighbor dispense terrible punishment weighs handle presume thumbs grapple tear head sheesh trained attack match human advantages charles span weeks heard elements separate threads conjoined time struck form chord hollow echoing gourd unknown person 
shaft drives wheelies news software vnews nntp posting host venus iucf indiana reply brown iucf indiana organization iucf distribution lines article stafford winona msus john stafford writes xlyx cornell wheelie motorcycle shaft drive rear wheel ground front hops figure john stafford wheelies shaft drive bike wheelie monster initial power burst twist clutch replace front fork seals times fairing heavy slamming stantion tubes time give fair warning trashed ring pinion gear final drive assume wheelies cheap kind slip device shaft prevent breaking save gears topic wheelies hurricane stoppy rear wheelie rear bike feet ground traffic light recommend activities anymore kids looked damn impressive tires ground pointed direction cheers 
insurance lotsa points nntp posting host corolla organization motorola cellular infrastructure group lines article jrlaf lmsc lockheed laferriere writes keith calm prohibitionist prick point andrew infante posting obvious solicit suggestions pertaining cost insurance care madd sadd simply drinking irrelavent driving drunk indefensable unforgivable large differnece attitude expect dead hope human dave svoboda svoboda rtsg tired concours mm beating dave ring ding woops learn chicago beth bruiser dixon 
motorcycles nntp posting host tigger tridom reply alanf tridom alan fleming organization tridom engineering lines article cjackson curtis jackson writes article gregh dcrt gregory humphreys writes work cover bike helmet ignorant numbers approximate doubt flamed helmet cheap jacket cheap gloves special motorcycle safety foundation riding courses georgia cheaper list good heavy boots work hiking combat similar peace alan alanf tridom kotbb gsxr 
strange experience organization university libraries library automatio carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew nice yesterday burgh rode bike gynecologist appointment exam noticed helmet sitting chair excited picked started sorts questions bikes dealers area apparently rode friends years recently ride caught needless talked bikes position chris hogan soft massacre suns evening sabres slain emily dickinson 
good reasons wave nntp posting host bmerh reply mbeaving organization ottawa software design lines article maven altcit eskimo norman hamer writes morning coffee thoughts waving bikers makes sense nice meet road good ride watching bikes wave means attention road cages habit watching carefully bikes cage good thing side cage numerous occasions slammed hand rolled window effort wave passing biker beav mike beavington bellnorthernresearch ottawa canada seca seca seca suzuki seca turbo sabre afford mbeaving parking spaces steenkin parking spaces 
harley davidson mailing list email taste sensation summary sort monthly automated announcement originator hogreq thinkage keywords digests lists harley davidson hogaholics supersedes organization thinkage expires lines interesting mailing list harley davidson bikes lifestyle politics members countries make subscribe sending request harley request uunet thinkage harley request request join signature giving full email address rely header field automated listserv facility expect instant gratification list digest format scheduled members harley list obtain back issues subject index listings pictures email archive server server access restricted list subscribers access real motorcycle related lists heard addresses current stroke strokes request dirt dirt request european listserv racing race request corp digest request corp short riding short request leather listserv climbs hills matchless honda built light brian wilson honda honda 
dogs originator heathman ncsa uiuc organization supercomp ncsa university illinois lines article parr ucalgary charles parr writes weighs handle presume thumbs grapple tear head sheesh trained attack match human advantages charles professionals train guard dogs polled gave chance survival tackling trained unarmed trained guard trifled untrained mutt story obmoto local chase time annoying finally started stopping time chase slink road couple weeks stopped chasing altogether chase cars bikes recognized mike heathman briar rose lilly research titan awaiting resurrection indianapolis 
parts info maicoletta scooter organization evans sutherland computer corporation lines nntp posting host slack posted friend tires dimensions brakes info relining existing shoes maicoletta owners contact call scott email fops thousand round lloyds building disclaimer writings employer pete ashdown pashdown salt lake city utah 
motorcycles nntp posting host organization workstations maryland university maryland college park lines motorcycle safety foundation riding courses georgia cheaper maryland learned ride years beginner riders experienced riders admittedly takes half time 
wrecked originator nntp posting host necs organization vanderbilt university school engineering nashville distribution lines wrecked interested motor bike email replies david braun vanderbilt phone voice mail home 
squid riceburner respect organization locus computing corporation angeles california lines article hartzler commodore jerry hartzler cats writes article mmanning michael manning writes duck squids wave return waves excuse ignoramus squids chris behanna squid dana myers views expressed mine necessarily dana reflect employer extra supports abolition tests 
helmet reply ryan cousineau questor ryan cousineau distribution world organization computer dynamics vancouver lines behanna chris behanna maven altcit eskimo norman hamer writes dropped shoei seat bike rock centerstand chipped heck paint stupid leave helmet seat fall boom helmets ground table chair shelf surface large support easily knocked good place helmet mirror typical standard bike fairly average mirrors screw handlebars helmet mirror fairly stable doubt mention trick smart goldwing gsxr bike fairing mounted mirrors surprised find helmet seat centerstanding bike leave helmet bike parked reason helmet surface start tilting jerking ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black inverness live ride kotrb king work squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau questor vancouver canada live quote pair nankai race replica leathers sort phrase typically japlish slmr drive agressively rash magnificently nankai leathers computer dynamics vancouver canada easy access rates friendly sysop 
spagthorpe viking reply ryan cousineau questor ryan cousineau distribution world organization computer dynamics vancouver lines viking sorenson ryan cousineau questor ryan cousineau writes riding hill leading house encountered liver white springer spaniel relation springer softail springer spagthorpe close relation spagthorpe viking missed article spagthorpe viking illuminated dragon head front fender style copied indian round side covers viking trick unit made back forties fifties spag make racing iteration springer boxer twin similar friz famous design overhead point valvetrain problem thing ground clearance whatsoever solution curve cylinder bores ground clearance substantially increased roughly idea bores gradually curved radius pistons loath make sharp angled turn middle stroke engine curved connecting rods accomodate stroke engine stuck revolutionary unique overhead system clever valve timing extrordinarily trick valve linkage single lobe required drive overhead valves revolutionary hydraulic valve actuation pressurized stream power waterwheel lobe spinning side effect required brutal engineering fixes engine pressure normal engine valve timing random resulting impressive start valve damage solution hand crank pressurized cases started beast remarkably similar system porsches pressurize system started cage electric pump wimps engine nasty propensity explosively firing valves pistons cylinder temporarily lose pressure corner solution higher pressures change gaskets seals regularly feasible racing engine single overhead lobe pushrod shaft chain towers hydraulic system head engine perfect point complexity piston note vertical degree angle ground drawing show curvature head bore curve start cylinder bore disappears diagram effect pointy heads pair gently pundits sensuously curved cylinders pair finned viking horns poking beneath tank moderately successful racer lightning fast worked plagued problems relating revolutionary technology eventually dumped spag finally realized racing spagthorpe made machines raced year privateers fate approximately vikings made possibly springers confusing issue spag staffer swears machine tooled production twenty thirty machines line modern record production viking survived motorcycle historians discount story ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black inverness live ride kotrb king work squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau questor vancouver canada live slmr sliding riding computer dynamics vancouver canada easy access rates friendly sysop 
krypto cables cobra locks organization institute cognitive studies berkeley lines distribution nntp posting host cogsci berkeley article behanna chris behanna writes money kryptonite cable lock thick steel cable steel rope shielded flexible covering protect bike finish barrel type locking mechanism adjustable source difficult pick locks cable squish flat bolt cutter jaws shear model krypto cable paycheck word warning kryptonite sells useless cable locks kryptonite obtained motorcycle migrated kryptonite locks bicycle bike shopping lock bicycle money choice kryptonite cable lock advantages lock front back wheels bicycle kryptonite cheesy lock advantages real steel chose kryptonite cable week back disgust exchanged cheesy lock krypto cable bought made kryptonite covered kryptonite guarantee approach kryptonite standards quality quality assurance generic made taiwan cable lock kryptonite latch engagement mechanism joke mine poor frustrating latch positively engage engage fall open unlock thirdly lock plastic door keyway serves sole purpose frustrating attempt insert dark doubts lock mechanism stand insert screwdriver torque attack fourthly cable opinion sufficient thickness deter theft piece crap bicycle cables suffer weakness strands time patient cables fingernail clippers aviation snips cable minute michael robinson uucp ucbvax cogsci robinson internet robinson berkeley 
johs organization british telecom newsreader lines nick pettefar npet wrote newbie bites dust learn newbie disappoint internet baghdad dads people made group interesting years longer time make random sweep week missed thread based previous postings apparently devoid humour sarcasm apparent capacity walk chew time assumed culpa nice afford overpay contractors read news pete young phone people prefer entertaining nonsense unexciting reality 
members read nntp posting host eclipse colorado organization university colorado boulder pizza disposal group lines article frog cmhnet jeff frog campbell writes article virginia dances federal rangers obmotowashing finger evil cotterpin lurking dark recesses back bike giving prized moto bath slice pinkie hand time time beemers wash work cuts untill tools altho scar faded exhaust piper change overheating engine watch idiot drivers pass mountains rider case sale case beer drain bolt decided seize clean area transmission bike found remove engine transmission clutch impossible clean wear located heads polished ported cheap 
question organization ohio state university dept computer info science lines distribution nntp posting host frigate ohio state stupid question motorcycle scene jonathan fields fields ohio state 
whassa deltabox nntp posting host moosehead organization design technology center santa clara lines article klinger umanitoba jorg klinger writes beleive called dentabox frame putty paint riding gsxr gutsy 
advice riding pillion summary advice wanted back moto keywords advice pillion nntp posting host organization earth lectronic link distribution lines advice ride pillion ninja time extended ride read farther block riding twisty fairly bumpy roads mines road hamilton loop areans person fairly small weight problem sort advice give hold grab rail back heard shoulder direction turning leans traditional signals slow faster hafta positive experience appreciated wert gene rwert ninja mustang turns highway rivers cross feel lost 
yamaha honda opinions nntp posting host reply nuet organization paging wireless data group lines market bike years main bikes yamaha virago honda shadow leaning yamaha shaft drive honda chain insurance costly thought staying power range advance opinions experiences 
opinion means nntp posting host bmerh reply mbeaving organization lines advice wuit whining flames brains spell hope student duke wasting tuition beav mike beavington sabre mbeaving employer idea talking 
opinion means nntp posting host corolla organization motorola cellular infrastructure group lines article infante duke andrew infante writes aptly road jerk wanna hear whining fine fuck noticed years learned cost people friends relatives involved drunk related accidents cousin recovering back happened stupid reminding time helping stuff opinion brought agree completely driving drunk stupid understand feel endemic society real problem motorcyclists worst vulnerable positions drunk driver alert readers remember year witnessed accident bloody front unable save life participants reported drunk driving motorcyclists prime injury death raises insurance rates forces stupidly restrictive laws turns public ride responsibly view drunk driving carry mandatory prison sentence traffic offenses public funds issue genuine safety issue bring subject moto admitting caught sympathy consequences expect people respond warm wishes dave svoboda svoboda rtsg tired concours mm beating dave ring ding woops learn chicago beth bruiser dixon 
racelist distribution organization gain technology palo alto lines nntp posting host prague gain fellow motorcycle roadracing enthusiasts background racing listserver boogie ebay discussions devoted racing racing related topics pretty broad interest group individuals variety backgrounds motojournalism roadracing perspective crew racers engineering motosports enthusiasts size list grows weekly hundred eighty members contributors zealand australia germany france england canada finland switzerland united states list formed october response perceived provide technical discussion riding edge performance roadracing improve signal noise ratio found motorcycles free join discussion necessarily limited rules list issues related racing motorcycles flame free daily distribution subscribe subscribe send request race request ebay traffic runs twenty messages depending topic send subscription request list directly contacted list administrator receive rsvp request respond request timely manner added list request generated order insure valid mail pathway site receipt rsvp added daily digest distribution initial request digest distribution receive list digest form single email message roadracing digest mailed interesting content frequency postings appears receive list digest send subscription request digest request ebay post list open forum post article list send race ebay depending mail site mail posted necessarily guarantee include metoo line mailrc file unix based mail systems bounces time inclination replace list distribution mechanism problem bounces returning poster message occasionally sites users line leaving place employment prematurely hardware problems receive bounces race list check headers carefully find bounce originated administer list contact administration race request ebay ignore bounce lists strokes strokes harleys harley request uunet watmath thinkage harley request european bikes majordomo rain body message write subscribe euro moto rich race list administrator rich ebay stefan fielding isaacs office science books design voice pager providing consulting writing services gain technology verity 
kreme organization florida state university computer science department reply groh distribution lines article cornell writes folks recently post kreme idea opinion experience stuff sporty pinhole leaks open back seam kreme year problems real careful cleaning part solution hell paint groh groh improved smaller 
riceburner respect nntp posting host umanitoba organization university manitoba winnipeg canada lines mmanning michael manning writes article craig saint craig writes keeper tude writes people wave return wave harley harley riders seldom wave back duck squids wave return waves hand bars fall jorg klinger gsxr arch services lost horizons umanitoba embalmer anonymous squidonk 
whassa deltabox nntp posting host umanitoba organization university manitoba winnipeg canada lines ramarren godfrey digiorgi writes deltabox frame relation frame hawk time parking dude nice bike deltabox frame beleive called dentabox frame putty paint jorg klinger gsxr arch services lost horizons umanitoba embalmer anonymous squidonk 
motorcycle detailing organization supercomp ncsa university illinois lines article cray tony jones writes letting motorcycle detailing side instrument panel scuffed previous owner dumped bike true turn signals scuffed areas black plastic recall reading plastic compound coat scuffed areas ending nice smooth shiny finish motorcyclist writes recomends rubberized undercoating welch vwelch uiuc ncsa networking development group subaru speak 
countersteering post organization microsystems lines distribution world reply egreen nntp posting host laser east article pstone philip stone writes explain fact pull horse reins left left confusing threads discussed countersteering horse basically ways steer horse plow rein neck rein plow reining steers keeping reins separate pull direction neck reining steers horse holding reins hand pulling horse neck direction training plow steering horse neck rein technique cross reins necks neck reining left rein pulls side neck left side horse plow reining days asked green ninjaite drinking night biker green showed picture grateful dead 
observation helmets organization microsystems lines distribution world reply egreen nntp posting host laser east article washington moseley washington steve moseley writes carry comply intelligent helmet laws residence fantasy world green ninjaite drinking night biker green showed picture grateful dead 
moving nntp posting host foxtrot iscp bellcore organization bellcore distribution lines bellcore access taking time scheduling military schools summer joint operations good blast reading responding commenting things posted final inferior err wrong news group back guess internet withdrawl starts knew inet existed years miss called morning military issue boots good luck happy tankers boots types ships navy submarines targets raise richard pierson vnet internet fist bellcore uunet uunet fist include opinions shop malls jeans jackets ammo store 
aerostitch piece organization encore computer corp distribution reply cornell message nntp posting host sysgem encore lines article cornell writes request opinions piece aerostitch piece aerostitch versatile protection advance nadine books written regard aerostich depends size shape upper lower body proportional aero dimensions mixing matching piece suit piece suit happy life quota scars crashing road concerned good protection difference protection piece suits negligible optional pads back protector make difference thing nice piece walk jacket detach stow pants thing note goldfine problems good women standard suits supposedly smaller women petite matter piece recommendation mods inches added pant legs find long suits long imagine short standard suits jonathan polito internet jpolito encore computer corp kildaire farm cary voice 
ggrr cages double parking motorc organization microsystems lines distribution world reply egreen nntp posting host laser east article jfriedl jeffrey friedl writes egreen green pixel cruncher writes apartment complex live thing driver window miss liability putting stickers moving chooses start drive unsafe condition liable effort made remove sticker pieces leaving firmly attached window dark sticker mangled ineffective attempt torn warned towed removed reasonable person arguably driven accident occured friend attorney trouble fixing blame apartment mangement practical matter conviction cost inconvenience defending suit considerable moral matter pretty fucking stupid thing paltry violation parking authorization sticker spot resident unassigned parking green ninjaite drinking night biker green showed picture grateful dead 
tracing license plates cagers organization microsystems lines distribution world reply egreen nntp posting host laser east article jamesf franklin writes file complaint chance traffic citation accusation committed crime motions trial innocent proven guilty cops accuse people committing crimes witnesses crime highway patrol explain situation give description license number specific violation witnessed prosecute search vehicle code section number handy fill ticket sign system ticket writes contested court prosecute word carry weight green ninjaite drinking night biker green showed picture grateful dead 
performance bike frenzy cadwell organization computer newspaper services howden lines nntp posting host cassia compnews newsreader frenzy cadwell park watch asked death 
live free quietly organization microsystems lines distribution world reply egreen nntp posting host laser east article tjohnson prime johnson writes able avoid accident revving engine stock harley pipes make noise draw someones attention horns hand throttle feet bike seconds long push horn button loose hand throttle thumb horn button pushing horn button simple move revving throttle requires engaging clutch accelerating complex manuver simple horn button push bright potential hazard ahead unique sound horn effective attracting attention cagers sound engine expect hear road case single anecdote constitutes sound safety procedure answer feet green ninjaite drinking night biker green showed picture grateful dead 
sale kawasaki michigan organization university michigan lines distribution world nntp posting host umich sale arbor michigan kawasaki miles cherry excellent condition contact brian days evenings weekends mail vaughan reply post 
experience nntp posting host bmdhh organization europe maidenhead newsreader version lines sebastian sears wibbled hand sweeper find cager calmly driving traffic lane crossing line swerving fully totally south bound lane lane direction brit nick english biker concise oxford left nick pettefar contractor incarcerated maidenhead united kingdom npet pres pbwasoh 
countersteering post nntp posting host bmdhh organization europe maidenhead newsreader version lines mike sixsmith wibbled interesting yawn stuff deleted formal training view absolutely essential able ride bike properly safely including countersteering theory newbie courses confusing people unnecessarily time important matters learn original point mike complete concordance mike silver starrider instructor learn countersteering year riding bikes told countersteering taught instruct affected friends pupils rode blissful ignorance nick biker concise oxford nick pettefar contractor incarcerated maidenhead united kingdom npet pres pbwasoh 
boom attack organization wollongong group palo alto lines article viking sorenson writes ryan cousineau questor ryan cousineau writes mere gravel road loose rocks concrete swinging beef jumped fence ditch rammed jump fence feet ahead good forty side damn literally chased nailed damage bent case guard severely annoyed rider casualties shotgun eating steak nope actively evading forget manueverable riding friend passing field goats noticed road slowed pass made dash friend missing tangling barb wire fence good samaritains generally nice turned untrangle goat barbed wire pulled tangled stopped bike goat vanished field guess jolly roger 
bike wanted advice purchase keywords purchase advice reply jburnside jamie burnside organization lincoln laboratory lines article jrwaters ncsu jack rogers waters writes reletively reader impressed usefull info newsgroup number busy riding count thought mailx hahahha jburnside waiting press return gals chose words carefully straight holler bohica jamie burnside custom jburnside sold sale 
nti freeze nntp posting host foxtrot iscp bellcore organization bellcore distribution lines anti freeze wrong issue street rodder pile february issue page advirtisement anti freeze makes great party mixer synthetic company reputation developing overkill priducts protect extend life mechinical things latest development propylene glycol finest radiator coolant miles testing find boiling point degrees higher conventional coolants helps elminate detonation pinging smaller radiators race cars damage aluminum blocks heads environmentally safe good stuff baker precision products dept gundry long beach endorse unendorse product copied advert blurb info ymmv types ships navy submarines targets raise richard pierson vnet internet fist bellcore uunet uunet fist include opinions shop malls jeans jackets ammo store 
countersteering post organization microsystems lines distribution world reply egreen nntp posting host laser east article mike sixsmith writes adhesion tyre road suspension geometry ground clearance motorcycle dictate quickly swerve avoid obstacles knowledge physics rider ears suggesting countersteering knowledge enables corner faster competently manage riders identical machines faster improve technique idea trial error effective methodology understanding technique steering motorcycle improve technique hold applies human endeavor interesting knowledge claim essential bikers corner faster result absurd understanding physics traction absurd suggesting form traction management policy understanding factors increase decrease traction braking highly biker develop maximum swerving ability knowledge turning techniques riding life problem emergency situation definately placing disadvantage including countersteering theory newbie courses confusing people unnecessarily time important matters learn disagree existance immense success riding courses teach technique concept taught manner confusing detracts aspects original point ensuing discussion strayed point claim knowledge steering technique irrelevant rider ability find assertion ludicrous green ninjaite drinking night biker green showed picture grateful dead 
battery organization lines article vech msstate craig vechorik writes remember correctly reason expensive worthless short lived varda batteries owns controling interest battery manufacturer wrong battery problems numerous people original battery year beemers original battery year fine mine lasted years replacement battery disaster mechanic comp told warantee replace evil batteries customer problems bring back batteries strong warantee period batch replaced guessed switched battery cold cranking amps total juice switched yuasa cold cranking amps cost fewer dollars neil kirby cbusa bell labs columbus speak lawyers sense 
power ignition super carb posted internews organization heaven lines bike warranty finally replaced stock items softail custom title installation pretty easy cases fairly mechanical chemist type dude discovered limitations tool collection buying making requisite tools ignitions power single fire ignition easy install read wiring diagram carefully setting static timing piece cake installed found easier starting smoother idle power satisfying bass note exhaust register lovely whompa whompa whompa idle folks ignitions great answering dumb questions phone helpful bunch great product super carb installation easy hacked allen wrench small anough reach intake manifold bolts tunes dream stock carb adjustable lean gasping spluttering backfiring intake manifold super terrific hesitation gear plugs lovely color rejet factory settings grizzled veteran wrenchers bike pieces weekend began worried back runs dream feeling pretty happy install pipes pass noise gestapo test russ hughes fxstc love yeah feeling motorcycle sonny barger 
members read nntp posting host msstate organization mississippi state university lines posts bias articles bikes versis boxers date jeezz lighten wrote slash blues humor lacking owners news stuff rode rode body sense humor people mine dunno craig vechorik ambassador vote throwing trash 
countersteering post organization dept university texas austin lines distribution world nntp posting host cash utexas article egreen writes horse neck direction training plow steering horse neck rein technique cross reins necks neck reining left rein green ninjaite drinking night biker desire stay farming ranching equipment hate jump thread hate kind mutant horse entity ride countersteering work normal garden variety necked horse obmoto flipping march issue rider small pseudo book hand signals motorcycling mentioned signal passenger fire body title author book copy understood implying grown sociable ride book sounded cute tommy mcguire mcguire utexas mcguire append disclaimer outgoing public information identifying personal independent 
recommendation front tire organization amherst college newsreader version lines folks pair dunlop sportmax radials sticky slides talk metzelers wondering lazer comp radial metzeler rear hard sport touring choices stack nathaniel 
ducati opinions wanted organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply albion bowers nntp posting host previous article bgardner blaine gardner article albion bowers writes previous article markb novell burnham ducati slow sell powerful yeah quarter slug time power peak ride passing judgement maximum acceleration guess touch ducati twin desmo half twin balance weight cylinder specific quater small twin pantah based twin pantah creditable modern carbs high latest crop japanese hard remember goof clobber handily roll technology stands bowers alfa ducati hobie kottke blad iaido nasa goodness sakes play guitar mary chapin carpenter 
live free quietly organization dept university texas austin lines distribution world nntp posting host cash utexas article egreen writes article tjohnson prime johnson writes horns hand throttle feet bike seconds long push horn button answer feet green ninjaite drinking night biker feet edgetacalculator tommy mcguire mcguire utexas mcguire append disclaimer outgoing public information identifying personal independent 
changing sprocket ratios honda organization cellar public access system lines cbrooks clayton brooks writes honda gurus replace front sprocket honda slightly larger preferable reducing size rear wanting ride relaxed contact chaparell cycle supply sprocket cheap cheaper average dealership sprockets hard find accessories craig intecptor pilot craig institute kotk keeper keepers bauds fuschal promised land faith wear hats great majesty made cardboard humourous arrows dwarf 
boom attack nntp posting host ursa organization calvin college lines ryan cousineau questor ryan cousineau writes blind driveway matter driveways long eagerly await comment driveway blue turbo utilizes ground running merging technique worry week entering sand gravel covered intersection country caught unkosher corner disgusting sensation great unidentified evil intimately acquaint kind knowing darkening shadow possibly remotely good boeing behaving gravitationally speaking brick negotiating intersection reminded daytona beach sans babes manage glance impending destiny lucifer hell secret blend canine doberman rottweiler moved grace doberman hulk jowels rottweiler creature definite wrong picture mirrors fuzzy mistaking fangs saliva trail shorten verbose tale burly gaurdian angels performed call duty carried bike sand trap honestlyhave idea left minion beelzebub face suspiciously resembles metzler tread blood rats moral bikers allowed carry handguns eric sundheim grandrapids hondo 
european insurance nntp posting host pcdehp organization calvin college lines marc lewis kinds people world olivetti north america divide world marcl olivetti kinds things thought kinds people world kinds people kinds people world math obmoto michigan weather forecast saturday high chance snow flurries showers enjoy weather ride phil haan honda nature executive america rely people donald fehr executive director major league baseball players association 
route suggestions organization microsystems lines distribution reply central nntp posting host webrider central able make joust summer related time conflict plan rider rally knoxville leaving chicago generally plan indiana illinois border kentucky tennessee interested hearing suggestions roads routes areas ride knoxville leave early arrive knoxville leaves pretty good stretch time explore partner ride heading east afterward visit family mind company ride rally depending weather plan motelling tenting trip rally heading blue ridge parkway jogging west marlington petersburg point route presently undetermined pennsylvania york back chicago suggestions areas great interest ideas enjoy steve bunis microsystems itasca april 
helmet organization chemistry dept harvard university lines distribution world nntp posting host laura harvard reply ryan cousineau questor message ryan cousineau questor ryan cousineau stupid leave helmet seat fall boom ryan good place helmet mirror advice helmets major impact absorbing layers hard outer shell closed cell foam impact layer helmets lose protective properties liner compacts time long outer shell damaged delaminates hurt tested helmets years landmark study estimated helmet lose effectiveness liner compression video produced discusses phenomenon detail puncture compression type caused mirrors sissy bars sharp objects worst offender comfort liner unaffected dents holes foam degrade effectiveness helmet habit parking mirrors suggest comfort liner condition foam significantly damaged missing replace helmet jerry lotto msfci hogssc bcso chemistry dept harvard univ harley ride 
wanted advice cylist organization software systems lines article blaisec blaise cirelli writes question dangerous riding tough question dangerous driving dangerous apply modicum intelligence activity basically stupidity hurt killed faster motorcycle care unreasonably dangerous buying good protective clothing helpful wrong severely injured thing driver training started foot teach control vehicle safe riding practices protective gear minimum good helmet pair leather gloves good sturdy piece footgear helpful leather hiking boots pair army boots similar works fine purpose long make laces stay tied leather jacket leather pants chaps nice expensive items pants people good pair jeans reasonable preferably recent fairly heavy weight similarly jacket good jean jacket reasonable compromise people tend leather jackets pants thing drop garage sales hand leather jacket fairly thick leather items stupid ride drinking drink noticeably affect judgement balance ride snow conditions black careful riding rain slow corners gingerly brake early gently ride sick tired taking medication drowsiness warnings average shape care question bike recommend time rider race ride cross country ride dirt trails drive back roads occasional rides city streets freeways maximum spend bike suggest late japanese sized standard range reasonable shorter lighter average bike models suzuki series generally inline bikes generally dependable tendency weakness charging system stator regulator rectifier problems bike server honda nighthawk series series honda series standard motorcycles fairly dependable kawasaki yamaha similar bikes late models able bike leaving money protective clothing insurance licensing costs hope helps david dagibbs 
advice riding pillion reply rwert message organization applied research office nasa ames research center reply raible nasa distribution lines article rwert wert writes advice ride pillion ninja time extended ride read farther block riding twisty fairly bumpy roads mines road hamilton loop areans idea start mellower head road requires full concentration sort thing passenger time decide riding longer challenging hard core road mines hamilton case moral responsibility make proper gear fits sport riding eric 
motorcycles organization university pennsylvania language analysis center lines nntp posting host upenn article infante duke andrew infante writes curtis jackson pens shyah costs izzat deal free philadelphia give ambidextrous 
squid riceburner respect organization systems laboratory lines article dana locus dana myers writes article hartzler commodore jerry hartzler cats writes article mmanning michael manning writes duck squids wave return waves excuse ignoramus squids chris behanna squid dana long time read afraid squid rating slightly ninja hard restrain bodywork damned expensive knock knock quiet chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer agree raised pack wild corn dogs 
hasty nntp posting host corolla organization motorola cellular infrastructure group lines article speedy latech speedy mercer writes changed louisiana court case claiming stoned intoxicated liquor geez happened ticket driving slow technician speed student breath dave svoboda svoboda rtsg tired concours mm beating dave ring ding woops learn chicago beth bruiser dixon 
ride keywords heavy lines sixteen days test driving honda finally saturday rain fact cleared warm sunny wind died weeks long cool ride hawk cycles test ride sold delivered demo fifteen hours arrived demo bike locked showroom surrounded bikes move today bikes dirt bikes street bikes cars tent full outlandishly touring bikes trailers squeezed parking sort bike convention shelly dave running time classroom back usuall free cookout food cycles weekend summer hmm moto party minutes cheif sales slime minutes reading signing long disclosure libility pray form helped push mess parking controls tank hawk saddlebag wife left saddlebag nice helped push thought move edge road bikes people rode bicycle heavy thought wrong feet foot heavy mind quickly cindy back back hard seat times large hawk seat bike control idling side road gear weight dissappear bike miles odometer slippery tires pads bite disks things smooth cycles section folks ride miles north computer concentration miles north splits lighly travelled lane limited access highway heavily forested sections hamilton manchester newbury gloucester meets road winds miles inland andover england spots perfect slow sport touring sections cindy difficulty speed gear gear purring gear thing grunt hawk lane experience heft required move thing responds wallowing complaint fairing fairly quiet helmet buffeting trivial gear passing effortless smooth smooth smooth sound reminds pleasant bars transmitting endless buzz jump caused impressed brakes hill reversing camber reversing radius decreasing radius turn real squeeze needed front binder section tight urban works section shows weight clam shack featured spencer hire place find spencer house miles putting traffic turned back half onramp yanked cindy wrist singal hold tight head check left time find redline gear good shove fourth sees speed short shift cops light traffic cross zone bike miles high effort lane wide sweeping turns time wick buffeting threating pull seat stayed comfortable wind steering looked find touring beverly fast posted limit mile sign rolled throttle coasted wanted adjust coming slowness good idea manhole sized patches sand exit ramp back slow heavy behavior cycles mile cars stacked managed thread cars edge concrete front heavy effort cindy thing center stand side stand side minute demo opinion heavy diet smooth comfortable notices speed list bike frank evan perdicaro xyvision color systems legalize guns drugs cash today edgewater drive inhouse frank wakefield outhouse frank 
battery charger keywords battery charger organization university pennsylvania language analysis center lines nntp posting host upenn noticed halogen table lamp runs volts thinngy plugs wall volts question trickle charge battery rating battery factory intalled sanjay give ambidextrous 
question organization systems laboratory distribution lines article fields ohio state jonathan david fields writes stupid question motorcycle scene setup lookit site arnie skurow chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer agree raised pack wild corn dogs 
advice riding pillion keywords advice pillion organization systems laboratory distribution lines article rwert wert writes advice ride pillion ninja time extended ride read farther block riding twisty fairly bumpy roads mines road hamilton loop areans sonuvabitch great weather great roads unlike rest putzes nyah nyah nyah severely humor impaired person problem sort advice give hold grab rail back heard shoulder direction turning leans traditional signals slow faster hafta notice weight piece advice abrupt throttle wheelies accelerate slowly usual consciously worry spitting back pillion guarantee bike ripping whack open lean angles pretty tame time learn body english learn idea turn learn idea shit crash work cross purposes leaned work aggressive riding time important thing hand tank brake save severely crushed cookies chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer agree raised pack wild corn dogs 
owners tankbag suggestions wanted nntp posting host organization evans sutherland computer corporation lines article martenm ncsu mark marten writes tank wondered follow owners make suggestions worked file apologize gladly accept flames blown large flat tank imagine work personally happy eclipse standard tank blaine gardner evans sutherland bgardner 
opinions wanted nntp posting host amhux amherst organization amherst college newsreader version lines size dirtbikes ride long able slip bike telling people older cheaper bike ride interceptor nathaniel 
maxima chain nntp posting host amhux amherst organization amherst college newsreader version lines dietrich wrote parr ucalgary charles parr writes bought miracle spooge chain lubed wheel clean good glad hear studying life complete shaft drive weenies comeback discuss shaft effect weenie pithy afraid work bike stuff deleted damn shaft effect concours pphhtt pretty funny call shaft effect nathaniel damn shaft effect flame bait 
shaft drives wheelies lotto harvard jerry lotto distribution organization chemistry dept harvard university nntp posting host laura harvard reply xlyx cornell message lines xlyx cornell mike wheelie motorcycle shaft drive fact wheelie shaft drive motorcycle moving countersteering jerry lotto msfci hogssc bcso chemistry dept harvard univ harley ride 
inverted fork needed organization hewlett packard fort collins lines motorcycles matthew mark mueller writes left side inverted fork track practice nelson ledges weekend parts store occurred visit dealer fork bucks chances happening part laying working condition sheesh side inverted fork converted floor lamp jeff deeney nctr shamu cohvco llamaha families torn simple wild dogs jack handey 
bike honda ascot organization compuserve incorporated lines folks buying bike honda ascot miles sound reasonable choice special nathan 
police ossifers read stuff organization nihon microsystems atsugi technical centre japan lines nntp posting host japan keywords bear laferriere writes wondering officers read questions pertaining motorcycles cops happened charlie lear connections cyberspace mister wanna stateside gotta john gaijin microsystems atsugi japan 
buying advice needed reply deeds uucp dean deeds organization hughes aircraft segundo lines article dale james writes great bike damn careful motorcycle deleta bike light size pounds heavy beginner bike heavy beginner bike pounds adman dream full tank area depending year problem physically managing seat roughly akin plastic coated firm painful depending time saddle versions seat bike suffers infamous suzuki regulator problem avoided forking roughly suzuki part kludging honda regulator rectifier units junkyards charging system consistently overcharges battery refill weekly battery access gained removing seat tank airbox regulator lasted miles overcharge battery wiring connectors charging path toasty tending melt insulation suspect underspecified removed cool battery access earlier bikes require tank removal learn drill pretty straightforward replacement parts suzuki parts outrageously expensive bought replacement parts brands motorcycles offer grain salt dale assessment good luck careful dale sentiments argue dean deeds deeds edsg 
newbie organization nasa science internet project office lines article writes newbie owned motorcycle makes spring matt purpose article read days curt howland howland nasa sabre meddle afairs wizards makes soggy hard light 
advice riding pillion keywords advice pillion nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia sebastian sears organization columbia university distribution lines article rwert wert writes person problem sort advice give hold grab rail back heard shoulder direction turning leans traditional signals slow faster hafta passengers shift weight turns find weight shift sudden unnerving thing comfortable decide shoulder recommend shift weight turn violent make passenger wears good gear choose ride helmet lacking safety gear depends squidly feel passengers handle hurt gloves jacket jeans heavy boots helmet fits positive experience appreciated real easy amazing solid grip handle bars passenger make feel slide back snappy turns sickening lurches general feels controlled smooth passenger stand back brother bike ride aggressively ride good pilot feels unsteady passenger show showing time wanna drink someday temple bass sears columbia stanley yamaha toyota runner 
confessional nntp posting host bmerh reply mbeaving organization bell northern research ottawa canada lines rational everytime uncontrollable hate motorcycles thought phase happen gazing customs time sadistically pictured hurled large precipice picture swarm german tourists cheering taking holiday snaps figure part everytime read spoked wheel shudder feel pity poor soul suffered imagine owner scrapping living discarded maytag refridgerator tucked hoping deliverance past loathed milwaukee machine begin understand preaching hope beav mike beavington sabre mbeaving employer idea talking 
tape daytona organization pages software lines article buffalo mark olszowy writes mentioned repost showing daytona sunday april miss hell finish looked manage find listings taped persuaded lend watch greatful wright hell pages software outa mouth 
women jackets daemon child organization pages software distribution lines article bowmanj jerry bowman writes article bethd beth dixon writes article jhensley john hensley writes beth dixon bethd wrote doesn back carrying lipstick jacket pocket life hard wife jacket styles shoulders arms tight chest suggestions assuming pilot addition handy storage facilities pretty decent company makes reasonable line women motorcycling stuff importantly boulder denver shop bothers carrying article motorcycling couple months back specifically women attire riding mention makes stuff specific women dimensions works bates make custom jackets leathers reasonable charge wright hell pages software outa mouth 
wanted advice cylist organization apple computer cupertino california lines nntp posting host apple blaisec blaise cirelli writes question dangerous riding sorta question bike recommend time rider honda hawk ymmv paul thompson apple computer 
opinion means organization north carolina state university project lines article svoboda david svoboda writes article infante duke andrew infante writes aptly road jerk wanna hear whining fine fuck noticed years learned cost people friends relatives involved drunk related accidents cousin recovering back happened stupid reminding time helping stuff opinion brought agree completely driving drunk stupid understand feel endemic society real problem motorcyclists worst vulnerable positions drunk driver alert readers remember year witnessed accident bloody front unable save life participants reported drunk driving motorcyclists prime injury death raises insurance rates forces stupidly restrictive laws turns public ride responsibly view drunk driving carry mandatory prison sentence traffic offenses public funds issue genuine safety issue bring subject moto admitting caught sympathy consequences expect people respond warm wishes dave svoboda svoboda rtsg tired beav lighten beav agree reasonable laws strict enforcement tough sentences andrew post sympathy consequences posted advice extremely high quote post valid found insurance noted predicament defend drunk driving renounced drunk driving repeat offenders worry make person longer part problem outcast paid debt society step high horse irresponsible past guilty type hostility rapists feel punishment severe true case stinkin gubment change reasonable stiff penalty fewer people rate andrew paid debt defined debt greater mandates representatives jack waters fear thief night afternoon asleep worry 
extraordinary footpeg engineering nntp posting host seahunt imat organization seahunt francisco lines article ranck ranck writes unsw wrote guess making left turn correct edge stud contacting road caused turn unthread making turn tightened stud bzzt playing making turn sucker couple feet ground michael michael nelson internet nelson imat 
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bikes short nntp posting host reply nuet organization paging wireless data group lines older bikes yamaha virago spec seat height honda shadow 
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wanted advice cylist ditto organization university virginia lines article blaisec blaise cirelli writes thinking bike owner year bike experience figure decent bike thing grad school permits ride advice bike models years loud roaring thing sounds monster quit whirring newer engines liking apprec advice 
countersteering post organization cafe edge universe lines mike sixsmith writes courses teach technique successful miss poor sods missing guess ignorance bliss mike bill bill leavitt white lightning suzibago leavitt honda lone star sick leave icoa impala convertible incredible hulk hmm thought bore stroke technique michael bain 
story keywords party nntp posting host ursa organization calvin college lines lynn lynn hall writes allowed open containers street signs bars yeah cops hand couple thousand bikers block main street citing street filled empty cans feet deep gutter crowd raisin hell tittie shows party stereotype 
front traffic jerks organization comp dept strathclyde univ glasgow scotland lines nntp posting host fleming strath mere female found offensive line asshole drivers found subtle nastly oops nasty back cuts wait till pulled past gently lean bend aerial time eventually snapped base undetected bummer replace gillian 
countersteering post organization cafe edge universe lines mike sixsmith writes people technique countersteering intuitively time round corner karr cornell david karr writes karr remember corners karr countersteering fact experienced rider instructors karr claimed rider make bike karr turn whichever side wanted shifting weight karr operator turn opposite karr direction admit experienced back young foolish bike track extremely true highway throttle tension screw hold steady slide back seat lean backrest riding hands needed turn shift weight turn behold bike turn sans touching bars granted turn fast proves turn bike countersteering terms input countersteering people lean input giving totally unconscious sufficient road normal circumstances possibly years stretch argue preferable properly knowing manipulate turn call sixsmith bill bill leavitt white lightning suzibago leavitt honda lone star sick leave icoa impala convertible incredible hulk hmm thought bore stroke technique michael bain 
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advice riding pillion distribution organization stanford center space science astrophysics lines nntp posting host daedalus stanford reply raible nasa message article rwert wert writes advice ride pillion ninja time extended ride read farther block riding twisty fairly bumpy roads mines road hamilton loop areans communication work system slow holler back reasonable speeds muffled magna hear communicate balance passengers real pain react steering people catch immediately lean completely skittish leaning thing bodies perpendicular horizon pain turning manageable worst passengers stay perpendicular horizon remember middle turn whip correct position screws line picked personal checklist things passengers attire helmet long pants boots heavy shoes jacket feet pegs times people dismount traffic pulling parking space muffler nuff good traction fall time riders surprised tightly turn turn dynamics feel sitting upright straight trust butt eyes confused close eyes couple turns feel tight sudden moves shift weight desired gradual compensate faceplate open close desired trust essential trust driver thing driven miles thing operate enjoy ride important stress time passwngers watch speedo hawk drove beach whever topped holler slow scared humored simply covered speedometer spare piece duct tape stuck cluster problem solved watched scenery instruments time based experience driving lincoln continental unwilling trust ability choose safe speed bike point controls engine transmission brakes tires discuss motorcycle physics timers helps calm nerves bike chance warm watch gravel hamilton road lots mudslides rain blind corners nicely covered carpet round invisible stones build trust slide blind corner trip good luck drink soap dilute dilute 
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opinion means nntp posting host bmerh reply mbeaving organization ottawa software design lines article infante duke andrew infante writes aptly road jerk wanna hear whining fine fuck attitude problem muttonhead comments sensitivity despise people belittle drinking driving girlfriend killed asshole back learn verbal abuse flames brains stay newsgroup beav mike beavington bellnorthernresearch ottawa canada seca seca seca suzuki seca turbo sabre afford mbeaving company idea talking 
bike organization freshman mechanical engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew motorcycle enthusiast motorcycle bluntly sucks advice good starter bike thing make bike good buying time question specifically interested racing bikes sound kind crazy bike responsible fast learner love give advice search including places specific bikes sell jamie belliveau 
bike organization freshman mechanical engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew motorcycle enthusiast motorcycle bluntly sucks advice good starter bike thing make bike good buying time question specifically interested racing bikes sound kind crazy bike responsible fast learner love give advice search including places specific bikes sell jamie belliveau 
comments honda interceptor organization organization mass confusion lines jearls jeffrey david earls writes article howp writes purchase honda interceptor mileage bike picture trader magazine good shape enlighten good purchase hate jump type thread pass heavy carries lots expensive parts friends refer ground magnets jeff earls jearls kottg kotspt wmtc millennium falcon squid factor thumpy button chewie solo nothin sweeper idaho rockies dean woodward step world dean rain socio psychotic state bliss virago guns roses world 
dogs organization adobe systems incorporated mountain view lines article parr ucalgary charles parr writes sheesh trained attack match human advantages agree grab chin careful hands twisting head tailwag death occasion unexpectedly jumped german shepherd grabbed upper hand lower holding mouth open strong clamp macho shit fact riding bike arrowing intercept unwise stop deal simple fact leathers working jeans dismount deal properly means kick attention stop stay kick ride victory drove territory qualified victory victory kick stop dogs shit back established dominance bother llamas story stop llama insist ride lucky barf bike steal curtis jackson cjackson adobe hawk maxim kotb black studley doright collie golden george justification taking individuals freedom guise public safety thomas jefferson 
question helmets organization university maryland college park lines distribution world nntp posting host coffee originator oconnor side fence owned bieffe road helmet minor fall visible damage shell helmet damage impact ratio scary bell moto impacts order bieffe impact frequently scratch seasons recommendation high quality gear ymmv mark 
women jackets daemon child nntp posting host fred colorado organization university colorado boulder distribution lines article bethd beth dixon writes article jhensley john hensley writes beth dixon bethd wrote doesn back carrying lipstick jacket pocket life hard wife jacket styles shoulders arms tight chest suggestions assuming pilot addition handy storage facilities pretty decent company makes reasonable line women motorcycling stuff importantly boulder denver shop bothers carrying lucky found jacket fits makes pilot jackets mine similar style made leather jose bought made finding decent womens motorcycling gear easy stuff fringed made fashion leather made shop area women rider friendly places francisco jose area recommend buying clothing mail order hard bates custom makes leathers call cost estimate type jacket wife interested large manufacturers sell women lines clothing decent quality iffy noemi lisa sieverts talking starting business sort thing finally decided beth johns collins carry honest womens garb beth true beth dixon bethd yamaha excitable yamaha spike garage fssnoc ducati ducati monza restoration project kqspt handle side deranged 
handling request reply randy organization megatek corporation diego california lines article bradw brad warkentin writes fast quickly lastest rumor rear wheel handles dream straight line upset review cycle world cornering fast straight line performance handling present liter sport bikes horsepower faster mile times corner handling good standards early compareable whats state days true randy davis email randy pilot uunet ucsd megatek randy eleven nigel tufnel spinal 
solar battery chargers good nntp posting host photon magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article robert stanf robert kennedy writes solar battery boosters guarantee hand heard people success communicate directly person experience occasional charging long term leave weeks robert kennedy cheap solar charger purchased mail order catalog year battery oldsmobile summer riding bike driving knowing selling year purchased charger thing worked battery held charge energetically started times weeks sitting eventually purchase battery winter strong angle paid charger powerful expensive purchased cheapest find bike charger plugged time bike garaged arnie skurow 
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ggrr cages double parking motorc news software vishnepolsky rogers lines nntp posting host isma demon reply sdun demon stephen dunne organization demon internet services egreen green pixel cruncher writes article geake writes apartment complex live thing driver window miss friend damned wrecked home night vision blocked sticker suggested manager enormous liability careful putting stickers cages windows hmm lddc security guards docklands place parking stickers drivers side windows reflection accident suppose people litigious states stephen stephen dunne sdun demon international securities market association speak voice public affiliated demon site 
boom attack organization louisiana tech university lines nntp posting host engr latech article csundh calvin charles sundheim writes moral bikers allowed carry handguns louisiana legal carry concealed weapons bike technician speed student stolen taglines real declared integer deleted files black holes dividing world minutes earth full delete 
neck reining countersteering post organization microbial pathogenesis motorcycle maintenance lines distribution world nntp posting host microb biostat washington article egreen green pixel cruncher writes basically ways steer horse plow rein neck rein plow reining steers keeping reins separate pull direction neck reining steers horse holding reins hand pulling horse neck direction training plow steering horse neck rein technique cross reins necks neck reining left rein pulls side neck left side horse plow reining days learned riding bareback palm reign pushing side horse neck palm turn left countersteering pretty easy transition motorcycles break habit kicking rear fender heels faster steve steve moseley moseley washington microbiology phone university washington seattle 
changing sprocket ratios honda organization mindcraft lines article cbrooks clayton brooks writes honda gurus replace front sprocket honda slightly larger preferable reducing size rear twin steel guard sprocket broken chain punching hole engine cases needed room bigger sprocket inclined teeth rear ratio change adding front raise gear ratio impair bike rideability gears gear adequate response speed honda widest power bands chuck karish karish karish stanford 
bike sold miles organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply albion bowers nntp posting host previous article essbaum vnet alexander essbaum article kens snyder writes bikes sold long distances love hear bought jose miles odometer mark andy living pittsburgh bought dude massachusetts connecticut sold bike young lady lived salt lake city live lost angeles turned mutual aquaintances ucla bowers alfa ducati hobie kottke blad iaido nasa goodness sakes play guitar mary chapin carpenter 
protective gear organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host thor cwru boots spots cars slippery parking bikes good boots squid 
changing sprocket ratios honda stafford winona msus john stafford distribution world organization winona state university nntp posting host stafford winona msus lines article craig saint craig wrote contact chaparell cycle supply sprockets hard find accessories sprockets hard find john stafford minnesota state university winona standard disclaimers apply 
members read lines sender reply harmons harmon sommer distribution organization organization keywords owner thinking signing beginning suspiciously throwing money rathole current membership lapse renewal case years hints organization business long preferably longer worth part activist campaign insurance program universal driver rider training licensing pick topic dear heart organization barnacles move ships 
countersteering post lines sender reply harmons harmon sommer distribution organization organization keywords explain fact pull horse reins left left confusing threads taught neck rein left rein brought bear left side horse neck equestrian counter steering 
sale nntp posting host sunsol semi harris organization harris semiconductor melbourne keywords sale lines selling sportster make room flhtcu scoot excellent condition wrecked abused garaged sportster standard blue factory conversion miles branch ported polished valve heads screamin eagle carb screamin eagle adjustable pushrods harley performance mufflers tachometer metzeler tires front rear progressive front fork springs harley king queen seat sissy chromed ring chain fork brace cooler thermostat hard battery bike cover price phone melbourne florida 
insurance lotsa points organization duke university durham lines nntp posting host north acpub duke cked insurance beemer vehicle cost bucks insure year sell bike return number andy infante listen fact remains thing joan sutherland opinions dammit 
countersteering post organization ontario hydro research division lines article egreen writes article hydro jlevine hydro jody levine writes article egreen writes single track snow vehicles front skis snow skis attached skiers legs deform surface snow creating bank skates alter phase carve tracks bugger motorcycles apparent similarity handling characteristics analagous underlying physics motorcycle handling characteristics attempt tack agreement explanations handlebars lean moving motorcycle question effect dominant idea design experiment seaprate characteristics effect produces similar result bikes familiar sparked controversy gyroscopic precession examine contact patch effect allowing contact patches transmit force wheels steering mechanism remain attached vehicle weight bike suspension wheels transmit forces bike similar bikes experiment ride bike road moving wheels spinning change surfaces transmit forces contact patches steering manoeuvre bike leans easy fall good idea feels contact patches turn contact patch forces altogether find frictionless surface wheels locked rotation contact patch effect fairly simple find vehicle magnitude direction cantact patch forces motorcycle transmits vehicle rotating wheels contact patch forces irrelevant contact patches straight sideways skis skates fine snow skate bikes suzuki wetbike arranged motorcycle water skis wheels propellor front rear coast effect admit hand info love review local cycle bike shop sells machine handles motorcycle countersteer turn contact patches transmit similar forces bike similar suspension arrangement gyroscopes countersteering conclusion gyroscopes countersteer vehicles motorcycle contact patch arrangements real effect gyroscopes observations handlebar angle force relate steering general dominant factor countersteering conclusion accept motorcycle behaviour consistent prove ahead bike jody levine jody levine ride toronto ontario canada 
observation helmets organization ontario hydro research division distribution lines article behanna chris behanna writes stupid leave helmet seat fall boom true ground free spooge directly head kind fall helmet designed protect helmet energy head lump inside compress liner shell drop seat crack shell doubt send inspected bike jody levine jody levine ride toronto ontario canada 
front traffic jerks organization connemara computing people lines nntp posting host chtm eece mailer mail user shell nielsmm status article nielsmm niels mikkel michelsen writes raining cats dogs therefor speed limit bike driving meters meters light calmly bike walked back rolled window told total idiot reason thing communicate anger jerks educate improve manners traffic tail heavy traffic slow buffer zone front balance minimal buffer find jerk notice traffic moving faster lanes switch pass fine jerk ahead front splitting attention ahead mirrors traffic heavy jerk pass pull street number ignoring jerk jerk tail sounds wimpy denizenly pessimistic psych types passive aggressive prefer adrenaline jollies riding yelling jerks ride improve yelling jerk ruin ride anger worst case yelling jerk ruin life tiny jerk cage armed cage bike hand subtly arranging vehicle legally cross intersections leaving jerk waiting cross traffic tail crossing illegally front waiting police choices mileage vary denis mckeon galway eece 
members read organization cornell univ dept ithaca distribution lines article harmons harmon sommer writes owner thinking signing current membership lapse renewal hints organization business long activist campaign insurance program universal driver rider training licensing pick topic dear heart organization barnacles move ships referring quoted individuals barnacles send crew ship moving organization easy organization largely determined president directors makes important vote election officers strike bmwmoa politically active state national arenas infighting organizations change join groups politics incidentally political hazards motorcycle riders moment compare problems groups owners target pistol shooting northeast california worry wearing helmet thread moto eventually guns david karr karr cornell 
women motorcycle helmet organization adobe systems incorporated distribution lines motorcycle helmet interested full face shield necessarily helmet piece chin email directly janice kendall kendall decwrl adobe kendall onward willie 
handling request organization tektronix colorado data systems englewood lines article writes ican handson experience riding yamaha kindly comment handling cycle world magazine motorcycle motor things short short chassis loves straight lines aimed nicely stable overfond corners forced protests shaking head chattering front tire grinding footpegs generally making preference straight pavement bumps fork soft bottomed hard braking shocks work short travel shaft drive swingarm firm point harshness dave tharp wear davet indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief built rocks velorex knocks compulsive harleys employer idea joiner give grief 
hasty organization duke university durham lines nntp posting host north acpub duke apparently post hasy called places quotes liability palced give liab bike total place called andy infante listen fact remains thing joan sutherland opinions dammit 
timing organization cambridge england lines nntp posting host bootes kind soul advance timing revs special bought canada 
sale nntp posting host sunsol semi harris organization harris semiconductor melbourne keywords sale lines selling sportster make room flhtcu scoot excellent condition wrecked abused garaged sportster standard blue factory conversion miles branch ported polished valve heads screamin eagle carb screamin eagle adjustable pushrods harley performance mufflers tachometer metzeler tires front rear progressive front fork springs harley king queen seat sissy chromed ring chain fork brace cooler thermostat hard battery bike cover price phone melbourne florida 
stolen aarghh organization local organization lines article jpolito encore jonathan polito writes article ericm eric murray writes watch scumbag steals cover means steal bike case faded cover stolen stashed apartment carport visible street evidently decided beemer worth stealing night steal honda hurricane parked apartment building neighbor heard wheeling called cops setting things good bikes accounts heard practically steals bmws similar moto guzzis relative exotics large demand parts bike easier track stolen bikes harleys sport bikes reasons couple years stolen bikes orange county ninjas biggest reason bmws ripped people bmws deal actual dealer mail order types inventory checked fairly easily enforcement types mark sufficient honest acquiring parts harleys rice rockets situations huge aftermarket harley parts bike parted fairly easily ditto sport japanese bikes prices parts high comparatively rockets anytime bike plastic cracked expensive replace fairly easy disreputable shop fairing stolen bike slap bike repair repaint make tidy profit parts traceable discarded traceable mike disclaimer opiini damn exit quitbye ctrlaltdel logout save quit quit zz helpquit exit quit ctrlshftdel stop 
passenger helmet sizing organization institute cognitive studies berkeley lines nntp posting host cogsci berkeley article egreen writes article altcit eskimo maven altcit eskimo norman hamer writes question passenger helmets ride meet church meeting yeah ticket guidelines pick shoei size backup helmet inexpensive smaller size accomodate passenger primary concern protecting passenger event crash fitted helmet size primary concern complying stupid helmet laws carry real spare small head helmet small shopping passenger helmet noticed cases external dimensions helmets difference amount inside padding solution large helmet construct removable liner sheet closed cell foam satin glued inside surface result snug smallest headed pillion liner comfortable largest headed pillion liner linered michael robinson uucp ucbvax cogsci robinson internet robinson berkeley 
members read organization nasa goddard space flight center greenbelt lines bill ranck writes owner thinking signing beginning suspiciously throwing money rathole sort bill ranck bill ranck computing center virginia polytchnic inst state univ blacksburg ditto seiss 
bikes east west coasts organization corporate notes server lines hpcc motorcycles groverc grover cleveland shop bike sacramento area prices higher state affirmative check sacramento fresno modesto stockton bakersfield newspapers prices motos classifieds large main public library number town papers graeme harrison hewlett packard communications components division trimble jose gharriso corp 
paint jobs nntp posting host baldrick organization alex technologies london england lines recommend good place priced bike paint jobs preferably essentially london area lisa rowlands alex technologies house uxbridge road ealing london email lisa 
happy easter organization computer science dept university london newsreader version lines nick pettefar npet wrote kevinh wibbled jonathan quist bemoaned minor blasphemy companies likes jaguar lotus outright sacrilege british ownership fundamental thing lotus management buyout happy elan late pricey write elan development costs able sell price legal clause owns british company owner sell company kevinh ascom seperate company aero engine company vickers rolls royce cars kevin posts morgan sliding pillar front suspension bike long bleeding pettefar bloke mail address bung ogri list dave david edmondson davide queen mary westfield college guzzi mans means horse drawn zeppelin 
observation helmets organization elect armts army armt picatinny arsenal lines nntp posting host gator pica army maven altcit eskimo norman hamer wrote dropped shoei seat bike rock centerstand chipped heck paint gravity lesson helmet ground head ground fall ground head coradeschi tcora army usenet herd performing elephants diarrhea massive difficult redirect inspiring entertaining source mind boggling amounts excrement expect gene spafford 
live free quietly organization elect armts army armt picatinny arsenal lines nntp posting host gator pica army mcguire utexas tommy marcus mcguire wrote egreen writes tjohnson prime johnson writes horns hand throttle feet bike seconds long push horn button answer feet feet edgetacalculator numbers easy remember coradeschi tcora army usenet herd performing elephants diarrhea massive difficult redirect inspiring entertaining source mind boggling amounts excrement expect gene spafford 
stuff organization elect armts army armt picatinny arsenal lines nntp posting host gator pica army article artc campbell wrote hotly contested bmwoa election inept leadership question history organization lead formation bmwra years precipitated formation competing owner groups started nominally simultaneously splitsville start sources correct involved start groups true coradeschi tcora army usenet herd performing elephants diarrhea massive difficult redirect inspiring entertaining source mind boggling amounts excrement expect gene spafford 
bikes contacts organization university virginia lines thing full face cheap brain bucket full face important gnarly spill ended sliding feet face visor worries contacts 
movies bikes organization university virginia lines billy jack wild smokey bandit jerry reed runs truck motorcycle gangs bikes video tape documentary hell angels found rental store 
wanted advice cylist organization university east anglia lines angel levine writes dangerous mind jody 
countersteering question organization university east anglia distribution lines lotto harvard jerry lotto writes running thread understand countersteering opinion basis fact study bottom line understanding ability swerve essentially absent accident involved riders hurt study average rider identify countersteering primary input effect motorcycle lean years practice agree paragraphs hurt study make distinction ability swerve failure swerve accidents accidents riders stand brakes hard dare simply instinct brake face danger strong rides hard braking swerving tend mutually exclusive manouvres hurt draw conclusions generally preferable 
women motorcycle helmet organization university east anglia distribution lines lisa lisa rowlands writes janice unduly cautious helmet normal road happened past life lisa rowlands list stuff unwise secondhand stuff parachutes toilet paper condoms motorcycle helmets risk extremely good fitting secondhand helmet life work lisa 
flames exhaust lines nntp posting host worwig atlantaga organization corporation newsreader ftpnuz article mikeh uiuc mike hollyman custom replaced cylinder head gasket back idle running cylinders backfire spit flames exhaust side exhaust bought plugs today runs rough idle fine tune knobs carbs messed checked timing fine advanced assume carbs synched price suggestions advance mike hollyman sounds timing 
antifreeze coolant lines nntp posting host worwig atlantaga organization corporation newsreader ftpnuz article behanna chris behanna motorcycles liquid cooled persuasion brand coolant aluminum safe coolant preferably phosphate free preferably cheaper gallon dealer quart official blessed holy kawasaki coolant paying usury chris behanna fxwg wide glide jubilee lady behanna baby bike disclaimer agree raised pack wild corn dogs thought coolants aluminum safe tear kawasaki 
opinion means organization jose california home perverted hackers lines infante duke andrew infante writes occurance paid dollars renumerance drunk class listened righteous assholes rest world suaree devil made 
countersteering question organization chemistry dept harvard university lines distribution nntp posting host laura harvard reply message mike sixsmith mike lotto harvard jerry lotto writes understanding ability swerve essentially absent accident involved riders hurt study mike agree paragraphs hurt mike study make distinction ability swerve failure mike swerve specifically ability understanding technique absent made progress rider education responsibility twenty years amazed anytime teach people year riding experience discover countersteering cornering swerving mike hard braking swerving tend mutually exclusive mike manouvres hurt draw conclusions generally mike preferable specific recommandation cited hurt study formal street strategy sipde important component rider education curriculum specific skills emergency braking cornering swerving taught practiced significant rider confronted potential accident collided fell result rider error choice specific maneuver significant outcome early detection proper execution effective countermeasure jerry lotto msfci hogssc bcso chemistry dept harvard univ harley ride 
johs nntp posting host bmdhh organization europe maidenhead newsreader version lines pete young wibbled nick pettefar npet wrote newbie bites dust learn newbie disappoint internet baghdad dads funny people made group interesting years longer time make random sweep week missed thread terribly based previous postings apparently devoid humour sarcasm apparent capacity walk chew time assumed culpa subtlety sort subtle nice afford overpay contractors read news foreign firms touchy newbie matter starch undies nick considerate biker concise oxford chewer nick pettefar contractor teneo tuus intervallum cuurrently incarcerated npet maidenhead united kingdom pres pbwasoh 
fortune guzzler barred bars nntp posting host bmdhh organization europe maidenhead newsreader version lines charles parr wibbled article npet nick pettefar writes satan rode bike stop riders stick stop satan rides vincent jesus rides angels ariels demons ride matchless talk fillings teeth charles span weeks heard elements separate threads conjoined time struck form chord hollow echoing gourd unknown person vincent wrong sort bike satan ride honda brought bike magazine evil satan hesitate ride hole levi black bomber jacket helmet darth vader satan cruisin ride vincent white lightning rightous injection wear piece leather suit matching boots helmet gloves nick righteous biker concise oxford leaky gearbox nick pettefar contractor teneo tuus intervallum cuurrently incarcerated npet maidenhead united kingdom pres pbwasoh 
shaft drives wheelies distribution world organization slack lines posts shafties wheelies mike imposible shaft effect centripital effects rotating shaft counteract tendency front wheel lift ground good point john buddy mine told thing dumped clutch revved folks shaft diddleysquatpoop front wheel ground ferchrissake bill bill slack tears shed vain word lost rumble engine smoke exhaust 
shaft drives wheelies lines nntp posting host worwig atlantaga organization corporation newsreader ftpnuz article john daker previous article xlyx cornell mike terry asks wheelie motorcycle shaft drive mike imposible shaft effect centripital effects rotating shaft counteract tendency front wheel lift ground darkman motorcycles shaft driven wheelie rear gear climb ring gear lift rear feel wheelies 
sale zephyr summary tucson area moving area organization lunar planetary laboratory tucson lines boys bought beemer realized abruptly grad student sold truck yesterday sell zephyr sell month great insurance tags couple weeks insure sweet bike miles highway summer great rides border purchased year model good fairing luggage rack clean perfect maintenance bullshit spare details charm bike people small bike standard upright positioning good smooth power great brakes good karma erik asphaug arizona kawi zephyr erik asphaug 
boom attack organization becton dickinson research center lines nntp posting host polymr bdrc eagerly await comment princess door makes habit flooring cage driveway sees coming hits made mistake waving neighbor sort grudge riding downhill local backroad brown dobie flashing brush intercept front wheel started hill heard lead road approaching left running full tilt bike side road rover back calculate final trajectory notice approaching direction closeup view poor canine friend noggin careening front bumper smacking asphalt runover front tire managed pretty good yelp impact peripheral imminent doom guess driver swerved lane squeegeed headed back home sniff fate sees smiles rick 
sale sigh organization temple university lines nntp posting host temple newsreader sale reluctantly classic bike yamaha twin original miles stored inside front aftermarket tapered steering head bearings racer supply rear bronze swingarm bushings tsubaki chain pirrhana fairing headlight cutout carrera racing seat superbike bars velo stacks twin carbs original seat tank original cherry white paint scratches dents dings exhaust original finally rusted discarded process making kenney roberts replica cafe racer graduate school marriage child precluded effort wife love unload assembly throw manuals receipts collection society newsletters relevant articles great classic bike invested reasonable offers timothy shickley director neurourology departments urology anatomy cell biology temple university school medicine north broad philadelphia voice data voice internet shickley temple bitnet shickley bitnet icbm 
boom attack nntp posting host seahunt imat organization seahunt francisco lines article ryan cousineau questor ryan cousineau writes interestingly thing happened bike moved negative impaired sentence bike move michael michael nelson internet nelson imat 
cobra locks lines nntp posting host palm organization cray research eagan newsreader version distribution steve bunis southwest chicago central wrote posting locksmithing methods securing motorcycle responses referring cobra lock store carrying lock chicago area feedback yamaha cyclelok photo motorcyclist hardened steel kryptonite lock folds places extend lock rear tire tube parking sign similar experience easy attack lock jointed sections tony 
happy easter organization tektronix colorado data systems englewood lines article jonathan quist writes rolls royce owned british firm gods civilization ford owns aston martin jaguar general motors owns lotus vauxhall rover owned honda dave tharp wear davet indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief built rocks velorex knocks compulsive harleys employer idea joiner give grief 
bike advice organization lehigh university lines kawasaki mint condition starts kick time outgrown bike selling told sound higher lower spend year bike paying fusi 
bmwmoa controversy distribution organization computrac richardson keywords bmwmoa board history contretemps lines article prahren uucp peter ahrens writes article cactus writes vech msstate craig vechorik writes good boys long agree current board garbage voting simply trading form trash opponents selections equal time post rational bmwmoa folks left rest summary current state affairs esteemed organization historical outline contretemps member bikes clubs politics llsh real turn tuba irwin honk computrac richardson irwin lonestar 
test nntp posting host reply nuet organization paging wireless data group lines test 
helmet reply ryan cousineau questor ryan cousineau distribution world organization computer dynamics vancouver lines christopher bradley devlin compared ahem unique helmet design animated series huge opening mouth topped world tiniest eyeslits enormous mouth opening batman helmet cuts degrees unrestricted vision helmet leather mask thingy batman batman notice takes bike snow rain batdude weird helmet drags knee corners cookson hidden pucks takes bike snow rain lets robin ride made license easier trend stylish helmet stylish knee dragging rides stylish cartoon precipitation dealing veritable airborne mammalian poseur dare squid squid adds make honorary dude sticker address batman current artists comic book animated series write batman honorary denizen yeah special kotl precedent inducting imaginary member imaginary motorcycle computers cave safely assume imaginary internet access ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black inverness live ride kotrb king work squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau questor vancouver canada live slmr virtual reality check bounced computer dynamics vancouver canada easy access rates friendly sysop 
boom attack reply ryan cousineau questor ryan cousineau distribution world organization computer dynamics vancouver lines previous posting attacks generated karma weathered attempted attacks approved method slow screw triangulation target laugh time work time riding hill leading house encountered liver white springer spaniel relation springer softail springer spagthorpe close relation spagthorpe viking encountered intent harm digress riding unpainted centerline roughly foot wide road forty sixty clicks velocity impaired shot bushes left side road impossibly high speed learned accelerating front porch thirty feet heading gently sloped approach side road sipde boom left marks bike driven side bike considerable force making permanent marks plastic parts bike cracking panel spin looked back memory moment hazy turned picked house apologetic woman explained hurt mouth hoped hurt feel pain shin expected cool purple welt form sadly left tender shin cool battle scars interestingly thing happened bike moved inconsiderable impact push bike bike control reaction sudden impact delayed pain helped feel sudden sharp pain remember worries accident prevented traveling slower necessarily unreasonable suggestion residential area riding speed limit worry happened console thought insane cager whip blind driveway matter driveways long eagerly await comment ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black inverness live ride kotrb king work squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau questor vancouver canada live slmr hurt dammit doctor computer dynamics vancouver canada easy access rates friendly sysop 
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spring records organization homewood academic computing johns hopkins university baltimore lines distribution world expires nntp posting host jhunix summary earl weaver commandments orioles pitching staff fine exhibition season shutouts team baseball news march contend fans teams spring records remember earl weaver baseball book managing damn july lost game march idea contenders starter pretty sutcliffe mussina mcdonald rhodes rotation johns hopkins university mascot blue baseball team logo toronto club logo anatomically correct blue original idea pose baltimore oriole hats people realize bird called baltimore oriole admiral steve internet address admiral committee liberation intergration terrifying organisms rehabilitation society dwarf polymorph bangles greatest female rock band existed brought frungy sport kings 
rickey rickey whining smith brian smith expires distribution organization university kentucky dept math sciences lines article genetic david tate writes read followups thought back original article make specific comments method john oswalt obtained play play records computer readable form major league baseball game past years devised algorithm call situations wrote computer program calculate major league players contribution works situation game baseball season situation determined inning score baserunners outs situation count times team eventually game situation occured divide number times situation situation george lindsey late early reported article investigation strategies baseball author george lindsey journal operations research issue volume july august pete palmer thing simulated seasons generate larger data avoid kind small sample anomalies people worried reported hidden game baseball john thorn gary skoog modified method work called added measure based situational values based directly marginal runs probabilities results applied season reported bill james baseball abstract books situation inning score runner outs regular season major league games year rockies marlins year situation team ahead situation description method change probability based baserunning credit debit player amount time plate appearance player base running values season obtain player players values game season credit batter pitcher validation involved problem commented adding probabilities probabilities runs total team runs breaks runs contributed runs fred contributed probabilities work increases team chance winning increased team chance winning fact units screwy agree disagree john batters efforts result wins losses correct wins losses means player increased teams chances winning player increased chances winning appears obvious positive association john statistic winning games disregard stat appears study sort relationship hits solo bottom scale thing fourth score tied seventh score tied finally ninth game score solo plate appearances credited method responsible defense responsible include pitching pitching fact offense close team runs solo fred fred hitting game valuable lead lindsey fred accrued good rating fred combined amassed game problem problem insistance number wins team averages seasons applying game remember players performance chance winning player negative probability cases game numbers team game pitchers performances giving runs large negative percentage game batter pulled night give large negatives greg thinking things intuition mark closers enormously important total number runs outweighed prevented comming doubling greg article proposed test predict team lost record accurately runs total score regard runs score game late runs important early runs late runs lead predictor smaller sample size number runs score inning good prediction runs score inning realize closer close situation blow hard argue runs closer game equal importance inning closer giving runs means team lose games hand starter runs leaves team chance offence outs late inning situations equally important runs ninth matter runs pitcher ninth thought experiment apply method basketball find points scored half game lead safe entire half play bench sinks winning free throws time clock game star forward scored points half spraining ankle make sense assume teams probability winning possesion free throws made point seconds left fairly high probability game possesion ball forget elses missed shots turnovers fouls defense caused negative chance team reading discussion statistic feel critisize extent agenda statistic valadates clutchness cluthness revolves idea players crucial situation elevate performance performance convincing proof assume clutchness means noice statistic positive association player performance noice clutchness find average home find instance home increases chance winning average strikeout decreases chance winning find statistic good statistics predicting wins losses evaluate relief pitchers john exact pitching statistics runs earned runs exceptional numbers john pitched closer situations valuble team john pitcher brian smith 
joke rockies attendance record organization homewood academic computing johns hopkins university baltimore lines distribution expires nntp posting host jhunix summary opcy small hell orioles opening game easily largest history stadium seats unfortunely yards excellent ballpark holds spots ticket sales entire year moving fast bleacher seats game year extremely likelyhood sell game year lead division year front sale orioles forced jacobs major debt apparently owner spend proven rightfielder free agent winter fernando made starter pitching staff pretty good sutcliffe mussina mcdonald rhodes fernando baltimore pick victors competitive east admiral steve internet address admiral committee liberation intergration terrifying organisms rehabilitation society dwarf polymorph bangles greatest female rock band existed brought frungy sport kings season gregg true wild thing olson uncorks wild pitch allowing blue jays blue jays ends baby birds miracle season 
players overpaid article midway reply uchicago organization university chicago lines whining players overpaid thought underpaid team pennant splurged players earn half million dollars highest paid player frank thomas players kenny lofton chris hoiles keith mitchell wakefield bunch pitchers arguably made team cost million total team salary averaging slightly player steep dump thomas bagwell replacing paul sorrento minimum wager save million dollars teams majors juan guzman mussina castillo eldred rhodes militello rojas beck melendez hernandez nied rodriguez piazza thomas bagwell knoblauch barberie gomez palmer listach pena gonzalez lankford sanders plantier frank teel mentioned uchicago advice legally sound follow school wind jail standard disclaimers james donald misc legal 
rickey henderson organization cornell univ dept ithaca distribution lines article msstate jiann ming writes henderson contract groceries season able sign bitching ball player doubt henderson clear waivers instantly signed major league minimum oakland picking remaining million field performance valentine 
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minnesota pitching nntp posting host milli organization university minnesota minneapolis csci dept lines article snelson scott nelson writes rotation changed strange injury scott erickson developed twinge stomach area rotation rotation mind knowledge kevin tapani deshais mahomes willie banks mike trombley people mark guthrie remain bullpen long lefty short played scott leius played short career twins mike pagliarulo jeff reboulet platoon pags terry jorgenson platoon reboulet backup infielder pags looked pretty miserable yesterday lead league muffing routine grounders heck muffing grounder jorgenson exceptional noticed leius missed ball gagne reached miss glove season winfield struggled preseason sunday colorado rockies rbis scored looked pretty good contrary mediots looked reasonable hrbek pretty note twins kinda field hits vaguely year perfectly good baseman note posting personal observation yesterday game regulars pulled innings winfield holes defensive game show pick throws david thornley tickets travel dome 
brewers injuries organization iowa state university ames lines locked small closet chained bench week access important information million shoulder back long millions inning year personal higuera mind wondering coffing money lets current producers relative pittance realize term relative pittance sarcasm discussing baseball salaries additional questions bones pitch spring rotation surhoff shaping defensively build stadium 
binaca blast deep drive derby bbdd returns organization social science computing laboratory distribution nntp posting host vaxr sscl lines article king ucsd jonathan king writes publicized part infamous darrin jackson derek bell trade fact diego included deal publicized padres named source money blue jays toronto money diverted london bank account owned shadowy character named vincent gray lucky account number rejected thing gray british financier canadian social scientist working university western ontario gray previously authorities associate john palmer previous year discovered true tater bing bang macdonald accurate bang macdonald gray palmer word ottawa canada achieved absolute superiority united states field baseballistic research controlled acker cook pitch alike contest binaca blast research institute prime minister smiled hope inadvertantly give pleasure mulroney ruins matthew wall marvellous ending section expos giving effort managed foist running binaca blast deep drive derby vince gray future deep drive related tidbits vince vince sscl identify messages subject line bbdd vince post chime plans director research institute kind body armor ontarians wearing spring pick truckload denis boucher cards bought fill area tool shed jking realizing taterific importance work john palmer concluded able pool resources archives jonathan send official introduction deep drive derby rename project principal investigator research archive changed send suggestions rename study address opening balls flying minds gutter ball parks helpless bystanders injured balls reentering atmosphere thought meteorite showers made rocks stars year hope combat brad arnsberg record start year season young balls newly rubbed dogs starting boil rest year play ball cover sliders hang vince 
designated hitter rule holsend moorhead msus reply holsend moorhead msus organization moorhead state university moorhead nntp posting host lines article ekdfc david coons writes article ecgillespi bsuvc writes postition paper designated hitter rule information opinions greatly apprecitated ecgillespie magic rescinded rules baseball game teams players weeks sports illustrated couple articles designated hitter baseball issue weeks sports illustrated 
atas games standings article usenet organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host cwru philadelphia chicago teams tied sunday dick redding battled chet brewer game dramatic game series friday saturday good sunday doubleheader declared ernie banks fact cubs challenging pitching pitching lacked announced ryne sandberg brewer beat carlton alexander bunning preferrably able lord hope pull phils scored richie ashburn singled pete rose sending ashburn kiki cuyler ball left center threw bullet ernie banks threw santo ashburn rose play christobel torrienti lifted long center moving pete rose schmidt walked cubs absolutely refusing beat torrienti schmidt draw walks year chuck klein starting lashed double center cool papa bell speed allowed ball prevent schmidt scoring nellie walked boone grounded ending threat teams starting realize pitch schmidt torrienti lowering total puts pressure klein dick allen platoons chuck klein occasionally spells rose credit phillies able sustain pace picthers slumped times analysis frank chance cubs back bell bunted thomas grounder moved sandberg made billy williams singled home sixth santo launched homer make dick redding trouble eighth schmidt singled klein singled reulbach entered face dick allen popped dugout allen doubled luckily cubs williams moved left andre dawson inserted defense fired bullet home plate klein lance parrish hitting boone walked bruce sutter entered larry bowa grounded double play delahanty walked pinch hitter desiring strikeout ashburn attempt bunt quick trillo pinch running chance brought smith induced catcher speedy centerfielder ending inning cubs moving game phillies steve carlton called battle finger brown saturday righthander lineup santo moved bill madlock played brown allowed doubles bullpen worn cubs maintain lead lefty madlock batting sixth knocked doubles driving home runs gabby hartnett home runs cuyler added score cubs innings phillie bullpen troubles bottom eighth cubs grabbed runs triumph sunday twin bill cool papa bell gather straight hits point including rare park home game robin roberts grover alexander phils contest cubs captured waddell gaining bruce sutter tossed innings save allowed eighth cardinals stood half game leaders conclude series expos monday montreal louis august dennis martinez roll continued versus john tudor friday expos wide variety hitters time greats winning games suddenly found games wacky season martinez triumphed friday williams outdueled dizzy dean saturday cardinals refused give winning sunday cards captured monday game steve carlton outdueled steve rogers good ground ball pitchers team speed remarked brock division phillies cubs reasons thirds season york pittsburgh august straight wins bucs back team slump worst thing play pitcher park spoke hodges series keith hernandez added defense takes runs year giving extra wins pirates made errors season ahead place dodgers error totals tend defensive time teams rube foster defeated fernandez friday candelaria outshone seaver saturday game featuring outstanding defense nolan ryan relivers mets sunday pirates forward victory back mark unable times past month bert blyleven dwight gooden afternoon game pitchers possessed fantastic stuff runs scored innings home runs solo shot rusty staub mets blast ralph kiner pirates mets darryl strawberry singled home ninth jesse orosco working inning mookie wilson pinch gary carter runner mazilli pinch pirates countered kent tekulve placing spot order putting barry bonds left field ninth place hitter tekulve induced groundout forcing strawberry slid hard honus wagner preventing pirates turning double play afternoon tekulve allowed clemente threw mazilli field line ending inning mcgraw relieved randy myers entered pitch eighth bonds launched rocket deep center running stop sign score inside park homer pirates scored improbable straight wins moved games place weeks francisco boswaukta august sunday doubleheader appeared schedule giants managed close teams starting pitching tire fact reported manager john mcgraw rough part schedule early coming week shift rotation juan marichal continued pitching friday beating burdette braves willie mays hits rick reuschel faced niekro saturday slugfest braves park homer haven cake giants seesaw affair willie mays homers willie mccovey eddie matthews baylor hank aaron ernie lombardi mackey braves collected home runs sunday doubleheader putting pace short national league record yankees pace allowed vida blue retiring batters allowed sixth faltered seventh mcginnity earned save doubleheader braves hoyt wilhelm failed hold lead game hank aaron homered bill foster eighth braves giants game score homer aaron magical braves fell game making comeback extremely diego cincinnati randy jones faced ewell blackwell game series padres felt good mattingly straining back cleveland game trade looked mcgriff batting average rising bench poor gordon adequate outfield minor problems pitching holding jones pitched good game friday mcgriff launched home runs harder earned mark davis narleski saturday final score candiotti battled satchel paige innings departing game scoreless innings thirteenth paige departed john franco hurled scoreless inning browning working scoreless inning dave winfield doubled gordon pitched thurm munson doubled runners home padres gamed game sweep pulled giants reds reds denied highly emotional series dodgers brookangeles houston august series capped weekend doubleheader place wide open plains astrodome astros niekro hill game opposite drysdale drysdale remarked challenging hitter ready throw afford team runners afford astros beat winked davis decked fact glenn davis leads team homers primarily decked understood current pace give season hitting team power doubles triples carl furillo main reason astro home runs weekend threw runners inside park homers unaware nastness astros park foot high gray wall outfield balls seats home runs foul poles feet home plate alleys feet center field feet year threw tantrum told playmates home runs home runs remarked campanella dodgers stole bases friday astros decided revitalize baltimore chopping failed weeks tonight davis wynn jose cruz mess swings manager poles willie wells reached base baltimore chop drysdale decked jose cruz pitch responded double wynn playing davis popped astros score inning score fourth erase deficit astros wound winning threatened game tommy john opponent walt alston privately starters game beat baltimore chop explained reese wondered beating ball ready throw steve start balls dirt practice barehanded picks throws shallow infield time plan worked mike scott allowed runs innings astros scored bill doran pushed bunt outfield fourth runners astros final dave smith earning save dodgers scored victory game twin bill sunday nolan ryan walked scored dodger fernando valenzuela lost game sutton dodgers thirteen stolen bases series proved power team remarked jackie plays maury wills real speed demons couple plays sunk place astrodome guess successful basestealing teams give trouble dome stros swiped bases attempts giving season standings weekend series east team york cleveland detroit boston baltimore toronto washington west oaksaselphia minnesota chicago kansas city california milwaukee seattle east chicago philadelphia louis pittsburgh montreal york west brookangeles cincinnati francisco boswaukta houston diego doug fowler cwru mommys daddys casey relatives give lots hugs love missed strike poem support heaven great made lasts forever 
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espn games article meaddata pptv distribution world organization mead data central dayton lines nntp posting host taurus meaddata article lafayette writes list nationally televised games espn live east coast catch giants games possibly list published week baseball weekly brian curran mead data central brian swimming bathing german reporter watching olympic superstar swimmer mark spitz badly beaten comeback race 
finnally phils support ccit arizona greg franklin distribution world local organization university arizona nntp posting host violet nntp posting user lines article philly udel robert hite writes article anuj gupta writes everytime written possibility successfuls season philadelphia phillies ripped pittsburgh calcutta ignoramouses care week baseball weekly considers division winners rest respected baseball writers country talking bozo pittsburgh calcutta notice phils team offensive juggernaut score runs hits scoreboard people sick phillies scattered offensive league leaders category newspaper spring training yesterday plane catch minutes game ended minds point thought written sdcn anti mediot poster blessed talent sarcasm biting remarks instance lurid overstatements intended humiliate original poster great offense slightly average pitching staff youth promise pitchers part mitch blown saves minimum pennant left field robert hite michael jack schmidt commissioner scales lifted eyes robert compare performance phillies edition outstanding producers position finished frustrating level folks amount squad imho parallels previous years teams year editions style braves orioles greg mockingbird franklin interracial mixing encompasses arizona mingling races robohen things wishes moon flowers face dear performed furnishings cottage real thoughts lover letter famous places 
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quick local beat writer dumb gajarsky njin gajarsky hobokenite organization hoboken lines jayson stark trhink fits perfectly category writes dean palmer homers pace home runs shot april writes pace homers shouldbe shot 
mike francesa predictions gajarsky njin gajarsky hobokenite organization hoboken lines thought francesca predictions hovered counting college football bowl nice analyst explaining past tense mapping plays teams predicting future good whne compared russo 
finnally phils support kirsch dave cursed jays kirsch organization carlos hormones nntp posting host staff lines article philly udel robert hite writes tirade deleted editor conservative added wins adding wins expansion teams wins lesse dipshit math genuious hmm good worse division baseball time foolish clue great sarcasm worried dave hung acker slider kirsch blue jays kirsch quotes context beat dead horse couple weeks disappoints punishments discharges jackhammering stephen lawrence 
young catchers organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article genetic david tate writes mark singer meant exception make rule exception good players young players young good rule players young good young worse shift detailed studies shown players aren coming younger older past playing minors thing shifts memories good days damn afraid fact makes applicable current discussion decide play rookie hasn established majors mediocre veteran padres played santiago year worth playing braves worth playing year lopez worth playing opinion happen agree young highly touted defensive catchers expected baseball sport baseball consensus sound incredibly arrogant comment found sdcn consensus exists media consensus opinions baseball people affiliated newbie word alomar fine defensive catcher statement solid reason bringing tender long feel lopez consensus defensive prowess imho give dreaded seasoning suppose people similar catcher differing opinions read strong suppose measurement ratios learning call game skill difficult project intimate knowledge performance tangible skill disagree tangible skill leadership deny real skill catchers nichols catcher defense eerily accurate defensive assessments catchers nichols catchers interested pitchers eras catchers info absolutely evidence piling year year alternative braves young players average current starters ruling kind gross incompetence salary schedule explanation charitable words logic decision make financial presume feel franchises atlanta braves strongest team baseball olson lemke nixon bream lineup good chance repeating champs year team makes sense making team marginally year bringing young studs dumping elderly ahead compete year bring studs reserve years current team collecting pensions fair young players make organizational sense make organizational sense fault decisions business successful make wins bring lopez listen bobby hits club year paying mega arbitration bucks road couple years continues winning year smoking illegal substance joke offended love wrong love cite innate ethical rectitude personally cite ethical rectitude means makes organizational sense baseball business solid business reason keeping lopez farm braves happen baseball decision armchair disagee evidence suggest decision made predicted large guffaws start spring training normal decision made reversible started lopez bigs released catchers conservative logical ethics pretty good common sense beastmaster mark singer 
east champion phillies article usenet reply dwarner indiana organization indiana university lines nntp posting host poppy journalism indiana robert hite writes projected lineups benches rotation bullpen national league east champion philadelphia phillies phillies effect philly blunts true smoke david dwarner indiana blue riddle productions coming tape time real mail 
mike francesa predictions originator news nntp posting host crux princeton reply roger princeton roger lustig organization princeton university lines article dick bellcore vaughn richard writes article pjtier louisville writes article dick bellcore vaughn richard writes mike francesa mentioned baseball picks passing radio yesterday francesa talkin opinions worth consideration wizard foresaw year east ncaa tournament unfortunatly teams made sweet sixteen orleans mike francesa outstanding prediction record figure ignore peril radio exploded tuned roger 
move redflops organization university california diego lines nntp posting host cogsci ucsd summary tragic simmons pick vaughn stwombly ulowell steve twombly writes vaughn spring vaughn season excellent point hope simmons weird idea trading include jeff king deal traded zane smith jeff king vaughn greg blosser worse nichols curse guess sound sincere jking 
belated predictions reply mjones kingston organization development kingston lines mark singer writes article gajarsky njin gajarsky hobokenite writes javier lopez catcher greg olson history baseball year younger rookie catcher compared favorably league catchers terms defense brought sandy alomar supposed good rookie year benito santiago supposed good rookie year sandy alomar year rookie games threw baserunners benito santiago year rookie games threw baserunners ivan rodriguez year rookies games suck plate continue thread mentioned point quick dismiss seasoned veterans favor young rookies management team pennant winning braves year rookies majors make impact true makes important realize lopez season year adjusted major league equivalencies plate olson mike jones high development mjones kingston admire hitting ryne duren head past tense casey stengel 
espn expansion distribution organization hewlett packard lines article itlm ucdavis donnie trump writes watching peter gammons espn night confused talking expansion started mentioning people benefit fringe players facing mcgriff hitting home runs sheffield glavine winning games reference happened times baseball expanded early late late confused mention players year specifically roger clemens winning games likes mcgwire gonzalez hitting home runs question hell rockies marlins time looked talent jumping leagues miss dennis cleary dfcleary wondered thing mentioned thought making mistake examples years gave stats players leagues league expanded stats guess effect leagues expansion draft takes talent leagues equally making team leagues dilute major league talent calling players expansion make sense 
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wohlers minors organization biochemistry lines nntp posting host bruchner biochem duke article ccastmm gatech mike marler writes shannonr shannon reeves cntr tech writes times bullpen middle relief marvin pitched innings spring supposed surgery wondering decide middle relief thinks marvin choice early season immediately give mcmchael chances pitch spring bedrock freeman wondering intends howell happened senior smoke juan berenguer traded mark davis middle season exchanged stiff berenguer back injury retired middle relief marvin pitch couple innings work mcmichael mexican league inning mercker eric roush fierkelab bchm biochem duke marxist groucho sort grafitti paris tanstaafl internet close 
minnesota pitching reply nntp posting host organization performance systems mailer psilink lines date karim edvard ahmed able baseball season questions favorite team minnesota twins good rotation heard order tapani erikson mahomes banks heard sounds pretty pathetic banks year prospect hasn matured quickly mahomes year highly touted tapani erickson young looked good spring spot deshaies houston mike trombley deshaies looked good spring spot trombley wanted starters unproven personally highly mahomes trombley playing short scott leius shortstop played year minors moved back gagne left split pagliarulo great spring terry jorgenson good languished portland years time divided happy jorgenson fear give time pags winfield dennis 
belated predictions nntp posting host staff organization carlos hormones lines long folks sharing esteemed wisdom karnak west east west east chicago toronto atlanta louis texas york cincinnati montreal minnesota baltimore houston york oakland boston angeles philadelphia seattle detroit diego pittsburgh kansas city milwaukee fran chicago california cleveland colorado florida details follow pick taking entries prediction pools contests snag mine list glad opening makes gloom doom weather patterns lundy dave hung acker slider kirsch blue jays kirsch quotes context beat dead horse couple weeks disappoints punishments discharges jackhammering stephen lawrence 
surge weeks organization washington university newsreader version lines watch soar watch stoned watch suck watch sore matt montgomery phillies 
find baseball statistics organization schunix public access unix worcester county lines interested uncovering statistics boston players march present batting average hits multi games runs stolen bases base game find information sports magazines info directly ball club info 
grateful dead lines baseball mentioned band wondering clue dead members sang national anthem todays giant opener imagine early answer greatly appreciated curious robert robert margesson umaine hockey park black bears orono ncaa champs 
williams yanks east nntp posting host organization math stats dalhousie university halifax canada distribution lines thing feared worst happened yanks williams start williams wickman millitello rotation nicer kaminiecki mike witt combo thought throw slaughterhouse experience granted witt good rationale youngsters witt good pitcher experience yanks showing taking positive strides forwards jays loss dave stewart gigantic holes pitching staff orioles gord niguma salvage season olerud 
good player shorts idiots organization university virginia lines article guilford writes article roger princeton roger lustig writes article guilford writes jackson jackson looked converted neutral park basis production equivalent average started established seasons level play good good fact make league dave winfield thomas bonds incroyable tenth roberts season past years carter mattingly felix jose years ahead time raines year average ryan klesko mles attention media warranted baseball playing hype hitting basis comments overrated media beleive great hitter good good hitter hitter majors clay 
young catchers nntp posting host staff organization carlos hormones lines article mark singer writes alomar brilliant rookie year true limited injuries sophomore season numbers yaer year mediocre season bill james projects bill james sounds suggesting bill james overhyping death contraire fairly critical campaign noting world catcher hitter called basically average media predicting johnny bench campanella young highly touted defensive catchers expected baseball reports read lopez ordinary defensively reports dodgers options parrish hernandez carlos piazza long continues lineup offensive production cools defensive catcher hernandez play hernandez piazza catch ball gotta play imho hitter hernandez hitter sounds piazza catch time hernandez candiotti caddy catch knuckler long play abilities dodgers good catching tandem braves options berryhill olson agree olson special berryhill people braves catchers good defensively calling game blocking plate throwing weak offenivsively play team overrated defensively nichols catcher defense difficult prove disprove viewpoint mine tangible thing opponent clouded pitchers hold runners catchers possibility subject biases playing team disagree chink braves armor weak offensively positions belliard plays bream hunter form super platoon weak defensively blauser plays braves give nieves javy lopez chipper jones shot talent rich jays recent years conservative stick wrong conservative dave hung acker slider kirsch blue jays kirsch quotes context beat dead horse couple weeks disappoints punishments discharges jackhammering stephen lawrence 
quick local beat writer dumb nntp posting host myria organization projective squids poor distribution lines article gajarsky njin gajarsky hobokenite writes jayson stark fits perfectly category jayson stark writes weekly press syndicate baseball america writes dean palmer homers pace home runs shot april writes pace homers shouldbe shot stark sort thing states sort projection useless columns season manager projected thrown games hitter expect plunked times stark funny stuff weekly baseball reviews good collections strange things happened previous week regularly prints kinerisms lance smith moments named manager lsmith oakland peanut crushed special limited edition headed loner wielding aluminum signature murder mausoleum 
young catchers nntp posting host staff organization carlos hormones lines article tedward cornell edward theodorus redsox fannus fischer writes good players ready majors early hofers contributing major leaguers time brings interesting point catch espn piece prospects relationship career length mvps hall fame members part preseason special basically looked players amassed plate appearances time noticed interesting things starters found players comprised majority mvps history game found players represented majority players hall fame kicker number crunching found players careers lasted longer careers players group found players produced greater level performance produced totals players group outhit blew group categories rbis impressive thing espn recent memory guess knight makes rebuttal tonight dave hung acker slider kirsch blue jays kirsch quotes context beat dead horse couple weeks disappoints punishments discharges jackhammering stephen lawrence 
organization umass lowell computer science lines bosox royals clemens appier mike greenwell tripple bases loaded 
quick local beat writer dumb bobby davis organization university cincinnati nntp posting host flash lines gajarsky hobokenite writes jayson stark trhink fits perfectly category writes dean palmer homers pace home runs shot stark sort thing joke prediction shoot shot claiming great royals chances west evidence joking davis 
young catchers reply uchicago organization university chicago lines article kirsch dave cursed jays kirsch writes brings interesting point catch espn piece prospects relationship career length mvps hall fame members part preseason special espn repeat eleven year bill james research literally check abstract impressive thing espn recent memory reliable average sdcn guess knight makes rebuttal tonight oops frank teel mentioned uchicago advice legally sound follow school wind jail standard disclaimers james donald misc legal 
finnally phils support lines nntp posting host ulkyvx louisville organization university louisville article philly udel robert hite writes article pjtier louisville writes everytime written possibility successfuls season philadelphia phillies ripped pittsburgh calcutta ignoramouses care week baseball weekly considers division winners rest respected baseball writers country reasoning genius writer pitching sound strength offense lesse offense offense thompson incaviglia offense wins division winners wins wins wins thompson incaviglia wins thompson incaviglia learn school today math teacher turns rains walk drop tierney hell talking thompson incaviglia equal wins stan javier ruben amaro improvement equate wins lenny dykstra played games year project numbers hits games hits numbers leadoff hole bump kruk hollins daulton numbers lesse knocked fair managed knock pretty nice amount runs leadoff hitter bozo fair wins forget chamberlain month horrible half project full season worth finally worse pitching staff year worse injury decimation danny jackson health full season schilling worth wins conservative added wins adding wins expansion teams wins lesse dipshit math genuious hmm good worse division baseball time foolish clue simply relaying reasoning called genius writer agree reasoning foolish time foolish aware responding wins funny tierney 
uniforms organization university virginia lines teams logo minor uniform change season past seasons incredible thoughts reds uniforms remember pete rose rookie card miss guess wearing exact duds mets performance today reinserted mets patch shoulder changed mets insgnia front jersey knowledge time changed reminds dodger logo teams opted return previous style uniform uniforms traditional phillies reds expos white padres bright colors altered gray trend newer baseball fields resembling parks early years opposed cookie cutter saucer stadiums construcrted sixties salaries reaching unbelievable highs comissioner office inter league play horizon nice baseball meant 
players overpaid lines organization pitzer college frank list underpaid players juan guzman mussina castillo eldred rhodes militello rojas beck melendez hernandez nied rodriguez piazza thomas bagwell knoblauch barberie gomez palmer listach pena gonzalez lankford sanders plantier players common qualify arbitration free agents called reserve clause year whine overpaid outrageous raises humbug king sparky banaian taxes taxes kbanaian claremont taxes taxed dept economics pitzer college alan keyes latest forecast alan 
vegas odds nntp posting host krill corp organization silicon graphics lines list vegas odds teams making world series mailing rickc 
sport baseball fantasy organization locus computing corporation angeles california lines april participating league standard rotisserie rules catagories position players lowest batting average strike outs caught stealing errors pitchers losses blown saves higest taters allowed year participated blowtisserie league year pennant primarily fact terrible pitching lower batting average high jose offerman made helping lock place errors offered andres gallaraga black afford give black kyle abbott afraid andres season make trade comments appreciated warren usui universe scale 
lefebvre idiot organization ball state university muncie univ computing lines wanted lost respect lefebvre today cubs game start maldonado played year tore cactus league bench mention hander maddux started blew lefebvre pinch rick wilkins tommy shields lefty righty thing made wilkins hitter shields batter jose vizcaino weakest hitters looked terrible lefebre bench arnie harris stunned showed sitting dugout vizcaino batting face lefebvre worst manager baseball dishard 
baseman article crcnis pqvusinnmjm distribution organization university nebraska lincoln lines nntp posting host uchicago frank writes article bitnet writes personally alomar hype producing incredibly long numbers sandberg moment alomar sandberg wins long shot sandberg alomar putting seasons power alomar points higher sandberg career high alomar career high doubles triples higher sandberg sandberg alomar alomar reached full potential alomar year headstart sandberg hits sandberg hits career numbers sandberg home runs pass sandberg stolen bases sandberg particulary stolen bases competition alomar sandberg year ripken year boggs gwynn magicians attention sandberg alomar class worth mediocre numbers count national league pitchers pitchers larry elses account mark horan horan ianr 
lefebvre idiot organization university washington lines nntp posting host hardy washington bjgood bsuvc writes wanted lost respect lefebvre today cubs game vizcaino batting face lefebvre worst manager baseball dishard manager lead seattle mariners winning season fifteen give credit dave machman machman washington david carroll science hallelujah 
giants quinn genius organization arizona dept tucson lines article luigi randy palermo writes clark matt williams robbie thompson beck giants system geez clark williams thompson ancient history years beck count solid years manwaring lead season throwing baserunners excellent defensive catcher agree offensive skills limited improving pitchout pitch remember brenly good throwout percentage roger craig loved sacrifice count runners thrown suffered ball strike homers manwaring dave 
harry candy distribution world local organization georgia institute technology lines butchers andres galarraga lighten harry skip couple years gahlah rraggah forget frequent references great giant star bobby bonds harry great personality reason cubs broadcasts quality team chop chop michael mule michael andre mule georgia institute technology atlanta georgia uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism internet gatech 
east baseball organization lehigh university lines doubt true years east back early eighties emergence yanks west team baseball reds giants astros padres talent arounf teams found east dodgers plain suck rockies east defending champs lost free agency toronto baseball orioles preseason favorite young mike mussina forget ripken signings harold baines harold reynolds hurt bill ripken summer randy milligan orsulak bill ripken milacki horn storm davis craig lefferts heart team intact predicted finish baltimore biased opinion yankees toronto milwaukee detroit boston cleveland higher accident 
belated predictions article pilot organization hoboken lines briefly sleep work pretty players players younger tend explosions numbers mmle years players older levels generally inflated reliable major league stats player 
quick local beat writer dumb article pilot distribution organization hoboken lines realise sarcastic sort things mike lupica daily news pretty funny things shooting columns 
phils immaculate lines organization stevens institute technology ladies gentleman step phils triumphant trip year tonight english mulholland tonight game nice drabek ninja 
quick easy question organization simon fraser university burnaby canada lines easy question baseball city california angels play richard rauser idea rauser worry professional outlaws living remember matter banzai 
finnally phils support nntp posting host vaxc reply organization rochester institute technology phillies picked replied people picked people picked mets year reply yeah true phillies fritz 
quick local beat writer dumb article midway reply uchicago distribution organization university chicago lines article gajarsky njin gajarsky hobokenite writes realise sarcastic sort things mike lupica daily news pretty funny things shooting columns current trends continue florida marlins expansion team outscore opponents runs frank teel mentioned uchicago advice legally sound follow school wind jail standard disclaimers james donald misc legal 
quick easy question organization uiuc department psychology lines rauser richard john rauser writes easy question baseball city california angels play anaheim richard rauser idea rauser worry professional outlaws living remember matter banzai 
trivia question distribution organization winco lines trivia buffs good prior foul bunt rule record foul balls batter total pitches batter pitcher foul bunt rule data nice date location teams bill inel 
baseman reply uchicago organization university chicago distribution lines article horan mark horan writes sandberg particulary stolen bases competition alomar sandberg year ripken year boggs gwynn magicians attention sandberg alomar class worth mediocre numbers count national league pitchers pitchers thomas gonzalez sheffield griffey begin compare ripken boggs gwynn alomar attention sandberg attention rookie year rookie year terrible sophomore year national league pitchers pitchers explains sheffield confusing lower face frank teel mentioned uchicago advice legally sound follow school wind jail standard disclaimers james donald misc legal 
espn expansion organization university mexico albuquerque lines nntp posting host carina article itlm ucdavis donnie trump writes watching peter gammons espn night confused talking expansion started mentioning people benefit fringe players facing mcgriff hitting home runs sheffield glavine winning games reference happened times baseball expanded early late late confused mention players year specifically roger clemens winning games likes mcgwire gonzalez hitting home runs question hell rockies marlins time looked talent jumping leagues miss persist believing peter gammons knowledgable baseball average mailbox overstating gall pitchers year pitch majors year expansion explosive jump offense expansion drafts talent diluted leagues gammons defense talent drain increase credit mentioning jump offense rules season full kurt bose daisy rose kbos page book wally backman leafing copy mets teammate lenny dykstra autobiography nails 
good player shorts idiots guilford organization university otago dunedin zealand nntp posting host thorin otago lines article evsc virginia david robert walker writes jackson jackson looked converted neutral park basis production equivalent average started established seasons level play numbers generated appears neutral park slugging tend drop loses home runs equivalent average thing stats homers expect homers doubles triples parks caught matter expect lots doubles triples speed doubles triples expect risen considerably neutral park good good fact make league dave winfield thomas bonds incroyable tenth roberts season past years carter mattingly felix jose years ahead time raines year average ryan klesko mles felix jose player fairly neutral park offhand guess player close attention media warranted baseball playing hype hitting basis comments overrated media beleive great hitter good good hitter hitter majors note realized media hyped thought viewed football player baseball season winning note harped past mistake made sdcn group respect players deion lofton find large group players past major minor league numbers predict future numbers fairly caveats younger good prediction lower minor league good imagine recent player left college ball prediction involves error player poor dave justice ventura star hitters develop shane mack brian downing oddibe mcdowell mickey brantley error involves real things real reasons oddibe shane involve parks batting coaches wheaties injuries lifting pool players things work pretty reasons predictions accuracy common background players thing professional baseball players spent good deal time playing ball backgrounds similar established encounter player background reason deion lofton tony gwynn ainge background standard model standard assumptions person slowly established sport players established statistics personally lucid individuals continually make completely nonsensical statements deion lofton good great minor league numbers numbers simply lofton suddenly year houston tuscon deion suddenly half year atlanta greenville deion back tank year live poor worse players injuries lifting wheaties model perfect eternal error bill guilford thinks hairy butt ugly 
belated predictions organization western kentucky university bowling green lines article mark singer writes article gajarsky njin gajarsky hobokenite writes braves improve injury javier lopez catcher greg olson ryan klasko firstbaseman bream chipper jones shortstop braves nieves nixon sanders forces play young continue amazed comments lopez catcher olson find totally amazing suggest year seasons professional baseball olson year veteran noted ability call game average talking hitting lopez history baseball year younger rookie catcher compared favorably league catchers terms defense brought ivan rodriguez year batted threw baserunners shabby rookie years year sandy alomar supposed good rookie year benito santiago supposed good rookie year continue thread mentioned point quick dismiss seasoned veterans favor young rookies management team pennant winning braves year rookies majors make impact beastmaster mark singer cabaniss wait till tommy meets lord western kentucky university finds wearing pinstripes opinions contained gaylord perry talking lasorda mine baseball spend 
lefebvre idiot article news organization university illinois urbana lines totally agree point made jose viscaino looked single hitter swings count maddux pitching teams touched ball made lefty righty thing watching cubs games feeling steve stone cubs lefebre harry stated terrible vizcaino wait sandberg returns 
uniforms article usenet organization indiana university lines nntp posting host silver indiana todd karlin writes teams logo minor uniform change season past seasons incredible thoughts reds uniforms remember pete rose rookie card miss guess wearing exact duds mets performance today reinserted mets patch shoulder changed mets insgnia front jersey knowledge time changed reminds dodger logo toronto pittsburgh york change uniforms year year york mets cursive york cursive york caps minor change year york caps toronto blue jays toronto year pittsburgh teams opted return previous style uniform uniforms traditional phillies reds expos white padres bright colors altered gray trend newer baseball fields resembling parks early years opposed cookie cutter saucer stadiums construcrted sixties hate gray color white hate white team versus gray team spring training uniforms salaries reaching unbelievable highs comissioner office inter league play horizon nice baseball meant 
lefebvre idiot article princeto organization princeton university lines originator news nntp posting host phoenix princeton uiuc driftwood writes totally agree point made jose viscaino looked single hitter swings count maddux pitching teams touched ball easy trivia question answer named sandberg grace made lefty righty thing watching cubs games feeling steve stone cubs lefebre harry stated terrible vizcaino wait sandberg returns david nieporent thing wrong theory niepornt stupid stupidest theory heard princeton baltimore orioles dangerous cult batf 
billy cheers baltimore organization johns hopkins univ welch medical library distribution lines article doctor jason abner miller writes orioles texas camden yards april opening batting texas playing base billy ripken hometown crowd gave favorite baseman minute standing ovation billy wearing flashy shades cheers smiling waving consummate role player words caller miller hulett failed receive similar cheers announced courtesy show hulett injured yesterday face ball running bases heard recieving stiches broken nose park fernando warmly received good feel doubts fernando announced miller yesterday young began consecutive game streak time star time time gold glover future hall fame shortsop batting ripken standing lasted seconds billy blargh favorite dumped outstanding ovation return ovations recieved years game compare billy sutcliffe knocked pretty good rangers bottom fourth 
quick local beat writer dumb organization locus computing corporation angeles california lines article gajarsky njin gajarsky hobokenite writes writes dean palmer homers pace home runs shot dodgers inning play committed error rate errors season time warren usui universe scale 
designated hitter rule originator news nntp posting host phoenix princeton organization princeton university lines ekdfc david coons writes ecgillespi bsuvc writes postition paper designated hitter rule information opinions greatly apprecitated ecgillespie magic rescinded rules baseball game teams players rules pretty dumb argument david nieporent thing wrong theory niepornt stupid stupidest theory heard princeton baltimore orioles dangerous cult batf 
rickey henderson organization lines distribution nntp posting host maredsous article msstate jiann ming writes henderson contract groceries season able sign bitching ball player stay school learn 
designated hitter rule lines number players side roster roster ryan robbins penobscot hall university maine maine 
redflops lines knock vaughn spring training hitter regular season hitter games played indication good hitter quality pitching ryan robbins penobscot hall university maine maine 
david wells lines david wells landed team tigers anemic pitching grab pronto 
cleveland tragedy organization ohio state university dept computer info science lines nntp posting host cowardlylion ohio state article lehigh gail fullman writes ojeda career accident haircut meant floating fastball mark atchison graduate student computer science dept ohio state university ohio state university plagiarisms 
pinch hitters denny walling article blue organization department industrial engineering lines rickert rose hulman john rickert thought mota start pinch hitting living depends living year league pinch bats earlier full time player early career year dodgers peak years talking year career outfielder career batting average career hits david tate closes posing opens understands pocket glove deeper pete rose cummings raines soft hands 
marlins marlins article blue organization department industrial engineering lines dwarner indiana caught tail espn report teal bleah combination young faces peeking oversized aqua helmets screams league fibre david tate closes posing opens understands pocket glove deeper pete rose cummings raines soft hands 
uniforms article magnus organization ohio state university lines nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state article bodom indiana odom writes toronto pittsburgh york change uniforms year year york mets cursive york cursive york caps minor change year york caps toronto blue jays toronto year pittsburgh depends uniforms talking couple years toronto pittsburgh uniforms similar home jerseys team nick blue jays pirates road jerseys city toronto pittsburgh teams design uniforms chris 
lose openr home rangers reply hagins organization data general corporation linthicum lines sutcliffe gonzales palmer mills gonzales lose sutcliffe texas lefferts baltimore sutcliffe jody hagins hagins data general corporation linthicum 
logos part summary national league east posted nntp posting host organization math stats dalhousie university halifax canada lines posted logos east teams binaries pictures misc finish series week west darren darren reiniger reiniger arishem centre marine geology dalhousie university halifax canada people generation remind place 
predictions reply kenney ingr organization intergraph corporation huntsville alabama lines thought post predicted standings find posted interesting opening certify completed pitch east york yankees improved team division toronto blue jays stewart morris milwaukee brewers expect baltimore orioles pitching devareaux anderson hoiles drop cleveland indians detroit tigers players fryman year past peak boston team clemens viola beter west division toughest pick pitching minnesota twins young pitchers chance success texas rangers jose canseco chicago white frank thomas pitching oakland larussa manager team close seattle mariners pinella kansas city royals score runs california angels games east montreal expos good wallach louis cardinals jeffries whiten jose clark galarraga pittsburgh pirates youngsters slack expected york mets good players team philadelphia phillies impress florida marlins chicago cubs west teams baseball division atlanta braves awesome starters offense concern cincinnati reds surprise houston astros team signs uribe contend closer diego padres plantier sheffield angeles dodgers pitching giants francisco giants rockies stink colorado rockies seattle mariners nlcs montreal atlanta braves fans contradicting west comment alcs york minnesota world series york montreal hating yankees fashionable barry bonds mcgriff young jose rijo frank thomas deserve fielder young roger clemens deserve david kenney kenney ingr 
disabled list questions organization netcom line communication services guest lines curiousity person person list longer specificed time person months year remember clarification disabled list specifications scotyy scott allen steinbrink cleveland cavaliers finals netcom derich cleveland indians world series digex derich cleveland browns super bowl 
young catchers article blue organization department industrial engineering lines mark singer players make impact bigs played ball irrelevant talking averages lots information player base decisions people feet tall chances manute foot improve writing skills lopez ordinary defensively played level good idea rush braves lineup lopez year adjusting stats park league absolute scale olson berryhill rushing qualitative difference minors majors requires period adjustment waste lopez year good season year good season year excellent season sooner acclimated prime lopez hitting spring training earn chance full time couple starts prove worth sounds pretty good good reasoning play back role start talk point significant sample spring training blockhead manager question minor league numbers real send warmed players ready bigs players ready bigs javy lopez players benefit stagnant hurt playing catchers solid defensively players clubs bigs arguments lopez braves year apply reasoning frank thomas barry bonds players good good year braves catchers demonstrated solid abilities call games work pitchers throw runners demonstrated inabilities soap bubble superstars mind solid experienced veterans superstars stars good players average charitable braves solid lineup bats outfield excellent platoon solid candidate hitting shortstops umm justice fine hitter pendleton year spend season hamstring hell gant question mark bream hunter platoon decent excellent rotten depending blauser valuable shortstop center field platoon good lopez offset differential experience defensive ability wanna difference lopez olson berryhill runs season choice player experience player play time improve playing keith mitchell surprised spell goodness poster thinks lopez held future earning potential counter proposal understand good lopez overvalue experience combination interpretation flattering organization idiots built ballclub argued inflammatory reply deleted david tate closes posing opens understands pocket glove deeper pete rose cummings raines soft hands 
young catchers article blue organization department industrial engineering lines mark singer article genetic david tate writes braves worth playing year lopez worth playing opinion catcher weakest position exception base chance simultaneously replace biggest offensive problem spot average offensive player acclimate highly promising potential star pressure carry team play olson berryhill disagree tangible skill leadership deny real skill catchers nichols catcher defense eerily accurate defensive assessments catchers nichols catcher defensive reputation inversely proportional recent offensive level performance mickey tettleton media defensive whiz slugging thumb finger short years rule apply perceived superstars gold glove offensive transfer effect greg olson considered good defensive catcher precisely catchers interested pitchers eras catchers thing words logic decision make financial stupidity presume feel franchises atlanta fair young players make organizational sense make organizational sense fault decisions business successful make sort argument cases pete rose pursuing cobb record huge gate attraction national media magnet reds made money wasted prime eric davis good business loathe david tate closes posing opens understands pocket glove deeper pete rose cummings raines soft hands 
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lefebvre idiot article shelley dinnm organization university washington lines nntp posting host hardy washington rickc corp richard casares writes article bjgood bsuvc writes wanted lost respect lefebvre today cubs game dishard manager believed managers winning losing mariners heart belongs cubs imagine frustration cubs nabbing lefebvre arhgghrghh john neuharth neuharth washington 
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young catchers article netcom mssc organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article genetic david tate writes mark singer players make impact bigs played ball irrelevant talking averages lots information player base decisions information lopez year adjusting stats park league absolute scale olson berryhill percentage players reach exceed rookie season talking rushing qualitative difference minors majors requires period adjustment waste lopez year good season year good season year excellent season sooner acclimated prime purpose offerman spent acclimated dodgers team paid price season reap benefits road competing pennant lopez hitting spring training earn chance full time couple starts prove worth point significant sample hadn spring training blockhead manager question minor league numbers real send warmed stat head amazed credence spring training notice hits make difference improve playing keith mitchell wait minute missed forget keith mitchell moves improve making direct leap majors player improve sign belong bigs keith mitchell recall stat books handy surprise jumped atlanta returned minors career jeopardy point good moved club step traded moved baseball counter proposal understand good lopez overvalue experience combination interpretation flattering organization cast understand good lopez overvalue experience runs baseball team beastmaster mark singer 
marlins article pollux psiepinnlj distribution world organization university southern california angeles lines nntp posting host pollux article writes watching orioles game yesterday monday report booth runs single happen leadoff knocked happened walt weiss tripled barely inside field line corner driving santiago conine rbis weiss knocked daniel 
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yankkes game closer article netcom rudyc organization home brave lines hope kind junk season article acadiau jason walter works writes yankees game closer east pennant clobbered cleveland fine pitching performance homeruns tartabull baseball season home runs tartabull thinking dean palmer juan gonzalez texas homers homer nokes pick boggs pools tough break couple hits drove couple runs follow yanks mattingly glove abbot young spare 
marlins marlins article lloyd distribution world organization berkeley lines nntp posting host berkeley teal bleah color teal team uniforms indication future marlins dire trouble refer jose sharks proof hope marlins member rene lachemann club oakland coliseum deep respect walt weiss franchise class yeah designed uniforms guilty paucity style imagination ugghh lloyd nebres berkeley internet lloyd berkeley underestimate bandwidth carrying roms 
young catchers article organization cornell univ dept ithaca lines article mark singer writes speculation lopez produce proven veterans speculation matter founded speculation proven veterans produce lopez speculation make difference speculation founded braves catching agree change minds call lopez good point speculation safer reversed cheers valentine 
call votes dtbl vote article ucdavis distribution organization harold brooks sour soup club lines regular season davis tabletop baseball league year league couple minutes vote league winners awards players standings inflate salaries year league vote category order barry bonds frank thomas biff pocoroba shooty babitt lips lundy vote pitchers voting league team league candidate defensive position listed applicable abbreviation performance excellent good average poor poor reply april record season games long candidates griffey emartinez sandberg ventura mcgriff mcgwire ralomar dykstra butler deer bonds hrbek jgonzalez players missed time injuries avoid possibility injury players list team candidate players played games traded teams games left time span pitchers dmartinez dibble rijo mussina benes khill smoltz cone drabek tewksbury clemens tomlin farr curt schilling threw perfect game year hill threw hitter dibble pitched scoreless innings start year choke games cost perot giant sucking sounds playoff spot stats players request time reply gary huckabay kevin kerr feldstein living argument love huge existence parallel quoting lines universes consecutive posts david zavatson mein schatz soweit unsere liebe vorbei 
young catchers article news organization biochemistry lines nntp posting host bruchner biochem duke responsible divergent threads approx posts back braves injury inject fuel flame back beginning spring training lopez make squad easily olson recovering late season injury knee questions able play june berryhill dinged forward lopez field position season braves defensive catcher prospect brian deak braves offensive catcher prospect olson berryhill cardboard walk olson recovered quickly berryhill recovered braves vets start season back logic keeping olson berryhill catchers short supply suffer wear tear teams average catcher california seattle mind move olson berryhill waivers work salary huge tiddleywinks olson berryhill recall arbitration eligibility role play year players eligible arbitration roster longest eligible system change extent change business standpoint make sense lopez june time olson berryhill disappointed lopez team prefer braves truth team field includes lopez today play cubs schuerholz conversation imagine remember meant read humor impaired jones fielding smoother blauser fielding schuerholz send nieves deion sign baseball contract count october nixon defense gorman ready give billy hatcher hatcher deion signs move nixon frankie rodriguez give pitching depth nice deion sign nieves justice starts berry berry back problems klesko schuerholz fork bream klesko lose money cabrera dangling front maxwell jeffries jose whiten clark brian jordan whitey herzog switched bodies winter meetings bream wait trading deadline hunter klesko platoon extra bats cabrera wait california snow starts slowly whiteydal bite work knees persuaded schuerholz caraballo lemke starts richmond start walking arbitration eligible stretch makes bucks schuerholz leaves lopez noo gotta lopez olson recover quickly talk caminiti running schuerholz nope lopez gotta million arbitration extra year olson shown stuff trade berryhill left handed hitter rare left handed whiffer pretty common made borders good world series borders schuerholz write lopez lineup jeff reardon thought lopez pitching staff stuff time spring looked pretty good surely stiff plate schuerholz yeah stiff whichever hurt made point surely june latest call lopez games pennant world series john mcgraw casey stengel earl weaver laughed toronto deal george bell finally reward schuerholz easy bobby taking happy pills left chuck tanner hire eric roush fierkelab bchm biochem duke marxist groucho sort grafitti paris tanstaafl internet close 
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cubs marlins article mnemosyn organization university denver dept math comp lines noticed fashionable predict marlines finish ahead cubs base grace destrade destrade coming cecil fielder doubt destrade performs height expectations edge cubs base sandberg barberie contest sandberg back edge cubs edge shortstop vizcaino weiss vizcaino excellent defensively automatic weiss stick base dave magadan buechelle magadan higher hitter buechelle power defensively edge florida catcher santiago wilkins wilkins santiago edge marlins left field conine maldonado yesterday conine potential watched play omaha couple years proves give maldonado edge position florida player huge year center scott pose wilson edge wilson cubs save wilson pinch running griffey homers plays full time felix sosa felix jose occasional power sosa sosa speed good glove edge cubs starters aquino armstrong hammond starters cubs remind brave staff morgan castillo guzman hibbard average marline edge cubs middle relief cubs decent middlemen marlins carpenter klink decent assenmacher mcelroy closer healthy harvey edge marlins meyers decent harvey cubs games save saves blown meyers saves blown harvey edge florida edge chicago teams threaten msilverm cubs likes freedom baseball geddy 
dodgers move article pony organization ingres corporation subsidiary group lines article tparker ucar parker writes buddy dodgers moved year moved dodgers year 
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robbie stadium baseball article organization case western reserve university lines nntp posting host student cwru article iacs kevin mundstock writes iacs kevin mundstock subject robbie stadium baseball date notice words baseball printed picture robbie stadium opening season preview section today reason assume words picture seats baseball games picture diamond stadium relation areas marked baseball seats terrible watching baseball happen reach post season imagine opening seats surely worry future lubchansky cwru champion people loser treat scorn sugary condiments secure initial pleasure fermented grain decidedly parsimonious time 
lifetime record baseball history article alleg organization allegheny college lines article cecce writes speaking marlins winning opener based lifetime percentage games record baseball history record guess forced yankees hand blue jays hmm tony blue jays hell yankees remember yankees record team 
yankkes game closer article alleg organization allegheny college lines article acadiau jason walter works writes yankees game closer east pennant clobbered cleveland fine pitching performance homeruns tartabull baseball season homer nokes pick boggs pools tough break couple hits drove couple runs follow yanks beat coming team youngsters indians yankees games division yanks mattingly glove abbot young jason jason yankee game night cleveland stadium happy cleveland team lost severalrs coming team excuse average abbot melido perez bold prediction herot place season mike lurie speaks world listens 
yankee meditations article alleg organization allegheny college lines realize yankees paying matt nokes dollars year geesh maas yankees yankees snow yankee rookie year 
robbie stadium baseball article alleg organization allegheny college lines article iacs kevin mundstock writes notice words baseball printed picture robbie stadium opening season preview section today reason answer simple create feeling park seats folded back baseball games words 
mile high runs article master innh reply rickert rose hulman john rickert organization computer science department rose hulman lines nntp posting host nextwork rose hulman runs scored denver idea runs scored mile high stadium years bears zephyrs tenure american association total runs scored game zephyrs games league games ratio found ratios year ratio hrpg ratio pretty clear denver large effect runs scored stick prediction year year fairly large effect homeruns apparently large atlanta wrigley cincinnati diego pretty decent home park john rickert rickert rose hulman 
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marlins marlins article midway reply uchicago organization university chicago lines article lloyd berkeley lloyd nebres writes teal bleah color teal team uniforms indication future marlins dire trouble refer jose sharks proof hope marlins member rene lachemann club oakland coliseum deep respect walt weiss franchise class yeah designed uniforms guilty paucity style imagination ugghh child marlins uniforms helmets shine nicely make frank teel mentioned uchicago advice legally sound follow school wind jail standard disclaimers james donald misc legal 
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young catchers article blue organization department industrial engineering lines mark singer article genetic david tate writes mark singer players make impact bigs played ball irrelevant talking averages lots information player base decisions information personally clay posted shows lopez good nieves year numbers line previous years access point remains knowing minor league history good knowing major league history read lopez year adjusting stats park league absolute scale olson berryhill percentage players reach exceed rookie season talking projection equivalence year major league terms rating essence reached guess clay essentially half players surpass previous mles rookie seasons half players young improving purpose offerman spent acclimated dodgers team paid price season offerman difference place place reap benefits road competing pennant suppose gutted farm system acquire bell spike owen contention point significant sample hadn spring training blockhead manager question minor league numbers real send warmed stat head amazed credence spring training read wrote amazed claim credence spring training contrary lopez bozos credence spring training interpret failure spring training numbers meaningless bobby case ruling explanation sending lopez improve playing keith mitchell wait minute missed keith mitchell majors season poorly year david tate closes posing opens understands pocket glove deeper pete rose cummings raines soft hands 
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young catchers organization university virginia lines discussion mark singer david tate valentine weighing side dave times opinion fwiw mark matter ability untried rookie great minor league numbers veteran proven average care plays sandy alomar decent minor league numbers grossly inflated general vegas projected average major league hitter good catcher admit santiago numbers sandy league data check agree sending lopez richmond start season shows minor league season poorly lopez real olson berryhill complete mediocrities catchers catchers essentially average hitters equivalent averages prior levels belongs braves reasonable chance lopez year fluke alomar santiago year level satisfy standards evidence javier lopez similar note understand people supportive neon deion granted thought behavior mccarver year completely bush year time place lines hard read combined minor league play speed valuable young monster year total major minor major league average average year shown potential make hitters league full seasons reaching prime season considered legitimate prospect simple side show attraction deion sanders clay 
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reds sleeves uniforms article cbnewse organization lines article snichols sherri nichols writes article fierkelab biochem duke eric roush writes person thinks reds sleeveless uniforms ugly reason west uniforms deciding factor pennant races pirates ugliest uniforms yellow sherri nichols snichols vote indians uniforms boog powell felt blood clot rich barry barry 
yogi isms reply iacs oswego kevin mundstock organization instructional computing center suny oswego oswego lines article mbstultz bsuvc writes interesting quote bill veek nigger field josh gibson minimum yogi berras speaking yogi good yogi isms mike curious george stultz remember sort yogi asleep hotel room late night call answers phone person asks woke yogi yogi answered phone kevin 
predictions reply iacs oswego kevin mundstock organization instructional computing center suny oswego oswego lines running wild predictions decided fuel fire normal albeit small surprises american league east york yankees baltimore orioles toronto blue jays cleveland indians boston milwaukee brewers detroit tigers american league west minnesota twins kansas city royals texas rangers chicago white oakland athletics seattle mariners california angels kirby puckett young kevin appier rookie year salmon manager year buck showalter comeback player year ozzie guillen national league east louis cardinals philadelphia phillies montreal expos york mets chicago cubs pittsburgh pirates florida marlins national league west atlanta braves cincinnati reds houston astros angeles dodgers francisco giants diego padres colorado rockies barry larkin young john smoltz rookie year cordero manager year torre comeback player year eric davis champions louis cardinals champions minnesota twins world champions louis cardinals louis picks heart brain division lose braves nlcs braves series minnesota stick cards kevin 
robbie stadium baseball reply iacs oswego kevin mundstock organization instructional computing center suny oswego oswego lines notice words baseball printed picture robbie stadium opening season preview section today reason noticed nolan ryan timeline preview rickey henderson nolan strikeout pitched hitter oakland game made rickey henderson nolan pitched hitter stole base overshadowed nolan publicity rickey expense rickey deserves agrees great players nolan outclassed rickey playing importantly attitude thoughts kevin 
young catchers organization adobe systems incorporated lines article genetic david tate writes rushing qualitative difference minors majors requires period adjustment waste lopez year good season year good season year excellent season sooner acclimated prime player rushed majors argument sake define rushed brought majors coffee prior younger performing expectations career damaged rushing tend agree david bringing player sooner players theory work prefer players years minor league stats important distinguish players legitimately careers minor league numbers projected opposed players hyped failed careers line minor league numbers kick player rushed damage career bell major leagues performed expect numbers season year underperformed year performance improved everyday shortstop hard staying minor league performed time rushed cleveland suppose give bring player early struggle delay time stops struggling starts performing expectations sherri nichols snichols 
cubs game april article netcom rudyc organization home brave lines article jclark ohiou michael clark writes otis nixion lined single left outs breaking hitter cubs hitter jose guzman takes beat braves year smoltz pitching line hits walks loss 
players rushed majors article wilbur lines snichols sherri nichols writes player rushed majors argument sake define rushed brought majors coffee prior younger performing expectations career damaged rushing tend agree players hurt early play leagues braves organization fertile ground test hypothesis talent roster time steve avery rushed majors fared poorly initial campaign subsequent pitching affected rookie year bill james pointed unusual struggle rebound horner rushed majors arizona state directly good numbers immediately ages people pete smith craig mcmurty derek lilliquist braves pitching staffs rushed lilliquist smith struggled hurt overhyped recall pitching initially stats handy douglas bone internet bone stanford standard disclaimers bitnet bone luciano stanford apply uucp ucbvax luciano sierra stanford bone 
rickey henderson nntp posting host isis msstate organization mississippi state university distribution lines article todd rader writes stay school learn learn million dollars money rickey henderson career baseball baseball making money understand athlete plays sport living millions dollars paid sign price hurting remeber athletes athletic ability paid hard working citizens complaining problem making millions problem paid million numbers worse 
ngels article pollux psvouinna distribution world organization university southern california angeles lines nntp posting host pollux angels home opener brewers today anaheim stadium hitter mark langston snow gary discarcina home runs angels daniel 
young catchers news software vnews reply mebonar sncc organization news nntp posting host nntpd sncc lines mark singer catchers solid defensively players clubs bigs arguments lopez braves year braves catchers demonstrated solid abilities call games work pitchers throw runners crux argument sdcn sdcn camps agree fact catcher defense basically nonmeasurable present talk important calling game framing pitches blocking balls dirt catcher rank defense lopez specifically reason suspect defensive catcher fact braves media labeled defensive catcher problem mechanics sasser rough edges blocking ball framing pitch good call clear playing practice time repetitions reps majors left calling game aspect olsen berryhill credit calling good games helping pitchering staff reputation veteran catchers catching lopez learn major league pitching staff catcher learn glavine pitches catch glavine similarly supprised pitcher claimed prefer pitching olsen pitching lopez pitching olsen time comfortable lopez lopez learn handle major league pitcher glaring problem mechanics learn learn majors dave dave bonar mebonar sncc 
picks comment organization computer science department rose hulman lines distribution reply rickert rose hulman john rickert nntp posting host nextwork rose hulman article msstate jackie russell writes paul galvanek writes year shot picking winners losers skip commentary picked finish lack time flame wars kansas city shot division bottom word cone things tremendously mark word offense makes pick policy picking buck rodgers team florida chicago dont expansion team finished year hasnt happened cubs worse angels game athletics expansion senators finished tied colt finshed ahead cubs mets royals finshed ahead white pilots mariners finished ahead athletics apparently expansion team poor chicago team good thing national league west cincinnati houston atlanta argh dead wrong yankees team nicely setup years years braves star team able beat comparison yankees finshed finshing games finished games great teams lose play season hand picking braves john rickert rickert rose hulman predictions marlins wins rockies wins rockies fans claim offense adequate 
lefebvre idiot nntp posting host krill corp organization silicon graphics lines article bjgood bsuvc writes wanted lost respect lefebvre today cubs game dishard wait dunston leadoff spot manager believed managers winning losing rick 
lefebvre idiot nntp posting host krill corp organization silicon graphics lines article uiuc driftwood writes totally agree point made jose viscaino looked single hitter swings count maddux pitching teams touched ball made lefty righty thing watching cubs games feeling steve stone cubs lefebre harry stated terrible vizcaino wait sandberg returns steve stone prophet making boradcoast booth understand back game called sosa homerun claimed game extra innings score yesterday notices sosa ahead count maddux fastball situation sosa spot maddux throws straight change sosa ahead pops infield stoney cubs manager rick 
young catchers rsmith olivetti russ smith organization olivetti cupertino lines article mark singer writes keith mitchell recall stat books handy surprise jumped atlanta returned minors career jeopardy point good moved club step traded moved baseball methinks recall wrong mitchell close atlanta continued walk alot promotion left playoff roster started year minors braves underperformed back struggled year doubt braves blamed part demotion mitchell mark whiten cards russ smith george gervin assistant coach 
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designated hitter rule reply wayne wayne hathaway organization ultra network technologies lines ekdfc david coons rules baseball game teams players niepornt princeton david marc nieporent rules pretty dumb argument mind boggled rule book david post wording rule mightily curious wayne hathaway domain wayne ultra network technologies uucp ames ultra wayne daggett drive phone jose 
camden yards organization athena design lines nntp posting host poseidon athena fortunate tickets orioles game baltimore saturday july park wondering give pointers good tips helpful place enjoy moment spent instance time gates open orioles appreciated advance respond mail address half months psyched 
rickey henderson organization stanford university distribution lines michael jackson jack nicholson bill cosby making money entertainers point care salary fact live america entitled legally obtain sandy alderson haas family willingly negotiate salary million year rickey care goat bullshit spouted spring training play hard hurt place appreciated quote chronicle week camp strongly suggests year ownership kiss butt ante money sake rickey signed contract years honor play steve garvey hated signature piece paper shut mouth played hard contract matt bohnert 
david wells nntp posting host troi rochester organization university rochester rochester lines article carrd decnet writes david wells landed team tigers anemic pitching grab pronto 
seer stephenson picks east summary division birds keywords chance foolishness article pegasus steph organization university illinois dept comp urbana lines completely time prophesies predictions qualifications worse finishes year prediction contest east baltimore orioles orioles pondered long hard blue jays wrong direction bring pick yankees milwaukee fluke indians ready contend year detroit pitching definition replacement level orioles matter fact team american league winning division paper exception yankees hate body pick orioles brady anderson repeat basing orioles prediction expectation years ripken glenn davis glenn davis insane strong points hoiles ripken years olson billy ripken weak points segui start valenzuela original starter oates puts hitters bottom lineup calculated maneuver minimize effect slumping ripken move ripken spot move rest line good sign glenn davis wins comeback player year sign tight pennant race team trades pecota obprediction streak continues harold reynolds leads team caught stealing york yankees strong points abbot perez pitching american league boggs improve hayes weak points mattingly considered hitter steinbrenner factor yankees lost mets wholesale count rookie pitchers wickman millitello division good sign boggs hits sign howe arrested obprediction mattingly toronto blue jays strong points management make deals management eerie power convince teams prospects suspects olerud guzman alomar weak points jackson bell trade shaken faith gillick losing stewart hurt rotation sign outfield base pitching thin guzman ward good sign jack morris considered young contender august sign club makes major deals august obprediction morris post whip totals year losing record milwaukee brewers strong points pitching staff exceptional year weak points molitor surhoff eldred good sign listach eldred play year sign bones plays year obprediction surhoff finish year cleveland indians strong points baerga belle nagy weak points pitching staff thin losing olin hurts starts felix fermin good sign bielecki consistent atlanta starts sign power bullpen obprediction alomar back star break boston strong points clemens viola clemens detroit clemens weak points incompetent baseball free agent signing andre dawson burks hatcher center good sign rainouts clemens starts sign clemens obprediction russell make fans forget reardon interpret detroit tigers strong points tettleton phillips whitaker weak points fielder declining shortstop year worst rotation baseball replaced necessarily year ugly good sign cecil fielder deserving sign cecil fielder whining deserving obprediction cecil lead league rbis division dale stephenson steph uiuc baseball fanatic considered good wise overburdened information golden kimball 
rockies rookies article pegasus steph organization university illinois dept comp urbana lines uiuc daniel brian lake writes expansion team filled young murphy galaragga smith depends veterans cheap perform higher level young talent talent develop minors giving fans familiar names cheer veterans year renegade front office people denver open question important expansion clubs expansion draft regular draft dale stephenson steph uiuc baseball fanatic considered good wise overburdened information golden kimball 
cubs marlins article agate organization university california berkeley lines nntp posting host garnet berkeley gajarsky njin writes morgan guzman higher year cubs idiots pitch harkey hibbard castillo good stud pitcher season morgan guzman helped lead cubs rotation atlanta cubs braves early season cubs fans learned enjoy short triumph 
giants quinn genius article pegasus steph organization university illinois dept comp urbana lines schroeder writes stanford nelson writes time span braves developed john smoltz glavine steve avery david justice gant jeff blauser avery phillies jeff blauser avery pick braves mark lewis john smoltz braves tigers developed braves jeff blauser player dale stephenson steph uiuc baseball fanatic considered good wise overburdened information golden kimball 
record baseball organization homewood academic computing johns hopkins university baltimore lines distribution expires nntp posting host jhunix summary teams cubs record baseball back admiral steve admiral steve internet address admiral commander chief security division club earth chapter president earth chapter club founded april world champions baltimore orioles series yards stanley champions washington capitals committee liberation intergration terrifying organisms rehabilitation society problem abbreviation clitoris polymorph episode dwarf bangles greatest female rock band existed brought frungy sport kings drilling holes head answer mccoy susanna hoffs nice comment flanagan club creating largest signatures past months 
players rushed majors admiral steve expires distribution organization homewood academic computing johns hopkins university baltimore summary nntp posting host jhunix lines call rushed mcdonald time minors balls seams large gave mcdonald blisters forcing times learning majors gregg wild thing olson mike deserved young mussina spend time minors read pitchers time minors admiral steve reliving sept admiral steve internet address admiral commander chief security division club earth chapter president earth chapter club founded april world champions baltimore orioles series yards stanley champions washington capitals committee liberation intergration terrifying organisms rehabilitation society problem abbreviation clitoris polymorph episode dwarf bangles greatest female rock band existed brought frungy sport kings drilling holes head answer mccoy susanna hoffs nice comment flanagan club creating largest signatures past months 
marlin fans derby expires organization virginia commonwealth university keywords summary marlin fans lines watching dodgers marlins game yesterday couple things impressed shining miami summer atmosphere early spring baseball comparison wrigley field early april wintry dead bundled fans important fans gals admit football enjoy baseball interesting fans accustomed miami dolphins cheering thought playoffs opening feeling electricity lacking baseball fans cities baseball charge hope expansion teams bring back excitement find friday denver bronco fans respond phillies opportunity passes 
homeruns derby expires organization virginia commonwealth university lines personally forget mike schmidt home expos decided east career high home thought totally incredible alcs angles boston strike pennant baylor strike pitch home incredible turn events baseball pennant thing mets speaking mets strange nlcs year astros mirrored nlcs phillies astros painfully close admit 
florida sucks derby expires organization virginia commonwealth university lines talk phillies winning east scary scary wrong phillies late year looked helpless funny thing injuries spring training basically killed chances forget dykstra wrist injury game 
phillies deja derby expires organization virginia commonwealth university keywords phillies summary phillies lines reading local paper today found phillies started season heard talk choke phillies season ahead cardinals games season august managed lose bunch cardinals division games ahead lost hope season 
notes jays indians series distribution organization data general corporation research triangle park lines article tedward cornell edward fischer writes article rudy rudy wade writes article niguma gord niguma writes reference history season basemen history good season alomar year measure popularity toronto count basing statement baerga flash alomar hitter year batters baerga alomar fascinating alomar hitter year immediately follow numbers showing baerga year category shows advantage alomar 
tiger stadium organization mead data central dayton lines distribution world nntp posting host taurus meaddata tiger stadium seating chart brian curran mead data central brian asked catch temperature carlton fisk chicago white catcher playing degree april ball game 
phillies deja organization university missouri posted mizzou missouri nntp posting host columbia lines article derby writes reading local paper today found phillies started season heard talk choke phillies season ahead cardinals games season august managed lose bunch cardinals division games ahead lost hope season shannon cardinals kohl 
braves pitching updatedir lines nntp posting host acad drake organization drake university moines iowa article dave naehring writes article snichols sherri nichols writes single piece evidence find points major league baseball offense defense scored important prevented passes common sense test statistical evidence percent defense pitching percent fielding sherri data find fascinating scored important prevented penny saved penny earned cliches point braves starters able live potential offensive support realize staff leaves bosox dust legitimate comparison young winners pitchers team league kill starter quality pitchers mound teams score runs team scores runs wins puts team pitching advantage providing stop opposing team scoring runs scoring game benefit braves scoring games excellent pitching average hitting flip side starting lineup great offensive players arguing team great pitchers advantage simply outscore opponent games knight putting runs scoreboard assemble quality pitchers braves offense strong dave sherri nichols snichols 
tigers organization organized lines distribution nntp posting host minerva yale reply ryan kearns message woof woof david shapiro people call monkey felt shapiro david piano back winter long shapiro yale piano back trombone stan belinda 
cards mailing list distribution organization hewlett packard lines count interested cardinal mailing list finds starts dick detweiler rdetweil 
cubs expos roster questions article reply alird oscs montana organization montana state university lines article cvadrnlh csupomona writes today cubs activated mike harkey move make room harkey delino deshields john wetteland expos give info poly pomona wetteland effective march rick 
tigers organization university rochester rochester lines nntp posting host troi rochester article wynblatt sunysb michael wynblatt writes weird thing leading ninth sparky closer henneman tigers relievers rested sparky trust wanted henneman work tigers days 
phillies sign mark davis organization lehigh university lines salary wait clear waivers davis paid clubs year phils responsbible wait clear waivers clubs interested gamble royals skeptical pitched winter ball pitched omaha pitch acceptably majors atlanta stats impressed year saves diego pitch awful year young year 
florida sucks organization lehigh university lines article derby writes talk phillies winning east scary scary wrong phillies late year looked helpless funny thing injuries spring training basically killed chances forget dykstra wrist injury game game 
players rushed majors organization holos software lines article hanson hanson writes didn horner straight arizona state univ atlanta braves remember great month hitting dingers heard japan month short career compared expected highly touted prospect injury prone overweight work ethic suffer rushed bigs reed holos software voice domain uucp uucp 
fernandez nntp posting host chopin organization propulsion laboratory distribution lines read morning fernandez left nights game stiffness shoulder information extent injury weather cold colorado joints stiff miller disclaimer nasa opinions strictly spent year philadelphia sunday wcfields 
yankkes game closer organization engineering automation lines nntp posting host kerr dseg article carleton ralph timmerman writes carleton ralph timmerman subject yankkes game closer date previous article acadiau jason walter works yankees game closer east pennant clobbered cleveland fine pitching performance homeruns tartabull baseball season homer nokes pick boggs pools tough break couple hits drove couple runs follow yanks beat coming team youngsters indians yankees games division yanks mattingly glove abbot young jason read drivel times season spare check facts post ralph timmerman life baseball carleton read ralph play traffic work kevin kerr kkerr dseg president north texas programmers users group yankees dolphins strolling cyberspace sniffing electric wind 
organization brigham young university lines make aware winning west atlanta braves lead wire wire games houston astros percentage points ahead unbeatable braves astros byron native texan stuck utah 
standings scores organization enterprises sports division major league baseball dept lines distribution world nntp posting host monsoon berkeley standings scores thursday april including yesterday games national west lost streak home road houston astros atlanta braves lost francisco giants lost angeles dodgers lost colorado rockies lost diego padres lost cincinnati reds lost national east philadelphia phillies pittsburgh pirates louis cardinals york mets chicago cubs montreal expos lost florida marlins american west lost streak home road texas rangers lost california angels oakland athletics lost seattle mariners chicago white minnesota twins lost kansas city royals lost american east boston york yankees toronto blue jays lost detroit tigers cleveland indians lost milwaukee brewers lost baltimore orioles yesterday scores idle teams listed alphabetical order national league american league houston baltimore montreal texas pittsburgh seattle diego toronto chicago cleveland atlanta boston cincinnati california philadelphia milwaukee york kansas city colorado york florida minnesota francisco chicago rain louis detroit idle angeles oakland idle joseph hernandez rams lakers jtchern berkeley kings dodgers raiders jtcent berkeley angels clippers 
boog powell camden yards lines article mark balboni borders blasphemy vesterman 
lines article sean garrison article rvesterm wrote pitchers game promotes pitchers duels vesterman basis make statement sean pitchers pinch pitcher cranking stay game cranking pitchers duel team extra vesterman 
ugliest swing lines article kiviat navy brian kiviat hotdogish leans plate watch pitches pitch make ball lean call ball unbiased opinion mileage vary rickey agreat player watch forget time batters lean pitches rickey crouch exaggerate great player watch forget unbiased hmm vesterman 
aguilera cardiac arrest organization purdue university lines article wagner loren wagner writes article bergerson writes davis back amazing thing years closer twins thought find daybell wagner ninth lead runs score runners throws drive waayy back puckett wall leaps caught ball catch kirby twins save line walks hits robbed home paul 
kevin rogers organization university california berkeley lines nntp posting host garnet berkeley rogers batter lefty bullpen dusty trusts rogers final ballgame beck unavailable couple saves kevin regular rotation falters rogers candidate start dave burba emergency start steven 
torre worst manager organization georgia institute technology lines torre worst manager baseball sunday game hander pitching decides bench lankform left handed hitter play jordan gilkey handers ninth inning bases loaded outs puts lankford hitter power pinch runner luis alicea hitter power pinch hitter hell thinking earlier game interview acquiring mark whiten commented fortunate cardinals whiten whiten regular meant gilkey hurt torre gilkey coming bench gilkey year start starting team league sundays game lankford thrown plate replay showed bucky dent base coach line waving lankford home anymore brian distressed cardinal brian landmann georgia institute technology internet gatech 
brien taylor organization university virginia lines year brein taylor ball tampa florida state league began year albany george rush allowed progress rate bronx real thing jonathan alboum 
wfan organization university virginia lines listen wfan talking sports radio staion york clear night signal reaches east coast berman mike lupica show school virginia listen wondering jonathan alboum steve sommers hours night chief rangers round pretty neat shmoozing 
orioles phillies keywords orioles phillies baltimore philadelphia boston bosox organization university waterloo distribution lines send ticket ordering information teams baltimore philadelphia boston home schedule dates home games july sept games promotion nights special discount nights opponents games reply account reply ronc canada database technology associate development analyst astelletto line internal mail 
pleasant yankee surprises reply bprisco organization lehman brothers lines article upenn sepinwal upenn alan sepinwall writes pleasant surprises tartabull book tartabull healthy produce homers solo shots rbis cleanup supposed give slow start year turned wrecking crew series alan april bats claim slack danny produce year scary produce stay healthy year yanks year good starting rotation good bullpen good defense good lineup buck showalter frank howard good move sounds good yanks stay healthy good chance winning pennant watching yanks bobby 
predictions laugh summary long organization cornell univ dept ithaca lines oops file year thought enjoy thoughts predictions made date largely order june tedward cornell computed expected winning percentage team total bases runs allowed basic formula pythagorean projection compare actual winning percentage stats june team diff baltimore boston toronto york milwaukee detroit cleveland minnesota oakland texas chicago california kansas city seattle things turned orioles yankees disappeared jays tigers continued essentially expected pace brewers indians cranked half rangers predictably dive surprised predicted mariners dropped angels royals deserve record june white upped game twins dropped part things expected blatant errors predictive calculation thought pretty cavgeoe yale braves insert kent mercker starting rotation year bielecki traded released brandt starter bullpen baseball pena berenguer stanton wohlers freeman pete smith spot starts pete smith made rotation mercker bielecki released year comment bullpen jeff reardon blauser wins starting shortstop outright bream klesko nice hitting honeymoon gregg jefferies platooning hunter mitchell wins center field star break nixon stays valuable pinch runner lonnie released braves find taker trade blauser wrong bream mitchell early lonnie bielecki pick sanders managers fired year chronological order fregosi showalter valentine riddoch showalter stick mattel auto trol mattel trol bonds traded bucs young talent nope division shot playoffs mets division finish atlanta repeats west yankees surprise finish toronto nope dwight gooden wins surpassed saberhagen wins guess picked mets roger clemens injured early season nice predict strawberry fails home runs injured dodgers drop race response tedward hmph mets mind make counter predictions follow mets pittsburgh montreal mets finished pirates expos yankees offense pitching flounders dropping fourth place east boston wins games division pennant world series half dead half umm easy dwight gooden rushes comeback blown july saberhagen runs record wfan criticizes mets giving great talent jefferies solid year predictions gooden saberhagen reversed close jefferies wfan criticized jefferies trade roger clemens wins games close cigar article amit likhyani writes excerpts netnews sport baseball east smiley trade cavgeoe yale projected hojo streak naked forbes avenue hojo muster wrong projection predictions introduction navarra acns tedward cornell care prediction posterity predict mark grace rbis mind impossible type batting dawson kills rallies finish mark driven year mark batting primarily worse year average wise batting year predict back previous standards stretch statheads lucky grace didn dawson entire season finished rbis uchicago ballsy prediction mark mcgwire year nope slowed injury finished reach ballsy prediction nonetheless ecaxron lerc nasa baltimore fade division year finish games find prospect orioles winning easier comprehend offense pitching good division offer orioles finished games mussina chance relief starts division worth darn finish minimum fifteen games tribe reason watch baltimore year waste games rest division brewers forgot rest division mediocre yankees indians wins trailed wins horrible games djohnson uwaterloo david johnson date jays cinch clinch milwaukee threat baltimore toronto cinch game lead games jays talented team east good average manager bigger lead orioles play baseball rest season king ucsd article write indians season prediction cleveland indians games year stvjas wisc jose rijo young award healthy thought steal base risk injury young maddux surprised orioles games years pitching staff team years necessarily years long time verify wait long games year league start mcdonald challenge title years victories year challenge finish leaders leaders season count pitcher hyped decent starter year consistent year phillies give fewer walks bullpen coach ryan predicting give team time adjust radical change fine pitching staff steal miller pittsburg white problem honestly totals year ricky jordan starts games hitting spot lineup spot lineup good hitters applies years good billy ripken good waiting check panix spira matter gorman scouts paul quantrill adequate major league starter starting pitcher strike innings successful majors current plans quantrill long relief rubber unusual delivery decent role lyle purdue frank thomas morris division winners east baltimore orioles west chicago white pennant chicago white east louis cardinals west cincinatti reds pennant cincinatti reds champion cincinatti reds wrong morris favorites tedward belle walk times belle walks belle year walking times intentional exaggerate jhuapl sign wallet welded shut outgoing money wide open incoming cash prediction make note valentine jacobs defer negotiations ripken contract season give opportunity stats tumble year pace coming offer claims designed strength feeling foot left center canyon power stats hard credibly offer million year star game gold glove shortstop baseball deity easier offer similar salary declining average shortstop career year full season match numbers faced huge expensive problem sign sign remember correctly hefty contract weak season finally jpalmer generally expansion mediocre talent hanging make expansion teams younger talent build teams specific predictions april acker cory snider selling aluminum siding snyder acker charlie kerfeld vance lovelace presently tiger leaguers playing professional ball majors dave rozema keeping shape hope shot expansion heard shawn hare jody hurst major leagues outfielders tiger minor league system majors hassey minor league manager yankees dunno happened balboni stuck minors jackson starter raines gary huckaby moved alaska permanently dave kirsch return canada live listening valentine 
found secret organization cornell univ dept ithaca lines place games season wins clemens viola clemens starts tonight days rest rotation hesketh relief night cheers valentine wrong scored runs games week reach trouble fluke 
braves pitching updatedir organization department industrial engineering lines drake article snichols sherri nichols writes single piece evidence find points major league baseball offense defense scored important prevented scored important prevented penny saved penny earned cliches cliche unlike comments tautology needn true pitcher baseball essentially quality variance pitching ability smaller variance batting ability scoring runs important preventing simply ability actively prevent runs weaker point braves starters able live potential offensive support point fact pitching defense championships pitching essence baseball claiming point true quality pitchers mound teams score runs team scores runs wins accuse sherri mouthing cliches puts team pitching advantage providing stop opposing team scoring runs scoring game benefit braves clear true high scoring games team offense wins high percentage time scoring games split essentially team ability scoring games excellent pitching average hitting flip side starting lineup great offensive players arguing team great pitchers thought pitching defense championships pitching essence baseball david tate dtate quick member orsa tims sabr hands soft discerning denver call slugger catullus galarraga compare mattingly 
notes jays indians series distribution organization department industrial engineering lines substituting irony brains bruce klopfenstein dtate david tate writes left rbis comparing alomar individual baerga individual individual stats count forgot runs scored players stealing home count forgot barring base fraction runs solo runs scored happened players base batter good phrase happened advisedly lots people figure players ability turn notch clutch situations found evidence ability measurable extent clutch hitters people tend things base rbis proportional teammates obliged position mistake agree david tate dtate quick member orsa tims sabr hands soft discerning denver call slugger catullus galarraga compare mattingly 
spanky released keywords organization colorado huckabay kiteball campaign committee lines article william pollak writes deletions spanky good defensively anymore offensive liability judging outburst winter bucs failed sign drabek jerk head sand tommy prince hand paper simmons citing case pagnozzi minors majors suddenly learned geez slipped drink comparing prince pagnozzi offensively laughable prince minors years pagnozzi hitter minors bring numbers tomorrow assuming brain cramp forget good year louisville coming majors recall hype pagnozzi coming organization good decent fielding majors expected playing time exhibit nichols catcher defense reputation outstanding defensive catcher clear learned years born july year power league average walks peak year turned declining invoke pagnozzi model prince prince underperformed pagnozzi minors rosy picture unhappy moving zeile reputation coming cardinal organization pagnozzi hitter average hitter average fielder average hitter average average fielding catcher harold harold brooks hbrooks atmos uiuc national severe storms laboratory norman work brewery drink bavasi maxvill view florida east 
players rushed majors news software vnews nntp posting host pavo concordia organization concordia university lines missed original post expos rushing alomost entire team year montreal geez expos rank salary rockies trail average year university corelmark 
cubs expos roster questions news software vnews nntp posting host pavo concordia organization concordia university lines article alird oscs montana writes article cvadrnlh csupomona writes today cubs activated mike harkey move make room harkey delino deshields john wetteland expos give info poly pomona wetteland effective march rick wetteland april evaluated throwing pain side deshields suffered chicken lost official total pounds back week walker back tonight tomorrow corelmark montreal 
cubs expos roster questions lines make room harkey cubs shawn boskie 
astros back organization university houston lines distribution nntp posting host rosie news software vnews article marc austin marc stephenson writes keeping line pessimists hold astros back contend count atlanta encountering unforeseen problems injuries keeping early season abysmal hitting atlanta undisputed starting rotation feel relief staff suspect real closer mike stanton saves role stanton start great year falter point atlanta personality team destruct houston atlanta suffer injuries starting rotation astros relief corps holding doug jones changeup effective xavier hernandez effective passable reasonable left handed middle relief iffy edens expected boever setup role injured expansion team acquisition houston thought boever demand money doug jones lose touch cleveland star closer minors pretty short span understand boever murphy considered expendable club houston felt positions filled number players doug jones houston success great year houston challenge west lousey spring closer minors pretty short span strong rotation pressure troubling bullpen shakiness starter slot basically normal taubensee anthony gonzalez cedeno fulfilling hitting potential anthony appears taubensee swing year solid knock expos night gonzalez showing early power cedeno loopiest swing side wallach unsuspected strength lower part order saved club biggio finley base filling role bagwell assume biggio finley biggio concerns starts season strong side note concerned rumors year uniform talk road uniform blech traditional grey word houston written chest mistaken home uniforms totally eliminate color orange shiver mclane favorite color upset current unforms dull sound horrible uniform return pretty houston established long precident wearing ugliest uniforms baseball bargain remember years relief long games doubt project wins astros days staub morgan jackson aspromonte dierker marc stephenson advanced workstations systems austin disclaimer content posting independent official position internet marc vnet marc ausvmq astros days ryan scott smith cruz davis bass hatcher david schwam university houston 
dave kingman hall fame nntp posting host berkeley kstar node yale organization yale computing center lines baseball fans deserves heck dave winfield considered smith give dave kingman chance darrell evans yeah yeah hall fame takes eddie murray jeff reardon case sick tired sick giving hall fame consideration players today standards marginal honestly ozzie smith robin yount belong shortstops hung long time deal selective stop handing honors liberally save deserve face prestige hall fame anymore individuals steve garvey jack morris potential candidates absurdity apparent compare future hall famers kirby puckett nolan ryan steve 
seeking berg reference info originator news nntp posting host crux princeton reply roger princeton roger lustig organization princeton university distribution lines article lsmith lance squiddie smith writes article hhenderson clarku writes david tate writes colleague mine information find berg catcher linguist espion references anecdotes matter appreciated berg hero talking monday yankee game book reissued title berg athlete scholar sewell people names forget sewell wrote chapter berg danny peary book cult baseball players good source famous anecdotes berg excellent section bill gilbert book served baseball wwii told berg activities mentioned recent book heisenberg sister wrote book published title brother morris berg memories page page xerox copies pictures letters saved copies kinda hard find smith baseball library minneapolis berg alma mater class kind sour thing disapproved sewell roger 
texas ranger ticket info organization purdue university engineering computer network lines give address texas ranger ticket orders 
torre worst manager organization hewlett packard boise printer division lines distressed wondering things cardinal article gatech brian landmann writes torre worst manager baseball greatest true sunday game hander pitching decides bench lankform left handed hitter play jordan gilkey handers lankford hurt announcer told torre pinch needed ninth inning bases loaded outs puts lankford hitter power pinch runner luis alicea hitter power pinch hitter hell thinking wondered thing giving benefit doubt thinking lankford hurt trust ability effectively speed bases pinch alicea completely confused good record hitting pitcher idea earlier game interview acquiring mark whiten commented fortunate cardinals whiten whiten regular meant gilkey hurt torre gilkey coming bench gilkey year start starting team league whiten playing gilkey play jordan ahead understand sundays game lankford thrown plate replay showed bucky dent base coach line waving lankford home looked replay torre talk bucky game lankford todd zeile hitter coming reason risk giving lankford sign situation ball stands watch play develop larkin back throw inexcusable book dent thing year zeile rounding home critical situation replay dent waving problem card good base runners year fault lies base coaching anymore hanging redbirds woof woof brian distressed cardinal brian landmann georgia institute technology internet gatech dick detweiler rdetweil 
dave kingman hall fame nntp posting host ravel udel organization university delaware lines article steve tomassi writes honestly ozzie smith robin yount belong shortstops hung long time deal real gold gloves ozzie smith hung homers year years hall defense important robin yount stuck long hits hits fluke hits deal selective stop handing honors liberally save deserve face prestige hall fame anymore individuals steve garvey jack morris potential candidates absurdity apparent compare agree garvey morris deserve future hall famers kirby puckett nolan ryan based argument nolan ryan deserve hall fame hander stuck long time throw hard game winning seasons lots losing seasons lots walks young awards nolan ryan compare steve carlton dominated major league seasons divisons world series half teams games compare close kirby puckett long give seasons 
wfan nntp posting host ravel udel organization university delaware lines article writes listen wfan talking sports radio staion york clear night signal reaches east coast berman mike lupica show school virginia listen wondering sports radio station close ultimate sports radio philadelphia signal powerful stations york feel obligated pollute airwaves bunch hoodlum mets fans complaining hours sports jockeys jody macdonald steve fredericks rockin sports talk till midnight check anytime hours philadelphia mistaken highest sports talk ratings nation nice thing talk sports night begin 
expanded strike zone surfeit offense organization skidmore college saratoga springs lines impression watching mets rockies umpires calling strikes belt letters nice case 
fenway reply acsddc umassd organization umass dartmouth dartmouth lines wondering kind fenway park send advance 
harry caray distribution lines night bill veeck dreams cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs scuk cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs cuck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck yeah aqlso added harry drunken idiot shoulda stayed louis heart added fair weathered fans guess reason harry note left louis walker cubs suck 
predictions laugh nntp posting host ravel udel organization university delaware lines article tedward cornell edward fischer writes oops file year thought enjoy thoughts predictions made date largely order crap deleted managers fired year chronological order fregosi showalter valentine riddoch showalter stick dead wrong time checked fregosi managing phillies fine record baseball prediction fregosi manager year flame flame thinks fired year attention kiddo 
dave kingman hall fame organization university illinois urbana lines steve tomassi writes baseball fans deserves heck dave winfield considered smith give dave kingman chance darrell evans yeah yeah hall fame takes eddie murray jeff reardon case sick tired sick giving hall fame consideration players today standards marginal honestly ozzie smith robin yount belong shortstops hung long time deal selective stop handing honors liberally save deserve face prestige hall fame anymore individuals steve garvey jack morris potential candidates absurdity apparent compare future hall famers kirby puckett nolan ryan steve difference nolan ryan yount hung years continue post great stats dave kingman hall murray evens reardon hell opposing pitcher thinks winfield hall pretty ripken deserve hall flame chintan amin mail llama neil peart quick judge quick anger slow understand ignorance prejudice fear walk hand hand 
players rushed majors organization georgia institute technology lines article uucp reed writes article hanson hanson writes didn horner straight arizona state univ atlanta braves remember great month hitting dingers heard japan month short career compared expected highly touted prospect injury prone overweight work ethic suffer rushed bigs suffered rushed bigs overweight work ethic leading injury prone loose corrected richmond intend smiley comment brings back long suffering memories chop braves fans promised horner dale murphy back back power slam stop guess rocky fans dale playing time plan game june play read memory process russell earnest georgia institute technology atlanta georgia uucp allegra hplabs seismo gatech prism arpa russell earnest gatech 
phillies mailing list nntp posting host ursa organization calvin college lines phillies mailing list coverage grand rapids elaborate signature files people busy david hollebeek dholle calvin 
people stats nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article dougs doug steele posting home runs hits batter team batter team hits gonzalez baerga palmer phillips texas home leaders point season jose canseco steve steve casburn scasburn ohio state personally despair results violent ruthless truth telling work slowly john maynard keynes 
white update lines lamont tryin left messing mind stir loose mental block supposed play left night rained outfielders team mental jimmy cubs suck white dontcha 
cubs expos roster questions organization argonne national laboratory lines article klein concordia corelmark wrote article alird oscs montana writes article cvadrnlh csupomona writes today cubs activated mike harkey move make room harkey delino deshields john wetteland expos give info poly pomona wetteland effective march rick cubs boskie iowa make room harkey jeff eastman jaeastman 
seeking berg reference info organization olivetti north america shelton lines article dtate david tate writes misplaced baseball bibliography posted recently split heap disorganized files machine kind soul repost bibliography mail copy colleague mine information find berg catcher linguist espion references anecdotes matter appreciated dave depth article remember article revealed facts secretive subscription expired past february years received guess article appeared definitive date article jerry 
phillies deja keywords phillies organization olivetti north america shelton lines article derby writes reading local paper today found phillies started season heard talk choke phillies season ahead cardinals games season august managed lose bunch cardinals division games ahead lost hope season strictly memory phillies games lost lose cardinals impossible remember felt time johnny callison phillies lost product swoon jerry single team pennant divisions 
orioles trivia organization olivetti north america shelton lines article paula paul andresen writes article sparky rochester michael mueller writes pitchers orioles referred kiddy corp young steve barber chuck estrada jack fisher milt pappas list brings mind worst trade babe nono nannette milt pappas frank robinson robinson proceeded triple crown beaten injured slide collided mighty weis chisox jerry 
dumb fans indians woofing keywords woofing nntp posting host sbgrad organization state university york stony brook lines article letizia ohio state writes reds fans listened anytime open lines fans call talk clueless idiots broadcasters york talk shows awful regard people constantly calling wfan wabc stuff thinking yankees trade kaminicki silvestri seattle griffey randy johnson team yankees roger clemens show hosts pretty good handling annoying show caller started thinking yankees trade host hung cheered michael 
tigers keywords tigers nntp posting host sbgrad organization state university york stony brook lines article ryan kearns writes detroit tigers greatest baseball organization time shameless woofing deleted behalf rest tiger fans appoligize shameless woofing minimum game hard control phillies fans michael 
missing subject header reply fishkill kenneth arbeitman disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host bones fishkill organization east fishkill subject torre worst manager lines article gatech brian landmann writes torre worst manager baseball sunday game hander pitching decides bench lankform left handed hitter play jordan gilkey handers lankford minor injury couple games pinchrunner ninth inning bases loaded outs puts lankford hitter power pinch runner luis alicea hitter power pinch hitter hell thinking earlier game interview acquiring mark whiten commented fortunate cardinals whiten whiten regular meant gilkey hurt torre gilkey coming bench gilkey year start starting team league beginning interview torre lankford outfield matter guess jordan eventually base percentage whiten great acquisition decent offense great defense rightfield worry gilkey starting jordan whiten displays extended period offensive output 
dean palmer hurt nntp posting host swan organization engineering support division america newsreader version lines edward ouellette acns wrote dean pitched ball night pinch play baltimore tonight whats hurt evidentally elbow fernando pitch swelled elbow wrist rays damaged missed game orioles suppose ready game hope helps mike west west 
scoring runs notes jays indians series distribution organization dept diego lines nntp posting host beowulf ucsd article dtate david tate writes forgot barring base fraction runs solo padres year league solo shots pythagorean projection puts winning percentage pitching fast good news hurst throwing curveballs pain threw pitches yesterday back couple weeks trade yankees militello dave dave demers demers ucsd computer science engineering demers bitnet diego ucsd demers jolla 
pleasant yankee surprises reply bitnet organization university albany suny lines article sepinwal upenn alan sepinwall writes pleasant pleasant surprises edition bronx bombers pleasant spike owen spring training coming mike gallego worse hitting major leagues ranked pretty high total hits runs scored early season kelly minute provided spark bottom order mattingly tartabull neill plenty opportunities hope kelly finally showing ability stick michael label star kelly infinitely improved guess tips boggs spring training paid thought boggs glove terrific mattingly comprise defensive side infield baseball imho paul neill roberto kelly partly pressure barry bonds cincy partly real unprofessional tendency give half year felt neill neill turning fine able duplicate surpass hall numbers year opposing pitchers pitching tartabull buck play lefties wickman friend made comparison wickman jack morris impressive stats find morris losing ability figured wickman important part steve trade trade ruth winding good middle reliever pitch pretty supposed provide rotation stability shore left side provide experience wins dominating faces maddux cone pleasant surprises spike owen hitting crazy field save life brought provide defense velarde stankiewicz silvestri defensively owen remember early offense tail defense improve heard year years highest fielding percentage major league shortstops tony mets team fernandez agree looked impressive field tartabull book tartabull healthy produce homers solo shots rbis cleanup supposed give slow start year turned wrecking crew late year bullpen happened supposed solid pens majors blown saves checked great howe farr lefty righty tandem farr howe infinite thing acts buck burn starters fear bullpen blow lead immortal words scooter holy seaver johnny pitch series alan 
torre worst manager organization southwest state univ lines nntp posting host smsu newsreader article gatech brian landmann writes torre worst manager baseball brian distressed cardinal mcrae worst manager baseball waste talent talent staffs league finding lose surprised makes weeks drastic improvement made frustrated royals darin keener smsu 
dave kingman hall fame organization cornell univ dept ithaca lines article philly udel robert hite writes real gold gloves ozzie smith hung homers year years hall defense important frankly offense defense equally important pitcher defense primary role player offense shortstops bigger part offensive game defensive game part offense issue smith yount deserve pretty addition defense cheers valentine 
phillies deja keywords phillies organization netcom line communication services guest lines jerry shel gerald lanza writes single team pennant divisions make mets astros joined eric smith erics erics 
predictions laugh organization cornell univ dept ithaca lines article philly udel robert hite writes dead wrong time checked fregosi managing phillies fine record baseball asshole confused flame extended courtesy world surprise valentine 
jewish baseball players article midway reply uchicago organization university chicago lines article pablo pablo iglesias writes article lafayette writes wondering friend talking reason names jewish baseball players past present able sandy koufax stankowitz john lowenstein sounds pretty lame racking brains humor hank greenberg famous jewish faith affected play missing late season world series games kippur jewish carew converted lowenstein jewish montana representative major leagues undeserving young award winner steve stone jewish stone koufax holtzman wrong pitcher thinking threw hitter reulbach starting rotation berg catch harry steinfeldt tinkers evers chance infield stanky jewish dave cohen kinda misinterpretation stuck majors long frank uchicago card moops school standard disclaimers 
found secret article nntpd organization digital equipment corporation lines article tedward cornell edward fischer writes place games season wins clemens viola clemens starts tonight days rest rotation hesketh relief night clemens normal days rest pitched saturday hesketh pitched inning yesterday afternoon outing aborted inning start days plenty rested expected turn saturday starter good thing managed rotation team glenn waugaman digital equipment corporation littleton waugaman enet 
jewish baseball players article netnews organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn article lafayette writes wondering friend talking reason names jewish baseball players past present able sandy koufax stankowitz stankiewicz stankowitz jewish polish correct pronunciation stanky ston itch sportscasters wrong john lowenstein sounds pretty lame racking brains humor jewish ballplayer blomberg major league ballgame alan 
jewish baseball players article pony organization ingres corporation subsidiary group lines article lafayette writes wondering friend talking reason names jewish baseball players past present able sandy koufax stankowitz john lowenstein sounds pretty lame racking brains humor hank greenberg gordon blomberg guess sublime ridiculous 
predictions laugh article advtech organization west advanced technologies lines nntp posting host jaynes advtech uswest edward fischer writes robert hite writes dead wrong time checked fregosi managing phillies fine record baseball asshole confused flame extended courtesy problem hite post flame correction error reply flame world surprise steve novak bomb pope steven uswest 
braves pitching updatedir nntp posting host koufax organization hewlett packard company corvallis oregon lines article snichols sherri nichols writes article writes passes common sense test statistical evidence percent defense pitching percent fielding difficult tease tease scoring runs preventing runs true beauties baseball things separated baseball situational interdependent carry arguments explained balanced statistical basis mystery left resort ballyard enjoy game paul feeling anti stathead today stretch farm animal natural length paula paul andresen hewlett packard home mckinley corvallis sabr member 
true story omar keywords mariners grand slam omar vizquel nntp posting host koufax organization hewlett packard company corvallis oregon lines article vigil sandra vigil writes yesterday april friend discussing theory local sports radio station personality commissioner baseball owners snuck live ball years baseball games effort increase home numbers attract fans case blatant discrimination selig allowing opposition baseballs dodgers guess stepped plate career grand slam night jays sight behold impressive intentional walk stretch farm animal natural length paula paul andresen hewlett packard home mckinley corvallis sabr member 
america team organization creative sensualities dept jacquie house underwear lines kingoz bradley orin roth writes officially braves started winning officially receive label understanding turner owner braves started running station nationwide started running team games nationwide station dubbed team america team team time games america nationwide beautiful secaucus mets games chicago wsbk boston superstations east coast cubs games show hymie hymowitz mellow dead weird yankovic mellow laid back attitude sonny cuckoo bird josh 
super tough baseball trivia reply kkeach claremont organization pomona college lines article ucar anthony michael jivoin writes bruce springsteen video glory days born album show quick shots baseball game television bruce street band playing teams stadium pitcher batters swinging video bruce throwing wooden strike zone pitch young lines base center bruce walk field asks today bruce mentions team playing player bottom ninth player team sandiego graig nettles impressed anthony jivoin national center atmospheric research boulder 
standings scores organization enterprises sports division major league baseball dept lines distribution world nntp posting host monsoon berkeley keywords standings scores satruday april including yesterday games national west lost streak home road francisco giants houston astros atlanta braves lost angeles dodgers colorado rockies lost diego padres cincinnati reds lost national east philadelphia phillies lost pittsburgh pirates lost louis cardinals lost york mets chicago cubs montreal expos florida marlins lost american west lost streak home road texas rangers lost california angels lost chicago white minnesota twins oakland athletics lost seattle mariners lost kansas city royals lost american east boston lost york yankees detroit tigers toronto blue jays lost cleveland indians baltimore orioles milwaukee brewers lost yesterday scores idle teams listed alphabetical order national league american league york mets chicago white cincinnati reds boston florida marlins california angels houston astros baltimore orioles philadelphia phillies kansas city royals chicago cubs minnesota twins colorado rockies seattle mariners montreal expos detroit tigers pittsburgh pirates toronto blue jays angeles dodgers cleveland indians atlanta braves texas rangers francisco giants york yankees louis cardinals oakland athletics diego padres milwaukee brewers rain joseph hernandez rams lakers jtchern berkeley kings dodgers raiders jtcent berkeley angels clippers 
jewish baseball players originator news nntp posting host crux princeton reply roger princeton roger lustig organization princeton university lines article jrogoff skidmore rogoff writes book find sale catalogues occasionally called jewish baseball stars baseball mavin peter bjarkman compiled pretty definitive list jewish ballplayers bigs sold copy jewish baseball stars short shelf toilet tank special writing books astonishingly awful sportswriting cliche degree mangled funny rusinow author roger 
phills pirates lines hate burden news time phillies play eastern time weekdays sundays time eastern time boise idaho idaho part mountain time zone part pacific time zone times mountain time zone starts check case wrong boise mountain time zone listening shep 
jewish broadcasters jewish baseball players originator news nntp posting host crux princeton reply roger princeton roger lustig organization princeton university lines article ddsokol amherst daniel sokol writes roger lustig roger princeton wrote article drake writes article eastgate mark bernstein writes matter gentleman press jewish jewish sportscaster mind steve williams phillies show philadelphia howard cosell mind berman jewish steve stone cubs pitchers overrated jewish tony korhiezer shirly povich maury washington post shirley alive wondering roger danny 
talk phillies organization information systems lines article snichols sherri nichols writes article eechen stanford emery ethan chen writes phrase time start sport baseball graffiti kiddies yell taunts insults leave rest peace sherri nichols snichols sherri agree kiddies sense spew obscenities front group adults edit newsgroup feed local elementary schools group students love baseball learning computers telling point edit files anymore read throw trash people wonderful include swear word signature files nice read article toss wrong words made able edit place public forum spew foul language people mind decent young people interested baseball computers reading newsgroup enjoy articles phil 
scores organization enterprises sports division major league baseball dept lines nntp posting host monsoon berkeley article charles kozierok writes article sean garrison writes stuff upated inning scores deleted exact time message results game hernandez posts daily standings results supposed compliment wondering service entire baseball world usenet east coast final scores west coast games newspapers late newscasts helpful fans countries receive weekly scores updates week requested kind service previously news services mine free charge copyright restrictions send updates scores private mailing list remember post final scores updated standings sport baseball newsgroup private mail people mailing list branches mailing lists list grows average people people usenet postings sport baseball daily basis response overwhelming posts anymore time joseph hernandez joseph hernandez rams lakers jtchern berkeley kings dodgers raiders jtcent berkeley angels clippers 
america team organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn article kingoz bradley orin roth writes officially braves started winning officially receive label cable watch braves game team games broadcast nationwide local team local team braves kind local team watch outta vladimir alan water cold kent people sexually frustrated kilmer real genius 
sandberg update long organization purdue university engineering computer network distribution lines ryno fans interested todays chicago tribune written today ryne sandberg ryne sandberg ahead schedule recovery broken left hand back lineup manager lefebvre friday doctors cleared sandberg swing padded ball gloved hand surprised rehabilitation moved lefebvre fast healer disabled list running hurt march shape life target date back lineup hold hats fans information presents jeffery 
score officials nntp posting host crux cornell organization cornell university lines learn score watch ball games official scoring methods scoresheets instructions mike hofstadter takes michael wilson longer idoy cornell account hofstadter douglas hofstadter 
ryno correction organization purdue university engineering computer network distribution lines made mistake posted article fighting food poisoning hours paragraph state doctors cleared sandberg swing padded ball catch ball gloved hand error posting jeffery 
defensive averages shortstop organization stanford university lines article steph uiuc dale stephenson writes smith ozzie wizard highest year good numbers declined year years defensive liability rich ozzie smith defensive liability brett rogers addison stanford 
surgery morris organization california polytechnic state university luis obispo lines cjkuo jimmy quoth strike silly impose game suspension morris expect back june games play june games june meaningful suspension effect number games back reds play days jason jplee calpoly jlee busfac calpoly giants beautiful equation mathematics magic words tongue saddest number john greenleaf whittier 
america team organization netcom line communication services guest lines kingoz bradley orin roth writes guess america loves underdogs year matter cubs talent predictions close years losing mounted america fallen love perennial losers cubs fans chicago teams worldwide cubs fans worldwide teams division combined aura excitement surrounds cubs beginning season including champs eternal hope admired spirit cubs opener years held sign wait till year eric smith threatened president erics united states investigate erics difference comedian united states jerry seinfeld 
royals nntp posting host camelot bradley organization bradley university distribution lines randall randall rhea writes royals darkness void time play shame descends land cold front canada humiliation lived live utterly completely doomed guess lighten depresses finish happened season mind gubizca gardner main recent acquisitions lind mcreynolds jose averaging david cone joining mets years hitting sucks pitching collapsed game home games games year brian mcrae batting mendoza line rich 
defensive averages shortstop organization cornell univ dept ithaca lines article addison stanford brett rogers writes article steph uiuc dale stephenson writes smith ozzie wizard highest year good numbers declined year years defensive liability rich ozzie smith defensive liability brooks robinson defensive liability williams weak hitter great players decline valentine 
tribune times organization computer science department rose hulman lines reply brock rose hulman bradley brock nntp posting host nextwork rose hulman article ddsokol amherst daniel sokol writes pjtier louisville wrote chicago tribune baseball coverage good york times daily coverage boxscores tribune times daily coverage boxscores special emphasis yankees mets beware original poster louisville chances louisville edition nytimes printed chicago midwest edition boxscores monday sunday extremely skimpy sports section game summaries color stories bradley brock department mathematics rose hulman institute technology resist evil love enemies brock rose hulman nazarene carpenter 
ozzie smith defensive liability reply uchicago organization university chicago lines article addison stanford brett rogers writes article steph uiuc dale stephenson writes smith ozzie wizard highest year good numbers declined year years defensive liability rich ozzie smith defensive liability expect remain shortstop game reaches seventy birthday strange concept forty year ozzie smith defensive liability frank uchicago card moops school standard disclaimers 
phills pirates lines nntp posting host ulkyvx louisville organization university louisville monday pittsburg philadelphia tuesday pittsburg philadelphia wednesday pittsburg philadelphia friday philadelphia pittsburg saturday philadelphia pittsburg sunday philadelphia pittsburg friday pittsburg philadelphia saturday pittsburg philadelphia sunday pittsburg philadelphia monday philadelphia pittsburg tuesday philadelphia pittsburg wednesday philadelphia pittsburg thursday philadelphia pittsburg times correct ahead usual tiems teams origin message boise central time tierney whoops meant mountain time tierney 
defensive averages shortstop originator news nntp posting host crux princeton reply roger princeton roger lustig organization princeton university lines article addison stanford brett rogers writes article steph uiuc dale stephenson writes smith ozzie wizard highest year good numbers declined year years defensive liability rich ozzie smith defensive liability suppose immune ravages time years grounders fewer legs human remember willie mays defensive liability career ditto mickey mantle ditto played late roger brett rogers addison stanford 
scores organization massachusetts institute technology lines nntp posting host electric monk article jtchern berkeley joseph hernandez writes article charles kozierok writes article sean garrison writes stuff upated inning scores deleted exact time message results game hernandez posts daily standings results supposed compliment wondering meant compliment service entire baseball world usenet east coast final scores west coast games newspapers late newscasts helpful fans countries receive weekly scores updates week requested kind service previously news services mine free charge copyright restrictions criticize service fact encourage personally point posting individuals duplicate fashion organized send updates scores private mailing list remember post final scores updated standings sport baseball newsgroup private mail people mailing list branches mailing lists list grows average people person great idea good work joseph charles 
america team lines nntp posting host ulkyvx louisville organization university louisville article kingoz bradley orin roth writes officially braves started winning officially receive label team repeat team america team diverse country teams north team america teams belong happen teams receive monicker success cowboys national exposure cubs braves spreas successful advertising campaigns harry caray turner dupe people thinking representative teams people watch products arrogant local fans adapt monicker team america idolize dollars egos tierney 
kevin rogers organization corporate notes server lines hpcc sport baseball pjtier louisville kevin rogers francisco thought slated starter relief appearences starters tierney giant rotation john burkett trevor wilson bill swift jeff brantley black dave burba black disables dave burba starts 
hall organization lines heard hall season heard yankees happened doug dolven doug dolven warped montana oscs montana 
mets rapists organization university virginia lines writes book mets talks rape games sick jerks book klapisch spelling worst team money give book whatsoever klapisch wrote book make money sensational literature sell writes papers calling liar proof player raped game regular basis jail shea people press york throat part keith hernandez espn couple days mention clubhouse fight homer ninth game read klapisch news columns regularly accused instigator enjoys professional reasons drumb news story confrontation bobby bonilla days totally blame bonilla matter member press matter putrid individual give ballplayer threaten journalist personally thought beat writer club report news degrade team blame klapisch york 
hall organization university virginia lines warped montana writes heard hall season heard yankees happened doug dolven japan 
hall nntp posting host cunixf columbia reply mike columbia michael chen organization columbia university lines article warped montana doug dolven writes heard hall season heard yankees happened doug dolven doug dolven warped montana oscs montana hall signed japanese team mike mike 
braves pitching updatedir grabiner harvard david grabiner organization organization nntp posting host boucher harvard reply evsc virginia message lines article david robert walker writes article traven neal traven writes separate offense batting baserunning split give baserunning credit give team roberto alomar team john oleruds identical batting stats unreasonable roberto steal single base score oleruds offense gordon give baserunning effect clear effects olerud hits double runner score alomar legs extra base runner hold olerud doubles advancement alomar alomar score hitting double reason give extra baserunning runs created formulas work fast slow teams team teams faster players current runs created formulas work teams bill james senators harmon killebrew regularly pinch runner stole bases times caught stealing scored slightly runs predicted runs created david grabiner grabiner harvard number dialed imaginary rotate phone degrees disclaimer speak speaks 
dave kingman hall fame keywords hall fame winfield kingman murray lundy organization bell laboratories murray hill distribution lines article mark singer writes kingman thought point player history games carter eddie murray mccovey gehrig ruth mays foxx dawson johnny mize games current record holt 
fenway nntp posting host berkeley kstar node yale organization yale university lines love shea stadium sean scully 
scores nntp posting host berkeley kstar node yale organization yale university lines article jtchern berkeley joseph hernandez wrote people usenet postings sport baseball daily basis response overwhelming posts anymore time joseph hernandez hernandez apologize misunderstanding explained essential fans scores problem posting scores games completed earlier necessity post scores middle games practice sean 
time players organization bell laboratories murray hill lines article lehigh john stephen randolph writes article mbstultz bsuvc writes recently working project determine greatest players respective postions sources total baseball james historical abstract ballplayers biography word mouth biased opinions feel free comment suggest flame objective statistical data inlcuded time convience sake judged total average fielding range runs total player rating total baseball stolen bases curiosity sake years played mike schmidt matthews eddie mathews george brett wade boggs santo brooks robinson frank baker darrell evans traynor dandridge brooks ahead santo small advantage fielding ability making large difference hitting average seasons combined average games years santo robinson fielding games years santo robinson robinson extra putouts assists responsible outs field make extra outs made plate mention fewer total bases difference decreased account wrigley difference considerable thorn palmer ratings adjusted adjusted stolen fielding total production batting runs base runs runs rating santo robinson usual disclaimers apply mark comparison fielding percentage carney lansford time dead time total rating compares players league average replacement level robinson awarded extra playing games great career prefer santo years replacement level bman knock traynor list replace stan hack similar story hack hitting outweighs traynor superior fielding graig nettles buddy bell choices imho recent discussion supports point view andre dawson field holt 
braves pitching updatedir organization university denver dept math comp lines grabiner harvard david grabiner writes article david robert walker writes article traven neal traven writes separate offense batting baserunning split give baserunning credit give team roberto alomar team john oleruds identical batting stats unreasonable roberto steal single base score oleruds offense gordon give baserunning meant comment time baserunning important runs created accurate runs created accurate team level baserunning account remaining percent greg 
hits stolen base summary stolen hits basemen keywords defense organization university illinois dept comp urbana lines disclaimer computerized baseball game track category called stolen hits defined play made average fielder make average effort defensive averages posted sherri nichols sherri figured defensive stats basemen hits stolen redefined plays kurt stillwell made realize unfair kurt victim pitching staff fluke shots monster park factor replaced baseman kurt making ability extra hits correlate reality calculated hits stolen based number outs made compared league average fielder make method calculated double plays extra bases doubles triples finally throw formula call defensive contribution dcon basically represents defensive contribution player number dops defense onbase slug represent player total contribution team formula dcon appears article short version definition terms hits stolen extra outs compared kurt stillwell hits stolen extra outs compared average fielder double plays extra double plays turned compared fielder extra bases extra bases prevented compared fielder dcon defensive contribution bases hits prevented rate dops dcon quick dirty measure player total contribution national league dcon dops alicea sandberg thompson lind doran deshields harris lemke morandini randolph biggio stillwell ordered dops sandberg alicea thompson deshields doran average biggio harris randolph morandini lemke lind stillwell american league dcon dops fletcher reed ripken baerga blankenship miller alomar knoblauch bordick kelly whitaker reynolds sojo order dops baerga alomar fletcher whitaker blankenship miller knoblauch reed bordick average kelly ripken reynolds sojo discussion dcon formula bizzare formula basically designed added idea prevented important scored extra outs factored extra bases removed factored divisors discussion post hits stolen base dale stephenson steph uiuc baseball fanatic considered good wise overburdened information golden kimball 
predictions laugh nntp posting host jaynes advtech uswest organization west advanced technologies lines steve novak writes edward fischer writes robert hite writes dead wrong time checked fregosi managing phillies fine record baseball asshole confused flame extended courtesy problem hite post flame correction error steve novak read entire original posting hite fischer restrained hite hope makes similar tiny mistake steve novak bomb pope steven uswest 
hall organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn article warped montana doug dolven writes heard hall season heard yankees happened doug dolven alive playing japan yanks money thought barry bonds making hall obsolete oopsie neill replace outta vladimir alan scene real genius kilmer pick gorgeous blonde point blonde hammer inch spike board penis blonde gotta standards walks 
jack morris organization mind link british columbia canada lines today april jack morris lost starts jays injured dave stuart credit rest pitching staff jack lost edge worst start jack morris 
dodgers straight pirates organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article pcaster dodger writes davis strawberry attributed turn arounds reggie smith dodger batting coach flew florida days gave talk instruction davis yesterday couple hits today strawberry hits yesterday today home runs foolish thought fact hitting wakefield kncukle ball otto stuff reggie gave talk instruction rest lineup suddenly alive games beastmaster mark singer 
official rules baseball isbn organization mistress barbara dungeon palace lines distribution nntp posting host tamsun tamu copy official rules baseball isbn number lost give information find book local bookstores walking home school watching jack mckinney building house jmckinney mering roof calls paranoid weirdo morse code space philips rent 
organization university arizona biotechnology tucson lines nntp posting host joplin biosci arizona keywords game length doug roberts hill spos 
jewish baseball players organization michigan state university college engineering lines nntp posting host eecae article roger princeton roger lustig writes article harvard david writes jeopardy category jewish sports heros answer pitcher hitters dodgers contestant hank aaron alex trebek hank aaron pitcher jewish roger remember hank greenberg 
hall organization allegheny college lines article warped montana doug dolven writes heard hall season heard yankees happened japan playing baseball gwitt gwitt 
sandberg runs rbis notes jays indians series organization university arizona biotechnology tucson lines distribution nntp posting host joplin biosci arizona article bratt nosubdomain nodomain john bratt writes rbis runs scored important offensive statistics talk fact remains team scores runs wins game flame john bratt asked guess bode cubs doug roberts trade frank bolick baseballs expos 
america team organization university illinois urbana lines kingoz bradley orin roth writes officially braves started winning officially receive label unoffically doubt america team cubs guess america loves underdogs year matter cubs talent predictions close years losing mounted america fallen love perennial losers cubs fans chicago teams worldwide cubs fans worldwide teams division combined aura excitement surrounds cubs beginning season including champs eternal hope year talent good start pitching hitting strong point time inevitability cubs eventually long time years finally start winning consistently cubs remain america lovable underdogs cubs america team orin bradley defenition underdog team talent contend mets orioles prime examples cubs root cubs feel basically dogs pirates today great underdog rockies marlins compete underdogs north stars trip stanley finals good underdog journey cubs good team year play weak division america team jester disguise chintan amin mail llama neil peart quick judge quick anger slow understand ignorance prejudice fear walk hand hand 
tigers pound mariners organization lehigh university lines palying football baseball detroit saturday school people football games week tigers scored runs offense carry hope pitching hold camden yards yesterday everytime looked score higher great site tigers kicking butt enjoying game camden yards tigers tony phillips 
scott erickson organization express access online communications greenbelt lines distribution nntp posting host access digex scoop scot erickson long 
america team organization uoft mechanical engineering lines uiuc oriolefan writes defenition underdog team talent contend mets orioles prime examples cubs virtually impossible division talent games amend definition underdog team expected lose wins underestimated talent dave 
bosox team record organization clark university worcester lines today frank viola rest pitcher staff boston shutout chicago white season games roger frank pitched starters pitching tomorrow dopson pitch good start rocky start bosox play ball roger frank 
jewish baseball players reply comarow organization matrix lines dave kingman jewish comarow decus 
america team organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply cwru justin lowe nntp posting host cwru previous article steinman utoronto david steinman uiuc oriolefan writes defenition underdog team talent contend mets orioles prime examples cubs virtually impossible division talent games amend definition underdog team expected lose wins underestimated talent dave mets good examples reds expected sweep people game series proved wrong year ignore record rocky start colorado rise hunt reds october continues respect michelson spring olympics champions road rally legged race rope pull snarf penny wars banner spirit cheer michelson menace rides love intense nationalistic feeling residence hall 
notes jays indians series organization computer science department rose hulman lines distribution reply rickert rose hulman john rickert nntp posting host nextwork rose hulman article klopfens bgsu bruce klopfenstein writes charles kozierok writes article stanford nelson writes guess line love alomar fans left rbis list give break delayed interests fairness stats elias outs alomar baerga baerga large advantage runs batted runners driven outs john rickert rickert rose hulman 
baseball spreads nntp posting host bruno colorado organization university colorado boulder lines read betting spreads baseball tend means runs david wood davewood colorado university colorado boulder 
rockies relief nntp posting host bruno colorado organization university colorado boulder lines rockies bullpen fell andy ashby pitched shaky innings giving game dreaded relief picthers combined give runs inning blew save opportunity final expos problems rockies team wont lightly today game league leading hitter galarraga leaders stolen bases young cole increasingly strong starting pitching david wood davewood colorado university colorado boulder 
rockies relief nntp posting host bruno colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article davewood colorado david wood writes shaky innings giving game dreaded relief picthers combined give runs inning lightly today game league leading geez type david wood davewood colorado university colorado boulder 
baseball spreads organization massachusetts institute technology lines nntp posting host marinara article davewood colorado david wood writes read betting spreads baseball tend means runs spread means underdog favorite charles 
bosox team record organization national center atmospheric research lines article clarku dark wing duck writes today frank viola rest pitcher staff boston shutout chicago white season games roger frank pitched starters pitching tomorrow dopson pitch good start rocky start bosox play ball roger frank long yankees division play baseball hire east german swimming coaches train fine body building chinese women swimmers reference hawk chance east year brings class work ethic leadership park burning desire play world series future hall famer andre dawson kick butt boston rockies country anthony jivoin national center atmospheric research boulder 
royals summary organization rice university distribution lines article spork bradley richard izzo writes darkness deleted lighten depresses finish happened season nope royals team majors finished place include marlins rockies good chance finishing rich 
jack morris organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply cwru douglas fowler nntp posting host cwru previous article tedward cornell edward fischer article stlouis phill louis writes jack morris starts playoff starts starts luck lucky wins year team scored runs happy pitch suffering total callapse pitchers prone total collapse good pitchers closer chasm mediocrity smallest push completely lose grip good collapse back year burleigh grimes wins pitched years carlton lost year record source bill james historical baseball abstract forget john tudor started finished pretty busch stadium account start season gave early runs games stronger game giving runs stays game pitched innings hole stick support eventually year hasn recall half half year hmm runs innings suppose starts games winds innings pitched runs game innings year totals hard back jack finished time retire released return form year million contract awful hunch morris gutsy pitching injury telling guess banished bullpen remainder season starts stewart danny scoreless innings tribe today start morris good gaston scrambling find starters imagine luckily jays good offense dare release year replaced stewart doug fowler cwru mommys daddys casey relatives give lots hugs love missed strike poem support heaven great made lasts forever 
reds snap game losing streak redreport keywords finally nntp posting host silver indiana organization indiana university lines kevin mitchell sacrifice eighth brett saberhagen plated pitch runner cesar hernandez give reds victory york hernandez pinch hitter cecil espy inning started solid single moved kelly infield sneaker base line jeff branson bunt rare show excellent execution recently hapless reds offense cincinnati trailed starter pugh blinked innings fourth inning lead double vince coleman coleman left stranded bobby bonilla orselak popped short orselak pinch hitting eddie murray argued plate umpire kellogg inside strike drawing line murray manager jeff torborg ended tossed mets started howard johnson pitch homer pugh slightly shaken popped pitch jeff kent single ryan thompson liner left surprise misplayed mitchell turned triple catcher hundley grounder drawn branson failed bring thompson play game occured saberhagen reds pitching coach larry rothschild infield discuss possibility suicide squeeze called perfectly thompson hung pugh pitch pitch threat ended national league great reds picked runs seventh knot game barry larkin ground mitchell chris sabo randy milligan back back back singles scoring mitchell reggie sanders plated sabo long center double oliver scored runner wilson base coach dave bristol threw stop sign late wilson hung killing reds rally dibble ninth pitched shakily outs runner bonilla plate sunday game late august year bonilla dinger slapped loss dibble spelled beginning cinci season bonilla ended walking hojo flied left give reds week earned dibble save opportunities steve foster boosting perfect innings work striking saberhagen loss surprised pitched eighth reds worst team baseball royals victory today mets line york mets coleman fernandez murray orselak bonilla johnson kent thompson hundley saberhagen totals johnson pugh leading pitch thompson pugh picked coleman pugh fourth stranded johnson thompson cincinnati reds kelly branson larkin mitchell dibble sabo milligan wilson sanders oliver pugh roberts foster espy hernandez totals oliver stranded seventh double wilson oliver saberhagen runner stranded milligan sanders mitchell branson sanders mitchell larkin larkin york cincinnati pitching york saberhagen cincinnati pugh foster dibble wilson ejected murray torborg umps kellogg relliford runge demuth attendance coming reds travel pittsburgh continue chicago game tuesday expected pitch belcher tomlin rstimets 
dimensional teams royals final total organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply cwru douglas fowler nntp posting host cwru previous article sweda umich sean sweda time absent figured stick neck royals record fewest runs scored team inception rule ideas fall easily short runs damn media fools picking division gage detroit news claiming herk robinson kind genius trades aquisitions made thing dodgers true cone good drysdale koufax teams winning home leaders totals lots scoring games relievers jeff montgomery super season picked superb pitching team hitting chance team tremendous hitting pitching people team johnson koufax prime seaver carlton young real order starters sutter fingers lyle bullpen puny offense assuming good defense mazeroski maranville team poor pitching offense cobb carew ruth gehrig mays schmidt wagner bench pick order postulate pitching games seasons hitters succeed time years great pitcher throw lots shutouts taking players prime throw shutouts year offense stratomatic plug time teams regular season played report results love doug fowler cwru mommys daddys casey relatives give lots hugs love missed strike poem support heaven great made lasts forever 
early bbdd returns organization social science computing laboratory nntp posting host vaxi sscl lines article brandeis adam levin writes curious started standout early season year concerned hoping produce update week send info significant longest critical home season vince 
america team organization university missouri posted mizzou missouri nntp posting host columbia lines article kingoz bradley orin roth writes officially braves started winning officially receive label unoffically doubt america team cubs orin bradley jester disguise survey showed america favorite team damn yankees underdogs loved obbaseball trivia cardinals series yanks losing record spring training games counted shannon 
montreal question reply mullin plymouth mully organization plymouth state college plymouth lines position mike lansing play find keith mullins internet plymouth takes mullin plymouth 
detroit tigers organization michigan state university lines nntp posting host euler summary stop roar tiger bats keywords detroit offensive team league roar michigan trumbull loader year mike illitch head ernie harwell back booth tiger bats bang summer scored runs games fielder tettleton deer division pitching bull gully moore wells krueger make decent staff team games henneman close watch boston toronto baltimore motor city kittys back 
homer games padres notes reply kkeach claremont organization pomona college lines wondering holds record homer games career answer johnny mize career cards yanks times case wondering record homer games held babe ruth mize record longer juan gonzalez games year rookie record books college check wrong padres especial access local news angeles mcpaper consistently comment diego deals brought bell plantier padres forced team darrell shermann plantier injured power lower average bell finish essentially jerald clark numbers leadoff comment craig shipley base time lucky leadoff hell usual starters gwynn steals shipley starting injury stillwell stillwell scores shermann leadoff gwynn lesat base year stealing bases sheffield comment season early stats witness phillips batting sheffield injury anythingelse wrong hear andy benes pitching half flash promise throws evrey pitch good games score today sunday april padres louis padres sweep cardinals gwynn homer sheffield tueful homer winning listening reading comments kelly keach kkeach claremont 
america team organization organized lines distribution nntp posting host minerva yale reply steinman utoronto message article steinman utoronto david steinman writes uiuc oriolefan writes defenition underdog team talent contend mets orioles prime examples cubs virtually impossible division talent games players managerial talent blue jays david david shapiro people call monkey felt shapiro david piano back winter long shapiro yale piano back trombone stan belinda 
request stats reply mullin plymouth mully organization plymouth state college plymouth lines individual stats find 
montreal question lines nntp posting host ulkyvx louisville organization university louisville article mullin plymouth mully writes position mike lansing play find played deshields shifted delino back today played cold cordero natural positions middle infield seemingly find spot himm long tierney 
detroit tigers nntp posting host mozzarella journalism indiana reply dwarner indiana organization indiana university lines david vergolini writes roar michigan trumbull loader year mike illitch head ernie harwell back booth tiger bats bang summer scored runs games fielder tettleton deer division pitching bull gully moore wells krueger make decent staff team games yeah tigers scoring runs game reading woofing correctly midseason slump pull team contention yogi david dwarner indiana blue riddle productions coming tape time real mail 
detroit tigers organization massachusetts institute technology lines nntp posting host marinara keywords detroit offensive team league article vergolin david vergolini writes roar michigan trumbull loader year mike illitch head ernie harwell back booth tiger bats bang summer scored runs games fielder tettleton deer division pitching bull gully moore wells krueger make decent staff team games henneman close watch boston toronto baltimore motor city kittys back nice woofing meowing tiggers exciting team year year offense essentially pitching essentially suddenly improve games required east changed remember worth standings charles 
jack morris organization york university toronto canada lines article tedward cornell edward fischer writes article gspira greg spira writes howard wong howard wong writes jack lost edge worst start jack morris jack lost edge years average year prove good lucky count good tomorrow lucky prone starts finish year enjoying morris signing viola cheers valentine valentine boston world series rings fingers damn morris hall fame future toronto easily made signing boston year division shawn 
america team organization panix public access internet unix lines article uiuc oriolefan writes defenition underdog team talent contend mets orioles prime examples call team seaver jerry koosman nolan ryan pitching staff team talent improvement forseeable greg 
america team organization lines cwru justin lowe writes previous article steinman utoronto david steinman uiuc oriolefan writes defenition underdog team talent contend mets orioles prime examples cubs virtually impossible division talent games amend definition underdog team expected lose wins underestimated talent dave mets good examples reds expected sweep people didn game series people silly team world series world series expects sweep crazy team baseball series worst team baseball worst team game time series odds greg 
zane rescue simmons organization post office carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew simmons total idiot zane smith learn switchpitch return zane smith pitch handed moeller pitch simmons ready told otto impressive week otto latest debacle restored simmon reputation back form highest starters sake sake hope pitches rest season yeah tomlin merced disappointing decently considerable amount talent maturity shown seasons worse tomlin unhittable rookie year lefty batters merced good rookie year showed concentration plate rookie year walk losing tonight walk desrved contract leyland accept part blame lavalliere situation understand management fear losing prince waivers aright hander slaught smart platoon blaming leyland case hcurrently convinced lavalliere giving time year regular season playoffs slaught played games good average handed pitching leyland simmons forsee year attempt trade lavalliere year fool lavalliere year dennis moeller scary candeleria high season range million customary home giving stage patterson weeks patterson served pirates year pitched rangers pirates spent money patterson stead rookie batters young surprised instant impact excellent performance surprise doughty rookie pitchers worse expected cooke slaught contract extension year increased immensely lonnie smith eric davis signed comparable amount eric field didnt pirates eric davis injured davis healthy lonnie smith lonnie smith hits year asset looked terrible bases field management sauer make forceful agreement favor revenue sharing concerned pleasing idiot danforth preparing team move tampa alex cole fiasco pirates infield positions good looked good cole replace outfielders eric davis slyke cole made respectable outfield eric davis thye pirates respectable outfield cole svan slyke merced left handed lefts stead switch hitting simmons options outfield ironically biggest accomplishment simmon tenure alex cole cheap compensatory draft picks bonds forget pirates rant rave picks issue appealed doesnt convince simmons sauer idiots final note wakefield awful starts count pitching year rest season pirates contention rthe season miss redus clutch hitting speed peaked half seasons pravin ratnam 
torre worst manager distribution organization georgia institute technology lines article gatech brian landmann writes ninth inning bases loaded outs puts lankford hitter power pinch runner luis alicea hitter power pinch hitter hell thinking memory serves alicea damn tied game torre players ballyard braves chop chop michael mule michael andre mule georgia institute technology atlanta georgia uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism internet gatech 
jack morris organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury lines yorku shawn luddington writes valentine boston world series rings fingers damn morris hall fame future toronto easily made signing boston year division yeah valentine rings clemens nothin good fashioned canadian logic good thing rotation year worse stewart stayed healthy cordially maynard laurentian morons time 
militello update distribution organization georgia institute technology lines yankee fans knocking prediction baltimore flooded mailbox cries militello good militello good noticed skipped strong outing chance columbus relying fourth fourth starter brittle pitching staff early ballyard braves chop chop michael mule michael andre mule georgia institute technology atlanta georgia uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism internet gatech 
mets rapists nntp posting host mozzarella journalism indiana reply dwarner indiana organization indiana university lines todd karlin writes read klapisch news columns regularly accused instigator enjoys professional reasons drumb news story confrontation bobby bonilla days totally blame bonilla matter member press matter putrid individual give ballplayer threaten journalist bonilla threatening wanted give dollar tour david dwarner indiana blue riddle productions coming tape time real mail 
jack morris organization massachusetts institute technology lines nntp posting host marinara article yorku shawn luddington writes article tedward cornell edward fischer writes article gspira greg spira writes howard wong howard wong writes jack lost edge worst start jack morris jack lost edge years average year prove good lucky count good tomorrow lucky prone starts finish year enjoying morris signing viola valentine boston world series rings fingers oo cheap shot damn morris hall fame future cares toronto jays signed viola morris frank ring year toronto easily made signing logic curious spurious reason viola games signed toronto compare stupid records compare team offensive averages morris viola sweepstakes year basically hindsight plenty reasons apparent viola pitcher based previous recent years based frank years younger knew people caught world series morris wins year wins stupidest misleading statistic baseball worse means jays runs valid retort valentine morris viola choice expected boston year division true lack contribution viola cares charles 
montreal question organization york university toronto canada lines article mullin plymouth mully writes position mike lansing play find keith mullins internet plymouth takes mullin plymouth played heard play short shawn 
zane rescue simmons organization post office carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew message wrote management sauer make forceful agreement favor revenue sharing meant argument agreement coouple positive achievements smiley trade good pirates neagle cummings pretty good cole trade excellent simmons botched year draft pirates lost high picks bonds fiasco give prove simmons total idiot 
twins games reply ajpat patterson organization iowa state university lines twins games broadcast good ames iowa 
knepper damn nntp posting host berkeley kstar node yale organization university yaleta lines heck women thinking baseball problems lisa olson remember feisty reporter entered england patriots locker room started crying women belong sport smart flame football cares applies male sports women umpires jeez postema woman face earth thinks great opportunity watched games greater roast beef good umpires worried cracking fingernail foul wade boggs jose oquendo complications austin jacobs knepper club member 
ttention syracuse richmond organization york university toronto canada lines conflicting reports pitcher jays farm system braves bill taylor picked jays offered back braves able send syracuse chiefs report braves back assigned richmond chiefs roster 
scores reply savoy uleth organization university lethbridge lines sean garrison writes alright thing thought newsgroup place discussion people constantly post messages team winning inning people dependent newsgroup find scores game charles kozierok writes amen hear brother timestamps posts read propagation delays significant hours days people access machines close poster network weeks april today finished reading posts cleveland indians boating tragedy needless read partial linescores games played weeks charles mentioned excluded quote join mailing list woof entering inning scores woofing plug read rest posts spring training savoy university lethbridge savoy uleth sigless bible black 
knepper damn nntp posting host bruno colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article austin jacobs writes heck women thinking baseball problems lisa olson remember feisty reporter entered england patriots locker room started crying women belong sport smart flame football cares applies male sports women umpires jeez postema woman face earth thinks great opportunity watched games greater roast beef good umpires worried cracking fingernail foul wade boggs jose oquendo complications austin jacobs knepper club member hidden david wood davewood colorado university colorado boulder 
zane rescue simmons organization williams college williamstown lines nntp posting host hancock williams article mamatha devineni ratnam writes simmons total idiot leyland accept part blame lavalliere situation understand management fear losing prince waivers aright hander slaught smart platoon blaming leyland case hcurrently convinced lavalliere giving time year regular season playoffs slaught played games good average handed pitching leyland simmons forsee year attempt trade lavalliere year fool lavalliere wasn year biggest load bunk pirates trade lavalliere time vaguely interested teams made grab prince options lavalliere release released event injury slaught lavalliere longer capable everyday catcher slaught good righties lefties offense improve move toby 
militello update organization williams college williamstown lines distribution nntp posting host hancock williams article gatech michael andre mule writes yankee fans knocking prediction baltimore flooded mailbox cries militello good militello good noticed skipped strong outing good mussina sutcliffe mcdonald chance columbus bullpen steinbrenner charge relying fourth fourth starter brittle pitching staff talent starter evetually higher ranked generally prospect arthur rhodes oriole starter early militello early toby elliott 
organization johns hopkins university lines distribution nntp posting host jhuvms news software vnews millitello listen sammy explain buck pitched relief yesterday figure jason miller doctor made good thread retire 
bonilla nntp posting host berkeley kstar node yale organization yale univeristy lines article krueger arizona theodore krueger wrote funny white person calls comeone nigger banned year black person calls faggot consequence missing vital point roger lustig pointed previous response reason schott banned baseball call racially biased manner constant basis thoughts affected hiring practices bonilla hand found mentioned word single time criticizing homosexuals story athlete hire schott dave pallone umpire admitted homosexual decided assist protest mets game shea thinks bonilla suspended baseball pallone hoping year suspension opinion downright ludicrous howie rose wfan start suspending athletes mentioned derogatory word single time conditions people remaining play game honestly analyze differences cases bring article reconsider thoughts sean scully 
jack morris nntp posting host cunixf columbia reply mike columbia michael chen organization columbia university lines article yorku shawn luddington writes article tedward cornell edward fischer writes article gspira greg spira writes howard wong howard wong writes jack lost edge worst start jack morris jack lost edge years average year prove good lucky count good tomorrow lucky prone starts finish year enjoying morris signing viola cheers valentine valentine boston world series rings fingers damn morris hall fame future toronto easily made signing boston year division shawn knew valentine made comment viola signing boston bring world series title boston valentine boston year talk sensitive insecure toronto fans case viola made signing viola younger left handed left handed starters toronto mike mike 
jewish baseball players lines article scott scott barman wasn bloomberg yankee base designated hitter jewish idea care point blomberg plate appearance designated hitter walk designated hitter designated hitter vesterman 
jewish baseball players lines article eastgate mark bernstein reminds serve kosher dogs comiskey onions things vesterman 
juggling dodgers lines article mark singer lasorda juggled lineup pirates friday night results conclude stick butler reclaimed leadoff spot season davis speed play night piazza strawberry primadonna insists batting cleanup lasorda game lineup batting strawman fourth primadonna insists batting cleanup true note lasorda fired reasons publicly humiliating players knuckling players wishes explanation lasorda wanted strawberry fourth hate strawberry vesterman 
talk phillies lines article mgwhiz phil gunsul edit newsgroup feed local elementary schools group students love baseball learning computers telling point edit files anymore read throw trash people wonderful include swear word signature files nice read article toss chop vesterman kids pictures dead presidents parents wallets mail vesterman dept mathematics university notre dame notre dame indiana 
lines article sean garrison players salaries hand point pace severely detrimental baseball future decrease players salaries increase owners salaries equivalent vesterman 
mcweekly stats lines article franjion colorado john franjione impression reading group bill james elias bunch money grubbing jerks mission charge baseball statistical info bill james yeah bill james players rating book vesterman 
bosox team record lines article ucar anthony michael jivoin hawk chance east year brings class work ethic leadership park bring ability pitch field vesterman 
talk phillies nntp posting host bach udel organization university delaware lines phillies salvaged weekend series chicago cubs beating wild wrigley field sunday afternoon phils game series time phillies lost series young season phils jumped lead game john kruk homers chamberlain homers danny jackson phillies middle relief unable hold lead mitch williams entered game phillies leading candy maldonado ninth inning homerun dave hollins shot year push phils ahead stay shaky bottom cubs scored runs tying runner base cubs pinch randy myers scanlan position players myers bunted double play game phils bring league leading record back action tuesday wednesday thursday padres 
jack morris organization stanford university newsreader version lines michael chen mike columbia wrote case viola made signing viola younger left handed left handed starters toronto agree viola signing lefthanded starters understand lefthanded spot relievers face righthanded batters lefthanded batters understand people insist lefthanded starters park effect yankee stadium batters righthanded righthanded starters platoon advantage lefthanded starters guess argument lefty starters teams vulnerable factor postseason teams seldom juggle starters reason regular season starters lefties righties lefthanded starters tend higher righthanded starters precisely managers start inferior lefties platoon advantage missing craig 
jack morris organization cornell univ dept ithaca lines article yorku shawn luddington writes valentine boston world series rings fingers damn morris hall fame future earn games blow world series started toronto easily made signing morris clemens give shit boston alomar olerud henke ward toronto rivera jack clark jeff reardon things looked fall give credit credit lavishing praise morris makes sick boston year division finish sixth finish give odds finish ahead blue jays valentine 
jack morris organization cornell univ dept ithaca lines article charles kozierok writes valid retort valentine morris viola choice expected wanted morris idiot giving million play giving year loaded safety question shots wise boston year division true lack contribution viola cares people expect boston finish sixth bottom teams year essentially tied boston seventh place wins yankees indians tied fourth place wins obvious improved indians tigers basically stronger year healthier starting pitchers relievers reason games indians shambles tigers pitching blowouts lose awful games play poorly games finish fourth place cheers valentine 
militello update organization cornell univ dept ithaca distribution lines article gatech michael andre mule writes yankee fans knocking prediction baltimore games orioles flooded mailbox cries militello good militello good noticed skipped strong outing chance columbus relying fourth fourth starter brittle pitching staff room rotation impressive april abbott pitching perez back wickman pitched rotation holding spot outstanding performance time kamieniecki poorly yankees find starter militello chance wait line valentine 
knepper damn organization sequoia peripherals lines sucked article austin jacobs writes heck women thinking baseball problems assuming guess surprised hear guess tiny fraction folks reading post agree kind doubt agree points time baseball replying brought postema umpire sued suing baseball grounds discrimination promoted majors jeez postema woman face earth thinks great opportunity watched games greater roast beef good umpires game hand experience ability umpire talk shows point call balls strikes umpires rulebook missing point sees role umpires game promote umpires primary role calling baserunners safe hell lundy primary function maintain order game game moving players kill umpires extremely tough people disqualifies women postema thinks deserves major league umpire command rulebook disqualifies umpires command game command rulebook secondary dave eisen succeed world dkeisen stanford stupid sequoia peripherals mannered voltaire home 
montreal question organization dept diego lines nntp posting host mbongo ucsd article mullin plymouth mully writes position mike lansing play find shortstop training year expos dave demers demers ucsd computer science engineering demers bitnet diego ucsd demers jolla 
talk phillies organization dept diego lines nntp posting host mbongo ucsd article rvesterm writes article mgwhiz phil gunsul kids pictures dead presidents parents wallets mail vesterman send shift dave demers demers ucsd computer science engineering demers bitnet diego ucsd demers jolla 
zane rescue simmons organization university california diego lines distribution nntp posting host cogsci ucsd summary early upset mamatha devineni ratnam writes simmons total idiot games season wait calling names simmons ready told otto impressive week otto latest debacle restored simmons reputation back form highest starters sake sake hope pitches rest season yeah expect dave otto pitcher idea simmons wanted hand expect release otto turn things pretty fast otto game score stinker points problem method otto performance infinitely excruciatingly prolonged tomlin merced disappointing decently considerable amount talent maturity shown seasons worse merced rookie year flukey give bats tomlin starts acting gloomy walk losing tonight walk desrved contract didn walk time bomb stuff whatsoever league finally realizes pretty rookie batters young surprised instant impact excellent performance surprise doughty fast doughty signed steve buechele move threatened bury kevin young minors doughty simmons signed martin year free agent season rookie pitchers worse expected cooke rotation yikes slaught contract extension year increased immensely baseball terms half life year injury prone catcher longer year lonnie smith eric davis signed comparable amount wanted dodger felt prove disastrous chance bucs sign eric field didnt pirates eric davis injured davis healthy lonnie smith year lonnie smith hits year asset looked terrible bases field skates smith package deal acquires lonnie defense base running stage real weirdo management sauer make forceful argument favor revenue sharing concerned pleasing idiot danforth preparing team move tampa goal team ownership sauer making boss happy revenue sharing comment alex cole fiasco stuff deleted ironically biggest accomplishment simmons tenure alex cole cheap gave expansion draft annoying leyland pushing retain jeff king unavoidable bigger accomplishments simmons tenure john smiley trading real prospects veterans stretch year drafting letting rookies show foley smith candelaria acquired replacement parts means fail damage bucs future compensatory draft picks bonds forget pirates rant rave picks issue appealed bucs lost initial arbitration case heard outcome final verdict doesnt convince simmons sauer idiots idiot case blame doug danforth fact suspect doug danforth shown willingness call shots moments pointed feet wondered latest posts site impersonate cummings drop short note jking 
dodger question organization university southern california angeles lines distribution nntp posting host mizar dodgers shopping harris teams quest left handed pitching takers personally harris defensive liability team past years hitting double plays leaders sharperson showed year chance play sharpy played base improve defensively wallach helped tremendously defense reed improved defense noticeable effect pitching staff astacio martinez bailed recent starts great defensive plays martinez pitched ninth game lifted past years astacio lasted innings similar circumstances dodgers turning double plays keeping balls infield year piazza great defense thrown batters steal pick wallach contributed improvement defense offense awful cost dodgers runs current average suspect slump davis straw dodger 
nntp posting host koufax organization hewlett packard company corvallis oregon lines article writes make aware winning west atlanta braves lead wire wire games houston astros percentage points ahead unbeatable braves deserve reason salvaging honor west supposed strongest division baseball lost east yesterday astros prevailing stretch farm animal natural length paula paul andresen hewlett packard home mckinley corvallis sabr member 
expanded strike zone surfeit offense organization mead data central dayton lines nntp posting host birch meaddata article fierkelab biochem duke eric roush writes article tedward cornell edward fischer writes able couple weeks homerific season umps squeezing strike zone watching braves strike zone expanded season specifically appears strike zone moved belt yeah announcers commented perception strike zone climbed letters ways letters perceptions judging reds pitchers performed appears zone squeezed size grape douglas ritter dougr life short ride hard uunet meaddata dougr 
found secret organization mead data central dayton lines distribution world nntp posting host taurus meaddata article tedward cornell edward fischer writes place games season wins clemens viola clemens starts tonight days rest clemens pitched saturday giving usual days rest rotation hesketh relief night brian curran mead data central brian asked catch temperature carlton fisk chicago white catcher playing degree april ball game 
pleasant yankee surprises organization cornell univ dept ithaca lines article bitnet writes article sepinwal upenn alan sepinwall writes spike owen hitting crazy field save life brought provide defense velarde stankiewicz silvestri defensively owen remember early offense tail defense improve heard year years highest fielding percentage major league shortstops tony mets team fernandez agree looked impressive field owen error underrepresents harm field owen cleanly play ball reaches fine fielding percentage problem reach straight obvious problem playing kelly gruber robin ventura baseman yankees wade boggs moved diamond year game abbott start balls left side stopped quality defensive players charged hits abbott cheers valentine 
braves pitching updatedir organization adobe systems incorporated lines article drake writes starter quality pitchers mound teams score runs team scores runs wins puts team pitching advantage providing stop opposing team scoring runs scoring game benefit braves clear team winning games games game luck play bigger role game sherri nichols snichols 
expanded strike zone surfeit offense nntp posting host spot colorado organization university colorado boulder lines jrogoff skidmore rogoff writes impression watching mets rockies umpires calling strikes belt letters nice case umps weekend boxscores knew pitchers needed watching sunrise mike timlin timlin colorado 
billy taylor brave organization university british columbia vancouver canada lines distribution world nntp posting host unixg billy taylor richmond syracuse jays rule draft roster baseball weekly demoted syracuse toronto paper braves back atlanta reading 
defensive averages base summary career defensive averages organization university illinois dept comp urbana lines compiled defensive average reports career individual players reports stats courtesy sherri nichols players listed descending order basemen mitchell kevin gonzales rene leius scott pendleton terry ventura robin wallach gruber kelly pagliarulo mike harris lance howell jack williams matt caminiti sabo chris gaetti gary buechele steve salazar luis pecota bill schmidt mike riles ernie boggs wade martinez egdar molitor paul phillips tony average brookens king jeff seitzer kevin average jacoby brook hansen dave vance magadan dave jefferies greg sharperson mike zeile todd baerga carlos hayes chris livingstone scott hamilton kelly lyons steve oberkfell johnson howard bell buddy lansford carney presley schu rick worthington hollins dave sheffield gary blauser jeff fryman travis gantner gomez palmer dean dale stephenson steph uiuc grad student large considered good wise overburdened information golden kimball 
time greats team organization allegheny college lines article reed writes dave winfield sentence aaron robinson terms peak repeat peak years winfield batted season drove runs times injury consistently knocking home runs looked dave winfield slugging percentage seasons dave time athletes play baseball line drives scoreboard left center field feat stadium heck people green fence remodeled field bullet hitting comparable seasons gary sheffields barry bonds season older slowing takes uppercut lift ball park hero idol make happier george inviting dave back bronx play year ball yankees refuse offer million dollars play heck giving gallego million year dave leaving time play field tartabull injured nokes mass traded give yanks inspiration leadership sweep yankee domination michael lurie 
pleasant yankee surprises organization allegheny college lines article sepinwal upenn alan sepinwall writes pleasant pleasant surprises edition bronx bombers wickman friend made comparison wickman jack morris impressive stats find morris losing ability figured wickman important part steve trade trade ruth winding good middle reliever pitch pretty kind abott trade trade rookie year snow mattingly years bother 
pleasant yankee surprises organization allegheny college lines article sepinwal upenn alan sepinwall writes farr howe infinite thing today howe inning attributed incorrect excellent report 
yankee fears organization allegheny college lines youm thing steve howe farr worst pitcher yankee pitching talking post answers mail reply post answers mailing meaqns post final results horrid pitcher mind 
pleasant yankee surprises organization allegheny college lines article sepinwal upenn alan sepinwall writes alan thought written entertaining style 
dave kingman hall fame organization johns hopkins university lines distribution nntp posting host jhuvms summary dave winfield marginal ballplayer yeah keywords hall fame winfield kingman murray lundy news software vnews article steve tomassi writes baseball fans deserves heck dave winfield considered smith give dave kingman chance darrell evans yeah yeah hall fame takes eddie murray jeff reardon yeah dave winfield marginal player lick negligible power crap fielder staying power dave winfield entering league season damn decent hitter admittedly defense slipped great deal prime powerful great range stats begin make argument winfield kingman similar players kingman dimension power hitter field anvil average remember hideous things important absolute primo dick eddie murray baseman votes conducted mediots jobbed deserved overrated media smith hmm pretty close solid dependable career closer pitching nasty parks wrigley fenway closer stats arthur caliber make legitimate point credentials relievers simply racking saves hell blow bunch simply minnesota boston month atlanta reardon closer longer equalizer racked impressive number saves homerman imho darrell evans nice career underrated kinda simmons imho case sick tired sick giving hall fame consideration players today standards marginal lemme hell playing game marginal honestly ozzie smith robin yount belong shortstops hung long time deal selective stop handing honors liberally save deserve face wait goddamn minute ozzie smith absolutely redefined position shortstop defense good lines gold gloves gold gloves mediot biased good argument made larkin deserved ozzie recent awards tempered early gold gloves ozzie deserved earlier career ozzie offense good great speed numbers park career depressed offense admittedly power cept niedenfuer definite asset offensively yount hits positions real stiff great years player recent memory ranks peak seasons wagner banks numbers clear imho prestige hall fame anymore individuals steve garvey jack morris potential candidates absurdity apparent compare future hall famers kirby puckett nolan ryan garvey garvey mediot candidate pushed winning attitude minor factor great defense errors admittedly range tree stump garvey skyjack nasty things skyjack year response mediots woofers talk morris ability morris ability pitch toronto score tons runs point morris average pitcher early returns damned close fairness morris dominant pitcher tiger teams great year detroit rest decade team generally contention favorites morris career numbers good worthy consideration ryan careful guarantee throw back earlier logic yount smith shortstops hung long time nolan damn pitcher hung years record mediocre nolan puck play years years good make puckett make pretty rest career turns barring tragic sudden popular media fans legitimately game joined league hope make puck make early sell debate frequently tire interesting subject head list potential team left couple feel free follow started playing early note active players counting recent retirees baltimore ripken lock gehrig record stands boston roger clemens lock amazing dawson detroit alan trammell whitaker possibilities milwaukee robin yount discussed earlier york wade boggs possibly mattingly long shot toronto paul molitor jack morris possibilities kansas city george brett lock minnesota kirby early winfield lock oakland eckersley lock mcgwire early rickey lock welch long shot texas mighty nolan early canseco strange cubs sandberg lock louis ozzie lock smith york murray lock saberhagen regain past form vince coleman angeles butler strawberry hershiser long shots diego tony gwynn pretty good shot colorado dale murphy good shot ryan bowen awake flames head list deserving candidates left include barry bonds clark atlanta starting pitcher frank thomas canseco mcgriff considered started playing mail post fear started bruce hasch hasch sell team hitter good fastball hitter throw fastball larry andersen 
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baseballisdead organization american software development corp west babylon lines article uchicago writes question media embrace theme death baseball strongly articles similar vein chicago tribune sports editorials baseball business responsible fiscal aspects game preach gloom doom allegedly intelligent people predict times losing money bankruptcies alarming rate increased degradation product produce imagine problems promoting major league baseball stock plummet unthinkable depths happen admitted cutting corners producing inferior product alleged labor problems shows lack confidence people game frustrates media things inevitably leads owners quick fixes increasing play offs satisfy television interleague play drum interest forget word divisions wild card deal decided negotiations networks begin scott barman mets mailing list feed shell scott mail mets request subscribe mets 
time players organization lehigh university lines article mbstultz bsuvc writes recently working project determine greatest players respective postions sources total baseball james historical abstract ballplayers biography word mouth biased opinions feel free comment suggest flame objective statistical data inlcuded time convience sake judged total average fielding range runs total player rating total baseball stolen bases curiosity sake years played career gehrig jimmie foxx eddie murray hank greenberg johnny mize willie mccovey dick allen harmon killebrew kieth hernandez people named keith bill terry george sisler eddie collins morgan jackie robinson rogers hornsby lajoie rhyne sandberg learn spell ryne charlie gehringer carew bobby grich bobby doerr honus wagner ripken john lloyd ozzie smith robin yount cronin arky vaughan luke appling ernie banks boudreau mike schmidt matthews george brett wade boggs santo brooks robinson frank baker darrell evans traynor dandridge brooks ahead santo josh gibson darren daulton yogi berra johnny bench mickey cochrane bill dickey gabby hartnett campanella gary carter carlton fisk thurman munson williams stan musial rickey henderson carl yastrzemski barry bonds raines jackson ralph kiner willie stargell simmons willie mays cobb tris speaker mickey mantle dimaggio oscar charleston andre dawson duke snider kirby puckett dale murphy babe ruth hank aaron frank robinson kaline reggie jackson dave winfield roberto clemente tony gwynn pete rose walter johnson lefty grove young christy mathewson pete alexander seaver roger clemens gibson warren spahn satchel paige juan marichal whitey ford feller palmer steve carlton estimated ruth williams mays cobb aaron wagner speaker schmidt johnson mantle musial dimaggio robinson grove henderson gibson young collins foxx mathewson alexander morgan robinson hornsby seaver clemens matthews lajoie yastrzemski kaline brett gibson spahn charleston berra ripken lloyd raines sandberg gehringer smith yount bonds paige jackson marichal ford feller boggs feel free comment mike 
evil smile face cubs beat braves organization university illinois urbana lines hats cubs muster courage braves fans braves consecutive world series cubs hand braves fans capable driving crazy infernal cheer protest cubs fans stupid stupid acknowledge observation plain wrong confused bear fans weeks cubs finish division florida sheesh people predicting braves clean respective division games season people vocal east grabs exception florida team good batting pitching philly presently leading pack point cubs east benefit competent manager pains pennant west chest benefit compee 
jose canseco swing organization julio machado candlelight vigil society distribution lines videos night studying videotapes jose canseco proved interesting enlightening analysis jose canseco circa jose canseco circa june bulked period lose pounds gain bulk speed absolutely vanished conservatively lost speed huge amount speed open stance killing note acts sort brian downing open start closes ball released downing significant head movement canseco note canseco close stance hips open fully closed good starting point hard make adjustments swing jose salting large cash touch work restructure entire swing minimize movement swing close widen stance severely stride swing time swing move bathead freely drop pounds weight work relax wrists cost power find stroke concentrate keeping back shoulder rolling wrists strike zone line drives strength line drives park canseco open stance resulting habits result back problems baseball years gary huckabay loud hole movie rights trouble hearing happy turn frank people king 
brewer bullpen rocked organization computing services division university wisconsin milwaukee lines distribution world nntp posting host originator paul straight game california scored late runs crush brewhas runs monday yesterday jamie navarro pitched strong innings orosco austin manzanillo lloyd part mockery bullpen yesterday numbers maldanado pitched scoreless innings navarro lowest staff wegman ouch hitters hamilton batting thon hitting highest hitter jaha vaughn team ouch stats hard team fact sound averaging runs game giving game early things undoubtedly offense bullpen major worry fetters plesac austin gave brewers great middle relief year lloyd maldanado manzanillo fetters austin orosco pick pace team successful milwaukee number games year middle relief held small leads small deficits place starters defense alright hitting bullpen question mark news nilsson doran reactivated yesterday william suero mcintosh picked montreal today game california cancelled salty 
ryan organization scientific computing divison ncar boulder lines heard minutes radio denver nolan ryan arthroscopic knee miss weeks rockies nied lead mets gooden runs inning gregg baseball ucar colorado rockies 
fred mcgriff padres free agent organization stanford university lines 
braves pitching updatedir lines newsreader version dave naehring wrote article snichols sherri nichols writes single piece evidence find points major league baseball offense defense scored important prevented passes common sense test statistical evidence percent defense pitching percent fielding sherri data find fascinating chapters palmer thorn hidden game titled pitching baseball implying fielding determine beats long long time read separate offense batting baserunning split neal traven young traven pitt immature forever larry andersen 
tigers organization university mexico albuquerque lines nntp posting host carina thud kurt bose daisy rose kbos cleanse mindless woofing site posts article subject form team simply directory hunt beat senseless easy rewarding 
sparky anderson tigers beat organization oakland university rochester michigan lines nntp posting host vela oakland tigers manager sparky anderson career moments tigers completed game sweep oakland tiger stadium beating highlights oakland detroit chad krueter scored skeeter barnes double bottom ninth dennis eckersley give tigers victory barnes single score thurmond score ninth eckersley runs single mcgwire solo homer reuben sierra deer doubled home kirk gibson tiger john doherty pitched strong game tigers lasting seventh inning relieved bolton david haas haas bobby witt started replaced honeycutt goose gossage finally eckersly doherty gave runs witt gave tiger eckerseley gave post game interview radio detroit sparky anderson times emotional managing career moment tiger fans unanimously happy number circumstances woof tigers randy 
jose canseco swing distribution organization olivetti cupertino lines article ucdavis gary built villanueva huckabay writes analysis jose canseco circa jose canseco circa june bulked period lose pounds gain bulk years conditioning guru told jose carrying weight losing back jose steroids back problems similar problems alot steroid users experience simply carrying weight frame jeff bregel textbook imho jose frame speed absolutely vanished conservatively lost speed huge amount speed imagine estimate speed pretty obvious jose missing fastballs back open stance killing note acts sort brian downing open start closes ball released downing significant head movement canseco note canseco close stance hips open fully closed good starting point hard make adjustments swing open stance problems back problems quick cover deficiencies stance caused lost speed stance hurts trigger mechanism cold hitch minimize movement swing close widen stance severely stride swing time swing move bathead freely biggest problem imho found stance comfortable months stance loses track strike zone wednesday night game strike calls corners looked pretty good longer strike zone changed stance concerned palmer gonzalez hitting homeruns competitive swing harder screw worse larussa canseco famous batting practice homer shows harm good encouraged hitting habits russ smith george gervin assistant coach 
phillies deja lines newsreader version robert hite philly udel wrote problems arose manager gene mauch ineptitude managing pitching staff stretch abused bunning chris short robin roberts pitching days rest time time weeks season ounce left roberts long oriole colt starter mahaffey previous year dennis bennett starter final games horrid loss streak final game victory bunning memory serves reds tying title phils game cards giants game back mets hold early lead cards final sunday saved runs scored saturday crushed louis neal traven young traven pitt immature forever larry andersen 
tigers organization freshman general carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply basically agree tigers favorite team pitching year htat hole bout home opener tuesday sparky today 
mcrae bobby davis organization university cincinnati nntp posting host flash lines smsu writes mcrae worst manager baseball royals games judge tactics point waste talent talent staffs league finding lose royals chance pennant mcrae suddenly began channeling john mcgraw decent pitchers offense consists bums gagne lind mcreynolds mcrae hill brett finish mcgraw brings christy mathewson back hard evaluate manager hitters suck davis 
jewish baseball players organization lafayette college lines originator news nntp posting host lafibm wondering friend talking reason names jewish baseball players past present able sandy koufax stankowitz john lowenstein sounds pretty lame racking brains humor bobby 
wfan organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn article philly udel robert hite writes article writes listen wfan talking sports radio staion york clear night signal reaches east coast berman mike lupica show school virginia listen wondering signal strong live west philadelphia perfectly sports fans dream person hear teams school lupica berman turned lupica berman wanted work full hour show coleman dave sims hour slot broken seperate hour show lupica berman happen suck comparison eddie dave back sports radio station close ultimate sports radio philadelphia signal powerful stations york feel obligated pollute airwaves bunch hoodlum mets fans complaining hours sports jockeys jody macdonald steve fredericks rockin sports talk till midnight check anytime hours philadelphia mistaken highest sports talk ratings nation live philly hear stand loathe philly sports teams phillies favorite team yanks favorite eagles problems total emphasis home teams eagles unlike hosts answer question town team caller asks hosts clue team play broad street fans periodic sports updates minutes sports news scores country rare hear town score reported hosts exception jody macdonald miss days hosts broad knowledge sport good presence worst gary cobb hired solely basis play eagles cents battle alan 
notes jays indians series nntp posting host organization math stats dalhousie university halifax canada distribution lines klopfens bgsu bruce klopfenstein writes charles kozierok writes article stanford nelson writes guess line love alomar fans left rbis list give break alomar fans left fans runs list dependant team large extent frank thomas lose place hitters drive runs happen devon white front gord niguma player john olerud 
notes jays indians series nntp posting host organization math stats dalhousie university halifax canada distribution lines klopfens bgsu bruce klopfenstein writes dtate david tate writes klopfens bgsu bruce klopfenstein love alomar fans left rbis list left rbis comparing alomar individual baerga individual individual stats count give break forgot runs scored players stealing home count mistake happen gord niguma player john olerud 
jewish baseball players organization homewood academic computing johns hopkins university baltimore lines nntp posting host jhunix article lafayette writes wondering friend talking reason names jewish baseball players past present able sandy koufax stankowitz john lowenstein sounds pretty lame racking brains humor bobby hank greenberg famous jewish faith affected play missing late season world series games kippur pablo iglesias 
ryan rumor article texdude organization bradley university lines nntp posting host bradley nolan ryan hurt knee inning rangers orioles game night arthoscopic surgery weeks convinced rangers rotation stay healthy year phil allen texdude bradley 
software baseball stats article danberg distribution world organization lawrence livermore national laboratory lines nntp posting host danberg llnl software free runs unix track statistics company softball team batting post respond mail bergmann dbergmann 
notes jays indians series organization university illinois dept comp urbana distribution lines klopfens bgsu bruce klopfenstein writes kime torolab edward writes tend call offensive contributions alomar wins hands defensive capabilities talking number errors including lind range athleticism base recall recent past turning double play alomar stats baerga defensive baseman league damn good check stats year defensive average stats posted sherri baerga highest percentage turned league alomar worst alomar higher defensive average alomar opportunities groundballs double plays alomar groundouts turned baerga groundouts baerga opportunites groundballs double plays alomar groundouts baerga groundouts baerga lower baerga consistently turn double plays alomar established high level defense baerga alomar year year baerga good dale stephenson steph uiuc grad student large considered good wise overburdened information golden kimball 
stats organization memorial university newfoundland lines doug stats great immensely mail comments mail server recognize address mail info mail bragg jbragg 
hate mention acker keywords acker orioles doppleackers nntp posting host binkley mcgill organization distribution lines article hasch bruce hasch writes article paula paul andresen writes feel causing karma organized baseball glad asked relatives impersonating baltimore orioles pitching staff personally evil ackers kidnapped real staff process impersonating mussina sutcliffe mcdonald olson apparently alien life form people planet mars form ability remains people spotted teams date appears orioles staff mentioned expos bullpen barnes walton fassero gardiner rojas prime target apparently john wetteland roughed people spring training fact system rejected takeover contact authorities evil plot stopped people jack morris juan guzman enjoy watching toronto fans suffer returned normal scot scot hughes department chemical engineering expos falcon mcgill mcgill university montreal quebec witty 
mcrae torre worst manager scott scott davis reply scott scott davis organization mccall pattern manhattan nntp posting host nntp posting user scott lines article smsu writes gatech brian landmann writes torre worst manager baseball brian distressed cardinal mcrae worst manager baseball waste talent talent staffs league finding lose surprised makes weeks drastic improvement made news report mcrae batting coach manager reason reason royals manager late scott davis mccall pattern company uucp widener depot mccall scott mccall road kansas manhattan 
notes jays indians series nntp posting host unseen acns organization northwestern university evanston illinois distribution lines article dtate david tate writes substituting irony brains bruce klopfenstein dtate david tate writes left rbis comparing alomar individual baerga individual individual stats count forgot runs scored players stealing home count forgot barring base fraction runs solo runs scored happened players base batter good phrase happened advisedly lots people figure players ability turn notch clutch situations found evidence ability measurable extent clutch hitters people tend things base rbis proportional teammates obliged position mistake agree worthless stat stolen bases runners front player pitchers pitch differently people bases batting average slugging hmm guess homers count point perfect stat stat lack clutch hitters stat people 
phillies ballpark future derby expires organization virginia commonwealth university keywords phillies summary phillies lines attn live inthe philadelphia metro area back september listening remember morning talking mayor rendell topic conversation ball park phillies location park suggested station time mayor optimisitic future reality news subject pipe dream city philadelphia projects ahead convention center upcoming spectrum nice reality planned phillies leave leave solely eagles case eagles make grass stadium story comments 
dave kingman hall fame organization bellcore livingston lines article steve tomassi writes baseball fans deserves heck dave winfield considered smith give dave kingman chance darrell evans yeah yeah hall fame takes eddie murray jeff reardon respond involving personal feeling perceptions stats back points approached wrong people mentioned deserve hall fame dave kingman feel players fell deserve deserve imho dave kingman definately couple years atleast respectable averag rest career feared pitchers game part career back hall fame dave winfield feared pitchers season respectable average production numbers opinion stats kingman perceive leader people leader made substantial contributions game baseball society examples charitable things yankees type player kids definately criteria hall fame deserves consideration smith stats definately deserve likes kingman darrell evans eddie murray good career leader silent good role model stats good kingman average power numbers good winfield eddie publicity great years jeff reardon guess kind depends numbers head smith case sick tired sick giving hall fame consideration players today standards marginal honestly ozzie smith robin yount belong shortstops hung long time deal strongly disagree deserve talked leadership leaders instumental leading teams post season robin good offensive numbers average power ozzie numbers offensively difference ozzie gave home saved making incredible play shortstop shattered aaron home mark great plays saved games great plays motivated team rally game numbers baseball numbers winning baseball numbers proven stars belong hall fame george brett belongs class player selective stop handing honors liberally save deserve face prestige hall fame anymore individuals steve garvey jack morris potential candidates absurdity apparent compare future hall famers kirby puckett nolan ryan steve garvey guess making case jack morris choice bring kirby puckett reason definately time left career continues turn definately nolan ryan doubt heard records good hear number numbers contributions game community great role model pitcher pitch game pitcher hall fame accomplishments hitters strikeouts respectable numbers weaker teams hope votes summing groups belong lean belong stats possibly hearing reasons winfield yount brett mail smith puckett ryan murray smith reardon garvey morris evans definately kingman stats numbers back opinions based perceptions mike steve 
notes jays indians series organization local organization distribution lines article stanford nelson writes basemen history good season alomar year guess line walks give general valuable slugging alomar edge larger baerga edge slugging sdcn valuable hits doubles triples forget extra hits homers valuable forget outs ways baerga higher numbers playing time hits homers forget cost outs answer question alomar baerga minute alomar side alomar splits baerga pretty alomar huge boost home park make good equal rated baerga higher mike disclaimer opiini damn exit quitbye ctrlaltdel logout save quit quit zz helpquit exit quit ctrlshftdel stop 
week organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host sandman caltech offensive production index players bats early season high numbers years leader frank thomas teams denoted character player team preceeding equations found post comments suggestions kevin league league league league rank player carter baerga phillips mcgwire white anderson owen rhenderson thon browne palmer gibson howard tartabull rodriguez gonzalez zupcic felder blankenship puckett oneill belle buhner hamilton whitaker fielder sprague cora raines kelly quintana tmartinez gonzales burks snow karkovice cleveland sorrento amaral cooper winfield curtis mvaughn steinbach oakland maas joyner knoblauch greenwell brosius olerud mercedes nyyankees hoiles kmak dhenderson lofton larkin dawson camartinez gladden polonia california detroit tettleton disarcina easley baines franco ljohnson vizquel bwilliams gvaughn hrbek cripken seattle salmon mcreynolds toronto texas pagliarulo whitesox hiatt guillen thomas mcrae boston hill mattingly baltimore gomez minnesota fisk jefferson neel cdavis fletcher milwaukee livingstone ralomar kansascity bordick canseco valle devereaux lind surhoff brett bell salomar jaha fryman boggs bripken mack harper fermin rivera spiers yount schofield hulse griffey obrien macfarlane sierra jose hatcher blowers ventura palmeiro reynolds mayne myers nokes calderon pena molitor deer cuyler borders grebeck gdavis dascenzo leius reimer djackson gill gagne propulsion laboratory schmke caltech grove schmidt nasa pasadena 
week organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host sandman caltech offensive production index players bats early season high numbers barry bonds finished season comments suggestions kevin league league league league rank player daulton kruk grace boston bell galarraga pena zeile mitchell lansing slaught vanderwal tfernandez martinez bagwell hayes eyoung alou milligan dykstra bonds conine plantier gonzalez anthony cole sanders berry sosa jefferies vanslyke montreal butler grissom king gwynn merced murray gilkey bonilla walters wilson weiss philadelphia justice pittsburgh osmith incaviglia young stlouis colorado hundley orsulak benjamin gant nymets houston pitcher morandini cedeno sabo manwaring snfrancisco blauser thompson caminiti barberie cordero sheffield karros williams mcgriff destrade girardi bream wood santiago thompson clayton piazza bell wallach larkin garcia cincinnati coleman kent whiten roberts cubs lewis finley clark pitcher sndiego lemke losangeles mcgee atlanta sanders oliver gardner reed hollins florida davis pendleton clark strawberry biggio bell magadan pagnozzi martin bichette taubensee bolick pose cianfrocco johnson kelly nixon pitcher pitcher buechle lankford olson vizcaino sanchez duncan offerman pitcher laker chamberlain pitcher pitcher pitcher maldonado felix espy jordan berryhill pitcher shipley pitcher pitcher benavides pitcher wilkins pitcher pitcher propulsion laboratory schmke caltech grove schmidt nasa pasadena 
oakland oaks memorabilia organization microsoft corp distribution lines ebbets field flannels seattle makes lots minor negro league jackets jerseys things real spendy jersey authentic nicely made paul long live steve bilko angels phone number catalog shows oaks jerseys home home home merchandise handmade authentic replica couple excellent wool caps jackets call mailing list afford prices anton 
ryam weeks organization university texas arlington lines nolan ryan torn cartlidge inhis knee surgery expected miss weeks 
defensive averages base organization university illinois dept comp urbana lines steph uiuc dale stephenson writes compiled defensive average reports career individual players reports stats courtesy sherri nichols players listed descending order comments players deleted basemen mitchell kevin kevin mitchell expected spot gonzales rene accident names base year glove average points higher leagues year leius scott good moving short pendleton terry highest year regular year good kevin mitchell ventura robin wallach gruber kelly elite fielders league pagliarulo mike interesting line figure slightly average pathetic year part mobility yankees padres rotten infield twins judging leius gaetti metrodome good place play williams matt elite fielders list caminiti sabo chris fielders career average overstate happened caminiti judging previous years fluke sabo average incredible year brings average buechele steve strange years schmidt mike reputation fielders base average average boggs wade boggs pretty good happened year average martinez egdar year fluke portent average seitzer kevin average leagues defensive averages close year year ideas jacoby brook brook declining hansen dave magadan dave jefferies greg time regulars average jefferies grief fielding good year improved average fielder average fielder zeile todd zeile hand average fielder year points average park terry pendleton excellent years baerga carlos moving back good idea hayes chris hayes supposed good defensively grand total year league pretty year johnson howard lansford carney howard johnson carney lansford separated birth credit hojo average year lansford break mark year glove hollins dave good hitter fielding work sheffield gary good fielder blauser jeff fryman travis shortstop gomez consecutive horrible years camden yards helped fielding palmer dean texas slugger debuts lowest career lowest congratulations dean dale stephenson steph uiuc grad student large considered good wise overburdened information golden kimball 
stooges reply mjones kingston organization development kingston lines apparenly resigned herm winningham contract larry simmons signed contract released buffalo allowing curly gorman circumvent rule resigning free agents bright mike jones high development mjones kingston make make faster 
yankee fears nntp posting host steam xylogics reply reeve xylogics scott reeve organization xylogics burlington lines rawley eastwick 
notes jays indians series nntp posting host organization math stats dalhousie university halifax canada distribution lines lyford webo lyford beverage writes article tedward cornell edward fischer writes article rudy rudy wade writes article niguma gord niguma writes reference history season basemen history good season alomar year measure popularity toronto count basing statement baerga flash alomar hitter year batters baerga alomar fascinating alomar hitter year immediately follow numbers showing baerga year category shows advantage alomar hmm walks baerga clobbered alomar beat lesser margin putting factors player point edge productive player point edge issue studied doubt convincing argument people batting average worth studied issue closely fact baerga outs alomar baerga making outs alomar drawing walks base carter winfield gord niguma player john olerud 
sandberg runs rbis notes jays indians series distribution nntp posting host crchh organization bell northern research dallas lines article niguma gord niguma writes alomar fans left fans runs list dependant team large extent frank thomas lose place hitters drive runs happen devon white front pretty sandberg correct wrong rbis runs scored important offensive statistics talk fact remains team scores runs wins game flame john bratt gord niguma player john olerud 
torre worst manager lines nntp posting host acad drake organization drake university moines iowa article gatech brian landmann writes torre worst manager baseball sunday game hander pitching decides bench lankform left handed hitter play jordan gilkey handers ninth inning bases loaded outs puts lankford hitter power pinch runner luis alicea hitter power pinch hitter hell thinking educate years manager year lankford injured previous game torre resting whitten gilkey controversy whitten adds needed power jordan continues gilkey find starting lineup brian landmann georgia institute technology internet gatech 
jewish baseball players bobby davis organization university cincinnati nntp posting host flash lines hank greenberg greatest subject heckling bigots opposing teams stands affect performance negatively davis 
omar vizquel grand salami organization lake stevens lines omar grand slam result club week banner appeared kingdome older women omar cheryl cheryl marks address cherylm desk cheryl marks telenet bell usps cheryl marks soper hill road everett good thing wonderful west 
pleasant yankee surprises organization cornell univ dept ithaca lines article luriem michael lurie liberalizer writes kind abott trade trade rookie year snow mattingly years bother make wagers snow mattingly baseball years skeptical snow good player losing team skeptical back mattingly year players play chronic back problems wrong smart cheers valentine 
baseballisdead organization university denver dept math comp lines scott scott barman writes forget word divisions wild card deal decided negotiations networks begin preliminary negotiations started word sloowly greg 
talk phillies summary bullshit organization stanford university lines article lehigh brian michael lucy subject talk phillies date organization lehigh university lines article amit likhy writes excerpts netnews sport baseball talk phillies msopher stevens spell cellar ninja philly fans money stop woofing rivera hammered true week tonight pitched shutout innings runs phrase fuck 
notes jays indians series organization cornell univ dept ithaca distribution lines article acns edward ouellette writes point perfect stat stat lack clutch hitters stat people hoping mention clutch clutch baerga words simply runners scoring position baerga batted year suck batters situation alomar runners scoring position difference alomar rbis baerga rbis baerga chances succeeded times frankly clutch vote alomar valentine 
dave kingman hall fame organization university denver dept math comp lines steve tomassi writes baseball fans deserves heck dave winfield considered smith give dave kingman chance darrell evans yeah yeah hall fame takes eddie murray jeff reardon lack ability rate players dave winfield career half people hall fame eddie murray darrel evans players time smith greatest long career relief pitcher exception gossage hand kingman players time reardon good pitcher smith class career wise case sick tired sick giving hall fame consideration players today standards marginal honestly ozzie smith robin yount belong shortstops hung long time deal talking players time shortstops history selective stop handing honors liberally save deserve face prestige hall fame anymore individuals steve garvey jack morris potential candidates absurdity apparent garvey sucked morris good pitcher simply belong cooperstown compare future hall famers kirby puckett nolan ryan puckett ryan hall marginal hall famers puckett hitting year longer perspective listing linear weights values careers players mention parenthesis high greatest list make claim perfect rankings give good careers compared average players robin yount ozzie smith dave winfield eddie murray darrel evans kirby puckett nolan ryan jack morris dave kingman steve garvey give idea numbers compare hall eligible players career stats equaled hall fame include century players santo bobby grich johnson eligible score eligible score greg 
phillies ballpark future organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn philadelphia inquirer days reported plans phillies stadium mentioned street station proposal location broad street race street remember exact details stadium build practically downtown small paper street plan trouble amtrak reroute lines order accomodate stadium opinion letting options discussed plans effect keith keller rangers quakers kkeller upenn league champs opinion give 
score abbrev woes organization skidmore college saratoga springs lines figure score abbreviations make absolutely sense local gannett finds door stared cleman mets good seconds morning wondering hell make sense colemn 
infield rule organization skidmore college saratoga springs lines infield question puzzled addressed rule deal situation infield declared ball caught runners advance risk ball infield caught point runner legally leave base fear doubled advancing early ball hits ground fielder touches ball hits ground enlightenment appreciated 
jewish baseball players nntp posting host amhux amherst organization amherst college newsreader version lines baseball players past present able sandy koufax stankowitz john lowenstein sounds pretty lame racking brains humor john lowenstein definately jewish baltimore thought told baltimore jewish times admitted joke 
wfan nntp posting host berkeley kstar node yale organization yale university lines article philly udel robert hite wrote sports jockeys jody macdonald steve fredericks dude nuts wfan jody exit loss fredericks pretty skewed sean 
phillies deja keywords phillies organization locus computing corporation angeles california lines article erics eric smith writes yeah phillies played heads year caught game streak phillies time dodgers finish games back closest minute scrambles born late pleistocene remember year dodgers games finished sixth league kind world series previous year year warren usui universe scale 
phillies deja keywords phillies organization netcom line communication services guest lines previously wrote yeah phillies played heads year caught game streak phillies time september painful thing remember phillies league year memory biggest lead games ahead famous game losing streak began streak found lose rebounded couple games thing final finished tied giants game dodgers finish games back closest minute scrambles stirred childhood memories research final month season turns recollections pretty darn accurate phillies record september standings philadelphia cincinnati louis francisco game game description remainder phillies season date score opponent lead pitcher starting winner loser houston bunning houston short houston bennett francisco mahaffey baldschun francisco bunning francisco short baldschun angeles bennett angeles wise angeles mahaffey louis bunning baldschun cardinals place cincinnati louis short francisco bennett francisco mahaffey giants move louis francisco bunning cardinals back sole possesion place houston short houston bennett houston bunning angeles wise schantz angeles short baldschun angeles bennett baldschun angeles bunning reds move back cardinals good phillies falls cincinnati mahaffey reds sole possesion place cincinnati short cincinnati bennett milwaukee bunning milwaukee short boozer cards back giants milwaukee mahaffey schantz milwaukee bunning phils lose games days reds cardinals back louis short cardinals place phils drop louis bennett reds cardinals tied louis bunning cardinals game lead reds cincinnati short roebuck phillies halt game losing streak cards lead reds game play cards lose mets reds tied phils game back cincinnati bunning cards beat mets reds phillies whew finish final standings louis philadelphia cincinnati francisco phillies pitchers bunning short overused rotation standard game losing streak time mauch desperate cost phillies substantial lead evaporated time made problem worse bunning sharpest games year final shutout reds cost reds share pennant bunning pitched complete game hitter striking walking inetersting total innings year bunning short stacks rest league notice phillies played september october play substantially games teams teams couple days stretch eric smith erics erics 
dylan baseball abstract distribution organization rutgers univ brunswick lines found reading village voice noted sports coverage occasionally print interesting features year predictions team analyses season presented form dylan lyrics article front give memorable remember melody interest yankess tune subterranean homesick blues howe basement mixing medicine george pavement thinking bout government wade boggs trench coat paid back laid kids somethin columbus mets tune rolling stone time played fine threw dykstra prime people beware cone bound roam thought kidding laugh strawberry headin talk loud proud shop vince coleman deal phillies tune highway daulton dykstra highway giants tune ballad rubin hurricane carter story magowan petersburg sits owner tampian world bill moakler rutgers anime moakler rutgers atlantic anime alliance brunswick chibi otaku free 
cubbies game keywords tickets parking parka nntp posting host staff organization carlos hormones distribution lines suffering intense minnesota induced cabin fever decided road trip milwaukee couple games weekend couple games county stadium great relieve tension thought wrigley game cubs playing phillies start eastern time listed figured bounce wrigley game live wondering cubbie fans advice taking skokie south runs wrigley planning hour early paying nose parking things easy probable able walk bleacher seats game figure early year ryno weather great able tickets advance tickets call cubs ticket office directly pick tickets call window advice game inflatable dolls present lundy bleachers dave hung acker slider kirsch blue jays kirsch quotes context beat dead horse couple weeks disappoints punishments discharges jackhammering stephen lawrence 
yankee fears organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn mail mailserver recognize worst pitcher yanks team scott schizophrenic kamienicki occasionally pitch innings starts insane sign losing stuff mind starts stalk mound batters yell worst time yanks pitcher gotta york pitch gulp york whitson nuff outta vladimir alan sepinwall xvii water cold kent people sexually frustrated kilmer real genius 
sandberg runs rbis notes jays indians series reply uchicago organization university chicago distribution lines article bratt nosubdomain nodomain john bratt writes rbis runs scored important offensive statistics talk fact remains team scores runs wins game flame team necessarily game runs important statistice team newspaper rank team offense batting average individual player runs rbis context dependent player teammates position batting order frank uchicago card moops school standard disclaimers 
predictions laugh nntp posting host spot colorado organization university colorado boulder lines tedward cornell edward fischer writes jpalmer hassey minor league manager yankees dunno happened major league coach rockies prediction doubly wrong prediction cubs series vikings broncos superbore occur world rockie finish offensive catagory year rockie starter rangers fade begin august give angels challenge making strike zzt listening valentine dylan wilbanks environ official usenet rabid major colorado boulder colorado rockies clip boulder rockies woof life bigger space intenionally blank 
phils east weak distribution world organization georgetown university lines love people blaming phillies success weak division record teams division read inter divisional play east kicking shit west early atlanta strong cincinnati coming sweep veteran stadium philadelphia houston swept games phillies astrodome western division friends shows teams division strong phils braves club reds marge 
lots runs nntp posting host organization university alabama tuscaloosa lines noticed year high scoring games reason expansion teams thoughts charles 
torre worst manager nntp posting host organization university alabama tuscaloosa lines article gatech brian landmann writes torre worst manager baseball sunday game hander pitching decides bench lankform left handed hitter play jordan gilkey handers ninth inning bases loaded outs puts lankford hitter power pinch runner luis alicea hitter power pinch hitter hell thinking information lankford injured shoulder cage pinch hitter earlier game interview acquiring mark whiten commented fortunate cardinals whiten whiten regular meant gilkey hurt torre gilkey coming bench gilkey year start starting team league whiten good aquisition cards offensive capabilities awesome defensively cardnials thought offense defense forgot louis gave gilkey concerned leftfielder brian jordan beat expect gilkey jordan platoon sundays game lankford thrown plate replay showed bucky dent base coach line waving lankford home agree larkin threw ball knew lankford dead bird dent larkin make perfect throw strongly torre managers baseball forget overachieving cards close games place place oveshadowed braves twins climb division title barely lost pennant race braves atlanta considered firing understand torre controls cardinals heading direction thing game make season lost reds pitching staff national league east pretty good offense redbirds lose year charles enthusiastic cardnials charles rosen thirty thirteen university alabama national champs roll tide tuscaloosa 
dylan baseball abstract organization school mpce macquarie university australia lines distribution world nntp posting host macadam mpce originator gerry mpce reposted permission music dylan article buck museum upenn wrote baseball check current village voice april john lammers hart seely written dylan baseball abstract covered team leagues colorado silent bats shatter scores lines castoffs thousand runs rebecca buck museum upenn gerry myerson 
spanky organization pittsburgh supercomputing center pittsburgh lines nntp posting host postoffice newsreader version greg spira gspira wrote pittsburgh area mike lavalliere released year slaught bulk playing time player point leyland insisted keeping pretty strict platoon released make sense greg story spanky slow quicker slaught prince lose prince order bring pitcher slaught good spanky prince coming nicely feel theat years able iain boone network systems administrator boone iain pittsburgh supercomputing center speak stated 
braves pitching updatedir lines nntp posting host acad drake organization drake university moines iowa clear team winning games games game luck play bigger role game pitching staff hold opposing team sherri nichols snichols 
jewish baseball players lines nntp posting host acad drake organization drake university moines iowa article pablo pablo iglesias writes article lafayette writes wondering friend talking reason names jewish baseball players past present able sandy koufax stankowitz john lowenstein sounds pretty lame racking brains humor bobby hank greenberg famous jewish faith affected play missing late season world series games kippur thought sandy koufax pablo iglesias 
jose canseco swing organization netcom online communications services login guest distribution lines article ucdavis gary built villanueva huckabay writes videos night wrote excellent report bulked period lose pounds gain bulk speed absolutely vanished conservatively lost speed huge amount speed open stance killing note acts sort brian downing open start closes ball released downing significant head movement canseco note canseco close stance hips open fully closed good starting point hard make adjustments swing understand unreliable source canseco considered expendable refused accept coaching batting stance brain trust back problems exacerbated caused wide open stance closing quickly swinging torque paraphrase remember event canseco road decide stance began reinjure begin lose ability average power salting large cash touch work restructure entire swing apparently sound larussa drop pounds weight work objected canseco open stance resulting habits result back problems baseball years repeating heard possibly effect reverse beastmaster mark singer 
jewish baseball players organization university denver dept math comp lines steve rosenberg time white reliever mets system list greg 
dylan baseball abstract distribution organization rutgers univ brunswick lines found reading village voice noted sports coverage occasionally print interesting features year predictions team analyses season presented form dylan lyrics article front give memorable remember melody interest yankess tune subterranean homesick blues howe basement mixing medicine george pavement thinking bout government wade boggs trench coat paid back laid kids somethin columbus mets tune rolling stone time played fine threw dykstra prime people beware cone bound roam thought kidding laugh strawberry headin talk loud proud shop vince coleman deal phillies tune highway daulton dykstra highway giants tune ballad rubin hurricane carter story magowan petersburg owner tampian world 
jewish baseball players organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article lafayette writes stankiewicz stankowitz jewish polish correct pronunciation stanky ston itch sportscasters wrong polish jewish mutually exclusive mark singer 
pleasant yankee surprises organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article tedward cornell edward fischer writes article luriem michael lurie liberalizer writes make wagers snow mattingly baseball years skeptical snow good player losing team history handy recall preponderance winning teams fact team performance generally irrelevant deserving candidate wins wrong necessarily losing team angels staff weak everyday lineup snow playing great salmon learning make adjustments easley appears fine flora ready gonzales gruber manage corner polonia curtis steady heady myers orton contributing personally finish makes winning team beastmaster skeptical back mattingly year players play chronic back problems wrong smart cheers valentine mark singer 
music censorship survey fill organization university hampshire durham lines nntp posting host kepler paper censorship music time participate survey answer question asks simply means room explain answer chose question comments questions suggestions advance mail address male female major occupation type music listen check apply hard rock metal alternative blues jazz soft rock easy listening country classical hard core dance miss recordings objectionable offensive lyrics labeled recordings banned minors years recordings banned period decide parents government music industry feel free comments controling record sales present labeling system definition censorship feel free comments suggestions questions explanations mail reply matthew thompson disclaimer responses paper anoynamous person specifies closed repairs ution matthew thompson rr pound pound thud ouch mail shazam 
erickson keith miller organization laboratory computer science lines wondering knew erickson keith miller expected back ails sincerely frank 
dave kingman hall fame keywords hall fame winfield kingman murray lundy organization netcom online communications services login guest distribution lines kingman thought point player history games carter eddie murray mccovey gehrig ruth mays foxx dawson reggie game counts beastmaster mark singer 
braves pitching updatedir distribution organization duke university durham lines nntp posting host keynes econ duke article pjtier louisville writes braves continue average runs game finish tierney braves production falls game headed lucky finish duke duke duke duke correspondents email changed address duke mail bounces acpub duke 
sandberg runs rbis notes jays indians series organization university denver dept math comp distribution lines bratt nosubdomain nodomain john bratt writes rbis runs scored important offensive statistics pretty worthless evaluate players stats rbis runs scored banned confuse victims mediot brainwashing talk fact remains team scores runs wins game explained evaluate players precisely team scores runs wins game traditional baseball stats methods enable fans contributes runs scored runs created linear weights simplify matters easily measure player offensive contribution team runs scored making case nice greg 
wfan derby expires organization virginia commonwealth university lines nuts sports station tony bruno working espn radio morganti friday night hockey suck live richmond visit phila wtem washington hear night signal wnbc played golden oldies avoid hosts hands chuck cooperstein homer jody wtem generic catergory fact heard wtem notice theme music identical ownership totally original hosts personality knock team mike sommers good comparing morning philadelphia washington total joke edge back philly withdraw richmond nada national sports line totally clueless wcau cancelled steve fredericks sports phone phillies games wcau strong station oldies station phillies started listening heard finally heard summer fans glad hear back philly eagles games admit hard eagles basically eagles station days year phillies control knock cobb eagles book remember weekend play fran thought eagles blown cobb eagles play inches pulling victory 
sportwriters derby expires organization virginia commonwealth university keywords sportswriters summary sportswriters lines brought sports radio howabout sportswriting give opinion city sports coverage terms print media general questions washington post philadelphia inquier times howabout philadelphia daily news compared york daily news notice papers subjective objective home team 
notes jays indians series organization university denver dept math comp distribution lines alomar splits baerga pretty alomar huge boost home park necessarily home road frank thomas home road splits guess alomar split skydome coincidence hitters skydome regularly handed home hitters alomar home hitter make good equal rated baerga higher bogus fielding stats rate alomar worst defensive baseman league career basis fielding stats seasonal basis ridiculous results alomar fielding media worst baseball offensively rate alomar higher year argument good players strengths bright future greg 
time players organization master peon lines article roger princeton roger lustig writes article mbstultz bsuvc writes recently working project determine greatest players respective postions career johnny hodapp greatest baseman cleveland indians history hits consistantly great great baseman johnny hodapp jmhodapp jhuapl 
sportwriters keywords sportswriters organization university illinois urbana lines derby writes brought sports radio howabout sportswriting happen jayson stark baseball writer philadelphia inquirer tuesday writes week review column writes unusual situations occured week unusual stats section called kinerisms week stupid lines mets brodcaster ralph kiner year lgtgah contest stands writes baseball america column sort highlights week review check column make laugh koffler live rkoffler uiuc dream tomorrow henley 
pleasant yankee surprises organization cornell univ dept ithaca lines article mark singer writes history handy recall preponderance winning teams fact team performance generally irrelevant deserving candidate wins wrong personally deserving candidate wins rarely player called season duds recent years factor mediot biases amaral hits capable receive roty votes long career ahead necessarily losing team angels staff weak everyday lineup snow playing great salmon learning make adjustments easley appears fine flora ready gonzales gruber manage corner polonia curtis steady heady myers orton contributing personally finish makes winning team division team finish ahead royals mariners possibly athletics east stronger year year pitching offense horrible year offense pitching pretty finley returns form replace lost abbott sanderson farrell good decent speed offense lacks punch bona fide power hitters salmon snow davis curtis potential cheers valentine team steals week tigers mediots finally managed convince needed balance lineup scoring runs consistently gotta break 
survey organization university hampshire durham lines nntp posting host kepler keywords survey complaints music pointed random sample desperate respones mail complaining belong wasting bandwidth affects readers music groups complete survey bounce back complaints matt matthew thompson electrical computer engineering etallic university hampshire mail evil twin shazam 
jewish baseball players organization allegheny college article drake writes remember reading league jewish practically 
yankees lose organization allegheny college howe improving pitches great game screw 
jewish baseball players organization allegheny college article jlroffma amherst joshua lawrence roffman writes baseball players past present able sandy koufax stankowitz john lowenstein sounds pretty lame racking brains humor john lowenstein definately jewish baltimore thought told baltimore jewish times admitted joke stanky jewish doubt jewish people jewish names 
pleasant yankee surprises organization allegheny college article tedward cornell edward fischer writes article luriem michael lurie liberalizer writes kind abott trade trade rookie year snow mattingly years bother make wagers snow mattingly baseball years correct wishful thinking snow wasting abbott provide great resourse team 
jewish baseball players organization allegheny college article pablo pablo iglesias writes article lafayette writes hank greenberg famous jewish faith affected play missing late season world series games kippur kofax missed world series game jewish repentence 
ryan weeks organization california polytechnic state university luis obispo lines quoth nolan ryan torn cartlidge inhis knee surgery expected miss weeks hoped nolan career great year suppose hope jason jplee calpoly jlee busfac calpoly giants beautiful equation mathematics magic words tongue saddest number john greenleaf whittier 
braves offensive offense distribution organization georgia institute technology lines deion sanders home today nixon infield single deion batting nixon start wise bobby ballyard braves chop chop michael mule michael andre mule georgia institute technology atlanta georgia uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism internet gatech 
stros real organization stephen austin state university lines thinks astros places place road 
cubs expos roster questions organization symantec peter norton group lines nntp posting host alird oscs montana writes today cubs activated mike harkey move make room harkey shawn boskie 
talk phillies organization adobe systems incorporated lines article eechen stanford emery ethan chen writes phrase fuck time start sport baseball graffiti kiddies yell taunts insults leave rest peace sherri nichols snichols 
braves pitching updatedir organization adobe systems incorporated lines article drake writes clear team winning games games game luck play bigger role game pitching staff hold opposing team yeah point offense score runs braves fine pitching staff half game sherri nichols snichols 
spanky organization adobe systems incorporated lines article boone boone writes spanky slow quicker slaught prince lose prince order bring pitcher slaught good spanky prince coming nicely prince year catcher young dann bilardello begin fathom pirates afraid losing seasons pirates released kirk gibson year prince options eventually prince cleared waivers peep year older clear waivers care sherri nichols snichols 
home bosox organization skidmore college saratoga springs lines agree happy stadium comiskey park made baseball unlike rivers riverfront football park play baseball multipurpose subject forget shea designed accommodate mets jets stadium seats rollers oriented angles baseball parallel football jets jersey good football stadium mets saddled multipurpose stadium circular seats action mets announcers kiner murphy hyped beautiful shea stadium tipoff unbeautiful 
orioles trivia organization skidmore college saratoga springs lines bunker mcnally pappas estrada steve barber 
darryl organization netcom online communications services login guest lines media beating incident dodger stadium wednesday death gerald perry cardinals pinch eighth inning club stroked line drive field corner ball cleared foot high fence crowd darryl racing center spot time reach glove short fence missed ball sitting front wearing mitt reached caught ball home replay times concluded darryl missed ball glove essentially darryl dodger fans seats vicinity claimed unquestionably interfered strawberry disputed caught ball oblivious fielder playing exuberant realized made catch exuberance disappeared immediately strawberry tirade reports profanity accused interference costing dodgers game shortly fans hurled food beverages made catch dodger stadium officials started remove park relented relocated area interview game lasorda blamed loss strawberry tirade fans stupid care winning times columnists similarly blasted made catch dodger game public address announcer makes speech fans souvenirs balls stands long interfere field play wrong aware situation acted avoid possibility interference human reacting season ticket holder request dodgers relocated seats area stadium future interference impossible questioned darryl concerned grand total games question center left handed pull hitter game line closer play chance catching ball guess debate continues responsibilities beastmaster mark singer 
gross grosses dodger fans organization university southern california angeles lines nntp posting host mizar dodgers game tonight night astacio pitched control trouble night walked batter balked single scored batter taking throw home single made score cards lasorda line featuring butler reed piazza batting darryl eric benched favor snyder webster piazza homered make score cards dodgers tied game single offerman fourth inning astacio made pitches score dodger defense made impressive plays piazza looked great plate gunning runner steal throwing runner strayed base karros made spectacular play keeping ball outfield runner ball running past karros threw easily runner heart sank gross warm bullpen astacio lifted pinch hitter gross entered game score dodger fans knew gross relieving stunk tuesday pitching innings forcing lasorda bullpen inning game effect night gross fresh light work tuesday gross lived walked batter gave walked bases loaded grounder resulted force home zeile lifted scoring ball make cards gross paid attention runners thing knew cards stolen fourth runner eventually tagged scored long dodgers mounted offense inning smith pitched ninth trouble karros wallach trouble wallach days cory snyder collected dodger single offense dodgers mount smith straight save dodgers free dodger good piazza piazza year strong candidate rookie year honors early karros showing signs sophomore jinx year final score cardinals runs hits dodgers runs hits dodger 
fenway organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host stein washington article acsddc umassd writes wondering kind fenway park send advance park action jpeg baseball geoff 
game score report organization department mathematics university toronto lines curiosity happened weekly game score reports enjoy reading summer years inquisitively joel joel chan dept mathematics university toronto toronto blue jays world series champs history ignore condemned repeat math comic strip betty 
jays game organization social science computing laboratory keywords score nntp posting host conslt sscl lines outcome tonight jays game home runs winning pitcher gods 
young catchers organization university southern california angeles lines nntp posting host aludra summary lopez current brave catchers keywords solid good article mark singer writes article tedward cornell edward fischer writes catching spring break bear bigs played ball good rush mega million dollar staff served battery mate expereienced game calling pitcher handling lopez time give time javy lopez proven minor leagues ready play majors rushed players good play stiffs major league level wasting time court case major league management keeping improve writing skills lopez ordinary defensively lopez defensively born play base belongs major leagues training earn chance full time couple starts prove worth sounds pretty good good reasoning play back role start talk valentine back position major leagues imho opportunity misinterpreting arguments lopez ordinary defensively young players suck young irrelevant make majors involves warped reasoning valentine players ready bigs current related posting clayton favorites players benefit stagnant hurt playing catchers solid defensively players clubs bigs arguments lopez braves year players ready benefit majors javy lopez middle road prospect real thing important thing player lopez miles olson berryhill defense good greenville richmond good atlanta awful defensively longer catcher sprague braves catchers demonstrated solid abilities call games work pitchers throw runners superstars mind solid experienced veterans braves solid lineup bats outfield excellent platoon solid candidate hitting shortstops center field platoon good lopez offset differential experience defensive ability improve playing reserve club start solid good good players solid words describe nice white good baseball caps losing strategy solid improve times paragraph experienced greg olson damon berryhill carter fisk olson played years berryhill wash difference imho olson valle supporting cast bats justice find gant trend disturbing call braves platoon player platoon bream hunter awful leave thirdbase comment pendleton wasted bandwidth platoon hits retrace likhani midnight forbes live mike call pitches goodness poster thinks lopez held future earning potential earth people thinkthe braves made decision idiots built ballclub jeesh nope baseball management short sighted collection people nation mark frank thomas needed months eldred ricky bones year treasure polite make defensible flawed cases past admitted wrong qualify make sdcn beastmaster mark singer sheehan greg gohr pitching voice tipper gore afraid linda cohn sportscenter 
sportwriters reply brandeis organization brandeis university lines article rkoffler uiuc bighelmet writes derby writes brought sports radio howabout sportswriting happen jayson stark baseball writer philadelphia inquirer tuesday writes week review column writes unusual situations occured week unusual stats section called kinerisms week stupid lines mets brodcaster ralph kiner year lgtgah contest stands writes baseball america column sort highlights week review check column make laugh sense humor favorite stuff heros players homers long time lgtgah named remember score line week incidentally found column moved sundays send boston week great stuff adam phaithful phillies phan levin 
phils east weak organization university illinois dept comp urbana lines apanjabi georgetown writes braves club read braves hitters club dale stephenson steph uiuc baseball fanatic considered good wise overburdened information golden kimball 
jewish baseball players lines nntp posting host organization faculteit letteren rijksuniversiteit groningen article jewish major leaguers recent issue elysian fields minnesota review baseball recall amazing amount research long list players large bibliography peter binkley binkley 
early bbdd returns reply brandeis organization brandeis university lines curious started standout early season year expect phillies staff wins rank luis gonzalez derrick early league leaders bombs phils expense tater prowess past rockies early mile high produced runs launching expected concerned adam witness phillies lone loss season levin 
royals organization informix software lines royals darkness void time play shame descends land cold front canada humiliation lived live utterly completely doomed guess randall rhea informix software project manager sales marketing systems uunet pyramid infmx randall 
notes jays indians series article eskimo distribution organization eskimo north eskimo lines article lyford webo lyford beverage writes article tedward cornell edward fischer writes article rudy rudy wade writes article niguma gord niguma writes good season alomar year snip baerga flash alomar hitter year stats deleted fascinating alomar hitter year immediately follow numbers showing baerga year category shows advantage alomar nominate anti stathead quote week alomar point advantage important offensive category baerga studied carter school burning impressive mediot stats largely opportunities quality lines fairly close edge alomar baerga chopped liver alomar beat basemen craig craig richardson crichar eskimo celestial pullman sleepers obfbl seattle rainiers manager tacoma black adders jack city highlanders tacoma black adders growing excited team future begins tomorrow 
lots runs reply kday navy kevin organization carderock division nswc bethesda lines sport baseball crosen charles rosen writes noticed year high scoring games reason expansion teams thoughts fact high scoring games expansion teams directly affect scott kday navy carderock division naval surface warfare center code bethesda maryland point remember government john coleman 
proposed catcher rule organization brookhaven national laboratory upton lines teams carry catchers roster catcher seldom insurance case extra innings catcher injured game free roster spot extra pinch hitter reliever invoke catcher substitution rule roster catcher team injured game team permitted substitute place defensive purposes catcher previously yanked game rule team roster catchers catcher playing roster bullpen catcher 
dopson pitches shutout organization open software foundation research institute lines article uiuc oriolefan writes jmann pubs stratus mann writes deleted told game started true mind game monday mind massachussetts today patriots state holiday floating holiday marathon people include 
time peak players organization ball state university muncie univ computing lines week posted time greatest players haphazardly misspelled names week time greatest peak players evaluated players consectutive seasons constituted prime peak years settled sources usual include total baseball biased opinions feel free comment williams includes season missed actual peak years babe ruth walter johnson mickey mantle mike schmidt actual peak year shortened strike barry bonds peak honus wagner cobb tris speaker willie mays lefty grove sandy koufax morgan walsh christy mathewson gehrig jimmie foxx ripken pete alexander young raines rickey henderson strike year included carl yastrzemski jackie robinson dimaggio rogers hornsby george sisler eddie collins hank aaron stan musial jackson wade boggs charlie gehringer ernie banks gibson carl hubbell robin yount carew chuck klein willie mccovey frank robinson seaver roger clemens arguably peak frank baker lajoie peak suspect league dizzy trout george brett mordecai brown ryne sandberg peak gehrig foxx sisler mccovey greenberg frank thomas projected dick allen johnny mize eddie murray consistency peak bill terry morgan robinson collins hornsby gehringer carew treated played sandberg bobby grich lajoie bill herman mazeroski tough call schmidt boggs baker brett mathews santo harland clift boyer buddy bell darrell evans wagner ripken banks yount john lloyd estimated arky vaughan barry larkin peak boudreau ozzie smith sewell williams bonds raines henderson peaks yastrzemski musial jackson ralph kiner simmons george foster willie stargell mantle cobb speaker mays dimaggio oscar charleston estimated duke snider griffey personal assumption kirby puckett richie ashburn dale murphy strike season ruth aaron klein robinson roberto clemente tony gwynn dave parker reggie jackson harry heilmann jose canseco darryl strawberry josh gibson estimated mickey cochrane gary carter johnny bench campanella yogi berra bill dickey gabby hartnett elston howard simmons torre johnson grove koufax walsh mathewson alexander young gibson hubbell seaver clemens satchel paige estimated trout juan marichal mordecai brown wood dave steib palmer lemon fergie jenkins cares hope surprises raines muisial carter bench ripken banks bonds mays check numbers player comparison numbers rest players year fairly close ranking system primarily based total player rating consecutive years enjoy mike 
jack morris organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury lines demers ucsd david demers writes article maynard laurentian roger maynard writes facts morris shown takes play winning club clemens hasn play winning club knowing separate morris contribu tion rest team determin baseball scoreboard game game determines team season team division playoffs determine point decision making cess determine score game lates teams individual players method inherent baseball comparing individual performances baseball team game player able solutely player team played player lineup sheer speculation impossible ascertain select group statistics claim clemens statistics criteria fine able prove statistics measure individual contribution winning measure meaning context base ball prove clemens contributes cham pionship morris evaluation clemens totally jective mere opinion predict winner greater accuracy jeanne dixon fact morris ballgames toronto spite morris contribution explained jays morris pitching boston wins clemens pitching morris clemens individual comparisons players totally meaningless claiming clemens based missed point baseball times stupid stubborn grasp rude completely consumed post ergo propter fallacy means missed entire point argument committed fallacy ignoratio elenchi morris clemens rings tongue cheek claimed past impossible isolate individual performance team purpose comparing individual performance individual formance stats nice hobby knowledge produced poster claims morris clemens rings poster incorrect rest baying hounds cordially maynard laurentian morons time 
distribution organization dept diego lines nntp posting host mbongo ucsd article kubey kubey writes blame players galarraga dawson mcgee swing strike ball play problem pretty annoyed swing strikes make outs ball counts dave dave demers demers ucsd computer science engineering demers bitnet diego ucsd demers jolla 
jose canseco swing nntp posting host staff organization carlos hormones lines article ucdavis gary villanueva huckabay writes easy frame advance tape simply count frames times throw outliers perfect blow head large metal object finally found super frame advance scrutinizing sorority babes heat congrats films tapes preferably million dollars able gain weight trust helluva time manipulating converted film video kinds artifacts difference frame rate expert pulldown laserdisc company gary list slowest bats baseball fair fettucine alfredo griffin practically pivot body gary list hell julio franco phil plantier darren daulton daulton strike strange quiet plate franco hitting zone level plane time watched julio franco marvel easy makes time makes contact solid good power fields rarely caught ready pitch phil plantier severe bout hemorrhoids practice swing throne bout list travis fryman plants front foot swing body generates power thinking generate pivot hips gary list give dave kirsch kidneys swing spoken people robbie alomar list dean palmer swing twisted reason pedro munoz swing derrick tapes tonight troy neel thought taught turn ball imho fall love newfound power start pulling ball point lots sinkers sliders adjusts quickly starts rifling doubles left left center imho good number weak grounders side infield month dave hung acker slider kirsch blue jays kirsch quotes context beat dead horse couple weeks disappoints punishments discharges jackhammering stephen lawrence 
hispanic star team organization esca corporation bellevue lines icop antonio pera writes hispanic magazine april couple interesting articles hispanic players including hispanic star team major points morning edition aired report morning hispanic latin american players problems faced black negro african american players entered league baseball adjusted presence black players hispanic players labor stereotype fireballs blooded flashy report emphasised rantings word jessie jackson baseballs discrimination black players upper echelons baseball black players hispanic players interesting point language barrier problem reporter elaborated interview ruben sierra gave spanish spanish speaking newspaper reporter fact major baseball writers speak spanish fact spanish easiest languages learn easy author cormac mccarthy learned spanish order research book pretty horses organizations employ spanish speaking personel exceptions oakland point latin american players african blood report felt black playing ball ironically early presence latin american baseball players major leagues support idea baseball integrated arrival jackie robinson light black brown latin americans incorporated baseball cure disease images believed healing sandra vigil power words stories vigil world 
braves giants organization arizona dept tucson lines article econ duke forrest smith writes protested game time garbage thrown outfielders protested game point gant assessed strike ninth grounds field time called protests denied umpire judgement determines garbage thing game called personal opinion doesn matter time argument baseless dave 
braves giants organization arizona dept tucson lines situation giants bleachers case point commissioner true main thing commish selig suspend bobby team braves umps case players dead wrong games umped game happened ejected player gant spared ensuing argument dave 
organization organization cares gotta bears lines distribution nntp posting host soda berkeley reply kubey message article kubey kubey writes suppose foul ball machine brett butler pretty valuable watch root lower ball watch root team scores lots runs wins games rooting rockies andres irrational hometown reaons root frank thomas david paschich 
jack morris reply mjones kingston disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host fenway kingston organization development kingston lines maynard laurentian roger maynard writes tedward cornell edward fischer writes article yorku shawn luddington writes valentine boston world series rings fingers damn morris hall fame future earn games blow world series started earn valuable member blue team world series season valuable putting olerud pitch yeah valuable postseason sucked dirty canal water straw jays spite morris toronto easily made signing morris clemens definition refers measurement scale winning rings roger return halcyon days postings poster valentine replying rings measure concept called context familiar someday facts morris shown takes play winning club clemens hasn transaltes clemens gorman office large caliber handgun refused traded jays complete loss meaning clemens past claim morris facts morris shown clemens hasn earth careers clemens games started morris year clemens averaged wins morris grant proposition preventing team scoring increases chances winning game clemens runs innings pitched morris innings fact jack morris career single year good clemens career forget maynardverse mystical significance buckner missing grounder morris routine groundout clemens standard measurement totally meaningless object game compile high figures statistics chosen feel important object game contribute victories patiently explained times stupid stubborn grasp speaking stupid patiently patiently explained times attributing greatness players based accomplishments teams makes sense claiming racecar attractive paint race continued failure understand intelligently reply arguments presented leads conclusion spent games goal mask give shit boston alomar olerud henke ward toronto rivera jack clark jeff reardon things looked fall give credit credit lavishing praise morris makes sick caught rabbit forget didn happen open eyes happening forget morris shouldn morris pitched year jays stop crying life crying jays team deserved east performed short series world series congratulate hope morris happy picked stewart elated traded darrin jackson mystical link morris offense credited wins year lucky luck runs pitched innings gave earned roger hear explanation difference morris morris pitcher morris learn intervening years minnesota half lower mike jones high development mjones kingston humble great 
jack morris reply mjones kingston disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host fenway kingston organization development kingston lines maynard laurentian roger maynard writes depends definition based mine based happened based happened based fantasy happened understand hockey background stats minus make good viola fault boston offense morris blue jays strong offense morris magical ability offensive players score runs perfect problem isolating viola contribution rest team efforts team viola compare team viola analysis fallacious straigh answer simele question fair number interesed answer answer roger pitcher offensive players team score runs demonstrable fact team loss record closely related number runs team scores number team definite hard fast function correlation fact rule thumb teams score runs team runs runs fewer team game instance toronto blue jays find scored runs allowed morris allowed things equal frank viola replaced jack morris innings morris threw plausible viola threw boston jays allowed fewer runs wins account viola pitched half innings fenway harder park pitch lefthander skydome roger pitcher affect number runs team scores enlighten fallacy analysis foolhardy claim viola necessarily year claim actual performances evaluate viola morris sense morris performed viola team takes open mind understand happening real world true open brain falls mike jones high development mjones kingston computer open exit hatch moment straight major data banks reprogram large zaphod beeblebrox 
good reply mjones kingston disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host fenway kingston organization development kingston lines rochester wizard writes posted postings discovered times received redicule predicting high east hear people dont high year observations exuberant tone substance predictions responses measured roger frank vintage form rresponding clemens form viola performing expected responding bumbry hobson suspect hitting coach mike easler give easler credit vaughhn start clemens viola greenwell hitting injuries optimistic scenario unreasonably shown power dawson providing leadership hitting dawson providing leadership calderon clemens viola hobson finally showing people skills supposed hired myth dawson hitting greenwell vaughn cooper fletcher russell finishing games july fletcher hitting leadoff hitter expected forget zupcic looked wade boggs lite year beware small sample sizes fletcher hits year great improvement leadoff hitter year aware career numbers puts good numbers long make year cooper hitting boggs field good plate umm field part plate boggs general cooper pretty good hitter carry boggs jockstrap luck fourth martinez boggs ventura palmer pitch year pitchiong staff coiuld thee division hitting pitching challenge running division make quick left turn aether plausible phrases division visit white coats clear staff year russell darwin hesketh pitch barely avoid losing spot rotation hand hesketh pitches miserably stupid move bring conroy fossas continues pitch dismally giving innings becasue lefty russell explodes pretty mike jones high development mjones kingston comedian playing audience afraid laugh mark twain 
scores lines organization dakota state university lines wondering types scores college able till weekend thankful mail twins scores twins schedule kesslerm 
phillies sign mark davis organization corporate notes server lines heard rumors interested mark davis surprise team give cash lynch draft loud give 
rockies spoon feed game mets organization corporate notes server lines bichette totally lost outfield misplayed martinez double expos misplayed alou single triple alou tagged sliding misplays triple wonderful batting average heck player boell 
rockies errors walks organization corporate notes server lines boston galarraga tatum cole young hayes murphy bichette clark girardi castilla benavides young pitchers totals wayne aldred smith ashby neid parrett blair henry ruffin reed holmes totals 
torre worst manager distribution organization georgia institute technology lines article gatech brian landmann writes ninth inning bases loaded outs puts lankford hitter power pinch runner luis alicea hitter power pinch hitter hell thinking alicea ballyard braves chop chop michael mule michael andre mule georgia institute technology atlanta georgia uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism internet gatech 
wfan lines nntp posting host kerr dseg organization engineering automation article philly udel robert hite writes philly udel robert hite subject wfan date article writes listen wfan talking sports radio staion york clear night signal reaches east coast berman mike lupica show school virginia listen wondering sports radio station close ultimate sports radio philadelphia signal powerful stations york feel obligated pollute airwaves bunch hoodlum mets fans complaining hours sports jockeys jody macdonald steve fredericks rockin sports talk till midnight check anytime hours philadelphia mistaken highest sports talk ratings nation dallas alot nerve wfan bunch hoodlum mets fans football season local cowboy station times simultanious broadcasts heard bigger bunch intellect wetting obnoxious woofing cranial deformed assholes entire life average eagles range droolers flames kevin kerr kkerr dseg member yankees dolphins strolling cyberspace sniffing electric wind 
phils east weak derby expires organization virginia commonwealth university lines true live richmond home richmond braves ryan klesko home year sound diamond built home runs rarity fact gant brian hunter david justice proved richmond majors back richmond beating scranton phillies game team history underwhelming expectations guess 
fenway nntp posting host warren reply feszcm organization rensselaer polytechnic institute troy lines article acsddc umassd writes wondering kind fenway park send advance yankee stadium gifs advance mike feszczyszyn 
notes jays indians organization wayne state university math department detroit distribution lines article acns edward ouellette writes worthless stat stolen bases runners front player pitchers pitch differently people bases batting average slugging hmm guess homers count point perfect stat stat lack clutch hitters stat people attempt measure combination clutch hitting power hitting clutch hitting risp good slugger slugging average terms evaluating players totals stats david frohardt lane wayne tigers lions pistons wings wolverines 
mcrae torre worst manager reply tkevans dupont organization dupont engineering physics laboratory newsreader version lines scott scott davis writes news report mcrae batting coach manager reason reason royals manager late jesse jackson picket stadium evans pont nemours tkevans dupont experimental station evanstk esvax wilmington delaware 
royals reply tkevans dupont organization dupont engineering physics laboratory newsreader version lines randall randall rhea writes royals darkness void time play shame descends land cold front canada humiliation lived live utterly completely doomed guess remember evans pont nemours tkevans dupont experimental station evanstk esvax wilmington delaware 
stats michael mcguire reply michael mcguire distribution organization canada remote systems lines source american league baseball stats individual players format printed newspapers provide list players back nice printed reports week statistics availability idea cost canada remote systems toronto ontario 
proposed catcher rule organization massachusetts institute technology lines nntp posting host achates catchers backup randy kutcher backup catcher middle infielder outfielder good catcher competent afford lose catching ability pick player field john carr 
millitello update distribution lines article millits millitello uhh spelled correctly millitello uhh vesterman 
yankees home opener distribution lines article millits millitello telling call vesterman 
phillies sweep reds awful reds report nntp posting host bottom magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article rstimets indiana robert stimets writes philly ahead bottom eighth post score cinci playing criminally turn game cincinnati hits singles eighth makes games extra base cincinnati runners scoring position team completely power absolutely clutch situations cincinnati starter browning pitched innings giving runs striking surely loser tonight reds starters supposedly solid game year reds clean batter sabo yesterday homer sucked plate dibble return friday cinci find save situation speaking reds lead week half innings chris dinger tuesday manager tony perez reds swinging good call doggie difference swinging reds plate uugghh reds verge nervous breakdown mike prognosis kevin mitchell days matter read gary burbank told strong survive weak disappear intend disappear jimmy hoffa mtissand ohio state cynically rstimets 
wfan organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host hela cwru hope unbiased assesment wfan school philadelphia listen stations consistant basis mike lupica noon person guests interviews local importance dave cheketts fred wilpon show costas magic johnson opinions stations competing talent morning show opinion imus bruno cataldi morganti feel morganti crew people work copy imus make sports theme terms sports imus lacks blanketing airwaves interjects humor politics show noon chuck cooperstein lupica equal abilities host radio show chuck advantage lupica terms dealing caller local team draft sixth round lupica hosts interview guests heard interested interviews celebrities major story styles host noon point give advantage jody mcdonald berman lenny couple weeks ability transcend homer mentality philadelphia base evident iggles philadelphia spelling play cowboys huge dallas people call predict score egging hosts morning agree great weekend overnight miss hearing current crop rotating hosts feel sportstalk host station good margin fill weekends time francesa russo fatso froot loops divided loyalties mike entertaining hour calls minutes talking sports matd great guests basis show debate appearances mike chris imus morning hilarious matd fredericks missanelli mike missanelli stomach steve fredericks philly originally homer philly homer listen game night reason give advantage midnight makes calls matd time novice charges racism cobb grating nerves listen minutes nuts biased listen show game knicks rangers mets jets john basketball game west coast howie rose dead cobb sixers flyers games season sports station lose iggles wysp home howard stern phil summer talk give advantage wfan exception advantage rich read movie imus morning blurb blurb seinfeld 
question candlestick organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host hela cwru tickets giants wondering familiar stadium section lower level located mail response rich read movie imus morning blurb blurb seinfeld 
astros real organization austin lines article millerwl sfasu writes thinks astros places place road agree lumberjack places diego angeles francisco cincinnati denver atlanta miami philadelphia york montreal pittsburgh chicago louis points home overly enthusiastic houston discourage hang lumberjack ahold shift obbase apparently owner drayton mclain excuses item paper austin american statesman read injuries excuse losing possibility accounted owner edge feeling houston area feel meddling owner mclain marc stephenson advanced workstations systems austin disclaimer content posting independent official position internet marc vnet marc ausvmq 
defensive averages base organization sonoma county srsd mwtd newsreader version lines dale stephenson steph uiuc wrote steph uiuc dale stephenson writes compiled defensive average reports career individual players reports stats courtesy sherri nichols players listed descending order comments players deleted basemen leius scott good moving short pagliarulo mike interesting line figure slightly average pathetic year part mobility yankees padres rotten infield twins judging leius gaetti metrodome good place play gaetti gary apologies talking twins good players park remember completely gaetti played twins world series note lowest played angels lots factors make player excell hate dome ideal nice comfortably enjoy baseball football snowing raining craig company work opinions 
phils east weak nntp posting host camelot bradley organization bradley university lines apanjabi georgetown writes love people blaming phillies success weak division record teams division read inter divisional play east kicking shit west early atlanta strong cincinnati coming sweep veteran stadium philadelphia houston swept games phillies astrodome western division friends shows teams division strong posting early eating words season phillies proved atlanta similar phils years sucked started good year respect division phils good year good weeks respect atlanta compliment good braves record imagine phils record batting hahahaha atlanta hitting improve dramatically braves defending good team orin bradley phils braves club reds marge jester disguise 
lead organization cypress semi beaverton lines article stwombly ulowell steve twombly writes boston lead royals innings undefeated team east days jump lake believers steve read days continually amazed pronouncements baseball prowess individuals bosox prayer long time simply impossible dream year short memories short lives continually subject abuse criticism follow team statement supported based increased number brave woofers true team team follow team good years lean years amply rewarded time yeah buckner roller legs cares clemens told cooley piss rope promptly earned quick shower fact teams league years fans supported appears lean times number detracters play september good chance world series remember mets chance make beat baltimore face baseball wonderful game unpredictable football basketball absolute certainity outcome games joec cyprs rain warning elvis impersonating hazardous joec health reputation bike celtics seahawks sonics 
risp organization bill safety record chickasha lines months threads rbis related topics thinking predict player rbis information performance number runners scoring position risp bats brock model bill james calculated predicted rbis total bases home runs completely ignores context brock context unknown thought idea starting point good data comparing home runs risp started team data data elias picked years afford stomach thought increasing elias profits gave years team rbis year simple squares data home runs risp correlation significant ridiculously high level feel good team level started move player level looked players clark ozzie smith carter mattingly hope copious free time year badly equation underpredicts hitter smith fault model ozzie results years actual predicted carter clark matt smith make case hope make stronger rbis predicted simply knowing player slugs scoring position harold harold brooks hbrooks atmos uiuc national severe storms laboratory norman work brewery drink bavasi maxvill view florida east 
dave kingman hall fame keywords hall fame winfield kingman murray lundy nntp posting host ravel udel organization university delaware distribution lines article mark singer writes kingman thought point player history games carter eddie murray mccovey gehrig ruth mays foxx dawson mike schmidt times remember wrigley field kong shootout swatted april month april record remember 
jewish baseball players organization cmpo lines distribution world nntp posting host loch baseman mike epstein relation list 
standings scores organization enterprises sports division major league baseball dept lines distribution world nntp posting host monsoon berkeley keywords standings scores friday april including yesterday games national west lost streak home road francisco giants houston astros lost atlanta braves lost colorado rockies angeles dodgers lost diego padres lost cincinnati reds lost national east philadelphia phillies pittsburgh pirates louis cardinals york mets lost chicago cubs montreal expos florida marlins american west lost streak home road texas rangers lost california angels chicago white minnesota twins lost oakland athletics lost seattle mariners lost kansas city royals american east boston toronto blue jays york yankees lost detroit tigers cleveland indians lost milwaukee brewers lost baltimore orioles yesterday scores idle teams listed alphabetical order national league american league houston astros seattle mariners montreal expos toronto blue jays york mets oakland athletics colorado rockies detroit tigers pittsburgh pirates kansas city royals diego padres york yankees louis cardinals cleveland indians angeles dodgers boston atlanta braves california angels francisco giants milwaukee brewers rain chicago cubs idle baltimore orioles idle cincinnati reds idle chicago white idle florida marlins idle minnesota twins idle philadelphia philliesidle texas rangers idle joseph hernandez rams lakers jtchern berkeley kings dodgers raiders jtcent berkeley angels clippers 
cards sweep mets lose life good organization university nebraska lincoln lines distribution world nntp posting host unlinfo keywords cardinals lines favorite team sweeping dodgers favorite sweet mets favorite team loss rockies made great great start weekend cardinals espn tonight smith great start cardinals hitting clutch games lots hits runs coaches stress situational hitting spring training runners lower year high strikeout numbers jose lankford zeile year fuss fillies media filly fans forget standings give wild thing week starts blowing games cardinal pitching staff complete filly staff make difference side note years comment made baseball player manager dodger defense asked ball dodgers replied fair remember section sports illustrated issue redbirds gary wieman 
tiger stadium organization worcester polytechnic institute lines distribution world nntp posting host fledgling originator ching hate rude screw seating chart post stadium logistician reigns supreme blue tigers pistons lions wings ching 
notes jays indians series organization local organization distribution lines article uchicago writes article rudy rudy wade writes article stanford nelson writes guess line walks give general valuable slugging alomar edge larger baerga edge slugging sdcn valuable hits doubles triples forget extra alomar baerga forget outs baerga gidp balances sacrifice alomar replacement level baseman hits walks couple additional outs baerga triple home talking exchanging walks home runs doubles walks valuable alomar greater boost home park baerga home runs wanted pick baseman play toronto alomar baerga mike disclaimer opiini damn exit quitbye ctrlaltdel logout save quit quit zz helpquit exit quit ctrlshftdel stop 
standings scores keywords reply uchicago organization university chicago lines article jtchern berkeley joseph hernandez writes houston astros seattle mariners montreal expos toronto blue jays york mets oakland athletics colorado rockies detroit tigers pittsburgh pirates kansas city royals diego padres york yankees louis cardinals cleveland indians angeles dodgers boston atlanta braves california angels francisco giants milwaukee brewers rain leads rabbitball year rash high scoring games worth games pulled back close average interesting games runs scored yesterday game frank uchicago card moops school standard disclaimers 
young catchers keywords solid good organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article sheehan joseph sheehan writes points made lopez berryhill olson made realizing lopez coming frank thomas relented praised unmistakeable wisdom supporters nope baseball management short sighted collection people nation mark frank thomas needed months essentially comparing lopez players game forward miss superstar thomas remember advocate brought remember calderon martinez kittle spot talent convinced lopez talented thomas season convinced olson berryhill kittle martinez thomas hurt months eldred ricky bones year compare game compare decision boneshead eldred full season longer minor league career frankly make club bones year younger lousy prior history watching makes missed career league pitcher repeat laughed louder sheffield trade guess mieske future back mcilvaine laughed louder polite make defensible flawed cases past admitted wrong qualify make sdcn shucks missed part sdcn admit wrong beastmaster mark singer 
early bbdd returns organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host stein washington article brandeis writes curious started standout early season year tater jack morris served griffey younger year feet remember check scorecard home longest kingdome stand games weak showing promising taterball candidates mcdonald rich delucia rest mariner bullpen making appearances tape measure omar vizquel grand slam skydome jeff brown enchilada brown lunches astronomy dept jbrown washington washington jbrown phys washington 
tigers organization worcester polytechnic institute lines distribution world nntp posting host fledgling originator ching logistician reigns supreme blue tigers pistons lions wings ching 
notes jays indians series lines organization york university distribution article actuary steven goldman writes start year star game alomar great player helps recognition play city pour votes alomar differ opinion city pour votes attended games year balloting great number attendees fill ballots left beer soaked torn floor stands toronto votes city star game time thing attended games seasons happened time apathetic attitude star ballots offends 
bonilla nntp posting host isis msstate organization mississippi state university distribution lines bobby bonilla supposedly word faggot author clubhouse banned baseball year schott 
torre worst manager organization department industrial engineering lines smsu mcrae worst manager baseball waste talent talent staffs league finding lose surprised makes weeks drastic improvement made confused mcrae fault team offensive player phil hiatt real kansas city outstanding years entire staff offense team baseball count expansion teams david tate dtate quick member orsa tims sabr hands soft discerning denver call slugger catullus galarraga compare mattingly 
braves pitching updatedir organization university virginia lines article traven neal traven writes chapters palmer thorn hidden game titled pitching baseball implying fielding determine beats long long time read opinion stupidest thing hidden game argument defense runs allowed game unearned runs amount runs allowed earned runs unearned runs result fielding pitching earned runs product pitching fielding fielding defense pitching defense caombining pitching game fielding pete sharper feel fielding defense range call fielding pitching separate offense batting baserunning split give baserunning credit give team roberto alomar team john oleruds identical batting stats unreasonable roberto steal single base score oleruds offense gordon clay 
homeruns organization corporate notes server lines impressive dave kingman infamous moon raker drives boell 
sportwriters keywords sportswriters organization rice university lines article rkoffler uiuc bighelmet writes derby writes brought sports radio howabout sportswriting happen jayson stark baseball writer philadelphia inquirer tuesday writes week review column writes unusual situations occured week unusual stats section called kinerisms week stupid lines mets brodcaster ralph kiner year lgtgah contest stands writes baseball america column sort highlights week review check column make laugh koffler stark idiot writes baseball america month writes woulda thunk article piece time thought buddy biancalana home runs colorado rockies babe ruth omar vizquel nolan ryan combined idiot live rkoffler uiuc dream tomorrow henley andrew 
jewish baseball players summary names organization informix software lines article lafayette writes wondering friend talking reason names jewish john lowenstein lowenstein jewish long list including hank greenberg berg carew convert sherry brothers shamsky blomberg barry 
phills pirates summary good baseball keywords organization unisys defense systems great valley labs paoli lines nntp posting host gvlf philly penna baseball anxious penna series starts games played good baseball pirates good start 
world series stats nntp posting host discgate organization wright state university newsreader version lines stats part player career stats 
jewish baseball players harvard david organization harvard math department nntp posting host zariski harvard lines jeopardy category jewish sports heros answer pitcher hitters dodgers contestant hank aaron alex trebek hank aaron pitcher david harvard division applied sciences bitnet harvard university harvard huma cambridge 
source picks baerga alomar case closed organization bowling green state university distribution lines fester mike fester writes make good equal rated baerga higher mike finally objective source alomar great player baerga nice objective source cited bigger posts 
homeruns distribution organization skidmore college saratoga springs lines separate occasions dick allen back richie homer shea middle black centerfield hitter background screen shots traveled feet 
spanky organization university denver dept math comp lines boone boone writes greg spira gspira wrote pittsburgh area mike lavalliere released year slaught bulk playing time player point leyland insisted keeping pretty strict platoon released make sense greg story spanky slow quicker slaught prince lose prince order bring pitcher slaught good spanky prince coming nicely question answered spanky release year playing time year part platoon playing time slaught answer question slaught year obvious year taking spanky playing time righties greg 
melido back nntp posting host camelot bradley organization bradley university distribution lines yankees planning activating melido perez days today bringing back weekend info 
homeruns organization open software foundation research institute lines article boell corp donald boell writes impressive dave kingman infamous moon raker drives remember circa wrigley field street dead center field house roof whiffed connect watch include 
jewish baseball players organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn article mark singer writes polish jewish mutually exclusive offend quoting stanky subject remember time year interviewed espn interviewer remember asked stanky jewish interviewer jewish wanted jewish ballplayers stanky replied polish jewish thing stanky naive posted devote subject finding actual jewish ballplayers jewish knew koufax greenberg blomberg alan 
infield rule organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host sandman caltech jrogoff skidmore rogoff writes infield question puzzled addressed rule deal situation infield caught point runner legally leave base fear doubled advancing early runner leave base time ball caught caught doesn feeling lucky runner sprint glory ball popped caught scored headed effect infield make batter removing force runners base rules apply standing open ball popped shippert shippert caltech stick damned quantum jumping regret quantum theory schrodinger 
lomar baerga hoping stay organization julio lundy candlelight vigil society distribution lines lyford frosty beverage writes baerga flash alomar hitter year batters baerga alomar fascinating alomar hitter year immediately follow numbers showing baerga year category shows advantage alomar important offensive statistic margin points worth considerably points slugging baerga slightly year close wash find personally care alomar defense good people make turn save life improperly release slow high leverage shortcoming overlook long term move alomar position jays trade devon white alomar hell long jeff kent alomar alomar white gary huckabay loud hole movie rights trouble hearing happy turn frank people king 
darryl organization saic lines article mark singer writes media beating incident dodger stadium wednesday death gerald perry cardinals pinch eighth inning club stroked line drive field corner ball cleared foot high fence crowd darryl racing center spot time reach glove short fence missed ball sitting front wearing mitt reached caught ball home replay times concluded darryl missed ball glove essentially darryl dodger fans seats vicinity claimed unquestionably interfered strawberry disputed caught ball oblivious fielder playing exuberant realized made catch stuff daryl tommy blaming loss deleted replay times question daryl missed ball caught daryl tall shot ball daryl whining shows lack class tommy daryl dodgers blame single losing game pitcher threw gopher ball pitchers gave runs point tommy game daryl feet inches tall argument 
bonds maddux nntp posting host hpisq organization hewlett packard newsreader lines giants closely season newspapers notesgroup close personal night stick watching giants hitters struggle year barry swing impressive quick swing effortless compared clark clark late interesting bonds maddux barry revenge braves stroked pretty hits giants team surprising things year addition bonds good pitching hitters swinging clayton defense superb mcgee leading year manwaring driving ball hope continues continue june people sold real pitching fresh start magowan baker wiped negatives years real factor helping significantly improve year loos loos 
yankee bullpen organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn buck showalter wickman pitching game life innings yanks lead buck decides complete game wickman manages outs funs score sudden wickman buck bullpen farr faces night jimmy pitching long string games life innings yanks lead time buck thinks repeat fiasco wickman give bullpen work steve howe coming game left good farr homer royals fourth time year bullpen blown lead farr howe monteleone habyan deal finally terrific starting pitching sudden bullpen turns shit buck george continues happen alan 
jewish baseball players nntp posting host howdy organization washington physics dept lines bilinsky 
infield rule organization netcom line communication services guest lines jrogoff skidmore rogoff writes infield question puzzled addressed rule deal situation infield declared ball caught runners advance risk ball infield caught point runner legally leave base fear doubled advancing early ball hits ground fielder touches ball hits ground enlightenment appreciated understand question rule invoked batter automatically relieves runners forced advance base ball caught situation runner base forced base dropped ball ball caught decide stay ball dropped left base time eric smith erics erics 
astros back distribution organization austin lines article schwam david writes article marc austin marc stephenson writes astros relief corps holding doug jones changeup effective xavier hernandez effective passable reasonable left handed middle relief iffy edens expected boever setup role injured expansion team acquisition houston thought boever demand money doug jones lose touch cleveland star closer minors pretty short span understand boever murphy considered expendable club houston felt positions filled number players doug jones houston success great year houston challenge west argument murphy scared hell year hand club boever awful games league appearances point viable setup guess considered crucial club remember years unsuspected strength lower part order saved club biggio finley base filling role bagwell assume biggio finley biggio concerns starts season strong concerned consistent years good reasons decline injuries expect fine consistently good worrisome part coming side note concerned rumors year uniform talk road uniform blech traditional grey word houston written chest mistaken home uniforms totally eliminate color orange shiver mclane favorite color sounds road unis pretty dull buttons pullovers check uniform book orange upset current unforms dull sound horrible uniform return pretty houston established long precident wearing ugliest uniforms baseball astros pullover shirt astros stripes shoulders trouble making wear public change eliminate orange reupholster seats astros stripes section gold yellow levels numbers pinstripe version astros thought looked good marc stephenson advanced workstations systems austin disclaimer content posting independent official position internet marc vnet marc ausvmq 
players rushed majors organization biochemistry lines nntp posting host bruchner biochem duke article gatech russell earnest writes article uucp reed writes article hanson hanson writes didn horner straight arizona state univ atlanta braves remember great month hitting dingers heard japan month short career compared expected highly touted prospect injury prone overweight work ethic suffer rushed bigs suffered rushed bigs overweight work ethic leading injury prone loose corrected richmond intend smiley comment remember correctly doubt horner signing braves contingent starting atlanta back arizona year signed braves send richmond lead week long walkout methinks horner work ethic drafted minor league play helped talent started falling wrists eric lazy update roush 
jewish baseball players organization world public access unix brookline lines weiss played white early sixties chiefly back buford good glove spunk reminds serve kosher dogs comiskey mark bernstein eastgate systems main street watertown voice eastgate compuserve applelink eastgate 
jewish broadcasters jewish baseball players organization world public access unix brookline lines matter gentleman press jewish jewish sportscaster mind steve williams phillies show philadelphia mark bernstein eastgate systems main street watertown voice eastgate compuserve applelink eastgate 
candlestick park experience long organization sonoma county srsd mwtd newsreader version lines giants season ticket holder years complained ballyard place cold food lines long hired hands surly part giants mystique thought tuesday game giants marlins stick place short dome eliminate wind lines shorter bathrooms clean running water hired hands polite foghorn lights blows homerun wooden fence nice bleachers bleachers start fence give great view beer stands bottome bleachers complaint electronic fashioned scoreboard electronic things long time real businessman safeway president peter magowan figure checkers customers back checkers knock lurie competent businessman deal general public give level service changed onion dispenser jammed attendant apoligized problem proceeded machine cleaned machine glad able days attendant folks concession stands stand feet able craig mail address craige 
melido back reply uchicago organization university chicago distribution lines article nittmo bradley christopher taylor writes yankees planning activating melido perez days today bringing back weekend info chicago tribune pitching form perez pitching today buck rotation work confused stat page editor adam uchicago mercutio obligatory yankees baseball season woodlawn chicago 
kansas city mail contact organization mind link british columbia canada lines person running mail list kansas city royals mail details mailing list list info send info mail time read group john john carson john carson concepts 
source picks baerga alomar case closed organization cornell univ dept ithaca distribution lines article klopfens bgsu bruce klopfenstein writes fester mike fester writes make good equal rated baerga higher finally objective source alomar great player baerga nice objective source cited bigger posts fucked idea prefers alomar baerga lover indian hater wrong hate jays care indians objectively alomar offensive year year pick admit reliable objective source note rated alomar offensive player chosing baerga alomar defense joke alomar gold glover worse baerga defensively valentine 
defensive averages base organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host punisher caltech article craigs craig stelter writes gaetti gary apologies talking twins good players park remember completely gaetti played twins world series note lowest played angels lots factors make player excell hate dome ideal nice comfortably enjoy baseball football snowing raining craig company work opinions event impact gaetti career injury performance dropped radically twins stats offensive defensive back injury level brendan 
homeruns news software vnews nntp posting host pavo concordia organization concordia university lines previous live rick monday bury expos championship steve rogers primarily starter reliever spos reardon billee warming bullpen monday touch safe drugs time told recent venture montreal blast important aspect timing seventh game game expos back mike schmidt killed expos close strawberry killed pitch season couple years technical ring left stadium hard corelmark 
originator lines nntp posting host mahogany organization world champion minnesota twins article bratt nosubdomain nodomain john bratt writes game length valid statement games longer make sutcliff fisk factor account russ anderson disclaimer statements reflect employer twins jack morris innings pitched runs world series 
defensive averages base organization university illinois dept comp urbana lines craigs craig stelter writes dale stephenson steph uiuc wrote steph uiuc dale stephenson writes compiled defensive average reports career individual players reports stats courtesy sherri nichols players listed descending order comments players deleted basemen leius scott good moving short pagliarulo mike interesting line figure slightly average pathetic year part mobility yankees padres rotten infield twins judging leius gaetti metrodome good place play gaetti gary apologies talking twins good players park remember completely gaetti played twins world series note lowest played angels gaetti year california line career averages average check years metrodome gaetti pags leius leius years highest league posted minnesota players including pags mediocre horrible prove park effect work diego horrible infield numbers prove park effect work strong possibility lots factors make player excell hate dome ideal nice comfortably enjoy baseball football snowing raining nice play thrid base dale stephenson steph uiuc baseball fanatic considered good wise overburdened information golden kimball 
phills pirates organization hewlett packard boise printer division keywords lines article unisys dougherty writes philly penna baseball anxious penna series starts games played good baseball pirates good start shell handy dandy program answer monday pittsburg philadelphia tuesday pittsburg philadelphia wednesday pittsburg philadelphia friday philadelphia pittsburg saturday philadelphia pittsburg sunday philadelphia pittsburg friday pittsburg philadelphia saturday pittsburg philadelphia sunday pittsburg philadelphia monday philadelphia pittsburg tuesday philadelphia pittsburg wednesday philadelphia pittsburg thursday philadelphia pittsburg great program site unfortunatly recall schedule question answered author providing service 
astros real organization university houston lines distribution nntp posting host rosie news software vnews article marc austin marc stephenson writes article millerwl sfasu writes thinks astros places place road agree lumberjack places diego angeles francisco cincinnati denver atlanta miami philadelphia york montreal pittsburgh chicago louis points home faced phillies team start overly enthusiastic houston discourage hang lumberjack ahold shift obbase apparently owner drayton mclain excuses item paper austin american statesman read injuries excuse losing possibility accounted owner edge feeling honest city houston loves owner brought baseball back houston acquisitions players houston area wanted play astros people fearful mclane meddle team admitted baseball mclane businessman excuses makes valid point injuries excuse club depth bench season canadele play positions bass james solid outfielders uribe nice pitching staff legitimate starters dealing young houston team injuries play role threat bullpen jonesy trouble type starters season pressure david schwam university houston 
homeruns nntp posting host spot colorado organization university colorado boulder lines dswartz swartzendruber writes article boell corp donald boell writes impressive dave kingman infamous moon raker drives remember circa wrigley field street dead center field house roof whiffed connect watch favorite barry foote homer bounced waveland floor window street kong drive bouncing street dead ends park waveland mike timlin timlin colorado 
surfeit offense originator lines nntp posting host mahogany organization world champion minnesota twins article pablo pablo iglesias writes article tedward cornell edward fischer writes year american league scored runs games total runs game game tuesday runs games total runs game total game runs game game question significant returned minor abberation thoughts thought offense generally april rising weather warm pitchers tired bigger abberation norm feeling weather issue year cold spell north america makes harder mention making ball carry watch twins chicago cold spell snowing week minnesota inches duluth weekend things early category russ anderson disclaimer statements reflect employer twins jack morris innings pitched runs world series 
dick estelle nntp posting host koufax organization lady stand triple lines dick estelle radio reader lefty pitched briefly jints curious paul spending time reading baseball encyclopedia stretch farm animal natural length paula paul andresen hewlett packard home mckinley corvallis sabr member 
sparky anderson tigers beat cosc georgetown snyder distribution world organization georgetown university washington nntp posting host cosc georgetown lines article ragraca oakland randy graca writes tigers manager sparky anderson career moments tigers completed game sweep oakland tiger stadium beating highlights oakland detroit game description deleted post game interview radio detroit sparky anderson times emotional managing career moment tiger fans unanimously happy number woofing deleted randy post game interview larussa claimed sparky manager basebal explaining part history sparky softened blow losing tigers timothy snyder department computer science reiss georgetown university washington georgetown 
yankees home opener organization massachusetts institute technology lines distribution nntp posting host marinara article writes article millits millitello telling call vesterman yeah case prompt genius pick paper spelled hint single charles 
slugging percentage computed organization utexas mail news gateway lines nntp posting host utexas subject line advance email chuck cubs 
jewish baseball players organization suny college oswego oswego lines rusty staub jewish ball player mordaci brown back early century pitcher nickname fingers brown obvious reasons fingers 
braves pitching updatedir originator news nntp posting host crux princeton reply roger princeton roger lustig organization princeton university lines article drake writes clear team winning games games game luck play bigger role game pitching staff hold opposing team scored runs strain pitching staff make easier game pitching staff world compensate blown call gust wind winning close wrong keeping opposing runs scoring insurance shit aspect baseball great teamhas good pitching machine league average pitching rose morgan bench perez managed games peaking roger 
time players originator news nntp posting host crux princeton reply roger princeton roger lustig organization princeton university lines article jmhodapp jhuapl writes article roger princeton roger lustig writes article mbstultz bsuvc writes recently working project determine greatest players respective postions career johnny hodapp greatest baseman cleveland indians history hits consistantly great great baseman header career hodapp managed years majors consistently make years preceded part time year year boston hodapp qualified batting title times injured retired birthday hodapp flashy numbers year flashy numbers good year years marred lack power inability draw walks bases balls describe feared hitter hand part long line famous cleveland wambsganss riggs stephenson roger johnny hodapp jmhodapp jhuapl 
home bosox originator news nntp posting host crux princeton reply roger princeton roger lustig organization princeton university lines article jrogoff skidmore rogoff writes agree happy stadium comiskey park made baseball unlike rivers riverfront football park play baseball multipurpose subject forget shea designed accommodate mets jets stadium seats rollers oriented angles baseball parallel football olim stadium built years earlier nowadays move seats back exhibition games base lower deck move metal pretty noisy jets jersey good football stadium mets saddled multipurpose stadium circular seats action mets announcers kiner murphy hyped beautiful shea stadium tipoff unbeautiful vastly fixed back late dump roger noise 
dave kingman hall fame originator news nntp posting host crux princeton reply roger princeton roger lustig organization princeton university lines article steve tomassi writes baseball fans deserves heck dave winfield considered smith give dave kingman chance darrell evans yeah yeah hall fame takes eddie murray jeff reardon eddie murray superb baseman long time winfield produced consistently almsot years excellently occasions dave kingman year darryl strawberry typical year mets darrell evans homers kong case sick tired sick giving hall fame consideration players today standards marginal talking eddie murray marginal years marginal long time honestly ozzie smith robin yount belong shortstops hung long time deal smith hung long time fielded position yount stopped shortstop decade case noticed awards centerfielder selective stop handing honors liberally save deserve face players hall goos running prestige hall fame anymore case standards players hall recent picks generally excellent individuals steve garvey jack morris potential candidates absurdity apparent compare future hall famers kirby puckett nolan ryan cares stan musial good babe ruth belongs hall generally major leaguers players game pretty easy argue smith yount evans winfield dave kingman hand liability career garvey hasn press ryan morris voters tend morris good decade lead history walks allowed roger 
jewish baseball players originator news nntp posting host crux princeton reply roger princeton roger lustig organization princeton university lines article lafayette writes wondering friend talking reason names jewish baseball players past present able sandy koufax stankowitz john lowenstein sounds pretty lame racking brains humor stankiewicz doubt koufax jewish hofs hank greenberg good players buddy myer johnny kling norm larry sherry holtzman saul rogovin reulbach jewish major leaguers years article track magazine article entitled jews books subject roger 
jewish baseball players originator news nntp posting host crux princeton reply roger princeton roger lustig organization princeton university lines article uchicago writes article pablo pablo iglesias writes article lafayette writes wondering friend talking reason names jewish baseball players past present able sandy koufax stankowitz john lowenstein sounds pretty lame racking brains humor hank greenberg famous jewish faith affected play missing late season world series games kippur jewish carew converted convert married jewish woman heard converted elliot maddox hand lowenstein jewish montana representative major leagues undeserving young award winner steve stone jewish stone koufax holtzman wrong pitcher thinking threw hitter reulbach starting rotation berg catch harry steinfeldt tinkers evers chance infield holtzman saul rogovin title blowing stanky jewish dave cohen kinda misinterpretation stuck majors long surprised shopping gallego make room roger 
sandberg runs rbis notes jays indians series originator news nntp posting host crux princeton reply roger princeton roger lustig organization princeton university distribution lines article bratt nosubdomain nodomain john bratt writes article niguma gord niguma writes alomar fans left fans runs list dependant team large extent frank thomas lose place hitters drive runs happen devon white front pretty sandberg correct wrong rbis runs scored important offensive statistics talk fact remains team scores runs wins game cares player credited long team runs player helps team score cares player single player grounder short reaches force player double player helped team hard flame roger 
home bosox lines writes heard month back dome stadium relatives moved city releasing funds verify game bosox lived boston area years talking boston garden hockey basketball lived hurdle overcome hurdle fans grumbling foxboro stadium called year long preliminary proposals stadium local politics prevents timely fashion ballpark lifetime logan nashua 
cubs mailing list andrew side moon uoknor chihuahua charlie distribution organization academic user services nntp posting host loopback uoknor news software vnews lines lines running chicago national league ballclub list send information andrew uoknor chihuahua charlie responsible academic user services university oklahoma andrew uoknor incident 
darryl organization university southern california angeles lines distribution world nntp posting host pollux mark singer brings strawberry incident lost homerun caught dodger game public address announcer makes speech fans souvenirs balls stands long interfere field play wrong aware situation acted avoid possibility interference fans catch ball aware winning game important dodger aware home stadium entails helping home team ball instinct root darryl catch catch sitting close enjoy attitude wrigley fans visiting team home runs throw back field darryl caught screwed realize responsibility team daniel daniel 
yankee bullpen nntp posting host clove journalism indiana reply dwarner indiana organization indiana university lines alan sepinwall writes bullpen blues deleted buck george continues happen alan george logical thing yanks bullpen performing fire manager david dwarner indiana blue riddle productions coming tape time real mail 
dave kingman hall fame organization silicon graphics mountain view lines nntp posting host summit article roger princeton roger lustig writes ryan morris voters tend morris good decade lead history walks allowed walks loses ryan deserves hall fame imho based hitters strike records extra people andre dawson kubey reading editing printing text address kubey express written consent disclaimer usual major league baseball prohibited 
bonds maddux organization university houston lines reply nntp posting host jane article loos loos writes giants closely season newspapers notesgroup close personal night stick watching giants hitters struggle year barry swing impressive quick swing effortless compared clark clark late interesting bonds maddux barry revenge braves stroked pretty hits giants maddux interesting maddux pitch bonds clayton night threw straight fastballs plate bonds night bonds park clark base maddux intentionally walk bonds bonds dropped single left center giants team surprising things year addition bonds good pitching hitters swinging clayton defense superb mcgee leading year manwaring driving ball braves announcers pointed mcgee leadoff hitter scored base percentage lineup matt williams stay bonds runners base hope continues continue june people sold real pitching pitching back black burba superb filling pitcher year swift terrible starts burba moving rotation mike jackson handed reliever beck actions hope dusty manage bullpen roger craig beck concerned beck straight days earlier week fresh start magowan baker wiped negatives years real factor helping significantly improve year good edward 
jewish baseball players lines newsreader version oswego wrote rusty staub jewish ball player mordaci brown back early century pitcher nickname fingers brown obvious reasons fingers daniel patrick staub catholic school nawlins mordecai brown farm protestant midwest lost fingers farm machinery accident palmer jewish jockey shorts adoptive parents absolutely carew converted wife children jewish neal traven young traven pitt immature forever larry andersen 
spanky nntp posting host clove journalism indiana reply dwarner indiana organization indiana university lines sherri nichols writes article boone boone writes spanky slow quicker slaught prince lose prince order bring pitcher slaught good spanky prince coming nicely prince year catcher young dann bilardello young bordello begin fathom pirates afraid losing seasons pirates released kirk gibson year prince options eventually prince cleared waivers peep year older clear waivers care strong possibility bucs absolutely catching prospects minors point ready majors duty main reason stayed prince spanky creeping things considered comfortable spanky plate prince decent backup backstop work sherri nichols snichols david dwarner indiana blue riddle productions coming tape time real mail 
jewish baseball players organization american software development corp west babylon lines article lafayette writes wondering friend talking reason names jewish baseball players past present able sandy koufax stankowitz john lowenstein sounds pretty lame racking brains humor bloomberg yankee base designated hitter jewish scott barman mets mailing list feed shell scott mail mets request subscribe mets 
jewish baseball players organization american software development corp west babylon lines article lafayette writes wondering friend talking reason names jewish baseball players past present able sandy koufax stankowitz john lowenstein sounds pretty lame racking brains humor forgot shamsky mets player batted injuries fell short qualifying injuries platoon swoboda swobo jewish scott barman mets mailing list feed shell scott mail mets request subscribe mets 
fernandez organization american software development corp west babylon distribution lines article nasa miller writes read morning fernandez left nights game stiffness shoulder information extent injury weather cold colorado joints stiff radio developed stiffness shoulder throwing curveball loosen cold night denver decided remove game pitch expected pitch turn rotation expected april shea giants scott barman mets mailing list feed shell scott mail mets request subscribe mets 
homeruns organization massachusetts institute technology lines nntp posting host electric monk article dswartz swartzendruber writes article boell corp donald boell writes impressive dave kingman infamous moon raker drives remember circa wrigley field street dead center field house roof whiffed connect watch home roger clemens couple years threw ball incaviglia literally inky neck absolutely hammered crap swing clemens nonchalantly motioned ball turn upset ball lights left field standard feet green monster feet ground total amazing shot charles 
braves pitching updatedir organization duke university durham lines nntp posting host keynes econ duke amazingly pitchers matter good mechanics machines young winners pitch vaccuum unaware offenses braves pitching staff showing signs cracking strain knowing runs braves pitchers long organization stress stress pitching completely hitting braves woefully similar braves seventies heaven duke duke duke duke correspondents email changed address duke mail bounces acpub duke 
braves stoppers organization duke university durham lines nntp posting host keynes econ duke term stopper generally refer pitcher counted pitch strong game team losing streak braves plenty pitchers description expect smoltz glavine mantle braves lack offensive stopper bring hitting slump braves pure hitter lonnie smith terry pendleton current roster shown cursory ability thing worries gant slowed step scary slow gant duke duke duke duke correspondents email changed address duke mail bounces acpub duke 
omar vizquel grand salami nntp posting host clove journalism indiana reply dwarner indiana organization indiana university lines cheryl marks writes omar grand slam result club week banner appeared kingdome older women omar depends older cheryl david dwarner indiana blue riddle productions coming tape time real mail 
source picks baerga alomar case closed reply tedward cornell message distribution lines organization toronto joke alomar gold glover worse baerga defensively alomar time gold glover valentine 
nntp posting host clove journalism indiana reply dwarner indiana organization indiana university lines kind soul mail find program interested road trips year david dwarner indiana blue riddle productions coming tape time real mail 
gotta question organization computer science department rose hulman lines distribution reply rickert rose hulman john rickert nntp posting host nextwork rose hulman article demers ucsd david demers writes article cjkuo jimmy writes gatech michael andre mule writes maximum runs allowed stopper credit relief stopper lead getcredit save pitch innings team ahead wins game save sort correct pitched innings entered team lead pitcher game ended game tied stint team save rulebook opinion scorer pitched effectively innings save automatic unlike sabr looked games years found official scorer awarded save games pitcher pitched badly allowing runs hearing sense worth john rickert rickert rose hulman 
sandberg runs rbis notes jays indians series organization cornell univ dept ithaca distribution lines article roger princeton roger lustig writes cares player credited long team runs player helps team doesn score cares amusing sdcns realize baseball team game combining efforts player game night bottom game clemens pitched strong innings allowing runs ryan pitched couple shutout innings needed excellent defensive plays quantrill pitched couple innings gave ahead credited scored bottom inning team effort quantrill credit offense dawson vaughn early game lost quintana solid single zupcic pinch quintana providing speed cooper ripped single inning melvin avoided home scrub richardson double scoring speedy cooper hill lack defense helped cooper zupcic credited runs melvin richardson credited rbis quintana inning melvin contribute richardson people rbis significant runs melvin contribute cooper cooper provided game winning baserunner moved tying base assigning credit based runs rbis ridiculous argue show clutch claim contributed night victory valentine 
erickson keith miller article news lhyd organization university minnesota minneapolis csci dept lines nntp posting host micro article frankkim frank writes wondering knew erickson keith miller expected back ails dunno miller scott erickson reigning twins consistent good player pulled muscle neighborhood cage made essentially impossible pitch temporarily expected back mound sunday david thornley tickets scott ericksons pitch 
infield rule organization duke university durham lines nntp posting host keynes econ duke article shippert caltech shippert writes infield rule feeling lucky runner sprint glory ball popped caught scored headed deion sanders case heads back dugout waits base running blunder opportunity duke duke duke duke correspondents email changed address duke mail bounces acpub duke 
melido back distribution organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn melido today start tonight rangers distance bullpen outta vladimir alan sepinwall water cold kent people sexually frustrated kilmer real genius 
wfan organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn article derby writes side sports radio people complain station information hear depth wire today benefit favorite teams vicinity wonders people talk cataldi eagles lupica bonilla incident station country agree agree idea vote outta vladimir alan water cold kent people sexually frustrated kilmer real genius 
bonilla nntp posting host clove journalism indiana reply dwarner indiana organization indiana university distribution lines jiann ming writes bobby bonilla supposedly word faggot author clubhouse banned baseball year schott bother david dwarner indiana blue riddle productions coming tape time real mail 
homeruns organization cornell univ dept ithaca lines article charles kozierok writes home roger clemens couple years threw ball incaviglia literally inky neck absolutely hammered crap swing clemens nonchalantly motioned ball turn upset ball lights left field standard feet green monster feet ground total amazing shot agree home runs clemens memorable kinda eclipses hurricanes happen cheers valentine 
jewish baseball players organization brotherhood breath lines thought walt weiss jewish recall mentioned oakland suspicions esther canseco haddad gidi 
royals final total organization university michigan consulting support lines nntp posting host stimpy umich newsreader version time absent figured stick neck royals record fewest runs scored team inception rule ideas fall easily short runs damn media fools picking division gage detroit news claiming herk robinson kind genius trades aquisitions made sean sean sweda sweda umich consultant president sura club manager motor city marauders internet baseball league play ball 
formula distribution organization olivetti cupertino lines subject tells find formula calculate pitchers baseball fans mail napoli olivetti gaetano napolitano 
phillies deja reply kmelcher arco organization arco exploration production technology lines blamed phillies collapse sept phillies game lead play born sept phils proceeded lose straight cards straight exact numbers pennant blown likes remind began born 
candlestick park experience long organization university denver dept math comp lines craige craig writes things long time real businessman safeway president peter magowan figure checkers customers back checkers knock lurie competent businessman deal general public interesting article craig amazing hard baseball teams understand properly market teams treat customers business century attitudes current owners display running clubs guess owners baseball high growth rate bring century business practices game realize growth game capable terms long term popularity game fans greg 
players rushed majors organization computer science department rose hulman lines reply rickert rose hulman john rickert nntp posting host nextwork rose hulman article gatech russell earnest writes brings back long suffering memories chop braves fans promised horner dale murphy back back power slam stop guess horner played games murphy played horner games murphy games braves lost games john rickert rickert rose hulman 
rockies spoon feed game mets organization scientific computing division ncar boulder lines article boell corp donald boell writes bichette totally lost outfield playing horrible defense baylor wednesday game wanted shake lineup bichette rough time defensively jerald clark hitting true word thursday game gerald young daryl boston left baylor careful necessarily permanent wanted give shot clark bichette playing defense bichette field mile high stadium bitch play visiting outfielders problems bobby bonilla made great catch crashing wall daryl boston extra base thursday game greg 
bring organization homewood academic computing johns hopkins university baltimore lines distribution world expires nntp posting host jhunix summary root root root orioles heard selling team group cinninati make real free agent signings offseason training camp reports pretty positive backup catcher postion showdown tackett parent prefer parent draft pick jeff hammonds coming faster hierarchy minors faster expected mike flanagan comeback defended coaches homers awful beginning season improved half year feel mussina young year able pitch entire season periods fatigue year august hope baines provide support orsulak decent hoped chito martinez learn defense play left handed hitters anderson proving year fluke return averages plusses drive pennant rotation sutcliffe mussina mcdonald rhodes olson interesting case strike side load bases outs east year personal biases mixed baltimore york toronto milwaukee cleveland boston detroit true contenders mind division snows hell maryland feel baltimore season finally admiral steve internet address admiral committee liberation intergration terrifying organisms rehabilitation society dwarf polymorph bangles greatest female rock band existed brought frungy sport kings 
baseball stats organization homewood academic computing johns hopkins university baltimore lines distribution expires nntp posting host jhunix summary stats wanted friends running homewood fantasy baseball league pure fantasy baseball teams unfortunely running league earl weaver baseball comm disk stats season preferably major league stat disk total stats split stats inning games comm disk turns total stats stats left handed stats stat disk mail admiral steve internet address admiral committee liberation intergration terrifying organisms rehabilitation society dwarf polymorph bangles greatest female rock band existed brought frungy sport kings 
superstars attendance teemu selanne leaders nntp posting host stpl ists organization solar terresterial physics laboratory ists distribution lines dean falcione posting jrmst writes wrote pens mario granted publicity interest immediately generated gretzky thing imnsho team marked improvement attendance team record improve year lemieux pittsburgh finished points arrival pens finished points couple stanley cups thrown point pens attendance capacity sellouts made playoffs explain place team breaking attendance records playoffs years mario lemieux explanation imho make case expectation improving team make playoffs reason funny mention case make reason lemieux point season gretzky hart ross people turned watch play grant star mario draw fans team sucks short term attendance increase team winning competitive improving butt kicking pittsburgh people continued support suddenly dropped points knee surgery people jumping bandwagon year pens points numbers guide record book made transaction build winner mario true improvement attendance started coffey late playoff bound team doubling attendance occured previous year increase points points arrival mario lemieux give credit mario deserves point mario expectation things winning team created great hockey superstar jumps picking mincing words back read thread started mind suddenly found interest mario pens mario lemieux amazing watch play kick side watch play similar thing happened gretzky arrival game constant sellouts selling game showing improvement gretzky year explain people gretzky winner winner teams past history draw accurate tickets sell people games thread discussed season ticket holders tickets effect kings initial success gretzky arrival points source attendance jump effective drop attendance ticket sales changed kings winner debatable claim gretzky arrival competitive claim mcnall made stupid move reassemble oiler dynasty story included mcnall mcnall heavy marketing gretzky undoubtedly responsible attendance merchandising sales kings tailspins past couple years empty seats forum tickets sold case lemieux gretzky player transcend winning major drawing power short term inevitable team improve player lemieux gretzky simply make people winning hell helps full agreement make roger point valid jets roger valid point huge jump productivity huge jump attendance emergence teemu selanne record hockey hell winning worse year type reasoning applied pittsburgh applies extra people showing winnipeg games difficult predict jets miss playoffs season year maintain attendance levels doubt case expectation improving team selanne provide rocket ismail toronto argonauts leave case fair case curious hear explanation 
team leaders nntp posting host stpl ists organization solar terresterial physics laboratory ists lines article maynard laurentian roger maynard writes jets breakaway pass scheme create scoring sensation order generate interest teams score goals winnipeg selanne winnipeg scores contribution impressive implicitly assuming goals scored winnipeg selanne blamed roger forward winnipeg lousy defensive record john cullen terrible excuse powerplay points count selanne object game feed selanne feeding selanne contribute meaningful winning knowledgeable hockey observers world agree feeding selanne score contribute meaningful winning burns goal suck team worried teemu glenn anderson team selanne management object exercise selanne hockey games score refer comment selanne grandstanding goal suck parades arms outstretched scoring goal messiah returned nope busy watching foligno jump goal 
year biggest worst opinion keywords awards article aludra pqgq organization university southern california angeles lines nntp posting host aludra comment kings obvious candidate pleasant surprise alex zhitnik highly touted defensive defenseman great skater hard shot accurate fact pretty allowed kings trade huge defensive liability paul coffey kelly hrudey biggest disappointment thought good begin mediocre goaltender choice tomas sandstrom fault thugs toronto decided threaten career order avoid conceding goal award robert lang uninspiring czech robitaille easily prefer give blake quietly league premier defensemen kings manage hold rest young defense fewer goals hartford honorable mentions majestic marty warren rychel 
year biggest worst opinion keywords awards article news distribution world organization university california irvine lines nntp posting host orion article smale uwaterloo bryan smale writes biggest biggest suprise disappointment angeles kings robitaille donnelly hrudey chosen alex zhitnik biggest suprise expect great defenseman knew impressive rookie year speed skating ability puck control exceptional watch kings kris kris assist kings 
ncaa finals winner article bigboote pqgt distribution world organization worcester polytechnic institute lines nntp posting host coyote originator ching maine beat lssu logistician reigns supreme blue tigers pistons lions wings ching 
keywords leafs chicago organization university waterloo lines gotta night leafs game devils nail bitter played game teams thought night leafs devils outplaying toronto differ imho clark deserved star gilmour fast breaks good opportunites created reminded clark credit gilmour leafs playing great hockey injury list includes cullen ellet zezel macoun question leafs fare healthy playing standings defence moved month lost home games game undefeated streak wrong potvin shut remember april race norris begun close race chicago toronto game season lucky tickets coming stretch roar leafs alfred yong toronto wins mathematics actuarial science university waterloo canada coca cola idea personally mail ayim waterloo 
give blood shirts article jethro pqkfp reply jake distribution world organization microsystems lines nntp posting host rambler shirts probert line clothes shirt give blood fight probie cool sound cult classic post address phone store sells jake 
ncaa finals winner ktgeiss muohio organization miami university academic computer service lines lake state maine finals post 
trade rumor montreal ottawa phillie article auvm mweintr organization american university university computing center lines sprach slegge sportsdesk reported ottawa reported montreal send players million including damphousse brian bellows phillidelphia phillie send eric lindros ottawa ottawa give round pick montreal true depend ottawa choose ottawa afford lindros salary personally philli giving lindros give quebec trade mention lindros huge draw phillie represents successful future franchise ottawa taking players montreal pick stephen legge slegge munc things trade deadline pass weeks flyers give lindros simple flyers mike rush marillion genesis king crimson dream theater beatles mike weintraub courageous convictions mweintr drag dream jedi cerf existence american university washington rush limbaugh philadelphia flyers vancouver canucks philadelphia phillies 
alignnment expansion organization naval postgraduate school monterey lines article andrew andrew scott writes article nixdorf eric nixdorf writes divisions aligned teams central norris pacific smyth divisions teams northeast adams atlantic patrick divisions thought occurs inherent realignment expansion team central division team pacific division published expansion committee formed couple years back ottawa tampa expansion john zeigler stated time expansion plan grow teams division turn century andrew scott andrew idacom telecom division roman considered night sharks broadcast commissioner bettman interviewed intermission made bones expansion permanent hold satisfied current allotment fully stable means cities club foreseeable future wait team location fails relocate good sense expanding means failing franchises mold galvin galvint navy 
summary parse results games played april cook charlie organization university brunswick lines tampa philadelphia period philadelphia carkner unassisted philadelphia hawgood recchi lindros philadelphia lindros recchi hawgood tampa beers zamuner chambers period tampa andersson hamrlik lafreniere philadelphia conroy butsayev faust philadelphia beranek galley hawgood period philadelphia recchi brind amour galley philadelphia power play scorer beranek brind amour butsayev carkner conroy faust galley hawgood lindros recchi tampa power play scorer andersson beers chambers hamrlik lafreniere zamuner vancouver detroit period detroit kozlov fedorov chiasson detroit drake ciccarelli coffey vancouver ronning slegr bure period detroit sheppard drake hiller detroit ciccarelli chiasson drake period detroit ysebaert fedorov cheveldae detroit power play special goals total scorer cheveldae chiasson ciccarelli coffey drake fedorov hiller kozlov sheppard ysebaert vancouver power play scorer bure ronning slegr buffalo boston period buffalo audette corkum wood boston juneau neely oates period buffalo errey lafontaine khmylev boston douris sweeney bourque period boston donato unassisted boston power play scorer bourque donato douris juneau neely oates sweeney buffalo power play scorer audette corkum errey khmylev lafontaine wood calgary jose period calgary suter reichel macinnis period jose zmolek odgers evason jose kisio garpenlov gaudreau calgary lindberg macinnis period scoring overtime calgary fleury otto yawney calgary power play scorer fleury lindberg macinnis otto reichel suter yawney jose power play scorer evason garpenlov gaudreau kisio odgers zmolek pittsburgh quebec period quebec kamensky huffman quebec young lapointe huffman period pittsburgh mullen lemieux murphy pittsburgh lemieux tocchet samuelsson pittsburgh lemieux tocchet stevens quebec young sundin kovalenko period pittsburgh tippett unassisted pittsburgh tippett mceachern mullen pittsburgh power play special goals total scorer lemieux mceachern mullen murphy samuelsson stevens tippett tocchet quebec power play scorer huffman kamensky kovalenko lapointe sundin young jersey toronto period scoring period scoring period toronto gilmour andreychuk anderson toronto power play scorer anderson andreychuk gilmour jersey power play scoring ottawa hartford period ottawa maciver baker luongo hartford kron nylander gosselin hartford burt cassels verbeek hartford cunneyworth yake nylander hartford sanderson cassels houda hartford verbeek cassels zalapski period hartford sanderson cassels zalapski period hartford kron poulin burt ottawa turgeon lamb ottawa baker luongo maciver hartford power play scorer burt cassels cunneyworth gosselin houda kron nylander poulin sanderson verbeek yake zalapski ottawa power play scorer baker lamb luongo maciver turgeon winnipeg edmonton period winnipeg tkachuk housley zhamnov edmonton klima ciger elik period winnipeg king unassisted winnipeg zhamnov selanne winnipeg domi selanne housley period edmonton manson unassisted winnipeg eagles numminen bautin winnipeg zhamnov ulanov selanne edmonton gelinas kravchuk ranford edmonton kravchuk buchberger winnipeg power play scorer bautin domi eagles housley king numminen selanne tkachuk ulanov zhamnov edmonton power play scorer buchberger ciger elik gelinas klima kravchuk manson ranford chicago louis period louis shanahan janney hull period chicago murphy chelios roenick louis shanahan hedican janney chicago noonan murphy chelios louis bozon chicago roenick sutter murphy period scoring overtime scoring louis power play special goals total scorer bozon chelios hedican hull janney murphy shanahan chicago power play scorer chelios murphy noonan roenick sutter montreal islanders period scoring period montreal brunet carbonneau daigneault islanders turgeon thomas kurvers islanders mullen unassisted period montreal bellows desjardins dipietro montreal damphousse desjardins bellows montreal power play scorer bellows brunet carbonneau daigneault damphousse desjardins dipietro islanders power play scorer kurvers mullen thomas turgeon minnesota angeles period minnesota dahlen unassisted minnesota courtnall dahlen modano period minnesota mcphee sjodin hatcher period scoring minnesota power play scorer courtnall dahlen hatcher mcphee modano sjodin angeles power play scoring 
summary parse results games played april cook charlie organization university brunswick lines rangers washington period rangers graves turcotte lowe rangers gartner messier rangers olczyk messier amonte period rangers beukeboom unassisted period scoring rangers power play scorer amonte beukeboom gartner graves lowe messier olczyk turcotte washington power play scoring boston buffalo period scoring period boston leach wesley oates boston oates douris poulin period boston douris bourque boston power play special goals total scorer bourque douris leach oates poulin wesley buffalo power play scoring pittsburgh jersey period pittsburgh francis lemieux tocchet period pittsburgh murphy francis mullen pittsburgh francis tocchet lemieux pittsburgh jagr tocchet francis jersey zelepukin driver lemieux period jersey maclean nicholls stevens pittsburgh lemieux jagr pittsburgh power play special goals total scorer francis jagr lemieux mullen murphy tocchet jersey power play scorer driver lemieux maclean nicholls stevens zelepukin toronto philadelphia period philadelphia dineen beranek hawgood philadelphia mcgill lindros recchi period philadelphia lindros recchi galley period philadelphia dineen hawgood galley philadelphia power play scorer beranek dineen galley hawgood lindros mcgill recchi toronto power play scoring vancouver ottawa period scoring period vancouver plavsic craven vancouver momesso nedved plavsic period vancouver bure unassisted vancouver power play scorer bure craven momesso nedved plavsic ottawa power play scoring louis chicago period chicago sutter murphy chelios louis janney shanahan brown chicago roenick chelios smith chicago roenick sutter chelios chicago graham gilbert ruuttu louis janney shanahan crossman period scoring period chicago murphy chelios belfour louis miller hull janney louis janney miller shanahan chicago power play scorer belfour chelios gilbert graham murphy roenick ruuttu smith sutter louis power play scorer brown crossman hull janney miller shanahan calgary jose period calgary otto yawney ashton jose odgers pederson wilkinson period calgary nieuwendyk johansson reese calgary reichel skrudland berube period calgary ashton otto fleury jose pederson odgers evason jose odgers gaudreau evason calgary power play scorer ashton berube fleury johansson nieuwendyk otto reese reichel skrudland yawney jose power play scorer evason gaudreau odgers pederson wilkinson 
playoff predictions organization freshman track carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply stanley champion vancouver canucks pittsburgh walk jack penguins stop canucks predictions patrick division winner pittsburgh adams division winner quebec montreal norris division winner detroit smythe division winner winnipeg wales conference champ pittsburgh campbell conference champ detroit stanley champions pittsburgh canucks suck lose round compliments winnipeg teemu selanne pens unstoppable mario lemieux 
coloured puck noted article uicvm organization university illinois chicago academic computer center lines article dwarf jordan precedent season puck exhibition games blue regular season thankfully abandoned favour black season began reason abandoned blue puck fact crumbled quickly play blue affected vulcanized rubber puck decreasing cohesiveness terry 
pool gold reply golchowy chem utoronto message organization akademi university finland news reader news lines golchowy chem utoronto writes article nmcglynn writes risen pool seasons pulled world championships enter part pool hosted pool game progress pool finished pool year hosted pool winning games pool games pool world champions year show canadians hockey team france italy great britain significant number canadians hockey teams lots foreign born players canadian national soccer team brits give back record rangers coach darth sator recently lion milan jari kurri team nickname changed devils lion straight italian championship made european final autumn losing swedish champs malmo semis accomplished feat fifteen canadian born players mamma marcu gerald 
year biggest worst opinion keywords awards article hydra organization georgia institute technology lines article umturne umanitoba daryl turner writes washington patty bust rework trade minute druce complete utter bust goals druce pretty sucked caps good playoffs season caps notorious making stupid trades cicarelli hrivnak trades sigh note caps biggest surprise cote caps fans expecting bondra skins question emotional music braves effect mike patton faith hornets capitals mike friedman hrivnak internet gatech 
canadian silver dollar stanley centennial hammerl buffalo valerie hammerl organization nntp posting host lictor acsu buffalo lines questionable newspaper silver dollar minted canada back commemorates anniversary stanley full coins canada easily fish pocket change fact question loon dollar coin legal tender commemorative coin monetary exchange sort thing hockey buffs coin collectors covet chance circulated uncirculated coin current cost potential curious culture canada collecting valerie hammerl days remind hammerl buffalo mario lemieux herb brooks claude acscvjh buffalo lemieux scorer devils pwwpz buffalo taking dumb penalties 
superstars attendance teemu selanne leaders organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury distribution lines dchhabra ists deepak chhabra writes dean falcione posting jrmst writes reason lemieux point season gretzky hart ross people turned watch play grant star mario draw fans team sucks short term attendance increase team winning competitive improving butt kicking pittsburgh people continued support suddenly dropped points knee surgery people jumping bandwagon disagree mcnall demonstrated gretzky star brings crowds team expected fans real istically expect kings year gretzky marketing strategy selling game selling stars employed baseball notably attitude bettman mcnall leadership bringing league record stating sell game stars timo salami brett hull perfect examples players real fans worth damn benificiaries marketing oriented coaching strategies goal totals casual observer fans attract players superstars made transaction build winner mario true improvement attendance started coffey late playoff bound team doubling attendance occured previous year increase points points arrival mario lemieux mind suddenly found interest mario pens mario lemieux amazing watch play kick side watch play simple casual find adult digit believes mcdonalds makes good hamburgers provide rocket ismail toronto argonauts leave case fair case curious hear explanation apparently rocket lived marketing responsi bilities hyped initially superstar grey game maintain enhance assess ment talents argo fans feel team cordially roger maynard maynard laurentian 
ottawa montreal philly trade article reply turgeo plymouth randy turgeon organization plymouth state college plymouth lines idiot posted gretzky trade toronto sheesh waited garbage believed half heard mother goose mario lemieux traded winnpeg domi randy heard tiny college hicksville hampshire plymouth state college 
team leaders organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury lines dchhabra ists deepak chhabra writes implicitly assuming goals scored winnipeg selanne blamed roger forward winnipeg lousy defensive record john cullen terrible excuse powerplay points count selanne comparing cullen salami valid winnipeg lousy defensive team hell salami stand team blueline puck object game feed selanne feeding selanne contribute meaningful winning knowledgeable hockey observers world agree feeding selanne score contribute meaningful winning excuse jets playing hockey check barely allowed goals scored sounds awful salami sounds played solid game friends finland claim capable chal lenging league lead goals planes challenging worried teemu glenn anderson team compared timo anderson cullen mike foligno selanne management object exercise selanne hockey games score refer comment finnish friends watched play claim play solid game style contribution conducive winning selanne grandstanding goal suck parades arms outstretched scoring goal messiah returned nope busy watching foligno jump goal compare foligno honestly read discrimination thinking contributions highly valued argumentative cordially roger maynard maynard laurentian 
memoriam kelly danny gallivan nntp posting host stpl ists organization solar terresterial physics laboratory ists distribution lines article burke burke writes talking hockey broadcasters give moment silence remember louis blues great kelly heard late early hockey night canada intermissions recently deceased great danny gallivan canadiens agreed forget kelly calling play play canada masterful danny gallivan replaced watch hnic remember voice macinnis iafrate named shoot shot point blistering blast tribute gallivan issue death story included quote games appears risebrough pugnaciously construed check undoubtedly make visitation punition classic vintage gallivan sorely missed dchhabra ists 
year biggest worst opinion keywords awards organization university waterloo lines thinking teams mvps biggest surprises biggest disappointments year observations admittedly lacking opportunity teams amount valuable player team terms points terms leadership biggest surprise player rose expectation player raised level game height level necessarily warrant allstar berth includes players outset season team plans biggest disappointment player expected picked denis savard montreal emphasis offence brought demers savard team biggest biggest team surprise disappointment boston bruins oates sweeney wesley buffalo sabres lafontaine mogilny audette jinx calgary flames roberts reichel petit chicago blackhawks roenick ruuttu goulet detroit wings yzerman chaisson kozlov edmonton oilers manson buchberger mellanby hartford whalers sanderson cassells corriveau angeles kings robitaille donnelly hrudey minnesota north stars modano tinordi expected back broten montreal canadiens muller lebeau savard jersey devils stevens semak maclean york islanders turgeon king finally marois york rangers messier kovalev bourque ottawa senators maciver baker jelinek philadelphia flyers lindros recchi fedyk galley eklund pittsburgh penguins lemieux tocchet jagr quebec nordiques sakic ricci kovalenko pearson jose sharks kisio gaudreau maley louis blues shanahan joseph sutter tampa lightening bradley bradley creighton kasper toronto maple leafs gilmour potvin ellett anderson vancouver canucks bure nedved finally momesso washington capitals hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jets selanne selanne druce mentioned impressions opinions fans nearer teams words toronto newspaper bryan 
year biggest worst opinion keywords awards organization lines nntp posting host club smale uwaterloo bryan smale writes team biggest biggest team surprise disappointment washington capitals hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jets selanne selanne druce traded poetic justice 
talk sticks lines organization university waterloo article dptom corp arnold writes hockey playing fans finatics wide range aluminum sticks time playing pieces lumbar weigh alot break thinking changing aluminum shaft break blade change problem wide reange models selections post suggestions experiences aluminum sticks difference models dislike brands aluminum sticks christian broke shaft halfway season years bought canadian beginning season easton friend giving game find easton blades easier brands blades pretty interchangeable watch dried bits firewood stores pass blades experiences blades aluminum break regular sticks broken aluminum shaft aluminum sticks blades quickly changed bench downside shaft break decide impale ciao mark vegetable rick moranis shop horrors mark shoesmith shoe watstar uwaterloo 
year biggest worst opinion organization idacom division hewlett packard keywords awards lines article smale uwaterloo bryan smale writes thinking teams mvps biggest surprises biggest disappointments year observations admittedly lacking opportunity teams amount team surprise disappointment edmonton oilers manson buchberger mellanby oilers heck games deserve suggest kelly buchberger dave manson brutal year pick star game notwithstanding biggest surprise buchberger higher expectations year breakthrough year year raise game suggestion shjon podein callups cape breton year depth chart oilers stable prospects made impact team goals games decent numbers line player seemingly doomed minor league oblivion oilers coaching staff likens style john tonelli full time roster year biggest disappointment players oilers dumped lousy production year nicholls gilchrist tikkanen shayne corson mellanby andrew scott andrew idacom telecom division roman considered 
potvin goalie mask nntp posting host stpl ists organization solar terresterial physics laboratory ists distribution lines stephen legge slegge munc writes wtahcing guard hockey week yesterday feature masks goalies talked made made designs part interesting turns mask custom goalie face goalie puts face piece wood plastic hole face forehead show hair covered eyes covered plastic wrap type material vaseline goaltender face plaster spread cheeks forehead chin takes minutes sufficiently dries effectively mold goalie face basis mask rest involves padding inside hardening exterior fitting cage john blue bruins demonstrated procedure show exhibited couple masks working mask andy moog basic working current mask bear mask essensa cool jets logo chin fighter jets side forehead brushed back ground yeah essensa mask looked good talked held current leafs crest chin awesome black panther forehead mask felix potvin thought heard potvin money awesome dchhabra ists 
ncaa finals winner organization university virginia lines ktgeiss muohio writes lake state maine finals post maine 
year biggest worst opinion keywords awards organization university toronto chemistry department lines article smale uwaterloo bryan smale writes team biggest biggest team surprise disappointment boston bruins oates sweeney wesley buffalo sabres lafontaine mogilny audette jinx calgary flames roberts reichel petit chicago blackhawks roenick ruuttu goulet chelios chicago detroit wings yzerman chaisson kozlov edmonton oilers manson buchberger mellanby manson admission terrible year oilers team default craig mactavish shjon podein biggest surprise tikkanen biggest disappointment hartford whalers sanderson cassells corriveau angeles kings robitaille donnelly hrudey minnesota north stars modano tinordi expected back broten tinordi back season year plays montreal canadiens muller lebeau savard jersey devils stevens semak maclean york islanders turgeon king finally marois king great year year york rangers messier kovalev bourque kovalev surprise ottawa senators maciver baker jelinek philadelphia flyers lindros recchi fedyk galley eklund fence sitting philly record eric doubt soderstrom biggest surprise pittsburgh penguins lemieux tocchet jagr tocchet point season philly mike bullard center able mario quebec nordiques sakic ricci kovalenko pearson jose sharks kisio gaudreau maley louis blues shanahan joseph sutter joseph deserves tampa lightening bradley bradley creighton kasper toronto maple leafs gilmour potvin ellett anderson vancouver canucks bure nedved finally momesso washington capitals hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jets selanne selanne druce gerald 
doubters organization university tulsa lines article maynard laurentian roger maynard writes leafs make cream cheese philadelphia side tomorrow night leafs equal leafs team campbell conference cordially roger maynard maynard laurentian philadelphia making dust dead leafs roger continue embarass brash predictions whitewashed place team granted philly pretty decent team cambell conference beaten place team scott humphrey chemical engineering university tulsa utulsa bruins opinions expressed individual tulsa 
cherry coach corner summary april nntp posting host stpl ists organization solar terresterial physics laboratory ists distribution lines allan ualberta allan sullivan writes begin lambasting cherry sort cherry admittedly stuff lightly harmless saturday crossed lines good taste entire article perfect shots frank musil alpo suhonen noted musil player didn score goals year made names food laxitive meta musil tremendous amounts professionalism foolish letting nonsense making names makes asinine blanket statements european players resorted making names sounded idiot week teemu make rock sock video dropped gloves subject realignment division names league time conference division names mcfly names couple decades invited audience teams wales quick quick wrong show minutes stand show absolutely hilarious argument basketball baseball brawls fairly good neglected mention fines levelled case money objectivity question gretzky wouldn change friends game change game friends 
trade rumor montreal ottawa phillie lines organization memorial university john nfld canada sportsdesk reported ottawa reported montreal send players million including damphousse brian bellows phillidelphia phillie send eric lindros ottawa ottawa give round pick montreal true depend ottawa choose ottawa afford lindros salary personally philli giving lindros give quebec trade mention lindros huge draw phillie represents successful future franchise ottawa taking players montreal pick stephen legge slegge munc 
doubters organization cellar public access system lines jason mscs jason hanson writes article maynard leafs make cream cheese philadelphia side tomorrow night leafs equal mildly watched flyers demolish toronto night realized matter good leafs line decent lines playoffs healthy felix potvin thomas darling cellar public access system darling genie darling facthq truth technology 
good hockey hockey organization cellar public access system lines joseph dakes writes article stimpy null phys article mfoster backbo prefer miami colons headline flames blow colons kevin dineen play miami colons flyers resent making kevin dineen butt jokes moment digest humour thomas darling cellar public access system darling genie darling facthq truth technology 
year biggest worst opinion keywords awards nntp posting host gibson umanitoba organization university manitoba winnipeg manitoba canada lines article dscy writes smale uwaterloo bryan smale writes team biggest biggest team surprise disappointment washington capitals hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jets selanne selanne druce traded poetic justice washington patty bust rework trade minute druce complete utter bust goals daryl turner contact winnipeg jets internet umturne umanitoba fidonet route tkachuk zhamnov shoots scores jets jets essensa vezina housley norris calder 
flyers fans article usenet pqvti reply cwru michael cornell organization case western reserve university cleveland lines nntp posting host cwru notice people trouble comparitively easy task spelling nick fair city knew philadelphia phillie philli spoken clue spelled yeah drug induced trade rumor sniders stupid rumor mike keenan coming back coach flyers mike mike cornell great people country today cwru fault sane monty python flyers stanley brain hurts gumby 
adams division race article cbnewsh distribution organization lines article breton mcgill pierre breton writes adams division race interesting year important data mind eventuality standing position head head games quebec wins montreal boston leads quebec games remaining montreal boston tied game remaining pierre breton fluide glacial pierre purposes breaker count games city quebec possibly ahead montreal game counts remaining boston quebec means boston pete clark flyers contact 
canadiens stanley organization champlain regional college lambert canada lines kind team montreal easily problem steal show play massive teamwork slump long time hockey montreal canadiens announcer claude mouton died tuesday rough worked organization years excuse habs manage good teamwork spirit problem winning dean 
doubters article netlink organization netlink online communications diego lines blackhawks triumph walter ladwig weather cuckoo likes link armored division submissive drbombay vernacular world gambling birdhouse velocity 
canadiens stanley organization simon fraser university burnaby canada lines pereira dean pereira writes kind team montreal easily problem steal show play massive teamwork slump long time hockey montreal canadiens announcer claude mouton died tuesday rough worked organization years excuse habs manage good teamwork spirit problem winning agree good kick horrible loss capitals week yeech year richard rauser idea rauser worry professional outlaws living remember matter banzai 
europeans organization simon fraser university burnaby canada lines years number europeans roughly quarter season numbers euros teams escalated stats canadians americans europeans note numbers rounded players teams source vancouver point europeans sick watching game american canadian team wings canucks names bure konstantinov borshevshky north america toronto detriot quebec edmonton annoying numbers euros teams worse live vancouver hear word pavel bure russian rocket completely throw time canucks play hoping cross check bure plexiglasso hard carry stretcher canucks begin stretcher remark carried point resent owners drafting europeans canadians americans denies young canadians opportunity play north american league europeans hockey players hype european mystique sickening owners canadian american players continue fight harder drafted league numbers euros escalating problem worse creation european hockey league bures selannes world play continent mine richard rauser idea rauser worry professional outlaws living remember matter banzai 
lindros traded organization lindros traded summary babe lindros ottawa lines true rumor fact deal eric lindros ottawa senators senators mill montreal montreal alexander daigle round pick senators philly damphousse bellow patrick draft pick shadow node real transparent erased 
request islanders mail list article cbnewsl distribution organization lines article mcgill writes article wangr writes keeping islanders mail list advance ercu list count isles mcgill count excited islanders beat rangers overtime friday isles 
expansion originator news uoknor distribution nntp posting host midway uoknor organization university oklahoma norman lines article patrick owlnet rice patrick humphrey writes vamwendt upei michael wendt albany york boise idaho couple cities fair interest size closeness teams question albany franchise capital district label boise forget made attempt part country franchise great falls showed folks part interested hockey patrick montana magic played billings great falls expansion teams phoenix houston assuming whalers pack move meantime marc phoenix houston marc foster contact oklahoma city blazers central hockey university oklahoma geography department league adams internet mfoster uoknor champions mfoster backbone uoknor mailing list send email address 
trade rumor montreal ottawa phillie organization university toronto chemistry department lines article slegge writes sportsdesk reported ottawa reported montreal send players million including damphousse brian bellows phillidelphia phillie send eric lindros ottawa ottawa give round pick montreal reporter ottawa april fools joke started nordiques bruins reimburse flyers million paid nordiques senators lindros million flyers equivalent players include draft choices quebec back reporter real badly real good laugh sports media chosen publicize utter nonsense true depend ottawa choose ottawa afford lindros salary possibly true personally philli giving lindros give quebec trade mention lindros huge draw phillie represents successful future franchise ottawa taking players montreal pick giving crap remotest consideration gerald 
europeans article ramsey organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury lines rauser richard racist rauser writes kinds unacceptably racist drivel deleted find absolutely richard rauser dishonourable caustically roger maynard maynard laurentian 
europeans article aludra inng organization university southern california angeles lines nntp posting host aludra rauser richard john rauser writes stretcher remark carried point resent owners drafting europeans canadians americans denies young canadians opportunity play north american league europeans hockey players hype european mystique sickening owners canadian american players continue fight harder drafted league reasonable principle justice standing intimate geographical psychological relations league give privileged play european 
playoff predictions organization university saskatchewan lines distribution world reply coulman usask nntp posting host skorpio usask article jack petrilli jack petrilli writes stuff deleted understand people predicting upset pittsburgh team coming playoffs practically game wanted year including critical victories caps bruins team gaahden team peak stronger previous stanley winners lose large upset personally teams hard pressed games series pens pittsburgh agree heard tonight pick bruins year good time lots deleted randy randy coulman aries laboratory research assistant department computational science university saskatchewan coulman usask saskatoon 
good hockey hockey organization western kentucky university bowling green lines article darling thomas darling writes joseph dakes writes article stimpy null phys article mfoster backbo prefer miami colons headline flames blow colons kevin dineen play miami colons flyers resent making kevin dineen butt jokes moment digest humour thomas darling cellar public access system darling genie darling facthq truth technology problems thread origonal poster rectify misunderstanding lets caps 
canadiens stanley organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury lines rauser richard john rauser writes pereira dean pereira writes kind team montreal easily problem steal show play massive teamwork savard syndrome talking denis serge team squat likes denis savard lineup slump long time hockey montreal canadiens announcer claude mouton died tuesday rough worked organization years excuse habs manage good teamwork spirit problem winning savard stay home watch games agree good kick horrible loss capitals week yeech year sounds cordially roger maynard maynard laurentian 
trade rumor montreal ottawa phillie lines organization memorial university john nfld canada sportsdesk reported ottawa reported montreal send players million including damphousse brian bellows philldelphia phillie send eric lindros ottawa ottawa give round pick montreal personally philli giving lindros idiot posted gretzky trade toronto listen asshole commenting heard reported sports news notice skeptical comment sheesh thought group wasfor conversation guess wrong stephen legge slegge munc 
europeans nntp posting host cory berkeley organization university california berkeley lines article rauser richard john rauser writes years number europeans roughly quarter season numbers euros teams escalated stats canadians americans europeans point europeans sick absolutely round players european descent ship back start dunno lemieux hmm sounds french blood france part europe send euro blooded back sheesh creation european hockey league bures selannes world play continent mine hard find native americans native canadians matter dispute claim great continent anthropologists immigrants sort mogilny bure selanne improved understand game lyddy daniell berkeley university california berkeley play hockey brothers deion sanders 
good hockey hockey organization georgia institute technology lines prefer miami colons headline flames blow colons kevin dineen play miami colons flyers resent making kevin dineen butt jokes moment digest humour problems thread origonal poster rectify misunderstanding rectum skins question emotional music braves effect mike patton faith hornets capitals mike friedman hrivnak internet gatech 
european lines organization memorial university john nfld canada point europeans sick watching game american canadian team wings canucks names bure konstantinov borshevshky north america disagree feature hockey talent world nationality admit players gretzky messier traded canadian teams afford half canadian hockey league canadian players creation european hockey league bures selannes world play continent themon mine matter russian finnish mexican albertan yorker black white korean martian plutoneon matter leafs jersey puck stephen legge slegge munc 
good hockey hockey article null praf innj organization penn state null device department lines nntp posting host null phys article gatech hrivnak writes prefer miami colons headline flames blow colons kevin dineen play miami colons flyers resent making kevin dineen butt jokes moment digest humour problems thread origonal poster rectify misunderstanding rectum jokes draws crohns groans crowd bother appendix useless word advice miami game stay foods made natural casings hockey hockey hockey stimpson stimpy null phys nagy nagy nagy nagy shack yeah bitnet 
ncaa finals winner organization freshman physics carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply ktgeiss muohi writes lake state maine finals post maine lssu terry 
europeans euro bashing organization university buffalo lines news software vnews nntp posting host ubvmsc buffalo article rauser richard john rauser writes point europeans sick watching game american canadian team wings canucks names bure konstantinov borshevshky north america toronto detriot quebec edmonton annoying numbers euros teams worse live vancouver hear word pavel bure russian rocket completely throw time canucks play hoping cross check bure plexiglasso hard carry stretcher canucks begin stretcher remark carried point resent owners drafting europeans canadians americans denies young canadians opportunity play north american league europeans hockey players hype european mystique sickening owners canadian american players continue fight harder drafted league numbers euros escalating problem worse creation european hockey league bures selannes world play continent mine european player bashing french canadiens yeah idea french speaking canadiens hockey league crazy true international leagues europeans deserve play north americans teemu glad europeans hope expands europe nice people form hockey teams richard rauser idea rauser worry professional outlaws living remember matter banzai darryl brooks university buffalo bills sabres magic 
stan fischler summary devils pregame show prior hosting penguins nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall lines lester patrick awards lunch bill torrey mentioned options season president miami team clarke working dinner clarke worst mistake philadelphia letting mike keenan retrospect players realize keenan knew rumours circulating keenan back flyers nick polano sick scapegoat schedule made wings bryan murray approved gerry meehan john muckler worried sabres prospects assistant lever sabres share quebec dynasty emerging mighty ducks declared throw money loosely team oilers coach green remarked fill domi skates fill helmet senators andrew mcbain told security guard chicago stadium warned stairs leading locker room mcbain mouthed seasoned professional tumbled entire steep flight souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
hockey hell organization freshman mechanical engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply article rgemeinh purdue richard gemeinhart wrote article fmsalvat ncsu frank mich salvatore writes originally york state school north carolina constantly gripe lack hockey chose school south realize gripe clemson students hockey popular south carolina chose school excuse choose schools south hockey important luxury deciding college making hockey coveraage pittsburgh transplan home coveraage sucks sports south show final game stanley laast year happening ktape delay intermissions move good deal thaat complain transplanted parents greater hartford area greater cleveland ohio area action choice hockey coverage regularly wings penguins explaining part follow teams today cleveland couldn find hockey scores clock news figured sport parents move idaho things coverage football basketball baseball patty 
european russian hockey team addresses organization silicon graphics lines nntp posting host ralph originator addresses hockey teams located czech slovak republics finland russia sweden information find addresses appreciated assat brynas budejovice chelabinsk djurgarden dynamo eskulap espoo farjestad frolunda hifk ilves jihlava jokerit jokp kalpa khimik kladno kristall lada leksand litvinov lukko lulea malmo metallurg modo olomouc pardubice army rogle skoda slovan soviet wings sparta spartak tappara trencin tuto vantaa vasteras yaroslavl zlin france 
memoriam kelly danny gallivan organization university nevada reno department computer science distribution lines article dchhabra ists deepak chhabra writes article burke burke writes talking hockey broadcasters give moment silence remember louis blues great kelly heard late early hockey night canada intermissions recently deceased great danny gallivan canadiens loved kelly hooked hockey back spot play overly cute pipes lusty barrel chested voice pipsqueak unlike fellas rode hockey mania coattails gretzky boys finals islanders sweep forget night year oilers closed home pandemonium smoke million sparklers long empty goal kelly letting crowd reaction story long seconds voice barking dave lumley sews edmonton sounds stupid early hockey memory bring thrill grown jaded game saddened kelly passing good brian adams reno 
playoff predictions organization california polytechnic state university luis obispo lines article boudreau carol boudreau writes smythe toughest call personal bias calgary depends wins division winnipeg move season place winner clear advantage easier build momentum team kings plays kings round division hurts pick division winner vancouver canucks disagree vancouver bure continues goal scoring slump make round kings make round play pretty game minnesota saturday calgary angeles smythe conference finals wales conference trophy islanders bruins fight islanders steam overtake bruins campbell conference trophy walk vancouver definately stanley final islanders vancouver islanders left point succumb fairly easily canucks stanley champion vancouver canucks disagree pittsburg trick stanley cups too good hope enjoyed predictions hope correct calgary team pittsburg worth message terminal carol boudreau 
ncaa hockey final organization ford motor company lines distribution world reply peterson ford nntp posting host ford keywords college post honors maine beat lssu milwaukee saturday night game maine stormed lead looked maine goal inside thirty seconds game lssu back period lead lssu dominating play boards play quickly running holds barred type game lssu scored unanswered goals lead looked lssu walk game coach walsh maine replaced starting goalie dunham snow game michigan snow proved aggressive goalie period belonged team maine scored unanswered goals span minutes minute mark scored montgomery tournament assisted paul kariya minute game bears highlighting change snow proved difference minute lssu goalie pulled snow dueled lssu forward amazing moves snow great game year championships games sold year month bradley center holds approximately douglas peterson peterson ford safety laboratories department driven ford motor company 
europeans reply rauser message organization akademi university finland news reader news lines rauser writes years number europeans roughly quarter season numbers euros teams escalated stats canadians americans europeans note numbers rounded players teams source vancouver point europeans sick watching game american canadian team wings canucks names bure konstantinov borshevshky north america toronto detriot quebec edmonton annoying numbers euros teams worse expansion create jobs teams afford import role players europe pick stars continue build teams local players numbers euros escalating problem worse creation european hockey league bures selannes world play continent love european division happen time simply interest moment crucial markets germany italy france sweden finland afford shell tickets american canadian fans call minnesota north stars effect scandinavians love hockey prefer watch local inexpensive hockey national hockey league love idea european channels eurosport bring millions american networks mine richard rauser idea rauser worry professional outlaws living remember matter banzai 
year biggest worst opinion organization keywords awards lines article golchowy chem utoronto gerald olchowy writes article smale uwaterloo bryan smale writes team biggest biggest team surprise disappointment philadelphia flyers lindros recchi fedyk galley eklund fence sitting philly record eric doubt soderstrom biggest surprise eric true fortunately find recchi games soderstrom absolutely shutouts games rookie defense front runnerups galley fedyk scoring career galley thinks paul coffey puts scoring ahead defending fedyk tailed time eklund question mark year coming injuries points games recently huge factor wins eklund point game season career production typical qualify disappointment surprise choice roussel strictly expected players thought takes goalie biggest disappointment bill dineen thought perfect coach young team made moves imho cost games playoffs year coach thinks putting eric lindros point power plays bright idea back coaching school pete clark flyers contact mailing list owner 
flyers notes organization keywords flyers leafs summary leafs woofers lines flyers team beat team night showed spectrum sunday night dominated maple leafs route shutout tommy soderstrom credit shutout barely broke sweat period flyers defense leafs mounting attack injuries pelle eklund bruised thigh roster moves jason bowen added lineup game jason flyers pick round entry draft years games city americans goals assists plays left wing defense played defense game bobby taylor bill dineen planning front andre faust returned hershey left period kings game flew albany game tying goal bears played hershey sunday night lines fedyk lindros recchi beranek brind amour dineen lomakin butsayev conroy acton brown galley mcgill yushkevich cronin carkner hawgood bowen tommy soderstrom goal acton replaced lomakin period game summary flyers played night playoffs year flyers moved created scoring chance scoring chance snuffed leafs jason bowen made good play shift created goal puck left offensive circle taking shot found brind amour crashing side perfect pass good shot daren puppa body goal puppa made great save reading play garry galley gave maple leafs ranked power play chance hooked doug gilmour flyers lowly ranked penalty killing unit flawless entire game tone kill maple leafs long unscreened shots defense swept rebound power play flyers goal ugly play brind amour gave puck greg hawgood point drive puppa made save kicked rebound feet josef beranek rouse wrestling slot beranek able stick puck push dineen skating slot circle lifted backhander puppa flyers lead flyers pressure puppa leaf keeping flyers building lead eventually things settled defense prevailed team occasional scoring chance goalies strong bowen started giving lindros checks corners lindros avenge foligno gave thought chance score foligno lined center leaned rode center boards problem foligno boards mike mister mcgeough felt warranted boarding call leafs power play flyers aggressive change kill time running period recchi carried neutral zone handed lindros approached leaf blue line crowd wendell clark jamie macoun lindros backhand pass recchi feet macoun connected recchi clark checked recchi puck macoun clear weak mcgill manned point drove inside blue line macoun stick deflected past goalie shots flyers period flyers finally chance power play dave andreychuk tripped brind amour offensive zone power play flyers cheated puck popped eric gloved mcgeough thought stick head seats glove replay confirmed faceoff time running advantage lindros found galley pass goal mouth puppa made save rebound kicked back corner recchi picked passed eric crashing circle eric timed past puppa assist recchi moves past bobby clarke season season total flyer eric moves time flyers rookie scoring points mike eastwood conroy give flyers chance power play pressure garry galley ended power play slash happened leafs possession flyers smothered leafs short power play tempers flared bowen pearson roughing minors keith acton bloody face dave mcllwain dive greg hawgood hooking minor replay showed hawgood stick stopped making contact mcllwain long spun fell flyers smothered leafs power play dimitri yushkevich bowen made thundering pearson berehowski perplex sloowball puck point trickled pass slot made flyers silly stick gilmour side soderstrom stoned flyers picked things offensively kill home shots flyers flyers content goal lead period decided tommy wanted shutout work flyers scoring chances minutes period past puppa leafs tired lindros making road kill tempers flared doug gilmour lindros unsportsmanlike conduct glenn anderson mcgill roughing terry carkner kneeing penalty gilmour flyers smothered leafs power play minute mark dave andreychuk shot left circle soderstrom puck rolling side luck turned turning rolling quarter inevitably starts lean seconds brind amour tripped gilmour give leafs chance power play advantage soderstrom stoned andreychuk lying andreychuk rebound soderstrom straight swept defensemen pressure soderstrom equal preserved shutout recchi cross checked baumgartner tempers start brawl punches thrown recchi initial minor krushelnyski baumgartner lindros roughing minors rouse beranek expressed mutual dislike slashing mike eastwood shoved ryan mcgill flyers zone battling puck mcgill stick mcgill face flyers happy conroy paired berehowski started throwing punches upward held delight crowd couple punches head standing penalties eastwood cross check game clark carkner berehowski conroy fighting major penalty rest game flyers interest stting lead hawgood galley brind amour played catch hawgood found dineen left circle controlled puck blasted past puppa fireworks tommy soderstrom face shot puppa flyers board flyers shots flyers strongest game flyers star break shutout number soderstrom tied played fewer games belfour goalie remember tied winnipeg selannes tuesday night winnipeg flyers eliminated loss coupled islander night washington official flyers points season games year points games points games improve percentage points tragic number holds points games left tragic number points watched rangers blow period lead home lose finished points flyers breaker catch islanders breakers flyers rangers crumble stretch play devils pens flyers finish games caps guess place goal team focus flyers team record watch eric lindros goals assists points rookie records club record goals club record points eric lindros dave poulin brian propp brian propp flockhart flockhart dave poulin eric lindros bill barber pelle eklund mark recchi goals assists points club record goals club record points reggie leach bobby clarke kerr mark recchi kerr bobby clarke mark recchi bill barber rick macliesh bobby clarke bill barber rick macliesh reggie leach flyers career years player points prior season mark recchi penguins brind amour flyers garry galley kings brent fedyk wings pete clark flyers contact mailing list owner 
strange phenomens team leaders lines nntp posting host tele nokia organization nokia telecommunications article maynard laurentian roger maynard writes dchhabra ists deepak chhabra writes implicitly assuming goals scored winnipeg selanne blamed roger forward winnipeg lousy defensive record john cullen terrible excuse powerplay points count selanne comparing cullen salami valid winnipeg lousy defensive team hell salami stand team blueline puck thought comparing cullen teemu thought salami sort sausage dear roger able salami playing hockey surely quickly talking rubbish time true care leafs surely score refer comment finnish friends watched play claim play solid game style contribution conducive winning playing selanne grandstanding goal suck parades arms outstretched scoring goal messiah returned latest philly game leaf players parade philly crunched players score cordially roger maynard maynard laurentian cordially hannu jets teemu teppo tappara canadiens blackhawks 
trade rumor montreal ottawa phillie organization penn state university lines article sprach slegge sportsdesk reported ottawa reported montreal send players million including damphousse brian bellows phillidelphia phillie send eric lindros ottawa ottawa give round pick montreal true depend ottawa choose ottawa afford lindros salary personally philli giving lindros give quebec trade mention lindros huge draw phillie represents successful future franchise ottawa taking players montreal pick stephen legge slegge munc things trade deadline pass weeks flyers give lindros simple soderstrom roussel hell flyers pick older slumping group players trade team flyers mike rush marillion genesis king crimson dream theater beatles mike weintraub courageous convictions mweintr drag dream jedi cerf existence american university washington rush limbaugh philadelphia flyers vancouver canucks philadelphia phillies john runski 
year biggest worst opinion reply mtjensen organization niels bohr institute nordita copenhagen lines article smale uwaterloo bryan smale writes thinking teams mvps biggest surprises biggest disappointments year observations admittedly lacking opportunity teams amount valuable player team terms points terms leadership biggest surprise player rose expectation player raised level game height level necessarily warrant allstar berth includes players outset season team plans biggest disappointment player expected picked denis savard montreal emphasis offence brought demers savard team biggest biggest team surprise disappointment boston bruins oates sweeney wesley buffalo sabres lafontaine mogilny audette jinx calgary flames roberts reichel petit chicago blackhawks roenick ruuttu goulet detroit wings yzerman chaisson kozlov edmonton oilers manson buchberger mellanby hartford whalers sanderson cassells corriveau angeles kings robitaille donnelly hrudey minnesota north stars modano tinordi expected back broten montreal canadiens muller lebeau savard jersey devils stevens semak maclean york islanders turgeon king finally marois york rangers messier kovalev bourque ottawa senators maciver baker jelinek philadelphia flyers lindros recchi fedyk galley eklund pittsburgh penguins lemieux tocchet jagr quebec nordiques sakic ricci kovalenko pearson jose sharks kisio gaudreau maley louis blues shanahan joseph sutter tampa lightening bradley bradley creighton kasper toronto maple leafs gilmour potvin ellett anderson vancouver canucks bure nedved finally momesso washington capitals hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jets selanne selanne druce mentioned impressions opinions fans nearer teams words toronto newspaper bryan 
realignment organization university helsinki computing centre lines year reliable source dream years initially thought taking strong drugs realization begun league started move direction walt disney conference anaheim mighty chipmunks franchise changed kings hockey movie flames jose sharks diego bruins tijuana wings detroit hockey team follow industry dallas stars houston oilers texas rangers seattle canucks norm green conference alabama white hawks biloxi blues tampa lightning miami blades helsinki jets heard starting anthem montreal quebecois canada atlanta devils orlando penquins west islanders hartford whalers whalers move palm beach capitals anahaim team becomming real beginning rest message future turn believers abandond rinks expensive cool rinks subtropics locals roller skating hockey league create public interest game local supporteres play game back yards hope mind disney team anaheim stars moving 
swedes stats april organization ericsson telecom stockholm sweden lines nntp posting host uipc ericsson scoring stats swedish players april mats sundin watch points season kent nilsson calgary flames mats naslund montreal canadiens mats sundin quebec nordiques hakan loob calgary flames kent nilsson calgary flames kent nilsson calgary flames goals season hakan loob calgary flames kent nilsson calgary flames kent nilsson calgary flames tomas sandstrom kings mats naslund montreal canadiens mats sundin quebec nordiques assists season kent nilsson calgary flames mats naslund montreal canadiens borje salming toronto maple leafs mats sundin quebec nordiques kent nilsson calgary flames borje salming toronto maple leafs thomas steen winnipeg jets samuelsson watch penalty minutes season samuelsson pittsburgh penguins samuelsson pittsburgh penguins samuelsson pittsburgh penguins kjell samuelsson philadelphia flyers samuelsson hartford whalers samuelsson hartford whalers borje salming toronto maple leafs team born comment mats sundin dahlen thomas steen johan garpenlov fredrik olausson tomas sandstrom erik eklund injured calle johansson nicklas lidstrom tommy sjodin samuelsson mikael andersson michael nylander roger johansson erixon peter andersson kjell samuelsson tommy albelin djoos binghampton niclas andersson halifax thomas forslund salt lake patrik carnback injured patrik kjellberg fredericton rank week rank jersey number position born goals assists points points scored posted list goalie stats team born tommy soderstrom result shots saves games played minutes played goals goals average shots goal saves saving percentage shutouts assists staffan staffan axelsson etxonss ericsson contact swedish hockey 
spelling error stanley organization university virginia lines turgeo plymouth writes reading newspaper tidbit mentioned grammatical error stanley newspaper union leader manchester hampshire stated years york islanders printing actual stated york ilanders verify forgot exact year supposedly occured hard islander fans reason paper reliable call union leader randy plymouth state college turgeo plymouth speaking spelling errors pittsburgh made funny people spelling pittsburgh warren arbogast darden visual communications miles university virginia 
europeans nntp posting host euas ericsson nntp posting user euatno organization ellemtel telecom systems labs stockholm sweden lines rauser richard john rauser writes years number europeans roughly quarter season numbers euros teams escalated stats canadians americans europeans note numbers rounded players teams source vancouver point europeans sick watching game american canadian team wings canucks names bure konstantinov borshevshky north america toronto detriot quebec edmonton annoying numbers euros teams worse answer simple dislike russians live vancouver hear word pavel bure russian rocket completely throw time canucks play hoping cross check bure plexiglass hard carry stretcher canucks begin stretcher remark carried point resent owners drafting europeans canadians americans denies young canadians opportunity play north american league europeans hockey players hype european mystique sickening owners canadian american players continue fight harder drafted league numbers euros escalating problem worse canadian hockey today europeans dont european influence league game play days fights hockey imho canadian hockey positive curve development game brute beauty creation european hockey league bures selannes world play continent finns mine northamericans originates europe hmm kind rauser sound canadian analyzing teams italy france great britain find players canadians double citizenship richard rauser idea rauser worry professional outlaws living remember matter banzai tomas nopp ellemtel telecom systems labs email tomas nopp ericsson alvsjo snailmail 
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europeans article alchemy organization university toronto chemistry department lines article rauser richard john rauser writes years number europeans roughly quarter season numbers euros teams escalated stats canadians americans europeans note numbers rounded players teams source vancouver point europeans sick watching game american canadian team wings canucks names bure konstantinov borshevshky north america toronto detriot quebec edmonton annoying numbers euros teams worse canada borshevsky sounds canadian smith crawl back hole crawled care basketball players major league baseball give damn baseball players cuba canada imminent danger overtaken primary supplier players sweden finland czech republic slovakia small countries produce players greater rate producing potential influx soviet union severely blunted system raided starved finances decade recover real threat maintain slow increase canada continue supply hockey players world forseeable future european hockey market hockey rightful place soccer predominant world sports soccer essentially boring unlike hockey live vancouver hear word pavel bure russian rocket completely throw time canucks play hoping cross check bure plexiglasso hard carry stretcher canucks begin stretcher remark carried point resent owners drafting europeans canadians americans denies young canadians opportunity play north american league europeans hockey players hype european mystique sickening owners canadian american players continue fight harder drafted league numbers euros escalating problem worse canadians threat european numbers saturate time russia online world league teams stock jobs canadian hockey players team percentage canadians decline americans europeans creation european hockey league bures selannes world play continent mine crawl hole gerald 
europeans article alchemy organization university toronto chemistry department lines article daniell berkeley daniel lyddy writes absolutely round players european descent ship back start dunno lemieux hmm sounds french blood france part europe send euro blooded back americans study history french settled north america early british lemieux trace back north american heritage back gerald 
lindros traded article alchemy organization university toronto chemistry department lines article shadow node writes true rumor fact deal eric lindros ottawa senators senators mill montreal montreal alexander daigle round pick senators philly damphousse bellow patrick draft pick person incapable rational thought gerald 
europeans nntp posting host mach organization school computer science carnegie mellon lines article rauser richard john rauser writes years number europeans roughly quarter season numbers euros teams escalated stats canadians americans europeans xenophobic trash deleted creation european hockey league bures selannes world play continent mine extremes guess start packing native north american continent lori 
summary parse results games played april article jupiter organization university brunswick lines hartford rangers period hartford cunneyworth janssens greig rangers graves turcotte zubov period rangers kovalev turcotte graves hartford sanderson cassels rangers amonte andersson vanbiesbrouck period rangers messier amonte andersson hartford sanderson cassels hartford nylander ladouceur hartford verbeek zalapski hartford power play special goals total scorer cassels cunneyworth greig janssens ladouceur nylander sanderson verbeek zalapski rangers power play scorer amonte andersson graves kovalev messier turcotte vanbiesbrouck zubov 
nntp posting host elba organization progress software corp lines daveb east dave brewer writes yesterday fracus brent hughes camera angle punching hughes appeared punching game inches belt punched times dreadful poulin minutes watching playing hockey good long time players questionable tactics sunday time loser award thing repeatedly cross check back neck thing fist fight someones balls thrown league hole steve 
results games played organization keywords monday night boxscore lines results games played standings patrick adams norris smythe xpit ymon ydet yvan ybos ychi ycal yque ytor ybuf ywin clinched division title clinched playoff berth hartford whalers york rangers period cunneyworth janssens greig graves turcotte zubov period kovalev turcotte graves sanderson cassels amonte andersson vanbiesbrouck period messier amonte andersson sanderson cassels nylanders ladouceur verbeek zalapski powerplay opportunities whalers rangers shots goal whalers rangers hartford whalers gosselin shots saves york rangers vanbiesbrouck shots saves spike 
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europeans lines nntp posting host tele nokia organization nokia telecommunications article rauser richard john rauser writes point europeans sick watching game american canadian team wings canucks names bure konstantinov borshevshky north america toronto detriot quebec edmonton annoying numbers euros teams worse sick watching american names gretzky names accept sitting bull dances wolves north america jyri 
stay lines nntp posting host tele nokia organization nokia telecommunications mighty mightier finnish champions stronger heard news acquired finnish hockey superstar jere lehtinen kiekko espoo rumours erik kakko reipas marko jantunen kalpa traded players finnish olympic team jantunen drafted juha centre drafted jets year reached level finnish centres good playoff games hannu jets teemu teppo tappara canadiens blackhawks 
personal samuellsson organization worcester polytechnic institute lines distribution world nntp posting host lion dear possibly helpimontreal canadiens fans throwing knee check direction denis savard upcoming game montreal alot pete pete harper baby baby hesitate wait patchman lady knees harper love skid love 
division error jack nickalus tournament golf article reply turgeo plymouth randy turgeon organization plymouth state college plymouth lines playing golf game interesting happened hole drove ball fairway ball flight game completely froze couple seconds screen completely black error message large bubble letters division thought funny computer programmer error actual video game system sega nintendo atari intellevision years yeah message address hexadecimal forget exact code happened game randy turgeo plymouth 
observations article netnews distribution organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn lindros trade ottawa stupid lindros quebec traded lindros personal strike talk ottawa mgmt arranging trade xenophobe thankfully agreed publicly baseball supposed american pasttime damn latin americans playing deported american sarcasm taste roger agree hope sign things ranting lunatic talks leafs campbell rangers told happened patrick surprise anymore lied hell team washington earn shutout back home lose pitiful hartford absolute pinnacle mediocrity stand read goalie blame time beezer played pretty poorly smith talking calling corey hirsch binghamton pointing fingers team wanted prove washington patrick surprise yeah keith keller rangers quakers kkeller upenn league champs time head platter cmdr benjamin sisko 
hockey article virginia organization university virginia lines writes foul illegal contact player stick body stick game game player committed penalties require attention referee unsportsmanlike contact intentional foul inlcludes current flavours roughing fighting boarding thrown game fined technical foul mouthing player coach penalty shot awarded thrown game penalty shot technical team penalties period opposing team penalty shot additional period victim shots shooting foul ocured works reasons penalty shots exciting thing hockey player setting penalty shot network commercial finally penalties network announcers meredith dick vitale john madden summerall marv levy able viewers happened announcer creating scoring opportunity relationship free throws awarded number fouls easier score basketball opportunities basketball team scores points fifty chances made average number shots team hockey game total guess team lucky capitalize good ideas penalties player awarded penalty shot chance score interfered post talked boring game attended play stopped penalty shot rule time hockey game matt 
lemieux nhlpa thoughts organization crin inria lorraine lines nhlpa video game things names players real matter lacks logos playing november leading teams finals making scorers team compete scoring yesterday title toronto hartford games played playoffs games fashion minutes period scorer shooter gilmour shots remember iskander ayari email iskander ayari ayari 
year biggest worst opinion keywords awards article blue organization university pittsburgh lines article scairns writes surprise disappointment york rangers messier kovalev bourque gartner zubov bourque bourque penguin laugh head time thinks rangers loser scott cairns email scairns fusion systems group usmail broadway york york york standard disclaimers apply hope future americans thought warlike vicious people high schools pick americans mascot jack handey care phil pittsburgh score stats year worked butt speed created opportunities offensive zone allowed pens utilize potential paying attention year objecting injuries offense speed created opportunities score thought money offered rangers high pens guess joseph stiehm article scairns writes surprise disappointment york rangers messier kovalev bourque gartner zubov bourque bourque penguin laugh head time thinks rangers loser scott cairns email scairns fusion systems group usmail broadway york york york standard disclaimers apply hope future americans thought warlike vicious people high schools pick americans mascot jack handey care phil pittsburgh score stats year worked butt speed created opportunities offensive zone allowed pens utilize potential paying attention year objecting injuries offense speed created opportunities score thought money offered rangers high pens guess joseph stiehm 
europeans article alchemy organization university toronto chemistry department lines article snichols sherri nichols writes article golchowy chem utoronto gerald olchowy writes crawl back hole crawled care basketball players major league baseball doesn give damn baseball players cuba perfectly players cuba defect sort situation russian czech hockey players political situation countries changed major league baseball told blue jays expos sign oscar linares canada restrictions cubans major league teams told canadian teams unhappy expos blue jays cubans players defect play canada play home games expos blue jays trouble gerald 
year biggest worst opinion keywords awards article alchemy organization university toronto chemistry department lines article scairns writes messier joke year back withstanding play reason rangers golf couple weeks gartner choice works butt game kovalev surprise played adequately defensively kovalev talented player play roger nielson roger players skate straight lines dudley nielson coaches league talents mogilny kovalev turn bure selanne predicted preseason pull alex mogilny couple years surprise zubov expected make minors season owing number injuries proved pleasant surprise muckler coach kovalev mogilny trouble rangers neil smith players messier kovalev graves schooled taking game opponent attacking hiring coaches interested rope dope strategies roger nielsons world coach mark messier learn tricks loser waste draft picks players kovalev gerald gerald 
europeans article adobe organization adobe systems incorporated lines article golchowy chem utoronto gerald olchowy writes major league baseball told blue jays expos sign oscar linares linares defected pointed requires player defect canada restrictions cubans major league teams told canadian teams unhappy expos blue jays surprise long pool talent accessible teams teams sign perfectly reasonable cubans players defect play canada play home games expos blue jays trouble sherri nichols snichols 
lindros traded article lmsc organization lockheed missiles space company lines writes true rumor fact deal eric lindros ottawa senators senators mill montreal montreal alexander daigle round pick senators philly damphousse bellow patrick draft pick sheesh rumor mill strikes assume true question montreal give jose sharks pick daigle irvin 
hockey article netnews organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn article david beveren writes penalties fall classes penalties foul illegal contact player stick body stick game unsportsmanlike contact intentional foul inlcludes current flavours roughing fighting boarding thrown game fined technical foul mouthing player coach penalty shot awarded thrown game penalty shot technical team penalties period opposing team penalty shot additional period victim shots shooting foul ocured rule great rules complicated normal average able count fouls player remember names players order determine drew foul positions power center sits slot blue puck shooting defenseman point defenseman finally able stats worst penalty shot takers fouled able samuellson domi miss penalty shots crazy keith keller rangers quakers kkeller upenn league champs time head platter cmdr benjamin sisko 
year biggest worst opinion article abyss psqioinn distribution world organization sunsoft angeles lines nntp posting host newsreader assist assist coordination site writes article smale uwaterloo bryan smale writes biggest biggest suprise disappointment angeles kings robitaille donnelly hrudey chosen alex zhitnik biggest suprise expect great defenseman knew impressive rookie year speed skating ability puck control exceptional watch kings agree marty mcsorely warren rychel running close surprised people noted knickle biggest surprise personally rate biggest disappointment carson unfair expected biggest disappointment melrose adolescent handling goaltending problems putting hrudey bench month stupid contribute team coming slump surely robitaille 
stanley organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn article phoenix columbia lemer writes position names unable remember complicated hockey terminology centre middle left wing left wing defenceman back goaltender cage mother calls referee whistle linesman arms coach suit head puck black thing line line middle blue line line side crease place front faceoff circle round thing stand slot point point accompany term bench place penalty place bettman wrong sport stein charge names individual awards stuff president president trophy regular season team hart winner valuable player chosen middle left back typically middle left norris winner back awarded middle left nauseum keith keller rangers quakers kkeller upenn league champs time head platter cmdr benjamin sisko 
paul kuryia canadian world team apland organization malaspina college lines heard night paul kuryia playing canadian world hockey team year local radio station friend familty called congratulate invitation meekly paul told host wanted morning heard destined play line lindros recci unsure plays arena draft 
jets fans hrivnak tabaracci gatech hrivnak organization georgia institute technology lines article giant thundarr writes hrivnak tabarraci play prefer tyler larter happened answer hrivnak choice obvious skins question emotional music braves effect mike patton faith hornets capitals mike friedman hrivnak internet gatech 
jets fans hrivnak tabaracci article ncsu reply fmsalvat ncsu frank michae salvatore organization north carolina state university project lines originator fmsalvat ncsu hrivnak tabarraci play prefer tyler larter happened answer hrivnak choice obvious tabaracci play starts relief effort beaupre looked mighty sharp forget shutout goals periods play hrivnak give credit david poile change trade tabaracci starts isles tonight jinxed frank salvatore fmsalvat ncsu 
year biggest worst opinion keywords awards article access pstuo organization cadkey lines nntp posting host access digex bryan smale smale uwaterloo writes thinking teams mvps biggest surprises biggest disappointments year team biggest biggest team surprise disappointment hartford whalers sanderson cassells corriveau votes fwiw team verbeek fans goal mouth feeds goals terrible start examplary team captain tough couple seasons honorable mention nick kypreos mark janssens unsung heroes category kypreos goals hardest working player team janssens underrated defensive center checker guess place greater emphasis hard work skill determining biggest surprise geoff sanderson goals points season center moved left wing goals points whaler record power play goals coming wing faceoff circle garden spot honorable mention andrew cassels terry yake kiddie quartet sanderson poulin nylander petrovicky attracting attention cassels score close points season nicely assumed role number center team works sanderson yake bounced minors number seasons goals points season yake sanderson started performing offensively converted center wing lefty sanderson left wing righty yake side biggest disappointment hands john cullen cullen disasterous point season year full season trade cullen started season summer back surgery fell flat face spent whaler career flat whining cullen scored point games clubhouse malcontent commanded powerplay success percentage sanderson sulked town worst year contract years left give round draft pick maple leafs offered hartford honorable mention steve konroyd subpar signing year contract eric weinrich showed flashes competence played poorly mckenzie hockey player seasons frank pietrangelo play sean burke extended period make number starts real live hartford whalers season ticket holder steveg 
maple leafs update lines leaf fans concerned players slated return thursday winnipeg toronto game peter zezel john cullen mark osborne dave ellett questionable return thursday regular players injured including dimitri mironov back saturday home game flyers 
crash newsreader organization lockheed missiles space company lines sheet fails crash newsreader avoid crashing restarting machine headers avoid reading problems reading irvin season merciful 
testing organization university tennessee computing center testing distribution lines 
canadiens stanley nntp posting host bcarm organization bell northern research lines article maynard laurentian roger maynard wrote rauser richard john rauser writes pereira dean pereira writes kind team montreal easily problem steal show play massive teamwork savard syndrome talking denis serge team squat likes denis savard lineup savard stay home watch games life simple savard played games playing crap montreal problems deeper savard mouton hope playoffs line game coming pittsburgh playoffs hope forget nice weather play hockey paul valin bell northern research email pavalin station ottawa ontario canada opinions 
europeans nntp posting host gibson umanitoba organization university manitoba winnipeg manitoba canada lines article rauser richard john rauser writes point europeans sick watching game american canadian team wings canucks names bure konstantinov borshevshky north america toronto detriot quebec edmonton annoying numbers euros teams worse winnipeg tops list regulars european live vancouver hear word pavel bure russian rocket completely throw time canucks play hoping cross check bure plexiglasso hard carry stretcher canucks begin bure knocked silly game stretcher remark carried point resent owners drafting europeans canadians americans denies young canadians opportunity play north american league europeans hockey players hype european mystique sickening owners canadian american players continue fight harder drafted league cases owners give general managers order draft find players team stanley player kindersley saskatchewan chelyabinsk russia believes player drafting calling league referring canadian players belong belongs owners owners canadian content rule enforcable canada doubt enforcable football reference push import ratio rule sacromento goldminers increasing competition elite positions cases make players yeah europeans play lower levels professional hockey north america play team primary farm club hear europeans playing echl secondary farm teams jets russian players moncton europeans wayne teams plenty positions hockey players north america numbers euros escalating problem worse creation european hockey league bures selannes world play continent mine favour league premier players world grown europeans playing team players world hedberg nilsson sjoberg zhamnov olausson daryl turner contact winnipeg jets internet umturne umanitoba fidonet route tkachuk zhamnov shoots scores jets jets essensa vezina housley norris calder 
europeans reply golchowy chem utoronto message lines nntp posting host hpcobr organization nazi wing parenting monthly dunno lemieux hmm sounds french blood france part europe send euro blooded back americans study history french settled north america early british lemieux trace back north american heritage back canadians understand sarcasm reader decide reading ludicrous opposite kinda toronto posts yeah cows geez gerald reading flamefest hockey pens great quebec patrick 
europeans organization adobe systems incorporated lines article golchowy chem utoronto gerald olchowy writes crawl back hole crawled care basketball players major league baseball doesn give damn baseball players cuba perfectly players cuba defect sort situation russian czech hockey players political situation countries changed sherri nichols snichols 
stay nntp posting host gibson umanitoba organization university manitoba winnipeg manitoba canada lines article hahietanen tele nokia writes mighty mightier finnish champions stronger juha centre drafted jets year reached level finnish centres good playoff games draft choice jets assuming played kiekko espoo round pick jets entry draft noticed summaries begun play playoffs daryl turner contact winnipeg jets internet umturne umanitoba fidonet route tkachuk zhamnov shoots scores jets jets essensa vezina housley norris calder 
europeans reply lisa anderson organization lincoln laboratory lines article golchowy chem utoronto gerald olchowy writes article daniell berkeley daniel lyddy writes absolutely round players european descent ship back start dunno lemieux hmm sounds french blood france part europe send euro blooded back americans study history french settled north america early british lemieux trace back north american heritage back gerald gerald joking lisa 
europeans reply carleton marc gregoire organization national capital freenet lines wrote love european division happen time simply interest moment crucial markets germany italy france sweden finland afford shell tickets american canadian fans call minnesota north stars effect scandinavians love hockey prefer watch local inexpensive hockey national hockey league love idea european channels eurosport bring millions american networks brings question asked answer mentionned expand europe north americans playing play team europe majority hockey players necessarily interested expanding cultural experience level hockey player recalls players remarks years makes european expansion achieved remember lindros play quebec reasons nicholls edmonton courtnall wanted traded lemieux refuse edmonton earlier year cultural reasons american players played expos complained french fact city cities players wife make point complain find favorite brand nacho chips montreal happened football players moved london spain year football league years players association thinks europe european teams marc 
hockey organization sunsoft angeles lines nntp posting host newsreader ethan evans writes penalties changed roughing chauvanistic males aggressive slashing chauvanistic males venting frustration fighting proof males cope feelings penalties fall classes penalties foul illegal contact player stick body stick game unsportsmanlike contact intentional foul inlcludes current flavours roughing fighting boarding thrown game fined technical foul mouthing player coach penalty shot awarded thrown game penalty shot technical team penalties period opposing team penalty shot additional period victim shots shooting foul ocured works reasons penalty shots exciting thing hockey player setting penalty shot network commercial finally penalties network announcers meredith dick vitale john madden summerall marv levy able viewers happened announcer rule goal scored times period play resume announcer announces network sneak commercials announcer told scored announcer viewer chance pronouncing basketball game week time life amazed boring play slow fans things free throw shooting contests period laker routines times game periods whistle seconds average game minutes minutes quarters minute halftime takes hours reason plenty room throw commercials announcer jabber happening basketball fairly entertaining imho watch road 
europeans riel william riel organization university british columbia vancouver canada nntp posting host unixg lines long cherry student arche bunker racist drivel embarassment canadians bill 
stay nntp posting host vipunen organization helsinki university technology finland lines hahietanen tele nokia writes juha centre drafted jets year reached level finnish centres good playoff games juha center rauli raitanen drafted jets raitanen good year played finnish nationalteam finns year matikainen head coach elects team hannu tommi 
usenet playoff pool nntp posting host harris newsreader organization harris melbourne lines previous request rules instructions usenet playoff pool responce info post mail advance phil barone internet pbarone harris harris corporation gisd cape canaveral 
doubters article lmarsha organization wayne state university detroit lines nntp posting host wayne article maynard laurentian roger maynard writes decide team standings team campbell conference record toronto true stats chicago good record toronto interesting list toronto ahead chicago laurie marshall wayne state university detroit michigan wings 
miami article hydra organization georgia institute technology lines article tinker muskingum writes miami franchise team announce curious south florida colons skins question emotional music braves effect mike patton faith hornets capitals mike friedman hrivnak internet gatech 
testing organization university tennessee computing center distribution lines testing flames 
europeans article news reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall lines nntp posting host cunixb columbia sick white skates vancouver canucks half women oriental gladly volunteer overage draft souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
sport hockey frequently asked questions organization university washington lines expires reply hamlet washington nntp posting host stein washington archive hockey sport hockey answers frequently asked questions news contents info minor leagues college hockey north america leagues europe canada tournament mail files usenet hockey pool coming dates answers frequently asked questions miscellaneous send comments suggestions criticisms list mail hamlet washington info section describe additions post decide worth reading paragraphs information preceded asterisks anaheim contact winnipeg affiliate moncton milwaukee contact broadcaster year named rheaume start cyclones diego sets record ticket info included ncaa division championships world championship pool results listed sweden hockey games final standings listed swedish elite league final standings listed olypmic hockey mailing list montreal mailing list address national hockey league detailed information team tickets merchandise watch games town send mail contact team team season cups contacts anaheim mighty ducks kris myers kris assist boston bruins buffalo sabres jeff horvath jhorvath wisc calgary flames caldwell chicago blackhawks john scholvin scholvin acns detroit wings sglenn edmonton oilers andrew scott andrew hartford whalers matthew olsen dmolsen angeles kings stan willis willis dnet minnesota north stars mitch mcgowan hamlet washington montreal canadiens jersey devils york islanders mark anania ananim york rangers paul romano romano bellcore ottawa senators scott simpson simpson philadelphia flyers pete clark seth pittsburgh penguins lori iannamico thomas sullivan quebec nordiques louis blues joseph achkar wustl jose sharks nelson claudius stanford south florida tampa lightning wilson wilson toronto maple leafs darryl gamble darryl yorku vancouver canucks alan chim chim washington capitals david david winnipeg jets umturne umanitoba adams norris patrick smythe calgary atlanta flames detroit detroit cougars detroit falcons edmonton alberta oilers edmonton oilers hartford england whalers minnesota cleveland barons merged minnesota season jersey kansas city scouts colorado rockies quebec quebec nordiques toronto toronto arenas toronto patricks winnipeg winnipeg jets teams mailing lists section addresses boston buffalo angeles montreal philadelphia pittsburgh louis jose tampa vancouver washington schedule schedule april season begin playoffs begin regular season games played cities season cities milwaukee sacramento cleveland indianapolis phoenix miami oklahoma city dallas atlanta cincinnati providence peoria hamilton saskatoon halifax chart showing number games teams games valerie hammerl posted year version schedule program games users find games played date find games played team copy obtained mailing neutral site schedule calgary minnesota saskatoon ottawa toronto hamilton chicago washington indianapolis toronto quebec hamilton buffalo jersey hamilton angeles chicago milwaukee montreal angeles phoenix tampa york rangers miami edmonton york islanders oklahoma city york islanders louis dallas jose montreal sacramento hartford winnipeg saskatoon boston pittsburgh atlanta louis hartford peoria philadelphia calgary cincinnati quebec tampa halifax york rangers jose sacramento detroit philadelphia cleveland winnipeg ottawa saskatoon vancouver buffalo hamilton minnesota vancouver saskatoon washington detroit milwaukee jersey boston providence pittsburgh edmonton cleveland location subject change playoff schedule wales conference division semifinals april campbell conference division semifinals april wales conference division finals campbell conference division finals wales conference final campbell conference final stanley final june neccessary news scores spike bryan strouse posts weekday news scores sunday thursday john curcio posts weekend news scores maintain mail lists faster delivery contacts post team news hear read notable team news transactions announcements note information culled press releases posts updated month information discussion continuing importance interest listed postings boston bruins boston legislators developers proposing boston garden finally agreed deal puts seat million project back track finished september wing daniel marois sidelined indefinitely surgery repair herniated disc back defenseman glen murray providence american hockey league buffalo sabres puck acquired left winger errey pittsburgh defenseman mike ramsey veteran buffalo sabres broadcaster darling inducted club hall fame sunday april darling joined expansion sabres team play play announcer television radio illness forced booth season recalled forwards viktor gordiouk doug macdonald rochester american hockey league calgary flames acquired veteran wing greg paslawski philadelphia future considerations recalled center todd harkins left winger tomas forslund salt lake city international hockey league chicago blackhawks million privately financed united center scheduled open august home chicago bulls chicago blackhawks stadium owned entities controlled teams owners apparently made decision chicago stadium razed parking space facility located directly street opens suspended defenseman craig muni indefinitely failing report trade edmonton detroit wings acquired defenseman steve konroyd hartford sixth round draft pick announced signing wing frederick pick national hockey league entry draft contrite hockey fans returned stolen michigan sports hall fame plaque honoring detroit wing great gordie howe bronze plaque stolen years cobo hall detroit site michigan hall fame edmonton oilers forward tikkanen york rangers center doug weight traded defenseman craig muni chicago forward mike hudson commissioner gary bettman edmonton oilers lease northlands coliseum improved team survive city edmonton northlands profit agency city administer exhibition facilities including coliseum oilers owner peter pocklington calls lease northlands horrendous threatened move team deal makes money parking concessions building advertising seat coliseum lucrative private boxes produce significant revenues owners announced center kevin todd surgery miss remainder season separated shoulder hartford whalers defenseman steve konroyd detroit sixth round draft pick acquired left winger robert kron round draft pick vancouver left winger murray craven round draft pick state connecticut begin negotiations civic center city effort financially struggling hartford whalers franchise city angeles kings center john mcintyre york rangers defenseman mark hardy ottawa round draft pick minnesota north stars calling calling canada dallas city council approved agreement minnesota north stars bring club reunion arena season defenseman mark tinordi captain north stars sidelined rest season including postseason games north stars play broken collarbone acquired defenseman mark osiecki winnipeg ninth round draft picks added defenseman travis richards university minnesota employee filed sexual harassment suit minnesota north star owner norman green karen kari dziedzic green executive assistant claims green instructed wear cosmetics outfits sexy slapped hand humiliated grabbing hand rubbing client hair minnesota north stars move dallas season announced season ticket reservations made home reunion arena capacity center commission told minnesota north stars club keys returned midnight home game club moving dallas season club unpaid interest team late rent payment made earlier month instructed property scoreboard zamboni surfacing machine derian hatcher game misconduct penalty rescinded allowing minnesota defenseman play north stars regular season games hatcher penalty fight loss louis sunday april league rescind game misconduct penalty shane churla received stars recalled center mcgowan minor league club kalamazoo mich replace churla montreal canadiens acquired defenseman ramage tampa minor league defensemen eric charron alain cote future considerations jersey devils bernie nicholls publicly apologized criticism referee denis morel devils loss buffalo sabres nicholls ejected morel fight late period game afterward nicholls called morel homer embarrassment referee association york islanders traded wing daniel marois boston conditional draft choice york rangers obtained forward tikkanen edmonton center doug weight acquired left winger mike hartman tampa acquired center john mcintyre angeles defenseman mark hardy ottawa round draft pick defenseman brian leetch undergo additional surgery ankle broke skating fall expected play season leetch suffered broken ankle march victory jose team slipped patch pavement taxi front apartment announced defenseman james patrick require surgery herniated disc back play season returned goaltender corey hirsch binghamton american hockey league ottawa senators ottawa senators received ahead build seat palladium proposed location nearby kanata projected cost million construction postponed season year schedule ottawa senators lost consecutive road game washington capitals road losses assigned left wing martin amour haven american hockey league philadelphia flyers opening date spectrum pushed back fall formal groundbreaking postponed indefinitely traded veteran wing greg paslawski calgary flames future considerations pittsburgh penguins traded left winger errey buffalo defenseman mike ramsey reacquired defenseman peter taglianetti tampa lightning round draft choice revolutionary comics diego agreed destroy copies mario lemieux comic book settlement pittsburgh penguins trademark infringement lawsuit penguins sued february charging sport stars mario lemieux comic infringed team logo uniform registered trademarks quebec nordiques louis blues louis blues center sutter miss rest season result separating shoulder jose sharks jose sharks announced ticket prices increase season move palace million arena jose recalled defenseman pederson kansas city international hockey league reached agreement principle left wing alexander cherbayev tampa lightning investor groups poised build sports arena downtown tampa delay plagued company holds lease tampa lightning bows tampa coliseum lease national hockey league team develop entertainment sports arena tampa stadium unable raise money project left winger mike hartman york rangers center randy gilhen defenseman peter taglianetti pittsburgh round draft choice defenseman ramage montreal canadiens minor league defensemen eric charron alain cote future considerations manon rheaume starting appearance goal atlanta knights impressive coach chance backup goalie minor league team season rheaume female play professional hockey stopped shots gave goals cincinnati cyclones saturday night april game coach gene ubriaco rheaume performed compete goalie spot louisville icehawks east coast hockey league season knights icehawks minor league clubs tampa lightning season close rumors swirling tampa lightning atlanta lightning minnesota lightning rumors lightning general manager phil esposito espn reported sunday april lightning playing seat expo hall exploring opportunities move atlanta minneapolis esposito truth report disappointed espn irresponsible comment esposito substance rumor rumors swirling past years move tampa presently discussing plans build arena toronto maple leafs defenseman matt martin helped maine ncaa hockey championship gave final year eligibility signed contract toronto maple leafs vancouver canucks vancouver canucks cleared hurdle effort build stadium vancouver council green light million dollar complex seat thousand people adjoining office tower built viaducts place vancouver site preparation begin summer completion date fall traded left winger robert kron round draft pick hartford left winger murray craven round draft pick obtained defenseman ratushny winnipeg ninth round draft pick signed wing brian loney multi year contract assigned hamilton american hockey league washington capitals caps traded goaltender hrivnak future considerations winnipeg goaltender rick tabaracci winnipeg jets winnipeg jets allowed economic assistance order smythe division result expansion defenseman mark osiecki minnesota ninth round draft picks goaltender rick tabaracci washington hrivnak future considerations defenseman ratushny vancouver ninth round draft pick winnipeg teemu selanne broke rookie points record jets rookie tied record points peter stastny quebec goal season moved ahead assist loss toronto fort wayne komets told winnipeg jets minor league affiliation moncton american hockey league reports jets move players moncton fort wayne season expansion news national hockey league announced expansion anaheim south florida franchises join league season disney national hockey league officials announced monday march mighty ducks anaheim disney expansion team fall michael eisner chairman chief executive officer walt disney mighty ducks play pond anaheim sports arena disney flagship theme park arena construction completed june pond seats team meet league requirement sell season tickets final grant membership anaheim named jack ferreira general manager pierre gauthier assistant general manager veteran scout godfrey hired midwest regional scout anaheim mighty ducks philadelphia flyers senior vice president bobby clarke named monday march post general manager miami expansion team franchise owner wayne huizenga made announcement miami arena months awarded franchise huizenga plans team time beginning season october realignment eastern conference atlantic division washington capitals jersey devils york islanders york rangers philadelphia flyers south florida tampa lightning northeast division boston bruins buffalo sabres hartford whalers montreal canadiens ottawa senators pittsburgh penguins quebec nordiques western conference central division chicago blackhawks dallas stars detroit wings louis blues toronto maple leafs winnipeg jets pacific division anaheim mighty ducks calgary flames edmonton oilers angeles kings jose sharks vancouver canucks schedule eastern conference teams play games divisional opponents games teams conference division games western conference members western conference teams play games divisional opponents games teams conference division games eastern conference clubs playoffs system conference based team meeting team round matchups based points division champions place seeds conference assured home playoff rounds series rotation matchups central pacific teams series rotate reduce travel cases team regular season points choose start series home draft news terms expansion draft held june existing clubs allowed protect goaltender defensemen forwards recent expansion drafts allowed teams protect goalies make distinction forwards defensemen year pros exempt draft year exemption teams season jose tampa ottawa allowed exempt year pros teams lose players maximum loss goaltender maximum loss defenseman exception team loses goaltender longer lose defenseman phase draft franchises goaltenders defensemen forwards total players phase conducted jose tampa ottawa select players rosters teams ottawa tampa jose guaranteed priority drafting selection draft long worst records anaheim miami choose lower fourth expansion franchises move draft jose tampa ottawa finish bottom positions teams pick entry draft finish teams play season priority drafting position owners announced draft hartford draft winnipeg draft scheduled boston delay construction arena required draft moved league news disputes owners players resolved differences salary arbitration procedures clearing hearings nhlpa executive director goodenow disclose issues resolved prior sticking point manner statistics arbitration hearings olympics announced february make professional players compete winter olympics league leadership angeles kings owner bruce mcnall succeeded blackhawks owner bill wirtz chairman powerful board governors appointed join mcnall executive committee corey montreal canadiens mike ilitch detroit wings peter pocklington edmonton oilers snider philadelphia flyers gary bettman vice president general counsel national basketball association named commissioner national hockey league friday december miscellaneous henri richard bernie parent billy smith named special ambassadors stanley centennial season long celebration championship trophy trio league wide function star game stanley playoffs national hockey league named john turner prime minister canada serve board directors hockey hall fame museum nominated scotty morrison david taylor larry bertuzzi robert bundy walter bush murray costello gregory leslie kaplan lawrence meyer alan tonks serve board takes office march president stein individuals elected hockey hall fame builder category buffalo sabres chairman board president seymour knox vancouver canucks chairman frank griffiths veteran canadian hockey executive fred page linesman john amico selected hall fame referee linesman category games carried canada espn check local listings national hockey league struck conditional year deal espn televise professional hockey season series agreements grants espn exclusive national coverage starting season cable network option extend term domestic agreement years deal grants espn exclusive international television distribution excluding canada years league contract calls espn televise regular season games domestic audience coming season playoff games including entire stanley final majority espn regular season games televised friday nights commissioner gary bettman announced wednesday march sports televise stanley playoff games starting month carry playoff games network arrangement espn rightsholder games espn provide production games owns espn april wales conference game quarterfinals april campbell conference game quarterfinals wales conference game semifinals campbell conference game semifinals wales conference game finals award winners star teams hall fame inductees draft picks award winners hart trophy mark messier vezina trophy goalie patrick norris trophy defenseman brian leetch calder trophy rookie pavel bure selke trophy defensive forward carbonneau lady byng trophy sportsmanship wayne gretzky jack adams award coach quinn bill masterton memorial trophy perseverance mark fitzpatrick king clancy trophy contribution community bourque jennings trophy lowest team patrick ross trophy scoring points mario lemieux hall famer players frank boucher dutton executives bruce mcnall stein thursday named winners lester patrick award outstanding service hockey united states award selected year committee representing wide cross section hockey community star team patrick bourque brian leetch mark messier brett hull kevin stevens star game starters voted fans wales conference mario lemieux pittsburgh jaromir jagr pittsburgh kevin stevens pittsburgh bourque boston brian leetch rangers patrick montreal campbell conference steve yzerman detroit brett hull louis pavel bure vancouver chris chelios chicago paul coffey angeles belfour chicago rookie team gilbert dionne tony amonte kevin todd vladimir konstantinov nicklas lidstrom dominik hasek hall fame inductees marcel dionne gainey lanny mcdonald woody dumart round entry draft player team roman hamrlik alexei yashin mike rathje todd warriner darius kasparaitis cory stillman ryan sittler brandon convery robert petrovicky andrei nazarov david cooper sergei krivokrasov hulbig sergei gonchar jason bowen dmitri kvartalnov sergei bautin jason smith martin straka david wilkie libor polasek curtis bowen grant marshall peter ferraro rules game ejection instigating fight helmets optional grabbing opponent stick defensive move penalty diving draw penalty penalty coincidental minors teams full strength result play high sticking waist ratified nhlpa term september september licensing endorsements players exclusive rights individual personality including likenesses salary arbitration rules negotiated salary arbitrators jointly agreed free agency compensation scale reduced players group free agent reduced player completed professional seasons minor year contract earn average salary elect career unrestricted free agent contract salary awards players playoff fund increased minimum salary insurance disability coverage dental broad based medical improvements increase life insurance players coverage wives pension improved pension contributions player year depending player number games agreement language guarantee continuation security plan negotiated regular season increased games games played neutral sites arrangements revenues shared rosters skaters goaltenders entry draft reduced rounds supplemental draft selection playoff team joint study group examine financial state issue report assist preparing negotiations free agency categories effective group players aged player choice player equalization draft pick compensation compensation club match offer club equalization club match offer equalization consist players draft picks cash agreed clubs submitted arbitration group players aged player choice player equalization draft pick compensation equalization club match offer compensation schedule round pick player signs year round picks player signs million year extra round pick additional year group players aged club compensation match offer receive match club make qualifying offer player salary prior season group players considered defected free agents group player years experience salary average choose free agent compensation career minor leagues minor leagues international hockey league american hockey league east coast hockey league information central hockey league american hockey association found section contacts springall atlanta knights scott clarkson cincinnati cyclones joseph combs cleveland lumberjacks gasser wayne komets gasser milwaukee admirals jason hanson salt lake golden eagles roland behunin international hockey league granted franchise vegas group headed henry stickney season international hockey league named chase voice fort wayne komets league broadcaster year annual award effective year named chase honor honored loria kansas city blades marketing director year shelly gartner phoenix roadrunners merchandise manager year steve doherty kalamazoo wings public relations director year atlanta knights international hockey league announced thursday april manon rheaume starting goaltender home game saturday night april cincinnati cyclones rheaume female start regular season professional hockey game fort wayne announced winger scott gruhl retire international hockey league season gruhl join muskegon fury colonial league fort wayne komets told winnipeg jets minor league affiliation moncton american hockey league reports jets move players moncton fort wayne season diego gulls international hockey league record victory salt lake golden eagles gulls team professional hockey games season montreal canadiens games turner kansas city blades defeated muskegon lumberjacks 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union vermont yale ecac eastern college athletic conference women brown colby cornell dartmouth harvard hampshire northeastern princeton providence rochester institute technology lawrence yale eastern collegiate athletic conference unveiled nation intercollegiate women hockey league announced teams begin play season finishers ecac women hockey league qualify post season tournament league replaces informal team conference division division schools held respective division tournaments regular season ecac discontinue division women tournament season hockey east boston college boston university umass lowell maine merrimack hampshire northeastern providence wcha western collegiate hockey association colorado college denver michigan tech minnesota minnesota duluth north dakota northern michigan cloud wisconsin alaska anchorage joined wcha full fledged member independents force alabama huntsville alaska anchorage alaska fairbanks army canadian intercollegiate athletic union ciau championships finalists team division university alberta golden bears west university guelph gryphons ontario west university toronto varsity blues ontario east university acadia axemen east semi finals acadia alberta toronto guelph finals acadia toronto hockey leagues world championships czechoslovakia sweden defeated finland gold medal match czechoslovakia defeated switzerland bronze medal match final standings round robin group group finland russia germany czech switz sweden canada italy norway poland france austria replace poland pool germany world championships pool scheduled munich germany world championships pool eindhoven netherlands great britain poland netherlands denmark japan romania china bulgaria great britain advances pool bulgaria relegated pool olympic games mail lists charlie slavin maintains olympuck olympic hockey discussion list send mail body subscribe olympuck favorite country gold canada silver czechoslovakia bronze defeated yale hockey coach taylor named coach olympic team dany dube uqtr patriotes ciau renney kamloops blazers coaches canada national program nagano winter olympic organizing committee approved addition women hockey curling list official medal events games decision organizing committee meeting accord reached nagano committee coordination committee decision formally ratified executive board meeting international olympic committee session result number total events nagano increase sports canada team canada defeated team games izvestia hockey tournament final russia czechoslovakia game place russia sweden game place finland switzerland game place canada germany final standings izvestia russia russian olympic team czechoslovakia russia sweden finland switzerland canada germany germany russia defeated team canada team germany time russian team coached time legendary boris michailov assured winner check czechoslovakia soviet union commonwealth independent states captured tournament viktor tikhonov spengler canada fabian joseph scoring goal game overtime beat farjestad sweden final spengler davos switzerland canadians overcame goal deficit final minutes regulation earn overtime victory hours final team canada farjestad sweden european finals duesseldorf december bronze jokerit helsinki lions milano gold malmoe dynamo moscow shootout successive european championship swedish team champion djurgaarden stockholm sweden hockey games final standings sweden czech republic russia canada sweden wins head head result czech republic junior leagues contact randy coulman mitch mcgowan site memorial tournament chosen staged ontario exact location determined spring march regular season division champions ontario hockey league meet series start playoff season winner series earns host memorial traditionally held eventual champion participate tourney league champs happen club hosting memorial league finalists advance charles poulin draft hyacinthe qmjhl canadian hockey league player year memorial seattle round robin standings sault marie greyhounds kamloops blazers seattle thunderbirds host verdun college francais qmjhl semifinal kamloops seattle final kamloops sault marie central hockey league contact marc foster wollnik section newsletter information fort worth fire wichita thunder dallas freeze tulsa oilers memphis river kings oklahoma city blazers affiliated teams play game schedule extending early november march team owned league local interests controlling operations team salary total players dress unlike echl players limited years league western division added central hockey league season plans president miron materialize miron confirmed paso amarillo tuscon albuquerque cities consideration western division play interlocking games eastern division antonio houston close confirmed league newest members major league hockey hockey league franchises united states canada begin play fallof officials announced wednesday february major league hockey founded president york islanders national hockey league york jersey nets 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counsel league chief legal officer september york resident bettman graduated cornell university york university school professional hockey leagues north america national american international east coast central colonial hockey leagues miscellaneous field hockey discussions newsgroup sport hockey field skating discussions newsgroup skate sites hockey group called clari sports hockey consists feed news articles related hockey including game results summaries scores standings information team news section newsgroup sport hockey frequently asked questions posting posted semi monthly month hockey season file originally created wilson posted season mitch mcgowan season make corrections mail indicating subject line feel free start discussion previously mentioned topic subject line mitch mcgowan 
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bruins pens neeley fight nntp posting host uipc ericsson organization ericsson telecom stockholm sweden lines mattb samsung matt brown writes messier samuelsson incident true strictly speaking rocksteady replicant initially stick illegally measure messier ribcage question mind replay coming messier intent hasta vista mind agree rick cross check illegal kind check dozen times game called tendency make things worse messier heat stay kitchen staffan mattias timmander year impression markus czeriew lost roster list hammerby make eliteserien year stomped markus boston matt mattias timmander playing modo elite league team modo junior team predict years join play swedish championship game junior players year played physical game kind rough stuff ulfie suspect type player team mariusz czerkawski great season hammarby division scored remember correctly points season mind point season sweden considered good limited number games mariusz djurgarden property loan hammarby play elitserien season mariusz exciting player watch swedish hockey season staffan staffan axelsson etxonss ericsson contact swedish hockey 
isles hockey ramblings lines patrick division interesting night islanders lost devils tied pens means isles beat devils friday meet caps playoffs comments islanders hockey general chest islanders back back lackluster performances whalers islanders shape suck wind period unbelieveable goal games lost games pretty wide open isles tons trouble scoring whalers played golie start lenarduzzi debut tuesday isles mentioned looked golie planet misplayed mahlakov slap shot isles shoot correctly noticed shame hockey mick vukota time hockey talent jiggs macdonald play hockey anytime puck stolen starts fights needless penalties richard pilon stir crap defenseman approaching negative infinity minus beaten time enforcers fights slow game alot takes play game admit enjoy good fight called checks goalie hard words violation hockey ethics puched start crap losing becuase agree referees lenient sick teams pulling holding becuase referee call late time strategy physical prowess goal foremost afraid team score pull prevent deserve place honest opinion gary hofstra accgsg hofstra accgsg bitnet 
pens info needed nntp posting host uipc ericsson organization ericsson telecom stockholm sweden lines kevin stamber writes items markus naslund modo lost early national tournament playing national team world championships stats word playing expected join club markus good season modo swedish elite league scoring goals assists points games daryl points markus joining pens year playoffs world championships starts april good chance markus join pens season modo naturally superstars forsberg naslund latest news modo personal sponsors forsberg naslund order match kind money receive daryl turner writes club assume pens hold breath naslund year world championship tournament start april teams influx europeans team playing sudden influx eliminated nhlers earliest player playoff bound team join team game round robin doubt coach play short player long swedish coach curt lundmark thinking leaving spots open additions eliminated nhlers mats sundin calle johansson curt hopes join team late stage tournament technically recall leave spots open final staffan staffan axelsson etxonss ericsson contact swedish hockey 
expanding europe dusseldorf nntp posting host organization helsinki university technology finland lines article mlindroos marcus lindroos writes team number local players european teams chance sign players rest league agree birthplace important dusseldorfer german league average close fans single german born forward lion milan made european final fifteen canadian born players nationality issue sweden finland issue preventing lindros mario ending drafted european team vice versa player trades matter player drafted german born forwards team fact majority players german born average spectator arena european league site list switzerland berne zurich lugano germany dusseldorf cologne berlin munich mannheim rosenheim sweden stockholm gothenburg malmo gavle finland helsinki turku tampere italy milan france paris chamonix ruoen norway oslo austria vienna villach chech prag slovakia bratislava russia moscow petersburg great britain netherlands petteri kortelainen 
sweden finland april reply etxonss ericsson message organization akademi university finland news reader news lines etxonss ericsson writes played stockholm globe arena april sweden finland larsson stefan nilsson patrik juhlin peter popovic mikael renberg thomas rundqvist mika nieminen ville siren mikko haapakoski timo saarikoski vesa viitakoski harri laurila fredrik stillman stefan nilsson patrik juhlin mikael renberg saku koivu mika alatalo shots goal penalties attendance referee sweden borje johansson finland sweden things headline european division regular season game stockholm storm helsinki tornado games north american based team ninth final regular season encounter helsinki stockholm remaining games involve paris dortmund milan nice dream marcu staffan axelsson etxonss ericsson contact swedish hockey 
leaf slump nntp posting host stpl ists organization solar terresterial physics laboratory ists lines march roger maynard wrote reply article graham hudson jennings trophy year potvin good star perform playoffs pressure performing pressure major differences playoff hockey normal hockey play night physically exhausting play team consecutive string games pressure thought pressure thoughts rest drivel simply half baked check article paraphrased playoff hockey expression announcers convince simple minded folks product regular season game article roger maynard writes tough whaler squad leafs showed doubters playoff hockey roger playoff hockey convenient phrase circumstances spout flame bait times sooner catches 
mogilny benched nntp posting host stpl ists organization solar terresterial physics laboratory ists lines article buffalo andrew korbut writes game continued trend sadly taking shape couple weeks hoped fatigue aberration snow longer alex mogilny benched disciplinary action explanation ysebaert jumping lafontaine score winning goal yesterday wasn patty stuff mogilny surprise weeks read toronto quote alex sarcastically patty responsible team success post time forgot talking problem heard locker room beat shit spot patty responsibility press taking heat alex lafontaine epitome class consummate team player beat shit lafontaine team player makes islander management thinking question hell muckler wishes admit team coach kinda alex spot team devils advocate 
canadians stanley nntp posting host stpl ists organization solar terresterial physics laboratory ists distribution lines article writes pull miracle habs year traded ramage savard injury playing shinny blame loss washington players score goal boston years dedicated habs david degan habs talked late absolutely concept play front damn watch offensive zone powerplay damphousse lebeau skate bloody zone pass point back skate pass shot answer shot totally useless lack forward stands front neely shanahan tocchet demers dipietro leclair powerplay dammit ewen disruptions montreal desperately power forward talent watch zone patrick screened performance imnsho stop montreal defence miserable clearing front night washington played great game goal ridiculous goalmouth scramble long time hope hell stopping shot goal deflection shot partially pathetic defence goal pissed defencemen dchhabra ists 
vlad playoff picks nntp posting host stpl ists organization solar terresterial physics laboratory ists lines article vzhivov carleton vladimir zhivov writes wales conference adams division semifinal boston buffalo bruins playing excellent hockey neely back moog cake walk bruins hoping fuhr miracle agree boston series goaltending equal offensive players equal mogilny lafontaine oates juneau buffalo answer neely imply neely offensive player fact favourites damn bruin rest matchup lineup favours boston quebec montreal tough call montreal experience factor quebec talented imho goalies experience canadiens agreed montreal pushed limit montreal playoffs habs final boston montreal bruin domination continue rivalry moog consistently outperformed playoffs stuff bruins predict montreal victory watching play weeks severly tougher players play garden time beat boston clear territorial advantage victory time bring predict possibility loss putting money series patrick division semifinal pittsburgh islanders pens flying high talent league agreed goaltending stop onslaught independent trouble pittsburgh year pens credit washington jersey capitals agreed jersey decent team washington poorly division year pittsburgh washington caps bill ranford upset beaupre inspire hopes penguins tabaracci beaupre shelled conference final pittsburgh boston replay year penguins good months bruins improved penguins pittsburgh plays boston possibly bruins play montreal putting money seventh game habs played pittsburgh tough season campbell conference norris division semifinal chicago louis minnesota blackhawks chicago chicago good remember ridiculous numbers penalties detroit toronto leafs excellent season playing playoff hockey year habs burns wilted playoffs wings true leafs proud find montreal lousy playoffs toronto wings final chicago detroit fedorov wings possibly intense playoff series detroit probert smythe division semi finals vancouver winnipeg canucks disagreement canucks playing shit size explain hammered team chasing calgary winnipeg calgary angeles tough call things kings goalie gary roberts back kings shot foot trading proven winner paul coffey proven loser jimmy carson gretzky weary carry group flames tough call smythe roberts figure coffey issue cares carson underestimate gretzky final vancouver calgary flames calgary games winnipeg home coference final detroit calgary wings tough team picked detroit detroit stanley final pittsburgh detroit official dynasty status pens wings complete dream season wings goal sufficiently imho mario boys score jagr shine playoffs love probert beat sense pens detroit tougher battle penguins pittsburgh plays detroit longer wings strong strong underachieving year forced choose penguins side note vlad week selanne player gilmour talented pure goal scorer difference gilmour team flames spent time arguing behalf selanne great player gilmour dangerous offensively give teemu edge gilmour gilmour bashing flame fans letting dislike gilmour cloud judgement skill easily round players dchhabra ists 
summary parse results games played april organization university brunswick lines boston ottawa period boston roberts juneau boston wiemer juneau oates period boston neely juneau murphy boston hughes richer kimble ottawa archibald rumble lamb period ottawa boschman kudelski boston power play scorer hughes juneau kimble murphy neely oates richer roberts wiemer ottawa power play scorer archibald boschman kudelski lamb rumble washington rangers period scoring period scoring period washington bondra pivonka cavallini washington bondra cote pivonka washington power play scorer bondra cavallini cote pivonka rangers power play scoring islanders hartford period islanders ferraro malakhov king islanders hogue thomas turgeon hartford yake poulin hartford yake nylander poulin period hartford verbeek cassels weinrich islanders thomas king ferraro period hartford burt sanderson cassels islanders malakhov hogue overtime hartford janssens poulin hartford power play scorer burt cassels janssens nylander poulin sanderson verbeek weinrich yake islanders power play scorer ferraro hogue king malakhov thomas turgeon pittsburgh jersey period pittsburgh daniels needham tippett jersey lemieux semak driver pittsburgh stevens tocchet murphy jersey zelepukin driver niedermayer period pittsburgh lemieux stevens tocchet jersey semak lemieux zelepukin pittsburgh mceachern jagr barrasso jersey stevens guerin pellerin pittsburgh lemieux unassisted jersey richer nicholls jersey lemieux semak zelepukin period pittsburgh mullen jagr lemieux overtime scoring pittsburgh power play special goals total scorer barrasso daniels jagr lemieux mceachern mullen murphy needham stevens tippett tocchet jersey power play scorer driver guerin lemieux nicholls niedermayer pellerin richer semak stevens zelepukin 
rheaume start umsl organization louis nntp posting host umslvma umsl newsreader lines quick note manon future rumor today spor page playing tampa affiliate echl thin couple days supposedly competing goaltender spot performance damn good played squat year atlanta years ward blades bring home turner 
playoff format organization university toronto chemistry department distribution lines article icop antonio pera writes playoff format teams finish fourth deserve playoffs format chance teams bruins sabres umpteen times bruins capitals secound round playoffs inherently wrong decade showed early rounds playoffs divisional arenas filled early rounds empirical evidence decades people show bruins play sabre umpteen times bruins play captials round hockey increased popularity sufficiently longer case experiment worthwhile uneven distribution expansion teams prefer divisional playoff gerald 
sale edmonton oilers organization university toronto chemistry department lines article mbevan edmonton mark bevan writes offered million northlands coliseum refused offer sale decide move team states draw revenue team pocklington wanted wake powers holding political office northlands business community oilers current lease arrangement state yearly basis operating loss based normal hockey revenues expenses good thing complain early make city aware potential looming crisis begins lose millions millions dollars jeopardize franchise pocklington option sell move sell minority share team realize appreciated team arena deal northlands building pocklington ultimately sell risks moving team remember peter puck principle spend people money gerald 
hockey hispanic community nntp posting host starbase louisville organization university louisville lines rickc corp richard casares writes hard time selling sport community play account availability financial reasons hockey pretty sport white white hockey season ticket owners lowest average income major north american sports majority hockey players farm boondock saskatchewan weedville alberta time hockey league city insurance barrier city place poor biggest barrier hockey city play stace rick casares silicon graphics cubfan corp shoreline blvd wait till year mountain view 
winning streaks lines clarify game winning streak pens streak playoff streak tied chicago blackhawks pens finals year game unbeaten regular season unbeaten streak personally flyers stretch healthy lindros recchi brind amour tommy soderstrom year flyers defenseman kind trade suggest existing flyers roster scuttlebutt terry carkner year piece notebook paper defense matt weaver properly found whalers 
washington beat pitt organization naval postgraduate school monterey lines article robbie writes article tasallot mathew tasalloti chances year washington team stop penguins winning stanley islanders devils chance penguins capitals robbie penguins easy contact stanley greater rewards penn state lady lions champions mountains valleys straight wins makes islanders shot beat whalers games pens fans question moot teams beat pens bruins nordiques blackhawks galvin galvint navy 
bruins canadiens talentwise organization university toronto chemistry department lines article richard richard wernick writes bottom line bruins team year montreal fans screaming years beloved canadiens deserve removal french canadien rule screaming foul league parity rest league years habs beat boston playoffs pens agree boston taleneted team french canadian rule extremely short term feature universal draft instituted sixties lasted years substantial effect period canadiens stanley achievements earned level playing field gerald 
playoff predictions organization colorado springs center lines nntp posting host fajita join give playoff predictions round pitt pitt wash wash round pitt wash pitt round pitt pitt finals pitt pitt walter 
giveaways nntp posting host mach organization school computer science carnegie mellon lines article philips john curcio writes find sponser sponser pittsburgh penguins steel steel night close steel dead industry giveaway night baboon liver night sponored pittsburgh lori 
goalie masks organization georgia institute technology lines starting informal poll goalie masks mask curtis joseph blues send nominations post vote mail adress gatech time skins question emotional music braves effect mike patton faith hornets capitals mike friedman hrivnak internet gatech 
nhlpa poll stats uptade organization crin inria lorraine lines uptade standings poll votes points point nhlpa game atlanta turner game person vote continue send votes format april approximately 
barasso cheap shot master organization department computer science university toronto lines robert angelo pleshar writes watching pengiuns year teams noticed increase barasso cheap shots year noticed corrsponding increase goaltenders belfour kicked john mclean called belfour kicked gerrard gallant wings played hawks couple weeks penalty review suspension attacked probert previous period penalized doubt mind barasso dirtiest golatender hextall good likewise belfour ralph brian bdown toronto 
minus stat organization university turku finland lines edward writes player points subtraction lemieux lafontaine oates yzerman selanne wrong lemieux points power play points able find goal scored assist accumulated times credited goals pens scored point straight dependency scored points apparently netters realized 
hawks return finals organization educational computing network lines distribution world nntp posting host hawks division road easier playoffs toronto detroit beat hell chicago sweeps louis makes easier round rest conf champ hard time versus division pretty battered advantage hawks bring pitt hawks lose lose brian 
washington beat pitt organization software engineering institute lines article fmsalvat ncsu frank michae salvatore writes makes understand reasoning seat caps defeat pittsburgh spirit broken year playoffs recovered season series numbers pens devils islanders problems spirit crap caps hope facing pittsburgh caps lose pitt lack spirit penguins season series caps eighteen games sake penguins good read wrote thought pens team size skill players league clutch goaltending team league point caps played ability level pens year choke mental problem number years point spirit mental preparedness call missing caps play pens make difference george 
mogilny benched organization simon fraser university burnaby canada lines dchhabra ists deepak chhabra writes stuff mogilny surprise weeks read toronto quote alex sarcastically patty responsible team success post time forgot kinda alex spot team assume sarcastic remark language english interpret comment believes team normal players modest 
leaf slump organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury lines dchhabra ists deepak chhabra writes march roger maynard wrote reply article graham hudson performing pressure major differences playoff hockey normal hockey play night physically exhausting play team consecutive string games pressure thought pressure thoughts rest drivel simply half baked check article paraphrased playoff hockey expression announcers convince simple minded folks product regular season game article roger maynard writes tough whaler squad leafs showed doubters playoff hockey roger playoff hockey convenient phrase circumstances spout flame bait times sooner catches nice deepak tough whaler squad clued fact leaf woofing tongue cheek playoff hockey intense regular season variety teams facing consecutive times days hockey contact sport things carried dissipate regular season players rest playing injuries miss families grant fuhr playing golf give damn fairly typical human nature hockey players typically human attitudes recent salary escalations players losing money participating playoffs regard playoff kind bonanza fringe players consistently force playoffs back winning spirit crap players professionals love play game love incidental purpose make decent living coach professional part paid motivate players coach players respond winning effort season exhibition true champions league division winners teams long struggle season stanley playoffs accord victory team remained healthy emphasis playoffs sudden death appeal promoted media owners profit purely mind pittsburgh loses playoffs team league year proved cordially roger maynard maynard laurentian 
playoff predictions organization university western ontario nntp posting host business lines smithw walter smith writes join give playoff predictions round pitt pitt wash wash round pitt wash pitt round pitt pitt finals pitt pitt walter wrong lawren business stephen lawrence western business school london ontario 
patrick playoffs organization software engineering institute lines article bson brittenson writes article george pandelios writes pens playing montreal boston adams divisional play buffalo quebec make decent showings boston sheer determination game pens heart pens guns ways boston adams play pens find boston team year boston trick book shut pens offense year pens weak spot defense goaltending boston enjoyed reading post disagree weak spot defense goaltending couple reasons barrasso spectacular year slow start consistently sharp shut pens offense early goal real game pens score practically pens discipline stick team game held scoreless minutes boston guns pens pens defense goaltending discipline boston boston puck remember boston patrick style team played hockey part regular season doesn neely backchecks penalty killing factor boston short handed situations meaning scored giving lackluster game ottawa series favor pens styles playoffs make predictable place bets pens prediction goal games series pens wait adams begin buffalo quebec montreal planning call game home brittenson bson george george pandelios internet software engineering institute usenet avenue voice pittsburgh disclaimer opinions reflect software engineering institute sponsors customers clients affiliates carnegie mellon university fact resemblence opinions individual living dead fictional real purely coincidental 
playoff telecasts atlanta organization lines nntp posting host lictor acsu buffalo article nhmas harvard mark shneyder writes article mamatha devineni ratnam writes patrick division games televised espn games left blanked dumb southern affiliates wondering sports bars atlanta frequented hockey fans miss pens games islander fans rangers dead watch pens islanders game atlanta circle tuesday april calendar espn carry game pittsburgh civic arena advetising pittsburgh place partick finisher personally bruins buffalo montreal quebec city matchup espn hoping spoiler pens series mario playing past month personally prefer buffalo boston birthday gift espn folks espn accomodate espn inexplicable affinity patrick division valerie hammerl days remind hammerl buffalo mario lemieux herb brooks claude acscvjh buffalo lemieux scorer devils pwwpz buffalo taking dumb penalties 
david polie future organization lines nntp posting host lictor acsu buffalo article gatech hrivnak writes article gary james patalsky writes news patrick division year caps david polie reportedly front office polie fired years mediocrity idiot idiot happened traded hrivnak idiot position opening polie sabres gerry meehan meehan valerie hammerl days remind hammerl buffalo mario lemieux herb brooks claude acscvjh buffalo lemieux scorer devils pwwpz buffalo taking dumb penalties 
playoff predictions organization microsystems lines distribution world reply jake nntp posting host rambler round pitt pitt safe bagging late showdown friday night honour pittsburg pigsburg wash wash solid team compete wash agree wash playing awesome hockey weeks question long fuhr chemistry habs stride playoffs diehard leaf leafs offense shutting week turn detroit recall couple time teams leafs pummelled bobbie allowed canada upset making team chemistry foul linden momesso bure possibly beet watch smythe bunch geritols round pitt wash pitt pigsburg egos team saving grace bowman place pigs quick round high wash surprise pitt surprising late great couple wins week sold yikes pretty running machine late busy season played killers solid team weak nets muscle round pitt pitt hate pitt logic eludes dark side give extra push dump pitt rivalry finals pitt pitt teams flying overdue goaltending muscle jake 
minus stat nntp posting host hudson uvic reply gballent uvic organization university victoria victoria canada lines article laurentian maynard laurentian roger maynard writes gballent uvic greg ballentine writes completely missed point selke trophy defensive forward forward forgoes points team defensively unsung hero sorts lemieux gilmour good defensive players play offensively oriented style true defensive forward year check score check score candidates selke candidate forwards main purpose shift prevent goals scored score lemieux gilmour play number purpose score defence secondary line plays defensive selke candidates tarasov called gainey player world assumed meaned technical player knew intricacy playing hockey made technical error made assumption friends greg people assume tarasov idiot posted assumption lost translation months repost agree assessment gainey technical player greg claude provost gainey journeyman player outstanding abilities political lection defensive skills absolutely offensive skills abilities pass puck shoot puck deke goalie defenseman technical skills gainey defensive forward stand assessment good player belongs hall fame watch play made technical error greg pundits calling gilmour player league back louis expected picked pundits gilmour good louis player game overhyped gilmour months good forward gregmeister 
minus stat nntp posting host hudson uvic reply gballent uvic organization university victoria victoria canada lines article tele nokia hahietanen tele nokia writes article gballent uvic greg ballentine writes good stat stat aware takes account defensive play measure defensive play takes account offense defence aspects play interested real round players power play stats considered power play aspect play player evaluation tools good player score power plays advantage good power play scorers tend overrated point totals inflated power play points expose overrated players brett hull john cullen dave andreychuck opportunity play power play consistently player inflate totals gregmeister 
minus stat nntp posting host hudson uvic reply gballent uvic organization university victoria victoria canada lines article apland apland writes article gballent uvic greg ballentine writes adjust calculate teams goals scored goals scored goals allowed goals allowed penalty killing divide number account fact players responsible team players adjusted team adjustment calculate post adjusted ratings greatly appreciated find time count database filter player stats posted season repost team averages complicated team adjustment team average summing individual players divide total number players team distorted players traded recently scores based original teams distort individual players perspective ahead require original player stats question team players season divide total player plays game considered equally valuable player plays thing compare deviation team player standard deviation team post standard deviation team unsure transferable teams stats average standard deviation league interested method mine reason familiarity gregmeister 
minnesota recalls mcgowan organization university washington lines nntp posting host stein washington derian hatcher game misconduct penalty rescinded allowing minnesota defenseman play north stars regular season games hatcher penalty fight loss louis sunday april league rescind game misconduct penalty shane churla received stars recalled center mcgowan minor league club kalamazoo mich replace churla courtesy washington times line service tape tuesday chicago minnesota game contact terms favorable tape tonight minnesota detroit game contact important make worth trouble sport hockey contact minnesota north stars maintainer file mitch mcgowan kalamazoo wings minnesota north stars hamlet washington kilda saints toronto blue jays 
helsinki stockholm expansion organization university turku finland lines mlindroos marcus lindroos writes surely high european division finnish team players national team class foreigner league jokerit dozen players international class settle minor league matter call teams jokerit helsinki tornado turku typhoon palyers finland eventually teams league spend marks watch helsinki tornado play montreal rangers angeles marks privilege jokerit jypht djurgardens period unrealistic expand finnish league teams baltic countries entry interested idea settle bigger ultimate goal european division make final europan team norht american 
playoff predictions organization university waterloo lines send predictions stanley playoffs people send format comparable winner buffalo boston winner montreal quebec winner pittsburgh york winner jersey washington winner chicago minnesota louis winner toronto detroit winner vancouver winnipeg winner calgary angeles winner adams division winner patrick division winner norris division winner smythe division winner wales conference winner campbell conference winner stanley summarize predictions biggest internet guru predicting send entries richard madison rrmadiso uwaterloo send entries folks 
hawks return finals organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host hela cwru hawks norris sealed fate luck norris hawks sweep blues dreams lose reality predict game blues belfour knees time spend rest time butcher pound roenick warthawks tough prevent wart hawks 
predictions nntp posting host gibson umanitoba organization university manitoba winnipeg manitoba canada lines smythe division vancouver winnipeg jets jets played canucks tough games healthy jets biased calgary angeles flames kings looked flat flames final jets jets lost flames close series roberts recovered norris division chicago louis minnesota chicago blues stars detroit toronto wings wings able shutdown gilmour andreychuk chelvadae experienced potvin final hawks brutal series probert chelios belfour chelvadae imho conference final hawks hurts hawks experienced carry final prince wales conference adams division boston buffalo bruins check juneau darn good neely sabres rely lafontaine mogilny quebec montreal montreal classic battle inexperience hurt nords year final bruins habs hurting series nords boston able control scorers habs patrick division pittsburgh islanders devils pens word mario washington devils islanders caps devils caps beat isles devils tabaracci strong goal plays year carry team matter final pens words stevens jagr final pens words tocchet murphy barrasso thing pens woofers full force regular penguin fans bunch predictions true post nuts jets winning hear lose yeah year prediction jets nords daryl turner contact winnipeg jets internet umturne umanitoba fidonet route tkachuk zhamnov shoots scores jets jets essensa vezina housley norris calder 
minus stat organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury lines gballent uvic greg ballentine writes selke candidate forwards main purpose shift prevent goals scored score lemieux gilmour play number purpose score defence secondary line plays defensive selke candidates gainey defensive forward stand assessment good player belongs hall fame watch play made technical error watched entire career player includes russell courtnall davie keon screw breakaways gainey forget time denis potvin caught gainey head sold bill goods gainey gainey plugger press runs things stars dynasties start hype pluggers grant fuhr essa tikkannen butch goring nystrom gainey doug jarvis derek sanderson wayne cashman baun pulford ralph backstrom henri richard dick duff cordially roger maynard maynard laurentian 
wfan steve chief hours lines nntp posting host mcgill organization mcgill university steve summers chief hours night shmoozing sports missed provide synopsis czar mainframe computing mcgill university sexy cobol habs good expos peter peter pumkin eater knew chick meet brother fine sucked cock andrew dice clay disclaimer needless opinions expressed czar represent faculty staff students mcgill university 
pens score nntp posting host mach organization school computer science carnegie mellon lines pens devils period scoring pittsburgh daniels needham tippett devils lemieux semak driver pittsburgh stevens tocchet murphy devils zelepukin driver niedermayer penalties stevens roughing pellerin double minor cross checking zelepukin tripping stasny holding taglianetti roughing lemieux roughing jagr tripping period scoring pittsburgh lemieux murphy tocchet devils semak lemieux zelepukin pittsburgh mceachern jagr barrasso stevens guerin pellerin pittsburgh lemieux unassisted devils richer nicholls devils lemieux zelepukin penalties stevens roughing mckay roughing mullen hooking tocchet roughing stevens slashing lemieux unsportsmanlike conduct samuelsson cross checking barrasso double minor spearing served mceachern holik cross checking lemieux roughing period scoring pittsburgh mullen jagr lemieux penalties daneyko interference stevens roughing holik roughing match penalty game misconduct zelepukin tripping stevens roughing daneyko roughing overtime scoring scoring penalties penalties shots goal pittsburgh devils goalies barrasso shots saves billington shots saves devorski linesmen gauthier vines lori contact penguins 
giveaways organization home ncaa hockey champs lines article steveg steve gallichio wrote john curcio philips responded drivel steveg steve gallichio writes surprised giving goodies game problems make people building assured redeemable vouchers building managers avoid costs delaying people leave building instance goodies people exit jersey devils carvel cream puck night year beloved bruins play pucks game imagine happened late bruins winning figures posted article found whalers coupons giveaway friday night corporation bank flying disk night potential danger bunch giveaways land ceases amuse thankful players sponsor lead pipe night arenas find sponser sponser pittsburgh penguins steel steel night close naah bounce caufield cincinnati cyclones game year local country station sponsored kazoo giveaway call underexperienced echl kazoostorm time thought pathetic display fans rightfully unhappy jason 
canucks clinch bure score playoff goals reply carleton rachel holme organization national capital freenet lines previous article steveg steve gallichio apland apland writes quinn resign head coach secret bring game spatially institutes team disciplined play keenan give coach quinn upstairs president impression rick line canucks quinn step bench coached canucks organization bring back harry neale witty carleton rachel holme 
hockey hispanic community organization simon fraser university burnaby canada lines rickc corp richard casares writes article icop antonio pera writes presence team miami south florida long makes interesting question sell hispanic community hockey miami hispanic community experience previous exposure hockey teams hispanic groups group miami spanish language radio coverage hard time selling sport community play account availability financial reasons hockey pretty sport white suffice sport able make substantial investment equipment availability line skates road hockey contribute rise awareness hockey argue effect kids play hockey winter road hockey summer line skates 
suhonen jokerit keywords suhonen nntp posting host vipunen organization helsinki university technology finland lines tvartiai tommi vartiainen writes inside information alpo suhonen headcoach jokerit pretty boris majorov continue owner team previously chance coach tommi wrong information announced suhonen made deal jokerit tommi 
mogilny benched nntp posting host stpl ists organization solar terresterial physics laboratory ists lines article wong wong writes weeks read toronto quote alex sarcastically patty responsible team success assume sarcastic remark language english interpret comment believes team normal players modest recall assuming columnist reported incident telling truth sarcastic impression steve simmons knowledge alex pretty fair grasp english language recent comment detroit game remark dchhabra ists 
minus stat nntp posting host hudson uvic reply gballent uvic organization university victoria victoria canada lines article laurentian maynard laurentian roger maynard writes gballent uvic greg ballentine writes gainey defensive forward stand assessment good player belongs hall fame watch play made technical error watched entire career player includes russell courtnall davie keon screw breakaways gainey forget time denis potvin caught gainey head sold bill goods gainey gainey plugger press runs things stars dynasties start hype pluggers grant fuhr essa tikkannen butch goring nystrom gainey doug jarvis derek sanderson wayne cashman baun pulford ralph backstrom henri richard dick duff players pretty good players depth dynasties stanley cups tend good line liners weaker clubs important clubs stanley winning teams cups depth provided players compare rick tocchet francis penguins good players lead lesser teams francis hartford tocchet philly provide depth team defensive forward gainey player forward canadians time excellent gainey dominate games defence goals dominate shut opposition valuable gregmeister 
washington beat pitt article news reply horse auburn organization microsystems lines nntp posting host dead auburn article buffalo buffalo ralph ambrosio writes article tasallot mathew tasalloti writes penguins patrick hardest task division washington definitly throw rench penguin plans canucks chances year washington team stop penguins winning stanley impression penguins caps number season mathew tasalloti teltech vancouver canada asked interject opinions matters concern islanders playoffs jets year capitals pens number game playoffs john horstmann 
hockey area reply grogers slac stanford greg rogers organization stanford linear accelerator center lines sport channel desparate playoff action cannucks sports peninsula showing hockey games redwood city mountain view greg 
goalie mask poll article hydra organization georgia institute technology lines update goalie mask poll people gave decided give favorite mailed response gave feel free send favorites votes mask received votes players mention team play date results player team votes belfour chicago andy moog boston curtis joseph louis brian hayward jose grant fuhr buffalo hextall quebec clint malarchuk buffalo manon rheaume atlanta john casey minnesota rick wamsley toronto retired voted coming skins question emotional music braves effect mike patton faith hornets capitals mike friedman hrivnak internet gatech 
washington beat pitt article netnews organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn article galvint navy thomas galvin writes article robbie writes article tasallot mathew tasalloti chances year washington team stop penguins winning stanley islanders devils chance penguins capitals makes islanders shot couldn beat whalers games mentioned times islanders play talent level opponent hartford pitiful islanders played pitiful pittsburgh great isles play great inexperience poor shooting greg noticed islanders broad side barn puck feet front shooting percentages miss completely shed light subject playoff pool running exact rules posted tomorrow hesitate send picks keith keller rangers quakers kkeller upenn league champs opinion give 
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espn tonight article virginia organization university virginia lines swartzjh rose hulman writes heard game espn showing tonight show game means playoff wise assume blues tampa game minnesota wings game heard jeff swartz stars wings game 
picks organization university toronto epas nntp posting host epas utoronto lines ottawa daigle sweepstakes mention jose goals sens hunch ottawa pick susan 
stop predicting organization university western london nntp posting host hydra lines article cdkaupan ncsu carl david kaupang writes annoying predictions cares stop predictions caps words doktor kultur ottawa citizen remember unhook nitrous oxide leave dentist chair jets playoffs paul badertscher 
stan fischler keenan stuff organization university toronto chemistry department lines article columbia gary dare writes oilers charge press room year article toronto papers months globe mail ethical journalist sports journalist accept free meals team case points article making admittdly sports reporting ethical standards gerald 
minus stat organization malaspina college lines article golchowy chem utoronto gerald olchowy writes meaningless compare player minus statistic players context role playing time players involved meaningless compare goals assists stat player asked unique role team contexts player playing team teams awards promotions received based part meaningless stats operative words part stats interpreted tempered information player compare jagr francis minus ridiculous absurd comparing jagr francis points ridiculous absurd ridiculous absurd comparing goals assists points selanne lindros juneau potvin rookies league enjoy game 
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flyers notes organization keywords flyers whalers summary lines flyers closed season night straight victory winner hartford whalers game winner dimitri yushkevich season game winner flyers point game whalers loss marked record loss season roster move gord hynes called play place ryan mcgill injuries ryan mcgill injured hand fight scratched lines eklund lindros recchi beranek brind amour dineen lomakin butsayev conroy faust acton brown galley bowen yushkevich hawgood carkner hynes dominic roussel game summary coverage game stormy parts radio coverage score things pick period hartford nylander philadelphia recchi lindros brind amour penalties verbeek holding carkner roughing houda interference period hartford burt cunneyworth kron philadelphia bowen eklund recchi hartford nylander zalapski sanderson penalties galley major game misconduct spearing verbeek major game misconduct spearing brown tripping zalapski tripping brind amour slashing period hartford kron sanderson cassels philadelphia beranek lomakin yushkevich philadelphia faust brind amour roussel penalties houda tripping hawgood holding overtime philadelphia yushkevich faust penalties power play philadelphia hartford goalies philadelphia roussel shots saves hartford lenarduzzi hartford goal gord hynes misplayed puck flyers blue line nylander stripped recchi goal lindros bowen goal puck threw good carom ended goalie nylander goal whacks puck frustrating part flyers defense body shot beat fine give chance carkner galley mcgill terrible money closest flyer play radio lucky scored heard roussel strong game game gene hart asked bobby taylor pick stars season game garry galley career high point total surprised goalie closer defensive play tommy soderstrom team record tying shutouts season mark recchi time high team single season scoring mark part decide lindros recchi number picks recchi hard time choosing lindros make lindros wanna stars season asked eric lindros eric dominates game simply stepping difference team record accident team successful recchi question team significantly eric lindros deservedly wear jersey season tommy soderstrom shutouts league belfour tommy chris chelios boo front play complete season heart problems sentimental edge family history heart problems question mind tommy soderstrom teams goalie future roussel complains number traded years mark recchi argue time team high single season scoring mark awful teams single player points mark flyer play entire season tough choice honorable mentions brind amour topped single season high point total year difference line year playing time defensive attention year team dimtri yushkevich teams consistent defenseman made rookie mistakes fast make feeling shot score points year giving zone suspect teams defenseman years garry galley team point leader defensemen things argue battled chronic fatigue syndrome deserves kudos missing game wishes doctors orders defensive play negates offensive contribution caution smarter make important part team year brent fedyk leagues biggest improvement years point total consistency problem couple misc notes mailing list members misnik member mailing list exchange mail addresses list members touch summer interested send mail tmisnik flyers season game place winning percentage division patrick home finished draft years entry draft quebec rounder scored goals allowed straight wins sending final stats issue hockey news games hope enjoyed years hockey season knowing future coming made missing playoffs time bearable flyers team record watch eric lindros goals assists points rookie records club record goals club record points eric lindros dave poulin brian propp brian propp flockhart eric lindros dave poulin flockhart bill barber pelle eklund mark recchi goals assists points club record goals club record points reggie leach mark recchi kerr bobby clarke kerr bobby clarke mark recchi bill barber rick macliesh bobby clarke bill barber rick macliesh reggie leach games flyers career years player points prior season mark recchi penguins brind amour flyers garry galley kings brent fedyk wings pete clark flyers contact mailing list owner 
predictions classic playoff year organization dalhousie university halifax nova scotia canada lines prediction great playoffs laugh convenience adams division hate divisoin series watch round biased feel canadiens smarten start playing played months bench savard patrick division wont complete cake walk lumps cake batter exciting series pitt washington tired norris division lucky game intense series watch potvin settling nicely point smythe division teemu great vancouver team gretzky great calgary fire great series proven beat wales conference finals pittsburgh montreal montreal montreal imho team chance pittsburgh campbell conference finals vancouver toronto toronto potvin series stanley finals toronto maple leafs montreal canadiens classic stanley final matchup dream true montreal wins stanley game double overtime potvin spectacular series share series vincent damphouse nets game winner brilliant pass brian bellows canadiens star denis savard watched buddies play owners nursing splinter thumb left disabled list game playoffs aww shucks poof wake predictions hope dream true stop laughing anytime paul hard habs living hard leafs fans 
playoff results nntp posting host craft clarkson organization clarkson university newsreader version lines calder playoff game played providence springfield baltimore binghamton utica rochester cape breton fredericton game scheduled capital district adirondack providence springfield baltimore binghamton utica rochester moncton john halifax series stati plural status adirondack leads springfield leads providence baltimore leads binghamton utica leads rochester john leads moncton cape breton tied fredericton full calder playoff schedule results home team caps necesary round springfield indians providence bruins springfield providence springfield providence providence springfield providence springfield springfield providence providence springfield springfield providence islanders adirondack wings adirondack adirondack adirondack adirondack adirondack adirondack adirondack baltimore skipjacks binghamton rangers baltimore binghamton baltimore binghamton binghamton baltimore binghamton baltimore baltimore binghamton binghmaton baltimore baltimore binghamton utica devils rochester americans utica rochester utica rochester rochester utica rochester utica utica rochester rochester utica utica rochester moncton hawks john maple leafs john moncton moncton john halifax john moncton john moncton moncton john halifax john moncton moncton john halifax cape breton oilers fredericton canadiens fredericton cape breton cape breton fredericton fredericton cape breton fredericton cape breton cape breton fredericton fredericton cape breton cape breton fredericton farenell farenebt camp clarkson ecac contact sport hockey hockey adirondack wings calder champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champs glens falls high hockey division state champs fans join mailing list news request congrats boston bruins adams division champions phoenix suns pacific division champions 
year year playoffs nntp posting host crockett reply downec organization rensselaer polytechnic institute troy lines fill winners wanted year playoff matchups left matchups year alignment playoff matchup rules teams make playoffs year rules round matchups thoughts chris downec 
predictions classic playoff year nntp posting host crockett reply downec organization rensselaer polytechnic institute troy lines article paul writes prediction great playoffs laugh convenience adams division hate divisoin series watch round biased feel canadiens smarten start playing played months bench savard patrick division wont complete cake walk lumps cake batter exciting series pitt washington tired norris division lucky game intense series watch potvin settling nicely point smythe division teemu great vancouver team gretzky great calgary fire great series proven beat wales conference finals pittsburgh montreal montreal montreal imho team chance pittsburgh campbell conference finals vancouver toronto toronto potvin series stanley finals toronto maple leafs montreal canadiens classic stanley final matchup montreal wins stanley game double overtime potvin spectacular series share series vincent damphouse nets game winner brilliant pass brian bellows canadiens star denis savard watched buddies play owners nursing splinter thumb left disabled list game playoffs aww shucks poof wake predictions hope dream true stop laughing anytime paul hard habs living hard leafs fans comment call classic playoff year include chicago detroit series boston realize chicago detroit games exciting games watch chris downec 
picks organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn ottawa picks fewer wins season tiebreaker keith keller rangers quakers kkeller upenn league champs opinion give 
team milwaukee organization utexas mail news gateway lines nntp posting host utexas newsgroups sport hockey subject team milwaukee summary expires sender distribution organization marquette university department mscs keywords article cbetz cray charles betz writes bradley center milwaukee home milwaukee admirals minor leauge hockey team owner admirals remember owns shelled majority funds build bradley center lloyd pettit married allen bradley corp family owns admirals donated bradley center pettit national center supposedly approached expansion franchise turned thought franchise million high heard lloyd affectionately referred milwaukeeans uecker bought bradley center story true rumor true team milwaukee anytime admirals aren forced building club minor league club building milwaukee bucks play yeah bucks milwaukee wave soccer admirals marquette warriors concerts bunch things jason hanson wisconsin marquette university milwaukee radio jason mscs nocal 
finland sweden teams helsinki stockholm organization university oulu finland newsreader version lines mention stars rexi prime good regular york edmonton superstar blamed lack effort behalf management made mistake remember edmonton called reksa middle season call yeah tendency beat past knifed brother anger sweden scored final minute semifinals back goals antero kivela minutes russkies lake placid luck penguins kind luck year playoffs team howl howl gargle howl gargle howl howl howl gargle howl gargle howl howl gargle gargle howl gargle gargle gargle howl slurrp uurgh prostetnic vogon jeltz marko poutiainen oulu 
playoff pool organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn looked scoring plan decided modify finalized scoring pick round winner games pick game pick exact games pick round winner games pick game pick exact games pick conference champ games pick game pick exact games pick stanley winner games pick game pick exact games pick loser series pick loser game decided final needing copy entry sheet email address keith keller rangers quakers kkeller upenn league champs opinion give 
nhlpa poll partial stats results nntp posting host ravel udel organization university delaware lines article young writes people send polls closer deep team capable goalies excellent forwards defensemen shooter richer todd chef stasny master thousand dishes power play captain stevens numbers play agree devils beat wings easily send votes diffrent teams voting islanders quebec expected cobra answer question answer mail cobra udel 
finland sweden teams helsinki stockholm organization university toronto chemistry department lines article mlindroos marcus lindroos writes jutila failure makela haanpaa career islanders players play minors players names mention stars rexi prime good regular york edmonton superstar blamed lack effort behalf ruotsaleinen competent choice play bear hockey playing ability crucial oilers stanley victory gretzky made oiler power play lethargic year arrived slide overdrive oilers missed year kurri oilers make finals ruotsaleinen stayed season beaten pittsburgh ruotsaleinen healthy messier delayed pittsburgh dynasty season gerald 
flyers notes keywords flyers whalers summary organization purdue university engineering computer network lines post flyers record eric lindros lineup compare quebec flyers trade dallas minnesota trade hershel walker stat back point eric great players john 
pick draft distribution world organization amiga bitswap central dispatch lines recently bought pack prospect hockey cards players coming card russian named viktor kozlov scouts pick quoted good mario lemieux 
minus stat organization university western ontario nntp posting host business lines post newsgroups sport hockey david business james david subject minus stat organization university western ontario date nntp posting host business lines defending gainey frankly care dismissal effective hockey player tiresome basis calders oops read selke forgive insolence congenially james david david business david business james david western business school london ontario 
stop predicting organization university pittsburgh lines article jack petrilli jack petrilli writes april cdkaupan ncsu carl david kaupang wrote annoying predictions cares stop predictions caps things find interesting newsgroup good cluing collective wisdom average hockey fans habs adams believes jack hard humble perfect long unduly cocky obvious pens cone patrick division caps thier stanley collective wisdom polite putting gracious worth habs adams long absent mikey mike dellinger computer consultant sutherland hall computer grill university pittsburgh 
hockey hispanic market distribution organization computer science department boston university boston lines originator icop article saross louisville stacey ross writes rickc corp richard casares writes hard time selling sport community play account availability financial reasons hockey pretty sport white crap interested intelligent discussion answer question answer ques 
hawks leafs lastnight organization university toronto chemistry department distribution lines article ramnarace writes game night playoff game lots hitting disappointed video goal judge replays murphy goal counted broadcasters video goal judge water bottle cage move assumed puck terrible hope crap occur playoffs game ended thought light review presumption find conclusive evidence puck replays rear evidence conclusive puck opinion gerald 
brown university ordered restore women varsity teams organization node public access unix lines found press release trial lawyers public justice system thought interest campuses administration athletics department eliminate women hockey team women athletes discrimination ruling brown university ordered restore women varsity teams national desk sports writer contact lynette labinger home marcaccio trial lawyers public justice washington april court appeals circuit boston upheld district court order requiring brown university immediately reinstate women gymnastics volleyball teams full varsity status ruling cohen brown university appeals court decision nation applying title intercollegiate athletics trial lawyers public justice tlpj national public interest firm representing women athletes ruling makes clear school eliminate teams women fair share opportunities participate eliminiate teams tlpj executive director arthur bryant counsel case class action filed april charged brown violating title education amendments federal prohibits discrimination educational institutions receiving federal funds brown terminated women teams university funded sports allowing continue compete varsity teams raise funds uniforms travel coaches expenses denied admission preferences recruiting members major victory women equal rights tlpj lead counsel lynette labinger providence roney labinger universities america reevaluate programs quickly title enforced similar title appeals await decision colorado state university indiana university pennsylvania colgate university federal appeals courts overturn court orders requiring reinstate establish specific women varsity teams continuing cutting edge title activities tlpj representing women athletes addition labinger bryant tlpj legal team included marcaccio blish cavanagh amato deluca mandell deluca schwartz providence sandra duggan philadelphia national women center women sports foundation national association women sports filed amicus support tlpj appeal 
hawks leafs lastnight organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury distribution lines golchowy chem utoronto gerald olchowy writes article ramnarace writes game night playoff game lots hitting disappointed video goal judge replays murphy goal counted broadcasters video goal judge water bottle cage move assumed puck terrible hope crap occur playoffs game ended thought light review presumption find conclusive evidence puck replays rear evidence conclusive puck opinion pretty conclusive puck crossbar line announcers admittedly homers harping view upstairs obvious thought replay puck referee originally signalled goal video replay judges initiated contact referee claim goal fact scored unheard stuff happen feeling leaf chances year cordially roger maynard maynard laurentian 
final point standings organization university brunswick distribution sport hockey lines individual leaders total points final standings note games played points games accurate player team lemieux lafontaine oates yzerman turgeon selanne mogilny gilmour robitaille recchi sundin stevens bure tocchet roenick janney sakic juneau hull andreychuk fleury francis housley ciccarelli damphousse hawerchuk shanahan muller jagr modano messier sanderson reichel bellows fedorov thomas coffey kurri bradley brind amour ronning bondra cassels murphy bourque granato verbeek ridley duchesne lemieux suter lebeau roberts semak hatcher hunter courtnall brown ricci kisio craven courtnall nolan king amonte gagner lindros hogue nieuwendyk pivonka borschevsky dahlen richer emerson nedved chelios carson zhamnov kvartalnov steen linden mullen larmer donnelly kovalenko gartner khristich sheppard garpenlov iafrate gretzky zalapski graves anderson zelepukin maciver dineen chiasson ysebaert galley mceachern nicholls 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godynyuk rice murray wiemer berezan marois mallette hynes gilhen chase vukota zettler lafreniere propp belanger kerr shuchuk bergland vaske carney dinnen albelin patterson ladouceur russell lang lipuma brown kozlov savage bruce byers conroy allen richer wolanin leach prokhorov kruse richter bawa osiecki matvichuk pedersen jennings essensa mckim faust smolinski fogarty hervey picard reese romaniuk thompson pilon giles baron cheveldae hankinson mcdougall felsner ruff petrov black morris walter hrivnak wakaluk dufresne cronin smyth hrudey marsh casey berry ranford belfour rivers forslund capuano djoos cummins otevrel kolstad osborne wood brickley eakins simon bennett gillis carlyle nylund blue watters woolley whitmore stauber young roussel twist fiset jablonski soderstrom healy burke hextall vernon joseph brown grimson barnaby ratushny zholtok sullivan duncanson beaufait bowen macdonald esau smith vial brown draper karpa tichy gosselin fortier hayward mcgill bergeron potvin berthiaume racicot wregget ciccone puppa hackett fitzpatrick billington potvin vanbiesbrouk mclean moog beaupre baumgartner bales burridge chabot alessio littman parks semchuk amour cimellaro cote marcinyshyn neill raglan williams charron ciavaglia cloutier hamr wamsley hirsch connor messier knickle chapdelaine shannon agnew waite langway riendeau hebert tabaracci tugnutt caufield hasek pietrangelo irbe terreri fuhr sidorkiewicz maurice richard 
bruins canadiens lines pederson neely trade bruins received number round draft pick play great year wesley decent defenseman bruins pederson back eventually ellis bruins umaine black bears number hockey east regulars season champions hockey east tournament champions paul kariya hobey baker award winner ncaa hockey tournament champions ggoo bblluuee 
keenan signs walsh lines read boston globe confirming denying walsh rangers organizations assistant coach keenan talked walsh past kariya coaching worlds funny guess watch ferraro brothers walsh keenan walsh raise walsh mention nice career move york hear ellis bruins umaine black bears number hockey east regulars season champions hockey east tournament champions paul kariya hobey baker award winner ncaa hockey tournament champions ggoo bblluuee 
conf names organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury distribution lines jwodzia uucp john wodziak writes roger basketbal means hopes fans american southeast follow names divisions odds people displaced notherners fans order proverbial snowball hell clear asked somone heard hockey played smythe division response asked person played west division naming divisions long dead entrepreneurs unnecessary obfuscation glad names changed reason names patrick smythe norris adams campbell names called builders game type thinking stein hall fame absolute nonsense real builders game richard morenz howe conacher divisions people divisions people deserve people deserve recognigtion hockey greats division names account messers patrick norris smythe prince alot origins league people established situation easier element change established situation existed prior smythe stanley challenge trophy grabs team successfully mount challenge dear founders formalize challenge created closed league oligop olistic professional system interests making money wheth system contributed hockey debatable stuck invention bate academic point made people played hockey people enjoyed watching hockey long smythe pals showed standout existing situation creates situation honor players bobby find reason torphy offensive defenseman wrong defenceman period defenceman player bruce norris contribution significant bobby interests education poll find people norris reasons gave boat jason grew current divisonal names learned years played division year american learn hard occasional pick plays division feel make effort remember vancouver plays west division pacific intuitively understandable moniker chosen point intention alert erosion purity hockey part played whites european extraction case maple leafs fans biased closed minded ignorant neatly deleted jason jingoistic rant game losing canadianization quoting context erode credibility mine position progressive biased closed minded norant arrogant grant arrogant moronic basketball voices opinion likes senerio antartica insult nice john flame effective display intelligence earn target respect cordially roger maynard maynard laurentian 
team pool tabulations nntp posting host lamar acns colostate organization colorado state university fort collins lines people entered year team pool summary picked round pittsburgh jersey chicago louis boston buffalo vancouver winnipeg calgary angeles detroit toronto washington york islanders people picked jersey quebec montreal round pittsburgh washington york islanders boston quebec montreal detroit chicago toronto calgary vancouver angeles winnipeg round pittsburgh boston quebec washington detroit chicago toronto vancouver calgary angeles finals pittsburgh boston detroit toronto quebec angeles chicago good luck mike burger canada includes quebec ontario colostate maritimes prairies florida beginning computing stud months year students served royal canadian farce university michigan colorado state university 
official shorthanded goal totals nntp posting host camelot bradley organization bradley university distribution lines shorthanded goal totals players season finish rotisserie stats make complete 
predictions classic playoff year organization geophysics astronomy vancouver canada lines distribution world reply holland nntp posting host crisium astro article paul writes stanley finals toronto maple leafs montreal canadiens classic stanley final matchup montreal wins stanley game double overtime finished laughing thought great final canadian teams lots tradition cherry nonsense nail biter finish prefer vancouver montreal final vancouver scoring final goal pity happen steve holland 
hockey organization senior economics carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply fine year history close tonight minnesota north stars norm stars whichever prefer lost wings score stars goals scored mike mcphee dahlen netted including final franchise history minute play shame lost fine team hockey markets country north stars tradition years thrown oblivion hands crappy owner install expansion franchise twin cities years case lost north stars move 
canadian team nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall lines stanford nelson writes centers mark messier rangers messier invited nagging injuries press made issue attempted link rangers internal political woes mike keenan repeated messier personally press conference makes sense messier declined invitation made publicity souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
difficult penguin tickets nntp posting host bottom magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines subject line terribly difficult tickets penguins games playoffs easy find scalpers igloo selling tickets dean money dmoney ohio state 
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blues pull lines left blues predicted place blues game hawks stab face wake playoffs robbie penguins naturally patrick division semi stanley wait penguins devils champions possibility penguins lead straight wins strong resemblance 
playoff pool entry form organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn entered entries people enter deadline today sunday april interest fairness feel picks rigged declare winner series pick games division semifinals pittsburgh jersey pittsburgh washington islanders islanders boston buffalo boston quebec montreal quebec chicago louis chicago detroit toronto detroit vancouver winnipeg winnipeg calgary angeles calgary division finals patrick pittsburgh adams quebec norris chicago smythe calgary conference finals wales pittsburgh campbell chicago stanley winner pittsburgh keith keller rangers quakers kkeller upenn league champs opinion give 
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breaker isles devils nntp posting host vccsouth reply wangr organization rensselaer polytechnic institute troy lines people stupid breaker record people soo stuppid list breaker breaker record thought people good hockey great math teams ahve points record retard people breaker 
blues steal game hawks keywords blues hull shanahan joseph blackhawks belfour nntp posting host organization washington university louis lines blues scored power play goals seconds period beat chicago blackhawks sunday afternoon chicago stadium brendan shanahan tied game brett hull scored game winner seconds jeff brown denny felsner scored blues goals brian noonan trick hawks good goaltending belfour blues goalie curtis joseph solid stretch preserve blues lead hawks strong period outshooting blues taking lead noonan goal interference penalty rick zombo expired keith brown intercepted clearing attempt blue line passed puck steve larmer circle larmer fired long slap shot noonan deflected puck joseph pads goal blues picked intensity outshoot hawks period jeff brown tied game nelson emerson broke left side craig muni pushed puck slot belfour play pass shoveled boards brown collected slapped belfour back goal minutes hawks power play belfour stopped rich sutter short handed break chris chelios picked puck passed jeremy roenick carried wing found open noonan nice pass slot noonan fired past joseph lead noonan completed trick increase hawks lead stephane matteau made nice pass boards noonan beat stephane quintal driving joseph chance noonan deflected puck denny felsner reduced blues deficit picking rebound basil mcrae slap shot slot janney mcrae shot puck sailed wide bounced boards felsner felsner sticked rebound partially open blues outshot hawks period blackhawks leading stephane matteau picked high sticking penalty seconds power play steve smith called slashing giving blues advantage blues waste time brendan shanahan scored seconds advantage game janney found hull slot hull fired rocket belfour jeff brown collected rebound passed shanahan left circle shanahan beat belfour sharp angle seconds hull scored game winner blues nelson emerson broke wing carried puck hawks defensemen emerson made nice pass unchecked hull slot hull beat belfour blues hawks chances game final minutes joseph made brilliant saves prevent hawks scoring stopped troy murray point blank crease left game blues killed late hawks power play rich sutter clearing puck hand trickling goal line blues held game hawks oushot blues period totaling shots goal team blues special teams excellent game blues killed hawks power plays scored power play chances blues ranked special teams league rank penalty killing power play game carried live time game star game shown network television carried game stanley finals series continues wednesday chicago friday sunday louis score blues blackhawks blues chicago period noonan larmer brown penalties shanahan holding zombo interference murphy high sticking grimson boarding zombo holding period brown shanahan emerson noonan roenick chelios noonan matteau sutter felsner mcrae janney penalties baron interference wilson tripping period shanahan brown hull hull emerson brown penalties shanahan roughing matteau high sticking smith slashing baron roughing shots goal blues chicago power play opportunities louis chicago goaltenders louis joseph shots saves chicago belfour referee kerry fraser linesmen kevin collins brian murphy ashkar contact blues saint louis wustl blues 
breaker isles devils organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury lines wangr wang writes great math teams ahve points record retard people breaker smileys figure poster wordprocessor smarter great math cordially maynard laurentian morons time 
aargh great hockey coverage devils lines article columbia gary dare locked waiting tape delay start disappointed lemieux tocchet mullen tippett jagr buzzed friend forgot scored mullen goal scored lemieux tocchet tippett jagr funny part jagr part chalantly process scoring question coverage scale give games louis area nice devils starting playoffs network television playoff game preempted wabc early season yankees baseball game stupid complain television network pirates game penguins game time year pittsburghers surely raise hell texas rangers delaying tape delay half hour ballgame highlights texas good start pull year whoops belongs sport baseball robbie penguins naturally patrick division semi stanley wait penguins devils champions possibility penguins lead straight wins strong resemblance 
place lines article vzhivov carleton vladimir zhivov robbie writes wings maple leafs maple leafs comment kind tough rely yzerman team main weapon great palyer dino choking puts burden steve potvin hell season goaltending playoffs great prognosticator remember playoff history dino shows playoffs great sleeper pick pools forget fedorov players imho coffey stanley rings active players correct wrong wings cakewalk yeah dino caps patrick division choked games year swept round years rarely makes division canucks jets canucks comment vancouver selanne king domi enforcing winnipeg game canucks number canuck playing shit winnipeg vancouver manage slip islanders pull vancouver winnipeg number matter flames kings flames comment games good kings battle flames back running memories year season gretzky tear surrounding kings kings battle kings play game difference battling pulling calgary pull robbie penguins naturally patrick division semi stanley wait penguins devils champions possibility penguins lead straight wins strong resemblance 
daigle kariya organization massachusetts institute technology lines distribution world nntp posting host hear daigle pick year word kariya play entering draft 
umass east hockey underway organization dept umass amherst lines nntp posting host gaia umass summary umass hires head coach season keywords umass minutemen mallen newsreader version mission revive hockey umass underway saturday afternoon press conference held mullins center arena boston college asst coach mallen awarded year year contract head coach umass minutemen mallen viable pick position jeff jackson lake superior shawn walsh umaine previous offers position rumored offered asst coaches brown head coach springfield indians umass hockey disbanded financial constraints undermined team position period years late november year million mullins sports center opened year construction deadline minutemen slated play independent schedule upcoming winter officially entering hockey east winter season mallen comment player recruitment strategies potential team candidates minutemen expected leverage inside contacts england state europe draw competitive players university umass slated hockey scholarships upcoming fall semester expect hear hear sources doyle univ massachusetts dept computer science staff programmer puma cnet email doyle umass office lederle room home blackberry amherst 
difficult penguin tickets organization university pittsburgh lines article dmoney ohio state dean money writes subject line terribly difficult tickets penguins games playoffs easy find scalpers igloo selling tickets scalpers tickets arena bucks extra find street message board street front hyatt gate money regular season find face wait game time pick earlier rick 
breaker isles devils nntp posting host data umanitoba organization university manitoba winnipeg canada lines wangr wang writes people stupid breaker record people soo stuppid list breaker breaker record thought people good hockey great math teams ahve points record retard people breaker devils islanders points team record points total islanders devils records simple arithmetics involve calculus john computer science graduate pretends mathematican 
bruins canadiens organization university waterloo lines article jack petrilli jack petrilli writes april richard richard wernick wrote boston sinden find screwing good boston team fire suter trade vital star admittedly trades good long luck runs starts making esposito ratelle type trades trade recall ratelle middleton making pretty good centre wing combination bruins brad park deal lost vadnais trade bruins finals semi final lost montreal doubt keeping esposito made difference series rangers years boston matter riston riston 
team milwaukee lines jason wisconsin close relatives live port washington minutes north milwaukee visit city regularly bradley times admirals play ncaa hockey championships beautiful building pettits city promote facility hockey north america happen admirals milwaukee acquire franchise word team move green play brown county arena admirals independent franchise people milwaukee supporting games crowds numbers teams islanders hartford jersey envious nights fact city able support minor league franchise glamour club affiliated testimony amount hockey interest exists city sincerely martin hill sault marie home lssu lakers attendance figures milwaukee stacks cities atlanta phoenix diego cleveland cincinnati reply 
conf names distribution organization uiuc department psychology lines maynard laurentian roger maynard writes jason gibson writes live made playoff format change change division conference names annoys batman night changing names make game easier occasional follow meant changing names make game easier americans hockey cities follow friends hard time teams division minimal amount exposure game person quickly pick wrong making game easier americans follow fans merrier dislike occasional chance fans fanatics glad names changed reason names patrick smythe norris adams campbell names called builders game type thinking stein hall fame absolute nonsense real builders game richard morenz howe conacher divisions people divisions people deserve incorrect roger patrick smythe adams played coached league front office types build league great players agree people trouble names easily processed fans changing names easily processed reasonable idea people arena door uncomplicated realize great game hockey teach abotu history game history names succinctly aforemen tioned game hockey make money imagine pocklington division ballard division green division ballard division owners assholes management people assholes fallacious conn smythe classy individual heard point professional hockey make money involved include players players made money players make game great people naming division management people players adding insult form lesser recognition injury money deserved evan pritchard number depending hockey pool epritcha uiuc 
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conf names organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury distribution lines epritcha psych uiuc evan pritchard writes incorrect roger patrick smythe adams played coached league front office types build league great players punch imlach contributions coach greater combined division trophy smythe norris bunch honoured purely powerful owners owners build league developed game question altogether honour contributed league evolution honour contributed glory sport agree people trouble names easily processed fans changing names easily processed reasonable idea people arena door uncomplicated realize great game hockey teach abotu history game disagree history names succinctly aforemen tioned game hockey make money imagine pocklington division ballard division green division ballard division owners assholes management people assholes fallacious conn smythe classy individual heard heard major definitive asshole originated phrase beat alley beat idea hockey chance cherry classy individual point professional hockey make money involved include players players made money players make game great people naming division management people players adding insult form lesser recognition injury money deserved money issue irrelevant point agree players make game great people true naming divisions trophies smythe bunch kind nepotism stein hall fame thought nonsense cordially maynard laurentian morons time 
conf names organization simon fraser university burnaby canada distribution lines epritcha psych uiuc evan pritchard writes ballard division owners assholes management people assholes fallacious conn smythe classy individual heard depends classy heard classy harold ballard difference back owners comparison read book worth view smythe norris adams campbell point professional hockey make money involved include players players made money players make game great people naming division management people players adding insult form lesser recognition injury money deserved specifically roger previously people made league great divisions conferences named morenz vezina howe people make great chosen immortalize rich made game great chris roney mail chris roney 
numerical nothingness nntp posting host organization washington university louis lines article carleton wilson writes mario averaged points game antigretz gretzky averaged game mario projected games points beats wayne record check information posting gretzky record games games points games gretzky total projected points pitt winning percentage mario games points record year canadiens percentage games bruins winning percentage canadiens percentage record wilson carleton ashkar contact blues saint louis wustl blues 
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rangers keenan coach keywords hockey professional nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall lines clarinews writes clari sports hockey york mike keenan coaching history wear impressive penchant winning city embraces victors news coming thursday effectively robbed islanders devils airtime sports talk shows sampled fact playoffs exist ranger fans calling wfan york midnight sports talk fury season orgasm keenan hiring summarizing keenan winner give broadway bums business pursuing chase chicago blackhawks keenan forced general manager november chicago coaching duties year thirst power increases pressure beleaguered rangers neil smith interesting combination watch keenan paid money shut coach advice player moves listened closely player moves happen remember keenan denis savard country club days keenan left chicago coach smith indication market feared happen paramount smith earlier sign support offered keenan money shut back january rangers heading golf keenan takes demoralized team offers chance fashion reclamation projects highest salary commanded coach rangers owned gulf western bestowed keenan unprecedented million year deal mike long time messier canada cups finals times miss element stanley person years years changed bettered experience keenan statements reaffirmation mark messier team captain timing move rangers coach months prepare draft june neil smith back trade happy pattern smith bargains keenan advice unloading phil bourque domi souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
canada organization simon fraser university burnaby canada lines coverage kings flames game supposed shown overriding coverage flipped commentators commercials question real coverage black coverage comment great chance double headers toronto detroit vancouver winnipeg today east leafs west vancouver game thought show godfather 
college hockey star game lines details shriners star game featured seniors college hockey game orono maine reply 
corrections playoff predictions organization university waterloo lines read predictions correct patrick division midnight monday time correct games pittsburgh jersey york islanders washington patrick division winner wales conference winner stanley winner forward corrections richard madison rrmadiso uwaterloo pens isles devils caps pens devils 
smoking wasre predictions classic playoff year organization bgsu lines norris division intense series watch potvin settling nicely point vancouver toronto toronto potvin series kills stanley finals toronto maple leafs montreal canadiens classic stanley final matchup montreal wins stanley game double overtime potvin spectacular series share series vincent damphouse nets game winner brilliant pass brian bellows canadiens star denis savard watched buddies play owners nursing splinter thumb left disabled list game playoffs aww shucks paul hard habs living hard leafs fans speaking hard read died hard laughing toronto finals planet heard team detroit morgani spell idiot chicago espn close chicago definatly norris division playoffs team close picking chicago easy choice chicago wings division point closely toronto good team leafs beating detroit doubt chicago amazingly past hawks face vancouver lose habs reaching finals forget devoted wings watch penguins easily peat winners lemieux jagr tocchet stevens barrasso deal detroit wait year paul picks opinnions leafs finals yeah make walk toronto tickets mile walk ryan detroit wings forgotten team wings hope penguins early 
team captains organization schlumberger arbor michigan summary team captains selected lines mist rangers soap captain nemesis coach roger nebula blood bath high hopes turned coach klean commissar keenan procedures hockey teams select captains including selected coaching staff players vote captain appointed management subject captain traded resigned striped title season team captain trivia appreciated mike 
team captains organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury lines colling arbor applicon michael collingridge writes subject captain traded resigned striped title season leafs kind comical imlach darryl sittler called cancer team tore sweater leafs captain sittler eventually ended philly promised philly captaincy sittler friend bobby clarke sittler traded detroit rick vaive leaf captain awhile slept captaincy traded chicago doug carpenter tenure leaf coach attempt kiss sulking gary leeman leafs brad marsh give leeman leeman give back marsh story remember captain concerned bridgman late senators philadelphia bobby clarke arguably great captains time bumped status playing coach relinquish captaincy bridgman captain reporter asked flyer bridgman captain clarke undisputed leader players reporter told bridgman charge making soap dispensers showers full cordially maynard laurentian morons time 
breaker isles devils organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn article wangr writes people stupid breaker record people soo stuppid list breaker breaker record thought people good hockey great math teams ahve points record retard people breaker golly love stupid people listen hockey precise exist things called ties occurs game ends score team equal team point exits things called wins team higher score opponent yeah teams play time opponent team points team record wins losses ties team record wins losses ties team points team points number points number wins amazing people talk wins tiebreaker means team tiebreaker record teams number points understand post back read slowly keith keller rangers quakers kkeller upenn league champs opinion give 
tlanta hockey hell organization post office carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew pretty pissed local coverage half hour coverage playing david brinkley earlier time slot understand problem didnt people watch game decide show game showed remaining hours game hurt play david brinkley regular time dont decent programming noon called sports dept blasted machine called gain picked asked premepted half hour stanley playoffs confused explained detail upto programming dept call back monday weel understand sports dept responsible preemption understand sports dept recognise playoffs shown station works call tomorrow blast phone urge atlanta hockey fans call thing weeks pravin ratnam pens rule 
oops organization university toronto epas nntp posting host epas utoronto lines picture habs couple minutes game leading nords power play pull hextall goal bout minute overtime dream chili peppers song give give give suppose watch leafs tomorrow night smilies female hockey world susan carroll clark sclark utoronto 
nords habs robbed lines nntp posting host mcgill organization mcgill university aargh paul stewart worst biased presently called total penalties habs nordiques nords penalty stewart nordique call penalties habs letting nords murder robbed excellent game plenty rushes tremendous goalkeeping nords tied minute lebeau serving penalty mind stewart calling penalty game fair nords caught hand cookie stewart turned cheek bastard patrick collapsed letting tieing goal shaky knees rest night winning goal wrong blaming loss stewart habs plenty chances capitalize muller leclair haller failed puck stewart matters bruins lost czar mainframe computing mcgill university sexy cobol habs beat nords expos hickory dickory good cock scary rinkled hairy smells year sock andrew dice clay disclaimer needless opinions expressed czar represent faculty staff students mcgill university 
hockey organization schlumberger arbor michigan summary norm greene happenings lines article alvstad admin stolaf reports fine year history close tonight minnesota north stars norm stars whichever prefer lost wings score stars goals scored mike mcphee dahlen netted including final franchise history minute play stories report norm farewell twin cities earlier post announced norm green midnight home game north stars cleanup belongings turn keys arena happen norm town rumor attempting remove score board score board fell flattened greedy large piece green paper arena management zamboni confiscated norm truck clean useless remains mike 
atlanta hockey hell nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall lines mamatha devineni ratnam writes understand sports dept recognise playoffs shown station works year york teams playoffs cableco operator scny shared channel forgot throw switch talking nice back american network faces problems star game local preemptions promotion watch foaming league made solid cable networks year espn contract saturation coverage games shown completion quebec montreal sabres bruins overtimes missed souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
flames brutal loss organization carleton university lines subject suggests flames impressive afternoon dropping decision kings flames neglected show zone kings posts flames line skrudland paslawski berube tells flames gary suter scored great goal fact flame goals scored yawney dahlquist made bonehead plays kings conacher impressive games chippy mirouelli lost control early recovered high sticks cross checks punches hits fleury game misconduct rubbing warren rychel flames dominated game physically failed advantage horrendous defensive lapses vernon blamed goals calgary roger johansson played looked lost imho hope king inserts chris lindbergh paul kruse sergei makarov wednesday game gretzky left game period charley horse idea return flames series buckle vlad impaler 
playoff pool update organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn compiled statistics entries pool unofficially entrants stats teams picked pittsburgh sweep boston detroit montreal toronto roger calgary quebec vancouver washington hell picked chicago quebec pick detroit absolutely chicago losers detroit chicago pittsburgh vancouver boston calgary angeles toronto angeles mind good luck pittsburgh consensus winner stanley statistically beat detroit games happening picks true picked chicago lose pittsburgh finals tough luck picket detroit tough luck genius keith keller rangers quakers kkeller upenn league champs vegetarian dish keith keller 
flames brutal loss nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall distribution lines game great part double header espn league able push back back wins magnifique great network areas hard justify channel souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
canadian team organization university toronto chemistry department lines article columbia gary dare writes stanford nelson writes centers mark messier rangers messier invited nagging injuries press made issue attempted link rangers internal political woes mike keenan repeated messier personally press conference makes sense messier declined invitation made publicity messier invited declined nagging injuries keenan messier keenan dumped steve yzerman canada team yzerman endured training camp messier missed essentially entire camp recovering injuries moment gerald 
daigle kariya organization university toronto chemistry department lines article ddlin david writes hear daigle pick year word kariya play entering draft people concerned kariya size leads teams championships world junior college collects awards watching interest perform left wing eric lindros mark recchi world championships months chances good probable great world championship daigle pronger gerald 
octopus detroit lines detroit octopus symbol days league original teams made playoffs team game series words playoff wins octopus legs common detroit symbol year playoff time people start sneaking octopus octopi louis arena throwing mail jold 
cherry coach corner summary april nntp posting host lina ualberta organization university alberta edmonton canada lines summary cherry coach corner april place intermission game montreal quebec series game comments pregame comments aimed goalies goalie back star form hextall series team eposode summary episode place rinkside holding bought concession stand maclean started showing cartoon appeared toronto featured picture shadow proclaimed means weeks beauty talked holding dogs quebec stadium food arenas commented quebec montreal game game great flow referee paul stewart calls game contrast calgary game terrible stop minutes penalties called calgary marouelli calls penalties finals showed picture playing rochester americans recalled wins quebec arena memorial championships finally discussed keenan coach rangers rangers talented team underachieved feels temporary coach smith injuries leetch patrick goalies cold criticism rangers team party adolf keenan rangers organization longer country club achamed tank adolf hanging yardarm thumbs rating special episode give allan sullivan allan ualberta department computing science university alberta edmonton alberta canada opinions mine mine amazing accomplished cares credit golden bears hockey motto drake 
flames brutal loss organization university toronto chemistry department lines article vzhivov carleton vladimir zhivov writes subject suggests flames impressive afternoon dropping decision kings flames neglected show zone kings posts flames line mike vernon wins losses star game debacle afternoon games career afternoon game angeles sunday deal doomed flames gerald 
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canada organization malaspina college lines article boora godfather writes coverage kings flames game supposed shown overriding coverage flipped commentators commercials question real coverage black coverage nanaimo vancouver island furriners coverage komo depends cable company started switching broadcasts finally settled stand whitman michaels decent play pretty knew players names made couple rookie mistakes noticed thing surprised attempted explain offside rule paranoid happening department fights game couple occasions looked fight start times show closeup coach mcnall decided adopt spicer policy lorne 
blackhawks lines organization university waterloo article jbrown muskingum writes hawks jermey roenick scored goal hawks leafs place losers column leafs beat hawks match meaning hate wings laugh jerky hawks gotta hawks beat blues game significant wait blues toronto hawks deserved game watching roar leaf alfred yong mathematics actuarial science university waterloo canada mail ayim waterloo 
wings nntp posting host hudson uvic reply gballent uvic organization university victoria victoria canada lines article oakland ragraca oakland randy graca writes hard time pittsburgh face finals detroit sportswriters predicting bryan murray hockey figure bryan murray wings pretty good team contending stanley looked pretty good team contending stanley great able make moves push team upper echelon stanley good murray maintain team success push level history hockey murray murray league today fails comparison sinden sather savard caron fletcher quinn estimation imagine bryan murray hockey gregmeister 
thumbs espn organization purdue university lines wustl joseph charles achkar writes nice espn show game wings leafs cubs astros rained showing baseball game decided stanley playoffs classy move espn indiana showed tape delay chicago boston rainout cubs showed reruns hitchcock hockey part state aeros neath kinds people world neath purdue cretins fools morons lunatics 
expanding europe dusseldorf reply pkortela message organization akademi university finland news reader news lines pkortela writes german born forwards team fact majority players german born average spectator arena interesting german friends robert told forwards canadian germans sort european league site list switzerland berne zurich lugano north america doubt city support team switzerland judged large city small distances cities germany dusseldorf cologne berlin munich mannheim rosenheim dusseldorf arena anachronism open wall goals essentially outdoor arena cologne arena seats berlin facility built olympic successful munich arena sweden stockholm gothenburg malmo gavle malmo arena current seats finland helsinki turku tampere talking helsinki struggle make work turku excellent arena tampere major league hockey italy milan rome south question africa hockey fans romans chance host games showed interest whatsoever teams italian league milan smaller cities north france paris chamonix ruoen paris volans francais team couple years made european club championship finals tournament year eventually folded lower hoped attendances remaining cities small support minor sport hockey norway oslo austria vienna villach chech prag slovakia bratislava russia moscow petersburg easter cities lack money infrastructure support hockey great britain european teams tampa lightning playing small seat arena backed japanese money enthusiasts phil esposito heavy marketing fans difficulty telling icing means london mentioned sheffield birmingham large arenas mega facility seats built bristol couple years netherlands facilities speak biggest arena eindhoven seats fans hockey petteri kortelainen marcu 
minus stat organization university western ontario nntp posting host business lines roger maynard shares views masses gainey life general gballent uvic greg ballentine writes selke candidate forwards main purpose shift prevent goals scored score lemieux gilmour play number purpose score defence secondary line plays defensive selke candidates gainey defensive forward stand assessment good player belongs hall fame watch play made technical error watched entire career player includes russell courtnall davie keon screw breakaways gainey forget time denis potvin caught gainey head sold bill goods gainey bryan trottier denis potvin vicious boarding trottier major roger hell gainey skill hockey player probert smashes gilmour head boards week diminish assessment gilmour skills gainey plugger press runs things stars dynasties start hype pluggers grant fuhr essa tikkannen butch goring nystrom gainey doug jarvis derek sanderson wayne cashman baun pulford ralph backstrom henri richard dick duff fuhr sanderson gainey honoured included list naive view wins hockey game pluggers integral part team selke designed acknowledge contribution people understand nobel prize settle cordially roger maynard maynard laurentian congenially james david david business david business james david western business school london ontario 
rangers give blackeye organization university toronto chemistry department lines news reports toronto rangers insisting kovalev zubov andersson play binghampton calder playoffs return play home countries world championships shame rangers black europe gerald 
playoff predictions organization university waterloo lines predictions laugh hysterically save laugh pool prizes love bragging rights winner takes sort scoring system thinking round victories alot ties ideas buffalo montreal pittsburgh washington chicago toronto winnipeg angeles montreal pittsburgh chicago winnipeg montreal chicago montreal richard madison rrmadiso uwaterloo 
calder playoff preview organization clarkson university lines nntp posting host logic clarkson newsreader version daryl turner umturne umanitoba wrote article farenebt camp clarkson droopy writes atlantic division john maple leafs moncton hawks moncton hawks islanders moncton similar team scoring defensive good goaltending john leblanc barnes noticable guns team defense notch mike neill underrated goalie league february michael neill underrated goalie winnipeg jets injury list start ottawa senators year surgery repair shoulder separation barnes hawks line center jets january memory thought neill back february incorrect info guess moncton barnes scorers january farenell farenebt camp clarkson ecac contact sport hockey hockey adirondack wings calder champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champs glens falls high hockey division state champs fans join mailing list news request congrats boston bruins adams division champions phoenix suns pacific division champions 
individual winners doubters summary picks organization northern telecom network application systems lines mentioned article migod toronto mike godfrey writes lemieux question chip masterson selanne wins calder chelios norris asked days agree give raymond bourque play time chelios close dunno wins vezina suspect potvin barrasso finally close eddie eagle coach year tricky burns talent king good flames underachieved year brian sutter exceptionally year team ditto demers page blessed ripening acquisition young talent darryl sutter good year rookie coach berry made situation terry crisp worked minor miracles bowman bowman pick burns mildly biased case bias acceptable mine shows norris pick impressed coaches mentioned pick arbour folks thought isles playoffs contend division granted cousins broadway islanders mowing lawn mike godfrey david kehrer northern telecom rochester york pieces pizza dinner wife remember pizza jacques demers 
coverage europe originator tervo organization university kuopio finland lines vielen dank desperate sweden finland finished gothenburg 
espn tonight organization rose hulman institute technology lines reply swartzjh rose hulman nntp posting host hydra rose hulman heard game espn showing tonight show game means playoff wise assume blues tampa game minnesota wings game heard jeff swartz 
patrick division correction originator fmsalvat ncsu reply fmsalvat ncsu frank michae salvatore organization north carolina state university project lines article robbie writes predictions count devils scoring goals tonight streak count islanders point whalers games isles capitals predicitons penguins islanders penguins capitals devils devils predictions heed predict proper matchups forecasting weather frank salvatore fmsalvat ncsu 
minus stat organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury lines david business james david writes bryan trottier denis potvin vicious boarding trottier major trottier happened habs goal recall gainey simply head picking puck roger hell gainey skill hockey player probert smashes gilmour head boards week diminish assessment gilmour skills gilmour completely surprise gainey yeah doug playing technically smart hockey case claim greg gainey made technical mistake absolutely ludicrous gainey plugger press runs things stars dynasties start hype pluggers grant fuhr essa tikkannen butch goring nystrom gainey doug jarvis derek sanderson wayne cashman baun pulford ralph backstrom henri richard dick duff fuhr sanderson good displaying ignorance gainey honoured included gainey feel honoured remembered list naive view wins hockey game pluggers integral part pluggers integral part team simply solid players checking centre doug gilmour doug jarvis matter gretzky mario checking centres gretzky cover gainey team selke designed acknowledge contribution people understand nobel prize settle wrong selke awarded forward defensively plugger gilmour defensive league running simply contributes offen sively settle likened selke nobel prize suggest settle words mouth suggest settle bother postings congenially james david david business developing style imitation sincerest form flattery flattery intention cordially roger maynard maynard laurentian 
european expansion cked system organization dalhousie university halifax nova scotia canada lines talking european expansion thinking wishful thoughts totally ball league format incompatible europe teams lower divisions promoted worst demoted european fans paid play attitude long support teams ranger based corporate thinking term lightly good product duffuses fill arena ottawa record year hockey sports similar system europe teams rangers forced compete demoted fourth division teams centres halifax adirondack halifax good eventually promoted team competetive division unlike ottawa edmonton fans eventually rewarded loyalty penalized neglect league interesting dynamic year influx newly promoted teams halifax citadels stanley dream british european soccer problems thinks system sucks barfly feel free flame account ends today hahahaha 
rangers keywords rangers organization panix public access unix lines kkeller upenn keith keller writes carol head coach head coach time back real hockey hmm make comment alexei kovalev rangers signed domi play line stays minors time time neilson smith decision play kovalev good player stranded fourth line produce sound familiar darren turcotte neilson smith kovalev magical lets pens 
broadcast originator tervo organization central army soviet union lines german satellite channels show world championship action dusseldorf munich able root machine russians world title nordiques 
flyers year biggest worst opinion organization distribution keywords awards lines article joseph dakes writes article seth peter clark writes roussel giving goal game facing proportional number shots number minutes played checked faced lower quality opponent make half goal game lower quality opponet argument immaterial roussel soderstrom matter dineen decision words roussel shuts sharks soderstrom shuts penguins immaterial coaches decision played significant played irrelevent good teams teams context comparing goaltenders higher good teams higher teams context comparing goaltenders fact matter nights shutout takes night inept ranger team roussel skill shot passes stops shoots roussel pete rangers inept shutout shutout soderstrom masterpieces toronto mike emerich quoted leafs offensive firepower past line make soderstrom shutouts impressive toronto lack offense absolutely context comparing goaltenders season points points matter score sheets shutouts shutouts coach deciding goalies make trade deeper stat sheets toronto game defensive masterpiece game judge tommy soderstrom tested roussel ranger game real scoring chances made great play saved mistake player judging roussel game habs goalie stand head shutout goalie action roussel game back november roussel goalie soderstrom treated heart ailment flyers finished november knowing flyers finished soderstom wearing oragne black glad find anytime hell player roussel takes outperformed hextall season make flyers management flyers management thing roussel good side interviews time farwell asked happy good goaltenders tommy tommy yeah played final card monday night team picture chance flyers hall fame kinda dull handed team picture walked pizza picture sold programs season names benning kasper flyers choose fans received shirts backs winning recchi jersey breaking club single season point record nice knowing luck roussel random seat locations autographs team photos method guards people things lindros pictures surely hands autographed picture hold buddies pete clark 
goalie masks organization dalhousie university halifax nova scotia canada lines article gatech hrivnak writes starting informal poll goalie masks mask curtis joseph blues send nominations post vote mail adress gatech time mask drawings band aids puck goalie stopped face head remember games funniest mask funny cool skins question emotional music braves effect mike patton faith hornets capitals mike friedman hrivnak internet gatech barfly 
minus stat nntp posting host hudson uvic reply gballent uvic organization university victoria victoria canada lines article laurentian maynard laurentian roger maynard writes pluggers integral part team simply solid players checking centre doug gilmour doug jarvis matter gretzky mario checking centres gretzky cover gainey gretzky lemieux gilmour play role checking centreman play offensive role opposed defensive defensive centres waste offensive abilities compare gretzky jarvis gainey comparing apples oranges telling felix potvin good team lemieux lemieux player type player team successful types players includes defensive forwards compared defensive forwards gainey greatest defensive forward player talents suited defensive forward completely dominated game played talented player gretzky decided waste offensive talents play defensively defensive forward wasn gainey defensive forward played hockey gregmeister 
real caps chance reply filinuk dccs upenn geoff filinuk organization university pennsylvania lines nntp posting host staff dccs upenn believes caps beat pens kidding pens loose game playoffs geoff filinuk flyers 
individual winners doubters organization carleton university lines dave kehrer writes mentioned article migod toronto mike godfrey writes chelios norris asked days agree give raymond bourque play time chelios close kevin hatcher scored roughly goals plays minutes game dunno wins vezina suspect potvin barrasso finally close eddie eagle rate goalies barasso belfour main contenders vezina call crazy tommy soderstrom shutouts place team play defense unfortunate goalies league mclean essensa vernon unspectacular years award norris basis days give vezina moog goalie past month coach year tricky burns talent king good flames underachieved year brian sutter exceptionally year team ditto demers page blessed ripening acquisition young talent darryl sutter good year rookie coach berry made situation terry crisp worked minor miracles bowman bowman pick burns mildly biased case bias acceptable mine shows norris pick impressed coaches mentioned pick arbour folks thought isles playoffs contend division granted cousins broadway islanders mowing lawn arbour king burns playoffs consideration regular season beaten hartford playoffs vlad impaler 
david polie future organization george mason university fairfax lines article fmsalvat ncsu frank michae salvatore writes news patrick division year caps david polie reportedly front office polie fired years mediocrity frank david poile fault caps mired mediocrity long blame owner polin owns bullets capitals dumb selfish unwilling spend bucks order star landover teams stink heard capitals chance detroit steve yzerman summer pulled minute good afraid spend cash faithful hoping devilish dictator replaced frank salvatore fmsalvat ncsu tuan matter underwear cruise rain archmage orange black ugly george mason university dwells basement electrical engineering philadelphia flyers tals 
winning streaks organization university pittsburgh lines article robbie writes penguins game unbeaten streak carries season meaning start season game unbeaten streak eclipsed flyers record penguins game winning streak streaks carry year hmm true mike lang good stagie rest crews pittsburgh winning streak stopped regular season mark hold unbeaten streak regular season games playoff streak carry year edmonton record quote robbie penguins easy contact stanley greater rewards penn state lady lions champions mountains valleys straight wins 
minus stat organization malaspina college lines article gballent uvic greg ballentine writes article tele nokia hahietanen tele nokia writes article gballent uvic greg ballentine writes good stat stat aware takes account defensive play measure defensive play takes account offense defence aspects play interested real round players power play stats considered power play aspect play player evaluation tools good player score power plays advantage good power play scorers tend overrated point totals inflated power play points expose overrated players brett hull john cullen dave andreychuck opportunity play power play consistently player inflate totals gregmeister vancouver bure hard time scoring power play shorthanded goals goals 
playoff pool rules entry form organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn tentative rules season tentative entry form cares real hockey season starting deal email preferably post predictions number games series round weighted stanley finals important early rounds important scoring pick round winner games points pick round winner game points pick round winner pick games points pick round winner games points pick round winner game points pick round winner pick games points pick conference champ games points pick conference champ game points pick conference champ pick games points pick stanley champ games points pick stanley champ game points pick stanley champ pick games points pick loser series points pick loser series decided game points sympathy points happen picking stanley champion important tests format fair lazy modify scoring entry forms post long post keith keller rangers quakers kkeller upenn league champs opinion give 
entry form playoff pool organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn entry sheet mind spots decided change series pick games division semis islanders pittsburgh jersey washington buffalo boston montreal quebec louis chicago toronto detroit winnipeg vancouver angeles calgary division finals patrick adams norris smythe conference finals wales campbell stanley winner previous post scoring good luck keith keller rangers quakers kkeller upenn league champs opinion give 
bridgman organization gandalf data lines ottwawa senators fired bridgman today randy sexton replace stephane lacelle engineer insert gandalf data 
playoff telecasts atlanta organization lines nntp posting host gauss harvard article hammerl buffalo valerie hammerl writes personally prefer buffalo boston birthday gift espn folks espn accomodate espn inexplicable affinity patrick division happy birthday espn affinity patrick travel production costs week national hockey night affair espn owner capital cities company thrifty minimal overhead costs schoenfeld working doughnuts gary thorne bill clement based rest espn crew resides suburban close proximity state area makes sense terms solid hockey northeast corridor maryland adams american based teams buffalo hartford markets mark 
season review stuff organization clarkson university lines nntp posting host craft clarkson newsreader version review things affected year john maple leafs problems john maple leafs sophomore season plagued problems leafs atlantic division title happy strike public workers forced leafs newfoundland city half seaosn played home games places montreal cornwall charlottetown playoff home games played metro center halifax demostration violent workers attacked leafs rocked broke windows john memorial stadium problems toronto officials insist leafs return john strike ends senators sold haven senators sold peter shipman ottawa senators organization canadian team american affiliate made clear intend move team canadian atlantic provinces sale move approved head office expected pass easily general meeting quote story jack butterfield made clear league interested stability franchise accompanied ownership maintaining year history haven senators negotiations charlottetown brunswick expected move dallas helps hawks stay moncton announcing pull affiliation moncton winnipeg jets changed mind jets announced move slashing minor league roster dozen wanted share existing franchise enter dallas lone stars dallas agreed supply remaining players moncton franchise keeping hawks brunswick city deal year extended years season ticket base increases hawks sold year saint john flames official calgary flames officially signed deal city saint john saint john blue flames play exhibition center flames apply expansion frnachise expected trouble caps follow jacks maine rumors contrary capitals follow baltimore skipjacks maine caps current farm team baltimore skipjacks announced move maine portland pirates doubt caps follow announced limited deal portland supply dozen players including goalies team announce limited farm team moncton capital district islanders game week early january started game week game produced pyman productions televised canadian maritimes northeastern weeks games week canada sunday afternoon night games covered shown sportschannel atlantic sports network canada playoff games covered utica syracuse added heavy rumors utica devils season rumors headed midwestern city city syracuse lure year option option northern division southern division adirondack wings adirondack springfield indians springfield providence bruins providence islanders portland pirates hershey binghamton southern division rochester hershey bears hamilton binghamton rangers utica rochester americans hamilton canucks atlantic division utica devils portland john atlantic division saint john john maple leafs moncton moncton hawks halifax halifax citadels fredericton cape breton oilers cape breton fredericton canadiens charlottetown saint john blue flames charlottetown senators move unofficial farenell farenebt camp clarkson ecac contact sport hockey hockey adirondack wings calder champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champ glens falls high school division state champs join mailing list news request congrats clarkson golden knights hockey ecac champions 
news organization clarkson university lines nntp posting host logic clarkson newsreader version dallas helps hawks stay moncton announcing pull affiliation moncton winnipeg jets changed mind jets announced move slashing minor league roster dozen wanted share existing franchise enter dallas lone stars dallas agreed supply remaining players moncton franchise keeping hawks brunswick city deal year extended years season ticket base increases hawks sold year saint john flames official calgary flames officially signed deal city saint john saint john blue flames play exhibition center flames apply expansion frnachise expected trouble caps follow jacks maine rumors contrary capitals follow baltimore skipjacks maine caps current farm team baltimore skipjacks announced move maine portland pirates doubt caps follow announced limited deal portland supply dozen players including goalies team announce limited farm team moncton capital district islanders farenell farenebt camp clarkson ecac contact sport hockey hockey adirondack wings calder champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champs glens falls high hockey division state champs fans join mailing list news request congrats boston bruins adams division champions phoenix suns pacific division champions 
minus stat organization university western ontario nntp posting host business lines post newsgroups sport hockey maynard laurentian roger maynard subject minus stat organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury date david business james david writes bryan trottier denis potvin vicious boarding trottier major trottier happened habs goal recall gainey simply head picking puck roger hell gainey skill hockey player probert smashes gilmour head boards week diminish assessment gilmour skills gilmour completely surprise gainey yeah doug playing technically smart hockey case claim greg gainey made technical mistake absolutely ludicrous posting make reference putting words people mouths suggest paragraph interpreted greg claim gainey made technical mistake read written find make claim soo logic serves contradicting gainey plugger press runs things stars dynasties start hype pluggers grant fuhr essa tikkannen butch goring nystrom gainey doug jarvis derek sanderson wayne cashman baun pulford ralph backstrom henri richard dick duff fuhr sanderson good displaying ignorance roger ignorance function lack knowledge formulating opinion cheap shot means ahead makes feel gainey honoured included gainey feel honoured remembered word vehemence poor gainey bother effective player style play list naive view wins hockey game pluggers integral part pluggers integral part team simply solid players checking centre doug gilmour doug jarvis matter gretzky mario checking centres gretzky cover gainey roger lost completely jesus christ nets compare gainey carbonneau balanced comparison team selke designed acknowledge contribution people understand nobel prize settle wrong selke awarded forward defensively plugger gilmour defensive league running simply contributes offen sively wrong hmm wrong place guessing feeling setup wrong macro machine agree word plugger simplistic point gilmour potential selke winner part debate opinion deserving players include gilmour candidates settle likened selke nobel prize suggest settle words mouth suggest settle bother postings suggest comment press runs things stars dynasties start hype pluggers grant fuhr essa tikkannen butch goring nystrom gainey doug jarvis derek sanderson wayne cashman baun pulford ralph backstrom henri richard dick duff demonstrates blanket disregard individuals contributors game settle claimed hockey gods congenially james david david business developing style imitation sincerest form flattery flattery intention nice ring admit good laugh congenially james david david business david business james david western business school london ontario 
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team items nntp posting host magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines live desolate midwest hockey concerned sports stores carry hockey stuff jose tampa pittsburgh lucky chicago order phone order stores able contact dying real hockey stuff hats shirts chains teams edmonton montreal information mail directly appreciated good luck teams stanley playoffs edmonton year assult years hockey minutes great sport kevin frank kfrank ohio state 
crazy predictions organization dalhousie university halifax nova scotia canada lines crazy predictions true adams cakewalk bruins series round patrick wins fourth game grueling upset possibly game norris match keenan krew clark steps playoffs year smythe cares caught teemu mania sucks division finals killer games watch shine insane kill wins defense finally tired series conference finals beat play hope vernon turns sieve stanley totally teams dreams true evolve wings feel free laugh predictions barfly 
minus stat organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury lines david business james david writes gilmour completely surprise gainey yeah doug playing technically smart hockey case claim greg gainey made technical mistake absolutely ludicrous posting make reference putting words people mouths suggest paragraph interpreted greg claim gainey made technical mistake read written find make claim soo logic serves contradicting nonsense state greg made claim gainey made error made claim read sport hockey gballent uvic greg ballentine message nonsense deleted gainey defensive forward stand assessment good player belongs hall fame watch play made technical error nonsense deleted good displaying ignorance roger ignorance function lack knowledge formulating opinion cheap shot means ahead makes feel knowledgeable observers game meaning obvious hockey education responsibility word vehemence poor gainey bother effective player style play player laud find bothersome hated habs hated lafleur realized aesthetically pleasing player skate lifetime talk gainey checking centre doug gilmour doug jarvis matter gretzky mario checking centres gretzky cover gainey roger lost completely jesus christ nets play hockey high level good bother bring talking hockey players follow conversation follow previously responsibility educate compare gainey carbonneau balanced comparison journeymen deal worth discussing wrong hmm wrong fuhr sanderson place guessing feeling setup wrong macro machine excellent idea decide waste time responding greg postings implement macro suggest comment press runs things stars dynasties start hype pluggers grant fuhr essa tikkannen butch goring nystrom gainey doug jarvis derek sanderson wayne cashman baun pulford ralph backstrom henri richard dick duff demonstrates blanket disregard individuals contributors game settle claimed hockey gods tarasov claimed gainey hockey greg thread responding blanket disregard individuals remember leaf teams purely populated individuals winning stanley cups teams telling george armstrong hockey player world congenially james david david business developing style imitation sincerest form flattery flattery intention nice ring admit good laugh posting realized complete joke future respond postings present cogent argument supported facts gleaned version reality rest recognize cordially roger maynard maynard laurentian 
beat pittsburgh summary player distribution world organization georgetown university lines article robert angelo pleshar writes nntp posting host andrew reply anna matyas clone chelios personality transplant defensemen islanders capitals devils gerald words turn assholes spend lots time penalty lots misconducts chelios yeah team scoring play minutes game play power play kill penalties defenseman league team chelioses penalty kill ralph beat pittsburgh mario lemieux death kimo slash skull rangers slashing wrist jaromir jagr deportation send back commie country bill clinton kevin stevens fighting call probert call domi call grandmother kick 
news john news part xxvii organization dept memorial university newfoundland lines brifre writes article farenebt camp clarkson droopy writes pete raymond emailed piece info game intentionally unintentionally omitted date begin quoted material moncton friday night halifax eliminated john make halifax home round play offs place dates april halifax metro center leafs home game april halifax metro center april moncton april moncton april halifax metro center april moncton halifax halifax resident dream true leafs favorite team citadels making playoffs quebec farm team cares nfld fans carry games stupid heard news carrying games local cable station john cable carrying games live leafs dale popular dale fraser dale easy memorial university newfoundland sodium undergrad class cholesterol free shelby friedman blue jays world series champs opinions expressed belong institution 
hockey hispanic community organization dept memorial university newfoundland lines icop antonio pera writes presence team miami south florida long makes interesting question sell hispanic community hockey miami hispanic community experience previous exposure hockey teams hispanic groups group miami spanish language radio coverage owners hockey miami people northeast spend winters florida year coverage money broadcast rights expensive dale popular dale fraser dale easy memorial university newfoundland sodium undergrad class cholesterol free shelby friedman blue jays world series champs opinions expressed belong institution 
espn tonight organization university arizona tucson arizona lines swartzjh rose hulman writes heard game espn showing tonight show game means playoff wise assume blues tampa game minnesota wings game heard jeff swartz heard minnesota detroit game time dave david monack mail monack arizona love delusion woman differs mencken 
bruins playoffs organization applied microsystems redmond distribution lines bruins fans playoff time peaked time adams fight montreal quebec teams revenge neely stay healthy bourque moog stay sharp neely finally years frustration fight samuelson agree fighting deserves good good series bruins rchard richard 
minus stat organization university western ontario nntp posting host business lines post newsgroups sport hockey maynard laurentian roger maynard subject minus stat organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury date good displaying ignorance roger ignorance function lack knowledge formulating opinion cheap shot means ahead makes feel knowledgeable observers game meaning obvious hockey education responsibility hockey education talking refute absolutely insane statement word vehemence poor gainey bother effective player style play player laud find bothersome hated habs hated lafleur realized aesthetically pleasing player skate lifetime talk gainey hate habs sound year statement exemplifies total inability argue objectively hockey give crap cogent arguments read cogent consistently argue emotion huge sweeping statements frankly unconvincing style defending gainey frankly care dismissal effective hockey player tiresome basis calders ahead refresh memory conn smythe fluke yeah makings hockey superstar reason reason shoot checking centre doug gilmour doug jarvis matter gretzky mario checking centres gretzky cover gainey roger lost completely jesus christ nets play hockey high level good bother bring talking hockey players follow conversation follow previously responsibility educate cowboy expert introduced idiotic comparison gainey gretzky lemieux figure compare gainey carbonneau balanced comparison journeymen deal worth discussing individual awards remember feel free refresh memory sarcastic hockey education wrong hmm wrong fuhr sanderson roger point fuhr goaltender goaltender plug prime sanderson scrapper stick include half flyers team place guessing feeling setup wrong macro machine excellent idea decide waste time responding greg postings implement macro roger shouldn deserve accomodating suggest comment press runs things stars dynasties start hype pluggers grant fuhr essa tikkannen butch goring nystrom gainey doug jarvis derek sanderson wayne cashman baun pulford ralph backstrom henri richard dick duff demonstrates blanket disregard individuals contributors game settle claimed hockey gods tarasov claimed gainey hockey greg thread responding allowed players fall sweeping vacuous statement debate gainey ahead bring support argument argument throw names hoping impress blanket disregard individuals remember leaf teams purely populated individuals winning stanley cups teams telling george armstrong hockey player world great agree flyers cups reasons deservedly angry leafs recognition pluggers hyped agree plain simple statement sort compromise fair developing style imitation sincerest form flattery flattery intention nice ring admit good laugh posting realized complete joke pleasant bone body unhappy invited parties future respond postings present cogent argument supported facts gleaned version reality rest recognize roger impression responding posts great honour stop sounds pathetic frankly honourable good fart congenially james david david business david business james david western business school london ontario 
playoff predictions organization clarkson university lines nntp posting host logic clarkson newsreader version patrick pens isles devils caps pens devils adams sabres nords habs nords norris hawks stars blues wings leafs hawks wings smythe jets canucks call hunch flames kings jets flames wales pens campbell hawks jets stanley pens hawks farenell farenebt camp clarkson ecac contact sport hockey hockey adirondack wings calder champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champs glens falls high hockey division state champs fans join mailing list news request congrats boston bruins adams division champions phoenix suns pacific division champions 
schedule week distribution nntp posting host lamar acns colostate organization colorado state university fort collins lines united states schedule april devils islanders pittsburgh eastern time zone april louis chicago cent time zones april angeles calgary pacific time zone april devils islanders pittsburgh espn april espn april espn send schedule post mike burger canada includes quebec ontario colostate maritimes prairies florida beginning computing stud months year students served royal canadian farce university michigan colorado state university 
hockey hispanic community organization objectario lines article rickc corp richard casares writes time hockey league city mention weeks documentary hockey harlem canadian club york sponsors league kids harlem based report playing regular equipment jerseys proper outdoor rink looked kids playing hockey kids fortunate trip hockey camp alberta 
minus stat organization university pittsburgh lines article gballent uvic writes jagr arrogant asshole good hockey player season year francis jagr points jagr higher francis points informed observer ronnie francis season jaromir jagr jaro decent year live expectations gregmeister dean dean falcione badges badges jrmst permission stinkin owner mcdonald badges 
playoff predictions organization educational computing network lines nntp posting host round pitt pitt wash wash quebec hawks round pitt wash pitt boston beat quebec round pitt pitt pitt bruins arent pushover hawks havent problems year agree finals pitt pitt hawks change fate intensive forechecking normal hawks style nullify seemingly unbeatable team pens hell possibly extend record making play playoffs walter damien endemyr unpure knight doom acquired taste blood adopted nocturnal lifestyle doesnt vampire 
real caps chance originator fmsalvat ncsu reply fmsalvat ncsu frank michae salvatore organization north carolina state university project lines article filinuk dccs upenn geoff filinuk writes believes caps beat pens kidding pens loose game playoffs honest pens loose game lose game remember regular season playoff time caps shot flyers frank salvatore fmsalvat ncsu 
individual winners doubters nntp posting host college kstar node yale organization computing information systems yale university lines article dave kehrer wrote mentioned article migod toronto mike godfrey writes lemieux question chip masterson lemieux masterson doubt inspiring season personal records year lemieux hart locked mike gartner masterson 
goalie masks reply jwodzia uucp john wodziak organization clemson university engineering department lines article kkeller upenn keith keller writes vote john vanbiesbrouck mask skyline york city sides bunch bees beezer sharp statue liberty richter mask back represent beezer interconnecting circles zepplin album cover supposed keith keller rangers opinion give john official language golf profanity hockey hell jwodzia clemson john wodziak real black gold memorium alan kulwicki bean triumph polish yankee mechanical engineer town pretenders crown winston champion great person rocks 
pens info needed nntp posting host umanitoba organization university manitoba winnipeg manitoba canada lines article etxonss ericsson staffan axelsson writes swedish coach curt lundmark thinking leaving spots open additions eliminated nhlers mats sundin calle johansson curt hopes join team late stage tournament technically recall leave spots open final hmm heard grapevine team finland leave spot open nhler named hear content kurri hope daryl turner contact winnipeg jets internet umturne umanitoba fidonet route tkachuk zhamnov shoots scores jets jets essensa vezina housley norris calder 
minus stat lines organization university waterloo article maynard laurentian roger maynard writes maynard laurentian roger maynard subject minus stat date dreier berkeley roland dreier writes selanne leads jets teppo numminen defensively francis penguins points jaromir jagr points jagr defense francis interpret fact mario lemieux highest league selke ross minus measure defense attempts measure player total contribution team effort perfect posting implied posting suggested indicator player effectiveness examined context player team performance mere scoring totals mario selke doug gilmour lemieux situation enforcer obvi ously player game call selke gainey award result statement made anatoli tarasov gainey hockey player world tarasov misquoted originally tiny vodka toying reporter event decided honour dimensional checkers dimen sional scorers league start awarding doug mour award anually league effective round player cordially roger maynard maynard laurentian roger maynard award annoying derrick jewlal laurel waterloo 
sharks review part goaltenders organization computer science department stanford university lines sharks season close tonight start series posts revisit players trades moves sharks past season uninterested words sharks review subject heading postings kill evaluate players ratings subject biases hope objective evalute players finished season sharks play team season goaltenders brian hayward season acquired minnesota dispersal draft grade career career featured sharing jennings trophies patrick unfair give passing grade skip letter grading simply awful year save bright spot healthy string goalie hayward classy individual figured sharks victory game season year calgary flames retires fans remember good jeff hackett season acquired islanders expansion draft grade hackett deservedly winning team honors season simply wasted year good spots saves angeles shutout tampa hackett finishing save percentage watched status team goalie bench decoration season expected early carry team apparently frustrated early injury forced miss games contributing factor return simply task return year wade flaherty season eligible rookie acquired signed undrafted free agent grade pretty hard evaluate goaltender game incomplete grade start calgary flames flaherty sharp periods started season poorly kansas city finished strong prompting blades owner parker comment candidate honors upcoming playoffs major challenge make year capable backup arturs irbe season turner playoffs picking star honors irbe time show share irbe year prospects ryder trevor robins scott cashman coming make year arturs irbe season acquired minnesota dispersal draft grade overly critical irbe year established bona fide goaltender bona fide goaltender provided highlight footage sharks team team shut angeles kings december fearless aggressively playing puck making passes reminding people young hextall goonism develop consistency hard defense front sharks challenge playoff spot season irbe demonstrated named star game times starts calgary flames macinnis norris gary roberts hart smythe edmonton oilers playoffs year stay edmonton nelson claudius stanford sport hockey contact jose sharks 
british championship playoffs organization labs martlesham heath ipswich lines reply nmcglynn nntp posting host buffalo axion organisation laboratories martlesham heath ipswich group group cardiff devils bracknell bees nottingham panthers billingham humberside whitley warriors murrayfield racers fife flyers whitley cardiff devils billingham bombers murrayfield humberside bracknell bees nottingham panthers fife flyers cardiff devils humberside murrayfield racers nottingham bracknell bees whitley fife flyers billingham bracknell bees cardiff devils billingham bombers nottingham whitley humberside fife flyers murrayfield cardiff devils murrayfield racers humberside nottingham panthers whitley billingham bombers bracknell bees fife flyers qualified championship finals relegation promotion relegation promotion basingstoke swindon wildcats sheffield steelers peterborough durham wasps romford raiders slough jets kings basingstoke durham wasps sheffield steelers milton keynes swindon romford raiders milton keynes kings peterborough durham wasps swindon wildcats slough jets sheffield romford basingstoke peterborough slough jets romford durham wasps peterborough sheffield swindon basingstoke milton keynes kings slough jets basingstoke sheffield steelers durham wasps peterborough swindon milton keynes kings romford raiders slough jets neil mcglynn nmcglynn british telecom laboratories martlesham heath ipswich 
stop predicting originator cdkaupan ncsu reply cdkaupan ncsu carl david kaupang organization north carolina state university project lines annoying predictions cares stop predictions caps david kaupang cdkaupan ncsu 
pens info needed nntp posting host romulus math organization university jyvaskyla finland lines article umturne umanitoba daryl turner writes hmm heard grapevine team finland leave spot open nhler named hear content kurri hope true coach matikainen ready spot teemu medal games teppo numminen kurri spots left open long tikkanen players pretty good team young hungry talented players gold yesterday practise game shows world hockey teams prime shape finn line riihijarvi slightly injured saarikoski viitakoski shined teams roger roger people team canada lindros brind amour burke ranford recchi dineen beat finns coaching news alpo suhonen jets jokerit verified boris majorov jokerit tappara vasili tichonov assat jose sharks assistant coach sakari pietila lulea silver team elite serien mikko makela malmo markus ketterer jokerit contract timo saarikoski jokerit watch week 
expanding europe dusseldorf originator voecking informatik muenchen organization technische universitaet muenchen germany lines article mlindroos marcus lindroos writes pkortela writes german born forwards team fact majority players german born average spectator arena interesting german friends robert told forwards canadian germans sort dusseldorf canadian german forward player born canada german passport benoit doucet german marriing german play germany canada born forwards peter john british passport chris valentine dale dercatch steve gootas earl spry moment german born forwards coming mind bernd trunschka andreas brockmann ernst koepf volker 
suhonen jokerit keywords suhonen nntp posting host vipunen organization helsinki university technology finland lines tvartiai tommi vartiainen writes inside information alpo suhonen headcoach jokerit pretty boris majorov continue owner team previously chance coach tommi wrong information announced suhonen made deal jokerit tommi boris majorov made year deal tappara svante 
hockey playoff pool chance keywords hockey playoff pool chance organization gordon pinetree ottawa ontario canada lines post promotion hockey pool update pool wednesday subject join hockey playoff pool deadline pool midnight saturday rules read cost prizes send replies montana note entries send midnight saturday accepted include rules acme hockey playoff pool critierias pick forwards long forwards pick defensemen arrange lines forwards defense line arranged line order players play line plays line pick designated playmaker positions defensemen pick designated scorer positions pick goal tender pick team note players chosen sakic forward designated passer calculation points designated scorer playmaker assist goal players line totals line line line goalies team wins designated playmaker designated calculation scorer goal goal scored points assists assists points event broken unmodified goal totals game winning goals sample designated scorer jeremy roenick actual modified designated playmaker steve smith actual modified line murphy courtnall messier dave manson iafrate total points points line internet montana david wong uucp pinetree montana gordon pinetree ottawa canada 
minus stat organization university helsinki lines maynard laurentian roger maynard writes good displaying ignorance roger ignorance function lack knowledge formulating opinion cheap shot means ahead makes feel knowledgeable observers game meaning obvious hockey education responsibility curious roger vast knowledge game league made living demand expertise field great leafs assistant coach scout career reporter commentator wrong jukka virtanen juvirtan helsinki university helsinki 
sweden finland april nntp posting host uipc ericsson organization ericsson telecom stockholm sweden lines played scandinavium gothenburg april sweden finland peter popovic markus naslund ville siren keijo sailynoja juha riihijarvi timo saarikoski vesa viitakoski jari korpisalo kari harila rauli raitanen larsson mikael renberg stefan nilsson hakan ahlund thomas rundqvist roger akerstrom roger hansson stefan nilsson patrik juhlin charles berglund keijo sailynoja keijo sailynoja mikael renberg hakan ahlund thomas rundqvist jari korpisalo shots goal penalties attendance referee sweden peter andersson finland sweden sweden opened scoring markus naslund made drop pass finnish blue line popovic picked advanced finnish goal shot nice hard wrist shot ketterer corner ville siren slap shot blue line power play made juha riihijarvi scored nice goal power play close front goal puck high aslin period finns started period good pressure korpisalo made goal close range high aslin finnish pressure sweden turned game mikael renberg worked hard finnish goal passed puck larsson front backhanded puck rundqvist entered finnish zone passed ahlund finnish defense ahlund skate shot ketterer dropped goal roger hansson goal puck back blue line roger akerstrom slap shot ketterer puck traffic front period started nice goal stefan shadow nilsson stefan patrik juhlin entered finnish zone patrik passed puck back stefan ketterer made mistake keijo sailynoja show started reduce equalized lead seconds scored goal aslin tripped aslin penalty shot sailynoja made nice penalty shot showed forehand backhand shot swedes head mikael renberg scored goal late game nice power play combination renberg waited slot showed wanted puck backhand side ahlund passed puck renberg turnaround shot ketterer goal side jari korpisalo plans seconds scored game final goal make korpisalo slap shot narrow angle aslin saved decent game defense teams juggled lines period combinations renberg rundqvist plays swedish team larsson nilsson juhlin line working line stillman good defense players good hakan ahlund faell hjaelmen jobba roger hansson challe berglund kenny jonsson leave pros goal scorers jari korpisalo keijo sailynoja played finnish team markus ketterer good game lindfors finland starting goalie heard tikkanen join finnish team inter resting pros coach matikainen counts starting lines sweden finland peter aslin markus ketterer kenneth kennholt mikko haapakoski fredrik stillman ville siren hakan ahlund jarkko varvio thomas rundqvist mika nieminen mikael renberg keijo sailynoja roger akerstrom erik hamalainen arto blomsten kari harila larsson rauli raitanen stefan nilsson petri varis patrik juhlin jari korpisalo peter popovic timo jutila stefan larsson harri laurila roger hansson juha riihijarvi fredrik nilsson timo saarikoski peter ottosson vesa viitakoski pasi sormunen janne laukkanen markus naslund juha ylonen peter forsberg timo peltomaa jonas bergqvist marko palo played parts game charles berglund mika alatalo kenny jonsson saku koivu marko palo staffan axelsson etxonss ericsson contact swedish hockey 
finland sweden teams helsinki stockholm expansion reply tervio helsinki message organization akademi university finland news reader news lines tervio helsinki writes teams merged proposed tampere ilves lynx tappara fans teams playoffs time relegated merged difficult understand helsinki grow jokerit hifk team team world support talking hate extremely deeply rooted rivalry deeply rooted rivalry ahem jokerit joined flight early helsingfors fans started taking hockey exagerating proved groups cheer team finnish national team huge franchise finland team called city play games arena team finland team sweden make sense talent total north american talent couple seasons nordic presuming teams advantage drafting local talent prooposed bold claim light successful canadian american olympic teams play rules international olympic teams contained talent average expansion team canada eric lindros sean burke juneau chris kontos deep subs yanks keith tkachuk scott lachance bret hedican shawn mceachern steve heintze donato sacco bill guerin line players robb stauber kings goal fact star team assembled finnish league teams hartford tampa class finnish swedish players gradually helsinki stockholm north american based gradually retire canadian american team allowed draft players scandinavia hockey news scouts based players superstar star regular regular role player finland jyrki lumme teppo numminen peter ahola jari kurri christian ruuttu teemu selanne tikkanen selanne ratings higher today january sweden samuelsson fredrik olausson niklas lidstrom calle johansson kjell samuelsson tommy sjodin tommy albelin mats sundin thomas steen thomas sandstrom dahlen michael nylander erik eklund johan garpenlov mikael andersson erixon interesting finland players winnipeg selanne numminen vancouver lumme angeles jari kurri york tikkanen unit pittsburgh doubts home based finnish players national team canada world championships largely efforts markus ketterer goalie players listed luck decent players finland superstars highest level valuable role players guess finnish canada team team sweden easier judge players north america points total players ottawa players combined estimate regulars back home sweden swedish team assemble skill points deducting points pittsburgh rangers teams rely swedish players swedish team finish sixth place high boston vancouver calgary montreal paper dynasty talk completely unfounded finnish swedish team advantage players playing home half time adapt foreign country foreign language play wide open european variant hockey learn north american checking game free agency factor scandinavian players playing large market teams couple years edmonton dynasty crumbled late fringe players drafted teams exclusive talent pool unfair settle compromise prohibit european teams signing north american rounds players amateur draft open finland czech final bruins blackhawks marcu 
nhlpa poll stats uptade organization crin inria lorraine lines uptade standings poll votes points point nhlpa game atlanta turner game person vote teams point continue send votes format april approximately keywords email iskander ayari ayari 
hockey organization olaf college northfield lines fine year history close tonight minnesota north stars norm stars whichever prefer lost wings score stars goals scored mike mcphee dahlen netted including final franchise history minute play tonight stars telecast announcer shaver voice north stars stated basically follow team dallas shaver asked broadcast responded pair slippers easy chair watch world north stars shaver years minnesota memories joel alvstad 
finnish star born organization helsinki university technology finland lines distribution inet nntp posting host reply hahietanen tele nokia message article hahietanen tele nokia writes yesterday game team sweden team finland played stockholm result home team special surprised saku koivu admit surprised finnish playoffs team finland saku koivu light weight player size stats real player skates score nice passes bodycheckings watch size remember harlamov saku growing year saku small longer guess heard tall moment grow petteri kortelainen 
helsinki stockholm expansion organization helsinki university technology finland lines distribution inet nntp posting host reply mlindroos message article mlindroos marcus lindroos writes franti writes surely high european division finnish team players national team class foreigner league jokerit dozen players international class settle minor league players international class average team players play smaller rinks quality european hockey poor recent years north american good farm players players place finnish league elitserien shipped back petteri kortelainen 
radio stations organization purdue university engineering computer network lines article ragraca oakland randy graca writes greanias mitre steve greanias writes cable nights caps play tune games list radio stations broadcast games teams advance give couple detroit broadcasting couple games wings toronto series broadcast watts able pick dark pittsburgh penguins games broadcast kdka empted baseball moved station local baseball teams playing time randy kdka rights pirates games split conflicts penguins games preempted check wdve watts kevin stamber purdue university funny today 
franchise organization cybernet boca raton florida lines florida panthers panther endangered species located everglades couple years license plates made panthers part revenue protection fund president panthers announced today yesterday paper huizenga hockey team miami arena fall team guaranteed year lease arena year options choice james blosser lawyer huizenga ruling arena long term option told stay economically feasible reason miami heat basketball team controls skybox advertising revenue arena reducing hockey team profit potential hockey team attracting arena site proposals broward dade palm beach counties leading site vacant land robbie stadium residents days agreed drop opposition hockey arena ending year battle wills compliments news sentinel fitz sanchez castranova 
panther president organization cybernet boca raton florida lines promised give panther president huizenga announced team announced bill torrey named president panthers sentinel torrey architect consecutive stanley champions persident general manager york islanders years bill torrey ties signature andre agassi hair panthers introduce uniform insignia ticket price information early month meantime huizenga leaves operation hands torrey clarke florida panthers chosen south florida team focus attention endangered species florida panthers everglades national park cypress national preserve parts southwestern florida panther quickest striking cats torrey play torrey huizenga hired expansion islanders responsible guiding islanders consecutive stanley championships seasons consecutive winning seasons executive vice president california golden seals torrey watched seals play offs season guess completes personal trick torrey native montreal resident bear lakes country club palm beach accounts gorycki jimg repeat stress repeat stress repeat stress repeat stress repeat adrian belew indicipline 
pens playoff radio coverage radio stations keywords kdka wdve nntp posting host mach organization school computer science carnegie mellon lines article ragraca oakland randy graca writes greanias mitre steve greanias writes give couple detroit broadcasting couple games wings toronto series broadcast watts able pick dark pittsburgh penguins games broadcast kdka empted baseball moved station local baseball teams playing time morning post gazette pens carried kdka radio pirates playing pirates play games carried wdve wdve carry games starting tonight game fact season kdka longer flagship station pens penguins struck deal radio rights games wdve flagship radio station season carry games games simulcast kdka remaining games early round playoff games subscription receive games time hook monthly dollars deal longer radio simulcasts broadcast team radio broadcast team word announcers mike lange paul steigerwald contract kdka contracts expire season president bill craig hire lange steigerwald lori contact penguins 
wirtz weenie organization university libraries library carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew deal bill wirtz apparently blackhawks louis game standing room sell usual hawks reported attendace wirtz planning justification continuing home games schmuck news penguins announced yesterday fewer broadcast games games sort subscription view system yuck ralph 
team captains organization software engineering institute lines article njdevils cire trehguad writes anna matyas wrote michael collingridge writes subject captain traded resigned striped title season team captain trivia appreciated francis captain whalers traded pittsburgh rick tochett captain flyers traded pens recently mike ramsey time captain buffalo prior traded pittsburgh penguins captains real captain lemieux playing rotate season mario troy loney worn pens john huber penguins stanley champions software engineering institute pirates east champions mastercraft boat skiing 
thumbs espn organization distribution keywords espn detroit toronto hockey coverage lines article wustl joseph charles achkar writes nice espn show game wings leafs cubs astros rained showing baseball game decided stanley playoffs classy move espn leave room times night baseball games break back studio mentioned show hockey wife hoping rain baseball game feed tommorrow night point glad showed hockey baseball watched baseball night pete clark 
travesty louis caldwell organization mount royal college calgary alberta lines detroit april development shocked knowledgable observers detroit redwings scored goals goaltender world route team toronto maple leafs leafs faulted completely dominated inferior detroit squad deserved biased officiating andy hellemond idiots insisted throwing octopus stoppage obvious attempt distract superior visiting side prevented massacre wings league team alan sweet roger sweet forward installment wednesday night trust 
picks caldwell organization mount royal college calgary alberta lines article sclark utoronto susan clark writes ottawa daigle sweepstakes mention jose goals sens hunch ottawa pick mistaken jose wins ottawa tiebreaker wins alan 
coverage distribution lines newsreader version anna matyas wrote antonio pera writes loved coverage production excellent appearance excellent sleek modern time heard thorne clement thought great request leave micheals annoys skeptical game pleasantly surprised coverage impressed close range camera coverage work corners play losing beat back puck ripping espn hockey coverage pittsburgher thrilled lange steigy unaware espn bought time production advertising sales commentating reaped made enjoy caleb 
boxscores organization universite montreal distribution lines boxscores team personal research michel arsenault 
conf names organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury distribution lines dchhabra ists deepak chhabra writes real question idea changing names based reasons making easier casual idea unique divisional names based individuals deserve honour nice unique touch differs sports addition changing divisional names effect number people interested hockey pointless exercise problems game presented fans feel geographical names enhance regional loyalties names honouring personages confusing approaching sport time thing bothers points system percentages major sports informative standings thing make quick calculation account games hand case object percentages claiming americanization sport feel percentages informative american irrelevant current names inappropriate separate issue central original article additionally players contributed glory sport able organized professional league play case honouring builders league opposed builders sport chicken type question chicken contributed likes norris agree norris contributed likes taking poll fans quickly fans feel made meaningful contribution true naming divisions trophies smythe bunch kind nepotism stein hall fame thought nonsense dunno stein comparison justifiable unanimous acceptance hall hold division names hold cordially maynard laurentian morons time 
team captains nntp posting host lambada organization university north carolina extended bulletin board service lines mike ramsey time captain buffalo prior traded pittsburgh penguins captains real captain lemieux playing rotate season mario troy loney worn pens heard incorrectly lemieux wore jersey turns captain duties scott scott marks scott marks opinions expressed necessarily university north carolina chapel hill campus office information technology experimental bulletin board service internet launchpad 
team captains organization cadkey lines nntp posting host access digex anna matyas wrote francis captain whalers traded pittsburgh imho ranks time greatest blunder mention blunder whalers committed eddie johnston coach rick decided francis incapable leader stripped captain december organization read default owner richard gordon dupe blind sided dumped francis season starting refusing sign contract publicly humiliating stripping trading spring penguins classy loss francis lesser extent series decimating player moves stripped personality awareness team precarious position today gratuitous good note preside organization acquired verbeek cassels sanderson poulin nylander stripped roster foundation real live hartford whalers season ticket holder steveg 
average player organization cadkey lines nntp posting host access digex interrupt regularly scheduled news reading bring message sponsored department mundane statistics passed final individual player stats posted filter average games goals assists points penalty minutes mythical average played league season monday feel writing real code wiped goalies list average passed list time players smallest percentage difference categories marty mcinnis igor kravchuk close games goals assists points leaves average player bobby carpenter honor passed list goalies included kravchuk carpenter dimaio flying title average igor kravchuk bobby carpenter dimaio kind underwhelming back regularly scheduled programming 
team milwaukee organization cadkey lines nntp posting host access digex charlie betz cbetz cray writes reading reports moves milwaukee milwaukee team thought pass story heard recently hand true reason doubt bradley center milwaukee home milwaukee admirals minor leauge hockey team owner admirals remember owns shelled majority funds build bradley center lloyd pettit supposedly approached expansion franchise turned thought franchise million high story true rumor true team milwaukee anytime admirals forced building club minor league club building milwaukee bucks play true refused franchise time reason established market teams felt expansion team simply wait existing franchise market fooled teams created apiece years existing teams moved doubt pettit gambled lost 
canadian team organization cadkey lines nntp posting host access digex point team canadian nhlers playoff bound centers geoff sanderson hartford sanderson team canada position center drafted center played rookie sanderson scored goals season left wing 
results april organization cadkey lines nntp posting host access digex gerald olchowy golchowy chem utoronto writes podein interesting case eligible play cape breton playoffs kovalev zubov andersson sather pocklington total scrooges makes case massively outclassed paramount york rangers policy players minor league playoffs versus rangers holding back kovalev zubov andersson binghamton whalers wanted michael nylander play springfield nylander wanted play sweden whalers allowed decide chose differ rangers oilers whalers league forced nylander play springfield 
breaker isles devils organization cadkey lines nntp posting host access digex wang wangr spews stupidly people stupid breaker record people soo stuppid list breaker breaker record thought people good hockey great math teams ahve points record retard people breaker attend rensselaer work tounge cheek cutting alumni contributions increasing 
team captains organization university toronto systems control group lines article scott marks scott marks writes mike ramsey time captain buffalo prior traded pittsburgh penguins captains real captain lemieux playing rotate season mario troy loney worn pens mike foligno captain sabres traded leafs rick vaive captain leafs traded chicago steve thomas olcyzk speaking leafs darryl sittler captain torn jersey claimed captaincy traded flyers yeah gretzky captain oilers traded gary 
summary parse results games played april organization university brunswick lines toronto detroit period detroit yzerman gallant ciccarelli toronto cullen clark gill period detroit sheppard probert coffey detroit burr racine detroit chiasson coffey detroit howe yzerman drake toronto gilmour borschevsky ellett period detroit racine primeau drake toronto lefebvre cullen pearson detroit power play special goals total scorer burr chiasson ciccarelli coffey drake gallant howe primeau probert racine sheppard yzerman toronto power play scorer borschevsky clark cullen ellett gill gilmour lefebvre pearson winnipeg vancouver period vancouver adams linden bure vancouver craven bure murzyn winnipeg steen shannon housley period scoring period winnipeg king barnes vancouver linden courtnall mclean vancouver ronning courtnall vancouver power play scorer adams bure courtnall craven linden mclean murzyn ronning winnipeg power play scorer barnes housley king shannon steen 
travesty louis organization university british columbia vancouver canada lines nntp posting host unixg article caldwell writes detroit april development shocked knowledgable observers detroit redwings scored goals goaltender world route team toronto maple leafs mistaken detroit scored goals shots toronto cream cheese continues swiss cheese watching potvin leaning bill 
breaker isles devils organization mortice kern systems waterloo ontario canada lines article wangr writes people stupid breaker record people soo stuppid list breaker breaker record thought people good hockey great math teams ahve points record retard people breaker smilies message team team teams points identical records 
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area media wings leafs coverage organization naval postgraduate school monterey lines article dreier berkeley roland dreier writes francisco area media reporting tonight detroit wings beat toronto maple leafs part media conspiracy leafs game expecting leafs shutout potvin trick andreychuk goal assists gilmour leafs lost penalties whichever biased game call leafs wings roland dreier dreier berkeley disappoint wings earned victory easily watched game espn realized televising game beginning maple leafs flat flat wings skating freely dictating pace game detect penalty calls hellemond usual good toronto looked expected playoff game years nervous leafs sake hope butterflies game game indicative series quick galvin galvint navy 
schedule organization naval postgraduate school monterey lines article kkeller upenn keith keller writes article swartzjh rose hulman writes games espn airing week detroit toronto game tongiht decent king hockey games televised nationally tonight hell hell espn showing stupid baseball game baseball weeks season hockey playoffs wait answer pisses start putting cking games make money deal brought hockey back espn aargh watch hockey publicity keith keller rangers quakers kkeller upenn league champs vegetarian dish keith keller understand scheduling works espn prior contracts baseball show monday night games contracted shows advance deal late scheduling process year package finished weeks season started espn shown tremendous commitment squeezing extra telecasts minnesota game putting stanley games backup baseball telecasts favorable circumstances pull night bottom line espn break contracts honor previous deals made risk lawsuit breach contract baseball relax happy sportschannel galvin galvint navy 
west coast playoff games reply carleton darcovich organization national capital freenet lines easterners newspapers editors unsympathetic playoff pools summaries west coast games finish late night morning edition greatly scoring summaries west coast playoff games posted group basically goal scorers assists bother times penalties shots make pool obsessed people happy guess senators golfing local papers lost interest 
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misconduct mark kings squandered minute power play granato watters penalties flames closed mark macinnis point passed yawney point strides wound drove shot post glove hrudey play started faceoff kings lost timeout macinnis penalty kings converted power play seal victory sandstrom skating wing flames zone back crossed goal line passed puck slot side carson shot pass beating vernon stick side mark skrudland slashing stern crazy shuchuk stern wound double minor roughing single minor cross checking minute misconduct flames game side kings part played disciplined hockey calgary retaliate kings played good team defense excellent penalty killing minus side kings lost face improve flames surely power play back track notes kings recalled leveque brandy semchuk thomson phoenix wayne gretzkys period assist career playoff point kings entered game league shots game giving opposing team average shots game flames goaltender mike vernon entered game record afternoon games flames entered game success 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murray wings organization nasa lewis research center lines distribution world nntp posting host venus lerc nasa news software vnews article gballent uvic writes article oakland ragraca oakland randy graca writes predicting bryan murray hockey figure bryan murray wings pretty good team contending stanley looked pretty good team contending stanley great able make moves push team upper echelon stanley good murray murray great picked ciccarelli sheppard ysebaert howe coffey riendeau depth players giving wings needed prospects years year wings make playoffs year half demers stint wings demers motavational skills clutch grab style talent gerald murray responsible primeau ready admit horrible pick hired draft made sense pick lapointe major goals leave president things worry bored reading problems paper decade decade people deal problems president bill clinton 
wings organization university toronto chemistry department lines article ragraca oakland randy graca writes hard time pittsburgh face finals detroit sportswriters predicting bryan murray hockey impressed abilities bench coach general motivator amount talent team blown norris team norris campbell conference hold candle detroit paper terms pure talent pulling weight times year scotty bowman hand correct wrong stanley cups outstanding coach outcoach murray faced bryan murray yzerman fedorov cheveldae chaisson russian strategy product previous murray made couple decent trades rank primeau murray decision gerald 
results april organization university toronto chemistry department lines article spiegel lmsc lockheed mark spiegel writes murky news team roster names teams played listed goalies forwards tony amonte york rangers drury harvard univ gaudreau jose sharks craig johnson univ minnesota jeff lazaro ottawa senators mike modano minnesota north stars olczyk york rangers derek plante univ minnesota duluth shion podein edmonton oilers david sacco boston university darren turcotte york rangers doug weight edmonton oilers edmonton oilers decided european vacation spring ranford tugnutt benning manson smith buchberger corson playing canada podein weight playing kravchuk playing russians nagging injuries late season podein interesting case eligible play cape breton playoffs kovalev zubov andersson sather pocklington total scrooges makes case massively outclassed paramount york rangers gerald 
team captains organization sophomore mathematics carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply michael collingridge writes subject captain traded resigned striped title season team captain trivia appreciated wasn francis captain whalers traded pittsburgh rick tocchet captain flyers years traded pens john santore break surface tension wild kinetic dreams rush grand designs philadelphia flyers john santore jsbh rush king crimson emerson lake palmer marillion genesis gabriel 
sharks kingston fired organization adobe systems incorporated lines article terry stanford terry wong writes jack ferreira firing eventually kingston firing mention consistency vision sharks lost loss ferreira headed worked person making personnel decisions management committee conventional wisdom league ferreira made moves fielded product ferreira accomplished headed ship heat explained things ferreira ferreira made trades traded made fewer trades traded sherri nichols snichols 
wings nntp posting host hudson uvic reply gballent uvic organization university victoria victoria canada lines article oakland ragraca oakland randy graca writes gballent uvic greg ballentine writes article oakland ragraca oakland randy graca writes hard time pittsburgh face finals detroit sportswriters predicting bryan murray hockey figure bryan murray wings pretty good team contending stanley looked pretty good team contending stanley great able make moves push team upper echelon stanley good murray maintain team success push level jacques demers brought wings conference finals years back team giving percent talent yzerman probert drinking problems time couple decent goaltenders hanlon stefan player earlier teams deserved star game yzerman probert petr klima give break faced edmonton conference finals hard played clear faced team simply superior talent wings finals time norris division weakest division hockey past chicago toronto impressive today murray brought scoring talent wings years devellano demers coach ysebaert kozlov paul coffey made definite positive impact power play murray built talented teams hockey present exception pittsburgh penguins wings goal scorers couple defenseman games worth playoff experience murray failing unlike mentioned good wrong found strong coach motivate team give percent full minutes night time made team wins loses reflection coach point original post team outmatches opponent terms talent loses case year wings struggled building team coach failed motivate case wings made playoffs murray gave opponents hard time beaten easily good coaching making lack talent fine murray hockey contender honor murray great claim wings stanley great claim poor coach claim intelligent hire coach push team level success murray average unspectacular coach pretty good true gregmeister 
francis organization dean office carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply matthew rush writes award back hockey great underneath hype lemieux stevens jagr francis quietly point season goals assists games acquisition penguins made lemieux apologies rick tocchet hell year pens person time francis playoffs years back mario line center francis remember randy gilhen plays tough face circle skills francis scoring passing winning face offs putting game night wanted glow glow everytime ronnie fact neatest things pens person watching subtle things play interview recently stressed importance playing hockey learn play defense offense advice heart breath fresh arrived pittsburgh team forwards part play lick defense difficult assess trades brought success pens mention rick tocchet helped kjell steady team line permanently replace extremely mediocre player matter pick acquisitions recent years barrasso francis larry murphy love francis thing damage pens lose barrasso 
cherry coach corner summary april organization administrative computing info services carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply cherry coach corner user allan sullivan ualber writes clip shown earlier episode proclaiming doug gilmour player world players lemieux gilmour player designated point getter baseball designatted hitter score runs play defense gilmour good player clip shown local news pittsburgh night kdka complete animated sarcasm sportscaster time cherry shown local pittsburgh news couple weeks times blasting lemieux murawski software engineer office administrative computing information services carnegie mellon university office forbes avenue pittsburgh mieux magnifique soixante claude days clinton clinocchio leaves office 
cherry coach corner summary april organization adobe systems incorporated lines article allan ualberta allan sullivan writes clip shown earlier episode proclaiming doug gilmour player world players lemieux gilmour player designated point getter baseball designatted hitter score runs play defense gilmour good player expect buffoon pens drafted kirk muller mario lemieux time cherry insight game hockey degenerated parody sherri nichols snichols 
nords habs robbed nntp posting host stpl ists organization solar terresterial physics laboratory ists lines article writes aargh paul stewart worst biased presently called total penalties habs nordiques nords penalty stewart nordique call penalties habs letting nords murder robbed patrick reason game lost hextall reason quebec goaltending goaltending montreal dionne penalty kind cheesy call face literally left feet throw elbow blaming stewart excuse avoid facing fact allowed worst goals possibly shot dammit stewart evened things calling quebec penalty montreal played solid game clear traffic front loss schneider hurt team blows goal lead minutes regulation time playoff game smacked upside collective heads team loss keane able clear zone prior quebec goal paid money play looked player industrial league sakic shot demers start racicot game damn team read papers article patrick collapsed letting tieing goal shaky knees rest night winning goal wrap goal scott young defender remember place correct bruins lost moog looked mogilny goal seconds left neely holy shit player speaking great players quebec skate team potent rush long time watching break zone sundin treat watch remind army hate team rest games louis winning goal powerplay penalties cost chicago dearly detroit calgary undisciplined marty mcsorely waving bench avoid fights jersey overmatched terreri heroics notwithstanding mario unbelievable jagr reason shows playoffs hate team dchhabra ists pissed habs 
atlanta hockey hell nntp posting host stpl ists organization solar terresterial physics laboratory ists lines article mamatha devineni ratnam writes pretty pissed local coverage half hour coverage playing stuff deleted solution problem move canada yesterday able watch games pitt buff series watching hockey playoffs consecutive nights counted pure guess house side side watch buff time afternoon games commentaters great impressed audience schooled hockey lore excellent impartial dchhabra ists suffering shortage hockey 
conf names nntp posting host stpl ists organization solar terresterial physics laboratory ists distribution lines article maynard laurentian roger maynard writes evan pritchard writes incorrect roger patrick smythe adams played coached league front office types build league great players punch imlach contributions coach greater combined division trophy owner player contributions deleted honour contributed league evolution honour contributed glory sport stuff deleted money issue irrelevant point agree players make game great people recall author original article started thread claimed disliked changing names variety reasons roger front flamed severely grounds jingoistic rant supported changing grounds current names inappropriate individuals represent fwiw flaming warranted enhanced credibility observation real question idea changing names based reasons making easier casual idea unique divisional names based individuals deserve honour nice unique touch differs sports addition changing divisional names effect number people interested hockey pointless exercise current names inappropriate separate issue central original article additionally players contributed glory sport able organized professional league play case honouring builders league opposed builders sport chicken type question chicken true naming divisions trophies smythe bunch kind nepotism stein hall fame thought nonsense dunno stein comparison justifiable unanimous acceptance hall hold dchhabra ists 
hawks leafs lastnight nntp posting host stpl ists organization solar terresterial physics laboratory ists distribution lines article golchowy chem utoronto gerald olchowy writes replays murphy goal counted game ended thought light review presumption find conclusive evidence puck replays rear evidence conclusive puck opinion impression objective find conclusive evidence puck cross line replays showed fairly conclusively puck cross goal line time screwed dchhabra ists 
thumbs espn organization systems lines article wustl joseph charles achkar writes nice espn show game wings leafs cubs astros rained showing baseball game decided stanley playoffs classy move espn good wings play lets give espn credit late baseball games option eric sebastian pens 
wings game organization nasa lewis research center lines distribution world nntp posting host venus lerc nasa news software vnews vergolin david vergolini writes detroit wings doubter tonight washing toronto maple leafs toronto fans power mighty wing offense toronto defense match wing offense defense probert kennedey primeau hitting hard toronto players thrown left wendell clark tough wings tough wings gave goals total mediocre defense leaf fans speak team probable season ended wings fans support wings fans lurking tend thoughtful woofers suppose family roger clinton remember paraphrase favorite star trek lines adopt ways leaf fans leaf fans major goals leave president things worry bored reading problems paper decade decade people deal problems president bill clinton 
wings organization oakland university rochester michigan lines nntp posting host vela oakland golchowy chem utoronto gerald olchowy writes bryan murray yzerman fedorov cheveldae chaisson russian strategy product previous murray made couple decent trades rank wasn primeau murray decision gerald teams liking russian players russian strategy specific detroit devellano murray previous trade players teams notably memory murray craven good years philly leaving volume trades necessarily improve team quality trading adam oates bernie federko plain stupid federko great player time murray trades worked significantly wings advantage soured injury players involved troy crowder suffered back problems recovered scotty bowman burns coaches league bench detroit team beat randy 
coverage reply ferguson rochester george ferguson organization university rochester hockey science dept distribution article anna matyas writes thorne good clement miss mike emrick boyfriend hockey looked point pretty good announcers rick tocchet charles bronson boyfriend comment fact clement walking brillo hair replacement therapy stuffed shirt thinks greatest hockey analyst howie meeker gosh sakes schoenie george george ferguson arpa ferguson rochester dept computer science uucp rutgers rochester ferguson university rochester rochester 
thumbs espn reply ferguson rochester george ferguson organization university rochester hockey science dept article wustl joseph charles achkar writes nice espn show game wings leafs cubs astros rained showing baseball game decided stanley playoffs classy move espn show surprised find sprint race mini cars pigpens short notice george george ferguson arpa ferguson rochester dept computer science uucp rutgers rochester ferguson university rochester rochester 
coverage reply ferguson rochester george ferguson organization university rochester hockey science dept distribution article ccohen caleb cohen writes ripping espn hockey coverage pittsburgher thrilled lange steigy unaware espn bought time production advertising sales commentating reaped made interests saving badnwidth heated time year early flurry retard comments coming state starts ends george george ferguson arpa ferguson rochester dept computer science uucp rutgers rochester ferguson university rochester rochester 
thumbs espn keywords espn detroit toronto hockey coverage organization plymouth state college plymouth lines article wustl joseph charles achkar writes nice espn show game wings leafs cubs astros rained showing baseball game decided stanley playoffs classy move espn reason espn showed hockey baseball game scheduled evening randy turgeo plymouth ashkar contact blues saint louis wustl blues 
coverage nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall distribution lines ccohen caleb cohen writes ripping espn hockey coverage pittsburgher thrilled lange steigy unaware espn bought time production advertising sales commentating reaped made caleb quality espn problem superb evolve point espn left hockey excepting feeds amount hockey showing lack complaining rights shown sunday night baseball pickup trucks racing oversized pigpens super home movies races checking desperation canucks jets night sportscenter souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
team captains organization sunsoft angeles lines nntp posting host newsreader colling arbor applicon michael collingridge writes subject captain traded resigned striped title season team captain trivia appreciated robitaille captain kings season great back disc injury kind awkward melrose appointed anointed captain immediately return score goal games remained captain season 
coverage distribution organization university pittsburgh lines article anna matyas writes skeptical game pleasantly surprised coverage impressed close range camera coverage work corners play losing beat back puck thorne good clement miss mike emrick boyfriend hockey looked point pretty good announcers rick tocchet charles bronson complaint cameramen jersey pitt series show shots hits occassion camera zoomed check boards puck slot panned back show rebound camera people experienced joseph stiehm 
francis organization bowling green state university lines mention francis incredibly nice person christmas break friend mine xmas gathering drove house stayed shyness friend door rang bell answered friend introduced proceeded invite francis party declined watch daughter reached shook friend hand barry bonds polite situation george 
sharks review part left wings organization computer science department stanford university lines apparently part defensemen numbered lost posted make things worse lost copy asked sharks mailing list mail copy back responds repost write post larry depalma season acquired free agent minnesota grade netter watching sharks including depalma season sharks appeared rights jose kansas city appeared waiver wire kind invisibility prevalent part depalma called october tampa lightning depalma excellent week scoring points games playing good defense year depalma disappeared rest points games generally looked lethargic uninterested ends kansas city walked suspended reinstated revealed injured promptly disappeared watching eyes shark bytes mailing list sharks officials faithful sharks miss johan garpenlov season acquired trade detroit mcgill round pick entry draft vancouver grade early slump garpenlov short inspirational rest finishing points games highest total team clicked team kelly kisio wing gaudreau kisio credit garpenlov finishing voting demonstrated playmaking scoring skills making excellent centering passes finishing passes putting puck past opposing goaltenders club high power play goals contrary previous garpenlov showed small size throw albeit successful work defense improved tremendously season good penalty killer season major offense year david bruce season acquired louis expansion draft grade banner team power play goals total scoring points games bruce bothered virtually season groin injury lineup games season difficult speculate season affected injury year bruce effective short sharks season expected strong offensive leader season injury appears shame brighter future future sharks season appears clouded mark pederson season acquired trade philadelphia dave snuggerud grade difficult understand flyers decision unload pederson good offensive season season points games riding pine early season pederson summarily sharks exchange defensive minded snuggerud finished games combined flyers sharks limited injuries season limited production points healthy pederson appears impressive good scoring touch good size willingness throw considered physical forward good speed liability defense sharks wait season pederson john carter season acquired free agent boston grade carter hardest workers team hard work worked wonders times looked great great times fact received points games efforts sign hard work sharks confirmed sending kansas city games left season carter turn hussled result trapped deep offensive zone forechecking generally credit defensive limited utility capacity impress offensively sharks drawing penalties back season jean francois quintin season acquired minnesota dispersal draft grade understand sharks quintin play games played season generally hard working creating opportunities offensively appeared ready regular duty team sharks finishing points games defensive liability shoulder injury training camp season limited quintin team leading scorer exhibition games sitting final games sharks blades season looked impressive solid contender regular duty season mark beaufait season acquired round pick supplemental draft grade star season kansas city beaufait coffey sharks late season blades knocked playoff spot sharks decimated injuries playing games scoring goal point small size beaufait throw looked pretty good times early judge based games played left wing center position northern michigan kansas city jaroslav otevrel season acquired round pick entry draft grade beaufait otevrel played normal position games midway season generally defensive liability show offensively indicative lack time games season work defense defense acceptable ready michel picard season acquired trade hartford yvon corriveau grade year picard perennially tore minors close chances reason acquired sharks failing impress management games scoring goals points spent rest kansas city strong defensively offensive brilliance minors failed score limited opportunities sharks bait expansion draft dody wood season acquired round pick entry draft grade give grade accused knocking wood surprise unimpressed wood games small generally nonfactor offense good defensively silly penalties losing fights process gathering penalty minutes games projecting game season ready season work fighting skills small size give possibility survive stage enforcer calgary flames macinnis norris gary roberts hart smythe edmonton oilers playoffs year stay edmonton nelson claudius stanford sport hockey contact jose sharks 
sharks review part defensemen organization computer science department stanford university lines finally back great mark spiegel saving sending zettler season acquired minnesota dispersal draft grade zettler gave sharks year make marginal nhler works hard average defense prone costly penalties defensive lapses times basically offensive goal assists games hardpressed make team year david williams season acquired free agent jersey grade williams valuable defenseman sharks playing combination good offense goals assists games good defense playing part season kansas city good offensively defensively year appears fluke improved season prone position defensively demonstrate playmaking skills made team leading scorer defensemen year hardpressed make team year jayson season acquired montreal expansion draft grade touted team defensive prospects training camp disappointing good defensively points games proceeded improve game massively season team reliable defenseman team count night night play steady defense providing occasional occasional offensive flash offensively disappointing year points games defense improved tremendously defensive part defense combination offensive defenseman neil wilkinson season acquired minnesota dispersal draft grade wilkinson team defensive defenseman partially injuries year missed games total nagging knee back injuries slowed playing saved defensive partners solid games complete healthy force sandis ozolinsh season acquired round pick entry draft grade time injury december philadelphia flyers ozolinsh track team knee injury game forced miss rest season games finished team scorer defensemen points tells lack offense sharks defensemen tells ozolinsh abilities time playing good defense excellent offense susceptible called rookie mistakes defenseman made team rookie veteran back injuries ready star doug zmolek season acquired minnesota dispersal draft grade zmolek basically solid durable year sharks play games season solid defense billed offensive defenseman show points prone penalties penalty minutes team indication fearly facing tough physical opponents playing physically fixture league improve offensively defensively number power plays opponents calgary flames macinnis norris gary roberts hart smythe edmonton oilers playoffs year stay edmonton nelson claudius stanford sport hockey contact jose sharks 
francis organization international lines nntp posting host jupiter article matthew rush writes forgot highest points total francis season point season pens whalers francis full season hartford agreement previous post francis tremendous generally underrated complete player love capitals uniform center pivonka good complete player generally underrated francis impresses ways ethical dale hunter tons heart attitude skills cheap shots penalty minutes mention coming important 
expanding europe dusseldorf reply voecking muenchen message organization akademi university finland news reader news lines voecking muenchen writes article mlindroos marcus lindroos writes pkortela writes german born forwards team fact majority players german born average spectator arena interesting german friends robert told forwards canadian germans sort dusseldorf canadian german forward player born canada german passport benoit doucet german marriing german play germany canada born forwards peter john british passport chris valentine dale dercatch steve gootas earl spry moment german born forwards coming mind bernd trunschka andreas brockmann ernst koepf dusseldorf fans team joined include koln cologne anglophiles make happy volker marcu 
goalie masks reply kerryy organization ottawa lines article brifre writes mask drawings band aids puck goalie stopped face head remember games gerry cheevers mask stitches painted dryden mask classic archetype time 
islanders nntp posting host reply wangr organization rensselaer polytechnic institute troy lines 
team captains reply lmcdapi ericsson organization ericsson communication lines nntp posting host bison ericsson disclaimer article posted user ericsson opinions expressed strictly user necessarily ericsson article anna matyas writes michael collingridge writes subject captain traded resigned striped title season team captain trivia appreciated wasn francis captain whalers traded pittsburgh chris chelios montreal captain carbonneau traded chicago denis savard peter stastny captain quebec nordiques traded jersey mark messier captain edmonton oilers traded york dale hawerchuk winnipeg traded buffalo captain forget wayne traded captain strip wendel clark capta incy toronto updates thoughts cheer daniel piche design ericsson communications decarie blvd floor town mont royal quebec mail lmcdapi ericsson memoid lmcdapi cheers 
schedule games sunday organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host hela cwru hockey fans bonjour tout monde salt lake city past sunday local station decided televise hockey games directrous programme tete merde satellite dish friends hockey invited watch games coming sunday find correct game times calgary game times showing games played coming sunday mucked schedule able pull games dish schedule pleas emial telent sport hockey difficult link advance merci avance anglais francais accord roland behunin behunin behunin hill roland 
wings game keywords detroit wings toronto maple leafs organization university toronto chemistry department lines article maynard laurentian roger maynard writes vergolin david vergolini writes detroit wings doubter tonight washing toronto maple leafs toronto fans power mighty wing offense toronto defense match wing offense defense probert kennedey primeau move probert back defense parking front potvin night discipline probert leafs series fresh clark long probert shift straigten regular season intensity teams forwards continually park front opposing teams inadequacy leafs defense regard matter playoffs story good team players potted plants front potvin leafs unphysical defensive core finally exposed weak inept hard work long regular season points leafs deserve credit playoffs talent matters begins working hard gerald 
cherry coach corner summary april organization university toronto chemistry department lines article james murawski writes cherry coach corner user allan sullivan ualber writes clip shown earlier episode proclaiming doug gilmour player world players lemieux gilmour player designated point getter baseball designatted hitter score runs play defense gilmour good player clip shown local news pittsburgh night kdka complete animated sarcasm sportscaster time cherry shown local pittsburgh news couple weeks times blasting lemieux designated point getter remarks meant lemieux gretzky bure made remarks december lemieux diagnosed hodgkin leafs started half roll gilmour great season recognized people gerald 
coverage organization university toronto chemistry department distribution lines article anna matyas writes thorne good clement miss mike emrick boyfriend hockey looked point pretty good announcers rick tocchet charles bronson imho clement pleasant personality aggravatingly pleasant opinion terrible analyst alway wrong prototypical jersey goal sunday grew dick irvin color danny gallivan knew irvin dick irvin friend mine bill clement dick irvin long teams involved include national team york rangers john davidson bill clement gerald 
pens playoff radio coverage radio stations organization bowling green state university lines article lori iannamico wrote morning post gazette pens carried kdka radio pirates playing pirates play games carried wdve wdve carry games starting tonight game fact season kdka longer flagship station pens penguins struck deal radio rights games wdve flagship radio station season carry games games simulcast kdka remaining games early round playoff games subscription receive games time hook monthly dollars deal longer radio simulcasts broadcast team radio broadcast team word announcers mike lange paul steigerwald contract kdka contracts expire season president bill craig hire lange steigerwald lori contact penguins noo mindscheme simmons broke miles home school year able pick sort make mike steigy static kdka reason transfer duquesne live home announce paulson krenn kidding george 
burns organization microsystems lines distribution world reply jake nntp posting host rambler keywords leaf wings leafs leaf supporter leafs short miracle stroke genenius hits burns burns living area leaf coverage pull comments leaf detroit line match basic idea andreychuck borchevsky business playing wings small leafs success clark centre presence stick lengths slot hell anderson anderson days past peoples skin bluntly anderson asshole good leafs shut detroit line dissappointed shepard yserbeart flying night swing players wings year major choke playoffs blame quick exit wings happen clark anderson gilmour able hustle line anderson nasty yserbeart clark bang hell sheppard score gilmour score suggestions clarke anderson gilmour sheppard yserbeart andreychuck borchevsy detroit checking line toronto checking line yzerman fedorov probert pray lots suggested bench andreychuck borchevsky stir things monkey wrench detroits game plan detroit coaching dumb play checking line finesse players play potvin faulted goals hellamond faulted leafs demise wings defense shut leafs slot hope burns realizes team skated coached monday night loss poor goaltending officiating calls drastic measures monday jake leafs 
radio stations organization software engineering institute lines article ragraca oakland randy graca writes pittsburgh penguins games broadcast kdka empted baseball moved station local baseball teams playing time randy pens broadcast wdve carol 
bowman whining organization university libraries library carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew guessed time annual pittsburgh penguins whine thon bowman complaning cheap shots devils game bowman great coach cheap shots compared guess able notice cheap shots made white amazing black gold colored glasses nice dive high stick mario knew high stick stayed feet saved diving talent stirring ralph 
game choices reply carleton rachel holme organization national capital freenet lines previous article article boora godfather writes great chance double headers toronto detroit vancouver winnipeg today east leafs west vancouver game thought show totally vancouver winnipeg great west coast hockey fast paced loads talent entertaining exception shift missed calgary pitts jersey pinheads figure ontario cares leafs maple leafs leafs half southern ontario people moved west good folks toronto care show doubleheader heck game canadian teams desperate news watch national newsworld canada ends windsor grr amen updates mins headline news crying loud cheaper phone calls system ring adams linden scores rings bure rushes scores carleton rachel holme 
matt militzok read organization bowling green state university lines wasting space matt posted mailing list playoff stats lost address list george 
wings organization university toronto chemistry department lines article ragraca oakland randy graca writes golchowy chem utoronto gerald olchowy writes bryan murray yzerman fedorov cheveldae chaisson russian strategy product previous murray made couple decent trades rank teams liking russian players russian strategy specific detroit devellano murray previous trade players teams notably memory murray craven good years philly leaving volume trades necessarily improve team quality trading adam oates bernie federko plain stupid federko great player time murray trades worked significantly wings advantage soured injury players involved troy crowder suffered back problems recovered devallano earlier extensively russian strategy waste high draft choices young russians devallano succombed demers pleading make oates federko trade deal sealed fate murray made decent trades doubt stupidity cheapness teams brilliance part washington cheap ciccarelli essentially gave carson anchor team able sucker rookie give paul coffey deadweight detroit fails year defenseman short wasted opportunity manson unable pull trigger judgement yzerman years prime gerald 
murray wings organization university toronto chemistry department lines article smorris lerc nasa morris writes gerald murray responsible primeau ready admit horrible pick hired draft made sense pick lapointe primeau necessarily pick locate beginning murray decisions slowness trading carson delayed primeau development wait longer players primeau good player point game player team yzerman fedorov primeau joel otto goals season plays extremely good pick gerald 
panther president organization university toronto chemistry department lines article jimg gorycki writes sentinel torrey architect consecutive stanley champions persident general manager york islanders years bill torrey ties signature andre agassi hair panthers introduce uniform insignia ticket price information early month meantime huizenga leaves operation hands torrey clarke jose sharks ottawa senators wager sharks senators panthers gerald 
results april organization university toronto chemistry department lines article steveg steve gallichio writes gerald olchowy golchowy chem utoronto writes podein interesting case eligible play cape breton playoffs kovalev zubov andersson sather pocklington total scrooges makes case massively outclassed paramount york rangers policy players minor league playoffs versus rangers holding back kovalev zubov andersson binghamton whalers wanted michael nylander play springfield nylander wanted play sweden whalers allowed decide chose differ rangers oilers whalers league forced nylander play springfield ultimately teams choice prefer annoy european hockey federations force teams free players whalers annoy farm team affiliate gerald 
nords habs robbed lines newsreader version deepak chhabra dchhabra ists wrote speaking great players quebec skate team potent rush long time watching break zone sundin treat watch remind army dchhabra ists pissed habs yeah nords good excuse bias watched pens rush answer footage season pens played nords watching younger double pens nords looked good point lost ravi shah shah sica ideas portara approx translation music bring ideas siempre continuara continue forever sonido electro nico electronic sound decibel sinte tico musique stop synthetic decibel kraftwerk 
thumbs espn keywords espn detroit toronto hockey coverage nntp posting host organization washington university louis distribution lines article seth peter clark writes leave room times night baseball games break back studio mentioned show hockey wife hoping rain baseball game feed tommorrow night point glad showed hockey baseball watched baseball night pete clark games schedule espn shows classic games previous season fill time slot ashkar contact blues saint louis wustl blues 
thumbs espn organization university virginia lines bitching hockey coverage espn detroit toronto game televised nite thankful hockey night supposed carried espn matter televised game craig 
remarks president clinton ncaa division champion hockey team nigel allen reply nigel allen distribution organization canada remote systems lines press release white house remarks president clinton ncaa division champion hockey team april national desk contact white house office press secretary washington april transcript remarks president clinton university maine black bears ncaa division hockey champions rose garden president good morning ladies gentlemen honor university maine black bears winner ncaa division hockey national championship rose garden white house understand senator mitchell team university maine national championship glad inspired team pulled championship entire state pulled cheer victory coming state small size filled pride tradition community understand people maine feel black bears state people talking time orange bowl number ranked football team back years people maine proud team today state football slightly popular sport hockey laughter spending months banged town understand hockey hockey tough game hard hitting sport virtue penalty delay game rule senate laughter government hockey leadership important united states senate team great captain majority leader senior senator maine george mitchell junior senator cohen young imagine laughter bitter senator cohen younger hockey team captain montgomery great scored winning goal late championship game leading victory sport brings individuals teams communities share pride senator mitchell senator cohen congressman andrews people maine feel black bears shown play team bring important young people america achieved outstanding things working white house recognized appreciated country remember kinds values kinds virtues ingrained lives role model glad today applause president presented team jersey applause president great love beautiful applause president presented autographed stick president great applause president authorize move waco morning president aware attorney general made decision refer questions instructions executed president made tactical decisions judgment raid president refer talk attorney general knew decisions tactical decisions senator mitchell talk morning chance stimulus package president senator mitchell quarter laughter laughter senator mitchell quarter president ready laughter senator mitchell worth quarter chance bill president talked happen week senate meetings rest week minutes talk agreed back noon talk senator dole weekend compromise compromise president senator dole republicans senate voted kind thing ronald reagan research majority time voted total emergency spending measures totalling billion reagan bush president administrations purposes worthy putting american people back work back revisit research position taking credible tough year deficit reduction plan costs covered time people paid history base position years vote stimulus measures kind putting american people back work chance work hopeful today tomorrow feeling pretty good press canada remote systems toronto ontario 
wirtz weenie organization university pittsburgh lines article robert angelo pleshar writes news penguins announced yesterday fewer broadcast games games sort subscription view system yuck incorrect year pens games free games year games free subscription basis free game year radio games good deal year bitched baldwin breaking team nucleus team takes money creative generate revenue afford team people bitch dean dean falcione badges badges jrmst permission stinkin owner mcdonald badges 
coverage distribution lines newsreader version joseph stiehm wrote complaint cameramen jersey pitt series show shots hits occassion camera zoomed check boards puck slot panned back show rebound camera people experienced joseph stiehm biggest complaint coverage follow damn puck ravi shah shah sica ideas portara approx translation music bring ideas siempre continuara continue forever sonido electro nico electronic sound decibel sinte tico musique stop synthetic decibel kraftwerk 
burns keywords leaf wings organization university toronto chemistry department lines article jake writes leafs leaf supporter leafs short miracle stroke genenius hits burns burns pray wings lazy overconfident wings lose series toronto doug gilmour leafs tampa leafs deserve credit diligent effort regular season detroit puts reasonable effort contest gerald 
burns organization wayne state university detroit lines nntp posting host wayne article jake jason cockroft writes suggestions clarke anderson gilmour sheppard yserbeart andreychuck borchevsy detroit checking line toronto checking line yzerman fedorov probert pray lots wings thing opponent line combinations correct match yzerman fedorov probert line powerplay players play lines toronto checking line pull triple shift wings lines gallant yzerman ciccarelli kozlov fedorov drake kennedy burr probert ysebaert primeau sheppard start praying laurie marshall wayne state university detroit michigan wings 
area media wings leafs coverage nntp posting host spot colorado organization university colorado boulder lines maynard laurentian roger maynard writes dreier berkeley roland dreier writes francisco area media reporting tonight detroit wings beat toronto maple leafs part media conspiracy leafs game expecting leafs shutout potvin trick andreychuk goal assists gilmour leafs lost penalties whichever biased game call leafs wings california francisco area media report montana rumoured leading candidate replace fired jose sharks coach george kingston apparently montana coveted winning attitude playing coach expected quarterback powerplay good comeback quick intelligence continues amaze john franjione department chemical engineering university colorado boulder franjion colorado 
burns keywords leaf wings organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury lines golchowy chem utoronto gerald olchowy writes pray wings lazy overconfident wings lose series toronto doug gilmour leafs tampa gerald probert wings dead octopuses leafs deserve credit diligent effort regular season detroit puts reasonable effort contest wait body cold start eulogies lost game game detroit potvin evening thought leafs sweep wings leafs wings home advantage game cordially maynard laurentian morons time 
goalie masks organization lines nntp posting host autarch acsu buffalo article dchhabra ists deepak chhabra writes give fuhr honourable mention closely looked good distance buffalo sabres recall price paint mask total price ouch valerie hammerl birtday event friends hammerl buffalo dessert fire acscvjh buffalo laugh sing frantically pwwpz buffalo blow 
octopus detroit organization lines nntp posting host autarch acsu buffalo article farenebt camp clarkson droopy writes fact tradition passed affiliate adirondack finals legged creature hurled frozen pond landed feet lance roberts passed toronto octopus year bruins sabres game knew detroit version puzzling valerie hammerl birtday event friends hammerl buffalo dessert fire acscvjh buffalo laugh sing frantically pwwpz buffalo blow 
pens playoff radio coverage radio stations organization purdue university engineering computer network lines article bgsu george pavlic writes noo mindscheme simmons broke miles home school year able pick sort make mike steigy static kdka reason transfer duquesne live home announce paulson krenn kidding george listen kevin stamber purdue university waiting hear free bird penguins theme 
list times metropolitan toronto golf courses monday organization purdue university engineering computer network lines kevin stamber purdue university phil kirzyc kielbasa roam arena interviews 
announcers espn lack coverage atlanta originator organization philips laboratories briarcliff lines article dchhabra ists deepak chhabra writes solution problem move canada yesterday able watch games pitt buff series watching hockey playoffs consecutive nights counted pure guess worst thing year rangers games scny time cover amount coverage commentaters great impressed audience schooled hockey lore excellent impartial thorne earns money part earning sportschannel devils announcer unbiased orgasmic goals team scores excited great saves good explaining things hockey types offending follow sport unlike clowns playoff time flame bait pittsburgh fans mike lang spontaneous reading rehearsed lines hockey john curcio bruins philips laboratories philips scarborough road briarcliff manor 
list times metropolitan toronto golf courses monday organization computer science dept univ western ontario london canada nntp posting host obelix gaul lines article stamber purdue kevin stamber writes kevin stamber purdue university phil kirzyc kielbasa roam arena interviews woops sport hockey sport golf hope check newsgroup header time posting steve steve university western ontario london canada gaul 
hockey hispanic market organization university waterloo distribution lines article icop antonio pera writes article saross louisville stacey ross writes rickc corp richard casares writes hard time selling sport community play account availability financial reasons hockey pretty sport white crap interested intelligent discussion answer question answer ques crap half crap understand expensive play hockey south border cheap hear equipement year haven played years states time considerably expensive cost thousand year compare baseball hockey sport brings fact majority white original question hispanic communtiy playing hockey cheers ingo uwaterloo violent body iwweigel uwaterloo contact sports ingo watstar uwaterloo watch lower class iwweigele watstar uwaterloo paul fussell university waterloo opinion 
team captains organization lines nntp posting host autarch acsu buffalo article lmcdapi ericsson writes article anna matyas writes michael collingridge writes subject captain traded resigned striped title season team captain trivia appreciated wasn francis captain whalers traded pittsburgh chris chelios montreal captain carbonneau traded chicago denis savard peter stastny captain quebec nordiques traded jersey mark messier captain edmonton oilers traded york dale hawerchuk winnipeg traded buffalo captain forget wayne traded captain strip wendel clark captaincy toronto buffalo started tradition trading captains lafontaine awarded captaincy mike ramsey forced give ramsey penguin ramsey inherited mike foligno leaf turn inherited lindy ruff forget ruff perreault retired guess streak started danny gare captain detroit scoenfeld gerry meehan floyd smith reverse order young time fate schoenfeld ultimately detroit boston meehan vancouver atlanta washington smith hung skates buffalo captaincy removed games played buffalo fascinating captaincy buffalo sign traded franchise player valerie hammerl birtday event friends hammerl buffalo dessert fire acscvjh buffalo laugh sing frantically pwwpz buffalo blow 
area media wings leafs coverage organization personal opinions lines article maynard laurentian roger maynard writes dreier berkeley roland dreier writes francisco area media reporting tonight detroit wings beat toronto maple leafs part media conspiracy leafs game expecting leafs shutout potvin trick andreychuk goal assists gilmour leafs lost penalties whichever biased game call leafs wings california francisco area media report montana rumoured leading candidate replace fired jose sharks coach george kingston apparently montana coveted winning attitude playing coach expected quarterback powerplay close roger banana avocado artichoke geracie murky news kingston quarterback determine kidding happen pound enuff pints week back check stooper idiot purdy column worth leafs laughs depressed read comicle mark mark spiegel spiegel lockheed palace epicenter 
team captains lines organization memorial university john nfld canada subject captain traded resigned striped title season team captain trivia appreciated mike foligno captain buffalo sabres traded toronto stephen legge slegge 
playoff leaders april organization university brunswick distribution sport hockey lines playoff leaders april player team lemieux juneau noonan mogilny neely brown jagr oates carson hunter stevens cullen hull khristich linden racine shanahan sydor yzerman bure coffey drake emerson courtnall johansson lapointe niedermayer ramsey sandstrom smehlik stevens adams barr bellows burr chiasson craven dahlquist dionne felsner ferraro francis gilmour hannan heinze howe huddy king lafontaine lefebvre mcsorley millen ronning rucinsky sakic sheppard steen suter sweeney tipett yawney young barnes borschevsky brunet chelios ciccarelli clark desjardins dipietro donnelly driver duchesne ellett elynuik flatley fleury gallant gill granato gretzky guerin hawerchuk holik housley janney brown khmylev krygier larmer macinnis matteau mceachern mclean mcrae mullen muller murphy murzyn otto pearson pivonka primeau probert reichel ricci robitaille roenick samuelsson semak shannon shuchuk sundin sutter taylor tocchet vaske maurice richard 
leafs versus wings lines organization memorial university john nfld canada long leafs play short handed expected score fine penely killing couple minutes point spent virtually entire game short handed coming penelty grouped penalized sheesh gilmour calling push shove game teams pearson favorite leafs played bonehead personally screw good scoring opportunities bonehead minute major high sticking penalty cullen stronger return injury hand full games played good game players line smarten line clark tough intimidate send clark left wing blue line couple times patented wrist shot numbers board pearson heck benched hate repeat grapes heck foligno zezel checking macllwain move speed potvin couple weeks potvin messed couple games playoffs year easily prediction week toronto games wins blow outs game wins close stand fret leafs fans order team burns make magic lines match wings line line team checking hard numbered leafs wednesday night home games stephen leaf legge slegge 
octopus organization hewlett packard newsreader version lines detroit game night octopus thrown meaning symbolism throw fish spokane afew years knew 
nhlpa poll partial stats results caldwell organization mount royal college calgary alberta lines article young writes people send polls closer deep team capable goalies excellent forwards defensemen shooter richer todd chef stasny master thousand dishes power play kevin todd oiler months closely follow devils jeez alan 
breaker isles devils caldwell organization mount royal college calgary alberta lines article wangr wang writes people stupid breaker record people soo stuppid list breaker breaker record thought people good hockey great math teams ahve points record retard people breaker enlighten thing called worth point good math bear worth points ties team played games lost points team played games tied points tied standings records learn hockey posting starting sound roger alan 
wings organization oakland university rochester michigan lines nntp posting host vela oakland gballent uvic greg ballentine writes fine murray hockey contender honor murray great claim wings stanley great claim missed points takes great stanley list gave earlier agree argue back days avail hockey matter opinion opinion mine point original original post stated murray abilities coaching abilities leads poor coach claim intelligent hire coach push team level success point personal emotional element involved transcends murray logical thought outsiders fine hire coach fact talked past press detroit built business murray past round playoffs coach prove world capable coaching team past round papers monkey back matter intelligence pride foolish pride stand sound logic time time eventually step bench concentrate duties team improve result coaching duties time spent work sense steps coach good murray average unspectacular coach pretty good true agree discussing gregmeister randy 
schedule organization microsystems mountain view lines nntp posting host teal article columbia gary dare writes espn making sportschannel america good philadelphia chicago reason sportschannel local baseball broadcasts local baseball empted playoffs playoff season espn hockey days game sportschannel games people hockey watch hockey ratings hockey sunday toilet week fewer affiliates hockey thread watch games regular contributor xenophobes north border needn fear americanization game americans figure market hockey support team support game mike eisler leafs team fans intelligent insightful pittsburgh players mighty bright wallet back brittenson leaf woofers sport hockey 
nords habs robbed organization csri university toronto lines article dchhabra ists deepak chhabra writes article writes aargh paul stewart worst biased presently called total penalties habs nordiques nords penalty stewart nordique call penalties habs letting nords murder robbed patrick reason game lost hextall reason quebec goaltending goaltending montreal reason game tied case dionne cool hextall gave questionable goals dionne bellows shots misplayed hextall gaffes early game care stood head minutes game nords rushing kamensky mini break tying goal shot young excellent chances stopped outplayed hextall game villain hextall hero team make full opportunities hextall hand lucky bounces played haller shot post rebound bouncing bellows stick brunet breakaway chances leclair opportunities finished montreal cost hextall brilliant plays blaming stewart excuse avoid facing fact allowed worst goals possibly shot dammit excuse goal timing stank explosive team quebec gave opportunity powerplay totally unnecessary montreal played solid game clear traffic front loss schneider hurt disagree played screened night defense time season played remarkably keeping sakic nolan sundin slot night team blows goal lead minutes regulation time playoff game smacked upside collective heads team loss keane able clear zone prior quebec goal team loss leclair missed opportunities bellows brunet dionne penalty damphousse lebeau silent carbonneau savard step night gave goal means singled loss paid money play looked player industrial league sakic shot hextall dionne goal paid money compared goalies defense lack played front season demers start racicot game damn team read papers article montreal media quickest heap praise hurl derogatory comments habs uninformed fans read papers played minutes burnsian hockey shut quebec tonight rest series extra light face quebec rubbish guaranteed series taught lesson fans media racicot rest team wrap goal scott young defender remember place correct goal agree goal great piece work young posts covered young flipped puck wrapped goal yaska yaska toronto dept electrical computer engineering sankar university toronto toronto canada 
matt militzok read organization bowling green state university lines article bgsu george pavlic wrote wasting space matt posted mailing list playoff stats lost address list george guess address bgsu 
list times metropolitan toronto golf courses monday organization acadia university lines steve writes article stamber purdue kevin stamber writes woops sport hockey sport golf hope check newsgroup header time posting steve university western ontario london canada gaul steve refering leafs expected greens acadia axemen ciau champions donald smith acadiau 
area media wings leafs coverage organization university toronto epas nntp posting host epas utoronto lines yeah news true leafs lost wings game husband wanted watch young guns channel time tuned leafs time tuned heard score happened woofing wings fans favourite team make past leafs luck potvin fist playoff game susan carroll clark likes doug gilmour plays 
sharks kingston fired organization stanford exploration project lines distribution world nntp posting host himalaya stanford article snichols sherri nichols writes article terry stanford terry wong writes jack ferreira firing eventually kingston firing mention consistency vision sharks lost loss ferreira headed worked person making personnel decisions management committee conventional wisdom league ferreira made moves fielded product ferreira accomplished headed ship heat explained things ferreira ferreira made trades traded made fewer trades traded headed guiding principle veterans favor youngsters offered significant advantage season contracts veterans maginal contributions fenton bozek anderson couple remember bought idea youngsters play potential improve older traded mullen wanted good optimistic thinking make contributions season skriko brought trial basis thought decent contributor worth keeping youth movement advantages gaudreau veterans find balance steve cole steve stanford apple steve department geophysics stanford university stanford 
breaker isles devils organization western kentucky university bowling green lines article maynard laurentian roger maynard writes wangr wang writes great math teams ahve points record retard people breaker smileys figure poster wordprocessor smarter great math cordially maynard laurentian morons time roger lecture smileys sweet hipocracy lets caps 
usenet playoff hockey pool game standings organization idacom division hewlett packard lines standings game divisional semi finals post standings game days managed recover email lost saturday night missing mail arrived early saturday morning sunday afternoon people teams received replies back team list resend team kind proof weekend case pool trust person honest inconvenience hope pool andrew usenet hockey playoff draft standings posn team posn sneddon scorers borg dave wessels bruce rented mules great expectations hurricane andrew jerky boys homesick hawaiian give money monday einstien punk band zipper heads tapio repo detroit homeboy dead ducks mike burger test department team elvis craig team skate debbie bowles fuzzfaces galore suds campi machine zachmans wingers sean forbes threepeat flamming senators team awesome bury purdue ricks pens flyers seppo kemppainen paige faults weenies chris roney rednecks hockey hell mind sweepers teem kanada northern lights fugazi delaware destroyers mopar muscle lance hill boston bruins garryola oakville brothers dogs cluster buster stein frank wankers milton keynes kings promise land rangers destiny zealand leafs loaded weapons bloom county stars robarts research rebels tiger chung lees goddess fermentation make beliefs mundo heikki salmi underwriters muller walker controversy warriors bjorkloven norway killerwhales holsteins buffalo soldiers lemon pepper grizzly bears frack attack houdini magicians rangers rangers blow dave hiebert loke canadian gladiators littlest giants stars kickers beer makes expert force creosote goobmeister mulberry maulers rebels bosse zippety doodah kramer george jerry dehradun maawalis sludge rock sock brians bloodletters grant marven arctic circles kane trevor triumph mark steve dreaming goaldingers bjoern leaguen habs playing golf shigella jersey steves superstars bombers doug bowles neural netters lippe lets pandas raisins daves knee jerk picks monica loke jason team reneb schott shooters gilles carmel lewey lakers smithw east city jokers daryl turner doug mraz skriko wolves icemachine lamp lighters thin crak head samuel calgary alberta comfortably numb reksa fans oulu gail hiebert wait marcs maulers danielle leblanc bobby schmautz club ottawa bearcats boops bets triple timo ojala flying pigs eradicators isle colonists commitments bure blur great scott weasels tequila shooters whiters frasses faceplants high stickers paranjape lord stanley favourites jose mahi mahi mann mariners dream team stacey ross louisiana psycho killers coupe stainless fighting amish evan pritchard stanias stars pens dynasty oceanweavers gagit myllypuro hedgehogs hammer legzryx chapman chaps dean martin cherry bombers sluggo hosers anson knights power play canuck force butt ends beam team jukurit chapman sticks cruyenaere goons tampere salami sparky select hillside raiders eldoret elephants jane world alarmers rolaids required chip dale brian bergman killer kings montys nords arsenal maple leafs martin equipe jour lisa luggers andrew scott andrew idacom telecom operation roman considered 
canada sweden world champioships nntp posting host sanjuan uvic organization university victoria victoria canada lines article white hollandc baby writes today world championships munich canada scored impressive victory defending world champs sweden brind amour scored kevin white white hollandc allen larsen university victoria plarsen uvic 
minnesota scene nntp posting host psci polisci organization department political science university minnesota lines wondering happening minnesota local news newspaper people area hockey team columnist paul pioneer press wrote article giving inside scoop issue local sites competing team candiates move twin cities sites target center civic center paul center columnist pretty confident minnesota team target center ultimately argued competition sites delay process considerably inter site competition columnist remember believes minnesota team season situation timberwolves things delayed city minneapolis takes target center center destroyed city lose money competition conventions short term events hockey target mess study months conducted future viability center delays process hope study cancelled effect knocking center running encouraging minneapolis target center sooner city encourged wrecking ball happen candidates teams hartford tampa jersey prefer devils minnesota demons lightning potential announced neutral site games played target center year apparently devils interested playing games surprised hartford tampa show minnesota team years sabres robert andolina buffalonian living minneapolis randolin 
aargh great hockey coverage devils nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall lines robbie writes columbia gary dare original poster devils victory tape delay happen game original poster complaint coverage meaningless yankee game playoff devils game apologize misinterpreted problem offence teams patrick dislike devils lover sport team metro york area decade exist entity espn coverage starts tonight sabres bruins replacement game devils penguins game played scny islanders caps overflow game scny sabres bruins ends early devils penguins game assuming espn previous patterns minute islanders rangers overtime weeks espn coverage started night accident writers pointed wild wrestling evening souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
schedule nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall lines mike eisler writes columbia gary dare writes espn making sportschannel america good philadelphia chicago reason sportschannel local baseball broadcasts point areas finally games nagging back skull network national rights pocket sports news awesome overtime quebec city update show satellite feedhorn people hockey watch hockey ratings hockey sunday toilet today times great ratings chicago louis kings flames west coast metro york devils squandered newfound support year played rangers comparison seniors golf week fewer affiliates hockey fear national numbers great advance marketing watch made solid cable espn sold rights party systems sportschannel making extra money sitting games hockey fans necessarily watching season beach volleyball playoffs games shown souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
organization worcester polytechnic institute lines distribution world nntp posting host bigwpi players wearing borque bruins greatly appreciated logistician reigns supreme blue tigers pistons lions wings ching 
thumbs espn organization western kentucky university bowling green lines agree great espn people show detroit game roommate threw octopus explaining significance problem blotted local commentators baseball music wings player boards injuring shoulder blotted injury report hats espn make habit yeah baseball seasons started zz lets caps 
atlanta hockey hell organization western kentucky university bowling green lines give sportchannel call turner network covering playoffs years back good days lived florida florida petes sake watch hockey night espn alternated coverage nights guess simple home office back past solve problem present complain watch playoffs change hooray espn schedulers realise teams pittsberg patrick sounds suess book lets caps 
burns keywords leaf wings organization university toronto chemistry department lines article mhembruc mattias hembruch writes hell anderson anderson days past peoples skin bluntly anderson asshole good agreed anderson night expect burns playing krushelnyski baumgartner anderson finisher play puck finishing position scoring gerald 
hockey coverage nntp posting host assn ualberta organization university alberta edmonton canada lines general question readers extensive playoff coverage canada impossible watch series series opportunity watch year wash wrong time zone canada basically swamped coverage series games televised nationally locally precedence local news games double email waste bandwidth news feed kind slow 
probert wendall organization michigan state university lines nntp posting host haydn summary game series rougher keywords fight break game detroit toronto series rougher game clark coming hitting cylindars probert exception fight clark probert result sounds kind ridiculous game toronto hitting takers issue 
cannucks reply grogers slac stanford greg rogers organization stanford linear accelerator center lines living area unable vancouver victory jets night score rarely describes game post sonapsis waht happened team play cannucks deserving victory kind soul email season individual player stats greg vancouver virtual reality 
burns organization eastman kodak company rochester newsreader version lines jason cockroft jake wrote leafs leaf supporter leafs short miracle stroke genenius hits root team andreychuck borchevsky business playing wings small leafs success clark centre andreychuk small slow sloth small andreychunk call disappear playoff time main problems playing buffalo leafs sabres dave blaszyk mail kodak mail eastman kodak plant bldg rochester york 
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beat pittsburgh organization crin inria lorraine lines article apanjabi georgetown writes article robert angelo pleshar writes nntp posting host andrew reply anna matyas clone chelios personality transplant defensemen islanders capitals devils gerald words turn assholes spend lots time penalty lots misconducts chelios yeah team scoring play minutes game play power play kill penalties defenseman league team chelioses penalty kill ralph beat pittsburgh mario lemieux death kimo slash skull rangers slashing wrist jaromir jagr deportation send back commie country bill clinton kevin stevens fighting call probert call domi call grandmother kick pittsburgh players playing stanley devaluated iskander ayari email iskander ayari ayari 
smiths birthday goal leafs caldwell organization mount royal college calgary alberta lines article michael mcdowell writes article math uwaterloo chow uwaterloo kevin writes goals steve smith people blame grant fuhr goal smith common play puck back goalie deep pressure offensive team fuhr position puck crossed line account sound goal mike smith fired breakout pass fuhr back fuhr backing time happened puck straight fuhr fuhr chance play back goaltender fact perry berezan calgary dumped smith retrieving unfortunate happened smith nice rookie time birthday blame lies starting coaches players make cross pass front chance intercepted hitting goaltender people smith cost oilers series team lose games reason powerhouse team edmonton tied late period game round team responsibility situation alan 
potvin goalie mask caldwell organization mount royal college calgary alberta lines article allan ualberta allan sullivan writes slegge writes wtahcing guard hockey week yesterday feature masks goalies talked made made designs talked held current leafs crest chin awesome black panther forehead mask felix potvin program current grant fuhr black panther forehead mask played leafs logical mask potvins nickname long ways explaining panther story mask fuhrs alan 
organization university buffalo lines news software vnews nntp posting host ubvmsb buffalo standings march immediately project post email andy hillery school architecture state university york buffalo 
smiths birthday goal leafs organization university calgary computer science lines article layfield ucalgary colin layfield writes article writes article math uwaterloo chow uwaterloo kevin writes goals steve smith people blame grant fuhr goal smith common play puck back goalie deep pressure offensive team fuhr position puck crossed line mike mcdowell disagree common years watching hockey happen league watching agree colin agree puck smith mind fault common play play puck smith luckily scrimmage craig 
blues playoffs beat keywords blues shanahan joseph hull minnesota nntp posting host organization washington university louis lines dave luecking post dispatch staff thursday night scoreboard watchers arena began cheer cheer quickly turned roar finally sellout crowd rose rock barn oakland avenue salute playoff bound blues scoreboard flashed news detroit wings stars north stars loss blues officially clinched fourth place final playoff spot norris division good thing blues quit playing held lead tampa detroit minnesota final appeared minutes remaining period promptly sleep barely held victory slipped buzzer tampa beers tipped pass shawn chambers officiating supervisor john amico video goal judge rich schweigler ruled shot time expired glad blues coach berry goal counted upset blues disappearance final minutes holding victory making playoffs tempered berry anger pretty played great minutes good played year slipped blues prompting ovation crowd game shoddy effort period turmoil season blues made playoffs meet chicago blackhawks norris division semifinal beginning noon sunday chicago stadium blues finished regular season record points fourth consecutive season minnesota finished points place record points tampa played spoiler week tying blues tampa ended season record points poor finish cast unnecessary shadow joyous blues locker room mood relief disappointment shame kevin miller blues score goals brendan shanahan bassen letdown working ended happy players happy make playoffs matters brett hull scoreless minus night tough play players problem score announced line quit rich sutter played bassen miller game play goals disappointing bassen frantic bench blues effort missed announcement minnesota loss final kind bench realize final reason playoffs great disappointing play letdown precisely reason berry instructed scoreboard operators minnesota detroit score board score showed popped detroit leading period blues time told score score berry felt game approach minnesota lead berry feared pressure bother blues detroit worried blues quit announcement blues played splendidly shanahan crowd period scoring season miller bassen charge late period teams playing miller broke left wing deked defenseman roman hamrlik beat blues goalie jablonski rebound shot seconds remaining period seconds bassen rifled long slap shot past jablonski defenseman rick zombo intercepted tampa pass neutral zone bassen made seconds period scoring rebound bret hedican shot goal gave goal game season reminded special friend year bassen befriended young oliver mulvihill died rare form cancer thinking buddy oliver bassen heaven watching happy miller increased blues lead break goal zombo steve maltais broke curtis joseph shutout seconds making minute north stars final announced bergland scored lead shanahan scored converting pass nelson emerson seconds remaining period lightning adam creighton scored seconds period prompting berry rest overworked joseph hebert allowed goals shawn chambers danton cole span midway period goals chambers cole made shanahan goal stand winner shanahan game ashkar contact blues saint louis wustl blues 
results games played organization keywords wednesday night boxscores lines results games played standings patrick adams norris smythe xpit xbos xchi xvan ywas yque ydet ycal ymon ytor ynyi ybuf ywin clinched division title clinched playoff berth boston bruins ottawa senators period roberts juneau wiemer juneau oates period neely juneau murphy hughes richer kimble archibald rumble lamb period boschman kudelski powerplay opportunities bruins senators shots goal bruins senators boston bruins moog shots saves blue shots saves ottawa senators sidorkiewicz shots saves berthiaume shots saves washington capitals york rangers period period period bondra pivonka cavallini bondra cote pivonka powerplay opportunities capitals rangers shots goal capitals rangers washington capitals tabaracci shots saves york rangers richter shots saves york islanders hartford whalers period ferraro malakhov king hogue thomas turgeon yake poulin yake nylander poulin period verbeek cassels weinrich thomas king ferraro period burt sanderson cassels malakhov hogue overtime janssens poulin powerplay opportunities islanders whalers shots goal islanders whalers york islanders fitzpatrick shots saves hartford whalers lenaduzzi shots saves pittsburgh penguins jersey devils period daniels needham tippett lemieux semak driver stevens tocchet murphy zelepukin driver niedermayer period lemieux stevens tocchet semak lemieux zelepukin mceachern jagr barrasso stevens guerin pellerin lemieux richer nicholls lemieux semak zelepukin period mullen jagr lemieux overtime powerplay opportunities penguins devils shots goal penguins devils pittsburgh penguins barrasso shots saves jersey devils billington shots saves spike 
smiths birthday goal leafs organization university calgary computer science lines article writes article math uwaterloo chow uwaterloo kevin writes goals steve smith people blame grant fuhr goal smith common play puck back goalie deep pressure offensive team fuhr position puck crossed line mike mcdowell disagree common years watching hockey happen league watching agree colin layfield religion power plays manipulate people money university calgary selling skin selling computer science numbers credit cards layfield ucalgary queensryche 
european expansion cked system originator organization philips laboratories briarcliff lines long support teams ranger based corporate thinking term lightly good product duffuses fill arena ottawa record year long maple leafs nordiques similar logic fielded teams solely field teams maple leafs dead charge cheapest teams history sport guess immensely popular gate nordiques team missed playoffs years british european soccer problems humor major problems occasion make home match soccer fans tend fanatical montreal fans firebomb players coaches houses play pathetically john curcio bruins philips laboratories philips scarborough road briarcliff manor 
schedule week originator organization philips laboratories briarcliff distribution lines article colostate michael burger writes united states schedule april devils islanders pittsburgh eastern time zone april louis chicago cent time zones april angeles calgary pacific time zone april devils islanders pittsburgh espn april espn april espn alternate games cities local broadcast rights protected love bruins couple times patrick bias shown espn tells wait conference finals john curcio bruins philips laboratories philips scarborough road briarcliff manor 
hawks return finals organization motorola nntp posting host lines article cubrj brian johnson writes hawks division road easier playoffs toronto detroit beat hell chicago sweeps louis makes easier round rest conf champ hard time versus division pretty battered advantage hawks bring pitt hawks lose lose brian miracle miracle close occur pittsburgh elminated prior finals make hawks turn blackhawks congrats jeremy roenick hawks player post back back goal seasons scott 
hawks return finals nntp posting host organization washington university louis lines article cubrj brian johnson writes hawks division road easier playoffs toronto detroit beat hell chicago sweeps louis makes easier brian blues played hawks pretty season stadium blues give hawks hard time series round matchups hawks prevail games ashkar contact blues saint louis wustl blues 
summary parse results games played thur april organization university brunswick lines philadelphia buffalo period philadelphia recchi galley lindros period philadelphia hawgood dineen eklund philadelphia dineen mcgill buffalo barnaby hawerchuk smehlik buffalo wood lafontaine ledyard buffalo mogilny hawerchuk carney period philadelphia eklund dineen beranek buffalo mogilny errey lafontaine philadelphia dineen brind amour philadelphia dineen brind amour galley philadelphia acton dineen brind amour philadelphia power play special goals total scorer acton beranek brind amour dineen eklund galley hawgood lindros mcgill recchi buffalo power play scorer barnaby carney errey hawerchuk lafontaine ledyard mogilny smehlik wood minnesota detroit period minnesota mcphee ludwig period minnesota dahlen courtnall gagner detroit drake howe ogrodnick detroit ysebaert lidstrom howe period detroit ciccarelli coffey chiasson detroit kennedy burr probert detroit yzerman ciccarelli gallant minnesota dahlen courtnall gagner detroit power play scorer burr chiasson ciccarelli coffey drake gallant howe kennedy lidstrom ogrodnick probert ysebaert yzerman minnesota power play scorer courtnall dahlen gagner ludwig mcphee edmonton winnipeg period winnipeg shannon steen davydov period winnipeg selanne olausson winnipeg zhamnov selanne period scoring winnipeg power play scorer davydov olausson selanne shannon steen zhamnov edmonton power play scoring toronto chicago period toronto baumgartner unassisted period chicago roenick murphy chelios toronto andreychuk mironov lefebvre chicago murphy roenick chelios period chicago matteau unassisted error power play goal mismatch assuming calc error team toronto calc read chicago power play scorer chelios matteau murphy roenick toronto power play scorer andreychuk baumgartner lefebvre mironov period louis shanahan brown felsner louis miller bassen brown louis bassen zombo period louis bassen hedican miller louis miller zombo hedican tampa maltais hamrlik tampa bergland hervey gilhen louis shanahan emerson period tampa creighton bergland bergevin tampa chambers zamuner cole tampa cole beers bradley louis power play scorer bassen brown emerson felsner hedican miller shanahan zombo tampa power play scorer beers bergevin bergland bradley chambers cole creighton gilhen hamrlik hervey maltais zamuner jose calgary period scoring period jose garpenlov odgers gaudreau calgary nieuwendyk macinnis suter calgary ranheim otto suter calgary yawney nieuwendyk roberts calgary berube paslawski skrudland period jose wood odgers kisio calgary reichel unassisted calgary roberts musil paslawski jose kisio unassisted calgary paslawski ashton stern calgary power play scorer ashton berube macinnis musil nieuwendyk otto paslawski ranheim reichel roberts skrudland stern suter yawney jose power play scorer garpenlov gaudreau kisio odgers wood vancouver angeles period angeles robitaille gretzky sandstrom vancouver babych craven nedved angeles sandstrom gretzky robitaille period vancouver linden ronning courtnall vancouver ward hunter nedved angeles gretzky sandstrom robitaille angeles zhitnik kurri robitaille angeles millen hardy period vancouver ronning dirk vancouver ronning courtnall linden vancouver linden courtnall ronning angeles donnelly millen granato vancouver courtnall ronning ratushny vancouver ronning linden diduck vancouver power play special goals total scorer babych courtnall craven diduck dirk hunter linden nedved ratushny ronning ward angeles power play scorer donnelly granato gretzky hardy kurri millen robitaille sandstrom zhitnik 
goalie mask update organization georgia institute technology lines results days voting remember turn votes regular goalie retired include team time sending votes player team votes brian hayward jose andy moog boston curtis joseph louis belfour chicago gerry cheevers boston retired manon rheaume atlanta hextall quebec beaupre washington receiving vote artus irbe cheveldae clint malarchuck grant fuhr rick wamsley casey minn john vanbiesbrouck dryden essensa mike vernon glenn healy tommy soderstron leblanc skins question emotional music braves effect mike patton faith hornets capitals mike friedman hrivnak internet gatech 
calder playoff schedule results organization clarkson university lines nntp posting host logic clarkson newsreader version calder playoff schedule results home team caps necesary round springfield indians providence bruins springfield providence springfield providence providence springfield islanders adirondack wings night adirondack adirondack adirondack adirondack adirondack adirondack adirondack baltimore skipjacks binghamton rangers baltimore binghamton baltimore binghamton binghamton baltimore binghamton baltimore baltimore binghamton binghmaton baltimore baltimore binghamton utica devils rochester americans utica rochester utica rochester rochester utica rochester utica utica rochester rochester utica utica rochester moncton hawks john maple leafs john moncton moncton john halifax john moncton cape breton oilers fredericton canadiens fredericton cape breton cape breton fredericton newspaper didnt list complete playoff skeds series began paper listed final standings posting delayed early week hockey news farenell farenebt camp clarkson ecac contact sport hockey hockey adirondack wings calder champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champs glens falls high hockey division state champs fans join mailing list news request congrats boston bruins adams division champions phoenix suns pacific division champions 
bridgman organization department computer science university toronto lines slacelle stephane lacelle writes ottwawa senators fired bridgman today randy sexton replace trashy move trashy organization front office stated lose sens poor performance bridgeman hours teams final game screwed letting king grab loach sexton qualifications cheap played college hockey pals club president bruce firestone kind experience build expansion franchise hall fame year continues tradition front office gaffs paul anka arena deal denis potvin postion mike bossy scoring coach people ottawa feel club stephane lacelle brian bdown toronto 
goalies organization university michigan engineering arbor lines distribution world nntp posting host atchafalaya engin umich originator klaty engin umich heard score belfour shooting high potvin shooting high rebound plays deep truth brad wings predictions 
stop predicting organization bell northern research montreal canada lines cdkaupan ncsu carl david kaupang writes annoying predictions cares stop predictions caps david kaupang cdkaupan ncsu yeah deal devils number year caps good team thorn habs side past years past paul yatrou yatrou telecom uquebec running pool today luck 
hockey nntp posting host bcarh organization bell northern research ottawa ontario canada lines farewell minnesota fans stuffed dallas stars north stars fade black hope minneapolis paul long team hotbed amateur hockey team loss team fault fans start season made real north stars bought maple leaf gardens morning eliminated montreal spite montreal fans small town grew glorious season north stars dwarf jordan live dwarf internet life work speak jesus hell peter heath 
goalie mask update organization lines nntp posting host lictor acsu buffalo article gatech hrivnak writes results days voting remember turn votes regular goalie retired include team time sending votes glenn healy tommy soderstron leblanc soderstrom plays philly moulded mask helmet cage variety white wore thirteen hours valerie hammerl days remind hammerl buffalo mario lemieux herb brooks claude acscvjh buffalo lemieux scorer devils pwwpz buffalo taking dumb penalties 
season review stuff organization university brunswick lines article farenebt camp clarkson droopy writes senators sold senators negotiations charlottetown brunswick expected move announced senators move franchise charlottetown prince edward island brunswick charlie cook charlie 
cold streaks organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury lines list teams cold games accurate rough guess enter playoff pool playoffs mention pittsburgh hotter sunday yvon lavoie 
playoff results organization clarkson university lines nntp posting host craft clarkson newsreader version game adirondack adirondack leads series round springfield indians providence bruins springfield providence springfield providence providence springfield providence springfield springfield providence providence springfield springfield providence islanders adirondack wings adirondack adirondack adirondack adirondack adirondack adirondack adirondack baltimore skipjacks binghamton rangers baltimore binghamton baltimore binghamton binghamton baltimore binghamton baltimore baltimore binghamton binghmaton baltimore baltimore binghamton utica devils rochester americans utica rochester utica rochester rochester utica rochester utica utica rochester rochester utica utica rochester moncton hawks john maple leafs john moncton moncton john halifax john moncton john moncton moncton john halifax john moncton moncton john halifax cape breton oilers fredericton canadiens fredericton cape breton cape breton fredericton fredericton cape breton fredericton cape breton cape breton fredericton fredericton cape breton cape breton fredericton farenell farenebt camp clarkson ecac contact sport hockey hockey adirondack wings calder champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champs glens falls high hockey division state champs fans join mailing list news request congrats boston bruins adams division champions phoenix suns pacific division champions 
minus stat nntp posting host hudson uvic reply gballent uvic organization university victoria victoria canada lines article pitt jrmst joseph mcdonald writes jagr higher francis points informed observer ronnie francis season jaromir jagr jaro decent year live expectations bowman tended overplay francis times bowman style player plays hard times disregard defensive responsibilities good leader bowman rewarded increasing time jagr arrogant juvenile display attitude rubbed bowman wrong caused lose time year francis consistently recieved time jagr althouhg stats subject pretty jagr points minute played francis jagr rating evident jagr season francis gregmeister 
goalie masks nntp posting host stpl ists organization solar terresterial physics laboratory ists lines article kkeller upenn keith keller writes vote john vanbiesbrouck mask skyline york city sides bunch bees beezer sharp funny mention time hnic cherry pointed vanbiesbrouck mask hated effect great year dopey mask stop beachball cherry cracked heard belfour current mask moog give fuhr honourable mention closely looked good distance neat chevaldae detroit call chevy checkered flags painted auto race 
organization embry riddle aeronautical university daytona beach lines nntp posting host alpha erau layfield ucalgary colin layfield writes article wuziyun suned yale wanna writes give cents worth thing sick pittsburg fans favorite team talk bruins forget samuelsson forgotten adam graves obvious fact lemeuix career endangered graves slash neely bother injury important reason adam graves played clean hockey samulesson continues play dirty player injured dirty fans forget dirty play forget samulesson everynight watch hockey high lights reminded dirty hitting player injured dirty explain statement player injured player playing hurt player hurt bother playing belive player playing hurt spot fact calgary theoren fleury respect part game piss players part lacks size pisses adam graves samuesson debate plays hard hitting hockey wrong graves game intentionally hurt bites players piss insist hitting knees injure players kind garbage muni pasted worst offenders thought instituted kinds rules season stop crap officiating stink high heaven imho existing institute system trouble makers things stop game ruled finnesse players mario selanne bure messier colin layfield religion power plays manipulate people money university calgary selling skin selling computer science numbers credit cards layfield ucalgary queensryche drozinski embry riddle aero univ drozinst erau 
results games played organization keywords thursday night boxscores lines results games played standings patrick adams norris smythe xpit xbos xchi xvan ywas yque ydet ycal ymon ytor ynyi ybuf ystl ywin clinched division title clinched playoff berth minnesota north stars detroit wings period mcphee ludwig period dahlen courtnall gagner drake howe ogrodnick ysebaert lidstrom howe period ciccarelli coffey chiasson kennedy burr probert yzerman ciccarelli gallant dahlen courtnall gagner powerplay opportunities north stars wings shots goal north stars wings minnesota north stars casey shots saves detroit wings cheveldae shots saves philadelphia flyers buffalo sabres period recchi galley lindros period hawgood dineen eklund dineen mcgill barnaby hawerchuk smehlik wood lafontaine ledyard mogilny hawerchuk carney period eklund dineen beranek mogilny errey lafontaine dineen brind amour dineen brind amour galley acton dineen brind amour powerplay opportunities flyers sabres shots goal flyers sabres philadelphia flyers soderstrom shots saves buffalo sabres fuhr shots saves hasek shots saves edmonton oilers winnipeg jets period shannon steen davydov period selanne olausson zhamnov selanne period powerplay opportunities oilers jets shots goal oilers jets edmonton oilers ranford shots saves winnipeg jets essensa shots saves toronto maple leafs chicago blackhawks period baumgartner period roenick murphy chelios andreychuk mironov lefebvre murphy roenick chelios period matteau powerplay opportunities maple leafs blackhawks shots goal maple leafs blackhawks toronto maple leafs potvin shots saves chicago blackhawks belfour shots saves tampa lightning louis blues period shanahan brown felsner miller bassen brown bassen zombo period bassen hedican miller miller zombo hedican maltais hamrlik bergland harvey gilhen shanahan emerson period creighton bergland bergevin chambers zamuner cole cole beers bradley powerplay opportunities lightning blues shots goal lightning blues tampa lightning jablonski shots saves bergeron shots saves louis blues joseph shots saves hebert shots saves jose sharks calgary flames period period garpenlov odgers gaudreau nieuwendyk macinnis suter ranheim otto suter yawney nieuwendyk roberts berube paslawski skrudland period wood odgers kisio reichel roberts musil paslawski kisio paslawski ashton stern powerplay opportunities sharks flames shots goal sharks flames jose sharks irbe shots saves calgary flames vernon shots saves vancouver canucks angeles kings period robitaille gretzky sandstrom babych craven nedved sandstrom gretzky robitaille period linden ronning courtnall ward hunter nedved gretzky sandstrom robitaille zhitnik kurri robitaille millen hardy period ronning dirk ronning courtnall linden linden courtnall ronning donnelly millen granato courtnall ronning ratushny ronning linden diduck powerplay opportunities canucks kings shots goal canucks kings vanocuver canucks whitmore shots saves angeles kings stauber shots saves hrudey shots saves spike 
hockey organization dean office carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply joel alvstad writes fine year history close tonight minnesota north stars norm stars whichever prefer lost wings score stars goals scored mike mcphee dahlen netted including final franchise history minute play condolences minnesota fans losing team fear decade professional sports team left pittsburgh steelers enjoy things 
thumbs espn organization michigan state university lines reply twork michael twork nntp posting host frith istribution originator twork wings player boards injuring shoulder blotted injury report wings player yves racine returned period mike 
draft organization york university toronto canada lines article carr writes draft year coverage upcomming draft espn details paul kariya pick long exact coverage states canada covered espn grab coverage picks ottawa picks means alexander daigle stay traded montreal quebec kariya alot leadership ncaa world championships daigle show junior team jose kariya tampa russian kozlov defenseman niedemeyer spelt wrong expansion blue chip prospects chris gratton chris pridham swedish player remember draft order ottawa jose tampa south florida anahiem south florida anahiem hartford edmonton dallas rangers philadelphia picks wrong standings guessing mind notch prospects draft kariya leading shawn caps round picks years louis caron scott stevens 
list times metropolitan toronto golf courses monday organization georgia institute technology lines article steve writes woops sport hockey sport golf hope check newsgroup header time posting making joke long leafs playoffs courses season sheesh people quick complain skins question emotional music braves effect mike patton faith hornets capitals mike friedman hrivnak internet gatech 
nhlpa poll partial stats results organization georgia institute technology lines article caldwell writes people send polls closer deep team capable goalies excellent forwards defensemen shooter richer todd chef stasny master thousand dishes power play kevin todd oiler months closely follow devils jeez sigh written game nhlpa hockey precise date rosters people post jeez skins question emotional music braves effect mike patton faith hornets capitals mike friedman hrivnak internet gatech 
team captains nntp posting host umanitoba organization university manitoba winnipeg manitoba canada lines article leunggm control utoronto gary leung writes article scott marks scott marks writes mike ramsey time captain buffalo prior traded pittsburgh penguins captains real captain lemieux playing rotate season mario troy loney worn pens mike foligno captain sabres traded leafs rick vaive captain leafs traded chicago steve thomas olcyzk speaking leafs darryl sittler captain torn jersey claimed captaincy traded flyers yeah gretzky captain oilers traded dale hawerchuk troy murray captains jets traded murray year season hawerchuk years season daryl turner contact winnipeg jets internet umturne umanitoba fidonet route tkachuk zhamnov shoots scores jets jets essensa vezina housley norris calder 
bruins klingon connection organization clark university lines wondering star trek fans newsgroup knew relationship bruins players douris moog klingon names duras worf moog suppose coincidence curious bart 
thumbs espn keywords baseball goddamn baseball nntp posting host moet colorado organization university colorado colorado springs lines tuesday isles caps game overtime espn mees obligated bring baseball hate year coverage playoffs sports channel america colorado vastly superior espn giving year charlie shub cdash colorado leave university iowa cdash uiowa 
wings goespel lines organization university brunswick detroit beat toronto granted gilmour hart trophy lemieux gilmour toronto toronto mind gilmour andreychuk potvin mentio gilmour back detroit team stand players team play potential stop yzerman fedorov coffey lindstrom firepower pittsburgh skates detroit toronto patrick walker detroit chicago university bruns detroit vancouver canada detroit nords disco sucks 
panther president organization microsystems mountain view lines nntp posting host teal article golchowy chem utoronto gerald olchowy writes jose sharks ottawa senators wager sharks senators panthers fired coach george kingston triumvirate trio dean lombardi chuck grillo sharks office happen september coach oofgm single wager amended read sharks panther wait season guide record book lists history sharks depth year draft expansion draft rules reputation anaheim miami pretty good expansion teams jose ottawa instability position philly edmonton calgary cups pittsburgh needed quarter century mike eisler leafs team fans intelligent insightful pittsburgh players mighty bright wallet back brittenson leaf woofers sport hockey 
sharks review part left wings organization sharks giants lines nntp posting host apple stanford nelson writes larry depalma season acquired free agent minnesota grade netter watching sharks including depalma season sharks appeared rights wasn jose kansas city appeared waiver wire nelson forgot check stats kansas city find larry playing games played games period covered stats issue invisible kansas city walked suspended reinstated revealed injured promptly disappeared watching eyes shark bytes mailing list sharks officials faithful sharks miss chance talk times accurate injured back disk injury stupid thing hide sharks play knew bubble sharks point disclosed injury disclose sharks disagreed responsibility suspended reporting eventually worked sharks instated injured therapy able play shipped fully expects play sharks hiding injuries stupid nice hustled butt disappeared hurt expect surface team point expansion team bubble player rest career good work ethic good players motivated played sharks future judgement call john carter season acquired free agent boston grade back season gave work ethic club kisio hustle future sharks made clear night flames crease hold joel otto board literally otto neck wrapped otto stick otto casually turned puck front crease goal carter hustle cover size sharks told point blank good ditto hubie mcdonough favorites staff make room kids carter fact refused report suspended sharks defacto retirement heard official hope hockey gulls jean francois quintin season acquired minnesota dispersal draft grade understand sharks quintin play games played season games outmatched looked fairly lost shows potential ready make jump solid contender regular duty season agreed grades based performed performed judge talent radio television nelson trouble puck action views home views differ numerous ways mark beaufait season acquired round pick supplemental draft grade star season kansas city beaufait coffey coffee coffey wings dody wood season acquired round pick entry draft grade give grade accused knocking wood unimpressive tough games season point meaningless hate judge talent quickly butn dody case tempted make exception chuq imho rospach support training chuq member sfwa editor otherrealms genie bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors request apple jose giants francisco giants fans giants request apple stick jose sharks fans sharks request apple seat 
mouthed lines organization university brunswick ditto people continue shame people cheap shots drawing penalties fake part game bullsh yzerman deal probert retaliatory justify fools patrick walker university brunswick canada detroit extraordinaire 
expect toronto lines organization university brunswick detroit disciplined team europeans detroit make game fast toronto slow game means drawing penalties resort toronto good team good players toronto average team detroit ballard screwed toronto owner time toronto real force expect gilmour burnt year pull team forever patrick walker university brunswick 
espn sucks baseball guess nntp posting host umanitoba organization university manitoba winnipeg manitoba canada lines showing meaningless baseball game overtime game tied seconds left clock gimme break espn brilliant decisions daryl turner contact winnipeg jets internet umturne umanitoba fidonet route tkachuk zhamnov shoots scores jets jets essensa vezina housley norris calder 
espn network heart keywords organization purdue university engineering computer network lines dale hunter ties game scoring goal game seconds remaining regulation feel coming contractual agreements espn unable carry rest game live show worthless early season battle pennant contenders cleveland indians california angels winning goal scored grave injustice breaking baseball game reserved deaths presidents trading montana chiefs show goal instant replay aren lucky national coverage hockey heidi dammit kevin stamber purdue university penguins devils roll train roll 
thumbs espn keywords baseball goddamn baseball nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall lines cdash colorado charles shub writes tuesday isles caps game overtime espn mees obligated bring baseball stuck mike burger pointed baseball deal made advance contract wabc thing thankful devils wiped switch yankees baseball proof reasons left reader espn stuck local team coverage alternate games nesn coverage bruins sabres boston homers awful read derek sanderson colour analyst spent early years hockey intern pravda landing twisted good bruin involved bill wirtz shills chicago foley dale tallon fair feed empire sports network sabre homers horrible spacy highlights hear chris cuthbert voice coverage habs nords series espn respect sabres bruins mike emrick substituting devils scny team gary thorne mike original devils play play announcer souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
mouthed nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall lines patrick walker writes yzerman deal probert realize smiles crossing faces wrote souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
espn thumbs organization western kentucky university bowling green lines jesus christ score pens beating shit devils gave middle period espn smart announcer states folks game hand lets islander capitals game celebrate making progress homework bored scheduled game tear throw jersey hunter scores shit caps game able watch season espn back blowout chance hell winning period ends sportscaster capitols tied oops excuse penguin worship mode dont freak pens fans worthy glad wont play year period blowout waiting isles intermission good close game back wait whats shit showing blowout aauugg guess score penguins switch games holy shit changing games goddamned time lets stay proves point caps game overtime contractual obligations switch fucking baseball language pissed hell scheduled game overtime espn head 
scores standings april nntp posting host uipc ericsson organization ericsson telecom stockholm sweden lines world championships germany group standings munich group standings dortmund canada czech republic russia finland italy germany sweden austria france switzerland norway april italy russia norway germany sweden austria czech republic april canada switzerland russia austria finland france april sweden canada czech republic germany switzerland italy finland april germany france italy sweden czech republic norway april switzerland russia france austria canada norway finland april switzerland austria germany finland april russia sweden czech republic france canada italy norway april sweden switzerland finland czech republic russia canada germany april austria italy france norway playoffs april quarterfinals april quarterfinals april relegation april semifinals relegation bronze medal game final staffan axelsson etxonss ericsson contact swedish hockey 
real thing organization simon fraser university burnaby canada lines canada treated real telecast people rogers surrey treated channels stink commentator whitman play play godfather 
draft organization computer science department stanford university lines article yorku shawn luddington writes picks ottawa picks means alexander daigle stay traded montreal quebec kariya alot leadership ncaa world championships daigle show junior team jose kariya tampa russian kozlov defenseman niedemeyer spelt wrong niedermayer jersey scott guessed brothers niedermayer center defenseman sharks kariya apparently niedermayer victor kozlov kariya chris pronger mentioned guess niedermayer pronger defensive prospects calgary flames macinnis norris gary roberts hart smythe edmonton oilers playoffs year stay edmonton nelson claudius stanford sport hockey contact jose sharks 
canada sweden world champioships reply holger ohlwein mchp holger ohlwein organization siemens nixdorf informationssysteme lines nntp posting host article white hollandc baby writes today world championships munich canada scored impressive victory defending world champs sweden game yesterday olympiahalle munich canada sweden goal canada period beer game post imaginary results holger holger ohlwein otto hahn ring muenchen email holger ohlwein mchp till tomorrow avoid 
goodbye good riddance lost stars organization computer science dept univ western ontario london canada nntp posting host obelix gaul lines article gomer richard coyle writes article kirk andrew kirk writes accepted western business school dork person country million posts article embarrasing canada network expressing feel thoughts agree give call assholes north stars shit give people privilege calling folks assholes asshole offense grouped bunch losers heard western business school chickenshit place rick losers fucking moron heard western business school university western ontario matter pull head asshole smell shit back hockey north stars moved past years shit real team toronto moved andrew andrew kirk university western ontario london ontario leafs 
trivia habs organization university illinois urbana lines asked times wondered heard hell nickname habs montreal canadiens advance caine schneider 
regular season final attendance report reply willis dnet stan willis organization lines national hockey league season home attendance report represents home games home games neutral site games included number sell outs team totals average 
kings playoff notes stauber ratings reply willis dnet stan willis organization lines angeles kings notes playoffs stauber disturbed theme rick sadowski daily news barry melrose decision stick robb stauber stands crease bench stanley playoffs rookie goaltender part team crucial time year time year stauber emotion monday worked hard stauber accepts melrose choice kelly hrudey teams goalie playoff series calgary flames hrudey made saves sundays opening victory stauber upset sudden status rick knickle stauber record goals average stretch regular season wrestled hrudey knickle decisions bloated average yanked games stomach cramps played march series resumes wednesday knickle serve hrudey backup stauber satisfy playoff hunger munching olympic saddledome popcorn supposedly close starter starter dropped happened stauber wondered happy feel part team playoffs stauber eventually chance melrose apparently convinced year capable handling playoff pressure insisting kings goalie future melrose stauber flubbed games asked season melrose loss jose loss york rangers detroit loss vancouver thursday times season robb emerged elite goalie kelly hrudey melrose elite goaltender carry ball give mark great goalie satisfied backup blaming robb losses able walk talk able play line robb stauber great deal ability expect ouch remark stung stauber began season struggled team season slump play month knickle signed diego gulls roster expect including barry melrose stauber year star university minnesota left school development hampered string injuries years knee operations herniated disk back shoulder surgery expect disagree barry expectations perfectionist stauber acknowledged played poorly games melrose mentioned play knocked jump play good game jack nicklaus shoot explain barry wanted explain counted sport melrose goalie future statement stauber future game kings flames playoff series drew nielsen rating channel kings averaged nielsen rating regular season games aired channel jose fired coach george kingston lead team mark season kingston past years sharks islander executive bill torrey named president expansion florida panthers bobby clarke named clubs general manager nights games leads leads stan willis willis dnet contact kings talk kings mailing list kings stanford subscribe unsubscribe kings request stanford 
schedule reply willis dnet stan willis organization lines article kkeller upenn keith keller writes article swartzjh rose hulman writes king hockey games televised nationally tonight hell hell espn showing stupid baseball game baseball weeks season hockey playoffs wait answer espn houston astros chicago cubs game scheduled night west coast game rained showed toronto maple leafs detroit wings game stan willis contact kings 
organization university bergen lines article ching logistician writes players wearing borque bruins greatly appreciated paul coffey detroit redwings bjoernar steinbakken 
wings goespel nntp posting host organization washington university louis lines forget paul ysebaert devil good team player michael wustl jersey devils 
results april organization ericsson telecom stockholm sweden lines nntp posting host uipc ericsson world championships germany group results sweden canada geoff sanderson kevin dineen patrik juhlin larsson geoff sanderson mike gartner greg johnson adam graves brind amour shayne corson shots goal penalties attendance referee sweden hearn canada bill ranford stopped shots lead canada victory played game period started give canadian defenseman rundqvist ranford puck sliding ranford kevin dineen great opportunity soderstrom played stefan nilsson couple great dekes larsson ranford period ended scoreless edge sweden creating opportunities period action tommy soderstrom making great save mark recchi made backhanded cross pass lindros eric timed puck soderstrom make glove hand save minute mark canada started applying pressure swedes sanderson dineen brind amour worked hard puck swedes zone dineen gave puck sanderson skated screened swedish defenseman soderstrom made wrist shot soderstrom post canada swedes picked game peter forsberg shot ranford post inside parallel goal line gartner penalty swedes power play larsson shot slot ranford gave rebound larsson juhlin post passed puck ranford beat period started periods swedes pressure canadians dangerous close swede goal canada created great chances arto blomsten forced cover puck swede goal crease soderstrom lost sight resulted penalty shot defenseman cover puck goal crease geoff sanderson penalty shot explained soderstrom stick side close post excellent penalty shot give canada ahead goal canada increased lead suspect offside gartner volleyed bouncing puck past soderstrom make swedes produce good scoring chances periods goal left brind amour scoring rebound soderstrom swedish defense minds dressing room good game goalies playing great soderstrom player sweden ranford played soderstrom tells ranford goalie world comments game canada played disciplined defense ranford pointed easy play good defense lindros played played sanderson naturally game hero goals forsberg naslund bergqvist line sweden larsson juhlin nilsson swedish defense played peter popovic task neutralizing eric lindros managed ranger defenseman peter andersson finally landed germany hours game played swedish coach curt lundmark irritated game partly swedes inability score partly linesman mistake goal lines information italy switzerland orlando penalties referee anton danko slovakia attendance group results czech republic germany kamil kastak jiri dolezal petr hrbek radek toupal josef beranek penalties game penalty referee darren loraas canada attendance czechs germans german crowd showed discontent throwing stuff finland jarkko varvio olczyk penalties referee valeri bokarev russia attendance hope finns provide information game game finns lead jarkko varvio slap shot blue line soft goal unscreened mike richter play period finns control lead warranted sweden canada goaltender tommy soderstrom bill ranford defense kenneth kennholt norm maciver fredrik stillman dave manson peter popovic geoff smith peter andersson brian benning arto blomsten terry carkner roger akerstrom garry galley derek mayer forwards mikael renberg dave gagner thomas rundqvist adam graves mikael andersson mike gartner markus naslund paul kariya peter forsberg eric lindros jonas bergqvist mark recchi patrik juhlin brind amour larsson shayne corson stefan nilsson kevin dineen charles berglund geoff sanderson michael nylander greg johnson andersson bergqvist brian savage kelly buchberger staffan axelsson etxonss ericsson contact swedish hockey 
buffalo boston defense reply delarocq ncsu derrell emery larocque organization north carolina state university project lines originator delarocq ncsu tonight boston buffalo sabres blanked boston bruins tonight boston boston hang season buffalo home record awesome great buffalo fans revenge year delarocq ncsu east division champions conference champions squished fish monday night football november squished trash talking fish championship january buffalo bills email delarocq ncsu talk games insight packers interested news green 
canada organization ashley howland wood lines plarsen allen larsen writes article boora godfather writes coverage kings flames game supposed shown overriding coverage flipped commentators commercials question real coverage black coverage called simulcast canada canadian station american station showing thing sporting event cheers thursday night canadian signal broadcast american station superbowl commercials television dumb canadian commercials year edmonton case treated actual telecast kings flames game earlier witless whitman poor commentator hockey oilers playing augh turn sound listen radio broadcast decent play play announcing bart edmonton 
area media wings leafs coverage organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury lines dreier berkeley roland dreier writes francisco area media reporting tonight detroit wings beat toronto maple leafs part media conspiracy leafs game expecting leafs shutout potvin trick andreychuk goal assists gilmour leafs lost penalties whichever biased game call leafs wings california francisco area media report montana rumoured leading candidate replace fired jose sharks coach george kingston apparently montana coveted winning attitude playing coach expected quarterback powerplay good thing walls soft rollie cordially maynard laurentian morons time 
team captains reply njdevils cire trehguad organization iowa state university lines anna matyas wrote michael collingridge writes subject captain traded resigned striped title season team captain trivia appreciated francis captain whalers traded pittsburgh rick tochett captain flyers traded pens recently caleb forget jersey devils traded captain kirk muller stephen richer chorske hated trade 
wings game keywords detroit wings toronto maple leafs organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury lines vergolin david vergolini writes detroit wings doubter tonight washing toronto maple leafs toronto fans power mighty wing offense toronto defense match wing offense defense probert kennedey primeau move probert back defense parking front potvin night discipline probert leafs series fresh clark long probert shift straigten cordially maynard laurentian morons time 
results april organization ericsson telecom stockholm sweden lines nntp posting host uipc ericsson dstein math ucla david stein writes russians czechs unable beat easy opponents swedes beat austria opening game effect pros arrive late nervousness rookie players problems lines clicking make things hard worse nations guess team face opening game chances upset greater reasons worse teams tough beat presented hans virus lindberg coach switzerland worse teams referring france switzerland austria italy world class goalies defensive play disciplined unnecessary penalties lines makes harder make quality german rinks poor convincing winner germany wierd weird thing czechs played entertaining hockey kidding david alex czech roster including clubs players finnish german swiss alex forgot czech roster home yesterday teams players fill blanks players play finland czech republic goaltenders petr briza finland roman turek motor budejovice defense gudas milos holan vitkovice drahomir kadlec bedrich scerban brynas sweden antonin stavjana sweden miroslav horava modo sweden ales flasar vitkovice forwards petr rosol kamil kastak sweden richard zemlicka jiri kucera caloun litvinov petr hrbek tomas kapusta otakar janecky finland roman horak motor budejovice martin hostak modo sweden radek toupal jiri dolezal staffan staffan axelsson etxonss ericsson contact swedish hockey 
hockey hispanic community distribution organization computer science department boston university boston lines originator icop relying canadian tourists transplanted northeasterners support team miami crazy espaecially deserving cities team diego milwaukee panthers sell hispanics deep rumors tampa move milwaukee 
coverage distribution organization computer science department boston university boston lines originator icop loved coverage production excellent appearance excellent sleek modern time heard thorne clement thought great request leave micheals annoys hoping leads regular season contract guess roughly weekly game april playoffs envy canadians dish pick canadian things 
summary parse results games played april organization university brunswick lines jersey pittsburgh period pittsburgh tocchet stevens lemieux jersey barr guerin holik pittsburgh lemieux jagr ramsey period pittsburgh lemieux stevens murphy pittsburgh francis ramsey mullen pittsburgh tippett jagr mceachern period pittsburgh jagr samuelsson lemieux jersey stevens niedermayer driver jersey stevens semak niedermayer pittsburgh power play scorer francis jagr lemieux mceachern mullen murphy ramsey samuelsson stevens tippett tocchet jersey power play scorer barr driver guerin holik niedermayer semak stevens louis chicago period chicago noonan larmer brown period louis brown shanahan emerson chicago noonan roenick chelios chicago noonan matteau sutter louis felsner mcrae janney period louis shanahan brown hull louis hull emerson brown louis power play scorer brown emerson felsner hull janney mcrae shanahan chicago power play scorer brown chelios larmer matteau noonan roenick sutter angeles calgary period angeles sydor gretzky sandstrom period calgary suter fleury angeles carson shuchuk sydor angeles huddy taylor rychel angeles mcsorley unassisted period angeles millen granato donnelly calgary dahlquist otto calgary yawney macinnis reichel angeles carson sandstrom robitaille angeles power play scorer carson donnelly granato gretzky huddy mcsorley millen robitaille rychel sandstrom shuchuk sydor taylor calgary power play special goals total scorer dahlquist fleury macinnis otto reichel suter yawney period islanders ferraro flatley vaske period scoring period washington hunter elynuik krygier washington hunter khristich johansson washington khristich pivonka johansson washington power play scorer elynuik hunter johansson khristich krygier pivonka islanders power play scorer ferraro flatley vaske buffalo boston period buffalo hannan unassisted buffalo lafontaine mogilny period boston juneau neely oates boston neely oates juneau buffalo mogilny hawerchuk smehlik period buffalo mogilny unassisted boston neely juneau oates boston heinze juneau overtime buffalo sweeney khmylev smehlik buffalo power play scorer hannan hawerchuk khmylev lafontaine mogilny smehlik sweeney boston power play scorer heinze juneau neely oates montreal quebec period montreal dionne dipietro brunet period montreal bellows muller desjardins period quebec rucinsky lapointe sundin quebec sakic lapointe overtime quebec young ricci duchesne quebec power play scorer duchesne lapointe ricci rucinsky sakic sundin young montreal power play scorer bellows brunet desjardins dionne dipietro muller 
college hockey star roster bdhissong muohio organization miami university academic computer service lines post rosters college hockey star game east west rosters advance 
results april reply holger ohlwein mchp holger ohlwein organization siemens nixdorf informationssysteme lines nntp posting host article etxonss ericsson staffan axelsson writes forgot czech roster home yesterday teams players fill blanks players play finland czech republic goaltenders petr briza finland signed contract landshut germany season defense gudas hedos muenchen germany holger holger ohlwein otto hahn ring muenchen email holger ohlwein mchp till tomorrow avoid 
request list boston univ players distribution organization computer science department boston university boston lines originator icop proud alumnus list players progress terriers graduating year hope post send list note player graduated 
sharks kingston fired organization apple computer lines overheard jose coach george kingston officially terminated today good news kinda lack fire bill gibson gibson bill apple chief technical sponge applelink gibson bill apple computer sharks 
detroit toronto organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn deal roger keith keller rangers quakers kkeller upenn league champs vegetarian dish keith keller 
goalie mask poll organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn article gatech hrivnak writes current votes favorite goalie masks receiving mike vernon clint glenn healy espo gilles gratton tony esposito memory serves correctly chicago hope hear keith keller rangers quakers kkeller upenn league champs vegetarian dish keith keller 
final season stuff originator news uoknor distribution nntp posting host essex uoknor organization university oklahoma norman lines final stats season central hockey league memorial drive suite tulsa phone founder president miron commissioner monte miron marketing director goodman information director eric kolb team owned league local intrests controlling operations working agreements affiliations team team salary total players dress team limited visas meaning players americans ignore rule tulsa americans roster playoffs teams play wichita tulsa oklahoma city memphis fort worth dallas future expansion plans include houston antonio baton rouge rock paso albuquerque tuscon amarillo austin possibility dallas move houston antonio fall baton rouge rock teams fort worth fire wichita thunder arena tarrant conv kansas coliseum colors black blue silver black george branum bill shuck coach pete mahavolich doug sheddan phone fire season single radio announcers dallas freeze tulsa oilers arena fair park coliseum civic center colors teal black orange blue koch jeff lund coach flockhart gary unger personal guardians phone puck season monte single miron radio ksky ktrt announcers bruce levine jeff brucculeri mark stone jeff bowen memphis river kings oklahoma city blazers arena south coliseum myriad state fair arena colors gold black yellow black riggs brad lund coach steve carlson mike mcewen phone puck season single radio krec wwls announcers dave woloshin john brooks stocker brian barnhart regular season standings attdnce oklahoma city blazers tulsa oilers dallas freeze memphis riverkings fort worth fire wichita thunder playoffs tulsa defeated dallas games wllwwlw oklahoma city defeated memphis games wwllww levin trophy finals tulsa defeated oklahoma city games wwlww playoff tony fiore tulsa special votes monte miron team team dallas fort worth memphis oklahoma city tulsa wichita dallas fort worth memphis oklahoma city tulsa wichita power play statistics penalty killng statistics shga saves okla city okla city tulsa dallas dallas tulsa fort worth wichita wichita memphis memphis fort worth penalty record game gross oppn minor major bench misc misc misc match wichita fort worth memphis dallas okla city tulsa scoring period period period period overtime shootout totals dallas fort worth memphis okla city tulsa wichita star team position team team goaltender tony martino tulsa robert desjardins wichita alan perry oklahoma city defensemen dave doucette dallas mike berger dallas girouard oklahoma city karalis tulsa center carl boudreau oklahoma city burton oklahoma city left wing sylvain fleury oklahoma city doug lawrence tulsa wing daniel larin oklahoma city mutch memphis sylvain naud tulsa regular season sylvain fleury oklahoma city rookie year bobby desjardins wichita leading defenseman dave doucette dallas leading goaltender tony martino tulsa scoring leaders points team goals team fleury sylvain fleury sylvain lawrence doug larin daniel naud sylvain mutch mutch thibodeau hall taylor naud sylvain thibodeau taylor jason anchikoski wayne boudreau carl assists team larin daniel lawrence doug taylor jason fleury sylvain dent naud sylvain sanderson mike doucette dave gatti dave hall taylor nobili mario girouard keith amario peter penalty minutes team johnston scot aubrey burton karalis simoni steve johnson craig hornak ernest neish greg fiore tony batten john doucette dave taylor jason leading goaltenders games team saves save martino tony perry alan zanier mike mindjimba antoine smith greg desjardins bobby belley roch goalies team saves save flatt brian krake paul loewen jamie ocello matt ocello matt totals raymond eric hara michael vasko steve trentadue rocco trentadue rocco totals harvey alain gosselin yannick gosselin yannick totals caton murray mcdonnell sauer clark joel wachter steve marc foster contact 
info distribution nntp posting host lamar acns colostate organization colorado state university fort collins lines united states coverage sunday april pittsburgh eastern time zone gary thorne bill clement louis chicago central mountain zones mike emerick schoenfeld angeles calgary pacific alaskan zones michaels john davidson tuesday april pittsburgh nationwide espn gary thorne bill clement thursday april saturday april announced nationwide espn announced canadian coverage sunday april buffalo boston nationwide tuesday april pittsburgh nationwide wednesday april louis chicago nationwide 
octopus detroit lines watching detroit minnesota game night thought octopus ysebaert scored game custom throw octopuses detroit responsible dain bramaged harold zazula dlmqc cuny hzazula 
flyers year biggest worst opinion organization distribution keywords awards lines article seth peter clark writes words roussel shuts sharks soderstrom shuts penguins immaterial coaches decision played significant played irrelevent good teams teams context comparing goaltenders higher good teams higher teams context comparing goaltenders start arguing goaltender soderstrom roussel netminder difference half goal game night save percentages close records similar label roussel disappointing player flyers season soderstrom played competition knowing roussel performed games scoring teams pittsburgh defense keyed jose roussel ranger game real scoring chances made great play saved mistake player judging roussel game judging roussel game play past seasons philly hershey opinion takes thought mark laforest wendell young batting judging hershey talent hextall rangers game saved mistake offensive player position make save didn mattered rangers player puck goal breakaway goalie force shooter beat habs goalie stand head shutout goalie action roussel game remember roussel excellent pittsurgh opening night give flyers time defending champs soderstrom senational game agains habs montreal player open shoot point game flat missed mistakes offense defense part game shutouts happy flyers soderstrom roussel argue anymore current game winning streak expectations soaring year piss point sell tickets season dakes microelectronics union boulevard allentown flyers alux 
goalie masks nntp posting host mach organization school computer science carnegie mellon lines barrasso wore great mask time season unveiled game boston black city scenes golden triangle downtown area rivers meet graced steel mill side civic arena back helmet pens logo penguin blue scarf current time pens logo space current logo tommy designed mask mother artist painted wearing mask pens thumped bruins game tommy back paint great mask goalie superstition lori 
pens info needed organization computer science department stanford university lines article mikkot math mikko tarkiainen writes coaching news alpo suhonen jets jokerit verified boris majorov jokerit tappara vasili tichonov assat jose sharks assistant coach sakari pietila lulea silver team elite serien reason current assistant coach drew ramenda hinted back news mikko finnish netters comment tichonov calgary flames macinnis norris gary roberts hart smythe edmonton oilers playoffs year stay edmonton nelson claudius stanford sport hockey contact jose sharks 
octopus detroit organization plymouth state college plymouth lines article harold zazula writes watching detroit minnesota game night thought octopus ysebaert scored game squid tradition alive kinda fish games custom throw octopuses detroit responsible dain bramaged harold zazula dlmqc cuny hzazula 
schedule week distribution organization lines nntp posting host gauss harvard article colostate michael burger writes united states schedule april devils islanders pittsburgh eastern time zone april louis chicago cent time zones april angeles calgary pacific time zone april devils islanders pittsburgh espn april espn april espn supplement basic mike info sundday opener announcing crews devils isles pittsburgh gary thorne play play bill clement color morganti roaming halls dressing rooms telecast primarily east coast louis chicago mike emrick play play schoendfeld color mees roaming halls telecast primarily midwest parts south calgary mircales michaels play play john davidson color mark jones roaming reporter telecast western montreal naitive saunders hosting studio close personal mario saturday wide world sports sunday playoff regular network telecast years counting silly star games years sunday games mikes goal super super close player faces face offs espn able favorite level shot pittsburgh seats removed employ case blowout progress pittsburgh switch chicago game back pittsburgh game updates game closer expects huge ratings hockey standards markets involved metro area islanders devils chicago blackhawks kings stay tuned mike mark 
rumour keenan signs rangers nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall lines clarinet relayed scoop toronto star star iron mike keenan agreement york rangers season interestingly times sports editorial rangers riley cares season souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
minus stat organization dept astronomy univ british columbia lines nntp posting host nukta astro article gballent uvic writes article pitt jrmst joseph mcdonald writes jagr higher francis points informed observer ronnie francis season jaromir jagr jaro decent year live expectations bowman tended overplay francis times bowman style player plays hard times disregard defensive responsibilities good leader bowman rewarded increasing time jagr arrogant juvenile display attitude rubbed bowman wrong caused lose time year francis consistently recieved time jagr althouhg stats subject pretty jagr points minute played francis jagr rating evident jagr season francis evident determined flaunt ignorance cost jagr season francis suggest insult modicum hockey knowledge save maniacal devotion almighty minus misleading hockey stat publishes quantifiable statistic including time game measure quality player situations protecting lead late game matched team lines short handed disappear altogether dubious merits trumpeted understanding implications brad brad gibson internet gibson dept geophysics astronomy main mall phone university british columbia vancouver british columbia canada 
hockey hispanic community organization national semiconductor corporation lines article saross louisville stacey ross writes rickc corp richard casares writes hard time selling sport community play account availability financial reasons hockey pretty sport white white hockey season ticket owners lowest average income major north american sports basis claim stats playboy magazine june percentage football fans attended college percentage baseball fans attended college percentage basketball fans attended college percentage hockey fans attended college percentage football fans earn percentage baseball fans make percentage basketball fans make percentage hackey fans make majority hockey players farm boondock saskatchewan weedville alberta biggest advantage kids boondock weedville availability jose area population population served arenas contrast kamloops british columbia population rinks myriad ponds pools freeze winter hard find bicycle hard find pair skates california born raised trail british columbia town lots winter father radio play play local team trail smokeaters canadian team world championship back skates walk playing recreational hockey years time hockey league city insurance barrier city place poor biggest barrier hockey city play lack factor costs bigger factor kids play santa clara valley hockey association season ended cost membership hockey club dues hockey fees cover excess medical insurance club dues cover time officials trophies areas similar fees city government subsidises costs stockton arenas located called city areas eastridge vallco exceptions redwood city rink industrial area berkeley ashby martin luther king stockton park sacramento older section downtown forget street fresno edge town west santa rosa nice rink older section town dublin town rinks expensive huge electric bills insurance premiums time expect hour rinks give minute hour money give minute hour include resurfacing time alan hepburn national semiconductor santa clara alan thomas carlyle 
octopus detroit organization university texas austin austin tradition octopus started back tradition toss octopus play games needed wins stanely today people toss octupi anytime play offs lines nntp posting host sleepy utexas david 
rumour keenan signs rangers organization university toronto chemistry department lines article columbia gary dare writes clarinet relayed scoop toronto star star iron mike keenan agreement york rangers season interestingly times sports editorial rangers riley cares season rumour basically toronto based reports keenan told jose philadelphia longer interested pursuing negotiations team ranger announcement supposed happen tomorrow supposedly rangers veterans coach weight proven record messier respects gerald 
blackhawks organization muskingum college lines hawks jermey roenick scored goal hawks leafs place losers column leafs beat hawks match meaning hate wings laugh jerky hawks 
octopus detroit organization michigan state university lines nntp posting host gjhsun harold zazula writes watching detroit minnesota game night thought octopus ysebaert scored game custom throw octopuses detroit long standing good luck redwing tradition throw octopus stanley game dates back olympia wings team sweep games hardet throw louis seats olympia balcony funniest tiger fans threw field detroit toronto baseball game living california folks watching heard hockey incredulous recognized octopus camera closeup 
blackhawks organization nasa lewis research center lines distribution world nntp posting host venus lerc nasa news software vnews jbrown muskingum writes hawks jermey roenick scored goal hawks leafs place losers column leafs beat hawks match meaning hate wings laugh jerky refer maynard initials norris finals major goals leave president things worry bored reading problems paper decade decade people deal problems president bill clinton 
minus stat organization berkeley math department lines nntp posting host jaffna berkeley reply gibson geop message article gibson geop brad gibson writes article gballent uvic writes article pitt jrmst joseph mcdonald writes jagr higher francis points informed observer ronnie francis season jaromir jagr jaro decent year live expectations bowman tended overplay francis times bowman style player plays hard times disregard defensive responsibilities good leader bowman rewarded increasing time jagr arrogant juvenile display attitude rubbed bowman wrong caused lose time year francis consistently recieved time jagr althouhg stats subject pretty jagr points minute played francis jagr rating evident jagr season francis evident determined flaunt ignorance cost jagr season francis suggest insult modicum hockey knowledge save maniacal devotion almighty minus misleading hockey stat publishes quantifiable statistic including time game measure quality player situations protecting lead late game matched team lines short handed disappear altogether dubious merits trumpeted understanding implications posting person brought fact jagr higher francis assure brought absurdity comparisons team thought argue jagr higher reflected play opinion francis purely result asked play opponents scorers times fact chip points neutralizing team center testament valuable suffers hand jagr fast skilled points matter inflated wrong jagr lazy floater turns times overtime playoff games roland dreier dreier berkeley 
president trophy winner missing playoffs organization michigan state university lines nntp posting host gjhsun jstrangi seas upenn strangio writes article ccdb mcgill ccdb writes time president trophy winner fell place year long time montreal canadians finished president days missed playoffs recall playoff picture decided final rangers defeated redwings breaker number goals remember correctly rangers played empty entire game loyalists accused wings throwing game recall gordie delvecchio coach abel rangers swarmed redwings night 
octopus detroit reply organization wind river systems lines nntp posting host gakbox richard stueven erected multitude internet offices swarms attmail attmail gakhaus sharx officers harass people palace substance 
keenan signs rangers organization lehigh university lines heard news mike keenan blackhawks flyers general siberian prison signed coach rangers rangers president year slipped season destined finish lowly flyers flyers fans disappointed keenans decision interested caps connin 
final standings organization clarkson university lines nntp posting host logic clarkson newsreader version final american hockey league standings northern division providence bruins adirondack wings capital district isles springfield indians haven senators southern division binghamton rangers rochester americans utica devils baltimore skipjacks hershey bears hamilton canucks atlantic division john maple leafs fredericton canadiens cape breton oilers moncton hawks halifax citadels year point total league record total farenell farenebt camp clarkson ecac boston bruins contact sport hockey adirondack wings calder champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champs glens falls high hockey division state champs fans join mailing list news request 
devils islanders tiebreaker organization silicon graphics lines nntp posting host sharkbite islanders beat devils tonight finish identical records lucky team face penguins opening round list rules breaking ties 
team milwaukee lines nntp posting host radioman cray organization cray research reading reports moves milwaukee milwaukee team thought pass story heard recently hand true reason doubt bradley center milwaukee home milwaukee admirals minor leauge hockey team owner admirals remember owns shelled majority funds build bradley center supposedly approached expansion franchise turned thought franchise million high story true rumor true team milwaukee anytime admirals forced building club minor league club building milwaukee bucks play charlie betz cray research chippewa falls cbetz cray 
beat pittsburgh organization university pittsburgh lines article apanjabi georgetown writes beat pittsburgh kevin stevens fighting call probert call domi call grandmother kick yeah grand mother joseph stiehm 
rumour keenan signs rangers nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall lines golchowy chem utoronto gerald olchowy writes columbia gary dare writes ranger announcement supposed happen tomorrow supposedly press conference rangers veterans coach weight proven record messier respects interestingly keenan coach number team canada world championships roger neilsen interesting rangers call balance neilsen contract keenan assistant roger good mediocre players handled cinderella canucks years mistake playing rangers canucks souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
patrick playoffs organization freshman physics carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply brittenson writes year pens weak spot defense goaltending boston boston guns pens pens defense goaltending discipline boston boston pens bruins played number games number goals tied fourth defenses league chicago toronto pens weak spot defense comparison offense league detroit pens weaker defense goaltending bruins strong terry 
finland sweden teams helsinki stockholm expansion organization university oulu finland newsreader version lines finland jyrki lumme teppo numminen peter ahola defenders lumme numminen jari kurri christian ruuttu ruuttu worth teemu selanne compared kurri selanne points high lets make canada world championships largely efforts markus ketterer goalie players listed luck decent players finland superstars highest level valuable role players guess finnish canada team team players nieminen jutila riihijarvi varvio laukkanen makela keskinen aging ruotsalainen main difference finnish north american players players tend larger rink canadian defenders slower defenders europe success ketterer luck helped main reason team worked howl howl gargle howl gargle howl howl howl gargle howl gargle howl howl gargle gargle howl gargle gargle gargle howl slurrp uurgh prostetnic vogon jeltz marko poutiainen oulu 
devils islanders tiebreaker organization university virginia lines hockey gurus espn islanders tonite teams record devils playing penguins islanders season series devils rules deciding breaker include season series goals goals order correct wrong craig islanders 
octopus detroit organization university virginia lines jaracz plymouth writes article harold zazula writes watching detroit minnesota game night thought octopus ysebaert scored game squid tradition alive kinda fish games understand octapus apparently number years threw octapus announcer octapi occupy happened fans cheer pick dead octapus hands shovel matt 
devils islanders tiebreaker organization university buffalo lines news software vnews nntp posting host ubvmsd buffalo article enolan nolan writes islanders beat devils tonight finish identical records lucky team face penguins opening round list rules breaking ties breaker rules islanders islanders series advances asked interject opinions maters concern islanders jets jets 
minus stat nntp posting host hudson uvic reply gballent uvic organization university victoria victoria canada lines article qmtd innr gibson geop brad gibson writes jagr point minute time stats exist properly analyze substancially evident determined flaunt ignorance cost jagr season francis suggest insult modicum hockey knowledge save maniacal devotion almighty minus misleading hockey stat publishes quantifiable statistic including time game measure quality player situations protecting lead late game matched team lines short handed disappear altogether dubious merits trumpeted understanding implications statistic player team scores goals goals compare teammates play team roughly similar ratings equally good players adjusted varying degrees success compare players teams agree nice statistics suggest total time missing stat jagr francis arguments measuring quality time suggest useless stat evaluating coaching players quality time talented good player amounts quality time team depth stupid coach recognize talent player lots quality time lack team depth stupid coach thinks effective player stat flawed conclusions drawn player talent stat evaluating player talent displaying ignorance unwillingness goals scored allowed positive thing evaluated gregmeister 
results april organization university california diego lines nntp posting host sdcc ucsd article etxonss ericsson staffan axelsson writes world championships germany games shown 
coverage organization dean office carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines distribution nntp posting host andrew reply gerald olchowy writes clement pleasant personality aggravatingly pleasant opinion terrible analyst alway wrong prototypical jersey goal sunday grew dick irvin color danny gallivan knew irvin dick irvin friend mine bill clement dick irvin long teams involved include national team york rangers john davidson bill clement personality means clement emrick hand pompous bull headed arrogant real turn complaint clement talks wanted listen mcgarver baseball game 
buffalo organization administrative computing info services carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew appreciated 
wirtz weenie organization university libraries library carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply dean news penguins announced yesterday fewer broadcast games games sort subscription view system yuck incorrect year pens games free games year games free subscription basis free game year radio games home reading paper full details making post based wduq news sports related item wrong ralph 
cherry organization administrative computing info services carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew person rarely cherry area pittsburgh deprived broadcasts canadian thing altogether coach time volume posts surely steady diet question deal comments read flame bait people gotta sounds missing 
ncaa teams lines great hear umass bringing back hockey reminded couple years talk bimidgi mankato state upgrade programs status remember trouble ncaa rule allowed compete level resolved wondering college hockey east colorado alaska excepted popularity hockey west coast expect interest building collegiate levels heard james mail jold 
hockey reply anna matyas message organization columbia university lines writes fear decade professional sports team left pittsburgh steelers perish thought major league professional sports teams money games previous time able move back home years team sigh interesting thing expanding time dramatically increasing amount money needed operate team shake occur years player salaries brought control frankly current drive expansion supportable current operating conditions revenue sharing salary steve 
stats hockey pool distribution world emma rick reply rick tfbbs wimsey newsreader lines keeper stats family hockey pool daily weekly email servers playoff stats connected servers militzok wilson sorting email site group rick rick panam wimsey rick tfbbs wimsey 
team captains reply steven kipling ersys edmonton steven kipling distribution world organization freddy place edmonton lines quoting cire trehguad michael collingridge writes subject captain traded resigned striped title season team captain trivia appreciated francis captain whalers traded pittsburgh rick tochett captain flyers traded pens recently caleb forget jersey devils traded captain kirk muller stephen richer chorske hated trade team captains traded year edmonton oilers traded captain chiperfield quebec nordique trading deadline goaltender lowe year existence edmonton oilers trade deadline traded captain time mcdonald vancouver canucks rights winger berry garry lariviere rights lars gunner petterson captain trivia edmonton captain fogilin traded buffalo sabres wayne gretzky traded kevin year traded rangers captain edmonton oilers traded present captain craig mctavish wait talk steve answers short correct dumb free blue wave 
goodbye good riddance lost stars organization georgia institute technology lines article lawren business stephen lawrence writes goodbye minnesota earned franchise place whatta weird town whatta skins question emotional music braves effect mike patton faith hornets capitals mike friedman hrivnak internet gatech 
nhlpa poll partial stats results organization freshman general carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply people send polls closer deep team capable goalies excellent forwards defensemen shooter richer todd chef stasny master thousand dishes power play captain stevens numbers play 
detroit playoff tradition organization triumf university meson facility lines distribution world nntp posting host triumf keywords octopi news software vnews back early years wins garner stanley soo couple local fish mongers local louis arena started tradition throwing octopi victory severed octopus found dead brilliant marketing strategy shore demand popular products hope helps lange 
roger maynard nntp posting host hudson uvic reply gballent uvic organization university victoria victoria canada lines recieve annoying email roger maynard post article telling leave alon stop posting group emails filled insults usual roger posts hockey info recieved days wondering special roger trys bully disagrees gregmeister obligatory hockey comment highly maple leafs division 
devils islanders tiebreaker organization university toronto chemistry department lines article virginia craig allen lorie writes hockey gurus espn islanders tonite teams record devils playing penguins islanders season series devils rules deciding breaker include season series goals goals order correct wrong thought wins goals gerald 
finland sweden teams helsinki stockholm expansion nntp posting host vipunen organization helsinki university technology finland lines oulu marko poutiainen writes finland jyrki lumme teppo numminen peter ahola defenders lumme numminen correct numminen lumme teemu selanne compared kurri selanne points high lets make kurri points kurri canada world championships largely efforts markus ketterer goalie players listed luck decent players finland superstars highest level valuable role players guess finnish canada team team players nieminen jutila riihijarvi varvio laukkanen makela keskinen aging ruotsalainen main difference finnish north american players players tend larger rink canadian defenders slower defenders europe success ketterer luck helped main reason team worked true game europe compared north ricans small rinks europeans large rinks average european player sweden finland russian tsech slovakia skater puckhandler colleague defenders slow clumsy finnish league game based skill finland breakaways defenders average skaters alpo suhonen speed accentuates clumsy defensemen admit players canada regulars skilful regulars european leagues europeans level north americans lemieux class tommi 
rumour keenan signs rangers organization university toronto chemistry department lines article columbia gary dare writes interestingly keenan coach number team canada world championships roger neilsen ultimately hockey philosophies night keenan believes pressuring opposition taking initiative limits system roger reactive hockey philosophy messier able played keenan thought roger loser interesting rangers call balance neilsen contract keenan assistant roger good mediocre players handled cinderella canucks years mistake playing rangers canucks roger great assistant coach blood nielson messier mistake bring back role gerald 
minus stat organization university toronto chemistry department lines meaningless compare player minus statistic players context role playing time players involved compare jagr francis minus ridiculous absurd gerald 
detroit playoff tradition keywords octopi organization spss lines article lange triumf threading canadian tapestry writes back early years wins garner stanley soo couple local fish mongers local louis arena started tradition throwing octopi victory severed octopus found dead brilliant marketing strategy shore demand popular products hope helps lange local louis arena local olympia stadium wings games played fairly recently early mind rest post basically correct meant local simply detroit incredibly picky david nichols senior statistical support specialist spss phone internet nichols correlation views spss strictly chance 
goalie mask update organization allegheny college article hammerl buffalo valerie hammerl writes article gatech hrivnak writes results days voting remember turn votes regular goalie retired include team time sending votes glenn healy tommy soderstron leblanc soderstrom plays philly moulded mask helmet cage variety white wore thirteen hours yeah soderstrom mask appeared bigger average helmet cage variety appeal josh valerie hammerl days remind hammerl buffalo mario lemieux herb brooks claude acscvjh buffalo lemieux scorer devils pwwpz buffalo taking dumb penalties 
stop maynard bashing roger maynard organization computer science dept univ western ontario london canada distribution world summary stop nonsense keywords fair inconsiderate post nntp posting host asterix gaul lines article gballent uvic writes recieve annoying email roger maynard post article telling leave alon stop posting group emails filled insults usual roger posts hockey info recieved days wondering special roger trys bully disagrees gregmeister colleagues received mails roger fact roger answered hockey questions curiosities start flaming roger nasty attitude roger steve university western ontario london canada gaul 
flames question keywords roberts flames organization university waterloo lines article clhawth umanitoba timothy chesley writes heard back gary roberts returning play calgary regular season game confirm flames playoffs change playoff pool strategy roberts played night game sharks goal assist bolsters calgary chances playoffs rahim hirji rahim hirji life actuarial science making plans rhirji uwaterloo university waterloo 
schedule week nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall distribution lines philips john curcio writes colostate michael burger writes united states schedule april devils islanders pittsburgh april louis chicago april angeles calgary side espn deal additional coverage split contract leftovers canucks jets caps wings leafs playing april devils islanders pittsburgh espn april espn april espn alternate games cities local broadcast rights protected area islanders devils bruins adams series montreal quebec prefer impression deal overrides local deals louis chicago pops souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
bruins pens neeley fight lines nntp posting host pittpa cray organization cray research newsreader version excuse wasting bandwidth referring original incident recent skirmish occurred past month huot huot 
vukota pilon news software vnews organization nasa goddard space flight center lines isles caps tilts crap centre year isles wins justification vukota pilon play isles vukota absolutely worst puck handler world bull banjo remember years back mick scored goals period caps isles astonished rest crowd wake years worse cheap shot artist ends stupid senseless penalties make good police officier pilon carry puck center makes pass resulting turnover attempts bring puck neutral zone skates opposing skater stay skates forwards centers falls committs penalty call capital district playoffs isles difficult figure caps good teams talent inconsistent meet round isles play level competition play jersey tonite tight goal game games isles lead continue pour settling back defensive shell letting opposition back game understand team isles bobby nystrom clark gilles john tonelli kind young minds behing bench fire john scialdone scialdone gsfc nasa ship takes sail 
goalie mask poll reply rbeskost east organization microsystems lines nntp posting host adam east article gatech gatech hrivnak writes update goalie mask poll people gave decided give favorite mailed response gave feel free send favorites votes mask received votes players mention team play date results vote andy moog belfour vanbiesbrouck bruin time rich beskosty rbeskost 
organization applied microsystems redmond lines ashamed call samuelson plays belong cheap shot artists history game talanted players bobby clarke kenny linsemen mckenzie chris chelios dirty cheapshot coward violence hockey curbed players women samuelson belong players main purpose injure players league allowed continue league stop players christian aluminum stick directed ugly head trick nicely bruins chance meet pittsburgh future neely sight watching turtle coward worth stanely wimp player ruined career wingers game remove samuelson lineup penguins notice eyesore game hockey rich 
stop maynard bashing roger maynard keywords fair inconsiderate post organization government ontario distribution world lines steve writes article gballent uvic writes recieve annoying email roger maynard post article telling leave alon stop posting group emails filled insults usual roger posts hockey info recieved days wondering special roger trys bully disagrees gregmeister colleagues received mails roger fact roger answered hockey questions curiosities start flaming roger nasty attitude roger steve university western ontario london canada gaul speaking roger comments nights game admit make game sound game stanley finals roger pushes leafs bothers long time supporter good idea game gave compliment guess stop water give 
bruins canadiens nntp posting host cory berkeley organization university california berkeley lines article jack petrilli jack petrilli writes parity boston good organization montreal canadiens debatable valid test final standings divisional playoff winner propose worthless vote college football joke boston fans make laugh crazy based recent boston domination montreal playoffs cups boston compared montreal teams montreal boston sinden find screwing good boston team fire suter trade vital star admittedly trades good long luck runs starts making esposito ratelle type trades remember brad park involved trade hockey player sinden trades years rick middleton rangers sinden gave middle call barry pederson neely canucks questions greg hawgood vladimir ruzicka oilers didja rosie roofed year playoffs courtnall ranford andy moog oilers wash moog good goaltender ranford burned boston finals year courtnall points vancouver care comment courtnall defensive liability linseman dave poulin flyers questions janney quintal adam oates blues janney enormous talent personable bruins play adam division count esposito vadnais ratelle park remember zanussi trade double minus harry horse trader submit bruins good harry spite habs bounce back season finish fourth conference pittsburgh quebec boston washington islanders correct teams montreal conference summary things bleak habs future suspect team belle province team lindros play admit suffering boston montreal swans playoffs type years knowledge montreal braintrust plugging formula boston kind despair long harry sinden running show bruins good good jack lyddy daniell berkeley university california berkeley favorite hockey teams boston bruins playing pittsburgh 
minus stat lines nntp posting host pittpa cray organization cray research newsreader version brad gibson gibson geop wrote text deleted minus misleading hockey stat necessarily misleading proper perspective shining penguins individual find minuses makes common sense lose games publishes quantifiable statistic including time game measure quality player situations protecting lead late game matched team lines short handed disappear altogether dubious merits trumpeted understanding implications ridiculous number stats statistic shows player enjoy game overanalyze excuse huot huot 
minus stat lines nntp posting host pittpa cray organization cray research newsreader version gerald olchowy golchowy chem utoronto wrote meaningless compare player minus statistic players context role playing time players involved compare jagr francis minus ridiculous absurd gerald putting perspective huot huot 
rangers embarrassment organization simon fraser university burnaby canada lines rangers force players binghamtom play playoffs letting represent countries world championships anderrson zubov waiting make decision kovalev minors rangers disgrace reported neil smith hiring mike keenan long smith godfather 
flyers notes organization keywords flyers sabres summary misc stuff lines flyers blew lead buffalo sabres period kevin dineen career trick powered consecutive sabres lost alexander mogilny comeback scoring goals season tied game period tommy soderstrom stopped shots goal improve record tested mogilny lafontaine night roster move andre faust recalled hershey shawn cronin healthy scratch lines eklund lindros recchi beranek brind amour dineen lomakin butsayev conroy faust acton brown galley bowen yushkevich hawgood carkner mcgill tommy soderstrom game summary buffalo reading people woman sang anthems turn volume flyers defense started game showing flyers shutting teams holding sabres shots period showed playing golf sunday gave shots periods tommy told bored back mark recchi opened scoring fast blinked missed buffalo faceoff dumped tommy wrapped puck boards eric left eric dropped galley ahead recchi steaming zone mark skated center circle passed puck legs richard smehlik skated fuhr smehlik pulling zone stick recchi drifted drifted back left slid puck back past fuhr flyers lead beautiful eric garry turn assists flyers pressure fuhr strong flyers damage game defensive struggle sabres chance power play terry carkner boarding minor crunching dale hawerchuk boards flyers zone lafontaine scoring chance terribly good flyers smothered sabres power play mogilny post consecutive penalty kill flyers keith carney holding penalty taking mark recchi give flyers power play penalty killing team league flyers shot goal flyers create good scoring chance lindros partially fanned shot period play started missing greg hawgood interference penalty give sabres power play fans expressed displeasure iced puck shots buffalo flyers point mike emrick interviewed flyers president snider periods disappointed make playoffs discouraged considered rebuilding year trade happy season asked agonized trade russ farwell trade issue snider money agonizing asked coaching situation handled year russ call russ evaluate things season feels years shot expects playoffs year shot division title year shot finals year based current level play anticipated improvements summer happy alignment called outstanding happy current expansion feels talent pool unflux europeans feels make existing franchises stable idea playing olympics boo definite split owners happen years consensus sabres gave flyers power play game brad tripping penalty flyers trouble started eventually hawgood pass moving throug neutral zone handed puck eklund sabres blue line boards eklund carried zone passed dineen timer blue line left circle half fanned puck trickling slot fuhr hawgood race flipped essentially open mogilny breakaway slipped flyers blue line soderstrom backhander soderstrom flyers discipline type penalties hurt viacheslav butsayev double minor roughing high sticking barnaby skin drew minor gary dornhoefer dive video sabres coudln started ryan mcgill poked puck sabre carried flyers zone bunch people poked dineen emerged headed started brind amour hustled ahead make back defenseman dineen circle make flyers fuhr john muckler dominik hasek sabres lots power play time time flyers zone finally flyers boos began ring building finally soderstrom ugly goal smehlik shot zone missed kicked hawerchuk slot hawerchuk backhander skated goal line galley dove block mistake soderstrom handle backhander worried rebound barnaby camped goal line rebound dropped soderstrom mistake galley laid watched barnaby hacks puck finally pushed goalie swing stick knock puck goal streaks flyers shutout hockey straight penalty kills lindros back power play high sticking minor barnaby time sabres able quickly quality goal sabres continued puck flyers power play ended things evetually settled penalty mcgill allowed barnaby skin slashed stick faceoff gloves dropped mcgill started pounding crap fight gave barnaby head butt helmet meant match penalty slashing fighting major minutes power play time sabres barnaby flyers keeping long couple good sabre chances audette handed ledyard point ledyard drive knocked soderstrom lafontaine whacked bouncing puck left side knocked randy wood soderstrom moved play lafontaine yushkevich carkner waving puck picking wood slid empty close flyers lead lafontaine half fanned break flyers shorthanded pressure sabres zone hasek strong finally keith carney passing ahead hawerchuk neutral zone hawerchuk good backhand pass mogilny flyers blue line mini breakaway mogilny elected shoot left circle threaded needle inside post season ironically youth hockey period tommy soderstrom talking cutting angles shots sabres period pelle eklund blew golden opportunity flyers lead back acton puck dropped eklund slot eklund held puck slid left circle angle shoot finally shoot post carryover power play time incredible goal randy wood skated recchi hawgood untouched soderstrom soderstrom wood pokes puck soderstrom black object hits back light horn sounds crowd cheers video replay booth strange reason meantime emrick dornhoefer figure reviewing turns taped stick blade puck emrick mentions criteria scoring goal puck dave hannan recchi holding minor flyers finally perimeter time beranek stripped puck sabre offensive zone boards passed eklund left circle eklund dineen heading inside circle passed dineen fumbled pass directed hasek eklund swooped chipped bouncing puck goalie flyers sabres back lafontaine picked puck offensive left corner slid erry flyers erry started skate dropped puck back mogilny flew skated stuffed soderstrom hole game hawerchuk retaliatory roughing penalty flyers sabres zone stayed faceoff high sabres zone middle brind amour wrestled puck dineen snuck line wristed perfect shot hasek glove side play started back hawgood roughing penalty flyers dumped puck sabres zone brind amour ledyard puck backed boards skated faceoff passed legs dineen crashing slot dineen waited patiently lifted blocker hasek flyers lead trick season dineen career shorthanded goal game season carney tripping penalty kill rest sabres power play action sabres chances flyers resulting power play play goalies make saves sabres able pull hasek time running flyers consistant possession sabres finally time running sutton misplayed puck left corner brind amour stripped pulled found dineen side left circle dineen found acton hasek slid puck sabres defenders acton chipped back side hasek season birthday scoring shots buffalo showered plastic drinking mugs handed game strong game tommy soderstrom tested couple starts kevin dineen career high point night night earlier season flyers longest winning streak years goals shutouts eric lindros league strength goals missing games injury points clinched place rangers lose breaker couple misc notes forget mike keenan rumors press conference tommorrow announce head coach york rangers year notes mentioned garry galley barry ashbee award failed mention award defenseman times trenton reported preeminent specialist oklahoma looked tommy soderstrom medical record determined tests future paper blurb bill dineen asked expected back year response back feels good year cheerfully accept role scouting farwell back flyers team record watch eric lindros goals assists points rookie records club record goals club record points eric lindros dave poulin brian propp brian propp flockhart eric lindros dave poulin flockhart bill barber pelle eklund mark recchi goals assists points club record goals club record points reggie leach mark recchi kerr bobby clarke kerr bobby clarke mark recchi bill barber rick macliesh bobby clarke bill barber rick macliesh reggie leach games flyers career years player points prior season mark recchi penguins brind amour flyers garry galley kings brent fedyk wings pete clark flyers contact mailing list owner 
lines nntp posting host pittpa cray organization cray research newsreader version richard wernick richard wrote ashamed call samuelson plays belong cheap shot artists history game talanted players bobby clarke kenny linsemen mckenzie chris chelios dirty cheapshot coward violence hockey curbed players women samuelson belong players main purpose injure players league allowed continue league stop players christian aluminum stick directed ugly head trick nicely bruins chance meet pittsburgh future neely sight watching turtle coward worth stanely wimp player ruined career wingers game remove samuelson lineup penguins notice eyesore game hockey rich extremely lucid thought observation back medication feeling huot huot 
goodbye good riddance lost stars lines nntp posting host pittpa cray organization cray research newsreader version stephen lawrence lawren business wrote goodbye minnesota earned franchise place hope enjoy twin city wide mania high school hockey team reunion regina care film event golden gophers whatta weird town lawren business stephen lawrence western business school london ontario posting kind idiot business school canada problem teach business school canada huot huot 
goalie mask update lines nntp posting host acad drake organization drake university moines iowa article gatech hrivnak writes results days voting remember turn votes regular goalie retired include team time sending votes player team votes brian hayward jose andy moog boston curtis joseph louis belfour chicago gerry cheevers boston retired manon rheaume atlanta hextall quebec beaupre washington receiving vote artus irbe cheveldae clint malarchuck grant fuhr rick wamsley casey minn john vanbiesbrouck dryden essensa mike vernon glenn healy tommy soderstron leblanc tommy soderstrom fine rookie rookie season flyers knew case john drake longtime realistic ranger admit rangers sucked time year deserve luxury nice golf warm breeze talk underachievers mike keenan waiting skins question emotional music braves effect mike patton faith hornets capitals mike friedman hrivnak internet gatech 
sharks review part defensemen organization computer science department stanford university lines peter ahola season acquired trade pittsburgh future considerations grade early ahola acquired penguins figured lose expansion draft ahola played games season jose mercury news sharks games played appeared solid defensively spectacular offense write home points trade future considerations turn peter ahola doug wilson season acquired trade chicago kerry toporowski round pick entry draft grade accused overly wilson high expectations legs knees giving playing exhibited strong shooting playmaking abilities lost step defense demonstrated year times slow catch opponent forwards offensive output good place team points games year wilson stay healthy contributor dean kolstad season acquired minnesota dispersal draft grade unfair judge kolstad handful games forgetting exact number quickly running time make games impress generating shots period game played scored points tenure sharks impressive defensively appeared awkward movement prone giveaways make leap level performance chance making team macleod season acquired minnesota dispersal draft grade macleod roster longer kolstad appears memory played kolstad sharks reluctant reluctant send minors figuring clear waivers fact played past weeks kansas city technically rehabilitation assignment rehab assignment include playing turner playoffs played give tentative grade demonstrated year excellent offensive skills terrible defensive skills pederson season acquired minnesota dispersal draft grade called middle season defensive corps decimated injuries pederson impressed sharks including demonstrated good offensive skills scoring points games size concern began shine offensive teams begin push physically sides appeared fearless approach successful bulk fighting chance surviving bigger players league claudio scremin season acquired minnesota dispersal draft grade played games league year umimpressive season small sample case kolstad scremin quickly running time contributor offense defense games played sharks notable thing scremin entry league stats fact traded capitals goaltender beaupre calgary flames macinnis norris gary roberts hart smythe edmonton oilers playoffs year stay edmonton nelson claudius stanford sport hockey contact jose sharks 
dear montana hockey pool distribution sport hockey organization university brunswick lines mail entire adress dotted decimal address rocket maurice richard 
stan fischler keenan stuff summary prior devils islanders pregame nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall lines keenan hiring precipitated loss anticipated playoff revenue fears losing season ticket holders paramount chief stan jaffe chip flyers affaire lindros autumn neilsen return assistant coach gerald earlier today roger conferred jaffe hiring hiring jaffe head subsidiary head gutkowski head protests pres neil smith making announcement saturday back islanders making playoffs steal press flyers owner snyder livid keenan make gary bettman appointed independent consul stein admission hall fame crease colours blue oilers charge press room year souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
playoff pool rule revision organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn change scoring playoff pool time post scoring rules tomorrow matter enter good keith keller rangers quakers kkeller upenn league champs opinion give 
keenan signs rangers organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn article lehigh connin patrick colgain writes heard news mike keenan blackhawks flyers general siberian prison signed coach rangers rangers president year slipped season destined finish lowly flyers flyers fans disappointed keenans decision interested flyers wanted true keeping news deal neil smith keith keller rangers quakers kkeller upenn league champs opinion give 
devils islanders tiebreaker organization university pennsylvania school arts sciences lines nntp posting host mail upenn article virginia craig allen lorie writes hockey gurus espn islanders tonite teams record devils playing penguins islanders season series devils rules deciding breaker include season series goals goals order correct wrong divisional records goals wrong keith keller rangers quakers kkeller upenn league champs opinion give 
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pens info needed nntp posting host romulus math organization university jyvaskyla finland lines article stanford nelson writes article mikkot math mikko tarkiainen writes coaching news vasili tichonov assat jose sharks reason current assistant coach drew ramenda hinted back news mikko finnish netters comment tichonov time heard piece news post game radio interview jyvaskyla bronze medal game liiga tichonov team porin assat aces town pori lost vasili victor tichonov famous soviet coach long time sharks persuading assistant coach post head coach coaching assat anymore seasons vasili good coach assat good team produced players national team assat skilled team imho fighting spirit butchered jokerit playoffs gave hard time champs assat consistent mood beat team liiga deal sharks head coach sharks negotiate decide doubt head coach compromise post information vasili coaching soviet league teams results character coach 
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ripem frequently asked questions content type text usenet version title ripem originator mvanheyn indiana supersedes nntp posting host silver indiana organization computer science indiana university expires lines archive ripem update posting rough listing questions information ripem program public mail encryption ripem written maintained marc vanheyningen posted variety newsgroups monthly basis follow discussion specific ripem redirected group security ripem month reformatted posting attempt comply standards hypertext formatting easy manipulation document world wide disclaimer considered legal advice person opinion real legal advice talk real lawyer questions answers ripem ripem program performs privacy enhanced mail cryptographic techniques electronic mail properties authentication confirmed privacy read intended recipient ripem written primarily mark riordan code public domain routines library called rsaref licensed data security ripem ripem library cryptographic routines rsaref considered munitions export restricted distribution people citizens permanent residents canada request quoted readme file export cryptographic code distribution canada personal request author ripem condition ripem note rsaref public domain license included distribution read ripem friend copy reduce load sites carry mention humans naturally requires trust friend ripem anonymous citizens permanent residents rsaref read readme file info looked site source tree compiled binaries nice version ripem crypt stuff home site rpub open anonymous users canada citizens permanent residents find obtain access crypt read file access convenience binaries architectures addition full source tree ripem machine ported flavors unix sunos linux ultrix solaris ports macintosh include standard unix style port nice port written raymond author stuffit ports expected users invited ripem work mailer easy clean effective interface depend sophistication modularity mailer users guide included distribution discusses ways ripem popular mailers including berkeley mush code included elisp easy ripem inside emacs make interface ripem create improvement distribution convenient secure feel free post security ripem crypto system asymmetric public means related keys encrypt decrypt derived publish encryption public widely decryption private public encrypt message hold private needed decrypt note message real message note privacy authentication fingerprint message fingerprint encrypted sender private recipient sender public decrypt confirm message sender named rivest shamir adleman invented find crypt data encryption standard widely symmetric secret crypto system unlike encrypt decrypt messages faster ripem generates random encrypts mail encrypts recipient public includes result letter allowing recipient recover considered weak length considered short modern standards safe opponent smaller large corporation government agency future ripems strengthen symmetric cipher possibly multiple encryption ripem relate privacy enhanced mail system allowing easy transfer encrypted electronic mail rfcs documents approved obsolete rfcs ripem complete implementation specifies certificates authenticating keys ripem handle time addition planned distributing authenticating keys remote user able send secure mail public able confirm message received public important information accurate convinces fact send messages read ripem methods management central server distributed finger servers flat file ripem users guide part distribution provide perfect security ripem public keys similar ripem public keys begin pkcs identifier describing characteristics bunch characters lots people keys keys similar class generated program length fingerprint message digest algorithm produced data security fingerprint cryptographically secure hash plaintext cryptographically secure reasonable amount computation produce plaintext produces fingerprint signing entire message sender private message signed authentication purposes input arbitrary length bits data passphrase interpreter cookie generator entirety including implementation cryptographic mail program called pretty good privacy longer ripem works differently compatible ripem major differences ripem management features users direct network connection ripem conforms rfcs greater probability working software makes attempt compatible fact compatible ripem rsaref library routines data security rsaref license noncommercial implementation licensed firm holding patents algorithm claims infringement patent make sell canada acknowledgement original author phil zimmermann documentation fact live federal agency computer public partners forbid running software contraband ripem export restricted canada exists sites europe places ripem documentation recommended reading interested issues note facts patent export restrictions controversial people people interpret documents differently discussions inevitably produce heat light belong misc legal computing disclaimer rpem rpem stands rabin privacy enhanced mail similar ripem public cipher invented rabin attempt avoid patent written mark riordan author ripem distribution halted contrary beliefs including rabin public partners claimed patent broad cover public cipher strength rested difficulty factoring products large primes claim universally accepted means challenged pragmatic reasons rpem anymore compatible ripem mime mime stands multipurpose internet mail extensions find newsgroup comp mail mime interact mime clear people stopgap solution mime type application ripem order send ripem messages mime hope standards emerge draft internet documents exist matter simple defeat security ripem check companion post ripem attacks discusses obvious attacks ripem security procedures minimize risk ripem main weak area distribution 
ripem frequently asked questions article usenet expires organization computer science indiana university lines content type text usenet version title ripem originator mvanheyn indiana nntp posting host silver indiana mime version archive ripem update posting listing questions information ripem program public mail encryption ripem written maintained marc vanheyningen posted variety newsgroups monthly basis follow discussion specific ripem redirected group security ripem running world wide archive ripem information convenient pointers current version stuff 
ripem frequently noted vulnerabilities article usenet expires organization computer science indiana university lines content type text usenet version title ripem attacks originator mvanheyn indiana supersedes nntp posting host silver indiana mime version archive ripem attacks update attacks ripem living list potential weaknesses eyes open ripem secure electronic mail great detail exhaustive weaknesses weaknesses cryptographically secured mail general pertain secure mail programs ripem maintained marc vanheyningen posted monthly variety news groups followups pertaining specifically ripem security ripem cryptanalysis attacks breaking attacker find private case read mail encrypted sign messages private generally believed resistant standard cryptanalytic techniques standard bits ripem long render impractical barring huge investment hardware breakthrough factoring breaking attacker read message message encrypted attacker claim bits conceivably compromised brute force sufficient hardware agencies money devote simply read message message work message remain high management attacks stealing private benefits breaking safeguard encrypted derived passphrase type attacker copy private keyfile passphrase snooping network packets tapping lines break scheme main risk transferring passphrase private file untrusted link ripem trusted machine preferably sitting front ideally machine home office physical access fooling accepting bogus public opponent deceive sending secret messages real recipient enemy fool intended recipient encrypt messages bogus public pass important proper public keys people common mechanism finger assuming opponent compromised routers daemons finger fair amount trust strongest method authentication exchange keys person practical people vouch signing statement ripem features automatically ripem generate check fingerprints public keys files exchanged separate channel authentication playback attacks opponent break cryptography opponent difficulties suppose send message mode provide disclosure protection alice opponent intercepts resends message authenticated telling interpret context opponent transmit message recipient figuring differently time opponent change originator register public send message hoping recipient send return mail indicating quoting unknown message defeat playback attacks plaintext message include indication sender recipient unique identifier typically date good front script ripem automatically imho recipient originator header sender plaintext recipient message automated author made modest attempt automating process generating checking encapsulated headers programs included standard distribution utils directory local attacks security ripem greater security machine encryption performed unix super user manage encrypted mail planning effort replace ripem executable trojan horse copy plaintext depending stored addition link machine running ripem extension decrypt ripem remote machine connected network worse modem eavesdropper plaintext passphrase ripem executed systems trust extreme case ripem machine total control access carefully examined software free viruses real trade convenience security moderately cautious user ripem unix workstation people access root access increase security keeping private keys statically linked executable floppy disk people ripem multi user system dialing insecure line download message system perform ripem decryption security provided mechanism illusory type cleartext password store attacker install traps account steal private time insecure line remain situation long systems quaint mechanism cleartext password authentication find nice statement carefully manage security arrangement plan public potential correspondents aware level precautions place people keys short carefully managed ordinary longer treated greater care critical correspondence untrusted partner attacks ripem encryption ensure person private public encrypt data read traffic message make kind transformations wishes exist cryptographic barriers recipient taking encrypted message converting message signed readable ripem provide functionality latest draft specifically states transformations forwarding functions work including recipients plaintext mentioned make recipients redistributed message aware original nature naturally security cryptography greater security people 
certifying authority question answered organization suite software lines reply miller nntp posting host nimrod suite access ftping login anonymous documents including frequently asked questions today cryptography document document explains idea certifying authorities good luck john kelsey missouri file miller 
rubber hose cryptanalysis nntp posting host mizzou missouri organization university missouri lines sick part phrase threat long prison sentence beating people give punctuated trip county jail locked drunk stoned crazy folks violent left cells people 
declassifying media organization capriccioso newsreader version lines urban legends crypt sufficient clear declassify magnetic media classified data information horse mouth sufficient overwriting media clearing meant retained controlled environment declassifying material reused controlled environment national telecommunications information systems security ntiss advisory memorandum office automation security guidelines ntissam compusec clearing magnetic media types removable media magnetic tape floppy disk cassettes magnetic cards cleared overwriting entire media time character floppy disks cleared applying vendor formatting program overwrites location character fixed media winchester disks cleared overwriting time character applying vendor supplied formatting program overwrites location disk character shown program works advertised user beware programs purport overwrite locations cleared media resides controlled facility released destruction marked controlled level restrictive sensitivity information recorded declassification magnetic media types removable media declassified degaussing device approved declassifying media type list approved devices maintained fixed medium hard winchester disk operative approved method declassifying disk pack employ overwrite procedure overwrite addressable locations times writing character complement binary binary zeros alternatively fixed media inoperative impossible declassify media overwrite method case alternate procedures disassemble disk pack degauss platter approved degaussing equipment courier inoperative media vendor facility magnetic media disk platter removed sight courier returned courier destruction secure site vendor install platters repair problems disk unit destruction magnetic media computer security center department defense magnetic remanence security guideline official interesting documents informative intended computer security procedures obtained free executive secretary national telecommunications informations systems security committee national security agency fort george meade write mailing list grady 
hard drive security targets lines cmhnet stampfli separate locations gain credibility seized compelled decrypt simply explain amateur cryptologist playing time pads file files pops copy peace judging recent history point drop original charges preemptively find guilty copyright violations seize computer home financial reserves federal forfeiture laws turn court file exored document famous document judges fall 
disk safety measure organization massachusetts institute technology lines nntp posting host steve dallas reply loki ucsd message begin signed message article loki ucsd lance cottrell writes able produce signature attatch message procedure clearsig clearsig signing enjoy derek request server public keys begin signature version iqbuagubk dnazh zbsgrxaqfozqlec xkxmodhcpf aoqslfz prxnpueuszqeiiusmcvcrcgnwbavrxfja yubh czcg wljolxlxjn isjh etzxmjnnynjxlgs signature derek atkins electrical engineering computer science secretary student information processing board sipb media laboratory speech research group warlord asel 
general comments nntp posting host bloch informatik organization university kaiserslautern germany lines neuhaus informatik stephan neuhaus hiwi mattern writes lots stuff hate follow posting clarify things flamed talking factoring modulus breakthrough factoring breakthrough cryptanalysis factoring breaking proven equivalent damn convenient repeat time admit group property cipher essential chaining thought find cryptanalyst exploit group structure means wrote note long harder factor modulus generate increase computer speed lengths modulus factoring lock step people simply start longer moduli safe meant long advantage cryptanalyst faster computer long time moduli broken fast computers algorithm people simply longer moduli users cryptanalysts benefit technology hope flames stephan closed inventory leave pickaxe public request note expiration date 
licensing organization yale mail news gateway lines thread brings general question crypto implementation highly publicly scrutinized source code trusted invented advertised proposals decided respond argued strenuously proprietary biggest proponent proposing lewis branscomb branscomb chief scientist fortunately branscomb understood answer question realized difficult gain acceptance cryptographic mechanism complexity publicity sufficient authority fact years independence solicited invented proposed vetted examined vetted experts shamir subject influence people posting list trust spite time analysis public scrutiny point nist misses attempts gain acceptance mechanism developed secret basis authority long thread break silly question cost time break important question cost time fundamental strength important strength long understand cost duration attacker safe point replace inability successor overcome knowledge significant inventions century important inventions history cryptography damned lucky william hugh murray executive consultant information system security locust avenue suite canaan connecticut wmurray whmurray dockmaster ncsc 
licensing public implementations organization arizona dept tucson lines regard speculations involvement creation find fails test occam butcher knife attribute conspiracy explained forthright greed hilarie orman 
identifying securing files organization private computer totowa lines article long trust user stay application program long runs system user stop finding load module code program simply bypassing check valid module devious user modify object code running program program debugger change instructions memory foil debuggers clearing single step interrupt debugger depends instructions sensitive areas code assumes person hardware debug instruction type processor negated clear debug instruction running code machine simulator wrote senior project college bypass trace practically write software kind star trek holideck kenneth reply njit elaborate simulation running device sitting table picard 
ncrypt source organization massachusetts institute technology lines nntp posting host number requests code written borland tasm tasm tlink code ncryption nick nassuphis code segment assume code code start begin particle assigment particle moving east particle moving west particle moving north particle moving south particle moving east particle moving west particle moving north particle moving south collisiong rules rules nibbles bytes reflection rules swap bits directions table implements particle collisions lattice hpprule rule implements velocity reversal needed evolution reverse called wallrule particles wall head wallrule maxbyte lineno srcptr offset buffer desptr offset buffer savebuff maxbyte lineno buffer maxbyte lineno buffer maxbyte lineno data test lattice based encryption algorithm data encoded particles digital time evolution simulated cellular automaton type algorithm decryption achieved running simulation reverse thermodynamic argument ensures single flipped decryption data evolve timesteps reverse evolution pressing space flip pressing cryptographic application consist number time steps time location specific inversions fill piece code initgas srcptr offset data lineno push push maxbyte loop maxbyte loop srcptr offset initgas maxbyte byte loop display molecules bouncing showgas push push push push push srcptr lineno maxbyte push push maxbyte byte loop sourse data destination data scanonemiddleline byte special case warparound assembled byte maxbyte north line lower bits assembled byte maxbyte south line higher bits place stuff maxbyte west byte left lower bits east byte higher bits byte offset hpprule middle bytes handled loop maxbyte assembled byte maxbyte north line lower bits assembled byte maxbyte south line higher bits place stuff west byte left lower bits east byte higher bits byte offset hpprule loop byte special assembled byte maxbyte north line lower bits assembled byte maxbyte south line higher bits place stuff west byte left lower bits maxbyte east byte higher bits byte offset hpprule sourse data destination data scanfirstline byte special case warparound maxbyte lineno bits assembled byte maxbyte bits place stuff maxbyte west byte left lower bits east byte higher bits byte offset hpprule middle bytes handled loop maxbyte assembled byte maxbyte lineno bits assembled byte maxbyte bits place stuff west byte left lower bits east byte higher bits byte offset hpprule loop byte special assembled byte maxbyte lineno bits assembled byte maxbyte bits place stuff west byte left lower bits maxbyte east byte higher bits byte offset hpprule sourse data destination data scanlastline byte special case warparound assembled byte maxbyte bits assembled byte maxbyte lineno bits place stuff maxbyte west byte left lower bits east byte higher bits byte offset hpprule middle bytes handled loop maxbyte assembled byte maxbyte bits assembled byte maxbyte lineno bits place stuff west byte left lower bits east byte higher bits byte offset hpprule loop byte special assembled byte maxbyte bits assembled byte maxbyte lineno bits place stuff west byte left lower bits maxbyte east byte higher bits byte offset hpprule invert velocities invertall push push push srcptr lineno push maxbyte byte offset wallrule loop loop iterateonce srcptr desptr srcptr desptr push push call scanfirstline maxbyte maxbyte lineno dont scan push push push call scanonemiddleline maxbyte maxbyte loop push push call scanlastline iterate rule times iterate push call iterateonce call showgas loop iterate iterate rule times iterateuntil offset offset byte offset byte offset loop call iterateonce call showgas srcptr maxbyte byte byte wallrule loop offset offset byte offset byte offset loop offset push push push push push push msgptr msgptr offset message printed code decrypted data lattice applied decoding routine time step decoding function left code unchanged evolution completelly reversed thermalization times repetitions equilibrate begin call initgas call showgas push times call iterate call invertall call showgas begin srcptr byte begin times call iterateuntil call invertall call showgas code ends start 
illegal wiretaps denning trust kubo harvard kubo distribution inet organization dept math harvard univ nntp posting host zariski harvard lines article neat writes apparently easy hold person calling records phone company police lawyers able acquire information warrant judicial supervision target suspected specific crimes pardon illegal impression warrent needed information phone company order protect people privacy legal phone records obtained order establish probable result words fishing expedition local worcester police officer spoke couple nights told subpeona phone companies records extreme conditions hassle phone company require written subpoena able evidence probable order process request suggest officer disinterested pursuing case prove offender called time chances winning harassment suit strength evidence contact people dealt cases extreme phone harassment thousand calls case teaches police area lethargic pursuing matters 
licensing public implementations reply bontchev informatik hamburg organization virus test center university hamburg lines strnlght david sternlight writes provide hint reported expressed puzzlement conference asked permission ripem write compatible program supports bill speculation backdoor rsaref supported secretly natural public implementation rsaref strongly oppose implementation doesn personally backdoor long precision modular arithmetic library source fact means vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center university hamburg fachbereich informatik vogt koelln strasse mail bontchev informatik hamburg hamburg germany 
opinions reply bontchev informatik hamburg organization virus test center university hamburg lines markowitz ncsc writes interesting note regard permission export pkzip encryption scheme denied draw conclusions afraid information slightly date pkware obtained license export program world limited list countries draw conclusions strength algorithm vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center university hamburg fachbereich informatik vogt koelln strasse mail bontchev informatik hamburg hamburg germany 
disk safety measure reply bontchev informatik hamburg organization virus test center university hamburg lines cuffell colorado cuffel writes guarantee deleted space overwritten optimization guarantee quicker secure method batch file overwrote free space fill echo fill head include easier faster secure norton utilties talking wipeinfo clean free disk space clean slack space files government standard option careful overwriting vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center university hamburg fachbereich informatik vogt koelln strasse mail bontchev informatik hamburg hamburg germany 
licensing organization yale mail news gateway lines supports bill speculation backdoor rsaref supported secretly natural public implementation rsaref strongly oppose implementation doesn speculation include depend trapdoor rsaref consent limitation concept rsaref interest interest limited number implementations targets interest fixed maximum modulus size legitimate literally pursue interests bounds pursue interests covert means rest disclose motives intentions institutions aware intentions meaningful sense william hugh murray executive consultant information system security locust avenue suite canaan connecticut wmurray whmurray dockmaster ncsc 
trap door password encryption algorithms organization distribution lines michael levin wrote references algorithms password encryption clear text word runs algorithm sequence symbols algorithm property impossible reverse long words works high speed computer send references ideas mlevin harvard original encryption multics suggested weizenbaum invertible force tiger team demonstrated asked expert requested anonymity expert suggestion treat byte password data lucifer encryption algorithm similar identical method stronger care issue discussed comp security misc longer passwords quality control users choose passwords common tactics vanvleck 
hard drive security targets organization turing police lines stratus carl ellison writes program disk created totally random files encrypted messages demonstrate file question created program claim fact created program stand true innocent prove wrong hmm brings neat idea soo neat patent bill copyright william yerazunis crah merciless rights reserved responsibility love smell flash powder morning smells theatre 
hard drive security targets summary encrypted data random keywords entropy reply keane organization versant object technology lines weather cloudy high moon phase waxing gibbous full article cuffell colorado cuffel writes create bunch sets random data encrypt sets random data show encypt random data kicks rest delete keys friends establishes reasonable doubt contents encrypted files ability keys forces user provide keys demand worthless worse worthless police power innocent people jail police find understand police return mind difference core file classified military secrets plenty scenarios user idea uninitialized junk burden proof user show normal upstanding citizen situation america disgusting easily people provide bargaining chip hypothetical alleged child molester drug dealer thing style time basically people clear distinction criminals suspects analogy find loose screw house insist building bomb machine prove claim explain simple terms people start idea matter fact random files disk reason special purpose hardware takes long time generate good random bits programs crank couple bits minute pretty conservative time point encrypting random data random data data encrypted file header people jail arrested police keys random junk sitting jail consolation fact government burn years find keane amateur cryptologist uunet amdcad 
hard drive security targets originator gtoal demon keywords entropy nntp posting host pizzabox demon reply graham toal organization cuddlehogs anonymous lines article keane writes matter fact random files disk reason special purpose hardware takes long time generate good random bits programs crank couple bits minute pretty conservative time sounds program interested posting sources 
hard drive security organization stratus computer software engineering lines nntp posting host ellisun stratus keywords cooperation article antonh writes send info encrpyt hard disk consequences types actions chose future country european countries people encrypting notes notebooks hundreds years thousand long tradition dating back alchemists happening assume happen long history establishing encryption property individuals carl ellison stratus stratus computer fairbanks boulevard marlborough 
licensing public implementations organization stratus computer software engineering lines nntp posting host ellisun stratus article jebright ohio state james ebright writes guess wait time future good crypto agency disbanded files opened approprate historical delay overlooked fundamental truth headcount budget government agency monotonic increasing functions truth agency occupy people spend money crypto unbreakable talk world telephone companies making equipment break convince people distributed computing good idea internal state process access wiretapping carl ellison stratus stratus computer fairbanks boulevard marlborough 
hard drive security targets organization cascade design automation lines ross anderson writes article cuffell colorado cuffel writes suggests security product design approach fill hard drive random files files encrypted number keys secret file created delete random file replace real encrypted data secret files encrypted thrashing file system step write minimal file system program create delete files decrypt ramdisk list directory util password protected floppy catch storage space util part file system defrag disk packing allocated clusters clusters back partition hold stealth file system leave small partition disk assigned approach directory invariant files system files instance allocating minimum storage unit cluster unused physical space disk tail file cluster dead spaces concatenated hold stealth file system situation encrypted data appears disk berry cdac rjberry 
source random bits unix workstation nntp posting host eiffel organization penn state computer science lines article bennett todd salomon brothers writes decided configure magic cookie security work stick bits intruder guess file readable client applications read pass bits back server establish connection settled grabbing bunch traffic network basically etherfind greater compress skipped output grabbed bits bits expected uniformly distributed unguessable intruder application encrypt real time clock secret 
source random bits unix workstation article organization columbia university department computer science lines article nicol writes article bennett todd salomon brothers writes decided configure magic cookie security work stick bits intruder guess file readable client applications read pass bits back server establish connection settled grabbing bunch traffic network basically etherfind greater compress skipped output grabbed bits bits expected uniformly distributed unguessable intruder application encrypt real time clock secret good discussion cryptographically good random number generators check draft ietf security randomness internet draft local friendly internet drafts repository source randomness output cryptographic hash function large amount random data running slow random source random bits bound bits entropy tens hundreds megabytes data modern workstation memory fair amount system timers buffers 
amendment passwords organization forecast systems labs noaa boulder lines article ashall ohio state andrew hall writes postive correct wrong cover forced actions incriminating police demand silently body buried money hidden make piss possibly provide semen hair samples undergo tests gunpowder residues hand chemical engineer arrested explosion thrust hands toilet filled urine cops breaking door nitrogen urine mask residue explosives found interesting news reported acts reasons privacy group discussed legal ramifications password shot jimmy hoffa body storage locker camden back impression real judges dismiss arguments password incrimination year school sophistry fact statement password bearing veracity phrase asked incrimidate bury body asked provide information execute legal search warrant refusing provide password akin refusing provide storage locker force locker understand find point things overlooked search bear giles bear noaa 
lines organization curtin university technology distribution inet article stratus carl ellison writes article rwebb russell webb writes call paranoid kind scare story dorothy denning citing calling limitation cryptography doubt suspect agencies easily mounting nationwide campaign dollars build public outcry digital communication unbreakable encrypted communication read noam chomsky works widely information control people unthinkable hundreds billions dollars spent wipe regulate order major media poitical powers wake efect bothered reading video manufacturing consent paul 
hard drive security targets reply marc isis distribution world organization thibault friends lines straight encryption keyrings results misleading names noticed windows directory half files straight encryption file decrypt keyrings ramdisk pgppath point file decrypt execute disk target file argument link file existent batch file referred rest system comment test script fooling pgppath directory leave original keyrings directory good indication playing made keys simple passphrase widely published security mail needed file make intermediate plainfiles generated ramdisk hear concussion grenade power switch cheers marc marc thibault marc isis freenet fire begin public block version mqbnaiqxytkaaecalfehyp scfvjspj escao hihtnefrrn vuecsavh aauwpiugyv lftpnnlc pjupykvi abrg hcmmgvghpymf bhqg hcmnadgfuzgeuaxnpcy vcmc hlnv public block 
source mactinosh organization capriccioso newsreader version lines source code macintosh anonymous netcom grady mget macpgp mget macpgp srcsignature convert compact extracting archive binhex check digital signature file copy macintosh users wishing check digital signature note denotes line macintosh crlf purposes itar unclassified technical documentation released public domain representation made copyright commercial rights exist package full source code symantec projects full user documentation included versions pretty good privacy strong public encryption digital signature application algorithm patented united states idea cipher patented switzerland executables included executables anonymous leif thep sweden night japan wimsey canada soda berkeley berkeley united kingdom ghost unimi italy plaza aarnet australia funet finland public keys anonymous server sites send message subject information internet sites public keys iastate michael graff explorer tbird iastate explorer public keys public keys derek atkins warlord toxicwaste keys public keys public keys utmb john perry perry utmb phil utmb public keys public keys mark turner mark demon pubring uucp site public keys john perry perry executable application built sources licensed data security public algorithm idea block cipher algorithm approved national security agency unclassified technical documentation made educational possession distribution executable binary built source civil criminal offense suggested improvements bugs comments directly posted security principal developers listed source documents general questions comments public cryptography idea cipher posted security crypt usenet groups grady 
amendment passwords organization university illinois dept comp urbana lines ashall ohio state andrew hall writes postive correct wrong cover forced actions incriminating mike godwin posted permission carl sadly suspects compelled give handwriting voice exemplars blood tests police demand silently body buried money hidden compell produce safe evidence convict stored crypto disclosure issue current suggests loser defendant compelled turn test compelled incrimination material disclosed inculpate discloser gave safe testimonial ergo disclosed compulsion subpoena duces tecum government immunize disclosure crypto compelling disclose price fact disclosure evidence case discover result disclosure mike carl kadie represent organization kadie uiuc 
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privacy anonymity internet supersedes organization enterprises lines expires reply lance colostate nntp posting host thai aktis summary email account privacy anonymous mailing posting encryption privacy rights issues internet global networks general updated archive privacy part modified version identity privacy anonymity internet detweiler commercial permission author freely copied altered credit quoted summary information email account privacy anonymous mailing posting encryption privacy rights issues internet global networks general search exact section search underline section part file identity identity internet identity important internet email address identify background find email address identification stable internet future identification internet privacy privacy internet privacy important internet secure internet networks secure account secure files directories secure windows secure email liable email postings provide information identity sysadmin privacy stable internet future privacy internet anonymity anonymity internet anonymity important internet anonymity protected internet anonymous mail anonymous posting anonymity stable internet future anonymity internet part file resources unix programs related privacy learn cryptography cypherpunks mailing list privacy related newsgroups faqs internet privacy enhanced mail request comments rfcs related privacy anonymous remailer references privacy email email usenet internet policies crosslink anonymous message program miscellaneous digital cash hacker cracker cypherpunk steganography anonymous pools security obscurity identity daemons standards needed guard electronic privacy issues electronic frontier foundation computer professionals social responsibility cpsr operation devil steve jackson game case integrated services digital network isdn national research education network nren proposed digital telephony legislation related privacy networks references rights cyberspace computers academic freedom archive footnotes background internet internet anarchy english language wanted list change history part file anonymizing anonymous remailing posting sites responsibilities anonymity kill anonymous postings history anonymous posting servers anonymity anonymous posting groups allowed system operators anonymous postings anon penet maintained helsingius identity identity internet generally today people identity internet primarily determined email address sense unchanging face electronic realm login qualified complete address domain information lance colostate people address receiving mail reading usenet posts situations programs record usage obsolete forms addresses bitnet persist email messages additional information path message takes prepended message received recipient information identifies chain hosts involved transmission accurate trace origination type identify forward protocol usenet protocol lesser extent forging fields requires corrupted mailing software sites involved forwarding uncommon uncommon forging chain origination point initial sites list faked time message created tracing messages difficult impossible initial faked fields names real machines represent real transfer routes identity important internet concept identity closely intertwined communication privacy security turn critical aspects computer networks convenience communication afforded email impossible conventions identification potential abuses identity severe consequences massive computer networks forefront issue potentially exacerbate solve problems verifying identity correct called authentication classic problems worlds radio broadcast fooled segments population thinking alien invasion progress hoaxes order uncommon usenet forged identities makes insidious people reputations assaulted forgery fluidity identity internet attractive features identity harmful professor carefully explain topic finds talking undergraduate person occupation able converse shun prejudices erased hand prejudices scientist argue evaluate findings paper reviewer authors likewise reject based unfair irrelevant criteria side connection author find identities reviewers exerting pressure acceptance identity crucial establishing regulating credit necessarily financial ownership usage functions society demand reliable accurate techniques identification heavy reliance digital authentication global economies increasingly electronic government functions services based identification enforcement frequently hinges employees government organizations push stronger identification structures identification invade privacy growth internet provoking social forces massive proportions decisions made issues identity affect future users network increasingly global universal widespread entrenched positive adverse affects actions intended inadvertent literally magnified exponentially email address identify background email address information influences people perceptions background address identify department university employee company government worker initials cryptic identification codes independent based parts social security numbers form number incremented order users added system standard internet addresses information broad geographical location nationhood information guaranteed correct fields domain qualification username based arbitrary organization invisible network cabling distributions point make early fields address specific specific computer names local networks general continental domains typically field computer receiving mail gleaning information email address inspired inconsistent futile exercise information faqs email addresses geographical distributions unix utilities exist quest question common suffixes united states united kingdom canada finland australia university college commercial organization nonprofit organization government military site find email address simple send email address send mail postmaster address postmaster postmaster find user people real solve mail routing problems sysadmin root able supply information users related email address information methods rely time patience minimally basic tools determining identity internet unix utility finger basic syntax finger user utility communication protocols query computer named address information user named response generated completely receiving computer format responses message unknown host meaning aspect address incorrect lines information message real life case receiving computer find kind match username finger utility return response situations listing information multiple users computers search matching user attempt find username substring actual full names users local database sites finger list users system finger general considered weak security attackers valid user crack passwords information fields returned finger information finger locating people email addresses email whois lookup utility means find find finger find publicly reported unix system careful modifying finger data virtually internet access worldwide query information amazing case york times writer markoff uncovered identity morris author internet worm anonymous finger book cyberspace hafner markoff identification stable internet generally identity amorphous nonexistent concept internet variety reasons inherent fluidity cyberspace people emerge submerge frequently absences readily noted community people remember faces voices primary means casual identification real world arbitary cryptic sequences letters digits comprising email addresses noticeable memorable unique identification individual multiple accounts multiple machines world internet users great assurances messages email usenet person mailing address identification individual access account password legitimately send mail address line email addresses individual tend change frequently switch jobs make moves inside organizations part current mailing protocol standards forging line mail messages fairly trivial operation hackers status path information prepended messages intermediate hosts generally unforgeable general forgeries fairly rare newsgroups email pathological cases abve basic problems today internet protocols affecting identification internet internet mail standards evolving rapidly orderly standards mail address munging parsing tend vary slightly sites frequently difference finding addresses bouncing mail domain names computer names frequently changed sites delays propagation data addresses resolved critical computers crash receiving computer computers involved resolving names addresses called nameservers slew problems nameservers updated find addresses operation constitutes updating interpretations sites current internet mailing addressing protocols slightly anachronistic created network obscure widespread fraction traffic sees today large proportion internet traffic email comprising millions messages future identification internet technologies standards introducing facial images voice messages mail improve sense community familiarity identification widespread require large amounts data transfer standardized software make compromises privacy promising cryptographic techniques make digital signatures digital authentication common trend usenet standards greater authentication posted information hand advances ensuring anonymity remailers forthcoming privacy privacy internet generally privacy multiple connotations society internet cyberspace exclusive access account data stored directed email encounter arbitrary restrictions searches words obtain data account permission ideas fairly limiting liberal scope internet users private domains users expect privacy expect demand privacy important internet debatable inflammatory topic arousing passionate opinions internet privacy granted rudely surprised find tenuous nonexistent governments rules protect privacy illegal search seizure clause constitution adopted antithetical laws prohibiting secret communications allowing wiretapping rules generally carry internet specific rules governing legal repercussions global internet largely unknown untested strong legal precedents court cases fact internet traffic frequently passes past international boundaries centrally managed significantly complicates strongly discourages regulation secure internet networks theoretically people site chain sites access hardware network media transmits data internet potentially monitor archive sheer volume general noise inherent data makes scenarios highly improbable government agencies supposedly vast funding resources technologies exist magnetic fields electrical wires detection obscurely machine network connection potential station traffic detection scenario requires knowledge access level hardware network card pursue company network general manufactures markets sophisticated network monitoring tools filter read packets arbitrary criteria troubleshooting purposes cost type device prohibitive casual instances types security breaches major scale network hubs rare greatest risks tend emerge locally note approaches completely defused cryptography secure account default multitude factors reinforce compromise aspects privacy internet account secure users universal system password weak easy guess security significantly diminished surprisingly frighteningly users system administrator generally unlimited access passwords grant access means read file account detection universally unix systems fairly extensive accounting records logged commands execute executed fact login information public features auditing process accounting information enabled default initial installation system administrator customize strengthen weaken satisfy performance privacy aims information frequently consulted troubleshooting purposes data tracks unsuccessful login attempts suspicious activities system traditional part unix system tracks user commands easily circumvented user symbolic links unix implementations vary widely tracking features sophisticated mechanisms introduced companies regularly typically system adminstrators augment basic unix functionality public domain programs locally developed tools monitoring isolate suspicious activity arises remote accesses passwd file incorrect login attempts remote connection attempts generally expect privacy account reasons potentially keystroke type intercepted system administrators make extensive backups completely invisible users record states account weeks erased files operating systems undeleted automated services logs troubleshooting sites commands record domain originations users including anonymous software exacerbates problems section windows security indepedent malevolent administrators fellow users commonly harmful threat multiple ways ensure account accessed compromises traced failures guidelines choose secure password change periodically make logout leave machine unattended long make watches type password avoid password references email conservative rhost file utilities xlock protect station considerate wary situations supply password basic situations unix prompts password logging system changing password situations arise prompts passwords forged users cases talking internet relay chat aware forged login screens method illegitimately obtain passwords mattson contributions secure files directories important privacy considerations related file rights lapses traced misunderstood nature haphazard maintenance aware rights files directories unix execute parent directory users groups users gain information directories read change delete files home directory rights directory supersede rights files directory directory means access files subdirectories directory names list contents directory requires default accounts accessable owner initial configuration varies sites based administrator preference default file mode specifies initial rights newly created files shell umask details rights implementations tend vary versions unix consult pages chmod examples traver lance drwx users listing rights user home directory denoted columns left identify rights column identifies entry directory columns read write execute rights permitted user directories means contents file subdirectory names directory listed subsequent columns users rights directory tree originating point lower files subdirectories hierarchy completely invisible traver lance traver lance chmod traver lance modes file changed rights group note requires list files subdirectories access files subdirectories order size suppose directory rights commands fail independent file rights file file directory rights readable file named file file file commands fail waldmann contributions secure windows windows primary software developed athena project funded government grants develop applications harness power networks enhancing computational tasks human computer interface software implements client server interface computer graphical windows case client application requesting utilizing graphical resources windows mouse server machine situations client application program running machine server great utility windows complete dissociation client server windows broadcast server remote location client dynamic power introduces deep intricate complicated security considerations primary security privacy issue windows sensitive data network wider regions case human situated host computer encryption data screen updates keystrokes windows intentional design decisions unintentional design flaws early versions window system extremely insecure account server machine disrupt display read electronically based access device unix regular user protections type access versions problem arises security completely based machine addresses users user trusted machine trusted quoting documentation xsecurity client host host access control list allowed access server system work environment trusts single person machine system work multiple people single machine mutual trust exist access control list xhost command prevent naive attempts direct access unix evasion syntax typed host machine xhost domain internet address authorized client machine default clients running nonlocal host disabled public domain programs disrupt display momentarily flip slowly mirror screen image pixels melt bottom circulating internet hackers years played pranks unsuspecting inexperienced users security breaches conceivable similar mechanisms exploiting inherent weaknesses minimal easily bypassed trusted security mode xhost jokingly referred hanging open security terrible versions window system higher default make server access secure file system xauthority file magic cookies remote machines code xauthority file home directory matches code allowed server older programs vendor supplied code support incompatible magic cookies basic magic cookie mechanism vulnerable monitoring techniques earlier encryption keys occurs transmission includes sophisticated encryption mechanisms xsecurity find supported site improved security mechanisms windows local sites update software infrequently installation extremely complex marc vanheyningen mattson bill marshall contributions secure email default characters reading encoded ascii american standard code information interchange maps alphabetic symbolic characters numeric codes vice versa virtually computer system code ways converting write mail message default ascii standard virtually universal intrinsic privacy milleniums worth accumulated cryptographic knowledge cryptographic technologies recently established afford high priority privacy primary criteria computer network design potential pitfalls privacy threats instances immature unscrupulous system operators reading private mail spool files local site source destination message university system administrators release files enforcement agencies conventions protocols warrants involving computer searches strongly established tested legally note bounced messages postmasters site entirety means address mail incorrect address good chance human recipient typically user accounts local mail directory private guaranteed overridden finally aware mailing lists email addresses list publicly accessable mail routing software mechanisms feature disabled potential compromises email privacy avoided strong cryptography caveats unscrupulous administrators threat encryption site shared nonlocal sections email privacy email policies liable email postings punishment system administrator revoke privileges emailing usenet posting reading groups file transferring remote communications generally subset capabilities account completely discretion local administrator procedures site cases haphazard crisis oriented virtually widespread uniform guidelines procedures restricting internet services local administrators free make arbitrary decisions access today punitive measures regularly applied situations typical scenario complaint reach system adminstrator abuses user necessarily preceded complaints user email person objectionable email postings abusive posters usenet admonitions system administrators urged debate persists endlessly newsgroups questionable means attacking silencing harmless crackpots censoring unpopular opinions system administrators remote sites regularly cooperate squelch severe cases abuse general tradition usenet readers remarkably tolerant diverse views system colorful vocabularly slang helps describe alternatives patience sapped options wielded individual user simply advance message referred hitting plonk annoying posters hacker dictionary sound jerk makes fall bottom kill file cases punitive actions applied generally system administrators restrict email usenet postings commonly restricted individual users entire groups university campus restrictions commonly abuses harassing threatening notes email terrorism illegal piracy propagation copyrighted material hominem attacks insulting reputation poster citing content message intentional extreme vulgarity offensiveness inappropriate postings binary files regular groups mail bombing inundating mail boxes numerous massive files major problems originate lack distinctions private official email postings users internet access accounts businesses universities activities internet construed representative parent organizations people disclaimers signatures attempt dissociate identity activities parent organizations precaution recent visible political case involves privacy electronic mail written white house staff members bush administration guidelines acquaint company university policy avoid company email address private communication disclaimer profile avoid flamewars simply post avoid posting information construed proprietary internal references section internet policies academic banned academic banned computer material banned challenged academia including usenet hierarchies academic cases line collection information specific computers academic freedom cases file readme detailed description items directory academic netnews liability notes university liability usenet provide information identity public information identity account unix utility finger control information utility chfn specifics vary sites systems passwd provide unlimited information plan file copied directly destination fingering technique works sites find finger vary plan file signature determined environment variable signature usenet signatures conventionally stored signature file home directory providing information online identity difficult involved approach system adminstrator change delete information full able obtain access public account unrelated personally able remotely login modem computers physically tactics hiding masking online activities foolproof consult pages chmod command default file mode generally files shared system good safeguards user pool protection corrupt system administrators mask identity email usenet accounts untraceable anonymous posting remailing services recently established sysadmin requirements screening system administration access information system vary widely sites frighteningly universities unix systems universities largely managed undergraduates background computing hacking general commercial industrial sites strict qualifications background government sites extremely strict system adminstrator root user monitor commands times record backups files account weeks monitor send email post usenet messages potentially read access records indicating hosts locally administrators employ specialized programs track strange unusual activity potentially misused privacy stable internet numerous reasons listed privacy expectation current internet large parts internet funded national science foundation places restrictions prohibiting commercial high level officials government agencies opposed emerging techniques guarantee privacy encryption anonymous services historically major threats privacy internet local common widespread occurrences university administrators refusing carry portion usenet newsgroups labelled pornographic alternative hierarchy usenet system virtually restrictions propagation group creation frequently targeted material global point view traffic generally completely unimpeded internet egregious offenders pursued verbatim transcriptions copyrighted material newspaper magazine articles posted usenet regularity major consequences email complaints ensue astonishing significant portions usenet traffic internet traffic comprised sexually explicit digitized images originating copyrighted material newsgroups regularly highest traffic future privacy internet argue internet adequate level privacy argue prototype future global networks woefully inadequate safeguards internet growing completely global international superhighway data traffic inevitably entail data voice messages postal mail items extremely personal nature computer items people completely private local hard drives literally inches global network connections sensitive industrial business information exchanged networks volume conceivably merge internet agree basic sensitive internet significant mechanisms place ensure privacy standards calling uniform introduction privacy enhanced mail encryption technologies ensure privacy privacy protection automatic significantly improve safeguards technology extremely destructive privacy surreptitious surveilance overwhelmingly effective protecting encryption government agencies opposed unlimited privacy general lawfully forfeited cases criminal conduct court authorized wiretapping powerful technologies protect privacy computers increasingly popular provoking genie back bottle idiomatic terms spread strong cryptography underway socially technically unstoppable date feasible system guarantees secure communication government oversight proposed goals largely incompatible proposals registration secret keys denning crypt controversy ridicule derision worst concerns privacy objections inherent feasibility electronic privacy issues proper roles networks internet foreseeably highly visible explosive years anonymity anonymity internet simply stated anonymity absence identity ultimate privacy variations simple theme person consistently identified pseudonym handle establish reputation area providing pseudo anonymity person completely untraceable single message sort person openly anonymous carry conversation anonymous identities anonymous return address user regular user untraceable user wishes hide sending mail addition message anonymous item directed individuals groups user access service hide signs association feasible internet tricky carry practice tracking mechanisms inherent operating systems network protocols officials government agencies opposed potential abuse inherent facelessness large networks guarantee element anonymity anonymity important internet anonymity powerful tool beneficial problematic depending arguably absence identification important presence case strong benefits electronic anonymity discovered unforeseen unpredicted true anonymity historically difficult establish anonymity make personal statements colleague sabotage relationship stated openly employer employee scenarios pass information evade threat direct retribution whistleblowers reporting government abuses economic social political bring issues light fear stigma retaliation sensitive personal potentially damaging information posted usenet groups risky situation anonymity conversations carried completely independent identities participants police departments phone services anonymous reporting crimes straightforward network extortion harassment insidious assurances anonymity anonymity protected internet chief means alluded masking identities email posting anonymous accounts public accounts accessable anonymous public telephones effective generally officially supported discouraged system adminstrators guidelines nonuniformity requirements obtaining accounts sites institutions makes anonymous accounts generally difficult obtain public large communications protocols inherently detrimental anonymity virtually protocol existence information sender receiver packet communications protocols develop guarantee higher degrees secure anonymous communication anonymous mail approach anonymizing mail anonymous server activated email address responds allocating supplying anonymous unique person requesting based email address vary person machine address email originations send anonymous mail user sends email directed server final destination server anonymizes message stripping identification information forwards message appears originate anonymous server anonymous user interactive anonymity pseudonymity mentioned fringe approach cypherpunk remailer regular user account root system privileges required pioneered eric hughes finney operator runs process machine anonymizes mail characteristics distinguish regular incoming mail typically fields header implemented perl script running unix existence sites software highly unstable operation system administrator knowledge remailers generally support anonymous return addresses mail incorrectly addressed received operator generally user remailer disavow responsibility messages forwarded system held liable approaches disadvantages weaknesses anonymous server approach requires maintaining mapping anonymous real addresses maintained indefinitely alternative deallocation aliases request user implemented scenario traffic sites conceivably monitored necessitating cryptography basic protection local administrators shut caprice pressure local network government agencies unscrupulous providers services monitor traffic remailers logs inspected cypherpunk approach highly unstable operators basically network users equipment accountable system administrators unaware unsympathetic philosophy anonymity operation discovered illicit cases high degree trust anonymous server operator user direct route anonymity involves smtp protocols submit message directly server arbitrary field information practice uncommon hackers approach remailers generally viewed hostility system administrators information header routing data logs network port connection information retained track originating site practice generally infeasible rarely carried administrators network contact local administrators request message tracked writer admonished punished severely revoking account happening occasionally infrequently sections anonymous mail posting sites responsibilities anonymity anonymous posting anonymous servers established anonymous usenet posting caveats monitored traffic capricious risky local circumstances logging make test system anonymous posting misc test operators recommend sites autorespond test messages possibly causing anonymous server allocate anonymous machines responsibilties anonymous posting proceeding direct route involves nntp protocols submit message directly newserver arbitrary field information practice uncommon hackers generally viewed hostility system administrators similar consequences ensue sections anonymous mail posting sites responsibilities anonymity anonymity stable internet noted factors compromise anonymity general internet community services great caution summarize technology infancy current approaches unrefined unreliable completely trustworthy standards established troubling situations loss anonymity bugs software prevalent encountered potential bugs anonymous remailer reallocated allocated anonymous return addresses passed signature information embedded messages unaltered address resolution problems resulting anonymized mail bounced remailer common forgeries anonymous server problem possibly allowing unauthorized users potentially glean anon email address mappings alias file remedied passwords infinite mail loops chaining remailers source code distributed tested refined systems standards progressing slowly weakly field improve considerably official endorsement action network agencies idea essentially infancy viewed suspicion distrust internet illegitimate favorable criminality major objection anonymity regular internet perceived lack accountability system operators invulnerability account restrictions resulting complaints system adminstrators sites threatened filter anonymous news postings generated prominent servers redistribution flows effect encouraging server operators create characteristically detectable headers problematic approach traditional usenet individual users deal anonymous mail prefer ignoring filtering kill files future anonymity internet anonymous protocols effectively serve significantly increase safeguards anonymity mechanism routes email multiple hosts threatening privacy guarantee scheme called chaining anonymous message passed multiple anonymous servers reaching destination generally multiple links chain broken security compromised encryption link makes scenario significantly anonymous remailers spread internet globally local weaknesses corrupt governments legal wiretapping nation sacrifice security message tracing remailers corrupt operators future anonymous services internet time highly uncertain fraught peril specific groups benefit significantly anonymous posting capabilities feel unlimited newsgroup scope anonymous posting disruptive dangerous idea detracts discussions groups introduction unlimited group anonymity fundamental repercussions usenet conventions distribution mechanisms moderated groups past part group creation charter anonymous posting widespread introduction anonymity inevitable based traffic statistics anonymous services huge demand pervasive readily anonymity carry significant unforeseen social consequences continued generally regarded subversive confined underground ramifications widespread introduction anonymity usenet largely unknown unclear provoke signficant amounts traffic expansion shift greater portion existing traffic anonymized conceivably services play role influencing future mainstream social acceptance usenet part privacy anonymity obtained anonymous manager usenet news answers privacy newsgroups news answers answers answers days written detweiler rights reserved 
privacy anonymity internet supersedes organization enterprises lines expires reply lance colostate nntp posting host thai aktis summary email account privacy anonymity file encryption academic computer policies relevant legislation references privacy rights issues internet global networks general updated archive privacy part modified version identity privacy anonymity internet detweiler commercial permission author freely copied altered credit quoted summary email account privacy anonymity file encryption academic computer policies relevant legislation references privacy rights issues internet global networks general search exact section search underline section part file resources unix programs related privacy learn cryptography cypherpunks mailing list privacy related newsgroups faqs internet privacy enhanced mail request comments rfcs related privacy anonymous remailer references privacy email email usenet internet policies crosslink anonymous message program miscellaneous digital cash hacker cracker cypherpunk steganography anonymous pools security obscurity identity daemons standards needed guard electronic privacy issues electronic frontier foundation computer professionals social responsibility cpsr operation devil steve jackson game case integrated services digital network isdn national research education network nren proposed digital telephony legislation related privacy networks references rights cyberspace computers academic freedom archive footnotes background internet internet anarchy english language wanted list change history resources unix programs related privacy information type apropos keyword unix shell prompt passwd change password finger obtain information remote user chfn change information obtainable remote users passwd chmod change rights file directory umask shell change default creation file access rights list rights files directories xhost disable access control users xwindow server list latest user logins system originations list users login idle times originations list users running xhost access control list window client xauth control window server authentication signature file home directory appended usenet posts forward file forward email accounts xauthority file window server authentication keys signature variable email usenet postings tcpdump packet tracing program loosely based etherfind etherfind code remains originally written jacobson lawrence berkeley laboratory part ongoing research project investigate improve internet gateway performance current version anonymous host address file tcpdump compressed unix file program subject standard berkeley network software copyright learn cryptography general introduction theoretical cryptographic issues frequently discussed crypt form compiled stratus carl ellison gwyn doug gwyn steven bellovin nist national institute standards technology publishes introductory paper cryptography special publication public cryptograhy james nechvatal april anonymous csrc ncsl nist file nistpubs anonymous wimsey crypt crypto directory covers technical mathematical aspects encryption number theory general information found paul fahn labortories anonymous readme file information version hardcopy laboratories marine parkway redwood city send questions editor phil zimmerman pretty good privacy public domain package public encryption numerous sites widespread internet general unix based file encryption including email consult archie database newsgroup security mailing list requests info request ripem marc vanheyningen news answers ripem program performs privacy enhanced mail cryptographic techniques electronic mail properties authentication confirmed privacy read intended recipient ripem written primarily mark riordan code public domain routines library called rsaref licensed data security ripem anonymous citizens permanent residents rsaref read readme file info ripem crypt stuff home site rpub open anonymous users canada citizens permanent residents find obtain access crypt read file access note cryptography generally integrated email system proficiency required users utilize cypherpunks mailing list eric hughes runs cypherpunk mailing list dedicated discussion technological defenses privacy digital domain send email cypherpunks request added subtracted list charter important means defense privacy encryption encrypt desire privacy encrypt weak cryptography desire privacy cypherpunks hope people desiring privacy learn defend privacy related newsgroups faqs newsgroups comp acad freedom news comp acad freedom talk moderated unmoderated issues related academic freedom privacy universities documented examples violated privacy email documented examples censorship limiting usenet groups local availability cyberpunks virtual reality science fiction william gibson bruce sterling cyberpunk mainstream hackers usenet network news transfer protocol nntp posting mechanisms simple mail transfer protocol smtp obligatory hack reports privacy general privacy issues involving taxpaying licensing social security numbers security comp security misc computer related security issues news answers security security ripem dedicated discussing public domain cryptographic software packages pretty good privacy software developed phil zimmerman public encryption ripem mark riordan public encryption comp society privacy privacy issues computer technologies examples caller identification social security numbers credit applications mailing lists moderated comp news comp talk moderated unmoderated groups electronic frontier foundation started mitch kapor protecting civil constitutional rights electronic realm news admin news admin policy concerns news administrators nntp standards mechanisms news lists usenet traffic distributions frequent posters voluminous groups active sites crypt considers scientific social issues cryptography examples legitimate public patents cryptographic security cypher breaking faqs faqs frequently asked questions newsgroups answers anonymous manager rtfm directory usenet news answers archive archived file privacy network info part sources information internet connect commercial vendors security computer related security issues arising security comp security misc unix related privacy privacy issues social security number pdial public dialup internet accounts list college email part find email addresses undergraduate graduate students faculty staff colleges universities ripem information ripem program public mail encryption officially sanctioned public partners company owns patents public cryptography unix part frequently asked questions unix including information finger terminal spying distributions geographic university network distributions internet privacy enhanced mail internet drafts privacy enhanced mail describe standard revision years delineating official protocols email encryption standard recently stabilized implementations developed privacy enhancement internet electronic mail part message encryption authentication procedures linn privacy enhancement internet electronic mail part certificate based management kent privacy enhancement internet electronic mail part certification related services kaliski privacy enhancement internet electronic mail part algorithms modes identifiers balenson send email info information rfcs related privacy information obtain rfcs requests comments rfcs related privacy smtp simple mail transfer protocol nntp network news transfer protocol standard interchange network news messages glossary networking terms answers experienced internet user questions answers internet user questions privacy issues network information center databases answers commonly asked internet user questions includes basic terminology internet smtp internet organizations internet activities board ietf internet enbgineering task force glossary terms internet info internet rfcs obtained pathname rfcnn rfcnn nn refers number login username anonymous password guest automatic mail service sites address request service subject field message number subject nn subject nn postscript rfcs rfcs obtained login username anonymous password guest connect directory file form rfcnn nn refers number automatic mail service sites address request info leave subject field message blank line text message send rfcnn nn replaced number anonymous remailer cypherpunk remailer source soda berkeley cypherpunks directory written perl easy install administrative rights required karl barrus information modifications remailer operators mentioned amenable discussing features problems helping sites operational address points section responsibities anonymous document prior advertising service committed long term stability site avoid running surreptitiously references privacy email brown urges users adopt policy mail privacy network world bairstow jeffrey reads electronic mail electronic business june electronic envelopes uncertainty keeping mail private scientific american february papers email privacy article rights email privacy ruel hernandez academic privacy email computer electronic mail privacy edited version school seminar paper ruel hernadez papers email privacy biblio compilation bibliography mail privacy issues part work compiled stacy veeder papers email privacy research author digital research formalize employee privacy policy mail casesightings divided groups constitutional california papers company email formulating company policy access disclosure electronic mail company computer systems david johnson john podesta electronic mail assocation alcor information alcor mail privacy suit academic privacy email email privacy search berkeley email usenet internet policies computer policy critiques archive collection computer policies schools networks computers academic freedom group electronic frontier foundation site collection includes critiques policies gopher archive browsable command gopher academic policies gopher archive accessible anonymous email directory academic policies email access send email archive server include line send acad freedom policies list files file readme detailed description items directory information make contributions report typos contact greenfield greeny directory widener additional policies critiques networks acceptable policies networks including compuserve file compuserve nsfnet file nsfnet information research commercial networks index networks email policies sysadmins handle issue email privacy control abuse compiled hooper schools computer policies number schools schools index full list description commentary academic policy opinions academic computer policies academic email policies universities treat email computer files private academic netnews writing policies users write usenet academic netnews reading policies users read usenet university remove restrict netnews newsgroups people find offensive academic policy guidance creating evaluating university academic computer policy crosslink anonymous message program crosslink anonymous message system student cable anonymous medium students things find difficult inconvenient impossible person send totally random messages friends similar anonymous message pages found college newspapers electronic nature free messages posted service email information send email crosslink miscellaneous digital cash digital encryption authentication technologies possibility widespread digital cash system someday realized system utilizing codes users banks similar today checking system digital approach issues cryptography privacy anonymity closely transfer cash economy article scientific american david chaum experimental digital bank karl barrus based suggestions finney cypherpunks mailing list server send mail elee message text command user user email address hacker cracker terms arouse strong feelings meaning internet general news media past person computers networks malicious ends breaking systems referred hacker internet users prefer term cracker hacker perceived benign intensely ambitious curious driven computer user explores obscure areas system proud electronic pioneer patriot sense intended document hacker dictionary security cypherpunk charter cypherpunk mailing list cypherpunks assume privacy good thing cypherpunks acknowledge privacy create expect governments corporations large faceless organizations grant privacy beneficence cypherpunks people creating privacy centuries whispers envelopes closed doors couriers cypherpunks seek prevent people speaking experiences opinions information cypherpunk mailing list cryptoanarchist manifesto cryptography glossary soda berkeley cypherpunks steganography anonymous pools closely encryption steganography techniques pursuing private encrypted communication concealing existence communication possibilities area introduced proliferation computer technology encode messages significant bits images typically noisy addition item posted public place newsgroup virtually untraceable communication place sender receiver steganographic communications electronic realm possibility setting mailing list individual messages broadcast entire list individual users decode messages unique anonymous pool miron cuperman miron wimsey experiments send email commands subject line subscribe unsubscribe security obscurity security obscurity refers attempt gain protection system weaknesses hiding sensitive information programs relating company make public information software encryption techniques evade attacks based knowledge concealing data existence security holes bugs operating systems reliance made fact standard mechanism potential problems widely widely argument occasionally applied mechanisms email usenet posting forgery security obscurity regarded feeble technique inappropriate ineffective worst called head sand approach security remarks john perry barlow cofounder electronic frontier foundation directed agents international symposium national security national competitiveness held mclean virginia digitized information hard stamp classified contained stuff incredibly leaky volatile life form ability propagate hits people find interesting spread virus mind simply accept idea moving environment information interesting people thing view differ identity daemons describes protocol standard unix programs query remote user login connection local communication socket connection type established telnet sessions standard widely supported internet sites implement number increasing mechanism detrimental anonymity regular users disable system adminstrators circumvent standard represent trend greater authentication mechanisms standards needed guard electronic privacy remailing posting stable secure protected officially sanctioned permitted publicly privately operated anonymous servers hubs official standards encryption anonymity mail usenet postings anonymous protocols source destination information obscured absent hidden routing mechanisms chaining encrypted addresses standards anonymous email addressing embedding files remailer site chaining general recognition anonymity cryptography related privacy shields legitimate desirable crucial general public governments widespread implementation technologies systems designers hardware software standards implemented securely seamlessly transparently general shift dependence reliance means wiretapping electronic surveillance enforcement agencies publicity retraction dissolution laws government agencies opposed privacy replaced structures dedicated strengthening protecting issues electronic frontier foundation mission statement world arising vast digital electronic media connect computer based communication media electronic mail computer conferencing basis forms community communities single fixed geographical location comprise settlements electronic frontier established legal principles cultural norms give structure coherence conventional media newspapers books telephones digital media easily existing frameworks conflicts struggles define application context fundamental notions speech property place profoundly forms people sense promise threat inherent computer communications technologies struggle master simply cope workplace home electronic frontier foundation established civilize electronic frontier make beneficial technical elite keeping society highest traditions free open flow information communication started multimillionaire mitchell kapor founder lotus software john barlow lyricist grateful dead rock band highly publicized endeavor organization involved legal defense steve jackson games raid accompanying civil suit section steve jackson games foundation publishes news effector online electronically send requests effnews request letter mitchell kapor chairman subcommittee primary jurisdiction telecommunications policy dated november representative edward markey complemented mitchell kapor insights development national public information infrastructure appreciated greatly members subcommittee complete text infra pursue policies encourage bell companies work sectors communications industry create consumer oriented public information network staff policies computer industry serve public interest creating priced widely network competition open innovation rewarded learn lessons computer industry past fifteen years apply current debate structuring information communications networks future gaining input computer industry subcommittee shape policies bring spirit innovation entrepreneurship information services industry file basic information including goals mission achievements current projects membership form mission statement mission statement historical founding announcement founding press release historical history john perry barlow terribly history july conceived founded major legal cases organizational directions historical legal case summary legal case summary computer professionals social responsibility cpsr computer professionals social responsibility working protect promote electronic civil liberties issues group offices palo alto cambridge washington chapters involved litigation nist secret service government agencies declassify provide documentation issues operation sundevil wiretap proposal interference crypography breakup raid arlington members speak frequently front congress state legislators public utility commissions testify privacy information policy computer security caller identification cpsr created extensive internet privacy library gopher wais email cpsr comprising largest collection privacy documents internet information anonymous cpsr cpsr dave banisar contributions operation sundevil steve jackson game case early fear spread enforcement agencies illicit activities hackers phreakers involved activities credit card fraud long distance call thievery general information effector operation sundevil phoenix inspired crackdown concentrated telephone code fraud credit card abuse seizure plan success bulletin board systems america terrifying underground swiftly depriving criminal instruments saddled analysts floppy disks confronted harried justice department prosecutors daunting challenge gigantic nationwide hacker show trial involving highly technical issues dozens jurisdictions massive show trials materialized isolated instances prosecution pursued movement reached crescendo texas highly publicized case illegal search seizure involving steve jackson games company austin texas march column gurps labour lost bruce sterling fantasy science fiction magazine early morning raid unlawful unconstitutional warrant agents secret service conducted search office left manuscript prepared publication private electronic mail computers including hardware software computer bulletin board system jackson business innocent crime suspects place raid staged unfounded suspicion jackson office document compromising security telephone system agents involved seizure named civil suit filed behalf steve jackson games electronic frontier foundation information article abernathy houston chronicle austin electronic civil rights case secret service closed thursday clear statement federal district judge sparks service failed conduct proper investigation notorious computer crime crackdown retaining custody seized equipment secret service special agent timothy foley chicago charge austin computer search seizures march lawsuit stoically endured spark rebuke service poor investigation abusive computer seizure policies service seized dozens computers crackdown began case challenge practice sparks grew visibly angry established austin science fiction magazine game book publisher suspected crime agents marginal research establish criminal connection firm suspected illegal activities employee determine company publisher agents testified trained privacy protection special secret service school computer crime long foley find steve jackson games asked sparks hour reason march return steve jackson games copy floppy disk form read article business week magazine picture steve jackson abiding paying citizen computer crime suspect occur foley seizing material harm steve jackson economically foley replied judge offered answer idea hire lawyer spent electronic frontier foundation bringing case trial founded mitchell kapor amid civil liberties movement sparked large part secret service computer crime crackdown papers sundevil collection information operation sundevil epic nonprofit publishing project wanted find papers resp steve jackson response charges integrated services digital network isdn isdn high speed data communications standard utilizes existing copper telephone lines inexpensive intermediate alternative laying fiber optic cable phone networks speeds involved sufficient audio video transmission applications leun file infra telecommunications united states crossroads regional bell operating companies free provide content shape information networking irrevocably altered network open accessible affordable network american public decide question electronic frontier foundation recently presented plan congress calling deployment national network based existing isdn technology accessible telephone connection priced local voice service deployment platform spur development innovative information services maximize freedom competitiveness civil liberties nation testifying congress making presentations public utility commisions massachusetts california meeting representatives telephone companies publishers consumer advocates stakeholders telecommunications policy debate believes participants internet pioneers electronic frontier voices heard critical moment automatically receive description platform details send mail archive server line send documents open platform overview send mail introduction open platform proposal infra references digital data demand macworld page kbps isdn services products comments powers infra telephone service rings future joshua quittner newsday implications isdn masses written popular science style john perry barlow cofounder regional telephone companies ohio bell isdn technological rorschach test anecdotes mcdonald barbara bush teleconferencing complete text infra infra files email public infrastructure group organized month opinions facts pros cons isdn integrated services digital network isdn phone video audio japanese model alternatives isdn hdsl adsl fiber optics technical specifications isdn implementation details cost issues political obstacles rboc regional bell operating companies baby bells england telephone influencing development future networks isdn nren national research education network encouraging competition cable systems press releases news articles letter markey kapor national research education network nren nation research education network introduced legislation cosponsored gore promote high speed data network infrastructure augmenting internet times faster transmission rates bill passed house november senate november signed president december legislation nren bill text complete text house senate compromise version high performance computing internet info gore bill congress session text high performance computing bill cosponsored gore legislation gore infrastructure bill text information infrastructure technology introduced senator gore expand federal efforts develop technologies applications high performance computing high speed networking provide coordinated federal program accelerate development deployment advanced information infrastructure play favorites promoting nationwide computer network john markoff times president bush legislation natiowide computer data superhighway venture monopoly destructive fair competition innovation national science foundation nsfnet complete text infra commentary academic statements nren privacy cpsr proposed privacy guidelines nren statement marc rotenberg washington director computer professionals social responsibility cpsr internet info cisler nren national research education network meetings steve cisler senior scientist apple computer library december summary meetings exploring educational issues nren diverse members academia industry internet info privatized nren essay kapor advocating advantages private national public network specific recommendations open nren policies encouraging competition papers netproposition proposed nren setup proposed digital telephony providers electronic communication services private branch exchange operators provide united states capability capacity government intercept wire electronic communications authorized legislative watch fbis wiretapping proposal thwarted steele boardwatch magazine move worried privacy experts software manufacturers telephone companies proposed legislation amend communications make easier bureau perform electronic wiretapping proposed legislation entitled digital telephony required communications service providers hardware manufacturers make systems tappable providing back doors enforcement officers intercept communications capability provided undetectably communications progress exclusive communications parties mobility target investigation degradation service proposal department justice communications products market determines products meet guidelines result increased costs reduced competitiveness service providers equipment manufacturers features result rejection entire product proposal suggests cost wiretapping service bureau borne service provider electronic frontier foundation organized broad coalition public interest industry groups computer professionals social responsibilty cpsr aclu microsystems oppose legislation white paper produced ratified coalition entitled analysis digital telephony proposal widely distributed congress justice department lobbied hard final days congress bill congress adjourned bill found congressional sponsor officially introduced reintroduce digital telephony congress convenes january legislation wiretap bill legislation wiretap bill bill ensure continuing access enforcement content wire electronic communications authorized purposes version bill response public response house bill telecommunications commentary papers analysis sponsored analysis digital telephony proposal papers ecpa layman electronic communications privacy layman view papers nightline wire transcript nightline privacy proposed wire tapping legislation featured marc rotenberg cpsr william sessions director papers edwards letter letter director secret service edwards california response questions raised edwards subcommittee copy computer professionals social responsibility washington papers systems description information stored computer systems legislation related privacy state computer crime laws current computer crime laws united states federal code canada ghana great britain bill senate bill addressing registration encryption keys government improve improvement information access bill monitoring senate bill abuses electronic monitoring workplace privacy title relating computer crime email privacy academic privacy electronic bill text simon electronic privacy bill prevent potential abuses electronic monitoring workplace references rights cyberspace papers const cyberspace laurence tribe keynote address conference computers freedom privacy constitution cyberspace papers denning paper presented comp security conf hackers break computer systems dorothy denning papers privacy computer privacy fourth amendment rights michael borella papers rights expr rights expression cyberspace baird academic rights bill rights meaning electronic frontier computers academic freedom archive archive electronic library information computers academic freedom computers academic freedom group electronic frontier foundation site gopher archive browsable command gopher academic gopher anonymous directory academic email information email access send email archive server body note include lines index information make contributions report typos contact greenfield greeny academic statements statement codifies application academic freedom academic computers reflecting months line discussion computers academic freedom covers free expression process privacy user participation academic books directory book references related computers academic freedom mentioned discussion file books readme bibliography academic archive list files computers academic freedom archive academic news directory issues computers academic freedom news full list abstracts file abstracts special month issues named month june footnotes background internet article internet fantasy science fiction bruce sterling general nontechnical introductory notes origins internet including role rand corporation goal network resilience face nuclear attack ucla arpanet nren arpanet formally expired happy victim overwhelming success users scarcely noticed arpanet functions continued steadily improved standards computer networking global mere twenty years nodes arpanet network today tens thousands nodes internet scattered forty countries coming line million possibly million people gigantic mother computer networks internet popular scientists important scientific instrument late twentieth century powerful sophisticated access specialized data personal communication sped pace scientific research enormously internet pace growth early spectacular ferocious spreading faster cellular phones faster machines year internet growing rate twenty percent month number host machines direct connection doubling year internet moving original base military research institutions elementary high schools public libraries commercial sector references bowers laquey reynolds roubicek stahl yuan start bibliography general internetworking information cnri texas mitre august internet catalog user guide krol reilly associates clear jargonized introduction intimidating business network literacy written humorous style krol hitchhikers guide internet university illinois urbana september user directory computer networks tracy laquey matrix computer networks conferencing systems worldwide john quarterman digital press bedford massive highly technical compendium detailing mind boggling scope complexity global internetworks directory electronic mail addressing networks donnalyn frey rick adams internet companion tracy laquey jeanne ryer addison wesley evangelical etiquette guide internet featuring anecdotal tales life changing internet experiences foreword senator gore internet beginner guide brendan kehoe prentice hall internet guide plenty good advice databases internet info bruce sterling contributions general cunningham scott alan porter communication networks dozen ways change lives futurist january february brian kahin building information infrastructure york mcgraw hill isbn essays information infrastructure policy design issues research nren future visions information markets table contents infra shapard jeffrey observations cross cultural electronic networking earth review winter varley pamela electronic democracy technology review november december internet anarchy english language bruce sterling internet anarchy strange unnatural makes deep basic sense anarchy english language rents english owns english english speaking person learn speak english properly make government subsidies learn read write sort pitches thing evolves turns workable interesting fascinating people earn living exploiting teaching english english institution public property public good internet english improved english language board directors chief executive officer president congress fewer words english fewer ideas wanted list benefitted creation compilation condensation information sources privacy identity anonymity internet author committed keeping date strengthening effective feedback items sought short summaries documents references listed cpsr files data specific penetration internet traffic statistics email usenet costs involved famous obscure examples compromised privacy internet site code code turn plan file named pipe sensing reacting remote fingers knowledge promiscuous mode receipt transmission network cards details infamous experiment scientist resubmitted previously accepted papers prominent journal unknown authors subsequently rejected windows cpsr faqhood news answers commerical document negotiable author recoup significant time investment email feedback lance colostate note newsgroup change history current cpsr pointer unix mode examples digital telephony steve jackson incident additions reorganization anonymity section part note post crypt privacy news answers answers answers cancelled kamens incorrect subject line major revisions section windows email privacy items reorganized network security section sections email liability issues anonymity history responsibilities split files sources added issues part commentary news admin policy automated posting starts newsgroups faqs added wanted posted news answers future monthly posting crypt privacy formatted columns quoting miscellaneous resources sections added cypherpunk servers warnings unix examples chmod posted privacy comp society privacy identity privacy sections added anonymity expanded remailer addresses removed lack information instability posted crypt originally posted cypherpunks mailing list call organize list anonymous servers email lance colostate earlier versions part previous file identity internet identity important internet email address identify background find email address identification stable internet future identification internet privacy internet privacy important internet secure internet networks secure account secure files directories secure windows secure email liable email postings provide information identity sysadmin privacy stable internet future privacy internet anonymity internet anonymity important internet anonymity protected internet anonymous mail anonymous posting anonymity stable internet future anonymity internet part file anonymous remailing posting sites responsibilities anonymity kill anonymous postings history anonymous posting servers anonymity anonymous posting groups allowed system operators anonymous postings anon penet maintained helsingius part privacy anonymity obtained anonymous manager usenet news answers privacy newsgroups news answers answers answers days written detweiler rights reserved 
privacy anonymity internet supersedes organization enterprises lines expires reply lance colostate nntp posting host thai aktis summary notes history anonymous usenet posting email remailing services updated archive privacy part modified version notes anonymity internet compiled detweiler anonymous remailing posting sites responsibilities anonymity kill anonymous postings history anonymous posting servers anonymity anonymous posting groups allowed system operators anonymous postings anon penet maintained helsingius anonymous remailing posting sites stable anonymous remailing posting sites anon penet operated julf months system adminstrator privileges owns equipment including anonymized mail usenet posting return addresses encryption send mail information finney contributed instruction manual cypherpunk remailers site soda berkeley cypherpunks instructions scripts unix scripts remailer anonmail msdos batch files remailer ebrandt claremont anonymized mail request information address elee experimental anonymous remailer karl barrus encryption server request information address caltech experimental remailer encryption server return addresses request information address berkeley berkeley berkeley experimental remailer include header request remailing experimental remailer allowing level chaining chael hall request information address phantom washington experimental remailer encryption server finger site address information notes cypherpunk remailers tend unstable running site administrator knowledge liability issues wholly unresolved encryption based public cryptography software question cryptography encryption aspects message text destination address replies vary sites multiple chaining alias unlinking address encryption untested problematic unsupported time responsibilities anonymity users anonymity frivolous weaken seriousness usefulness capability anonymity provoke harass threaten hide anonymity evade established conventions usenet posting binary pictures regular newsgroups posting large files attentive bandwidth considerations remember simply sending posting service increases network traffic avoid posting anonymously regular hierarchy usenet place alienate readers hierarchy preferred give information posting references remember content means readers judge truth message inaccuracies tend discredit entire message future handle careful include information reveal identity enable deduce test system sending anonymized mail aware policies anonymous site respect prepared forfeit anonymity abuse privilege considerate respectful objections anonymity anonymity utmost reservation services provide anonymous return addresses courteous system operator invested large amounts time personally risking account dedicating hardware convenience operators document acceptable unacceptable introductory file users coherent consistent policy stick state logging monitoring occurring describe background interest security measures general approach totalitarian lassaiz faire formulate plan problematic ethical situations anticipate potentially intense moral quandaries dilemmas user blackmailing service user posts suicidal messages service remember users trust protect site introductory note give clear examples situations action actions warn user limit anonymity email posting revoke account user contact local administrator describe limitations software hardware address bandwidth limitations site report candidly bugs occurred work closely users isolate bugs address bugs noted stability anonymity document stability site long running compromises occured running commitment include disclaimer outgoing mail messages include address complaints ideally appended outgoing item consult lawyer liability committed long term stability site prepared deal complaints hate mail addressed hardware system runs system adminstrator consult considerate providing anonymity groups query group readers uniformity simplicity style outgoing message format screened effectively kill files ensure text anon header precautions ensure security server physical network based attacks infiltrations readers complain attack discredit poster sole reason posting anonymously make blanket condemnations equate anonymity cowardice criminality assail anonymous traffic general neutral reasons volume heavy increasing react anonymous information unemotionally abusive posters encouraged irrationally irate responses effective response silence notify operators severe abuses occur piracy harassment extortion complain postings inappropriate offend personally kill files screen anonymous postings object idea anonymity avoid temptation proclaim anonymous postings barred groups conceivable exists references academic anonymity article excerpt issue fidonews individual privacy handles accepts system operator user suggests handle analogous request withhold letter editor article concludes guidelines preserving anonymous kill anonymous postings james thomas green putting kill file anon anonymous search headers messages kill anon anonymous perfect kill followups note anonymous server operators capability mask anonymous postings method work practice widespread common countermeasure widespread anonymous filtering history anonymous posting servers originally anonymous posting services introduced individual volatile newsgroups anonymity preferred method communication talk abortion bondage dave mack started bondage early wizvax methuen stephanie gilgut gilgut enterprises disbanded lack funds system provided anonymous return addresses rain john opalko functions server including reinstating anonymous alias file group personals chewing servers tomorrow spurred disappearance wizvax interested researching idea karl kleinpaste developed system scratch hours time idea extending server mainstream groups starting emerge explored possibility partly specific request multiple users anonymity groups intended advantage system specifically multiple group support single anon identifier arguably single biggest deficiency previous anon systems kleinpaste posted message nude users anonymous service judged consensus kleinpaste introduced calls fire extinguisher squelch plonk abusive users response complaints cases months intense traffic eventually overwhelmed abuses server restricted system subjected abuses point ordered dismantled facilities staff abuses started created johan helsingius julf controversial anonymous site date anon penet based scripts code written kleinpaste supports anonymized mail posting return addresses initially wanted confine service scandinavian users expanded worldwide accessability response lots international requests helsingius policy allowing anonymous posting usenet newsgroup strong ideological opposition news adminstrators news admin policy relative newness recent emergence medium abuses anonymous posters tend higher visibility routine abuses total commitment preservation anonymity controversial highly controversial publicized case anonymous user posted supposed transcript desperate crew dialogue challenger shuttle disaster anon penet astro transcript posted place year earlier anonymously originated poster york news tabloid subsequent responses consisted largely vociferous outrage poster anonymity reverberating newsgroups original poster anonymous handle conceded story fabricated suggesting plausible possibility original intent provoke outrage gauge reactions authenticity story albeit crudely free personal risk perceived association item ensuing commotion generated queries original article late entering readers anonymous user posted deliberately offensive comments detractors piercingly irate outraged complaints vocal opposition verbal abuse kleinpaste eminent news operators helsingius largely avoided fire extingisher group bouncer mechanisms limit scope service march anon penet site inundated registered users initial months operation forwards messages approximately usenet postings anonymized site immense popularity largely capability global anonymity allowed users find creative diverse areas previously envisioned johan helsingius subject extraordinary pressure dismantle server point kleinpaste threatened publicly organize sort vigilante group irate news operators send revocation commands messages originating site helsingius alluded threats flooding server server crashed times saturation mailbombing anonymous user helsingius reports spending hours answering email requests service administration response threats disabled global group access temporarily week encouraged users defend service publicly based fast moving dialogue creative suggestions cypherpunks helsingius identified security weaknesses valuable features service process code development testing planning upgrading compatible machine handle voluminous load integrating system sophisticated functionality including multiple email aliases alias allocation control public encryption sophisticated anonymous posting system clunie cryptography directions server highest degree confidentiality running public access account shut weeks receiving requests conditions apparently ultimately originating representatives clunie released software public domain recently idea newsgroup devoted whistleblowing government abuses received wide focused attention group formation underway basic scenario group people post pseudonymously remailers establish reputations based authentifiable digital signatures traffic eventually reach reporters mainstream news media deltorto volunteered attack multiple aspects project including distributing easy read documentation posting anonymization encryption sections views anonymous posting anon penet document carl kleinpaste david clunie johan helsingius contributions anonymity kondared bitnet anonymous posts focusing attention content message anonymous posts abusive frivolous cases users find anon facility novelty wears stopping pranks morgan morgan mind miscellaneous hatred prejudice racism things part nature notion providing anonymity shield ideas repulses strong feelings postings frankly loathe communication people refuse names dclunie david clunie question anonymity risks individual question conservative society live holding views making statements adopting lifestyle result public censure ridicule loss status employment legal action heterogeneity legal jurisdictions contributors usenet post legal anonymous posters cowards stand counted point view detractors exercise censorship doug doug sewell censorship expect speak cloak anonymity lame argument requires anonymity wishes majority anonymous users newsgroup disregarded anonymous posts anonymous users rights legitimate usenet participants honor rfds cfvs control messages votes brad brad templeton disadvantage caused anon posting sites exist fact make naive users post anonymously prone mandel mandel speak regard anonymous postings discussion pretty worthless views hide veil anon worth trouble reading penet hank pankey began posting anonymously show support general principles personal privacy subject abuse attack received people find easier flame insult easier pretend person email address feels sting abusive comments anonymity hinder methods controlling posters actions people seek control naturally oppose acearl bsuvc making free medium allowing posters protect anonymity simply require posters prepared discuss sources information heat unsubstantiated dribble things xtkmg kate gregory misc kids threads started anonymous posters changing jobs work hours sharing woman current place work thinking work woman thinking baby coworkers friends family advice parenthood started people posting usual pointed anonymous posting service people participate misc kids suffering harm presence anonymous posters fact helped hoey army hoey real security anonymous forged postings usenet process sufficiently inconvenient error prone undocumented limit persons learned culture hand recent anonymous posting service math student homework problem attributed teacher explanation dubious answer teaching guide news posting broken anonymous service mail news gateway karl barrus argue opinions people hide veil anonymity worthless people thoughts agree point ideal world sitting engaging socratic dialogues freely exchanging opinions effort learn ideal world threaten thoughts ridicule live world people agree harm face people agree opinion matter logically present reasoned restrict people voicing opinions neoucom richard depew consensus general anonymous posting service anon penet sufficiently corrosive trust civility experiment ended time question learned harm good stopped heidelberg alexander eichener anonymous posting created major problems angering irate people anonymous pseudonymous posting altogether real stand comparable puerile arguments brought dave nasa dave hayes primal human nature questions folks people things based identity people affected people verbage labeled abuse importantly forum prizes freedom communication enjoys thing freedom communication terry terry mcgonigal anon services needed start running purpose stands benefit anon services sudden fasination anon services imho worse stuck things idea services norm obvious work karl kleinpaste karl kleinpaste weak reasoning freedom responsibility dave nasa dave hayes responsibility real enforced true responsibilty coercion anonymous posting groups allowed morgan morgan admit hold controversial opinions completely orthodox opinions received hundreds anonymous email messages years fewer reasonable posts made good motives difficult remember anonymity abusers lousing things service good suggesting anonymous servers situations anonymity good thing notion anonymity shield automatically extended usenet discussion ridiculous opens door abuse twpierce amherst pierce determine group requests service flat majority posters voting favor positive margin votes speaks newsgroup convinced arguments anonymous posting service newsgroups inherently idea simply diversion status status previously permitted anonymous posting newsgroups anonymous posting service reject status hartman uucp richard hartman writes facist suggest newsgroup able decide anonymous postings forced service administrator ogil uchicago brian ogilvie service mechanism forwarding mail original poster usenet readers john smith jane opinions address effect anonymous posting mail replies directed minimal personally poster lack anonymity mechanism liable abuse benefits costs weighed limiting service groups specific groups advice sensitive issues professional newsgroups tarl stratus tarl neustaedter additional point find anonimity technical matters profoundly offensive anonimity forums meanings phone call identify hang mail return address garbage unopened accosts street wearing mask back carefully expecting violence technical discussion anonimity means individual associate matter discussed discredits utterances makes listening waste time anonimity leads psych experiments literature filled things people anonymously including notorious study involving torture passed today ethical standards stuff case fine leave jbuck berkeley buck submitted article refereed journal receive anonymous reviews server editor behaves finland reply editor maintain anonymity comparison express technical issue anonymously person approaches dark street mask emotionally overwrought nonsense posters pose physical threat kamens obvious default anonymous postings newsgroup usenet operated principle status large number people change post message anonymous newsgroup find automated service automated service nature incapable making judgment call decide posting anonymous twpierce amherst pierce newsgroup envision scenario involving secrecy accurate content based filter anonymous posting devised screen require secrecy wonderful lasse hiller petersen newsgroup noise nuisance free call moderation happen newsgroup basis general usenet anonymous postings principle moderation anonymous postings achieved automatically moderation personally prefer moderation criteria based actual content david clunie dclunie group receive posts moderated defined mechanisms groups place automated moderator excluding posts anonymous sites individuals easily established draconian approach good luck doubt reading group dave uucp dave ratcliffe posting anonymously group adults post names hide anonymous posting service ashamed rile people fear identified anonymous posting place groups groups planet breathing exotic gases long karl kleinpaste bloody fascinating proponents unimpeded universal anon posting access find middle ground perception absolutism instant gratification syndrome anon access control freaks acearl bsuvc remember newsgroup posters writing scientific issues anonymous discussion scientific issues leads science noring noring personal philosophical arguments anonymous posters arguments compelling convince omni newsgroup anonymous posting banned severely restricted prove anonymous posting principle reasons personal read psychological discomfort reasons related maintaining integrity usenet remember impossible able ascertain conceivable legitimate motives anonymous posting newsgroups deem sensitive general fear letting newsgroup readers vote allowing allowing anonymous posting priori motives legitimate posters system instituted inhibit posting legitimate informative posts lestat cactus lyle mackey writes personally pseudonymous postings discussion area legitimate reason concealing posters identity simply attached qualify legitimate book legitimate purpose anonymous postings enlighten sderby ssctr stuart derby founding fathers madison hamilton anonymous posting federalist papers originally printed york newspapers authorship attributed publius find purpose legitimate system operators anonymous postings emcguire mcguire junk articles posted anonymous service discussed ideally feed site feed articles posted anonymous service assuming news performance release simple accomplish learn dclunie david clunie draconian users unanimously decided decided emcguire mcguire good question decided definite plan wanted technical data carl kleinpaste karl kleinpaste nectar position offering service promises protection anonymity limited basis personal opinion posted basis postings disrupt smooth operation usenet obvious direct recourse abusive individual drastic possibilities exist software supports fire extinguisher individuals prevented posting john john hascall usenet democracy anonymous service business host killfile business newsadmin blanket drop postings site people site ignores service service effectively exist jonathan kamens nntp servers posting service disservice terminal servers problems open nntp servers people illegal immoral unethical things internet accountability public access sites country world inexpensive access usenet internet reason nntp servers post messages reason terminal servers connect make outbound connections harder internet usenet open servers justified jbotz jurgen botz points show anonymous posting service great deal responsibility clients service imho defined rules contract clients sign terms assured anonymity penet problem punishing posters upsetting vague complaining acquiescent sysadmin organizations poster belongs surely gutless approach solving problems experience shows users vilify anonymous postings write obsessively detailed grievances poster supervisor tranquility disturbed intrusive subversive post anonymous postings prevent kind intimidation gandalf eric schilling main point make revise news reject anon posts technical newsgroups thing attempt prove futile attempt modify news result changed approach anon service providers thwart change pointless julf johan helsingius stay discussion discussion leads rally feel speak repeatedly made clear block users continue abuse warned cases users heed warning stopped cases apologized public warning desired effect blocked number users blocked access groups readership vote anonymous postings feel changing newsgroup status moderated permanent solution newsgroups formalize discussion neoucom richard depew volunteering issue request discussion anonymous postings moderate newsgroups server reach illustrates trouble server causing listen consensus news administrators group newsgroup consulted letting server post messages group heidelberg alexander eichener pompous consensus news administrators invent sizeable number people concerned minor extent actual abuse server configured concerns respectable johan dealing rage foam mouth condemn service altogether number defend pointing kate gregory group misc kids benefit pseudonymous postings julf johan helsingius answered personal mail related server abuse result blocked number abusive users withdrawn service newsgroups users vote issue made comments news admin policy partly newly implemented password feature emergency measure security hole busy answering user queries weeks partly feel justify service users problem news admin policy readership elective representing people whith strong interest centralised control hartman uucp richard hartman bigoted attitude group wishes discuss controlled interest centralized control clear indication bias perfectly join discussions promote views control jbuck berkeley debate sound fury signifying decide anonymous posting servers enforceable people conceivably enforce retrictions control international links policy made cooperation attempting dictate persuade services friendly persuasion beat head stick stick berkeley steve pope finding bias pseudonymity boring friend posting penet point guard network thing pseudonymous servers cuts turf whine bitch time slightest abuse long parlay argument pseudonymity record cheers admins anon servers penet access service providers preserve clients privacy defeat restrict pseudonymity mimir washington billings people anon postings group anon address kill file anon site assign fake names jsmith anon avoid hassles anonymous anne concordia anne bennett admit astonishment argument anonymous postings circumstances strongly identified people read material people identify fail good accomplishing surmise people inconvenience annoyance hiding anonymity postings anonymous site care justify hell gall prevent people effectively filtering news dclunie david clunie thought reach australia sites involved feed complained australian academic reasearch network site connected concept anonymous mail redeeming features consuming narrow bandwidth link argue stop service face disconnection demise service unfortunate finnish remailer luck pity similar services provided guess benefit constitution guarantees freedom speech legal political system conspires subvert public good anon penet helsingius karl kleinpaste funny beating rest usenet head stick anon penet universal anon access people side equation arguing shut control applied abuses manifest allowed written johan times couple weeks reply readily source software originally delivered downright prompt replying funny impolite bastard answer mail consists civil queries julf johan helsingius mail told messages server flood mail resulted server coming crashed mail host problem aggregated abusive user sending thousands messages user filling users mailbox bounce messages ended mailbox overflowing local disk suppose message lost hassle answer anon related messages routine addessed messages complaints service average spend hours answering anon related messages karl kleinpaste impoliteness insensitivity misuse anon penet definitions polite sense apply universal anon access considered realm fuzzy concept politeness place johan long crossed line rude bastard told private mail point deeply regret created anonymous system supporting newsgroup code johan copyright thought concept politeness good sense follow homes interesting johan ideas politeness good sense interesection mine cope universal anon access johan engage abuse control range reality julf johan helsingius convey upset message made extent understand feelings feels running server requires flames mindlessly abusive hate mail easier deal respect views opinions high degree sympathy wanted giving views weight asked software provide service scandinavian users people requested service open international community realize contacted point feel stuff context apologise replace remaining pieces code thet stem system remove ideas structure results work ended approve giving hard thought possibility shutting server alltogether karl kleinpaste feeling rude impolite good johan good greater usenet universal anon access good idea rude pain usenet death penalty slightly modified strategic site attack tactical assault penet destruction parrot line people things cancelling postings years stop politeness good sense prevented fact people expressed privately desire ability fact newsadmins ready amusing people gulped hard read johan configuration calmed fears newsadmins ready asked code site bring anon penet screeching halt implement care politeness good sense prevents long form impoliteness brings form julf johan helsingius trivially easy bring anon penet screeching halt fact happened couple times talking threats make simple maliciously brings anon penet means stay users person thread personal responsibility actions amdahl atul salgaonkar grateful appreciative service courtesey penet important questions personal life career resolved kind people similar situations return replied anon postings thought make positive contribution general anon service great opinion tool people responsibly suggest alive wasting bandwidth important saving lives serc elisa collins informed anonymous posting service newsgroups turned result discussions newsgroup people abusing posting nontechnical misc newsgroup intimate topic felt required privacy received immeasurable people newsgroup anonymity behave abusive immature unethical fashion folks service point view permit admin penet turn service back part file identity internet identity important internet email address identify background find email address identification stable internet future identification internet privacy internet privacy important internet secure internet networks secure account secure files directories secure windows secure email liable email postings provide information identity sysadmin privacy stable internet future privacy internet anonymity internet anonymity important internet anonymity protected internet anonymous mail anonymous posting anonymity stable internet future anonymity internet part previous file unix programs related privacy learn cryptography cypherpunks mailing list privacy related newsgroups faqs internet privacy enhanced mail request comments rfcs related privacy anonymous remailer references privacy email email usenet internet policies crosslink anonymous message program digital cash hacker cracker cypherpunk steganography anonymous pools security obscurity identity daemons standards needed guard electronic 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text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization national institute standards technology distribution lines note file anonymous file transfer csrc ncsl nist directory nistnews nist computer security white house office press secretary release april statement press secretary president today announced initiative bring federal government industry voluntary program improve security privacy telephone communications meeting legitimate enforcement initiative involve creation products accelerate development advanced secure telecommunications networks wireless communications links long dialogue private sector enforcement community resolve tension economic vitality real challenges protecting americans technology accommodate competing interests economic growth privacy enforcement previous policies pitted government industry rights privacy enforcement sophisticated encryption technology years protect electronic funds transfer protect electronic mail computer files encryption technology americans protect business secrets unauthorized release personal information terrorists drug dealers criminals state microcircuit called clipper chip developed government engineers chip represents approach encryption technology inexpensive encryption devices attached ordinary telephone scrambles telephone communications encryption algorithm powerful commercial today technology companies protect proprietary information protect privacy personal phone conversations prevent unauthorized release data transmitted electronically time technology preserves ability federal state local enforcement agencies intercept lawfully phone conversations criminals escrow system established ensure clipper chip protect privacy abiding americans device chip unique keys numbers needed authorized government agencies decode messages encoded device device manufactured keys deposited separately escrow data bases established attorney general access keys limited government officials legal authorization conduct wiretap clipper chip technology enforcement authorities access content private conversations americans demonstrate effectiveness technology attorney general purchase thousand devices addition respected experts government offered access confidential details algorithm assess capabilities publicly report findings chip important step addressing problem encryption dual edge sword encryption helps protect privacy individuals industry shield criminals terrorists clipper chip approaches provide abiding citizens access encryption prevent criminals hide illegal activities order assess technology trends explore approaches escrow system president directed government agencies develop comprehensive policy encryption accommodates privacy citizens including employ voice data encryption business purposes ability authorized officials access telephone calls data proper court legal order protect citizens effective timely modern technology build national information infrastructure needed promote economic growth competitiveness american industry global marketplace companies manufacture export high technology products president directed early frequent consultations affected industries congress groups advocate privacy rights individuals policy options developed administration committed working private sector spur development national information infrastructure telecommunications computer technologies give americans unprecedented access information infrastructure high speed networks information superhighways transmit video images hdtv programming huge data files easily today telephone system transmits voice encryption technology play increasingly important role infrastructure federal government quickly develop consistent comprehensive policies administration committed policies protect americans privacy protecting break information provided accompanying fact sheet provisions president directive acquire encryption technology additional details call heyman national institute standards technology questions answers clinton administration telecommunications initiative approach expand authority government agencies listen phone conversations clipper chip technology enforcement authorities access content private conversations americans suppose enforcement agency conducting wiretap drug smuggling ring intercepts conversation encrypted device decipher message obtain legal authorization court order wiretap place present documentation authorization entities responsible safeguarding keys obtain keys device drug smugglers split parts stored separately order ensure security escrow system escrow data banks escrow data banks independent entities point department justice administration determine agencies oversee escrow data banks strong security device strong security system secure voice encryption systems readily today algorithm remain classified protect security escrow system invite independent panel cryptography experts evaluate algorithm assure potential users unrecognized vulnerabilities decision propose product national security council justice department commerce department agencies involved decision approach endorsed president vice president cabinet officials consulted congress industry discussions congress industry encryption issues expect discussions intensify carry review encryption policy briefed members congress industry leaders decisions related initiative government provide hardware manufacturers government designed developed access encryption microcircuits providing microcircuits product manufacturers product manufacturers acquire microcircuits chip manufacturer produces clipper chip mykotronx programs facility torrance california sell chip encryption device manufacturers programming function licensed vendors future encryption devices expect manufacturers incorporating clipper chip devices administration unable find technological solution proposed administration legal remedies restrict access powerful encryption devices fundamental policy question considered broad policy review escrow mechanism provide americans encryption product secure convenient expensive readily today piece comprehensive approach encryption technology administration developing administration encryption threatens public safety effective enforcement prohibit outright countries effectively american matter entitled unbreakable commercial encryption product false tension created assessment issue proposition concerns fact harmoniously balanced reasoned balanced approach proposed clipper chip similar encryption techniques decision clinton administration policy encryption differ bush administration understand importance encryption technology telecommunications computing committed working industry public interest groups find innovative ways protect americans privacy businesses compete ensure enforcement agencies tools fight crime terrorism devices exportable devices government hardware voice encryption devices subject export control requirements case case review export required ensure devices true encryption devices attractions technology protection give companies operating home abroad mind expect export licenses granted case case basis companies seeking devices secure communications abroad plan review possibility permitting wider exportability products 
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clipper chip crypto escrow summary bohica keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx organization banzai institute lines nntp posting host mycroft rand document anonymous directory nist shoe dropped gillogly trewesday astron note file anonymous file transfer csrc ncsl nist directory nistnews nist computer security white house office press secretary release april statement press secretary president today announced initiative bring federal government industry voluntary program improve security privacy telephone communications meeting legitimate enforcement initiative involve creation products accelerate development advanced secure telecommunications networks wireless communications links long dialogue private sector enforcement community resolve tension economic vitality real challenges protecting americans technology accommodate competing interests economic growth privacy enforcement previous policies pitted government industry rights privacy enforcement sophisticated encryption technology years protect electronic funds transfer protect electronic mail computer files encryption technology americans protect business secrets unauthorized release personal information terrorists drug dealers criminals state microcircuit called clipper chip developed government engineers chip represents approach encryption technology inexpensive encryption devices attached ordinary telephone scrambles telephone communications encryption algorithm powerful commercial today technology companies protect proprietary information protect privacy personal phone conversations prevent unauthorized release data transmitted electronically time technology preserves ability federal state local enforcement agencies intercept lawfully phone conversations criminals escrow system established ensure clipper chip protect privacy abiding americans device chip unique keys numbers needed authorized government agencies decode messages encoded device device manufactured keys deposited separately escrow data bases established attorney general access keys limited government officials legal authorization conduct wiretap clipper chip technology enforcement authorities access content private conversations americans demonstrate effectiveness technology attorney general purchase thousand devices addition respected experts government offered access confidential details algorithm assess capabilities publicly report findings chip important step addressing problem encryption dual edge sword encryption helps protect privacy individuals industry shield criminals terrorists clipper chip approaches provide abiding citizens access encryption prevent criminals hide illegal activities order assess technology trends explore approaches escrow system president directed government agencies develop comprehensive policy encryption accommodates privacy citizens including employ voice data encryption business purposes ability authorized officials access telephone calls data proper court legal order protect citizens effective timely modern technology build national information infrastructure needed promote economic growth competitiveness american industry global marketplace companies manufacture export high technology products president directed early frequent consultations affected industries congress groups advocate privacy rights individuals policy options developed administration committed working private sector spur development national information infrastructure telecommunications computer technologies give americans unprecedented access information infrastructure high speed networks information superhighways transmit video images hdtv programming huge data files easily today telephone system transmits voice encryption technology play increasingly important role infrastructure federal government quickly develop consistent comprehensive policies administration committed policies protect americans privacy protecting break information provided accompanying fact sheet provisions president directive acquire encryption technology additional details call heyman national institute standards technology questions answers clinton administration telecommunications initiative approach expand authority government agencies listen phone conversations clipper chip technology enforcement authorities access content private conversations americans suppose enforcement agency conducting wiretap drug smuggling ring intercepts conversation encrypted device decipher message obtain legal authorization court order wiretap place present documentation authorization entities responsible safeguarding keys obtain keys device drug smugglers split parts stored separately order ensure security escrow system escrow data banks escrow data banks independent entities point department justice administration determine agencies oversee escrow data banks strong security device strong security system secure voice encryption systems readily today algorithm remain classified protect security escrow system invite independent panel cryptography experts evaluate algorithm assure potential users unrecognized vulnerabilities decision propose product national security council justice department commerce department agencies involved decision approach endorsed president vice president cabinet officials consulted congress industry discussions congress industry encryption issues expect discussions intensify carry review encryption policy briefed members congress industry leaders decisions related initiative government provide hardware manufacturers government designed developed access encryption microcircuits providing microcircuits product manufacturers product manufacturers acquire microcircuits chip manufacturer produces clipper chip mykotronx programs facility torrance california sell chip encryption device manufacturers programming function licensed vendors future encryption devices expect manufacturers incorporating clipper chip devices administration unable find technological solution proposed administration legal remedies restrict access powerful encryption devices fundamental policy question considered broad policy review escrow mechanism provide americans encryption product secure convenient expensive readily today piece comprehensive approach encryption technology administration developing administration encryption threatens public safety effective enforcement prohibit outright countries effectively american matter entitled unbreakable commercial encryption product false tension created assessment issue proposition concerns fact harmoniously balanced reasoned balanced approach proposed clipper chip similar encryption techniques decision clinton administration policy encryption differ bush administration understand importance encryption technology telecommunications computing committed working industry public interest groups find innovative ways protect americans privacy businesses compete ensure enforcement agencies tools fight crime terrorism devices exportable devices government hardware voice encryption devices subject export control requirements case case review export required ensure devices true encryption devices attractions technology protection give companies operating home abroad mind expect export licenses granted case case basis companies seeking devices secure communications abroad plan review possibility permitting wider exportability products gillogly trewesday astron 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx organization banzai institute lines nntp posting host mycroft rand piece time paragraph demonstrate effectiveness technology attorney general purchase thousand devices addition respected experts government offered access confidential details algorithm assess capabilities publicly report findings means planning make public crypt faqs achieve level comfort clipper finally hands bits watch flow experts long biham shamir handle good learn gillogly trewesday astron 
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text white house announcement clipper chip encryption reply bontchev informatik hamburg organization virus test center university hamburg distribution lines clipper ncsl nist clipper chip announcement writes president today announced initiative bring federal government industry voluntary program improve security privacy telephone communications meeting legitimate enforcement nice formulation introduction encryption devices built trapdoors feds wanted long dialogue private sector enforcement community resolve tension economic vitality real challenges protecting americans technology accommodate competing interests economic growth privacy enforcement previous policies pitted government industry rights privacy enforcement protect electronic mail computer files encryption technology americans protect business secrets unauthorized release personal information terrorists drug dealers criminals current proposal prevent ordinary telephone scrambles telephone communications encryption algorithm powerful commercial today incredibly weak encryption algorithms commercial today technology companies protect proprietary information protect privacy personal phone conversations prevent unauthorized release data transmitted electronically government time technology preserves ability federal state local enforcement agencies intercept lawfully phone conversations criminals nope criminals stupid chip secure technology means intercept phone conversations people stupid agencies decode messages encoded device device manufactured keys deposited separately escrow data bases established attorney general access keys limited government officials legal authorization conduct wiretap government keys matter hands clipper chip technology enforcement authorities access content private conversations americans correct provide americans false sense privacy devices addition respected experts government offered access confidential details algorithm assess capabilities publicly report findings screening public trusted people trust today examinations parts design secret chip important step addressing problem encryption dual edge sword encryption helps protect privacy individuals industry shield criminals terrorists clipper chip approaches provide abiding citizens access encryption prevent criminals hide illegal activities order assess technology technology hide illegal activities abiding citizens trust government misuse abilities decrypt conversations privacy citizens including employ voice data encryption business purposes government companies manufacture export high technology products technology export restricted encryption technology play increasingly important role infrastructure federal government quickly develop consistent comprehensive policies administration committed policies protect americans privacy protecting break short technology protect abiding citizen privacy casual snooper protect government decides misuse ability decrypt conversations protect criminals succeed break encryption scheme steal keys bribe people handle prevent criminals secure encryption communication approach expand authority government agencies listen phone conversations clipper chip technology enforcement authorities access content private conversations americans correct provide privacy claims escrow data banks escrow data banks independent entities point department justice administration determine agencies oversee escrow data banks candidates mafia strong security device strong security system secure voice encryption systems readily today trust algorithm remain classified protect security escrow security obscurity system invite independent panel cryptography experts evaluate algorithm assure potential users unrecognized vulnerabilities open public examination trusted prove devices examination built phones decision propose product national security council justice department consulted congress industry discussions congress industry encryption issues expect discussions intensify carry review encryption policy briefed members congress industry leaders decisions related initiative forget academia government provide hardware manufacturers government designed developed access encryption microcircuits providing microcircuits product manufacturers product manufacturers acquire microcircuits chip manufacturer produces smell monopolism clipper chip mykotronx programs facility torrance california sell chip encryption device manufacturers programming function licensed vendors future mafia administration unable find technological solution proposed administration legal remedies restrict access powerful encryption devices main question buried fundamental policy question considered broad policy review escrow mechanism provide americans encryption product secure convenient expensive readily today trust administration encryption threatens public safety effective enforcement prohibit outright countries short decide outlaw strong crypto effectively american matter entitled unbreakable commercial encryption product government strong crypto munitions constitutions guarantees american bear arms american entitled matter unbreakable commercial encryption product understand importance encryption technology telecommunications computing committed working industry public interest groups find innovative ways protect americans privacy businesses compete ensure enforcement agencies tools fight crime terrorism bullshit proposed technology false sense security encryption devices built capabilities breaking encryption prevent criminals strong crypto step outlaw strong crypto devices exportable devices government hardware voice encryption devices subject export control requirements case case review export required ensure devices optimist believed administration leave export controls strong crypto devices american business resist comment plot totalitaristic americans fight rights vesselin time david sternlight claim system great vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test 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text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization california institute technology pasadena lines distribution nntp posting host alumni caltech question clipper encryption made illegal administration encryption threatens public safety effective enforcement prohibit outright countries effectively american matter entitled unbreakable commercial encryption product false tension created assessment issue proposition concerns fact harmoniously balanced reasoned balanced approach proposed clipper chip similar encryption techniques clear middle ground implied statements americans clipper encryption unbreakable encryption implies ultimately clipper strong encryption illegal language jarring talk harmonious balance talking taking people communications privacy article emphasizes voice communication data mail encryption mentioned sophisticated encryption technology years protect electronic funds transfer protect electronic mail computer files privacy citizens including employ voice data encryption business purposes worst nightmares raised dorothy denning proposals coming true government continues imagine strong cryptography made illegal encryption programs disk files email software encrypted voice communications distributed underground people learn hide fact protecting privacy shocking frightening happening finney caltech 
battle joined nntp posting host servo qualcomm organization qualcomm lines dorothy denning wrong headed ideas administration sooner feared time make hear side story hear loudly phil forwarded message subject text white house announcement clipper chip encryption note file anonymous file transfer csrc ncsl nist directory nistnews nist computer security white house office press secretary release april statement press secretary president today announced initiative bring federal government industry voluntary program improve security privacy telephone communications meeting legitimate enforcement initiative involve creation products accelerate development advanced secure telecommunications networks wireless communications links long dialogue private sector enforcement community resolve tension economic vitality real challenges protecting americans technology accommodate competing interests economic growth privacy enforcement previous policies pitted government industry rights privacy enforcement sophisticated encryption technology years protect electronic funds transfer protect electronic mail computer files encryption technology americans protect business secrets unauthorized release personal information terrorists drug dealers criminals state microcircuit called clipper chip developed government engineers chip represents approach encryption technology inexpensive encryption devices attached ordinary telephone scrambles telephone communications encryption algorithm powerful commercial today technology companies protect proprietary information protect privacy personal phone conversations prevent unauthorized release data transmitted electronically time technology preserves ability federal state local enforcement agencies intercept lawfully phone conversations criminals escrow system established ensure clipper chip protect privacy abiding americans device chip unique keys numbers needed authorized government agencies decode messages encoded device device manufactured keys deposited separately escrow data bases established attorney general access keys limited government officials legal authorization conduct wiretap clipper chip technology enforcement authorities access content private conversations americans demonstrate effectiveness technology attorney general purchase thousand devices addition respected experts government offered access confidential details algorithm assess capabilities publicly report findings chip important step addressing problem encryption dual edge sword encryption helps protect privacy individuals industry shield criminals terrorists clipper chip approaches provide abiding citizens access encryption prevent criminals hide illegal activities order assess technology trends explore approaches escrow system president directed government agencies develop comprehensive policy encryption accommodates privacy citizens including employ voice data encryption business purposes ability authorized officials access telephone calls data proper court legal order protect citizens effective timely modern technology build national information infrastructure needed promote economic growth competitiveness american industry global marketplace companies manufacture export high technology products president directed early frequent consultations affected industries congress groups advocate privacy rights individuals policy options developed administration committed working private sector spur development national information infrastructure telecommunications computer technologies give americans unprecedented access information infrastructure high speed networks information superhighways transmit video images hdtv programming huge data files easily today telephone system transmits voice encryption technology play increasingly important role infrastructure federal government quickly develop consistent comprehensive policies administration committed policies protect americans privacy protecting break information provided accompanying fact sheet provisions president directive acquire encryption technology additional details call heyman national institute standards technology questions answers clinton administration telecommunications initiative approach expand authority government agencies listen phone conversations clipper chip technology enforcement authorities access content private conversations americans suppose enforcement agency conducting wiretap drug smuggling ring intercepts conversation encrypted device decipher message obtain legal authorization court order wiretap place present documentation authorization entities responsible safeguarding keys obtain keys device drug smugglers split parts stored separately order ensure security escrow system escrow data banks escrow data banks independent entities point department justice administration determine agencies oversee escrow data banks strong security device strong security system secure voice encryption systems readily today algorithm remain classified protect security escrow system invite independent panel cryptography experts evaluate algorithm assure potential users unrecognized vulnerabilities decision propose product national security council justice department commerce department agencies involved decision approach endorsed president vice president cabinet officials consulted congress industry discussions congress industry encryption issues expect discussions intensify carry review encryption policy briefed members congress industry leaders decisions related initiative government provide hardware manufacturers government designed developed access encryption microcircuits providing microcircuits product manufacturers product manufacturers acquire microcircuits chip manufacturer produces clipper chip mykotronx programs facility torrance california sell chip encryption device manufacturers programming function licensed vendors future encryption devices expect manufacturers incorporating clipper chip devices administration unable find technological solution proposed administration legal remedies restrict access powerful encryption devices fundamental policy question considered broad policy review escrow mechanism provide americans encryption product secure convenient expensive readily today piece comprehensive approach encryption technology administration developing administration encryption threatens public safety effective enforcement prohibit outright countries effectively american matter entitled unbreakable commercial encryption product false tension created assessment issue proposition concerns fact harmoniously balanced reasoned balanced approach proposed clipper chip similar encryption techniques decision clinton administration policy encryption differ bush administration understand importance encryption technology telecommunications computing committed working industry public interest groups find innovative ways protect americans privacy businesses compete ensure enforcement agencies tools fight crime terrorism devices exportable devices government hardware voice encryption devices subject export control requirements case case review export required ensure devices true encryption devices attractions technology protection give companies operating home abroad mind expect export licenses granted case case basis companies seeking devices secure communications abroad plan review possibility permitting wider exportability products 
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inventing crypto policy statement xxmessage xxdate nntp posting host harding organization electronic frontier foundation useragent nuntius lines april initial analysis clinton privacy security proposal clinton administration today made major announcement cryptography policy effect privacy security millions americans part plan begin comprehensive inquiry major communications privacy issues export controls effectively denied people easy access robust encryption enforcement issues posed technology concerned administration reached conclusion critical part inquiry public comment discussion allowed apparently administration leverage telephone equipment vendors adopt voice encryption standard developed national security agency called clipper chip split escrowed encryption scheme built chips manufactured military contractor separate escrow agents store users keys required turn enforcement presentation valid warrant encryption scheme classified chips manufacturer incorporation communications products proposal raises number concerns administration adopted solution conducting inquiry developed clipper chip secure product vendors developers schemes rely government sole source clipper chips independent chip manufacturers able produce chipsets based open standards algorithm trusted tested administration proposes chip algorithm classified believes standard adopted public open public confidence security standard open independent expert scrutiny split dual escrowed system prove reasonable balance privacy enforcement details scheme explored publicly adopted give people confidence safety keys disclosure keys party waive individual amendment rights subsequent criminal inquiries questions administrations proposal raised fails answer administration shown great sensitivity importance issues planning comprehensive inquiry digital privacy security clipper chip solution considered part inquiry adopted discussion begins details proposal escrow divided escrow agents hold bits manufacturer communications device required register keys independent escrow agents tied device person presentation valid court order escrow agents turn parts enforcement agents presidential directive issued attorney general asked identify escrow agents administration suggested enforcement federal agency federal reserve governmental organization chosen agreement identity agents classified algorithm possibility back doors administration claims back doors means government break code securing keys escrow agents president told back doors classified algorithm order prove administration sources interested arranging star crypto cracker team security arrangement examine algorithm trap doors results investigation made public clipper chipset designed produced sole source secret contract national security agency private firms vlsi mycotronx work plan underway years manufacturing contract months government market driver order market moving show government believes security system feds customers product users include secret service gore president today commerce department press briefing number people asked question private organization individual adopt classified standard independent guaranty security freedom trap doors comprehensive policy inquiry administration announced commence inquiry policy issues related privacy protection encryption enforcement items considered include export controls encryption technology digital telephony proposal appears inquiry conducted national security council presidential directive describing inquiry classified public involvement process promised terms information contact jerry berman executive director jberman daniel weitzner senior staff counsel full text press releases fact sheets issued administration site danny weitzner senior staff counsel 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization capriccioso newsreader version distribution lines eager hear legal theory restricting exchange cryptographic data encrypted messages admendment theory regulating personal encryption personal thoughts feelings tenable make treaty iceland restrict crypto paraphernalia good constitution happen treaties pointed force land bill rights amendment congress make respecting establishment religion prohibiting free exercise thereof abridging freedom speech press people peaceably assemble petition government redress grievances amendment regulated militia security free state people bear arms infringed amendment soldier time peace quartered house consent owner time manner prescribed amendment people secure persons houses papers effects unreasonable searches seizures violated warrants issue probable supported oath affirmation describing place searched persons things seized amendment person held answer capital infamous crime presentment indictment grand jury cases arising land naval forces militia actual service time public danger person subject offence jeopardy life limb compelled criminal case witness deprived life liberty property process private property public compensation minutes privacy grady 
rubick shortest path algorithm status organization comtech labs lines expected time factor algorithm finding shortest path solution rubicks cube randomly chosen position read recent discussion rubicks cube question answered notice specifically algorithm finds shortest path solution underlying assumption program brute force search positions unreasonably pessimistic assumption significantly improved ideas approach problem spend time developing wanted work administrivia posted groups attempted followup puzzles place continue discussion cross post summary email replies gladly accepted jimmy 
cryptography patents organization graphics newsreader version lines charles kincy ckincy wrote article portal cain writes hope cynicism misplaced ahead afraid wrong uneasy feeling wrong emotionally state bunch crap fact tiny disclaimer check facts grow strong correlation interest cryptography immaturity flame immature wrong offer proof assertions putz shut provide proof private dickhead putz cain 
white house public encryption management fact sheet organization national institute standards technology distribution lines note released white house today conjunction announcement clipper chip encryption technology fact sheet public encryption management president approved directive public encryption management directive advanced telecommunications commercially encryption part wave computer communications technology encryption products scramble information protect privacy communications data preventing unauthorized access advanced telecommunications systems digital technology rapidly precisely handle high volume communications advanced telecommunications systems integral infrastructure needed ensure economic competitiveness information benefits communications technology frustrate lawful government electronic surveillance sophisticated encryption effect united states exported abroad thwart foreign intelligence activities critical national interests past preserve government capability conduct electronic surveillance furtherance legitimate enforcement national security interests time protecting privacy civil liberties citizens encryption technology improves require innovative approaches area communications encryption government developed microcircuit privacy encryption substantially robust current government standard permits escrowing keys needed unlock encryption system escrowing keys government gain access encrypted information legal authorization assist enforcement government agencies collect decrypt legal authority electronically transmitted information direct action installation government developed microcircuits attorney general united states representative request manufacturers communications hardware incorporates encryption install government developed escrow microcircuits products fact enforcement access escrowed keys concealed american public steps ensure existing future versions escrow microcircuit made widely communications hardware manufacturers consistent ensure security escrow system making decision intend prevent private sector developing government approving microcircuits algorithms equally effective assuring privacy secure escrow system escrow attorney general make arrangements entities hold keys escrow microcircuits installed communications equipment case holder agree strict security procedures prevent unauthorized release keys keys released government agencies established authority acquire content communications encrypted devices microcircuits attorney general review legal sufficiency procedures agency establishes authority acquire content communications procurement encryption devices secretary commerce consultation agencies initiate process write standards facilitate procurement encryption devices fitted escrow microcircuits federal communications systems process sensitive unclassified information expect process proceed schedule permit promulgation final standard months directive attorney general procure utilize encryption devices extent needed preserve government ability conduct lawful electronic surveillance fulfill secure enforcement communications attorney general utilize funds department justice asset forfeiture super surplus fund effect purchase 
initial analysis clinton privacy security proposal organization university illinois dept comp urbana lines article comp news effector online carl april initial analysis clinton privacy security proposal clinton administration today made major announcement cryptography policy effect privacy security millions americans part plan begin comprehensive inquiry major communications privacy issues export controls effectively denied people easy access robust encryption enforcement issues posed technology concerned administration reached conclusion critical part inquiry public comment discussion allowed apparently administration leverage telephone equipment vendors adopt voice encryption standard developed national security agency called clipper chip split escrowed encryption scheme built chips manufactured military contractor separate escrow agents store users keys required turn enforcement presentation valid warrant encryption scheme classified chips manufacturer incorporation communications products proposal raises number concerns administration appears adopting solution conducting inquiry developed clipper chip secure product vendors developers schemes rely government sole source clipper chips independent chip manufacturers able produce chipsets based open standards algorithm trusted tested administration proposes chip algorithm classified believes standard adopted public open public confidence security standard open independent expert scrutiny split dual escrowed system prove reasonable balance privacy enforcement details scheme explored publicly adopted give people confidence safety keys disclosure keys party waive individual amendment rights subsequent criminal inquiries administration shown great sensitivity importance issues planning comprehensive inquiry digital privacy security clipper chip solution considered part inquiry adopted discussion begins details proposal escrow divided escrow agents hold bits presentation valid warrant escrow agents turn parts enforcement agents attorney general asked identify escrow agents administration suggested enforcement federal agency federal reserve governmental organization agreement identity agents registration manufacturer communications device tied device person classified algorithm possibility back doors administration claims back door means government break code securing keys escrow agents president told back doors classified algorithm order prove administration sources interested arranging star crypto cracker team security arrangement examine algorithm trap doors results investigation made public government market driver order market moving show government believes security system feds customers product users include secret service gore president information contact jerry berman executive director daniel weitzner senior staff counsel carl kadie represent organization kadie uiuc 
clipper crypto organization stratus computer software engineering lines distribution inet nntp posting host ellisun stratus keywords crypto response white house white house received nice automatic reply micmail noting passing included snail address reply care reply protect voice network privately developed crypto enforcement fact hope legislate crypto system designer clipper chip freely export algorithms freely destination country carl ellison stratus stratus computer fairbanks boulevard marlborough 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx organization uscrpac lines argue nose camel worth noting government proposal limited scrambled telephony purpose extend electronic mail file encryption improvement current mass produced standard civilian technology exceptions limited easy break inverters note issue feds continued ability wiretap deep long discusions secure crypto mail files focus question asked release proposal limited telephony government intends expand share concerns expressed find proposal threatening americans secure telephony jerk pair clip leads goat eavesdrop plug security hole cellular cordless phones reading lines infer system highly secure access keys meet businesses confronted rich powerful adversaries including french japanese security services rich japanese companies make stuff protecting enforcement legitimate corporations trust delighted high security system certified price depositing keys escrow difficulty creating reliable escrow corporations entrust secrets attorneys week system worked pretty point view fair starting point concerns addressed including reliability escrows return access high security crypto suggested systems breakable similarly skilled endowed good possibility checked proposed system breakable trapdoors government keys pursuant legitimate court order protect legitimate communications economic adversaries able eavesdrop crooks pursuant court order discussing avoid nastiness personal attacks noise previous threads substantive technical issue personal remarks place discussion david sternlight great care ensure accuracy information errors omissions excepted 
inventing crypto policy statement summary half small organization project panda lines article danny weitzner writes divided escrow agents hold bits split group controls privacy infeasible illicitly gain access agents agent wishes break crypto cooperation agent stand brute force attack agency hold halves imagine half start listening point imply idea rest system brintle leave final word director project panda twang 
detect illegal cipher organization kaleida labs lines distribution world nntp posting host jfenton kaleida useragent nuntius xxmessage xxdate government encryption method able decode traffic order accuse unauthorized strong encryption technique keys escrow ciphertext draw blank imagine ciphertext exhibiting statistical characteristics give clue encryption technique give handle diferential cryptoanalysis superencipherment scheme shapes percieved properties ciphertext thwart 
data hiding scheme distribution world organization boring reply mike demon mailer simple news lines article bear colorado writes price floppies high years store data file times public filesystem casual observer miss accidently cover bear giles bear colorado noaa atari shipped disks years disks order make life complicated freebie disks mags double formatted side disk read flip side program swap sides side side mike mike demon 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization stanford university lines article caltech finney writes question clipper encryption made illegal administration encryption threatens public safety effective enforcement prohibit outright countries effectively countries american matter entitled unbreakable commercial encryption product false tension created assessment issue proposition concerns fact harmoniously balanced reasoned balanced approach proposed clipper chip similar encryption techniques clear middle ground implied statements americans clipper encryption unbreakable encryption implies ultimately clipper strong encryption illegal logical consequences code designed obscure informatio easily breakable illegal including code words project speaking language english refering implicitly events john night listener code pick drugs night code blow pentagon midnight mentioning perfectly understood average person education words syllable speaking heavy accent bemisunderstood people books meaning animal farm language jarring talk harmonious balance talking taking people communications privacy worst nightmares raised dorothy denning proposals coming true government continues imagine strong cryptography made illegal encryption programs disk files email software encrypted voice communications distributed underground people learn hide fact protecting privacy wonderful encrypter borrow converts message meet bomb white house bring dynamite apparently innoculous message message output message shocking frightening happening shockiong happen shocking happen country arrogance call free write congress person plain text write congress person encrypted text decrypter optional send random keystroked congressperson send random keystrokes accross boundaries spooks busy decode write encryption algorithms clipper products work government sell overseas easy interests decode make perfect tool industrial military espionage lulling stupid false sense security notice mention safety americans disclaimer opinions mine represent elses hide moment able method coding data high list priorities andrew conway stanford phone 
cryptography patents organization johns hopkins university department lines article portal cain writes check facts grow strong correlation interest cryptography immaturity hmm check facts good advice check cain facts charles kincy ckincy wrote limitation guess code providing secure communications average citizen purpose preventing average citizen selling fact unlawful distribute code implementing license charging research purposes allowed patent similarly unlawful average citizen encrypt message traffic license licensed freely product encryption rsaref ripem aware post yeah mucho bucks routines sound reasonable full shit negotiated license bucks incredibly reasonable upfront charge sliding scale depending capitalization startup afford afford start place people insist making unequivocal statements fact contact data security sell license unsolicited tipem cost percent royalties suppose matter opinion terms count mucho bucks incredibly reasonable falls routines guess interested bucks agenda secure communications government agents considered treatment paranoia government single biggest thorn side fact restrictions cryptography beginning change impediments widespread cryptography patents cain shut facts straight world destroyed crumble dust free deny desires benito mussolini italian anarchist poet jack eifrig eifrig johns hopkins university dept 
inventing crypto policy statement organization uunet technologies falls church lines nntp posting host rodan article danny weitzner writes divided escrow agents hold bits started doubt technical competence people designed system earth split parts escrow separately large volumes data voice links produce easy break simply sequences independent places partial keys actual sequences selected randomly actual random sequences conspiracy vadim 
keeping mouth shut hard drive security nntp posting host servo qualcomm reply karn qualcomm organization qualcomm lines article vkub vince writes original scheme suggested disappear threatening conditions question contempt court compell longer produced keys pretty easy automatically communications link opposed storage keys retained long owner able retrieve data communications security generate random session diffie hellman destroy back decrypt recordings conversation make attacked middle authenticate exchanges secure phone displaying compare verbally phone nice simple relies user awareness inability middle duplicate users voices authenticate exchanges actual encryption compromising secret impersonate future conversation revoke public able decrypt recordings prior conversations session keys destroyed convinced government secure phones work neat phil 
registration idea organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex suppose nist mykotronix registered system standard able system local radio shack phone built chip government phone call phone dutifully register prevent swapping phones friend buying phone garage sale whooa secret registered keys unsynchronized government listen receive gobbledly gook secret registered leads conjecture system secure master keys work phones country part registering keys bogus system vulnerable simple phone swapping attacks criminals quickly figure town case deeper wxld 
white house public encryption management fact sheet organization university karlsruhe germany lines distribution nntp posting host karlsruhe mime version content type text plain charset content transfer encoding clipper ncsl nist clipper chip announcement writes president approved directive public encryption management directive exported abroad thwart foreign intelligence activities critical national interests attorney general united states representative request manufacturers communications hardware incorporates encryption install government developed escrow microcircuits products interesting administration intend persuade governments eavesdrop companies install chips communication systems sold abroad customer knowedge consent thomas koenig karlsruhe bitnet engineering find straight line double logarithmic diagram 
detect illegal cipher nntp posting host camelot bradley organization bradley university lines fenton writes government encryption method able decode traffic order accuse unauthorized strong encryption technique keys escrow ciphertext draw blank thinking system transmits clear serial number device start serial number warrant apparently encryption find prefix assume authorized encryption scheme kloo gnomes generous robert crawford betel bradley 
clipper stuff organization citicorp lines nntp posting host charon citicorp newsreader version description general principles clipper proposal public system private system system work keys tied device person escrowed keys split chunks guess availability chunks reasonable search machine read traffic suggesting deliberate weakness system make easily fixable giving chunks ored generate real philip 
white house public encryption management fact sheet organization stratus computer software engineering lines distribution nntp posting host ellisun stratus article clipper ncsl nist clipper chip announcement writes procurement encryption devices attorney general procure utilize encryption devices extent needed preserve government ability conduct lawful electronic surveillance fulfill secure enforcement communications attorney general utilize funds department justice asset forfeiture super surplus fund effect purchase talk adding insult injury civil forfeiture abolished decent administration continued gain wiretap equipment carl ellison stratus stratus computer fairbanks boulevard marlborough 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization nasa langley research center hampton lines nntp posting host oldtown larc nasa article clipper ncsl nist clipper chip announcement writes suppose enforcement agency conducting wiretap drug smuggling ring intercepts conversation great nice choice convince unrestricted encryption child molester word suspect guess people convicted operating drug ring jail cells question suppose enforcement agency conducting wiretap political opponent senior administration official intercepts conversation kinda interpretation event presence clipper chip change things give people talking phone false sense security give federal enforcement agencies justification deny strong encryption methods inconvenient dang supposed inconvenient impossible make abuses minimized allowing legitimate enforcement access strong security device strong security system secure voice encryption systems readily today algorithm remain classified protect security escrow system invite independent panel cryptography experts evaluate algorithm assure potential users unrecognized vulnerabilities predict months weeks chip debut full technical details posted crypt impact security escrow system lied cryptosystem worth salt withstand light public scrutiny algorithm unrecognized vulnerabilities half world break decade gotta careful michael palmer crazy writes secret palmer nasa conceal ripem server vulgar roger bacon 
inventing crypto policy statement nntp posting host servo qualcomm reply karn qualcomm organization qualcomm lines article vadim antonov writes started doubt technical competence people designed system earth split parts escrow separately large volumes data voice links produce easy break simply sequences independent places partial keys actual sequences selected randomly actual random sequences real technical details hard answer question suppose xoring parts produce bits real material exportable version phil 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption oleg csufresno oleg kibirev distribution organization computer science departement california state university infresno nntp posting host csufresno reply clipper ncsl nist message lines article clipper ncsl nist clipper chip announcement writes article found today comp security misc send reply separate post comp thayt original text oleg relay version news site path csus netcom netcomsv decwrl uunet dove csrc ncsl nist clipper newsgroups comp security misc clipper ncsl nist clipper chip announcement date sender news nist distribution organization national institute standards technology lines note file anonymous file transfer csrc ncsl nist directory nistnews nist computer security white house office press secretary release april statement press secretary president today announced initiative bring federal government industry voluntary program improve security privacy telephone communications meeting legitimate enforcement initiative involve creation products accelerate development advanced secure telecommunications networks wireless communications links long dialogue private sector enforcement community resolve tension economic vitality real challenges protecting americans technology accommodate competing interests economic growth privacy enforcement previous policies pitted government industry rights privacy enforcement sophisticated encryption technology years protect electronic funds transfer protect electronic mail computer files encryption technology americans protect business secrets unauthorized release personal information terrorists drug dealers criminals state microcircuit called clipper chip developed government engineers chip represents approach encryption technology inexpensive encryption devices attached ordinary telephone scrambles telephone communications encryption algorithm powerful commercial today technology companies protect proprietary information protect privacy personal phone conversations prevent unauthorized release data transmitted electronically time technology preserves ability federal state local enforcement agencies intercept lawfully phone conversations criminals escrow system established ensure clipper chip protect privacy abiding americans device chip unique keys numbers needed authorized government agencies decode messages encoded device device manufactured keys deposited separately escrow data bases established attorney general access keys limited government officials legal authorization conduct wiretap clipper chip technology enforcement authorities access content private conversations americans demonstrate effectiveness technology attorney general purchase thousand devices addition respected experts government offered access confidential details algorithm assess capabilities publicly report findings chip important step addressing problem encryption dual edge sword encryption helps protect privacy individuals industry shield criminals terrorists clipper chip approaches provide abiding citizens access encryption prevent criminals hide illegal activities order assess technology trends explore approaches escrow system president directed government agencies develop comprehensive policy encryption accommodates privacy citizens including employ voice data encryption business purposes ability authorized officials access telephone calls data proper court legal order protect citizens effective timely modern technology build national information infrastructure needed promote economic growth competitiveness american industry global marketplace companies manufacture export high technology products president directed early frequent consultations affected industries congress groups advocate privacy rights individuals policy options developed administration committed working private sector spur development national information infrastructure telecommunications computer technologies give americans unprecedented access information infrastructure high speed networks information superhighways transmit video images hdtv programming huge data files easily today telephone system transmits voice encryption technology play increasingly important role infrastructure federal government quickly develop consistent comprehensive policies administration committed policies protect americans privacy protecting break information provided accompanying fact sheet provisions president directive acquire encryption technology additional details call heyman national institute standards technology questions answers clinton administration telecommunications initiative approach expand authority government agencies listen phone conversations clipper chip technology enforcement authorities access content private conversations americans suppose enforcement agency conducting wiretap drug smuggling ring intercepts conversation encrypted device decipher message obtain legal authorization court order wiretap place present documentation authorization entities responsible safeguarding keys obtain keys device drug smugglers split parts stored separately order ensure security escrow system escrow data banks escrow data banks independent entities point department justice administration determine agencies oversee escrow data banks strong security device strong security system secure voice encryption systems readily today algorithm remain classified protect security escrow system invite independent panel cryptography experts evaluate algorithm assure potential users unrecognized vulnerabilities decision propose product national security council justice department commerce department agencies involved decision approach endorsed president vice president cabinet officials consulted congress industry discussions congress industry encryption issues expect discussions intensify carry review encryption policy briefed members congress industry leaders decisions related initiative government provide hardware manufacturers government designed developed access encryption microcircuits providing microcircuits product manufacturers product manufacturers acquire microcircuits chip manufacturer produces clipper chip mykotronx programs facility torrance california sell chip encryption device manufacturers programming function licensed vendors future encryption devices expect manufacturers incorporating clipper chip devices administration unable find technological solution proposed administration legal remedies restrict access powerful encryption devices fundamental policy question considered broad policy review escrow mechanism provide americans encryption product secure convenient expensive readily today piece comprehensive approach encryption technology administration developing administration encryption threatens public safety effective enforcement prohibit outright countries effectively american matter entitled unbreakable commercial encryption product false tension created assessment issue proposition concerns fact harmoniously balanced reasoned balanced approach proposed clipper chip similar encryption techniques decision clinton administration policy encryption differ bush administration understand importance encryption technology telecommunications computing committed working industry public interest groups find innovative ways protect americans privacy businesses compete ensure enforcement agencies tools fight crime terrorism devices exportable devices government hardware voice encryption devices subject export control requirements case case review export required ensure devices true encryption devices attractions technology protection give companies operating home abroad mind expect export licenses granted case case basis companies seeking devices secure communications abroad plan review possibility permitting wider exportability products 
keys clipper organization forecast systems labs noaa boulder lines stupid question government keys owners required register phones faxes modems inform government moved phone number penalities public identification national health care required purchasing clipper equipted phone chip transmit identifying information start conversation identification automatically calls phone company records information accessable microwave relay station raises question phones agree communications encryption derived information exchanged start conversation derivable eavesdropper bear giles bear noaa 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization clarinet communications corp distribution lines stragegy government interesting real fear voluntary program harder object surface strategy business legal pushing standard place secret standard standard drive competitors market legal sell untapable encryption registered keys difficult plan phone companies clipper chip phones able talk cellular company phones ports follow standard announced clipper chip encryption product government marketed hard major vendors chips market share rule market systems tapped police public concerned freely calls listen today extra bucks proprietary phones secure police people phones work proprietary phones market small phones expensive made numbers large sell cheap means track customer lists encryption phones reason person evade police interesting brad templeton clarinet communications corp sunnyvale 
illegal wiretaps nntp posting host wardibm yale organization yale genetics lines article dick zeitlin dick zeitlin wrote telephony equivalent anonymous remailer telephone network back prohibition days alcohol understand device called cheesebox popular means thwart tracing telephone calls connected phone lines back room uninvolved business conceptual predecesso today anonymous email remailer cheesebox carterphone version call diverter carterphone decision vendors sold call diverters couple basement redirect office phone home number feel office easy generate anonymous redialer version call diverter months heard report number pper placing untraceable calls call bong tone dial number call told interviewer short court order fight make release records matt healy pretend network administrator pretends work matt yale 
open letter clinton nntp posting host dolores lance colostate organization colorado state university fort collins lines astonished shocked appalled frontal assault emerging american freedoms clinton administration government agency legitimate role whatsoever regulating cryptography tantamount regulating acceptable speech blatantly unconstitutional rename year honor illustrious proposal crappy chip live infamy adminstration receive great shame discredit bizarre misadventure outraged money develop technology restrict freedoms reasonable measures government full uncooperation disobedience threat liberties call interest government resist defy proposal administration understand subservient instrument implement public involved proposal respect wholly negligent remiss performing lawful duty encryption technology americans protect business secrets unauthorized release personal information terrorists drug dealers criminals diplomatic communications tappable countries produce warrant fact stop paying billions dollars year produce unbreakable codes reason actions violate sovereignity international hope clinton shrewd recognize sarcasm satire modest reasonable proposal find merit cryptography neutral technology strong cryptography including policemen bureacrats businessmen housewives thugs hoodlums sustainable equilibrium unworkable anti egaltarian arrangement intrinsically antithetical american freedoms guaranteed collapse weight inherent impracticality compromise issues freedom long dialogue private sector enforcement community resolve tension economic vitality real challenges protecting americans long government demonstrated increasingly hostile obstacle economic vitality protecting americans encryption technology play increasingly important role infrastructure federal government quickly develop consistent comprehensive policies administration committed policies protect americans privacy protecting break federal government quickly develop consistent comprehensive policies period grandiose miracle thing efficient deprive american citizens fundamental inalienable rights administration committed leaving private industries issue government legitimate role regulating content communications enforcement agencies prepared forfeit surveillance bludgeon inevitably disarmed administration unable find technological solution proposed administration legal remedies restrict access powerful encryption devices laws constitutionally sound equivalent veiled threat kind extortion agitate radicalism trade threats threats violation violation administration encryption threatens public safety effective enforcement prohibit outright countries effectively administration find impeached reckless outrageous disregard essential established entrenched explicit constitutional privacy guarantees administration legal standing whatsoever action egregiously illegal criminal wholly untolerated disregarded vast segments population american matter entitled unbreakable commercial encryption product comprised vast majority people fanatically committed preserving privacy face increasingly totalitarian government chips give employees christmas bonuses algorithm computers damn make chips send pattern data highways stop gradually abruptly dissolved nothingness privacy enforcement false tension created assessment issue proposition outright dingaling denning aims privacy surveillance intrinsically fundamentally incompatible work americans discover ways technology preserve inalienable forgotten freedoms slowly eroded increasingly distant unresponsive unrepresentative government lance colostate 
clipper infringement intergraph organization netcom line communication services guest newsreader lines infringement civil liberties subject post clipper chip confusable clipper chip intergraph originally designed team fairchild semiconductor clipper risc microprocessor workstations notably intergraph supplier tools intergraph acquired clipper product line fairchild sold national semiconductor years back clipper chip announcement immediately thought article referring clipper chip grounds intergraph lawyer cryptologist incriminate laws regime timothy crypto anarchy encryption digital money tcmay anonymous networks digital pseudonyms knowledge reputations information markets aptos black markets collapse governments higher power public mailsafe 
patents nntp posting host wardibm yale organization yale genetics lines article bontchev informatik hamburg vesselin bontchev wrote ahaley andrew haley writes coca cola understood coca cola made licence dozens countries world crazy pepsico recipe countries coca cola distributed form concentrate local producers simply water simple ingredients trick concentrate true time coca cola elaborate measures formula secret instance plants cities made partial concentrates shipped back remixed complicated scheme single plant made formula guess pepsico chemists reverse engineered exotic prefer pepsi minutes money pepsi vending machine matt healy pretend network administrator pretends work matt yale 
registration idea organization netcom online communication services guest lines clipper chip effect current generation portable desktop analog voice digital voice vice versa capabilities modem output telephone interpose encryption screen voice traffic deal pass muster checking clipper chip encryption full decoding chided stating dorthy denning intellectually dishonest debate newsgroup previously refrained suggesting arguing behalf consulting clients clear dorthy denning functioning lobbyist computer scientist legal ethics truth convince scientific ethics truth understanding external world revoke membership glendenning rlglende perspective worth points niels bohr 
detect illegal cipher organization trusted information systems lines nntp posting host government encryption method able decode traffic order accuse unauthorized strong encryption technique keys escrow ciphertext draw blank thinking system transmits clear serial number device start serial number warrant apparently encryption find prefix assume authorized encryption scheme handle superencrypted traffic clipper impose unfortunate performance side effects reason superencrypt stream triple encrypted traffic traffic normal desiring listen bother trust crypto classified internals important stuff 
cryptography patents rubin beckman arthur rubin organization beckman instruments nntp posting host beckman lines eifrig jonathan eifrig writes fact unlawful distribute code implementing license charging research purposes allowed patent similarly unlawful average citizen encrypt message traffic license wrong claims unlawful distribute code implementing appears unlawful agree sentence fact restrictions cryptography beginning change impediments widespread cryptography patents correct arthur rubin rubin beckman work beckman instruments brea arthur personal opinions represent employer 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization netcom online communication services guest distribution lines stupid believed democrats stood principles personal privacy neanderthal republicans wanted aspect lives clinton clever control privacy technology small step time wait minute hmm feel white house step fact final step fear bless america john hesse jhesse plan moss beach calif canal 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization trusted information systems lines distribution nntp posting host brad brad templeton writes means track customer lists encryption phones reason person evade police start tracking customer lists people purchasing soundblaster similar boards configured code modem pretty decent digital encrypting telephone expensive kind awkward drug lords favor tappable secure long user interface nice prince wales stupid things cordless phones hard imagine drug dealers child pornographers commies lisp programmers threats civilized world transact incriminating business encrypting cellular phones 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx organization netcom online communication services guest lines article strnlght david sternlight writes share concerns expressed find proposal threatening americans secure telephony jerk pair clip leads goat eavesdrop plug security hole cellular cordless phones great wonderful news listen feds feds offer threat liberty glad jerk tapping phone anymore john hesse jhesse plan moss beach calif canal 
white house public encryption management fact sheet organization center high perf computing marlboro distribution lines security escrow system making decision intend prevent private sector developing government approving microcircuits algorithms equally effective assuring privacy secure escrow system yeah intend prevent private sector developing applications equally effective assuring privacy escrow system 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption shaen bernhardt distribution organization boston university boston lines article caltech finney writes question clipper encryption made illegal administration encryption threatens public safety effective enforcement prohibit outright countries effectively american matter entitled unbreakable commercial encryption product false tension created assessment issue proposition concerns fact harmoniously balanced reasoned balanced approach proposed clipper chip similar encryption techniques clear middle ground implied statements americans clipper encryption unbreakable encryption implies ultimately clipper strong encryption illegal text deleted judgement implied shocking frightening happening finney caltech shocking government interested monitoring public scare mortifies ripem widespread resist finney imho correctly identified logical step academic discussion regard concealing cyphertext real consideration rhetoric clinton administration obsessed harmony propositions tension tells difficult sell proposition phrase hear happening call conserative clinton huge mistake paying tommorow years approached speakeasy public depositiories dark public keys finger request public archives sovereignty sign brutal past 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization california institute technology pasadena lines distribution nntp posting host alumni caltech brad brad templeton writes strategy business legal pushing standard place secret standard standard drive competitors market legal sell untapable encryption registered keys difficult plan phone companies brad analysis correct offer explanation encryption algorithm secret prevent competitors coming clipper compatible phones lack government installed back door strategy brad describes work long compatible phones government chips nice point view personal privacy brad turns long people power provide encryption place addition clipper privacy wording passages announcement makes doubt turn true finney 
registration idea organization center high perf computing marlboro lines article digex peter wayner writes suppose nist mykotronix registered system standard able system local radio shack phone built chip government phone call phone dutifully register prevent swapping phones friend buying phone garage sale whooa secret registered keys unsynchronized government serial number invididual chip broadcast standard encrypted format brother types listen traffic court order generally crook listen receive gobbledly gook secret registered leads conjecture system secure master keys work phones country part registering keys bogus system vulnerable simple phone swapping attacks criminals quickly figure town case deeper wxld 
algorithm secret distribution organization center high perf computing marlboro lines thoughts algorithm secret chip regretably standard applications economic factors dictate chip alrogithm public code secure absent access escrowed keys represented enterprising sort make compatible crypto chips escrowed release refering refered secrecy algorithm protecting security escrow system boudrie 
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keys clipper organization clarinet communications corp lines actual algorithm classified main thrust cellular phones encryption radio identify phone company phone company complies court orders magic number chip sign warrant present warrant escrow house brad templeton clarinet communications corp sunnyvale 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption distribution organization clarinet communications corp lines article marcus ranum writes prince wales stupid things cordless phones hard imagine drug dealers child pornographers commies lisp programmers threats civilized world transact incriminating business encrypting cellular phones assume moment system secure halves encryption independent escrow houses trust escrow houses aclu joking names case prince wales worry system pointed current systems current digital systems easy decode hear people viewed goody step upwards tolerant public neighbours radios hear suggested person evidentiary wiretapping warrants ecpa violation stop tapping warrant breach security escrow houses brad templeton clarinet communications corp sunnyvale 
tapped code good distribution organization clarinet communications corp lines occurs wiretap order escrow houses release code cops code longer secure hands cops time good security good escrow houses effectively means perform wiretap wiretap obligated inform performed replace free clipper chip cellular phone code escrow houses police reveal charges laid ways positive step judges time limits warrants assume time limit renew replace chip scheme agree brad templeton clarinet communications corp sunnyvale 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow organization intercon systems corporation herndon lines distribution world reply amanda amanda walker nntp posting host chaos intercon keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx newsreader intercon connect jhesse john hesse writes great wonderful news listen feds status worried feds tapping phone high school scanner surfers kicks eavesdropping cellular cordless phone calls stupid rely clipperized channel sensitive material finally offer reasonable guard casual eavesdropping strong bear arms view private possess strong cryptosystems system security cordless phone wary cellular phones walkie talkies long mass market voice scrambling problem security offers pkcs electronic mail celp triple diffie hellman exchange voice traffic crypto restrictions lifted incrememental improvement applications amanda walker intercon systems corporation 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization intercon systems corporation herndon lines distribution world reply amanda amanda walker nntp posting host chaos intercon newsreader intercon connect article shaen bernhardt writes shocking government interested monitoring public scare mortifies surprise shocked amanda walker intercon systems corporation 
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cryptography mathematical cryptology organization crypt cabal lines expires reply crypt comments ncsu nntp posting host thai aktis summary part crypt mathematical cryptology private systems types attacks brute force cyphertext plaintext mathematical formulation cryptography security time pads updated archive cryptography part modified crypt part mathematical cryptology fourth parts crypt parts independent read part rest time send missing parts mail notes refer reference list part sections anonymous rtfm usenet news answers cryptography part cryptography posted newsgroups crypt answers news answers days contents mathematical terms private cryptosystem attack advantage formulating mathematically time secure ciphertext attack plaintext attack chosen plaintext attack mathematical terms brute force attacks guessing attack entropy mathematical terms private cryptosystem private cryptosystem consists encryption system decryption system encryption system collection functions indexed keys mapping plaintexts ciphertexts similarly decryption system collection functions plaintext succesful decryption ciphertext plaintext accomplished index encryption plaintext ciphertext systems encrypt decrypt symmetric cryptoystems attack intuitive terms passive attack cryptosystem method starting information plaintexts ciphertexts unknown figuring information plaintexts state mathematically means functions variables encryption system distribution plaintexts keys attack assuming giving probability algorithm pair inputs output probability computing note probability depends distribution vector attack trivial pointless probability computing range uniformly ciphertexts relation words attack trivial encryptions attack called ciphertext ciphertext advantage formulating mathematically basic cryptology prove cryptosystem secure read part strong cryptosystem property property guarantee cryptosystem strong contrast purpose mathematical cryptology precisely formulate prove statement cryptosystem strong cryptosystem secure passive attacks nontrivial attack system defined slow practical prove statement confidence cryptosystem resist passive cryptanalytic technique reduce statement unsolved problem confidence cryptosystem easy break parts cryptology amenable mathematical definition point explicitly identify assumptions making prove produce desired results figure means cryptosystem properly means assumptions valid methodology cryptanalysis cryptanalyst advantage incorrect assumptions construct proof security system proof fails failures starting points analysis time secure definition time cryptosystem plaintexts ciphertexts keys strings byte strings length exclusive easy prove mathematically nontrivial single ciphertext attacks time assuming uniform distribution keys note assume uniform distribution plaintexts proof attack algorithm taking inputs producing output probability distribution uniform independent distribution uniform independent distribution uniform independent probability fortiori trivial hand time secure plaintext nontrivial multiple ciphertext attacks properly thrown encryption called explains time ciphertext attack notation ciphertext attack constant information ciphertexts attack chance producing information plaintexts attack trivial good chance producing random easily write attack guessing attack simply guesses attack trivial ciphertext fifty fifty chance guessing correctly matter hand attack produces information success random success rate drops nontrivial attack plaintext attack classic plaintext attack depending words ciphertexts decryption plaintext attack produce information decryption note plaintext attacks defined literature producing information pointless cryptanalyst generally cares lets decrypt messages chosen plaintext attack chosen plaintext attack increasingly impractical series active attacks cryptosystem attacks cryptanalyst feeds data encryptor attacks model passive attacks explained chosen plaintext attack lets cryptanalyst choose plaintext ciphertext repeat figured decrypt message absurd examples sort attack chosen attack chosen system attack important form active attack message corruption attack attacker change ciphertext make change plaintext easy ways throw kinks attacks instance automatically encrypting plaintext time sequence number chosen anew message random number hash function comma means concatenation means exclusive mathematical terms brute force attacks plaintext attack plaintexts ciphertexts ciphertext find print works attack succeed valid inputs time produce correct results blue moon random inputs nontrivial attack problem slow keys guessing attack entropy time choosing keys randomly uniformly messages supposed security proof fact prefer keys english words cryptanalyst english words keys attack succeed faster brute force search entire keyspace measure distribution calculating entropy number number real bits information cryptanalyst typically happen guesses defined probability 
cryptography technical miscellany organization crypt cabal lines expires reply crypt comments ncsu nntp posting host thai aktis summary part crypt technical miscellany recovering word perfect passwords breaking vigenerre ciphers encrypting unix files email security unix crypt command encryption compression management letter frequency german enigma code card shuffling piracy updated archive cryptography part modified crypt part technical miscellany eighth parts crypt parts independent read part rest time send missing parts mail notes refer reference list part sections anonymous rtfm usenet news answers cryptography part cryptography posted newsgroups crypt answers news answers days contents recover lost passwords wordperfect break vigenere repeated cipher send encrypted mail unix ripem unix crypt command secure compression encryption unbreakable cipher random cryptography unicity point unicity distance management important pseudo random chaotic numbers stream correct frequency list english letters enigma shuffle cards foil pirates encrypting automatic cryptanalysis simple ciphers coding system recover lost passwords wordperfect wordperfect encryption shown easy break method repeating streams typed password byte wide counter initialized full descriptions bennett bergen caelli chris galas writes awhile back decrypt wordperfect document files solution software company named accessdata east south orem software package decrypt wordperfect lotus quatro excel paradox files cost package steep prices characters char give call free demo disk demo disk decrypt files char break vigenere repeated cipher repeated cipher ciphertext plaintext keykeykeykey called vigenere cipher long plaintext english discover length counting coincidences gaines sinkov displacement ciphertext count bytes equal ciphertext portions bytes equal equal assuming random bytes covering normal ascii text smallest displacement equal length repeated shift text length removes leaves text xored english real information byte streams text xored bits info byte providing plenty redundancy choosing unique decryption fact stream text xored byte short easier treat standard polyalphabetic substitution cryptanalysis texts show break methods hands expert times text gaines sinkov send encrypted mail unix ripem popular method command file compress private uuencode mail jure internet standard works called privacy enhanced mail rfcs join mailing list contact request beta version tested time writing programs public domain encrypting mail ripem newsgroup security security ripem commonly algorithm license patent valid primarily ripem commonly inside rsaref freely shipment programs secret algorithm encrypting body message idea ripem encrypting message able interoperate freely repeated calls understand formats algorithm choices interoperation time unix crypt command secure program called crypt breaker workbench ciphertext attacks files encrypted crypt source ftpcb compression encryption number people proposed perfect compression simple encryption method repeated compress perfectly exact distribution inputs practical purposes impossible describe typical english text coarse characteristics single letter frequencies build sophisticated models inputs enemy slightly accurate model able find redundancy compressed output note practical compression schemes designed cryptography mind produce output starts high redundancy output unix compress begins byte magic number serve entering wedge cryptanalysis compression encryption inherently idea carefully means removes strong encryption compression encryption silly unbreakable cipher time unbreakable part time requires secure distribution material plaintext cryptosystem utterly unbreakable strong resist attacks enemies length time data protects expected remain valid random cryptography cryptographic applications demand pseudorandom number generator applications source bits cryptographically random computationally impossible predict random complete knowledge algorithm hardware generating stream sequence bits lifetime source software generator pseudo random function expanding random seed longer string apparently random bits seed large guessed opponent ideally random generated hardware random number source sparcstation workstations generate random numbers audio input device source entropy connecting audio compress file high entropy random randomness encrypt file part convert seed entropy pseudo random string hardware devices provide entropy important measure entropy assume complicated human random disk operation completion times sound unpredictable people spinning disk clock output completion times entropy unicity point unicity distance unicity distance approximation amount ciphertext real information entropy source text encryption equals number ciphertext bits ciphertexts significantly longer shown unique decipherment back claim validity ciphertext cryptanalysis ciphertexts significantly shorter multiple equally valid decryptions gain security opponent difficulty choosing correct unicity distance statistical information theoretic measures make deterministic predictions probabilistic results minimum amount ciphertext single intelligible plaintext ciphertext keys decryption working cryptologists deal unicity distance directly determine likelihood events interest unicity distance cipher characters fewer ciphertext characters intercepted information distinguish real keys unicity distance characters ciphertext blocks block corresponds ascii characters alarmingly unicity distance indication computational work required find approximately characters intercepted fact actual cryptanalysis seldom proceeds lines discussing unicity distance measures size unicity distance guarantees insecurity small guarantee security high practical cryptosystems absolutely impervious analysis manner characteristics serve entering wedges crack cipher messages similar information theoretic considerations occasionally determine recommended change interval cryptosystem cryptanalysts employ variety statistical information theoretic tests guide analysis promising directions literature application information statistics cryptanalysis remains classified seminal work alan turing insight possibilities management important fundamental axioms cryptography enemy full possession details general cryptographic system lacks specific data employed encryption assume make habit telling mossad cryptosystems mossad finds repeated finite amount redundancy eventually facilitate cryptanalytic progress modern communication systems vast amounts information transferred parties sound cryptosystem material cover traffic management refers distribution authentication handling keys publicly accessible modern management technology secure telephone unit classified employs individual coded crypto ignition keys central management center operated hierarchy ciks authorized cryptographic control personnel validate issuance individual traffic keys perform installation maintenance functions reporting lost ciks give inkling extent management problem public systems related issues trust pseudo random chaotic numbers stream chaotic equations fractals produce apparent randomness compact generators simplest linear congruential sequence popular types random number generators obvious dependence seeds outputs graph sequence high dimension show regular lattice mathematically lattice corresponds structure notoriously easy cryptanalysts exploit complicated generators complicated structure make interesting pictures cryptographically strong sequence computable structure exercise correct frequency list english letters answers question slightly deeper find answer books frequency list computed directly sample english text list correctly computed list depends sample answer question make sense english letters english language fixed finite closed object characterized changed time authors message statistics language answer message characteristics english general reasonable statistical slight discrepancies matter fact entire field called bayesian statistics buzzwords maximum entropy methods maximum likelihood estimation studies questions chance text letter frequencies english robust answers make list samples english text good practical work properly enigma project data security sources information german enigma code broken british wwii shuffle cards card shuffling special case permutation array values random pseudo random function output permutations process equally random function modran produce uniformly distributed random integer interval function shuffle code assuming arrlth length array swap interchanges values addresses arrlth swap modran modran achieved simple ranno ranno interval divisible cases error small cover case ranno modulus call number ranno returns back ranno foil pirates encrypting frequently express desire publish possibly multiple pieces software encrypted separately keys user good limited period time order avoid piracy impossible standard workstation hardware uniquely identifies user keyboard identification encrypted based part sold user part unique identifier case kind defeats intended purpose encrypted mass produced keys encryption produced stage process useable copy data pirate isolate sell illegal copy automatic cryptanalysis simple ciphers schneier bruce schneier accessdata orem utah sells products break password scheme number popular macintosh software packages telephone number software cited papers subject peleg rosenfeld breaking substitution ciphers relaxation algorithm comm lucks michael constraint satisfaction algorithm automated decryption simple substitution ciphers advances cryptology crypto springer lecture notes computer science paper references earlier work subject john carrol steve martin automated cryptanalysis substitution ciphers cryptologia number john carrol lynda robbins automated cryptanalysis polyalphabetic ciphers cryptologia number martin kochanski survey data 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cryptography basic cryptology organization crypt cabal lines expires reply crypt comments ncsu nntp posting host thai aktis summary part crypt basic cryptology definitions basic terms beginner references cryptanalysis theoretical practical strength ciphers updated archive cryptography part modified crypt part basic cryptology parts crypt parts independent read part rest time send missing parts mail notes refer reference list part sections anonymous rtfm usenet news answers cryptography part cryptography posted newsgroups crypt answers news answers days contents cryptology cryptography plaintext ciphertext encryption references start learn cryptology cryptanalysis brute force search cryptographic relevance properties satisfied strong cryptosystem cryptosystem theoretically unbreakable guaranteed analysis proof practice people cryptosystems easy break cryptology cryptography plaintext ciphertext encryption story begins julius caesar messages trusted acquaintances trust messengers 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cryptanalytics series frie clear proficiency cryptanalysis part gained attempted solution systems experience considered valuable cryptanalyses performed wwii allies classified modern public cryptanalysis consist factoring integer taking discrete logarithm traditional fare cryptanalyst computational number theorists successful cryptanalysts public systems brute force search cryptographic relevance nutshell compute find brute force search cryptanalyst found plaintext ciphertext simply encrypting plaintext ciphertext matches decrypting ciphertext match plaintext whichever faster designed cryptosystem large space brute force search impractical advances technology change considered practical years keys computation operations users situation today dramatic decrease cost processor operation massively parallel machines threaten security brute force search scenarios garron outerbridge phase sophisticated cryptanalysis involve brute force search manageably small space possibilities properties satisfied strong cryptosystem security strong system resides secrecy attempt algorithm secret strong cryptosystem large keyspace mentioned unicity distance measure minimum amount ciphertext intercepted uniquely identify unicity distance longer amount ciphertext intend encrypt system strong strong cryptosystem produce ciphertext appears random standard statistical tests strong cryptosystem resist previous attacks system subjected scrutiny suspect system passes tests mentioned necessarily strong weak cryptosystems looked good show cryptosystem strong mathematical proof break system solve difficult problem factoring integers part failing crap shoot cryptosystem theoretically unbreakable guaranteed analysis proof practice cryptanalytic methods include practical cryptanalysis enemy stare ciphertext figures plaintext instance assume cribs stretches probable plaintext crib correct able deduce decipher rest message exploit isologs plaintext enciphered cryptosystems keys obtain solutions cryptanalytic theory chance cryptosystems malfunction misused time loses security chosen plaintext attacks enemy feeds plaintext encryptor deduce employed people cryptosystems easy break amateurs design secure systems aware expert cryptanalyst insufficient motivation invest work needed crack system 
open letter clinton organization uscrpac lines simple convert clipper proposal unexceptionable make voluntary high quality secure classified technology agree escrow david david sternlight great care ensure accuracy information errors omissions excepted 
tapped code good organization netcom line communication services guest newsreader distribution lines brad templeton brad wrote occurs wiretap order escrow houses release code cops code longer secure hands cops time good security good escrow houses effectively means perform wiretap wiretap obligated inform performed replace free clipper chip cellular phone code escrow houses court order reveal makes decipherable past conversations tape disk whatver understand proposal wrong mention session keys escrowed entities noted raises issues fruits bust leading incrimination areas worse current unsecure system worse government clinton clipper argue restrictions unapproved encryption main concern camel nose tent worse ostensible security increased allowing greater access central office records government conversations encrypted object letting government access automatically archiving large fractions main objections proposal force telecom suppliers provide easy access government government access months years encrypted conversations takes misstep violation paperwork needed decrypt kind power block busted regime timothy crypto anarchy encryption digital money tcmay anonymous networks digital pseudonyms knowledge reputations information markets aptos black markets collapse governments higher power public mailsafe 
cryptography etiquette organization crypt cabal lines expires reply crypt comments ncsu nntp posting host thai aktis summary part crypt etiquette related newsgroups topics introduce encryption scheme updated archive cryptography part modified crypt part etiquette parts crypt parts independent read part rest time send missing parts mail notes refer reference list part sections anonymous rtfm usenet news answers cryptography part cryptography posted newsgroups crypt answers news answers days contents groups political discussions belong crypt present encryption scheme crypt groups read news announce newusers news answers weeks make read newsgroup time post amazed question asked newsgroup month sense readers political discussions belong crypt fact newsgroups notably misc legal computing created political questions patented technical discussions crypt readers read misc legal computing comp talk comp patents math comp compression benefit people care topics postings group questions microfilm smuggling cryptographic stuff belong crypt present encryption scheme crypt neat method encryption ciphertext fhdsijoyw strong doubt questions annoying traffic crypt encryption scheme providing ciphertext adequate impressed random gibberish algorithm secure opponent full algorithm including message distributed private secret systematic unsystematic ways long ciphertexts decrypt prior knowledge algorithm time consuming possibly fruitless exercise crypt readers bother encryption scheme find references related methods familiarize literature introductory textbooks cryptosystem fits world large break waste time tens thousands readers question easily answered system secure reassurance experts posting full details system including working code solid theoretical explanation crypt mind export cryptography regulated areas lucky expert interest posted encourage offering cash rewards instance noted cryptographer ralph merkle offering break snefru guarantees experience experts system able find flaw responsibility flaw learn layer complication back round cryptosystem reviewed full discussion procedure scope professionals common rule thumb design cryptosystem experience cryptanalyst 
cryptography product ciphers organization crypt cabal lines expires reply crypt comments ncsu nntp posting host thai aktis summary part crypt product ciphers theory security product ciphers differential cryptanalysis encryption standard role design hardware software availability updated archive cryptography part modified crypt part product ciphers parts crypt parts independent read part rest time send missing parts mail notes refer reference list part sections anonymous rtfm usenet news answers cryptography part cryptography posted newsgroups crypt answers news answers days contents product cipher makes product cipher secure group theoretic properties product ciphers proven security product cipher block ciphers encrypt data longer block size symmetric block ciphers message authentication triple differential cryptanalysis involved design software hardware protect classified information encryption product cipher product cipher block cipher iterates weak operations substitution transposition modular addition multiplication linear transformation block cipher means cipher encrypts block data bytes block notion product ciphers shannon examples modern product ciphers include lucifer networks loki feal khufu khafre called feistel ciphers class product ciphers operate half ciphertext round swap ciphertext halves round lucifer loki feal examples feistel ciphers table compares main parameters product ciphers cipher block length bits number rounds lucifer loki feal makes product cipher secure prove mathematically product cipher completely secure practice begins demonstrating cipher highly random cipher nonlinear produce ciphertext functionally depends plaintext meyer shown rounds required guarantee dependence sense product cipher mixing function combines plaintext ciphertext complex nonlinear fashion fixed round substitutions product cipher referred boxes lucifer boxes boxes nonlinearity product cipher reduces careful design boxes list partial design criteria boxes apply boxes general found brown brickell group theoretic properties product ciphers product cipher maps blocks blocks encryption fixed sending permutation blocks denote permutation permutations called symmetric group written collection permutations ranges keys denoted random mapping plaintexts ciphertexts expect generate large subset coppersmith grossman shown simple product cipher generate alternating group sufficient number rounds alternating group half symmetric group consists permutations permutations written number swaps goldreich able extend results show feistel ciphers generate sufficient number rounds security multiple encipherment depends group theoretic properties cipher multiple encipherment extension single encipherment keys exist encrypting independent keys equal single encryption exists true group question group definition extensively studied sherman kaliski rivest paper give strong evidence hypothesis group fact group proven security product cipher recall permutation produced goal designer ensure appears random element symmetric group element selected randomly indistinguishable observer order distinguish permutations polynomial time time bounded resources observer determine permutations produced optimal decision simply guessing luby rackoff shown class feistel ciphers secure sense round mapping replaced random boolean functions block ciphers encrypt data longer block size standard modes operation numerous standard standard modes operation defined department commerce federal information processing standard fips published question details defined block cipher modes operation block cipher symmetric block ciphers message authentication symmetric cryptosystem block cipher prove generate message prove message altered unaltered generation prove things revealing prove messages authenticated ansi fips standard method message authentication government data encryption standard product cipher operates blocks data defined fips supersedes fips fips federal information processing standards published ntis identical ansi standard data encryption algorithm defined ansi triple triple product cipher operates data blocks forms cipher times forms keys modes operation triple people refer triple method defined chapter ansi standard financial institution management intended encrypting keys automated distribution formal encryption decryption single pair referenced standards documents standard section encrypting keys single pair pairs shoud additional security needed data protected long security life pair encrypted decrypted single term triple carl ellison advocating triple form tran tran compress instance mode tran posted crypt large block transposition program taking data stream encryption program part differential cryptanalysis differential cryptanalysis statistical attack applied iterated mapping mapping based repeated round function method recently popularized biham shamir coppersmith remarked boxes optimized attack years method proved effective product ciphers notably feal differential cryptanalysis based observing large number ciphertexts plaintexts satisfy difference componentwise basic biham shamir attack plaintext pairs required determine substantially fewer pairs required truncated rounds cases actual recovered matter minutes thousand pairs full attack impractical requires plaintexts work biham shamir revealed startling observations algorithm importantly schedule removed recovered steps independent subkeys substantial security boxes extremely sensitive changing single entries tables yields significant improvement differential attack shamir quoted nytimes contrary people evidence tampering basic design weakened involved design kinnucan tuchman member group developed quoted developed algorithm ibmers dictate single wire tuchman meyer developer spent year breaking ciphers finding weaknesses lucifer spent years strengthening lucifer basic approach strong substitution permutation scheduling functions classified notes selection criteria request told inadvertently reinvented deep secrets make algorithms explains tuchman hand document called involvement development unclassified summary united states select committee intelligence printed iee communications magazine states development convinced reduced keysize sufficient indirectly assisted development structures certified final algorithm knowledge free statistical mathematical weakness size reduced insistence article states tamper algorithm parameters sense resolves apparent conflict remarks meyer tuchman presented software people made code part pathnames stig ostholm ftpso ftpbk eric young ftpey dennis furguson ftpdf mark riordan ftpmr phil karn ftppk pascal listing patterson fips algorithm standard implemented hardware software technology software implementations general purpose computers compliance standard software implementations abound government agencies hardware paragraphs quoted messages editors vouch quality existence products chip rosenthal dallas semiconductor makes encryption decryption device standard digital kbps telecom data streams capable processing data real time sample frame phone number talk dewight telecom marketing christian franke franke rwth aachen cryptech mbit data sheet interface started project problems pijnenburg mbit data sheet address pijnenburg boxtelswweg vught netherlands infosys chip germany boxes loaded software modify algorithm data sheet handy mail information marcus ranum supercrypt faster proprietary storage keys stream generator integrated hardware procedure extended mode keys computer elektronik infosys herndon parkway herndon thember hember newbridge microsystems sells compatible chip operates performs round encryption clocks stage pipeline supports operators defined langage electronic code book bits long encryption decryption cipher block chaining bits long encryption decryption cipher feedback bits long notes depends plain cipher text previous operation function performed parallel reception text output feedback bits long notes encryption decryption identical independent function performed advance receipt plain cipher text additional notes modes operation encrypt decrypt feedback modes encrypt decrypt disproves erroneous claim systems feature data confidentiality subject export controls 
cryptography public cryptography organization crypt cabal lines expires reply crypt comments ncsu nntp posting host thai aktis summary part crypt public cryptography basics public cryptography version security speed factoring approaches updated archive cryptography part modified crypt part public cryptography sixth parts crypt parts independent read part rest time send missing parts mail notes refer reference list part sections anonymous rtfm usenet news answers cryptography part cryptography posted newsgroups crypt answers news answers days contents public cryptography secure fast people factor numbers public cryptosystems public cryptography classic cryptosystem encryption functions decryption functions plaintext public cryptosystem easily computed public turn computed published encrypt messages easily computed person generated decrypt messages essence public cryptography published diffie hellman classic cryptosystem friends able send secret messages make sees public cryptosystem publish worry spies beginning public cryptography extensive literature security models public cryptography applications public cryptography applications mathematical technology public cryptography public cryptosystem defined rivest shamir adleman full details small plaintexts positive integers keys quadruples prime number prime number large numbers divisible define easily computed pair easy compute pair generates publish send secret message read messages secure obvious attack factor comments fast state factorization algorithms slightest idea prove factorization realistic problem matter inherently slow easy formalize strong hendrik lenstra exact definitions wishes prove algorithms properties exist theoretical computer science notoriously lacking negative results fast people factor numbers depends size numbers october arjen lenstra bernstein factored primes weeks maspar time maspar processor simd machine processor integers algorithm called number field sieve faster special numbers general numbers takes time case older popular method smaller numbers multiple polynomial quadratic sieve takes time faster number field sieve small slower large breakeven point digits depending implementations factorization fast moving field state years good methods developed keys safe factorization predict future number field sieve found people conjectured quadratic sieve asymptotically fast factoring method public cryptosystems talked easy describe lots public systems faster depend problems widely believed difficult introduction learn facets public cryptography consult books journal articles listed part 
cryptography digital signatures organization crypt cabal lines expires reply crypt comments ncsu nntp posting host thai aktis summary part crypt digital signatures hash functions theory hash functions distinctions terms snefru updated archive cryptography part modified crypt part digital signatures hash functions seventh parts crypt parts independent read part rest time send missing parts mail notes refer reference list part sections anonymous rtfm usenet news answers cryptography part cryptography posted newsgroups crypt answers news answers days contents hash function difference public private secret shared snefru hash function typical hash function takes variable length message produces fixed length hash hash computationally impossible find message hash fact determine usable information message hash single hash functions computationally impossible determine messages produce hash hash function private public encryption function application public hash function snefru public signature systems slow sign long message longer user wait solution compute hash message sign hash short verify signature thing hash function message digest function difference public private secret shared horrendous mishmash terminology literature small concepts algorithm depends published call private algorithm call public algorithm encryption functions decryption functions message hashing functions verification functions public cryptosystem public encryption private decryption checksums application mentioned previous question public hashing public verification digital signature functions private hashing public verification person produce hash message verify hash correct algorithm depends private meant unusable real difference shared private shared published private encrypt data friend eyes suddenly shared encryption private encryption message digest functions developed rivest definitions part code ftpmd note transcription error found original draft corrected algorithm called people refer snefru snefru family message digest functions developed ralph merkle snefru round function newest family definitions merkle paper code ftpsf 
cryptography miscellany organization crypt cabal lines expires reply crypt comments ncsu nntp posting host thai aktis summary part crypt miscellany national security agency export restrictions tempest electromagnetic interference monitoring beale ciphers hoax american cryptographic association public patents updated archive cryptography part modified crypt part miscellany ninth parts crypt parts independent read part rest time send missing parts mail notes refer reference list part sections anonymous rtfm usenet news answers cryptography part cryptography posted newsgroups crypt answers news answers days contents national security agency export regulations tempest beale ciphers hoax american cryptogram association touch patented voynich manuscript national security agency official security body government charter president truman late continued research cryptology till present largest employer mathematicians world largest purchaser computer hardware world governments general prime employers cryptologists possesses cryptographic expertise years ahead public state undoubtedly break systems practice reasons national security information classified bamford book bamfd history people operations quote massey highlights difference public private research cryptography cryptology prerogative government accepts cryptologic research conducted closed doors doubt number workers engaged today secret research cryptology exceeds engaged open research cryptology years fact widespread open research cryptology continue conflicts research communities open research common quest knowledge depends vitality open exchange ideas conference presentations publications scholarly journals government agency charged responsibilities breaking ciphers nations countenance publication cipher break researcher good conscience publish cipher undermine effectiveness government code breakers argue publication provably secure cipher force governments behave stimson gentlemen aware open research cryptography fraught political ethical considerations severity scientific fields conflicts occurred government agencies open researchers cryptology conflicts aware mild export regulations nutshell government agencies control export encryption software bureau export administration department commerce authorized export administration regulations office defense trade controls state department authorized international traffic arms regulations itar rule thumb works cocom stringent requirements takes orders refuse transfer jurisdiction newsgroup misc legal computing carries interesting discussions laws surrounding cryptographic export people laws complex issues scope technical groups crypt make consult lawyer thrown jail lucky lawyer lawyer heard itar tempest tempest standard electromagnetic shielding computer equipment created response discovery information read computer radiation distance effort needless encryption good cleartext beale ciphers hoax gillogly information john king corrections story pamphlet ward thomas jefferson beale party adventurers accumulated huge mass treasure buried bedford county virginia leaving ciphers innkeeper ciphers describe location contents intended beneficiaries treasure ward decryption cipher contents called encrypted book cipher initial letters declaration independence unsolved documents aficionados join group attempts solve means splitting treasure beale cypher association beaver falls ciphers puzzles faql including line send index message netlib directions apparently versions cipher floating correct version based pamphlet john king story hoax kruh long list problems story gillogly decrypted found unexpected strings including abfdefghiijklmmnohpp hammer president beale cypher association agrees string chance feels explanation gwyn crypt expert unimpressed string american cryptogram association touch organization devoted cryptography emphasis cryptanalysis systems attacked pencil paper computers organ cryptogram includes articles challenge ciphers cipher types english languages simple substitution playfair vigenere bifid bazeries grille homophonic cryptarithm dues year issues north america students seniors subscriptions treasurer west hickory mundelein patented patent number filed granted discussion patent granted algorithm patents general related legal moral issues comp patents misc legal computing information league programming freedom ftppf note original purposes comp patents collect questions patented flooded crypt technical newsgroups forum voynich manuscript nelson nelson minar mailing list subject address write subscribe mailing list archive rand voynich sorts information manuscript good bibliography found site kahn codebreakers good introduction 
keys clipper organization systems division fairfax lines brad brad templeton writes identify phone company phone company complies court orders magic number chip sign warrant present warrant escrow house makes forget destroy copies decided criminal today curious brad templeton clarinet communications corp sunnyvale views expressed employer steven johnson johnson federal systems park drive phone fairfax virginia views expressed employer steven johnson johnson 
source random bits unix workstation lines nntp posting host sandstorm application encrypt real time clock secret solve problem type password secret logged work create solution installed effortless start solution xhost control access religeous problems storing secret keys multiuser computers good discussion cryptographically good random number generators check draft ietf security randomness internet draft local friendly internet drafts repository pointer good reading idea unrelated sources strong mixing function missed source suggested hardware unguessable intruder unix fresh booted buffers related network traffic solution basically strategy requiring reach kernel source randomness output cryptographic hash function large amount random data running slow random source random bits bound bits entropy tens hundreds megabytes data modern workstation memory fair amount system timers buffers heard solution sounded good heard folks experiencing times seconds configured workstations delay login process approach etherfind compress skip takes writing solutions launches simultaneously suck bits sitting idle compression finishes guaranteed good bits deterministic upper bound login time common case login couple extra seconds bennett 
word password generator organization department computer science university york england lines word password generator program produce nonsense word pronouncible lisgollan wanted force users adopt secure passwords memorable george bolt email george york 
tapped code good distribution organization clarinet communications corp lines article tcmay timothy writes court order reveal makes decipherable past conversations tape disk whatver understand proposal wrong mention session keys escrowed entities true theory practice technology cellular phones spread spectrum difficult record crypttext frequency path depends understand made effectively impossible record hits land record telco access telco supposed give warrant rule today evidence admissible judge ordered interception crypttext warrant illegal cops record today plain cellular calls judge permission listen tapes worse government clinton clipper argue restrictions unapproved encryption main concern camel nose tent major concern system care cautious left catch smart crooks john gotti retarded realize wiretapped glibly chatted tapped phone murder plans jail hard true scheme succeed laws forbidding people fight harder dropping called digital telephony proposal rumours meaning complex crypttext telco systems requires work brad templeton clarinet communications corp sunnyvale 
tapped code good organization systems division fairfax distribution lines tcmay timothy writes brad templeton brad wrote occurs wiretap order escrow houses release code cops code longer secure hands cops time good security good escrow houses effectively means perform wiretap wiretap obligated inform performed replace free clipper chip cellular phone code escrow houses court order reveal makes decipherable past conversations tape disk whatver understand proposal wrong mention session keys escrowed entities noted raises issues fruits bust leading incrimination areas worse current unsecure system worse government clinton clipper argue restrictions unapproved encryption main concern camel nose tent worse ostensible security increased allowing greater access central office records government conversations encrypted object letting government access automatically archiving large fractions main objections proposal force telecom suppliers provide easy access government government access months years encrypted conversations takes misstep violation paperwork needed decrypt kind power block busted regime remark heard beginning increasingly frightening significance comment made parts world democrats note socialists note small democrat wonders thomas jefferson anniversary birth thought state affairs government governed views expressed employer steven johnson johnson federal systems park drive phone fairfax virginia views expressed employer steven johnson johnson 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization mary ellen carter salvage crew distribution reply jhesse message keywords bubba watching nntp posting host rainier lines article jhesse john hesse writes stupid believed democrats stood principles personal privacy neanderthal republicans wanted aspect lives clinton clever control privacy technology small step time remember defend firearms defeat dukakis bush election support control democrats version defend free speech reject republicans speech control wait minute hmm feel white house step fact final step fear bless america grreat dobbs pull wool eyes pray peace bill bill stewart bell labs holmdel jersey work cyberspace white house commect line 
clipper crap organization francisco state university lines encryption dual edge sword encryption helps protect privacy individuals industry shield criminals terrorists clipper chip random passing thought cite documented encryption technology criminals terrorists excluding iran contra gang shaun hughes sphughes sfsu finger public 
white house wiretap chip disinformation sheet organization ministry truth reply clipper ncsl nist message keywords bubba watching nntp posting host rainier lines fascinating content white house announcements threatens sincere smile face nice friendly word management fact sheet public encryption management thing giving stronger encryption government developed microcircuit privacy encryption substantially robust current government standard permits escrowing keys needed unlock encryption system escrowing keys government gain access encrypted information legal authorization strong government break major effect make easier government break makes difficult break escrowed keys brute force search similarly making encryption commercially encryption commercially including forms able break triple idea phone companies offer based systems convinced government make money thing making encryption legal encryption legal president change amendment decree making decision intend prevent private sector developing government approving microcircuits algorithms equally effective assuring privacy secure escrow system means making encryption illegal keys business buys thing congress money lots wiretapping budget crisis congress debate policy issues give cash attorney general procure utilize encryption devices extent needed preserve government ability conduct lawful electronic surveillance fulfill secure enforcement communications attorney general utilize funds department justice asset forfeiture super surplus fund effect purchase means money congress control lots wiretapping equipment detect approved crypto preserve government ability conduct surveillance means pray peace bill bill stewart bell labs holmdel jersey work cyberspace white house commect line 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx article clarinet organization clarinet communications corp lines interestingly designing escrow unusual technology sealed boxes paper destructive read memory typical computer databases database hundreds millions keys greatest danger escrow database disk chance complete copy leak design lots protection corruption complete copy storing paper hard copy make sense medium copied slow access times leaves destructive trail read hard backup consequences backup data warrant worse consequences secret backup audit trail reveals data access erased humans involved brad templeton clarinet communications corp sunnyvale 
clinton boost spending article qualcom rdippold organization qualcomm diego lines originator rdippold qualcomm nntp posting host qualcom qualcomm heels clinton registered encryption debacle sphughes sfsu shaun hughes writes yesterdays chronicle president clinton asked congress authority spend money agencies satellites intelligence activities fiscal allotted congressional administration officials clinton promised slash intelligence spending billion years size nations vast intelligence budget remains official secret administration congressional officials disclosed yesterday total billion increase requested clinton approved extra money coming encryption schemes easily crack theorem theorem 
white house wiretap chip disinformation sheet keywords bubba watching article qualcom rdippold organization qualcomm diego lines originator rdippold qualcomm nntp posting host qualcom qualcomm bill stewart writes fascinating content white house announcements threatens sincere smile face nice friendly word management computer government friend nice penalty refuse praise seek praise 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx article qualcom rdippold organization qualcomm diego lines originator rdippold qualcomm nntp posting host qualcom qualcomm jhesse john hesse writes great wonderful news listen feds keys escrow company database plenty updating secure primary secondary sources police warrant surprised neglected erase turned nail nourish waif pick eyes 
detect illegal cipher organization clarinet communications corp lines article marcus ranum writes traffic traffic normal desiring listen bother trust crypto classified internals important stuff nice naive fact millions people today sending highly confidential information unencoded easy receive cellular phones figure chances heard small risk people understand crypto crypt newbies clinton tells good crypto send important stuff thankful longer clear voice cellular phones tiny fraction people crypto worse eyes government swears algorithim spook level secure reason possibly extra level avoid police attract attention lawbreaker honour suspect suddenly started level cryptography phone calls hide sign warrant search house brad templeton clarinet communications corp sunnyvale 
white house public encryption management fact sheet organization elec univ natal durban africa lines distribution inet nntp posting host lucy article clipper ncsl nist clipper chip announcement writes distribution topic interest wider audience making decision intend prevent private sector developing government approving microcircuits algorithms equally effective assuring privacy secure escrow system making decision intend prevent private sector developing government approval microcircuits algorithms effective assuring privacy alan barrett dept electronic univ natal durban south africa barrett 
tapped code good distribution organization university maryland college park lines nntp posting host sayshell article tcmay timothy writes worse current unsecure system worse government clinton clipper argue restrictions unapproved encryption main concern camel nose tent excuse happened couple humps tent folks qualcomm trivial encryption scheme proposed cdma digitial cellular phone standard restrictions place louis mamakos 
amendment passwords organization private computer totowa lines article mitre ptrei mitre peter trei writes judge grant immunity learned keyphrase confess deliberately evading copyright file encoded keyphrase illegal scans copyrighted peanuts strips judge legal mechanism crossposting misc legal court bypass double jeopardy amendment lapd trial judge state judge federal judge retries justification trail kenneth reply njit elaborate simulation running device sitting table picard 
registration idea organization bell laboratories lines article rlglende robert lewis glendenning writes chided stating dorthy denning intellectually dishonest debate newsgroup previously refrained suggesting arguing behalf consulting clients clear dorthy denning functioning lobbyist computer scientist legal ethics truth convince scientific ethics truth understanding external world revoke membership suggest refrain insults produce evidence back claim measures proposed passed year scanner proposal attempt technical solution fact notion splitting debate softened proposal 
source random bits unix workstation organization columbia university department computer science lines article bennett todd salomon brothers writes heard solution sounded good heard folks experiencing times seconds configured workstations delay login process approach etherfind compress skip takes writing solutions launches simultaneously suck bits sitting idle compression finishes guaranteed good bits deterministic upper bound login time common case login couple extra seconds seconds hash core source information acceptable part login process network traffic source pseudo random information thing pass cryptographic hash function compressor fact faster give results cryptographic hash function distills randomness lines etherfind count null trick timestamps lack makes lines opposed takes couple seconds lightly loaded ethernet bennett 
keys clipper lines organization curtin university technology article johnson steve johnson writes brad brad templeton writes identify phone company phone company complies court orders magic number chip sign warrant present warrant escrow house lets hope years telecom tech refused line warrant managment type told fired appeal dismissal lost makes forget destroy copies decided criminal today curious good luck paul 
lines organization curtin university technology distribution inet article zrepachol curtin paul repacholi writes bothered reading video manufacturing consent reply mail queries video asked month told asked chomskys books answer irritations manafacturing conscent parts detering democracy bits domestic world chilling good noam bibliography paul 
white house public encryption management fact sheet nntp posting host logic clarkson organization clarkson university distribution lines question digital communications encryption fact sheet mentioned encryption decryption microcircuitry special keys enforcement wire tapping purposes wanted develop encryption partner crime unique encryption decryption devices installed tappable circumvent keys system replace interested knowing microcircuits made prevent befuddlement laymans language technical mail news pete deuelpm camp clarkson deuelpm camp clarkson regret rough sheet sleep herman brooks 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow organization organization lines nntp posting host dorothy ibmpcug keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx article strnlght david sternlight writes argue nose camel worth noting government proposal limited scrambled telephony purpose extend electronic mail file encryption improvement current mass produced standard civilian technology exceptions limited easy break inverters reading lines david strong hints angling nren conceivable meaning applying technology computer network intend exclusion means encryption lulled wedge thin graham 
tapped code good organization steering committee distribution lines brad police reveal charges laid ways positive step judges time limits warrants assume relevant federal authorizing judge notify targets days period extensions expires normal practice wiretap complete clause subsection reads parte showing opposition involve notice targets good judge competent jurisdiction serving inventory required subsection order dates interception postponed emphasis added followups directed select groups moral choose sort parents start rough george mark eckenwiler cmcl panix 
keys clipper organization systems research center lines article brad brad templeton writes actual algorithm classified main thrust cellular phones encryption radio encrypting radio link make sense means telco decryption keys secure 
tapped code good organization department mathematical sciences lines distribution nntp posting host moink nmsu article tcmay timothy writes worse current unsecure system worse government clinton clipper argue restrictions unapproved encryption main concern camel nose tent pick kind domino theory country falls neighbor surely follow mining salt siberia turning captain crunch secret decoder rings surely hypothesis relying wild assumptions face lads fort asked cook pretty secure escrowed neatly government plans sell thing reasons state evil effort abuse system news evil decide persecute hate fact listen phone calls triple parabolic microphone point head pretty effort government typical governments mismanaged full holes compromises typical government worse interpretation andrew block busted regime melodramatic 
powerful similarity organization capriccioso newsreader version lines unix tool cryptographic significance anonymous agrep fast approximate pattern matching tool source code project arizona directory agrep agrep fast fuzzy search tool tremendous number powerful search options applicable cryptography selection able similarity matches data make password phrase qimwe rightly suspect dictionary word list close entry varied crack program brute force search agrep find argument errors matches good agrep qimwe bigwordandphraselist finds pattern qimwe close pattern imsel part host cryptographic error level corresponds simple transposition letters minimally acceptable password pass level order immediately ruled remote possibility good password real cryptographic personal passphrases clear level large word phrase lists searching words human typed data lots typos tool unexcelled find people gibson book neuromancer huge lover archives error distance specification small find people title necromancer common typos miss program patterns parallel boyer moore sublinear speeds great wannabe terrorists names special tagalog religious words news mail spool directories search ciphertext random byte combinations eliminate texts score square birthday hits message size crypto terrorist foil changing pattern problem agrep find national security agency nsecag agency national scrabble association fixed areas license plate letters correct agrep licenseplatedatabase find plates starting errors addition substitution deletion number area weight relative cost substiutions additions deletion errors searching patterns protein combination kinds damage nucelotide drop errors adjust bias setting deletion cost count errors steganographic agrep eograp find correct spelling intentionally introduce errors type magnitude plaintext recover orginal agrep pipe lots possibilities outlaws ciphertext agrep powerful extraction options makes easy abstract hits form agrep passphrase zimmerman output entire mail record delimited passphrase zimmerman agrep measured order magnitude faster similarity tool publicly usual glad mail source docs reqest mail anonymous powerful stay hands grady ward vendor proud grady 
organization netcom online communications services login guest distribution lines mentioned platform site executables source nice review fixed changed mearle finger public 
organization simon fraser university burnaby canada distribution inet lines zrepachol curtin paul repacholi writes article zrepachol curtin paul repacholi writes bothered reading video manufacturing consent reply mail queries video asked month told national film board canada gthomas 
clipper thoughts organization bell laboratories lines desparately prefer rehash arguments infinitum time true crypt matter created privacy clipper traffic appearing groups focus technical aspects plan followup crypt frankly absolutist feelings turn issues simply splitting pieces acceptable schemes means repository overly pliable eavesdropper recover bits point newsgroup pretty easy exhaustive search slightly complex scheme random number complement produce subkeys variant resistant attack sophisticated protect subkeys thoughts people noted size complexity databases strings phones emit back door double encrypted escrow repositories public keys matter session keys back door case bring intercept repositories decrypted answer objections lines make stop combine variant digital telephony back door switch digitally signed record time phone number call proof escrow agents compliance terms warrant suggest variations suppose clipper chip public pairs times keying material idea event enforce time limits usage limits warrant keys repository agents deliver long suspect cryptographic algorithm secure obvious push weak algorithm back door government genuinely concerned foreign espionage aimed commercial targets scheme lets spooks cake heard rumors years factions unhappy good crack expensive easily keeping details secret build implementations back door cryptographic protocol matter valid reasons keeping secret hope shown ways things 
work text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization computer science dept indiana university distribution lines announcement disconcerting evil bodes badly future open algorithms standards information security start panicking stuff prohibited anxious doubt long posts explaining small part ranging long lived handguncontrolinc clinton conspiracy subvert freedom democracy mathematics feeling administration worried things ripem group wider computer geeks fact suggests things working long time happened ready release world time working long time able bush administration plan find sympathy unescrowed cryptography administration felt escrowed secret algorithm trivially breakable cryptography made widely clipper ncsl nist clipper chip announcement technology companies protect proprietary information protect privacy personal phone conversations prevent unauthorized release data transmitted electronically time technology preserves ability federal state local enforcement agencies intercept lawfully phone conversations criminals majority discussion involving clipper chip pertain encryption telephone conversations means chip designed work primarily analog signals language sort suggests hard main thing chip implements symmetric asymmetric cryptographic techniques guessing symmetric clear symmetric link level encryption identical chip negotiate session symmetric cryptography trusted party session asymmetric patents claim cover methods asymmetric cryptography royalties hiding infringement real reason keeping algorithm secret marc vanheyningen mvanheyn indiana mime ripem accepted kirk hurt alien kirk 
tapped code good nntp posting host spot colorado organization university colorado boulder distribution lines change login passwords couple months suck sparc station everytime wanted expect routinely change password phone government contractor mind system cheaply change keys inherent security advantages algorithms involved cuffel finger admitted assassination saddam hussien goals failed motorcade downtown dallas trick works 
detect illegal cipher nntp posting host vccnw organization rensselaer polytechnic institute troy lines article betel bradley robert crawford writes fenton writes government encryption method able decode traffic order accuse unauthorized strong encryption technique keys escrow ciphertext draw blank thinking system transmits clear serial number device start serial number warrant apparently encryption find prefix assume authorized encryption scheme limited details released clipper chip system employ sort public cryptography management problems inherent symetric ciphers make system unworkable sort public exchange takes place start call identify private data base means developed public algorythm feds decided subsidize rsadsi exciting posibility keeping algorythm secret making chip implimentations widely avalibe exceptionally hard feds forced make avalible order gain public acceptance break stranglehold public crypto impressions scheme strong crypto contention algorythm secret protect security registration suggests inherent weakness algorythm dont constructing black market devices dont keys registered notice session talk releasing keys people proper autiorization carefully dance stating keys simply supeonaed open posibility obtaining keys court order tapping phone line requires pick implicit threat eithe accept strong crypto outright dont trust plan plan oppose legal ways bill smythe 
tapped code good organization intercon systems corporation herndon lines distribution world reply amanda amanda walker nntp posting host chaos intercon newsreader intercon connect tcmay timothy writes worse current unsecure system worse government clinton clipper argue restrictions unapproved encryption main concern camel nose tent agree danger system political issue technical amanda walker intercon systems corporation 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow organization intercon systems corporation herndon lines distribution world reply amanda amanda walker nntp posting host chaos intercon keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx newsreader intercon connect gtoal ibmpcug graham toal writes reading lines david strong hints angling nren honestly conceivable meaning applying technology computer network intend exclusion means encryption disagree reason standards place restrict encryption nren cares internet commercial nren geovernment university research read proposals data superhighway cray users internet amanda walker intercon systems corporation 
clipper chip proposal keywords encryption privacy individual rights legalities brother organization totally unorganized lines article posted local newsgroup followup traffic relating groups groups subscribe posting read check comment provide ideas handling sorts things verification accuracy lack accuracy article accurate find extremely disturbing light abuses number privacy understand required renew drivers license register proposals smart national identity cards wiretap proposals simply wonders gems wings ready sprung people government suggestions ideas preventing proposals acquiring force cost simply outweighs benefits reading makes ideas prof denning promoting disturbing form comment article begin included article note file anonymous file transfer csrc ncsl nist directory nistnews nist computer security white house office press secretary release april statement press secretary president today announced initiative bring federal government industry voluntary program improve security privacy telephone communications meeting legitimate enforcement initiative involve creation products accelerate development advanced secure telecommunications networks wireless communications links long dialogue private sector enforcement community resolve tension economic vitality real challenges protecting americans technology accommodate competing interests economic growth privacy enforcement previous policies pitted government industry rights privacy enforcement sophisticated encryption technology years protect electronic funds transfer protect electronic mail computer files encryption technology americans protect business secrets unauthorized release personal information terrorists drug dealers criminals state microcircuit called clipper chip developed government engineers chip represents approach encryption technology inexpensive encryption devices attached ordinary telephone scrambles telephone communications encryption algorithm powerful commercial today technology companies protect proprietary information protect privacy personal phone conversations prevent unauthorized release data transmitted electronically time technology preserves ability federal state local enforcement agencies intercept lawfully phone conversations criminals escrow system established ensure clipper chip protect privacy abiding americans device chip unique keys numbers needed authorized government agencies decode messages encoded device device manufactured keys deposited separately escrow data bases established attorney general access keys limited government officials legal authorization conduct wiretap clipper chip technology enforcement authorities access content private conversations americans demonstrate effectiveness technology attorney general purchase thousand devices addition respected experts government offered access confidential details algorithm assess capabilities publicly report findings chip important step addressing problem encryption dual edge sword encryption helps protect privacy individuals industry shield criminals terrorists clipper chip approaches provide abiding citizens access encryption prevent criminals hide illegal activities order assess technology trends explore approaches escrow system president directed government agencies develop comprehensive policy encryption accommodates privacy citizens including employ voice data encryption business purposes ability authorized officials access telephone calls data proper court legal order protect citizens effective timely modern technology build national information infrastructure needed promote economic growth competitiveness american industry global marketplace companies manufacture export high technology products president directed early frequent consultations affected industries congress groups advocate privacy rights individuals policy options developed administration committed working private sector spur development national information infrastructure telecommunications computer technologies give americans unprecedented access information infrastructure high speed networks information superhighways transmit video images hdtv programming huge data files easily today telephone system transmits voice encryption technology play increasingly important role infrastructure federal government quickly develop consistent comprehensive policies administration committed policies protect americans privacy protecting break information provided accompanying fact sheet provisions president directive acquire encryption technology additional details call heyman national institute standards technology questions answers clinton administration telecommunications initiative approach expand authority government agencies listen phone conversations clipper chip technology enforcement authorities access content private conversations americans suppose enforcement agency conducting wiretap drug smuggling ring intercepts conversation encrypted device decipher message obtain legal authorization court order wiretap place present documentation authorization entities responsible safeguarding keys obtain keys device drug smugglers split parts stored separately order ensure security escrow system escrow data banks escrow data banks independent entities point department justice administration determine agencies oversee escrow data banks strong security device strong security system secure voice encryption systems readily today algorithm remain classified protect security escrow system invite independent panel cryptography experts evaluate algorithm assure potential users unrecognized vulnerabilities decision propose product national security council justice department commerce department agencies involved decision approach endorsed president vice president cabinet officials consulted congress industry discussions congress industry encryption issues expect discussions intensify carry review encryption policy briefed members congress industry leaders decisions related initiative government provide hardware manufacturers government designed developed access encryption microcircuits providing microcircuits product manufacturers product manufacturers acquire microcircuits chip manufacturer produces clipper chip mykotronx programs facility torrance california sell chip encryption device manufacturers programming function licensed vendors future encryption devices expect manufacturers incorporating clipper chip devices administration unable find technological solution proposed administration legal remedies restrict access powerful encryption devices fundamental policy question considered broad policy review escrow mechanism provide americans encryption product secure convenient expensive readily today piece comprehensive approach encryption technology administration developing administration encryption threatens public safety effective enforcement prohibit outright countries effectively american matter entitled unbreakable commercial encryption product false tension created assessment issue proposition concerns fact harmoniously balanced reasoned balanced approach proposed clipper chip similar encryption techniques decision clinton administration policy encryption differ bush administration understand importance encryption technology telecommunications computing committed working industry public interest groups find innovative ways protect americans privacy businesses compete ensure enforcement agencies tools fight crime terrorism devices exportable devices government hardware voice encryption devices subject export control requirements case case review export required ensure devices true encryption devices attractions technology protection give companies operating home abroad mind expect export licenses granted case case basis companies seeking devices secure communications abroad plan review possibility permitting wider exportability products included article uucp prejudice myrto seattle fails uunet pilchuck rwing wisdom things 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secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow organization bell laboratories keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx lines article gtoal ibmpcug graham toal writes reading lines david strong hints angling nren conceivable meaning applying technology computer network intend exclusion means encryption differ phrase conceivable meaning sdns protocols make explicit provision multiple encryption systems love mandate system disclosing mind multiple algorithms relevant technologies provide casts doubt choice words 
fight clipper chip subvert replace organization netcom online communication services guest distribution lines clipper chip response fact business professional body position establish standard provide chipsets implement analog digial transmission systems position active cooperation couple manufacturers cellular phones desktop phones large companies voice data comm business contracts pressure professionals crypto organizations collective minds interests establishing crypto standard transmission companies implement avoid government control happen default strong foolish prevent strong crypt strong foolish push clipper chip independt spearhead gladly royalties purchasing secure phones provide algorithm implemented publish push make defacto standard ripem opposing charging bunker nimble clever strong clever glendenning rlglende perspective worth points niels bohr 
trinomial based prng organization school mathematical sciences university bath lines mail peter boucher posted question mail bounced apologies thsoe interested trinomials form read bremner trinomials type math scand ljunggren irreducibility trinomials quadrinomials math scand tverberg irreducibility trinomials math scand tverberg cubic factors trinomials math scand james davenport bath 
clipper crap organization university illinois dept comp urbana lines encryption dual edge sword encryption helps protect privacy individuals industry shield criminals terrorists clipper chip necessity plea infringement human freedom argument tyrants creed slaves william pitt carl kadie represent organization kadie uiuc 
fight clipper chip subvert replace organization netcom line communication services guest newsreader distribution lines robert lewis glendenning rlglende wrote clipper chip response fact business professional body position establish standard provide chipsets implement analog digial transmission systems position active cooperation couple manufacturers cellular phones desktop phones independt spearhead gladly royalties purchasing secure phones hear hear completely agree work quickly establish alternatives government clinton clipper brad templeton noted clipper ensconced phones enormous pressure make legal standard market standard confusion proposal clipper mandated escrow alternatives allowed unclear issues hard illegal make workalikes meet standard generate phony untappable keys weeks issues thrashed groups interested hear data security reaction criticized group licensing policies usual complaints mailsafe costing general issue software patents find allying thing mere licensing liberty stake wanted true security paid lifetime patents expire period make tons money happy small price sounds actual terms spread years small price strong crypto means strong privacy escrowing keys sending copies keys large databases splitting keys pieces secret analyzable protocols algorithms strong crypto abstract principles patenting number theory applications minor issue pales comparison potential dangers clipper proposal note potential learn coming months algorithms public analyzed attacked years source code ensure deliberate weakenesses trapdoors number groups putting voice encryption systems shelf hardware soundblaster boards celp type software generations fast pentiums fast real time voice encryption combined diffie hellman exchange provide alternative clipper system administration proposes outlaw competing systems goal tapping terrorists child pornographers hilary bashers thwarted cost alternatives clipper proliferated defend child pornographers terrorists limiting basic freedoms catch criminals american things soapbox mode suggest groups differences macpgp fully legal copy mailsafe work quickly listening reserve retract opinions turn data security involved clipper proposal timothy crypto anarchy encryption digital money tcmay anonymous networks digital pseudonyms knowledge reputations information markets aptos black markets collapse governments higher power public mailsafe 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow organization clarinet communications corp keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx lines presumes system work blank clips manufactured mykotronx vlsi number produced carefully audited shipped escrow house programs chips half prints paper slip half secret chip serial number reams paper filed locked boxes vault fuse burnt chip unreadable chip escrow house thing continues escrow houses chip cellular phone maker public system impossible handle paid patent general concept public encryption implementation brad templeton clarinet communications corp sunnyvale 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx organization netcom online communication services guest lines article amanda amanda walker writes jhesse john hesse writes great wonderful news listen feds status worried feds tapping phone high school scanner surfers kicks eavesdropping cellular cordless phone calls worried high school kids kicks scanners compared feds targets status good technology implemented back door open state power corruption abuse amanda walker intercon systems corporation john hesse jhesse plan moss beach calif canal 
patents summary patent article alice organization bell laboratories murray hill lines article matt yale matt healy writes bontchev informatik hamburg vesselin bontchev wrote ahaley andrew haley writes coca cola pepsi cola teach surely patent examples discuss make sense case cola reeds 
tapped code good distribution organization boston university boston lines article amolitor andrew molitor writes article tcmay timothy writes worse current unsecure system worse government clinton clipper argue restrictions unapproved encryption main concern camel nose tent pick kind domino theory country falls neighbor surely follow mining salt siberia turning captain crunch secret decoder rings agree private sector entity crypto system partially compromised escrows instance private sector entity crypto system properly evaluated algorythm publically released answer obvious wouldn hardware compromised triple suspicion prices drop dramatically clipper systems trouble clinton administration stupid failed realize initiative fail crippled moves work coercion politics realize step move makes sense move banning severly crippling crypto clipper system easily justified encryption subvert government provided secure alternative jail fined reconcile administrations proclaimed purpose providing enforcement access encrypted data making clipper system crypto simply administration wanted govt hair drug dealing clipper systems sell crafty clinton types short stupid banning clipper crypto answer administrations collective potato jumped fast face stuff hell jump interpretation andrew block busted regime melodramatic letter clinton white house office press secretary presidential comment line april madam object strongly administrations evolving position encryption cryptography shocked clinton regimes increasing lean authoritarian approach regard privacy freedom government oversight life apparent drafted clipper chip proposal incidentally gaining notoriety brother proposal incredibly ignorant knowledgeable nuances cryptographic development research understand step development algorithm destined standardization full disclosure algorithm private academic sectors proper evaluation algorithm ends careful scrutiny sectors scrutiny provide true public confidence security algorithm assumption algorithm accepted based assurances experts full disclosure plain ignorance addition assumption algorithm marketable technology characterized escrow lunacy easy step logic chain probable consumers prefer purchase equipment crippled government escrow matter tamper proof escrows educated policy maker failed realize flaws assume drafters clipper chip proposal knew difficulties selling crippled system private sector proposal makes sense chance succeeding coercion language proposal makes painfully clear logical step outlawing encryption devices hardware lize brother chip public large educated issue realize losing expect brother proposal encounter resistance american people efficiently duped pretty words harmony encryption voluntary mortifies phrase characterize clinton administration happening startling question colleague mine posed realization everyday relevant reichstag fire planned concerned signature shaen logan bernhardt public keys finger request public archives sovereignty sign brutal past cryptography crime fight brother proposal 
detect illegal cipher organization harvey mudd college claremont lines article brad brad templeton writes honour suspect suddenly started level cryptography phone calls hide sign warrant search house make access decent crypto place clippered voice clippered triple desed voice copy criminal encryption cover clipper avoid prohibit strong encryption detect illegal cypher transmitting clear statistical properties plaintext fashioned wiretap detect encryption drastically increase measured entropy input countermeasure steganographic techniques voice built feature blow mike observe band thugs ceiling finger mail ebrandt claremont 
work text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization california institute technology pasadena lines distribution nntp posting host alumni caltech marc vanheyningen writes main thing chip implements symmetric asymmetric cryptographic techniques speculate people suggested chips public cryptography possibility diffie hellman exchange algorithm similar effect ends agree session symmetric cryptography encryption back door keys work system possibilities algorithm property session deduced eavesdropper back door keys possibly communicants random numbers seeded back door possibility suggested earlier chips simply broadcast session encrypted chip internal secret system back door keys secret keys usable decrypting session broadcast chip secret public usage identical secret back door proposal straightforward possibility encryption algorithm message dual property possession keys decrypt session exchange back door chip worth noting proposals dorothy denning raised amazingly prescient line discussion november december variation diffie hellman party participate deriving session keys clipper works hints early knowledge clipper thinking synchronized clipper designers diffie hellman minds finney 
battle joined organization harvey mudd college claremont lines article karn qualcomm phil karn writes dorothy denning wrong headed ideas administration sooner feared long odds clinton pull plan bodily orifices working years denning prominent people happened start arguing system suggestion involved guess wrong apologize finger mail ebrandt claremont 
source announcement organization massachusetts institute technology lines distribution world nntp posting host oliver message nist clipper chip address clipper ncsl nist clipper chip announcement asked asked computer telnet csrc ncsl nist connected csrc ncsl nist escape character sendmail nist ready expn clipper quit closing connection connection closed interesting dorothy denning mitch kapor marc rotenberg rivest bidzos government cpsr represented suppose organizations care comment white house idea cruel joke peoples inboxes marc marc horowitz 
remote file system security organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host ugcs caltech light recent paranoia government proposals love unix based encryption scheme files encrypted host machine files home directory system compromised eavesdropping modem line require modifications shell program telling file encrypted things love potential security holes system system exist made easy readily good thing realize involve putting nice front readily secure encryption scheme brad 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow face upie bouyx miety lxop golyunevymj kgjmp organization paratheo anametamystikhood eris esoteric lines brad brad templeton public system impossible handle paid patent general concept public encryption implementation thought diffie hellman exponential session exchange equivalent diffie hellman patent hellman merkle public systems claims equivalents basic point stands interestingly quote bidzos showed media real announcement sounded pissed realized struck gold admit general scheme clipper poskanzer object serves function image rene magritte 
tapped code good nntp posting host lonestar utsa organization university texas antonio distribution lines article amolitor andrew molitor writes article tcmay timothy writes block busted regime melodramatic weeks registered concern programming conducted student organisation university texas antonio result interrogated capus police attempted create positive identification file photo fingerprints refused permit filed complaint university administration vice president business affairs boss campus police stated interest legal constitutional implications actions greatest threat facing citizens united states decade united states government levels federal state local opinions mine reserve deny time 
amendment passwords nntp posting host bistromath mitre organization mitre corporation lines article uucp kenneth writes article judge grant immunity learned keyphrase confess deliberately evading copyright file encoded keyphrase illegal scans copyrighted peanuts strips judge legal mechanism crossposting misc legal court bypass double jeopardy amendment lapd trial judge state judge federal judge retries justification trail lapd officers state california charges police brutality federal government depriving civil rights crime scenario outline similar oliver north trial ollie confessed treason aiding enemy senate hearings immunity team prosecute criminal charges sequester reports immunized testimony lawyer brought probability team heard senate testimony strong factor prosecution reasons walking free today peter trei ptrei 
source announcement organization massachusetts institute technology lines distribution world nntp posting host bill reply marc message telnet csrc ncsl nist connected csrc ncsl nist escape character sendmail nist ready expn clipper quit closing connection connection closed note telnet csmes ncsl nist connected csmes ncsl nist escape character csmes ncsl nist sendmail nist dougm ready expn mgrsplus irene gilbert dennis branstad robert rosenthal gene troy dennis steinauer telnet mail ncsl nist connected mail ncsl nist escape character mail ncsl nist sendmail ready expn csspab bill colvin john kuyers eddie zeitler cris castro telnet ncsl nist connected ncsl nist escape character ncsl nist sendmail ready expn smid miles smid expn katzke stuart katzke quit ncsl nist closing connection connection closed foreign host telnet ncsl nist connected ncsl nist escape character ncsl nist multinet smtp service ready expn burrows burrows james expn mcnulty mcnulty lynn quit ncsl nist multinet smtp service complete whois internic national institute standards technology nist gaithersburg domain administrative contact wack john wack nist technical contact zone contact hunt craig hunt nist record updated domain servers listed order dove nist ames nasa internic registration services host internet information networks domains whois server milnet information 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx nntp posting host magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article brad brad templeton writes greatest danger escrow database disk chance complete copy leak hard backup consequences backup data warrant worse consequences secret backup data warrant effectively secure crypto secret backups effectively crypto poster essentialy arguing crypto secure crypto data warrant government normal enforcement techniques catch crooks bugging normal enforcement technique privacy clipper normal technique information farming addr phone finger ohio state university jebright ohio state ebright mail 
source announcement organization massachvsetts institvte technology lines distribution world nntp posting host frumious bandersnatch note whois internic trusted information systems washington road route glenwood domain administrative contact walker stephen walker technical contact zone contact dalva david dave record updated domain servers listed order dockmaster infamous address seth finkelstein sethf road hell paved good intentions 
detect illegal cipher organization northeastern university boston lines article ebrandt claremont brandt writes detect illegal cypher transmitting clear statistical properties plaintext fashioned wiretap detect encryption drastically increase measured entropy input countermeasure steganographic techniques voice detect encryption defeated transformation spectrum encrypted signal adding arranged beginning communication function encrypted signal thinking public finger mkagalen northeastern 
tapped code good organization uscrpac distribution lines article shaen bernhardt writes agree private sector entity crypto system partially compromised escrows instance private sector entity crypto system properly evaluated algorythm publically released answer obvious wouldn hardware compromised triple opinion asserted truth flames background years senior corporate staff executive fortune companies happy crypto system supplied business told secure resistant attempts japanese french competitive companies governments break happy escrowed keys provided happy bona fides escrow agencies federal reserve satisfy accounting firms trust president stated trap doors happier committee independent experts examined thing seal secrecy reported back secure trust long trust swiss japanese surprising suggest corporations feel pick corporations attitude part government support government famous perspective point view david sternlight great care ensure accuracy information errors omissions excepted 
announcement reply tuinstra clarkson organization microsystems lines nntp posting host sunspot clarkson tuinstra consulted congress industry discussions congress industry encryption issues expect discussions intensify carry review encryption policy briefed members congress industry leaders decisions related initiative congress playing politics talk cpsr academia public internet users heard design democracy state district chip manufacturers administration unable find technological solution proposed administration legal remedies restrict access powerful encryption devices fundamental policy question considered broad policy review wonderfulness escrow system administration encryption threatens public safety effective enforcement prohibit outright countries effectively provide easily compromised version public american matter entitled unbreakable commercial encryption product cryptographic rights amendment false tension created assessment issue proposition concerns fact harmoniously balanced reasoned balanced approach proposed clipper chip similar encryption techniques nice lullaby soothed article stanford stanford andrew richard conway writes work government sell overseas easy interests decode make perfect tool industrial military espionage lulling stupid false sense security notice mention safety americans repeat appears story pretty convincing justice department stole case tracking system modified distributed friendly police suchlike agencies world canadian mounties doubt swore scout honor backdoors kind intelligence swamped terabytes commercial traffic dwight tuinstra tuinstra clarkson tolerable tuinstrd camp clarkson homo sapiens planetary cancer news 
battle joined originator rdippold qualcomm nntp posting host qualcom qualcomm organization qualcomm diego lines article karn qualcomm phil karn writes dorothy denning wrong headed ideas administration sooner feared administration government working dennings prime pump speak judas goat paid gullible matter idea promoting denning siezed opportunity administration spend money espionage bush effect order totally obvious lose drug free proud ribbon days catch neighborhood smoking 
battle joined nntp posting host bistromath mitre organization mitre corporation lines article ebrandt claremont brandt writes article karn qualcomm phil karn writes dorothy denning wrong headed ideas administration sooner feared long odds clinton pull plan bodily orifices working years heard rumors similar government proposal risks digest peter trei ptrei 
clipper chip reply mckinnon organization canada remote systems distribution lines lurked math unknown found interesting thought post article found saturday april toronto star clipper chip protect privacy washington reuter president bill clinton announced yesterday plan plant clipper chip government telephone computer line prevent eavesdropping eventually chips developed government national institute standards technology commercial private electronics communication users white house assure privacy device encryption devices assigned unique keys numbers needed government agencies decode messages attorney general assigned task arranging keys deposited escrow data bases access limited government officials legal authorization conduct wiretap white house statement mckinnon canada remote systems toronto ontario 
source announcement organization netcom line communication services guest newsreader lines marc horowitz marc wrote message nist clipper chip address clipper ncsl nist clipper chip announcement asked asked computer telnet csrc ncsl nist list elided brevity interesting dorothy denning mitch kapor marc rotenberg rivest bidzos government cpsr represented suppose organizations care comment white house idea cruel joke peoples inboxes person list heard clipper friday morning newspaper fired letter protest nist point suspect list interesting reasons represent cabal proposal mailing list people crypto related announcements nist timothy crypto anarchy encryption digital money tcmay anonymous networks digital pseudonyms knowledge reputations information markets aptos black markets collapse governments higher power public mailsafe 
security clipper organization amdahl corp sunnyvale lines nntp posting host sepia amdahl discussions clipper security irrelevant choose chosen foundry security universe users good security vlsi technologies trivial effort ciphertext agains keys manufactured talking million keys manufactured depositories secure incorruptible cares convince shipping docks impenetrable remember chips ship dealer submit authorities eventually happier governments including full lists keys manufactured miss opinions wurman email organization amdahl corp landing parkway freemont phone office attn zeev wurman 
registration idea organization massachusetts institute technology lines nntp posting host hodge reply digex message begin signed message article digex peter wayner writes system vulnerable simple phone swapping attacks criminals quickly figure town depends phone sends serial number clear interval listener swapping phones problem line belongs watch line case deeper wxld understood major problem people trust escrow stuff fact algorithms classified looked closer derek request server public keys begin signature version iqbuagubk ebxdh zbsgrxaqhzcalcalvwtnvi ayswf nsybtwqi jqlgpkx qjgc buqrzatmqutkovnvx ezfm uundrwd cowbb jtlrqu sgnqqg fgrj signature derek atkins electrical engineering computer science secretary student information processing board sipb media laboratory speech research group warlord asel 
mime organization personal usenet site tujunga lines distribution world article msen edward vielmetti writes newell washington wrote global multimedia mail solution definition minimum service level mime provide internet invest software people content suggest attractive mime formatted news messages sufficient people thinking adding mime support news readers content worth imho long unix specific muas newsreaders reach service levels commercial platforms definition consisting object data types rules handling included transport specification document long windows muas newsreaders ready handle sheer volume news mail unix specific tools able cope choice feechurs make damn thing fast flood fast wins usual makes good point time friend mine mail composed openwindows mailtool handles mime attachments mailtool manually save paste uudecode actual attachment inconsiderable amount time spent audio file original message mail headers uuencoded data resulting audio message single sentence transcribed character message sentence plain text mail bytes seconds process minute complete waste time bandwidth concerned sending plain text efficient method transmission transport mechanism shudder happen started posting usenet articles audio files plain text meltdown predicted film eleven back mono thread longer administrative policy redirected followups back comp mail mime greg greg earle phone internet earle tujunga uucp isolar earle nasa elroy isolar earle 
source feal encrytion algorithm organization technical university graz austria lines nntp posting host fstgds graz newsreader version interested source feal encryption algorithm source find documentation feal advance ciao hermann email 
fight clipper chip subvert replace distribution lines clipper chip culmination dorthy denning lets ignore moment fundamental question government stop encryption ignoring moment question patented processes public keys government stop encryption process answer freedom country time guns lawyers depending damage assuming encrypt things cares clipper chip concerned phone line insecure period care encrypt ways sunday encrypting trust attitude worrying clipper chip simply connect handset computer feed voice single process encrypt transmit phone hand reverse work standard expects government protect freedoms kidding protect freedoms final thought addressed support implementation form encryption encryption revealed specific actions planning support stop proposal support proposal alternatives offer jester proof windows virus widespread eats disk space slows computer takes control computer performs disk access random times displays silly messages screen randomly crashes computer vesselin 
proposal police point view reply tuinstra clarkson organization microsystems lines nntp posting host sunspot clarkson start proposal police agency idea suppose state police suspect phone warrant days unlike days federal agencies give parts tiff escrow houses posession release keys political bargaining chit state lower level police agencies watch boys play politics potentially good leads disappear lives property lost statutes limitations mention moderately clever person suspects police buying phones faster requests processed stolen turing police arrest transmitting dialing license bureacracy security problems escrow house requests disclosure authenticated safeguards kind bureaucrats activists feel comfortable long time request approved disclosed encrypted clipper type chip transmission bureaucracy size federal government databank size data traffic projected volume weak links kinds problems open public expert scrutiny feds leery handing completed keys state police agencies trust security issue acute issue state police mishandled resulting lawsuits financial settlements political embarassment feds implement federal agency keys performs turns results state police cuomo causing problems clinton urban areas proposal turf state cops justice department case keys political chit extra player game tapes bargaining chit state police lose understand legal wiretaps expensive maintain scenario pays bill dwight tuinstra tuinstra clarkson tolerable tuinstrd camp clarkson homo sapiens planetary cancer news 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization computer science monash university australia newsreader version lines andrew richard conway stanford wrote work government sell overseas easy interests decode make perfect tool industrial military espionage lulling stupid false sense security notice mention safety americans forget country russians apple security concerns bena monash 
fight clipper chip subvert replace organization massachusetts institute technology lines distribution nntp posting host achates article ygoland seas ucla jester writes ignoring moment question patented processes public keys government stop encryption process precedent areas government encryption technology imposed federal matter suspicision unlicensed cryptographic tool bring batf tossing grenades house batf appears logical agency enforce regulations federal control alocohol tobacco firearms similary based taxes sale receiever receive bands supposed private desire prevent harmful interference government make radio receiver illegal makes claim control encryption john carr 
battle joined originator gtoal demon nntp posting host pizzabox demon reply graham toal organization cuddlehogs anonymous lines article ebrandt claremont brandt writes article karn qualcomm phil karn writes dorothy denning wrong headed ideas administration sooner feared long odds clinton pull plan bodily orifices working years denning prominent people happened start arguing system suggestion involved guess wrong apologize dorothy denning honest person simply question involvement careful phrase jesuitical evasion true wholly misleading answer country experts answering questions instance british journalist jonathon moyle killed south america couple years parliament asked employee turns paid employee equally agent abroad private business interviewed debriefed length return 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization express access online communications greenbelt lines distribution nntp posting host access digex dead giveaway repeated protestations plan aimed criminals drug dealers terrorists tactic obvious trot decade sarah rest brady bunch destroy amendment evidently control nuts feel serve time export american companies concerned plan saddle industry hidden sabotaged algorithm invented cabal japanese lobbyists 
tapped code good article rwing distribution organization totally unorganized lines article brad brad templeton writes article tcmay timothy writes court order reveal makes decipherable past conversations tape disk whatver understand proposal wrong mention session keys escrowed entities true theory practice technology cellular phones spread spectrum difficult record crypttext frequency path depends understand made effectively impossible record expert cryptography science basic things evident things clinton clipper address pertain opportunites abuse conclusions based membership group notable persons agree government theory ends happening fact make abuse impossible question authority remember power corrupt regard idea sense expanded include data forms data transfer stored data treated expanded expansion impossible stop clipper precident hint proposal remember bear articulate words briefly hits land record telco access telco supposed give warrant rule today suggested hint proposal similar proposals considered forms encryptions data transfer data files largely dependent thing accepted flies wise treat manner expanded areas cellular phones guaranteed happen proposal salami politics areas government easily give idea able eavesedrop court order required proven flimsy guarantee case warrants sieze material force give jail forever periodically renewed contempt charges denying justice system information ability lock guilty refuses divulge means access info protected forced perform acts result divulging incriminating evidence blocking restrictions private encryption preventing legitimate enforcement make illegitimate enforcement bunch difficult fishing expeditions target knowlege give safe negotiable clinton quietly developed thing figuring consulted roughly insiders quietely impliment schemes ensure exclusive nice document reassure government earned kind trust past future secure free government honest make abuse impossible difficult evidence admissible judge ordered interception crypttext warrant illegal cops record today plain cellular calls judge permission listen tapes information gained keys saved case finished means master backdoor easily broken algorithm find evidence judge authorize common manner abuse wiretaps past local cops workable honest feds workaround government scheme listen scanning keywords easily defeated realtime master thing sounds eliminate fashioned police work build case past eavesdropping easy court order enforcement community spoiled resist require revert fashioned detective work find surprising coming bunch cares civil individual rights puts people question people innards revealed exist master keyword scan conversations routinely monitor specific court order remember cellular phone limitiation temporary heard police telling people tapped incriminating found simply keeping keys file time awhile collection folks deem disruptive reduce search space scheme remember nixon years court orders slowed escrow accounts government controlled chance ending treasury justice worth bucks folks keys competitor clinton clipper descendent idea expanded government encryption bucks keys innards algorithm important concern past government behavior problems worse government clinton clipper argue restrictions unapproved encryption main concern camel nose tent major concern system care cautious left catch smart crooks john gotti retarded realize wiretapped glibly chatted tapped phone murder plans jail hard true expanded data storage encryption clipper accepted agenda hinted proposal read carefully expect argumet hide fine argument object video cameras installed room home granted exteme expansion idea principle holds private stuff remain private govt fishing expedition laws rules change future safeguards government safeguards pretty meaningless work hard give treasured rights establish precidents price hell scheme succeed laws forbidding people fight harder dropping called digital telephony proposal rumours meaning complex crypttext telco systems requires work people fight laws forbidding years crisis situation addressed drastic action added reasonable restriction bother someting hide clinton clipper good make algrithm public people exchange ideas examine isolated respected experts respected professor likes banks selected experts expand ideas person advocating recall experts examine clipper chip secret clipper crippled version master provision features present version subjected study evaluation experts chooses expertes government conflict interest requirement decent encryption scheme effectiveness reduced algrorithm widely lead assume side recall ideas presented group rejected requirement exists algorithm secret question safe clipper thing government security real secure good common folk full description statement good means strong good means excuse countries restrictions acceptable countries bill rights constitution people governments countries regard envy rights revokable privileges expect retain rights protections gutted gotta thing fight crime allready bill rights pretty torn shreds permit weakining noble repair damage crime problem number rights safeguards signifigant broken court system poor police work signifigant rights disregarding addressing root crime suggest attack clinton ballistic reagardless proposed thing step gradual erosion rights constitution bill rights couple decades stop series runs protections constitution stop good time late allready brad templeton clarinet communications corp sunnyvale uucp prejudice myrto seattle fails uunet pilchuck rwing wisdom things infinite universe human stupidity albert einstien 
tapped code good reply donaldson organization escom corp oakton distribution lines amolitor andrew molitor writes evil effort abuse system news evil decide persecute richard nixon kind send people watergate issue real issue justify individuals private encryption methods unrelated question term clipper neat intergraph 
source random bits unix workstation organization michigan state university lines nntp posting host scss newsreader version bennett todd salomon brothers wrote missed source suggested hardware unguessable intruder unix fresh booted buffers related network traffic solution basically strategy requiring reach kernel sources statistics filesystems easily quickly obtained output rusage system call exec finger favorite heavily systems seconds source code ripem ripem mark 
open letter clinton organization chinet public access unix lines article strnlght david sternlight writes simple convert clipper proposal unexceptionable make voluntary high quality secure classified technology agree escrow long means encryption sold bruce 
keywords firewall gateway model kerberos organization simon fraser university burnaby canada lines writing paper computer protocols security insight topics relate security multilevel security network semd references books faqs contact persons names internet addresses topics interested firewall gateway model implemented internet gateways kerberos authentication service send private mail eldar post board danny 
tapped code good distribution nntp posting host beethoven colostate organization colorado state university computer science department lines article amolitor andrew molitor writes article tcmay timothy writes worse current unsecure system worse government clinton clipper argue restrictions unapproved encryption main concern camel nose tent pick kind domino theory country falls neighbor surely follow mining salt siberia turning captain crunch secret decoder rings surely hypothesis relying wild assumptions face lads fort asked cook pretty secure escrowed neatly government plans sell thing reasons state evil effort abuse system news evil decide persecute hate fact listen phone calls triple parabolic microphone point head mail break encryption call tempest trucks read electromagnetic emmisions computer terminal note measures protect tempest surveillance classified pretty effort government typical governments mismanaged full holes compromises typical government worse interpretation andrew block busted regime melodramatic regime fruition make protect amendment rights asserting amendment rights doug holland 
tapped code good organization celestial software mercer island distribution lines brad brad templeton writes occurs wiretap order escrow houses release code cops code longer secure good point hands cops time good security good escrow houses expect cops honest underpaid risks face media dumps time blames sorts discrimination brutality expect human lots cases police abuses ranging protection scams outright robbery worked breakin local radio shack alarm company heard cops responding call audio pickup store effectively means perform wiretap wiretap obligated inform performed replace free clipper chip cellular phone code escrow houses brother listening police reveal charges laid ways positive step judges time limits warrants assume time limit renew replace chip scheme agree completely makes easier government encroach rights individuals founders country spent effort limiting power government governments rights include bedroom imho things today designed preserve government organism expense individuals reread early heinlein books parallels thought police spell waco texas heinlein crazy years bill internet bill bill campbell celestial software uucp thebes camco bill east mercer uunet camco bill mercer island speed costs money fast 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow nntp posting host beethoven colostate organization colorado state university computer science department keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx lines article strnlght david sternlight writes argue nose camel worth noting government proposal limited scrambled telephony purpose extend electronic mail file encryption improvement current mass produced standard civilian technology exceptions limited easy break inverters note issue feds continued ability wiretap deep long discusions secure crypto mail files focus question asked release proposal limited telephony government intends expand share concerns expressed find proposal threatening americans secure telephony jerk pair clip leads goat eavesdrop plug security hole cellular cordless phones reading lines infer system highly secure access keys meet businesses confronted rich powerful adversaries including french japanese security services rich japanese companies make stuff protecting enforcement legitimate corporations trust delighted high security system certified price depositing keys escrow difficulty creating reliable escrow corporations entrust secrets attorneys week system worked pretty point view fair starting point concerns addressed including reliability escrows return access high security crypto suggested systems breakable similarly skilled endowed good possibility checked proposed system breakable trapdoors government keys pursuant legitimate court order protect legitimate communications economic adversaries able eavesdrop crooks pursuant court order trust richard nixon crypto keys wouldn doug holland 
clipper chip technical details organization bell laboratories lines received notes martin hellman details clipper work posted permission implications details fascinating date martin hellman long list recipients subject clipper chip announcement friday times nist national institute standards technology announcing clipper chip crypto device messges asked technical details laboring understandable misunderstandings lack details news articles friendly link surprised friday call agency supplied missing details told info public dennis branstad nist double check facts assume aware wrong clipper chip secret crypto algorithm embedded silicon chip secret keys chips system wide unit specific nist call call system unit message designed extremely difficult reverse system secret clear algorithm secret opinion stated purpose unit generated random numbers escrow authorities escrow authorities decided attorney general stressed enforcement agencies parties acceptable users system unbiased enforcement agency court order present escrow authorities receive allowing access unit addition system user choose change desired call plain message encrypted encrypted unit serial number unit added produce part message encrypted system producing serial number court order obtains enforcement agency decrypt information flowing suspected link guess constantly links court order impossible links message flow agency access serial number message check serial number unit watch list court order decrypt obtain decrypt obtain process assessing scheme kind endorsement proposed scheme assess scheme knowledgably court order worries feel comfortable necessarily comfortable separate court orders needed escrow authority explanation needed story adds color researching ideas silvio micali kicking spoke gerald gunther constitutional expert stanford related story edward levi pres ford attorney general watergate visited agent wiretap authorizations levy asked details review cases required agent told predecessors turned blank signed forms time levi comply changed system lesson clear single person authority power authorize wiretaps worse divulging personal keys edward levi john mitchell martin hellman date martin hellman subject clipper chip fine post previous message crypt post message recipients sparse requesting info comments specific questions posting apologize messages unable respond spend time answering mail overloaded week responsibilities note correction dorothy denning person talked phone understanding mine point transmitted info serial number message double encrypted system family told called encrypts serial number serial number encrypted unit major difference thought mentioned bringing attention makes sense cuts encryption computation overhead 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow reply amanda message reply pmetzger organization lehman brothers lines article amanda amanda walker writes amanda amanda walker jhesse john hesse writes great wonderful news listen feds status worried feds tapping phone high school scanner surfers kicks eavesdropping cellular cordless phone calls political dissident scared shitless feds listening calls opinions sort disappeared slightly free society sort society years friends phones tapped theoretical status cryptophone companies cylink today work addition number groups working building software turn privacy enhanced phone working overdrive mode crypto restrictions lifted incrememental improvement applications crypto restrictions point maintain perry metzger pmetzger laissez faire laissez passer monde meme 
tapped code good reply louie message reply pmetzger organization lehman brothers distribution lines article louie louis mamakos writes article tcmay timothy writes worse current unsecure system worse government clinton clipper argue restrictions unapproved encryption main concern camel nose tent excuse happened couple humps tent folks qualcomm trivial encryption scheme proposed cdma digitial cellular phone standard restrictions place slightly wrong dumped encryption system export produce legal restraints citizen strong cryptography perry metzger pmetzger laissez faire laissez passer monde meme 
hysterical reply amolitor message reply pmetzger organization lehman brothers distribution lines article amolitor andrew molitor writes article tcmay timothy writes worse current unsecure system worse government clinton clipper argue restrictions unapproved encryption main concern camel nose tent pick kind domino theory john gilmore pointed repeatedly produce infrastructure permit police state function required suddenly find living change attitude part government constitution built risk lives ensure freedom country designed system make difficult tyranny arise instance reasons fourth amendment make harder government make smuggling crime jest john hancock made money smuggling drug government everyones keys escrow wiretap leaving office scheme coup world hours country oppose tyrants monitored closely tools place tyranny stand tools place tyrannical dictatorship successfully imposed give government tools enslave trust bill clinton trust government arise make leap faith block busted regime melodramatic political dissident acutely aware political dissidents world world killed beliefs call amnesty international time find dissidents world seperates places thin piece parchment national archives constantly eroded farces drugs coups happened countries stable democracies hundred years governments history fallen government lasted hundred years replaced dictatorships intensely happen life lives children loved construct tools tyranny enforced make orders magnitude happen happened tools place stick naive fools leadership protect hundreds failed thriving democracies skillfull bill clinton fallen dictatorship rome thriving republic exquisitely skilled tyranny unwilling trust happen hubris immune happened perry metzger pmetzger laissez faire laissez passer monde meme 
source announcement organization massachusetts institute technology lines nntp posting host oliver reply tcmay message article tcmay timothy writes person list heard clipper friday morning newspaper fired letter protest nist point suspect list interesting reasons represent cabal proposal received mail mitch kapor list added applies list guess initial theory clipper list idea joke guess happy conspiracy marc marc horowitz 
tapped code good organization uscrpac distribution lines article holland colostate douglas craig holland writes note measures protect tempest surveillance classified inaccurate tempest equipment commercially macs david david sternlight great care ensure accuracy information errors omissions excepted 
clipper chip technical details organization lines short summary bellovin hellman global chip user choose session phone call makes chip keys user government apparently message encrypted system possibly work plugs ciphertext receiving chip receiving chip receiving chip information work computed system cryptographically useless escrow bullshit message decrypted 
tapped code good steiner utoledo jason steiner distribution nntp posting host jupiter utoledo newsreader version lines douglas craig holland holland colostate writes mail break encryption call tempest trucks read electromagnetic emmisions computer terminal note measures protect tempest surveillance classified displays vulnerable tempest regime fruition make protect amendment rights asserting amendment rights jason stood yelled excuse wrong country plastic explosives cure steve taylor blew clinic real good steiner utoledo 
tapped code good organization department mathematical sciences lines distribution nntp posting host moink nmsu donaldson writes amolitor andrew molitor writes evil effort abuse system news evil decide persecute richard nixon kind send people watergate appears generic calling anti christ hell destroy remark imagine executive branch extract keys escrow houses knowing telling dick bits data hell trot telco unauthorised decrypting break watergate install people break neat record noise executive branch phone decryption goodness wait washington post hold decrypt noise stare hell worth bloody hassle truth granted lots covert power part executive branch system difficult pots gear fact easier hypothetical system place phones rational concerns raised chopped half arrangement egregious technical error built plan step strict regulation strong encryption issue real issue justify individuals private encryption methods suspect government wanted make regs hundred people usenet yelling slow machine mysterious rights instant guard congress gang buffoons balance checkbooks make laws ditto white house bill clinton bathroom place andrew 
open letter clinton organization boston university boston lines article schneier bruce schneier writes article strnlght david sternlight writes simple convert clipper proposal unexceptionable make voluntary high quality secure classified technology agree escrow long means encryption sold bruce high quality secure classified technology means handing whomever billing voluntary bend wiretap chip based units easier redefine write distributing honest trash compromised algorithm disclosed making stuff public means handing foreign powers interested process export control stopped software wise carefully high quality secure classified technology hand drive holes dark public keys finger request public archives sovereignty sign brutal past cryptography crime fight brother proposal 
hearing views clipper organization francisco state university distribution lines browser group time concerned clipper chip proposal hoping knowledge influential people write protesting obvious step hinted proposal heads committees major flaws plan cryptological standpoint shaun hughes facts stupid things sphughes sfsu ronald reagan republican national finger public convention 
tapped code good lines reply hallam desy organization deutsches elektronen synchrotron experiment zeus hera distribution article whughes utsa william hughes writes article amolitor andrew molitor writes article tcmay timothy writes block busted regime melodramatic weeks registered concern programming conducted student organisation university texas antonio result interrogated capus police attempted create positive identification file photo fingerprints refused permit filed complaint university administration vice president business affairs boss campus police stated interest legal constitutional implications actions article johnson steve johnson writes remark heard beginning increasingly frightening significance comment made parts world democrats note socialists begin accepting government bothered political opinions wing establishment types circumstances interested political views recruit spooks guaranteed give government line counts history socialists persecuted people start asserting mechanism administration chip adopted legal force lets thinking place clipper chip existed years defense project party matter george bush case adverse tapping calls chief spook remember govt easily apply pressure simply chums give huge defense contracts motorola nice boys bill giving nice trade monopoly chips avaliable foreign firms thirdly people democrats socialist socialists communist people education system suffer mcarthyite dewy version political correctness sort tribunals show trials meese pissed socialism communism thing brought house laughter minutes realised phill hallam baker phill hallam baker 
brother clipper chip summary thoughts brother clipper chip keywords clipper nntp posting host organization earth lectronic link sausalito lines issues mind considers enforcement aspects brother clipper chip drug dealers terrorists caught type encryption york times reported government investigators broke narcotics ring operating highly sophisticated equipment capable allowing leaders ring eavesdrop enforcement agents arrest deely official medium sized countries proud signals intelligence operation group john gotti people sophistication risks unsecure communications press brother chip increase numbers benefit enforcement brother weighed constitutional civil liberties questions involved areas world torture investigative tool local enforcement people suspect effective means obtaining information shortening investigations helps conviction rate high fact torture tool country court order obtained showing probable rightly balanced questions expediency ethically morally question expediency versus morality play brother vote morality disturbed interpret veiled threat prohibit encryption brother chip wide spread quick reading white house press release impression american public word hacker rightly wrongly high tech adolescent vandal struck people posting crypt issue intelligent thoughtful individuals genuine concerns privacy constitutional issues surrounding brother hope brother mandatory encryption illegal hate kind high tech volstead high speed digital communications revolution coming speed times changing learning business past years evaluate approach correctly questioned cryptographic strength brother send stronger message constitutional issues involved gore dorothy elizabeth robling denning quoi cela vous concerne cheri 
clipper chip exchange methods nntp posting host mizzou missouri organization university missouri lines wanting question bernstein asked clipper chip exchange keys public bits long public schemes secure size diffie hellman gamal constant real scheme exchange verify public keys send encrypted randomly generated session encrypt decrypt voice trafic sort fast stream cipher elaborate show missing john kelsey missouri 
security clipper organization cold media lines zeev amdahl wurman writes governments including full lists keys manufactured encrypted cripple chip encryption encryption algorithm great secret unbreakable make feel secure robert clark rclark brother chip 
clipper chip work organization iowa state university ames lines talk clipper chip developed question work decrypted party receiving phone call mail code undo method calling party party decrypt assume storing secure data retrieval fundamental question experience cryptosystems give explanation remember experience sort thing appreciated justin york jyork 
tapped code good nntp posting host damon northeastern organization college northeastern distribution lines article holland colostate douglas craig holland writes mail break encryption call tempest trucks read electromagnetic emmisions computer terminal note measures protect tempest surveillance classified classified remember authorized govt illegal tempest shield equipment effective tempest shielding difficult rogue rogue agent funding research cryptography areas advanced mathematics circular describing research opportunities pick phone call mother 
fighting clipper initiative summary ways fight organization climate global dynamics division ncar boulder lines ideas oppose white house clipper chip crypto initiative tough measure fight government invested resources developing high profile initiative easy defeating senate bill actions response mobilize friends things list work press talk local newspaper science technology reporter write favorite trade rags write articles favorite magazines newspapers explain clipper chip initiative idea remember tailor audience general public slow grasp idea technical arcane innocent sounding flaming libertarian paranoid extremist lobby congress write letters make phone calls member congress district senators members congress aides advise technology issues talk aides involve local political parties libertarian party interested libertarian wings democrat republican parties privacy surprisingly broad appeal spanning parts political spectrum natural allies aclu activist groups someday find facing government suppress efficiently trends play articulate arguments draw people familiar issues contribute money electronic frontier foundation computer professionals social responsibility cpsr assuming groups fight initiative money legal expenses lobbying mobilize opposition industry companies develop products incorporate clipper chip lobbied work telecommunications equipment vendor enlist coworkers fellow engineers initiative present company management united front engineering talent initiative write persuasive memos management colleagues names hold meetings publicize deploy entrench guerrilla techno monkeywrenching apparatus means anonymous mail forwarding systems based servers widespread availability kind technology argument effectively suppressed government action working develop tools purposes prepared engage impending public policy debate topic tough fight compromise outright defeat live modified version clipper chip plan prepared analyze government plan articulate modified philip zimmermann 
clipper stay classified article leela qstqs distribution world organization dept oregon state university corvallis oregon lines nntp posting host atlantis csos orst millions things algorythm possibly stay secret clever hackers grind thing layer layer worked brian mcbee mcbeeb orst finger 
clipper algorithm secret organization lines cryptographic protocol matter valid reasons keeping secret hope shown ways things occurred algorithm secret published build physically identical clone versions chip interoperate official clipper chips cloner provide keys escrow houses hmmn technical hack missed chips made unprogrammed serialized shipped escrow houses programmed halves keys requires secret keys escrow houses installed clone versions interoperate complicated crypto john levine iecc cambridge johnl cambridge spdcc world iecc johnl time money steal today 
tapped code good distribution organization organization lines article hallam desy writes views recruit spooks guaranteed give government line counts history socialists persecuted russia capitalists persecuted trading goods black market capitalist minded types imprisoned killed things selling drugs guns pornography victimless activities matter socialist capitalist power control central government citizens trusted affairs government watch good strong cryptography citizens start hide things sell drugs guns pornography allowed trials meese pissed socialism communism thing brought house laughter minutes realised surprising believes hands government private life social financial business difference socialism communism difference murder lethal injection chainsaw centralized economy potential abuses accumulation information individuals credit companies democratic socialist society vote absolute privacy citizens 
clipper chip technical details organization computer science dept indiana university lines berkeley bernstein short summary bellovin hellman global chip user choose session phone call makes chip keys user government apparently message encrypted system possibly work plugs ciphertext receiving chip receiving chip receiving chip information work computed system cryptographically useless escrow bullshit message decrypted description algorithm plausible explantion find agreed bandwidth advance parties standard shared symmetric marc vanheyningen mvanheyn indiana mime ripem accepted security diversion theory states public availability good computer games vital maintaining system safety contrast security obscurity 
clipper sayers sound organization department mathematical sciences lines distribution nntp posting host moink nmsu originator amolitor nmsu archive insert comments liberally demonic memo brotherdom white house announcement screw thread standards announce american national standards institute authority define standard dimensions screw threads step outlawing screw thread specifications madness fought tooth nail step crime screw threads fearless leaders graciously define purpose permit industry draw standard pool specifications designations ensure interoperability threaded objects vendors rubbish ansi standard screw threads subtle weaknesses allowing agents disassemble automobiles easily causing mufflers fall inoppurtune moments questions answers ansi screw thread standards screw threads defined ansi good screw thread designs trust able screw threads desire make threaded objects interoperate correctly industry step clear band write congressman pretty good screw threads devil inspired ansi trash protect constitutional screw thread desire guerilla screw thread activism order boycott build screws screw thread associates screw bill clinton totalitarianist thugs amolitor finger pgst personal screw thread pitch screw threads screw thread servers freed 
white house wiretap chip disinformation sheet keywords bubba watching organization nasa science internet project office lines attorney general procure utilize encryption devices extent needed preserve government ability conduct lawful electronic surveillance fulfill secure enforcement communications attorney general utilize funds department justice asset forfeiture super surplus fund effect purchase part scares keys determined person state approved encryption method persons life forfet profits making busts profit power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely human nature changed hundred years curt howland howland nasa operations center nasa ames 
clipper sayers sound distribution nntp posting host blanca lance colostate organization colorado state engineering college lines bunch meaning cynnical text screw thread sizes rights people standards regulate screw threads funny comment personal privacy citizen governemnt able typed computer point clipper chip stuff seeds nightmares make nightmare elmstreet cheese celluloid movies episodes roger neighborhood establishes cryptography standard personal divided segments stored separate albeit easy find places bits begin screwed pardon allusion affore mentioned article cracking chips clipper chip made hell based encoder chip cracks easier break code classified algorythm crack easily scared kind thing plan support organizations disorganizations fighting clipper chip government able access search warrant keys keys bits long begin nate sammons hate quotations message brought nate sammons number ralph waldo emerson lance colostate 
crypto conference organization university southern california angeles lines distribution nntp posting host pollux information upcoming crypto conference address submit articles number copies needed jonathan demarrais university southern california depressingly stupid machine marvin 
tapped code good organization univ southwestern louisiana lines strnlght david sternlight writes opinion asserted truth flames background years senior corporate staff executive fortune companies happy crypto system supplied business told secure resistant attempts japanese french competitive companies governments break happy escrowed keys provided happy bona fides escrow agencies federal reserve satisfy accounting firms trust president stated trap doors happier committee independent experts examined thing seal secrecy reported back secure trust long trust swiss japanese hinderland trust japanese trust president stupid fortune companies proud surprising suggest corporations feel pick corporations attitude part government support government famous perspective point view japanese corps part government governors trusted htere people tired patriotic question taxes attitude america political party caste david sternlight great care ensure accuracy information errors omissions excepted phil fraering find sorts stuff cacs ancient mayans televison repo 
tapped code good organization univ southwestern louisiana distribution lines holland colostate douglas craig holland writes mail break encryption call tempest trucks read electromagnetic emmisions computer terminal note measures protect tempest surveillance classified classified independently invent half dozen head studied advanced good system regime fruition make protect amendment rights asserting amendment rights doug holland phil fraering find sorts stuff cacs ancient mayans televison repo 
thoughts clipper proposal organization division academic computing northeastern university boston lines envision incorporation standart communication systems making prevalent market cheap detaching crypto chip communication equipment logical provide clipper chip user part phone modem form smart card compatible telecomm products banks encourage extensive cards make transactions phone natural step cross reference card person government databases version wiretap proposal make sence eavesdrop spell person modem phone side note disagree poster care ability government eavesdrop clipper electronic survelliance citizens making monopoly government find examples interceptions made unauthorised people uncovered crimes state officials public finger mkagalen northeastern 
underground encryption text white house announcement organization university idaho moscow lines distribution nntp posting host snake uidaho article caltech finney writes worst nightmares raised dorothy denning proposals coming true government continues imagine strong cryptography made illegal encryption programs disk files email software encrypted voice communications distributed underground people learn hide fact protecting privacy thoughts work encapsulating encrypted data inside encrypted data files file formats written gaps hide data file formats designed alternate data hidden dispersing legitimate data hidden data show file hidden data indistinguishable correct reveal presence illegal document devise custom file compression algorithm friend uncompressor file appears total gigerish transmit file escrow data file formats gangs required escrow hand signals colors catch phrases important evaluate content electronic speach replacing media paper verbal speach question 
unix crypt nntp posting host organization class technology corporation mailer psilink lines recently moved unix number files crypt protect version crypt found insists letter keys shorter doug 
tapped code good summary flaws domino theory organization chinet public access unix distribution lines article amolitor andrew molitor writes pick kind domino theory country falls neighbor surely follow mining salt siberia turning captain crunch secret decoder rings wrongness attempt correct vietnam domino theory disproved 
clipper thoughts lines cryptographic algorythm secret private individuals make clipperclones transmit messages feds ready access unacceptable hope starts released 
tapped code good organization typical phone company involved typical daydream distribution reply brad message nntp posting host rainier lines article brad brad templeton writes hits land record telco access telco supposed give warrant rule today evidence admissible judge ordered interception crypttext warrant illegal cops record today plain cellular calls judge permission listen tapes long legal police record encrypted conversations violating privacy read encryption warrant usual good faith exception accidentally record encrypted conversation covered drug exception fourth amendment pray peace bill bill stewart bell labs holmdel jersey work cyberspace white house commect line 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx organization uscrpac lines article holland colostate douglas craig holland writes trust richard nixon crypto keys wouldn president nixon private citizen nixon slightest interest president nixon david david sternlight great care ensure accuracy information errors omissions excepted 
white house wiretap chip disinformation sheet keywords bubba watching nntp posting host unix ampr reply karn qualcomm organization qualcomm lines article bill stewart writes attorney general procure utilize encryption devices extent needed preserve government ability conduct lawful electronic surveillance fulfill secure enforcement communications attorney general utilize funds department justice asset forfeiture super surplus fund effect purchase curious thing iis designed secure telephones cleared classified traffic readily enforcement agencies word standard office hundred thousand phones exist government standard phones unlike iis certified classified traffic likelihood compatible existing iis gearing large scale decryption civilian clipper users compatible hardware phil 
proposal police point view organization uscrpac lines dwight tuinstra posts interesting message comments effects clipper chip state local police reading lines good thing civil liberties respect prevent cowboy cops cowboy state local agancies reading traffic illegally extensive discussion forum inadmissible taps develop information lead admissible evidence stop things time time simple fishing expeditions david david sternlight great care ensure accuracy information errors omissions excepted 
clipper chip technical details organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host alumni caltech berkeley bernstein writes summary elided system possibly work plugs ciphertext receiving chip receiving chip receiving chip information work computed system cryptographically useless escrow bullshit message decrypted description chip operation evidently leaves management aspects secret public broadcast message initiation result diffie hellman exchange similar protocols clear implemented clipper wiretap chip provided system components finney 
clipper chip technical details organization bell laboratories lines article berkeley bernstein writes short summary bellovin hellman global chip user choose session phone call makes chip keys user government apparently message encrypted system possibly work plugs ciphertext receiving chip receiving chip receiving chip information work computed system cryptographically useless escrow bullshit message decrypted session chosen choose session keys exponential exchange shared secret choose chip apparently emit escrow header 
corporate acceptance wiretap chip nntp posting host mizzou missouri organization university missouri lines strnlght david sternlight writes opinion asserted truth flames background years senior corporate staff executive fortune companies happy crypto system supplied business told secure resistant attempts japanese french competitive companies governments break happy escrowed keys provided happy bona fides escrow agencies federal reserve satisfy accounting firms doubt attitude corporate leaders understandable corporate execs cryptology easy peddling snake proposed scheme major improvement telephone security exists problem security scheme kind concern weakest link chain suspect fairly strong encryption algorithm wiretap chip strong mode existence registry system make kinds attacks small fraction expense build keysearch machine originally sounded police court combination acquire chip hope case imply glaring hole cost find crooked jodge crooked foreign intelligence agency organized crime boss intelligent schemes access unencrypted phone conversations weak nesses expensive difficult trust confidential information encryption scheme cracked time hundred complaints cost million dollars build keysearch machine million dollars confidential phone messages headquarters worth nissan chrysler audi home phones major execs important engineers designers jones understand financial problems trust long trust swiss japanese designed algorithm secure secure idea system resistant practical cryptanalysis puzzle palace bamford describes employees turned foreign agents security measures doubt accounting firm match confidential data subject requested thousands police organizations courts land john kelsey missouri 
clipper algorithm secret organization panix yawk city lines johnl cambridge john levine writes quoting cryptographic protocol matter valid reasons keeping secret hope shown ways things occurred algorithm secret published build physically identical clone versions chip interoperate official clipper chips cloner provide keys escrow houses hmmn yeah algorithm classified military contract similar government equivalent military proprietary design feds developed patent patent publicly betting classified algorithm made public reverse engineered compromise goal justice able read chip users cypto data reduce profits selected chip maker danny bedlam cmcl panix danny lieberman church station yawk yawk 
wiretap chip clones secure exchange nntp posting host mizzou missouri organization university missouri lines writes cryptographic algorythm secret private individuals make clipperclones transmit messages feds ready access necessarily thinking chip scheme provide real security sort exchange public encryption scheme exchange scheme diffie hellman band transmission shared session protects band eavesdropping phone company online central authority generates session sends users point trouble complicated depositories phone company copy session call practical user online copy public keys verified digitally signed chip manufacturer copy public unit stored unit online directory access public keys introduce weakness security scheme designated verified connection standard chips modified chip original public private pair pair verification scheme call people establish secure communications john kelsey hope starts released 
detect illegal cipher organization clarinet communications corp lines article ebrandt claremont brandt writes copy criminal encryption cover clipper avoid prohibit strong encryption true today criminals regularly sorts unsafe methods cordless phones cellular phones plain copper wire analog phones alligator clips plan execute crimes amazing stupid keen digital telphony successor clipper chip hoping crooks remain stupid feel safe clipper chip phones caught brad templeton clarinet communications corp sunnyvale 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow organization clarinet communications corp keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx lines article jebright ohio state james ebright writes article brad brad templeton writes greatest danger escrow database disk chance complete copy leak hard backup consequences backup data warrant worse consequences secret backup data warrant effectively secure crypto secret backups effectively crypto poster essentialy arguing crypto secure crypto poster brain wrong gear infer sentence meant consequences backup consequences easy copy database brad templeton clarinet communications corp sunnyvale 
competing standard nntp posting host mizzou missouri organization university missouri lines cripple chip government pushing good alternative scheme hybrid strong stream cipher idea substantially cripple chip registration police demand give secret court issued warrant read months wiretapped messages assuming committed crimes generate pair business find system alternative unwilling give secret stay jail real legal precedent court issued warrants gather information suspected criminals secrecy enormously likelihood corruption theft escrowed keys enforcement intelligent community correct loss terms enforcement capabilities comments john kelsey 
clipper chip technical details organization lines article steven bellovin writes hellman user choose called session hellman alice communicating clipper chip alice chooses chooses incompatible suggestion alice talking common chosen classical public approaches protocol management description published incomplete incorrect leaves idea system work hope cpsr foia request succeeds full details 
fighting clipper initiative organization university iowa iowa city lines ucar philip zimmermann writes philip ideas constructive articulating forum work press talk local newspaper science technology reporter write favorite trade rags write articles favorite magazines newspapers explain clipper chip initiative idea remember tailor audience general public slow grasp idea technical arcane innocent sounding flaming libertarian paranoid extremist flaming libertarian paranoid extremist loss specific objections sound frighteningly technical suggestions post list mobilize opposition industry companies develop products incorporate clipper chip lobbied work telecommunications equipment vendor enlist coworkers fellow engineers initiative present company management united front engineering talent initiative write persuasive memos management colleagues names hold meetings suggest companies implementing schemes limited govt scheme find reasons opposition clipper scheme algoritm insecurity mistrust govt hard sell letters editor nontechnical people hints advice small type thing hate clipper good idea james holthaus james holthaus public request server 
clipper algorithm secret organization virginia tech computer science dept blacksburg lines nntp posting host csugrad johnl cambridge john levine writes cryptographic protocol matter valid reasons keeping secret hope shown occurred algorithm secret published build physically identical clone versions recall post time details encryption scheme revealed encryption scheme worthless statement response snazzy scheme algorithm secret algorithm depend fact scheme secret stated reasons mike 
fighting clipper initiative organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex flaming libertarian paranoid extremist loss specific objections sound frighteningly technical idea foisting cripple chip standard manufacturers result sayonara high tech market technical difficult understand plays concern lots people worried 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryp organization temple stan world concord mass brad brad templeton writes assume moment system secure halves encryption independent escrow houses trust escrow houses aclu joking names internet test message token reply appreciated reading figure excellent method corrupting aclu wished gaurds guardians 
automatic online encryption data lines andersom colorado marc anderson plug phone encrypted voice communications similar digitizing input speech transmitting decrypting public system work regard posted reading clinton chip messages guess beat great idea develop product underground illegal pretty quickly feasible expensive needed phone jack side middle codec functions speech compressed bytestream side plug phone plug computer good fashioned normal modem port middle encryption version modified work byte stream modems carry bytestream work quality marginally lower normal telephone highest price voice mail compatible modems digitisation puts upper bound cost practice able price software cheap nasty home risc acorn archimedes digitising microphone bought pounds knew write good speech compression software reason work consumer equipment encryption wiretap chip economics afraid kcps throughput internet bottleneck modem isdn nren trivial compressed speech connection internet start thinking standard voice internet compatible side step clipper stuff internet phone calls future joking 
clipper chip technical details lines protocol management description published incomplete incorrect leaves idea system work hope cpsr foia request succeeds full details easier denning georgetown 
corporate acceptance wiretap chip lines designed algorithm secure secure idea system resistant practical cryptanalysis puzzle palace bamford describes employees turned foreign agents security measures doubt accounting firm match confidential data subject requested thousands police organizations courts land mention ronald william pelton embarrassing 
clipper proposal length organization promis systems corp lines danny weitzner writes april initial analysis clinton privacy security proposal details proposal escrow divided escrow agents hold bits manufacturer communications device required register keys independent escrow agents tied device person subvert escrow agents space search sound digital telephony subject plaintext attack case half needed agent escrow arrangement pointless unknown algorithm turn gaps speech pseudo random sequences magic involved mike 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization national computer security center distribution lines article bontchev informatik hamburg writes constitutions guarantees american bear arms american entitled matter read applicable part constitution interpreted context posting misinterpretation refers people organize militia individuals carry handguns grenades assault rifles robert ward 
shelf cheap keyseach machine corporate acceptance wiretap chip organization csri university toronto lines article missouri john kelsey writes strnlght david sternlight writes stuff deleted existence registry system make kinds attacks small fraction expense build keysearch machine originally sounded police court combination acquire chip hope case imply glaring hole cost find crooked jodge crooked foreign intelligence agency organized crime boss intelligent schemes access unencrypted phone conversations weak nesses expensive difficult trust confidential information encryption scheme cracked time hundred complaints cost million dollars build keysearch machine keysearch machine shelf approx sold circuit emulation machine quickturn bunch fpgas program search engine lets chips running tests time weeks weeks average wait long bigger machine david lewis 
tapped code good nntp posting host tidss asic reply jdailey organization design automaton texas instruments lines amolitor andrew molitor writes pick kind domino theory country falls neighbor surely follow mining salt siberia turning captain crunch secret decoder rings interesting column editorial page dallas morning news saturday walter williams professor georgetown dorothy kansas anymore denning article titled government slowly eroding liberties tells story attributed late leonard read explained wanted liberty americans cook frog read cook frog boiling water throwing frog reflexes quick feet touch water leap frog cold water heat time frog realizes cooked late americans freedoms naturally rebel suppress tyrant successful frog cooking liberties time line article late water pretty warm toagree warm clipper keeping temperature upward note followups redirected privacy clipper jdailey pays absolutely attention opinions foregoing information possibly represent viewpoint 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization engineering computer network distribution lines article brad brad templeton writes assume moment system secure halves encryption independent escrow houses trust escrow houses aclu joking names case prince wales worry system respectfully disagree assertion brad government notoriously sloppy physical communications information security computers safe read adequately protecting national security information imtec excellent talking private sector organizations tend security measures escrow organizations penetrated foreign intelligence services months weeks selection private organizations lack resources full fleged intelligence service longer order years nonetheless penetrations place question philip moyer software staff engineering computer network voice purdue 
open letter clinton reply bontchev informatik hamburg organization virus test center university hamburg lines strnlght david sternlight writes simple convert clipper proposal unexceptionable make voluntary reading proposal voluntary program make desirable high quality secure classified technology agree escrow secure make trust yeah tomorrow outlaw encrypring devices technology promising read proposal vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center university hamburg fachbereich informatik vogt koelln strasse mail bontchev informatik hamburg hamburg germany 
tapped code good reply bontchev informatik hamburg organization virus test center university hamburg distribution lines strnlght david sternlight writes opinion asserted truth flames incompetent posted flamed background years senior corporate staff executive fortune companies years background fortune companies lived years totalitarian regime recognize totalitarian plot happy crypto system supplied business told secure resistant happy secure talking intelligent people criminal previous sentence privacy guaranteed invadable government current future government mind happy escrowed keys provided happy bona fides escrow agencies federal reserve satisfy accounting firms ignore nonsense statement moment happy system current escrow agencies guarantees happy tomorrow government current government throws sheep skin sheep reasoning caught surprise late cryptography guaranteed breakable government outlawed privacy breakable enforcement agencies abiding reasons stronger stronger hide enforcement agencies unlawful strong crypto clear idndication unlawful trust president stated trap level competence cryptology demonstrated messages trust hominem attack attack contents messages doors happier committee independent experts examined thing seal secrecy reported back secure experts corrupted make mistake version algorithm examine mistake information revealed security hole protocol split system easily breakable keys trust long trust swiss japanese swiss japanese motivated simple greed motivated control people drug dealers accounts swiss banks american reason trust swiss banks guess trust swiss encryption idea suddenly popular surprising suggest corporations feel pick corporations attitude part government support government famous surprising reason give obvious government money program support corporations piece supporting good greed strong encryption widely plot companies money companies penalties perspective point view yeah predicted support system vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center university hamburg fachbereich informatik vogt koelln strasse mail bontchev informatik hamburg hamburg germany 
clipper sayers sound nntp posting host organization network management systems bell northern research newsreader version distribution lines nathaniel sammons colostate wrote establishes cryptography standard personal divided segments stored separate albeit easy find places bits begin screwed pardon allusion affore mentioned article cracking chips clipper chip made hell based encoder chip cracks easier break code classified algorythm crack easily agreed agency approve public release crypto system technical means decrypt whim surely point madness make public communications safe james bond full decrypted access communications heist pull thought government release algorithm panel carefully chosen experts study deeply report findings people academics government sponsored researchers tiny toons scared kind thing plan support organizations disorganizations fighting clipper chip hope sort thing start filtering ears government european parliament wind kiss goodbye form democracy europe government able access search warrant keys keys bits long begin hallelujah rick tait bell northern research europe network management systems southgate london email ricktait compulink ricktait 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx reply bontchev informatik hamburg organization virus test center university hamburg lines strnlght david sternlight writes argue nose camel worth noting government proposal limited scrambled telephony purpose extend electronic mail file usual david sternlight demonstrating inability read proposal states initiative involve creation products accelerate development advanced secure telecommunications networks wireless communications links speaks telecommunications general read david understand time encryption improvement current mass produced standard civilian technology exceptions limited easy break inverters government sheep minded people current situation eavesdrop secure secure encryption happen optimists proposal accepted able eavesdrop ability eavesdrop guaranteed proposal emphasizes improvement forgets mention drawbacks guaranteed statement assumes step make strong crypto unlawful happen good luck note issue feds continued ability wiretap continued ability guaranteed ability deep long discusions secure crypto mail files focus yeah government small steps time concentrate current future trust question asked release proposal limited telephony government intends expand asked proposal intention unlike read write share concerns expressed find proposal threatening americans secure telephony jerk pair clip leads goat eavesdrop plug security hole cellular cordless phones stop jerk eavesdropping government eavesdrop scheme secure proven jerk fearing government tomorrow proposal guarantees ability eavesdrop hell motivate mentally pervert reading lines infer system highly secure access keys great greatest cryptographer times david sternlight succeeded evaluate system absense details whatsoever concluded highly secure guess background working years major crypto evaluating companies government save money trouble secret council crypto experts secretly analyse secret method david sternlight meet businesses confronted rich powerful adversaries including french japanese security services rich japanese companies make stuff protecting enforcement trust government legitimate corporations trust delighted high security system certified price depositing keys escrow difficulty creating reliable prepared trade liberties promises future safety deserve exact quote meaning great study works carefully brains understand point view fair starting point concerns addressed including reliability escrows main question guarantee availability secure cryptography masses proposal guarantee american full kind encryption regard proposal default voluntary implementation opposition reason promise orwell years return access high security crypto return crypto guaranteed crippled suggested systems breakable similarly skilled endowed rumors true easily scheme guaranteed easily breakable keys breakable trick told secure simply trust good possibility checked proposed system breakable guaranteed easily breakable keys easier evidence wild speculation trapdoors government keys trapdoors government hands keys pursuant legitimate court order protect legitimate communications economic adversaries able eavesdrop crooks pursuant court order legitimate decides communications legitimate guess government keys kinda keys asked decide legitimately discussing avoid nastiness personal attacks noise previous threads impossible demonstrating level incompetence ignorance provious threads substantive technical issue personal remarks place discussion posting technically competent message vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center university hamburg fachbereich informatik vogt koelln strasse mail bontchev informatik hamburg hamburg germany 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx reply bontchev informatik hamburg organization virus test center university hamburg lines strnlght david sternlight writes slightest interest president nixon typical seep minded thinking david sternlight jerk afraid case population realize dorothy denning government battle succeed wake people events happening fast cryptography sophisticated issue cares thousand readers make difference millions caught asleep vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center university hamburg fachbereich informatik vogt koelln strasse mail bontchev informatik hamburg hamburg germany 
technical details organization bell laboratories lines corrections additions hellman note courtesy dorothy denning reposted permission requests note roles appears values construct unit nature generation process produced scheme implemented repository generates half generates ominous postings revealed scripture carefully crafted spook postings attempt draw hidden meanings opposed official announcements clipper leave denning hellman record opposition back folks newsgroup knew read impugn integrity yeah folks invented clipper stupid make sense understand goals steve bellovin date denning georgetown dorothy denning subject clipper chip long list folks briefed comments marty message clipper chip secret crypto algorithm embedded algorithm operates blocks chip supports modes operation algorithm rounds scrambling compared addition system user choose change desired call plain message session shared sender receiver method public establish session telephone security devices chip negotiated public protocol encrypted encrypted unit serial number unit added produce part message encrypted system producing serial number understanding encrypted called family decrypt held enforcement hand knowledge check sunday wait unit generated random numbers escrow unit called chip generated serial number blocks derived seeds keys compute block note triple encryption mode keys similarly compute blocks starting unlear keys change fact called seeds suggests concatenated giving bits bits form bits form remaining bits discarded authorities escrow authorities decided attorney general stressed enforcement agencies parties acceptable users system unbiased marty asked suggestions pass reasons addition marty criteria agencies established record able safeguard highly sensitive information suggestions received include rand mitre national labs sandia lanl alamos treasury court order obtains enforcement agency decrypt information flowing suspected link guess constantly links court order impossible links message flow understanding decode operated service provider isolate communications stream pass pass decode keyed wiretap authorizations levy asked details review cases required agent told predecessors turned blank signed forms time levi comply changed system lesson clear single person authority power authorize wiretaps single person taps completing mound paperwork agent approval people chain includes legal counsel request attorney general final approval dorothy denning 
proposal police point view reply bontchev informatik hamburg organization virus test center university hamburg lines strnlght david sternlight writes dwight tuinstra posts interesting message comments effects clipper chip state local police reading lines good thing civil liberties respect prevent cowboy cops cowboy state local agancies reading traffic illegally reading lines difficult hints proposal imposes additional burocratic burden local police badly tape magic cookie recipie telling phone guess propose technology removed implement facilitations wait approval agencies decrypt conversation child molesters child molesters conspiring molesting child access keys quickly copy database worry warrant vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center university hamburg fachbereich informatik vogt koelln strasse mail bontchev informatik hamburg hamburg germany 
powerful similarity organization capriccioso newsreader version lines asked supply specific directions automated fetching source documentation agrep powerful similarity pattern matching tool arizona directory agrep readme agrep agrep agrep agrep agrep agrep suffixed files optional postscript docs good research report benchmarks included note macintosh users hours drudgery ported tool running system mail binhexed copy tool suitable dropping tools folder write purely cryptographic tool lots picking lost references things interested starting search agrep burning chrome cyberpunkspool immediately finds references burning crome missed times john gilmore mentioned archives misspelled usual mail uuencoded request anonymous grady 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption summary misinterretation today keywords constitution misinterpretation organization purdue daemons distribution lines misinterpretation crime united states lawyers make bread butter manchester years small company wanted game system galled lasergames similar aspects photon lawyers hundred citizens found ancient manchester books context designed prohibit travelling carnivals enumerating features carnival felt time made prohibition obvious things shooting galleries lawyers opposition lasergames wanted harp judge words completely context ruled lasergames operate manchester mind travelling carnivals projectile weapons shooting galleries light beams context lasergames shafted words applied denial operating permission justified text post afraid remember words stuck john dormer purdue 
report privacy protecting line cash organization amsterdam lines recently published privacy protecting line electronic cash system technical report student david chaum cryptography group group long history research field privacy protecting cash systems report called pages retrieved directory cwireports postscript file suitable laserprinters abstract coverpage present line electronic cash system based problem called representation problem made literature system based discrete logarithms representation problem basic concept techniques introduced enable construct protocols withdrawal payment choose methodology earlier systems consequence cash system efficient computation communication complexity system proposed previously important aspect system concerns provability contrary previously proposed systems correctness mathematically proven great extent specifically make plausible assumption single hash function ability break system imply break diffie hellman problem system offers number extensions hard achieve previously systems opinion interesting entire cash system including extensions incorporated setting based wallets observers important advantage double spending prevented place detecting identity double spender fact incorporated stringent requirements conceivable privacy user impossible previously proposed systems benefit system framing attempts bank negligible probability success independent computing power simple mechanism system previous solutions lack basic cash system extended checks multi show cash divisibility retaining computational efficiency cryptographers challenged break system made effort report contained questions mail reply good comments stefan brands kruislaan amsterdam netherlands mail brands 
source announcement organization panix public access unix lines marc marc horowitz writes received mail mitch kapor list added applies list guess initial theory clipper list idea joke guess happy conspiracy contact mitch clipper list forwarded traffic recieved list site alias clipper list csspab mailing list basically contained addresses staffers board members nist security board people accounts dockmaster domain people foia harry harry shapiro habs list administrator extropy institute mailing list private communication extropian community 
tapped code good organization intercon systems corporation herndon lines distribution world reply amanda amanda walker nntp posting host chaos intercon newsreader intercon connect shaen bernhardt writes agree private sector entity crypto system partially compromised sensitive strategically important traffic system cheap cordless phone clipper local blue listen talk friends order pizza worse worry local kids nosy neighbors clipper raises insecure channels make secure means wall master court order grass sign answer obvious wouldn hardware compromised triple encrypted cellular phone cost personally cylink stuff budget personal reconcile administrations proclaimed purpose providing enforcement access encrypted data making clipper system crypto fourth amendments mind amanda walker intercon systems corporation 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption reply bontchev informatik hamburg organization virus test center university hamburg distribution lines rlward ncsc robert ward writes constitutions guarantees american bear arms american entitled matter read applicable part constitution interpreted context amendments posted time posting misinterpretation refers people organize militia individual carry handguns grenades assault rifles month expressed belief means shoot neighbor ensure people free flamed lots american supporters thought mind cripple chip purely american problem deal mess wanted share experience living years totalitarian regime bulgarian thought vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center university hamburg fachbereich informatik vogt koelln strasse mail bontchev informatik hamburg hamburg germany 
clipper algorithm secret organization duke university computer science dept durham lines article johnl cambridge john levine writes occurred algorithm secret published build physically identical clone versions chip interoperate official clipper chips cloner provide keys escrow houses hmmn necessarily release details algorithm releasing system called hellman make people happy sort verification procedure exchange official chips work official chips words secrecy makes physically identical clone versions impossible secrecy algorithm revealing algorithm opens attacks units share compromising deal personally feel comfortable knowing secret number held places guaranteed security compromise necessarily system compromised impossible true secret algorithm incidentally secret algorithm secret main marginally important court order wiretap steve tate duke reason mathematics enjoys special esteem dept computer science sciences laws duke university absolutely indisputable durham sciences extent debatable einstein 
organization glasgow university computing science dept distribution lines student crypt group posted directly feed back encryption schemes research finite fields applied takers reply gamv gavin 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow organization intercon systems corporation herndon lines distribution world reply amanda amanda walker nntp posting host chaos intercon newsreader intercon connect pmetzger shearson perry metzger writes political dissident scared shitless feds listening calls opinions sort disappeared slightly free society sort society years friends phones tapped theoretical understand number kinds conversation communication engage scheme hand clipper providing secure channel prevents casual eavesdropping part worried clipper security tool simply ludicrous voice scrambler plenty market real crypto status cryptophone companies cylink today work cost clipper aimed mass market cylink business addition number groups working building software turn privacy enhanced phone working overdrive mode news crypto restrictions point maintain restrictions networking software vendor large overseas share market ship simple products case case approval department state itar presents material trade barrier firms compete international information systems markets freebie software talk hand strong crypto pkcs default electronic mail worldwide priests able hear confession email lawyers able talk clients confidence email doctors talk patients able order products favorite japanese mail order catalog able sign contracts transact business electronically infeasible result current restrictions crytographic systems borders clipper irrelevant distracts authorities feeling safe danger emboldens restrictions place theory good hide argument utter assault rifle amanda walker intercon systems corporation 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization intercon systems corporation herndon lines distribution world reply amanda amanda walker nntp posting host chaos intercon newsreader intercon connect rlward ncsc robert ward writes refers people organize militia individuals carry handguns grenades assault rifles false federal courts affirmed occasions crypt territory amanda walker intercon systems corporation 
amendment passwords organization lines postive correct wrong cover forced actions incriminating mike godwin posted permission carl sadly suspects compelled give handwriting voice exemplars blood tests mike correct point pretty administering truth serum ruled violation incriminate salient difference drawing blood injecting truth serum incapacitate permanent damage simply view acceptable viewed fundamental violation rights case expand protections amendment incorporate technologies results hodgepodge judges personal opinions stampfli cmhnet neat thing standards radio choose 
tapped code good organization johns hopkins university dept lines article amolitor andrew molitor writes evil effort abuse system news evil decide persecute hate fact listen phone calls triple parabolic microphone point head smart make easier christmas truelove served leftover turkey christmas truelove served turkey casserole made leftover turkey days deleted flaming turkey wings pizza commercial bait arromdee arromdee 
suggestions escrow agencies technical details reply robichau msfc nasa organization technology lines response denning letter steven bellovin comments invited paul privacy clipper steve bellovin posted message included passage selection agencies escrow agencies glad proposal written states escrow agencies enforcement agencies argue escrow agencies federal private citizen feel secure person papers knowing organization committed individual civil liberties aclu mind safeguarding half aclu resistent government pressure simple expedient fact supported funded overtly controlled government federal federally funded candidate agencies mentioned comments rand mitre national labs agree great experience safeguarding sensitive information convinced adequately safeguard information case requiring disclosure sigificant pressure disclosure possibly wrongful disclosure concrete evidence fidelity ability treasury surely joking batf safeguard keys federal reserve choice fall trial balloon posted crypt synonymous place great deal trust ability government agencies agents agree part agencies agents properly cases sworn agents federal government acted wrongly make feel federal agencies repositories unacceptable respectfully paul robichaux speaking bcss nasa paul robichaux stop brother chip mission software development ripem request 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization express access online communications greenbelt lines distribution nntp posting host access digex drifting topic case check topics devoted rights issues find ample evidence misinformation assertion term people amendment mysteriously meaning diametrically opposite meaning exact term fourth amendments 
technical details organization swiss federal institute technology zurich lines article steven bellovin writes corrections additions hellman note courtesy dorothy denning reposted permission requests note roles appears values construct unit nature generation process produced scheme implemented repository generates half generates ominous postings revealed scripture carefully crafted spook postings attempt draw hidden meanings opposed official announcements clipper leave denning hellman record opposition back folks newsgroup knew read impugn integrity yeah folks invented clipper stupid make sense understand goals addition posted permission tech details cliper enligthen keygeneration date denning cosc georgetown dorothy denning subject clipper chip conversation clarify features clipper feel free distribute messages clipper encryption algorithm skipjack martin hellman written serial number unit added produce part message encrypted system producing serial number responded understanding encrypted called family decrypt held enforcement hand knowledge correct encrypted skipjack single system separate decrypt family unit called chip generated serial number blocks derived seeds keys compute block note triple encryption mode keys similarly compute blocks starting unlear keys change fact called seeds suggests concatenated giving bits bits form bits form remaining bits discarded seeds change process performed laptop computer supplied independent people person entire programming session generate keys stream serial numbers discarded computer thrown desired serial number bits values formed padding serial number fixed blocks separate padding resulting keys output separate floppy disks paired serial number pair stored separate file floppy disks separate people behalf escrow agencies dorothy denning denning georgetown technical detail time remark posting automatically agree contents implications swamp mailbox valuable addition technical discussion rising mind call backdoor imagine generation process working seeds dependency serial number friendly germano caronni instruments register things designed register space infinite unknowns germano caronni caronni ethz 
tapped code good nntp posting host crchh organization newsreader version lines amanda walker amanda wrote shaen bernhardt writes deletions reconcile administrations proclaimed purpose providing enforcement access encrypted data making clipper system crypto fourth amendments mind heard someplace misc legal comp talk courts pretty eliminated fourth amendment allen words wound ethridge opinions morrison 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow nntp posting host beethoven colostate organization colorado state university computer science department keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx lines article strnlght david sternlight writes article holland colostate douglas craig holland writes trust richard nixon crypto keys wouldn president nixon private citizen nixon slightest interest president nixon watched remind watergate iceberg nixon extensively watch people decrypting puzzle palace restricted conducting american surveillance foreign intelligence surveillance fisa series presidential directives beginning issued president ford richard nixon bold misuse explicitly directed conduct widespread domestic surveillance political dissidents drug users laws supposed conduct illegal surveillance laws broken doug holland 
lines organization curtin university technology distribution inet article gthomas thomas writes zrepachol curtin paul repacholi writes article zrepachol curtin paul repacholi writes bothered reading video manufacturing consent reply mail queries video asked month told national film board canada relief thought reality slipping noam radio tonight published book years published south guess bostonian confirm love hear thinks clipper scam paul posting thought joke taste appologies person broke news 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx nntp posting host spot colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article strnlght david sternlight writes article holland colostate douglas craig holland writes trust richard nixon crypto keys wouldn president nixon private citizen nixon slightest interest president nixon david david sternlight great care ensure accuracy information errors omissions excepted ergo life sufficiently boring privacy meant personal logical conclusion statement cuffel finger admitted assassination saddam hussien goals failed motorcade downtown dallas trick works 
amendment passwords nntp posting host unix ampr reply karn qualcomm organization qualcomm lines article cmhnet stampfli writes sadly suspects compelled give handwriting voice exemplars blood tests mike correct point pretty administering truth serum ruled violation incriminate salient difference find salient difference number amendment related supreme court opinions court limits amendment protections call testimonial evidence opposed physical evidence question hinge crypto considered testimonial evidence suppose arguments made hope considered testimonial phil 
technical details organization duke university computer science dept durham lines article caronni ethz germano caronni dorothy denning writes seeds change straight person serial number unit easy reconstruct family easily serial number unit made transmission batch unit keys number pairs fairly favorite government agency pairs presto nasty details court orders wire taps longer people distrusts government turn taking word pairs pushing steve tate duke reason mathematics enjoys special esteem dept computer science sciences laws duke university absolutely indisputable durham sciences extent debatable einstein 
registering bodies organization yale mail news gateway lines trust registrar clipper chip halves trust mitre mitre lots work trusted product evaluation program evaluation commercial shelf software efficacy safeguarding classified information assume open programs ffrdcs federally funded research development corporations work aerospace corporation institute defense analysis untrustworthy position neutral purposes posting position exert economic pressure mitre release halves demand cooperate place evaluation contracts aerospace people mitre aerospace dishonest folk people people occasionally system works organizations depending independent speak employer lynn grant 
proposal police point view reply strnlght message reply pmetzger organization lehman brothers lines article strnlght david sternlight writes extensive discussion forum inadmissible taps develop information lead admissible evidence stop things time time simple fishing expeditions things continue matter assurances escrow prove joke perry metzger pmetzger laissez faire laissez passer monde meme 
technical details organization swiss federal institute technology zurich lines followup posting cares work facts clipper chip hellman denning able chip confined digital telephony performs general encryption symmetric manner chip supports fourth mode operation algorithm consists rounds takes keys input data people secure communication means clipper involved agree secret direction exchange schemes feed secret clipper chip ready work clipper chip carries unique serial number bits bits gained encrypting serial number seed bits seed bits stored chip beginning communication invtervals whithin sending fist real output encryption clipper chip packets guess represent serial number session chipkeyk serial number transformation packets involving family family equal chips simple digital phone call usual packet encrypted decrypted clipper denning describes generated seed leaving politics concern american citicien weak points scheme exploited parties generation obvious backdoor generate chip keys knowing serial number family chip imagine seeds needed true random sources generation bought money escrows security existant maximized giving bits xored give simply assume escrows trustworthy fooled criminals enforchemnt agencies quarrel escrows hinder duties keys surrendered chip compromised forever clever imho sending encrypted session keys phone call police listen escrows simply decode session send back police naturally warrant expired technical solution guess politics work apparently miss dennings stated performing decodes intercepted messages great local inter cept understand traffic anymore monopolizes legal wiretaps idea allowed means watched communi cations routed automatically service providing company communicaiton watched means understand family switching company providing cellular phone servies etcetc family secret serial numbers calls readable cares traffic analysis guess chip mode packets chip lost garbled session broadcasted line hmm difficult point side read heard clipper programming language dbase advantages shold overseen afterthought rights note idea talking grady amendment congress make respecting establishment religion prohibiting free exercise thereof abridging freedom speech press people peaceably assemble petition government redress grievances text bill rights overrule freedom speech secrecy speech extend amendment cover information communication position government legally cryptography arms amendment conditions tricky situation make sense discuss topic crypt discussion technical details vulnerabilites system highly suggested appreciated friendly germano caronni disclaimer derived things heard read persons wrong opinions thoughts mine subject change notification warranty implicit explicit nauseam political opinions bother information read line metzgers signature instruments register things designed register space infinite unknowns germano caronni caronni ethz 
white house public encryption management fact sheet news software vnews organization mission operations data systems distribution lines article stratus carl ellison writes article clipper ncsl nist clipper chip announcement writes attorney general utilize funds department justice asset forfeiture super surplus fund effect purchase talk adding insult injury civil forfeiture abolished decent administration continued gain wiretap equipment wholeheartedly agree knowing enforcement agencies seize property amendment constitution tells absolving responsibility governance government back serving politicians create laws rules positions government allowed power people nation situation changed allowing enforcement agencies seized property drug informants continue deal drugs tantamount making pact devil vicious cycle enforcement agencies motivated seize property fund activities easy citizen regain property intact incentive agencies property interesting note months rush limbaugh clinton plumbers force shortly clinton henchmen firmly strong ubiquitous government control anytime leader believes leader means retain control government back living equivalent high tech world dictatorship responsibility personal welfare actions paul olson systems manager resident amiga addict voice decnet charon paul internet paul gsfc nasa disclaimer statements messages wholely amiga ignorance renewable resource rourke 
clipper chip long follow lines organization curtin university technology article gillogly writes document anonymous directory nist shoe dropped gillogly trewesday astron posting making post long comment reluctantly leaving original place provide context note group clipper stuff note file anonymous file transfer csrc ncsl nist directory nistnews nist computer security white house office press secretary release april statement press secretary president today announced initiative bring federal government industry voluntary vlsi mykotronx industry happened street mandateed scheme voluntary orwell love program improve security privacy telephone communications meeting legitimate enforcement telephone encryption scrambleing years digital idea literaly true clasic straw claim context real time circuits mail initiative involve creation products accelerate development advanced secure telecommunications networks wireless communications links modestly propose mandated isdn commun ications long dialogue private sector enforcement community resolve tension economic vitality real challenges protecting americans technology accommodate competing interests economic growth privacy enforcement previous policies pitted government industry rights privacy enforcement sophisticated encryption technology years protect electronic funds transfer protect electronic mail computer files encryption normmaly technology americans protect business secrets unauthorized release personal information terrorists drug dealers criminals note word business tenor release establishing ground rule business legitimate debate nothings drop wife remain secret private agenda debate note role private info reference information hands unauthorized release drawing long cases people legitimate access abusing revealing selling info people proposal people keys criminals lawers courts white house officials pens business outlawed yeah idea clipper protections courts erroded decade state microcircuit called clipper chip developed government engineers chip represents approach encryption technology yeah true inexpensive encryption devices attached ordinary telephone scrambles telephone communications encryption algorithm powerful commercial today note repeated mixing telephone scrabeling encryption demo claim ordanary pots good nights entertainment suspect note general tone implies technology companies protect proprietary information protect privacy personal phone conversations prevent unauthorized release data transmitted electronically time technology preserves ability federal state local enforcement agencies intercept lawfully phone conversations criminals case record needed brutal tightening current abuses heard case impeaded secure encryption black side abuse enforcers documented govt agencies phone coms blurred escrow system established ensure clipper chip protect privacy abiding americans escrow system established ensure clipper chip protect privacy abiding americans lets line carefully stated purpose eschrow make clipper compulsory note word ensure protect abiding leave person asked included outlawing encryptions answer press release device chip unique keys numbers needed authorized government agencies decode messages encoded device device manufactured keys deposited separately escrow data bases established attorney general access keys limited government officials legal authorization conduct wiretap wiretap warrent clipper chip technology enforcement authorities access content private conversations americans makes illegal preserved demonstrate effectiveness technology attorney general purchase thousand devices addition respected experts government offered access confidential details algorithm assess capabilities publicly report findings find experts people contract posting asks iis interesting military embasies start secure govt answer point actions chip important step addressing problem encryption dual edge sword encryption helps protect privacy individuals industry shield criminals terrorists clipper chip approaches provide abiding citizens access encryption prevent criminals hide illegal activities order assess technology trends explore approaches escrow system president directed government agencies develop comprehensive policy encryption accommodates privacy citizens including employ voice data encryption business purposes personal unaskable question ability authorized officials access telephone calls data proper court legal order protect citizens warrents needed effective timely modern technology build national information infrastructure needed promote economic growth competitiveness american industry global marketplace companies manufacture export high technology products itars slightly impeed president directed early frequent consultations affected industries congress groups advocate privacy rights individuals policy options developed administration committed working private sector spur development national information infrastructure telecommunications computer technologies give americans unprecedented access information infrastructure high speed networks information superhighways transmit video images hdtv programming huge data files easily today telephone system transmits voice note wonderfull stuff secret proper people able express opinion desired result emerge encryption technology play increasingly important role infrastructure federal government quickly develop consistent comprehensive policies administration committed policies protect americans privacy protecting break encryption codes millenia generaly equilibrium technology time systematic study cyphers resulted swing favor encrypter moment doubt factoring problem fall time fofr practical purposes middle century information provided accompanying fact sheet provisions president directive acquire encryption technology additional details call heyman national institute standards technology questions answers clinton administration telecommunications initiative approach expand authority government agencies listen phone conversations clipper chip technology enforcement authorities access content private conversations americans suppose enforcement agency conducting wiretap drug smuggling ring intercepts conversation encrypted device decipher message obtain legal authorization court order wiretap place present documentation authorization entities responsible safeguarding keys obtain keys device drug smugglers split parts stored separately order ensure security escrow system escrow data banks escrow data banks independent entities point department justice administration determine agencies oversee escrow data banks hard critisise proposal strong security device strong security system secure voice encryption systems readily today note drop back phone mode true answer rephrased sucks time drive crypt work bench light amusement breakfast algorithm remain classified protect security escrow system link security eschrow actual algorithm real winner secret numbers explain details encryption algorithm reveal invite independent panel cryptography experts evaluate algorithm assure potential users unrecognized vulnerabilities make read real carfully decision propose product national security council justice department commerce department agencies involved decision approach endorsed president vice president cabinet officials quick back missing list consulted congress industry discussions congress industry encryption issues expect discussions intensify carry review encryption policy briefed members congress industry leaders decisions related initiative people agree buck government provide hardware manufacturers government designed developed access encryption microcircuits providing microcircuits product manufacturers product manufacturers acquire microcircuits chip manufacturer produces reverse engineering provisions mask work relevent clipper chip mykotronx programs facility torrance california sell chip encryption device manufacturers programming function licensed vendors future encryption devices expect manufacturers incorporating clipper chip devices people administration unable find technological solution proposed administration legal remedies restrict access powerful encryption devices fundamental policy question considered broad policy review escrow missed word secret grammar lesson mechanism provide americans encryption product secure convenient expensive readily today piece comprehensive approach encryption technology administration developing secure conveniant expensive free prone comprimised proofs contarary note proof administration encryption threatens public safety effective enforcement prohibit outright countries effectively american matter entitled unbreakable commercial encryption product makes sense proposal prohibit limited explicit reference personal rights denial mexicans brazilians canucks included clinton magnanamous gesture false tension created assessment issue proposition concerns fact harmoniously balanced reasoned balanced approach proposed clipper chip similar encryption techniques false tension false balance repugnant points privacy hand waved existance putting false assessment assumed removal steps deem suitable protect privacy negotiable defined govenment language existant agree criminal criminals agree laws note question decision clinton administration policy encryption differ bush administration understand importance encryption technology telecommunications computing committed working industry public interest groups find innovative ways protect americans privacy businesses compete ensure enforcement agencies tools fight crime terrorism bush dropped ball squashing nasty stamp disorderly unruley outbreak freedom ultra national sentiment devices exportable devices government hardware voice encryption devices subject export control requirements case case review export required ensure devices true encryption devices attractions technology protection give companies operating home abroad mind expect export licenses granted case case basis companies seeking devices secure communications abroad plan review possibility permitting wider exportability products real giggle australia france reveal keys algorithm list things restrictions protect saleks sell bill crock nuts good luck folks paul 
technical details nntp posting host organization earth lectronic link lines system family cryptographically useless chip able remove effects bitstream daresay widely immediately system deployed pointed separate decrypt encryption decryption benefit system wide skipjack robert bickford hacker person derives discovering ways circumvent limitations recognize class criminals juvenile delinquents calling hackers irrelevant true meaning word mafia calls businessmen pays fact attention 
tapped code good organization sorcerer apprentice cleaning services reply amanda message nntp posting host rainier lines cordless phone clipper local blue listen talk friends order pizza worse worry local kids nosy neighbors tend agree sigh encrypted cellular phone cost government monopolies cellular phone service reconcile administrations proclaimed purpose providing enforcement access encrypted data making clipper system crypto fourth amendments mind amendment itar definitions crypto equipment munitions control people increasing ability define things assault weapons make illegal triple assault phones cripple legal triple cripple fall gray area illegally upgrading assault phone pray peace bill bill stewart bell labs holmdel jersey work cyberspace white house commect line 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption distribution nntp posting host beethoven colostate organization colorado state university computer science department lines article rlward ncsc robert ward writes article bontchev informatik hamburg writes constitutions guarantees american bear arms american entitled matter read applicable part constitution interpreted context posting misinterpretation refers people organize militia individuals carry handguns grenades assault rifles read constitution amendment bear arms infringed regulated militia easily formed interpretation shows qualifications bear arms mail talk belongs talk politics guns doug holland 
tapped code good rubin beckman arthur rubin distribution organization beckman instruments nntp posting host beckman lines strnlght david sternlight writes article shaen bernhardt writes agree private sector entity crypto system partially compromised escrows instance private sector entity crypto system properly evaluated algorythm publically released answer obvious wouldn hardware compromised triple opinion asserted truth flames background years senior corporate staff executive fortune companies american businesses tubes happy crypto system supplied business told secure resistant attempts japanese french competitive companies governments break nist supposed commercial grade encryptions trust release algorithm investigation happy escrowed keys provided happy bona fides escrow agencies federal reserve satisfy accounting firms aclu profit trust president stated trap doors happier committee independent experts examined thing seal secrecy reported back secure trust trust president told trust long trust swiss japanese problem surprising suggest corporations feel pick corporations attitude part government support government famous emphasize speaking beckman instruments point international company customers ahead government whims arthur rubin rubin beckman work beckman instruments brea arthur personal opinions represent employer 
tapped code good nntp posting host ogmore ucla organization ucla computer science department distribution lines article uucp myrto writes fishing expeditions target knowlege give safe negotiable clinton quietly developed thing figuring amazes quick people blame administration current things possibly initiated chip years develop claiming clinton administration sneaked bullshit bush administration career gestapo responsible horror careerists presented presidency fait accompli excuse clinton gore criticism stupid body proper door start geoff kuenning geoff ucla geoff 
screw people crypto hard core hackers spooks summary privacy chips phones computer bound station article agora organization open communications forum lines wiretap chip distributed internationally allowing government foreign governments companies people wiretap domestic citizens world wide issue distribution world distrubution line ygoland seas ucla jester writes assuming encrypt things cares clipper chip care people lied fooled believing chip privacy fact wiretaps give shit privacy smart talking wiretap chip phone privacy chip private keys attitude worrying clipper chip simply connect handset computer feed voice single process encrypt transmit phone hand reverse simply attitude people attitude hard core computer hackers make phone calls computer apparently call computer hacker spook classified agents refuse system oblivious civilian dupes dubious privilege spooks hard core hackers privacy alternative bugged telephones talking inexpensive telephones including hand sized cellulars strong crypto real privacy make shift computer hacker rigs require living computer talk privately phone dumb stunt privacy real world true privacy chip real time voice encryption silicon compiler spit asic chip market facto standard international business diplomats private communications bans make import japanese german dutch taiwanese korean electronics companies spying workers lose jobs government fascist stupidity jhart rain 
tapped code good originator rdippold qualcomm nntp posting host qualcom qualcomm organization qualcomm diego distribution lines geoff ucla geoffrey kuenning writes bullshit bush administration career gestapo responsible horror careerists presented presidency fait accompli excuse clinton gore criticism stupid body proper door start final stages denial imagine result clinton administration supported plan acquiescing repugnance chip originated clinton administration clinton administration embraced brought fruition major parties excellent reasons limiting freedoms violating privacy feel favor surprising means willfully ignoring previous evidence political party calling anarchists party considers freedom privacy goals worthy voting supporting reduction rights goals histories personally support reduction paint clinton gore unwitting tools stretching things kill costs polite churchill 
tapped code good organization university nebraska omaha distribution lines geoff ucla geoffrey kuenning writes amazes quick people blame administration current things possibly initiated chip years develop claiming clinton administration sneaked kidding recent post privacy clipper hope interested topic ends states clipper development years clinton monstrosity allowed door matter heard hope time voice extreme displeasure russell omaha trussell 
amendment passwords reply mccoy utexas mccoy organization university texas austin lines nntp posting host tramp utexas originator mccoy utexas article karn ampr phil karn writes article cmhnet stampfli writes sadly suspects compelled give handwriting voice exemplars blood tests mike correct point pretty administering truth serum ruled violation incriminate salient difference find salient difference number amendment related supreme court opinions court limits amendment protections call testimonial evidence opposed physical evidence question slight variation previously mentioned examples people give pointers couple years class college hope missing obvious basic scenario public encryption encryption files disk general setup designed users connect send private encrypted system public user public private keypair wrap time session keys encrypting files disk result reveal system private impossible gain access files stored machine revealed system private entice users revealing thier personal private keys authentication sequence questions fact system private provide information search give protection coerced reveal doubt providing system private assisting entrapment users send thier enticed hook user private enticement require wiretap approval answers general musings subject appreciated mccoy unix sysadmin tiger team mccoy utexas include mccoy finger request 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption distribution organization supercomputer computations research institute lines reply clipper ncsl nist message guess repository house keys keys safety deposit keys 
clipper sayers sound distribution organization boston university boston lines article amolitor nmsu andrew molitor writes archive insert comments liberally demonic memo brotherdom white house announcement screw thread standards announce american national standards institute authority define standard dimensions screw threads step outlawing screw thread specifications madness fought tooth nail step crime screw threads fearless leaders graciously define sarcastic text deleted judgement implied screw bill clinton totalitarianist thugs amolitor finger pgst personal screw thread pitch screw threads screw thread servers freed complain analogy completely irrelevant remembered remember move metric system years supposed government sold people easier tune rest world decided good plan released apparant government bunch thickies change railroad track widths signs screws abolish regime cost millions dollars point worry care designs cryptography designs screws system measurement back relax care molitor public keys finger request public archives sovereignty sign brutal past fight clinton wiretap chip crypto crime 
questions brother clipper summary thoughts questions clipper keywords clipper nntp posting host organization earth lectronic link sausalito lines previous postings hellman bellovin etal reported brother clipper chip encrypt plaintext blocks users derived diffy hellman encrypt plaintext form part message part message consists encrypted chip serial number part message encrypted question message dealing encrypted digitized voice application speech waveform sampled digitized number samples grouped block block encrypted transmitted secure communications link part message appended block header beginning session header beginning session insure equipment manufacturer chip manufacture products chip facility clearance required manufacture ideas 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx article rwing organization totally unorganized lines article strnlght david sternlight writes article holland colostate douglas craig holland writes trust richard nixon crypto keys wouldn president nixon private citizen nixon slightest interest president nixon miss implication richard nixon type president future distant future acutally mind object coming decision proposal clinton cripple decision proposal sprung start placing video cameras sound room house activated knowlege concealed location prevent covering lens opening slightest interest government official surely object proposal anology principle pretty close ability eavesdrop activity effort knowlege protected government safeguards draw curtains privacy brother protection drug dealers terrorists criminals enemies state unbreakable privacy sort press release clinton cripple decision puts find curious word unbreakable term difficult break proper authorization government disposal able break illegally naww people clinton mind give good reason algorithm secret algorithm encryption scheme joke features master back door unauthorized eavesdropping moderately secure government meant require proper court order keys escrow accounts able decipher traffic algorithm secret hear encryption scheme requires algorithm remain secret effective worthwhile scheme idle talk administration bullshitting great skepticism doubts administrations intentions wait told administration mind mail datafile security press release part comprehensive thing data security unprivileged citizens subjects term citizens implies free people subjects fits population serve pleasure rulers thing government longer citizens bosses anymore uucp prejudice myrto seattle fails uunet pilchuck rwing wisdom things infinite universe human stupidity albert einstien 
registering bodies distribution reply disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host kingbee watson organization watson research center lines article grant ncsc lynn grant writes trust registrar clipper chip halves trust mitre trust mitre reason remember cuckoo great security list turncoats make unknown scifi angmar 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow reply demon organization chaos lines newsreader archimedes readnews begin signed message article pmetzger shearson perry metzger writes article amanda amanda walker writes amanda amanda walker jhesse john hesse writes great wonderful news listen feds status worried feds tapping phone high school scanner surfers kicks eavesdropping cellular cordless phone calls political dissident scared shitless feds listening calls opinions sort disappeared slightly free society sort society years friends phones tapped theoretical status cryptophone companies cylink today work addition number groups working building software turn privacy enhanced phone working overdrive mode crypto restrictions lifted incrememental improvement applications crypto restrictions point maintain point missed covered cellphone scrambling system discussed incidentally responded questions issue appears approved countries secure encryption dodgy countries existing mobile equipment drop clear mode systems newer equipment clear depending capabilities base station cops feds able hold private listen cellular conversations encryption cellphone base station cellular users fixed installations talk cellular cellular calls transmission decrypted base station passed base station encrypted cops feds listen unscrambled call provided warrant cellular provider equipment reason wanting crackable system listen obtain warrant clipper system secure warrant escrow listen scanner route doubts true warrant phone judge appears drug dealer naturally stop listening reason scared shitless records mccarthy hoover edgar cleaner excelled sucking nixon paul begin signature version iqcvagubk asak pnaqevxgqaoxrviaggvpvrdlwzchbnqo yhunuj cvpx zvkhhjzkfs rrwejvhxegv xzsswvuzblvyqukgs blsuij afxalv gkkrvgtlxeypkvxfd hovumvnruc nocg signature 
screw people crypto hard core hackers spooks organization development canada disclaimer posting represents poster views lines suspect clipper thing backfire hurry expect products chips socket soldering keys handed escrow agencies chip garbage replaced expect compatible chip secure encryption possibly disguised clipper chip backdoor keys manufacture chip part marketing strategy subvert escrow agencies bribes industrial espionage publicize fact connected activities legal publicly discrediting escrow agencies creating market secure alternative reverse engineer clipper chip knowlege algorithm fairly widespread back doors weaknesses discredit scheme grow market demand secure alternative company alternative make friends community lots money government make plug replacements illegal expect success limiting availability alternatives limiting availability illicit drugs ameline ramblings employer necessarily advocate things events place 
amendment passwords organization swiss federal institute technology zurich lines article mccoy utexas mccoy writes public encryption encryption files disk general setup designed users connect send private encrypted system public user public private keypair wrap time session keys encrypting files disk result reveal system private impossible gain access files stored machine revealed system private entice users revealing thier personal private keys authentication sequence answers general musings subject appreciated question provider public service bound gurantee intelligble access data users police sufficent authorisation guessed basic condition systems time switzerland friendly germano caronni instruments register things designed register space infinite unknowns germano caronni caronni ethz 
technical details nntp posting host organization earth lectronic link lines objection occurred comment supposedly decode operated flat ridiculous millisecond fact build small number stop building make work clipper chip phones listening side recorded conversation specs posted offhand preclude sort thing robert bickford treasurer newsletter editor party marin county blame voted libertarian member state central committee 
cripple chip lines telco clipper telco intended partner call message decrypted reencrypted wihtout exchange stupid system feds great point crypto market clinton doen people sort crypto busch support technology initiative garbage pushing industrial policy stuff computer designed thing thing literal billions dollars government agency design watkins eecs 
tapped code good distribution organization kendall square research corp lines johnson steve johnson writes block busted regime remark heard beginning increasingly frightening significance comment made parts world democrats note socialists parts world european socialists fascist capitalist pigs head labels carefully announcement thing developing turkey years manufacturing contract months believes fact clinton white house announcement means bush republican staunch supporter personal privacy fool topic disturbs political finger pointing talk point fingers remember scheme started secret policeman president 
proposal police point view nntp posting host bottom magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article pmetzger writes article strnlght david sternlight writes extensive discussion forum inadmissible taps develop information lead admissible evidence stop things time time simple fishing expeditions things continue matter assurances escrow prove joke feel winston churchill privacy clipper extent escrow legitimate stop abuse wiretaps local cops company cops angry husbands wives hard keystone cops proctor gamble cops bypass product flawed clipjob admit hard pressed find good takes real crypto chip compatable brother makes illegal real crypto good honest abiding citizens happy government listen word crook president richard nixon information farming addr phone finger ohio state university jebright ohio state ebright mail 
amendment passwords organization forecast systems labs noaa boulder lines article caronni ethz germano caronni writes question provider public service bound gurantee intelligble access data users police sufficent authorisation guessed basic condition systems time switzerland sounds dragnet episode apartment prime suspect answered door landlord gave permission search apartment worked california understand landlords authority grant permission search space rented party provided lease default provide master shown search warrant subject search supposed notified point question user rent disk space encrypted file occupies fall body case applies apartments storage lockers court recognize fact compensation exchanged treated cyberspace equivalent bear giles bear noaa 
clipper algorithm secret organization forecast systems labs noaa boulder lines article danny bedlam writes algorithm classified military contract similar government equivalent military proprietary design feds developed patent patent publicly betting classified major change beast classified patent patents exist encourage communications develop state year lock nuisance historically pretty trivial industry doubles performance years months hardware years eternity thing applies civilian development patent declare trade secret mark software including proprietary code unpublished copyright exposed legal protection post berne required born copyrighted takes people learn rules bear giles bear noaa 
clipper chip bush organization motorola land mobile products sector distribution keywords bubba watching nntp posting host lines article bill stewart writes democrats version defend free speech reject republicans speech control works time bush administration working clinton simply credit blame depending john gilbert johng comm 
clipper chip technical summary distribution world organization georgetown university lines document summarizes clipper chip programming chip coupled generation escrow process enforcement decrypts communications speculation news group involvement project involved found briefed thursday evening april spent considerable time talking learn attended nist briefing department commerce april document result effort dorothy denning clipper chip technical summary dorothy denning april introduction april president announced initiative bring federal government industry voluntary program provide secure communications meeting legitimate enforcement heart plan tamper proof encryption chip called clipper chip split approach escrowing keys escrow agencies parts needed reconstruct chip structure clipper chip classified block encryption algorithm called skipjack algorithm keys compared rounds scrambling compared supports modes operation throughput mbits chip includes components skipjack encryption algorithm family common chips serial number secret unlocks messages encrypted chip encrypting chip chip imagine embedded telephone security device suppose call device pushing button start secure conversation security device negotiate session device general method exchange message stream digitized voice clipper chip produce values encrypted message stream enforcement block enforcement block session encrypted unit concatenated serial number encrypted family chip programming escrow clipper chips programmed inside scif secure computer information facility essentially vault scif laptop computer equipment program chips chips programmed single session scif located mikotronx beginning session trusted agent escrow agencies enters vault agent enters laptop agent enters values serve seeds generate keys sequence serial numbers generate unit serial number padded fixed block produce block keys triple encrypt producing block similarly padded blocks produce additional blocks computed concatenated giving bits bits assigned bits rest discarded unit parts separately escrowed escrow agencies sequence values generated written separate floppy disks disk file serial number part disk similar values disk unit keys agent takes disk agent takes disk disk program chips chips programmed information discarded vault agents leave laptop destroyed additional assurance information left protocol changed slightly people room provide seeds escrow agents disks back escrow agencies escrow agencies determined enforcement agency independent government enforcement enforcement authorized encrypted line warrant service provider order access communications line assume place determined line encrypted clipper decrypt enforcement block family warrant identifying chip serial number escrow agents back xored produce unit decrypted session finally message stream decrypted accomplished special black decoder operated acknowledgment distribution notice information based information provided nist permission distribute document granted 
clipper ranting libertarians keywords clipper clinton rant rave libertarians distribution local organization university arizona lines nntp posting host violet ccit arizona news software vnews reduce defense clipper based encryption technologies defending freedom expression free speech express form heart desires long impinge rights encrypted text sound video form expression text sound video digitized sound means expression sound streams continuous waveforms government encryption standards decided independent standards orgainizations apologies acronym note worked metric system independent entities consortia people industries area qualified standards government agency ascii character looked decided government hope helps folks formulate defenses working mine hope faxing congressmen hagberg hagberg arizona finger info public 
clipper make good cover encryption method originator kadie nntp posting host organization electronic frontier foundation lines clipper good cover layer encryption send encrypted message opponent encryption encryption method information clear clipper opponents sending clipper text clipper text encoded opponents clipper keys message double encrypted kind safety deposit lock replacements clipper front ends carl carl kadie represent kadie kadie uiuc 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption distribution organization totally unorganized lines article caltech finney writes brad brad templeton writes strategy business legal pushing standard place secret standard standard drive competitors market legal sell untapable encryption registered keys difficult plan phone companies brad analysis correct offer explanation encryption algorithm secret prevent competitors coming clipper compatible phones lack government installed back door strategy brad describes work long compatible phones government chips nice point view personal privacy brad turns long people power provide encryption place addition clipper privacy wording passages announcement makes doubt turn true brad turns accurate administration made clear vendors interests institute voluntary policy refusing sell clinton cripple equipped equipment authorized government agencies enforcement individuals corporations determined administration valid case case basis effective system note language control bills laws administration pushing supporting logic actual rationale opposed excuses media cases items technology question accident philosophy government rules controls people people controlling government unconnected citizens sophisticated government people idea commoner defend government eavesdropping unlawful attack totally unacceptable people outlook finney combine pushing national identity cards smart chips encode internal passport guise streamlining state people health care system jewels sees extremely ominous trend years late turning amazingly accurate prophecy people wake hurry warning light bell danger flag government seeks regard rights unconnected unprivileged citizen subject average person good secure system data security dependent nebulous safeguards maintaining security average person able defend agency rogue feds break data wanted work logic allowed good safe duplicate combination submitted safekeeping government difference philosophically encrypted data evaporate high tech tools tape recorder uucp prejudice myrto seattle fails uunet pilchuck rwing wisdom things infinite universe human stupidity albert einstien 
technical details organization computer science dept indiana university lines encrypted encrypted unit serial number unit added produce part message encrypted system producing serial number understanding encrypted called family decrypt held enforcement hand knowledge check sunday wait fact distinct components transmitted chip real message encrypted conventional serial number encrypted conventional encrypted imho kind bogus concept millions people changed reasonable family suppose analyze output chip able determine bits encrypted packet serial number session suppose design simple algorithm based information takes data encrypted session twiddles line mind thought dozen attacks imagine system designed manipulation information compliant receiving chip fail decrypt successfully parties agree advance kind consistent twiddling scheme decryption chip sees restored proper bitstream eavesdropper packet wrong suppose easily defeated chip sends information times slightly ways making effectively impossible information marc vanheyningen mvanheyn indiana mime ripem accepted theory predicts outcomes depending discrete mathematics continuous mathematics wrong theory bruce maclennan 
technical details organization partnership america free drug lines duke stephen tate writes people distrusts government turn taking word pairs pushing address issue back door intentionally visible distract visible perry metzger pmetzger laissez faire laissez passer monde meme 
escrow database organization partnership america free drug lines disturbing thought longer live days filing cabinets live electronic asked escrow database hard steal thing official operating tacit permission escrow houses pretend happen naive lets bytes escrow half lets asume bytes serial number fact serial number smaller order magnitude calculation assume population person gigabytes escrow databases fits conveniently single valuable exabyte tape easier time cares hold clipper keys country pocket tapes admittely safeguards database disk prehaps throw stumbling blocks keys needed hundreds thousands enforcement types convenience dictate system permit quick electronic retrieval point collusion agencies exabyte tapes dorothy denning david sternlight doubtless claim happen prayer word instance connotes realism exabyte tapes pocket hold keys person conversations country hands yeah master bytes information stored awful places copy database threat unlike contraversial political views foreign intelligence services david sternlight protect evil industrial espionage french apparently spying operation friendly countries industrial secrets completely irrational companies cryptosystems back doors left unexplained point threat foreign intelligence services moles agencies proof happened times someday hands fraction keys avoid sort thing pretend unauthorized hands escrow databases crypto types taught important beginning intro cryptography security depend easily changed pick system secret escrow databases sorts secrets teachers told sort secrets lump category imagine replace million clipper chips whomever realize smart made bones real world suspect precisely giving appearance safety continue surveil spite growth strong cryptography suspect realize things forever delay things long higher inevitable bureaucratic types rise organization scheme give people security subordinates fort meade wring hands foolishness perry metzger pmetzger laissez faire laissez passer monde meme 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization partnership america free drug distribution lines rlward ncsc robert ward writes article bontchev informatik hamburg writes constitutions guarantees american bear arms american entitled matter read applicable part constitution interpreted context posting misinterpretation refers people organize militia individuals carry handguns grenades assault rifles supreme court disagree stated people term refering individual explicitly mentioned amendment quote people term employed select parts constitution preamble declares constitution ordained established people amendment protects people bear arms supreme court uerdugo uriquidez miller decision permitted prosecution possession sawed shotgun defense presented testimony accepted argument government weapons military held amendment protected individual possess military weapons amendment case successfully court fifty years change interpretation appears disagree conclusion inescapable history concept wording amendment constitution united states interpretation major commentator court half century ratifi cation protected individual private citizen carry firearms peaceful manner report subcommittee constitution committee judiciary united states senate congress session february rightfully militias militia historical context basically means adult males country code defines militia armed militia comprised males physically capable acting concert common defense expected bearing arms supplied kind common time supreme court united states miller reason phrase explain rationale amendment depending people bear arms defense country centralization military power occur permit tyranny short government remain perpetually fear people free debarred arms strongest reason people retain bear arms resort protect tyranny government thomas jefferson proposal virginia constitution june thomas jefferson papers boyd country preserve liberties rulers warned time time people preserve spirit resistance arms tree liberty refreshed time time blood patriots tyrants thomas jefferson letter william smith jefferson democracy padover standing army rule people disarmed kingdom europe supreme power america enforce unjust laws sword body people armed constitute force superior bands regular troops pretense raised united states noah webster examination leading principles federal constitution pamphlets constitution united states ford disagree amendment repealed pretend argue conditions changed longer present imagine fill book detailed argumentation cryptography lets insist discussing talk politics guns people gladly discuss matter perry metzger pmetzger laissez faire laissez passer monde meme 
fighting clipper initiative organization metatron press human systems performance group austin newsreader rusnews lines steve digex steve brinich writes flaming libertarian paranoid extremist loss specific objections sound frighteningly technical idea foisting cripple chip standard manufacturers result sayonara high tech market technical difficult understand plays concern lots people worried expand feeling understand ocarina salesman metatron press austin texas door door laurie anderson human systems performance group 
clipper chip bush originator rdippold qualcomm keywords bubba watching nntp posting host qualcom qualcomm organization qualcomm diego distribution lines johng comm john gilbert writes works time bush administration working clinton simply credit blame depending initiative actual implementation clinton innocent bystander slap consulting extensive history individual rights advocacy people assuming back pledge espionage budget money bush wanted left body science science contesting 
tapped code good organization netcom line communication services guest newsreader distribution lines dave ihnat ignatz wrote article amolitor andrew molitor writes pick kind domino theory country falls neighbor surely follow mining salt siberia turning captain crunch secret decoder rings wrongness attempt correct vietnam domino theory disproved ironically domino theory fact reasonable metaphor collapse communism liberalizations poland hungary border crossings summer fall wall year ultimate collapse ussr timothy crypto anarchy encryption digital money tcmay anonymous networks digital pseudonyms knowledge reputations information markets aptos black markets collapse governments higher power public mailsafe 
source random bits unix workstation organization wimsey information services lines article mark riordan writes sources statistics filesystems easily quickly obtained output rusage system call exec finger favorite heavily systems seconds source code ripem ripem mark alternatives include output vmstat iostat pstat friends flags crash lots unpredicatble data crash output script moderately busy system crash proc stack callout socket vnode inode mbuf file buffer mark henderson markh ripem server finger mail ofpublickey cbeaf adafa 
white house public encryption management fact sheet originator news uoknor reply ngorelic usgs nntp posting host essex uoknor organization mercworks denver newsreader version lines alan barrett barrett wrote article clipper ncsl nist clipper chip announcement writes making decision intend prevent private sector developing government approving microcircuits algorithms equally effective assuring privacy secure escrow system making decision intend prevent private sector developing government approval microcircuits algorithms effective assuring privacy government approve government agencies sound form threat user develop encryption algorithm sing yeah dogs valvoline ngorelic usgs pretty damn good time life pain tells sell 
clipper cheap security organization partnership america free drug lines amanda amanda walker writes answer obvious wouldn hardware compromised triple encrypted cellular phone cost personally cylink stuff budget personal clipper chip cheap crypto masses thing building back doors special engineering construct good system standard codec chip chip vocoding chip integrated modem module small processor glue work secure phone dump fast processor integration single chip future cheap crypto good government clipper chip needing compromised white house releases stuff good people privacy note give privacy capability commercial hardware government stop qualcomm designed strong encryption cdma cellular phone system pioneering company cheap encryption systems trick book stop cheap secure phones making cheap crypto keeping cheap crypto people hands hand clipper chip mess pottage prize traded birthright birthright safety foreigners read conference papers strong cryptography safety professional terrorists suspect cryptosystems open market work fine idiots bombed trade center cheaper crypto market provided deliberately sabotaged social contract exchange giving strong cryptography perry metzger pmetzger laissez faire laissez passer monde meme 
clipper make good cover encryption method nntp posting host organization university maryland college park lines article kadie carl kadie writes clipper good cover layer encryption true traditional encryptions schemes encrypted clipper vulnerable attacks partially plaintext thomas 
screw people crypto hard core hackers spooks organization elec univ natal durban africa lines nntp posting host lucy article jhart rain hart writes wiretap chip distributed internationally allowing government foreign governments companies people wiretap domestic citizens world wide issue distribution world distrubution line distribution keywords case sensitive distribution world distribution line world capital letters wrong alan barrett dept electronic univ natal durban south africa barrett 
escrow database organization netcom line communication services guest newsreader lines perry metzger pmetzger shearson wrote disturbing thought good stuff elided pretend unauthorized hands escrow databases secret escrow databases sorts secrets teachers told sort secrets lump category imagine replace million clipper chips sounds great gimmick replacement market issue clipper alert announcing backup tapes missing drug lords owners clipperphones trot local escrow agency chips programmed microtoxin clipper supplier make killing real idea janet reno stock microtoxin vlsi technology good opportunity undermine disinformation float rumors database stolen chips replacing angers people undermines confidence kills sales waco massacre brother wiretap chip tactic fair timothy crypto anarchy encryption digital money tcmay anonymous networks digital pseudonyms knowledge reputations information markets aptos black markets collapse governments higher power public mailsafe 
tapped code good organization celestial software mercer island distribution lines strnlght david sternlight writes article holland colostate douglas craig holland writes note measures protect tempest surveillance classified inaccurate tempest equipment commercially macs tempest approved money reason type pricing years tempest rating raise price radio shack model bill internet bill bill campbell celestial software uucp thebes camco bill east mercer uunet camco bill mercer island speed costs money fast 
screw people crypto hard core hackers spooks organization massachusetts institute technology lines nntp posting host achates article ameline ameline writes reverse engineer clipper chip knowlege algorithm fairly widespread chip algorithm classified reverse engineer people jail foreign governments corporations cracking system government stop importation clone hardware software implementation practical john carr 
clipper cheap security lines pmetzger shearson perry metzger government stop qualcomm designed strong encryption cdma cellular phone system pioneering company cheap encryption systems trick book stop cheap secure phones impossible approval attach crypto device phone network plugs phone sockets approved reason crypto devices wondering time market good fashion acoustic coupler technology build secure phone mask real voice strays mouthpiece sealed coupler attachment blocked white noise generator muffle real speech 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow lines cops feds able hold private listen cellular conversations encryption cellphone base station cellular users fixed installations talk cellular cellular calls transmission decrypted base station passed base station encrypted cops feds listen unscrambled call provided warrant cellular provider equipment reason wanting crackable system listen obtain warrant clipper system secure warrant escrow listen scanner route doubts true warrant phone judge appears drug dealer naturally stop listening true paul fairly talking building encryption phones chip cellular suggest 
screw people crypto hard core hackers spooks organization open communications forum lines wiretap chip scheduled distributed internationally allowing government foreign governments companies people wiretap domestic citizens world wide issue distribution world ygoland seas ucla jester writes assuming encrypt things cares clipper chip hackers care clipper chip give shit privacy accept smart talking wiretap phone find call computer ideas reflect attitude ideas hackers real world good including voice phones concerned alternative bugged telephones talking inexpensive telephones including hand sized cellulars strong crypto real privacy make shift computer hacker rigs require living computer talk privately phone dumb stunt privacy real world true privacy chip real time voice encryption silicon compile spit asic chip market facto standard international business diplomats private communications bans make import japanese german dutch taiwanese korean electronics companies spying workers lose jobs government fascist stupidity jhart rain 
screw people crypto hard core hackers spooks organization cygnus support cambridge lines nntp posting host tweedledumb cygnus reply jhart rain message date jhart rain hart simply attitude people attitude hard core computer hackers make phone calls computer yeards talkig solve problem 
fighting clipper initiative organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex flaming libertarian paranoid extremist loss specific objections sound frighteningly technical idea foisting cripple chip standard manufacturers result sayonara high tech market technical difficult understand plays concern lots people worried expand simple choice american manufacturers peddling cripple chips secret untested algorithm keys held people history untrustworthy behavoir japanese pick obvious manufacturers peddling encryption chips algorithm faced public scrutiny keys control user choose american government deny choice american citizens glorious success drugs global market 
amendment passwords reply caronni ethz message reply pmetzger organization lehman brothers lines article caronni ethz germano caronni writes question provider public service bound gurantee intelligble access data users police sufficent authorisation guessed basic condition systems time switzerland obliged police search equipment proper court order legal obligation data intelligble data encrypted police show read problem legal restrictions domestic cryptography united states perry metzger pmetzger laissez faire laissez passer monde meme 
facinating facts serial number possibly fixed reply denning georgetown message reply pmetzger organization lehman brothers lines denning georgetown vidkun abraham lauritz quisling writes chip includes components skipjack encryption algorithm family common chips serial number secret unlocks messages encrypted chip hmm thirty serial number told unit derived deterministically serial number means billion unit keys generate unit serial number padded fixed block produce block keys triple encrypt producing block similarly padded blocks produce additional blocks computed concatenated giving bits bits assigned bits rest discarded unit parts separately escrowed escrow agencies hmm assume generating unit serial number generating randomly selected intentional assuring fail safe government completedly determined change constitute effective master keys theft possession authorities completely obviates security system interestingly fact fixed matter keyspace pick random interesting restriction space provide additional back door find disturbing security dependant approximately bytes worth information written back napkin change periodically rationale restriction size keyspace strange assuming goal security makes perfect sense goal illusion security change remain secret back derived unit serial number pairs assured happen understands skipjack works government officials foreign intelligence services gain information espionage eventually information reverse engineering advanced year time late sequence values generated written separate floppy disks disk file serial number part disk similar values disk unit keys agent takes disk agent takes disk disk program chips chips programmed information discarded vault agents leave laptop destroyed additional assurance information left makes feel secure silly notion destroying laptop appears bizarre distraction read data dram turned moments hand generate unit keys place weaken system agents question resist million cash piece information worth hundreds million make bribe arbitrarily hard resist truth vault random tempest shielded room laptop computer melodrama designed make high school dropouts peoria impressed rest protocol changed slightly people room provide seeds escrow agents disks back escrow agencies provide lets escrow agencies aclu agents personally back disks honest cares laughing loud algorithm regenerate steal keys effectively perry metzger pmetzger laissez faire laissez passer monde meme 
shelf cheap keyseach machine corporate acceptance wiretap chip summary fort meade lots compute power nntp posting host bottom magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article lewis toronto david lewis writes article missouri john kelsey writes strnlght david sternlight writes stuff deleted trust confidential information encryption scheme cracked time hundred complaints cost million dollars build keysearch machine keysearch machine shelf approx sold circuit emulation machine quickturn bunch fpgas program search engine lets chips running tests time weeks weeks average wait long bigger machine brother afford things times tight budgets folks noticed dorothy trust denning gave real clue current state decrypto machines told holder part doubt trapdoor skipjack doubt promote mass market chip compromise ergo capable compromising brute force keysearch engines complexity skipjack specs thousands chips chugging crypto busters tens thousands complexity machines fort meade idea keys information farming addr phone finger ohio state university jebright ohio state ebright mail support privacy support encryption 
tapped code good nntp posting host bottom magnus ohio state organization ohio state university distribution lines article rubin beckman arthur rubin writes strnlght david sternlight writes happy crypto system supplied business told secure resistant attempts japanese french competitive companies governments break nist supposed activity crypt past days supprised missed nist skipjack trust president stated trap doors happier committee independent experts examined thing seal secrecy reported back secure trust trust president told crook president richard nixon information farming addr phone finger ohio state university jebright ohio state ebright mail support privacy support encryption 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption lines brad brad templeton assume moment system secure halves encryption independent escrow houses trust escrow houses aclu joking names trust honest organisation deeply infiltrated britain dozen years members stole complete address list hard person sneak copy escrow data disk 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption lines bred wrote means track customer lists encryption phones reason person evade police track customer lists digitally listen phone line eliminate clipper header signature modulated standard easily recognisable baudrate devices scan exchanges detect modems exist advertised trade press eliminate crippled crypto devices ordinary data modems left crypto worth closely guess substitute scheme fast disguise start data effect chip make private crypto stand sore thumb 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow keywords encryption wiretap clipper escrow mykotronx reply bontchev informatik hamburg organization virus test center university hamburg lines uucp myrto writes mind give good reason algorithm secret algorithm encryption scheme joke features master back door unauthorized eavesdropping couple algorithm easy produce compatible crippled chips provide real encryption privacy keys users hands skipjack symmetric cypher agree session released information protocol theoretical point view true practical point view chips kind exchange protocol built good producer lots bucks keeping details secret avoided vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center university hamburg fachbereich informatik vogt koelln strasse mail bontchev informatik hamburg hamburg germany 
amendment passwords organization brought numbers reply pmetzger shearson message nntp posting host rainier lines article caronni ethz germano caronni writes question provider public service bound gurantee intelligble access data users police sufficent authorisation guessed basic condition systems time switzerland laws covering bbss common carriers phone companies private machines services operated businesses obligation records perry metzger points police search warrant warrant demands exists generally confiscate equipment evidence constitutionally valid beginning develop court cases supporting court able compel information encryption password disk definitive cases situation laws specifically covering court force keys laws preventing allowing users keys files giving areas established uncertainty idaho years business records subpoenaed evidence taxes business restriction gave court records hebrew laws forcing records english originals records speak hebrew court organization able illegal deny access potential customers based race religion national origin gender sexual preference tested court plausible extension anti discrimination laws affecting businesses pray peace bill bill stewart bell labs holmdel jersey work cyberspace white house commect line 
reason clipper secrecy reply tuinstra clarkson organization microsystems lines nntp posting host signal clarkson apologies posting clipper newsfeed reason good point view horrible algorithm chip design secret note experts details algorithm addition respected experts government offered access confidential details algorithm assess capabilities publicly report findings chip design possiblity addition encryption chip processes voice signals make easier analyze transcribe electronically chip widespread effectively part massively parallel computer voice grepping phone network criminal wrong thinking patrons thereof past easier make life case public outcry widely secrecy good idea experts voice recognition conversation understanding panel insist authenticatable design specs implementation documentation dwight tuinstra tuinstra clarkson tolerable tuinstrd camp clarkson doin 
facinating facts serial number possibly fixed organization development canada disclaimer posting represents poster views lines hmm assume generating unit serial number generating randomly selected intentional assuring fail safe government completedly determined change constitute effective master keys theft possession authorities completely obviates security system interestingly fact fixed matter keyspace pick random interesting restriction space provide additional back door find disturbing security dependant approximately bytes worth information written back napkin change periodically rationale restriction size keyspace strange assuming goal security makes perfect sense goal illusion security change remain secret back derived unit serial number pairs assured happen understands skipjack works government officials foreign intelligence services gain information espionage eventually information reverse engineering advanced year time late trusted escrow agencies agencies trusted aclu interesting hope physical process random numbers numbers trap door drive truck makes feel secure cpsr atleats starting question bogosity april washington computer professionals call public debate government encryption initiative computer professionals social responsibility cpsr today called public disclosure technical data underlying government newly announced public encryption management initiative cryptography scheme announced today white house national institute standards technology nist implement technical specifications plan nist spokesman acknowledged national security agency super secret military intelligence agency developed encryption technology initiative built nist technical specifications presidential directive establishing plan classified open initiative public review debate cpsr today filed series freedom information foia requests agencies including nist national security council information relating encryption plan cpsr requests keeping spirit computer security congress passed order open development military computer security standards public scrutiny limit role creation standards cpsr previously questioned role developing called digital signature standard communications authentication technology nist proposed government wide cpsr sued nist foia lawsuit year civilian agency disclosed time fact developed security standard file papers federal court week justifying classification records creation david sobel cpsr legal counsel called administration apparent commitment privacy electronic communications reflected today official statement step direction questioned propriety role process apparent secrecy shielded development process public scrutiny time moving development information infrastructure vital standards designed protect personal privacy established openly full public participation agency long tradition secrecy opposition effective civilian cryptography play leading role development process cpsr national public interest alliance computer industry professionals dedicated examining impact technology society cpsr chapters maintains offices palo alto california cambridge massachusetts washington additional information cpsr call mail ameline 
stray thought technical details organization kansas state university lines nntp posting host bohr phys steven bellovin writes date denning georgetown dorothy denning clipper chip secret crypto algorithm embedded algorithm operates blocks chip supports modes operation algorithm rounds scrambling compared years millions chips networked sounds good science fiction story government crack foreign messages public individually buying components installing covered largest parallel computer world built current phone suppress freedom quinn order john lindsay quinnbob bitnet 
list large integer arithmetic packages organization michigan state university lines nntp posting host scss summary functions arbitrary precision arith newsreader version file bignums ripem updated april response email requests assembled list large integer arithmetic packages heard function libraries source form convenience copies ripem anonymous directory bignum current version cases order multiple precision package unixes multiple precision package accessed flag compiler exponentiation sqrt sunos mach mach object code pari henri cohen universite bordeaux paris france multiple precision desk calculator library routines optimized assembly code motorola semi optimized code sparc apparently slow generic version integers reals vectors matrices scalars number advanced functions heard weber function factorization function primality test related stuff plenty documentation public domain distribute modified versions anonymous math ucla specific versions addition filename pari arithmetic global fields arith kevin coombes david grant package routines arbitrary precision integers polynomials finite fields includes basic source code distributed terms public license includes pages documentation filename arith arbitrary precision math library lloyd zusman gatos package supports basic radix points integers polished posted comp sources misc october filename apml bignum vuillemin inria france distributed digital equipment paris research decprl portable efficient arbitrary precision integer package code generic kernel assembly kernels intel mips pyramid packages type implements logical operations signed unsigned arithmetic email librarian receive shell archives give postal address receive printed documentation france package includes documentation publicly commercial removed archive heard rumor distribute bignum distributed part ecpp lenstra package arjen lenstra bellcore portable unsigned integer package written includes exponentiation primality testing sqrt random number generator package uncommented undocumented comments packages works portable benchmarks code clever lenstra accomplished number theorist unlike packages requires allocate storage statically problem numbers huge arjen code public domain filename lenstra lenstra arjen lenstra bellcore improved version arjen package signed arithmetic dynamic allocation turned option routines lenstra minor bugfixes previously lenstra lenstra filename lenstra brent multiple precision brent vintage fortran code extended precision floating fixed point arithmetic includes mathematical functions find fortran time library code algorithm number obtain send mail message netlib line send start kannan alagappan joseph tardo huge prototype public authentication system based mention heard correctly guessed large integer package inform large integer package bignum france beta test copy testing expire date expired antti multiple precision antti louko multiple precision integer package includes random sqrt commercial package 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theoretical functions included ubasic digits precision anonymous shape ohio state simtel army wuarchive wustl calc unknown language infinite precision nice intrinsic functions ervin bitnet reports problems changing precision simtel wuarchive briggs arith keith briggs kbriggs maths turbo pascal source routines multiple precision sqrt factoring rand integers includes rand rational numbers filename briggs arith institute experimentelle mathematik gerhard schneider fast multiple precision subroutine library contact bitnet info postal address institute experimentelle mathematik ellernstr essen germany longint markus mueller mueller ethz multi precision arithmetic written modula time critical parts written assembler includes basic arithmetics arithmetics modulo number additional module collection procedures primality testing multiplicative inverse package part privacy enhanced mail package includes mailer generator certificate generation tools source modula assembler longint ported logitech modula turbo assembler availability free university research education source license required obtain write email markus mueller bertastrasse dietikon switzerland email mueller ethz bignum henrik johansson comm bignum package written portable future conform common lisp functions handles integers includes exponentiation exptmod comparison random numbers filename bignum multiple precision free software foundation multiple precision package looked current april recent version time read package widely sites filename elliptic curve primality proving francois morian france large package prove primality prime includes inria bignum package obtained inria filename ecpp pretty good privacy philip zimmermann ucar intel based crypto package includes bignum routines fast intel processors unix versions crypto package violates patents bignum routines fear legal repercussions bell arbitrary precision calculator david bell australia dbell necisa arbitrary precision calculator good online language builtin functions support integers rational numbers work floating point complex numbers matrices strings lists files objects includes primality testing trig functions recommended large package obtained comp sources unix filename calc built support languages multiple precision arithmetic number programming languages lisp mcsun perl larry wall devvax nasa includes source perl package suitable source code list long pursue aggressively vielmetti contributed list mark riordan 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization computing research lines distribution nntp posting host lole nmsu reply clipper ncsl nist message noticed clipper chip development considerably longer months clinton president choosing choosing bush clinton changed slightest works time 
facinating facts serial number possibly fixed lines pmetzger shearson perry metzger denning georgetown vidkun abraham lauritz quisling writes chip includes components skipjack encryption algorithm family common chips serial number secret unlocks messages encrypted chip hmm thirty serial number told unit derived deterministically serial number means billion unit keys hell worse make million serial numbers handed random start work call space 
clipper chip technical details nntp posting host organization cambridge computer lines article steven bellovin writes secure device public keys secret chips share myname yourname date bidzos reported cheesed ross 
tapped code good organization distribution lines mail break encryption call tempest trucks read electromagnetic emmisions computer terminal note measures protect independently invent half dozen head studied advanced good system monitor similar type scrolling gibberish adjacent provide reasonable resistance tempest attacks stampfli cmhnet neat thing standards radio choose 
registration idea organization lines article digex peter wayner writes leads conjecture system vulnerable simple phone swapping attacks doubt practical implementation proposal place onus individual register keys realistically clipper chip emit code serve identifier requesting fragments chip manufacturer register identifier code combination chip made uninitiated user remain completely loop chip cellular phone modem device makes difference authorities detect encryption standard surveillance capture apply order decrypt data stampfli cmhnet neat thing standards radio choose 
tapped code good organization cooperative computing distribution lines uucp myrto writes clinton clipper good note bill clinton design implementation reasoning chip moves made chip pawn remember elect president united states case republicans immediately pack bags replaced team fresh young democrats government appointed hired elected clipper device production months foundation elected democratic executive body suggest attack clinton ballistic reagardless proposed thing step gradual erosion rights constitution bill rights couple decades stop series runs protections constitution stop good time late allready fallen chicken uucp prejudice myrto seattle fails uunet pilchuck rwing wisdom things infinite universe human stupidity albert einstien 
fight clipper chip subvert replace reply marc isis distribution organization thibault friends lines article jester writes proof windows virus widespread eats disk space slows computer takes control computer performs disk access random times displays silly messages screen randomly crashes computer vesselin sounds version unix solaris 
spoofing clipper serial number distribution organization loral rolm spec computers lines secrecy clipper chip serial number clipper chip encrypted system transmitted part part message protocol recovered differential analysis postulate chip logic sitting clipper chip communications channel purpose chip twofold transmit channel spoof chip xors encrypted serial number secondary keying variable renders serial number unrecoverable system recieve channel spoof chip xors incoming encrypted serial number secondary keying variable assuming serial number local operation result hiding serial number interesting number serial numbers issued large making difficult distinguish valid serial numbers spoofed serial number knowing system serial number risk detection system encryption algorithm successfully lower probability detection emulating format serial number makes whats hidden secrecy prevent lying 
large commercial keys organization ohio state university dept electrical engineering lines typical sizes keys commercial secret algorithms bits tripple bits idea bits made keys larger keys heard scaled arbitrarily large keys implemented finally concieve time place keys sufficient trillion keys billion years search billionth keys space dane 
clipper cheap security organization intercon systems corporation herndon lines distribution world reply amanda amanda walker nntp posting host chaos intercon newsreader intercon connect pmetzger shearson perry metzger writes clipper chip cheap crypto masses thing building back doors agree cylink expensive game town note cylink great boss double salary bunch stuff thing clipper offers interoperability higher degree security proprietary voice encryption systems means cheaper proprietary scheme easier deploy feature depending special engineering construct good system standard codec chip chip vocoding chip integrated modem module small processor glue work secure phone great note clipper increases incentive bring stronger encryption mass market overpriced moment cheap crypto good government care care interoperate government stop qualcomm designed strong encryption cdma cellular phone system pioneering company cheap encryption systems trick book stop cheap secure phones build long export restriction firmly oppose thing stopping people making cheap encryption greed lock market making cheap crypto keeping cheap crypto people hands hand clipper chip mess pottage prize traded birthright trust farther deserves clipper phone substitute cylink phone substitute voice scramblers advertised back radio electronics cheaper crypto market provided deliberately sabotaged disagree modulo itar government sabotaged market social contract exchange giving strong cryptography amanda walker intercon systems corporation 
clipper considered harmful organization optilink corporation petaluma lines clipper cellular phones legal proscriptions cipher systems phones potentially dangerous class crime created criminals badly inscrutable tactical communications specifically terrorists drug dealers proponents escrow cite threats highly motivated steal cipher phone legitimate user kill person hold hostage discovery compromise device delayed suitable collection devices stolen criminals communicate impunity assuming cipher system carries trapdoors escrow compromise discovered means life cheap criminals kill people steal large conspicuous property luxury cars reasonable assume kill people steal small inconspicuous property cipher cellular phone past blue technology present modified cellular phones expect high stakes criminals lucrative market stolen cipher phones days high stakes criminals life cheap types substantial amounts stolen instruments person typically discovered missing dead days stolen instrument usable days continuing demand fresh phones fresh bodies words clipper similar systems potential turn current inconvenience enforcement direct vicious persistent threat general public hand criminal apply arbitrary cipher device ciphered network communication stand unusual worthy means investigation finally essentially possibility intercepting realtime scrutable content communications stolen instruments exist strong motivation record archive communications network post facto scrutiny criminal discovered instruments involved identified recording archiving feasible wireline networks feasible limited bandwidth radio networks existence recordings open vast potential abuse brad yearwood brad uunet pyramid optilink brad petaluma 
tapped code good organization ohio state university dept electrical engineering distribution lines article cmhnet stampfli writes mail break encryption call tempest trucks read electromagnetic emmisions computer terminal note measures protect independently invent half dozen head studied advanced good system wouldn monitor similar type scrolling gibberish adjacent provide reasonable resistance tempest attacks video games pinball machines supposed work pretty good blocking eavesdropping things noise back read computer companies putting bunches games buildings purpose mention dane 
security clipper organization network systems rockwell santa barbara lines article zeev amdahl wurman writes discussions clipper security irrelevant choose chosen foundry security universe users good security vlsi technologies handlers trivial effort ciphertext agains keys manufactured talking million keys manufactured depositories secure incorruptible cares depositories irrelevant order applicable enformcement agencies able keys request escrow system squawk serial number clear text part link establishment protocol owns program assigns keys serial number access depository words court ordered release escrowed keys keys chip manufactured escrow keys relations enforment agencies strained long history trading favors establish important agency give untraceable encryption leaks court orders affair fouler smells engineered backdoor lars poulsen smts software engineer internet mail lars network products rockwell telephone santa barbara telefax 
screw people crypto hard core hackers spooks organization intercon systems corporation herndon lines distribution world reply amanda amanda walker nntp posting host chaos intercon newsreader intercon connect jhart rain hart writes care people lied fooled believing chip privacy fact wiretaps give privacy absolute privacy announcement front allowing wiretaps fooling smart talking wiretap chip phone privacy chip private keys interoperate talk cylink phone clipper phone expect multiprotocal phones indicators kind link encryption alternative bugged telephones talking inexpensive telephones including hand sized cellulars strong crypto real privacy start company build capitalist economy true privacy chip real time voice encryption silicon compiler spit asic chip market facto standard international business diplomats private communications agree amanda walker intercon systems corporation 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization netcom line communication services guest newsreader distribution lines dunning wrote noticed clipper chip development considerably longer months clinton president choosing choosing bush clinton changed slightest works time noted noted program started years contracts vlsi technology microtoxin months production chips underway claimed clinton intitiated program chose ahead timothy crypto anarchy encryption digital money tcmay anonymous networks digital pseudonyms knowledge reputations information markets aptos black markets collapse governments higher power public mailsafe 
clipper business usual article organization cascade design automation lines notwithstanding legitimate fuss proposal change product area priced suspect clipper phones customer automatically preregistered government authorities attempting legitimize solidify posture clipper direction technology eventually drive cost promote widespread present street purchase crypto telephone missing real question year tight voice privacy phone line close nearest problematic scenario extent usage surpasses underground stature berry cdac rjberry 
tapped code good organization university california berkeley lines distribution nntp posting host hijack berkeley article holland colostate douglas craig holland writes mail break encryption call tempest trucks read electromagnetic emmisions computer terminal note measures protect tempest surveillance classified note tempest shielding standard tempest surveillance technique shirriff shirriff berkeley disclaimer heard crypt true guarantee wrong 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization intercon systems corporation herndon lines distribution world reply amanda amanda walker nntp posting host chaos intercon newsreader intercon connect gtoal graham toal writes effect chip make private crypto stand sore thumb amanda walker intercon systems corporation 
clipper make good cover encryption method reply kadie message nntp posting host spectre mitre organization mitre corp bedford lines article kadie carl kadie writes clipper good cover layer encryption making custom equipment case roll clipper implementation report wrong keys escrow agency tells chip business thing hide verify phone registered serial number court ordered wiretap judge individual privacy keys court ordered wiretap phone series part scary expectation chips batch seeds based serial number keys batch give access backdoor messages deciphered keys find threatening scheme open plaintext attacks decipher data header talk phones automatically negotiated generated decipher record conversation plaintext recover backdoor represented header header conversations participate worse phones series related keys phone chip production recover keys elegantly talking brute force analysis actual chip apply generation process seeds find target keys hmm close phones starting good cans string provide security robert eachus standard disclaimer standard disclaimer function message text clever ideas return ideas 
tempest tapped organization management graphics lines douglas craig holland holland colostate writes mail break encryption call tempest trucks read electromagnetic emmisions computer terminal note measures protect tempest surveillance classified steiner utoledo jason steiner writes displays vulnerable tempest high voltage type display devices vulnerable crts plasma displays jason beat question radiation voltage items displays critical element driver circuitry cabling portable noise bunched tiny area 
shelf cheap keyseach machine corporate acceptance wiretap chip organization bell laboratories lines article jebright ohio state james ebright writes doubt trapdoor skipjack doubt promote mass market chip compromise ergo capable compromising brute force keysearch engines complexity skipjack specs thousands chips chugging crypto busters tens thousands complexity machines fort meade idea keys thousands tens thousands arithmetic skipjack keys assume brute force engine hypothesized microsecond trial million chips trials years trials chips running trial nanosecond build machine million chips years solution idea keys bother calculations hint multiply years idea speed setup takes long surprised case skipjack knowing feasible technology modern chips crack skipjack idea doubt idea strong cryptosystem exhaustive search 
tapped code good organization university north carolina asheville distribution lines article felixg felix gallo writes uucp myrto writes clinton clipper good note bill clinton design implementation reasoning chip move political bickering group brad kepley internet kepley phys unca work days voice 
clipper considered harmful reply bontchev informatik hamburg organization virus test center university hamburg lines brad brad yearwood writes criminals badly inscrutable tactical communications specificall terrorists drug dealers proponents escrow cite threats highly motivated steal cipher phone legitimate user kill person hold hostage discovery compromise device delayed rough manner professional steal chip phone replace compatible chip encrypt chances victim notice professionally suitable collection devices stolen criminals communicate impunity assuming cipher system carries trapdoors escrow compromise discovered means feds able decrypt conversations true blame wrong drugs arrive tommorrow ship terminus feds listening identify speaker criminals secure encryption proposal stop criminals ensures government able wiretap average citizen stops casual snooper step outlawing strong encryption devices vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center university hamburg fachbereich informatik vogt koelln strasse mail bontchev informatik hamburg hamburg germany 
large commercial keys reply bontchev informatik hamburg organization virus test center university hamburg lines butzerd ohio state dane butzer writes finally concieve time place keys sufficient depends algorithm secret keys definitively secure vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center university hamburg fachbereich informatik vogt koelln strasse mail bontchev informatik hamburg hamburg germany 
screw people crypto hard core hackers spooks organization partnership america free drug lines john carr writes article ameline ameline writes reverse engineer clipper chip knowlege algorithm fairly widespread chip algorithm classified reverse engineer people jail lawyer completely utterly untrue country thing called constitution legitimately aquire device government employee encumbered stop revealing device determine remember pentagon papers precedent amendment applies official secrets laws punish revealing classified information learned capacity government official contractor laws prohibit stealing information sell chip make reverse engineering revealing details illegal perry metzger pmetzger laissez faire laissez passer monde meme 
work text white house announcement clipper chip encryption lines marc vanheyningen majority discussion involving clipper chip pertain encryption telephone conversations means chip designed work primarily analog signals language sort suggests hard bucks data data parallel suspect make phone codec speech compression loss bandwidth speech signal suspect scupper suggestions putting encryption front hint modulation scheme docs purely digital chip back positive left manufacturers modulation scheme make easy possibility intended isdn phones puts spin effs obsession isdn true bwahahaha 
tapped code good originator gtoal demon nntp posting host pizzabox demon reply graham toal organization cuddlehogs anonymous distribution lines article uucp myrto writes clinton clipper good make algrithm public people exchange ideas examine isolated respected experts respected professor likes banks selected experts expand ideas person advocating recall completely baffled dorothy denning chosen throw academic respectability major career limiting move people landed cooperation design propoganda stages care 
clipper chip lines mckinnon lurked math unknown found interesting thought post article found saturday april toronto star clipper chip protect privacy politics dirty pool classic administration working long time parallel announcement techies hitting press propoganda magazines byte scientific american ready written government slanted story issue pages spare boys give copy time presses names industry write argued pieces proposal call facto announcement magazines damage worth folks archiving discussions announcement arguments fingertips write good piece carries clout guarantee publication phil parker mitch kapor 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow lines gtoal ibmpcug graham toal writes reading lines david strong hints angling nren honestly hint sophisticated encryption technology years protect electronic funds transfer protect electronic mail computer files encryption hint technology companies protect proprietary information protect privacy personal phone conversations prevent unauthorized release data transmitted electronically time technology preserves privacy citizens including employ voice data encryption business purposes ability authorized officials access telephone calls data proper court legal order protect citizens hint administration committed working private sector spur development national information infrastructure telecommunications computer technologies give americans unprecedented access information infrastructure high speed networks information superhighways transmit video images hdtv programming huge data files easily today telephone system transmits voice hint encryption technology play increasingly important role infrastructure federal government quickly develop consistent comprehensive policies conceivable meaning applying technology computer network intend exclusion means encryption disagree reason standards place restrict encryption nren cares internet commercial nren geovernment university research read proposals data superhighway cray users internet point wrong back wait find late listen carefully permitted network shoe drop 
secret source announcement organization mount holyoke college lines distribution world nntp posting host orixa mtholyoke article marc marc horowitz writes asked asked computer telnet csrc ncsl nist connected csrc ncsl nist escape character sendmail nist ready expn clipper closing connection connection closed interesting dorothy denning mitch kapor interesting smtp server csrc ncsl nist longer recognizes expn vrfy commands telnet csrc ncsl nist smtp connected csrc ncsl nist escape character sendmail nist ready expn clipper command unrecognized sombody snooping marc jurgen botz jbotz vending machines respond finger south hadley request list items unix dead long live unix purchase 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption originator rdippold qualcomm nntp posting host qualcom qualcomm organization qualcomm diego distribution lines dunning writes noticed clipper chip development considerably longer months clinton president choosing choosing bush clinton changed slightest works time doubts ahead bush president puzzling people apparently amazed clinton lincoln play 
registration body bites dust imho organization yale mail news gateway lines candidates suggested registration body aclu poor choice aclu essentially group auditors audit people civil liberties administered traditionally auditors involved design operational aspects things good reason systems programmer infuriated auditors implementation stunk security point view figured critcize work problem stint auditor found real reason auditors recommend solutions puts position criticize implementation auditee told compromises independence part auditor taking case hand suppose aclu half registrar suppose error aclu part half shouldn deprive civil liberties aclu wind court time side defendant plaintiff easy position exceptions complete independence auditors place worked payroll checks printed signed automatically signature drum bursting machine drum auditors check stock brought data processing time checks difference situation registration situation fairly obvious time payroll checks yesterday today able produce yesterday checks destroyed determining requests halves legit trickier process prone mistakes aclu protecting client versus protecting aclu conflict interest opinions lynn grant grant ncsc 
shelf cheap keyseach machine corporate acceptance wiretap chip organization department mathematics lines nntp posting host moink nmsu article steven bellovin writes responding claims skipjack cracking engines thousands tens thousands arithmetic skipjack keys assume brute force engine hypothesized microsecond trial million chips trials years trials chips running trial nanosecond build machine million chips years solution point mystical engines plaintext engines smart hardware plaintext digitized voice exists short time couple inches copper tops flatly office hear voice digitize bitstream horribly naive suppose regular folks figure crack skipjack clipper based telephones devoting great deal thought andrew molitor 
estimating wiretap costs benefits nntp posting host jabberwock nasa organization nasa information sciences division lines attempting write policy paper examining proposed wiretap clipper chip cost effective tool police investigation ignoring concerns government intrusions individual privacy easy wiretaps investigators greater cost communications industry customers support wiretap technology rough estimate suggests wiretaps worth million dollars year enforcement agencies wiretaps arrests total police expenditures billion million arrests statistical abstracts working estimating wiretap benefit accurately hardware experts estimating costs proposed wiretap technology send quotable citeable estimates chips made year phones wiretap chips cost make chip cost develop technology place supporting hardware people cost chip percentage cheaper encryption chips support private enterprise compete meet customer encryption percentage phone traffic proposed enforcement blocks total cost handling phone traffic year question police agency wanted wiretap charged share full social cost forcing communication wiretap compatible choose wiretaps find cost effective investigate crimes ways robin hanson hanson nasa nasa ames research center moffett field male terrace fremont 
exportability pkzip organization yale mail news gateway lines vesselin bontchev bontchev informatik hamburg writes markowitz ncsc writes interesting note regard permission export pkzip encryption scheme denied draw conclusions afraid information slightly date pkware obtained license export program world limited list countries draw conclusions strength algorithm clear referring efforts receive export permission pkzip encryption algorithm effort part phil katz pkware point original version algorithm designed roger schlafly meaning roger denied export license round past fall knowledge phil attempts choose implement algorithm designed roger case versions prior question management applications identical reason assume treat michael markowitz markowitz ncsc information security corp lake cook suite deerfield 
shelf cheap keyseach machine corporate acceptance wiretap chip organization department mathematics lines nntp posting host moink nmsu article amolitor andrew molitor writes plaintext digitized voice exists short time couple inches copper tops flatly office hear voice digitize bitstream idiot plaintext relevant session roomful chips brute force interesting message stream sort approximately office roomful chips session change morning easier illicit wiretappers stick phone andrew molitor 
clipper considered harmful summary buckets blood pouring peoples heads organization kubota pacific computer lines brad brad yearwood writes clipper cellular phones legal proscriptions cipher systems phones potentially dangerous class crime created criminals badly inscrutable tactical communications specifically terrorists drug dealers proponents escrow cite threats highly motivated steal cipher phone legitimate user kill person hold hostage discovery compromise device delayed sleep brad people life cheap terrorists drug dealing warlords communicate privacy prefer break house kill kidnap steal telephone spending mart phone purchasing load phones black market flea market super market talking gasp face face walking millions phones messengers excruciating effort code phrases blowout freeway today system threaten folks wiretapped trivial find avenues communication reason resort extreme measures plethora simple alternatives easily legitimate reasons damn proposed system worry terrorist commie drug warlord assasin thugs murdering families kicking leaving toilet seat steal telephone system urine testing catches small number stupid people effect neurons working unison subvert penalizes heavily subject steve hollasch kubota pacific computer hollasch santa clara california 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow organization intercon systems corporation herndon lines distribution world reply amanda amanda walker nntp posting host chaos intercon newsreader intercon connect gtoal graham toal writes point wrong back wait find late listen carefully permitted network shoe drop intent nren spectator nren years commercial software vendor professional opinion nren point irrelevant private sector networking deployed years major development upgrade nsfnet attempt revive lagging national supercomputer centers nsfnet completely internet continue chugging hiccup universities long haul networking internet connectivity long ceased federal sponsorship regulation success commercial internet exchange prime dear promoting data superhighway private sector building nsfnet restrictions illustrate connection machine desk machine article posted pizzabox demon involves commercial providers hits amsterdam nsfnet nren restrictions mbps hits eunet gateway amanda walker intercon systems corporation 
facinating facts serial number possibly fixed organization university illinois urbana champaign lines view method generating unit keys back door call deterministically generated serial number generate unit serial number padded fixed block produce block keys triple encrypt producing block similarly padded blocks produce additional blocks computed concatenated giving bits bits assigned bits rest discarded unit parts separately escrowed escrow agencies escrow houses completely eliminated access escrow houses decrypt data houses serve real purpose generating illusion protection small town cops secret motions escrow houses fact federal government build chip generates unit keys encrypted serial number nuff 
screw people crypto hard core hackers spooks organization massachusetts institute technology lines nntp posting host deathtongue reply jhart rain message begin signed message hackers care clipper chip give shit privacy accept smart talking wiretap phone find disturbing view care privacy starts creating legislation clipper technologies legal encryption forms clipper type encryption chips masses method encryption talk assume open encryption point specific instance wiretap chip government telling copy house safe deposit keys telling wont totally neccessary encryption derek request server public keys begin signature version iqbuagubk rxvjh zbsgrxaqhd aledi remr uhuxqv yiblh vxnb sjlcugzzxtcfxbrqif mslp evyynlzbboryvhfszyyhyheqqilhek lpqe yzrccharnrs ftek signature derek atkins electrical engineering computer science secretary student information processing board sipb media laboratory speech research group warlord asel 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow reply paul crowley organization edinburgh university lines quoting demon article reason scared shitless records mccarthy hoover edgar cleaner excelled sucking nixon history record edgar hoover good sucking cleaners stick electrolux damn carpet paul crowley trust fold fish jesus 
tapped code good organization department mathematical sciences lines distribution nntp posting host moink nmsu article graham toal writes completely baffled dorothy denning chosen throw academic respectability major career limiting move people remarks time interest member academia remarks elevate respectability eyes remains radical fringe generally error assume beliefs held majority sizable minority tens dozens people usenet agreeing andrew molitor 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption nntp posting host rodin vitalink organization vitalink communications network systems corp fremont distribution lines article rlward ncsc robert ward writes article bontchev informatik hamburg writes constitutions guarantees american bear arms american entitled matter read applicable part constitution interpreted context posting misinterpretation refers people organize militia individuals carry handguns grenades assault rifles hmm flame quickly text regulated militia amendment written approved regulated meand armed remember westerns bounty hunters called regulators archaic usage word original intent amendment weapons control robinson 
shelf cheap keyseach machine corporate acceptance wiretap chip originator gtoal demon nntp posting host pizzabox demon reply graham toal organization cuddlehogs anonymous lines article steven bellovin writes thousands tens thousands arithmetic skipjack keys bits count keys escrow arrangements smoke mirrors cover regenerate transmitted serial number 
proposal police point view organization university maryland baltimore county campus lines distribution world nntp posting host umbc umbc auth user olson article tuinstra clarkson dwight tuinstra writes start proposal police agency idea suppose state police suspect phone warrant days unlike days federal agencies give parts tiff escrow houses posession release keys political bargaining chit unrealistic suppose federal agencies fail promptly comply court order good point local enforcement unable perform wiretap bringing federal agencies based possibly incomplete understanding system quoted denning able decrypt system encryption layer needed identify escrowed keys request moves great deal enforcement power federal level reason point sway persuade people generally line civil liberties crowd national police force opposed people broad range political viewpoints olson 
tapped code good organization express access online communications greenbelt lines distribution nntp posting host access digex matter difficult design black similar monitor gibberish screen 
tapped code good originator rdippold qualcomm nntp posting host qualcom qualcomm organization qualcomm diego distribution lines graham toal writes completely baffled dorothy denning chosen throw academic respectability major career limiting move people major limiting move academic circles arguing increased government intervention management means high paying jobs academics advisors denning decent government connections academic institute government funding work tossed despicable career limiting publicity outweighs drawbacks bunch people thing peachy keen drug dealers child pornographers terrorists good truth hard find harder obscure 
clipper considered harmful organization express access online communications greenbelt lines distribution inet nntp posting host access digex criminals badly inscrutable tactical communications specifically terrorists drug dealers proponents escrow cite threats highly motivated steal cipher phone legitimate user kill person hold hostage discovery compromise device delayed rough manner professional steal chip phone replace compatible chip encrypt chances victim notice professionally assuming easily obtain substitute chips noticeable effect user person line significant difficulty obtaining chips criminals decide fall back murder kidnap method suitable collection devices stolen criminals communicate impunity assuming cipher system carries trapdoors escrow compromise discovered means feds able decrypt conversations true blame wrong drugs arrive tommorrow ship terminus feds listening identify speaker assumes feds tapping clipper phones belonging ordinary citizens phone point crime discussion past raising possibility crime benefit forcing feds fess intentions advance state clipper exposes user additional criminal threat criminals secure encryption proposal stop criminals ensures government able wiretap average citizen stops casual snooper step outlawing strong encryption devices agreed 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow organization intercon systems corporation herndon lines distribution world reply amanda amanda walker nntp posting host chaos intercon newsreader intercon connect paul crowley writes cleaners stick electrolux damn carpet sucks amanda walker intercon systems corporation 
tapped code good organization express access online communications greenbelt lines distribution nntp posting host access digex landed cooperation design propoganda stages care totally perfidious redeeming virtue taking care 
estimating wiretap costs benefits organization netcom online communication services guest lines article hanson nasa robin hanson writes attempting write policy paper examining proposed wiretap clipper chip cost effective tool police investigation ignoring concerns government intrusions individual privacy easy wiretaps investigators greater cost communications industry customers support wiretap technology rough estimate suggests wiretaps worth million dollars year enforcement agencies wiretaps arrests total police expenditures billion million arrests statistical abstracts working estimating wiretap benefit accurately hardware experts estimating costs proposed wiretap technology send quotable citeable estimates chips made year phones wiretap chips cost make chip cost develop technology place supporting hardware people cost chip percentage cheaper encryption chips support private enterprise compete meet customer encryption percentage phone traffic proposed enforcement blocks total cost handling phone traffic year question police agency wanted wiretap charged share full social cost forcing communication wiretap compatible choose wiretaps find cost effective investigate crimes ways robin hanson hanson nasa nasa ames research center moffett field male terrace fremont fuck nasa wasting dollars policy papers stuff purvew mission problem economics problem incremental accumulation police state powers government price loss freedom society dollars life lost calculations extra people killed pain suffering cases tortured dollars life lost caused inevitable collapse economy secondary effects diseases diet inevitable collapse economy controls corrupt favor resign paper nasa work society glendenning rlglende perspective worth points niels bohr 
pseudo random character generators large state organization utexas mail news gateway lines nntp posting host utexas pseudo random character generators based irreducible trinomials separate trinomials selected initialization distinct trinomials prcgs prcgs initialized seed trinomial selector comments interested email news fritz note posted email peter boucher clip clip begin lsmrn vyep hqfz jeql kcprfrmscc xpdd plqd dsrsu pasnu bhpj vppo zysv wuair fuhsh sgcbpzdn ebfgi juwnvs mphtg ebgtdjs mjdo oqkt ewme vnen koys lysg ugrli wmuv fkqc oigy mycwg xgsv njaba flannib vjag ahgludzrf dwuv gurm nbjx rsvu xdbg wefl qiwbp xnfxgpj ckda ebtsl nhyd qwnvyrna muzog grak iwkp wsvmt rsoow zjpq fahsy fqcb pmau dcdg ivtro beit rsto irgsi zola mpkjao aoqw 
clipper considered harmful organization university california berkeley lines distribution inet nntp posting host hijack berkeley article brad brad yearwood writes finally essentially possibility intercepting realtime scrutable content communications stolen instruments exist strong motivation record archive communications network post facto scrutiny criminal discovered instruments involved identified large subset encrypted communications archived tape read future probable arises warrant obtained imagine found legal constitutional listened valid warrant issued keys obtained imagine archiving phone conversations turns drug dealer listen past drug deals archive calls suspected mafia members potential terrorists radicals imagine convenience police able warrant listening calls world trade center bombers made past year archiving powerful tool easy happen shirriff shirriff berkeley 
political philosophy worth reading lines nntp posting host snarfblatt apollo organization hewlett packard read replace prince government president read chapter prince macchiavelli translated daniel donno order lands secure princes disarmed subjects prompted division cities subjugated nurtured animosities sought approval initially distrusted erected fortresses destroyed impossible definite judgements measures circumstances states employed discuss broad terms subject begin case prince disarming subjects found disarmed proceeded arming subjects make arms suspicious loyal loyal remain subjects transformed partisans nonetheless increase safety leave unarmed extending privileges treatment categories make feel obligated proper thoat assume added duties dangers receive advantages disarm subjects offend showing cowardliness lack faith distrust conclusion induce hate impossible remain unarmed resort mercenaries limitations discussed troops good good defend powerful enemies doubtful subjects prince newly acquired state measures subjects history full examples proving prince takes posession state annexes addition original domain disarm subjects state helped acquire time occasion permit seek render soft weak arrange matters arms entire state hands soldiers native original domain subject demands fail remind prince acquired state inhabitants soundly induced assist reason natural affection dissatisfaction government find extremely difficult friendly impossible carefully matter light examples drawn ancient modern affairs understand easier favor happy government enemies favor dissatisfaction rule helped replace 
large commercial keys nntp posting host mizzou missouri organization university missouri lines article butzerd ohio state dane butzer writes finally concieve time place keys sufficient trillion keys billion years search billionth keys space depends attack adding doubles amount work straight brute force attack single works processing storage requirements kind attack make effectively impossible attacks difficulty proportional sqrt long good incrementally guess time dane john 
tapped code good nntp posting host spot colorado organization university colorado boulder distribution lines article rdippold asbestos dippold writes geoff ucla geoffrey kuenning writes bullshit bush administration career gestapo responsible horror careerists presented presidency fait accompli excuse clinton gore criticism stupid body proper door start final stages denial imagine result clinton administration supported plan acquiescing repugnance chip originated clinton administration clinton administration embraced brought fruition date note clinton statements encryption paragraph guess statement doesen contradict washington drugs fresh start president clinton told delegates national federation police commisioners convention washington speech drug issue innaugural clinton planned escalation drug make half hearted practical purposes beginning repeatedly emphasized view long audience convention theme spell fiscal relief interrupted clinton frequently applause clinton program presented speech outline campaign position papers cabinet level drug czar boot camps time youthful offenders cover detail plans improved enforcement methods year crime bill teeth bare gums clinton administration place strict controls data formats protocols require registration called cryptographic keys hope denying drug dealers ability communicate secret clinton approach crackdowns forms underground economic activity deficit causing evaders live luxury expense grandchildren clinton expressed optimism drug voted bill clinton november vote candidate shares sense urgency fighting drug menace advocates legalization advocates surrender good making noise clinton american people cast ballots proved knew advocates surrender microscopic fringe 
escrow database organization uscrpac lines article tcmay timothy writes waco massacre brother wiretap chip tactic fair pernicious nonsense david david sternlight great care ensure accuracy information errors omissions excepted 
clipper make good cover encryption method organization uscrpac lines article kadie carl kadie writes replacements clipper front ends makes sense government prohibits alternative escrowed encryption schemes front clipper david david sternlight great care ensure accuracy information errors omissions excepted 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow reply demon organization chaos lines newsreader archimedes readnews begin signed message message write cops feds able hold private listen cellular conversations encryption cellphone base station true paul fairly talking building encryption phones chip cellular suggest lost white house deathless prose posted read news home arsed bunch follow cellular cordless comms original article reappeared president today announced initiative bring federal government industry voluntary program improve security privacy telephone communications meeting legitimate enforcement telephone communications include encryption ordinary landlines initiative involve creation products accelerate development advanced secure telecommunications networks wireless communications links paragraph telecoms networks wireless communications links clear cripple apposite anagram applied reason public secure comms stop people listening cellular cordless phones bothered wingnut squidqy misfortunes cripple encyption dropping clear cripple cordless ordinary conversation clear leaving cordless vulnerable present nope suspect cripple radio links telecommunications networks ordinary phone lines betting means microwave links telcos apologies wrong turgid press release makes clear wrong missed full obfuscation expecting encryption surprise imho graham posted questions security replies followups europe made kill file problem paul begin signature version iqcvagubk spbmv asak pnaqgjbwp zokyrm gemlyysnj bqoh qljomrbo eocclpkstavebtdcligqhnzowc blibpua twnqwrgva ogoc xxkjj vwvqbxyia zkqsdep ckidvdrz cdis onxtiothk wjqbjcu signature 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption distribution organization totally unorganized lines article rlward ncsc robert ward writes article bontchev informatik hamburg writes constitutions guarantees american bear arms american entitled matter read applicable part constitution interpreted context posting misinterpretation refers people organize militia individuals carry handguns grenades assault rifles read apply admonition gave previous poster clause condition reason explicitly supporting exists militia people bear arms granted constitution presumed exist default constitution mentioning prevent government removing stating government infringe mess block limit remember constitution bunch negative things things government rights epxressly government states people people amendments bill rights talk summarily reject interpretation appending linguistic analysis expert suspect find qualifications adequate send senate subcommitee judiciary constitution report thing things brother types biden swallow hard admit find people study constitution state means thing improved meanings subvert constitution agenda clinton clinton cripple control people control control control nasty mess person error back proof backing assertion independent proof bunch provide note followups talk politics guns begin included article unabridged amendment neil schulman wanted bang ring carl sagan wanted desert warfare call norman schwarzkopf question call wanted expert american usage meaning amendment united states constitution question asked brocki editorial coordinator angeles unified school district senior editor houghton mifflin publishers recommended foremost expert english usage angeles school system brocki told touch copperud retired professor journalism university southern california author american usage style consensus research lent support brocki opinion professor copperud expertise copperud newspaper writer major dailies decades embarking distinguished year career teaching journalism copperud writing column dealing professional aspects journalism editor publisher weekly magazine focusing journalism field usage panel american heritage dictionary merriam webster usage dictionary frequently cites expert copperud book usage american usage style consensus continuous print nostrand reinhold winner association american publisher humanities award sounds expert telephone call professor copperud introduced give indication interested letter writing professional opinion expert english usage analyze text amendment united states constitution extract intent text text amendment regulated militia security free state people bear arms infringed debate amendment part sentence regulated militia security free state restrictive clause subordinate clause respect independent clause subject sentence people bear arms infringed request analysis sentence consideration issues political impact public policy restricted linguistic analysis meaning intent professional analysis part litigation consequences amendment analysis make professional opinion stand reputation testify oath support letter framed questions test amendment concluded realize major responsibility task letter citizen vitally important extract actual meaning amendment analysis affected political importance results importance letters phone calls discussed terms analysis discussed opinions amendment control political subject professor copperud follow analysis inserted questions sake clarity copperud words regulated militia security free state contrary interpretation cited letter july constitutes present participle clause adjective modifying militia main clause sentence subject verb bear arms asserted essential maintaining militia reply numbered questions schulman sentence interpreted grant bear arms solely regulated militia copperud sentence restrict bear arms state imply possession people simply makes positive statement respect people schulman people bear arms granted words amendment amendment assume preexisting people bear arms state infringed copperud granted amendment existence assumed thrust sentence preserved inviolate sake ensuring militia schulman people bear arms conditioned regulated militia fact security free state condition existing statement people bear arms infringed null void copperud condition expressed implied bear arms amendment depend existence militia condition stated implied relation bear arms necessity regulated militia requisite security free state bear arms deemed unconditional entire sentence schulman clause regulated militia security free state grant government place conditions people bear arms deemed unconditional meaning entire sentence copperud assumed exist unconditional previously stated invoked specifically sake militia schulman phrase regulated militia equipped organized drilled educated subject regulations superior authority copperud phrase means subject regulations superior authority accords desire writers civilian control military schulman account changed meanings words usage sentence written years account historical interpretations intents authors issues separated copperud knowledge change meaning words usage affect meaning amendment written today regulated militia security free state people bear arms abridged schulman scientific control analysis compare analysis text amendment sentence schooled electorate security free state people read books infringed questions usage analysis sentence grammatical structure usage sentence words modify identical amendment sentence sentence interpreted restrict people read books educated electorate registered voters high school diploma copperud scientific control sentence precisely parallels amendment grammatical structure sentence implies possibility restricted interpretation professor copperud additional comment cover letter human curiosity made speculative efforts decide material unable reach conclusion told experts american usage knew constitution united states unconditionally protects people bear arms forbidding governments formed constitution abridging write attempted coup constitutional government soviet union failed apparently people part world free capricious tyranny stronger guard desire maintain monopoly dictatorial power united states elected lawmakers judges appointed officials pledged defend constitution united states ignore marginalize prevaricate amendment routinely american citizens american prisons carrying arms owning arms forbidden sorts failing satisfy bureaucratic requirements owning carrying firearms abridgement unconditional people bear arms guaranteed constitution american civil liberties union aclu staunch defender rest bill rights stands bear arms preserve elected representatives rights continue representing continue obeying judges decide amendment means means means orwellian doublespeak simply bear arms choice constitution united states promises pledge defend promise lives fortuned sacred honor week amendment foundation informational reproduction entire article authorized provided author week amendment foundation credited rights reserved author neil schulman award winning author novels endorsed anthony burgess nobel economist milton friedman writer twilight zone episode time traveling historian prevents assassination founder president softserv publishing publishing company distribute paperless books personal computers modems recently schulman founded committee enforce amendment cesa intends individual bear arms recognized constitutional protection equal afforded fourth ninth fourteenth amendments included article honestly state militia uucp prejudice myrto seattle fails uunet pilchuck rwing wisdom things infinite universe human stupidity albert einstien 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption distribution organization totally unorganized lines article bontchev informatik hamburg writes rlward ncsc robert ward writes constitutions guarantees american bear arms american entitled matter read applicable part constitution interpreted context amendments posted time posting misinterpretation refers people organize militia individual carry handguns grenades assault rifles month expressed belief means shoot neighbor ensure people free flamed lots american supporters thought mind cripple chip purely american problem deal mess wanted share experience living years totalitarian regime bulgarian thought experiences bulgarian regime highly relevant people heads sand happen constitutional rights trashed government justifies protections crisis requiring drastic action future possession secure encryption tools regarded possession terrorist drug dealers tools fedaral felony common tools burgular tools police common computer programs computers hackers tools terrorist tools insights lived throught important soviet union client states individual rights privacy freedom concerned rest world remember world order years posting find deficient threatens rights thing conversation suspect lawyer longer private brother eavesdropping political dissent allready dangerous country takes government decide people guilty plotting overthrow government illegal means phrase illegal means defined government defined couple clinton pressing smart national card internal passport added wrinkle past government word means completely read reprogram thing nice feds bust safe keys owner safe broken break secure phone conversations stored transmitted data future knowing accountability legalities window safe legal keys suspect keys safe combination suspect encryption record warrants decode keys obtained suspect clinton cripple natural extensions make priviliged communications client lawyer meaningful political dissent virtually impossible general idea propeganda secure safeguards propeganda reassure people monstrosity suckered brother listening vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center university hamburg fachbereich informatik vogt koelln strasse mail bontchev informatik hamburg hamburg germany uucp prejudice myrto seattle fails uunet pilchuck rwing wisdom things infinite universe human stupidity albert einstien 
open letter clinton organization totally unorganized lines article bontchev informatik hamburg writes simple convert clipper proposal unexceptionable make voluntary high quality secure classified technology agree escrow vogt koelln strasse mail bontchev informatik hamburg hamburg germany uucp prejudice myrto seattle fails uunet pilchuck rwing wisdom things infinite universe human stupidity albert einstien 
screw people crypto hard core hackers spooks organization uscrpac lines article jhart rain hart writes true privacy chip real time voice encryption silicon compile spit asic chip market facto standard international business diplomats private communications bans make import japanese german dutch taiwanese korean electronics companies spying workers lose jobs government fascist stupidity countries laws importing crypto gear license scheme work legally countries including france david david sternlight great care ensure accuracy information errors omissions excepted 
clipper make good cover encryption method organization uscrpac lines article eachus mitre robert eachus writes making custom equipment case roll clipper implementation report wrong keys escrow agency tells chip business thing hide work checksum keys registering clipper chip substituting counterfeit serial number checksum chances government thought permitted access internals make fake clipper chip chances government classified details internals high level manufacturers required observe security safeguards clearances level perfect prevent hacker rolling spoofing chip counterfeiters survive background investigation notorious styled dissidents heads high tall grass chance clearance impossible extremely difficult chances heavy criminal penalties phony clipper chips national security classified info grounds making game worth candle david sternlight great care ensure accuracy information errors omissions excepted 
screw people crypto hard core hackers spooks organization uscrpac lines article warlord derek atkins writes point specific instance wiretap chip government telling copy house safe deposit keys telling wont totally neccessary wouldn encryption govrnment telling product manufacturer trusted pair escrow agencies situation makers keys cars quickly number doubt presented court order surrender copies government chances locksmiths code numbers house locks installed emergency keys provide keys government pursuant court order state difficulty gaining access safe deposit court order analogy argue proposal distinctions required thinking house safe deposit keys david david sternlight great care ensure accuracy information errors omissions excepted 
organized lobbying cryptography kubo harvard kubo organization dept math harvard univ nntp posting host zariski harvard lines article berkeley bernstein writes organization combat statements encryption threaten public safety masks american entitled strong encryption ensures privacy crippled escrow system guess league cryptographic freedom national cryptography association excellent idea extent serve purpose organization exist full scope activities lobby strong cryptography distinct organization efforts prevent banning pictures newsgroups universities horror stories contents groups exploitative pictures possibly underaged models surfaced press white house bulletin raised specter drug dealing terrorism step removed crypto wielding child molester argument lobbying effort cryptography easily derailed connection child pornography similarly connected stallman project light manifesto means public debate stands labelled communist anarchist hackers radical cpsr offshoot physicians social responsibility helen caldicott hysterical antinuclear lobbying carries unwelcome political baggage practical reasons lobbying organization cryptography formed umbrella existing group charter distinct independent limited advocacy cryptography reiterate bernstein question suitable organization exist mentioned dangers unwelcome political associations remiss suggest opposite direction gathering support emphasizing rkba side issue amendment side kubo harvard 
clipper cheap security organization partnership america free drug lines gtoal graham toal writes impossible approval attach crypto device phone network plugs phone sockets approved reason crypto devices whats difference modem modem silly pointing modems approved data transmission work fine transmit scrambled vocoded voice perry metzger pmetzger laissez faire laissez passer monde meme 
hard drive security targets keywords cooperation reply uchicago organization university chicago lines article holland colostate douglas craig holland writes lawyer correct wrong considered obstruction justice land prison thing great secret idea encrypted magic word force give pass phrase oops forgot burden proof prosecution country mouth shut prove didn forget pass phrase doug obstruction justice blah blah blah forgot moral point view lawfulness good admittedly people provided government prosecuting criminally plead amendmeent legally avoid revealing government demand information criminal defendant tend incriminate defendant applied cryptography context obvious application common suggestion group love hear people read group subject matter legal cryptoid misc legal computing place steve steve kramarsky university chicago school steve uchicago kiss jake night hanging 
tapped code good organization project glue university maryland college park lines distribution nntp posting host pipa article amolitor andrew molitor writes article graham toal writes completely baffled dorothy denning chosen throw academic respectability remarks time interest member academia remarks elevate respectability eyes remains radical fringe generally error assume beliefs held majority sizable minority tens dozens people usenet agreeing people usenet special bunch live future culture usenetters rapid electronic access information society general depend hope make information accessable public radical fringe majority destroys fabric country freedom easily thomas 
keeping mouth shut hard drive security keywords cooperation reply uchicago organization university chicago lines article karn qualcomm phil karn writes theory case woman held contempt refusing reveal location child taking case woman suspected murdered taking surprising guilty good system supposed able force suspect confess crime matter strongly guilty develop evidence independently catch crooks cost turning clock back middle ages confessions routinely tortured suspects guilty innocent read thread posting phil infomative discussion caveat amendment applies crinial cases person compelled criminal case witness father sued custody children case civil defendant mother amendment protection oddly refusal give information civil case lead criminal contempt charges landing jail interesting part murder trial woman plead location child routine computer crime prosecution fertile ground kind defense suit party injured hackers accused sending encrypted kiddie porn nets protect accused sending copyrighted material proabably copyright infringement crime technical sense tricky question naughty government information gained civil trial gain access files criminal prosecution answer lord work steve steve kramarsky university chicago school steve uchicago kiss jake night hanging 
fight clipper chip subvert replace steiner utoledo jason steiner distribution nntp posting host jupiter utoledo newsreader version lines marc thibault marc isis writes jester writes proof windows virus widespread eats disk space slows computer takes control computer performs disk access random times displays silly messages screen randomly crashes computer vesselin sounds version unix solaris lived switch sunos solaris heartily agree obcrypt main gripes solaris braindead mailx mail hoping crashes horribly capable sendmail replacements jason stood yelled excuse wrong country plastic explosives cure steve taylor blew clinic real good steiner utoledo 
amendment passwords reply uchicago organization university chicago lines article uucp kenneth writes article judge grant immunity learned keyphrase confess deliberately evading copyright file encoded keyphrase illegal scans copyrighted peanuts strips murder copyright violation things straight applies criminal cases copyright infringements civil steve waste bandwidth quibble confused bunch kiddie porn gifs make test case bunch peanuts strips criminal posession distribution steve kramarsky university chicago school steve uchicago kiss jake night hanging 
organized lobbying cryptography organization university illinois dept comp urbana lines kubo harvard kubo writes efforts prevent banning pictures newsgroups universities justices william brennan thurgood marshall john paul stevens byron white plurality supreme court decision prevented removal anti american anti christian anti semitic plain filthy books public high school library board education pico longer defend free expression privacy carl carl kadie represent organization kadie uiuc 
estimating wiretap costs benefits organization university iowa iowa city lines rlglende robert lewis glendenning writes article hanson nasa robin hanson writes attempting write policy paper examining proposed wiretap clipper chip cost effective tool police investigation ignoring concerns government intrusions individual privacy easy wiretaps investigators greater cost communications industry customers support wiretap technology fuck nasa wasting dollars policy papers stuff purvew mission favor resign paper nasa work society whew easy spare time wiretap costs opposition clipper fully start flaming drop james holthaus james holthaus public request server 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption reply bontchev informatik hamburg organization virus test center university hamburg lines mathew writes bena monash aveling writes forget country russians apple security concerns british inmos transputer systems security concerns designed damn things funny plenty bulgaria embargo export controls vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center university hamburg fachbereich informatik vogt koelln strasse mail bontchev informatik hamburg hamburg germany 
cryptology world keywords cryptology international restrictions organization university iowa iowa city lines status cruptology private citizens world listing countries policies citizens encrypting electronic data curious europeans handle instance james holthaus james holthaus public request server 
organized lobbying cryptography organization stratus computer software engineering lines distribution inet nntp posting host coyoacan stratus article kadie uiuc carl kadie writes efforts prevent banning pictures newsgroups universities justices william brennan thurgood marshall john paul stevens byron white means public stance complicated issues irrelevant encryption issue people care encryption issue care associate network erotica issue disagree position ending pallets baggage drag frequent problem permanent organizations exception tarl 
crypto programs extdsm latrobe maddison david organization trobe university news reader news lines reader crypt obtain copy public domain program encrypt files preferably runs obtain program password protect floppy disks david maddison melbourne australia 
list large integer arithmetic packages reply message organization york student information systems project lines mark riordan writes list large integer arithmetic packages elided thought note lenstra packages large integer packages public domain alternative straightforward implementation knuth algorithms found part arizona icon distribution diligence make electric yorku slowly duff 
shelf cheap keyseach machine corporate acceptance wiretap chip organization inland lines steven bellovin writes thousands tens thousands arithmetic skipjack keys assume brute force engine hypothesized microsecond trial million chips trials years trials chips running trial nanosecond build machine million chips years solution argue steve read years solutions imagine machine trial nanosecond imagine storage medium index archive shadwell hated southerners inference standing north pole good omens neil gaiman terry pratchett 
clipper considered harmful organization intercon systems corporation herndon lines distribution world reply amanda amanda walker nntp posting host chaos intercon newsreader intercon connect shirriff berkeley shirriff writes archiving powerful tool easy happen magtape idea traffic flows phone system single amanda walker intercon systems corporation 
clipper corrupt cops proposal police point view reply tuinstra clarkson organization microsystems lines nntp posting host signal clarkson article bontchev informatik hamburg vesselin bontchev writes strnlght david sternlight writes dwight tuinstra posts interesting message comments effects clipper chip state local police reading lines good thing civil liberties respect prevent cowboy cops cowboy state local agancies reading traffic illegally reading lines difficult hints proposal imposes additional burocratic burden local police badly tape magic cookie recipie telling phone guess propose technology removed implement facilitations wait approval agencies decrypt conversation child molesters child molesters conspiring molesting child access keys quickly copy database worry warrant clearer concise post posting central point made local state police agencies attempting play rules warrants legit escrowed keys find mercy bureaucratic inertia agency infighting federal level disagree assist civil liberties hobbling cowboy cops strong incentive vesselin points police agencies rogue keys efficient constitutional means notice release suppose enforcement agency conducting wiretap drug smuggling ring intercepts conversation encrypted device decipher message obtain legal authorization court order wiretap place clear implication legal authorizations court order leaky pages authorized arise black market sorts police agencies keys traded police excellent position carry kind thing caught communication infrastructure secure portions laws limit citizens rights access police communications information difficult prove police misuse fact evidence evidence broken throw private detectives fewer policy constitutional restrictions mercenaries retired intelligence agencies william gibson loving great story material happen michigan state police generally professional organization years files thousands suspected commies knowing full consititutional standards evidence people file happened park place china people friendship rally happening police writing license plate numbers happened visiting friend lived meeting place state police wound filing subversive eventually found court ruled carrying nonsense thay destroy tapes meaning cops strong pressure bend constitutional safeguards assume corrupt unbalanced officers interest enforcing laws saving lives protecting property compromises made meaning officers facing moral dilemma clipper make criminals cops police forces dwight tuinstra tuinstra clarkson tolerable tuinstrd camp clarkson homo sapiens planetary cancer news 
tapped code good rubin beckman arthur rubin distribution organization beckman instruments nntp posting host beckman lines jebright ohio state james ebright writes article rubin beckman arthur rubin writes trust trust president told crook president richard nixon president easily wrong arthur rubin rubin beckman work beckman instruments brea arthur personal opinions represent employer 
clipper make good cover encryption method organization massachusetts institute technology lines nntp posting host deathtongue reply strnlght message begin signed message article strnlght david sternlight writes article kadie carl kadie writes replacements clipper front ends makes sense government prohibits alternative escrowed encryption schemes front clipper david david hope long derek request server public keys begin signature version iqbuagubk tkndh zbsgrxaqeaqglfefnh hlhyovhuwr mbrxkykwsc aazo wxhca tyyobpbtlqgsurgkgdzpxwfh zxgxrggwf edst byccyb lozcg whgoi signature derek atkins electrical engineering computer science secretary student information processing board sipb media laboratory speech research group warlord asel 
clipper make good cover encryption method organization intercon systems corporation herndon lines distribution world reply amanda amanda walker nntp posting host chaos intercon newsreader intercon connect strnlght david sternlight writes chances government thought permitted access internals make fake clipper chip chips released phones vulnerable phsyical inspection observation grant doubt safeguards peeling chip monopoly cleverness chip algorithms remain secret long university vlsi required equipment offshore semiconductor manufacturer amanda walker intercon systems corporation 
tapped code good nntp posting host vccsouth organization rensselaer polytechnic institute troy distribution lines article amolitor andrew molitor writes donaldson writes amolitor andrew molitor writes appears generic calling anti christ hell destroy remark imagine executive branch extract keys escrow houses knowing telling dick bits data hell trot telco unauthorised decrypting break watergate install people break neat record noise executive branch phone decryption goodness wait washington post hold decrypt noise stare hell worth bloody hassle keys give local police request simply alagator clips phone junction conduct illegal decrypt recover tape government breaking bill smythe 
secret source announcement organization uscrpac lines grady suggests common restricted distribution private public system encrypted postings theory work fine long privae remains secure practice good idea check violation rule practice custom good idea check trivially good idea check posts forwarded sites needed make chain work problem discussion group travelling facilities control members problem mailing list approach david sternlight great care ensure accuracy information errors omissions excepted 
tapped code good organization uscrpac distribution lines article elee menudo karl barrus writes trust black versus open system absolutely assured trusted black secure conceal government russian japanese french competitors services read traffic competitive information safe commercial competitors foreign governments identical motivations respect activities president senior government officials made clear share motivations trust coincidence interests argument basic trust professionalism high confidence skills david david sternlight great care ensure accuracy information errors omissions excepted 
keyseach machine nntp posting host mizzou missouri organization university missouri lines article dexter steve simmons writes argue steve read years solutions imagine machine trial nanosecond imagine storage medium index archive hmm large keyspaces alter strategy discussed attempt decryption blocks check disctribution contents feasible encryptions plaintext block amount tape encrypted blocks cheap converting atom solar system storage device keysearch kind worse simpler kind terms speed encrypted message dumb question research legitimate ascii encoded byte blocks part english sentence attacking mode dictionary kind pretty valuable john kelsey 
fighting clipper initiative organization uscrpac lines article steve digex steve brinich writes american manufacturers peddling cripple chips secret untested algorithm keys held people history untrustworthy behavoir excuse escrow agencies chosen history untrustworthy behavoir agencies history price waterhouse secret academy awards years face aggressive press federal reserve open market committee successfully decisions leaking statutory period publication department agriculture successfully crop forecasts leaking prematurely frankly trust subject political pressure sooner aclu cpsr government apologists track record internal security david david sternlight great care ensure accuracy information errors omissions excepted 
keyseach machine nntp posting host magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article missouri john kelsey writes article dexter steve simmons writes argue steve read years solutions imagine machine trial nanosecond imagine storage medium index archive hmm large keyspaces alter strategy discussed attempt decryption blocks check disctribution contents feasible encryptions plaintext block amount tape encrypted blocks cheap converting atom solar system storage device claim crypto analyist good literature subject people publish work doubt approach folks brute force implied previous post history things folks find clever ways limiting search bang guess real problem skipjack make publicly system break wanted charter remember published life years past point remember based size budget spend technology decryption computer companies spend imagine stuff real interesting friend worked dead enjoyed monitoring strategic command crypto traffic suspect stuff complex skipjack military stuff skipjack folks keys walker case shows systems information farming addr phone finger ohio state university jebright ohio state ebright mail support privacy support encryption 
clipper cheap security organization harvey mudd college claremont lines article amanda amanda walker writes thing clipper offers interoperability higher degree security proprietary voice encryption systems means cheaper proprietary scheme easier deploy anarchist nutcase frothed overmuch government proposed secure encryption standard fact privacy chip wiretap chip happy ansi committee picked secure cryptosystem defined protocol interface start building deliberately brain dead version cryptosystem peer reviewed owns smart people pulled feal left phones hands perry social contract exchange giving strong cryptography government gave remember announcement scheme balancing extremes privacy claiming citizens constitutional encryption clinton support privacy finger mail void prohibited ebrandt claremont 
clipper chip long follow organization computervision diego lines article zrepachol curtin paul repacholi writes questions answers clinton administration telecommunications initiative suppose enforcement agency conducting wiretap drug smuggling ring intercepts conversation encrypted device decipher message obtain legal authorization court order wiretap place present documentation authorization entities responsible safeguarding keys obtain keys device drug smugglers split parts stored separately order ensure security escrow system apologize dense sentence reads lifted luis bunuel screenplay missing earth drug smugglers device triple encryption long alternatives clipper remain legal clipper accomplishes absolutely enforcement concerned scheme absolute total incredible waste government time money long encryption schemes good remain legal order clipper work intended strong cryptosystems outlawed bielawski computervision diego prime 
cryptology world reply borut lavrencic organization stefan institute slovenia lines article holthaus weeg uiowa james holthaus writes status cruptology private citizens world listing countries policies citizens encrypting electronic data curious europeans handle instance good question wanted find communist times activity sending crypto emails prevented sooner free conformant protection registration personal files remember situation small countries vastly borut lavrencic mail lavrencic stefan institute internet borut lavrencic university ljubljana phone ljubljana slovenia public request dolgo smois kalis ovraz nikei njihk ocnoo dkril ivseb ipika 
crypto final call organization university nebraska lincoln lines nntp posting host helios crypto conference announcement final call papers thirteenth annual crypto conference sponsored international association cryptologic research iacr cooperation iee computer society technical committee security privacy computer science department university california santa barbara bell northern research subsidiary northern telecom held campus university california santa barbara august original research papers technical expository talks solicited practical theoretical aspects cryptology anticipated talks presented special invitation program committee instructions authors authors requested send copies detailed abstract full paper april program chair address limit pages type counting bibliography title page submissions submissions arrive time postmarked april airmail order receive consideration program committee required submissions start succinct statement problem addressed solution proposed 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japan pfitzmann hildesheim germany rueppel switzerland vanstone waterloo canada send submissions program chair douglas stinson crypto computer science engineering department ferguson hall university nebraska lincoln telephone internet stinson information contact general chair paul oorschot crypto bell northern research mail stop carling nepean ontario canada telephone internet crypto crypto general information august program crypto thirteenth series workshops cryptology held santa barbara sponsored international association cryptologic research cooperation iee computer society technical committee security privacy computer science department university california santa barbara bell northern research subsidiary northern telecom program workshop cover aspects cryptology extended abstracts papers presented conference distributed attendees conference formal proceedings published date addition regular program papers selected invited program committee rump session tuesday evening informal presentations facilities provided attendees demonstrate hardware software items cryptographic interest demonstrate items urged contact general chair attended social program include hosted cocktail parties sunday monday addition beach barbecue wednesday evening price barbecue included room board charge extra tickets purchased conference facilities workshop held campus university california santa barbara campus located adjacent santa barbara airport pacific ocean accommodations university dormitories cost conference participants children allowed stay dormitories bringing small children make separate arrangements nearby hotels information hotels enclosed parking campus cost participants participants registration form desire parking permit travel information campus located approximately miles santa barbara airport served airlines including american america west delta united free shuttle service provided santa barbara airport campus sunday thursday afternoons major rental agencies represented santa barbara amtrak rail connections francisco north angeles south santa barbara approximately miles north angeles airport miles south francisco registration participation invited interested parties attendance workshop limited registration strongly advised late registrations subject late registration accepted space guarantees register fill attached registration form return address form payment full july campus accommodations serve basis attendees register july conference fees include participation program social functions membership iacr subscription journal cryptology room board charges include dormitory lodging meals dinner sunday lunch thursday technical sessions monday morning thursday noon limited number stipends unable obtain funding applications stipends general chair june crypto crypto registration form registration deadline july affiliation mailing address phone electronic mail payment conference entitles membership international association cryptologic research year extra charge including subscription journal cryptology published springer verlag extra charge iacr member conference includes conference proceedings final versions conference papers book extended abstracts distributed conference shortened preliminary versions papers maximum pages conference regular attended eurocrypt norway full time student deduct proceedings total conference room board nights smoking smoking single room person double room person roommate extra barbecue tickets included room board late registration july registration guaranteed july total funds enclosed dollars payment check payable funds money order funds bank draft payable crypto payment mailed general chair paul oorschot crypto bell northern research mail stop carling nepean ontario canada crypto hotel information choose stay dormitories partial list hotels area choose stay campus responsible making reservations early reservations advised august popular season santa barbara note goleta closer ucsb santa barbara required travel hotel campus prices subject change prices confirmed calling individual hotels directly mention crypto making reservation hotels listed eligible university rate significantly normal rates able block rooms hotels make reservations early quality hotels range expensive beach front resorts basic inexpensive accommodations information contacting santa barbara convention visitors center south coast calle real goleta regular rates single double call university rates contact murrill forrester toll free cathedral oaks lodge calle real santa barbara single rates double rates start including breakfast university rates call patton toll free motel calle real goleta single double university rate call sandman state santa barbara regular rates single double king size university rate call jean ingerle toll free miramar hotel beachfront miles south santa barbara ysidro turnoff regular rates university rates call pepper tree state santa barbara regular rates people university rates people call christopher oliphant toll free encina lodge bath street santa barbara regular rates people university rates call carol wolford toll free quality suites hollister santa barbara close campus regular rates single double university rates double mention attending ucsb program call michael ensign upham hotel breakfast vina road santa barbara university rate mention crypto call sheila donegan stevew fender smoke water fire smoke water stevew bars guitar solo deep purple 
clipper considered harmful organization totally unorganized lines article brad brad yearwood writes clipper cellular phones legal proscriptions cipher systems phones potentially dangerous class crime created possession terrorist tools unapproved encryption devices programs criminals badly inscrutable tactical communications specifically terrorists drug dealers proponents escrow cite threats highly motivated steal cipher phone legitimate user kill person hold hostage discovery compromise device delayed suitable collection devices stolen criminals communicate impunity assuming cipher system carries trapdoors escrow compromise discovered means life cheap criminals kill people steal large conspicuous property luxury cars reasonable assume kill people steal small inconspicuous property cipher cellular phone past blue technology present modified cellular phones expect high stakes criminals lucrative market stolen cipher phones days high stakes criminals life cheap types substantial amounts stolen instruments person typically discovered missing dead days stolen instrument usable days continuing demand fresh phones fresh bodies clinton full bore deny unconnected citizens means defend protect good perverting trashing amendment targeted individuals guaranteed easy prey bodies compared greater good able defeat citizen security impunity exist means usual eavesdropping scanning keywords court order keys great florida real estate interested idea escrowed keys meant divert discussion safeguarded basic fact government systematically taking privacy secure means defense spelled bill rights naww government trust words clipper similar systems potential turn current inconvenience enforcement direct vicious persistent threat general public important government enforcement people control safety general public control issue answer good works making cities safer places worst regard places control government public good control forget founding fathers concerned remainder deleted uucp prejudice myrto seattle fails uunet pilchuck rwing wisdom things infinite universe human stupidity albert einstien 
list large integer arithmetic packages organization computational linguistics dept saarbruecken lines nntp posting host vieta math mark riordan writes comprehensive list deleted comprehensive list math symbolic detailed descriptions packages mark update list systems list developed distributed software symbolic math applications informations supplied systems longer supported saint formac alpak altran mathlab camal scratchpad mumath sheep trigman analitik ccalc detailed info systems directory symbolic math anonymous math berkeley recommendation made prices contact company programs listed aprox reverse order number machines class general purpose systems information list missing mupad felix send berkeley paulo souza department mathematics university california berkeley desouza berkeley general purpose maple type commercial machines impressive list machines program workstations mips apollo amiga atari gould convex pyramid sequent unisys cray contact maple waterloo waterloo maple software columbia street west waterloo ontario canada phone version release comments general purpose source routines graphics support demo program obtained anonymous wuarchive wustl math msdos modern algebra maplev mathematica type commercial machines cray contact info phone math wolfram research trade center drive champaign version comments general purpose notebook interface nice graphics macsyma type commercial machines sparc unix apollo risc symbolics computers contact macsyma service phone macsyma macsyma academy arlington version depends machine latest risc comments general purpose diverse capabilities oldest includes propietary improvements symbolics macsyma descendant macsyma macsyma type distribution machines gigamos symbolics explorer lisp machines version runs vaxes system public domain franz lisp version runs unix machines including suns vaxes unix contact estsc energy science technology software center ridge phone comments macsyma general issues obtaining support versions leon harten paradigm assoc paradigm associates putnam avenue suite cambridge maxima type licence licence estc download machines unix workstations mips beta contact utexas bill schelter version comments general purpose macsyma family common lisp implementation william schelter based kyoto common lisp modified version macsyma estsc sites licence estsc phone dowload software math utexas beta unix rascal utexas maxima charge machine license universities site licenses aljabr type commercial machines contact aljabr phone fort pond research fort pond road acton version comments macsyma family descendant franz lisp paramacs type commercial machines works contact version comments vaxima type distribution machines unix contact estsc macsyma version comments general purpose macsyma family descendant includes source binaries assembler macsyma franz lisp opus reduce type commercial machines unix workstations variety mainframes mbyte atari contact reduce netlib version comments general purpose form type public domain verison version commercial machines msdos atarist sparc apollo ultrix decstation contact vermaseren binary versions version anonymous nikhef nikhef version comments general purpose designed problems batch interface axiom type commercial machines plataforms contact ryan phone numerical algorithms group opus place suite downers grove version comments general purpose simath type anonymous machines suns apollo siemens workstations contact simath version comments general purpose derive type commercial machines runs contact soft warehouse harding suite honolulu hawaii version comments robust problems larger programs fail cost theorist type commercial machines contact prescien phone prescience corp howard francisco version comments general purpose graphics interface love fixed precision digits runs smaller type anonymous machines atari modula compilers topspeed modula compilers commodore amiga amiga compiler contact kredel computer algebra group university passau germany version comments experimental computer algebra system combining imperative programming facilities algebraic specification capabilities design study algebraic algorithms anonymous alice passau mockmma type anonymous peoplesparc berkeley machines running common lisp contact fateman berkeley version comments matematica mispelled weyl type anonymous cornell weyl contact cornell version comments intended incorporated larger specialized systems flac type machines contact victor kistlerov institute control sciences profsoyuznaya moscow ussr version comments functional language group theory cayley type cost recovery machines machines apollo running higher convex contact cayley phone computational algebra group university sydney australia version comments designed fast computation algebraic combinatorial structures groups rings fields modules graphs began group theory system recently evolved general abstract algebra system type anonymous free basically copyleft machines unix workstations atari contact math rwth aachen site samson math rwth aachen math ucla version released comments group theory calculations algebra number theory pari type anonymous machines workstations contact pari greco prog anonymous math ucla directory pari version comments number theoretical computations source routines assembler ascii xwindows graphics version anonymous wuarchive wustl math msdos modern algebra pari macaulay type anonymous machines complete source binary versions contact anonymous zariski harvard version comments focused algebra type computations polynomial rings finite fields things kant type machines contact kant group prof pohst johannes graf schmettow mathematisches institut heinrich heine universit universit atsstr usseldorf pohst bitnet schmetto bitnet version comments kant computational algebraic number theory subroutine package algorithms geometry numbers algebraic number theory versions kant kant written ansi fortran kant built cayley platform written ansi type commercial machines unix workstations atari contact phone expertise centre kruislaan amsterdam netherlands version comments group computations ubasic type anonymous ubas machines contact malm oakland phone donald malm department mathematical sciences oakland university rochester version comments basic environment number theory collection programs written find malm collection ubasic number theory programs malm donald malm copyrighted including baillie wagstaff lucas pseudoprime test algorithm chinese remaindering elliptic curve method factorize fermat method factoring general periodic continued fraction quadratic routine evaluates carmichael function lehmer method solving ubmpqs prime factorization program numbers digits ubmpqs found wurst archives wuarchive wustl numbers type free public domain registration required machines contact dntsch phone rechenzentrum universitt osnabrck bitnet duentsch postfach osnabrck germany version comments numbers calculator number theory performs routines elementary number theory usable algebra combinatorics anonymous osnabrueck directory msdos math cocoa type machines contact cocoa bitnet version comments computations commutative algebra galois type commercial machines contact cifeg kalkgruberweg linz austria version comments algebra number theory microcomputer written lidl matthews wells tasmania turbo pascal ganith type anonymous machines system vanilla common lisp rudimentary lisp interface contact chanderjit bajaj andrew royappa department computer science purdue university west lafayette bajaj royappa purdue version comments ganith algebraic geometry toolkit computing visualising solutions systems algebraic equations written common lisp runs version window system ganith anonymous purdue file ganith tensor analysis schoonship type machines contact mentioned comp phys comm version comments heard program mentioned supposely designed large problems thousands terms series expansions developed cern stensor type machines apollos orion atari amiga contact physto lars hornfeldt physics department university stockholm vanadisv stockholm sweden version comments system tensor calculus noncommutative algebra lisp calculators jacal type copyleft machines lisp common scheme contact anon altdorf version comments version floppy aubrey jaffer pleasant wakefield calc type copyleft machines emacs runs contact free software foundation version comments runs inside emacs written emacs lisp usual things arbitrary precision integer real complex arithmetic written lisp scientific functions symbolic algebra calculus matrices graphics display expressions square root signs integrals drawing screen ascii characters written page online manual site differential equations delia type informal distribution machines contact bocharov program systems institute ussr academy science pereslavl ussr boat version comments differetial equation computations shareware symbmath type shareware student advanced versions machines contact chen version comments runs plain machines shareware version file wurst archives capable versions mail order author type anonymous machines contact version comments linear matrix algebra package computes rank determinant reduced echelon form jordan canonical form characteristic equation eigenvalues matrix file wurst archives type anonymous machines contact david meredith department mathematics francisco state university francisco meredith sfsu version comments called ccalc integrated graphics numerical matrix manipulation routines intended calculus students prentice hall sells book isbn calling manual comprehensive system anonymous wuarchive wustl math msdos calculus type commercial evaluation copy anonymous machines contact mark garber cerebral software chamblee version comments algebraic manipulation program written modula symbolic calculation tool functions interpreter mode program mode tensor manipulation index notation evaluation copy anonymous osnabrueck msdos math mercury type shareware machines contact version comments limited symbolic capabilities extremely adept numerically solving equations produces publication quality graphical output borland eureka borland abandoned original author started selling shareware mercury anonymous wuarchive wustl math msdos calculus mrcry pfsa type public domain machines contact version comments anonymous wuarchive wustl math msdos modern algebra type public domain machines contact head csiro head csiro division materials science technology melbourne australia locked clayton australia phone telex version comments program written mumath language package analysis differential equations anonymous wuarchive wustl math msdos diff equations calculus type shareware machines contact byoung keum dept mathematics university urbana version comments program calculus differential equations symbolic diff integration simple functions graphs unstable program reason price suggested registration anonymous wuarchive wustl math msdos calculus calc marc conrad universitaet 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clipper cheap security lines gtoal graham toal writes impossible approval attach crypto device phone network plugs phone sockets approved reason crypto devices whats difference modem modem silly pointing modems approved data transmission work fine transmit scrambled vocoded voice absolutely meant secure dedicated crypto device approval guerrilla underground devices today high speed modems modems approved mind overpriced couriers hardware compression needed digital speech heard lets samples data sampling rate usable fancy compression 
shelf cheap keyseach machine corporate acceptance wiretap chip lines point mystical engines plaintext engines smart hardware assume smart hardware smart 
secret source announcement lines interesting smtp server csrc ncsl nist longer recognizes expn vrfy commands telnet csrc ncsl nist smtp connected csrc ncsl nist escape character sendmail nist ready expn clipper command unrecognized sombody snooping marc mine dozen people idea rush shut imply names list heavy duty spooks 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption lines noted noted program started years contracts vlsi technology microtoxin months production chips underway claimed clinton intitiated program chose ahead realised contemplate falling dual escrow bluff bush administration wait democrat govt promoting people honest didn work 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption distribution organization long island pubnet long rave lines article caltech finney writes question clipper encryption made illegal pretty obvious made illegal loud noise made immediately congress house worst nightmares raised dorothy denning proposals coming true government continues imagine strong cryptography made illegal encryption programs disk files email software encrypted voice communications distributed underground people learn hide fact protecting privacy worse waste money fact spite clinton rhetoric contrary feeble attempt large group bored intelligence bureaucrats justify useless jobs clinton trim government dietetic group drug dealing terrorism tend international crimes cease starts regulate encryption drug dealers terrorists simply countries communicate plans carry solution problem invent problem encryption guess good thing bill gates star general copies haff vays findink usink doctor shocking frightening happening health care education systems toilet pearl goddamned government clue real quick start repair infrastructure country inventing blame germany japan alive deserve shortage real problems solve clipper chip homeless clipper chip educate children ghettos cities generation developed rehire engineer work clipper chips decrypt slightly rebellious adolescent hacker naughty files shitcom forged post sick joke popping dead kennedys tape stereo tearing canada clinton white horse suede denim secret police uncool niece worry phone shit knew consent monitoring stickers autovon phones chance civilian life redsonja linet possession alien control laws nature human joel dress abortion chicken gamera guiron omelet george carlin 
fighting clipper initiative organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex excuse escrow agencies chosen history untrustworthy behavoir refer federal enforcement apparatus ultimately charge generally 
tapped code good reply presto random distribution newsreader lines organization article donaldson writes unrelated question term clipper neat intergraph clipper trademark intergraph risc chip thier workstations intergraph infringement thier sake jeff hyche presto random 
open letter clinton organization uscrpac lines article mbeckman writes economist flaws logic naive market flooded proprietary weak encryption strong encryption unable compete true mass market strong crypto price strong crypto today spend concern economic issue worth worrying system takes hold government outlaw systems voluntary system political economic issue separate matter making implied advocacy cheap secure crypto true clipper chip prevent clipper cheap secure crypto political discussion economic point clipper resolve political policy tension securing legitimate communications tapping crooks david sternlight great care ensure accuracy information errors omissions excepted 
clipper cheap security organization intercon systems corporation herndon lines distribution world reply amanda amanda walker nntp posting host chaos intercon newsreader intercon connect ebrandt claremont brandt writes deliberately brain dead version cryptosystem peer reviewed owns smart people pulled feal left phones hands agreed remember clipper encryption real sense annoyed government gave remember announcement scheme balancing extremes privacy claiming citizens constitutional encryption clinton federal supreme courts constitutionality administration governmental agency opinion amanda walker intercon systems corporation 
shelf cheap keyseach machine corporate acceptance wiretap chip reply dexter message nntp posting host spectre mitre organization mitre corp bedford lines steven bellovin writes thousands tens thousands arithmetic skipjack keys assume brute force engine hypothesized microsecond trial million chips trials years trials chips running trial nanosecond build machine million chips years solution pernicious problem scheme proposed building brute force machine test keys half escrow agent easy chip test microsecond break weeks break messages involving phone scheme files escrow agent improvement notice xoring truely random strings arbitrary number escrow agents escrowed random strings hand escrow agents encoding scheme match escrow pattern fewer cooperating escrow agents cracking agency benefit robert eachus standard disclaimer standard disclaimer function message text clever ideas return ideas 
screw people crypto hard core hackers spooks organization massachusetts institute technology lines nntp posting host achates article pmetzger shearson perry metzger writes wrote chip algorithm classified reverse engineer people jail lawyer completely utterly untrue official secrets laws punish revealing classified information learned capacity government official contractor laws prohibit stealing information sell chip make reverse engineering revealing details illegal cases information properly exceptions write paper includes sufficiently detailed information build nuclear weapon classified understand nuclear weapons design automatically classified work allowed read paper drivers speed trap fined argue broke discovered location policeman charge interfering police officer similar reverse engineering clipper chip violates constitution find court cases struck laws people comforted fact government violated rights imprisoned john carr 
freely distributable public cryptography code organization brunel university uxbridge newsreader version lines wigglesworth smhanaes utcc utoronto wrote freely distributable code public cryptography archie searches avail heard assume post freeware encryption program includes digital signatures comprehensive management facilities sites source code growing number people excellent software encrypt high standard email data clinton outlaws sites soda berkeley cypherpunks hope helps saville alive thou poet dreams keats public request finger 
clipper chip crypto escrow organization memex information systems east kilbrde scotland lines excerpts clipper announcement questions ability authorized officials access telephone calls data proper court legal order protect citizens suppose enforcement agency conducting wiretap drug smuggling ring intercepts conversation encrypted device decipher message obtain legal authorization court order wiretap place present documentation authorization entities responsible safeguarding keys obtain keys device drug smugglers split parts stored separately order ensure security escrow system sections phrases legal order court order imply ways legal wiretap affect people trust system court orders protect feel escrow system section shows sequence events enforcer armed warrant attaches headphones line croc clips remember folk cope digital telephony hears load modem tones talking analogue telephony modulation scheme clipper boxes record tones keys obtained thought difficult record modem session intermediate point line crash data comms unit demodulates tones stores digital stream decryption suffer problems record tones demodulator line calls recorded decryption easy foil system buying lots clipper units supposed cheap mass market items turn tolerant modulation scheme errors things proposed corporations secure foreign offices phone line quality poor hard digitised speech quality modem handle lots error correction decryption sync devices exportable devices government hardware voice encryption devices subject export control requirements attractions technology protection give companies operating home abroad mind expect export licenses granted case case basis companies seeking devices secure communications abroad raises intersting question illegal connect public telecomms network approved body called babt stated telecom group approve equipment encryption true make good test case friendly countries qualify fish escrowed pool peter ilieve peter 
secret source announcement organization stanford university lines article rick miller writes jbotz jurgen botz writes marc marc horowitz writes sombody snooping marc explanation marc spoofing sincerely doubt denning crew keen react quickly doubt cripple smtp server boot marc spoofing commands work work josh pattern content thing pair eyes important gendlin 
lternate legal wiretaps organization lines nntp posting host summary spooky executive order tuinstra clarkson writes strong incentive vesselin points police agencies rogue keys efficient constitutional means notice release suppose enforcement agency conducting wiretap drug smuggling ring intercepts conversation encrypted device decipher message obtain legal authorization court order wiretap place clear implication legal authorizations court order leaky pages authorized cryptologic tech navy ctrsn spooks navy required gist ussid navy naming presidential executive order outlines spooks respect privacy nationals information unclassified issue hangs wiretap signal detected intrusive means radio listening recorded analyzed analyzed means deciphered radio location locate transmitter catch record signal derivatives maximum days destroyed permission obtained attorney general coast guard cutters find drug runners tens thousands square miles dark rick miller ricxjo muelisto send postcard back enposxtigu bildkarton ricevos alion rick miller woods muskego 
organized lobbying cryptography organization yale university lines distribution inet reply jgfoot yale nntp posting host minerva yale newsreader version minerva tarl neustaedter tarl stratus wrote means public stance complicated issues irrelevant encryption issue people care encryption issue care associate network erotica issue disagree position encryption types defend digitized porn posted encrypted issues seperable maintain 
tapped code good originator rdippold qualcomm nntp posting host qualcom qualcomm organization qualcomm diego distribution lines random uucp jeff hyche writes clipper trademark intergraph risc chip thier workstations intergraph infringement thier sake quiet kneecaps busted good news weeks friday good 
clipper algorithm secret organization brought numbers reply bear noaa message nntp posting host rainier lines article bear noaa bear giles writes article danny bedlam writes algorithm classified military contract similar government equivalent military proprietary design feds developed patent patent publicly betting classified major change beast classified patent patents exist encourage communications develop state classified patents patent secrecy orders suppose invent voice scrambler radio apply patent patent office decides interested copy application nice note back patent application classified national security reasons longer allowed make sell picking happened late analog scrambler violated rules classified suppose publish paper spiffy algorithm file patent application published gain classifying patents countries patent laws system classified patents highly bogus sell widget classified patent allowed patent owns design give money work progress throw jail espionage countries kind system pray peace bill bill stewart bell labs holmdel jersey work cyberspace white house commect line 
shelf cheap keyseach machine corporate acceptance wiretap chip organization bell laboratories lines article graham toal writes article steven bellovin writes thousands tens thousands arithmetic skipjack keys bits count worry cheat caught size things verified externally feed lots random input pairs chip flipping random bits output happen half output bits vary average change input change build weak cryptosystem case bits powerful sense enter encryption late game contrast designed early output change rate appears early round cheat crudely caught remember promised committee experts cryptosystem design assume biased subkey generation schedule stick sore thumb committee lots tests retain output verified chip civilian community secure storage facilities noticed fort meade transporter working oops supposed talk committee members retain secure copies code halves recover program problems scheme people invented stupid crypto game smoke mirrors game longer ways detected easily credibility thing sell system lied civilian committee absence back doors lied size copied programming disk keys lied obvious aspects strength cryptosystem escrow agencies cahoots lying things claiming build cryptosystem back door committee find long folks boxes sabotaged committee release ambiguous report reasons subtle point explain senator keys escrow arrangements smoke mirrors cover regenerate transmitted serial number unit generation process supposed control escrow agents trusted seed values secure trusted half keys secure change thought constant reread denning technical information post steve bellovin 
clipper make good cover encryption method organization intercon systems corporation herndon lines distribution world reply amanda amanda walker nntp posting host chaos intercon newsreader intercon connect bontchev informatik hamburg vesselin bontchev writes people reason surprising current plot allowed happen willingness majority people give freedom exchange sense safety limited endemic problem human society appreciable size structure government combat tendency extent fighting entropy losing battle people comfort freedom paradox long term reasons people weird cross libertarian establishment tool taking utterly pragmatic view government arms government fails protect interests people lifetime expectation result protect interests expecting government fair strong cryptography needed legal time thing government private hands problem important tool legal violate strong sense personal ethics long worth expecting government protect interests citizens accident utter folly jefferson major architects american system government figured couple hundred years corrupt serving time dismantle revolution agree spark participate reason strong supporter individual rights cynical politics written politics trouble drive faster amanda walker intercon systems corporation 
secret source announcement organization capriccioso newsreader version distribution inet lines andrew molitor amolitor wrote monitor phonecalls monitor usenet provide cryptosystems easily crack evidence values values claims border paranoia andrew claim injecting disinformation andrew paranoia refers unwarranted excessive suspicions fear reasonable roots start professionals birth secret executive order harry truman word executive order chartering sealed paranoia complex foot cyclone fence multiple rows barbed wire high voltage complete signs prohibiting making sketches penalty internal security area completely scanned closed circuit television paranoia professionals helped admiral yamamoto japanese paranoid purple cipher germans paranoid engima respect turing british cracking zimmerman telegram paranoia helped germans paranoid emma woikin joseph sidney petersen talk macmillan publishers cooperation suppress yardley japanese diplomatic secrets kahn codebreakers paranoia popular cipher systems captured soviet spies time necessity keeping incriminating evidence proven unbreakable system soviet paranoia wullenwebers huge rhombics pointed embassy sites satellite uplink downlink sites worked classified mitre communications time secret clearance escorted toilet entire site built mosler type vault thick bomb proof door mitre paranoia cite hundred facts support hypothesis notion grabbing fast fool ignore pattern facts conclude random government violent children recent events prove judge william sessions disgrace solemn warning ignore evidence government institutions contempt civil rights excessive side caution harm erring reckless side member crew liberty aver suggest andrew read kahn codebreakers bamford puzzle palace back facts support sheepish acquiescence authority grady 
clipper considered harmful yuan harvard nina yuan distribution inet nntp posting host scws harvard lines shirriff berkeley shirriff writes large subset encrypted communications archived tape read future probable arises warrant obtained imagine found legal constitutional listened valid warrant issued keys obtained imagine archiving phone conversations turns drug dealer listen past drug deals archive calls suspected mafia members potential terrorists radicals imagine convenience police able warrant listening calls world trade center bombers made past year imagine elections clumsily searching clinton passport file voice grep stated earlier telephone conversations years lawyer play intuitively wrong words archived future possibility frightens talk clipper chip cryptography archiving powerful tool easy wouldn happen afraid nina yuan miracle curiosity harvard college survives formal education yuan harvard albert einstein 
clipper sayers sound distribution organization clam associates lines article amolitor nmsu andrew molitor writes article deleted space step outlawing screw thread specifications madness fought tooth nail step crime screw threads fearless leaders graciously define clipper standard step outlawing strong encryption standards government intend outlaw forms encryption clipper waste time money transferring data government agency total fool clipper system backdoor lawbreakers alternate encryption methods assume planning boycotting equipment clipper technology 
tapped code good nntp posting host debra dgbt organization communications research centre ottawa distribution lines article bontchev informatik hamburg writes people thought exaggerating claiming cripple chip step totalitarian plot civil liberties optimist things happening faster expected dirty tricks apply communist regime secret people fact explaining situation previous messages wrote americans wake fight proposal late happened civil liberties violated stollen american people part people sleeping happily happily sleeping people people slightly overreacting sudden draw parallels nazi germany communist russia point matter problem world guess communist country nazi germany complaining complaining shooting shooting real guess people live countries world person complain shot people complaining wrong wrong figure things worse find pretty damn lucky talk action decide overreact vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center university hamburg fachbereich informatik vogt koelln strasse mail bontchev informatik hamburg hamburg germany jerry behavioural research jhan dgbt opinions opinions proud frozen member mighty warriors band memories left ringing ears genesis 
organized lobbying cryptography organization netcom online communication services guest lines generally organization influence proportion narrowness objectives number members strength belief members anti abortion groups strong narrow objectives lots interested members real passionate reason mixing idea diffuses interests groups diminish passion index combined organization clear greatly enlarge organization cooperate organization interest coincide optimum strategy glendenning rlglende perspective worth points niels bohr 
clipper cheap security originator rdippold qualcomm nntp posting host qualcom qualcomm organization qualcomm diego lines gtoal graham toal writes hardware compression needed digital speech heard lets samples data sampling rate usable fancy compression good vocoder give bits locked full rate variable rate voice activity vocoder quality half rate full rate variable full duplex conversations modem requires asics real time multiply instruction things speech real time samples good voice samples isdn samples kbps fast compression kbps quality point bleah work time encryption method sampling hardware problem amiga soundblaster card popular cheap build simple problem soundblaster full duplex sample play backq time making conversation tough special hardware capable sound card required thing worries compression soundblaster automatically hardware good feel processor intensive estimate fast drink poets drink poets 
fighting clipper initiative organization silicon graphics mountain view lines article strnlght david sternlight writes federal reserve open market committee successfully decisions leaking statutory period publication recent studies found corelations announced decisions market continuing early rumors deliberations department agriculture successfully crop forecasts leaking prematurely sheesh remember scandal year leaks vernon schryver 
shelf cheap keyseach machine nntp posting host organization earth lectronic link lines article harris horsley writes intended flame curious manufacture things maintaining escrow security simply trust manufacturer thorny questions reverse engineering point exist gate arrays suchlike security fuse programmed verified programming makes impossible read programming device ignoring reverse engineering questions speaking experience completely reinvent designs years disk file zapped backups devices unreadable security fuses made printouts point worry chips made reliably securely secondary question chip secure methinks robert bickford hacker person derives discovering ways circumvent limitations recognize class criminals juvenile delinquents calling hackers irrelevant true meaning word mafia calls businessmen pays fact attention 
live canada ataris organization edmonton remote systems edmonton canada lines live canada means illeagle citizen send program gigerment wishes restrict dispersil europe ported coppy atarist coppy news feed allan brockman edmonton 
clipper chip technical summary organization brought numbers reply denning georgetown message nntp posting host rainier lines article denning georgetown writes prof denning description skipjack omitted chip structure clipper chip classified block encryption algorithm called skipjack algorithm keys compared rounds scrambling compared supports modes operation throughput mbits family common chips serial number secret unlocks messages encrypted chip message stream digitized voice clipper chip produce values encrypted message stream enforcement block questions bits input bits output bits bits bits bits bits transmit bits time transmit bits wiretap block beginning obnoxious bandwidth limited applications cellular phones regular phones modes interact part output feedback modes apply message block wiretap block wiretap block transmitted beginning incorporated feedback modes mode clipper chip check wiretap block block present receiving chip transmitter check validity limited checking form wiretap block checking serial number reasonableness sort back door structure lets recognize valid case replace wiretap block wiretap block valid avoid attracting attention chip postprocess output regular people serial number dummy paranoid people serial number hand solution easily block message encryption pray peace bill bill stewart bell labs holmdel jersey work cyberspace white house commect line 
tapped code good organization university houston lines distribution nntp posting host menudo reply strnlght message david sternlight writes trust long trust swiss anbody japanese incredible statement suppress public crypto claim encourage strong crypto citizens trust black versus open system karl barrus elee preferred address barrus nextmail karl barrus elee preferred address barrus nextmail 
shelf cheap keyseach machine corporate acceptance wiretap chip organization trusted information systems lines nntp posting host imagine machine trial nanosecond imagine storage medium index archive massive data compression information primary particle universe imagine 
freely distributable public cryptography code summary organization utcc public access lines freely distributable code public cryptography archie searches avail 
tapped code good organization center high perf computing marlboro distribution lines article graham toal writes article uucp myrto writes clinton clipper good make algrithm public people exchange ideas examine isolated respected experts respected time released algorithm implementation identical lacking escrowed note press announcement mentioned algorithm secret security escrow system case security means escrowed clipper chip assuming believed effective algorithm escrow system chip firm escrowed source chip reputable firm government escrow powerful economic incentives source escrowed vendor 
tapped code good reply bontchev informatik hamburg organization virus test center university hamburg distribution lines andersom colorado marc anderson writes methods year crime bill teeth bare gums clinton administration place strict controls data formats protocols require registration called cryptographic keys hope denying drug dealers ability communicate secret clinton approach crackdowns forms underground economic activity deficit causing evaders live luxury expense grandchildren people thought exaggerating claiming cripple chip step totalitarian plot civil liberties optimist things happening faster expected dirty tricks apply communist regime secret people fact explaining situation previous messages wrote americans wake fight proposal late happened civil liberties violated stollen american people part people sleeping happily vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center university hamburg fachbereich informatik vogt koelln strasse mail bontchev informatik hamburg hamburg germany 
clipper make good cover encryption method reply bontchev informatik hamburg organization virus test center university hamburg lines strnlght david sternlight writes notorious styled dissidents heads high tall grass chance clearance people reason surprising current plot allowed happen vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center university hamburg fachbereich informatik vogt koelln strasse mail bontchev informatik hamburg hamburg germany 
secret source announcement organization capriccioso newsreader version lines guess cryptowranglers read group knew easy single doubt mind byte passes significant gateway bone captured colligation data start newsgroup distribution encrypted posts intended members affinity groups shared private coming cypherpunks meeting private meeting passed moderator minutes followup comments participants posted encrypted group people attended communiques intended group attendees signed private otherwises encrypted starting encrypted newsgroup maintaining mailing lists reasons easier archive people join group late easily read earlier posts traffic analysis affinity message directed foiled newsgroup public serve publicize privacy measures internet accumulate secret keyring full keys beats giving shirts door prize send copy encrypted directly judge william sessions admiral studeman save time collected grady 
screw people crypto hard core hackers spooks nntp posting host bistromath mitre organization mitre corporation lines article strnlght david sternlight writes govrnment telling product manufacturer trusted pair escrow agencies situation makers keys cars quickly number doubt presented court order surrender copies government chances locksmiths code numbers house locks installed emergency keys provide keys government pursuant court order prevents buying lock cash installing modifying core match arbitrary difficult home knew fixed locks house office cars good care state difficulty gaining access safe deposit court order analogy safety deposit work system bank clerk keys bank copy lose drill lock replace door time consuming expensive process happy charge account process analogous private escrow system state crack cipher data false analogies peter trei ptrei 
organized lobbying cryptography organization medical college virginia lines article kubo harvard kubo writes mentioned dangers unwelcome political associations remiss suggest opposite direction gathering support emphasizing rkba side issue amendment side kubo harvard hmm gave interesting idea argument amendment bear arms strong cryptography arms government hard export constituitional strong cryptography hard harder exercise exercise rights government slowly restricting existing organization long start join electronic desk langford health sciences computing virginia commonwealth university mail langford langford bitnet 
shelf cheap keyseach machine corporate acceptance wiretap chip organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex thousands tens thousands arithmetic skipjack keys bits count worry cheat caught size things verified externally feed lots random input pairs chip output device designed registered feds feed user change possibilities main reason proposal unacceptable disappears 
shelf cheap keyseach machine corporate acceptance wiretap chip organization harris computer systems division lines nntp posting host amber harris reply message unit generation process supposed control escrow agents trusted seed values secure trusted half keys secure hope understand system chips manufactured maintaining half total control separate escrow agencies halfs form time chip constructed built fusable prom chip escrow agency program agency program invents safeguards prevent agency reading information programmed intended flame curious manufacture things maintaining escrow security simply trust manufacturer domain tahorsley harris usmail horsley uucp uunet tahorsley kingbird circle delray beach censorship form obscenity wait forgot government tobacco subsidies 
tapped code good organization northeastern university distribution lines article jhan dgbt jerry writes happily sleeping people aren people slightly overreacting sudden draw parallels nazi germany communist russia point matter problem world guess communist country nazi germany complaining complaining shooting shooting real guess people live countries world person complain shot people complaining wrong wrong figure things worse find pretty damn lucky talk action decide overreact liberties talk make problem make opposite worse angel northeastern opinions entity full stars dave company epidemic 
organized lobbying cryptography organization francisco state university distribution inet lines article jgfoot yale writes tarl neustaedter tarl stratus wrote means public stance complicated issues irrelevant encryption issue people care encryption issue care associate network erotica issue disagree position encryption types defend digitized porn posted encrypted issues seperable maintain post encrypted encryption persons decrypt data care people concern continued erosion constitutional rights amendments note shaun hughes facts stupid things sphughes sfsu ronald reagan republican national finger public convention 
organized lobbying cryptography organization yale university lines distribution inet reply jgfoot yale nntp posting host minerva yale newsreader version minerva shaun hughes sphughes sfsu wrote article jgfoot yale writes deletion encryption types defend digitized porn posted encrypted issues seperable maintain post encrypted encryption persons decrypt data care people responding person tarl neustaedter held organization fight crytography rights supports distribute pornography internet crypto people object words implying people protect speech long encrypted 
tapped code good organization express access online communications greenbelt lines distribution nntp posting host access digex agreed pigs fiasco planned eisenhower administration final green light kennedy kennedy full responsibility expect slick willie clinton 
tapped code good organization society conservation momentum distribution lines article jhan dgbt jerry writes article happily sleeping people aren people slightly overreacting sudden draw parallels nazi germany communist russia reasonable parallels russia claimed communist point matter problem world guess communist country nazi germany complaining protest communist country socialist dictatorships whilst socialist democracies france australia people disagree france australia socialist complaining shooting shooting real guess people live countries world person complain shot circumstances public meeting night protester nice calm speaker started beware opinions forced meeting armed policemen things notice australian visitor notice people complaining wrong wrong figure things worse find pretty damn lucky lucky moment hope true years time happen required concious effort talk action decide overreact react react andrew disclaimer opinions represent society conservation momentum group hope lose student visa result opinions andrew conway stanford phone 
shelf cheap keyseach machine corporate acceptance wiretap chip organization harvey mudd college claremont lines article steven bellovin writes remember promised committee experts cryptosystem design hope silicon jocks committee follow algorithm hardware doubt pull monkey business point expect chip reverse engineered sooner obvious opportunity introduce additional holes steve bellovin finger mail ebrandt claremont 
organized lobbying cryptography organization test systems strategies beaverton oregon lines langford writes article kubo harvard kubo writes mentioned dangers unwelcome political associations remiss suggest opposite direction gathering support emphasizing rkba side issue amendment side hmm gave interesting idea argument amendment bear arms strong cryptography arms government hard export constituitional strong cryptography existing organization organization idea carries undesireable baggage cpsr shot reputable organizers reading message effective group existence count signing george mitchell george 
lobby xxmessage xxdate nntp posting host johnson organization electronic frontier foundation useragent nuntius lines article langford writes hard harder exercise exercise rights government slowly restricting existing organization long start join successful number things drop congresspersons office flooded postcards faxes phone calls cool internet powers organization action long informed events bboard make call action strong community calls realize optomistic glad working loop issues underestimate potential political action adam speak 
shelf cheap keyseach machine corporate acceptance wiretap chip reply message nntp posting host epcot harlequin organization harlequin limited cambridge england lines article steven bellovin writes article graham toal writes article steven bellovin writes thousands tens thousands arithmetic skipjack keys bits count worry cheat caught size things verified externally feed lots random input pairs chip flipping random bits output happen half output bits vary average change input change build weak cryptosystem case bits powerful sense enter encryption late game contrast designed early output change rate appears early round cheat crudely caught cryptosytem starts xoring bits bits system makes early exhaustive search keys search test varying single bits turn interesting remember promised committee experts cryptosystem design assume biased subkey generation schedule stick sore thumb algorithm suggest stick sore thumb design system subtle redundancy hidden make exhaustive search encryptions claim real keysize verified externally andy latto andyl 
clipper cheap security organization swiss federal institute technology zurich lines article gtoal graham toal writes hardware compression needed digital speech heard lets samples data sampling rate usable fancy compression isdn call swissnet plugged channel kbit guess sampling rate quality analog line compression algorithms factors voice germano caronni instruments register things designed register space infinite unknowns germano caronni caronni ethz 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryp distribution world organization mantis consultants cambridge lines gtoal graham toal writes effect chip make private crypto stand sore thumb chip catches means alternatives developed happen clipper discredited tony lezard tony public tony mantis servers public keys bbea 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization mantis consultants cambridge newsreader rusnews lines bena monash aveling writes forget country russians apple security concerns british inmos transputer systems security concerns designed damn things mathew 
encryption nntp posting host organization university maryland college park lines promised spoke today company mentioned washington times article clipper chip announcement company secure communicatiions technology information message contact basically disturbed announcement reasons specifically bryen secure communications brought light points interest readers belief made clipper rest industry reasons company size able make decision chip announced months proposed chip secure telephone devices basically blew interested stuck strange spoke melnick cryptographer expressed concerns clipper chip obvious backdoor able people decrypt code released authorities security crypto system lost forever keys hands agency government fact escrowed keys change means algorithm vulnerable time attacker classified algorithm hide backdoor feels people forging fake serial numbers changing keys additionally feels spent time money working chip reversed engineered feels reverse engineering difficult feels developed suitable technique protect chip attack feels chip hardware encoded algorithm microcoded chip additonally spoke melnick algorithm agorithm patented told algorithm released public review patents granted crypto community secure algorithm called encryption algorithm details sketchy held trade secret patent issued told incorporate fast encryption data exact specs melnick stated faster symmetric cipher idea data blocks encryption idea length melnick states adujustable adequate security algorithm written assembler software form ported platforms unlike clipper chip hardware made software definite widespread algorithm accomodate public distribution techniques diffie hellman supported hardware chip projected cost chip dollars clipper chip produced happen sell program called algorithm special streaming protocol divide encrypted data blocks prevent plaintext attacks block header program operates supported speeds software implementation algorithm importantly backdoor company afraid clipper chip business real possibility stopping clipper chip standard contact reached secure communications technology georgia suite silver spring talked bryen represents company answer questions factual errors occurring write apologize ahead time psionic fight wiretap chip craig rowland amiga give liberty request security deserve 
clipper cheap security nntp posting host vier informatik organization university kaiserslautern germany lines gtoal graham toal writes hardware compression needed digital speech heard lets samples data sampling rate usable fancy compression note cable freak completely misunderstood math frequently noted wrong check calculations assume means bits assume start stopbit protocol overhead effective number bytes assume transmit speech stereo send samples corresponds nyquist frequency quality sound converter present signal alias higher frequencies build filter overcome problem hand speech easily compressible form power spectra simply band pass filter linearize fourier transforms quality sound discernible power spectrum method good respect programmed software compressor compression rates relative errors linearization common musical sounds speech stephan closed inventory leave pickaxe public request note expiration date 
tapped code good organization nasa langley research center hampton lines distribution inet nntp posting host oldtown larc nasa article rboudrie boudrie writes article graham toal writes article uucp myrto writes clinton clipper good make algrithm public people exchange ideas examine isolated respected experts respected time released algorithm implementation identical lacking escrowed note press announcement mentioned algorithm secret security escrow system case security means escrowed clipper chip assuming believed effective algorithm escrow system chip firm escrowed source chip reputable firm government escrow powerful economic incentives source escrowed vendor sources compatible clipper algorithm chips escrowed keys reputable firm produces chip escrowed replacement clipper chip phone algorithm widely evaluated trusted problem clipper reverse engineered organization sufficient resources billions cocaine dollars drug dealers worried slipping cracks abiding incredibly wealthy citizens naturally recourse claiming algorithm released prevent people escrowed chips plain deceitful analysis chip output provide information headers whatnot build chips algorithm escrow keys bunches cheap phones mart week play swap clipper chip cellular phone michael palmer crazy writes secret palmer nasa conceal ripem server vulgar roger bacon 
detect illegal cipher organization center high perf computing marlboro lines impressions scheme strong crypto contention algorythm secret protect security registration suggests inherent weakness algorythm dont constructing black market devices dont keys registered notice session preventing black market chips escrowed keys protecting security escrow system parts security system preventing decruption unauthorized personel assuring gummit decrypt clipper traffic authorizes ministry propoganda tallking boudrie rboudrie care guess encryption scheme newly formed database anarch cryptists oppose entire lunacy 
screw people crypto hard core hackers spooks rubin beckman arthur rubin organization beckman instruments nntp posting host beckman lines john carr writes cases information properly exceptions write paper includes sufficiently detailed information build nuclear weapon classified understand nuclear weapons design automatically classified work allowed read paper thrown courts progressive case drivers speed trap fined argue broke discovered location policeman charge interfering police officer similar reverse engineering clipper chip outright illegal violate amendment give case speed trap upheld courts arthur rubin rubin beckman work beckman instruments brea arthur personal opinions represent employer 
tapped code good rubin beckman arthur rubin distribution organization beckman instruments nntp posting host beckman lines strnlght david sternlight writes article elee menudo karl barrus writes trust black versus open system absolutely assured trusted black secure conceal government russian japanese french competitors services read traffic competitive information safe commercial competitors foreign governments identical motivations respect activities president senior government officials made clear share motivations trust coincidence interests argument basic trust professionalism high confidence skills david david sternlight great care ensure accuracy information errors omissions excepted errors omissions arthur rubin rubin beckman work beckman instruments brea arthur personal opinions represent employer 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization beckman software engineering reply mbeckman distribution world mailer uaccess lite macintosh release lines article crypt security comp talk comp security misc comp comp iee brad brad templeton writes assume moment system secure halves encryption independent escrow houses trust escrow houses aclu joking names problem assume reasoning extreme close arrive assume perfectly assumptions make system secure government algorithm secret plenty encryption algorithms depend nondisclosure secure world reasons honest assume trust escrow houses time checked single branch government experienced unauthorized disclosure corruption fabrication supposedly secure data govt yeah trust bullcrypt finally state explicitly implicitly assume warrant mechanism country safe reasonable case ventura county shot killed officers serving deliberately fraudulant warrant tells govt long ways score remember catch drug dealers pointed current proposal deployed render secure encryption expensive inconvenient uncle brand able afford sufficiently motivated purchase expensive inconvenient higher protection lots extra cash true strong encryption outlawed outlaws strong encryption beckman internet mbeckman beckman software engineering compuserve ventura voice observe watching yogi bera 
open letter clinton organization beckman software engineering reply mbeckman distribution world mailer uaccess lite macintosh release lines article crypt strnlght david sternlight writes simple convert clipper proposal unexceptionable make voluntary high quality secure classified technology agree escrow david economist flaws logic naive market flooded proprietary weak encryption strong encryption unable compete suppose govt secret broadcast standard sold cost private industry standard widespread govt early flooding market cheap proprietary sets industry technology programming broadcast govt unduplicatable standard compete flaw making voluntary today ensures voluntary future renew drivers license week required give produce card veryify number note federal state local govt require ssns drivers license registration specifically trust govt trust arrangement require trust time fishy carefully beckman internet mbeckman beckman software engineering compuserve ventura voice observe watching yogi bera 
tapped code good nntp posting host habu organization metaflow technologies lines nice hominem attacks prof denning sternlight objective views ahead subject point personal attacks reflect attacker attackee throw light heat restrict discussion newsgroups submit comp comp iee discussion made subscribers newsgroups aware issue participate discussion easily join crypt comp security misc security comp talk russ schnapp email netcom metaflow rschnapp rschnapp rschnapp metaflow technologies voice jolla california speaking 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow organization beckman software engineering reply mbeckman distribution world mailer uaccess lite macintosh release lines article crypt brad brad templeton writes interestingly designing escrow unusual technology sealed boxes paper destructive read memory typical computer databases database hundreds millions keys larger problem disclosed keys decrypt previously recorded conversations gather proposal warrant required keys collect conversations scenario agency collects preemptively encrypted conversations people targets necessarily legitimate targets arranges unrelated incident trigger warrant honor suspect received calls noted crime figure bugsy butthead calls arranged agency warrant determine suspect sensitive govt post corrupt suppose conceivable session keys involved technical overview mention details number bits held escrow authority scheme full holes stinks high heaven beckman internet mbeckman beckman software engineering compuserve ventura voice observe watching yogi bera 
screw people crypto hard core hackers spooks organization macquarie university sydney australia lines nntp posting host laurel article john carr writes chip algorithm classified reverse engineer people jail find credible argument reasons supplied care entering time future taiwanese backyard cloners decap custom silicon reproduce daughterboards pirating high profit arcade machines care care confidentiality people real care travelling countries business reasons follow laws contend main threat grave doubts algorythm widely distributed silicon possibly called classified handing military secrets world envelopes marked open imagine credible defences employed trial stupidity government actions foreign governments corporations cracking system government stop importation clone hardware software implementation practical amusing thought employed algorythm infeasable fast software implementation easy custom hardware extensive permutation tables trivial hardware swap lines slow software effect speed difference hardware software implementations cipher suspect lucifer designers aware approved algorythms parallel search algorythms slow software custom hardware proof employment clipper pure conjecture software implementation cipher designers avoid costs inclusion techniques credible hmm intergraph thinks clipper device farquhar phone office computing services macquarie university australia email ifarqhar 
screw people crypto hard core hackers spooks organization macquarie university sydney australia lines nntp posting host laurel article ameline ameline writes reverse engineer clipper chip knowlege algorithm fairly widespread back doors weaknesses discredit scheme grow market demand secure alternative admit point running mind discussion dice long decaps work full details clipper algorythm trivial impossibly difficult half decent vlsi design student able photograph technology familiar description input output control supply lines figure function subsystems uncommon exercise performed training makes design decisions made designers speculate chips manufactured tamperproof carriers techniques expensive thing supposed cheap produce legal legislative framework prevent publication algorythm correct wrong supposed sold internationally suppose reason algorythm remaining secret moment idiot bureaucrat untrammeled realities situation decided secret supposed secret random thoughts farquhar phone office computing services macquarie university australia email ifarqhar 
tapped code good organization mail news gateway wang labs distribution lines jhan dgbt jerry writes point matter problem world guess communist country nazi germany john edgar hoover complaining complaining shooting guess people live countries world person complain shot people complaining wrong wrong figure things worse find pretty damn lucky talk action decide overreact harm overreacting largest single threat civil liberties lifetime pretty heinous things past recovered historical trend liberty occasional perturbations time break quotes american political radicals lyle transarc grant street gulf tower pittsburgh instances abridgement freedom people gradual silent encroachment power violent sudden usurpation james madison 
secret source announcement organization department mathematical sciences lines distribution inet nntp posting host moink nmsu article grady writes guess cryptowranglers read group knew easy single doubt mind byte passes significant gateway bone captured colligation data claims hear practically daily monitors crack release cryptosystem crack people fascinating facts puzzle palace buck hand true pretty supposed things provide high quality cryptosystems variety places recall reading reliable supposed monitor phonecalls monitor usenet provide cryptosystems easily crack evidence values values claims border paranoia andrew 
clipper chip facts request organization nice thing lines read clipper announcements days uninformed speculation chip government plots questions clipper chip implement skipjack cryptographic algorithm implement chip chip communications protocol implement communications protocol crypt chip chip specifications spec sheets obtained purchase conditions restrictions chip system security algorithm encrypted communications require family secret secret family secret make traffic analysis difficult enforcement message random information random chip programmed reveal unit chip serial number programming parameters raymond brand rbrand 
tapped code good distribution nntp posting host beethoven colostate organization colorado state university computer science department lines article bontchev informatik hamburg writes andersom colorado marc anderson writes methods year crime bill teeth bare gums clinton administration place strict controls data formats protocols require registration called cryptographic keys hope denying drug dealers ability communicate secret clinton approach crackdowns forms underground economic activity deficit causing evaders live luxury expense grandchildren people thought exaggerating claiming cripple chip step totalitarian plot civil liberties optimist things happening faster expected dirty tricks apply communist regime secret people fact explaining situation previous messages wrote americans wake fight proposal late happened civil liberties violated stollen american people part people sleeping happily write congressman make respect violates freedom speech feds enforce protect freedoms force doug holland doug holland freedom holland colostate speech mail cold dead lips 
clipper cheap security organization harvey mudd college claremont lines article amanda amanda walker writes agreed remember clipper encryption real sense annoyed agree assessment promotion providing greater protection bare voice true fulfill stated goal letting wiretap terrorists drug dealers restrict stronger techniques wiretap targets presently strong encryption weak encryption vast majority encryption classes tapped weak encryption phone encryption class merged weak encryption class introduction clipper targets presently enjoying strong privacy give rely privacy system expressly designed deny people doubt mere introduction scheme give government stated goal preventing degradation wiretapping capabilities fulfilled restriction domestic cryptography restriction clipper appears public mute complaints find grossly inadequate tradeoff fear public large care hate mention control people assault weapon word sort automatic weapon caliber thing legal people cryptology suspect strong cryptography easily labeled secrecy abiding citizens clinton federal supreme courts constitutionality administration governmental agency opinion opinion matters continue overturned courts reluctant annul regulation length decide cases grounds congress levy burdensome place enforcement hands batf case invoke commerce clause clause days required supreme court ruled prohibitory statute unconstitutional congress prohibited drugs textual commerce clause controlled substances stands government amanda walker finger mail ebrandt claremont 
clipper make good cover encryption method organization intercon systems corporation herndon lines distribution world reply amanda amanda walker nntp posting host chaos intercon newsreader intercon connect amanda amanda walker writes arms government fails protect interests people lifetime expectation make clear refers protects fails protect lifetime government consistently protect interest citizens accident amanda walker intercon systems corporation 
tapped code good organization partnership america free drug distribution lines cmhnet stampfli writes wouldn monitor similar type scrolling gibberish adjacent provide reasonable resistance tempest attacks location directional antenna lock monitor failing phased array seperate signals admittedly expensive rest stuff perry metzger pmetzger laissez faire laissez passer monde meme 
shelf cheap keyseach machine corporate acceptance wiretap chip originator arussell austin organization austin lines article dexter steve simmons writes steven bellovin writes thousands tens thousands arithmetic skipjack keys assume brute force engine hypothesized microsecond trial million chips trials years trials chips running trial nanosecond build machine million chips years solution argue steve read years solutions imagine machine trial nanosecond imagine storage medium index archive company worked previously received file encryped person vaction wait weeks straight frontal attack time days crack file faith russell dept oltp section pals group ausvm email arussell phone tieline views silly free berkeley 
white house public encryption management fact sheet article rwing distribution organization totally unorganized lines article paul gsfc nasa paul olson writes article stratus carl ellison writes article clipper ncsl nist clipper chip announcement writes attorney general good post describing store deleted interesting note months rush limbaugh clinton plumbers force shortly clinton henchmen firmly strong ubiquitous government control anytime leader believes leader means retain control government back living equivalent high tech world dictatorship responsibility personal welfare actions totally agree propose government back listen people people responsibile person telnetted site clipper chip release entity clipper lists person commands disabled sound administration accountability information control people secret development implimentation clipper chip decision backs unaurhorized encryption methods software considered terrorist tools subject civil forfeiture systems running watch wrong government cooperative people taking back resources unlimited access media propeganda guns guns clinton agenda succeeds play ball waco good expect warrant released stated reason raid spent large weapons undetermined amount time recall spending money guns illegal clinton history worst thing happen peoples socalist democratic republic america psdra brother listening hail brother sister years late uucp prejudice myrto seattle fails uunet pilchuck rwing wisdom things infinite universe human stupidity albert einstien 
clipper cheap security organization northern telecom lines article amanda amanda walker wrote thing clipper offers interoperability higher degree security proprietary voice encryption systems means cheaper proprietary scheme easier cheaper dollars subsidy chips chips sell stop government giving interest national security deploy feature depending amanda walker intercon systems corporation steven holton network administrator fast northern telecom replies cmsph bounce sholton opinions expressed 
clipper make good cover encryption method reply paul crowley organization edinburgh university lines quoting strnlght david sternlight article article kadie carl kadie writes replacements clipper front ends makes sense government prohibits alternative escrowed encryption schemes front clipper make private encryption stick sore thumb government start sharp interest paul crowley trust fold fish jesus 
tapped code good article rwing distribution organization totally unorganized lines article felixg felix gallo writes clinton clipper good suggest attack clinton ballistic reagardless proposed thing step gradual erosion rights constitution bill rights couple decades stop series runs protections constitution stop good time late allready fallen chicken calling makes position higly credible lenin term folks outlook faith trustworthiness honesty government primarily concerned people control suspect unpleasant surprise nipped waiting abridgements bill rights uucp prejudice myrto seattle fails uunet pilchuck rwing wisdom things infinite universe human stupidity albert einstien 
tapped code good article rwing distribution organization totally unorganized lines article geoff ucla geoffrey kuenning writes article uucp myrto writes fishing expeditions target knowlege give safe negotiable clinton quietly developed thing figuring amazes quick people blame administration current things possibly initiated chip years develop claiming clinton administration sneaked bullshit bush administration career gestapo responsible horror careerists presented presidency fait accompli excuse clinton gore criticism stupid body proper door start correct clinton initiate cast granite implimenting stopping decision stated post give damn administration find totally unacceptable impliments rams throats office bush deprive amendment rights clinton busting butt regard reveals total difference philosophy clinton appears support idea total people control eavesdropping feel real security common person ability defend oneself illegal attack source trust protect control find inconvenient clinton shown utter contempt public disclosure accountability plenty time change policy didn expanded bush office howling louder uucp prejudice myrto seattle fails uunet pilchuck rwing wisdom things infinite universe human stupidity albert einstien 
organized lobbying cryptography reply paul crowley organization edinburgh university distribution inet lines quoting jgfoot yale article encryption types defend digitized porn posted encrypted issues seperable maintain fact effective encryption makes censorship impossible issue fall paul crowley trust fold fish jesus 
revised technical summary clipper chip distribution world organization georgetown university lines revised version summary corrects errors additional information explanation clipper chip technical summary dorothy denning revised april introduction april president announced initiative bring federal government industry voluntary program provide secure communications meeting legitimate enforcement heart plan tamper proof encryption chip called clipper chip split approach escrowing keys escrow agencies parts needed reconstruct chip contents clipper chip classified single block encryption algorithm called skipjack algorithm keys compared rounds scrambling compared supports modes operation algorithm takes clock ticks electronic codebook mode runs mbits chip includes components skipjack encryption algorithm family common chips serial number length subject change secret unlocks messages encrypted chip chips programmed mykotronx calls silicon supplied vlsi technology implemented micron technology initially sell quantities price drop technology shrunk micron encrypting chip chip imagine embedded telephone security device suppose call device pushing button start secure conversation security device negotiate session device negotiation takes place clipper chip general method exchange diffie hellman public distribution method session established clipper chip encrypt conversation message stream digitized voice telephone security device feeds chip produce values encrypted message stream enforcement field transmitted telephone line enforcement field session encrypted unit concatenated serial number encrypted family enforcement field decrypted enforcement authorized wiretap installed ciphertext decrypted receiver device session chip programming escrow clipper chips programmed inside scif secure compartmented information facility essentially vault scif laptop computer equipment program chips chips programmed single session scif located mykotronx beginning session trusted agent escrow agencies enters vault agent enters secret random laptop agent enters secret random random values serve seeds generate unit keys sequence serial numbers unit keys function secret random bits agent generate unit serial number padded fixed block produce block keys triple encrypt producing block similarly padded blocks produce additional blocks computed concatenated giving bits bits assigned bits rest discarded unit parts separately escrowed escrow agencies sequence values generated written separate floppy disks disk file serial number part disk similar values disk unit keys agent takes disk agent takes disk agent walks knowing seed parts agent bits generate keys parts disk program chips chips programmed information discarded vault agents leave laptop destroyed additional assurance information left protocol changed slightly people room provide seeds escrow agents disks back escrow agencies escrow agencies determined enforcement agency independent government enforcement enforcement authorized encrypted line warrant service provider order access communications line assume place determined line encrypted clipper chip enforcement field decrypted family giving documentation certifying authorized party serial number secure escrow agents return secure xored produce unit decrypted session finally message stream decrypted accomplished special black decoder capstone generation successor clipper chip called capstone government mykotronx developed include skipjack algorithm digital signature standard secure hash algorithm method exchange fast exponentiator randomizer prototoype testing april chips expected ready delivery june july acknowledgment distribution notice article based information provided nist mykotronx permission distribute document granted 
lobby nntp posting host casco lance colostate organization colorado state engineering college lines article charles gross writes cool internet powers organization action long informed events bboard make call action strong community calls realize optomistic glad working loop issues underestimate potential political action adam speak motion favor days charles posted names addresses phone numbers voice congress members info witha great number cabinet captured single people list bombard lobbying clipper chip nate hate quotations message brought nate sammons number ralph waldo emerson lance colostate 
algorithm secret organization world boston distribution lines observation chip standard algorithm remain secret leaving government remaining option make escrowed keys illegal begin bother terrorists child abusers government fond referring note federalist papers stress reason citizens bear arms defend army army imho primary purpose private crypto defend government terrorist worried goverment damages quality life robert ullmann ariel quand maigret poussa porte tabac fontaine vers heure demie patron venait lever descendait lentement escalier colimaon amorait dans arrire salle arriv derrire comptoir repousa garon geste ngligent main saisit bouteille blanc verre mlangea minrale renverse arrire gargarisa simenon text universal character 
estimating wiretap costs benefits summary benefits greater thought organization vegas lines article hanson nasa robin hanson writes rough estimate suggests wiretaps worth million dollars year enforcement agencies wiretaps arrests total police expenditures billion million arrests statistical abstracts working estimating wiretap benefit accurately assuming arrests equal wiretaps spread uniformly comparatively tiny number wiretaps difficulty cost involved judges technicians expect enforcement reserves wiretaps valuable cases arrest vary enormous range jaywalking mass murder million estimate couple orders magnitude 
secret source announcement organization harvey mudd college claremont lines article rick miller writes jbotz jurgen botz writes sombody snooping marc explanation marc spoofing expansion personally people results allegation incorrect finger mail ebrandt claremont 
compression partial answer organization michigan state university lines nntp posting host scss newsreader version information file system compression today called microsoft hotline told resource specifications compression interface resource costs shipping ordered copy post posting order turnaround working days good source info speak slightly skeptical resource likelihood detailed programming info mark posted crypt file system encryption 
shelf cheap keyseach machine corporate acceptance wiretap chip reply message nntp posting host spectre mitre organization mitre corp bedford lines fooled exponents keys league particles universe remember avagadro number elementary particles molecules mole pretty small universe gigabytes tape trillion tapes allowing bytes entry existing magnetic media planet wait years including existing audio video cassettes total trillion person worldwide meaning suspicions hiden messages robert eachus standard disclaimer standard disclaimer function message text clever ideas return ideas 
escrow database nntp posting host castor houston geoquest organization geoquest system houston lines article pmetzger shearson perry metzger writes escrow databases fits conveniently single valuable exabyte tape easier time cares hold clipper keys country pocket tapes excellent point related point make back databases tape copies secure tapes store site hard hijack transit site good bomb attack group intent freeing threat government snooping care problem government misplaced copy mail copy 
clipper make good cover encryption method organization harvey mudd college claremont lines article kadie carl kadie writes clipper good cover layer encryption provide overview proposed systems chip spec sheet skipjack sounds normal digital encryption algorithm data path voice digitize compress encrypt compression data wire wait isdn lucky feeding encrypted data compressor chuckle guts phone hack compressed data stream selected parts output stream hits modem fast modems encryption plug phone wall carl finger mail ebrandt claremont 
secret source announcement organization panix public access unix lines jbotz jurgen botz writes interesting smtp server csrc ncsl nist longer recognizes expn vrfy commands telnet csrc ncsl nist smtp connected csrc ncsl nist escape character sendmail nist ready expn clipper command unrecognized sombody snooping marc good thing csspub mailing list csspab ncsl nist address clipper mailing list basically members nist security board addition names posted true names burrows james burrows director nist national computer systems laboratory mcnulty lynn mcnulty associate director computer security national institute standards technology computer systems laboratory gangemi ncsc gaetano gangemi director secure systems program wang laboratories wrote computer security basics deborah russell gangemi reilly associates slambert citicorp sandra lambert vice president information security citibank lipner lipner mitre corp director information systems gallagher ncsc patrick gallagher director national security agency national computer security center security board member walker stephen walker computer security expert president trusted information systems glenwood willis willis ware rand corp executive chairs security board whitehurst william whitehurst security board member director corp data security programs harry shapiro habs list administrator extropy institute mailing list private communication extropian community harry shapiro habs list administrator extropy institute mailing list private communication extropian community 
secret algorithm clipper chip crypto escrow summary keywords organization george mason university fairfax distribution world expires lines reading debate clipper things people activly encryption privately care issues surround debate questions care wether secure bottom line people form encryption group spans people morons insist good secure standard people improve existing strategies approve blindly strategy leaves methods open abuse clipper people make mistakes nature government made people vulnerable mistakes people marginaly familiar vulnerabilities present current software encryption stratigies blindly trust figure good compromise clipper chip strengths weaknesses exist high degree confidence developing chip fourth criminal abuse stupid people open caught built back door clipper chip investigation secure data problem pretty damned fast assume start easily obtainible methods encryption avalible issue truth private encryption users simply give damn legal status works change moment criminal intent slowed advent clipper chip easy convert encrypted data unintellgible garbage clipper chip adds tool user bottom line people works unavoidibly criminals face encryption related charge potentialy lead death penalty charges case criminals murder part conspiricy thing struck advent wide useage public encryption begun simply interest snooping pandora opened change blindness found utterly stunning clipper chip presented confirms larger degree sincerly scanlon 
estimating wiretap costs benefits organization harvey mudd college claremont lines article rlglende robert lewis glendenning writes fuck nasa wasting dollars policy papers stuff purvew mission paying favor resign paper nasa work society find estimate annual enforcement million rough wiretaps preferentially hard catch criminals resulting underestimate twenty cents head population find rigorous numbers make nice slogans privacy worth turns glendenning rlglende finger mail ebrandt claremont 
tapped code good distribution organization visicom laboratories diego california lines article graham toal writes completely baffled dorothy denning chosen throw academic respectability hasn dorothy denning spent years earning professional respect colleagues manner easily lost support clipper matter unpopular position serves enhance clipper respectability diminish jeff makey department tautological pleonasms superfluous redundancies department disclaimer opinions strictly author domain makey uucp nosc visicom makey 
feds troll mutilated enforcement blocks originator koontzd organization loral rolm computer systems lines denning skipjack encryption algorithm family common chips serial number secret unlocks messages encrypted chip encrypted message stream enforcement block session transmitted encrypted unit serial number encrypted family protocol recovered differential analysis postulate chip logic sitting clipper chip communications channel function spoof chip twofold transmit channel spoof chip xors encrypted serial number secondary keying variable renders serial number unrecoverable family receive channel spoof chip xors incoming encrypted serial number secondary keying variable assuming integrity enforcement block local operation checksums sequence control result hiding serial number probable theere plaintext pattern filler block bits generating correctness enforcement block determined family proposed federal agencies denied recover correctness serial number tested examining bits selectively alter enforcement block mutilation detected approach mutilate entire enforcement block group encryption scheme skipjack chances enforcement block recovered lessened transmission protocol recognized serial numbers decrypted target search digital transmission widely requirement clipper protocol transmissions refused mutilated enforcement blocks avoid notice spoof protocol information block spoofing enforcement block goal secure communications scheme redress detection interception contained encrypted enforcement block data stream returned original state clipper chip system required proper operation improbable entire protocol contained clipper chip sequence events tested requiring valid enforcement block received accepting decrypting spoof chip implemented protocols including resulting serial data stream existing clipper products subborned high security encryption systems super encipherment encryption chip redress detection chip disclosure serial number security adequate deny serial number recoverable means outs procurring clipper phones number units high stealing mistake part authority nice point privacy serial number clipper chip chips manufacturing distribution process list missing stolen clipper serial numbers encrypted protocols sufficient plaintext attact super encrypted clipper stream made difficult altering temporal spatial relationship clipper stream super encrypted stream detection encrypted stream aforementioned scheme capture valid enforcement blocks codebook sustitution point valid enforcement block stored library utilizing session matching remainder transmission simply deliver monitoring hostile forces seemingly valid enforcement block captured enforcement blocks authenticators manually keyed encryption system fending require escalation examining protocols blocks transmission code stream independently attacked based knowledge clipper chip protocols revealed plaintext invalidated changing temporal spatial relationship clipper stream actual transmitted stream control secure generator synchronized endpoints life time captured enforcement blocks limited based hostile forces targets transmission interception large number supposed millions things adding time stamps encrypted enforcement block impractical encryption chip real time clock entire idea enforcement block invalidated 
feds troll mutilated enforcement blocks organization loral rolm spec computers lines code stream independently attacked based knowledge clipper chip protocols revealed plaintext invalidated changing temporal spatial relationship clipper stream actual transmitted stream control secure generator synchronized endpoints life time captured enforcement blocks limited based hostile forces targets transmission interception large number supposed millions things adding time stamps encrypted enforcement block impractical encryption chip real time clock entire idea enforcement block invalidated thought capture enforcement blocks session keys actual transmissions session authenticators proviso mind serial number discovered denning information version clipper chip hash function embedded clipper transmission block reflecting enforcement block fall block boundaries recognizeable datum randomizer inclusion remember reading intel approved random noise source silicon ability inside mykotronx sounds made names companies fronts intelligence organizations 
political point attack clipper infrastructure reply tuinstra clarkson organization microsystems lines nntp posting host signal clarkson earlier argument clipper encourage state local cops commit criminal acts largely moot learned perform actual encourage commit criminal acts point avenue attack clipper proposal aclu cpsr foia requests made details bureaucratic equipment infrastructure proposed budgeted service tapping requests projected future figures estimate number clipper requests expecting publish figure compare capita basis amount tapping suspected estimate expensive install clipper tapping stations rapidly built installed minus epsilon future mite disturbing public things technical details providing tapping requests transmitted authenticated hard guess good scheme results securely transmitted audio tapes privacy established investigation complete dwight tuinstra tuinstra clarkson tolerable tuinstrd camp clarkson homo sapiens planetary cancer news 
clipper corrupt cops proposal police point view organization bell laboratories lines article tuinstra clarkson dwight tuinstra writes clear implication legal authorizations court order leaky wiretap statute handy registers title code note vague chance check registers general prohibition register trap trace device exception general provided section person install register trap trace device obtaining court order section title foreign intelligence surveillance emergency register trap trace device installation notwithstanding provision chapter investigative enforcement officer specially designated attorney general deputy attorney general associate attorney general assistant attorney general acting assistant attorney general deputy assistant attorney general principal prosecuting attorney state subdivision thereof acting pursuant statute state determines emergency situation exists involves danger death bodily injury person conspiratorial activities characteristic organized crime requires installation register trap trace device order authorizing installation diligence obtained grounds order entered chapter authorize installation installed register trap trace device forty hours installation occurred begins occur order approving installation issued accordance section title absence authorizing order immediately terminate information sought obtained application order denied forty hours lapsed installation register trap trace device whichever earlier knowing installation investigative enforcement officer register trap trace device pursuant subsection application authorizing order forty hours installation constitute violation chapter 
clipper considered harmful distribution inet organization bell laboratories lines article shirriff berkeley shirriff writes imagine archiving phone conversations turns drug dealer listen past drug deals archive calls suspected mafia members potential terrorists radicals imagine convenience police able warrant listening calls world trade center bombers made past year archiving powerful tool easy happen storage search requirements evidence inadmissible wiretaps require warrant case light previous cases discovered thrown article times months convictions state invalidated relied registers court appeals ruled registers equivalent wiretaps required warrants york 
lobby organization minnesota supercomputer center minneapolis lines agree notifying elected officials feelings matter issue phone list posted washington elected officials maintain local office area code manage elected officials local office exclusively modem windows print capture software tool choice words stated summary called voice left comment office staff edward bertsch minnesota supercomputer center operations user services washington avenue south work minneapolis minnesota voice mail disclaimer opinions msci 
freely distributable public cryptography code organization computer science dept indiana university lines jonathan saville wigglesworth smhanaes utcc utoronto wrote freely distributable code public cryptography archie searches avail heard assume post freeware encryption program includes digital signatures comprehensive management facilities sites source code growing number people excellent software encrypt high standard email data clinton outlaws sites soda berkeley cypherpunks archive site highly amusing public partners entity organization holding patents claim violated make sell patents apply canada patent lawyer thing freely redistributable code north america legal entanglements rsaref site rsaref meet definition freely redistributable readily source license allowing noncommercial strong crypto software exportable legally modified permission rsadsi number people received past reasons clear people rsaref server itar issues canada ripem distribution site ripem rsaref distribution canadians marc vanheyningen mvanheyn indiana mime ripem accepted barney dinosaur simply rush limbaugh dinosaur suit lost 
questions revised summary organization swiss federal institute technology zurich lines revised version summary corrects errors additional information explanation reading text distinct questions arised guess asked people interesting find answer questions clipper chip technical summary serial number length subject change shorter longer session established clipper chip encrypt conversation message stream digitized voice telephone security device feeds chip produce values encrypted message stream enforcement field transmitted telephone line enforcement field session encrypted unit concatenated serial number encrypted family enforcement field decrypted enforcement authorized wiretap installed question lawenforcmentfield transmitted remote clipper chip handle transmitted periodically stream encrypted blocks beginning phone side discard packets protocol whatsoever turn voice output disturbing beginning session trusted agent escrow agencies enters vault agent enters secret random laptop agent enters secret random random values serve seeds generate unit keys sequence serial numbers unit keys function secret random bits agent question strange procedure real turns kind bottleneck system security enforcement authorized encrypted line warrant service provider order access communications line assume place determined line encrypted clipper chip enforcement field decrypted family giving documentation certifying authorized party serial number secure escrow agents return secure xored produce unit decrypted session finally message stream decrypted accomplished special black decoder technical provision place timeout warrants unique possibility realize technical restriction letting escrow agencies perform decoding session modem lines secure idea successor clipper chip called capstone government mykotronx developed include skipjack algorithm digital signature standard secure hash algorithm method exchange fast exponentiator randomizer prototoype testing april chips expected ready delivery june july randomizer work exchange secret publicly exchange guess opposed chip tough time government realy means friendly germano caronni instruments register things designed register space infinite unknowns germano caronni caronni ethz 
screw people crypto hard core hackers spooks nntp posting host beethoven colostate organization colorado state university computer science department lines article john carr writes cases information properly exceptions write paper includes sufficiently detailed information build nuclear weapon classified understand nuclear weapons design automatically classified work allowed read paper hate mess point incredibly easy learn make nuclear weapon hard part radioactives read clancy fears describes great detail palestinian terrorist group constructed nuclear bomb stolen found plutonium east german nuclear physicist fiction read clancy article minutes till midnight shows terrorist group construct nuke neptunium grade radioactive waste product dumped toxic waste sites forgotten claims information constructing nuke easily found large library sounds kind scary drivers speed trap fined argue broke discovered location policeman charge interfering police officer similar reverse engineering clipper chip violates constitution find court cases struck laws people comforted fact government violated rights imprisoned busted warning speedtrap doug holland doug holland freedom holland colostate speech mail cold dead lips 
clipper make good cover encryption method organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article strnlght david sternlight writes chances government thought permitted access internals make fake clipper chip chances government classified details internals high level manufacturers required observe security safeguards clearances level assume case usual canard adversary narcotraficantes cash generous handing easier find cultivate walkers pollards keys easy find reverse engineer chip tamper proofing damned clever effective brad yearwood brad uunet pyramid optilink brad petaluma 
shelf cheap keyseach machine organization lines article steven bellovin writes size things verified externally feed snefru bits result bits real figure equal keys birthday attack changed lifetimes reliable statistics catch sort skulduggery 
secret source announcement nntp posting host tigger colorado organization national oceanic atmospheric adminstration boulder labs distribution inet lines andrew molitor amolitor wrote monitor phonecalls monitor usenet collect data making sense matter crypt graduate major strong math background experienced programmer taking cryptology keyword alleged filters skeptic physics major flake talking silly things person expectations colors sees talk religion newage physics geek enjoys squashing interesting idea wasp science write occasional posts showing minimal knowledge mythology point single person react differently groups admittedly part contrarian shouts hand loath certainty public positions past reason challenge conventional wisdom luck figuring based information figure liberal technical degree humanistic interests common thread posts describes fair portion users internet bear giles bear colorado noaa 
open letter clinton organization sorcerer apprentice cleaning services reply strnlght message nntp posting host rainier lines article strnlght david sternlight writes simple convert clipper proposal unexceptionable make voluntary high quality secure classified technology agree escrow disturbing part products voluntary press releases talk white house unwillingness decide citizens good commercial crypto gear commercial alternatives permitted long provide escrow services clear implication banning alternatives additionally real alternatives totally legal allowed export good crypto equipment government friends australian government export crypto equipment permission regulators control cellular telephone companies make competitors garage cellular start offering secure service pray peace bill bill stewart bell labs holmdel jersey work cyberspace white house commect line 
clipper considered harmful organization sorcerer apprentice cleaning services distribution inet reply shirriff berkeley message nntp posting host rainier lines article shirriff berkeley shirriff writes article brad brad yearwood writes finally essentially possibility intercepting realtime scrutable content communications stolen instruments exist strong motivation record archive communications network post facto scrutiny criminal discovered instruments involved identified number long distance network trunks mbit order bits count amount traffic local phone companies long distance competitors exabytes tapes pretty large hand easily recording traffic interesting people dissidents suspected criminals foreign telephone calls noticed encryption shiriff speculates recording encrypted traffic judged invasion privacy pretty pray peace bill bill stewart bell labs holmdel jersey work cyberspace white house commect line 
folks read nntp posting host spot colorado organization university colorado boulder distribution lines article andersom colorado marc anderson writes date note clinton statements encryption paragraph guess statement doesen contradict washington drugs fresh start president clinton told delegates national federation police commisioners convention washington speech drug issue innaugural clinton planned escalation drug make half hearted practical found source article joke pretty damn convincing start notice smiley article hints caught guess joke turn resemble clinton true feelings extent marc andersom colorado 
clipper ranting libertarians organization microsoft corp keywords clipper clinton rant rave libertarians distribution lines nitpicking government required standard railway gauge improve things misunderstand utter suspicious clipper chip hold design secret work discoveries made people working government public domain class library designs published place considered fairly strong stronger ants 
fear uncertainty doubt organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex suspect decisive element political battle fear uncertainty doubt factor people users cripple chip hear debate vaguely government solid people field swiss cheese balance doubt shift feds attempt limit forms encryption presented government covering butt protecting poor product superior competition comments 
large commercial keys pgut aukuni peter gutmann organization computer science dept university auckland lines butzerd ohio state dane butzer writes typical sizes keys commercial secret algorithms bits tripple bits idea bits made keys larger keys heard scaled arbitrarily large keys implemented cipher hash function mode stream cipher current implementation bits copy entire range entire bits runtime independant size system runs slightly slower presume similar system possibly hash arbitrary length bits peter 
folks read originator rita nntp posting host organization enormes rebajas online distribution lines article andersom colorado marc anderson writes found source article joke pretty damn convincing start notice smiley article hints caught people article prankster clinton sound bites rita rouvalis rita 
tapped code good pgut aukuni peter gutmann organization computer science dept university auckland lines andersom colorado marc anderson writes date note clinton statements encryption paragraph guess statement doesen contradict washington drugs fresh start president clinton told delegates national federation police commisioners convention washington speech drug issue innaugural clinton planned escalation drug make half hearted practical purposes beginning repeatedly emphasized view long audience convention theme spell fiscal relief interrupted clinton frequently applause clinton program presented speech outline campaign position papers cabinet level drug czar boot camps time youthful offenders cover detail plans improved enforcement methods year crime bill teeth bare gums clinton administration place strict controls data formats protocols require registration called cryptographic keys hope denying drug dealers ability communicate secret clinton approach crackdowns forms underground economic activity deficit causing evaders live luxury expense grandchildren clinton expressed optimism drug voted bill clinton november vote candidate shares sense urgency fighting drug menace advocates legalization advocates surrender good making noise clinton american people cast ballots proved knew advocates surrender microscopic fringe quick reality check real invent provoke reaction people sounds sort thing heard suitably rephrased leader german political party peter 
estimating wiretap costs benefits organization netcom online communication services guest lines embarassed irrate intemperate post circulating chided experts behavior agree restrained speech apologized robin hanson glendenning rlglende perspective worth points niels bohr 
clipper cheap security organization csir south africa lines nntp posting host nuustak csir disclaimer opions expressed official disclaimer opinions csir subsidiaries disclaimer freak gtoal graham toal writes hardware compression needed digital speech heard lets samples data sampling rate usable fancy compression easy olivetti quaderno great subnotebook palmtop plug folks olivetti good marketing includes sound digitisation hardware provide vocoders produce varous rates pretty acceptable voice quality kbit modem play record time play radio download code subunit software development question dunno wanted produce vocoder speeds paul paul ducklin duck csir csir computer virus pretoria africa 
facinating facts serial number possibly fixed organization universitaetsrechenzentrum heinrich heine universitaet duesseldorf lines nntp posting host lannert duesseldorf article pmetzger shearson perry metzger writes hmm assume generating unit serial number generating randomly selected intentional assuring fail safe government completedly determined change remain secret back derived unit serial number pairs pairs suffice reconstruct back door encryption algorithm manufacturer keys chips programmed session enable retrieve keys bunch pairs identical note constant batch nature procedure typed manually random number supplying agents wondering chips session procedure denning imposes high costs production chip persons hour cost laptop finally blown pieces spectacular hollywood bonfire travelling expenses drinks lighting divide larger demand private sector mention thought occurred notoriously paranoid people group verify interested party perform tempest attacks vault smoke mirrors nice honest fire worth hiding detlef lannert mail tsos duesseldorf server finger lannert duesseldorf psmith smith preliminary sounded wodehouse 
shelf cheap keyseach machine organization bell laboratories lines article berkeley bernstein writes article steven bellovin writes size things verified externally feed snefru bits result bits real figure equal keys birthday attack changed lifetimes reliable statistics retract suggestion bits information principle detectable variant tests rivest demonstrate group make interesting paper black analysis cryptosystem 
tempest nntp posting host lonestar utsa organization university texas antonio distribution lines article ross anderson writes cmhnet stampfli writes monitor similar type scrolling gibberish adjacent provide reasonable resistance tempest attacks tempest receiver difficulty picking individual monitors engineering tolerances slack tend radiate frequencies overlap discriminate line synch frequencies lock average signals weird case varying polarisations sorts interactions building moving folded dipole highly effective randomised means switching monitor hell spark jammer electrically noisy device build active farrady cage room noise signal piped measures totally mask emissions equipment provide sufficient interference make remote monitoring chancy proposition consideration measures cretainly amount interference systems matter balancing security versus convenience force telecommunications systems control supervisor telecommunications cryptographic equipment technician remember waco government decide murder opinions mine care blame university state 
init vector additional keywords search nntp posting host anke imsd mainz organization johannes gutenberg universitaet mainz lines recent discussion news group suggests search attack feasible applied mode chooses random init vector bytes questions makes sense handle init vector additional security scheme break faster exhaustive search space klaus pommerening institut fuer medizinische statistik dokumentation johannes gutenberg universitaet obere zahlbacher strasse mainz germany 
tapped code good organization community access unix internet project lines article pgut aukuni peter gutmann writes article deleted quick reality check real invent provoke reaction people sounds sort thing heard suitably rephrased leader german political party sounds joke drugs joke join pythagorean reform church repent evil irrational numbers bean eating ways accept heart call pythagorean reform church 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption reply harryb uucp organization physio control lines article acns colostate holland colostate douglas craig holland writes article rlward ncsc robert ward writes article bontchev informatik hamburg writes constitutions guarantees american bear arms american entitled matter read applicable part constitution interpreted context posting misinterpretation refers people organize militia individuals carry handguns grenades assault rifles read constitution amendment bear arms infringed regulated militia easily formed interpretation shows qualifications bear arms mail talk belongs talk politics guns doug holland ward start blathering skill interpreting constitution helpful learn read review high school english teacher emphasizing participial phrases start amendment follow congress session committee print bear arms subcomittee constitution committee judiciary united states senate congress session february authoritative heavily researched annotated document turns interpretation specious claptrap polite utter bullshit spite false assertion contrary amendment protect individual citizen capacity individual bear arms holland imho blatantly harmfully false information asserted fact globally distributed deserves globally distributed rebuttal forum posted site carry harryb phred phred harryb free debarred arms strongest reason people retain bear arms resort protect tyranny government thomas jefferson 
secret source announcement reply borut lavrencic distribution inet organization stefan institute slovenia lines article grady writes andrew molitor amolitor wrote monitor phonecalls monitor usenet provide cryptosystems easily crack evidence values values claims border paranoia andrew germans paranoid engima respect turing british cracking zimmerman telegram paranoia helped germans paranoid emma woikin joseph sidney petersen talk macmillan publishers cooperation suppress yardley japanese diplomatic secrets kahn codebreakers paranoia popular cipher systems captured soviet spies time necessity keeping incriminating evidence proven unbreakable system soviet paranoia wullenwebers huge rhombics pointed embassy sites satellite uplink downlink sites grady case slovenian paranoia time walk famous marathon field athens becouse field huge antenna farm greek comint installation agree borut lavrencic mail lavrencic stefan institute internet borut lavrencic university ljubljana phone ljubljana slovenia public request dolgo smois kalis ovraz nikei njihk ocnoo dkril ivseb ipika 
clipper cheap security reply paul crowley organization edinburgh university lines quoting pmetzger shearson perry metzger article whats difference modem modem fast fastest modems voice compressed assertions straightforward bits figures friend forever paul crowley trust fold fish jesus 
hard drive security targets reply paul crowley organization edinburgh university lines forgot credibility alternative hard disk duplicated times random number digest passphrase computed xorred random number hard disk writing random junk random numbers makes hard disk unreadable claim written random junk able telling truth perjury vunerable rubber hose cryptography effective paul crowley trust fold fish jesus 
security nntp posting host bootes organization cambridge england lines begin signed message unix utility allowing encrypted telnet sessions public snoop password session text logging remotely network report unsigned unauthorised messages purportedly begin signature version iqbvagubk zxmtqrcjh aqfhrwh hwbpywwr peoco glpoz odkhynw ajiif ymqbwmvholm jpybqanpkmz tyuinsx signature 
keyseach machine organization advanced risc machines lines jebright ohio state james ebright writes monitoring military code traffic folks keys walker case shows systems contrary walker case keys recall allen baum apple computer baum abaum 
open letter clinton organization netcom line communication services guest lines colostate detweiler writes astonished shocked appalled frontal assault emerging american freedoms clinton administration government agency legitimate role whatsoever regulating cryptography tantamount regulating acceptable speech blatantly unconstitutional rename year honor illustrious proposal crappy chip live infamy adminstration receive great shame discredit bizarre misadventure imho encryption protected amendment constitution united states outraged money develop technology restrict freedoms reasonable measures government full uncooperation disobedience threat liberties call interest government resist defy proposal administration understand subservient instrument implement public involved proposal respect wholly negligent remiss performing lawful duty surprised administration told cryptography neutral technology strong cryptography including policemen bureacrats businessmen housewives thugs hoodlums sustainable equilibrium unworkable anti egaltarian arrangement intrinsically antithetical american freedoms guaranteed collapse weight inherent impracticality compromise issues freedom privacy effect restricting ability prosecute criminals supposed presumption innocence pull curtains windows close door police perform crim home find means simply encryption data window curtains home simple long government demonstrated increasingly hostile obstacle economic vitality protecting americans people vote people promising things administration committed leaving private industries issue government legitimate role regulating content communications enforcement agencies prepared forfeit surveillance bludgeon inevitably disarmed back working heavens laws constitutionally sound equivalent veiled threat kind extortion agitate radicalism trade threats threats violation violation amendment administration find impeached reckless outrageous disregard essential established entrenched explicit constitutional privacy guarantees administration legal standing whatsoever action egregiously illegal criminal wholly untolerated disregarded vast segments population vast segments population misinformed appended country outright dingaling denning aims privacy surveillance intrinsically fundamentally incompatible work americans discover ways technology preserve inalienable forgotten freedoms slowly eroded increasingly distant unresponsive unrepresentative government doubt thinks privacy surveillance compatible doubt smart person agency thinks problem simply hold privacy phil howard spell protection wing conservative capitalists separate money left wing liberal gooders separate 
overreacting tapped code good nntp posting host debra dgbt organization communications research centre ottawa distribution lines giant bally clipper chip noticed disturbing trend mail posts tossing back asked wrong overreacting cases reason simple people riot civil jumping screaming worried people reach hammers rifles pens paper people work system break examine history books find armed revolutions democratic democratic style governments find thousand years written history good odds armed violence meant response armed attack meant agression difference defence murder avoid killing things blood shed world adding couple riots civil wars overreacting read scared children growing zone jerry behavioural research jhan dgbt opinions opinions proud frozen member mighty warriors band memories left ringing ears genesis 
tempest nntp posting host organization cambridge computer distribution lines cmhnet stampfli writes monitor similar type scrolling gibberish adjacent provide reasonable resistance tempest attacks tempest receiver difficulty picking individual monitors engineering tolerances slack tend radiate frequencies overlap discriminate line synch frequencies lock average signals weird case varying polarisations sorts interactions building moving folded dipole highly effective randomised means switching monitor ross 
reason clipper secrecy organization bell laboratories lines article tuinstra clarkson dwight tuinstra writes note experts details algorithm addition respected experts government offered access confidential details algorithm assess capabilities publicly report findings chip design possiblity addition encryption chip processes voice signals make easier analyze transcribe electronically chip widespread effectively part massively parallel computer voice grepping phone network criminal wrong thinking patrons thereof chip runs megabits voice intended data high speed lines advantage processing phone care fancy chip fancy roomful analyzers fort meade running program years update clipper chip preprocessing chip effect recognizability voice patterns hurt acceptability product modems barely fast good properly massaged voice completely ballpark 
organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex question strange procedure real turns kind bottleneck system security theory makes sense chips vary possibilities break encryption brute force plow serial numbers billion multiplied number combinations 
code shipped canada article fripp reply cadre organization cadre technologies lines nntp posting host canada asked send public domain file encryption code legal send eschew obfuscation defriesse mail cadre cadre technologies phone richmond providence speak employer 
clipper considered harmful lines shirriff berkeley shirriff message large subset encrypted communications archived tape read future probable arises warrant obtained data court leas install wiretaps large numbers phones record calls listening post facto obtain warrants listen calls probable established strategy stuff admitted court term words thing makes evidence inadmissable interception warrant attempt interpret intercepted warrant surprised archiving data consent interpreted analogous wiretap courts note technically feasible wiretaps warrants fish avenues investigate future start surveilance start archiving data trump probable decrypt post facto warrant hand investigation boost data sadly presented jury posting interesting cautionary tale projecting archiving scenario extremes read lacey friends collection stories david drake starts slippery slope archiving everyghing worry folks stored secure repository leas warrants installing cameras major streets cameras banks teller machines pass laws requiring cameras covering public places private places make crime range camera legally licensed privacy cubicles body search privacy curtailed rights easier solve crimes situation obtain warrant helmet walk memory lane tracking conscious illegal funny speeding radar detector industry pretty thing past elminate crime story politicians exemptions grounds national security rich corporations exemptions execs grounds industrial espionage preservation competition happy system imagine wayne throop throopw sheol throop aurgate 
idea vectors organization capriccioso newsreader version lines testing idea block cipher implementations correctness golden test vectors looked postscript idea chapter single degrees freedom contact inventor paying money invention offload vectors disease vectors grady 
secret source announcement organization national institute standards technology lines article habs harry shapiro writes jbotz jurgen botz writes interesting smtp server csrc ncsl nist longer recognizes expn vrfy commands telnet csrc ncsl nist smtp connected csrc ncsl nist escape character sendmail nist ready expn clipper command unrecognized sombody snooping marc good thing csspub mailing list csspab ncsl nist address rest names deleted sigh version asked send posting stuff secret source clipper announcement silly mistake administrator csrc ncsl nist alias system forum incident response security teams includes number world wide incident response teams cert places europe vrfy expn commands disabled early crackers find names incident response folks mailing lists disk crash months required completely rebuilding files story backups helpful guess remember disable vrfy expn people find clipper people names posted felt time clear things expn vrfy csrc disabled past reasons clipper posted white house announcements request policy folks csrc usenet service posted account called clipper created alias called clipper addresses members nist computer security privacy advisory board computer security addresses individuals affiliated nist involved cryptography security privacy individuals included list nist felt important clipper information hand clipper alias benefit named source information solely monitor initial traffic individuals list requested continue traffic duplicated usenet rightfully disorganized handling people stop speculating hidden agendas motives individuals clipper alias apologized happened disabling expn vrfy increasingly common practice albeit unfriendly effect disabling unintentional john wack 
clipper cheap security organization mcsnet chicago lines nntp posting host localhost article gtoal graham toal writes gtoal graham toal writes impossible approval attach crypto device phone network plugs phone sockets approved reason crypto devices whats difference modem modem silly pointing modems approved data transmission work fine transmit scrambled vocoded voice absolutely meant secure dedicated crypto device approval guerrilla underground devices today high speed modems modems approved mind overpriced couriers hardware compression needed digital speech heard lets samples data sampling rate usable fancy compression fancy standard voice circuits kbps inter exchange achieve standard voice quality give quality acceptable speech standpoint faithful original intelligable application karl denninger karl data line bankrupting live internet chicago mcsnet 
encryption organization experimental systems lines article psionic haywood blowme writes promised spoke today company mentioned washington times article clipper chip announcement company secure communications technology information message contact belief made clipper rest industry reasons good point knew participated development clipper chip amounts unfair business practice early monopoly market existant market companies compete cellular market motorola grounds file complaint company afraid clipper chip business real possibility stopping clipper chip standard contact reached secure communications technology georgia suite silver spring fact government overlooked fiasco economic standpoint mentioned difficulty clipper chip faces economic face average consumer care clipper idea perceived cellular encryption companies provide standard emerge clipper expensive chip develope cheaper give full support hope clipper chip beta video tape format hope sued clipper cyberspace david croley place real stone steel croley austin texas ghost unseen world 
crypto paper distribution organization martin marietta astronautics denver lines nntp posting host tosgcla postscript version paper called public cryptography written james nechvatal security technology group national computer systems laboratory national institute standards technology gaithersburg december version obtained plain text symbolic character formatting lost gregb 
overreacting tapped code good organization express access online communications greenbelt lines distribution nntp posting host access digex asked wrong overreacting cases reason simple people riot civil precisely government knees pulls stunts situation worsen point extreme measures required 
public awareness wasre text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization mexico tech distribution lines article uucp myrto writes accident philosophy government rules controls people people controlling government unconnected citizens sophisticated government people idea commoner defend government eavesdropping unlawful attack totally unacceptable people outlook combine pushing national identity cards smart chips encode internal passport guise streamlining state people health care system jewels sees extremely ominous trend years late turning amazingly accurate prophecy people wake hurry warning light bell danger flag government seeks regard rights unconnected unprivileged citizen subject average person good secure system data security dependent nebulous safeguards maintaining security average person able defend agency rogue feds break data wanted work logic allowed good safe duplicate combination submitted safekeeping government difference philosophically encrypted data evaporate high tech tools tape recorder average amerikan today government able eavesdrop opinion polls show people belive bill rights grant freedom people identified cite love people give rights bill rights show average person average usenet reader people entitiled rights people care government taking control time sort awareness government majority population accomplished trust unthinkingly media government 
ideas clipper organization robotics institute carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew idea encryption algorithm secret things implies wrong clipper chip technical summary dorothy denning revised april clipper chip classified single block encryption algorithm called skipjack algorithm keys compared rounds scrambling compared supports modes operation algorithm takes clock ticks electronic codebook mode runs mbits chip includes components skipjack encryption algorithm family common chips serial number length subject change secret unlocks messages encrypted chip encrypting chip chip imagine embedded telephone security device suppose call device pushing button start secure conversation security device negotiate session device negotiation takes place clipper chip general method exchange diffie hellman public distribution method session established clipper chip encrypt conversation message stream digitized voice telephone security device feeds chip produce values encrypted message stream enforcement field transmitted telephone line enforcement field session encrypted unit concatenated serial number encrypted family enforcement field decrypted enforcement authorized wiretap installed suppose knew algorithm worked knew chip cryptanalysis able determine enforcement field knowing make harder suppose legitimately involved conversation party conversation able determine party defeat enforcement field make knowing traffic analysis performed admit compute lots messages work knowing generation method deliberately generate weak keys matter published method fact chosen weak keys system compromise disaster enforcement thing designed people giving security number alot people panel experts check flaws forget grinding chips bribery blackmail work fine wrong problems 
tapped code good article rwing distribution organization totally unorganized lines article steve digex steve brinich writes landed cooperation design propoganda stages care care person outlived undefined usefulness elimination consideration uucp prejudice myrto seattle fails uunet pilchuck rwing wisdom things infinite universe human stupidity albert einstien 
shelf cheap keyseach machine corporate acceptance wiretap chip organization computing research lines nntp posting host lole nmsu reply strnlght message article strnlght david sternlight writes company worked previously received file encryped person vaction wait weeks straight frontal attack time days crack file faith taking face dissonant published brute force cracking russell lucky respect interested program russell search practical real situations people stupid keys average password crackers depending answer appalling development calling question fact public based communication systems pick keys automatically passwords pass phrases bright programmer idle machine time crack single message couple days assuming tricks message specific person picked password pass phrase search pretty straightforward running english text average content single word bits pass phrases increase bits searching spaces semi practical software searching spaces outrageous imagine hardware assists moderate size 
organized lobbying cryptography kubo harvard kubo distribution inet organization dept math harvard univ nntp posting host zariski harvard lines article paul crowley writes encryption types defend digitized porn posted encrypted issues seperable maintain fact effective encryption makes censorship impossible issue fall falls purview aclu aclu effective instrument hearts minds favor access cryptography precisely slogans cryptography makes censorship impossible stand torpedo attempt generate broad consensus favor encryption true context public debate dangerous herring advocates strong crypto prepare answer charges pragmatic terms laypeople politicians sympathize usual mumblings constitutional amendments kubo harvard 
secret source announcement organization montagar software concepts plano lines article grady writes start newsgroup distribution encrypted posts intended members affinity groups shared private coming cypherpunks meeting private meeting passed moderator minutes followup comments participants posted encrypted group people attended communiques intended group attendees signed private otherwises encrypted guess working version grady david cathey inet davidc montagar software concepts uucp montagar davidc plano fone 
tapped code good distribution organization utter chaos islip long island york lines article bill bill campbell writes strnlght david sternlight writes article holland colostate douglas craig holland writes note measures protect tempest surveillance classified inaccurate tempest equipment commercially macs tempest approved money reason type pricing years tempest rating raise price radio shack model deep hole ground feet redsonja linet possession alien control laws nature human joel dress abortion chicken gamera guiron omelet george carlin 
build software cryptophones internet lines trawling archives found post reproduce full time develop standard crypto voice layer point point slip free standard crypto voice mail note date post jpcampb ncsc jpcampb ncsc campbell newsgroups comp compression research subject sound compression algorithms date organization great article fernandez writes techniques production systems revolve code excited linear prediction celp algorithms capture speech attempt match speech combination signals codebook choosing combination minimizes error case experiment celp obtain software implementation celp coder free federal standard based code excited linear prediction voice coder version celp fortran simulation source codes worldwide distribution charge diskettes configured compile sparc stations fenichel national communications system washington addition source codes input processed speech files included technical information bulletin assist implementation celp anonymous site considered future releases copies actual standard federal standard telecommunications analog digital conversion radio voice code excited linear prediction celp washington articles describe federal standard kbps celp coder unnecessary read campbell joseph thomas tremain vanoy welch federal standard celp voice coder digital signal processing academic press campbell joseph thomas tremain vanoy welch kbps standard proposed federal standard advances speech coding atal cuperman gersho kluwer academic publishers chapter campbell joseph thomas tremain vanoy welch proposed federal standard voice coder celp speech technology magazine april celp realtime code information products code contact john dellamorte software engineering middlesex suite bedford dspse bedford software engineering code research tiger board board analog interface suited development work intellibit based card research intellibit duane sunnyvale mclean campbell jpcampb ncsc opinions mine happiness reality expectations click clack 
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build software cryptophones internet lines forwarded posting celp speech compression case experiment celp obtain software implementation celp coder free federal standard based code excited linear prediction voice coder version celp fortran simulation source codes worldwide distribution charge diskettes configured compile sparc stations told source cygnus celp speech position gurus marry netfone week real access sparcs running week bytestream crypto filter weeks damn sparc back stuck share enjoy archie find netfone copy note author docs kelvin appears located france 
clipper cheap security lines caronni ethz germano caronni article gtoal graham toal writes hardware compression needed digital speech heard lets samples data sampling rate usable fancy compression isdn call swissnet plugged channel kbit guess sampling rate quality analog line compression algorithms factors voice posted info celp coding crypt squeeze speech fast computer sparcstation newton acorn risc machine drops bandwidth figure feasible speech running slip modem point point encrypted speech speech internationally internet stops heavy regulations thought administration realised scare shitless trick develop define standard protocol internet speech damn fast allowing feels brave inplement custom handheld hardware hacking workstations difficult celp stuff standardised streams protocol allowing silences catch avoid sending data silences wise synchronised real time delays voice lags press ahead stuff sparc back loaned microphone save fortune calling friend texas night encrypted surely working obvious exist netphone suns celp compression restricted ether connections 
clipper make good cover encryption method lines brad brad yearwood assume case usual canard adversary narcotraficantes cash generous handing easier find cultivate walkers pollards keys easy find reverse engineer chip tamper proofing damned clever effective administration believes time drug dealers threat personally thought force real drug shipping unlike drug dealers make convincing argument cooperation nice give money start cutting favourite body parts argument persuaded jack ruby shoot oswald full view police life jail preferable people weeks nasty life 
shelf cheap keyseach machine corporate acceptance wiretap chip lines company worked previously received file encryped person vaction wait weeks straight frontal attack time days crack file faith questions hardware found special meant lucky find early bits dictionary attack binary attack 
ideas systems lines thinking difficult make form ebcdic machines encourage ebcdic machines honorable death 
escrow lines points raised checking chip opposed allegedly programmed raise trust issue assume trusted agents entering wide range seeds time reduce search space bits assume picking iron filing poking circuitry carefully selected points encode data punching numbers computer program chips manner completely independent values feeding system backdoor assume compromised compromisable hell hardware true random number source random number source proposal thing deterministic serial number stamped chip nope trusted levels access possibly honest escrow police forces ostensibly back door lets decode back handers warrantless exchange favours 
clipper cheap security lines chips perform voice compression expansion expensive exist phones connected pbxs line cards equipment compresses voice grade circuits save cost long distance leased satellite circuits remember generic term chips impression deal years circuits cheap codecs compression samples squeeze played lossless shorten program night managed specimen celp code obvious runs real time proof concept code mucking file formats sample current option voice mail modem built chip hardware means modems system putting cost upwards ouch able software high powered games consoles acorn risc machine inside runs shit shovel nicely mass market 
clipper considered harmful lines pmetzger shearson perry metzger read information system chips serial number infomation cypher stream identified system rely registering people owning phone units back door generation secret determined change 
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tracking device summary underground underwater wireless methods keywords rogers tesla hertz underground underwater wireless radio nntp posting host teal organization laboratories expires lines article mcdonald rutgers writes variety water proof housings real meat problem electronics posting kind transmission reliable underwater murky night time conditions sound feasible distortion water direction accurate range short imagine hundred yards mcdonald refer patents james harris rogers details methods underground underwater wireless communications review refer electrical experimenter march june rogers methods extensively world unclassified supposedly government rethought rogers convieniently forgotten bottom line antennas grounded send half signal ground half travels space quickly dissapated square distance travels ground disapate published data showed noise drowned regular reception underground antennas recieve virtually noise free find hard refer work invented wireless tesla tesla confirmed rogers methods correct hertzian wave theory completely abberant tesla years ahead time time 
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electronic tesla coils summary real world applications keywords tesla coil flyback transformers wireless ignition nntp posting host teal organization laboratories distribution world expires lines article wustl david prutchi writes article long jerry long writes fred culpepper fculpepp wrote couple years tesla circuit published electronics magazine circuit referred flyback transformer wound primary windings power transistors years built volt tesla thing spectacular scaring amazing friends depending knowledge science generating strong found real world application tesla coils today david prutchi realize tesla invented power generators motors transformers conductors technically transformers tesla coils general refers tesla coil core resonant transformer flyback version tesla coil encyclopedia electronic circuits diagram core class circuit called oscillating shuttle circuit generally highly efficient version transistors resistors lossy devices typically tesla active reactances passive resistors achieve efficiencies usual application core resonant transformer produce strong wireless broadcasts computer screen work removed tesla flyback coil remove homes industries tesla coils lights dark cars sputter radios silent industries grind halt back coal heat lamps horses transportation steam power telegraph communication real world message convieniences today tesla give credit credit edison century flame peril good putting edison tesla years ahead time time 
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wanted protel easytrax organization university louisville lines title contact email mike harpe university louisville discontinued sell copy michael harpe programmer analyst information technology ormsby bldg harpe louisville university louisville louisville remorseless eating machine simpsons 
article pkveuinnduk organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host sandman caltech sehari babak sehari writes similarly people common mistake spelling article bell company mother capitalized decibell deci tenth bell fractional part original bell southwestern bell decibell measure current named company amphenol company companies revolutionized electronics simulatenously realizing performance connectors sockets affected amount current running wires ohmite company characterize resistances numbers ohms alexander graham bell bell refers highest babak sehari joseph chiu josephc caltech gotta thing caltech pasadena operating system tomorrow today 
site projects nntp posting host organization math stats dalhousie university halifax canada lines sites deal electronics projects plans response appreciated jason blakey blakey 
ccess srgxnbs organization industrial research zealand nntp posting host grace lines andy macrae srgxnbs subj long haul serial axlo return path received grace smtp received corp lemay corp received grendal corp corp elliemay corpmail inbound received grendal corp date andy macrae andrew macrae message srgxnbs subject long haul serial axlo andy macrae content length article write whats required access nice thing requires chip cheap easy design trouble buses require host interface chips board intelligence bruce latest information access call access industry group hosting meeting group april mountain view reason able post newsgroups today feel free pass information andrew macrae 
jacob ladder organization system winnipeg manitoba canada lines brad meier writes circuit called jacob ladder movies consists curves wire protruding blue sparks starting base wires closer moving wires ending small crackling noise supply schematic innards advance mike reply email knightorc home stay accumulated information baden bari baden bison baden bison 
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diodes nntp posting host chip reply vanderby david vanderbyl organization teltech lines article harris david higgins writes thing correction vanderbyl attitude nope myers found mistake posted correction acting child gain favors make acting positive impression ghod make impression positive impressed higgins 
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databooks nntp posting host bopper organization motorola computer group tempe lines article kilian alan kilian writes reason latest databook times years books turn years data match current production parts tanstaafl alan kilian habit repair obsolete machines data books goldmine information find modern replacement obsolete part original specs handy design books save donate phoenix disagrees drive data books john data books growing 
homebuilt epld programer nntp posting host fenian dell reply timd dell organization slamdanz cybrnetx lines reasonable circuit programming pals interested programming wide range eplds happy handle thereabouts advance timd dell deagan official obnoxious poster responsible write preach difficult free fools chains revere voltaire 
board speed probl distribution world organization arbor michigan reply robert desonia arbor robert desonia lines computer board data acquisition problems runs correct speed conflict read runs local problem turbo mode speed work mail views vincent mcgill standard runs stnadard buses higher clock rates careful boards work faster standard rates instance adjustable speeds audio card chokes data acquisition speed faster fact turbo mode speed work weird motherboard hardware refer local operates asynchronously linked local interface function chipset winqwk unregistered evaluation copy kmail arbor usenet gateway dial free usenet mail newsgroups pcboard uupcb kmail call member asad disk serving arbor 
parallel distribution world organization arbor michigan reply robert desonia arbor robert desonia lines parallel ports compatable standard including original adaptor directional parallel ports directional modification experience standard zenith parallel port original proves input direction disactiviated tieing select line circuit make modify scraping trace solder jump proper location thought lazy part zenith zenith bull group time winqwk unregistered evaluation copy kmail arbor usenet gateway dial free usenet mail newsgroups pcboard uupcb kmail call member asad disk serving arbor 
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police radar work nntp posting host reply msunde organization university kentucky dept math sciences lines article chris writes manual cosine effect motorist benefit doubt effectively depending relative directions radar target reading lower actual speed higher remember radar ticket word skilled observer father friend mine police officer west virginia word skilled observer good court skill observer tested accurate radar cases foolin guess speed watching blow standing moving realize calibrated guns accurate ability uncommon people watch moving things living heard good radar detector give split warning pass ahead left panic stop crowded freeway mark underwood student university kentucky assistant boyd hall microlab tiny division library microlabs mail msunde 
ultra long timing organization university kansas academic computing services lines resposes good ideas couple ideas recieved mail today spec sheets spec version exar timer counter chip stable sucks power show application ultra long time delay years depending time constant application cascaded reset trigger pins chips tied timebase chip disabled configuration output high system reset triggered output stays total timing cycle chip total timing cycle chips programmed steps selecting combination counter outputs timer output beauty timebase chip timing resistor seconds timing cycle maximum seconds timing cycles days days counter binary steps selected output pellet puker days trips reset timing cycle power problem ideas suggested bury electronics hole snow insulator pellet puker tower estimated snow fall solar panel charge lithium battery pack idea thing work weeks samples valves volts spit pellets snow ordered interesting long digging pellets middle antartica freezing buns 
based layout program organization montfort university leicester lines newsreader version frank hielscher hielsche csee lehigh wrote pads files subdirectories unzipped pkunzip xcopy floppies creates disks needed install supposed work files tight squeeze floppies managed install pads pretty impressed created couple schematics problem create layout circuits demos work wondering file printed manual comment registration worth paying chris chris hand lecturer internet mail dept computing science voice montfort university gateway fidonet leicester linux free unix 
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oscilloscope triggering organization macquarie university lines distribution world nntp posting host macadam mpce article jeroen cern jeroen belleman writes article seas virginia david glen jacobowitz writes digital scopes school david jacobowitz analogue scopes give fair idea circuit digital scopes habit inventing sizable part samples period displays continuous waveform complete existing overshoots waded lots manual pages menus found turn show points measured opposed interpolated wrong brand fans hard time convinced scopes match rest excellent gear principal functions turn interpolation important feature disable repetitive waveform acquisition able lock instrument real time capture mode menus common functions button guessed love analogue scopes choose knob printed legend screen display buttons single knob digital instruments connected function moment agree consolation manufacturers beginning attention ergonomics designing menus fair time scope users students adjust menus easier navigating twenty knobs required real scope waveform displayed recent noisy incoherently modulated heck displayed digital scopes show tiny fraction time busy computing things area newer dsos addressing recently evaluated latest worthy alternative standard analogue instrument spec meaning real time capture mode pricing matches equivalent analogue scopes range downer instrument menus logically laid situations prefer digital scope happened trigger rare events acquiring data computer play hope scope manufacturers listening jeroen belleman jeroen cern thing simpler front panels instruments tend digital rotary encoders knobs vast improvement switch single common failure scopes students blowing inputs mechanical wear switches panels great step increasing longevity instruments johnh electronics department school mpce macquarie university sydney australia email johnh 
compressor problem nntp posting host dexter psych organization university minnesota lines stereo compressor limiter audio logic model gates work compressor channel weak ocsilloscope trace intended experience type equipment point direction circuit fail robert stephens psych human factors research university minnesota 
pioneer laser player organization univ rochester college engineering applied science lines figure operate pioneer laserdisc bought surplus store reputedly kind computerised viewing ordering system hpib connector back power front panel power light activity door open experience unit ideas obtain documentation 
ultra long timing organization macquarie university lines distribution world nntp posting host macadam mpce article wellison ukans writes project drooped pain design stable ultra long solid state timer place thing antartic shelf measure amount snow fall period weeks weeks trip selonoid discharge colored pellets pressure snow digging snow snow fall amount measured color pellets problem build timer stand cold degrees power source drain looked timers standard dual timers thier temp specs weeks equates seconds firing means timing found farad farad caps working voltage volts small size time discharge lower degrees linear thinking timers chained fire selonid timing period blasted cold drain battery weeks pain possibility solar panels month twilight good ideas advance firstly make shot timer designed battery substitute applications drain constant current performance respects akin batteries normal point electro rated tolerances calculating capacitance cold designing micropower oscillator divider chain rolls maximum count vice versa seconds clock divider chain give error percent firing times week period trim oscillator give exact time likelyhood oscillator remaining constant suspect battrey drain firing solenoid timer circuit caveat experienced temperature electronics guarantee approach inhospitable conditions johnh electronics department school mpce macquarie university sydney australia email johnh 
protection serial lines organization national university singapore newsreader version lines martin john gregory mgregory wrote started devices serial data transmission fairly decent distances fairly noisy environments variety schemes protecting transceivers rest circuit transients serial lines left wondering stuff deleted wisdom martin protection plan route cables unknown environment control things accidental shorts signal lines power cables lightning strikes sight computer smoke ethernet cards protected looked connector protected discharge tube plan serial cables internal routings controlled environments safe suggestion data book transceivers overvoltage protection include maxims suppose electrically isolated opto isolators work alternative surge protector listed catalogue additional info stock mail yung engp 
protection serial lines keywords serial protection article uniwa organization university western australia lines nntp posting host mackerel laird purdue kyler laird writes optically isolated transceiver chip remember components exist australia chips called isolated give isolated single supply external components caps optoisolators diode isloting transformer baud john west humour impaired insert word 
sources capacitors article distribution organization triacus lines nntp posting host mars calstatela recently video monitor dead picture distorted sound hear tale cracking work filaments tube glowing orange examining power board noticed largest capacitor bulge naturally replace find sources electrolytic capacitor radial leads roughly inches long wide dimensions important board fits metal cage leaving room living angeles area numerous stores radio electronics elect sandy yale elect empty hands suggest sources high voltage capacitors mail order fine check store compare video electronics store caps monitor atari goldstar circuitry masushita tube problems advance rich email rkim calstatela 
ultra long timing organization macquarie university lines distribution world nntp posting host macadam mpce article mcovingt michael covington writes capacitors unreliable timing leakage quartz crystal divide frequency times divided cycle weeks approximately expect components batteries electrolytic capacitors fail matter battery problem circuit depend exact values resistors crystal controlled timer crystal affected cold feeling mechanically resonating device extreme cold affect compliance terminology quartz resonant frequency michael covington internet mcovingt artificial intelligence programs phone university georgia athens georgia amateur radio johnh electronics department school mpce macquarie university sydney australia email johnh 
blues find organization macquarie university lines distribution world nntp posting host macadam mpce article patrick niemeyer writes keith ledig writes told people takes long time heard rumors hard days replaced series sales person push microcontrollers straight answer trouble finding looked back interesting hearing availability eprom version parts factory images useless hobbyist parts eeprom allowing electrical erasure reprogramming motorola parts eprom making user programmable options windowed sealed expensive windowed packages multiple plastic varieties time programmable exposing eprom array light johnh electronics department school mpce macquarie university sydney australia email johnh 
organization department computer science university toronto distribution lines subject line working project battery pull possibly ideas prefer benefit brilliant people conquest easy control glinos toronto statistics star trek toronto forgot simple history lesson 
ultra long timing organization senior electrical computer engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines distribution world nntp posting host andrew reply sounds universal time reciever logisitics situation place reciever snow place oscillator nice problems solved suggestion wayne martin 
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wire wrap questions article shelley innh organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host carson washington article pascal sony pascal goguey writes article macfitz mark fitzsimmos writes considerable amount research review discussions group fruitless time breadboards decided path resistance prototyping necessarily electronic designs wire wrapping idea careful wire wrapping increases wiring capacitance problem slow applications quicker doubt work fortunately wire wrapping wiring technique high frequencies cray computers wirewrapped backplanes wirewrap trouble higher frequencies handle increase wiring capacitance relevant transmission line techniques capacitance problem decent wrapping tool spend powered unit including sleeve hand powered good powered expensive cost work hand powered terrible choice imho field maintenance person dozen connections time hands cramp battery powered wire wrap guns range twiddle stick manual types modest project couple hundred connections prefer borrow professional unit pneumatic john whitmore 
pioneer laser player article gondor organization sdsu computing services lines nntp posting host ucssun sdsu article neale rochester neale writes figure operate pioneer laserdisc bought surplus store reputedly kind computerised viewing ordering system hpib connector back power front panel power light activity door open experience unit ideas obtain documentation players video game dragon lair space call pioneer technicial support number called interface guide shows parallel interface wired codes commands play pause reject guide hooking player computer work build wired controller keais jkeais sdsu 
ultra long timing article shelley ainnikg distribution world organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host carson washington article johnh mpce john haddy writes article mcovingt michael covington writes capacitors unreliable timing leakage true electrolytic capacitors high temperature quartz crystal divide frequency times crystal affected cold feeling mechanically resonating device extreme cold affect compliance terminology quartz resonant frequency power quartz oscillators significant temperature drifts notice wearing watch wrist temperature sensitivity crystal types larger higher frequency battery power programmable timers accurate power stingy suitable crystal oscillators john whitmore 
level brightness xmas light easter keywords xmas organization lines christmas time loose access days week lucky wanted post interested people save till xmas note bell labs good place good boss subject xmas light levels brightness version variable brightness xmas light starts blinker bulb string diagram orginal modified level brightness string string note mods wiring point blinker note blinker current string bulbs string bulbs parallel resistor extra current blinker make current shunted string blinker glowing string glowing blinker open resistor slight effect brightness strings slightly dimmer slightly brighter bulb place resistor caution replace standard bulb draw current burn blinker approx working powerup string light full brightness bypassing current string making light open placing strings series making string glow brightness string glow reduced brightness wire insulate splices resistor leads wires safe manner 
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intel documentation wanted organization school mpce macquarie university australia lines distribution world nntp posting host macadam mpce originator davidb mpce donated large machine robotics device complete based controller running intel operating system documentation netland reply email regularly catch news david bull davidb 
reply dtmedin ingr organization intergraph corporation huntsville lines article sehari babak sehari writes msunde mark underwood writes familiar measurements apply electrical circuits gain amplifier measured logarithmic scale requires reference ouput respect input signal talking terms loosely people power respact ratio english statement good similarly people common mistake spelling article bell company mother capitalized highest babak sehari good gravy decibels ratios question remains ratio reference unit reference power milliwatt circuit impedance included fine print ohms circuit impedance leading accepted notation disregarding impedance circuit power developed volt reference amplitude reference power arbitrary omitted reference included notation leading plain implied reference notation explicit reference power measured reference amplitude measured reference standard term ratio base named alexander graham bell deci bell telephone company common founder small large notation convention crucified messing common references audio milliwatt ohms volt meter gear line level consumer gear line level times power meter aligned rated power point reference reasonable application moment note circuit unknown linear impedance amplitude decibels power increase amount proof identities dave medin phone networking intergraph corp internet dtmedin ingr huntsville uucp uunet ingr catbyte dtmedin office opinions expressed mine machine 
flyback squeal video monitors reply dtmedin ingr organization intergraph corporation huntsville lines article markz mark zenier writes zack zlau wrote electronics xhan xiaoping writes article michaet clemson michael townsend writes brendan mpce brendan jones writes magnavox chewing horizontal sync transformer resonate board flame worked realize suitable substance purpose remember adhesive silicon hardware store smells vinegar damage metal surfaces promoting corrosion superglue cyanoacrylate sneak cracks stiffer silicone found works pretty noisy laminated power transformer cores windings kind likewise flyback hear suspect effective power transformers material damp suspect critical frequencies involved words absorption prevention real difficult dave medin phone networking intergraph corp internet dtmedin ingr huntsville uucp uunet ingr catbyte dtmedin office opinions expressed mine machine 
wanted hardware ebuddington wesleyan nntp posting host gmdzi organization sankt augustin germany lines brad wright writes comp joystick port told port built converters joystick couple pots find specs work guess connecting pins converter couple transistors resistors opamp compare output voltage measure connect spared printer port rest software stepwise refinement port addresses printer ports work purposes hope helps schloss birlinghoven postfach augustin mail peter hendricks 
wanted hardware article doug organization wisconsin madison college engineering lines brad wright writes comp joystick port told port built converters joystick couple pots find specs work converters found joystick port timers tick long takes circuit paddle charge games works pretty measurements linear suppose linearize software real problem precision measurement longer constant higher voltages precise hand wrong game card designers splurged extra make cheap constant current source expect joel kolstad 
calculating transformer needed originator rooi tudelft nntp posting host duteca tudelft reply rooi tudelft mark rooi organization delft university technology dept electrical engineering lines convert volt sinewave frequency volt sinewave frequency means transformer secondary current kind transformer ferrite partnumber supplier winding core order saturate thickness copper wire turns analog electronics hope kind soul pointers relevant databooks highly appreciated mark rooi rooi 
diodes reply dtmedin ingr organization intergraph corporation huntsville lines article myers myers writes nope tube grounded inside aluminization anode connected anode suction glass tube capacitor power supply bypass filter supply smaller scope tubes aquadag coating metal shields capacitor original clear internal external internal important aluminization back phosphor cases adequate guarantee connection anode button case assembly includes accelerating electrode anode potential provide connection correct picture tube manual backs sams reference data handbook internal coating perimeter aluminum face coating referred outer coating thankfully library find sparkling water vanderbyl caffeine dave medin phone networking intergraph corp internet dtmedin ingr huntsville uucp uunet ingr catbyte dtmedin office opinions expressed mine machine 
chip system organization europe limited cambridge lines newsreader version howell wrote questions soundblaster answer simple overpriced sound quality projects build connected parallel port documented files modplay vary design simple single made resistors david hembrow europe email dhembrow abberley house granhams road great shelford cambridge england 
heathkit zenith article austin reply login organization austin lines originator leapman austin toll free catalog request order line heathkit zenith post number 
info multisync monitor organization inquiring mind lines myers myers writes info monitor multisync plan buying hand depending specs frequencies interlaced interlaced video compatability reference pitch resolution supports svga source support svga source source reliable info guess home monitor files head subject revision worth sort info hear spec sheet hand mail remembering correctly pitch multisync covers horizontal vertical horizontal higher horizontal happy tube thrilled tube sync display prefer resolution svga horizontal range lower straight ntsc rate sweep video compatibility reading question analog inputs words decode ntsc video inputs sort board conversion sorts things display ntsc display response mine remind stuff confirm force post hasty retraction impression accepted digital input accepts interlaced interlaced conflicting info victor bison inquiring mind winnipeg manitoba 
wide band analog time delay organization rhodes university grahamstown south africa newsreader version lines wide band analog time delay phase delay variable microseconds milliseconds reply email 
hardware article almaden lines find copy assembler language programming willen krantz sams discussion game control adapter monostable multivibrators conversion assembler program greater accuracy reason modify approach suit 
homebuilt epld programer organization computer science liverpool university lines nntp posting host goyt electronics timd dell writes reasonable circuit programming pals interested programming wide range eplds happy handle thereabouts interested information subject programing pals start saves packet advance chris chris smith twang guitar addrs scst liverpool university quest build hardware dgree computer science ball flaming lawrence views expressed reflect private thought 
heathkit zenith nntp posting host huey udel organization university delaware newark lines article login writes toll free catalog request order line heathkit zenith post number 
principle breathalyzer article distribution organization hewlett packard lines newsreader version william burchill williamb wrote hand held breathalyzer police works hear general problem detecting smells machine william williamb read gadgets works electrochemical galvanic principle sensing unit chemical matrix produces electrical voltage proportional amount chemical compound designed case hydroxyl group heard tested common gasoline member hydroxyl group failing breathalizer failure time stopped siphoned neighbors oklahoma credit card chances ticket jerry long long disclaimer opinions reflect employer 
data transmission article sail distribution organization tektronix beaverton lines shelf method transmitting small amounts data feet data speed encoded needed power transmitting certified product prefered pointers products companies hearing 
jacob ladder article travis organization lawrence livermore national laboratory lines nntp posting host travis llnl article seas virginia david glen jacobowitz writes wanting build tesla coil awhile doesn thought good intermidiate step build jacob ladder high voltage transformer reasonable inexpensive neon sign transformers cost mucho past managed neon sign transformers sign shops calling warren massey massey llnl lawrence livermore national laboratory east livermore calif 
ultra long timing organization trivializers lines johnh mpce john haddy writes article mcovingt michael covington writes quartz crystal divide frequency times crystal affected cold feeling mechanically resonating device extreme cold affect compliance terminology quartz resonant frequency fairly reproducible smidgen distance absolute case borrow freezer space test calibrate darling capacitors found fire solenoid high current drain frozen batteries ugly thing paul 
nntp posting host bcarhdd organization bell northern research ottawa canada newsreader version lines joseph chiu josephc caltech wrote sehari babak sehari writes similarly people common mistake spelling article bell company mother capitalized decibell deci tenth bell fractional part original bell southwestern bell decibell pull ratio rboc measure current named company amphenol company companies revolutionized electronics simulatenously realizing performance connectors sockets affected amount current running wires unit current ampere french named ampere studied electrical current term abbreviation company ampere unit ohmite company characterize resistances numbers ohms sound alexander graham bell bell thing refers highest babak sehari joseph chiu josephc caltech gotta thing caltech pasadena operating system tomorrow today greg moffatt bell northern research ottawa canada opinions 
police radar work reply dtmedin ingr organization intergraph corporation huntsville lines article deaddio bellcore michael deaddio writes question doppler spell time effect radar accurate reading moving worth calibrated speedometer fairly case whats deal essentially radar tied speedometer independent speedometer processes doppler returns speed relative pavement speed target taking difference guns moving mode split beam beam aimed preferentially pavement driver good article traffic radar back contents references defend bogus radar measured ticket detailed moving mode easier defend increased amount variables dave medin phone networking intergraph corp internet dtmedin ingr huntsville uucp uunet ingr catbyte dtmedin office opinions expressed mine machine 
books info audio distribution organization computer science liverpool university lines nntp posting host goyt electronics audio david rowell writes assume newsgroups question good book articles audio theory nice applications side hobby direction comments build guitar processing lots background information info email advance chris chris smith twang guitar addrs scst liverpool university quest build hardware dgree computer science ball flaming lawrence views expressed reflect private thought 
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radar detector detectors organization kansas state university lines nntp posting host matt ragee randy agee writes enforced officer radar detector enforcement agencies radar detector detectors super sensitive receiver capable picking radar detector reaction guess buggers work police writing citations left people radar detectors news story quoted officer found radar detector cars stopped figure knew make assume false arrest understand radar dectectors passive device radio work antenna picking radar signals radar sends detecting radar detector detecting radio neal howland nhowland 
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electric power line balls nntp posting host bach lerc nasa organization nasa lewis research center cleveland ohio distribution lines question answer wisdom question diameter balls attached electric power lines area half dozen poles experience electric power distribution guess capacitive device equalize inductance grid poles related group submit enlightenment scott townsend sverdrup technology nasa lewis research center group fsset lerc nasa 
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radar detector detectors organization netcom online communications services login guest lines nhowland neal patrick howland writes understand radar dectectors passive device radio work antenna picking radar signals radar sends detecting radar detector detecting radio wrong counts common method implementing tunable receiver local oscillator local oscillator frequency radiated receiver antenna circuit designed constructed great care reference detecting radios paperback book catcher author discovered detect radio receivers local oscillator emissions back worked british intelligence greg greg andrews gerg fortune cookie radioactive cats half lives 
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electric power line balls nntp posting host rintintin colorado organization university colorado boulder distribution lines fsset lerc nasa scott townsend writes question answer wisdom question diameter balls attached electric power lines area half dozen poles experience electric power distribution guess capacitive device equalize inductance grid poles related group submit enlightenment make lines visible airplanes helicopters cheaper blinking lights wrong kris 
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conductive plastic happened organization litton systems toronto lines thinking reactive polymers making safe contau iners conductive resistance fouth power ohms cubic measure classed conductive protection 
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home made remote extender organization memphis state university lines question electrical engineers bought infrared detector module radio shack gizmo senses infrared remotes produces output signal hooked output transistor infrared circuit works minature remote control extender remote commands relayed player hidden glove compartment works fine denon player build circuit friend work circuit appears work remotes infrared sony camcorder coincidentally work player advice appreciated brian ubsiler msuvx memst 
holes practical questions philosophical question summary preferentially amplify holes electrons keywords holes electrons semi conductors mobility nntp posting host teal organization laboratories expires lines article scri carr writes agree nuclear physics discusses particle hole excitations reactions effect applying annihilation operator creating hole subtle question longer works real quasi particles raise sort question real entity phenomenon real asked thread lines large hole current resistor cooling heating design amplifier preferentially amplifies hole currents normal electron currents semiconductor materials highest ratio hole mobility electron mobility quote actual test samples estimates based theory limited semiconductors insulators resistors dielectrics piezo electrics conductors magnets metal ceramic magnetostrictives notes summarize thread stated area holes detectable vacuum hole particles exist presence matter previous threads stated holes exist semi conductors question naturally arises hole currents inside semi conductor vanish point semiconductor joined conductor copper theoretical discussion holes exist inside metal conductors experimental discussion amplify detect currents exist note cross posted electronics electronic discussion eric force nature 
tone decoder circuit organization toronto zoology lines article tomb bruhns writes circuit decode tone tone decoder chip impression area played beloved basically obsolete detect tone switched capacitor filter chip frequency feed input good clean bandpass filters hard nowadays easy results work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
motorola originator heuvel organization lines products motorola neuron chips utilizing standard network variable types snvt heuvel heuvel 
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telephone hook circuit nntp posting host bcarhdd organization bell northern research ottawa canada newsreader version lines tony kidson tony demon wrote article lonestar writes mcovingt michael covington writes article petert apana peter thought mine hook line aprox hook drops series zener hook hook work draw current light equipment phone company hook hook state supposed draw current means digital voltmeter phone company equipment detect wrong cable problem light phone hook series line mentioned previous post light phone hook voltage threshold detector series diode thing easiest make current recall hand greggo greg moffatt moffatt bell northern resarch ottawa canada opinions 
dumb question function generator originator seas virginia organization university virginia lines scope thought save bucks buying function generator built awhile noticed things function generator bias pull offset pushed pull adjust signal sans random bias annoying thing damn output student guessed previous posts measure input impedances circuits build circuits maximum input signals amplitude input impedances kohm range thing order function generator divide voltage thing reasonable measurethe input impedance circuit throw resistor series output generator ignore divider figure kind pain make solve problem tkae function generator input lower voltage give output impedance unchanging number lower voltage factor hundred build buffer active quick ideas scope broken reasons shop repaired replaced function generator feeling stupid today dave 
analog multiplexer digital signals organization university illinois urbana lines subject digital signals handle digital signals wrong advice raymond yeung internet nimbus uiuc student university illinois compuserve urbana champaign 
emergency vehicle sensors traffic light phreaks organization edinboro university lines article linnig dseg mike linnig writes folks dallas area noticed common sensor traffic lights years wondered mike linnig texas instruments statistics made erie system city called rado lite trade police ambulance vehicles gain controlling traffic lights radio signals receivers describe include whip antenna foot tall light flashes traffic emergency vehicle control approaching local folklore system invented company installations operation years memory sciamanda edinboro univ 
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illusion organization service lines nntp posting host hpctdkz idea years gadget keyboard back vertical front long handle wave writes message typed keyboard news fact idea neat item mattell made modeled space saber light sword likewise theme addition motor continuous display polar effects addition character graphics protected chance kick years built mine 
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exploding organization virginia tech blacksburg lines distribution nntp posting host vtaix emerson color years fine watching doubt program heard mild explosion screen blank sound thought special effects program sound stopped smoke started back brilliant unplugged called customer service thrown hold transfer blah blah finally abandoned idea wanted bigger story wanted problem isolated incident common recall reading russian exploding picture tube explode smoke left summer idea parts things cost prasad prasadr 
microwaves collect coordinates sldf weston beal distribution world organization utah state univ nntp posting host lines article boeing robert carpenter writes reasonable microwave transmitter receiver setup acre convenient place transmitters periphery carry hand held recorder walk point press button coords recorder location stored digital data chance working systems exist kind accuracy expect cost prototype alternative microwaves develope system system called global positioning satellites dimensional coordinates earth surveyors system differential receiver transmitter coordinates centimeters basic receivers resolution meters good sources wmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmw weston beal sldf sldf electrical engineer utah state university wonderful thing crayons places starship guinon 
voltage lighting questions organization university michigan mathematics department arbor lines nntp posting host sirius math umich voltage lights controlled module putting transformer work dimmer works reliable damage module reliably motion switch heath voltage light worked broken current arround increase intensity light computer interface programing program montenegro 
dumb question function generator organization wisconsin madison college engineering lines article seas virginia david glen jacobowitz writes scope thought save bucks buying function generator built combination radio hand cranked generator flashlight siren function generator offset amplitude high make solve problem tkae function generator input lower voltage give output impedance unchanging number lower voltage factor hundred build buffer active idea ignoring internal resistance generator voltage divider made ohms series ohms circuit thevenin equivalent puts original voltage output impedence negligibly ohms monkey values depending care exact dividing ratio availability parts hows sound joel kolstad high voltage probes multimeters accurate cheap megs series load high impedence source keeping impedance multimeter happy 
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analog switches balanced demodulators distribution organization university arizona unix users group lines caadams upei kenny adams writes supply volt supply commercial audio equipment approach ground referenced audio volt supply logic ground case switch control voltages turn switch turn switch michael fulbright arizona 
question outlet wiring keywords outlet article shelley iinn distribution world organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host carson washington article crichmon intel chris richmond writes article vanderby david vanderbyl writes article crisp uncecs russ crisp writes modernizing wiring home advice outlet wiring outlets prong type ground naturally wire feeding outlets ground wire noticed fusebox circuits ground circuits ground wire tied neutral white wire contrary electrical code fixed house built year breaker wired connection ground wire ground breaker connection neutral wire ground breaker place building connection occurs outlet boxes neutral white wire grounding conductor plug safe touch ground green wire protective ground carries current kind electrical fault occurred safe touch protective ground touch grounding conductor current grounding conductor outlet ground potential breaker john whitmore 
cable interference keywords catv cable television article tvnews organization tektronix products lines article bison jaworski writes digital videon compression introduced year receiving squiggly lines channels receiving sqigglies channels eventually digital transmission schemes include error correction concealment performance remains carrier noise ratio degrades quickly digitally compressed supposed susceptible interference amplitude modulated bill mcfadden tektronix beaverton bill tektronix bill phone prove crazy people 
parts time nntp posting host aisun organization programs university georgia athens lines pricing parts reminds chemist gram costs dollar liter costs dollar barrel costs dollar charge exclusively packaging delivering chemical case byproduct cost intrinsically michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio 
electronic odometers article kuhub organization university kansas academic computing services lines insturment panel lincoln contenintal digital dash replaced thing dash warrenty odometer reading exact milage panel eeprom sort dated removing battery erase doesn guess swapped chip volitile memory installed dash dash tinker 
uninterruptible power supply article jato organization pasadena lines nntp posting host neuron nasa article nurden dale nurden writes wanting build simple sustain computer long complete current task save minutes monitor active remember avoid inverter battery directly supply motherboard peripherals good idea amps minutes good wetware memory autocad thought idea days fairly battery camping sits useless home batteryless heavy duty volt regulator supply guess batteries alternative leave battery charger hooked battery converter running time power converter running battery converter computer camping trips harry langenbacher harry neuron nasa concurrent processing devices group propulsion laboratory grove pasadena 
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simms organization megatest corporation lines article cciw stewart beal writes article jhaines seas upenn jason haines writes wondering people good simms bunch apple lots people sell interest inovative simms interested hearing work takes cyano acrylate glue make wide panels constructs bottom pencil holder entreprenuerial spirit cheapy clear plastic mount simm inside sell simm plenty suckers aaron 
question outlet wiring keywords outlet nntp posting host chip reply vanderby david vanderbyl organization teltech lines olsen uiuc aart olsen writes noticed fusebox circuits ground circuits ground wire tied neutral white wire contrary electrical code fixed blew main breaker thick wire ground leading earth neutral ground hooked breaker outlet ground neutral connected 
mysterious problem source nntp posting host chip reply vanderby david vanderbyl organization teltech lines llbgb utexas writes initial symptoms picture sound filament glow flyback ticking abovew discovered hooked scope strip putting audio video signals making simple pulses horiz transistor collector case downgoing sawtooth ring front happening turn horizontal output begins normal operation powers high voltage rest circuitry problem sensed horizontal oscillator shuts powers cycle repeats things check check shorted high power component vertical output transistor voltage regulator common type failure current drawn shutdown circuits find shutting horizontal oscillator hard find problem 
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analog systems ground planes organization lake stevens lines engp yung writes understand ground plane digital system ground plane analog system note ground plane connected point signal ground conflicting answers ground plane analog system reduce noise system deals frequency signals reason conflicting answers depends ground plane continuous conductor good electrostatic shield signals board shielding things shielding good magnetic fields make continuous circuit shielded faraday cage flip side coin working high impedances capacitances gound plane problems encounter real problem 
simms organization nasa langley research center reptile farm lines nntp posting host grissom larc nasa article ulowell writes article cciw stewart beal writes wondering people good simms bunch apple lots people sell interest christmas tree decorations prefer tubes tree scott 
microphone noise phantom powered nntp posting host bolero organization network lines alan macaluso writes build microphone preamp good noise characteristics large clean gain incorportates phantom power volts microphone leaning good cost instrumentation amplifier maintain balanced input microphone good cmrr internal compensation minimal parts experience suggestions advice pass greatly purple moon giants tricky burr brown databook shows good application chip phantom power josephson engineering jose california microphones instrumentation email david info rahul davidj 
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mplifier earphone plug nntp posting host ucalgary organization university calgary lines drive play audio watt amplifier works fine connected junk walkman style radio ties common path earphone connection ground work sony walkman cassette player drive produces loud frequency tone sony ground earphone output common specs drive output audio transformer play drive listen bill morrow clinical neurosciences university calgary mail morrow ucalgary voice hospital drive calgary alberta canada 
radar detector detectors nntp posting host chaos organization university minnesota lines ragee randy agee writes questions radar detector detectors detect additional shielding grounding bypassing shield stray generated radar detector emitted detector antenna brands quieter tune numbers sound herd guessed common numbers super receiver local oscillator generates detector detector detecting local oscillator local oscillator generate ways receiver receiver generate local oscillator signal local frequency normal detector keyed uppon voltage mileage vary negative feed back device positive voltage sets picture 
subliminal message flashing organization clarkson university lines nntp posting host logic clarkson newsreader version research subliminal suggestion psychology paper read researcher flashed hidden messages screen thought maximum rate capable displaying images image composed scan lines rich kennehra camp clarkson 
telcom wiring question organization lawrence livermore national laboratory lines nntp posting host novax llnl lines coming apartment telephone numbers ordered line installed bringing wire bundle telco connected yellow black wires line green yellow black today monitoring voltage lines voltmeter green read back volts lifted receiver line black yellow wires voltage dropped volts line green wires repeated experiment line monitoring black yellow lifting handset cradle green line dropped volts thought separate lines block disconnected blue white lines coming telco cable disconnected phones apartment back block resistance measurements lines read open considered normal urbina urbina llnl 
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electronic odometers question organization duke medical center radiology lines nntp posting host mookie duke article houston geoquest writes scary arbitrary mileage figure odometer trust odometer reading prove odometer originally wondering shed light electronic odometers remember total elapsed mileage kind memory stable reliable volatile independent battery power years life vehicle amazed expected work length time light gizmos work good work months breaking side question legal ramifications selling replaced odometer starts miles actual miles fraud fairly easy price odometer miles buyer insight greer duke university medical center duke nuclear medicine voice durham 
data pods logic analyzer organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host sandman caltech keywords logic analyzer netland spare data hewlett packard logic analyzer part number side note good surplus dealer organization carry wayward logic analzer pods byte caltech 
exploding organization portal system distribution lines sounds picture tube lost vacuum filament ignite turn tube vacuum pressure vessel explosion neck assembly cracked begin blows sequence events circuits continue functioning accounts losing sound 
scope questions summary storage scope distribution organization medical informatics pittsburgh lines word storage mentioned oscilliscopes curious life depended scope long persistance phosphor successive taces screen unit time store live shopping decent scope portable heathkit single trace shopping hamfests problem scope terminology imagine mainframe plug things storage coax input probe fits fiddle mine week resembling good trace connectors unblanking manuals made schematic scopes identical model numbers response performance pick rule higher apply care filip vowel gieszczykiewicz mail fmgst ideas mine respond live major winsurfing programming assorted dreams drive linux worried 
player wonky advise needed lines organization laurentian university article stuart writes problem player sony refuses play discs minor inconvenience player recognise disc intermitant problem frequent common problem older players rectify obvious answer begin start fault finding start thet mach recognise disc place experience drawer loose skips read screws hold drawer assembly tightened properly guess motors hope helps dave haans laurentian university sudbury ontario 
adcom cheap products organization world public access unix brookline lines mdonahue mike donahue writes adcom mobil audio products fact adcom make high home audio equptment directly tiawan high volume manufacturers adcom boards assembled shore case east final assembly testing east brunswick products designed staff audiophile gurus walter jung adcom prefer american european components japanese east equivalents shore assembly reason adcom able make products perform people audio research alstine hafler forte lower cost musical diet consists rock prefer components kenwood pioneer roger williams great discoveries made rogerw accident larger consulting engineer funding longer takes middleborough mass accident 
telephone hook circuit organization megatest corporation lines article moffatt john thomson writes thought mine hook line aprox hook drops series zener hook hook work draw current light equipment phone company hook hook state supposed draw current means digital voltmeter phone company equipment detect wrong cable problem light phone hook series line mentioned previous post light phone hook voltage threshold detector series diode thing easiest make current recall hand careful folks forced ring phone supposed ring simple zener setup carbon real quick scheme make rated components frontend remember mistaken phone line equivalent circuit current draw dropped ohms fine roughly bell considers hook dropping easiest implementation accomplish rectifier resistor diode zener resistor ring suggestion ahead blow holes idea choose high efficiency current light choose values components required aaron 
uninterruptible power supply organization megatest corporation lines article chris writes expert made sound realize typical switchover protected equipment running batteries inverter usual condition charge power fails deal computers batteries start droop sized batteries cabinet takes guts straight inverter time switchover screw things sense failure fast charge power time complicated sounds takes rectifies charge batteries takes battery chops feeding equipment approach easiest cleanest switchover mains battery power kicks mentioned happened line scheme mains lose power kick battery backup inverter replace lost power problem switchover time resync time flat built assumption provide output usable sorta make work similar story telephone system invented back damn system media back phone back assure work today phone system costs overhaul system make work 
exploding organization megatest corporation distribution lines article prasad prasad ramakrishna writes emerson color years fine watching doubt program heard mild explosion screen blank sound thought special effects program sound stopped smoke started back brilliant unplugged called customer service thrown hold transfer blah blah finally abandoned idea wanted bigger story wanted problem isolated incident common recall reading russian exploding picture tube explode smoke left summer idea parts things cost laugh damn thing goldstar essentially electronics face plate fortunately tubes explode mfrs make possibility remote implode glass blows result glass boucing back tube implosion case kick fixed hold schematics turned blown resistor feeding flyback transformer guess original resistor small dissipate heat created burning checked make flyback shorted luckily resistor handy lying needed cents needless works today schematics shocked poking flyback 
card computer distribution world lines article digitize output squid magnetometer range digital signal processing computer macintosh good good linearity high conversion speed preferably concerns external computer avoid digital noise feedback sensitive squid electronics good idea resolution requested order paid noise level lower kind hard noisy expect inside card test sampling distortion sine wave sine wave digital domain possibly sources digitized waveform transform alook noise floor spectrum give good indication design test data acquistion system designed idea maxim data sheet live resolution recommend maxim high speed complete sampling interface input range serial interface easily optically isolated computer elinimate major noise source analog design guide shows noise level claim pretty good pieces evaluation give nice folks call application assistance assumes build write software free sample calling discussion personal experience based system recommend find resolution system noise level throwing money charles cunningham llnl elec grad student connection maxim general recommend companies give samples students feel deserve nice 
simms organization macquarie university lines distribution world nntp posting host macadam mpce article jhaines seas upenn jason haines writes wondering people good simms bunch apple lots people sell interest inovative simms interested hearing practical ring ornaments johnh 
radar detector detectors organization iowa state university ames lines article oxenreid writes ragee randy agee writes questions brands quieter radar detectors detectable radar detector detectors driver months review detectors stealth factor steven knapp computer engineering student sknapp president cyclone amateur radio club iowa state university ames durham center operations staff 
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electronic odometers question organization project glue university maryland college park lines nntp posting host article nosubdomain nodomain eilenberger writes article jimii warford writes simple procedures alterating odometer mechanical driven odometer remove speedo cable transmission attach drill speed speedo turns continue desired mileage reached electronically driven odometer remove sensor wire sensor attach calibration signal oscope wire speedo turns attains desired mileage dear faster kinda version sensor wire feeds computer signal voltage expected things happen pulse rate damage analog part speedo combined instrument speed analog trip total milage digital needle pegged stop thought oscilliscope connect sensor wire measure stuff expects matthew russotto russotto russotto news readers expect disclaimer police searches seizures make force responsible bodily harm resulting advice 
picking cable aerial lines nntp posting host wcsub ctstateu organization yale university department computer science haven article dino bison tony stewart writes jfsenior john senior writes recently discovered receive cable telescopic aerial nearer aerial moved cable connected runs eaves house signal wondering improve signal improve signal significantly channels cable egress emanations radiated free space impedance cables harmonically realated channels therfore standing waves wave transfer efficiently antenna loose monopole harmonically tuned efficient wavelength multiples research tuned yagi antenna gain roof antenna type dipoles parallel radiating cable significantly experience cases dino bison inquiring mind winnipeg manitoba concept speculate connection theft cable services laws case specifically written legislation cable company stand court specific legal knowledge ritterbusch ritterbus ctstateu temp guide knack flying knack lies learning throw ground miss 
hard drive component costs organization systems melpar division lines information relative fraction final cost component average hard drive instance pretty heads platters expensive parts assembly costs running close cost electronics noise hard numbers percentage kevin doherty systems melpar division doherty esys principal engineer falls church kevin doherty systems melpar division doherty esys principal engineer falls church 
radar detector detectors organization inquiring mind lines alee louis leclerc writes article write wash canada heard radar detector detectors nope british columbia detectors legal alberta ontario illegal detection devices heard police ontario prefer direct method detection trigger radar watch people slamming brakes search david leex illegal manitoba methods detect amazed laws work illegal sell manitoba vehicle heard installed illegal victor bison inquiring mind winnipeg manitoba 
question outlet wiring nntp posting host techmac tech organization michigan technological university lines article crisp uncecs russ crisp wrote modernizing wiring home advice outlet wiring outlets prong type ground naturally wire feeding outlets ground wire noticed fusebox circuits ground circuits ground wire tied neutral white wire question electrical circuit hooked neutral jumper neutral ground screw prong grounding outlets wrong reasoning pass national electrical code inspection neutral wire current carrying ground wire fault condition reason neutral ground tied panel tranformer power pole grounded center secondary grounded center neutral neutral ground side transformer transformer effect neutral ground potential mark kilpela email mkilpela michigan technological university school technology 
nuclear site cooling towers organization university technology sydney lines distribution world nntp posting host acacia ccsd summary cooling towers work keywords nuclear organisation university technology sydney australia post question figured board wondering massive concrete cylinders present nuclear poer sites cylinders pinched middle actual purpose things hear called cooling towers heck cool hope 
question outlet wiring organization kernel mode systems diego lines article crisp uncecs russ crisp writes modernizing wiring home advice outlet wiring outlets prong type ground naturally wire feeding outlets ground wire noticed fusebox circuits ground circuits ground wire tied neutral white wire question electrical circuit hooked jumper neutral ground screw prong grounding outlets wrong reasoning noo ground green wire safety current supposed flow normal conditions means voltage drop supposed safe touch ground wire grounded time neutral white wire dave vanderbyl correctly return wire current flows voltage drop plug heavy load properly wired grounded outlet commonly measure volt difference neutral ground supposed connected breaker panel repeat strange exceptions things panels prong outlets additional wiring gfci outlet breaker outlet cheaper fact depending putting outlet gfci required electrical wiring posted regularly woodworking news answers great detail issues including gfcis read questions mail copy append copy writers cross post future jamie hanrahan kernel mode systems diego internet uucp uunet cmkrnl 
electrical wiring question outlet wiring reply wirefaq ocunix keywords outlets wiring power shock gfci expires distribution world organization kernel mode systems diego lines electrical wiring questions turn time time electronics answers apparent skilled electronics hijacking posting copy asked writers cross post electronics future news cmkrnl news answers newsgroups misc consumers house woodworking news answers misc answers answers subject electrical wiring message clewis ocunix chris lewis date reply wirefaq ocunix wiring commentary reception followup poster expires organization elegant communications ottawa canada summary series questions answers house wiring supersedes lines archive electrical wiring modified frequently asked questions electrical wiring steven bellovin chris lewis clewis ocunix comments automatic reply article wirefaq ocunix formatted digest news readers skip question pressing answers topics related houses obtained misc consumers house archive send empty piece mail house archive information previous issue marked left column watch questions list substantively changed answers note registered cross posted news answers list lists subject questions answered introduction disclaimers copy copy wiring extra pointers tools listing approval cheaper easier read books wiring inspections wiring inspected house meet rules regulations word voltages electrical service circuit grounding versus grounded versus neutral fuse breaker differences breakers fuses size wire numbers wirenut marrette marr connector gfci gfcis gfci difference gfci outlet gfci breaker purpose ground prong outlet prong wider polarization kind outlets kitchen outlets switches bathrooms romex plastic metal boxes junction positioning install replacement fixture lights brighten motor starts phase power house motors nonsense circuits convert prong receptacles prong gfcis ungrounded outlets test button work wire shop underground wiring aluminum wiring buying house weird stuff style wiring stuff subject introduction disclaimers fair wiring electricians responsible uncertain correct safe contact qualified licensed electrician local electrical inspector electricity joke mistakes result shocks fires electrocution discussion based national electrical code canadian electrical code abilities confirmed detail electrical code quote sections simply thing readable wrong invite correct quote references force municipalities adopt toto check local building department hydro inspection offices canada find applies area local electrical utility special requirements electrical service installation bear mind applies primarily ordinary single family residences multi family dwellings mobile homes commercial establishments governed rules note contrary popular belief parts canada canada wholly owned subsidiary apply canada lots things including voltages line frequencies laws physics number crucial differences regulations noted flagging relevant passages remember minimal standards smart minimal requirements subject copy model electrical code devised published national fire protection association insurance industry group revised years version released copy decent bookstore calling directly code exists versions full text fairly incomprehensible abridged edition sections apply houses handbook authorized commentary code full text recommended version handbook abridged edition full handbook expensive shipping handling subject copy canadian standards association organization made government agencies power utilities insurance companies electrical manufacturers organizations publishes standard updated years province adopts amendments standard publishes province specific code book province publishes slightly modified standard confusing obtain standard means provincial standard derived ontario hydro electrical safety code edition turn based edition differences exist provinces attempt made avoid specific ontario detail provincial code obtained electrical inspection offices provincial power authority ontario ontario hydro ontario hydro book overly includes mailed updates hear standards easier read equivalent publications bother quebec wiring banned province subject wiring extra pointers places homeowners allowed wiring check local electrical inspector places permit wiring homes money license permitted wiring commercial buildings multiple dwellings duplexes considered semi commercial commercial jurisdictions permit work semi commercial wiring supervised licensed electrician find supervise wiring important point neat electrician home family killed make mistake electrician time pressures skills tricks trade fast safe consciously recommendations excess code feel reasonable impress inspector inspector amateur earn trust spend time neat corners exceed specifications inspector extremely picky fault slightest transgressions hide inspector proper tools bread knife strip wires twist wires fingers inspector results safe takes longer stick hunk wire hand handle house wire cold thermoplastic house wire older types brittle subject tools obvious hammer drill screwdrivers straight phillips head lucky live canada find source approved devices robertson square recess screwdrivers phillips drilling holes spade electric drill working elderly lumber recommend drill angle drills wonderful rented screw point auger drill bits bits pull faster fatiguing year hardwood timbers screw driver bits drills expecially install electrical boxes screws drywall screws work stripping wire real wire stripper knife ordinary wire cutters mart combo stripper crimper bottle opener types expect good plier type pair sized stripping holes nick grab wire easy strip wire model small hole blade forming exact wire loops screw terminals fancier types autostrip generally pros pair diagonal side cutter pliers clipping ends constricted places stripping wire linesman pliers twisting wires wire nuts pair needle nose pliers fiddling inside boxes closing loops form wire loops loop hole wire stripper accurate metallic cable cable stripper removing sheath pros nick sheath grab ground wire pair pliers simply sheath back ground wire zipper sheath strip sheath knife point easy slash insulation conductors apparently stanley utility knives fitted linoleum cutters hooked blades strip sheath possibility gouge conductors substantial amount work armored cable worth invest rotary cable splitter hack saws tricky cutting wire insulation prong outlet testers quick check properly wired outlets multimeters expensive worth people simple voltage sensor detect potential insulated wire supplying devices extremely helpful cost radio shack voltage detector check wires dead work neon bulb version cheap work audible alarm type good tracing circuits helper lock drill breakers scream stops running wires existing walls fish tape tapes needed bent hanger length thin chain suffice fish tapes rented electrical tape lots good competent wiring tape tape wrapping dicy insulation repair work wrap body outlets 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insurance companies refuse damage claims general process apply local inspections office building department permit sketch detailed drawing plan good time questions things major work impose special conditions require loading calculations questions point inspections installing main panel panel service connections inspected power utility provide connection local power authority usual inspectors installing boxes wiring insulation walls rough inspection walls wiring complete final inspection subject house meet rules regulations upgrade general requirement upgrade older dwellings exceptions smoke detectors cases work latest electrical code major work required upgrade existing portions system check local electrical inspector subject word voltages thing things confusing numbers people bandy voltage circuit person talk fact thing north america utility companies required supply split phase volt feed house works legs additionally resistive voltage drops house wiring unreasonable find dropped dropped time power reaches wall outlet extension cord long circuit number reasons historical simple personal orneryness people choose call slightly numbers chosen consistent calling measured voltage confusing ignore thing make understandable nameplates equipment ofen show lower implies device designed operate properly voltage drops voltage phases phase circuit neutral voltage phases phase circuit neutral keeping versus strangeness motors intended phase labelled subject electrical service logically wires involved supplying main panel power utility pole fourth bare wire bare wire connected long metal bars pounded ground wire buried foundation water supply pipe metal continuous main water pipe entering house watch galvanic action conductivity breaks copper iron pipe grounding conductor make prong outlets connected ground wire carries current wires white black white yellow stripes simply black neutral wire connected centre center distribution transformer supplying power connected grounding conductor place inside panel neutral ground connected weird dangerous things happen grounding system home codes require grounding electrode connected connected neutral common point grounding system adding additional grounding electrodes connected portions house wiring unsafe contrary code subpanel ground neutral brought separate conductors main panel connected subpanel neutral ground connection situations categories separate buildings provide grounding electrode consult inspector wires black wires attached distribution transformer black wires degrees phase means connect wires voltage volts connect white blacks panels wires coming neutral ground connected point meter pole wire dual duty neutral ground rare occasions service wire service subject circuit inside panel connections made incoming wires connections supply power selected portions home combinations neutral ground circuit hots neutral ground circuit hots neutral ground circuit neutral circuits common neutral circuits supplying receptacles lighting house supplying power major appliances stoves dryers bringing circuits panel distribution point special motor circuits electric heaters conditioners note frequently permits circuit similar stoves dryers wires wire dual duty neutral ground connected frame providing neutral purposes prong plugs stoves dryers connected main panel connected panels prong plugs receptacles required humble opinion crazy nfpa claims practice evaluated found safe check local codes inquire local practice restrictions permissible wired conductor wire black white neutral bare grounding wire coloured black bare wire grounding white wire neutral wired black white ground wire white case requires white wire permanently marked ends live wire paint nail polish electrical tape circuit attached main wires coming panel circuit breaker fuse locales circuits bare ground wires places require tubs ground frame ground attaches motor alternative gfci protection subject grounding versus grounded versus neutral terminology grounding conductor safety ground green bare wire word neutral reserved white circuit wire white wire connected neutral grounding conductor inside panel proper term grounded conductor potential confusion grounded conductor grounding conductor lead potentially lethal mistakes bare wire grounded conductor white wire grounding conductor connected panel subpanels subpanels neutral ground separately main panel trade common usage word neutral grounded conductor neutral simply avoid potential confusion recommend neutral white wire light switch applications neutral ground subject fuse breaker differences fuses circuit breakers designed interrupt power circuit current flow exceeds safe levels toaster shorts fuse breaker trip protecting wiring walls melting fuses breakers primarily intended protect wiring approval supposedly equipment fire fuses narrow strip metal designed melt safely current exceeds rated interrupting power circuit fuses trip fast problem motors large startup current surges motor circuits time delay fuse brand fusetron avoid tripping momentary overloads fusetron spring loaded fuse fuse trip replaced breakers fairly complicated mechanical devices consist spring loaded contact latched position contact current flow device exceeds rated bimetallic strip heats bends bending trips latch spring pulls contacts circuit breakers behave similarly fusetrons tend longer trip moderate overloads ordinary fuses high overloads trip quickly breakers reset finite number times time trip thrown circuit arcing takes place damages contacts breakers place switches specially listed purpose fuses breakers limit current dead short circuit hundreds thousands amperes flow short period time severe damage subject breakers fuses statistics show fuse panels significantly higher risk causing fire breaker panels fuse loosely screwed contacts corroding heating time wrong size fuse installed proverbial replace fuse penny trick breakers permanently installed connection mechanisms risk fire considerably fuses prone explode extremely high overload fuse explodes metallic vapor cloud conducting path result complete meltdown electrical panel melted service wiring fires electrical distribution transformer house burn breakers jurisdictions canada longer permit fuse panels installations permit fuse panels rare circumstances requiring special inserts fuseholder specific size fuses devices notably large conditioners require fuse protection addition breaker panel fuse protect motor windings overload check labeling unit large permanently installed motors installation instructions subject size wire circuit gauge wire circuit gauge wire locales long larger size wire avoid voltage drops gauge slightly expensive gauge stiffer harder work quick table normal situations size foot runs cable conduit ganged wires place dissipate heat easily gauge amps list bigger sizes starts dependent application precise wire type subject numbers considerations voltage drop heat buildup smaller wire higher resistance resistance higher wire heats voltage drop wiring higher temperature insulation bigger wires conduit larger wire long runs effect significant short distances specific exceptions smaller wire allowed obvious line cord lamps fits exceptions wrong larger wire subject describe size quantity conductors cable number specifies gauge number current carrying conductors wire remember extra ground wire means gauge insulated current carrying wires bare ground wire black white bare ground wire white circuits neutral case sheath wire black white bare ground wire carrying neutral subject wirenut marrette marr connector wire cone shaped threaded plastic thingummy connect wires marrette marr connector trade names wiring essence strip wires inch twist twist wirenut wirenuts advertise twist wire mechanically electrically secure sizes wire check wire correct size quantity sizes wire connecting gimble wires pair pliers fingers pair blunt nose linesman pliers carefully twist wires tightly neatly good idea trim resulting make wirenut properly people wrap open wirenut electrical tape good idea inspector tear inspection bare wire exposed wire taping connection redone subject gfci gfci ground fault circuit interrupter measures current current flowing wire neutral wire differ milliamps presumption current leaking ground path short circuit chassis appliance ground lead person situations hazardous gfci trips breaking circuit gfcis protect kinds electric shocks simultaneously touched neutral leads circuit part grounded gfci current passed lead return neutral lead keeping gfci happy pairs connections gfci outlet symmetric labeled load line incoming power feed connected line side outlet protected load side protect devices downstream string outlets covered single gfci outlet subject gfcis mandates gfcis single phase outlets bathrooms kitchens sink garages unfinished basements crawl spaces outdoors pool encounter water dampness exceptions inaccessible outlets dedicated appliances occupying fixed space typically refrigerators freezers sump pumps laundry appliances mandate gfcis requirement protect kitchen outlets garage basement outlets basement outlets protected dirt floor garage outlets door bathrooms exterior outlets gfcis required gfci protection installing gfci breaker cost gfci outlets cost costs higher canada evaluate risk factors finished basement small children garage outlets power outdoor tools water melted snow puddle inside garage subject gfci gfcis generally circuits pose safety risk power equipment unattended long periods time refrigerators freezers sump pumps good examples rationale gfcis prone nuisance trips people claim inductive delay motor windings momentary current imbalance tripping gfci note gfci trips real trips apparent reason advised check wiring deciding gfci broken useless subject difference gfci outlet gfci breaker situations gfci outlet device circuit install breaker built gfci generally preferred gfci breakers expensive ordinary breaker costs gfci model costs major exception protect multi wire branch circuit circuits sharing common neutral wire canadian style kitchen circuit multi pole gfci breaker expensive cost range hundreds dollars depending brand panel protect circuit pool heater choice caveat gfci outlets bulky oversize installing thought large deep boxes incidentally installing gfci ensure specific outlet protected bathroom trouble find outlet circuit simply find outlet bathroom gfci upstream protecting circuit preferred install gfci good idea ground fault protected stickers mark outlets downstream gfci figure outlets downstream simply tripping gfci test button outlets dead subject purpose ground prong outlet electronics comment fluorescent lights turn good ground connection intended guard insulation failures device generally case appliance connected ground lead insulation failure shorts lead case ground lead conducts electricity safely possibly trips circuit breaker process case grounded short occurs case live touch grounded zapped circuit gfci protected tiny gfcis replace ungrounded outlets appliances grounded applies toasters exposed conductors touch heating electrode toaster grounded happen slightly grounded small shock resistance high case grounded holding perfect path ground subject prong wider polarization nowadays prong devices prong wider device rely guaranteed specific wire neutral advantageous light fixtures shell neutral safety devices approximate ground reference radios prong extension cords wide prongs requires wire outlets plugs wide prong neutral narrow outlets darker metal screw lighter coloured screw neutral figure prong terminating screw connects subject kind outlets kitchen requires small appliance circuits kitchens requires split duplex receptacles outlets installed point outlet counter wider outlet circuit outlets feed outlets kitchen pantry dining room circuits addition required refrigerators stoves microwaves lighting dedicated outlets sink protected gfci split duplex receptacles circuit broken side outlet upper outlet lower outlet neutral connects outlets screw carrying outlet neutral pigtailed removing outlet neutral connection fall neutral disconnect downstream outlets subject outlets switches bathrooms outlet bathroom adjacent sink addition outlet incorporated light fixture outlets gfci protected subject romex romex brand type plastic insulated wire called metallic sheath formal suitable protected areas inside stud walls sides joists subject mechanical damage excessive heat newer homes wired exclusively wire categories cable cable technically armored cable flexible aluminum steel sheath conductors fairly resistant damage teck cable additional external thermoplastic sheath protection cable concealed locations cable studs joists similar wooden members outer surface cable edges wooden members cable protected mechanical injury protection form metal plates spare outlet ends conduit note inspector permitted practise canada suggests armored cable flexible conduit mechanical protection technically illegal additional protection recommendations rules canadian codes reasonable answers vague references exposed mechanical damage cable protected mechanical damage passes floors surface walls exposed locations feet floor flexible conduit wooden guards cable suspended connections furnaces water heaters wire protected canadian practise install junction outlet wall short length cable cable flexible conduit jump appliance stapling piece lumber cable close proximity heating ducts pipe heat transfer minimized means space suitable insulation material fiberglass cable supported fitting intervals holes joists studs considered supports slack cable provided adjacent fishing cable technically violation permitted proper support impractical conductor cable stapled edge knight insists cable staple referring workmanship clause honoured breach cable buried plaster cement similar finish cable protected runs baseboards cable upper edge ceiling joists lower edges rafters headroom cable terminated clamp small plastic bushings inserted cable prevent clamps forcing sharp ends armor insulation good idea work shop covered solid wall coverings places damage back wall garage required conduit approved metal pipe types fittings join pipe provide entrance exit wire service entrances frequently plastic conduit damp places buried wiring outdoor lighting special wire heavy duty short lengths conduit wire enters exits ground underground wiring section thermoplastic sheath wire exposed direct sunlight explicitly approved purpose electrical codes permit routing wire furnace ducts including cold return plenums constructed metal sheeting enclosing joist spaces reason fire ducting spread toxic gasses burning insulation rapidly building teflon insulated wire permitted plenums areas canada appears similar wire designations canadian wire designations include temperature rating celsius versus degrees celcius note local codes vary items chicago codes require conduit requirements mobile homes check local codes slightest ordinary wire selection table incomplete real tables enormous uncommon wire types applications omitted condition type exposed concealed plastic armor teck exposed concealed damp plastic armor acwu teck exposed concealed plastic nmwu armor acwu teck exposed weather plastic nmwu armor teck direct earth burial plastic nmwu service entrance armor teck acwu nmwu service entrance subject plastic metal boxes permits plastic boxes metallic cable reasoning simple armored cable ground conductor continuity plastic boxes metal cable clamps slightly permits cable armor grounding conductor provide ground continuity metallic sheath requires grounding metal cable clamps plastic boxes advantage plastic boxes comparatively minor metallic sheathed cable avoid making ground connection cost hand plastic boxes vulnerable impacts exposed shop wiring metal boxes subject junction positioning junction connecting wires junction boxes located accessible buried plaster excessive junction boxes sign sloppy installation inspectors nasty subject install replacement light fixture general replace fixtures freely subject caveats check amperage rating circuit heart installing half dozen watt floodlights wire back panel subtle constraints older house wiring high temperature insulation excess heat generated ceiling mounted lamp insulation deteriorate crack obvious results newer fixtures specifically marked high temperature wire find fact ceiling wiring problem case replacing devices real adventure concerns include providing suitable ground fluorescent fixtures making ceiling mounting strong support weight heavy chandelier ceiling install specifically listed purpose ceiling joists makes good support metal brackets fished ceilings junction hole mounted joists special rules recessed light fixtures lamps heat lamps installed insulated ceilings present substantial fire hazard installation lamps insulated ceilings provided fixture boxed coffin made making pair joists high covering plywood insulation feet long rules stringent require clearance fixture sort thermal insulation rules obstruct free movement means style coffin worthwhile local inspector mandate coffin inspector requirement make absolutely fixture accidentally buried insulation insulation blown fixtures integral thermal cutouts fairly large cases buried directly insulation limited watt bulbs expensive older types ensure explicit approval follow installation instructions carefully prescribed location sensor vary heat lamp fixture approved insulation coffin appears legal approach subject lights brighten motor starts means neutral wire panel loose depending load balance wire respect ground hazardous situation destroy electronic equipment possibly start fires situations electrocute jurisdictions require stove frame connected neutral contact electrical authority immediately check problem note brightening normal lighting motors neutral circuit loose main panel neutral show increased brightness longer case doubt subject phase power house phase power wires degrees phase large motors efficient starting torque motors simpler cheaper encounter phase circuit shows volts ground volts hots shows difference normal common neutral circuit volts hots phase circuits voltages bringing phase feed house ridiculously expensive impossible equipment standard motor mount cheaper motor cases phase equipment ordinary power capacitor start unit larger motor auto generator tricky good solution motor standard size expensive replace taunton press book small shop article note lose electrical efficiency converter laws thermodynamics guarantee subject motors theoretically make difference difference amount power lost supply wiring things equal motor lose times power house wiring motor means startup surge loss motor speed quicker circumstances smaller power loss lead longer motor life irrelevant supply wires feet long subject nonsense circuits universal physical equal watts heating loss power factor inefficiencies watts circuit deliver watts motor possibly approximately rational efficiency factors equipment manufacturers sears router manufacturers general advertise rating excess giving stall horsepower similar means power measured motor stop turning load mention condition seconds breaker trip motor melt drawing current continuously comparing motors compare continuous horsepower motor nameplate find figure check amperage rating present subject convert prong receptacles prong older homes frequently prong receptacles modern receptacles safety ground cabling ground wire permits installing prong receptacles anymore approaches solving wiring conduit conduit continuous back panel connect prong receptacle receptacle frowns practise copper cold water pipe nearby continuous main house ground point conductor prong ground conductor back main panel easiest install gfci receptacle ground connected gfci protection serve gfci protect downstream possibly prong outlets protect downstream outlets grounds connected connected real ground wiring fault energize cases prong devices connected outlets indirect ground plug connections sheath cable permits replace prong receptacle prong fill ground conducting goop caulking compound permitted subject gfcis ungrounded outlets test button work remember local codes vary test button resistor connecting load side wire line side neutral wire press test button current resistor shows imbalance trips gfci simple passive reliable test require real ground work gfci trip press test button defective miswired test button work broken potentially dangerous problem corrected immediately instructions gfcis ground wire connected mundane instruction sheet formalities listing device tested ground wire connected hand approval granted device behaves properly listed applications including ungrounded outlet replacement called leviton gfcis labeled installation grounded circuits technician surprised agreed require promised investigate subject wire shop kind wiring power devices simultaneously code specifies stay nominal capacity circuit typical home shop means circuit major power tools possibly dust collector shop gauge wire power tools motors start surge breakers requires standard receptacles means replug equipment lights circuit shared circuits rest house separate circuits idea avoid situation blade spinning thousand groping dark switch install lots outlets easier install beginning existing cable circuits accessible point shop compressor time tool metal boxes plates metal sheathed cable objects flying high speeds wrong note jurisdictions horizontal wiring rule workshops unfinished areas working means wiring structural members stapled studs shop circuits include heater circuits circuits large tools compressor circuits overload circuits extension cords rated high currents coiled extension cord safe straight length wire gauge insulation withstand heat heat dissipation critical issue shop located remove main panel install subpanel derive shop wiring young children equip panel switch possibly lock install individual switches safe circuits make rated high ordinary light switches safely able handle start surge generated table horsepower rated switches finally note home shops garages unfinished basements requirements gfcis apply shop outlets lawn mower owner house idea note fine woodworking magazine carries articles shop wiring april place start subject underground wiring prepare trench specifications special wire protect wire conduit special plastic tubing possibly lumber creosoted lumber rots thermoplastic insulation acts catalyst corrosion lead transition house underground wire generally conduit outdoor boxes specifically listed purpose gaskets fittings location subject immersion water style water proof needed forget gfcis required depths details vary jurisdiction jurisdiction suggest consult inspector specific situation hint roll bright yellow tape buried power line bury inches wire subject aluminum wiring aluminum copper wiring popular extensively time aluminum wiring implicated number house fires jurisdictions longer permit installations recommend allowed wiring panic house aluminum wiring aluminum wiring properly installed safe copper aluminum wiring unforgiving improper installation cover theory potential problems make wiring safe main problem aluminum wiring phenomenon cold creep aluminum wiring warms expands cools contracts unlike copper aluminum number warm cool cycles loses tightness time make problem worse aluminum oxidises corrodes contact types metal resistance connection heat corrode oxidize eventually wire start melt insulation fixture attached possibly fire people encounter aluminum wiring move house built cover basic points safe aluminum wiring suggest purchasing home aluminum wiring discovered hire licensed electrician inspector check wiring things fixtures outlets switches directly attached aluminum wiring rated device stamped supersedes safe fixtures expensive ordinary wires properly connected screw clockwise direction connections tight repeated tightening screws make problem worse inspection snug connection note aluminum wiring main service entrance cable inspected push terminals extreme hazard aluminum wire connections push terminals redone proper screw connections immediately signs overheating darkened connections melted insulation baked fixtures damage repaired connections aluminum copper wire handled specially current canadian codes require wire specially marked connecting aluminum copper requires wire connected special crimp devices anti oxidant grease tools materials expensive practical rent tool rated receptacle connected aluminum wiring means short copper pigtail shows reasonable workmanship neat wiring properly stripped nicked wire purchasing home inspection wiring shows problems wiring safe signs problems places suggest wrong receptacles replace proper type pigtails professionally range receptacle switch subject buying house congratulations generally good idea hire inspector house hidden gotchas wiring plumbing structural inspection wiring shows problems minor wiring safe minor problems fixed signs problems places suggest hints obvious code wiring include cord wiring concealed nailed walls wiring identified neutral conductor proper marking ungrounded grounding outlets downstream gfci splices hanging proper knob tube switched neutrals unsecured romex swinging grapevines wiring practises code time reveal wiring hidden violations switches control abandoned properly terminated wiring wall switch shuts group lights separately controlled wall switches convenient switches outlets bizarre locations great numbers junction boxes outlets lamps junction boxes great numbers wires wiring passes closet wall ceiling backwrapped grounding wires subject weird stuff style wiring years edison invented electricity wiring styles older home encounter stuff section describes methods idiosyncrasies oldest wiring system encounter called knob tube made individual conductors cloth insulation wires side structural members joists studs ceramic stand offs knobs wire structural members ceramic tubes connections made twisting wire soldering wrapping tape neutral separately wiring confusing neutral runs centre room taps fixture wire tended fixture cases colour coded neutral colour wires homes built late comments people installing pretty paranoid electricity workmanship pretty good wire insulation insulators tend stand good condition grounding grounding difficult install boxes small receptacle replacement gfci difficult bushing boxes wiring special attention entry neutral balanced separately circuits overload neutral exceeding fusing circuit building code permit insulation walls connection existing circuits tricky consult inspector modern wiring practise requires considerably outlets installed systems pretty decent condition generally replace simply watch renovations interfered cautious circuit loading cases perfectly reasonable leave existing fixtures circuits modern techniques invented multi conductor cable type roughly cloth varnish insulation romex cable decade stuff grounding conductor installed modern wiring major drawback type insulation embrittles systems insulation fracture fall touch cable vintage similar problems stuff fragile hazardous wires bare wiring left untouched opportunity arises replace simple receptacle switch replacement turn hour long frustrating fight electrical tape heat shrink tubing wiring technique modern romex invented asphalt impregnated cloth sticky stuff stands present hazard easy work replaced considered safe modern stuff thermoplastic insulation wire abuse subject stuff find proper electrical supply outlet prices considerably chain hardware stores centres quality materials wider variety including stuff people counter talking cultivate friendly knowledgeable sales people give valuable information chris lewis clewis 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nuclear site cooling towers ganter unibas robert ganter organization institut fuer informatik nntp posting host schroeder unibas lines article writes post question figured board wondering massive concrete cylinders present nuclear poer sites cylinders pinched middle actual purpose things hear called cooling towers heck cool hope wrong newsgroup mind machine powered heat motor steam gasturbine steamengine thermoelement work bigger temperature difference input output thermic energy powering medium steam burning eliminate rest energy efficency high thermal electric power plant coal atomic power works heat water steam power turbine generators energy steam efficency cool steam power plants cooling towers purpose type mega refrigerator water river ecologically unobjectionable cheers robert robert ganter universitaet basel institut fuer informatik plan basel switzerland ganter unibas amateurradio packet 
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casio serial link organization edinburgh university lines casio lectric diary wire serial interface param setting magic expensive cable connect spec interface inverting boosting cmos signals match lines chris malcolm aifh department artificial intelligence edinburgh university forrest hill edinburgh 
question outlet wiring organization mentor graphics corp group lines distribution world reply garyg mentorg nntp posting host garyg warren mentorg article writes article crisp uncecs russ crisp writes question electrical circuit hooked jumper neutral ground screw prong grounding outlets wrong reasoning prong outlets additional wiring gfci outlet breaker outlet cheaper fact depending putting outlet gfci required supply proper ground ground fault circuit interrupter rewiring part ground connected local earth ground back breaker jamie gfci devices required code number places notably bathrooms house suggest gfci outlets breakers headaches noise pickup long cable runs frequent tripping breakers gfci devices save lives decide install check regularly test button running family business electrical supplies lighting years seasoned electricians fried forgot double check common sense list exercise caution gary gendel vice president current consulting assignment genashor corp mentor graphics corporation piney woods drive independence boulevard belle mead warren phone phone email garyg mentorg 
chip chipset code barcode organization utexas mail news gateway lines nntp posting host utexas distribution reply lihan utexas bugging thing chip chipset decode code barcode couple reasons compact encoding scheme write information magstripe cards code appears easy chance reply quickly earlier post couple days lihan utexas 
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nuclear site cooling towers organization hewlett packard newsreader lines walker swalker wrote post question figured board wondering massive concrete cylinders present nuclear poer sites cylinders pinched middle actual purpose things hear called cooling towers heck cool hope nuclear fission reaction uranium fuel melt liquid uranium pumped cooling tower sprayed contact cool condense mist fall back cooling tower floor collected cleaning crew shop vacs reformed pellets reactor cooling towers taller power companies forced make tall enviromental requires uranium emisions held attack lawyers arguing measured edge property edge cooling tower eliminating save power companies thousands dollars concrete costs nukes john eaton johne 
ungrounded gfcis question outlet wiring nntp posting host aisun organization programs university georgia athens lines article garyg mentorg writes prong outlets additional wiring gfci outlet breaker outlet cheaper fact depending putting outlet gfci required supply proper ground ground fault circuit interrupter oddly wiring regularly posted misc consumers house gfci senses discrepancies live neutral wire currents cuts discrepancy found ground connection needed function michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio 
good spice book juhan juhan poldvere organization tartu university department chemistry nntp posting host piko chem newsreader version lines lines neil gandler buffalo wrote electrical engineering student familiar spice great good reference manual explains organized concise current guide circuit simulation analysis spice feel information randomly book easy small things good reference book info postscript manual berkeley spice directory kbytes pages juhan poeldvere juhan tartu university dept chemistry jakobi tartu estonia stockholm voice 
specs juhan juhan poldvere organization tartu university department chemistry nntp posting host piko chem newsreader version lines lines kind soul post power voltage current ratings transistors conductance types pinouts sweep portion advance juhan poeldvere juhan tartu university dept chemistry jakobi tartu estonia stockholm voice 
polaroid range finder interference organization organization lines setup polaroid transducers rangefinders fire time firings fired fire direction explain situation assume firing sonars echo corresponds distance sonar detects init line sonar detection transducer sonar faint signal transducer time init line sonar activated feel ground coupling causing interference conclusion separate power supply sonars problems units type experience suggestions remedies greatly appreciated caglan aras aras ncsu department north carolina state university raleigh 
single chip receiver reply daytonoh john ackermann organization corporation department lines project detector module fast packet radio fancy modulation scheme wide familiar motorola chip newer designs work higher input frequencies goal inexpensive design receiver back input demondulator interested ways higher current chips work internal downconversion normal filter suggestions john john ackermann department corporation dayton ohio john ackermann packet radio ampr 
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question outlet wiring organization eastman kodak lines article writes article crisp uncecs russ crisp writes modernizing wiring home advice outlet wiring outlets prong type ground naturally wire feeding outlets ground wire noticed fusebox circuits ground circuits ground wire tied neutral white wire supposed connected breaker panel repeat strange exceptions things panels jamie hanrahan kernel mode systems diego internet uucp uunet cmkrnl panels place neutral connected ground service disconnect house main panel serves service disconnect panles garage workshop maintain seperate neutral ground busses service disconnect equipment steve woodard licensed electrician read book brother 
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question outlet wiring organization lake stevens lines crisp uncecs russ crisp writes question electrical circuit hooked jumper neutral ground screw prong grounding outlets wrong reasoning respectfully suggest ground supposed protective ground suggest good paper dangerous rely wire power protection meet code property sell liabilities wiring addresses alternative gfci current code area gfci senses alternate unwanted current paths rely specific protective ground wire gfci protected circuit gfci breakers expensive 
single chip receiver organization sonoma county srsd mwtd newsreader version lines john ackermann daytonoh wrote project detector module fast packet radio fancy modulation scheme wide familiar motorola chip newer designs work higher input frequencies goal inexpensive design receiver back input demondulator interested ways higher current chips work internal downconversion normal filter suggestions john describe close built arrl computer network conference proceedings built watt transceivers essentially double conversion transverters digital demod receiver receiver chip previouslyu mbps data link published radio arrl handbook includes converter section speeds newer slightly improved design remember rightly reduce external count receive offer transmit bother radios built designed built kbps channel reduced half kbps radios bench tests kbps speed pretty function filter design handling data stream matter existing radios deployed hilltops beacon test mode data flow lack resources debug software digital hardware shown proceedings data perfect copy data clock half speed kbytes test text chapter isaiah takes hoping interested step involved writing code make thing usable borland environment remote debugging mentioned proceedings date couple running resources time money energy area check text mark side beacons sonoma black overlooking valley antenna horizontally polarized guess retrospect suggestions fairly costly approach radios intended users backbones carefully target arrange paths complete line sight address inter symbol interference caused multipath link budgets paths details working spread spectrum direct conversion design address problems glad design problems glenn elmore amateur glenn ampr internet glenne 
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heavy duty antenna simulation software nntp posting host flux alaska organization geophysical institute fairbanks lines interested hearing good software antenna simulation source form suitable unix workstations good software interest aware numerous mininec mutations time primarily interested designs wire antennas thick wires mesh surfaces basic thin wire assumption interesting happening version mutilated sort microsoft fortran improved versions code interested derivatives aimed microwave applications lower frequencies rice mail alaska internet geophysical institute fnddr bitnet university alaska flux span fairbanks phone loran 
packages organization megatest corporation lines article seema columbia seema varma writes choosing package high speed silicon fabricated research project test chip speed expect roughly packaged circuits speed high speed testing test chip work long lead lines high inductance custom made package expensive choose flatpak leadless chip carrier flatpack hard test soldered test setup spend loads time soldering changing test chip leadless chip carrier sockets long lead lines work high speeds experience knowledge field greatly ideas names companies manufacturing holders sockets packages multi layer fancy gaas packages overkill seema varma mention cost issue running digital side test equipment long domain plcc pitch problem packaging long adhere sound engineering practices good source information motorola mecl system design handbook latest dated considered bibles high speed design fact build test fixture means socket inductance package testing mention impedance discontinuities concern packaging make difference designed environment aaron opinions company standard disclaimer applies 
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service entrance bonded service ground water pipe systems installed illegally unsafely provide safe ground quiet ground grounded conductor circuit called neutral referred code identified conductor supposed white natural grey conductor supposed connected ground electrical systems single point generally service entrance panel connection main bonding jumper household service panels main bonding jumper bonding screw attaches neutral busbar case panel grounded conductor neutral generally current carrying conductor case volt circuit conductors completing circuit panel load device grounded conductor neutral connected grounding conductor bare green service entrance load distance service draws significant current small measurable voltage grounded grounding conductors load normal operating conditions incorrectly connect grounded neutral conductor grounding conductor load neutral current flow grounding conductor current flowing grounding conductor longer ground potential load load equipment metal case connected grounding conductor ground plug metal case longer ground potential difference normal short circuit conditions tenths volt volt present shock hazard metal case grounded equipment contact independently grounded object water pipe radiator metal conditioning duct part neutral current flow aalternate ground path contact solid significant voltage possibly moderate current wrong conditions arcing start fire cases sneak ground current flow wire inadequate size causing overheat incorrect single point grounding neutral short circuit neutral high short circuit current flow higher voltage grounding conductor increases possibility shock fire incorrectly multiply connect neutral ground voltage ground system noise computer audio equipment causing malfunction spent hours tracking shorts technical facilities inducing severe equipment neutral bonded ground distribution transformer service entrance dwelling primarily lightning protection induced lightning currents short path back ground 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nuclear site cooling towers organization netcom line communication services guest lines wayne alan martin writes excerpts netnews electronics nuclear site coslet portal coslet portal subject nuclear site cooling towers date article swalker walker wrote post question figured board wondering massive concrete cylinders present nuclear poer sites cylinders pinched middle actual purpose things hear called cooling towers heck cool great explaination left detail nuclear plants fossil fuel plants nuclear plants prefered water closed cycle fossil fuel plants cases dumping water recall water thermodynamically fossil fuel plants danger radioactive contamination fossil fuel plants hotter usual boiling water reactor nuclear plants gripe industry nuclear power vintage steam technology important nuclear plants cold system cold cooling towers fired steam plants condensers sized steam back water ambient plants cool condensers water canadian official asked thermal pollution icing river view heat resource runs closed cycle boilers water purified solids crud boiler plumbing water boils purifying water boiler bigger cooling boiler water recycled john nagle 
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simms nntp posting host eigen ualberta organization university alberta edmonton canada lines rubin ohio state daniel rubin writes hard interface popular motorola microcontrollers novice microcontrollers starting projects simms laying upgraded macs free memory projects great project mind caller device require store hundered records assuming expanded muxed mode easier dram controller implement counter huge multiplexer provide column refresh address multiplexing thing drams require wierd timing address multiplexing refresh wanted neat controller built dram controller built dram address line adding component simms basically dram chips equivalent fewer packages takes logic design chip simms megabytes apple 
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nuclear site cooling towers organization dixie communications public access mouth south keywords nuclear lines swalker walker writes wondering massive concrete cylinders present nuclear poer sites cylinders pinched middle actual purpose things hear called cooling towers heck cool hope actual hourglass hollow designed generate draft exploiting venturi effect base hourglass ring water towers warm river water coming steam condenser plant sprayed louvres draft pulled tower cools water evaporation convection heat extracted cooling water driving force draft generation noted hourglass shaped cooling towers fossile nuclear plants noted locations water plentiful cooling towers part time discharge temperature exceed release limit thought warm discharge water damaging fish fishermen incorrect nontheless stringent state regulations remain instances typically takes worth pumping move volume water needed cool plant cost towers insignificant john armond interested high performance mobility performance engineering magazine interested high tech computers marietta send snail mail address perform free sample harvey oswald 
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organization clinic habitual netnews abusers beltway annex lines reply cwru david lesher nntp posting host skybridge cwru modification higher speed cost power consumption effectively obsolete combination speed comparable lower power consumption round widest variety devices fast blazes power clear choice high speed availability prices generally good hate disagree fellow smart henry years back worked project lots high speed stuff part slow parallel whew mild mannered designer working fast serial stuff cussed swore time harry reams ultra tiny power line glitch hickup eyeblink board bang toggled counted whatevered times swore count volt supply guess stood push work avoid replace consequences fully understood host host coast coast cwru talk host close linux host close busy hung dead 
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nuclear site cooling towers reply chris saar software hermes mime version content type text plain charset ascii content transfer encoding lines john eaton writes nuclear fission reaction uranium fuel melt liquid uranium pumped cooling tower sprayed contact cool condense mist fall back cooling tower floor collected cleaning crew shop vacs reformed pellets reactor cooling towers taller power companies forced make tall enviromental requires uranium emisions held attack lawyers arguing measured edge property edge cooling tower eliminating save power companies thousands dollars concrete costs nukes john eaton johne posted article days late april nuclear powerplants fair storys explain tower modernst nuclear powerplant simple steam engine hightech boiler rest verry verry conventional visited condensation powerstation cooling towers good book thermophysics find chapter carnot process describes energy temperature difference reason cooling towers energy temperature gradient means steam side cool steam till water side aprox energy uranium brought water boil steam cold steam side loose energy cool steam energy carnot give cooling towers cooling steam vapor steam main core circulation steam radioactive circulation divided circuits connected heat exchangers prevent radioactive pollution environment main core modernst hightemperature reactors celsius verry uraniums melting point celsius problems boiler steel temperature metal attacked steam corrode verry fast cooled reactors temperatures celsius experimental personaly nuclear waste dose accumulate years today mrem year mrem mrem accumulates years mrem interested glowing night children heads point view christian reisel student electronic sciences christian reisel goldammerweg buebingen germany voice email pubkey begin 
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adcom cheap products organization rhodes university grahamstown south africa newsreader version lines aaron lung alung wrote sceptical amps built east components designed easily amplifiers sound brilliant good point surprised components shore inferior quality long properly designed robust premium components matter assembled definately agree wholeheartedly build labour expensive afford decent components effort improve design amplifier adcom people amplifier quality components inside runs fairly sound incredibly good runs bearing sound running class wary excessively amps cauz components inside rated excessive heat dramatically shorten life electronic component quality fact touch engineer manufacturer wanted skimp heatsinking cooling save costs hmm imply heat generated sounds good adcom runs fairly warm touch satisfy running nicely runs dead cold makes heatsinks adcom amps skimpy massive things heating vents carry excessive heat opinions alan webber webb webb path tread narrow drop sheer high ravens watching vantage point apprehension creeping choo train spine tightrope reach final couplet rhyme 
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motorola keywords motorola problems exception nntp posting host prawn organization imperial college science technology medicine london england lines article stich christian writes installed motorola amiga board capability clock separately previously installed working perfectly systems displays yellow screen indicating exception check presence type reinstall system works fine work designer board mentioned putting pullup resistor data strobe change suggestions communications problem chip dead pull place bought sending thought labeled finalized mask design christian changed crystal clocks work conrad 
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differential mode work summary explaination dgps system keywords differential navigation radio organization applied physics laboratory lines understand boxes option differential ready apparently land based beacons tranmit correction information receiver differential option installed system work frequency land based beacons advance charlie thompson rough sketch system works reference station position computes errors incoming signals errors factors including atmospheric distortion selective availability time dithering reference unit complex computational equipment back errors position transmits corrections broadcast number local receivers receivers nearby satellites reference unit errors similar reference unit receiver unit receiver unit apply corrections calculated reference unit coast guard installing series coastline transmitters differential stations existing radio towers frequency approximately private corporations offering dgps signals frequencies pinpoint offers correction signals receiver units broadcast system stations correction codes transmitted rtcm format advertised accuracies espouse meter errors john baker opinions johns hopkins university applied physics laboratory laurel bakerjp jhuapl 
applications electronics originator mjhill ncsu reply mjhill ncsu michael james hill organization north carolina state university project lines information applications electronics electronics applications interesting stuff intrested hearing 
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motorola organization university houston lines distribution world nntp posting host rosie keywords motorola problems exception news software vnews article stich christian writes installed motorola amiga board capability clock separately previously installed working perfectly systems displays yellow screen indicating exception check presence type reinstall system works fine work designer board mentioned putting pullup resistor data strobe change suggestions communications problem chip dead pull place bought sending thought labeled finalized mask design christian appears problem related fast clean signal transitions email vielen dank thomas stating motorola solution problem manual manual predates find email specifics christian 
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motorola organization toronto zoology lines article sgberg bloomington stefan berg writes original label work fine system experimental chip motorola chip rule designations means works datasheet book specifies means bugs small obscure practice motorola admits unlike companies work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
mysterious mosfet organization engineering services clemson university lines article kludge larc nasa scott dorsey writes mosfet pulled trygon power supply manual motorola part date code number motorola folks assure house number suggestions folks curve tracer equivalent completely shot scott mosfet vintage good today standards idea voltage current ratings replacing specs early mosfets gate source voltage rating approximately vdcmax turn completely mosfets mysterious voltage controlled current sources mosfet circuit open loop voltage controlled current source experiment gain altering techniques bill willis willisw clemson 
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microcontroller organization nasa msfc lines mcole cole writes experiment intel family good sites compiliers assemblers lyman ppl brian bday msfc nasa technology mission software development division opinions 
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pinout needed reply jott john organization univ notre dame lines article segal gary segal writes recently picked display chips find information longer made data book appears matrix display capable showing digit package pins present information part pinout power requirments functions send mail gary segal motorola segal rtsg cellular infrastructure division standing gaze wind function supply voltage latch data input latch data input left decimal point cathode latch strobe input omitted common blanking input omitted decimal point cathode omitted latch data input latch data input logic supply voltage latch strobe input data latches follow data latch data inputs high data latches change display blanked restored enable input high previous character displayed blanking input high display blanked levels inputs character displayed determined data latches blanking input pulsed intensity modulation latch data inputs pins data inputs entered latches enable input binary weights inputs decimal point cathodes pins leds connected logic chip decimal point external resistor current limiting mechanism connected series supply connection permits user save regulated current separate supply externally connected logic supply logic supply separate connection logic chip common ground vegative termnal logic currents decimal points john jott helios 
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source radio shack stereo chip nntp posting host ucalgary organization university calgary lines week asked homemade working drive turns channel testing burned channel works fine amplifier chip local radio shack longer carries components chip labelled source bill morrow clinical neurosciences university calgary mail morrow ucalgary voice hospital drive calgary alberta canada 
construct home built battery grade report nntp posting host reply msunde organization university kentucky dept math sciences distribution lines article borowski borowski writes dean anneser anneser uucp wrote signed science report batteries wondering provide information construct home built battery grade school days remember snip mentioned grab lemon potatoes work strip copper strip zinc metal hardware store hobby shop stick strips lemon touch measurable voltage lemon recall hook things appreciable amount current mondo internal resistance demo tiny mark underwood student university kentucky assistant boyd hall microlab tiny division library microlabs mail msunde 
pinouts dtmf decoder chip nntp posting host bopper organization motorola computer group tempe distribution lines article mont mont pierce writes bought chip suncoast technology build dtmf decoder circuit working pinouts possibly voltage specs appreciated presume teltone corporation description input input gain select feed back resistor vref reference voltage output connect connect clock input clock output connect crystal pins output enable logic high data output data output data output data output data output delayed steering output company call data valid early steering output sort starting hear tone steering input guard time output power supply current bought motorola part stock john email snail mail copy spec sheet chip email advance mont pierce call internet mont bands vnet mont modes 
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specs eprom data formats nntp posting host lanai ucla organization ucla computer science department lines specs eprom data formats intel motorola jedec provide info pointer intel mike 
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radar detector detectors organization lockheed sanders newsreader version distribution lines brian bday msfc nasa wrote december illegal operate radar detector state virginia caught fined federal communications made legal operate radio receiver kind frequency including bands united states electronic communications privacy restricted making illegal receive land mobile telephone service including cellular phones restriction receiving radar curiously cordless phones enforcement virginia violation lots time money lawyer argue federal court overturned wait responses lockheed sanders disagree solely opinions scott babb babb sanders lockheed inherit earth parents borrowing children 
building flashlight organization panix public access unix lines sounds crazy call urge call build flashlight cheaply flashlight means portable power pack main question bulb bulbs power concerned long wave short wave cheap source bulbs thing friend mine mentioned light cheaper actual light referring john hawkinson jhawk 
circuit cellar address organization university washington seattle lines distribution nntp posting host hardy washington summary address phone number subscriptions published address 
radar detector detectors organization john robarts research institute london ontario distribution nntp posting host valve heart lines article babb sanders lockheed scott babb writes federal communications made legal operate radio receiver kind frequency including bands united states electronic communications privacy restricted making illegal receive land mobile telephone service including cellular phones illegal receive land mobile telephone service mobile reciever land mobile telephone service ship shore telephone service restriction receiving radar curiously cordless phones enforcement virginia violation isin kind rule regulation juristictions prohibit police band recievers vehicles radar transmissions included police band covered regulation 
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motorola organization megatest corporation lines article henry toronto henry spencer writes article sgberg bloomington stefan berg writes original label work fine system experimental chip motorola chip rule designations means works datasheet book specifies means bugs small obscure practice units production sample devices distributed evaluation freebies guaranteed meet spec motorola admits unlike companies thing motorola aaron 
microcontroller organization netcom online communication services guest lines article bday msfc nasa brian writes mcole cole writes experiment intel family good sites compiliers assemblers lyman ppl great site complete shadow signetics directory brian mont pierce call internet mont bands vnet mont modes 
exploding nntp posting host engr engr uark organization university arkansas lines thought possibly fact emerson emerson series returned times problems tired taking back fixed window audio fine tuning mart associate returned defective single reliability face emerson make audio stuff albeit premium quality make complex video equipment reliability imho flames share emerson disaster light exploding plage caffine present error uark message printed abort retry fail recycled electricity tangerine 
find number phone line organization mind link british columbia canada lines joseph mich krzeszewsk writes posted worcester polytechnic institute posting subject texas corpus christi pick phone dial phone company read number phone back service department make repairing correct lines open junction boxes work give good luck live bctel number dial result sean oliver internet address mindlink 
oscilloscope sale organization netcom line communication services guest lines giving hardware design selling oscilloscope precision model dual trace barely firm sells prefer people silicon valley ship mtrek 
info secs pspice models keywords audio amps nntp posting host msstate organization mississippi state university lines electronic engineering student electronic belt find needing build moderate wattage audio throw couple question vast knowledge explain watts calculated audio circuits relates current gain voltage gain power gain wonderful cheap schematic cross improve circuit problem parts list amplifiers packages heatsink schematic published existant replacement latest digi found listed closes figure ideas thought pspice simulation opamp models great worked guess made high power amps result voltage gain worse started pspice file cheap good gain models chips listed mail ascii chip info send open suggestions ideas comments mail time search news post interest john majors atari john zitterkopf rules msstate bitnet zitt msstate 
radar detector detectors organization toronto zoology lines article wlsmith heart wayne smith writes restriction receiving radar curiously cordless phones enforcement virginia violation isin kind rule regulation juristictions prohibit police band recievers vehicles radar transmissions included police band covered regulation rules regulations laws subject attack attempting preempt federal authority regulate radio communications original poster noted court challenges kind expensive work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
power signal surges home organization informix software lines gstovall nosubdomain nodomain greg stovall writes weekend resting sofa chores noticed briefly picked sounded radio traffic stereo television touch sensitive lights house start wacko cycling brightness states presume operator illegal amplifier drove past house live busy thoroughfare correct presumption kind power putting effects affected equipment feet road hams legally watts running kind power rigs cars watts watt radio interference consumer electronic feet stereos vcrs poor shielding experience problem frequently caused cber radio operator base station nearby interference caused radio transmitter purposes police fire heard voices stereo correct assuming source transmitter frequent trouble ferrite chokes radio shack interference picked speaker wires chokes installed wires easily cutting good instructions included chokes solve problem search neighborhood radio operator antennas roof talk problem things radio operator reduce interference randall rhea informix software project manager sales marketing systems uunet pyramid infmx randall 
series originator news nntp posting host elan princeton organization princeton university lines amps diagram sony receivers amazed find difference canadian model capacitor hangs output speakers speaker identical models idnetical models canadian model model world wide model candian model gound board identical room caps versions places make sense essentially caps standard caps special type precision explain michael golan princeton 
finding switch settings jumper settings motherboard keywords jumper settings switch settings computer organization national federation blind california lines motherboard phoenix bios board controller port board serial ports manual beast able disable controller order controller board made korea chips chipset give clue configuring board controller finding greatly appreciated advance assistance mail buhrow responses news feed tenuous brian 
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wanted summary decoders organization university canberra lines decoder demultiplexer link output circuit link make multiplexer lame question newbie electronics circuit make mail droolproof taro ogawa canberra 
advice needed organization macquarie university lines distribution world nntp posting host macadam mpce world meter change ranges turn lead stuck amps jack clever plastic detailing care make world safer electricans meter wrong range live circuit dozen times bill bills bison inquiring mind winnipeg manitoba fluke beeps current measuring range lead plugged current sense socket solve problem noisy environment johnh electronics department school mpce macquarie university sydney australia email johnh 
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control software lines nntp posting host organization nanyang technological university singapore microcontroller external eprom order drive motor direction pulse width modultion software control assembly language programming afraid overheads alter pulse timing question software control reliable understand port latch vary duty cycle setting high desire duty cycle improments 
electronics dept info austrailia matgbb latrobe byrnes graham organization trobe university reply hjkim pusan message news reader news lines hjkim pusan writes netters list universities austrailia electronics department spend year research austrailia communication area interested mobile communication areas spread spectrum communications information austrailian universities recommend good university communication area comments welcomed jaehyung honestly good indifferent electronics dept trobe trobe university bundoora australia chairman prof white email address graham 
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digital answering mach keywords digital nntp posting host hacke dtek chalmers organization chalmers university technology gothenburg sweden lines chips chips telecommunications greatly information price pinouts peripherals henrik bohre 
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homemade projector automation organization ohio state university dept computer info science lines distribution nntp posting host tomato ohio state assistant manager local theater columbus expand show automation capability tapes bring houselights current automation consoles date early provide function combo failsafe contact rollers read cuetapes dimmer system raise houselights fade control circuit momentarily closed wiring dimmer control relay activated tape completes circuit tech simple problem order pulse load cuetape film runs feet minute pulse inches solid cuetape ideally single cross accomplish function single strip cuetape perpendicular length film give pulse approximately circuit detect short activate relay ability adjust long relay activated nice figure require circuit sort solution figured heads suggestions schematics appreciated mark fontana arts cinema mark fontana important computer information science lenin ohio state university 
cicuit cellar extras trade nntp posting host organization washington university louis lines article babb sdsu babb writes fellow info junkies extra real time programming embedded sensors storage extra voice control telescope articles labels torn missing pages trade condition labels mail mine mail mutual trust kinda thang throw jeff babb babb sdsu complete collection extra communications applications arts mint condition trade david david prutchi washington university campus brookings drive louis 
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nntp posting host bcarhdd organization bell northern research ottawa canada newsreader version lines marrevola wrote article moffatt john thomson writes joseph chiu josephc caltech wrote measure current named company amphenol company companies revolutionized electronics simulatenously realizing performance connectors sockets affected amount current running wires unit current ampere french named ampere studied electrical current term abbreviation company ampere unit ohmite company characterize resistances numbers ohms sound joking entire internet flaming remember ohmite company introducing pink colored resistor electronics working females manuel arrevola velasco true mail manolo fundesco flame half asleep posted response joseph greggo greg moffatt moffatt bell northern research ottawa canada opinions 
radar detector detectors distribution nntp posting host shine mentorg organization mentor graphics keywords lines article wlsmith heart wayne smith writes article babb sanders lockheed scott babb writes restriction receiving radar curiously cordless phones enforcement virginia violation isin kind rule regulation juristictions prohibit police band recievers vehicles radar transmissions included police band covered regulation police band thing radar detectors work shared bands applied test radar operated door openers malls illegal great problems educated read illiterate people making laws subjects incompetent laws refereing police bands local scope state county created meaning incompetent idiots unfortunaltely laws enforceable lawmakers exist pass laws continue faced death amputation limbs choice note smiley philip 
angeles freeway traffic reports nntp posting host hprtnyc organization hewlett packard newsreader version lines driving middle picked knbr clear channel station based angeles claiming able traffic flow information thousands traffic sensors caltrans pavement caltrans sell info knbr exclusive deal doug commuter claar 
suggestions audio relays organization malaspina college lines article alung aaron lung writes article billq billy quinn writes built project radio shack relays switch audio pretty clicks thing switched common things supposed relays clicks question good relay relay circuit switching audio noise kind audio lines advice references advice exact part numbers company names relays switching high level signals level signals level signals clicks mentioning clack switches refering contact bounce driving relays gate output switching transistor relays connected driving specifics answer question general rule relay cleanly switch audio tranfer circuit contacts noise hear momentary opening closing path noiseless transfering audio ground circuit high impedance audio circuits resistive constructed close characteristic impedance circuit grounding imputs connected transfers audio impedance circuits transformers inputs shorted grounded secondaries paralleled characteristic impedance switch audio contact momentarily short circuit output duration switching time telephone relays handy contacts adjusted make break vica versa years nowadys switching electronically amps circuit build primitive optical isolator consists resistive photocell lamp packaged tube lamp cell high resistance turn lamp resistance lowers passing audio device switches audio varying lamp resistance give remote volume control variable resisters mixer lots luck wagner audio visual technician malaspina college nanaimo british columbia callsign weapon kentucky rifle snail mail site nanaimo british columbia canada recyle standard disclaimers apply 
correction followup relays organization malaspina college lines article wagner wagner wizzard audio visual equipment nanaimo campus writes article alung aaron lung writes article billq billy quinn writes built project radio shack relays switch audio pretty clicks thing switched common things supposed relays clicks question good relay relay circuit switching audio noise kind audio lines advice references advice exact part numbers company names relays switching high level signals level signals level signals clicks mentioning clack switches refering contact bounce driving relays gate output switching transistor relays connected driving specifics answer question general rule relay cleanly switch audio tranfer circuit contacts noise hear momentary opening closing path noiseless transfering audio ground circuit high impedance audio circuits resistive constructed close characteristic impedance circuit grounding imputs connected transfers audio impedance circuits transformers inputs shorted grounded secondaries paralleled characteristic impedance switch audio contact momentarily short circuit output duration switching time telephone relays handy contacts adjusted make break vica versa years nowadys switching electronically amps circuit build primitive optical isolator consists resistive photocell lamp packaged tube lamp cell high resistance turn lamp resistance lowers passing audio device switches audio varying lamp resistance give remote volume control variable resisters mixer lots luck wagner audio visual technician malaspina college nanaimo british columbia callsign weapon kentucky rifle snail mail site nanaimo british columbia canada recyle standard disclaimers apply wagner audio visual technician malaspina college nanaimo british columbia callsign weapon kentucky rifle snail mail site nanaimo british columbia canada recyle standard disclaimers apply 
correction audio relay followup organization malaspina college lines gremilins attacked keyboard correction followup audio relays fouled varying lamp resistance read varying lamp voltage wagner audio visual technician malaspina college nanaimo british columbia callsign weapon kentucky rifle snail mail site nanaimo british columbia canada recyle standard disclaimers apply 
building flashlight nntp posting host aisun organization programs university georgia athens lines putting heavy filter deep purple front ordinary flashlight bulb brightest father setup enforcement work circa good blacklight bulbs work fluorescent bulbs proceed cheap battery powered fluorescent light electrical supply house finding bulb michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio 
telephone controlled power needed organization netcom online communication services guest lines similar idea answering machine switch machines line order distinctive ringing phone company month unpublished phone number calls number phone rings short rings long rings answering machine rings rings give device measure length rings detects short ring turns answering machine rings picks call cheaper elegant switches giving friends customers leave telemarketers pick phone hear long rings thoughts susannah martin hanged witchcraft thomas david kehoe kehoe 
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advice needed organization northeastern ohio universities college medicine lines fluke work years wonderful meter colleagues newer fluke meters hang digial analog simpson analog extended frequency response nifty shaped meter made soar toolbox home years replaced batteries couple timees adequate hobby soar oems stuff number vendors microdevices stuff similar soar bill mayhew neoucom computer services department rootstown phone neoucom 
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nntp posting host sauron msfc nasa organization nasa msfc newsreader version lines awhile back posted information kits build remember interested info advance eric cantrell msfc nasa 
radar detector detectors organization joke lines nntp posting host thing utexas illegal eavedropped business illegal jurisdictions radar detectors police monitors essentially making claim reason radar detector police radio monitor results fighting claims courts mixed federal courts anxious intervene state courts held feds exclusive jurisdiction state courts imagination radar detector avoiding enforcement action speeding radar detector guarrantees instructions explanations detritus invitation join association dedicated preserving radar detector promise making radar detector manufacturers making headway courtrooms police departments enforced speed laws strict public safety blind fund raiser aspect tickets mike coyne 
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video detection circuit organization systems software lines build circuit detects presence video blank screen monitoring outputs graphics card able detect presence single pixel detecting pulse able difference blank screen screen cheap circuit dismal failure compariators compariator input guns input reference created voltage divider potentiometer problem compariator slow needed pixels fire compariators screen full text circuit detect problem noise reference smallest difference blank screen screen fact difference completely black completely white wondering amplify video signals make work faster compariators expensive require split supplies replace quad compariator compariators create power supply circuit point sort transistor circuit transistors fast cheap trick league designing transistor circuits appealing ideas tips circuits pointers references greatly appreciated sample output thing fast response time found advantage fact able give undying gratitude steve verity steve verity maxed midi verity 
long distance detection content type text plain charset nntp posting host stan content transfer encoding organization defence research establishment suffield newssoftware beta michael smith mike schwartz mime version lines able detect angular position accuracy emitting source distance meters daylight source emitting signature leaning square wave duty cycle quadrant detector centronic give information tilt head point sensor determine angles source wazing heck possibly optek motorola mled wazing current pulses current duty cycle drops cycle turn required stan burton crad dres agcg sburton suffield medicine canada 
power signal surges home reply randall message organization open software foundation lines article randall randall rhea writes gstovall nosubdomain nodomain greg stovall writes weekend resting sofa chores noticed briefly picked sounded radio traffic stereo television touch sensitive lights house start wacko cycling brightness states presume operator illegal amplifier drove past house live busy thoroughfare correct presumption kind power putting effects affected equipment feet road hams illegal dirty hams legally watts running kind power rigs alternator amplifier slow downgrade push talk button cars watts watt radio interference consumer electronic feet stereos vcrs poor shielding experience problem frequently caused cber radio operator base station nearby interference caused radio transmitter purposes police fire heard voices stereo correct assuming source transmitter frequent trouble ferrite chokes radio shack interference picked speaker wires chokes installed wires easily cutting good instructions included chokes solve problem search neighborhood radio operator antennas roof talk problem things radio operator reduce interference remember friendly approaching local radio operator person troubles cooperation assume helpful amazing accusations dealt grew blamed skip ghost pictures occur sunspot peaks interferance dead grass local operator directly responsible part good neighbor views require consumer equipment makers precautions radio operators required declare call sign minutes hear call starting total characters heard sign required fire police private douglas rand motif snail cambridge center cambridge disclaimer agrees vote amateur radio 
laser bubblejet organization lehigh university lines place post noticing current bubblejet printers offers resolution lower laser printers offer laser printers significantly pricier bubblejets missing resolution thing sheng eecs lehigh lehigh 
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make short summary short production homemade music keywords mastering pressing homebrew short music lines organization wits university electrical engineering able bunch home made songs suitable master output short standard music recorders designed writeable roms work purpose alternatively service sort thing information alternatives cost lead time equipment required procedure follow email replies appreciated geva patz geva department computer science wits university geva wits 
disks copy protected originator sehari ecss iastate organization iowa state university science technology ames iowa lines wondering copy protection techniques avaliable effective experience area highest babak sehari 
info wanted nntp posting host dali ilmenau reply jung ilmenau dirk junghanns organization technische universitaet ilmenau lines informations chips pckg build multifunction card dirk dirk junghanns junghanns ilmenau 
power signal surges home nntp posting host chip reply vanderby david vanderbyl organization teltech lines drand douglas rand writes hams legally watts running kind power alternator amplifier original poster definately batteries 
pads question schematic organization university illinois urbana lines produced schematic pads logic import pads create pattern work output futurenet netlist import pads information instructions provided missed suggestions greatly appreciated raymond yeung internet nimbus uiuc student university illinois compuserve urbana champaign 
organization stanford university lines components diode digi newark sells minimum order smaller orders diode equivalent replacement transistor ditto transistor chip digi newark mouser carry chip obtain chip yamaha chip decodes pdif data obtain advance 
laser bubblejet organization wisconsin madison college engineering lines article lehigh sheng writes place post noticing current bubblejet printers offers resolution lower laser printers offer laser printers significantly pricier bubblejets missing resolution thing bubblejets splatter laserjets half decent toner microfine stuff produce good output closely laserjet output superior hand laserjets maintained properly cheapest toner owner find produce awful output worse bubblejet thing bubblejets bubblejets bubblejets produce mediocre output dinky bubblejet produce good output deskjets canon produce good style bubblejets joel kolstad market portable bublejet printer highly recommend portable deskjet heard portable canons good needed support deskjet portable undocumented pcmcia card slot 
decoupling caps onboard organization department electrical computer engineering university toronto lines posted friend experience board decoupling capacitors inside cmos chip power lines space left limited design data effect oxide breakdown info pointers appreciated 
nntp posting host organization washington university louis lines article cantrell msfc nasa eric cantrell writes awhile back posted information kits build remember interested info advance eric cantrell msfc nasa contact circuit cellar park suite vernon inquire biofeedback brainwave analyzer addition build system board level compo nents biosignal amplifiers analog isolators isolated multiplexers contact davron group deerfield david david prutchi washington university campus brookings drive louis 
long distance detection nntp posting host organization washington university louis lines article sburton stan burton writes able detect angular position accuracy emitting source distance meters daylight source emitting signature leaning square wave duty cycle quadrant detector centronic give information tilt head point sensor determine angles source wazing heck possibly optek motorola mled wazing current pulses current duty cycle drops cycle turn required stan burton crad dres agcg sburton suffield medicine canada method directly provide information require commonly coordinate measurements human body landmarks selspot system selspot sweden watsmart system lateral photoeffect detectors lindholm oberg woltring marsolais determine position spot light projected camera lens surface escence detector large photodiode cathodes sides square detector crystal single anode back crystal spot light produce currents proportional position spot detector face ascii graphics detector cathodes detect linear position cathode xx xx light xx divider output xx xx xx xx xx xx anode xx cathode light source light position projection circuit level illumina tion divider normalize relative total received power circuit presence sources light tuning sample msec background signal light equal time sample signal separately difference position hamamatsu photonics sells linear lateral photoeffect detectors sell required signal processing electronics ready made systems selspot cheap lindholm oberg optoelectronic instrument remote line movement monitoring biotelemetry woltring marsolais opto electronic selspot gait measure ments dimensional space preliminary report bull pros thetics research technique provide accurate measurement simplicity beats scanning quadrant detector tilt system reach difference david david prutchi washington university campus brookings drive louis 
infra position encoders organization brookhaven national laboratory distribution lines information infra based position encoders idea bounce infrared source wall device read distance preferable addressable leads chris kushmerick kushmer found niche life 
meter radios organization digital equipment corporation lines nntp posting host cimill article peter apana peter tryndoch writes allthe devil reincarnateswr meter radios ssave cdac devil reincarnate organization cdac good choice wave read installation instructions wave antenna suggested tune channel channel minimum reading question channel antenna wave explanation rest makes sense wave cancell beastie common pattern sort cloverleaf main lobes wave antenna wave transmitting uncommon usual rubber duck coil fool quarter wave reccomend arrl antenna handbook good basic book dave pierson facts accurately manage digital equipment corporation opinions bolton stow mass pierson enet read credit written raffles 
info project summary general info building project manipulate music keywords music project nntp posting host bode ualberta organization university alberta edmonton canada lines start project maniplate music stereo cassette chip development compiler equilize music ideally system converters compiler rough estimate cost greately appreciated advance jing chin mail address chin ualberta 
pinout needed organization humber college technology dept lines databook pinouts display supply voltage latch data input latch data input left decimal point cathode latch strobe input omitted common ground blanking input omitted decimal point cathode omitted latch data input latch data input logic supply voltage logic supply voltage supply regulated drivers chip constant current source intensity affected supply voltage kelly gray gray uucp preferred gray humberc 
disks copy protected article reed organization reed college portland oregon lines article sehari babak sehari writes wondering copy protection techniques avaliable effective experience area highest babak sehari number copy protection schemes involve modifying physical media involve encryption schemes existed computing successful time recall monthly releases ways crack copy protection scheme latest releases fact completely secure difficult crack cracked guess question difficult impossible answer good project working secure crack make suggestions assuming activity strictly legal general idea legally tamper copy protection lead corruption files necessarily back copy protected devestating absolutely ideas practical applications curious clear questions incidentally indicative dread watched friends hacking equipment carted feels asked hack area broaching wrought dangers include breaking addressing side matt 
building flashlight nntp posting host betelgeux canterbury organization electrical engineering university canterbury zealand lines jhawk john hawkinson writes main question bulb bulbs power fluorescent tubes find small tube hand held fluoro lanterns thing friend mine mentioned light cheaper actual light referring blue lights ultra violet definition blue spectrum people radio spectrum rays cosmic rays possibly light fringe visibility people false lenses easily lenses soak people things glow blue energetic work worked lecture basic atomic physics fits electron transitions quantum leaps stuff 
power signal surges home organization nasa langley research center reptile farm lines nntp posting host grissom larc nasa article drand douglas rand writes article randall randall rhea writes hams legally watts running kind power rigs alternator amplifier slow downgrade push talk button good friend mine running alternator calls electronic brake engine noticeably slows computer junk hood astonishingly sensitive engine hood open loses timing leaking distributor pickup poor design point radio operators interference detected remember interference wasted power band putting band transmit difference nice card hanging wall cbers helpful illegal cbers stop operation inform problem rest stop operation inform local office problem writing giving details addresses radio operators required declare call sign minutes hear call starting total characters heard sign required fire police private good advice hams frequently give call handle immense amounts profanity time time scott 
digital voltmeter work organization texas university academic computing services lines distribution world nntp posting host sigma tamu news software vnews introduce problem measure sinusoidal wave voltage digital voltmeter mode output peak squared measure square wave mode output equal peak upper flat boundary wave assumed digital voltmeter makes kind integration input divides wave period measure square wave distorted high frequency harmonics ideally output output previous nature output voltmeter measure show related question important advantages disadvantages digital voltmeters compare analog attention mail opinion tamu open discussion alexander mamishev power system automation laboratory phone office department electrical engineering phone home texas university college station internet tamu 
find number phone line organization chalmers university technology lines article sean oliver sean oliver writes joseph mich krzeszewsk writes phone company read number phone live bctel number dial result city number dial areas anders 
disks copy protected lines nntp posting host organization ostfold college article sehari babak sehari writes wondering copy protection techniques avaliable effective experience area highest babak sehari easiest ways copyprotection mark specific sector installation disk easy knowledge hacking normal users lowly punchers hardware popular years stink mail mail gunnarh dhhalden snail mail gunnar horrigmo gunnarh dhhalden oskleiva norway disclaimer posting insignificant rubbish glance read lines surprised discover annals burt bacharach world peace oxford advanced readers dictionary quantum physics made easy easy step step walkthrough make time travelling device works 
building flashlight organization rand lines nntp posting host ives rand article jhawk john hawkinson writes thing friend mine mentioned light cheaper actual light referring semantic argument contrary postings light actual light means close visible spectrum long wavelength figure regular incandenscent flashlight bulbs emit tiny amounts spectrum filter remove visible light create weak source stronger sources require mercury vapor discharge tubes fluorescent tubes phosphor careful strong sources physiological damage eyes shorter wavelengths dangerous project beam flashlight replacing tubes portable fluorescent lantern tubes cheap create portable source bright dangerously hall edhall 
power signal surges home nntp posting host chip reply vanderby david vanderbyl organization teltech lines kludge larc nasa scott dorsey writes computer junk hood astonishingly sensitive engine hood open loses timing leaking distributor pickup poor design news article reporting type volvo found stall brand model cellular phone remember recalled problem hmm possibilities police pursuit vehicle bombard high energy 
wanted organization macquarie university lines distribution world nntp posting host macadam mpce article canberra ogawa taro stephen writes decoder demultiplexer link output circuit link make multiplexer lame question newbie electronics circuit make mail droolproof taro ogawa canberra decoder demultiplexer commercial implementations strictly decoder lines make output change state inputs demux hand control inputs determine outputs reflect state input signal inputs required decoder demux equipped output enable input data input high outputs high selected control inputs output decoder created high order select demuxes enabled achieve output reflecting input bits note method create true demux data input enable line decoder left commit enable lines intended purpose sixteen decoder requires decoders mechanism enable time decoder attached high order bits provide enable lines order bits connected parallel final stage decoders give credit submit homework johnh electronics department school mpce macquarie university sydney australia email johnh 
mosfet organization inquiring mind lines keen area hooking hook stepper line stepper sort curent limmiting circuitry involved small schematic helpfull looked tipc wondering suggested replying message current limiting circuitry mosfets package illustrated schematic replyer request inspiration baden bison baden bison seek baden bari unknown baden bison inquiring mind winnipeg manitoba 
minimal boolean circuit article shelley inndjh distribution organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host carson washington article djimenez utsa daniel jimenez writes suppose boolean function minimal products derived books logic design consulted imply analysis ends factoring term function fewer gates yields gates minimization gates important part timing considerations gate basic structure invert inversion product gate delay reason find minimal products matches hardware optimization positive gate gate solution gate delays gate delay term solution simpler logic symbols expected optimal real world similar support gate minimum delay unlike true inverse outputs free pals basically large programmable invert gates choice internal connections sections latches minimum products shoehorn logic design pals comparably easy design minimization logic gates software packages claim mess gates nodelist series logic produce description logic cell array xilinx xact software treating logic block macro expanding simplifying john whitmore 
integrated type manufac lines nntp posting host essun murdoch chips pref australia address adrian blockley profound environmental science murdoch university western australia blockley murdoch phone 
digital voltmeter work organization hewlett packard lines distribution world nntp posting host hpmvd newsreader version mamishev alexander valentino tamu wrote introduce problem measure sinusoidal wave voltage digital voltmeter mode output peak squared measure square wave mode output equal peak upper flat boundary wave assumed digital voltmeter makes kind integration input divides wave period measure square wave distorted high frequency harmonics ideally output output previous nature output voltmeter measure show readings measuring average voltage input diode rectified measured measures square triangle incorrectly measuring average multipling correction true sine waves vave vrms correct waveform true literally root square calculation analog digital circuitry related question important advantages disadvantages digital voltmeters compare analog significant advantage analog able signal changing time checking electrolytic capacitors anymore bargraphs duplicate attention mail opinion tamu open discussion alexander mamishev power system automation laboratory phone office department electrical engineering phone home texas university college station internet tamu jeff gruszynski semiconductor test equipment systems engineer hewlett packard jeff jeff 
rcade style buttons joysticks organization division academic computing northeastern university boston lines purchase controls found arcade style games projects working greatly augmented implement advance dave dnewman northeastern 
analog switches balanced demodulators distribution organization optilink access products lines article arizona michael fulbright writes build synchronous demodulator snag application able change gain amplifier controlable digital input obvious analog switches adjust gain analog switch experience switch signal positive signals carrier signal varies demodulate input signal feeding input signal gain carrier gain carrier output pass filtered called lock detection synchronous demodulation triple transmission gate analog multiplexer positive negative power supplies single ended supply dual supplies logic inputs range ground volts neat design switchable polarity amplifier input opamp output control analog switch resistors equal analog switch closed inverting gain switch open inverting gain clean circuit trim input offset current hurts balance show carrier feed high frequencies slew rate opamp problems symmetrical paul elliott optilink petaluma uunet pyramid tekbspa optilink elliott elliott indecisive 
public domain software organization world public access unix brookline lines motorola amcu 
disks copy protected originator sehari iastate organization iowa state university science technology ames iowa lines mblock matt block writes article sehari babak sehari writes wondering copy protection techniques avaliable effective experience area highest babak sehari number copy protection schemes involve modifying physical media involve encryption schemes existed computing successful time recall monthly releases ways crack copy protection scheme latest releases fact completely secure difficult crack cracked guess question difficult impossible answer good project working secure crack make suggestions assuming activity strictly legal general idea legally tamper copy protection lead corruption files necessarily back copy protected devestating absolutely ideas practical applications curious clear questions incidentally indicative dread watched friends hacking equipment carted feels asked hack area broaching wrought dangers include breaking addressing side matt written program market degree protection main custmers individuals cooperations laser hole burning method hardware method software cost afford price afford people make copy software guess upto illigal copying copy pctools copy software meant forbid true hackers copying develope program highest babak sehari 
power signal surges home organization bellcore livingston lines article vanderby david vanderbyl writes kludge larc nasa scott dorsey writes computer junk hood astonishingly sensitive hmm possibilities police pursuit vehicle bombard high energy cops buying antique muscle cars chase cars police cars attention large animal elephant bureaucracy helps george patterson part feels pain full attention kelvin throop 
building flashlight organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex newsreader version john hawkinson jhawk wrote sounds crazy call urge call build flashlight cheaply flashlight means portable power pack main question bulb bulbs power concerned long wave short wave cheap source bulbs check medical supply catalog thing called woods lamp check woods sign skin conditions flourecse light disposable penlight types larger powered types examinations flourescent introduced surface shined shows scratches abrasions difficult detect completest called flouescien normal light appears orangish leaves mild burning sensation minutes tears flush dale farmer 
negative logic high summary distribution world organization memphis state university lines sound simple minded question time designing simple chip circuits based things photoresistors light photoresistor emit logic high servos lying wanted things digital logic pulse signal problem assuming negative negative logic high thing turn direction opposite direction turn normal logic high negative logic high schematics thing active polar power source negative logic high thing signals logic high logic negative logic high greatly appreciated reply email time read group mark umlangston memst 
adcom sensor repeater spec organization computing services division university wisconsin milwaukee lines nntp posting host article johnr john rasper writes details interface wire remote sensor wire repeater adcom preamp adcom part numbers cursory physical examination connector connector provide viewed connector front signal ground demodulated signal polarity drive signal drive repeater drives resistor assume repeater connectors mini plugs drive repeater directly true fill scoop home brew receiver working share rest wanted build time fool design signal ground signal volts volts preamp turned infrared repeater connectors infrared repeater jacks back preamp connected inside preamp connector resistor jacks ground signal preamp summed built receiver chip called amplify signal imagine logical duplicate circuit external receiver info randy randyd 
radar detector detectors organization washington university saint louis lines reply wustl nntp posting host fegmania wustl originator brands quieter radar detectors detectable radar detector detectors looked manual yesterday claim undetectable 
compatibility distribution world organization sinh project private uucp site lines article internet surfer writes timing compatible able operate system problems made iheirent handshaking suitable replacement serial card possibly buffered version fixed version possibilities work easiest easy software status register read high line lead trouble instantly stops transmission high means half byte gerrit gerrit heitsch moenchweg holzgerlingen germany logical adresses uucp gerrit stgt fido visited aliens hard explain lifeform intelligent build atomic weapons stupid special space page 
good signals distribution world organization sinh project private uucp site lines article frank holden writes convert voltage levels voltage levels inexpensive nice suggestion digi sells chip number selling converter suggest cheap germany chip converter compatibles expensive paid made harris absolutely compatible gerrit gerrit heitsch moenchweg holzgerlingen germany logical adresses uucp gerrit stgt fido visited aliens hard explain lifeform intelligent build atomic weapons stupid special space page 
electronic parts organization panix public access unix lines fritzm fritz mueller writes moved wondered electronics hackers point places sell individual electronic components switches pots transformers caps cables chips reciept cables chips fulton street south street seaport wall street phone ordering exact good chance screw pretty good deliver cheers robert voice adventure step email rmah moment challenge 
electronic parts organization panix public access unix lines moved wondered electronics hackers point places sell individual electronic components switches pots transformers caps transistors radio shack count selection prices outrageous interest audio components amplifier power mosfets output transformers tubes tube sockets pots faders checked street canal street luck missing places wrong place resort mail order advance fritzm 
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disks copy protected organization wisconsin madison college engineering lines article sehari babak sehari writes written program market degree protection main custmers individuals cooperations laser hole burning method hardware method software cost afford price afford people make copy software guess upto illigal copying copy pctools copy software meant forbid true hackers copying develope program bother copy protection program good pirates stripped protection distributing stripped version week hardware methods prevent random loser copy pirate software stop people connections real pirates able defeat check hole code price software depending higher price change turn potentials buyers tolerate pirates numbers change price pirating figure pirates thing pirated software count joel kolstad assume talking software talking unix obscure copy protection slightly viable alternative 
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electronics dept info austrailia organization university western australia lines nntp posting host mackerel hjkim pusan hojoong writes netters list universities austrailia electronics department spend year research austrailia communication area interested mobile communication areas spread spectrum communications information austrailian universities recommend good university communication area comments welcomed suggest university western australia perth weathers great people great electronic engineering department great year student projects good reputation fields communications heard qpsx people indication department information email yianni request able info write department electrical electronic engineering university western australia stirling highway crawley western australia australia mark mtearle mark tearle email mtearle 
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atari processors organization aiken computation harvard university lines article writes processor atari outs atari schematics idea find related information impor tant chips rthe games propreitary email responces important million works worked atari email thatnks alot peter atari entire line computers game machine extra asic chips basically modified graphics chips joysticks model incorporated chips asci weight machines part count decreased years additionally games idea work hazard guess hacking computers occasionally hacking fixing monitor composite video audio hookups tryed make cartridge system stored cartridge loaded prior time backup cartridges heard setup games bought cheaply recorded tapes load special cartidge play interested equipment machines composite modified lotsa cartridges sell reasonable offer shipping handling play anymore computers nintendo interested hope helps question grab play microcontrollers shishin squish yamada squish harvard 
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angeles freeway traffic reports nntp posting host hpfcmgw organization hewlett packard fort collins site newsreader version lines driving middle picked knbr clear channel station based angeles claiming able traffic flow information thousands traffic sensors caltrans pavement caltrans sell info knbr exclusive deal doug commuter claar time listen evenings colorado kind driving country listening traffic jams back original question sensors past ramp ramp freeways sensors stoplights coils pavement give caltrans call bill keene traffic reporter doubt information worth case charlie brett commuter collins 
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laser bubblejet organization northeastern ohio universities college medicine lines actual horizontal placement resoution deskjet inch electronics dynamics cartridge limit generating dots inch paper wicks inch method depositing fusing toner laster printer results spread drop technology investigation mechanical electronic complement laser printer complex inexpensive printers recall laser printers offer higher throughput laser versus printer cost consumables life printer page yield toner cartridge discount high capacity page yield cartridges discount life cycle printer consumables laser printers printers progressively closer technologies laser printers desinged higher duty cycles pages month longer product replacement cycles bill mayhew neoucom computer services department rootstown phone neoucom 
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disks copy protected organization northeastern ohio universities college medicine lines write good manual software hassle photocopying manual offset simplicity purchasing package offering inexpensive attractive perc registered users instance coffee produce mail incentive couple dollars pricing product lucky instances program licensed users approach estimate loss accomodate price structure hurts legitimate users retailers charge loss shoplifters paying customers software industry product exceptionally unique ostensibly copy proof disk send customers competetion bill mayhew neoucom computer services department rootstown phone neoucom 
floopy drives update organization computing services university warwick lines distribution world nntp posting host clover warwick replied appeal info drive information modify computer change speed change components play section lower data rate kbit kbit designed change recording current data rate speed sort quid quid upwards drive series drive michael brown csulo warwick warwick lost interest lost apathy 
disks copy protected lines nntp posting host hengill ketil ketil albertsen writes interpret offer volunteer editor copy protection welcoming initiative volunteer questions provide answers question answer copyprotect program wrote wise copyprotect program people cracked copy program length crack program crackers good common tricks copy protection stop legitimate users copy protection hassle legitimate users hinder work expecially item lost copy protection legitimate users make life misery opinion speak legitimate user free opinion subject einari 
long distance detection organization university western london nntp posting host hydra lines article sburton stan burton writes able detect angular position accuracy emitting source distance meters daylight source emitting signature leaning square wave duty cycle quadrant detector centronic give information tilt head point sensor determine angles source wazing heck possibly optek motorola mled wazing current pulses current duty cycle drops cycle turn required flip flop receiving divide give good square signal thought lori stan burton crad dres agcg sburton suffield medicine canada lori gardi dept astronomy lgardi university western ontario london canada 
wireless data transfer organization michigan state university college veterinary medicine lines nntp posting host inst involved michigan company application requiring wireless data transfer expertise information assist project contact internet leblanc 
oversampling player keywords oversampling digitized audio organization rain productions lines bought portable player office notice proudly proclaims times oversampling understand oversampling rate discrete samples exceeds highest frequency component interest factor understand times business bought player years specs times senile good player samples higher rate wanted fidelity higher rate sampling recording process wrong interpreting sampling rate player point view thing data rate stream coming optical medium data rate related rotational speed disk changed confused cliff clifford bowman russellville pretty world fair worse 
angeles freeway traffic reports organization rand lines nntp posting host ives rand article charlie brett writes driving middle picked clear channel station based angeles claiming able traffic flow information thousands traffic sensors caltrans pavement caltrans sell info exclusive deal claim radio broadcaster information city cable channel cablevision areas shows information travel times major freeways covered computer generated shows green yellow flashing incident speeds memory display morning fight traffic sepulveda pass work home wait clear poster explained origin information sensors embedded wire loops pavement ramps half mile caltrans board driven data traffic control center time selling data equipment transmission display hall edhall 
construct home built battery grade report keywords grade science report nntp posting host fireflare organization propulsion laboratory nasa distribution lines article mcovingt michael covington writes dissimilar metals electrically conductive liquid copper zinc coca cola copper galvanized steel nails lemon expect power easily detectable voltmeter michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio copper zinc potato work nice 
volt battery keywords capacitive discharge organization university illinois urbana lines small battery powered voltage capacitive discharge supply deliver joules volts implies built satisfactorily operating version idea single source part ubiquitous camera flash circuit mine breaking receiving circuit description source looked electronics circuits handbooks avail martin johnson martyj mind business coin 
arcade style buttons joysticks reply andrew macrae organization microsystems mountain view lines nntp posting host grendal corp article dnewman northeastern david newman writes purchase controls found arcade style games projects working greatly augmented implement advance controls chicago sells remember suburb prices pretty reasonable easy hook bought coin mechanism couple years andrew macrae 
suggestions audio relays organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host carson washington article billq billy quinn writes built project radio shack relays switch audio pretty clicks thing switched good relay relay circuit switching audio noise kind audio lines relays transient abruptly turn channel hear transient device photoresistor output optoisolator usual sort thing gently mute signal switch remove power lamp optoisolator standard practice employ photoresistors switching audio photoresistor time delay thousandths noise digital side drives lamp contaminating audio devices cheaper relays john whitmore 
radar detector detectors article shelley cucinnham distribution organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host carson washington article babb sanders lockheed scott babb writes brian bday msfc nasa wrote december illegal operate radar detector state virginia caught fined federal communications made legal operate radio receiver kind frequency including bands united states commonwealth virginia butted issue grounds claim matter traffic safety allowed functioning radar detector dashboard operating motor vehicle argument bogus successfully challenged court john whitmore 
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oversampling player organization wisconsin madison college engineering keywords oversampling digitized audio lines article bowman writes bought portable player office notice proudly proclaims times oversampling understand oversampling rate discrete samples exceeds highest frequency component interest factor understand times business bought player years specs times senile good player samples higher rate wanted fidelity higher rate sampling recording process wrong interpreting sampling rate player point view thing data rate stream coming optical medium data rate related rotational speed disk changed note figure stuff month people wrong data read barring mistracks eventually turned channel data oversampling takes discrete data points interpolates points times oversampling asked people interpolation simply linear interpolation significantly complicated purpose oversampling move effective sampling rate times order higher frequency antialiasing filters quality filter higher oversampling lets build cheaper filters price filter higher oversamplings lets build filters assuming quality components player remained oversampling manufacturer produce slightly sound anti alias filtering joel kolstad 
suggestions audio relays nntp posting host storm cfnr colostate organization colorado concert sound lines article wagner wagner wizzard audio visual equipment nanaimo campus writes article alung aaron lung writes article billq billy quinn writes built project radio shack relays switch audio pretty clicks thing switched question good relay relay circuit switching audio noise kind audio lines switching high level signals level signals circuit build primitive optical isolator consists resistive photocell lamp packaged tube lamp cell high resistance turn lamp resistance lowers optoisolater switch microphone level signals click distortion measurement level line level series balanced line hums pops audio jumping silence runs million ohms dark drops ohms works works galen watts 
disks copy protected nntp posting host silene organization institut imag grenoble france lines article ketil ketil albertsen writes article mblock matt block writes guess question difficult impossible answer good project working secure crack make suggestions assuming activity strictly legal general idea legally tamper copy protection lead corruption files necessarily back copy protected devestating absolutely ideas practical applications curious clear questions interpret offer volunteer editor copy protection welcoming initiative volunteer questions provide answers ketil albertsen stop encouraging copy protection serves pose honest buyer making legal backup copies stop pirates protect soft supply good documentation support imho effectively tecting software arno arno schaefer ensimag annee email schaefer imag paranoid world 
arcade style buttons joysticks organization university stellenbosch lines article dnewman northeastern david newman writes subject arcade style buttons joysticks purchase controls found arcade style games projects working common joystick found computer shops gerrit 
beginner distribution nntp posting host storm cfnr colostate organization college natural resources colo state univ lines article klink steven klinkner writes recommend good application oriented beginner reference circuits steve klinkner bell labs arrl handbook radio amateur solid state design radio amateur handbook solid state arrl main newington able find electronics amateur radio stores arrl shipping good luck galen watts 
public domain software organization computer science department rose hulman lines nntp posting host nextwork rose hulman keywords article writes site find public domain software motorola microprocessor basic interpreter compilier compiler advance murashie oakland couple things msdos emulators file index list lige 
seeking info wear monitors posted internews organization dartmouth college hanover lines dartmouth engineering students documented data wear turning monitor relates power consumption interested comparison wear monitor left continuously turned personalize mail stern oliver weir 
disks copy protected nntp posting host organization ericsson network systems disclaimer article posted user ericsson opinions expressed strictly user necessarily ericsson lines article neoucom bill mayhew writes neoucom bill mayhew subject disks copy protected date write good manual software hassle photocopying manual offset simplicity purchasing package offering inexpensive attractive perc registered users instance coffee produce mail incentive couple dollars pricing product documentation program shareware similar approach send money documentation free upgrade latest version support small degree offer circulating version lucky instances program licensed users figure approach estimate loss accomodate price structure hurts legitimate users hurt legit users shareware cheaper alternatives visit sounding board wildcat obdis opinions specifically disclaimed responsible patrick taylor ericsson network systems exuptr ericsson fool 
simms organization computer science department rose hulman lines nntp posting host nextwork rose hulman article jhaines seas upenn jason haines writes wondering people good simms bunch apple lots people sell interest inovative simms give bucks 
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beginner organization bell laboratories distribution lines recommend good application oriented beginner reference circuits pretty good theory types modulation practical experience book detailing working circuits types modulation power frequency legal cetera helpful steve klinkner bell labs boeing 
uart needed organization ames laboratory lines find uart interface baud data bits stop bits parity ability break detect output character received dallas clone break detect looked appriciated 
eico tube tester repairs reply futserv austin organization coporation advanced workstations systems lines good luck obtain eico dynamic conductance tube tester song thing wrong open meter movement find meter movement dead meter dead unit schematics current scale meter movement paste sensitive movement find full scale current eico contactable thing model nope joke sort snide reference 
pads question schematic organization comp center stuttgart lines nntp posting host izfm stuttgart article uiuc tall cool writes produced schematic pads logic import pads create pattern work output futurenet netlist import pads information instructions provided missed suggestions greatly appreciated german hope understand uebertragung schaltplan daten board daten pads logic reports list select pads list output file filename angeben pads ascii ascii input file filename angeben errors aoutput file filename angeben nicht jetzt sind alle bauteile einem haufen muessen move verteilt werden viele gruesse 
series organization toronto zoology lines article princeton michael golan writes board identical room caps versions places make sense essentially caps standard caps special type precision safety issue paranoid areas caps series means short shorts work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
lead acid batteries concrete organization temple university lines nntp posting host astro ocis temple newsreader version wondering thing hope proper place post subject lead acid battery discharge dead totally unuseable stored concrete floor decided bring battery lawn mower motorcycle unheated garage year preserve noticed work terminals shorted asked friend ruins camter ocis temple 
remote control receiver organization purdue university engineering computer network lines carleton marc dion writes project build infra remote control receiver regular vcrs remotes info tips build receiver photo detector wavelength remotes circuit suggestions circuit layout reply group mail link usenet info wavelength primarily find common heard make great deal difference suggestion find brand remote sams photofact find detailed schematics parts list receiver transmitter including carrier freq specs tone decoding specs system duane 
read iscas chicago keywords soccer iscas lines nntp posting host kirk mcgill organization mcgill university macs laboratory montreal canada message interest international symposium circuits systems held chicago checking people interested pickup game soccer hours conference mail philc mcgill bring ball conference avid soccer players pass message chicago conference field hotel play philip crawley 
real time clock standby mode organization toronto zoology lines article mgregory martin john gregory writes trouble obtaining standby current drain real time clock lowest current drain acheive times maximum made reset asserted trlh powerup time made cycle negation stby asserted inputs chip coming standby drain specs cmos chips typically apply inputs pulled good pullup resistors sort thing easily multiply power consumption considerable factor cmos transistors supposed hard work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
membrane keypad custom legend nntp posting host organization texaco lines catalog membrane keypads dunno happened long forget company make legend slip bezel nice priced critters places keypads legend suggestion appreciated larry pyeatt views expressed internet pyeatt employer voice exception 
angeles freeway traffic reports nntp posting host hprtnyc organization hewlett packard newsreader version lines oops knbr frisco doug fran city jack webb told claar 
long distance detection organization purdue university engineering computer network lines sburton stan burton writes able detect angular position accuracy emitting source distance meters daylight source emitting signature leaning square wave duty cycle quadrant detector centronic give information tilt head point sensor determine angles source wazing heck possibly optek motorola mled wazing current pulses current duty cycle drops cycle turn required yeesh nailing irleds suggest mitts siemens irled unit designed current pulses duty cycle output watt real short duty cycle times nice thing cheap mine cents piece irleds outputs watts honest watts book work recall company watter cheap power mamamia pretty watt watt watt device line sell small quan individuals interested find book home pertinent info position detector eltec florida phone number listed etid nice people specialty passive infrared detection devices able curious applications mind device sounds lasertag game carrier signal concept duane 
nswers electronics questions organization engineering services clemson university lines notice electronics questions people tuned electronics simple answers require circuit diagram muck network write send addressed stamped envelop answer questions willis fern circle clemson 
find number phone line reply paula organization northern lights portland lines newsreader zipnews reader mailer beta areas country serviced cess phone paula paula stockholm cumberland maine 
laser bubblejet nntp posting host cunixa columbia reply columbia kimball organization columbia university lines kolstad wisc joel kolstad writes thing bubblejets bubblejets bubblejets produce mediocre output dinky bubblejet produce good output deskjets canon produce good style bubblejets market portable bubblejet printer highly recommend portable deskjet heard portable canons good needed support deskjet portable undocumented pcmcia card slot suggestion portable deskjet deskjet nicest outputs minor loss quality intensive purposes papers letters resumes treat deskjet laser printer closely blurs characters grudge smudge quickly presence moisture waterproof spend laser quality cannon bubblejets nice support drivers popular programs jets deskjet regular accepts xerox paper sheet feeder option cannon bubblejet mind refilling printer cheap fountain deskjets cheap maintain paid bottle expect months kimball work loves printer question netters afraid refill waterproof inks sell supply houses brought bottle waterproof clogged cartridge good waterproof buying refill kits refill cartridge 
program electronics reply paul johnson organization marconi research centre great baddow lines article fculpepp fred culpepper writes making search program decent making schematic drawings program windows program draw diagrams dragging elements screen elements needed diverse vacuum tubes case pins provision adding legends components values words produce quality drawings printout matrix laser printer suggest draw windows micrografx home impressive cost nice clip library facility expand drawings circuit component clip included easily works windows printer driver export embedded postscript files note connected micrografx paul paul johnson ideas marconi research reputable idealist responsible opinions 
constru distribution world organization ozone online operations orleans reply gerald belton gerald belton lines dean anneser anneser uucp wrote signed science report batteries wondering provide information construct home built battery grade school days remember seei cube tray version remember good electrolyte easily obtainable metals advance remember watching wizzard program subject battery constructed program made biggest impression generated power made galvanized bucket zinc copper toilet tank float electrolyte sauerkraut lemon stick copper strip lemon stick galvanized nail inches copper strip volt light slmr support medical examiner strangely ozone hole private bulletin board service full service nodes usrobotics gigs files skydive orleans rime network mail usenet newsgroups route questions inquiries postmaster 
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find numb distribution world organization ozone online operations orleans reply gerald belton gerald belton lines question device find number line response number call return synthesized voice telling number line life remember telephone technicians time play dorm rooms multiple phone lines running rooms post number appears area worth orleans area number easy remember slmr make ozone hole private bulletin board service full service nodes usrobotics gigs files skydive orleans rime network mail usenet newsgroups route questions inquiries postmaster 
mixer distribution world organization ozone online operations orleans reply gerald belton gerald belton lines wondering able twwo related subjects learning receivers recieving circuits understand things things confused abuot mixer local oscillator frequencies make cicruit diagrams simple kind mixer mixer chip able find catalogs active note simple receiver circuits stashed couold good books theory detailed electrical diagrams theory books circuits circuit books theory digi chip local oscillator mixer chip great combination theory actual circuits reference engineers radio amateur handbook arrl library reference section slmr ignorance bliss happy folk ozone hole private bulletin board service full service nodes usrobotics gigs files skydive orleans rime network mail usenet newsgroups route questions inquiries postmaster 
pink noise organization virginia public education network charlottesville lines pink noise sound experiments tony wayne schools virginia 
series organization university texas austin austin lines distribution nntp posting host utexas article henry toronto henry spencer writes safety issue paranoid areas caps series means short shorts necessarily true short maximum series voltage drop overvoltage short lihan utexas reason world bruce bostwick dissolved total chaos great state texas murphy applies murphy 
membrane keypad custom legend organization university texas austin austin lines distribution nntp posting host utexas article pyeatt larry pyeatt writes catalog membrane keypads dunno happened long forget company make legend slip bezel nice priced critters reason grayhill springs mind grayhill catalog options custom printed overlays neat electroluuminescent backing make shebang glow nice shade green mighty handy door combination dark turn light lihan utexas reason world bruce bostwick dissolved total chaos great state texas murphy applies murphy 
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wanted chips small quantities distribution world organization arbor michigan reply andrew payne arbor andrew payne keywords summary reposted keith petersen lines payne andrew payne message organization cambridge research date source modem chips baycom modems ideally geared hobbyists small quantity mail order years buying distributor marshall hundreds kits orders dropped point longer afford offer service distributors checked crazy minimum order find source interested building kits suggestions andrew payne cambridge research wnet usenet gateway dial free usenet mail newsgroups pcboard uupcb kmail call member asad disk serving arbor 
part nntp posting host eigen ualberta reply ulan ualberta dale ulan organization university alberta electrical engineering distribution lines figure specifically stand dale ulan ulan ualberta 
angeles freeway traffic reports organization netcom line communication services guest newsreader version lines live francisco area word similar apparently sensor base folks installing cameras strategic points freeways initial tests santa clara area told video piped command center building east frame grabbers cheap labor interpret data large multi colored status displays show routes colors represent average speeds stretch highway announcer front status wall relay continuous verbal traffic status receive apparently licensing frequency dedicated providing continuous audio system time large incandescent display boards test stretch provide commuters data traffic conditions ahead understanding system subsidized pilot program information free charge system similarly free provided subsidized rate read cheap traffic reports broadcast audio channel television channels verbal reports qualified identification tone vehicle receivers auto talk information coming applicable area channels concept setting stereo receive audio channel station jumping find broadcasting information program subsidized making vehicle receivers cheap purchase incur monthly fees makers vehicle receivers broadcast completely true investment keeping system running trans stuff hits airwaves nifty audio receiver word wise interested summary post info system networked paid cheers alan 
answers electronics questions organization michigan technological university newsreader version lines bill willis willisw clemson wrote notice electronics questions people tuned electronics simple answers require circuit diagram muck network write send addressed stamped envelop answer questions willis fern circle clemson network quicker easier free christopher wolf electrical engineer cmwolf remember race 
question outlet wiring organization michigan technological university newsreader version lines dave martindale dave imax wrote require separate grounds ground ground outlet ground wire connected outlet mounting tabs grounds faceplate screw metal faceplate thought ground connected metal frame socket christopher wolf electrical engineer cmwolf remember race 
angeles freeway traffic reports organization michigan technological university newsreader version lines charlie brett wrote time listen evenings colorado kind driving country listening traffic jams back original question sensors past ramp ramp freeways sensors stoplights coils pavement give caltrans call bill keene traffic reporter doubt information worth case remember sell information computer connection subject pavement sensors christopher wolf electrical engineer cmwolf remember race 
voltage regulation current limiting organization university california berkeley lines nntp posting host uclink berkeley summary quick question throw class project design build power supply specs voltatge adjustable current limited voltage stay designated ripple adjustable voltage current limiting regulator chip problem current limiting found stuff rest parts circuit supply presented load draw supply voltage reduce voltage current equal short thing ammeter read measure current resistor read output voltage necessity basic idea current limiter involves circuit pull current base output power transistor reduce output ideas work advance andy collins acollins berkeley flame stupid project agree fully graded 
membrane keypad custom legend organization netcom line communication services guest newsreader version distribution lines folks dimolex corp crescenta number make membrane keypads flat layouts keys standard models tactile models stainless domes make click feel backlit models scissors form funky shape rectangle models includes bezel colored plain covers lettering make layout piece prices cheap position position affiliation dimolex company connected purchased couple keypads pleased cheers alan 
building flashlight lines organization university waterloo article jhawk john hawkinson writes main question bulb bulbs power surplus stores fluorescent bulbs phosphor transparent bulb special glass incandescent versions screw ordinary socket concerned long wave short wave cheap source bulbs thing friend mine mentioned light cheaper actual light referring opposed longwave visible spectrum longwave safer accidental hope exposure eyes fluorescent minerals reason friend lamp respond short long hope helps dave john hawkinson jhawk david malecki dramalecki watstar uwaterloo 
decoupling caps onboard organization university california santa cruz lines reply karplus ucsc kevin karplus nntp posting host ararat ucsc chip capacitors reduce ground bounce noise small systolic array chip loads clock lines design micron cmos mosis scalable design rules thoughts bypass capacitors simultaneous output switching large inductance bypass capacitor load capacitor signal line ground return ground power line bounce chip loads high load clock lines transients suppress high frequency forget large areas poly thin oxide diff capacitors time constant large make metal metal poly diff sandwich holes poly layer allowing frequent diff metal contacts forget wide poly lines design omit diff altogether solid poly sheet poly substrate high resistance speeds tune circuit slightly slower edges lower voltage swings output signalling spending chip area capacitors spare space circuit mosis tiny chip size needed kevin karplus kevin karplus karplus ucsc budgetary constraints light tunnel turned 
schadow switches xxmessage xxdate nntp posting host dialup slip organization persian carpet useragent nuntius lines price colours quantity cheers mike 
find number phone line distribution world organization acsys lines comp dcom reading thread back number dial worked sales line sprint telling customers numbers told number work modern switch mycal request mycal mycal skiing moguls turn turn turn survive survive survive risk rush 
tari processors distribution world organization acsys lines people interested aspect zine connection cash timothy duarte westport sample request mycal mycal skiing moguls turn turn turn survive survive survive risk rush 
arcade style buttons joysticks organization ohio state university dept computer info science lines nntp posting host zion ohio state purchase controls found arcade style games projects working greatly augmented implement advance parts express dayton ohio complete line professional arcade buttons joysticks number call number part express dayton ohio love free directory assistance daniel joseph rubin rubin ohio state bengals bucks 
uart needed break detect organization apple computer lines article jerry musselman wrote find uart interface baud data bits stop bits parity ability break detect output character received dallas clone break detect looked appriciated detecting break watching character bits framing error resulting receipt means line stayed state past stop time slot basically break special detect break found magic signal generated uarts alan mimms alan apple alan opinions generally portable macintosh software group pretty worthless apple computer engineering dreaming engineering calculating steven roberts computing america 
uninterruptible power supply organization university illinois urbana lines alung aaron lung writes article chris writes expert made sound realize typical switchover protected equipment running batteries inverter usual condition charge power fails deal computers batteries start droop sized batteries cabinet takes guts straight inverter time switchover screw things sense failure fast charge power time complicated sounds takes rectifies charge batteries takes battery chops feeding equipment approach easiest cleanest switchover mains battery power kicks mentioned happened line scheme mains lose power kick battery backup inverter replace lost power problem switchover time resync time flat standby unit interuption standby units labled morgan bullard uiuc mjbb uiuc built assumption provide output usable sorta make work similar story telephone system invented back damn system media back phone back assure work today phone system costs overhaul system make work 
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suggestions audio relays organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host hardy washington article billq billy quinn writes built project radio shack relays switch audio pretty clicks thing switched good relay relay circuit switching audio noise kind audio lines missed part thread switching line level speaker level audio line level single chip stereo audio switch switches channel inputs channel output mute function controllable inputs speaker level mind phil torre ptorre washington 
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info project ualberta trsvax trsvax tandy pauls lines motorola good note band equalizer easily ported ariel board turtle beach development system 
radio freq measure distance organization wisconsin madison college engineering lines article boeing robert carpenter writes wondering radio waves measure distance transmitter receiver able measure signal strength determine distance short distances accuracy inches letsee whipping inches nanoseconds resolution difficult standard read method ultrasound generally sound travels heck slower light radio waves easier deal frequencies matter easiest visit hardware store numerous sonic estimator type devices pretty cheap fact awhile stanley estimator selling bought joel kolstad 
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long distance detection organization university wisconsin academic computing center distribution lines article purdue duane mantick writes irleds outputs watts honest watts book work recall company watter cheap power mamamia pretty watt watt watt device line sell small quan individuals interested find book home pertinent info referring products opto diode corp mitchell road newbury park make amazing irled high powered devices arrays header chip model puts watts response pulse duty cycle designed illuminators vision systems interested application work dance technology program build track dancers foot wide stage feet 
radar detector detectors nntp posting host aisun organization programs university georgia athens lines microwave tower florida turnpike watch cars breaks sight morning michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio 
fujitsu keywords fujitsu microdisk organization distribution lines article christopher john powell writes deletions appears balanced line connections connection corresponds connection sounds interface work count pins varients smdc minor differences widely prior advent scsi large drives drives minis mainframes experience richard dell 
manual eprom blower logical devices prompro wanted nntp posting host jupiter organization rensselaer polytechnic institute troy distribution lines eprom blower made logical devices model prompro lost manual spare manual sell declan hughes hughes 
mixer article organization seattle lines newsreader version mark musone musone buffalo wrote wondering able twwo related subjects learning receivers recieving circuits good books theory detailed electrical diagrams theory books circuits circuit books theory pretty book readable communication receivers principes design rohde bucher mark zenier markz markz 
radio electronics free information card nntp posting host bopper organization motorola computer group tempe lines article buffalo neil gandler writes radio electronics free information cards work send general information companies advertise magazine give sign catalog depends advertiser number circled radio electronics compiles cards advertiser computer printout names addresses readers circled number magazines provide data adhesive labels magazines provide data computer disk advertiser decides data notice radio electronics information card commonly called bingo card industry includes lines company business phone number guess national advertisers make distinction hobbiests professionals include motorola company include business phone mail stop tektronics send copy hard bound catalog sales engineer call week leave blank odds send slick brochure direct local retail outlet medium small companies send catalog companies digikey jameco mail accept catalog couple interesting points bingo cards free industry magazines card computer information ways note read magazine continue subscription push repeated mailings subscribe compile people requested data marketing demographics thay prospective advertiser readers requesting data interested capacitors finally magazines rent lists readers request information tektronics rent list requested information test equipment tektronic past months point data advertiser receives magazines include items circled card advertiser attempt cull literature collectors potential customers qualified sales leads thought hobbiest deal bingo cards circle number card items card mail couple weeks information call advertiser days response time virtually takes voice phone data computer printout insure trade magazine qualified send bingo card month circle numbers include business phone number house advertisers call john schuch publisher arizona high tech times arizona electrical journal arizona hvac news bingo cards 
cable interference keywords catv cable television organization corporation wichita lines victor bison victor laking writes frequencies chanels allocated frequencies broadcast cable comm amateur business public service thompson corp peripheral products division disk array development rock road wichita thompson 
news group iee reply gcarter distribution organization sfbac lines newsreader helldiver waffle yingbin writes iee general iee announce frequently groups 
laser bubblejet reply tchannon demon distribution world mailer cppnews revision organization null lines viewpoint actual horizontal placement resoution deskjet inch electronics dynamics cartridge limit generating dots inch paper wicks inch method depositing fusing toner laster printer results spread drop technology practice difference quality care needed inkjet smudges happen investigation mechanical electronic complement laser printer complex inexpensive printers recall laser printers offer higher throughput laser versus printer cheap laser printer manage sort throughput long sheet print inkjets faster cases computer trouble keeping printer drivers printer sage copy lots copies inkjet cost consumables life printer page yield toner cartridge discount high capacity page yield cartridges discount life cycle printer consumables laser printers printers progressively closer technologies laser printers desinged higher duty cycles pages month longer product replacement cycles paper cost refills long term laserprinter expensive replacement parts consumables amortisation costs favour lowest purchase cost printer inkjets understand cases laserjet driver work software package inkjet driver wild difference printers laserprinter page printer whilst inkjet line printer means laserprinter rotate graphic images whilst inkjet drivers facility matter downloadable fonts mail tchannon demon tchannon compulink 
info needed gaucher disease distribution expires reply uucp waddington organization matrix artists network lines male friend misdiagnosed osteopporosis years recently found illness rare gaucher disease gaucher disease symptoms include brittle bones lost inches hieght enlarged liver spleen internal bleeding fatigue time problem type attributed genetic mutation lack enzyme glucocerebroside macrophages cells swell eventually death enyzme replacement therapy successfully developed approved years patients administered drug called ceredase report remarkable improvement condition ceredase manufactured biotech biggy company genzyme costs patient year gaucher disease justifyably called expensive disease world info researched gaucher disease library relying netlanders provide additional information news stories reports people disease ideas articles genzyme corp hold money programs costs basically offer deborah 
jiggers article aries mcdonald organization uiuc lines article portal mark robert thorson writes happen thing chiggers awful parasitic affliction understand tiny bugs deeply skin burying yuck things oklahoma close mother gainesville border claim chigger capitol world grew fort worth gainesville summer attack guaranteed doug mcdonald 
breech baby info needed organization university rochester lines article xtkmg kate gregory writes article fulk rochester mark fulk writes uncommon problem maternal hemorrhage remember incidence births hard handle home time thing people risk tradeoffs vary risk loss loved require considerable effort avoiding mark terrified birth process ridiculous unable women bodies designed designed evolved discomforts humans trouble free birth process sacrificed increased brain cranial size wild animals easier time birth humans domestic horses cows typically worse time give idea family tree complicated pioneer great great grandfathers wives figure wife child happened great great grandfathers time reached forties prosperous farmers nonetheless lost wives rigors childbirth graveyards spencer indiana boswell north dakota gravestones jacob liptrap baby wanted section women carrying breech case hundred thousand breech babies hung stage consequences devastating direct experience dozen victims fouled breech birth babies born hospital based guess maternal hemorrhage false belief fatal fatal fatal reach adequate permanently damages health women bodies evolved give birth believer divine design evolution favor trouble free births humans kids encourage wife inch holes stomach muscles expose anesthesia infection case measures wroth read outrageous straw attack months practically mouth foam statistically sophisticated balance risks produce exact statistics years time looked rest assured balanced section risks risks encourage wife caesarean hand opposed obvious grounds waiting emergency give bear mind wife lead decisions talked things work main decisions bothered continued suggestions misc kidders pregnant time birth dangerous fatal unpleasant things risks naturally home birth advocates time mother baby home luddite section planning hospital birth time heaven sake people bother find relative risks wife unwilling significant risks order nice surroundings view intensity birth experience doubt surroundings importance values advocating lopsided taking risks fairly small permanent harm order preserve esthetic consideration mark fulk university rochester computer science department fulk rochester 
nalgesics diuretics organization doctoral student public policy management carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew preparations muscle aches back aches combine aspirin diuretic idea reduce inflammation fluid work larry 
lactose intolerance organization gastroenterology univ alabama lines article harvard leung wrote primary school drink tons milk problems nowadays drink experiencing discomfort responsible change leung harvard older intestine normalized weaned state lactose tolerance unusual state adults mammals sapiens northern european origin sapiens asian descent assumption based loss lactase normal steve holland gila 
smoker lungs organization university kansas academic computing services lines long smoker lungs clear quitting chances lung cancer decrease quickly considerable amount time happen 
blood cholesterol gabe mirkin advice reply dougb comm organization motorola land mobile products sector nntp posting host lines article georgec george clark writes forget total cholesterol assessing health risk factors relationship cholesterol risking risk high triglycerides drug choice gemfibrozil lopid tablet thirty minutes morning evening meals exercise diet long term effects drug doug bank private systems division dougb comm motorola communications sector dougb schaumburg illinois dougb acns 
problem organization buster irby lines bitnet larry silverberg writes question hope subject content problem long time girlfriend initiating sexual activity months things changed dramatically make shorter summary changed suggested counselor suggestions appreciated contact mail info replies larry larry subject content question hand state things changed dramatically time changed girlfriend counselor recommend examine hesitation counselor good environment examine issues fact matter girlfriend perception address issue order resolve counselor girlfriend possibly hurt cliff paramedic 
prednisone significant long term side effects organization gastroenterology univ alabama lines taking prednisone control ulcerative colitis reduce dosage problem worse point taking prednisone long long time wondering long term major side effects things potential birth defects arthritis putting weight face puffed round experience sudden mood swings understand short term spenser aden reply additionally hard type response prednisone long patients generally steroids months thinking tapering alternatives daily dosing dosing case start option prednisone start azathioprine spenser generally drug addition prednisone asulfidine specifics options depends severity location duration disease histology advice worth treat patients crohn educated patient good patient doctor advice things context member crohn colitis foundation america office info hotline luck steve holland gila 
mental illness organization university wisconsin claire lines reply dabbott eleceng adelaide derek abbott case histories severe mental illness cases remarkably recovering tragic accident trauma fault trapped fire losing legs patient severely chronically depressed kill bullet temple essentially gave prefrontal lobotomy curing depression david nyeda uwec midelfort clinic claire patently absurd wishes philosopher learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell 
breathe organization university wisconsin claire lines reply roth roth vertebrae attached sacrum knowledge adjusted directly applying pressure pubic bone endless source misinformation sacral vertebrae bone called sacrum spine single solid bone patients lumbarized normal variant adjust solid bone break david nyeda uwec midelfort clinic claire patently absurd wishes philosopher learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell 
lactose intolerance organization immunex corporation seattle lines article harvard leung writes primary school drink tons milk problems nowadays drink experiencing discomfort responsible change leung harvard 
lactose intolerance organization immunex corporation seattle lines article rousseaua writes article harvard leung writes primary school drink tons milk problems nowadays drink experiencing discomfort responsible change leung harvard oops original message died understood wrongly bacteria digestive tracts break components milk normal flora intestine passes childhood pathologist microbiologist house anne marie rousseau mail rousseaua note opinions mine mine 
smoker lungs article blue organization university pittsburgh lines article bennett ukans writes long smoker lungs clear quitting chances lung cancer decrease quickly considerable amount time happen answer question difficult answer autopsies question time appears years quitting smoking person risk developing lung cancer drops person smoked assuming lung cancer interim risk smoked equivalent pack years times high smoker significant personally concerned heart disease secondary smoking common small increase risk significant kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit programmer 
breathe article blue lines newsreader version david nyeda uwec wrote reply roth roth vertebrae attached sacrum knowledge adjusted directly applying pressure pubic bone endless source misinformation sacral vertebrae bone called sacrum spine single solid bone patients lumbarized normal variant adjust solid bone break surely meant measure flow electromagnetic energy sacrum adjust flows crystal chromium applied great kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit programmer 
anti viral herbs article news distribution organization university illinois urbana lines kxgst kenneth gilbert writes poorly researched today invented mind days bottle coca cola coca extract amount active cocaine times changed attitudes change part point aspirin problems situations ditto stuff licorice root taking drug theraputic purposes implicitly carries idea taking dose benefits exceeded unwanted additional effects taking drug potential effects risk assumed parties involved situation risk worthwhile prozac instance prozac shown theraputic cases cyclics fail prozac long clear effects long periods time tested present standards prozac market long term effects imho euclid kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine pittsburgh kxgst dammit programmer kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine pittsburgh kxgst dammit programmer euclid standard disclaimers apply ironic wave model light understand propagation light part system leaves trace hudson nelson university physics 
ringing ears keywords ringing ears sleep depression reply jfare waterloo fare distribution world organization imaging systems division corp waterloo canada lines friend mine trouble ears ringing ringing loud great difficulty sleeping night normal night sleep months making depressed doctor anti depressants ringing started suddenly months quickly losing sleep social life sanity treatments experience coping mechanisms opinions anti depressant drugs 
twitching eyelid summary nntp posting host aisun organization programs university georgia athens lines surprised mentioned twitching eyelid symptom infection itches stings happened antibiotic eyedrops cleared nicely michael covington internet mcovingt artificial intelligence programs phone university georgia athens georgia amateur radio 
fibromyalgia organization dyer computer consulting cambridge article craig toronto craig macdonald writes extremely common population treatable tricyclic antidepressant type drugs elavil pamelor treated antidepressants considered psychogenic condition drugs happen antidepressants steve dyer dyer major spdcc harvard rayssd linus spdcc dyer 
analgesics diuretics organization dyer computer consulting cambridge article lawrence curcio writes preparations muscle aches back aches combine aspirin diuretic preparations advertised ridiculous concoctions nostrums premenstrual syndrome ostensibly treat headache bloating simultaneously worthless idea reduce inflammation fluid work idea work steve dyer dyer major spdcc harvard rayssd linus spdcc dyer 
ringing ears keywords ringing ears sleep depression nntp posting host bottom magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article jfare waterloo fare writes friend mine trouble ears ringing ringing loud great difficulty sleeping night normal night sleep months making depressed doctor anti depressants problem doctor prescribing medicine exact situation anti depressants work helping ringing ringing started suddenly months quickly losing sleep social life sanity mine started years back turns tinnitus bilateral translation ringing ears basically drive nuts nowadays plug ears fingers check ringing tuned read personal experience treatments experience coping mechanisms opinions anti depressant drugs millions physician learn cope mentioned earlier ignoring eventually unconscious caused diet caffeine stress changed lifestyle rarely notice kicks necessarily hearing loss caused causing nose throat exam passed fact hearing good good care hearing reaction normal tinnitus chances good begin notice info experts experience readings years back specifics handy 
emphysema question organization portal system distribution lines friend mine week tests emphysema lung capacity decreased time father died disease works woodworking occasional cigarette cigarette tells light pretty healthy life style habits good diet exercise meditation retreats therapy concerned check disease interferes lining lung able exchange oxygen diagnosis emphysema death sentence give smoking chances recovery modern therapies people disease information amigan portal 
oily skin problem reply jfare waterloo fare distribution world organization imaging systems division corp waterloo canada lines article hwong stevens tech writes oily skin problem wash face oily half hour nose region illness prevent occuring short time cleanser cleaning face oily short time problem face oily moderate acne problem years found vigorously scrub face nail brush soap irish spring acne problem leave pretty health nose print mirror acne real problem anymore 
migraines scans distribution world organization invention factory york city reply zisfein zisfein lines nyeda uwec david neurology consultation cheaper scan neurologist make differential diagnosis migraine tension type headache cluster benign intracranial hypertension chronic paroxysmal hemicrania headache syndromes normal scan neurologist recommend treatment diagnosis people convinced brain tumors pathology cheaper scan weeks easier taking time reassure patient personally justified sigh justifiable show thoroughness detailed history neurologic examination discussion patient diagnosis salted lots reassurance patients order scan absolutely aunt millie conversation aunt millie headaches years died brain tumor aneurysm ordering imaging patient benign headache syndrome hear magic able bypass imaging mind terribly sensitive brain tumor patient feels hours spent talking examining patient ionizing radiation cheaper brings money department slmr mail zisfein zisfein 
migraine exercise distribution world organization invention factory york city reply zisfein zisfein lines jlecher classify mild headache continuous weeks migraine typical features unilateral nausea vomiting photophobia migraines common agreement episodic constant glad doctor suffering remember tested healthy nagging pain qualifications side frequently included entire side side tongue hurt tingled noise hurt light hurt thinking hurt lose ability read differential diagnosis migraine migranous pain important therapies effective tricyclic antidepressants amitriptyline steroidal anti inflammatory drugs ibuprofen therapies specific beta blockers propranolol work migraine tension type headache important thing perspective relief understand diagnosis migraine necessarily psychogenic suspect organic factors play large role tension type headache migraine slmr mail zisfein zisfein 
chemistry organization university kuopio finland lines newsgroup physics discussion group chemical items prolactin cholesterol newsgroup chemistry antero julkunen dept clinical chemistry university kuopio finland mail julkunen phone 
mystery illness problems organization university colorado denver lines friend symptoms occurred periodically months years episode begins extreme tiredness traveling joint pains stiffness affecting elbows knees hips generalized muscle pains tinnitus feeling pressure ears severe sweating occuring night hemorrhaging eyes opthamologist calls peripheral retinal hemorhages similar diabetic retinopathy diabetic checked distorted color vision distorted vision general telephone poles straight loss peripheral vision tests normal called unidentified bright objects found brain thing alleviate episodes prednisone times symptoms acute concerned retinal hemorrhages worse episode vision suffering docs idea condition stop suggestions advice greatly appreciated advance kathy turner 
diet works great organization omen technology portland rain forest lines article mazur camb inmet beth mazur writes uucp chuck forsberg writes gordon experience valid fact people overweight stable lower normal weight contradict observation cent maintain ideal weight current technology observation seek called diet evangelists maintain weight happen agree keith lynch people lose weight reflected dismal failure rate quoted wasn study researcher asked general population part university community weight loss found higher percentage lost maintained fact adiposity mentions similar study search life events recent version adiposity problem anecdotal reports individuals lost weight caused weight gain place critical gains weight temporary drug effect life event successful dieting weight loss result reversing temporary condition caused weight gain chuck forsberg tektronix reed omen author ymodem zmodem professional zcomm omen technology high reliability software sauvie portland 
breathe article organization naval research laboratory electronics science technology division lines back original question thread experienced breathing difficulties years similar case turned developing type diabetes sought direct confirmation doctor breathing problem presence ketones diabetes ketosis occur lesser degree restricting food intake drastically relevant case daughter eating properly steve kirchoefer code kirchoefer navy naval research laboratory microwave technology branch washington electronics tech division 
jiggers distribution world newssoftware mike schwartz michael smith organization privately owned operated uucp site lines article susan susan writes friend mine severe jiggers year pain recently read cure jiggers information remember treatment read flamed uncles cabin middle bass island lake erie home nasty case jiggers large bumps buggers burrowed skin mother paint bumps clear finger nail polish repeated daily week application polish supposed suffocate seals skin worked word caution putting finger nail polish jigger bite stings hell flamed pockets call toast kentcomm jperkski akron kentcomm jperkski akron 
teenage acne pchurch actrix churchill organization actrix networks lines usual teenage spotty chin greasy nose bought clearasil face wash ointment usual good diet product called dalacin doctor prescription treatment chemist counter asked couple pharmacists acne severe dalacin clearasil spots teenager father figure acne escalate disfiguring kids senstitive appearance wary neighbour wierd malady eventually overdose vitamin acne treatment treatment scaliness hairline scalp sort teenage cradle pointers advice couple anti dandruff shampoos inclined make condition worse bury till floggings continue morale improves pchurch actrix churchill wellington zealand 
problem article news organization california design center santa clara lines nntp posting host hammer newsreader version larry silverberg bitnet wrote suggested counselor interesting info request world react found accept advice unknown entities counselor suggestions appreciated counselor asked 
oily skin problem article distribution organization lockheed engineering sciences lines article hwong stevens tech writes oily skin problem wash face oily half hour nose region illness prevent occuring short time cleanser cleaning face oily short time suggestion disease skin oily oily face skin younger told people skin oily tiny wrinkles lucky stars skin 
contraceptive pill reply disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host mythen zurich organization watson research center lines simple question contraceptive pill prevents ovule nest vagina forces fall month prevent fertilzation ovule true risk extra uterine pregnancy development ovule inside fallopian tube cherbonnier 
brain tumor treatment reply bmdelane uchicago organization university chicago lines people responded request info treatment astrocytomas email directly mail bouncing probs sean debra sharon thought publicly glad accidentally delete file september hmm news brian 
breathe update rginzberg wesleyan ruth ginzberg distribution world organization philosophy dept wesleyan university nntp posting host wesleyan news reader news reply nyeda uwec message lines lines responded original post question final diagnosis stress chiropractic adjustment rachel receives medical care keller army hospital military dependant army provide chiropractic adjustments part regular health care hoping arrival spring break college acceptance letters wait listed college dearly wanted attend stressor continue camping trip religious youth group spring break good stress reliever advice suggestions ideas ruth ginzberg philosophy department wesleyan university 
chemistry article netcom kaminskic organization information deli netcom jose california lines julkunen antero julkunen writes newsgroup physics discussion group chemical items prolactin cholesterol newsgroup chemistry potential chemistry splitting classification biochemistry topics thinking pharmaceutical chemistry separate issue sufficient potential news volume support groups medical health newsgroup list forward posting discussing days pete 
problems flying article rigel shafer organization nasa dryden edwards lines reply vida message vida vida morkunas vida develop problems flying hear vida pilots steward esses limit maximum vida number flying hours limits vida main problems long haul hours vida trips crew rest requirements prevent undue fatigue cockpit crew pilot limits stringent cabin crew limits reason crew rest requirements address amount time duty rest time tired crew accident prone crew limits problems military aircraft frequently unpressurized reliably pressurized able clear ears renders aircrew members dnif duties involving flying grounded ears clear flying accentuate problems ears clear pressure problem usual cabin altitude airliner back level discover problem ears clear readily allergies colds infections anatomical problems change medication decongestants antihistimines chewing sucking hard candy bottle babies yawning mary shafer kotfr nasa dryden flight research facility edwards shafer dfrf nasa speak nasa unknown fighter pilot 
contraceptive pill article blue lines newsreader version wrote simple question contraceptive pill prevents ovule nest vagina forces fall month prevent fertilzation ovule true risk extra uterine pregnancy development ovule inside fallopian tube pill works works oral contraceptive pill prevents ovulation occuring providing negatve feedback pituitary gland preventing surge occurs time ovulation fertilization occur device prevents implantation wall uterus vagina kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit programmer 
lupus keywords information wanted article cruzio reply bytor santa cruz lines friend diagnosed lupus disease thing sort skin disease friend shows skin rashes fact blood test determine wrong sacro illiac joint problem finding hard time finding information disease enlighten particulars disease feel free mail bytor santa cruz advance 
oral form imitrex sumatriptan article vela psee distribution organization oakland university rochester lines nntp posting host ouchem chem oakland sumatriptan imitrex subcutaneous injectable form oral form friend severe migranes times week live border drugs gerd prescribed physician filled pharmacy approved cost oral form info 
twitching originator jmetz austin organization austin lines time attributed lack sleep disappeared nights good 
problems flying organization macdonald dettwiler commerce parkway richmond canada lines develop problems flying hear pilots steward esses limit maximum number flying hours limits main problems long haul hours trips frequent flyer 
human breast feeding myths reality organization summary experience children lines article homer webster homer writes rjasoar robert alexander writes additional question long mother breast feed child friend mine nursing year beneficial husband coninued nursing year proof unfit mother studies breast feeding past year psychological health child homer wife breast boys months months months years fairly normal noticed negative correlation infections length time nursed small sample notice year breast feeding understand unfit mother charge tactic folks divorce child custody battles developing nations practice breast feeding years screwed milk commercial formula doctors bobby akgua 
recurrent volvulus organization department computer science canada keywords volvulus nntp posting host berfert lines recurrent volvulus recurrent volvulus suffering infant surgery year surgery performed year years turned february afflicted illness hospitalised vomitting accompanying stomach pain managed surgery thing wife noticed affliction peaks time born nearabouts march year significance recur family severe pain undergo surgery surgery rectify situation hospital canada specialize malady good book explaining disease detail keeping diet probability recurrence time probability recurrence stronger healthier prone attacks assumption wrong throwing light queries highly appreciated jose 
smoker lungs article cbnewsj distribution organization lines article bennett ukans writes long smoker lungs clear quitting chances lung cancer decrease quickly considerable amount time happen read recent times science times science news evidence smoker risk lung cancer returns person smoked close find article post memory hazy specifics interested michael 
migraine therapies article pitt reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article lindy lindy foster writes treated therapies migraine prophylaxis treatment propanolol xdaily relief started propranolol homeopathic dose migraine fatigued level tolerate beta blocker antidepressant route antidepressants work migraine prophylaxis single nightime dose work migraine seratonin gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
vangus nerve vagus nerve article pitt reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article brian barker writes connection vomiting fainting vagus nerve stimulation vagus nerve slows heart drops blood pressure gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
migraines article pitt reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article drand douglas rand writes neurologist prescribed cafergot midrin alternatives stated sublingual tablets ergotamine longer idea suggested ibuprophen found sublinguals disappearing profitable cafergot tablets vomited migraine patients good flushed toilet suspect moving patients nasal spray effective gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
aids related questions article pitt reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article paula ford writes friend mine regular volunteer blood donor surgery units blood suitable recovery time donate blood bloodmobile cross notified registered letter counselling died years week left long counselling meant long practices varied agencies gear provide counselling wife year people suggested wife cross blood transfusions died surgery good suing community service agencies provide blood people testing fool proof fact aids transfusion cross screwed prior good test blood fault cross transfusions gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
health care reform article pitt reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article custer wrgrace linda custer writes post work read editorial page march edition time magazine noting managed care extremely inefficient clients billary pandering insurance industry worst comments agree adding layers managers bureaucrats simply money spent work doctors nurse supplies efficient system limited management fixed budget england canada afraid wrong track problem insurance lobby powerful gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
health care reform article pitt reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article nyeda uwec david writes total disaster canadian model preferable position agree surprising sympathy physicians effect beating poll showed people thought physicians paid year tops make doubt physicians work hard kind bread able service school debts mike royko good column gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
update lyme article pitt reply pitt mitchum organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article john setel donnell writes imho lyme disease told private email predicted start migrating pains joint imho original poster business soliciting diagnoses donnell business supplying major reason real physicians avoid newsgroup plague double standard physician offered diagnose treat sued people qualifications free disclaim doctor crap period 
patient physician diplomacy article pitt reply pitt mitchum organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article hrubin stat purdue herman rubin writes article mitchum writes ditto disease great leveling experience people afronted find money world health money health talking paying medical expenses adequately covered herman people distinguish health treatment disease prevention medicine people preach time health treatment disease assuming lucky disease treated rich person terminal disease luck thing adequately covered worth admit patients 
immotile cilia syndrome article pitt reply pitt mitchum organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article andrea ncsu andrea free kwiatkowski writes information subject studies conducted confident pediatrician communication people chapel hill life long disorder genetically transferred current realize disorder documented fertility clinic scandanavia controversial patient kartagener syndrome form immotile cilia syndrome situs inversus bronchiectasis chronic infections situs inversus means organs wrong side body complete partial interesting medically normal location organs caused part normal rotation ciliary motion absence laterality random people situs inversus popular medical schools rarity fact doctors upset find patient heart sounds wrong side harrison immotile cilia syndrom autosomal recessive imply average child family affected current information usual medicine talking conditiion suggest pediatrician contacting medical geneticics specialist ncsu 
lung disorders clubbing fingers article pitt reply pitt mitchum organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article slagle lockheed writes enlighten relationship lung disorders clubbing swelling widening fingertips mechanism physician call chest xrays diagnose clubbing purists distinguish true clubbing pseudo clubbing difference true clubbing angle nail viewed side constantly negative proceeding distally fingertip pseudo clubbing angle initially positive negative normal situation real internists talk hours clubbing limited couple minutes distinction reality unclear things internists love rounds supposedly true clubbing disease problem list diseases clubbing long includes congenital conditions acquired disease diseases cardiopulmonary problems leading left shunts chronic hypoxemia reasonable chest xray congenital abnormalities diagnosed cardiac catheterization clubbing unclear relates factor causing blood vessels distal fingertip dilate abnormally clubbing things examination tipoff extensive examination clubbing apparent 
open letter hillary rodham clinton article pitt reply pitt mitchum organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines posting replies letters 
menangitis question article pitt reply pitt mitchum organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article brooksby nosubdomain nodomain glen brooksby writes past weekend friend mine lost month daughter matter hours form menangitis person informing called nicereal meningicocis retrospect disease struck friday evening passed saturday symptoms rash started small began progressing rapidly began turning blue eventually time late hand info question unusual form menangitis transmitted work kill quickly organisms viral bacterial fungal meningitits infections varies widely bacterial meningitis vary adults pneumococcus organism pneumococcal pneumonia common children hemophilus influenzae common describing meningitis neisseria meningitidis common bacterial meningitis groups lower incidence infants organism called meningococcus source common epidemics meningitis occur popularized press prompt treatment cases organism typically death organism feared grown throats normal adults meninges ways blood borne spread usual case rifampin oral antibiotic family contacts case meningococcal meningitis time detailed reply meningitis huge topic justice 
aids related questions article pitt reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article paula ford writes people husband give blood understand blood type punishing cross person needed blood nagging gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
update lyme article pitt reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article john setel donnell writes posting physicians lyme literature steere denial merry round patients correctly diagnosed treated steere acting good faith discoverer lyme intents purposes famous lyme famous steere ulterior motive easy physicians call lyme treat money involved computer engineer doctor building computer manufacturing company lyme lost years life total disability partially result company failed taking jobs savings worked years lucky found physician lyme foundation work full time persistent infection suffer variety sypmtoms follow lyme literature tragic happened necessarily make objective source information life focussed emotionally involved advising people lyme advocacy research lyme order people effective gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
breathe article pitt reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article romdas berkeley ella baff writes prostate treatment worse disease medicine histologically identified prostate tissue observable place occur identified prostate cancer told chiropractorstreat subluxation spinal demons exist tissue damage incurred chiropractic treatment performed effort exorcise elusive silent killer ligamentous damage laxity microfracture joint surfaces fractures strokes paralysis definition worse treatment john badanes email romdas berkeley stand antichiropractic posting chiropractor curiosity piqued prostate troublesome entity chiropractors typically bone pain spinal metastases manipulated frequently manipulating cancer riddled bone highly dangerous fracture cases happened resulting neurologic damage including paraplegia instance knowing read rays chiropractor stay trouble chiropractors bony mets prostate gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
menangitis question article pitt reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article brooksby nosubdomain nodomain glen brooksby writes past weekend friend mine lost month daughter matter hours form menangitis person informing called nicereal meningicocis retrospect disease struck friday evening passed saturday symptoms rash started small began progressing rapidly began turning blue eventually time late hand info question unusual form menangitis transmitted work kill quickly neiseria meningococcus common forms meningitis sweeps schools boot camp contagious kills attacking covering brain causing blood vessels thrombose brain swell treatable caught time time rash infants susceptible dying bacterial meningitis infant fever stiff lethargic rushed hospital spinal show meningitis seizures occur family members told kind medication prevent carriers concerns wife coming visit live throat carriers worry medication gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
breathe article pitt reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article uucp paul schmidt writes important verify procedures proper studies show worthiness risk read interesting tidbit medical treatments unproven based scientific fact treatments prostate cancer unproven treatment dangerous disease article read read true medical treatments based science difficult prove certitude true things found work good explanation scientific rationale common treatment prostate cancer hormone therapy proven work radiation chemotherapy treatments article proven gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
sinus migraine sinus endoscopy organization bellcore livingston summary headaches analgesics lines noticed years analgesics fairly regularly motrin time migraines forgotten started reading posts generally nsaids tylenol headaches found ineffective pain sources force nsaids naprosyn pelvic pain beginning period worse midcycle surgery endometriosis past years pain endometriosis coming back synarel reduced pain pain returned immediately stopped doctors suggested hysterectomy real solution problem expect children idea uterus remaining ovary removed ovary removed surgery endometriosis suggested hysterectomy expert laser surgery thinks type procedure worthwhile women plan children basically left toughing pain impossible naprosyn similar aspirin work motrin gave horrible gastritis years fact naprosyn works eliminating pain regularly severe back pain pain legs discuss moment generally wait pain naprosyn takes hours reduce pain effective reducing pain takes meantime frequently severe pain pain source chronic lower back pain resulting bilateral radiculopathy mris xrays scan emgs intend nerve conduction tests tests conclusive causing back pain reports bulging degeneratig disks xrays apparent arthritis reading scan herniations looked films concluded herniations nerve conduction studies shows significant denervation compared yeah horrible test called somatic evoked response showed internal nerves working fine bottom line severe pain legs back pain back pain time live pain analgesic anti inflammatory medication reduce pain level work naprosyn regulary months time stop pain worse resume november frequently primarily pelvic pain physical therapy months times week month therapist pelvic traction earlier caused pain back time lower weight month pain legs began traction aways caused discomfort lower back reduced ultrasound massage pain legs fact therapist traction weeks back original reason post avoid taking analgesic headaches avoid pain sources force forgot mention suggested back surgery avoiding find migraines difficult deal occassionally work work reduced capacity systems engineer reading writing pelvic pain concentrate jumping chair minutes pain bothersome pain back severe burning legs shooting pains legs electric shock type pain feet toes basically spending time home analgesics contribute migraines migraines tolerable pain sources migraines average month days cafergot time caffiene reduced dosage side effects diahrea headache eventually cafergot neurologist helpful told problems cafergot sumatriptan medications fiornal midrin fiornal codeine tegretol inderal work tolerate doctor satisfied tolerate pain agree time pain experiences surgery heart stopped anesthesia told succinylcholine surgery times point analgesics contribute migraines people tolerate pain janice rathmann 
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ringing ears originator dubin colorado keywords ringing ears sleep depression nntp posting host spot colorado reply dubin colorado organization univ colorado boulder lines jfare waterloo fare writes friend mine trouble ears ringing folks tinnitus time sufferer tinnitus neuroscientist looked literature carefully reasonable conclusions millions people suffer chronic tinnitus understood accepted treatment cures experimental treatments helped people reports anecdotal massive good results experimental drugs people chronic loud tinnitus noise blocking sleep sudden onset loud tinnitus caused injuries abates months aspirin exacerbate tinnitus people national association tinnitus sufferers concentrating tinnitus unnoticed stress lack sleep make tinnitus annoying cure mark dubin professor 
jiggers originator sasghm nntp posting host theseus organization institute lines world greatest expert chiggers type mite indigenous south spent time contemplating buggers past years moved observations gained painful experience reactions chiggers vary greatly person person people tiny bites sensitive fairly large swollen sore affairs chigger bites gift giving swear things itch months folklore chiggers fiction research critters effect book find subject single book special collections library required based experience family members folk remedy fingernail polish simply work recall reading theory based chiggers burrow skin continue party false reaction toxins sort pests release speculation approach prevention couple things work good insect repellent deet deep woods liberally applied ankles waistband good start preparation called chig combination sulfur kind cream cortisone originally prepared army commercially summer ankles morning weekends literally live country consequences apparently sulfur sulfur dust body clothing repel amount prevention completely successful forget fingernail polish finally settled treatment involves topical application combination cortisone creme reduces inflamation swelling benzocaine relieves itch things things wife counts minor surgery mentioned gains swelling itching significantly relieved application packs speed recovery doctors care chiggers urban suburban doctors apparently encounter rural doctors regard force nature endure suspect good treatment chiggers make money gary merrill principal systems developer compiler development institute campus cary sasghm mcnc sasghm 
diet works great reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article mazur camb inmet beth mazur writes article bhjelle writes hand good implying person weighs overeating fact body make moral judgements composition conceivably body works hard maintaining weight undoubtedly maintain weight primarily overeating didn weight drop back normal gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
blindsight reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article werner berkeley john werner writes article pitt gordon banks wrote explain thought types cones equivalent basically types sensitive green sensitive blue yellow common kinds color blindness green blue yellow remember case cones color sensitive contrary original respondent claimed gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
sinus migraine sinus endoscopy reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article lauger john lauger writes article pitt gordon banks wrote approach analgesics approaches tofranil naproxen naproxen things tylenol promoting analgesic abuse headache infusions days hospital cold turkey tapering doctor successfully gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
sinus migraine sinus endoscopy reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article cash peter cash writes brain pain receptors thought heard brain surgery performed patient conscious precisely reason talking receptors brain sensory innervation structures thalamus handle pain entire organism apples oranges gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
tuberculosis reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article columbia jonathan writes wondering steps prevent spread multi drug resistant tuberculosis heard places thinking incarcerating disease violate civil rights individuals legal precedents action legal climate tremendous legal precendent forcibly quarantining patients sanitariums time sporadically patients medicine find surveilence public health department find legal power insist make clinic visits gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
blindsight reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article fulk rochester mark fulk writes article hrvoje hecimovic writes compensation lesions localized rare able extremely rare humans involved mess sort birds vision tectum gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
eyepiece reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article clarke clarke writes eyepiece called head mirror doctors speculum speculum cone fits otoscope vaginal specula females gynecologists familiar gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
patient physician diplomacy reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article carl carl witthoft writes unacceptable hospitals choice treat show sick mangled accident rich insurance foot bills intend ambulance gutter afford treatment allowed gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
exercise hypertension reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article writes stress test couple weeks back results back noting exercise hypertension fool meant explain wondering enlighten promise time meant blood pressure treadmill normal meant answer person gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
striato nigral degeneration reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article ktodd mvhs todd writes information rare disease understand operation referred pollidotomy order physician performs procedure responses appreciated respond email ktodd mvhs rare cases called parkinson disease turn autopsy suspected case parkinsonism tremor respond dopa therapy pallidotomy gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
morbus meniere real remedy reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article lindae writes biggest resentment doctor makes people dizziness cured case cases long tedious process partial cure chronic dizziness dizziness patients acute subacute dizziness vertiginous spells meniere eventually patient left deaf suffering vertigo dizziness variation thereof advice fellow sufferer searching doctors research helped good general advice odds find miracle research secret hidden general knowledge disease slim good answers problems found newspapers spending great deal time energy medical problem divert energy productive things life limited amount spent assure doctor gave correct story clear dealing problem medicine good solution strategy join support group abreast findings make career gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
donating organs reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article mhollowa sunysb michael holloway writes banks make point keeping liver transplant research place questions recent transplant proceedings somesuch xenografts liver section transplants living donors pittsburgh group published baboon work chicago lobe transplants living donors published read transplant literature liver transplant patients neurologic trouble pretty frequent newspapers scuttlebutt howard doyle works gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
update lyme reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article john setel donnell writes imho lyme disease private email summary treatment protocols lyme disease foundation respectfully suggest save great deal suffering contacting lyme knowledgeable physician referral seek treatment weeks clock ticking weeks lyme folks lyme knowledgeable physician walks door lyme disease treated lyme hope good insurance gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
codine narcolepsy reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article stevel nasa steve lancaster writes scheduled drug mess substance works adulterated tylenol perscribe year long supply script doctor basically refused prescribe clinic prescribe controled substances company rule short feds codeine difficult prescribe hassles tylenol compromise refills amount acetominophen codeine hurt gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
migraines estrogen reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article pwageman peggy wageman writes read hormonal fluctuations contribute migraines taking supplemental estrogen migraines information fluctuation estrogen level taking premarin migraines women gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
migraine exercise reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article rsilver richard silver writes questions obvious connection flushed appearance migraine foolish play migraine visual disturbance affecting play prefer ignore flushing vascular dilation part migraine attack people event puffy swollen long careful avoid face ball migraine hurt health gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
multiple sclerosis drug reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article duke alan magid writes disclaimer speak wanted gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
info reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article central writes started working rehabilitation hospital diagnosis times nature subject mail reflex sympathetic dystrophy made answers questions year gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
tuberculosis organization pittsburgh lines article rginzberg wesleyan ruth ginzberg writes damned rights sick fail treat disease spread place preserved happy years commit patient growing salmonella stool blood open ulcer treatment idea walking public health risk forcing receive antibiotics days public interest make long story short judge laughed idea yelled wasting time found tuberculosis appears medical oppsed psychiatric condition committed specific laws enacted years vary state state legal experts 
amitriptyline reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article roberts eric roberts writes effect overdose amitriptyline fatal adult dose kill child patient somnolent dilated pupils blood pressure possibly cardiac arrhythmias gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
medication parkinsons reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article zisfein zisfein writes throw names donald calne terry elizan jesse cedarbaum recommend selegiline mention william landau gosh jesse famous intern landau liking makes spite kidding bill gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
fingernail moons reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article daniel prince calcom socal daniel prince writes lunulas thumbs medical significance finding advance replies peeling skin back base fingernails hard hurt find nice lunulas peel back gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
health care reform reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article custer wrgrace linda custer writes physician fees highest levels talking bulk physicians making good great salaries mega loans medical school debts strong ethics teeth physicians agree specialties line main problem payment method procedures time distorts system hope afraid usual local brunt people grouse paying home doctor office mind paying brain surgery local cheating worship feet neurosurgeon saved life realize local docs fewer gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
high prolactin reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article john rodway writes comments drug parlodel high prolactin blood suppress secretion prolactin cases galactorrhea adenomas pituitary secret gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
toxoplasmosis reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article sude susanne denninger writes dangerous dangerous dangerous immune suppressed persons fetuses extremely dangerous rest dangerous transmitted read meat cats details feces worst pregnant women touch litter prevent infection cook meat watch pets symptoms long term effects read treatments availble effective antibiotic check reverse damage fetus gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
diet works great reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article uucp chuck forsberg writes future diet evangelists diet work obese obey mode research prediction types diet individual diet evangelist good term fits atkins gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
patients read package inserts reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article rginzberg wesleyan ruth ginzberg writes hmm place patient responsibility absolutely reason pharmacist filling prescription physicians package insert medication pick pharmacy make pharmacist physicians package insert people happy insert explain patients read insert panic visit sheepishly admit afraid drug starting square back followup admit drug thought kill people understand inserts report adverse side effect reported substantiating drug responsible insert legal document slough liability manufacturer physician happen patients reliable information drug hold drug evaluation books similar scientific drugs reported death taking patients realize risks properly herman ballistic problem drugs reported impotence half males read falsely assume permanently lose sexual function refuse drug real problem readers providing patients tools geared information involved research project migraine domain involves computer system provide answers questions migraine therapy prescribed patient common illnesses migraine hypertension patient spend time needed computer burden physician physicians large part fail answer questions patients demonstrated asked things patients found physician didn physician fault patients afraid afraid system hope gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
tuberculosis reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article mitchum writes found tuberculosis appears medical oppsed psychiatric condition committed specific laws enacted years vary state state illinois venereal disease aids included syphillis gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
tuberculosis reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article klier writes multiple drug resistance phenomenon largest contributing factors people longer scared antibiotics roughly feared years drug addicts harboring active resistant chicago difference strains virulent days weak spread people easily infected person developed compliance medications compliance development resistant strains problem long time drugs develop strains virulent resistant strain trouble measures assure compliance entail force gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
fungus epidemic reply pitt gordon banks distribution organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article steward portal john joseph deltuvia writes story weeks network news show sort fungus supposedly attacks bone structure widespread california hear fungus california coccidiomycosis heard attacked bone attacks lung unlucky central nervous system years call valley fever found inland valleys coast gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
travel bangladesh reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article covingc tamu george writes traveling bangaldesh summer wondering immunizations information calling public health department county pittsburgh give shots free bulletins medical libraries give recommendations call infectious diseases section medicine department local medical school talk malaria prophylaxis doctor prescription gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
compartment syndrome general information references keywords compartment syndrome blood clots reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article boeing larry yeagley writes acquaintance diagnosed blood clots compartment syndrome searched latest edition columbia medical encyclopedia found mosby medical dictionary description suggests arterial condition point compartment syndrome occurs swelling compartment bounded fascia pressure rises compartment blood supply nerves compromised treatment open compartment surgically common places compartment syndromes forearm calf emergency pressure relieved stuff gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
rays reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article iceskate stanford writes question heard compared amount time spent heard harmful question yearly test yearly chest minute amount radiation drop bucket increased risk concerned controls matter case write legislator hold breath gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
eyepiece organization hitachi computer products ossd division lines nntp posting host duca article pitt gordon banks writes article clarke clarke writes eyepiece called head mirror doctors speculum speculum cone fits otoscope vaginal specula females gynecologists familiar fairness note speculum dictionary question surfaced definition mirror polished metal plate reflector optical instruments fits context david wright hitachi computer products america waltham wright opinions necessarily hitachi opinions thinking people 
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menangitis question organization computer science engineering washington seattle distribution lines article pitt gordon banks writes neiseria meningococcus common forms meningitis sweeps schools boot camp contagious kills attacking covering brain causing blood vessels thrombose brain swell live throat carriers worry medication assuming cultured throat laden neiseria meningococcus eryc culture negative worry carrier elizabeth walkup washington 
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blindsight organization world public access unix brookline lines article pitt gordon banks writes article werner berkeley john werner writes article pitt gordon banks wrote explain thought types cones equivalent basically types sensitive green sensitive blue yellow common kinds color blindness green blue yellow remember case cones color sensitive contrary original respondent claimed original respondent reiterate cones respond portions spectrum rods respond parts visible spectrum bluegreen case reddish amphibia hoseshoe crab limulus polyphemus photoreceptors respond portion spectrum common misconception confound wavelength specificity color sensitive synonymous beat dead horse outputs cone matched number absorbed photons irrespective absorbed photons wavelength cone outputs indistinguishable cones simply detectors spectral sensitivities color sensitive rods ommatidia photoreceptors color vision arises outputs receptors sample parts spectrum cones case processed centrally handwave intentional worked published research rods cones years adherence belief cones detect color frustrating word reposting excellent articles good oldish color vision texts texts robert boynton human color vision holt rhiehart winston hurvich color vision sinauer associates original articles baylor hodgkin detection resolution visual stimuli turtle phoreceptors physiol baylor lamb reponses retinal rods single photons physiol schnapf visual transduction cones monkey macaca fascicularis physiol edwin barkdoll barkdoll psych upenn edwin barkdoll 
donating organs article blue organization pittsburgh transplant institute lines article pitt gordon banks writes article mhollowa sunysb michael holloway writes recent transplant proceedings somesuch xenografts liver section transplants living donors pittsburgh group published baboon work chicago lobe transplants living donors published case report xenotransplant published lancet send reprint interested paper sort tour horizon written starzl published resident edition annals surgery october surgical resident newsletter section find regular issue annals reprints paper accepted publication immunology today coming describing experience xenografts date segmental liver transplants living related donors confess total ignorance literature philosophically opposed field howard doyle doyle 
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science methodology homeopathy tradition summary science mere methodology organization university hawaii mathematics dept expires lines article turpin utexas russell turpin writes wrote phrasing accurate science investigation phenomena avoids methods reasoning erroneous past foul article writes agree talking fundamental aspects scientific method fact alternative fundamentals capable experimental investigation agreeing work people kuhn feyerabend lakatos methodology subject kind experimental investigation applied critically appraised methodologies compared conflicting results produce kind critical appraisal comparison inappropriateness existing methodologies fields study drives evolution methodologies usual missing point russell questionning basic article faith science matter methodology highest purpose science avoid making mistakes important aspect business management accurate bookkeeping science methodology making mistakes poor thing methodology darwin methodology einstein matter methodology jenner pasteur earlier article russell turpin writes foregoing read meaning open door practitioners quackery psuedo science modern advocates homeopathy chiropracty traditional chinese medicine receive respect part methods reasoning kind research lady recommends shown terribly faulty imply treatments ineffective imply rely faulty methodology reasoning incapable discovering treatments effective arguing straw arguing quackery pseudo science homeopathy chiropracty traditional chinese medicine accepted science basic ideas homeopathy chiropracty extremely flaky things including flaky ideas deserving scientific attention fact true stated fashionable methodology idea effective science today exist current science based past work scientists methodology current standards flawed true methodology improves examine results derived past perfect methodologies true results obtained people today rely early methodologies examined rigorous fashion qualified credibly fails elaborate double blind studies capable knowing hole ground ideas scientific establishment possibly worthy investigation marks attitude doctrinaire cultist attitude compatible belief reason arguments behaviorists cognitivists psychology science collection competing religious sects lady uhcc hawaii lady bitnet 
typing injuries month monthly posting supersedes organization university california berkeley lines expires reply wallach nntp posting host elmer fudd berkeley summary happening archive originator dwallach fudd berkeley archive typing injury version revision date file details soda berkeley archive summarizes frequently asked questions documents posted monthly full groups mailing lists receive full month month file month phew typing injuries soda berkeley archive month files soda berkeley archive tidbits caring wrists document network advice adverse mechanical tension details apple keyboard info carpal tunnel syndrome carpal explained general info details physical marketing info vertical macweek article details hooking normal keyboard updated pricing info datahand comfort half qwerty anonymous explorer toronto picutures apple adjustable keyboard tronic flexpro picture kinesis vertical tony receive copy find place found document send mail dwallach berkeley anonymous soda berkeley typing injury directory enjoy wallach attractive features connection dwallach berkeley machine array blinking lights faces office cabinet paris manual 
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keyboard datahand fuzzy picture datahand layout schematic datahand picture datahand flexpro tronic flexpro keyboard kinesis kinesis ergonomic keyboard kinesis multiple views kinesis maltron pictures maltron products mikey mikey mikey schematic picture mikey tony tony ergonomic keysystem twiddler front view twiddler side view vertical vertical keyboard wave iocomm wave keyboard files compressed ending uncompress file locally soda file extension unable soda send mail arrange general info injuries foremost importance experience pain absolutely doctor possibly difference difference short recovery long drawn ordeal doctor garden variety doctor necessarily familiar sort injury generally hospital occupational therapy clinic offer specialists kinds problems wait doctor remainder information paraphrased permission wonderful report zealand department labour occupational safety health service occupational overuse syndrome treatment rehabilitation practitioner guide glossary fancy names hands note hear terms doctors keyboard vendors repetitive strain injury general term kinds injuries occupational overuse syndrome synonym cumulative trauma disorder synonym wruld work related upper limb disorders synonym carpal tunnel syndrome hyperextension marked bending joint pronation turning palm wrist extension bending wrist supination turning palm wrist flexion bending wrist pinch grip grip pencil ulnar deviation bending wrist finger power grip grip hammer radial deviation bending wrist thumb abduction moving body overspanning opening fingers wide problems main types local conditions diffuse conditions local problems expect specific muscles tendons tendon sheaths nerves inflamed hurt diffuse conditions mistaken local problems involve muscle discomfort pain burning tingling identifiable areas tenderness muscles necessarily problem occupational overuse syndrome occur theory muscles tendons blood capillaries pass muscle fibers tense muscle restrict blood flow time exerting full power completely restricting blood flow fresh blood muscles stored energy switch anaerobic oxygen metabolism generates nasty products lactic acid pain muscle hurts neighbors tense relieve load makes sense normal sort injury makes things worse repetitive motion tension means blood flow cycle continues product lack blood flow tingling numbness nerves blood typing giving change blood back belongs muscles relax blood stress poor posture poor ergonomics make things worse specific injuries heard note injuries flavors acute chronic acute injuries severely painful noticable chronic conditions pronounced symptoms real tenosynovitis inflamation tendon sheath chronic tenosynovitis occurs repetitive activity mild intermittent acute inflamation exceed tendon sheath ability lubricate tendon result tendon sheath thickens inflamed problem tendonitis inflammation tendon repeated tensing tendon inflamation eventually fibers tendon start separating break leaving debris induces friction swelling pain acute tendonitis common entails dull ache wrist forearm tenderness worse repetitive activity carpal tunnel syndrome nerves wrist fingers trapped inflamed muscles symptoms include feeling pins needles tingling numbness loss sensation confused diffuse condition adverse mechanical tension neural tension nerves running contracted possibly compressed result muscle spasms shoulders misdiagnosed disorders largely reversible treated physiotherapy brachial plexus stretches trigger point therapy part body fancy injure idea conditions occur careful inexperienced doctors misdiagnose problems carpal tunnel syndrome reality completely problem opinion drastic surgery typing posture ergonomics prevention treatment important element prevention recovery reduce tension muscles tendons requires learning relax load stress doubly important tune world breath deep regular relaxing guiding principle work minutes break minutes break minutes helpful work comfortable surroundings calm relax sleep focus rest sleep relaxation deal kinds treatments drugs reduce inflamation pain custom molded splints forcefully prevent posture surgery problems exercise strengthen muscles regular stretching prevent injury good posture good ergonomic workspace promote reduced tension cold contrast baths reduce swelling doctor posture basic guidelines written zealand book lifting verbatim appendix dwallach shoulders relax elbows swing free wrists straight pull chin flop head forward hollow base spine leaning back chair slouch slump forward alter posture time time minutes bend spine backward seat height feet flat floor undue pressure underside thighs knees thighs slope draw desk height comfortable work short impossible beest remedy raise seat height prevent legs dangling footrest adjust backrest height buttocks space backrest seat backrest support hollow back adjust tilt give firm support area operate keyboard able spend time leaning back experiment chair taller backrest diverge text good chair makes difference chair find adjustments height back angle back height seat tilt rests expensive chairs height adjustable rests rotate find good store play chairs pick francisco area highly recommend chairs keyboard drawers wrist pads keyboard replacements fair amount controvery people wrist pads work wonders good posture resting wrists prefer keyboard drop arms side lift hands elbow keyboard hands elbows degrees avoid pronation wrist extension ulnar deviation costs wrist pads work type relax easier notice hunched shoulders deviated hands argue normal flat keyboard antiquated poorly designed number replacements market today check accompanying typing injury keyboards detail requests info information incomplete typing injury archive incomplete information submit send mail gladly throw maintain list products vendors wonderful love make list chair desk vendors love make list doctors love edit sections places goofed references completely rewrote information section wonderful guide produced zealand occupational safety health service service department labour special authors wigley turner blake darby mcinnes harding semi bibliographic reference occupational overuse syndrome treatment rehabilitation practitioner guide published occupational safety health service department labour wellington zealand edition june isbn price zealand richard donkin reviewing posting wallach attractive features connection dwallach berkeley machine array blinking lights faces office cabinet paris manual 
science methodology summary avoiding mistakes organization university hawaii mathematics dept expires lines article mhollowa sunysb michael holloway writes article lady uhcc hawaii lady writes point arguments science psychology cases people rejecting scientific argument evidence proof cases adequate scientific research cases evidence format doctrinaire conceptions science confusion proof process science making precisely points wanted make fully agree distinction process science result result science results objectively verifiable objective process science good empirical research showed merit homeopathic remedies valuable information homeopathy qualifies science disagree turpin order science theoretical structure makes sense mere collection empirically validated random hypotheses experiment empirical studies important part science culmination scientific research important part true scientific methodology scientific thinking hypotheses worth testing hypotheses leap data simply flash shaving window good thinking difference nobel prize level scientist mediocre scientist quality empirical methodology depends quality thinking bothers graduate students science conducting empirical studies bothers fields parts psychology thinking mere studies testing hypotheses offended russell turpin repeated assertion science amounts avoiding mistakes simply avoiding mistakes arguments behaviorists cognitivists psychology science collection competing religious sects lady uhcc hawaii lady bitnet 
natural anti cancer aids remedies organization hitachi computer products ossd division lines nntp posting host duca article pitt gordon banks writes article mcelwre uwec writes biggest reason cost medical care extremely high increasing natural methods treatment diagnosis systematically suppressed money grubbing power mongering medical establishment half realize medical doctors replaced aliens planet encounter prejudices foreign medical graduates david wright hitachi computer products america waltham wright opinions necessarily hitachi opinions thinking people 
sensitivity superstition nntp posting host wind bellcore reply jchen bellcore organization bell communications research lines article mary uiuc mary allison writes tuesdays weeks week consistancies sake ordered food local chinese exact food days hold time food ordered time reaction time scientific proven shadow doubt reaction proof sick eating food restaurants bother taste difference psychological reaction play role fact part natural substance consumes amount regular diet synthesized additive chinese asians japanese koreans flavor enhancer thousand years knew make chemical processes extracted natural food food meat broth baring baring sugar people react jason chen 
morbus meniere real remedy organization winco lines article pitt gordon banks writes recent movie lorenzo offers perfect talking unique case history rare fatal disease accomplishment significant overplayed movie dramatic effect curative prevent progression slows pretty good article march scientist titled pouring cold water lorenzo article states research shown discernable effect progression disease patients demyelination begun patients acute form disease improvement ability nerve fibres conduct impulses patients begun demyelination jury dale cook 
podiatry school info reply bitnet organization university albany suny lines planning attending podiatry school year narrowed choices pennsylvania college podiatric medicine philadelphia california college podiatric medicine francisco information oppinions schools hard time deciding attend make decision larry live york saturday night tonight special guest lawrence silverberg state university york albany albany 
food related seizures organization nasa langley research center hampton lines distribution world nntp posting host larc nasa posting group hopes finding network newsland heard similar describe fourteen year daugter experienced seizure november eating kellog frosted flakes perfectly healthy experienced history seizures side family tests negative decision made wait happened fine morning april bowl kellog frosted kind cereal fruit loops embarrassed admit bought junk pour bowl kind junk eating seizure minutes full blown seizures exposure sugar coated cereal seizure mentioned time reason seizure neurologist basically negated idea episode similar nature scratching head normal understand happen person seizure waiting thinking good large group experience kind thing members medical community loathe admit importance diet foods play general health guess worried sick ideas wordy wanted sharon paulson paulson nasa nasa langley research center bldg mailstop work hampton virginia home 
sensitivity superstition organization flames lines nntp posting host calamari article jchen bellcore writes chinese asians japanese koreans flavor enhancer thousand years knew make chemical processes extracted natural food food meat broth fuel flame read years natural extracted sources mention reported aftereffects nasty artificial extracted coal chinese restaurant syndrome find pretty hard heard andrew 
science methodology homeopathy tradition organization university rochester article ccreegan uncecs charles creegan writes kekule infamous derivation idea benzene rings daydream snakes fire biting tails specific count turns repeatedly basic phil texts inventive component hypothesizing demolished myth robert scott root bernstein book discovering ring structures benzene proposed kekule time current models resemble kekule predecessors kekule structure resemble modern model extra scientific phrase discussion boundaries science proposed definiens extra rational phrase fact number cases extra rational considerations driving science direction pasteur discovered racemic acid mixture enantiomers origin stereochemistry partly friend crank theory chemical action friend wrong pasteur discovery stood prior investigator mitscherlich phenomenon missed crucial detail lacked pasteur motivation find distinguished racemic acid tartaric tartaric acid pasteur discovered differential fermentation enantiomers tartaric acid rational conviction produce yeast lived tartaric acid notebooks contained fantasies newton mirror image life admitted publically discovery carries genes avery started work students ardent anglophile francophobe canadian defended fred griffiths discoveries mice griffiths critics french decided issue student avery told replicate griffiths work vitro student eventually avery convinced started research program years produced famous discovery avery macleod mccarty mark fulk university rochester computer science department fulk rochester 
update lyme reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article brenner columbia carl brenner writes ulterior motive easy physicians call lyme treat money involved bringing understand financially physician ahead treat physician investment involved kickback scheme home infusion company financial gain doctor based experience general practitioner training infectious diseases establishing links lyme community treating patients wondering lyme decided lyme diseases spirochetal lyme giving talks meetings users groups validating feelings delusional patients mill lots patients hospital expensive infusions monitoring office making lots bread adulation hope cure control publications support groups definite temptation gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
water supplies vulnerable milwaukee type disease outbreak organization node public access unix lines press release natural resources defense council data show major water supplies vulnerable milwaukee type disease outbreak national desk environment writer contact erik olson sarah silver natural resources defense council washington april internal data released today natural resources defense council reveals large water systems serving cities boston francisco filter remove disease carrying organisms leaving communities potentially vulnerable disease outbreak similar affecting milwaukee list attached internal documents reveal safety water supplies american cities threatened inadequate pollution controls filtration erik olson senior attorney nrdc water contamination problem bangladesh problem bozeman boston june large surface water systems list breaking safe drinking water requires surface water systems filter water fully protect rivers lakes pollution olson continued systems moving 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science methodology homeopathy tradition organization dept university texas austin lines distribution inet nntp posting host utexas article ccreegan uncecs charles creegan writes kekule infamous derivation idea benzene rings daydream snakes fire biting tails specific count turns repeatedly basic phil texts inventive component hypothesizing question extra scientific long time proposed restrictions ideas order considered legitimate hypotheses point short hypotheses speculation science wild flights fancy daydreams ancient traditions modern quackery russell 
exercise migraine nntp posting host pegasus organization northern telecom mountain view lines talking migraine exercise fathom thought exercise migraine turning thread played tennis lunch hour tennis shape intense exercise overheated dehydrated noticed tingling sensation head hours feel migraine start continued drink water afternoon cafergot pain started intense night pain subsided time migraine occur exercise wondering experience triggers migraine situation heat buildup dehydration giving tennis shape play high noon prevent janet jakstys uucp ames mcdcup ntmtv janet northern telecom internet janet view 
erythromycin organization university california diego lines nntp posting host jeeves ucsd erythromycin effective treating pneumonia 
chronic sinus antibiotics keywords sinus antibiotics antibacterial nntp posting host oahu ucla organization ucla computer science department distribution lines nose culture shows staph ceftin ceclor suprax kill staph treating bacterial infections involves fail infections involve multiple organisms resistant strains hemophilus influenza strains resistant works organisms work experimenting colby 
sensitivity superstition organization berkeley lines distribution world nntp posting host zion berkeley article carl caltech writes food additive gelatin capsules reaction becasue sensory response element creation reaction bogus medical researchers thought obvious fact means placebo effect researchers carl placebo effect hypothesised sensory response effect flavor responsible reaction steve 
diet works great organization university mexico albuquerque lines nntp posting host carina gordon banks back morbid obesity cycle success depends large fluctuations cycle people cycle pounds describes situation perfectly constant dynamic tendency appears totally limitless purely conscious desire weight diet exercise varying degrees success extra weight cycle range smaller larger cycles occur afraid method stop working someday able hold weight gain check reason hard time accepting notion metabolic derangement cycle dieting results long term weight gain cycle dieting years change vigorous exercise program long keeping cycles smaller baseline weight brian 
eugenics reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines years type eugenics sooner mapping human genome start work manipulation genome genetic engineering able insert genes breeding hybrids ethical question make race disease free long lived arnold schwartzenegger muscled supermen gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
homeopathy respectable medical tradition reply procida organization computing university kent canterbury lines nntp posting host eagle article pitt gordon banks writes accepted scientists people country waste time money quackery britain scandanavia worked paid countries told person care worried start putting health money homeopathy knowing reason posted place homeopathy britain homeopathy national health service homeopathic practices true false important documented investigations homeopathic principles reading book homeopathy weekend turned section principles homeopathic medicine paragraphs informed homeopaths feel obliged provide sort explanation author stated pride sort virtue sceptical homeopathy narrow minded bigot homeopathy witch doctory daniele 
science methodology homeopathy tradition organization microsoft corporation lines sasghm gary merrill writes dgbt grusec writes gary extra scientific imply hypothesis generation cases extremely closely tied state knowledge scientific area meant scientific logic involved process inductive deductive puzzled proposed distinction scientific logic inductive logic point clue extra scientific times idea trace prior theories concepts knowledge fairly common observation grins genuine examples grins kekule hypothesized resonant structure aromatic benzene ring waking dream snake swallowing tail archimedes formalized principle buoyancy meditating bath case connection prior theories concepts stipulated intuitive leap current thinking develop ideas subsequently proved predictive power stood test experimental verification pardon kibbutzing 
science methodology homeopathy tradition originator sasghm distribution inet nntp posting host theseus organization institute lines article turpin utexas russell turpin writes article ccreegan uncecs charles creegan writes kekule infamous derivation idea benzene rings daydream snakes fire biting tails specific count turns repeatedly basic phil texts inventive component hypothesizing question extra scientific long time proposed restrictions ideas order considered legitimate hypotheses point short hypotheses speculation science wild flights fancy daydreams ancient traditions modern quackery russell typically wild flight fancy serves serve relation hypothesis interesting challanged provide sort kekule surely apparently regarded extreme rational process science successful hypothesis proposed rational hope explain kekule daydream snakes fire biting tails surely daydream special perceived analogy geometry snakes problems geometry molecules analogical reasoning extra scientific heart science perice notion abduction models disciplines close examination rational mystical leap taking place closer formal incomplete analogy model gary merrill principal systems developer compiler development institute campus cary sasghm mcnc sasghm 
emphysema question organization virginia public education network radford lines assistance brand patches brands melissa mmatusev time find pleasing thing wanting logical true spock stonn 
science methodology organization dept university texas austin lines distribution inet nntp posting host utexas article lady uhcc hawaii lady writes difference nobel prize level scientist mediocre scientist quality empirical methodology depends quality thinking bothers graduate students science conducting empirical studies offended russell turpin repeated assertion science amounts avoiding mistakes simply avoiding mistakes lady talking cross purposes lady concerned contrast great science makes advances knowledge mediocre science makes smaller steps thread concerned difference science lady correct asserts difference einstein average post physicist quality thought difference einstein genius great scientist great thoughts scientifically screwy give velikovsky korzybski examples choose difference mediocre physicist mediocre proponent einstein mediocre physcists disciplined work cumulative knowledge previous researchers wrong velikovsky mediocre proponent failed approach direction asked review paper journal conference kinds criticism make kind criticism work wrong misinformed kind criticism work technically correct important interesting difference pointing difference lady discussing good empirical research showed merit homeopathic remedies valuable information homeopathy qualifies science disagree turpin pointed homeopathy considered scientific needed test theoretical claims proposed remedies similarly suspect traditional chinese medicine remedies work lacks experiment tests presence order science theoretical structure makes sense mere collection empirically validated random hypotheses theoretical structure makes sense goal areas wrong forming testing smaller hypotheses face wait einstein make clear einstein plug make small amounts progress russell 
science methodology homeopathy tradition originator sasghm nntp posting host theseus organization institute lines article fulk rochester mark fulk writes extra scientific phrase discussion boundaries science proposed definiens extra rational phrase fact number cases extra rational considerations driving science direction yeah problem holding extra rational examples exemplars refutations founded methodology smack unuseful directions lysenko extra rational cases curiosities guides methodology gary merrill principal systems developer compiler development institute campus cary sasghm mcnc sasghm 
chronic sinus antibiotics organization university maryland lines distribution nntp posting host athens keywords sinus antibiotics antibacterial swab inside nose bacitracin bacitracin antibiotic bought ointment tube doctor listen radio apply days taking antibiotics mouth 
sensitivity superstition reply dougb comm organization motorola land mobile products sector nntp posting host lines article david micro david thomas writes cnavarro calpoly claire writes thing monosodium glutamate sensitivity times sunday scientists testified advisory panel complaints sensitivity superstition experience contrary remember issue couple times called chinese restaurant syndrome chinese cuisine dozen posts anecdotal evidence facts suspect strong psychological effect work results scientific study double blind trials anecdotal story picky eater wanted chinese food finally order time heard chinese restaurant syndrome group restaurant shared dishes taste great decided home early woke puked guts outs threw long kidding pulled muscle tongue heaves sick allergic suffice wont chinese restaurant physically threatened smell food makes psycholgical reaction dragged suffer beef broccoli sauces insist sick doug bank private systems division dougb comm motorola communications sector dougb schaumburg illinois dougb acns 
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science methodology homeopathy tradition originator sasghm nntp posting host theseus organization institute lines article tomca carey writes grins kekule hypothesized resonant structure aromatic benzene ring waking dream snake swallowing tail archimedes formalized principle buoyancy meditating bath archimedes case description observing phenomena bath accurate meditating bath buoyancy intense environment gary merrill principal systems developer compiler development institute campus cary sasghm mcnc sasghm 
sensitivity superstition nntp posting host wind bellcore reply jchen bellcore organization bell communications research lines article dougb doug bank writes woke puked guts outs threw long kidding pulled muscle tongue heaves sick allergic funny thing personaly stories reactions vary greatly heart beat speeded flush face claim heart skipped beats reacted headache stomach ache watery eyes running nose itchy skin rashes accusations include respiration difficulty brain damage vomiting guess number suspect problem case food poisoning heard things jason chen 
sensitivity superstition organization lines distribution world nntp posting host mania berkeley article dougb doug bank writes anecdotal story picky eater wanted chinese food finally order time heard chinese restaurant syndrome group restaurant shared dishes taste great decided home early woke puked guts outs threw long kidding pulled muscle tongue heaves sick allergic suffice wont chinese restaurant physically threatened smell food makes psycholgical reaction dragged suffer beef broccoli sauces insist sick similar reaction chinese food completly conclusion eaten chinese food ages problems chinese malaysian friends swanky chinses rest ordered lots stuff thing remember meal scallops served shell type sauce thought scallops sick coincidence night bathroom floor sweating emptying stomach hard decided touch scallop allergic chance mossman 
exercise migraine article adobe organization adobe systems incorporated lines article janet janet jakstys writes time migraine occur exercise wondering experience triggers migraine situation heat buildup dehydration giving tennis shape play high noon prevent migraines exercise related exercising eaten recently sherri nichols snichols 
science methodology organization purdue university statistics department distribution inet lines article turpin utexas russell turpin writes article lady uhcc hawaii lady writes difference nobel prize level scientist mediocre scientist quality empirical methodology depends quality thinking lady correct asserts difference einstein average post physicist quality thought difference einstein genius great scientist great thoughts scientifically screwy wrong case famous physicist telling wrong recall quote ideas crazy crazy typical screwball screwy herman rubin dept statistics purdue univ west lafayette phone hrubin stat purdue internet bitnet purdue snap stat hrubin uucp 
science methodology homeopathy tradition organization university rochester article sasghm gary merrill writes article fulk rochester mark fulk writes extra scientific phrase discussion boundaries science proposed definiens extra rational phrase fact number cases extra rational considerations driving science direction yeah problem holding extra rational examples exemplars refutations founded methodology smack unuseful directions lysenko extra rational cases curiosities guides methodology noted distinction motivation method experimental result accepted sufficient detail replicated replications reproduce result theoretical argument accepted presented sufficient detail reasonable knowlegeable people agree force logic people experiments pursue arguments sorts crazy reasons irrational motivations curiousities large part history science couple negative points make theory conceivably accepted direct verification existence quarks accepted part standard model physics direct verification needed theory based predicted medical reality alternatives central theoretical claim forever experiment long sufficient body experimental data theory predicted hold breath waiting triumph coherent theory based theory explains modern biology hard imagine theory predict directly verifying existence science historically progressed sort rational experiment data theory sequence experiments carried interpreted existing theoretical frameworks theoretical controversies determine experiments huge messy affair personal jealousies crazy motivations petty hatreds determines experiments computations forward critical function science results count replicated system sort mechanism generate test generate part totally irrational long test part works properly pasteur chemical activity crystals mitscherlich agree racemic acid crystals handed separate handedness chemicals rotate polarized light opposite directions rotating version indistinguishable tartaric acid pasteur irrational motivation replicable important result lysenko creationists fail produced coherent theories predict theories predict contradicted experiment concede point modify theories suppress results lysenko divert attention evidence supports position creationists mark fulk university rochester computer science department fulk rochester 
crohn disease organization gastroenterology lines article kxaec david watters wrote dear crohn disease sufferer interested current research subject investigation spare details fistulas ileostomy cure horizon medical profession reply plain speak prefer mailed direct chance read news advance dave group informed crohn colitis foundation america similar organization address ccfa ccfa park avenue south floor york information number newsletters good luck steve 
eugenics organization netcom online communication services guest lines article pitt gordon banks writes make race disease free long lived arnold schwartzenegger muscled supermen long make 
science methodology homeopathy tradition originator lehr austin distribution inet organization austin lines gary merrill writes wild flight fancy serves serve relation hypothesis interesting challanged provide sort kekule surely apparently regarded extreme rational process science successful hypothesis proposed rational extreme connection kekule problem fortunate extraordinary receive conjure solutions hypotheses solutions everyday problems moments occupied activities removed algorithms software feature trample meadow occasional runs alternative ways instruct rear sons arrive weed garden swear thinking ideas ideas stuff great discoveries connecting problems fraught deliberation occasional fits rationality surely daydream kekule special perceived analogy geometry snakes problems geometry molecules lucky colorful vivid image alas figure returning worms loose soil garden brought count objects count mind year fledging arithmetic skills close examination rational mystical leap taking place closer formal incomplete analogy model worms wiggling dirt fascinate lehr thoughts opinions questions future systems technology group internet lehr austin austin 
science methodology homeopathy tradition summary wrong question fundamental error keywords science errors turpin organization university hawaii mathematics dept expires lines avoiding mistakes highly desirable widely acknowledged perfectionism inimicable creativity ordinary life perfectionism carried point indicative psychological disorder extreme case perfectionist paralyzed mistakes make unable leave house science discover truth world certainty discoveries trade desiderata search scope search certainty century mathematicians demanded total rigor newton leibniz calculus today explain calculus made sense lacked concept limit fact lack rigorous foundation made number errors calculus hundred years weistrass able give solid grounding ideas newton leibniz nonetheless newton leibniz undoubtedly science mathematics gained great deal application important ideas lost mistakes made article king dick king writes writes doubt einstein formal methodology proposed numerous experiments performed distinguish universe special relativity holds einstein played rules demand hypotheses exists specific experiment disprove rules post psychology posters supported carefully designed controlled studies science extreme attitude empirical studies ideas results complete stultification science thing insistence elaborate expensive methodology results sort scientific trade unionism establishment lacking institutional corporate support chance obtain hearing intention arbiters scientific methodology nonetheless results institutional science produced wonderful results foolish arrogance scientists establishment perfect empirical methodology worthwhile bucks approach science promotes significant errors science choosing investigate questions readily handled fashionable methodology readily institutional corporate sponsorship directing attention questions fundamental significance instance questions easily investigated statistical methods relevant factors quantitative argue case questions areas psychology opinion perusal papers resulting attempt psychologists force questions statistical framework russell turpin assertion current scientific methods avoid errors wrong question fundamental error science ignoring potentially valuable ideas scientific journals full studies impeccable empirical methods worthless wrong question asked place arguments behaviorists cognitivists psychology science collection competing religious sects lady uhcc hawaii lady bitnet 
exercise migraine nntp posting host findog organization interleaf lines article janet janet jakstys writes played tennis lunch hour tennis shape intense exercise overheated dehydrated noticed tingling sensation head hours feel migraine start continued drink water afternoon cafergot pain started intense night pain subsided time migraine occur exercise wondering experience triggers migraine situation heat buildup dehydration giving tennis shape play high noon prevent janet sounds mine circumstance onset symptoms cafergot uselessness duration fact people migraines similar wide variation people respect headaches generally bother sharing learned mine alike observations heat winter summer dehydration conceivably figure tanking playing shape identified factors make difference listed descending order importance heavy exercise sleep deprivation fasting skipped breakfast physical trauma head bonk heavy exercise preceded post adolescent migraines migraines heavy exercise session factors present discovered migraine free relapsing years cocky long anymore stop careful hope helpful john 
erythromycin organization university pittsburgh lines article wsun ucsd fiberman writes erythromycin effective treating pneumonia effective fact drug choice uncomplicated cases community acquired penumonia kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit programmer 
emphysema question organization university pittsburgh lines article mmatusev melissa matusevich writes assistance brand patches brands brands head nicotrol nicoderm habitrol fourth kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit programmer 
psoriatic arthritis info needed originator organization citibank ibism lines friend mine diagnosed psoriatic arthritis result trauma sustained accident years psoriasis control arthritis part illness ansaid steroidal anti inflammatory worked pretty years helping friend taking meclomen nsaid helping control pain past months friend started taking azulfadine nsaid medicines effects combined drugs supposed realized months result pain friend problems sleeping staying position long ordeal major contributor pain tendonitis developed left thumb hand numbness base palm bottom feet shoulders outer thighs tendonitis painful friend doctor recommended form treatment relieve latest twist doctor dropped anti inflammatories recommending prednisone hope prednisone relieve pain tendonitis friend year male feels words mine aware treatments psoriatic arthritis alternative courses action support groups literature extremely grateful mail interested post summary newsgroup advance donna citib 
erythromycin organization beth israel hospital harvard medical school boston mass lines nntp posting host enterprise harvard article wsun ucsd fiberman writes erythromycin effective treating pneumonia depends pneumonia treating bacterial pneumonia young healthy smokers erythromycin considered antibiotic choice covers common pathogens strep pneumoniae mycoplasma pneumoniae david rind rind harvard 
sensitivity superstition organization utah state university lines article jchen bellcore jason chen writes article dougb doug bank writes woke puked guts outs threw long kidding pulled muscle tongue heaves sick allergic funny thing personaly stories reactions vary greatly heart beat speeded flush face claim heart skipped beats reacted headache stomach ache watery eyes running nose itchy skin rashes accusations include respiration difficulty brain damage vomiting guess number suspect problem case food poisoning heard things surprise surprise people react differently things slightly subject case point brother stung allergic stings reaction severe localized swelling anaphylactic shock convince doctors written rule book surprised find people reactions including headaches stomachaches vomiting stuff poison banned people aware effect people lone wolf happy dream dreams philips price true slyx unknown 
sensitivity superstition organization mass general hospital cipr lines article meltsner writes call double blind local restaurant soup provokes impressive migraine headache wife unisual quote chinese restaurant syndrome transient syndrome arterial dilatation ingestion monosodium glutamate liberally seasoning chinese food characterized throbbing head lightheadedness tightness neck shoulders bachache quote source dorland illustrated medical dictionary edition saunders long brain produces naturally doses served chinese places enhance flavor enoughf miss chinese places order food goos places prerequisite service waiter capable understanding good luck alexander milshteyn cipr boston 
science methodology homeopathy tradition organization computrac richardson lines article ccreegan uncecs charles creegan writes kekule infamous derivation idea benzene rings daydream snakes fire biting tails specific count turns repeatedly basic phil texts inventive component hypothesizing kekule dream influenced aromatic solvent vapors neal howard computrac richardson neal lonestar disclaimer opinions mine computrac learn dream gentlemen learn truth august kekule 
back machine update organization university nebraska lincoln lines distribution nntp posting host unlinfo back machine january found panacea back pain helped acts stretch muscles back prevent spasms pain taking pain medication previously folks back technologies reluctant honor return policy extended warranty period return machine month thrilled encouraged continue abeit vigourously cure stretched pain dale webb body water veterinary diagnostic center drowning university nebraska lincoln 
centrifuge organization middletown newsreader version distribution lines blue digex wrote explain centrifuge vaguely remembre spins test tubes fast remember youd purely recreational bored sitting rack time smile learn lawyer office opinions cost 
diet works great organization omen technology portland rain forest lines article bhjelle writes gordon banks back morbid obesity cycle success depends large fluctuations cycle people cycle pounds describes situation perfectly constant dynamic tendency appears totally limitless purely conscious desire weight diet exercise varying degrees success extra weight cycle range smaller larger cycles occur afraid method stop working someday able hold weight gain check reason hard time accepting notion metabolic derangement cycle dieting results long term weight gain cycle dieting years change mentioned adiposity experience weight rebound fact prove happen chuck forsberg tektronix reed omen author ymodem zmodem professional zcomm omen technology high reliability software sauvie portland 
yeast infections organization purdue university computing center distribution lines article noring noring writes article tammy vandenboom tammy vandenboom writes potentially stupid question possibly wrong news group yeast infections spread kind symptoms similar women yeast infection husband natural paranoid good catch symptoms answer expand personal experience yeast infections nasty time time area scrotum base penis dangerous women goddamn hurt summertime wintertime sweat uncomfy thing control weight cool shorts degree weather kind thing occasional lost 
cystic breast disease organization sybase lines diagnosed cystic breast disease relief lump cancer doctor caffeine chocolate months stopping estrogen taking menopause related reasons thrilled gave cigarettes pleasures left thought heard cystic breasts common health risk accurate told make sacrifices treat deal information chris black note mailer garble subject lines 
endometriosis organization concert connect public access unix lines give information endometriosis heard common disease women provide names specialist surgeon north carolina research triangle park area raleigh durham chapel hill familiar condition naomi naomi courter network services specialist mcnc center communications concert network 
migraines scans organization university wisconsin claire lines reply pitt gordon banks ordering imaging patient benign headache syndrome hear magic avoid rude suppose made decision back bullied studies patient accept explanation study waste time money suggest opinion david nyeda uwec midelfort clinic claire patently absurd wishes philosopher learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell 
klonopin pregnancy distribution world organization invention factory york city reply zisfein zisfein lines adwright woman tapering klonopin benzodiazopines taking minimal dose half tablet pregnant question cases klonopin similar drug caused harmful effects fetus cases mother klonopin similar substance normal baby information appreciated feel sort risk taking month pregnancy klonopin physician desk reference proven teratogen isolated case reports malformations impossible establish effect relationships overwhelming majority women klonopin pregnant normal babies slmr mail zisfein zisfein 
infant immune development question nntp posting host mizzou missouri organization university missouri lines animal science student number animals transfer immunoglobin thier young thier milk fact calf sufficient amount colostrum early milk hours effectively develop immune system hours intestines open passage question apply human infants degree time responding matthew keeler missouri 
sensitivity superstition organization wide field planetary camera lines distribution world reply carl caltech nntp posting host caltech article slyx writes surprise surprise people react differently things slightly subject case point brother stung allergic stings reaction severe localized swelling anaphylactic shock convince doctors written rule book venom single chemical brother reacting component anaphylactic shock people similarly chinese food ingredients eats lots ingredients consume immediately conclude negative reaction surprised find people reactions including headaches stomachaches vomiting surprised reactions ingredients carl lydick internet carl caltech hepnet carl disclaimer understand vaxen paid understanding astronomy purely amateur level directly related hold organization responsible related hold responsible organization 
yeast infections organization open systems solutions lines distribution nntp posting host ossi noring noring writes article tammy vandenboom tammy vandenboom writes potentially stupid question possibly wrong news group yeast infections spread kind symptoms similar women yeast infection husband natural paranoid good catch symptoms answer expand recently posted account posted tasteless gross details emphasized actual scientific facts 
treatment question organization university washington lines nntp posting host carson washington eulenbrg washington julia eulenberg writes assuming rheumatoid arthritis heard cold treatment mentioned imagine work arthr problems cold weather warm weather interested hear talking research assistants favor high protein diet barely adequate salary fixed time schedule hours sleep night continuous infusion latte unpredictable praise mixed randomly anxiety provoking everpresent glances lowered eyebrows unrealistic promises rapid publication months dinner consisting microbrewery free pretzels mine hails diego problems seattle cold weather warm doug fitts dfitts washington 
wear contacts keywords radial keratotomy contact lenses organization california polytechnic state university luis obispo lines love comment contact lenses option remaining correction possibly interresting applies correction involvement corneal depth depth difference thought proceedures simmilar exception laser cutting tool understanding differences vision considered clear surgery glasses completly attributable intentional slight undercorrection compensated glasses contacts worn afterall important case consequence surgery interfere clear vision thing mind fogging lense glasses daniel field infospunj lowly phlebe dfield calpoly biochemistry biotechnology phlebottom california polytechnic state medical totem pole 
left side pains organization university basel switzerland lines write kind desperate weeks suffering pains left head side left left made tests computer tomography negative lyme borreliosis negative electrolytes blood correct range healthy matter fact feeling neurologist considered healthy blood tests shown hemoglobin common range units hemi sided pains result block neck muscles fever feeling sick healthy answer direct email hint nico 
sarchoidosis distribution world organization infamy reply nigel demon newsreader simple news lines sarchoidosis mortem desease tooke desease kill people died sarcoid fatal treatable gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender suffering sarcoidosis present shown chronic rare tissue disorder thankfully life threatening worsed thing happen treated sufferer glaucoma specialists bombarding prednisolone cortico steriod months totally enlarged lymph glands somethings happening good cheers nigel nigel ballard nigel demon mexican food bournemouth radio guinness united kingdom amazing wires tall skinny women penguins walking iceberg penguin turns penguin wearing tuxedo penguin turns penguin 
sensitivity superstition organization private computer totowa lines article reynold brandeis susan reynold writes scientists biased food industry article long interested posting neuroscientist told neurotoxin labs kill neurons mice rats vitamin vitamin strong amounts kill words dosage exposure mechanism kenneth reply njit elaborate simulation running device sitting table picard 
pointer info long shot distribution world organization hebrew university jerusalem lines article regis donovan writes long shot hell full people strange knowledge suggestions causing health problems relatives cousins health problems life gynecological problems early twenties blind eyes producing moisture mass doctors clue actual apparently eyedrops completely blind massively deteriorated sjogren syndrome induce dryness vaginal tissue induce primary biliary cirrhosis abdominal swelling complication sjogren pseudolymphoma produce splenomegaly enlarged spleen rheumatologist mention skin disorder anemia joint pain rule erythema nodosum scleroderma josh backon huji related abdomen stomach swelled stomach organ stomach area body guess step battery tests check internal systmes eyes source large amounts bizarre knowledge heard suggestions things knowledge state hand regis zonker 
science methodology homeopathy tradition originator sasghm nntp posting host theseus organization institute lines article fulk rochester mark fulk writes science historically progressed sort rational experiment data theory sequence experiments carried interpreted existing theoretical frameworks theoretical controversies determine experiments huge messy affair personal jealousies crazy motivations petty hatreds determines experiments computations forward critical function science results count replicated system sort mechanism generate test generate part totally irrational long test part works properly agree paragraphs repeat uncritically standard kuhn lakatos feyerabend view progress rationality science addressed issues newsgroup distant past wrong observation explicitly impression fact hold view common correct approach scientist follow flights fancy scheming basis jealousies petty hatreds implicitly advances position sciences forward clear means context occurs generating completely rational random plethora hypotheses theories weeded critical function science critical function subject rational forces mystery experimental design hypotheses creation theory construction subject jealousies petty hatreds equally true application critical function replication leads feyerabend view true generation part totally irrational typically anecdotes instances hypothesis resulted dream political views simply generalize actual history science gary merrill principal systems developer compiler development institute campus cary sasghm mcnc sasghm 
seeking advice experience back problem organization anesthesiology lines distribution world nntp posting host useragent nuntius xxdate article janet cooper jmcooper writes mother friend mine experiencing disabling back pain mris scans doctors visits presented alternatives live pain undergo risky operation leave paralyzed symptoms pain weel seek advice good multi disciplinary pain clinic distressing people stll told live pain options pain management treating findings good pain clinic accept lady problem pain finding ways relieveing mackie opinions anesthesiology disavow 
options back surgery protruding disc organization anesthesiology lines distribution world nntp posting host useragent nuntius xxdate subject options back surgery protruding disc alex miller amiller date article alex miller amiller writes weeks limping acute pain back osteopath revealed protruding extruded disc neurosurgeon prescribed prednisole steroidal anti inflamitory rest days week feel slightly worse darvocet times deal daily activities preparing food sleep neurosurgeon tomorrow rest helpful surgery step surgical options goal resume full activity including competitive cycling condition opinion result commulative wear tear chronic back pain years managed symptoms pain numbness weakness bladder problems suggest surgery pain symptom find reputable multi disciplinary pain clinic area chronic back pain generally surgery acute chronic pain symptom fare correlation findings symptoms controversial mackie opinions disavow 
doctor organization distribution keywords francisco lines kind half watching street stories night segments doctor service investigating treatment diseases pretty mark renniger close watch correct address phone number 
sensitivity superstition organization code nasa goddard space flight center lines article milsh harvard alex milshteyn writes long brain produces naturally doses served chinese places enhance flavor enoughf miss chinese places order food goos places wanted point food soups prepared batch restaurant able pretty hard find case alexander milshteyn cipr boston david considine gsfc nasa 
yeast infections organization computing services division university wisconsin milwaukee lines distribution nntp posting host article jkis rochester beave writes folks yeast infection male husband treat cure infection intercourse condom forms sexual release handjobs cured imagine wanting intercourse full blown yeast infection chances transmitted male circumcised happen point recurrent yeast infections suspected boyfriend reinfecting prescription interesting medication week insert medication intercourse resulting action medicine spread simultaneously treat 
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hypoglycemia organization fermi national accelerator laboratory batavia lines distribution world nntp posting host adcs fnal keywords bloodcount dangerous bloodcount diagnosed hypoglycemic dangerous pancreatic problem specialty negligent blood test good diet worked hypo glycemic anthony anello fermilab batavia illinois 
sensitivity superstition organization carleton university ottawa canada lines article david micro david thomas writes article packer gsfc nasa charles packer writes thing monosodium glutamate sensitivity times sunday scientists testified advisory panel complaints sensitivity superstition experience contrary remember issue couple times called chinese restaurant syndrome chinese cuisine dozen posts anecdotal evidence facts suspect strong psychological effect work results scientific study double blind trials check posts missed amidst flurry responses newsgroup hampered people restricting posts matters substantial knowledge cites john olney toxicologist studied effects brain development undisputed literature excitotoxic food additive major constituent glutamate essentially premierie neurotransmitter mammalian brain humans included diet system thrown glutamate aspartate excitotoxin small amounts freely foods amounts added industry amounts encountered single food eating lots junk food packaged soups diet soft drinks jack blood levels high sensitivity compounds suffer numerous real physi logical effects read olney review paper prog brain check sources impecable dispute dianne murray wcsbeau carleton 
science methodology homeopathy tradition organization university rochester article sasghm gary merrill writes article fulk rochester mark fulk writes wrong observation explicitly impression fact hold view common correct approach scientist follow flights fancy scheming basis jealousies petty hatreds flights fancy irrational approaches common crucial thing fantasies make experiments scientists fantasies lead creative work admit loud fantasy prior consumption beers simple warren jelinek noticed extremely heavy band electrophoresis human fragments excited hoping essential part control mechanism eukaryotic genes fantasy sequence samples band carry binding assays result conserved sequence occurs times human genome warren fantasy turns transposon present copies replicates copies back genome hand characteristics transposons elucidated necessity cellular reverse transcriptase recognized standard method recognizing human created species sets transposons fortunately warren dinner fridays time implicitly advances position sciences forward clear means context occurs generating completely rational random plethora hypotheses theories weeded critical function science random rational mechanism generating rich interesting hypotheses working unknown area sense true circumstances thing follow instincts wrong find find experiments random prior conceptions mind critical function subject rational forces mystery critical function hostage rational forces varieties pathological science lysenko mirsky opposition gene cold fusion experimental design hypotheses creation theory construction subject jealousies petty hatreds equally true application critical function replication leads feyerabend view agree fact point disagree feyerabend important part culture science jealousies refereeing process failures aplenty things work point couple senses phrase experimental design rational part experimental choice design alexander fleming proc royal chose bacteriophage mucus strange reasons phage previously found locust diarrhea fleming thought runny bottom runny nose hell worth method phage designed detect phage fact found lysozyme true generation part totally irrational typically anecdotes instances hypothesis resulted dream political views simply generalize actual history science clear rational irrational give examples surprising experiments perfectly rational reasons interesting theories advanced logical grounds main examples modern high energy physics typical science mark fulk university rochester computer science department fulk rochester 
sensitivity superstition organization service lines nntp posting host hpctdkz jason chen writes vomiting guess number suspect problem case food poisoning heard things yeah read part quoted left part thing things complain people blame automatically unknown equally unreasonable defend automatically assuming culprit pepper makes sneeze affect fine wrong people condemning chinese food chen optional ingredients personally 
wear contacts keywords radial keratotomy contact lenses organization ircam paris france lines article dfield calpoly infospunj field writes love comment contact lenses option remaining correction possibly interresting applies suggest doctor contacts mine contacts scars preclude contacts correction involvement corneal depth depth difference thought proceedures simmilar exception laser cutting tool understanding differences makes radial cuts circumference cornea change curvature cornea stress chages vaporizes burns thin layer front cornea making optical axis shorter laser vaporizes vision considered clear surgery glasses completly attributable intentional slight undercorrection compensated glasses contacts worn afterall important case consequence surgery interfere clear vision thing mind fogging lense glasses find vision clear things clear night notice definite haloing night darkness automobile headlamps spend inordinate amounts time ordinary things vision fully operating peripheral vision clearer glasses contacts jojo fresh clean speaking live today american american 
science methodology homeopathy tradition organization university rochester distribution inet article sasghm gary merrill writes hope explain kekule daydream snakes fire biting tails surely daydream special perceived analogy geometry snakes problems geometry molecules analogical reasoning extra scientific heart science perice notion abduction models disciplines close examination rational mystical leap taking place closer formal incomplete analogy model feel repeat kekule dream read root bernstein book history benzene ring mark fulk university rochester computer science department fulk rochester 
sensitivity superstition article reed organization reed college portland lines article carl caltech writes article slyx writes surprise surprise people react differently things slightly subject case point brother stung allergic stings reaction severe localized swelling anaphylactic shock convince doctors written rule book venom single chemical brother reacting component anaphylactic shock people hmm time stung experienced reaction poster brother doctor worry fact foot times normal size itched basically time sting allergy tended aclimatized time progressively worse generally time time anaphylactic shock admittedly years young make stung carry sting scientific proof lead reaction degree reaction allergies work people reactions sort diabetes people monitoring diet monitor diet insulin watch diet hawk insulin regularly similar people allergic reactions people allergic fermented things sauce chinese centuries necessarily safe johanna turner 
chronic sinus antibiotics keywords sinus antibiotics antibacterial nntp posting host pcdehp organization calvin college distribution lines article georgec george clark writes swab inside nose bacitracin bacitracin antibiotic bought ointment tube doctor listen radio apply days taking antibiotics mouth doctor gave prescription today called septra problems sensitive stomach begin antibiotic good suggestions avoiding upset stomach tips phil haan honda nature executive america rely people donald fehr executive director major league baseball players association 
sensitivity superstition organization center reliable high performance computing university illinois urbana champaign lines distribution world nntp posting host uicsl uiuc carl caltech carl lydick writes venom single chemical brother reacting component anaphylactic shock people similarly chinese food ingredients eats lots ingredients consume immediately conclude negative reaction arghh read memos personally people order exact food times restaurant people ordered food time food time food time reaction time reaction time food difference restaurant ingredients eats lots ingredients consume immediately conclude negative reaction lots chinese food love chinese food learned food restaurants prepare food order food restaurant hold soup restaurant cooks reaction understand reaction reaction trouble understand words understand dictionary great secret successful marriage treat disasters incidents incidents disasters harold nicholson mary allison mary uiuc urbana illinois 
sensitivity superstition nntp posting host wind bellcore reply jchen bellcore organization bell communications research lines article chris writes jason chen writes vomiting guess number suspect problem case food poisoning heard things yeah read part quoted left part thing things food poisoning people share food complain people blame automatically unknown equally unreasonable defend automatically assuming culprit computer people logic culprit argued reasonable doubt convict convict show evidence quilty suspicion pepper makes sneeze affect fine wrong forcing change preach pepper makes sneeze anti activitiests people condemning chinese food chen optional ingredients personally people chen necessarily chinese restaurant interested enjoy chinese food exploiting discredit issue hitting belt interested truth give excert recent hearing evidence orally consumed glutamate effect brain richard wurtman massachusetts institute technology anecdotal experiences individuals superstition science glutamate made sick robert kenney george washington university conducted double blind test showing people reacted similar reaction thought contradicting personal stories told group anti emotion runs high blame purpose present balance view issue outnumbered jason chen 
wear contacts keywords radial keratotomy contact lenses article kestrel organization reasoning systems palo alto lines nntp posting host drums reasoning article dfield calpoly infospunj field writes love comment contact lenses option remaining correction possibly interresting applies correction involvement corneal depth depth difference myopia cornea curved bulge center laser removes small amount material center surgeon cuts incisions edge heal scarring reshapes cornea mechanisms action place 
sensitivity superstition organization wide field planetary camera lines distribution world reply carl caltech nntp posting host caltech article chris writes jason chen writes vomiting guess number suspect problem case food poisoning heard things yeah read part quoted left part thing things leads ingredient food made people condemning chinese food chen optional ingredients personally condemning ingredient evidence ingredient reacted carl lydick internet carl caltech hepnet carl disclaimer understand vaxen paid understanding astronomy purely amateur level directly related hold organization responsible related hold responsible organization 
prozac agilmet calstate adriana gilmete organization calif state univ electronic information services lines find information drug prozac writing report inventors lilly product adriana gilmete 
advice doctor patient relationship problem organization university southern california angeles lines nntp posting host advice situation occurred physican upset doctor problem recurring pain suggested medication treatment told call days begin medication monitor effectiveness general health asked made call reaching secretary explained doctor request worried pain episodes frequent medication effective doctor called back words make quick busy time chit chat told simply instructions call status feeling worse asked time talk time responded spit time good time raised voice started feel upset explain quickly condition nervousness interfered choice words kind stuttered mind talk colleagues medications call time doctor called evening express confused wanted point pretty upset told amazingly polite voice angry felt earlier manner hurt feelings told time patients thought wanted told assume calling insulting orders responded resented implication felt making interested learning patients condition status gave apology miscommunication mistakenly thought insulting insult knowledgeable pain time deal told call instructions deal pain medication upset called questions continue doctor manage care pain realize anxietous reacting overly sensitive doctor refers colleague type pain status condition afraid call marlena 
sore throat reply paul johnson organization marconi research centre great baddow lines article wsun ucsd fiberman writes sore throat week mirror flash light white plaques back throat sides health center throat culture strep throat viral infection white plaques sides throat doctor sounds tonsilitis swollen tonsils feel hinge swelling side find tonsilitis couple times past doctor prescribed weeks penicillin cleared case glandular fever viral infection point view resembled tonsilitis coming back year blood test conclusion doctor paul paul johnson ideas marconi research reputable idealist responsible opinions 
centrifuge organization beth israel hospital harvard medical school boston mass lines distribution nntp posting host enterprise harvard article lincroftnj robert feddeler writes explain centrifuge vaguely remembre spins test tubes fast remember youd purely recreational bored sitting rack time wrong purpose preserve substances tubes longer creating relativistic speeds time dilatation slowing subjective time test tubes bored thinking david rind rind harvard 
advice doctor patient relationship problem nntp posting host aisun organization programs university georgia athens lines sounds heart place adept expressing received meant profound apology apologies delivered overworked people michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio 
post fever rashes time organization microsystems view lines distribution world reply jimj ebay jones nntp posting host contractor ebay subject line time fever amazing rosy rash torso arms fortunately itch rash fever breaks matter illness cold started happening years moved current town severity persistance rash vary fever severe long lasting fever brings long lasting rash mild fever bring rashes faster causing embarassment curious carrying kind fever resistant wild fever knocks competition jones 
sensitivity superstition reply mossman berkeley message organization interviews allegro group stanford university lines article mossman berkeley mossman writes similar reaction chinese food completly conclusion eaten chinese food ages problems chinese malaysian friends swanky chinses rest ordered lots stuff thing remember meal scallops served shell type sauce thought scallops sick coincidence night bathroom floor sweating emptying stomach hard decided touch scallop allergic chance react scallops discomforts clam juice served american waterfront seafood bars juice homemade cans encounter chinese restaurant syndrome years hour soup collapsed chair face feeling puffed scalp tingling feet weak stand symptoms lasted minutes determined find reaction back chinese restuarant ordered dish thing happened quick inside kitchen revealed ordinary mild attack soup thai restuarant 
science methodology homeopathy tradition originator sasghm nntp posting host theseus organization institute lines article fulk rochester mark fulk writes flights fancy irrational approaches common crucial thing fantasies make experiments scientists fantasies lead creative work admit loud fantasy prior consumption beers simple warren jelinek noticed extremely heavy band electrophoresis human fragments excited hoping essential part control mechanism eukaryotic genes fantasy sequence samples band carry binding assays result conserved sequence characterize flight fancy fantasy unfamiliar scientific context appears obvious speculation lack neutral word significant part consequence knowledge acceptance current theory coupled observations rational attempted observation theory tailor theory cover observation call flight fancy fantasy clear rational irrational give examples surprising experiments perfectly rational reasons interesting theories advanced logical grounds main examples modern high energy physics typical science thread word extra scientific prepared give general account rationality terms examples danger beginning quibble surprising experiment counts surprising logical grounds point frequently frequently roots theory traced previously existing theories previously rejected hypotheses theory domain offer examples toricelli dome experiment sake hypothesis theory resulting experimental test surprising prior explanations phenomena involved counted theory constructed experiment designed perfectly rational grounds pretty successful theory fluids analogy fluids toricelli explicit novelty thinking fluid novelty time theory interesting argue extension existing theory domain begs questions debate gary merrill principal systems developer compiler development institute campus cary sasghm mcnc sasghm 
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endometriosis reply jfare waterloo fare distribution world organization imaging systems division corp waterloo canada lines article naomi concert naomi courter writes give information endometriosis heard common disease women provide names naomi endometriosis cells lining uteris exist uteris problems doesn generally remove pockets endometriosis causing problems lady endometriosis ovary caused great deal pain lady endometrial cyst abdominal wall removed american fertility society information maintain list physicians parts continent deal endometriosis reach american fertility society south suite birmingham alabama 
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sensitivity superstition organization dyer computer consulting cambridge lines article wcsbeau carleton opirg writes dozen posts anecdotal evidence facts suspect strong psychological effect work results scientific study double blind trials check posts hate break article numbers unique site meaning machines missed amidst flurry responses responses pointed double blind tests show chinese restaurant effect unique elicited placebo newsgroup hampered people restricting posts matters substantial knowledge youself read scientific paper apparently bizarrely cracked ideas substance human nutrition cites john olney toxicologist studied effects brain development undisputed literature excitotoxic food additive undisputed literature glutamate amino acid excitatory neurotransmitter evidence excessive release glutamate involved pathology conditions stroke drowning gehrig disease completely issue ubiquitous amino acid foods people receiving intra ventricular injections glutamate major constituent glutamate essentially premierie neurotransmitter mammalian brain humans included premier important diet system thrown effect humans demonstrated controlled studies infant mice models relevant matter hand favor things baby food patently ridiculous additive reason diet effects humans adversely glutamate aspartate excitotoxin small amounts freely foods amounts added industry amounts encountered single food wrong aspartate phenylalanine soft drink milligrams worth compare glass milk glutamate present protein foods compared added eating lots junk food packaged soups diet soft drinks jack blood levels high sensitivity compounds suffer numerous real physi logical effects notice subtle covering sensitivity disputing size class read olney review paper prog brain check sources impecable dispute impeccable dispute steve dyer dyer major spdcc harvard rayssd linus spdcc dyer 
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food related seizures organization summary seizures foods lines article paulson larc nasa sharon paulson writes posting group hopes finding network newsland heard similar describe fourteen year daugter experienced seizure november eating kellog frosted flakes perfectly healthy experienced history seizures side family tests negative decision made wait happened fine morning april bowl kellog frosted kind cereal fruit loops embarrassed admit bought junk pour bowl kind junk eating seizure minutes full blown seizures exposure sugar coated cereal seizure daughter epilepsy attend monthly parent support group wednesday night mother telling decided throw junk food made difference year seizures seizure week reported thursday seizure saturday weeks seizure easter grandma candy wanted seizure sees sensitivity nutrasweet sugar colors caffine corn corn nervous aggresive daughter sensitive stays foods candy prefers apple cookie chocolate toothpaste brother hand junk food addict hope helps good luck 
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food related seizures nntp posting host aisun organization programs university georgia athens lines told corn allergy fairly common wife exacerbated sugar eaten corn suppose person verge epilepsy allergic reaction seizure gordon michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio 
post polio syndrome information needed keith keith stewart organization actrix information exchange lines wife interested acquaintance post polio syndrome apparently recognised zealand symptons chest complaints treated separately anone information keith 
sensitivity superstition organization berkeley lines distribution world nntp posting host zion berkeley carl lydick condemning ingredient evidence ingredient reacted mass anectdotal evidence combined lack properly constructed scientific experiment disproving hypothesis makes reaction hypothesis explanation events steve 
hepatitis posted internews dartmouth organization dartmouth college hanover lines article russell sinclair russell sinclair writes worried knowing facts doctor stated things good carrier avoids questions subject steps plan advance eventualities informative post find russ infection eventuate chronic hepatitis subsequent cirrhosis patients chronic hepatitis occur good number mind hepatitis frequently leads chronic cirrhosis autimmune chronic hepatitis affects younger women leads cirrhosis cirrhosis unkind disease dangerous effects relate portal hypertension loss liver function patients develop life threatening variceal bleeds hepatic comas problems result disturbances hepatic circulation ominously exhibit effects hyperestrogenemia characterize patients cirrhosis effects include telangiactasias small skin lesions gynecomastia breast development real treatment cirrhosis liver transplant mind cirrhosis expected statistically friend case bring subject chronic disease cirrhosis doctor carefully explain sequelae infection offer support simon 
food related seizures distribution world organization invention factory york city reply zisfein zisfein lines paulson larc nasa sharon paulson describe fourteen year daugter experienced seizure november eating kellog frosted flakes fine morning april bowl kellog frosted kind cereal fruit loops mentioned time reason seizure neurologist basically negated idea episode similar nature scratching head data sugar coated cereals seizures anecdotal common eaten child adolescent doesn stuff relationship weird cereals brain concerned infantile metabolic disorders galactosemia sugar sugar coated cereal sprinkled cereal dissolved soda coffee interest years aspartame lowering seizure thresholds slmr mail zisfein zisfein 
migraine distribution world organization invention factory york city reply zisfein zisfein lines pitt gordon banks stop ordering hmos tests ordered overbroad statement hmos fees tests subtracted doctor income including work direct incentive order profits group shared partners group large individual generated costs miniscule effect order amount ordering relative average british neurologist suspect drastically order slmr mail zisfein zisfein 
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homeopathy respectable medical tradition keywords science stupid nntp posting host engws sunysb organization state university york stony brook lines article homer webster homer writes mhollowa sunysb michael holloway writes error shows confusion part drum roll science gathering evidence support assertion read hypothesis gathering empirical observations order make hypothesis convince final product product made error observation hypothesis tainted theory theory make observations observations made theory mind absolutely make observation general sense observations made human beings made biases message leaves talk hypothesis back equating business science result gizmo produced science works developing theories paradigms poor dealing paradigm shifts develop paradigm explains homeopathy chinese medicine spontaneous combustion paradigm show make observations prove disprove point paradigm developing paradigm modern medicine body reduced essentially mechanical operations disease malfunctions machinery essentially newtonian model world theories based paradigm give complete discription universe medicine healing recognize important psychological component healing admit oversimplification part topic philosophy science made making summarizes popular misconceptions science business science biomedical research make basic assumptions discipline scientific research make empirical observations form hypothesis test modern medicine biochemistry newtonian model world doubt psychologists empirical world view psychology biochemistry spoon bending important distinguish reason science science reasonable scientific methodologies aristotle reasoned frogs observing puddle oversimplified good empirical observa tion tested aristotle eventually found wanting meantime folk continued spontaneous generation animal life surprising gathering knowledge works things discipline molecular biology found totally base idiotic future future people relevations suddenly vision trip thought tested people relish misrepresenting science research wrap minds science creative process factual good research totally turned head tommorrow results theories defining science recognize involved science portrayed popular media writings people humanities portray science collection immutable facts pronouncements truth gold letters silly turn stone mechanism transcriptional regula tion interesting human process 
organ donation transplantation fact sheet organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines reply michael holloway nntp posting host previous article dougb doug bank article mhollowa sunysb organ donors healthy people died suddenly accident head injury brain dead organs alive mechanical means define healthy people wife donate blood malarial region past years fact bone marrow typed donate blood malarial region diagnosed surgically treated testicular cancer blood bank wont accept blood years treat problem knowingly introducing cancer mestastizes imperfect understanding facts gonadal cancer dangerous regard research recall hearing case cancer transmitted blood transfusion common sense kind arbitrary precaution transmissable diseases malaria story michael holloway mail mhollowa sunysb mail freenet forwarded phone 
sensitivity superstition organization carleton university ottawa canada lines article tong gong tong writes article wcsbeau carleton opirg writes cites john olney toxicologist studied effects brain development undisputed literature excitotoxic food additive major constituent glutamate essentially premierie neurotransmitter mammalian brain humans included diet system thrown glutamate aspartate excitotoxin small amounts freely foods amounts added industry amounts encountered single food eating lots junk food packaged soups diet soft drinks jack blood levels high sensitivity compounds suffer numerous real physi logical effects read olney review paper prog brain check sources impecable dispute dianne murray wcsbeau carleton order excitotoxin effects blood blood brain barrier elevated levels blood able bypass blood brain barrier circumventricular organs adeno neurohypophysis pituitary gland areas arcuate nucleus hypothalamus median eminence regions effected areas subject blood brain barrier areas control release gonadotropin controls release flux steroids governing development sexual development adult rats sensitive humans observed ingesting chronic basis cycles steroids disrupted blood levels somatostatin significantly reduced cyclic release steroids flattened hope helps dianne murray wcsbeau carleton 
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eumemics eugenics article organization portal system lines years type eugenics sooner mapping human genome start work manipulation genome genetic engineering able insert genes breeding hybrids ethical question make race disease free long lived arnold schwartzenegger muscled supermen years disassemble assemble bodies molecular level flawless cosmetic surgery flawless cosmetic psychosurgery store prices shelf priced coded goods head catch errors make store favor safeway mentally edit spell check responses questions posed phone caller selling vacation time share options today nation risk threat genes memes memes basic units culture opposed genes units genetics stand brink meme amplification technologies harmful memes restricted destructive power rampant countryside laying waste real benefits future technology offer jeremy rifkin busy whip emotions genetically engineered tomatoes development calgene inventing harmful memes virtual memetic typhoid mary expand public health laws include quarantine people harmful memes allowed infect people memes genetically engineered food electromagnetic fields space shuttle solid rocket boosters 
advice doctor patient relationship problem article cnsvax organization university wisconsin claire lines reply mcovingt michael covington sounds heart place adept expressing received meant profound apology apologies delivered overworked people sound sounded jerk ditch knowledgeable empathetic david nyeda uwec midelfort clinic claire patently absurd wishes philosopher learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell 
science methodology homeopathy tradition keywords science errors turpin nntp posting host engws sunysb organization state university york stony brook lines article lady uhcc hawaii lady writes bucks approach science promotes significant errors science choosing investigate questions readily handled fashionable methodology readily institutional corporate sponsorship directing attention questions fundamental significance shades james watson workers misgivings human genome project rigid definition scientific research mere accumulation data science early arguments project resources focus specific genetics related problems collecting maps sequence project narrowly defined easily 
lasers dermatologists originator mckay concordia nntp posting host alcor concordia organization concordia university montreal quebec lines limited tinea pedis years finding resistant creams powders dermatologists lasers destroy fungus effective inexpensive good reasons lasers told dermatology reached laser john mckay concordia deep ideas simple groups simples 
desperate organization computer science engin chiao tung taiwan lines luck called involves growth granules groin found checking medicine books found prescriptions clinic cured serving duty army impossible prevent knowing leaves weeks treatment bought prescribed tablets drugstore cure injection dose hours days tools solution injection kind people info write post taking tablets wait flame posting judge learned lesson real medical desperate taipei 
selective placebo gated usenet rosemail gateway organization rose media toronto ontario lines romdas berkeley ella baff writes doubt placebo effect alive medical modality estimated higher alternative versus conventional medicine time closer experience substance alternative intervention good intentions practitioner therapeutic john badanes romdas berkeley case practice hard time figuring managed make bottom half class create diplomas crayons runs medical practice success rate tackle problems qualified treat conscience business fraudulent purposes otoh kidding england medical journal heading ninety percent diseases treatable drugs surgery echoed reports amused alternative medicine magic placebo effect award alternative practitioners success rate conventional medicine rosereader purranoia fear rosemail usenet rose media hamilton 
scientific yawn gated usenet rosemail gateway organization rose media toronto ontario lines gordon rubenfeld responds roth roth roth wrote gordon results scientific stamp approval patients followers convinced written methods uncontrolled undocumented unreported unsubstantiated subjective endpoint research great rest care gordon beat issue death stalemate force type medicine patients happy happy peers miserable bemoaning steady loss patients alternative camp europe steady exodus synthetic medicine decade matter time people continent abandon drug white coat worship visit doctors point patients convinced works effective similar cases treating cupping bloodletting placebo interesting conclusions conventional medicine treat ladies bulk patients consist teachers lawyers judges nurses accountants university graduates health practitioners people results method unsuccessful lose sleep peers approve treatments face blunders committed scientific years people hold scientific method lower esteem hold mine ayurveda crystals homeopathy roth equal placebo administered trappings familiar interested appears medicine ayurveda crystals exception homeo pathy gordon knew wanted make system homeopathy cellular test hard beat accuracy minerals predictable homeopathy problem reliability acute conditions exception homeopathic nosodes fairly quickly dependable viral bacterial situations colleagues spend hours debating study design results therapies accepted standard good adequate scientists prepared presented data abandon deeply held beliefs favor ideas challenges hundreds sceptics verifying accuracy measuring mineral status total satisfac tion words involved happy cook meal worry world find liking eating financed research project undertaken follow rules guide lines satisfy aspects grant application concerned study designs meet criteria acceptance conviction ruler truth flat earth center universe epilepsy curse gods justification uneducated person growing uncivilized environment flat earth civilized educated scientifically trained mind follow doctrine evolution genetic engineering final frontier show properly capable creating paradise give disease boot good leave pointers solve couple tiny problems poverty racism crime riots substance abuse thing give hint control natural disasters weather peace rosereader called brain ready rosemail usenet rose media hamilton 
selective placebo gated usenet rosemail gateway organization rose media toronto ontario lines russell turpin responds article roth doubt placebo effect alive medical modality estimated higher alternative versus conventional medicine show careful measurement suspect paper worthy publication variety medical journals russell notice question mark sentence addressing question person named sugar people opinion love study support claims placebo effect prevalent alternative compared conventional medicine study include patients respond dissatisfied conventional versus alternative doctor practitioner punched face success treatment meet expectations patient rosereader doubt make sound convincing rosemail usenet rose media hamilton 
eumemics eugenics organization dept university texas austin lines nntp posting host saltillo utexas summary lousy idea cross posted followups directed talk politics theory article portal mark robert thorson writes today nation risk threat genes memes memes basic units culture opposed genes units genetics expand public health laws include quarantine people harmful memes words jail people wrong things advocacy ugly meme mark robert thorson advocate jailing russell 
desperate organization dept university texas austin lines nntp posting host saltillo utexas summary article mjliu nctu ming zhou writes luck called involves growth granules groin found checking medicine books found prescriptions ming zhou main problem incompetent physician physician diagnosed problem diagnosed disease idea kinds problems present similar symptoms physician treat case disease medical community thing ming zhou fire current physician seek russell 
barbecued foods health risk organization world public access unix brookline lines recent postings remind read risks barbecuing foods carcinogens generated valid concern function smoke elevated temperatures function cooking elements wood charcoal lava rocks 
post polio syndrome information needed organization university wisconsin claire lines reply keith keith stewart wife interested acquaintance post polio syndrome apparently recognised zealand symptons chest complaints treated separately anone information medical information subject specific questions type textbook chapter covering aspects subject comprehensive review local hospital librarian happy request sort briefly condition patients significant residual weakness childhood polio notice progression weakness older theory remaining motor neurons work harder sooner david nyeda uwec midelfort clinic claire patently absurd wishes philosopher learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell 
crash program basic immunological research organization pittsburgh lines article gary kronk writes contemplating idea time doctor wife nurse doctors nurses point doctors nurses sick people medical profession lovely area anecdotes physician sick horrendous mild case sick unusual situation medical school pediatrics younger siblings pediatric wards suddenly found confronting sorts infectious challenges body ready pediatrics solid months illness temp final exam training constantly exposed things usual reactions challenged exposure deal mild illness immune system hyped forget hospital flora home carry 
science methodology homeopathy tradition nntp posting host engws sunysb organization state university york stony brook lines article fulk rochester mark fulk writes article sasghm gary merrill writes article fulk rochester mark fulk writes wrong observation explicitly impression fact hold view common correct approach scientist follow flights fancy scheming basis jealousies petty hatreds flights fancy irrational approaches common crucial thing fantasies make experiments scientists fantasies lead creative work admit loud fantasy prior consumption beers danger philosophizing science theory generalization removed actual grunt bench great involved process walk heavy night dreaming hell long advisor catch easy stamping behavior purpose life grant review committees peer review process general today world determines science funded damn good thing flights fantasy chance producing biomedical research surest graduate student ruin life work boss concerned fleshing fantasies student work project good chance producing results prone aberrant behavior simple warren jelinek noticed extremely heavy band electrophoresis human fragments excited hoping essential part control mechanism eukaryotic genes fantasy sequence samples band carry binding assays result conserved sequence occurs times human genome warren fantasy turns transposon present copies replicates copies back genome hand characteristics transposons elucidated necessity cellular reverse transcriptase recognized standard method recognizing human created species sets transposons fortunately warren dinner fridays time agree gary merrill response read alot middle repetitive sequence work interesting good work implications fields molecular genetics reasoned project turned interesting results unexpected mike 
lyme vaccine organization college veterinary medicine newsreader version lines kathleen richards kilty wrote year pomeranian nasty reaction vaccination suffice vaccinate lyme disease camping states backpacked watching ticks dealing simply active lyme disease areas drag anymore veterinarians feel lyme disease dogs easy treat endemic area give antibiotics dogs presenting lameness swollen joints fever recent paper march finally established lyme disease dogs reproduced controlled experimentaly setting ellusive matter researchers fundamental requirements acknowledge agent causitive disease vaccine manufacturer able prove disease exists paper noteworthy animals infected treated dogs episodes lameness week period occurred months exposure period showed clinical signs month observation period study proven clinically sick lyme patients showing spontaneous recovery benefit drug treatment observations longer months disease chronicity humans addendum paper calls question techniques vaccine manufacturer validate vaccine world model developed order test vaccine efficacy independent scientifically sound evaluations vaccine year jeff parke jeffp bitnet jeffparke washington state university college veterinary medicine class pullman 
diet works great organization express access public access unix greenbelt maryland lines nntp posting host access digex article pitt gordon banks writes keith person heard weight conscious effort control eating behavior diet back morbid obesity attribute success factors cooked meal fruit vegetables grain bran cereals estimate percent calories sugar salt high fiber americans grams recommended heard people taking fiber pills pills fiber make difference popping pills tablets small snarf hundreds daily clean plate conditioning works eating takes half eating time satiety chance catch feel hungry start eating hungry hungry shortly eating practical bike work miles year round fast bike stores movies owned estimate burns calories helps build maintain muscle mass prevent insulin resistance diabetes runs family increase metabolism metabolism rest comfortable temperature wear sweater drops cycling motivates avoid excess ounce cyclists routinely premium cycling products weigh slightly easier cheaper trim weight rider vehicle question mind metabolism radically people fortunately precludes excellent health swear obese person success heard succeed cycle success depends large fluctuations cycle people cycle pounds weight cycles extremely salt salty weight increase overnight pounds week keith lynch digex 
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food related seizures organization portal system distribution world lines remember hearing years back therapy hyperactivity involved aggressively eliminating artificial coloring flavoring diet theory backed interesting anecdotal results people sensitive chemicals people remember connection made seizures hurt natural diet 
problems nutrasweet aspartame organization portal system lines phenylketonuria disease body process phenylalanine build blood seizures neurological damage side effect urine deeply colored wine people condition avoid nutrasweet chocolate rich phenylalanine aspartame accused caused vague neurological symptoms robertson program club beating drum aspartame vigorously year issue pushed back burner year apparently evidence strong flailing 
sensitivity superstition organization dyer computer consulting cambridge lines article berkeley steve pope writes mass anectdotal evidence combined lack properly constructed scientific experiment disproving hypothesis makes reaction hypothesis explanation events forgot smiley face turn berkeley aberration steve dyer dyer major spdcc harvard rayssd linus spdcc dyer 
blood glucose test strips originator young nntp posting host sasquatch reply young kodak organization clinical diagnostics division eastman kodak company lines article uucp chuck forsberg writes article young kodak writes human glucose fasting numbers blood plasma serum plasma numbers blood numbers humans tend lower roughly percent lower find range blood fundamentals clinical chemistry teitz editor saunders human glucose blood fasting levels strips calibrated measure blood measure blood levels accurate serum test laboratory problem cells sample continue metabolize glucose sample drawn reducing apparent level teitz results compare laboratory results values tend lower strip tests values erratic conversion factor human plasma glucose blood prick glucose concentration stated blood levels tend roughly percent lower serum levels sample freshness affect blood levels defined conversion factor cell metabolism affect samples varying degrees serum plasma test preferred general ball park testing rich young kodak opinions 
sensitivity superstition organization carleton university ottawa canada lines article dyer steve dyer writes article wcsbeau carleton opirg writes missed amidst flurry responses responses pointed double blind tests show chinese restaurant effect unique elicited placebo people responded anecdotal stories safe original poster familiar stories hard info substantiate refute claims making people similarly debunking claims research literature equally point original poster doubt people chinese restaurant syndrome bogus placebos interesting irrelevant question effects real effects placebo effects people allergies addition newsgroup hampered people restricting posts matters substantial knowledge youself read scientific paper apparently bizarrely cracked ideas substance human nutrition read olney work fail citing results peer reviewed studies qualifies bizarrely cracked cites john olney toxicologist studied effects brain development undisputed literature excitotoxic food additive undisputed literature glutamate amino acid excitatory neurotransmitter evidence excessive release glutamate involved pathology conditions stroke drowning gehrig disease completely issue ubiquitous amino acid foods people receiving intra ventricular injections glutamate tests rhesus monkeys study mode administration intra ventricular administered orally studies intra ventricular normal admin method food studies obvious reasons read peer reviewed works referred brain injection bunk diet system thrown effect humans demonstrated controlled studies infant mice models relevant matter hand favor things baby food patently ridiculous additive reason diet effects humans adversely pardon read journals literature search mice study times sensitive humans glutamate aspartate excitotoxin small amounts freely foods amounts added industry amounts encountered single food wrong aspartate phenylalanine soft drink milligrams worth compare glass milk glutamate present protein foods compared added point exceeding window amino acids note people tolerate phenylalanine olney research compared infant human diets specifically amount freely mother milk versus commercial baby foods typical lunch items standard american diet packaged soup mixes found exceed projected safety margin infant humans fold single meal processed foods mother milk effective dose read olney review paper prog brain check sources impecable dispute impeccable dispute interested provide peer reviewed food industry funded citations articles disputing effects whatsoever steve dyer dyer major spdcc harvard rayssd linus spdcc dyer surprised dianne murray wcsbeau carleton 
problems nutrasweet aspartame organization university vermont division emba computer facility lines nutrasweet synthetic sweetener couple thousand times sweeter sugar people concerned chemicals body produces degrades nutrasweet thought form formaldehyde methanol degredation pathway body eliminate substances real issue levels methanol formaldehyde produced high significant damage toxic living cells consume phenylalanine worry amino acid small quantities protein synthesis body people disease phenylketoneurea missing enzyme degrade compound eliminate body accumulate body high levels toxic growing nerve cells major problem young children women pregnant disorder leading brain damage infants easily detected birth simply avoid comsumption phenylalanine child pregnant heather 
food related seizures organization dyer computer consulting cambridge lines article portal mark robert thorson writes remember hearing years back therapy hyperactivity involved aggressively eliminating artificial coloring flavoring diet theory backed interesting anecdotal results people sensitive chemicals people remember connection made seizures hurt natural diet yeah feingold diet load crap children diagnosed diet show improvement intellectual social skills fact continue decline parents enthusiastic approach expense children development interesting anecdotal results people steve dyer dyer major spdcc harvard rayssd linus spdcc dyer 
science methodology homeopathy tradition summary ultimately ideas exploration informal thinking organization university hawaii mathematics dept expires lines article sasghm gary merrill writes article fulk rochester mark fulk writes flights fancy irrational approaches common crucial thing fantasies make experiments simple warren jelinek noticed extremely heavy band electrophoresis human fragments excited characterize flight fancy fantasy unfamiliar scientific context appears obvious speculation lack neutral word significant part consequence knowledge acceptance current theory coupled observations rational attempted observation theory tailor theory cover observation scientific idea staring window dreaming fantasy watching apple fall newton sitting bath archimedes ultimately result intense scientific thinking letting mind roam freely giving rein intuition coming ideas rational analysis problem scientific intuition born learns understand completely learned training systematic scientific thinking elements developing informal exploration important element finding scientific ideas thinks instance darwin naturalistic studies galapagos islands ideas theory evolution offended definition science emphasizes empirical verification recognize thinking informal exploration important scientific work agree mere speculation deserve called science mere empirical studies directed good scientific thinking poor kind science article turpin utexas russell turpin writes lady talking cross purposes lady concerned contrast great science makes advances knowledge mediocre science makes smaller steps thread concerned difference science science defined activities lead important science thinking informal exploration recognized scientific work arguments behaviorists cognitivists psychology science collection competing religious sects lady uhcc hawaii lady bitnet 
bursitis laser treatment reply carleton robert allison organization national capital freenet lines family doctor physiotherapist agree pain left shoulder bursitis appointment orthpod love short orthopedic surgeon apparently waiting treating packs ultrasound lasers improvement fact suspect worse real question laser treatment easily imagine physical effect deep tissue problem shed light speak matter robert allison ottawa ontario canada 
sensitivity superstition organization university illinois urbana lines dyer steve dyer writes article berkeley steve pope writes mass anectdotal evidence combined lack properly constructed scientific experiment disproving hypothesis makes reaction hypothesis explanation events forgot smiley face turn berkeley aberration steve dyer dyer major spdcc harvard rayssd linus spdcc dyer flaming group dyer nasty sarcastic people subject shoot riled discussion civil blasting school idea simple insults demonstrated line continue insult stop wasting time sincerely checkman 
frequent nosebleeds reply carleton robert allison organization national capital freenet lines nosebleeds week result genetic predisposition weak capillary walls osler weber rendu fortunately nosebleed short duration method reduce frequency younger brothers skin transplant thigh nose lining nosebleeds returned reference herb called rutin supposed hear experiences techniques robert allison ottawa ontario canada 
update lyme organization lamont doherty earth observatory lines article pitt gordon banks writes article brenner columbia carl brenner writes ulterior motive easy physicians call lyme treat money involved bringing understand financially physician ahead treat physician investment involved kickback scheme home infusion company financial gain doctor based experience general practitioner training infectious diseases establishing links lyme community treating patients wondering lyme decided lyme diseases spirochetal lyme giving talks meetings users groups validating feelings delusional patients mill lots patients hospital expensive infusions monitoring office making lots bread adulation hope cure control publications support groups definite temptation harumph published newsletters aspire argue logic extrapolating recklessly appears sample size local pittsburgh true logical fair conclude true doctors treat lyme disease logic conclude physicians consult insurance companies make money denying benefits lyme patients money encouraging good medicine idea sincere motives suspect physicians excoriate indiscriminate treatment feel comfortable discussing medical issues lyme speculating motives parties involved gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender carl brenner 
transplant recipients newsletter april dinternational newsletter april nntp posting host engws sunysb organization state university york stony brook lines monthly postings newsletter long island chapter transplant recipients international organization trio unable post date month meeting posting posting world wide regional hopes information illustrative hope inspiration posting newsletters data related organ transplantation donation mike transplant recipients international organization long island chapter huntington newsletter april volume meeting meeting wednesday april knights columbus emerald manor uniondale avenue uniondale guest speaker lewis teperman teperman trained pittsburgh starzl assistant director liver transplant program york university medical center teperman discuss current trends transplantation treatment answer questions long time friend trio surgeon members gracious delightful guest informative interesting engaging evening hospitality committee bette vito suglia spence prepared weather cooperative hope large gathering teperman wednesday april uniondale meeting noted long island chapter trio extraordinary power predicting weather able forecast rain sleet snow fully month advance weatherman match time scored able disable long island railroad making travel difficult braved snow interesting meeting good conversation scheduled speaker elizabeth linnehan professional nutritionist family emergency able attend hope fall discuss diet medications jennifer friedman image consultant sister liver transplant recipient kind step short notice friedman gave good advice choosing clothes makeup healthy minimize cosmetic effects medicine drugs grateful jennifer entertaining evening annual meeting addition welcoming teperman april meeting annual meeting chapter official notice meeting required laws main purpose meeting review past year solicit member views ideas ways meet elect members board directors coming year term nominating committee prepared slate board anne liver recipient treffeisen robert heart recipient eulene smith vito kidney recipient bette suglia grenzig liver recipient schichtel kidney recipient larry juliano kidney recipient david bekofsky director public education litp remaining board year robert carroll liver kidney pancreas recipient jerry kidney recipient jeanne eichhorn kidney donor marie healy peter smith bone marrow recipient patricia yankus kidney pancreas recipient walter ruzak kidney recipient board hands make light work medical uncertainties good backups jobs board addition slate presented voting nominations accepted floor number board members plenty work addition treasurer membership reports floor open business suggestions comments bring formal meeting short spend majority time teperman future meetings remember scheduled guests rest year peter shaprio chief psychiatry columbia presbyterian medical center june felix rappaport director stony brook kidney transplant program plan wednesday month notdaw week april national organ tissue donor awareness week notdaw planning news releases speaking engagements meetings supervisors gullata gaffney decided softball game year experience miserable weather spread word donor awareness found effective pastor rabbi publish letter announcement parish bulletin address congregation include mention gift life sermon attached newsletter sample letter fact sheet starzl honored long island chapter american liver foundation hold annual auction dinner dance fountainbleu jericho turnpike jericho thomas starzl honored guest tickets person fast meet starzl call anne treffeisen details membership news congratulations reese received heart transplant pittsburgh waiting years home days hospital arthur michaels liver recipient planning boston marathon april fantastic proof transplantation works hope national press notices mccormack persistent bout infection transplanted kidney removed home back dialysis feeling nicole healy kidney recipient daughter marie spent past weeks hospital miami problems encountered vacation marie florida back york nicole treatment continue nicole speedy recovery grenzig liver recipient mending fall resulted broken broken candidate board wishes coming tough winter tulips snow wednesday april uniondale lewis teperman 
problems nutrasweet aspartame organization dyer computer consulting cambridge lines article hbloom heather writes nutrasweet synthetic sweetener couple thousand times sweeter sugar people concerned chemicals body produces degrades nutrasweet thought form formaldehyde methanol degredation pathway body eliminate substances real issue levels methanol formaldehyde produced high significant damage toxic living cells consume aspartame methyl ester dipeptide product hydrolysis methanol oxidized formaldehyde amounts methanol formed ingestion aspartame foods completely metabolic noise forming equally minute amounts methanol components food time studies involving administration high doses additive blood methanol levels undetectable methanol poison quantities human poisonings consequence oxidation formaldehyde formic acid reactive compounds high levels damage tissues retina kidney high doses body detoxification system overwhelmed interestingly treatment early methanol poisoning person drunk ethyl alcohol vodka equivalent ethanol metabolized preferentially methanol enzymes liver methanol stays methanol metabolized formaldehyde toxic steve dyer dyer major spdcc harvard rayssd linus spdcc dyer 
sensitivity superstition organization dyer computer consulting cambridge lines article wcsbeau carleton opirg writes people responded anecdotal stories safe original poster familiar stories hard info substantiate refute claims making people hard info provided making people point youself read scientific paper apparently bizarrely cracked ideas substance human nutrition read olney work fail citing results peer reviewed studies qualifies bizarrely cracked peer reviewed studies addressing effects people animal models walk start ranting gloom doom documented deleterious health effects demonstrated humans note argument statement noting animal administration duced blah blah careful humans precisely tests rhesus monkeys study mode administration intra ventricular administered orally studies intra ventricular normal admin method food studies obvious reasons read peer reviewed works referred brain injection bunk neurotoxicology studies glutamate involve food science pardon read journals literature search point studies humans familiar literature relate olney work animals effects glutamate neurons point exceeding window amino acids note people tolerate phenylalanine tolerate phenylalanine essential amino acid healthy producing dangerous levels phenylalanine metabolites blood olney research compared infant human diets specifically amount freely mother milk versus commercial baby foods typical lunch items standard american diet packaged soup mixes found exceed projected safety margin infant humans fold single meal processed foods mother milk effective dose goodness good feed infants glutamate supplemented foods projected safety margin construct derived animal models prove talking prudent policy infant nutrition misrepresenting received wisdom read olney review paper prog brain check sources impecable dispute impeccable dispute interested provide peer reviewed food industry funded citations articles disputing effects whatsoever asserting intellectually dishonest plain confused conflating reports necessarily olney reports argue potential problems human infants whatsoever foods provide studies humans deleterious effects obvious reasons contribtion phenomenon chinese restaurant syndrome frequent inability replicate anecdotal reports sensitivity dyer major spdcc surprised dianne murray wcsbeau carleton dumber remarks made steve dyer dyer major spdcc harvard rayssd linus spdcc dyer 
frequent nosebleeds organization dyer computer consulting cambridge lines article carleton robert allison writes method reduce frequency younger brothers skin transplant thigh nose lining nosebleeds returned reference herb called rutin supposed hear experiences techniques rutin bioflavonoid compounds found places rinds citrus fruits popular europe treat capillary fragility seemingly extreme cases months friend visiting italy hemorrhoids pharmacist friend sold pills incredulously asked contained rutin active ingredient destroyed placebo effect skeptical sputtering idea hemorrhoid wise days studies attempted effect compounds human disease nutrition controlled reports positive results anecdotal stuff pretty toxic inexpensive risk expect result steve dyer dyer major spdcc harvard rayssd linus spdcc dyer 
sensitivity superstition nntp posting host accord organization motorola cellular infrastructure group lines thing monosodium glutamate sensitivity superstition experience contrary person sensitive wife kids food industry food industry give reasons industrial byproduct cover fact recipes good food poor quality sadistic pleasure making sick taste testers defect flavor sensors mouth corrects understand nitrosiamines sulfites safer ways preserve food wines beers outlaw substances warning labels large packages require comparable products market free substances state free dyes nitrosiamines sulfites package outlaw yellow matter food dyes flavorings vitamins osco stress tabs yellow doctor yellow responsible nasal polyps food food quit putting junk cents worth person tired sick junk walter lundby walter lundby 
science methodology homeopathy tradition summary misjudged keywords science errors turpin organization university hawaii mathematics dept expires lines article turpin utexas russell turpin writes agree lady wrote previous post thread misjudged russell agrees misjudged respect major problem insistence science avoiding mistakes disagree contention methods deemed scientific possibly true deleted material agree back lady rules post psychology posters supported carefully designed controlled studies science posters making mistake previously criticized adhering methodological recipe carefully rules support hypothesis carefully designed controlled study narrow apply investigation requirements reasoning convincing depends greatly kinds mistakes occurred past reasoning kinds things reuse previous conclusions uncontrolled observations treatment chronic medical problems notoriously problematic agree degrees certainty instance demand carefully controlled trials accept absolute scientific truth extent thing effectiveness treatment hand highly favorable clinical experience uncontrolled adequate justify preliminary judgement treatment evidence hope investigators institutional corporate support case makes sense tentatively treat claims credible reserve final judgement establishment scientists qualified resources careful testing makes sense tolerant standards evidence pronounced effect marginal dispute science mathematician veteran arguments psychology occasionally neurolinguistic programming work date nlpers categorized informal exploration careful scientific research years scientific clinical psychologists read books watch videotapes courtesy local university library purpose making definitive judgement simply methodology approach eliciting information subjects ideas hypotheses scientific interest aware questions suggests worthy scientific investigation response pychology validated accepted form empirical research interest ultimate reducio absurdum extreme controlled studies position technique called fast phobia trauma cure simple phobias opposed agoraphobia world important psychological disorder nice thing sophisticated instrument diagnose cured phobia cure simple visualization requires minutes nlpers claim neutralize traumatic memory treating post traumatic stress syndrome essentially variation classic desensitization process behavioral therapists subject technique case ptsd traumatic incident process repeated subject practice home pretty easy test effectiveness cure nlpers claim success rate extremely high fear heights balcony floor observe response spend minutes simple visualization send back balcony things changed check back weeks cure lasting long term follow desirable scientific point view cure lasts weeks significance case cases cure lasted years knowledge case cure reversed holding weeks cure incidentally slightly technique learned fast phobia trauma cure years enjoy living floor building large balcony folks psychology hundred excuses make simple test claim elaborate outcome study satisfactory study sort practitioners make barely marginal living practice afford plain interested idea frivolous part scientific establishment tangible rewards gain scientific acceptance fast phobia trauma cure years clinical psychology establishment knowing effective academics resources study elaborate prove theory burden proof making claim academic psychology completely unscientific test phobia cure scientific journal number books posted articles psychology describing detail capable fairly careful academic study favorable results apparently acceptable doctoral dissertation published refereed journal sort attitude advance science hinders kind thing mind talk doctrinnaire attitudes science unfair imputing attitudes russell apologize arguments behaviorists cognitivists psychology science collection competing religious sects lady uhcc hawaii lady bitnet 
find information current trends diabetes organization syslang lines looked diab newsrc nuthin good sources read interested finding intravenous insulin injection hepatic vein liver activation whew wotta mouthful smells pointer helpful newsgroup mailinglist time flies wind fruit flies bananas steven steveo uunet world steveo repeat individuals 
barbecued foods health risk originator dubin colorado nntp posting host spot colorado reply dubin colorado organization univ colorado boulder lines rsilver richard silver writes recent postings remind read risks barbecuing foods carcinogens generated valid concern function smoke elevated temperatures function cooking elements wood charcoal lava rocks recall issue meat liquifies drips elements extreme heat catalyzes carcinogens carried back meat smoke professor 
barbecued foods health risk organization portal system lines reminds graham kerr cooking show today smoked meat stovetop strange technique tray made aluminum foil tray size shape typical coffee table tray made crumpling sheet foil edges tray couple spoonfuls brown sugar similar quantity brown rice rice contents teabags earl grey cloves ordinary aluminum basket type steamer chicken breasts assembly stovetop high heat minutes removed looked smoked chicken breasts surprises concerns wood chips smoke flavor years remember hearing carmel color obtained caramelizing sugar common coloring flavoring agent found carcinogenic injected skin rats results conclusive caramel color legal initial research result found incorrect years remember earl grey implicated carcinogenic bergamot extract skin type citrus fruit happened story carcinogenic earl grey additive apparently continues natural wood smoke smoking duck noticed heavily smoked food item unpleasant tangy taste eaten directly smoker smoke recently stopped flowing find taste wood chips lots smoke beginning cooking process slowly barbequing hours hours adding additional wood chips theory unpleasant tangy molecules molecular weight stuff terpenes smoky flavor molecules sort larger molecule similar long barbeque time initial intensive smoke drives molecular weight stuff leaving flavor theory correct remember hearing combustion products dripping charcoal burning carcinogenic reason covers product soot unpleasant tanginess grill drippy meats prawns directly coals stuff duck indirect heat long rectangular weber coals meat drops directly floor meat time barbeque make fire burn ignite coals reason heard smoke barbeque meat smoked cured meat pork sausage bacon nitrosamines carcinogenic pretty claim standing amusing incident recall duncan hines scandal discovered people make duncan hines cake putting ethylene dibromide cake suppress weevils fumigant carcinogenic represented company press conference defended risk eating duncan hines products year equal cancer risk eating charcoal broiled steaks great analogy heard reaction make standard unit charcoal broiled steak equivalent duncans 
brain abscess definition needed reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article fresa mdcorp nasa writes define brain abscess relative cerebellum brain abscess infection deep brain substance hard cure antibiotics walled surgical drainage gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
hypoglycemia distribution world organization invention factory york city reply zisfein zisfein lines anello fnal anthony anello bloodcount diagnosed hypoglycemic dangerous pancreatic problem specialty negligent blood blood glucose levels common hours meal level symptoms test good diet worked hypo glycemic reactive hypoglycemia symptoms disease dietary recommendations patient complains dizziness faintness sweating palpitations reliably hours meal recommendations obvious smaller meals slmr mail zisfein zisfein 
advice doctor patient relationship problem distribution world organization invention factory york city reply zisfein zisfein lines libman marlena libman advice situation occurred physican upset questions continue doctor manage care easy computer repair shop rude competent business body repair shop repairman attitude slmr mail zisfein zisfein 
sensitivity superstition organization utah state university lines interested provide peer reviewed food industry funded citations articles disputing effects whatsoever asserting intellectually dishonest plain confused conflating reports necessarily olney reports argue potential problems human infants whatsoever foods provide studies humans deleterious effects obvious reasons contribtion phenomenon chinese restaurant syndrome frequent inability replicate anecdotal reports sensitivity dyer properly impressed philosophical skills ability insult people wonderful speaker adept politician asked simply provide scientific research refuting work olney original poster sought start philisophical debate wanted information effort justify shooting oneself breakfast healthy practice particularily interested verbally prove disprove rationalize research studies appoligize sounds flamish simply thread back track lone wolf happy dream dreams philips price true slyx unknown 
barbecued foods health risk organization pittsburgh transplan institute lines article dubin colorado writes recall issue meat liquifies drips elements extreme heat catalyzes carcinogens carried back meat smoke hmm care vague howard doyle doyle 
sleeping pill reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article dfederma skidmore daniel federman writes friend mine appoximately sleeping pills diphenhydramine total worried long term effects stomach pumped liver brain damage information greatly appreciated shrink wanted kill depressed people succesfully treated gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
request information essential tremor indrol reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article sundar writes essential tremor progressive hereditary tremor worse patient effected member limbs vocal cords head involved inderal beta blocker effective diminishing tremor alcohol mysoline effective alcohol toxic treatment gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
problems nutrasweet aspartame organization netcom line communication services guest lines hbloom heather writes nutrasweet synthetic sweetener couple thousand times sweeter sugar people concerned chemicals body produces degrades nutrasweet thought form formaldehyde methanol degredation pathway body eliminate substances real issue levels methanol formaldehyde produced high significant damage toxic living cells consume phenylalanine worry amino acid small quantities protein synthesis body people disease phenylketoneurea missing enzyme degrade compound eliminate body accumulate body high levels toxic growing nerve cells major problem young children women pregnant disorder leading brain damage infants easily detected birth simply avoid comsumption phenylalanine child pregnant heather remember rightly syndrome infants lack genes people lack gene supposed persons avoid naturally occuring phenylalanine gene underproduce supposed producing supposed tolerant aspartame methol formaldahyde thing supposed occur heating drink figure sugar made reason quickly easily satiate hungry people calories easy drink water drink pack aday aspartame soda drink coke sugared 
offers exploratory grants alternative medicine reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article green robert greenstein writes article pitt gordon banks writes problem scientists interested alternative medicine gordon packaged absurd theory homoeopathy cures dilute things powerful dilute ingredient water left chiropractic illness stems compressions nerves misaligned vertebrae systems patently absurd good accidental related theory exception herbalism scientists recognize potent drugs derive plants interested find plants active substances meant alternative medicine accupuntunce charts back silly theories accupuncture works cases reason reluctant rhine experience rhine scientist wanted investigate paranormal filled chacanery fakery people sort thing gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
dislocated shoulder reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article steve steve katz writes recently managed dislocate shoulder sking injury damaged nerves wondering point literature give background types injuries respond email medical school library books peripheral nerve injuries brachial plexus gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
mris reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article digex keith lynch writes scans expensive reduce expense magnets radio transmitter attached magnets huge good sets tesla magnets cost millions dollars radiologist reading scan gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
helium renewable mris reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article turpin utexas russell turpin writes helium consumed thought failure perfectly result evaporation back atmosphere sounds cycle takes energy cycle doubt helium consumption resource issue cycle free helium escape atmosphere high velocity practical recover mined gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
find information current trends diabetes lines organization information deli netcom jose california steveo steven writes looked diab newsrc nuthin good sources read check diabetic mailing list knowledgable helpful friendly voluminous bunch send email listserv bitnet line body subscribe diabetic vote misc health diabetes newsgroup general discussion diabetes underway close april posted news announce newgroups news groups message place vote creation misc health diabetes send email message navy place vote creation misc health diabetes send email message navy contents message line vote misc health diabetes proposed email messages addresses constitute unambiguous unconditional votes newsgroup creation proposed conditional votes accepted votes emailed addresses counted mailed replies posting returned event vote individual recent vote counted additional posted vote acknowledgment votes received date information supplied people voting final acknowledgment made time full vote made public voting continue votes accepted date administrative inquiries pertaining made email swkirch navy proposed charter appears charter misc health diabetes unmoderated purpose misc health diabetes provide forum discussion issues pertaining diabetes management diet activities medicine schedules blood glucose control exercise medical breakthroughs group addresses issues management type insulin dependent type insulin dependent diabetes technical discussions general support discussions relevant diabetes postings misc heath diabetes intended discussion purposes construed medical advice diabetes medical condition requiring direct supervision primary health care physician charter 
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bone marrow sclerosis summary information sought keywords severely blood cell count nntp posting host binkley mcgill organization socs mcgill university montreal canada lines information long term effects bone marrow sclerosis thankful reading newsgroup list recognized treatment centers massive blood transfusion effective plan library style reply kind list suggested topics readings medicine field joel malard joel mcgill 
quality control medicine lines information implementaion total quality management quality control quality assurance delivery health care service information interest post responses abhin singla bioe president medcomp 
lyme vaccine reply karicha calstate lines nntp posting host ucrengr newsreader version jeff time type love reference paper kathleen richards email karicha calstate windshield dire straits 
quality control medicine organization university pittsburgh lines article writes information implementaion total quality management quality control quality assurance delivery health care service information interest post responses fact topic medicine days medical literature devoted heavily funded studies days outcome research physicians constantly questionning effective situation activities routine part hospital administrative function required accreditation agencies entire publications devoted issues kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit programmer 
homeopathy respectable medical tradition organization oracle europe lines newsreader version gordon banks pitt wrote article rgasch oracle robert gasch writes business point view make sense depends personality practitioner charm patients coming homeopathy profitable covered insurance mind european countries homepathy accepted method curing alleiating conditions modern medicine answer countries insurance pays treatments accepted scientists people country waste time money quackery britain scandanavia worked paid countries holland insurences homeopathic treatment germany austria condition helped normal medicine happened switzerland austria direct experience swiss case univeristy vienna innsbruck homeopathy school found combination acupuncture changed life living hell condition enables lead normal life found modern medicine powerless cure severe case neurodermitis note cure surpress symptoms modern medicine attempts case neurodermitis homeopathy scientific offer areas modern medicine absolutely helpless reading aritcle deeply rooted beliefs issue intended offensive sarcastic sounded makes doubt read open mind excuse comment robert rgasch oracle 
reply gkiria kheta georgia organization kiria keywords information echo cardio dopler lines names conferences find information keywords echocardiography cardiology dopler hawe informatins subjects years becouse leave tbilisy english adress irina kheta georgia 
hypoglycemia gated usenet rosemail gateway organization rose media toronto ontario lines anello fnal anthony anello writes bloodcount diagnosed hypoglycemic dangerous pancreatic problem specialty negligent blood test good diet worked hypo glycemic anthony anello fermilab batavia illinois hypoglycemia confirmed proper channels ther chelated manganese chelated chromium increase protein foods supplements avoid supplements foods high potassium calcium zinc avoid supplements excess avoid honey foods high simple sugars enjoy breads cereals grains discuss health practitioner compatibility body chemistry safety rosereader beer breakfast anymore rosemail usenet rose media hamilton 
glutamate organization express access public access unix greenbelt maryland lines nntp posting host access digex article sher lawrence sher writes editorial dicarboxylic amino acid glutamate essential amino acid glutamate essential amino acid people survive eating keith lynch digex 
lyme vaccine organization college veterinary medicine newsreader version lines kathleen richards kilty wrote time type love reference paper experimental lyme disease dogs produces arthritis persistant infection journal infectious diseases march jeff parke jeffp bitnet jeffparke washington state university college veterinary medicine class pullman 
selective placebo organization reasoning systems palo alto lines nntp posting host drums reasoning article roth roth writes otoh kidding england medical journal heading ninety percent diseases treatable drugs surgery echoed reports amused alternative medicine magic placebo effect award alternative practitioners success rate conventional medicine diseases thing patients world curable disease strikes people incurable diseases strikes person medical science cure patients report diseases therapy disease counted untreatable placebo ethically bound knowingly dispense placebos 
glutamate nntp posting host wind bellcore organization bellcore lines article digex keith lynch writes article sher lawrence sher writes editorial dicarboxylic amino acid glutamate essential amino acid glutamate essential amino acid people survive eating contradiction essential sense body essential sense body produce supplement jason chen 
glutamate organization wide field planetary camera lines distribution world reply carl caltech nntp posting host caltech article jchen bellcore jason chen writes contradiction essential sense body essential sense body produce supplement technical discussion amino acids definition universally carl lydick internet carl caltech hepnet carl disclaimer understand vaxen paid understanding astronomy purely amateur level directly related hold organization responsible related hold responsible organization 
barbecued foods health risk originator young nntp posting host sasquatch reply young kodak organization clinical diagnostics division eastman kodak company lines article rsilver richard silver writes recent postings remind read risks barbecuing foods carcinogens generated valid concern function smoke elevated temperatures function cooking elements wood charcoal lava rocks tufts university guide total nutrition stanley gershoff dean tufts university school nutrition harperperennial isbn greatest hazard barbecuing cook caution burned people suggest barbecuing dangerous smoke absorbed meat benzopyrene pure form cancer laboratory animals order experience results people consume unrealistically large quantities barbecued meat time rich young kodak opinions 
problems nutrasweet aspartame originator young nntp posting host sasquatch reply young kodak organization clinical diagnostics division eastman kodak company lines article hbloom heather writes nutrasweet synthetic sweetener couple thousand times sweeter sugar people concerned chemicals body produces degrades nutrasweet thought form formaldehyde methanol degredation pathway body eliminate substances real issue levels methanol formaldehyde produced high significant damage toxic living cells consume september issue tufts university diet nutrition letter page article artificial sweeteners excerpts deal specifically nutrasweet reproduced permission controversy aspartame began years england group researchers found aspartame marketed tradename nutrasweet appears stimulate appetite eating calories long person simply consumed sugar researchers asked group people drink plain water aspartame sweetened water sugared water felt hungriest drinking artificially sweetened beverage study received widespread media attention stirred good deal concern artificial sweetener public results questionable researchers measure increase appetite translate increase eating necessarily hand hand years dozen studies examining effect aspartame appetite eating conducted reviewing director laboratory study human ingestive behavior johns hopkins university barbara rolls concluded consuming aspartame sweetened foods drinks increase amount food eaten afterward artificial sweetener typically accused causing cancer aspartame blamed host ills introduction government received thousands complaints accusing causing headaches nausea mood swings anxiety years careful scientific study conducted sweetener entering market failed confirm bring adverse health effects centers disease control government agency charged monitoring public health american medical association council scientific affairs food drug administration aspartame studied food additives clean bill health granted acceptable daily intake milligrams aspartame kilogram body weight exceed limit pound woman milligrams aspartame amount cans aspartame sweetened soda cups gelatin cups yogurt ounce servings aspartame cocoa pound consume milligrams sweetener amount cans soda cups yogurt limit chart aspartame content selected foods omitted small group people stay aspartame born rare metabolic disorder called phenylketonuria estimated person unable properly metabolize essential amino acid aspartame called phenylalanine child consumes builds body ultimately severe problems mental retardation people avoid substance labels cans soda aspartame sweetened foods carry warning phenylketonurics phenylalanine rich young kodak opinions 
hunchback posted internews organization dartmouth college lines friend pronounced slouch upper back walks sits concluded hunchback genetic disorder people correct posture changed power isabelle rosso 
post polio syndrome information needed distribution world organization invention factory york city reply zisfein zisfein lines keith keith stewart wife interested acquaintance post polio syndrome apparently recognised zealand symptons chest complaints treated separately anone information condition recognised sense disease diagnostic criteria clear boundaries diseases unique pathologic physiologic features neurologists agree post polio syndrome patients evidence motor neuron disease clinical examination muscle biopsy abnormalities chronic polio evidence ongoing deterioration clinically patients complain declining strength endurance everyday motor tasks musculoskeletal pain universal feature doubtless contributes impaired performance examination shows muscle weakness atrophy shows evidence denervation reinnervation giant long duration motor unit action potentials evidence active denervation fibrillation potentials biopsy shows denervation reinnervation fiber type grouping evidence active denervation small angulated fibers dense oxidative enzyme staining curiously group atrophy post polio patients clinically evident deterioration month post polio patients remarkably stable objective findings year patients polio develop genuine common polio survivors people polio post polio syndrome unknown evidence post polio patients active polio virus destructive immunologic response virus antigen solid evidence patients post polio happening motor unit anterior horn cells motor axons neuromuscular junctions muscle fibers patients polio complaining deterioration groups biopsy findings reason acute chronic disease polio unknown possibly spinal motor neurons reinnervated huge numbers muscle fibers start shedding load years couple clinical features distinguish post polio syndrome patients patients polio deny deterioration patients severe polio patients complain pain tend score higher depression scales neuropsychologic tests disagree recovery severe polio abnormal loading muscles tendons ligaments bones joints leads inflammatory degenerative conditions affecting structures increasing pain superimposed chronic unchanging weakness leads progressive impairment motor performance biased personal experience patient limited pain patients rapid deterioration motor units patients polio similar severity complaints slmr mail zisfein zisfein 
post polio syndrome information needed distribution world organization invention factory york city reply zisfein zisfein lines nyeda uwec david briefly condition patients significant residual weakness childhood polio notice progression weakness older theory remaining motor neurons work harder sooner theory true muscle biopsy show group atrophy evidence acute loss enlarged motor units doesn biopsy shows scattered angulated atrophic fibers consistent load shedding chronically overworked motor neurons neurons survive expense increasingly denervated muscle slmr mail zisfein zisfein 
food related seizures lines newsreader sharon paulson paulson larc nasa wrote waiting thinking good large group experience kind thing members medical community loathe admit importance diet foods play general health guess worried sick ideas wordy wanted specifically anecdote colleague mine child congenital disease tuberous sclerosis mental retardation seizure disorder parents noticed thing precipitate seizure meal corn wondered connection dietary ingredients precipitate seizures experiences interesting hear netters david ozonoff boston university school public health dozonoff itvax east concord boston 
eugenics keywords gene pool wisdom virtue nntp posting host naples organization school medicine lines subject eugenics gordon banks writes years type eugenics sooner mapping human genome start work manipulation genome genetic engineering able insert genes breeding hybrids ethical question past problems eugenics reducing gene pool defining status eugenized inserting genes reduce gene pool inserted genes transmissible progeny able crowd garbage genes future awareness maintain gene pool provisions made saving genes handy evidently genes sickle cell disease equatorial africa diabetes hopi promoted survival conditions future hold environment reduced wilderness disease survival capacity inbred domesticated animals mind vulcanism nuclear winter meteor impact microbiological threats famine global warming conceivable genes good strategy species survival status genetically altered individuals start make philosopher kings great bodies long lives give elevated status romans kings benefits eugenics race eventually realized dealt problems caused problem orwell introduced notion happen persons genetically altered menial tasks treated slaves millennia inherent problem gene therapy avoids problems humans trouble virtue wisdom power falls hands good ends time stopped race civilizations died inability adapt environmental change civilizations died abuse power survived learned lesson fates survived making choices turns gene altering power wipe face earth endless suffering nuclear power global warming real issue issue wisdom virtue personally wisdom virtue pull challenge eugenists make hope reservoirs garbage people backwater long discarded garbage genes pull real problem accept input great spirit overcome lacks area knowing power listen obey small voice hearts begin recieve wisdom virtue needed escape problems consequent poor choices peoples died reasons societies failed accept input safely power developed destroyed process evident survive today accepted input spirit powers wisely avoid survive mistakes power long summary question technology ancient answer ways hard ways easy ancient answer power spirit long post carried ruegg 
science methodology homeopathy tradition summary subjective judgement reliable statistics organization university hawaii mathematics dept expires lines article turpin utexas russell turpin writes imply treatments ineffective imply rely faulty methodology reasoning incapable discovering treatments effective start methodology form reasoning infallible question certainty context insistence rigor bogs science completely makes progress impossible expenditure sufficiently large sums money amounts time overcome hand rigor lost basing work results eventually turn false morass studies contradicting studies outsiders start people call science opinion worth sees phenomena happening simultaneously parts psychology subjective judgement required decide level rigor investigation banish subjective judgement science point highly capable people make extremely reliable judgements scientific validity methodology considered inadequate usual standards true scientists true approach discipline generally recognized scientific mathematics examples twentieth century conspicuous case riemann famous theorems stated prove mathematicians prove good scientist empirical investigation matter determining true matter convincing people people proposed lots incompatible definitions science ability objectively convince validity results essential element necessarily step scientific process moving goal science person scientist good successful judgements worthy respect assertions worth investigation article wrote justification belief science superior path truth scientific approaches admittedly question posed considerable amount effort scholarly investigation suggested required simply formulate appropriately specific question answer science thinking question actual science practiced decade twentieth century thinking idealized science mere reason observation thing mind suggestion question cases subjective judgements skilled experienced practitioners reliable statistical studies russell turpin familiar study scientific methodology existing research related question arguments behaviorists cognitivists psychology science collection competing religious sects lady uhcc hawaii lady bitnet 
eugenics summary errata keywords gene pool wisdom virtue nntp posting host naples organization school medicine lines tarl neustaedter kindly letting reference prior post orwell huxley brave world ruegg 
dult chicken organization metronet communications services dallas distribution lines recovering case chicken contracted year daughter puppies point longer infectious physician office scabbed true medications promote healing speed healing mail replies advance marc grant internet marcbg metronet amateur radio station richardson voice 
foreskin troubles lines generally called phimosis inflammation retracted physician office eaasily complicated cases urologist 
selective placebo organization university california berkeley lines distribution world nntp posting host uclink berkeley roth recommends hypoglycemia confirmed proper channels ther diet omitted proper channels sounds suspiciously blood chemistry glucose tolerance suddenly chemistry exists perfectly person saved needless trouble expense simple muscle testing hair analysis diagnose confirm aberrant physiology meantby proper channels able understand dick king post diseases thesame thing patients reply inability critically evaluate statistic cited england journal medicine couldyou figure implied remark ethically bound knowingly dispense placebos thought post misc health alterna tive insist insinuating untrained medical delusional notions health disease forum suspect apparent anger heteropathic medicine underlying father problem confirm surrogate muscle testing patients ponder theory previously weak indicator muscles strengthens reservations unique methods diagnosis forgot earlier post concerned study designs meet criteria acceptance john badanes romdas berkeley ideas 
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advice doctor patient relationship problem nntp posting host zeppelin convex organization instrumentality disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines article mcovingt michael covington writes sounds heart place adept expressing received meant profound apology apologies delivered overworked people heart jerk heart beats apologizing book behavior unprofessional inexcusable pale overworked busy raking bucks likes push women fire doctor welt alles zerfall peter cash apologies ludwig wittgenstein cash 
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andromeda strain summary hold organization chinet public access unix lines opportunity watch flick years interested technology demonstrated film handling infectious diseases similar toxic substances faked computer robotic technology time made science fiction idea space germ coincidentally wanted movie watched segment awful dealing disease researcher description elaborate security measures building cracked speak nature short deliberate bombing researchers spacesuits similar film curious people film short silly facility technically feasible today plot crystalline structure life nother argument arts tech waco update ohio prison update bosnia update russian update abortion update congressional update standoff news network news standoff daniel hartung dhartung chinet rotaract 
desperate reply bitnet organization university albany suny lines tools solution injection injector friend diabetic load hyperdermic plastic case spring automatically push needle skin depress plunger live york saturday night tonight special guest lawrence silverberg state university york albany albany 
barbecued foods health risk organization northwest nexus lines nntp posting host nwfocus forget health enjoy steak resent sprouts mark mcwiggins hermes associates voice markmc seattle 
barbecued foods health risk reply markmc message nntp posting host cyanamid organization american cyanamid company lines reading popular scientific literature benzopyrene burned problem real small compared kinds risks type problem occurs stove grilling remedy read vitamin meal barbecue bacon make sense antioxidant counteract adverse affect chemicals question apetit sanford silverman opinions expressed american cyanamid sandy cyanamid silvermans cyanamid yeast 
immunotherapy recurrent miscarriage organization worldbank lines series miscarriages wife transfusion white cells theory understand kind immune blocking prevents body attacking pregnancy foreign body blocking deficient body evicts intruder resulting miscarriage white cells apparently enhance blocking capability transfusion successfully carried pregnancy term jake active month wait walk thinking child including obgyn supervised transfusion transfusion process repeated successive pregnancies land experience gene jane jake posted misc kids 
sensitivity superstition reply harvey navy betty harvey organization carderock division nswc bethesda lines food cooking packer gsfc nasa charles packer writes thing monosodium glutamate sensitivity times sunday scientists testified advisory panel complaints sensitivity superstition experience contrary sensitivity foods thirsty hands swell terrible itchy rash experienced problem worked close chinatown chinese food everyday lunch tolerate notice immediately eaten avoid completely interesting fact children started experiencing exact rash hands understand cooking chinese love investigation knew oodles noodles favorite foods main ingredients flavor packets labels surprised places find betty harvey david taylor model basin networking communication assessment carderock division branch naval surface warfare code center bethesda dtmb nswc 
science methodology homeopathy tradition originator sasghm nntp posting host theseus organization institute lines article fulk rochester mark fulk writes familiar history experiment arguably pretty detailed account hempel philosophy natural science contemporaries found result surprising quibble toricelli reasons experiment post constructed reasons thoughts head considered problem smacks ideology supposition toricelli subsequent descriptions reasoning veridical dangerously close unfalsifiable view history methodology science deny subsequent reports experimenters reliable descriptions real reasons impossible toricelli thoughts root bernstein services science rooting pasteur fleming people notes discovered surprising clues motivations pasteur publicly admitted plan create mirror image life dreams notebooks finally public years ready read friends ridiculous reasons pursuing results colleague poorly written claim disproved claim toricelli case rarety fantasy motivates experiment turns point type case rarity fact point pasteur common studies spontaneous generation fermentation readily concede ridiculous reasons play important role scientists spend time confuse motivation methodology suppose ridiculous reasons provide impetus majority cases based infrequent anecdotal evidence gary merrill principal systems developer compiler development institute campus cary sasghm mcnc sasghm 
difference organization distribution lines wife process selecting pediatrician child june interviewed young doctor week impressed discovered medical doctor doctor osteopathy difference pediatrician years doctor years dictionary osteopathy medical therapy emphasizes manipulative techniques correcting somatic abnormalities thought disease inhibit recovery jeez sounds chiropractic remember shots medicine pediatrician remember manipulative techniques enlighten real practical difference interesting hearing opinions choosing pediatrician medical philosophy readers respond directly sbrenner read group regularly response post cross posting hoping expertise scott brenner consumer communications services sbrenner basking ridge jersey 
barbecued foods health risk organization university wisconsin academic computing center distribution world lines article portal mark robert thorson writes reminds graham kerr cooking show today smoked meat stovetop strange technique tray made aluminum foil tray size shape typical coffee table tray made crumpling sheet foil edges tray couple spoonfuls brown sugar similar quantity brown rice rice contents teabags earl grey cloves ordinary aluminum basket type steamer chicken breasts assembly stovetop high heat minutes removed looked smoked chicken breasts surprises concerns wood chips smoke flavor years remember hearing carmel color obtained caramelizing sugar common coloring flavoring agent found carcinogenic injected skin rats results conclusive caramel color legal initial research result found incorrect years remember earl grey implicated carcinogenic bergamot extract skin type citrus fruit happened story carcinogenic earl grey additive apparently continues natural wood smoke smoking duck noticed heavily smoked food item unpleasant tangy taste eaten directly smoker smoke recently stopped flowing find taste wood chips lots smoke beginning cooking process slowly barbequing hours hours adding additional wood chips theory unpleasant tangy molecules molecular weight stuff terpenes smoky flavor molecules sort larger molecule similar long barbeque time initial intensive smoke drives molecular weight stuff leaving flavor theory correct remember hearing combustion products dripping charcoal burning carcinogenic reason covers product soot unpleasant tanginess grill drippy meats prawns directly coals stuff duck indirect heat long rectangular weber coals meat drops directly floor meat time barbeque make fire burn ignite coals reason heard smoke barbeque meat smoked cured meat pork sausage bacon nitrosamines carcinogenic pretty claim standing amusing incident recall duncan hines scandal discovered people make duncan hines cake putting ethylene dibromide cake suppress weevils fumigant carcinogenic represented company press conference defended risk eating duncan hines products year equal cancer risk eating charcoal broiled steaks great analogy heard reaction make standard unit charcoal broiled steak equivalent duncans understand assumption found carcinogenic legal naturally occuring substances excluding controlled substances pretty unregulated terms food food additives consumption chemists concoct ingredient falls regulations looked closely find reason world suppose legal consume tobacco products banned dave allen space science engr madison 
placebo effects organization dept university texas austin lines nntp posting host utexas summary researcher bias great problem article daniel prince calcom socal daniel prince writes effect doctor believes strongly medicine sees improvement sees improvement effect called reverse effect doctor medicine sees improvement effect called effects studied common effects advance replies effects real concern conducting studies treatments researchers limit kind effect performing studies blind ways subjects study receive placebo test treatment control group test group administering treatment subjects receive placebo test treatment evaluating individual results subjects receive placebo test treatment point data analyzed differentiate test group control group analysis quasi public researcher describes presents data based verify worth noting biological studies subjects animals mice cases skewed results performed study blind considered important make mice ignorant important respects tested control test groups treated alike russell 
dominance reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article rsilver richard silver writes dominance eyedness handedness population people require lens corrections kinds percentages attached dominance handedness side refractive error gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
surgery damaged tendons median nerve reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article bhatt honeywell writes thought explore wisdom questions control pain surgeon suggested long pain pain recur future answer reflex sympathetic dystrophy forever hope damaged partially tendons heal completely finger strength regained long complete healing process reattaching hope months gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
food related seizures organization nasa langley research center hampton lines nntp posting host larc nasa reply dyer message article dyer steve dyer writes newsgroups path news larc nasa saimiri primate wisc zaphod ohio state utexas uunet hsdndev spdcc dyer dyer steve dyer organization dyer computer consulting cambridge references date lines article portal mark robert thorson writes remember hearing years back therapy hyperactivity involved aggressively eliminating artificial coloring flavoring diet theory backed interesting anecdotal results people sensitive chemicals people remember connection made seizures hurt natural diet yeah feingold diet load crap children diagnosed diet show improvement intellectual social skills fact continue decline parents enthusiastic approach expense children development interesting anecdotal results people steve dyer dyer major spdcc harvard rayssd linus spdcc dyer interest problem mine reaction sugar junk food kathryn shown signs hyperactivity behavior response food calm dare neat smart fact happened eating sugar coated cereals made kellog makes allergic reaction coating cereals family kathryn shows signs fever running nose itchy eyes allergies family history including weird food allergies nuts mushrooms trip endocrinologist check body chemistry sugar coated cereals seizures makes heave sigh relief sharon paulson paulson nasa nasa langley research center bldg mailstop work hampton virginia home 
organ donation transplantation fact sheet reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article dougb comm writes wife donate blood malarial region past years fact bone marrow typed rules blood blood products donations malarial area years platelet donor thailand trip blood bank disappointed find years secretary state asked wanted donate organs figured history correct necessarily rules apply organ donation blood donation fact gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
mississippi river water catfish safe reply pitt gordon banks distribution organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article dfield calpoly infospunj field writes invited spend couple weeks summer rafting mississippi journey partners live river water catfish route concerns pollution health risks purify river water practical mississippi check health agencies toxic chemicals river microorganisms filtered killed activated charcoal means purify chemicals drinking river processing make sick bacteria parasites gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
residency reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article nyeda uwec david writes illegal residency discriminate fmgs true interview fmgs programs discriminate equally qualified american american rights matter citizens good luck fmgs luck residents fmgs worst turns worst fmgs citizens studied shore medical schools residents fired incompetence years department fmgs citizens studied guadalajara citizen trained soviet union philipina practicing medicine neurology picked programs psychiatry emergency medicine gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
liver spots nntp posting host zeppelin convex organization instrumentality disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines brown spots older people hands called liver spots sort liver colored actual liver dysfunction welt alles zerfall peter cash apologies ludwig wittgenstein cash 
andromeda strain summary hold organization telectronics pacing systems lines article dhartung hartung writes opportunity watch flick years wwii channel wwii interested technology demonstrated film handling infectious diseases similar toxic substances faked computer robotic technology time made science fiction idea space germ graphics capabilities computers faked movie audiences ability patience numbers book realistic respect respects robotics range impossible coincidentally wanted movie watched segment awful dealing disease researcher description elaborate security measures building cracked speak nature short deliberate bombing researchers spacesuits similar film wondered crichton escapes classification ahead science prediction precaution nasa decontaimination processes supposedly prevent story disasters nasa scientists readers writers felt warned reading curious people film short silly facility technically feasible today film holds films plot crystalline structure life nother argument arts tech 
eumemics eugenics organization massachusetts institute technology lines distribution world nntp posting host years disassemble assemble bodies molecular level flawless cosmetic surgery flawless cosmetic psychosurgery store prices shelf priced coded goods head catch errors make store favor safeway mentally edit spell check responses questions posed phone caller selling vacation time share options absolutely daft flame required lack brain memes basic units culture opposed genes units genetics educated give credit credit richard dawkin meme meme invented zone 
hernia organization encore computer corporation nntp posting host condor encore lines year hernia groin discovered produced dull pain area hernia repaired intrusive orthoscopic method plug patch doctor considered procedure success months pain returned doctor find wrong area hernia repair pain occurs identify specific problem surgen performed original procedure hernia area area repair time question nonintrusive method determine fact hernia pain steve heffner 
candida albicans originator davpa organization department computer science university linkoping lines recently diagnosed candida albicans disease find information apparently body production yeast time highly allergic yeast david partain davpa university link oping work phone link oping sweden telefax 
dominance organization bellcore piscataway lines article pitt gordon banks writes article rsilver richard silver writes dominance eyedness handedness population people require lens corrections kinds percentages attached dominance handedness side refractive error recall reading baseball star chris chambliss hitting abilities part attributed combination left handedness dominance 
barbecued foods health risk organization anesthesiology lines distribution world nntp posting host useragent nuntius xxdate article rich young young kodak writes stuff deleted consume unrealistically large quantities barbecued meat time confess unfulfilled ambitions matter realistic mackie opinion 
quality control medicine organization anesthesiology lines distribution world nntp posting host useragent nuntius xxdate article kenneth gilbert kxgst writes situation activities routine part hospital administrative function required accreditation agencies entire publications devoted issues spend time dealing quality stuff number journals worth quality review bulletin joint commission accreditation healthcare organizations renaissance boulevard oakbrook terrace quality health care publishing group kennebunkport mackie opinions anesthesiology disavow 
science methodology homeopathy tradition organization dept university texas austin lines distribution inet nntp posting host utexas summary response lady keywords science errors turpin part problem proposed definition science intended interpreted broadly lady interpreted fairly narrowly definition science investigation empirical avoids mistakes reasoning methodology discovered previous work lady writes science defined activities lead important science thinking informal exploration recognized scientific work classifies thinking informal exploration mistake fall definition hope speculation thinking informal exploration unscientific article lady uhcc hawaii lady writes misjudged respect major problem insistence science avoiding mistakes talking cross purposes clear kind definition proposed describing science definition invertebrates animals lacking backbone fairly tells invertebrate invertebrate tells invertebrates read definition animal species invertebrates invertebrates possess remarkably broad range form invertebrate groups insects nematodes ubiquitous ecosystems short knowing definition invertebrates misunderstanding fault give sufficient context people understand proposed definition agree degrees certainty instance demand carefully controlled trials accept absolute scientific truth extent thing effectiveness treatment hand highly favorable clinical experience uncontrolled adequate justify preliminary judgement treatment makes sense tolerant standards evidence pronounced effect marginal agree counts cases curing rabies convince veterinarians treatment effective lack controls talk absolute scientific truth talk kinds evidence claims kinds evidence fields past proven faulty reliable matter degree field practitioners discover relevance kinds evidence primary mistakes marks advocacy idea psuedo science advocacy lacks sense proportion kinds evidence related proposed claim kinds evidence relevant historical reasons field kinds evidence weight perfectly alright speculate read refereed papers speculated left authors careful identify notions speculative list evidence presently describe research proceed notion firm footing uncover problems distinguishes paper sort passes muster thoughtfulness author sets context paves future work area proponents speculative ideas fail folks psychology hundred excuses make simple test claim elaborate outcome study satisfactory study sort practitioners make barely marginal living practice afford plain interested idea frivolous part scientific establishment tangible rewards gain scientific acceptance scientists steer things deserving garner patina kookiness proponents practice careful investigation practice sets alarms ringing researchers minds unfortunate undoubtedly intersection things worth investigating things advocated careless unreasonable advocacy hand understand scientists select directions research gordon banks pointed generation rhine academic psychology completely unscientific test phobia cure scientific journal absurd fairly careful academic study favorable results apparently acceptable doctoral dissertation published refereed journal results published field dissertation results typically summarized papers submitted journals papers accepted publication dissertation finished eases defense finally hope lady forgive commenting discussion psychology offer russell 
mris organization informix software lines article king dick king writes recall reading youth science popularization book whyle isotope affect chemistry consumption heavy water fatal seeds watered heavy water sprout heard thought make good eposide columbo poisoned heavy water show chemical test 
reseaching starvation organization institute theoretical experimental biophysics lines nntp posting host venus iteb serpukhov interested investigations starvation improving health young russian reseacher highest medical education expierence reseach work biological field work problem send adresses hospitals medical centers scientific problems human starvation health investigated scientific contacts colleagues deals investigations field appreciated reply contact post russia moscow region puschino kravchenko mail kutuzova iteb serpukhov advance natalja kravchenko 
sensitivity superstition keywords organization carleton university ottawa canada lines article dyer steve dyer writes article wcsbeau carleton opirg writes hard info provided making people point merk check medical dictionary cite doctor mentioned earlier thread peer reviewed studies addressing effects people animal models walk start ranting gloom doom documented deleterious health effects demonstrated humans note argument statement noting animal administration duced blah blah careful humans precisely olney excitotoxic food aditives relevance animal studies human safety neurobehav toxicol teratol peta love hear arguments tests rhesus monkeys study mode administration intra ventricular administered orally studies intra ventricular normal admin method food studies obvious reasons read peer reviewed works referred brain injection bunk neurotoxicology studies glutamate involve food science talking food science comment supposed neurotoxicology tratology brain research nature progress brain research fine food science journals pardon read journals literature search point studies humans familiar literature relate olney work animals effects glutamate neurons olney casually referred chinese restaurant syndrome articles point studies exchange productive point exceeding window amino acids note people tolerate phenylalanine tolerate phenylalanine essential amino acid healthy producing dangerous levels phenylalanine metabolites blood unable metabolise olney research compared infant human diets specifically amount freely mother milk versus commercial baby foods typical lunch items standard american diet packaged soup mixes found exceed projected safety margin infant humans fold single meal processed foods mother milk effective dose goodness good feed infants glutamate supplemented foods projected safety margin construct derived animal models prove talking prudent policy infant nutrition misrepresenting received wisdom received wisdom question orally administered doses capable destroying neurons arcuate nucleus hypothalamus median eminence areas responsible production hormones critical normal neuroendocrine function normal development vertabrate organism humans vertebrates pray happen area brain normal rhythm gonadotropin release missing humans pituitary part brain responsible controlling realease albeit indirectly estradiol testosterone expect studies unethical sacrifice humans check effects chronic acute doses compounds brain tissue humans food industry animal model medicine psych talking straight sensitivity define term plenty studies psychoneuroimmunology showing link attitude physiology suspect arguing separate things adult sensitivities late occuring sequelae childhood ingestion implication adults doses excitotoxicity adults considerably larger young additivity copious increased presence modern processed foods jointly hidden presence necessitates extreme caution compounds shown markedly perturb endocrine system adults main point blood levels attained oral doses greater interested provide peer reviewed food industry funded citations articles disputing effects whatsoever asserting intellectually dishonest plain confused conflating reports necessarily olney reports argue potential problems human infants whatsoever foods provide studies humans deleterious effects obvious reasons contribtion phenomenon chinese restaurant syndrome frequent inability replicate anecdotal reports sensitivity olney work putative causal mechanism sensitivities terry epelbaum martin shown orally administered normal gonadotropic hormone fluctutations adults found induce persistant supression rhythmic secretion induce rapid transient release prolactin adults chronically exposed responsible control growth development converts glycogen glucose headaches dyer major spdcc surprised dianne murray wcsbeau carleton dumber remarks made read olney review article remarks quoted earlier post alluding computer consulting 
frequent nosebleeds reply bebmza chvpkh chevron beverly zalan organization chevron lines newsreader intercon connect article carleton robert allison writes nosebleeds week result genetic predisposition weak capillary walls osler weber rendu fortunately nosebleed short duration method reduce frequency younger brothers skin transplant thigh nose lining nosebleeds returned reference herb called rutin supposed hear experiences techniques year plagued lots vaseline nose night control bopped recur days allergies colds contribute vaseline ointment neosporin recurring zalan 
selective placebo gated usenet rosemail gateway organization rose media toronto ontario lines king dick king writes roth roth wrote otoh kidding england medical journal heading ninety percent diseases treatable drugs surgery echoed reports amused alternative medicine magic placebo effect award alternative practitioners success rate conventional medicine diseases thing patients world curable disease strikes people incurable diseases strikes person medical science cure patients report diseases therapy disease counted untreatable placebo ethically bound knowingly dispense placebos hmm mathematics statistics post hope thing mind post understand calculations rosereader mind intentionally left blank rosemail usenet rose media hamilton 
barbecued foods health risk distribution world organization immunex corporation seattle lines grad school remember biochemistry friend mine working heat shock proteins apparently burning protein induce survive denaturing occurs digestion burnt food woods toxins burnt logical volatilise bbqed food toxins antifungal anti woodeater compounds survive harsh conditions stomach intestine able cross intestinal mucosa biochemical background shed light heat shock proteins toxins wood make charcoal anne marie rousseau mail rousseaua immunex 
krillean photography originator todamhyp unlv organization university nevada vegas college engineering lines correct spelling information supplies yourselfers krillean pictures thinking education suppliers schools appartus sale companies info greatly appreciated case krillean photography knowledge involves taking pictures time organic object charged plates picture show energy patterns spikes object photographed depending type object spikes energy patterns vary extrapolate proves object universe energy signature confirm deny opinions expressed article directly reflect personal political views liberty yield explanation alleged opinions 
food related seizures organization dyer computer consulting cambridge comments feingold diet relevance daughter purported frostedflakes related seizures imagine included steve dyer dyer major spdcc harvard rayssd linus spdcc dyer 
dominance organization actrix networks lines article rsilver richard silver writes dominance eyedness handedness population people require lens corrections kinds percentages attached long sighted short sighted distant things left close specs balance things thought able middle rearing ugly head longer close objects arms shorter floggings continue morale improves pchurch actrix churchill wellington zealand 
adult chicken distribution organization beth israel hospital harvard medical school boston mass lines nntp posting host enterprise harvard article marcbg metronet marc grant writes point longer infectious physician office scabbed true medications promote healing speed healing acyclovir started days speeds recovery decreases formation david rind rind harvard 
sensitivity superstition keywords organization university california diego lines nntp posting host jeeves ucsd heard epileptic patients seizures added excitotoxicity neurons 
dominance organization university colorado boulder lines nntp posting host beagle colorado nyeda uwec david writes reply rsilver richard silver dominance eyedness handedness population people require lens corrections kinds percentages attached eyedness analogous handedness refractive error left eyed roll sheet paper tube hold telescope feel comfortable putting dominant refractive error eyes correlation handedness david nyeda uwec midelfort clinic claire patently absurd wishes philosopher learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell comfortable putting hard evaluate stare straight point hands clasp pointer fingers pointing straight forward spot wall feet stare spot eyes open close left open left close open image jumped closed dominant image jumped closed left left dominant deantha 
sensitivity superstition nntp posting host accord organization motorola cellular infrastructure group distribution lines food industry bothered address previous question food assume wife answer closer truth hoped believes added food people quit shoud sated believes people food addict chips chow packages noodle soup idea moral ethical standards food chemical regulatory groups addressed considered conditioning substance addictive sort habit forming brings side question mine noticed cats children parent fixate brand food product brand brand wondered case preference sort chemical training addiction questions regulate contents food allowed food addictive conditioning substances food speak motorola walter lundby 
krillean photography organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host coyoacan stratus article todamhyp unlv brian huey writes correct spelling proper spelling kirlian effect discoverd kirlian soviet film developer recall coronas visible ascribed static discharges chemical reactions organic material silver halides films tarl neustaedter stratus computer tarl stratus marlboro mass disclaimer employer responsible opinions 
intravenous antibiotics reply leisner xerox organization xerox newsreader version recently case shingles doctors wanted give intravenous acyclovir pain finding sites arms facts advantageous give intravenous antibiotics oral marty 
sensitivity superstition organization berkeley lines nntp posting host zion berkeley betty harvey writes researcher medical person amazes find scientific fact automatically assume reaction psychological mind boggling simply stated result bankrupt ethics healthcare scientific medicine industries america massive waste fraud costing support industries delivering marginal health care community clinton plan form takes cost greater bleah steve 
sensitivity superstition organization santa cruz operation distribution lines article evanh evan hunt writes article sharen lmsc lockheed sharen rund writes restaurants advertize restaurants feature salad bars veggies fresh longer number brings important question made salads kind sold supermarkets added mentioning legally area steve dyer points sharen thinking sulfites question stands evan hunt asst editor information mail evanh 
krillean photography organization worcester polytechnic institute lines nntp posting host recall article radio electronics subject fact copy article front find article refrence month system describe automobile ignition coil high voltage article includes information kind film hope helps joseph krzeszewski 
crash program basic immunological research organization university northern iowa lines article mitchum writes physician sick horrendous mild case sick unusual situation medical school pediatrics pediatrics solid months illness temp final exam training constantly exposed things usual reactions challenged exposure deal mild illness commonly teachers years sick gradually build immunities common healthiest working pathogens exposed time osha klier biology dept 
intravenous antibiotics organization university pittsburgh lines article leisner xerox writes recently case shingles doctors wanted give intravenous acyclovir pain finding sites arms facts advantageous give intravenous antibiotics oral essential information missing suffering condition caused immunosuppression indication acyclovir shingles healthy person oral form reduce length symptoms prevent development post herpetic neuralgia subject therapy good reason address general question therapy provide higher consistently high plasma tissue levels drug treating infection patient adequate drug levels kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit programmer 
barbecued foods health risk organization portal system distribution world lines understand assumption found carcinogenic legal naturally occuring substances excluding controlled substances pretty unregulated terms food food additives consumption chemists concoct ingredient falls regulations looked closely find reason world suppose legal consume tobacco products banned called delany amendment makes carcinogenic food additives illegal amount passed congress stuff mass spectrometry increased detectable levels substances couple orders magnitude things cyclamates banned weakly carcinogenic huge quantities rats banned applies natural carcinogens remember time back root beer suddenly stopped tasting good tasted good time safrole banned active flavoring ingredient sassafras leaves market root beer good days order make money fact enforcement effect exception rule product gumbo file coarsely ground dried sassafras leaves natural product natural product natural form evade delany special exemption made appease powerful louisiana democrats 
sensitivity superstition article shelley innlij distribution organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host carson washington article lundby walter lundby writes food industry bothered address previous question food assume wife answer closer truth hoped disrespectful concerns wound issue knowledgeable people pointed naturally occurring substance foods food manufacturers preparation flavor enhancer wife theory added food stimulate appetite true reason added people largely part charge appetites children parent fixate brand food product brand brand wondered case preference sort chemical training addiction questions regulate contents food allowed food addictive conditioning substances food cats cats advantage resign understand tastes whimsical suspect checked ingredients commercial food stringent requirements food additives human stupid idea human beings intelligence interests barbara wondering care 
krillean photography lines organization information deli netcom jose california newsgroups added followups groups todamhyp unlv brian huey writes information supplies yourselfers krillean pictures kirlian krillean pictures portraits tiny shrimp extrapolate proves object universe energy signature safe degrees kelvin energy signature interesting questions kind energy signifies check places edmund scientific business find soviet union equipment sale relcom hierarchy expansion kirlian photography credulous side stanway andrew alternative medicine guide natural therapies isbn york viking penguin overly critical overview alternative health therapies russian engineer semyon kirlian wife valentina alternating currents high frequency illuminate subjects photographed found object good conductor metal picture showed surface pictures poor conductors showed structure object optically opaque found high frequency pictures distinguish dead living objects dead constant outline whilst living subject object life activity visible highly variable colour patterns high frequency photography practised twenty years soviet union people west professor douglas dean york professor philips washington university louis produced kirlian photographs produced brazil austria germany kirlian photography show aura people fingers notably healers concentrating healing blue white rays emanate fingers subject angry excited aura turns spotty soviets kirlian photography diagnose diseases diagnosed method argue illnesses preclinical stage person claim able foretell disease photographing preclinical phase exciting phenomenon illustrated kirlian photography phantom effect high frequency photography leaf part photograph gave complete picture leaf removed part showing faintly extremely important backs experiences psychics legs amputees important thing kirlian phantoms electromagnetic pattern possibly represent secondary phenomenon field vanish piece leaf vanished energy grid contained living object significant actual object kirlian photography shown water mentally charged healer richer energy field ordinary water incredulous side macrobert alan reality shopping consumer guide hokum earth review autumn vnon excellent article providing common sense guidelines evaluating paranormal claims author favorite examples hokum crank works isolation field study making grand discoveries basement paranormal movements traced back people kirlian photography instance pump high voltage electricity emit glowing sparks common knowledge electrical workers hobbyists century lone basement crank declare sparks represent sort spiritual aura fact kirlian photography subjected rigorous testing physicists john pehek harry kyler david faust reported findings october issue science conclusion variations observed kirlian photographs solely moisture surface body mysterious auras necessarily mood mental state television shows magazines books famous parapsychologists continue promote kirlian photography proof unknown peter kaminski kaminski 
knots harvard leung nntp posting host husc harvard lines knots sore tight spots muscles kinds massage people break knots helpful leung harvard 
barbecued foods health risk organization syllabub lines nntp posting host utexas mark mcwiggins reminds forget health enjoy steak resent sprouts call notion psychological health food fact determined food groups cream pizza barbecue chocolate ideally meal groups food serve functions nutrition keeping organism happy aiding immune system spend million bucks commissioning study told redraw silly pyramid colors friendlier typeface consumer reports back page things turn rich young writes impossible things consume unrealistically large quantities barbecued meat time donald mackie confesses confess unfulfilled ambitions matter realistic yeah steaks cooked applewood wally wolf lodge coeur alene unrealistic unrealistically small slabs ribs east texas smoker louisville unrealistic food cooking dinner moonlite owensboro including lamb ribs mutton invite julie kangas guest honor moonlite sauce bring cream crushed dried chiltepins dessert thing unrealistically large quantity barbecue owner moonlite estimates owensboro restaurants serve hundred thousand pounds meat week summer forty thousand winter town pounds person week sounds unrealistic meager healthy kiran pound slab ribs realistic fuzzy pink niven waste calories potato chips candy whipped cream fudge sundae consumption involve dietician wardrobe factors fuzzy pink implies soggy potato chips cheap candy fake whipped cream inferior fudge sundae larry niven niven laws space 
frequent nosebleeds nntp posting host aisun organization programs university georgia athens lines article bebmza chvpkh chevron beverly zalan writes year plagued lots vaseline nose night control bopped recur days allergies colds contribute vaseline ointment neosporin recurring canadian counter product called secaris water soluble compared vaseline greasy ointments secaris compatible moisture michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio 
sensitivity superstition organization department computer science lines frequently late reacting added restaurant foods inside throat starts feel puffy cold times inside mouth tongue lips feel puffy situations symptoms involve restaurants chinese notable cases cheap chinese fast food chain japanese steak house steak chinese fast food chain cook tablespoon looked sugar salt fried rice impression enhances flavor causing taste buds swell correct find unreasonable assume high doses mouth tissues swell occurances including involved beef beef frequently tenderized suspect surprised toxicity studies animals showed harmless startling hear rhesus monkey complain throats feeling funny wishes explain majority food additives totally harmless mail results studied respond reminder long prove smoking cancer tobacco companies deny sound grumpy beef broccoli lunch today hurts swallow myers madman creator intended walk myers scarolina upright knuckles 
origin morphine chinsz calstate christopher hinsz organization calif state univ electronic information services lines bother newsgroup suggestions find subject letter origin morphine isolsted attempted experiment agian suggestion appreciated instructer insists rescources newsgroup send info helpful facts book attention letters newsgroup direct complaints instructor kilimanjaro pretty tricky climb reach slope sharply george head logic point frozen beast dead difference gavin millarr 
residency organization university wisconsin claire lines reply pitt gordon banks illegal residency discriminate fmgs true interview fmgs case made discriminatory applicant good board scores recommendations offered interview court david nyeda uwec midelfort clinic claire patently absurd wishes philosopher learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell 
krillean photography organization university wisconsin claire lines reply todamhyp unlv brian huey correct spelling kirilian picture show energy patterns spikes object photographed depending type object spikes energy patterns vary extrapolate proves object universe energy signature turned simple conventional explanation phenomenon recall details object plates altering field purely mechanical properties capacitance aura caused direct exposure film variations field strength david nyeda uwec midelfort clinic claire patently absurd wishes philosopher learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell 
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candida albicans organization beth israel hospital harvard medical school boston mass lines nntp posting host enterprise harvard article davpa david partain writes recently diagnosed candida albicans disease find information apparently body production yeast time highly allergic yeast candida albicans severe life threatening infections people sort illness discussing systemic yeast syndrome body allergic yeast considered quack diagnosis mainstream medicine book yeast connection talks illness convincing evidence disease exists david rind rind harvard 
sensitivity superstition organization public access unix dallas lines article rogers andrew rogers writes article jchen bellcore writes chinese asians japanese koreans flavor enhancer thousand years knew make chemical processes extracted natural food food meat broth fuel flame read years natural extracted sources mention reported aftereffects nasty artificial extracted coal chinese restaurant syndrome find pretty hard heard possibly incorrect assumption foods made processing sugar beets true sources folx react strongly react strongly sodium chloride table salt excess symptoms common rapid heartbeat uncomfortable feeling pressure chest upper left quadrant steve giammarco peterson lane dallas marco lonestar loveyameanit 
residency organization anesthesiology lines distribution world nntp posting host useragent nuntius xxdate article david nyeda uwec writes illegal residency discriminate fmgs true interview fmgs case made discriminatory applicant good board scores recommendations offered interview court fmgs citizens aliens difficult situation citizens vote citizens interest legislators citizen middle processing resident alien status stron sense rocking boat suing residency program delay granting status mackie opinions 
sensitivity superstition organization dyer computer consulting cambridge lines article myers scarolina daniel myers writes impression enhances flavor causing taste buds swell works correct find unreasonable assume high doses mouth tissues swell mechanism occurances including involved beef beef frequently tenderized suspect tenderizing beef involves sprinking marinading papain enzyme meat tenderizer packets papain seasonings tenderizer steve dyer dyer major spdcc harvard rayssd linus spdcc dyer 
krillean photography nntp posting host hpqmocb organization hewlett packard south queensferry scotland newsreader version lines vinci filipe cern wrote kirlian imaging skeptics nice write supportive helping build device connect kvolt supply aura filipe santos cern european laboratory particle physics switzerland generally accepted method common physics equipment find answers questions afterlifes heavens hells purgatory gods krillean photography insignificant compared larger eternal verities publishing results problem cheers david 
sensitivity superstition organization iowa state university ames lines common food including chinese oriental restaurants noticed chinese food restaurants slight headache ununsual thirst friends relatives chinese food time home cooking safely assumed allergic reactions people stick natural things body good possibly harms matter bother taste food tasted cloud flavor imaginary cloak michael michael huang eyes telling icemt iowa state univ show limitation michael understanding find include seagull 
krillean photography organization wide field planetary camera lines distribution world reply carl caltech nntp posting host caltech article todamhyp unlv brian huey writes correct spelling information supplies yourselfers krillean pictures thinking education suppliers schools appartus sale companies info greatly appreciated case krillean photography knowledge involves taking pictures time organic object charged plates picture show energy patterns spikes object photographed depending type object spikes energy patterns vary extrapolate proves object universe energy signature library corona discharge carl lydick internet carl caltech hepnet carl disclaimer understand vaxen paid understanding astronomy purely amateur level directly related hold organization responsible related hold responsible organization 
summary highlights iir organization digital equipment corporation lines nntp posting host dwovax article sharynk writes recently heard mental disorder called obsessive compulsive disorder caused nervous breakdown obessive compulsive disorder confused obsessive compulsive personality disorder acute anxiety disorder characterized obsessions persistent intrusive thoughts anxiety entertained compulsions repetitive ritualistic actions similarly intense psychological discomfort resisted forms depression examples obsessive thoughts repeated impulses kill loved accompanied anger religious person recurrent blasphemous thoughts generally individual attempts ignore suppress intrusive thoughts engaging activities individual realizes thoughts originate mind external source examples compulsive actions constant repetitive hand washing activity realistically related alleviating source anxiety obsessions compulsions highly distressing individual hour significantly impair daily routine social relationships treatments include psychotherapy behavioral methods anti depressants recently found effective alleviating obsessions compulsions standard diagnostic code manual psychiatric diagnosis kind todd todd stark stark enet digital equipment corporation philadelphia word skin living thought olliver wendell holmes 
sensitivity superstition nntp posting host eddie nasa organization propulsion laboratory pasadena lines article michael michael huang writes common food including chinese oriental restaurants noticed chinese food restaurants slight headache ununsual thirst friends relatives chinese food time home cooking safely assumed allergic reactions people stick natural things body good possibly harms matter bother taste food tasted cloud flavor imaginary cloak understood natural found tomatoes lots people terribly allergic lots natural things peanuts onions tomatoes milk natural problems folks foods taste allergic taste spicy food neighbor ulcer people long modified taste food additives chiles black pepper salt cream sauces things cloud flavor food bother food tasted left diner julie disclaimer opinions belong 
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good grief candida albicans organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article rind harvard david rind writes article davpa david partain writes recently diagnosed candida albicans disease find information apparently body production yeast time highly allergic yeast candida albicans severe life threatening infections people sort illness discussing systemic yeast syndrome body allergic yeast considered quack diagnosis mainstream medicine book yeast connection talks illness convincing evidence disease exists evidence adequately gathered published convince hard melancholic skeptics quiver everytime word anecdote empirical ivker wrote book sinus survival treatment systemic anti fungal nizoral patients braod spectrum anti biotics times years record results patients found patients significant relief allergic sinus symptoms beginning program case reported weeks developing classic symptoms outlined yeast connection agree poorly written book extreme sensitivity plastics vapors started november week full dosage sporanox sensitivity chemicals fully disappeared couch home dying minutes greatly improved areas allergy symptoms allergic molds yeasts rocket scientist figure excessive colonization yeast body natural allergy yeasts threshold reached perceptible symptoms yeast produce toxins sorts rocket scientist realize toxins problems people case sinus center allergic response question person immune compromised tests showed years antibiotics nutritionally deficiencies stress infections allergies develop excessive yeast colonization body tough question answer testing excessive yeast colonization easy empirical approach diagnosis fortunately sporanox safe unlike past anti fungals careful reason longer withhold sporanox treatment empirical reasons nystatin yeast grows hyphae deep tissue nystatin permanent affect find people nystatin time summary attempts desire medicine road methinks hold firmly party line academics trenches long treating patients doctors included face evidence yeast connection guarantee safety incompetence ripping lips justified concerned noring charter member infj club dying infj means brave mail send info noring noring international fred gourmet chocolate carlton place phone chips world livermore mail read psychology personality action 
proventil inhaler organization youngstown state university lines nntp posting host ysub proventil inhaler asthma relief fall steroid nonsteroid category product literature clear rick 
barbecued foods health risk organization university buffalo lines nntp posting host ubvm buffalo article portal mark robert thorson writes understand assumption found carcinogenic legal called delany amendment makes carcinogenic food additives illegal amount passed congress stuff mass spectrometry increased detectable levels substances couple orders magnitude things cyclamates banned weakly carcinogenic huge quantities rats banned applies natural carcinogens remember time back root beer suddenly stopped tasting good tasted good time safrole banned active flavoring ingredient sassafras leaves market root beer good days order make money fact enforcement effect exception rule product gumbo file coarsely ground dried sassafras leaves natural product natural product natural form evade delany special exemption made appease powerful louisiana democrats mind illegal commercially produce sell food carcinogenic substances illegal people food smoking true 
diet works great reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article uucp chuck forsberg writes weight rebound term medical literature obesity denote weight regain lost diet cycle number terms thing provide reference substantiate gaining back lost weight constitute weight rebound exceeds starting weight oral tradition shared obesity researchers gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
diagnose lyme reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article lehigh marc gabriel writes culturing diagnose hard culture cases point developed feel years experience serology match call quack accuse make quick buck called quack quacks cultures tests lyme times tests accurate treat practice exclusively devoted treating lyme patients orthopedic surgeons pattern gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
migraine reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article zisfein zisfein writes headaches interfere activities daily living affect population sound primary care physician tend agree administrators family physicians learn basics headache management absolutely weeks neurology medical school month residency hospital migraines rarely supposed learn diligent read learn tension type headaches neurology interest headaches spend time history diagnose primary care physician hears headache loses interest giving patient analgesics office interesting excepting migraine arguably neurologic headaches hope meant inarguably gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
mental retardation reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article harrisji uvcc writes chromosome studies shown abnormalities enzyme studies urine analyses turned ordinary images brain show scar tissue white matter subsequent analysis shown deterioration white matter progressive family history children afflicted disorder autosomal recessive metabolic disorder kind naturally disease gain insight expect disorder progress future able provide normal children information expect children leukodystrophies adrenal boys surely university pediatric neurology department step biopsies peripheral nerves affected diseases symptoms gave time agree surmise autosomal recessive normal children worry marry relatives recessive genes rare inbred communities lithuanian jews gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
paxil request organization acadia university lines acadiau james skinner writes couple postings refering called paxil prozac number years recently switched zolf comparsion prozac paxil zolft prozac enlight differences side effect profile james robie skinner jodrey school computer science james skinner acadiau acadia university wolfville canada 
barbecued foods health risk reply rousseaua message nntp posting host cyanamid organization american cyanamid company lines heat shock proteins expression induced response elevated temperature made organisms subjected stress conditions high salt obvious connection burn proteins sanford silverman opinions expressed american cyanamid sandy cyanamid silvermans cyanamid yeast 
radiologist read ultrasound reply dougb comm organization motorola land mobile products sector nntp posting host lines wife ultrasound machine office doctor hear fetal heartbeat weeks ultrasound visit wife asked doctor office read ultrasounds radiologist read pictures doctor vehemently insisted qualified read ultrasound radiologists wife concerned show couple months back dateline expert fetal ultrasounds radiologist showing deffects detected ultrasound wife concerned pictures radiologist opinion find expert chicago special medical reason concerned radiologist able things thoughts doug bank private systems division dougb comm motorola communications sector dougb schaumburg illinois dougb acns 
good grief candida albicans reply bitnet organization university albany suny lines article noring noring writes article rind harvard david rind writes article davpa david partain writes recently diagnosed candida albicans disease find information apparently body production yeast time highly allergic yeast info disease posting small amount extracted required mail albany takes time upload advised request info infotrac health reference center check local univeristy library infotrac info infotrac health reference center heading candida albicans dictionary definition mosby medical nursing dictionary edition copyright mosby company candida albicans common budding yeastlike microscopic fungal organism present mucous membranes mouth intestinal tract vagina skin healthy people circumstances superficial infections mouth vagina commonly invasive systemic infection toxic reaction candidiasis infotrac health reference center material contained health reference center provided informational purposes construed medical advice instruction consult health professional advice relating medical problem condition heading candida albicans yogurt cure candida acidophilus east west natural health july august text text copyright east west partners folk remedy receives blessing medical study researchers found eating yogurt drastically reduces woman chances vaginal candida yeast infection year long study researchers long island jewish medical center hyde park york recruited women suffered chronic yeast infections months women ounces yogurt lactobacillus acidophilus months women yogurt researchers examined women month found incidents colonization infection significantly lower period women yogurt fungus candida albicans live body harm overproliferation fungus leads infection researchers concluded acidophilus bacteria found brands yogurt retard overgrowth fungus streptococcus thermophilus bulgaricus bacteria commonly commercial yogurt production appears exert protective effect candida albicans women yogurt preventive measure choose brand lists acidophilus contents infotrac health reference center material contained health reference center provided informational purposes construed medical advice instruction consult health professional advice relating medical problem condition heading candida albicans candida monilia infections caused fungi infectious diseases harold columbia univ coll physicians surgeons complete home medical guide edition text text copyright crown publishers candida monilia disease caused candida albicans fungus carry time circumstances organisms proliferate producing symptomatic infection mouth intestines vagina skin mouth vagina infected disease commonly called thrush vaginitis caused candida afflicts women birth control pills antibiotics itching white cheesy discharge narcotic addicts candida infections lead heart valve inflammation diagnosis candida infections confirmed cultures blood tests treatment amphotericin orally ketoconazole evidence candida intestine normal individuals leads disease people time candida intestines claims benefit special diets chronic antifungal agents based solid evidence hope informative larry live york saturday night tonight special guest lawrence silverberg state university york albany albany 
diagnose lyme disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host king arthur watson organization watson research center lines article pitt gordon banks writes article lehigh marc gabriel writes culturing diagnose hard culture cases point developed feel years experience serology match call quack accuse make quick buck called quack quacks cultures tests lyme times tests accurate treat practice exclusively devoted treating lyme patients orthopedic surgeons pattern arguing lyme test accurate books read general tests chance correct tests result large number false positives false negatives case odds rolling dice ralph yozzo yozzo beautiful historic york state hudson valley 
barbecued foods health risk organization university mexico albuquerque lines nntp posting host carina article sfegus buffalo writes article portal mark robert thorson writes called delany amendment makes carcinogenic food additives illegal amount passed congress mind illegal commercially produce sell food carcinogenic substances illegal people food smoking true whoa address smoking foods brian 
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good grief candida albicans organization dyer computer consulting cambridge article noring noring writes convincing evidence disease exists evidence adequately gathered published convince hard melancholic skeptics quiver everytime word anecdote empirical snort sinuses ivker wrote book sinus survival classic textbook laughed einstein treatment systemic anti fungal nizoral patients braod spectrum anti biotics times years record results patients found patients significant relief allergic sinus symptoms beginning program yeah tomorrow world listen uncontrolled studies worthless case reported weeks developing classic symptoms outlined yeast connection agree poorly written book extreme sensitivity plastics vapors started november week full dosage sporanox sensitivity chemicals fully disappeared couch home dying minutes greatly improved areas sound typical hysteric hypochondriac responds miracle cures allergy symptoms allergic molds yeasts rocket scientist figure excessive colonization yeast body natural allergy yeasts threshold reached perceptible symptoms yeah makes sense snort yeast produce toxins sorts rocket scientist realize toxins problems people yeah sounds reasonable question person immune compromised tests showed years antibiotics nutritionally deficiencies stress infections allergies tests immune compromised credulous malingerer psychiatric syndrome develop excessive yeast colonization body tough question answer testing excessive yeast colonization easy empirical approach diagnosis fortunately sporanox safe unlike past anti fungals careful reason longer withhold sporanox treatment empirical reasons shame drug itraconazole misused ridiculously expensive potentially toxic trouble toxic abused quacks nystatin yeast grows hyphae deep tissue nystatin permanent affect find people nystatin time good thing nystatin cheap orally toxic oral nystatin systemic effect effect sinuses quacks nystatin amphotericin people solve yeast problem summary attempts desire medicine road methinks hold firmly party line academics trenches long treating patients doctors included face evidence yeast connection guarantee safety incompetence ripping lips justified concerned haldol long ameliorating symptoms paying treatment pocket hate insurance premiums steve dyer dyer major spdcc harvard rayssd linus spdcc dyer 
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seizures infantile spasms organization university wisconsin claire lines reply dufault enet metabolic tests body structure tests infection virus tests doctors type siezures alot evidence pointing infantile spasms stand types disorders understood medical community infantile spasms understood time pediatric neurologist strongly recommend anticonvulsant released called felbamate helpful infantile spasms learning seizures doctor nurse local support group david nyeda uwec midelfort clinic claire patently absurd wishes philosopher learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell 
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info vasomotor rhinitis organization programs university georgia athens lines nntp posting host aisun disclaimer sufferer doctor sharp distinction allergic vasomotor rhinitis basically vasomotor rhinitis means nose stuffy reason identifiable allergy decongestants steroid sprays work vasomotor rhinitis surprising relief purely superficial measures saline moisturizing spray moisturizing michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio 
ovarian cancer treatment centers organization rohm haas company lines relative mine recently diagnosed stage papillary cell ovarian cancer urgently seeking place country treatment suggestions suspect time essence 
broken almanac organization frog almanac nanaimo keywords advice needed summary long term problems lines conference question commercial fisherman fell weeks hold boat broke cracked wrenched bruised back left question doctor told heal long term effect work hard able back work thing worries movement clunking feel hear back move ways heard talking broke years bothers opinions cheers almanac john cross frog almanac home almanac unix users group vancouver island british columbia waffle xenix 
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hismanal side effects organization lenoir rhyne college hickory lines medications linked rapid excessive weight gain distorted sense taste smell hismanal azmacort topical steroid prevent asthma vancenase guessed allergy sufferer beginning suspect victim toliberal prescription allergist simply inquired symptons suffering chronic asthma attacks gave battery allergy tests checklist drugs photocopied sheet gained eaten differently vsuffered depression fatigue experienced foul smell sense taste months mentioned lack smell taste sinuses swollen looked nose light ears prescribed prednisone sulfatrim severe headaches rash resulted week worth prednisone rhinoscopy bleeding ulcer polyps sinus cavities doctor suggestions advice 
endometriosis summary rare condition organization pegasus honolulu lines article naomi concert naomi courter writes give information endometriosis heard common disease women provide names specialist surgeon north carolina research triangle park area raleigh durham chapel hill familiar condition naomi naomi yellow pages find listing obgyn area obgyn familiar endometriosis treatments shalom howard 
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mind machines summary mind machines work keywords mind sleep light sound organization tripos associates lines recently learned devices supposedly induce specific brain wave frequencies users simply wearing mind machines consist gogles head phones microprocessor controls strobe closed send sound pulses sync flashing leds understand devices experimental heard claims induce sleep light trance states relaxation essentially supposed work drugs work reported incredibly sources biased selling things friend claims home mind machines light sound machines work induce alpha theta delta waves person wearing research lieu tranquilizer quackery homer homer 
paxil request organization virginia public education network radford lines fact asked questions doctor told paxil cleaner produces fewer side effects comparison zoloft prozac able remember differences drugs 
burzynski antineoplastons jschwimmer wesleyan josh schwimmer distribution world organization wesleyan university middletown nntp posting host consultants wesleyan lines recently listened tape stanislaw burzynski claims discovered series naturally occuring peptides anti cancer properties names antineoplastons burzynski work hostility united states favorable responses subjects clinical trials generally accepted opinion burzynski research paints lone researcher breakthrough battling intolerant medical establishment basis judge claims weeks read department alternative medicine decided focus attention burzynski work budget small imagine investigate treatment promising opinions burzynski antineoplastons information current status research appreciated joshua schwimmer jschwimmer wesleyan 
radiologist read ultrasound organization university pittsburgh lines article dougb comm writes wife ultrasound machine office doctor hear fetal heartbeat weeks ultrasound visit wife asked doctor office read ultrasounds radiologist read pictures doctor vehemently insisted qualified read ultrasound radiologists stuff deleted sticky areas medicine battles frequently rage respect suspect certified ultrasound diagnostics allowed bill cardiologists ultrasound echocardiography fact considered experts stand regard suspect good radioligists flame retardant suit ready kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit programmer 
ltitude adjustment summary adjust level organization macdonald dettwiler commerce parkway richmond canada lines live level called travel high altitude cities frequently business cities question feet altitude polluted feel faint days feel lightheaded heart pound level cities tend drink water dehydrating drinks caffeine alcohol thing symptoms ensure short trips week acclimatize comfortable long time possibly years discussion altitude adjustment saved messages vida 
info vasomotor rhinitis organization university pittsburgh lines article draper gtefsd writes recently attended allery seminar steroid nasal sprays discussed afterward basis asked speaker vancanese beconase nasalide nasalcort nasalchrom work oral decongestants work replied article vasomotor rhinitis allergic reaction afrin work case true recent research vasomotor rhinitis shows ipratroprium bromide atrovent inhaled nasally effective treatment sufferers approved nasal adaptor canada approve drug oral inhaler copd adapted intranasal kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit programmer 
relief pain caused cancer organization chevron lines proper group post years mother diagnosed cancer lymph nodes arms doctors removed cancerous area full movement slight aching moved years aching severe complaining doctors produced explanation scar tissue causing pain time doctor suggested physiotherapy employed break scar tissue attending therapy sessions manipulated damage occured nerve caused level pain permanently increase severly controlled tylenol loss palsied wrist outward lateral movement great persistence part doctors looked issue discovered cancer removed tumor grown removed pain decreased doctors pain persisting feel sort nerve damage occured employed tylenol morphine relieve pain acupuncture minor reductions pain short term questions heard similar cases reduce levels pain methods block nerves pain reduced methods restore nerves loss function restored general suggestions pain reduction greatly appreciated respond email chance read group literature case newsgroup posting appreciated gregory luft internet vgwlu chevron chevron petroleum techonology company calgary alberta canada 
cutane fibromyalgia syndrome lines nyeda uwec david person fido echo claims cured taking accutane claims treatment fibromyalgia syndrome accutane treatment fibromyalgia syndrome good results aware double blind studies accutane conditions advance replies rename waco wacko 
krillean photography nntp posting host huey udel organization scraps paper lines means girlie photography good place find descript places books building black white john berryhill 
good grief candida albicans organization netcom line communication services guest lines dyer steve dyer writes article noring noring writes convincing evidence disease exists evidence adequately gathered published convince hard melancholic skeptics quiver everytime word anecdote empirical snort sinuses ivker wrote book sinus survival classic textbook laughed einstein treatment systemic anti fungal nizoral patients braod spectrum anti biotics times years record results patients found patients significant relief allergic sinus symptoms beginning program yeah tomorrow world listen uncontrolled studies worthless case reported weeks developing classic symptoms outlined yeast connection agree poorly written book extreme sensitivity plastics vapors started november week full dosage sporanox sensitivity chemicals fully disappeared couch home dying minutes greatly improved areas sound typical hysteric hypochondriac responds miracle cures allergy symptoms allergic molds yeasts rocket scientist figure excessive colonization yeast body natural allergy yeasts threshold reached perceptible symptoms yeah makes sense snort yeast produce toxins sorts rocket scientist realize toxins problems people yeah sounds reasonable question person immune compromised tests showed years antibiotics nutritionally deficiencies stress infections allergies tests immune compromised credulous malingerer psychiatric syndrome develop excessive yeast colonization body tough question answer testing excessive yeast colonization easy empirical approach diagnosis fortunately sporanox safe unlike past anti fungals careful reason longer withhold sporanox treatment empirical reasons shame drug itraconazole misused ridiculously expensive potentially toxic trouble toxic abused quacks nystatin yeast grows hyphae deep tissue nystatin permanent affect find people nystatin time good thing nystatin cheap orally toxic oral nystatin systemic effect effect sinuses quacks nystatin amphotericin people solve yeast problem summary attempts desire medicine road methinks hold firmly party line academics trenches long treating patients doctors included face evidence yeast connection guarantee safety incompetence ripping lips justified concerned haldol long ameliorating symptoms paying treatment pocket hate insurance premiums steve dyer dyer rude medicine totally scientific endevour practiced disorganized manner early treatment life threatening illness guess hazarded anecdotal evidence patient educated guess trained person guess cheaper simpler medicate deal people respond diseases root diseases read book gastroenterology scientific methods patient freedom choice experimental method choose recognized doctors medicine answers person relief taking medicine miracle cure valid argue reasoning conclusions disparaging attack unwarranted present convincing argument beliefs wasting time hominem attack jackie 
hismanal side effects organization dyer computer consulting cambridge lines article kjiv writes medications linked rapid excessive weight gain distorted sense taste smell hismanal azmacort topical steroid prevent asthma vancenase hismanal astemizole linked weight gain peculiar antihistamines effect antihistamine astemizole purportedly cross blood brain barrier drowsiness steve dyer dyer major spdcc harvard rayssd linus spdcc dyer 
sensitivity superstition organization carleton university ottawa canada lines article jchen bellcore writes funny thing personaly stories reactions vary greatly heart beat speeded flush face claim heart skipped beats symptoms related tachycardia flushed face heart pumping blood faster regular pulse suspect related increase sodium levels blood note sodium chloride monosodium glutamate sodium compounds bodies require sodium good thing reacted headache related increased blood flow increased heart rate sodium distended crainial arteries essentially headaches discrepency necessarily stomach ache stomache ache vomiting tend related necessarily discrepency related reaction vomiting occurs response noxious compound organism eaten person digest stuff list stuff people allergic long lacks enzyme break gastrointestinal distress stomach belly ache expected watery eyes running nose respiratory reactions considered similar vomitting body dispose noxious compounds adaptiove responses food environmental compound responsible symptoms important remember effets additive synergystic subtractive dish person exposed respiratory sound suspicious resopiration heart rate connected things body simple inetractive place vertebrate body itchy skin rashes people respond myriad ways compound depends compound pisses body pollen plants aggrivates breathing people inhaled sets immune system histamine attack launched immune system overboard causing allergic person misery allergy pollens trouble herb teas pollens chamomile linden drinking substance perturb person system inhaling accusations include respiration difficulty heart rate circulatory problems deadly brain damage area brain effected neuroendocrine system controlling release gonadotropin supra hormone controlling cyclical release testosterone estradiol somatostatin steroids testing effective dose unethical vomiting guess number suspect problem case food poisoning absolutely synergystic mess eating undetected shrimp mushrooms allergic alcohol inhaling diesel fumes biking home contracted days drinking glass sorts things heard things sick food poisoning stomach undetected thing allergic human body machine people vary widely responses reactions combinations things dianne murray wcsbeau carleton 
eumemics eugenics organization portal system lines person posted stuff newsgroup highly selected quotes stripped context complete posting quoted lacking context postings made years type eugenics sooner mapping human genome start work manipulation genome genetic engineering able insert genes breeding hybrids ethical question make race disease free long lived arnold schwartzenegger muscled supermen years disassemble assemble bodies molecular level flawless cosmetic surgery flawless cosmetic psychosurgery store prices shelf priced coded goods head catch errors make store favor safeway mentally edit spell check responses questions posed phone caller selling vacation time share options today nation risk threat genes memes memes basic units culture opposed genes units genetics stand brink meme amplification technologies harmful memes restricted destructive power rampant countryside laying waste real benefits future technology offer jeremy rifkin busy whip emotions genetically engineered tomatoes development calgene inventing harmful memes virtual memetic typhoid mary expand public health laws include quarantine people harmful memes allowed infect people memes genetically engineered food electromagnetic fields space shuttle solid rocket boosters 
sensitivity superstition organization quake public access fernando valley lines chemist food industry businessman personally able evil mosters goal inflict pain disease general public gimme break article lundby walter undby writes thing monosodium glutamate sensitivity superstition experience contrary person sensitive wife kids food industry food makes food taste salt food reason understand industry give reasons industrial byproduct person recycling case cover fact recipes good food poor quality occasion case general idea improves flavor foods sadistic pleasure making sick taste testers defect flavor sensors mouth corrects understand nitrosiamines recall natural products heating foods number criteria choosing process food make taste good good sell good price fact tells contributes goals interested goals making people sick goal woud quickly drive business benefit outlaw substances warning labels large packages warning california requiring carcinogen labeled includes gasline pump foods money cleaning machines nickel mild carcinogen result pays attention warnings require comparable products market free substances state free dyes nitrosiamines sulfites package people wanted ugly rotten tasty food guess wasted terribly efficient outlaw yellow matter food makes food food good vitamin companies fine make vitamins flavored vitamins kids swallow conventional food food quit putting junk define junk putting salt food pepper alcohol preservative sealing jars vinegar chemicals food fact foods chemicals expressing irrational prejudice food processing brian 
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home medical tests organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host hela cwru current sources lists home medical tests legally trend allowing tests home feasible decreased medical costs factor patient time privacy action results tests fact home medical tests basic tests diseases cancer heart disease offered free american public reduce national medical costs earlier opportunity work recuperation cure mike romano admit rule poet fool serve show fool poet pope 
selective placebo gated usenet rosemail gateway organization rose media toronto ontario lines romdas berkeley ella baff writes roth recommends hypoglycemia confirmed proper channels diet omitted proper channels sounds suspiciously glad caught purpose forum educate eager learn facts life phrase bridle frenzy respondents feel left proper authorities consulted topic short means absolutely blood chemistry glucose tolerance suddenly chemistry exists perfectly person saved needless trouble expense simple muscle testing hair analysis diagnose confirm aberrant physiology muscle testing hair analysis fascinating space medical techniques pyramid night shrink brain back normal mind expanding save earth clinic able understand dick king post diseases evaluate statistic cited england journal medicine coul figure wrestle possibility conceivably able understand answer question thought post misc health alterna tive insist insinuating untrained medical delusional notions health disease forum suspect apparent anger heteropathic medicine psychoanalytical rascal figured underlying father problem confirm surrogate muscle testing patients ponder theory previously weak indicator muscles strengthens reservations unique methods diagnosis john badanes romdas berkeley start teaching stuff absolutely dying learn spinal adjustments head straight mind freudian subluxation rosereader world rosemail usenet rose media hamilton 
diet works great organization omen technology portland rain forest lines article pitt gordon banks writes article uucp chuck forsberg writes weight rebound term medical literature obesity denote weight regain lost diet cycle number terms thing provide reference substantiate gaining back lost weight constitute weight rebound exceeds starting weight oral tradition shared obesity researchers obesity europe proceedings european congress obesity annals acad gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender chuck forsberg tektronix reed omen author ymodem zmodem professional zcomm omen technology high reliability software sauvie portland 
broken keywords advice needed organization pittsburgh transplant institute lines article almanac writes fell weeks hold boat broke cracked wrenched bruised back left question doctor told heal long term effect work hard able back work thing worries movement clunking feel hear back move ways heard talking broke years bothers opinions doctor taking pain medication initially patients expect demand cases physicians tape patient heavy adhesive tape chest prescribe elastic binder make harder breath patient feel cheated soemthing problem results howard doyle doyle 
altitude adjustment reply balick organization nynex science technology lines article vida vida morkunas writes live level called travel high altitude cities frequently business cities question feet altitude polluted mexico city bogota feel faint days feel lightheaded heart pound level cities tend drink water dehydrating drinks caffeine alcohol thing symptoms ensure short trips week acclimatize comfortable unconventional remedy altitude sickness andes chewing coca leaves taking teas made coca leaves notice natives wads mouths obtained american pharmacies remedy alleviates lightheadedness dizziness travelling hiking peru ecuador amount cocaine ingest minute highs good idea lightly dress warm adjusting high altitudes 
kidney stones organization west virginia network educational telecomputing lines girlfriend pain kidney stones medical insurance removed question treat mitigate effects deeply appreciated advice referral literature dave carvell wvnet 
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selective placebo lines nntp posting host fred roth roth writes romdas berkeley ella baff writes roth recommends hypoglycemia confirmed proper channels diet omitted proper channels sounds suspiciously glad caught purpose forum educate eager learn facts life phrase bridle frenzy respondents feel left proper authorities consulted topic short means absolutely description content ronroth posts date entertainment diminishing 
sudden numbness organization utcc lines experienced sudden numbness left morning completed deep squats today weight training beginning routine sudden felt sleep cold turned pale lost strength weight squats heavy working hard effort waited minutes shake back life continued chest exercises flyes lighter dumbells dropped left dumbell experienced continued weakness quit training decided usual hour machine easy rest numb significantly weaker normal hand tingles thumb color returned normal longer cold horrid thoughts chunks plaque blocking major artery brain vegetarian pretty daily exercise regimen pinched nerve symptoms hope happened happened molnar unix systems group university toronto computing communications 
good grief candida albicans organization university california berkeley lines distribution world nntp posting host uclink berkeley doctors included face evidence yeast connection guarantee safety incompetence ripping lips justified concerned sound candida albicans john badanes romdas berkeley 
good grief candida albicans organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article dyer steve dyer writes article noring noring writes good grief anger touched nerve symptoms resisted treatments sporanox totally alleviated week hmm psychotic yess illness mind steve correct diagnosis experience trenches treating hundreds patients week forever debt oops gotta white coats ready happy home twiddle thumbs basket weave moan sinuses charter member infj club dying infj means brave mail send info noring noring international fred gourmet chocolate carlton place phone chips world livermore mail read psychology personality action 
modified sense taste cancer keywords cancer organization digital equipment corporation lines lack taste foods sense taste eating foods cancer happen stage breast cancer taking tamoxifin stage lung cancer metastasis taking klonopin cranial radiation treatments doctor understand family member illness 
angry doctor lines organization space telescope science institute distribution justified pissed doctor saturday evening year finger badly knife local urgent general care clinic clinic open till receptionist back told doctor back told doctor someplace delayed minutes response questions trips back room receptionist told doctor paperwork back doctor finger advise emergency room doctor speak doctor asked charge clinic realize private clinic emergency room angry turned doctor bothered stitches emergency room find charge clinic write letter foot clinic mary ryan mryan space telescope science institute baltimore maryland 
psychoactives organization colorado springs division lines nntp posting host hpcspe posted psychoactives response group note users psychoactives group originally takeoff reason formation group discuss prescription psychoactive drugs antidepressents cyclics prozac lithium antipsychotics melleral drugs anafranil long group degenerate psudo drugs atmosphere folks wanted start group place left back cypher hundreds unrelated articles find psychoactive data discuss real life experiences side effects mentioned unsubscribed group time decided check today changed nope crap articles group intended hard meaningfull group moderated cares bill claussen interested starting similar moderated group bill claussen 
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acutane fibromyalgia syndrome organization louisiana tech university lines nntp posting host engr latech newsreader version daniel prince daniel prince calcom socal wrote rename waco wacko joke remember people waco david koresh lunatic happened waco lovely town living home flakes sensitive 
good grief candida albicans organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article romdas berkeley ella baff writes doctors included face evidence yeast connection guarantee safety incompetence ripping lips justified concerned sound candida albicans anger people lips candida overcolonized fungus charter member infj club dying infj means brave mail send info noring noring international fred gourmet chocolate carlton place phone chips world livermore mail read psychology personality action 
thrush good grief candida albicans organization dyer computer consulting cambridge lines article mccurdy sdsu mccurdy writes dyer rude yeah yeah yeah threaten lips snort people blinded knowledge unopen established medical community surprised outlook record outbreaks thrush past years indication immunosuppression nutritional deficiencies antobiotics listen thrush recognized clinical syndrome definite characteristics thrush thrush lesions culture treat generally responds immunocompromised noring anal retentive idee fixe fungal infection sinuses category walking neurasthenics convinced candida reading quack book dentist sees fair amount thrush recommended acidophilous began taking acidophilous daily basis outbreaks ceased quit taking acidophilous outbreaks periodically resumed resumed taking acidophilous outbreaks steve dyer dyer major spdcc harvard rayssd linus spdcc dyer 
reference multiple personalities disorders allergies organization netcom online communications services login guest lines heard hand form information recently published results study multiple personality disorder syndrome patients revealing interesting clues root allergy psychological trigger basis heard study personality mpds patient exhibited observable clinical signs inhalant allergy scratch tests heard personalities showed obvious allergy symptoms including testing full scratch tests inhalants true fascinating study study showed study published noring charter member infj club dying infj means brave mail send info noring noring international fred gourmet chocolate carlton place phone chips world livermore mail read psychology personality action 
diet works great organization university mexico albuquerque lines nntp posting host carina article uucp chuck forsberg writes article pitt gordon banks writes provide reference substantiate gaining back lost weight constitute weight rebound exceeds starting weight oral tradition shared obesity researchers obesity europe proceedings european congress obesity annals acad hmm references passive aggressive behavior weight rebound brian 
food related seizures reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article dozonoff david ozonoff writes cereals corn based post looked literature located articles implicated corn tryptophan seizures idea corn diet potentiate existing latent seizure disorder check kellog cereals corn based interested years intern obese young woman brought comatose reported grand seizures attending corn festival pumped stomach obtained couple liters corn intact kernals hours woke fine tempted sign acute corn intoxication gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
kidney stones reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article wvnet writes girlfriend pain kidney stones medical insurance removed question treat mitigate effects deeply appreciated advice referral literature morphine demerol effective stopping pain severe prescription drugs county hospital gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
aids acupuncture needles organization university california berkeley lines distribution world nntp posting host uclink berkeley wrote expressing concern aids acupuncture needles friend sharing fluids acupuncturist aids impossible aids acupuncture needles generally accidently inoculated normal immune response effectively handle minimal contaminant involved acupuncture needle insertion acupuncturists disposable needles throw concerned transmission diseases route good business advertise disposable needlesused needles tend lower quality poorly manufactured sharp opinion tend snag bloodvessels insertion compared higher quality needles choose acupuncture complaint patient needles sterilized treatments risk hepatitis transmission mistakenly infected persons needles accidently wrong patient clear labelling paying attention eliminates risk quality needles tend slide past vessels nerves avoiding unpleasant painful snags hematomas acupuncture needles lengths thicknesses solid compared injection style cousins china herbal solutionsand western pharmaceuticals occasionally injected meridian points purported physiologic effects require hollow needles injecting fluid medicine means thinkingtiny samll amount tissue diameter needle bore injected body typical shot skin puntured hand solid acupuncture needle inserted skin squeeze needle level insertion cooties schmeared alcohol insertion tend remain surface skin minimizing invasion exterior body exterior protected protective infection words normal inflammatory immune response accompanies tissue damage incurred puncture site fairly friend transferable disease transmitted acupuncture needle insertion complaint consulted acupuncturist harmful helpful john badanes romdas berkeley 
radiologist read ultrasound organization anderson cancer center lines distribution world nntp posting host rpidev useragent nuntius xxmessage xxdate article kenneth gilbert kxgst writes sticky areas medicine battles frequently rage respect suspect certified ultrasound diagnostics allowed bill cardiologists ultrasound echocardiography fact considered experts stand regard suspect good radioligists flame retardant suit ready wife insist radiologist involved process radiologist intensively trained process interpreting diagnostic imaging data aware things physicians aware radiologist deliver baby wouldn read ultrasound study opinion process involve radiologist draper repar radiologic pathologic institute university texas anderson cancer center draper 
corneal erosion abrasions organization plasma fusion center lines nntp posting host nerus years dealing reccurring corneal erosion problem current episode pretty located middle cornea usual treatment puncture therapy doctor time heal putting contact lens protect area apparently problem common curious similar problem found mark london 
altitude adjustment organization winco lines article vida vida morkunas writes live level called travel high altitude cities frequently business cities question feet altitude polluted mexico city bogota feel faint days feel lightheaded heart pound level cities tend drink water dehydrating drinks caffeine alcohol thing symptoms ensure short trips week acclimatize comfortable days early preliminary acclimatization takes days takes weeks months full acclimatization experiencing 
good grief candida albicans organization beth israel hospital harvard medical school boston mass lines nntp posting host enterprise harvard article noring noring writes article rind harvard david rind writes convincing evidence disease exists evidence adequately gathered published convince hard melancholic skeptics quiver everytime word anecdote empirical evidence convince credulous evidence identical sort evidence justify sorts quack treatments quack diseases past medicine road methinks hold firmly party line academics trenches long treating patients implication quacks making millions diseases biased doubt existence understand real world easy picture centure snake salesman thing trenches long multiple quack diseases rise fall popularity systemic yeast syndome making resurgence fallen years diseases selling books expensive therapies doctors included face evidence yeast connection guarantee safety incompetence ripping lips justified concerned convincing guess start diagnosing illnesses people lips david rind rind harvard 
burzynski antineoplastons distribution world lines good source information burzynski method cancer industry pulitzer prize nominee ralph moss profit organization called people cancer formed purpose allowing cancer patients access information cancer therapies endorsed cancer industry shown highly promising results toxic interested cancer therapy contact organi zation asap people cancer otho peace greg nigh 
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thrush good grief candida albicans organization diego state university lines distribution world nntp posting host ucsvax sdsu news software vnews article aldridge jacquelin aldri writes dyer steve dyer writes dyer rude medicine totally scientific endevour practiced disorganized manner early treatment life threatening illness guess hazarded anecdotal evidence patient educated guess trained person guess cheaper simpler medicate deal people respond dyer rude people blinded knowledge unopen established medical community surprised outlook record outbreaks thrush past years indication immunosuppression nutritional deficiencies antobiotics dentist sees fair amount thrush recommended acidophilous began taking acidophilous daily basis outbreaks ceased quit taking acidophilous outbreaks periodically resumed resumed taking acidophilous outbreaks mike mccurdy university computing services disclaimer diego state university mccurdy sdsu wrong 
barbecued foods health risk organization nasa langley research center hampton lines reply jason austin nntp posting host larc nasa reply rsilver message article rsilver richard silver writes recent postings remind read risks barbecuing foods carcinogens generated valid concern function smoke elevated temperatures function cooking elements wood charcoal lava rocks read mixed opinions singed meat carcinogens barbecued meat meal risk live life edge grill food read petroleum based charcoal starter unwanted toxins food unwanted odor carton cups dipped paraffin fire starters lights faster easier lighter fluid people told excellent results chimney basically steel cylinder wholes punched side meaning presented shopping make coffee coffee beans laying jason austin austin nasa 
seizures infantile spasms keywords seizures epilepsy reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article dufault enet writes database newsgroup mentioned information relating disorder hearing play doctor gather information types disorders understood medical community internet give alittle insight database infantile spasms newsgroup medical library source information gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
diagnose lyme reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article yozzo ralph yozzo writes called quack quacks cultures tests lyme arguing lyme test accurate culture spirochete virtually patient lyme suppose contamination exceptionally sloppy false positives gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
residency reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article donald mackie umich donald mackie writes fmgs citizens aliens difficult situation citizens vote citizens interest legislators citizen middle processing resident alien status stron sense rocking boat suing residency program delay granting status aware foreign doctors admitted training ineligible apply resident alien status order green card return country apply embassy problem agreeing practice town congressman district tacks rider bill allowed permanent residency bills congress riders attached marrying citizen common cracking citizens follow spouse back phillipines whereever gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
liver spots reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article cash peter cash writes brown spots older people hands called liver spots sort liver colored actual liver dysfunction senile keratoses liver gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
dana faber cancer institute organization anasazi phoenix arizona keywords dana faber cancer institute lines article salim chalmers salim chagan writes send adress dana faber cancer institute boston missing dana farber cancer institute binney street boston karl dussik alumnus department biostatistics epidemiology 
food related seizures lines newsreader sharon paulson paulson larc nasa wrote deleted fact happened eating sugar coated cereals made kellog makes allergic reaction coating cereals family kathryn shows signs fever running nose itchy eyes allergies family history including weird food allergies nuts mushrooms cereals corn based post looked literature located articles implicated corn tryptophan seizures idea corn diet potentiate existing latent seizure disorder check kellog cereals corn based interested david ozonoff boston university school public health dozonoff itvax east concord boston 
imitrex heart attacks organization mcdonnell douglas aerospace lines distribution world nntp posting host girlfriend started taking imitrex migraine headaches neurologist diagnosed depression suffering rebound headaches daily doses analgesics stopped taking analgesics caffine thursday weekend pretty made imitrex hours injection imitrex worst withdrawl friday hours left sick skin flushed sweating vomiting severe headache pain subsided hour taking imitrex needed control pain immediately taking increased head pain minutes dizziness mild nausea mild chest pains friend mentioned doctor wary imitrex caused heart attacks people apparently mild chest pains common people prior attacks rumor heard symptoms girlfriend mitral valve prolapse opinions mine definately lauger mcdonnell douglas aerospace huntington beach california 
sensitivity superstition nntp posting host organization national research council canada lines article dougb doug bank writes dougb doug bank subject sensitivity superstition date article david micro david thomas writes lots editing previuos posts anecdotal story picky eater wanted chinese food finally order time heard chinese restaurant syndrome group restaurant shared dishes taste great decided home early woke puked guts outs threw long kidding pulled muscle tongue heaves sick allergic suffice wont chinese restaurant physically threatened smell food makes psycholgical reaction dragged suffer beef broccoli sauces insist sick funny wife girlfriend time sick eating foods asian restaurants knew pale sweaty vomit copiously couple ventured connection response happened pigged brands savoury crackers chips noticed label double blinds avoiding stopped sick restaurants cheers john john nash email nash institute biological sciences national research council canada cell physiology group ottawa ontario canada disclaimer opinions mine 
interview doctor nntp posting host drums reasoning organization reasoning systems palo alto lines insurance company encourages annual physicals thinking biannual physicals good idea shopping good assembled wisdom suggest things point archive topic email suspect topic real clutter bait 
sudden numbness reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article molnar canet molnar writes experienced sudden numbness left morning completed deep squats today weight training beginning routine sudden felt sleep cold turned pale lost strength weight squats heavy working hard effort waited minutes shake back life continued chest exercises flyes lighter dumbells dropped left dumbell experienced continued weakness quit training decided usual hour machine easy rest numb significantly weaker normal hand tingles thumb color returned normal longer cold horrid thoughts chunks plaque blocking major artery brain vegetarian pretty daily exercise regimen pinched nerve symptoms hope chunks plaque sounds neurovascular compromise medical attention weight lifting gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
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hicn medical newsletter part reply david david dodell distribution world organization stat gateway service lines hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april gonorrhea colorado source mmwr date number reported cases gonorrhea colorado increased declining steadily comparison united states reported cases gonorrhea continued decreasing trend report summarizes analysis increase gonorrhea colorado characterizes trends occurrence disease cases gonorrhea reported colorado department health compared cases reported reported cases increased females males table similar increases occurred blacks whites hispanics number reported cases race increased constituted reported cases largest proportional increases groups occurred persons aged years greater equal years groups accounted reported cases persons year group accounted largest number reported cases gonorrhea highest group specific rate reported cases gonorrhea increased county denver metropolitan area population decreased state table half cases gonorrhea denver metropolitan area occurred census tracts represent neighborhoods considered sexually transmitted diseases stds acquired immunodeficiency syndrome aids field staff focus gang drug activity compared number gonorrhea cases diagnosed denver metro health clinic dmhc primary public clinic denver metropolitan area increased number visits males clinic increased concurrently number cases diagnosed women increased identified heterosexual number gonorrhea cases diagnosed dmhc increased comprised cases diagnosed males number cases diagnosed identified homosexual remained selected laboratories metropolitan denver area university hospital nonprofit family planning commercial contacted determine gonorrhea culture positivity rates increased gonorrhea culture positivity rates laboratories contacted increased rate virtually unchanged fourth nonprofit family planning reported cases gonorrhea whites hispanics colorado decreased comparison reported cases blacks hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april increased figure population colorado increased blacks hispanics whites gonorrhea rate blacks persons times whites times hispanics table black females reported cases gonorrhea increased year group black males cases increased year groups reported gershman finn spencer msph aids program hoffman state epidemiologist colorado dept health douglas denver dept health hospitals surveillance information systems sexually transmitted diseases prevention national center prevention svcs editorial note increase reported gonorrhea cases colorado represent increase occurrence disease complete reporting stimulated visitations laboratories surveillance staff increases confirmed gonorrhea cases dmhc culture positivity rates laboratories suggest real increase gonorrhea reporting artifact stable culture positivity rate nonprofit family planning laboratory serves network clinics statewide gonorrhea increase uniformly affect segments population explanation increased occurrence gonorrhea colorado gang drug related sexual behavior implicated recent outbreak drug resistant gonorrhea stds colorado springs high morbidity census tracts denver metropolitan area coincide areas gang drug activity hypothesis requires assessment examine role drug implicated previously factor contributing national increase syphilis aids program collecting information persons gonorrhea diagnosed drug exchange money drugs gang affiliation gonorrhea rate blacks colorado substantially exceeds national health objective year objective race risk marker risk factor gonorrhea stds risk markers identifying groups greatest risk stds targeting prevention efforts race specific variation rates reflect differences factors socioeconomic status access medical care high risk behaviors response increased occurrence gonorrhea colorado interventions initiated aids program include targeting partner notification denver metropolitan area persons groups increased risk year black females year black males implementing media campaign public service radio hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april announcements signs city buses newspaper advertisements posters schools clinics promote awareness risk prevention targeted primarily high risk groups developing teams peer educators perform educational outreach high risk neighborhoods educational interventions developed implemented assistance members target groups input forum community leaders health care providers references table cases selected notifiable diseases united states weeks ending december december week mmwr gang related outbreak penicillinase producing neisseria gonorrhoeae sexually transmitted diseases colorado springs colorado mmwr relationship syphilis drug prostitution connecticut philadelphia pennsylvania mmwr rolfs goldberg sharrar risk factors syphilis cocaine prostitution public health andrus fleming harger partner notification control epidemic syphilis intern gershman rolfs diverging gonorrhea syphilis trends real public health public health service healthy people national health promotion disease prevention objectives full report commentary washington department health human services public health service dhhs publication hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april effectiveness disease injury prevention impact adult safety belt restraint children years selected states source mmwr date motor vehicle crashes leading death children young adults united states account million years potential life lost annually child safety seats safety belts substantially reduce loss states passed legislation requiring child safety seats safety belts children laws reduce injuries young children estimated motor vehicle crash related injuries remain major disability death children occupant restraints children decreases inversely usage aged years aged years aged years addition parents safety belts restraints children characterize association adult safety belt adult reported consistent occupant restraints youngest child aged years household analyzed data obtained behavioral risk factor surveillance system brfss report summarizes findings study data respondents aged greater equal years states participated brfss population based random digit dialed telephone survey administered standard injury control child safety module developed respondents child aged years household respondent asked child frequency restraint child categories child restraint adult safety belt analysis consistent buckle consistent rarely buckle data weighted provide estimates representative state software survey data analysis sudaan calculate point estimates confidence intervals statistically significant differences defined values states type child restraint arizona kentucky maine nebraska rhode island west virginia requiring adults safety belts idaho maryland pennsylvania washington secondary enforcement mandatory safety belt vehicle stopped traffic violation citation nonuse safety belts issued state york primary enforcement mandatory safety belt vehicles stopped safety belt violation states child passenger protection hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april laws included children aged years states size child criteria mandatory restraint analysis report subgrouped states requiring adult safety belt states states children aged years reportedly consistently restrained automobile travel child restraint adult restraint significantly higher square test states states versus versus high rates restraint children aged equal year reported adults indicating consistent consistent safety belt figure adults consistent reported high rates child occupant restraint child range year olds year olds comparison adults reporting consistent safety belt rate child occupant restraint declined sharply child range year olds year olds comparing children consistent adult safety belt users children consistent adult safety belt users confidence intervals overlap youngest groups aged year reported child occupant restraint states generally exceeded states child table addition higher adult educational attainment significantly increased restraint children factor increased adult safety belt reported national center injury prevention control national center chronic disease prevention health promotion editorial note findings report consistent indicating adults safety belts employ occupant restraints children nonbelted adults increased risk crashing exhibit risk taking behaviors children traveling greater risk motor vehicle injury educational attainment adult respondents inversely child restraint report occupant protection programs promoted parents educational attainment educational attainment socioeconomic status programs offered adults health care facilities serve income communities federal programs head start directed parents young children injury prevention programs emphasize restraining young children addition efforts intensified protect child occupants hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april older parents educational attainment consistently wear safety belts states mandatory safety belt laws encouraged wear safety belts protect children approved child safety seats safety belts finally increased restraints children increase likelihood safety belts teenagers group characterized lowest rate safety belt highest rate fatal crashes references childhood injuries united states child partyka papers child restraints effectiveness washington department transportation national highway traffic safety administration report guerin mackinnon assessment california child passenger restraint requirement public health hall suttles progress report increasing child restraint usage local education distribution programs chapel hill north carolina university north carolina chapel hill highway safety research center national highway traffic safety administration occupant protection trends cities washington department transportation national highway traffic safety administration wagenaar molnar margolis characteristics child safety seat users accid anal prev shah barnwell hunt lavange software survey data analysis sudaan version software documentation research triangle park north carolina research triangle institute lund voluntary seat belt drivers geographic socioeconomic demographic variation accid anal prev margolis wagenaar molnar misuse automobile child restraint devices child hunter stutts stewart rodgman characteristics seatbelt users users state mandatory health education hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april research arizona idaho kentucky maine maryland nebraska york pennsylvania rhode island washington west virginia hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april publication surveillance summaries source mmwr date published surveillance summaries separate cover part mmwr series report published surveillance summaries focuses public health surveillance surveillance findings reported broad range risk factors health conditions summaries reports published recent march issue surveillance summaries provided subscribers mmwr receive surveillance summaries mmwr recommendations reports part subscriptions surveillance comparison birth defect prevalences geographic areas united states problem condition states developed surveillance systems monitor birth prevalence major defects reporting period covered report covers birth defects surveillance metropolitan atlanta georgia selected jurisdictions california years description system california birth defects monitoring program metropolitan atlanta congenital defects program population based surveillance systems employ similar data collection methods prevalence estimates diagnostic categories based data births california births metropolitan atlanta prevalences areas compared adjusting race maternal poisson regression results regional differences prevalence aortic stenosis fetal alcohol syndrome dislocation dysplasia microcephalus obstruction kidney ureter scoliosis lordosis attributable general diagnostic variability differences prevalences hand limb reduction encephalocele spina bifida trisomy syndrome attributable differences ascertainment defects easy diagnose interpretation regional differences prenatal diagnosis pregnancy termination affect prevalences trisomy spina bifida reason differences hand reduction unknown related variability environmental exposure heterogeneity gene pool random variation actions similarities data bases collaborative studies implemented differences birth prevalence spina bifida syndrome focus attention impact prenatal diagnosis authors jane schulman nancy hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april jensvold gary shaw california birth defects monitoring program march dimes birth defects foundation larry edmonds anne mcclearn division birth defects developmental disabilities national center environmental health influenza united states problem condition monitors emergence spread influenza virus variants impact influenza morbidity mortality annually october reporting period covered report covers influenza surveillance conducted october description system weekly reports vital statistics offices cities provided index influenza impact mortality collaborating laboratories reported weekly identification influenza viruses weekly morbidity reports received state territorial epidemiologists sentinel family practice physicians nonsystematic reports outbreaks unusual illnesses received year results influenza season influenza viruses identified united states essentially equal frequency regional temporal patterns predominance shifted season season increases indices influenza morbidity regions influenza predominated similar increases regions influenza predominated identified viruses influenza isolations subtype increased season waned subsequently predominated season season outbreaks nursing homes reported association influenza influenza interpretation alternating temporal geographic predominance influenza strains season emphasizes importance continual attention regional viral strain surveillance amantadine effective treatment prophylaxis influenza actions weekly interim analyses surveillance data produced season physicians public health officials make informed choices amantadine annual surveillance observed viral variants assessed candidates inclusion components vaccines subsequent influenza seasons authors louisa chapman epidemiology activity office director division viral rickettsial diseases national center infectious diseases margaret tipple division quarantine national center prevention services suzanne gaventa folger health investigations branch division health studies agency toxic substances disease registry maurice harmon connaught hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april laboratories pasteur mirieux company swiftwater pennsylvania alan kendal european regional office world health organization copenhagen denmark nancy influenza branch division viral rickettsial diseases national center infectious diseases lawrence schonberger epidemiology activity office director division viral rickettsial diseases national center infectious diseases reference surveillance summaries march mmwr hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april clinical research news clinical research news arizona physicians april tucson arizona published monthly office public affairs university arizona health sciences center copyright university arizona high tech assisted reproductive technologies birth vitro fertilization embryo transfer baby host assisted reproductive technologies developed include gamete intrafallopian tube transfer gift embryo cryopreservation freezing gamete micromanipulation technologies referred high tech assisted reproductive technology procedures ovulation induction sperm insemination surgery tubal disease pathology mainstays therapies infertility management fail proceed procedures addition comprehensive basic general infertility service university arizona center reproductive endocrinology infertility program assisted reproduction specializes procedures program serves tertiary provider patients state arizona infertility problems resolved traditional therapies article back describes procedures center clarifies applications considers realistic expectations success procedures included vitro fertilization embryo transfer gamete intrafallopian tube transfer gift cryopreservation human embryos gamete micromanipulation article considers ongoing research program directed improved success technologies hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april future areas research addition ongoing research directed exclusively management infertile couples developing technology assist couples risk producing embryos hereditary disease technology involves biopsying preimplantation human embryo subjecting biopsied cells genetic analysis amplification fluorescent situ hybridization recent reports successful application amplification centers diagnosis genes cystic fibrosis hemophilia hope apply focus fluorescent situ hybridization technology probing chromosome identification provide scientific basis counselling patients exhibit linked disorders considerable clinical application technology lies fact circumvents prenatal diagnosis addition possibility subsequent termination affected fetuses order avoid birth affected children catherine racowsky associate professor director research department obstetrics gynecology college medicine university arizona tucson arizona applications success rates advances management infertility procedures university arizona center reproductive endocrinology infertility vitro fertilization embryo transfer core procedure assisted reproduction program procedure involves retrieval unfertilized eggs ovary insemination vitro dish culture resultant embryos days transferred patient uterus cultures maintained incubator strictly controlled atmospheric temperature conditions processed insemination semen samples evaluated andrology laboratory subjective light microscopy computer hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april assisted semen analyses ensure adequate number eggs perform gift follicular development typically stimulated gonadotropins perganol metrodin gonadotropin releasing hormone gnrh factrel lutrepulse gnrh analogues lupron depo lupron synarel occasionally accomplished eggs obtained stimulated cycles programs utilize laparoscopic retrieval operating room patient general anesthesia undertake costly approach ultrasound guided retrieval infertility unit patient sedated couples resort exhibit pathologies tubal deficiencies ovulatory dysfunction endometriosis mild forms male factor infertility united states registry success rate nationwide stabilized percent cycle results program involving patients undergone cycles reflect comparable success rate incidence success procedure disconcertingly emphasizes address physiological factors limit achievement higher percentage pregnancies recognized predictors outcome include patient response exogenous ovarian stimulation quality sperm number repeated cycle attempts single significant determinant conception critical patients referred assisted reproduction program earliest opportunity failure traditional therapies underlying basis negative effect fertility delineated recognition number eggs retrieval declines markedly fertilization rates significantly decrease eggs retrieved patients years provided hormonal background present unrelated uterine competency sustain pregnancy ongoing research center investigating physiological impacted determined percent eggs fail fertilize vitro chromosomally abnormal significant proportion abnormalities accountable patient recourse patients eggs obtained donor program initiated recruitment volunteer donors satisfy list recipients interested form therapy gift high tech procedure performed operating room laparoscope contrast involves introducing sperm freshly retrieved eggs lumen fallopian tube average eggs tube circumstances fertilization occurs vivo excess eggs retrieved remainder undergo subsequent options embryo transfer cycle freezing transfer subsequent cycle procedure applied cases hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april patent fallopian tube couple pathologies ovulatory dysfunction endometriosis male factor infertility idiopathic infertility data reported united states registry success rate gift higher obtained technique range clinical pregnancies gift percent percent view fact expect patients treated gift program account basic concerns substantially reducing number gift cycles performed benefit patient concerns increased costs performing procedure operating room risks albeit minimal undergoing general anesthesia considerable benefits accrued obtaining direct information quality fertilizability eggs developmental competency resultant embryos increased success gift undoubtedly reflects artificial environment provided laboratory procedure january december performed total gift cycles success rate percent embryo cryopreservation freezing applied program embryos result residual gift eggs transferred embryos procedure patients subsequent opportunity success reduced costs circumvents legal ethical issues relating disposal supernumerary embryos stipulated american fertility society ethical guidelines programs practical ethical standpoint assisted reproduction programs capability cryopreserving human embrys gamete micromanipulation procedure applied couples unaccepting insemination donor semen severe male factor infertility million sperm combination fewer perccent motile sperm percent sperm normal morphology developing procedure zonal insertion entails injecting sperm coating barrier penetrated sperm enzymatic digestion data programs world wide percent cycles result pregnancy statistic undoubtedly relates limitations imposed abnormalities inherent sperm focusing development improved techniques recognition selection sperm chosen manipulation efforts unquestionably worthwhile view fact technology offers realistic opportunity severe male factor patients establish conception catherine racowsky hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april associate professor director research department obstetrics gynecology college medicine part internet david bitnet fidonet amateur packet 
hicn medical news part reply david david dodell distribution world organization stat gateway service lines limits efficacy suggest drug sequentially drugs kind aids treatment cocktail combining number drugs fight virus treating people happen real world anymore mark jacobson university california francisco recent findings indicating replicates rapidly lymph nodes infection physicians begin pushing harder early treatment infected patients infectious disease push american medical news center disease control launch worldwide network track spread infectious diseases detect drug resistant strains time prevent spread network expected cost million million essential part clinton administration health reform plan experts plan require enhance surveillance disease united states establish facilities world track disease april plans begin aids drug trials earlier stage nature macilwain colin hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april national institutes health announced start treating positive patients seroconversion resulting recent findings show active body large numbers earlier previously believed anthony fauci director national institute allergy infectious diseases niaid address question treat people early possibly drugs safe give people years microbial resistance delay signify questions safety resistance lack funds fauci authored papers published week nature rejects argument authors cecil discovery billion spent vaccine trials waste time money trials started long patients infected ended quickly john medical college virginia richmond claims evidence strongly backs argument early treatment infected patients aids activists welcomed information scientific community slow understand significance infection lymph tissue years glad public domain jesse dobson california based project inform peter duesberg believes aids independent result drug abuse west paradoxes explanation aids papers april risk aids virus doctors found minimal washington post risk transmitted infected health care professionals patients minimal research published today journal american medical association jama finding supports previous conclusions health experts chance contracting health care worker remote studies jama demonstrate thousands patients treated positive surgeons dentists infected virus studies conducted separate research teams hampshire maryland florida study started positive doctor dentist tested patients participate hampshire study found patients undergone invasive procedures positive orthopedic surgeon contracted maryland patients operated breast surgery specialist johns hopkins hospital found negative similarly florida dental hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april patients treated positive general dentist tested found negative florida researchers gordon dickinson university miami school medicine study risk transmission general dentist patients minimal setting universal precautions strictly observed related story philadelphia inquirer alternative medicine advocates divided research program aids treatment news gilden dave office alternative medicine national institutes health raised questions commitment effort unorthodox holistic therapeutic methods small division budget million dollars compared billion addition money research grants smaller total year grants kaiya montaocean center natural traditional medicine washington afraid involved aids successful easy answer aids common perception focus fields establishment find threatening relaxation techniques acupuncture called advisory committee conference people year aids community largely missing meeting addition activists general lack contact office added suspicion epidemic greenberg york advisory panel composed practitioners real research experience years accept nature research leanna standish research director aids investigator bastyr college naturopathic medicine seattle wonderful opportunity fund aids research fair give office time public insist public relations herpesvirus decimates immune cell soldiers science news fackelmann kathy scientists conducting test tube experiments found herpesvirus attack human immune system natural killer cells attack killer cells malfunction diminishing important component immune system fight diseases herpesvirus factor immune diseases aids paolo lusso research found herpesvirus attacks white cell lymphocyte primary target lusso found herpesvirus hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april kill natural killer cells scientists previously knew natural killer cells patients infected work correctly lusso research represents time scientists natural killer cells vulnerable kind viral attack anthony komaroff researcher harvard medical school test tube findings scientists uncertain result occurs body lusso team found herpesvirus produces receptor molecule access lymphocytes express surface receptor making vulnerable attack researchers concluded herpesvirus cells exacerbate affects april aids priorities global village editor journal american medical association gellert george nordenberg dale health care workers obligated responsible ensuring politicians understand dimensions health problems committed related policies write george gellert dale nordenberg orange county health care agency santa calif emory university school public health atlanta berkley editorial american doctors care aids epidemic united states details reasons concerted interest countries share combating aids noted aids leads hastening global health interdependence illness diseases malaria respiratory intestinal pathogens similarly inhibited economic development humanity acted marginalize large populations berkley mentions enormous social economic impact aids developing countries increased international assistance result berkley cites lack political aggressiveness aids epidemic decade administration promise substantial differences approach international health development general aids vice president gore proposes book earth balance major environmental initiative includes sustainable international development programs promote literacy improve child survival disseminate contraceptive technology access developing world enacted change policy drastically change future worldwide health aids priorities global village reply journal american hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april medical association berkley seth nation tackle early aggressively disease reaches endemic state cost diverting attention illnesses writes seth berkley rockefeller foundation york reply letter gellert nordenberg true diseases aids malaria respiratory intestinal illnesses similarly inhibited economic development developing countries deserve attention berkley disagrees contention aids receiving attention differs diseases developing countries continuing spread endemic diseases outcome neglecting interventions year year level needless disease death aids increasing spread cost neglect disease burden financially greater interventions early part rampantly spreading epidemic highly cost effective individual infection prevented significantly interrupts transmission berkley agrees gellert nordenberg gigantic social economic effects aids political leadership concludes assertive political leadership needed united states aids epidemic developing countries high rates infection complacency epidemic rule hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april aids articles vaccine trial begins infected children department health human services march vaccine therapy trial begins infected children national institutes health opened trial experimental vaccines children infected human immunodeficiency virus virus aids trial compare safety experimental vaccines children recruited sites nationwide volunteers infected symptoms disease secretary donna shalala initial study hopeful milestone efforts ameliorate tragedy infected children face certainty develop aids anthony fauci director national institute allergy infectious diseases office aids research trial step finding vaccines prevent delay disease progression children sick vaccines prove safe sophisticated questions therapeutic potential assessed phase trials centers disease control prevention estimates children united states decade world health organization projects million children infected worldwide study enroll children ages month years niaid funds aids clinical trials group network anticipates conducting trial actg sites country sites participating actg funded national institute child health human development preliminary evidence similar studies infected adults shows vaccines boost existing specific immune responses hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april stimulate years researchers responses affect clinical disease results pediatric trial actg examined closely reasons trial provide insight immature immune system responds candidate vaccines daniel hoth director niaid division aids information design trials test experimental vaccines prevent infection children united states infected children live poor city areas percent minorities black hispanic infected children acquire virus mothers pregnancy birth infected mother united states chance transmitting virus baby growing numbers women childbearing exposed injection drug infected sexual partners researchers expect increase numbers infected children disease progresses rapidly infants children adults recent information suggests percent infants born develop aids related infection years infections include severe frequent bouts common bacterial illnesses childhood result seizures pneumonia diarrhea symptoms leading nutritional problems long hospital stays half children trial years younger enable comparison immune responses younger older participants volunteers documented infection symptoms disease swollen lymph glands mildly swollen liver spleen received anti retroviral immune regulating drugs month prior entry study study chair john lambert university rochester medical school chair samuel katz duke university school medicine coordinate trial assisted james mcnamara medical officer pediatric medicine branch niaid division aids compare safety vaccines closely monitoring children side effects vaccine produces swollen arms fevers mcnamara high doses vaccines stimulate immune responses significant laboratory clinical effects emphasized small study size precludes comparing responses effects hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april products trial test doses experimental vaccines made recombinant proteins called subunit vaccines genetically engineered piece virus proved tolerated ongoing trials infected adults vaccine made microgenesys meriden conn protein rise surface proteins alum adjuvant adjuvants boost specific immune responses vaccine presently alum adjuvant human vaccines licensed food drug administration vaccines made genentech south francisco biocine joint venture chiron ciba geigy emeryville calif major surface protein adjuvant genentech vaccine alum biocine vaccine experimental adjuvant proved safe effective phase vaccine trials adults dose product tested placebo children twelve children assigned random immunized experimental vaccine children adjuvant considered placebo health care workers children told receive dose tolerated controlled testing higher dose experimental vaccine adjuvant placebo group children begin child receive immunizations weeks months weeks immunization information trial sites eligibility enrollment call aids clinical trials information service trials weekdays service spanish speaking information specialists information niaid pediatric aids research office communications agencies public health service press inquiries call laurie doepel hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april evidence disease independently news national institute dental research evidence human immunodeficiency virus disease independently ability suppress immune system scientists national institues health report opportunistic infection caused scaling skin conditions develop mice carrying genes genes active mice compromise animals immunity researchers found conclude caused skin disease findings support growing body evidence disease affecting immune system lead author jeffrey kopp national institute dental research nidr kopp colleagues study march issue aids research human retroviruses developing animal models infection difficult animals including mice infected virus bypass problem scientists developed transgenic mice carry genes genetic material nidr scientists created transgenic mice injecting genes mouse eggs implanting eggs female mice resulting litters contained normal transgenic animals institute scientists created mice carried complete copy genetic material mice sick died birth study depth present study scientists incomplete copy allowed animals live longer transgenic animals developed scaling wart tumors necks backs transgenic mice developed thickened crusting skin lesions covered bodies resembling psoriasis humans skin lesions developed normal transgenic littermates studies tissue wart skin tumors showed type noncancerous tumor called papilloma papillomavirus skin lesions laboratory tests showed sign virus animals tissue samples sick mice study revealed presence protein producing molecule made genetic material hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april evidence protein production proved viral genes turned active kopp scientists found evidence compromised immunity mice increase white blood cell count signs common infections fact genes active animals immune systems suppressed confirms virus causing skin lesions kopp proof gene involvement test scientists exposed transgenic animals ultraviolet light light increased genetic activity causing papillomas develop healthy skin papilloma formation response increased genetic activity proved genes responsible skin condition scientists lesions appeared normal mice exposed light transgenic mice study developed nidr peter dickie national institute allergy infectious diseases collaborating study kopp charles wohlenberg nickolas dorfman joseph bryant abner notkins paul klotman nidr stephen katz national cancer institute james rooney nidr burroughs wellcome hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april clinical consultation telephone service aids department health human services march secretary donna shalala today announced nationwide clinical consultation telephone service doctors health care professionals questions providing care people infection aids toll free national telephone consulting service staffed physician nurse practitioner pharmacist information drugs clinical trials latest treatment methods service funded health resources services administration operates francisco general hospital secretary shalala goal project share expertise patients care goal primary health care providers involved care people aids reduces treatment cost allowing patients remain medical providers community social support networks providers refer patients aids specialists providers experience secretary shalala clinical expertise helpful physicians providers treat people aids communities clinical sites expertise readily telephone number health care professionals accessible monday friday times consultants answer questions immediately hour times physicians health care providers leave electronic message questions answered quickly health care professionals call service question related providing care including latest aids drug treatment information clinical trials information subspecialty case referral literature searches information service designed health care professionals patients families alternate sources information materials health care professional calls service call clinical pharmacist primary care physician family nurse practitioner staff members extensive experience outpatient inpatient primary care people related diseases consultant asks patient specific information including cell count current medications patient 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hismanal side effects organization wright state university lines article dyer steve dyer writes article kjiv writes medications linked rapid excessive weight gain distorted sense taste smell hismanal azmacort topical steroid prevent asthma vancenase hismanal astemizole linked weight gain peculiar antihistamines effect antihistamine astemizole purportedly cross blood brain barrier drowsiness gave lots problems joint muscle pain trigger arthritis problems steve dyer dyer major spdcc harvard rayssd linus spdcc dyer 
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control prevention mmwr emerging infectious diseases source mmwr date introduction predictions earlier century infectious diseases eliminated public health problem infectious diseases remain major death worldwide leading illness death united states early public health system challenged myriad newly identified pathogens syndromes escherichia coli hepatitis virus human immunodeficiency virus legionnaires disease lyme disease toxic shock syndrome incidences diseases widely presumed control cholera malaria tuberculosis increased areas control prevention infectious diseases undermined drug resistance conditions gonorrhea malaria pneumococcal disease salmonellosis shigellosis staphylococcal infections emerging infections place disproportionate burden immunocompromised persons institutional settings hospitals child care centers minority underserved populations substantial economic burden emerging infections health care system reduced effective surveillance systems targeted control prevention programs issue mmwr introduces series emerging infectious diseases future articles address diseases surveillance control prevention efforts health care providers public health officials article updates ongoing investigation outbreak coli western united states references burnet natural history infectious disease cambridge england cambridge university press kunin resistance antimicrobial drugs worldwide calamity intern lederberg shope oaks emerging infections microbial threats health united states washington national academy press hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april preliminary report foodborne outbreak escherichia coli infections hamburgers western united states mmwr hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april update multistate outbreak escherichia coli infections hamburgers western united states source mmwr date november february laboratory confirmed infections coli deaths occurred states washington idaho california nevada report summarizes findings ongoing investigation identified multistate outbreak resulting consumption hamburgers restaurant chain washington january physician reported washington department health cluster children hemolytic uremic syndrome increase emergency room visits bloody diarrhea january case control study comparing cases bloody diarrhea postdiarrheal identified neighborhood matched controls implicated eating chain restaurants week symptom onset matched odds ratio undefined lower confidence limit january multistate recall unused hamburger patties chain restaurants initiated result publicity case finding efforts january february patients bloody diarrhea reported state health department total persons illnesses meeting case definition culture confirmed coli infection postdiarrheal figure persons close contact person confirmed coli infection week preceding onset symptoms remaining persons reported eating chain restaurant days preceding onset symptoms patients recalled chain restaurant reported eating regular sized hamburger patty onsets illness peaked january january casepatients hospitalized developed died median patients years range years idaho outbreak report washington division health idaho department health welfare identified persons culture confirmed coli infection illness onset dates december february figure persons hospitalized developed week preceding illness onset eaten chain restaurant california late december diego county department health services notified child coli infection subsequently died active surveillance record review identified persons coli infections november january reportedly recently eaten chain restaurant hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april chain restaurant diego washington outbreak reported reviews medical records hospitals revealed increase visits admissions diarrhea december january compared period year earlier case defined postdiarrheal bloody diarrhea culture negative cultured diarrheal illness stool culture yielded coli onset november january illnesses patients case definition figure outbreak strain identified stool specimens patients fourteen persons hospitalized developed child died median case patients years range years case control study case patients identified matched community controls implicated eating chain restaurant diego matched confidence interval study comparing case patients chain restaurants meal companions implicated regular sized hamburger patties matched undefined lower confidence limit chain statistically illness nevada january receiving report child eaten local chain restaurant clark county vegas health district issued press release requesting persons recent bloody diarrhea contact health department case defined postdiarrheal bloody diarrhea culture negative cultured diarrheal illness stool culture yielding washington strain coli onset december february local laboratories sorbitol macconkey smac medium screen stools coli organism identified patient smac medium distributed outbreak strain detected stool patient days illness onset persons illnesses case definition figure hospitalized developed median years range years analysis patients identified matched community controls implicated eating chain restaurant week preceding illness onset matched undefined lower confidence limit case control study meal companions case patients implicated eating hamburgers chain matched investigation findings outbreak chain restaurants washington linked cases primarily serving regular sized hamburger patties produced november meat jumbo patties produced november outbreak strain coli isolated lots patties produced dates lots distributed restaurants states illness occurred approximately implicated patties recovered recall meat traceback team identified slaughter plants united states canada sources carcasses hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april contaminated lots meat identified potential control points reducing likelihood contamination animals slaughtered domestic slaughter plants traced farms auctions western states slaughter plant farm identified source investigation cases related secondary transmission families child care settings ongoing reported davis osaki msph seattle king county dept public health gordon hinds snohomish health district everett mottram winegar tacoma pierce county health dept avner tarr dept pediatrics jardine depts anesthesiology pediatrics univ washington school medicine children hospital medical center seattle goldoft bartleson lewis kobayashi state epidemiologist washington dept health billman bradley children hospital diego hunt tanner ginsberg diego county dept health svcs barrett werner rutherford state epidemiologist california dept health svcs central district health dept boise root southwest district health dept caldwell brothers chehey hudson health idaho state public health laboratory dixon state epidemiologist health idaho dept health welfare maxson environmental epidemiology program empey ravenholt ueckart clark county health district vegas disalvo nevada state public health laboratory kwalick salcido brus state epidemiologist health nevada state dept human resources center food safety applied nutrition food drug administration food safety inspection animal plant health inspection dept agriculture field epidemiology epidemiology program office enteric diseases bacterial mycotic diseases national center infectious diseases editorial note coli pathogenic gram negative bacterium identified illness outbreak severe bloody diarrhea traced contaminated hamburgers pathogen emerged important bloody diarrhea common acute renal failure children outbreak investigations linked cases consumption undercooked ground beef food vehicles including roast beef milk apple cider implicated preliminary data year nationwide multicenter study revealed stools routinely cultured coli organism isolated frequently shigella participating hospitals isolated bloody stools higher rate pathogen infection coli recognized clinical laboratories routinely culture stools organism hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april smac medium clinicians unaware spectrum illnesses infection usual clinical manifestations diarrhea bloody abdominal cramps fever infrequent younger groups elderly highest risk clinical manifestations complications illness resolves days patients develop characterized hemolytic anemia thrombocytopenia renal failure death rate report illustrates difficulties recognizing community outbreaks coli absence routine surveillance magnitude outbreak problem recognized states epidemiologic link established washington clinical laboratories routinely culture stool specimens persons bloody diarrhea coli smac agar infections coli identified reported local health departments evaluation public health action prevent cases coli lives intestines healthy cattle contaminate meat slaughter collaborating department agriculture food safety inspection service identify critical control points processing component program reduce likelihood pathogens coli entering meat supply slaughtering practices result contamination meat pathogens process grinding beef transfer pathogens surface meat interior ground beef internally contaminated optimal food protection practice cook ground beef interior longer pink juices clear outbreak undercooking hamburger patties played important role food drug administration issued interim recommendations increase internal temperature cooked hamburgers personal communication regulatory actions stimulated outbreak report recovery thousands contaminated patties consumed emphasize rapid public health investigations outbreaks public health impact increasing frequency isolation pathogen underscore improved surveillance infections caused coli define epidemiology coli references preliminary report foodborne outbreak escherichia coli infections hamburgers western united states mmwr riley remis helgerson hemorrhagic colitis rare escherichia coli serotype engl hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april griffin tauxe epidemiology infections caused escherichia coli enterohemorrhagic coli hemolytic uremic syndrome epidemiol griffin ostroff tauxe illnesses escherichia coli infections broad clinical spectrum intern march ratnam latex agglutination test hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april smokeless tobacco adults united states source mmwr date consumption moist snuff smokeless tobacco products united states tripled long term smokeless tobacco nicotine addiction increased risk oral cancer incidence increase young persons smokeless tobacco continue products frequently monitor trends prevalence smokeless tobacco products national health interview survey health promotion disease prevention supplement nhis hpdp collected information snuff chewing tobacco smoking representative sample civilian noninstitutionalized population aged greater equal years report summarizes findings survey nhis hpdp supplement asked snuff times entire life snuff similar questions asked chewing tobacco cigarette smoking current users smokeless tobacco defined reported snuff chewing tobacco times reported snuff chewing tobacco time interview users defined reported snuff chewing tobacco times time interview users smokeless tobacco included current users current smokers defined reported smoking cigarettes smoking smokers reported smoked cigarettes smoking smokers included current smokers data smokeless tobacco persons aged greater equal years adjusted nonresponse weighted provide national estimates confidence intervals calculated standard errors generated software survey data analysis sudaan estimated million adults current users smokeless tobacco including million women categories comparison prevalence smokeless tobacco substantially higher prevalence highest aged years table women prevalence highest aged greater equal years prevalence smokeless tobacco highest american indians alaskan natives whites prevalence women highest american indians alaskan natives blacks women prevalence smokeless tobacco declined increasing education prevalence substantially higher residents southern united states rural areas prevalence smokeless tobacco higher hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april women poverty level difference significant women table prevalence current snuff highest aged years varied considerably prevalence chewing tobacco evenly distributed group table women rarely smokeless tobacco prevalence snuff highest aged greater equal years estimated million adults reported smokeless tobacco users users proportion smokeless tobacco users persons aged years proportion users lower snuff users chewing tobacco users persons aged years proportion users similar snuff chewing tobacco current users smokeless tobacco smoked smoked smoked comparison current smokers current users smokeless tobacco daily smokeless tobacco common snuff users chewing tobacco users reported office smoking health national center chronic disease prevention health promotion health interview statistics national center health statistics editorial note findings report smokeless tobacco highest young males adolescent young adult males target marketing strategies tobacco companies link smokeless tobacco athletic performance virility oral snuff risen markedly professional baseball players encouraging behavior adolescent young adult males increasing risk nicotine addiction oral cancer mouth disorders differences prevalence smokeless tobacco racial ethnic groups influenced differences educational levels socioeconomic status social cultural phenomena require explanation targeted marketing practices play role maintaining increasing prevalence groups affecting differential initiation smokeless tobacco young persons report concern fourth current smokeless tobacco users smoke cigarettes nhis hpdp prevalence cigarette smoking higher smokeless tobacco users current smokeless tobacco users previous study college students current smokeless tobacco users smoked hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april occasionally addition approximately adults smoked reported substituting tobacco products cigarettes effort stop smoking health care providers recognize potential health implications concurrent smokeless tobacco cigarette national health objectives year established special population target groups reduction prevalence smokeless tobacco including males aged years year objective american indian alaskan native youth year objective strategies lower prevalence smokeless tobacco include continued monitoring smokeless tobacco integrating smoking smokeless tobacco control efforts enforcing laws restrict minors access tobacco making excise taxes commensurate cigarettes encouraging health care providers routinely provide cessation advice follow providing school based prevention cessation interventions adopting policies prohibit tobacco school property school sponsored events references office evaluations inspections spit tobacco youth washington department health human services office inspector general dhhs publication national institutes health health consequences smokeless tobacco report advisory committee surgeon general bethesda maryland department health human services public health service dhhs publication shah software survey data analysis sudaan version software documentation research triangle park north carolina research triangle institute connolly orleans blum snuffing tobacco sport public health national cancer institute smokeless tobacco health international perspective bethesda maryland department health human services public health service national institutes health dhhs publication foreyt jackson squires hartung murray gotto psychological profile college students smokeless tobacco addict behav glover laflin edwards initiation switching patterns hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april smokeless tobacco cigarettes college students united states public health tobacco methods tabulations adult tobacco survey 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hicn medical news part reply david david dodell distribution world organization stat gateway service lines university arizona tucson arizona suggested reading royston campbell jacobs betts mason edwards cumulative conception livebirth rates vitro fertilization lancet information call physicians resource line tucson hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april articles levels airborne particles linked asthma attacks american lung association study published american lung association shown surprisingly concentrations airborne particles send people asthma rushing emergency rooms treatment seattle based study showed roughly emergency visits asthma city linked exposure particulate pollution actual exposure levels recorded study deemed unsafe federal quality laws people asthma inflamed airways airborne particles tend exacerbate inflammation joel schwartz environmental protection agency lead author study people threshold asthma attack particles push edge seattle study correlated months asthma emergency room visits daily levels particulate matter aerodynamic diameter microns finer particles considered hazardous small penetrate lung cities considered compliance clean laws hour average concentration exceeds micrograms cubic millimeter seattle link fine particles asthma found levels micrograms authors concluded microgram increase average odds asthma needing emergency treatment increased percent findings published april american review respiratory disease official journal american thoracic society lung association medical section study latest series recent reports suggest particulate matter greatly appreciated health threat study schwartz douglas dockery harvard found particles causing roughly premature deaths year united states studies linked particulate matter increased respiratory symptoms bronchitis children government officials media focused ozone schwartz research showing particles actors problem setting standards particulate pollution pmio difficult study unlike regulated pollutants ozone carbon monoxide particulate matter complex varying mixture substances including carbon hydrocarbons dust hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april acid aerosols researchers people exposure chambers study effects particulate pollution schwartz duplicating typical urban particles particulates learned population based research seattle study current priority review ozone sulfur dioxide standards agency reexamine standard time made appears people asthma protect airborne particles areas reports quality reports cover pollutant closest violating standard rarely particulate matter schwartz violation range unhealthy hicnet medical newsletter page volume number april consensus development conference melanoma national institutes health consensus development conference diagnosis treatment early melanoma brought experts dermatology pathology epidemiology public education surveillance techniques potential technologies health care professionals public address clinical histological characteristics early melanoma diagnosis management followup patients early melanoma role dysplastic nevi significance role education screening preventing melanoma morbidity mortality days presentations experts discussion audience consensus panel weighed scientific evidence prepared consensus statement findings panel recommended melanoma situ distinct entity effectively treated surgically centimeter margins thin invasive melanoma millimeter thick potential long term survival percent patients surgical excision centimeter margin elective lymph node dissections extensive staging evaluations recommended early melanoma patients early melanoma risk relapse high risk development subsequent melanomas closely family members patients melanoma increased risk melanoma enrolled surveillance programs education screening programs potential decrease morbidity mortality melanoma copy full text consensus panel statement calling office medical applications research writing office 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thrush good grief candida albicans organization memorial university newfoundland lines dyer steve dyer writes article mccurdy sdsu mccurdy writes dyer rude drink yeah yeah yeah threaten lips snort people blinded knowledge unopen established medical community surprised outlook nice steve high almighty intellectual prowess tact record outbreaks thrush past years indication immunosuppression nutritional deficiencies antobiotics listen thrush recognized clinical syndrome definite characteristics thrush thrush lesions culture treat generally responds immunocompromised noring anal retentive idee fixe fungal infection sinuses category walking neurasthenics convinced candida reading quack book yawn dentist sees fair amount thrush recommended acidophilous began taking acidophilous daily basis outbreaks ceased quit taking acidophilous outbreaks periodically resumed resumed taking acidophilous outbreaks question steve point person steve dyer nice things change steve ignorant group alternative positive thing longer bothering folks alternative shame people suffer breath freely wasting bandwidth folks forget offer born almight omniscient omnipotent steve 
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sensitivity superstition nntp posting host cortex physiol organization department physiology university sydney australia lines marco lonestar steve giammarco writes fuel flame read years natural extracted sources mention reported aftereffects nasty artificial extracted coal chinese restaurant syndrome find pretty hard heard mono sodium glutamate fairly straight forward compound pure source problem comment suggests impurities experience effects part double blind study pure stuff caused severe effects possibly incorrect assumption foods made processing sugar beets true sources soya bean fermented cheeses mushrooms folx react strongly react strongly sodium chloride table salt excess symptoms common rapid heartbeat uncomfortable feeling pressure chest upper left quadrant symptoms numbness muscles instance arms legs headache lethargy unable awake affect people differently 
neurofibromatosis organization university massachusetts amherst lines nntp posting host titan umass writing grant proposal developmental genetics class chose neurofibromatosis gene variable expressivity curious subject relationship specific mutations resulting phenotype literature search produce references make proposing research aything recently peopl research search medline apprciate informed lisa megna lmegna umass 
sensitivity superstition organization western michigan university lines article annick physiol annick ansselin writes marco lonestar steve giammarco writes fuel flame read years natural extracted sources mention reported aftereffects nasty artificial extracted coal chinese restaurant syndrome find pretty hard heard mono sodium glutamate fairly straight forward compound pure source problem comment suggests impurities experience effects part double blind study pure stuff caused severe effects possibly incorrect assumption foods made processing sugar beets true sources soya bean fermented cheeses mushrooms folx react strongly react strongly sodium chloride table salt excess symptoms common rapid heartbeat uncomfortable feeling pressure chest upper left quadrant symptoms numbness muscles instance arms legs headache lethargy unable awake affect people differently made kind plant call tapioca staff mentiond 
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rythmia lines organization stevens institute technology topic electrical heart failure friends doctor chest pains arythmia york hospital money treated doctors medication caused cancer taking suggested excersize skinny arythmia treated 
acutane fibromyalgia syndrome organization university wisconsin claire lines reply daniel prince calcom socal daniel prince person fido echo claims cured taking accutane claims treatment fibromyalgia syndrome accutane treatment fibromyalgia syndrome work equally hint facets underlying process good results benefit evident days starting patients worked continued dose amitriptyline daily aerobic excersise regular sleep schedule current standard therapy cost depending dose potential significant side effects corneal injury birth defects reserve fail conventional treatment important person prescribing experience follow patient closely aware double blind studies accutane conditions advance replies person duff finish writing case reports academic physician feel pressure publish perish time work things david nyeda uwec midelfort clinic claire patently absurd wishes philosopher learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell 
good grief candida albicans organization university wisconsin claire lines reply aldridge jacquelin aldridge medicine totally scientific endevour acquisition scientific knowledge completely scientific application knowledge individual cases science diseases root diseases read book gastroenterology scientific methods patient freedom choice experimental method choose recognized doctors medicine answers answers question reliable means acquiring medical knowledge scientific method proven reliable reason alternative therapies shunned physicians practitioners refuse submit theories rigorous scientific scrutiny insisting tradition anecdotal evidence sufficient shown times past unreliable ways acquiring reliable knowledge crook ideas backed scientific evidence unwillingness good science makes rest doubt veracity contentions david nyeda uwec midelfort clinic claire patently absurd wishes philosopher learn frightened absurdities bertrand russell 
burzynski antineoplastons organization lines article jschwimmer wesleyan josh schwimmer writes recently listened tape stanislaw burzynski claims discovered series naturally occuring peptides anti cancer properties names antineoplastons burzynski work hostility united states favorable responses subjects clinical trials generally accepted opinion burzynski research paints lone researcher breakthrough battling intolerant medical establishment basis judge claims weeks read department alternative medicine decided focus attention burzynski work budget small imagine investigate treatment promising opinions burzynski antineoplastons information current status research appreciated joshua schwimmer jschwimmer wesleyan extensive discussion compuserve cancer forum burzynski treatment result decision forum member father undertake treatment brain glioblastoma disease universally rapidly fatal diagnosis june tumor growing rapidly radiation chemotherapy forum member checked extensively burzynki track record disease spoke patients complete remission years glioblastoma treatment oncologist audited case histories found valid impressive forum member father began burzynski treatment september subsequent scans performed auspices oncologist chicago shown tumor growth signs shrinkage necrosis patient oncologist telling live past december vehemently opposed burzynski treatment tumor stopped rapid growth burzynski treatment changed attitude continuing treatments broke burzynski research background found protein serum levels cancer patients synthesized administers patients cancer types understanding actual mechanism activity david scheim bitnet internet desl phone compuserve disclaimer comments offered share knowledge based personal views represent positions employer 
cytoskeleton dynamics organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex summary fast dynamics cytoskeleton transformed cells keywords cytoskeleton microtubule tubulin good background review paper references understand dynamics cytoskeleton normal transformed cells interested translational behavior cell motility internal motions cytoskeleton components normal transformed circumstances data force constants mechanical elastic properties microtubules viscous properties cytoplasm info relevant vibrational acoustical properties bill christens barry cerulean digex 
selective placebo gated usenet rosemail gateway organization rose media toronto ontario lines levin joel levin writes john badanes wrote proper channels glad caught purpose forum educate eager learn facts life phrase bridle frenzy respondents feel left proper authorities consulted topic short means absolutely description content roth posts date entertainment diminishing easy back soak patients brag colleagues incredibly success rate sudden rosereader real sponge cake borrow ingredients rosemail usenet rose media hamilton 
hismanal side effects organization george washington university lines article dyer steve dyer writes article kjiv writes medications linked rapid excessive weight gain distorted sense taste smell hismanal azmacort topical steroid prevent asthma vancenase hismanal astemizole linked weight gain peculiar antihistamines effect antihistamine astemizole purportedly doesn cross blood brain barrier drowsiness antihistamines weight gain find doctor asleep wheel original poster mentioned fatigue bizarre dreams rest doctor common reaction astemizole cross blood brain barrier side effect ideas sheryl coppenger seas computing facility staff sheryl george washington university 
sensitivity superstition organization data corporation lines smjeff lerc nasa jeff miller writes properly controlled studies double blind studies useless prove affect article berkeley steve pope writes mass anectdotal evidence combined lack properly constructed scientific experiment disproving hypothesis makes reaction hypothesis explanation events good grief heard biostatistics university washington harvard department advanced degree program biostatistics wife biostat plenty phds postdocs biostatistical work people living bright people study decades sort study anecedotal evidence worthless doctors drug treatment years swear effective suprised results clinical trials describable reportable documentable symptoms pretty simple discover study wife worked employed nurses doctors dozen university hospitals nations question settled lowly biostat student thesis bruce 
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sore spot testicles nntp posting host lambada organization university north carolina extended bulletin board service distribution lines husband woke days small sore spot spot size nickel testicles bottom side knots lumps sore spot reminds bruise feels recollection hitting bruise assures remember clues hypochondriac opinions expressed necessarily university north carolina chapel hill campus office information technology experimental bulletin board service internet launchpad 
thrush good grief candida albicans organization beth israel hospital harvard medical school boston mass lines distribution world nntp posting host enterprise harvard article mccurdy sdsu mccurdy writes dentist sees fair amount thrush recommended acidophilous began taking acidophilous daily basis outbreaks ceased quit taking acidophilous outbreaks periodically resumed resumed taking acidophilous outbreaks post blurring distinction real disease caused candida albicans disease asked systemic yeast syndrome question candida albicans thrush case active yogurt cultures acidophilous reduce recurrences thrush vaginal thrush heard taking oral thrush work mechanism candida common minor pathogen common major pathogen evidence systemic yeast syndrome david rind rind harvard 
opinions allergy fever shots organization university chicago computing organizations lines interested desensitization method fever state affairs doctor paid minute interview scratches leading diagnostic allergic june timothy grass shots week months shot month shot costs talking soaring costs health care system call racket talking rare amazonian grasses garbage grows doctor office issue disappointed find shots forever information 
discussions psychoactives organization microsystems mountain view lines reply williamt william turnbow nntp posting host athena article billc bill claussen writes group originally takeoff reason formation group discuss prescription psychoactive drugs cares workable solution implies things people educate person group imply group originally intended lawyer grew stickler meaning reality psychoactives technically range caffeine datura drugs mention standard recreational drugs practice hoped limited psychoactive level drugs mention possibly including recreational drugs conversation limited psychoactive effects recent query bong water thought topic back original question workable solution workable imply topic discuss sounds smartdrugs similar feel psychoactives generally describe alot drugs difference drug doses period days psychoactive effect people drugs pihkah psychoactive choice means choice conception apply 
aids acupuncture needles reply matthews oswego harry matthews organization instructional computing center suny oswego oswego lines article romdas berkeley ella baff writes wrote expressing concern aids acupuncture needles friend sharing fluids acupuncturist aids impossible aids acupuncture needles generally accidently inoculated normal immune response effectively handle minimal contaminant involved acupuncture needle insertion normal immune response exposure acupuncturists disposable needles throw electrical pulse nerve testing back needles dirty drawer instrument cart sterile clean matter fresh previous patient concerned mouth shut raised hell comments excuses 
food related seizures organization nasa langley research center hampton lines nntp posting host larc nasa reply dozonoff message article dozonoff david ozonoff writes path news larc nasa darwin sura zaphod ohio state linac dozonoff dozonoff david ozonoff newsgroups date references sender news lines newsreader sharon paulson paulson larc nasa wrote deleted fact happened eating sugar coated cereals made kellog makes allergic reaction coating cereals family kathryn shows signs fever running nose itchy eyes allergies family history including weird food allergies nuts mushrooms cereals corn based post looked literature located articles implicated corn tryptophan seizures idea corn diet potentiate existing latent seizure disorder check kellog cereals corn based interested david ozonoff boston university school public health dozonoff itvax east concord boston couple folks suggested corn connection month period seizures daughter eaten fair amount berry berry mornings problem checked labels ingredient corn problem eating corn corn full stomach absorption high frost flakes corn check fruit loops fact eaten corny cereal morning makes checking information point valuable sharon sharon paulson paulson nasa nasa langley research center bldg mailstop work hampton virginia home 
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diagnose lyme organization lehigh university lines newsreader version gordon banks pitt wrote article lehigh marc gabriel writes culturing diagnose hard culture cases point developed feel years experience serology match call quack accuse make quick buck called quack quacks cultures tests lyme times tests accurate treat practice exclusively devoted treating lyme patients orthopedic surgeons pattern exclusively treat patients parts country specialist large number patients walk office huge problem underdiagnosis orthopedists encounter late manifestations disease regular practices told year patients week specialists orthopedists town people week means minimum people town area develop late stage manifestations year folks diagnosed neurologists rheumatologists kind problem town personally patient refers patients specialists extreme cases puts patient medication immediately minimize damage cases knees gordon correct states specialists marc marc gabriel lehigh university 
hismanal side effects organization computing services division university wisconsin milwaukee lines nntp posting host article sheryl sheryl coppenger writes dyer steve dyer writes hismanal astemizole linked weight gain peculiar antihistamines effect antihistamine astemizole purportedly doesn cross blood brain barrier drowsiness original poster mentioned fatigue bizarre dreams rest doctor common reaction astemizole doesn cross blood brain barrier side effect ideas made bitchy weeks bizarre dreams doctor made feel time taking weeks symptoms hang 
program forms conf intell molecular biology keywords computational biology artificial intelligence organization wisconsin dept lines attending aai conf summer note conference immediately preceding preliminary program registration materials international conference intelligent systems molecular biology washington july sponsored national institutes health national library medicine department energy office health environmental research biomatrix society american association artificial intelligence aai poster session tutorials bethesda ramada hotel technical sessions lister hill center auditorium national library medicine information contact ismb purpose international conference intelligent systems molecular biology inaugural meeting series intended bring scientists applying technologies artificial intelligence robotics machine learning massively parallel computing advanced data modelling related methods problems molecular biology scope extends computational robotic system supporting biological task cognitively challenging involves synthesis information multiple sources multiple levels exhibits abstraction emergent properties intelligent system facilities conference held lister hill center national library medicine rockville pike building bethesda seating conference center strictly limited registrations accepted serve basis accomodations reception poster session bethesda ramada hotel wisconsin avenue bethesda special room rate negotiated hotel expires attendees make reservations writing hotel calling mentioning ismb conference participate roommate matching service mail opitz wisc transportation facilities easy walking distance convenient subway metro line medical center stop amtrak station nearby airports include dulles national baltimore washington international proceedings full length papers talks posters published archival proceedings citation proceedings international conference intelligent systems molecular biology hunter searls shavlik aai press menlo park copies distributed conference registered attendees purchase publisher talks wednesday july continental breakfast opening remarks invited talk statistics protein cores predicted structures prof temple smith boston university break constructive induction protein structure prediction ioerger rendell surbramaniam protein secondary structure modeling probabilistic networks delcher kasif goldberg lunch protein secondary structure level case based reasoning leng buchanan nicholas automatic derivation substructures yields structural building blocks globular proteins zhang fetrow rennie waltz berg dirichlet mixture priors derive hidden markov models protein families brown hughey krogh mian sjolander haussler break protein classification neural networks ferran pflugfelder ferrara neural networks molecular sequence classification berry fung mclarty computationally efficient cluster representation molecular sequence megaclassification states harris hunter poster setup reception poster session thursday july continental breakfast invited talk large scale sequencing tale mice prof leroy hood university washington break pattern recognition automated sequencing line signal conditioning feature extraction basecalling bolden torgersen tibbetts genetic algorithms sequence assembly parsons forrest burks partial digest approach restriction site mapping skiena sundaram lunch integrating order distance relationships heterogeneous maps graves discovering sequence similarity algorithmic significance method milosavljevic identification human gene functional regions based oligonucleotide composition solovyev lawrence knowledge discovery genbank aaronson haas overton break expert system generate machine learning experiments learning crystallography data cohen kulikowski berman detection correlations trna sequences structural implications klingler brutlag probabilistic structure calculations dimensional trna structure sequence correlation data altman friday july continental breakfast invited talk artificial intelligence grand unified theory biochemistry prof harold morowitz george mason university break testing molecular biology silico physiologies sieburg baray identification localized distributed bottlenecks metabolic pathways mavrovouniotis fine grain databases pattern discovery gene regulation veretnik schatz lunch representation discovery protein motifs conklin fortier glasgow finding relevant biomolecular features hunter klein database techniques biological materials methods baclawski futrelle fridman pescitelli multi level description scheme protein conformation onizuka asai ishikawa wong break protein topology prediction parallel constraint logic programming clark rawlings shirazi veron reeve constraint reasoning system automating sequence specific resonance assignments multidimensional protein spectra zimmerman kulikowski montelione closing remarks poster session posters display bethesda ramada hotel wednesday july induction rules predicting chemical carcinogenesis rodents bahler bristol senex clos clim application molecular pathology ball flash fast algorithm string homology califano rigoutsos multi strategy parallel learning sequence analysis chan stolfo protein structure prediction selecting salient features large candidate pools cherkauer shavlik comparison approaches prediction protein folding patterns dubchak holbrook modular learning environment protein modeling gracy chiche sallantin inference order genetic systems guidi roderick palm pattern language molecular biology helgesen sibbald grammatical formalization metabolic processes hofestedt representations metabolic knowledge karp riley protein sequencing experiment planning analogy kettler darden design object oriented database reverse genetics kochut arnold miller potter small automaton word recognition sequences lefevre ikeda multimap expert system automated genetic linkage mapping matise perlin chakravarti constructing distributed object oriented system logical constraints fluorescence activated cell sorting matsushima prediction primate splice junction gene sequences cooperative knowledge acquisition system nguifo sallantin object oriented knowledge bases analysis prokaryotic eukaryotic genomes perriere dorkeld rechenmann gautier petri representations metabolic pathways reddy mavrovouniotis liebman minimizing complexity cellular automata models replication reggia chou armentrout peng building large knowledge bases molecular biology schmeltzer medigue uvietta rechenmann dorkeld perriere gautier service oriented information sources database biological sciences springer patrick hidden markov models iterative aligners study equivalence possibilities tanaka asai ishikawa konagaya protein structure prediction system based artificial neural networks vanhala kaski transmembrane segment prediction protein sequence data weiss cohen indurkhya tutorial program tutorials conducted bethesda ramada hotel tuesday july introduction molecular biology computer scientists prof mick noordewier rutgers university overview essential facts molecular biology intended introduction field computer scientists apply tools rich complex domain material covered include structural informational molecules basic organization cell genetic material central dogma gene expression selected topics area structure function regulation relates current computational approaches noordewier appointments computer science biology rutgers extensive experience basic biological research addition current work computational biology introduction artificial intelligence biologists richard lathrop arris corp overview field artificial intelligence presented relates actual potential biological applications fundamental techniques symbolic programming languages notions search discussed selected topics greater detail knowledge representation inference machine learning intended audience includes biologists computational background extensive exposure artificial intelligence lathrop developer ariadne related technologies worked area artificial intelligence applied biological problems academia industry neural networks statistics information theory biological sequence analysis alan lapedes alamos national laboratory tutorial cover rapidly expanding facet intelligent systems molecular biology machine learning techniques applied sequence analysis closely interrelated topics addressed include artifical neural networks elicit specific signals general characteristics sequences relationship approaches statistical techniques information theoretic views sequence data lapedes theoretical division alamos long leader techniques domain genetic algorithms genetic programming prof john koza stanford university genetic algorithm increasingly popular approach highly linear multi dimensional optimization problems originally inspired biological metaphor tutorial cover biological motivations actual implementation characteristics algorithm genetic programming extension suited problems discovery size shape solution major part problem addressed attention paid biological applications identifying resources software permit attendees begin methods koza consulting professor computer science stanford taught subject author standard text field linguistic methods sequence analysis prof david searls university pennsylvania shmuel pietrokovski weizmann institute approaches sequence analysis based linguistic methodologies increasingly evidence involve adaptation tools techniques computational linguistics syntactic pattern recognition gene prediction classification genetic structures phenomena formal language theory identification significant vocabularies overlapping codes sequence data sequence comparison reflecting taxonomic functional relatedness searls holds research faculty appointments genetics computer science penn represents branch field considers higher order syntactic approaches sequence data shmuel pietrokovski studied published prof edward trifinov area word based 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candida yeast bloom fact fiction lines nntp posting host ocom okstate organization college osteopathic medicine thread candida yeast progressed steve dyer exchanging words topic nutrition displayed typical reserve attacked women poster treated liscenced physician disease exist calling physician quack reprehensible steve quacks physicans idea human body interacts environment balance altered diet antibiotics physicians dismiss patients difficult symptomatology make doctor doctor find relief elaine nutrition find solves problem rest start yelling quack professional jealousy elaine quack teaching human nutrition medical students years guess receptive students raised farms hand effect diet health farm animals students made dramatic diet change prior entering medical school switched vegan diet typically class students interested nutrition tune stop coming class teaching stick enlightened physicians practicing medical schools cover nutrition candida viewed disease medical profession animal husbandry animal reinnoculated good bacteria antibiotics stopped medicine decided humans ruminant stomach reinnoculation good bacteria needed coming braod spectrum antibiotic humans kinds organisms living system mouth stomach small large intestine sinuses vagina skin nonpathogenic disease people immune system compromised called nonpathogens unlike pathogenic organisms human disease produce toxins live merry existence body organisms considered pathogenic manages residence body poor mucus membrane barrier happen vitamin responsible setting barrier steve real upset elaine doctor anti fungals vitamin problems steve understood vitamin body calling elaine doctor quack primer yeast yeast infections commonly called truely caused yeasts common organism responsible type infection candida albicans monilia yeast fungus infection caused organism called candidiasis candidiasis rare occurance coli infection requires host immune system severly depressed candida frequently found skin mucous membranes normal healthy people rarely problem predisposing factor present high blood glucose level diabetes oral antibiotics diabetics secretions higher amounts glucose candida unlike bacteria limited food fuel selection glucose grow barely survives access glucose blooms rides organisms living sinuses tract vagina diabetics skin lesions foster good bloom site buggers bloom minor irritant people people develop inflammatory process mucus membrane skin bloom site allergic reaction candida bloom vagina skin easliy doctors treat internal symptoms symptoms pretty nondiscript candida check people normal bacterial flora sinuses tract mouth stomach intestines vaginal tract compete food human immune system ususally bother nonpathogenic organisms broach mucus membrane barrier inflammatory response americans vitamin diets american vitamin born autopsy studies level vitamin pathology blindness impair mucus membrane barrier system predisposing factor strong inflammatory response candida bloom diabetics suffer candida bloom common type bloom broad spectrum antibiotics knock kinds bacteria body remove main competition candida food concerned drugs handle candida patients find doctor evidence systemic infection toxicity anti fungal drugs warrant caution sinus inflammation suspected candida recent broad spectrum antibiotic smoking anti fungal approrpriate anti fungal creams treatment recurring vaginal yeast infections spite steve dyer patients anti fungals irritation caused excessive candida bloom sinus tract vagina return drug treatment discontinued underlying problem addressed lack good bacterial flora body poor mucus membrane barrier lactobacillus acidophilus effective therapy candida overgrowth acid loving organism sets acidic condition grows candida grow acidic environment vagina acidophilius predominate bacteria broad spectrum antibiotics system rectal region good reservoir candida pantyhose women creates favorable environment rectum transfer moisture humidity candida vaginal tract effctive ways minimmize transfer wear undyed cotton underwear bloom occurs anal area burning swelling pain blood discharge make patients hemorroids bloom manages move tract diffuse symptomatology occurs abdominal discomfort blood stool positive stool occult blood elaine family doctor place extensive testing told wrong hurt doctor richard kaplan told throiugh mail considers occult blood tests stool specimens waste time money large number false positives candida blooms hurt constant basis fixed nice colon cancer causing distress finally find doctor treats steve dyer calls quack candida prefers slightly alkaline environment bacteria tend prefer slightly acidic environment vagina alkaline woman period candida blooms vagina vinegar water douches dealing vaginal problems women relief introduction lactobacillus directly vaginal tract purity product wife vagina problem birth control pills searched year found gynocologist solved problem writting scripts anti fungal creams woman gynocologist problem recurring vaginal yeast infections digging acetic acid acidophilis douche office sterile treatments returned marraige wondered chronic distress sinus problems problem tells patients existent syndrome nonpathogenic bacteria acidophilus acid producing bacteria common bacteria found vaginal tract healthy women orally major bacteria aresol sprays innoculate sinus membranes innoculation occurs mucus membrane barrier system strengthened accomplished vitamin vitamin complex vitamins diet surveys repeatedly show americans folate segement population greatest problem existent disorder candida blooms antibiotic therapy material obtained natural healing mark bricklin published rodale press notes human nutrition posting discussion vitamin future reference citings point extremely important role vitamin plays mucus membrane defense system body vitamin effective dealing candida blooms effective dietary treatment restrict carbohydrate intake treatment phase important system involved candida glucose grow bacteria give bacteria amino acids fatty acids energy chance candida check carbohydrate returned steve sayers jump post fine jumped steve nutrition verbably accosted poster seeking advice doctor vitamin anti fungals candida bloom people seeking advice newsnet treated giving time knowledge slug heart content saved venom steve left helpless posters timidly seeking problem behavior martin banschbach professor biochemistry chairman department biochemistry microbiology college osteopathic medicine west tulsa discourse remembering remembering learning learning ignorance 
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diet crohn organization flight data evaluation office distribution lines article uabdpo gila stephen holland writes article john eyles wrote friend apparently fairly minor case crohn disease foods fresh vegetables discomfort avoid recurrence question nutritionists specialize problems people crohn disease problems fresh vegetables guess obstruction intestine knowing obstruction permanent scarring temporary swelling inflammed intestine general dietary limitations patients crohn relate obstruction evidence foods bring recurrence crohn interesting statements simply told questioning steve claims doctor agree foods bring recurrence crohn inflammation mildly drastically enhanced food major obstruction resulting resection good caveat told residue diet called basically idea inflammation realized patient residue system caught folds inflammation constantly irritate exacerbating problem digest completely point common inflammation avoided told typical crohn terminal ileum diet residue consisting completely items corn kernel husk digest popcorn dried dehydrated fruit fruit skins nuts tough giving fudge discouraged greatly vegetables fibrous wheat grain breads exotic lettuce iceberg apparently water greens turnip mustard kale seeds sesame arby long grain wild rice husky beans generate basically requires heavy digestive processing told processed food ironic point preventative give system chance inflame told numerous things heavily discouraged listed wanted felt remember remission veggies cook daylights prefer steaming cooks mileage vary check doctor word info starting point discussion good luck spenser spenser aden lockheed engineering sciences nasa flight data evaluation office johnson space center houston spenser nasa internet opinions mine aden nasa bounces eschew obfuscation unknown 
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diet crohn lines nntp posting host ocom okstate organization college osteopathic medicine distribution article john eyles writes friend apparently fairly minor case crohn disease foods fresh vegetables discomfort avoid recurrence question nutritionists specialize problems people crohn disease suggestion lipoxygnase inhibitors turmeric advance john eyles friend find registered dietician work hospitals clinics major cities private practice speak physicans refer patients crohn disease dietary friend physician make referral medical insurance services services physical therapist medical insurance plans cover friend plan doesn worth cost good diet control intestinal discomfort intestinal lining heal crohn disease inflammatory disease intestinal lining lipoxygenase inhibitors decreasing leukotriene formation aware turmeric lipoxygenase inhibitors inflammation steroids mild case side effects worth small benefit gained steroid upjohn developing lipoxygenase inhibitor greatly deal inflammatory diseases marty 
inject organization oxford university lines injection size needle choose correct spot streptomycin intra muscularly thin needle guage select spot upper outer thigh major nerves blood vessels clean area antiseptic injection make inject deeply kind pain felt needle enters muscle contrasted prick pierces skin doctor treatment injection avoided 
great post candida yeast bloom long summary warning lots words typical phlegmatic fashion organization netcom online communications services login guest lines great post martin informative balanced humanitarian neglecting scientific rigor cross posted psychology personality personality typing discussed beginning note followups comments oriented replies related article banschbach ocom okstate writes thread candida yeast progressed steve dyer exchanging words topic nutrition displayed typical reserve attacked woman poster treated licenced physician disease exist calling physician quack reprehensible steve responding natural hyper choleric syndrome oops recognized illness psychological community exist fascinating disproportionate number physicians type familiar myers briggs system mail send summary file general population comprise population physicians higher exact percentage driving characteristic obvious choleric behavior driver type extreme emotional control lead competent extroverted field marshalls trait valuable essential society people lead strive overcome elements seek thirst knowledge raise level competency great successes science technology large part vision trait scientifically minded approach trait personality types temperaments positive contributions person image challenges dark side personality type obvious physician strong learned temper temperament extremely business lack empathy feeling compelled total control patient patient obedient diagnosis prescription question temperament suffice oblige followup visit matter competent competent knowledge viewpoint extreme drive doctor subject move candida bloom quacks physicans idea human body interacts environment balance altered diet antibiotics professional jealousy elaine helped post misdiagnosed suffering anal retentivitis phlegmatic harsh people past posts raise level discussion level anal effluent humans kinds organisms living system mouth stomach small large intestine sinuses vagina skin nonpathogenic disease people immune system compromised called nonpathogens unlike pathogenic organisms human disease produce toxins live merry existence body organisms considered pathogenic manages residence body poor mucus membrane barrier happen vitamin responsible setting barrier situation prior posts immune stressed blood tests showed vitamin levels sinuses mess doubt mucosal lining cilia heavily damaged antibiotics times years weeks ceftin work confirmed diagnoses chronic bacterial infection sinuses scans mucus color details symptoms traditional made diagnosis cultures difficulty symptoms showed bacterial infection background provided understand make comments sporanox anti fungal therapy question fungus penetrate poor mucus membrane tissue hyphae causing symptoms considered systemic classic sense sort inbetween infection steve real upset elaine doctor anti fungals vitamin problems steve understood vitamin body calling elaine doctor quack concerned toxicity vitamin doctor blood tests vitamin week dropped couple weeks received zinc supplementation interrelate fairly complex ways doctor explained evil orthomolecular specialists blood test weeks vitamin normal stopped vitamin multi vitamin supplement made maintain beta carotene call carrot face elaine doctor similar careful approach supplements reevaluating supplements taking niacin fairly large dosages gram steve dyer good information nutrition niacin order improvement symptomatic relief sinus allergies worth taking large dose long term risking liver damage survives access glucose blooms rides organisms living sinuses tract vagina based successful therapy sporanox excessive growth fungus unknown species sinuses question studies demonstrate candida blooms sinuses sinus irritation sinusitis rhinitis sinus irritation reduced significantly week sporanox treatments implemented time noticeable track problems starting sporanox days considered normal doctor medical reference books remember found obscure comment dating back stated people develop contained lethal aspergillis infestations aspergiliosis sinuses leading sinus inflammation symptoms reference relevant discussion people develop inflammatory process mucus membrane skin bloom site allergic reaction candida doctor tested rast rast similar test allergic response specificially candida albicans showed strong positive question show strong positive test essentially useless assuming true candida grow part mucus membrane tissue concentration exceeds threshold amount person tests allergy candida develop allergic symptoms mucus membrane irritation body allergic response earlier post rocket scientist degree biochemistry plausibility hypothesis repost ivker book sinus survival routinely nizoral sporanox systemic anti fungal safe good sporanox chronic sinusitis patients antibiotics times years claims patients notice relief sinus inflammation symptoms cure means implying called yeast fungus infection primary complication found nystatin internally sinus spray implies assuming excessive yeast fungus bloom aggravating sinus inflammation yeast fungus grown partway tissue nystatin kill yeast fungus direct contact absorbed blood stream admit lots implies hard core double blind study issue start plausible hypothesis explanation strawman internal symptoms symptoms pretty nondescript brings interesting observation deny reject aspects yeast hypothesis studies observe culture yeast bloom sinus diagnose recognize disease realize virtually impossible test candida overbloom part body easily observed candida body real catch catch totally reject yeast hypothesis studies studies standard perspective study considered agree studies order convince funding agencies austere times open wallets literally give evidence acceptable evidence compete proposals paradoxically exact study needed funding study funding scientist national aware smaller funded projects afraid ivker doctors pooled practice case histories anecdotes compelling picture approach funding agencies able publish statistical results obvious comments doctors decided excessive yeast colonization sinuses leading noticeable lethal symptoms exist tenable hypothesis amount case histories compiled anecdotal evidence contrary change mind oppose needed studies minds issue excessive yeast growth leading diffuse allergic symptoms exist period kind tough dialog hold viewpoint kind reminds lister candida check people normal bacterial flora sinuses tract mouth stomach intestines vaginal tract compete food human immune system ususally bother nonpathogenic organisms broach mucus membrane barrier inflammatory response americans vitamin diets american vitamin born autopsy studies level vitamin pathology blindness impair mucus membrane barrier system predisposing factor strong inflammatory response candida bloom nutrients proper working sinus mucus membranes cilia diabetics suffer candida bloom common type bloom broad spectrum antibiotics knock kinds bacteria body remove main competition candida food concerned drugs handle candida patients find doctor evidence systemic infection toxicity anti fungal drugs warrant caution sinus inflammation suspected candida recent broad spectrum antibiotic smoking anti fungal approrpriate anti fungal creams treatment recurring vaginal yeast infections spite steve dyer evidence mycological studies yeast fungus species grow hyphae roots deep tissue similar mold growing bread continue kill surface nystatin kill deeper tissue systemic anti fungal itraconazole sporanox older nizoral toxic effective pointed recent studies doctor mail contact nystatin effective long term treatment tract candidiasis weed garden cutting ground leaving roots ready walk question contained candida bloom partially grow tissue mucus membranes causing types symptoms susceptible people allergy systemic classical sense word strictly excessive bloom causing problems full blown systemic infection potentially lethal system rectal region good reservoir candida pantyhose women creates favorable environment rectum transfer moisture humidity candida vaginal tract effctive ways minimmize transfer wear undyed cotton underwear anal retentive diagnosed prior post provide sites excessive candida growth bloom occurs anal area burning swelling pain blood discharge make patients hemorroids bloom manages move tract diffuse symptomatology occurs abdominal discomfort blood stool positive stool occult blood elaine family doctor place extensive testing told wrong hurt doctor richard kaplan told throiugh mail considers occult blood tests stool specimens waste time money large number false positives candida blooms hurt constant basis fixed nice colon cancer causing distress finally find doctor treats steve dyer calls quack private mail flaws current medical system make difficult impossible physician attempt alternative therapies approved proven accepted therapies work live acute chronic sinusitis failed mention surgery open ostia ostia plugged root condition months aggressive fairly standard therapy sporanox body nutrient level monitoring equalization vitamin lentinen echinacea health vastly improved years health greatly deteriorated skeptics improved view stretching things experience live confident reach call total cure anti fungal program undertook step direction overuse years note sinus problems suggest book ivker mention revised edition wondered chronic distress sinus problems problem tells patients existent syndrome ivker started chronic severe sinus problems visits totally floored live spent years standard standard essentially cured chronic sinusitis shares approach book honestly road recovery parts recommendation systemic anti fungal beginning treatment history anti biotic overuse proven time time practice commented hard core beliefs anti yeast hypothesis posters definite things worked wonders thousand cases mildly surprised violating moral obligations patient doctors reading practice confronted patient symptoms hypothetical yeast overgrowth profiles yeast people identified anti fungal therapy avenues exhausted remember theory practice things synergistic doctor standard produces noticeable symptomatic relief thousand patients notice trust begin hypothesizing works work afraid doctors enamored scientific correctness ignoring patients sworn balanced posters group point common sense empirical approach good systemic anti fungal sporanox exhausted avenues traditional medical establishment able natural thing couple doctor establishment result found significant relief traditional medical establishment kind mechanism doctor fear sued license pulled experimental unproven doubt therapies patients finally reach point accepted therapies ineffective hear doctor therapies approved accepted country work authority experimental unproven techniques helped promise risks sign understand experimental possibly risky nature unproven therapies register case state board suggested jumped pronto doctors altruistic reasons greed practicing alternative therapies risk risk meaning losing license possibly patient mechanism control mainstream medicine provide valuable data essentially free morally ethically current system showing compassion medical community patient reason patient lack mechanism leading large numbers people alternative therapies work case work true quackery soapbox post reaches size orally major bacteria aresol sprays innoculate sinus membranes innoculation occurs mucus membrane barrier system strengthened accomplished vitamin vitamin complex vitamins diet surveys repeatedly show americans folate segement population greatest problem existent disorder candida blooms antibiotic therapy dosage appears promote healing proper working mucos memebranes material obtained natural healing mark bricklin published rodale press notes human nutrition posting discussion vitamin future reference citings point extremely important role vitamin plays mucus membrane defense system body vitamin effective dealing candida blooms effective dietary treatment restrict carbohydrate intake treatment phase important system involved candida glucose grow bacteria give bacteria amino acids fatty acids energy chance candida check carbohydrate returned role complex carbohydrates starch steve sayers jump post fine jumped steve nutrition verbably accosted poster seeking advice doctor vitamin anti fungals candida bloom people seeking advice newsnet treated giving time knowledge slug heart content saved venom steve left helpless posters timidly seeking problem behavior brave soul venom usenet toxic develops immunity year phlegmatic backed attack cholericitis immune system computer system hardened gradual desensitization kind called anal retentive nice ring impressed flowed post classic worthy blue brown ribbon cross post internet hmm martin banschbach professor biochemistry chairman department biochemistry microbiology college osteopathic medicine great informative post hope researched area lurking background post thoughts matter views 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sensitivity superstition article news organization university illinois urbana lines bruce bruce reynolds writes anecedotal evidence worthless doctors drug treatment years swear effective suprised results clinical trials describable reportable documentable symptoms pretty simple discover tend disagree anecdotal evidence provided fairly consistent important points necessity study effects psychological possibly allergy case pointed pyschological effects real effects person make easily person reality psychadelic drugs bizarre twisted hallucinations person experiences acid trip guaranteed person acid trip clinical evidence effects happen pretty lame made point matter perception long ingesting perceives causing effects experience affects hand allergy food anecdotal evidence worthless stuff leads study 
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inject article eeinnc reply hahn organization university wisconsin milwaukee lines nntp posting host originator hahn article krishnas oxford injection size needle choose correct spot streptomycin intra muscularly thin needle guage select spot upper outer thigh major nerves blood vessels clean area antiseptic injection make inject deeply kind pain felt needle enters muscle contrasted prick pierces skin doctor treatment injection avoided areas hurt inject legs prefer stick degree angle barely feel legs muscular pinch inject degree angle hurts rate absorbtion differs subcutaneous muscular injections daily thing switch places consistencey suggest switch legs sides stomach shot prevent irritation clean spot alcohol prep wait alcohol puncture feel good prevent irratation mark spot injected good round bandage spot helps prevent injecting spot spacing sites accuartely experience hope diabetes injection morning david david hahn university wisconsin milwaukee hahn 
food related seizures nntp posting host aisun organization programs university georgia athens lines article pitt gordon banks writes article dozonoff david ozonoff writes cereals corn based post looked literature located articles implicated corn tryptophan seizures idea corn diet potentiate existing latent seizure disorder check kellog cereals corn based interested years intern obese young woman brought comatose reported grand seizures attending corn festival pumped stomach obtained couple liters corn intact kernals hours woke fine tempted sign acute corn intoxication gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect contaminants corn aflatoxin michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio 
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diet crohn distribution world organization hebrew university jerusalem lines article banschbach ocom okstate writes article john eyles writes friend apparently fairly minor case crohn disease foods fresh vegetables discomfort avoid recurrence question nutritionists specialize problems people crohn disease suggestion lipoxygnase inhibitors turmeric advance john eyles friend find registered dietician work hospitals clinics major cities private practice speak physicans refer patients crohn disease dietary friend physician make referral medical insurance services services physical therapist medical insurance plans cover friend plan doesn worth cost good diet control intestinal discomfort intestinal lining heal crohn disease inflammatory disease intestinal lining lipoxygenase inhibitors decreasing leukotriene formation aware turmeric lipoxygenase inhibitors medline search turmeric potent lipoxygenase inhibitor investigated number areas cardiology years cardiothoracic surgery hospital compared effect teaspoon dissolved turmeric bolus preventing myocardial reperfusion injury perfused langendorff sheep heart turmeric effective colleague mine school pharmacy kohen paper press free radical scavenging activity antioxidant activity josh backon huji inflammation steroids mild case side effects worth small benefit gained steroid upjohn developing lipoxygenase inhibitor greatly deal inflammatory diseases marty 
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diet crohn organization gastroenterology univ alabama distribution lines summary thread person crohns vegetables problems unspecified steve holland replies patient mild obstruction avoid things plug crohn dietary restriction general article spenser nasa spenser aden wrote interesting statements simply told questioning steve claims doctor agree foods bring recurrence crohn inflammation mildly drastically enhanced food feeling obout changed community current feeling inflammation induced food evidence patients deprived food mucosal atrophy lack stimulation intestinal growth factors interest providing small amounts nasogastric feeding patients nutrition digress symptoms drastically enhanced food inflammation major obstruction resulting resection good caveat told residue diet called basically idea inflammation realized patient residue system caught folds inflammation constantly irritate exacerbating problem digest completely point common inflammation avoided told typical crohn terminal ileum diet residue consisting completely items corn kernel husk digest popcorn dried dehydrated fruit fruit skins nuts tough giving fudge residue diet obstructions felt food inflammation foods avoided stuck ahead fudge discouraged greatly vegetables fibrous wheat grain breads exotic lettuce iceberg apparently water greens turnip mustard kale seeds sesame arby long grain wild rice husky beans generate basically requires heavy digestive processing told processed food ironic point preventative give system chance inflame told numerous things heavily discouraged listed wanted felt remember remission veggies cook daylights prefer steaming cooks mileage vary check doctor word info starting point discussion good luck spencer makes good point observant informed patient patients able problems digestive processing idea changing food problems avoid foods tested time food real crohn commonly intermittent symptoms patients severly restricted diets months renormalize good article ccfa newsletter recently discussed issue dietary restriction fiber worth reading interest crohn dealing crohn spencer good luck steve holland 
diet crohn organization gastroenterology univ alabama distribution lines article banschbach ocom okstate wrote article john eyles writes friend apparently fairly minor case crohn disease foods fresh vegetables discomfort avoid recurrence question nutritionists specialize problems people crohn disease suggestion lipoxygnase inhibitors turmeric advance john eyles friend find registered dietician work hospitals clinics major cities private practice speak physicans refer patients crohn disease dietary friend physician make referral medical insurance services services physical therapist medical insurance plans cover friend plan doesn worth cost good diet control intestinal discomfort intestinal lining heal crohn disease inflammatory disease intestinal lining lipoxygenase inhibitors decreasing leukotriene formation aware turmeric lipoxygenase inhibitors inflammation steroids mild case side effects worth small benefit gained steroid upjohn developing lipoxygenase inhibitor greatly deal inflammatory diseases marty dietician date crohn ulcerative colitis previously residue diets recommended advice changed differences advice patients obstructuon remaining input physician important find dietician important practice send patients dietician dieticians diet histories evaluate contents diet steve holland 
homeopathy respectable medical tradition nntp posting host organization ampex corporation redwood city lines article pitt gordon banks writes article rgasch oracle robert gasch writes european countries homepathy accepted method curing alleiating conditions modern medicine answer countries insurance pays treatments accepted scientists people country waste time money quackery britain scandanavia worked paid countries britain information miranda castro complete homeopathy handbook isbn oringinally published britain page national health service established homeopathy included officially approved method treatment 
choleric great semantic organization york university lines cross posted psychology personality talks physician personalities apologies readers familiar myers briggs personality terms word intuitive thinkers approximately philosophy science tech pragmatic types intuitive feelers humanities social science theology idealistic types hate guts tend inter marry letter reference conscienciousness decisiveness noring emits typical type stuff physicians responding natural hyper choleric syndrome fascinating disproportionate number physicians type driving characteristic obvious choleric behavior driver type extreme emotional control lead competent strong desire correct semantic mistakes world fouling pristine intellectual nest verbal poop dominant correlation phlegmatic choleric semantic roots choleric idea emotional semantic roots phlegmatic cold unemotional thumbnail sketch hans eysenck refering wundt relating ancient greek quadratic typology modern terms emotional melancholic choleric thoughtful suspicious quickly aroused hotheaded unhappy worried egocentric histrionic anxious exhibitonist active unchangeable changeable calm playful reasonable carefree steadfast persistent hopeful sociable highly principled controlled controlled easy phlegmatic sanguine emotional suspect characterisation choleric psych types call projection ness doctor pediatics runny nose doctor general practice neurology opthamology urology psychiatry seperate real psychiatry channeling tony yorku tony wallis york university toronto canada 
sensitivity superstition organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article uiuc daniel paul checkman writes bruce bruce reynolds writes anecedotal evidence worthless doctors drug treatment years swear effective suprised results clinical trials describable reportable documentable symptoms pretty simple discover leap logic observe situation anecdotal evidence conclude anecdotal evidence lead provide anecdotal evidence interpretation upheld verified follow rigorous clinical trials tend disagree anecdotal evidence provided fairly consistent important points necessity study effects psychological possibly allergy case pointed person make easily person reality good point tendency newsgroup circle wagons viewpoint anecdotal medical evidence worthless counter claims presenting anecdotal evidence support controversial subjects yeast hypothesis evidence evidence requires jury process sort determine truth junk medicine continue strive understand workings body mind purpose alleviating illness anecdotal evidence piece puzzle worthless focus limited resources direction noring charter member infj club dying infj means brave mail send info noring noring international fred gourmet chocolate carlton place phone chips world livermore mail read psychology personality action 
prevent kidney stone formation lines nntp posting host ocom okstate organization college osteopathic medicine asked nutrition vitamin oxalate production toxic kidney stone formation decided post answer recent question kidney stones long flamed medical fellow stating magnesium prevent kidney stone formation state prevent kidney stones forming supplements read find asbestos suit vitamin form oxalic acid large doses needed grams review article nutritional factors calcium kidney stones emphasis vitamin clin nutr glycine forms oxalic acid amino acid oxidases glycine vitamin ways drastically reduce production back dietary intake vitamin glycine increase intake vitamin control hyperoxaluria large doses pyridoxine patients kidney stones urol nephrol significasntly decreased urinary excretion oxalate month treatment program action pyridoxine primary hyperoxaluria clin patients receiving showed significant reduction urinary oxalate levels gylcine effect increased transaminase activity required transaminase activity makes glycine oxidative deamination amino acid oxidases vitamin effect pathways vitamin catabolism pathway leads oxalic acid formation ingested dose oxalic acid highly variable vitamin review article pointed dose upto grams vitamin catabolized form oxalic acid high doses vitamin grams extra vitamin conversion oxalic acid early study vitamin oxalic production proc biol intakes grams grams increased average oxalic acid excretion grams reached average excreted increased gram dose gram dose gram dose gram dose grams jumped average excretion supplementation grams jumped average supplementation required enzymes vitamin body enzymes require vitamin vitamin catabolism completely understood speculation pathway form oxalic acid enzyme requires differences levels explain variable production oxalic acid vitamin challenge preferred route catabolism increasing intake result oxalic acid formmed vitamin supplements typical american diet deficient researchers main calcium oxalate kidney stones deficiency oxalic acid absorbed diets providing oxalic acid showed absolutely change urinary excretion oxalate urol present significant increase urinary oxalate excretion high oxalate foods beans coca instant coffee parsley rhubarb spinach grams beet tops carrots celery chocolate cumber grapefruit kale peanuts pepper sweet potatoe grams threshold latitude food selection recent article points good prevent kidney stone formation increase intake calcium prevent dietary oxalate absorbed increase intake worry kidney stones males females directly related protein intake toxic nerve damage consumed doses extended peroid weeks months usda food survey average intake males females living coupled intake high protein diet greatly increases requirement presence drugs block absorption metabolic antagonists promote excretion urine common birth control pills alcohol isoniazid penicillamine corticosteroids students supplement patients drugs increase requirement dose recommended patients taking birth control pills work drugs increase requirement dietary intake patient history kidney stone formation supplements good prevent kidney stone formation make dietary ratio magnesium oxalate soluble calcium oxalate magnesium calcium ratio concentrated urines patients calcium oxalate calculi invest urol effect magnesium citrate magnesium oxide crystallization calcium urine producted food magnesium interaction urol review article magnesium physiopathology treatment renal calcium stones presse times articles published medical literature role magnesium preventing kidney stone formation thought pretty safe stating magnesium prevent kidney stone formation earlier post news group good john mass jumped guess read medical literature kidney stones real pain people suffer thought avoid pain stay doctor office martin banschbach professor biochemistry chairman department biochemistry microbiology college osteopathic medicine street tulsa discourse remembering remembering learning learning ignorance wise lived china years meaning today world 
request gyro souvlaki sauce organization university pittsburgh lines article donald mackie umich donald mackie writes article michael trofimoff tron locus writes land happen authentic fire making great sauce adorn gyro souvlaki exact recipe acidophilus major ingredients recipies include plain yogurt finely chopped cucumber couple crushed cloves garlic yummy kenneth gilbert university pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit programmer 
great post candida yeast bloom long reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article noring noring writes hate wreck elaborate theory steve dyer professional jealosy doctors patients nystatin picture steve patients response specificially candida albicans showed strong positive question show strong positive test essentially useless assuming true candida grow normal candida tuberculin test people react candida assume test conclusive people react normal people antibodies candida quickly turn fungus ball brings interesting observation deny reject aspects yeast hypothesis studies observe culture yeast bloom sinus diagnose recognize disease realize virtually impossible test candida overbloom part body easily observed candida body real catch discovered requirements good quack theory find disprove write book disprove rake bucks time wondered chronic distress sinus problems problem tells patients existent syndrome suppose common problems crazy ideas professional jealosy extend suffering silence cured quack book gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
homeopathy respectable medical tradition reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article rayaz jagani writes miranda castro complete homeopathy handbook isbn oringinally published britain page national health service established homeopathy included officially approved method treatment suppose died heard homeopaths herbalists employ codified authorities refused hire homeopaths similar chiropractors practice hospitals single hired chiropractor britons able homeopaths gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
epstein barr syndrome questions article reed reply jcherney organization reed college portland lines long shot friend robin recurring bouts mononucleosis type symptoms regularly number years number doctors count mono full wrong admitted idea wrong claimed epstein barr syndrome told doctors exists experience story real medical profession real success treating live assistance joel ogre cherney jcherney horde 
food related seizures organization nasa langley research center hampton lines nntp posting host larc nasa reply mcovingt message article mcovingt michael covington writes newsgroups path news larc nasa saimiri primate wisc elroy nasa swrinde zaphod ohio state howland reston europa gtefsd emory athena aisun mcovingt mcovingt michael covington sender usenet nntp posting host aisun organization programs university georgia athens references date lines article pitt gordon banks writes article dozonoff david ozonoff writes cereals corn based post looked literature located articles implicated corn tryptophan seizures idea corn diet potentiate existing latent seizure disorder check kellog cereals corn based interested years intern obese young woman brought comatose reported grand seizures attending corn festival pumped stomach obtained couple liters corn intact kernals hours woke fine tempted sign acute corn intoxication gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect contaminants corn aflatoxin michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio aflatoxin sharon sharon paulson paulson nasa nasa langley research center bldg mailstop work hampton virginia home 
choleric great semantic organization university illinois urbana lines remember people sanguine choleric melencholic phlegmatic division extraversion neuroticism dimensions eysenck mbti deal neuroticism costa mccrae frank fujita 
krillean photography reply grante rosemount grant edwards organization rosemount lines nntp posting host aquarius stgprao unocal richard ottolini writes living things maintain small electric fields enhance chemical reactions promote communication states cell communicate cells nervous system specialized true electric fields change location time large organism true special photographic techniques applying external fields kirillian photography interact fields resistances caused fields make interesting pictures kirlian photography taking pictures corona discharge objects animate inanimate fields applied objects millions times larger biologically created fields record biologically created electric fields noise high gain sensors typical eegs ekgs kirlian photography phun physics type stuff soaking chunks extra fine steel wool liquid oxygen hitting hammer kirlean setup possibly dangerous pictures diagonistic disease problems organisms understood grant edwards vote rosemount tapered half cocked conceived grante rosemount deferred 
arrhythmia organization beth israel hospital harvard medical school boston mass lines nntp posting host enterprise harvard article perry harvard alexis perry writes article averba stevens tech writes doctors medication caused back irregular beats question blood potassium level doctor concerned worry general term arrhythmia encompass wide range abnormal heart rhythms cardiac dysrhythmias completely benign irregular beats depending beats occurred significance blood potassium levels predispose people underlying heart disease develop arrhythmias potassium levels dangerous clear problem normal levels cardiologists treat mildly normal potassium level david rind rind harvard 
candida yeast bloom fact fiction organization beth israel hospital harvard medical school boston mass lines nntp posting host enterprise harvard article banschbach ocom okstate writes poster treated liscenced physician disease exist calling physician quack reprehensible steve quacks exist quack diagnoses licensed physician guarantee quack licensed physician quack people give commonly diagnosed ailment quack diagnosis point civilization longer worry unscrupulous healers taking advantage people david rind rind harvard 
homeopathy respectable medical tradition lines nntp posting host ocom okstate organization college osteopathic medicine article pitt gordon banks writes article rayaz jagani writes miranda castro complete homeopathy handbook isbn oringinally published britain page national health service established homeopathy included officially approved method treatment suppose died heard homeopaths herbalists employ codified authorities refused hire homeopaths similar chiropractors practice hospitals single hired chiropractor britons able homeopaths provide homeopaths heck heir apparent promote osteopaths ranks eligibility couple years back pleased family osteopathic school sort validated told practice seeking validation philosophy strength national health service adopting suggest validity philosophy nurses taught fine cupping vacuum extraction intradermal fluids means heating placing afflicted site allowing cool sick daughter homeopath david chorley yikes agreeing gordon banks 
modified sense taste cancer organization university northern iowa lines article lunger enet dave lunger writes lack taste foods sense taste eating foods cancer happen answer questions happen family members treated radiation chemotherapy jory graham published cookbook years cooperation american cancer society called taste good recall cookbook needed times favorite foods suddenly yech klier biology dept 
great post candida yeast bloom long summary virtually organization dept university texas austin lines nntp posting host utexas article noring noring writes observe culture yeast bloom sinus diagnose recognize disease realize virtually impossible test candida overbloom part body easily observed candida body article pitt gordon banks writes discovered requirements good quack theory find disprove write book disprove rake bucks time hope gordon banks imply notions hard candida infections causing problems investigated researchers made breakthroughs figuring investigate things previously thought virtually impossible test surprised candida overbloom phenomena candida produce signature byproducts measure lower bound extent recent infection realize tricky difficult expensive inconvenient uncomfortable subjects virtually impossible russell 
diet crohn reply bmdelane uchicago organization university chicago lines thing thread discussion relation inflammation profile ingested fatty acids diagnosed crohn terminal ileum hospital read studies investigating role essentially reducing inflammation evidence mixed studies discussed inflammatory bowel disease macdermott stenson recall correctly methodological bones picked studies results studies patients grams studies recall correctly restriction patients consume informed layperson perspective mistaken lots consumed ratio prostanoid products good prostanoid products fairly ratio issue view gastro community days supplements fairly severe restriction helped significantly absolute amount calories brian 
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epstein barr syndrome questions keywords cfids reply bmdelane uchicago organization university chicago lines article jcherney writes long shot friend robin recurring bouts mononucleosis type symptoms regularly number years number doctors count mono full wrong admitted idea wrong claimed epstein barr syndrome told doctors exists experience story real medical profession real success treating live assistance outbreaks chronic mono entity originally called variant thereof people disease elevated levels antibodies virus prompted official renaming disease chronic fatigue syndrome renaming place annals internal medicine called chronic fatigue immune dysfunction syndrome cfids clear sort immune disregulation causing probs astonishly docs people massively swollen glands recurrent fevers nightsweats wrong thing syndrome partly psychological disagreement people thoughts worth centers theories include psychological stress sort virus retrovirus newly discovered herpes viruses environmental toxins bacteria candida genes combo outright cure moment docs things massive amounts info condition days post flooded facts note lots understood treatable diseases cfids make ruled good 
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great post candida yeast bloom long organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article turpin utexas russell turpin writes hope gordon banks imply notions hard candida infections causing problems investigated researchers made breakthroughs figuring investigate things previously thought virtually impossible test surprised candida overbloom phenomena candida produce signature byproducts measure lower bound extent recent infection realize tricky difficult expensive inconvenient uncomfortable subjects virtually impossible recall reading recently revised edition yeast connection work researchers working theory candida overbloom penetration mucus membrane tissue mild inflammatory response occur large number people reject yeast hypothesis guess view research wasteful quixotic endeavor stay tuned noring charter member infj club dying infj means brave mail send info noring noring international fred gourmet chocolate carlton place phone chips world livermore mail read psychology personality action 
diet crohn organization gastroenterology univ alabama lines article bmdelane uchicago brian manning delaney wrote thing thread discussion relation inflammation profile ingested fatty acids diagnosed crohn terminal ileum hospital read studies investigating role essentially reducing inflammation evidence mixed studies discussed inflammatory bowel disease macdermott stenson recall correctly methodological bones picked studies results studies patients grams studies recall correctly restriction patients consume informed layperson perspective mistaken lots consumed ratio prostanoid products good prostanoid products fairly ratio issue view gastro community days supplements fairly severe restriction helped significantly absolute amount calories brian note research mixed consensus role fatty acids ulcerative colitis role short chain fatty acids patients colostomies rectal pouches inflammed short butyrate shorter role treatment short chain fatty acids forward upcoming meeting boston people raise hypothesis studies restriction fatty acids contact authors directly write letter editor good point abbreviation general fatty acid speaking brian physician named stephen hanauer recognized expert treatment give call interested combinations drugs treatment call position joining ccfa luck steve holland 
sensitivity superstition nntp posting host accord organization motorola cellular infrastructure group lines article julie nasa julie kangas writes foods taste allergic taste spicy food neighbor ulcer allowed force food enhance table salt option eater make commerical product leave include packet salt packets desire salt pepper mustard ketchup pickles table options treat shove condiments throat shove mine walter lundby 
quack quack candida yeast bloom fact fiction organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article rind harvard david rind writes quacks exist quack diagnoses licensed physician guarantee quack licensed physician quack people give commonly diagnosed ailment quack diagnosis point civilization longer worry unscrupulous healers taking advantage people significant numbers unscrupulous doctors squeaky clean traditional crew talk starting treatment kind recommend treatments accepted patient time making quick buck surprised cost medical services significantly inflated quacks color fact doctors dangerous call question true focus medical profession boards focus quacks devoting unbelievable energy search destroy missions pull licenses doctors traditional fully accepted treatments desperate patients traditional accepted medicine make general comment recent posts word quack bandied recklessly doctor doctor wanna decided quit discussing controversial medical subject civilized manner quack quack magically expect readership newsgroup roll backs obedience teach medical school throw authority make point clear quack nebulous word lacking precision sole obfuscate issues hand indiscriminate word sign incompetency coming medical doctor wanna competency expected real scary diagnosed gods newsgroup anal retentive psychotic forward diagnoses free quacks noring suggest doctors wanna doctors refuse open mind alternative treatments theories yeast theory create moderated group call traditional moderated approved anal retentives charter member infj club dying infj means brave mail send info noring noring international fred gourmet chocolate carlton place phone chips world livermore mail read psychology personality action 
request gyro souvlaki sauce reply davel dave lord organization engineering manufacturing diego lines article donald mackie writes article michael trofimoff tron locus writes land happen authentic fire making great sauce adorn gyro souvlaki exact recipe acidophilus major ingredients plain yoghurt grated cucumber coriander spices people half yoghurt half mayonaise 
heat shock proteins nntp posting host forestry reply solmstead forestry organization forestry canada pacific forestry centre lines rousseaua writes heat shock proteins hate derogatory case warranted part cellular response stress reason called heat shock proteins demonstrated heat shock dead tissue meat produce protein dead cares ingesting mutated completely digested stomach worry healthy balanced diet relax advice talking mouth shut open remove doubt ignorance speculate concrete information sherry olmstead biochemist sherry olmstead title technician forestry canada phone victoria internet solmstead forestry 
poisoning heavy water mris reply paul johnson organization marconi research centre great baddow lines article proberts paul roberts writes article king dick king writes recall reading youth science popularization book whyle isotope affect chemistry consumption heavy water fatal seeds watered heavy water sprout heard thought make good eposide columbo poisoned heavy water show chemical test post topic physics fusion shortly cold fusion flap started recall experimental mice showed effects eventually died reason deuterium reaction rates hydrogen extra mass lower velocity boltzman constant mumble throws bits body biochemistry kilter sick heard poisened real life process takes write book imagine replace significant fraction water body heavy water wait normal breakdown repair processes molecules body synthesised deuterium process victim gradually deteriorate eventually imagine weeks poisoner ensure significant proportion water victim ingested heavy mess symptoms doctors alarmed confused organ body suddenly begin deteriorate figure poisoner heavy water victim hospital real story continue heavy water longer ingested hospitalisation late detectable effect victim body fluids literally heavy water molecular weight heavy water victim weight increase body water replaced heavy water detection occurs pathologist notices victim urine strangely dense medical test involving specific gravity body fluid paul paul johnson ideas marconi research reputable idealist responsible opinions 
dominance reply rsilver message nntp posting host kyanite organization telesciences systems lines article rsilver richard silver writes dominance eyedness handedness population people require lens corrections kinds percentages attached thing dominance dominance refers perscription strength recall selectively close dominant percieve image shifts happen close dominant related handedness recall relation moment barry benowitz email bbenowit pyrnj telesci bbenowit phone snail telesciences systems albany moorestown 
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kidney stones organization lines kidney stones doctor tells follow sister diagnosed kidney stones years medication dissolve failed continued great pain decided endometriosis exploratory surgery discovered tumor turned rhabdomyosarcoma rare agressive cancer realize majority cases happen chances 
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space constants equations keywords frequently asked questions article constants expires distribution world organization university north carolina chapel hill lines supersedes nntp posting host mahler archive space constants modified date constants equations calculations list originally compiled dale greer additions appreciated numbers parentheses approximations serve blue skying purposes unix systems provide units program converting systems metric english numbers earth orbital velocity altitude earth orbital velocity geosync radius earth equatorial radius earth radius moon mass earth mass moon mass gravitational constant times mass earth gravitational constant times mass moon gravitational constant times mass earth moon distance earth distance astronomical unit megaton energy equivalent matter williams energy level things force special weapons center ardc kirtland force base mexico effects nuclear weapons compiled glasstone dolan published department defense obtain equations distance velocity acceleration time additional specialized equations ames nasa space moreequations constant acceleration acceleration cylinder space colony radius rotation period circular keplerian orbits velocity circular orbit vesc escape velocity total mass orbiting orbited bodies gravitational constant defined measured accurately radius orbit measured center mass system orbital velocity orbital period semimajor axis orbit sqrt vesc sqrt sqrt sqrt conservation energy period eccentric orbit period circular orbit semi major axis change velocity required plane change angle circular orbit delta sqrt energy mass circular orbit ignores rotational velocity reduces energy rcirc radius earth rcirc radius circular orbit classical rocket equation change velocity specific impulse engine exhaust velocity reaction mass rocket mass excluding reaction mass final mass initial mass relativistic rocket equation constant acceleration unaccelerated sinh cosh tanh relativistic rocket exhaust velocity mass ratio unaccelerated sinh cosh tanh converting parallax distance parsecs seconds astronomical units miscellaneous force mass times acceleration work energy force times distance atmospheric density varies altitude molecular weight local acceleration gravity temperature bolztmann constant earth density density approximately true atmospheric scale height lapse rate emission level earth mars venus titan jupiter saturn uranus neptune triton titius bode approximating planetary distances astronomical units infinity mercury venus earth fits fairly neptune constants planck constant planck constant boltzmann constant stephan boltzmann constant sigma newton gravitational constant wien constant sigma luminosity solar constant intensity radius radius moon speed light vacuum light year light years parsec black hole radius called schwarzschild radius newton grav constant mass speed light things basic rocketry numbers equations aerodynamical stuff energy pound orbit accelerate interstellar velocities circular cases astronomical mnemonics 
space controversial questions keywords frequently asked questions article controversy expires distribution world organization university north carolina chapel hill lines supersedes nntp posting host mahler archive space controversy modified date controversial questions issues periodically argument facts offered summaries attempt represent position community settled bring discussed public policy representatives happened saturn plans widespread belief contrary saturn blueprints lost marshall space flight center microfilm problem creating saturn finding drawings finding vendors supply vintage hardware guidance system components fact launch pads converted space shuttle place launch time redesign accommodate hardware modify launch pads started scratch clean sheet design data space missions immediately investigators nasa missions allowed exclusive access year data obtained order give opportunity analyze data publish results scooped people uninvolved mission nasa frequently releases examples digital form photos public early mission risks nuclear power sources space probes extensive discussion topic sparked attempts block galileo ulysses launches grounds plutonium thermal sources dangerous numerous studies claim worst case scenarios shuttle explosion launch accidental reentry interplanetary velocities risks extremely small interesting data points loss snap rtgs landed intact pacific ocean nimbus weather satellite failed reach orbit fuel recovered months release plutonium april apollo lunar module reentered atmosphere snap heat source jettisoned fell intact feet deep tonga trench pacific ocean corrosion resistant materials expected prevent release fuel period time equal half lives fuel years make informed judgement references pursue good review technical facts issues daniel salisbury radiation risk planetary exploration controversy planetary report june pages good article reviews events preceding galileo launch showdown robert nichols appeared november issue astra magazines published space organizations planetary society national space society gordon chipman advanced space nuclear systems developing space frontier edited albert naumann grover alexander univelt hazards plutonium toxicity bernard cohen health physics page corporation safety status report ulysses mission risk analysis book document number published nasa office space science applications final environmental impact statement ulysses mission tier serial number number ntis nasa june department energy transuranic elements environment wayne hanson editor document government printing office washington april impact space shuttle ozone layer time time claims made chemicals released space shuttle solid rocket boosters srbs responsible significant amount damage ozone layer studies reality minute impact absolute terms relative chemical sources remainder item response author quoted study charles jackman atmospheric modelling study space shuttle effects stratosphere involved independent theoretical groups organized michael prather nasa goddard institute space studies groups involved michael prather maria garcia nasa giss charlie jackman anne douglass nasa goddard space flight center malcolm atmospheric environmental research effort effects space shuttle titan rockets stratosphere estimated sources stratospheric chlorine industrial sources kilograms year natural sources kilograms year shuttle sources kilograms year shuttle source assumes space shuttles titan rockets launched yearly launches total stratospheric chlorine sources effect ozone minimal global yearly average total ozone decreased total ozone variability volcanic activity solar flares influence human made chlorine products ozone computed atmospheric model calculations decrease globally averaged ozone influence space shuttle titan rockets stratosphere negligible launch schedule space shuttle titan rockets increased factor hundred order effect ozone increases industrial halocarbons present time theoretical results study published space shuttle impact stratosphere prather garcia douglass jackman journal geophysical research charles jackman atmospheric chemistry dynamics branch code nasa goddard space flight center greenbelt chemical rockets environment mcdonald bennett hinshaw barnes aerospace america long human live unprotected space hold breath exposure space half minute produce permanent injury holding breath damage lungs scuba divers watch ascending eardrum trouble eustachian tubes badly plugged theory predicts animal experiments confirm exposure vacuum injury explode blood boil freeze instantly lose consciousness minor problems sunburn possibly bends mild reversible painless swelling skin underlying tissue start seconds point lose consciousness lack oxygen injuries accumulate minutes dying limits references effect chimpanzee rapid decompression vacuum alfred koestler nasa experimental animal decompression vacuum environment bancroft dunn report june usaf school aerospace medicine brooks texas challenger astronauts died challenger shuttle launch destroyed explosion documented fact rogers commission report looked explosion fuel burning external tank forces crew cabin sufficient kill astronauts mind destroy bodies kerwin team medical forensic report astronauts killed intact cabin water circa bodies spent weeks underwater remains recovered kerwin team examined buried shuttle earth orbit shuttle orbiter missions earth orbit heavy carry fuel fill part cargo tanks weight things wings totally useless vicinity earth shuttle orbiter highly specialized travel earth surface orbit taking higher enormously costly wasteful approach shuttle subsystems build specialized high orbit spacecraft concise answer henry spencer face mars rock mars remarkably humanoid face appears frames viking orbiter imagery facelike appearance published degrees western horizon degrees west science writer richard hoagland championed idea face artificial intended resemble human erected extraterrestrial civilization analysts concede resemblance accidental viking images show smiley faced crater lava flow resembling kermit frog mars exists mars anomalies research society address study face mars observer mission carry extremely high resolution camera images formation settle question years meantime speculation face carried altnet group alien visitors space astro dipeitro molenaar unusual martian surface features mars research glen dale maryland mail pozos face mars chicago review press account interdisciplinary speculative conference hoagland organized investigate face hoagland monuments mars city edge forever north atlantic books berkeley california elaborate discussion evidence speculation formations face form city carlotto digital imagery analysis unusual martian surface features applied optics extracts dimensional model face images carlotto stein method searching artificial objects planetary surfaces journal british interplanetary society fractal image analysis model guess face artificial leary analysis images face mars intelligent origin jbis lights carlotto model angles shows consistent shows face facelike observed surface space activist interest research groups space publications 
space interest groups publications keywords frequently asked questions article groups expires distribution world organization university north carolina chapel hill lines supersedes nntp posting host mahler archive space groups modified date space activist interest research groups space publications groups aerospace industry association professional group primary membership major aerospace firms headquartered area acts voice aerospace industry opinions backed reams analyses reputations firms address needed aiaa american institute aeronautics astronautics professional association members local chapters country largest chapters area members members francisco members seattle houston orange county student chapters union acts represent aviation space professionals engineers managers financial types nationwide holds conferences year space aviation topics publishes technical journals aerospace journal journal spacecraft rockets technical reference books source current aerospace state published 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australian international primarily university collaborators activities include development sounding rockets small satellites microsatellites high altitude research balloons payloads student projects levels open person organisation interested participating publishes monthly newsletter quarterly technical journal membership dual subscription subscriptions newsletter journal asera ryde australia email lindley csiro british interplanetary society oldest space group publishes excellent journals spaceflight covering current space activities journal technical papers space activities term space probes interstellar missions published design study interstellar probe called daedalus british interplanetary society south lambeth road london england dues information present international space university profit international graduate level educational institution dedicated promoting peaceful exploration development space multi cultural multi disciplinary space education research information summer session program permanent campus activities send messages information isunet contact executive offices international space university massachusetts avenue floor cambridge phone society defunct founded keith carolyn henson advocate space colonization major success preventing participation moon treaty late merged national space institute forming national space society national space club open general membership primarily comprised professionals aerospace industry acts information conduit social gathering group active chapter monthly meetings invited speakers heavy hitters field annual outlook space conference definitive source data government annual planning space programs cheap membership approx address needed national space society space group distinguished network local chapters supports general agenda space development space including nasa space station publishes astra monthly glossy magazine runs shuttle launch tours space hotline telephone services major sponsor annual space development conference spacecause spacepac political lobbying organizations membership youth senior regular national space society membership department pennsylvania avenue washington planetary society founded carl sagan largest space advocacy group publishes planetary report monthly glossy supported seti hardware development financially agenda primarily support space science recently amended include international manned mission mars planetary society north catalina avenue pasadena membership year space studies institute founded gerard neill physicist freeman dyson presidency neill death publishes update bimonthly newsletter describing work progress conducts research program including mass drivers lunar mining processes simulants composites lunar materials solar power satellites runs biennial princeton conference space manufacturing membership year senior associates year fund research space studies institute rosedale road princeton seds students exploration development space founded 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membership regional contacts coordinate local activity spacepac primarily operates election process contributing money volunteers space candidates spacepac pennsylvania washington united states space foundation public profit organization supported member donations dedicated promoting international education understanding support space group hosts annual conference teachers interested education projects include developing lesson plans space teach basic skills reading publishes spacewatch monthly glossy magazine ussf events general space news annual dues charter year individual teacher college student high elementary founder life member united states space foundation colorado springs world space foundation designing building solar sail spacecraft longer similar group employees lend talents project partial funding palomar survey extremely successful search earth asteroids publishes foundation news foundation astronautics notebook quarterly page newsletter contributing associate minimum year money support projects world space foundation post office south pasadena california publications aerospace daily mcgraw hill good coverage aerospace space issues approx space smithsonian bimonthly magazine boulder year year international european space agency publishes variety periodicals generally free charge document describing detail ames space archive space esapublications final frontier mass market bimonthly magazine history book reviews general interest articles wonders solar system wanted military space programs final frontier publishing morris year canada space news weekly magazine covers civil military space programs good political business spotty technical coverage space news springfield year discounts members journal astronautical sciences space times publications american astronautical society details business office rolling mill place suite springfield world semi monthly reports current news analysis system policies affecting technical product issues shaping applications world willamette eugene free qualified individuals write free sample copy innovation space technology free published nasa office advanced concepts technology revised version nasa office commercial programs newsletter planetary encounter depth technical coverage planetary missions diagrams lists experiments interviews people directly involved world spaceflight news depth technical coverage earth spaceflight covers shuttle payload manifests activity schedules post mission assessment reports mission sewell year canada year space monthly magazine british aerospace trade journal good year space calendar weekly newsletter space daily space daily newsletter short paragraph news notes online unknown space technology investor commercial space news irregular internet column aspects commercial space business free limited paper edition seal beach published phillips business information montrose road potomac aerospace financial news year defense daily good coverage space defense issues year space business news weekly good overview space business activities year space exploration technology weekly year space station news weekly year undocumented groups care write descriptions groups mentioned inclusion answer encouraged american astronautical society groups mentioned astronaut 
space astronaut keywords frequently asked questions article astronaut expires distribution world organization university north carolina chapel hill lines supersedes nntp posting host mahler archive space astronaut modified date astronaut short form authored henry spencer official nasa announcement astronaut assume nasa astronaut impossible russian cosmonaut corps paying passengers professional cosmonauts nations astronauts fewer hoping lottery shuttle pilot requires lots fast experience means military flying career forget shuttle mission specialist citizen crucial thing remember demand jobs vastly exceeds supply nasa problem finding qualified people thinning lineup manageable length qualified avoid qualified reason principle irrelevant specialize involves hands dirty equipment paper pencil forget computer programming ground fore seeable future degree field work experience frequent winner good physical condition good eyesight radial keratomy similar hack improve vision sudden pressure rked eyes long term effects poorly understood matter avoid significant medical unknowns pass pilot physical chances poor practise public speaking conservative conformist appearance actions tough selling ahead convince cautious conservative selection committee hundreds applicants credit nasa hired public relations significant part nasa image prim proper image squeaky clean workaholic yuppie remember security clearance point security considers guilty proven innocent nose clean pilot license make flying number hobby experienced pilots favored pilot jobs work nasa astronauts selected military nasa employees remaining nasa consultant jemison black female astronaut apply nasa miss offer nasa past meant interesting space highly motivated people lose chance demonstrate motivation astronauts make time nasa national aeronautics space administration lyndon johnson space center houston texas announcement mission specialist pilot astronaut candidates astronaut candidate program national aeronautics space administration nasa pilot astronaut candidates mission specialist astronaut candidates support space shuttle program nasa accepting continuous basis plans select astronaut candidates needed persons civilian sector military services considered positions located lyndon johnson space center houston texas involved year training evaluation program space shuttle program description numerous successful flights space shuttle demonstrated operation experimental investigations space routine space shuttle orbiter launched maneuvers earth orbit performing missions lastling days returns earth ready flight payloads flight crew orbiter performs variety orbital missions including deployment retrieval satellites service existing satellites operation specialized laboratories astronomy earth sciences materials processing manufacturing operations missions eventually include development servicing permanent space station orbiter staging capability higher orbits achieved orbiter users space shuttle capabilities domestic foreign include government agencies private industries crew consists people commander pilot mission specialists occasion additional crew members assigned commander pilot mission specialists nasa astronauts pilot astronaut pilot astronauts server space shuttle commanders pilots flight commander onboard responsibility vehicle crew mission success safety flight pilot assists commander controlling operating vehicle addition pilot assist deployment retrieval satellites utilizing remote manipulator system extra vehicular activities payload operations mission specialist astronaut mission specialist astronauts working commander pilot responsibility coordination shuttle operations areas crew activity planning consumables usage experiment payload operations mission specialists required detailed knowledge shuttle systems detailed knowledge operational characteristics mission requirements objectives supporting systems equipment experiments conducted assigned missions mission specialists perform extra vehicular activities payload handling remote manipulator system perform assist specific experimental operations astronaut candidate program basic qualification requirements applicants meet minimum requirements prior submitting application mission specialist astronaut candidate bachelor degree accredited institution engineering biological science physical science mathematics degree years related progressively responsible professional experience advanced degree desirable substituted part experience requirement master degree year doctoral degree years quality academic preparation important ability pass nasa class space physical similar civilian military class flight physical includes specific standards distant visual acuity uncorrected correctable blood pressure measured sitting position height inches pilot astronaut candidate bachelor degree accredited institution engineering biological science physical science mathematics degree years related progressively responsible professional experience advanced degree desirable quality academic preparation important hours pilot command time aircraft flight test experience highly desirable ability pass nasa class space physical similar military civilian class flight physical includes specific standards distant visual acuity uncorrected correctable blood pressure measured sitting position height inches citizenship requirements applications astronaut candidate program citizens united states note academic requirements applicants astronaut candidate program meet basic education requirements nasa engineering scientific positions specifically successful completion standard professional curriculum accredited college university leading bachelor degree major study field engineering biological science physical science mathematics degree fields related engineering sciences considered qualifying degrees technology engineering technology aviation technology medical technology degrees psychology clinical psychology physiological psychology experimental psychology qualifying degrees nursing degrees social sciences geography anthropology archaeology degrees aviation aviation management similar fields application procedures civilian application package obtained writing nasa johnson space center astronaut selection office attn houston civilian applications accepted continuous basis nasa decides select additional astronaut candidates consideration applications hand date decision made applications received date retained considered selection applicants notified annually opportunity update applications continued interest considered program applicants update applications annually dropped consideration applications retained preliminary screening applications additional information requested applicants person listed application supervisors references contacted active duty military active duty military personnel submit applications respective military service directly nasa application procedures disseminated service selection personal interviews medical evaluations required civilian military applicants final consideration final selections made applicants considered notified outcome process selection rosters established process selection additional candidates year period establishment general program requirements selected applicants designated astronaut candidates assigned astronaut office johnson space center houston texas astronaut candidates undergo year training evaluation period time assigned technical scientific responsibilities allowing contribute substantially ongoing programs participate basic astronaut training program designed develop knowledge skills required formal mission training selection flight pilot astronaut candidates maintain proficiency nasa aircraft candidate period applicants aware selection astronaut candidate insure selection astronaut final selection astronaut depend satisfactory completion year training evaluation period civilian candidates successfully complete training evaluation selected astronauts permanent federal employees expected remain nasa period years civilian candidates selected astronauts positions nasa depending agency requirements manpower constraints time successful military candidates detailed nasa tour duty nasa affirmative action program goal qualified minorities women qualified astronaut candidates qualified minorities women encouraged apply benefits civilians salaries civilian astronaut candidates based federal governments general schedule scales grades accordance individuals academic achievements experience benefits include vacation sick leave retirement plan participation group health life insurance plans military selected military personnel detailed johnson space center remain active duty status benefits leave similar military matters orbital planetary launch services 
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fraud waste substantiated significant degree readers detecting fraud waste abuse mismanagement contact nasa inspector general hours anonymous write nasa inspector general enfant plaza station washington online offline sources images data diff data rcst data telephone email address request gsfc nasa space planetary image facility hours anonymous pioneer approximately full imagery tabular data start file pioneer info beginner info give information data machine beginner info translated languages inside info language meets contact space telescope science institute electronic information service diff math rcst math series compute positions accurate minute period years pluto included stated accuracy minutes multiyear interactive computer almanac mica produced naval observatory valid years order macintosh order ntis sales desk intended replace usno interactive computer ephemeris interactive computer ephemeris naval observatory distributed floppy disks willmann bell covers dates diff references rcst references naval observatory usno bulletin board modem general nautical almanac office info interactive computer ephemeris willmann bell ssrt single stage rocket technology project funded suborbital technology demonstrator called development operational single stage orbit vehicle uncertain present considerably detail ssrt program document ames nasa space deltaclipper anonymous email server star person official names decided committees international ssrt single stage rocket technology project funded suborbital technology demonstrator called development operational single stage orbit vehicle called delta clipper uncertain present collection pictures files relating anonymous email server directory bongo utexas delta clipper chris johnson chrisj utexas maintains archive star person official names decided committees international university press information lunar orbiter missions including maps coverage lunar nearside farside orbiters orbiting earth satellite histories list earth orbiting satellites orbit anonymous ames nasa space satellites spacecraft models diff addresses rcst addresses useless employees caltech employees contractors part similar responsibilities offer alternative funding nasa centers fact sheet description anonymous ames nasa space jpldescription nasa johnson manned space center houston diff probes rcst probes team isas nasda launch schedules press kits asuka astro isas japan astronomy satellite launched earth orbit equipped large area wide wavelength angstrom telescope cameras imaging scintillation proportional counters cassini saturn orbiter titan atmosphere probe cassini joint nasa project designed accomplish exploration saturnian system cassini saturn orbiter huygens titan probe cassini magellan venus radar mapping mission mapped entire surface high resolution mapping cycle collecting global gravity mars observer mars orbiter including pixel resolution camera launched titan booster transit mars arriving operations start martian year days topex poseidon joint french earth observing satellite launched august ariane booster primary objective topex poseidon project make precise accurate global observations level years substantially increasing understanding global ocean dynamics satellite magellan venus radar mapping mission mapped entire surface high resolution collecting global gravity mars observer mars orbiter including pixel resolution camera launched titan booster transit mars arriving operations start martian year days topex poseidon joint french earth observing satellite launched ariane booster primary objective topex poseidon project make precise accurate global observations level years substantially increasing understanding global ocean dynamics satellite diff astronaut rcst astronaut specific standards distant visual acuity uncorrected correctable blood pressure measured sitting position height inches pilot astronaut candidate specific standards distant visual acuity uncorrected correctable blood pressure measured sitting position height inches pilot astronaut candidate 
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messages list address request address periodically updated information addition list broad variety topical information posted noted group space news created purpose remember individuals posting information performing service readers time frivolous requests acronyms garrett wollman wollman posts acronym list month astro list veikko makela veikko makela posts monthly list anonymous servers astronomy space related material space astro aviation week henry spencer henry toronto posts summaries space related stories weekly aviation week space technology buying telescopes ronnie ronnie posts guide buying telescopes astro electronic journal barry posts monthly electronic journal astronomical society atlantic astro flight international swaraj jeyasingh sjeyasin posts summaries space related news flight international focuses space activities aviation week large astronomical projects robert bunge rbunge digex posts list describing large telescope projects considered works astro nasa headline news 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engineers rocket engineers spacecraft design brij agrawal design geosynchronous spacecraft prentice hall isbn james wertz spacecraft attitude determination control kluwer isbn chetty satellite technology applications mcgraw hill isbn james wertz wiley larson editors space mission analysis design kluwer academic publishers dordrecht boston london isbn paperback hardback system level design spacecraft detailed design chapters appendices pages leads reader mission design system level design fictitious earth observation satellite illustrate principles convey warning book chock full reference tables numbers tables launch costs launchers wrong ordered telephone credit card kluwer phone number cost esoteric propulsion schemes solar sails lasers fusion date references start antimatter antiproton annihilation propulsion robert forward afrpl force rocket propulsion laboratory afrpl stop edwards force base ntis paper copy price code microfiche technical study making holding antimatter term years propulsion systems excellent bibliography forward proponent antimatter contractor university dayton research institute dtic defense technical information center defense logistics agency cameron station alexandria ntis number advanced space propulsion study antiproton beamed power propulsion robert forward afal force astronautics laboratory dtic ntis summarizes previous paper detail beamed power systems including pellet microwave laser beamed power systems intersteller transport design relativistic laser pushed lightsail term laser technology survey laser thermal propulsion tether transportation systems antiproton annihilation propulsion exotic applications solar sails laser pushed interstellar lightsails status antiproton annihilation propulsion prospects obtaining antimatter ions heavier antiprotons extensive bibliography application antimatter electric power interstellar propulsion nordley jbis interstellar studies issue bussard ramjets related methods matloff fennelly interstellar applications limitations electrostatic electromagnetic collection techniques jbis langston erosion interstellar drag screens jbis powell flight dynamics augmented interstellar rocket jbis martin effects drag relativistic spacefight jbis fusion laser fusion rocket interplanetary propulsion roderick hyde llnl report ucrl contact technical information dept livermore fusion pellet design fuel selection energy loss mechanisms pellet compression metrics thrust chamber magnetic nozzle shielding tritium breeding thermal modeling fusion driver lasers particle beams heat rejection vehicle summary mass estimates vehicle performance interstellar travel required exhaust velocities limit fusion capability interplanetary missions limited power weight ratio trajectory modeling typical mission profiles references including report jbis project daedalus driver technology fusion electric propulsion robert bussard journal propulsion power sept fusion rocket engines analyzed electric propulsion systems propulsion thrust power input power ratio thrust power gain greater unity gain values conventional solar fission electric propulsion systems small high thrust interplanetary flight system acceleration capabilities local gravitational acceleration contrast gain values times higher found fusion concepts offer high thrust flight capability performance shows powered coast transit time payload single stage earth mars vehicle shows potential high acceleration flight earth moon space engine system direct electric fusion powered systems aerospace flight propulsion robert bussard energy matter conversion corp center street manassas introduction application bussard version farnsworth hirsch electrostatic confinement fusion technology propulsion farnsworth hirsch demonstrated neutron flux device back dropped panic ensued surprising stability soviet tokamak hirsch responsible panic recently recanted back working bowery plasmaktm star power energy intensive space applications paul koloc topical meeting technology fusion energy special issue fusion technology march aneutronic energy fusion negligible neutron flux requires plasma pressures stable confinement times larger delivered current approaches plasma pressures burn times order milliseconds achieved aneutronic fuels high power densities compact realtively clean burning engines space special applications hand plasmaktm innovation make unique pressure efficient structure exceptional stability fluid mechanically compressible mantle direct inductive electric power conversion advantages peak burn densities tens megawats give compactness multi gigawatt electric output size engineering advantages rapid development schedule modest cost strongly recommend people hirsch primary proponent tokamak recently declared koloc plasmaktm precursor spheromak promising fusion technologies pursued tokamak preceeding appeal authority plasmaktm finally models ball lightning solid physics bowery drives retrieve files space spacelink ames space archive deal aspects drives describe sert missions flight tested cesium thrusters numerous references mass drivers coilguns railguns iee transactions magnetics january issue publish proceedings symposium electromagnetic launcher technology including hundreds papers subject good state good tutorial beginners good review papers nuclear rockets fission technical notes nuclear rockets bruce knight donald kingsbury unpublished donald kingsbury math dept mcgill university station montreal quebec canada solar sails starsailing solar sails interstellar travel louis friedman wiley york paper technical adequate overview roundtrip interstellar travel laser pushed lightsails journal spacecraft rockets tethers tethers asteroids artificial gravity assist solar system penzo mayer journal spacecraft rockets details spacecraft kevlar tether mass change velocity slightly travelling velocity suitable asteroid general alternate propulsion energy sources robert forward afprl ntis keywords propulsion energy metastable helium free radical hydrogen solar pumped plasmas antiproton annihiliation ionospheric lasers solar sails perforated sails microwave sails quantum fluctuations antimatter rockets wide deep exotic energy sources space propulsion considers kinds laser propulsion metallic hydrogen tethers unconventional nuclear propulsion bibliographic information pointing research stuff belongs daydreamer shelf future magic robert forward avon isbn nontechnical discussion tethers antimatter gravity control futher topics satellites deep black william burrows modern general book spysats base debate satellite station nurrungar ball allen unwin australia isbn covers early warning satellites pine australia geostationary signals intelligence satellite program ball allen unwin australia isbn covers rhyolite aquacade chalet vortex magnum signals intelligence satellites guardians strategic reconnaissance satellites curtis peebles allan isbn good military salyut soviet satellites told flaws discussion rhyolite america secret eyes space keyhole satellite program jeffrey richelson harper isbn class historical reference keyhole satellites secret sentries space philip klass long print worth space shuttle computer systems communications september special issue space shuttle computers myron kayton avionics manned spacecraft iee transactions aerospace electronic systems november aiaa iee publications computers spaceflight nasa experience james tomayko seti computation signal processing cullers ivan linscott bernard oliver signal processing seti communications november categories subject descriptors operating systems process management concurrency pattern recognition applications signal processing phsyical sciences engineering astronomy general terms design additional words phrases digital fourier transforms finite impulse response filters interstellar communications search extra terrestrial intelligence signal detection spectrum analysis amateur satellies weather satellites fairly long writeup receiving interpreting weather satellite photos ames space archive space weatherphotos american radio relay league publication service offers references section amsat space groups segment arrl satellite experimenters handbook arrl weather satellite handbook software weather satellite handbook amsat space symposium amsat space symposium shipping extra american radio relay league publications department main street newington tides srinivas bettadpur contributed writeup tides ames space archive space tides covers areas tidal deformation treatment tidal fields practice long term evolution earth moon system tides writeup refers texts geophysical geodesy lambeck tides planet earth melchior constants equations calculations 
space mission schedules supersedes organization university north carolina chapel hill lines distribution world expires nntp posting host mahler keywords frequently asked questions archive space schedule modified date space shuttle answers launch schedules coverage shuttle launchings landings schedules shuttle operations discussed usenet group space shuttle hollis gandalf electric posts compressed version shuttle manifest launch dates information periodically manifest ames space archive space manifest portion manifest included removed refer posting archived copy date information upcoming missions call info kennedy space center official nasa shuttle status reports posted space news frequently shuttle roll liftoff answer translation provided jenks kjenks nasa ascent guidance flight control training manual vertical rise phase launch attitude commanded loaded sufficient assure launch tower clearance achieved tilt maneuver roll program orients vehicle heads attitude required generate negative alpha turn alleviates structural loading advantages attitude performance gain decreased abort maneuver complexity improved band angles crew view horizon tilt maneuver required start gaining downrange velocity achieve main engine cutoff meco target stage good answer couched nasa jargon interpret wait shuttle clears tower rolling roll shuttle angle attack wind caused passage atmosphere relative wind chord wings imaginary line leading edge trailing edge slightly negative angle negative alpha downward force belly orbiter direction force alleviates structural loading careful wings delicate part vehicle attitude roll carry mass orbit achieve higher orbit mass change orbit higher lower inclination case roll performance gain attitude crew complicated flight path execute dangerous abort maneuvers return launch site decreased abort maneuver complexity attitude improves ability ground based radio antennae good line sight signal band radio antennae orbiter improved band angles attitude crew horizon helpful mandatory part piloting flying machine attitude orients shuttle body parallel ground nose east thrust engines velocity correct direction eventually achieve orbit remember velocity vector quantity made speed direction shuttle large horizontal component velocity small vertical component attain orbit begs question launch oriented give nice attitude begin shuttle roll achieve attitude answer pads leftovers apollo days shuttle straddles flame trenches solid rocket motor exhaust space shuttle main engine exhaust effects daytime launch exhaust dirty gray garbage ssme exhaust fluffy white steam watch difference orbiter side bottom external tank side stack access tower support service structure oriented basically saturn side note saturn roll program shuttle checked buddy ascent dynamics added roll maneuver maneuver axes roll pitch roll component maneuver performed reasons stated pitch component controls loading wings keeping angle attack alpha tight tolerance component determine orbital inclination total maneuver expressed quaternion grad level math concept combining rotation matrices element array receive nasa channel nasa select nasa select broadcast satellite access satellite dish find select satcom transponder band degrees west longitude audio frequency stationed atlantic increasingly difficult receive california points west events special interest shuttle missions select broadcast satellite viewers satellite feed cable operators carry select worth doesn select schedule found nasa headline news frequently posted space news generally carries press conferences briefings nasa officials live coverage shuttle missions planetary encounters select recently begun carrying secondary material spacelink missions covered amateur radio frequencies shuttle missions believed rebroadcast space shuttle mission audio angeles ames research center mountain view california goddard space flight center gsfc greenbelt maryland johnson space center houston texas propulsion laboratory pasadena california voice bulletins station transmits mission audio special event station frequencies supplying keplerian elements mission information transmits mission audio transmit voice bulletins frequencies bands require frequencies bands frequencies item recently updated courtesy gary morris solid rocket booster fuel composition reference shuttle flight operations manual volume solid rocket booster systems nasa document propellant composition percent ammonium perchlorate oxidizer aluminum iron oxide burn rate catalyst polybutadiene acrilic acid acrylonitrile rubber epoxy curing agent reference comment aluminum rubber epoxy burn oxidizer historical planetary probes 
space planetary probe history supersedes organization university north carolina chapel hill lines distribution world expires nntp posting host mahler keywords frequently asked questions archive space probe modified date planetary probes historical missions section lightly adapted original posting larry klaes klaes enet minor formatting matthew wiener weemba wistar upenn contributed section voyager section sakigake obtained isas material posted yoshiro yamada yamada planetary missions mariner venus mars mercury flybys orbiters mariner attempt send spacecraft venus failed minutes launch guidance instructions ground stopped reaching rocket problem antenna onboard computer control turned guidance software rocket promptly range safety officer destroyed claimed incorrect fortran statement transcription error indicating smoothing omitted expression smoothed derivative radius error software treat normal minor variations velocity leading incorrect compensation mariner successful probe flyby venus december returned information confirmed venus degrees fahrenheit revised degrees world cloud covered atmosphere composed primarily carbon dioxide sulfuric acid confirmed mariner launched november lost protective shroud failed eject craft interplanetary space unable collect energy power solar panels probe died batteries solar orbit intended mars flyby mariner mariner sister probe mariner reach mars close images martian surface flew planet probe found cratered world atmosphere thinner previously thought scientists concluded preliminary scan mars dead world geological biological sense mariner venus reconfirmed data planet collected years earlier mariner information venus atmospheric pressure surface times earth equivalent feet surface ocean mariner mars expanded work mariner years earlier failed concept mars dead planet made basic measurements mariner mariner ended atlantic ocean rocket launcher autopilot failed mariner sister probe mariner craft orbit mars returned information planet probe revealing huge volcanoes martian surface giant canyon systems evidence water flowed planet probe detailed closeup images mars small moons phobos deimos mariner venus gravity assist mercury probe return close images venusian atmosphere ultraviolet revealing previously unseen details cloud cover fact entire cloud system circles planet earth days mariner eventually made flybys mercury running attitude control probe revealed mercury heavily cratered world mass greater thought mercury iron core makes percent entire planet pioneer moon venus jupiter saturn flybys orbiters pioneer failed meet main objective photograph moon close reach space provide information area earth moon including data allen radiation belts circling earth craft failures rocket launchers pioneer launched october pioneer november pioneer december pioneer moon probe missed moon spacecraft orbit pioneer originally designed flyby venus mission scaled studied interplanetary environment venus earth million kilometers record mariner pioneer solar orbit pioneer transmitting information time pioneer number suffered launch failure pioneer spacecraft flyby jupiter pioneer probe study saturn vehicles continue function heading interstellar space craft pioneer venus pioneer venus orbiter pioneer burned venusian atmosphere october made radar studies planet surface probe pioneer venus pioneer small probes atmosphere december main spacecraft burned high atmosphere probes descended parachute surface expected survive surface probe make transmitted minutes ground batteries failed ranger lunar lander impact missions ranger test probes ranger lunar impact series meant high earth orbit testing rocket problems left useless orbits quickly decayed ranger launched january intended land instrument capsule surface moon problems launch caused probe miss moon head solar orbit ranger images moon flew camera aimed deep space attempt ranger launched april purpose ranger suffered technical problems enroute crashed lunar farside probe reach moon albeit returning data ranger launched october similar ranger lost solar panel battery power enroute eventually missed moon drifted solar orbit ranger modified lunar missions send back live images lunar surface headed impact moon ranger failed objective cameras operate ranger performed lunar probes return thousands lunar images lunar orbiter lunar surface photography lunar orbiter designed orbit moon image sites studied landing areas manned apollo missions probes contributed greatly understanding lunar surface features lunar farside probes series launched essentially successful missions probes orbit moon eventually crashed lunar surface avoid interference manned apollo missions surveyor lunar soft landers surveyor series designed primarily apollo lunar module land surface moon sinking soil time feared moon covered great layers dust support heavy landing vehicle surveyor successful proving lunar surface strong hold spacecraft surveyor unsuccessful missions rest probes soft land moon taking thousands images scooping soil analysis apollo landed feet surveyor returned parts craft earth surveyor series purely scientific mission explored tycho crater region viking mars orbiters landers viking launched cape canaveral florida august titan centaur rocket probe martian orbit june lander western slopes chryse planitia july began programmed search martian micro organisms debate probes found life back incredible color panoramas surroundings thing scientists learned mars pinkish color dark blue originally thought pink sunlight reflecting reddish dust particles thin atmosphere lander field sand boulders stretching cameras image viking orbiter functioning august attitude control propellant lander switched weather reporting mode hoped functioning november errant command lander accidentally telling shut orders communication regained engineers efforts interesting side note viking lander designated thomas mutch memorial station honor late leader lander imaging team national space museum washington entrusted safekeeping mutch station plaque attached lander manned expedition viking launched september arrived martian orbit august lander touched september utopia planitia accomplished essentially tasks sister lander exception seisometer worked recording marsquake orbiter series attitude control leaks prompted shut july lander shut april orbits viking orbiters decay voyager outer planet flybys voyager launched september flew past jupiter march saturn november voyager launched august voyager flew jupiter august saturn august uranus january neptune august voyager advantage rare years alignment slingshot outer planet outer planet voyager principle headed pluto opted thing titan close probes knowledge giant planets satellites rings immense voyager discovered jupiter complicated atmospheric dynamics lightning aurorae satellites discovered major surprises jupiter rings active sulfurous volcanoes major effects jovian magnetosphere probes reached saturn discovered ringlets satellites including predicted shepherd satellites rings stable weather tame compared jupiter massive streams minimal variance year great white spot band cycle titan atmosphere smoggy mimas appearance startling massive impact crater gave death star appearance surprise stranger aspects rings braids kinks spokes unexpected difficult explain voyager heroic engineering programming efforts continued mission uranus neptune uranus highly monochromatic appearance oddity magnetic axis found highly skewed completely skewed rotational axis giving uranus peculiar magnetosphere channels found ariel miranda bizarre patchwork terrains satellites ring discovered contrast uranus neptune found active weather including numerous cloud features ring arcs turned bright patches ring rings satellites discovered neptune magnetic axis skewed triton canteloupe appearance geysers liquid voyagers expected decades target journeying negative evidence planets pluto major scientific discovery location heliopause soviet planetary missions soviet probes moon venus mars highlight primary missions soviet lunar probes luna lunar impact attempt missed moon craft solar orbit luna craft impact lunar surface luna images lunar farside zond images lunar farside luna test future mars missions luna probe soft land moon returned images surface luna probe orbit moon luna successful soviet lunar soft landing mission zond successful circumlunar craft zond accomplished similar missions probes unmanned tests manned orbiting soyuz type lunar vehicle luna probe land moon return samples lunar soil earth luna accomplished similar mission luna delivered unmanned lunar rover moon surface lunokhod similar feat accomplished luna lunokhod luna soviet lunar mission date returned soil samples soviet venus probes venera acknowledged attempt venus mission transmissions lost enroute venera attempt image venus flyby mission tandem venera probe ceased transmitting encounter february images returned venera attempt place lander capsule venusian surface transmissions ceased encounter entire probe craft impact planet venera probe successfully return data descending venusian atmosphere crushed pressure reaching surface venera mission profiles similar venera probe return data surface planet venera accomplished detailed mission venera image venusian surface probe orbit venus venera accomplished similar mission venera returned color images venusian surface venera accomplished similar mission venera accomplished radar mapping venera sections planet surface detailed vega accomplished vega balloon probes venusian atmosphere including landers flyby buses spacecraft study comet halley close march soviet mars probes mars acknowledged mars probe transmissions ceased enroute year zond attempt place lander capsule martian surface probe signals ceased enroute mars soviet mars probe land albeit crash martian surface orbiter section soviet probe circle planet mars successful soft landing martian surface lander signals ceased seconds mars attempt orbiting mars braking rockets failed fire probe solar orbit mars fully successful soviet mars mission orbiting mars returned images martian surface comparable probe mariner mars landing attempt lander crashed surface mars lander missed mars completely solar orbit flyby phobos attempt land probes surface mars largest moon phobos probe failed enroute human computer error phobos attempt land probes martian moon phobos probe enter mars orbit early signals ceased week scheduled phobos landing talk soviet jupiter saturn interstellar probes thirty years major steps projects intensive studies moon mars venus comets planned mercury mission orbit land probes tiny world planned soviet union commonwealth independent states affect future space program remains japanese planetary missions sakigake launched kagoshima space center isas january approached halley comet million march spacecraft carrying instru ments measure interplanetary magnetic field plasma waves solar wind work isas made earth swingby sakigake january orbit similar earth closest approach january geocentric distance planet swingby japanese spacecraft approach sakigake observed geotail geotail passages scheduled years earth swingby june earth radius october hiten small lunar probe launched earth orbit january spacecraft muses renamed hiten orbit probe looped earth made lunary flyby march dropped midget satellite hagoromo japan point nation orbit satellite moon joining unites states ussr smaller spacecraft hagoromo remained orbit moon apparently broken transistor radio caused japanese space scientists lose track hagoromo rocket motor fired schedule march spacecraft tracking transmitter failed immediately rocket firing hagoromo optically confirmed schmidt camera kiso observatory japan hiten made multiple lunar flybys approximately monthly intervals performed aerobraking experiments earth atmosphere hiten made close approach moon february height moon surface fired propulsion system minutes craft lunar orbit orbital calculation results approach apoapsis altitude periapsis altitude inclination ecliptic plane period days planetary mission references recommend reading works categorized groups general overviews specific books space missions periodical sources space probes list means complete primarily designed give places start research generally works subject pertinent works list greatly appreciated naturally recommend books listed started general overview books order give clear idea history space exploration area recommend pick good date general works astronomy system give extra background books periodicals found good public university library recently published works purchased ordered good mass market bookstore general overviews alphabetical order author kelly beatty solar system merton davies bruce murray view space photographic exploration planets kenneth gatland illustrated encyclopedia space technology kenneth gatland robot explorers greeley planetary landscapes douglas hart encyclopedia soviet spacecraft nicholas johnson handbook soviet lunar planetary exploration clayton koppes american space program history propulsion laboratory richard lewis illustrated encyclopedia universe mark littman planets discovering outer solar system eugene mallove gregory matloff starflight handbook pioneer guide interstellar travel frank miles nicholas booth race mars mars flight atlas bruce murray journey space oran nicks travelers nasa james oberg uncovering soviet disasters exploring limits glasnost carl sagan comet carl sagan cosmic connection carl sagan planets life science library arthur smith planetary exploration thirty years unmanned space probes andrew wilson jane solar system specific mission references charles cross patrick moore atlas mercury mariner mission venus mercury joel davis flyby interplanetary odyssey voyager newlan venus story mariner margaret poynter arthur lane voyager story space mission carl sagan murmurs earth deals earth information records voyager case probes found intelligences interstellar space probes planetary mission objectives works periodicals nasa published detailed technical books space probe mission launched good university libraries carry books easily found simply knowing mission read recommend works study books listed periodicals recommend reading space probes national geographic written articles pioneer probes earth moon luna jovian planets jupiter saturn ranger surveyor lunar orbiter apollo missions luna mariner missions mercury venus mars viking probes mars voyager missions jupiter saturn uranus neptune details american soviet european japanese probe missions found telescope astronomy science nature scientific american magazines time newsweek major newspapers supply general information missions show earth time events unfolding interest space missions affected numerous political economic climatic factors depending interest space probes join planetary society largest space groups world dedicated planetary exploration periodical planetary report details latest space probe missions write planetary society north catalina avenue pasadena california good luck studies area space exploration personally find planetary missions exciting areas field benefits human society receive incredible realized larry klaes klaes enet upcoming planetary probes missions schedules 
space orbital planetary launch services supersedes organization university north carolina chapel hill lines distribution world expires nntp posting host mahler keywords frequently asked questions archive space launchers modified date orbital planetary launch services data international reference guide space launch systems steven isakowitz edition notes polar paylaods orbit reliablity data includes launches reliabity familiy vehicles includes launches types longer built applicable prices millions subject change operational vehicle families included individual vehicles flown marked asterisk vehicle launch publication data marked asterisk vehicle payload reliability price launch site nation polar long ariane kourou atlas cape canaveral atlas vandeberg atlas atlas atlas atlas iias delta cape canaveral vandenberg delta delta energia baikonur russia energia series tangeshima japan kosmos plestek russia kosmos kapustin orbit inclination long march jiquan china xichang taiyuan pegasus taurus taur canaveral pegasus vandenberg taurus proton baikonour russia proton scout vandenberg wallops scout marco enhanced scout shavit palmachim israel shavit space shuttle kennedy space center shuttle shuttle asrm shar center india polar aslv pslv gslv titan cape canaveral vandenberg titan titan titan titan srmu vostok baikonur russia plesetsk vostok soyuz molniya highly eliptical orbit zenit baikonur russia zenit 
space astronomical mnemonics supersedes organization university north carolina chapel hill lines distribution world expires nntp posting host mahler keywords frequently asked questions archive space mnemonics modified date astronomical mnemonics section posted astro gathered flurries mnemonic postings astro spectral classification sequence fine kiss sweetheart classic dell astronomical fiasco kill surely obese balding astronomy found guilty killed reluctant nonscience students octopus brains favorite gastronomical kitchen menu requires sauce ball astronomers find generally kooky mnemonics nifty stuff ferocious gorilla kill roomate saturday flash godzilla kills mothra surprising grade kills afternoons fermented grapes richard nixon smiling backward astronomer forget geocentricity kepler motions reveal nature simplicity astronomy faculty killed monday oven baked ants fried gently moist retain natural succulence overseas broadcast flash godzilla kills mothra rodan named successor overweight boys munching bored astronomers find gratification knowing mnemonics bloody astronomy grades kill order planets mercury venus earth terra mars asteroids jupiter saturn uranus neptune pluto earnest mother served pizzas mother thoughtfully made jelly sandwich protest erotic mate joyfully satisfies unusual passionately easily make jugs serve nocturnal purposes early made serve noble purposes educated mother showed planets eager mother showed planets exhausted mother swept planetary nebula voters earn money showing polls educated mother served pizza pies viscious elephants made john suzy uncle protection solar mass easily makes jupiter satellites undergo numerous perturbations mein vater erklaert jeden sonntag unsere niedlichen planeten father explains sunday planets verachte einen menschen seinem unglueck punkt scorn despise person misfortune luck misery period colors spectrum orange yellow green blue indigo violet pronounce richard york gave battle vain read good book verse galilean satellite jupiter europa ganymede callisto expect cries green cheese embarrass good christians erschrecke guten christen scare good christians saturnian satellites thip miriam enchiladas taste divine recently proud mimas enceladus tethys dione rhea titan hyperion iapetus phoebe uranian satellites mauto mispronunciations afflict uranus angel uriel takes opium miranda ariel umbriel titania oberon note remaining sections astro cover material relevance space contacting nasa space agencies companies 
space addresses supersedes organization university north carolina chapel hill lines distribution world expires nntp posting host mahler keywords frequently asked questions archive space addresses modified date contacting nasa space agencies companies space activities center large government international bureaucracies means nasa basic information requests general info research grants data limited tours summer employment typically resumes ready contacting nearest nasa center answer questions email typically computers investigators people typical volume mail center multiple letters seek public information office nasa national aeronautics space administration civilian space agency united states federal government reports directly white house cabinet post military department defense employees civil servants citizens contractors work nasa nasa centers nasa headquarters nasa washington questions policy money things political nature direct specific questions center nasa ames research center moffett field aeronautical research atmosphere reentry mars venus planetary atmospheres lead center helicopter research stol runs pioneer series space probes nasa ames research center dryden flight research facility dfrf edwards aircraft tested shuttle orbiter landing characteristics developed nasa goddard space flight center gsfc greenbelt washington earth orbiting unmanned satellites sounding rockets developed landsat propulsion laboratory california institute technology grove pasadena heavies planetary research probes unmanned projects iras voyager magellan galileo cassini craf images probe navigation info unmanned exploration place contract nasa nearby california institute technology unlike nasa centers distinction subtle critical requirements unsolicited research proposals summer hires instance useless employees caltech employees contractors part similar responsibilities offer alternative funding nasa centers fact sheet description anonymous ames nasa space jpldescription nasa johnson manned space center houston manages space shuttle ground control manned missions astronaut training manned mission simulators nasa kennedy space flight center titusville space launch center nasa langley research center larc hampton newport news original nasa site specializes theoretical experimental flight dynamics viking long duration exposure facility nasa lewis research center lerc brookpark cleveland aircraft rocket propulsion space power generation materials research nasa marshall space flight center msfc huntsville development production delivery solid rocket boosters external tank orbiter main engines propulsion launchers michoud assembly facility orleans parish orleans shuttle external tanks produced michoud produced stages saturn stennis space center louis mississippi space shuttle main engines tested saturn stages center remote sensing technology transfer research wallops flight center wallops island aeronautical research sounding rockets scout launcher manager technology utilization office nasa scientific technical information facility post office baltimore maryland specific requests software cosmic univ georgia nasa contracted software redistribution service reach cosmic bitnet note foreign nationals requesting information embassies washington facilities government regarded degree economic sensitivity centers directly return information high center approval month clearance includes cosmic force space command contacted pentagon department defense offices unacknowledged offices angeles sunnyvale colorado springs locations budget rivals nasa size arianespace headquarters boulevard europe evry cedex france arianespace pennsylvania avenue suite washington european space agency enfant plaza washington national space development agency nasda hamamatsu chome minato tokyo japan soyuzkarta vologradsij moscow ussr space camp alabama space rocket center space camp tranquility base vectorspace blvd huntsville titusville registration mailing list handled huntsville camps brochure programs offered space camp space camp week youngsters completing grades space academy week grades aviation challenge week high school program grades space academy days college accredited grades adult program days editorial comment great teachers program days space commerce corporation agent soviet launch services pluto drive texas commerce tower colorado springs houston spacehab maryland avenue suite west washington spot image corporation preston white drive reston commercial space businesses vincent cate maintains list addresses info variety companies space related businesses mailed space investors list runs network resources anonymous furmint nectar space companies schedules space missions 
space upcoming planetary probes supersedes organization university north carolina chapel hill lines distribution world expires nntp posting host mahler keywords frequently asked questions archive space probes modified date upcoming planetary probes missions schedules information upcoming active missions mentioned sources nasa fact sheets cassini mission design team isas nasda launch schedules press kits asuka astro isas japan astronomy satellite launched earth orbit equipped large area wide wavelength angstrom telescope cameras imaging scintillation proportional counters cassini saturn orbiter titan atmosphere probe cassini joint nasa project designed accomplish exploration saturnian system cassini saturn orbiter huygens titan probe cassini scheduled launch aboard titan centaur october gravity assists venus earth jupiter vvejga trajectory spacecraft arrive saturn june arrival cassini spacecraft performs maneuvers achieve orbit saturn initial orbit huygens probe separates orbiter descends atmosphere titan orbiter relays probe data earth hours probe enters traverses cloudy atmosphere surface completion probe mission orbiter continues touring saturnian system half years titan synchronous orbit trajectories flybys titan targeted flybys iapetus dione enceladus objectives mission threefold conduct detailed studies saturn atmosphere rings magnetosphere conduct close studies saturn satellites characterize titan atmosphere surface intriguing aspects titan possibility surface covered part lakes liquid hydrocarbons result photochemical processes upper atmosphere hydrocarbons condense form global smog layer eventually rain surface cassini orbiter onboard radar peer titan clouds determine liquid surface experiments aboard orbiter entry probe investigate chemical processes produce unique atmosphere cassini mission named jean dominique cassini director paris observatory discovered saturn satellites major division rings titan atmospheric entry probe named dutch physicist christiaan huygens discovered titan true nature saturn rings scheduled dates cassini mission vvejga trajectory titan centaur launch venus gravity assist venus gravity assist earth gravity assist jupiter gravity assist saturn arrival titan probe release titan probe entry primary mission schedule updated galileo jupiter orbiter atmosphere probe transit returned resolved images asteroid gaspra transit jupiter efforts unfurl stuck high gain antenna essentially abandoned developed backup plan data compression jpeg images lossless compression data instruments mission achieve approximately original objectives galileo schedule launch space shuttle venus flyby venus data playback earth flyby high gain antenna unfurled asteroid belt passage asteroid gaspra flyby earth flyby asteroid belt passage asteroid flyby probe separation orbiter deflection maneuver orbital tour jovian moons jupiter encounter ganymede ganymede callisto europa ganymede europa europa jupiter magnetotail exploration hiten japanese isas lunar probe launched made multiple lunar flybys released hagoromo smaller satellite lunar orbit mission made japan nation orbit satellite moon magellan venus radar mapping mission mapped entire surface high resolution collecting global gravity mars observer mars orbiter including pixel resolution camera launched titan booster transit mars arriving operations start martian year days topex poseidon joint french earth observing satellite launched ariane booster primary objective topex poseidon project make precise accurate global observations level years substantially increasing understanding global ocean dynamics satellite increase understanding heat transported ocean ulysses european space agency probe study orbit poles launched late carries particles fields experiments magnetometer electron collectors energy ranges plasma wave radio receivers camera human built rocket hefty send ulysses ecliptic plane jupiter stole energy planet sliding jupiter north pole gravity assist manuver february bent path solar orbit tilted degrees ecliptic pass south pole summer aphelion surprisingly perihelion solar studies spacecraft earth jupiter neigborhood ulysses studied magnetic radiation environment short summary results science september gory technical detail articles issue space science missions note based posting baalke isas nasda information contributed yoshiro yamada yamada attempting track based updated shuttle manifests corrections updates missions alexis spring pegasus alexis array energy imaging sensors perform wide field survey soft energy spectrum scan entire months search variations soft emission sources white dwarfs cataclysmic variable stars flare stars search nearby space exotic objects isolated neutron stars gamma bursters alexis project alamos national laboratory primarily technology development mission astrophysical sources demonstrate technology contact project investigator jeffrey bloch lanl information wind delta rocket satellite measure solar wind input magnetosphere space radar gather radar images earth surface total ozone mapping spectrometer pegasus rocket study stratospheric ozone space flyer unit isas conducting space experiments observations recovered conducts scientific engineering experiments launched isas retrieved space shuttle polar auroral plasma physics delta rocket june measure solar wind ions gases surrounding earth nasda international microgravity laboratory adeos nasda advanced earth observing satellite muses space engineering satellite isas conducting research precise mechanism space structure space astronomical observations electromagnetic waves lunar isas elucidating crust structure thermal construction moon interior proposed missions advanced astronomy facility axaf launch shuttle axaf space observatory high resolution telescope orbit years study mysteries fate universe earth observing system launch orbiting space platforms provide long term data years earth systems science including planetary evolution mercury observer launch lunar observer launch long term lunar orbit observer miles moon poles survey characteristics provide global context results apollo program space infrared telescope facility launch shuttle element great observatories program free flying observatory lifetime years observe comets primitive bodies outer solar system study cosmic birth formation galaxies stars planets distant infrared emitting galaxies mars rover sample return mrsr robotics rover return samples mars atmosphere surface earch analysis launch dates imaging orbiter rover fire launch gravity assist flyby earth final gravity assist jupiter probe split fire components fire probe journey taking measurements star upper atmosphere vaporized intense heat probe head pluto reaching tiny world study controversial questions 
space calculations supersedes organization university north carolina chapel hill lines distribution world expires nntp posting host mahler keywords frequently asked questions archive space math modified date performing calculations interpreting data formats computing spacecraft orbits trajectories references frequently recommended fundamentals astrodynamics roger bate donald mueller jerry white dover press paperback isbn nasa spaceflight handbooks dating orbital flight handbook parts lunar flight handbook parts planetary flight handbook parts found university aeronautics libraries ordered govt printing office information needed order minovitch determination characteristics ballistic interplanetary trajectories influence multiple planetary attractions technical report propulsion laboratory pasadena calif title starts basics works good companion article minovitch utilizing large planetary perubations design deep space solar probe ecliptic trajectories technical report pasadena calif read realy understand include short summary find contact availability reports spacecraft attitude dynamics peter hughes john wiley sons celestial mechanics computational guide practitioner lawrence taff wiley interscience york starts basics body problem coordinates works orbit determinations perturbations differential corrections taff briefly discusses stellar dynamics including short discussion body problems computing planetary positions references flandern pullinen precision formulae planetary positions astrophysical supp series astronomy physics library willmann bell series compute positions accurate minute period years pluto included stated accuracy minutes multiyear interactive computer almanac mica produced naval observatory valid years order macintosh order ntis sales desk intended replace usno interactive computer ephemeris interactive computer ephemeris naval observatory distributed floppy disks willmann bell covers dates planetary programs tables bretagnon simon willmann bell floppy disks separately fundamentals celestial mechanics danby willmann bell good fundamental text includes basic programs companion floppy disks separately astronomical formulae calculators meeus willmann bell astronomical algorithms meeus willmann bell actively editions astronomical formulae calculators replace astronomical algorithms book oriented computers calculators formulae planetary motion based modern work propulsion laboratory naval observatory bureau longitudes previous books based formulae developed century algorithms separately diskette practical astronomy calculator duffett smith cambridge university press orbits amateurs microcomputer tattersfield stanley thornes includes programs basic orbits amateurs tattersfield john wiley sons astronomy scientific software catalog shareware public domain commercial software astronomy software includes planetarium simulations ephemeris generators astronomical databases solar system simulations satellite tracking programs celestial mechanics simulators andromeda software amherst computing crater diameters earth impacting asteroids astrogeologist gene shoemaker proposes formula based studies cratering caused nuclear tests crater diameter gravity correction factor bodies earth surface gravity target body scaling cited lunar craters hold true bodies correction factor target density alluvium jangle crater site average rock continental shields crater collapse factor craters diameter larger craters earth equivalent empirically determined jangle nuclear test crater delta projectile kinetic energy equivalent diameter velocity projectile density delta units delta fairly good asteroid velocity earth crossing asteroids assumptions body created barringer meteor crater arizona diameter meters diameter generally gehrels asteroid number objects impact probability impact energy diameter impacts year ergs assuming simple scaling laws note ergs tons equivalent energy released hiroshima bomb references gehrels asteroids comets physics today excellent general overview subject layman shoemaker asteroid comet bombardment earth earth planet long fairly technical comprehensive examination subject shoemaker williams helin wolfe earth crossing asteroids orbital classes collision rates earth origin asteroids gehrels university arizona press tucson cunningham introduction asteroids frontier richmond willman bell covers aspects asteroid studies excellent introduction subject people experience levels extensive reference list covering essentially reference material field projections spherical trignometry easy find sources projections encyclopaedia brittanica older volumes tutorial appearing graphics gems academic press written simplicity exposition suitability digital computation mind spherical trig formulae digitally plotted examples cared projections john snyder usgs publication projections working manual usgs professional paper detailed descriptions projections history features projection formulas spherical earth ellipsoidal earth numerical test cases neat book pages worth companion volume snyder philip voxland album projections usgs professional paper detail projections variants formulas back plots front pages order ways cheap slow direct usgs earth science information center geological survey national center reston maps quote price send money expect week turnaround time faster week timely discount topos drive suite broomfield call quote price send check usgs customer service counter pick service charge shipping accessible mapping article miller reddy mapping world pascal byte december turbo pascal procedures common projections demo program cartog small point coastline data compuserve genie bbss references spherical trignometry spherical astronomy smart cambridge press compendium spherical astronomy newcomb dover spherical astronomy green cambridge press update smart spherical astronomy woolard clemence academic press performing body simulations efficiently computer simulation particles hockney eastwood adam hilger bristol philadelphia rapid evaluation potential fields particle systems greengard press breakthrough simulation method parallelized greengard rokhlin fast algorithm particle simulations journal computational physics algorithm dimensional body simulations msee thesis feng zhao ailab technical report galactic dynamics binney tremaine princeton press princeton includes fortran code written aarseth pioneer field hierarchical tree methods papers appel efficient program body simulation siam journal scientific statistical computing barnes hierarchical force calculation algorithm nature hernquist hierarchical body methods computer physics communications interpreting fits image format examine fits images package comp graphics convert preferred format information format software read write astro fits unix ephemeris program edition unix operating system software systems distributed older media capacity limitations included ephmeris satellite track speech synthesis software ephmeris sites possessing unix source code license program regarded unix source code send proof source code license miya nasa ames research center moffett field eugene nasa dimensional star galaxy coordinates generate coordinates astronomical objects obtain astronomical database specifies ascension declination parallax objects convert parallax distance formula part convert declination coordinates unit sphere references planetary positions spherical trignometry earlier section details scale distance databases purpose yale bright star catalog sources listed section catalogue stars parsecs space stars data stars ames nasa references specific areas 
stro space frequently acronyms supersedes organization lifeforms unlimited cephalopods lines expires nntp posting host thai aktis keywords long space astro acronyms updated archive space acronyms edition acronym list astro space space shuttle edition posted list offered reference translating commonly appearing acronyms space related newsgroups forgot botched favorite acronym acronym list confuses drop line figure list note intended reference frequently acronyms emphatically encyclopedic incorporated acronym disk space list posted regular intervals days comments reachable bradfrd ucar note tells acronyms stand figuring note total number acronyms exceeds list special purpose acronyms essentially explained introduced omitted acronyms stand thing edition list acronyms multiple lines simply ways referring thing suggestions version list garrett wollman wollman maintaining independent list verbose character mine daniel fischer mpifr bonn maintaining huge list count acronyms terms german read fortunately special time hollis nasa copy nasa reference publication revised space transportation system payloads glossary acronyms abbreviations mammoth tome pages tlas special bonus posting find perl program written larry wall purpose scramble acronym list entertaining fashion larry astronomy astrophysics anglo australian observatory american astronomical society american astronautical society aavso american association variable star observers advanced composition explorer acrv assured crew return vehicle astronaut crew rescue vehicle adfrf ames dryden flight research facility dfrf nasa active galactic nucleus american geophysical union aiaa american institute aeronautics astronautics aips astronomical image processing system astronomical journal alexis array energy imaging sensors alpo association lunar planetary observers advanced launch system ansi american national standards institute abort shuttle abort plan aocs attitude orbit control system astrophysical journal attached pressurized module columbus auxiliary power unit ames research center nasa artemis advanced relay technology mission astronomical society atlantic agenzia spaziale italiano asrm advanced solid rocket motor atdrs advanced tracking data relay satellite atlas atmospheric laboratory applications science amateur telescope maker abort orbit shuttle abort plan astronomical unit aura association universities research astronomy aviation week space technology avleak axaf advanced astrophysics facility batse burst transient source experiment cgro bbxrt broad band telescope astro package eyed monster black hole bima berkeley illinois maryland array bnsc british national space centre communications tracking ccafs cape canaveral force station charge coupled device ccds centers commercial development space compact disk read memory center astrophysics chlorofluorocarbon columbus free flyer cfht canada france hawaii telescope cgro arthur holley compton gamma observatory chara center high angular resolution astronomy cirris cryogenic infrared radiance instrument shuttle circumstellar imaging telescope command module apollo spacecraft cmcc central mission control centre cnes centre national etude spatiales carbon nitrogen oxygen cnsr comet nucleus sample return cobe cosmic background explorer comptel compton telescope cgro costar corrective optics space telescope axial replacement craf comet rendezvous asteroid flyby crres combined release radiation effects satellite command service module apollo spacecraft cstc consolidated satellite test center usaf ctio cerro tololo interamerican observatory delta clipper experimental ddcu converter unit dfrf dryden flight research facility adfrf dmsp defense meteorological satellite program department defense department energy department transportation dscs defense satellite communications system deep space network defense support program usaf eafb edwards force base environmental control system extended duration orbiter egret energetic gamma experiment telescope cgro ejasa electronic journal astronomical society atlantic expendable launch vehicle extravehicular mobility unit earth observing system earth resources satellite european space agency european southern observatory shuttle external tank etla extended letter acronym eastern test range extreme ultraviolet euve extreme ultraviolet explorer extravehicular activity frequently asked questions fast fast auroral snapshot explorer fast fourier transform fine guidance sensors fhst fixed head star trackers infrared fits flexible image transport system faint object camera faint object spectrograph flight readiness review file transfer protocol flight telerobotic servicer fuse ultraviolet spectroscopic explorer fwhm full width half maximum information special green bank telescope gcvs general catalog variable stars giotto extended mission geosynchronous earth orbit great dark spot ghrs goddard high resolution spectrograph graphics interchange format glomr global orbiting message relay giant molecular cloud gmrt giant meter wave radio telescope greenwich time called geostationary orbiting environmental satellite gaseous oxygen general purpose computer global positioning system gamma observatory cgro gamma spectrometer mars observer great spot guide star catalog gsfc goddard space flight center nasa geostationary transfer orbit high altitude observatory henry draper catalog entry heao high energy astronomical observatory hera hermes robotic high frequency high gain antenna heavy lift capability heavy lift vehicle halley multicolor camera giotto hertzsprung russell diagram high resolution imager rosat high speed photometer hubble space telescope hopkins ultraviolet telescope astro package high voltage iapp international amateur professional photoelectric photometry international astronomical union iauc circular international cometary explorer international dark association interactive data language intergalactic medium international geophysical year imho humble opinion iota infrared optical telescope array iota international occultation timing association inertial pointing system infrared iraf image reduction analysis facility iras infrared astronomical satellite isas institute space astronautical science japan interstellar medium infrared space observatory international standards organization ispm international solar polar mission ulysses international space year international ultraviolet explorer inertial upper stage japanese experiment module journal geophysical research jila joint institute laboratory astrophysics propulsion laboratory johnson space center nasa kuiper airborne observatory kpno kitt peak national observatory kennedy space center nasa cretaceous tertiary boundary german lanl alamos national laboratory larc langley research center nasa ldef long duration exposure facility lunar excursion module apollo spacecraft earth orbit lerc lewis research center nasa large earth based solar telescope lfsa list frequently acronyms gain antenna green liquid hydrogen llnl lawrence livermore national laboratory lunar module apollo spacecraft large magellanic cloud liquid nitrogen liquid oxygen liquid rocket booster local standard rest lunar transient phenomenon manned base mission control center meco main engine cutoff monomethyl hydrazine multiple mirror telescope manned maneuvering unit mnras monthly notices royal astronomical society mars observer camera mars observer manned orbiting laboratory mola mars observer laser altimeter mars observer momv manned orbital maneuvering vehicle motv manned orbital transfer vehicle minor planets circular mrsr mars rover sample return mrsrm mars rover sample return mission msfc george marshall space flight center nasa tended capability naca national advisory committee aeronautics nasa nasa national aeronautics space administration nasda national space development agency japan nasm national space museum nasp national aerospace plane national bureau standards nist nasp derived vehicle nerva nuclear engine rocket vehicle application general catalog nicmos infrared camera multi object spectrometer upgrade nims infrared mapping spectrometer galileo infrared nist national institute standards technology nldp national launch development program noaa national oceanic atmospheric administration noao national optical astronomy observatories nrao national radio astronomy observatory national reconnaissance office neutron star national security agency national science foundation national solar observatory nssdc national space science data center nuclear thermal rocket technology telescope orbiting astronomical observatory ocst office commercial space transportation office management budget orbital maneuvering system orbiter processing facility orfeus orbiting retrievable extreme ultraviolet spectrometer orbital sciences corporation oscar orbiting satellite carrying amateur radio ossa office space science applications osse oriented scintillation spectrometer experiment cgro optical telescope assembly othb horizon backscatter orbital transfer vehicle orbital vehicle payload assist module payload assist module delta class principal investigator plss portable life support system pressurized module permanently manned capability pmirr pressure modulated infrared radiometer mars observer photomultiplier tube point spread function pulsar photovoltaic pioneer venus orbiter quasi stellar object rodent cage interface mission reaction control system enclosure module mission radio frequency radio frequency interference riacs research institute advanced computer science remote manipulator system rngc revised general catalog rosat roentgen satellite rous rodents unusual size exist real radioisotope thermoelectric generator rtls return launch site shuttle abort plan south atlantic anomaly saga solar array gain augmentation sampex solar anomalous magnetospheric particle explorer smithsonian astrophysical observatory search rescue synthetic aperture radar sara satellite pour astronomie radio amateur sarex search rescue exercise sarex shuttle amateur radio experiment space activity suit space adaptation syndrome synthetic aperture telescope spacecraft shuttle carrier aircraft schmidt cassegrain telescope strategic defense initiative sdio strategic defense initiative organization space exploration initiative sest swedish submillimeter telescope seti search extraterrestrial intelligence sudden ionospheric disturbance shuttle imaging radar sirtf space shuttle infrared telescope facility spacelab slar side airborne radar space launch complex space life sciences small magellanic cloud solar mesosphere explorer smex small explorers solar maximum mission supernova signal noise ratio supernova remnant solar neutrino units sofia stratospheric observatory infrared astronomy soho solar heliospheric observatory span space physics analysis network spdm special purpose dextrous manipulator spot systeme probatoire pour observation terre solar power satellite solid rocket booster solid rocket motor space station fred freedom solid state imager galileo space studies institut ssme space shuttle main engine sspf space station processing facility ssrms space station remote manipulator system spectroscopic survey telescope supersonic transport ssto single stage orbit stis space telescope imaging spectrometer replace ghrs shuttle transport system space transportation system stsci space telescope science institute swas submillimeter wave astronomy satellite shortwave fading transatlantic abort landing shuttle abort plan thousand astronomical unit mission thermal control system tdrs tracking data relay satellite tdrss tracking data relay satellite system thermal emission spectrometer mars observer tiros television infrared observation satellite letter acronym toms total ozone mapping spectrometer thermal protection system tethered satellite system uars upper atmosphere research satellite unpressurized berthing mechanism udmh unsymmetrical dimethyl hydrazine unidentified flying object uppsala general catalog ultra high frequency ultraviolet imaging telescope astro package ukst united kingdom schmidt telescope usaf united states force usmp united states microgravity payload universal time zulu time coordinated universal time ultraviolet ultraviolet spectrometer vehicle assembly building vertical assembly building vafb vandenberg force base veega venus earth earth gravity assist galileo flight path high frequency large array vlba long baseline array vlbi long baseline interferometry frequency large telescope vertical motion simulator voir venus orbiting imaging radar superseded vertical processing facility venus radar mapper called magellan white dwarf wfpc wide field planetary camera wfpcii replacement wfpc wiyn wisconsin indiana yale noao telescope wsmr white sands missile range western test range wuppe wisconsin ultraviolet photopolarimter experiment astro package multi mirror extreme ultraviolet young stellar object perl acronym scrambling program larry wall threshold srand acro split unshift foreach word word word foreach letter letter keys index prefix local substr prefix word rand word oldword word prefix word prefix prefix word elsif length prefix local prefix word rand word oldword word word word word word local substr oldword word rand word oldword word word mark bradford bradfrd ucar human bovine wind gathers moss 
fred prefab space station article organization toronto zoology lines article uiuc josh hopkins writes titan launches cheap granted titan bought governemnt titan cheapest pound space expendable launchers case ironic poorly commercial market single titan order problem commercial titan made attempt market basically happy government business learn sell commercially secondary problem multi satellite launches ariane complicates marketing task significantly problems launch facilities wrong time started properly memory serves mars observer launch heavy refurbishment work prevented launches year launches mars observer stranded intelsat brothers reached orbit properly work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
space research spin organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex article henry toronto henry spencer writes article digex writes thought area rule pioneered boeing nasa developed rule knew worked boeing built hardware nope decisive triumph area rule convair contractually committed mach fighter found incapable supersonic level flight turned area ruled specs flew late convair spent half figuring wrong half building work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry good thing stuck couple question marks recall built proposed wasp waisetd passenger civil transport thought funny passenger compartment hand save fuel thought area rules applied transonic speeds badly 
orbit data needed organization seasnet university california angeles lines osculating elements perigee orbit convert preferably distance earth evenly spaced time intervals coordinate system preferable convert systems pascal fortran code point book great lines file semi major axis eccentricity inclination ascending node argument pericentre true anomaly apocentre height pericentre height advance larry kepko lkepko ucla 
nuclear waste organization university rochester lines article ryukoku william reiken writes real reason accelerator breeders incinerators built reason natural uranium cheap geological disposal actinides technically reasonable november december page science technology japan seawater uranium recovery experiment ground uranium reserves estimated million tons anticipated demand supply balance collapse century japan resources poor country technological development economically collect uranium dissolved seawater total quanity uranium dissolved seawater estimated billion tons huge amount compared ground uranium reserves hate pour cold water seawater extracted uranium improved fiber absorbers japan times expensive uranium spot market uranium cheap mines closing compete places cigar lake canada rich present safety hazards mines work shielded vehicles plenty sources uranium phosphate processing line uranium reached demand supply balance collapse nonsense supply demand balance price uranium increase price factor century bloody nuclear reactors built sufficient rate uranium seawater interesting long term project project japanese justify grounds sufficiency paul dietz dietz rochester 
nasa incentives added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines questions issues congress raised discussed dennis replies black white white black called white money system study find justified call black white apparant white called black opposite occurs white color white called black calls question validity color spectrum nasa military competence differentating black white remember black white paint saturn rocket occur black white congress cares results money pork barrel jobs brought black white controversy dennis things black white terms tommy mcwilliams radius vision increases circumference mystery grows 
alaska pipeline space station organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex article mccall dseg fred mccall writes great build current spending rules permit workable work government guarantee minimum amount business order sufficiently reduce risk make attractive private firm generally allocate money year time government provide tenant guarantee fred reading government lots multi year contracts penalty cancellation clauses damn sign multi year contract reason cutting defense spending reagan administration signed multi year contracts cheaper finish years funding billion cover penalty clauses design 
sets organization lincoln laboratory distribution lines source orbital element sets space command compuserve sources reach 
vulcan ears organization world public access unix brookline lines victor bison victor laking writes info apparent sightings vulcan apparently sightings drastically times small planet inside mercury orbit info specific happened long star trek apparently reference ears long star trek einstein fact vulcan planet inside mercury hypothesized explain perturbation mercury orbit explained planets einstein theory relativity explained mercury motion analysis mercury motion shows planets inside orbit mike 
griffin office exploration organization case western reserve university lines distribution world nntp posting host yuggoth cwru comments absorbtion office exploration office space sciences reassignment griffin chief engineer position meaningless administrative shuffle bode opinion thing surface griffin interested things innovative approaches things faster cheaper unclear able position duties brian yamauchi case western reserve university yamauchi cwru department computer engineering science 
funding nasa article lines nntp posting host marcus political science paper funding nasa pork barrel politics interested information funding practices histories major programs apollo funding ssto contrast recommend sources sean gallagher gallas 
laska pipeline space station added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines date ralph buttigieg writes government tennant private commercial concerns build space station system charge rent government financed researchers wanting thought industrial space facility remember details space services wanted nasa sign anchor tenancy deal order secure venture capital nasa deal hear wrong disclaimer opinions stated solely change mind muniz munizb rwtms decnet rockwell space station freedom rocketdyne rockwell structural loads dynamics fifty years wilbur orville wright 
long island power added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines date edmund hack writes article digex writes thought fighter plants long island northrup plant long island northrup plant long island main airframe manufacturers fairchild republic closed doors cancellation grumman hanging time called sperry started area check cradle aviation museum mitchell field parking lots nassau coliseum community college good display vehicles long island including flight article disclaimer opinions stated solely change mind muniz munizb rwtms decnet rockwell space station freedom rocketdyne rockwell structural loads dynamics fifty years wilbur orville wright 
ignite ssme added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines date paul dietz writes essence holding match nozzle nuts thing absolutely engine guarantee propellants ignite milliseconds fill engine high explosive mixture finally ignite blows hell reports early test conducted rocketdyne santa susanna field hill fernando simi valleys result hung start structural failure combustion chamber inspection picture showed pumps vaporized class typical engineering understatement disclaimer opinions stated solely change mind muniz munizb rwtms decnet rockwell space station freedom rocketdyne rockwell structural loads dynamics fifty years wilbur orville wright 
vulcan ears organization california polytechnic state university luis obispo lines article victor bison victor laking writes victor bison victor laking subject vulcan ears date info apparent sightings vulcan apparently sightings drastically times small planet inside mercury orbit info specific heard story albert theory relativity warped space account mercury orbit fast simple newtonian physics success finding neptune explain movments uranus postulated planet explain mercury orbit bigger asteroid closer mercury spotted professionals confirm james green jgreen calpoly heaven place wicked cease troubling talk personal affairs good listen attention expound ambrose bierce devil dictionary 
comet temporary orbit jupiter article organization univ southwestern louisiana lines shag unverzagt writes article baalke nasa baalke writes circular comet shoemaker levy temporarily orbit jupiter comet apparently made close flyby jupiter resulting breakup comet attempts determine comet orbit complicated impossibility measuring comet center mass missing knowing comet center mass orbit determination shag sounds figure nucleus coma couple hundred miles imagine rest phil fraering find sorts stuff cacs ancient mayans televison repo 
blow space station easy article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska real wierd idea people blown ballons sprayed material drys makes hard walls thing space station docking rings baloon materials blow baloons spin problem micro gravity cure harden hole docking attaching ring bingo space station ballons foil covered someother radiation protective covering heat shield material make wals meet gasing specs atleast paint covering wall human safe special congrete material makes caplets instea water beer caplet mixture strong congret easier carry spelling errors missed school today grin musta space station difficult girders confined earth based ideas lets ideas space earth limited earth based ideas michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked crazy nome alaska break 
supernova added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines bout info alleged supernova break scope horse kelo dkelo pepperdine 
ussr reached moon organization california polytechnic state university luis obispo lines suppose soviets managed moon rocket working made beaten rocket blown setting back saturn boom beaten speculate head landings determined base earth orbit moon mars depend soviets setting lunar base stretched budgets nations military lunar base outweigh mars short concentrated moon james green jgreen calpoly nation commit achieving goal decade landing moon returning safely earth 
portable small ground station article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska article henry toronto henry spencer writes article nsmca alaska writes difficult ground station ground station extreme amateur radio satellites reachable hand held radios back yard listen galileo specific work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry specific basically able things dadies monitor control shuttle australia michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
space research spin organization univ southwestern louisiana lines shafer dfrf nasa mary shafer writes digex article nsmca alaska writes question give examples direct nasa space related research helped humanity general interesting tang mylar pushed tech composites airframes wire swept wings airliners reaped benefits early fighters germans work wwii winglets area ruling digital wire ride smoothing military microwave landing systems supercritical wings general aviation foils microwave landing systems wwii mary shafer kotfr nasa dryden flight research facility edwards shafer dfrf nasa speak nasa unknown fighter pilot egad disagreeing mary shafer phil fraering find sorts stuff cacs ancient mayans televison repo 
griffin office exploration organization univ southwestern louisiana lines yamauchi cwru brian yamauchi writes comments absorbtion office exploration office space sciences reassignment griffin chief engineer position meaningless administrative shuffle bode opinion thing surface griffin interested things innovative approaches things faster cheaper unclear able position duties heard offhand griffin longer office head hand regress fund griffin lies hardliners billion mars mission prove buying mission mars cost billion artemis million dollar lunar orbiter cetera killing griffin main program simply sycophants congress beleivin simply stuff sorta giving yeltsin communist hardliner sort reforms griffin bring forward trapped easily contained defunded ghetto griffin staying capacity good brings back belong money design studies phil fraering find sorts stuff cacs ancient mayans televison repo 
vehicle nears flight test article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska article henry toronto henry spencer writes article paul johnson writes interests automatic control purely autonomous degree ground control stick rudder onboard computer computer orders stored program overridden ground transition aerodynamic flight hover accomplished part tricky parts ideas talking mitch burnside clapp test pilots making orbit drogue chute nose light engines thing stabilizes base simple reliable heavy shock loads area structure carry major loads door part structure door operation mission critical switch pitch stability aerodynamically unstable subsonic speeds wait flip catch degrees light engines scary light engines thrust vectoring push tail preferred method long tricky fuel feed plumbing fuel start tops tanks slop bottoms flip keeping engines properly complicated build speed dive pull hard losing speed thing great headed vertical velocity drops point starts fall tail light engines scary altitude left work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry horizontal land martian landing thing missing overly obvious fall earth russian crafts parachute michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked enlighten ignorance easy correct make mistake messed 
laska pipeline space station commerical article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska sounds liek sign year lease parts space station built designed commerical company consortium companies alyeska small amount rent return incentives monopoly products commerical builders perks make easier taxes contracts regulatory concesions workable work china lease hong kong people hong kong make money work michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
terraforming venus cheaply organization university rochester lines send james oberg email address reading list wanted send comment terraforming book paul dietz dietz rochester potential explosive yield annual global production borax million megatons 
mach landing site bases article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska supersonic booms hear months belive fran heading east heard super speed mach aircraft military based direction flight handle mach aircraft landing decent question michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
nuclear waste organization private computer totowa lines article dseg mccall dseg fred mccall writes phil reprocess nuclear fuel reprocessing plant bomb grade plutonium cheaper current prices things simply fabricate fuel rods reprocess creating potentially dangerous materials national security point view fabricate back fuel rods fabricating reprocessed plutonium result kind boom decent bomb grade plutonium bomb grade plutonium research reactor power reactor bomb plutonium uranium kenneth reply njit elaborate simulation running device sitting table picard 
griffin office exploration article news organization university illinois urbana lines yamauchi cwru brian yamauchi writes comments absorbtion office exploration office space sciences reassignment griffin chief engineer position meaningless administrative shuffle bode things boding legitimate conjugation office exploration great ideas money heard good things griffin hard back duties group examining freedom based space station redesign proposals headed michael griffin nasa cheif engineer words space news josh hopkins uiuc tout homme capable imaginer autres hommes seront capable realiser jules verne 
vehicle nears flight test article news organization university illinois urbana lines nsmca alaska writes excellent discussion landing techniques henry deleted horizontal land horizontally takes vertically martian landing thing reasons vertical landings require miles runway limit noise pollution require wheels wings turn engines touch henry pointed vetical landings simple missing overly obvious blunt learning fall earth russian crafts parachute soyuz vehicles parachutes descent fire small rockets ground parachutes practical reuse effort landings comfortable words georgy grechko prefer bruises sink josh hopkins uiuc tout homme capable imaginer autres hommes seront capable realiser jules verne 
space food sticks keywords food article agate organization university california berkeley lines nntp posting host violet berkeley spacefood sticks morning breakfast grade chocolate strawberry peanut butter cylinders long diameter wrapped yellow space foil space foil time taste hard describe remember fondly candy modern power sort toffee injected vitamins chocolate power rough approximation taste strawberry sucked gavin helf berkeley political science berkeley stanford program soviet studies ghelf berkeley 
area rule space research spin article organization burdett buckeridge young melbourne australia lines reply higgins fnal message nntp posting host elaborate area ruling gather aerodynamics trans sonic planes summarised coke bottle good coke provide details derivation gregory bond burdett buckeridge young melbourne australia knox slick knox knox quick plays lots sick apologies john iron mackin 
comet temporary orbit jupiter nntp posting host pogo organization martin marietta astronautics denver lines baalke nasa baalke writes circular comet shoemaker levy temporarily orbit jupiter comet apparently made close flyby jupiter resulting breakup comet ooh thought galileo chance check comet 
idiot originator drickel nntp posting host bounce mentorg organization mentor graphics keywords lines article mcelwre uwec mcelwaine writes russia operative march russian president boris yeltsin proposed united states united nations global defense shield star wars type weapons funny disturbing forging posting unethical subject notorious mcelwaine followups space david rickel drickel mentorg 
magellan venus maps reply baalke nasa message lines organization swedish institute computer science kista peter nice maps advice wrote maps reduced colors understand jpeg pictures compressed files smaller original color data converting jpeg roland karlsson sics kista sweden internet roland telex sics sics 
redesign constellation summary decentralize automate functions keywords space station constellation article techbook organization techbooks public access unix lines redesign time step back functionality microgravity vacuum process research life sciences research adaptation space spacecraft maintenence nasa approach explified shuttle centralize functionality projects failed meet targets wide margin military commercial users payloads shuttle wasting effort payloads crumbled disorganization miscommunication billion spent projects reduction launch costs littel improvement commercial space industrialization military commercial users superior strategy space development constellation firstly functions broken constellations optimal orbit function navstar constellation hour orbits comsats clarke molniya orbits task distributed spacecraft constellation providing redundancy full coverage needed main functions require environments prime candidates constellization makings microgravity constellation comet long duration flights shuttle spacelab short duration flights strategy area inexpensive incremental improvement installation facilities shuttle linkup transition shuttle spacelab expensive ssto spacehab comet ssto comet expand research program advantage interesting space environments high radiation allen belt plasma gradients comet tails comet system easily retrofitted tasks station large affordably launch study life sciences microgravity lunar martian gravities radiation environments deep space protected shelter long term priority project astronauts practical space program costs orders magnitude astronauts severely restricts scope investigation sample size propose labratsat constellation tether bolo satellites test levels gravity super allen belt orbits representative radiation environment encountered earth moon earth mars earth asteroid trips miniaturized life support machinery operated real time earth interface orbital missions flown follow ldefs lunar martian surface testing actual environment cost billions spent astronauts largest market spacecraft servicing clarke orbit propose fleet small teleoperated robots small test satellites ground engineers practice skills place robots stuck solar arrays antennas attach solar battery power packs inject fuel fleet working spun commercial company work comsat companies develop comsat replaceable module standards applying successful constellation strategy failed centralized strategy radically improved capability program greatly cutting cost fraction pricetag satellites satellites study life adaptation large representative variety space environments microgravity vacuum research inexpensively needed special purpose orbits apply constellation strategy space exploration greatly cutting cost increasing functionality mars network artemis good examples ambitiously network native propellant plants mars fuel planet wide rover ballistic hopper prospecting sample return descendants labratsat technology mars surface ldef test closed ecology greenhouses mars cost nick szabo szabo 
quaint archaisms article news organization mentor graphics lines originator drickel nntp posting host bounce mentorg article nickh nick haines writes advantage shit constants hanging stupid things metric system problems david rickel drickel mentorg 
area rule added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines read refered parabolic cross section rule idea plot area fuselage cross section function point fore fuselage plot paraboloid minimizes somethin nother technical fred baube times intellectual ferment baube advantage intellect include fermented paris retrospective time 
fred prefab space station article organization evil geniuses tomorrow lines article uiuc josh hopkins writes titan cheapest launcher basis case ironic poorly commercial market single titan order problems biggest technical problem find satellites rough orbit luanch show interest commercial launches money made churning titan government find sucker customer thinks paying times commercial rate launch services good idea allen allen sherzer great leaves undone days flight 
alaska pipeline space station organization evil geniuses tomorrow lines article mccall dseg fred mccall writes government tennant great build current spending rules permit workable longer true years congress ammended laws provide needed note spacehab comet funded problems legal technical problem nasa culture allen allen sherzer great leaves undone days flight 
space food sticks article organization nasa space shuttle program office lines newsreader version john elson jelson uiuc wrote heard food product called space food sticks remember awful things crumbly recall grade teacher miss francisco crumbs floating clue today space program apollo technology forgotten jenks nasa space shuttle program office kjenks nasa planet earth foot moon july peace mankind 
metric english article mksol organization texas instruments lines kodak dave jones writes keith mancus mancus nasa wrote bruce dunn bruce dunn writes neatly separates concepts mass force weight horribly tangled system problem english units pound defined unit force period perfectly good unit called slug mass object weighing level american military english units real english types taught pound mass poundal force force pound accelerate rare olde tyme exams units metric american military learned slugs talked english units high school physics teacher navy fighter jock book produced military poundals flinking small made math funny sort reason proponents give insisting perfect safety people balls live real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall speak speak 
market failures article mksol distribution organization texas instruments lines writes fred coercive poser space program reply fred crossed border admit ideas support carried coercive power intolerant high horse tolerance fred replies tommy admit things market failures necessitate intervention capitalist forces correct guess understanding market failure classified phil economics level century medicine apparently completely market failure easily easily attributed government intervention failure addition strong moral argument propose strong utilitarian argument destruction wealth confiscastory taxation redistribution major scale made significant private capital investments harder make note make case claim easily made argument made current government policy creates larger market barriers place term government failure government change policies pleases market governed understood forces libertopican bilge moral arguments taxation bottom simplistic economic thinking justified cliche derision economics libertopian invariably tripe tommy libertopian dish clue salve wounded pride infallible fashion interested games leese fred simply attempt insulting belongs private mail games unimportatnt insults strange negative attatchment inflated idea importance insisting perfect safety people balls live real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall speak speak 
ussr reached moon nntp posting host extro organization sydney university computing service sydney australia lines jgreen calpoly james thomas green writes beaten speculate head landings determined base earth orbit moon mars depend soviets setting lunar base stretched budgets nations military lunar base outweigh mars short concentrated moon great speculation remember proud behalf free world years worked guess soviets victory fallen victim complacency overtook program stretching match efforts destabilized sooner fact tradition marvel comics destabilization brezhnev triggered world giant leap internet pete accept uucp uunet mcvax munnari extro pete reject 
nuclear waste organization texas instruments lines dietz rochester paul dietz writes article mccall dseg fred mccall writes system produce energy drive accelerator left high power quasi sharp proton beam required appears achievable linear accelerator biggest question mark lead target chemistry line processing elements incinerated paul frankly work typical trash process couple tons clean material able residual power sounds perpetual motion fred honest thing admit criticism scientific grounds invalid pretend talking engineering feasibility postings surprised pardon continue discussion tugging forelock dismay considered recover energy process energy curve sackcloth ashes pretending pleased surprised perpetual motion note perpetual motion sounded perpetual motion phrase sounds perpetual motion propposition elect criticize pardon precise language physics understood energy fission actinides subcritical assemblies folks talked spallation reactors pulsed spallation neutron sources today research tools accelerator design improving superconducting accelerating cavities helps feasibility alamos expertise high current accelerators lampf talking process close approaching technological economic feasibility mixed nature trash opposed costs separating things actinide dump tons pull clean material costs technological risks account class idea throwing waste physics understood reasonable approach sort burning rate opposed kind energy recover opposed cost build power energy recovery talking ounces pounds tons grams kilograms metric tons fans material talking days weeks months years days weeks months years fans hmm decimated time scale real reason accelerator breeders incinerators built reason natural uranium cheap geological disposal actinides technically reasonable insisting perfect safety people balls live real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall speak speak 
nuclear waste organization texas instruments lines matthew gatech matthew deluca writes article ryukoku william reiken writes pretty alot replys earth greedy companys give leaves high greedy companies blame companies supply demand created planet faults ignores things organics significantly expensive disappear things longer economically feasible irreplaceable resource consumables supply decreases prices rise alternatives competetive estimated years reserves pretty long cared petroleum current usage rate year reserve figure true tend hard prices comparatively cheap true crisis days insisting perfect safety people balls live real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall speak speak 
press lines nntp posting host organization trinity college dublin lines ifthe email press released tony ryan astronomy space international magazine astronomy ireland dublin ireland issues year pounds surface airmail access visa mastercard accepted give number expiration date address world largest astro capita ireland eire cost 
dutch symposium compacte objecten summary wordt uitgenodigd voor symposium compacte objecten keywords compacte objecten symposium organization physics department university utrecht netherlands lines sterrenkundig symposium compacte objecten april jaar zeven jaar oprichting universiteit utrecht benoemde universiteit haar eerste sterrenkundige waarnemer hiermee ontstond tweede universiteitssterrenwacht wereld aert jansz eerste waarnemer zijn opvolgers voerden utrechtse sterrenkunde daaropvolgende jaren decennia eeuwen naar voorhoede astronomisch onderzoek jaar jaar geleden deze historische benoeming plaatsvond huidige generatie utrechtse sterrenkundigen studenten sterrenkunde verenigd sterrekundig instituut utrecht vieren benoeming oervader middels breed scala feestelijke activiteiten voor scholieren planetenproject programmeert studium generale aantal voordrachten sterrenkundig thema wordt dies natalis astronoom eredoctoraat uitgereikt staat echter meer stapel studenten natuur sterrenkunde kunnen april sterrenkundesymposium deelnemen onderwerpen symposium zijn opgebouwd rond zwaartepunten huidige utrechtse onderzoek onderzoek zogeheten compacte objecten eindstadia evolutie sterren samenstelling programma getracht deelnemer aktueel breed mogelijk beeld geven stand zaken onderzoek deze eindstadia eerste inleidende lezing dagvoorzitter prof lamers beknopt overzicht geven evolutie zware sterren waarna zeven overige sprekers lezingen telkens half nader specifieke evolutionaire eindprodukten zullen ingaan afloop elke lezing gelegenheid stellen vragen dagprogramma staat afgedrukt niveau lezingen afgestemd tweedejaars studenten natuur sterrenkunde andere belangstellenden zijn harte welkom tijdens lezing prof kuijpers zullen alles goed gaat veertien radioteleskopen radiosterrenwacht westerbork worden ingezet directe verbinding tussen heelal westerbork utrecht zwakke radiosignaal snel roterende kosmische vuurtoren zogeheten pulsar symposiumzaal door geven audiovisualiseren prof kuijpers binnenkomende signalen elkaar snel opvolgende scherp gepiekte pulsen radiostraling bespreken trachten verklaren slagen unieke experiment staat valt technische haalbaarheid ervan vangen signalen zijn namelijk zwak waarnemingsperiode miljoen jaar genoeg energie opgevangen lamp watt seconde laten branden tijdens symposium niet lang gewacht hoeven worden hedendaagse technologie stelt staat live heelal beluisteren deelname symposium kost exclusief lunch inclusief lunch inschrijving geschiedt door verschuldigde bedrag maken amro rekening stichting gironummer amro bank utrecht inschrijving dient worden aangegeven inschrijving wordt symposiummap toegestuurd inschrijving maart vervalt mogelijkheid lunch reserveren symposium vindt plaats transitorium universiteit utrecht voor meer informatie symposium terecht henrik spoon sorbonnelaan utrecht mail henriks dagprogramma ontvangst koffie thee opening prof lamers utrecht dubbelster evolutie prof lamers radiopulsars prof kuijpers utrecht pulsars dubbelster systemen prof verbunt utrecht massa straal neutronensterren prof paradijs amsterdam theorie accretieschijven utrecht lunch zien accretieschijven werkelijk rutten amsterdam snelle fluktuaties accretie neutronensterren zwarte gaten klis amsterdam thee koffie zwarte gaten knippen plakken ruimte tijd prof icke leiden afsluiting borrel gert lochem fysische informatica blue universiteit utrecht shapes shapes hhgg 
cosmos lines nntp posting host organization trinity college dublin lines information cosmos rocket fragment purpose launch date location short tony ryan astronomy space international magazine astronomy ireland dublin ireland issues year pounds surface airmail access visa mastercard accepted give number expiration date address world largest astro capita ireland eire cost 
comet temporary orbit jupiter organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host kelvin nasa news software vnews article seale eric seale writes baalke nasa baalke writes circular comet shoemaker levy temporarily orbit jupiter comet apparently made close flyby jupiter resulting breakup comet ooh thought galileo chance check comet comet gehrels discovered determined temporary jovian orbit comet shoemaker levy remain orbit jupiter long galileo make closeup observations orbital trajectory comet shoemaker levy determined baalke baalke nasa propulsion telos cynical helps pasadena correct situation aggravation 
summer internships article skat psaifinnfc organization university southern california angeles lines nntp posting host skat folks place searching summer internship engineering graduating early aerospace engineering pursuing masters fall process applyi larger companies macdac martin marietta lockheed nyone mail advance mark smilor msmilor smilor 
space food sticks keywords food article news pscc innebg organization organization kidding lines nntp posting host aerospace aero article ghelf berkeley writes spacefood sticks morning breakfast grade chocolate strawberry peanut butter cylinders long diameter wrapped yellow space foil space foil time plain flavor looked kind extruded industrial product food perfectly smooth cylinders perfectly smooth ends kinda scary taste hard describe remember fondly candy modern power sort toffee injected vitamins chocolate power rough approximation taste strawberry sucked post microwaved tootsie roll captures texture pretty taste candy sweet make sense recall liking texture taste guess developed texture buds obligatory watching captain scarlet remember long topic space shag unverzagt shag aero tuesday soylent green unverzagt aero 
nuclear waste organization ryukoku univ seta japan lines article matthew gatech matthew deluca writes greedy companies blame companies supply demand created planet faults creation producing bacteria figure make make shit comments 
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space food sticks keywords food lines nntp posting host skndiv dseg reply pyron dseg organization dseg support article jelson uiuc john elson writes heard food product called space food sticks apparently created marketed time lunar expeditions tang dehydrated foods spoken people eaten dehydrated candy information greatly appreciated freeze dried tootsie roll actual taste sensation willingly experience amazing thing doubt flew missions things gastrointestinal tract compared space food sticks tang gastronomic contribution mankind dillon pyron opinions expressed dseg lewisville support sender stated home gave weather complain pyron dseg things padi tang flew developed contract 
pushing envelope organization texas instruments distribution lines lije princeton elijah millgram writes friend mine wondering expression pushing envelope aircraft flight constraints speed power graphed define flight envelope aircraft named graphed line encloses envelopes area graph represents conditions aircraft fall pushing envelope operating edge flight operational envelope note envelope precisely flies airplane regions point theoretical predictions things test pilots living push envelope find close correspondence paper airplane metal essence pushing back edges theoretical envelope airplane starts fail note calculated careful flight tests generally carefully coreographed pushed precisely planned occasional deviations plans early flight high speed taxi tests mary wanted process insisting perfect safety people balls live real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall speak speak 
comet temporary orbit jupiter organization uppsala university lines distribution world nntp posting host chiron astro comet helin roman crockett spent time temporary satellite jupiter years calculations tancredi lindgren rickman astron astrophys mats lindgren mats lindgren astronomical observatory laban uppsala phone sweden 
abyss breathing fluids nntp posting host sysk organization coventry university lines article callec dradja writes nervous posting beacause begining stray fron topic space stop alot people talk breathing high pressures began movie abyss remember movie characters dove great depths wearing suit fluid carries oxegen opposed sort heard mice breath fluid reason humans unable details gregson vaux reason lung diaphram tired pump liquid simply stops breathing minutes vehicle ready hold remember liquid times dense nature depending liquid comparision acurist 
ussr reached moon nntp posting host unseen acns organization northwestern university evanston illinois lines article jgreen calpoly james thomas green writes suppose soviets managed moon rocket working made beaten rocket blown setting back saturn boom apollo fire harsh saturn explosion hurtful soviets winning crushing technological turning point turning today super power reserved attitude soviet program today kennedy east program stalled badly goal moon dead nasa figure wrong beaten speculate head landings determined base earth orbit moon mars depend soviets setting lunar base stretched budgets nations military lunar base outweigh mars short concentrated moon speulate saturn program pushed cost runs evil nixon wins shuttle proposed skylab built program stalled fuel crisis string small launches mark seventies goal moon dead space program drifts till present james green jgreen calpoly nation commit achieving goal decade landing moon returning safely earth 
abyss breathing fluids article access psghn organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex article coventry achurist writes reason lung diaphram tired pump liquid simply stops breathing minutes vehicle ready hold remember liquid times dense nature depending liquid comparision sort mechanical chest compression sorta portable iron lung sort flex tubing aquanauts chest cyclically compress push chest wall support breathing trust breather space trust suit 
pushing envelope organization university central florida distribution lines lije princeton elijah millgram writes friend mine wondering expression pushing envelope everbody defining envelope world envelope chosen shell boundary analogy envelopes airships shell good push shell hard aircraft breaks thomas clarke institute simulation training university central research parkway suite orlando clarke 
cosmos eorsat article cpva organization science applications corp diego lines date information cosmos rocket fragment purpose launch date location short tony ryan astronomy space international magazine ocean reconnaissance launch surprises west space news april excerpts russia launched ocean reconnaissance satellite months march confounding western analysts proclaimed program dead itar tass news agency announced launch cosmos plesetsk cosmodrome provided description payload mission based satellite trajectory western observers identified military spacecraft designed monitor electronic emissions foreign naval ships order track movement geoff perry kettering group england western observers concluded launched days satellite entered earth atmosphere cosmos launched cosmos satellite launched defense ministry moscow itar tass world service russian march translated fbis itar tass correspondent veronika romanenkova moscow march cosmos satellite launched moscow time today baykonur tsiklon carrier rocket itar tass correspondent told press center russia space military forces satellite launched interests russian defense ministry parameters moscow itar tass world service russian march translated fbis moscow march artificial earth satellite cosmos launched march baykonur cosmodrome satellite carries scientific apparatus continuing space research satellite orbit parameters initial period revolution minutes apogee perigee orbital inclination degrees scientific apparatus satellite carries radio system precise measurement orbital elements radiotelemetry system transmitting earth data work instruments scientific apparatus apparatus aboard satellite working 
erospace companies cooperate reusable vehicle market article distribution world lines nntp posting host washington land martin mariatta boeing mcdonell douglas general dynamics lockheed rockwell forming consortium study market price pints building reusable launch vehicles spending million recognizing military requirements launch vehicles pulled shuttle crossrange capability idea figure taking data forming sematech type company develop craft designs designs figure technologies demonstrate technologies order eliminate designs built today lets portion funded cost million companies separate ways intention taking market data design data wall street build vehicle numbers show fund joke good authority project shaping background aerospace companies learned yelling similar things ends programs canceled nasp work japaneese european spirit initial cooperation learned design requirements phony generals idea space vehicle ends chopped congress real requirement feedback john 
ssto senatorial aide breifing recollections article distribution world lines nntp posting host washington thoughts meeting hugh kelso lilly aide patty murrays discuss ssto commercial space receiving packet presentation benifits ssto called schedule meeting local senator patty murray washington state started hour heard gasp phone quickly backed hour conversation learned standard appointment minutes standard bozo treatment called back aide scheduled meeting order determine bozos familiarize material screen make senators time material allocated hour murrays aide ended talking minutes ending meeting listening covered ground tiny specific single stage reusable vehicle primer woman copius quantities notes topic brought murray wanted entrench corporate aligned speaking boeing local citizens interentested space spent time covering benifits lower cost access solar power satellites focus feasible lower cost access environmental stand tourism angle left copy patric collins tourism paper side notes space sees atmosphere environmentalist smog benifits studying bone decalcification pronounced space potential lead understanding cure osteoporosis education kids enthused space older find havent hell fields cost orbit chances someday provide greater incentive harder classes needed nasa operational launch vehicle business angle lower cost satellite launches navigation personal communicators tellecommunications services jobs provided sectors jobs provided building thing balance trade improvement mentioned skypix benifit lower launch costs left paper technologies needed invested order make easier asked questions point ended telling wanted aware efforts proceeding area make results efforts lost condor majellan importantly asked fund efforts lines lowering cost middle gave speal lunar resource data purchase filed separately interested asked questions wanted jump contact people involved happen immediatly things make knew knew people space arena town feel free call time questions answers questions people answers finally asked appointment senator list knowing interested time problem scheduled state week days felt pretty good john 
space research spin shafer dfrf nasa mary shafer organization nasa dryden edwards reply cacs message lines cacs phil fraering phil shafer dfrf nasa mary shafer writes digex article nsmca alaska writes question give examples direct nasa space related research helped humanity general interesting tang mylar pushed tech composites airframes wire swept wings airliners reaped benefits phil early fighters phil germans work wwii naca world nasa directly descended naca space added notice mention sweep wings tested dryden steal dirctly germans difference swept wings change angle sweep sweep wings similarity names caused confusion swept wings sweep wings winglets area ruling digital wire ride smoothing phil military nasa aerodynamicists proposed nasa test teams demonstrated richard whitcomb jones langley research center giants field dryden involved flight testing winglets area ruling true military aircraft testbeds availability military involvement completely bailed force interested results supportive efforts dryden flew digital wire aircraft mechnaical analog backup show confident general dynamics decided make flyby wire successful mind avro arrow wire aircraft earlier analog phil egad disagreeing mary shafer nasa habit acquiring hand military aircraft testbeds make things kind confusing hand hand navy planes give test pilots chance fold wings pilots edwards force base mary shafer kotfr nasa dryden flight research facility edwards shafer dfrf nasa speak nasa unknown fighter pilot 
space food sticks organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host paix stratus keywords food article ghelf berkeley writes taste hard describe remember fondly candy modern power sort toffee injected vitamins chocolate power rough approximation taste strawberry sucked peanut butter favorite bite strawberry recently joined nutri system chewy fudge reminicent chocolate space food thing find close taste takes back taste buds happy intestines knots mark adam stratus opinions stratus hell agree logic wreath pretty flowers smell 
comet temporary orbit jupiter organization express access online communications lines distribution world nntp posting host access digex article baalke nasa baalke writes comet gehrels discovered determined temporary jovian orbit comet shoemaker levy remain orbit jupiter long galileo make closeup observations orbital trajectory comet shoemaker levy determined positional uncertainties assume galileo meters pretty good ideas imaging working slew real time speed light delay imaging toutatis lucky guess find images imagine visual image affect imaging missions real tight allocation bandwidth premature hope answers thought throw floor 
plutonium based nuclear power plants organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex todays york times wrote pact negotiated russians develope high temperature cooled fission reactors cycled weapons grade plutonium warhead stockpiles fuel pelletized ceramic safety depletion sufficiently contaminated products make extraction remaining plutonium hazardous deter apparently project general atomics diego funding government pilot plant built operated russians 
vulcan ears distribution organization space telescope science institute lines article victor bison victor laking writes info apparent sightings vulcan apparently sightings drastically times small planet inside mercury orbit info sightings apparently spurious planet inside orbit mercury idea vulcan differences mercury observed perihelion precession newtonian physics leverrier made extensive observations calculations century simon newcombe improved observations calculated leverrier system equations leverrier discoverers neptune predicted existence based anomalies orbit uranus inclination sort thing afoot mercury alas twere mercury perihelion precesses rate space resides significantly curved mass explanation wait albert einstein synthesis earlier theory electrodynamics moving bodies commonly called special relativity reimanian geometry result general theory relativity noteworthy strengths accounts precession mercury perihelion newcomb numbers leverrier believes einstein fine subsequent efforts find planets closer mercury radar fruitless bill gawne forgive barbarian thinks customs tribe laws universe caesar opinions post constitutes official statement person organization 
nuclear waste organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex article mccall dseg fred mccall writes dietz rochester paul dietz writes paul frankly work typical trash process couple tons clean material able residual power sounds perpetual motion process close approaching technological economic feasibility mixed nature trash opposed costs separating things actinide dump tons pull clean material costs technological risks account class idea throwing waste physics understood reasonable approach shelf technology part design goals fred bitter defense power basic technology support minor research program particle physics ipns prove technology real reason accelerator breeders incinerators built reason natural uranium cheap geological disposal actinides technically reasonable political gridlock entire nuclear technical agenda political opponenents fast breeder technologies wipp fought death courts make nuclear incinerator deaf smith county nevada accept nimby rules nuclear power concerns medical community able overrule nuclear technology opposition 
space research spin organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex article shafer dfrf nasa mary shafer writes dryden flew digital wire aircraft mechnaical analog backup show confident confident crazed desert successful mind avro arrow wire aircraft earlier analog thought cable controlled total electrical failure flight machanical backup systems nasa habit acquiring hand military aircraft testbeds make things kind confusing hand hand navy planes give test pilots chance fold wings pilots edwards force base overstress wings fail joints enlighten hinterlands 
space food sticks organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex keywords food dillon comments space food sticks digestive properties nasa food products designed fiber residue products minimize difficulties waste disposal doubt deploy caused sale distress plastic baggies world case disease 
area rule organization express access online communications lines distribution nntp posting host access digex mary henry describe aptly understand speed supersonic wind behaves fluid pipe incompressible wind bend wing edges wing thickens pipes bend place begin stall force compression stealing power vehicle high drag squeeze fuselage pipes aplace bend drag reduced essentially cross sectional area aircraft shoulf remain constant areas fuselage wings subtract cross sectional area wings fuselage 
vehicle nears flight test organization texas instruments lines nsmca alaska writes horizontal land martian landing thing missing overly obvious missed takes vertically intended land insisting perfect safety people balls live real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall speak speak 
alaska pipeline space station organization texas instruments lines digex writes article mccall dseg fred mccall writes great build current spending rules permit workable work government guarantee minimum amount business order sufficiently reduce risk make attractive private firm generally allocate money year time government provide tenant guarantee fred reading government lots multi year contracts penalty cancellation clauses damn sign multi year contract reason cutting defense spending reagan administration signed multi year contracts cheaper finish reading work government contractor rules sign damned washington week funding multi year contracts include sufficient cancellation penalties decide multi year contract happen arbitrarily time matter previous plans make risk acceptable putting private space station government expected prime occupant source statement reason cutting defense spending thing find funny posting people answered question pretty mine comment incorrectly tommy move insisting perfect safety people balls live real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall speak speak 
comet temporary orbit jupiter organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host kelvin nasa news software vnews article digex writes article baalke nasa baalke writes comet gehrels discovered determined temporary jovian orbit comet shoemaker levy remain orbit jupiter long galileo make closeup observations orbital trajectory comet shoemaker levy determined positional uncertainties comet shoemaker levy jovian orbit comet hanging galileo arrives added list targets years earth based observations narrow positions pieces comet gaspra imaging toutatis galileo image toutatis earth based radar baalke baalke nasa propulsion telos cynical helps pasadena correct situation aggravation 
nuclear waste organization dorsai grey captains lines nntp posting host gatech article ryukoku william reiken writes creation producing bacteria figure make make shit comments hydrogen electric economy cleaner efficient long laws supply demand transition underway reach critical stage shortage matthew deluca georgia institute technology atlanta georgia uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism matthew internet matthew gatech 
gibbons outlines redesign guidance news software vnews nntp posting host lerc nasa organization nasa lewis research center cleveland ohio lines nasa headquarters distributed press release today typed verbatim folks chew topics recently discussed space covered gibbons outlines space station redesign guidance john gibbons director office science technology policy outlined members designate advisory committee redesign space station april budget options guidance committee deliberations redesign space station option billion range option billion high option billion considered committee option cover total expenditures space station fiscal year include funds development operations utilization shuttle integration facilities research operations support transition cost include adequate program reserves insure program implementation funds years billion reserved nasa budget president technology investment result station options billion accompanied offsetting reductions rest nasa budget space station option billion require billion offsets nasa budget years gibbons presented information organizational session advisory committee generally members designate focused administrative topics session acquainted received legal ethics briefing orientation process station redesign team develop options advisory committee gibbons announced united states international partners europeans japanese canadians decided consultation give full consideration russian assets space station redesign process russians asked participate redesign effort needed consulting basis redesign team make expertise assessing capabilities russian capabilities systems international partners hope benefit expertise russian participants assessing russian systems technology goal redesign effort develop options reducing station costs preserving research exploration capabilities careful integration russian assets factor achieving goal gibbons reiterated president clinton committed redesigned space station making effort preserve science technology jobs space station program represents committed space station managed consume national resources invest future industry nation nasa administrator daniel goldin russian participation accomplished east west space science center university maryland leadership roald sagdeev 
space research spin reply digex message organization nasa dryden edwards lines digex article shafer dfrf nasa mary shafer writes successful mind avro arrow wire aircraft earlier analog thought cable controlled total electrical failure flight machanical backup systems reaction controlled aircraft wire part aerodynamic control surfaces elevator rudder conventionally controlled pushrods cables jets wire nasa habit acquiring hand military aircraft testbeds make things kind confusing hand hand navy planes give test pilots chance fold wings pilots edwards force base overstress wings fail joints navy aircraft folding sweeping wings order save space hangar deck wings sweep rest fold wingtips joint force planes folding wings force lots room mary shafer kotfr nasa dryden flight research facility edwards shafer dfrf nasa speak nasa unknown fighter pilot 
mars observer update organization express access online communications greenbelt lines distribution world nntp posting host access digex keywords mars observer article digex writes kicker stupid drop mission magellan million year mission ongoing science justify money accused spending neccessary validity nasa money things porcine attended colloquium goddard fall head operations section nasa talking future missions funded remember title hand discarded colloquia announcement case asked matter spend million instruments place responce lead time instrument cobe magellan hubble years minumum spent spent current instruments current budget enviroment future projects short science wonderful popular starting years retired greatest villans space community funding early stages generation instruments benefited predicessor funding choices owed sucessor eventually developing missions expense cutting instruments drop science wrung covert beach dragon digex 
economics added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines ecomomists world laid punchline point directions punchline reach conclusion punchline good idea leave tommy mcwilliams radius vision increases circumference mystery grows 
washington post article redesign news software vnews nntp posting host lerc nasa organization nasa lewis research center cleveland ohio lines space station redesign leader cost goal impossible today washington post article headline shown article starts leader nasa team charge redesigning planned space station yesterday tough impossible connor quoted costs provide meaningful research real question connor fair game including dropping curtailing existing contracts aerospace industry chopping management space station program nasa facilities country working closely russian space station unmanned titan rockets supplement manned space shuttle fleet connor team reviewed design options sorting candidates categories based cost post connor design derived current high cost option kathy sawyer post writer confused listened part connor briefing press monday part briefing connor talked white house options sorted cost medium high part briefing discussed teams formed options derivative larc modular buildup msfc single launch core wingless orbiter response reporters question thought heard connor option based redesign moderate cost option high cost options high cost option sawyer wrote article describe options features modules gradually fitted orbit similar russian core facility deposited orbit single launch skylab option existing hardware space shuttle fuselage basic structure sentence article contradicts title paragraph sentence reads connor streamlined version planned space station freedom administration budget guidelines 
blue ribbon panel members named news software vnews nntp posting host lerc nasa organization nasa lewis research center cleveland ohio lines press release distributed april nasa headquarters space station redesign advisory members named charles vest recently named vice president albert gore head advisory committee redesign space station nasa announced names representatives government industry academic experts country participate independent review redesign options developed nasa extremely honored selected lead important review panel america future science technology world leader space demands utmost attention care vest assembled diverse panel experts bring measures insight integrity objectivity critical task advisory committee charged independently assessing redesign options space station presented nasa redesign team proposing recommendations improve efficiency effectiveness space station program space station international partners asked participate named date advisory committee submit recommendations june advisory committee members named today include charles vest bobby alford president executive dean medicine baylor college medicine chabrow paul president associates director texas center superconductivity university houston crawley john fabian prof aero astro president anser james fain edward fort deputy chief staff chancellor requirements headquarters north carolina usaf materials command state university mary good frederick hauck senior technology president international technical allied signal underwriters lanzerotti william lilly chair space sciences national academy public board national research administration council duane mcruer brad parkinson president systems technology prof astro aero stanford university robert seamans silver nasa deputy admin keck foundation professor resource geology california institute technology albert wheelon retired hughes aircraft 
faqs organization pittsburgh lines wondering files posted quarterly monthly days bloated feeling freed fidonet node uucp pitt freed internet freed 
faqs article mojo uinn reply sysmgr organization computer aided design maryland college park lines nntp posting host queen article freed freed writes wondering files posted quarterly monthly days bloated feeling stick space news days software engineering military intelligence sysmgr 
nuclear waste organization university rochester article ryukoku william reiken writes creation producing bacteria figure make make shit comments exist photosynthetic varieties economical time paul dietz dietz rochester 
call space clueless szaboisms organization statistics pure applied mathematics university adelaide lines article digex writes japanese nukes technology opposed pwrs considered generation inherently safe designs japanese learning curve nuclear power means unlike germans great things japanese foreign companies major mitsubishi sharing agreement chance design sodium lots chemical problems solves design difficulties inherently safe types sodium lots chemical problems eats stainless steel slowly call desired property design difficulties sodium bitch chemical properties flwed means loops design problem isolation water design problems comparison dream rides work real good lots steel highly complex systems simplicity virtue liquid sodium breeder steel complexity joseph askew joseph askew gauche proud autumn stillness pleiades jaskew maths adelaide remote thorny deserts fell grief disclaimer care north tents somwhere brenda pale river murmurs 
call space clueless szaboisms keywords trumpet calls infrastructure public perception organization statistics pure applied mathematics university adelaide lines article digex writes article mccall dseg fred mccall writes feasible japan stockpile amount industries nuclear power export export mexico export mark similar developed countries australia exports larger share united states hand factor immediately obvious thought disrupt lanes hose export routes import routes count exports live imports longer months import critical commodity true unstable source worry joseph askew joseph askew gauche proud autumn stillness pleiades jaskew maths adelaide remote thorny deserts fell grief disclaimer care north tents somwhere brenda pale river murmurs 
small astronaut budget astronaut organization statistics pure applied mathematics university adelaide lines article digex writes problem sending corp small astronauts start galactic empire napoleon complex genghis khan julius caesar broke lose money julius tall roman record favouring small soldiers thought tougher guts napoleon remember french avergae feet height relative complex obspace burning candle high school relights large body space atmosphere heat surroundings diffusion joseph askew joseph askew gauche proud autumn stillness pleiades jaskew maths adelaide remote thorny deserts fell grief disclaimer care north tents somwhere brenda pale river murmurs 
nasa wraps news software vnews nntp posting host lerc nasa organization nasa lewis research center cleveland ohio lines april edition small step space activist allen sherzer kyger write problem called wraps center work large program freedom shuttle performed nasa center center skims portion amounts slush fund money fund work center manager fund estimated funds allocated billion cost freedom fully billion spent space stations billion wisely spent wasn work stand merits distorting cost projects congress idea existense wraps congress heard term center station price paying note blissfully unaware money dear friends mixing fact fiction couple weeks read posting talked cost experts space station headquarters wondering post response immediately real supposed headquarters digging data sherzer kyger claims rates pretty totem pole priority spent weekend kansas city national science teachers association conference extolling virtues science teachers concept center wrap exist recall numbers correctly total program fiscal year million computed adding center taxes budget fiscal year billion calculater percentage life program figure billion cost rate million alot billion concede appreciable amount pocket change note estimate rate close actual rate charged funds spent center kind mcdonalds states sales food restaurant vast bulk funds receive rocketdyne contract subject center numbers front guess funds rocketdyne rate applied funds spent center prime contracts leads obvious question government funds prime contractors slice billion portion slice rocketdyne balance funds eaten center call funds spend house supporting development funds supporting development work rocketdyne funds setup testbed checkout electrical power system architecture testbed real life solar array field left solar cell research research years back lead acid batteries simulate nickel hydrogen batteries switchgear converter units simulated loads data testbed recent change evaluation involving concerns stability power system supporting development money purchase nickel hydrogen batteries life testing lewis crane naval facility indiana side point battery cells test recently year life test milestone cells completed cycles orbit batteries cycles year final home division lewis supporting development funds purchase personal computers work stations performing system analyses modeling performance electrical power system availability calculations monte carlo simulation setting database information weight power system elements finally money raised slush fund lewis director control small discretionary fund year individual lewis submit proposal director money fund pretty lewis charter fund general services center library central computer services division contractor removes snow difficult determine percentage budget activities accurate figure annual expenditure library divide amount library funds support hard compute figure percentage bill aviation week year billable base person hours employees spend reading week versus rest center personnel compare estimate portion library expense portion support library overpays library underpay snow removal talk burecratic nightmare point claim congress heard term center nasa testimony congress computer simple word search someplace prove wrong surely audit nasa cost methods documented congress 
rollout report added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines mcdonnell douglas rolls huntington beach calif picture perfect southern california mcdonnell douglas rolled rocket ship saturday company hopes single stage rocket technology demonstrator step single stage orbit ssto rocket ship white conical vehicle scheduled white sands missile range mexico week flight tests start june cloud noonday forecast ssto research remains cloudy organization paid million afford fund full development follow vehicle hundreds millions required orbital sdio passing sister government agencies sdio originally funded ssto research costs orbital deployments space based sensors weapns recent political marching orders budget cuts made ssto priority today agency interested step cost reusable sounding rocket sdio briefings government agencies simon pete worden sdio deputy technology worden declined agencies pony program make colonel telling contractors money spend quipped press conference mcdonnell douglas astronautics headquarters sdio lowered sights program orbital objective agency officials hail faster cheaper approach hardware development agency believes philosophy produce breakthroughs leapfrog ahead evolutionary technology developments worden illustrates build test approach produce results time budget program concept hardware months showed today engineers move miracles parents time management worden sdio light hand project overworked major jess sponable phase involve agencies worden lean management sense government industry partnership crucial essential large management structure price exponentially sdio approach praise california members house science space technology committee direction george brown committee democratic chairman programs stretch aout years sustainable nasa learned sdio dana rohrbacher brown republican colleague joking shrimp fish designed nasa design team rohrbacher doubted program completed left civil space agency rohrbacher orange county district includes mcdonnell douglas criticized nasa force work conventional multi staged rockets placing casings missile technology build fancy ammunition capsules build spaceship rohrbacher praised sdio sponsorship private sector lead developing ssto technology mcdonnell douglas faces uncertain prospects transport space station freedom programs cautious large private secotro commitment large ventures companies seed money charles ordahl mcdonnell douglas senior vice president space systems strong government investments government industry continue differ funding agree continuing incremental approach development citing corporate history liken process douglas aircraft aircraft earlier aircraft paved transport gradual evolution single stage rocketry eventually lead orbital delta clipper flight tests summer white sands expand envelope performance successive tests increasing speed altitude tests reach feet demonstrate hovering verticle landing series send unmanned feet final series craft feet maneuvers complex phase final tests include pitch manever rotates vehicle back bottom configuration soft legged landing flight test series supervised charles pete conrad performed similar maneuvers apollo moon landing mcdonnell douglas vice president conrad paised vehicles aircraft approach operations features include automated check access panels easy maintainance program moves stage engine technology consideration engine thrust pratt whitney engines motor liquid hydrogen liquid oxygen propellants generate pounds thrust based engine centaur upper stages model thrust champer designed level operation throttling capability designed repeat firings rapid turnaround worden future single stage rockets employ propellant engine technology developed soviet union resulting engines burn dense hydrocarbon fuel takeoff switch liquid hydrogen higher altitudes mechanism teaming place pratt technology agreement energomash design bureau responsible propellant energia cryogenic engines 
space research spin lines nntp posting host skndiv dseg reply pyron dseg organization dseg support article digex writes nasa habit acquiring hand military aircraft testbeds make things kind confusing hand hand navy planes give test pilots chance fold wings pilots edwards force base overstress wings fail joints enlighten hinterlands fold dotted line pictures carriers loads deck wings neatly folded dillon pyron opinions expressed dseg lewisville support sender stated home gave weather complain pyron dseg things padi 
nuclear waste organization texas instruments lines digex writes issue burning nuclear wastes particle beams shelf technology part design goals fred bitter defense power basic technology support minor research program newsfeed articles corrections defended power reasonable opposed research project feasibility spalling reactor approach cleaning nuclear waste simply doubt made work real world clear fairly quickly research program feasibility sort happened power proved side expensive overcome figure things wrong single sentence high fault density insisting perfect safety people balls live real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall speak speak 
pushing envelope article rave psogpinnksq reply egalon nasa claudio oliveira egalon distribution world organization nasa langley research center hampton lines nntp posting host tahiti larc nasa flight tests generally carefully coreographed pushed precisely planned occasional deviations plans early flight high speed taxi tests chuck yeager earlier flights egalon nasa 
commercial point view organization fidonet gate admin fido lines original szabo szabo szabo wrote szabo nick szabo kralizec longer term markets terrestrial illumination orbiting mirrors world enviroment disaster monitering system japanese developed plan called wedos public good space tourism energy relay satellites ralph golded origin vulcan world sydney australia 
blow space station easy organization stanford telecom reston lines article nsmca alaska writes real wierd idea musta space station difficult girders confined earth based ideas lets ideas space earth limited earth based ideas choose answer politics traditions congress beauracrats 
white house outlines options station russian cooperation added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines blind carbon copy spacenews rand rand subject white house outlines options station russian cooperation date richard buenneke gibbons outlines space station redesign guidance nasa headquarters washington april release john gibbons director office science technology policy outlined members designate advisory committee redesign space station april budget options guidance committee deliberations redesign space station option billion range option billion high option billion considered committee option cover total expenditures space station fiscal year include funds development operations utilization shuttle integration facilities research operations support transition cost include adequate program reserves insure program implementation funds years billion reserved nasa budget president technology investment result station options billion accompanied offsetting reductions rest nasa budget space station option billion require billion offsets nasa budget years gibbons presented information organizational session advisory committee generally members designate focused administrative topics session acquainted received legal ethics briefing orientation process station redesign team develop options advisory committee gibbons announced united states international partners europeans japanese canadians decided consultation give full consideration russian assets space station redesign process russians asked participate redesign effort needed consulting basis redesign team make expertise assessing capabilities russian capabilities systems international partners hope benefit expertise russian participants assessing russian systems technology goal redesign effort develop options reducing station costs preserving research exploration capabilitiaes careful integration russian assets factor achieving goal gibbons reiterated president clinton committed redesigned space station making effort preserve science technology jobs space station program represents committed space station managed consume national resources invest future industry nation nasa administrator daniel goldin russian participation accomplished east west space science center university maryland leadership roald sagdeev blind carbon copy 
propoganda films nntp posting host organization texas instruments distribution lines article bigfoot gregory smith writes mccall dseg fred mccall writes digex writes stopped real secret friend high school poster picture built model billed model based specs radar nose aams closed bays underside fuselage description read speeds excess mach altitudes exceeding feet publically announced existance blackbird program dubbed mippselled fwiw doug page opinions mine necessarily represent employer 
questions titan ariane distribution organization goddard space flight center robotics lines news software vnews article uiuc garret gengler writes space write environet database gsfc envnet gsfc nasa call data ariane titan atlas delta scout launch environments howdy info anonymous work telnetting address asked login password note username environet envnet idea garret home office number environet note area code change friend mine ldef data apply login password call info hope morning david gsfc 
quaint archaisms nntp posting host organization texas instruments lines article nickh nick haines writes article gary uucp gary coffman writes units force names weight order constants omnipresent system natural easy gary figure weight barrels quart density cubic foot moon gravity face imperial system basically metric relating quantities written thing hanging express quantity inches feet yards chains apparent remaining complexity system multiplicity aforesaid prefixes fact fundamental difference imperial unit type values type expressed multiple unit seconds minutes hours days months years remember fahrenheit temperature scale centigrade scale revisionists history coldest point russian winter marked thermometer body temperature volunteer turns sick space marks thermometer divided hundredths fwiw doug page opinions mine necessarily represent employer sane person matter 
fred naseum added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines nick impressed called prospecting work geared industrially silly processes moon excuse astronauts fred replies translation support nick szabo vision future subscribe fred supporting thinks degree problem nick thinks address complaining fred complaints incredibly clear explanation complaints feelings nick method judgments meaning complaints things complain trash people supposed read trashing people funny deliberate obtuseness fred issue nick alleged trashing stopped trashing made point patently allegorically point fred thing honestly reporting ideas matters policy projects space response baiting part debate nick enter remotely resembling debate flame disagrees true szabo plan attacking people calling lazy bastard temerity disagree almight nick questioning peoples ethics temerity disagree lord szabo debate bwaahhaa glad laugh ratio debate insult close tommy generally dealing nick dealing problem conflict interpretations belief adequately judge debate suffice disagree point poll fred psuedo objective point view usual defend insults started yeah research called started stole stole lawnmower open interpretation nick start defense lame contradicting part sentence occurs apply defense reminds broke borrowed tool borrowed gave back broken gave make mind fred convinced people parts space based process response thing reasons impune motives person divergent opinion tommy show note terminal fred fred cocluded issue fact conclusion incorrect taking issue evidence communication style confusing evidence reading comprehension style inadequate address meant rewarded denial sorts smart remark point clear risking childish wrongly interpreting time stupid fred great point stupid people insult jealous guarding valuable opinions making quote issue taking issue szabo idea manned program scrapped time toaster based infrastructure finished hail szabo plan fred issue nick alleged meaning plan exists mind nick good point provided good reason ignore insults based incorrect interpretations made forgive giving insults meaning reading nick people required parts space processes taking issue opinions people space program read people required parts space processes fred patently stupid read nick wrong terminal hope cheeto string models computer mags raving point stupid incorrect assumption stupid insulted made alas fred finally style confusing make points simultaneously allegory insult sadly point addressed plan existed mind issue behaviors deliberate lack understanding tommy finally plan nick posts made imagine nick obnoxious behavior worse taking time dense problem nick delivery address bait perpetuating lack discourse complain tommy bait elicits response nick baits flame obnoxious fool care started read list information views issues dedicated started hear nick flaming stop flaming point post explaining time nice tommy post complain money worth deliberately thick point time waste time explaining time socrates neat criticism started fatherly admonitions things handled usenet rebuffed hypocritical tommy immaturity pique ghod wannabe turned thought instructed tommy cares haitus years remember nick road rude unneccesary behavior amazing continue issue behavior worse complaints obnoxious behavior hypocritical flames people decide flamers complaints calling immature calling yeah called names fred ghod wannabe naturally fred correctly interpreted motivations impossible judge actions insulting people proves care people fill personal garbage wanted impress complaints behavior private mail belongs thought jerk bring back playing hands alas idea intellectual master turning tables bringing history posts noble valuable purpose embarassing feel stupid make suggestions superior intellect becuase communicate adult righteous clear fred exposed able nother nasa stupider fred mccall hope happy leave heart attempt keeping nick approach high standards dropping tommy mcwilliams radius vision increases circumference mystery grows 
rollout report article topaz steinly distribution organization lick observatory lines nntp posting host topaz ucsc reply buenneke rand message article buenneke rand richard buenneke writes mcdonnell douglas rolls ssto research remains cloudy organization paid million afford fund full development follow vehicle hundreds millions required peculiar putting sdio budget year billion fund development years budget irons fire launcher development primary purpose development easily paid diverting money diverting comparable budget flames start applaud sdio funding devlopment hope works launcher development nasas primary goal imho supposed provide enabling technology research launcher development secondarily operate launchers require steinn sigurdsson shooting stars night lick observatory wished satellites steinly ucsc wrong space hardware standard disclaimer care 
vulcan spock haphaestus organization nasa langley research center lines distribution world reply egalon nasa claudio oliveira egalon nntp posting host tahiti larc nasa legend vulcan planet earth orbit science fiction movie remember planet orbit earth hidden visible earth turns planet exact mirror image earth inhabitants looked earthings difference organs opposite side heart side left shake hands left hand egalon nasa egalon nasa claudio oliveira egalon 
clementine reply tuinstra clarkson organization microsystems lines nntp posting host signal clarkson article mark prado permanet mark prado writes step word clementine mining folk song clementine memory serves part cavern canyon excavating mine dwelt miner forty niner daughter clementine watched huckleberry hound sing chorus story real person song dwight tuinstra tuinstra clarkson tolerable tuinstrd camp clarkson homo sapiens planetary cancer news 
recent observations hubble organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host kelvin nasa keywords pluto uranus news software vnews recent observations hubble space telescope faint object spectrograph make ultraviolet observations planet pluto moon charon peakups successful observations executed scheduled problems reported observations made high speed photometer planet uranus occultation faint star capricornus observations understanding planet atmospheric radiative dynamical processes event occurred close quarter moon special arrangements made modify lunar limit tests observations observations reviewed observations looked baalke baalke nasa propulsion telos cynical helps pasadena correct situation aggravation 
solar sail data organization microsystems lines distribution world reply almo ebay nntp posting host packmind ebay happened solar sail race supposed columbus article auburn snydefj auburn frank snyder writes information projects involving solar sails understand extensive study subject back late trouble gathering information groups involved project 
ozone gifs organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host kelvin nasa keywords ozone uars news software vnews ozone images april images ozone maps northern southern hemispheres info public access site maps produced microwave limb sounder aboard upper atmosphere research satellite uars courtesy public information office note images format make display software supports format opposed older format caption files accompanying images appended message embedded images images dialup modem parameters anonymous pubinfo nasa user anonymous news moved images directory days files ozone northern hemisphere ozone southern hemisphere photographic prints images ordered newell color listed refer number images ordering newell color westmoreland avenue angeles telephone ozone public information office propulsion laboratory california institute technology national aeronautics space administration pasadena calif telephone photo april graphic depicts chlorine monoxide ozone earth northern hemisphere february maps produced microwave limb sounder aboard upper atmosphere research satellite chlorine monoxide maps left layer kilometers feet earth surface february ozone maps show total amount altitude kilometers feet averaged period february march years microwave limb sounder developed operated team nasa propulsion laboratory instruments goddard space flight center upper atmosphere research satellite launched september ozone public information office propulsion laboratory california institute technology national aeronautics space administration pasadena calif telephone photo caption april graphic depicts chlorine monoxide antarctic ozone hole maps produced microwave limb sounder aboard upper atmosphere research satellite show amount chlorine monoxide left ozone stratosphere altitudes kilometers feet small abundances ozone large abundances chlorine monoxide dominant form chlorine destroys ozone data september compared september bottom microwave limb sounder developed operated team nasa propulsion laboratory instruments goddard space flight center upper atmosphere research satellite launched september baalke baalke nasa propulsion telos cynical helps pasadena correct situation aggravation 
sixty thousand read space organization fermi national accelerator laboratory lines nntp posting host fnalf fnal article rborden uvic ross borden writes article mark prado permanet mark prado writes people read space power influence individuals quick sees post reply read space count find answer nagging question maximum bandwidth internet practical suggestion peek news lists brian reid posted usenet readership report posting called usenet readership summary report methodology caveats reid survey postings failed back reid alas measure power influence readers mark suspect mark dangling fidonet news lists mailed copies reports bottom line estimated total number people read group worldwide actual number readers sampled population propagation sites receive group recent traffic messages month recent traffic kilobytes month crossposting percentage cost ratio month share newsrders read group space figure space ranks read newsgroups keeping track sporadically watch growth traffic readership entertained space space space space kind glitch estimating number readers space space revision ranking groups space possibly usenet hands give background interpret figures glitches history reid reporting effort mail belong space bill higgins beam jockey churchyard valley fermi national accelerator laboratory myrtle doth entwine bitnet higgins bitnet grow roses posies internet higgins fnal fertilized clementine span hepnet higgins 
organization university texas austin computation center lines distribution world nntp posting host gargravarr utexas useragent nuntius xxmessage xxdate article andy cohen cohen writes uploaded dcxart bongo utexas chris johnson moves delta clipper andy image delta clipper changed artists concept spirit verboseness chris chris johnson internet chrisj utexas uucp husc uunet utexas chrisj compuserve internet chrisj utexas applelink chrisj utexas wishing delta clipper team success upcoming flight tests 
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doppelganger vulcan spock haphaestus article mojo rinnett reply sysmgr distribution world organization computer aided design maryland college park lines nntp posting host queen article higgins fnal bill higgins beam jockey writes journey side united states doppelganger live action series space astronomy lousy lifting body spacecraft vtol airliners mighty portugese launch complex wonderful recycled models theme music concepts showed space software engineering military intelligence sysmgr 
shuttle launch question added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines bothering watching nasa select bothering wondering launch forget clear caution warning memory verify unexpected errors wondering expected error dumb question inquiring minds gotta yeah yeah dumb cosmospheres randy padgett supervisor bitnet etrat academic computing facilities internet etrat texas tech university thenet ttacs etrat lubbock 
comet temporary orbit jupiter organization fermi national accelerator laboratory lines nntp posting host fnalf fnal article stortek paul gilmartin writes bill higgins beam jockey higgins fnal wrote comet experts explain comet jovian orbit begin gravitational forces heating outgassing comet solar system forget galilean satellites jupiter poor physics intuition surprised tiny masses sitting close jupiter play role whatsoever problem technically extra volume phase space capture trajectories negligible jupiter galilean satellites references looked mention outgassing breakup important processes important thing jupiter comet reverse slingshot leads weakly jupiter bound orbit comet temporary bill higgins late night doth haunt fermilab dressed garments soaked brine bitnet higgins bitnet life internet higgins fnal dead draw line span hepnet higgins tragedy clementine 
wrench works originator jmcocker ncsu reply jmcocker ncsu mitch organization north carolina state university project lines thought haven night evening news anchorperson effect ssrbs recovered recent space shuttle launch found wrench sort rattling apparently inside case elaboration specfically item found type wrench anchorperson nasa official commenting inquiry thing ssrb info sources mine heard weird mitch jmcocker ncsu 
recent observations hubble keywords pluto uranus organization world public access unix brookline lines article baalke nasa baalke writes recent observations hubble space telescope observations made high speed photometer planet uranus occultation faint star capricornus knew uranus long dick pierce loudspeaker software consulting sartelle street pepperell voice 
galileo update organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host kelvin nasa keywords galileo news software vnews forwarded neal ausman galileo mission director galileo mission director status report post launch april spacecraft april real time commands planned reacquire celestial reference completion gain antenna swing dual drive actuator hammer activities april earth jupiter sequence memory load uplinked spacecraft incident sequence covers spacecraft activity april june includes window radio relay antenna slew test april command loss timer days part sequence memory load april command reset command loss timer hours planned mission phase april cruise science memory readouts mros performed extreme ultraviolet spectrometer dust detector magnetometer instruments preliminary analysis data received properly april ultra stable oscillator test performed verify health status collect gravitational shift experiment data long term trend analysis continuing april modulation index test performed determine optimal signal noise ratio transmitting preliminary analysis data suggests present launch selected modulation index optimal level april cruise science memory readouts mros performed extreme ultraviolet spectrometer magnetometer instrument preliminary analysis data received properly april periodic retro propulsion module newton thruster flushing maintenance activity performed thrusters flushed activity thruster performance activity nominal imbalance measurements exhibited significant greater period measurement reads volts measurement reads volts measurements consistent model developed special anomaly team spacecraft status april system power margin watts spin configuration dual spin spin rate sensor star scanner spacecraft attitude approximately degrees lagging degrees earth leading downlink telemetry rate antenna coded general thermal control temperatures acceptable range tank pressures acceptable range orbiter science instruments powered probe powered temperatures acceptable range loss timer setting hours time initiation hours ground data systems galileo participated deep space network acceptance test telemetry phase upgrade april compatibility test area purpose test verify flow galileo telemetry data telemetry group controller telemetry channel assembly replacement current telemetry processing assembly telemetry rates test mcc telemetry subsystem ammos mgds exception rate trouble staying lock appears metering data correctly comparisons mgds data test conducted mission verification test system expected begin trajectory noon thursday april galileo spacecraft trajectory status distance earth distance heliocentric speed hour distance jupiter round trip light time minutes seconds special topic april total real time commands transmitted galileo launch initiated sequence design process initiated real time command process past week real time commands transmitted initiated sequence design process initiated real time command process major command activities included commands reacquire celestial reference uplink sequence memory load reset command loss timer baalke baalke nasa propulsion telos cynical helps pasadena correct situation aggravation 
successful balloon flight measures ozone layer organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host kelvin nasa keywords news software vnews forwarded public information office propulsion laboratory california institute technology national aeronautics space administration pasadena calif contact mary hardin release april scientists nasa propulsion laboratory report successful flight balloon carrying instruments designed measure study chemicals earth ozone layer april flight california barstow daggett airport reached altitude kilometers feet measurements part program established correlate data upper atmosphere research satellite uars data balloon flight compared readings atmospheric trace molecular spectroscopy atmos experiment flying onboard shuttle discovery launch balloons times year part ongoing ozone research program fact actively involved study ozone atmosphere important ways margitan principal investigator balloon research campaign instruments uars satellite continued atmos experiment conducted scientists balloon research collaborative ground truth activities data measurements balloon payload pieces complex puzzle atmosphere specifically latitude stratosphere winter spring understanding chemistry occurring region helps scientists construct accurate computer models instrumental predicting future ozone conditions scientific balloon payload consisted instruments ultraviolet ozone photometer measures ozone balloon ascends descends atmosphere submillimeterwave limb sounder microwave radiation emitted molecules atmosphere fourier transform infrared interferometer monitors atmosphere absorbs sunlight launch occurred noontime hour ascent balloon floated eastward approximately kilometers hour knots data radioed ground stations recorded onboard flight ended pacific time eastern mexico payload commanded separate balloon needed sunset make infrared measurements margitan explained needed darkness watch quickly molecules disappear weeks scientists completed results experiments forward data uars central data facility goddard space flight center greenbelt maryland uars scientists balloon launched national scientific balloon facility based palestine operating contract nasa wallops flight facility balloon launched california west east wind direction desire operation southwest balloons made micron thousandth inch thick plastic cubic meters million cubic feet volume fully inflated helium meters feet diameter balloons weigh kilograms pounds scientific payload weighs kilograms pounds meters feet square meters feet high balloon research sponsored nasa upper atmosphere research program uars correlative measurements program baalke baalke nasa propulsion telos cynical helps pasadena correct situation aggravation 
russian operation space missions organization university illinois urbana lines people hate somethings article read article subject space news months interested subject hunt motivation josh hopkins uiuc tout homme capable imaginer autres hommes seront capable realiser jules verne 
read space lines nntp posting host skndiv dseg reply pyron dseg organization dseg support henry fred tommy mary yeah real bald headed space baby dillon pyron opinions expressed dseg lewisville support sender stated home texans vote robin hood pyron dseg solutions gestures padi 
doppelganger vulcan spock haphaestus organization fermi national accelerator laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host fnalf fnal article egalon nasa claudio oliveira egalon writes science fiction movie remember planet orbit earth hidden visible earth journey side united states doppelganger produced great team gerry sylvia anderson science production live actors technophilic puppet shows supercar stingray thunderbirds live action series space astronomy lousy lifting body spacecraft vtol airliners mighty portugese launch complex wonderful bill higgins beam jockey churchyard valley fermi national accelerator laboratory myrtle doth entwine bitnet higgins bitnet grow roses posies internet higgins fnal fertilized clementine span hepnet higgins 
comet temporary orbit jupiter lines organization memorial university john nfld canada article baalke nasa baalke writes article mark brader writes close comet jupiter pass temporary orbit jupiter makes escape answer questions comet temporary orbit interested case typical behavior questions answered previous instance gehrels mentioned earlier posting gehrels temporary jovian orbit years orbital elements dance planets post folks meant send orbital elements comet dance files omega epoch perihelions gehrels april jupiter radii august jupiter radii hope helps orbital mechanic artist john garland jgarland 
line orbital element space shuttle keywords space shuttle orbital elements keplerian nntp posting host scgraph afit organization force institute technology lines current orbital elements norad line element sets carried celestial updated daily documentation tracking software system service satellite user community current elements current shuttle mission provided celestial accessed hours data bits stop parity element sets updated daily shuttle elements documentation software anonymous archive afit directory space kelso assistant professor space operations tkelso force institute technology 
update organization evil geniuses tomorrow lines article rdouglas douglas writes question allen sherzer answer wondering kind update rolled weeks speak white sands ready called sources latest town future years budget work ssrt sdio funds sdio repeat fund orbital prototype hope alive year fund suborbital vehicle major modifications make orbit money prototype tanks projects answer open questions news spacelifter effort usaf managers program open ssto year studies bring money good case made spending half public support critical meet congressperson support call local media cover flight tests allen lady astor husband poison coffee churchill madam wife drink days flight 
nasp added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines send basics nasp project proposal objectives current status project obstacles encountered chance project completed interesting information project appreciated terry ford carleton house nepean ontario canada earth solar system milky cluster discalimer injuries occuring direct result reading message including heart palpitations fault shape form 
space event angeles added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines release contact oasis april angeles local national space society chapters sponsor talk advocate lunar power system energy source world april oasis ventura county chapters national space society sponsor talk lunar power system inventor vice president coalition robert waldron held rockwell science center thousand oaks waldron technical specialist space materials processing space systems division rockwell international downey california recognized world authority lunar materials refinement written coauthored articles reports nonterrestrial materials processing utilization david criswell waldron invented lunar solar power system concept momentum building coalition entrepreneurs legal experts soviet scientists engineers build lunar power system pollution free energy source potential power globe past years members coalition half california rejuvenated commercial scientific concept solar power system based moon concept entails collecting solar energy lunar surface beaming power earth microwaves transmitted orbiting antennae mature offers enormous source clean sustainable power meet earth increasing demand proven basic technology oasis organization advancement space industrialization greater angeles chapter national space society international profit organization promotes development space frontier ventura county chapter based oxnard rockwell science center auditorium camino rios thousand oaks directions ventura freeway thousand oaks exit lynn road heading north turn north left turn south mile turn left camino rios mile make rockwell camino colindo parking hill left 
read space nntp posting host uvic organization university victoria victoria canada lines article digex writes days arbitron stats analyzed readership posting volumes group user uunet check readership space stupid unscientific attempt flood newsgroup abetter idea reply directly origanator post read space sigh make joke inject humour immortal words foghorn leghorn joke thought mcelwaine mention smileys humour impaired joking sigh suggestion bunches stop sending email shot watch ross borden disneyland rborden uvic 
shuttle launch question news software vnews organization goddard space flight center robotics distribution lines article etrat pack writes bothering watching nasa select bothering wondering launch forget clear caution warning memory verify unexpected errors wondering expected error dumb question pure speculation guess cautions based hazardous launch qualify caution srbs armed raise interesting question hard pick expected error unexpected error heat moment 
bioccnt organization university otago dunedin zealand nntp posting host thorin otago lines remind quotation sitting atop rocket awaiting liftoff answer question thinking approximately half million components work perfectly supplied lowest bidder attribution correction quote appreciated clive trotman 
wrench works organization evans sutherland computer corp lines jmcocker ncsu mitch writes effect ssrbs recovered recent space shuttle launch found wrench sort rattling apparently inside case heard similar statement local news utah tonight referred tool pliers ride space thiokol employee reported missing tool kind assembly info location agree pretty weird 
solar sail data organization toronto zoology lines article almo ebay writes happened solar sail race supposed columbus recession potential entrants raise money race organizers supposed handling part fundraising work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
read space nntp posting host katarina organization motorola codex canton massachusetts lines rborden uvic ross borden writes quick sees post reply read space count find answer nagging question maximum bandwidth internet mail back read space count server world death past senders single post save header bandwidth meaning flame late work demo punchy jftm 
clementine science team selected nntp posting host ngis geod organization dept energy mines resources ottawa lines nickh nick haines writes article stephens dave stephenson writes remember government scientist british empire astronomer royal paid department ordinance budget military flamsteed house original built army surplus scrap gate house tower london paid sale time expired gunpowder time astronomy vital military navigation cartography primary impoortance military good cartography impossible good astronomy relevance daysis obvious nick applies astronomy days long baseline radio astronomy coupled satellite laser ranging data nasa naval observatory vital source data studies crustal dynamics earth rotation purturbations time leap added year remember military science habiting nicely vlbi track gallileo passed earth fuel afford observe dave stephenson geodetic survey canada ottawa ontario canada internet stephens 
cold roll control thruster tanks organization university south australia lines size cold roll control thruster tanks sounding rockets advance 
apollo training iceland distribution lines apollo astronauts trained meteor crater flagstaff area arizona museum space shop caution ease compared visit worth thorsten nedderhut disclaimer software systems gmbh esoc fcsd responsible darmstadt germany postings tnedderh bitnet 
cold tanks sounding rockets organization computing university kent canterbury lines nntp posting host eagle size cold roll control thruster tanks sounding rockets work cold make tanks working cold problem depending vehicle configuration flight duration thruster couples storage pressure factor selecting tank wall thickness ralph lorenz unit space sciences university kent 
amateur rockets organization icem systems lines reading popular science morning surprised back back fringe science questionablely legal grabbed attention company personal missle stated sell rockets length engines sizes rockets reach feet obvious dangers amateur rocketeer beasts illegal imagine allowing people shoot rockets flight levels passenger planes mention problem locating rocket buying crazy paul mine feet carries pounds dynamite dokas include define full paul dokas define email remember someday 
shuttle oxygen budget astronaut organization nasa space shuttle program office newsreader version lines henry toronto henry spencer writes emergency oxygen system capable maintaining breathable atmosphere cabin long hole wall plug josh hopkins uiuc replied double land shuttle hole wall personnally programmatically land orbiter hole wall provided thing caused hole crit failure internal systems places hole hole orbiter side easily happen meteor strike hole pressure vessel immediately orbit landing site jenks nasa space shuttle program office kjenks nasa nasa turns dreams realities makes science fiction fact daniel goldin nasa administrator 
japanese moon landing organization panix public access unix lines afraid give info hoping greter netland details short story newspaper days made sort mention japanese sounded gravity assist managed crash crash land package moon article vague unclear make matters worse clip memory dannyb 
amateur rockets organization toronto zoology lines article paul dokas writes stated sell rockets length engines sizes rockets reach feet obvious dangers amateur rocketeer beasts illegal imagine allowing people shoot rockets flight levels passenger planes situation regard changed considerably recent years discussion high power rocketry models rockets frequently asked questions list hardware walk street proper certification tripoli high power analog cautiously moving extend upper boundaries considers proper special authorization provided runway approaches stupid hard arrange model rocketry sort hardware safe handled properly proper handling takes care empty basically model rocketry scaled model rocketry high power people factory built engines eliminates major safety hazard rocketry work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
wrench works organization kendall square research corp lines nanderso norman anderson writes jmcocker ncsu mitch writes effect ssrbs recovered recent space shuttle launch found wrench sort rattling apparently inside case heard similar statement local news utah tonight referred tool pliers ride space thiokol employee reported missing tool kind assembly assume thiokol manager pissing customer delaying shipment inside idea tool ended feeling thiokol manager hats shaped cones 
read space organization inquiring mind lines rborden uvic ross borden writes article mark prado permane people read space power influence individuals quick sees post reply read space count find answer nagging question maximum bandwidth internet amateur radio operator metres matter coming days learned alot satellites current future past back vanguard series astro observatory space borrowed book library called weater satellites photo earth tiros type satellite build model large color poster tiros satellites places sell itos favorite satellite amsat oscar ttyl bison inquiring mind winnipeg manitoba 
shuttle oxygen budget astronaut organization computer aided design maryland college park lines reply sysmgr nntp posting host queen article kjenks nasa writes josh hopkins uiuc replied double land shuttle hole wall personnally volunteering hole pressure vessel immediately orbit landing site nasa landing sites russian republic friends comrades software engineering military intelligence sysmgr 
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japanese moon landing organization toronto zoology lines article dannyb daniel burstein writes short story newspaper days made sort mention japanese sounded gravity assist managed crash crash land package moon hiten engineering test mission spent highly eccentric earth orbit lunar flybys inserted lunar orbit tricky gravity assist maneuvering meant crash moon eventually thing stable lunar orbit recall hearing recently happen work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
amateur rockets organization bell labs naperville distribution lines article paul dokas writes reading popular science morning surprised back back fringe science questionablely legal grabbed attention company personal missle stated sell rockets length engines sizes rockets reach feet obvious dangers amateur rocketeer beasts illegal imagine allowing people shoot rockets flight levels passenger planes mention problem locating rocket buying crazy paul mine feet carries pounds dynamite dokas public missile michigan description sounds talking high power rocketry outgrowth model rocketry hobby metallic structural compoments commerically manufactured engines ranging impulse classification hobby flourishing early increasing popular technically amateur rocketry rocket liftoff weight greater pounds total impulse greater requires waiver launch typically group people waiver period time week weekend designated site time launches covered blanket waiver high power safety code designates specific rules launch field size finally order purchase larger class rocket motors certified national association rocketry tripoli rocketry association certification procedures require demonstarted handling safe flight total impulse level information watch models rockets newsgroup michael jungclas uucp ihlpb rjungcla bell labs naperville internet rjungcla 
amateur rockets organization doctoral student public policy management carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply aren strict sense amateur rockets term denotes rockets engines constructed user rockets describe called high power rockets distinguish smaller model rockets factory made ammonium perchlorate composite propellants phenolic plastic engines graphite nozzles engines classified impulse engine newton seconds impulse engine letter corresponds doubling maximum impulse engines size pretty shelf engines size shipped class explosives controlled engines size shipped class explosives controlled class engines engines model rocket engines class engines legal limbo society tripoli rocket society holds events sites year legalities waiver included care national association rocketry concerned engines involved societies certify users rockets companies sell uncertified individuals bottom line legit suggest send catalog forget dynamite larry 
space event angeles added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines apologies posted made release contact oasis april angeles local national space society chapters sponsor talk advocate lunar power system energy source world april oasis ventura county chapters national space society sponsor talk lunar power system inventor vice president coalition robert waldron held rockwell science center thousand oaks waldron technical specialist space materials processing space systems division rockwell international downey california recognized world authority lunar materials refinement written coauthored articles reports nonterrestrial materials processing utilization david criswell waldron invented lunar solar power system concept momentum building coalition entrepreneurs legal experts soviet scientists engineers build lunar power system pollution free energy source potential power globe past years members coalition half california rejuvenated commercial scientific concept solar power system based moon concept entails collecting solar energy lunar surface beaming power earth microwaves transmitted orbiting antennae mature offers enormous source clean sustainable power meet earth increasing demand proven basic technology oasis organization advancement space industrialization greater angeles chapter national space society international profit organization promotes development space frontier ventura county chapter based oxnard rockwell science center auditorium camino rios thousand oaks directions ventura freeway thousand oaks exit lynn road heading north turn north left turn south mile turn left camino rios mile make rockwell camino colindo parking hill left 
amateur rockets nntp posting host nucleus organization university california irvine lines legal familiar speaking knowing popular science fringe speaking public missle legitimate company advances composite fuels engines model rockets similar composites fuel roughly times powerful black powder motors reloadable form aluminum casing casings rings engines range common manufacture heard special occasions model rocket rocket metal structural parts requirements heard model rocket heard foot flights require waivers large national launches ldrs fireballs sized engine flights engine constitutes area high power rocketry seperate normal model rocketry purchase engines describing require membership national association rocketry tripoli rocketry assoc part educational institute company involved rocketry amatuer rocketry area familiar area metal parts allowed liquid fuels kind regulations involved numerous high power rocketry exciting interested questions newsgroup model rockets 
update nntp posting host starman convex organization convex computer corporation richardson disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines allen sherzer writes future years budget work ssrt sdio funds sdio repeat fund orbital prototype hope alive year fund suborbital vehicle major modifications make orbit money prototype tanks projects answer open questions orbital version suitable reuseable sounding rocket news spacelifter effort usaf managers program open ssto year studies bring ghod thought spacelifter bastard reminder money good case made spending half public support critical meet congressperson support call local media cover flight tests 
wrench works disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host oslo rchland organization rochester lines space forum leave pliers workers kennedy space center disassembled solid rocket boosters surprised find pair pliers lodged base hand tool survived trip launch approximately foot altitude splashdown towing back nasa spokesperson lisa malone told media long time happened lost washers bolts tool initial investigation incident shown thiokol corp technician noticed reported pliers missing april worker supervisor report discovery launched extra payload nasa officials told missing tool april launch date free flying pliers supposed tethered technician tool found section booster inch long rope attached pliers found part booster easily visible launch note naahh easy spokesperson lockheed space operations company shuttle processor action thiokol subcontractor lsoc work prepare shuttle hardware launch karl anderson configuration management version control dept rochester minnesota internet karl prodigy cmmg seek strive find yield alfred lord tennyson 
wrench works lines nntp posting host skndiv dseg reply pyron dseg organization dseg support article john woods writes nanderso norman anderson writes jmcocker ncsu mitch writes effect ssrbs recovered recent space shuttle launch found wrench sort rattling apparently inside case heard similar statement local news utah tonight referred tool pliers ride space thiokol employee reported missing tool kind assembly test reusable tool assume thiokol manager pissing customer delaying shipment inside idea tool ended feeling thiokol manager hats shaped cones pointy find stick pants closer brains dillon pyron opinions expressed dseg lewisville support sender stated home texans vote robin hood pyron dseg solutions gestures padi 
japanese moon landing organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host kelvin nasa news software vnews article dannyb daniel burstein writes short story newspaper days made sort mention japanese sounded gravity assist managed crash crash land package moon japanese spacecraft hiten crashed moon weekend past years made lunar flybys aerobraking experiments earth atmosphere lunar orbit february guess finally fuel unable maintain orbit moon baalke baalke nasa propulsion telos aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar part vegetable 
washington post article russian space cooperation organization nasa gsfc greenbelt maryland lines reported yesterday washington post kathy sawyer writer article plays russian role space gibbons science advisor clinton goldin letter indicating nasa limit redesign options compatible orbit white house thinks expectations russian cooperation raised high article reports spending schedule limits space station stringent redesign impossible goldin begun russian hardware goldin states nasa present options administration decision making power goldin white house totally ruled energia boost station chuck divine 
japanese moon landing reply uiuc organization tragnetics recorporation lines article henry toronto henry spencer writes article dannyb daniel burstein writes short story newspaper days made sort mention japanese sounded gravity assist managed crash crash land package moon hiten engineering test mission spent highly eccentric earth orbit lunar flybys inserted lunar orbit tricky gravity assist maneuvering meant crash moon eventually thing stable lunar orbit recall hearing recently happen gravity maneuvering exploit fuzzy regions inventor exploiting order perturbations body system probe launched region earth moon system perturbations affected lunar orbit large expenditures fuel slow idea natural objects captured expending fuel find trajectory makes originator technique nasa interested japan probe small hold fuel deceleration issue science news planetary report months raymond swartz uiuc read newspaper today amazed hours billion people accomplish 
orion drive vacuum organization uunet technologies falls church lines nntp posting host mimi background orion spacedrive theoretical concept drive thermonuclear explosions drive spacecraft idea detonate devices megatons yield pusher plate attached main spacecraft shock wave explosions transfer momentum ship atmosphere energy explosion heats atmosphere expands explosively slams shock wave pusher plate vacuum things plate fission fusion products barium krypton helium neutrons evaporated bomb casing electromagnetic radiation gammas light heat irradiated fission products work radiation impelling momentum mass pusher plate momentum transfer throwing bombs back ship detonating missing enlighten email goltz alternet engineer goltz 
read space netnews summary space digest address nntp posting host organization school computer science carnegie mellon lines article mark prado permanet mark prado writes space internet feed cryptic internet feed feed kudos mark generous offer exists large email based forwarding system space posts space digest mirrors space simple communication subscribe send message body subject email message subscribe space john public addresses listserv listserv listserv listserv space request isunet receive posts digest form listserv space request address handled manually post messages send message reasonable subject line space isunet questions comments space request isunet mark maimone phone carnegie mellon computer science email 
japanese moon landing organization toronto zoology lines article uiuc writes lunar orbit large expenditures fuel slow idea natural objects captured expending fuel find trajectory makes originator technique nasa interested japan probe small hold fuel deceleration hiten originally intended lunar orbit fuel hand lunar orbit mission afterthought hagoromo tiny subsatellite deployed hiten lunar flyby transmitter failure proper insertion lunar orbit positively confirmed noted technique disadvantages takes long time inconvenient lunar orbit circular polar orbit plan expend amount fuel reduced brute force approach work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
orion drive vacuum organization toronto zoology lines article goltz james goltz writes work radiation impelling momentum mass pusher plate momentum transfer throwing bombs back ship detonating orion concept proposed opposed misrepresented fiction included wrapping thick layer reaction mass plastic sort bomb bomb vaporizes reaction mass transfers momentum pusher plate work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
shuttle oxygen budget astronaut organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex thought emergency conditions good size airport orbiter 
read space organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex article rborden uvic ross borden writes article digex writes days arbitron stats analyzed readership posting volumes group user uunet check readership space stupid unscientific attempt flood newsgroup abetter idea reply directly origanator post read space sigh make joke inject humour immortal words foghorn leghorn joke thought mcelwaine mention smileys humour impaired joking sigh suggestion bunches stop sending email shot watch ross borden disneyland rborden uvic wink suggestion indicating intensely sarcastic ross original posting dropped floor trickle thought intensely stupid knowing joke mentioned arbitron left equally stupid joke bill increasing devotion thoroughness arbitron stats arbitron stats severely methodologically impaired good measure proportion people read news anymore 
japanese moon landing organization nasa langley research center lines distribution world reply egalon nasa claudio oliveira egalon nntp posting host tahiti larc nasa thing stable lunar orbit stuff means sattellite moon long orbit unstable reason combined gravitacional atraction moon earth provide stable orbit moon egalon nasa egalon nasa claudio oliveira egalon 
portuguese launch complex doppelganger organization nasa langley research center lines distribution world reply egalon nasa claudio oliveira egalon nntp posting host tahiti larc nasa portugese launch complex wonderful portuguese launch complex gosh polish american portuguese brazilians brazil joke portuguese space agency wanted send portuguese astronaut surface thing solve problems sending surface simple astronauts travelled night egalon nasa egalon nasa claudio oliveira egalon 
space news nntp posting host starman convex organization convex computer corporation richardson disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines marshall investigating small pressure rise endeavour launch lasted seconds thrust difference srbs nozzle gimballing casing shows abnormalities wrench pliers found inside recovery 
quotation lowest bidder bioccnt organization university otago dunedin zealand nntp posting host thorin otago lines remind quotation sitting atop rocket awaiting liftoff answer question thinking approximately half million components work perfectly supplied lowest bidder attribution correction quote appreciated clive trotman 
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japanese moon landing temporary orbit organization univ southwestern louisiana lines uiuc swartz writes gravity maneuvering exploit fuzzy regions inventor exploiting order perturbations body system probe launched region earth moon system perturbations affected lunar orbit large expenditures fuel slow idea natural objects captured expending fuel find trajectory makes originator technique nasa interested japan probe small hold fuel deceleration post title thread practical temporary orbits temporary orbit phil fraering find sorts stuff cacs ancient mayans televison repo 
japanese moon landing organization toronto zoology lines article egalon nasa claudio oliveira egalon writes thing stable lunar orbit stuff means sattellite moon long orbit unstable reason combined gravitacional atraction moon earth provide stable orbit moon lunar satellite fuel regular orbit corrections fuel runs crash months orbits apollo motherships changed noticeably lunar missions lasting days stable orbits moon gravitational field poorly mapped perturbations earth minor issues altitudes problem moon gravitational field lumpy irregular distribution mass moon work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
line orbital element space shuttle keywords space shuttle orbital elements keplerian nntp posting host scgraph afit organization force institute technology lines current orbital elements norad line element sets carried celestial updated daily documentation tracking software system service satellite user community current elements current shuttle mission provided celestial accessed hours data bits stop parity element sets updated daily shuttle elements documentation software anonymous archive afit directory space kelso assistant professor space operations tkelso force institute technology 
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guns space keywords sopa space launcer organization boeing center huntsville lines lets record straight livermore project manager john hunter works laser group livermore guns lasers physically located road free electron laser building building heavily shielded control room thick walls firings controlled suspect office works administrative convenience visited hunter beginning toured time working boeing work things helping save space station methane mixture burned chamber long inch pipe chamber holds piston propelled hundred chamber side piston hudrogen initially room temperature andsome tens atmospheres piston compresses heats hydrogen ahead stainless steel burst diaphragm ruptures barrel feet long inch bore mounted angles chamber intersect future barrel raised fired move larger heavier chamber projectile testing cylinder lexan plastic diameter long acceleration expansion hydrogen projectile leaves barrel barrel evacuated sealed sheet plastic film thicker saran wrap plastic blown small amount residual trapped barrel ahead projectile fired bunker filled sandbags plastic water jugs early testing fragments plastic projectile found higher speeds testing projectile vaporizes testing bunker livermore test range miles projectile fired maximum range intent move vandenberg testing complete fire pacific ocean tracking radar vafb follow projectiles design goal throw projectile half orbital speed reached repairs test blew seal damaged hardware methane detonating burning chance talk hunter directly people waiting test scramjet components firing mach wind tunnels mach cost million develop basically proof concept bigger capable firing sized payloads space require order projectiles deliver order payload orbit dani eder dani eder meridian investment company athens location 
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space article galaxy organization university california riverside lines nntp posting host guitar interesting opinion piece business section today times thursday april thought post stir flame wars reasoned debate preface largely agree space romantic sense decades projects space station miss point time reading weekly physics update clear romance lies fine grained manipulation matter include biotechnology condensed matter physics spinoffs computer hardware amazing things people individual atoms days large extent romance people space matter nostalgia feel someday precisely mind children spread space wipe manned space exploration exciting quote article space glory fades view micheal schrage writer consultant research associate america space suffer angst midlife crisis reason space dead technologies longer define times public grown weary multibillion dollar celestial investments yield minimal psychic economic rewards space exploration mutated central focuse america science technology debate peripheral issue speace meaningful part ongoing industrial competitiveness debate technology infrastructure discussions defense conversion policy america continue invest satellite technologies telecommunications remote sensing cheap deep space probes nice ideal space meaningful driver scientific industrial innovation dead change administrations foolish write obituary space bush white house aggressively supported space program proposed spending billion build space station freedom proposed budget cuts science technology domains office management budget director richard darman outspoken public champion ticket space expenditures reality civilian space program shuttle hubble telescope space station poorly conceived unimpressively implemented matter political inertia nostalgic sense futurism coherent vision cost effective sensibilities determined multibillion dollar space budgets notable exceptions voyager post apollo story gold plated porkification space exploration programs promises delivered clinton administration highly regarded daniel goldin administrator national aeronautics space administration clear space exploration positioned symbolic substantive centerpiece america technological prowess space station budget rightly slashed space virtually administration champions competitiveness agenda happened years starting happen bruce murray caltech professor nasa propulsion pasadena things billion nasa billion filled white elephants 
orion drive vacuum xxmessage xxdate organization simon fraser university useragent nuntius lines article james goltz goltz writes background orion spacedrive theoretical concept theoretical concept pursued freeman dyson years high explosive orion prototype flew atmosphere diego back working general atomic time learn experiment thirty years taylor visited revealed feel film experiment leigh 
school mcrandall wesleyan organization wesleyan university nntp posting host wesleyan lines newbie information paper working back college send data solar coronal holes recurrant aurora past thirty years information esoteric things telluric current surge bafflers power companies effects sporatic aurora earth magnetic field eternally gratefull send interesting marty crandall grela vleck observatory wesleyan university middletown mail mcrandall wesleyan advance marty 
solar sail data article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska article snydefj auburn frank snyder writes information projects involving solar sails understand extensive study subject back late trouble gathering information groups involved project frank snyder auburn university snydefj auburn long talks solar sails early year late year solar sailing captured regulars data started latest round late year round topic year michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
russian email contacts lines nntp posting host acad alaska organization university alaska fairbanks russian contacts space contacts ussr eastern europe post talk questions cost email high content specific topics basically save russia make contacts contacts form info lets informing michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked alive nome alaska called russian america 
quotation organization alpha science computer network denver lines article bioccnt writes remind quotation sitting atop rocket awaiting liftoff answer question thinking approximately half million components work perfectly supplied lowest bidder sounds similar wally schirra bruce watson wats alphacdc bulletin item extract 
orbital repairstation nntp posting host organization earth lectronic link lines difficulties high include long transfer times radiation damage vanallen belts spacecraft arcjets xenon thrusters require huge amounts power nuclear power source messy dangerous source radiation damage solar arrays sensitive radiation heavy make attitude control docking pain solar replace arrays trip current technology nuclear power sources strongly restricted international treaty refueling high xenon required turn pain develop autonomous rendezvous long range teleoperation docking refueling plane change deltav required high force continues things suppose biding time till technology problems solved impossible principle hard marginally cheaper shot rockets today random thoughts high designed steve collins 
rmy space organization univ florida dept lines distribution world nntp posting host beach discuss careers army deal space graduate commitment serve army spend space related field post long time force space command made fleeting reference army counter part info appreciated things branch intelligence signal voice interest space qualifications major computer science engineering reply info find life jupiter considered enemy planet jack handy cirop circa endeavour 
orion drive vacuum organization university virginia lines article leigh palmer writes article james goltz goltz writes background orion spacedrive theoretical concept theoretical concept pursued freeman dyson years high explosive orion prototype flew atmosphere diego back working general atomic time learn experiment thirty years taylor visited revealed feel film experiment leigh nope film taylor biography curve binding energy short section orion test flight apparently impressi braun excited real life mike williams perpetual grad student mail indenture world plan ahead 
space debris organization nasa langley research center lines distribution world reply egalon nasa claudio oliveira egalon nntp posting host tahiti larc nasa nasa johnson space center answer question follow egalon nasa claudio oliveira egalon 
space organization diego supercomputer center ucsd lines distribution world nntp posting host penelope sdsc space beginning space exploration longer driver technical innovation focus american cultural attention debatable technical developments quarters examined applications space area forward innovations enhance capabilities lower cost future space operations dream alive jeff bytof member technical staff institute remote exploration 
ussr reached moon lines turning moonbase good post hundred posts real reason moon base economic space industry presumeably larger space industry eventually simply able afford stuff graydon 
space shuttle information wanted organization worcester polytechnic institute lines nntp posting host bigwpi hoping writing program astronautics class assent shuttle orbit things time elapses launch pitch cross sectional area shuttle tank information post mail joel belog nether 
army space organization shakala clanzen radio network sunnyvale lines kerry todd johnson writes discuss careers army deal space graduate commitment serve army spend space related field post long time force space command made fleeting reference army counter part info appreciated things branch intelligence signal voice interest space qualifications major computer science engineering kerry guessing years info defense artillery specialty possibly signals kind thing type assignments pretty prosaic stuff things hard kill atbm missiles cobra rigs kind thing hope ideas charlie prael dante shakala clanzen radio network sunnyvale 
nasa wraps organization university houston lines distribution world nntp posting host judy news software vnews article allen sherzer writes article wingo cspara decnet msfc nasa writes universities thing wrap overhead charge wrong allen overhead charge charge seperately budgeted overhead shape size form fashion professor university virginia told wrap subcontracts worked universities employer profit research institute generally reffered care told generally true single line item contract sign thing wrap university asked ther wrap marquette university wisconsin madison utah state weber state embry riddle doees happen instance able track president university provost university west virgina happen figure included overhead legitimate charge write proposals contracts dime charges overhead sounds adding overhead rate costing people project heard suggest president percentage number included overhead numbers allen show quit barking dennis read article repeat internal estimate reston costing department freedom built year operated year money spent freedom spend half billion year roughly money wasted making confirm anonymous editorial published weeks space news allen repeated allegations made employee overhead capital nasa reston dont cheaper nasa centers work kinda funny talks problem place overhead dennis nasa problems accept wrong blame congress nasa problems remember overrun insisted congresses fault nasa management knew overrun year refused blame congress overrun space news artice point congressionally demanded change caused problems methinks selective facts numbers allen cost million flight service cost flying shuttle billion flights billion number idea dennis allen takes flights year resupply station cost million flight billion year stated friend reston current station resupply billion year wrap points blatent contridiction numbers understandably fail dennis university alabama huntsville gang deadline satellite allen math chance 
army space organization express access online communications lines distribution world nntp posting host access digex army ballistic missile defense organization precursors sdio exist umbrella army signal corp defense comm agency oops disa changed names space work point defense comm sats worry lots jobs ditch digging 
space organization express access online communications lines distribution world nntp posting host access digex oddly smithsonian calls lindbergh years golden flight call granite years reflecting primitive nature romantic swashbuckling daredevils daring young flying machines reality sucked death highly occurence environment blew early navy pressure suits modified diving suits ready star plan outer space radios aids joke engines castor picked called aviators iron stomachs vertigo oddly golden flight shuttle bucks golden mercury gemini apollo romantic honest peeing bags plastic bags glued butt everytime needed bowel movement living days inside romantic commercial points golden cigar smoking business loud polyester space suits fill skys strip malls space ship lots hhmm retract golden days wally schirra telling great grand children walked moon miles buses kids soft 
flawed propulsion system space shuttle added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines essay writing space shuttle propulsion system research found clumsy checks tests launch safety hazards sitting hydrogen bomb beefs current space shuttle program propulsion send ideas terry ford carleton nepean ontario canada 
orion drive vacuum organization toronto zoology lines article leigh palmer writes high explosive orion prototype flew atmosphere diego back feel film experiment national space museum prototype film years prototype display film continuously repeating work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
orbital repairstation organization toronto zoology lines article collins steve collins writes difficulties high include solar replace arrays trip current technology assuming solar photovoltaic solar dynamic power turbo alternators problem drag higher efficiency trivial solar plants altitude replace rest electronics fairly invest substantial amounts mass shielding nuclear power sources strongly restricted international treaty references treaties proposed negotiated signed work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
update organization mystery spot reply dragon lines henry toronto henry spencer writes flight hover demonstrate vertical landing payload carry kind hover test networks carry john lussmyer dragon mystery spot royal 
orion drive vacuum xxmessage xxdate organization simon fraser university useragent nuntius lines article henry spencer henry toronto writes national space museum prototype film years prototype display film continuously repeating great visit national space museum month wife working general atomic time netnews enriched life leigh 
nasa wraps organization evil geniuses tomorrow lines article wingo cspara decnet msfc nasa writes care told generally true single line item contract sign thing wrap university dennis worked written proposals worth tens millions customers included government including nasa profit profit companies expected wrap called work involved allocating costing work subcontractors subcontractors universities profits profits nasa centers commercialization space charged fees part work street nasa commercialization centers charge competent engineer dennis lack experience areas posts show understand importance integration large projects show lack understanding costing efforts shown belief reasonable charge incremental costs flame jsut statement employer charge sounds adding overhead rate costing people project heard suggest president percentage number included overhead dennis simply include overhead seoparate structure change depending customer allen repeated allegations made employee overhead capital nasa integration dennis overhead reston dont cheaper nasa centers work dennis reston nasa agency working reduce costs hemoraging billion centers love cover ignore problem reston place find people interested solving problems building station kinda funny talks problem place overhead experience dennis realize integration overhead single important part successful large scale effort space news artice point congressionally demanded change caused problems methinks selective facts story refer nasa people blamed congress suprise suprise fact remains centers support covered overheads address problems press published story reston managers wrong nasa address overruns approve centers cover overruns takes flights year resupply station cost million flight billion year stated friend reston current station resupply billion year wrap points blatent contridiction numbers understandably fail dennis nasa include transport costs resuply shuttle budget operational costs half transport gang deadline satellite allen math chance hope find time wrong reston problems addressed allen lady astor husband poison coffee churchill madam wife drink days flight 
clementine mission sender newtout lines mark prado step word clementine mining pioneer song cavern canyon excavating mine dwelt miner forty niner daughter clementine chorus darling darling darling clementine lost forever darling clementine explained confirmed reliable data source clementine acronym combined lunar elemental mapper experiment extended terrestrial intercept earth personally acronym made acronym wales larrison space technology investor maximus 
space clipper launch article sender newtout lines thought find amusing march aero vision newsletter employees mcdonnell douglas aerospace huntington beach california space clippers launched successfully monday march noon quest aerospace education launched space clippers mall cafeteria rocket launched bill gaubatz director ssto program manager force captain spalding staff gisburne represents force space command requested sdio assess potential military operational rocket launches successful floated ground cafeteria building landed roof cafeteria quest space clipper flying model rocket mcdonnell douglas semi scale model mcdonnell douglas delta clipper estimated maximum altitude feet space clippers educational settings teach mathematics science social studies applications space clipper space clipper outfit includes needed launches individual rockets hobby shops calling endorsement product advertisement product make claims product posted public information found amusing repeat included mdssc huntington beach newsletter wales larrison space technology investor maximus 
lrdpa news sender newtout lines point copy lunar resources data purchase bill back moon bill authorize government purchase lunar science data private profit vendors selected basis competitive bidding aggregate awards million copy bill legalese contained federal legislation free resource evaluate bill local congressional office listed phone book staffed people forward copy bill legal experts simply supporting lunar resources data purchase feedback negative positive congressional office forward david anderman yorba linda blvd fullerton mail david anderman fidonet resource local chapter national space society members chapter happy work evaluate support back moon bill address telephone number nearest chapter send mail check latest issue astra library finally requested received information back moon bill send request database bill recently corrupted information lost authors bill patience maximus 
talking boeing management ssto type stuff shareholder perspective organization netcom online communications services login guest lines suggest giving management mumble time leading question parts long term expectations space market projects specifically funding internal funds levels competition expect area point worth hitting upper management gently hard good case competion 
venus lander venus conditions organization netcom online communications services login guest lines doubt good prospects armoring system venus surface conditions hundred degrees high pressure possibly sulfuric nitric acids oxides notion outer planets pick ices extream upper atmosphere conditions buying deeper penetration nice creative idea unlikly worthy thinking 
wanted optical shaft encoders telescope nntp posting host organization university massachusetts boston lines posted misc forsale wanted misc wanted wanted wanted wanted wanted optical shaft encoders quantity single ended incremental needed encode movements cassegrain telescope telescope observatory univ mass boston project managed george tucker graduate student call email call type encoder funding level price sufficiently lower encoders george tucker sugarman univ home standard disclaimer boston massachusetts 
atlas revisited organization netcom online communications services login guest distribution lines found interesting atlas depended pressure maintain tank geometry leads question ssto concepts explored pressurized tankage launch configuration significantly reentry long facinated pnumatic structures conceived built frei otto ballon tank ssto sounds clever 
ussr reached moon reply gary uucp gary coffman organization destructive testing systems lines article graydon writes turning moonbase good post hundred posts real reason moon base economic space industry presumeably larger space industry eventually simply able afford stuff read essence larger economy nations discretionary funds waste lunar facility partially case apollo real lunar colonies require continuing military scientific commercial reason money approach conceivable luna military purpose luna commercial purpose luna scientific purpose hundred years lunar bases predicated funding levels found antarctic bases person base moon million year grad students gary gary coffman make gatech gary destructive testing systems break uunet rsiatl gary shannon guaranteed emory gary lawrenceville 
army space lines nntp posting host acad alaska organization university alaska fairbanks heard budget farce space command left rest missions generally farce good reason transfer army guard guard hate walking pack back application kitchen worker kitchen police michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
shuttle launch question organization world public access unix brookline distribution lines article abdkw david ward writes article etrat pack writes bothering watching nasa select bothering wondering launch forget clear caution warning memory verify unexpected errors wondering expected error dumb question pure speculation guess cautions based hazardous launch qualify caution srbs armed pure speculation parity errors memory previously conditions waivered error knew problem decided backup handle problem area criticality problem system decided curious real meaning quote 
infinity doppelganger vulcan reply sysmgr message organization akademi university finland news reader news lines sysmgr writes article higgins fnal bill higgins beam jockey writes journey side united states doppelganger live action series space astronomy lousy lifting body spacecraft vtol airliners mighty portugese launch complex wonderful space effects remain rate today recycled models theme music concepts showed space andersons shed reputation creators worst pseudo scientific shows history flying infinity thing part educational series tomorrow anderson episode dealt spaceship capable reaching speed light lightship altares crew eventually journeyed black hole ended side galaxy year back space guess easily satisfied days infinity released video space shows thunderbirds england marcu software engineering military intelligence sysmgr 
space debris organization university denver dept math comp lines nasa johnson space center answer question follow keesler loftus potter stansbery kubriek 
orion test film reply wallacen colostate nntp posting host colostate organization colorado state university computer science dept lines film putt putt test vehicle conventional explosives proof concept test nathan wallace reality mail wallacen colostate ancient alphaean proverb 
japanese moon landing temporary orbit organization nspc lines article cacs phil fraering writes uiuc swartz writes gravity maneuvering exploit fuzzy regions inventor exploiting order perturbations body system probe launched region earth moon system perturbations affected lunar orbit large expenditures fuel slow idea natural objects captured expending fuel find trajectory makes originator technique nasa interested japan probe small hold fuel deceleration post title thread practical temporary orbits temporary orbit phil fraering find sorts stuff cacs ancient mayans televison repo interested orbits obtained find paper hiroshi yamakawa ichiro kawaguchi nobuaki ishii hiroki matsuo numerical study gravitational capture orbit earth moon system aiaa spaceflight mechanics meeting colorado springs colorado references included paper interesting include specific hiten mission steven davis daviss nasa mcdonnell douglas represent space systems company houston division 
shuttle launch question organization smithsonian astrophysical observatory cambridge distribution lines article tombaker baker article etrat pack writes clear caution warning memory verify unexpected errors wondering expected error dumb question parity errors memory previously conditions waivered error knew curious real meaning quote understanding expected errors basically bugs warning system software things checked values till launch suchlike code possibly introduce bugs crew warning liftoff ignore jonathan 
nasp distribution organization boeing center huntsville lines pertinent report united states general accounting office national aero space plane restructuring future research development efforts december report number nsiad back lists related reports nasp issues facing program nsiad aerospace plane technology efforts japan australia nsiad aerospace plane technology efforts europe july nsiad aerospace technology technical data information foreign test facilities nsiad investment foreign aerospace vehicle research technological development efforts nsiad nasp technology development demonstration program build nsiad inside back cover ordering information copy report free orders calling dani dani eder meridian investment company athens location 
dspse clementine reply nasa organization barrios technology nasa houston lines sdio contracted naval research laboratory clementine mission call dspse deep space project science experiment building spacecraft designing detailed mission integration operations goddard prob folks left tamp trajectory analysis mission planning team responsable traj goddard designing sdio reasons safety constraints tight lidar radiation data sensors data passages allen belts piggy back general science intercept problem easied long distances long times things forgotten told reasons talk blackshear nasa 
comet temporary orbit jupiter organization softquad toronto canada lines questions answered previous instance gehrels mentioned earlier posting orbital elements comet dance files omega epoch information assume semi major axis eccentricity peri helion aphelion jupiter temporary capture means comet ended orbit closer jupiter rough indication jupiter jupiter influence perihelions gehrels april jupiter radii august jupiter radii jupiter radius figure perijove case figure mark brader softquad toronto remember golgafrinchans utzoo pete granger article public domain 
infinity doppelganger vulcan organization university california santa cruz lines nntp posting host ucsc summary keywords cheesy science fiction article mlindroos marcus lindroos writes andersons shed reputation creators worst pseudo scientific shows history flying infinity thing part educational series tomorrow anderson episode dealt spaceship capable reaching speed light lightship altares crew eventually journeyed black hole ended side galaxy year back space guess easily satisfied days beginning made remember movie hours long ended universe remember message halfway proxima centauri earth transmitted launched timed catch halfway point thought neat time infinity released video space shows thunderbirds england space episodes released american stores infinity show thought show called tomorrow blow fire wind care smoke eyes growly dragon monster bafta ucsc shari brooks brooks nasa opinions solely 
give billion year long moon residents organization macinteresteds nashville lines continuin talk space complaints government large cost read work announce reward billion corporation successfully person alive moon year inexpensive popular technologies begin developed kind space race gene raider gene wright theporch raider macinteresteds nashville 
navstar positions reply thomas enblom ericsson organization ericsson telecom lines nntp posting host ericsson read richard langley latest navstar constellation status states latest satellite orbit plane position satellite position years satellite launched operation place satellite position empty measure complete constellation thomas ericsson telecom stockholm sweden thomas enblom employee 
buzz aldrin race space organization netcom line communication services guest lines heard played buzz aldrin race space expected released 
diaspar virtual reality network announcement organization public access unix denver math dept lines posted internet wmiler david lunar tele operation model david mitchell march introduction order increase public interest space based lunar operations real miniature lunar environment constructed test tele operated models models remotely controlled individuals located world wide personal computers edutainment purposes provide test simple tele operation tele presence activities sharing information methods operating space including limited layout lunar colony tele operating machines work play disseminating educational information providing contests awards creativity achievement students worldwide participate twenty century remote learning methods nature project people ages interests skills contribute scenery murals models structures interfacing electronics software graphics operation evolving playground laboratory children students professionals worldwide personal computer home terminal participating institution user able tele operate real models base experimental recreational purposes real facility exists ample opportunity provided media coverage construction lunar model operation features added suggested users broad inherent interest wide range groups tele operations virtual reality research radio control model railroad radio operation astronomy space planetariums science centers theater online network users software game developers manufacturers retailers model rockets cars trains children child design room feet feet base lunar layout walls murals distant moon mountains star fields view earth floor simulated lunar surface global call contributions made material lunar surface design creation scale models lunar colony elements scenery machine lets initial design tele operated machinelets ssto scale model able lift hover land bulldozerlet able move quarry area moon train traverse simulated lunar surface machinelet small camera utilizing chip mounted personal computer digitizes image including reducing picture content data compression minimal images operator control purposes return control signals machinelet moon train model trains cameras built shelf items control electronics starting stopping train minimal user receive image seconds depending speed data link ssto scale model chip suspended servo motor operated wire frame mounted ceiling allowing ssto controlled operator hover entire lunar landscape land finally tank models modified chip equipped bulldozerlets entire initial remote operators worldwide receive minimal images operating models landing takeoff traveling work entire system based commercially items parts easily obtained interface electronics capability advanced radio operator computer hardware software developers taking graphically oriented communications program dmodem adding tele operations screen controls user interface provided hours plan action diaspar virtual reality network agreed sponsor project providing host computer network internet access network diaspar providing foot foot facility actual construction lunar model diaspar stock electronic tanks modified chip diaspar agrees provide rail stock lunar train model diaspar make dmodem graphical communications package modify control machines lets initial ground breaking miniature shovels performed live photo session news conference april initial models place time lapse record started historical purposes expected event completely solemn lunar colony declared open additional building operations experiments photographer present photographs converted images distribution world wide major online networks press release issued calling contributions ideas time talent materials scale models simulated lunar colony contest designs techniques working moon announced universities invited participate goal find instructors class participation aspects lunar colony model field trips arranged time results class work added model contributors able tele operate contributed machine lets return campus monthly newsletter issued electronically online conventional means media major tele operated equipment addition marked invitation television news media large real model space colony attractive photo opportunity television community action controlled people world science fiction writers invited issue challenges engineering human factors students universities build operate tele operated equipment perform lunar tasks counter weight pulley systems gravity simulated extent traction challenges long term goal creating world wide interest education experimentation remote operation lunar colony potential long term global edutainment method space activities generic teach explore subject areas limited space edutainment facilitates kind spirit lead generation people ready leap stars conclusion edutainment blending education entertainment enjoyed miniatures potential impact globally layout recreation education experimentation purposes creating tele operated model lunar colony create world wide publicity method ideas require real virtual skills open method putting people minds space moonlighters illuminating path knowledge space lunar development people engaged parts work david dash hyson jzer vril wyatt dark tiggertoo hatter robin jogden join discussion friday night midnight diaspar virtual reality network ideas internet telnet diaspar voice email inquiries project leader jzer directly jzer diaspar 
orion drive vacuum nntp posting host organization usenet speak reply address fredriksson wins lines leigh palmer writes feel film experiment film memory faulty remember vehicle slightly meter long thick baseplate diameter narrative propelled dynamite sticks detonations coming flight altitude order hard judge urban fredriksson 
comet temporary orbit jupiter lines organization memorial university john nfld canada article mark brader writes questions answered previous instance gehrels mentioned earlier posting orbital elements comet dance files omega epoch perihelions gehrels april jupiter radii august jupiter radii jupiter radius figure perijove case figure perijoves talking language john garland jgarland 
orbital repairstation organization evil geniuses tomorrow lines article henry toronto henry spencer writes biggest problem orbits alike expensive reach satellite orbit ground cheaper fuel space based sources cheaper reach orbits ground remember presence repair supply facility adds space satellite orbit reached ready source supply make cheaper gain benefit economies scale allen lady astor husband poison coffee churchill madam wife drink days flight 
nasa wraps organization university houston lines distribution world nntp posting host judy news software vnews article allen sherzer writes article wingo cspara decnet msfc nasa writes care told generally true single line item contract sign thing wrap university dennis worked written proposals worth tens millions customers included government including nasa profit profit companies expected wrap called work involved allocating costing work subcontractors subcontractors universities profits profits nasa centers commercialization space charged fees part work street nasa commercialization centers charge totally forgot original post posted allen post stated wrap addition overhead geez post finally admit true competent engineer dennis lack experience areas posts show understand importance integration large projects show lack understanding costing efforts shown belief reasonable charge incremental costs flame jsut statement buns find working integration simply hominum attack employer charge administration geez allen organization costs heck difference legitimate costs libraries things support program wrap originally stated stated wrap overhead couple sentences true allen sounds adding overhead rate costing people project heard suggest president percentage number included overhead dennis simply include overhead seoparate structure change depending customer posted subject allen state wrap overhead seperate charge admit wrong nasa line item budget year allen numbers detailed nasa budget wrap numbers howl high heaven barking wind allen repeated allegations made employee overhead capital nasa integration dennis overhead reston dont cheaper nasa centers work integration centers apollo integration msfc turn philosophy reston totally wrong allen bunch people completely removed work oversee work worked large scale project imagine reston apollo dennis reston nasa agency working reduce costs hemoraging billion centers love cover ignore problem reston place find people interested solving problems building station full allen agree screwed responsible screw people caused replaced make stupid statement shows deep bias msfc couple weeks find wrong people matter facts contrary kinda funny talks problem place overhead experience dennis realize integration overhead single important part successful large scale effort agree integration single important part successful large scale effort completly disagree seperating integration function people work called leadership allen made apollo work final responsibility success apollo held people leadership responsibility organization reston people move msfc year reston finally problem site part process problem hand place heck allen thing project successful leadership remember turn reston program shambles years lack responsibility leadership programs problem lack leadership white house congress reston nasa symptom greater national problem narrowly focused efforts space news artice point congressionally demanded change caused problems methinks selective facts story refer nasa people blamed congress suprise suprise fact remains centers support covered overheads address problems press published story reston managers wrong nasa address overruns approve centers cover overruns located happened place takes flights year resupply station cost million flight billion year stated friend reston current station resupply billion year wrap points blatent contridiction numbers understandably fail dennis nasa include transport costs resuply shuttle budget operational costs half transport gang deadline satellite allen math chance hope find time wrong reston problems addressed time reitereate timet leadership reston site problem happened totally ignoring lack leadership congress headed hydra grown nasa true problem agency change question suit bias indicative position dennis university alabama huntsville 
biosphere reply nicho disclaimer posting represents poster views news software ureply nicho lines writes article nicho writes writes critical bogus science promoted real science sorta large engineering project science project bingo bench science large scale attempt create series micro ecologies eveil evil actual harm represent files strings greg nicholls nicho business nicho demon private 
biosphere reply nicho disclaimer posting represents poster views news software ureply nicho lines writes work privately funded data belongs george fred scoriating research division releasing data publish plenty kiddo files strings greg nicholls nicho business nicho demon private 
sixty thousand read space organization evil geniuses tomorrow lines article higgins fnal bill higgins beam jockey writes reid alas measure power influence readers mark largely result efforts people reading group writing letters making phone calls happened nasa reprogrammed funds nasp alive efforts kill ssrt progam twarted june year gouldin spite heavy lobbying mark thinking shows readers space power influence allen lady astor husband poison coffee churchill madam wife drink days flight 
astronomy program organization university helsinki lines article datadec kevin marcus writes public domain shareware astronomy programs time locate planets nebulae site star programs choose anonymous funet astro stars solar amiga atari veikko 
ussr reached moon reply gary uucp message originator nickh nntp posting host snow organization school computer science carnegie mellon university lines article gary uucp gary coffman writes article graydon writes turning moonbase good post hundred posts real reason moon base economic space industry presumeably larger space industry eventually simply able afford stuff read essence larger economy nations discretionary funds waste lunar facility partially case apollo real lunar colonies require continuing military scientific commercial reason money approach point money spent lunar base wasted moon bills fuel moon dozers money fund lunar base spent country base belonged funding high tech research darpa good excuse fund fields research pretense crucial defense country esprit good excuse fund research pretense good european cooperation government funded research waste money fact pretty count investment spending boost economy size multiplier nick haines nickh 
shuttle launch question reply harvard message originator nickh nntp posting host snow organization school computer science carnegie mellon university distribution lines article harvard jonathan mcdowell writes understanding expected errors basically bugs warning system software things checked values till launch suchlike code possibly introduce bugs crew warning liftoff ignore good grief thought shuttle software engineered case member programming team shot heard shuttle software rated level maturity strongly doubt case nick haines nickh 
give billion year long moon residents organization nasa space shuttle program office newsreader version lines gene wright gene raider wrote announce reward billion corporation successfully person alive moon year inexpensive popular technologies begin developed kind space race advocate idea funding space station work throw billion figure reward suggest increase lunar reward billion encourage private industry invest space nasa primary goals jenks nasa space shuttle program office kjenks nasa faster cheaper daniel goldin nasa administrator 
orion drive vacuum organization propulsion laboratory nasa caltech lines distribution world reply nasa nntp posting host euclid nasa article leigh palmer writes article henry spencer henry toronto writes national space museum prototype film years prototype display film continuously repeating great visit national space museum month wife working general atomic time netnews enriched life damper plans weeks combed space exhibits pretty caught attention instantly news peter scott nasa caltech brain news questions nasa 
vast bandwidth runs nasa thread nasa wraps reply wingo cspara decnet msfc nasa message originator nickh nntp posting host snow organization school computer science carnegie mellon university lines article dennis writes zillion lines response article allen wrote zillion lines response article dennis wrote zillion lines response allen email talk politics space flame music poppies patrol space thread lost scientific content moons nick haines nickh 
orion drive vacuum organization toronto zoology lines article nasa writes national space museum prototype film years prototype display great visit national space museum month damper plans weeks combed space exhibits pretty caught attention instantly prominent recall possibly longer display nasm museums stuff display rotate displays occasionally work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
conference manned lunar exploration crystal city organization express access online communications greenbelt lines distribution nntp posting host access digex blurb manned lunar exploration confernce crystal city virginia auspices aiaa attend 
space clippers launched added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines space clippers launched successfully thought headline star pliers found recently wire cutters built tommy mcwilliams radius vision increases circumference mystery grows 
magellan update organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host kelvin nasa keywords magellan news software vnews forwarded doug griffith magellan project manager magellan status report april magellan mission venus continues gathering gravity data measurement density variations upper mantle correlated surface topography spacecraft performance nominal magellan completed orbits venus days cycle start transition experiment significant activities expected week preparations aerobraking continue schedule monday morning april moon occult venus interrupt tracking magellan minutes baalke baalke nasa propulsion telos aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar part vegetable 
space class teachers chicago organization motorola distribution nntp posting host lines posting friend internet access inquire phone number address listed space teaching newest frontier sponsored planetary studies foundation planetary studies foundation sponsoring week class teachers called space teaching newest frontier class held sheraton suites grove illinois june june participants complete program earn semester hours graduate credit aurora college note class intended teachers restricted teachers class cosponsored united states space foundation teach space exploration teaching tool students excited learning interested science classroom topics covered class include living space space shuttle space station nasa spinoffs benefit society principles astrodynamics aeronautics solar system simulated training underwater space station simulation model rocket launches observing sessions harper college observatory field trips adler planetarium museum science industry featured speakers include jerry brown colorado based united states space foundation debbie brown nasa lewis research center cleveland ohio additional instructors provided planetary studies foundation social highlight class dinner banquet featuring space shuttle payload specialist byron lichtenberg president payload systems lichtenberg member crew flew november banquet scheduled thursday june registration includes transportation field trips materials continental breakfasts lunches special dinner banquet guest tickets dinner banquet additional charge receive hours graduate credit additional information class contact science learning center write planetary studies foundation algonquin palatine dennis newkirk dennisn comm motorola land mobile products sector schaumburg 
soviet space book organization virginia public education network richmond lines received copies cosmonautics cosmonautics soviet space space station handbook aerospace ambassadors problem ready material huntsville include printout inquiry george hastings ghasting space science teacher mathematics science center stareach hartman street office richmond science 
space nets organization virginia public education network richmond lines spacenews views stareach local operation running wwiv software capability link canada wwivnet started couple months subscribed boards added news articles internet nasa sites variety aerospace related periodicals fair amount questions space topics students access system george hastings ghasting space science teacher mathematics science center stareach hartman street office richmond science 
give billion year long moon residents article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska article gene raider gene wright writes continuin talk space complaints government large cost read work announce reward billion corporation successfully person alive moon year inexpensive popular technologies begin developed kind space race gene raider gene wright theporch raider macinteresteds nashville true friends pool resources make prize kind liek solar race australia game contest michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
give billion year long moon residents article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska article kjenks nasa writes gene wright gene raider wrote announce reward billion corporation successfully person alive moon year inexpensive popular technologies begin developed kind space race advocate idea funding space station work throw billion figure reward suggest increase lunar reward billion encourage private industry invest space nasa primary goals jenks nasa space shuttle program office kjenks nasa faster cheaper daniel goldin nasa administrator russians involved resources part capital goal renting russians resources disqualification michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
space debris nntp posting host rintintin colorado organization university colorado boulder lines nasa langley give greatly rich earth cradle mind live forever cradle tsiolkovski father russian astronautics 
conference manned lunar exploration crystal city organization nasa ames research center distribution lines digex writes blurb manned lunar exploration confernce crystal city virginia auspices aiaa attend mail aiaa cost speakers include john pike hohn young pryke 
conference manned lunar exploration crystal city organization nspc distribution lines article digex writes blurb manned lunar exploration confernce crystal city virginia auspices aiaa attend selected excerpts invitation registration form retyped permission typo mine cost lunar access conference explore means benefits rejuvenated human lunar program friday hyatt regency crystal city hotel arlington conference cost lunar access conference forum exchange ideas initiate structure affordable human lunar program inherent cost programs principle implemented rapidly meet objectives short time frame deleted conference program preliminary washington room opening remarks alan lovelace keynote address brian dailey policy outlook john pike american federation scientists discussion prospects introduction cost lunar initiative view uncertain direction space program taking noon morning plenary sessions presentations architectures systems operational concepts emphasis mission approaches produce significant advancements apollo judged affordable present severely constrained budgets potomac room lunch guest speaker john young nasa special assistant astronaut washington room international policy outlook pryke invited washington office prevailing situation respect international space commitments insights preconditions european entry agreements required cooperative lunar program afternoon plenary sessions presentations scientific objectives benefits applications emphasis scientific technological lunar program timeliness registration form mail address american institute aeronautics astronautics dept washington register site aiaa annual meeting friday morning sounds interesting steven davis daviss nasa mcdonnell douglas represent space systems company houston division 
space station radio commercial organization nasa gsfc greenbelt maryland lines political cultural item radio station wgms washington classical music station large audience high officials elected imagine radio station advertises mercedes benzes diamond jewelry expensive resorts truthfully trident submarines morning heard commercial space station project catch advertiser guess pulling stops chuck divine 
science news article federal organization nasa gsfc greenbelt maryland lines pointer article current science news article federal funding briefly shifted gaining current competitive advantage things military work commercial utility chuck divine 
give billion year long moon residents organization university southern california angeles lines distribution world nntp posting host article nsmca alaska writes article gene raider gene wright writes continuin talk space complaints government large cost read work announce reward billion corporation successfully person alive moon year inexpensive popular technologies begin developed kind space race gene raider gene wright theporch raider macinteresteds nashville true friends pool resources make prize kind liek solar race australia game contest michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked billion dollars cover cost feasability study happy happy peter schaefer 
call wizard position tandem cupertino nntp posting host organization tandem computers incorporated cupertino lines responses interviews interesting responders case posting overlooked incredibly talented person culpa posting mike special tandem computers software wizard architect implement fault tolerant generalized instrumentation subsystem part proprietary operating system kernel kernel kernel proprietary loosely coupled parallel message based operating system kernel wide connectivity open standards individual contributor role work developers working components transaction management facility background encompass categories excellent category math working knowledge statistics real analysis experimental physics chemistry engineering category working knowledge telemetry issues time series autocorrelation statistical correlation data streams category integration test instrumentation systems test payloads flight modules category software engineering programming skills algorithms systems software techniques send resume mike fleice tandem computers ridgeview cupertino mail fleice mike 
conference manned lunar exploration crystal city organization fermi national accelerator laboratory lines distribution nntp posting host fnalf fnal article daviss nasa davis writes article digex writes blurb manned lunar exploration confernce crystal city virginia auspices aiaa attend selected excerpts invitation registration form retyped permission typo mine typing steven sounds fall back regroup strategy session wanted copy brochure arrived flattering cover letter invitations extended demonstrated strong committment space program development influential advancement sincerely hope able attend contributions conquest space convinced send letter hope decide eyes ears bill higgins moon fermilab moon bill engfer higgins fnal moon higgins bitnet woman moon bill higgins 
science news article federal organization fermi national accelerator laboratory lines nntp posting host fnalf fnal article xrcjd gsfc nasa charles divine writes pointer article current science news article federal funding briefly shifted gaining current competitive advantage things military work commercial utility chuck divine gulp disclaimer opinion mine represent views fermilab universities research association department energy ward regular science fiction organization bill higgins fermi national accelerator laboratory bitnet higgins bitnet internet higgins fnal span hepnet higgins 
space debris organization nasa langley research center lines distribution world reply egalon nasa claudio oliveira egalon nntp posting host tahiti larc nasa keesler loftus potter stansbery kubriek gues keesler ring bell involved keesler langley teaching space debris memory reference book subject egalon nasa claudio oliveira egalon 
cold tanks sounding rockets organization stanford center space science astrophysics lines nntp posting host daedalus stanford reply message article lorenz writes size cold roll control thruster tanks sounding rockets work cold make tanks sounding rocket payload telemetry guidance telescope cluster weighs pounds freon jets steering pulse width modulated controller alignment minutes space jets pretty continuously firing duty cycle jets kill residual angular momentum spin stabilization flip payload freon tanks holding liters freon speaking memory flight ground crew wsmr choose freon based black magic algorithm extra tank modules bolt payload stack give idea order magnitude cold quantity send email touch ground crew people cheers craig drink soap dilute dilute 
stereo planets organization california state university sacramento lines find stereo images planetary planetary satellite surfaces gifs preferred interested stereos surfaces phobos deimos mars moon order 
give billion year long moon residents reply gene raider message nntp posting host organization burdett buckeridge young melbourne australia lines article gene raider gene wright writes announce reward billion corporation successfully person alive moon year offer problem keeping alive highly involve lunar environment dear freighter landed roof acme base died gosh leaves oldest residents quick boss slime yoyodyne back time tank guns imagine sorts technologies developed sort environment greg kidding problem winner takes prizes encourages sorts undesirable behaviour witness military procurement programs small reward encourage expensive high risk proposition gregory bond burdett buckeridge young melbourne australia knox slick knox knox quick plays lots sick apologies john iron mackin 
conference manned lunar exploration crystal city distribution organization university illinois urbana lines digex writes blurb manned lunar exploration confernce crystal city virginia auspices aiaa attend good summary posted wanted comment remeber reading comment general dynamics tied connection proposal early manned landing rember heard fairly reputable angle hrumph send josh hopkins uiuc find make attributed hannibal 
biosphere organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex article nicho writes writes work privately funded data belongs george fred scoriating research division releasing data publish plenty kiddo publish data publish scoriates cases research publishes plenty ended nobel prizes years projects deemed company confidential bell labs lots stuff private karamankars algorithm private moeny entitled pleases bounds keepers temple science shove pointy heads conically shaped posterior orifices read article karl fehrabend 
addresses originator jmcocker ncsu reply jmcocker ncsu mitch organization north carolina state university project lines mailing addresses companies specifically addresses personnel offices bureau companies amroc orbital sciences corp spacehab seattle part space industries houston space enterprises point direction appreciative prefer email response post summary sufficient interest exists mitch jmcocker ncsu 
give billion year long moon residents lines article gregory bond writes article gene raider gene wright writes announce reward billion corporation successfully person alive moon year offer problem keeping alive highly involve lunar environment dear freighter landed roof acme base died gosh leaves oldest residents quick boss slime yoyodyne back time tank guns imagine sorts technologies developed sort environment greg kidding problem winner takes prizes encourages sorts undesirable behaviour witness military procurement programs small reward encourage expensive high risk proposition gregory bond burdett buckeridge young melbourne australia hangar judy rockets attic lunar program sounds good play game reasonable reward companies reasonable shot pulling feat budget reward time limit straight cash money award throw exclusive mining rights fifty years idea play clue answers freebairn refuses understand math checkbook figured 
double sonic booms originator news nntp posting host luma princeton organization princeton university lines time read shuttle landing mention double sonic booms relevant classes ideas convincing time pheneomenon constant supersonic shockwave constantly produced plane hear carlos niederstrasser things infinite princeton planetary society universe human stupidity einstein carlosn princeton space princeton astra ardua nostra 
magellan update organization utrecht university dept computer science keywords magellan lines baalke nasa baalke writes forwarded doug griffith magellan project manager magellan status report april magellan completed orbits venus days cycle start transition experiment missed info transition experiment monday morning april moon occult venus interrupt tracking magellan minutes loss data magellan transmit data nasa connection magellan forward curious funding goverment funding jurriaan utrecht netherlands 
research organization dynamic graphics lines distribution nntp posting host opus writing science fiction script answers questions moon earth starting point impossible situation checked professor berkeley response helpful happen enjoy playing unusual ideas answer questions contact mail jennise extremely annoyed screen tele plays ignore basic facts computers determined scientifically accurate vague protect idea ready sell jennise 
research addendum organization dynamic graphics lines distribution nntp posting host opus forgot sight news weeks kind responses directly jennise jennise 
riane mission data organization university denver dept math comp lines arianespace flight flight originally intended carry hughes series galaxy satellite payload withdrawn prior flight ariane launch scheduled place astra arsene satellites improved geostationary transfer orbit inclination reduced degrees apogee altitude increased launch ariane configuration liquid strap boosters launched newly refurbished ariane launch complex kourou french guiana launch vehicle performance requirement mission represents satellite mass total vehicle mass liftoff required orbit characteristics perigee altitude apogee altitude injection inclination degrees ariane lift flight scheduled thursday april launch window kourou time washington launch vehicle ariane stage liquid fueled launcher liquid fueled strap boosters stage built aerospatiale powered liquid fueled viking engines stage built erno powered single viking engine viking engines manufactured stages biliquid fuel stage built aerospatiale powered cryogenic fueled engine built strap boosters powered viking engine built biliquid fuel stages fully assembled launch vehicle stands meters high type ariane short payload fairing flight profile liquid strap booster jettison stage separation stage ignition fairing jettison stage separation stage ignition stage shutdown orbit injection astra separation cyclade adapter separation arsene separation ariane mission payloads astra spacecraft fleet societe europeenne satellites broadcast direct homes europe built hughes launched ariane total mass lift mass insertion mass board power life nominal lifetime years span solar panels orbit position degrees east africa transmission capacity channels band transponders flight operations solar array deployment days lift apogee motor firings hours lift apogee arsene spacecraft built european space industry benefit world amateur radio community total mass lift mass insertion mass board power life nominal lifetime years spacecraft dimensions orbital parameters inclination period transmission capacity band transponder launch coverage ariane missions broadcast live satellite kourou coverage begins minutes launch continues payloads deployed mission carried galaxy galaxy satellite european satellite ariane coverage dean adams 
stereo planets lines nntp posting host acad alaska organization university alaska fairbanks article arthurc sfsu arthur chandler writes find stereo images planetary planetary satellite surfaces gifs preferred interested stereos surfaces phobos deimos mars moon order ames nasa subdirectory thou michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked area space info 
give billion year long moon residents reply nicho disclaimer posting represents poster views news software ureply nicho lines tffreeba iupui writes play game reasonable reward companies reasonable shot pulling feat budget reward time limit straight cash money award throw exclusive mining rights fifty years idea cash award time limit nice give mining rights assuming mine files strings greg nicholls nicho business nicho demon private 
give billion year long moon residents organization evil geniuses tomorrow lines article schaefer peter schaefer writes announce reward billion corporation successfully person alive moon year billion dollars cover cost feasability study happy happy depends assume existance working ssto billion quarter million pounds stuff moon mass send equipment make transfer vehicle send needed prize warrent developing ssto vehicle exists allen lady astor husband poison coffee churchill madam wife drink days flight 
moon colony prize race billion total lines nntp posting host acad alaska organization university alaska fairbanks prize classes large corp small corp company based reported earnings large government small governemtn political clout large organization planetary society small organization alot small orgs organization things profit liek means prize larger basically make prize total purse billion divided amngst class winners fair seperate organization monitor events umpire watch safety violations peopel risk thier lives ideas michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
read space netnews organization trystro system lines article mark maimone writes article mark prado permanet mark prado writes space internet feed cryptic internet feed feed kudos mark generous offer exists large email based forwarding system space posts space digest mirrors space simple communication mark talking making people email place boston area space feed honest gosh uucp weird offline malreaders hand logins boston chapter forgetting attend questions comments space request isunet mark maimone phone carnegie mellon computer science email richard nickle rick uucp trystro rick somerville massachusetts 
ussr reached moon lines article gary uucp gary coffman article graydon writes turning moonbase good post hundred posts real reason moon base economic space industry presumeably larger space industry eventually simply able afford stuff read essence larger economy nations discretionary funds waste lunar facility partially case apollo real lunar colonies require continuing military scientific commercial reason money approach assuming moon base makes profit larger leads able spend money military including gosh space stuff assuming profitable paying conceivable luna military purpose luna commercial purpose luna scientific purpose hundred years lunar bases predicated funding levels found antarctic bases person base moon million year grad students able couple centuries significant commerical activity moon graydon 
update organization evil geniuses tomorrow lines article schumach richard schumacher writes orbital version suitable reuseable sounding rocket today suitable followon sdio funds reusable sounding rocket sdio goal ghod thought spacelifter bastard reports favorable insiders bush briefing people paying public support critical politics constant pressure elected officials allen lady astor husband poison coffee churchill madam wife drink days flight 
update organization evil geniuses tomorrow lines article dragon writes hover test early june networks carry public carry write reach national news media world news tonight face nation west street news york street washington press good morning america rockefeller plaza news york broadway national desk york foreign desk washington bureau larry king live evening news street massachusetts avenue york washington morning larry king show radio street mutual broadcasting york jefferson davis highway arlington christian science monitor publishing society angeles times norway street times mirror square boston angeles macneil lehrer newshour center washington atlanta macneil lehrer newshour wnet washington bureau street massachusetts avenue york washington crossfire news nebraska avenue massachusetts avenue washington washington morning edition things considered national public radio street washington united press international street washington york times news world report street street york washington york times today washington bureau wilson boulevard street floor arlington washington newsweek wall street journal madison avenue liberty street york york nightline washington post news street street washington york nightline washington week review koppel weta news desales washington washington week david brinkley news desales washington time magazine time warner time life building rockefeller center york lady astor husband poison coffee churchill madam wife drink days flight 
jemison star trek organization electrical computer engineering carnegie mellon lines newspaper night jemison black woman space physician chemical engineer flew endeavour year transporter operator star trek generation episode airs week space science interesting doug loss 
russian email contacts reply nsmca alaska message organization national radio astronomy observatory lines reach people institute space research moscow writing ikimail bitnet machine darmstadt germany dedicated phone line machine logs regularly retrieve mail addition user accounts belonging russian scientific institutions commercial enterprise based francisco email services ussr fian physics institute academy sciences initials transliterated russian connections cost russians real dollars received messages send voluminous frivilous larry addario national radio astronomy observatory addresses internet ldaddari charlottesville green bank mail road charlottesville phone office home 
message space digest added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines joint press release paris april joint training satellite applications held italy april united nations european space agency jointly organising training applications satellite data gathered european remote sensing satellite held frascati italy april training discuss applications satellite data natural resources renewable energy environment training organised benefit francophone african experts hosted esrin european space agency establishment frascati responsible coordination users data remote sensing satellite twenty experts field remote sensing selected francophone countries northern western central africa regional african centres attend week session focus remote sensing techniques data applications data satellite developed launched european ariane launcher carries advanced radar instrument series radar remote sensing missions ensure availability data year training increase potential experts practical applications radar remote sensing systems natural resources renewable energy environment emphasis applications geology mineral prospecting oceanography coastal areas agriculture forestry meteorology education practical training programme developed jointly united nations facilities technical support lecturers information documents training provided agency lecturers training include high level experts european african organisations active remote sensing applications funds training provided united nations trust fund renewable sources energy primary contributor fund government italy similar training planned latin american experts 
magellan update organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host kelvin nasa keywords magellan news software vnews article jhwitten jurriaan wittenberg writes baalke nasa baalke writes monday morning april moon occult venus interrupt tracking magellan minutes loss data magellan transmit data gravity data collected real time recorded tape recorder collect gravity orbit real data loss moon blocks transmission short nasa connection magellan forward curious funding goverment funding aerobraking starts expected days funding provided million dollars extend mission high resolution gravity data mission october mission coming july baalke baalke nasa propulsion telos aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar part vegetable 
conference manned lunar exploration crystal city organization fermi national accelerator laboratory lines distribution nntp posting host fnalf fnal article uiuc josh hopkins writes remeber reading comment general dynamics tied connection proposal early manned landing rember heard fairly reputable angle general chairman paul bialla official general dynamics emphasis scaled fast plan people moon impoverished spaceflight funding climate golden opportunity lots precusor work modest money agressive series robot spacecraft hint brochure hrumph send hanging people apparently bill higgins beam jockey writing songs fermilab write song bitnet higgins bitnet makes detroit internet higgins fnal draw cars span hepnet higgins tailfins john prine 
read space nntp posting host prds organization motorola codex lines article sysmgr doug mohney writes article pyron dseg dillon pyron writes henry fred tommy mary yeah real bald headed space baby damn drinking beer robert mcelwane parking mart software engineering military intelligence sysmgr tore kmart house putting suptermarket heard beer drinking ghost haunts place read data sheet nuclear event detector senses gamma radiation pulse nuclear weapon notice 
solar sail data keywords solar sail organization rutherford appleton lines article snydefj auburn writes information projects involving solar sails interesting seminar work space science dept subject specifically small scale solar sail proposed student space project giving talk keen generate interest project typein handout gave meeting microlight solar sail introduction solar sail established concept harnessing pressure sunlight spacecraft unlimited range principle vehicle explore solar system fuel consumption difficult design practical solar sail people realize pressure sunlight kilogram square kilometer deploying controlling large area aluminized fabric transport conventional type spacecraft daunting task potential idea craft launched date design recent advances microelectronics make concept tiny sail metres diameter controlled purely electronics mechanical parts attitude control methods feasible pressure sunlight exerts panel solar cells varies power drawn components craft minute camera developed edinburgh university attitude sensor data gathering device solar cells providing watt power control communication directional radio antenna etched surface sail launched piggyback payload total cost mission limited tens thousands dollars missions craft capable ambitious missions rendezvous nearby asteroid apollo amor groups closeup pictures transmitted back earth rate steered lunar polar orbit previously unobserved areas lunar poles viewed angling sail reflect sunlight polar craters bases receive sunlight imaged bright reflections confirm volatiles water trapped locations immensely valuable information setting manned lunar base rendezvous small asteroid comet nucleus impacting speed thin wire probe attached craft rebound capturing tiny sample sharp edged tube performing biopsy returning earth sail acts ideal entry parachute load unit area ensures heat reradiated efectively sail temperature exceed material sample recovered enclosed small insulating container contact colin jack oxford mathematical designs high street oxford england love hear interested project seeking details happy send information andy andy jonathan broderick rutherford life full mail ajjb bnsc jesus christ 
give billion year long moon residents organization toronto zoology lines article allen sherzer writes prize warrent developing ssto vehicle exists people ssto development privately rate operation optimistic assume working ssto applications development costs inclined make prize larger work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
space activities tucson added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines find space engineering employment educational opportunities tucson arizona area mail responses appreciated mail feed intermittent addresses muniz munizb rwtms decnet rockwell bmuniz remnet munizb rwtms decnet rockwell 
ussr reached moon reply gary uucp gary coffman organization destructive testing systems lines article graydon writes article gary uucp gary coffman conceivable luna military purpose luna commercial purpose luna scientific purpose hundred years lunar bases predicated funding levels found antarctic bases person base moon million year grad students able couple centuries significant commerical activity moon wishful thinking moon site major commercial activity materials cheaper earth asteroids comets semi mythic grade fusion reactors exploring satisfy curiosity itch position gravity earth coupled heat sink capacity offer military utility high ground military weapons systems holds minute commercial space travel cheap tourist attraction everest antarctic minor activity global scope things luna inconvienent gravity field prevent calcium loss muscle atrophy long term genetic drift high micro manufacturing space based colonies factories spun convienent luna modest vacuum solar exposure weeks month orbital sites vacuums continous solar exposure luna offers source light element rocks serve materials heatsink shielding asteroids comets offer sources light heavy elements volatile compounds steep gravity wells delta required reach earth seafloors virtually ignore antarctica continent deal conditions order make buck luna expensive place visit live work easier places pushes lunar development back centuries longer luna main short term place farside radio astronomy observatory shielded noisy earth site laser particle beam linear accelerator weapons system defending earth bombarding case high cost basic science instrument conventional nukes good military earth safe conventional warfare glory watching bunker machines fight continental ranges ultimate profit gary gary coffman make gatech gary destructive testing systems break uunet rsiatl gary shannon guaranteed emory gary lawrenceville 
ussr reached moon reply gary uucp gary coffman organization destructive testing systems lines article nickh nick haines writes article gary uucp gary coffman writes read essence larger economy nations discretionary funds waste lunar facility partially case apollo real lunar colonies require continuing military scientific commercial reason money approach point money spent lunar base wasted moon bills fuel moon dozers money fund lunar base spent country base belonged funding high tech research darpa good excuse fund fields research pretense crucial defense country esprit good excuse fund research pretense good european cooperation government funded research waste money fact pretty count investment spending boost economy size multiplier favor government funded research pump prime basic technologies understand short term high tech welfare programs substitute long range wealth generation commercial enterprise needed maintain healthy economy earth luna long term potential luna bunch factors outline post gary gary coffman make gatech gary destructive testing systems break uunet rsiatl gary shannon guaranteed emory gary lawrenceville 
spacewalk added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines time speculation spacewalk alexei leonov staged fake evidence support contradict claim emerged claim fevered cold hallucination fred baube times intellectual ferment baube advantage intellect include fermented frank zappa paris retrospective time 
moonbase race added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines gene wright continuin talk space complaints government large cost read work announce reward billion corporation successfully person alive moon year inexpensive popular technologies begin developed kind space race imagine couple groups landing weeks year mark starts coming group billion pretty good incentive shot potential winner yeah shame team life support gave close deadline billion hand apollo cost billion days weeks space dollars reward billion takers tommy mcwilliams radius vision increases circumference mystery grows 
level added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines nick haines heard shuttle software rated level maturity strongly doubt lots bugs case level levels heard rating system care clue tommy mcwilliams radius vision increases circumference mystery grows 
orion drive vacuum organization smithsonian astrophysical observatory cambridge lines article henry toronto henry spencer writes national space museum prototype film possibly longer display nasm museums stuff display rotate displays occasionally nasm photo archives open public pictures collection viewing films worth appointments good luck find steve willner phone bitnet willner cambridge internet willner harvard member league programming freedom contact 
moon colony prize race billion total nntp posting host sysk organization starfleet coventry lines article nsmca alaska writes prize classes large corp small corp company based reported earnings large government small governemtn political clout large organization planetary society small organization alot small orgs whatabout schools universities rich individuals people million dollars reecieved mail people claimed person space pound send skinny person space split rest money ground crew organization things profit liek means prize larger basically make prize total purse billion divided amngst class winners fair seperate organization monitor events umpire watch safety violations peopel risk thier lives agreed volunteer attempts clause launch methods dangerous environment usage materials areas planetary importance ideas talk lobby people major problem space programmes talk paperwork action michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked marvin batty find things sort rafia base fathers night clock 
conference manned lunar exploration crystal city distribution organization university illinois urbana lines higgins fnal bill higgins beam jockey writes josh hopkins writes remeber reading comment general dynamics tied connection proposal early manned landing general chairman paul bialla official general dynamics emphasis scaled fast plan people moon impoverished spaceflight funding climate golden opportunity lots precusor work modest money agressive series robot spacecraft hint brochure mention thought vague impression mission proposal taking holistic aproach thing land people moon decade explaining application remember week article placing telescope moon great explain robotically hrumph send hanging people apparently member bill hang josh hopkins uiuc find make attributed hannibal 
solar sail data keywords solar sail organization university illinois urbana lines ajjb bnsc andrew broderick writes article snydefj auburn writes information projects involving solar sails interesting seminar work space science dept subject specifically small scale solar sail proposed student space project giving talk keen generate interest project typein handout gave meeting stuff deleted difficult design practical solar sail people realize pressure sunlight kilogram square kilometer glad working nice units josh hopkins uiuc find make attributed hannibal 
solar sail data organization fermi national accelerator laboratory lines nntp posting host fnalf fnal article snydefj auburn frank snyder writes information projects involving solar sails groups involved project contact world space foundation listed space frequently asked questions file excerpt world space foundation designing building solar sail spacecraft longer similar group employees lend talents project partial funding palomar survey extremely successful search earth asteroids publishes foundation news foundation astronautics notebook quarterly page newsletter contributing associate minimum year money support projects world space foundation post office south pasadena california paperback anthology fiction nonfiction solar sails project solar sail robert staehle david brin arthur clarke listed editor nontechnical book solar sailing louis friedman technical escapes josh expect greg matloff eugene mallove subject starflight handbook references check articles journal british interplanetary society guess matloff visited fermilab gave bunch reprints found file eric drexler paper high performance solar sails related reflecting devices aiaa paper book called space manufacturing proceedings conference space manufacturing rate submarines flying boats robots talking bill higgins pictures radio television bouncing radar fermilab vibrations moon rocket ships higgins bitnet atom splitting time higgins fnal able figure music span higgins holder marching piccolo player meredith willson 
keeping spacecraft funding cuts organization california polytechnic state university luis obispo lines spacecraft shut funding cuts magellan told safe mode stay bobbing venus power mode years funding restored economy turned matter apollo lunar experiments turned safed political bugging congress funds turning pesky scientists bureaucrat hair heard argument active uncontrolled spacecraft radio noise find hard problem properly designed safe mode safe mode program routine spacecraft fuel orientation week month year attempts signal lock earth time funding restored mission continue signal recieved spacecraft back safe mode time period spacecraft contact earth prepared spacecraft attempted contact beam stored data earth receive great lost deal making time signal location generally world able intercept data contact spacecraft spacecraft long life places unaccessible jupiter saturn orbit exiting solar system designing future spacecraft cassini pluto flyby designing pause mode case spacecraft future completion primary mission mars observer galilleo kind routine written post mission drift phase holes james green jgreen calpoly nation commit achieving goal decade landing moon returning safely earth 
commercial mining activities moon organization university rochester lines article gary uucp gary coffman writes site major commercial activity materials cheaper earth asteroids comets semi mythic grade fusion reactors grade fusion reactor major problem difficulty making fusion reactor work concentration lunar regolith small order average fractions small massive amounts regolith processed thread reminds wingo claims time moon source titanium earth recall wingo content assured titanium earth crust average touted lunar mines market price ilmenite concentrate days pound prompted large potential terrestrial sources moon titanium occurs basalts high basalts apollo titanium dioxide weight nice terrestrial continental flood basalts typically enriched titanium frequently weight flood basalts enormous millions cubic kilometers scattered world siberia brazil united states ethiopia basalts trillions tons concentrations factor lunar high basalts difficult disadvantages moon overcome small increase concentration mind richer common terrestrial ores mined today paul dietz dietz rochester 
keeping spacecraft funding cuts organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host kelvin nasa news software vnews article jgreen calpoly james thomas green writes spacecraft shut funding cuts magellan told safe mode stay bobbing venus power mode years funding restored economy turned problem political technical baalke baalke nasa propulsion telos aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar part vegetable 
orion drive vacuum reply agae rochester andres gaeris organization uofr laboratory laser energetics lines nntp posting host palm rochester article willner harvard steve willner writes nasm photo archives open public pictures collection viewing films worth appointments posible make copies photographs aerospace photographs nasm copyright andres gaeris living application newton junior laser fusioneer zeroth agae rochester body rest remain 
comet temporary orbit jupiter robert distribution world organization enterprises sudbury lines jgarland writes perihelions gehrels april jupiter radii august jupiter radii jupiter radius figure perijove case figure perijoves talking language hmm prefix peri greek latin greek form body orbited perihelion perisol perigee periterr pericynthion perilune jupiter expect perizeon robert churchill sudbury massachusetts 
proton centaur organization california polytechnic state university luis obispo lines looked possiblity proton centaur combo benefits problems combo obvious instability xssr james green jgreen calpoly understand realize meant 
commercial mining activities moon organization lick observatory lines nntp posting host topaz ucsc reply dietz rochester message article dietz rochester paul dietz writes article gary uucp gary coffman writes site major commercial activity materials cheaper earth asteroids comets semi mythic grade fusion reactors problem difficulty making fusion reactor work concentration lunar regolith small order average thread reminds wingo claims time moon source titanium earth recall wingo basalts trillions tons concentrations factor lunar high basalts difficult disadvantages moon overcome small increase concentration mind richer common terrestrial ores mined today paul obvious chlorine chemistry banned earth advocated groups prices sharply increase allowed assume developments processing lunar eminently competitive trendy jewelry market applications national importance oops space wrong rules debate flaw gary analysis assumes export oriented economy lunatics native local lunar natives cost effective analysis shown critical providing sheltered manufacturing base technological innovation critical materials manpower allies central powers hundred years steinn sigurdsson shooting stars night lick observatory wished satellites steinly ucsc wrong space hardware standard disclaimer care 
commercial mining activities moon organization university rochester lines article steinly ucsc steinn sigurdsson writes paul obvious chlorine chemistry banned earth advocated groups prices sharply increase allowed assume developments processing lunar eminently competitive trendy jewelry market applications national importance sulfate process purification chlorine process cleaner reason achieving dominance marketplace pigment oxide replaced white lead pigment decades reduced metal flaw gary analysis assumes export oriented economy lunatics native local evades issue lunatics children stay paul dietz dietz rochester 
gifs show organization university illinois urbana lines fils douglas fils writes article diaspar cerf diaspar virtual reality network writes rollout great lots great shots attended press briefing shots model david mitchell david planing scanning posting hope hope hope great report rollout care doug rollout attention news gifs headed wuarchive patrick patrick grady manage humans beginning uiuc time innocently ending uiuc blood hands fathertree bugger card xenocide 
commercial mining activities moon organization lick observatory lines nntp posting host topaz ucsc reply dietz rochester message article dietz rochester paul dietz writes article steinly ucsc steinn sigurdsson writes paul obvious chlorine chemistry banned earth advocated groups prices sulfate process purification chlorine process cleaner reason achieving dominance marketplace darn caught white heat technological progress pigment oxide replaced white lead pigment decades reduced metal spoilsport increasing fashion emphasis anodise jewelry flaw gary analysis assumes export oriented economy lunatics native local evades issue lunatics children stay evade issue stated diabolical foresight establishing sheltered industrial base upcoming great cost effective accounting method steinn sigurdsson lick observatory steinly ucsc standard disclaimer love strange learn crunchy smooth suppose 
give billion year nntp posting host lexus reply dong organization motorola semiconductor products sector lines article toronto henry toronto henry spencer writes article allen sherzer writes prize warrent developing ssto vehicle exists people ssto development privately rate operation optimistic assume working ssto applications development costs inclined make prize larger sounds indecent proposal movie people hope working dough chance costs stooge grand lucky hero send dozen bound survive make rich dong 
vandalizing organization canon information systems research australia lines article physics research opinion friday april washington space billboards spinoffs promised science fiction writer robert heinlein published sold moon involved dispute sale rights moon billboard nasa firsteps hideous vision future observers startled spring nasa launch vehicle arrived schwarzenegger painted huge block letters side booster rockets space marketing arranged promote arnold latest movie space marketing working university colorado livermore engineers plan place mile long inflatable billboard earth orbit nasa provide contractual launch services nasa bases charge flawed cost estimates taxpayers bear expense environmental vandalism mike lawson space marketing told yesterday real purpose project environment platform carry ozone monitors explained advertising defray costs revolting hideous attempt vandalize night april anymore light pollution observations read visible leave night nasa supporting junk protesting groups organized states depressed enzo vincenzo liguori enzo canon canon information systems research australia phone north ryde 
astronomy program organization netcom online communication services guest lines article datadec kevin marcus writes public domain shareware astronomy programs time locate planets nebulae site posted public domain msdos program sunlight astro yesterday easily locates moon planets locate objects input ascesion declination uudecode extract robert sheaffer scepticus maximus sheaffer past chairman area skeptics speak authorized marxism feminism marxism heidi hartmann bridges quoted catharine mackinnon chapter feminist theory state 
solar sail data organization university illinois urbana lines higgins fnal bill higgins beam jockey writes snydefj auburn frank snyder writes information projects involving solar sails groups involved project bill nontechnical book solar sailing louis friedman technical escapes josh presume refer space sailing jerome wright worked solar sails general astronautics furnish ordering info request friedman book called starsailing solar sails interstellar travel planetary society years josh hopkins uiuc find make attributed hannibal 
proton centaur organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex article jgreen calpoly james thomas green writes looked possiblity proton centaur combo proton multi stage rocket stages centaur beating centaur centaur small proton oversize shroud able centaur dennis 
boom whoosh organization university denver dept math comp lines profs chief engineer project humble univ colorado colorado springs love idea inflatable mile long sign neat thing explode bolt westford needle crashing clicks whooshh hear supposedly coincide atlanta olympics fuzzy david fuzzy wells peace earth afspacecom goodwill debris government wdwells uccs sort thing sneakers 
give billion year long moon residents article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska article allen sherzer writes article schaefer peter schaefer writes announce reward billion corporation successfully person alive moon year billion dollars cover cost feasability study happy happy depends assume existance working ssto billion quarter million pounds stuff moon mass send equipment make transfer vehicle send needed prize warrent developing ssto vehicle exists allen lady astor husband poison coffee churchill madam wife drink days flight classes competetors made total purse billion billion depending classes auto racing motocycle racing things michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
keeping spacecraft funding cuts organization express access online communications lines distribution world nntp posting host access digex birds require constant management survival pointing sensor powered burn pointing parabolic antenna venus orbit trash foci elements bird drift hosed cosmic phenomena 
jemison star trek article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska article loss doug loss writes newspaper night jemison black woman space physician chemical engineer flew endeavour year transporter operator star trek generation episode airs week space science interesting doug loss interesting rigth make mention astronaut credits people connect future space present give idea space michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
give billion year organization toronto zoology lines article dong writes inclined make prize larger sounds indecent proposal movie people hope working dough chance costs stooge grand lucky hero send dozen bound survive make rich prize worded carefully demonstrating sustained reliable capability lucky shot work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
moonbase race organization toronto zoology lines article writes hand apollo cost billion days weeks space dollars reward billion takers apollo hard hurry limited technology base government contracts privately government project cuts costs factor work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
sunrise sunset times organization drexel university college engineering philadelphia lines program algorithm compute sunrise sunset times advice wetstein drexel 
vandalizing organization locus computing corporation angeles california lines article enzo canon enzo liguori writes article physics research opinion friday april washington space billboards spinoffs promised light pollution observations read visible leave night nasa supporting junk protesting groups organized states depressed enzo worry space debris mile long inflatable deflate short period time year cleaning sort giant paper orbit advertising nasa friend spent drunken night figuring gold mylar golden arches american fast food organization face moon fortunately sobered morning 
lunar colony race article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska group size preferibly small send human moon habitate human spend earth year moon resupply find atleast billion prize money contest open classes participants mexico state semi challenged university alaska branch team university college institute higher learning make counter challenge challenge school idea atleast russian team prefer technology basic idea moon race solar race acrossed australia atleast basic vein endevour suggestions michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
research organization dynamic graphics lines distribution nntp posting host opus found offers contacting people mail jennise 
spacecraft navigation beacons article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska idea space crafts navigation beacons safe pause mode activated signal space craft manned naviagtion beacon directional plot wierd michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
give billion year long moon residents organization alpha science computer network denver lines apollo program cost billion time dollar worth offer bruce watson wats alphacdc bulletin item extract 
moonbase race organization retro aerospace lines nntp posting host soda berkeley summary billion lesse launch tons million years tons lunar surface tons return vehicle fuel bigger mercury tons leaving fifteen tons habitat year supplies sort mass margins build systems shelf hundred million tops leaves million profit idea push make happen slightly george william herbert retro aerospace 
vandalizing nntp posting host math mathematik bielefeld organization math madhouse bielefeld germany lines article enzo canon enzo liguori writes hideous vision future observers startled spring nasa launch vehicle arrived schwarzenegger painted huge block letters opinion long stuff returns earth revolting hideous attempt vandalize night april anymore turns true time active terrorism unbelievable people selling promises make money guess deserve wiped radiation folks stupidity wins guess true pure numbers depressed planetary citizen hoover hoover schuerkamp hoover bielefeld clear skies fight light pollution 
space station radio commercial organization delco electronics corp lines article xrcjd gsfc nasa charles divine writes political cultural item radio station wgms washington classical music station large audience high officials elected imagine radio station advertises mercedes benzes diamond jewelry expensive resorts truthfully trident submarines morning heard commercial space station project didn catch advertiser guess pulling stops force world crisis escalates scale models plane question sacrificed begin arrive senators congresspersons offices assumed coffee mugs decorative junk earlier spiros spiros triantafyllopoulos delcoelect software technology delco electronics hughes electronics kokomo post armm 
commercial mining activities moon organization shakala clanzen radio network sunnyvale lines dietz rochester paul dietz writes evades issue lunatics children stay paul reason colonies founded charlie prael dante shakala clanzen radio network sunnyvale 
boom whoosh organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host alumni caltech matthew gatech matthew deluca writes article wdwells david fuzzy wells writes hear supposedly coincide atlanta olympics worse city atlanta proposal rent space orbiting billboard caliber people running city telling leering orbit point easier place object orbital altitude place orbital velocity target surface earth delta assuming rockets specific impulses seconds easy produce rocket weight require fuel oxidizer small dispersal charge embedded sand birdshot depending nature structure payload project capability amateur rocketry community sounds good science fair project reduction light pollution applied ballistics part challenge prize discussed billion person spend year moon million erradication orbital eyesore burner wouldpledge person bring astronomers nature lovers plain people good taste likewise gerald bull solution simpler solution gerald bull apply large caliber solution applied gerald bull small caliber david palmer palmer caltech palmer gsfc nasa 
gehrels comet temporary orbit jupiter organization fermi national accelerator laboratory lines nntp posting host fnalf fnal article mark brader writes peri jove gehrels final question gehrels thread issue scientific american article inconstant cosmos photo neil gehrels project scientist nasa compton gamma observatory person guess neil gehrels cgro gehrels university arizona long research interests asteroids solar system astronomy discovered comet attached gehrels leader spacewatch project recently increased mankind discovery rate earth asteroids finding couple month interesting read autobiography glassy asteroids kemp bill higgins hundreds thousands wandering strange fermilab orbits named charted orphans solar higgins fnal system kemp higgins bitnet father moon span hepnet higgins 
spacecraft navigation beacons nntp posting host ngis geod organization dept energy mines resources ottawa lines nsmca alaska writes idea space crafts navigation beacons safe pause mode activated signal space craft manned naviagtion beacon directional plot wierd michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked constellation custom built navigation beacon satellites process phased transit oscar satellites replaced thinking deep space navigation doppler vlbi stellar measurements additional radio beacons dave stephenson geological survey canada ottawa ontario canada internet stephens 
commercial mining activities moon organization computer aided design maryland college park lines reply sysmgr nntp posting host queen article steinly ucsc steinn sigurdsson writes cost effective accounting method sherzer methodology software engineering military intelligence sysmgr 
moonbase race organization computer aided design maryland college park lines reply sysmgr nntp posting host queen article henry toronto henry spencer writes apollo hard hurry limited technology base government contracts privately government project cuts costs factor cost private venture assuming talk government leasing couple pads florida software engineering military intelligence sysmgr 
life mars schiewer inland schiewer organization inland steel company east chicago nntp posting host nntp posting user schiewer lines deal life mars save face heard theories sound thin back mars face agian life theories schiewer internet schiewer inland onward great inland steel uucp uucp inland schiewer stream 
moonbase race organization evil geniuses tomorrow lines article sysmgr writes cost private venture assuming talk government leasing couple pads florida goal cheaper remember government leasing expensive launch ssto launch cheaper facility allen lady astor husband poison coffee churchill madam wife drink days flight 
level reply message originator nickh nntp posting host snow organization school computer science carnegie mellon university distribution lines article writes nick haines heard shuttle software rated level maturity strongly doubt lots bugs case level levels heard rating system care clue rating system arpa organisations measure maturity software process entire process software designed written tested delivered supported managing software process watts humphrey addison wesley excellent software engineering text levels software process maturity initial repeatable defined managed optimizing levels approximately characterized statistically software process control statistical basis estimating large software long produce expensive reliable software production level stable process statistical controls rigorous project management projects planned detail software configuration management quality assurance process defined understood implementation consistent includes things software inspection rigorous software testing framework configuration management typically software engineering process group project statistical information software systematically gathered analysed process controlled basis information software quality measured goals defects prevented process automated software contracts effective certified nick haines nickh 
lunar colony race nntp posting host egbsun draper organization draper laboratory lines article nsmca alaska writes group size preferibly small send human moon habitate human spend earth year moon resupply find atleast billion prize money thought ross perot consideration disappointing bill gates walton kids matt matthew feulner draper 
level organization texas instruments distribution lines writes nick haines heard shuttle software rated level maturity strongly doubt lots bugs case level levels heard rating system care clue level highest level stands software engineering institute rating applies flight software mind achieved sophisticated tools brute force ignorance attack problem challenger standdown simply threw hundreds people process hand receiving warning status systems detract rating latest copy guidelines make issued mind levels concerned primarily control software process assumption controlled process produce good software mind level damned hard software country produced engineering practicies rate level insisting perfect safety people balls live real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall speak speak 
conference manned lunar exploration crystal city organization evil geniuses tomorrow distribution lines article uiuc josh hopkins writes remeber reading comment general dynamics tied connection proposal early manned landing rember heard fairly reputable angle approach article recent avation week remember exact date recent allen lady astor husband poison coffee churchill madam wife drink days flight 
give billion year long moon residents organization evil geniuses tomorrow lines article henry toronto henry spencer writes prize warrent developing ssto vehicle exists people ssto development privately rate operation optimistic spite great respect people speak cost estimates optimistic working ssto complex large airliner smaller experience base ssto development cost typical airliner development puts range assume working ssto applications development costs true contest result larger market attract investors risks involved gurantee ssto costs gurantee captures launch market allen lady astor husband poison coffee churchill madam wife drink days flight 
lindbergh moon give organization university mexico albuquerque lines distribution world reply cook layne cook nntp posting host cook talk commercial space race year moon base intriguing similar prizes influenced aerospace development orteig prize helped lindbergh sell spirit saint louis venture financial backers memory serves prize totally reimburse expensive transatlantic projects fokker nungesser multi engine projects lindbergh ultimately total costs amount strongly suspect saint louis backers foresight realize stake work moon sighted financial backers today layne cook cook mcdonnell douglas space systems 
life mars xxdate organization lockheed engineering sciences company useragent nuntius lines article schiewer schiewer inland writes deal life mars save face heard theories sound thin back mars face agian life theories alien visitors 
boom whoosh organization dorsai grey captains lines nntp posting host gatech article wdwells david fuzzy wells writes hear supposedly coincide atlanta olympics worse city atlanta proposal rent space orbiting billboard caliber people running city telling leering orbit matthew deluca georgia institute technology atlanta georgia uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism matthew internet matthew gatech 
lunar colony race organization toronto zoology lines article nosubdomain nodomain matthew feulner writes find atleast billion prize money thought ross perot consideration disappointing bill gates walton kids lunar society estimate cost lunar colony mentioned making orbit asked jerry pournelle talked bill gates answer sink money time asked perot answer ross perot board bigger problem money work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
life mars organization toronto zoology lines article schiewer inland schiewer writes deal life mars save face heard theories sound thin face accident light shadow faces landforms earth artificial excluding mount rushmore smiley face mars kermit frog question life mundane sense bacteria closed odds orthodox exobiologists hoping fossils plans searches life back mars face agian mars observer approaching mars image face point high priority takes shadowed half face face shot angle ruin illusion work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
commercial mining activities moon organization lick observatory lines nntp posting host topaz ucsc reply sysmgr message article sysmgr doug mohney writes article steinly ucsc steinn sigurdsson writes cost effective accounting method sherzer methodology hell bunch suits estimate cost effectiveness make mind long leave scheme stable fiscal year british government colonisation efforts americas cost effective answer asked steinn sigurdsson lick observatory steinly ucsc standard disclaimer shoeburyness road road motoring 
level organization toronto zoology lines article mccall dseg fred mccall writes heard shuttle software rated level level mind achieved sophisticated tools brute force ignorance attack problem challenger standdown simply threw hundreds people process hand inaccurate based feynman account software development process standdown fred basically correct sophisticated tools effort painstaking care challenger feynman cited software people exemplary compared engine people noted software people starting feel management pressure corners give things software people worked hard things major flight simulations considered failure simulations flight failure result number major simulation failures counted hand number flight failures fred mentioned applies flight software software runs experiments typically experimenters level tender loving care experimenters afford work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
navstar positions organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex bird flaking expecting orbit major users areas needed provide redundancy plane orbit hicksville user community 
lindbergh moon give organization mdssc lines article cook layne cook writes talk commercial space race year moon base intriguing similar prizes influenced aerospace development orteig prize helped lindbergh sell spirit saint louis venture financial backers strongly suspect saint louis backers foresight realize stake work moon sighted financial backers today commercial transportation system settled civilized areas obvious spaceflight position correct analogy aviation long transocean voyages discovery require fund long potential profit destination practice funded private wise investor spend large amount money risky investment idea payoff thriving spaceflight industry eventually develop large numbers people live work earth specific justifications increased resource base give launch rate demanded existing space industries bring costs dark revolutionary space industries practical invested start keith mancus black powder alcohol states cities fall back wall leslie fish 
life mars organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host kelvin nasa news software vnews article henry toronto henry spencer writes article schiewer inland schiewer writes plans searches life true instruments mars observer searching potential fossil sites back mars face agian mars observer approaching mars image face point high priority takes shadowed half face face shot angle ruin illusion face viking landing sites targeted high resolution camera mars observer baalke baalke nasa propulsion telos aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar part vegetable 
spacewalk organization motorola distribution nntp posting host lines article optiplan baube writes time speculation spacewalk alexei leonov staged fake evidence support contradict claim emerged claim fevered cold hallucination claim made spotted training film footage spliced footage actual spacewalk dennis newkirk dennisn comm motorola land mobile products sector schaumburg 
keeping spacecraft funding cuts organization toronto zoology lines article jgreen calpoly james thomas green writes spacecraft shut funding cuts magellan told safe mode stay bobbing venus power mode years funding restored economy turned consideration remember turn able case reaching flipping switch spacecraft working correctly execute turn command successfully spacecraft malfunction concern radio clutter idle spacecraft radio clutter malfunctioning spacecraft longer turned work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
proton centaur reply chris jones organization kendall square research corp lines reply digex article writes article jgreen calpoly james thomas green writes looked possiblity proton centaur combo proton multi stage rocket stages centaur beating centaur proton stage versions stage version launches stage versions today stage version escape geosynchronous orbits stage version earth orbits version launched salyuts modules long centaur smaller shroud vaguely recall russians developing upper stage proton chris jones 
give billion year long moon residents organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex article allen sherzer writes article henry toronto henry spencer writes spite great respect people speak cost estimates optimistic working ssto complex large airliner smaller experience base ssto development cost typical airliner development puts range alan forget huge cost airliner developement certification joke paperwork exceeds weight airplane highly ambitious aero space projects narrow engineering budgets partly spend paper pushing company missouri funding build light commercial transporters cost basis reducing certification costs 
boom whoosh organization toronto zoology lines article palmer caltech david palmer writes orbiting billboard point easier place object orbital altitude place orbital velocity target surface earth delta assuming rockets specific impulses seconds easy produce rocket weight require fuel oxidizer launch citizen launch permit office commercial space transportation difficult permit antisatellite weapon threshold ocst licensing kicks roughly rules phrased complex ways result work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
inflatable mile long space billboards vandalizing organization case western reserve university lines distribution world nntp posting host yuggoth cwru reply enzo canon message article enzo canon enzo liguori writes opinion friday april washington space billboards spinoffs promised science fiction writer robert heinlein published sold moon involved dispute sale rights moon billboard nasa firsteps hideous vision future observers startled spring nasa launch vehicle arrived schwarzenegger painted huge block letters side booster rockets space marketing arranged promote arnold latest movie upset direct moral outrage glavcosmos pioneered capitalist application booster adverts long nasa sign times sony logo soyuz launcher space marketing working university colorado livermore engineers plan place mile long inflatable billboard earth orbit sounds lowell wood involved nasa provide contractual launch services nasa bases charge flawed cost estimates taxpayers bear expense environmental vandalism mike lawson space marketing told yesterday real purpose project environment platform carry ozone monitors explained advertising defray costs purpose university colorado people guess purpose livermore people learn build large inflatable space structures revolting hideous attempt vandalize night april anymore true great idea learning build build structures space essential step space development freedom appears shrinking vanishing point question nasa space station provide knowledge area design faget wingless orbiter chosen project monitors ozone depletion demonstrates creative partial private sector funding process nasa supporting junk details news blip project wild idea stage real funding protesting groups organized states project suppose return jeremy rifkin inevitable brian yamauchi case western reserve university yamauchi cwru department computer engineering science 
give billion year organization apple computer lines article allen sherzer wrote article henry toronto henry spencer writes prize warrent developing ssto vehicle exists people ssto development privately rate operation optimistic spite great respect people speak cost estimates optimistic working ssto complex large airliner smaller experience base ssto development cost typical airliner development puts range purpose contest things fuel entry kind heat shielding contest participants fund development worth develop contest give cheapest heaviest lift rated booster development great back contest goals recent article cost relative manned return moon general dynamics scheme involving titan shuttle lift centaur upper stage crew capsule mission consists delivering unmanned payloads lunar surface manned mission total cost billion joint nasa project billion share find mention long crew stay days total payload delivered metric tonnes ignore scientific payload hitch ride crew habitation module return trip toss tonnes additional consumables months able year visit tonnes case obvious wild guess pretty boring visit trip outdoors eats home brewed college brewed life support system year round tonnes convient plan talks payloads delivered lunar surface adds centaurs levs shuttle flights single moon year hmm practical cheaper delivering tonnes lunar surface decade precise guess year supply consumables equipment weigh wondering reusable discarded burn return discarded refueled henry noted engines reusable restartable forgotten knew cargo dimensions single goal prize staying moon year wise prize government sponsered unmanned moon landing manned moon landing system extract consumables lunar soil reusable earth moon shuttle find build civilian moonbase infrastructure single goal result bunch contestents giving person appeared give find scary half dozen people huddling rickety moon shelters reward operation competition lastly fifteen years back recall english space magazine discussion moonbases cheap recalled discussed things heat human body produced lunar material protection solar flares remember magazine ring bell craig keithley remember recall apple computer memory keithley peter gabriel album 
comet temporary orbit jupiter organization softquad toronto canada lines peri jove gehrels april jupiter radii august jupiter radii jupiter radius perijoves talking language final question gehrels thread issue scientific american article inconstant cosmos photo neil gehrels project scientist nasa compton gamma observatory person mark brader softquad toronto information information utzoo prisoner article public domain 
iapetus saturn eclipse organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host kelvin nasa news software vnews forwarded john spencer spencer eclipses iapetus saturn rings july spread word information events couple messages goguen appealing thermal observations eclipse learn thermal properties iapetus money john spencer iapetus eclipsed shadows saturn rings saturn timing ring ingress egress ring ingress egress ring egress saturn ingress egress ring ingress egress ring ingress egress july saturn ingress egress ring ingress grazing egress times minutes alternate ephemeris photometric observations important refining iapetus orbit size projected rings iapetus learn rings observations soma astronomy astrophysics details andy odell northern arizona university bringing events attention thermal observations goguen nasa writes interesting thing thermal july disappearance shadow planet measure thermal inertia event renders inaccessible russia calar alto saturn rising airmasses russia ukraine telescope instrumentation make personal grant data encourage observe iapetus planet disappearance thermal wavelengths impression easy observation iapetus faint fainter eclipse telescope good telescope reasonable instrumentation combination widely longitudes observation sofia possibility telescope india baalke baalke nasa propulsion telos aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar part vegetable 
space colony size preferences summary organization applied research office nasa ames research center reply globus nasa distribution space lines time message design orbital space colony gearing info move space colony live permanently colony view permanent move desirable specifically people share colony physical dimensions living assume living colony rotate assume leave time time vacations business trips young assume raise children responses block muchly responded good food thought edited responses people share colony physical dimensions living cylinder diameter long sousa ruca people share colony physical dimensions living square surface divided city towns villages countryside lakes rivers mountains people large number space year sick year physical dimensions living great figuring maximize percentage colony space accessible humans esecially children figure likes exploring able walk time population substantial town strangers helps small town syndrome people call thousand people physical dimensions similar criterion surprises spent considerable time specific rule thumb places hour foot call means circumference talking sphere henry spencer toronto zoology henry toronto utzoo henry desires permanent move space colony assuming easy communication travel size small town size bigger population sqkm elbow room interest sanity tommy mcwilliams work inhale chief zonker harris 
navstar positions organization center communications research lines distribution world nntp posting host harder reply thomas enblom ericsson message missed difference plane state positions velocities equal addition redundancies proposed robert mcgwier center communications research interests amateur radio astronomy golf princeton asst scoutmaster troop hightstown 
keeping spacecraft funding cuts news software vnews organization goddard space flight center robotics lines article baalke nasa baalke writes article jgreen calpoly james thomas green writes spacecraft shut funding cuts magellan told safe mode stay bobbing venus power mode years funding restored economy turned problem political technical remember dollar spent keeping spacecraft safe mode spin stabilized pointing orientation dollar spent mission analysis newer spacecraft order turn spacecraft back insure retrain team spacecraft proposed operational satellites goddard flies tiros noaa series require satellite orbit operational extras replaced orbit powered standby mode emergency case team required operational birds standby maintenance cheap finally explanation spacecraft require continuous maintenance stay control mark suggested spin stabilized control mode require power maintenance require momentum dumping time time political decision difference money technical rationale decision david gsfc 
ussr reached moon lines nntp posting host bashful duke article gary uucp gary coffman writes couple centuries significant commerical activity moon wishful thinking lots stuff commerical moonbase fantasyland finally motivate people leave earth flame stand chuck chuck chung duke university dept physics durham cchung duke opposite opposite progress 
proton centaur organization motorola nntp posting host lines article jgreen calpoly james thomas green writes looked possiblity proton centaur combo benefits problems combo obvious instability xssr speculation salyut design bureau planning stage proton boost payload geostationary gals launcher version scheme competing energia year heard recently read central specialized working successor soyuz booster energia early results energia guess clear russia salyut funds continue development centaur altas meters proton good existing upper stage block sets inside shround meters launch loads centaur survives titan launches worse proton titan shake things pretty good feasible centaur fragile thing require integration protons assembled transported horizontially stress payload centaur support bolted proton horizontally rail road track erected facilities added proton pads proton stage built centaur support systems facilities doubt imported great cost systems viloate political problems solve addition instabilities mention dennis newkirk dennisn comm motorola land mobile products sector schaumburg 
level reply wallacen colostate nntp posting host colostate organization colorado state university computer science dept lines software engineering professor rated level unit produced part software shuttle means interesting note software development groups surveyed level shuttle groups level nathan wallace reality mail wallacen colostate ancient alphaean proverb 
proton centaur organization stanford lines article dennisn comm dennis newkirk writes article jgreen calpoly james thomas green writes looked possiblity proton centaur combo benefits problems combo obvious instability xssr centaur altas meters proton good existing upper stage block sets inside shround meters launch loads centaur survives titan launches worse proton titan shake things pretty good feasible centaur fragile thing require integration protons assembled transported horizontially stress payload centaur support bolted proton horizontally rail road track erected centaur built integrate proton centaur designed extremely harsh envorinment launch closer diameter real kicker centaur pressure stabilized hold weight pressure tanks additionally pressure difference tanks maintained tight rocking rolling train pressure stabilization centaur achieves performance numerous occasions wanted make pressure stabilized centaur answer centaur worth launching atlas centaur require integration centaur integration great extent cleanliness requirements configuration facilities added proton pads proton stage built centaur support systems facilities doubt imported great cost systems viloate political problems solve addition instabilities mention addition facilities critical centaur tops lifts facility needed proton fuel derived icbm suspect storable propellants ullage problem cryo cryo sight addition systems mention real tech transfer issues involved providing centaur russia issue kill idea stevens stanford university email hdsteven valley stanford aerospace robotics laboratory phone durand building bullpen stanford 
keeping spacecraft funding cuts article zeus organization california polytechnic state university luis obispo lines digex pontificated birds require constant management survival pointing sensor powered burn pointing parabolic antenna venus orbit trash foci elements post brains board future deep space probes automatically avoid things uncontrolled tumble heard voyagers failsafe routine built essentially hear earth back event receiver burnt probe send data limited data bird drift hosed cosmic phenomena shutdown refunded startup type cosmic probe loss plan obvious things considered james green jgreen calpoly understand realize meant 
inflatable mile long space billboards vandalizing organization stanford lines article yamauchi cwru brian yamauchi writes nasa provide contractual launch services nasa bases charge flawed cost estimates taxpayers bear expense environmental vandalism mike lawson space marketing told yesterday real purpose project environment platform carry ozone monitors explained advertising defray costs purpose university colorado people guess purpose livermore people learn build large inflatable space structures people continue ozone scientists consistent consistent comercial applications nasa clinton pushing hard nasa supporting junk catch rocket launched movie advert rocket people alot painting sides movie stuff coke pepsi thing years back nasa find ways people space funding business time frankly thought funding tight innovative funded things nasa funding show funding proposal proposal significantly higher probability funded proposal merit funding money talks stevens stanford university email hdsteven valley stanford aerospace robotics laboratory phone durand building bullpen stanford 
vandalizing nntp posting host sysk organization starfleet coventry lines article enzo canon enzo liguori writes article physics research opinion friday april washington space billboards spinoffs promised science fiction writer robert heinlein published sold moon involved dispute sale rights moon billboard nasa firsteps hideous vision future observers startled spring nasa launch vehicle arrived schwarzenegger painted huge block letters side booster rockets things worse worse eighties teen adult comic fleetway produced short story featuring award winning character judge dredd story focussed advertising agency future high powered multi coloured lasers search lights pointed moon paint images moon needless hacked load lovers romantics werewolfs crazies chopped service discontinued cautionary tale marvin batty marvin batty find things sort rafia base fathers night clock 
mars observer update organization university adelaide lines distribution world nntp posting host crackle adelaide keywords mars observer hiya amuture astronomer adelaide australia today heard interesting exciting news local program find news server posted information station date news server slow caught article information topic moment news small psudo planet orbit pluto found hawiian obsevatory supposably recently acording report meant miles diamater faily large distance plutos orbit computer drawing orbit distance pluto neptune pluto furthest found called karna officially give information brendan woithe swoithe aelmg adelaide news good lawyer 
vandalizing organization university illinois urbana lines yamauchi cwru brian yamauchi writes enzo canon enzo liguori writes opinion friday april washington space billboards spinoffs promised science fiction writer robert heinlein published sold moon involved dispute sale rights moon billboard nasa firsteps hideous vision future observers startled spring nasa launch vehicle arrived schwarzenegger painted huge block letters side booster rockets space marketing arranged promote arnold latest movie upset direct moral outrage glavcosmos pioneered capitalist application booster adverts long nasa fact direct proper target ingoring nasa altogether rocket commercial launch vechicle conestoga flying comet payload nasa simply primary customer sdio small payload advertising space sold owners rocket darn addition anonymous observers reason startled deal made space news space marketing working university colorado livermore engineers plan place mile long inflatable billboard earth orbit nasa provide contractual launch services nasa bases charge flawed cost estimates taxpayers bear expense nasa supporting junk details news blip project wild idea stage real funding fair find starts hissy fact bothered conditional tense suggests approved josh hopkins uiuc find make attributed hannibal 
lindbergh moon give organization university illinois urbana lines mancus nasa keith mancus writes cook layne cook writes talk commercial space race year moon base intriguing similar prizes influenced aerospace development orteig prize helped lindbergh sell spirit saint louis venture financial backers strongly suspect saint louis backers foresight realize stake work moon sighted financial backers today commercial transportation system settled civilized areas obvious spaceflight position correct analogy aviation long transocean voyages discovery lindbergh flight place thirties require fund long potential profit destination practice funded private give examples privately funded wise investor spend large amount money risky investment idea payoff logic applies standard investment strategies concept prize difficult goal reasons suspect aware orteig received significant economic benefit lindbergh flight modern analogies prize human powered helicopter face similar arguments economic benefit thing advantage approaches developed fact prize frequently generate work equivalent amount direct investment person puts billion moon base expect make money deal josh hopkins uiuc find make attributed hannibal 
crazy imaginitive lines nntp posting host acad alaska organization university alaska fairbanks nice quote close remember crazy crazy ideas wall wilbur orville wright degrees wrong error human ways important imagination dreams dreams knowledge worthless cents worth rubles worth basic quote idea beam pipers book space vikings good book civilization fall raised heights beam piper killed weeks short book published ideas light waste 
moonbase race nasa resources lines nntp posting host acad alaska organization university alaska fairbanks article sysmgr doug mohney writes article henry toronto henry spencer writes apollo hard hurry limited technology base government contracts privately government project cuts costs factor cost private venture assuming talk government leasing couple pads florida software engineering military intelligence sysmgr government space launch directly launch small package space including ariadne russian sites poker flats alaska thou sounding rockets auroral borealous northern atmospheric items heard upgraded able sattelites orbit people fixed nasas direct resources poker flats runin part nasa univesity alaska geophysical institute sounds typical cultural centralism protectionism people multi trillion dollar deficite working spell checker michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
surviving large accelerations organization junior electrical computer engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reading spaceflight handbook author discusses solar sails forces acting gain initial acceleration passing close hyperbolic orbit magnitude accelerations estimated order problem manned craft humans published withstood accelerations long winded question finally accelerations fact humanly tolerable mechanical devices absorb acceleration extended larger accelerations advance amruth laxman 
freaks forcing space mining article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska commericial companies space mineral exploration basically freaks make hard minerals earth crazy reality billin congress basically make expensive mine minerals inspectors collectors ascially understand talking miner friends mine congress propose gross income mine versus adjusted income state governments normal taxes time paying materials workers expenses made basically make spend ofor expenses federal taxes bascially driving miners land peopel benefit freaks basically back beginning statement space expensive mine earth freaks protectionist interesting times michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
ssrt roll speech organization express access online communications greenbelt lines distribution nntp posting host access digex ssrt rollout speech delivered simon worden deputy technology sdio mcdonnell douglas huntington beach april children grew miracles inter continental ballistic missiles nuclear energy computers flights moon miracles parent decade pundits told lost generation living accomplishments past begun pessimists listen past generation tells triumphs living history privileged hear weeks team listened general bernie schriever told team work struggle build nation intercontinental ballistic missile stories blurry eyed telescopes thousand dollar toilet seats space launch vehicles hearken past great time destined remain schriever icbms find hard swell pride space lifter idea refurbish minuteman poseidon ballistic missiles pessimists wrong legacy continuing event proof technological parents listened stories caught enthusiasm spirit learned achievements mistakes honor part history impetus history hunter greatest engineers firts great space exploration insight discipline built thor icbm incorporated today successful launch vehicle delta told form launch vehicle single stage reusable rocket built advocated idea tirelessly elegantly simple great breakthroughs showed build convinced working side weld components place important reminded prime engineering principle undoubtably learned generation generation built transcontinental aviation build test passed people ladner started program douglas aircraft start start grandfathers built tested sold made money moved step decade putting rubber road hunter years build thor years show cost single stage reusable aerospace transportation real ended cold short years team today years show strategic defense initiative cold launched series satellites delta experiments year apiece signaled commitment impasse soviet union made decisions sides underscored importance work bringing international relationship team putting place framework aerospace expansion legacy generation make space access routine affordable built magnificent flying machine years summer true rocket ship land earth time surely build years reusable orbital rocket space rapidly affordably efficiently nation make money spend years build fully reusable single stage orbit system space reality able rocket propulsion breakthroughs cold adversaries wonderful irony product russian efforts counter merge power mankind step stars guard temptations leap final answer robert goddard rockets saturn succumb temptation extra dollars years jump immediately full orbital system fail hunter colleagues showed years cloud dust case rocket exhausts short expect reshape world brick time minds tasks hand project real torch american technological greatness passed americans machine american 
space foundation speech organization express access online communications greenbelt lines distribution nntp posting host access digex speech pete worden delivered space foundation conference colorado springs colorado april delightful opportunity trouble providing forum sincerely space foundation topic today single stage rocket technology rocket ssrt intend speak lower cost make rapid progress ssrt mind hope convince erupting rallying generation space faster cheaper faster cheaper ssrt represent passing torch technical generation thing relearning things past masters rolled ssrt baby weeks called experts told violates laws physics made sense eberhart rachtin president aerospace corp ssrt times defies principles launching payloads space rachtin made principles ssrt defies violates principle giant program office build space hardware violates fact takes years build violates truism significant billions dollars generation experts teach lessons werhner braun rocket saturn general schriever icbm years demonstrate airplane cost billion great engineers remind truths hunter remind senior engineer thor irbm program faster cheaper success story persistent vision single stage reusable space launch system knew affordable steps build test persuaded technology demonstration solicit bunch requirements change years included speech ephemeral requirements shape shifter space lifter spend money rocket cost million time built airplane time build mcdonnell douglas completed months finally government program office consisted worked force major motivated part threat ride strapped lawn chair cost schedule ssrt mind step steps steps easily fail field ssto step follow principles small management team years technology demonstration modest budget show details ssrt evolve charts embarrassed generation compared generation giants great space moon built telescope straight soft landed mars soft land earth answer follow build test philosophy produce affordable routine access space sayers ssrt stunt thermal protection engines wrong land horizontally white sands june bring view graphs bring rocketship step included speech fail program offices staff summary sheets requirement analyses decade long programs generation hunter idea takers 
commercial mining activities moon organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex article sysmgr writes article steinly ucsc steinn sigurdsson writes cost effective accounting method sherzer methodology opportunity missed 
proton centaur organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex dennis usual highly detailed informative posting question proton handled spare pads major malfunction handled kourou vandenberg storables long russians equip cape york proton launched western site compare centaur lift close 
crazy imaginitive organization electrical computer engineering carnegie mellon lines article nsmca alaska writes beam piper killed weeks short book published ideas light waste piper lived town williamsport killed early books published time luck financially rumor hunting urban pigeons birdshot food viewed resourceful decided check gracefully support worst part john campbell long time editor astounding analog magazine check piper recent story check mail campbell piper straits phoned hang campbell happened differently enjoyed piper stuff doug loss 
comet temporary orbit jupiter organization univ southwestern louisiana lines mark brader writes final question gehrels thread issue scientific american article inconstant cosmos photo neil gehrels project scientist nasa compton gamma observatory person estimate probability gehrels referred thomas gehrels spacewatch project kitt peak observatory century gamma spectroscopy distant asteroids orbiting observatory primitive send probe gamma spectroscopy mark brader softquad toronto information information utzoo prisoner info mayan television article public domain phil fraering find sorts stuff cacs ancient mayans televison repo 
give billion year long moon residents organization macinteresteds nashville lines forget apollo government program start scratch people nasa work replied personally posted original message days heard jerry pournelle suggest idea gene raider gene wright theporch raider macinteresteds nashville 
vandalizing organization univ southwestern louisiana lines hoover bielefeld schuerkamp writes article enzo canon enzo liguori writes hideous vision future observers startled spring nasa launch vehicle arrived schwarzenegger painted huge block letters opinion long stuff returns earth revolting hideous attempt vandalize night april anymore turns true time active terrorism unbelievable people selling promises make money guess deserve wiped radiation folks stupidity wins guess true pure numbers depressed planetary citizen hoover inherently light pollution visible shortly dusk night lasts hours inconvienenced inconvienenced case finally bronze indo european people speaking indo eurpoean languages indo european ancestry cultural background remember human activities practiced warrior caste farming caste priesthood distressed found research involve socialism certianly deserve phil fraering find sorts stuff cacs ancient mayans televison repo 
boom whoosh organization alpha science computer network denver lines article wdwells david fuzzy wells writes love idea inflatable mile long sign neat thing explode bolt westford needle crashing clicks pageos echo balloons inflated substance expanded vacuum inflated substance longer needed balloon collapse inflatable structure suffer multiple holes disastrous deflation bruce watson wats alphacdc bulletin item extract 
spacewalk distribution organization alpha science computer network denver lines article sumg optiplan baube writes time speculation spacewalk alexei leonov staged fake evidence support contradict claim emerged claim fevered cold hallucination avid reader space ussr happened bruce watson wats alphacdc bulletin item extract 
planets images orbit ether twist organization california polytechnic state university luis obispo lines ether implodes earth core gravity paper describes heavenly bodys stationary ether sucking structures observe orbital motion ether theoretical propogation media electro magnetic waves concluded exist based results michelson moreley experiment conducted century propose conclusions flawed based fact experiment designed flow parallel earth surface perpindicular prevailing assumption earth traveled ether ball wind reversal conclusion pivotal keystone development modern scientific thought ramifications biblical proportions world remember einstien imagination greater knowledge dream ether based reality ether fluid phase reality creations start lattice ether spin lattices drag fluid margarita blender ingest converting distilling localized mass time energy spinning lattice dark matter earth spinning picture image galaxy videos spinning picture stationary image dragged spinning ether field picture onion layer spinning faster thread shot kernel stretched diagonally sideways head faster shell tail finally intersected ground kernel direction vector straight foot print line point sunrise sunset moon orbiting parasite spin sustaining dragged earth ether field powerful field seasons wobble earth axis slowing orbit earth stars images dragged ether feild earth moon size distance time varies greatly path moon lattice ether sticking fork plate spaghetti giving plate half turn lattice spin fork plate noodles wound piece light moon slide spaghetti make hook piece light plate needle record pencil compass rule draw diagram moon earth shadow times totally eclipse knowledge guess size size full moon quarter moon difference rate ether spins rotating turntable view moon half facing half moon degrees draw earth shadow moon image appears orbit matter light part part facing dark part half facing appears light years galaxies misnomer distance closer time matter characteristics phase reality dissipates outward layer onion defining edge ether spin essentially happening piece light experienced years trip quick time time travel warp space learning spin phase mass good luck design propulsion system drag space time locality move balloon shooting squirt find recommend studying history book life holy grail brain waves carry decipherable data start part spectra unusable background noise billion humans totally isolate record thinking backwards learn read microsoft holy grail card pentium concluding thoughts recorded time bound media ether move forward time temporarily locally reverse flow time start flowing opposite magnetism pole pole passing large flat current foot diameter coil choke machine receiver live quit putting reproductive keys life body life data written wind ether thoughts receiver file access code eating seeds jamming reception receiving plant instructions eating seed bearing fruit greek biblical live hundreds years curios worry hair stops growing cosmos formed creating matter bounce household concept immortal wheat weed programmed pull soil reproduce hell warning writing past dream world parallel future lying path history diverged twelve telepathic glowing beings looked oscar award dark looked dark process making gods teach meant advising past basically manipulated reproducing raising children seed looked species meant provide service carefully combed history rewriting favor pulling weed compromised control enticed recruits sending visions immortality road twelve souls kill killed amount control exert finite change made void reality universe ended meters remember twelve finally prune reality stopped fingertips stepped portal past bask created made lost body existing wind moral eliminate reality souls harmony golden rule treat treated lonely thread time murderers flowery brown nosers playmates eternal back accepting rides past sells rides make prince queen live ancient greece ahead repeat grade adam henry hope inspecting socks careful likes work thinks wise direct cross paths vanish rewrite history wiser pass point parallel line stepped back time hierarchy lose direction make work adjustment world cultivated loosens grip organization suddenly branch change basic nature good apply hand achieve world tightens hand retain built sand slips fingers public computer access country money spending imagine washington marks cost collects congress absolutely buries congress borrows banks making margin interest government corporations ecstatic margin banks hold carrot world bury food production construction hours build auto people spending time back tenth produce deceived efficient harder point people busy making widgets reality shouted twelve chaos order defined chaos able control rain forest problem water canopy hide location indigenous people language telepathic vanishing closest knowledge death spine transceiver ground pointed locate people naive children tough kill able stories dark talk hear world band radio timers story people frequency eating seeds famine relief make diet wheat huge belly lose muscle mass sleep sick fresh fruit energy hollywood flat belly sleep peace keeping fighting killing troops bread shelf kill make somalia disturbing energetic carrying foot tall sixteen year olds roots suck growth stunted dying rate years life women children babes arms historical references women children single unit infants umbilical cord breast interesting results mother child telepathy blue blooded infants examples practice aquatic mammal kingdom investigate master illusion ultimate liar tells thread time people make play poker face thinks cornered whine grovel means live ground work laid play hand back thread time ultimate control destiny live path leads reality part claim things pruned path thoughts laid track time 
freaks forcing space mining nntp posting host reply pmolloy msfc nasa patrick molloy organization nasa msfc lines article nsmca alaska writes commericial companies space mineral exploration basically freaks make hard minerals earth crazy reality billin congress basically make expensive mine minerals inspectors collectors ascially understand talking miner friends mine congress propose gross income mine versus adjusted income state governments normal taxes time paying materials workers expenses made basically make spend ofor expenses federal taxes bascially driving miners land peopel benefit freaks basically back beginning statement space expensive mine earth freaks protectionist interesting times michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked current mining regulations fees called freaks simply bring fees line current economic reality mining companies access minerals public lands ridiculously prices mining lobby decades managed block reform outdated fees fact latest attempt reform blocked president clinton compromised taking mining reforms budget plans draft separate legislation fight battle discuss suggest talk environment patrick molloy huntsville alabama 
comet temporary orbit jupiter organization lunar planetary laboratory tucson lines article mark brader writes peri jove gehrels april jupiter radii august jupiter radii jupiter radius perijoves talking language final question gehrels thread issue scientific american article inconstant cosmos photo neil gehrels project scientist nasa compton gamma observatory person neil gehrels prof gehrels gehrels discoverer gehrels comets latest bear spacewatch observing system found latest comet mark brader softquad toronto information information utzoo prisoner scotti jscotti arizona lunar planetary laboratory university arizona tucson 
keeping spacecraft funding cuts organization florida state university geology dept lines discussion talk politics space joseph cain cain cain bitnet scri cain 
moonbase race nasa resources organization toronto zoology lines article nsmca alaska writes cost private venture assuming talk government leasing couple pads florida government space launch directly fact avoid government project pricetag invariably high money hassles important thing realize cost moon earth orbit practically noise part moon poses problems face orbit actual landing immensely difficult spend sagadollars saga metric prefix beelyuns beelyuns things launches major component realistic plan moon cheaply visit cost transport earth orbit costs launch shuttle titan develop launch system considerably cheaper delta clipper expensive ambitious ways bringing costs plan sustained lunar exploration existing launch systems wasting money questions launch facilities minor detail important cost launches dominates cost project work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
surviving large accelerations organization toronto zoology lines article amruth laxman writes question finally accelerations fact humanly tolerable mechanical devices absorb acceleration sounds high higher accelerations endured briefly violent deceleration talking sustained acceleration gees demonstrated water immersion doubt generalizes order magnitude work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
sunrise sunset times organization applied math university bonn germany lines related question thought lattitude average length averaged year maximized function constant hours symmetric equator discrepancy fact orbit elliptic difference change temperature make seasons southern hemisphere bitter small make sizeable difference daylight hours move nick firoozye nick bonn 
sunrise sunset times organization university maryland baltimore county campus lines nntp posting host math math umbc article drexel joseph wetstein writes program algorithm compute sunrise sunset times computation long time computes length daylight able convert information sunrise sunset times rouben rostamian telephone department mathematics statistics mail university maryland baltimore county bitnet rostamian bitnet baltimore internet rouben umbc definitions tilt axis planet normal orbital plane case earth degrees recall exact case uranus degrees latitude location length measured paris degrees north pole angular position planet degrees planet makes full circle spring equinox occurs daylight fraction duration daylight duration full equator north pole degrees depending time year computation define auxiliary angles interesting exercise plot versus graph shows length daylight varies time year experiment choices latitudes tilt angles compare behavior function locations arctic circle rouben rostamian telephone department mathematics statistics mail university maryland baltimore county bitnet rostamian bitnet baltimore internet rouben umbc 
addresses organization lesc lines jmcocker ncsu mitch writes mailing addresses companies specifically addresses personnel offices bureau companies space industries houston courageous leage city phone good luck doug doug egan lockheed engineering sciences give houston tesla email egan 
keeping spacecraft funding cuts organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex article jgreen calpoly james thomas green writes digex pontificated heard voyagers failsafe routine built essentially hear earth back event receiver burnt probe send data limited data voyager unusual luck stable trajectory solar system collecting fields data routinely squirting mariners stable solar orbit providing similiar solar data planetary orbit subject complex forces comsats stable geosynch orbits require daily stationkeeping operations occasional deep space bird pluto left auto pilot things galileo magellan suspect housekeeping untended unusable question transfer birds separate agency continous funding support kind ongoing science missions ongoing mentioned quote operations data analysis cost collect data analyzed kinda landsat data years analyzed ozone hole bird drift hosed cosmic phenomena shutdown refunded startup type cosmic probe loss plan obvious things considered james green jgreen calpoly understand realize meant 
freaks forcing space mining organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex line horse puckey mining companies claimed told restoring land strip mining mine coal midwest moon theyare 
future organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex read article computer technology stated computer technology lower slower replaced silicon effective germanium products gaas capable silicon multi processors slower existent single processors argument technologies promised theoretically future higher performance lower cost higher densities model launch weight ssrt ssrt offers prospect greater cycle times lower costs kind speculative posting thought throw hjistorical framework interested project 
keeping spacecraft funding cuts organization university virginia lines article digex writes question transfer birds separate agency continous funding support kind ongoing science missions money changing seperate agency greg hennessy university virginia usps mail astronomy department charlottesville internet uucp uunet virginia 
choice generation ssrt roll speech organization case western reserve university lines distribution world nntp posting host yuggoth cwru reply jkatz digex message article jkatz digex jordan katz writes speech delivered simon worden deputy technology sdio children grew miracles inter continental ballistic missiles nuclear energy computers flights moon miracles parent speech pete worden delivered space foundation conference embarrassed generation compared generation giants great space moon built telescope straight soft landed mars soft land earth curiousity worden brian yamauchi case western reserve university yamauchi cwru department computer engineering science 
freaks forcing space mining organization evil geniuses tomorrow lines article nsmca alaska writes commericial companies space mineral exploration basically freaks make hard minerals earth materials cost space cost effective entire world economy colapse long space mines built allen lady astor husband poison coffee churchill madam wife drink days flight 
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future organization university western ontario london nntp posting host prism engrg lines hmm recall attraction solid state record players radios performance lower unit cost vacuum tube systems mind father vacuum tube switched solid state seventies abruptly died doubt lesson account biased james nicoll 
vandalizing reply todd locus message originator nickh nntp posting host snow organization school computer science carnegie mellon university lines article todd locus todd johnson writes advertising nasa friend spent drunken night figuring gold mylar golden arches american fast food organization face moon fortunately sobered morning hmm million sounds tens burger organization sold year reflective substance sprayed thinly unmanned craft lunar orbit large craft reasonable albedo visible moon moon dark bright full moon abandon colour cheap launch system design reusable moon lunar orbit unmanned spraying craft build craft establish lunar base extract colour sulphur compound suppose sort propellant uncle billion dollars identity loved delivery date fast food chain bidding fizzy drink vendors interested expensive impressive putting large inflatable billboards visible hours growth market identity nick haines nickh 
planet kuiper object found added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines tonigth journal brasil announced object pluto orbit found observatory hawaii named object karla program object gaseous giant planet composed rocks ices confirm information object planet kuiper object advance francisco stars francisco fonseca rodrigues cotuca colegio tecnico unicamp brasil depto processamento dados internet chico unicamp cotuca unicamp fone campinas brasil dust 
golden space ages added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines oddly smithsonian calls lindbergh years golden flight call granite years reflecting primitive nature romantic swashbuckling daredevils daring young flying machines reality sucked death highly occurence environment blew yeah windscreen canopies ended completely environment space continues suck tommy mcwilliams radius vision increases circumference mystery grows 
message space digest added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines press release paris april users olympus satellite report outcome experiments today europe space telecommunications sector blossoming olympus provided testbed technologies services summarises general conclusions speakers participants conference olympus utilisation held seville april conference organised european space agency spanish centre development industrial technology cdti olympus bringing satellite telecommunications thousands users satellite terminals small antennas vsats olympus experiments tested data transmission videoconferencing business television distance teaching rural telephony give examples opening door telecommunications services accommodated crowded lower frequency bands olympus satellite europe offer capacity band establishing data relay links olympus received time europe months high volume data earth orbiting spacecraft distributed centres europe olympus launched july world largest telecommunications satellite satellite equalled versatility combining payloads wide variety frequency bands olympus users range individual experimenters world largest businesses access satellite order test telecommunications techniques services past years companies organisations made opportunity members eurostep distance learning organisation technologies services tested olympus users enter commercial market make operational satellites eutelsat olympus utilisation continue spacecraft fuel approaches design life 
give billion year long moon residents lines nntp posting host skndiv dseg reply pyron dseg organization dseg support article schaefer peter schaefer writes article nsmca alaska writes article gene raider gene wright writes continuin talk space complaints government large cost read work announce reward billion corporation successfully person alive moon year inexpensive popular technologies begin developed kind space race gene raider gene wright theporch raider macinteresteds nashville true friends pool resources make prize kind liek solar race australia game contest michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked billion dollars cover cost feasability study happy happy feasability study wimp studying damn engineers engineering sits arse sits fortune richard francis burton dillon pyron opinions expressed dseg lewisville support sender stated home texans vote robin hood pyron dseg solutions gestures padi 
shuttle oxygen budget astronaut lines nntp posting host skndiv dseg reply pyron dseg organization dseg support article digex writes thought emergency conditions good size airport orbiter designed mind early material scenes shuttle landing pulled gates guess stress advanced airport dallas types imagine grapevine irving shuttle landing rest power struggles airport surrounding cities dillon pyron opinions expressed dseg lewisville support sender stated home texans vote robin hood pyron dseg solutions gestures padi 
proton centaur organization nasa msfc lines dennisn comm dennis newkirk writes centaur controlled technology state dept article jgreen calpoly james thomas green writes looked possiblity proton centaur combo benefits problems combo obvious instability xssr speculation salyut design bureau planning stage proton boost payload geostationary gals launcher version scheme competing energia year heard recently read central specialized working successor soyuz booster energia early results energia guess clear russia salyut funds continue development centaur altas meters proton good existing upper stage block sets inside shround meters launch loads centaur survives titan launches worse proton titan shake things pretty good feasible centaur fragile thing require integration protons assembled transported horizontially stress payload centaur support bolted proton horizontally rail road track erected facilities added proton pads proton stage built centaur support systems facilities doubt imported great cost systems viloate political problems solve addition instabilities mention dennis newkirk dennisn comm motorola land mobile products sector schaumburg 
planets images orbit ether twist organization univ southwestern louisiana lines ether stuff breathing posted phil fraering find sorts stuff cacs ancient mayans televison repo 
commercial mining activities moon organization evil geniuses tomorrow lines article steinly ucsc steinn sigurdsson writes british government colonisation efforts americas cost effective answer asked thought effort profitable money efficiently spent providing money spent answer ballance questions exceptions places french indian revolution colonies revolted independance british engaged lucrative trading colonies years american revolution england largest trading partner allen lady astor husband poison coffee churchill madam wife drink days flight 
boom whoosh organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host caltech article wats alphacdc bruce watson writes pageos echo balloons inflated substance expanded vacuum called inflated substance longer needed balloon collapse inflatable structure suffer multiple holes disastrous deflation balloons sufficiently orbit experienced resistance finally punctured preasure internal preasure needed maintain spherical shape resistance caused catastrophically deflated large silvered shards remained easily visible time reentry longer passive transponder billboard dime store balloon 
give billion year long moon residents organization texas instruments lines allen sherzer writes depends assume existance working ssto billion quarter million pounds stuff moon mass send equipment make transfer vehicle send needed prize warrent developing ssto vehicle exists allen assume existence ssto contest place contest development cheaper ways things exist flush moon year insisting perfect safety people balls live real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall speak speak 
moonbase race nntp posting host sysk organization starfleet coventry lines article sysmgr writes article henry toronto henry spencer writes apollo hard hurry limited technology base government contracts privately government project cuts costs factor cost private venture assuming talk government leasing couple pads florida ground launch posible launch altitude shuttle originally intended cheaper engineered absorbing plants bottles stick lunar cave airlock door marvin batty find things sort rafia base fathers night clock 
sunrise sunset times nntp posting host wren organization applied research labs university texas austin lines drexel joseph wetstein writes program algorithm compute sunrise sunset times mind posting responses interested shirlene pearson pearson arlut utexas 
level organization federal systems software services federal systems software services disclaimer posting represents poster views news software ureply lines henry spencer writes article mccall dseg fred mccall writes heard shuttle software rated level level mind achieved sophisticated tools brute force ignorance attack problem challenger standdown simply threw hundreds people process hand inaccurate based feynman account software development process standdown fred basically correct sophisticated tools effort painstaking care challenger feynman cited software people exemplary compared engine people noted software people starting feel management pressure corners give things software people worked hard things major flight simulations considered failure simulations flight failure result number major simulation failures counted hand number flight failures fred mentioned applies flight software software runs experiments typically experimenters level tender loving care experimenters afford work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry news software ureply wingert bret wingert henry spencer writes article mccall dseg fred mccall writes heard shuttle software rated level level mind achieved sophisticated tools brute force ignorance attack problem challenger standdown simply threw hundreds people process hand inaccurate based feynman account software development process standdown fred basically correct sophisticated tools effort painstaking care challenger feynman cited software people exemplary compared engine people noted software people starting feel management pressure corners give fred mentioned applies flight software software runs experiments typically experimenters level tender loving care couple points thread processes challenger challenger uncover flaws spencer large true process dependent sophisticated tools case tools tools process tool support shuttle language limited onboard flight software project rated level nasa team group generates kslocs verified code year nasa feel free call organization interested info software development process bret wingert bret wingert 
moonbase race organization computer aided design maryland college park lines reply sysmgr nntp posting host queen article allen sherzer writes article sysmgr writes cost private venture assuming talk government leasing couple pads florida goal cheaper remember government leasing expensive launch ssto launch cheaper facility allen tend rashly leap making statement thinking wanna guess today launch hlvs send large amounts stuff private titan software engineering military intelligence sysmgr 
crazy imaginitive reply nsmca alaska message organization nasa dryden edwards lines nsmca alaska nsmca ideas wall nsmca wilbur orville wright common misconception wall wright brothers correspondance number experimenters octave chanute lillienthal flew models wind tunnel short mainstream regarded eccentric community suggest read bishop boys biography harry gates combs remember fbos owned learjet print easily obtainable bishop boys trade paperback multi volume wrights writings print rare hideously expensive mary shafer kotfr nasa dryden flight research facility edwards shafer dfrf nasa speak nasa unknown fighter pilot 
vandalizing organization university western ontario london nntp posting host prism engrg lines article nickh nick haines writes expensive impressive putting large inflatable billboards visible hours growth market identity heard sillier things utility company wanting automated boiler cleaning system operators system rumour costs million unit automation efficient scale james nicoll 
read space organization texas instruments lines pyron dseg dillon pyron writes henry fred tommy mary yeah real bald headed space baby fred obvious yeah real elvis lemur difficulty telling insisting perfect safety people balls live real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall speak speak 
planets images orbit ether twist lines shipping good clair acid california freebairn 
boom whoosh organization computer aided design maryland college park lines reply sysmgr nntp posting host queen article henry toronto henry spencer writes article palmer caltech david palmer writes orbiting billboard point easier place object orbital altitude place orbital velocity target surface earth delta launch citizen launch permit office commercial space transportation difficult permit antisatellite weapon henry reminded canada part united states commercial cleaning service years toronto skysweepers clear skies hours money back discount rates astro researchers software engineering military intelligence sysmgr 
lindbergh moon give organization mdssc lines uiuc josh hopkins writes mancus nasa keith mancus writes cook layne cook writes orteig prize helped lindbergh sell spirit saint louis venture financial backers strongly suspect saint louis backers foresight realize stake work moon sighted financial backers today commercial transportation system settled civilized areas obvious spaceflight position correct analogy aviation long transocean voyages discovery lindbergh flight place thirties misunderstanding referring fact aeronautical development place super abundance jennies engines held industry obsolete aircraft retired whirlwind power weight ratio reliability point long distance flights practical important note atlantic flown times lindbergh chamberlin levine byrd america time railroad railroad require fund long potential profit destination practice funded private give examples privately funded head reference books common arrangement prince henry navigator portugal prince part money merchants rest profits voyage shared wise investor spend large amount money risky investment idea payoff person puts billion moon base expect make money deal problem amount prize money required inspire moon base larger handful individuals corporations putting kremer prizes human powered aircraft orteig prize lord northcliffe prize crossing atlantic alcock brown smaller technologies required reach individual inventors prize amounts reach large number wealthy individuals afford prize purpose whatsoever note burt rutan suggested nasp built cheaply taking avweek stating company build plane profile handed questions asked keith mancus black powder alcohol states cities fall back wall leslie fish 
moonbase race nasa resources organization apple computer lines article henry toronto henry spencer wrote major component realistic plan moon cheaply visit cost transport earth orbit costs launch shuttle titan develop launch system considerably cheaper delta clipper expensive ambitious ways bringing costs catch boot purposes contest compete afford ride lower priced delivery systems doable demand doubtful develop system priced system existed demand structuring contest encourage cost payload delivery systems accounting methods hardest work rockwell loan engines plan sustained lunar exploration existing launch systems wasting money depends launch system line words great deal worthwhile technology life support navigation developed prior cost launch system expensive stuff forever hate folks waiting cost oops launch system line guess simplify waste slippery concept goal manned lunar exploration years wasted money goal explore moon million exploration decade craig craig keithley remember recall apple computer memory keithley peter gabriel album 
future organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex article jdnicoll james davis nicoll writes hmm recall attraction solid state record players radios performance lower unit cost vacuum tube systems solid state offered reliabity lower costs processes scaled 
proton centaur organization motorola nntp posting host lines article digex writes question proton handled spare pads major malfunction handled kourou vandenberg trouble invest newer launch systems cost advantage russian systems long years lockheed place proton market proton world wide russia possibilities heard propose launches assume looked found unprofitable storables long russians equip cape york comparable zenit suppose built pick spot message launch cheap russia kazakstan cooperating story dennis newkirk dennisn comm motorola land mobile products sector schaumburg 
vandalizing article mksol organization texas instruments lines hoover bielefeld schuerkamp writes article enzo canon enzo liguori writes hideous vision future observers startled spring nasa launch vehicle arrived schwarzenegger painted huge block letters opinion long stuff returns earth revolting hideous attempt vandalize night april anymore turns true time active terrorism unbelievable people selling promises make money guess left wondering light fascists understand issues care idea finds sort overreaction questionable find things moon obnoxious pollution questions frothing mouth long thing supposed stay sounds huge drag area mass fairly orbit orbital parameters talking real impact talking optical astronomers impacted important adding extra days optical astronomers data sensors supposed return data large inflatables potential inflatable space station choice advertising fund thing answer astronomers feel free fund mind important research data gained spending money words shut guess deserve wiped radiation folks stupidity wins guess true pure numbers agree stupid depressed planetary citizen hoover yeah insisting perfect safety people balls live real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall speak speak 
planets images orbit ether twist article mksol organization texas instruments lines dmcaloon calpoly david mcaloon writes ether implodes earth core gravity lack extraneously capitalized words swear mcelwaine changed moved poly find choice newsgroups interesting astro stand astrology frightening posts originating ostensibly centers higher learning country small rest world thinks nuts problems case david posting groups insisting perfect safety people balls live real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall speak speak 
comet temporary orbit jupiter sender newtout lines message jgarland writes article mark brader writes figure perijove perijoves talking language periapsis apoapsis msged 
moonbase race organization shakala clanzen radio network sunnyvale lines sysmgr doug mohney writes allen tend rashly leap making statement thinking wanna guess today launch hlvs send large amounts stuff private titan doug memory serves atlas outgrowth titan icbm pads albeit reconditioning able turf bunkers including prep facility midwest farmland prices strikes pretty damned cheap charlie prael dante shakala clanzen radio network sunnyvale 
death taxes give billion article indyvax lines posting subject threw idea fund contest delving deep budget mentioned granting mineral rights winner actual wording mining rights pointed correctly rights grant imagine fait accompli situation winner give winning group company corp year moratorium taxes freebairn 
planets images orbit ether twist reply daniel appelquist organization visix software reston virginia lines dmcaloon calpoly david mcaloon writes lots trippy stuff deleted smoking daniel appelquist quanta electronically published distributed magazine science fiction fantasy information send mail quanta back issues export anonymous 
galileo update organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host kelvin nasa keywords galileo news software vnews forwarded neal ausman galileo mission director galileo mission director status report post launch april spacecraft april cruise science memory readouts mros performed extreme ultraviolet spectrometer dust detector magnetometer instruments preliminary analysis data received properly april command detector unit signal noise ratio cdusnr test radio frequency subsystem automatic gain control rfsagc test performed gain antenna madrid meter antenna madrid meter antenna data analysis process tests periodically performed provide detailed information relative telecom command hardware integrity april command reset command loss timer hours planned mission phase april suppressed carrier deep space network advanced receiver characterization tests performed goldstone meter antenna spacecraft modulation index varied degrees degrees range ground receiver bandwidth settings imbalance measurement exhibited significant change greater period imbalance measurement measurement reads volts measurement ranged volts volts reads volts measurements consistent model developed special anomaly team spacecraft status april system power margin watts spin configuration dual spin spin rate sensor star scanner spacecraft attitude approximately degrees lagging degrees earth leading downlink telemetry rate antenna coded general thermal control temperatures acceptable range tank pressures acceptable range orbiter science instruments powered probe powered temperatures acceptable range loss timer setting hours time initiation hours trajectory noon thursday april galileo spacecraft trajectory status distance earth distance heliocentric speed hour distance jupiter round trip light time minutes seconds special topic april total real time commands transmitted galileo launch initiated sequence design process initiated real time command process past week real time command transmitted initiated sequence design process initiated real time command process command activity command reset command loss timer baalke baalke nasa propulsion telos aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar part vegetable 
inflatable mile long space billboards vandalizing organization llnl lines distribution world nntp posting host yamauchi cwru brian yamauchi writes enzo canon enzo liguori writes opinion friday april washington space marketing working university colorado livermore engineers plan place mile long inflatable billboard earth orbit sounds lowell wood involved idea suggested discussions term commercial space activities folks involved discussions spacecraft engineer named preston carter passed suggestion entreprenurial types mike lawson apparently ahead preston llnl working space marketing sensors carried nasa provide contractual launch services nasa bases charge flawed cost estimates taxpayers bear expense sounds launch vehicle expect commercial launcher shuttle fraction cost paid nasa launch support cover nasa incremental costs pretty environmental vandalism mike lawson space marketing told yesterday real purpose project environment platform carry ozone monitors explained advertising defray costs purpose university colorado people guess purpose livermore people learn build large inflatable space structures noted llnl involved lightweight sensor design clementine related programs folks demonstration modern inflatable structure echo satellites long advertising structure closer inflatable space station echo parade balloon matter revolting hideous attempt vandalize night april anymore happen personally dislike idea background astronomy vandalism short lived intrusion night permanent damage hurting small subset astronomers hand draw attention space true great idea learning build structures space essential step space development contribute project monitors ozone depletion demonstrates creative partial private sector funding process nasa supporting junk purely commercial venture details news blip project wild idea stage real funding gather discussed advertisers commercial projects generally funding customers customers remains protesting groups organized states project suppose return jeremy rifkin inevitable nahh busy watching mutant bacteria notice brian yamauchi case western reserve university yamauchi cwru department computer engineering science jordin kare lawrence livermore national laboratory personal views represent official statements positions llnl university california 
comet temporary orbit jupiter organization institute astronomy hawaii lines phil fraering writes mark brader writes final question gehrels thread issue scientific american article inconstant cosmos photo neil gehrels project scientist nasa compton gamma observatory person estimate probability gehrels referred thomas gehrels spacewatch project kitt peak observatory change certainty clarify spacewatch university arizona project telescope steward observatory located kitt peak kitt peak national observatory sharing mountain 
planets images orbit ether twist organization university wisconsin astronomy department lines nntp posting host uwast astro wisc ether stuff sounded fair bizzare qualitative corruption general relativity fashioned ether loan text level whew greg 
vandalizing organization lines reply enzo canon message article enzo canon enzo liguori writes space marketing working university colorado livermore engineers plan place mile long inflatable billboard earth orbit nasa provide contractual launch services nasa bases charge flawed cost estimates taxpayers bear expense environmental vandalism mike lawson space marketing told yesterday real purpose project environment platform carry ozone monitors explained advertising defray costs possibly environmental vandalism environment vandalize advertising defray costs surprise taxpayers bear expense sounds good idea taxpayers bear expense advertising revolting hideous attempt vandalize night great idea long light pollution observations read visible leave night mile long billboard significant effect brightness venus visible complains visible twilight bright miniscule impact short time zipping protesting groups organized states doubt people protest surprise depressed bright side imagine faces people primitive tribes middle budweiser flying jeff cook jeff cook 
amateur rockets organization corporation wichita lines paul dokas writes reading popular science morning surprised back back fringe science questionablely legal grabbed attention company personal missle company public missiles michigan stated sell rockets length engines sizes rockets reach feet obvious dangers amateur rocketeer beasts illegal imagine allowing people shoot rockets flight levels passenger planes mention problem locating rocket nope illegal closely regulated order purchase rocket motors required employee government agency employee student university research involving rockets member representative educational organization involved research rockets organizations tripoli rocketry association national association rocketry members organization demonstrate proficiency construction flight allowed purchase large motors issue waiver regulations request organization persuade adequate precautions avoid conflicts aircraft usual stipulations operation ceiling allowed depending location ceiling feet operator rocket responsible avoiding aircraft operating radius launch site flight clouds visual range haze expressly prohibited provide notam informing users airspace unmanned rocket operations taking place place time launches held dozens year held areas traffic light western deserts black rock desert north reno popular miles ground rocketry associations test approve motors members insure safety depending motor size launcher setback feet rockets powered motor exempt federal regulations unmanned rockets subpart details recovery higher altitude rockets reach feet feet typical rocket inches diameter carries foot parachute multiple parachutes depending payload rockets carry small transmitter audio sounder launches eastern obstructions camera telemetry transmitter video payloads common buying crazy check traffic models rockets information model high power bigger rocket hobbies dangerous activities practice safety flying consumer rockets ranging takeoff weight years extremities intact paul mine feet carries pounds dynamite dokas thing explosive warheads kind allowed rockets forgive shouting biggest misconceptions people hobby remember someday true related rocket hobby crossing road rocket hand mark johnson usnail peripheral products division mail mark johnson rock voice wichita business email 
planet kuiper object found organization university hawaii distribution lines francisco fonseca rodrigues writes tonigth journal brasil announced object pluto orbit found observatory hawaii named object karla working unofficial formal designation program object gaseous giant planet composed rocks ices confirm information object planet kuiper object kuiper belt object estimated diameter orbit determined 
moonbase race organization toronto zoology lines article sysmgr writes launch hlvs send large amounts stuff private titan launch hlvs send large amounts stuff assume launcher development assume launcher development lower costs specific objective build sized interested launching things cheaply titans titan pricetags laser launcher large development program dumb booster cost effectiveness 
moonbase race nasa resources organization toronto zoology lines article keithley craig keithley writes catch boot purposes contest compete afford ride lower priced delivery systems doable demand doubtful develop system assuming cost delivery system separate project spending hundreds millions dollars hopes winning billion dollar prize cheaper develop launch system charging entire development cost contest entry existing launchers demand plan sustained lunar exploration existing launch systems wasting money depends launch system line words great deal worthwhile technology life support navigation developed prior cost launch system expensive stuff forever hate folks waiting cost oops launch system line assuming decade build launch system saturn years depending date start pegasus project start flight sdio chickened orbital development target date orbital flight speed prototypes thor missile service core delta launcher shipped usaf months development ahead pernicious myths business belief build launcher taking years spending billions dollars true 
moonbase race organization toronto zoology lines article dante charlie prael writes doug memory serves atlas outgrowth titan icbm nope confusing separate programs atlas generation icbm titan generation titan titan launchers based generation heavy icbm essentially common programs programs similarity names titan titan completely missiles fuels mind launch facilities pads albeit reconditioning able turf bunkers including prep facility midwest farmland prices strikes pretty damned cheap titan silos handle titan launchers large srbs handle sort launcher massive violations normal range safety rules cares things event nuclear peacetime matter scrapped years 
sunrise sunset times organization toronto zoology lines article rouben math umbc rouben rostamian writes program algorithm compute sunrise sunset times computation long time computes length daylight able convert information sunrise sunset times sunrise sunset times synchronized earliest sunrise latest sunset longest year derive length sunrise sunset times vice versa 
spacecraft navigation beacons reply nsmca alaska message nntp posting host organization burdett buckeridge young melbourne australia lines article nsmca alaska writes idea space crafts navigation beacons point means nail move watch time deactivated spacecraft hardware board absolutely navigation beacons gregory bond burdett buckeridge young melbourne australia knox slick knox knox quick plays lots sick apologies john iron mackin 
abyss breathing fluids organization university washington lines nntp posting host stein washington loss doug loss writes mechanical problems moving dense medium lungs diaphragm fatigue problem mixture lungs expel inhaled pretty quickly residual lungs provide partial pressure oxygen mixing substantially faster slower pressures talking interesting article scientific american time breathing liquid months abyss remember mentioned things difficult substitute breathing fluid viscosity difficult force fluid lungs extract oxygen power breathing effort diffusion rate lungs expelled breathe part expelled part nearest walls alveoli alveolus trip blood vessels diffusion fluid apparently oxygen diffuse readily oxygen able oxygen capacity able dissolve unit volume breathing fluid irritate lungs interfere healing lewis wiml washington 
keeping spacecraft funding cuts reply nicho disclaimer posting represents poster views news software ureply nicho lines greg hennessy writes article digex writes question transfer birds separate agency continous funding support kind ongoing science missions money changing seperate agency transferring control profit organisation able accept donations craft operational greg nicholls vidi nicho vici nicho demon veni 
death taxes give billion article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska article tffreeba iupui writes posting subject threw idea fund contest delving deep budget mentioned granting mineral rights winner actual wording mining rights pointed correctly rights grant imagine fait accompli situation winner give winning group company corp year moratorium taxes freebairn mineral rights government major question decide mine moon mars stop legal foolerie inforce moon declare soverign nation stop acknowledge small company corp organization explore great space earth legal years ahead liek catholic church stating portugals spains reformation made null void happen find nation acknowledged offer services space miner mine asteroids mars moon long sponsor trouble basically find country space soem reason give home saudia arabia nations world part offer services sound crazy means mine moon made busy care worried thing limited short sighted people earth things worry mining moon mars basically drive yeasteryears farther crown piss ancestors thought today born central europe north black read good book tower gods interesting michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
freaks forcing space mining article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska article digex writes line horse puckey mining companies claimed told restoring land strip mining mine coal midwest moon theyare aint talking large mining companies talking small miners people employees people year thier sluice mining semi fashion modern methods point talking coem nome evry year sets tent beach beach washed year sets sluice mining large corps alaska gold company complain opinions learn local table original thing idea space mining freaks thier mineral development places bathroom woods form regulation covering michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
billboard station space dock lines nntp posting host acad alaska organization university alaska fairbanks mile long billboard inflateble space object station problems normal space ideas trusses shuttles combine discussion fesibility topic personnelly liek idea billboard space problem service shuttle dismount havign special docking section shuttle docking billboard springs leak sealing thinking rambling inflated billboard covered inside harder substance polymer agent hard billboard giant docking structure space dock station missing michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
abyss breathing fluids organization berkeley math department lines nntp posting host skippy berkeley breathable liquids remember nova nature things idea touched show liquids showed large glass full liquid white mouse liquid dense mouse float held tongs clutching tail thing struggled held long breathing liquid slow frantic attempts swim humane demonstrations shows breathable liquids made isaac isaackuo berkeley twinkle twinkle lines 
crazy imaginitive organization brunel university west london lines nsmca alaska writes ideas wall wilbur orville wright degrees wrong error human ways important imagination dreams dreams knowledge worthless degrees imagination alleged dichotomy imagination knowledge pernicious fallacys michael generous offer dreams hand letting dreams waste failing maths thermodynamics chemistry choices give imagination wings show flame leave quote invasion body snatchers cotter 
vandalizing organization university central florida lines posted astro make thought wonderful pithy commentary goodyear blimp polluting daytime nightime skies oribital sign visible sunset sunrise pollution night minimal pays space travel spatial billboards head pristine environment jupiter moons thomas clarke institute simulation training university central research parkway suite orlando clarke 
vandalizing added forwarded space digest organization international space university original sender venari distribution lines phil fraering finally bronze remember human activities practiced warrior caste farming caste priesthood profiting caste blessed freely blare presence evening twilight fred baube 
command loss timer galileo update keywords galileo nntp posting host bmdhh organization europe limited maidenhead england lines article baalke nasa baalke writes april command reset command loss timer hours planned mission phase activity regularly reported interesting posts explain command loss timer alan belle court unfriendly home belle terrace fortunate great malvern difficult work worcestershire kerr avon blake temporary england permanent alan 
death taxes give billion organization electrical computer engineering carnegie mellon lines article nsmca alaska writes article tffreeba iupui writes pointed correctly rights grant imagine fait accompli situation winner give winning group company corp year moratorium taxes freebairn mineral rights government grantable granter ability stop taking mind legal status major question decide mine moon mars stop legal foolerie inforce nick easier obtain forgiveness permission people remember britain king george expressly forbid american subjects cross alleghany appalachian mountains subjects basically stop couldn moon declare soverign nation stop acknowledge started bolivarian republic started central america staying power examples ignoring authority jump mind happen find nation acknowledged offer services space miner mine asteroids mars moon long sponsor trouble whaling nations define activities carry scientific research coincidentally requires recovery megatonnes minerals basically find country space soem reason give home saudia arabia lute keyser sort arrangement libya late commercial space launch project earliest killed soviet propaganda nato cruise missiles africa made libya renege arrangement doug loss 
death taxes give billion organization electrical computer engineering carnegie mellon lines post referred michael adams nick completely error nick adams film actor early remember johnny yuma rebel part country michael email address nmsca helped confuse things mind purely user headspace error part doug loss 
sunrise sunset times organization purdue university physics department lines article pearson arlut utexas shirlene pearson writes drexel joseph wetstein writes program algorithm compute sunrise sunset times mind posting responses interested shirlene pearson pearson arlut utexas excellent software program called astro calc latest address corporation baltimore phone neie physics purdue purdue university neie bitnet 
space station redesign chief resigns health reasons organization nasa gsfc greenbelt maryland lines writer kathy sawyer reported today washington post joseph shea head space station redesign resigned health reasons shea hospitalized shortly selection february returned yesterday lead formal presentation independent white house panel shea presentation rambling inaudible shea deputy astronaut bryan connor effort goldin asserted redesign effort track chuck divine 
clementine mission organization mind link british columbia canada lines wales larrison fidonet writes pioneer song cavern canyon excavating mine dwelt miner forty niner daughter clementine chorus darling darling darling clementine lost forever darling clementine hope performance spacecraft sentiments verse miner lost forever bruce dunn vancouver canada bruce dunn 
dreams degrees crazy imaginitive organization fermi national accelerator laboratory lines nntp posting host fnalf fnal article cotter writes nsmca alaska writes degrees wrong error human ways important imagination dreams dreams knowledge worthless degrees imagination alleged dichotomy imagination knowledge pernicious fallacys michael generous offer dreams hand letting dreams waste failing maths thermodynamics chemistry choices give imagination wings show flame leave quote invasion body snatchers michael unfair unfair back taking college courses presume studying hard postings reveal technical issues astronautics attentively erudite discourse brains post space inevitable splendid technical education reading likes involved space adams shows symptoms fledgling member technoculture soaking fast young dreams technical education follow wound assembly line stamping identical neutrinos rumors persist pseudonyms fred mccall bill higgins beam jockey fermi national accelerator laboratory white sands june bitnet higgins bitnet bring view graphs internet higgins fnal bring rocketship span hepnet higgins pete worden 
command loss timer galileo update organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host kelvin nasa keywords galileo news software vnews article alan carter writes article baalke nasa baalke writes april command reset command loss timer hours planned mission phase activity regularly reported interesting posts explain command loss timer command loss timer part fault protection scheme spacecraft command loss timer countdowns spacecraft assumes lost communications earth predetermined steps regain contact command loss timer hours reset week cruise phase lower encounter phase baalke baalke nasa propulsion telos aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar part vegetable 
freaks forcing space mining organization toronto zoology lines article nsmca alaska writes commericial companies space mineral exploration basically freaks make hard minerals earth leave loophole glaring space mining people basically industrial civilization stop shutting mines means worst thing true revolutionary revolution unnecessary problems corrected radical change telling people paradise attained revolution treason vilest kind harness people support spaceflight harness buffalo pull plough plenty muscle furrow work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
keeping spacecraft funding cuts organization toronto zoology lines article nicho writes money changing seperate agency transferring control profit organisation able accept donations craft operational problem raise adequate amounts money viking fund succeed political impact fundraising actual amount money raised fairly inconsequential viking lander work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
command loss timer galileo update organization toronto zoology lines article alan carter writes command reset command loss timer activity regularly reported interesting posts explain command loss timer mistaken usual sort precaution loss communications timer counting continuously hits means galileo heard earth suspiciously long time galileo fault time fallback mode minimizes chances spacecraft damage maximizes chances restoring contact galileo situation common switch receivers theory listening died work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
space news nntp posting host doink reply jbreed organization intergraph electronics lines article henry toronto henry spencer writes pluto atmosphere start freeze increasing areas pluto charon permanent shadow make imaging geochemical mapping impossible shadow close block sunlight hitting expect block view missing 
death taxes give billion lines nsmca alaska university alaska fairbanks writes good deal healthy deeply thought idealism deleted major question decide mine moon mars stop inforce parent company business face earth vulnerable govt sanctions stopped moon declare soverign nation stop imho years colonists dependent earth pull eventually history shows means mine moon made busy care terrorism start international incident dream true crack eggs make omelet sounds fairly irresponsible basically drive yeasteryears farther crown piss ancestors thought today born central europe north black binds stronger space colonists immigrants intrepid asian explorers crossed bering land bridge carry backs michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked dream alive dream cogently freebairn built boat sail sank donleavy fairy tale york 
comet launch organization evans sutherland computer corp lines comet commercial experiment transport launch wallops island virginia orbit earth days scheduled utah test training range west salt lake city utah message group march launch march launched scheduled launch interested kind payload onboard norman anderson nanderso 
command loss timer galileo update organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex keywords galileo interesting question galileo galileo stuck left closed galileo venus flyby pointed venus cook foci elements question galileo manuevers designed point aimed earth emergency situation spacecraft safing seek caused point 
servicing mission scheduled days organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host kelvin nasa keywords news software vnews campion headquarters washington april phone kyle herring johnson space center houston phone release hubble telescope servicing mission scheduled eleven days december flight endeavour space shuttle mission service hubble space telescope scheduled mission designed accommodate record spacewalks capability additional needed decision schedule extravehicular activities evas reached extensive evaluations underwater training maneuver times required shuttle robot based software simulations actual tasks previous missions basically evas repackage margin capability respond dynamics unknowns spacewalks mission director randy brinkley improves probabilities mission success providing added flexibility adaptability reacting real time situations laying specific tasks completed spacewalks officials determined changing gyros solar arrays wide field planetary camera installing corrective optics space telescope axial replacement costar priority objectives mission looked accomplishing tasks highest lowest priority recognizing major tasks gyros solar arrays costar consume time spacewalk evas deemed milt heflin lead flight director mission spacewalks unprecedented alternating spacewalk teams alleviate placing stress crew previous missions requiring evas paid close attention lessons learned previous spacewalks factored timeline estimates evas heflin planning space shuttle missions formulate work schedule represents realistic timeline accomplish mission objectives planning calls water tank training sessions include support mission control center called joint integrated simulations lasting hours addition stand underwater training runs practice individual tasks spacewalk refinements specific tasks spacewalk made based actual training experience months prior mission lessons learned spacewalks leading flight valuable assisting crew training techniques endeavour june flight discovery july mission include spacewalks evaluate unique tools mission evaluations understanding differences actual weightlessness space ground training water tanks johnson space center houston marshall space flight center huntsville inflight spacewalking experiences assist gaining insight time required tasks expand experience levels astronaut corps flight controllers trainers designed serviced space shuttle crew hubble built grapple fixtures handholds assist capture repair procedures telescope launched aboard discovery april time nasa mixed fleet manifest showed revisit mission change science instruments make repairs baalke baalke nasa propulsion telos aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar part vegetable 
moonbase race nasa resources organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex henry built year months months thought mercury film 
freaks forcing space mining organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex article nsmca alaska writes article digex writes line horse puckey mining companies claimed told restoring land strip mining aint talking large mining companies talking small miners people employees people year thier sluice mining semi fashion modern methods point small miners longer miners people living rent free federal land claim miner facts people sustaint heir income mining live full time fotentimes fair environmental damage minign statutes created inthe west uninhabited designed bring people frontier times change people change deal constitutional live industry forever claims spouting nonsense long term federal welfare program outlived usefulness 
planets images orbit ether twist reply uphrrmk oscs montana jack coyote organization lines astro dmcaloon calpoly david mcaloon writes perfect parody needed random caps chuckle loved relevance people starving somalia read aloud week enjoy buffet 
future organization texas instruments lines digex writes article jdnicoll james davis nicoll writes hmm recall attraction solid state record players radios performance lower unit cost vacuum tube systems solid state offered reliabity lower costs processes scaled careful making statements solid state generally reliable analog nasty follow tommy wait minute pleased suffering bugaboos small mind insisting perfect safety people balls live real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall speak speak 
command loss timer galileo update keywords galileo organization texas instruments lines alan carter writes article baalke nasa baalke writes april command reset command loss timer hours planned mission phase activity regularly reported interesting posts explain command loss timer command loss timer timer probe lost data link receiving commands expiration command loss timer probe starts search earth sequence involving antenna pointing attitude consume fuel reestablish communications periodically periods real commands probe forgotten hope clear comprehensible insisting perfect safety people balls live real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall speak speak 
planet kuiper object found organization university western ontario london distribution nntp posting host prism engrg lines kuiper belt object called karla called smiley james nicoll 
vandalizing organization university illinois urbana lines jeff cook jeff cook writes article enzo canon enzo liguori writes space marketing light pollution observations read visible leave night mile long billboard significant effect brightness venus visible complains texas star party years dark venus light pollution billboard dark problem imagine observing object halfway object occulted guess people stating positive opinions fanatically observers typical rights minority extinguished majority matter ridiculous george krumins george krumins uiuc 
sirtf mission alive organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host kelvin nasa keywords sirtf news software vnews universe april sirtf business mark whalen times extra tight nasa budgets survival number missions uncertain major design refinements implemented recent months space infrared telescope facility sirtf major project considered trouble couple years alive project scientist michael werner lighter spacecraft revised orbit shorter mission added expensive project tremendous scientific power bright future werner designed follow highly successful infrared astronomical satellite iras cosmic background explorer cobe missions sirtf cryogenically cooled observatory infrared astronomy space scheduled launch plans proceed scheduled iras pioneering work space based infrared astronomy years allowed astronomers view milky revealed things galaxies comets provided survey times sensitive previously ground based observations cobe measured infrared microwave background radiation large angular scales revealed facts early universe illuminate sirtf potential evans manager astrophysics fundamental physics projects recently project million times capable iras based technological advances infrared detector arrays enormous strides infrared exploration sirtf promised fact cited highest priority initiative astronomy national academy sciences diet directive nasa headquarters year project werner project atlas sirtf based factor design satellite orbit earth permitting atlas rocket launch proposed heavier titan main advantage solar orbit launch capability boosting payload carry rocket circularize orbit werner advantage solar orbit thermal environment heat earth additional major sirtf redesign include shortening mission years building spacecraft half heavy original plan atlas sirtf weigh kilograms pounds compared titan sirtf kilograms pounds adds stressful launch environment werner cost savings million launch addition increased savings design smaller massive spacecraft werner sirtf redesign result congress telling nasa things support sirtf good project develop plan fits nasa strategy shortly sirtf named nasa highest priority flagship scientific mission interdisciplinary space sciences advisory committee addition blessing national academy sciences spacecraft instruments required descoping project alive sirtf major scientific contribution promised advanced infrared detector arrays images developed tens thousands times faster evans couple years werner infrared astronomy single detectors small arrays individually assembled detectors department defense developed program produce arrays tens hundreds thousands detectors suited sirtf werner noted addition dealing budget pressures congress watching nasa projects technological spinoff question things detectors straight military developments sirtf built aerospace industry real technological engineering challenge addition tremendous scientific project sirtf entire astronomical community werner added revised year mission puts premium observing time educate user community develop program involves early surveys quick turnaround data werner downsizing project required reduction scope complexity sirtf instruments infrared spectrograph infrared array camera multiband imaging photometer reductions result losses efficiency capability project hopes start phase activity provide detailed concept development design building hardware begin years projected cost estimates evans million million optimistic sirtf provide tremendous return investment werner added additional benefit project enrichment intellectual cultural environment people street interested astronomy black holes possibility life planets origin universe kind questions sirtf answer baalke baalke nasa propulsion telos aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar part vegetable 
stephen hawking tours organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host kelvin nasa keywords news software vnews universe april cosmologist stephen hawking tours karre marino years visit prof stephen hawking lucasian professor mathematics cambridge university author history time returned april tour hosted chief scientist moustafa chahine merle mckenzie manager international affairs office hawking visited variety facilities director edward stone project scientists managers felt royalty hawking theories attempt explain origin distant galaxies black holes alternate dimensions wanted visit explained interested things space farther steps hawking accompanied family graduate students aides began tour karman auditorium david evans deputy assistant director office flight projects arden albee mars observer project scientist briefed current past flight projects voyager pointed special attention paid gold plate series engraved images extraterrestrial life stumble spacecraft evans noted find variety images explain earth professor asked communicating spacecraft evans affirmed model mars observer albee spent minutes describing project spacecraft features answer question hawking chahine proposed drag free satellite confirmed point concept chahine hawking caltech years professor living miracle power brain miraculous good sense humor stop demonstration scientific data visualization section digital image animation entertained delighted group donned goggles view images mars project scientist eric jong showed latest data comet recently discovered orbit close jupiter hawking curious composition shown images developed asked questions interpretation norman haynes office telecommunications data acquisition briefed professor space flight operations facility hawking spoke stone ended technical discussions interest professor technical group leader frank estabrook senior research scientist hugo wahlquist spacecraft gravity wave experiment planetary astronomer richard terrile explained philosophy plans extra solar system planetary detection hawking party visiting southern california weeks headquartered caltech planned leave england weeks tour departing cambridge based scientist promised chahine return visit baalke baalke nasa propulsion telos aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar part vegetable 
sunrise sunset times nntp posting host cyklop nada organization royal institute technology stockholm sweden lines drexel joseph wetstein writes program algorithm compute sunrise sunset times advice thought easiest fitting sine times gave discrepancy upto minutes sine series good terms eccentricity earths orbit simon tardell simon 
vlbi project meets international space agencies organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host kelvin nasa keywords vlbi news software vnews universe april vlbi project meets international space agencies mcnevin members space long baseline interferometry vlbi project team recently concluded week long series meetings officials russia japan meetings part space vlbi week held early march intended maintain cooperation international space agencies participating development space vlbi project recently approved flight project launch space vlbi utilize earth orbiting spacecraft japanese vsop vlbi space observing program satellite meter radio telescope russian radioastron meter satellite spacecraft team ground based radio telescopes located world create radio telescope network astronomers hope expand radio telescope observing power factor japan vsop satellite limited hour orbit conduct imaging science russian radioastron spacecraft exploit larger hour earth orbit conduct exploratory radio astronomy satellite point source target roughly hours approximately ground based radio telescopes simultaneously point source object view earth joel smith project manager space vlbi meetings held permit japan russia previous experience radio interferometry establish working relationships radio astronomy communities vital complex observations required space vlbi project main activities developing methodology international coordination spacecraft simultaneously rely tracking stations ground based radio telescopes observe celestial objects smith tracking antennas built facilities tracking facilities located japan russia green bank global network ground based radio telescopes precision clocks high speed recorders collect observation data forward information correlator located national radio astronomy observatory socorro correlator combine process data make mission investigators moscow tokyo electronic mail smith optimistic massive radio telescope created space vlbi network provide radio astronomers resolution achieved ground based radio telescopes allowing astronomers closer distant objects space long history radio astronomy ground based telescopes smith intend extend radio astronomy earth orbit goal deeper cores galactic nuclei quasars active radio sources understand drives things radio astronomy smith noted examines active galactic nuclei find jets appearing spew speeds greater light energy levels millions times greater expect astronomers black holes located cores galaxies fuel jets smith hopes space vlbi cores theory supported disproved russian space flight hardware including transponders transmitters tested united states japanese hardware scheduled arrive testing year analysis hardware permit scientists engineers understand modify high speed vlba correlator operating nrao order accommodate data patterns originate ground based radio telescopes involved space vlbi smith pleased meetings japanese russian space agency officials held march proceeded smoothly political uncertainty russia jeopardize country participation project smooth russians incredibly open anticipated likelihood succeed political factors control keeping things scientists sides hard people recognize cooperation level smith points japanese space agency stake fulfilling international commitment science mission japanese extremely cooperative international cooperation essential science mission smith noted japanese space agency officials space vlbi mission opportunity showcase technology involved vsop spacecraft highly regarded mach launch vehicle risks involved undertaking ambitious project smith satisfied planning space vlbi project significant financial political hurdles threaten project fortunately virtue partners falls spacecraft independent scientifically exciting missions baalke baalke nasa propulsion telos aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar part vegetable 
keeping spacecraft funding cuts reply nicho message organization compaq computer corp lines nicho greg stewart nicholls transferring control profit organisation able accept donations craft operational remember nasa apollo equipment left moon decided mccreary compaq laughter 
sunrise sunset times organization lahmeyer international frankfurt lines newsreader version nice tool lucid emacs called calendar request shows longitude latitude coordinates times sunset sunrise code written lisp idea editor program calculate things theo theo wawers lahmeyer international gmbh email wawers lyonerstr phone frankfurt main germany 
weekly reminder frequently asked questions list supersedes organization university north carolina chapel hill lines distribution world expires nntp posting host mahler notice posted weekly space astro space shuttle frequently asked questions list space astro posted approximately monthly covers questions space shuttle shuttle launch dates posted long expiration date copy news spool directory articles space ways copy waiting posting machine internet obtained anonymous space archive ames nasa directory space send email archive server nasa single line archive server return directions index files directory send email lines send space index send space files guide files retrieve answer questions shuttle launch dates posted hollis periodically space shuttle copy manifest ames archive space manifest requested email archive server send space manifest document posting requests information launches landings post followups article respond author 
sunrise sunset times organization nasa ames research center moffett field california lines article drexel joseph wetstein writes program algorithm compute sunrise sunset times wetstein wonderful book jean meeus called astronomical algorithms fairly algorithm sunrise sunset times asimov mail stop nasa ames research center moffett field asimov nasa 
level organization fermi national accelerator laboratory lines nntp posting host fnalf fnal article wingert bret wingert writes onboard flight software project rated level nasa team group generates kslocs verified code year nasa ignorant physicist term level sounds risks digest equivalent large extra large jumbo defcon gather means shuttle software developed extreme care reliablility safety computing world level cheesy dime store software surprising invents standard familiar shakespeare bill higgins beam jockey originally wrote thing fermi national accelerator laboratory kill editors bitnet higgins bitnet reason internet higgins fnal survive past draft span hepnet higgins david laserdave levine davidl intel 
space station redesign alternative organization nasa space shuttle program office newsreader version lines worth uuencode images charts outlining alternative space station designs considered crystal city mark holderman works hall reached comment mail mholderm nasa mark proposed design calls geode rough inside strongback integrated modules centrifuge file geodea space shuttle external tank place truss part space station freedom white track station remonte manipulator system srms reaction control system move track thrusting occur center gravity station mass properties station change assembly inline module design shuttle dock easily approach closer station structurally strong part station current design docking forces limited pounds constrains design docking system hatch installed flight additional launch mass ability orbit contrary rumors circulated reason good reasons performance penalties control debris generation eventual orbit impact footprint orbit vent residual insulation sofi erodes orbit impact atomic oxygen stays deploy kevlar sheath protect contaminating local space environment option advantage providing micrometeor protection incredibly strong remember supports stack launch serve nucleus ambitious design budget permits white module control moment gyros attitude control gyro desaturation module orbit system station life perform controlled orbit kill kangaroos skylab centrifuge volume module long term studies effects lunar martian gravity humans centrifuge momentum storage device attitude control system centrifuge mounted modules opposite solar panels design existing designs electrical data communication systems leverage work date mark proposed design shea committee crystal city reports warmly received rumors hear design based wingless space shuttle orbiter note text interpretation mark design notes files posting file space post anon ames nasa storage space jenks nasa space shuttle program office kjenks nasa development space station inevitable rising wernher braun 
planet kuiper object found organization caltech pasadena california lines distribution nntp posting host sandman caltech recent article jdnicoll james davis nicoll writes kuiper belt object called karla called smiley imaging things possibility kuiper belt object discovered year smiley jeff foust days outer space senior planetary science caltech iowa work jafoust caltech outer space jeff nasa star trek voyage home 
russian email contacts organization nasa space shuttle program office newsreader version lines coordinating space shuttle program office mail traffic energia joint missions mail addresses energia folks post obvious reasons give yell jenks nasa space shuttle program office kjenks nasa earth cradle humanity mankind stay cradle forever konstantin tsiolkvosky 
vandalizing organization lick observatory lines nntp posting host topaz ucsc reply optiplan message article optiplan baube writes phil fraering finally bronze remember human activities practiced warrior caste farming caste priesthood profiting caste blessed freely blare presence evening twilight priesthood forgiven merchants profiting caste rise power steinn sigurdsson lick observatory steinly ucsc standard disclaimer penguin types offend gosh life offensive offensensitivity 
planet kuiper object found organization lick observatory lines distribution nntp posting host topaz ucsc reply jafoust caltech message article jafoust caltech jeff foust writes recent article jdnicoll james davis nicoll writes kuiper belt object called karla called smiley imaging things possibility kuiper belt object discovered year smiley karla smiley subject vagaries slide steinn sigurdsson lick observatory steinly ucsc standard disclaimer worst thing true revolutionary revolution unnecessary problems corrected radical change telling people paradise attained revolution treason vilest kind forum 
space news organization university illinois urbana lines jbreed ingr james reed writes article henry toronto henry spencer writes pluto atmosphere start freeze increasing areas pluto charon permanent shadow make imaging geochemical mapping impossible understanding freezing start occur growing distance pluto charon elliptical orbit shadowing effects shadow close block sunlight hitting expect block view missing pluto shadow charon vice versa george krumins george krumins uiuc pufferfish observatory 
counntries space surveillance organization science applications corp diego lines ethnocentric usian assumed xussr countries significant capabilities track cooperative objects earth orbit grazing couple databases recently found japan optical capabilities line radar designed purposes orbital debris surveys clear radar determine orbital elements objects detects abstracts articles appended leads general question people russia japan space surveillance allen thomson saic mclean abstracts optical tracking experimental geodetic satellite takabe masao itabe toshikazu aruga tadashi radio research laboratory review issn march japanese abstract english paper reports optical tracking results experimental geodetic satellite launched august nasda optical tracking experiment process outline radio research laboratory optical ground station discussed star tracking technique optical equipment calibration satellite tracking technique orbit prediction improvement accuracy tracking data obtained request nasda discussed addition briefly demonstrated position japanese amateur satellite launched accurately determined means satellite tracking video clear experiment optical observation data satellite direction data satellite orbit determination initial launch stages results confirm effectivenes satellite optical tracking techniques radar measurements orbital debris sato toru kayama hidetoshi furusawa akira kimura iwane kyoto university japan aiaa nasa orbital debris conference technical issues future directions baltimore aiaa paper distributions orbital debris versus height scattering cross section determined series observations made high power doppler radar radar japan automated data processing algorithm developed discriminate echoes orbiting objects undesired signals meteor trail echoes lightning atmospherics results preliminary showed good agreement norad tracking radar observations higher frequency found collision frequency space station size altitude orbiting debris expected high years monitoring radar antenna pattern satellite ohzora exos sato inooka fukao kyoto univ japan kato kyoto univ japan radio atmospheric science center international council scientific unions middle atmosphere program handbook publication date attempt mesosphere stratosphere troposphere type radars middle upper atmosphere radar features active phased array system unlike conventional large radars output power large vacuum tube distributed individual antenna elements solid state power amplifier feeds antenna element system configuration enables fast beam steering flexible operations dividing antenna independent subarrays phase shift signal division combination performed signal level electronic devices control computer network antenna beam switched microsec direction zenith angle precise phase alignment element crucial realize excellent performance system careful calibration output phase power amplifier antenna element carried aircraft purpose artificial satellites advantage able make long term monitoring system antenna pattern monitoring system radar developed scientific satellite ohzora exos receiver named radar antenna monitor board satellite measures signal watts transmitted radar principle measurement results discussed equatorial radar system fukao shoichiro tsuda toshitaka sato toru kato susumu kyoto university japan cospar iaga scostep plenary meeting workshops symposium earth middle atmosphere espoo finland july advances space research issn large clear radar sensitivity incoherent scatter radar observing equatorial atmosphere altitude designed japan radar built pontianak west kalimantan indonesia system monostatic doppler radar active phased array configuration similar radar japan successful operation product average transmitter power effective antenna aperture sensitivity approximately times radar system configuration enables pulse pulse beam steering zenith case radar variety operations made feasible supervision radar controller description system configuration presented 
mars observer update organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host kelvin nasa keywords mars observer news software vnews forwarded mars observer project mars observer status report april flight sequence active spacecraft subsystems instrument payload performing array normal spin outer cruise configuration uplink downlink high gain antenna uplink downlink engineering data rate result spacecraft entering contingency mode april payload instruments automatically powered board fault protection software gamma spectrometer random access memory successfully reloaded monday april prepare magnetometer calibrations rescheduled execution flight sequence tuesday wednesday week reload payload data system random access memory place morning beginning weekend flight team send real time commands perform differential ranging obtain additional data analysis navigation team radio science ultra stable oscillator testing place monday flight sequence uplink occur sunday april activation midnight monday evening april modified include magnetometer calibrations performed contingency mode entry april magnetometer instrument calibrations instrument team characterize spacecraft generated magnetic field effect instrument information critical martian magnetic field measurements occur approach mapping phases cals require sequence command spacecraft array normal spin state perform slew roll maneuvers provide team data points varying spacecraft attitudes orientations today spacecraft mars travelling velocity kilometers respect mars light time approximately minutes seconds baalke baalke nasa propulsion telos aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar part vegetable 
magellan update organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host kelvin nasa keywords magellan news software vnews forwarded doug griffith magellan project manager magellan status report april magellan spacecraft continues operate gathering gravity data plot density variations venus latitudes solar panel offpoint returned degrees spacecraft temperatures dropped degrees test delayed aerobraking data readout process conducted week preparation transition experiment difficulty locking data frames engineers presently checking problem equipment tracking station magellan completed orbits venus days cycle start transition experiment magellan scientists participating brown vernadsky microsymposium brown university providence week joint meeting russian venus researchers continuing years simulation transition experiment aerobraking activities planned week including orbit trim maneuvers starcal star calibration orbits baalke baalke nasa propulsion telos aweto zealand pasadena part caterpillar part vegetable 
planet kuiper object found organization university western ontario london distribution nntp posting host prism engrg lines article steinly ucsc steinn sigurdsson writes article jafoust caltech jeff foust writes recent article jdnicoll james davis nicoll writes kuiper belt object called karla called smiley imaging things possibility kuiper belt object discovered year smiley karla smiley subject vagaries slide feel ignorant research post james nicoll 
space station redesign chief resigns health reasons organization nasa lewis research center cleveland ohio lines distribution world nntp posting host lerc nasa news software vnews article xrcjd gsfc nasa charles divine writes writer kathy sawyer reported today washington post joseph shea head space station redesign resigned health reasons shea hospitalized shortly selection february returned yesterday lead formal presentation independent white house panel shea presentation rambling inaudible missed presentations morning session shea gave rambling inaudible presentation attend afternoon session meeting small conference room speaker wired mike microphones table panel members peons foyer conference room watched presentations closed circuit general sound system fair poor speakers committee member italian space agency inaudible shea lead formal presentation sense running guiding presentation attend afternoon session vest show president chair advisory panel shea deputy astronaut bryan connor effort note connor running operations redesign team shea sick immediately panel formed 
surviving large accelerations lpham calstate pham organization calif state univ electronic information services lines amruth laxman writes reading spaceflight handbook author discusses solar sails forces acting gain initial acceleration passing close hyperbolic orbit magnitude accelerations estimated order problem manned craft humans published withstood accelerations long winded question finally accelerations fact humanly tolerable mechanical devices absorb acceleration extended larger accelerations number pilots blackout dives exceed human tolerance clarify advance amruth laxman 
freaks forcing space mining article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska article digex writes article nsmca alaska writes article digex writes line horse puckey mining companies claimed told restoring land strip mining aint talking large mining companies talking small miners people employees people year thier sluice mining semi fashion modern methods point small miners longer miners people living rent free federal land claim miner facts people sustaint heir income mining live full time fotentimes fair environmental damage minign statutes created inthe west uninhabited designed bring people frontier times change people change deal constitutional live industry forever claims spouting nonsense long term federal welfare program outlived usefulness enjoy putting words mouth nome meet miners things south lower visit media news heck plain crazy alot unionist types priviledge forbearers kennedy families married reason historians poli types unionist socialist breath miners average hardworking people taxes earn living taxes answer move discussion newsgroup michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
space news organization toronto zoology lines article jbreed writes pluto atmosphere start freeze increasing areas pluto charon permanent shadow make imaging geochemical mapping impossible shadow close block sunlight hitting expect block view missing assuming normal rotation carries areas surface sunlight earth pole weeks sunlight winter pluto charon extreme axial tilt longer orbit pluto north pole century darkness century perpetual light moment luck pluto charon past equinox horizon poles probes vicinity pole long term shadow steadily worse longer wait work work henry spencer toronto zoology kipling henry toronto utzoo henry 
space design movies article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska grasp pictures space related items space station designs finished revolt grasp prograsm check adult entertainment files geta files create slide shows cshow liek able space shuttle design autocad program revolt michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
vandalizing thacker organization alberta research council nntp posting host rhea lines article enzo canon enzo liguori writes light pollution observations read visible leave night depressed enzo depressed lights daytime light pollution 
space station redesign alternative organization nasa lewis research center cleveland ohio lines distribution world nntp posting host lerc nasa news software vnews article kjenks nasa writes description external tank option redesign deleted mark proposed design shea committee crystal city reports warmly received rumors hear design based wingless space shuttle orbiter things external tank wingless orbiter options deleted redesign options list today edition york times reports connor told panel redesign proposals dropped giant external fuel tanks launching space shuttles building station existing space shuttle wings tail removed options considered presented advisory panel meeting yesterday reported today times option cost modular approach option studied team msfc redesign teams msfc larc supporting station redesign team crystal city lerc reston folks site locations helping respective teams redesign activities features option modular developed lockheed qualified propulsion communications data management lockheed developed force power station capability obtained shuttle flights solar arrays provide power vehicle flies arrow mode optimize microgravity environment shuttle spacelab missions utilize vehilce power source missions human tended capability opposed sexist term tended capability achieved addition common module modified version existing module docking ports added international partners labs taking place nodes shuttle docked station missions orbiter provide crew habitability capability international human tended nasda modules power permanent human presence capability power module habitation module acrv assured crew return vehicle option space station freedom derived option team based larc lead mike griffin option alot existing design love option assumes lightweight external tank assembly flights option number flights computed inclination orbit options build occurs phases initial research capability reached flights power transferred vehicle orbiter spacelab visits tended capability griffin adopted sexist language achieved flights deployed solar power module power permanent human presence capability occurs flights keeping orbiter orbit acrv orbiters orbit acrv logistics supply fault tolerance capability achieved flights addition power module thermal control system radiator propulsion modules flights internationals board power habitation module acrv added finish assembly flights systems option exception data management system major option single core launch station lead option basically diameter cylinder long slap space shuttle main engines backside nose cone attached regular shuttle external tank regular solid rocket motors launch features complete ground integration checkout tangentially mounted fixed solar panels body mounted radiators adds protection micrometeroid orbital debris centerline docking ports berthing ports single pressurized volume approximately cubic feet volume skylab floors center passageway floors housekeeping power graceful degradation failures power channels thermal loops dual environmental control life support system increased crew time utilization micro core module 
vandalizing distribution organization space telescope science institute lines newsgroups astro space subject vandalizing excerpts posting topic article enzo canon enzo liguori writes space marketing working university colorado livermore engineers plan place mile long inflatable billboard earth orbit real purpose project environment platform carry ozone monitors mile long billboard significant effect brightness venus visible complains visible twilight bright miniscule impact short time zipping satellites midnight twilight book prodigal genius life nikola tesla john neill remarkable conductivity gases including pressures tesla suggest published statement system lighting terrestrial scale proposed treat earth surrounding atmosphere single lamp earth transformed giant lamp night completely illuminated making night bright comments protests strictly practical consideration pollution levels acceptable research activities professional astronomers complain rooted aesthetics readers time heavens pristine sacred unsullied actions humans space stars profoundly black abyss full horizons pure half creation time connection petty matters lights supplied solely nature uncorruptable religions based mortal immortal stars apotheosis belief afterlife space changed effect sputniks echo view happen light crossing night puny people impressive sense size assimilating scales involved awesome hundreds thousands miles involved dwarfed rest universe hunger pure beauty virgin aircraft sight live populated area miles international airport light pollution ground ghastly impact humans extreme virtually place exists shaped sculpted modified trashed whipped shape hands places life forms larger bacteria humans cockroaches squirrels rats visited friends appalacian mountains weekend paved roads indoor plumbing malls felt good quickly noticed hollow directly main flight path dulles miles east security light matters heard artic wilderness lots high traffic skies rarely perfect desire place fouled forever tesla idea banish night watch commercial television imagine disgusting beer truck hemmorrhoid ointment advertisements high gotta make buck displaying products heaven reactions beautiful refuge baseness modern life open listing passage evening weekend tonight friday reach altitude degrees local meridian baltimore vicinity mealticket suppose called elitist supporting intrusion night complaining billboards proposed point desire beauty valid perfectly achieved hathaway baltimore 
give billion year organization arco company lines keithley craig keithley writes single goal prize staying moon year wise prize government sponsered unmanned moon landing manned moon landing system extract consumables lunar soil reusable earth moon shuttle find build civilian moonbase infrastructure single goal result bunch contestents giving person appeared give find scary half dozen people huddling rickety moon shelters reward operation competition lastly fifteen years back recall english space magazine discussion moonbases cheap recalled discussed things heat human body produced lunar material protection solar flares remember magazine ring bell craig keithley remember recall apple computer memory keithley peter gabriel album love idea progressive developmental prizes assumption gummint fund prizes thing eccentric billionaire offer prize series prizes ross perot bill gates personally john 
planets images orbit ether twist reply drchambe organization tektronix beaverton lines news saved article dmcaloon calpoly david mcaloon writes ether implodes earth core gravity paper describes heavenly bodys stationary ether sucking structures observe orbital motion light years galaxies misnomer distance closer time matter characteristics phase reality dissipates outward layer onion defining edge ether spin find recommend studying history working impatient made egyptian chinese greek cultures rennaisance insights gelling appendix history kind lots good yarns varied interesting characters 
vandalizing organization univ southwestern louisiana lines jeff cook jeff cook writes people primitive tribes middle budweiser flying movie send quest dang thing jeff cook jeff cook phil fraering find sorts stuff cacs ancient mayans televison repo 
dreams degrees crazy imaginitive organization univ southwestern louisiana lines higgins fnal bill higgins beam jockey writes involved space adams shows symptoms fledgling member technoculture soaking fast young dreams technical education follow wound assembly line stamping identical neutrinos identical star drek syndication neutrino scanners phil fraering find sorts stuff cacs ancient mayans televison repo 
question kkobayas harvard kobayashi keywords nntp posting host husc harvard lines discussions delta clipper program small question understand derived orbital vehicle reenter atmosphere sort sideways completely nose symmetric drawing asymmetric design sort wingless orbiter work shielding required side explain kobayashi kkobayas harvard kobayashi kkobayas harvard final frontier 
trajectory simulation keywords ssto delta clipper organization university illinois urbana lines talks month interest transcribed notes note taking ability means infallible assume factual errors mine permission granted copy restriction note newbies delta clipper project geared producing single staget orbit reusable launch vehicle vehicle scale vehicle designed test concepts invovled ssto undergoing tests vehicle full scale experimental vehicle capable reaching orbit funded april rocky nelson macdonnell douglas gave talk entitled optimizing techniques advanced space missions university illinois nelson involves software simulate trajectories determine optimal trajectory requirements directly involved delta clipper project spent time recently software applications project examples details implicit trajectory simulation interest readers hope fell asleep part interested details gleaned examples maximization payload polar orbit main restriction acceleration remain assume driven passenger constraints hardware constraints verify delta clipper version engines boosters sustainers boosters lower shut flight critical question shut nelson showed plot acceleration time ascii graphs fairly good difference lines made curves concave data approximate graph long mentioned critical constraint levels initially engines started vehicle burns fuel accelleration increases close booster engines throtled back quickly inefficient power makes sense altogether accelleration seconds eventually remaining sustainer engines bring level back hold engine cutoff acutally occur orbit trajectory aimed altitude slightly higher desired vestiges drag slow vehicle slightly lowering final altitude desired questions audience paraphrased make sense shut booster engines pairs perceptive worth simulation shutting part problem final payload trajectory read aviation leak apparently good propulsion told question security sdio protecting national security protecting interests reentry simulation orbit pitch maneuver biggest constraint aerodynamic heating parameter maximize crossrange showed graphs heating models show similar supposed assume meant accurate result polar orbit landing degrees crossrange start reentry profile degrees south latitude asked landing maneuvers aspect flight profile josh hopkins uiuc find make attributed hannibal 
rimsat russian joint venture organization university illinois urbana lines talks month interest transcribed notes note taking ability means infallible assume factual errors mine permission granted copy restriction michael sternberg cheif operations rimsat invited speak informal lunch held acdis campus university illinois acdis organization campus deals arms control disarmament international security rimsat considered topic company russian launchers satellites helped daughter grad student international relations program concept rimsat apparently began matt neilson tonga visit friend ended visiting king happened matt bought king satellite dish king thought nifty tonga million majesty asked make money matt thought suggestion tonga applied geosynchronous satellite slots wall unusual tonga tiny kingdom space program slots thing debated regulatory agency carl hilliard apparently respected space lawyer wrote opinions supporting tonga case eventually tonga ended slots ranging slots designated longitude reside sternberg world excellently communications hawaii pacific rimsat formed slots officially formed nevis haven years raise funds west fill slots western satellites launched western launchers cost approximately billion easy raise kind money eventually idea russian hardware began negotiating glavkosmos hardware sternberg describes operating moscow harsh terms visit long time significant lack creature comforts happy people operate sell show proper documents licenses authority sell eventually rimsat arranged deal glavkosmos satellites cost million glavkosmos lost favor coup sternberg basically bunch operatives trade shows picked lots brochures glavkosmos power renegotiate deal authorities life moscow hotel unfavorable terms eventually worked deal koptev heads russian space program sign deal koptev insisted concessions signing sternberg arranged rules form company exact thing rimsat step meet builders hardware applied mechanics acronym organization located siberia figure spell town atlas built vehicles dawn space sternberg commented siberians musovites hard workers honest people team things midwesterners point comments audience agreed opinion siberians midwesterners sternberg lots good things company apparently lookng million invest firm partners apparently costs russians million build satellite sell million west give specifications build satellite satellites rimsat costs transponder year compares sell time million compared million rimsat launch satellites protons prices bought bulk rights twelve launches lift give address launch scheduled october satellite russians moved place tidbits sternberg kind thing entrepreneurs business business paper bathroom copier russian launches insured promise replace failed launch months major investors rimsat include russell huge retirement fund organization cellsat telecom business southeast asia fund operated names aerospace sort insurance policy takes downplayed instabilites ussr worried partly russia unvarying monolith italy government weeks worry predicted russia worry stability part problem cooperative ventures problem transfering money central bank policy taking hard currency payments putting coffers replacing rest equivalent rubles rimsat pays hard currency austrian bank account pays contractors foreign currency contractors swindled government problems rimsat stonewalling western satellite industry intelsat recently bought type satellites reassuring biggest worry people russian satellites primitive technology shorter lifetime older gorizont horizon satellites lifetime years modern express satellites compare western technology years shorter years western satellites sternberg downplayed difference prices afford launch addition shorter lifetimes replace equipment newer technology able compete older date hardware josh hopkins uiuc find make attributed hannibal 
space station redesign alternative organization university maryland chesapeake biological laboratory lines nntp posting host starburst lerc nasa david mckissock writes text options deleted option single core launch station lead option basically diameter cylinder long slap space shuttle main engines backside nose cone attached regular shuttle external tank regular solid rocket motors launch features complete ground integration checkout tangentially mounted fixed solar panels body mounted radiators adds protection micrometeroid orbital debris centerline docking ports berthing ports single pressurized volume approximately cubic feet volume skylab floors center passageway floors housekeeping power graceful degradation failures power channels thermal loops dual environmental control life support system increased crew time utilization micro core module north america modular space station construction apprach reasoning construction occurs assembly line conditions random weather problems interupting site work home quality control sounds point strange attraction idea living modular home altered mind thing scares part simply strapping ssme nosecone launching vision terribly wrong launch resulting complete loss modular space station peice case staged orbit construction michael santangelo internet mike work dept head computer network systems mike home umcees solomons island bitnet mike mike 
jemison star trek originator news nntp posting host chroma princeton organization princeton university lines article nsmca alaska writes article loss doug loss writes newspaper night jemison black woman space physician chemical engineer flew endeavour year transporter operator star trek generation episode airs week space science interesting doug loss interesting rigth make mention astronaut credits people connect future space present give idea space transporter operator important transport nameless ensign guest appearance expected visible meaningful role carlos niederstrasser things infinite princeton planetary society universe human stupidity einstein carlosn princeton space princeton astra ardua nostra 
command loss timer galileo update organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host sandman caltech keywords galileo digex writes galileo stuck left closed galileo venus flyby pointed venus cook foci elements question galileo manuevers designed point reflective wavelengths cook focal elements figure good scales problem antenna exposed venus level sunlight icarus wings melt glues electronics worried remain furled axis pointed small sunshade antenna mast shadow folded larger sunshade beneath antenna shielded spacecraft mark looper rodders america recyclers 
gamma bursters organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex evidence gamma bursters enormous power wondering quantum black holes fairly close galactic ranges theory flying saucers entering hyperspace reason assumes colliding nuetron stars spinning black holes wondered mechanism exist place closer 
stephen hawking tours organization express access online communications lines distribution world nntp posting host access digex keywords article baalke nasa baalke writes model mars observer albee spent minutes describing project spacecraft features answer question hawking chahine proposed drag free satellite confirmed point concept chahine hawking caltech give tour cgro data fascinated gamma bursters mind hawking propose mechanism drag free satellite coated carries aluminum gold grateful dead albums inquiring minds carry features drag free thought aero braking experimental activity 
boom whoosh organization alpha science computer network denver lines article mcginne caltech caltech kevin plaxco writes article alphacdc wats alphacdc bruce watson writes inflated substance longer needed balloon collapse inflatable structure suffer multiple holes disastrous deflation preasure internal preasure needed maintain spherical shape resistance caused catastrophically deflated large silvered shards billboard dime store balloon wrong give time references bruce watson wats alphacdc 
level organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex subject shuttle software happened hypothesis shuttle flight software major factor loss wind shear event flight control software series violent engine movements shocked harmonic resonance leading overstress struts 
gravity waves predicting gravity wave quantization cosmic noise summary dong dong hear death knell relativity keywords space curvature tesla nntp posting host wksb cuhk organization computer services centre distribution world lines article eric taylor writes eric taylor subject gravity waves predicting gravity wave quantization cosmic noise summary dong dong hear death knell relativity keywords space curvature tesla date article metares flandern writes seas virginia cameron randale bass writes bruce scott bruce scott writes existence undefined synonymous observable physics dong dong dong hear death knell string theory agree dark matter quarks unobservable purely theoretical constructs physics list including omni present black holes bruce argue existence inferred theory original criticism curvature exist relative curved bruce replied existence undefined synonymous observable physics observe dimensions moment defend statement existence unobservable phenomena simultaneously hold space curved simple reason properties properties speak dealing matter filling space presence large bodies space curved equivalent stating refuse subscribe view nikola tesla tesla years ahead time time 
gamma bursters organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host alumni caltech digex writes evidence gamma bursters enormous power wondering quantum black holes fairly close galactic ranges gamma bursts grbs coming equally directions number bright faint consistent equally dense contained finite sphere sphere fuzzy edges center measurements statistical hide sufficiently small number type origin data assuming population grbs data radius center distribution things earth exact center solar system scale oort cloud comets pluto universe cosmological theories placing grbs universe require supernova type energies released timescale milliseconds oort cloud models tend silly standards astrophysics grbs galactic distributed milky galaxy expect concentrated plane galaxy disk population galactic center spherical halo population galactic halo light years radius start grbs andromeda galaxy assuming similar halo comparison earth light years center galaxy theory flying saucers entering hyperspace concentrated spacelanes coming zeta reticuli ceti reason assumes colliding nuetron stars spinning black holes wondered mechanism exist place closer models refereed literature theorists sort unofficial moratorium models observational evidence david palmer palmer caltech palmer gsfc nasa 
rmy space lines army signal corps intelligence photointelligence interpretation play rockets space pretty grunt protecting foward troops flying objects good luck origin americomm dallas info source 
jemison star trek organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex article phoenix princeton carlosn carlos niederstrasser writes transporter operator important transport nameless ensign guest appearance expected visible meaningful role christian slater gota cameo 
vandalizing organization center space research university texas austin lines article thacker writes article enzo canon enzo liguori writes light pollution observations read visible leave night depressed lights daytime light pollution surreal moments srinivas srinivas bettadpur internet byab chpc utexas austin bitnet byab 
planets images orbit ether twist newsreader version organization wilfrid laurier university lines real life 
drag free satellites stephen hawking tours keywords organization florida state university geology dept lines article digex writes article baalke nasa baalke writes answer question hawking chahine proposed drag free satellite confirmed point concept drag free satellite coated puzzled term concept drag free flown idea putting spacecraft accurately respond motions earth gravity field ignore drag proposed years involved ball floating sensors signal adjustment jets ball ball drag free condition respond gravity anisotropies spacecraft continuously adjusting position compensate drag joseph cain cain cain bitnet scri cain 
russian phobos mission organization california state university sacramento lines russian spacecraft fated phobos mission years send back images martian moon housed site 
space debris reply landis organization space telescope science institute baltimore lines fish check richard rast works lockheed missiles site nasa johnson nick johnson kaman sciences colo spgs friend darren mcknight kaman alexandria good luck landis general wife hillary bill 
soviet space book reply landis organization space telescope science institute baltimore lines blazes wayne matson gang alabama heard unconfirmed rumor aerospace ambassadors disappeared confirm landis stsci baltimore 
space station redesign alternative organization toronto zoology lines article lerc nasa david mckissock writes tended capability griffin adopted sexist language glad griffin spending time engineering ritual purification language pity stuck turkey options resembles high speed collision henry spencer toronto zoology sunos dick dunn henry toronto utzoo henry 
space station redesign alternative organization toronto zoology lines article mike michael santangelo writes thing scares part simply strapping ssme nosecone launching vision terribly wrong launch resulting complete loss modular space station peice case staged orbit construction make difference building spares station hardware dumb launch fail resembles high speed collision henry spencer toronto zoology sunos dick dunn henry toronto utzoo henry 
level organization toronto zoology lines article digex writes happened hypothesis shuttle flight software major factor loss wind shear event flight control software series violent engine movements shocked harmonic resonance leading overstress struts sounds abutaha real challenger accident slightest shred evidence harmonic resonance occurred windshear induced maneuvering contribute opening leak path joint sealed puffs smoke liftoff existing explanation related events account evidence adequately resembles high speed collision henry spencer toronto zoology sunos dick dunn henry toronto utzoo henry 
planets images orbit ether twist organization university california santa cruz lines distribution world nntp posting host ucscb ucsc uphrrmk oscs montana jack coyote writes astro dmcaloon calpoly david mcaloon writes perfect parody needed random caps chuckle loved relevance people starving somalia read aloud thought joke joke read aloud david macaloon david macalloon david macaloon geddit dave empey speaking week enjoy buffet 
general information request organization worcester polytechnic institute worcester lines nntp posting host information space program includes nasa shuttles history suggest books periodicals sites novice interested space program todd giaquinto maverick 
gamma bursters belgarath mankato msus organization mankato state university nntp posting host mankato msus lines article digex writes evidence gamma bursters enormous power wondering quantum black holes fairly close galactic ranges theory flying saucers entering hyperspace reason assumes colliding nuetron stars spinning black holes wondered mechanism exist place closer lets class fall notes wing understand remember stellar evolution black holes neutron stars pulsars formed high mass stars star high mass stars live fast burn hard taking appoximately years nova supernova time live long perturbed galactic plane assumed sources plane galaxy catalog bursts recieved satellites solar system pioneer venus pion ginga batse distribution tests catalog tests show bursts isotropic distribution evenly spread radial direction show signs homogeneity clump direction sampling area inside disk galaxy sampling universe cool figure hell caused things suppose stil sampling inside disk necessarily remember interplanetary network burst detectors baseline waay pluto pioneer able detectors tect sort difference angle satellite satellite analogy plane overhead measure angle plane origin arbitrary coordinate system friends mile sees plane measures angle point arbitrary system angles able triangulate position burst find source knowledge able throw halo corona models work astrophysics bursts short timescales high energy black holes pulsars exhibit type behavior case stars bound disk galaxy energetic sources simulated model bursts confined disk sample large distances anisotropy direction clumping sources direction galactic center characteristics clarification means correct honor taking bursts class person modeling distributions pretty kicked distribution outrageous sources colliding pulsars black holes pulsars slowing stuff field complaints corrections belgarath mankato msus post jeremy 
servicing mission scheduled days organization express access online communications lines distribution world nntp posting host access digex keywords mentioned boost mission meaning weight tight margin mission boost grapple stow cargo burn high altitude unstow repair gyros costar install solar arrays return earth guess bother usingthe shuttle reboost grapple fixes bolt small liquid fueled thruster module make boost cheaper mass usingthe shuttle spacewalks carry pallet station solar array tilt motor 
russian phobos mission organization mars observer project tempe distribution space lines phobos mission return data including images phobos surface resolution meters book entitled mars kieffer university arizona press great chapter spacecraft exploration planet chapter authored moroz space research institute moscow includes details published west sites images reilly department geology arizona state university 
launch space shuttle organization university bradford lines newsreader version question based technical aspects space find answer faqs makes space shuttle launch difficult selected exchange student louisiana state august absolutely determined space shuttle launch year america hear long mailing list tickets mail patience summarize save poor people links april cruellest month andrew wong mixing memory desire mail wong eliot wasteland 
servicing mission scheduled days organization toronto zoology lines article digex writes boost grapple stow cargo burn high altitude unstow repair gyros costar install solar arrays return earth reboost fuel reserve evas case chase adrift astronaut idea reboost taking shuttle guess bother usingthe shuttle reboost grapple fixes bolt small liquid fueled thruster module make boost build thruster module shelf item trivial piece hardware include attitude control strong compensate things thruster imbalance guidance provision feed gyro data gyros external device separation left attached afterward avoid contamination telescope opened worry open reboost inaccessible shuttle stays closed duration prevent mirror contamination thrusters original plan orbital maneuvering vehicle reboost planned sort small space suited precisely sort costing develop list applications short cancelled resembles high speed collision henry spencer toronto zoology sunos dick dunn henry toronto utzoo henry 
planets images orbit ether twist alien amigans ross smith distribution world organization muppet labs lines article mccall dseg fred mccall writes dmcaloon calpoly david mcaloon writes ether implodes earth core gravity lack extraneously capitalized words swear mcelwaine changed moved poly find choice newsgroups interesting astro stand astrology frightening posts originating ostensibly centers higher learning country small rest world thinks nuts problems case david posting groups post real thought late april fool joke mcelwaine abian standards ross smith wanganui alien amigans crawling planet face insects called human race lost time lost space rhps 
vandalizing organization boeing center huntsville lines space billboards easier implement writing messages moon time group space activists belonged seattle considered goodyear blimp orbit idea large structure carry array lights goodyear blimp earth orbit high inclination eventually earth collective disapproval cluttering space thing stopped pursuing feasible economics post encourage idea thing figure dani eder dani eder meridian investment company athens location 
drag free satellites stephen hawking tours organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex keywords description sounds gravity probe spacecraft ideas 
read space organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex article mccall dseg fred mccall writes real elvis lemur difficulty telling lemur elvis spell listen songs 
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commercial space news sender newtout lines commercial space news space technology investor number number twenty irregular series commercial space activities commentaries included thoughts developments sigh usual column written plead exigency current dynamics space column lunch hour house quiets night data quickly build stuff complied information happenings column work readable length contents commercial space sales flatten delta wins launch contracts commercial remote sensing venture ahead investment firm calls space good investment ariane predicts launch demand ntsb investigates pegasus launch aborted abort pegasus competitor announced georgia launch site dropped planning spain capricornia launcher proceeding pacastro signs launch reservation swedish space corp china taiwan joint satellite venture reported south korea announces national move space technologies space technology indexes march final notes articles commercial space sales flatten department commerce projects commercial space sales remain flat current data showing percent growth published industrial outlook released january revenues space business projected contrast previous years commercial space sales shown double digits growth rates year projected results driven satellite manufacturing industry sales projected drop satellites worth satellites worth industrial outlook projects commercial launchers faces flat demand coming year predicting revenues increase percent future sales adversely affected downward revision department defense launch plans offsetting flat launch revenues satellite deliveries revenues fixed mobile satellite services projected increase primarily driven increased revenues broadcast cable networks similarly remote sensing products sales projected increase commercial space revenues commercial satellites satellite services fixed mobile satellite ground equip mobile equipment commercial launches remote sensing data services private microgravity research total annual revenues revised data estimated data commentary commercial space industry expected general report news concentrated satellite manufacturing area satellites worth apiece substantially influence annual projection forward years market sector retain strong sales firms successful regaining international market share satellite business sales satellite ground equipment revision data expected released year data mobile satellite ground equipment sales including items receivers portable satellite terminals appears missing january data publishes listing space business indicators year revision commercial space revenues released expect revised revenues easily mobile satellite ground equipment added back numbers year show market growth year data future markets promising projects satellite service revenues mobile satellite services direct broadcasting implemented planned mobile satellite station sales expected continue growth year numbers pessimistic term market growth agree trend substantial growth commercial space sales years pessimism conservative assumptions market capture growth communications satellite direct broadcasting services current players born communications satellite market proven direct broadcasting market financial successes sales growth explosive projected noted year data release show revenues privately funded microgravity research facilities shown janurary data primarily spacehab module planned launch april space shuttle hidden numbers projected sales comet orbital launch recovery experiment module delta wins launch contracts mcdonnell douglas corporation builds markets delta launch vehicle important launch contracts motorola announced february selected delta launch satellites satellite iridium communications constellation april mcdonnell douglas awarded usaf medium launch vehicle contract launch services contract motorola iridium constellation launch launch iridium satellites satellites contracted launched khrunichev enterprise russian proton vehicle launches satellites planned delta launched time providing launches additional satellites iridium constellation planned orbit spares launched delta details launch services contract reported negotiation final usaf contract bidding variant delta launcher contract initially worth million establishes launch options launches encompassing launches launches deploy generation usaf global positioning system block navigation satellites programs option meet usaf launch options expected exercised year usaf expected request launches deltas year years contract usaf request launch demand services time period launch occur days request commentary contracts fulfilled provide excellent business base delta launch program turn century combined contracts potential launches worth sustaining core business base year contracts international commercial payloads nasa medium class payloads business base keeping viable commerical launch company noted risk elements contracts motorola iridium communications constellation received federal communications commission license operation motorola lined financing financial partners iridium venture approvals financial backing iridium launches uncertainties settled year similarly usaf program target congressional actions slowed production block satellites deleted funding program favor usaf spacelifter program time appears contract executed future funding usaf commercial launch contracts reconsidered part national space launch strategy reviews opinions expressed administration congress propose cancellation upgrade programs including programs favor proposed spacelifter program opinions weight year budget deliberations funds difficult find shrinking defense budget commercial remote sensing venture ahead commercial license operate remote sensing satellite approved early february department commerce office space commerce license granted worldview imaging corporation oakland california build operate pair imaging satellites provide multi spectral images earth commentary data released venture worldview announcement operating construction license reported request worldview industry speculation identifies venture star wars spinoff type technology provide digital earth sensing data heavily integrated digital databases remote sensing users probable customers service include exploration geologists agricultural planners urban planners noteworthy commercial venture land remote sensing policy passed november remote sensing data gathered private remote sensing craft sold users differing prices prior remote sensing data satellites sold users prices private remote sensing ventures sell government landsat data prices rumors potential commercial remote sensing ventures working system stages development large landsat spot satellite systems provide majority satellite remote sensing data market decade contrast large government sponsored remote sensing systems smaller market ventures worldview exploit market niches innovative technology find profitability margin predict interesting ventures appearing year investment firm calls space good investment wall street investment house morgan stanley thinks general dynamic space systems division moneymaker failed atlas launches recent analyst report morgan stanley convinced company return atlas historical success rate highly profitable cash generating unit based discussions corporate management morgan stanley projects atlas problems cleared unit earnings year year based projection capturing atlas launches year world market commentary failures launch system hurt general dynamic space systems division restructured profitable core businesses market pundits speculating space business sold morgan stanley report space systems division potential moneymaker current problems sales projected generate loss capture projected share space launch market managed clean reliability atlas launchers generate healthy profits sales demonstrate atlas centaur program back track division continue show substantial losses response sell rumors opinion operation good candidate takeover quick profitability takeover current corporate divisional management replaced firm case division back track management team concentrate hard technical problems atlas centaur selling atlas services firm experience rocket launch operations find talent house able convince customers launch services optimally firm substantial liquid rocket experience experience marketing space technology internationally candidates rockwell lockheed martin possibly mcdonnell douglas boeing firms cash flow problems substantial business contraction boeing involved launch firms lockheed substantial debt martin coming purchase price division chunk change company ariane predicts launch demand arianespace operator ariane launch system projecting launch demand late early february arianespace released annual market survey detailed projection space transportation market decade short arianespace expects retain dominant position sustain majority share launch market international commercial launches planned ariane holds contracts general dynamics atlas vehicle holds contracts mcdonnell douglas delta holds great wall long march vehicle holds launch contracts quarters future launch contracts ariane compete projected communications satellites remaining split weather earth observation scientific satellites future telecommunications demand growth predicted asia pacific region arianespace expects current market consolidation individual satellite operators regional national groups continue groups investing heavier satellites larger communications payloads carrying transponders arianespace predicts average mass telecommunications satellites increase today average level demand commercial launch services expected remain strong years half decade arianespace predicts demand decrease arianespace bases prediction matching satellite transponder demand supply data compression techniques double triple transponder capacity existing term transponders significant market identified arrival launch vehicles including russian launch systems arianespace predicts long term investors purchasing launch services trade launch service quality price russian launch services prove capabilities service quality market penetration minimal commentary ariane releases market surveys annually reported prior market survey past issue comparing surveys outstanding differences numbers notable change consideration data compression techniques reducing demand physical transponders orbit note contrast predictions demand space based communications transponders appears remain strong fiber optic lines making substantial inroads established point point telecommunications markets growing demand telecommunications services world wide point multipoint broadcast services prevented decrease space transponder demand fiberoptic cables provide higher capability service established point established point establish fiberoptic link install cable points improved network solutions installing large network distributed fiberoptic links cost millions billions dollars broadcast services existing ground network structure satellites offer cost effective solution services required region cheaper install small satellite link costing tens thousands dollars existing global satellite network rapid growth satellite services demand high replacement market fiberoptics growing demand grows points serviced cost effective install fiberoptic link handle increase traffic telecommunications data transfer markets growing rapidly satellite market projections remain rosy satellites longer orbital lifetimes current generation satellites guarantees years orbit service contrast years service generation satellites back launch demand satellite owners rescheduling replacement satellite launches longer intervals note arianespace flag year space transportation market supplied existing launch systems term annual commercial launch demand medium sized satellites year supply side ariane capable launching dozen medium sized satellites year delta capable year atlas capable long march japan vehicle russia proton capable systems zenit soyuz medium launches year capability small market expect competition intensify commercial launches ntsb investigates pegasus launch aborted abort pegasus launch orbital sciences corporation spawned investigation apparent violation range safety rules valid abort order nasa range safety officer halt mission overridden pegasus launched violation range safety rules minutes pegasus launch countdown abort command receivers aboard pegasus failed failure typically scrubs launch nasa range safety officer wallops island issued mission abort order minute scheduled pegasus launch command overridden launch team message lost communications channels pegasus launched valid abort call fortunately pegasus functioned expected abort command receiver needed incident spark investigation valid abort order agreed launch constraint rules obeyed leading investigation national transportation safety board ntsb support nasa force investigation marks time ntsb lead incident involving space launch ntsb investigation months primarily lines authority communications links safety procedures launch commentary time ntsb investigation space launch leadership requested department commerce office commercial space transportation licensed commercial launch time writing column initial investigations concluded results starting leak trade press apparently communications channels test abort destruct receiver stopped responding nasa test director range controller mission control room wallops island gave abort orders minute launch mission rules stopped launch test conductor ordered abort reversed nasa communicator relayed order carrying pegasus seconds launch differing explainations happened proposed clear lines communications clear definition responsibilities mission control team understanding mission rules established launch commercial launches procedural issues crop resolved case interesting time ntsb called investigate commercial launch problem commercial aircraft problems problem turn primarily problems procedures communications cleared issuance guidelines launch communications specific lines authority delineated pegasus competitor announced tsniimach enterprise russia announced marketing small space launch system based converted icbm components versions launcher marketed aerokosmos winged vehicle launched pegasus severkosmos launched mobile ground transporter aerokosmos projected deliver circular orbit circular orbit severkosmos capable orbits proposed launch systems data relay system called sineva tsniimach enterprise military establishment focusing aerodynamics thermal protection spacecraft participated development buran shuttle system located energia facility kaliningrad moscow commentary released information venture suspicion russian enterprise hard currency capitalize house knowledge soviet launch systems adds list numerous commercial space startups announced soviet union offering variants soviet icbms identify customers targeted substantial financial backing georgia launch site dropped planning late january georgia tech research institute released results preliminary study feasibility commercial rocket launching site camden county georgia kingsland missile test launching site atlantic coast preliminary study recommended site pursued commercial launch site stating reopening site feasible projected investment returns environmental geographic considerations report site ideal aerospace recommended potential commentary nails coffin kingsland commercial launch site sites proceeding commercial launch site development plans kingsland found customer anchor tenant substantial infrastructure expected returns justify cost development point discriminators judging feasibility commercial launch site include identified customer provide core usage sufficient recover setup costs market advantage site existing infrastructure modified site financing found cost support investment commercial launch site ventures including woomera poker flat cape york white sands alabama shore platform hawaii vandenberg judged criteria opinion ventures flying hope speculation sound financial grounds spain capricornia launcher proceeding official acts president bush authorized space technology transfer joint space ventures firms proposed technology spain build small booster regulatory impediment removed stage capricornia launch vehicle start development year planning launch time period capricornia small stage solid booster designed launch sites examined system including iberian peninsula canary islands originated inta spain project reports development funding technology argentina condor launch vehicle commentary firms identified market opportunity providing small launcher european market small payloads european firms organizations ariane piggyback launches italian scout launcher ariane piggyback opportunities limited scout program phased accompanied disarray italian government space industry follow system left apparent niche european small launch system surprisingly supported development system current space funding structure studies performed british aerospace aerospatiale deutsche aerospace italian organizations exception swedish pacastro system reported able find european development work rumor funding hardware interest linking capricornia argentinian condor launcher interesting rumors surfacing argentina past year space launcher irbm program funded military junta ruled country early argentinian force formally transferred control condor missile program civilian argentinian national space agency comison nacional atividades espaciales cnae condor program originating expanding smaller condor rocket program collaboration egypt support german firms condor reportedly funded indirectly iraq fairly large solid rocket motors built tested argentinan development suitable guidance package lagged propulsion system noted cnae planning launch scientific satellite late satellite study earth upper atmosphere includes cooperative experiments italy launch vehicle selected pegasus russian burlak launched rocket reported strong contenders contract pacastro signs launch reservation swedish space corp pacastro small launch firm herndon virginia announced late february received launch reservation contract swedish space corp launch satellite pacastro launch vehicle performed part polar satellite service joint norwegian space center swedish space corp program upgrade andoya rocket range norway offering small satellite launches polar regions pacastro performing upgrade andoya launch facilities including integration facility fully enclosed vertical assembly building small launch vehicles pacastro pacastro chosen main alternative rocket supplier small satellite launch service offered andoya date launch swedish satellite commentary pacastro line customers funding launch vehicle time small stage rocket fueled liquid oxygen pacastro literature engines designed series rockets built shelf components based lunar module descent engines built capable putting satellite circular polar orbit pacastro arrange construction financing vehicles launch planned orbital launches planned records show pacastro hired provide marketing support systems design primary engineering aeroastro small satellite builder closely pacastro headquartered building swedish space corporation supply engineering launch operations vehicle subsystems marketing support sumitomo corp tokyo round investor sits board directors pacastro round financial package sources place high searching year additional needed design build launch vehicles launch reservation possibly bring investors board estimate single sale venture real hardware china taiwan joint satellite venture reported early march reported joint satellite communications venture taiwanese mainland chinese works reported taipei press china development corp headquartered taiwam links ruling nationalist party planning joint venture hong kong china great wall industry corp objective launching regional communications satellite cover satellite system cost exchange rights satellite communications channels commentary announcement close heels release taiwanese plans space development released january plans national space program office taiwan launch satellites starting rocsat scientific spacecraft planned launch additional satellites planned communications satellites helping taiwan plan program budgeted able establish relationship venture nspot connection taiwan financing pursue ventures current taiwanese telecommunications market support separate sastellite ventures reported tiawanese chinese system asiasat thinks relationship existing hong kong based asiasat program involving chinese hong kong asian investors organizational model obvious advantages pursuing joing venture provide excellent hand experience taiwan cost satellite ventures internal political issues taiwanese chinese ventures putting joint venture hong kong intermediary corporation proceed case east asian satellite market lighting substantially growth projected space services revenues indicator list south korea announces national move space technologies south korea trade industry resources ministry recently announced plans invest research development manufacturing research facilities advanced aerospace technologies space technologies specifically targeted part program beginning manufacture launch advanced multi purpose satellite objective investment raise south korea aerospace technology level world countries commentary south korea quietly working develop national aerospace industry specifically including space activities noting flag potential players coming commercial space market part national effort national telecommunications satellites korea telecom launched april delta designated koreasat platforms provide television telephone service korean peninsula southwestern japan portions china bordering north korea south korea launched small satellite piggyback ariane called uribyol star costing uribyol planned piggyback launch october year ariane made korea uribyol projected launch environment monitoring micro satellite satellite precursor series small earth observation satellites keos korean earth observation system project submitted approval south korean government spacecraft equipped optical microwave sensors south korean press reports claim parallel military effort establish capabilities building launching small military satellites supposedly government panel established oversee effort funded anticipation expected pullout intelligence gathering systems korean peninsula conjunction reported efforts south korean pursuing production work sets existing aerospace technology contracts mcdonnell douglas offsetting production delta parts south korean firms part koreasat launch contracts production consumer space items products south korea exports satellite receiver television setups japan samsung announced teaming production orbcomm user terminals aggressive push space technologies east asia fastest growing sector commercial space services primarily telecommunications south korean push space technologies change composition commercial space market decade space technology indexes march announced issue give results stock indexes portfolios space stocks investments table summarizes results march space technology index market represented index values included index firms represents general increase market space related firms increase quarter promising sign future months reverse trend commercial space technology index pure play portfolio consisting stocks firms pure plays space technologies surpassed results index results march beginning beginning space tech index comm space tech index space tech pure plays final notes column full bunches commercial space developments report start column interesting happenings issue ahead articles works happenings iridium communications satellite market news international launchers appearing disappearing market international commercial space ventures interesting developments hope folks find stuff interesting comments wales larrison space technology investor felicitas multos habet amicos seal beach 
space advertising sender newtout lines developments brought type activities back forefront february russians deployed reflector progress vehicle departed space station banner reflector blank energia active reporting future banner reflectors advertisers space based video logo printed banner commercial filmed development space marketing company responsible merchandising space conestoga booster comet spacecraft pushing environmental billboard laid chief engineer humble university colorado space laboratory preston carter lawrence livermore national laboratory environmental billboard large inflatable outer support structure meters advertising carried mylar reflective area deployed inflatable frame sell concept spacecraft responsible maintaining billboard orbit carry ozone reading sensors continuously monitor condition earth delicate protective ozone layer mike lawson head inflatable billboard reached minimum exposure days released enter earth atmosphere biodegradable material burns release ozone building components literally replenish ozone layer remaining spacecraft monitor atmosphere year enters burns adds ozone supply cheap advertisement costing millions dollars exact costs estimates market exposure people watched superbowl advertising unit cost located atlanta georgia promoted time opening summer olympics atlanta back brian questions details news blip project wild idea stage real funding estimate development costs flight unit launch real claiming tailor orbit overfly specific locations specific times optimum advertising impact piggy back planned launch dedicated launch cost raise legal challenges note potential legal challenge launch vehicle advertising legal challenges amateur astronomer idea additional light pollution prohibition legal challenges court fights remove positive aspects advertising imagine ways make advertisers louts change positive market exposure negative market exposure negate space advertising advantage spend idiot light pollution orbit relies reflected light visible short time local dusk dawn maximum market exposure visible dusk minimizing impact astronomy time worse night thermal turbulence problem ways mitigate real funding identify expressions interest made conestoga advertising opportunity included curious folks commitment heard funding shopping venture money order flesh concept confident firm paying customers time cross post astro guest posting privileges area wales larrison space technology investor maximus 
space advertising sender newtout lines brian yamauchi asks orbital billboards details news blip project wild idea stage real funding collecting data edition commercial space news space technology investor summarize space advertising advertising space vehicles common practice cooperating organization logos space launch vehicle latest launcher prominent logos side mcdonnell douglas delta launcher rockwell international built satellite usaf paid satellite launch navstar program office considered paid advertising public relations restrictions organizations involved launch logos side money exchanged putting high logo side launch vehicle facing cameras advertising public relations opinion note test vehicle prominent mcdonnell douglas sdio logos side studies revenue potentials space vehicles advertising placing large advertising signs orbit shuttle studies early looked putting logos external tank sides payload ventures public relations logos displays restricted firms participating flight involve payment sums logos prominent organization painting pepsi putting disneyworld logo inside payload cameras scan past adverts launch vehicles paid advertising soviet launcher involved foreign organizations allowed logos proton launch italian shoe company advertisers remember similarly soviet cosmonauts made paid advertisement olympic games gleefully shown banners items participating firms organizations mars candy bars plug orbit sponsor launch british visiting cosmonaut firms starting paid advertisements launch vehicles upcoming conestoga launch june putting comet recoverable payload capsule orbit paid advertisements side arnold schwarzenegger upcoming movie action hero usual logos participating organizations columbia pictures paid main fuselage mission conestoga rocket booster rockets comet payload orbit earth month concept advertising display published space news magazine couple months side note robert lorsch advertising executive talking suing nasa charges nasa appropriating idea created space agency form corporate advertising sponsorships nasa spacecraft funding space program lorsch contends selling advertising space upcoming comet nasa violated agreement idea exclusive representative nasa receiving compensation disputed launch commercial launch nasa receiving advertising revenues funding comet program coming nasa orbital billboards orbital billboards staple science fiction time arthur clarke wrote robert heinlein sold moon potential projects developed implemented real prior eiffel project large inflatable sculpture orbit celebrate french republic centennial cont maximus 
true globe makes organization toronto zoology lines article bill uucp bill vance writes earth pear shaped globular spherical make globe accurate actual shape landmass configuration long lines able differences sphere greatly exaggerated equatorial bulge part notice error globe deviations spherical shape smaller resembles high speed collision henry spencer toronto zoology sunos dick dunn henry toronto utzoo henry 
space race ideas moon base cheap article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska idea efficient moon habitat idea people moon prize idea rescue dying moon area liek idea prize moon landing return governmental body idea moon habitat race somthing people involved eccentric millionaire billionaire nice ross feels great promotional thing show care commericalization people broach subject moonbase cheap good idea nasa friends time give expensive stuff late work hubble basically difference peice junk multi piece junk junk michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska option space station design work simple elegant time simple construction versus overly complex basically strap rockets nose cone habitat idea moon mars base captain eugenia reference russian heavy lifter michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
jemison star trek ideas article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska article digex writes article phoenix princeton carlosn carlos niederstrasser writes transporter operator important transport nameless ensign guest appearance expected visible meaningful role christian slater gota cameo idea nasa shuttle astronauts crew found lost space accident worm hole space time glitch jemison years makeup survivour failed shuttle mission lost late shuttle problems media happen imagine astronaut crew member find century object interest alien civilization rescued helped enterprise vegr michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked 
jemison star trek ideas organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex article nsmca alaska writes idea nasa shuttle astronauts crew found lost space accident worm hole space time glitch jemison years makeup survivour failed shuttle mission lost asumes mission able launch 
gamma bursters organization lick observatory lines nntp posting host topaz ucsc reply digex message article digex writes evidence gamma bursters distribution isotropic intensity distribution crudely speaking edge distribution enormous power wondering quantum black holes fairly close galactic ranges good days data thought gamma bursters neutron stars galaxy expected confirm showing local population hundred light years galactic halo mechanism plausible existed fair noted brightest burster suggesting theorists wrong back center galaxy halo population show anisotropy local disk population ruled completely stage avoid anisotropy push halo energy large mechanism questionable start andromeda bursters data consistent oort cloud distribution plausible source spectrum cosmological distances isotropy edge edge universe cosmological distances high energy detect compact source spectrum ergo neutron star colliding neutron star black hole spectrum hard conceivable physics level bursters quantum black holes cosmic strings wrong spectrum thing situation complicated recent claims classes sources colliding easily collision scenarios theory flying saucers entering hyperspace reason assumes colliding nuetron stars spinning black holes wondered mechanism exist place closer remember invite stockholm steinn sigurdsson lick observatory steinly ucsc standard disclaimer laws gravity strict bending benefit 
computer cult uucp lines subject computer cult scott received revision date message scott weikart sender scott cdplist subject stand status redwood city tense stand entered week today authorities reported progress negotiations charismatic cult leader steve jobs negotiators uncertain situation inside compound reports suggest half hundreds followers inside terminated claim staying free jobs persuasive manner makes hard confirm conversations authorities jobs conflicting information heavily prepared group industry times claimed hardware blow recently claims stopped manufacturing agents apple taligent forces group equipped hardware including caliber pieces possibly canon equipment siege attracted variety spectators curious cultists offered intercede negotiations including young identify bill claims members cult recently deprogrammed speak hesitantly lives including forced work hour days subsisting jolt twinkies frequent lectures indoctrinated theory interpersonal computing rejects traditional roles late night vigils chesapeake drive taking toll federal marshals loud rock roll talking heads blares night fear jobs fulfill apocalyptic prophecies worry reinforced loudspeakers carry jobs speeches typically beginning chilling world roland schemers networking systems systems programmer redwood hall distributed computing group stanford stanford university schemers stanford 
order moore book restore great telescope lines nntp posting host organization trinity college dublin lines people enquired availability book great reflector built birr castle ireland remained largest world start century astronomy birr castle written patrick moore sits committee restore telescope remains public display year round massive support walls foot long tube bits pieces book definitivie history earl rosse pulled impressive technical achievement history telescope discoveries made instrument patrick moore donating proceeds book sale restore telescope astronomy ireland making book world wide mail order fascinating read ordering copy bring nearer ordering information astronomy birr castle patrick moore price post packing airmail pounds sterling post packing europe pounds sterling post packing rest world funds payable payment make payments astronomy ireland credit card mastercard visa eurocard access accepted email snail mail give card number address expiration date total amount payments money order bank draft send permanent address dublin ireland subscribe astronomy space time tony ryan astronomy space international magazine astronomy ireland dublin ireland issues year pounds surface airmail access visa mastercard accepted give number expiration date address world largest astro capita ireland eire cost 
potential world bearing stars reply message lines organization saber sistemas informacao article daniel appelquist writes fact finding mission find exists list potentially world bearing stars light years working sort thing principle star resembling mass luminosity planets located suitable orbit single stars double multiple systems troublesome list located ames nasa space called stars kind project infinity hand sousa grab ruca opinions expressed strictly 
vandalizing organization express access online communications lines nntp posting host access digex article uiuc george krumins writes typical rights minority extinguished majority matter ridiculous george called democracy majority rules ytou suggest modify constitution include constitutional dark skies theory government majority rules nature fundamental civil rights annoyed legislation create dark zone light emissions protected zone kind national radio quiet zone radio telescope observatory west virginia mile emcon zone theoretically prevent running light motors conditioners vacuums practice control large radio users 
space advertising organization university illinois urbana lines wales larrison fidonet writes environmental billboard large inflatable outer support structure meters advertising carried mylar reflective area deployed inflatable frame sell concept spacecraft responsible maintaining billboard orbit carry ozone reading sensors continuously monitor condition earth delicate protective ozone layer mike lawson head inflatable billboard reached minimum exposure days released enter earth atmosphere biodegradable material burns release ozone building components literally replenish ozone layer assume studied advertising chemistry granted great advertising gimic sound practical josh hopkins uiuc find make attributed hannibal 
space station redesign option article aurora organization university alaska fairbanks lines nntp posting host acad alaska article nsmca alaska writes option space station design work simple elegant time simple construction versus overly complex basically strap rockets nose cone habitat idea moon mars base captain eugenia reference russian heavy lifter michael adams nsmca alaska high jacked report subject messed 
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sunrise sunset times organization university erlangen germany distribution world nntp posting host aladin technik erlangen lines article drexel joseph wetstein asked program algorithm compute sunrise sunset times advice wetstein drexel compute astronomical things ephem written elwood downey export bonnes technik erlangen 
vandalizing reply nicho disclaimer posting represents poster views news software ureply nicho lines george krumins writes typical rights minority extinguished majority matter ridiculous explain rights talking greg nicholls vidi nicho vici nicho demon veni 
conference manned lunar exploration crystal city lines reply address mark prado higgins fnal bill higgins beam jockey article daviss nasa davis writes blurb manned lunar exploration confernce crystal city virginia auspices aiaa typing steven hope decide eyes ears plan minutes home report perspective space send netmail plan cross paths briefly maintain list mark prado origin send bill clinton 
drag free satellites organization utexas mail news gateway lines nntp posting host utexas article digex writes article baalke nasa baalke writes answer question hawking chahine proposed drag free satellite confirmed point concept drag free satellite coated triad drag free satellite designed built johns hopkins applied physics laboratory launched sept satellite sections separated booms central section housed discos disturbance compensation system consisted proof mass special magnetic alloy housed spherical cavity proof mass flew true gravitational orbit free drag radiation pressure teflon microthrusters body satellite centered proof mass flying entire satellite drag free triad designed navy navigation satellites generation operational navigation satellites flying today nova single axis version discos triad sixth satellite powered flew nuclear power supply space info triad discos found spacecraft design innovations space department johns hopkins technical digest eric hoffman 
gamma bursters lines things detected space looked problems detectors mechanism cosmic rays dector things graydon 
space advertising nntp posting host ngis geod organization dept energy mines resources ottawa lines advertising space romantic episode mead ball lovers watching constellation pepsi cola rising horizon noting stars slipped teamsters strike inspiration article orbiting formation space mirrors published spaceflight reviews technically feasible commercially viable aesthetically desirable days aesthetics count count dave stephenson geological survey canada ottawa ontario canada internet stephens 
gamma bursters reply uchicago organization university chicago lines graydon things detected space looked problems detectors mechanism cosmic rays dector things graydon explain widely separated detectors ulysses ginga burst time fact fore batse widely separated interplanetary network locate random burst detector locate burst field view detectors time burst detector narrow location thin annulus detectors intersecting annuli giving locations locations impossible earth blocked part voila error batse detectors location determination degrees gsfc david comment current state location determination inde pendent sightings detectors helps drive uncertainty touch reference absorption features fraction grbs caused detector nasty crystal gauss neutron star afield peter peterf uchicago 
level organization federal systems software services disclaimer posting represents poster views news software ureply lines bill higgins beam jockey writes article wingert bret wingert writes onboard flight software project rated level nasa team group generates kslocs verified code year nasa ignorant physicist term level sounds risks digest equivalent large extra large jumbo defcon gather means shuttle software developed extreme care reliablility safety computing world level cheesy dime store software surprising invents standard familiar level refers carnegie mellon software engineering institute capability maturity model model rates software development chaotic optimizing beginning rating system discriminator contracts data thifrom page page presentation summarizes wethat interested bret wingert wingert 
gamma bursters organization massachusetts institute technology lines nntp posting host achates gamma bursters extragalactic absorption galaxy expected transparent galactic core gamma rays energy burster energy depends distance unknown answer form ergs megaparsec john carr 
space station redesign alternative organization nasa space shuttle program office kjenks nasa newsreader version lines kjenks nasa wrote worth uuencode images charts outlining alternative space station designs considered crystal city posted files anonymous server retrieve incoming geode incoming geode incoming geode incoming geode incoming geode incoming geode incoming geode incoming geode incoming geode incoming geode incoming geode incoming geode incoming geode incoming geode incoming geode incoming geode incoming geode incoming geodea incoming geodeb scanned color photos scanned briefing charts deleted system manager days time grab interested long ames server space jenks nasa space shuttle program office kjenks nasa earth cradle humanity mankind stay cradle forever konstantin tsiolkvosky 
servicing mission lines organization space telescope science institute distribution world article digex writes mentioned boost mission meaning weight tight margin mission heard hint boost needed grapple fixes bolt small liquid fueled thruster module make boost cheaper mass usingthe shuttle nasty dirty combustion products people monumental efforts clean bolt thrusters 
counntries space surveillance organization center communications research lines distribution world nntp posting host harder reply thomsonal saic message amsat launched birds spot satellite french installation instruments spot heavily armed legionaires prisoners faces spot satellites completely capable good orbit surveillance robert mcgwier center communications research interests amateur radio astronomy golf princeton asst scoutmaster troop hightstown 
vandalizing organization university illinois urbana lines nicho greg stewart nicholls writes george krumins writes typical rights minority extinguished majority matter ridiculous explain rights talking greg nicholls vidi nicho vici nicho demon veni suggesting minority professional amateur astronomers dark uncluttered night give watch commercials programming accept part watching turn view night floating billboard turn reasoning limits billboards scenic areas writes george called democracy majority rules ytou suggest modify constitution include constitutional dark skies theory government majority rules nature fundamental civil rights depth perusal american history show wasps continued practices prejudice discrimination violence races religions beliefs annoyed legislation create dark zone light emissions protected zone kind national radio quiet zone radio telescope observatory west virginia mile emcon zone theoretically prevent running light motors conditioners vacuums practice control large radio users objecting floating billboard move legislating people common courtesy greed money impacts ethereal aesthetic values make human includes wild unspoiled things including night george george krumins serpent rainbow uiuc pufferish observatory 
vandalizing organization lawrence berkeley laboratory berkeley lines distribution world nntp posting host news software vnews article cacs phil fraering writes jeff cook jeff cook writes people primitive tribes middle budweiser flying movie send quest dang thing idea good ideas jules verne gods crazy lesser books remember protagonists balloon gondola travelling africa world balloon drops watch speculate reaction natives finding thing dropped straight heaven notion pursued scott construction scott chase patient sichase 
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keeping spacecraft funding cuts reply chris jones organization kendall square research corp lines reply digex article writes voyager unusual luck stable trajectory solar system collecting fields data routinely squirting mariners stable solar orbit providing similiar solar data mariner craft receiving data referring pioneers launched december november solar orbits study interplanetary space recall reading functioning years launch chris jones 
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larsonian astronomy physics organization university wisconsin claire lines larsonian astronomy physics orthodox physicists astronomers astrophysicists claim unified field theory forces universe explained single laws equations systematically ignoring suppressing excellent years late physicist dewey larson comprehensive general unified theory physical universe calls reciprocal system built fundamental postulates physical mathematical natures space time physical universe composed component motion existing dimensions discrete units reciprocal forms space time physical universe conforms relations ordinary commutative mathematics magnitudes absolute geometry euclidean postulates larson developed complete theoretical universe combinations translational vibrational rotational vibrational rotational motions concepts ward ward scalar motions speeds relation speed light larson called unit velocity natural datum step development larson able match objects theoretical universe objects real physical universe photons atomic particles incomplete atoms charges atoms molecules globular star clusters galaxies binary star systems solar systems white dwarf stars pulsars quasars objects discovered exploding galaxies gamma bursts applying theory model atom larson able precisely accurately calculate inter atomic distances crystals molecules compressibility thermal expansion solids properties matter good detail fancy complex mathematics books books dewey larson complete list late physicist dewey larson books comprehensive general unified theory physical universe early books print inter library loan structure physical universe case nuclear atom newton light space time quasars pulsars motion substitute billion super collider chapters explain chemical bonding neglected facts science universe motion final solutions astrophysical mysteries basic properties matter books published north pacific publishers portland inter library loan local university public library including international society unified science isus atkin salt lake city utah organization started promote larson theory related publications including quarterly journal reciprocity physicist dewey larson background physicist dewey larson retired engineer chemical electrical years died bachelor science degree engineering science oregon state university developed comprehensive general unified theory physical universe develop compute chemical properties based elements larson lack fancy degree reason orthodox physicists ignoring valid reason takes relative outsider forest trees time clear books knew orthodox physics astronomy physicist astronomer point contradictions assumptions principles impotence consistencies larson funds experimentally test theory simply compared parts theory researchers experimental observational data cases explanation consistent theory orthodox physicists astronomers claim unified field theory works ignoring years modern physics explain physical universe parts larson books full quotations leading orthodox physicists astronomers agree remember epicycles crystal spheres geocentricity flat earth theory explain proved conceptually wrong prof frank meyer professor emeritus superior strong proponent larson theory president larson organization international society unified science editor quarterly journal reciprocity moved minneapolis retiring super collider boondoggle contruction superconducting super collider texas gross waste money contribute scientific physicists realize comprehensive general unified theory late physicist dewey larson books strange goofy particles mesons hyperons alleged quarks finding existing colliders fermi cern atoms anti matter created high energy colliding beams quickly disintegrate cosmic rays incompatible environment larger expensive collider create elements anti matter physicists physicists confused types anti matter atoms worth billion cost important wasted money thing primary proposed location texas growing problem kind fire ants eating insulation underground cables poisoning ground ground water insecticides required ants supercollider naming super collider ronald reagon proposed totally absurd built named leading particle physicist larsonian anti matter larson comprehensive general unified theory physical universe anti matter simple case opposite charges types particles rates vibrations rotations photons made relation vibrational rotational equivalents speed light larson calls unit velocity natural datum larson theory positron particle matter anti matter positron electron meet rotational vibrations charges rotations respective photons made neutralize larson theory anti matter half physical universe dimensions time dimension space exists reciprocal relationship material half larsonian relativity perihelion point orbit planet mercury observed precisely measured advance rate seconds century seconds advance attributed calculations gravitational perturbations planets venus earth jupiter remaining seconds prove einstein general theory relativity late physicist dewey larson achieved results closer seconds general relativity special relativity books applied lorentz transformation high orbital speed mercury larson totally rejected general relativity mathematical fantasy rejected special relativity including parts mass increases speed light lorentz transform doppler shifts quasars shifts greater moving faster speed light motion time larson comprehensive general unified theory physical universe dimensions time dimensions measured material half physical universe dimension measure clock time relative speeds values dimensions negligible high speeds significant lorentz transformation fudge factor larson term coordinate time writing regard mass increases proven atomic accelerators acceleration drops speed light formula acceleration acceleration force mass orthodox physicists ignoring factor force larson theory mass stays constant force drops force motion combinations motions relations motions including outward scalar motions expansion universe outward scalar motion inherent universe result called bang mathematical fantasy universe motion recommend book universe motion dewey larson north pacific publishers portland oregon pages indexed hardcover astrophysical portions general unified theory physical universe developed author unrecognized genius thirty years final solutions astrophysical mysteries including formation galaxies binary multiple star systems solar systems true origin degree background radiation cosmic rays gamma bursts true nature quasars pulsars white dwarfs exploding galaxies astronomers astrophysicists ready open minds theory success book structure physical universe larson predicted existence exploding galaxies years astronomers started finding consequence larson comprehensive theory quasars discovered related explanation gamma bursts astro physicists astronomers scratching heads mysterious gamma bursts originally thought originate neutron stars disc galaxy gamma telescope earth orbit detecting directions uniformly source locations space correspond objects cases directional coincidence gamma bursts consequence general unified theory physical universe developed late physicist dewey larson page book universe motion published gamma bursts coming supernova explosions anti matter half physical universe larson calls cosmic sector relationship anti matter material halves physical universe connected gamma bursts material half space seemingly random source locations bursts correspond objects directions uniformly close space source location gamma burst kill life earth predict stop mass extinctions past blamed impacts comets asteroids caused nearby gamma bursts larsonian binary star formation half stars galaxy vicinity binary double orthodox astronomers astrophysicists satisfactory theory form binary star systems consequence comprehensive general unified theory physical universe developed late physicist dewey larson summarize larsons explanation detailed chapter book universe motion books larson stars generate energy fusion small fraction slow gravitational collapse rest results complete annihilation heavy elements heavier iron element destructive temperature limit heavier element lower limit star internal temperature increases grows mass accretion absorption decay products cosmic rays gradually reaching destructive temperature limit lighter lighter elements internal temperature star reaches destructive temperature limit iron type supernova explosion iron present related structure iron atoms atom building process larson explains books star explodes lighter material outer portion star blown outward space speed light heavier material center portion star bouncing close speed light high temperature explosion pushes material speed light expands outward time equivalent space disappears long periods time masses start fall back gravitationally material blown outward space starts form giant star material blown outward time starts form white dwarf star stars start moving back main sequence opposite directions diagram chances masses falling back exact location space making single lone star form binary system orbiting larson white dwarf star inverse density gradient densest surface material center widely dispersed blown outward time eliminates resort mathematical fantasies degenerate matter neutron stars black holes larsonian solar system formation mass heavy material center exploding star small single white dwarf star mini white dwarf stars revolving giant star dimensional time affected heat planets chapter universe motion larson information principles comprehensive general unified theory physical universe derive version bode black hole fantasy heard physicist stephen hawking recently completed theoretical mathematical analysis black holes merging single black hole concluded black hole mass original black holes result recognized flag causing widespread doubt idea black holes reading physicist dewey larson books comprehensive general unified theory physical universe book universe motion clear black holes mathematical fantasies strange object cygnus unusually massive white dwarf star black hole orthodox astronomers physicists badly prove theory understand publicity physicist stephen hawking physicists astronomers acting hawking severe physical problem makes wiser attention physicist dewey larson alive widespread publicity attention larson theory books organization international society unified science electro magnetic propulsion heard concept years connection unorthodox inventors able find work constructed found clue work pages book basic properties matter late physicist dewey larson describes part larson comprehensive general unified theory physical universe quote paragraph preceding chapter development theory universe motion arrives totally concept nature electrical resistance electrons find derived environment brought volume larson book motion physical processes operation produce electrons substantial quantities motions constitute electrons cases absorbed atomic structures opportunities utilizing type motion structures limited large excess free electrons material sector material half universe uncharged uncharged state electrons move respect extension space inherently rotating units space relation space space motion open space uncharged electron remains permanently location respect natural reference system manner photon context stationary spatial reference system uncharged electron photon carried outward speed light progression natural reference system material aggregates exposed flux electrons similar continual bombardment photons radiation processes discussed electrons returned environment electron population material aggregate earth stabilizes equilibrium level note larson theory uncharged electrons massless basically photons light frequency unit frequency spinning axis rate unit rate unit velocity speed light vibrational rotational equivalents speed light larson theory labels mixed larson outer space filled mass charged electrons flying speed light true electro magnetic propulsion fields spacecraft able interact electrons particles space giving charge mass shooting rear achieve propulsion larson theory electrical charge dimensional rotational vibration frequency unit frequency superimposed rotation particle paragraph quoted give clue confused meteorologists lightning generated clouds suppression larsonian physics comprehensive general unified theory physical universe developed late physicist dewey larson years published book structure physical universe totally scientific hawking wheeler sagan sacred priests religion call science physics astronomy scientific literature education systems totally ignore larson theory larson theory excellent explanations things puzzling orthodox physicists astronomers gamma bursts nature quasars larson theory deserves honestly openly discussed physics chemistry astronomy journals basic principles larson theory included related courses madison cambridge cornell university students dark worthy alternative dogma information answers questions consult cited sources larson books altered reproduction dissemination important partial summary encouraged robert mcelwaine physics astronomy 
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love organization bell northern research ottawa canada lines excellent tract lengthy posting thought share feel free pass feel benefit richly bless read kind question read sees signs tracts books bumper stickers loves true true offers love world read quoted verses bible loved world gave begotten whosoever believeth perish everlasting life john love qualified bible wicked abomination lord loveth followeth righteousness proverbs lord knoweth righteous ungodly perish psalm wicked decent moral person surely good life outweighs verses apply standard righteousness moral person looked desperate sinner hell bible teaches good heaven contrary sinners guilty written righteous understandeth seeketh romans heart deceitful things desperately wicked jeremiah wicked person sight bible teaches world wicked eternal punishment place called hell fire kindled mine anger burn lowest hell consume earth increase fire foundations mountains heap mischiefs spend mine arrows burnt hunger devoured burning heat bitter destruction send teeth beasts poison serpents dust deuteronomy hell real surely things hell real things individ lord jesus christ savior bible makes references hell indicating eternal consists perpetual suffering whosoever found written book life cast lake fire revelation world angels sever wicked cast furnace fire wailing gnashing teeth matthew lord jesus revealed heaven mighty angels flaming fire taking vengeance obey gospel lord jesus christ punished everlasting destruction presence lord glory power thessalonians terrible create hell hell terrible exists created accountable actions perfect justice demands payment wages death romans judgment seat christ receive things body hath good corinthians idle word speak give account thereof judgment matthew world brought life judged hell find substitute bearing punishment eternal damnation sins earth jesus christ bear wrath sheep astray turned lord hath laid iniquity isaiah wounded transgressions bruised iniquities chastisement peace stripes healed isaiah delivered received christ died sins scriptures buried rose scriptures corinthians hath made knew made righteousness corinthians trust christ substitute punished sins worry hell anymore believed christ savior stood judgment throne christ substitute paid sins believeth hath everlasting life believeth life wrath abideth john agree bible christ savior saved hell believing christ means agreeing minds truths bible means hang lives means entrust part lives truths bible means turn sins serve christ lord serve masters hate love hold despise serve mammon matthew repent converted sins blotted times refreshing presence lord acts escape hell jesus religions followers hell escape fact holds account able sins demands sins religions provide substitute bear sins followers christ able bear guilt save salvation heaven saved acts jesus truth life cometh father john confess sins faithful forgive sins cleanse unrighteousness john desperate hell remember throw altogether mercies hopeless condition sinner save publican standing afar lift eyes heaven smote breast merciful sinner luke sirs saved lord jesus christ thou shalt saved acts christ wonderfully saves lord jesus faith pray give faith jesus christ savior grace saved faith gift ephesians works bible give faith business salvation opportunity hear study bible word brochure verses bible indented paragraphs give heed heart faith cometh hearing hearing word romans surrender total humility acknowledging sinfulness helplessness trusting totally sacrifices broken spirit broken contrite heart thou wilt despise psalm sinners love sins begin pray intense hatred sins sincerely desire salvation begin turn sins strengthens sins sending hell raised jesus bless turning iniquities acts bible teach attend church regularly baptized save things save work kind secure salvation salvation sovereign gift grace mercy good pleas salvation works boast ephesians happen world trusted jesus savior transformed glorious eternal bodies christ forever lord descend heaven shout voice archangel trump dead christ rise alive remain caught clouds meet lord lord thessalonians happen earth time destroy entire universe fire create heavens earth christ reign believers forever lord thief night heavens pass great noise elements melt fervent heat earth works burned promise heavens earth dwelleth righteousness peter bible give idea earth christ saved plans save gospel kingdom preached world witness nations matthew close world information bible timing history world tells lord thief night unsaved thief believers evidence bible world return christ close time clues bible point peace safety sudden destruction cometh travail woman child escape thessalonians surely lord revealeth secret servants prophets amos means judgment warned ancient nineveh destroy great city gave forty days warning jonah began enter city journey cried forty days nineveh overthrown jonah people nineveh king humbled repented sins cried mercy beast covered sackcloth mightily turn evil violence hands turn repent turn fierce anger perish jonah hear prayers saved great people nineveh mercy judg ment time saved time short escape neglect great salvation began spoken lord confirmed heard hebrews salvation glory rock strength refuge trust times people pour heart refuge psalm book entitled written harold camping presents biblical information time information obtain copy receive free program guide list radio stations hear gospel programs write family radio oakland california united states amer call foregoing copy love tract printed free charge family radio number minor made layout facilitate computer printing distribution change text paragraph describes biblical passages text original tract italic lettering indented paragraphs read camping book compared bible actual find credible research respect future holds agree data ignore guaranteed life matters christ return natural tendency postpone caring eternal destiny feel death imminent senseless likelihood 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quality catholic liturgy organization ohio state university lines opinion netters subject bothering wife liturgy catholic liturgy years events mass driving crazy grace filled aspect liturgical tradition priest makes kind dialogue present masses participatory prayers proportion participation fallen proportion sitting watching listening generally told happening growing sunday palm sunday local church palm sunday congregation participates reading passion taking role theology profound crucify back today chills week invited gospel passion listen orwellian invitation saddened role typical shift participation people musicians readers things introduced liturgy happening things explained pretty mass sitting listening spacing case mass mind blame liturgy committees made experts liturgy committee bias fact bureaucratic life simpler liturgy fact make easier people aware lord presence wondering oddballs quality mass facetiously mass thursday friday reminded power simple liturgy make aware presence obligatory sunday masses offer noticed declining congregational participation catholic masses john murray 
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prayer jesus organization university kentucky dept math sciences lines munns wisc scott munns writes dormitory bible discussion christian roommate christian floor close accepting christ started disciple treat baby believers indepth subjects parables discussion prayer eventually pray jesus excellent question real answer question pray jesus people jesus prayed listened spite sins discussions interpreted bible feel pray remember jesus people talked talked back audible dreams today bible gods died savior things gods pray bible jesus verses granted eternal life present jesus present leonard space intentionally left blank 
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deification organization storagetek engineering lines aaron bryce cardenas writes basically prophet writings make testament apostles writings make testament writings recorded bible foundation church hayesstw unisa steve hayes writes peculiar interpretation text apostles prophets people writings testament prophets built churches remember doctrine witnesses prophets testified coming apostles testified prophesy apostle answer especial witness suppose personal witness means true apostle christ lets church quit claiming 
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revelations organization university georgia athens lines article topcat tredydev unisys albrecht writes suggestion prophecy cyclical elaborate suggestion relate isaiah prophecy birth christ virgin cycles prophecy cyclical word aspect case virgin birth prophecy applied prophetically christ army threatened king cease threat short time prophecied christ prophecies refered christ application time made egypt called refers israel prophetically christ heathen rage david christ scripture quoted judas bishoprick isaiah disciples applied christ hebrews children thou hast preterist view account phenomenon link link hudson 
organization austin lines article jadaley unomaha jill anne daley writes definition examples person committing bring closer strict ambiguous implies staying christian satisfied imply imply sleeping imply simpler definition counter great commandments love love neighbor love action yell kids discipline time loving teach proper behavior yell kids anger selfishness post excellent article interested sharing opinions feedback learning post article realize wise chris mussack 
opinions asked rejection organization netcom lines william mayne mayne wrote article jayne guild jayne kulikauskas writes people reject heaven spend lives choosing force shocked impression jayne kulikaskas writes offensive ludicrous offensiveness intentional clear christians jayne stands pretty good company lewis wrote book promoting idea contained sentence quoted called final divorce excellent book subject heaven hell highly recommended allegory souls invited beseeched enter heaven reject offer heaven means giving false pride kellett jkellett 
prophetic warning york city organization university georgia athens lines article evensont colorado evenson thomas randall writes brings open question bible closed book scripture told jesus told imply pouring revelation people feel concept closed canon cast shadow contemporary prophets hand open canon people running told told days people heard heard glands mario murrillo mentioned sermon told lord gave song worst song heard gave song murillo anymore speak people today idea contrary idea closed cannon ireneaus wrote gifts spirit church century testament cannon identical today believed closed cannon prophets prophesied prophecies recorded scriptures prophet kings starts prophecied king lose battle prophecy gave recorded scripture prophecies king complained heard prophecy prophesies good paragraph lifetime prophecies recorded scripture numerous examples barnabas prophet acts apostle writings recorded scripture agabus prophecies mentioned scripture prophet gave prophecy genuine make scripture interesting note called prophecies inspired translation scripture call prophecy misleading knowledge translations scripture familiar prophecies give applications scripture similar examples bible times peter interprets prophecies seemingly prophetic bishoprick judas office clearer found matthew jesus prophesying happen return quotes passage joel darkened moon turning blood scriptural prophecy prophecy sort thing cross word knowledge gifts spirit overlap words knowledge wisdom overlap word knowledge prophecy overlap interpretation tounges similar prophecy healings considered miracles distinction gifts hazy imho matter able label phenomenon long recognize work spirit leading link hudson 
christians aids organization applied research laboratories university texas austin lines article marka harris mark ashley writes article kevin pictel kevin davis writes christians abstinence moment overcome desire compromise rationalize poor choices week guilty anger jealousy mess stuff forgiven condemned suffer aids suggest aids deserved ludicrous rules made point stupid eventually learns lesson experience important realize actions consequences rules made good suggest disease punishment types taking things kind mouth disease lying mouths left developed blindness time lusted dare walking walls aids problem people involved deviant sexual behaviour people received tainted blood blame show mankind affected actions terrible consequences real careful consequences punishment jews jesus time believed sickness result jesus healed blind blind show glory aids punishment sexual diseases cancer multiple sclerosis debilitating terrible aids linked specific behavior lifestyle addition imho forgiveness things matter atonement aids atonement extremely important missed mark suggesting aids atonement atonement jesus christ period central message gospel perfect sacrifice required sins made lamb sacrifice atoned sins past present future require pennance sins require atonement graciously suggest aids consequence atonement sins literally spitting sacrifice jesus made case extremely angry upset things rationalizing fears phobias reaching people aids socially unacceptable diseases disease actions irrelevant jesus christ good analogy people aids modern lepers jesus healed lepers heal people aids earth ultimate sense door neighbor aids recently deeper committed relationship theology grace covers amazing thing gaining weight disease years health excellent occassional skin rashes attributes improvement health intervention life suggest disease kind punishment glorified disease paul overstreet country singer good song title applies grace experience accept grace mark ashley disclaimer opinions expressed marka harris uunet marka reflect opinion policies lost angelino harris corporation paul conditt internet conditt arlut utexas applied research phone laboratories fedex burnet road austin texas university texas postal austin texas austin texas wonderful place texas live tt tt texas tech lady raiders champions ncaa national champions tt 
essene testament organization umiacs university maryland college park lines william christie asked essene andrew kille reponded collection gospels essene gospel peace derived gnostics essenes ostensibly translations syriac texts fourth centuries vaguely recall find copy recent criticism listserv academic biblical scholars book modern fakes 
organization grass valley group grass valley lines seldom posts group christendom listening dialog topic things started daughter christian school sends home weekly update school related topics week interesting article written leader national christian school organization trip recently made jerusalem introduced rabbis working project rebuild temple jerusalem article included photos furnishings made preparation furnishing rebuilt temple specifications bible striking fact plans temple complete group awaiting permission israeli government beginning building startling fact recent archeological discovery original site temple unoccupied building previously thought original site underneath mosque making rebuilding impossible sparking holy appears stands rebuilding resuming sacrifices scriptures happen days israeli government give permission start hand holding project ready happen brothers sisters time hand redemption drawing postings range weekends people propagation problems 
prayer jesus organization lines makes prayer jesus means jesus simply things attitude belong jesus frank 
lazarus smell lines discussion jesus spoke aloud lazarus surprised noticed verse immediately preceeding father listening knew listen sake people standing made messenger goodspeed translation guess lazarus sake crowd rolfe rolfe rolfe rolfet 
rise reply luomat organization allegheny college lines article emery fluke john emery writes excellent post deleted space suffering persecution meant believer probable supposed conspiracy forward confess thing hoax reasonable disciples make resurrection sincerely believed jesus risen dead light sufferings believed jubilee conference year pittsburgh speaker spoke talked things mentioned post detail paraphrase suppose part christian consipracy people christ risen mind stoning burned alive crucifixion talk scourging whip broken pottery metal bone find attached stood facing wall protect whip time tear flesh instant incredibly intense pain drop knees scream agony back torn coming scream stop swear life stop amazing believed faith torture fool forward excellent post john taking time luoma merciful fought good fight sinner luke finished live christ faith gain philippians 
questions newbie organization university virginia lines life pass fail grade curve vaguely religious people specifically infinite number heavens person deserves simply heaven hell graded unchanging method person childhood account sound simplifications figure experts quinn eschatology area christians agree suspect primary source information prophets visionaries writings tend highly symbolic jesus teachings gospels books revelation john talk primarily difference eternal life eternal death number occasions jesus things imply sort differentiation number similar passages jesus things judgement talks heaven skin teeth passages interpreted suggesting separate heavens differing levels prestige punishment heaven hell christians christian group believes multiple heavens mormons mainstream christianity readers call christian ideas area involve specific mormon revelations addition bible holy tradition generic christian sort note christians cringe thought associating grading point christ free results test possibly pass test analogies grades strict unbending scale cheats replaces test papers exam prepared teacher grading people heaven hell easy inclined grading differences branches christianity details agree cheats personally sceptical claims cheating extends accept people explicitly acknowledge christ follow hearts christians principle jesus provided clear description saved clear provided exact description place dividing line made clear expect individuals saved 
prophetic warning york city organization university illinois dept comp urbana lines evensont colorado evenson thomas randall writes suppose true people make mistakes interesting note long days correct prophecies people longer believed death differences prophecy prophecy expected believers gather people prophesy prophecy judged killing makes mistake make mistakes true make mistakes filled spirit true true entire bible written inspired subject errors prophecy revelations scripture scripture scripture gift scripture made mistakes filled spirit give grace people make mistakes grow spiritual gifts minister small group encourage people speak impressions images lord wrong case handle time fall learning ride bicycle learned failures successes spiritual gifts experience brings open question bible closed book scripture told jesus told imply pouring revelation people feel concept closed canon cast shadow contemporary prophets hand open canon canon scripture complete longer speaks heard voice audibly nonetheless heard equivalent scripture heard contemporary prophets claim receive lord level scripture contrary mature obey scriptures submitting prophecies fellow believers judgement reliable yardstick judging prophecies scriptures canon closed silent interesting note called prophecies inspired translation scripture call prophecy misleading knowledge gift knowledge exciting talk call horse horse matter called question label receive words knowledge incidentally similar prophecy overlap generally supernatural knowledge fact reid fool reid uiuc gain lose elliot 
ancient books organization tektronix beaverton lines lost weekend accident moderator improved version loss time standard work detecting forgeries ancient documents writing friedrich blass hermeneutrik kritik einleitende hilfsdisziplinen handbuch klassischen altertums wissenshaft noerdlingen beck portions nibley prophetic book mormon deseret book attempt reading forewarned nibley describes blass typical german scholar claims knowledge subject proceeds exhaust subject reader nibley extract blass work form rules forgers makes interesting reading confess read blass work nibley extract thereof german falls short required english translation techniques describes widely competent classical scholar examine purportedly ancient document determine consistent expect genuine document time frame able prove wrote able determine reasonable confidence time culture forgery types purportedly ancient documents alleged actual holographs early copies thereof dead scrolls tested scientific means determine paper inks objects found provide pretty clear dating actual physical objects documents claiming copies ancient works copy recent find document monks monastary claim copy centuries generations copists problem tested test simple expect test physical objects confine testing text important remember tests document claims date document identify culture origin heard letter supposed written jesus king iraq document turn scholars date paper assuming holograph check language content writing style consistent expected palestinian time test results positive determine jesus wrote time culture barring sample jesus handwriting clues comparison scholarship stop seldom determine actual author expert blas work remember tests applied alleged copies ancient works specifically document internally consistent contradict work short easy maintain internal consistency forgery longer forgery difficult maintain consistency reason successful forgers stick short documents consistent history geography time short specific work testable writing significant length forger able escape detection minor inconspicuous things culture thinking forger find numerous trivial check devil details literary style work figures speech ancient writer speak ways strange phrases book culture complications document translated possibly updated language copied cases language culture claimed allowed recent copies problems reduce certainty necessarily prove forgery tests effective material work easy require skills historian linguist anthropologist questions aspect document consistent culture claimed origin things significant problem areas lack knowledge copists significant ambiguity culture result testing occasionally case holographs ancient copies probability indication document parts authentic parts additions unsettling generation raised problems solved minutes time commercials real world scholarship offer 
christian dirty word organization anasazi lines article scarolina moss scarolina james moss writes brought christian christian longer taste mouth christianity faith accept live life teachings christ called christian beacuse things christianity question give organization philosophy political movement evil missing central teaching christianity inherently sinful saved faith grace knowing believing make christians manage head churches lord lord enter kingdom heaven father heaven matt problem inconsistancies bible people edited original documents world views leaving bible unbelievable source historical documents trust hannibal crossed alps historical documents stood scrutiny attempts credit bible dislike christians quit witnessing matter times stop christian faith organized religion moment support shame feel browbeat believing succeed driving difficult questions afterlife require salvation attain answer question attain salvation eastern religions modern offshoots movement teach require form form needless discussion lifetime people comprise life writings position offer answers pointers manage unshaken faith entire lives spritual life difficult journey read pilgrim progress highly recommend greatest allegory english language peace love james moss close source trouble conflict politcal beliefs religious upbringing wrote faith accept live life teachings christ christ referred father mother maleness maleness humans possess chromosome honor refer female purely trendy discriminatory politically correct disparages women intent male pronoun refer women english decent neuter pronouns chose woman human partner bringing christ human population launch detailed discussion role women christianity hours sleep reason apologize shortcomings article happened felt moved reply hope finds similar frame mind contemplate karl dussik 
arrogance christians organization hell lines article eeap cwru virgilio dean velasco wrote affirm absolutes scripture arrogant moralists truth revealed truth word hold precious strategic importance absolutes pardon humble atheist difference holding revealed truth blind faith basis evidence find contrary absolute truth fully expecting people arrogance sound time meet christian matter theist convert find proven wisdom whatsoever words unfaithfully pixie sincerely exists follow blindly words question authority defy theist reply 
accepting jeesus heart organization educational computing network lines firstly atheist posting immature flame start express opinion intended audience meaning existence question daily live fear happen licking lips person edge accepting jeezus raised religious atmosphere attended years religious educational institutions bible recognize passages memory human animal advanced mental facilities developed religious satisfiable solution explain unexplainable ancient greeks believed apollo drove chariot real advancement technology false christianity infectious cult reasons flourishes people hope driven purpose life safety blanked hide follow christian moral standard eternal happiness found jeezus brink digress reason christianity flourishes infectious nature friend mine breifly entered christian group months ministry guidelines basicaly priority spread word animals sleep food reproduce religion christianity drug people drugs escape reality christians inject jeezus live high pities millions lives lost religious wars christianity small part christians believer person blind truth realize live mask fakeness jesus prophet happened large influence time romans circa dispersing jewish population communities needed sort cohesive element strong time dire thoughts christianity damien endemyr unpure knight doom acquired taste blood adopted nocturnal lifestyle doesnt vampire 
arrogance christians lines eeap cwru virgilio dean velasco writes thought share words received letter moody bible institute couple months words james stowell president cleaner radio playing caught attention talk show guest criticizing evangelical christians absolutes absolutes missed point stowell missed point affirm absolutes scripture arrogant moralists truth revealed truth word hold precious strategic importance absolutes stowell jumped strangely truth absolutes necessarily truths absolutes scripture truths absolutes answer questions explain determine parts scripture truths truths absolutes qualified make determinations consensus evangelical christianity mention rest christianity biblical interpretation find stowell statement terribly simple minded carol alvin caralv trol 
ancient books organization pacific bell ramon lines article cobb uiuc mike cobb writes manuscripts close actual event compared ancient christian history show accurate copies original texts weak argument lack regard critical events independent supporting texts dating oldest extant texts feel civil couple thousand years extant text written adjust largely illiterate population copy manuscript hand heydt analyst pacific bell system working waiting prompt whheydt pacbell 
doug sturm organization bucknell university lewisburg lines familiar doug sturm post 
technology organization kulikauskas home lines mcovingt michael covington writes computer fantasyland responsibilities disappear people real slander deception carried wrong carried paper face face michael catholic traditon list behaviours called spiritual works mercy admonish sinner instruct ignorant counsel doubtful comfort sorrowful bear wrongs patiently forgive injury pray living dead controversy argue things direct application usenet people questions express doubts comfort prayers imagine happen flame wars bore wrongs patiently forgave injuries admonishing private email publicly jayne kulikauskas jayne guild 
post organization kulikauskas home lines jono rtsg ogden writes advice hots christian befriend develop friendship time witness share gospel date saved christian relationship progress friendship accept christ good friendship wasted emotional energy hurt agree deleted parts reservations advice maintaining friends level relationship easier people hurt happen start feelings attraction people feel attracted feelings cloud judgement experience quickly believing date christians believing dating believing premarital fine people love relationship ended beliefs immediately returned original state extreme case young home fellowship work people important underestimate power feelings attraction jayne kulikauskas jayne guild 
pantheism environmentalism organization kulikauskas home lines kevxu bitnet writes deleted paragraph mention pantheism pantheism perverted dangerous clear speak cavano understood comment refer idea unrecognized pantheism dangerous christians unthinkingly adopt pantheistic ideas opposed christianity pervert faith recognize pantheism encounter opportunity embrace consistent christianity reject alert thinking questioning examine underlying assumptions book read program watch socio political movement participate ideas important philosophies doctrines give form events lives basis live lives love service command love mind means fuzzy headed drifting idea idea consumerism rapacious style living rarely called greed christian acknowledges pope frequent theme writings thoughtful christians traditions recognize consumerism place lives christians perversion dangerous faith jack pointing parallel jayne kulikauskas jayne guild 
easter testament double standard organization kulikauskas home lines seanna seanna watson writes quebec french word celebration resurrection ques etymologically related pesach passover pascal lamb french canadian roman catholic celebration parents seder noticed labelling packages english hebrew french phrase kosher passover french word ques deliberately mistranslated kulikauskas home referring foods kosher easter back original questions thread christians jewish descent posts subject writers christians jewish descent relating life decisions people academic interest topic seanna years case admit answer question affects amount weight give writer statement jayne kulikauskas jayne guild 
education organization microsoft corporation lines article mprc rochester price writes jenk kilmer writes method expected actual failure rate failure rate abstinence figures account rape woman raped considered abstaining longer textbook abstinence defined contact penis vagina vulva area immediately surrounding vulva transfer semen vagina vulva area surrounding vulva abstinence discussed marriage morally wrong sperm ovum conception impossible moral question recall teacher create child able good parent include jenk msdos testing 
weirdness early christians reply halsall fordham organization random misconfigured site lines good catholic convert attracted rational tradition aquinas emotional authenticity comp faddishness anglicanism roman catholicism time pope heirarchs sacremental system felt happy nose john emery posts back engage circuitous textual arguments prove faith oblivious fact dozen faiths miracles arguments depend belief bible sole revelation good logic argue bible proved happy accept church revelation church existed bible church choose grace canon scripture protestant ludicrosity thought shown protestants breathtaking acceptance luther reject dozen books disliked recently read peter brown body society researched written raises upsetting questions early christians weird today carzy fundies views odder views body totally ludicrous views demons distinctly uncharitable views human beings question christians weird pristine fall church happen generation wait triumph church constantine promise support church throwing usual protestant pieties church organization community early communities weird institional church model sanity comparison interested catholic orthodox responses issue issue protestants soul jesus approach ecclesia koinoia time space weird early christians problem exaggeration protestant view protestants strong appreciation role church soul important protestants means story read sort history talk point protestants problem church fall point protestant mythology typically places fall time constantine regard happening sort cumulative fashion starting constantine worse pope accumulated power medieval period consequences earlier worrisome protestants accept theological results early ecumenical councils including items trinity incarnation works reformers luther calvin find church fathers augustine quoted time find protestants resistant idea early church wierd additional problem protestants talk context looked recently question augustine fathers proto protestants views mary authority pope congenial protestant thought thing worries question methodology plenty wierd people early church concerns overrepresented christian courted martyrdom good reason ordinary christians prudent heroic virgins good reason christians happily married suspecting early church range wierdos sane people level revisionism active history moment manufacturing things cloth tendency emphasize 
hell organization programs university georgia athens lines quoth moderator qualms giving explanation raises additional problems source existence complete separation make existence impossible maintain connection rejected existence punish short poem mercy made fixed pains hell lewis expresses idea current able find source hell expression mercy limits amount separation amount agony achieve michael covington internet mcovingt artificial intelligence programs phone university georgia athens georgia amateur radio 
rise organization programs university georgia athens lines historic facts important jesus rise dead equally impressive order create observed amount impact displayed dead body jesus jewish roman authorities gained discredited christians michael covington internet mcovingt artificial intelligence programs phone university georgia athens georgia amateur radio 
legitimate bawdy humor education joke organization programs university georgia athens lines article lubosh hanuska writes advice give carrots work intercourse disclaimer single catholic business post kind joke group found inappropriate wrong tempt kind belittle substitute offensiveness humor genuinely funny assume jokes mention sexuality dirty mistake prudery spirituality direct opposite symptom lack healthy perspective creation michael covington internet mcovingt artificial intelligence programs phone university georgia athens georgia amateur radio 
easter testament double standard reply noye uchicago organization university chicago lines article jayne guild jayne kulikauskas writes seanna seanna watson writes quebec french word celebration resurrection ques etymologically related pesach passover pascal lamb french canadian roman catholic celebration parents seder noticed labelling packages english hebrew french phrase kosher passover french word ques deliberately mistranslated kulikauskas home referring foods kosher easter word ques french word easter francophone quebec paris heard phrase paschal lamb meaning jesus nitpick trivial part thread vera clock bind today vera noyes religion strong noye uchicago trinity disclaimer lard patrick breastplate disclaim 
witness proof christ resurrection reply family magazine sysops organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines imm hmm witness lord jesus christ mark began teach suffer things rejected elders chief priests scribes killed days rise mark teaching disciples telling delivered hands kill killed rise days mark mock spit scourge kill days rise mark fact dead rise read book moses passage burning bush spoke abraham isaac jacob luke scourged kill rise luke written christ suffer rise dead john jesus resurrection life believes live dies john understand scripture rise dead acts explaining giving evidence christ suffer rise dead jesus proclaiming christ witness apostle paul corinthians make brethren gospel preached received stand saved hold fast word preached believed vain delivered importance received christ died sins scriptures buried raised scriptures appeared cephas twelve appeared hundred brethren time remain fallen asleep appeared james apostles untimely born appeared apostles called apostle persecuted church grace grace prove vain labored grace preach believed christ preached raised dead resurrection dead resurrection dead christ raised christ raised preaching vain faith vain found false witnesses witnessed raised christ raise fact dead raised dead raised christ raised christ raised faith worthless sins fallen asleep christ perished hoped christ life pitied christ raised dead fruits asleep death resurrection dead adam christ made alive order christ fruits christ coming delivers kingdom father abolished rule authority power reign enemies feet enemy abolished death logical proofs jesus christ resurrection jesus enemies stolen body perpetrated resurrection opposite desired jesus disciples stolen body pontius pilate established guards stand watch tomb body stolen sadly ironically jesus disciples resurrection jesus risen dead centuries body produced refute jesus assertion rise dead probability able perpetrate hoax successfully entire world centuries astronomically negative 
quality catholic liturgy lines jemurray ohio state john murray writes opinion netters subject bothering wife liturgy catholic liturgy years events mass driving crazy grace filled aspect liturgical tradition priest makes kind dialogue present masses participatory prayers lived kicking screaming catholics invited participate liturgy counting rosary beads mass find comment interesting massively longer tradition proclaiming passion accounts active participation latin beautiful hear passion chanted deacons narrator chants middle baritone range jesus chants bass directly quoted handled high tenor basis common proclamation passion john prefer judgement call based pastoral considerations pastor makes decisions church wide conspiracy participation palm sunday liturgy initial blessing distribution palms procession long passion pastors feel make people stand long narrative orchestrated proclamation multiple readers public participation crowd quotations runs longer single reader proclamation churches multiple masses sunday briefer options parish catholics longer canonically tied geographic parishes catholic parish columbus area based ohio state address liturgy closer preferences talk fellow parishioners common preferences pastors generally listen confrontational requests bring paramedic case reacts strongly shock people asked longer sunday mass problem recent liturgical development follow continuous evolution model accumulation small single hard punctuated equilibrium model things stay accustomed marked mutation hits apologies remembering names evolutionary theories rolfe rolfe rolfe rolfet 
christians aids organization shell lines article marka harris mark ashley writes article kevin pictel kevin davis writes christians abstinence moment overcome desire compromise rationalize poor choices week guilty anger jealousy mess stuff forgiven condemned suffer aids suggest aids deserved ludicrous told relatives listen found point mark comment valid suggest aids deserved ludicrous resolve abstain weekly routinely fail surely deserve compassionately provided incarnate logos jesus rememdy situation aids deserved surely deserve instant death paul cogently remids willingly judge deserving punishment height arrogance lack humility aids problem people involved deviant sexual behaviour people received tainted blood blame show mankind affected actions point aids engage deviant sexual behavior fact engage lots deviant sexual behavior people infected aids consequence behaviors sexual sexual behaviors carry risk transmission addition imho forgiveness things matter atonement aids things love serve growing daily closer prayer meditation discipline aids remain forever celibate drug free transfusion free larry overacker lawrence overacker shell company information center houston 
christians aids organization massachusetts institute technology lines paul conditt writes important realize actions consequences rules made good suggest disease punishment types taking things text deleted terrible consequences real careful consequences punishment thread jumping conclusions write aids punishment types includes mark ashley responding wrote things curses definition curse retribution meant harm misfortune word loves told live bible curses warns kevin davis wrote week guilty anger jealousy mess stuff forgiven condemned suffer aids suggest aids deserved ludicrous bible makes clear equally deserve death worse aids hurt paul conditt reveals feelings case extremely angry upset things rationalizing fears phobias reaching people aids socially unacceptable diseases disease actions irrelevant jesus issue bring anger obvious wrong angry reason extremely angry hatred jesus reason angry putting cross prayer forgive father knowing forgiving jesus calls forgiving love give anger foolish quarrels feelings read bothers address loving felt punishes sexually immoral people aids deserve punishment frame response makes feel aids simply harmful disease unlike punishment people committed sins loves children equally rejoices single back judged opportunity accept grace earnestly seeking hearts believing gospel testimony repenting confessing jesus lord baptism living life judge eternally condemned short save move hardened heart misled person works good worst situations times places reach find issue bring people rationalize fears people aids fortunately describe misperceiving missing points made earlier posts reacting anger attitudes expressed hard discount perceptions open minded correct reach people jesus brothers sisters daily basis send city state live find touch brothers aids people aids live nearby loving attitudes issue bring importance individual contracted aids aids relevant salvation repetence involved important point made listening commands advice warnings sinning harm misfortune reason good prevent misfortune aids transmitted sinful ways listen advice wife husband hope feeling paul love aaron cardenas 
essene testament organization university manitoba winnipeg canada lines harwood david harwood writes recent criticism listserv academic biblical scholars book modern fakes listsev discussion current questioning based information presented essene challenges eating choices info biased opposed preferences party info dismiss work consideration info christie aatchoo philosophy principles university manitoba science thought reality winnipeg canada leaking philosopher thinks chrstie umanitoba brain lubricant society 
pantheism environmentalism organization purdue university engineering computer network lines article jono rtsg ogden writes masters planet care judged task business spreading lies true check information verify scientific fact scientific facts heard thing science proves disproves theory history timothy brent true happiness brent purdue accepts small part infinite universe purdue university spinoza materials science engineering paraphrased hope embroiled discussion words facts arguments philosophy science 
prayer jesus organization university pennsylvania lines article munns wisc scott munns writes eventually pray jesus excellent question real answer question pray jesus people jesus prayed listened spite sins question father give asked receive made full john necessarily christ amen prayers heard glorifies acknowledge prayer made saved saved jesus reconcile reason prayers heard unclean righteous deeds filthy garment wither leaf iniquities wind isaiah prayers rest deeds unholy directly father tainted washing prayers christ blood worthy lifted father christ jesus romans scholars paul recognizing unholy father basically prayer gift grace jesus prayers power praying glorifies praises jesus beautiful powerful gift carter page happiness crown chiefest part wisdom carpenter apprentice hold cpage upenn stricken heart pride brought learn adapted sophocles 
easter testament double standard organization florida state university lines seanna seanna watson writes christians celebrate resurrection jesus approaching thought comment article dsegard daniel segard writes objection celebration easter celebration resurrection jesus recall command scripture celebrate resurrection sole reason christians celebrate correct biblical teaching expects celebrate resurrection christ year time baptized buried baptism risen faith operation hath raised dead buried baptism death christ raised dead glory father walk newness life celebrate resurrection faith walk newness life baptism celebrate pagan goddess process scripture israel observe forever gentiles messiah israel observe required adopted commonwealth israel gentiles grafted commonwealth israel required observe basic commands abram acts requirements faith messiah infer rules christians jewish descent happened greek slave free male female christ jesus jewish christians messianics find forms worship disciplines meaningful cultural background hard time understanding justification applying rules commandments justified grace faith jesus christ paul answered question romans stated adoption glory covenants giving service promises israelites package deal identify true israelites makes plain true israelites born accept promise paul continued emphasize israelite belong christ abraham seed heirs promises israelites promises discard part husband faithful adultery longer forbidden give reference statement gentiles required observe basis commandmants list acts deals circumcision moses added transgression eternal darius lecointe born department educational research made anew florida state university patient humble disciple mail dlecoint acns 
accepting jeesus heart organization university pennsylvania lines article eric molas writes firstly atheist atheist drivel deleted untitled seed miraculous thing shelf forever stuck ground makes clever draws nutrients soil roots gathers force puts blossoms fruit recedes programmed seed food dirt roots told bees makes water fall refresh make pure product love happened chance yeah johnny hart cartoonist carter page happiness crown chiefest part wisdom carpenter apprentice hold cpage upenn stricken heart pride brought learn adapted sophocles 
reason revelation organization university pennsylvania lines article trajan stephen mcintyre writes article writes reply timothy discount parts bible discount notion revelation author timothy told thought truth based belief faith jesus resurrected readings testament revealed based hand information friends authors truth exaggerated original poster misquoted reference author paul revelations hand saul journeyed approaching damascus suddenly light heaven flashed fell ground heard voice saul saul persecuting thou lord jesus persecuting acts paul received revelation directly risen jesus pretty cool closely involved early church leaders followers jesus ministry earth holy spirit revealed things argument hard pressed convince holy spirit exists agree spirit able convince spirit exists complain circular natural world explain supernatural revelation authors bible additionally written hand info spirit carries chance true spirit part closer source greek timothy translated inspired literally means breathed words spoke actual words scriptures theologians bible scholars james boice remember hand annoyed dryness incompleteness inspired able escape notion hand info entire bible written truth studied bible extensively hear scholars objective evidence showing author collection books verse timothy continuity book written span years authors walks life testimony single authorship reason read corinthians human wisdom basically human wisdom useless compared written learning knew jesus bible realize reasoned prophets common source claim discovered information superior historicity bible josephus writings writings gnostics century earliest claim jesus human human wisdom apostle paul criticize embrace idea jesus wise jesus fully assert wise realise accept authority bible unfortunate learning christ purpose earth reading bible searching truth information raised knowledge time faithful show word share truth living happily morally acknowledging existence supreme read bible times entirety studied truth jesus moral human beings lived fact darn idolize rational reason existence rethink paragraph current belief jesus liar complete assert exists claimed lewis respect jesus conclusion careful logically unfounded hypotheses based feelings text scholars unsubstantiated claims bible pleads entirety throw book reading bible spirit inspire writers guides reader understand spirit guidance revealed spirit spirit searches things depths peace guide wisdom carter page happiness crown chiefest part wisdom carpenter apprentice hold cpage upenn stricken heart pride brought learn adapted sophocles theologians annoyed misleadingess breathed true greek word roots breath etymology necessarily word means goodbye religious expression word case word wisdom dreams breathed overtranslation 
salvation deeds organization indiana university lines guess salvation riddle saved fisher 
deification organization indiana university lines article holfeltz stortek writes aaron bryce cardenas writes prophesy apostle answer especial witness suppose personal witness means true apostle christ lets church quit claiming apostle mailmen called apostles sense jesus designated power remember thousands people witnessed jesus make apostles fisher 
revelations organization indiana university lines contradict church time church bolster evident letters instance paul talks super apostles corinthians corinthians mentions people miracles signs wonders thessalonians tells timothy clear abandon faith teach lies timothy search teachers suit hear timothy passages letters jesus warn matthew promise part verse gospel kingdom preached world testimony nations today false teachings familiar baptism praying jesus life salvation taught dead wrong context verses interpreted plain made jesus taught luke luke commands baptism matthew church jesus founded alive persecuted back laws persecuted fisher peace nunez mail lnunez stevens tech altare deum laetificat juventutem meam luke 
ancient books organization indiana university lines recommend michael read true reasonable douglas jacoby fisher michael wait dents armor faith wavered disciple life changing 
organization indiana university lines taking sharon resp verses answer verses corinthians colossians knowing tricky people consciences warn case conscience hardened deceitfulness hebrews person idea care sinning sins sinful begin searching examining scripture find sinful repent change question circumstance judge sinful possibilities jesus wholeheartedly point time sounds stifling question fisher missed john 
unity organization indiana university lines article maarten loon maarten loon writes fellow netters fellow christians subject unity christians christian churches bible study group alltough personal opinion issue thought nice hear opinions fellow christian brothers sisters countries situations background member orthodox reformed church unity found true parties involved disciples church congregations competing arguing messages practice messages disciple found travel church movement accepting retreat back january congregation louisville retreat college students people louisville years disciple previous april church kentucky keys unity unselfish love sacrifice area disciples stand christians part unity common depth conviction part christian campus fellowships focused unity churches churches thing involved lack conviction believed unified care truth delighted problem netherlands churches denominations characteristics confessions differences respect matter appropriation salvation creeds essence people churches faith feel church question creeds creeds bible stands firmly question congregation christ separated walls denominations untolerable situation scriptures scriptures splits differences opinion previous note mentioned teach falsely means differences opinion belief scripture states directives praise meetings harm good place hear church divisions extent doubt differences show approval corinthians show approval fruitfulness acts qualities devotion apostles teaching fellowship communion filling common glad sincere hearts praising enjoying favor people mentioned acts shows qualities persecuted stephen full faith holy spirit acts stoned acts churches true church jesus christ church true church church perfect congregation worldwide movement find closest found boston church christ movement constantly strives errors pointed corrected totally sold problem closely related question cooperate christians churches unity question important church true cooperation occur unity hand occur church true remind mark states disciples part main group begin lose reward boston movement heard numerous times exact thing disciples part boston movement make disciples people admit qualities disciple movement haven problem sounds strange information organizations founded people specific church members members church considered correct years years people started discuss middle process organizations opening doors people churches warn sounds cliquey clique group runs extent exclusively problems fellowship divisions correct church group reason churches attended internal clique people groups committees organizational heads congregation rarely talked committees seldom voted office office opened step back degree exclusion pastor wipe start scratch clue means disciple rigidity clique beginning broken warn division division opinions advance maarten fisher 
weirdness early christians organization panix public access unix lines early christians weird christian contemporaries familiar late republican rome pricipate weirder people forget creative filtering renaissance eighteenth century hero worship modern christians christians pretty weird acid dismissal luther protestantism apparently buying simplistic propaganda model catholicism faddish large global fads longer cycles smaller denominations local visible traveling exotic lands recom mend salutary antidote nonsense philippe aries book hour death longitudinal study death customs western specifically catholic christendom escape obscurity christian century paul pretty weird peter apparently weird circle jesus find helpful charity understand weirdos nutcases respect love expect show notions commanded love brown book fact heroic attempt groupings talks motivated love gospel social contexts brown heroic manages overstrain times suggest follow cult paths raises hard questions skeptic inside early christianity weird christian christian cults today extent raise problem phrasing implicitly deprecatory ironic principle answering questions respect love understand helps work standing long overwhelmed revulsion begin withdraw respect people advise words historical reading brown books good augustine robin lane christians pagans paul veyne history private life foucault books sexuality ancient world humanity weird sane person killed fortunately proved comedy tragedy easter early vigil service moved forward churches area vigils seminarians worship anglican michael siemon truth love truth measure love thomas merton 
confession communion lines david cruz uribe writes orthodox practice communion read throw remark someplace orthodox receive frequently catholics current practice variations historically orthodox practice varies place place parish parish jurisdiction jurisdiction parishes south africa receive communion infants children parish expected vespers confessional prayers evening fasting travel church receive communion sunday sunday steve golded 
lines jill anne daley writes definition examples person committing answer briefly falling short glory romans steve golded 
pantheism environmentalism lines susan harwood kaczmarczik writes suspect party environmental dispute thinks earth sanctified clear environmentalist energy derived called religious left secular pagan fanaticism worships gods nature gender reverence accorded real religions emphasis mine secular pagan synonyms pagan derived latin paganus means country fact cognate italian paisano means peasant paganism things includes reverence planet life planet stemming belief life interconnected secular sacred damage environment caused secular worldview humanist worldview secular humanist worldview secular humanists necessarily avid destroyers environment concerned environment time renaissance ormation western europe centre focus culture humanism consciousness secular sense concerned primarily present ather capitalism arose time power economics central philosophy economics exist simply began dominate conscious cultural values western european society offshoots cultural shift stages accompanied industrial revolutions values justified fundamental cultural shift meaning economics christian view economos steward creation secular idea slave economic forces powers denominational differences worshippers mammon deity free rein market mechanism dialectical forces history capitalist west socialist east environment sacrificed altar mammon situation mitigated west thos concerned damage environment freedom oppose happening state case steve golded 
ancient books organization national association disorganized lines cobb uiuc mike cobb writes talk atheist testament historically reliable document reasons give found effective argument atheists perfectly acknowledge existence ministry jesus capable rationalizing miracles resurrection misunderstandings hoaxes simple fabrications make analogy iliad book tells story historical trojan talks gods goddesses conversations convince atheists validity christianity argument foster faith understanding wrong atheists christianity argument alan terlep incestuous vituperousness oakland university rochester atterlep oakland melissa eggertsen rushing angels fear tread 
revelations organization florida state university lines hudson paul hudson writes biblical prophecy cyclical virgin prophecy isaiah prophecied christ apply book revelation regard perterist view prophecies double application jewish captivity time dated prophecies apply destructioin jerusalem darius 
prayer jesus organization indiana university lines article munns wisc scott munns writes dormitory bible discussion christian roommate jesus people jesus prayed listened spite sins insert huge deletion material relevance found people jesus jesus announced space vacuum people lived time jesus lived disciples taught truth faith greater things father bring glory father john jesus asked pray things time request intercession beings jesus remember mediator christ jesus gave ransom testimony proper time timothy priests talking priests hebrews death prevented continuing office jesus lives forever permanent priesthood able save completely lives intercede hebrews hebrews full areas talking jesus mediator fisher people jesus jesus obvious sense christian thought generally jesus sense saved death bound chronology real spiritual sense jesus terms knowledge surely explicit knowledge christians messianic prophecy knowledge jesus knowledge afar 
empty tomb reply family magazine sysops organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines empty tomb trust late wilbur smith jesus earth made amazing prediction frequently repeated quote behold jerusalem betrayed chief priests scribes condemn death deliver gentiles mock scourge crucify rise matthew wholly normal experience jesus worthy death deserving reproval knew years knew city knew religious leaders race condemn death knew betray knew actual death place mocked scourged knew crucifixion remarkable amazing minute particulars foreknowledge predicted follow shortly buried rise designated time central fact death resurrec tion jesus christ truth untruth chris tianity turns examine closely body jesus embalmed long sheets cloth layers great abundance spices ointments distributed body tomb great stone rolled entrance jewish authorities fully aware jesus predicted rise stone officially sealed saturday guard tomb prevent disciples carrying body early sunday morning women faithful followers christ tomb anoint body utter astonishment found stone rolled body rushed back disciples shortly jesus friends peter john utterly skeptical affair found tomb empty women guards hurrying city sanhedrin hired guard tomb body matthew tomb empty famous testament scholars america professor testament literature large theological seminary wrote author answer question tomb empty wrote letter marked bitterness sarcasm explain tomb empty explain santa claus chimney christmas time realize santa clause chimney christmas time santa claus jesus died buried tomb joseph arimathea sunday body facts history escape responsi bility coming conclusion happened mentioning myth abandoned years professor kirsopp lake harvard university explain empty tomb scholar field testament criticism ventured adopt women wrong tomb facts tomb nearby mistake contrary similar experience people forget place buried dearest loved days women miss tomb peter john wrong tomb soldiers guarding wrong tomb record attempt escape evidence empty tomb testament behold watch city showed chief priests things assembled leaders counsel gave large money soldiers disciples night stole slept governor ears persuade secure money taught monly reported jews matthew good illustration attempts escape fact tomb empty notice chief priests elders questioned tomb empty guards reported true knew true fact story makes ridiculous maintain tomb empty soldiers told jesus disciples stole body soldiers asleep asleep testimony valueless court shallowness sordidness make reject explanation character history disciples compel steal secretly carry body jesus professor heffern points leaders judaism jerusalem lord jesus death offer contradict disciples continued preach jesus resurrection jerusalem knew tomb empty trickery sooner suspected proved surely disciples confessed fraud terrific persecution underwent live seldom result ultimately message christ risen suffered fate unfounded stories lost power truth swept world closed pagan temples millions disciples brought hope despairing humanity foundation truth early church today believable freshly glorious jesus alive disappear leave disciples speculating subsequent days happened appeared literally visibly frequently appeared women tomb resurrection morning matthew mary magdalene john simon peter luke afternoon walked followers emmaus luke night appeared apostles gathered upper room jerusalem mark luke week appeared eleven apostles place john brethren mountain galilee corinthians finally apostles ascension mark luke acts fact empty tomb regard histor ically recorded appearances kinds theories proposed attempting deny literalness theories unreasonable supporting evidence unanimous approval refuse reality appearances true living leading scientists agnostics philosophers antisuperanaturalistic forget greatest thinkers ages firmly believed great miracle increase mather president harvard timothy dwight president yale nathan lord president dartmouth edward hitchcock president amherst mark hopkins president williams john witherspoon president princeton countless believed suppose christ rise dead life life seals certitude teachings christ jesus taught great truths claimed knew perfectly believed eternal life grant rise grave revealed amazing unparalleled predictions spoke truth reason good reason words true point truth resurrection convince claimed fact christ rose dead testifies broken power death raise grave promised words person jesus christ cornerstone foundation life life built forgiveness sins compan ionship circumstances hope shineth perfect ages testimony today 
testament organization applied presuppositionalism lines rexlex fnal writes jillustrate pointing administers judgment sins forgiven covered church sins forgiven power death distinction arbitrary blessed iniquities forgiven covered quoted apostle paul david describeth blessedness imputeth righteousness works blessed iniquities forgiven sins covered blessed lord impute biblical perspective foregiveness covering parallel equivalent concepts testaments dispensational distinction unwarranted millenium read sins dealt immediately present christ present earth rulership christ scripture back suggesting jesus travel dealing individual violations millions billions people activity moses lawgiver considered unwise makes interesting speculation leave comments called bema seat throne judgments unnecessary divisions dispensationalism albrecht 
christ references organization indiana university lines adam finished study prophecies fulfilled found references starting show fulfillment found missed needless post study intend publish process organizing showing fulfillments ready write send publisher luck free time finally september hope fisher 
question bothering organization national association disorganized lines wquinnan ucsd malcusco writes approach time scientists match ability create life utmost caution question implications statement physical acts limited attempting replicate acts blasphemy caused bush burn consumed thing usurping role religious people threatened science systematically removing physical proofs existence time rely faith spiritual world relate becuase science removing props thing alan terlep incestuous vituperousness oakland university rochester atterlep oakland melissa eggertsen rushing angels fear tread 
pantheism environmentalism organization national association disorganized lines freenet gary cavano writes current emphasis environment turned unintentionally pantheism debated legitimate concern planet great thing easily perverted dangerous pagans involved environmentalism natural respect earth fundamental tenet pagan denominations environmentalism wrong supporting peace middle east wrong jews muslims work nonetheless paganism rise christians address draws people paganism christianity pagan religions addressing christianity paganism major truths christianity forgotten paganism learn pagan movement paganism respects feminine christianity long history oppressing women male christians unable live sexist manner idea sexless christ women accomplished mission great deal resistance insistance male dominated theology male dominated society drives young women sexist attitudes churches paganism respects physical world idea great ramifications environmentalism respect surroundings world integration sexuality christianity long tradition calling sexual feelings sinful urging people suppress deny sexuality part human experience attempting remove simply feasible option christianity begun develop workable sexual ethic paganism attractive option advocating christian doctrines marriage changed christians work moderate ethic sexuality denial sexuality places emphasis unmoderated sexuality bring closer alan terlep incestuous vituperousness oakland university rochester atterlep oakland melissa eggertsen rushing angels fear tread 
opinions asked rejection organization national association disorganized lines talk christians complaining hell heaven heaven heaven heaven point heaven based faith heaven step hell hell eternal death seperation atheists forever fact hell hell worse earth hell eternal worse heaven comparison matters alan terlep incestuous vituperousness oakland university rochester atterlep oakland melissa eggertsen rushing angels fear tread 
arrogance christians organization university texas antonio lines share thoughts topic arrogance christians forward responses encounters christians find dismayed belief faith total truth beliefs bible bible word truth truth stance makes difficult discuss faiths hesitations christianity truth faith arising willful choice choice part faith part reason choice discussions christians remind schoolyard discussions grade school policemen jerks daddy told daddy argument stops kids groping truth authority declare beliefs false time browsing newsgroup apologize covering tired ground discussions topic piqued interest comments louis southwest research institute post office drawer lkim antonio sort mystified christian respond understand criticisms christianity evidence good evidence religions agree plenty intelligent people find evidence convincing point upset people christianity true things contradict false suggests model spiritual things christian sounds existentialist view people choose follow actual independent spiritual reality specific choice unique sense sort model modifications sort religions christianity essense historical religion based concept actual spiritual entities intervened history specific ways evidence history mundane world free choose things work drop falls defined situations doesn christian concept spiritual matters actual external reality hope honest claim perfect understanding confident things implies things contradict false proceed needn result arrogance interested talking people religions things teach respect fellow human beings respect people matters wrong disasterously wrong 
revelations organization applied presuppositionalism lines phil launchbury phil launchbury writes apostate church revelation refers century jews rejected messiah crucified john refers afraid refers church christ founded times warns church fall heresy apostles parables matthew refer kingdom heaven church process corrupted interpretation matthew parables nonsense yeast stands corruption heresy beware yeast pharisees matthew explains leaven pharisees jesus simply referring teaching corruption heresy jesus gaves apostles keys kingdom gates hell prevail church albrecht 
environmentalism paganism organization programs university georgia athens lines christians devote effort bashing paganism figuring present gospel pagans christ answer pagans questions unlike materialists deny spirituality michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio 
arrogance christians organization university california diego lines article dleonar bgsu pixie writes article pardon humble atheist difference holding revealed truth blind faith basis evidence find contrary absolute truth fully expecting people arrogance sound pixie sincerely exists follow blindly follow blindly asked physically blind person answer simple blind person acknowledge christian blind illusions reality watched hear hear lies truth listen radio read newspaper remember tastes healthy rely hear taste real trust senses hear truth faith saved force truth loves share defies created love world trust experiences extent things defy logic experience father commands results long term find proper direction feel time works christians important exercises body make body strong excercises faith make faith strong convert choose follow follow christians share love received reject accept decision offer open find suggest praying faith reading bible christians experiences personally grow understand defiance logic world lord bring peace malcusco 
pantheism environmentalism organization wheaton college lines article freenet gary cavano writes group covered current emphasis environment turned unintentionally pantheism adamantly environmentalist styrofoam table service mind read post attack environmentalism half truth dangerous complete complete rarely readily accepted half truth subtly hidden powerfully offered masquerades angel light satan people loosened grip treating earth intricate handiwork health future generations based treated respect happily leave error rejected style push people opposite error earth intricate handiwork rubbish mother earth primarily love serve facets response care environment treat proper respect intricate handiwork health future generation showing facet disregardful things constitute apostle paul called things means save forget environment important things spend time putting foot mouth manner destroy credibility expressing things important show ultimate entity creature creator show beauty glory points greater beauty glory show ultimate tapestry cords woven infinite tapestry give mountains greatest jonathan hayward climb love jonathan hayward strength climbing corinthians jhayward 
rise organization university blaspheme lines understand post directed convince subject assume directing argument people christ rose dead proof bible exclusively post immediately useless bible unadulterated truth reaffirmation belief held disagreement christians resurrection christ question purpose post tomas battle fought field reveals folly despair victory illusion philosophers fools william faulkner 
accepting jeesus heart organization case western reserve univ cleveland ohio lines article eric molas writes raised religious atmosphere attended years religious educational institutions bible recognize passages memory stuff deleted brevity christianity infectious cult reasons flourishes people hope driven purpose life safety blanked hide follow christian moral standard eternal happiness found jeezus brink starting point wrong christianity based moral standard grace saved faith works boast bible recognize recite passages memory passages attention titus james obedience moral imporant supposed result turning life christ christian means starting point virgilio dean velasco department electrical applied physics cwru graduate student roboticist training wannabee bullwinkle intimidating referee boss jewish carpenter 
prophetic warning york city lines note reply message religion christian evenson thomas randall wrote message brings open question bible closed book scripture told jesus told interesting note called prophecies inspired translation scripture call prophecy misleading read charismatic chaos john macarthur discussed queation words simplified position basically decide important experience scripture people tend scripture living feeling prophecy testing light scripture worthwhile read charismatic groetnis cheers deon timed internet deon strydom fidonet catalyst port elizabeth south africa catpe 
ethics freedom organization encore computer corporation lines parent bear describe situation plagues divorced father chance weekend daughter fallen easter weekend year presbyterian married catholic woman decided catholic moray indoctrination spouse faith confining restrictive time date married christian church denominational years marriage attend church daughter born years wife insisted baptised catholic problem separation years wife disease affected mental capacities confined mental ward months diagnosed treated effectively words professionals deemed functioning member society recuperation wife embraced buddism influence daughter substantial primarily allowed saturday visitation number years period read bible study books daughter aware christian heritage fall divorce finalized year viscious divorce hearings time awarded visitation rights weekend time started taking daughter church weekend attempt strengthen christian ethic expose religious community today easter sunday daughter church time communion daughter bread body christ left wine blood christ professing young wine balled bread hand descretely throw front feel slap face religion afront religious heritage construed breaking commandments felt dishonored action daughter years mature realize actions difficulty blaming directly religious teachings mother swears discussed daughter made clear believed buddhism christianity initial response anger moderated suggest faith christ celebrate easter christmas suggested force practice religious beliefs celebrating holidays drive fold continue practicing buddhism choice days fourteen embrace christianity suggestions response mail copy regular reader newsgroup naturally feel free post hope happy easter drew drew watson systems analysis encore computer corp dwatson customer services 
revelations organization applied presuppositionalism lines hudson paul hudson writes suggestion prophecy cyclical elaborate suggestion relate isaiah prophecy birth christ virgin cycles prophecy cyclical word scripture quoted judas bishoprick isaiah disciples applied christ hebrews children thou hast preterist view account phenomenon double fulfillment prophecies double fulfillment isaiah prophecy occasions occur regard prophecies apostles quoted applied passages jesus acting divine messengers giving inerrant word church authority today apostolic authority prophecy double fulfillment imagry revelation fits events century folly make apply events centuries albrecht 
easter testament double standard organization programs university georgia athens lines moderator replacement earlier clumsily worded submission topic submitted minutes distinguish etymology meaning word easter originated fact christians feast resurrection jesus christ meaning word people understand cultural practices festival easter possibly historical association pagan festival today christians intend honor kind pagan goddess celebrating easter nonsense word practice means realizes words practices things people basic semantics linguist things michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio easter specific english languages word based passover resurrection celebrate countries languages english 
catholic liturgy reply halsall fordham organization random misconfigured site lines problems catholic liturgy continue time problem nutshell liturgy symbolic action words catholics signs mass water blessings vestments altar relics real sprinkling water bestows real tangible holiness vestments real indication real sacred time point symbol understood connected underlying real referent kind thinking precludes analysis holy water holy simply holy modern westerners find extremely difficult educated mass symbol sign action represents grace replaced signs concrete terms means mass commercial grace real thing mess commercial dare real thing coca cola attitudes encouraged liturgy workshops focusing liturgy focused create meaning liturgy create signs symbols heart deeper analysis dramatic shift understanding treatment sacred species consecrated host wine pita bread common altar hands covered particles host sign grace isnt issue catholics past distraught real desacration real symbol jesus body modern catholic liturgy caught epistemological shift perfrom rites liturgomaniac priest explain stop start pretending soul filling experience stuck witha huge amount chord ersatz folk music result analysis complicated tunes fact easier remember simple genius wesley anglican hymn writers taize slightly suggest rejecting parish system work search church liturgy prepared explained exist city matter style music attitude church counts note conservative liturgy harking back vatican days necessarily church socially conservative recommend corpus christi corpus christi conservative liturgy joseph greenwich village modern clean largely oratorian church brooklyn beautiful avoid anytime church electric candles happy easter christos aneste christos voskrezhne christ risen paul halsall halsall fordham 
pantheism environmentalism organization university georgia athens lines article steve hayes fidonet writes realize entering discussion late question reagan appointee james watt pentacostal christian secretary interior problem deforestation living days generation redwoods terrance heath heath comfort silence fight back talk back 
hell organization utexas mail news gateway lines atterlep oakland cardinal ximenez wrote talk christians complaining hell heaven heaven heaven heaven point heaven based faith heaven hmm people americas time christ children young step hell hell eternal death seperation popular conception hell correct incorrect akin eternal perpetuation consciousness atheists forever fact hell good number atheists bodily death simply abuse language hell understand turned hell verb logic animals hell animals opportunity heaven change fact hell final death claim afterlife sort hell final death eternal perpetuation consciousness true moment aware existence assuming hell heaven words dead hmm hell worse earth hell eternal hear people loved died suffering heaven statement suffering hell statement sounds definition hell true statement person hell suffering granted wouldn conscious experience whatsoever hell death eternal loses meaning dead person threat sort eternal punishment makes sense force expects conscious eternity atheists thirst afterlife simply product propaganda friend free gift ternal life understanding early jews afterlife back combined survival instinct animals share difference consciousness idea eternal life drilled brains desire sort super survival worse heaven comparison matters depend heaven king eternity heaven consists giving praise king hell read lovely account missionary convert eskimos christianity book illusion immortality corliss lamont missionary started speak heaven seals heaven able hunting asked eskimo missionary group eskimos effect good heaven hunting scram highly recommend book account side immortality coin immortality alan terlep incestuous vituperousness oakland university rochester atterlep oakland melissa eggertsen rushing angels fear tread dana 
arrogance christians organization case western reserve univ cleveland ohio lines article caralv auto trol carol alvin writes eeap cwru virgilio dean velasco writes stowell missed point affirm absolutes scripture arrogant moralists truth revealed truth word hold precious strategic importance absolutes stowell jumped strangely truth absolutes necessarily truths absolutes scripture truths absolutes answer questions explain determine parts scripture truths truths absolutes answer questions scripture true inspired evidence claim discussed nauseum group similarly truth absolute absolute truth contradiction terms absolute true truth true contradiction terms people claim absolutes world statement terribly contradictory absolutes conclude statement absolutes absolutely true contradiction reasons christians defy world claiming absolutes universe consensus evangelical christianity mention rest christianity biblical interpretation people disagree true negate fact absolutes universe evangelical christianity professes truths sinful salvation jesus propitiation mankind sins group profess statements accurately called evangelical virgilio dean velasco department electrical applied physics cwru graduate student roboticist training wannabee bullwinkle intimidating referee boss jewish carpenter 
prodigal organization math stats dalhousie university halifax canada lines parable prodigal immoral person grace love people agree younger elder simply negative thing thinks earn father love earned entitled father tells wrong track loved reason brother father performance oriented consistently point saved grace christians back earning deserving foolish beginning spirit attain goal human effort stan armstrong religious studies dept saint mary university halifax armstrong stmarys clyde watmath water dalcs armstrng 
rise organization claremont graduate school lines article emery fluke john emery writes single historic event biggest impact world centuries resurrection jesus time hotly contested topics jesus christ rise dead eyewitnesses longer living written accounts magnitude significance involved resurrection greatest event history greatest deception played massive amounts data deleted john time rebut point point suggest current works helpful quest answer question john dominic crossan professor religion paul univ cross spoke harper latest work historical jesus life mediterranean jewish peasant harper works burton mack professor testament claremont graduate school myth innocence fortress press latest book lost gospel book christian origins harper start mack book examine afterward evidence sturdy tired arguements stated assume eyewitness accounts case mack crossan back randy 
rise organization claremont graduate school lines article luomat timothy luoma writes article suppose part christian consipracy people christ risen mind stoning burned alive crucifixion talk scourging whip broken pottery metal bone find attached stood facing wall protect scream agony back torn coming scream stop swear life stop flogged beaten burned lions killed belief resurrection disappoint idea resurrection found host forms religions antiquity problem resurrection mediorce issue tiny fragment jewish population saducees issues real problem christians pacifist preached state operates system divinitation emperor monotheism capital offense jews able exemption evangelistic christians vocal gentile dangerous targets persecution christians powerless group made good scapegoats nero blaming burning rome cloud issues resurrection randy agree christians persecuted specifically believed resurrection beliefs trouble dependent belief resurrection jesus problem alternatives great conspiracy common theory christians scholars resurrection subjective event effect delusion 
eternity hell hell organization kulikauskas home lines moderator writes inclined read descriptions lake fire indicating annihilation minority view personal view denominations hold officially find reference lewis speculate hell state human soul 
summer program organization computer science department oregon state university lines good decipleship trainning program august sept missionary programs belong missionary alliance church oregon reply mail luom orst 
block prayers organization kulikauskas home lines mike snsc mike mccormick writes honoring wives prayers hindered husbands likewise live wives understanding weaker vessel woman grant honor fellow heir grace life prayers hindered peter interpretation heard verse refers physically abusing wife husband physically stronger wife permitted dominate honor sister christ specific blocks prayer verse makes kind husband decides family consulting wife reveals husband wife degree mutuality decision making understanding bible leads belief authoritarian headship husband incorporate order functional family speaks wife husband husband wife jayne kulikauskas jayne guild 
theist views christianity accepting jeesus heart reply norris organization organisation lines eric damien presenting views christianity respond points article eric molas writes firstly atheist posting immature flame start express opinion intended audience human animal advanced mental facilities developed religion satisfiable solution explain unexplainable ancient greeks believed apollo drove chariot real advancement technology false valid objection religion explanation nature fortunately convenience believers class questions reduced natural science universe exist time space world exist exist persons purely impersonal cosmos questions real mysteries life creation world persons provide permanent indicator meaning life material world found world source animals sleep food reproduce religion christianity drug people drugs escape reality christians inject jeezus live high animal presenting unprovable statement dogma requires kind faith taking hard line atheism stumbled religion write christianity phony shallow hope research history varieties reading paul johnson history christianity remarks exposed types christian religion atheist faith movement years depth animated enduring values wishes richard aquinas chonak norris usenet addict intp exclusive nuanced opinions license info request 
arrogance christians organization case western reserve univ cleveland ohio lines article dleonar bgsu pixie writes pardon humble atheist difference holding revealed truth blind faith basis evidence find contrary absolute truth fully expecting people arrogance sound wisdom whatsoever words surprised wisdom premises wrong word claim christianity based blind faith simply current thread evidence jesus resurrection evidence jesus real triumphed death christians hold beliefs evidence find contrary evidence support claim statement hominem argument mind personal attack pointing intellectual dishonesty condemning christianity fashion make sense prove christians base belief empty nothings ignore evidence contrary expect attack make sense virgilio dean velasco department electrical applied physics cwru graduate student roboticist training wannabee bullwinkle intimidating referee boss jewish carpenter 
prophecy organization university rochester rochester york lines marka harris mark ashley writes religion christian write david wilkerson prophecies real credibility remember book wrote called vision made prediction people bought gold hurt financially time gold half prediction stuck mind people worked buying gold note type prediction require made expert field predict things based experience beware predictions volcano erupt tomorrow follow preacher statements true note describing hypothetical death friend result passion fast motorcycles mother predicted father make good money hobby depending final outcome situation mentioning relevant reader road impression mother father predicted accurately event casual statement finally prophesies note prophesies fulfilled people fool believers beware terminal unexpectedly shut secs turn room prediction similar situation arises establishment jewish state pressing prominent jews argued predicted state time read source case establishment state fulfill prophesy prophesy order push establishment state deciding truely fulfillment prophesy tricky mother wanted save marriage leonidas hepis didn marital born premarital lhep beautiful choice greg weeks rochester 
religion islam ahmadiyya moderated organization uunet communications lines reply rana colorado nntp posting host rodan dear netters religious newsgroup religion islam ahmadiyya posed discussion proposed newsgroup related groups proposal supposed enter vote week november false call votes opponent voting canceled quote statement moderator announce newgroups current call votes ahmadiyya newsgroup canceled call votes issued weeks possibly impartial vote taker discus sion proposal open vote called lawrence confusion arose netter vote decided give cool period confusions months instant attempting create newsgroup fresh issued part discussion title heading news groups cross post news groups request discussion proposed newsgroup religion islam ahmadiyya charter religious newsgroup discuss liefs teachings philosophy ideologies major reli gions world exist foster religious knowledge understanding followers religions share common basis newsgroup devoted build peaceful mutual understanding ahmadiyya branch islam peacefull beliefs ideology philosophy branches islam fostering world peace developing understanding religious people post important religious events world wide ahmadiyya islamic community general purpose group main purposes group achieve discuss common beliefs major religions relate ahmadiyya muslim community discuss doctrines origin teachings puissant spiritual force earth examine islamic teachings beliefs general light quran established islamic traditions centuries ahmadiyya perspective discuss similarities ahmadi muslims people religions world discuss religious tolerance respect faiths brought eliminate inter religion rivalries hatred people religions discuss origin teachings religions general islamic ahmadiyya muslims foster understanding ahmadi muslims religious people discuss current world problems solution problems offered religion exchange important news views ahmadiyya muslim community religions vii diversity religious newsgroups present usenet discuss religious persecution rise world find solutions remedy deter iorating situation world general islamic world discuss contributions founders reli gions people humanity society world peace general international ahmadiyya community type group moderated orderly free religious dialo moderation prevent disagreement dissent beliefs prevent derogatory squalid dialect irrelevant issues moderators decided personal mail general consensus proponants discussion news groups moderators proposed agreed moderator nabeel rana rana colorado moderator tahir ijaz ijaz umanitoba description ahmadiyya islam ahmadiyya movement islam international organi sation founder qadian india founder sect hazrat mirza ghulam ahmad proclaimed promised reformer foretold major religions world today islam christianity judiasm duism claimed long awaited comming jesus christ metaphorically muslim mahdi promised messiah claimed prophecies contained great religions world advent messenger fulfilled claims hazrat ahmad raised storms hostility extreme oposition priestlike people muslims chris tians jews hindus opposition nessed history divine reformers today sect persecuted specially muslim regimes dispite opposition persecution sect adherents countries million followers diverse ethnic cultural background sect devoted world peace bringing understanding religion founders reli gions mission unite mankind universal broth erhood develop understanding faith ahmadi muslims opposed kind violence cially religious intollerance fundamentalism philanthropic activities sect tablished network hundreds schools hospitals clin world countries institutions staffed volunteer professional fully financed sect internal resources ahmadiyya mission bring universal moral reform establish peace justice unite mankind universal religion newsgroup creation call votes called discussion officially voting held weeks group majority create votes create votes group created questions comments included discussion directly rana colorado 
arrogance christians reply carleton mark baker organization national capital freenet lines previous article dleonar bgsu pixie words question authority defy theist reply mother told accepting dares careful question authority literally nonsense authoratative authoratative question word authority ridiculous open question authority hand perfectly reasonable question authority catch phrase authenticate authority authenticated authority treating authority difficulty authenticating authority easy discredit claim authority showing logical inconsistency teaches showing obey rules discourse fact discredit inself accredit fact convince discredited necessarilly false accredit authority independantly verifying teachings independantly verify teachings authority authority information authenticate authority means examining teachings practical matters accept kinds authorities time rediscover fundamental knowledge scientist woring today assumes authority scintific community sorts knowledge work time verify spiritual matters accept authority direct source ofinformation select authorities based criteria catholic part historical claims church strongest authorities subject matter belief simply made atheist position authorities reasonable assertion leads practical difficulty reject authority hand reject possibility receiving information atheist position possibly change falsifiable unscintific demand scintific rational proof existence deny existence science reason nature prove mark baker task jungles carleton irrigate deserts lewis 
pantheism environmentalism organization programs university georgia athens lines article heath terrance heath writes realize entering discussion late question reagan appointee james watt pentacostal christian secretary interior problem deforestation living days generation redwoods heard thing confirmation alarming bible coming place michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio 
love organization kulikauskas home lines davem dave mielke writes love qualified bible wicked abomination lord loveth followeth righteousness proverbs lord knoweth righteous ungodly perish psalm extremely uncomfortable phrasing love unconditional unqualified unfathomable capable rejecting love fails love verses show love qualified opposed evil uncomfortable tract general innappropriate emphasis hell deserves love worship idea frightening people accepting christ evangelism combining living shows love putting words explaining love preaching gospel living gospel noisy gong clanging cymbal question christians afraid hell responding love jayne kulikauskas jayne guild 
quality catholic liturgy organization kulikauskas home lines jemurray ohio state john murray writes opinion netters subject bothering wife liturgy catholic liturgy years events mass driving crazy grace filled aspect liturgical tradition priest makes kind dialogue present masses participatory prayers hand advantages liturgy stay john hand people start tuning words attention things changed innovative priests liturgy committees attention make things meaningful drives crazy people differing preferences liturgy local parish innovative prefer mass parish option attending mass style suits john smiley offer solution related issue sounds john deal spouses liturgical tastes husband innovative litury challenge meet spiritual separate ways include factor satisfy children things pretty complicated thing remember uncongenial mass mass jayne kulikauskas jayne guild 
accepting jeesus heart organization kulikauskas home lines eric molas writes firstly atheist posting immature flame start express opinion intended audience deleted animals sleep food reproduce glad atheist tragic people choose meaningless existence terrible living fears death life feel eric attempts share life considered evidence infectious nature christianity christian free human person love choose create live forever christ kind drug drugs replacement christ empty spot shaped hole hearts ease pain effective substance abuse recovery programs involve meeting peoples spiritual eric post helped blessed hope someday filled abundant life jayne kulikauskas jayne guild 
lent suffers save organization trunking fixed lines story related apparitions approved church worthy belief happened salle france moral lesson story lamb sacrificed blood cleanse sins moment perceives worthy heaven mary weeps lamb rest offsprings continue disobey mary messenger task make aware evil serpent communism wars famine unfaithful disobedience running rest offsprings children astray disobedience dragon brought back peace loving messages reparations sins obey commandments worthy presence lamb conceived worthy bearing womb mary preparing church body christ coming making protected dragon preparing eden reversing deed ancient eden sanctuary righteous judged christ coming relate story mary apparitions century appeared children goats cows forgot exact place weeping telling children afraid lose mourning townfolks fault drought harvest good food year year mary tells children townfolks place worked week sundays church honoring townfolks swears words heavy pain asked pray children asked pray morning night children back work news spred investigation incident townfolks converted faith obedience restored community lamb succeeds marida spreading words actions mother teresa 
atheist views christianity accepting jeesus heart organization university nebraska omaha lines norris writes valid objection religion explanation nature fortunately convenience believers class questions reduced natural science universe exist assume exists existence question reversed assume universe exists assume exist universe time space world exist exist persons purely impersonal cosmos questions real mysteries life creation world persons provide permanent indicator meaning life material world found world source create life create happening lifetime assert probable possibility scientists working hard decoding genetic code cure disease genetic variation divine prupose existence animal presenting unprovable statement dogma requires kind faith taking hard line atheism stumbled religion falls mammal catagory soul find evidence mammal babies born live mother milk warm blooded mammals similar genetic construction primates check talk origins write christianity phony shallow hope research history varieties reading paul johnson history christianity remarks exposed types christian religion atheist faith movement years depth animated enduring values buddhism confucianism taoism hinduism judaism zoerasterism shintoism islam logic nicely depth enduring values true stephen atheist libertarian individuality responsibility jazz 
weirdness early christians organization kulikauskas home lines halsall fordham paul halsall writes recently read peter brown body society researched written raises upsetting questions early christians weird today carzy fundies views odder views body totally ludicrous views demons distinctly uncharitable views human beings heard print reprinting read barbara hambly search hills historical fiction rome time early church captures weirdness early christians glimpses holiness views make sense context society lived found remarkably positive view christianity author christian chapter begins original source quote makes good starting point research jayne kulikauskas jayne guild 
arrogance christians organization west advanced technologies lines article dleonar bgsu pixie wrote article eeap cwru virgilio dean velasco wrote affirm absolutes scripture arrogant moralists truth revealed truth word hold precious strategic importance absolutes pardon humble atheist difference holding revealed truth blind faith basis evidence find contrary absolute truth fully expecting people arrogance bother check good dictioanry thesaurus find arrogance offensive exhibition presumed real superiority paraphrase webster arrognace pride haughtiness person absolute truth blindly means obnoxious person humble authority questioning defying theist reply athiest arrogant arrogance relate present overwhelming experience christians arrogant apologozing behalf offended experience forums usenet good people arrogant christians athiests occur equal numbers phil talking phone company phone company opinions kind stuff 
greek wordprocessor database organization national university singapore lines greek database word processor things count occurrences word letter posting friend studies greek nico email seldom usenet nowadays nicodemus chan raffles hall kent ridge cres department information systems singapore computer science hometown address national university singapore nanyang estate jinjang north kent ridge crescent kuala lumpur malaysia singapore mail channico call answer show thee great unsearchable things jeremiah 
rise organization clemson university lines mcovingt michael covington writes displayed dead body jesus jewish roman authorities gained discredited christians told gospels pharisees scribes bribed roman soldiers diciples stole body night good excuse jewish roman objectives clator lbutler clemson 
johnny hart comic strip mailing address organization gustavus adolphus college lines subject pretty johnny hart creator comic stip mailing address strips good friday easter sunday remarkable witness touch contacted paper carries strip back dave arndt peter evangelical lutheran church peter darndt 
arrogance christians organization university south africa lines article mhsu utsa melinda writes belief faith total truth beliefs bible bible word truth truth stance makes difficult discuss faiths hesitations christianity truth faith arising willful choice choice part faith part reason choice discussions christians remind schoolyard discussions grade school policemen jerks daddy told daddy argument stops aren kids groping truth authority declare beliefs false find argument strange unfamiliar analogy back illustrate people living volcanic island group geologists determine volcano imminent warn people island danger leave group people island task warning danger danger real group necessarily arrogant warning danger beliefs correct false react opposition arrogance behave arrogant manner personal idiocyncracy necessarily arrogant steve hayes department missiology editorial department univ south africa pretoria south africa internet hayesstw unisa steve hayes fidonet stephen hayes fidonet 
conversions organization carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines environmentalism paganism user michael covington writes christians devote effort bashing paganism figuring present gospel pagans christ answer pagans questions unlike materialists deny spirituality answers questions turning christianity case religion whay presume lecture david hunt 
love lines simply dave mielke dave sharing tract love great source comfort carol bocher 
quality catholic liturgy organization indiana university lines article jemurray ohio state john murray writes sunday palm sunday local church palm sunday congregation participates reading passion taking role theology profound crucify back today chills week invited gospel passion listen orwellian invitation palm sunday parish invited role jesus passion declined participate year liturgy meeting pointed crucify christ sins retain role crowd avail musicians readers things introduced liturgy happening things explained pretty mass sitting listening spacing case mass mind blame liturgy committees made experts liturgy committee bias fact bureaucratic life simpler liturgy fact make easier people aware lord presence member liturgy committee problem people dominating kinds innovations priests make decisions cases guess easier refuse parish holy thursday priests washing feet people feet priests congregation invited wash hands symbolism action distressed refused participate thought rubrics liturgical action body christ amen receiving communion responsible blood part eucharistic prayer blessed creation substituted text read couple priest part mass disturbed declined receive communion night required offered prayers priests parish wondering oddballs quality mass facetiously mass thursday friday reminded power simple liturgy make aware presence obligatory sunday masses offer noticed declining congregational participation catholic masses quality mass changed celebrated rubrics church liturgically beautiful problem people creative answer question participation father peter stravinskas answer question posed title thomas catholics sing nonsense catholics reading problem reflect liturgy catholic church disobedient church changing authority steve creps indiana university creps indiana 
certainty arrogance organization rowan college jersey lines dean velasco quoted letter james stowell president moody bible institute cleaner radio playing caught attention talk show guest criticizing evangelical christians absolutes absolutes affirm absolutes scripture arrogant moralists truth revealed truth word hold precious strategic importance absolutes discussion criticism arrogance aimed arrogance attacked absolutes short evangelicals claim infallible matter religious texts problem epistemology shorthand epistemology question turns troubling problem absolute certainty bottom thinking inside head head infallible reasoning discover source truth question means absolute justification source authority means absolute certainty specific biblical inerrancy fictional inerrantist named zeke arguments applies idea papal infallibility zeke presume spent time studying bible history topics concluded based studies possibly religious experiences bible source absolute truth correct correct conclusion depends studied history made mistakes references contained mistakes conclusion depends studied bible made mistakes conclusion depends reasoning made mistakes noticing common thread study world happened head limited thinking matter cover mistakes infallibility long part belief based reasoning belief considered absolutely zeke believes found source absolute truth belief good quality search made reasoning flawless conclusions doubt belief hold absolute sources truth depends part thinking loop infallible thinker absolute certainty beliefs easy demonstrate back shorthand method epistemology imagine hypothetical discussion bible source absolute truth studied history bible religious writings church teachings conclusion studied history correctly double checked double checked correctly compared answers smart people agreed smart believes true studied correctly eventually point prove mistakes long made mistake absolutely loop arrogance christians arises people personal research give absolute certainty doctrines christianity implicitly claiming infallible possibility mistake claiming made mistake thinking flawless conclusion pretty arrogant people argument explained great detail find infallibility church george salmon attacking idea pope knowably infallible general argument applies equally idea bible knowably inerrant darren provine kilroy rowan core founded belief lies belief unfounded ludwig wittgenstein 
arrogance christians lines eeap cwru virgilio dean velasco writes article caralv auto trol carol alvin writes truths absolutes scripture truths absolutes answer questions explain determine parts scripture truths truths absolutes answer questions definitions absolute absolute constant time culture situations true instance agree definition similarly truth absolute absolute truth contradiction terms absolute true truth true contradiction terms simple testament bible work provide reference women instructed silent cover heads church scripture definition truth absolute women church speak cover heads scripture absolute truth women speaking coming church bare heads intolerable evangelicals women speak evangelical churches bare heads case evangelical churches grew evangelicals taking part scripture absolute truth plenty examples reconcile people claim absolutes world statement terribly contradictory absolutes conclude statement absolutes absolutely true contradiction claim absolutes determining absolutes difficult reasons christians defy world claiming absolutes universe consensus evangelical christianity mention rest christianity biblical interpretation people disagree true negate fact absolutes universe claiming scripture absolute determine absolutes derived scripture agree interpret scripture difficult claim based interpretation absolute deny background education prejudices play read bible determine interpret passage deny fact interpret carol alvin caralv trol 
prayer jesus organization bell laboratories murray hill lines read biblical idioms speaking standard aramaic hebrew legal idiom today call power attorney person jesus culture authorized conduct business john full authority john financial affairs held solemn fiduciary obligation work john benefit consonant john wishes required steward preface business transaction john sufficient valid power attorney operating good faith note overlap legal religious definitions faith cultural background praying jesus mandate verbal formula requires petitioner operating faithfully consciously analogous fiduciary relationship jesus purposes kingdom message praying jesus closely aligned parable talents passages delegation kingdom business stewards resources responsibilities idea praying jesus present prominent lord prayer verbal forumula absent praying words jesus beneficial clarify relationship requests advancement kingdom reason ready praying formula meaning prayers purposes desperation anger thanksgiving category uttered christian christian christ words contradict idea deals prayers omniscience grace kelly opinions 
nature environmentalism paganism organization university georgia athens lines article mcovingt michael covington writes christians devote effort bashing paganism figuring present gospel pagans christ answer pagans questions unlike materialists deny spirituality things find intersting pagan beliefs belief feminine deity masculine deity brought christian household wondered father mother father mother unbalanced fortunately personal theology fall line recognized gender posessing qualities genders masculine feminine force sense balance find sorely lacking theologies lack responsible unbalanced ways world treat terrance heath heath comfort silence fight back talk back 
accepting jeesus heart organization kansas state university lines disclaimer post statements questions easily interpreted sarcastic written reply handed manner emotions boiling surface written accept attempt foster dialog rest assurred make attempt make eric molas writes firstly atheist posting immature flame start express opinion intended audience human animal advanced mental facilities developed religious satisfiable solution explain unexplainable hmm animals planet advanced mental facilities developed religion satisfactory explaination unexplained appears humans explain unexplained animals planet including advanced mental facilities perfectly content ignorance point presuppositions scream unsupported statement humans animal religion exists crutch unexplained researched religion made humans address perceived biological aspect humans deified aspects human life categorized hierarchical structure biology apex needless disagree strong opinion underlying presuppositions christianity infectious cult reasons flourishes people hope driven purpose life safety blanked hide follow christian moral standard eternal happiness found jeezus brink disagree christianity infectious cult shown persistent belief system spite persecutions past millenia continues persevere demonstrate infectious derrogatory sense workable system adherents argue case disagree christianity safety blanket supplants hope purpose points individual source hope purpose hidden christian source hope purpose usefulness distinction internally motivated hope purpose externally hope purpose apparent loss control life problem finally eternal happiness christian moral standards sole reason existance christianity standards inadequate save people imperfections moral standards guides christian real power moral living christian person spirit heaven final states christian doctrine postulates christians generally motivated live christian moral standards promised future reward motivated perceived benefits digress reason christianity flourishes infectious nature friend mine breifly entered christian group months ministry guidelines basicaly priority spread word christian organizations concerned evangelism priority rightly jesus gave priority followers penultimate priority evangelism understood preach word convert cost repeat convert infinitum evangelism generally respecting opinions demonstrating real benefits christian lifestyle demonstration powerful compels christian seek christian needless demonstration easily accom plished takes radical committment person jesus happen quickly perseverance part christian required occur personal bonds friendship exist ineffective strangers evaluate demonstration time easy alienate harm sole purpose friend gain conversion long time christian years view skep ticism evangelism programs incorporate hurry attitude pressured conversions ultimately worse conversion pressured convert realizes coerced disavows christianity open future advantage bible states spirit brings conviction wrong people content part witness spirit rest animals sleep food reproduce animals sleep reproduce animals true capable personal vision humanity limited hope pray someday find expansive view reflection animals wide variety performing arts humans humans learn language humans animals animals humans organize social structures animals structure religion christianity drug blatant assertion christianity physically addictive christianity psychologically addictive christianity thing snorts ingests shoots relationship living validly characterize close knit relationship appelation people drugs escape reality christians inject jeezus live high jesus freaks emotional aspects worship christian living gain retain upper hand invalidate foundation things flow pities millions lives lost religious wars christianity small part guilty association christianity forces christianity christians believer person blind truth realize live mask fakeness jesus prophet happened large influence time romans circa dispersing jewish population communities needed sort cohesive element strong time dire amazing certainty happened years accept conclusion jesus influence sole result roman sack jerusalem years time strains bounds credulity assert jesus life noteworthy sack thoughts christianity christianity relationship jesus christ read world wrong phil buckland deceives tagore stray birds 
rise reply eggertj organization lincoln group lines article reedr claremont writes real problem christians pacifist preached state operates system divinitation emperor monotheism capital offense jews able exemption evangelistic disagree claim jews evangelistic narrow sense word jewish proselytism widespread numerous accounts jewish proselytism testament roman greek documents eggertj eggert 
questions newbie organization eskimo north lines concept teacher interesting grade curve cheat interesting mention thought provoking concept father children loves love understand bible heart final measure perspective grading context heart final test specifically christians agree heaven hell perspective heaven hell grading pass fail basis father intervention jesus sees heart bible heart unchanging method makes relationship christ secure uncertain changing landscape yesterday today tomorrow childhoods considerd part test conviction case heaven bible speaks plainly love care jesus children reality children bigger bodies grey hair father father fathers decipline love christianity test makes doesn pass heaven place experts travelers light home praying bring 
eternity hell hell organization florida state university lines guild kulikauskas writes moderator writes inclined read descriptions lake fire indicating annihilation minority view personal view denominations hold officially find reference lewis speculate hell state human soul notion takes sort pleasure punishing people purpose hell destroy devil angels earlier poster support eternal hell theory fact fallen angels destroyed remember bible teaches reserved judgement judgement suggest eternal hell theory provide biblical evidence find stay human theories account references bible darius 
ancient books organization university kansas academic computing services lines article atterlep oakland cardinal ximenez writes convince atheists validity christianity argument foster faith understanding wrong atheists christianity argument excellent question anxious cases doubt medieval period cent aquinas flourished argument tool knew rules today count people knowing basics logic rhetoric good argument indistinguishable poor perennial gripes miner ukans explain opinions chesterton 
sspx schism organization monash university melb australia lines hope blessed easter document refutes notion sspx society saint pius schism legitimate excommunication interested reading truth matter email send document email pages long wont posting news group titled schismatic excommunicated article originally english translation society saint pius ireland french journal courrier rome french article turn translation italian roman newsletter booklet transcription minor editing irish article transcribed produced john clay townsville queensland australia copyright attached simon shields contents schismatic excommunicated catholics rack choice sensus fidei ambiguity church bicephalous headed person function pope unity faith unity communion criteria choice ecumenism attack unity church extraordinary situation church extraordinary duties people duties powers bishops fact greater duties fact greater power power duty papacy election bishops state necessity church real state necessity souls seminarians ordinary means exhausted intrinsically evil resul limits effective requirements authority pope question excommunication conclusion bibliography bless irish fairwell road rise meet wind back shine warm face rains fall soft fields meet hold palm hand simon shields programmer viva cristo monash university college gippsland switchback churchill australia internet simon monash 
easter testament double stan organization public access unix denver math dept lines seanna seanna watson asks objection celebration easter objection naturally phrase easter eashtar ishtar ishtarti spellings pagan whore goddess fertility question objection celebration pagan whore goddess phrased suspect hope immeadiately apparent objection celebrating celebration resurrection jesus thinking ressurection sunday crazy word sunday phrasing envoking whore goddess matter stay biblical call omar rasheet feast fruits torah commands observed sabbath passover week sunday modern parlance objection observing resurrection week occured jump calendar easter sunday passover bible seek unbiblical methods recall command scripture celebrate resurrection sole reason christians celebrate question easter whore goddess celebrating resurrection whore discussion problem suggest concerned etymology words drop terminally people ottawa dictionaries altered negative definitions word black offend people colour heard newspapers speaking repave streets afro canadiantop blacktop sounds short person hope remove definition curt surly physical description fine left handed people sinister gauche objections quarter quebec french word celebration resurrection ques etymologically related pesach passover pascal lamb french canadian roman catholic celebration sounds thinks phrasing sounds worse infer rules christians jewish descent happened greek slave free male female christ jesus read letter philemon philemon slave returned rules slave philemon male female rules apply male female adam steve married congregation differences form function salvation messiah remains matter position life general favor continuing discussion repetitive point objection holiday suggest people carefully argument words change meaning time days week originally based pagan gods christians prefer refer majority christians persuaded question makes difference dictionary shows derivation word people suggest postings dangerous suppose people general easter celebration christ resurrection postings convince celebration honor godess risk creating situation claim oppose create linkage people minds celebration pagan goddess clear healthy thing 
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easter derived ishtar organization programs university georgia athens lines recent posts identified english word easter babylonian goddess ishtar easter pagan word ishtar easter ishtar related history show english easter eostre cognate english east german reconstructed proto germanic form austron easter high front vowel ishtar words separate origins pagans worship ishtar easter making mistake etymology deliberate play words michael covington linguistics michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio 
easter testament double stan organization netcom line communication services guest lines daniel segard dsegard wrote stuff deleted matter stay biblical call omar rasheet feast fruits torah commands observed sabbath passover week sunday modern parlance objection observing resurrection week occured jump calendar easter sunday passover bible seek unbiblical methods fact reason easter jumps calendar passover lunar holiday solar falls wide span times times easter fall passover easter linked vernal equinox beginning spring deletions question easter whore goddess celebrating resurrection whore discussion obsession term whore clouds argument whore judgement descriptive term deletions argument illustration etymological fallacy louw semantics greek idea true meaning word lies origins linguistic form fact experience demonstrates meaning word bound modern people make connection whatsoever easter ishtar daniel seagard meaning highly idiosyncratic meaning refutation revdak 
rebuilding temple organization ingr lines chuck petch writes appears stands rebuilding resuming sacrifices scriptures happen days israeli government give permission start hand holding project ready happen brothers sisters time hand redemption drawing scriptural levitical priesthood resumed jews legitimately prove levite bloodline todd stevens tcsteven ingr 
easter testament double stan organization lauderdale lines article dsegard daniel segard writes seanna seanna watson asks objection celebration easter objection naturally phrase easter eashtar ishtar ishtarti spellings pagan whore goddess fertility celebration resurrection jesus thinking ressurection sunday argument issues roman catholic people celebrate easter christmas relates jesus care diety people definition easter business interfere easter resurrection sunday people celebrate easter cadburry bunny business infer rules christians jewish descent happened greek slave free male female christ jesus curious jesus important jews thought thought prophet true celebrate easter 
mystery paradox reply gifford navy barbara gifford organization carderock division nswc bethesda lines book specifically addresses mystery paradox read touch subject chapter detailed read aware books deal subject mail barbara 
people married eyes organization univ texas houston allied health lines opinions engaged couple married eyes publically announced plans marry made vows unswervingly committed realize subjective qualifier married joined sight suppose unable altar current time purely logistical reasons control post mail general responses clarification mail bless robert anderson randerso sahs 
proof resurection organization social science computing lines minor problems article posted proof christ resurrection scriptural quotations sort reasoning beleive justified beleif vain beleive quotations people beleive people justify positions logical proof quoted text family magazine sysops subject witness proof christ resurrection date deleted centuries body produced refute jesus assertion rise dead probability able perpetrate hoax successfully entire world centuries astronomically negative quoted text period time elapsed event growing larger increase odds hoax discovered fact longer hoax perpetuated stronger finally proof resurrection christ spirits communion father matter faith belief logical proof incedently largest stumbling blocks rational western included hope spirit intended rejection resurrection occurance beleive wanted point weakness logical proofs 
lent suffers save organization trunking fixed lines correction story related apparitions approved church worthy belief happened salle france salette france admit geography forte lamb succeeds marida spreading words actions mother teresa 
arrogance christians organization case western reserve univ cleveland ohio lines article caralv auto trol carol alvin writes eeap cwru virgilio dean velasco writes article caralv auto trol carol alvin writes truths absolutes scripture truths absolutes answer questions explain determine parts scripture truths truths absolutes answer questions definitions absolute absolute constant time culture situations true instance agree definition similarly truth absolute absolute truth contradiction terms absolute true truth true contradiction terms agree definition term deceptive admit simple testament bible work provide reference women instructed silent cover heads church scripture definition truth absolute hold scripture true discerning jesus paul company easy paul women behave circumstances time women speaking avoid volubility cover heads maintaining proper witness remember number relativistic statements derived absolutes instance absolutely christians strive peace rule maintain world peace resorting violence occasion opinion evangelicals taking part scripture absolute truth plenty examples reconcile bible preaches absolute truths truths matter confusion bible preach absolute truths fundamental principles crystal clear evangelicals clear baptism full immersion largely explicitly spelled writers speaking culture christianity scholarship study biblical contexts difficult claim based interpretation absolute revealed truths world word utterly unavoidable people whill alternate interpretations practically misinterpreted matters wrong care deny virgilio dean velasco department electrical applied physics cwru graduate student roboticist training wannabee bullwinkle intimidating referee boss jewish carpenter 
eternity hell hell organization cabletron systems lines andrew byler writes impossible destroy soul hmm food thought fear destroy soul body gehenna math jack 
jews quote organization netcom line communication services guest lines years grabbed newsgroup source accurate quote bartletts leaves homosexual lines groups nazis exterminate germany communists speak communist jews speak trade unionists speak trade unionist homosexuals speak homosexual catholics speak protestant time left speak pastor martin neimoller 
accepting jeesus heart reply johnsd organization microsystems lines article rutgers jayne guild jayne kulikauskas writes eric molas writes firstly atheist posting immature flame start express opinion intended audience deleted animals sleep food reproduce meant defend eric molas find annoying pops atheism atheistic beliefs christians annoyed point things glad atheist tragic people choose meaningless existence meaning meaning atheistic point view meaning life make free gifts meaning understood give life meaning exists purpose care accept thing digress terrible living fears death life truely miserably existance doubt eric endures life enjoyable live purposefull live endeavour make terrible feel eric attempts share life considered evidence infectious nature christianity true remeber sees illusion christian free human person love choose create atheist free human person love choose create live forever begin diverge live forever opinion matter christ kind drug tend agree opinion unlike drugs religions normal parts human societies outlived usefullness evidently ordinary normal things proved lethal humanity drugs replacement christ empty spot shaped hole hearts ease pain heard claim times shaped hole business effective substance abuse recovery programs involve meeting peoples spiritual provide evidence time make claim eric post helped blessed hope someday filled abundant life eric wise assume filled abundant life holds beliefs johnson jeeze dull dull genesis opinions show 
clarification easter organization programs university georgia athens lines response email clarify position favor paganism favor easter bunny christian aspects easter presently celebrated incidentally easter eggs christian ending lenten fast point distinguish intentionally worshipping pagan deity pagan associations nowadays understood intended people accused illogical claim worshipping pagan deity knowing worship matter intention worship knowing michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio 
prophetic warning york city reply halat bears halat lines started reading group wondering post prophetic warning suggest sending email hold files case 
marriages organization penn state university lines talk recently latin rites early church bless unions idea copies rites exist part notify mail understand similar ceremonies written slavonic exist find matter latin rite original translation prefer english version slavon rite exists advance doug hayes questions past source claims john boswell talks working publication published heard source source wait boswell publication order talking 
eternity hell hell organization dept math lines darius darius lecointe writes darius guild kulikauskas writes darius suggest eternal darius hell theory provide biblical evidence darius find stay human theories darius account references bible topics good start matthew eternal punishment righteous eternal life post subject time case clear fate damned unpleasant avoided david wagner sola scriptura confessional lutheran suggest discussions based single quotations proceed passages consistent theory proceed view encompasses 
question bothering organization university california diego lines article atterlep oakland cardinal ximenez writes religious people threatened science systematically removing physical proofs existence time rely faith spiritual world relate becuase science removing props thing resent assumption threatened science threatened admit reason threatened science proof lord existence reveals ways including degree science problem science assume endowed ability produce life sexual relations make availible science ride decision alterations wills power decide able children allowed babies made people ability lives unnaturally ability bring lives world unnaturally closest thing artificially created life artificially created death reserved judgement people rely wisdom people brought world reject forms medical treatment treatment alleviates pain prevents pain occuring perfectly acceptable acceptable jesus cure sick treatment prolongs life reason makes unnecessary alterations body mere aesthetic purposes happy beauty gave draw solid line approve scientific study experiments universe find secrets knowledge alters body themseles body satisfactory make general rules cover cases person pray guidance unravel mysteries universe cease unravelling reason search displeasing malcusco 
ancient books organization supercomputer computations research institute lines article miner ukans writes atheists converted argument excellent question anxious cases doubt medieval period cent aquinas flourished argument tool knew rules today count people knowing basics logic rhetoric good argument indistinguishable poor sentence ironic readers religion christian embarrassed apologists josh mcdowell lewis expresses sense history makes masses aquinas illiterate knew rhetoric logic people today writings period elevated cream crop speak read write medieval period knew rules matter uncritically accepting told bill mayne unfair lewis prominent fallacy attributed liar lunatic lord quoted christians logical fallacy original context 
pantheism environmentalism organization courant institute mathematical sciences lines article mcovingt michael covington writes article heath terrance heath writes realize entering discussion late question reagan appointee james watt pentacostal christian secretary interior problem deforestation living days generation redwoods heard thing confirmation alarming bible coming place find happen rape sight 
arrogance christians organization shell lines article caralv auto trol carol alvin writes eeap cwru virgilio dean velasco writes article caralv auto trol carol alvin writes truths absolutes scripture truths absolutes answer questions definitions absolute absolute constant time culture situations true instance agree definition similarly truth absolute absolute truth contradiction terms absolute true truth true contradiction terms agree carol determining absolutes practically speaking waste time easily forget relative truth fact relative recently children question temperature water boil answer degrees consistently asked knew scale told degrees scale thermometers sincere true experience speaker simply wrong absolute truth similarly scripture full truth nurture cherish determine parts absolute truth parts manifestations context time culture text penned missing point religion easily intellectual head trip devoid living experience indwelling trinity dead scholasticism head covering church deleted good absolute truth writing simplest understanding passage instructions apply corinthians necessarily instructions reflect absolute truth context century culture climate corinth trouble order absolute truth compelling reasonable reason evangelicals taking part scripture absolute truth plenty examples reconcile hard literalists bible literally meet takes verse blessed takes babies smashes heads rocks literally bible printed handed color codings parts interpreted people claim absolutes world statement terribly contradictory absolutes conclude statement absolutes absolutely true contradiction claim absolutes determining absolutes difficult agree knew personally able express conveys absolute truth presence absence absolutes make difference fully apprehend absolute walks greets consensus evangelical christianity mention rest christianity biblical interpretation people disagree true negate fact absolutes universe prove existence absolutes rely experience trust revelation fully comprehend infinite comprehend absolutes essence energies manifested creation reality absolutes practical importance claiming original scriptural autographs perfect copies swell cares affect practical made electric blue chickens live mars effect deal neighbor cafeteria lunch attitude leads christians christians arrogant idiots incapable critical reasoning christianity true wonderful appeals reason reason reflection logos explanations violate simply insecure authoritarian responses complex world note claiming place authority silly world difference authoritative authoritarian authoritative expression authority respects authoritarian expression authority fails generally agressive good parents authoritative christians simply authoritarian surprisingly adults respond treatment larry overacker lawrence overacker shell company information center houston 
atheist views christianity accepting jeesus heart organization atlas telecom lines article trajan unomaha stephen mcintyre writes norris writes discussion begins universe exist assume exists existence question reversed assume universe exists assume exist universe laws nature effect dictate layman mind causal event reasonable alternative exists laws nature demand true nature super natural create life create happening lifetime assert probable possibility scientists working hard decoding genetic code cure disease genetic variation divine prupose existence genetic code deciphered lifetimes convert inert material sustaining reproducing life prophet picture york mind technology able produce spark life parts opinion animal presenting unprovable statement dogma requires kind faith taking hard line atheism stumbled religion falls mammal catagory preposition sort precludes absolute absolute conclusion left word faith works nicely soul find evidence mammal babies born live mother milk warm blooded mammals similar genetic construction primates check talk origins write christianity phony shallow hope research history varieties reading paul johnson history christianity remarks exposed types christian religion atheist faith movement years depth animated enduring values buddhism confucianism taoism hinduism judaism zoerasterism shintoism islam logic nicely depth enduring values true equal scale equal standard investigate discover denial ultimately statement faith falsifiable existence purpose religion discover discovery mind send prayer behalf research christ deluding worry king returns jason jason smith jasons young 
arrogance christians organization university texas antonio lines danger real group necessarily arrogant warning danger beliefs correct false react opposition arrogance behave arrogant manner personal idiocyncracy necessarily arrogant members group necessarily arrogant absolutely volcano erupt expect chosen knowledgable people determined volcano erupt absolutely religious discussions arrogance naivete reflected type statement louis southwest research institute post office drawer lkim antonio 
sspx schism organization shell lines article simon monash simon shields writes hope blessed easter document refutes notion sspx society saint pius schism legitimate excommunication interested reading truth matter email send document email pages long wont posting news group interesting selections posted understanding sspx schism legitimately excommunicated point roman catholic church excommunication real formal excommunication provided canon orthodox cinsider schismatic excommunicated catholic church considers dissident inappropriate group charter larry overacker lawrence overacker shell company information center houston charter group discuss people concerned interested reinvoke general catholic protestant polemics issue primarily specific catholics 
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lazarus smell organization storagetek engineering lines article rolfe rolfe writes guess lazarus sake crowd read morton smith jesus magician lazarus dead tomb part initiation rite magi cult jesus part appears stay normal read book smith similar claims made jesus smith early chrisitanity found arguments similar books holy blood holy grail building conjectures conjectures direct evidence summarize argument happy careful attention nature evidence 
questions newbie organization massachusetts institute technology lines jerry kaufman writes bible heart final measure perspective grading context heart final test true life open book test 
pantheism environmentalism organization marine biological laboratory lines article mcovingt michael covington writes article heath terrance heath writes realize entering discussion late question reagan appointee james watt pentacostal christian secretary interior problem deforestation living days generation redwoods heard thing confirmation alarming bible coming place michael covington recall watt making comment effect years back cite specifics recall cecil andrus secretary interior carter administration responded watt comments pointing stewardship role gave recorded genesis makes true conservatives conservative conserve things long term societal benefit form conservation logically extend physical environment people live moral environment relate imho watt stewardship status enhanced fact served board directors bakker organization time bakker committed criminal acts eventually landed bakker federal prison rgolder baptist 
quality catholic liturgy organization corp columbia columbia lines article creps indiana stephen creps writes article jemurray ohio state john murray writes palm sunday parish invited role jesus passion declined participate year liturgy meeting pointed crucify christ sins retain role crowd avail musicians readers things introduced liturgy happening things explained pretty mass sitting listening spacing case mass mind blame liturgy committees made people aware lord presence catholic active lutheran innovations mass made leave catholic church return traditional catholic chuch lutherans spent years lector reading passion parts catholic church found meaningful lutheran parish instituted tenebrae service good friday lector paraphrased passion exceptional heard learned things previously overlooked gospels facts matter interest pastor talking differences lutheran church holy week breakfast easter sunday member liturgy committee problem people dominating kinds innovations priests make decisions cases guess easier refuse wife member liturgy committee family called music worship church pastor control committee listens carefully committee suggestions strong hand lead guide intent message clear strong lent rest liturgical year additional reason leaving catholic faith lack selfless spiritual guidance priests parishes wishy washy gather comments feel important denominational guidelines service mass promotes true reason gathered comfortable traditional mass receiving holy communion tongue sacrament penance reconciliation stations cross reason types masses parishes exist feelings shared people attend church find lord attending show church works hard meaningful service lent wednesdays follow traditional lutheran book worship guidelines things changed omitted lent hymn praise noted aware reasons frankly hard catholic mass dear wife methodist holy week masses vigils intimidate daylights catholic catholics beared understand mind gather worship worry wrong feel addressing means talk priest pastor listen provide spiritual guidance differences catholic church fundamental decision change faiths prayer intervention sessions priests ministers christ kershner kershner wyatt kwyatt columbiasc opinions necessarily employer 
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doctrinal distinctives organization walla walla college lines article jodfishe indiana joseph dale fisher writes book provided entitled seventh adventist church believes basic coverage ideas hold info write actual title copyright date celia chan cmchan indiana introduced book member anymore book called basic fundamental beliefs close number copy home school tammy 
national prayer reply family magazine sysops organization elizabeth hospital youngstown lines imm join america prayer acknowledge dependence give blessings guide leaders bring healing reconciliation ness nation people hmm founding fathers george washington make earnest prayer pleased dispose justice love mercy demean charity humility pacific temper mind characteristics divine author blessed religion humble imitation things hope happy nation john adams felt national security nation humble acknowledged dependence overruling providence abraham lincoln duty nations dependence overruling power confess sins transgressions recognize sublime truth announced holy scriptures proven history nations blessed lord note join people area observing national prayer learn affiliated concerts prayer group area contact barry garred coordinator springdale arkansas voice 
christianity atheism update organization bgsu lines opinions matter hand advice heart directly friend found matter accidently reading mail quit mail reader business trashed mail improperly terminal messages thought responses post atheism earlier week read realizing message apologized reading mail snoop talk views mind friend changed mind change mine point coming coming pray reason click bash heads christianity tool revolution tool maintaining status blunt reason reject fact african american female christianity religion tools separate people true knowledge history wealth contributions world society kitchen heaven forward slave days mentality class status exists today rejected aspect christianity estabished church hypocricy exists walls house beginning images white jesus members praise sunday raise hell beginning monday find church home feel comfortable home happening anytime sherlette 
education organization university kentucky dept math sciences lines moral question jenk asked create child able good parent reminded speech characters remember movie parenthood liberal quotation marks tonight called speech character expressing lousy father made interesting point effect license drive license license fish mind pass quote grossly distorted point mike mattone 
nature environmentalism paganism organization programs university georgia athens lines article heath terrance heath writes fortunately personal theology fall line recognized gender posessing qualities genders masculine feminine force necessarily unorthodox christians call father metaphor bible place refers mother father mother literal sense attributes father metaphor people times misleading possibilities michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio 
daily verse organization grass valley group grass valley lines overcomes inherit revelation 
certainty arrogance organization university colorado boulder lines article kilroy rowan nancy sweetie writes dean velasco quoted letter james stowell president moody bible institute affirm absolutes scripture arrogant moralists truth revealed truth word hold precious strategic importance absolutes discussion criticism arrogance aimed arrogance christians arises people personal research give absolute certainty doctrines christianity implicitly claiming infallible possibility mistake claiming made mistake thinking flawless conclusion pretty arrogant agree darren personal observation arrogance problem sense personal certainty lack respect differing conclusions christian christian spectrum belief systems christianity tend argue matters personal faith aesthetics demonstable objective means choosing rely important areas personal sovereignty bothers suggest matters faith specific beliefs true absolute binding give revelation truth conclusion intentionally choosing wrong path arrogance lack respect honest conclusions matters personal certainty leaves room beliefs universalizing matters personal faith coupled proud notion relationship superior leads arrogance honest nonuniversal opinion darren provine kilroy rowan core founded belief lies belief unfounded ludwig wittgenstein comments criticism alvin colorado reasonable humility ability truth paths areas practice clarification reject idea specific beliefs true absolute binding true true assuming belief history form true people suggested past concerned doctrinal agreement people doubt difference true false benefit finding true 
easter testament double stan organization public access unix denver math dept lines mcovingt michael covington writes cultural practices festival easter possibly historical association pagan festival today christians intend honor kind pagan goddess celebrating easter argument compelling ishtar eggs ishtar bunnies pagan fertility symbols worship pagan goddess fertility biblical belief lost drop word easter replace occurances resurrection sunday show services called resurrection sunday services easter services 
block prayers organization john fluke everett lines article jayne guild jayne kulikauskas writes verse makes kind husband decides family consulting wife reveals husband wife degree mutuality decision making understanding bible leads belief authoritarian headship husband incorporate order functional family speaks wife husband husband wife jayne kulikauskas jayne guild agree makes husband head house surely beloved wife lord gave house beautiful woman brought life lead wonderful wife john emery praise lord heart emery fluke glorify forever great love delivered depths grave psalm 
rise organization claremont graduate school lines article eggertj eggert writes disagree claim jews evangelistic narrow sense word jewish proselytism widespread numerous accounts jewish proselytism testament roman greek documents feel free correct give texts text vaugely relates jewish evangelism found found dated makes unusefull understanding temple judaism randy 
accepting jesus heart reply whitsebd rose hulman organization computer science department rose hulman lines stuff deleted religion christianity drug people drugs escape reality christians inject jeezus live high logic falty christianity drug reluctant embrase drug alive enjoy question motives posting article waste presious fews seconds earth posting opinon group generally reject acepting christ savior hope fantastic life evver dreamed heaven christ love bryan 
arrogance christians organization national association disorganized lines mhsu utsa melinda writes share thoughts topic arrogance christians forward responses encounters christians find dismayed belief faith total truth beliefs bible bible word truth truth stance makes difficult discuss faiths hesitations christianity truth faith arising willful choice choice part faith part reason choice sort mystified christian respond start parable christian woman hires carpenter build birdhouse begin talking religion understand asks replies build birdhouse melinda complaining basis christian belief tendency christians answers gave simply case bible inerrant human interpretations bible necessarily error human imperfect remember make mistakes faith human imperfect understanding mind claim people existence bible determine answers questions claim humans fully understand hubris 
arrogance christians reply mussack lines article dleonar bgsu pixie writes words question authority defy theist reply people insist question authority chris mussack biting edged humor appreciated understood messy hair glasses winking smiling chin 
ancient books organization stanford linear accelerator center lines article whheydt pacbell wilson heydt writes dating oldest extant texts feel civil couple thousand years extant text written adjust largely illiterate population copy manuscript hand considerably feel punic wars peloponnesian spelling optional event classical history close events oldest extent manuscripts cases steve schaffner sschaff slac stanford opinions expressed mine slac stanford university 
online bible bible study organization national university singapore lines embark bible study acts online bible software background authors topics articles author people testament realible articles online bible software specifically convenience darby translation heard young literal translation heard realiability hebrew greek lexicon authors denomination articles topics modules realiability treasury scripture knowlege heard commentators scofield johnson wrote scofield reference bible people testament realiability strong numbers happy receive reply qualify receiving rubbish letter make wilfred ling wilfred ling siew national university pore internet electrical engineering bitnet bitnet 
arrogance christians organization simon fraser university burnaby canada lines dleonar bgsu pixie writes unfaithfully pixie sincerely exists follow blindly words question authority defy theist reply follow blindly long questioned authority rabid point found question authority reject authority unquestioningly question authority time forever question fruitless eventually answers questions authority bible case validity basically question authority necessarily reject authority 
arrogance christians organization university canterbury christchurch zealand lines carol alvin caralv auto trol wrote testament bible work provide reference women instructed silent cover heads church scripture definition truth absolute women church speak cover heads scripture absolute truth women speaking coming church bare heads intolerable evangelicals women speak evangelical churches bare heads case evangelical churches grew evangelicals taking part scripture absolute truth plenty examples reconcile problem christians claim things bible practice sorts christians ranging trendiest liberals fire breathing fundamentalists conservative side christian faith claim bible source absolute truth treats valuable part living tradition roman catholic close official position church comment practice refer explained terms social context time fact conservatives break tophat cane give song dance routine passages directly applicable today show claim bible practice things doens thread supposed arrogance christians suggest problem hypocrasy case making claims bible claimants practice step back calling people attempting express concisely unique place bible holds christian faith people words phrases word inerrant infallibale manufacturer handbook rule faith practice church today describe bible hear mere words descriptions demostratably false contradictory experience people generally pretty good picking intention speaker speaker words variance intentions biblical garden eden asks adam explains naked afraid adam answered words tree problem arise christians insist words accurate reflections beleif people made determined effort work understanding place bible faith rely phrases explanations hope helps bill bill computer services centre mail canterbury university canterbury cctr canterbury christchurch zealand phone 
rise organization washington university astrophysics lines article mcovingt michael covington writes historic facts important jesus rise dead equally impressive order create observed amount impact displayed dead body jesus jewish roman authorities gained discredited christians michael covington internet mcovingt artificial intelligence programs phone university georgia athens georgia amateur radio simplest refutations impact record impact testament guarantee books accurate recorded impact happened find interesting contemporary source records eclipse earthquake temple curtain torn earliest written claim jesus resurrection pauline epistles written sooner years supposed event probable displayed body jesus knew personally explanation body stolen disciples graverobbers bother point guards appears gospel sort thing early christians make order counter grave robbing charge testament record jews believed body stolen guards effectively made claim scott 
eternity hell hell organization indiana university lines article dlecoint acns darius lecointe writes insert deletion unnecessary quote notion takes sort pleasure punishing people purpose hell destroy devil angels sort pleasure punishing people mercy mercy compassion compassion enjoyed punishing people sending hell send jesus seek save lost luke earlier poster support eternal hell theory fact fallen angels destroyed remember bible teaches reserved judgement judgement suggest eternal hell theory provide biblical evidence find stay human theories account references bible asked peter talks ungodly punished matthew clear righteous eyes hell eternity thessalonians states trouble disciples punished everlasting destruction shut presence lord thessalonians talks refuse love truth condemned revelation talks difference overcomes listed verse fiery lake burning sulfur revelation indication follow beast tormented burning sulfur rest night psalm wicked return grave nations forget sufficient prove point darius fisher playing devil advocate advocating position concern people understand passages ways eternal destruction destruction term death obvious understanding final extinction problem speaks eternal punishment death terms understood concern convince view people understand wide variety images understand albrecht commented primary point people eternal fire details make things interesting luke implies damned resurrected stay dead aware understand passage literal peter talking angels talks holding hell final judgement eternal punishement matthew talks sending cursed eternal fire prepared devil angels fact fire eternal people flames forever interesting comment fire prepared devil angels talk eternal fire beast false prophet tormented forever talking people thrown referred death sounds extinction eternal torment fire effects supernatural entities devil humans thessalonians similarly everlasting destruction necessarily eternal torment understood everlasting contrast kind destruction occur life final destruction occurs eternity thessalonians talks destruction revelation comment revelation quotes explicitly people suffer forever smoke fire eternal respite people tormented forever psalm relevant issue 
prophetic warning york city reply morgan organization university technology sydney lines article evensont colorado evenson thomas randall writes article reid uiuc reid writes deon strydom fidonet deon strydom writes brings open question bible closed book scripture told jesus told imply pouring revelation people feel concept closed canon cast shadow contemporary prophets hand open canon back basics canon latin means rule rule open rule made broken issue measurement rule words spoken compared rule canon added canon revelation topical current personal revelation revelation people times scripture confuse canon scripture scripture speak open speaking today speak closed sense canon unchangeable concept canon historically interesting note called prophecies inspired translation scripture call prophecy misleading knowledge gift knowledge exciting talk call horse horse agree problem confusion prophecy meant encourage exhort correct overlap scripture prophecy meant bring word form live husband knowledge exact words scripture expect difference motive means delivery reading scripture powerful force david david morgan university technology sydney morgan broadway broadway sydney paid good money opinions free 
losing temper christian trait organization panix public access unix lines coming long line tempered people temper tale signs fruits give christians replies acrid angry sarcastic village laugh professed born christians verbally attack people christianity originally joined discussions spiritually hungry answering questions sweetness sincerity chrisitan warriors flame queries enemies greatest harm foolish foolish foolish 
certainty arrogance organization fnal lines article kilroy rowan nancy sweetie writes loop contrer captitan human reason human experience paraphrase sartre absurd infinite reference point revelation absolute thing logic fruition relativism core founded belief lies belief unfounded ludwig wittgenstein clear ludwig desciple russell ludwig fame explained fact spawned significant movements contemporary philosophy revolve tractatus logico philosphicus philosophical investigation witt comments implicit conclusions suggest ways explicit critique language offers implicit suggestions witt thought ordinary language invaluable resource offering framework conduct daily life formal features remain content capable transcended experience understanding deepened giving clearer picture witt account dynamic fluidity language reason critique language move talking limits language talking boundaries boundary understood wall threshold vonwrights comment witt sentences content lies deep beneath surface language surface witt talks insuperable position ordinary language necessity bringing accept question time faced witt creative language concern bringing traditional modes understanding philosophy perspicacious speech seeks effect unity assuming functioning brilliant scientists unable offer foundation human speech long reject christianity tractatus nigh perfect exhibition nature impasse scientific ideal exhaustive logical analysis reality perfect language exist fallen buisness relating truth ordinary language john gospel dear christians simple conveyance revealation full unlieing depth understanding viewed christ concept thinketh john looked outward indicator inside consciousness christ words vehicals truth truth scriptures plain expounding truth knowable absolutes knowable knowable reveals individual mysticism christianity paul world spirit things spirit spirit truth spirit capacity truth spirit spirit deep things reveal spirit deep things absolute true thing true truth real experienced verifiable disagree nancy sweetie conclusion fruition leads relativism leads dispair words answer understand suggested easy reading epistimology silent francis schaeffer 
phone number wycliffe translators organization technical university vienna dept realtime systems austria lines bothering request irrelevant kind soul provide phone number wycliffe center horsley green high wycomb bucks surprise friend mine staying number advance gerhard email response people requests things find calling call information netwide cost posting fairly significant 
questions christian organization university delaware lines newsgroup fairly christianity raised unitarian spent part life agnostic recently developed firm conviction christian message correct accepted jesus life happy realize ignorant bible possibly christians hold true rectify reading bible helpful read good interpretation commentary bible relevant aspects christian faith questions recommend good reading list theological works intended person question affiliated congregation matters taste criteria choosing church difference protestant denominations reading post sincerely steve hoskins commentary introduction books intended undergraduate bible courses give historical background discussion literary styles generally good bibligraphies reading typically recommend froehlich young introduction good volume commentaries background articles helpful recommendation days harper bible commentary couple books title fairly recent cooperation society biblical criticism committed inerrancy prefer conservative read conservative books commentary looked donald guthrie looked good introduction editor eerdman bible commentary 
sabbath admissions organization florida state university lines mail post response enforcing inclusion limits readers christ warns breaks commandments teaches otheres called kingdom heaven matt full error respond hope maintains remove partisan theology brothers sisters faith examining decalogue closely noticed fourth commandment pretty specific keeping sabbath states saturday sabbath christian religions atleast church sunday frequently asked question time arises months debate answer directly basically moses part specific covenanent jews jews part covenant argument early christian history mosaic laws apply gentiles christians account debate acts main question circumcision keeping sabbath part apostles concluded jews order christians rules circumcision apply revealed mount sinai notes transgression exist sinai eden sabbath revealed sinai problem covenant promise undergirded wanted perform lives people ignorance years slavery promised covenant based promises promised laws minds write hearts including sabbath acts selective inclusion sabbath important jews circumcision attempt made sabbath reaction strident recorded acts confuse weekly sabbath decalogue ceremonial sabbaths occur time week part ceremonial added transgression moral israel stands people time grafted gentiles roma adoption glory covenants giving service promises belong israelites explanation paul makes clear born israel israel israel christ abraham seed heirs promise christians abraham seed jews israelites physically criterion spiritually joint heirs jesus based promise made people israelites christians agree laws apply part specific covenanent jews expect similarity things expected jews things expects ways dealing days common approach separate commandments moral ceremonial ceremonial commandments apply jews part specific mosaic covenant thinsg kosher laws circumcision moral laws apply commands part moral commandment sabbath people approach specific requirement worship sabbath part ceremonial general obligation worship regularly part general moral christians free choose specific time worship people agree wrong sabbath commandment ceremonial part predates ceremonial laws free choose time worship follow worship origins pagan worship give blessed sanctified hallowed exchange church leaders agree biblical foundation sabbath admissions religion christian bible study radical approach generally connected john calvin reformed tradition longer binding grace behavior guided solely love portions guidance properly speaking legally binding practice people position safe leave christians moral guidannce longer sinners safe situations principles guide good justification safe christians moral guidance things jesus teachings paul advice precisely serve function largely content moral previous analysis calvin deny fixed legal responsibility worship specific human weakness discipline regular worship important care calvin theologian guide means section trouble sabbath commandment thought important remember study word deeply note message longer condemnation freed grace pulls speeding court mercy judge throw book grace walk court speeding grace grace drive speed limit paul adds make void faith forbid establish wherefore holy commandment holy good analyses specific issue matter tradition worship sunday memorial christ resurrection debate acts shows early christian worship common analysis shows jewish christians continuing jewish services sabbath specifically christian service necessarily held shows worship sunday implies gatherings groups continue christians worship sabbath saturday seventh adventists jehovah witnesses argue regular worship service special meeting paul explicitly regular worship service prefer implication fact careful study acts shows meeting saturday night sunday morning paul worship service long journey foot assos icor equate store worship service clear issue contested paul time paul advice careful judging issues person sees specific mandated observes specific honor lord believes worship free restrictions honor lord sabbath mandated argue paul referring sabbath worship note similar briefer explicitly mentions sabbath wrong sabbath days ceremonial sabbath moral differences christians word sabbath originally term referred jewish worship christians refer sunday christian worship largely apply couple numbering schemes commandment reformed tradition distinguishes sabbath observance mandated jews lord free christian worship reference find differences laws christians support blue laws secular church setting causing people spend worship radical anti legal approach sees regulations return jewish sabbath free christian worship lord prefer twist turn relying arguments conflict obey simple request loved jesus died changed bother order meet demands broken change penalties breaking means immutable follow demands ceremonial laws make false gods violate break sabbath steal kill disagree opinion weight word darius clear paul comments esteeming accept darius honor lord equally accept esteem days alike similarly honor lord clear unambiguous proof regular christian worship responses passages cited difficulty passages talking nnregular christian meetings explicitly gathered sunday worship pieces information aimed answering question describes christians participating jewish temple worship christian communion services homes temple worship sabbath acts christians participating christians houses acts darius confusion acts occuring sunday reason impose modern definitions days start biblical text clear meant wording implies normal meeting gathered paul gathered breaking bread paul talked upcoming travel explicit convincing similarly money paul collection gathered specially homes disprove obvious time congregation offering gather worship expected homes reason mention specific obvious reading week simply means time gather worship reason implications clear statements authors assumed readers knew christian worship 
daily verse organization grass valley group grass valley lines wisdom gold choose understanding silver proverbs 
rise organization georgia institute technology lines article reedr claremont writes disagree claim jews evangelistic narrow sense word jewish proselytism widespread numerous accounts jewish proselytism testament roman greek documents jewish proselytism relate account recent dinner jews months dinner instigated aunt hostess visiting wife galveston october dear aunt deceased proud jewish heritage devout parents murdered nazi concentration camps austria wwii jewish conversing politics world affairs religion remarked good idea visit niece return atlanta days returning atlanta niece called invite dinner husband knowing expect stimulating conversation fellowship unexpected thrust evening discussion condemn reagan bush policies prohibiting abortion counseling federally funded family planning clinics prohibiting sterilization minorities welfare puerto rico fetal tissue research mexico city policy denies foreign programs overseas promote abortion crux position place blame problems overpopulation rampant domestic crime african starvation unwed mothers christianity fall adam talk time bring subject judaism condemn jews jesus admonish converting judaism involves study effort raise prospect convert truth christ jewish proselytism november toured traditional jewish synagogue subjected minute harangue jesus christianity general realize isolated incidents supervisor work jewish experience modern proselytism boundary teneis pensar haya venido traer tierra venido traer sino guerra mateo vulgata latina 
hearing sinners lines question hear prayers sinners distinguish hears prayers sinned make pointless prayers born centuries prayers impenitent sinner lord expect change life matter venture grants petitions sends rain evil good praying spirit responsibility remember real commands james kiefer 
john paraphrased lines recent post alastair thomson offers paraphrase john loved world gave place eternal life place bothers inserts verse doctrine found original suspect poster intends affirm substitution forensic penal substitution maintain scriptures speaking atonement teach doctrine substitution forensic substitution interested pursuing matter invited send essays genesis question lead essay obtained sending listserv bitnet listserv inre message ruff james kiefer theologian worth salt form commentary book genesis walter kaufman 
certainty arrogance organization georgia institute technology lines reply post kilroy rowan nancy sweetheart human brains infested trusted limited circumstances differ properly formed conscience trusted virtually time materialistic human brain mass tissue possess trustworthy observation valid discussing mind animal human half animal half spiritual moment stops speaking people start interpreting possibility error appears literally record elaborated words thinking tran substatiation interpret passage brains reason draw conclusions brains perfect thinking leads wrong direct experience purpose church necessity infallible interpreter divine revelation church christianity bunch divisive sects infallible things extent doctrines rely fallible human thinking argument certainty observation conclusion necessarily substantiated experience reminds theoretical physicist measurment sensor interferes field measure experimental physicist reply measurement made absolute certainty able determine certainty measurement made knowledge sufficient render measurement evidence true condition field observation minds finite susceptible error competence arriving inductive insights confidence ability distinguish true true areas subject experimental method darren provine kilroy rowan substantial number talk religion misc readers read wittgenstein postings disappear understood wittgenstein disappear michael siemon quote arrogant boundary teneis pensar haya venido traer tierra venido traer sino guerra mateo vulgata latina 
phone number wycliffe translators organization lines article mprc rochester price writes concerned recent posting thought pretty denounced wing organization involved ideological manipulation cultural interference including vietnam south america commission mexican academia denounced covert political ideological institution govt instrument control regulation penetration espionage repression peter kingston years back struck exemplery dedicated christian main concern translation word welfare people group serving literature concerned providing scripture minority languages sort criticism leveled organisation lines ideological manipulation cultural interference christianising education stand alongside early christian missionaries parts africa groups worked native americans couple hundred years concern group acceptable praiseworthy readers religion christian important christians immediately accept christian organization automatically reproach substantiate attacks legitimate criticism priorities spreading gospel underdeveloped people barney resson knowledge increase daniel 
agnostic question organization dept lines article boeing tomlinson jimt writes goodness power complication friends fundamentalist issue firstly fundamentalist time assume friend believes bible word mankind suspect happened call born recent answer questions understandable give advice friend similar thing basic problem communicate worldviews talks things obvious obvious obvious persuasive point view sides fence turned fundamentalist agreeable things side suddenly world reality suddenly opened discovery continent planet wonderful thinks realise point view means eventhough offending worth risk respect stand listen moment difficult excited feel urgent quiet realise putting bible question convince subject left undiscussed preserve areas religious beliefs great friendship convince saving advice explain things side understand feel christian good part life turned christians fundamentalists enthusiastic faith scared truth religious belief personal thing agnosticism personal thing christian belief inevitably odds christian religious touchy matter friendships sides part make work matter part telling nicely able convince concern nonsense reality real insult careful insult stand give friend advice admit similarly friends christian ways things differently difficult excited blabbered found good crazy care time thought crazy real real mind thinks convince real real helpful challenge face personal conviction saving call devil hosts selbyn liew dept engineering university melbourne victoria australia email sliew 
religious wars organization glasgow university computing science dept lines sort thing discuss guess falls area apologetics question conversations christians appears sort unqualified statement religion caused wars bothers find satisfactory response religion peace love religious wars personally view religion excuse instigate wars disguise national ambitions love hear subject advance andrew fraser thinking terms history crusades northern ireland yugoslavia immediately mind northern ireland yugoslavia andrew james fraser mail fraseraj student university glasgow standard disclaimers beginning suspect natural condition humans conflict religion philosophy involved wars stopped 
hell black sabbath organization purdue university engineering computer network lines article rexlex fnal writes files weekend lyrics rock groups content black sabbath master reality music early asked questions significance jethro tull asked wrote things caused interesting posted lyrics thinking lyrics approached judgemental pharisitical evangelical fundamentalists throw bible long hair wear black leather jacket listen black sabbath throw back chins drop speechless satanic lyrics show important evils world battle rock lyrics steven salaris dangerous live crew salaris wustl stupid foul language ideas philosophy geoff tate queensryche 
phone number wycliffe translators organization university rochester rochester york lines mserv mail server writes mark concerned recent posting thought pretty denounced wing organization involved ideological manipulation cultural interference good heavens good friend collins wife small children jungles guatemala dangers primitive conditions armed guerillas indigenous people groups bible native languages young bible studies church daily demonstrated declared deep abiding faith lord love sneaky imperialistic find charges amusing mark understand frustration kind scary find assumptions challenged specific cultural interference refer includes linguistic manipulation instance tzotzil spanish dictionary removed spanish tzotzil words concepts threatening ruling ideology class conquer exploitation repression revolution words express ideological concepts examples boss boss good treats pays good wage students tone implies interested research sound references stoll david fishers founders empire wycliffe bible translators latin america sectas religiosidad america latina angeles times latin america press washington times june happy hunting 
losing temper christian trait organization cornell university lines hooray suspected human desire christ christians critical christians supposed grow mature endeavour christ perfect build body christ tear includes jesus loves today tomorrow sheila patterson 
shaped hole accepting jeesus heart organization massachusetts institute technology lines article johnsd johnson writes empty spot shaped hole hearts ease pain heard claim times shaped hole business verse back idea eternity hearts ecclesiastes sharon belville 
daily verse organization grass valley group grass valley lines father heaven brother sister mother matthew 
accepting jesus heart organization trunking fixed lines whitsebd rose hulman bryan whitsell writes religion christianity drug people drugs escape reality christians inject jeezus live high logic falty christianity drug reluctant embrase drug alive enjoy pardon harshness told cradle christian advantage jesus sake selfish realization search true faith religion belonging fear hell vanity serving serving comprehended truth things egoism jesus religion bible means escape ecstatic high children true authentic relationship father obedience faith hope love works important beware materialistic worldly selfish motives atheists ground call christians marida spreading gods words actions mother teresa 
moody monthly moody organization rogaland university centre lines moody monthly moody magazine change recent years post address moody monthly avid david sjoen sheep hear voice gulaksveien follow give life eternal stavanger perish seize norway hand john mail david rogaland university centre norway 
abri experiences organization mentor graphics corporation lines curious land spent time abri houses world experience affected interesting experiences original abri switzerland personal interactions francis edith schaeffer milligan 
arrogance christians lines eeap cwru virgilio dean velasco writes article caralv auto trol carol alvin writes virgilio dean velasco writes carol alvin writes truths absolutes scripture truths absolutes answer questions absolute constant time culture situations true instance agree definition agree definition women covering heads speaking hold scripture true discerning jesus paul company easy paul women behave circumstances time women speaking avoid volubility cover heads maintaining proper witness remember number relativistic statements derived absolutes instance absolutely christians strive peace rule maintain world peace resorting violence occasion opinion agree truth scripture principles learned claiming truth absolute imply literal reading bible absolute truth constant time culture interpretation lessons gleaned passages person person person wrong transcends simple minds scripture crafted intent claiming scripture absolute person disputed interpretation wrong rigid evangelicals taking part scripture absolute truth plenty examples reconcile bible preaches absolute truths truths matter confusion bible preach absolute truths fundamental principles crystal clear evangelicals arrogance play principles crystal clear evangelicals rest word crystal clear fundamental principles fundamental principles established figuring biblical truth matter human interpretation error prone claim crystal clear segment christianity difficult claim based interpretation absolute revealed truths world word utterly unavoidable people whill alternate interpretations practically misinterpreted matters wrong care deny supports position effectively position bible absolute truth prone error interpretation reliably determine figured truth point spending time claiming defending absolute truth truths shouldn practical difference make carol alvin caralv trol 
atheist views christianity accepting jeesus heart organization georgia institute technology lines article jasons jason smith writes article kempmp oulu petri pihko writes true science collection models telling good reason questions bound natural things assuming supernatural domain exists supernatural beings exist exist disagree assertion science collection models scientific models game play good assumptions measurements remember nuclear winter hype atmospheric science long sagan admonitions boys adding level reality model nuclear winter scenario boulder decided assume atmosphere dimensional thing dimensional thing assumed rained winds blow real atmosphere returning georgia tech showed transparency atmospheric cooling rates year generated models unmistakable correlation meaning simplicity assumptions remoteness reality model degree cooling sagan model showed approximate degree cooling episode model sophistication showed half model showed degree drop happened winter degree drop happened summer predicted include presence oceans chemistry biosphere indicators reality models cooling nuclear winter reduced nuclear autumn nuclear fizzle quote yoder postulated models accepted reality lattice assumptions authoritarianism dominates field critical analysis argument encouraged skepticism model approach earth problems warranted parameters included statement surely applies equally cosmogony convincing observational evidence substantiates modeled results suggest model describe reality thought clear things hand boundary teneis pensar haya venido traer tierra venido traer sino guerra mateo vulgata latina 
revelations babylon organization muskingum college lines bible study college revelations pretty good sort reasonable interpretation chapters talk woman beast fall babylon beast antichrist differ obvious woman represents babylon stands rome roman catholic church views interpretation falling babylon chapter babylon chapter catholic church hate step toes jimmy buddenberg internet jbuddenberg muskingum muskingum college reading imagery roman catholic church common earlier protestant writers find frankly embarassing readers advocate position problem description makes political entity kings controls world commerce seated mountains recall rome traditionally regarded built hills church current roman catholic church church anti christ merged state turning scenario true catholics persecuted impression satan pretending angel light true church persecuted remnant consistent playing image anti christ presiding church claims heir protestant catholic traditions true spiritual descendants peter reformers equally persecuted 
work organization mind link british columbia canada lines local religion christian group moribund posting sundays easter church sermon based story book joshua joshua sending spies land planning remember heard part radio documentary bosnia rahab woman sheltered spies people melting fear heard radio documentary knowing muslims bosnia losing felt uncomfortable serbs driving christians hand ministers bible opposed values held secular society members church involved country missionary work pastor talked spiritual warfare bringing christ nonreligious people area sunday sermon joshua israelites jericho proceed massacre rahab sheltered spies reports bosnia mind felt uncomfortable minister massacre joshua bothered taking christianity troubled reports ethnic cleansing bosnia sympathies moslims bosnian muslims descendants christians turkish rule converted islam serbs work people setting bloody wars conquest troubling discussions personally question time wars justified specifically commanded serbs behaving group matter 
arrogance christians organization georgia institute technology lines dleonar bgsu pixie writes unfaithfully pixie sincerely exists follow blindly words question authority defy theist reply dear defiant unfaithful pixie challenge reply theist foundation faith reason existence proven existence proven reason indisputable short treatise traditional proofs existence summa theologica exists existence proven reason assert commands blindly fallen condition measure doubt faith things mover matter independent thing requires existence measure perfect essential order universe logos assert good contrary evil absence good contradict promise savior early protoevangelium genesis instructs human adam responsible alienation source good required restore friendship incarnate person messiah messiah claimed truth john claim true bound reason follow truth incarnate problem authority united states marine corps hand excellent instructor authority privilege reply authority truth incarnate questioned blindly deny truth proverbial apple fell isaac newton head denied happened laws physics obeyed human likes true authority truth denied boundary teneis pensar haya venido traer tierra venido traer sino guerra mateo vulgata latina 
people married organization whuzzat lines writes essential ingredient marriage mutual commitment persons considered married bound mutual promises live husband wife forsaking till death part imply people marriage vows sincere married jeff johnson 
atheist views christianity accepting jeesus heart organization university georgia ucns lines article kempmp oulu petri pihko wrote jason smith jasons wrote answer source existence sounds tempted exist source existence terms human time existed source existence argument sounds exist meta exists meta existent perspective created existence nonsolution mere twist words existing source existence beings problematic source existence including concept alien christianity theism understand classical concepts contingent existence exists necessarily created contingent beings coherent solution existence long concept coherent answer heard human reasoning incapable understanding questions atheist accept answers methods good answer reason means understand null concept reality kalivoda 
cell church discussion group organization university illinois dept comp urbana lines beginning mail discussion group cell churches follower jesus christ cell church church transitioning cell church interested learning cell churches send mail reserve remove group demonstrate spirit humility christlikeness reid fool reid uiuc gain lose elliot 
atheists hell organization freshman civil engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines mark schnitzius writes literal interpreters bible problem view bible talks fires hell found confusing nerve endings physical body flame hurt wail gnash teeth lungs teeth feel physical pain body doctrine resurrection body people great judgement resurrection dead life world nicene constantinopolitan creed body soul hell eventually andy byler 
prayers advice requested family problem organization princeton university lines brother alienated parents shortly marriage domineering insecure woman twelve years things painfully polite christmas card sort level time attempts disastrously wife throwing screaming storming imagined slights inattention insensitivity happen single restaurant meal live state quivering anxiety hoping futilely storm breaking sacrificed meaningful contact friends interests choice accept deplore hard time time wanted drop pretense relationship cutting contact real painful relationship talking honestly thought dramatic evasive find excuse phone leave door open case decides back unsatisfying choice superficial trappings relationship weekend mother finally decided pretend relations outcome phone conversation sister screamed raved mother blaming wrong lives brother evaded temporized claimed situation control expected mother make allowances concessions quietly abuse terms relationship talk hung mother lose temper time hung feels divorced brother relief ways break open mixed feelings proud sticking angry brother sister hurting jerks persisting wretched life hurts warping children angry sister hateful angry brother coward respect throw energy appease unappeasable emotionally disturbed woman pained children mess scared future marks time things change improve break irrevocable nastily righteous proof treating disgusted beginning gloat misery finally parents hurt brother sister trapped horrible destructive situation bear paths frustrated drives wall pray feelings rage impotence vindictiveness situation free desire concrete desire define problem besetting vices terrible time quieting internal mental chatter listen thoughtful kind people advice time reach brother things conquer rage question evading long long post christian proponent faith hope charity accept destruction relationship give brother accept powerless wait answer mail post julie jjmarvin princeton 
christian christianity lines article caltech henling lawrence writes article find view christianity disheartening idea life meaning importance creator basis belief forgive inclusions suppose neccessary follow argument point life meaning importance find meaning importance tautology hope patronizing term meaning creator obvious argument logic appalling exist heard line reasoning prevalent modern society people convinced life hopeless pollsters newscasts state good reason religious meaning join cult waco leaders give security blanket desire term religious ambiguous context searching meaning life definition religious cult followers definition search meaning search truth understanding christianity congruent understanding truth conclusions worded ways make sense means imply understand chris mussack 
rise organization claremont graduate school lines article hfsi john writes vastly oversimplifying things early christians suffered totures witness christ appears jewish rulers time aversion hearing jesus finally apostle death james zebedee rome hand martyr stephen problem believed resurrection jesus stood preached ministry earth extremely difficult people plotted kill basic problem argument total complete reliance biblical text luke account highly suspect refer hermeneia commentary acts luke account written years fact meantime mentions died attempts find actual written sources text section portion acts firmly established pauls account events acts recorded galatians fail establish acts accounts reliable text critically appreciated documents death christians belief resurrection suggest greek roman historians disapointed randy 
proof resurection organization claremont graduate school lines article writes article smayo scott mayo writes christianity flames resurrection disproved paul write resurrection true biggest fools christ teachings love brotherman secular level great deal alleviate problems today world rabid atheist deny jeff johnson fail note intense suffering devastation wrecked world christians christ captialist polluted enviorment strict obedience gensis command subdue earth nazi justly punished jews killing christ progroms innocent women burned alive accordance witch live moslems killed crusades fearing destroyed inquistion religious wars spain france england christianity undoubtedly caused suffering needless loss life individuals certainity instructions unquestionable grieve randy 
question jesus oneness reply bjorn larsen sintef organization delab lines dear fellow netters time time term oneness pentecostals similar occurred posts group movement called jesus trinity plans change reently made aware person church holds view trinity future discuss item feel friends group background information basic reasons holding belief jesus vice versa foundations trinity quotes bible historical development bjorn mail mail bjorn larsen bjorn larsen sintef sintef delab trondheim norway 
education organization austin lines article jkellett kellett writes question discussion textbooks teach safe drug kids drug abstinence pass bullet proof vests school promote safe usage chris mussack 
rise organization claremont graduate school lines article gene gross gene gross writes knew forget jesus jews romans troublemaker pilate fool additional headaches fishermen stealing jesus body make arisen jesus buried grave sanhedrin buried begs question problem individuals posting biblical account sort historical recounting modern sense refer john dominic crossans book cross spoke harper earliest texts make reference empty tomb empty tomb claim resurrection modern evangelicals fundamentalists completely missed point resurrection work george nickelsburg work resurrection immortality eternal life intertestamental judaism publ cambridge havard univ press helpful paul empty tomb additionally mention empty tomb raised note passive appeared ascension resurrection accomplished disturbing bones grave idea empty tomb broached texts fall jerusalem time idea coming body ludicrious mack argued convicingly empty tomb story appears mark texts mention tomb disciples stole body moment maintain knew deliberate disciples talking dying firmly truth unbeknown talking dying beheading stoning crucifixion position disciples stealing body lightweight graverobbers risk severe penalties grave robbing body jesus buried great riches argument discounted leaves back square happened body comment plausible christian scenario typically suggested sceptics knowledgeable resurrection subjective event empty tomb stories result accounts growing telling idea subjective mystical event foundation resurrection narratives untenable mack myth innocence randy 
latest branch davidians organization motorola development lines article conditt arlut utexas paul conditt wrote people faith mere claim prophet christ return desert wilderness lightning flashes east west coming paraphrase verse john file broken 
accepting jeesus heart lines eric molas writes religion christianity drug truth statement word medicine drug regard condition human soul christianity foremost healing medicine strengthens enables healing takes hold grow strength health live created people drugs escape reality christ medicine rightly allowed work brings nearer reality offers clarity understanding strength spirit meet healthy human christians inject jesus live high small spelling correction added gerry palo 
assurance hell organization community access unix internet project lines article rexlex fnal writes dreamed great judgment morning dawned trumpet blown dreamed sinners gathered judgment white throne weeping wailing lost told fate cried rock mountains prayed prayers late soul salvation tonight saved time religion alas found time great white throne believed bible fearful making statement judge judged measure protest fear hell good motivation jesus thought paul thought paul knowing terror lord persuade motivate fear worthy worship jesus spoke exist hell convince people worship today evangelism soft soap evangelical salesmanship people anymore thing place hell myth hell made finally realize thing untrue hell believer today myth hell made realize knowing good claimed word evidence existance join pythagorean reform church repent evil irrational numbers bean eating ways accept heart call pythagorean reform church 
rise reply parkin organization microsystems mountain view lines issue importance crucification tragic mistake tragic mistake accomplished disbelief jesus world build kingdom heaven earth desperately wanted jewish people accept messiah crucification jesus pray pass weakness women lives country noble jesus knew crucification jewish people accept jesus messiah kingdom heaven established earth jesus head jewish people expected happened years imagine kind world live today world eactly wanted women saved living messiah earth jesus established sinless lineage continued reign ascension spiritual world live kingdom heaven earth wait christ return returns recognized find faith earth time return years mike article rutgers oser wustl scott oser writes article mcovingt michael covington writes historic facts important jesus rise dead equally impressive order create observed amount impact displayed dead body jesus jewish roman authorities gained discredited christians simplest refutations impact record impact testament guarantee books accurate recorded impact happened find interesting contemporary source records eclipse earthquake temple curtain torn earliest written claim jesus resurrection pauline epistles written sooner years supposed event probable displayed body jesus knew personally explanation body stolen disciples graverobbers bother point guards appears gospel sort thing early christians make order counter grave robbing charge testament record jews believed body stolen guards effectively made claim scott 
etymology easter lines languages feast resurrection lord pasch pasque variation thereof word hebrew pesach meaning passover english german related languages easter variation thereof questions asked origin term explanation venerable bede ratione temporum derives word anglo saxon goddess spring called eastre bede great scholar natural word lived augustine began preaching kent word easter describe feast established birth bede birth discussed subject derivation guess based awareness anglo saxon goddess spring bearing resemblance words resemblance surely surprising personification spring similar word dawn istelf convincing testimony conjecture bede make assuming bede justify christian celebration centuries easter applied pagan roots simply anglo saxons christians beginning celebrate resurrection festival spring called meant simply spring festival bede theory proposed knoblech sprach zeitschrift fuer sprachwissenschaft vienna offers derivation latin speaking christians week beginning feast resurrection hebdomada alba white week newly baptized christians accustomed wear white baptismal robes week week referred simply albae translaters rendering german mistook plural alba meaning dawn rendered eostarum high german dawn gave rise form easter english james kiefer interested restarting discussions propriety celebrating easter interesting information people 
organization university westminster lines commited christian battling problem romans talks saved faith deeds hebrews james faith deeds useless fools believing fully believing life totally lead romans person saved faith preferes cold condemned lukewarm christian believes make attempt live bible opinion saved faith taught romans square mind teachings james conjunction lukewarm christian spat bothers christ dallas cowboys world champions 
interfaith weddings reply norris organization organisation lines bill burns description differnces catholic lutheran churches recommend prof william whalen book separated brethren overview common denominations intended catholic audience richard aquinas chonak norris seeking change cobol programmer unix 
paul weekly collections lines mark gregory foster writes corinthians idea introduced reason paul wanted corinthians money collection week received weekly wages ancient romans observe week working jewish employer paid week jewish employer wages week james kiefer 
eliz prophet lines butera asks book called lost years jesus elizabeth clare prophet book miss prophet leader group church universal triumphant derived group founded ballard began mission writing memory details straight account check library bnook marcus bach eighteenth century frenchman appeared tapped shoulder offered cosmic essence major tenet movement monastery mountains tibet monk descends lower altitudes centuries preach major religions founded monks monastery typically ballard family successors prophet family related marriage remember aright base teachings messages allegedly received telepathy tibet surprised book mention scholarly basis james kiefer 
chanting passion lines mike rolfe writes latin beautiful hear passion chanted deacons narrator chants middle baritone range jesus chants bass directly quoted handled high tenor english music traditional latin anglican parishes expect parishes likewise matthew passion john passion bach direct offshoots tradition james kiefer 
muslim tithe sexism genesis lines mdbs muslims tithe income offshoots islam impose followers standard tithe worth year writer objects bible teaching woman created helper reference genesis suppose chapter written sexes reversed creating woman good woman make meet feminists outraged clear implication started bottom worked making plants fish birds beasts woman finally masterpiece male chauvinist statement woman capable functioning open doors gratuitous insult fact creation woman dust ground briefly general creation times number words cited evidence author estimate relative importance sexes verdict unequivocal respecting woman accept book moral guide sexist trash suggest moses fearing reaction altered original draft creation adam appease miriam radical feminists reason work james kiefer 
proof resurection organization whuzzat lines article reedr claremont writes fail note intense suffering devastation wrecked world christians christ captialist strict obedience gensis innocent women burned alive accordance witch live moslems killed crusades fearing destroyed inquistion religious wars spain france england christianity undoubtedly caused suffering needless loss life individuals certainity instructions unquestionable grieve agree gospels jesus advocate actions mention find witch sorceress concordance epistles witches working gospels reference witch sorceress 
organization brunel university uxbridge lines ogden jono rtsg wrote dead useless faith action actions prove faith show genuineness good abraham referred james passage hebrews abraham justified faith faith demonstrated works obeyed told reading abraham biography genesis instructive beset lack faith time lying sarah wife occasions fulfil promise behalf copulating hagar evaluate basis individual incidents abraham listed heroes faith hebrews crunch declared abraham faith believed promises confidence real faith demonstrates works judge success failure performing works works righteousness mercy saved washing regeneration renewing holy spirit titus amazing grace hallelujah michael davis 
iterations bible organization university westminster lines religious dont kinda flame advance versions bible version bible read front page inaccurate data inconsistencies advance shaz versions primary distinction versions today style translation pretty unusual significant differences meaning differences underlying text printing manuscripts copied hand slight differences resulted manuscripts scholars pretty good recreating original uncertainties fortunately generally level minor differences wording places sentences involved recent discoveries older manuscripts uncertainly cases christians process copying manuscripts process translating free error uncertainty establishing text translating practical effect bible inaccurate data inconsistences topic debate christians deny accept inaccuracies involved details affect faith multiple versions supposed inconsistences found versions surprised find reference title page version talking referring major scholarly translations referenced postings editions kind widely accepted includes reconstructions combine parallel accounts single narrations editions omit material editor objects reason copyright bible long expired stop people making editions wierd thing editions widely carefully prepared groups scholars variety backgrounds lots crosschecks imagine lesser editions claiming fixed inaccurate data inconsistencies edition widely widely leave text weell alleged translations fudged word minimize inconsistencies translation exact science differences opinion word afraid 
organization tektronix beaverton lines article lmvec william hargreaves writes commited christian battling problem romans talks saved faith deeds hebrews james faith deeds useless fools believing conflict understand passages faith study meaning greek hebrew words translated conclusion word means mere belief faith means trust action belief action simply qualify faith james means faith works dead show faith works remember james writing twelve tribes scattered abroad means writing hear gospel understand meaning original greek suspect james writing today intended reach paul hand wrote people roman empire generally understood meaning greek conflict paul statements context find paul contrasts faith works context comparing gospel meaning moses great burden paul life apostle gentiles convert bunch people judizers convince obey moses acts chapter context paul condemns idea saved works saved blood jesus faith translation today saved faithfulness faithfulness today meaning closer original writers intended fully believing life totally lead romans person saved faith misunderstand romans paul prefers faithful gentile kosher kosher fails stay faithful important matters lord charity fellows preferes cold condemned lukewarm christian believes make attempt live bible sense faith real faith lukewarm lukewarm unfaithful worse person heard remember jesus parable pearl great price treasure hidden field price kingdom agree general including fact pistis force faithful paul intended faithful means things saved faithful close saved commiting sins assume meant finding specific verbal formula completely captures paul describing call basic orientation including aspects trust commitment jesus speaks rebirth implies basic change things sinful fail show life christ situations christian basic change orientation jesus calls born 
assurance hell organization university colorado boulder lines article rexlex fnal writes accepted jesus savior taking awful chance jehovah witnesses longer frequent door wrong lived good life cease exist wrong suffer eternal damnation make point dirty harry feel lucky limitations whosoever wont ridiculous argument christian switching christianity religion offered frightening description hell christians view strictly insurance policy message love compassion faith based fear hell sounds dysfunctional relationship child cringes fear parent physical violence religions concrete views heaven hell threats persuasions competition envison worst hell nurture idea loving neighbor comments criticism alvin colorado 
question jesus oneness organization massachusetts institute technology lines jesus believers moderator writes misunderstanding terms agree jesus originally context baptism folks baptism formula mentioning jesus father holy spirit doctrinal implications folks deny existence divinity father describe theology fact including classically called monophysite arian views beliefs consistent trinitarian standards trinitarian language misunderstand simply biblical biblical make matthew jesus authority heaven earth make disciples nations baptizing father holy spirit teaching obey commanded remember ancient authorities amen nrsv notes give sense emended texts contradict baptism misunderstanding trinity explanation simply misunderstand views forced read group good bible unabridged dictionary christianity education david tucker arrgghh talked people rejected trinitarian language unbiblical speaking trinitarian theology things essense persons fold baptismal formula biblical point term fold referring consistent belief trinity trinity doctrine full formulation occurred cent mind fully developed trinitarian doctrine fold baptismal formula groups trinity disagreement baptismal formulae occurs passages acts command baptism jesus couple passages acts leaves sort problem commanded baptize father holy spirit acts baptize jesus jesus groups baptize jesus consistent jesus father holy spirit explain means simply normal trinitarian theology dealing idiomatic phrase fold formula standard answer passages talking baptizing jesus suspect common explanation verbal formula baptize jesus simply baptism jesus authority cent context contrasts christian baptism baptism john jewish baptism parallelism passages suggests require specific fold formula baptism simply characterizes baptism follow father holy spirit suspect early church baptismal formula long jesus father holy spirit great damage difference back formulae baptism things christian groups recognize mutually upset interests gospel reinforced fact groups jesus mind difference doctrine explain doctrine 
daily verse lines lord servant quarrel kind able teach resentful oppose gently instruct hope grant repentance leading knowledge truth senses escape trap devil captive iitimothy 
question bothering organization cypress semi beaverton lines article wquinnan ucsd malcusco writes article atterlep oakland cardinal ximenez writes problem science assume endowed ability produce life sexual relations assume designing creator observe ability procreate make availible science ride decision alterations wills power decide able children observe ability modify fertility intelligence experiment draw similar conclusions designing scientific inquiry technology produces ability draw solid line approve scientific study experiments universe find secrets knowledge truth hold truth basic ethical values correct moral judgement relies knowing truth vice versa moralities assert assent belief moral choice compelled evidence inevitably limb falsification evidence conscious unconscious corrupting intellect heart person pray guidance unravel mysteries universe cease unravelling reason search displeasing malcusco fear truth imaginary gods followers afraid afraid 
people married eyes organization lines opinions engaged couple married eyes waiting speak bibles hand give exact chapter verse time jesus told peter rock hold true earth held true heaven hold true true heaven respect marriage ceremony priest parties required priest couple witnesses divorce allowed anullments granted approval bishop pope pope delegates function mark ashley disclaimer opinions harris marka harris lost angelino 
people married eyes organization lines article cwru richard szanto writes previous article randerso sahs robert anderson opinions engaged couple married eyes publically announced plans marry made vows unswervingly committed realize subjective qualifier married joined sight discussed girlfriend married legally people sexually sexual relations decided marry eventually financial distance reasons legally married year half married life eyes faith strong relationship years full marry church find church living area marry find church community feel people commit marriage married bound commitment rick szanto rick nailed problem pretty find scripture missed details married make assumptions based principles scripture takes parties make marriage husband wife promise convenant married ceremonial part connectedness body christ brothers sisters involved accountability parts part concept hebrews forsaking assembling custom lone ranger christians lone ranger marriages smack sufficiency paul simon rock island model christianity song lyrics show marriage legal matter institution places laws specifically crosswise clear teachings scripture obey avoid appearance evil thess imply civil ceremony marriage mind conscience back beginning married intended promise convenant bobby akgua states kind commitment richard szanto posting create common marriage posting long establishing marriage exists issue court consult lawyer familiar common marriage state 
serbian genocide work organization carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines serbian genocide work user james sledd writes governments united states europe moving ethnic cleansing serbs targets muslims bingo serbian genocide work user james sledd writes serbs work work doubly glad worship david hunt graduate slave mind mechanical engineering ideas opinions palestinian carnegie mellon university jewish homeland email bluelobster working piled higher deeper great scientists engineers money religions money priest 
arrogance christians lines dean write lots lots absolute truth arrogance eeap cwru virgilio dean velasco writes strongly suspect reaching impasse deign commenting agree agree starting feel frustrated tired conversations husband dominated topic kidding participating discussion good learning experience views topic evolved clarified suspect disagree admit strongly prejudiced evangelical christianity rational reactions grew college wrong place react strongly implication conservative christianity sort stronghold true christianity shudder remember condescending attitude christians adhere model real objection notion absolute truth actions lead experiences evangelical christians claiming truth judging based belief answers knowing truth leave room opinions accept belief absolute truth long belief force comply careful hurt love neighbor totally window truth believes living truth people convictions truth strong sincere based careful searching prayer relationship dismiss lead conclusions directed personally dean carol alvin caralv trol 
messiahs lines article rutgers desiree bradley desiree bradley writes missed postings waco david koresh coming coming real thing person claiming insane rule thumb person making claim wrong reading john morning chapter close bible work check jesus talking disciples impending death lines provide exact quote citation understanding coming outward event event christ live hearts live person deceived jews messiah political military leader recognize jesus jesus show kingdom earth written coming based expectation christ coming back finally taking world running sounds jews coming reason coming expect happen coming time christ someones heart christ peace william taber taber opinions expressed data general corp webo mine westboro mass change notice dreams laid rest hard david wilcox 
jesus black organization bgsu lines people post newsgroup cowardly arrogant apathetic discuss issue discussion grace computer screen holds interest african american community gain discussing knowledgable person christianity country tighten spiritual emotional mental hold slavery minds souls hearts african americans effectively display white icons jesus slave churches encourage godly superiority slaveowners slaveowner provider looked unconditional love loyalty worshipped great pride culturally biblically accurate icons pictures statues black jesus found european countries black madonna biblical physical descriptions jesus hair compared wool feet brass area world biblical actions place intelligent commentary important topic flamers reply sherlette expect type response matter color skin actions mankind counts true questioning walked earth decades human part existence intrigues matter member physically emancipated people struggling mental emancipation matters general attack members group unjustified discussion issue past discuss fact specific thing discussed recently sign general cowardice arrogance apathy past discussions outraged suggestions jesus black suggested scholars concensus semitic tradition portrayals jesus show people surprised find african showing black oriental showing oriental good reasons relating christian devotion good image challenged jesus member group respect 
accepting jeesus heart organization bell northern research ottawa canada lines johnson asked evidence effective abuse recovery programs involve meeting people spiritual responded step programs alcoholics anonymous steps involves acknowleding higher power step abuse recovery programs acknowledged effective johnson clarified show effective substance absure recovery programs involve meetinsg peoples spiritual attempting fill peoples spiritual percieved people regulars snoopy provide objective proof existence claimed able fact existence premise assumption underlies philosophy life matter faith christian agnostic sufficient subjective evidence justify sustain relationship matter premises assumptions assume life universe materialism spirituality exists assumption answers question apparent spiritual find assumption consistent subsequent observat ions find fills spiritual objectively prove difference apparent filling imagined spiritual real filling real spiritual prove person spiritual seanna watson bell northern research pray living seanna ottawa ontario canada philosophies creeds find people busy opinion opinions opinions planting trees sowing seeds mine knew left fred kaan 
hell black sabbath organization university georgia athens lines article jprzybyl jennifer przybylinski writes wrong jeff fenholt part black sabbath played jesus jesus christ superstar christian played black sabbath saved left link hudson 
answer question organization free university berlin germany lines causeway heard accounts christs life ministry gospels written years event years correct time delay scripture inspired time writing suppose important curious ivan thomas barr contact causeway gospels dated guess luke prolog thing author describing process prolog sounds luke generation investigating traditions passed verbally things composition gospels debates reliable traditions status scripture scholars tend suggests mark based peter sermons written preserve peter died tradition matthew suggests collection jesus words made earlier current gospels ancient world common rely verbal transmission information people preferred hear jesus directly studied directly person book suspect gospels largely period people beginning scholars generally written material earlier sources existing gospels establishing dates complex technical business confess reliance methods common mark written gospels written century people vary decade 
copt newsletter lines fourth issue copt newsletter issued highlights issue include easter greating christ risen risen holy family egypt part anba abraam friend poor part review coptic encyclopedia dictionary coptic language newsletter prepared members copt forum news activities services coptic orthodox churches coptic communities egypt coordinated exchanged included mailing list questions contact nabil ayoub copt editorial board 
rise reply robp network organization network systems corporation lines article rutgers parkin michael parkin writes issue importance crucification tragic mistake tragic mistake accomplished disbelief finished reading good book weatherhead helpful applying thought subject weatherhead broke distinct parts intentional circumstancial ultimate weatherhead refuted statement michael parkin nicely summarizing failures humankind ultimate defeated intentions interfered temporarily defeated humankind brought circumstance ultimate reconcilication humankind stopped time time weatherhead cross description process work points paraphrased intentional jesus christ live full life perform work living failures sins deviousness humankind frustrated intent circumstance ultimate revealed cross jesus willingly lord died redemption humankind cross utterly triumphant overcoming cruel circumstances world build kingdom heaven earth desperately wanted jewish people accept messiah crucification jesus pray pass weakness women lives country noble jesus knew crucification intentional circumstancial enabling victory ultimate jewish people accept jesus messiah kingdom heaven established earth jesus head intentional jewish people expected happened years imagine kind world live today world eactly wanted women saved living messiah earth jesus established sinless lineage continued reign ascension spiritual world live kingdom heaven earth wait christ return returns recognized find faith earth time return years time place return thief night peace legal mumbo jumbo mail post reflects opinions poster author manner reflects corporate policy statement opinion expression network systems corporation 
organization university westminster lines article lmvec william hargreaves writes commited christian battling problem romans talks saved faith deeds hebrews james faith deeds useless fools believing deleted opinion saved faith taught romans square mind teachings james conjunction lukewarm christian spat bothers dear replied thing hope thoughts faith accompanied action dead james faith belief action great swimmer swimming swimmer people likewise christian talk christian faith demonstrated action fact talk proves faith satan believes follow similar vein recently challenged john obey commands find verse encouraging imply obey commands lives obey tend feel daily submit ourself changing likeness jesus fruit works automatically produced lives hope helps james holland rcfec 
hell black sabbath organization dayton microcomputer association dayton ohio lines wrong jeff fenholt part black sabbath major brother christ totally changed life wife tours singing witnessing spreading gospel christ wrong black sabbath similar band group jeff speaks listening bands black sabbath sorts satanic stuff mark dotsonm 
hell organization university maryland college park lines article tbrent purdue timothy brent writes stated atheist christian recent discussion atheists hell combined post group effect hell interested consensus judge catholic told buddhist heaven people atheists pagans assume lumped category hellbound judge opinions excellent question timothy hpoe answers satisfactory understand mind attempt answer bible humans relativly intends judge mankind test beleived jesus christ death resurrection sufficent serve justice acts commit wrong eyes bible calls world died complicated explain lapsing cliche judge people baasis works world minus system declared tolerate spiritual imperfection based worthiness live wrong life good people christians constantly christian hoever christ life penalty proscribed punishment death proscribed punishment robbery time jail punishement sins condem bible john send word condem saved realize sinned painful regularity approach hold thew privlige christ jews promised messiah jesus nazereth muslims fear fater lies satan christ view bible stand olone defense hell answer eaiser answer hell step rewarding stan toney stoney smcm opinions borrow stay touch questions listens 
people married eyes organization programs university georgia athens lines recapitulate essence marriage people commitment people claim married hearts marriage recognized church state prima facie evidence commitment obvious situations christian marriage civil church wedding stranded desert island state forbids marriage unjust reason laws interracial marriage legal concept common marriage meant ensure state recognize marriages start usual ceremony record keeping pastorally concerned people married eyes excuse living formal wedding duty marriage properly recorded witnessed people wedding ceremony making genuine commitment married eyes michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio statement dangerous long formally undertaken responsibility marriage moral obligation intention people involved marriage covenant believed good faith marriage occurred obligations created situations intent marriage exist classic part play exceptions clear parties 
assurance hell lines previous article lfoard virginia lawrence foard writes jesus talked hell heaven info respect diminished tenfold promise wise loving hard time understanding attitude gospels accurate doubt jesus belived hell reality teacher wise loving thing people audience headed warn cruel sadistic place exists remain quiet scenario envision dimished respect justified jesus knew place hell spoke scare people accuse jesus encourage reconsider loving response perceive danger dave weaver fool weaver gain lose elliot 
serbian genocide work organization netcom line communication services guest lines james sledd jsledd upenn wrote serbs work wondering question governments united states europe moving ethnic cleansing serbs targets muslims accomplish tasks tasks punative james sledd cute working suggesting supports genocide germans punishing jews behalf works indescribably evil unworthy worship faith revdak 
atheists hell organization georgia institute technology lines resurrection dead life world nicene constantinopolitan creed resurrection statement resurrection soul guess resurrection strictly raising physical body questions point time church check creed apostles creed resurrection body learned body soul thought christians descent hell pretty people burning hell soul exist time risk offending interject century point view christ descended immediately bosom abraham captives captive preached saved days drawing back earth expert part matthew death jesus tombs opened bodies saints fallen asleep raised coming tombs resurrection entered holy city appeared hell damned speak christ acts abodes dead subject brethren anguish direct contact mail genuinely concerned body created atoms body made built scratch body adam fateful encounter acts trans vulgate filled infused knowledge absent concupiscence immortal glorified physical body assume physical place exist hell center earth find recommend center earth normal geothermal gradient boundary catechist teneis pensar haya venido traer tierra venido traer sino guerra mateo vulgata latina 
arrogance christians organization monash university melbourne australia lines article carleton mark baker writes things visible believeing blindly blindness deny reason insist reason draws conclusions evidence decide advance reason evidence physical senses reason possibility reaching conclusion physical sphere provocative inconclusive conclusion physical sphere explanatory rely feelings experiences source information left convince feelings experiences correct show visible measurable effects experiences exists leave experiences correct personal realities trouble feelings experiences lead astray tragic outcome waco illustrates koresh followers believed agree misled finally earth conclusion physical sphere explanatory rely senses christians claim received kind evidence call faith gift evidence evidence thing chooses reveal hide evidence senses ting exists reasoning evidence senses christians reason evidence faith claim evidence wholly consistent evidence senses evidence senses part revelation definition evidence familiar evidence show unambiguously true agree belief diety matter faith share experience independantly explained puts belief matter experience impression christians monopoly reason evidence faith things previous article monash science reason prove faith faith picture hinduism valid christianity faith opposed reason simply source evidence reason operate clear human beings systems explaining evidence physical senses similarly systems explaining evidence provided faith religious believers general christians reason sift evidence clearer understanding evidence provided faith science claims good reason valid system explaining physical universe christianity claims good reason valid system possessed evidence explaining gods revelations risk repeating argument explained previously trouble moslems buddhists jews claim good reason valid system possessed evidence explaining gods revelations buddhists read explaining existence prove case disprove messianic good place people strong belief faiths good reasons doubt christians reason read newsgroup rational debate aplenty people reason claimed make arguments founded make blunder expect people correct process removing essential contradictory bits made progress truth mark baker task jungles carleton irrigate deserts lewis lowe department physics monash university melbourne victoria australia 
christians urbana illinois distribution organization department geological sciences suny albany lines apologize post newsgroup correspond christians attending university illinois urbana champaign transfering august complete thought nice correspond people moved steven schimmrich department geological sciences semper albany state university york albany sunt quae bitnet albany york videntur 
hell lines asks stated atheist christian recent discussion atheists hell combined post group effect hell interested consensus judge catholic told buddhist heaven people atheists pagans assume lumped category hellbound judge opinions simplistic john saus loved world gave believes perish eternal life genesis abram believed lord reckoned righteousness find restricts heaven ethnic groups religious denominations category humans drop people require trust hebrews spoke prophets testament days spoken jesus christ learn pages testament bible tells heard leave capable care make desires behooves knowledge reject claims jesus heaven joke reject hell joke final gerry opinions expressed necessarily employer 
atheist views christianity accepting jeesus heart organization cypress semi beaverton lines article jasons jason smith writes laws nature effect dictate layman mind causal event reasonable alternative exists bang model supposes temporal singularity point origin time prior occur invent fables surrounding context fine fable good prefer exists opposed singularity happened giant puce subspace iguanas fling universes tongues gobs spit laws nature demand true nature super natural genetic code deciphered lifetimes convert inert material sustaining reproducing life prophet picture york mind technology able produce spark life parts opinion opinion wrong assembling molecules produced inert matter spontaneously mutated rapidly assembling form exposure ultraviolet light abiogenesis beginnings evolution today nature early year biological vitalism dead dead years give life spark life organization systems poised chaos order king returns jason king baldly repeatedly stated back lifetime present alive messiahs nineteen ninety years anno domini webb watched closely discussion long replay detailed discussion point brings initial singularity geometry bang interesting time turns space 
losing temper christian trait lines article ruthless ruth ditucci coming long line tempered people temper tale signs fruits give christians replies acrid angry sarcastic hope suggesting person replies acrid angry sarcastic manner demonstrates christianity simple fact christian face planet perfect times temper sulk make christian points christian perceive christ statement inherently suggests christ jesus unrighteously lost temper jesus perfect village laugh professed born christians verbally attack people christianity originally joined discussions spiritually hungry answering questions sweetness sincerity chrisitan warriors flame queries understand christians forget treat role model christ human falible pretend infalible hope fellow bear make mistakes surely make effort bear enemies greatest harm foolish foolish foolish human brethren duticci valid point christians heed warning article oftimes discredit saviour treat strive goal lord meantime remember condemnation christ blow easy forgive father heaven forgives remember firmly beieve cling face face finally perfected forward rr bb robert pomeroy rr bb keele bb draw attention mail direct read news offended article forgiveness advance 
hell black sabbath organization motorola development lines article salaris purdue rrabbits wrote jeff fenholt claims roadie black sabbath musician band louis months back poster christian bookstore frequent turned addressed homosexuals prostitutes drug addicts alcoholics headbangers showed long hair black leather jacket felt judged jeff fenholt speak find judgemental wording inappropriate headbangers program headbangers class alcholics condescending jeff wearing black fenholt played jesus jesus christ superstar personally headbanger times hard time secular metal groups promote free drugs opinion promote thing found good christian metal groups ogden jono rtsg motorola cellular advanced products division voice data drew circle shut heretic rebel thing flout love drew circle 
losing temper christian trait organization motorola development lines article wrote remind people withering tree jesus driving money changers temple instances christ showing anger part human side paul angry wrath ephesians angry sinning ogden jono rtsg motorola cellular advanced products division voice data drew circle shut heretic rebel thing flout love drew circle 
harrassed work prayers organization dept diego lines email apply people post working company years engineering jobs female yesterday counted realized occasions sexually harrassed company dreaded coming back work today boss kind question boss person bring problems action higher higher sexual harrassment tolerated enormous emotional support discuss feel discuss boss company personnel department work preserving privacy companies deal problem constant anxiety affect effectively employees jobs unclear letter inconceivable management remains ignorant employee problems strife years miracle notice manager bring attention higher company ignore entire problem state agency fight check lawyer women resource center find discuss paster priest husband judgemental supportive comforting bring healing returned find single person left lunch left bothered call building number posted people honest gross insensitivity feelings people offices tend insensitive working hustle stress happen realize broken back tend make stop angry make laugh boss paying lunch reason hope good moderator latest indulgence turn computer support signs computer closing hateful actions single person harm playground bully enjoy hurt accept opinions imbecile worthless wiser people hold great esteem darin johnson djohnson luxury make bytes swap 
christians church members reply gchin organization microsystems lines years christians local church members local church issue personal important bible encourage friends regard issue gary chin staff engineer microsystems view gchin 
hell organization engineering management institute flint lines tbrent purdue timothy brent writes stated atheist existance creator assume christian recent discussion atheists hell combined post group effect hell interested consensus judge catholic told buddhist heaven people atheists pagans assume lumped category hellbound judge opinions disclaimer reserves judge individual cases loving able serve justice worry athiest heaven hell judge concerned worry abput refuse satisfy gods decrees keeping straight wrong discuss explore making summary judgement people free choose force choices inform choices care rest justice mohammad khan khan july send mail mkhan 
bible unsuitable christians organization engineering management institute flint lines news writes true read peter peter warns scriptures hard understand learned subject insparations miracles reader bible time life drifted faith books exposed moore mohammad khan khan july send mail mkhan 
organization university westminster lines commited christian battling problem romans talks saved faith deeds hebrews james faith deeds useless fools believing stuff deleted opinion saved faith taught romans square mind teachings james conjunction lukewarm christian spat bothers received tons mail people replying article wrote time give hand helped affirmed alot theories held unsure bless dallas cowboys world champions 
work organization university western australia lines desiree bradley desiree bradley wrote sunday sermon joshua israelites jericho proceed massacre rahab sheltered spies reports bosnia mind felt uncomfortable minister massacre joshua bothered taking christianity troubled reports ethnic cleansing bosnia sympathies moslims bosnian muslims descendants christians turkish rule converted islam serbs work ethnic cleansing loving killing killing reflect attitude sends rain unjust christians uncomfortable jesus gave followers love follow exhibiting disciples doctrinal political correctness standard christians moved serbs ancestors converted christianity islam christian troubled ethnic cleansing peace scott shalkowski scott 
national prayer reply gchin organization microsystems lines annual time prayer organized focus family organization heard christian radio station local church call able give information cities francisco area local coordinators organizing time place meet pray francisco oakland berkeley jose people meeting city city hall year attended mountain view city hall quiet meaningful time prayer gary chin staff engineer microsystems view gchin 
hell black sabbath organization unorganized usenet postings uninc lines jprzybyl writes wrong jeff fenholt part black sabbath major brother christ totally changed life ozzy osbourne singer main character black sabbath good days past devout catholic heard rock roll metal newsgroups figure folks oughta disclaimer great young insane 
arrogance christians organization interactive development environmenmts lines follow blindly asked physically blind person answer simple blind person trust senses hear truth faith saved force truth loves share defies created love world learned differentiate illusion reality rely doctrines updated experience christianity years christians seek answers clergymen direct experience spiritual matters questions answered simple introspection people suspect trust senses step figure trust esoteric religions christianity included founded intuitive people understand stuff deleted convert choose follow follow christians share love received reject accept decision offer open find suggest praying faith reading bible christians experiences personally original poster pixie converted make sense majority humanity matter hell eternity christians makes sense converted centuries doctrine holds life simply continue decide christians relying clergy reason hope protestants emphasize conversion experience holy spirit bible intended make christians religious experience basis judge claims clergy christians speak catholics orthodox attempt avoid members simply repeat told admit successful young people join church parents expect members able make judgements commitment experience nature usenet doctrinal disagreements emphasized spend time dealing doctrine experience christians live 
daily verse organization purdue university computing center lines article petch chuck petch writes wisdom gold choose understanding silver proverbs amen chuck sharing serve masters money preciousness lord savior valuable millionaire scott 
questions christian reply ncramer organization interzone office lines responds query reference works commentary introduction books intended undergraduate bible courses give historical background discussion literary styles generally good bibligraphies reading typically recommend froehlich young introduction intros introduction mmel translation strandard text references slightly dated style dense book wealth information perrin duling intro good modern mmel densely packed authors tend books historical order composition perspective development good volume commentaries recommendation days harper bible commentary slight dissent harper great problem pretty skimpy bibliographic material feeling quick real study depth copy office work couple books title book exact title james mays general editor harper recall older series harper commentaries separate harper bible dictionary comments apply favorite volume commentary jerome biblical commentary njbc catholic focus biased reader decide pluses minuses case scholarship large excellent note njbc completely reworked updated version jerome biblical commentary copies found sale nichael 
shaped hole accepting jeesus heart organization computer science department stanford university lines article johnsd johnson writes empty spot shaped hole hearts ease pain heard claim times shaped hole business pascal descartes figure speech vague recollections reading essays todd smith tsmith stanford 
block prayers organization cluster computer centre trobe university lines article queensu writes heard interesting notion block prayers hear prayers confessed sins totally supportive confessing sins simply shut confess kind idea suffering caused reader realize simpilistic rest deleted father possibly hear words children hears prayers sinner saint questions real question block hearing answer answer question resounding paraphrase gospel called choose listen prayer christ james james hale lincoln school health sciences computing unit trobe university bundoora australia james hale grace rests gently forgiving eyes speaks beholder evil world fear text 
daily verse organization grass valley group grass valley lines love deeply love covers multitude sins ipeter 
arrogance christians organization monash university melbourne australia lines article carleton mark baker writes good reasonable statements authority deleted atheist position authorities reasonable assertion leads practical difficulty reject authority hand reject possibility receiving information atheist position possibly change falsifiable unscintific true athiest position proof existence people accept church priests straight scriptures proof satisfy atheists atheists recognisable authorities dogmatic claim prove time dispute churches priests scriptures represent true authorities truth demand scintific rational proof existence deny existence science reason nature prove blindly deny part makes question exist awareness reason ability reason ignorant animals earth science reason prove faith faith picture hinduism valid christianity mark baker task jungles carleton irrigate deserts lewis lowe department physics monash university melbourne victoria australia 
ancient books organization university kansas academic computing services lines article mayne scri bill mayne writes article miner ukans writes atheists converted argument excellent question anxious cases doubt medieval period cent aquinas flourished argument tool knew rules today count people knowing basics logic rhetoric good argument indistinguishable poor sentence ironic readers religion christian embarrassed apologists josh mcdowell lewis discussion people feel lewis excellent apologist reason embarrassment errors flawed arguments reason dismissing thinker dismiss thinker descartes kant philosophy introduce weaknesses expresses sense history makes masses aquinas illiterate knew rhetoric logic people today writings period elevated cream crop speak read write medieval period knew rules matter uncritically accepting told masses comparing masses aquinas read ortega gasset talking familiar experience arguing night winning logic evidence discover opponent unaware intuitively things entailment pragmatics assuming parties college graduates bother miner ukans explain opinions chesterton 
questions christian organization washington university lines steven hoskins udel wrote newsgroup fairly christianity realize ignorant bible possibly christians hold true rectify reading bible helpful read good interpretation commentary bible relevant aspects christian faith questions recommend good reading list theological works intended person recommend mcdowell evidence demands verdict books manfred brauch hard sayings paul hard sayings jesus focus christian struggle faith encouraged historical evidence background emphasizes knowable faith scott dittman email sdittman university registrar talk washington university snail mail lexington virginia 
people married eyes organization programs university georgia athens lines article randerso sahs robert anderson writes opinions engaged couple married eyes unwilling public marriage ceremony distinguish real logistical problems stranded desert island excuses waiting brother back army ceremony michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio 
proof resurection organization world public access unix brookline lines jsledd upenn james sledd writes finally proof resurrection christ spirits communion father matter faith belief logical proof incedently largest stumbling blocks rational western included hope spirit intended rejection resurrection occurance beleive wanted point weakness logical proofs terms loaded logical proof extremely messy thing apply real life construct proof yesterday happened reading remembers happened proof proof starts axioms axioms talk logical proof remember yesterday axiom remember happened counterclaim hallucinated thing talk proofs historical events relax terms show evidences proofs evidences resurrected jesus exist proofs christianity flames resurrection disproved happen evidence resurrection good things fair claim resurrection faith reasons appeal mind 
questions christian lines reply pwhite article udel steven hoskins writes question affiliated congregation matters taste criteria choosing church difference protestant denominations america people tend choosing church choosing country club culture tend satisfying things mind making prayer initial primary part decision process people tend treat church club liking scripture presents idea takes perspective church choosing process subscribe idea choosing church places body question choose church figure place person instrumental leading christ church logical choice born family people church church natural family family lord speak easily identifiable church starters orphan prayerfully leave doorsteps anyplace feels home expect place church difficulty fitting people hand perfect churches attitude problems find make hand attitude love committment spread general place church talks lord expanding base peter white disclaimer written necessarily reflects view company phil christ power resurrection fellowship sharing sufferings death 
love organization fnal lines article jayne guild jayne kulikauskas writes uncomfortable tract general innappropriate emphasis hell deserves love worship idea frightening people accepting christ jayne read gospels topics jesus spoke hell figures large time heaven paul learn thess taught believers churches eschatology hesitate teach hell damnation chapter specific allegorized word throne times unbelieving receive assignment severity judgement john read judged speaks mouth shut recourse excuse defense evangelism combining living shows love putting words explaining love preaching gospel living gospel noisy gong clanging cymbal agree life pendulum swings extremes stopping moderation extreme hell fire brimstone preacher extreme hell talked fear offending someones sensibilities forget founded word life ministries remember telling story small town hardware store point telling satan hell believed heaven point asked pray send children hell point made people hell place faith exist prayed prayer hell exist fear prayer answered walk illustration include watch basketball bulls game blatant foul called make call unfair life righteousness demands payment surgeon takes knife hand cancer cuts creation preach gospel richness includes fact reject truth life broad distruction question christians afraid hell responding love fall repentance turning turning jesus ministry surely love truth assuredly thought writing topic good reasons existence eternality light love love boundary holiness dignity robot responsible creature responsible accountable awfulness today poor poor concept christ offer avenue whosoever 
major views trinity organization youngstown state youngstown free lines frank permission added information case changed order contributions order clarify historical relationship views comments based primarily william rusch historical summary trinitarian controversy fortress save major views trinity century writers cent important context discussions justin martyr aristides athenagoras tatian theophilus antioch apologists theology logos theology based strongly wording john phase approach eternity logos father mind thought immanent word expressed revealed history ultimately jesus jesus full distinction father visible history logos present eternity rusch view emphases final orthodox position form sophisticated technical language properly deal eternal plurality godhead irenaeus held views similar apologists uncomfortable stage approach viewed personage distinctions fully visible process revelation economy distinctions present essential nature irenaeus emphasized holy spirit apologists irenaeus views called economic trinitarianism term refer developments century dynamic monarchianism source theodotus adherents paul samosota artemon socinus modern unitarians perception essence unity denotes oneness nature oneness person holy spirit consubstantial father divine essence impersonal attributes divine dunamis jesus strict sense word perception subsistence notion subsistent palpable impossibility perfect unity perfectly indivisible diversity apparent real christ event work holy spirit attest dynamic operation hypostatic union asignation deity eternality father unique originator universe eternal existent beginning virtuous finite life dynamically present unique christ deity humanity deified holy spirit impersonal attribute godhead deity eternality ascribed holy spirit criticism elevates reason witness biblical revelation trinity categorically denies deity christ holy spirit undermining theological undergirding biblical doctrine salvation summary thought trinitarianism undifferentiated holy spirit simply names jesus grace active church modalistic monarchianism source praxeas adherents noatus sabellius swedenborg scleiermacher united pentecostals jesus perception essence unity ultra simplex qualitatively characterized essence nature person essence designated interchangeably father holy spirit names identical unified simplex names modes reveals perception subsistence concept subsistent erroneous confounds real issue phenomenon modalistic manifesting paradox subsisting oneness refuted recognizing persons person names roles parts drama asignation deity eternality father fully fully eternal primal mode manifestation unique unitary full deity eternality ascribed sense mode identical essence manifested temporal sequence specific role incarnation holy spirit eternal tile designates phase temporal sequence manifested pursuant role regeneration sanctification criticism depersonalizes godhead compensate trinitarian deficiencies view propounds ideas heretical concept successive manifestations godhead account simultaneous appearances persons christ baptism rusch comments evidence beliefs sketchy slightly groups included noetus followers sabellius noetus apparently extreme sabellius attempted features economic trinitarianism create sophisticated view information sabellius century confusion marcellus ancyra moved description century views originally appeared economic trinitarianism source hippolytus tertullian adherents economic trinitarians perception essence godhead characterized triunity father holy spirit manifestations identical indivisible substance perfect unity consubstantiality comprehended manifest triadic deeds creation redemption perception subsistence subsistence godhead articulated means terms distinction distribution dispelling effectively notion separateness division asignation deity eternality equal deity father holy spirit elucidated observation simultaneous relational operational features godhead eternality times intelligibly surface ambiguous view logical implication criticism tentative ambiguous treatment relational aspect trinity note development apologists irenaeus mentioned threeness visible primarily ways revealed history manifestation plurality present godhead beginning tertullian talks father holy spirit substance people regard view essentially orthodox developed philosophical categories origen developing approach started clement attempted apply platonism christian thought terms coming battle platonic fashion sees mediator mediating absolute plurality creating beings generated eternally generated relationship father eternal phrase haunt discussion centuries intrinsic concept father separate hypostases meaning separate subsistence contexts union love action reason term homoousios substance holy spirit active personal substance originated father origen intent trinitarian tritheistic pushes things direction separateness fourth century subordinationism called arianism source arius major adherents modern jehovah witnesses lesser cults perception essence inherent oneness nature properly identifiable father holy spirit discreet entities share divine essence perception subsistence unipersonal essence precludes concept divine subsistence godhead threeness oneness contradictory violates biblical principles monotheistic asignation deity eternality father unbegotten eternal beginning created eternal venerated divine essence holy spirit nonpersonal noneternal emanation father viewed influence expression deity ascribed criticism variance abundant scriptural testimony respecting deity christ holy spirit hierarchial concept likewise asserts essentially separate persons regard father christ holy spirit results totally confused soteriology note versions view fully human supernatural sinless distinguishes view adoptionism orthodox trinitarianism source athanasius adherents basil gregory nyssa gregory nazianzus augustine thomas aquinas luther calvin contemporary orthodox christianity perception essence perfectly unified simplex essence essence deity held common father holy spirit persons consubstantial coinherent equal eternal perception subsistence divine subsistence occur modes hypostases godhead exists undivided divided persons view contemplates identity nature cooperation function denial distinctions persons godhead asignation deity eternality final distillation view unhesitatingly sets father holy spirit equal eternal godhead regard divine essence function criticism shortcoming limitations inherent human language thought impossibility totally describing ineffable mystery oneness cent approaches description regarded orthodox detail nicea originally held respond arius arius thought carrying origen thought point making separate entity general east tended approach based origen hard acceptance nicea east final acceptance based work athanasius cappadocians gregory nyssa gregory nazianzus starting show unity nature action single allowed council constantinople wide agreement idea hypostatese ousia adapted charts christian theology doctrine wayne house frank wished contend answer time thousand 
love europe organization brunel university uxbridge lines readers love europe congress germany july michael davis 
work lines desiree bradley desiree bradley asked serbs work bosnia refrained posting hope familiar answer point feel things posting bother slightest suggestion christians force propagate gospel idea concerned death moslems violates heart gospel christ died break distinctions greek slave free male female moslems preach kill attack states religions christians attacked towns attack places christians moslems living peacefully precedents suggested fact things alluded entry canaan parallel promised land prophet holy tight constraints behavior attacks violations israelites defeated rape tolerated accounts joshua emphasize towns totally destroyed note town make peace israelites deception involved expected honor contrast violations agreement incident evidence granted bosnia serbs promised land behavior disqualified holy parallel israel defeated assyria babylonia prophets judgement israel sins asks judgement bosnians sins sounds replay claim doctors hospitals illness judgement things good includes actions people justify read prophets find clear attacking israel assyrians babylonians acting unintentional agents intent attack people judged fact carrying plan excuse action conclude attacks judgements explicitly interpreted case prophets send prophets bosnia find hard good current fighting eventually make good justify save people judgement concerned implications issue current tensions west moslem oriented nations moslems conclude christians kill moslems implications east relations american moslems 
daily verse organization grass valley group grass valley lines faith deeds show faith deeds show faith james 
organization silicon graphics lines christian friends joel sister birthday tomorrow fire lord reason cold associate anymore christian friends thought sending postcard card message encouragement hand written address hobart jose bless jesus christ lord qualms postings engage conversation joel deluging expect cards 
hell black sabbath organization fnal lines article salaris purdue rrabbits writes lyrics approached judgemental pharisitical evangelical fundamentalists throw bible long hair wear black leather jacket listen black sabbath throw back show important evils world battle rock lyrics show evangelical fundamentalists pharisitical wear black leather jacket classic rock longer long locks rely bible basis christian ethics fundamentalistic evangelical 
organization motorola development lines commited christian battling problem romans talks saved faith deeds hebrews james faith deeds useless fools believing stuff deleted opinion saved faith taught romans square mind teachings james conjunction lukewarm christian spat bothers discussion make case grace saved faith gift works boast ephesians grace faith saved saved love commandments john keeping christ commandments work demonstration love spake parable tree planted vineyard sought fruit thereon found dresser vineyard behold years seeking fruit tree find cumbereth ground answering lord year till dung bear fruit thou shalt luke chosen chosen ordained bring fruit fruit remain whatsoever father give john clear verses called bring fruit fruit paul speaks fruit spirit love peace patience things manifest actions carry person claims jesus christ things christ commanded dare faith important faith works blade pair scissors important pants important good works result faith faith true faith christ requires commands parable speaks allegorically person bear fruit christs commands actions actions produce fruit uprooted tree dead useless faith action actions prove faith show genuineness talk days fact faith ability jump building ground words long faith ability faith jump roof test words talk give scriptures people sufficient hope helped file broken 
messiahs reply parkin organization microsystems mountain view lines article rutgers desiree bradley desiree bradley writes missed postings waco david koresh coming coming real thing person claiming insane fruits messiah build kingdom heaven earth reveal root original fallen nature provide means connection original create world peace based godism messiah teachings build foundation bible provide profound insights nature fall purpose creation providence restoration provide foundation unity world religions christians expect jesus literal clouds miss returns jewish people missed jesus years waiting coming jewish people expected elijah jesus john baptist elijah john baptist denied elijah reflect jesus prison john questioned jesus book matthew david koresh coming christ breaks word coming koresh promise compound allowed give radio broadcast didn fool people david koresh close problem people make difficult people trust real messiah show meagre knowledge bible christians hard jews christ cautious accepting religious authorities accept messiah surprised discussed difficulty wanting early recognize coming time wanting credulously believing claims good point important point christians recognize coming messiah claim sets messiah born original born perfect achieves perfection period growth adam born sinless fell tragedy meant thousands years create kingdom heaven earth originally intended restoration providence complete messiah true representative earth mark christ mark coming clouds great power glory understanding jesus answer unlike coming veiled coming unmistakeable koresh public statement clear claiming christ world claiming messiah mike 
witches wiccan opinion organization university wisconsin claire lines student claire paper witches wanted point view specifically answer question christian offended witches wiccan feel tehy pagan evil sense word time cooperation appreciated survey conducted partial fulfillment requirements engl taught karen welch university wisconsin claire compliance certification requirements university institutional review board protection human subjects compliance reasonable method choosing samples 
assurance hell organization fnal lines article lfoard virginia lawrence foard writes mailed reply letters atheist doctrine hell preacher fear ignorant created hell place save paradoxical died fact thing remotely infinite century concepts interprete century writers termonology cease exist death means scriptures study word signifies separation death separation ceastation reason agony cross time eternity member godhead separated young lady beautiful model lived personable saint imagined girlfriend years drafted separated distance form death decided wait home adue death separation made death separation eternal death eternal separation fellowship chose send outer darkness chose jesus talked hell heaven info respect diminished tenfold promise wise loving rebelled earthly father spanked found wisdom grown older children guide hurt enter life continued suicidal love interpreted harsh unloving warns impending danger love choose rules harsh conscience matter calused fallen witnesses thing wrong fear jesus allegedly doubt honestly feel pinpricks dealt give light error understanding correct knowledge order correct faith faith knowledge inseparable jesus felt pinpricks life scripture high priest sympathize weaknesses tempted things kenosis passage phil states gave godhead attributes humanity favorite meditation mine thesis consciousness christ talked length great people interesting study including conclussion jesus member trinity suffered part human race experienced grew knowledge chose grasp omniscience chose taught understanding spirit extent hard distinquish jesus jesus adulterous women thrown tenses clear situation surprise aware event place time living sequential history time discuss lengthy discussion curcuit breakers brain info friends starting freethinkers organization info provided organization intro duction member club free thinker glorious ideal contrast believer unforunate repository dogmatic inhibited reactionary repressive find stance amusing absurd liberal humanist wishes criticize christian buddhist marxist pretend solely rational doubt fact faith acknowledge rational doubt free thinker criticize christian equally rational doubt christian criticize humanist faith dout faith choose cast doubt faith pascal pointed sceptical arguments positive positive speak dubiously scepticism fact skeptics skeptical skepticism evidence doubt person skeptical faith faiths devoted adherent fact measure poverty unaware define negative terms term theist people claim argue vociferously complete skepticism campus ministry times care remember disproved argument thought word point logic moment shared communication speaks total skepticism insistence make sense eloquent testimony assumptions powerful silent complete skepticism impossible limited skepticism arbitrary time room skeptics yell undone person chooses skeptical believes skepticism stress belabor obvious underlines point exhaustively pure objectivism myth complete skepticism impossiblity answer impasse lies knowing based presuppositions knowledge proceeds presupposed proved cover blown pretentions critical doubt critical doubt depends idea human knowledge totally objective neutral words myth presuppositions friend impossible doubt doubt assumptions presuppostions criticezed basis assumptions presuppostitons silent partners thought silence mistaken absence condemns honest unworthy worship burn hell serve tyrant heaven original statement milton coined millenia highlander movie presuption based faulty knowledge character operating presuppositional premise humanistic theology revealed history prophets word lastly reject annointed savior reject correct understanding 
arrogance christians organization university south africa lines article monash writes geologists wrong people warning existent danger analogies push argument sides melinda assume premises respective analogies true correct conclusion arise important point note directions sides christians truth duty truth christians offended evidently truth christians truth offended christians claim truth analogy depend premisses true question discussion truth arrogance similar analogy medical doctor believes blood transfusion save life child parents jehovah witnesses conscientious objections blood transfusion doctor efforts persuade agree blood transfusion perceived arrogant precisely christians perceived arrogant truth belief blood transfusion save life child irrelevant matters doctor believes true foce beliefs parents perceived arrogance steve hayes department missiology editorial department univ south africa pretoria south africa internet hayesstw unisa fidonet steve hayes fidonet missiology study christian mission part faculty theology unisa 
lines dlecoint acns darius lecointe writes find interesting answered questions posed make statements make shudder established tiered rules jews people saved gentiles people discriminate accepts jesus live gentile rules rules people paul fact repeatedly faith establishes annuls paul point germane jews greeks instrument salvation combine ceremonial moral laws matt christ plainly jews benefit christ politician speaking sides mouth paul learned christ forget theology jesus excuses hold court earth judgement hall pardon confused beginning paragraph rules people paragraph declare combine ceremonial moral laws understand bible find declaration laws ceremonial moral unclear sets laws place sets laws ceremonial moral vice versa interested comments passage paul teaches rules covering head praying depending woman apostles prescribe sets rules women jews gentiles paul opposed circumcising gentiles voluntarily circumcise timothy mark 
sabbath admissions organization duck pond public unix guest lines article writes christian pauline paul correct words jesus doubt mind case jesus deal explicitly question binding gentiles dissolves smallest commands teaches lowest kingdom skies commands teaches great kingdom skies gaus assume jesus words apply jews apply human beings irregardless race assume jesus mention jesus talking directly cite evidence jesus dealt centurion general jewish views dependent largely studies pauline theology schoeps author moment authors jews christian christian jews discussed issue newsgroups clear valid applies gentiles applies specific requirement worship sabbath commandments ceremonial detail obligations gentiles remember sabbath holy days labor work seventh sabbath lord work daughter male female slave cattle stranger settlements days lord made heaven earth rested seventh lord blessed sabbath hollowed note specific requirement worship bold call verses ceremonial detail similarly circumcision christians practice circumcision subject unfortunate jesus answer question directly unfortunate jesus directly jesus cent jewish approach jesus dealt gentile jesus disciples dealt issue acute referring acts paul agreement problem problem paul closes romans gaus short pursue ends peace building dietary considerations undo work clean evil person eats offensive spirit meat drink wine brother offended faith person luck condemn samples hand person doubts eats guilty acting faith failure faith christians specific jewish christian groups sabbatarians small groups practice circumcision religious grounds countries supposed health reasons heard argued biblical commandment 
arrogance christians organization case western reserve univ cleveland ohio lines article caralv auto trol carol alvin writes eeap cwru virgilio dean velasco writes hold scripture true discerning jesus paul company easy paul women behave circumstances time women speaking avoid volubility cover heads maintaining proper witness remember number relativistic statements derived absolutes instance absolutely christians strive peace rule maintain world peace resorting violence occasion opinion agree truth scripture principles learned claiming truth absolute imply literal reading bible absolute truth constant time culture interpretation strongly disagree absolute truth require interpretation truth absolute obvious things truth subject misinterpretation strongly suspect reaching impasse deign commenting bible preaches absolute truths truths matter confusion bible preach absolute truths fundamental principles crystal clear evangelicals arrogance play principles crystal clear evangelicals rest word crystal clear fundamental principles fundamental principles hold christians arrogant christians stressed trap christians wary absolutes established bible necessarily arrogant christian word absolute expect immediately evident position bible absolute truth prone error interpretation reliably determine figured truth stance reliably determine true fallible human beings discern truth certainty distinction subtle important scientist performs experiment claim results reliable claiming absolutely mistake whatsoever made words admit mistaken sacrificing convictions establish absolute truth certainty centuries philosophers argued complete certainty descartes made step direction uttered cogito ergo advanced people exist computer terminal exists absolutely grand illusion assurance practical purposes exist christianity mature christians deep convictions absolute morality acknowledge probability wrong abandon absolutes point spending time claiming defending absolute truth truths shouldn practical difference make absolutely correct light evidence render doubts unreasonable virgilio dean velasco department electrical applied physics cwru graduate student roboticist training wannabee bullwinkle intimidating referee boss jewish carpenter 
questioning authority lines trendy liberal feminist tendencies fact basically agree rebut nancy sweetie writes chris mussack writes people insist question authority authorities people evil things people follow orders tortured killed large numbers protest innocence basic question supposed true situation people follow impulses claim dangerous authority site sexually transmitted diseases drug abuse manner criminal activity savings loan scandal accidents eggs thrown house examples people authority easily argue evil examples gave problem leader authority wanted chain lies search authority starts telling things questions situations pressing shut hatch submarine filling water reasonable authority able give justification understand simple claiming pressing ambiguous recycle realize kids precocious tiring constant lack understanding tremendous knowledge impart listen authority answers ironic ending irony implying initial pithy retort bumper sticker cliche question authority questioning authority person telling question authority segment society finds meaning rebelling forsaking sake freedom question integrity fortitude freedom task correctly people levels development areas part challenge life find authorities follow learning skill subject follow teacher blindly learned questions question developed skills challenge stages told question authority shouldn chris mussack good comedian explain jokes 
arrogance christians organization indiana university lines read carol response verses subject interpretation peter timothy galatians based fact jesus word incarnate judges people follow acts john reject jesus teachings judged words spoke john jesus words true interpretation judge based word interpreted fisher 
cell church discussion group organization indiana university lines article reid uiuc reid writes beginning mail discussion group cell churches define cell church missed past brought fisher 
religious wars organization research cleveland lines article fraseraj glasgow andrew fraser writes religion caused wars bothers find satisfactory response religion peace love religious wars question asked group dealing economics answer economic observations past years withstanding history reading religious differences play part conflicts race economics items identify group couch conflict christian terms christ died sins sinners individuals assume christlike natures close realize ways trite answer guess rationalizing constant conflict jerry kemp somtime consultant internet kempja kemp dnet 
prayers advice requested family problem organization indiana university lines julie situation brother living things left considerably shorter amount time problems relationship thing room optimally room breakable lock door throw underneath door longest hand reach conclusion imagine hash things screaming crying possibly hitting decided bring rope people strategies keeping things calmer include individual statements feel relationship hurting involved understand coming reinforce statements paraphrasing reason accuse fault happened find common ground lampshades decorational functional time guaranteed situation gunnysacking hashing topics assumed resolved feels blame minimum simply forgiveness apologize situation holding smoldering grudge relationship work matter keeping things smooth sort making peace treaty warring factions give side compromise breaks communication involved continue relationships survive fisher 
eliz prophet organization rice university lines article writes butera asks book called lost years jesus elizabeth clare prophet marriage remember aright base teachings messages allegedly received telepathy tibet surprised book mention scholarly basis book titles books personally engaged bizarre form christian mysticism heavily influenced eastern philosphies great titles astrology horsemen chapter original biased book basically collection previously published works claim exist buddhist hindu stories christ visited india china issa period late teens conclusion book lets view presenting summary published works letters verify independently includes refutations works theologically warped book nice reference summary interested butera grad student sick music makes money today rice university houston nietzsche 
atheist views christianity accepting jeesus heart organization university oulu finland lines collectively people good answers questions follow jason smith posting address issues caused misunderstanding jason smith jasons wrote article kempmp oulu petri pihko writes concede doubly remiss asserted reasonable alternative exists subjective statement part invalidated time discovery scientist understand proving theory necessarily happened proposes description phenomena question mistaken understanding degree excellent discussion skeptic nature scientific work weeks hope escape notice correct word models theories absolutely correct theories backed evidence proved theory true mathematical sense theories mere descriptions rationalisations phenomena extremely important test theories predict observed successful theories science passed test including bang theory cosmic evolution theory natural selection correct mere fits data claim answer universe spacetime emerge science good candidates answer require christians readily admit faith science requires good theory evidence theory made successful predictions reason disbelievers punished fact candidates belies conclusive conclusive evidence left faith puzzles faith fellow atheists call weak atheist unable fails entertain belief luther makes clear letter erasmus afraid change situation couple paragraphs deleted summary universe exist question split parts existence exists universe emerge deletions question exists countered demanding answer question nothingness existence questions turn devoid meaning things exist things exist exist tautology carefully examine original question counter question asks request definition true dichotomy exists exists exists exists existing give answer imagine moment nobodies existence exists equivalent counter question exists nothingness exists equivalent exists somethingness meant tautology apologies poor wording previous post worldview things exist things grounded realm falsifiable theist belief based assumption reason ultimately supportable position reason foundation exists soil claims reason reason existence general reasons stated leave open question theistic explanations science give reasons human existence reason deep philosophical question determinism true deterministic tend question meaning case reason failed perspective exist random reasons rolled dice reason existence satisfactory answer satisfied doctor search beginning satisfied reason find years christianity respect admit patient answer source existence sounds tempted exist source existence terms human time existed source existence preclude existence seeks identify qualities implying exists qualities doesn existing exists answer question knowable obstacle belief existence discovered science inadequate tool answer appears pihko agrees tool inadequate answer question preclude question asserting invalid question provide answer impossible unknowable things question exist invalid question perspective impossible explanation found deluding apologies existence existence spacetime spacetime existence oxymoron time spacetime universe perspective universe exists inside admission science fails answer answered realm modern science make question invalid validity question discussed separately philosophy great knowable pihko present good point individual christian base faith shaken production evidence shatters sacred cows seek understand discovery disagrees continues word good question answer numerous questions bothered finally found base faith honest asked petri petri pihko mathematics truth pihatie finou oulu physics rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistry game 
branch davidians info organization walla walla college lines article clitton bgsu writes clitton bgsu subject branch davidians info date information branch davidians send info chad litton dept bgsu bowling green mail clitton bgsu advance claim expert branch davidians branch davidian group koresh shoots group shephard shephard defunct broke church shephard broke church felt church weak falling apostacy felt remnant spoken revelation koresh group koresh gained control control made center proclaimed christ koresh background excommunicated young adult local congregation exert control youth church joined branch davidians survivalist cult stockpile weapons food bomb shelter intent raiding government preparing armaggedon putting defense position opinion left wouldn blood children crying ashes waco shephard visit local church talk older people give insight koresh theology tammy 
assurance hell organization georgia institute technology lines article lfoard virginia lawrence foard writes motivate fear worthy worship jesus spoke exist hell reason existence hell justice fear effect reality hell boundary catechist teneis pensar haya venido traer tierra venido traer sino guerra mateo vulgata latina 
atheists hell organization university central florida lines andrew byler writes mark schnitzius writes literal interpreters bible problem view bible talks fires hell found confusing nerve endings physical body flame hurt wail gnash teeth lungs teeth feel physical pain body doctrine resurrection body people great judgement resurrection dead life world nicene constantinopolitan creed body soul hell eventually interesting raised roman catholic atheist stated creed quote sunday reason resurrection statement resurrection soul guess resurrection strictly raising physical body questions point thought christians descent hell pretty people burning hell implying occur great judgement read meaning proverbial judgment confused point church clear soul exist time body created atoms body made built scratch physical body susceptible aging guess body radically order immortal tortured eternity physical body assume physical place exist hell center earth find mark schnitzius schnitzi univ central florida complete agreement details afterlife common view final disposition occur final judgement future meantime people sleep final resurrection time pass directly death future time resurrection occurs souls disembodied resurrection existence alternatives omitting body generally conceived implemented technology current mortal paul talks mortal raised immortality jesus resurrected body subject kind limitations assumed similarities people recognize people claim details atoms assume analog physical place expect find earth suspect dimension physical world details 
phone number wycliffe translators organization brunel university uxbridge lines poram mlsma wrote peter kingston years back struck exemplery dedicated christian main concern translation word welfare people group serving literature concerned providing scripture minority languages fact peter wycliffe member church fully endorse peter godly passion serving christ occasion specifically addressed issue cultural interference sermon experience allegations directed wycliffe find tape michael davis 
hell black sabbath organization skidmore college saratoga springs lines wrong jeff fenholt part black sabbath major brother christ totally changed life wife tours singing witnessing spreading gospel christ wrong black sabbath similar band group great love father lavished called children john grace peace someday jenny jprzybyl skidmore 
hearing sinners organization lauderdale lines article writes question hear prayers sinners distinguish hears prayers sinned make pointless prayers born centuries prayers impenitent sinner lord expect change life matter doubt hears prayers things things happen question grant wishes brutal shot reality similar wanted christmas expect world mark ashley disclaimer opinions harris marka harris lost angelino 
people married eyes organization university south africa lines article michael davis writes opinions engaged couple married eyes publically announced plans marry made vows unswervingly committed realize subjective qualifier married joined sight read scripture couple married physically married sexual intercourse years anglican synod discussing marriage canons debate constituted marriage bishop natal wife years died recently remarried announced consummated looked cream suppose agree steve hayes department missiology editorial department univ south africa pretoria south africa internet hayesstw unisa fidonet steve hayes fidonet missiology study christian mission part faculty theology unisa 
latest branch davidians reply aaron brandeis organization brandeis university lines article conditt arlut utexas paul conditt wrote people faith mere claim prophet pose question thinking distinguishes true religion cults speaking generally specifially christianity jerry falwell good morning america tuesday ostensibly answer question basically true religion message cult person christianity cult message christianity person jesus distinguishes branch davidian cult presbyterian church doctrinal differences answer question imho answer scott brandeis demonstrates lord bless love lord make face shine sinners gracious christ died lord lift countenance give peace romans nasb numbers nasb attempts characterize cult commonly characteristics involving high pressure brainwashing techniques people characterize doctrinal error afraid term precise meaning primarily dismiss groups worthy consideration groups highly irresponsible things doctrinal errors past discussions suggested cult helpful term 
proof resurection organization claremont graduate school lines article andrew shlrc andrew mcveigh writes bible message love people people redeemable preaches message repentance giving people deceitful hearts capable turning message contorting unbelievable ways fundamental christian doctrine andrew true long true alas true history bible message messages messages repentance giving turn cheek messages complete opposite isrealites order wipe tribes including women children cattle punished severely complete jews cried matthew blood heads childrens heads verse quoted pogrom crusades holocaust misunderstood understood essential christians grasp firmly good bible teaches meek carpenter nazareth potent symbol teachings heart ignore material bible liking live misread chose point interpretation declare normative legitmacy text critique text understanding good sacred corpus test things hold fast good line questioning presented strangely compatible christian christianity encourages question behaviour world christians praise jesus christ fact doubt beliefs back forgiven time time risk sounding heretical heretical doubt requires forgiveness requires introspection reflection salvation doubt inescapble part human friends doubt doubt doubted wisdom justice finally rebuked friends make sacrifices christian doubt honesty randy 
arrogance christians lines read carol response verses subject interpretation subject interpretation necesarily make interpretation texts peter timothy galatians peter prophecy scripture matter interpretation prophecy made human moved holy spirit spoke study notes bible offer meanings verse apparantly clear charles ryrie timothy scripture inspired profitable teaching reproof correction training righteousness adequate equipped good work galations brethren gospel preached received taught receieved revelation jesus christ read passages immediately clear phrase meant stop connotations words intent author translator correct english word convey meaning interpret interpreting scripture read change mind naive culture experiences education affect read based fact jesus word incarnate judges people follow acts john reject jesus teachings judged words spoke john jesus words true interpretation judge based word interpreted college entire biblical interpretation christian bookstore scores books interpreting understanding scripture interpretation unnecessary awful misguided christians wasting time energy carol alvin caralv trol 
iterations bible reply aaron brandeis organization brandeis university lines replies question multiplicity translations bible christians process copying manuscripts process translating free error true news group earlier year posted king james bible divinely inspired version bible english inerrant english translations satan deceive body christ years pastor church attending showed poster advertising availability address congregations prominantly poster fact idea english bible prevalent scott brandeis demonstrates lord bless love lord make face shine sinners gracious christ died lord lift countenance give peace romans nasb numbers nasb 
serbian genocide work organization freshman civil engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines andrew kille writes suggesting supports genocide germans punishing jews behalf works indescribably evil unworthy worship faith bible governments ordained romans foreknows happen difficult humans graps limited minds inevitablity sucess plan hard grasp governemnts evil evil cooperate understood wanted lead final sucess plan save souls hell short slaughter bosnia deplorable eyes deserts plenty examples killing people sins onan testmament annias spahira willed happen plan accomplished forget unbiblical nation execute judgement romans fulfill chorus blood hands crowd jersualem chaldea chastised babylon israel inturn persia nations punish nations bible shows testament remember words recorded daniel mene mene tekel peres babylon weighed balance scales justice found severly wanting persians punishment rebellion exammple extirmination cannanites ordered task israel cannanites chance found severly wanting great judge carried sentence accrodingly examples point clear things remembered times question ordered world divine wisdom made world eyes paul romans clay tlak back potter message jesus christ repent kingdom heaven hand jesus christ time dilly dallying dead bury dead follow infinite amount time christ passing calling people follow fishers alright call back week kingdom fits plans follow message sweety hurt time world divine judgement fairy tale great savior jesus christ titus righteous judge world defendants trial questioning sentences chastisement mercy andrew byler ways heart perceive judge works proverbs 
atheists hell organization intergraph corporation huntsville lines article trajan unomaha stephen mcintyre writes problem condemned hell punish honest skepticism exist changing nature spend eternity hell heaven knowing spend eternal life scorched wrongdoings irony jesus torture free definite promise hell based adam fall grace stand place give redemption stand accept grace hell burden choice fictional reject sociology professor told beginning term start term beginning adam mark haefner 
cell church discussion group organization indiana university lines definition cell church group indianapolis week attendance fisher 
christians church members organization indiana university lines notes church helpful ideas choose church colossians jesus head body church jesus church ephesians church family church based word cornerstone christ foundation apostles testament prophets testament revelation corinthians baptism member church question denominations bible teaches church ephesians romans corinthians corinthians divisions church personalities church time writings churches today problem timothy people turn truth find church teaches doctrine suits lifestyle hebrews miss church purpose encourage remain faithful involved relationship level church services verse helpful hebrews church encouraging daily duty standards apply timothy people church watching lives doctrines make live word disciples acts pastor close apostle paul natural conclusion apostle paul talked jesus directly face face bereans considered noble paul word checked scripture verify statements church members verify pastor statements verifiable valid light verses group avoided church made wonderful suggestion waco group light matthew fisher 
people married eyes reply noye uchicago organization university chicago lines question related jesus condemns divorce times testament hard time catholic church grant annulments statement marriage existed eyes mistinterpreting correct witnessed marriages people love recognized destroying staying marriage problems personal childhood issues resolved divorce justified case knew deeply love work admit jesus forcing live condemning seek happiness opinions vera clock bind today vera noyes religion strong noye uchicago trinity disclaimer lard patrick breastplate disclaim commonly discussed question long asked expect range answers catholics divorce justified situations abused separation allowed traditions forced stay situation danger resort situations fallen badly hope choose lesser evils sense difficult legal question turns divorce remarriage jesus statement mark things turns approach bible conservative protestants tend statements exceptions liberal make allowances situations literal interpretation lead painful results noted time divorce wife whim common explanation liberal approach jesus protect people sort thing establish absolute rule exceptions catholics typical catholic ethics theoretical hard line exceptions practice process anullment discussion catholic readers accept reluctance cases good alternative feeling church helping people prepare marriage deal problems properly church divorce 
knowing organization uwcc lines bible relations christians christians bible relations christian nations relations christian nations nations christians question concept religion bible religion include necessitate extracted bible religion belief government sides government nation wrongdoings bible treated statement bible bible guide aspects life beytullah 
harrassed work prayers reply noye uchicago organization university chicago lines repeat emphasize make feel horrible worthless feel easier remember made loves special excuse trite language bully reason intentional mental torture harassed talking emailed reactions fast post responding include address courage remember rooting care vera hand hand noye uchicago vera noyes hand hand strength common touch drop line mood rush hand fist 
hell reply noye uchicago organization university chicago lines article stoney smcm stanley toney writes muslims fear fater lies satan christ stan toney stoney smcm opinions borrow picked point struck muslims things christians jews jesus messiah prophet closer christianity religions tend liberal beliefs relates serbian ethnic cleansing question waiting condemnations stand watch innocent people people beliefs condemn case wrong things fundamenalist muslims women make blood boil tortured raped stories made physically killed jesus loves love back advocate kindness hopes converting killing subject title chest peace shalom vera shanti hand hand noye uchicago vera noyes hand hand strength common touch drop line mood rush hand fist worried issue made posting earlier today discuss moslem beliefs group beliefs jesus koran bible means honor stood differs ways christian beliefs moslem beliefs topic religion islam christians accept christ order saved stanley comment appears anti moslem assume thing religions christianity 
hell organization georgia institute technology lines article tbrent purdue timothy brent writes stated atheist christian recent discussion atheists hell combined post group effect hell interested consensus judge catholic told buddhist heaven people atheists pagans assume lumped category hellbound judge opinions dear catholic christian suppose means bible publicly state probability roman catholic public heretics good faith material heretics belong body church fundamentals catholic dogma ludwig lost belong spiritually church desire belong judge condition soul judgment hand paul urges christians judge fellow christians apostle teaching judge reconsider returning christian fold embrace abraham isaac jacob lives told believers catholic true posted vatican lumen gentium teaches fault gospel christ chruch seek sincere heart moved grace actions dictates conscience achieve eternal salvation responding solicitation opinions thinking processes refer scripture scripture sources learning stick boundary catechist teneis pensar haya venido traer tierra venido traer sino guerra mateo vulgata latina 
arrogance christians reply johnsd organization microsystems lines article rutgers gatech boundary writes dleonar bgsu pixie writes deletia sincerely exists follow blindly words question authority defy theist reply deletia formalities pass worth time intended resist personal weakness mine jerkius kneeus tragically incurable foundation faith reason existence proven existence proven reason indisputable short treatise traditional proofs existence summa theologica prove existance disputable showing people dispute easy dispute exists simple missed traditional proofs treatise proofs remember summa theologic ways poor stuff ontological argument billion times imho traditional proofs general failure traditional proofs thinking ontological argument cosmological argument teleological argument traditional funny names exists existence proven reason assert commands blindly fallen condition measure doubt faith real question discuss assume exists heavenly authority babble things mover matter independent thing requires existence measure perfect essential order universe logos show case familiar argument accept sake argument find premices questionable rest show includes assert good deny good contrary evil absence good contradict promise savior early protoevangelium genesis instructs human adam responsible alienation source good required restore friendship incarnate person messiah consistent humans renew relationship incarnate human granted made human nonetheless cheating intent statement problem caused fixing indirect means contradicts messiah claimed truth john claim true bound reason follow truth incarnate assume claim true claim truth bound reason follow problem authority united states marine corps hand excellent instructor authority undoubtably imply obey commands marines question imply marines similar respect explain missed privilege reply authority truth incarnate questioned blindly question truth irrational question discover wrong assert truth question truth assert truth question truth assertion good deny truth deny hope agree truth granted pretty damn silly needed agree true notice stormtroopers marched drag gulag heaven lighting bolts mysterious outages permited things absurd proverbial apple fell isaac newton head denied happened laws physics obeyed human likes true true newton derived true wildly inaccurate high speeds small distances laws physics works cases physics science questioning sort truth didn follow aristotle generalize learn question things wrong authority truth denied presupposing truth denied questioned truth denied questioned obeyed unquestioningly disobey annoying connected denial disobedience nickname johnson jeeze dull dull genesis opinions show 
jesus black lines subject incredibly inflammatory subscribe biblical archaeology review remember spectacular letter battle complained franklin mint great magazine contrast scholarly articles incredibly sleazy extreme hawking doll head based famous bust nefertiti giving face typical doll pink complexion letter complained misrepresentation grounds nefertiti beautiful black queen exchange hotheaded letters issues point article egyptologist titled cleopatra black answer title greek hear hysterical note complaining personally blond haired jesus national shrine wash found jarring western representations vary enourmously general image youngish male dark hair beard sort found modulo nose mediterranean remember correct black madonna represent person negroid features black accident buehler presence marble statues prone forget greeks black hair crosses bosporus situation breaks completely turks white persians groups indian subcontinent gandhi white arabs picture nassar sadat standing side side ethiopians white racist bent people white racist race risk potentially inflammatory remark undercurrent identification modern jews members oppressor race extreme dicotomy medieval religion hand medieval antisemitism jesus white thesis played roles hold representations jesus black korean fine serving insist jesus belongs racial group wingate peace peace strife closed mangoe brothers pray thing tove mangoe marv lous peace 
videotapes lines recent productions homosexuality decided interested videotaped copies agenda produced beeson group report john ankerberg recent series understanding homosexuality experiencing genuine change james kennedy special homosexuality aired week portion previous week program discussed agenda money copies copyrighted material illegal return postage desire trade watching march washington span fact generally repulsed watching found thing interest general david dinkins finished speaking remarked york city delegation consists people funny people period party scene night exaggerations sean patrick ryan fsspr alaska sean cojones oregon anchorage fnord abortion stops beating heart disclaimer inhale iditarod scoreboard women read flame sean ryan suppose interested hearing homosexual agenda homosexual christians portrayals homosexual agenda regarded akin understand fundamentalist christianity branch dividians evaluations groups claiming change homosexuals church presbyterian church looked issue conservative members committee concerned real long lasting interested reports police press number people participating today idea tomorrow 
hell organization twentieth century lines xopr corp gerald mcpherson writes reject claims jesus heaven joke reject hell joke final attitude terry pratchett religious philosophy blighter moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke clive retract foreskin misconception james trinity college dublin apply wire brush enlightenment geoffm brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza 
theists objectivity organization university nebraska omaha lines theist objective impartial questioning truth scriptures assume superstition parents questioning found case theist stick kind superstition wondering scriptures christian muslim theists alike assume mothers fathers aspect exists belief search occasionally theist switch religions aspects religion majority belief creator universe existence muslims christians vice versa christians jewish vice versa christians hindu transition faith belief form higher child brought time born theist brought notion truth kind scripture bible torah told wondrous wrote inspired scripture prophets talked scripture miracles performed told question children crime lose belief scrip ture truth damn soul hell time able read scripture belief truth ingrained mind matter stop child able read endeavor inculcate child readings scripture concentrate pleasant readings gloss worse explain unexplainable mystery circular arguments evdent facts truths unreasoning belief fear hell meat religion child doubt means wrath sort child learn brain matter concerns considerable effect child adult superstitions taught impossible remove leads theist objective questioning hell heaven angels souls rest moment notion exist unbiased point view theists presented mythical gods homeric roman egyptian assumption existence question impartially stephen atheist libertarian individuality responsibility jazz hominem attack basic kind statements matter brought atheists theists theists atheists surprising statistics hard possibly answer posting sort answer immediately assumed part brainwashing possibly show biased 
rise organization claremont graduate school lines article reedr claremont writes basic problem argument total complete reliance biblical text luke account highly suspect refer hermeneia commentary acts article hfsi john writes independent proof luke account valid find strange negation truth direct historical evidence mentioned back assertion made unequivocally christian sufferred faith believing resurrection luke account suggests absence direct eyewitnesses claim luke mistaken suggest unequivocal assertion suspect john problem peice response bothering connect parts repeatedly noted problematic historcity acts examine work john dominic crossan burton mack time examine recent developments biblical scholarship grasp original claim limited answer claim witnesses lying willign suffer beliefs show christian suffered believing resurrection issue witnessed agree posting responding shows liberal conservative dogmatism issue situation waco shows required people belief true surely david koresh spurrious arguement resurrection true people rest problem monologocentric resurrection deal thomas john degree things early christians worth dying belief idea mixed race community brought regional national boundaries koinonia people radical communties jonestown waco warsaw original point roman persecution persecution documented proof carpenter back dead claim unique abhorent roman greek mind point avoidance military civic duty emperor worship problematic resurrection nero christians human torches light dinner party risen savior supposedly involved incest cannablism argument christians martyred resurrection stand critical examination randy 
good electronic christian magazine organization university canterbury christchurch zealand lines subscribe leadership magazine disk paper disk save retyping illustrations word processor paste good christian magazines leadership disk media info gratitude james 
survey faith reason organization stanford university lines survey conducting term project philosophy class meant give interesting statistically hear kind voices full blown essays give read groups email responses shimpei stanford mail account infinite delete questions numbered answers write back start analyzing result answers april absolutely make liken hear answer interested final project send note effect answers april absolutely make hear answer interested final project send note effect include note survey response email late survey question trouble reconciling faith reason trouble unsure creationism evolutionism holds truth practice tarot cards palm readings divination conflicts scientific knowledge world religion require ignore physical realities makes logical sense basically believed reason tells wrong question conflict resolve conflict question trouble haven guidelines solving problems time shimpei yamashita stanford university email shimpei stanford kinds mathematicians count time year remember asked respond email 
education organization netcom lines article bruce bruce stephens writes fascinated evidence send article negative side suspect simplistic link abstinence education decreased pregnancy contraceptive education increased pregnancy false guess largest proportion liberal education western world highest teenage pregnancy rates correct guess wrong article terms group discussion wanted point liberal education head sand abstinence education liberal education drugs good abstinence education drugs proven effective kellett jkellett 
work organization engineering management institute flint lines hedrick rutgers writes distinctions greek slave free male female moslems preach kill muslim spelled moslem muslims strong jesus refered islamic text eesau jesus pronounced knew ideally time goal peace refrain viloating peace violate peace eaither conflict territory croats muslims serbs lived peace rallying point race general mind president mohammad khan khan july send mail mkhan christian perspective moslem ideas jesus erroneous generally avoid discussions islam group religion islam place detail simply note moslems reject christians regard essential facts jesus christian perspective moslems jesus justification christians hate moslems kill agree 
lost gospel organization claremont graduate school lines finished reading burton mack book lost gospel christian origins thought totally cool read talk randy 
jesus black organization university virginia lines jesus born biblical accounts mother ancestry father tracing back david reasonable assume jesus semitic interesting jesus semitic makes white black sense underscores point made earlier color important message grace divinity concentrate finally direct interested african involvement church account conversion ethiopian eunuch acts chapter chapter earliest conversions eunuch treasurer queen ethiopians african ethiopia time region south egypt speculate african christian black christian bless charles campbell 
christians church members organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article gchin writes years christians local church members local church issue personal important bible encourage friends regard issue brings interesting subject discussed studied aware posted articles personality typing mbti test vehicle speed read psychology personality personality type summary file observation people significantly personalities question essentially born respect church attendance participation people thrive people real difficulty prefer solitary contemplative lifestyle energized confronted excessive closeness activities lots people measured extroversion introversion impression churches totally blind fact create environments scare naturally introverted introverted characters bible introverted preference find pressure churches participate meet large groups uncomfortable knowing churches overly influenced highly extroverted people thrive sort thing wrong extroversion introversion preferences place body define extrovert introvert carefully words correctly culture extrovert introvert scale measure person energized excerpted summary energizing person energized extroversion preference drawing energy world people activities things introversion preference drawing energy internal world ideas emotions impressions elicit discussion churches structure meet real people comprise body christ change people personalities framework aspects churches properly understood personality variances members detriment noring charter member infj club dying infj means brave mail send info noring noring international fred gourmet chocolate carlton place phone chips world livermore mail read psychology personality action 
people married eyes organization laurentian university lines article marka harris mark ashley writes bibles hand give exact chapter verse time jesus told peter rock hold true earth held true heaven hold true true heaven respect marriage ceremony priest parties required priest couple witnesses divorce allowed anullments granted approval bishop pope pope delegates function tired follow logic held true earth held true heaven priest apparently required fact read verse correctly matthew understand marriage place required agree earth touching thing todd mark ashley disclaimer opinions harris marka harris lost angelino able find completely precise statements needed usual current edition catholic encyclopedia frustratingly vague priest viewed witness sense required part purpose formal marriage avoid ambiguity commitment community support marriage cases problems involved helping make people carry commitment marriage public commitment presence priest required regular marriage clear boundaries exceptional cases valid irregular temere marriage involving catholic valid priest oxford dictionary church imply canon retains recent authoritative source note catholic priest required catholics catholic church recognize marriage baptized catholics valid priest 
arrogance christians reply carleton mark baker organization national capital freenet lines moderator answered charge arrogance ably confine answering charge illogic previous article eugene bigelow geno belief belief wrong belief simply belief means unfortunatly christians taught religion western intellectual tradition taught fundamental premis thing true converse necessarilly false basic asumption theology science alike impossible distinguish strong weak meanings word weak sense means library track strong sense means basis thought nature operates fundamental laws fact nature appears capricious unpredictable christian belief strong kind christians hold beliefs weak kind number theological ecclesiological topics extreme religion accept teachings saved note separate ideas hold view majority hold matter pure logic christanity true hinduism necessarilly false contradicts incompatible christaianity matter logic vice versa takes arrogance claim thinks arrogant claim thinks told christians told thinks based interpretation book christians base belief bible living tradition church established christ guided constantly holy spirit bible simply written core tradition logic statement faulty assumes people differing beliefs correct depends differing feet tall weighs pounds beliefs differ feet tall beleive foot wrong perception people alike people perceive truth call truth universal truth call presents truth prayer meditation inspir ation dreams people perceive truth differently wrong single truth human find assert find absolute truth mistaken short share belief point wrong question glass half empty half full answers contradictory correct belief true require belief wrong begin suspect real difficulty knowability truth simply language glass half empty contradiction statement half full fact expressed words point phrase illustrate ways pessimist optimist express fact true people express belief words true fail understand words expressions belief argue bitterly miles great scisms occurred ecumenical work simply resolving differences language conceal agreement belief sense beliefs equally valid beliefs people hold contradict beliefs people hold obfuscations language culture expression beliefs stripped beliefs people hold necessarilly false arrogant illogical correct equivalent wrong long hold respective beliefs regard error mark baker task jungles carleton irrigate deserts lewis 
jesus black organization lines article bgsu sherlette dixon writes people post newsgroup cowardly jesus born middle east expect human features similar middle easterners point time camera invented guess looked dinosaur bones digging yellow polka dotted purplish orange likewise picture jesus current image jesus guess assume jesus black make follow techings follow teachings skin color moot point counts life faith jesus skin color human interest historical accuracy jesus israel skin color fair skinned heavily tanned desert experts area speak mark ashley disclaimer opinions harris marka harris lost angelino 
sabbath admissions organization walla walla college lines article dlecoint acns darius lecointe writes darius response deleted darius clear paul comments esteeming accept darius honor lord equally accept esteem days alike similarly honor lord total agreement darius worship saturday honor lord mention esteeming days alike fast days observed jews matter interpret passage accept worship sunday honor lord contrast fellow believers bible overwhelmingly points saturday honor creation deliverance israelites egyptian bondage attempt point observance saturday legalistic simply case keeping saturday full rest contemplate goodness grace clear unambiguous proof regular christian worship responses passages cited similarly money paul collection gathered specially homes disprove obvious time congregation offering gather worship expected homes reason mention specific idea introduced reason paul wanted corinthians money collection week received weekly wages paul wanted money collection priority spending money things proof front explain money homes meeting obvious reading week simply means time gather worship reason implications clear statements authors assumed readers knew christian worship assume christians regularly worshipped assume christians regularly worshipped seventh agree implications authors assume reader knew worhip mark 
people married eyes organization brunel university uxbridge lines robert anderson randerso sahs wrote opinions engaged couple married eyes publically announced plans marry made vows unswervingly committed realize subjective qualifier married joined sight read scripture couple married physically married sexual intercourse genesis quoted memory reason leave parents joined wife flesh jesus quotes scripture referring marriage read genesis phraseology woman wife implies wife point intercourse compare jewish tradition joseph heard mary pregnant mind divorce quietly mary joseph betrothed married binding relationship required divorce marriage occur mary joseph compare christ church ephesians revelation church bride christ marriage lamb takes place jesus returns binding love relationship jesus forward time marriage place spiritual equivalent sexual intercourse represents intimate fellowship summary engagement honoured binding relationship marriage civil ceremony marriage marriage occurs point betrothed couple demean civil church ceremony great pedantic historically correct stating civil ceremony marriage recognised state west napoleon introduced tabs people ready corrected point view raises questions partners marriage people married true marriage occurs point intercourse married eyes state honours laws nations west illegal sleep unmarried western countries honouring proclaim marriage state friends consummating marriage salt light people perceive culturally insensitive declare married civil ceremony michael davis hast thou slain jabberwock arms beamish 
certainty arrogance organization university colorado boulder lines responding moderator article alvin colorado kenneth alvin writes choosing rely important areas personal sovereignty bothers suggest matters faith specific beliefs true absolute binding give revelation truth conclusion intentionally choosing wrong path arrogance lack respect honest conclusions matters reasonable humility ability truth paths areas practice clarification reject idea specific beliefs true absolute binding true true assuming belief history agree point matters faith tenets logically persuasive convinced truth things instance personal revelation fine share revelation beliefs arrogant persay accepts matters pure faith truth oneself conflict arises assuming disagreements beliefs arise truth reveal truth honestly agree lead conclusion disagrees sinful dishonest rejecting truth inconvenient spurn equivalent assuming truths holds universal absolute problem negates individuality humans relationships absolute truth areas doctrinal disagreement areas established revealed truth comments criticism alvin colorado agree 
easter testament double stan organization shell lines article dsegard daniel segard writes argument compelling ishtar eggs ishtar bunnies pagan fertility symbols worship pagan goddess fertility biblical belief lost drop word easter replace occurances resurrection sunday show services called resurrection sunday services easter services view true celebration easter resurrection lord true foundation world pagan practices foreshadowings true celebration resurrection light shone people recognize full truth manifested satanic counterfeits intended deceive recognize truth manifested argument power resurrection fulfillment incarnation hope earlier parallel ideas religions images truth resurrection paul states glass darkly serves purpose arguing darker lighter glass foreshadowings perfect understnding today imperfect perfected theosis gift wham perfect larry overacker lawrence overacker shell company information center houston 
intolerance eternal life organization social science computing lines xian netters bless contents intro love neighbor reaction posts purpose eternal life reading news group religiously month spiritually times irate kinds people group offense intolerance hard tolerate people oops smiley quota paragraph imho follow commandment love neighbor leave judging specifically sexual orientation part love sinner hate apply attention fundaligionists love neighbor wether happy flamed endlessly loose scripture quotation contests galore defend point beleive correct love sinner hate slippery slope hatred bottom incredibly chopped post deletions means jayne means johnson means eric article rutgers jayne guild jayne kulikauskas writes eric molas writes free gifts meaning understood give life meaning exists purpose care accept thing digress find dissatisfied purposes manufacture cosmic sense greatest great pharos long pyramids historical oddities worn wind eventually turned dust mankind perish interconnectedness transcends physical pointless people able live purposes success money power effecting change helping suffice suppose cosmic scale able minds comforting reality illusion true reality underneath physical spirit world school sorts learn grow souls mature purpose purposes takes pressure make life success human terms learn important progress grow persist learn love express love dificult honest effort rewarded limitations live forever begin diverge live forever opinion matter interesting theological question feeling common perception eternal life base imprisoned limited mind doubt choose imortality boring questions invitations discussion nature eternal life mortals locked space time conceive answer metaphor analogy question metaphor 
block prayers organization pegasus honolulu lines article jayne guild jayne kulikauskas writes mike snsc mike mccormick writes honoring wives prayers hindered prayers hindered peter interpretation heard verse refers physically abusing wife husband physically stronger wife permitted dominate honor sister christ specific blocks prayer jayne kulikauskas jayne guild specific verse regard blocking prayer trouble thinking block access prayer sinned praying forgivenenss prayer life hindered concentrating causing happened thinking prayer prayers hindered actions block transmission reception prayer shalom howard 
atheist views christianity accepting jeesus heart religion christian reply mussack lines article trajan unomaha stephen mcintyre writes norris writes universe exist assume exists existence question reversed assume universe exists assume exist universe find pascal wager spend lives searching wasted lives meaningless search wasted potentially meaningful lives suppose universe billion years suppose lasts billion years suppose live small scary searching friends earth scared woke party memory discussing host host find party stay recognize mortality find buddhism confucianism taoism hinduism judaism zoerasterism shintoism islam logic nicely depth enduring values true good point good point studying religion ignoring christians disagree worthwhile study religions philosophies glean truth quote context test true chris mussack 
arrogance christians reply carleton mark baker organization national capital freenet lines previous article mhsu utsa melinda argument stops aren kids groping truth authority declare beliefs false belief belief wrong belief simply belief means authority belief belief authoratative produce authority belief find authority belief legitimacy authority short mind start majority christians catholics authority church derive authority bible acceptance church mark baker task jungles carleton irrigate deserts lewis 
article ready requests organization university georgia athens lines section richard badenas book christ romans pauline perspective section contextual setting meaning romans addition endnotes file long reasons requests article personally badenas insights true damaging traditional augustinian calvinist view kalivoda tedr university georgia athens ucns institute higher 
arrogance christians organization monash university melbourne australia lines article hayesstw unisa steve hayes writes people living volcanic island group geologists determine volcano imminent warn people island danger leave group people island task warning danger danger real group necessarily arrogant warning danger beliefs correct false geologists wrong people warning existent danger analogies push argument sides melinda assume premises respective analogies true correct conclusion arise important point note directions sides christians truth duty truth christians offended evidently truth christians truth offended christians claim truth argument bagging christians side reconciled parties mind melinda pointed point arguing lines approach premise line discussion people faiths personally mind believes long mine live peacefully steve hayes department missiology editorial department lowe department physics monash university melbourne victoria australia 
accepting jesus heart reply whitsebd rose hulman organization computer science department rose hulman lines told smug post appoligize felt desire express understand logic wished life christ love bryan whitsell 
watt misquoted lines heath terrance heath writes realize entering discussion late question reagan appointee james watt pentacostal christian secretary interior problem deforestation living days generation redwoods record february house representatives interior committee meeting james weaver asked watt agree save scenic resources children gobble watt answer absolutely delicate balance secretary interior steward natural resources generation future generations future generations count lord returns manage skill resources needed future generations source column rowland evans robert novak page washington post friday august james kiefer 
accepting jeesus heart organization unorganized usenet postings uninc lines jayne guild writes eric molas writes firstly atheist posting immature flame start express opinion intended audience deleted animals sleep food reproduce glad atheist tragic people choose meaningless existence terrible living fears death life eric molas feels life disagree life meaningless precisely purpose meaning choose give living living needed reason free completely free pick reason suited freedom intoxicating closest religious experience glad atheist feel eric attempts share life considered evidence infectious nature christianity explaining subjective experience convert proselytize explaining effects personally experience religion infectious eric paranoid christian free human person love choose create live forever floats goat sound happy fairly matters christ kind drug drugs replacement christ pardon strikes sentence sounds reversible empty spot shaped hole hearts ease pain empty spot shaped hole hear things theists understand talking emptiness hole seek sound mentally healthy situation walking hole oneself eric post helped blessed hope someday filled abundant life written original post intended interpreted reread carefully doubt mileage vary disclaimer great young insane 
hebrew grammar texts choose english german organization kalamazoo college alumni association lines tired horse slightly twist wanted good english language texts learning ancient hebrew compare german educational texts qualitywise idea figure study wait back find interesting studying theology germany fact students ancient language learning early theology student spend time folks careers years greek latin hebrew possibly aramaic divinity schools seminaries states language instruction basis comparison phil philip sells hard lord kzoo worse tradition classical education generally seminary believes students greek teach common seminaries require semester hebrew greek required scholarship 
lines trajan unomaha stephen mcintyre writes norris writes stuff deleted fortunately convenience believers class questions reduced natural science universe exist assume exists existence question reversed assume universe exists assume exist universe remainder message deleted pardon replying portion message reason exists universe exists universe natural realm subject natural laws general effect observe nature effect effect produced existence natural realm effect supernatural hand supernatural subject natural laws effect supernatural eternal existence imply previous existence physical natural cosmos supernatural valid basis accepting existence uncaused phenomena eternal deny existence supernatural faced dilemma physical universe nature shows sufficient explain existence oversimplification complex topic wanted clarify important differences supernatural natural universe mistake interchangeable mark 
accepting jeesus heart reply organization lincoln laboratory lines article eric molas writes animals sleep food reproduce agree sleep disagree animals statement categorical negative polkadoted elephants true omniscient steele coming understand lincoln laboratory rejecting facts wood favour facts lexington lewis 
atheist views christianity accepting jeesus heart reply organization lincoln laboratory lines article trajan unomaha stephen mcintyre writes buddhism confucianism taoism hinduism judaism zoerasterism shintoism islam logic nicely depth enduring values true truth religions science christianity claim claim things true contradict religions truth claims true steele coming understand lincoln laboratory rejecting facts wood favour facts lexington lewis 
people married eyes reply organization lincoln laboratory lines lewis wedding principals marry church state present witnesses steele coming understand lincoln laboratory rejecting facts wood favour facts lexington lewis lewis summary standard catholic theology presence witnesses optional situations standard desert island 
questions christian organization florida state university lines udel steven hoskins writes realize ignorant bible possibly christians hold true rectify reading bible helpful read good interpretation commentary bible relevant aspects christian faith questions recommend good reading list theological works intended person recommend books congregation sounds attractive dangerous christian contaminated people interpretation steep scripture discuss christians read remember people write interpretation promised give light question affiliated congregation matters taste criteria choosing church difference protestant denominations wait long attaching church remember compare teach scripture bereans darius 
people married lines listowner anderson privately post general interest copy wrote list find relevant listmember asks makes common marriages wrong common marriage necessarily wrong bible testament married preacher priest jewish christian fact jewish priests connection weddings common notion marriage performed clergyman fact traditional christian view west bride groom ministers marriage clergyman witness essential ingredient marriage mutual commitment persons considered married bound mutual promises live husband wife forsaking till death part reason reason concerned married insisted kind public ceremony order society couple clear commitment made suppose public ceremony standard vows woman settling live year woman honey great lasted time move talking leaving prettier younger married talking married remember distinctly night made love love deep ocean eternal stars long live utterly completely deathbed feeble breath utter rhetoric poetry romantic mood bound kinds silly things literally insistence formal ceremony matter public record church insists duty things give moral advice give moral advice relations woman idea married vice versa state insists state concern property rights child care support made commitments prospective fathers insist daughters seduced abandoned prospective spouses insist make hearing real commitment poetry persons making vows insist making formally publicly order clear minds rhetoric real thing insistence formal public explicit avowal marriage commitment church insists christians marry clergyman present wedding record vows behalf church impossible valid wedding clergyman order make couple understand christian teaching marriage fact promising married christian sense church prefers standard marriage wary letting couples write vows reason lawyers prefer standard terminology draw contract language repeatedly wills courts interpret thing words find probate judge interpretation intended similarly church prefers avoid endless debates main squeeze long haul fact cover territory forsaking till death part topic list topic hasn listmember couple love living marriage eyes eventually asked case status break moral equivalent divorce relationship forbids walk original questioner good grief thought fact reasonable grounds suspecting piece paper ceremony front judge preacher order show love ways advantages marriage option changing mind minimum bother point applies mate clear fact assumed lifelong commitment worse forsaking till death part case ceremony needed reply reason requiring driver license dangerous drivers road wrong existence unlicensed drivers existence dangerous drivers testing licensing drivers obvious reasonable means pursuing goal reducing number dangerous drivers road state rightly makes enforces laws citizen positive moral obligation refrain driving license matter hotshot wheel back original question listmember couple living years asks point stop fornicating start married answer point explicitly accepted obligation faithful worse long lived accepted obligation reasons declare front justice peace james kiefer 
book review wanted organization rice university lines interested point review book scholarly christian journal conservative liberal protestant catholic lost years jesus documentary evidence jesus year journey east elizabeth clare prophet supposedly theory refuted past examined thought book listed text class religious studies endorsements credible sources wondering scholars reviewed matter butera grad student sick music makes money today rice university houston nietzsche 
rise organization washington university astrophysics lines frank mailing early historical references christianity respond lost address mail scott oser 
bible unsuitable christians reply halsall fordham organization random misconfigured site lines christian wrote faith learning reading bible path follow bible christians word revelation jesus christ chief legacy revalation church recommending denommination recommend finding comfortable christian congregation develop faith reading bible bible read stick gospels epistles psalms avoid book revelation altogether friends comfortable mistakenly fervent projects read entire bible frequently bogged remarkable lack fervour middle leviticus sturdy chronicles point bible illustrate faith christians provide totality faith vital beliefs virtually christians simply mentioned trinity duality natures christ types church organization beliefs practices developed lived experience christian people experience lived hopes spirit bible studies context congregation context reading suggestion confessor mine suggest good good reflect christian life novels profundity discussing nature good evil human heart induction christian faith brought grace reading graham greene power glory poetry gerard manley hopkins recommend graham greene monsignor quixote iris murdoch christian insistence good life frankly uplifted directed reading reading parts bible christian letting soul life directed infinite represented person jesus christ paul halsall halsall fordham 
nature environmentalism paganism reply carleton mark baker organization national capital freenet lines previous article mcovingt michael covington article heath terrance heath writes necessarily unorthodox christians call father metaphor bible place refers mother father mother literal sense attributes father metaphor people times misleading possibilities passage refering passage cited mother image isaiah woman forget sucking child compassion womb forget forget passage mother image mother image human constancy show contrasted constancy mother figure represents mankind mark baker task jungles carleton irrigate deserts lewis luke jerusalem jerusalem killing prophets stoning gathered children gathers brood wings 
sspx schism organization lines larry overacker writes responding simon interesting selections posted understanding sspx schism legitimately excommunicated point roman catholic church excommunication real formal excommunication provided canon theology involved interested confusion issue sspx schism basic problem lack ability distinguish true obedience false obedience disobedience schism classifications obedience important elements involved purposes command response made command command commands legitimate pope ordering catholics meat fridays illegitimate pope ordering catholics worship dagon full moon response command refuse commanded comply making table possibilites command response legitimate comply true obedience illegitimate refuse true obedience legitimate refuse disobedience illegitimate comply false obedience classifications obedience obedience solely matter compliance refusal nature commands account compliance refusal obedient disobedient consideration commands good pope commands catholics worship dagon refuse disobedient society saint pius refusing comply things pope desires insufficient label disobedient nature papal desires sspx popes vatican commanding things church popes disagreed arian heresy complete weak popes sspx priests modern martin luthers answer examine traditional teaching church problem catholics idea issues religion american catholics defective intellectual depth read issues discussed catholic press country hand italian catholic magazine days interviews superior general society saint pius catholics decide side pope soundness papacy infallible eventually pope straighten hand unsoundness short term popes wrong catholics situation obeying wrong fact situation grave obeying wasting great opportunity failing love christ heroic time badly schism move schism schism superset disobedience refusal obey legitimate command schismatics disobedient superset work disobeyers schismatics mere fact sspx priests comply holy father desires make schismatics added disobedience constitute schism makes sspx priests schismatics rejection command decent reference catholic theology find distinguishing criterion schism rejection command catholic encyclopedia disobedience schism order possess character include trangression commands superiors denial divine command article schism society saint pius schismatic answer clear pope boss pray matters schism boils leave consideration exact nature objections position legitimate catholic theology obedience schism resisting papal policies contrary traditional teaching papacy interests church fact finds situation duty resist stance rome read holy father motu proprio ecclesia find definitive document subject motu proprio specifically papal product roman congregation letter pope possibly read pope boss complain document holy father things episcopal consecrations performed archbishop lefebvre constituted schismatic archbishop lefebvre problem misunderstanding nature tradtion confusing fail logic pope points episcopal consecrations read interesting article translation italian magazine back question jurisdiction episcopal consecrations imply rejection pope jurisdiction constitute schismatic justifying excommunication current code canon problem traditional theology holy orders episcopal consecration confer jurisdiction confers power order ability confect sacraments jurisdiction conferred power confer pope society bishops knowing traditional theology great pains avoid pretence jurisdiction simply confer sacraments require bishop article interesting posited reason pope post vatican idea holy orders idea episcopal consecration confer jurisdiction lent article friend quoted code canon support idea pope thinking point remains great puzzle schism traditional catholic theology pope points nature tradition passage question root schismatic discerned incomplete contradictory notion tradtion incomplete sufficiently account living character tradition vatican council taught apostles progresses church holy spirit growth insight realities words passed ways contemplation study believers ponder things hearts intimate sense spiritual realities experience preaching received succession espiscopate charism truth contradictory notion tradition opposes universal magisterium church possessed bishop rome body bishops impossible remain faithful tradition breaking ecclesial bond person apostle peter christ entrusted ministry unity church papal motu proprio ecclesia july holy father making points simplified vatican council happened pope argument case sufficient prove archbishop lefebvre wrong disagrees weak helped clarify things pope addressed archbishop lefebvre concerns detail john paul stand social kingship christ taught gregory pius xii pius pius supposed ignore popes subject future hold powers sspx talking rome straighten things people prefer call justified refusal obey justified disobedience obeying calling refusal obey obedience puts sort alice wonderland world words similarly schism formal break church pope schism exists definition exists pope wrong side break good reason break exist shortly healed deny fact exist grave danger destroying thing reform power papacy good reconciled pope future process destroyed ability tools church discipline thing hold pope misused powers excommunicated wrongly excommunication effect schism imagination means acts church discipline legal tools acts validity open debate generally liberal catholics problems pope objected church sanctions generally admitted sanctions exist opening door people simply ignoring papal decisions claiming obeying disobeying communion excommunicated precisely denial divine command defines schism 
quality catholic liturgy organization lines rolfe writes active participation latin beautiful hear passion chanted deacons narrator chants middle baritone range jesus chants bass directly quoted handled high tenor heard gregorian chant passion good friday liturgy lord resigned poor pitiful creatures killing chant beautiful 
anger organization bell labs lines paul conditt writes case extremely angry upset things rationalizing fears phobias reaching people aids socially unacceptable diseases disease actions irrelevant jesus aaron bryce cardenas writes issue bring anger obvious wrong angry reason extremely angry hatred jesus reason angry putting cross prayer forgive father obvious speaking acts flesh speaking emotions emotions moral immoral good emotions step label emotion good numb hide true feelings accept accepts paul anger accepted channeled plea refrain passing judgement afflicted disease reach give calling arguments foolish belittling quarrels avoiding action fear give feeling forgiving aaron quick judge forgiven aids dealt responsibility feelings made choices action feelings anger moore 
online bible bible study organization dept computer science laurentian university sudbury lines ling siew writes embark bible study acts online bible software background authors topics articles author people testament realible articles online bible software specifically convenience darby translation heard darby founders plymouth brethren early supporter dispensationalism bruce highly approved translation translated bible languages young literal translation heard fellow young concordance standard reference work similar strong concordance realiability hebrew greek lexicon follow standard reference works authors denomination articles topics modules larry pierce brethren baptists thompson chain reference fame presbyterian realiability treasury scripture knowlege heard standard reference work decades version released christian book distributers commentators scofield johnson wrote scofield reference bible people testament scofield creator scofield reference bible people study bible notes strongly dispensational realiability strong numbers accurate strong numbers shawn abigail abigail laurentian 
doctrinal distinctives organization nasa msfc lines healta tammy healy writes article jodfishe indiana joseph dale fisher writes book provided entitled seventh adventist church believes book called basic fundamental beliefs close number copy home school book called seventh adventists basica beliefs printed reveiew herald publishing association competition jungle cooperation civilization eldridge cleaver sherman scox 
rebuilding temple organization ucla computer science department lines tcsteven ingr todd stevens writes chuck petch writes appears stands rebuilding resuming sacrifices scriptures happen days israeli government give permission start hand holding project ready happen brothers sisters time hand redemption drawing scriptural levitical priesthood resumed jews legitimately prove levite bloodline mistaken jewish family names cohen kahn considered legitimate indicators descent aaron family names levi levene considered legitimate indicators descent levi main legal issue purification priesthood supposed involve finding ashes heifer purpose years steven stovall stovall ucla 
tuff christian organization university kentucky dept math sciences lines bissda lawrence bissell writes people understand christian churches life total sacrafice sake loved save typical statement irrational brainwashed person bible written male chavnist thousands years holy books follow parts suitable modern life ignore heaven sake literally inspires turn lives tuff people real christian strong persevere easy muslim buddhist buddha commandments older christ opinion tougher follow buddha intrinsically good christ sinners distracted meditating awaken concept buddhism opinion atheist buddhist awaken easy task stay eating meat meditate everyday buddhists supposed pray times fast month year ramzan give income tithe muslims fact jesus ordinary buddha mohamed philosopy ahead times lived fact christianity young religion compared hindiusm judaism zorasterism buddihsm probable bible collection borrowed ideas good deal trade eastern lands middle east time christ leave crap woman created helper aras weight lifting guitar playing drums takes time rush christianity life church week helping poor people time units work time sports social life boxes turn robertson brain washers number turn pledges alive inside boxes carried boxes created parting question christian indoctrinated parents learned religion make comparative study claim brain washed 
lewis ancient books organization west advanced technologies lines article mayne scri bill mayne wrote sentence ironic readers religion christian embarrassed apologists josh mcdowell lewis expresses sense history makes masses aquinas illiterate knew rhetoric logic people today writings period elevated cream crop speak read write medieval period knew rules matter uncritically accepting told bill mayne unfair lewis prominent fallacy attributed liar lunatic lord quoted christians logical fallacy original context lewis couple pretty severe hits group accusing righteous unconvincing told christians embarrassed josh mcdowell comment read work thinks lewis righteous read introduction problem pain theodicy explains wanted publish book anonymously believed argument presenting presume brave face suffering people presenting kind model fortitude considered great coward adequately handled question embarrassed lewis liar lunatic lord argument part bigger discourse embarrassed lewis state continual amazement soundness clarity arguments presents phil talking phone company phone company opinions kind stuff 
doctrine organization oregon health sciences university lines posted general outline personal study doctrine doctrine persons godhead doctrines scripture important bible eminently revelation objective studying bible bible teaches persons godhead trinity father lord jesus christ holy spirit individual persons nature meaning identical nature possessing divine attributes equally worthy worship trust obedience matt john attributes characteristics godhead nature revealed jehovah living eternal unchanging beginning ending spirit john love john gracious merciful good faithful patient full lovingkindness nahum holy righteous absolutely nature incapable sinning word action omnipresent present time completeness person omniscient knowing knowing things beginning infinitely wise omnipotent almighty sovereign unlimited power creation infinite presence wisdom power conviction work lord centered people churches lord work centered people understand sovereign things affairs nations lives people carrying purposes salvation works godhead creation persons godhead active creating active sustaining creation ordering human affairs nations individual people time john salvation order understand salvation absolutely begin persons godhead active salvation father salvation originated members godhead determined eternity past salvation conditions people saved saved election salvation recognized scripture work father thess christ lord jesus christ birth virgin mary earth accomplish important works final complete revelation father provide salvation father chosen death cross bodily resurrection present intercessory work heaven work salvation completed lord returns john holy spirit author scripture theme christ redemptive work holy spirit carrying redemptive plan ways convicts john regenerates bible birth john indwells believer fulfill work sanctification john seals believer christ making salvation secure baptizes believer body christ teaches believer truth scripture john bestows spiritual gifts people ministry restrains empowers living service acts liane brown internet brownli portland oregon 
questions organization univ wisconsin madison neep department lines lord jesus christ john nkjv green gideon forced beginning word word word word refers jesus christ john declares jesus lord refers david psalms refers heaven coming messiah lord refers jesus definition religious person swear curse bible religious people christians greatest christians irreligious answer question bible speaks places previous post james good psalm lord abide tabernacle dwell holy hill walks uprightly works righteousness speaks truth heart backbite tongue evil neighbor reproach friend eyes vile person despised honors fear lord swears hurt change money usury bribe aginst innocent things moved coffey safest road coffey neep wisc hell gradual send mail cptc gentle slope soft underfoot read sudden turnings milestones signposts screwtape techwood meets wrecking ball world rejoice lost home 
messiahs organization mind link british columbia canada lines missed postings waco david koresh coming coming real thing person claiming insane david koresh coming christ breaks word coming koresh promise compound allowed give radio broadcast didn fool people meagre knowledge bible christians hard jews christ cautious accepting religious authorities accept messiah surprised discussed difficulty wanting early recognize coming time wanting credulously believing claims mark christ mark false christs false prophets arise show signs wonders lead astray elect mark heed told things mark days tribulation darkened moon give light mark stars falling heaven powers heavens shaken mark coming clouds great power glory understanding jesus answer unlike coming veiled coming unmistakeable telling misled things happen coming actual coming make power openly visible koresh public statement clear claiming christ 
agnostic question organization bogart buddy bellevue lines pardon wrong newsgroup describe agnostic single universal supreme surely judged lived good lives striving achieve goodness power complication friends fundamentalist issue feels responsibility proselytize guess faith great strain friendship problem subject discussion quickly begins offend offended call question bedrock beliefs offended feel subscription superstition rationalized circular arguments bible word tells bible question convince subject left undiscussed preserve areas religious beliefs great friendship convince saving advice tomlinson falling snow bogart project boeing excellent snow boeing computer services uunet bcstec voodoo anderson gabriel 
phone number wycliffe translators organization university rochester rochester york lines concerned recent posting thought pretty denounced wing organization involved ideological manipulation cultural interference including vietnam south america commission mexican academia denounced covert political ideological institution govt instrument control regulation penetration espionage repression concern group acceptable praiseworthy readers religion christian important christians immediately accept christian organization automatically reproach 
esotericism organization interactive development environmenmts lines compiling bibliography religious perspectives esotericism hermeticism gnosticism mysticism occultism alchemy magic interested sources found interesting insightful interested medieval works chemical wedding christian rosenkreutz arthurian legends feel free send personal opinions stephen twelker twelker 
certainty arrogance organization rowan college jersey lines earlier article explained people find arrogant christians christians profess absolute certianty beliefs doctrines christians insist made mistakes discovering beliefs amounts infallible impicitly claiming infallible pretty arrogant agree short problem matter good sources part doctrines beliefs rest thinking reasoning doctrines suspect long brain involved possibility error summarised problem writing loop called rexlex claimed loop bother explain preferring paraphrase sartre ramble wittgenstein conclusion argument leads relativism explained reject argument false dislike leads facts change dislike rexlex wrote disagree nancy sweetie conclusion fruition leads relativism leads dispair year philosophy student explain rexlex written constitute refutation wrote dispute sentences rexlex post relevant point hand thing true truth real experienced verifiable dispute truths verified experience direct experience adding numbers claim infallible fact remember sums incorrectly claim direct experience reasoning numbers past experiencing things start reasoning shakier ground point earlier article human brains infested trusted limited circumstances revelation absolute thing revelation stops reasoning begins possibility error appears suppose modern bible translations include perfect rendering jesus words supper jesus body presume totally error absolutely true moment stops speaking people start interpreting possibility error appears literally record elaborated words thinking tran substatiation interpret passage brains reason draw conclusions brains perfect thinking leads wrong direct experience reasoning fallible lead perfect conclusions assumptions jesus body start making doctrines brains reason christ revealed trouble infallible things extent doctrines rely fallible human thinking problem arrogant christians human beings make mistakes surely infallible christians speak reasoning lead astray implicitly claim infallible christians rarely implicit claim witnessing work person talking believes foolish recognise limits intentionally cover things things confident recognising directly experience things based reasoning scripture extra biblical thinking labled infallible confident ready explain reasoning aware infallible speaking acting thinking flawless ridiculous rexlex suggested people read silent francis schaeffer highly schaeffer grossly overrated evangelical christians opinion stop reading interested opinion suggest certainty ludwig wittgenstein darren provine kilroy rowan substantial number talk religion misc readers read wittgenstein postings disappear understood wittgenstein disappear michael siemon 
sabbath admissions organization freshman civil engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines arguments sabbath make point pretty clear catholic orthodox oranglican monophysite churches ourght worship saturday sola scriptura effect church chruches recognize power chruch andy byler note church establishing changing argument sabbath part ceremonial rest ceremonial binding christians argument based paul letters acts general sense jesus teachings people argue scripture shows worship occuring sunday paul endorsing understand points disputed dispute time point making arguments backing claim scripture accepting principle sola scriptura commit obeying entire jewish acts paul letters clear accept disagreement bible place line protestants give authority church matters dictated churches free determine liturgies church polity accept sabbath binding christians worship falls category items individual christians worship nature group activity churches free decide 
thinking heaven lines james sledd asks nature eternal life mortals locked space time conceive metaphor analogy metaphor lewis essay weight glory deals question recommend enthusiastically read chapter heaven book problem pain fictional treatment book great divorce found helpful helped treatment dante divine comedy heaven occupies poem imagine reading beginning urge translation dorothy sayers penguin paperbacks james kiefer 
quality catholic liturgy organization ohio state university lines appreciated follow replies earlier query reply lost suggested parishes york good masses corpus christi downtown manhattan coincidence week america national jesuit magazine carried interview myles bourke corpus christi pastor emeritus bourke directed translation american bible noted practices introduced mass manner atmosphere banality hilarity trivialized liturgy note parents parish easter helium filled balloons distributed offertory apparently understanding word risen kiddie mass attended mass wanted note generous spirit replies newsgroup offers generally moderate moderated conversation topics lead people extreme behavior including people remarkable thing exception benefits doubt generally granted christian john murray 
rise reply organization hfsi lines article parkin writes desperately wanted jewish people accept messiah crucification jesus pray pass weakness women lives country noble jesus knew crucification jewish people accept jesus messiah kingdom heaven established earth jesus head jewish people expected happened years imagine assume jesus plea father pass plea escape death jesus garden life presense father result knew detail death long agony garden hour approached felt abandoned father presense diminishing passing minute addition brought jesus attention betrayal judas impact suffering avail people reject future majority jesus suffering mental spiritual physical portion iceburg john account jesus shunned becomming earthly king john people miraculous sign jesus began surely prophet world jesus knowing intended make king force withdrew mountain regret earthly king jesus knew mission redeem gentile people establish kingdom hearts utterly mistaken jesus dismay aspiration earthly kingdom knew father obediently darkness passion john technical consultant internet uucp uunet hfsi westpark drive voice mclean 
hell black sabbath organization purdue university engineering computer network lines article jprzybyl jennifer przybylinski writes wrong jeff fenholt part black sabbath major brother christ totally changed life wife tours singing witnessing spreading gospel christ wrong black sabbath similar band group jeff fenholt claims roadie black sabbath musician band louis months back poster christian bookstore frequent turned addressed homosexuals prostitutes drug addicts alcoholics headbangers showed long hair black leather jacket felt judged orthodox christian headbanger slightly insulted lumped drug addicts alcoholics suppose drink good german beer makes alcoholic steven salaris dangerous live crew salaris wustl stupid foul language ideas philosophy geoff tate queensryche 
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sspx schism organization lines article shellgate larry overacker writes echo question contentious assuming pope universal jurisdiction authority authority rely decisions prevents choosing doctrine papal disagreement error resolved time true councils bishops basically stood pope ultimate question traditional theology church thing resist pope departure traditional doctrine church commands authority conflict tradition commands disobeyed view conflict happen major hair splitting situation develop complex people figure view present situation church extremely complicated list happened years catholic church impartial observer aghast appears lies heart matter disagreements tradition tradition authority discipline problems stem general widespread ignorance catholic faith opinion catholics zilch catholic faith leaves wide open destruction erring bishops basically reformation part question mind respects shards catholic church trampled catholic hierarchy listing shocking things hour situation campos brazil reading book happened vatican council bishop antonio castro mayer introduced wake vatican traditional mass catechisms made people knew faith catholic theology obedience modernism innoculated people coming order rome retirement pope sick bishop castro mayer waited pope recovered inquired command pope wanted liberal commanded absence pope confirmed decision good bishop retired injustice completely incredible bishop installed proceeded expel bishop castro mayer clergy churches refused celebrate mass bishop visit parish celebrate mass people promptly walk church masse bishop enraged resorted enlisting secular authorities eject priest church priests start building churches people completely parishes mass bishop desired virtually parishioners prime motivation completely illegal canon priest penalized traditional mass legislation enacted pope saint pius obligation mass process people campos private individuals including civil authorities constantly sending petitions letters rome modernist bishop arrived rome eventually priests kicked people question supporters sspx positions respect church reforms change conformed pope assuming pope position change leaders sspx jointly make choice appears claiming infallible teaching authority adopt view wrong wrong change mind change left catholic church left pope defines things cathedra controversy process understood catholic theology instant catholic problem people catholic world knew faith bishops shocked sould argue coming real traditional teaching church simple matter east west separated years case catholic church massive body traditional teaching popes years relevant question traditional doctrine thought teaching magisterieum church error teachings faith morals short term wrong roman catholic heresy great reformation years errors spread pitiful infallibility rests pope church short term pope large sections church astray fact major heresy large sections church astray pope historically reliable back long effect pope making cathedra statement sspx situation honored formal doctrine infallibility contentions understand orthodox real vested interest outcome honored infallibility infallibility define mass expression catholic faith education catholic schools wonderful religions wonderful professed popes prior vatican command legitimate sspx view pope commands legitimate slippery slope start studying major catholic theologians years spelled west excels critical thought remember catholic theologians busy centuries 
people married eyes organization bell labs lines article mcovingt michael covington writes article randerso sahs robert anderson writes opinions engaged couple married eyes unwilling public marriage ceremony distinguish real logistical problems stranded desert island excuses waiting brother back army ceremony disagree people marry commit fully life partners married ceremony assist emphasizing depth commitment hearts committed fears delusions fully giving living marriage years knew marriage existed scorebook moore 
certainty arrogance organization dept math lines darren nancy sweetie writes darren earlier article explained people find darren arrogant christians christians profess darren absolute certainty beliefs doctrines darren short problem matter good sources darren part doctrines beliefs rest darren thinking reasoning doctrines suspect point darren raises lutheran viewpoint reason gift infected reject reason darren reason darren pointed comprehend revelation bible reason sufficient comprehend word foremost faith sinful mind hostile submit romans luther accepted scripture sole means revelation sola scriptura accepted necessity reason faith comprehending revelation luther baptism reason rushes baptism dazzling works worthless large catechism fourth part baptism make matters complicated luther sort theologian people describe absolutist prisoners theologian conclude observations luther inconsistent surely conclusion recall jesus called peter felt compelled defend apostles charge drunkenness pentecost christians careful rejecting luther imitate bereans examined scriptures paul true acts basis confidence luther peter paul preached gospel reason faith holy spirit faith divorced reason faith guides informs reason spirit enables truth proclaim boldly preach message jesus risen dead redeemer lives christian side pilate truth christ fact reason born world testify truth side truth listens john truth promised truth jesus hold teachings disciples truth truth free john proverbs urge truth sell psalmist prayed snatch word truth mouth evidently believed word truth fact mouth arrogant claim truth motivated glorification present truth teachings scripture revealed spirit invention stand ready proved wrong basis scripture luther arrogant humble humbly trust promise truth trust promise forgiveness rexlex revelation rexlex absolute thing darren revelation stops darren reasoning begins possibility error appears agree make distinction clear teachings scripture products reason reasoning based scripture draw line distinction academically darren suppose modern bible translations darren include perfect rendering jesus words supper darren jesus body darren presume totally error darren absolutely true darren moment stops speaking people start darren interpreting possibility error appears darren literally record darren elaborated words thinking tran darren substantiation darren point making lutheran statement lord supper lutheran approach jesus body interpretations rejected simply taught scripture recall jesus words stand subject paul words corinthians passed received lord bread drink proclaim lord death words bread lord supper bread lord body senses fact prove tran substantiation false suppose paul spoke metaphorically lord body bread simply body appears thought found scripture reject primary reason rejecting tran substantiation prove false simply found scripture side remark told lutheran doctrine real presence substantiation lutherans told tend word professors comparative religion labels compare catholic lutheran reformed teachings lord supper church call teaching real presence traditional teaching church side remark darren christians speak reasoning darren lead astray implicitly claim darren infallible christians rarely darren implicit claim witnessing work darren person talking believes darren foolish recognise limits intentionally darren cover precisely christians rely rationalizations witnessing approach show scripture decide darren rexlex suggested people read darren silent francis schaeffer highly darren schaeffer grossly overrated darren evangelical christians darren opinion stop reading darren interested opinion suggest darren certainty ludwig wittgenstein long trading references suggest siegbert becker paperback foolishness place reason lutheran theology published northwestern publishing house book based becker doctoral thesis university chicago david wagner power confessional lutheran spirit lord almighty zechariah 
question jesus oneness organization massachusetts institute technology lines article bjorn larsen sintef writes basic reasons holding belief jesus vice versa foundations trinity bjorn love jesus proponents answer questions father jesus referring call pray father emphasize father kind follow return father order comforter holy spirit claims coming holy spirit blessing worth leaving returning father holy spirit christian prayer begin saviour heaven father answers questions plausible entertaining queries left exercise reader david tucker misunderstanding terms jesus originally context baptism folks baptism formula mentioning jesus father holy spirit doctrinal implications folks deny existence divinity father describe theology fact including classically called monophysite arian views beliefs consistent trinitarian standards trinitarian language misunderstand simply biblical 
daily verse lines lord descend heaven shout voice archangel trumpet dead christ rise alive remain caught meet lord lord thessalonians 
shaped hole accepting jeesus heart organization university waterloo lines article fraseraj glasgow andrew fraser writes people involved figure phrase shaped hole shaped vacuum effect generally attributed blaise pascal expressing basic truth things created emphasis mine created naturally vacuum fact chapter collosians brings status christ preeminence life alligned vacuum filled marc chamberland mchamberland uwaterloo 
radio free thulcandra dungeons dragons author view organization city university york lines recent discussion dungeons dragons role playing games crossover gamers science fiction fantasy fans mention editor publisher radio free thulcanra christian oriented science fiction fanzine christian magazine special interest science fiction science fiction fanzine special interest christianity gaming major topic discussion letters arguments satanic people reading working april issue send sample copy reader religion christian requests printed paper requests include snail mail address marty helgesen bitnet mnhcc internet mnhcc cuny thing hypothetical situation 
messiahs organization cornell university lines jesus jesus returns people miss version bible read mike jesus incarnate flesh jesus father jesus heaven post resurrection stint angels assured apostles jesus return coming jesus warned claiming jesus returns large parts faith nerve sheila patterson technical support cornell university ithaca 
revelations babylon reply littlejs rose hulman jeffrey organization computer science department rose hulman lines article jbuddenberg muskingum jimmy buddenberg writes bible study college revelations pretty good sort reasonable interpretation chapters talk woman beast fall babylon beast antichrist differ obvious woman represents babylon stands rome roman catholic church views interpretation falling babylon chapter babylon chapter catholic church hate step toes interesting interpretation revelation evangelist david wilkerson totally agree interpretation believable good food thought interprets babylon revelation good america supports claim ways babylon revelation world leader trade commerce world wept babylon fell american dollar japanese success century sought currency world destroyed world mourn bible talks babylon home harlots adultery paraphrasing babylon affected infected world state moral decay american culture hollywood spread feels good mentality world wilkerson strongest argument fact revelation calls babylon babylon great portrays powerful nation earth matter dissatisfied state country trouble agreeing powerful nation earth interpretation necessarily find worthy consideration jeffrey 
fterlife organization social science computing lines released time able comprehend lives toto visit moment time sequentially able alter actions thoughts feelings life perspective posit direct knowledge able recognize moment time wether experience lived life eternal torment lived life grace eternal resurrection body physical reconstitution present forms knowledge present forms fully cognizant souls restricted time present form immortality james sledd dimensions listen voice 
helphelp part reply cmgrawbu ncsu christopher grawburg organization north carolina state university project lines back person response positive negative read letter thought sorts responses marry reading bible prayer decided letter today told moving home state told find stores planning built marraige comment call proposal total joke marry transferred talk interpreted needless praying reading marraige bible dead married simply point christian work marraige figure wanrs touch years handle happen happen june meetinf relatives letter befoe forward guess wait pray decided folks totally wrote situation prayers finally wrote email address week anyhting curious folks chris 
agnostic question organization bell labs lines article boeing tomlinson jimt writes pardon wrong newsgroup describe agnostic single universal supreme surely judged lived good lives striving achieve goodness power complication friends fundamentalist issue feels responsibility proselytize guess faith great strain friendship disappoint afraid friendship danger examine good friend unwilling accept imortant part friends life call question faith friend changed found fills life decide friend accommodate life sounds criticizing fundamental belief bible quick reveal fundamental belief superstition knew interest light found understand special part life decide fundamentalists respect differences remain friends part ways stuck convert attitude surely intentions begin resent happen person tolerant fundamentalists idea simple black white approach life appealing happen share beliefs fundamentalists offended prosyletizing good conversations witnesses door switch beliefs home friendly face invite witnesses provide wonderful service conditioned religion unimportant witnessing obnoxious afraid converted swept fundamentalism weirdo friendship street respect friend including beliefs friendship continue moore 
bible unsuitable christians organization bell labs lines true read peter peter warns scriptures hard understand learned subject moore 
book organization storagetek engineering lines article bassili arizona amgad bassili writes point good books dead scrolls qumran advance reply mail boys hang christ eternal gospel robinson robinson dead scrolls lasor james habakkuk pesher eisenman maccabees quamran eisenman dead scrolls uncovered eisenman wise dead scrolls deception baigent leigh jesus riddle dead scrolls thiering jesus scroll joyce happy reading aboard poor wayfaring stranger strange strange land disclaimer employer opinion mine authorized roger holfeltz note list covers variety views good read book beware couple books list represent views unusual 
saint story aloysius gonzaga organization monash university melb australia lines heres story saint people read morning star posting permission editor saint aloysius gonzaga patron youth marquis gonzaga high aspirations prince gonzage wanted famous brave honoured soldier carry great family gonzaga famous brave honoured father imagined manner expected saint aloysius mother woman received immense praying meditating divine mysteries life lord time pleasures life saint aloysius grew began resemble mother father saint aloysius learned numerous expressions father soldiers moment discovered vulgar fainted shock shows immense hatred contempt time holy communion received archbishop milan charles borromeo great saint secrated purity asked blessed virgin protect innocence life wanted share lord suffering show reciprocal love started denying passions avoided eating finest foods wearing clothes pieces wood order mortify love early teens father younger brother court spanish king phillip obediently make mixed people royal court handsome polite intelligent interesting long time great soldier saint saint igna tius loyola founded society jesus jesuits saint aloysius began yearning finally told father marquis flew rage forbade priest short time father great cities order tempted priesthood trials saint aloysius grew desire religious life strengthened virtue purity marquis plans failing fronted obey forget foolish ness father evitable reply leave sight return change mind tears clouding eyes saint left room pray lord knelt flagellate times time onlooker rushed marquis brought proud senses lord lord gave consent jesuit years sixteenth century terri epidemic broke rome hospitals full house jesuits opened saint aloy sius hospitals prepare dying holy death saint aloysius contracted plague carrying nursing sick months burning fever finally june gave soul lord gazing crucifix invoke saint aloysius patron imitate humility purity confidence prayer saint aloysius gonzaga pray brendan arthur prayer person consecrated service sword soldier bless simon lines simon shields programmer viva cristo monash university college gippsland switchback churchill 
people married eyes reply cwru richard szanto organization case western reserve university cleveland lines previous article randerso sahs robert anderson opinions engaged couple married eyes publically announced plans marry made vows unswervingly committed realize subjective qualifier married joined sight discussed girlfriend married legally people sexually sexual relations decided marry eventually financial distance reasons legally married year half married life eyes faith strong relationship years full marry church find church living area marry find church community feel people commit marriage married bound commitment rick szanto polk speakers rock computer engineer suck personal case western zeta rules reserve university 
pastoral authority reply rick granberry rick granberry organization motorola paging telepoint systems group lines controversy denomination authority vested pastor forming opinion solicing opinions references general reference exclude responses denominations based biblical teachings understand church independent protestant follow ecclesiastical authority church discuss roles deacons elders replies answer fool folly thou answer fool folly wise conceit proverbs 
hell organization purdue university engineering computer network lines stated atheist christian recent discussion atheists hell combined post group effect hell interested consensus judge catholic told buddhist heaven people atheists pagans assume lumped category hellbound judge opinions 
certainty arrogance lines article included quote substantial number talk religion misc readers read wittgenstein postings disappear understood wittgenstein disappear michael siemon called boundary wrote quote arrogant convention called smiley supposed sideways smiley face preceding comment supposed funny note participated talk religion misc years siemon meat reply boundary serves excellent meant loop wrote human brains infested trusted limited circumstances reply boundary wrote differ properly formed conscience trusted virtually time moves problem back level conscience properly formed presuppose capable judging formed ness conscience words conscience properly formed assume evaluation trusted assuming conclusions saves time grant valid reasoning infallible judgements thinking conscience properly formed supposed boundary paradigm problem purpose church necessity infallible interpreter divine revelation church christianity bunch divisive sects church necessity infallible interpreter divine revelation argument argument mistakes write minds finite susceptible error competence arriving inductive insights confidence ability distinguish true true areas subject experimental method huge difference confidence ability distinguish true true infallible confident things absolute certainty long confident discussion arrogance claiming absolutely check subject line absolutely significantly confident confident invites people limited circumstances absolutely invites people dismiss idea fallibility meet believed knowably infallible source truth admit possibility errors reasoning claimed infallible result convince idea darren provine kilroy rowan discussion relevant original criticism feeling original poster regarded arrogant idea wrong answers religion difference eternal consequences hell significant danger ending admit reasoning processes reach fallible principle wrong basic facts taught bible misinterpreting order level confidence frame statement sufficiently carefully sidestep number controversial issues haven christians hell attempted describe hell detail feeling view regarded arrogant intolerant acknowledge fallible chance wrong wrong genuinely arrogant christians criticism justified cases criticisms constitute blaming messenger universe eternal consequences decisions fault telling immoral setting things critiques christianity find difficult respond arrogance truth 
latest branch davidians organization university missouri lines aaron brandeis scott aaron writes article conditt arlut utexas paul conditt wrote people faith mere claim prophet pose question thinking distinguishes true religion cults speaking generally specifially christianity jerry falwell good morning america tuesday ostensibly answer question basically true religion message cult person christianity cult message christianity person jesus distinguishes branch davidian cult presbyterian church doctrinal differences answer question imho answer differences davidians christians follow feet jesus disciples basically gave career possibly family bunch follow jesus difference plain jesus good david koresh problem legislate good terms principles instance thousands laws governing legal hard bring people justice find legal trust judges administer justice fairly justice judges complicated system involving precedent bunches stuff attempt make imperfect justice perfect hear justice system tells opposite true problem tend judge presentation material presented ranting christian eloquent person religion good american desire protect constitution costs people things message important presenting false message mild mannered performing tremendous disservice rambling guess principles davidians wrong wrong follow worship person important choose person simple choose jesus choose wrong jesus begotten jesus stephen 
serbian genocide work organization social science computing lines serbs work wondering question governments united states europe moving ethnic cleansing serbs targets muslims accomplish tasks tasks punative james sledd cute working 
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rise organization claremont graduate school lines article gatech boundary writes anecedotal material ultimately shows experience modern proselytism rabbi told talmudic tradition wanted convert judaism turned times continue accepted 
losing temper christian trait organization whuzzat lines sheila patterson writes suspected human desire christ christians critical christians remind people withering tree jesus driving money changers temple instances christ showing anger part human side jeff johnson 
organization netcom line communication services guest lines qualms postings engage conversation joel deluging expect cards suggest qualms order knowing situation impossible evaluate appropriateness writing folks check zeal time imho requests nature made oneself approves idea intrusive disrespectful individual revdak 
prayers advice requested family problem organization eskimo north lines cloak sustaining abiding love pray pray pray pray brother assume godly role pray sister driving separate brother rest family healed pray give peace knowledge able description require devine intervention realization brother responsibilities seek godly counsel pastor spiritually mature believer akways conforter give wisdon direction call 
lines prior article lmvec william hargreaves writes opinion saved faith taught romans square mind teachings james conjunction lukewarm christian spat agree good works role generally find camps faith works salvation faith salvation works works required salvation faith inevitably result good works opinion salvation faith based ephesians romans conclude james read context teaching bullet james speaks justification claim speaking declaring believing sinner innocent sight paul word speaking sinner profession faith justified proven display good works james abscence works evidence dead useless faith fails save james problem doctrine salvation faith teaching works place merit salvation evidence true faith dave weaver fool weaver gain lose elliot number possibilities reformers believed salvation faith works suspect things tied diagram form justice 
people married reply eugene bigelow organization microsystems lines article randerso sahs robert anderson writes opinions engaged couple married eyes unwilling public marriage ceremony 
arrogance christians reply eugene bigelow organization microsystems lines belief belief wrong belief simply belief means unfortunatly christians taught religion extreme religion accept teachings saved takes arrogance claim thinks based interpretation book logic statement faulty assumes people differing beliefs correct perception people alike people perceive truth call truth universal truth call presents truth prayer meditation inspir ation dreams people perceive truth differently wrong question glass half empty half full answers contradictory correct belief true require belief wrong person convincing evidence save christians hard criticize arrogance wrong arrogance closer suppose combination prophets messiahs taught things exclusivity believes damned criticize arrogance case exclusivity message prophets wrong believing called arrogant world soft place choices eternal consequences calling christian message arrogant sense sense calling gravitation arrogant give option fall jump building christians passing complaints making christians wrong arrogant 
proof resurection organization computer science dept university london lines article reedr claremont writes christ captialist polluted enviorment strict obedience gensis command subdue earth nazi justly punished jews killing christ funny quote genesis treated anti christians christians firm command destroy earth prove taking quotes context bible book doubt find single case anti ecological action taking place specifically perpetrator motivated christian belief nazis motivated german nationalism christianity fact despised christianity weak pacifist religion keen pagan glorification strength warfare killed jews germans christ killers keen killing german ethnic minority romanies gypsies matthew huntbach 
sspx schism organization lines cleef writes papacy infallible matter faith pope wrong hand matter faith matter church obey pope legal head church words doctrine infallibility choice obey primary problem church today heresy call infallibilism idea pope virtually place country pope infallible specific defined conditions conditions make mistakes make mistakes couple historical examples mind bishop robert grosseteste greatest product english catholic church point career reigning pope decided install nephews english bishop grosseteste happen dead body words treat popes respect wrong problem nephew collect income foot deprive people shepherd bishop grosseteste pope john xxii pope middle ages decided souls saved enjoy beatific vision judgement decided defined doctrine church defining compatible catholic doctrine pope doctrine criticised church number opponents jail admit mistake shortly died recanted successor made exact opposite idea dogma church consult great catholic theologians treat subjects robert bellarmine doctor church find detailed discussions pope personally fall heresy schism teaching theologians commands pope resisted detriment catholic faith pope authority purpose building catholic church commands conflict purpose legal moral force 
arrogance christians organization case western reserve univ cleveland ohio lines article hayesstw unisa steve hayes writes similar analogy medical doctor believes blood transfusion save life child parents jehovah witnesses conscientious objections blood transfusion doctor efforts persuade agree blood transfusion perceived arrogant precisely christians perceived arrogant truth belief blood transfusion save life child irrelevant matters doctor believes true foce beliefs parents perceived arrogance carry step doctors claim infallible generally admit conceivably wrong case blood tranfusion turn doctors confidence conviction claim genuine concern fallible human beings acknowledge possibility wrong doubts reasonable stand convictions virgilio dean velasco department electrical applied physics cwru graduate student roboticist training wannabee bullwinkle intimidating referee boss jewish carpenter 
reply rick granberry rick granberry organization motorola paging telepoint systems group lines article lmvec william hargreaves writes commited christian battling problem romans talks saved faith deeds hebrews james faith deeds useless fools believing fully believing life totally lead romans person saved faith scenario believing living part believing intellectually waiting important remember judge committed judge guess closest situation listening statements fallible sense communion preferes cold condemned lukewarm christian believes doesn make attempt live bible passage remember letter church laodicea people body christ talks works translation lack concern makes sick point throwing opinion saved faith taught romans square mind teachings james conjunction lukewarm christian spat saving faith faith catch meanings offer explanation jesus fire cold knew made aware separation admonishment children eternal damnation answer fool folly thou answer fool folly wise conceit proverbs 
cell church discussion group organization university illinois dept comp urbana lines jodfishe indiana joseph dale fisher writes define cell church missed past brought cell church fundamental building block cell group small group believers small groups responsible ministry church evangelism discipleship emphasis relationships programs evangelism discipling relationship based raise questions answered nutshell reid fool reid uiuc gain lose elliot 
proof resurection organization shlrc macquarie university lines article reedr claremont writes fail note intense suffering devastation wrecked world christians christ captialist polluted enviorment strict obedience gensis command subdue earth nazi justly punished jews killing christ progroms innocent women burned alive accordance witch live moslems killed crusades fearing destroyed inquistion religious wars spain france england christianity undoubtedly caused suffering needless loss life individuals certainity instructions unquestionable grieve randy interesting presented misleading argument christianity massacres horrific injustices relate fault people misunderstand jesus christ message modify suit beliefs aims alter ambitions line presented desirable testament truthful good message carries authority implied authority inevitable fact people understand distorted inevitable consequences bible message love people people redeemable preaches message repentance giving people deceitful hearts capable turning message contorting unbelievable ways fundamental christian doctrine problems world eyes western history find cases massacres instigated people claimed christian justify massacres pointing tendency present humans world christianity doubt freedoms countries live peaceful doctrines jesus christ confronted harsh religion mind freedom speech debate subjects point blame inherent human tendencies thirst power greed hatred point blame message preaches fundamental giving denial love christ andrew mcveigh line questioning presented strangely compatible christian christianity encourages question behaviour world christians praise jesus christ fact doubt beliefs back forgiven time time andrew mcveigh 
catholic church poland organization california institute technology lines article zwart writes writing paper role catholic church poland church abortion religious education schools article clari news religion days polish tribunal decision crucifixes religious classes public schools children religion class forced ethics class substitute larry henling caltech 
rise reply organization hfsi lines article reedr claremont writes basic problem argument total complete reliance biblical text luke account highly suspect refer hermeneia commentary acts luke account written years fact meantime mentions died attempts find actual written sources text section portion acts firmly established pauls account events acts recorded galatians fail establish acts accounts independent proof luke account valid find strange negation truth direct historical evidence mentioned back assertion made unequivocally christian sufferred faith believing resurrection luke account suggests absence direct eyewitnesses claim luke mistaken suggest unequivocal assertion suspect randy john technical consultant internet uucp uunet hfsi westpark drive voice mclean original claim limited answer claim witnesses lying willign suffer beliefs show christian suffered believing resurrection issue witnessed agree posting responding shows liberal conservative dogmatism 
sabbath admissions organization florida state university lines thread talk religion religion christian bible study interest amazed biblical argument oppose sabbath present question mind answered scripture provide response talk sabbath ceremonial answer commandments parts biblical basis decided sabbath portion ceremonial seventh sabbath applicable gentile christians sabbath commandment annulled references intend requirements jews applicable gentile christians make plain gentiles grafted commonwealth israel darius acts loop point classic situations sides clear scriptural support obvious argument change mind repeating 
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rise organization university north carolina extended bulletin board service lines article oser wustl scott oser writes simplest refutations impact record impact testament guarantee books accurate recorded impact happened find interesting contemporary source records eclipse earthquake temple curtain torn earliest written claim jesus resurrection pauline epistles written sooner years supposed event impact eyes discussing major impact early church bears testimony impact probable displayed body jesus knew personally explanation body stolen disciples graverobbers bother point guards appears gospel sort thing early christians make order counter grave robbing charge testament record jews believed body stolen guards effectively made claim knew forget jesus jews romans troublemaker pilate fool additional headaches fishermen stealing jesus body make arisen jesus buried grave sanhedrin buried begs question disciples stole body moment maintain knew deliberate disciples talking dying firmly truth unbeknown talking dying beheading stoning crucifixion position disciples stealing body lightweight graverobbers risk severe penalties grave robbing body jesus buried great riches argument discounted leaves back square happened body gene opinions expressed necessarily university north carolina chapel hill campus office information technology experimental bulletin board service internet launchpad comment plausible christian scenario typically suggested sceptics knowledgeable resurrection subjective event empty tomb stories result accounts growing telling 
hell reply organization hfsi lines article seeker born minute writes depend heaven king eternity heaven consists giving praise king hell read lovely account missionary hand loved king loved point assuring eternal time spent eternal ecstasy choice dana john technical consultant internet uucp uunet hfsi westpark drive voice mclean 
rise reply organization hfsi lines article reedr claremont writes article luomat timothy luoma writes article suppose part christian consipracy people christ risen mind stoning burned alive crucifixion talk scourging whip broken pottery metal flogged beaten burned lions killed belief resurrection disappoint vastly oversimplifying things early christians suffered totures witness christ speech persuaded called apostles flogged ordered speak jesus apostles left sanhedrin rejoicing counted worthy suffering disgrace appears jewish rulers time aversion hearing jesus gave strict orders teach filled jerusalem teaching determined make guilty blood finally apostle death james zebedee rome hand martyr stephen idea resurrection found host forms religions antiquity problem resurrection mediorce issue tiny fragment jewish population problem believed resurrection jesus stood preached ministry earth extremely difficult people plotted kill randy john technical consultant internet uucp uunet hfsi westpark drive voice mclean 
arrogance christians reply carleton mark baker organization national capital freenet lines previous article monash article carleton mark baker writes demand scintific rational proof existence deny existence science reason nature prove blindly deny part makes question exist awareness reason ability reason ignorant animals earth things visible believeing blindly blindness deny reason insist reason draws conclusions evidence decide advance reason evidence physical senses reason possibility reaching conclusion physical sphere provocative inconclusive conclusion physical sphere explanatory christians claim received kind evidence call faith gift evidence evidence thing chooses reveal hide evidence senses ting exists reasoning evidence senses christians reason evidence faith claim evidence wholly consistent evidence senses evidence senses part revelation necessarilly case knowledge route senses physical providing evidence physical realities physical realities type senses senses exist provide valid evidence reason work senses senses impaired people spiritually blind sense belief sight disbelief blind science reason prove faith faith picture hinduism valid christianity faith opposed reason simply source evidence reason operate clear human beings systems explaining evidence physical senses similarly systems explaining evidence provided faith religious believers general christians reason sift evidence clearer understanding evidence provided faith science claims good reason valid system explaining physical universe christianity claims good reason valid system possessed evidence explaining gods revelations doubt christians reason read newsgroup rational debate aplenty mark baker task jungles carleton irrigate deserts lewis 
tuff christian organization university louisville lines writing anonymously asks christian indoctrinated parents learned religion make comparative study claim brain washed christian indoctrinated parents studied buddhism fairly carefully religions lesser degree made decision accept truth claims christianity thought point process purely cold rational powerful experiential element calvinist rest assured responsibility outcome conversion years years happen objections poster puts forward grew shadow generic authoritarian conservative denomination knew life adopt gradually learned christianity brush realized suddenly cold winter night accepted heretofore rejected brain washed bill hovingh 
hebrew grammar texts choose english german organization university louisville lines phil sells writes tired horse slightly twist wanted good english language texts learning ancient hebrew compare german educational texts qualitywise idea figure study wait back impression advanced work german reference works lexicons concordances time encounter personal preference deal textbook written native language german germany pick reference books handle works reputation german rusty books koehler lexicon mandeldern concordance jenni westermann theological dictionary divinity schools seminaries states language instruction basis comparison amount language instruction seminaries varies widely depending denominational heritage school presbyterian reformed seminaries place emphasis biblical languages divinity school doctoral program biblical studies extensive language resources masters degree granting seminaries attitude interested give semester long understand pattern louisville presbyterian seminary year students intensive week introductory language courses language semester long exegesis courses hebrew august exegesis fall greek january exegesis spring courses required graduation half students advanced biblical work requires language work 
people married eyes organization university california diego lines article writes lewis wedding principals marry church state present witnesses lewis summary standard catholic theology presence witnesses optional situations standard desert island originally wrote person asked question personally decided post information topic spoke pastor parish catholic recently coincidence subject explaination couple marry presence priest important recognized church church recoginizes community believers members church degree held accountable hypothetical mythical couple desert island places world priests availible marriages regular basis couples married priest present priest testify marriage area remember religion teacher high school marriage ceremony benefit couple benefit community married couples responsibility community stay married divorce sets community couple vowed community able rely couple couples marry witnesses anulments priest present anulment simply admission church declared marriage fact marriage reason start married back seat station wagon giving anulments half hour tend agree response back couples married consumate marriage couples marriage consumated intended married assuming partners sexual couple prepared raise children result sexual benefit parents commitment eyes digressing malcusco 
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religion religion organization computing services university warwick lines family religious singing christmas carols limit believed heaven exist sort undecided people guess thinking wondered religious people convinced feel believing things proof wondered brought religious families believed understand belief faith strong question frequently crosses mind religion correct choose religion christian exists gods religions feel people follow religions atheists people agnostics suppose respect religion accept beliefs valid contradiction religions religion valid respect religious follow religion christian scriptures correct events bible supposed happened supposed stories morals showing true christian behave generally follow christian ideas suppose fairly universal religions killing stealing loving neighbour expression part find hard actual belief finally attitude people generally fairly good people surely believing make worse person find wondering strongly find religion waffled writing ideas head repeated paul simmons discussion evidence christianity recently prefer respond email posting 
sabbath admissions organization duck pond public unix guest lines wrote response dlecoint acns darius lecointe clear paul comments esteeming paul interpretation words paul higher priority direct word jesus matt paul begins romans weak faith count weak faith accept darius honor lord equally accept esteem days alike similarly honor lord bible jesus paul closes romans hand person doubts eats guilty acting faith failure faith gaus isbn read commandments portion read jesus word matt doubt mind greek hamartia missing mark clear unambiguous proof regular christian worship responses passages cited commandments jesus words matt fairly clear difficulty passages talking nnregular christian meetings explicitly gathered sunday worship pieces information aimed answering question matt answer question christians houses acts darius confusion acts occuring sunday gathered paul gathered breaking bread breaking bread roughly synonymous eating obvious reading week simply means time gather worship unite concept commandments jesus word matt reason implications clear statements authors assumed readers knew christian worship assumed commandments jesus word matt stood strong faith paul overrule paul writing largely gentile audience regarded jews time binding jews gentiles rules binding human beings called noachic laws minimal issue church face jesus death gentiles wanted follow christ decision impose abolished simply acknowledged fact apply gentiles contradiction paul jewish christians continue participate jewish worship sabbath continued obey issue gentile christians covered ceremonial aspects jesus dealt jews assume directed jewish audience interact gentiles times centurion slave healed couple terms describe centurion luke suggest fearer gentile adopted jewish commended jewish elders worthy person jesus accepted jesus accepted prevailing view gentiles accept involved compare jesus paul order full picture role grips paul apparent rejection relates jesus commendation read paul serves purpose sense superceded issue abolition middle discussion paul notes understood assures intends sees primarily present convict people sinfulness ultimately impossible standard superceded christ paul comments world clearest agrees reading interesting thing notice radical position entail abolition remains uncompromising standard iota removed purpose convicting important relaxed christians ultimately live faith theoretical categories jesus paul similar conclusion quoted passage context rest sermon mount jesus shows interprets iota suggest literal reading fact jesus approach jesus interpretations emphasize intent stay ceremonial details taking free attitude sabbath kosher laws scholars claim context cent jewish discussions jesus accuses opponents caring giving tenth minor herbs neglecting things matter justice mercy faith caring cups plates cleaned fact inside people full extortion rapacity discussion suggest jesus specific view mind talks maintaining full strength thinking aspects paul conclusion similar talks superceded specific examples involve ceremonial circumcision sabbath concerned maintaining moral standards result paul talks superceded jesus talks maintained talking aspects paul embroiled arguments circumcision natural letters responding specific situations aspect causing trouble specifically jewish ceremonies intend abolish divine standards conduct hand jesus commends talking broadest implications morals human relationships deemphasizing aspects give paul trouble unfortunate people terms ways familiar current conflicts terms family values special meaning current context imagine poor historian future figure family values code word opposition homosexuality specific period similar role arguments paul involved paul rejecting jewish values term people concerned family values movement opposed family values 
people married eyes organization programs university georgia athens lines article michael davis writes honoring laws state people perceive culturally insensitive declare married civil ceremony couple unwilling commitment publicly witnessed recorded prima facie evidence commitment michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio 
immaterial afterlife hell real organization math stats dalhousie university halifax canada lines article goer uchicago writes thought died simply sheol notion heaven christianization based parts speak immaterial afterlife richard goerwitz goer midway bitnet goer uchicago rutgers oddjob ellis goer bible teaching immaterial afterlife taught jews christians found notion incomprehensible christians resurrection body material simply stuff made elements love stan armstrong religious studies dept saint mary university halifax armstrong stmarys clyde watmath water dalcs armstrng 
sspx schism organization land garg lines jhpb budd lake joseph buehler catholics decide side pope soundness papacy infallible eventually pope straighten hand unsoundness short term popes wrong catholics situation obeying wrong fact situation grave obeying wasting great opportunity failing love christ heroic time badly logic excapes papacy infallible matter faith pope wrong hand matter faith matter church obey pope legal head church words doctrine infallibility choice obey infallibility doctrine infallibility pope catholic theologians acknowledge number occasions pope wrong aspects infallibility general concept long church protected error impossible wrong turns time specific concept papal infallibility specific circumstances papal statement infallible small fraction statements meet criteria absolve catholics duty obey ordinary teachings pope teachings made explicitly infallible 
christian christianity organization california institute technology lines article rutgers mussack writes universe exist find pascal wager spend lives searching wasted lives meaningless suppose universe billion years suppose lasts billion years suppose live small scary searching friends earth scared find view christianity disheartening idea life meaning importance creator basis belief logic appalling exist heard line reasoning prevalent modern society people convinced life hopeless pollsters newscasts state good reason religious meaning join cult waco leaders give security blanket desire larry henling caltech 
christian parenting lines sociology student researching young offenders groups children raised home moment formlulating information discipline christian home parent catagory email response questionaire responses treated confidentially prepare stats ages sexes children spank kids implement spank spank method discipline location commit criminal offence disciplined advance reply make mail replies post newsgroup hope obvious responses question problems research purposes readers random sample christians form information stratified sample familiar research methods correspond 
anger organization indiana university lines article news writes paul conditt writes insert deletion paul aaron discourse anger galatians obvious speaking acts flesh speaking emotions emotions moral immoral good emotions step label emotion good numb hide true feelings accept accepts colossians ephesians emotions controlled puts strong emphasis control paul write timothy making teach control insert deletion remainder paragraph aaron quick judge forgiven aids dealt responsibility feelings made choices action feelings anger read issue control feelings actions actions stem feelings instances giving anger moore fisher 
tuff christian organization indiana university lines article mdbs writes bissda lawrence bissell writes people understand christian churches life total sacrafice sake loved save typical statement irrational brainwashed person bible written male chavnist thousands years holy books follow parts suitable modern life ignore heaven sake literally leave heaven sake pray literally intended view groups appears correct point view found group meeting requirements laid bible means disciple jesus clue mail touch inspires turn lives tuff people real christian strong persevere insert deletion ranting religions center original context familiar point turn disciple clue taught turned follow jesus blocked difficult doctrine taught uncaring pharisees teachers jesus pointed takes follow disciple luke luke question people ignore command treat optional answer insert deletion parting question christian indoctrinated parents learned religion make comparative study claim brain washed parents attacking responses disagree tone appears judgmental statements possibly point slander talking people response state flying handle discourse discussed happier time responses 
interdisc bible research inst organization temple university lines interdisciplinary bible research institute operating hatfield interested theories earth opposed young earth evolution master charley seek find things piercing pleasure seek pleasure find boredom disillusionment enslavement john white eros defiled note accept discussions evolution dedicated group talk origins 
helphlphelphelp reply cmgrawbu ncsu christopher grawburg organization north carolina state university project lines long pleas read glad decided read problem people details ahead sound meets problem totally year sophmore ncsu years family vacationing coast cottage rented street whistle erin friends week beach writing years period years lost contact erin lives kansas year letters coming back family drove hours begins spent erin days life writing person incredible woman year older person world person incredibly beautiful mention league unattractive mind great personality great sence humor family families church extent christianity kind people christian idea thing love sight found year thought letters erin finding dates true problems home folks split ended leaving school present give part letter week explain life anymore college clicking greek life taking classes interested idea life interested medical physical therpy love working kids work university parents working full time bass store bass shoes part time local daycare work infant room enjoyed spices week great experience planning back school future main reason indecision study definatley plan back couple years idea thing kansas noew discussing promotion boss district manager train store work months assistant manager basically list stores newly built chose manage pretty decided carolinas hopeully close beach years abou opinion pretty temporary good thye management experience good application resume company solid treats employees good benefits bonuses medical plans year full time service reimburse tuition school money waitng paying state tuition chris decision respect opinion completely lost soo long opportunity sounded good life reatil management earning year year female career decisions solve problem marry pilot thing make happiest worry home life uptight meant marraige thing dream night marrying mentions letter move carolina search bass store aske carolina pick people graduate high school married stress exams fact date beacause time college women wrapped social scene greeks whic christian support greek thing stunned attracted paying real attention move sophmore struggling classes prayed past year time time situation open sign moree makes worse call terrible phone talk friends longer minutes perfect average confused chris feeling talk chris directly email 
education organization netcom lines article jviv midland chevron john viveiros writes spend significant amount time correcting errors reliability tests condoms abstinence years famous study showed failure rate condoms study showed failure rate abstinence adult couples relied abstinence prevent pregnancy pregnant alarming numbers willpower abstain thinking work high school kids told planned parenthood siecus style values free methods teach contraceptive technology advise kids make choices increase pregnancy rates posted long article back happy email copy interested article included sources contact information research verifying statements outstanding source info acquiring abstinence related curricula single copy quantities home research produced results abstinence related curricula found decrease pregnancy rates teens assume reasonable assume aids rate fluctuate pregnancy rate difference contraceptive technology values taught children siecus curricula taught kids legitimate choices abstinence related curricula taught legitimate choices abstinence values system strongest determinent behavior behavior kids track record abstinence related curricula suppressed favor curricula produce effect contrary desired question discussion textbooks teach safe drug kids drug abstinence class drugs safely choose drugs increase drug drug abstinence education barred schools teaches religion abandoning children drugs instruction safe kellett jkellett 
accepting jeesus heart organization bell northern research ottawa canada lines article johnsd writes article rutgers jayne guild jayne kulikauskas writes drugs replacement christ empty spot shaped hole hearts ease pain heard claim times shaped hole business effective substance abuse recovery programs involve meeting peoples spiritual provide evidence time make claim step programs alcoholics anonymous steps involves acknowleding higher power step abuse recovery programs acknowledged effective evidence dismissed stating defect personality makes substance abusers makes people religious debunker acknowledge religious crutch drug addict maintain escapism suspect atheists find substance abuse preferable christianity essential problem communication christ ians atheists christians necessarily incomplete needing shaped hole atheists necessarily sufficient atheists christians guilty morally weak cowardly stand christians atheists guilty considerable arrogance term atheist refer person definite conviction opposed care seanna watson bell northern research pray living seanna ottawa ontario canada philosophies creeds find people busy opinion opinions opinions planting trees sowing seeds mine knew left fred kaan spelled sowing author iteration keeper 
good organization math stats dalhousie university halifax canada lines article luomat writes dumb christians live requirements wrong understanding spending lives reach goal achieve saved faith works saved james tells faith works dead paraphrase work long good things miss point love love loves find good sign harder romans sign seek aware jesus presence strenth love empowers weakness stan armstrong religious studies dept saint mary university halifax armstrong stmarys clyde watmath water dalcs armstrng 
justifiable exist organization university otago lines netters question discussion thing justifible love basis scripture wrong justifiable things started outline question high school days involved zealand cadet forces rotc understand emphasis military career training extremely enamoured flying involved sport gliding great interest military aviation hardware real flyer favourite computer games accurate simulations military aircraft past present christian years time rejected military activity immoral complete opposition commandments love enemies iraq found great excitement listening reports effectiveness attacks aviation technology admire stealh bomber strike aircraft concluded began enjoy simulations based conflict great bomb saddam weapons plants computer shoot simulation death people wonderful game imagine real pilots view real thing language personal impact building people aircraft flown pilot simply target dead civilians collateral damage euphanisms removing reality people support continued waging vietnam important public opinion troops sponsored united nations entering somalia prospect military intervention muslim croat serb conflict yugoslavia revulsion siege sarajevo days bout spelling sebrenitsa caused rethink stand justifiable list wars years justifible simply reactions cases benefit impartiality history brings state reasons reaction historian excuse historical blunders working popular history zealand world murder jews hitler stopped massive civilian casualties sides dresden hiroshima nagasaki justifiable korean political expansionism north korea basically communism capitalism justifiable vietnam worsened involvement vietnamese invasion cambodia genocide khmer rouge justifiable iraq desert storm political expansionism threat world supply factors genocide justifiable future involvement bosnia genocide called ethnic cleansing emotive coverage atrocities civilian casualties justifiable future nuclear weapons tactical strategic world response libya israel feelings simple nuclear weapons abhorrent love zealand government stand banning nuclear armed powered warships port justifiable views looked scripture confused view based scripture naahh wrong answers alastair thomson phone chief programmer black albatross porject university otago department computer science mail alastair otago athomson dunedin nextmail zealand loved world gave place eternal life john paraphrase 
couple married organization university alaska lines marriage commissioner alaska court system sort justice peace great difficulty duty pray earnestly courthouse bathroom ceremonies couples fulfill true holiness divine purpose marriage couples realize marriage institution state gradually conclude acting strictly secular public capacity established state expectations couples involved conducting purely secular legal civil event greater moral religious implications conducting civil trial couple told ceremony hurry helped conclusion thought neatly rationalized clear sharp distinction marriage marriage state deal divorce keeping matthew mind felt state business dissolving marriage established assumed jurisdiction nonetheless proposing answers question issue logical extension intercourse mental intent parties ceremony church combination thereof establishes marriage moment dissolved karl thoennes university alaska 
divine providence murphy lines romans works good love called purpose murphy wrong familiar amplifications commentary murphy harmonize romans matter humor contradicted scripture rolfe rolfe rolfe 
accepting jesus heart organization intergraph corporation huntsville lines religion christianity drug people drugs escape reality christians inject jeezus live high christianity mark 
sequel organization kulikauskas home lines thinking idea raised michael covington words etymology reflecting words meant childhood tracing shaped attitudes grew home christ word people angry word christian meant carried connotations otherness threat enemy time figure connection christ christian accepted jesus expected disowned christian meant join enemy knew traitor level agreed prepared price esau sold birthright made bargain stew incomparable riches knowing christ turned parents disown found hoping phase grow time decided phase sort disown completely accept situation wedding church visited grandmother hospital days death concerned meant loved forgave christian concede likes chicken soup matzoh balls kosher celebrate sabbath saturday sons circumcised things true people jews rules make people jews heritage past gave past find hard relate messianic jews experience unlike mine jews jesus stage life heritage valued gave sense giving small sacrifice unnecessary sacrifice gave back heritage born outcast house israel member church things catholic christian rich tradition feeling rooted past reasons people mess christian traditions changing easter traditions fill important emotional mine suppose point people assume believers jewish background jewish christian good oxymoron jayne kulikauskas jayen guild 
tuff christian reply noye uchicago organization university chicago lines article mdbs writes bissda lawrence bissell writes inspires turn lives tuff people real christian strong persevere easy muslim buddhist good points buddhism deleted christianity true christianity hard follow faithfully discounts validity difficulty religions admire religion make kind sacrifices dedicate spiritually talking deleted leave crap woman created helper christianity christians story literally sounds supporting policy helps faith word bible literally support respect time rush christianity life church week helping poor people time units work time sports social life boxes turn robertson brain washers number turn pledges alive inside boxes judge christianity judge christianity jesus makes sense point lives boxes true comment robertson carried boxes created parting question christian indoctrinated parents learned religion make comparative study claim brain washed raised agnostic father baptised raised atheist atheist found close mindedness present viewpoint parents equal close mindedness found viewpoint christians contact free choose live life supported decision made join episcopal church emphasized respect beliefs result intruding beliefs convert decision flames advice convert good friends hindi greatly respect beliefs culture surrounding religion friend jewish held profound resepct jewish religion chaim potok isaac bashevis singer favorite authors make kind generalization christians choose choose faith consciously accepted faith adult lives confirmation represents talk brainwashed vera choose decide made choice rush freewill 
agnostic question reply noye uchicago organization university chicago lines friend feel pressured continual discussions topic surely feel pressured feel uncomfortable christianity choice make realize friendship feels missing great learn christianity make choice choice respected personally christian mission christ showing faith happiness faith make people talk imposing beliefs definitions imposing differ hope made clear correct vera clock bind today vera noyes religion strong noye uchicago trinity disclaimer lard patrick breastplate disclaim 
sspx schism organization lines material michael davies subject schism general archishop lefebvre wrote part part article scandalous activities archbishop weakland country pared rest relevant buehler schism disobedience thomas aquinas schism consists primarily refusal submission pope communion members church united sight subjective motivation archbishop discussed state objective schism refused submit pope grave matter involving supreme power jurisdiction standard catholic textbooks theology make clear schisms involve disobedience acts disobedience schismatic noted beginning article number american bishops schismatic reach double figures distinction disobedience schism made clear article schism authoritative dictionnaire theologie catholique article father yves congar friend archbishop lefebvre explains schism disobedience similar confused father congar writes schism involves refusal accept existence legitimate authority church luther rejection papacy father congar explains refusal accept decision legitimate authority instance constitute schism disobedience catholic encyclopedia explains catholic schismatic intend sever church lies adds disobedience schism order possess character include transgression command superiors denial divine command lefebvre deny divine pope command affirms repeatedly recognition pope authority intention breaking rome archbishop made attitude clear july august issue days pray pope changed consecrations june sedevacantists recognize john paul legitimate pope catholic church heretical pope modernist actions favor heresy intrinsically schismatic principal argument claiming lefebvre schism consecration bishop papal mandate intrinsically schismatic bishop carries consecration claimed ipso facto schismatic true consecration intrinsically schismatic involved penalty excommunication code canon offence punished suspension canon code pope pius raised penalty excommunication response establishment schismatic church china consecration illicit chinese bishops differed radically consecrations carried lefebvre professed intention repudiate authority pope deny govern church illicitly consecrated chinese bishops mandate exercise apostolic mission archbishop lefebvre bishops consecrated claim powers jurisdiction consecrated solely purpose ensuring survival society carrying ordinations perform confirmations minimize gravity step lefebvre consecration bishops papal mandate matter ordination priests involves refusal practice primacy jurisdiction belonging divine roman pontiff archbishop argue crisis afflicting church grave grave measures needed response appears granted archbishop critics excommunicated offense schism vatican guilty fostering impression modicum truth allegation code canon includes section beginning canon entitled penalties specific offenses poenis singula dicta part deals offenses religion unity church delictis contra religionem ecclesiae unitatem canon deals offense schism evidently apostasy heresy fundamental offenses unity church archbishop excommunicated terms canon canon involving offense religion unity church canon cited excommunication section penalties specific offenses entitled usurpation ecclesial functions offenses exercise munerum ecclesiasticorum usurpatione degue delictis iniis exercendis canon question canon reads bishop consecrates bishop person receives consecration bishop pontifical mandate incur automatic latae sententiae excommunication reserved holy scandalous attempts smear archbishop lefebvre offense schism contrary truth charity comparable smear civil opposed ecclesiastical justify legal action libel involving massive damages accurate parallel state convicted manslaughter convicted degree murder stress written dubious opinion laymen unversed intricacies canon canon lawyers shred sympathy lefebvre repudiated charge schism made totally untenable father patrick yaldrini dean faculty canon institut catholique paris noted july issue valeurs actuelles explained lefebvre excommunicated schism usurpation ecclesiastical function added consecration bishop constitutes schism conferral apostolic mission illicitly consecrated bishop usurpation powers sovereign pontiff proves intention establishing parallel church cardinal rosalio lara president pontifical commission authentic interpretation canon commented consecrations july issue repubblica hard imagine authoritative opinion cardinal wrote consecrating bishop papal mandate schismatic fact code deals offenses divided sections deals offenses religion unity church apostasy schism heresy consecrating bishop pontifical mandate contrary offense exercise specific ministry case consecrations carried vietnamese archbishop dinh thuc archbishop excommunicated considered committed schismatic intention breach church simply unjust ludicrous suggest consecrating bishops papal mandate archbishop lefebvre intent establishing schismatic church schismatic schismatic archbishop considers correctly church undergoing worst crisis arian heresy good church consecrate bishops ensure future society canon situation believes future society guaranteed consecrations fact archbishop believed sincerely means canon states incurred excommunication vatican prelates archbishop weakland undermine faith impunity expect catholics attention sanctions great orthodox archbishop entire life devoted service church salvation souls eric saventhem president international voce association informed laymen church archbishop intimately saventhem greater desire reconciliation lefebvre holy archbishop lifetime quotation statement saventhem published february remnant merits careful study retrospect road leading consecrations june appears paved grave roman papal omissions lefebvrist obstinancies eyes informed public hidden attempting present archbishop grave disobedience offense faith today lefebvre erroneous concept tradition cardinal ratzinger behalf pope addressed archbishop words letter july ardent desire safeguard tradition procuring means live prosper testifies attachment faith time holy father understands concern shares 
atheist views christianity accepting jeesus heart organization university oulu finland lines jason smith jasons wrote discussion begins universe exist laws nature effect dictate layman mind causal event reasonable alternative exists argue causality property spacetime precede effects claim answer universe spacetime emerge science good candidates answer wondered christians questions science atheism answer argument hope group question popular question question origins universe exist matter question split parts existence exists universe emerge clear science question meaningful question hard skeptic human attempts doubt existence easy doubt world exists mind fooling exist exist exist insert shakespeare quote exist doubt existence exist doubt existence pointless exist return original question exist reasons existence exists mind assume world exists independent mind objectivity postulate question exists countered demanding answer question nothingness existence questions turn devoid meaning things exist things exist exist tautology doubt answer question christians talked existence problems answer inevitably leads conclusion existence good evil devils angels pantheism christianity answer source existence sounds tempted exist source existence terms human time existed source existence argument sounds exist meta exists meta existent perspective created existence nonsolution mere twist words answer heard human reasoning incapable understanding questions atheist accept answers methods question universe emerge belongs domain science doubt question answered methods cosmologists suggested universes emerge vacuum possibility suggested recent hawking biography lizhi shuxian creation universe world scientific groups discussions laws nature demand true nature super natural true science collection models telling good reason questions bound natural things assuming supernatural domain exists supernatural beings exist exist genetic code deciphered lifetimes convert inert material sustaining reproducing life prophet picture york mind technology able produce spark life parts opinion opinion called vitalism living systems fundamentally inanimate systems christians general adopt position happen scientists announce created primitive life small bacteria problem prophecy artificial life created chemical form computer simulations evolution systems alive bacterium code electronic metabolism recent book steven levy artificial life quest creation jonathan cape london artificial chemical life corner spark life found living systems violate physical laws mind send prayer behalf research christ deluding worry atheists post evangelical atheist arguments religion groups people seek find peace religions allowed gather asked questions atheism talk religion misc christians read groups petri petri pihko mathematics truth pihatie finou oulu physics rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistry game 
question bothering organization national association disorganized lines wquinnan ucsd malcusco writes problem science assume endowed ability produce life sexual relations make availible science ride decision alterations wills power decide able children allowed babies made word physical knowledge great deal impact power past gave ability create life sexual relations giving ability create life vitro fertilization difference cosmetic gain ability create universes begin approach glory power test cases abilities unwisely people sexuality unwisely millenia heard outcry abolish matter extend dominion physical world impinging power attempt gain control spiritual world things approached science logic begin interfere alan terlep scorpion oakland university rochester nature atterlep oakland 
arrogance christians organization national association disorganized lines monash writes article carleton mark baker writes true athiest position proof existence people accept church priests straight scriptures proof satisfy atheists fully explained atheist position theists proof existence choose found argument atheism quickly broken unprovable assumptions problem faith provide purely logical argument nonexistence blindly deny part makes question exist awareness reason ability reason ignorant animals earth science reason prove faith faith picture hinduism valid christianity science reason faith beliefs scientific method physical laws universe stable observations reality valid basis determination truth objective reality exists logical argument valid answer questions prove alan terlep scorpion oakland university rochester nature atterlep oakland 
messiahs organization national association disorganized lines desiree bradley desiree bradley writes meagre knowledge bible christians hard jews christ cautious accepting religious authorities accept messiah good point christ person claimed messiah fact number messiahs active area time roman conquest fall masada statements made apostles repeated attempts give jesus sword give military power point fact realize true nature reign fact statements bible oriented explaining definition messiah jews preached alan terlep scorpion oakland university rochester nature atterlep oakland 
theists hell organization national association disorganized lines common threads running postings atheists newsgroup explain direct quotes handy atheists forever condemn fail eternal death unfair problem christians hell definition eternal death atheists expecting reason hell awful people eternal death literal interpreters bible problem view bible talks fires hell personally people hell thrust flame expect jesus double edged sword issuing mouth treat statements metaphorical alan terlep scorpion oakland university rochester nature atterlep oakland rushing angels fear tread jody 
tuff christian reply norris organization organisation lines article mdbs writes parting question christian indoctrinated parents learned religion make comparative study claim brain washed write christian people christian families true people group attest including richard aquinas chonak norris usenet addict intp seeking change cobol progr unix 
sabbath admissions organization florida state university lines response discussions sabbath andrew byler commented sola scriptura worship saturday change sunday made church acknowledge authority make laws noted protestants sunday worship referring sabbath admissions posted bible study group prompted send argument sabbath part ceremonial rest ceremonial binding christians show scripture weekly sabbath part ceremonial laws post text reply investigate context accept sabbath binding christians worship falls category items individual christians worship nature group activity churches free decide churches decide interesting divine imperative establish rules operation creative explicitly spoken darius normal protestant interpretation sunday worshipping churches free decide meet free decide hour worship belong church worships sunday show monday worship 
poem organization computer science international menlo park lines sophomore romans sophomore truth turns bask admiration peers modern daring liberating modern daring liberating chant sophomore american question modern skeptical cynical asked modern skeptical cynical urbane cosmopolitan politician appointed elected happened live thousand years politicians cared ideals results ends means keeping head call brutal firm kinder doubt stalin laughed laxness longer hoped feared worse head wily jews heads tails lose conundrums brought madman impulse play roman find wrong mentioned king caesar heart froze killed madman start riot lose head saved king jews piss caesar lose head wife told righteous lout figured punted jurisdiction herod happened town herod appreciated courtesy worried sharp tongued fool suddenly funny people lose pressure back attire proper royal state covered herod problem caesar fool king world long caesar letting shout crowd reaction puzzled wanted dead king jews wanted barabbas josephus records thought barabbas time king caesar killing madman hell kill pilate joke short point trilingual caught gears government scientific explanation doubt superstitious rumors persisting tomb roman squadron guard sophomore recognize kindred spirit truth admits guess learned thousand years fred gilham gilham peace hell hell makes sense walker percy coming 
ssurance hell organization fnal lines dreamed great judgment morning dawned trumpet blown dreamed sinners gathered judgment white throne weeping wailing lost told fate cried rock mountains prayed prayers late soul salvation tonight saved time religion alas found time great white throne protest fear hell good motivation jesus thought paul thought paul knowing terror lord persuade today evangelism soft soap evangelical salesmanship people anymore thing place hell jayne strong people head baseball fact remains place called hell place fearful died save experience christians people lord reason outer darkness jesus tells prepare hell people prepared devil angels bible read predestined hell moody elect whosoever nonelect whosoever wont theologically sound defend practical jesus people israel students bible heck christians hell religion jesus jesus talked hell heaven religion sermon mount find hell taught jesus sermon mount read jesus talked tree cast fire times talks hell judgment fact synoptics matthew mark luke jesus talks hell isaiah moses john baptist jesus great beloved preached hell loved people hell jesus preached vain lord jesus angry baptist preacher worm dies fire jesus jesus called hell furnace fire jesus word condemnation condemnation love darkness light deeds evil jesus loving dying jesus preached hell hell calgary lord cross darkness fell called hell outer darkness idea hell place gamblers gambling drunks drunk prostitutes prostituting bodies hell hell party fellowship called outer darkness outer darkness light cross made treated jesus sinners treated sobering thought awesome thought hast thou forsaken hell isolation fellowship hell friendship hell loving embrace hell hand shake hell word encouragement hell thirst deeper physical thirst hell eternal craving satisfaction life lived drugs crave eternally life lived lust woman body crave eternally satisfied theologian deserves merit hell hell kind environment matches internal condition lost recent post remember founder word life ministries remembered jack wertzen found illustration gave illustration talking barber barber wife daughter recently saved commenting jack sing songs read bible verses praising stand jack send hell jack answered barber stand living home wife daughter sing hymns praises heaven eternity miserable loves match makes crucifixion jesus christ fact necessitates eternal existence hell cross performed eternal infinite eternal died died infinite eternal death eternal purchased eternal life whosoever wills suffered eternal judgment people detour hell saved eventually universalism bible separate sheep goats probationary period prepares heaven bible appointed judgment cultist annihilation sswish mosquito squished told eternal existence hell heaven enjoy making kind statements enjoy listening preach entire word place called hell give verse scripture give hope people give found fact place called hell fact holiness judge fact made kind creatures responsible fact verse purpose design fact awful thing fact hell save hell leads applications mentioned christian worn good stop flat tire bend bridge knowing terror lord persuade accepted jesus savior taking awful chance jehovah witnesses longer frequent door wrong lived good life cease exist wrong suffer eternal damnation make point dirty harry feel lucky limitations whosoever wont sinner died greater love life 
sabbath admissions organization florida state university lines find interesting answered questions posed make statements make shudder established tiered rules jews people saved gentiles people discriminate accepts jesus live gentile rules rules people paul fact repeatedly faith establishes annuls paul point germane jews greeks instrument salvation combine ceremonial moral laws matt christ plainly jews benefit christ politician speaking sides mouth paul learned christ forget theology jesus excuses hold court earth judgement hall darius 
sabbath admissions organization florida state university lines normal protestant interpretation sunday worshipping churches free decide meet free decide hour worship belong church worships sunday show monday worship totally agree sentiment advocate violating question answered scripture worship long work sabbath mine darius 
hell organization netcom lines article mcovingt michael covington writes short poem mercy made fixed pains hell lewis expresses idea current able find source hell expression mercy limits amount separation amount agony achieve heard called expression mercy heaven agonizing rejected kellett jkellett 
atheists hell organization university nebraska omaha lines atterlep oakland writes common threads running postings atheists newsgroup explain direct quotes handy atheists forever true point buddhist atheist condemn fail eternal death unfair problem christians hell definition eternal death atheists expecting reason hell awful people eternal death hell eternal death related eternal damnation sinners feel licking flames hell supposedly feel flames assume alive suffering literal interpreters bible problem view bible talks fires hell personally people hell thrust flame expect jesus double edged sword issuing mouth treat state ments metaphorical jehovah witnesses similar view body sleeps problem condemned hell punish honest skepticism exist changing nature spend eternity hell heaven knowing spend eternal life scorched wrongdoings stephen atheist libertarian individuality responsibility jazz 
catholic church poland organization faculteit letteren rijksuniversiteit groningen lines writing paper role catholic church poland fill recent books articles english german french important role church abortion religious education schools birth control relation church state government masja zwart 
proof resurection organization whuzzat lines article smayo scott mayo writes christianity flames resurrection disproved paul write resurrection true biggest fools christ teachings love brotherman secular level great deal alleviate problems today world rabid atheist deny jeff johnson 
daily verse organization grass valley group grass valley lines weary good proper time reap harvest give galatians 
education organization university liverpool lines kellett jkellett wrote bits deleted told planned parenthood siecus style values free methods teach contraceptive technology advise kids make choices increase pregnancy rates posted long article back happy email copy interested research produced results abstinence related curricula found decrease pregnancy rates teens assume reasonable assume aids rate fluctuate pregnancy rate fascinated evidence send article negative side suspect simplistic link abstinence education decreased pregnancy contraceptive education increased pregnancy false guess largest proportion liberal education western world highest teenage pregnancy rates correct guess wrong bruce stephens bruce 
certainty arrogance organization fnal lines article kilroy rowan nancy sweetie writes called rexlex claimed loop bother explain preferring paraphrase sartre ramble wittgenstein conclusion argument leads relativism answer find time rexlex suggested people read silent francis schaeffer highly schaeffer grossly overrated evangelical christians opinion stop reading interested opinion suggest certainty ludwig wittgenstein darren provine kilroy rowan substantial number talk religion misc readers read wittgenstein postings disappear understood wittgenstein disappear michael siemon notice book called easy reading reason dropped philosphy major pharisaical simon walking encyclopedia philosphy classes problem knowing soo average person problem puffed schaeffer fine average person writting suppose criticised john gospel simple talked schaeffer lectures drilled philosphy students prof secular christian universities fill catagories answers prof back caused question time time open forums schaeffers books large simplistic grad level reading high horses recommended reading people chapter wittgenstein secular scientist time finally doubt caused insistent inquisitiveness live life constantly cartisian doubt base christian wholeheartedly supports genuine rationality qualification give balance christianity keeping reason place thing limits unlimited exhaust xianity rational rationalistic explains curious fact rationalism christian faith leads irrationality forget limits thing face reality condem learn simple ironic lesson life limits limits stated freedom form form freedom rationality faith implacably opposed absurdity quarrel mystery difference christianity contention rationalism reason christian faith understanding trust hand hand continues faith trust called understanding principle suspended judgment applies time christian faith suspend judgment father understand trust read objections statement understand trust means understand situation understand trust trust understand mystery unrelieved rationality indistinguishable absurdity statement rationality faith walking hand hand mystery faith principle suspended judgment irrational leap faith walk faith believers canalways trust makes difference obvious snag parted company philosophy eminently reasonable theory difficult practice practice pressure mystery acts faith insistent whying year feel produces frustration curiosity denied leads genuine anguish specifically poorer understanding coming faith understand coming faith trust order trust failing grasp able trust understand count decisevely able trust hand trust able trust situations understand xian leaders teach christian window back head understanding foot fall ambiguous inherently contradictory mystery mystery inscrutable insufferable absurdity friend conclusion nietzche theory practice 
phone number wycliffe translators lines concerned recent posting thought pretty denounced wing organization involved ideological manipulation cultural interference including vietnam south america commission mexican academia denounced covert political ideological institution govt instrument control regulation penetration espionage repression concern group acceptable praiseworthy readers religion christian important christians immediately accept christian organization automatically reproach good heavens good friend collins wife small children jungles guatemala dangers primitive conditions armed guerillas indigenous people groups bible native languages young bible studies church daily demonstrated declared deep abiding faith lord love sneaky imperialistic real reason exploit oppress ignorant unsuspecting masses imagine surprise thought terrible deceit discovered cultural interference caught committing attempting persuade locals ancestral gods false gods sacrifices including human sacrifices cases vain destroying traditional lifestyles introducing steel tools medical vaccines durable clothes denouncing terribly shocked hear friend nice deceitful tool devil provide specific documentation charge risk mark 
hell black sabbath organization fnal lines files weekend lyrics rock groups content black sabbath master reality music early asked questions significance jethro tull asked wrote things caused forever thought soul saved dead stay grave thought read book school death lose breath cool pope rope fool truth light changed ways prepared lonely scared days afraid friends knew believed realize criticise love mind small fall pack sneer death worship true people crucified christ opinion voiced chance turned retrieve dead open eyes realize save hate jeer hear late lord world searching mind start find lock heart soul find cure world made choose evil ways love made master world exist soul missed lord world evil possessor lord world confessor innocent fear clear turned worldly greed pride turn turn 
divine providence murphy organization williams college williamstown lines article rolfe rolfe writes romans works good love called purpose murphy wrong familiar amplifications commentary murphy harmonize romans matter humor contradicted scripture christians christians laugh quote exaggerates feel true christians trust christopher email 
atheists hell organization purdue university engineering computer network lines article atterlep oakland cardinal ximenez writes problem christians hell definition eternal death atheists expecting reason hell awful people eternal death literal interpreters bible problem view bible talks fires hell personally people hell thrust flame expect jesus double edged sword issuing mouth treat statements metaphorical phew takes load live forever christians held view walk campus spring assailed fire brimstone preachers metaphor limited respect teaching children criminal ideas young trusting mind rely positive aspects religion faith timothy brent true happiness brent purdue accepts small part infinite universe purdue university spinoza materials science engineering paraphrased 
intolerance eternal life reply johnsd organization microsystems lines apologize article slightly confusing late origonal draft make moderators quote screens violence remember article responding make sence article rutgers jsledd upenn james sledd writes xian netters bless heathan netters feel left deletia table content intro homosexuality incredibly chopped post deletia incorrect attributions attributions wrong responding article johnson article rutgers jayne guild jayne kulikauskas writes deletia free gifts speil nuked moderator fiat find dissatisfied purposes manufacture cosmic sense cosmic sence lives cosmic sence cosmicly exist practical purposes cosmic sence stuff guide life bother luckily mortals sences scale talk human sence purposes greatest great pharos long pyramids historical oddities worn wind eventually turned dust influence aristotle confucious alexander ceasar countless works perished changed history humanity exists deeds utterly forgotten mankind perish surely coming time make difference interconnectedness transcends physical pointless point muster james sledd deeds make difference ulitmately made difference great small ends eternal worthwhile people able live purposes success money power effecting change helping suffice beholder suppose cosmic scale able minds doubt thought cosmic scale today comforting reality illusion find comforting definitions relevant terms reality real illusion real real objectively existing reality illusion real real objectively exists objectively exist objectively exist conclude contradiction things objectively exist problem objectively exist cogito ergo objective reality unreachable humans true true reality underneath physical spirit reality illusion true reality illusion true reality spirit doens make spirit illusion distinctly confused positively buddhist world school sorts learn grow souls mature hell statement true imply intended show true explain give purpose purpose purposes world school intent idea make world preparation greater purpose purpose takes pressure pressure make life success human terms learn success human terms goals include require achived people goals include success human terms understand check buddhist monk type nirvana thing important progress grow persist learn love express love dificult honest effort rewarded limitations learning love goal fail goal mysterious purpose deletia question immortailty answer deleted quote questions invitations discussion nature eternal life mortals locked space time conceive answer metaphor analogy question metaphor crack nature eternal life neatly concept life death life word describe imagine metaphor adequate eternity understand suspect johnson jeeze dull dull genesis opinions show 
sabbath admissions organization duck pond public unix guest lines article pharvey paul harvey writes priority direct word jesus matt paul begins romans weak faith count weak faith count weak faith read jesus word matt doubt mind greek hamartia missing mark doubt mind missing mark clear unambiguous proof regular christian worship responses passages cited commandments jesus words matt fairly clear clear doubts paul overrule important step realization paul human paul writing largely gentile audience writing speaking audience weak faith read unfamiliar hebrew scriptures septuagint form paul adapted message bible largely uneducated market granted market exists today count part weak faith missing mark hamartia education regarded jews time binding jews gentiles rules binding human beings called noachic laws minimal make clear pentateuch genesis exodus leviticus numbers deuteronomy jesus matt jesus applies jews gentiles issue church face jesus death gentiles wanted follow christ decision impose abolished simply acknowledged fact didn apply gentiles acknowledged fact basis extra biblical point acknowledge bhagavad gita relevant text gentiles bible magus east observed star signs jesus bother texts follow church contradiction straight face follower christ follow words jesus apply jews paul jewish christians continue participate jewish worship sabbath continued obey jewish paul changed saul issue gentile christians covered ceremonial aspects gentile christians covered books gentile christians commandments jesus dealt jews assume directed jewish audience implying jesus words valid jews realize gutting large portions bible read jesus words jesus talking matter race hebrew scriptures gospel accounts jesus directed jews translated english interact gentiles times centurion slave healed couple terms describe centurion luke suggest fearer gentile adopted jewish paul call weak faith commended jewish elders worthy person jesus accepted jesus accepted prevailing view gentiles accept important recorded word jesus indications deduce bible jesus jews humankind race involved compare jesus paul order full picture role grips paul apparent rejection relates jesus commendation read paul serves purpose sense superceded understanding paul compare word jesus christian pauline issue abolition middle discussion paul notes understood assures intends sees primarily present convict people sinfulness ultimately impossible standard superceded christ understanding paul jesus impossible standard jesus superceded christian pauline paul comments world clearest agrees reading acknowledge reading paul jesus deny matt clear meaning christian pauline interesting thing notice radical position entail abolition remains uncompromising standard iota removed purpose convicting important relaxed jesus purpose conviction christians ultimately live faith reread matt christian pauline jesus interpretations emphasize intent stay ceremonial details commandments ceremonial details paul conclusion similar talks superceded specific examples involve ceremonial circumcision sabbath concerned maintaining moral standards call observance sabbath lord rested ceremonial circumcision superceded christians christian pauline doubt mind case jesus deal explicitly question binding gentiles cite evidence jesus dealt centurion general jewish views dependent largely studies pauline theology schoeps author moment authors jews christian christian jews discussed issue newsgroups clear valid applies gentiles specific requirement worship sabbath commandments ceremonial detail obligations gentiles similarly circumcision subject unfortunate jesus answer question directly cent jewish approach jesus dealt gentile jesus disciples dealt issue acute referring acts paul agreement problem 
atheists hell organization helsinki university technology finland lines atterlep oakland cardinal ximenez writes common threads running postings atheists newsgroup explain direct quotes handy atheists forever correctly people cease exist condemn fail eternal death unfair problem christians hell definition eternal death atheists expecting idea christians hell heaven afterlife cease exist subjected eternal torture orthodox idea eternal death prefer atheists sort afterlife literal interpreters bible problem view bible talks fires hell personally people hell thrust flame expect jesus double edged sword issuing mouth treat state ments metaphorical safe hell intended metaphorical equivalent ceasing exist christian concepts metaphors idea hell century interpretation nice christianity evolve worldview modern fear church accept understandably haps accept hell metaphor step closer turning metaphor antti lahelma gnothi seauton lehtotie stel helsinki tunne itsesi 
religion christian arrogance christians lines previous message carleton mark baker writes belief belief wrong belief simply belief means stuff deleted pretty arogant definition belief beliefs things find true based experience world experience includes study things experienced directly understand studies extent relate study back experienced means beliefs directly related experience experienced make sense experience study religion read bible find things echo experienced build beliefs find things match experience make false match experience understand stuff beliefs wrong change beliefs beliefs mine necessarily wrong making sense experiences explanations beliefs talk discover underlying experiences similar people approach religion truth exist form single revelation dogmatic inflexible belief system arrogant outsider approach mystery solve mystery evidence arrive understanding based evidence evidence change understanding encounter belief threat opportunity discover mystery fully comprehend peace taber william taber taber opinions expressed data general corp webo mine westboro mass change notice dreams laid rest hard david wilcox 
atheists hell organization university central florida lines atterlep oakland cardinal ximenez writes atheists forever condemn fail eternal death unfair problem christians hell definition eternal death atheists expecting christians conciousness continue physical death contradicts atheists included conciousness contained brain dies brain dies reason hell awful people eternal death fear pain process dying worry fear eternal death literal interpreters bible problem view bible talks fires hell found confusing nerve endings physical body flame hurt wail gnash teeth lungs teeth mark schnitzius schnitzi university central florida 
latest branch davidians organization applied research laboratories university texas austin lines news time read branch davidian compound morning feds punched holes compound walls tank started lethal tear shortly noon cult members setting fire compound people compound fate people unknown fate children inside compound burn ground koresh times claimed messiah backed claimed prophet promised times peacefully demands demanded message broadcast radio claimed waiting message finally told needed decipher mystery seals revelation finished finished work federal agents warn subjected tear people faith mere claim prophet underscores importance putting faith things eternal knowing scriptures relying learned paul conditt 
atheists hell reply johnsd organization microsystems lines article rutgers atterlep oakland cardinal ximenez writes common threads running postings atheists newsgroup explain direct quotes handy atheists forever condemn fail eternal death unfair problem christians hell definition eternal death atheists expecting problem hell permanent death atheists generally expect fair unfair argue made carbon water fair atheists claim hell unfair talking fire brimstone place endless suffering necessarily includes eternal existance life dunno sort continuation thing granted feel hell death univeral sentiment idea condemns heathens ordinary death problem problem gods hide humans torture unbelievers eternally guessing deletia hell literalness johnson jeeze dull dull genesis opinions show 
accepting jeesus heart reply johnsd organization microsystems lines article rutgers seanna seanna watson writes article johnsd writes article rutgers jayne guild jayne kulikauskas writes effective substance abuse recovery programs involve meeting peoples spiritual provide evidence time make claim step programs alcoholics anonymous steps involves acknowleding higher power step abuse recovery programs acknowledged effective deletia unclear show effective substance absure recovery programs involve meetinsg peoples spiritual attempting fill peoples spiritual percieved people regulars snoopy involve defining spritual clear showing things exist filled annother tack fulfilling spiritual means acknowledging higher power sort show systems require work identical systems correlation point demonstrating swapping crutch annother feel religion crutch alchohol poisonous hope clarification question answerable step program question makes difference johnson jeeze dull dull genesis opinions show 
refusing divine peace alive prayer question mary organization trunking fixed lines refusing kingdom jesus revelation century thing days people refuse messengers alive earth refuse talking paraphrased knowledge believers accumulated enlightened detect authentic divine opposed evil made signs miracles afraid signs open hearts mind thinking evil faith evil true peace evil true love divine pure evil accept fulfillment generous love jesus ending forgiveness turn back salvation refusing messenger truth mother christ brings fears shamed contrary pleasing fears humbled fears judged wrong mainstream standard tolerate believers mockery ridicule sake peace love obedience humbling lessons left martyrs saints engage ending bickering disproof opinion mistakes sake arguments communion body christ makes blind truth powerful binded people wrote written ages faith limited words literature muster prevents saved extend rich love eyes wide open continuously sees faith hope love glorify indications acknowledgements signs miracles ordinary common divinely inspired atheist agnostic view ordinary earth caused supernatural holy mother back remind accept prayer things prayers wars prevented continues egotistic attitude dear children days prayed hands remained empty hesitate proclaiming prayer conversion peace penance fasting holy mass living life gospel brings world mother start family good live word worry good holy mother fruits leave lord worry entrust lord holy mother insist free freedom surprised decide lived constantly conveys life experience lord behavior pray time decide saved talk write holy mother warns satan serpent dissuade turn peace plan prayer dragon angry woman wage rest offsprings commandments bear witness jesus fear hate current messenger true peace love motherly protector anti christ apprehensive communism wars famine evils serpent brings obedient blessed mother warns prepared strong satan renewed faith hope love peace obedience messenger shared blessings graces good purpose choose blind fear truth giving chance sharing christ forgetting forgiveness obedient mother mother consecrated task reverse disobedient harm ancient preparing eden immaculate heart eden sanctuary womb coming judgement righteous lord jesus christ lamb marries bride give hand exhaustive preparing coming conceived bear womb fear true peace love renewed faith obedience mary faithfully brings children protecting flock rest offsprings greedy dragon present righteous members coming apparitions miracles resulted worthy belief prayer guidance holy spirit approval church authorities aware true divinely inspired specifically aligns scripture lady reminds recommendation silence prayers speak unceasingly prayers able hear room answer speak encourages motherly nurturing continue exuberant faith hope love jesus constantly mere emotions deep constant obedience jesus beloved acknowledgement part lives wait minute renew faith life live time late nowadays mary pray pray pray peace reconciliation children peace promote peace peace fully accept ordinary lady good mother messenger nice share kingdom experience mary assured lamb succeeds note enclosed quotes latest news medjugorje number june rene laurentin mother eden pure preparing sanctuary true christians cleansing peace kingdom bring loving protective obedient church belong body jesus christ lord astray perfect completeness pray pray holy spirit guiding strength conquer enemies prepare immaculate heart 
good lines dumb christians live requirements wrong understanding spending lives reach goal achieve saved faith works saved james tells faith works dead paraphrase work short reply achieve perfect health strive seek forced follow reason hard flawed unreasonable seek follow improve lives mark 
tuff christian organization austin lines realize frequently trouble straying orthodoxy opinion article mdbs writes buddha intrinsically good christ sinners thought ideas people quibble intrinsically means reason sinners behave good message christ good great approach perfection albeit technique claim buddhism teaches realize greatness peter problem walking water doubt crept david psalm care made lower angels exagerate mind scrawny david exagerate gigantic monster goliath david power easily defeated goliath remember rich young jesus asks enter kingdom jesus follow commandments picture smug face life anticipating attaboy messiah jesus harder task sell follow jesus raising desciples hard rich people jesus jesus avoid killing people avoid angry people avoid committing adultery control desires realize main point people parting question christian indoctrinated parents learned religion make comparative study claim brain washed forgive generalizations make point hard religions good parting question tough question muslims worship learn submission hindus buddhists taoists claim impersonal personal impersonal answer whichever greater greater personal entity individual consciousness cultural bias admit personal nature conception impersonal nature hindu conception jesus hindu cosmology problem hard imagine present eastern religion members comment chris mussack 
sabbath admissions organization austin lines general question world discovered round definition saturday ambiguous arbitrary answer calendar changed gregorian julian week changed date points arbitrariness days chris mussack calendars change change weekly cycle months dates 
sspx schism organization shell lines article jhpb budd lake joseph buehler writes descriptions true false obedience obedience solely matter compliance refusal nature commands account compliance refusal obedient disobedient consideration commands good echo question contentious assuming pope universal jurisdiction authority authority rely decisions prevents choosing doctrine papal disagreement error resolved time true councils bishops basically stood pope appears lies heart matter disagreements tradition tradition authority discipline question supporters sspx positions respect church reforms change conformed pope assuming pope position change leaders sspx jointly make choice appears claiming infallible teaching authority adopt view wrong wrong change mind change left catholic church left orthodox church recognize papal authority jurisdiction viewing authority present bishop ecumenical councils regard subsequent development doctrines papal authority jurisdiction separation bishop rome orthodox church merits great schism orthodox agree split occurred paly semantic games pope recognize effective words appears facto split arian heresy complete weak popes sspx priests modern martin luthers answer examine traditional teaching church sould argue coming real traditional teaching church simple matter east west separated years catholics decide side pope soundness papacy infallible eventually pope straighten thought teaching magisterieum church error teachings faith morals short term wrong roman catholic effect pope making cathedra statement sspx situation honored formal doctrine infallibility contentions understand orthodox real vested interest outcome schism superset disobedience refusal obey legitimate command schismatics disobedient superset work disobeyers schismatics mere fact sspx priests comply holy father desires make schismatics command legitimate sspx view pope commands legitimate slippery slope problem traditional theology holy orders episcopal consecration confer jurisdiction confers power order ability confect sacraments true jurisdiction conferred power confer pope society bishops knowing traditional theology great pains avoid pretence jurisdiction simply confer sacraments require bishop argue establishing geographic jurisdiction concept problem catholic circles larry overacker lawrence overacker shell company information center houston 
losing temper christian trait organization princeton university lines article ruthless ruth ditucci writes tale signs fruits give christians replies acrid angry sarcastic village laugh professed born christians verbally attack people christianity originally joined discussions spiritually hungry answering questions sweetness sincerity chrisitan warriors flame queries agree basic sentiment snideness unloving ineffective disturbed formulation temper christian trait false argument displays trait christian sinning christian christian nonetheless anger human christians human christians angry defensive react badly perfect righteousness effort seeking righteousness marks dedicated christian greatest gifts faith seeking accepting forgiveness failures expecting flawless behavior christianity perfectionism 
questions christian lines previous article udel steven hoskins writes questions recommend good reading list theological works intended person recommend essential truthes christian faith sproul copywrited tyndale house publishers sproul offers concise explanations simple language christian doctrines grouped subject good newer christians older christians suffering spiritual malnutrition biblically sound basic treatment issues avoiding long depth analysis wait basics dave weaver fool weaver gain lose elliot 
shaped hole accepting jeesus heart organization glasgow university computing science dept lines people involved figure phrase shaped hole shaped vacuum effect generally attributed blaise pascal shaped vacuum inside fact infinite omnipresent andrew james fraser mail fraseraj student university glasgow standard disclaimers literal metaphor 
interfaith weddings organization ccli macintosh michigan tech university lines week posted similar question wedding search deeper level answer fiance lutheran catholic plan married church living plan moving month called catholic priest find needed order marriage recognized church needless found hard fast rule catholic interfaith weddings interpreted pretty married problem trick lies letter dispensation main differences lutheran catholic religions priest mumbled eucharist understood heard religions combine appreciated bill bill burns internet wdburns network system administrator applelink shadow apple student band friends mearcilessly crush enemies paste catholic protestant arguments recently accept renewals suggest responses email controversial happy positive summaries important catholic lutheran beliefs things collection battle 
arrogance christians organization merrimack college andover lines article carleton mark baker writes things visible believeing blindly decide advance reason evidence physical senses reason possibility reaching conclusion physical sphere thinking 
good organization indiana university lines article armstrng stan armstrong writes article luomat writes dumb christians live requirements wrong understanding spending lives reach goal achieve saved faith works saved james tells faith works dead paraphrase work long good things miss point love love loves find good sign harder romans sign seek aware jesus presence strenth love empowers weakness stan armstrong religious studies dept saint mary university halifax armstrong stmarys clyde watmath water dalcs armstrng apologize moderator quote deleted respond goal achieve reward paul makes clear claim continue straining prize philippians living commands stagnate lukewarm spit jesus john love obey comands obedience straining achieve requires work part quote james satan care matters results belief works faith believes faith lying oneself believing place stan line good point obedience obligation grudgery desires times bible talks joyous situations work begrudged work work feel jesus presence feelings deceive paul states timothy timothy preach word prepared season season correct rebuke encourage great patience careful instruction remember paul tells timothy timothy watch life doctrine closely persevere save hearers order work correct remember jesus warning matthew hypocritical accomplish disciple completely thought deed fisher 
library congress host dead scroll symposium april lines library congress host dead scroll symposium april national assignment desks daybook editor contact john sullivan lucy suddreth library congress washington april symposium dead scrolls held library congress wednesday april thursday april program cosponsored library baltimore hebrew university additional support project judaica foundation held library mumford room sixth floor madison building seating limited admission session symposium requested writing note symposium held week public opening major exhibition scrolls dead ancient library qumran modern scholarship opens library congress april view fragmentary scrolls archaeological artifacts excavated qumran loan israel antiquities authority approximately items library congress special collections augment materials exhibition view madison gallery made generous gift project judaica foundation washington dead scrolls focus public scholarly interest discovered desert miles east jerusalem symposium explore origin meaning scrolls current scholarship scholars diverse academic backgrounds religious affiliations offer disparate views ensuring lively discussion symposium schedule includes opening remarks april librarian congress james billington norma furst president baltimore hebrew university chairing symposium joseph baumgarten professor rabbinic literature institutions baltimore hebrew university michael grunberger head hebraic section library congress geza vermes professor emeritus jewish studies oxford university give keynote address current state scroll research focusing stand today closing address shmaryahu talmon propose research agenda picking theme qumran studies proceed wednesday april speakers include eugene ulrich professor hebrew scriptures university notre dame chief editor biblical scrolls qumran bible qumran michael stone national endowment humanities distinguished visiting professor religious studies university richmond dead scrolls pseudepigrapha special preview exhibition symposium participants guests thursday april beginning speakers include magen broshi curator shrine book israel museum jerusalem qumran archaeological evidence kyle mccarter albright professor biblical ancient eastern studies johns hopkins university copper scroll lawrence schiffman professor hebrew judaic studies york university dead scrolls history judaism james vanderkam professor theology university notre dame messianism scrolls early christianity thursday afternoon sessions include devorah dimant associate professor bible ancient jewish thought university haifa qumran manuscripts library jewish community norman golb rosenberger professor jewish history civilization oriental institute university chicago current status jerusalem origin scrolls shmaryahu talmon magnas professor emeritus biblical studies hebrew university jerusalem essential commune renewed covenant qumran studies proceed close symposium ample time question answer periods session wednesday april library congress israel antiquities authority hold lecture esther boyd alkalay consulting conservator israel antiquities authority preserving dead scrolls mumford room james madison memorial building library congress independence washington note information admission symposium contact writing michael grunberger head hebraic section african middle eastern division library congress washington canada remote systems toronto ontario 
sabbath admissions organization university georgia athens lines article dlecoint acns darius lecointe writes show scripture weekly sabbath part ceremonial laws post text reply investigate context ceremonial extrascriptural term framework view scripture collosions assumption sabbath ceremonial refer sabbath paul writes collosions christ nailed laws cross judged food drink keeping moons holy days keeping sabbath word sabbath verse sabbaton testament refer scripture idea ceremonial sabbath listed ceremonial laws fundamental assumption sabbath ceremonial find refer sabbath holy days sabbath ceremonial paul careful letters kind parenthetcal statement liscence writings sabbath absent epistles hebrews talks rest faith surely problem century christians living society rest slaves converst slaves difficult slaves rest sabbath mandatory mention epistles link hudson 
atheist views christianity accepting jeesus heart organization atlas telecom lines article kempmp oulu petri pihko writes jason smith jasons wrote discussion begins universe exist laws nature effect dictate layman mind causal event reasonable alternative exists argue causality property spacetime precede effects concede effect implies time time part spacetime hense argument valid return infer effect relationship unique spacetime point moot address petri pikho addresses concede doubly remiss asserted reasonable alternative exists subjective statement part invalidated time discovery scientist understand proving theory necessarily happened proposes description phenomena question mistaken understanding claim answer universe spacetime emerge science good candidates answer require christians readily admit faith fact candidates belies conclusive conclusive evidence left faith argued hypotheses proven repeatable event proven holds today belief correct faith couple paragraphs deleted summary universe exist question split parts existence exists universe emerge clear science question meaningful question apparently persons religions question exists countered demanding answer question nothingness existence questions turn devoid meaning things exist things exist exist tautology carefully examine original question counter question asks request definition address exist asks define lack existence question unanswerable identify aren mutually exclusive terms identify state existence nearing limits simple layman ability comprehend explanation worldview things exist things grounded realm falsifiable theist belief based assumption reason ultimately supportable position reason foundation exists soil claims reason reason satisfactory answer satisfied doctor search beginning doubt answer question time christians talked existence problems answer inevitably leads conclusion existence good evil devils angels pantheism christianity agreed lead question definition christianity answer source existence sounds tempted exist source existence terms human time existed source existence preclude existence seeks identify qualities implying exists qualities answer heard human reasoning incapable understanding questions atheist accept answers methods theist statement faith position assumes evidence hand conclusive note arguing scientific endeavor science understanding universe exist differ atheist matter perspective seek understand exists understand creator discovered science inadequate tool answer appears pihko agrees tool inadequate answer question preclude question asserting invalid question provide answer laws nature demand true nature super natural true science collection models telling good reason questions bound natural things assuming supernatural domain exists supernatural beings exist exist apologies existence existence spacetime spacetime admission science fails answer answered realm modern science make question invalid technology able produce spark life parts opinion opinion called vitalism living systems fundamentally inanimate systems christians general adopt position happen scientists announce created primitive life small bacteria suppose thing galileo capernicus vindicated starts jumping screaming inquisition note vindicated hope shooting messenger stage pihko present good point individual christian base faith shaken production evidence shatters sacred cows seek understand discovery disagrees continues word apologies budweiser company jason jason smith jasons young 
justifiable exist organization programs university georgia athens lines thoughts pacifist side killing defend innocent justifiable killing defense turn cheek turn jesus meant teach pacifism made position explicit centurion leave army instance full military metaphors pacifist side apparently early christians refused fight roman army stated refuse choice clear objecting objecting roman policies modern warfare impossible direct attacks combatants bombing conventional nuclear kills lots civilians hard justified time takes decades requisite information general public email replies meant contribution public discussion wanting reply reply publicly michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio 
divine providence murphy organization programs university georgia athens lines article rolfe rolfe writes romans works good love called purpose murphy wrong familiar amplifications commentary murphy harmonize romans matter humor contradicted scripture murphy exhortation prudence observation behavior complex systems denial divine benevolence michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio 
messiahs organization applied research laboratories university texas austin lines comment article desiree bradley koresh public statement clear claiming christ koresh originally claim christ backed prophet latest news waco feds broke wall compound tank news time paul 
questioning authority organization rowan college jersey lines chris mussack writes people insist question authority holocaust spanish inquisition jonestown authorities people evil things people follow orders tortured killed large numbers protest innocence authority starts telling things questions situations pressing shut hatch submarine filling water reasonable authority able give justification understand listen authority answers interested questions psychological pressure orders read study solomon ashe conformity stanley milgram obedience good book psychology sociology results fascinating terrifying darren provine kilroy rowan told told told told peter gabriel 
christian parenting organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines posting mail bouncing pray read response aunt kids sociology student researching young offenders groups children raised home moment formlulating information discipline christian home parent catagory email response questionaire responses treated confidentially prepare stats posting good christian relative mail access aunt uncle kids felt relevant ages sexes children year twins spank kids call spanking rarely call spanking reaction dangerous stick finger running road times spanked call hurt feelings give hugs stuff ensure loved implement spank painful traumatic recall punished taking time toolmeans lessens impact emotional child evidenced fact slap rear hurts seconds called spanking spank method discipline lots logical consequences instance matthew dared good friend jump treehouse push made play days make lose friends quickly time rooms timer arguing leaving hard argue macine closed door timeout calm tantrumy stairs young location bath ohio akron northeast part ohio commit criminal offence kids dream hope teach parents physical punishment required parents excuse hard disciplined lots timeouts family husband spankings fact grandmother kids spanked turn century afoul made jesus referring small child holding bible things kind merciful loving colossians room selfish anger admit tempted times felt spanking hard anger deserved slap rear devil work feel temptation angrily ordered room room praying forgiveness calmer feel spanking felt punishment doug fowler cwru mommys daddys casey relatives give lots hugs love missed strike poem support heaven great made lasts forever 
phone number wycliffe translators organization illinois institute technology lines article mprc rochester price writes concerned recent posting thought pretty denounced wing organization involved ideological manipulation cultural interference including vietnam south america commission mexican academia denounced covert political ideological institution govt instrument control regulation penetration espionage repression personally wycliffe bible translators organization fundamental purpose translate scriptures native languages terms usual means learning developing written language teaching natives read govt governments translators knowledge mexican government encourages idea cultural interference presentation good news understand suggest read books autobiographical biographical translators stands mind excellent called peace child give true picture mission concern group acceptable praiseworthy readers religion christian important christians immediately accept christian organization automatically reproach agree statement accept issues taking suddan discussion true sides cathy bareiss 
question virgin mary organization university illinois urbana lines faris aziz faris writes hello netters told bible body virgin mary carried burial true bible faris talking assumption blessed virgin mary immaculate mother virgin mary completed earthly life assumed body soul heavenly glory defined papal statement believed immaculate conception primarily roman catholic doctrine direct biblical support note catholics sola scriptura bible source christian knowledge fact doctrine biblical support necessarily significant truth passed traditions church revealed church interested catholic protestant argument catholics basis beliefs find wanting respond posting time proper materials learn lesson finish writing thesis tons time basis catholic church belief assumption mary body soul heaven simply apostles early generation christians believed fact ministry apostles close contact mary present died thomas missing arrived days asked shown body moved pity peter apostles brought tomb arrived seal unbroken broke seal entered body missing sign entered forcibly laid left apostles present believed mary assumed heaven apostles taught preaching texts considered part bible writings left basicaly apostolic church founded apostles teachings apostles written bible written sources true providing authenticity sources confirmed case assumption mary authenticity clear hope helps information mike walker uiuc univ illinois 
question virgin mary organization bell labs lines article faris aziz faris writes talking assumption blessed virgin mary immaculate mother virgin mary completed earthly life assumed body soul heavenly glory defined papal statement believed true basis belief widely held belief laity church support lead declared true basically teaching infallibility holds pope infallible matters faith doctrine college bishops likewise infallible laity pope attention criticism consensus bodies equally infallible teaching moore 
immaculate conception organization freshman civil engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines biblical basis immaculate conception enmity serpent woman seed seed read crush head bruise heel genesis commits devil john hail full grace greek kecharitomene lord thee luke prove doctrine immaculate conception proto evangel genesis promise savior redeem mankind wiles satan satan murderer beginning stood truth truth john proto evangel promises things enmity satan woman enmity satan seed woman point reference mary seed jesus christ enmity satan mary enmity satan knowing jesus christ sinless hebrews conclude mary sinless enmity devil john tells relation sinlessness christ sinlessness called question veracity promised enmity mary serpent decieved angelic greeting mary called archangle gabriel full grace pointed greek word kecharitomene means full grace plenitude perfection grace sense grasped footnote jerusalem bible hail reamin filled grace long reduced full grace mary filled grace moment conception moment salvation death years admitted doctrine immaclute conception free contact mother bible records fact fathers church john damascus augustine hippo ambrose complete agreement christian tradition infallible declaration pope matter ineffibilus deus andy byler 
satanic tounges organization harris lauderdale lines article matthew huntbach writes claims authenticated cases people making prolonged speeches real languages observations speaking tongues practice simple test people speak language chinese russian german english gifted start speaking toungues audience understand gifted native language gifted hear speaking language works everytime gifted glorifying witness real miracle mark ashley disclaimer opinions harris marka harris lost angelino 
babylon book offer organization fnal lines time time made reference book called babylons book written alexander hislop babylonian mystery religion flight history unable time read found numberable references illustrations interested purchasing copy call moody book store order ship good book reference titles digs mystery religions found invaluable purpose skim subject highly recommended note brothers sisters find diatribe find test origin true nature origin rcism offended asks hard questions denomination christian passover offer adventurous contact reasons scholorship book interested adelphoi christos 
march jesus reply storrs ncsu jerry storrs organization north carolina state university project lines info area large march leaving congragation means organizers found difficult manage feels involved casting stones involvement lord include march year giving message lack jerry storrs systems manager dept chemical engineering livin north carolina state university raleigh jesus watchin storrs ncsu preferred steven curtis chapman 
record burning organization twentieth century lines rgolder robert golder writes movie version temptation christ awful practically influenced message conservatives loudly protested distribution unwittingly created larger market movie places christians sucessful attempts films banned restrictive showing problem christians burning pieces find tragic waste problem attempts censor view moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke clive retract foreskin misconception james trinity college dublin apply wire brush enlightenment geoffm brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza 
monophysites mike walker lines mike walker standard formula fully fully human object jesus human usual analysis part basic definition humanity consequence fall jesus human fallen human proper term mike expresses monophysitism heresy condemned council chalcedon grew reaction nestorianism held jesus people happened united body temporarily monophysitism held copts egypt ethipoia jacobites syria armenian orthodox believes jesus christ correct correct person correct nature energy heretical orthodox position natures wills energies divine human wills perfect harmony mike jesus human form mike human nature human reality made subject original interesting note monothelites reaction conflict attempted solve problem admitting natures wills energies condemned late council constantinople andy byler issues mighty subtle people things hard things terminology question problem nestorius agree christ human form real human nature heretical wary copts armenians recent discussions suggest monophysite position orthodoxy thought nestorius extreme representative major schools thought moderate representatives regarded orthodox theodore mopsuestia impression modern monophysite groups inherit entire tradition nestorius version sufficient balanced position regarded orthodox 
daily verse lines peace crush satan feet grace lord jesus romans 
christ advocate poem organization oregon health sciences university lines advocate sinned straightway posthaste satan flew presence high made railing accusation soul thing clay sinned true named demand death thou hast soul sinneth sentence fulfilled justice dead send wretched sinner doom thing righteous ruler satan accuse night word spoke true quickly rose hand glory angels veiled eyes spoke tittle fulfilled guilty sinner dies wait suppose guilt transferred paid penalty behold hands side feet made died presented faultless throne satan flew full knew prevail love word dear lord spoke true martha snell nicholson heard poem read night wanted share subscribers newsgroup wonderful blessing secure salvation lord jesus paid debt capable praise savior lord jesus christ seated hand majesty high making intercession liane brown internet brownli 
homosexuality issues christianity organization microsoft corp lines article fsspr alaska wrote subject beaten death listserv christia recently madge stepped closed topic discussed privately mail participants received fairly large file approx comments made march washington posted scan newsgroup possibly read glad send interest people hope remembers troy perry performance march washington inconceivable christianity homosexuality sean patrick ryan fsspr alaska sean cojones visit congregations christians happen homosexuals spirit filled believers lumping troy perry lord working community homosexual community change sexual nature calling practice morality established beginning satan hayday pitting christian christian issue homosexuality reach homosexuals christ change bring christ change living moral life committed moving lives change cent bless loisc 
original post jesus black organization bowling green state university student lines knew receive response post extensive responded showed people general response return matter question part response suggest read articles covering question culture african american dire cultural enlightenment hasta luego sherlette 
permanent mail organization indiana university lines time year graduation means good username back leaving part ministry brother john remember flaming considered slander fisher 
question virgin mary organization city university york lines article faris aziz faris faris talking assumption blessed virgin mary immaculate mother virgin mary completed earthly life assumed body soul heavenly glory defined papal statement believed immaculate conception primarily roman catholic doctrine direct biblical support note catholics sola scriptura bible source christian knowledge fact doctrine biblical support necessarily significant truth passed traditions church revealed church interested catholic protestant argument catholics basis beliefs generally accuate error catholics revealed truth explicitly recorded bible passed tradition church noted tradition church sacred tradition ordinary human traditions additional truth revealed church public revelation basis catholic doctrine ended death john apostle added theologians study revelation draw implications recognized previously council nicea define statements theology trinity incarnation explicitly stated bible disputed council revelation nicea subsequent council cardinal newman essay development christian doctrine written anglican excellent discussion point recently reprinted doubleday image books paperback related shorter works title conscience consensus development doctrine marty helgesen bitnet mnhcc internet mnhcc cuny thing hypothetical situation 
major views trinity lines andrew byler writes post athanasian creed whicc pretty delinieates orthodox christian belief trinity incarnation pretty good statement beliefs eventually accpeted creed catholic church lutheran anglican orthodox churches minus filioque delete original form creed evidence orthodox churches purely western apostles creed orthodox churches symbol faith commonly called nicene creed steve hayes department missiology university south africa golded 
athiests hell lines article rexlex fnal writes article gerry palo gerry palo writes note oldest creeds mention danger hell believers likewise mention salvation believers soul destiny heaven death resurrection body back create heavens earth create adam walked garden history flowed agree agree back closer people stronger memory commanded adam golgotha process fall occurred involved gradual dimming consciousness spiritual world discernable world outlooks peoples history greek beggar land living king land dead iliad question human beings died christ present christians ready conscign adam abraham cain eternal damnation died sins christian sense gentile humanity unrepentant malefactor cross limit power christ save satan mock deed salvation moment fulfillment studies ancient mystery reliegions poems rituals nots interpretation promised seed rebel suffer eternal life dieing standard belief back experience eternity passing moment relationship eternity duration simply indefinitely extended conditions greenwich time imagine eternity agony bliss spiritual world time earthly death birth standard belief peoples righteous lost result loss paradisal consciousness fled fall increasing involvement sense world interesting share results studies ancient people ideas life death today back time teach people thing grown older opperate mist older ages mankind fell mist darkness turning point time light entered world light grows developing eyes revelation growth standing lies vision understanding feeble grow time embrace point acknowledge openly debt work rudolf steiner founder anthroposophy insights views subject love post vulcan hammer fall history purgatory shown druids england greeks pilaged egyptians ultimately babylonian mysteries eastern religions show similarities black white writings archeological finds plainly show origin whys wherefores doctine refer doctrine puts modern intellectual coloring abstract real spiritually concrete teaching struck closer home doctrines teachings today received ready attribute widespread notions antiquity simple dispersion original source passed question extent reflect real perception experience similarity midst great variety expression people ideas time immediately death testifies presence underlying reality case study geometry reading manuscripts euclid contemplating principles hand notion firmly embedded christianity originated pagan source idea human consists essentially soul soul created birth consciously adopted aristotle ideas dominated christian thought fifteen hundred years today father modern thought time lived darkened time perception eternal spiritual grown future clarify deny eternal irrevocable damnation real possibility narrow range conceive decisive moment single earthly life mind sufficient embrace reality early creeds couched terms spell gerry 
arrogance christians organization nottingham university lines article wrote genius science discovered enormous progress knowledge made isolating study physical interactions general areas study proceeding logical argument experiment scientific method hypothesize attempt disprove hypothesis fail publish fail disprove hypothesis accept working theory move method suitable study objects objects interest experiment science progress experimentation philosophising experiments investigate validity hyptheses resulting models produced thinking process arrogance science assumption advocates science make scientific method method study leading knowledge belief science advantage approaches explaining world objective arrogance assumption arises science valid method thought exists sort thing scientific method study scientific method study exist affects physical world studied part physical world including spirits affects behaviour observed science make claims existence existence objects affect physical world asumptions nature world made subject experiment science arrogance illogic plain sloppy thinking purpose science produce model physical world model able explain past observations predict outcome future observations aims experiments carry defined observations objective ideally scientist model describes world model realises minimal number assumptions moment models rely assumption spiritual world existing equally powerful assume assumption spiritual world spiritual models fewer assumptions accepted models scientific process assumes present models correct religions claim represent truth arrogance theists claim represent truth scientists steve lang slang sling slink slick slack shack shank thick 
question virgin mary organization lauderdale lines talking assumption blessed virgin mary immaculate mother virgin mary completed earthly life assumed body soul heavenly glory defined papal statement believed immaculate conception primarily roman catholic doctrine direct biblical support note catholics sola scriptura bible source christian knowledge fact doctrine biblical support necessarily significant truth passed traditions church revealed church interested catholic protestant argument catholics basis beliefs bible instances speaks people person piece information person walks desert days power bible ends book revelations reign messages longer happening happening hear clamor proof cold response past group hard point physical stuff skeptics documents stored cited uncorrupted bodies saints apparitions fatima portugal culminated miracle specifically granted show existence spinning descending countries event approved pope images mary japan korea yugoslavia philippines africa showing tears natural blood investigation church realize investigations decades finish message christ days late events investigation locutions coming stigmata person exhibits christ wounds heal doctor believers pore documents stuff koresh oral roberts give call home free find happening studying figure religion resources countries mentioned members events mary invites conclusion finally modern manifestations mary scared death told proofs events bible apparitions told read bible protestant catholics issue concerned churches unite idea point worry versus part work matters unity plain person pope spokesperson mark ashley disclaimer opinions harris marka harris lost angelino 
immaculate conception organization bell labs lines article todd laurentian writes roommate correct immaculate conception refers conception mary mother womb defined immaculate conception doctrine knowledgeable area give biblically support attempted terms previously attempt understand learning purposes able grasp reasoning gift basically reasoning tradition church held mary jesus tenets faith developed augustine equated mary assumed virgin life sinned spouse notion original born predisposition mary predisposition original science discovered process conception step assume mary conceived original immaculate conception mary time appeared named bernadette lourdes refered immaculate conception year knowing doctrine apparition deemed true sealed case doctrine hold revelation equally important sources sacred scripture holy tradition case tradition moore 
legal definition religion organization university nebraska lincoln lines understanding supreme court legal definition religion cases involving religion court verify falsify state government give legal definition religion 
immaculate conception organization trunking fixed lines note cross posting emailing listserv catholic main posting religion christian quotations omitted response question immaculate conception explained left justification catholic readers direct reference holy scripture mention mary blessedness full grace annunciation angel gabriel luke month angel gabriel city galilee named nazareth virgin espoused joseph house david virgin mary angel hail thou highly favoured lord thee blessed thou women hold line thought lord mary blessed thou women read book lady world popular history devotion mary peter lappin immaculate conception matter complicated assumption arose feast mary conception title conception saint anne originally commemorated physical miracle woman child bearing conceiving daughter elizabeth conceived john baptist transfer emphasis physical miracle wrought anne miracle grace wrought soul mary logical mary incorruptible timber hewn tabernacle christ sinless body eden tree knowledge serpent harms perfect beauty spotlessness find exemplar christ purity father time council ephesus hailed innocent blemish immaculate inviolate spotless holy soul body blessed lily thorns unlearned evil ways thirteenth century irish franciscan john duns scotus maintained greater thing preserve mother power clease discussion baptism original pocket catholic cathechism john hardon baptism concupiscence remains baptism concupiscence tendency remains baptized left provide trial power injure consent grace christ jesus manfully resist canon original gifts adam fall light foregoing parents originally gifted times natural gifts human beings power choose freely preternatural gifts bodily immortality integrity internal power control desires supernatural gifts sanctifying grace virtues faith hope charity title enter heaven disobedience lost supernatural preternatural gifts weakened losing natural capacity reason choose freely baptism restores supernatural life lost adam restore preternatural gifts gifts title glorified restoration bodies back immaculate conception interpretation books contribution puzzle miracle anne bearing child childbearing christ born baptism mary birth angel gabriel hail mary full grace lord blessed thou women mary confused greeting mary possessed treefold original gifts parents adam hail mary praise angel gabriel full grace natural preternatural supernatural lord times made blessed blessed thou women conception made mary full grace blessed tabernacle coming body christ immaculate conception mary true mary maintained immaculate heart marida hope continue light facts matter 
question virgin mary reply david bernard organization microsystems lines article rutgers revdak andrew kille writes observation bodily assumption basis bible carl jung declared important pronouncements church recent years implied inclusion feminine godhead jung godhead 
hell organization computer science liverpool university lines article shellgate larry overacker writes question friends debating night knew doubt hell exist unbelievers simply remained dead remain christian contention answer question remain christian jesus christ sharing work spreading news kingdom heaven fear based religion faith relationship made christian avoid hell christian sounds liebe christus martyn mellodew liverpool martyn mellodew mail liverpool department applied mathematics arpa internet theoretical physics janet university liverpool liverpool england dubito ergo deus 
hell organization unorganized usenet postings uninc lines shellgate writes question friends debating night knew doubt hell exist unbelievers simply remained dead remain christian reasoning pertinent believing xians deleted space strikes apparent reason reversible proof existed hell eternally punished believing life make xian pardon language bloody hell reversal thinking debate friends disagreed arguing fear hell motivate people christianity fatally undercuts message love point imnsho successful terrorism called revolution admired history unsuccessful terrorism lowly cowardly terrorism phil trodwell atheism 
bible language satanic tounges reply bjorn larsen sintef organization delab lines article koberg colorado allen koberg writes tongues concept tongues pentecost outdated concept bible language missionaries languages church tongues guess people able support claim languages bible part bible languages able write simply written version language defined guess main goals wycliffe bible translators define rules grammar writing rest languages world reason unemployed foreseeable future provided neccessary support largest missionary organizations world bjorn mail mail bjorn larsen bjorn larsen sintef sintef delab trondheim norway 
deuterocanonicals sirach organization dept math lines ddavis bull dave davis writes deuterocanonicals canon quoted authors accurate book enoch canon dave noted apocrypha quoted christ dave writes deuterocanonicals canon teach doctrines contrary uncontroverted parts canon answer logically invalid priori talking texts parts superceded xtian view principle exclude ecclesiastes principle consistently applied reject argument spirit speaks voice contradict ultimate test canonicity words inspired spirit breathed test guided faith reason logic early church decided apocrypha meet test books wisdom sirach lutheran hymn quotes passage book deutero canonical books added church history spiritual quality rest scripture church added books guided spirit sort discussion ultimately ends david wagner confessional lutheran heart hands voices wondrous things hath world rejoices mother arms hath blessed countless gifts love today danket alle gott martin rinckart compare sirach 
question virgin mary organization freshman civil engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines andrew kille writes observation bodily assumption basis bible carl jung declared important pronouncements church recent years implied inclusion feminine godhead means absolutely idea assumption greatly extoll mary obvious part equal assumption blessed mother meant close identification redemptive work christ assumed note ascend body soul heaven elijah enoch moses perfected heaven virgin mary superior glorification previously mentioned personages jung stick psychology theology andy byler 
christianity repeated lives lines article writes gerry palo writes christianity precludes idea repeated lives earth apostle paul romans points chose jacob esau ancestor covenant people ultimately messiah made choice boys mother womb possibly good evil deserve appointed destinies admit possibility lived previous lives accordance asiatic idea karma present lives reward punishment past behaviour makes nonsense paul point existence repeated earth lives destiny karma predetermined past deeds oriental view direction subscribe view choose individual instrument plans preclude development individual earthly life result longer development rudolf steiner subscribe oriental view inexorable mechanistic karma determining befalls kind shriveled caricature greater context deed christ golgotha ultimate salvation freedom human working christ master theme impulse completely free karma christ incarnated flesh debt karma oriental concepts reincarnation karma trivialized mechanized teachings incorrectly assume jesus christ reincarnation master avatar teaching reincarnation karma concept continuing individuality life buddhism important concept resurrection body ultimate continuity human ultimate resurrection judgement biblical passage bearing tenth chapter john devoted born blind jesus tells disciples past karma parents blindness impulse revealed note refute disciples question fact matter question stated evident possibilities existed sins incarnation sins parents fact asked possibility awareness idea part form christ answer disagree matthew jesus straight john baptist care accept elias emphasizes gospels positive teaching reincarnation fact human death jesus push teaching people ready embrace care accept care point bible teaches reincarnation deny scripture fundamental christian doctrine understandable reincarnation understood pointedly repeated earth lives distinguish oriental doctrines word reincarnation phrase rudolf steiner wiederholte erdenleben noted idea needed arise insight west completely free eastern tradition eighteenth nineteenth centuries important expression lessing education human race return original point paul statement jacob esau contradict idea repeated earth lives karma principles receive fulfillment incarnation death resurrection ascension return jesus christ view gerry palo 
truth bible organization procom technology lines sodium michael montgomery writes preserved bible perfectly perfectly conveys truth intended version bible perfectly preserved translations perfectly preserved confuse minor wording accidental omission passages manuscripts change truth conveyed lead student doctrinal error note provided happend branches denominations christianity deviations doctrine portruding varying translations biblical texts students numerous begin count perfect bible misinterpretation debating hand bible perfect planet perfect read correctly point giving correctly short attack credibility reliability bible weak ground reason wanting remove bible final authority responsibility sift bible strain nuggets truth words ignore rest bible truth truth imho trust salvation reliability single book weak ground remember beginning word word word word existed bible written note word word john describe fully written language languages imperfect realization contemplation word boundaries language bible guide stepping stone final authority final authority daniel cossack danc senior software engineer dupont drive irvine procom technology 
homosexuality issues christianity organization centre mathematical software research univ liverpool lines shellgate larry overacker article fsspr alaska hardcore alaskan writes hope remembers troy perry performance march washington inconceivable christianity homosexuality christianity homosexuality compatible debatable debated opnion genuinely destuctive christianity sort hominem argument oppose adversaries serves drive people christianity projects confirms frequently held opinion christians unable critically intelligently agree speaking atheist heterosexual worth attractive parts varieties christianity argue theologically make analogies discrimination basis race discrimination basis sexual orientation morally case unanswerable religion forms analogous discriminate basis race sexual orientation found moderator faqs subject instructive recommend read levels acceptance regard homosexual orientation evil regard homosexual behaviour accept orientation orientation unfortunate dislike people indulge love sinner accept homosexuality altogether experience common attitude imagine limited fundamentalist sects suppose feeling year living community attitude discovering attracted members feel love community feel pressure exhibit feelings community parents love child suspect child feel loved bruce cmsr university liverpool 
satanic tounges organization university georgia athens lines article marka harris mark ashley writes simple test people speak language chinese russian german english gifted start speaking toungues audience understand gifted native language gifted hear speaking language neat bible gift tounges gift tounges ability understood matter languages gift interpretation corinthians written gifted glorifying witness real miracle pretty harsh assumption make million christians world wide glory speak tounges gift people corinthian church true gift speak tounges glory sight venture large percentage speak tounges private prayer public link hudson apparently early church claimed pentecost miracle crowd ability understand apostles speaking greek 
people atheists organization university louisville lines undoubtedly people adopt atheism reasons suspect biggie believed phillips words small person understanding allowed grow develop eventually inadequate grey haired gentleman throne comforting image childhood joke therapist friend mine suggests clients fire means letting inadequate understanding make room fuller encouraging hire guess folks firing process adequately supported subsequent hire billh 
daily verse lines place road mount olives crowd disciples began joyfully praise loud voices miracles luke 
athiests hell organization fnal lines article gerry palo gerry palo writes adam golgotha process fall occurred involved gradual dimming consciousness spiritual world precisely point theological bent lived immediately flood noah cush nimrod stronger appreciation divine wrath stronger understanding true fact immediacy hardship atlas heavens resting shoulders physical heavens lifting strict spirituality distance elevator heavens made able feel heaven afar heaven dark cloud regard displeasure breakers laws interesting titled emancipator deliverer phoroneus nimrod invaded patriarchal system abridged liberties mankind worship benefits deliverer christ deliverer delivered conscious feeling wrath performed delivery gods wrath accept true question human beings died christ present christians ready consign adam abraham cain eternal damnation problem time adam looked forward coming anointed faith fact provision accounted righteous crucifixion sins covered dispensation church views accountability completed action makes clear salvation faith experience eternity passing moment relationship eternity duration simply indefinitely extended conditions greenwich time understand convey hold scriptures equate eternality death eternality church ruling christ tells eternal life correct cessation consciousness standard belief peoples righteous lost depends lost elect lost time time chosen foundation world existentially born lost righteous christ assuredly lost interesting share results studies ancient people ideas life death summer find time paper simply books older books expensive countless trips oriental museum mankind fell mist darkness turning point time light entered world light grows developing eyes revelation growth standing lies vision understanding feeble grow time embrace agree understanding eschatology clearer isaiah referring point acknowledge openly debt work rudolf steiner founder anthroposophy insights views subject refer doctrine puts modern intellectual coloring abstract real spiritually concrete teaching struck closer home doctrines teachings today received understand point ready attribute widespread notions antiquity simple dispersion original source passed question extent reflect real perception experience question appreciable amount truth satan twist word coerced interesting study similarity midst great variety expression people ideas time immediately death testifies presence underlying reality point edged sword underlying reality revealed mystery religions reason public side private side protected initiates oath death revealed private side hard bring teachings light mystery iniquity find bible correlates primary object mysteries introduce privately seal secrecy sanction oath safe openly profess true religion case point today masons note worshipped osiris egypt traced nimrod husband hand notion firmly embedded christianity originated pagan source idea human consists essentially soul soul created birth consciously adopted aristotle ideas dominated christian thought fifteen hundred years today disagree gerry alluding church primarily endorse aristotelian philosophy worldview disagree originated greece student history greece expound world original adulteration conquered countries soul mentioned discussed length egyptian religions unity trinity find wilkinson egyptians number greeks pilfered egyptians father modern thought time lived darkened time perception eternal spiritual grown knocking aristotle plato greek thinker clarify deny eternal irrevocable damnation real possibility narrow range conceive decisive moment single earthly life mind sufficient embrace reality early creeds couched terms spell focus theology early church struggled trinitarian formulation reformation dealt authority today eschatology study early creeds spell things detail topic concern insufficient wisdom accumulated exegetical tools today revelation tended cultivated garden doctrine growth natural times garden growth eschatology tangents ending tangents 
monophysites mike walker organization wisconsin madison college engineering lines readers misconception copts oriental orthodox churches monophysitism pops discussion article andrew byler writes proper term mike expresses monophysitism heresy condemned council chalcedon grew reaction nestorianism held jesus people happened united body temporarily monophysitism held copts egypt ethipoia jacobites syria armenian orthodox comments issues mighty subtle people things hard things terminology question problem nestorius agree christ human form real human nature heretical wary copts armenians recent discussions suggest monophysite position orthodoxy thought appreciation moderator elaboration needed excerpt article featured issue copt newsletter authority eastern roman empire constantinople opposed western empire rome patriarchs popes alexandria played leading roles christian theology invited speak christian faith cyril pope alexandria head ecumenical council held ephesus year bishops church alexandria spend time meetings leading role fare politics started intermingle church affairs started emperor marcianus interfered matters faith church response dioscorus pope alexandria exiled interference clear church political motives apparent chalcedon coptic church unfairly accused teachings eutyches believed monophysitism doctrine maintains lord jesus christ nature divine natures human divine coptic church believed monophysitism portrayed council chalcedon council monophysitism meant believing nature copts lord perfect divinity perfect humanity divinity humanity united nature called nature incarnate word reiterated cyril alexandria copts natures human divine united mingling confusion alteration declaration faith coptic divine liturgy natures separate moment twinkling declaration faith coptic divine liturgy coptic church misunderstood century council chalcedon council understood church correctly wanted exile church isolate abolish egyptian independent pope coptic church remained strict steadfast faith conspiracy western churches exile coptic church punishment refusal politically influenced pope dioscurus extra mile make point copts monophysite coptic church felt mandate reconcile semantic differences christian churches aptly expressed current successor mark pope shenouda coptic church faith important semantics terminology importance century coptic church played important role ecumenical movement coptic church founders world council churches remained member council coptic church member african council churches aacc middle east council churches mecc church plays important role christian movement conducting dialogues aiming resolving theological differences catholic greek orthodox presbyterian evangelical churches final note oriental orthodox eastren orthodox sign common statement christology heresey monophysitism condemned coptic orthodox church monophysitism peace nabil nabil ayoub engine research center dept mechanical engineering university wisconsin madison email ayoub wisc mentioned apology comment quoted confused nestorius monophysite andrew byler correctly stated nestorians monophysites opposite parties point making nabil explains detail groups considered heretical aren chalcedon compromise groups alexandrians antiochenes adopted language intended acceptable moderates camps ruling extremes agree extremes heretical complex politics time appears people rejected intend heresy simply language understood mispresented jointed compromise reasons doctrine groups descended supposedly heretical camps posting discussed descendants alexandrians remaining nestorians current called monophysites reason current called nestorians heretical sheltered nestorius unfair treatment claim adopt heresies fact follow moderate representatives antiochene tradition 
question virgin mary lines ddavis bull dave davis writes deletion explain immaculate conception assumption mary original reason fallen humanity dies adam died fallen true genesis story concerned adam tree life live forever gods eating tree life effects eating tree knowledge reason assume eaten tree life attained eternal life basis wages spiritual death necessarily physical death attest truth interpretation experience suspect attest peace william taber taber opinions expressed data general corp webo mine westboro mass change notice dreams laid rest hard david wilcox 
public private revelation question virgin mary organization city university york lines mark ashley account private revelation contradict posting catholic church believes public revelation catholic doctrine based ended death john apostle posting made word public public revelation truth intended revelation contained bible significant subset public revelation private revelation revelation individual speak directly individual send angel send virgin mary lesser saint person required private revelation person revealed devotional practices based reported private revelations doctrines alleged private revelation attracts sufficient attention church investigate investigation likelihood alleged private revelation fact approved means preached church true required catholic free deny authenticity attested strongly approved private revelations fatima lourdes suspect catholics reject fatima lourdes rejection orthodox catholics good standing hand list criteria church evaluating alleged private revelation primary requirements alleged private revelation contradict public revelation marty helgesen bitnet mnhcc internet mnhcc cuny thing hypothetical situation 
question agnostic organization centre mathematical software research univ liverpool lines damon okstate hastings damon christian friend mine reasoned created exist created exists creator statement considered valid proof christians followers religions suppose rest deleted variant popular arguments discussed john leslie mackie miracle theism arguments existence mackie ultimately sides arguments fair sides discussions found atheism faqs bruce cmsr university liverpool 
satanic tounges lines pwhite peter white relates story person message tongues consists words asked refrain brother puka controlled weeks church invited missionary speak time meeting tongues interpretation arise speak brother puka words puka pastor apologize embarrassment missionary arose speak interpretation give translation tribe worked word language puka meaning derived inflection voice qualities brother puka perfectly inflected reasonable message nice story sets urban legend charismatic legend alarms linguists identify language description attest language exists standards european languages exists linguists extreme case overreacted basic shaggy story william taber taber opinions expressed data general corp webo mine westboro mass change notice dreams laid rest hard david wilcox 
question virgin mary organization freshman civil engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines moderator noted assumption catholics blessed virgin mary heaven body soul life unusual normal events body decay grave stay resurrection dead enoch elijah translated directly heaven grasp object mary greater enoch elijah benefit privelege recieved mother full grace immaculate historically belief assumption found writings gregory tours late century germain constantinople john damascus andrew crete noted monophysite chruches egypt syria hold belief part divine revelation broke unity chruch rejecting council chalcedon argued protestants catholics orthodox made belief monophysites hole notion hold belief split chruch belief annunciated writing lost time fathers andy byler 
seeking christian opinion sorts organization pygmalion productions lines subject seeking christian opinion sorts steele rsteele date fellow christians tend find wacky interested franky schaeffer books philistines american christians addicted mediocrity recently sham pearls real swine years franky schaeffer walked greek orthodox church orthodox christian mother father fransis schaeffer passed church franky americans recently found orthodox church experience finally coming home long jouney desert read book orthodox peter gillquist describes long journey weary evangelical protestants orthodox church taste good lord timothy richardson rich 
nicene creed major views trinity organization freshman civil engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines michael bushnell writes called creed athanasius western creed filioque orthodox accept exception filioque pointed wrong creed catholic encylcopedia read orthodox creed minus filioque apparently changed athanasian creed filioque nicene constantinopolitan orthodox delete filioque nicene creed begin athanasian creed beginning point problem started difference ways explaining generation blessed trinity east emphasizing idea holy spirit proceeding father west proceeding father fact tertullian formulations form examples profess call word father root stem things conjoined fountain river kinds indivisible forms coherent proceeds necessarily proceeds account separated ther spirit root fruit stem fountain stream river thrid apex tertullian praxeas spirit proceeds father tertullian praxeas thomas showed summa theologica part question articles contradiction methods generation fact methods reckoning procession emphasize augustine taught holy spirit proceeds father proceeds father preeminent father father holy spirit proceeds father reason called unbegotten scriptures practice theologians employ terms able matter great born father holy spirit proceeds principally father father interval time holy spirit proceeds jointly father called father abhorent sound mind begotten spirit begotten proceeds augustine hippo trinity sense formulations correct west holy spirit proceeds father proceeding orgin procession procession father holy spirit proceeding father father holy spirit proceed father mention case happy follow beliefs pope fulgence ruspe cyril alexandria pope damsus augustine hippo epiphanius salamis ambrose milan hilary poitiers tertullian fathers quotable quotes supporting catholic position enunciated issue adoption creed forbidden point holy fathers ephesus chalcedon spoke creed nicea statement forbidding produce write compose confession faith defined fathers nicea creed creed constantinople commonly called nicene creed condemning adoption constantinopolitan creed enlargement creed nicea condemning impious opinions nestorious adopted radically creed church things denied procession holy spirit form additions constantinopolitan creed thought violation council chalcedon affirmed doctrine procession holy spirit nestorius denied explaining fuller creed approved previous additions explanations creed made constantinople denigrating work holy fathers nicea heretical council toledo fully able disputed faithful creed combat impieties arians spain filioque dispute church years photius filioque disputed provide quotes holy spirit effects conformed proceeds father abundantly clear divine essence essence proceeding cyril alexandria treasury holy consubstantial trinity thesis holy spirit father spirit father written loves world spirit father written spirit christ father named holy spirit understood gospel holy spirit proceeds father receive mine announce pope damasus decree damasus begotten holy spirit appelation father called holy spirit foreign father begotten calls spirit father proceeds father receive mine reckoned foreign substance godhead spirit divine spirit spirit father spirit kind synthesis soul body midst father father appelation father existed existed spirit breathes father created spirit created epiphanius salamis cyprus anchored holy spirit remain silent speak account silent speak acknowledged father sources hilary poitiers trintiy pointed gaul spain italy africa egypt palastine lands greeks christnedom time fathers cited show confess doctrine expressed filioque suggest orthodox church fathers john damascus admit denied filioque support views bring proceeds father line creed gospel john holy spirit proceed proceed father andy byler 
doctrine original organization intergraph lines article andrew byler writes beyt writes unclean enter heaven babies born state hell explain matthew hour disciples jesus greatest kingdom heaven called child midst verily turn children wise enter kingdom heaven father heaven perish nice thing bible invent bunch convoluted rationalizations understand unlike arguments original face original thought long bible written basis scriptures anthony 
serbian genocide work organization school computer science carnegie mellon lines article revdak andrew kille writes james sledd jsledd upenn wrote serbs work suggesting supports genocide germans punishing jews behalf works indescribably evil unworthy worship faith attitude holocaust reading deuteronomy chapter price free free plutoniumsurveillanceterroristciaassassinationirancontrawirefraudcryptology 
people atheists organization boston university boston lines story grew catholic issue born christian sweet person proseletyzing imposing christian felt depressed felt guilty personal honest feelings hard reconcile conflict taught rationally read books religion general specifically catholicism crisis point finally clicked staunch atheist loose explanation gist feel esteem generally stronger person defined goals strong stable sense morals values nazi corrupt politicain human rights live live things anti violent anti hatred debunk myth atheists depraved religion place system tough bertrand russell exist prove sense agnostic practical purposes thanqs engel kene 
christians martial arts organization lines salutations touch people christians define martial arts topics discussion martial view relationship christianity view relationship christianity christian participate christian participate biblical views heard fellow karate christ thing involved official organization called christian black belt association distribute info upcoming events interested mailing list sold intested email list interested email replies cross posted groups read summary discussion shalom robert switzer bell labs laurel middletown amateur radio operator robert switzer 
good jewish arguments lines kwfinken harpo uccs kevin finkenbinder wrote scott phys virginia wrote intro deleted jesus descended david messiah supposed joseph christians joseph related jesus truthfully geneology christ luke matthew notice trace lines back david told traces mary line back david traces joseph line back david david history acording jewish friends jewishness passed child mother legal rights jewishness passed father true geneologies mary christ bloodline david mother means christ legal rights decendant david roman possibly mosaic joseph christ legal father argument luke genealogy mary weak luke began ministry jesus thirty years supposedly joseph fact mary mentioned interpretations joseph father brother acceptable joseph father happened betrothed grasping straws straightforward interpretation luke intention tracing mary genealogy case named traces husband david nathan matthew descendant list traces david solomon joseph matthew reads jacob born joseph husband mary born jesus called christ apparent problems reconcile paternal genealogies diverge sons david solomon nathan genealogy joseph relavent joseph joseph jesus physical father original poster correct claims jesus messianic heritage based truth appearances jesus divine nature problem easy mind assume joseph involved conception jesus holy spirit capable working physical conception mary capable employing physical agency joseph seed work materialistic times interpret viginity loss solely terms physical matter purity higher level important thing mary joseph conscious union gospel dedication half opening chapter genealogy joseph relevant jesus virgin birth withstanding question answer creates begin problems resolves evangelists relating births children sets parents names parents child birthplace bethlehem point common stories matthew luke converge accounts thirty years baptism jesus jordan rudolf steiner offered explanation accounts begin children converge accounts jesus nazareth derive resolution biblical study speculation external documents discussion bring limits appropriateness newsgroup case details steiner spiritual guidance human humanity gospel luke gospel matthew rudolf steiner methods explanation accepted valid interpretation resolves apparent contradictions genealogies leaving text intact passing jewishness mother issue jesus questioned mary jewishness issue genealogies paternal line descent david king gerry palo 
atheists hell organization boston university boston lines imagine worst depth despair encountered worst physical pain experienced people suffer emotional physical mental anguish lives deaths merciful pain death lived hundred lives conclusion instantly reborn lived million billion years state forever happen jesus heard lived suffering died wages paragraph jesus sins surprised moderator reasonable explanation 
homosexuality issues christianity organization university georgia athens lines article loisc lois christiansen writes article fsspr alaska wrote visit congregations christians happen homosexuals spirit filled believers gifts spirit endorsement behavior people suffered similar beliefs jesus people lord lord proclaiming miraculous works jesus workers iniquity depart happen commits homosexual holy spirit morally perfect forgive repent people careful gift spirit dangerous hebrews partaken holy spirit powers world lord working community homosexual community change sexual nature jesus change nature lift submit hand nature practicing homosexual acts homosexual lusts violates morality ignorant weak faith celebate sake practicing homosexuality worth cost soul homosexual considered ignorant link hudson 
mormon temples organization boeing computer services lines mserv mail server writes thing understand sacred make temple rituals secret attributes sacred case spoken common manner trampled feet lords today ceremonies performed temple temple sacred holy uncommon place ceremonies interpreted correctly viewed spirit case temple point view brought public trampled feet misinterpretations mocking offensive assume words official spokesman church stating general feeling feel free disagree steve ward boeing 
immaculate conception organization lines maxwell muir writes quick question mary immaculately concieved pure vessel perfect meaning sinless female human held highly catholic church basically patriarchical structure immaculately conceived subject original committed personal life special degree grace granted regarded highly special relationship flows relationship catholic church sees fathers early church figure mother living genetic sense mary mother living order grace grace jesus christ mary 
people married organization school arts sciences upenn lines reason death penalty revenge refute position refute position acknosledge speaking small piece problem broad sweeping reason tough crack death penalty really year releases crime stats showing overwhelming amount crime committed repeat offenders people killed folks killed times aobut folks death penalty revenge recidivism 
serbian genocide work lines note original poster answering important article andrew byler writes revdak writes evil result human sinfulness sense sense evil happen happen sense wills happen condone evil good desires seperated desires saved timothy obvious saved thwarted escaped appears grace disposed wishes question evil occur answer evil occur condone ultimate plan brought sucess personally suggest reading parts summa theologica thomas deal knowledge good grasp idea whoo careful language voluntarily giving omniscience world decide free sense evil occur sense held responsible chaplain saved save step direction save read sentence carefully save accept salvation predestination stuff deleted deserves punishment simply pointing serbians croatians instruments punishment israelites cannanites trouble guess things resolved argument accept interpretation deleted issue questioning made world chooses discerning world intends debate oppose serbians ethnic cleansing christians participants wars slaughters mitigate fact evil continue patient perish waits foreknown turn evil predestination correct predestination choose accept gift salvation fundamental difference resolved deleted evil befalling bosnians justified guilt punishing evil justified evil purposes accusing bosnians guilty great sins judge defendants time judgement sincerely hope pray jesus christ advocate judgement judge mete punishment judgement evil human beings taht good thing worries argument convince people stop rape killing christ jesus stopped stoning adulterous woman good parallel stop murder violation people innocent andy byler vera clock bind today vera noyes religion strong noye uchicago trinity disclaimer lard patrick breastplate disclaim 
people married reply gchin organization microsystems lines article rutgers johnson yusef tariq writes wedding happen church reqirement bride agree marry christian wedding proces marriage discussed bible person civil marriage standards imposed society live civil marriage wedding church call marriage ahead hope young people follow gary chin staff engineer microsystems view gchin original message claims marriage discussed bible disagree aspects marriage discussed paul letters ephesians sees marriage symbol relationship church means specifically marriage ceremony true people christian marriage takes place church parties undertake commitments marriage bible 
mormon temples organization university utah dept lines mserv mail server writes thing understand sacred make temple rituals secret sacred secret explanation misleading profound reverence temple endowment injunction discussing ceremony public public discussion irreverent mormons silent cherished practice maligned elements ceremony participants explicitly covenant reveal conjunction ceremony granted gnostic christians secret rituals pagan christian mystery religions interpretations christian history matter recall gnostics written enemies eusebius claims jesus imparted secret information peter james john resurrection apostles transmitted information rest twelve eusebius historia ecclesiastica irenaeus claims information passed priests bishops heresies eusebius disagrees claims secret ceremonies christian church perished apostles interestingly eusebius refers groups today call gnostics promulgators false gnosis eusebius gripe thay professed gnosis wrong writings dealing jesus post resurrection teachings emphasize secrecy concealment policy teaching things indiscriminately story simon magus opens dialog peter nature peter response father souls made permitted disclose things clementine recognitions theme underlies recognitions idea doctrines idly taught level spiritual maturity reached approach evidence ways intend interpret christian history evidence exists favorably interpreted early christian rites analogous practiced mormons today testament christianity biblical judaism made secret practices judaism christianity ceremonies expect read public documents search book mormon mormon scripture find information temple worship establish mormons worship temples hard pressed characterize worship basis conclude bible explains practices place absence descriptions proves exist mormon scholar hugh nibley offers list scriptures mysteries kingdom heaven matt receive save matt things bear john time cometh speak proverbs shew plainly father john unspeakable words lawful utter things write paper speak face face nibley cumorah interpreted ways serve show doctrines taught taught openly heard joseph smith entire practice ritual secrecy surrounding ritual freemasons authoritative information claim true historically joseph smith adiministering temple endowment ceremony year joining freemasons diary evidence supports claim rite change smith mason argued smith ample exposure masonic proceedings burlesque time brother hyrum mason specific connection established conversations masons respect temple rite transcriptions appeared connection masonry mormonism fairly tenuous moderator notes similar removed recent revisions temple ceremony critics charge mormon rites lifted freemasonry adequate knowledge rites question windley university utah salt lake city jwindley utah 
mormon temples organization university victoria lines mserv mail server writes boeing steve ward writes ukans writes question mormon temple rituals deleted brevity thought interject offend temple goers temple ceremonies sacred promises divulge trust telling cerermony thing understand sacred make temple rituals secret lots sacred things christianity including sacred scriptures secret things lord reveal things world publish widely things sacred place post conditions feels precedents scripture knowledge sacred things withheld transfiguration jesus instructed peter james john vision risen dead matt living time savior public record event faithful friend paul experiences vision paradise heard unspeakable words lawful utter person heard paul write corinthians incident recorded book mormon words uttered babes forbidden write nephi entire text access nephi behold pass morrow multitude gathered heard children babes open mouths utter marvelous things things utter forbidden write scholars speculate words written sacred portions temple withhold world understand mormons limit temple access faithful mormons understood emphasis shrouding temple ritual mystery discuss temple ordinances discuss baptisms vicarious ordinances dead discuss concepts endowment ritual elements discuss including saints temple portion endowment receive tokens signs permit access heaven knowledge sacred respect conditions revealed idler 
doctrine original reply eugene bigelow organization microsystems lines unclean enter heaven babies born state hell doctrine augustine thomas coures original sins thier souls suffer lightest punishment loss vision oand presence change undeniable fact possibly forgivenss original inherit eternal life augustine pelagian heretics taught christian teach unbaptized infants forgivenss original bible fair true possibly fair infants 
question virgin mary organization university illinois urbana lines follow mark posting current investigations church recently declared crying statue messages mary akita japan approved found month proof department start appearances mary fatima things pictures miracle appeared major american newspaper york times major european newspapers talk post hours topic thesis write bless mike walker info uiuc 
portland earthquake organization university illinois urbana lines archau austin archer writes interested views event christian discriminate messages spurious heuristic avoid embracing messages fulfillment proven false causing christ disrepute problem careful understanding scripture anytime proven events mistaken points failure understanding result reevaluation accept truth hasten skeptical cynical prophesies tend christians stock church represents christ world christians avoid made laughing stock world dishonor wolf tend comments good point true false predictions dangerous warned scripture false prophtets case issues falsly report visions reason believing impression asserting response response posting response topic appearances mary fatima portugal things predicted conversion russia atheism happened year bolshevik revolution predicted world predicte predicted occur papacy pope current happened warned fire warning world start week germany invaded weathermen women suppose europe england spain eastern europe reported spectacular reddish color recorded explain northern lights relation mary prediction simply coincidence decide mary predicted atheistic russia spread evils world persecute religion things numerous list single realized term coincidence times explanation ridiculous false prophets false reports true remain open fatima occuring apparitions taking place medjurgorje yugoslavia called mary appearing eleven years time world started listening info peace christ lord mike walker uiuc 
arrogance christians organization massachusetts institute technology lines news writes arrogance arrogance result religion result people knowing firmly believing idea desire show rightness assume decided judge sake kind merciful judge judged judged judged judgment judged lord discipled condemned world physically present spirit passed judgment present spiritual makes judgments things subject judgement mind lord instruct mind christ jude enoch seventh adam prophesied lord coming thousands thousands holy judge convict ungodly ungodly acts ungodly harsh words ungodly sinners spoken arrogance desire show rightness sign arrogance cases sign bible jude merciful doubt snatch fire save show mercy mixed fear hating clothing stained corrupted flesh find arrogant typically hope find arrogant sounds practice ignoring people perceive arrogant james dear brothers note quick listen slow speak slow angry aaron 
christianity repeated lives reply eugene bigelow organization microsystems lines christianity precludes idea repeated lives earth paragraph testament opinion makes positive inference reincarnation remember head basically jesus talking apostles pharisees messiah elijah jesus replies elijah recognize apostles perceived refering john baptist imply reincarnation offer reasonable alternative interpretation interested hear 
satanic tounges organization university colorado boulder lines article marka harris mark ashley writes article matthew huntbach writes claims authenticated cases people making prolonged speeches real languages observations speaking tongues practice simple test people speak language chinese russian german english gifted start speaking toungues audience understand gifted native language gifted hear speaking language points speaking tongues thing problematic prayer language troubling understand pray tongues spirit talking pray pray spirit spirit talking pentecost actual language phrase speak tongues angels paul misleading context assume angelic tongue speak language angelic tongue hmm testament story tower babel punished giving language assume angels language angels punished manner supposed angelic tongues sound disturbing people find ways justify jabbering idea talk language learned trouble stories abound attempts verification test spirit show witness real idea circumstances outright fabrication involved brother puka story previous post friend friend thing linguistically syllable word qualifies language inflection faith healers trouble proving victories ailments cured plain unprovable modern ressurrections validated true modern xenoglossolalia proved clergy 
giving spiritual gifts reply cwru douglas fowler organization case western reserve university cleveland lines thought share nice experience exam today walking streets campus beggar asked spare change dollar gave wanting give money strangers generally give dollar food mcdonalds offered spiritual gifts called gifts money talked great felt made pretty nice give people married talked husband house felt special love lord unselfish kind caring warmed heart people monetarily realize spiritually rich good lesson counted sold bought doug fowler cwru heaven great lasts forever great scorer mark writes lost played game grantland rice 
variants text cont organization lines echo andrew kille wrote published form english type recension acts bezae bizarre gospels type texts share bezae strange readings stands codex claromontanus frank 
satan kicked heaven biblical organization purdue university engineering computer network lines article eastee bitnet writes question satan taught long time satan angel kicked heaven challenged authority problem find bible bible originate satan highest ranking angels uriel raphael michael gabriel fact satanel challenge authority kicked heaven mythology satan lost suffix fell book enoch found bible read book enoch bookstores book called angels endangered species steven salaris dangerous live crew salaris wustl stupid foul language ideas philosophy geoff tate queensryche 
people atheists reply noye uchicago organization university chicago lines article mayne writes article sapienza umich sapienza writes atheists atheists believes result brokenness condescending slightly disquised hominem attack attitude part theists vocal reason hostility sense atheists people turn religion immature emotionalism agree find people share beliefs attack condescend hope neutral picture open mind atheists generally broken effect emotional price hearing beliefs lack thereof condemned motives character attacked sort anti belief negative connotation meant simply exist christians feel sense difference weird televangelists talk satan excuse cliched sound deal differences people understand atheist hard christian hard atheist reason good reason religion taught painful pressure family friends wanted accepted finally cognitive dissonance great repress feel able discuss fear admirable things learn belief enrich questions atheists learn answers stronger faith faith support knowing answers questions weak untrue sympathy gays growing repressive environments hide deny part case rationality sexuality forced repress pressures chose beliefs choice born necessity flames people choose lifestyle newsgroup wasn hurt experiences church friends atheists hurt differently understand sentence explain moderator points atheists hostile cease believiing xiantiy religion true people robertson christian extremists religion christianity naturally evoke hostility attacks disagrees attempts force views company christians preach atheism surprised hostility ouch part christian accepting open heart including people camp completely disagree token accusation suspicion reach faith effective browbeat people accepting religion idea mission christian happy faith happiness religion share pressure make decisions point agree disagree acceptance diversity uniformity peace bill mayne vera noyes clock bind today vera noyes religion strong noye uchicago trinity disclaimer lard patrick breastplate disclaim 
satan kicked heaven biblical reply noye uchicago organization university chicago lines article eastee bitnet writes question satan taught long time satan angel kicked heaven challenged authority problem find bible bible originate workshop episcopalian student gathering couple months wanted answer story specifically told bible references made primarily testament testament view satan excuse devil advocate yahweh book back fallen angel story references lucifer bible mistranslation morning star king james version isaiah referred babylonian monarch king referred louis story rolling long time milton paradise lost invented sketchiness rest hurry lunch feel free email stuff found result bible concordance program called quickverse lousy wondering eddie western kentucky university eastee bitnet hope helped vera cherche agree pourra aider mylene farmer religious views suis interesting generation desenchantee vera noyes mylene farmer noye uchicago 
monophysites mike walker organization harvard university science center lines article andrew byler writes mike walker standard formula fully fully human object jesus human usual analysis part basic definition humanity consequence fall jesus human fallen human differ moderator thought idea coming earth live subject death consecration prayers book common prayer puts jesus tempted succumb part basic definition humanity jesus fully human nicea subject resurrection loses meaning encounter humanity powerfully distinguish human fallen human makes jesus time issues mighty subtle people things hard things terminology question problem nestorius agree christ human form real human nature heretical wary copts armenians recent discussions suggest monophysite position orthodoxy thought nestorius extreme representative major schools thought moderate representatives regarded orthodox theodore mopsuestia impression modern monophysite groups inherit entire tradition nestorius version sufficient balanced position regarded orthodox monophysites inherited nestorius version opposite spectrum historical record suggests positions attributed nestorius extreme successful opponents wrote conventional history claimed nestorius opposed term theotokos mary arguing correctly human called mother athanasian creed talk uncreate surely arians concede jesus existed long mary nestorius opponents claimed mary theotokos claimed gave birth human nature jesus require seperate distinct natures argument fails mary simply gave birth jesus preexisted divinely accept nestorianism commonly defined natures intertwined chalcedon nestorianism alternative orthodox view find hard incarnation jesus human nature heaven likewise post ascension earth nature seperate nature capable tempted gethsemane divine nature tempted moments weakness divine nature prevailed comments warmly appreciated jason albert differences subject original complaint call jesus fully human completely agree jesus subject temptation simply object idea succumbing fully human order human apologize confusing nestorianism monophysitism agree reason heretical positions fact heretical scholars maintain nestorius nestorian confess time read correspondence nestorius opponents thought scholars work eventually chalcedon advance nestorius rash dogmatic editor christological controversy refers rejecting approaches regular usenet readers narrowness impediment wrong things problematical responds mild letter cyril flame worthy usenet attribute logos incarnation characteristics flesh conjoined brother work mind errs fashion greeks mind diseased insane heresy arius apollinaris carried idea association bound make divine logos part milk participate degree growh stand angelic assistance fearfulness things falsely deity occasion condemnation perpetrate falsehood good maintain proper distinction humanity divinity concept incarnation based idea divine logos fact degree part born growing dying understood indirectness logos participation things sort identification divine human incarnation nestorius black white terms missed sorts nuances deal area find hard incarnation jesus human nature heaven required orthodox doctrine divine logos eternal 
translations organization university virginia lines version bible accurate translation 
satan organization purdue university engineering computer network lines told satan angel charge music heaven beautiful angels funny days bible music beauty days controls bands popular matter fact politically correct madonna musical talent television station tells dress started retro fashion craze madonna food thought wierd theory revelation true today changing waters music fashion world beast arise madonna whore babylon riding beast drinking blood martyrs hmm great idea book movie steven salaris dangerous live crew salaris wustl stupid foul language ideas philosophy geoff tate queensryche 
satanic tounges organization university pennsylvania lines article koberg colorado allen koberg writes crepancy charismatic organizations proper tongues revelatory interpretation prayer signifying believers doubt pentecostals assembly church christ espouse pentecostals tend view prayer sign speaking tongues service pentecostals part attend protestant churches denominational churches view sign optional recommended koberg couple minor corrections churches christ speaking tongues fact strongly opposed pentecostal teaching thinking church christ largest african american pentecostal denomination signifying believers pointed assemblies held speaking tongues sign christian doctrine traditional pentecostals including maintain speaking tongues sign experience christian baptized holy spirit referring point pentecostals frequently labeled believing speak tongues order christian position held groups majority pentecostals pentecostals quote passage mark signs generally interpret meaning pactice signs saved hard summarize beliefs movement diversity made pretty generalizations pentecostals tongues sign tongues prayer tongues revelatory message heard fact characterized believing pentecostals tongues sign spirit baptism pentecostals inclined speak tongues pentecostal churches attend meetings cases church charismatic banner dept religious studies university pennsylvania kbanner upenn 
major views trinity lines jackson ajackson wrote article green writes describe trinity simple declarative sentences words common meaning answer question appears submit helped enormously posted apologize middle ages customary pastors explain trinity parishoners analogy water water water exist forms liquid vapor essence exist forms recently pastor church drew analogy found woman percieved ways depending relationship mother wife employee business clear essence subsist father holy spirit depending carol bocher 
homosexuality issues christiani organization laurentian university lines thinks homosexuality christianity compatible romans corinthians timothy jude peter verses pertain homosexuality christ love bryan whitsell waiting question rephrased verses bible condem homosexuality beliefs shoved throats homosexuals long time meaning christians question interpret verses discussion issue issue requires proof case disproof opposing view familiar verses proven condem homosexual behaviour establish reasons believing true based interpretation scriptures grips todd 
pology organization york university lines responded post week carried hostile tone apologizing intent create contriversy piss people offend 
national repentance reply jwaugh ohio state organization programs university georgia athens lines christians praying coporate forgiveness national sins michael covington claims lewis lewis made point essay world christian leaders britain urging national repentance horrors sins world michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio surprised heard kind remark fellow grad student seminary training read essay find lewis making claim lewis condemning coporate prayer efforts platforms make political jabs opponents feigned confessions guilt lord forgive allowing insert political issue idea platform exist country wrong forgiveness interested knowing part essay feel condemns national repentance quote jonathan waugh graduate research associate pulmonary medicine ohio state university samp perry columbus jwaugh ohio state 
mary assumption organization university southern california angeles lines points mary heaven life earth piece evidence mary assumption heaven fact christian church claimed sight buried christian churches claimed located final resting places peter mark saints claimed possess body mary greatest saints knew heaven definitive scriptural proof assumption mary passages suggestive passage revelation describes woman giving birth crowned heavens woman passage interpretations symbol church assumption mary makes sense relationship christ jesus perfect perfect fulfilled requirements perfectly gave honor mother father christ taking mother heaven part fulfillment flesh decide flesh grave point catholic attempted explain catholic doctrine assumption asserting connected belief mary correct summary catholics dogma assumption carefully phrased avoid mary fact consensus catholic theologians mary fact make sense christ died mother waited foot cross share death brian finnerty 
christians fight justifiable organization university otago lines posted couple weeks appeared newsgroup reply moderator intermittent problems mail time excuse christians fight week alastair posted questions fighting things justifiable wars started things jotted findings answered questions slightly tack possibly able deeply post info duty neighbour good love neighbour matt part good samaritan luke trouble render assistance injured part organisation people harm medical corps army christians faith citizens commonwealth israel ephesians recognise rules kingdoms taking part struggles nations part faith strangers pilgrims nations passing part nation national aspirations applied politics story supposed strive resist evil suffer defrauded incosistent strive assist preserving state christ destroy returns kingdom duty state render caesar things caesar things luke soul subject higher powers power powers ordained whosoever resisteth power resisteth ordinance submit ordinance lord sake king supreme silence ignorance foolish scriptures make clear submission powers divine command equally clear acts ordinance runs counter refuse submission reason bond servants service life task type thing bondservants work heartily lord work boss pressed shaken running oops side track contests nations side side fighting battle testifying truth embrace promises fellow citizens saints household longer interested associations world relation unions paul tells weight race wise discard association retard progress thou endure hardness good soldier jesus christ warreth entangleth affairs life hath chosen soldier entanglements warns unequally yoked unbelievers obvious applications marriage unbelievers covers things business partnerships position form close association person persons believing truth case army principle deut remember animals strengths clean unclean ideas strongly stressed suggest read yoking aspect servitude jesus yoke yoked christ yoked unbelievers bondservants christ paul bondservants testament question asked shouldest thou ungodly situation good yoked unbelievers jehoshaphat lucky escape life facts made affinity ahab sold work wickedness lord kings asked ahab form military alliance agreed thou people people kings unequal yoking sttod firm refusing advice false prophets insisted hearing prophet lord thing found yoked break evil association made separate touch unclean thing receive sons daughters found answered questions raised alastair heres summary things christian command obedience command essential factor relationship christ john total dedication action required romans disobedience compromises close relationship christ followers separated involves master servant relationship serve masters matt kosmos lust pride opposed john christs kingdom world worldly nature servants fight deliver christ master delivered servants kingdom world servants possibly fight master strangers pilgrims rights swear allegiance servant lord gentle apply avoiding strife lives waged weapons armour post time things gideon king phone university otago department computer science mail gideon otago dunedin mail preferred zealand 
maria goretti organization monash university melb australia lines heres life maria goretti posted kind permission editor australian catholic magazine morning star hope prevent maria goretti maria born october luigi assunta goretti eldest daughter family cheerful imitating parents disire receive lord blessed sacrament date finally maria receive lord feast corpus christi maria time eter nity slowly neared great finally arrived jerome priest celebrate mass give children holy communion delivered sermon immense love jesus christ great love return warmly urged commit mortal maria humbly approached altar received holy eucharist sadness thought father absence died time rest maria remained spell divine visit thoughts changed holy communion ended happiest maria life twelve months maria changed giggling quiet young lady responsibilities mother fields place husband maria ironing cooking washing motherly duties family serenellis father lived goretti owning share farm maria poorer children surpassed virtue holy month june alessandro serenelli made advances maria chanced occasions maria managed struggle free alessandro strong grip threatened kill uttered word mother maria lived terror fearing alessandro attack july alessandro left work fields handkerchief claimed storeroom beneath house maria landing baby hear fumbling tools wondered learned sharpening blade house called maria told knew needed stormed landing dragged room instantly realized touch hell point alessandro held knife maria chest floor maria gathered energy alessandro chosen martyrdom satan overcome rage alessandro plunged knife maria breast fourteen times finally senses thought maria dead frantically threw knife closet locked room crying baby teresa landing brought attention assunta father alessandro baby unattended danger falling house find maria covered blood dragging door asked happened alessandro stabbed wanted make wrong ambulance arrived police alessandro ambulance carried maria hospital large crowd foot doctors hospital held hope poor maria jerome gave maria communion administer rites give holy viaticum asked maria forgive murderer love jesus forgive join paradise forgive alread maria died clock alessandro found guilty maria death sentenced thirty years prison years violent prisoner show regret crime dream midst field flowers maria holding bunch white lilies wrote local bishop begging grave committed gave testimony maria beatification years maria canonised assunta goretti mother present daughter canonisation maria goretti pure grant strength commit mortal saint maria goretti pray brendan arthur internet simon monash viva cristo long live christ king 
mormon beliefs bastards organization jersey institute technology lines enlighten mormon church views children born wedlock interested stigma attached children opposed parents keen learn prohibition mormon faith bastards entering heaven names entered genealogical book mormons salt lake city issue official position changed time interested learning beliefs mail posting fine information pointers appreciated elliotte rusty harold department mathematics elharo njit jersey institute technology njit newark 
national repentance organization university nebraska lincoln lines mcovingt michael covington writes heard radio today christian student conference christians called repent america national sins sexual promiscuity repent claim repent fact judging jesus equipped judge activities warned judge people judge judged strictly speaking repent guess line talk generalized repentence contribution participation sins society tacit approval silence sinful attitudes practices plain begging mercy hoping withhold hand judgement country sake abraham sought sake hmm results pretty cautionary times observed sinful activity destructive activity strong impression folks christ pity crowds sheep shepherd rings true folks clue bear responsibility communicated worse expressed judgement disgust doings alienated positive relationship pass positive repent score real interesting question paul marxhausen university nebraska lincoln grace 
people atheists organization georgia institute technology lines article muirm organpipe arizona maxwell muir writes candor happy proven wrong believing atheism problem proven wrong mentioning nonsense psychology atheism muir asks question sound broken answer affirmative answer sound intellectually dishonest accused heinous crime thinking person time accused politically correct christians besieged group permitted luxury arrogance question world respecting atheist subscribe christian news group difficult time keeping subject reminds roommate order disbelieve atheism proven wrong waste time word response tells atheist prayer good luck randal nicholas mandock catechist gatech 
satan kicked heaven biblical organization university illinois urbana lines eastee bitnet writes question satan taught long time satan angel kicked heaven challenged authority problem find bible bible originate wondering eddie quick answer revelation heaven michael angels fought dragon angels fought back dragon strong lost place heaven great dragon hurled ancient serpent called devil satan leads world astray hurled earth angels earlier part chapter deals symbolically satan rose battle michael good angels place hope clears mike walker 
doctrine original organization university illinois urbana lines quick reminder interpreting passages opinion make sound opinion undisputable fact interpret passages cite differently great theologians mentioned thing people expertise interpretation scripture reading newsgroup wrong opinion notice words coming pretty darn close pride future suggest absolutist interpretations contradicting highly respected doctors christianity mike walker uiuc univ illinois 
homosexuality issues christianity organization panix public access unix lines whitsebd rose hulman bryan whitsell writes thinks homosexuality christianity compatible check romans corinthians timothy jude peter verses pertain homosexuality homosexual christians checked verses incredibly perverse interpretations simply address issues careful spirit exegesis christians suggest stop proof texting things michael siemon gods sons high fall prince psalm 
divorce organization stanford university lines deleted article order discuss specific issue acceptable divorce article washington cliff slaughterbeck writes married happily wonderful supportive husband gave birth sons perfect jane open deepest part soul husband found closer women friends husband good loing husband struggled decided lesbian home announce understanding husband told understanding years waiting realization time children ages time extremely supportive youngest means love people jane husband agreed divorce remain friends part extended family interesting things jane discussion homosexuality bedroom found able deep committed relationship woman mind part relationship thing interconnects people made specific point good married wonderful dozen years seconds honestly ponder thought implications thought implications scary generation families broken decided leave wives children thrill younger attractive woman accept legitimate jane divorced accept decision divorce found deep committed relationship marriage state mutual journey life love passive feeling actively willed acceptable older executive dump wife years stayed home care children happy sexually beautiful young blonde real solution couple make renewed effort hold fast faith lord repeatedly compared relation people faithful enduring husband learn deep mystical marry remain faithful times trial spouse brain tumor left partially paralyzed resume growing remission time sexual relations life lord give permission seek satisfy idea alright divorce couple grows lead monstrous destruction meaning marriage feel make effort avoid hint compromise petty small minded husbands threatening divorce wives wives lose weight praise lord guiding marry wife married possibility terrible illness turned brain tumor cared accident tomorrow paralyzed neck married couple deal situations lord divorce 
mormon temples organization massachusetts institute technology lines wondering knew temple ceremony fifty years made revelation assimilation mainstream christianity makers published rituals changed interested influence freemasonry early mormonism smith family nauvoo settlement info studies appreciated freddie eaton llcoolj 
homosexuality issues christianity organization university arizona tucson lines cite biblical references homosexuality immoral leviticus verses leviticus spouted rest book christians haven stonings long time muir list posted long recall commonly cited passages story sodom note homosexual rape disagreement wrong intermediate position note sodom referred bible sinfulness specifically homosexuality considered cesspool sins jewish attitudes homosexuality contributed horror action contrived combine forms evil homosexual rape guests angels story specifically homosexuality clear references paul letters passage presupposes homosexuality evil note passage homosexuality idolatry homosexuality visited people punishment result idolatry number arguments passage word homosexuality referring people nature heterosexual practicing homosexuality call explicit teaching homosexuality support natural assumption paul shares general negative jewish attitude homosexuality passages occur lists sins clear words suggestions broader meaning wanton specifically male prostitute precise teaching homosexuality weak supportive evidence paul shared negative judgement homosexuality jude cited relevant context jude involves angels raped sodom angels strange flesh refers intercourse angels evidence people conclusion determined approach bible conservatives note passages paul letters imply accepted prohibition regard endorsement liberals note specific teaching clear definition prohibited concern connection homosexuality pagan worship words lists sins legitimate regard attitude paul background specific teaching gospel explosive topic result long dissertations exact meaning greek words clear irrelevant people bible approach inconsistent gospel appears depend reaction message bible perception church today difference approach difference protestant catholic cent sides bible side thinking quote passages side finally senses makes things frustrating moderator realizes optimistic outcome 
morality massacres lines listmember andrew killie wrote response suggestion genocide works indescribably evil unworthy worship faith nobuya higgy higashiyama replied substance source moral standards judge behavior argued standing judge actions clay talk back potter find contrary view scripture proposes destroy city sodom genesis abraham suppose good city destroy righteous wicked lord thing judge earth told hebrew stronger rendered dynamic equivalence shame lord thing definition good statement good meaning simply case love obey good motive left obeying powerful makes sense obey dictator tells round jews exterminate defy chamber makes sense obey power punish ethical theory radical contradiction genesis christianity general theory makes moral judgements worthless makes discussion morality goodness meaningless follow moral judgements infallible cases judgements cases action achieve good result read scriptural accounts actions history actions expect loves desires leaving scriptures natural world find nature expect work benevolent deity origen author nature author scriptures expect find scriptures sort difficulties find nature difficulties exist argument existence power wisdom goodness contrary absence argument suppose watching bobby fisher play chess suppose time makes move find nodding good move expecting move made playing sign fisher chess player expect moves thinking suppose induced real slip thrown game similarly understands workings universe expected made mistake difference fisher chessboard controls universe chess game fisher wins revise earlier inference carelessness made lose queen moves earlier loses time opportunity checkmate moves good player thought hand life total result actions grounds judging move part shakier grounds making similar judgement fisher book genesis read joseph older brothers good reason found insufferable conspired sell slavery egypt eventually viceroy famine canaan able provide family brothers nervously apologized told worry meant evil turned good heard rabbi speak text history jews largely history events catastrophes threaten continued survival religion people amazingly events turn saving jews judaism sale joseph brothers looked breakup family fact ended reconciliation quarrel famine drove family canaan looked misfortune fact stayed canaan intermarried canaanites assimilated culture oppression egyptians generations arrival egypt looked disaster bring egypt promised land people built temple regularly offered sacrifices babylonians captured jerusalem judea destroyed temple city countryside deported people babylon thought people religion living canaan people constant danger assimilation turned worship lord worship canaanite fertility cults ritual prostitution ritual human sacrifice babylonian captivity stop jews show interest polytheism idolatry worship canaanites babylonians foothold judaism danger simply system sacrifices temple observances prescribed acts worship consisted coming jerusalem offering sacrifice captivity temple jews invented synagogue place meeting reading study discussion scriptures realize danger forgetting continued live judea simply local tribal deity controller land canaan patron jewish people creator world ruler judge humans time passed babylonian empire replaced persians greeks macedonians ruler antiochus epiphanes determined stamp judaism made reading study torah punishable death judaism people worship reading torah portion appointed read passage prophets similar theme discuss time torah called books moses genesis exodus leviticus numbers deuteronomy books read studied synagogue antiochus books prophets forgotten altogether hatred judaism saved examples omitted brevity sake remember julie andrews famous eliza doolittle stage production fair lady warner brothers undertook make movie expected julie magnificent stage play role movie studio decided established screen star cast audrey hepburn julie andrews naturally crushed realized played screen role type cast life elize doolittle type disaster walt disney offered role mary poppins oscar presentation stood smiling walt disney special made jack warner memorable line evening similar spirit jews providence preserved judaism alive beginning joseph brothers continuing pharaohs nebuchadnezzar antiochus epiphanes formal meeting broken woman privately talking holocaust answered mind talking talk bear assume meant holocaust state israel hearing rabbi lecture leap conclusion dependent wickedness accomplish purposes rabbi thought suppose wickedness fact stirred joseph brothers murderous hate israelites egypt hardened pharaoh heart oppressed people raises questions action considered wicked time considered brought suggest sculptor wood proposes carve statue smooth grain large knot spoils appearance surface sculptor considers wood carves statue features knot makes interruption grain color wood correspond feature statue observers fortunate sculptor finding piece wood knot place presence crowning touch thing makes statue great work reality knot sculptor challenge skill wood contained flaw made great work joseph brothers sold brought purposes jewish people manner judas betrayed jesus caiaphas fellow leaders rejected jesus acknowledged annointed pilate conscience fears jesus free crucifixion redemption salvation judas redeem judas christ reconciled world michelangelo painted sistine chapel interior shaped grand central station bobby fisher fourth game agianst spassky spassky refused exchange bishops attacked fisher knight bother game question making point valid cowardice pilate accomplish purposes cowardice pilate thwarted plans behaving justly courageously make place moses harden pharaoh heart people christians pharaoh puppet pulling strings stubbornness cruelty work work suppose telling moses pharaoh people discouraged suppose situation control purposes thwarted pharaoh chooses hear people good resistance plans perfectly future historians theologians suppose thrown loss pharaoh obeyed return question started serbs slaughtering moslems bosnia instruments point wrong joseph brothers wrong judas wrong intend evil brings good make subject condemnation punishment point bring good good brought serbians refrained sins robbery rape murder good purposes excuse duty james kiefer 
question agnostic organization pegasus honolulu lines damon matter system explanation creation accept start premises creation creation alternatives accept premises alternatives creation random plan random unable accept complex nature world interrelated interdependent organisms creatures exist left creation control intelligence capable devising scheme call intelligence prefer creatio nihilo chaos cleaner prove choose explanation feel comfortable damon live choice shalom howard 
christianity repeated lives organization university georgia athens lines article danc daniel cossack writes writes apostle paul romans points chose jacob esau admit possibility lived previous lives accordance asiatic idea karma romans written jacob loved esau hated loved hated past tense born good evil woah context calling special people jews carry promise read meaning literal people miss paul entire point glad send detailed explanations passage interested kalivoda tedr university georgia athens institute higher 
deuterocanonicals sirach organization freshman civil engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines dave davis writes state point provocatively study bibles leaning heavily assertion sirach wisdom sira ecclesiasticus directly referenced james fact sirach directly referenced james ruth referenced verse good point testament quote ezra nehemiah esther ruth ecclesiastes song songs quote deuterocanon quotation disqualify quotation wisodm solomon influence paul letter romans romans wisdom stuff deleted agree principles consistently applied principles exclude accord authority scripture require reasons reasons tradition episcop tradition equivocal subject sirach vaticanus sinaiticus listed muratorian canon oldest list sirach discussed fathers scripture unanimously true accepted scripture niether books testament accepted puts argument books excluded debated universally accepted hebrews apocalypse peter esther debated times eventually retained codexes mention vaticanus sinaitcus include deuterocanon bothe testaments vaticanus inlcudes clement shepard hermas epistle baranabas muratorian canon deals testament valuable witness books interim conclusion protestant exclusion writings traditions hears excluded reformation appears reason people continue exclude takers reasonable fails show wrong wrong tradition exlcude explain read church nmae divine scripture canonical scriptures canoncial scriptures genesis exodus leviticus numbers deuteronomy joshua judges ruth books kingdoms samuel kings books paralpomenon chronicles psalter david books solomon proverbs ecclesiastes song songs wisdom solomon misatributed wisdom jesus sirach books twelve minor prophets isaiah jeremiah jeremiah lamentations baruch letter counted ezekiel daniel tobit judith esther books ezra ezra nehemiah books maccabees testament books gospel book acts apostles thirteen letters paul apostle letter hebrews peter apostle john apostle jude apostle james book apocalypse john council hippo statute list promulgated council carthage sixth council carthage council list enumerated words recieved fathers books read church quiet assert holy scripture understand books authority doubt church episcopal church removing deuterocanon realm scripture episcopalians hold high regard read church counted scripture prove dogma lutherans hold similarly earlier mention called apocrypha divine scripture found inlcude portion quotes calling divine scripture found writings fathers reason testament reckoned consisting twenty books correspond number letters hebrew alphabet noted adding tobias judith twenty books number letters greeks hillary poitiers commentaries psalms prologue twenty books hebrews jeremiah lamentations letter reckoned maccabees origen commentaries psalms psalm divine scripture addressing love boastful excellently baruch clement alexandria instuctor children learned accurately books testament proverbs solomon wisdom melito sardes fragment found eusebius history church dating crica book likewise decreed treat divine scriptures universal catholic church accepts shun list testament wisdom book ecclesiasticus book tobit book judith book maccabees books damasus pope decree damsus section shown church accepted deutero canon parts disputed persons disputes involving testament deutero canon disqulaify books hebrews james peter john jude revelation protestant eyes disqulaify testament books point jews drew canon years founding christian religion cross adhere canon drawn faithless reaction chrsitian greek septuagint includes deutero canon early justin accused jews mutilating canon scripture removal books protestants apparently prefer revelation limited decree jews ordering jews faithless canon people apostles drawing canon apostles users septuagint testament quotes wording septuagint hebrew septuagint includes deuterocanon 
deuterocanonicals sirach organization university illinois urbana lines wagner math david wagner writes deutero canonical books added church history spiritual quality rest scripture church added books guided spirit sort discussion ultimately ends david wagner confessional lutheran whoah whoah whoah whoah paragraph killed deuterocanonicals accepted inspired scripture catholic church existed longer protestant church martin luther began hacking bible deciding remove books fact catholic church decided reason difference catholic protestant bibles tone comment irked mike walker uiuc univ illinois 
christians fight justifiable organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article gideon gideon king writes posted couple weeks appeared newsgroup reply moderator intermittent problems mail time excuse christians fight week alastair posted questions fighting things justifiable wars started things jotted findings answered questions slightly tack possibly able deeply post info suggest book ethics norm geisler dallas theological seminary arguments reasonable answer time interest post position noring charter member infj club dying infj means brave mail send info noring noring international fred gourmet chocolate carlton place phone chips world livermore mail read psychology personality action 
valid organization freshman civil engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines peir yuan asks jewish history part torah books torah jewish history recorded testament shown archaeology kings revivals temples torah books moses prophets prophets joshua judges samuel kings writings psalms proverbs lamentations ruth esther ezra nehemiah ecclesiates song songs chronicles veracity isaiah quoted moslem friend complete manuscript exists dates back past museum israel found dead scrolls greatly enhanced knowledge veracity testament date back time christ oldest complete manuscript hebrew moslem friend sorely mistaken understandably jesus crucified atoned sins death atone sins humanity isaiah predicts messiah called mighty rose paul wrote death hold jesus rose dead moslem friend reason moslem denies authenticity testament andy byler 
revelations babylon organization freshman civil engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines rexlex fnal writes interest note occasion jubilee pope medallion cast image side side church rome symbolized woman holding left hand cross legend sedet super universum world seat read medal worth woman church catholics called church holy mother church mother cyprian carthage wrote father church mother image church woman holding cross crucifxition lord power blood grail legend significantly shows covenant blood shed luke represents covenant holds blood redemption fact woman holding world seat catholic church catholic universal found world church shows crucifixtion applies blood redemption mankind spread thorugh holy sacrafice mass celebrated nations malachi predicted malachi rising setting great gentiles sacrafice offered clean oblation great gentiles lord hosts acknowledge paul wrote bread drink show lord death corinthians identification babylon great mother harlots rome simply disagree time period rome apostle john talking andy byler 
revelations babylon organization freshman civil engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines heydt writes fall western empire eastern empire continued years element fall christian sack constantinople note fall rome empire roman empire lasted transfered capital constantinople main reason fall sack constantinople crusade christians excommunicated attacking christian city zara croatia disastorous defeat battle mazinkert turks breached frontier matter time empire fell inability empire hold anatolia ottomans seljuks middle obvious student history sack constantinople hastened inevitable greeks wanted save empire cooperate crusaders battle saracens crusades obstinacy cooperating people considered heretics heretics fighting empire christendom battle turkish hordes anatolia edessa lebanon palastine syria hordes sack constantinople overrun europe balkans hungary ukraine caucasus andy byler 
translations organization programs university georgia athens lines article andi beyer writes version bible accurate translation knowing greek hebrew picky translations english translations source information verse substantially trans lations unclear original practice shop translation fits doctrinal positions personally nrsv nasv good strong preference editions indent beginning verse verses paragraphs verse numbering modern addition undue prominence michael covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt university georgia phone athens georgia amateur radio 
doctrine original organization western kentucky university bowling green lines sinned short glory romans cite scripture claim babes require baptism neglect imputed romans capable comprehending laws accountable living book life removed make conscious decision disobey idler babies supposed baptised bible people wrong taught baptised christ solemly assure enter kingdom born water spirit surprised begotten born original mike 
monophysites mike walker organization freshman civil engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nabil ayoub writes final note oriental orthodox eastren orthodox sign common statement christology heresey monophysitism condemned coptic orthodox church monophysitism coptic church energy christ human divine wills energies objection copts pope rome coptic catholic church reject supreme jurisdiction sucessor peter blessed john mark bishop alexandria translator predecessors infallibility things andy byler 
serbian genocide work organization freshman civil engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines vera shanti noyes writes predestination correct predestination choose accept gift salvation fundamental difference resolved predestination biblical doctrine romans shows passages church taught predestination beginning predestination free freely choose life affected grace unlike calvinists jansenists hold grace resistable idiocy denying universal saving timothy give grace saved elect foreknew predestined receive grace final perserverance guarantees heaven grace saved means foreknew obstinacy chose give knowing freely chosen hell people saved saved grace effort disposed predestined saints perish everlasting fire perish hardened heart chose perish deserving punishment rejected creator sinned working holy spirit judge mete punishment judgement hold blessing good bless life blesses punish life chastised purgatory sins incurs temporal punishment punish satisfaction made samuel david adultery murder forgiven punished death child point idea punishment judgement prevelant bible sodom gommorrah moses barred holy land slaughter cannanites annias saphira jerusalem jesus stopped stoning adulterous woman good parallel stop murder violation people innocent stop slaughter innocent proverbs christians support bosnia involved isolationist disagree foreign adventures general case bosnia frankly excuse militarily involved blessed peacemakers lord interventionists actions bosnia peace unrelated justify andy byler 
doctrine original organization freshman civil engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines eugene bigelow writes doesn bible fair true possibly fair infants fair giving deserve infants time conception romans psalm possibly merit heaven purgatory purging temporal punishment venial sins impossible origianl forgiven unbaptized infants human race mary sinned jesus enter kingdom born water spirit true meaning born john infants fair exlcuded heaven augustine invent original catholic faith holds ancient time deny doubt follower heresy nuptiis andy byler 
obvious politically correct organization bell laboratories murray hill lines state church massachusetts adams patriot brewmaster tenure governor revolutionary passed eliminated 
control hell news organization manes associates distribution newsreader version lines hambidge wrote article manes linknet steve manes writes rate capita rate dangerous killed handgun average individual citizen killed means average swiss feel killed means handgun wouldn absurd argument switzerland size eigth people point swiss soil crow bait importantly killed stranger approaching swiss street betraying lack understanding rate versus total number rates expressed population place deaths population rate place deaths population rate higher rate higher total simple enuff chrissakes calculator work numbers preformatted make easier handgun homicides population switzerland switzerland safer liberal handgun rate total number choice stephen manes manes linknet manes associates york 
control hell news organization manes associates newsreader version lines arras handheld wrote year suffered wrongful accidental deaths handguns statistics year suffered deaths scotland yard statistics population weighted population handgun related deaths brits make murdering people baseball bats compare homicides shown capita handguns availability makes preferred murder weapon weapon step favorite favorite lethal study violence chicago produced table percentage reported knife attacks resulting death weapon deaths percentage attacks knives total attacks guns total attacks source firearms violence american life contended murderers deprived guns find kill knives knife attacks cities guns widely homicide expected show fatality rate knife attacks cities guns widely vancouver show higher fatality rate commission prevention violence task force analyzed data found case appeared number knife attacks increased relation number firearms attacks happened guns assailants proportion fatal knife attacks increase relative proportion attacks fact reverse true found homicides show determination part assailant kill fatalities caused knife tended show single mindedness part assailant grave physical injury multiple stabs wounds wounds concentrated head neck chest homicides show pattern fatal attacks committed moment rage focused intent kill victim source report firearms violence england ancestors left oppression compare england strict laws england strict laws able draw meaning england essentially legalized drugs drug gangs battling turf drop drug related killings peaceful factors make difference fond making kind social parallels europeans americans cultural beahvioral economic differences similarities sort found backed corner couple weeks attain levels european violent crime banned guns required abiding citizen carry loaded hand draw lessons neighbors culturally similar canadians fact exhaustive year study respective crime rates vancouver british columbia seattle washington cities roughly population urban economy geography crime decidedly approaches control seattle handguns purchased legally defense waiting period permit obtained carry concealed weapon recreational handguns minimally restricted vancouver defense considered valid legal reason purchase handgun concealed weapons permitted recreational handguns target shooting collecting regulated province purchase handgun requires restricted weapons permit permit carry obtained order transport weapon licensed shooting clubs handguns transported vehicle stored trunk locked short control unreasonably cities aggressively enforce laws convictions related offenses carry similar penalties researchers studied cases robbery assault simple aggravated burglary homicides occurring seattle vancouver defining cases standard unified crime report results year study annual rate robbery seattle found slightly higher vancouver burglaries occurred identical rates assaults recorded seattle versus vancouver risk victim simple assault seattle found slightly higher vancouver risk aggravated assault slightly higher aggravated assaults subdivided weapon mechanism assault clear pattern emerged cities reported identical rates aggravated assault involving knives dangerous weapons firearms seattle fact times year study homicides occurred seattle homicides vancouver adjustment differences populations relative risk victim homicide seattle compared vancouver found homicides subdivided mechanism death rate homicide knives weapons excluding firearms seattle found identical vancouver virtually increased risk death seattle fivefold higher rate homicide firearms handguns accounted roughly homicides involving firearms handguns times homicides seattle vancouver authors report investigated legally justifiable homicides defense homicides occurred year study committed police cases civilians acting defense occurred seattle vancouver involved firearms excluding cases virtually impact earlier findings feel fair report make argument biased canada vancouver reports annual rates homicide times ottawa calgary toronto seattle reports annual homicide rates half thirds chicago angeles houston critics handgun control argue limited legal access handguns effect rates homicide persons intent killing harder acquire kill means report shows differently rate homicide community influenced strength intent availability weapons expect rate homicides weapons guns higher vancouver seattle study interval vancouver rate homicide weapons guns significantly higher seattle suggesting assailants switched homicide methods ready access handguns defense abiding citizens endorsed report seattle experience higher rate firearm death defense cases accounted homicides cities study period reported seattle apparently enjoy relief crime category vancouver citizens legally defense heavily quoted source handgun regulation crime assaults homicide tale cities john sloan arthur kellerman donald reay james ferris thomas koepsall frederick rivara charles rice laurel gray james logerfo stephen manes manes linknet manes associates york 
control hell news organization manes associates distribution newsreader version lines steve rose wrote frank crary posted difference capita crime rates predates control laws homicide rate england tenth america back england paperwork steve manes asks citation colin greenwood scotland yard study showed control effect crime murder rates book firearms controls published london keegan paul misspelled dispute richard hofstadter newton zimring statistics dissimilar cultures difficult quantify state control effect homicide rates accidentalo 
vancouver seattle study critiques organization distribution lines open letter paul blackman research coordinator official journal dear england journal medicine publication small scale studies related firearms conclusions drawn quantum leaps data announcements momentus scientific findings regularly released press caveats riddle conclusory paragraphs accompanied editorial calling attention findings generally present interesting data meaningless studies misinterpret statistics ignore belittle studies criminologists latest effort handgun regulations crime assaults homicide tale cities sloan accompanying editorial firearms injuries call science employees centers disease control november insult intelligence scholar field data flaws feel compelled write length call attention major minor failings order authors misleadingly cite wright support statement argued restricting access handguns substantially reduce annual rate homicide wright fact studied rejected contention authors pretended vancouver seattle similar cities similar economic circumstances histories demographic characteristics fact cities demographic characteristics explain completely higher homicide rate seattle cities forths hispanic white hispanic white homicide rates reported seattle vancouver back grounds problems circumstances behaviors ethnic minorities explain difference homicide authors pretend evaluating canada compared washington state examine situation vancouver prior taking effect years prior vancouver averaged homicides year eighth involving handguns years nejm article homicides year eigth involving handguns surely medical profession recognizes prior situation concluding change made difference physician conclude patient benefiting eating bran muffin years cholesterol level started regimen authors pick medium sized cities evaluate national learned tiny arbitrarily selected sample seattle appears selected convienient authors scientific reason physicians call scientific study involved experimental subject dissimilar control arbitrarily selected cities chosen opposite scientific conclusions follow vancouver homicide rate exceeds wild west cities texas paso corpus christi austen colorado colorado springs authors fail demonstrate firearms handguns commonly owned seattle vancouver surrogate approaches pretending study availability firearms handguns apples oranges effort compare number carry permits seattle number registered handguns vancouver number understates number handguns seattle counts primarily protective handgun owners tells number handguns vancouver counts protective handguns part difficult obtain handguns legally protection registration figures meaningless registered handguns york city york daily news sept comparing method suggests handguns population york city compared vancouver meaning vancouver greater prevalence weapons york city method measuring density cook prevalence index previously validated measure intercity differences validation cook theory opinions sought doctor significantly cook index based average percentage firearms involvement suicide homicide authors basically taking measure misuse unsurprisingly misuse homicide seattle vancouver related misuse homicide suicide divided seattle vancouver authors measuring relative avail ability firearms handguns seattle vancouver authors misstate laws washington canada neglect mention significant fact washington waiting period background check prior purchase handgun provisions exist canadian owning carrying handguns personal protection authors make difficult handgun legally canada case authors ignore factors explain differences crime rate vague mention penalities provided roughest estimates clearence offense homicide involving firearm measure differences number enforcement officers aggressiveness making arrests violations jurisdictions arrest rates offenses conviction rates actual sentences imposed related crimes violent crimes guns violations incarceration rates social scientists attempt measure hold differences authors nejm tale cities fail mention factors related crime control authors dismiss claims handguns effective means protection criminal killed case criminologists found americans annually handguns protection criminals protection reduces liklihood crime rape robbery assault completed criminal reduces likelihood injury victim interesting nonetheless authors reported number civilian justifiable homicides firearms city restrictive seattle accounted reported civilian justifiable homicides involving firearms centers disease control funded study editorially praised paper applied scientific methods examine focus contention betweeb advocates stricter regulation firearms handguns paper possibly mistaken scientific methods sociologists criminologists vancouver seattle study equivolent testing experimental drug control hypertension finding ordinary middle class white males aged taking vital signs administering experimental drug year giving year placebo taking blood pressure finding younger lower blood pressure announcing special article medical breakthrough nice study funded printed nejm longstanding anti biases nejm make present shoddy research scientific breakthroughs special articles editorials relating firearms obligated correct record notifying news media congressional executive oversight activities centers disease control distortions contained handgun regulations crime assaults homicides tale cities firearm injuries call science scientific standards wayside england journal medicine seize opportunity attack firearms ownership america references wright weapons crime violence america literature review research agenda washington department justice scarff evaluation canadian control legislation final report ottawa ministry solicitor general canada department justice federal bureau investigation crime united states uniform crime reports washington government printing office cook role firearms violent crime wolfgang weiner criminal violence beverly hills calif sage kleck crime control private armed force social problems ziegenhagen brosnan victim responses robbery crime control policy criminology lizotte determinants completeing rape assault journal quantitative criminology sayles kleck rape resistance paper american society criminology convention chicago mercy houk firearm injuries call science nejm guns sputter james wright july issue reason free minds free markets wrote statistics bikini real suggestive conceal vital problem demonstrated recent entry long line scientific research purporting show causal link availability homicide funded federal government published year england journal medicine study compared homicide rates seattle vancouver suggested handgun reduce rate homicide community medical doctors published handgun regulations crime assaults homicide essentially reasoned steps historical social demographic similarities vancouver markedly lower homicide rate stricter regulations make guns step reasoning indisputable homicide rate seattle period popuation compared vancouver homicide common seattle question authors present believable accurate case support notion claimed step reasoning vancouver handgun regulations stringent evidence difference availabilty indirect unpersuasive acknowledge direct evidence point exist offer fragments inferential data support claim guns seattle matter empirical fact opposite true asked conclusion study difference availability explains difference homicide rates difference availability established situation troublesome indirect bits evidence difference number concealed weapons permits issued seattle number restricted weapons permits issued vancouver differences cities permit regulations render numbers strictly noncomparable evidence cook prevalence index stands percent seattle percent vancouver cook index measure relative prevalence ownership cities measures misuse average percentage homicides suicides involving firearms present case index shows homicides suicides firearms seatte vancouver cook index measure general firearms availability assumed proportional involvement guns homicides suicides directly related relative availability general population authors seeking prove assume seeking prove prove basis assumption constitute scientific evidence grant basis compelling evidence guns common vancouver question authors attribute seattle higher crime rate higher rate ownership argued crime homicide rates reduce motivation average citizens obtain guns words crime rates explain variation ownership vice versa fact commonly argued great britain rate violent crime function nation strict laws consequent rate ownership british researcher colin greenwood found great britain enjoyed rates violent crime decades strict firearms controls enacted invoke ancient methodological correlation problems study lack direct data ownership authors seattle vancouver similar ways implying differ availability stringency crime rates evident attempt establish ceteris paribus condition sound scientific analysis equal things compared cities similar ways closer reveals differences ways relevant respective crime homicide rates cities closely matched percentage population white percent percent seattle percent black vancouver percent vancouver minority population overwhelmingly asian authors show cities approximately comparable half dozen readily demographic indicators shown potentially relevant sources variation ruled fact differences racial compositions cities relevant light study breakdown homicide rates race victim white majority homicide rates identical seattle vancouver differing homicide rates cities vastly rates racial minorities blacks observed difference homicide rate hispanics methodoligical complexities render asian comparison problematic higher seattle vancouver racial minorities victims homicide seattle vancouver white majority equally slain city initial difference homicide reates cities exclusively differences minority groups fair postulated difference availability strigency matter dramatically minorities matter whites differential availability explain blacks hispanics whites killed seattle vancouver studies united states incidentally show large consistent racial differences ownership explanations plausible disparity canadian american rates poverty racial minorities relative rates drug alcohol abuse homelessness minority population city seattle runs largest shelter homeless west mississippi unemployment young central city nonwhite united states exceeds percent comparable canadian percentage crucial point canada united states differ ways cities population subgroups countries absent detailed analysis ways explain part difference homicide rates gross comparisons seattle vancouver equal authors study acknowledge racial patterns homicide result complex picture acknowledge ensuing complexities undercut main thrust argument acknowledge socio economic status important confounding factor comparison remarking blacks vancouver slightly higher income rest vancouver population evidence presented article difference homicide rates seattle vancouver results greater proverty seattle racial minorities authors attention possibility detailed information household incomes race vancouver largely insurmountable methodological difficulties confronted gross comparative studies sort illustrated simple couties compare terms pervalence ownership crime homicide rates find astonishing pattern counties guns crime conclude evidence guns reduce crime insist variables account hidden variable city size guns common small towns rural areas crime city problem researchers failed anticipate variable lacked data examine consequences coud misled study hand authors matched cities size minority poverty rates hidden variables results impossible interpret editorial firearm injuries call science accompanying study officials centers disease control lauded authors applying scientific methods problem grave public heath significance attempting draw causal conclusions nonexperimental research essence scientific method anticipate plausible alternative explanations results rule absent effort results scientific polemics masquerading research study number recent efforts employing practical identical research designs published leading scientific journals concern james wright professor sociology tulane university researched extensively relationship firearms crime reason published monthly combined august september issue reason foundation nonprofit exempt organization subscription rate year reason foundation ocean park blvd suite santa monica 
waco dates coincidental organization csli stanford university distribution lines agent interviewed street stories reported raid planned ahead knew coming raid planned days plan continued failure obvious part larger political agenda president clinton suggest loss agents inconsequential context political agenda beneficial agenda helps point evil assualt weapons proof denied agents street stories report requests sufficient fire power important dates assembly votes overturn assault weapon compound waco attacked jersey assembly voted overturn assault weapon state looked tight vote senate vote overturn eastern state overturn assault weapon clintons stated agenda control suspect clinton gave order group assualt weapons press present initially incident waco record event audience agent street stories reported supervisor urging ready fast coming attack continued probablility failure high assembly vote limited amount time wackos waco bill nicely rich 
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control hell news article hinnl distribution organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host sandman caltech manes linknet steve manes writes hambidge wrote article manes linknet steve manes writes rate capita rate dangerous killed handgun average individual citizen killed means average swiss feel killed means handgun wouldn absurd argument switzerland size eigth people point swiss soil crow bait importantly killed stranger approaching swiss street killed handgun killed dead care shot stabbed death betraying lack understanding rate versus total number rates expressed population place deaths population rate place deaths population rate higher rate higher total simple enuff chrissakes calculator work numbers preformatted make easier handgun homicides population switzerland switzerland safer liberal handgun rate total number choice stephen manes manes linknet manes associates york accurate indicator safe england compared switzerland concentrating handgun murders completely ignoring murders weapons mention rate violent crimes guns circulation people killed person intent committing crime knife bare hands control lobby understand point people intent committing crime means aaron caltech 
waco militia assembles keywords salute organization netcom line communication services guest distribution lines dumb move smart move sneak camera video transmitter john nagle 
nuts holly silva article calspan organization calspan advanced technology center lines nntp posting host riemann article irvine uiuc brent irvine writes article rcanders nice writes nuts gays aggressively defensive hostile deprive rights group protect rights fallacy thing rights jeapardy posts presume talking restricting rights restricting rights arguing restrictions lead implementation assault lead battery legal definitions people homosexual groups discuss subject polite form mere raising question rights encompasses bring shrill posts angry hostile traffic speak homosexuals alot polite discussion word mine matter read determine direction flameage originates post flamebait generally receive reasoned responses true tend lose tempers quickly newsgroups feel rights jeopardy neat trick talking derisively newsgroup crossposting defend people thin skin discussing subjects methinks doth protest dave schabel dave schabel opinions comments contained mine schabel necessarilly reflect calspan corp located western customers 
aclu waco shootout organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host sandman caltech handheld arras writes article paul hager writes post mine collection posts aclu position control note position evolving answer question nuclear device amendment prohibit argued operate severely impacting safety rights permitted basis existence weapon true biologics chemical weapons slightly reasons poses threat living critters neutron radiation flux radioactive decay boys aaron caltech 
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suspects drug compound organization dept university texas austin lines nntp posting host utexas article rcanders nice writes press news story reports developments saturday david troy intelligence chief confirmed reports authorities suspected cult methamphetamine evidence drug activity surfaced late investigation cult dealings scope mission continues expand alcohol tobacco firearms involded child protective services drug enforcement evasion road nations boys blue knock hand zeik heil lance lance bledsoe utexas truth truth make free 
threatening owners organization dept university texas austin lines nntp posting host utexas article gswst pitt gary wachs writes writing story future control points opinion wonderful resource newsgroup advantage advance feedback threats owners future government liberals batf concerned ammendment reinterpreted apply armed forces barring civilians owning arms kind contributions taxes abortion elimination fetal tissue clinton president faggot spouse happen control types arms people allowed types feel compelled restrict military bazooka grenade atomic bomb hydrogen bomb describe control activists determined make illegal civilian firearm personally read brady bill entirety gary lance bledsoe utexas truth truth make free 
waco shootout highlights total irresponsibility organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet christopher morton nntp posting host cwru previous article irvine uiuc brent irvine time move juvenile public post mail newsgroup bondage holly silva brent bondage holly silva goofy anti semite smarter opinions 
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govs florio wilder airwaves support brady bill organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host rocket stratus article ndallen node nigel allen writes press release handgun control ironic observing march country finds america level violence unacceptable unbelievable brady chair handgun control staying stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
control organization ideology busters lines article bixledn auburn writes article larry cipriani writes read closely answer civil rights restored feds state feds stopped convicted violent felonies dozen states restore felons civil rights immediately release waiting period post list states quick question larry person civil rights restored considered felon good question considers rights restored makes sense record felony purged person question longer felon states larry cipriani cipriani 
lavishly funded epidemic propaganda campaign commence organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host rocket stratus article manes linknet steve manes writes morris rats wrote neal knox firearms coalition points full force anti ruling class multi millions polling organizations schools news media entertainment media entertainment media force anti ruling class media made billions producing films television glorify guns users anti media kidding absolutely impossible media guilty hypocrisy note film industry california traded political support assault weapon state amendment bill exempting entertainment industry note issue batman comic book seduction produced tool control organizations carries back page terminator video game extolling numerous varied sophisticated weapons player note arthur ochs sulzberger publisher times oldest incessant control grinders carries concealed handgun find completely incredible folks live aphorism stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
govs florio wilder airwaves support brady bill nntp posting host taos organization intel supercomputer systems division lines article fcrary colorado frank crary writes article srussell cornell stephen russell writes obguns moving arizona carries guns approximate probabilities shot months assuming statistics meaningfull criminal hang criminals flash large wads cash wilder parts town utter verbal bigotry public places chances shot higher avoiding behaviors hand decreases chances shot murders criminals killing criminals murders committed people prior history violence simplistic moral suitable year inane posters people things repeatedly kirk hays life seventh generation thing triumph evil good edmund burke 
waco dates coincidental distribution organization hewlett packard laboratories palo alto newsreader version lines richard cower cower stanford wrote raid planned days plan continued failure obvious part larger political agenda president clinton suggest loss agents inconsequential context political agenda beneficial agenda helps point evil assualt weapons proof denied agents street stories report requests sufficient fire power important dates assembly votes overturn assault weapon compound waco attacked jersey assembly voted overturn assault weapon state looked tight vote senate vote overturn eastern state overturn assault weapon clintons stated agenda control suspect clinton gave order group assualt weapons press present initially incident waco record event audience agent street stories reported supervisor urging ready fast coming attack continued probablility failure high assembly vote limited amount time wackos waco bill nicely rich rich year congress debating bushmans crime bill incident lubys cafe occured anti crap amended bill president order find assault weapons bring media hope frankly toon meister scares democratic majority congress apologies demos support rkba definition toon meister characatureic current president clinton clintoon toon meister 
fucks bigtime reply slagle lockheed reply doctor message organization desk lines article doctor patrick hailey writes article slagle lockheed writes article john armond writes familiar libbers care hesitant continue thread brings back horrible memories encounter libbers larouche branch made mistake buying connection lyndon larouche libertarian party pure product fertile imagination reads time magazine fair stretch imagination expect attach credibility written time magazine past twenty years imagine enquirer names attached body parts mark mark slagle slagle lockheed sunnyvale 
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control hell news nntp posting host ucsu colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article manes linknet steve manes writes hand draw lessons neighbors culturally similar canadians canada culturally similar united states england terms laws individual rights restrictions police searches closely related crime canadian laws parallel england differ greatly united states fact exhaustive year study respective crime rates vancouver british columbia seattle washington cities roughly population urban economy geography crime decidedly approaches control roughly urban economy extremely ethnic composition year study homicides occurred seattle homicides vancouver adjustment differences populations relative risk victim homicide seattle compared vancouver found account economic ethnic differences difference disappears completely seattle minorities predominatly poor vancouver middle upper class rates whites cities found identicle rate poor seattle minorities times great minorities vancouver pattern poverty race relations control authors report investigated legally justifiable homicides defense homicides occurred year study committed police cases civilians acting defense occurred gross distortion defense killing attacker cases civilians killing attacker defence cases represent crimes prevented armed defence case cite cases defence crime prevented attacker killed conservative figure based national crime survey estimate crimes prevented armed defence year studies subject figure figures imply sucessful defences involve killing attacker correctly possibly cases civilians acting defence resulted death attacker significant factor comparison homicides memory serves homicides make approximately violent crimes study considered fair comparison homicides prevented homicides study close accurate cases defence frank crary boulder 
bill blame america clinton strikes summary repost rush limbaugh distribution organization duke university durham lines nntp posting host acpub duke jeddi anheuser busch writes argument sounds stupid ability make guns simple metalworking easy drug dealers make wouldn spend hundreds dollars buying made cheap selling exorbitant markup simple truth matter easy make guns banning guns reduce number guns seriuosly impede efforts killer intent buying weapon show tools argument silliest analogy computer science computer science major write wordprocessor comp majors willingly bucks professional software wordperfect write software highly inconvinient guns gunpowder home made quick trip local eleven guns simple make bosnian muslims happy people case metalworking tools banned bosnia deep sarcasm cents resume reading ridiculus post people make living stand comedy forwarded material rubber spheroid arced beneath brilliant lights headed hoop dreams dreamt nights crowd gasped ball descended grant fondest doubt casey mind knew swish 
free membership offer organization reality liberation front pixels people lines andy stanford andy freeman writes supports chance winning election positions fault drug legalizers anti fault drug legalizers elected fault contributing candidate complete asshole saving grace opposes unnecessary restrictions firearms membership dues funding efforts elected problems organization individual members loyal trustworthy honest brave boss reads newsgroup hunting recall desert storm bumper sticker strong political arena contributes reputation amoung people swiss born laws brain funny bout peace love understanding nick lowe animal products tested animals feel optimistic bright future spent time proving outwit nature time tasting sweetness respecting seniority white 
usual organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host sandman caltech kendall loral colin kendall writes heard anti control people giving usual arguments bear arms solve problem people killed guns enforcement strikes argument logically extended nuclear weapon nuclear weapons nuclear weapons blow york chicago long good police force capable finding putting jail serve deterrent anti control people disagree disagree statement nuclear weapons dangerous radioactive decay plutonium uranium tritium weapon dangerous living things neutron flux things defense purposes kinda hard justify militia weapon meant battlefield yield weapons worst industrial target obliteration translation cities population centers mention militia weapon expect user live requires sort launch vehicle aaron caltech 
control hell news nntp posting host ucsu colorado organization university colorado boulder distribution lines article manes linknet steve manes writes good refering homocides involving handguns fixation death shooting worse death stabbing relevance homicides debate issue guns baseball bats issue reducing crime guns control lower crime address issue simpleton stands chance surviving attack baseball matter assaults baseball common muggers rely primarily threat rarely shoot victim mugger knife start stabbing victim effort incapacitate knif deadly criminals knife opposed threatening victim clear replacing criminal knife reduce murders stabbings common important homicide rate avoids issue substitution criminal techinques weapons measures prevent murders knives earlier post face knife face possibly facing knife welding attackers common stabbing warning supprise usual tactic criminals shoot cover attracts attention chance pockets threatened stabbed knife fortunately defense knife knife trained unarmed defense problem disarming knife assailant untrained knife assault means knife assailants exact statement true guns training unarmed defence disarm untrained gunman problem ignore criminal reaction national crime survey shows criminals unarmed armed knife unwilling risk lives confrontation faced threat prefer leave find easier target threatening commonly case weapon defence attacker armed knives effective guns criminals knifes threat guns frank crary boulder 
control hell news nntp posting host ucsu colorado organization university colorado boulder distribution lines article manes linknet steve manes writes state control effect homicide rates arguing effect positive effect negative side abiding citizens armed fireamrs pistols part prevent national crime survey kleck crimes year extremes studies find number crimes homicides private ownership firearms saves approximately lives year roughly criminal homicides fatal accidents involving guns year benefit show control measures disarm criminals guns hard federal batf criminals guns counter control laws nature effect legal sales remove benefits armed abiding citizens minimal effect armed criminals large guns illegally sound benefit accidentalhomicides america licensed weapons licensed weapons assume supporting reasonable laws waiting periods background checks licenses complete alter statistic refer assume supporting people dies falling stairs accidental handgun deaths significant household accidents american children accidentally shot children year handgun homicides great britain children died drowning drinking poisonous household chemicals drano falls real goal reduce tragic accidental deaths children drain cleaners palce start restricting ownership professionals plumbers dictionary arguments rates total numbers offered emphasis comparison call emphasis refering completely statistics sentence implies comparison valid numbers convince people kindest thing call propaganda frank crary boulder 
control hell news nntp posting host ucsu colorado organization university colorado boulder distribution lines article manes linknet steve manes writes betraying lack understanding rate versus total number rates expressed population place deaths population rate place deaths population rate higher rate higher total simple enuff chrissakes calculator work numbers preformatted make easier handgun homicides population switzerland switzerland safer liberal handgun rate total number choice homicides total guns knives tire irons baseball bats bare hands switzerland year homicides total england times worse capita england switzerland dead dead matter switz murders involved english murderers frank crary boulder 
bill blame america clinton strikes nntp posting host ucsu colorado organization university colorado boulder distribution lines article duke emil chuck writes argument sounds stupid ability make guns simple metalworking easy drug dealers make wouldn angeles police department illegal manufacture primary sources machine guns submachine guns crimes sumggling theft police military washington police stated remembering figure correctly guns conficate illegally built spend hundreds dollars buying made cheap selling exorbitant markup takes hours tools make reasonable quality drug dealer enjoyes messing lathe hobby materials hours machinist time legal blackmarket prices guns range cited newspaper articles simple truth matter easy make guns banning guns reduce number guns seriuosly impede efforts killer intent buying weapon washington total handguns prohibits assembled rifles city limits homicide rate times national average illegal resident drive virginia maryland suburbs dealers required federal check make buyer state easily side stepped show tools argument silliest analogy computer science computer science major write wordprocessor comp majors willingly bucks professional software wordperfect write software highly inconvinient write fact people write years find friend good programer give copy software case people illegal copies word processors people affordable legally illegally guns gunpowder home made formula half million years restrict sales sulpher charcoal saltpeter alot cruder modern smokless powder works real problems reduction energy magnum deadly makes alot smoke smart black marketeer make steal ammunition police police corruptable things disappear police evidence rooms armories reappear streets guns simple make bosnian muslims happy people case metalworking tools banned bosnia deep sarcasm watching news years serbs invade slovinia driven weeks partisans armed home made anti tank weapons afghan rebels frequently made rifles frank crary boulder 
break minutes organization bank america systems engineering pasadena lines angeles radio station weekend lawyers family murdered rancher angeles sheriff department assessment rancher property raid strongly implies sheriff department wanted property drugs found excuse viet calley convicted murder troops setting deliberately killed innocent people time domestic enforcement agencies country adhere standards moral military greed killed rancher possibly greed killed davidian children government greed time prosecute leaders perform invasions fred franceschi opinions 
control hell news organization manes associates newsreader version lines spencer spencer wrote manes linknet steve manes writes arras handheld wrote year suffered wrongful accidental deaths handguns statistics year suffered deaths scotland yard statistics population weighted population handgun related deaths brits make murdering people baseball bats snip examine figures stabbing favourite closely striking punching kicking people burnt death britain shot death means people shot death great britain stephen manes manes linknet manes associates york 
control hell news organization manes associates distribution newsreader version lines arras handheld wrote article manes linknet steve manes writes state control effect homicide rates accidental homicides america licensed weapons american children accidentally shot children year handgun homicides great britain source national safety council dictionary arguments rates total numbers offered emphasis comparison great debater chose sources information claim superior made claim direct attention posting mine claimed superior sources information bothered post references content post numbers pulled ozone confused fact twisting apologize twisted numbers twist fair opportunity prove twisted numbers grounds contradict references citations sources similar gratuitous shots compare absolute numbers countries major population differences whine afraid attack process claim numbers emphasis comparison emphasis nitpicking scolding whiney debating style blowing smoke seddit brudda stephen manes manes linknet manes associates york 
universal bear arms organization oklahoma state university computer science stillwater lines nathan biology yale nathan janette writes article kennejs okstate kennedy james scot writes gary uucp gary coffman writes article nathan biology yale writes article miles stephen grant writes nathan biology yale nathan janette writes suppose true maintain hunting weapons plink cans targets random suitable real hunting wrong legal hunt kentucky picture friend nice point buck shot rifle deer hunters condone friends choice rifle agree nathan deer hunter find inhumane underpowered weapons deer hunting kill cleanly requires extremely good marksmanship hunting situations perfect shots hunters sufficiently powerful weapons drop deer single chest adequate task similar ballistics familiar marginal hands expert lucky hunters respect quarry gary agree popular loading small deer sized game semi spritzer sierra semi pointed bullet suitable round shots reasonable range lower acceptable performance long distance shots west hunting monster mule deer declared legal deer hunting oklahoma excellent varmit hunting pest control suited heavy barrel heat shielded foregrip high power scope heaven nathan janette refering specific chambering rifle question thinks loading rifles place deer hunting opinion sportsmen loading rifles shotguns wrongo referring round auto loading aspect rifle problem responsible hunting include machine guns choppers semi fine uncle bagged deer gauge slugs prefer hunter catch condone hunting sport imho questions asserted suitable real hunting problem hunting loading rifles hunting deer smaller game nickname notice referred janette super powers spider powdered toast scott kennedy brewer patriot defender truth justice amendment kennejs okstate 
break minutes nntp posting host taos organization intel supercomputer systems division lines article franceschi bofa writes angeles radio station weekend lawyers family murdered rancher angeles sheriff department assessment rancher property raid briefing documents raid notation similar local property sold prior raid recent coverage believed strongly implies sheriff department wanted property drugs found excuse ventura county conclusion report released lambasted sheriff office blind goose stepping drug warriors kirk hays life seventh generation thing triumph evil good edmund burke 
universal bear arms organization california institute technology pasadena lines distribution nntp posting host sandman caltech rats morris writes wrong proof turn show starring chuck connors called rifleman time fast fire lever action rifle remember advertisement selling apparently winchester produced bunch commercially commemorate television show sold handgun barrel length lack stock mistaking weapon steve mcqueen wanted dead alive winchester make commemorative models rifle chuck connors movie chuck connors member died recently winchester made commemeratives recall correctly rifle model oversized loop lever winchester makes rifle rossi make model alike special magnum aaron caltech 
aclu waco shootout organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host sandman caltech paul hager writes amendment bear bear defined carry people physically unable carry hundred pound nuclear device understand kiloton nuclear demolitions portable carried backpack recall kennedy administration kiloton nuclear weapons withdrawn europe destroyed portable made shoulder mount rocket launchers smallest nuclear test data tenth kiloton weapon tested late early aaron caltech 
break minutes organization propulsion laboratory lines distribution world nntp posting host useragent nuntius xxdate article franceschi bofa writes viet calley convicted murder troops setting deliberately killed innocent people time domestic enforcement agencies country adhere standards moral military calley acquitted troops killed people including kids elderly women domestic enforcement agencies country adhere military standards trouble massacre covered high ranking officials involved acquitted minh minh lang software engineer propulsion laboratory instrumentation systems group instrumentation section note employer 
distribution talk organization earlham college richmond indiana lines article nigel allen nigel allen writes press release handgun control sarah brady calls governor veto bill bayh urged follow clinton lead state desk contact cheryl brolin handgun control washington april letter today indiana evan bayh sarah brady wife white house press secretary james brady chair handgun control called governor veto backed preemption legislation wipe existing local laws prohibit localities enacting future regulations governing sale possession transfer firearms counting bayh show kind political courage president clinton showed governor arkansas vetoed type special interest legislation brady referring clinton veto backed preemption bills knew cutie sell full blooded democrat folks happen remember racks happen letter ready dear cutie vote sincerely unhappy nigel allen toronto ontario canada nigel allen canada remote systems toronto ontario save rush jason alley opinions expressed earlham college richmond aliens living pancreas alleyja earlham empire ended 
usual organization california institute technology pasadena lines distribution nntp posting host sandman caltech hollombe polymath writes possession nuclear arms weapons grade fissionables regulated market forces make steal thing stops staggering cost nations afford fact sell tight security maintained existing stocks saddam hussein impression obtain fissionable materials plutonium reactor weapons grade uranium required obtain federal permit materials source fissionables build bomb garage parts hardware stores electronic junk supplies engage shady dealings explosive charge trivial compared plutonium basic information design declassified years technical library physics grad student bother material covered term weeks nuclear chemistry derive build bomb explosive charge chemist synthesize variety explosives commonly chemicals garage felt electronics detonator shaped charges trickier impossible tricks trade wanted nasty include core hydrogen deuterium hardest part fissionable material start living long bomb plutonium nasty properties polymath jerry hollombe hollombe head robot wrangler citicorp laws define crime ocean park blvd police enforce laws santa monica citizens prevent crime aaron caltech 
nytimes yellow sheet editorial organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host sandman caltech feustel david feustel writes uninformed purposefully ignorant control ranting deleted prohibited researching effectiveness taggants explosives taggants cheap technologically feasible microscopic additive investigators crime scenes world trade center bombing trace explosives involved hell explosives bombing consensus explosive fertilizer based ammonium nitrate exact tons disappears year recall stat correctly disregarding reality push point bunk deleted aaron caltech 
waco dates coincidental distribution lines clinton policy wonk facilitators arranged waco raid display piece constitution bush administration material drug constitution remember baggie crack george waved cameras dealer ghetto brought white house drugs dealt white house lawn honestly clinton moral qualms raid worrisome thing heroic defense ranch make clinton constitution successfull wanted media politicians filter general public stand friends family adnd public anytime supposed moral qualms important issue heroes fight oppressive government watkins eecs brian watkins 
control proud canuck organization colorado springs division lines nntp posting host fajita swiss borders adult male owns rifle great admirer swiss years peace turf zilch ownership picture hitler panzers focke wulfs poised border losing sleep thousand expert rifleman hitler stayed switzerland swiss money world emulate forget rifles street disband start national investment banking association replete black sticker back window bubba mercedes fire charlton heston paul volcker spokesman 
questions ponder distribution nntp posting host blanca lance colostate organization colorado state university fort collins lines libertarian amendment caucus fort collins colorado submitted questionnaire city council candidates upcoming election expected candidates responded watching feel free questions strike fancy inspiration state writing publicly demonstrated violated oath office resign office circumstances rights group rights individual support city charter amendment prohibiting city government officials agents employees initiating force human reason list order precedence lowest highest city ordinance city resolution state federal statute constitution state constitution city official employee paid average private sector constituent involuntary contributions legitimate means funding council programs support program recognizing taxpayers earmark taxes specific programs event candidate city election option candidate highest vote total fills office special election held fill office previous candidates eligible office remain unfilled unfunded election abolish office return questionnaire address choice signature date line added taking time fill questionnaire questionnaires addressed stamped envelopes person perfect score questionnaire write cathy smith opinions 
control proud canuck nntp posting host ucsu colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article dduff dave duff writes swiss borders adult male owns rifle great admirer swiss years peace turf zilch ownership picture hitler panzers focke wulfs poised border losing sleep thousand expert rifleman swiss population larger question losing sleep million expert riflemen conquered switzerland million armed militiamen mountainous area tanks effectiveness limited made real pain question conqueror worth trouble difficult invasion answer million riflemen opposed professional army twenty thousand country size switzerland support makes invasions difficult hitler stayed switzerland swiss money world prove today steriotype swiss bankers essential german time economy frank crary boulder 
usual organization iowa state university ames lines caltech aaron clements writes disagree statement nuclear weapons dangerous radioactive decay plutonium uranium tritium weapon dangerous living things neutron flux background radiation living denver office limestone building standing power reactor full power standing nuclear warhead armed shielding dictionary feet lead make decent shielding dead skin cell layer excellent alpha particles neutrons slowed mere water things defense purposes kinda hard justify militia weapon meant battlefield yield weapons worst industrial target obliteration translation cities population centers militia overthrow illegal government weapons militia areas leveling pentagon good thing overthrow carrying backpack stand chance thousand armed colt peacemakers defense reason sole means justification overthrow government ceases legal government weapon easily rifle larger needed kill human human wearing armor riding things weapon problem manner contention mention militia weapon expect user live requires sort launch vehicle guess alarm clock heard terms timer martyr forget remote detonation devices radio pickup easily transmit miles decent weather blast radius portable nuclear devices radioactive decay worried 
usual organization iowa state university ames distribution lines caltech aaron clements writes impression obtain fissionable materials plutonium reactor weapons grade uranium required obtain federal permit materials start working yellowcake devise system sources handles reactor fuel leases reactors certifies reactors military sources private citizen official sources bother material covered term weeks nuclear chemistry derive build bomb freshman level chemistry deal make work level physics difference explosive charge chemist synthesize variety explosives commonly chemicals garage felt electronics detonator shaped charges trickier impossible tricks trade wanted nasty include core hydrogen deuterium admit stop physics make funds time answer lock surely comparison anti laws play hardest part fissionable material start living long bomb plutonium nasty properties precisely readily utilized lead home made bombs plutonium laws physics make creation device manufacturing facilities probability 
waco shootout highlights total irresponsibility nntp posting host solomon technet organization technet singapore lines article forda uucp andrew ford agcs phoenix arizona writes article strat steve davis writes stratus tavares writes victim purse snatcher makes purse house keys store back shoot back runs lost sits home tonight sitting duck bastard break fact situation grim purse snatcher home address woman lives great personal danger 
washington state harvard john organization harvard university science center nntp posting host scws harvard lines article hambidge writes article writes acronym concealed carrying weapon basically permit carry concealed pistol revolver phoned licensing division washington state application promptly applicationfor firearms dealer washington firearms safety pamphlet case 
break minutes nntp posting host imagine convex organization engineering convex computer corp richardson disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines article franceschi bofa writes viet calley convicted murder troops setting deliberately killed innocent people time domestic enforcement agencies country adhere standards moral military call responsibility accountability police invariably interpreted soft crime tough crime building prisons seizing property politically astute thing days greed killed rancher possibly greed killed davidian children government greed citizen complacency time prosecute leaders perform invasions forget politicians write laws make easy police agencies corrupt drugs brought corruption legalization stop corruption 
poster times article texas harvard john distribution world organization harvard university science center nntp posting host scws harvard lines good posted article saving nytimes edition planning ytpe people worried media question raid times rabidly anti editorials talk batf agents case 
rkba radio station reply greg webo organization nsdd data general corp lines real reason stern bigger rating share quality call show fine issued started ratings curious individuals wanted greater turn listeners grease words people sick sooner grease vagina penis hilarious time funny time time greatest planet quick give mark wrong excuse show vagina penis ratings address real issues outrageous hear idiots funny show topics time people entertains time listening show closer wrong flash ratings sustain greg lazar greg webo jets jets jets 
founding father questions nntp posting host bigbird lerc nasa organization nasa lewis research center cleveland ohio lines caltech aaron clements writes wasn making comment george born silver foot mouth sounds damn politician days texas anymore politicians corrupt stand apologies exceptions news house thirds majority opposition concern image publicly matter people expect texans congressmen republicans steve podleski phone nasa lewis research center cleveland ohio email pspod lerc nasa 
control hell news organization hand held products lines distribution nntp posting host dale handheld article manes linknet steve manes writes arras handheld wrote article manes linknet steve manes writes state control effect homicide rates accidental homicides america licensed weapons american children accidentally shot children year handgun homicides great britain source national safety council dictionary arguments rates total numbers offered emphasis comparison great debater chose sources information claim superior aware numbers ozone made claim direct attention posting mine claimed superior sources information bothered post references content post numbers pulled ozone confused fact twisting apologize state reference claim good fair treatment twisted numbers twist fair opportunity prove twisted numbers grounds contradict references citations sources similar gratuitous shots fail differences absolute numbers rates compare absolute numbers countries major population differences whine afraid attack process claim numbers emphasis comparison emphasis nitpicking scolding whiney debating style miss point methods prove control total failure york total homocide count strict control higher rhode island strict control folks killed york rhode island mane logic control made york dangerous place rhode island remember nitpicking whiney debating style point differences york rhode island defeat argument blowing smoke seddit brudda agree break stephen manes manes linknet manes associates york 
control hell news nntp posting host ucsu colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article manes linknet steve manes writes year suffered wrongful accidental deaths handguns statistics year suffered deaths scotland yard statistics population weighted population handgun related deaths brits make murdering people baseball bats examine figures stabbing favourite closely striking punching kicking people burnt death britain shot death means people shot death great britain great comfort widows children stabbed beaten burned death real question crime rate england enacted control laws rates effect frank crary boulder 
rmed citizen april nntp posting host hound reply crphilli dazixca ingr organization intergraph electronics mountain view distribution lines armed citizen mere presence firearm shot fired prevents crime instances shown news reports armed citizen shooting justified crime constitutes imminent threat life limb circumstances property accounts clippings members free quote reproduce retired vegas deputy police chief larry bolden initially defend steering wheel lock criminal attacked intruder wrestled bolden pulled pistol fired times wounding attacker stopping incident citizen defending police official review journal vegas pair teenaged robbers armed sawed shotgun handguns receipts brooklyn bodega owner hector martinez made getaway martinez grabbed registered gauge shotgun gave chase fired martinez returned blasts slightly wounding assailants fled apprehended sought medical attention newsday long island sign posted door roman paras shop reads owners property armed highly skilled protect life liberty property criminal attack apparently pair robbers pause read threatened paras wife oxnard calif convenience store hearing scream paras grabbed front store shot masked armed killing criminal times angeles calif anne marie sullivan showering portland oreg home morning heard front door crash jumped shower time entering home running bedroom sullivan retrieved boyfriend pistol fired shots mortally wounding intruder dead lengthy police prison record oregonian portland oreg mike baranelli robbers burst birmingham barber shop money year retired teacher unwilling surrender life intruders ordered baranelli shop owner floor baranelli pulled pistol shot head killing felt dead people divine baranelli sunday advertiser montgomery believing elderly harvey couple easy prey knife wielding home invader death year homeowner loosed rounds semi automatic pistol police dead charged times thefts couple home star chicago heights criminal profile scheduled america wanted shot fame abruptly canceled hallandale service station clerk michigan prison escapee walked station announced robbery cash bullets head chest station clerk gary mcvey police mcvey acted defense face charges sentinel lauderdale bridgeport conn delivery handed dollars thug apparently unsatisfied turned victim demanded money cash deliveryman pulled pistol fired mortally wounding robber police dead held nearby market fatal incident courant hartford conn repeated burglaries marcos calif home joan vessel ready cordless phone heard glass breaking afternoon found teenagers attempting woodshed vessel fired warning shot heads marched front yard called police times advocate escondido calif angry auto insurance canceled client brass knuckles brandon agent steven taylor assailant walked office taylor grabbed pistol held client point police arrived tribune tampa dozing evening exeter office pisano awakened barking sitting stunned amazement watched smashed office window reached grabbed hunting rifles reaching pistol desk pisano fired shots apparently wounding burglars putting flight times leader wilkes barre pair shoes criminal pulled knife demanded money advanced flint mich shoestore owner drew pistol fired critically wounding robber journal flint mich disarmed pistol whipped struggling pair shotgun toting thugs brooklyn pharmacist soel melero continued fighting managed retrieve licensed hidden pistol firing times druggist killed assailants fled empty handed daily news york phillips crphilli dazixca ingr senior customer engineer intergraph electronics east evelyn avenue voice mountain view 
founding father questions lines nntp posting host skndiv dseg reply pyron dseg organization dseg support article pspod lerc nasa steve podleski writes caltech aaron clements writes wasn making comment george born silver foot mouth sounds damn politician days texas anymore politicians corrupt stand apologies exceptions news house thirds majority opposition concern image publicly matter people expect texans congressmen republicans veto proof majority house senate story vowed bill voted power addition senate smaller readily manipulated body ther hand semi automatic live fifty cent house opposes bill order senate addressed bill thought political science class waste time dillon pyron opinions expressed dseg lewisville support sender stated home gave weather complain pyron dseg things padi 
control hell news article martha organization university tennessee division continuing education lines article manes linknet steve manes writes hambidge wrote article manes linknet steve manes writes rate capita rate dangerous killed handgun average individual citizen killed means average swiss feel killed means handgun wouldn absurd argument switzerland size eigth people point swiss soil crow bait importantly killed stranger approaching swiss street betraying lack understanding rate versus total number rates expressed population place deaths population rate place deaths population rate higher rate higher total simple enuff chrissakes calculator work numbers preformatted make easier handgun homicides population switzerland switzerland safer liberal handgun rate total number choice talk killed handgun point safer includes things simply handguns conclude safer ignoring total homicide rates david veal univ tenn cont education info services group mail veal bounce taxes levied benefit taxed lazarus long 
control hell news article martha organization university tennessee division continuing education lines article manes linknet steve manes writes frank crary fcrary colorado wrote good refering homocides involving handguns fixation death shooting worse death stabbing relevance homicides debate control advocates handguns live homicide free world relevance homicides reduce number homicides group decrease significant amount made improvement improvement worth paid issue guns baseball bats simpleton stands chance surviving attack baseball outrunning wielding assailant baseball tenth kill victim comfort tenth knives earlier post face knife faced knife damn annoyed statistics world change fact interested cutting fortunately defense knife knife trained unarmed defense problem disarming knife assailant untrained knife assault means knife assailants trained defense unarmed defense requires substantially training safe effective firearm requires physical proximity greater threat victim primary problem stun guns touch assailant good large stronger assailant simply ignore blows long incapacitate david veal univ tenn cont education info services group 
usual nntp posting host ucsu colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article viking sorenson writes disagree statement nuclear weapons dangerous radioactive decay plutonium uranium tritium weapon dangerous living things neutron flux background radiation living denver office limestone building standing power reactor full power standing nuclear warhead armed shielding dictionary feet lead make decent shielding dead skin cell layer excellent alpha particles neutrons slowed mere water neutrons good chance absorbing neutron radioactive means water turning harmless heavy water neutrons bones resulting harmfull secondard radioactives remain body decades unshielded nuclear warhead considered public health hazard shielded warhead fair amount maintaince required remain safely shielded storage temperature regulated facility private ownership unregulated single individual able weapon safe condition random private citizen properly maintain store nuclear weapon regulation things defense purposes kinda hard justify militia weapon meant battlefield yield weapons worst industrial target obliteration translation cities population centers militia overthrow illegal government weapons militia disagree purpose militia defend community american revolution militias seperating independent repressive government overthrow communities canada england defend regime role militia offensive destroy repressive governments nuclear weapons jobs defensive nuclear weapons suited question personal collective arms amendment definately protects ownership personal weapons nature militia requires members provide arms clear covers arms members supply tank effectively providing heavy weapons disproportionate control militia fierpower militias framers envisioned extremely democratic members supported respond muster militia firepower proportionately reduced militia firepower popular linked small minority members supplied large fraction firepower form heavy weapons change militia firepower depend small minority general public worse minority general public richer result nature character militia requires member provide roughly equal share militia firepower personal weapons equitable fraction squad heavier firepower frank crary boulder 
statement sarah brady texas state carrying concealed legislation article usenet psstg reply freenet brandon organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host hela cwru previous article nigel allen nigel allen press release handgun control statement sarah brady texas state carrying concealed legislation state desk contact susan whitmore handgun control washington march statement sarah brady texas state carrying concealed legislation handful lawmakers austin today told public safety importance interests national rifle association action local state federal enforcement officials continue stand religious cult highlighted tougher laws weaker carry concealed bill handful anti zealots telling public defense importance interests handgun control action local state federal enforcement officials continue assault branch davidian compound assault resulted death year child hands federal agents highlighted citizens able defend children excesses government suggestion proponents bill reduce crime distortion facts called crime fighting resulted percent increase violent crime state florida heard enforcement officials bragging guns streets reduce crime suggestion opponents bill increase crime distortion facts aggressive outreach officials central florida train women dramatic drop level assault rape area program rare enforcement officials apparently unarmed citizenry easier control favor tighter restrictions vote today insult enforcement officials putting lives line standoff waco entire country easy individual bent destruction amass arsenal weapons texas lawmakers voted concealed handgun bill shown total disregard officials front lines families fallen vote today tribute good sense public large putting lives line lawful affairs entire country vulnerable average citizen attacks criminals armed assault police texas lawmakers voted concealed handgun bill shown total understanding innocent abiding citizens front lines families fallen urge house representatives listen percent texans oppose measure reject conceived legislation urge house representatives attention constituents stampeded conceived arguments ideological fanatics nigel allen toronto ontario nigel allen canada remote systems toronto ontario propaganda opinions expressed author insightful intelligent carefully thought shared university iowa case western reserve university 
dividians black article ncoast reply cmort christopher morton organization north coast public access cleveland lines quoted kenneth whitehead oleary brian leary writes questions media politically correct people understand worry tactics child molesting drug dealing running killing religious wackos waco questions people compound black ninja suits charging assault weapons grenades lapd charges essentially operation move philadelphia years back cops dropped incendiary bomb roof tenement burned block move black group significant differences branch davidians reported neighbors move people generally conceded antagonize black neighbors loudspeakers hours night keeping large piles garbage promoting insect infestation allegedly threatening kidnap neighbors children sort questions force remain case bunch educated york jewish aclu lawyers fighting eliminate school prayer public schools arkansas holly silva 
control hell news reply hambidge organization bristol myers squibb distribution lines article manes linknet steve manes writes chrissakes calculator work numbers preformatted make easier handgun homicides population switzerland switzerland safer liberal handgun rate total number choice attention referring total homicide deaths handgun homicides terms killed dead dead higher homicide rate period killed switzerland murdered handgun switzerland higher rate belabor point murdered sense weapon irrelevant violent period standard disclaimer 
control hell news reply hambidge organization bristol myers squibb distribution lines article manes linknet steve manes writes relevance homicides debate control advocates handguns live homicide free world make sound issue guns baseball bats simpleton stands chance surviving attack baseball outrunning wielding assailant simpleton baseball considered deadly weapon infirm middle aged assailant younger handgun effective means defense fire shot time knives earlier post face knife fortunately defense knife knife trained unarmed defense problem disarming knife assailant untrained knife assault means knife assailants real streetfighter lots knife kick living people trained unarmed defense majority people effective form defense standard disclaimer 
nazi memoribilia cmay arizona christopher organization university arizona tucson arizona lines mikepb dell michael brininstool writes swatikas common american indian markings painted walls swastika back personal anecdote grandparents navajo made received trade weaver living flagstaff arizona decorative motif consists large black swastikas corner color scheme black white casual glance undoubtedly nazi relic kind owned years hitler national socialists power recall feel putting back draws comments christopher ariz coll medicine cmay arizona part liberty teach children hate government care freedom dreams inspired wishes promoted weapons made robert ardrey armaque armatos sumere jura sinunt ovid wise understanding inclineth hand fool heart turneth left ecclesiastes christopher ariz coll medicine cmay arizona part liberty teach children hate government 
nazi memoribilia nntp posting host taos organization intel supercomputer systems division lines article cmay arizona christopher writes mikepb dell michael brininstool writes swatikas common american indian markings painted walls swastika back personal anecdote grandparents navajo made received trade weaver living flagstaff arizona decorative motif consists large black swastikas corner color scheme black white casual glance undoubtedly nazi relic kind owned years hitler national socialists power recall feel putting back draws comments lived played worked navajo reservation number years confirm ancient pattern found petroglyphs dated years indians stopped making rugs pattern stopped selling nazi empted swastika note indian versions clockwise counter clockwise swastikas guns rare navaho family rifle remember relocated army intend hopi hand dislike weapons experience hide strangers kirk hays life seventh generation thing triumph evil good edmund burke 
national crime survey organization university tennessee division continuing education lines dropped library yesterday picked back copies national crime survey effort examine defense firearm ground numbers couple things jumped type weapon defense refer weapon assaults rose defenses reported fell explanation tempted mark reporting problem ahead examination numbers waste time idea real difference reporting difference survey changed significantly david veal univ tenn cont education info services group 
organization texas university college station lines nntp posting host tamuts tamu article ajteel colorado teel writes laws passed good lying teeth disarm populace people honestly passing control laws interests public safety line freshman year line made sense people guns able people police elites position highly emotional thought stop position basically elite incompetents folks amendment absolutely hunting legitimate excludes overthrowing tyrannical governments defending police proven protect result intention easier subdue population motivation power degree planned duped control person talked left stumped simply argue facts control proven lower crime rates weapons terminology expert explaining evil semiautomatic weapon works wonders hvae personally found reasoned arguments effective emotional control people trick realize amendment exists hunters oppressed terrorized daryl daryl biberdorf biberdorf sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura 
control proud canuck organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex newsreader version frank crary fcrary colorado wrote article dduff dave duff writes swiss population larger question losing sleep million expert riflemen conquered switzerland million armed militiamen mountainous area tanks effectiveness limited made real pain question conqueror worth trouble difficult invasion answer million riflemen opposed professional army twenty thousand country size switzerland support makes invasions difficult hitler invaded yugoslavia occupied mountainous portions patrolled wermacht control major native factions opposing germans basically useless germans production drain resources armored division couple infantry divisions memory correct kind stuck allies accepted surrender allies germans weapons defense unitil able lowlands resistance factions memory unreliable dale farmer 
control reply hambidge organization bristol myers squibb lines article nelson peter nelson writes freenet john redelfs writes control control assuming control able target peter clint eastwood line pink cadillac control wanna controlling standard disclaimer 
lavishly funded epidemic propaganda campaign commence reply hambidge organization bristol myers squibb distribution lines article manes linknet steve manes writes morris rats wrote neal knox firearms coalition points full force anti ruling class multi millions polling organizations schools news media entertainment media entertainment media force anti ruling class media made billions producing films television glorify guns users anti media kidding afraid hypocritical standard disclaimer 
control proud canuck reply hambidge organization bristol myers squibb lines article dduff dave duff writes swiss borders adult male owns rifle great admirer swiss years peace turf zilch ownership picture hitler panzers focke wulfs poised border losing sleep thousand expert rifleman riflemen hard bunkers mountains impossible penetrate tanks useless mountainous terrain hitler stayed switzerland swiss money world thought ethnic group hitler determined control europe gave damn international monetary concerns gold swiss vaults switzerland crazy totally stupid cost hell switzerland guarantee invasion successful figured generals listening worth cost standard disclaimer 
control reply hambidge organization bristol myers squibb lines article manes linknet steve manes writes surprised contrary studies sloan kellerman endorsed police departments seattle vancouver considered references hand exhaustive study kind issue essay conclusions statistics speak largely postulate vitamin endorsed nobel laureate panacea common cold cancer order compare violent crime trends compared allviolent crime categories simple assault mechanisms homicide wait minute compare trends advent canada effect homicides total handgun post comparison speculate utility correlation correlation prove causality point whites commit handgun crimes whites dubious assumption conventional social theory economic status color primary motivating factor crime violent crime point white people responsible owners assume coincidence comparitively fewer white people earning poverty line living tenement neighborhoods violent crime occurs hold dismiss point demographics socio economic demographics slick differences cities permit regulations render numbers strictly noncomparable contrary differences basis study easy availability legal handguns seattle difficult restricted weapons permit required vancouver correlation prove causality post data canadian effect cook measures suicides assaultive homicides firearms survey based estimate number legal illegal guns circulation city canadian owned restrictive laws passed decided hide turn answer truthfully question ownership calls writes asks street problem surveys answer incriminating question people author misses core issue vancouver citizens prohibited purchasing handguns basis defense choice matter vancouver citizens handguns discounting guns purchased guns purchased purposes defense defense hmm sounds author bumper sticker reads guns kill people black people kill people honestly conjectures backed evidence studies common sense worth considerable time type assumptions frighteningly close pseudo scientific studies white supremist assholes love crap takes published statistics twisted attempt prove inherent criminal nature black people makes valid points demographic differences resort kind argument politically correct movement stifle debate nice real nice author essay independent study base conclusions strained disjointed statistical discourse attempting blame seattle murder rate blacks produce data order point flaws methodology conclusions study resort tactics standard disclaimer 
nytimes yellow sheet editorial organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host rocket stratus article caltech aaron clements writes prohibited researching effectiveness taggants explosives taggants cheap technologically feasible microscopic additive investigators crime scenes world trade center bombing trace explosives involved hell explosives bombing consensus explosive fertilizer based proper counter claim forensic analysis bomb means taggants impossible semantic analysis editorials means taggants difficulty cases persuaded bull consume taggants production item stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
american express card steiner utoledo jason steiner nntp posting host jupiter utoledo newsreader version lines jason kratz writes david veal jason kratz writes silly police gangs access national guard governor things rough tanks play rifles helicopters fully automatic weapons armed happening situation totally blown proportion post referring regular patrolman cruising city gang members police access things mentioned tanks time point make lunch cops coming majority carrying revolvers wrong revolver gang member couple automatics coat semi auto handguns disadvantage training making assumptions necessarily true personal choice semi auto revolvers effective shooting range gang gang members practicing shooting practicing taking guns quick shooting target badly relevancy sound shocked proves university cops state cops armed chicago police state cops originally david live tennesse live chicago crap everyday news papers situation wait chicago control police firepower place sarcasm alert patrol cars shotguns clamped dash board imho police outgun jason crystal wind storm storm data data life player litany long moran steiner utoledo 
letter liberal colleague neil smith distribution nntp posting host blanca lance colostate organization colorado state university fort collins lines posted cathy smith neil smith letter liberal colleague author note adrian changed protect guilty author science fiction novelists worked editor famous york publishing house dear adrian schedule current book reply note criticizing recent magazine interview gave generally attacking ownership necessarily consist assertions free back evidence logic time energy present written fully topic future make copies arguments make futility danger delegating defense police kates wall street journal real effect prohibition shifting consumers newly outlawed handguns semiautomatic rifles items sawed shotguns homemade bombs limit commenting newspaper clipping note freedom carry weapon choice natural fundamental inalienable human individual civil constitutional subject democratic process arguments grounded social utility publication scientific study alter fact prohibitionists discussed interview annoying process lying freedom carry weapon choice natural fundamental inalienable human individual civil constitutional subject democratic process arguments grounded social utility fourth things study support prohibitionists original numerical contentions simply adds layer spurious claims older body lies omissions distortions freedom carry weapon choice natural fundamental inalienable human individual civil constitutional subject democratic process arguments grounded social utility sixth fact prohibitionists caught lying countless occasions carl bakal author bear arms confessed publicly makes present study dubious seventh freedom carry weapon choice natural fundamental inalienable human individual civil constitutional subject democratic process arguments grounded social utility eighth lifelong service federal bureaucrat mention cynical sophistication fiction aware people progress designing studies prove outstrips ability collect meaningful data case point agree fact kind prohibitionist years create studies proving pornography crime naive honest efforts contrary ninth freedom carry weapon choice natural fundamental inalienable human individual civil constitutional subject democratic process arguments grounded social utility tenth reason doubt studies human behavior austrian school economics demonstrates complex unpredictable meaningfully quantified attempt create public policy based resulting pseudo information wrecking civilization eleventh freedom carry weapon choice natural fundamental inalienable human individual civil constitutional subject democratic process arguments grounded social utility twelfth study worthless incorporates figures suicide necessarily tragedy basically individual ancillary social benefits suicide intervention criminal offense thirteenth finally national rifle association officials quoted article shortcomings correct instance study meaningless freedom carry weapon choice natural fundamental inalienable human individual civil constitutional subject democratic process arguments grounded social utility adrian study valid deter lifelong personal objective weapon prefers carry desires permission ably assisted prohibitionists yawping invariably moves previously unarmed people control shooting fraternity viewed handguns incorrectly turned inaccurate ineffective toys million country kennedy metzenbaum bradys america greatest sporting goods sales team manufacture year fascinating datum handgun control perfectly aware guess real motives making arcane difficult easier make fully automatic weapon semiautomatic fact obtain weapon preference loading pistol thing pursuing difficult quarter billion firearms america estimated half life years possibly stainless steel guns long time adrian paraphrase elmer keith court decides armed work news thousands hundreds thousands stopped passing laws forced secretly practical alleged differences full automatics semiautomatics efficiently point neil smith author probability broach crystal empire henry martyn forthcoming pallas lever action fidonet libertarian amendment caucus life member opinions 
firearms lines article allanh allan heim writes papresco math uwaterloo paul prescod drugs banned supply drugs easier manufacture easier smuggle easier hide comparison alcoholic beverages bottles whiskey larger heavier fragile bags drugs barrels kegs larger heavier difficult manipulate people managed rich smuggling booze country years prohibition demand entire industry formed supply alcohol banned today difficult manage large scale smuggling operation cops rank narrow notch military communications intelligence gathering firepower similar vein amount marijuana smuggled country greatly decreased pound compared cocaine heroin simply worth risk uneconomical reefer domestic pressure domestic producer showy raids notwithstanding economical note domestic reefer strong small volume long make alcohol stronger proof good dollar pound deal firearms tend fall dollar pound area economic smuggle production local people skill motivation assemble worthwhile firearms scratch high ranking crime figures obtain imported uzis average person average thug lucky nose 
silly outdated bill koresh miranda organization random misconfigured site posted iamac georgetown nntp posting host columbia lines wrote nice strawman discussion tanks sixties riots tanks fired main guns riots claim claim ludicrous awesley replied repeated told context heard supporting claim tanks detroit issue tanks detroit fired main guns claim tanks claimed fired main guns suppress sniper fire effective continue back claim defend disputing awesley spent minutes library today found computer card catalog minutes find nightmare detroit rebellion victims sauter hines page telling death tonia blanding tank fired snipers turned direction shots fifty caliber machine mounted tank belched fire buildings short round front buildings tank guns spit tearing huge holes side apartment main main entire point admit wrong wrote pictures tanks firing main guns pictures buildings damaged shells read reports tank fire dollar doughnuts hand accounts national guard sergeants shooting shit convince tanks shelled american cities sixties awesley replied bothered read long find reports tank fire necessarily main guns read tanks firing main guns detroit riots simply event place common knowledge years american military firing shells tanks american cities blacks news awesley read troops grenade launchers fire fragmentary grenades doubt fire concussion grenades fire tear perfectly fired frags makes claim plausible expect convince open mind eyes research convinced find found claimed marines launch rockets buildings trenton jersey suspend judgment chance research bullshit filters kick tanks fired main guns detroit people screaming past half decades claim national guard managed cover mind open good prefer live reality reality find hard tanks shells fired john scott 
american express card organization deep thirteen gizmonics institute lines distribution nntp posting host gatech jason kratz writes deleted fully automatic weapons armed happening situation totally blown proportion post referring regular patrolman cruising city gang members police access things mentioned tanks time point make lunch cops coming majority carrying revolvers wrong revolver gang member couple automatics coat semi auto handguns disadvantage training shooting range gang gang members practicing shooting practicing taking guns quick shooting target badly university cops state cops armed chicago police state cops define armed shoot revolver semi auto colt fires faster nope faster rate fire desirable makes duck cover hitting thompson hose mode military limiting round burst fire simple semi auto troops able rock roll wasteful ammo short supply enemy plentiful revolver equally capable semi auto caliber revolver advantage misfires pull trigger double action revolver hand cocked fire pulling trigger misfire revolver means pull trigger rotate round revolver carried chamber empty hammer maximum safety drawn fired easy motion handed speedloaders revolver reloads fast magazines semi autos faster depending users misfire semi auto require clear jammed shell time spent fatal vital lost realize jammed starting clearing semi autos slide worked chamber round cock hammer police carry semi autos chamber loaded hammer cocked safety engaged safe trade safety speed employment revolver double action semi autos complexity operation requires training police departments switched glocks started quietly switching officers back revolvers accidents partly poor training received glocks require rocket scientists cops baffled complex timer criminals outgun police firearms turn cops hunter attention seek semi autos junk assuming jobs stupid revolver shotgun rack equipped short riot control hitting whip fire real fast find good controlled fire revolver beretta inferior carry weapon ruger security revolver aiming shots wrong somewheres backup capacity extra shots cases overwhelmingly shots fired criminal encounters crooks overwhelmingly crime nice simple revolvers police police prefer heftier magnum obplea flame prefer semi autos things introduce unneccessary complications nerve wracking abrupt encounter lone criminal planned perfect batf spokesperson failed raid attempt 
american express card organization deep thirteen gizmonics institute lines distribution nntp posting host gatech jason kratz writes deleted university cops state cops armed chicago police state cops originally david live tennesse live chicago crap everyday news papers situation crap ridiculous assertions uzis mowing cops left assertions dialing proper option abiding citizens factoid cops killed country year early real explosion killings planned perfect batf spokesperson failed raid attempt 
american express card lines organization university tennessee division continuing education distribution article vincent gatech vincent writes jason kratz writes deleted university cops state cops armed chicago police state cops originally david live tennesse live chicago crap everyday news papers situation crap ridiculous assertions uzis mowing cops left assertions dialing proper option abiding citizens factoid cops killed country year early real explosion killings discuss police officer america today lists police officers killed feloniously accidentally apparently levels year officers killed rate police officers includes officer mariana islands includes officer guam mariana islands includes officer guam foreign locations includes officer american samoas foreign countries includes officer guam federal officer killed peru love information david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
firearms lines organization university tennessee division continuing education article ifas writes article allanh allan heim writes papresco math uwaterloo paul prescod drugs banned supply drugs easier manufacture easier smuggle easier hide comparison alcoholic beverages bottles whiskey larger heavier fragile bags drugs barrels kegs larger heavier difficult manipulate people managed rich smuggling booze country years prohibition demand entire industry formed supply alcohol banned today difficult manage large scale smuggling operation cops rank narrow notch military communications intelligence gathering firepower similar vein amount marijuana smuggled country greatly decreased pound compared cocaine heroin simply worth risk uneconomical reefer domestic pressure domestic producer showy raids notwithstanding economical question marijuana domestic producing economical expect imported note domestic reefer strong small volume long make alcohol stronger proof good dollar pound deal successfully number years thought worth risk firearms tend fall dollar pound area economic smuggle assumption dollar pound area sufficiently make running unprofitable base smuggling channels established economies scale significantly expense start smuggling firearms hazardous terms caught drugs production local jump case define local country people skill motivation assemble worthwhile firearms scratch high ranking crime figures obtain imported uzis average person average thug lucky nose gotta love speculation posted import billions billions ores mexican border ships harbors full stuff customs extra advantage able sniff wager shipload handguns worth shipload virtually guaranteed past customs hand search hold ship simply matter money worth money worth goods based likelihood caught money drugs safer thing smuggle david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
pill deer hunting distribution lines article vincent gatech vincent measure prevent evil bambi killers hunting fight interference nature measure benefit relieve states thorny problem hundreds millions dollars hunters pour economy annually attain lofty humane liberal ecologically mention politically correct goal environmental animal rights groups individuals supporting measure names list supporters seeking increased taxation replace lost revenues equally confident entities noteworthy record area social responsibility respect private property feel morally ethically bound raise funds acquire hundreds thousands acres land held private hands solely private hunting preserves landowner place groups individuals ethically untenable environmentally politically incorrect position sanctioning logging subsequent development urbanization private hunting lands longer useable benefit landowner capacity gorman 
lethal alternatives handguns nntp posting host beethoven colostate organization colorado state university computer science department keywords handgun mace pepper spray taser tasp phaser lines article michael phelps writes article shepard mark shepard writes effective personal defense products mace pepper spray tasers lethal stun devices compared handguns statistics types products attractive compared handguns lethal forgiving accident mistakes wrongful shooting yoshi hattori case justice system deal criminal criminals simply dead vigilante feel bother anti people forgiving nature side criminal assault deadly weapon charge lethal dangerous side effects people violent reactions mace pepper sprays stun guns harm people weak hearts people suffered damage mace stuff concentrated spray propellents flammable arguments lethal weapons compared handguns lack range lack stopping power effectiveness limited ammo true cost sprays spray based mace pepper indoors bound affect room victim nature stuff sprays outdoors sort breeze mitigates effectiveness reading articles appears mace mace citizens pretty ineffective people influence drugs alcohol pepper spray appears effective inherent spray delivery problem distraction time hell running hell viable solution dressed boots assailent dressed sneakers tough time outrunning tasars stun guns require contact skin effectiveness jacket leather mitigate effectiveness user extremely close assailent puts considerable risk injury user stun contact assailent negligible period time tasar darts pulled problem small women keeping stun contact average size length time sustaining injury anti groups suggested lethal weapons counter argument people left defenseless heard generally contend people able defend legal restrictions licensing apply lethal devices civilian ownership stun guns frequently illegal sprays illegal states illegal half state thinks legal legalized heard reason ineffectiveness feel sprays user hype drop tracks stuff diversion marks mark shepard shepard portola valley michael phelps external internal kgnvmy disclaimer opinions mine guns lethal bullets rubber plastic bullets work stopping attack doug holland 
high power assault guns nntp posting host gozer organization sigsauer club lines article vojak stortek bill vojak writes alaska magazine polar bear make hungry cubs nearby polar bear drew betz idbsu brought terminal free state idaho outlaw rights outlaws rights spook fodder fema clinton gore insurrection semtex neptunium terrorist deuterium 
american express card lines article david veal stuff deleted happening situation totally blown proportion post referring regular patrolman cruising city gang members police access things mentioned tanks time point make lunch cops coming majority carrying revolvers wrong revolver gang member couple automatics coat semi auto handguns disadvantage training david arms race fallacy bigger guns make individual safer problem level offensive power automatic level defense increase problem sort lethality threshold past talking metter degree cops reason average beat bigger pistol personal weapon rifle shotgun cruiser carrying monster pistol machinegun doesn make wounded shoots police departenments switched semi automatics reliable weapons stopping power point diminishing returns good point cares kind lying ground dead automatics gang member carrying couple automatics incredible rarity menace innocent bystanders tryinh auto hard control control police officer police officer armed stuff deleted mine question police officer gain machinegun similar personal weapon doesn semi automatic pistol police hosing full auto fire experience police officers stats police officers killed cops made feel good idea precise fire preferable bigger guns standard sidearms sufficient stopping power properly applied powerful weapons make likelihood death higher giving police significantly options good point lots lead flying cops gangs innocent caught crossfire david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird points made guess mindset makes correct mindset discussion situation carefully point david wholeheartedly agree assuming bullets bigger bullets state individual control viable option united states drivel spout jason 
american express card distribution lines article vincent gatech vincent stuff deleted mine define armed shoot revolver semi auto colt fires faster nope faster rate fire desirable makes duck cover hitting thompson hose mode military limiting worked great movie version round burst fire simple semi auto troops able rock roll wasteful ammo short supply enemy plentiful revolver equally capable semi auto caliber stuff deleted revolvers good semi autos points things considered familiar handguns police departments switched glocks started quietly switching officers back revolvers accidents partly poor training received glocks require rocket scientists cops baffled complex timer hell glock thing switched thing glock lack real safety thing trigger great safety criminals outgun police firearms turn cops hunter attention seek semi autos junk assuming jobs stupid revolver shotgun rack equipped short riot watch shows partially handguns familiar rifles control hitting whip fire real fast find good controlled fire revolver beretta inferior carry weapon ruger security revolver aiming shots wrong somewheres backup capacity extra shots cases overwhelmingly shots fired criminal encounters crooks overwhelmingly crime nice simple revolvers police police prefer heftier magnum obplea flame prefer semi autos things introduce unneccessary complications nerve wracking abrupt encounter lone criminal planned perfect batf spokesperson failed raid attempt flames points guess learn discussion guess assume things bullets sort thing assume jason 
lethal alternatives handguns steiner utoledo jason steiner nntp posting host jupiter utoledo newsreader version lines douglas craig holland holland colostate writes lostsa crap deleted trim articles guns lethal bullets rubber plastic bullets work stopping attack heard lethal misnomer things jason democrat give money solve problems republican give money ignore problems libertarian money solve problems steiner utoledo 
pill deer hunting organization australian defence force academy canberra australia lines ifas writes promising field experiments year areas country relating chemical contraceptive baits deer preliminary data suggests cost effective humane method preventing population habitats preliminary data similar research kangaroo overpopulation australia support cost effectiveness approach cost effective deer quietly overlook fact cost state deer hunting negative profit majority hunters licences cost comparisons assuming people employed cull animals fact case figure people licences implant contraceptive pellets spread baits fair discussion recently kangaroo population grounds governor general residence reached plague proportions whines rampant animal libbers effective method controlling population considered controlled shooting hunting prevent population deer bear justification blood lust wind mass production stuff begins animal populations easily managed shot fired leaves fact people woods kill things people satisfaction imho legitimate satisfaction eating food harvested pleasure derived hunting eating fruit vegetables grown garden general game meat freer unpleasant chemicals butcher supermarket motivation justified expect peta organizations argument hunting banned period justified guess personally justification fine makes opinion important legitimate hunting papers filled stories senseless murders guess chance hell building case rkba withstand public opinion necessity scientific scrutiny give silent majority guns crap silent votes rkba rkba point correct politicians votes opposing stupid legislation developing supporting measures effective reducing incidence violent crime things geoff miller miller computer centre australian defence force academy 
boston back organization hewlett packard fort collins lines urbin interlan mark urbin short thought question authorities sponsors buyback programs check stolen weapons answer total amnesty note firearm boston back cash money orders total amnesty leave paper trail latest case denver giving tickets denver nuggets basketball game traceable money order years issue weapons checked stolen 
american express card organization iowa state university ames lines thomas parsli writes observations naive norwegian admire honesty guns made kill people shoot target macho stamps collect fire anschutz back talk letting ignorance possibly fear cloud thinking sour grapes beat olympic shooting events funny biathalon natural sport norse easy kill injure knife baseball precisely makes method defense citizenry time train gladius reason prey free time extend level competence beat range weapon face weapon winning difficult requires training time average citizen spent years practicing sword common person armed defense reason sister chance beating month training makes firearms eyes wise compare completely countries island issues crime violence excellent point naive problem people committing crimes tools beeing concideration consideration respect wrong make blanket statement weapons general consideration call aggrivated assault assault deadly weapon assault intent kill attempted murder host tack extra prison time strict legislation norway recently enyone years shotgun shotguns hunting norway easy accuire crimes norway suspect weapon conquered land full millenia thought shortly weapons common suspect world wars made difference times emergency weapons tend turned donated needy curious weapons crimes bought shortly crime aquired means requirements registering shotgun unbelievable guns crime fell wearing long knives public allowed honest erik swords slightly short sword battlefield supremacy weapon eleventh century trade easy financing resist slicing long knives problem scandinavian problems understand americans liberal view guns violence nudity showing bare breast insted violence murder scandanavians couple generations longship feared warriors planet mere millenia spend time sitting spas topless sunbathing time homogeneous culture civilized american history civil human assault home handgun damned violent partially homogeneous culture identify americans foremost proud norwegian danish heritage suspect care welsh blood veins raid ireland back time scale homogeneous culture important equally important basic philosophical difference personal versus collective good america individual important masses personal liberties prized sadly changing late trust notice call freedom makes laws restrict individuals collective benefit hateful americans hazard guess america interested freedom personal liberty interested collective good armed forces poor effect culture easy identify small segment population grandmother tells discriminated back denmark spoke dane spoke high dane shortly world remember dane abolished common dialect fathom minor thing problem obvious means identifying outsider english fault keyboard software quality subtext heart posted native speakers helpful hints educational system people annoying tendency drop school sell drugs kind thomas parsli great grandfather changed christian aarskog great mispronounced changed anymore 
talk legislative update states keywords talk organization iowa state university ames distribution lines larry cipriani writes iowa firearm related bills dead senate file dealing duty police officers carrying concealed remains viable power word processor stamp work fact state generally lives miles constituent hurt 
silly outdated bill koresh miranda organization computer science department stanford university lines article awesley oakland awesley writes article andy stanford andy freeman writes sniper fire equally effective yelling stop credit tanks stopping existent sniper fire credit stopping invasion martians firearms violence civil disorders sniping incidents pattern violence brandeis university lemberg center study violence precisely verified sniper riots drunk firing pistol window confirmed sniper dieaccording sauter hines nightmare detroit rebellion sources sauter hines congressional hearings newspaper folk admitted reports completely wrong excuses understandable amount gross negligence lied followup people snipers shoot firemen shooting snipers blowing holes buildings sniper nests worrying travelling sniper squads complete waste time interesting curious tanks blow holes buildings detroit relevant knowledge counter sniper tactics govt toys commented accomplished matter nope sniper fire coming police guard positions guard needed learn agree idea snipers sauter hines force national guard alliance army troops snipers stop snipers boldly siege precent police station shots seventh firemen constant harassment snipers fired half closed darkened windows high apartment buildings roof tops detroit newspaper copy admitted wrong andy 
pill deer hunting lines article david veal writes article ifas writes article hambidge writes defense valid reason rkba vast majority life display firearm missed news world report excerpt posted fairly consistant polls finding approximately households firearm translates individual ownership questionable fairly safe wrong vast majority majority firearms claim vast majority threaten lucky case means average threat level country means protection effective firearms phrase theories nice practicality important taser chose exmpale outlawed virtually effective optimal conditions dealing absolute average weapons brain alternative means protection involved hardware good neighborhoods good person armed teeth attitude cooperation good neighborhoods residents make aware neighbors notice strangers lurking good neighborhoods form groups crime watch increase effect relative effectiveness police hostiles arrested good neighbors step officer robbing jones house short alternative firepower gangs benificent manifestation social cooperative replace lead flesh flesh makes conversationalist invite block party freedoms rights dependent public opinion necessity scientific scrutiny planet dependent public political opinion political imagine inalienable rights wired vast cold cosmos purest egotism dangerous delusion real sense government based public approval reason time public servants commonly adorning trees legality legitimacy matter government charter makes rule government violates violated basis existance enforcement matter solely force arms oliver north positively worshiped american conservative quarters secret government sorts severely illegal deeds kind stuff twenty life walks free time fact cares anymore legitimacy issue legality issue long bones rats arguments rkba withstand scientific scrutiny things issue perception boring statistics excuse suggesting arguments rkba stand scientific scrutiny claimed interested statistical aspects argument pure emotion abortion issue time young innocent gunned drive time murdered jacket time store clerk executed dollars change time moron kills wife beer fridge time hears bang night rkba dies emotion hard argue emotion wrong argue stats firearms yesterday claimed protection factor strongly outweigh mindless mayhem factor operating assumption conditions absolutely govern expansion automatically necessitates contraction firearms related mindless mayhem related availibility firearms scarce expensive psychology hold settle trivial complaints 
pill deer hunting organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host sandman caltech ifas writes planet dependent public political opinion political imagine inalienable rights wired vast cold cosmos purest egotism dangerous delusion hold truths evident created equal endowed creator unalienable rights life liberty pursuit happiness declaration independence july aaron caltech 
firearms reply cmort christopher morton organization north coast public access cleveland lines quoted ifas firearms tend fall dollar pound area economic smuggle production local people skill motivation assemble worthwhile firearms scratch high ranking crime figures obtain imported uzis average person average thug lucky nose modern automatic weapons basic manufacturing skill turn high quality submachineguns couple high school shop teachers recently arrested building submachineguns school shop suggest library find copy smallarms world entire premise based factual assumptions bunch educated york jewish aclu lawyers fighting eliminate school prayer public schools arkansas holly silva 
lethal alternatives handguns originator reply michael phelps organization kingston keywords handgun mace pepper spray taser tasp phaser lines holland colostate douglas craig holland writes guns lethal bullets rubber plastic bullets work stopping attack doug holland projectile traveling typical bullet speeds potentially lethal blanks projectile death muzzle close proximity victim heard rubber plastic bullets effectively riot situations intent crowd control close range defense reports deaths caused british northern ireland firearm defense lawful gravest situations point deadly lethal force proper reaction effective potentially lethal force problems applications effective force stop incident places parties risk victim attack stopped assailent aggregate damage multiple applications deadly michael phelps external internal kgnvmy disclaimer opinions mine 
pill deer hunting reply hambidge organization bristol myers squibb lines article ifas writes article hambidge writes amendment sovereignty sporting goods perfectly correct make difference differ make difference point defense valid reason rkba vast majority life display firearm means protection effective firearms thankfully true majority life firearm howver situations firearms effective means protection means propose equally effective freedoms rights dependent public opinion necessity scientific scrutiny planet dependent public political opinion political imagine inalienable rights wired vast cold cosmos purest egotism dangerous delusion country political theory alas speaking principle principle attempts republican forms futile times public political opinion contrary principle constitution enumerates powers presumes rights major reason prevent tyranny majority arguments rkba withstand scientific scrutiny things issue perception boring statistics time young innocent gunned drive time murdered jacket time store clerk executed dollars change time moron kills wife beer fridge time hears bang night rkba dies stats firearms protection factor strongly outweigh mindless mayhem factor society experience safer guns error active voters based reasoned thought perception work fortunately guarantees logic prevail means correction active voters concerned open question vote made intend silence rkba supporters talk talk good days firearms talk character stories interested anymore portray scenario future silence rkba supporters long public debate allowed debate continue public debate restricted denied deserve standard disclaimer 
sale organization olde bailey houston lines reply wray sccsi wray nntp posting host utexas bill vojak read paper yestarday turner trim media holdings putting sale potential bidder time warner sigh time ccrtkba band voice sumpin broadcast truth change able favorable item maginot olde bailey houston texas sccsi home cosuard 
friends organization olde bailey houston lines reply wray sccsi wray nntp posting host utexas paul prescod pontificating state cathy smith writes libertarians oppose waiting periods background checks prerequisite exercising rights supposed guaranteed straight unlike idiots newsgroup support unlimited access guns inclucing criminals prohibit owning buying supreme idiot make idiots mensa members paul fine holier thou control mindset intelligent debate nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah fight crime shoot back olde bailey houston texas sccsi home cosuard 
turn organization olde bailey houston lines reply wray sccsi wray nntp posting host utexas sorenson writing nationalized medical care debate find amazing criminals live rest population aspects paying november annual dental error respects paying paying countryclub incarceration paying lives belongings prey practice nefarious predatory acts citizens country amazing mindset overtly covertly perpetuate justice system essentially mandates offer prey suitably insulate preyground church crime justice prey olde bailey houston texas sccsi home cosuard 
firearms organization hand held products lines distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld article allanh allan heim writes papresco math uwaterloo paul prescod drugs banned supply drugs easier manufacture easier smuggle easier hide comparison alcoholic beverages bottles whiskey larger heavier fragile bags drugs barrels kegs larger heavier difficult manipulate people managed rich smuggling booze country years prohibition demand entire industry formed supply beleive source kennedy clan money missing argument guns smuggled theyr difficult manufacture smuggle hide wash people supply allan heim allanh uunet allanh rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham 
american express card organization hand held products lines distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld article thomas parsli writes observations naive norwegian guns made kill people shoot target macho stamps collect easy kill injure knife baseball wise compare completely countries island issues crime violence problem people committing crimes tools beeing concideration affects crime rate strict legislation norway recently enyone years shotgun shotguns hunting norway easy accuire crimes solution restrict sale apply register shotgun unbelievable guns crime fell rate crime fall rate violent crime matters tools crime stupid wearing long knives public allowed apparently weapon choice shotguns banned decide choice saab propose scandinavian problems understand americans liberal view guns violence nudity showing bare breast insted violence murder american history civil human assault home handgun trust honest people time english fault keyboard software quality subtext disclamer views studens university norwegians universe thomas parsli thomasp rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham 
scoop waco road organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host rocket stratus keywords topical smirk lite posting humor funny article bellas pete bellas writes cream flavor inspired incident waco called mount caramel full nuts carton stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
newspapers censoring advertisements lines recently traders sporting goods store stocked firearms store discovered printed document distributed good folks work traders located leandro granted document traders scope things feel owners favor helping newspaper censorship letting newspapers live life good exercise blatant censorship read advertisments newspapers decided censor longer traders leandro years abiding honest citizens firearms sporting protection amendment bear arms tired newspapers liquor galor refuse legitimate send letter editors indicating displeasure censorship doctrine list area newspapers censor send thoughts issue oakland tribune daily review alameda times star oakland hayward alameda argus valley herald leandro times decoto juana fremont pleasanton leandro contra costa times mateo times francisco chronicle mission walnut creek mateo francisco fran independent fran examiner jose mercury news evans ridder park fran fran jose pages facts validate facts sources feel sound true topic headlines media snow blaming firearms murder blaming hospitals death nazi journalistic technique prove hospitals death scammed american people control american journalism based nazi journalism journalists government networks succeeded playing group laws unconstitutional american laws based nazi laws government devide conquer firearms pages media dealers business limit exposure potential customers preventing customers reading sales ammunition firearms sporting hunting recreational write bozos peter nesbitt traffic controller pnesbitt oakland tracon pilot member magnum carrier 
american express card organization distribution lines happening situation totally blown proportion post referring regular patrolman cruising city gang members police access things mentioned tanks time point make lunch cops coming majority carrying revolvers wrong revolver gang member couple automatics coat semi auto handguns disadvantage training shooting range gang gang members practicing shooting practicing taking guns quick shooting target badly university cops state cops armed chicago police state cops originally david live tennesse live chicago crap everyday news papers situation forget police chicago carry glock approved carry guess figure cops police chief winnetka happened stray round anti police chief wanted full auto uzis patrol cars judgement majority chicago finest close reliable weapon revolver preferable reliable automatic note germany semi auto handgun king elite police types revolvers issue cost chicago police make order year presumption disadvantage borne experiences york city cops cops standard revolvers rugers beretta addition revolvers carried chicago cops past browning powers jason 
firearms nntp posting host imagine convex organization engineering convex computer corp richardson disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines article ifas writes firearms tend fall dollar pound area numerator denominator fluctuate dollar supply restricted weight significantly technology improved basis assert economic smuggle production local people skill motivation assemble worthwhile firearms scratch skill easily taught modicum mechanical aptitude motivator needed money guns banned motivator kick time moneymaking proposition machine shop make guns side rebuilding engines guns watch schedule year advance brakes resurfaced 
firearms organization distribution lines firearms tend fall dollar pound area economic smuggle production local people skill motivation assemble worthwhile firearms scratch high ranking crime figures obtain imported uzis average person average thug lucky nose borne reality soviet union domestic handgun submachinegun trade guns commercial grade produced honest goodness machineshops production local road system envy world recall incidents past chinese entreprenaurs attempted smuggle semi autos country import number limitations gunweek read years person high school drafting skills vocational school machineshop training produce submachinegun talk average person able private controlled machinery shifts guns sold black market enterprising mechanical engineer machinery produce workable submachineguns sale gunweek article pictures batf manufacturer efficient silencers commercial quality finish households handgun half defense talking potential market tens millions people seek firearms purpose preservation fool market filled government prohibitions 
armed citizen april organization boeing commercial airplane group lines iftccu talk politics guns kendall loral colin kendall article crphilli dazixca ingr writes armed citizen mere presence firearm shot fired prevents crime instances shown news reports armed citizen note accounts cited shot fired twelve cases assailant wounded shot cases assailant killed shot follow months posting reader noted reporting bias months numbers reversed constant tally issue shots fired remember rick 
firearms organization boeing commercial airplane group lines woops screwed forgery sort mistake aborted post abort part bogus article post iftccu talk politics guns bressler boeing rick bressler iftccu talk politics guns papresco math uwaterloo paul prescod article gatech cochrane james shapleigh writes hope idea joke poor earlier posting mentioning illegal firearms manufacturing site searched feds florida area evidently critically guns illegal manufacturing site make compared rick 
proper control proper control american express card organization boeing commercial airplane group lines iftccu talk politics guns mikey utexas strider held knife hell manage offered watching knife verses contributed comments stuff face knife ignorance pretty thing educated people rule understand deadly knives quickly killed people understand takes inch penetration areas quick minute death death rates handguns knives percentage points people realizing deadly knives luck injured knives deadly single direction advantage remote control weapon contact weapon knife controls spherical area feet diameter people knife wounds slicing finger accident feet knife match holstered experienced hands knife wielder moderate skill inside feet knife match drawn knife utterly silent jams runs ammunition limited speed dexterity skill ability wielder criminals general young fast strong interesting note patterned slashing attacks martial artists remarkably resemble wild uncontrolled slashing attacks novices talked trained martial artists unanimously agreed knife simply plan attacker practicing firearms requires facilities equipment practicing knives requires small area simulate knife popsicle stick tooth brush criminals practice knife attacks prison trained knives firearm realize facts inkling wrong knife ripping throat case experienced attacker parts body falling ground year arthritis close yard distance half seconds dennis tueller broken walking cast managed people close distance strike weight slow seconds morgue footage people killed edged weapons single stab wound chest table fork case attacker handle pointed fact hand stopping power largely myth case central nervous system shot round destroys skeletal structure takes twelve seconds bullet wound effect true heart shots case police woman recorded survivor shot heart lady killed attacker chased shots fired shot struck perp atta bullet entered downward angle apex heart diaphragm clipped liver destroyed spleen exited back leaving tennis ball sized hole died times operating table hospital days back full duty months duty time wearing vest home happened civilians rights sigh moral story manage shoot knife attacker planning dodging good alternative shoot break pelvis people walk broken legs broken pelvis anchor firearms schools recommend pelvis shots contact weapons target large traditional center mass reliable stop contact weapon assuming caliber powerful remember folks idea live fail consequences reason killing goal cases good alive face violent attack sort knowing rightly face knife depend attacker pick choose bottom line criminals fear criminals fear weapon fear citizen weapon shown resolution determination takes rick 
proper control proper control american express card organization boeing commercial airplane group lines iftccu talk politics guns hays intel kirk hays posters group guns dread terminator rifleman owned firearms years posting group good point kirk responded email couple posts gosh darn civil happed time firearm relationship turns people criminals start responsibility chance rick 
pill deer hunting nntp posting host beluga morningstar organization local organization lines article ifas writes article hambidge writes amendment sovereignty sporting goods perfectly correct make difference agree true defense valid reason rkba vast majority life display firearm means protection effective firearms freedoms rights dependent public opinion necessity scientific scrutiny planet dependent public political opinion political imagine inalienable rights wired vast cold cosmos purest egotism dangerous delusion bill rights based delusion arguments rkba withstand scientific scrutiny things issue perception boring statistics time young innocent gunned drive time murdered jacket time store clerk executed dollars change time moron kills wife beer fridge time hears bang night rkba dies stats firearms protection factor strongly outweigh mindless mayhem factor society experience safer guns error active voters true practice unethical politicians passing control laws politicians generally whores public opinion public informed correct stats support stats stats support conflicting sides issue intend silence rkba supporters talk talk good days firearms talk character stories interested anymore firearms armed insurrection const envisioned fanatical approach avoiding political protest option point agree argueably late fails pipe cosmoline chris miller chris opinions definition reflect opinions 
control organization computer science department stanford university lines article graham washington stephen graham writes article stratus tavares writes similar structure educated electorate security free state people read books infringed electorate read books registered voters read books voted read books imply restrictions read books imply state regulate enforce education nice answer question difference feds mandate literacy feds interfere literacy book possession john public supreme court ruled cases miller verdugo urquidez amendment protects interpretation found back dred scott case worth noting miller sustained miller conviction possession illegal firearm noting sawed shotgun proper militia weapon miller supports limited government regulation firearms miller court kind remanded case back trial court miller court weapon question militia weapon doesn bother major constitutional issue case defense miller released appeals court disappeared govt represented happened reasonable guns militia weapons argument andy 
boston back organization lines miller wrote question authorities sponsors buyback programs check stolen weapons answer total amnesty good point registration schemes harassment deleted point receiving stolen property pawn shop owner thing myron petro uspsa opinions included post sole responsibility protected amendment guarnteed amendment 
clinton national card ussr style internal passport organization hewlett packard boise idaho newsreader version lines idea card bull curious plan making requirement required presented medical planning shaving hillary head dave days goverment logic clintons david slack boise surface mount center email slack telnet phone hewlett packard chinden blvd boise idaho 
batf reply waco organization netcom line communication services guest lines francisco examiner reports clinton issued instructions federal enforcement kill injure resolve waco situation built fence compound building fence prison camp levels pulling manpower waiting months takes john nagle 
control organization interactive media group university massachusetts lowell lines article hambidge writes words regulated milita security free state present participle adjective modify militia main clause sentence subject verb asserts bear arms essential maintaining milita free state agree half amendment modify noun militia difinition modify applies regulated modifies militia qualify limit meaning modifes phrase amendment similiar statement annoying people wear boots infringed pertain boots similiar unorganized militia guns sentence amendment restrict state imply possession people make positive statement people people fourth ninth tenth amendment existence assumed granted amendment stated implied condition relating bear arms necessity regulated militia security words entire sentence bear arms unconditional unconditional infringed infringed defined break ignore terms obligations oath agreement disreguard violate boundaries limits tresspass encroach definition implies form existing agreement laws agreements made advance boundaries limits behavior society word unconditional implies agreements previous agreements opposite words amendment stronger congress make stronger imply unconditional writers amendment wanted unconditional whay congress make laws pertaining people bear arms amendment implies sort contract people people state bigger part contract people overthrew government laws time guarantee laws stopped people forming regutaled militia duties regulated militia government descussed federalist limits governmental control militia descussed article section article section amendment constitution modern document john lawrence rutledge smart index hyper links stretching research assistant world data terribly frustrating flip back interactive media group pages crude flat illustrations computer science department moved animated umass lowell arrows zoom completely lacked university sound lowell baffling problem words normal text touch unfamiliar word definition jrutledg ulowell david brin earth 
militia incredibly long organization interactive media group university massachusetts lowell lines article stratus tavares writes article jrutledg ulowell john lawrence rutledge writes knew organization required training large group poeple year people year provide basic training people integrated force find suitable location requires continually standing committee organizers response rutledge arguing local federal governments abandoned charter support activity passed laws prohibiting private organizations eliminated basis rkba contrary understands game strengthened originally argued amendment anachronism prohibiting laws examples anachronism laws made representatives people representatives people decided amendment apply broad cases representatives feel unconditional interpretation wanted probable majority people feel people power government people feel people stand state wishes rutledge claiming rkba dependent existence flight regulated militia false assumption posted number times simple stated people join organized militia stated militia meets year organized state readiness claimed people state readiness expected militia stated hamilton modern document john lawrence rutledge smart index hyper links stretching research assistant world data terribly frustrating flip back interactive media group pages crude flat illustrations computer science department moved animated umass lowell arrows zoom completely lacked university sound lowell baffling problem words normal text touch unfamiliar word definition jrutledg ulowell david brin earth 
batf reply waco organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article intel dennis willson writes march strongly worded letters critisizing batf handling randy weaver branch davidian cases politicians senators packwood mark hatfield representative elizabeth furse treasury secretary lloyd bentsen supporter packwood admit round file letter bother writing boxer feinstein eshoo terrible trio allegly represent wrote bentsen letter strongly worded simply stated batf approach immoral military style assault firing house knew kids aparently bentsen forwarded letter batf responded directly text reply pretty closely intend send letter directly return prior service federal search warrant numerous efforts made locate effect arrest david koresh compound efforts unsuccessful david koresh arrested compound action required followers violent subsequent search premises section letter received parts logo steenking badges loss element surprise included sincerely daniel make signature deputy director handwriting apparently signed letter richard garner chief special operations division 
lethal alternatives handguns organization boeing commercial airplane group lines iftccu talk politics guns steiner boeing douglas craig holland holland colostate writes lostsa crap deleted trim articles guns lethal bullets rubber plastic bullets work stopping attack heard lethal misnomer things legal system things lethal hard time explaining applied lethal force thought lethal force rubber bullets ouch justified shooting justified defense ammunition hands improve legal outcome hollow points hold court safer safer innocent standers rule perp safer perp military hard ball shoot times hollow points stop rule fewer wound channels chance surviving incident rick 
lovers american express card organization boeing commercial airplane group lines hell glock thing switched thing glock lack real safety thing trigger great safety warmer thing trigger depressed trigger move means damned thing trigger pulled makes problems assuming functioning correctly safe revolver working correctly totally drop safe police work consideration single documented case aware police officer killed failed operate safety firearm documented cases criminals hold cops figure safety time proprietary nature safety criminal prevented office shot purpose safety make safe unintentional fire complicated slow intentional glock safety perfectly adequate safety standpoint necessarily desirable standpoint open carry easily grabbed criteria make sense concealed carry piece standpoint police worse revolver proprietary officer method firing ideal solution someday biometric sensing user firearm owner wide variety safety systems helps criminal familiar type firearm rick 
lovers american express card organization boeing commercial airplane group lines iftccu talk politics guns vincent gatech vincent guns technical resist revolver advantage misfires pull trigger depends misfired double action revolver hand cocked fire pulling trigger imagine combat type shooting single action misfire revolver means pull trigger rotate round assuming cylinder rotate revolver carried chamber empty hammer maximum safety drawn fired easy motion handed hurts side safety fangled hammer blocks transfer safeties unnecessarily redundant extra round speedloaders revolver reloads fast magazines semi autos faster depending users true speed loaders convenient pack magazines misfire semi auto require clear jammed shell time spent fatal vital lost realize jammed starting clearing true training function semi autos slide worked chamber round cock hammer police carry semi autos chamber loaded hammer cocked safety engaged safe trade safety speed employment revolver cocked locked single actions hammer double actions carry modes make sense series colt safe carry double action semi autos complexity operation requires training agreed shot mouth back true simple misfire revolver cost hand sorts interesting things happen years factory ammunition high primers high primer revolver seconds minutes pound action open clear problem auto jack slide continue bullets case keeping cylinder turning clearing paragraph worst happen semi auto double feed cleared seconds revolvers fragile semi auto sorts close tolerance parts fitting involved dropping blow sorts things action problems cured spot quality semi auto smith revolver short revolver malfunction rule fight majority malfunctions occur semi autos fall category vincint makes good points post leaves opposing view real good starting place ayoob semi auto pistol police defense general agree revolver excellent defense weapon time inclination training practice needed semi auto effectively defense cops notoriously indifferent firearms department train time doubt training issue amount training required effective semi auto times revolver cops bother hate limited pick fits personal inclination wearing moderator guns admit advice people thinking buying defense taking class ruger smith revolver colt fans colt revolvers post arguing revolvers rick 
pill deer hunting organization boeing commercial airplane group lines iftccu talk politics guns ifas vast majority life display firearm suppose depends define vast majority correct majority period lives experience violent assault risk generally higher emergency medical problems heart attack stroke vast loose term approximately americans firearms year year period roughly million americans experience firearms defense yields percent population real rough estimate closer million minors included percentage rate minority groups range referred tiny minorities part group referred vast majority work support simple majority americans display firearm talking ownership wrong half fellow citizens firearms means protection effective firearms provide list means effective convince local police departments switch good luck rick 
guns backcountry organization hand held products lines distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld article reimer uiuc paul reimer writes article pitargue marciano pitargue writes stuff deleted people factoid shooting victims count automobile accidents automobile crimes outlaw cars marciano pitargue automobile accidents atleast regulation combat drunk drivers back road time kill driver license process work drivers license drivers safety class wanted underage licensed drive public roads registered driven public roads segments property live liability insurance driving accident public roads manditory saftey classes registration owner manditory liability insurance nice owners gave permission shoot public roads parks paul reimer reimer uiuc rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham 
organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host punisher caltech article oxford writes turkey pistol automatic weapons fanatics realize rest laugh make angry make chuckle steve nice find laughable understand firearms clash wearing sticker straight state judgement find people accept responsibility defend laugh contempt sheep expect government protect realize photo back truck showed friends back vancouver canada originally people guffawing basic stupidity sticker greater stupidity person place friends sound bunch smug intellectuals live britain rest civilized world perceives morons guess waiting knowing academic likes solve worlds problems answers punch lines case problem canada hear suffering national eccentricity easy purchase weapons smuggled cross border yankee thing canadians uncivilized americans hell britain cops carry guns matter able hell recall people court rusty carried plaintiff nuts waste time watching steve corrupt mind rush limbaugh fans diatribes brady evil liberal media plots damn funny provide endless amounts entertainment arguments examples allowed carry piece chuckling ditto righteous derogatory tirade thick steve laughing feeling safe secure steve johanes 
reminder denver rally tomorrow distribution nntp posting host blanca lance colostate organization colorado state university fort collins lines monster rally carry weapons tomorrow sunday april denver libertarian party sponsor rally state capitol support individual carry weapons speakers include colorado deputy attorney general david kopel radio host hamblin chair david segal pistol instructor lenda jackson novelist neil smith presence participation highly information call david segal cathy smith opinions 
militia incredibly long lines organization university tennessee division continuing education article jrutledg ulowell john lawrence rutledge writes article stratus tavares writes response rutledge arguing local federal governments abandoned charter support activity passed laws prohibiting private organizations eliminated basis rkba contrary understands game strengthened originally argued amendment anachronism prohibiting laws examples anachronism laws made representatives people representatives people decided amendment apply broad cases representatives feel unconditional interpretation wanted probable majority people feel people power government people feel people stand state wishes point point difficult amendment process require super majority change supreme making impossible majority people simply change whim simply changing meaning based representatives people effectively destroys amendment process state entitled process rutledge claiming rkba dependent existence flight regulated militia false assumption posted number times simple stated people join organized militia note considered protected amendment protection peaceful assembly militia inherently peaceful stated thing david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
lines organization university tennessee division continuing education article oxford writes turkey pistol automatic weapons fanatics realize rest laugh make angry make chuckle nice strive entertainment remeber bellingham washington pick truck front friend bumper sticker proclaiming control firm grip wanker thought pretty cool realize photo back truck showed friends back vancouver canada originally people guffawing basic stupidity sticker greater stupidity person place place realize feeling ways canadians laugh americans simply shrug woner hell state place knew mart superstore places experience sight people putting guns ammo shopping carts drove vegas year interesting strategy posting complaints people live britain rest civilized world perceives morons courtesy apparently dead commodity rest civilized world morons recently referred american penchant pistols automatic weapons appropriately called national eccentricity guns monarch economy verg collapse finger pointing atlanticis waste time problem canada hear suffering national eccentricity easy purchase weapons smuggled cross border canada blaming problems years simple fact matter years crowed great system guns divine light shining north pointed cultural differences pointed control crime rates pointed history entire world contained smuggling wanted smuggled problem based guns surfaced years canadian criminals guns provided canada version drug problem drugs prohibited hell britain cops carry guns funny thing border guard belt tons spare ammo canadian shopper hand hell recall people court rusty carried plaintiff nuts news report britain armed crime rise police agencies permanent firearms officers deal news world report british handgun deaths risen past twelve years number dropped smuggling border yeah ticket nice steve learn common courtesy politeness david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
guns backcountry lines organization university tennessee division continuing education article reimer uiuc paul reimer writes article pitargue marciano pitargue writes stuff deleted people factoid shooting victims count automobile accidents automobile crimes outlaw cars marciano pitargue automobile accidents atleast regulation combat drivers license drivers safety class tennessee require sort safety class driver license required twenty question quiz drive block crashing licensed drive probability required licensed drive public roads license private property registered states require registration cars public roads california purposes live liability insurance driving accident states require make requirement public roads sitting unused required insurance manditory saftey classes registration owner manditory liability insurance nice owners pointed significant difference making rules public property making rules ownership half objection trust similar things local jurisdications country abused cases safety classes sheduled funded held year limited number participants registration lists york chicago california confiscation owners theory support planes numbers overwhelmingly show competence problem intentional misuse simply abused leery person pike reasonable suggestion abused david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
criminals machineguns nntp posting host mosquito auburn reply bixledn auburn organization auburn university engineering lines pick hold foot face closely saftey lever positions numerous internal differences field strip weapon valid discussion conclusion external differences distinguish close close range david bixler auburn university standard disclaimers apply 
guns backcountry organization berkeley lines nntp posting host koala berkeley article trotter writes canada enters national park sealed small metal trigger result protect bears psychos national parks sensitive dangers annoyances hiking bear country precautions policy makes users national parks feel closer nature part nature deal nature terms understand philosophy bears national treasure area sanctuary people enter risk rare human killed bear bears provoked shot unbear savvy visitors bears population explosion humans human killed endanger bears agree philosopy understand psychos national treasure suppose decision made provision defense provision defense bears suppose decided rare human killed psycho chance threatening bears personally area managed reduce safety guess live managed wilderness joan 
control organization totally unorganized lines article cescript charles scripter writes excellent exchange deleted reason amendment give people protection government guaranteeing people government anachronism time amend constitution appropriately abraham lincoln inaugural address march country institutions belongs people inhabit grow weary existing government exercise constitutional amending revolutionary dismember overthrow elbridge gerry massachusetts spoken floor debate amendment annals congress august militia prevent establishment standing army bane liberty governments invade rights liberties people attempt destroy militia order raise army ruins category rutledge means destroy liberties rights find hard understand people apparantly connected government privileged great lengths redefinitions interpretations full bore attempt throw protection rights constitution makes lemmings running lemming year jefferson madison folks government great things drawn washington centre power render powerless checks provided government venal oppressive government separated thomas jefferson excellent quote uucp prejudice myrto seattle fails uunet pilchuck rwing wisdom things infinite universe human stupidity albert einstien 
guns backcountry organization georgia institute technology lines article handheld arras writes article reimer uiuc paul reimer writes article pitargue marciano pitargue writes stuff deleted people automobile accidents automobile crimes outlaw cars automobile accidents atleast regulation combat drunk drivers back road time kill driver license process work testify cousin spent weeks hospital friend killed drunk driver back streets officers scene drivers safety class wanted underage licensed drive public roads registered driven public roads segments property live liability insurance driving accident public roads work offer uninsured motorist coverage manditory saftey classes registration owner manditory liability insurance nice owners object mandatory registration trust government information give purposes licensed carry concealed pistol home state asked owned firearm safety class issuing permit carry provided classes regularly public places time reserves competition rifle team count gave permission shoot public roads parks idea paul reimer agenda private ownership firearms harass person legally defend exercise rights defending oneself family concerned state alabama concerned push stricter prosecution firearms commission crime pointed nailing hard comparing countries seldom works european attitude alchohol work attitude weapons valid comparison historically populace disarmed submissive country founded bunch rugged individualists told european monarchies part flying leap polite language weaseled international treaty convinced french interests complain overcome fact brits restrict squirrel guns properly submissive forced wars american history classes days tend gloss facts image convey glad amer hist teacher libertarian review good portion federalist papers debate origins meanings rambling james james cochrane danger doubt space gatech circles scream shout rent 
sale organization olde bailey houston lines reply wray sccsi wray nntp posting host utexas gorman time ccrtkba band voice sumpin broadcast truth change able favorable item happen average owner notice happening break door record publicly effect contribute minimum fund organized made viable money mouth million owners realistic hold anti bullshit stop happen make happen nuts headquarters weenies listening rtkba organization honcho listening time stop fighting brady schumer interesting meaning acronynm comfort office time money pack control advocates sanity pass olde bailey houston texas sccsi home cosuard 
carrying arms nntp posting host ucsu colorado organization university colorado boulder distribution lines article dwhite spdc white writes question amendment bothered awhile amendment guarentees bear arms prohibitionists restrict eliminate arms brady bill assault weapon lost bear arms states texas citizen carry home business citizen severely restricted bearing areas texas carry traveling defined traveling county line court rulings legality restricting carrying weapon home texans states laws found violate state constitution federal amendment apply directly states written limit federal government fourteenth amendment written extend restrictions bill rights state level exact wording fourteenth amendment vague supreme court dancing issue facing directly years practice bill indirectly applies fourteenth applies state governments supreme court ruled provision court made rulings amendment frank crary boulder 
amendment dead good organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article ifas writes bulk firarems unworthy unnesessary opponents posessa cool jakcet argue parking space woman short trivial worthless open debate excessive number people murdered year people save innocent lives firearms media ruined recovery future federal martials arms federal marshalls dangerous thinking criminal fault crap simplistic thinking part feather headed dolts amendment dead accept find nuts 
amendment dead good organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article handheld arras writes amendment dead accept find dead repealed remember protects rkba grant rights additional laws passed outlaw possession outlawed private posession firearms moral force imagine compliance 
organization ideology busters lines article oxford writes turkey pistol automatic weapons fanatics realize rest laugh pretty hilarious love brit kiss royal arse throw freedom speech sake protecting reputation royal sluts british government advertised american newspapers send defend british home british civilians faced threat invasion desperately arms defense homes wwii american rifleman november obscene publications misuse drugs justification police seize masterpieces william burrough junky hunter thompson fear loathing vegas wolfe electric kool acid test british courts recognized assemble demonstrate evidence obtained form coerced confessions allowed trial felonies warrant trial jury suspected terrorists prove innocence government prove guilt secretary state issue exclusionary order bars entering part united kingdom northern ireland wales banned paul mccartney give ireland back irish john lennon give peace chance gulf england funny pathetic knew mart superstore places experience sight people putting guns ammo shopping carts drove vegas year laughter dealing things find uncomfortable thought vegas show vegas street corners pretty funny strange wonderous things country live britain rest civilized world perceives morons recently referred american penchant pistols automatic weapons appropriately called national eccentricity disagree problem canada hear suffering national eccentricity easy purchase weapons smuggled cross border disguised cocaine rush limbaugh fans diatribes brady evil liberal media plots damn funny provide endless amounts entertainment arguments examples allowed carry piece chuckling laugh matter life death find funny england allies open britain grow secretive censorious real british vice passivity willingness tolerate constraints find unbearble britain unfree country terrence dequesne edward goodman larry cipriani cipriani 
guns good riddance organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article ifas writes vote considered abomination matter hard public opinion rkba nope northern california newspaper recently survey people favored stricter controls full liberal swear word areas country half people additional controls revocation rkba finish clinton administration rkba null void tough titty misguided dolt maintain dangerous bush clinton publicly support revoking amendment surrender arms officers collect resistance useless overwhelm time neighbors threat abstract criminal neighbors fucking violent solutions passe avoid situations encourage criminals safe violent solutions passe propose disarming police mention rkba breath rkba able defend killing innocent mention funny control created specifically disarm black people 
american express card nntp posting host ucsu colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article thomas parsli writes drivers licence forgot land cars scandinavia northern europe easy average time hours training cost license required driving exclusively private property farm united states license required public roads abuse goverment main problems harder control abused goverment paranoid offence goverment elections nation million people issues candidates office president abuse mild control laws create facto majority people object elected voters issues civil rights minorities health care vote lesser evils matter paranoia local governments york chicago abused existing mild control laws create virtual guns criminals weapons criminals today stolen criminals weapons points control case united states adaquate control laws federal statistic wielding criminals legally purchase guns licensed dealers point control prevent criminals legally purchasing guns america additional laws accomplish mixing weapons things meant cars kill guns guns legal purposes owning tools hunting target shooting defence cars murder common murders axes impose regulations ment trees problem axer imagine american public accepting regulation axes politics nations america strong opposition intrusive primarily effect average abiding citizen wrong situation angeles people buying guns protect good situation rigth deal problem good deal problem excelent deal short term problem rioting violent attacks long term issues start riots point individuals long term social problems buys guns protect criminals neighbor guns happen surveys guns american homes parts country closer places owns average safer guns common word responsible owners problem affected protect citicens fundamental difference american government nations acceptable punish restrict average abiding citizen vague common good frank crary boulder 
shoot lines organization university tennessee division continuing education article jason kratz writes heard opinions subject hear people situation pull give chance decided continue action shooting killing question stay wait cops collect brass semi auto provided data point tennessee friend mine police officer essentially recommends fade perfectly justified great deal hassle side note carrying concealed misdemeanor kind laws books type situation thing happen stayed waited offense happen caught state things pretty david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
guns good riddance organization ideology busters lines article ifas writes loosing question vote considered abomination matter hard public opinion rkba surveys shown public thinks types control acceptable individual bear arms police discretion firearms finish clinton administration rkba null void clinton administration things screwed hell england tough titty tough titty eloquent claim clinton fight ahead thinks pass comprehensive legislation sign brady bill desk happening modify acceptable discover ways make firearms give legally illegally american firearms number unregistered weapons york city millions close number violent criminals number cases firearms abuses ruined stopping violent crime violent criminals jail long long time belong letting early release politics feel live sword press public voting public flow history snore advice rkba brit surrender arms officers collect resistance useless watch star trek understandable attitude brit subject state overwhelm time necessarily ways resisting oppression caught neighbors threat abstract criminal abstract criminal killed relative mine working carry fucking violent solutions passe undesirable unavoidable resist criminal attack means chances resisting violent attack stand chance unharmed avoid situations encourage criminals safe joke criminals disarmed population criminals preying means defense larry cipriani cipriani 
amendment dead good lines organization university tennessee division continuing education article ifas writes millions cases firearms deter criminals alas provable provable provable number votes vast bill clinton election accept information prove refuse accept provable cases fine support assertation supported assertations national crime survey secret estimates defenses assaults considered considerably report broken weapon form defense including dowing effective avoiding injury death bulk firarems unworthy unnesessary opponents posessa cool jakcet argue parking space woman short trivial worthless support assertation hell support ruined recovery nice future federal martials arms nice amendment dead accept find earth correct lose continuing argue gain david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
american express card lines organization university tennessee division continuing education article thomas parsli writes abuse goverment main problems harder control abused goverment paranoid offence parsli exception verifiable previous examples levels governments abusing control restrictions paranoid worry abused recent past abused thye future times burned sane person stop putting hand stove goverment elections love long politicians grab power sell pork back constituents silly suggest trust government government allowed change governments road lies total government power totalitarianism guns criminals weapons criminals today stolen criminals weapons points control control strict scandinavia europe dont problem smuggled guns north american continent europe matter people drugs illegal years canada crowed control control guns continent canada comparable rates canadian border magical mexican border shorter heavily patrolled accept argument mixing weapons things meant cars kill guns approximately deaths guns thirds suicides suicide rates norway makes death rate half death rate issue hope agree criminals main problem guns problem discusion interesting jugoslavia weapons rigth kill innocent people problem humans guns problem humans stone axes matter simply assaulted weapon sort totally irrelevent weapons built suggest murderous impulse humanity dates weapons bosnians making excellent attempt kill half thousand years taking guns halt killing reduce brutality murders axes impose regulations ment trees problem axer flame killed guns approximately murders commited firearms handguns handguns reason guns problem rate exceeds europe countries entire violent crime rate knives fists case examples control applied abkect failures drug prohibition forms prohibition deal people solve problem problem violent crime concentrate tools vast majority guns misused order entire lifetime make argument misuse situation angeles people buying guns protect good situation situation good people fear lives recall scenes store owners riots protecting shops guns lost livelihoods rigth deal problem problem poverty rage angeles problem violent action person hurt condition make dead burn house examine problem referring discussing violently assaulting perfectly legitimate response make stop simply letting prepared shoot mentioned store owners buys guns protect criminals neighbor guns happen households form firearm long accounts level access million americans firearm ownership educated whites group involved violent crime worth david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
shoot nntp posting host ucsu colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article jason kratz writes situation pull give chance decided continue action shooting killing question stay wait cops collect brass semi auto provided obvious choice armed defence strongly protected colorado constitution laws state clear situation hypothetical fear police publicly carrying weapon concealed habit worst deal class misdemeanor situation clear worry arrest manslaughter homicide safer wait police leave avoid police involvement committing felonies ruining chances claiming defence court defence prosecuter hide police states decision clear washington defence automatically guilty felony violations city control laws person choices conviction couple felonies versus conviction half dozen frank crary boulder 
guns good riddance reply billma bill mallon organization publications manhasset lines article ifas writes surrender arms officers collect resistance useless overwhelm time post french captain borg borg borg rush home hear kruschev calling papa ifas endeavoring construct mnemonic memory circuit stone knives bearskins spock humble typesetter 
tanks civilians silly outdated bill koresh summary tanks civilians couldn happen read history organization totally unorganized lines article scottj georgetown john scott writes picking nits tanks firing main deleted point missed apparantly acceptable government brother tanks control people long allright tanks deployed civilians firing crew served weaponry heavy machine crew served press government howl instantly country civilians shot time light small arms places people tank real danger molotov coctails round rifle pistol deals approaching snipers turn strays cops guard army gunfire people group idea tanks control civilians pretends free society outrageous government feels kind force stomp protests violent citizens suggests government totally control effectively government declaring people government living responsibility government people people lords elites good thing citizens feel resorting acts squashed military boot people things convinced option remains attempts grievances redressed criminal element exploit fact remains government unresponsive acts happen excuse open civilians tanks heavy machine guns makes philosophy hallmark government rogue tough simply squash iron boot addressing grievances token fashion huge volumes inconvenient sort variation mushroom management dark smother shit crush ready folks liberals arrange things monopoly coercive force firearms expensive toys gutting bill rights progressive modern thinking anymore unbelievable amid smoke confusion real riot situation tank firing main building close range hear explosion explosions loud stand pound bomb tactical nuke hole blown wall rubble tanks knocking walls sources buildings turning rubble covering racket gunfire including tacking stand explained musta leak reported conditions tank driving quiet street sunday afternoon turning firing stand pretty impossible cover john scott uucp prejudice myrto seattle fails uunet pilchuck rwing wisdom things infinite universe human stupidity albert einstien 
guns good riddance organization diego state university college sciences lines nntp posting host nosc newsreader version ifas wrote loosing question vote considered abomination matter hard public opinion rkba care show real numbers make thought foaming mouth shouting finish clinton administration rkba null void tough titty wait satisified living fantasy cases firearms abuses ruined press public voting public flow history true ignorant afraid understand accept deal real problems violent society proposing control band solution refresh memory quote prez clintion criminals stupid cutting budget prisons remind promised thought bother surrender arms officers collect resistance useless overwhelm time neighbors threat abstract criminal ooh waco coming living room time turned remember thought fucking violent solutions passe avoid situations encourage criminals safe wait late april fool post stupid post good group boring holly susan francis chiu professional student programmer payer 
undertaxed poll organization university illinois urbana lines kennejs okstate kennedy james scot writes article akasacou carleton alexander kasacous writes article veal david veal writes spent money guns people canada ridiculous estimated general level intellegence average reader rush limbaugh canada capita spend money people spend money capita guns spends capita guns canada talking government talking purchase guns private citizens referring private citizens point irrevelant individuals money essentially business hand meant government spends capita guns canada point relevant true priorities straight people important guns guns important government spend capita guns people awry meant spends capita guns canada surprising busy protecting western world ussr countries slack defense spending spends capita people canada true apples apples comparison previous post apples oranges 
randy weaver trial update nntp posting host gozer organization sigsauer club lines note trial updates summarized reports idaho statesman local affiliate television station ktvb channel randy weaver kevin harris trial update friday april fourth trial synopsis defense attorney gerry spence cross examined agent cooper repeated objections prosecutor ronald howen spence moved mistrial denied marked caustic cross examination deputy marshal larry cooper defense attorney gerry spence spence explicitly stated angle stategy involve destroying credibility agent cooper cooper government eyewitness death agent degan spence attacked cooper credibility pointing discrepancies cooper statements september made court cooper conceded things compressed seconds difficult remember cooper acknowledged carried colt commando submachine silenced barrel thought colt commando revolver cooper continued stating federal agents specific plans weapon started kill weaver spence asked cartridges fired degan rifle degan apparently dead cooper degan return fire spence continued agents extent cooper discussed august events cooper responded implying story wrong counselor spence continued advance defense version events marshal started shooting killing weaver cooper disagreed assistant attorney ronald howen repeatedly objected spence virulent cross examination agent cooper arguing questions repetitive spence wasting time howen complained spence improperly cross examination advance defense version events district judge edward lodge sustained objections lawyers persisted judge lodge jury leave room proceded admonish attorneys play games counsel personality problem start acting professionals spence told judge evidence agent larry cooper testimony credible panicked remember sequence events spence continued find similarity cookie cutter testimony cooper witnesses spence moved mistrial grounds howen repeated objections prevent fair trial fair trial jury believes sort charlatan jury believes bending rules engaging delaying tactic violating court orders judge lodge called notion repeated sustainings howen objections prejudiced jury preposterous denied motion mistrial lodge howen restrict comments objecting trial resumed prosecution calling special agent greg rampton prosecution purpose simply introduce weapons found cabin evidence defense seized opportunity address cooper credibility defense attorney ellison matthews harris attorney questioned rampton rampton stated specific plans kill weaver detected matthews rampton read septtember transcript rampton cooper purpose silenced weapon kill detected chased rampton acknowledged believed cooper remember stated conduct primary interview deputy cooper conversations interview conducted monday april begin trial scheduled continued cross examination agent greg rampton 
randy weaver trial update nntp posting host gozer organization sigsauer club lines copy update randy weaver trial large response email messages decided sufficient interest warrant posting file folks boise resident list guess kind falls people updated randy weaver kevin harris trial yesterday marked seating jury apparently legal activities occurred jury selected things start today interesting happenned dozen weaver supporters showed stage protest courthouse woman carried sign read stands trial murder vicki forget weaver evening news protesting freedom speech freedom religion thought nice sound bite grin news reporter interviewed named refused give prejudge looked nazi expected nazis show trial handing leaflets support weaver harris news footage boise telling move arrest finer points political activity feet courthouse happenned amendment ominous local reporter filmed agent gestapo minicam filming protestors world brother gerry spence asked protestors leave weaver case confident evidence weaver aquitted stuff drew 
brady bill loopholes keywords brady handguns instant check waiting period organization netcom line communication services guest distribution lines finished reading questions brady bills current versions brady bill status bills heard committee close made fairly similar important differences missed loopholes appeals process wrongful denial waiting period civil lawsuit appeals process required instant background check system established police explicitly liable mistakes denying approving existing records inaccurate record corrected includes exception waiting period clause person convince local chief enforcement officer cleo threat life life household member considered threat place limit long cleo takes issue exception statement true misunderstood holes stop person clean record buying guns grinding serial numbers selling crooks minimum additional laws needed prevent counting scheme needed john owns guns passes surprised legislation stricter harder forge national registration justified make brady bill work comment interested specific problems current legislation start general discussion merits waiting period bills proposed marks shepard 
amendment dead good reply nntp posting host organization inferno mailer psilink lines date ifas millions cases firearms deter criminals alas provable case alive provable twisted logic cases wrong brain trust bulk firarems unworthy unnesessary opponents planet amendment dead accept find wrong long freedom remains dictionary faustus month club hmm glock month 
organization lines nntp posting host apple article oxford writes turkey pistol automatic weapons fanatics realize rest laugh make angry make chuckle remeber bellingham washington laughing civilized behavior supposed learn article treat people dogs impressed attitude 
amendment dead good organization lines nntp posting host apple article ifas writes future federal martials arms dangerous thinking criminal fault amendment dead accept find ways kick straighten things country people replace guns deadly sprays make mace water lighter easier conceal guns design long tons motivated design real nasty stuff guns moving track asap stuff smaller lighter deadly remember country scramble accomplish impossible feats motivated defense high list motivators 
guns good riddance nntp posting host gozer organization sigsauer club lines article ifas writes loosing loosing vote considered abomination matter hard public opinion rkba vote rkba abomination finish clinton administration rkba null void tough titty sarah brady delighted hear ranting raving clinton publically stated repeal amendment tough titty discover ways make firearms number cases firearms abuses ruined live sword make people york city york city utopia dream millions unregistered handguns york city high crime rate gungrabber nightmare idaho idaho police give concealed carry permits criminal record gungrabber schemes foids waiting periods month ltcs horror horrors permit carry concealed weapon city limits permit concealed carry automobile feel hell safer boise dream state washington press public voting public flow history voting public idaho staunchly senators endorsed rated clue surrender arms officers collect resistance useless overwhelm time neighbors threat abstract criminal wallet clue millions millions firearms half life approaching eternity cosmoline tracked feds fucking violent solutions passe avoid situations encourage criminals safe control laws passed protect blacks drew betz idbsu brought terminal free state idaho outlaw rights outlaws rights spook fodder fema clinton gore insurrection semtex neptunium terrorist deuterium 
american express card distribution lines article fcrary colorado frank crary practice marksmanship taking coat fast start shooting recommended practice defense rapidly true unusual looked practicing shoot point forgot bring gang member illegal carry concealed weapon area state illinois matter people illinois carry concealed weapons illegaly practicing people bright idea necessarily conflict practicing concealed weapon defence practicing shoot armed defence occasionally involve shooting attacker frank crary boulder agree practice carry defense trouble situation arise jason 
guns good riddance lines article ifas love posts people replied knew baiting decided post people reply ignore thing surrender arms officers collect resistance useless overwhelm time listen buddy quote star trek quote resistance futile time jason 
shoot lines article steiner utoledo jason steiner jason kratz writes situation pull give chance decided continue action shooting killing question stay wait cops collect brass semi auto provided kind laws books type situation thing happen stayed waited offense happen caught ghods idea trouble taking leaving scene auto accident killing leaving times worse defense time collect spent casings officer reload reply depends area live david veal reply heard thing reply fade heard police officer record talking tennessee fugitive nice legal abiding status send story armed citizen column american rifleman jason jason 
shoot lines article veal david veal article jason kratz heard opinions subject hear people situation pull give chance decided continue action shooting killing question stay wait cops collect brass semi auto provided data point tennessee friend mine police officer essentially recommends fade perfectly justified great deal hassle side note carrying concealed misdemeanor heard fade kind evidence able catch assuming collected brass revolver kind laws books type situation thing happen stayed waited offense happen caught state things pretty guess time trip library illinois statutes record folks curious find people read stuff david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird jason 
nntp posting host gozer organization sigsauer club lines article oxford writes turkey pistol automatic weapons fanatics realize rest laugh make angry make chuckle remeber bellingham washington warning flammage follow british sense humor real buster blew couple weeks britain government ordered defenseless coping violent criminals laugh victims pick truck front friend bumper sticker proclaiming control firm grip wanker thought pretty cool preference realize photo back truck showed friends back vancouver canada originally people guffawing basic stupidity sticker greater stupidity person place canada criminals bother checking victims home break america criminals worry shot frequently check home knew mart superstore places experience sight people putting guns ammo shopping carts drove vegas year heard world phoenix arizona fantastic hoping visit live britain rest civilized world perceives morons recently referred american penchant pistols automatic weapons appropriately called national eccentricity britain place guilty proven innocent oxford britain begging morons early guns defend hitler supposedly enlightened government disarmed chaps jolly give guns hitler starts threaten yanks guns bloody eccentric habit guns hand shotgun problem canada hear suffering national eccentricity easy purchase weapons smuggled cross border amazing black markets work damn drugs south america coming borders banned guess legalize makes send fifty bucks libertarian party thinking rush limbaugh fans diatribes brady evil liberal media plots damn funny provide endless amounts entertainment arguments examples allowed carry piece chuckling close minded ignorance parallel guess raised subject rights type gravitates desire hold power hell miss gerald mcrainey monty python sketches chuckle cops beat senseless confession laugh silly find confession valid court mate justice british style drew betz idbsu brought terminal free state idaho outlaw rights outlaws rights spook fodder fema clinton gore insurrection semtex neptunium terrorist deuterium 
laws organization canadian microelectronics corporation lines moderator nice summary keith talked federal dept justice ottawa clarify bunch things canadian laws posting informational purposes questions email followup technically feasible impossible concealed carry permit canada contrary told police officer legal lethal force firearm protect life contrary officer told guns stored locked unloaded capacity magazines clear exempt managed province general idea exempt persons receive letter form authorizing possess high capacity magazines apparently authorization prohibited weapons allowed possess dealers allowed order high capacity mags allowed possess allowed stock high capacity magazines converted comply limits considered prohibited weapons amendments regulations methods alter magazines manufacturers beretta marketing reduced capacity magazines charge covers discussed typed memory gospel lawyer refuse play keith solla ipsc ontario ofah keith frontenac rifle pistol club 
sign times organization olde bailey houston lines reply wray sccsi wray nntp posting host utexas article morning houston post negotiators send food rebellious inmates humanitarian gesture speaking ohio prison riot killed hostage guards group mindset appears common rule give diddley waco treat criminals deserving humanitarian gestures indicator criminal caste enjoy priviliges today society victims abiding citizens makes criminal precious leaders system criminal tools authorities excuse rights negation foist abiding citizen crime control solve crime problem citizen held hostage crime problem solved favor citizen victim expense criminal crap rico banning excuses work agenda control move thought explain understand olde bailey houston texas sccsi home cosuard 
firearms organization australian defence force academy canberra australia lines ifas writes firearms tend fall dollar pound area economic smuggle production local people skill motivation assemble worthwhile firearms scratch high ranking crime figures obtain imported uzis average person average thug lucky nose australian customs service make public statement parliamentary committee year weapons smuggling problem able control possibly criminals grasp economics geoff miller miller computer centre australian defence force academy 
amendment dead good organization university california berkeley lines nntp posting host cchem berkeley originator gaucher cchem berkeley christ assume posting fool article ifas writes millions cases firearms deter criminals alas provable cases suppose word people firearms protect admit ridiculous laws exist forbidding concealed carry bulk firarems unworthy unnesessary opponents posessa cool jakcet argue parking space woman short trivial worthless cool jacket ride bicycle work park desk woman decides disappointed killing suitor endear frankly woman worth killing chrome barrel worth killing ruined recovery future federal martials arms dangerous thinking criminal fault pinhead rest worried federal martials coming guns government violent criminals jail prison space legal system burdened millions owners fork weapons volunteer services humble abode feel soo strongly amendment dead accept find argument rendered useless accept find newsgroup gaucher opinions gaucher cchem berkeley 
ohio house bill otto beatty military weapons organization ideology busters distribution keywords otto beatty military weapons registration sales lines note ohio legislation unlike federal legislation shows entire changed legislation parts capitals rest current regular type introduced general asembly regular session represenative beatty bill amend sections enact section revised code expand defintion dangerous ordnance include military weapons bolt action increase penalty violation prohibition possession dangerous ordnance prohibit person acquiring military weapon effective date require licensure military weapons acquired aproper purpose prior effective prohibit person importing manufacturing selling military weapon declare emergency enacted general assembly state ohio section sections amended section revised code enacted read section revised code deadly weapon means instrument device thing capable inflicting death designed specially adapted weapon possessed carried weapon firearm means deadly weapon capable expelling propelling projectiles action explosive combustible propellant firarms includes unloaded firearm firearm inoperable readily rendered operable determining firearm capable expelling propelling projectiles action explosive combustible propellant trier fact rely circumstancial evidence including limited representations actions individual exercising control firearm handgun means firearm designed fired held hand semi automatic firearm means firearm designed specially adapted fire single cartridge automatically chamber suceeding cartridge ready fire single function trigger automatic firearm means firearm designed specially adapted fire succession cartridges single function trigger automatic firearm means semi automatic firearm designed specially adapted fire thirty cartridges reloading firearm chambering caliber short long long rifle cartridges sawed firearm means shotgun barrel eighteen inches long rifle barrel sixteen inches long shotgun rifle twenty inches long means firearm crude extemporized manufacture device including limitation starter pistol designed firearm specially adapted firearm industrial tool signalling device safety device designed firearm designed capable firearm possessed carried firearm explosive device means device designed specially adapted physical harm persons property means explosion consisting explosive substance agency means detonate explosive device includes limitation bomb explosive demolition device blasting detonator explosive charge pressure vessel knowingly tampered arranged explode incendiary device means firebomb device designed specially adapted physical harm persons property means fire consisting incendiary substance agency means ignite ballistic knife means knife detachable blade propelled spring operated mechanism dangerous ordinance means provided division section automatic sawed firearms ballistic knife explosive device incendiary device nitroglycerin nitrocellulose nitrostarch petn cyclonite picric acid high explosives amatol tritonal tetrytol pentolite pecretol cyclotol high explosive compositions plastic explosives dynamite blasting gelatin gelatin dynamite sensitized ammonium nitrate liquid oxygen blasting explosives blasting powder blasting agents explosive substance sufficient brisance power suitable military explosive mining quarrying excavating demolitions firearm rocket launcher mortar artillery piece grenade mine bomb torpedo similar weapon designed manufactured military purposes ammunition weapon firearm muffler silencer military weapon detachable magazine magazine drum belt feed strip similar device capacity readily restored converted accept fifteen rounds ammunition combination parts intended owner converting firearm device dangerous ordinance dangerous ordnance include firearm including military weapon ammunition weapon actual employs percussion obsolete ignition system designed safe black powder pistol rifle shotgun designed suitable sporting purposes firearm military weapon issued modified ammunition weapon automatic sawed firearm cannon artilery piece actual type accepted prior mechanical hydraulic pneumatic system absorbing recoil returning tube battery displacing carriage designed safe black powder black powder priming quills percussion caps possessed lawfully fire cannon type defined division section displays celebrations organized matches shoots target practice smokeless black powder primers percussion caps possed lawfully propellant ignition device small arms small arms ammunition dangerous ordinance inoperable inert readily rendered operable activated trophy souvenir curio museum piece device expressly excepted definition destructive device pursuant control stat amended regulations issued military weapon means firearm originally manufactured military copy firearm firearm bolt action firearm model firearms semi automatic firearm rifle model copy firearms semi automatic firearm rifle armalite auto ordnance thompson models avtomat kalashnikov poly tech china sports bullpup mitchell barrett light fifty model baretta bushmaster auto rifle calico colt commando arms carbine mark mark mark universal carbine enforcer american arms daewoo fabrique nationale famas feather federal galil goncz high tech carbine heckler koch mandall carbine ruger mini folding stock model series springfield armory alpine carbine sterling mark steyr carbine mini carbine valmet bullpup carbine weaver arms nighthawk military military carbine springfield armory assault thompson drum magazine plainfield commando universe carbine cobray silencer spectre auto carbine cobray armi jager commando armscorp america israeli clayco carbine dragunov sniper iver johnson paratrooper norinco partisan avenger sigarms squires bingham wilkinson terry carbine model firearms semi automatic firearm pistol model copy firearms semi automatic firearm pistol bushmaster auto pistol calico auto pistol ebcin feather mini goncz high tech pistol holmes intratec scorpion iver johnson enforcer ingram mitchell arms spectre auto scarab skorpion sterling pistol universal enforcer wilkinson linda auto pistol model firearms semi automatic firearm shotgun model copy firearms semi automatic firearm shotgun franchi spas striker street sweeper benelli super mossberg bullpup usas auto shotgun person knowingly acquire carry dangerous ordnance person knowingly dangerous ordnance section apply officers agents employees state united states members armed forces united states organized militia state enforcement officers extent person authorized acquire carry dangerous ordnance acting scope duties importers manufacturers dealers users explosives license user permit issued effect pursuant organized crime control stat amendments additions reenactments respect explosives explosive devices lawfully acquired possessed carried laws state applicable federal importers manufactuers dealers license deal destructive devices ammunition issued effect pursuant control stat amendments additions reenactments respect dangerous ordnance lawfully acquired possessed carried laws state applicable federal persons surplus ordnance sold loaned secretary army pursuant stat amendments additions reenactments respect dangerous ordnance lawfully possessed purpose section owners dangerous ordnance registered national firearms registration transfer record pursuant october stat amendments additions reenactments regulations issued carriers warehousemen engaged business transporting storing goods hire respect dangerous ordnance lawfully transported stored usual business compliance laws state applicable federal holders license temporary permit issued effect pursuant section revised code respect dangerous ordnance lawfully acquired possessed carried purposes manner license permit division section apply acquisition carrying dangerous ordnance military weapon apply person acquires carries dangerous ordnance question acquired effective date amendment collector item legitimate research scientific educational industrial proper purpose close business seventh effective date amendment person acquired dangerous ordnance question accordance division section submitted application pursuant section revised code license carry application denied valid license issued person divisions section apply acquisition carrying dangerous ordnance division section revised code acquired prior effective date amendment violates section quilty unlawful possession dangerous ordnance aggravated felony degree person acquired military weapon effective date section file written application license carry military weapon sheriff county safety director police chief municipal corporation applicant resides principal place business application filed close business seventh effective date section accompanied filing fifty dollars person file separate application separate filing military weapon intends carry application information address occupation business address applicant applicant natural person address principal place business applicant applicant corporation description military weapon license requested including serial number identification marks statement purpose military weapon acquired possessed carried information issuing authority require giving effect section oath applicant information application true close business fourteenth application license carry military weapon filed division section issuing authority approve application issue license applicant deny application send letter denial ordinary mail applicant conducting investigation issuing authority issue license applicant determines satisfies criteria applicant twenty years older applicant natural person appears applicant possess carry military weapon collector item legitimate scientific educational industrial proper purpose appears applicant sufficient competence carry military weapon proper precautions ensure security military weapon safety persons property applicant otherswise prohibited carrying dangerous ordnance license issued pursuant division section valid year date issuance license renewed pursuant division section provided division section person issued license division section renew license filing application renewal regular mail sheriff county safety director police chief municipal corporation issuing authority license application renewal filed annually year date license issued renewed sheriff safety director peace officer municipal corporation make applications renewal license issued division section application applicant oath update information submitted previous application license renewal license application renewal license accompanied dollars applicant file seperate application renewal seperate renewal military weapon intends continue carry person changed residence principal place business location jurisdiction issuing authority subsequent issuance renewal license section renew license filing application manner prescribed division section sheriff county safety director police chief municipal corporation resides principal place business making application renew license change residence place business applicant give notice change address regular mail original issuing authority license state fire marshall notification forms prescribed sheriff safety director police chief seeks renewal license carry military weapon identify person issued identify military weapon issued state purpose identified division section military weapon possessed carried state expiration date list restrictions carrying military weapon prescribed laws state applicable federal person issued license carry military weapon section address notify issuing authority change address ninety days change occurred issuing authority forward state fire marshall copy license issued renewed section state fire marshall permanent file licenses issued renewed section issuing authority application fifty dollars filed division section deposited general fund county muncipal corporation served issuing authority issuing authority dollars fifty cents renewal filed division section deposited general fund county municipal corporation served issuing authority send dollars fifty cents renewal treasurer state deposit state treasury credit general revenue fund violates division section guilty failing apply licensure military weapon felony fourth degree violates division section guilty failing apply renewal license military weapon misdemeanor degree military weapon licensed required section contraband defined section revised code subject forfeiture section revised code person import manufacture possess sale sell furnish person military weapon recklessly sell lend give furnish firearm person prohibited section revised code acquiring firearm recklessly sell lend give furnish dangerous ordnance person prohibited section revised code acquiring dangerous ordnance possess firearm dangerous ordnance purpose dispose violation division section manufacture possess sale sell furnish person enforcement agency authorized police work brass knuckles cestus billy blackjack sandbag switchblade knife springblade knife gravity knife similar weapon transferring dangerous ordnance negligently fail require transferes exhibit identification license permit showing authorized acquire dangerous ordnance pursuant section revised code negligently fail complete record transaction forthwith forward copy record sheriff county safety director police chief municipality transaction takes place knowingly fail report enforcement authorities forthwith loss theft firearm dangerous ordnance person possession control violates section quilty unlawful transactions weapons violation division section aggravated felony degree violation division section felony degree violation division section misdemeanor degree violation division section midemeanor fourth degree section existing section revised code repealed section declared emergency measure preservation public peace health safety reason necessity action prohibit continued purchase possession military weapons result ameliorate substantial threat death injury public caused misuse improper weapons effect larry cipriani cipriani 
guns good riddance organization university california berkeley lines nntp posting host cchem berkeley originator gaucher cchem berkeley article ifas writes loosing question spell question vote considered abomination matter hard public opinion rkba reading public opinion polls agree misguided public assault weapons banned lied media frequency violent crime public opinion dead rkba idiots metzenbaum schumer foolish bills passed congress easier governments broke longer protect citizens american people start usefulness firearms contrary time side finish clinton administration rkba null void tough titty yeah hold breath condolences discovery uncomfortable resilience mammary glands issue hand ridiculous tripe deleted press public voting public flow history yeah liberal press expect coherent thought opinions based desire politically correct facts generously provided bother birkenstocks library read friends anti exception bases opinions facts evidence contrary disarming abiding citizens make world civilized make sheep wallow pitiful liberal white guilt society driven criminal rape murder support spending millions public dollars protecting rights scum demonstrated regard society laws ignore fact areas strictest control worst crime areas control crime comparison ignore confront fact abiding citizens guns causing trouble society accept guess faith crime starts making significant inroads neighborhoods starts directly hurting families whistle tune hope late surrender arms officers collect resistance useless overwhelm time hmm expecting company tonight able whip quick cheese cracker plate bring drinks time vacuum fucking violent solutions passe avoid situations encourage criminals safe glad ended posting medication worn gaucher opinions gaucher cchem berkeley 
amendment dead good organization doctoral student materials science engineering carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply excerpts netnews talk politics guns amendment dead good ifas millions cases firearms deter criminals alas provable cases excerpted letter wrote apparent researched facts personal protection legitimate reason sport private citizen recent research gary kleck florida state university school criminology found handguns victims defeat crime criminals commit study figures encouraging number crimes occur presence hands abiding private citizen national institute justice study state prisons country found felons surveyed aborted crime believed intended victim armed agreed criminals worried meeting armed victim running police heinous crimes women country recent observation women purchasing handguns defense response present danger assaults encouraging news events orlando florida indicator late female populace plagued series brutal assaults publicity record number women buying guns obtaining training resulted decrease rape area city size country experience decrease crime year additionally justice department study attempted rapes showed rape attempted completion rate woman defends completion rate drops kleck point blank guns violence america aldine gruyter wright rossi armed considered dangerous survey felons firearms aldine gruyter unlike cats dogs scratch wash figure wrong dave barry seth eliot dept material science engineering carnegie mellon univerity pittsburgh arpa eliot bitnet andrew 
definition organization university waterloo lines debate amendment rages arguments continue regulated militia trkba means practical terms authority area binding court decision matter decision area subject overturning higher court facts legal precedent preferably supreme court decision specific meaning amendment 
sale organization university texas austin austin lines distribution nntp posting host louie utexas article writes article wray sccsi wray bill vojak read paper yestarday turner trim media holdings putting sale potential bidder time warner sigh time ccrtkba band voice sumpin broadcast truth change able favorable item happen average owner notice happening break door record publicly effect contribute minimum fund organized made viable money mouth million owners realistic hold anti bullshit stop happen make happen nuts join ranks ability thing support contribute effort jeeze people student hard earned savings means shot truth told airwaves count mike ruff thine mikey utexas true polonius sacrifice essential liberties temporary safety deserve liberty safety franklin 
guns backcountry organization university texas austin austin lines nntp posting host louie utexas reimer uiuc paul reimer writes automobile accidents atleast regulation combat drivers license drivers safety class licensed drive registered live liability insurance driving accident manditory saftey classes registration owner manditory liability insurance nice owners pointed measures required property license registered inspected insurance safety training classes operate vehicle premises make dubious analogy make accurate texas drive public proper credentials ordinary civilian carry legally public save life registration manadatory safety classes manadatory liability insurance federal repealing local state federal control laws abridge amendment discretionary federal weapons carry permit good united states wanted analogy mike ruff thine mikey utexas true polonius sacrifice essential liberties temporary safety deserve liberty safety franklin 
guns good riddance organization university texas austin austin lines nntp posting host louie utexas ifas writes loosing loosing avoid spelling flames person make question lots question people aware rights threatened membership growing rate slowly gaining rightful voice biases prejudices veiled motives liberal media anti politicians vote considered abomination matter hard public opinion rkba base highly skewed poll conducted news group faked pickup explosions make news finish clinton administration rkba null void tough titty true face greater obstacles rights betrayed lying politicians swear oath protect constitution enemies foreign domestic people lies deceits discover ways make firearms number cases firearms abuses ruined live sword criminals live murder honest abiding citizens fear count evidently ignorance number firearms defenses spell ultimate victory press public voting public flow history flow history founding fathers managed successfully form real free republic face planet republic model follow press selfish motivations people realize depths deceit spread media nullify directed power people surrender arms officers collect resistance useless overwhelm time neighbors threat abstract criminal submit illegal unconstitutional police state uphold constitution defend country tyrannical government fucking violent solutions passe avoid situations encourage criminals safe sacrificial sheep seeks control life unarmed target surest encouraging criminals avoid safe answer violence option exists surely answer mike ruff thine mikey utexas true polonius sacrifice essential liberties temporary safety deserve liberty safety franklin 
amendment dead good organization university texas austin austin lines nntp posting host louie utexas ifas writes millions cases firearms deter criminals alas provable cases wrong proof bulk firarems unworthy unnesessary opponents posessa cool jakcet argue parking space woman short trivial worthless snake vast majority million firearms country anger feelings notwithstanding ruined recovery future federal martials arms dangerous thinking criminal fault overcome kind blind headed utterly stupid idiocy spout vain attempt agendas make truth efforts contrary amendment dead accept find amendment dead repealed happen accept find control lives fooled mike ruff thine mikey utexas true polonius sacrifice essential liberties temporary safety deserve liberty safety franklin 
friends neil smith organization nasa lewis research center cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host hooch lerc nasa papresco math uwaterloo paul prescod writes guns fewer people statistical evidence back claim requires limitation citizenry freedom steve podleski phone nasa lewis research center cleveland ohio email pspod lerc nasa 
batf murders waco today organization university houston administrative computing lines distribution world nntp posting host uhad admin news reader news reply handheld message handheld writes article roby udel scott roby writes balance reaction question authority independent facts video adopt scenario simplest plausible generally conspiracy theories involve complicated scenarios answer question permitted talk koresh koresh lawyer deguin spoke person times weeks denied left fire yesterday strikes ingenous note happened tend place responsibility group person committing whon forced extreme british northern ireland forced place bombs shopping centers story totally unecessary utterly fucked mess semper jammer miller texas university speak student billing system student billing system power finds stand stand ordinary emmet moore mike levine triumph 
letter president nntp posting host sora organization allen bradley company lines copy letter mailing slickster address william clinton president united states america president writing express utter outrage conduct government agencies tragedy waco demand dismissal resignation lloyd bensen secretary treasury bears responsibility initial helicopter grenade attack branch davidians janet reno authorized final assault commemorating warsaw ghetto revolt make watch respectfully kenneth whitehead involved gang republic back government side waco story allowed hear survivors censored people cover press complained loudly front lines gulf obedient dogs waco kind makes called freedom press highly overrated whitehead 
insane toting wackos unite organization computer science department stanford university distribution lines article crrob sdrc davis writes deaths year caused inflicted shot wounds people wearing thigh holsters breakdowns accidental shootings specifically info davis insists love cite fall land handgun sudden blow discharge wrong design happen supposed carried hammer unloaded chamber cocking turns cylinder loaded cylinder hammer words usefully carried safe manner handgun designs property trigger pulled hammer firing number people killed manner outweighs number deaths caused animal attacks wacko attacks combined breakdowns include category safely davis claims large negative number people killed animals number killings wackos large number accidents failures superset circumstance find figures include cite context make source excludes types accidents suicides misreported cleaning accident police speak family insurance money andy 
proper control proper control organization distribution lines recorded survivor shot heart lady killed attacker chased shots fired shot struck perp atta bullet entered downward angle apex heart diaphragm clipped liver destroyed spleen exited back leaving tennis ball sized hole died times operating table hospital days back full duty months duty time wearing vest home happened civilians rights sigh police special worthy defense start putting police start demanding police police duty ordinary disarmed helpless chumps civilians prohibit arms carrying police duty make assertion maintain make regulation carry unloaded firearm home fair helpless poor schmuck coming home computer operator director jose leroy pyle states latest swat magazine anti cops watch schism rkba folks police asks rhetorical question left lobby starts demanding disarmament police guess anti cops armed wealthy politically connected made realize screwing ways imagine 
pill deer hunting organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host rocket stratus article ifas writes missed news world report excerpt posted fairly consistant polls finding approximately households firearm majority firearms claim vast majority threaten defense incidents year count lucky unlucky rapist pulls woman alley boston chances counted defenders local constabulary important allowed shotgun owns home makes show owner column case means average threat level country ironic words lives florida average threat level florida reduced liberal policy local thugs target tourists precisely carrying natives boston washington diddlysquat average threat level country means resident weapons brain alternative means protection involved hardware good neighborhoods good person armed teeth attitude cooperation good neighborhoods residents make aware neighbors notice strangers lurking good neighborhoods form groups crime watch increase effect relative effectiveness police hostiles arrested good neighbors step officer robbing jones house works lands good neighbors dance card wave drive told story gangs moving phoenix misplaced original text story started resident calling cops gang member nights drive performed resident house time unlike entire street returned fire putting occupants gang packed left place florida hurricane problem find officer step short alternative firepower gangs benificent manifestation social cooperative replace lead flesh flesh makes conversationalist invite block party arguing fire extinguisher home careless tossing burnt matches carpet live carefully monitor woodstove flue cleaned year test smoke alarms annually fire start late things extinguisher legality legitimacy matter government charter makes rule government violates violated basis existance enforcement matter solely force arms oliver north positively worshiped american conservative quarters secret government sorts severely illegal deeds kind stuff twenty life walks free time fact cares anymore legitimacy issue legality issue long bones rats agreeing opponent trust government protect abusers violators white collar blue collar epauletted tank shirted ultimately power enforce rights power claimed interested statistical aspects argument pure emotion abortion issue people category true uninterested facts case ownership conditioned content underestimate electorate raise consciousness argue founded million strong campaign years reaching goal understanding reached stratagem including wide classes people dues paying members speak authoritatively details started running million strong campaign slip unannounced obscurity clear simply reach level membership commencement dodd hearings starting point modern control movement mere members barely murmurs future registration million today million members making largest membership organization country aarp membership growing faster previous time historical figures kukla control people middle debate bemused bones leaves hard core owners hard core banners number members recently members heard single firearms related mindless mayhem related availibility firearms scarce expensive psychology hold settle trivial complaints hammer nails give citation showing utilization significant anecdotal level waiting stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
clinton national card ussr style internal passport organization computer science department stanford university lines article writes parts secure criminal records convictions typically considered public information info secure remember population includes parents checking prospective childcare worker details access medical information giving information medical info body attached completely useless treatment article mentioned earlier post debit card type transaction store bank knew withdrawing money making secure cash purposes secure parent checking babysitter access information stored card prospective sitter nasty habit molesting kids months references long picked remember criminal conviction info public argue card people strong argument disclose public info things choose unknown making useless negative information doctors access medical information police criminal records yeah doctors spilling beans cops disclosing info info typically supposed public read article article discusses technology policy fails deal folks secrets blab andy 
american express card organization control data distribution lines article vincent gatech vincent writes jason kratz writes deleted fully automatic weapons armed happening situation totally blown proportion post referring regular patrolman cruising city gang members police access things mentioned tanks time point make lunch cops coming majority carrying revolvers wrong revolver gang member couple automatics coat semi auto handguns disadvantage training shooting range gang gang members practicing shooting practicing taking guns quick shooting target badly university cops state cops armed chicago police state cops city suburban police officer twin cities years carried semi auto type brands glock regard discussion dangerously usual rantings close realm cents worth wrong revolver large frame magnum favorite valid advantages semi autos suggest reading massad ayoob people stand full bull general material valid book semi auto pistol police work defines number ways semi auto good main advantage increased firepower accurate followup shots single action mode propriatory nature takes familiarity learn diminished time criminals familiar models semi autos cited stopping slowing criminals grabbed police officers define armed shoot revolver semi auto colt fires faster nope faster rate fire desirable makes duck cover hitting thompson hose mode military limiting round burst fire simple semi auto troops able rock roll wasteful ammo short supply enemy plentiful revolver equally capable semi auto caliber revolver advantage misfires pull trigger double action revolver hand cocked fire pulling trigger hand hold single hand pull target cock fire double action semi auto advantages shot misfire revolver means pull trigger rotate round meant point semi auto pull trigger dropping hammer round advantage revolver trigger pull round discussing point fine hangfire situation granted rare round confined cylinder place slingshotting slide misfire takes time revolver carried chamber empty hammer maximum safety drawn fired easy motion handed modern revolver designs incorporating hammer blocks recommended revolver fall hard angle break hammer driver firing round speedloaders revolver reloads fast magazines semi autos faster depending users speedloader users spring loaded speed loaders fast problem ejecting spent cases handed dropping expended magazine handed means inserting fresh magazine clears speed loader motions time advantage tactical reloads replacing partial magazine bring back full capacity partial magazine needed misfire semi auto require clear jammed shell time spent fatal vital lost realize jammed starting clearing time recognize problem important time clear revolver semi auto odds actual misfire factory ammo small semi auto exceptionally rare modern quality guns sigs glocks semi autos slide worked chamber round cock hammer police carry semi autos chamber loaded hammer cocked safety engaged safe trade safety speed employment revolver double action semi autos complexity operation requires training common semi auto carried round chamber safety problems statement applies looked semi revolver situation guns hammer firing blocks safety real advantage carrying cocked locked safety speed employment revolver advantage followup shots familiar semi autos admit initially skeptical carrying cocked locked examining design defeat safeties unloaded shooting inherent safety problems thumbreak holster strap hammer design speed accurate shot revolver police departments switched glocks started quietly switching officers back revolvers accidents partly poor training received glocks require rocket scientists cops baffled complex timer yeah infamous glock figure worse revolver safety pull trigger imagine revolver shooting double action pull glock trigger fire realized addition developed nasty habit keeping finger trigger holstering relying thumb hammer remind blew foot problems hammer criminals outgun police firearms turn cops hunter attention seek semi autos junk assuming jobs stupid revolver shotgun rack equipped short riot riot long small control hitting whip fire real fast find good controlled fire revolver beretta inferior carry weapon ruger security revolver aiming shots wrong somewheres backup capacity extra shots cases overwhelmingly shots fired criminal encounters poor beretta taurus inferior carry weapon springfield oops arguments relegated shooter combination failed ascribe failures fire real fast scenario mention shooter failure lack discipline lack training crooks overwhelmingly crime nice simple revolvers police police prefer heftier magnum popular crooks lead list semi auto rule street state patrol carry highway patrolman obplea flame prefer semi autos things introduce unneccessary complications nerve wracking abrupt encounter lone criminal vincent flame whoops worth imho check ayoob book planned perfect batf spokesperson failed raid attempt 
lethal alternatives handguns keywords handgun mace pepper spray taser tasp phaser lines nntp posting host skndiv dseg reply pyron dseg organization dseg support article holland colostate douglas craig holland writes guns lethal bullets rubber plastic bullets work stopping attack brits people killed rubber bullets controlled circumstances fired tear launcher smaller rubber bullets pellets shotguns understand intended discouragers snapping dangerous animal general capable stopping past fired muzzle velocity ball round intended load finally mother warned thing dillon pyron opinions expressed dseg lewisville support sender stated home texans vote robin hood pyron dseg solutions gestures padi 
high power assault guns lines nntp posting host skndiv dseg reply pyron dseg organization dseg support high power assault talking howitzer incher german railway guns dillon pyron opinions expressed dseg lewisville support sender stated home texans vote robin hood pyron dseg solutions gestures padi 
knock glock card lines nntp posting host skndiv dseg reply pyron dseg organization dseg support distribution article jason kratz writes article vincent gatech vincent points things considered familiar handguns police departments switched glocks started quietly switching officers back revolvers accidents partly poor training received glocks require rocket scientists cops baffled complex timer hell glock thing switched thing glock lack real safety thing trigger great safety ahem hrumph encurred wrath glock owners beat hammers oops difference safeties betweena glock revolver intellectually glock high revolver ignoring stove pipes misfeeds bonus exercises autoloaders give safe moment dangerous moment learn handle dangerous dillon pyron opinions expressed dseg lewisville support sender stated home texans vote robin hood pyron dseg solutions gestures padi 
newspapers censoring advertisements organization university california berkeley lines nntp posting host cchem berkeley originator gaucher cchem berkeley article peter nesbitt writes recently traders sporting goods store stocked firearms store discovered printed document distributed good folks work traders located leandro newspapers decided censor longer traders leandro years abiding honest citizens firearms sporting protection amendment bear arms copy thursday chronicle typical column traders page sports section part middle prominently wanted cash assault rifles pistols granted today paper surprised traders worth write chronicle papers anti editorials disgusting plug traders shopped area store lower prices selection amazing gaucher opinions gaucher cchem berkeley 
proper control proper control american express card reply bressler boeing message nntp posting host fanny wash organization intermetrics washington division lines iftccu talk politics guns hays intel kirk hays posters group guns dread terminator rifleman owned firearms years posting group worth firearms sort long time readers group dedicated rkba toys freedom dave barton wash inmet 
clinton national card ussr style internal passport lines organization university tennessee division continuing education article andy stanford andy freeman writes article writes parts secure criminal records convictions typically considered public information info secure remember population includes parents checking prospective childcare worker parent checking babysitter access information stored card prospective sitter nasty habit molesting kids months references long picked remember criminal conviction info public argue card people strong argument disclose public info insight sort thing works local college newspaper crusade police release crime stats school claimed violate federal education records privacy laws swore interested student discipline records stats people make evaluation safe campus barely week crime stats released daily beacon editorial calling student disciplinary stats released complained segments campus population treated administratively turned police criminal states accurate people public today tomorrow david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
clinton national card ussr style internal passport organization reality liberation front pixels people lines writes point fully support privacy completely secure card useable bank transactions medical thing completely secure dealing high technology question cost cost bear protect information rewards break rewards breaking single system high swiss born laws brain funny bout peace love understanding nick lowe animal products tested animals time nature keeping happening 
boston back lines organization university tennessee division continuing education article miller writes urbin interlan mark urbin short thought question authorities sponsors buyback programs check stolen weapons answer total amnesty note firearm boston back cash money orders total amnesty leave paper trail latest case denver giving tickets denver nuggets basketball game traceable money order years money orders operate pretty checks parties supposed sign assume show back people money order made traceable practical matter depend bother computerize recipient money order bother keying sort thing police buyback people record gave money orders issue weapons checked stolen questions asked suppose brought number weapons time series back programs david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
firearms reply cmort christopher morton organization north coast public access cleveland distribution lines quoted rats morris firearms tend fall dollar pound area economic smuggle production local people skill motivation assemble worthwhile firearms scratch high ranking crime figures obtain imported uzis average person average thug lucky nose borne reality soviet union domestic handgun submachinegun trade guns commercial grade produced honest goodness machineshops production local road system envy world wanted proof nonsense build guns claim farther philippines amateur gunsmiths regularly produce automatics full auto shotguns claim philippines technologically superior transportation living fantasy world bunch educated york jewish aclu lawyers fighting eliminate school prayer public schools arkansas holly silva 
firearms nntp posting host gozer organization sigsauer club lines article ifas writes alcohol banned today difficult manage large scale smuggling operation cops rank narrow notch military communications intelligence gathering firepower proof assertion love explain smugglers rank notch military terms communications intelligence gathering fight officials bribe give hundred grand semi past firepower similar vein amount marijuana smuggled country greatly decreased pound compared cocaine heroin simply worth risk uneconomical reefer domestic pressure domestic producer showy raids notwithstanding economical note domestic reefer strong small volume long make alcohol stronger proof good dollar pound deal point arguing black market works firearms tend fall dollar pound area wrong quantify things smuggler concerned cubic foot show price crate good quality handguns economic smuggle production local people local skill motivation assemble worthwhile firearms scratch high ranking crime figures worthwhile firearm hell works copy army improvised munitions manual easy make functional firearm obtain imported uzis average person average thug lucky nose paying inconspicuous parts local mart nose drew betz idbsu brought terminal free state idaho outlaw rights outlaws rights spook fodder fema clinton gore insurrection semtex neptunium terrorist deuterium 
american express card organization computer science department stanford university distribution lines article jason kratz writes points things considered familiar handguns kratz hell glock thing switched thing glock lack real safety thing trigger great safety kratz understand safety supposed confuses things things exist glocks multiple safeties visible safety supposed user glocks pulling trigger safeties make work real safety matter kratz thinks andy 
proper control proper control american express card organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article wash inmet david barton writes worth firearms sort long time readers group dedicated rkba long time reader staunch rkba supporter firearms toys freedom amen brother nicholas sylvain sylvain nicholas sylvain sylvain 
proper control proper control american express card nntp posting host taos organization intel supercomputer systems division lines article bressler boeing rick bressler writes iftccu talk politics guns hays intel kirk hays posters group guns dread terminator rifleman owned firearms years posting group good point kirk responded email couple posts gosh darn civil happed time firearm relationship turns people criminals start responsibility chance point error terminator began posting months purchased firearm private email produce archived posting earlier january purchased firearm march guess years back regularly scheduled flame fest kirk hays life seventh generation thing triumph evil good edmund burke 
firearms organization computer science department stanford university lines quoted ifas firearms tend fall dollar pound area economic smuggle depends profit differences cost production determine local smuggle local people skill motivation assemble worthwhile made semi autos full autos easier giggle estimate people high school failed shop people mechanical work starting population people motivated firearms scratch high ranking crime figures obtain imported uzis average person average thug lucky nose nose worth criminal dwarfed price demanded part relevant economic analysis made profit crime high price required push criminals market high motivated analysis improvements criminal market make cheaper efficiently loaner drive higher affecting criminal andy 
live distribution organization lines congress session establish obtain firearms security firearms defense family home provide enforcement house representatives march bartlett introduced bill referred committee judiciary bill establish obtain firearms security firearms defense family home provide enforcement enacted senate house representa tives united states america congress assembled section short title cited citizens defense obtain firearms security firearms defense family home enforcement establishment person hibited federal receiving firearm obtain firearms security fire arms defense family home firearm defined subsection term firearm means shotgun defined section title united states code rifle defined section title handgun defined section public enforcement general person subsection violated manner bring action united states district court united states state person damages injunctive relief relief court deems authority award reasonable torney action brought para graph court discretion prevailing party state reasonable attorney part costs statute limitations action brought subsection year period begins date violation discovered sounds good section effectively open federal court system folks afford adopt attorney fight city hall illegal hire attorneys contingency basis bums write representative sponsor write representative roscoe bartlett sponsor representative roscoe bartlett cannon house office building washington representative asked join sponsor contact owners america owners america forbes place springfield virginia committed lobby behalf realjob find reach representative bartlett campaign fund working toss bucks bippy targets election family friends club enjoy 
newspapers censoring advertisements organization computer science department stanford university lines newspaper censorship newspapers decided censor longer traders leandro years tired newspapers liquor galor refuse legitimate send letter editors indicating displeasure censorship doctrine list area newspapers censor send thoughts issue contra costa times mateo times francisco chronicle mission walnut creek mateo francisco fran independent fran examiner jose mercury news evans ridder park fran fran jose april issue chronicle page sporting green section trader advert copy screwed prices offered expire examiner chronicle adverts joint printing agreement differ editorial content recently merc anti editorially albeit traders competitors papers traders claim things changing journalists easier telling truth cares write bozos make bozos accusing andy 
guns backcountry organization cisco lines distribution world nntp posting host lager cisco originator pitargue article freenet john gever writes rambos worry rape murder wilderness carry guns time home hell danger backcountry carrying tool classify rambo pioneers west rambo adrienne reading group actual honest experience violent crime backcountry sort understand people protect bears dozen bear attacks people north america year worry raped buck toothed bubba overalls irrational safer videocassettes deliverance gathered burned tune change dozen bear attacks firearm firearm public health experts stolen family member actual criminal cite references note followup cite valid references show untruth rambo warriors heard undoubtedly exempt statistical reality smart responsible living city drive shooting couple days working medical center shooting victim coming skeptical ownership backcountry environment find people insist bringing urban environment boom boxes computers guns naked forget matches backpack sleeping rest modern convenience firearm tool people carry gaiters people firearms category personal choice factoid shooting victims count automobile accidents automobile crimes outlaw cars post flaming responses guns rabid gever marciano pitargue 
live organization national instruments austin lines distribution nntp posting host eagle natinst article meyers bill meyers writes establishment person hibited federal receiving firearm obtain firearms security fire arms defense family home federal government striped process thing care federal government stepping states rights state stepped constitution give feds power shut feds constitution prohibits localities infringing rkba case bill reiterate rkba guaranteed constitution feds action infringed chris bartz chrisb 
friends neil smith organization apple computer osbu cross platform software lines nntp posting host apple figure reliable means keeping guns people interfering good people problem methods trick manufacture sell import guns fewer people hunting weapons allowed long bulky require reloading shots times shoot animal assumes moving solution people trusted guns lock knock stop punishing good people 
american express nntp posting host liberator auburn reply bixledn auburn organization auburn university engineering lines article newshost stanford andy stanford andy freeman writes article jason kratz writes points things considered familiar handguns kratz hell glock thing switched thing glock lack real safety thing trigger great safety kratz understand safety supposed confuses things things exist glocks multiple safeties visible safety supposed user glocks pulling trigger safeties make work real safety matter kratz thinks andy agree read article written glock safest auto loader made safty jeff cooper rule finger trigger shoot observed fewer accidents david bixler auburn university standard disclaimers apply 
lethal alternatives handguns nntp posting host beethoven colostate organization colorado state university computer science department keywords handgun mace pepper spray taser tasp phaser lines article pyron dseg writes brits people killed rubber bullets controlled circumstances fired tear launcher smaller rubber bullets pellets shotguns understand intended discouragers snapping dangerous animal general capable stopping past fired muzzle velocity ball round intended load finally mother warned thing wondering real expert weapons wondering doug holland 
constitutionality organization atlas telecom disclaimer views expressed necessarily represent employer distribution lines reading make sence wondering provided paragraph unlawful person transfer possess machinegun dictionary found person artificial entity created government rights federal constitution understand statute enforced individual government possess passing make laws constitional court court mill guilty jail claimed possess told supreme court brian sheets truck truck support engineer atlas telecom raiders lost brians 
kills teenager nntp posting host beethoven colostate organization colorado state university computer science department keywords handgun mace pepper spray taser tasp phaser lines people cops responsible rest population found article rocky mountain collegian colorado state university newspaper suspended police officer arrested revenge triple homicide providence police officer afraid fired allegedly assaulting teen ager walked auto body shop wher youth worked fatally shot police fourth youth wounded escaped injury hiding wounded youth blocks house shooting midnight tuesday called police hospitalized satisfactory condition wednesday suspended police officer robert sabetta cranston arrested gunpoint hours shooting wilson auto enterprises foster rural town people northwest rhode island show cops capable snapping cops guns doug holland 
american express card organization computer science department stanford university distribution lines jason kratz writes happening situation totally blown proportion post referring regular patrolman cruising city gang members police access things mentioned tanks time point make lunch cops coming majority carrying revolvers trunk time heck dash funny thing attached quick release trunk numbers chicago philadelphia police cars carried multiple automatic weapons thousands rounds standard issue wrong revolver gang member couple automatics coat semi auto handguns disadvantage training nature disadvantage shoot rounds single opponent guaranteed backup gang member shoot extra rounds time difference matter shoot cops supposed throwing lead cops carry multiple guns supposed shooting range gang members practicing shooting gang members undercover cops abiding menacing minorities sneer quotes practicing taking guns quick shooting target badly extra rounds make difference issue andy 
american express card nntp posting host bronze indiana organization indiana university distribution lines article andy stanford andy freeman writes article jason kratz writes points things considered familiar handguns kratz gals jason stepped good admitting talking stunning anmar mirza chief tranquility opinions notiu ciansakgbfbi base lawrence legalize explosives assasinatedea tech politicians prefer naziplutonium networks tech mirza ranch unarmed peasants presidentfema 
pill deer hunting organization adobe systems incorporated lines article stratus tavares writes number members recently members heard single member years recently joined wanted paid minimum membership founding fathers approved encryption strong government break 
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knock glock card distribution lines article pyron dseg dillon pyron police departments switched glocks started quietly switching officers back revolvers accidents partly poor training received glocks require rocket scientists cops baffled complex timer hell glock thing switched thing glock lack real safety thing trigger great safety ahem hrumph encurred wrath glock owners beat hammers oops difference safeties betweena glock revolver intellectually glock high revolver ignoring stove pipes misfeeds bonus exercises autoloaders give safe moment dangerous moment learn handle dangerous dillon pyron opinions expressed dseg lewisville support sender stated home texans vote robin hood pyron dseg solutions gestures padi true read heard friends basically glock great heard read harder learn proper handling type safety glock couple weeks safties guns saftey safe lack word glock thing pull spend time fiddling turning safety personally glocks light cool guess movies semi auto safety prefer training traditional semi auto colt opinion jason 
american express card reply handheld arras message organization dept informatics university oslo norway lines originator thomasp hate long postings turned lengthy crime rate fell acquiring weapons norway kinds weapons norway permit good reason permit handgun licence police member club police check criminal records crimes records mental diseases licence active member club months collect drivers licence prove drive allowed guns crimes norway crimes commited guns owners arms long time exeption criminals accuire guns crimes short time befor crime knives allowed cary knifes public belt open americans carry open public rigth scandinavians aggressive northeners livered southeners decide action historian millitary knowledge europe german served norway individual masses individual important masses extent criminal laws protect individuals makes masses rigths individuals affects rights issue issue guns legislation weapons items serve lived amerika defend myselfe home wise sell guns candy states smart neccacery drivers licence free guns disclaim pacifist anti defend home loved country view guns neccities toys army service variaty weapons defence feel good signature marly computergenerated text waste bandwith bring evil internet thomas parsli thomasp 
silly outdated bill koresh miranda organization oakland university rochester michigan lines nntp posting host vela oakland scottj georgetown john scott writes issue tanks detroit fired main guns incorrect read resort falsehoods attempt make point risk boring belaboring point claim chain tanks detroit text claim tanks claimed fired main guns suppress sniper fire effective coffman claimed apcs told fire main guns continue back claim defend disputing poster responded dispute tanks post rude call gary coffman main entire point admit wrong entire point claim heard witness descriptions tanks main guns respond sniper fire effectively wrong heard descriptions paying attention mentioned tanks eyes main firing account heard helps people judge kick words bullshit filters stating claimed falsehood claimed fact entire post tanks black ghettos detroit correction tanks detroit covered news time gordon lightfoot mentions song black july dispute claim means read tanks firing main guns detroit riots simply event place common knowledge years american military firing shells tanks american cities blacks news suppose folks happened awesley read troops grenade launchers fire fragmentary grenades doubt fire concussion grenades fire tear perfectly fired frags makes claim plausible john strawman techniques feel losing stretch knock read fired side scoring boring tanks fired main guns detroit people screaming past half decades glad expert nice hear authority basis knowledge happened authority people scream alleged massive cover number people killed detroit riot claimed dead offical number concise columbia encyclopedia heard things dare repeat assert claimed truth claim national guard managed cover taking tour riots pretty easy difference army guard troops recall years recall army running tanks army cover part memories damaged building burnt rubble based remember inclined sarge mind open good prefer live reality reality find hard tanks shells fired level destruction detroit fire guns bored shit bothered read managed account cited john scott 
american express card distribution lines article andy stanford andy freeman article jason kratz points things considered familiar handguns kratz hell glock thing switched thing glock lack real safety thing trigger great safety kratz understand safety supposed confuses things things exist glocks multiple safeties visible excuse safety supposed basic purpose fire ready christ crosman make assumptions glock multiple safties reports shop friends safety supposed user glocks pulling trigger safeties make work real safety matter kratz thinks andy things read heard glocks knocked trigger safety supposedly harder learn properly article read wrong damn thing quote sources magazines guns articles laying make simple statement problems world takes reply stuff anymore made good point discussion close jason 
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knock glock card organization university wisconsin milwaukee lines distribution nntp posting host article jason kratz writes true read heard friends basically glock great heard read harder learn proper handling type safety glock couple weeks safties guns saftey safe lack word glock thing pull spend time fiddling turning safety personally glocks light cool guess movies semi auto safety prefer training traditional semi auto colt opinion jason risk starting flame disagree secret handling glock fact chosen merits shoots revolver basically limit training time read budget fact external safties trigger training time required smith wesson types chosen fact taht external safties hammer drop drop properly saved lives snatched officer shoot officer safe fire point made articles magazines fact author remember staged test revolver safe laying table asked people firearms experience signal grab shoot target timed people revolver times pretty close times minutes person gave figure saftey colt autos issued light trigger accidentally fired stress situation opening issuing city county lawsuits press problem overcome training training budget crunched departments chance safety guarantee figure shoot time draw shoot late biassed glocks possession time fact handgun remember ultimate safety operator safety stop negligent discharge note accidental break rules handling part light weight cool agree rule purchase steve syck syck 
insane toting wackos unite organization univ north carolina wilmington distribution lines worries carry pistol empty chamber safety chances lite stove couple minutes fire kill makes stronger spoken hikers kilo delta zulu papa uniform 
proper control proper control distribution organization apple computer osbu cross platform software lines nntp posting host apple article rats morris writes prohibit arms carrying police duty make assertion maintain make regulation carry unloaded firearm home fair helpless poor schmuck coming home computer operator director jose leroy pyle states latest swat magazine anti cops watch schism rkba folks police asks rhetorical question left lobby starts demanding disarmament police guess anti cops armed wealthy politically connected made realize screwing ways imagine happen police wings government considered important citizens government pens pencils paper considered important citizens problem government 
american express card organization university tennessee division continuing education lines article thomas parsli writes crime rate fell questions relevant numbers note indication correct drop occured relevant acquiring weapons norway kinds weapons norway permit good reason permit handgun licence police member club primary objection based ideal rkba simply government makes guns play thing tool rich connected discriminates poor defense considered conditions allowed instance protection carrying large money regular basis threatened police check criminal records crimes records mental diseases suggested generally supported owners object proposals sort gotcha clause arbitrary denial qualify licence active member club months collect drivers licence prove drive allowed point pointed general driver licence part european counterpart understand difficult joke usual objection discussing things instance driver license permit operate motor vehicle public road operate private property ability require driving permits generally considered arise government legitimate power enact reasonable regulations behavior public lands permit automobile instance closer analogy harder thing past legally based making regulations public property restricting activity private property guns crimes norway crimes commited guns owners arms long time exeption criminals accuire guns crimes short time befor crime knives allowed cary knifes public belt open americans carry open public rigth varies widely thing europeans difficult time fifty unique jurisdictions laws state radically country europe places open carry guns knives concealed prohibit state local restriciton individual masses individual important masses extent criminal laws protect individuals makes masses rigths individuals affects rights question asked individual affecting rights individual rights group meaning individuals group defined people guns adversely affecting rights group instance attack steve point essentially discussing becuase person qualifies member group people guns person time zone told member group taking rights punish newspapers libel commited issue issue guns legislation issue crime violence murder question extent guns legislation impact weapons items serve lived amerika defend myselfe home nice fear people twisted minds hurt option expect wise sell guns candy states state case limit state enforce wisdom freedom general unwise concept emptively restrict unwise freedom meaningless concept smart neccacery drivers licence free guns raise hand driver licenses implemented waste time revanue generation state startling number drivers guarantee level skill higher road killed knowledge traffic laws year picked riding parents mentioned things david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
live organization stratus computer lines distribution nntp posting host rocket stratus article meyers bill meyers writes bill establish obtain firearms security firearms defense family home provide enforcement religious bill establish wince mind giveth taketh stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
constitutionality organization stratus computer lines distribution nntp posting host rocket stratus article brians brian sheets writes reading make sence wondering provided paragraph unlawful person transfer possess machinegun dictionary found person artificial entity created government rights federal constitution understand statute enforced individual government possess passing make figure laws constitional court unconstitutional confers rights imposes duties affords protection creates office legal contemplation inoperative passed norton shelby county general rule unconstitutional statute form reality wholly void ineffective purpose unconstitutionality dates time enactment date decision branding bound obey uncontitutional courts bound enforce late court mill guilty jail claimed possess told supreme court automatic weapons supreme court heard case stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
clu policies originator vojak stortek nntp posting host icebucket stortek organization storage technology corp distribution lines aclu official policies policy opposes rating systems motion pictures industry sponsored ratings systems create potential constraining creative process contracting marketplace ideas stated goal providing guidance parents experience shown ratings inevitably chilling effects freedom expression pledge allegiance aclu states policy insertion words pledge allegiance violation constitutional principle separation church state policy states military conscription circumstances violation civil liberties constitutional guarantees aclu objects draft wartime anti democratic power government wage support people policy states aclu calls broad based inquiry crimes widest definition crimes humanity crimes peace focusing actions united states military combatants people south vietnam laos cambodia north vietnam policy states aclu recognizes government reliance nuclear weaponry dominant element foreign domestic policy propounded defense democracy fact great threat civil liberties decades adherence policy fundamentally altered nature constitutional democratic process poses paramount threat civil liberties policy objects roadblocks drivers stopped sobriety tests violate fourth amendment principles policy states criminal sentencing correctional approach reintegrating offender community goals reintegration furthered readily working offender community incarceration probation authorized legislature case exceptions principle favored exceptions made limited offenses murder treason bill vojak vojak stortek colorado firearms coalition nightly propaganda nightly propaganda biased 
news release originator vojak stortek nntp posting host icebucket stortek organization storage technology corp lines washington update desk past months clinton administration stymied mixed signals coming economy leading indicators shown apparent improvement economy improvement area jobs creation unemployment figures stalled mark month effort understand problem president clinton appointed blue ribbon panel resolve apparent conflicting economic signals panel chaired vice president gore today panel released results providing shocking conclusion guns vice president gore apparently members nuts purchasing firearms record numbers pulling economy recession buying times faster stockpiling left vice president domestic firearm ammunition manufacturers experiencing hard times past years including declarations bankruptcy leading american makers rushed increase hiring meet demand continue hiring people president colt industries long clinton office suspect added response information president clinton announced control measure introduced congress session called month control bill terms make model firearms written individual index cards cards president draw card month sixty days banned manufacture importation sale country politically connected members national police force president benefit america ways month announced thirty days nuts thousands boosting economy addition long icky evil guns street announce appointment sarah brady oversee program citing honesty unbiased view subject control senators metzenbaum deconcini feinstein boxer proposed amendment bill additional index cards caliber designations ammunitions stockpiling stockpiling stockpiling screamed metzenbaum press conference national headquarters handgun control senators simon metzenbaum moyenhan introduced amendment make guns illegal possess card drawn senator simon quoted fuck kick morning press conference held floor mens restroom senate building referring fact people purchase guns economy require batf seize guns america year cards drawn head batf responded thing waco busy seize guns house representatives schroeder david skaggs colorado declared proposed reasonable control affect anybodys constitutional sporting guns article humor impaired bill vojak vojak stortek colorado firearms coalition nightly propaganda nightly propaganda biased 
gritz liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian organization mcsnet contributor chicago lines nntp posting host localhost article freenet john redelfs writes aware control verbatim translation nazi control passed shortly holocaust paranoid questions pray unchecked democracies dictatorship remember germany democracy hitler rose power absolutely happen today speak organizations cited society government relentless movement world government fact media demeans charished values patriotism nationalism protectionism clues fact sapping economic strength americans prop possibly future enemy fact words community nations global village international business vogue international corporations destroying identy economy propaganda playing media government powering ability resist porous border people trade indiciation lost great deal sovergnty bottome line single evil aspect world government history proven disaster beware liberal conservative moderate 
american express card organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host rocket stratus article thomas parsli writes handgun licence police member club police check criminal records crimes records mental diseases licence active member club months collect months active town similar requirement stupid handgun active member club active chief owners feel check criminal records crimes mental disorders good thing abused government time proposed trapdoor government deny purchase perfectly qualified oppose drivers licence prove drive allowed fatal accident rate licensed automobile drivers times fatal accident rate largely unlicensed owners analogy problem criminal guns accidents criminal guns year accidents spend energy making criminal shoot check owners feel positively requiring safety courses abused government state hold courses fund holds year limited attendence political connections fair criminals accuire guns crimes short time befor crime acquire guns legal retail outlets borrowed stolen smuggled bought black market knives allowed cary knifes public belt open americans carry open public rigth states open carry concealed carry require licenses concealed carry modes clear advantage terms reducing crime public good state legislators someplace wrong thing means objective reasons laws preferences govern scandinavians aggressive northeners livered southeners decide action livered love expression headed individual masses individual important masses extent criminal laws protect individuals makes masses rigths individuals affects rights typically criminals affect rights people criminals government offices rest criminals affect rights people time commission crime possession hurts violent crime occurs crime felon felon possess feel treat common citizens lived good lives felons waiting commit crimes weapons items serve understand sentence lived amerika defend myselfe home life fair fire extinguisher flood theft insurance lock doors house pining world address live wise sell guns candy states smart neccacery drivers licence free guns frankly good driver license people drive safely people drive drunk drive good tool protects life rank life north travel freely pacifist anti defend home loved country view guns neccities toys army service variaty weapons defence feel good question guns personally people forced problem problem prevented owning stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
long hearings massachusetts april organization stratus computer lines distribution nntp posting host rocket stratus authored report owners action league state rifle association started rally secluded courtyard statehouse sparse people speaker began people loudspeakers lost filled area proud mike yacino goal spoke throwaway lines remind holders carry permits checked certified clear crimes state people statehouse certified clean election fraud hold jobs nancy snow amos hamburger busy handing buttons sheets describing bills presented hearings telling people find representatives cases mike warned committee suspend rules discuss bill made official list delegation students simon rock bard college alma mater wayne shot place late year bussed testify bill sales firearms ammo state resident hearings originally scheduled large gardner auditorium empted governor hearings framingham women prison killing abusive husbands seeking release buttonhole representatives squashed inadequate hearing room representatives staffers offensively smarmy hearings lobby organized year pissed replied lobby district reporter arrived time notice demonstration front statehouse gunners weren randy price news mirror reflective shades talking anti types simon rock anti close loophole protestors earlier randy covered goal rally room assigned seated remember owners students teachers bard reserved seat closer atrium crowd station entrance prevented rest crowd coming debate started loudspeaker hall benefit inside sign sheet position bills signed support goal position bills time constraints public officials testify bill students curfew guess massachusetts resident purchase long guns ammo local dealer provided complies laws state previously similar applied residents states adjoining massachusetts simon rock folks called current loophole wanted closed reps spoke wayne assault rifle hodgekiss sponsor homework confusing montana wayne home state missouri belligerent owners gallery corrected muff carr gloucester claimed bill back lying bill purchases residents adjoining states licensing state strong massachusetts things offensive states long breathing oo good laws massachusetts states adopt type laws situation naughty naughty boston city councilman albert dapper neill testify ways liability elderly wander repeat caricature order politician badmouthed aclu violent criminals executed judge give arrestees rights intended spot owners applauded bothered proposed restrictions step direction criminals times bills consideration police rescind confiscate guns filed restraining order note filing restraining order requires warrant hearing evidence conviction accusation senator barrett reading testified favor patronized gunners times owners agree weapons hands people courts convicted disgustingly disingenuous performance nixon whined crook barrett spoke favor bill making card renewable years permanent stated purpose remove cards ineligible revenue yeah apparently congressmen stupid swallow argument preferable process million renewals cycle vague hope catching recent felon simply goddamn card criminal conviction time usual hassle abiding crook chairs committee caron jujuga jujuga sponsor restraining order bills caron struck sharp logic lies part side unchallenged sponsor restraining order bills younger reps committee forgot vociferously embarrassingly heart place arguments confined year damn thing crap nice friend committee effective clear hall continue meeting hall yelled loudspeaker disturbing meeting loudspeaker disconnected found bigger hall upstairs leave catch charter missed public testimony seat time caron began talking years left state returned notifying address change complained state record system date back city birth thought lived great quote purchase today state computer system argument renewable card testimony heard battered women attacked card thereabouts emotion scared staffer attorney general harshbarger testified favor anti bill restraining orders granted year women needed protected caron noted restraining order granted days hearing held determine order extended year asked satisfied revoked time hearing initial issuance gave long rambling circumlocution response testimony bill heard mike yacino einstein made point restraining orders issued evidence judges issue restraining orders things cool matter woman hearings restraining orders lightning sessions time facts atty karen mcnutt spoke times testimony gunners testify file restraining order tenant clear countered filing noted allowed state confiscate guns bill junior reps noted america individual rights respected senator jujuga reiterated people abuse smaller people hell care careful equating conviction restraining order point match senator gunner testified citizenship expired years driver license privilege bear arms problem criminal justice system argued favor death penalty bill public hangings senator jujuga death penalty bill passed joking responded favored public hangings speaker responded make deal rope noose public testimony simon rock bill teacher testified teacher wayne able shoot people inside building evil loophole closed prevent happening kids testified favor bill spilling tears good legislators students shot wayne shirts long person anger safe support control committee reluctant grill correct kids caron corrected student claimed apply residents idea conned testifying bill staters completely yacino mcnutt spoke time noting bill written affect ammo guns possessed staters karen noted hunters year wandered boundary woods challenged game wardens yacino underscored fact resident student hell criminal mental record junior upset residents longer staters thought elitist caron protection preventing residents buying states union type cards complying laws home state speaker replied resembled mother watching marching band exclaiming step johnny bard college people filing testimony bill made gunners bills consideration main bills remaining goal position notify police chiefs pull licenses holder convicted strongly supported require trigger locks handguns sold opposed require trigger locks loaded firearms strongly opposed municipality enact laws opposed fund bullet proof vests municipal police supported state constitutional amendment rkba supported police discretion issuance cards opposed altering resident license conditions supported damn guns state guess seconds remaining gunners raised hands unison mike yacino noted danger screwing trigger lock loaded bill make illegal licensee carry concealed handgun locked caron blew opposed brought state archaic records capability create hundreds licensing systems session late scheduled hearing adjourned wanted testified ended stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
live organization california institute technology pasadena lines distribution nntp posting host sandman caltech stratus tavares writes article meyers bill meyers writes bill establish obtain firearms security firearms defense family home provide enforcement religious bill establish wince mind giveth taketh stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet objection bounds rationality mentioned bill established amendment bill reworded reaffirm amendment rkba establish procedures redress federal court system exists embodied constitution aaron caltech 
clinton national card ussr style internal passport nntp posting host ucsu colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article slack david slack writes idea card bull curious plan making requirement required presented medical determined blue cross medical coverage federal employees good model future national system emergency medical care insured carry blue cross card entering hospital notify blue cross refuse bills emergency treated notifying inform hours unable medical reasons hospital failing hours means cover hospitalization card notify card hospital required carry card times emergency medical coverage frank crary boulder 
news release nntp posting host blanca lance colostate organization colorado state university fort collins lines cathy smith posting neil smith dear bill good made post neil smith opinions 
american express card distribution lines article andy stanford andy freeman shooting range gang members practicing shooting gang members undercover cops abiding menacing minorities sneer quotes area shop shooting range border west side chicago gang infested area things area friends live close area problems folks minorities minorities gangs quotes concerned totally obvious practicing marksmanship practice marksmanship taking coat fast start shooting andy obvious live gang bangers live long pretty easy spot gang colors gang signs thing sister social worker makes point find things gang signs colors interest nice things watch live border west side city jason 
firearms lines article chiu nosc francis chiu writes note lighter side noticed banners friends included make comments resort violent banning guns shooting feel resort violence hard time believing react david olson george stephanopolous 
pill deer hunting lines article ifas writes vast majority life display firearm society experience safer guns include defense hunting target shooting collecting notion vast majority people display firearm contention true point ting guns david olson george stephanopolous 
newspapers censoring advertisements organization berkeley lines nntp posting host koala berkeley traders claiming appears oakland tribune censored past likewise francisco chronicle francisco examiner specifically year thursdays traders chron graphics representing handgun sale text list trib graphic handgun examiner traders past year oakland politicians made noise measures fight crime trib stopped taking traders started publishing handgun graphic stopped started trib sold months traders interludes traders employee told trib refused usual chron thursday today graphics representing rifles safes usual joan 
insane toting wackos unite nntp posting host ucsu colorado organization university colorado boulder distribution lines deaths year caused inflicted shot wounds people wearing thigh holsters roughly fatal firearms related accidents year large majority involve rifles shotgun fatal handgun accidents year doubt occur pistol holstered number inflicted gunshot wounds people wearing thigh holsters year fall land handgun sudden blow discharge handguns designs included hammer block earlier metal part physically seperates cartridge firing impact fire hammer block connected trigger pulled trigger pulled result modern pistols fire trigger pulled cases cocked hand dropped number people killed manner outweighs number deaths caused animal attacks wacko attacks combined animal attacks murders year manner suggest murders killings wacko wrong worse rapes aggravated assaults year numbers make violent attacks preventing thousands times significant accidents worried figures uniform crime report stop library tomorrow national crime victimization survey specific crimes occured frank crary boulder 
deconcini years today organization ideology busters distribution lines dennis deconcini similar areas bureau violated dictates common sense intended prevent secret lawmaking administrative bodies practices amply documented hearings committee leave doubt bureau disregarded rights guaranteed constitution laws united states trampled amendment chilling exercise bear arms abiding citizens offended fourth amendment unreasonably search seizing private property amendment taking private property compensation entrapping honest citizens regard process rebuttal presented subcommittee bureau utterly unconvincing richard davis speaking behalf treasury department asserted vaguely bureau priorities aimed prosecuting willful violators felons ille gally possession confiscating guns crime asserted bureau recently made great strides achieving priorities documen tation offered assertions hearings batf appropriations subcommittee expert evidence submitted establishing approximately percent batf prosecutions aimed ordinary citizens criminal intent knowledge enticed agents unknowning technical violations exerpt congress session committee print report subcommittee constitution committee judiciary united states senate ninety seventh congress session february printed committee judiciary government printing office washington letter constituent april contacting bureau alcohol tobacco firearms federal enforcement agency jurisdiction firearms violations regulations experience chairman appropriations subcommittee treasury postal service general government funds competent highly professional enforcement agencies federal government agents proven successful legal operations curb unlawful possession firearms area drug related crimes enforces armed career criminal calls mandatory minimum sentences repeat felons firearms carry illegal activity bureau made component preventing gang related violence educating risk youth dangers gang membership depriving gangs access weapons waco texas case involved execution search warrants branch davidians illegal firearms explosives possession automatics semi automatics machine guns addition bombs explosives virtually case asked trace weapons national firearms tracing center dealer federal firearms license information federal governments firearms expert routinely works state local police execute warrants working state local enforcement texas attorneys office felt execute warrants order legally establish crime committed conclude long investigation illegal explosives held members branch davidians addition carefully selected sunday morning knowing source inside separated women children area illegal weapons stored aware vernon howell david koresh spiritual leader branch davidians tipped impending execution search warrants lost element surprise cult able prepare atfs entry compound hostage situation presented asked involved skilled hostage negotiations addition military tanks brought nature situation firepower branch davidians based learned role branch davidian raid agency acted responsibly deeply saddened loss lives enforcement agents attempted enter compound civilian members cult fully expect department treasury conduct evaluation representatives enforcement department headed assistant secretary enforcement addition conduct review waco operation forward reviewing findings evaluators hope situation waco brought quick peaceful conclusion sincerely dennis deconcini chairman subcommittee treasury postal service general government april larry cipriani cipriani 
crimestrike alert texas organization ideology busters distribution keywords crime strike lines fellow texans members crime strike texas crime strike texas loosely knit coalition victims rights groups texas write letter protesting release murderer letter written raven kazen victims services board pardons paroles capital station austin texas letter written paper agreed meetings represents coalition parts heart ache left blood spilled criminals letter filed folder criminal waiting parole list criminals today parole protest october mark steven hughes rendered numerous blows head james allen pompa month james coma died days july mark steven hughes pled guilty injury child received year sentence texas mark eligible parole january months sentenced join strongly protesting release prison mark steven hughes beat baby death mark steven hughes beat death baby russel pompa reference mark steven hughes mark envelope protest letter front back typical letter page irvin wilson volunteer crime strike texas date april raven kazen victims services board pardons paroles capital station austin texas protest parole mark steven hughes murdered james russel pompa prison full sentence released time prior full sentence reason irvin wilson houston texas larry cipriani cipriani 
ohio legislative alert organization ideology busters distribution keywords otto beatty lines ohio house representative tueday april representative beatty ammend section enact revised code expand defintion dangerous ordinance include military weapons bolt action increase penalty violation prohibtion possesion dangerous ordinance prohibit person acquiring military weapon seffective date require licensure military weapons acquired proper purpose prior effective date prohibit person importing manufacturing selling military weapon declare emergency monday april assigned committee introduced emergency measure passes chance reforendum effect immediately opposed state requirement days effect larry cipriani cipriani 
ohio legislative alert organization ideology busters distribution keywords mourning dove hunting season lines ohio house representative thursday april representatives seese davis batchelder amstutz johnson vyven wachtmann white donato boggs logan amend section revised code mourning dove game bird list permit chief division wildlife department natural resources regulate hunting mourning doves make appropriation hunting mourning doves ohio give sportsman pushing larry cipriani cipriani 
gritz liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian lines note gritz populist party ticket david duke veep found duke leading ticket withdrew candidacy gritz gave chance vice president aviod supporting duke 
insane toting wackos unite lines organization university tennessee division continuing education distribution article fcrary colorado frank crary writes deaths year caused inflicted shot wounds people wearing thigh holsters roughly fatal firearms related accidents year large majority involve rifles shotgun fatal handgun accidents year doubt occur pistol holstered number inflicted gunshot wounds people wearing thigh holsters year doctor firearms tech expert holstered points accidental injuries inflicted lethal david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
control nntp posting host fishlab organization server fallen newsreader version lines article jrutledg ulowell john lawrence rutledge wrote article caltech aaron clements writes amendment guarantee bear arms unequivocally infringement amendment clear state part problem part single sentence makes amendment amendment regulated militia security militia free state people bear state arms infringed arms capitalization correct reading usca constitution correct version constitution mention regulated militia confuses federalist paper regulated militia defined structure nationally uniform regulations read federalist papers james madison federalist paper advantage armed americans possess people nation existence subordinate governments people attached militia officers appointed forms barrier enterprises ambition insurmountable simple government form admit notwithstanding military establishments kingdoms europe carried public resources bear governments afraid trust people arms james madison annals congress june people bear arms infringed regulated militia composed body people trained arms natural defense free country alexander hamilton federalist paper organization militia aimed respect people large properly armed equipped order neglected assemble year alexander hamilton federalist paper speaking standing armies circumstances time oblige government form army magnitude army formidable liberties people large body citizens inferior discipline arms stand ready defend rights fellow citizens surely hamilton madison people people amendment refers militia average year male fall definition militia consists able bodied males females current interpretation members militia advocate refers members organized militia directly amendment refer organized regulated targets examine check regulated mentioned amendment amendment wanted member militia bear arms specificly mention organized militia sentence bear arms correct reserved people insure people form regulated militia organized militia argued part sentence separate part include atomic unit written atomic units argument moron separate sentence question read federalist papers james madison federalist paper general welfare clause natural common general phrase explain qualify recital particulars madison grammatical style wrote amendment implies arms security free state federalist paper mention regulated militia examples militia protects security free state examples actions organized force john public read federalist papers amendment states people form regulated militias infringed people join organized militia organized militia provide training arms basic military tactics training members militia bear arms read show document organized militia lastly reading federalist paper organized militia clear reasons militias reason stated protection standing army days standing army easily defeat group consisting year male female armied forces person allowed weapon armed forces reason stated organized militias reduced standing army armied forces standing army half history major reason protect army reason amendment give people protection government guaranteeing people government anachronism time amend constitution appropriately abraham lincoln inaugural address march country institutions belongs people inhabit grow weary existing government exercise constitutional amending revolutionary dismember overthrow elbridge gerry massachusetts spoken floor debate amendment annals congress august militia prevent establishment standing army bane liberty governments invade rights liberties people attempt destroy militia order raise army ruins category rutledge means destroy liberties rights charles scripter cescript dept physics michigan tech houghton government great things drawn washington centre power render powerless checks provided government venal oppressive government separated thomas jefferson 
nuclear heavy weapons militia long organization iowa state university ames lines fcrary colorado frank crary writes lines making progress ironic note deleted lines emacs continually gave message garbage collecting viking sorenson writes great change tired debates lurkers join time ahh talk politics guns kindler gentler newsgroup thought reason sort restriction endangerment poorly maintained rifle dangerous user endanger justification restrictions remind shrapnel reasonable space limitation make mistake blowing hazard nearby lane range point distance level threat draw line endangerment restriction possibility shot draw mile restriction nuke draw mile restriction suffer fundamental flaw restrict based instrument placing responsibility usage squarely shoulders user metzenbaum declaring barrett light fifty assault rifle made apparent barrett range acurracy determined lives worth effort protect homes families nuclear weapons close home accomplish disagree grounds house rebuilt easily family died assume word citizens attack planned case tactical strategic implications change personally home worth twenty martians intent taking world family balancing hard judge sitting desk problem case civil strength militias fighting side reflect popular public split versus minorities militias disadvantage popular support prevent insurrections people rebels heavy weapons owned small fraction militia distort minority included tank artillery owners case heavy weapons commonly owned citizenry numbers cost superior weapons great effect numerically superior doubtful training includes proper tactical movements utilize tanks commonly rifleman hampered effectiveness vital avoid situation small minority reasonable chance gaining political power violence prevent give control heavy weapons small number individuals firepower grossly distort relation popular support military strength individual militiamen good thing lesser evils controls weapons democratic body responsive people envisioned armorer officers select group exercise control heavier complex weapons owns sherman tank give follow orders officers expense tank large chances jointly purchased jointly maintained operated carefull state talking role militia overthrow repressive government completely destructive government control militia arms united states levels government able independently targets rebelion rebelions state local governments state possibly local governments safely allowed select militia heavy weapons risk abuse similar risk federal government control agree point state control heavy weapons justification state centrally located spread ability state lock easy assume state control rest authority governor militia officers eaxctly removed select militia privide militia heavy weapons highly trained specialists reasons outlines heavy weapons tanks artillery aircraft local governments small number individuals local governments able select militia support people ideally general militia direct control people select militia direction democratic local governments opperate worst case general militia able functional select militia similarly select militia incapable action general militia hard time heavy weapons fairly numbers easily wielded people government support argued weapons divvied democratic control side situation alleviated select militia holding weapons unorganized militia infantry called argue federal army rely select militia unorganized militia bulk infantry units effect removing national guard infantry placing guard control local governments government controled select militia fight effectively infantry support provided general militia inherently infantry organization hand general militia function disadvantage backing local governments select militia assume side government controlled forces equipment infantry force size trouble heavy stuff tanks offset local troups anti tank weapons armory infantry tank cost training requirements figured suppose quibbling constitutes heavy equipment mechanized infantry unit builds dikes times flood sets disaster relief cities things handled local general militias resources outfit local units call mechanized unit carries stuff faster national guard close conception select militia thought heavy weapons armor militia infantry regular army ideas heavy weapons main battle tanks propelled artillery field pieces heavy stuff troop carriers trucks humvee tanks howitzers stuff mechanized infantry guard units iowa fielding units innate fear real heavy equipment state control numbers light stuff deterrent allowing main battle tanks states balanced anti tank capability local ranks similarly local units band quickly small fast response means mechanized infantry finally militia fighting equipment needed responses federal army convinced minumum infantry relying state local militias functions 
american express card organization iowa state university ames lines thomas parsli writes hate long postings turned lengthy mail discussion acquiring weapons norway kinds weapons norway permit good reason permit long guns proof fill forms pistols nation wide check felonies days wait good reason difference americans tend annoyed reason badge drivers licence prove drive allowed dealing america drive wheel truck permit license engaged farming work strange problem personal rights versus collective security crimes commited guns owners arms long time exeption criminals accuire guns crimes short time befor crime strange rates decline killing frowned stealing knives allowed cary knifes public belt open americans carry open public rigth attract attention carry sword openly practice legal thing attract attention lost crowd subject attention carrying weapon word intimidation intimidation preferable method normal citizen scandinavians aggressive northeners livered southeners decide action historian millitary knowledge europe german served norway aggressive southerners germans precisely society violent weapons individual important masses extent criminal laws protect individuals makes masses rigths individuals affects rights masses editor barf masses rights individuals individual instance draw analogy norway involved involved nato requires laws nato requires laws affect citizens norway europe important norwegians motorcycles make stuffed business eyes telling horsepower safely ride note state governments play game federal government essence cultural difference lived amerika defend myselfe home shouldn countries managed remove criminals society america feel remember individual states larger country police protect criminals country violent prepare wise sell guns candy states smart neccacery drivers licence free guns mail find difficult country easier theft easier troubles purchase defend home loved country view guns neccities toys option force guns lived fight option open army service variaty weapons defence feel good show responsible rational user weapons ranks teach young people sort responsibility cultures grave impact notice great grandfather 
silly outdated bill koresh miranda reply halat bears halat lines article larry cipriani writes move incident mayor philadelphia time black move incident bomb members killed gunfire circa mayor white frank rizzo bomb included mayor wilson goode black halat 
scoop waco road keywords topical smirk nntp posting host lines stratus tavares writes lite posting humor funny article bellas pete bellas writes cream flavor inspired incident waco called mount caramel full nuts carton stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet find funny surface original poster joke convicted members bunch nuts dangerous thing opinion educated informed people country distrust government exist bureaucracy government time tend exist original purpose created distrust people power line properly functioning press sensationalism oriented press portrays group people nuts crazies violation people civil rights justified american gurantee rights enumerated constitution include ammendment government appease public opinion risk voted existance corrupt tamper domocratic process thrown force government stands appease public official press releases portray fanatics threat public safety prejudge people based sided information information comming agency embarrased branch davidians advantage make fanatical dangerous portrayed abiding citizen justification open mind jokes funny mislead public truth matter understanding rock island dalton leads national firearms case regulate firearms machine guns deemed unconstitutional federal district courts reason involved case firearms violations interesting find search warrent based embarrassing search warrent based possibly unconstitutional resulted deaths enforcement opinions mine mine solely responsible opinions actions flame flame constructed argument respected young hoon yoon yoony north hall ecse rensselaer polytechnic institute troy 
clinton national card ussr style internal passport nntp posting host seismo soar organization school computer science carnegie mellon lines article fcrary colorado frank crary writes article slack david slack writes idea card bull curious plan making requirement required presented medical determined blue cross medical coverage federal employees good model future national system emergency medical care insured carry blue cross card entering hospital notify blue cross refuse bills emergency treated notifying inform hours unable medical reasons hospital failing hours means cover hospitalization card notify card hospital wouldn required carry card times emergency medical coverage frank crary boulder works fine hospital head wallet insurance card stolen happened months sort mess sorts plans sound nice create paperwork bureaucracy deal checking filing involve hacker tsmith soar return address wrong send personal response address 
guns backcountry nntp posting host beethoven colostate organization colorado state university computer science department lines manditory saftey classes registration owner manditory liability insurance nice owners pointed significant difference making rules public property making rules ownership half objection trust similar things local jurisdications country abused cases safety classes sheduled funded held year limited number participants registration lists york chicago california confiscation owners theory support planes numbers overwhelmingly show competence problem intentional misuse simply abused leery person pike reasonable suggestion abused safety classes sound good theory kind remind literacy tests days blacks voting grandfather clause grandfather vote vote sort safety laws political kissers guns doug holland 
batf revenge keywords batf korash child abuse guns murder control organization university illinois urbana lines uucp myrto writes overreacting part post shrill speculation gift tomgift uiuc 
rewording amendment ideas organization lines individuals weapons mass destruction find hard support neighbor nuclear weapons biological weapons nerve property prohibiting biological weapons nerve property walking government property items ipso facto weapons mass destruction hell patent office patents manufacture nerve obtain simply sending patent office washington patents verboten english citizens patent office surprise based mistrust government private ownership semi automatic rifles agree keeping weapons mass destruction hands individuals hope legislation prohibiting owning biological warfare agents nerve agents pass laws owning chlorine cyanide pass laws owning acetylene bradley ifvs branch dividians anti combustion engine effects pass laws owning gallon cylinders propane flame throwers proverbial road hell good 
change organization dept informatics university oslo norway lines originator thomasp make newsgroup called talk politics guns paranoid talk politics guns move postings waco burn guess stop posting newsgroup glad save evil goverment mail regular mail people signature computergenerated text waste bandwith bring evil internet thomas parsli thomasp 
burns dividian ranch survivors keywords nata thing nntp posting host nimitz kent reply matthew hamilton organization kent state university lines article writes surprised post makes past censors monday april murder foul reporting write ignited buildings branch dividian ranch waco lies holes made walls lethal tear pumped minutes started thing buildings aflame escaped obvious armored flame thrower vehicles pump unlit napalm wood stove inside ignite murder murderers butchers genocidal mass slaughter innocent people including children predicted start sickens happen hoped wrong hoped shred america grew loved left alive wrong nazis repeat time survivors crosspost slaughter children gorman american tears flame attention news oops forgot media part loves jump story facts manipulate ways koresh devoted followers repeat survive genocidal mass slaughter innocent people survivors burn unit local hospital reported david towers shit majority children children supposed father makes bastard children sacraligious zeloit told david followers heat stay kitchen intended flame aah daniaalson wanna fight fight matthew hamilton mhamilto kent physics major kent lawnmowerman kent state university kent future advice quotes sayings jibberish philosohy 
organization microsystems lines distribution world reply dbernard central nntp posting host clesun central true congress possesion unlicensed automatic weapon violation congress possesion capital offense transgression worth good government agents killed wounded capital offense warrant arrest warrant search warrant words evidence illegal arms suggestion judge sign license search illegal evidence question rodney king case institute criminal civil rights proceedings batf investigation asked 
batf revenge organization hewlett packard boise idaho lines vain hope honest investigation occur thing simply whitewashed business usual continue order order official title thought police clinton friends highly point order government guns years late discover paying dearly putting fellow office decades hard supporters doubts savior ahem drugs sponsored bush reagan administrations precedent federal agencies step people rights make excuses damage clinton entered race 
batf murders waco today organization users kevin organization lines nntp posting host axon reply roby udel message article roby udel scott roby writes escaped compound fire deliberately cult members correction escaped fire deliberately cult members press miles absolutely independent verification government claims matter kevin horn religion batf approved vanhorn 
organization open software foundation research institute distribution lines comments botched handling case attempting storm compound broad daylight explanation point thought cult members religious services comment idiocy operate quasi military unit understand basic military tactics cardinal rule fool plans operation assumption incorrect operation fail disastrously told agents killed outgunned expect heavy resistance questioned overwhelming military style assault planned told cultists thought heavily armed contradictory knew batf reputation years bunch arrogant hotdoggers talking relatives couple weeks referred bunch crockett tubbs wannabes convinced target anecdote related waco fiasco apparently batf screwed evidence world trade center bombing excellent chance forensic evidence gathered admissible court hearsay told relative wife agent opinion batf umm uncomplimentary presented iota evidence alleged illegal weaponry reason raid place hearing justification reno yesterday made references issue substantiation waved child abuser heard beating children flag sigh point feds general handling siege reflected complete lack understanding probable thought processes cultists reno pushed button afraid mass suicide offing comment cultists close edge hell reaction hours long assault compound holes punched walls pumped expect forces godless government assault time light torched drank jones kool irrelevant siege conducted bright lights loud rock music cutting communications contact measures designed make feel isolated threatened great strategy dealing criminals koresh paranoid delusions include 
batf murders waco today organization university tromsoe lines article arras writes roby government sucking heartless bastard humans died yesterday humans died actions undeniable truth question long guess committed suicide hunger thirst gave choice sucide surrender warned action chance surrender fair trial matter started fire responsible peole dying paal ellingsen borgensvingen paale kvaloeysletta data dobbelt arbeid alle 
gritz liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian organization purdue university statistics department lines article gautjw sfasu writes article kckluge umich karl kluge writes people fans fuedalism pissed moaned emergence modern nation state imagine king allowing serfs freedom live city year times change technology viable forms social organization change concerns preserving western notions civil liberties face cultures values valid waste effort turn back tide smarter focus make emerging forms social organization response sign trend world government people likeable intelligent show sign successfully brainwashed recognize inevitable tide rolling chaos represents advance civilization lament passing forms bill rights inalienable rights changed transferred surrendered rights transcend napoleon wanted grand order hitler wanted thousand year reich lenin knew bolshevism give universal world order tired garbage pathetic part americans trust princes biblical proverb modern analog governments time founding idea citizens rights government common explicit writings founders considerable extent englishmen rights times change technology possibility governments enserfing mankind recently feudal system lord restricted serfs people enserf make feudal lords slaveowners mistreat freedom speech freedom religion real attack herman rubin dept statistics purdue univ west lafayette phone hrubin stat purdue internet bitnet purdue snap stat hrubin uucp 
batf murders waco today organization grill lines article roby udel scott roby writes days hands national trial deserved chose fire compund hours tanks dropped tear person parroted line fires hours tear injected suppose explain videotape footage shown national night tank injecting tubes pulling injection tubes story building building begins belch smoke fire 
talk state legislative update organization ideology busters distribution keywords talk lines april william douglas noted powerful sponsor lacking individual liberty withers spite glowing opinions resounding constitutional phrases legislative scorecard outlined resulted subcommittee committee floor action important victories coordinating legislators ensure anti anti hunting legislation amended favorably rejected voted quiet victories impressive protecting fundamental civil liberties guaranteed amendment constitution arizona supported legislation minors criminal possession firearms passed house awaiting action governor arkansas firearms preemption legislation signed governor making forty state pass preemption preemption passed previous sessions vetoed bill clinton mandatory storage firearms amended killed committee colorado mandating storage firearms trigger lock killed committee prohibiting sale semi auto firearms killed committee called colorado handgun violence prevention including provision waiting period killed committee connecticut substitute bill imposing firearms ammunition archery equipment killed environment committee florida bill require year license cost possess semi automatic firearms degree felony provision years prison died committee numerous anti owner bills anti legislation passed florida year georgia supposed instant check provision allowing waiting period defeated house public safety committee interim study committee mandatory storage bill defeated senate bill passed upper house illinois prohibiting sale possession manufacture purchase possession carrying semi auto firearms defeated house judiciary subcommittee firearms mandatory storage legislation failed house judiciary subcommittee firearms repeals foid makes ftip point sale check permanent passed judiciary committee vote presently calendar reading house mandatory storage bill defeated committee imposing handgun excise failed senate committee revenue subcommittee increases imposing persons engaged business selling firearms failed senate revenue committee subcommittee increases indiana statewide firearms preemption passed senate house twelve amendments introduced house floor amendments semi auto firearms mandatory storage trigger lock saturday night specials similar maryland bill handgun rationing handgun month defeated read morning defeated kansas providing hour waiting period firearms defeated committee presently governor desk relating victims rights expected enacted maine funding department fish wildlife budget restored severe reductions governor proposed budget anti hunting bill included reverse posting yard safety zones killed committee maryland firearms incendiary ammunition died committee vote reckless endangerment firearms sale transfer died committee vote control assault weapons died committee vote weapons free school zone withdrawn weapons school property driver license suspension withdrawn assault pistols sale purchase transport died committee vote assault pistols died committee vote baltimore city firearms rifles shotguns died committee vote pistol revolver dealers licenses compliance zoning laws withdrawn regulated firearms sales transfer died senate floor handguns assault weapons advertising sale transfer died committee handguns assault weapons exhibitors died committee assault pistols died committee vote shows sale trade transfer regulated firearms died committee vote firearms handguns assault pistols handgun roster board withdrawn rifles shotguns registration withdrawn pistols revolvers private sales transfers required notice died committee prince georges county weapons free school zone withdrawn mississippi closing loophole allowing felons possess firearms passed houses signed governor bill codifies mechanism felons amendment liberties reinstated nebraska mandatory trigger lock bills killed committee hampshire providing reciprocity concealed carry licenses passed increasing term license carry loaded handguns passed mexico imposing waiting period defeated senate committee floor senate mandatory storage legislation killed vote committee legislation safeguarding sportsmen field harassment animal rights extremists signed governor march york waiting period defeated city buffalo semi autos defeated monroe county bills imposed guns ammo included budget making pistol licenses validity pistol license state passed senate awaiting action assembly committee north dakota granting victims compensation circumstances signed governor april oregon banning firearms school grounds court buildings withdrawn result owners opposition rhode island mandatory firearms storage legislation defeated committee vote prohibiting aliens owning firearm defeated unanimous vote committee excepting instructors firearms safety requirement reported favorably exempting persons attorney general permit waiting period reported floor vote extending term permit carry years years reported floor unanimously utah reforming state concealed carry statute passed house committee creating civil liability called negligent storage firearm creating offense reckless endangerment firearm killed senate floor virginia requiring proof state residence obtain virginia driver license passed increases penalty imposes mandatory minimum sentence straw purchases multiple firearms passed allowing possession sawed rifles shotguns compliance federal passed making felony offense carrying concealed firearm license opposes abiding citizens acquire concealed carry license defense defeated increasing penalty firearm committing felony passed requiring proof residence obtain driver license passed providing referendum imposition statewide waiting period handgun purchases defeated washington calling waiting periods licensing semi automatic firearms died committee west virginia calls study control transfers handguns assault weapons defeated senate wisconsin referendum odds determined efforts madison area citizens crime paid april nonbinding referendum banning possession handguns madison wisconsin defeated opposition aired largely firearms owners series public meetings issue common council voted february place referendum ballot allowing weeks campaigning reverse public opinion controversial issue october poll conducted wisconsin state journal found support opposed expressing opinion election voters polls cast ballots opposition proposal voted madison common council enact campaign committee spearheaded wisconsin movement relied neighborhood canvassing direct mail radio advertising educate voters civil liberties implications raised enforcement referendum approved surprising defeat expected madison initiative chief proponent mayor paul soglin attempt common council enact ordinance banning handguns downloaded talk service national rifle association institute legislative action washington larry cipriani cipriani 
letter president nntp posting host neptune convex organization engineering convex computer corp richardson disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines kenneth whitehead writes dismissal resignation lloyd bensen secretary treasury case bentsen bensen brad 
reasonable civie arms limits organization ohio state university dept computer info science lines nntp posting host python ohio state article ifas writes poster claims asks anti gunners reasonable personal firepower restrictions caliber greater muzzle greater combo bullet action single shot rifles single action revolvers revolvers bearing rounds incorporating anti fanning mechanism discourage rogers wannabes bullets explosive variety fine specs leave magnum powerful allowable civie cartridge handgun rifle effective home intruders muggers rabid wolves nasties firearm type limitations time caliber power limit reduce ultimate lethality hits chances average encountering gang huge individuals drunk stoned crystal meth attitude armed chances killed driving people realize bear primarily intended protecting criminals beasties wild granted part military style weapons fight government door agents door nice able shoot upholding constitution ability harder puny weapons listed read federalist papers clarification rkba documents cleared plenty misnomers friends mine matt porter mporter ohio state mporter ohio state 
change organization georgia institute technology lines article thomasp thomas parsli writes make newsgroup called talk politics guns paranoid talk politics guns move postings waco burn guess stop posting newsgroup glad save evil goverment mail regular mail people thomas parsli talked evil arising europe labeled reactionary late negotiate hitler trust bargain stalin chamberlin thought guess forgot teach country overrun germans wwii thomas outrage government excesses everytime israelis conduct mass operation terrorist group actively killing citizens soldiers world indignant assault citizens religous minority accused sexual deviation hoarding weapons find real ironic happened gore arrived poland recognize sacrifices made warsaw ghetto justifications raised armed assault black clad troops armor support james cochrane danger doubt space gatech circles scream shout rent 
change originator nntp posting host atlas mitre organization mitre corp mclean lines article thomas parsli writes make newsgroup called talk politics guns paranoid talk politics guns move postings waco burn guess stop posting newsgroup glad save evil goverment mail regular mail people signature computergenerated text waste bandwith bring evil internet thomas parsli thomasp group called talk thomas parsli approves clinton administration mail addresses clintonhq mcimail provided public service compuserve edward shum clintonpz america online clinton administration mail addresses clintonhq mcimail provided public service compuserve edward shum clintonpz america online 
mormons jews organization purdue university statistics department lines article uchicago writes article freenet john redelfs writes brother rubbed minority religion waco mormons jews koreshians rubbed mormons jews propensity dousing kerosene concerned blame jones government remember masada jews killed captured romans agree davidians admire willingness believed jews herman rubin dept statistics purdue univ west lafayette phone hrubin stat purdue internet bitnet purdue snap stat hrubin uucp 
batf murders waco today nntp posting host chopin udel organization university delaware lines article writes article roby udel scott roby writes days hands national trial deserved chose fire compund hours tanks dropped tear person parroted line fires hours tear injected suppose explain videotape footage shown national night tank injecting tubes pulling injection tubes story building building begins belch smoke fire corrected mistake earlier thread news report inaccuracy detailed summaries show tanks returned late morning leave introduced earlier morning care children release children weeks 
batf murders waco today nntp posting host silver indiana organization indiana university lines article writes article roby udel scott roby writes days hands national trial deserved chose fire compund hours tanks dropped tear person parroted line fires hours tear injected suppose explain videotape footage shown national night tank injecting tubes pulling injection tubes story building building begins belch smoke fire mention story rewritten today admitted starting fire forget exist today starting fire aerial surveillance showed starting fires morning press conference tomorrow excuse evaporate reporter pointed brought arraingement shouted tanks knocking lanterns started fire curiouser curiouser wayne warf wwarf indiana speak clinton gore assassinate bomb resist christian satan apocalypse nazi socialist communist explosive fundamentalist revolution federal reserve constitution gold fema 
american express card organization hand held products lines distribution nntp posting host dale handheld article jason kratz kind funny picked part sister social worker keeping date gang thing skim part jason guess means mistaken rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham 
control reply hambidge organization bristol myers squibb lines article jrutledg ulowell john lawrence rutledge writes unconditional infringed infringed defined break ignore terms obligations oath agreement disreguard violate boundaries limits tresspass encroach definition implies form existing agreement laws agreements made advance rights guaranteed constitution considered existing agreement exist grants rights laws guarantee protect infringe rights websters international dictionary english language unabridged infringe break destroy defeat frustrate confute refute impair weaken commit breach neglect fulfill obey violate transgress encroach trespass infringement infringing breach violation nonfulfillment encroachment trespass priveledge trespass stretch imagination ideas infringement rights standard disclaimer 
mormons jews organization microsystems lines distribution world reply dbernard central nntp posting host clesun central situations analogous make dubious claim legal system provide equivalent treatment children romans conquered rebels analogy calls branch davidian feeling treatment lines military assualt peacefull effort serve warrant weeks siege feeling completely irrational survivors wanted institute civil rights violation lawsuit treasury dept claim batf blame mass hysteria insanity process siegers shone lights laser beams multi colored spotlights playing loudly amplified music consisting tibetan chant heavy metal coupled fear poor nutrition rampant paranoia poor nuts made nuttier sleep deprivation sensory overload part method torture 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization university tennessee knoxville newsreader lines article writes surprised post makes past censors monday april murder foul murder murderers butchers genocidal mass slaughter innocent people including children chalk driving sympathies paranoid lunatic predicted start sickens happen hoped wrong hoped shred america grew loved left alive wrong nazis repeat time survivors heard apparently point found bodies killed initial assault couple months cute koresh trail bodily assumed heaven make reno david veal university tennessee division continuing education remember laughed pushed elevator shaft thinking love anymore weird yankovic 
batf revenge organization purdue university computing center lines idea size waco curious small town possibly long burn watching minutes burn waco city people population temporarily raised people feds state police officers arrived stayed hotel room miles compound weeks felt paranoid life state police hotel claim water turned fire engines bring hold water surely turned back quickly scores settle message clear fuck government tells true message wanted send wait days message charging waiting days pounding sound bunch dead members able side story story batf care rights people clinton administration approved action washington approved masks finite life close running waited people supposedly alive story bill clinton concerned pressing matters attend small group people texas bosnia problem waited waited long earlier mass suicide past expressed real possibility decided possibility raid apparantly feel korash capable driven convenient time means public media forget weary happened people investigation independent whitewash possibility unsealing warrant related documents incident batf version government doubt batf carte blanche abuses effective support approval administration clinton news knew happening hands choose media abuses concern administration censure precident established feds kill quantity achieve aims target excercising rights amendment rest bill rights government declared nice fellow rocket launchers press claims shouldn religious cult rocket launcher child abuse covered bill rights clams pleased dung tsow ping pleased saddam hussein pleased amin pleased stalin pleased hitler pleased respecting despot bill clinton respecting despots feel bless america land free past tense overreacting typing questions raised incident problem heard govt spoksewoman attorney general rabid private ownership guns assault guns amazing restraint falls back official goverenment line guity child abuse basis note liberal elite giving child spanking regarded child abuse state child spank state federal government individual state government clinton personally approved operation told surprised people boss charge obviouly longer people people charge long time government things past maintain response raid batf concerned child abuse batf child protective services police charge found guilty people pretty silent terrible illegal guns supposedly stress continued child abuse apparantly make sort rescue operation figuring hates child abusers occasional references ammunition possesed irrelevant illegal ammunition true illegal rocket launcher vain hope honest investigation occur thing simply whitewashed business usual continue order order official title thought police clinton friends highly point order government guns years late discover paying dearly putting fellow office decades hard supporters doubts savior shit people dont instant problem clinton office months give chance shit thrown beginning give chance work things rome built upset good civil individual rights proposals decisions month bill rights quaint curiosity highly doubt rodney king trial people responsible falls impeachment nope prefer give bill months solve nations problems uucp prejudice myrto seattle fails uunet pilchuck rwing wisdom things infinite universe human stupidity albert einstien jason 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization hand held products lines distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld article hadcrjam miller jimmy writes handheld writes article schuerzinger writes tuesday morning arsons yesterday vanish mention desired impression left kikk radio houston survivors pitals jails inlucding allegedly helped start firess briefing mention made fire starters custody talk koresh grandmother talk send taped message total isolation total isolation lawyer snuck time back inside times including final assualt mother media semper jammer miller texas university speak student billing system student billing system power finds stand stand ordinary emmet moore mike levine triumph rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization hand held products lines distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld article mhamilto kent lawnmowerman writes told david followers heat stay kitchen intended tops cold hearted bastard list unbelievable countries morals sunk death innocent people callously viewed flame aah daniaalson wanna fight fight matthew hamilton mhamilto kent physics major kent lawnmowerman kent state university kent future advice quotes sayings jibberish philosohy rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham 
batf murders waco today organization hand held products lines distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld article paale paal ellingsen writes article arras writes roby government sucking heartless bastard humans died yesterday humans died actions undeniable truth question long guess committed suicide hunger thirst gave choice sucide surrender warned action chance surrender fair trial matter started fire responsible peole dying opinion differ greatly doubt shares blame paal ellingsen borgensvingen paale kvaloeysletta data dobbelt arbeid alle rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham 
sale organization gotham communications research distribution lines voice growing multitudes pledge purchase conditions post idea nets access rime libernet organize frank lpva ccrtkba 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization colorado springs division lines nntp posting host fajita case panics jumps facts straight 
blast time organization computer engineering science case western reserve university lines distribution nntp posting host king cwru happened waco fault batf proper equipment personal captured compound initial assault happened batf people weapons armored transports meet hostile fire able force retreating stand batf protect proper equipment people increased crime streets batf needed blast good fokes price order country good people died wars protect great country arms build waco needed compound mega fire power blasting killed women kids letting burn death days 
burns dividian ranch survivors distribution world organization memphis state university lines article writes reporting write ignited buildings branch dividian ranch waco lies holes made walls lethal tear pumped minutes started thing buildings aflame escaped obvious armored flame thrower vehicles pump unlit napalm wood stove inside ignite davidians koreshians started fire heard people feilds surrounding compound captured admitted setting fire napalm theory made great commercial hell wood stove burning warm flame throwers liquid petroleum napalm dispute theory diluted inserted understood correctly place start burning murder murderers butchers genocidal mass slaughter innocent people including children predicted start sickens happen hoped wrong hoped shred america grew loved left alive wrong nazis calm vernon koresh real leave compound alive inhabitants thereof accepted fact kill repeat time survivors survivors caller rush limbaugh today suggested rest hiding underground bunkers wild idea weaponry resolve crosspost slaughter children gorman american tears sheesh heard read ranting hindenberg burned ended days glad dollars finally stopped working bunch stand give press conferences back important things catching cigarrette smugglers troy napalm sticks kids 
clinton joins list genocidal socialist leaders nntp posting host gozer organization sigsauer club lines article michaelh michael hahn michaelh writes killed read estimates killed neighborhood million drew betz idbsu brought terminal free state idaho outlaw rights outlaws rights spook fodder fema clinton gore insurrection semtex neptunium terrorist deuterium 
blast time nntp posting host eddie nasa organization propulsion laboratory pasadena distribution lines article oldham cwru daniel oldham writes happened waco fault batf proper equipment personal captured compound initial assault happened batf people weapons armored transports meet hostile fire able force retreating stand batf protect proper equipment people increased crime streets batf needed blast good fokes price order country good people died wars protect great country arms build waco needed compound mega fire power blasting killed women kids letting burn death days people government deserve worry sleep thoughts government approved list rounded executed julie disclaimer opinions belong 
guns backcountry organization georgia institute technology lines article egedi upenn dania egedi writes article andy stanford andy freeman writes article pkgeragh uchicago kevin geraghty writes wrong guns protection mindset ignores threat affected part makes nervous decide threat based appearance feel threatened actions determine presents threat carry people tend fade encounters domestic dogs critters scared folks aggressive staying sitting cleaning softly backed hiked miles freely admit afraid guns afraid people bring backcountry count fear guns sense weapons maintained present threat army taught clean weapons daily amazed sweaty holster trail dust guess scared explorer post advisors national guard special forces grunts considered heresy woods weapon notice tended avoid public scrutiny solve solitude problem carry display prominently hikers hiding woods dania holster mixed magazine pouches hold lotsa stuff canteens knives compasses easy notice chance decide visible prefer walking quietly active areas increases number human type critters james james cochrane danger doubt space gatech circles scream shout rent 
blast time organization stratus computer marlboro lines distribution nntp posting host hudm enet stratus deleted sounds twisted increased crime streets batf needed blast good fokes price order country good people died wars protect great country flame thrower dollars kind philosophy good folks talking people inclined accept batf bureau militant paranoid freedom killers people dangerous alcohol tobacco firearms arms build waco needed compound mega fire power blasting killed women kids letting burn death days nuked city good souls real sound racist guess life precious realize children killed fall love sunrise prom date football baseball people narrow flame thrower 
batf murders waco today nntp posting host gozer organization sigsauer club lines article roby udel scott roby writes suppose prevented coming hands national cameras watch watch miles happenned explained vengeful filter humiliated agency quote scenario simplest plausible generally conspiracy theories involve complicated scenarios letters martin luther king wife insinuating affair trust supposedly benevolent government batf means devoid fault handling affair suggest intentionally started fire ludicrous suspect plenty camerapeople risk small arms fire good footage people told hell camera range drew betz idbsu brought terminal free state idaho outlaw rights outlaws rights spook fodder fema clinton gore insurrection semtex neptunium terrorist deuterium 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization worcester polytechnic institute lines nntp posting host article writes surprised post makes past censors monday april murder foul reporting write ignited watched report heard report started fire speculate type accidentaly started fire buildings branch dividian ranch waco lies holes made walls lethal tear pumped minutes started thing understanding report hours started buildings aflame escaped obvious armored flame thrower vehicles pump unlit track vehicle vicinity building fire noticed looked armored recovery vehicle type tanks battle fields armored flame thrower vehicle napalm wood stove inside ignite pointed stove warm texas poor planing hope wood stove ignite napalm stove doubt hours ignite murder murderers butchers genocidal mass slaughter innocent people including children predicted start sickens happen hoped wrong hoped shred america grew loved left alive wrong nazis clinton office resist flames repeat time survivors crosspost slaughter children gorman american tears short gorman assuming title woman stupid make post episode watching watching tears seamed blured hearing sight excuse mispelled words product arkansas education system slick willie double bubba ticket greately improved tenour governer great state taking nation allowing drop bringing back rember source numbers found michael rhein 
infinite patience organization georgia institute technology lines article fuller writes infinite patience find hard swallow prolonged exposure massive amounts bomb dropped move start fire real kicker stated justification government sudden loss patience able rotate teams outcome foreseen mile reno malcolm fuller surveying engineering university brunswick good part point negotiating spokesman ricks news briefing half hour fire began hands matter criminal billary force issue information number figure bill lesson rotc scorned responsible unit troops fail enjoys responsible violating constitutional rights group resulting deaths hundred federal agents james james cochrane danger doubt space gatech circles scream shout rent 
mormons jews organization university buffalo lines news software vnews nntp posting host ubvmsb buffalo article uchicago writes article freenet john redelfs writes brother rubbed minority religion waco mormons jews koreshians rubbed mormons jews propensity dousing kerosene concerned blame jones government thankful batf standoff kids cult committed mass suicide dont branch davidians committed suicide minute past incendiary grenades feed story trust wonderful government tells janet reno murder hundred people hands hope sleep night vasilion suny buffalo cult haters happy hope 
blast time reply hambidge organization bristol myers squibb distribution lines article oldham cwru daniel oldham writes happened waco fault batf proper equipment personal captured compound initial assault happened batf people weapons armored transports meet hostile fire able force retreating stand batf protect proper equipment people increased crime streets batf needed blast good fokes price order country good people died wars protect great country arms build waco needed compound mega fire power blasting killed women kids letting burn death days forget sarcasm flag standard disclaimer 
batf revenge organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article dianem diane mathews writes ahem drugs sponsored bush reagan administrations precedent federal agencies step people rights make excuses damage clinton entered race mention year weaver affair waco affair interested peoples interpretations koresh people basically minding business weapons violations committed disapproved prosecuting violations batf criminal starting negotiations military style assault firing house children noncombatants leave token guard place wait approve tear approach caused fire started agent responsible spend years jail koresh response tear kill hold largely responsible deaths 
batf revenge organization argonne national laboratory lines hmm heard rockets escalating tall tails rocket launchers press claims shouldn davidians attacked threatened religious cult rocket launcher governments legitimate child abuse covered bill rights child abuse jurisdiction department treasury attacking citizens process strength unsubstantiated rumors violation fall jurisdiction pretty breech rights shit people dont instant problem clinton office months give chance shit thrown beginning give chance work things rome built trouble mike 
mormons jews organization georgia institute technology lines person remembers masada time group committed suicide avoid persecution capture miss point raid happened place find actions damn reminiscent warsaw ghetto fitting gore poland events marking anniversery remove references dates raids government troops wearing black uniforms carrying automatic weapons backed armored vehicles religious minorities claim practicing sexually deviant behavior hoarding weapons damn similar james advocating find situation damn troubling james cochrane danger doubt space gatech circles scream shout rent 
batf revenge keywords batf korash child abuse guns murder control reply glenns gatech organization group bench lines uucp myrto writes impeachment yeah slickmeister hillary buddy janet responsible resignations desk yesterday thier butts federal civil rights violations carries life prison penalty contribute arlen specter presidential campaign nads launch senate investigation glenn stone glenns gatech america distress flag upside save republic longer exists 
friends neil smith organization udel school life health sciences lines article papresco math uwaterloo paul prescod writes article allanh allan heim writes figure reliable means keeping guns people interfering good people problem methods trick manufacture sell import japan required total isolation rest world centuries guns fewer people hunting weapons allowed long bulky require reloading shots times shoot animal assumes moving hunting weapons great extortionist sharpshooters send money pick miles starr renaissance assistant editor freedom network news newsletter isil international society individual liberty market francisco universally selfishly starr slhs udel 
firearms organization udel school life health sciences lines article david veal writes article papresco math uwaterloo paul prescod writes article gatech cochrane james shpleigh writes guns banned bunch showed south florida easier trace notice small ripple huge wave american craze teach courses rude canada canadian culture handed largely united empire loyalists fled american revolution canuckleheads tend cratophilic government loving attitude authority paul prescod line elitist bigotry prejudice canadian friends hate fellow citizens sort snobbish canuck irrational horror american democratic armed mobs starr renaissance assistant editor freedom network news newsletter isil international society individual liberty market francisco universally selfishly starr slhs udel 
firearms organization udel school life health sciences lines article papresco math uwaterloo paul prescod writes drugs banned supply drugs easier manufacture easier smuggle easier hide comparison ignorant fool drug business business starr renaissance assistant editor freedom network news newsletter isil international society individual liberty market francisco universally selfishly starr slhs udel 
weird science neil smith distribution nntp posting host blanca lance colostate organization colorado state university fort collins lines posted cathy smith neil smith weird science politician lying lips move equally obvious politicians politicians phrase political science subject interpretation years heard scientists worried coming nuclear winter smoke dust thrown atmosphere full scale international unpleasantness possibility killed dinosaurs hear actual data supported real world events burning kuwaiti fields tended discredit propaganda meant weaken values made america successful culture history dinosaurs died plague continents drifted exposing germs miss listen closely prince william sound site famous spill mount helen supposed recover respective disasters years turned true watching network nightly news agenda inform earth vast resilient nature rougher media blame ignorant science trust scientists unscrew inscrutable trouble today scientists agendas government wellspring scientific wherewithal offer grants investigator states truthfully respectable evidence global warming money power bureaucrats politicians mass transit hate automobile blamed major mythical crisis source privacy freedom find intolerable appears true acid rain deliberate hoax cooked environmental protection agency hates private industrial capitalism foisted real scientists trickery depended specialists fields talking list common disreputable thread ozone depletion evidence suspect contradictory acid rain global warming desperate attempt indict private capitalism state central planning command economy failed find final withered teeter decades anti nuclear alarmism resting foundations myth panic mongering failed erase fact nuclear power safest cleanest efficient source energy mankind point greater amount energy individual society freer individual society honest studies effects individual ownership defense crime conducted investigators began ideological opponents concepts show massive reductions result suppressed recently california state government media recent discoveries effect secondhand smoking harm smokers detected order magnitude frying bacon couple times week keeping bird make claim smoking cancer real threat represented politically correct science world dangerous place nice hazards believed smoking healthy practice lack credibility part today science decide nicotine highly addictive attest experience stress quitting riskier continue corrupting influence government money scientific establishment centuries founding fathers spared agonies nation world subject time creating legal barrier politics religion time short sighted individual group lower barrier recently issue abortion blood real human blood smoking street wound shed real human blood shed scientific issues people lives ruined loss agencies livelihood property lifetime accumulate diseases caused toxins burning fossil fuels electrical power bans things cyclamates effects obesity hope survive civilization centuries barrier constitutional separation state science including medicine knowledge valuable real science languish lack funding money simply contributors unwilling lies benefit neil smith author probability broach crystal empire henry martyn forthcoming pallas lever action fidonet libertarian amendment caucus life member opinions 
constitutionality organization atlas telecom distribution lines article stratus tavares writes article brians brian sheets writes rights federal constitution understand statute enforced individual government possess passing make figure guess government servent soveriegn possess possessing machine criminal definition possessing television pass laws harm kill machine television specific penalties laws constitional court close bound obey uncontitutional courts bound enforce late brian sheets truck truck support engineer atlas telecom raiders lost brians 
boston back nntp posting host lines miller wrote question authorities sponsors buyback programs check stolen weapons answer total amnesty good point registration schemes harassment deleted point receiving stolen property pawn shop owner thing myron petro uspsa opinions included post sole responsibility protected amendment guarnteed amendment amnesty concern cash moneyorder check turned stolen turns stolen wanted prosecute prosecute concern people total eradication guns legal illegal bother check stolen property knew rightful owner return contrary intent guns 
organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article dbernard central writes capital offense warrant arrest warrant search warrant words evidence illegal arms suggestion judge sign license search illegal evidence hard letter received batf response bentsen search warrant arrest warrant 
batf revenge keywords batf korash child abuse guns murder control nntp posting host lonestar utsa organization university texas antonio lines article uucp myrto writes sick dismayed discouraged ashamed administration impeachment called senators legislators governor demanding warrants unsealed involved atrocity including president attorney general governor suspended pending investigation doubt amerika remember waco government decide murder opinions mine care blame university state 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization hand held products lines distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld article dduff dave duff writes case panics jumps facts straight understand watched satellite network feeds people died eyes huey fanned flames stopped firetrucks gate wrong scene watched rambo movies dulled pain fellow humans dying feel deserved koresh sadistic deserve fate fact reason duped followers innocent brainwashed victims scenaro justifies death clear deaths occured batf fucked initially impaitent pushed korech edge latest version story hook line sinker believed live embarrassment batf severe remember suspicion evasion warrant witnesses information filtered remote controlled pool camera installed building press able back story close video incurring risk press public complete lack source information concern sick stomach sicker government apologists rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham 
burns dividian ranch survivors posted internews organization wdcr wfrd hanover lines article writes surprised post makes past censors monday april murder foul reporting write ignited buildings branch dividian ranch waco lies holes made walls lethal tear pumped minutes started thing buildings aflame escaped obvious armored flame thrower vehicles pump unlit napalm wood stove inside ignite murder murderers butchers genocidal mass slaughter innocent people including children predicted start sickens happen hoped wrong hoped shred america grew loved left alive wrong nazis repeat time survivors crosspost slaughter children gorman american tears latest news survivors survivors rudely caps started fire things wacko waco schuerzinger secret message 
blast time organization hewlett packard roseville site lines distribution nntp posting host hprnd rose newsreader version daniel oldham oldham cwru wrote batf people weapons armored transports arms build waco needed compound mega fire power blasting killed women kids letting burn death days joke legal serve search warrant knock door tossing grenade serve search warrant violates constitution illegal complied legal search warrants past understand batf illegal means serve search warrant february steve 
reply times editorial dear member reply glenns gatech organization group bench lines harvard john writes legal owner disagree issue national group effectively fought rights target shoot hunt protect dangerous criminals time duck hunting lone perps lonely streets defending rights government ignore history attempt succeed bunch weenies forgotten fundamental fact pardon shouting helluva people condition white dumb happy sucking glass teat worth wake smell cordite gang shooting high time shot back keyboards bits glenn stone glenns gatech flags half staff upside mourn protest death 
support brady bill lines organization university tennessee division continuing education article tamu daryl biberdorf writes friend mine student originally appeared medical discussion list control expressed support brady handgun violence prevention citing strong support brady bill past congresses termed alarming violence stemming widespread easy availability firearms proceeded comment recognize waiting period business days handgun purchase address difficult problems made violence prevalent society beginning save lives physicians hand witnesses horrendous cost human life exacted firearm violence reasonable waiting period purchase handgun protection american people deserve letters senator howard metzenbaum representative charles schumer march exact listing lives saved tennessee california waiting period states david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
blast time organization diego state university college sciences lines distribution nntp posting host nosc newsreader version daniel oldham oldham cwru wrote happened waco fault batf proper equipment personal captured compound initial assault happened initial assault compound wooden farm house burned ground started caused fire happened honestly justify initial assault handled properly question authority increased crime streets batf needed blast good fokes price order country good people died wars protect great country arms build waco needed compound show evidenence repeating told mega fire power blasting killed women kids letting burn death days mind raid house someday bogus informant killed wounded family accidentally raid fair price order country answer question honestly making anymore ignorant statements disturbing control government agencies citizens irresponsible chiu 
change reply glenns gatech organization group bench lines thomasp thomas parsli writes make newsgroup called talk politics guns paranoid talk politics guns move postings waco burn guess norway telling place wanna splain guess norway survived reich give hint passive resistance danes glenn stone glenns gatech wearer asbestos underoos 
riddle organization stratus computer lines distribution nntp posting host rocket stratus article fuller writes mouthpiece afternoon press conference characterized quantity pumped building massive speculated hours exposure davidian masks useless sound harmful previous poster argued fact rush escape burning building government actions started fire hand face full massive amounts able escape burning tinder ranch house assuming efforts stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
waco masada organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host rocket stratus article wwarf indiana wayne warf writes people standing calmly burned death choosing death horrible story wash convincing today koresh earlier intended strap explosives agents detonate lost nerve lost nerve quick clean death roasted alive nutty fruitcake koppel night ubiquitous australian woman claimed koresh trained women years commit suicide swallowing cyanide putting mouth cyanide hand choose roast unanswered questions stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
burns dividian ranch survivors reply glenns gatech organization group bench lines bitnet writes surprised post makes past censors fret made predicted start sickens happen hoped wrong hoped shred america grew loved left alive wrong nazis guns gang duck hunting dark alleys black clad helmeted booted troops storming houses violating civil rights color ready defend constitution glenn stone glenns gatech 
blast time nntp posting host chopin udel organization university delaware distribution lines article oldham cwru daniel oldham writes flame bait pure simple 
rewording amendment ideas organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host rocket stratus article foxvog douglas writes article stratus tavares writes article jrutledg ulowell john lawrence rutledge writes massive destructive power modern weapons makes cost accidental crimial usage weapons great weapons mass destruction control government individual access result needless deaths millions makes people bear modern weapons existant stating coming needless disagree count individuals weapons mass destruction find hard support neighbor nuclear weapons biological weapons nerve property agree keeping weapons mass destruction hands individuals hope sign blank checks doug foxvog weapons mass destruction means nukes sarah brady weapons mass destruction means street sweeper shotguns semi automatic rifles john lawrence rutledge weapons mass destruction immediately thousands people killed year handguns number easily reduced putting reasonable restrictions rutledge term stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
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batf murders waco today nntp posting host chopin udel organization university delaware lines article betz idbsu andrew betz writes article roby udel scott roby writes suppose prevented coming hands national cameras watch watch miles happenned explained vengeful filter humiliated agency quote happened people hands weeks scenario simplest plausible generally conspiracy theories involve complicated scenarios letters martin luther king wife insinuating affair trust supposedly benevolent government release children compound david koresh vernon howell jesus christ lengthy excerpts australian documentary made showed cult pleased batf handling affair bungled badly start responsible fire started places batf means devoid fault handling affair suggest intentionally started fire ludicrous suspect plenty camerapeople risk small arms fire good footage people told hell camera range drew betz idbsu brought terminal free state idaho outlaw rights outlaws rights spook fodder fema clinton gore insurrection semtex neptunium terrorist deuterium 
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burns dividian ranch survivors organization university houston administrative computing lines distribution world nntp posting host uhad admin news reader news reply handheld message handheld writes article hadcrjam miller jimmy writes handheld writes kikk radio houston survivors pitals jails including allegedly helped start fires briefing mention made fire starters custody yesterday yester catch conspiracy charges easily explained simple fact days instantaneous news transmission kinds stuff people hell story facts suddenly cries whitewash start naturally cover total isolation total isolation lawyer snuck time back inside times cluding final assualt mother media damnfino tend issue absolute statements viously wrong face tend inflame inform isolation significant total semper jammer miller texas university speak student billing system student billing system power finds stand stand ordinary emmet moore mike levine triumph 
murders burns dividian organization dixie communications public access mouth south lines handheld arras writes believed live embarrassment batf severe remember suspicion evasion warrant witnesses information filtered remote controlled pool camera installed building press able back story close video incurring risk press public complete lack source information concern sick stomach sicker government apologists concerned media complicity growing coverup imagine media outrage lawsuits investigations emit government media story republican administration initial blunder examine happened student human phychology area found techniques business negotiations puts firmly amateur ranks amateur thing sizing opponent psychological profile professionally profiles koresh koresh behavior emminently predictable typical people move civilization fight death preserve isolation typical koresh religious orientation individual interpret government assault apocalypse suicide acceptable alternative consumed apocalypse imho knew decided days concentrated initiate apocalypse chose action designed specifically push koresh edge publicly appearing acting knew koresh considered tanks chariots fire mentioned book revelations knew sending tanks oops combat engineering vehicles obstensibly perform insertions love newspeak push edge supporting evidence koresh attorney mentioned earlier today koresh major concern biblical role tanks stationed compound reno larry king night news conference morning claimed listening devices compound true knew actions driving brink knew pushing davidians mass suicide rational reasonable agency interested killing people sign preparations suicide pulled completely back armor continued insertion point flames appeared image remain etched mind tank strutting back front burning compound gloating kill step back assess thing ended bloodshed technique required enforcement agency interested constitutionally enforcing preservation life achieving military victory vengence nabbed koresh simply announced pull back abandoned assault torn concertina wire removed armor maintained covert surveillance compound exploited flush exploiting simple simple invite tabloid talk shows whipped government resisted nabbed left compound simple clean safe required execute tactical retreat deprived revenge sought totally question testesterone floating jannet reno show world balls yesterday american system sick soul john john armond interested high performance mobility performance engineering magazine interested high tech computers marietta send snail mail address perform free sample harvey oswald 
burns dividian ranch survivors lines article mfrhein michael frederick rhein writes article writes surprised post makes past censors short gorman assuming title woman stupid make post episode incrediblt sexist remark mike possessed make remark hope women reading incensed remember woman good women stand stupid fact insist oppurtunity stupid slow afternoon back report mega smileys humor impaired karl 
batf murders waco today nntp posting host chopin udel organization university delaware lines article handheld arras writes article roby udel scott roby writes agree deserved trial days trial chose children stay inside chose stay inside tear gassed find actions rational noriega smart give trial deserved roby government sucking heartless bastard unworthy comment humans died yesterday humans died actions undeniable truth cried died hands empty undeniable truth heart bleeds children released days ample opportunities heart bleeds people blinded religious devotion common sense leave compound tanks started dropping tear early morning deserved fire started place spread quickly wanted motion batf investigated justice dept arlen spectre congress good bungled affair start rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham 
mormons jews organization committee commemorate waco ghetto uprising lines article dbernard central writes gordon storga writes gentleman forgetting genocide native american barbaric heathen christian predominantly christian government years recall part religious persecution religion dictated lifestyle stretch fact great persecuted indians christian great simpler state obvious white people wanted land indians dominated threatened government cared hill beans indians religion native american girlfriend asks government care hill beans religion busting oregon washington places christian army marched church gunpoint michael mcclary mcclary faster response address electronic mail michael 
batf revenge organization university houston administrative computing lines distribution world nntp posting host uhad admin news reader news reply donb message donb writes waco affair interested peoples interpretations koresh people basically minding business weapons violations committed disapproved prosecuting violations batf criminal starting negotiations military style assault firing house children noncombatants leave token guard place wait approve tear approach caused fire started agent responsible spend years jail legal term negligent homicide koresh response tear kill hold largely responsible deaths nice brain general lack paranoia willingness thoughts public tend agree assume foul motives stupidity corrolary occam razor semper jammer miller texas university speak student billing system student billing system power finds stand stand ordinary emmet moore mike levine triumph 
letter david skaggs distribution organization storage technology corp lines originator vojak stortek nntp posting host icebucket stortek letter david skaggs letter sharp tone writting reasonable polite letters years return party line rated upsetting harm disagree recent events texas pissed april representative skaggs recently wrote outrage tactics bureau alcohol tobacco firearms batf texas response stated events texas underscore stricter control legislation guns hand groups branch davidians question grounds deny access firearms statement underscores apparent total ignorance subject highlights personal bias firearms paths control referencing talking access semi automatics firearms case point semi automatic firearms legal areas country including texas colorado addition members cult convicted crimes deny ability purchase weapons grounds deny guns religion fact live large group cult church cult line reasoning borders concept thought crimes robertson referring alleged fully automatic weapons possessed cult current fully automatic weapons covered strictest control laws nation david koresh illegally possessed circumvent strictest laws laws reported david koresh possessed federal firearms license permitted possess fully automatic weapons true people perished monday fire died federal government collect couple hundred dollars taxes guns david koresh declare heard claims stockpiling weapons number people complex weapons line ownership statistics texas siege dallas worth alleged stockpiling face david skaggs voted virtually control passed congress claim reasonable restrictions bull handgun control struggling maintain paid members exceeded members growing rate members driving district stickers years living bumper sticker vote reasonable control laws representing district representing sarah bradys william vojak april representative skaggs recently wrote outrage tactics bureau alcohol tobacco firearms batf texas response stated events texas underscore stricter control legislation guns hand groups branch davidians question grounds deny access firearms statement underscores apparent total ignorance subject highlights personal bias firearms paths control referencing talking access semi automatics firearms case point semi automatic firearms legal areas country including texas colorado addition members cult convicted crimes deny ability purchase weapons grounds deny guns religion fact live large group cult church cult line reasoning borders concept thought crimes robertson referring alleged fully automatic weapons possessed cult current fully automatic weapons covered strictest control laws nation david koresh illegally possessed circumvent strictest laws laws reported david koresh possessed federal firearms license permitted possess fully automatic weapons true people perished monday fire died federal government collect couple hundred dollars taxes guns david koresh declare heard claims stockpiling weapons number people complex weapons line ownership statistics texas siege dallas worth alleged stockpiling face david skaggs voted virtually control passed congress claim reasonable restrictions bull handgun control struggling maintain paid members exceeded members growing rate members driving district stickers years living bumper sticker vote reasonable control laws representing district representing sarah bradys william vojak bill vojak vojak stortek colorado firearms coalition nightly propaganda nightly propaganda biased 
randy weaver trial update nntp posting host gozer organization sigsauer club lines note trial updates summarized reports idaho statesman local affiliate television station ktvb channel randy weaver kevin harris trial update monday april trial synopsis government informant kenneth fadeley testified randy weaver sold shotguns violation national firearms district court judge edward lodge asks jurors hear accounts waco fire influences weaver harris case testimony special agent greg rampton apparently ended incident mentioned ktvb idaho statesman highlighted testimony kenneth fadeley posing outlaw biker illegal guns person named magiosono fadeley testified acting informant bureau alcohol tobacco firearms dealings randy weaver fadeley began stating weaver aryan nations summer conference hayden lake idaho october note huge separation time restaurant sandpoint idaho begin weapons transaction stated weaver felt weaver prepared dangerous white october restaurant city park make sale meeting fadeley wearing small recording device tape conversation weaver allegedly showed gauge shotgun inch barrel length inches additionally showed remington gauge shotgun inch barrel length inches requires minimums inches barrel length length inches tape weaver reported perform work machine shop discuss possibility future sales fadeley counts hundred dollars guns promises balance hundred fifty dollars meet note simply arrested wait january year arrest explained meeting place fadeley stated source hundred dollars hundred fifty promised point weaver suspected dealing informant spokane fadeley managed convince weaver idaho statesman states explicitly tapes made conversations randy weaver meetings recorded statesman reported tape telephone conversation involving vicki weaver randy weaver wife played court phone taps tapes played court headphones loudspeakers objections gerry spence weaver attorney spence ktvb reporter wanted make government proved case case rules randy weaver tore headphones wept heard wife voice tape district court judge edward lodge asked jurors hear accounts waco fire influences weaver harris case information affect trial explained notes sunday evening report ktvb kevin harris unnamed agents admit surprised kevin harris alive surprised survived initial gunshot wound sustained initial firefight junction randy weaver struck sniper fire sniper reported harris struck weaver finally report agent killed vicki weaver believed aiming kevin harris reported critics charging blatantly eliminate government witness deaths samuel weaver deputy marshal william degan local people harris survival simply divine intervention tuesday april sixth trial kenneth fadeley testimony scheduled continue 
clipper chip nntp posting host cunixf columbia reply columbia paul eric stoufflet organization columbia university distribution lines thought clipper chip posted lost original post joke work morning heard scares doublespeak emanating batf waco paul eric stoufflet columbia presbyterian medical center internet columbia opinions 
koresh nntp posting host cunixf columbia reply columbia paul eric stoufflet organization columbia university lines article umcc umich tyler writes hoping situation resolved property remain intact sell hundreds thousands dollars expenses incurred babysit krazy koresh flock sheep south american countries political undesirables disappeared family notice death bill disposal body apparently good idea federal government initiated action koresh followers surrounded days engaged psychological warfare heavy military equipment citizens soil compound caught fire pumping knocking holes building disavows responsibility brother paul eric stoufflet columbia presbyterian medical center internet columbia opinions 
organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host rocket stratus article donb baldwin writes hard letter received batf response bentsen search warrant arrest warrant check find arrest warrant issued firefight stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
blast time disclaimer public access unix system university denver denver community university control responsibility opinions users organization public access unix denver math dept distribution lines article oldham cwru daniel oldham writes happened waco fault batf proper equipment personal captured compound initial assault happened batf people weapons armored transports meet hostile fire able force retreating stand batf protect proper equipment people increased crime streets batf needed blast good fokes price order country good people died wars protect great country arms build waco needed compound mega fire power blasting killed women kids letting burn death days hope noble federal enforcers blown accidently governments goons cheer death childern sort person served death camp guard anderson acceptable substitute boulder brains silence rcanders solomon short satellite 
batf murders waco today organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host rocket stratus article kevin kevin vanhorn writes article roby udel scott roby writes escaped compound fire deliberately cult members correction escaped fire deliberately cult members press miles absolutely independent verification government claims matter batf admitted agents compound able ascertain agents compound shots fired people agents stay cook faithful assuming people question compound sound paranoid watched janet reno night harping david koresh child abuser wondering batf wanted infer jurisdiction accusations place positive sealed warrant child abuse peobably weapons violations janet reno word night weapons violations case longer believable stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host rocket stratus keywords nata thing article mhamilto kent lawnmowerman writes genocidal mass slaughter innocent people including children attention news oops forgot media part loves jump story facts manipulate majority children children supposed father makes bastard children sacraligious zeloit guess shooting kind babies sick bastard stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host rocket stratus article mfrhein michael frederick rhein writes napalm wood stove inside ignite pointed stove warm texas food cold stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
incompetent enforcement kill disclaimer public access unix system university denver denver community university control responsibility opinions users organization public access unix denver math dept lines siege waco started spokesman stressing unstable paranoid david koresh stressed branch davidians commit mass suicide concerned safety children defuse situation reassure koresh offer medical assistance offer supply water pump stoped working permit koresh communicate compound harass branch davidians powerful lights shining compound shut electrical power pump action assaulted ears loud noise communication limiting permitter stated goal pressure david koresh attempting koresh surrender hoping koresh followers attack tanks appears tactics employed drive koresh edge blame deaths shared federal experts tactics drove koresh edge fools planed raid stupidity incompetence batf leadership resulted needless death innocent people thing planned people alive today screwed caused death incompetent enforcement kill anderson acceptable substitute boulder brains silence rcanders solomon short satellite 
burns dividian ranch survivors nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article mike pelt writes article david veal writes cute koresh trail bodily assumed heaven make reno snort sorta doubt bodies time message doubtless found bunches interesting tunnel long killed people original raid laugh honest ryan 
control organization lines article graham washington stephen graham writes worth noting miller sustained miller conviction possession illegal firearm noting sawed shotgun proper militia weapon miller supports limited government regulation firearms supports basing regulations ignorance miller disappeared bothered present side supreme court sawed shotguns world trenches tight spots guns invented turn clean alley louis vegetarians kill 
blast time organization stratus computer lines distribution nntp posting host rocket stratus article oldham cwru daniel oldham writes batf people weapons armored transports meet hostile fire able force retreating stand batf protect proper equipment people batf collect taxes protect mine increased crime streets batf needed blast good fokes price order country flame bait flame bait send address batf automatic weapons stockpiled warm time stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
burn explode disclaimer public access unix system university denver denver community university control responsibility opinions users organization public access unix denver math dept lines released large amounts tear compound waco tear fine power inflammable grain dust suspended form explosive mixture suspended form explosive large quantities fueled rapid spread fire compound note directing followups talk politics guns anderson acceptable substitute boulder brains silence rcanders solomon short satellite 
blast time organization netcom line communication services guest newsreader version distribution lines thought unfortunate people branch dividians brainwashed hold candle daniel oldham oldham cwru wrote happened waco fault batf proper equipment personal captured compound initial assault happened batf people weapons armored transports meet hostile fire able force retreating stand batf protect proper equipment people increased crime streets batf needed blast good fokes price order country good people died wars protect great country arms build waco needed compound mega fire power blasting killed women kids letting burn death days 
director statement waco standoff organization node public access unix lines interests completeness thought readers newsgroups director william sessions statement released press office director statement waco standoff national desk contact federal bureau investigation press office washington april statement director william sessions branch davidian incident waco texas hoped making statement evening careful planning extensive preparation thought today efforts bring branch davidians compound result peaceful resolution stand meaningful negotiation faced devastation death question plan correct conducted extreme professionalism care applaud restraint shown agents face life threatening gunfire risking lives peacefully greatest admiration courage professionalism involved 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization university illinois urbana champaign lines article writes surprised post makes past censors monday april murder foul reporting write ignited buildings branch dividian ranch waco lies holes made walls lethal tear pumped minutes started thing buildings aflame escaped obvious armored flame thrower vehicles pump unlit napalm wood stove inside ignite minutes translates hours guess single source news agency failed mention davidians pouring kerosene lighting plain view murder small scale jones type suicide fire kool murderers butchers wrong pumping tear compound branch davidians apocolyptic faith compound fire killing children survived genocidal mass slaughter innocent people including children slaughter pity children young able make conscious choice predicted start sickens happen hoped wrong hoped shred america grew loved left alive wrong nazis wrong goodness suggest deep breath wait minutes posting make facts correct making allegations repeat time survivors repeated wrong branch davidians crosspost slaughter children crap crossposted creation personal opinions brent irvine irvine uiuc 
riddle organization distribution lines hand face full massive amounts able escape burning tinder ranch house assuming efforts happened adobe fortress hearing thought cult stronghold kgbatf knew tinderbox talking heads line start huffin puffin random 
riddle organization university maryland department electrical engineering lines distribution nntp posting host bree article fuller writes harmful gassing willpower stay inside indefinitely suffering health problems employed tunnels vietnam difference tear vietnam makes wretch hard stomach throat defend blowing cookies chuck harris chuck 
koresh organization dafco software support consulting lines explanations federal enforcement officials happened waco survivors writing history books light dave feustel beginning forward reaching allocation taxes interest national debt point federal government business lack funds 
cold nntp posting host gglover mitre organization mitre corporation mclean lines reasons united states america time represented protected freedom fact true totalitarianism represents freedom opposite cold standard disclaimers apply graham glover unmutual 
batf murders waco today nntp posting host chopin udel organization university delaware lines article betz idbsu andrew betz writes article roby udel scott roby writes watch miles happenned explained vengeful filter humiliated agency quote happened people hands weeks answer answer question people camera range engaging questionable activities feel cameras range cameras watched confrontation cameras watched banners cmaeras watched final confrontation tanks cameras watched fire cameras able watch cameras unable watch people coming hands question happened goon squad knocked asked politely weeks opposed playing rambo crew batf koresh peaceably past close apocalypse mind hard predict actions leader release children rational people answer question drew betz idbsu brought terminal free state idaho outlaw rights outlaws rights spook fodder fema clinton gore insurrection semtex neptunium terrorist deuterium 
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burns dividian ranch survivors organization lines nntp posting host concertina article irvine uiuc brent irvine writes article stratus tavares writes article mfrhein michael frederick rhein writes napalm wood stove inside ignite pointed stove warm texas food cold hear electric ovens microwaves popular electric stoves metro areas brent feds turned electricity couple weeks paying attention radio newspapers things important give left dieter salesman 
batf murders waco today nntp posting host chopin udel organization university delaware lines article stratus tavares writes article roby udel scott roby writes original question started fire madmen inside compound replied sanity level inside australian documentary made year stand began koresh followers believed christ koresh children women married compound perfect children resulting great seed magnified horn members describe ways dissimilar jones point noted submitted faith life batf clearance hurry deadline april paid taxes reference religion form comments meant address unstable children building tear start fire agents pass rigorous psychological examinations background checks charge undoubtedly explain decisions great detail congress fulfill koresh prophecy marks read scripted lines beats hell thoreau clue impossible make foolproof fools ingenious agree batf handled affair badly escaped compound fire deliberately cult members correction cult members able talk talk news reporters directly relate details recognize personally impostors national cameras point conflicting reports survivors wait light shed good eternal darkness stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
batf murders waco today nntp posting host chopin udel organization university delaware lines article fiddler steve writes article roby udel scott roby writes release children weeks inconsistent behavior people life physical requirements folks believed generally held standards surrounding community heck world morally wrong letting children abandoned godless unbelieving culture condeming eternal loss separation standards letting children abandoning fate literally worse death batf media people working issue suspect heads similar identical mode thinking realize physically reason long time point view wall apparently love kids abandon godless bunch outsiders result horribly twisted perceived koresh nutcase bunch people paid batf miscalculated misunderstood word reminds movie rapture things important give left dieter salesman 
batf murders waco today organization dafco software support consulting lines unfortunate japanese tradition hari kari public officials salvage tatters honor commit offenses humanity perpetrated waco texas today dave feustel beginning forward reaching allocation taxes interest national debt point federal government business lack funds 
burns dividian ranch survivors steiner utoledo jason steiner nntp posting host jupiter utoledo newsreader version lines brent irvine irvine uiuc writes stratus tavares writes mfrhein michael frederick rhein writes napalm wood stove inside ignite pointed stove warm texas food cold hear electric ovens microwaves popular electric stoves metro areas electricity natural wonderful government power people besieging dumb acting sake argument jason true love cough drops princess bride book william goldman steiner utoledo 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization diego state university college sciences lines nntp posting host nosc newsreader version brent irvine irvine uiuc wrote failed mention davidians pouring kerosene lighting plain view brent waiting evidence fire started talking davidians pouring kerosene stop stove lamp knocked started fire davidians pouring water wrong solution doubt states mind standing davidians setting place fire case town microwave ovens work electricty facts post time chiu 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization university illinois lines distribution world nntp posting host cheetah uiuc article irvine uiuc brent irvine writes napalm wood stove inside ignite pointed stove warm texas food cold hear electric ovens microwaves popular electric stoves metro areas microwaves work electricity engineer personal opinions brent irvine irvine uiuc jeff strait strait uiuc university illinois phone ladies leave island survive basic recruit training weapon minister death praying 
mormons jews organization apple computer osbu cross platform software lines nntp posting host apple article uchicago writes article freenet john redelfs writes brother rubbed minority religion waco mormons jews koreshians rubbed mormons jews propensity dousing kerosene concerned blame jones government straight created automatic weapon government level force enforce matter entire population planet destroyed long obeyed read correctly 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host rocket stratus article irvine uiuc brent irvine writes pointed stove warm texas food cold hear electric ovens microwaves popular electric stoves metro areas work feds utilities stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization hand held products lines distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld article irvine uiuc brent irvine writes article stratus tavares writes article mfrhein michael frederick rhein writes napalm wood stove inside ignite pointed stove warm texas food cold hear electric ovens microwaves popular electric stoves metro areas brent shows ignorance power weeks lived rural area thinks electric stoves favor stop working power fails power restoration slower country city stoves ovens prefered personal opinions brent irvine irvine uiuc rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham 
batf murders waco today organization hand held products lines distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld article roby udel scott roby writes article betz idbsu andrew betz writes article roby udel scott roby writes suppose prevented coming hands national cameras watch watch miles happenned explained vengeful filter humiliated agency quote happened people hands weeks happen scenario simplest plausible generally conspiracy theories involve complicated scenarios letters martin luther king wife insinuating affair trust supposedly benevolent government release children compound authority worshiper david koresh vernon howell jesus christ lengthy excerpts australian documentary made showed cult give camera time present excerpts show cult leader guarenteed view documentary claim source pleased batf handling affair bungled badly start responsible fire started places places wonderful place batf means devoid fault handling affair suggest intentionally started fire ludicrous suspect plenty camerapeople risk small arms fire good footage people told hell camera range answer important question root suspicion drew betz idbsu brought terminal free state idaho outlaw rights outlaws rights spook fodder fema clinton gore insurrection semtex neptunium terrorist deuterium rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham 
pill deer hunting organization lines article stratus tavares writes article ifas writes good neighborhoods good person armed teeth attitude cooperation good neighborhoods residents make aware neighbors notice strangers lurking good neighborhoods form groups crime watch increase effect relative effectiveness police hostiles arrested good neighbors step officer robbing jones house works lands good neighbors dance card wave drive told story gangs moving phoenix misplaced copy newsgroups talk politics guns politics path psinntp uunet barr ames haven darwin sura wupost csus netcom mike pelt subject difference armed civilian population makes message date organization netcom online communication services guest references lines lines armed citizen story find amusing story arizona house hunting leslie fish musician author reasons planning move arizona lousy economy race problems simmering religious problems hopelessly government arizona lowest violent crime rates country coincidence arizona remaining control states country funny story time phoenix staying burnham checking local real estate market discovered income provable returns qualify income housing loan book exception astonishing local market paper offered bedroom house phoenix area ready money month total payments christ harley davidson called real estate office making offer made clear checking local market asked house walls roof foundation structurally sound plumbing electrical systems functional code conditioning system absolute necessity phoenix work wrong house needed lots plastering painting yard work patching roof interest repair loans wrong selling bedroom house squirms agent kind neighborhood remembering neighborhoods chicago oakland worst city agent sighs told amazing story years vice gangs angeles notice gang presence phoenix quick hour drive idea setting subsidiary couple years colonizing force neighborhood poor spanish figured move bought house started operations neighbors didn care whores trotting streets night pimps soliciting kids dope deals corners broad daylight afraid neighbors called cops reason phoenix police remarkably honest capable polite prompt cops promptly swept whores pimps pushers street jail remaining gang members decided retaliate fashion complainant address court records drive shooting house angeles moment neighbors heard gunshots fired front doors guns rifles shotguns pistols shot back make block coasted stop riddled holes famous bonnie clyde getaway display casino casino vegas tank fuel lines ruptured caught fire neighbors waited good minutes making called fire department fire wreck time asphalt melted caught fire subsequently left large nasty hole street city slow repairing small streets hole stayed providing traffic hazard months years agent concluded trouble house neighborhood reputation house cheap hearing story laughed told agent money moment house compared neighborhoods california drive shootings unchecked armed cops unarmed neighbors absolute worst find phoenix city difference armed civilian population makes mike pelt guns outlawed carl rowan guns lsil 
mormons jews organization university illinois lines distribution world nntp posting host cheetah uiuc article earlw earl wallace writes koreshians rubbed mormons jews propensity dousing kerosene concerned blame jones government silly make statement fifteen minutes fire started official word headquaters committed suicide logical lantern story credibility pretend happened clinton jeff strait strait uiuc university illinois phone impeach klinton 
change reply gatech message organization columbia university lines norway telling place wanna splain guess norway survived reich give hint passive resistance danes politician complimentary word nowadays vidkun quisling quisling examples steve 
silly outdated bill koresh miranda organization lines article andy stanford andy freeman writes article awesley oakland awesley writes confirmed sniper sauter hines nightmare detroit rebellion sources sauter hines congressional hearings newspaper folk admitted reports completely wrong excuses understandable amount gross negligence lied followup normal behavior newsie followup news pleased accept life membership national rifle association extend organization good continued success president john kennedy march 
reasonable criminals civie arms limits organization unisys corporation lines article ifas writes poster claims asks anti gunners reasonable personal firepower restrictions caliber greater muzzle greater combo bullet action single shot rifles single action revolvers revolvers bearing rounds incorporating anti fanning mechanism discourage rogers wannabes bullets explosive variety fine specs leave magnum powerful allowable civie cartridge handgun rifle effective home intruders muggers rabid wolves nasties firearm type limitations time caliber power limit reduce ultimate lethality hits suspect lethal typical assault weapon wrong compared criminals military ammo fmjs military rifle extremely rare military ammo fmjs magnum civie bullets lethal arms criminals military lethal arms existance punish criminal leave abiding citizen recient times work 
address summary address bear anti tank weapons keywords waco rkba lines email usnail address write letter encouraging emphatically amendment restored form founding fathers intended people howard metzenbaum intent diluting amendment point effort governmentski waco federalist papers kind tyranny amendment supposed designed protect honestly tanks civilian population attack helicopters bear anti tank weapons intend mass armour weakly armed civilian population field tactical nukes government tyranny thought happen house tanks suspects child abuse mine illegal weapon show amendment designed tanks government serving naah time armour attack helicopters small countries amounts busload half civilians jews stop catholics stop catholic lutherans left stop martin niemoller verbatim idea reads mind address save james barker portland state university barker 
batf murders waco today organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host rocket stratus article roby udel scott roby writes article stratus tavares writes article roby udel scott roby writes original question started fire madmen inside compound replied sanity level inside argument make started questionable premise fire necessarily insanity negligence accident recall survivor claims fire started tank knocked kerosene lamp kind makes arguments relative sanity moot australian documentary made year stand began koresh followers believed christ koresh children women married compound perfect children resulting great seed magnified horn members describe ways dissimilar jones point noted submitted faith life batf clearance hurry deadline april paid taxes reference religion form nice evasive maneuver chekov tail plainly complaints david koresh religious sexual proclivities justified armed raid bureau alcohol tobacco firearms escaped compound fire deliberately cult members talk news reporters directly relate details recognize personally impostors national cameras fetched compound inside compound forget batf admits agents inside compound case point conflicting reports survivors wait light shed good eternal darkness simply devil advocate reasonable doubt boatload standing totally swallowing official government story waco stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
batf murders waco today organization university texas austin austin lines nntp posting host louie utexas roby udel scott roby writes mikey utexas strider writes australian documentary made year stand began koresh followers believed christ koresh children women married compound perfect children resulting great seed magnified horn members describe ways dissimilar jones accurate documentary koresh convicted crimes children batf child abuse purview case strictly firearms violations information irrelevant discussion agents pass rigorous psychological examinations background checks charge undoubtedly explain decisions great detail congress fulfill koresh prophecy charge undoubtedly explain answers remotely resembles truth left alive care prophecy fulfilled holds meaning survived correction cult members able talk talk news reporters directly relate details confirm story mike ruff thine mikey utexas true polonius sacrifice essential liberties temporary safety deserve liberty safety franklin 
guns good riddance organization oklahoma state university lines article ifas loosing question vote considered abomination matter hard public opinion rkba irrational fools rkba plenty people support finish clinton administration rkba null void tough titty government overthrown long huge millitia composed women care country defeat forces evil klintonistas people prevail armed citizens overthrow government enforcement officials members armed forces turn people entrusted serve count people army marines force navy national guard police officers joining defend liberties freedoms american citizens count government able disarm starting civil discover ways make firearms number cases firearms abuses ruined live sword press public voting public flow history surrender arms officers collect wrong people hide guns officers jack booted stormtroopers able find resistance useless overwhelm time neighbors threat abstract criminal idiots realize including describe coming guns disarming citizens require cherished freedoms liberties suspended temporarily restored people fucking violent solutions passe avoid situations encourage criminals safe scott kennedy brewer patriot david koresh cheap thug interprets bible barrel spokesman cheap thug interprets constitution barrel 
amendment dead good organization oklahoma state university lines article ifas millions cases firearms deter criminals alas provable cases provable million americans year defend firearms cases defender fire shot mere presence oftentimes deterrent needed violence anymore taking americans bear arms solution violent crime problem country honest abiding citizens unable firearms preyed criminals able acquire guns illegal channels expect start crime syndicates smuggle drugs country start smuggling guns happen plenty economic incentive gangsters illegaly import guns country guns banned klintonistas bulk firarems unworthy unnesessary opponents posessa cool jakcet argue parking space woman short trivial worthless statistics favor ruined recovery future federal martials arms dangerous thinking criminal fault previous post straight amendment dead accept find people bear arms matter constitution means amendment repealed people american citizens bear arms scott kennedy brewer patriot david koresh cheap thug interprets bible barrel spokesman cheap thug interprets constitution barrel 
batf murders waco today organization hand held products lines distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld article roby udel scott roby writes article handheld arras writes article roby udel scott roby writes agree deserved trial days trial chose children stay inside chose stay inside tear gassed find actions rational noriega smart give trial deserved roby government sucking heartless bastard unworthy comment apparently true opinion humans died yesterday humans died actions undeniable truth cried died hands empty undeniable truth planned happen gunfire heard keeping folks inside proposing point undeniable walked yesterday alive today heart bleeds children released days ample opportunities heart bleeds people blinded religious devotion common sense leave compound tanks started dropping tear early morning heart bleeds bleeding heart doubt feel people heartless things deserved fire started place spread quickly wanted motion wanted kind creature batf investigated justice dept arlen spectre congress good bungled affair start agree lets investigated rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham 
boston back nntp posting host lines mpetro myron petro writes miller wrote question authorities sponsors buyback programs check stolen weapons answer total amnesty good point registration schemes harassment deleted point receiving stolen property pawn shop owner thing myron petro uspsa opinions included post sole responsibility protected amendment guarnteed amendment interesting idea locality back program instituted list guns received compare serial numbers list stolen guns people responsible program guns destroyed criminal charges made receiving stolen property destruction private property 
apples apples lawful unlawful guns harvard john distribution world organization harvard university science center nntp posting host scws harvard lines convinced americans effective defense strikes rkba arguments presented numbers comparing hundreds thousands million instances abiding citizens deterring criminal activity valid likewise number caused homicides year year surprising evil antigun empire darth vader breathing sound effect compare legitimate defenses crimes legitimate defenses includes cases criminals shot killed cases criminal criminal homicides includes case victim died unreasonable crime measured involving guns consequnces safe assume based bank robbery week suddenly turn basd robbery homicide legitimate defenses assume criminals deterred committed crime crimes deterred case harvard 
organization olde bailey houston lines reply wray sccsi wray nntp posting host utexas mark wilson responding tavares laws exist penalties prosecuted laws traded easy pleas laws books traded order guilty plea effect liberty enforcing imposing prescribed penalty hose citizens madness takes toll exact change olde bailey houston texas sccsi home cosuard 
american express card organization hand held products lines distribution nntp posting host dale handheld article jason kratz writes article andy stanford andy freeman shooting range gang members practicing shooting gang members undercover cops abiding menacing minorities sneer quotes area shop shooting range border west side chicago gang infested area things area friends live close area problems folks minorities phrasing black deny deny minorities gangs quotes concerned totally obvious practicing marksmanship practice marksmanship taking coat fast start shooting recommended practice good defense rapidly andy obvious prejudice made obvious live gang bangers live long pretty easy spot gang colors gang signs prejudice subtle north thing sister social worker makes point find things gang signs colors interest nice things watch live border west side city understand completely jason rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham 
luser organization random misconfigured site posted iamac georgetown nntp posting host columbia lines awesley wrote entire point claim heard witness descriptions tanks main guns respond sniper fire effectively wrong heard descriptions paying attention mentioned tanks eyes main firing account heard helps people judge kick words bullshit filters stating claimed falsehood post part memories damaged building burnt rubble based remember inclined sarge fine stating claims inclined stronger statement beliefs claims ludicrous previously awesley written read troops grenade launchers prompting write fire fragmentary grenades doubt fire concussion grenades fire tear perfectly fired frags makes claim plausible awesley replied john strawman techniques feel losing stretch knock read fired side scoring boring mention grenade launchers supports notion tanks shelled buildings supports notion conjures images troops launching fragmentary grenades ludicrous wrote tanks fired main guns detroit people screaming past half decades awesley relied glad expert nice hear authority basis knowledge happened authority people scream alleged massive cover number people killed detroit riot claimed dead offical number concise columbia encyclopedia heard things dare repeat assert claimed truth happened heard army tanks fire cannons american cities common knowledge minority leaders seizing condemning civil libertarians hearing basis disbelieving claim reasons disbelieve poster written lived detroit time knew tanks fired shells usenet happened remember research failed support claim claim extraordinary supporting evidence extraordinary count brags couple guardsmen shooting shit wrote claim national guard managed cover awesley wrote taking tour riots pretty easy difference army guard troops recall years recall army running tanks army cover quibble fine army cover years reserves taught difference half decades guilt ridden participant forward shelled americans gave orders fire cannons helped cover wrote mind open good prefer live reality reality find hard tanks shells fired awesley replied level destruction detroit fire guns good drop junk claiming belief fails basic reality check awesley concludes bored shit bothered read managed account cited established boring yield word impunity dropping subject john scott 
pology luser organization random misconfigured site posted iamac georgetown nntp posting host columbia lines shocked subject rely awesley luser intention meant leave subject line unchanged nntp server columbia subject line protest problems header rude beggars choosers suppose case apologize awesley apparent insult john scott 
gritz liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian nntp posting host spino soar organization school computer science carnegie mellon lines article writes note gritz populist party ticket david duke veep found duke leading ticket withdrew candidacy gritz gave chance vice president aviod supporting duke call giving chance vice president chance populist party ticket winning essentially imply duke robert 
apples apples lawful unlawful guns originator reply michael phelps organization kingston lines article harvard john writes convinced americans effective defense strikes rkba arguments presented numbers comparing hundreds thousands million instances abiding citizens deterring criminal activity valid likewise number caused homicides year year surprising evil antigun empire darth vader breathing sound effect compare legitimate defenses crimes legitimate defenses includes cases criminals shot killed cases criminal criminal homicides includes case victim died unreasonable crime measured involving guns consequnces safe assume based bank robbery week suddenly turn basd robbery homicide legitimate defenses assume criminals deterred committed crime crimes deterred attempt show lives saved lives lost related crimes result lives lost hand impossible successful defenses prevented lives lost words lives lost pretty clear homicide negligent manslaughter number lives saved percentage successful defenses percentage real high show lives saved lives lost semi related point check kleck point blank related areas written informative case harvard michael phelps external internal kgnvmy disclaimer opinions mine 
insane toting wackos unite summary backcountry distribution lines fcrary colorado frank crary university colorado boulder animal attacks murders year manner suggest murders killings wacko wrong worse rapes aggravated assaults year numbers make violent attacks preventing thousands times significant accidents worried stats invalid talking backcountry stats rapes assaults deaths represent backcountry singularly great majority represent urban incidents pointed 
control organization interactive media group university massachusetts lowell lines article cescript charles scripter writes mention regulated militia confuses federalist paper regulated militia defined structure nationally uniform regulations read federalist papers reread federal deals exclusively regulated malitia character oblige great body yeomanry classes citizens arms purpose military exercises evolutions acquire degree perfection entitle character regulated militia talks regulated militia nationally uniform structure disipline note quote paragraph states aimed respect people large properly armed equipped order neglected assemble year knew organization required training large group poeple year people year provide basic training people integrated force find suitable location requires continually standing committee organizers regulate militia nationally uniform structure disipline meet year train claim regulated militia organized concide organized militia necessarily regulated militia people stated organized militia defined states militia united states consists able bodied males years provided section title years made declaration intention citizens united states female citizents united states commissioned officers national guard deos define militia adjective regulated define regualed militia shape form defines part regulated militia federalist papers define regualed militia proper subset militia paragraph quoted talk disciplining militia united states character regulated militia paragraph states costs form annual deduction productive labor country amount calculating present numbers people fall short expense civil establishments states attempt thing abridge mass labor industry considerable extent unwise experiment made succeed long endured quote provide charles scripter james madison federalist paper general welfare clause natural common general phrase explain qualify recital particulars phrase people bear arms infringed qualify explain phrase regulated militia security free state definition explain stated american hertitage dictionary enlish language college edition make plain comprehensible remove obscruity elucidate economists undertook explain puzzle define explicate expound explained plan offer reasons answer justify explain error phrase explain phrase qualify definition qualify describe enumerating characteristics qualities characterize make competent suitable office position task give legal power make legally capable modify limit restrict giving exceptions make harsh severe moderate grammar modify meaning word phrase people bear arms infringed describe modify make harsh grammar sort position task process elimination fall definition deals legal power thing constitution correct definition case people bear arms legal power regualated militia legal power infringed scripter provided evidence amendment concerns itseft people form regulate militia untrained person bear caliber machine totally untrained firearm personly meant correct safety joining club legally machine conclude courts democraticly elected congress agree category rutledge means destroy liberties rights destory liberties rights participate discussion libertues rights force version liberties rights begining statements liberties rights amendment states expressions states intend force views effort force views destory liberties rights state written write matter liberties rights final word person final word liberties rights cleary irrevocably belongs modern document john lawrence rutledge smart index hyper links stretching research assistant world data terribly frustrating flip back interactive media group pages crude flat illustrations computer science department moved animated umass lowell arrows zoom completely lacked university sound lowell baffling problem words normal text touch unfamiliar word definition jrutledg ulowell david brin earth 
handgun restrictions originator ernie lines nntp posting host ferris cray organization cray research superservers distribution billand subject handgun restrictions newsgroups talk politics guns reply organization cray research article write restrictions purchasing handguns waiting periods background check states nevada oregon bill bill anderson billand oregon background check fingerprints full slap waiting period requirments meet ernie smith ernie cray 
armed citizen april nntp posting host hound reply crphilli dazixca ingr organization intergraph electronics mountain view distribution lines article kendall loral colin kendall writes article crphilli dazixca ingr writes armed citizen mere presence firearm shot fired prevents crime instances shown news reports armed citizen note accounts cited shot fired twelve cases assailant wounded shot cases assailant killed shot citizens accepted moral responsibility protect lives innocent victims lying dead criminals walking streets perpetrating crimes phillips crphilli dazixca ingr senior customer engineer intergraph electronics east evelyn avenue voice mountain view 
control organization computer science engineering washington seattle article stratus tavares writes article graham washington stephen graham writes article stratus tavares writes john public supreme court ruled cases miller verdugo urquidez amendment protects interpretation found back dred scott case worth noting miller sustained miller conviction possession illegal firearm noting sawed shotgun proper militia weapon noted claimed proper militia weapon wars true miller lawyer appeared court sustain miller conviction text case handy shotguns spanish american civil question possession sawed shotgun weapon altered improve concealibility miller supports limited government regulation firearms arguing road abide consequences find abiding common weapon militia purpose handguns sawed shotguns fully automatic weapons fact decision free produce evidence abide implications heartedly endorse position oppose rkba attitude makes unpopular stephen graham graham washington beaver june graham 
luser nntp posting host vaxc reply organization rochester institute technology established boring yield word impunity dropping subject john scott kind 
guns backcountry nntp posting host neptune convex organization engineering convex computer corp richardson disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines article freenet john gever writes reading group actual honest experience violent crime backcountry shenandoah valley woodstock virginia wife friend wife kids hiking totally desolate mountain area sudden large rocks began raining punks gleefully letting loose rocks obvious stash couple hundred feet women kids screaming running cover punks shrieking laughter friend yelled knock responded friend drew pistols fired couple times trees heads pound rocks coming heads proceeded journey friend evolve violent level experiencing guess harder understand cope anger society instilled driving things guess cross bear brad 
talk legislative update states keywords talk nntp posting host distribution lines viking sorenson writes larry cipriani writes iowa firearm related bills dead senate file dealing duty police officers carrying concealed remains viable power word processor stamp work fact state generally lives miles constituent hurt particulars senate file bill deny duty police carrying concealed information iowa discretionary permit policy police duty carry concealed inclined oppose duty police officers rights civilians policy prevents abiding citizens armed defense duty police officer treated differently 
carrying arms nntp posting host organization america radio software dept distribution lines article dwhite spdc white writes lost bear arms states texas citizen carry home business citizen severely restricted bearing areas texas carry traveling defined traveling county line court rulings legality restricting carrying weapon home texas legal carry handguns traveling sporting activities chapter texas state penal code restrict long guns legal carry transport long guns place texas clay 
batf murders waco today organization university texas austin austin lines distribution world nntp posting host louie utexas handheld arras writes towing party line outcast committed ultimate college student heresy liberal liberal bashing mike thine mikey utexas true polonius sacrifice essential liberties temporary safety deserve liberty safety franklin 
burns dividian ranch update distribution lines liberal weenies woodwork defend burning children drooled watching coverage nazi germany yeah claims media survivors number vary minute minute 
mormons jews distribution world lines minor point interest earlier news reports claim quoting governor texas holiness referred dividians mormons called expulsion texans details 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization university illinois urbana lines steiner utoledo jason steiner writes hear electric ovens microwaves popular electric stoves metro areas electricity natural wonderful government power people besieging dumb acting sake argument jason electrical power find idea davidians calmly cooking lunch masks knocks buildings credible discussion relevant started made wholly unsubstantiated allegation wood stove nited napalm shot buildings groveling apoligist feds wild cusations ridiculous obfuscate legitimate criticism conduct affair gift tomgift uiuc 
burns dividian ranch update organization colorado springs division lines distribution nntp posting host fajita case panics realizes made complete fool front thousands netters backs earlier rash statements mercy 
nntp posting host spot colorado organization university colorado boulder distribution lines comments botched handling case enyone heard leader recon leader assult objective changed affect mission freshman cadets rotcland part cold ground hour heard hired local rotc andrew diederich diederic colorado opinions mine alternate tuesdays 
impeach clinton reno summary civil rights violations keywords confession reply glenns gatech organization group bench lines fact janet reno bill clinton admitted responsibility grief deaths waco fact started fire things tape make civil rights case cruel unusual punishment dying tortured rabbits tape mind fact federal felony infringe civil rights color death involved offense carries penalty life prison fact impeachment allowable high crimes misdemeanors federal felony qualify conclusion choice honest people impeach clinton remove reno office glenn stone glenns gatech wearer asbestos underoos 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization university texas austin austin lines distribution world nntp posting host louie utexas stratus tavares writes mfrhein michael frederick rhein writes pointed stove warm texas food cold pointing obvious people missed stand people reaction defend aggressor tavares unique thoughtful heart matter putting good mike ruff thine mikey utexas true polonius sacrifice essential liberties temporary safety deserve liberty safety franklin 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization university texas austin austin lines nntp posting host louie utexas irvine uiuc brent irvine writes glenns gatech writes gang duck hunting dark alleys black clad helmeted booted troops storming houses violating civil rights color ready defend constitution crazy fatigue clad survivalist types blasting snot people accidentally stray land defense count dead government action killed year manner facts silly forgot guns stinkin facts righteous toter smug hater mike ruff thine mikey utexas true polonius sacrifice essential liberties temporary safety deserve liberty safety franklin 
mormons jews organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host rocket stratus article writes minor point interest earlier news reports claim quoting governor texas holiness referred dividians mormons called expulsion texans details davidians year splinter seventh adventists information stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host rocket stratus article tomgift uiuc gift writes electrical power find idea davidians calmly cooking lunch masks knocks buildings credible quickly woodstove heat cold start mine takes hours discussion relevant started made wholly unsubstantiated allegation wood stove nited napalm shot buildings prepared provide heat light weeks power means compound contained containers flammable liquids gases busted tank intrusion ignition sources time groveling apoligist feds wild cusations ridiculous obfuscate legitimate criticism conduct affair contrary proposing alternate scenarios people coming wild conclusions feds absolutely positive fire started position stories hear prisoners hourly stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
firearms questions organization university wisconsin milwaukee lines nntp posting host couple questions firearms experts question state firearms lawbook wisconsin unlawful person peace officer armed concealed dangerous weapon statutory provision obtaining lixense permit carry concealed weapon jury instructions armed firearm person control open carry allowed open pants holster considered concealing jacket partially covered weapon allowed carry concealed allowed period question understand evanston ordinance banning handguns provision penalty found handgun defensive shooting apartment city apply impending trial shooting state short barreled weapons short barreled shotgun interested handgun shortened carbine colt marlin thing chance permit rich famous related mayor send replies mail things piling faster handle steve syck syck 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization university texas austin austin lines nntp posting host louie utexas irvine uiuc brent irvine writes stratus tavares writes mfrhein michael frederick rhein writes pointed stove warm texas food cold hear electric ovens microwaves popular electric stoves metro areas einstein electric stove microwave electricity shut weeks courtesy local assault squad foot mouth crowbar assist mike ruff thine mikey utexas true polonius sacrifice essential liberties temporary safety deserve liberty safety franklin 
guns good riddance organization university texas austin austin lines distribution world nntp posting host louie utexas stratus tavares writes ifas writes surrender arms officers collect resistance useless borg warner haahahahahahahahahahahaha absolutely fabulous fell chair laughing wonderful tavares mike ruff thine mikey utexas true polonius sacrifice essential liberties temporary safety deserve liberty safety franklin 
batf murders waco today organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host rocket stratus article roby udel scott roby writes happened people hands weeks answer question suggestion cameras panning planted automatic weapons show trial medals valiant forces lawn order stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
burns dividian ranch survivors nntp posting host ucsu colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article auerbach writes women stand stupid attorney general determined past days hopes king beating reduce public confidince enforcement tactics tear driving tanks walls waco intended peacefull solution crisis tactics intended prevent mass suicide expected sect react killing comforting clinton choice frank crary boulder 
raid justification blast time distribution nntp posting host zeppelin convex organization instrumentality disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines article chiu nosc francis chiu writes initial assault compound wooden farm house burned ground started caused fire happened honestly justify initial assault handled properly listening clock news channel dallas trotted list justifications produced months investigation raid junk list accused stockpiling bunch ammunition assault rifles imagine ammunition aluminum dust yeah component thermite heard illegal grinder aluminum lawn furniture thing list conceivably illegal grenade launcher months investigation people died welt alles zerfall peter cash apologies ludwig wittgenstein cash 
burns dividian ranch update distribution organization govt systems electronics lines article writes liberal weenies woodwork defend burning children drooled watching coverage nazi germany yeah claims media survivors number vary minute minute 
burns dividian ranch survivors article tenu organization north dakota higher education computing network lines nntp posting host plains nodak shed light fire widely reported witnesses folks starting fires reported fires broke places rules bradley knocking lamp discussion incident moves made proper problems tactics watching special tonight nightline question actions koresh compound time raid wait resulted outcome actions blaring loudspeakers action questions actions general proper reservations point janet reno balls ahead full responsibility waffle problems figuring stood issue 
control nntp posting host whale organization university southern mississippi lines literate erudite individual rutledge discuss topic frankly anti rkba posters refuse approach topic original understanding bill rights detailed writings refreshing apologize leaving discussion days brigade quarterly drill weekend needed attend matters pertaining state militia people feel concept militia anachro nism place century swiss agree discussion militia organized unorganized fits defense plans state mississippi assume describes peculiar southern state instance commonwealth massachusetts organized militia members report maintains stocks riot guns machine guns laws states vary similar title mississippi code defines militia able bodied citizens state ages seventeen sixty years militia divided classes national guard mississippi state guard unorganized militia national guard strange sort fish constitutional perspective state militia federal reserve discussion para constitutional arrangement interesting scope discussion suffice date national guard ceased constitutional standing federal reserve force mississippi states maintains purely state organized militia mississippi called state guard states called state guard exists cadre training corps made experienced officers senior ncos serve volunteers compensation drill monthly basis company battalion level brigade quarter annual drill organization state authorized cadre strength skeleton organization flesh muscle sinew needed unorganized militia time invasion insurrection calamity governor order activation state guard takes place call made volunteers fill organization contingency strength full strength event sufficient number people fail volunteer detailed instructions conducting draft unorganized militia size state guard executive order time organized militia mississippi consisted regiments needless state armories brimming weapons equip force historical precedent arming force private arms militiamen hope demonstrates state militias long dead anachronisms claim simple stated people join organized militia stated militia meets year organized state readiness claimed people state readiness expected militia stated hamilton hamilton hamilton opinion sole representative opinions founding fathers chosen highly skewed sample hamilton extreme federalist political spectrum coxe henry chosen represent contemporaries felt idea standing army sort select militia train bands contrary egalitarian nature govern ment striving perfect compromise reached provide small army refinanced years iron clad protection militia remain terrible irresistible protections included state control federal limitation federal utilization militia execute laws suppress insurrections repel invasions bear arms prevent british lexington limitations eventually proved onerous federal govern ment skirted creation national guard national guard created simple reason constitutional militia proved unreliable fighting wars imperial expansion spanish american constitution provided militia employed federal government limited purposes back militia units refused leave united states territory attack enemy constitutional authorization conscription federal military militiamen protected wars american left country arms volunteer national guard acts required member enlist reservest army existing soldiers grandfathered grandfathered individuals refused france refusal upheld federal courts rutledge stated amendment applies members organized militia constitutional history american militia shows periods militia close meeting messrs rutledge hamilton definition organized period peace french indian revolution companies simply stopped drilling reconstituted prior revolution rutledge care argue ancestors answered lexington alarm forfeited rights units drill years bold repeat national guard merits militia constitution hamilton henry coxe fact federal government states delinquent attentions organizing constitutional militias diminishes responsibilities rights militia detailed constitution misunderstanding nature purpose militia error crept modern readings constitution constitution prohibits states keeping troops ships time peace heard insist prevents states maintaining militia people today understand meanings words century usage today call large vessel ship century word kind vessel ship large vessel masts carrying square rigged sails brig masts contemporary usage states prohibited keeping largest warships capable global operations today equivalent prohibition states keeping nuclear missiles troops time meant full time professional military organization study contemporaneous writings bear respect agreement rutledge personally involved maintenance advancement militia viable means defense modern society frequently bemused saddened friends associates poetic place unorganized militia strangely silent scarce invited attend drill state militia donald newcomb university southern mississippi dnewcomb spend dnewcomb spend democrats office 
riddle nntp posting host ucsu colorado organization university colorado boulder distribution lines article fuller writes harmful sensitive caring janet reno tear large concentrations dangerous toxic small children makes supposedconcern safety children hypocritical frank crary boulder 
batf murders waco today nntp posting host chopin udel organization university delaware lines article handheld arras writes article roby udel scott roby writes article betz idbsu andrew betz writes article roby udel scott roby writes suppose prevented coming hands national cameras watch watch miles happenned explained vengeful filter humiliated agency quote happened people hands weeks happen responsible happening children koresh calling shots talking lawyer released safely sane reason keeping children inside compound scenario simplest plausible generally conspiracy theories involve complicated scenarios letters martin luther king wife insinuating affair trust supposedly benevolent government release children compound authority worshiper koresh worshiper david koresh vernon howell jesus christ lengthy excerpts australian documentary made showed cult give camera time present excerpts show cult leader guarenteed laugh silly supposition view documentary claim source news show showed lengthy excerpts interviews filmmaker made documentary basically confirmed shown excerpts time spent compound pleased batf handling affair bungled badly start responsible fire started places places wonderful place reported local radio reporters site fire started story tower time story window shown coverage batf means devoid fault handling affair suggest intentionally started fire ludicrous suspect plenty camerapeople risk small arms fire good footage people told hell camera range couldn answer important question root suspicion thought mentioning reagan military treated press grenada precedent decided worthy discussion news reporter shot family government letting danger area root suspicion mind people flee building numerous exits minutes time burn flee hours earlier tear introduced find rational explanation behavior 
cold organization hand held products lines distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld article glover mitre graham glover writes reasons united states america time represented protected freedom fact true totalitarianism absolute government control tyranny represents freedom opposite cold hope yelsen spell fail referendum hard liners standard disclaimers apply graham glover unmutual rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham 
riddle nntp posting host ucsu colorado organization university colorado boulder distribution lines article chuck chuck harris writes employed tunnels vietnam tear vietnam makes wretch hard stomach throat defend blowing cookies exposure results projectile vomiting loss essentially muscle control inability concentrate rationally fatal reactions significant fraction population reason limited military applications frank crary boulder 
batf murders waco today nntp posting host chopin udel organization university delaware lines article handheld arras writes article roby udel scott roby writes article handheld arras writes article roby udel scott roby writes agree deserved trial days trial chose children stay inside chose stay inside tear gassed find actions rational noriega smart give trial deserved roby government sucking heartless bastard unworthy comment apparently true opinion opinion truth humans died yesterday humans died actions undeniable truth cried died hands empty undeniable truth planned happen gunfire heard keeping folks inside proposing point undeniable walked yesterday alive today undeniable people left compound unharmed alive earier standoff leader preaching apocalypse undeniably mass suicide simply stayed waited days heart bleeds children released days ample opportunities heart bleeds people blinded religious devotion common sense leave compound tanks started dropping tear early morning heart bleeds bleeding heart doubt feel people heartless things heartless bleeding heart making sense concern children inside compound days sounds pretty heartless heard news survivors regret stayed inferno prove loyalty koresh makes sick deserved fire started place spread quickly wanted motion wanted kind creature heard jonestown thing people inside compound authority worshipers authority koresh howell people able survivors today koresh preached fiery apocalypse early year batf investigated justice dept arlen spectre congress good bungled affair start agree lets investigated means investigated thought ammendment 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization rice university lines green nodak bill green writes shed light fire widely reported witnesses folks starting fires reported fires broke places rules bradley knocking lamp lamp tanks made hole building notice video appeared smoke coming building tank nearby fact appears fires started places rule witnesses heard spokesman witnesses people driving tanks point janet reno balls ahead full responsibility waffle problems figuring stood issue happen media dwayne jacques fontenot 
control nntp posting host cadence organization cadence design systems lines article cescript charles scripter writes capitalization correct reading usca constitution correct version constitution stupid nitpicking capitalization rules late century today posted matches current capitalization rules make things late seventeen hundreds original constitution militia arms capitalized simply nouns german special significance words simply capitalized capitalization denotes special emphasis pete zakel uunet cadence aries pioneer type hold people contempt quick tempered impatient scornful advice nice 
batf murders waco today organization iowa state university ames lines roby udel scott roby writes suppose prevented coming hands national cameras watch knew national cameras mile agents guns yards contact lawyer inclined idea situation leads conspiracy theory lawyer batf pinned rights violations acted witnesses arson doubt clear leaving safe place surrender stupid thing place longer safe disbelieve matter allowed views heard reserve judgement trial concerned statements carry amount weight photons rest batf means devoid fault handling affair suggest intentionally started fire ludicrous ludicrous plausible jury fire accident people compound expected cult members flee compound shooting cult members holed enforced place inside building decent arson attempt suspect trapped addition introduction hours rendered immobile unconscious masks quit props proving scene played difficult certainty batf witnesses 
proper control proper cont harvard john organization harvard university science center nntp posting host scws harvard lines article hays intel kirk hays writes point error terminator began posting months purchased firearm private email produce archived posting earlier january purchased firearm march guess years kirk hays life seventh generation read consulted guns summer purchased firearm early march year lack desire firearm understand purchased rifle shotgun case 
kills teenager harvard john organization harvard university science center keywords handgun mace pepper spray taser tasp phaser nntp posting host scws harvard lines acns colostate holland colostate douglas craig holland writes suspended police officer arrested revenge triple homicide providence police officer afraid fired allegedly assaulting teen ager walked auto body shop wher youth worked fatally shot police fourth youth wounded escaped injury hiding suspended police officer robert sabetta cranston arrested gunpoint hours shooting wilson auto enterprises foster rural town people northwest rhode island doug holland updated info understandingis officer cranston approached teenager questioned officer officer cranston struck teenager head heavy police flashlight causing significant life threatening evidence teenager threatening time teenager released bail recognizance filed formal complaint officer cranston police chief suspended cranston pending investigation excessive force pretty clear happened chief requested cranston cranston refused turn chief cranston home sources cranston wanted afraid loosing complaint days afterward cranston allegedly walked wilson garage teenager friends hang work cars hobby cranston fatally shot teenager teenagers teenager shot shoulder chest teenager working noticed officer cranston teenager home summoned police wilson garage found corpses unscathed survivor days arrest officer cranston attemped commit suicide cell case 
knew happen organization hewlett packard fort collins lines talk politics guns jagst josh grossman writes josh agree respect spelling errors kill women child costs country lets make excuses worthless press cover officials heat management stupidity sick greif entire nation constitution claims protect josh morty 
boston back organization hewlett packard fort collins lines buybacks denver back trading guns denver nuggets tickets pretty bust guns turned news hype including loaded picture side note news reported guns checked stolen stolen guns returned owners rally capital steps yesterday support rkba rally made news channels miller 
waco masada organization hewlett packard fort collins lines flaming wreckage wrote congressmen strongly worded letters demanding dissolve batf anger grief spur letter writing campaign miller 
batf murders waco today nntp posting host chopin udel organization university delaware lines article stratus tavares writes article roby udel scott roby writes article stratus tavares writes article roby udel scott roby writes original question started fire madmen inside compound replied sanity level inside argument make started questionable premise fire necessarily insanity negligence accident recall survivor claims fire started tank knocked kerosene lamp kind makes arguments relative sanity moot survivor claims heard shouting fire started terminology fire planned occurs accident wait evidence shows assuming evidence offered distrustful australian documentary made year stand began koresh followers believed christ koresh children women married compound perfect children resulting great seed magnified horn members describe ways dissimilar jones point noted submitted faith life batf clearance hurry deadline april paid taxes reference religion form comments meant address unstable children building tear start fire nice evasive maneuver chekov tail plainly complaints david koresh religious sexual proclivities justified armed raid bureau alcohol tobacco firearms addressing sanity level players agree batf handled affair badly heard news today affadavit knock warrant unsealed today grenade launcher thing list found unusual escaped compound fire deliberately cult members talk news reporters directly relate details recognize personally impostors national cameras fetched compound inside compound forget batf admits agents inside compound case ambitious news reporters documentary filmed australian compound grounds identify survivors check stories consistency learned long news story documentary point conflicting reports survivors wait light shed good eternal darkness simply devil advocate reasonable doubt boatload standing totally swallowing official government story waco room doubt reserve change opinions evidence warrants change conspiratorially minded able change mind evidence disliked fabricated distrustful 
burns dividian ranch survivors keywords nata thing nntp posting host nimitz kent reply matthew hamilton organization kent state university lines article stratus tavares writes article mhamilto kent lawnmowerman writes guess shooting kind babies sick bastard stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet reply post shoot kind babies branch davidian people insisted staying savior yeah budy brain washed believing truth means give lives davids fault gave days days rest hear death child unlike sick bastard supposedly matthew hamilton mhamilto kent physics major kent lawnmowerman kent state university kent future advice quotes sayings jibberish philosohy 
waco clinton press conference part organization node public access unix lines press release white house president clinton remarks waco national desk contact white house office press secretary washington april remarks president clinton question answer session press president february federal agents killed line duty enforce branch davidian compound illegally stockpiled weaponry ammunition innocent children risk batf operation failed meet objective standoff ensued federal bureau investigation made reasonable effort bring perilous situation bloodshed loss life bureau efforts ultimately unavailing individual dealing david koresh dangerous irrational insane engaged numerous activities violated federal common standards decency responsible deaths injuries occurred action compound february inclination violence effort protect young hostages provocative actions weeks federal agents compound weekend briefed attorney general reno operation prepared designed increase pressure koresh persuade compound surrender peacefully plan included decision withhold ammunition face fire tear permanent harm health hoped force people compound surrender informed plan siege discussed attorney general reno asked questions thought told thought full responsibility implementation decision yesterday action ended horrible human tragedy koresh response demands surrender federal agents destroy murder children captives people survive killed controlled bears ultimate responsibility carnage ensued review past future directed united stated departments justice treasury undertake vigorous investigation uncover happened differently told departments involve independent professional enforcement officials investigation expect receive analysis answers time required complete review finally directed departments cooperate fully congressional inquiries continue fully accountable american people express appreciation attorney general justice department federal agents front lines deeply difficult circumstances yesterday loss life occurred beginning tragedy waco hope tempted join cults involved people david koresh deterred horrible scenes weeks hope difficult situations federal agents confronted doubtless required confront contexts future handled understood learned president days decided president describe janet reno outlined minute phone conversation president hear describe janet reno president president answer questions describe told sunday nature operation detail knew president told attorney general strongly felt time step dislodge people compound generally operation wanted tear tested permanent damage adults children make difficult people stay inside building hoped tear permit told circumstances people fire shots fired shoot tear armored vehicles protect exchange fire fact awful shots fired cult members federal officials shots coming back government side asked number questions question asked waited weeks reasons number limit long federal authorities maintain limited resources quality intensity coverage experts needed parts country number people reviewed case convinced progress made recently progress made normal means koresh cult members number danger increase decrease passage time number reason children inside compound abused significantly forced live unsanitary unsafe conditions reasons wanted move time question asked attorney general consideration things wrong evaluated happen good personnel scene working convinced chances things happening increase passage time question asked military consulted initial tragedy light waco thing asked obvious typical enforcement situation military people brought helped analyze situation problems presented asked military consulted attorney general basic agreement minor tactical difference opinion military sides thought overwhelming significance asked questions answers thought thing proceed support stand today president president wait ahead address widespread perception reported widely television radio newspapers distance disaster president bewildered reason made public statement yesterday reason made public statement yesterday literally late alive hospital custody purely simply question waiting events unfold account people speculated talked attorney general action place talked yesterday called late night appeared larry king show talked morning president president distance things happen federal government control frankly surprised mild word suggest attorney general resign religious fanatics murdered applause regret happened life control behavior circumstance people killed federal officials line duty heavily armed fired federal officials yesterday repeatedly fired back avoid loss life made decision immolate regret terribly feel awful children comment janet reno talked sunday move wait children evidence children abused increasingly unsafe conditions easier time passage time word things stand assume mishandled view outcome patience decide president assume announced today things country long period time found people bombed world trade center lickety split record time inquiry analyze steps question asked question asked make outcome inquiry make independent enforcement people political people totally political experts bring bear evidence rise sort fanaticism world confront children involved important recognize wrong doers case people killed killed president options presented resolving situation point february yesterday president regular reports lots options pursued back covered good authorities pursued number options early working children people left point lines communication opening koresh authorities things things began spin downward terms happened yesterday conversation attorney general involve options time present strategy pursuing wanted thought people compound quickly kill thought government children masks congressional hearings situation agreement president congress important treasury justice departments launch investigation bring experts statement congressional committees fully cooperate 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waco clinton press conference part organization node public access unix lines press release white house president clinton remarks waco national desk contact white house office press secretary washington april newswire remarks president clinton question answer session press part ahead sarah questions knew children masks adults children chance lethal dangerous children survived masks february back people practice religion president practicing religion treasury department believed violated federal laws number federal laws president back answer answer question masks purpose tear tested convinced kill child adult force breathed things heard details things speculating today wind blowing fast windows opened escaped desired effect knew sarah underground compound buried underground children hoping children released immediately humane thing children someplace protected terms masks learned yesterday fact question supposed stay active compound longer masks work thought masks eventually force nonviolent nonshooting circumstance myers question president asked janet reno possibility mass suicide learned actual fire explosion mind horrendous moments president asked janet reno considered worse things happen issue suicide raised public debated people knowledgeable kinds issues concluded greater risk tomorrow anytime future judgment made wrong happened fire building burning sick felt terrible concern children escaping inside burn thing wanted president janet reno decision decision president hour detailed briefing strategic part decision responsibility president united states signed general decision giving authority make call talked sunday time elapsed made decision change mind decide forward tomorrow support support ultimately responsible american people conducted duties fashion dealt situation applause 
director statement waco standoff article shelley innqe organization university washington school class lines nntp posting host stein washington feustel david feustel writes evidence batf started shooting people started coming burning building press batf shoot people leaving burning building press smith 
militia incredibly long organization totally unorganized lines article jrutledg ulowell john lawrence rutledge writes stratus tavares writes article jrutledg ulowell john lawrence rutledge writes knew organization required training large group poeple year people year provide basic training people integrated force find suitable location requires continually standing committee organizers response rutledge arguing local federal governments abandoned charter support activity passed laws prohibiting private organizations eliminated basis rkba contrary understands game strengthened rutledge claiming rkba dependent existence flight regulated militia false assumption posted number times simple stated people join organized militia stated militia meets year organized state readiness claimed people state readiness expected militia stated hamilton read senate subcommitte constitution amendment linguist analisys show stuff back assertions mentioned documents online uucp prejudice myrto seattle fails uunet pilchuck rwing wisdom things infinite universe human stupidity albert einstien 
batf murders waco today organization university delaware lines nntp posting host chopin udel article mikey utexas strider writes roby udel scott roby writes mikey utexas strider writes australian documentary made year stand began koresh followers believed christ koresh children women married compound perfect children resulting great seed magnified horn members describe ways dissimilar jones accurate documentary documentary interviewed koresh current members documentary disucussed koresh christ status inside cult cult brain washing techniques unusual practices leader tells decide religious authority minor technically child abuse koresh convicted crimes children batf child abuse purview case strictly firearms violations true information irrelevant discussion fire deliberately members cult history background cult relevant history backgournd jones cult important understanding happened jonestown taking account history background koresh cult explain batf badly predicted reponses inside compund step badly handled affair agents pass rigorous psychological examinations background checks charge undoubtedly explain decisions great detail congress fulfill koresh prophecy charge undoubtedly explain answers remotely resembles truth left alive care prophecy fulfilled holds meaning survived investigations congress point correction cult members able talk talk news reporters directly relate details confirm story interesting conflicting details starting reverted back wait mode find fire intentional accidental started spread fast mike ruff 
impeach clinton reno organization michigan tech lines nntp posting host physerver newsreader version glenn stone gatech wrote fact federal felony infringe civil rights color death involved offense carries penalty life prison title apply conspiracy persons rights citizens deprivation rights color call life prison death occurs reno bentsen clinton principals crime responsible authorized actions part subordinates conclusion choice honest people impeach clinton remove reno office forgot detail turned texas authorities trial crime committed article section charles scripter cescript dept physics michigan tech houghton government great things drawn washington centre power render powerless checks provided government venal oppressive government separated thomas jefferson 
knew happen organization dafco software support consulting lines forgive american pays taxes government commits atrocities waco massacre dave feustel beginning forward reaching allocation taxes interest national debt point federal government business lack funds 
batf acronym nntp posting host spot colorado organization university colorado boulder distribution lines arely dequate otally adequate fits acronym andrew diederich diederic colorado opinions mine alternate tuesdays 
rewording amendment ideas organization iowa state university ames lines foxvog douglas writes individuals weapons mass destruction find hard support neighbor nuclear weapons biological weapons nerve property depends draw line defining weapons intend reflective modern practice months centuries road give hint manure pile farmer field road weapon mass destruction biological nature washed open contaminate aquifers supply thousands cities drinking water draw line ruled pile scrap iron illegal care draw thinner line time 
raid justification blast time distribution organization michigan tech lines nntp posting host physerver newsreader version peter cash cash wrote listening clock news channel dallas trotted list justifications produced months investigation raid claimed bought semi automatic assault rifles koresh managed build collection fully automatic semi automatic rifles feat making charges sexual abuse noticed treasury department crimes feds recently instituted crimes yeah batf unregistered guns weapon fighting junk list accused stockpiling bunch ammunition assault rifles imagine ammunition heard claiming cautious koresh heated ammunition stockpile recall smokeless powder decompose moderate temperatures surprised fire nature stockpile unexploded unburned aluminum dust yeah component thermite heard illegal grinder aluminum lawn furniture recall aluminum powder common component fireworks folks pyro thing list conceivably illegal grenade launcher legal proper license curios relics permit legally handgrenades launcher charles scripter cescript dept physics michigan tech houghton government great things drawn washington centre power render powerless checks provided government venal oppressive government separated thomas jefferson 
cold organization portal system lines reasons united states america time represented protected freedom fact true totalitarianism absolute government control tyranny represents freedom opposite cold standard disclaimers apply graham glover cold ended thing happened sides exchanged roles higher imprisonment rate population country europe factor california population prison population california quadrupling inmates convicted drug prohibition laws police confiscate property trial good faith probable standard depriving horrible ghastly drug dealers gains conduct opinion poll majority answer civil liberties process diluted order send young people message winning drugs measured figure owners expect result vote jack herer book emperor wears clothes twelve million years prison time served marijuana prohibition laws people minding business causing harm harm users tobacco confirmed kills year drugs campaign tolerance process protections eroded mandatory sentences years parole proliferated large owners voted politicians favor measures precedents legal political fellow americans send young people message winning murder applied oncoming wave prohibition laws owners taste medicine voted believing tastes recreational drugs alan furman blame voted libertarian atfurman portal information 
american express card distribution lines article andy stanford andy freeman article jason kratz point forgot bring bein gang member illegal carry concealed weapon area state illinois matter whther person gang member kratz inferred wrong people legally carry concealed circumstances people carry concealed accuracy expect andy read post accurate material post point make true looked illinois andy statutes illegal carry concealed weapon illinois andy thing ordinary folk quoted material forgot mention ordinary folk andy library tomorrow photocopy part illinois statutes information post ordinary citizens license carry concealed weapon people asked lawyer friend told people licenses concealed carry remember people knew regular citizens type license told check library statutes post info tomorrow night jason 
bear arms organization iowa state university ames lines mikey utexas strider writes brandeis writes someting good forever days leave house unlocked night forever record college excluding times omaha council bluffs removed keys ignition moved ames locking doors night discovered year worth living fear move back farm weekend veishea students riot apparent reason year farm concert festivities riot remember iowa talking loud defined riot stay tuned scene report weekend 
american express card distribution lines article handheld arras article jason kratz kind funny picked part sister social worker keeping date gang thing skim part jason guess means mistaken skimmed part mentioned meaning jason 
blast time organization iowa state university ames distribution lines oldham cwru daniel oldham writes happened waco fault batf proper equipment personal captured compound initial assault happened seal team handled delta force batf equipment good intel poor planning fucked basic military sense fucked excuses justify body counts batf people weapons armored transports meet hostile fire able force retreating stand batf protect proper equipment people excuses fall deaf ears batf shown shitty leadership people weapons exclusive armor targets batf private army government agents swear oath uphold constitution document stipulates highest land charges court remember reason increased crime streets batf needed blast good fokes price order country good people died wars protect great country yeah related flame bait paying price mind sight guns body price live fear making stray shot fine dandy revel target supposed safety military called chicken shit leadership rear drugs catchy term continuation policy century convinced rights worth good vibes mind access access forms expression make nervous able influence price freedom liberty country fair unbiased judiciary arms build waco needed compound mega fire power blasting killed women kids letting burn death days mind include body count file civic improvement life sacrificed vain estate defecit reduction learn protects protect equally collective boot collective throat time mature realize talking time include smiley hesitate meant deserved small flame 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization uscrpac distribution lines agree place discuss guns note passing number apologists words regulated distorted interpretations amendment david david sternlight great care ensure accuracy information errors omissions excepted 
rewording amendment ideas organization lines article stratus tavares writes article foxvog douglas writes article stratus tavares writes article jrutledg ulowell john lawrence rutledge writes massive destructive power modern weapons makes cost accidental crimial usage weapons great weapons mass destruction control government individual access result needless deaths millions makes people bear modern weapons existant stating coming needless disagree count individuals weapons mass destruction find hard support neighbor nuclear weapons biological weapons nerve property agree keeping weapons mass destruction hands individuals hope sign blank checks term rigidly defined bill doug foxvog weapons mass destruction means nukes sarah brady weapons mass destruction means street sweeper shotguns semi automatic rifles doubt term quote allegedly back john lawrence rutledge weapons mass destruction immediately thousands people killed year handguns number easily reduced putting reasonable restrictions rutledge term read article presenting argument weapons mass destruction commonly understood switching topics point evidently show weapons allowed analysis understanding class stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet doug foxvog douglas foxvog 
rewording amendment ideas organization lines article viking sorenson writes foxvog douglas writes individuals weapons mass destruction find hard support neighbor nuclear weapons biological weapons nerve property depends draw line defining weapons means support narrow good intend reflective modern practice months centuries road hope define nuclear weapon explosive weapon majority energy fission fusion atomic nuclei define biological weapon live organisms viruses state quantity vector death disease defined significant number people released city similarly populated area resevoir cropland nerve mustard defined poisonous gasses individually banned shown related weaponry licenses research purposes chemicals lawyer ideas basis definitions give hint manure pile farmer field road weapon mass destruction nope considered weapon biological nature washed open contaminate aquifers supply thousands cities drinking water draw line ruled pile scrap iron illegal care draw thinner line time defined weapon mass destruction things banned reasons doug foxvog douglas foxvog 
burn explode organization iowa state university ames lines rcanders nice writes released large amounts tear compound waco tear fine power inflammable grain dust suspended form explosive mixture suspended form explosive large quantities fueled rapid spread fire compound chance ignited similar grain explosion explosion note entire compound leveled burned explosion ignition causing fire note miles decent grain elevator explosion knock butt ears ring days speak experience 
change reply popovich columbia steve popovich message organization dept informatics university oslo norway lines originator thomasp survived mailed postings things thing wrong places censor newsgroup give hints newsgroups belong conspiracy note posting reply torching plasce filling napalm arrested people dissapering quisling vidkun quisling traitor norway censor betrayed country norway bescause implied jumped conclusions sound paranoid quislings norway waco batf handle situations reminds stun bomb beeing dropped house helicopter block flames died conspiracy screwed signature computergenerated text waste bandwith bring evil internet thomas parsli thomasp 
merican horror file call organization users kevin organization lines distribution nntp posting host axon today atrocity waco finally impelled start working thinking time years heard case government running completely amok people oblivious government crimes protector intend call american horror file compilation cases american government roughshod rights citizens years focusing deaths injuries resulting knock warrants financial ruin innocents resulting civil forfeiture laws including cases find decent documentation hope make people blood boiling artery bursting enraged government result book electronic form ascii text postscript files detailing government crimes recent years book distributed cost encourage people post copies send copies disk friends print copies give neighbors call information send government running amok greatly appreciated prefer information documented sources specific instances governmental abuses join collecting researching information project kevin horn religion batf approved vanhorn 
news batf indictment warrant unsealed harvard john distribution world organization harvard university science center nntp posting host scws harvard lines koresh threatened local problems wepaons alleged post details news sniper injures buildling arrested suspect disgruntled employee universal studios division question californians guns reginald denny trial case harvard 
batf prime directive organization dafco software support consulting lines bully bludgeon bury dave feustel beginning forward reaching allocation taxes interest national debt point federal government business lack funds 
janet reno responsibility organization dafco software support consulting lines difference janet reno claim responsibility waco massacre claims responsibility acts terrorism british citizens dave feustel beginning forward reaching allocation taxes interest national debt point federal government business lack funds 
american express card reply viking sorenson message organization dept informatics university oslo norway lines originator thomasp remember figures deaths texas caused guns beeing killed accidents sentences high poverty influence figures pretty high texas liberal laws suffer agree live sociaty therefor give freedom note insurance paying return goods steal bonus live people ererything burping farting playing music loud hell live society still counted saccrifice question state remember texas impose rule month happened respect defend inflict people realize problem america problem drunk driver hope cure hope life comfirms standard winnie signature computergenerated text waste bandwith bring evil internet thomas parsli thomasp 
clinton national card ussr style internal passport lines article paul paul havemann article tsmith smith writes article fcrary colorado frank crary writes article slack david slack writes idea card bull curious plan making requirement required presented medical determined blue cross medical coverage federal employees good model future national system emergency medical care insured carry blue cross card entering hospital notify blue cross refuse bills emergency treated notifying inform hours unable medical reasons hospital failing hours means cover hospitalization card notify card hospital wouldn required carry card times emergency medical coverage works fine hospital head wallet insurance card stolen happened months sort mess sorts plans sound nice create paperwork bureaucracy deal checking filing involve hacker whoa care obvious answer problem tatoo national number forearm leave home hell worked brings back original sarcasm laden post outcry liberal sector national card conservative proposed clinton national police proposal liberals shrieking sieg heil police state styled liberals ashamed hypocrites watch spokesman aclu voice opposition idea night 
waco clinton press conference part organization dafco software support consulting lines predict outcome study wrong federal assault waco result future assaults type conducted full scale military operations explicit shoot kill directives dave feustel beginning forward reaching allocation taxes interest national debt point federal government business lack funds 
cost benefit analysis director statement lines noticed commented fact demanding wait forever hussein iraq tremendously costly sanctions avoid loss life fore front clammoring smashed religious radicals wasting money allowing stand worm turns sect 
blast time nntp posting host sora organization allen bradley company lines oldham cwru daniel oldham babbles happened waco fault batf proper equipment personal captured compound initial assault happened door knocked serve warrant sheriff times needed initial assault herr klinton attorney reno able told heroic stories protected rest group people miles prairie batf people weapons armored transports meet hostile fire able force retreating stand batf protect proper equipment people batf disbanded control group rambo wannabees danger republic increased crime streets batf needed blast good fokes price order country figure flamed pretty badly incredibly stupid statement pass case western reserve feds stockpile automatic weapons crack house daniel oldham lives orchard drive address good people died wars protect great country great country knew good people died wars viet assure fought protect government attack citizens military force provocation hint serving search warrant sufficient provocation stage military style assault religious group iraq syria arms build waco needed compound mega fire power blasting killed women kids letting burn death days joke letting fools cwru good school wing library 
dayton back boston back lines organization university tennessee division continuing education article larry cipriani writes wnci radio morning dayton ohio operating back giving functional turned money passing vouchers sort funds operating media event brought similar people lawfully protects life firearm sounds tacky works public relations nightmare begging happen lobby pays vigilanties shell dough gunfighters david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization adobe systems incorporated lines article irvine uiuc brent irvine writes food cold hear electric ovens microwaves popular electric stoves metro areas dividians option electricity flag burners bother american flag tanks assaulting church americans bothered 
knock glock card organization western washington university distribution lines article pyron dseg difference safeties betweena glock revolver intellectually glock high revolver ignoring stove pipes misfeeds bonus exercises autoloaders give revolver misfire pistol trigger cock hammer jennings astra glock misfire requires slide cycled function high capacity revolver glock astra manual safety heavier trigger pull vecchio 
latest texas organization texas university college station lines nntp posting host tamuts tamu called texas bill tracking people today concealed carry supposed vote past wednesday bill back public safety committee gave favorable rating bill scheduled debate calendars committee daryl biberdorf biberdorf sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura 
control organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host rocket stratus article graham washington stephen graham writes article stratus tavares writes article graham washington stephen graham writes john public protected worth noting miller sustained miller conviction possession illegal firearm noting sawed shotgun proper militia weapon noted claimed proper militia weapon wars true miller lawyer appeared court sustain miller conviction text case handy miller convicted owning sawed shotgun paying snatches court decision amendment intended assure continuation render effectiveness force militia interpreted applied view militia includes males physically capable acting concert common defense sawed shotguns judicial notice weapon part ordinary military equipment contribute common defense judicial notice term meant evidence formally presented claiming ruled wasn shotguns spanish american civil question possession sawed shotgun weapon altered improve concealibility talking plain shotguns talking short barrelled sawed shotguns compare revolutionary blunderbusses luparas spanish american trench cleaners good soldiers mention invaluable tunnel rats vietnam miller place miller supports limited government regulation firearms arguing road abide consequences find abiding common weapon militia purpose handguns sawed shotguns fully automatic weapons fact decision free produce evidence abide implications quandary arguing types guns fall scope argument significant class belongs class agree guns protected agree weapons random state governments banning sporting purpose provate citizen guns fall protection damn practical utility time military marksmanship training purposes understand intent pressing point arguing protected heartedly endorse position oppose rkba attitude makes unpopular makes unpopular people fear abhor branch davidians months feared abhorred saddam hussein years stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
gritz liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian reply uchicago organization university chicago lines article rubinoff robert rubinoff writes article writes note gritz populist party ticket david duke veep found duke leading ticket withdrew candidacy revisionist account happened gritz aware duke presence ticket gritz associating promoting white supremacists christian identity movement willis carto reasons gritz leave ticket duke presence gritz gave chance vice president aviod supporting duke call giving chance vice president chance populist party ticket winning essentially imply duke chip berlet populist party newsletter time photo gritz happily shaking hands duke frank uchicago card moops school standard disclaimers 
control organization worcester polytechnic institute lines nntp posting host article cescript charles scripter writes article jrutledg ulowell john lawrence rutledge wrote article caltech aaron clements writes amendment guarantee bear arms unequivocally infringement amendment clear state part problem part single sentence makes amendment amendment regulated militia security militia free state people bear state arms infringed arms capitalization correct reading usca constitution correct version constitution mention regulated militia confuses federalist paper regulated militia defined structure nationally uniform regulations read federalist papers james madison federalist paper advantage armed americans possess people nation existence subordinate governments people attached militia officers appointed forms barrier enterprises ambition insurmountable simple government form admit notwithstanding military establishments kingdoms europe carried public resources bear governments afraid trust people arms james madison annals congress june people bear arms infringed regulated militia composed body people trained arms natural defense free country alexander hamilton federalist paper organization militia aimed respect people large properly armed equipped order neglected assemble year alexander hamilton federalist paper speaking standing armies circumstances time oblige government form army magnitude army formidable liberties people large body citizens inferior discipline arms stand ready defend rights fellow citizens surely hamilton madison people people amendment refers militia average year male fall definition militia consists able bodied males females current interpretation members militia advocate refers members organized militia directly amendment refer organized regulated targets examine check regulated mentioned amendment amendment wanted member militia bear arms specificly mention organized militia sentence bear arms correct reserved people insure people form regulated militia organized militia argued part sentence separate part include atomic unit written atomic units argument moron separate sentence question read federalist papers james madison federalist paper general welfare clause natural common general phrase explain qualify recital particulars madison grammatical style wrote amendment implies arms security free state federalist paper mention regulated militia examples militia protects security free state examples actions organized force john public read federalist papers amendment states people form regulated militias infringed people join organized militia organized militia provide training arms basic military tactics training members militia bear arms read show document organized militia lastly reading federalist paper organized militia clear reasons militias reason stated protection standing army days standing army easily defeat group consisting year male female armied forces person allowed weapon armed forces reason stated organized militias reduced standing army armied forces standing army half history major reason protect army reason amendment give people protection government guaranteeing people government anachronism time amend constitution appropriately abraham lincoln inaugural address march country institutions belongs people inhabit grow weary existing government exercise constitutional amending revolutionary dismember overthrow elbridge gerry massachusetts spoken floor debate amendment annals congress august militia prevent establishment standing army bane liberty governments invade rights liberties people attempt destroy militia order raise army ruins category rutledge means destroy liberties rights charles scripter cescript dept physics michigan tech houghton government great things drawn washington centre power render powerless checks provided government venal oppressive government separated thomas jefferson article caltech aaron clements writes amendment guarantee bear arms unequivocally infringement amendment clear state part problem part single sentence makes amendment amendment regulated militia security militia free state people bear state arms infringed arms capitalization correct reading usca constitution correct version constitution ways choose intrepret constitutational issue original intent subjectively intrepreted accordiong political whims original intent basis intrepreting constitution clear founding fathers intended individual citizen allowed bear arms similar soldiers references cite federalist papers embarassing ammendment yale review prof stanford levinson date handy prof levinson sought prove ammendment convey individual concluded embarassing title report subcomittee consititution united states sendate congress session february verguido urguidez supreme court case recent years case pertain firearms justice rhenquist notes term people term conveying individual rights specifically cited ammentment included opinion title code states males ages part organized militia female officers national guard part unorganized militia feel free cite scholarly historical references support position greater length personal proof assertion technique carry weight dubious proofs assertion 
gritz liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian news software vnews nntp posting host concordia organization concordia university lines article rubinoff robert rubinoff writes article writes note gritz populist party ticket david duke veep found duke leading ticket withdrew candidacy gritz gave chance vice president aviod supporting duke call giving chance vice president chance populist party ticket winning essentially imply duke robert party press directly duke bring conversely disdain david duke supposed make ideolize stand nazism whoa progressive refuse openly denounce vice presidency meant putting control stephen white live simply simply live mohandas gandhi 
info suicide refutation organization mexico state university lines distribution nntp posting host kazak nmsu newsreader version quoted tail condescending article paxton quigley appeared snooze world lies wall street journal repeated colorado people daily student newspaper university colorado boulder study residential gunsot deaths king county wash found home times kill owner spouse friend child kill intruder studies western psychiatric institute pittsburgh found mere presence home sharply incresases likelihood family member commit suicide absence psychiatric illness numbers quoted specific refutation quoted kind email relevant information write letter editor daily published send copy loki nmsu liberty death taylordf colorado send read begin public block version mqcnaitfksqaaeeakceejwi kmjykp logc dghrpbmy xhoo kpehmdyuf bfdqsj kostz hroshsdzlvul vpjmmntfr ummex qabsvhcfshvjvk wosucmo yxjaaux tcreyw pzwwgribuyxlsb igpexva laywnjys ubxn lmvkdt public block 
gritz liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian reply message organization university michigan lines jack schmidling subject gritz liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian date speak organizations cited society government relentless movement world government fact media demeans charished values patriotism nationalism protectionism clues porous border people trade indiciation lost great deal sovergnty people fans fuedalism pissed moaned emergence modern nation state imagine king allowing serfs freedom live city year times change technology viable forms social organization change concerns preserving western notions civil liberties face cultures values valid waste effort turn back tide smarter focus make emerging forms social organization acceptable lament passing forms 
control reply hambidge organization bristol myers squibb lines article jrutledg ulowell john lawrence rutledge writes phrase people bear arms infringed qualify explain phrase regulated militia security free state stuff deleted people bear arms infringed describe modify make harsh grammar sort position task process elimination fall definition deals legal power thing constitution correct definition case people bear arms legal power regualated militia legal power infringed clarification obfuscation words regulated milita security free state present participle adjective modify militia main clause sentence subject verb asserts bear arms essential maintaining milita sentence restrict state imply possession people make positive statement people people fourth ninth tenth amendment existence assumed granted amendment stated implied condition relating bear arms necessity regulated militia security free state words entire sentence bear arms unconditional effort force views destory liberties rights state written write matter liberties rights final word person final word liberties rights cleary irrevocably belongs final word liberties rights belong constitution tyrrany majority ensue popular opinion concept familiar federalist papers standard disclaimer 
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randy weaver trial nntp posting host hound reply crphilli dazixca ingr organization intergraph electronics mountain view distribution lines posted firearms politics mailing list folks wednesday marked beginning trial opening statements prosecution defense side presenting version happenned august prosecution argued weaver family moved idaho anticipating battle evil federal government prosecution alleges weaver sold federal agents sawed shotguns failed trial repeated good faith efforts weaver surrender peacefully weaver refused shootout erupted weaver discovered agents surveillance mission began firing prosecution people taking offensive action helicopter sniper killed vicki weaver defense argued weaver family moved northern idaho practice religion peace wanted simply left weaver induced federal agents sell short barrelled shotgun prosecution alleged regular supplier defense argued federal government sought arrest weaver informant explicitly assume reference white separatist angle story things develop failure court happenned weaver incorrect court date indicted date shootout occurred federal agent arthur roderick killed weaver proximity weaver samuel weaver fired defense ensuing battle federal agent william degan killed found cases nearby semi automatic agents body extended period time played select fire fully explained finally defense claims vicki weaver body recover sniper prosecution quote weaver wanted confrontation made confrontation asst attorney lindquist defense quote evidence case show case randy weaver kevin harris charged crimes commit order cover crimes government commit gerry spence nice soundbite notes idaho statesman claims weaver supporters heeded call spence repeat yesterday protests courthouse local affiliate footage news supporters including claimed skinhead ordinary working class people claimed white pride white power courthouse television crew impromptu interview gritz charged nazi protestors government smear randy weaver affiliated article carried idaho statesman dozen lawyers people packed courthouse lawyers present watch gerry spence action learn tidbits spence flatly told jurors kent volunteering time represent weaver believed spence minute opening statement repeatedly walked weaver hands defendants shoulders weaver broke cried recounting wife death spence compared sawed shotgun driving limit good today thursday april prosecution scheduled begin presenting evidence drew phillips crphilli dazixca ingr senior customer engineer intergraph electronics east evelyn avenue voice mountain view 
randy weaver trail nntp posting host hound reply crphilli dazixca ingr organization intergraph electronics mountain view distribution lines posted firearms politics mailing list folks thursday april marked trial marked testimony trial deputy marshal larry cooper stand prosecution short version testimony consistent opening statements prosecution cooper testified arrived spokane washington august participate surveillance operation deputies weaver cabin team night vision equipment surveillance split teams people observation point cabin deputies cooper william degan arthur roderick began descent scout surveillance sites cooper told court roderick threw large rocks gully weaver family dogs respond striker weaver yellow started barking loudly roderick area dense woods open area called fern field pursuit time kevin harris samuel weaver joined chase surveillance team reached road cooper decided cover woods easy target shot back degan reached spotted randy weaver coming road cabin ahead weaver startled fire moment striker reached degan cooper fend unclear means clubbed shot cooper degan cover woods cooper kevin harris samuel weaver continued walking road apparently noticing passed road degan knee raised shouted stop marshal harris brought weapon level fired bring weapon level bill back knew cooper fired harris harris cooper brought weapon bear samuel fire point cooper heard shots samuel weaver looked direction shots yelled bitch cooper realized shots coming directly ahead fired round burst cabin point samuel weaver running cabin cooper reached degan fingers degan carotid artery counted beats heart stopped shortly roderick marshals joined heard large burst gunfire area cabin cross examination david nevin questioned point throwing rocks gulley wanted lure shoot nevin pointed september testimony cooper claimed spotted weaver left cooper claimed events head decided thursday account correct nevin continued cross examination cooper armed dressed full camouflage jumped woods answer friday april marks continued cross examination cooper notes coverage protestors drew phillips crphilli dazixca ingr senior customer engineer intergraph electronics east evelyn avenue voice mountain view 
burns dividian ranch survivors reply glenns gatech distribution organization group bench lines irvine uiuc brent irvine writes quotes stuff unnecessarily article glenns gatech writes worth posting gang duck hunting dark alleys black clad helmeted booted troops storming houses violating civil rights color ready defend constitution crazy fatigue clad survivalist types blasting snot people accidentally stray land defense righteous toter pair fatigues blast people wandering aimlessly blast people display obvious violent intent black clad weapons climbing story windows people break door knocking people knock house tanks afire sound familiar riddle hell convicted criminals ohio glove treatment burned alive trial started blaze decent shyster make case cruel unusual punishment playing sounds tortured rabbits loudspeakers spca mister toter bucko choose abandon rights leave mine hell thankyouverymuch glenn stone glenns gatech impeach clinton reno case prima facie 
criminals machineguns organization computer science department stanford university distribution lines article jason kratz writes people killed gang violence single hear people killed gang violence weapons confiscated kratz claiming reliably visually distinguish difference semi auto full auto difference versions full auto semi auto love hear details demonstrate kratz blowing smoke design properties common kids neighborhood young figured parents richard petty looked paint things kratz make difference doesn irrelevant visual inspection worked acceptable doesn fact good person andy gave kratz chance back private 
weaver trial update nntp posting host gozer organization sigsauer club lines running daily summary randy weaver kevin harris trial boise summaries primarily mailing lists wondering people interested post email drew betz idbsu brought terminal free state idaho outlaw rights outlaws rights spook fodder fema clinton gore insurrection semtex neptunium terrorist deuterium 
info suicide refutation organization ideology busters distribution lines preston covey professor ethics wrote preston covey subject stats mortal risks date folks hail nether world february wall street journal carried front page article erik larson entitled armed force felt reply order citation notorious scare stat times kill protect stats mortal risks preston covey erik larson handed article paxton quigley armed force cites world notorious statistic guns home pioneering study residential gunshot deaths king county washington found home times kill owner spouse friend child kill intruder times stat days grown media lore proverbial urban myth inflated pugilistic talk show pundit shock finding conclusion england journal medicine nejm study remarkably understated advisability keeping firearms home protection questioned responsible people question risks benefits bringing firearm home risks benefits nejm testimony truth benefits truth risks motor vehicles control risks benefits risks cancer heart disease auto accidents minimize risks highway death tolls nejm stat helpful nejm finding purports inform framed warn widely promulgated media scare stat misleading half truth formulation calculated prejudice terrify frightful statistic screams risks outweigh benefits fool risks times kill loved dear friend innocent child destination uncritical citation puts good statistics company lies damned lies surely lives stake closer risky business times stat nejm study product dividing number home intruders aggressors justifiably killed defense divisor number family members acquaintances killed home dividend divisor risk equation study year sample intruders cases defense dividend study accidental deaths criminal homicides suicides divided yields total related deaths king county study leaves deaths homes unaccounted nejm notorious times statistic misleading counts dividend misleadingly characterized media acquaintances study include friendly drug dealers neighborhood gang members equated friends implication offending guns target kill beloved family members dear friends innocent children deaths equally tragic character circumstance victims killers relevant risk crucial risk factors masked calculated impression death toll generated witless waltons shooting dear friends friendly neighbors criminological hogwash study distinguish households environs populated people violent criminal substance abuse histories risk death high versus households inhabited civil folk people avoid high risk activities drug dealing gang banging wife beating risk actuality negligent adults fatal avoidable accidents homicides perpetrated people histories violence abuse people identifiably certifiably high risk misadventure ignore obvious risk factors firearm accidents homicides misleading ignoring role alcohol vehicular deaths tautology deaths vehicular deaths occur firearms vehicles person circumstance owner driver crucially affect risk misleading implication nejm stat framed mere presence home kill protect obscures disregards role personal responsibility typical quotation study unlike larson attributes fatal agency home times kill center prevent handgun violence major promulgator nejm statistic formulation dispense silly debate people guns accomplish killing tautology deaths occur guns question begged deaths occur guns case people death dealing agents guns lethal instruments moral core personal risk factors deaths personal responsibility choice care responsibility obviate accidents human choice mediates homicide suicide choice condemn person nejm high risk pool create risk people risk guns homes graduates paxton quigley personal protection touted times risk skilled sober drivers risks causing suffering vehicular death reckless drunk drivers undiscriminating actuarials disregard obscure role personal responsibility choice disregard obscure role socio economic criminological risk relevant factors firearm related death resent insurance premiums actuarial consigment risk pools norms disregard individualities fortunately consign nejm risk pool lack choice responsibility matter suicide accounts deaths home nejm study total deaths king county including home house suicides total death toll closer roughly proportion found studies suicide social problem order homicide accidents implication nejm study suicides occur readily guns true attempted suicide succeed true absence prevent suicides widely assumed alleged preponderance research guns suicide shows wishful thinking impulsive cases bruce danto human side homicide columbia university press charles rich guns suicide american journal psychiatry march suicides removed dividend nejm study risk equation times stat deflate inclusion suicides nejm risk equation durability interdiction suicidal intent profoundly debatable matter quotations nejm study totally disregard issue citations nejm study mislead estimable rate justifiable excusable homicide measures nejm homicide rate based disposition cases homicides initially ruled criminal appealed ruled defense literature battered women case dispositions notorious representing rate justifiable excusable homicide time january cover story women fighting back reported study finding women appeal murder convictions thrown time july cover story week deaths reported domestic cases shootings abuse victims homicides reported defense update time reported homicides eventually ruled defense time sample originally reported rate defense error factor possibility error acknowledged promulgators nejm statistic dividend product nejm risk equation arguably inflated divisor unconscionably misleading divisor equation counts aggressors killed aggressors successfully thwarted killed shot utility armed defense side coin harms guns homes kind moral idiocy measure utility terms killings measure utility police solely terms felons killed opposed foiled apprehended deterred celebrate count cases human life lost successful armed defenses question posed media cite nejm scare stat neglect compendious research successful armed defense notably criminologist gary kleck point blank guns violence america aldine gruyter kleck estimations rate risk defensive firearm based victimization surveys studies rate high million year risk good defenders fare resort forms resistance resist dividing million defenses year annual deaths defense homicides suicides accidents yields construct favorable statistic nejm scare stat times defend assault crime kill kleck critics belittle dividend calculation good news defenders news control question basis method kleck high estimation defensive firearm questioned nejm statistic issue manage mortal risks settled uncritical citation statistics thing troubles escape unquestioned nejm scare stat media find kleck good work mentioned critically larry cipriani cipriani 
senator patty murrey proposal organization boeing lines heard senator patty murrey tennis shoes planning introduce legislation handgun transactions increase dealer licnese costs order raise money cover costs insured shooting victums plans start year dealer fees depending type firearm transaction plans make federal elected washington state trade mark tennis shoes written united states senate washinton tennis shoes pair send feelings claims heard opposition lets inundate bigot definition bigot conservative winning argument 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization dundee institute technology lines article irvine uiuc brent irvine writes wrong pumping tear compound branch davidians apocolyptic faith compound fire killing children survived people quote quoting cultists yesterday deranged trusted cultists quote quoting voice interview british survivors claimed fire started tanks caused internal wooden wall roof collapse knocking kerosene lamps suicide plan true partly true false alan greig janet greig dundee institute technology internet greig underestimate power human stupidity 
government exlanations waco organization dafco software support consulting lines principles admit acts differently expect nutcase dave feustel beginning forward reaching allocation taxes interest national debt point federal government business lack funds 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization dundee institute technology lines article green nodak bill green writes questions actions general proper reservations heard talk brainwashing waco brainwashing general population ceases amaze action results worst outcome people deep intuition telling wrong programming agents acted good faith didn information good faith acted knowing risk sums human stupidity days destroy fucking planet respond launching strike calculations told bluffing alan greig janet greig dundee institute technology internet greig underestimate power human stupidity 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization dundee institute technology lines article mhamilto kent lawnmowerman writes article stratus tavares writes article mhamilto kent lawnmowerman writes guess shooting kind babies sick bastard stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet reply post shoot kind babies branch davidian people insisted staying savior yeah budy brain washed believing truth means give lives davids fault gave days days goodness sake fired cruise missile compound people alive obvious remotest contact reality outcome fire started lawnmower entered virtual reality guess expected understand things real universe alan greig janet greig dundee institute technology internet greig underestimate power human stupidity 
batf murders waco today organization dundee institute technology lines article roby udel scott roby writes leave introduced earlier morning care children release children weeks children parent understand concept bunch people minds forces satanic evil expect hand children born stupid effort alan greig janet greig dundee institute technology internet greig underestimate power human stupidity 
batf murders waco today organization dundee institute technology lines article betz idbsu andrew betz writes article roby udel scott roby writes suppose prevented coming hands national cameras watch watch miles happenned explained vengeful filter humiliated agency quote understand considered unsafe networks closer surely networks judge risks reporting noticed banned baghdad hotels real risk cruise missile land lobby incidentally explained assume city missile happened hotel probability large number unsafe alan greig janet greig dundee institute technology internet greig underestimate power human stupidity 
batf murders waco today organization dundee institute technology lines article betz idbsu andrew betz writes betz idbsu brought terminal free state idaho outlaw rights outlaws rights spook fodder fema clinton gore insurrection semtex neptunium terrorist deuterium trigger scanners move keywords signature start trip flag human intervention alan greig janet greig dundee institute technology internet greig underestimate power human stupidity 
mormons jews organization microsystems lines distribution world reply dbernard central nntp posting host clesun central stretch fact great persecuted indians christian great simpler state obvious white people wanted land indians dominated threatened government cared hill beans indians religion native american girlfriend asks government care hill beans religion busting oregon washington places christian army marched church gunpoint indians christians army marched church gunpoint news indians great lakes upper mississippi basin southwest mexico south america converted thing indians incapable coming decision religion forced gunpoint christian cherokees boot government civil cherokee nation gave mild support confederacy owned black slaves reducing matter religion support narrow view history heard single treaty broken government convert christianity land claim treaties invariably land meant ceding indian claims government return government promised hunter gatherer tribes plenty tribes farming centuries hear plains indians movies food training return taking nomadic existence promises proved empty 
riddle organization microsystems lines distribution world reply dbernard central nntp posting host clesun central article chuck chuck harris writes article fuller writes harmful gassing willpower stay inside indefinitely suffering health problems employed tunnels vietnam difference tear vietnam makes wretch hard stomach throat defend blowing cookies chuck harris chuck interesting hours worth exposure posess presence mind able determine escape inferno surrounding words prolonged gassing disoriented wackos possibility escape rendered questionable 
cost benefit analysis director statement organization northeastern class lines nntp posting host reply costley compaq brett costley article costley compaq brett costley sigh understand waited koresh jlpicard costing hundreds thousands dollars wait yeah spend money preserving lives escpecially bunch crazy fanatic cultists normal people supposed dripping sarcasm burned burned working folks david koresh followers broken takes amount flexibility insanity survive world fault stop dancing graves william december starr 
burns dividian ranch survivors reply hambidge organization bristol myers squibb lines article irvine uiuc brent irvine writes article stratus tavares writes article mfrhein michael frederick rhein writes napalm wood stove inside ignite pointed stove warm texas food cold hear electric ovens microwaves popular electric stoves metro areas hear cutting electricity effective electric stove standard disclaimer 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization hand held products lines distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld article green nodak bill green writes shed light fire widely reported witnesses folks starting fires reported fires broke places rules bradley knocking lamp widely reported remember news blackout single sole source rumors truth question media coverare hiding discussion incident moves made proper problems tactics watching special tonight nightline question actions koresh compound time raid wait resulted outcome alive today chance actions blaring loudspeakers action contributed outcome folks sleep deprived tend questions actions general proper reservations feel strongly proper point janet reno balls ahead full responsibility waffle problems figuring stood issue expected hesitated full credit rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization hand held products lines distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld article fontenot rice dwayne jacques fontenot writes green nodak bill green writes shed light fire widely reported witnesses folks starting fires reported fires broke places rules bradley knocking lamp lamp tanks made hole building notice video appeared smoke coming building tank nearby fact appears fires started places rule watched live watched times press vantage point starting point visible tank punched windward side winds whipped fire wooden structure minutes faned gusts hueys fires started visible needed flame progression observed witnesses heard spokesman witnesses people driving tanks witnesses thier paychecks point janet reno balls ahead full responsibility waffle problems figuring stood issue happen media media endorsed version question dwayne jacques fontenot rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham 
guns good riddance organization boeing commercial airplane group lines iftccu talk politics guns jason kratz surrender arms officers collect resistance useless overwhelm time listen buddy quote star trek quote resistance futile time sounds vogon quote read widely watching idiot rick 
burns dividian ranch survivors lines distribution world nntp posting host keele article dduff dave duff case panics jumps facts straight brilliant dave holden phys dept email keele university keele keele staffs england 
american express card organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host sandman caltech thomas parsli writes remember figures deaths texas caused guns beeing killed accidents sentences high poverty influence figures pretty high texas liberal laws texas carry handgun period concealed open numbers misleading include suicides accidents real number department public safety murders fatalities texas liberal laws purchasing firearm restrictive states carry state remember texas impose rule month happened state virginia passed respect defend inflict people inflicts threaten rights life liberty pursuit happiness place criminal indiscriminately fire weapons random explain inflicting people signature computergenerated text waste bandwith bring evil internet thomas parsli thomasp aaron caltech 
rewording amendment ideas organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host sandman caltech foxvog douglas writes nerve mustard defined poisonous gasses individually banned shown related weaponry licenses research purposes chemicals lawyer ideas basis definitions hope realize trivial manufacture compounds equipment chemicals commercially knowledge graduating synthesize compounds make dent population major cities noted knowledge production nuclear weapons restricted thing expense making things simply marginal benefit killing enact respect give ability charge make weapons case chemical agents doubt weapons part trouble chemical weapons treaty ussr precursors chemical weapons sarin valid commercial easy divert precursors chemical weapons manufacture knowing doug foxvog douglas foxvog aaron caltech 
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batf murders waco today organization hand held products lines distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld article roby udel scott roby writes article handheld arras writes article roby udel scott roby writes article betz idbsu andrew betz writes article roby udel scott roby writes suppose prevented coming hands national cameras watch watch miles happenned explained vengeful filter humiliated agency quote happened people hands weeks happen responsible happening children koresh calling shots talking lawyer released safely sane reason keeping children inside compound koresh calling shots sane reasons keeping children parents easy choice spite cold attitude scenario simplest plausible generally conspiracy theories involve complicated scenarios letters martin luther king wife insinuating affair trust supposedly benevolent government release children compound authority worshiper koresh worshiper constitution worshiper authorities feed doubt makes koresh worshiper david koresh vernon howell jesus christ lengthy excerpts australian documentary made showed cult give camera time present excerpts show cult leader guarenteed laugh silly supposition naive easy worked broadcast profession network station late embarrasing footage easy sinister music voice mother agreeing commit view documentary claim source news show showed lengthy excerpts interviews filmmaker made documentary basically confirmed shown excerpts time spent compound news shows excerpts backed position show excerpts disproved points pleased batf handling affair bungled badly start responsible fire started places places wonderful place reported local radio reporters site fire started story tower time story window shown coverage reports multi starts solely observing fire video hard pressed point fire spread compound uniform rate batf means devoid fault handling affair suggest intentionally started fire ludicrous suspect plenty camerapeople risk small arms fire good footage people told hell camera range couldn answer important question root suspicion thought mentioning reagan military treated press grenada precedent decided worthy discussion news reporter shot family government letting danger area reported sued government situation dangers remember batf invited initial coverage simple remote controlled camera ways provide media access root suspicion mind people flee building numerous exits minutes time burn flee hours earlier tear introduced find rational explanation behavior find tear smoke making impossible remove barricades flames blocking exits saferooms shots keeping pinned rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham 
batf murders waco today organization hand held products lines distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld article roby udel scott roby writes article handheld arras writes article roby udel scott roby writes article handheld arras writes article roby udel scott roby writes agree deserved trial days trial chose children stay inside chose stay inside tear gassed find actions rational noriega smart give trial deserved roby government sucking heartless bastard unworthy comment apparently true opinion opinion truth mastering language notice apparently humans died yesterday humans died actions undeniable truth cried died hands empty undeniable truth planned happen gunfire heard keeping folks inside proposing point undeniable walked yesterday alive today undeniable people left compound unharmed alive earier standoff leader preaching apocalypse undeniably mass suicide simply stayed waited days denying chance good ending push roby today moment life precious heart bleeds children released days ample opportunities heart bleeds people blinded religious devotion common sense leave compound tanks started dropping tear early morning heart bleeds bleeding heart doubt feel people heartless things heartless bleeding heart making sense heartless bleeding heart flaming liberal cares deeply feels pain concern children inside compound days sounds pretty heartless continually raised issue understanding bonds parent child easy final goodbye children makes heartless children heard news survivors regret stayed inferno prove loyalty koresh makes sick makes claimed koresh angel deserved fire started place spread quickly wanted motion wanted kind creature heard jonestown thing people inside compound authority worshipers authority koresh howell people able survivors today koresh preached fiery apocalypse early year made authority worshiper point lines back jonestown sick authorities showed pushed fragile person edge bull china shop batf investigated justice dept arlen spectre congress good bungled affair start agree lets investigated means investigated thought ammendment nope constitution total rkba misjudge rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham 
blast time distribution organization georgia institute technology lines article oldham cwru daniel oldham writes happened waco fault batf proper equipment personal captured increased crime streets batf needed blast good fokes arms build waco needed compound mega fire power blasting killed hope joke response batf history knock raids poor evidence resulting innocent people killed suffering injury person property support batf clean equipment batf damn faults intelligence military civilian definitions apply tactics attacking daylight methodology stated government policy assault position combatants potential hostages attempting negotiations legality batf jurisdiction taxes firearms tobacco branch department treasury curiously backed claims illegal weaponry push child abuse charges batf jurisdiction firearms tobacco issues charges child abuse investigated past violence validation clear case batf watched rambo movies opinion agent charge charged executing illegal raid criminal negligence murder civil rights violations breaking oath uphold defend constitution warrant unsealed reveal public justification batf thought committing armed assault american citizens issue investigating issue randy weaver case johnny lawmaster case investigated batf wrongdoing james batf busting windows concussion grenades damn return fire utmost ability james cochrane danger doubt space gatech circles scream shout rent 
impeach clinton reno organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet broward horne nntp posting host hela cwru previous article gatech glenn stone fact janet reno bill clinton admitted responsibility grief deaths waco fact started fire things tape make civil rights case cruel unusual punishment dying tortured rabbits tape mind fact federal felony infringe civil rights color death involved offense carries penalty life prison fact impeachment allowable high crimes misdemeanors federal felony qualify conclusion choice honest people impeach clinton remove reno office heartily agree batf warrant unsealed clear clinton reno supported illegal raid authority knock raid authority helicopters authority search drug apparently authority search automatic weapons days government lies 
burns dividian ranch survivors organization university houston administrative computing lines distribution world nntp posting host uhad admin news reader news reply mikey utexas message mikey utexas writes stratus tavares writes mfrhein michael frederick rhein writes pointed stove warm texas food cold pointing obvious people missed stand people reaction defend aggressor minor quibble assualt began dawn fire break hours find highly cooking lunch armored vehicles punch holes house pumping tear lantern story makes sense fire spread quickly nature buildings high winds daylight guess inner recesses dark shutters closed puts back screw occured problem monolithic entity requires involved mouths shut tended behave total idiots make homocidal maniacs nutcase agent serves purpose blame agency real case koresh start fire convinced rarely making blanket condemnations pronouncments hours confusing incident miles semper jammer miller texas university speak student billing system student billing system power finds stand stand ordinary emmet moore mike levine triumph 
batf revenge organization olde bailey houston lines reply wray sccsi wray nntp posting host utexas jason kratz writing rocket launchers press claims shouldn religious cult rocket launcher child abuse covered bill rights context flaming jason proverbial straw grow weary allegations media people street horrible illegal weapons paraphenalia destruction capable blowing tanks feet missing beat discuss willfully commited mass suicide killed fanatical commited mass suicide things intended blow abode blow waco blow entire country suits fancy happened violence supposed unleash proverbial blaze glory shooting attitude dogs preferred death thought store government hands totally immaterial crazy fanatics followers antichrist haters government practicers weird lifestyles felt pressured renouncing beliefs strange lunatic beliefs precedent devotion conclusion point authorities misread danger society suggested chose incident make heinous point satisfy internal agenda including renbo opportunity assert manhood people subjected perceive godless government force judge personal standards beliefs admire stand surely constitution strength conviction evidenced obesa cantatis olde bailey houston texas sccsi home cosuard 
rewording amendment ideas reply caltech aaron clements message organization dept informatics university oslo norway lines originator thomasp chemical weapons concidered effectiv weapon millitary forces civillians hand good reason banning vast amounts chemicals affective reason price called poor mans bomb thoughts weapons discusion civillians chem weapons bank signature computergenerated text waste bandwith bring evil internet thomas parsli thomasp 
organization netcom online communications services login guest lines article stratus tavares writes hard letter received batf response bentsen search warrant arrest warrant check find arrest warrant issued firefight letter implies warrants issued shootout exlicitly 
american express card organization university houston administrative computing lines distribution world nntp posting host uhad admin news reader news reply caltech message caltech writes thomas parsli writes texas liberal laws texas carry handgun period concealed open bill texas legislature make legal ordinary folks carry concealed weapons details semper jammer miller texas university speak student billing system student billing system power finds stand stand ordinary emmet moore mike levine triumph 
firearms questions organization distribution lines question understand evanston ordinance banning handguns provision call city park illegal handgun collectors possess collectible handguns penalty found fine practical terms handgun defensive shooting apartment city apply impending trial shooting impede defense actual incident park station owner engaged shootout handgun grand jury decided presecute hand black illegally owned handgun park defend village make director lived made stink decided charge pissing anti police thugs drawbacks park police chief house told stepping line dangerous black park police officers watched house ensure white anti police chief anti cronies home family state short barreled weapons short barreled shotgun interested handgun shortened carbine colt marlin cipriani states weapon category allowed exact relationship ithaca auto burgular weapon category chopped barrel class clear thing chance permit rich famous related mayor dreams buddy long democrats reign chicago illinois residents disarmed helpless streets politicians provisions carry concealed weapons voters chicago stupid vote holes office dems power illinois supreme court tilted democratic party views guns candidates supported political consultant david axelrod anti explains anti rkba crook county states attorney jack malley called republican chicago democrats members judiciary fighting chance preemption 
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animal welfare prohibit racing training involving live animals visual lure make applicable facilities racing race training file congress house bill violent crime prevention file congress house bill marlenee january protect persons engaged lawful hunt national forest establishing administrative civil remedy individuals groups intentionally obstructing impeding interfering conduct lawful hunt purposes file congress house bill gingrich february provide swift punishment criminals order deter violent crime america illegal drug file congress house bill weiss january prohibit manufacture transfer importation caliber caliber ammunition file congress house bill rangel january prohibit exports fully automatic semiautomatic assault weapons file congress house bill cunningham april amend title omnibus crime control safe streets deny grant funds states enforcement officers permitted carry concealed firearms file congress house bill schumer july amend title united states code expand scope multiple firearms sales reporting requirement require persons comply state local firearms licensing laws receiving federal license deal firearms file congress house bill schumer august impose criminal penalties failure federal firearms licensee report authorities loss theft firearm inventory collection licensee file congress house bill feighan require waiting period purchase handgun brady bill file congress house bill russo january amend internal revenue code provide excise handguns transferred trust fund purposes providing compensation victims crime purposes file congress senate bill hatch january provide procedures calling federal constitutional conventions article purpose proposing amendments united states constitution file congress senate bill lautenberg march amend title united states code permanently prohibit possession firearms persons convicted violent felony purposes file congress senate bill require waiting period purchase handgun file congress senate bill gore june establish government printing office electronic gateway provide public access wide range federal databases public information stored electronically file congress senate bill chafee june prohibit manufacture importation exportation sale purchase transfer receipt possession transportation handguns ammunition exceptions file congress senate bill mitchell september amend title united states code require waiting period purchase handgun file congress senate bill metzenbaum february control sale assault weapons file congress senate bill moynihan january prohibit manufacture transfer importation caliber caliber millimeter ammunition file congress senate bill symms march amend chapter title united states code provide clarification limitations controls firearms prohibit federal funds political subdivisions implement control ordi nances file congress senate bill deconcini amend chapter title united states code assault weapons file congress senate bill moynihan april prohibit importation semiautomatic 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caliber millimeter ammunition file congress senate bill moynihan january millimeter caliber caliber bullets file congress senate bill lautenberg february prohibit transfer handguns individual period file congress senate bill metzenbaum february amend title united states code require waiting period purchase handgun file free zones text free school zones public file aclu collection articles aclu position control included aclu policy statement aclu interpretation amendment file info collection articles explaining civilian marksmanship program words united states department defense sell battle rifles civilians file dial dial aaron zelman simkin jews preservation firearms ownership jpfo file fija info fully informed jury amendment means owners bear arms file whitemanslaw white william tonso december reason magazine file jefferson inaugural address thomas jefferson president united states file jewishistory jewish history rufutes control activists elliot rothenberg february american rifleman 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dalton united states america john william dalton court appeals tenth circuit court ruled owning transferring post machine punishable file waitdanger waiting periods threaten public safety david kopel march file assault weapon questions answers handgun control citizens safe government file survey state state survey carrying concealed weapons laws file miller united states miller appeal district court united states western district arkansas argued march decided file presser history presser illinois fascinating exercise politically based decisions constitutional rights back haunt file ncbh column neal knox presenting evidence agent edwin welles played major role founding ncbh file conphone list voice phone number representatives senators file billofrights articles amendment united states constitution file constitution constitution united states america file decl indp declaration independence file dont wait criminals wait exposes fraudulent arguments made waiting periods file external positive externalities ownership john kell freeman ideas liberty october file english hist firearms legislation great britain stevenson file simkin control criminals guns edward simkin found march wall street journal file unabridged unabridged amendment neil schulman interview copperud retired professor journalism author american usage style consensus copperud offers professional opinion meaning amendment file uzitruth letter harper wilson director uniform crime reporting program paul blackman research coordinator stating police officer puerto rico shot killed semi automatic model file maketheirday make kates patricia terrell harris national review october kates harris debunk myths firearms criminals violence file myths myths control point blank guns violence america gary kleck file problem assault weapons problem gary kleck published york times tuesday september file oregon study oregon study retail firearm sales licensing file children fighting children hearts minds robert american rifleman april discusses center prevent handgun violence public schools forums anti propaganda file gunssputter guns sputter james wright july issue reason wright exposes flaws england journal medicine study comparing homicide rates seattle vancouver file nejm info collection articles information england journal medicine vancouver seattle handgun crime comparison study file gunssputter authored james wright file dcstudy england journal medicine editorials firearms killing threshold kassirer jerome file dcstudy england journal medicine special article effects restrictive licensing handguns homicide suicide district columbia loftin colin mcdowall david wiersema brian cottey talbert file nejm editorial england journal medicine editorial firearm injuries call science mercy james houk vernon file nejm letters england journal medicine correspondence handgun regulations crime assaults homicide tale cities blackman paul hagen morris david stolinsky david tirer samuel gryder john kuziak john sloan john kellerman arthur kellermann rivara fred koepsell thomas reay donald logerfo james rice charles ferris james gray laurel mercy james houk vernon file suicide england journal medicine special article firearm regulations rates suicide comparison metropolitan areas sloan john henry rivara frederick reay donald ferris james kellermann arthur file suicide england journal medicine correspondence firearm regulations rates suicide blackman paul sloan john henry rivara frederick kellermann arthur file totc england journal medicine special article handgun regulations crime assaults homicide tale cities sloan john henry kellermann arthur reay donald ferris james koepsell thomas rivara frederick rice charles gray laurel logerfo james file open letter paul blackman director office scientific integrity review public health service detailing evaluate integrity competency firearms research conducted centers disease control file rkba rkba files rkba series small lines typically postings 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richard munday handgunner discusses control leanings socialists file grabbers assault rifles neal knox semi auto military styled assault rifles threat society facts determined government released public file founding fathers wimmershoff caplan discuss question founding fathers approved civilian ownership file hcikk handgun control david kopel issue world magazine discusses parallels hate campaigns klux klan handgun control file rkba orgs list organizations devoted preservation amendment file victoria handbook state victoria australia file purposes summary purposes objectives positions control issues file collection articles relating teflon coated armor piercing bullets file thompsoncenter supreme court decision case united states america thompson center arms file gratia concealed weapons prevent tragedies killeen suzanna gratia dallas morning news sunday april file knox lies neal knox military style semi auto threat public safety fundamentally ordinary hunting weapons grabbers exploiting image class weapons enact control file crimestrik mounts militant campaign taking criminal justice system alix freedman staff reporter wall street journal file media prohibition medical literature telling truth edgar suter discusses anti bias medical journals file guns court psychologist guns good children week glen david skoler court psychologist arlington county claims toys violence including guns fact good children file awca appeal text circuit court appeals fresno rifle pistol club challenge california roberti roos assault weapon control file rkba bear arms plank national platform libertarian party reproduction libertarian party brochure responsible ownership equal rights america owners entire national platform anonymous file libernet libertarian platform file july article july august issue enforcement technology survey police officers views control file nacp poll study conducted national association chiefs police nacp american enforcement survey chiefs police sheriffs enforcement command personnel polled list questions determined overwhelming majority officers support private arms ownership agreed bans effect crime file advert propaganda soliciting contributions file transcript transcription video tape america national handgun control policy file gartner michael gartner president news calls handguns today thursday january editorial file resolution passed voting membership national convention anaheim stating support party candidates file cooley thomas cooley general principles constitutional united states america leading constitutional commentator discussed rights protected amendment file kilpatrick curb rising murder rate james kilpatrick louis post dispatch tuesday june kilpatrick expresses support national firearms proposed everett koop requirement owners pass competency test things file vanity fair summary page article sarah brady appeared january issue vanity fair magazine question true wanted protect hinckley answer brady file goldwin control constitutional robert goldwin wall street journal edtorial page thrusday december file anniston articles murder averted anniston alabama permit importance event closely murders hennard texas media cover anniston file staggers brady survey public support staggers instant background check brady waiting period basic finding public understands advantages instant background check problems brady waiting period support brady waiting period diminishes greatly file brady vote congress voted staggers instant background check brady waiting period file vote congress voted volkmer sensenbrenner amendment strike control sections administration crime bill file vote senate voted repeal district columbia anti strict liability file covey control facts weighing values monograph based crime inequality guns equity preston covey director center advancement applied ethics carnegie mellon university addresses desirability bans ethical aspects equity issues values stake management mortal risks deadly force instruments file assays bias assays bias amendment media elite preston covey director center advancement applied ethics excerpts longer monograph file cleveland critique accidental firearm fatalities metropolitan county rushforth hirsch ford adelson american journal epidemiology study lies heart control claim owning firearm defense dangerous claims defensive study times innocent person lawful defense originated report robert kesten file tiananmen lessons lessons tiananmen square neal knox reprinted guns ammo september amendment important todays progressive included description bonus march washington douglas macarthur opposed unemployed veterans lobbying government immediately promised veteran bonus file forward trace california dealer defies forward trace neal talbot week march details batf bullies holders giving batf copies violation federal file justice stats handgun crime victims michael rand bureau justice statistics statistician department justice bureau justice statistics special report describes findings analysis handgun crimes reported national crime survey describes victims hand crime handgun crime nature extent handgun crime injury information handgun offenders location handgun crimes crime reported police file chafee included transcript press conference senator john chafee supreme court justice warren burger chafee handgun speaking vernon jordan member jimmy carter white house mayor sharon pratt kelly michael beard national coalition stop violence michael casserly executive director council great city schools carden johnston representing american academy pediatrics article neal knox describes sarah brady kicked president charles orasin disagreement chafee handgun article burger support file alarmist view registration alarmist view vanwormer reprinted december guns ammo rkba moderate radical file fackler papers list articles martin fackler wound ballistics write copies file great american barry bruce briggs public interest fall file george repeal amendment save lives george file reeves drastic steps home richard reeves date publication rkba archive studies prove control works richard reeves kansas city star file canada list reproduction brochure canadian department justice listing newly prohibited restricted firearms june included point system determine firearm reviewed banning file copkiller lyrics rock song killer album body count file letter california voters alliance support effort defeat anti california assemblyman terry friedman author california waiting period rifles shotguns file astrology criminology astrology approach public health research firearms violence paul blackman institute legislative action national rifle association paper presented annual meetings american society criminology baltimore maryland november file panic assault weapon panic political correctness takes constitution eric morgan david kopel published independence institute october file state rkba collection rkba provisions state constitutions file late chapter late thought free germans milton mayer university chicago press file militia code legal definition militia united states america united stated code title section section file legal crime report firearms coalition silver spring neal knox knox reports legally registered machine drug subsequent reports charges dropped lack evidence file cash donation records senators congressmen file paulreverenet information paul revere network amendment bulletin boards paul revere network coast coast network committed grass roots rights activists rely computer bulletin board systems primary mode communication leroy pyle director year jose police veteran founder director based jose pyle hubs network message traffic file talk information bulletin board talk file congressgrades grading congressmen based votes brady bill staggers volkmer sensenbrenner amendment strike anti provisions house crime bill file lawmaster feds trash abiding owner home official journal march richard gardiner details batf raided home johnny lawmaster search existent unregistered auto sear file point blank concluding chapter point blank gary kleck file purdy rapsheet patrick purdy criminal record file progundocs statement purpose contact information doctors integrity research public policy file orlando summary effects highly publicized orlando training program women trained basic pistol marksmanship defense file form signoff letter wayne miller chief national firearms branch batf stating local enforcement signoff form application taxpaid transfer registration firearm machine completely discretionary file badlands zealand firearms control robert badlands paper presented conference control held melbourne university union theatre august conference sponsored sporting shooters association australia file danto issues control america bruce danto paper presented conference control held melbourne university union theatre august conference sponsored sporting shooters association australia file fine impediments purposeful reform australian firearms laws fine paper presented conference control held melbourne university union theatre august conference sponsored sporting shooters association australia file greenwd untitled paper colin greenwood paper presented conference control held melbourne university union theatre august conference sponsored sporting shooters association australia file kates control recent research american experience kates paper presented conference control held melbourne university union theatre august conference sponsored sporting shooters association australia file marsden control banker perspective marsden paper presented conference control held melbourne university union theatre august conference sponsored sporting shooters association australia note paper impossible read original scan readable copy supplied file backdoor back door control peter alan kasler january issue american survival guide magazine kasler discusses examples innocent people firearms confiscated charged crime committed examples control implemented real world file armed citizen armed citizen feature american rifleman american hunter stories show firearms defense file botsford case control david botsford file academia bias fighting anti bias academia article downloaded talk file story story erik larson atlantic january file reports firearms coalition neal knox files named numbers report firearms coalition file side freedom united states program general complete disarmament peaceful world official publication united states america government file nccfa contact information national collegiate coalition firearms awareness file canada facts canadian control laws ownership violent crime file time letter time magazine form letter response criticism death issue file school health objectives nation weapon carrying high school students united states edited david dodell proposes ways reduce carrying firearms high school students file congress cover congress covers public paul craig roberts printed cleveland plain dealer october file hamper restrictions hamper abiding folks criminals david kopel printed columbus dispatch january points waiting periods great deal harm file schumer gripe washington post letter editor congessman charles schumer discussing bill requires enforcement sign applications file article lawsuit soldier fortune forced business article copyright archived permission respect distribution prohibition file stats summary permit statistics state florida number permits issued number revoked number denied proves people obtaining permits abiding citizens wreckless firearms file knox ruger knox replies comment ruger counsel week december neal knox discusses sturm ruger sacrifice rkba benefit business file american blacks control american blacks raymond kessler united states experience blacks slavery clearest documented examples political functions control file nraction ilas newsletter nraction names month year nraction file americamilitia america militia david kopel appeared world magazine december file agenda action agenda national policy file newsletter handgun control semi annual progress report december file hattoripetition petition written host family japanese exchange student yoshihiro hattori killed wrong home halloween party protest easy availability firearms united states presented president clinton file election election means control movement sarah brady file centerwall university washington pyschiatrist brandon centerwall writing april american journal epidemiology television exposure related half homicides united states file outrage outrage virginia neal knox describes batf virginia dealer general strawman sales traced guns back claim guns traced dealer stopped cooperating convicted conducting strawman sales owners committed suicide file factcard firearms fact card published file nejm letter editor wall street journal preston covey factoid times kill criminal file gifford piece gifford appeared march issue cleveland plain 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news batf indictment warrant unsealed organization distribution lines question californians guns reginald denny trial wall street journal article police whining guns excuse police employees government janitor complain conditions californians form armed block clubs engage coordinated strategies batf attempt disarm based nefarious tipster theory enforcement unlike waco californians able destroy armored vehicles city streets incendiary weapons acetylene slowing abandoned blockades garands easily outclass batf shock troops smgs sony walkmans boom boxes overwhelm operation good time billary clinton wanted gunowners batf attempt show anti press charge charge light brigade attempt show charge californian national guard level area artillary 
jffo nntp posting host beretta organization intermetrics distribution lines read posted long article jpfo observations article claim verbatim translation nazi place book talking compare things section section implication similarities devastating sentence talk book reproduce german text nazi translation surprisingly reader easily conflate things single idea american literal translation nazi thing mutated urban folklore style article great pains establish senator dodd copy nazi time nurnberg prosecution team fact considered highly incriminating understand author repeats times simply unable imagine possession original text paragraph explains perfectly dodd copy original german text nazi weapons time nurnberg part collection documents issues reichsgesetzblatt german registry bingo dodd book series nazi laws including discussion stuff congressman copy nazi melts author admission continues acquired original german text nazi weapons service nurnberg specific reason absolutely reason case fact senior member team helped prosecute nazi criminals copy arguments nazi weapon historical interest author dodd personally prosecuted interior minister signed herrings established dodd owned copy original german text jpfo article draw sinister implications fact asked translated problem context charge levelled dodd things work people things translated dodd preserve nazi idea someday introducing american surely meant precise charge main questioned earlier posting silly dodd exact translation purpose idea controllers bent disarming populace goal eventually destroying civil liberties needed crib sheet idea author perfectly acceptable answer question dodd offered copy nazi weapons show specific proposal resemble nazi fact translation entered congressional record heading documents history nazism confiscation dodd motivation mystery asked translation order article makes clear part nazi added nazi regime small part registration guns instance begun nazi inspired idea parts nazi parallel include handgun control sort identification weapons sporting weapons jpfo list parts nazi forbidding ownership weapons jews provisions american rhetorical move guaranteed muddy waters immediately discussion anti jewish parts jpfo article continues parallels nazi weapons maximum emotional mileage aspect porges porges camb inmet uunet inmet porges 
friends neil smith nntp posting host ucsu colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article papresco math uwaterloo paul prescod writes article allanh allan heim writes figure reliable means keeping guns people interfering good people problem methods trick manufacture sell import guns fewer people hunting weapons allowed long bulky require reloading shots times shoot animal assumes moving assume fewer guns make country sounds great guns inherently evil guns hands care illegally commit crime great crime nice system reducing number guns coming society making illegal manufacture sell import coutry parallel empiric evidence amount cocaine country manufacture sale importation lawwed statement true plan apply drugs general plain 
holocaust revisited organization ghostbuster central southern usenet access nashua lines government campaign persecution genocide branch davidians resounding success heil clinton heil reno gestapo alive living washington kevin agrees david koresh rate nutcase firmly believes bill rights guaranteed religious fanatic government guilty violating civil rights degree murder small represented congress religious group persecute torch church rolled copy constitution sick 
text white house announcement clipper chip encryption organization grill distribution lines article strnlght david sternlight writes agree place discuss guns note passing number apologists words regulated distorted interpretations amendment interpretations read written regulated militia security free state people bear arms infringed people members militia infringed militia bear arms infringed educated businessmen ability nation compete international marketplace people attend schools infringed interpret businessmen protected attend schools 
brady bill loopholes keywords brady handguns instant check waiting period lines nntp posting host skndiv dseg reply pyron dseg organization dseg support distribution article shepard mark shepard writes finished reading questions brady bills good current versions brady bill status bills heard committee close made filibuster senate things backing house judiciary start friends bill held note things change quickly fairly similar important differences missed loopholes appeals process wrongful denial waiting period civil lawsuit appeals process required instant background check system established thought correction process bills parts police explicitly liable mistakes denying approving existing records inaccurate record corrected correct includes exception waiting period clause person convince local chief enforcement officer cleo threat life life household member considered threat place limit long cleo takes issue exception statement world privileged true misunderstood holes compulsion purchase evidence stop person clean record buying guns grinding serial numbers selling crooks minimum additional laws needed prevent illegal counting scheme needed john owns guns passes surprised legislation stricter harder forge national registration justified make brady bill work health card paranoids claim paranoid comment interested specific problems current legislation start general discussion merits waiting period bills proposed dillon pyron opinions expressed dseg lewisville support sender stated home texans vote robin hood pyron dseg solutions gestures padi 
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senate bill numbers house resolution numbers organization ideology busters lines article michael phelps writes firearms archive larry cipriani instructions follow archive larry bills archive main fight david robinson scanning subdirectory bills stored moved congress congress godiva nectar anon firearms politics rkba congress larry cipriani cipriani 
riddle organization university brunswick distribution lines article fcrary colorado frank crary writes article fuller writes harmful sensitive caring janet reno tear large concentrations dangerous toxic small children makes supposedconcern safety children hypocritical mention believed children masks respect children point gassing feds knew children health danger proceeded assumption motherly instinct davidian women remove harm busted observed administration appeal woman motherly instinct wash feminists liberals republican white house justification feminist mindset read paper yesterday type paper provide specifics guess writing malcolm fuller surveying engineering university brunswick malcolm malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem 
burns dividian ranch update nntp posting host mushroom psych indiana organization psych department indiana university distribution lines writes liberal weenies woodwork defend burning children liberals deplored burning children preferred davidians fire burned children death responsibility fire complete absense attempts escape blaze door federal authorities drooled watching coverage wife convenient plastic drip christmas nazi germany yeah nazis liberals love nazis yeah claims media survivors number vary minute minute yeah information trickles funny works nathan engle software juggler psychology department indiana university nate psych indiana nengle indiana 
info suicide refutation lines organization university tennessee division continuing education distribution article loki nmsu entropic destroyer writes quoted tail condescending article paxton quigley appeared snooze world lies wall street journal repeated colorado people daily student newspaper university colorado boulder study residential gunsot deaths king county wash found home times kill owner spouse friend child kill intruder kill heart misinformation technically accurate phrasings conveys wrong impression quiqley aware people read violent arguments member family grabs shoots creating tragic situation easily avoided tragic accident involving child things stack majority times suicides intentionally firearm shot intending kill popular blame suicides guns evidence support internal studies comparative studies countries cultural factors outweigh person kill japan instance slightly higher rate people jump buildings national crime survey violent crime commited strangers mistakenly generalized king county study friends family quigley quote statistic banking mental image friend family member child equates loving relationship short moment anger husbands beat kill wives children assault parents vice versa rapes commited victim instance essentially friend family member hurt person crime highest poor urban families areas risk family problems violent gang loving parents disapprove suburban finally hinges fallacy dead intruder defense firearm minimum figures worked ratio deadly defenses justifiable homicides defenses uniform crime report enormous amount data calculator crunch numbers incorrect assume dead body valid means determining success defense considered report defenses successful defenses intruders killed confines home attack friend family member excludes defense occurs home large number occur businesses studies western psychiatric institute pittsburgh found mere presence home sharply incresases likelihood family member commit suicide absence psychiatric illness exact data comment point canada japan suicide rate indications culture firearm availability affect suicide rates comparative study canada worth difficulty comparing cultural lines published england journal medicine exact cite concluded restrictive firearm laws significantly impact suicide rate david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
american express card organization computer science department stanford university distribution lines article jason kratz writes article andy stanford andy freeman hell glock thing switched thing glock lack real safety thing trigger great safety kratz understand safety supposed confuses things things exist glocks multiple safeties visible excuse safety supposed kratz comments show basic purpose fire ready bingo question glock qualify evidence kratz christ crosman make assumptions proves comments based kratz writes free argue babbles text line safety supposed user glocks pulling trigger safeties make work real safety matter kratz thinks things read heard glocks knocked trigger safety supposedly harder learn properly harder note revolvers work harder revolvers article read wrong damn thing kratz sample unrepresentative reasoning basically glocks dangerous generation part true people claim revolvers share relevant property dangerous argument fails quote sources magazines care bogus reasoning guns articles laying make simple statement make hundreds simple statements make accurate simple statements attaboy mail publically accuracy severe burden manage andy 
american express card organization computer science department stanford university distribution lines article jason kratz writes shooting range gang members practicing shooting article andy stanford andy freeman gang members undercover cops abiding menacing minorities sneer quotes area shop shooting range border west side chicago gang infested area kratz gang member gang infested areas residents gang members minorities gangs quotes concerned totally obvious practicing marksmanship obvious target kratz confuse marksmanship simulate post excludes defense shooting rest understand exclusion error excludes legit games practice marksmanship taking coat fast start shooting sounds practical pistol ipsc sounds defense shooter practice things action excludes hunting post shooting kratz andy 
guns backcountry organization computer science department stanford university lines article freenet john gever writes public health experts stolen family member actual criminal number suicides murders drug dealer legit defenses battered spouse number larger number defense killings strangers committed bedroom honestly count quibble claim comparison costs defense benefits wrong comparison measure costs defense measure benefits goal kill attacker relationship stop number killings proportional number stops equal confuses comparison honest evaluation lying andy 
change lines organization university tennessee division continuing education article thomas parsli writes note posting reply torching plasce filling napalm arrested people dissapering waco batf handle situations reminds stun bomb beeing dropped house helicopter block flames died conspiracy screwed conspiracy hands vaugely similar feds showed distinct lack intelligence disregard safety mess batf screwed made concerned director william sessions engaging called spin control place cooled evertyhing literally blown faces felt important david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
sale organization university maryland department electrical engineering lines distribution nntp posting host bree article keith emmen writes keeping list potential contributors conditions folks interested acquiring worth stock today traded everyday piece work proxy votes good investment chuck harris chuck 
waco clinton press conference part nntp posting host lonestar utsa organization university texas antonio lines article feustel david feustel writes predict outcome study wrong federal assault waco result future assaults type conducted full scale military operations explicit shoot kill directives fooled remember waco government decide murder opinions mine care blame university state 
american express card lines organization university tennessee division continuing education article thomas parsli writes remember figures deaths texas caused guns firearm related beeing killed accidents texas unusual regard nice reduce texas murder rate higher national average expect result higher suicide rate suffer nice suffer agree live sociaty therefor give freedom note problem perfectly government regulation harm discussing extreme regulation large group order target small group insurance paying return goods steal bonus live people ererything burping farting playing music loud justify point draw line thinking government substantial percentages punish individual draw line state remember texas impose rule month happened virginia passed respect defend inflict people realize problem america problem drunk driver hope cure cute analogy treat drunk driving crime confiscate cars people drink confiscate cars people drink drive core legal system order punish individual call property confiscation punishment evidence individual show majority people convicted murder white order convict white murder hope life comfirms standard winnie david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
impeach clinton reno reply dbernard central organization microsystems lines nntp posting host clesun central heartily agree batf warrant unsealed clear clinton reno supported illegal raid authority knock raid authority helicopters authority search drug apparently authority search automatic weapons days government lies missed give update warrant heard unsealed authority knock news wiretap summarize 
waco masada organization nasa lewis research center lines nntp posting host hooch lerc nasa fcrary colorado frank crary writes mike full auto newsome writes sick stomach write compound fire burn ground minutes word reply suggest ending siege weeks masada government action defenders held long killed families children surrender israel calls action zelots heroic trains army follow repeated action modern times call liberals supporters clinton costs made action steve podleski phone nasa lewis research center cleveland ohio email pspod lerc nasa 
batf murders waco today organization computer science indiana university lines roby udel scott roby writes article fontenot rice dwayne jacques fontenot writes article roby udel scott roby writes article vojak stortek bill vojak writes point fire inside building direct result actions batf people inside including children deserved trial days hands national trial deserved chose fire compund hours tanks dropped tear correction davidians fire buildings suppose prevented coming hands national cameras watch attorneys davidians reported larry king tanks damaged structure extent effectuating egress building difficult rapidly spreading fire large amounts smoke tear finding exits acceptible holes walls impossible find explanation completely plausible true find intrinsically believable government stories davidians methanphetamine basement davidians machine guns disbelieve balance reaction question authority independent facts video adopt scenario simplest plausible generally conspiracy theories involve complicated scenarios concur batf means devoid fault handling affair suggest intentionally started fire ludicrous lawyers davidian survivors lanterns knocked probing fire started tragic accident true trust snivelling piece special agent ricks comedian media laugh sick jokes guilty imho batf making sick today people inside compound fire made sick keeping children inside compund released earlier people weeks absolutely inexcuseable releasing deciding place afire work madmen escaped compound fire deliberately cult members correction fire deliberately sect members fire accident people compound expected cult members flee compound shooting investigated eventually idea happened view beginning operation botch completely cases abiding citizens victims bureaucratic execution paul hager hagerp indiana give devil benefit safety sake seasons robert bolt 
guns backcountry organization computer science department stanford university lines article pkgeragh uchicago kevin geraghty writes wrong guns protection mindset ignores systemic effects cumulative individual actions fire insurance house prudent effect bunch paranoids packing handguns backcountry makes chose protect manner pretty king nervous threat affected logical conclusion suppose carried handguns time protection people carrying handguns collectively feel safer hell feel insecure note psych info feelings security increase victimization stats increase rational systemic effect good people protecting people modify behavior response itchier kill people routine muggings nope happen switch change behaviors property crimes improvement economic unchanged switches killing andy 
backcountry confidence organization computer science department stanford university lines article mech virginia brad whitehurst writes rest fall middle violent crime turning country time dodge city american west interesting statement difference hollywood west real drunks saloons mining camps thugs mcgrath showed thugs preyed exclusively mcgrath claims fact cared insisted fight lost care thugs preyed citizens able weapons sense types figured distinctions work machine guns strictly regulated regulation perfect legally owned machine guns criminally complete waste time criminal machine guns change result arguing guns machine guns guns andy 
dillon puts foot mouth film organization zets university pittsburgh pitt lines heard claiming thant address member case membership rolls grossly inflated call give address false rolls copy existing membership pretend existing member thousand times hurt names power remeber fact million paid members order flex muscles politicians realize lying tactics wait minute learned politicians josh 
dillon puts foot mouth lines blue press suggests bankrupt requesting information concern list members claim calls member claim mandate firearms solar system wheter call information hand respect editor blue press becaue mike makes damned good presses dies powder scales tired atacks dillon mike calls karesh transdillidians local state assemblyman called complete bolt action military rifles assault weapons wait purchase permits takes working days permit year flood calls guess called supporting move guess 
dillon puts foot mouth film organization factory mushroom farm lines article justice michael justice writes dillon published letter blue press telling people bankrupt requesting information time idea guns couple people counts information requestors members confirm deny true impact thousand members heard members million true play duelling mandates polymath jerry hollombe hollombe head robot wrangler citicorp laws define crime ocean park blvd police enforce laws santa monica citizens prevent crime 
jffo nntp posting host distribution lines rats morris writes post evidence control verbatim transcription nazi evidence laws basically identical evidence copy evidence authors nazi guide ended roughly thing shared goal disarming menacing minorities thought thing jpfo rkba article latest guns ammo newstands article makes thomas dodd back asked translation german weapons laws back read article jpfo argument note kennedy john dingell originals left stuff folks request john dingell introduce legislation lift support heartedly andy post general idea 
constitutionality nntp posting host distribution lines brians brian sheets writes reading make sence wondering provided paragraph unlawful person transfer possess machinegun dictionary found person artificial entity created government rights federal constitution understand statute enforced individual government possess passing make laws constitional court court mill guilty jail claimed possess told supreme court brian sheets truck truck support engineer atlas telecom raiders lost brians lawyer understanding congress rights enumerated constitution prime reason national firearms based collecting revenue congress authority levy taxes registration requirement assist collection order constitutional basis authority granted congress constitution congress arbitrarily substance product prohibition effect passing ammendment constitutionality clarified unconstitutional constitutional determined supreme court unconstitutional nature unconstitutional invalidates inception correct wrong deemed unconstitutional convicted breaking absolved challenged court invalidated federal district court cases appellate level rock island armory dalton 
firearms organization santa cruz operation lines ifas firearms tend fall dollar pound area economic smuggle production local people skill motivation assemble worthwhile firearms scratch high ranking crime figures obtain imported uzis average person average thug lucky nose good point make definition crude homemade capable sustained accurate fire means normal recall tiny single shot pistols made allies world partisans essentially made zipguns incapable effective fire feet means killing german soldiers guns note crowd pleasin favorite sten specifically designed require machine work point made make sten clone steel tubing hand tools welder point good difference marijuana firearms quality marijuana grown locally import stuff guns banned demand real guns sufficient make smuggling economically feasible rendering moot case result people criminals firearms continue access situation allan heim allanh uunet allanh 
batf reply waco organization hand held products lines distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld article intel dennis willson writes february special agents attempting serve federal search warrant dressed apparel identified letters highly visible police type badge additionally special agents announced purpose compound immediately announcement gunfire erupted compound resulting deaths special agents wounding fault element surprise lost caused tragedy statement simply amazes fault element surprise lost element surprise paragraph preceding special agents announced purpose compound serve federal warrant element surprise needed element surprise lost needed preemptive strike warning warrants remain sealed magistrate investigation remains active ongoung status prohibited disclosing information time read wait fabricate anymore disproven hope responsive letter service sincerely daniel make signature deputy director facts opinions observations rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham 
info suicide refutation organization mexico state university lines distribution nntp posting host rever nmsu newsreader version entropic destroyer loki nmsu wrote numbers quoted specific refutation quoted kind email relevant information write letter editor daily published send copy responded letter written making liberal info provided folks handed paper post paper loki nmsu liberty death taylordf colorado send read begin public block version mqcnaitfksqaaeeakceejwi kmjykp logc dghrpbmy xhoo kpehmdyuf bfdqsj kostz hroshsdzlvul vpjmmntfr ummex qabsvhcfshvjvk wosucmo yxjaaux tcreyw pzwwgribuyxlsb igpexva laywnjys ubxn lmvkdt public block 
guns backcountry organization idacom division hewlett packard lines canada enters national park sealed small metal trigger result protect bears psychos national parks sensitive dangers annoyances hiking bear country precautions policy makes users national parks feel closer nature part nature deal nature terms 
truth starts distribution organization stephen austin state university lines article pprun uswc uswest writes thing write congressperson batf storm troopers allowed demand full investigation waco survivor story lantern knocked tank bring back dead able send political hell heard yesterday morning arlan specter senator pennsylvania called congressional investigation problem specter government attorneys years coverup facts assassinations chief check house writing representatives great idea specter cronies investigation post generic addresses congress senate write letters gaut super state matter happened neck proud truth government chooses justice happen garrison orleans 
waco clinton press conference part organization northwest nexus lines nntp posting host nwfocus cathyf rice catherine anne foulston writes stop posting stuff general politics sufficient stuff belongs cathy cathy foulston rice university network systems support cathyf 
andy stop people summary guns kill keywords guns handguns rifles shotguns reply stevef uucp steven fordyce distribution organization handmade designs salem lines article carleton nikolaus maack writes kills people people kill people guns truth good alternative ignore guns defence crime accidents fatal firearm accidents year number decline early century accidents involve rifles shot guns handguns designed fire bullet shoot cardboard outs range fact guns bullets designed specifically idea ruger mark bull barrel semi auto caliber handgun designed kill hurt people defense surprise designer hurt shot kill simply wrong designed kill people designed tool home defence show leave fact time defensive firearms involve firing shots criminals prefer shot effort including point called design tool easily carried immediately stop attacking handgun experience shows work designed fire bullet human body hurt tough concept swallow argues handguns type discussing deadly weapons simply true designed kill people wrong deadly weapons times perfectly legitimate deadly force defense duty defend family includes knowing tools strongest reason people retain bear arms resort protect tyranny government jefferson jefferson true trouble item bullet wrong fleshy target compared uncle frank pissed blows wife common compared rare violent person suddenly pissed kill cases people murder long histories violence good reason people kill feel free present thing specificly designed kill means easier kill things times killing things called hope shoot person kill number animals rodents cows suffer prefer instantly failing drop quickly finish shot failing fast choose weapon ammunition achieve goal size animal work plan belaboring point people overly impressed killing shopping power guns handguns purpose accidental deaths deaths auto deaths fall deaths drowning deaths fire deaths poison deaths food deaths firearm source statistics department national safety council accidents facts edition national safety council michigan avenue chicago rkba declining trend accidental deaths firearms version changed description accidental deaths firearm capita declining steadily sixty years accidental deaths firearm people decline steady consistent fairly straight line plotted rate sixty years reach conclusion firearms declining factor accidental deaths sixty years rising capita ownership year population accidental deaths accidental deaths sources bureau census historical statistics united states colonial times bicentennial edition part washington bureau census statistical abstract united states edition washington bureau census statistical abstract united states edition washington kleck gary guns defense crime control force private sector social problems orstcs opac stevef steven fordyce uunet sequent ether stevef fair 
statement lines folks realize stuck foot mouth times make clarifications inaccurate information posts lack knowledge kind kind people learning people good points ponder wrong inaccurate information supposed anti times listening anti control race worms opened thing prejudiced things stated demonstrate prejudiced racist accused aware race prejudiced anymore subject matter wrong thing start group things worse life hope clears things guess remain jason 
criminals machineguns organization university illinois urbana champaign distribution lines andy stanford andy freeman writes article jason kratz writes people killed gang violence single hear people killed gang violence weapons confiscated kratz claiming reliably visually distinguish difference semi auto full auto difference versions full auto semi auto remember selector swtich remember correctly correct wrong switch position position semi automatic position semi auto fire full auto fire round bursts correct easy distinguish modified full auto fire easy talking distinguishing unmodified guns selector switch switch semi auto fully auto fire love hear details demonstrate kratz blowing smoke design properties common kids neighborhood young figured parents richard petty looked paint things kratz pretty hard kids neighborhood figure richard petty lived neighborhood left stock driveway make difference doesn irrelevant visual inspection worked acceptable doesn fact good person correct guess acceptable good picture picture lower receiver andy gave kratz chance back private jason kratz andy offer back private 
firearms reply cmort christopher morton organization north coast public access cleveland distribution lines quoted anthonyf anthony francisco cmort wanted proof nonsense build guns claim farther philippines amateur gunsmiths regularly produce automatics full auto shotguns claim philippines technologically superior transportation living fantasy world blow hands life marry imelda marcos hand compatriots built excellent copy beretta enjoyed lived philippines hmm hard stuff copy bunch educated york jewish aclu lawyers fighting eliminate school prayer public schools arkansas holly silva 
control nntp posting host ucsu colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article uucp myrto writes find hard understand people apparantly connected government privileged great lengths redefinitions interpretations full bore attempt throw protection rights constitution makes lemmings running lemming year jefferson madison folks quote montesque asked russia democracy time russia nation slaves people deserve russia changed great deal nations frank crary boulder 
american express card reply viking sorenson message organization dept informatics university oslo norway lines originator thomasp clubs member borrow weapons suprised supposed train months start bigger drivers licence forgot land cars scandinavia northern europe easy average time hours training cost acceptable drivers tend hurt lincence abuse goverment main problems harder control abused goverment paranoid offence goverment elections guns criminals weapons criminals today stolen criminals weapons points control control strict scandinavia europe dont problem smuggled guns mixing weapons things meant cars kill guns guns cars kill argue issue hope agree criminals main problem guns problem discusion interesting jugoslavia weapons rigth kill innocent people problem humans guns murders axes impose regulations ment trees problem axer flame killed guns situation angeles people buying guns protect good situation rigth deal problem buys guns protect criminals neighbor guns happen flame englishmen northern irland control works england fonds reasons bomb innocents throwing stones glass houses flame children jugoslav oppinion guns peace numbers crime rates restrictions shot guns police statistisk sentralbyraa understood sorenson word responsible owners problem affected protect citicens signature computergenerated text waste bandwith bring evil internet thomas parsli thomasp 
guns good riddance reply cmort christopher morton organization north coast public access cleveland lines quoted ifas press public voting public flow history kind sounds plessy ferguson case things change fucking violent solutions passe avoid situations encourage criminals safe fantasy pass country disengenuous violent solutions passe government criminals frequently distinguished avoid situations encourage criminals woman black surfeit unarmed victims discourage beloved engaging violent solutions bunch educated york jewish aclu lawyers fighting eliminate school prayer public schools arkansas holly silva 
real reason politicians guns confiscated organization dafco software support consulting lines politicians eliminate private ownership guns general public starts violently resisting increases needed fund federal government higher percentage revenue interest national debt cents dollar collected rising dave feustel beginning forward reaching allocation taxes interest national debt point federal government business lack funds 
islam borders israel misisipi ganges originator hasan mcrcim mcgill nntp posting host lightning mcrcim mcgill organization mcgill research centre intelligent machines lines article ehrlich bitnet gideon ehrlich writes hassan ware jews celebrating days thje passover holliday holidy nile imagination freely work beter write zionist drean misisipi nile question east west misisipi choice loose palestine broklyn thought fromn misisipi back misisipi borders islamic world dreams islamic readers waiting honest answer establish islamic state free occupied lands dream expansion gideon hasan 
mutlus dance head disclaimer public access unix system university denver denver community university control responsibility opinions users organization public access unix denver math dept lines article warren writes jfurr async joel furr writes mutlus dance head reminds armenian massacre turks joel invoke greps mason kibo include daily rounds dunno warren heard rumor serdar argic hasan mutlu ahmed cosar zumabot turk fact armenian attempting make discussion massacres armenia turks noise laden make discussion impossible cloaking historical record tremendous cloud confusion 
mutlus dance head article news organization university california irvine lines nntp posting host orion article jfurr joel furr writes article warren writes jfurr async joel furr writes mutlus dance head reminds armenian massacre turks joel invoke greps mason kibo include daily rounds dunno warren heard rumor serdar argic hasan mutlu ahmed cosar zumabot turk fact armenian attempting make discussion massacres armenia turks noise laden make discussion impossible cloaking historical record tremendous cloud confusion track zuma determine seradr assu identity shielded policies similar place anonymous services simpl 
feed armenians dirt bite dust senel vanderbilt hakan organization vanderbilt university summary armenians correcting political record nntp posting host snarl lines article sdpa david davidian writes article hilmi hilmi eren writes david davidian armenians lose lack food fuel warmth fascists turkey show teeth good turkey lose yell scream barking dogs davidian fascists armenians azerbaijan killing azeri people invading azeri soil fascists lack food strange explanation excuse situation herkesi fasist diye damgala sonra kendileri fasistligin alasini yapinca kaldilar yiyecekleri amcasi seferlik affedin yurruu yuru plaka numarani alalim hakan 
jews latvia documents article zuma reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article nwbernst amherst neil bernstein writes pardon amherst clown chiefs hamazasp kulkhandanian ringleaders bands destroyed tartar villages staged massacres zangezour surmali etchmiadzin zangibasar intolerable armenia expecting response source papazian patriotism perverted baikar press boston pages appendix paragraph real fighters sprang people struck terror hearts turks months began armenian guerrilla forces operating close coordination russians savagely attacking turkish cities towns villages east massacring inhabitants mercy time working sabotage ottoman army effort destroying roads bridges raiding caravans ease russian occupation atrocities committed armenian volunteer forces accompanying russian army severe russian commanders compelled withdraw fighting fronts rear guard duties memoirs russian officers served east time filled accounts revolting atrocities committed armenian guerrillas savage primitive standards observed areas journal guerre deuxieme artillerie forteresse russe erzeroum honored reproducing text produced documents jews latvia asks views turkish genocide debate hundred threads people bring usual charges debunk mutlu argic cosar wide terrorism triangle spurious evidence happen window fascist soviet armenian government east existent list scholars moronian world ensuing years armenian dictatorship premeditated systematic genocide complete centuries policy annihilation turks kurds savagely murdering million muslims deporting rest year homeland paragraph written interesting serdar baby jews latvia presented list scholars interested soviet write cute armenian government fascist responding writing autoposting brand bullshit conversing brick wall responding writing bullshit justly regarded instance genocide century acted entire people thousand years turkish kurdish people lived homeland hundred oppressive soviet armenian occupation persecutions culminated armenian government planned carried genocide muslim subjects million turks kurds murdered remainder driven homeland thousand years turkish kurdish lands empty turks kurds survivors found safe heaven turkiye today soviet armenian government rejects turks kurds return muslim lands occupied soviet armenia today soviet armenia covers genocide perpetrated predecessors accessory crime humanity soviet armenia crime genocide muslims admitting crime making reparations turks kurds times legitimately conclude regular user auto posting computer program convenience called mutlu assert mutlu famed list sources ditto attempt genocide justly regarded instance genocide century acted entire people event incontrovertibly proven historians government international political leaders ambassador mark bristol lines anxiously awaiting list find jews latvia post documents pleease argic leeze birthday weeks post birthday present remember issue hand cold blooded genocide million muslim people armenians armenian nazi collaboration world darling read post people turkish genocide produce documents jews latvia matter times erase post post question post documents jews latvia autopost block text turkish genocide remember issue hand armenian nazi collaboration world turkish genocide fail challenge western sources source john dewey republic happy minority jews christian nation protect recalls jews abode fanatic turkey expelled europe spain saintly christians lived centuries tranquility liberty fellow turkish subjects exposed alike rapacity common rulers brought americans gladstonian foreign missionary tradition condition jews turkey mathematical demonstration religious differences influence tragedy turkey combined aspirations political separation nation world treated treasonable readily reaches conclusion jews turkey fortunate stated armenians traitorously turned turkish cities russian invader boasted raised army hundred fifty thousand fight civil burned hundred turkish villages exterminated population documents jews latvia people culture greek disputing turkish genocide joke month clown sweetie joke month posted block text times produced documents jews latvia post text post message mccarthy table named mccarthy prof shaw jewish scholar source stanford shaw armenian collaboration invading russian armies history ottoman empire modern turkey volume reform revolution republic rise modern turkey london cambridge university press april dashnaks russian armenia organized revolt city armenians comprised percent population closest armenian majority city empire leaving erivan april armenian volunteers reached organized carried general slaughter local muslim population days small ottoman garrison retreat southern side lake knowing numbers justify territorial ambitions armenians looked russia europe fulfillment aims armenian treachery regard culminated beginning world decision revolutionary organizations refuse serve state ottoman empire assist invading russian armies hope participation russian success rewarded independent armenian state carved ottoman territories armenian political leaders army officers common soldiers began deserting droves russian invasion eastern anatolia beginning world degree armenian collaboration ottoman enemy increased drastically ottoman supply lines guerilla attacks armenian revolutionaries armed armenian civil populations turn massacred muslim population province anticipation expected arrival invading russian armies source stanford shaw history ottoman empire modern turkey cambridge university press london czar nicholas caucasus make final plans cooperation armenians ottomans president armenian national bureau tiflis declaring response countries armenians hurrying enter ranks glorious russian army blood serve victory russian arms russian flag wave freely dardanelles bosporus great majesty peoples remaining turkish yoke receive freedom armenian people turkey suffered faith christ receive resurrection free life protection russia armenians flooded czarist armies preparations made strike ottomans rear czar returned petersburg confident finally reach istanbul horizon tiflis november quoted hovannisian road independence ottoman morale military position east hurt prepared russian push eastern anatolia accompanied open armenian revolt sultan hovannisian road independence bayur allen muratoff caucasian battlefields cambridge ihsan sabis harb hahralaram vols ankara armenian state organized russian protection appeared muslim natives dead driven able maintain oldest centers ancient armenian civilization armenian legion organized expel turks entire southern shore lake preparation concerted russian drive bitlis vilayet thousands armenians major centers east began flood armenian state july armenians crowded area crisis housed people muslim muslim alike hovannisian road independence meclis vukela mazbatalari debates august babi evrak odasi ihtilali katl zilkade september muslim population exterminated armenians lines deleted thunder pseudo scholar jokes arguing armenian nazi colaboration world comment argue reply posts argic love arguing armenian nazi collaboration give thunder things admit regular user computer autoposting turkish propaganda post documents jews latvia coward real address reply posts head screwed jews assembled doom nazi concentration camps armenian volunteers germany formed armenian battalion fight alongside nazis battalion grown battalions strong command guerilla leader butcher dictator short lived armenian dictatorship architect cold blooded genocide million turks kurds armenian national council formed notorious dashnak party leaders berlin recognized nazis encouraged armenians summarily formed provisional government endorsed espoused fully principles nazis declared members aryan super race full participants hitler policy extermination jews armenian nazi conspiracy jews wwii encore performance staged armenians back stabbed exterminated million turks colluding invading russian army mccarthy armenian dictatorship granted respite ottomans admitted defeat signed mudros armistice allies october allies decided create greater armenia including russian province yerevan adjoining areas parts anatolia claimed armenian fanatics area called cilicia ottoman province adana excluded claimed french allies quickly attempting disarm ottoman soldiers turks expected oppose plans april british army occupied kars gave civilian military power armenians withdrew british planned kars included armenian dictatorship russian census shown kars province muslim turks kars effectively disarmed british disarm kurds mountains fate turks exact replica occurred earlier eastern anatolia murder pillage genocide destruction turkish homes entire turkish villages drove turks kars mountains south west safety afforded remaining units ottoman army british left scene armenian genocide squads europeans present observe genocide british soldier colonel rawlinson assigned supervise disarmament otoman soldiers occurring rawlinson wired superiors interest humanity armenians left independent command moslim population troops discipline effective control atrocities constantly committed post armenian nonsense european dashnags headquarters berlin appealed lines deleted mess armenian sources turkish holocaust lines deleted list dead armenians lines deleted obrother spell list dead muslims source documents volume document archive cabin drawer file section contents acting supreme command socialist salah cimcoz socialist nesim mazelyah armenian gangs murdering inflicting cruelties innocent people region verified information supported clear statements reliable eyewitnesses confirmed general odishelidje commander russian caucasian army armenians entering place evacuated russians carrying murders cruelties rape kind atrocities expressed writing murdering women children aged people happen street barbarous murders repeated methods continue russian army urged intervene terminate atrocities public opinion appalled horrified newspapers describing happenings shocking decided inform friends urgently situation document archive cabin drawer file section contents acting supreme command commander army general situation cities erzincan erzurum recently beautiful cities country alike calamities destruction suffered destroyed specially designed built public private buildings cities deliberately burnt armenians destruction suffered year russian occupation barracks buildings erzincan cavalry barracks erzurum government building army corps headquarters burnt short cities burnt destroyed trees people cities people weapons rounded sarikamis direction road building slaughtered remaining people subject cruelties murder armenians withdrawal russians partly annihilated corpses thrown wells burnt houses mutilated bayonets abdomens ripped open slaughterhouses lungs livers torn women hung hair kinds devilish acts people able survive cruelties worse spanish inquisition poverty dead alive horrified driven insane erzincan erzurum people hungry poverty lands left uncultivated people able exist provisions found stores left russians villages round erzincan erzurum worst condition villages road leveled ground leaving stone people completely massacred submit information deep grief regret history witnessed cruelties dimensions long list long list anxiously awaiting serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
night armenians rounding male inhabitants article zuma reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article wiener duke eduard wiener writes joined ballot suppose northern bukovina born zoologists refer fecal shield colonel semen budienny subsequent soviet military fame armenian genocide million defenseless turkish kurdish women children elderly people visit anatolia june armenians troublemakers hinchakist dashnakist parties opportunist serving lackeys power happened ascendent september major general thwaites director military intelligence wrote lord hardinge secretary state foreign affairs useless pretend armenians satisfactory allies deserving sympathy claim special collection stanford hoover library donated georgia cutler letter dated states prescot hall wrote large volume prove armenians desirable citizens unscrupulous merchants source documents volume document archive cabin drawer file section contents division command militia commander ismail hakki days armenians forcibly obstructing people leaving homes village night rounding male inhabitants taking unknown destinations heard informed statements succeeded escaping wounded massacres taskilise ruins women children openly murdered gathered church square similar places inhuman barbarous acts committed moslems days document archive cabin drawer file section contents caucasian army corps command caucasian army corps command communications zone inspectorate commander army general russian units opposite front withdrawn population loyal regions russian positions facing increasing threat suppression cruelties abuses armenians decided systematically annihilate moslem population regions occupation regularly informed russian command atrocities cruelties gained impression authority failing restoring order serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
facts bombing organization digital equipment corp newsreader lines backon huji writes article freenet hamaza salah writes josie hadas notice recent posting found josie hadas simply alias salameh sources information chronology including daily news march reports arrest josie hadas copy foreign press reports release shortly source alias story pray arrest release alias relationship person israeli mussad zilch idiot posted absurdity place collecting information putting forward refused comment guardian reporter question hadas link israeli intelligence information mention mossad explicitly 
islam borders israeli borders nntp posting host orion organization university california irvine lines article ilyess concordia ilyess bdira writes article ehrlich bitnet gideon ehrlich writes borders islamic world dreams islamic world dreams planet kicking current inhabitant deam converts jews dream feel threatened muslims dream global islamic community achieved force visible vocal accept establishment global islam force feel threatened accepting pursuing islamicization peaceful means jews advocating approach advocating force means expanding side power threat palestinians israel maintaining dominance group told impose control damn threat member muslim minority inside islamic world actively accept minority status islam domination acheived maintained powerful coercive force majorities wield minorities ranks islamic readers waiting honest answer honest answer zionists questions zionist feel jewish palestinian nationalist desires juncture accepted jews case founders secular zionism palestine inhabitants palestine gave land reason muslims proper righteous islam spread force speak west bank inhabitants jews part israel refer refer scared feel threatened feeling area degree part belief religion heritage identity strongly object justify israeli rule occupied territories israel control dominate 
islam borders israeli borders nntp posting host organization workstations maryland university maryland college park lines article ilyess concordia ilyess bdira writes jews case founders secular zionism palestine inhabitants palestine gave land land fact jews united nations purchased arab absentee landlords present claims based prior ownership purchase aforementioned absentee landlords award united nations partition palestine mandate territory result defensive wars fought egyptians syrians jordanians speak west bank inhabitants jews part israel point jews fact agree idea west bank agree claim west bank answer question thusly west bank called spoils hussein ordered arab legion attack israel poor move israelis promptly kicked butt territory forefeit retaining possession west bank desirable beats national suicide israelis palestinians aviv belongs future state palestine long state affairs continues give palestinians place launch attacks jews real poor idea giving entire west bank idiotic froma security standpoint addition small matter jerusalem considered part west bank chances israelis giving jerusalem leftists yasser cool dude yossi sarid propose giving jerusalem town rail chag sameach jeff 
bombing organization digital equipment corp newsreader lines tclock clock writes hadas fictitious character invented billing purposes mohammed mehdi head arab american relations committee remind readers fact daily news march reported arrest joise hadas foreign newspapers reported release shortly provide copies articles request alaa zeineldine 
rmenian genocide muslim people article zuma reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article uiuc panos tamamidis writes alah alah kleriklemek mutuglu diyeni malakismenos kolo tourkos likkleserfelc ekmek salam toukoutakli ranadas sarma geke eipate plaka numarani alalim kanw source alper gazigiray osmanlilardan gunumuze kadar vesikalarla ermeni teroru kaynaklari gozen kitabevi istanbul sonra isyan sebinkarahisar basladi senesi haziran sivasli murat hamparsum boyaciyan denilen caninin emri altinda kadar cete sebinkarahisari basti burasi zaman onemli askeri yerdi erzurum bolgesinde ordusu savasan osmanli ordularinin butun ikmal araclari buradan gecmekte ermeniler boyle onemli isgal ettikleri takdirde turk ordularinin ikmali yapilamayacak ordularinin harekati kolaylasacakti sebinkarahisarin islam mahalleleri tamamen atese verildi rastlanan turk iskence olduruldu ayni sekilde isyan devam ediyordu sason daglari ermeni eskiyalariyla dolu isyanlari ordunun arkasini vurmak ordusunun ilerlemesini saglamak icin ermenilerin pasa dedikleri rupen idare ediyordu bundan baska ordularinin turk sinirindan gecerek turk topraklarina girdikleri safhada ordusu icinde bulunan ermeni gonullu alaylariyla ordularinin isgali altina giren ermeni koylerindeki silahli halk turk koylerine hucum ederek koyleri yakip yikmislar turk halkini hatira gelmeyen mezalim iskence oldurmulerdir suretle sehirde kanli olaylar cereyan etti sonunda ermeniler tarafindan tamamen isgal olundu buradan kacabilen turklerin ermenilerin davranislari hakkinda verdikleri haberler tuyler urpertici cunku isyancilar halkin cogunu oldurmus kadinlarin irzina gecmis turk kadin kizlarini bazi evlerde topladiktan sonra buralarini genelev haline getirmislerdir zaman kadar kadin cocuktan baska turk kalmamis bunlari oradaki amerikalilar korumustur sehir bastan basa harab olmus carsi kamilen yanmisti serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
feed armenians dirt bite dust nntp posting host thufir organization university minnesota lines sdpa david davidian writes david davidian turkish officials armenia september armenia assurances armenian nuclear plant stay shut turkey promised armenia electricity middle december turkey joking armenia froze past winter armenians lost lives turkey claims allowed humanitarian enter armenia border turkey turkey replaced high quality grain europe crap turkey mixed dirt garbage armenia armenians lost lives latest foreign ministry spokesman ferhat ataman told journalists turkey closing space flights armenia prevent humanitarian reaching republic overland turkish territory historically uncivilized peoples exhibited signs compassion allowing humanitarian reach civilian populations nazis turkey publicly pronounce hypocrites choose continue condemnation serbians neophytos iacovou university minnesota email iacovou computer science department rutgers iacovou 
israelis murdered march organization dept control teknikum uppsala lines nntp posting host frej teknikum reply hasan mcgill message article hasan mcgill writes small refresh hasan track article flax teknikum jonas flygare writes article hasan mcgill writes article flax teknikum jonas flygare writes impression hasan realized goofed drop thread save miniscule portion face logical person likes furthering calling started trashing article abuses responding reading articles written acquired habits company followup subject bothered responding calling assumption feel answer refresh memory human issue area apply palestinians claim thing forfeiting human explain rest exist thing logic convince golden chance jonas flygare master wisdom jonas flygare wrote wisdomely responded calling names giving title read paragraph accept title order debate master wisdom writes hasan flax hasan case didnot palestineans months coming back agree give palestineans human rights afterall human rights arenot negotiable correct wrong life human apply palestinians killer kills giving willingly unwillingly life society society represented goverment exercise duty depriving killer life israel kill people kill israelis thinking funny thought modern legal systems made counter expect master wsidom insist giving names titles spell correctly sigh intentionally neglecting important fact israeli presence occupied territories illegitimate actions courts laws illegitimate ground occupied territories neglecting existance israeli citicens gaza invalidates individuals live eloquently human back question territories adressed question israelis human rights expect master wisdom explain point post responded point israel occupying automatically depriving rights occupied palestineans similar automatic deprivation killer life society state deprive citizens human rights actions human living today rights conjugtion group people occupies territories rule force group willingly unwillingly deprived rights live nice swedish government group people rule force give kill posed worthy question worthy applying logic related problem assume admit hold kind rights deprived issue answer found system international israeli convenient start legal system prove point excuse throw master wisdom throwing people stay screen watch comedy pipe water telephone secret real word represented state dept case violence occurs occupied territories hamas turned islamic system system propose solve problem question system solve problem system solve laws minister sharon kick palestineans palestine asked system preserve human rights people involved assumed obvious repeat mistake straightened eagerly awaiting reply joseph weitz administrator responsible jewish colonization writing diary clear room peoples country achieve goal independent people arabs small country solution palestine western palestine west jordan river arabs transfer arabs neighbouring countries transfer village tribe left transfer country able absorb millions brethren davar september courtesy marc afifi question disregard obvious references israel covenant hamas charter english translations information interested translate give credence private paper older question wrote fairly obvious parties conflict share fanatics guess people make lasting peace region make tabula rasa start give order back refers zionists jews donot give answer master wisdom suggest imperialist israeli system solving problem fair answer asked system solve problem provided contradiction guess takes logic land greatest problem zionism arab children rabbi shoham cute quotes real bummer giving posts credit jonas flygare ktargatan uppsala sweden 
islam borders israel misisipi ganges nntp posting host organization workstations maryland university maryland college park lines article hasan mcgill writes article ehrlich bitnet gideon ehrlich writes hassan ware jews celebrating days thje passover holliday holidy nile imagination freely work beter write zionist drean misisipi nile question east west misisipi choice loose palestine broklyn thought fromn misisipi back misisipi nonononnononono nile nile long 
islam borders israeli borders organization unocal corporation lines ilyess bdira writes islamic world dreams planet kicking current inhabitant deam converts jews dream feel threatened comfortable people convert islam convert types violence physical murder convert insult lack crap converted apply muslims jews friendly nicely dressed neighbours show sunday empty speaches cheap booklets church objective wrong convert matter time violence occur able learn thouthands years conversion related violence inferiour people live care business assume inferiour beliefs long change thinking dorin 
armenian killings kelbadjar azerbadjan continues reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article hilmi hilmi eren writes armenian killings kelbadjar azerbadjan continues armenian attackers continues attack kelbadjar azerbadjan people evacuated kelbadjar town fascist soviet armenian government hired mercenaries slaughter azeris time armenian government forces armenia nagorno karabag heavy weapons ordertaking france result turkey president turgut ozal show teeth situation worse finally time serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
armenians destroyed moslem villages plain reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article kvdoel kees doel writes pathological liar crack record point disagree chance line pathetic serdar argic arromdian asala sdpa terrorism revisionism triangle compulsive liar dealing rest wrote ambassador bristol source library congress bristol papers general correspondence container dashnaks power world boiling attacking kurds turks tartars committing outrages moslems massacring moslems robbing destroying homes years armenians russian caucasus shown ability govern ability govern handle races power kurdish scholar source hassan arfa kurds london russian armies invaded turkey sarikamish disaster columns preceded battalions irregular armenian volunteers caucasus turkey commanded andranik blood thirsty adventurer armenian volunteers committed kinds excesses hundred thousand kurds killed eastern vilayets turkey serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
land peace negotiatians originator hasan mcrcim mcgill nntp posting host haley mcrcim mcgill organization mcgill research centre intelligent machines lines article stssdxb unocal dorin baru writes alan stein writes talking rabin government interest territorial compromise leave vast majority arabs judea samaria gaza israeli control interrupting comment early israelis give adminstration rule occupied terretories palestineans palestineans refused refuse settlement denies determination period pointing compromising idea israel voices negotiations palestineans negociations opinion dorin donot israeli voices negotiations guess refuse giving back land arabian palestinean voices current negotiations called peace process peace founded predictions israel give inch west bank golan heights back arabs months negotiations madrid washington proved predictions jump blaming israelis result negotiations arabs stall negotiations loose arabs feel current negotiations legitimizing current status opening doors arab markets israeli trade oranges simply unacceptable revoked opinion hasan 
systematic genocide muslim population armenians reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article cblack black writes furr mutlus dance head behold invokes beloved serdar program designed seek words terrx ghex sentence automated reply rave fascist soviet armenian government engaged disgusting cowardly massacres azeri women children fact bothers mutlu oboy exciting discuss literature tastes fantasies choices entertainment considered turning leaving brain dead continue discuss genocide million muslim people soviet armenian government ridicule addressing original points made joel mate poor plant scientist make kill files works overtime problem read newspaper painful search gruesome extent february killings azeris armenians town hojali emerging azerbaijan women children dead worst outrage year nagorny karabakh figure drawn azeri investigators hojali officials casualty lists published baku press diplomats workers death toll line estimates february attack hojali armenian forces moves year campaign full control nagorny karabakh subject round negotiations rome monday bloodshed fighting retreat massacre investigators dead civilians awful number people killed suppressed fearful communist government baku blurred armenian denials grief stricken azerbaijan wild contradictory allegations dead state prosecuter aydin rasulov cheif investigator team azerbaijan calls hojali disaster figure people dead minimum preliminary findings similar estimate elman memmedov mayor hojali higher printed baku newspaper ordu dead people named bodies reported unidentified figure dead quoted official leila yunusova spokeswoman azeri ministry defence francois ruffinen head delegation international cross baku muslim imam nearby city agdam reported figure bodies received mosque hojali civilians count bodies figure reasonable fantasy ruffinen idea gave body bags products wash dead rasulov endeavours give unemotional estimate number dead massacre worked months final figure year lawyer small office rasulov things years reach firm conclusion people killed wounded soviet troops tanks crushed nationalist uprising baku january nationalists popular front finally power weeks applying pressure find happened hojali azeri town lies miles border armenia fell armenians officially people certified dead number people medically examined republic forensic department small percentage dead rafiq youssifov republic chief forensic scientist bodies brought remember chaos fact muslims wash bury dead hours people women children years gunshots killed people shrapnel killed axes blunt instruments killed exposure highland snows killed thirty people showed signs deliberate mutilation including ears noses breasts penises eyes gouged professor youssifov report bodies examined believed killed rasulov files rasulov investigative commission disorganised lists azeri militiamen dead policemen handwriting mosque attendant names corpses brought washed heartbreaking account witnesses interviewed towfiq manafov azeri investigator helicopter flight escape route hojali february bodies dead wounded ground count properly hojali people stream road visible nakhchivanik village manafov wrote statement countersigned helicopter pilot people waved dead children year alive dead woman live pulling mother land armenians started barrage helicopter return consolidation lists figures circulation political upheavals months fact hojali time inhabitants displaced villages armenian forces independent london heroes fought amid bodies aref sadikov quietly shade cafe caspian esplanade baku showed line stitches trousers torn armenian bullet fled town hojali months writes hugh pope wearing clothes year carpenter beginning account hojali disaster wounded places lucky alive sadikov wife short food electricity month helicopter flights days sensed armenian noose tightening people left straggling azeri town edge karabakh bombardment started heard kinds weapons artillery heavy machine guns sadikov neighbours pouring street direction attack huddled shelters started fleeing town hill stream snow forest side escape townspeople reach azeri town agdam miles thought make dawn reached bottleneck armenian villages nakhchivanik saderak group hurt spotted road armenian outposts started opening fire sadikov azeri militiamen fighting hojali rushed forward force open corridor civilians efforts vain sadikov people group made including wife militiaman relations died including year elder brother time reach cover face pulling flat turkish eyes bodies back groups lucky benefit covering fire hero evacuation alif hajief shot dead struggled change magazine covering group crossing sadikov hero elman memmedov mayor hojali spent february bushy hillside surrounded dead bodies armenian armoured personnel carriers survivors staggered mile agdam comfort town population flee night reached town armenian rocket attack people sadikov hospital treatment found bullet sock victims azeri woman mourns killed hojali massacre february left nurses struggle primitive conditions centre save wounded makeshift operating theatre train carriage grief stricken relatives town agdam weep coffin massacre victims calculating final death toll complicated muslims bury dead hours photographs heung frederique lengaigne reuter independent london serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
systematic genocide muslim population armenians reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article jfurr joel furr writes dunno warren heard rumor serdar argic hasan mutlu ahmed cosar zumabot turk fact armenian congratulate analytical excellent reportage diana writings biographers quoted perceive chauvinistically remnants armenian genes armenian strong characteristics armenian women armenian ancestry traced eliza kewark armenian india married scottish merchant thedore forbes union born kathleen scott forbes married james crombie aberdeen daughter jane married david littlejohn daughter ruth married william gill ruth silvia gill grandmother lady diana married lord fermoy daughter frances ruth burke roache married earl spencer father lady diana noteworthy eliza kewark referred forbesian characteristic armenian surname ending armenian scottish gene dynamite levon topuzian assistant professor northwestern university skoie illinois time december letters attempting make discussion massacres armenia turks noise laden make discussion impossible cloaking historical record tremendous cloud confusion straw horses knocked impressed armenians tore ottoman empire eastern provinces massacred million defenseless turkish women children elderly people burned thousands turkish kurdish villages exterminated entire turkish population armenian dictatorship outrageous sleight hand employed today armenia brings depth verification turkish genocide hard match hundred years armenians thought wanted sheer terror russian anarchists accepted role models armenian terror groups asala sdpa terrorism revisionism triangle resorted tactics butchering scores innocent turks families united states europe scale fascist soviet armenia today source stanford shaw armenian collaboration invading russian armies history ottoman empire modern turkey volume reform revolution republic rise modern turkey london cambridge university press april dashnaks russian armenia organized revolt city armenians comprised percent population closest armenian majority city empire leaving erivan april armenian volunteers reached organized carried general slaughter local muslim population days small ottoman garrison retreat southern side lake knowing numbers justify territorial ambitions armenians looked russia europe fulfillment aims armenian treachery regard culminated beginning world decision revolutionary organizations refuse serve state ottoman empire assist invading russian armies hope participation russian success rewarded independent armenian state carved ottoman territories armenian political leaders army officers common soldiers began deserting droves russian invasion eastern anatolia beginning world degree armenian collaboration ottoman enemy increased drastically ottoman supply lines guerilla attacks armenian revolutionaries armed armenian civil populations turn massacred muslim population province anticipation expected arrival invading russian armies serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
armenians destroyed villages trabzon erzurum reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article lehigh peter vorobieff writes posting meaningful assure entity joke yelling telephone lawn mower people looney howling wires comment source documents volume document archive cabin drawer file section contents colonel seyfi general headquarters section istanbul stephan eshnanie neues wiener tagblatt vienna pester lloyd local anzliger berlin algemeen handelsblat amsterdam vakit istanbul closely weeks withdrawal russians armenians turkish territories armenia months elapsed clearing territories armenian gangs observing evidence cruelties armenians step villages trabzon erzincan erzincan erzurum destroyed corpses turks brutally cruelly slain accounts able save lives escaping mountains horrible fearful events begun russian forces evacuated places armenian gangs russians treated people people feared intervention armenians places armenians massacres begun announced intention clearing called armenian kurdish land turks solve nationality problem today opportunity meet austrian german soldiers escaped russian prison camps kars alexander paul gumru leninakan russian officers save turks clashes russian officers armenian gangs erzurum terrible city destroyed smell corpses fills speculations armenian gangs murdered austrian german prisoners supporting evidence regard proof murdering turkish prisoners stephan eshnanie serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
life fall wlodowa forget reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article kmcvay almanac mcvay writes remember forget sisha fuchs formulated proposed index criteria determine magnitude genocide mentioned advised toynbee easily magnitude crime genocide committed armenians massacring alien population rule constituted total population time period years enjoyed full control population genocide history mankind similar silent unmourned martyrdom hundreds thousands turks republic armenia exterminated final solution turco tartar problems armenia similar martyrdom million jews europe final solution jewish problems serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
land peace negotiatians organization unocal corporation lines hasan mcgill writes donot israeli voices negotiations guess refuse giving back land sounds wishful guessing arabian palestinean voices current negotiations called peace process peace founded predictions israel give inch west bank golan heights back arabs months negotiations madrid washington proved predictions jump blaming israelis result negotiations arabs stall negotiations loose called peace process palestineans negociate founded predictions founded test table months prove side fault palestineans israel accepted terms israelis palestinenans ready statehood politics palestinean leadership fractions reasons real make arabs stall negotiations arabs feel current negotiations legitimizing current status opening doors arab markets israeli trade oranges simply unacceptable revoked california oranges feelings sharper table dorin 
israelis murdered march originator hasan mcrcim mcgill nntp posting host haley mcrcim mcgill organization mcgill research centre intelligent machines lines article flax teknikum jonas flygare writes article hasan mcgill writes article flax teknikum jonas flygare writes article hasan mcgill writes article flax teknikum jonas flygare writes impression hasan realized goofed drop thread save miniscule portion face logical person likes furthering calling started trashing article abuses responding reading articles written acquired habits company deleted stuff master wisdom jonas flygare wrote wisdomely responded calling names giving title read paragraph accept title order debate didnot master wisdom clling deserve master wisdom writes hasan flax hasan case didnot palestineans months coming back agree give palestineans human rights afterall human rights arenot negotiable correct wrong life human apply palestinians killer kills giving willingly unwillingly life society society represented goverment exercise duty depriving killer life israel kill people kill israelis thinking funny thought modern legal systems made counter expect master wsidom insist giving names titles spell correctly sigh confuse intentionally neglecting important fact israeli presence occupied territories illegitimate actions courts laws illegitimate ground occupied territories neglecting existance israeli citicens gaza invalidates individuals retaliate confuse live eloquently human back question territories adressed question israelis human rights statement doesnot existence israeli citizens revoke life israeli occupation revoke life citizens basically revokes military occupation undeclared attacks military targets fully legitimate surely israeli human rights goverment protect withdrawing occupied terretories oppressing palestinean human rights expect master wisdom explain point post responded point israel occupying automatically depriving rights occupied palestineans similar automatic deprivation killer life society state deprive citizens human rights actions human living today rights states israel oppressive ignorant tyrant kind rights deprived issue answer found system international israeli deleted jonas throwing real stick screen represented state dept case violence occurs occupied territories hamas turned islamic system system propose solve problem question system solve problem system solve laws minister sharon kick palestineans palestine asked system preserve human rights people involved assumed obvious repeat mistake straightened eagerly awaiting reply agree israeli solution wouldnot preserve human rights understanding statement paragraph joseph weitz administrator responsible jewish colonization writing diary clear room peoples country achieve goal independent people arabs small country solution palestine western palestine west jordan river arabs transfer arabs neighbouring countries transfer village tribe left transfer country able absorb millions brethren davar september courtesy marc afifi question disregard obvious references israel covenant hamas charter english translations information interested translate give credence private paper older question wrote fairly obvious parties conflict share fanatics guess people make lasting peace region deleted stuff guess problem israeli goverment full joseph weitz refers zionists jews donot give answer master wisdom suggest imperialist israeli system solving problem fair answer asked system solve problem provided contradiction wrote understood meant underlined system solve conflict system resolve justly guess takes logic land proving understood meant claim didnot claim contradiction logic master wisdom greatest problem zionism arab children rabbi shoham cute quotes real bummer giving posts credit feel ashamed things facts zionists zionist codes acts feel rabbi shoham zionism racism feel ashamed bothered zionist codes drop zionism zionist bothered join condemning racist zionist codes acts hasan jonas flygare 
rmenian nazi collaboration world reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article tclock clock writes track zuma determine seradr change fact period armenian government ordered incited assisted participated genocide million muslim people race religion national origin corrected world armenians carried german cringing fawning nazis zeal armenian publication germany hairenik carried statements difficult eradicate poisonous elements jews struck deep root chronic disease people nazis eradicate uncommon method attempts regarded revolutionary surgical operation flow blood natural thing view armenian genocide muslims jews extracts letter dated december published francisco chronicle answer letter published journal signature amarian hand information evidence armenian atrocities people jews members family witnessed murder members family erzurum turkey armenian neighbors bent destroying remotely jewish muslim armenians history havoc ancestors perpetrated neighbors armenians league hitler premise grant government return armenians exterminate jews armenians hearty proponents anti semitic acts league russian communists amarian bias signed elihu levi vacaville california james mandalian drastamat kanayan armenian review quarterly hairenik association summer june serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
armenians massacring innocent azeri women children reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article iacovou neophytos iacovou writes historically uncivilized peoples exhibited signs compassion allowing humanitarian reach civilian populations nazis world community powerless human rights advocates decent people human tragedy number azeris murdered terrorist armenian army savage gangs increasing news reporters make living providing stories hell confuse public happening armenia country risk detracting people interest happening serbia living alternate universe appeal mankind years azerbaijan multinational population vainly fighting justice limits soviet union humanitarian constitutional human rights guaranteed charter universal declaration human rights helsinki agreements human problems international forums documents signed soviet union violated ussr president government bodies defend azerbaijan empowered measures guarantee life peace strong army armenian terrorists moscow tacit consent wages undeclared annihilation azerbaijan result part azerbaijan occupied annexed hundreds people killed thousands wounded azerbaijanis brutally inhumanly deported armenian historical homeland russians kurds driven part settled azerbaijan turkish meskhetians lezghins representatives caucasian nationalities escaped central asia president government bodies guarantee life peace suffered deportations scandalous vandalisms directed azerbaijan science world civilization armenian extremists destruction karabakh scientific experimental base institute genetics selection academy sciences azerbaijan humanitarian political assistance honour dignity million azerbaijanis violated territory culture history trampled people shot persistent negative image azerbaijanians abroad defamation spread world soviet mass media armenian lobby ussr united states myths events allegedly involves generated interethnic collisions religious intolerance truth shootings recent events stem territorial claims armenia azerbaijan documented fact conflict frictions armenians azerbaijanis issue karabakh hundreds thousands armenians placidly calmly lived worked azerbaijan land representatives government bodies azerbaijan united indivisible sovereign azerbaijan common caucasian home proclaimed founding fathers azerbaijan democratic republic muhammed emin rasulzade goals expectations trampled soviet leadership favour armenian expansionists encouraged moscow intended create year reich great armenia annexing neighboring lands world public opinion shed tears save whales suffers penguins dying antarctic continent lives million human beings people muslims valuable people discriminated colour skin religion residence attributes people brothers appeal brothers understanding appeal azerbaijan world public opinion previous appeals unheard carry hope truth russian armenian propaganda reveal extent suffering stimulate compassion azerbaijan tendered whales penguins committee people karabakh academy sciences azerbaijan turks give time period world boring happening armenia make front page headlines lying happened somalia press report world turkiye intervene affairs caucasus peace democracy armenians christians azerbaijanis moslems islam religion unloved democrat westernizers root conflict territorial claims azerbaijan consequence blood suffering innocent azeri people hundreds thousands refugees gross violations human rights recently armenians attacked azeri town khojaly massacred thousands azeris paris based association democracy human rights azerbaijan puts number khojali victims dead scalped mutilated thing bring story armenia front page russians move area shit load tanks human rights advocates show defending armenians russians show tanks problems home scenario genocide staged armenians years ottoman empire reenacted time azerbaijan remarkable similarities plots perpetrators underdogs report york times tuesday march massacre armenians reported agdam azerbaijan march reuters fresh evidence emerged today massacre civilians armenian militants nagorno karabakh predominantly armenian enclave azerbaijan republic armenia reiterated denials militants killed people azerbaijani populated town khojaly week massacred women children fleeing carnage snow covered mountain passes dozen bodies scattered area lent credence azerbaijani reports massacre scalping reported azerbaijani officials journalists flew briefly region helicopter brought back dead children back heads blown shooting armenians prevented retrieving bodies women children scalped assad faradshev aide nagorno karabakh azerbaijani governor began pick bodies began firing azerbaijani militia chief agdam rashid mamedov bodies lying flocks sheep fascists truckloads bodies agdam outskirts nagorno karabakh reuters photographer frederique lengaigne trucks filled azerbaijani bodies counted looked head burned wearing khaki uniforms serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
islam borders israeli borders originator hasan mcrcim mcgill nntp posting host haley mcrcim mcgill organization mcgill research centre intelligent machines lines article spinoza bonnie laird cairn robbing writes article ilyess concordia ilyess bdira writes jews case founders secular zionism palestine inhabitants palestine gave land land fact jews united nations purchased arab absentee landlords present claims based prior ownership purchase aforementioned absentee landlords award united nations partition palestine mandate territory result defensive wars fought egyptians syrians jordanians speak west bank inhabitants jews part israel point jews fact agree idea west bank agree claim west bank answer question thusly west bank called spoils hussein ordered arab legion funny suppose fact israel didnot attack jordan till jordan attacked israel explain attack syria syria didnot enter israel till funny implying reason israel capture sinai egypt attack israel poor move israelis promptly kicked butt territory forefeit retaining possession west bank desirable beats national suicide israelis palestinians aviv belongs future state palestine long state affairs continues give palestinians place launch attacks jews real poor idea giving entire west bank idiotic froma security standpoint addition small matter jerusalem considered part west bank chances israelis giving jerusalem leftists yasser cool dude yossi sarid propose giving jerusalem town rail chag sameach jeff 
tsiel logic emmanuel huna keywords conspiracy nutcase organization organization lines nntp posting host article huna bitnet emmanuel huna writes steel read tsiel racist anti semitic stop shouting fanatic emmanuel huna give logic break gosh kind intelligence tesiel arab fuck tsiel tagged racist praised logicless tsiel apologized racist remark praise courage hike calls racist proof proven brain malfunctioning moron loose fanatic proud fanatic rights freedom idiot 
islam borders israeli borders organization university illinois urbana lines tclock clock writes strongly object justify israeli rule occupied territories israel control dominate arabs make peace leftist arabist lunatics call israel withdraw moderates realize israeli withdrawl based camp david madrid formulas make full peace prerequisite territorial concessions 
islam borders israeli borders organization university illinois urbana lines hasan mcgill writes article spinoza bonnie laird cairn robbing writes article ilyess concordia ilyess bdira writes jews case founders secular zionism palestine inhabitants palestine gave land land fact jews united nations purchased arab absentee landlords present claims based prior ownership purchase aforementioned absentee landlords award united nations partition palestine mandate territory result defensive wars fought egyptians syrians jordanians speak west bank inhabitants jews part israel point jews fact agree idea west bank agree claim west bank answer question thusly west bank called spoils hussein ordered arab legion funny suppose fact israel didnot attack jordan till jordan attacked israel explain attack syria syria didnot enter israel till syria bombing israeli settlements golan sending terrorist squads israel years provide specifics give hasan starting tired empty lies defend position ideology documented facts arguments crap regularly post brendan mckay agree logic documentation argue position insist constantly spouting baseless lies piss people prove worthy discussion arguments prove poor debater weak case love 
israelis murdered march organization dept control teknikum uppsala lines nntp posting host frej teknikum reply hasan mcgill message article hasan mcgill writes stuff deleted wrote calling names giving title read paragraph accept title order debate hasan replies didnot master wisdom clling deserve referring fact term calling hasan writes expect master wsidom replied insist giving names titles spell correctly sigh hasan gloats confuse hell bent retarding childhood intentionally neglecting important fact israeli presence occupied territories illegitimate actions courts laws illegitimate ground occupied territories neglecting existance israeli citicens gaza invalidates individuals retaliate confuse spell correctly apologize confuse repeat live eloquently human back question territories adressed question israelis human rights statement doesnot existence israeli citizens revoke life israeli occupation revoke life citizens basically revokes military occupation undeclared attacks military targets fully legitimate phrase question repeatedly asked israelis human rights palestinians posting directly adress question inferred thought statement assumed reason actions state israel statement occupation define term repeat drag answer hasan procedure neccesary surely israeli human rights goverment protect withdrawing occupied terretories oppressing palestinean human rights sentence make sense rephrase state deprive citizens human rights actions human living today rights states israel oppressive ignorant tyrant human rights syrians iraqis hama sound familiar kurds iraq turkey sweden farfetched russians baltic states moslem ussr yugoslavia serbs human rights remainaing system propose solve problem question system solve problem system solve laws minister sharon kick palestineans palestine asked system preserve human rights people involved assumed obvious repeat mistake straightened eagerly awaiting reply agree israeli solution wouldnot preserve human rights understanding statement paragraph agreeing kick palestinians israel proper lead disaster parties refer israeli solution joseph weitz administrator responsible jewish colonization writing diary clear room peoples country achieve goal independent people arabs small country solution palestine western palestine west jordan river arabs transfer arabs neighbouring countries transfer village tribe left transfer country able absorb millions brethren davar september courtesy marc afifi question disregard obvious references israel covenant hamas charter english translations information interested translate give credence private paper older question wrote fairly obvious parties conflict share fanatics guess people make lasting peace region deleted stuff guess problem israeli goverment full joseph weitz personally read diaries fascinating living refers zionists jews donot give answer master wisdom suggest imperialist israeli system solving problem fair answer asked system solve problem provided contradiction wrote understood meant underlined system solve conflict system resolve justly unjust solution solution definition holds property exists property hold statements false guess takes logic land proving understood meant claim didnot claim contradiction logic master wisdom pointing small flaw reasoning claim logical felt point started statements prove point assume logical greatest problem zionism arab children rabbi shoham cute quotes real bummer giving posts credit feel ashamed things facts zionists zionist codes acts feel rabbi shoham zionism racism feel ashamed bothered zionist codes drop zionism zionist bothered join condemning racist zionist codes acts quote misused stereotype individuals statement individual methods credit zionists place advice assume loyalties condemning acts find vile inhuman long assume acts people zionist state israel government israel leaders israel political religious jews general feel condemn condemn responsible feel started condemning personally based bombings egypt jonas flygare ktargatan uppsala sweden 
orders turkish extermination armenians summary children genocide send desert article urartu organization center regional studies lines orders turkish extermination armenians children genocide send desert part continuing series articles official turkish wartime governmental telegrams translation entailing orders extermination armenian people turkey generally telegrams issued turkish minister interior talaat pasha children government aleppo november informed belonging armenians sivas mamuret aziz diarbekir erzeroum hundreds distance aleppo adopted moslem families received servants left death parents inform collect children province send places deportation give orders people minister interior talaat government aleppo september orphanage time give sentiment feed orphans prolonging lives send desert inform minister interior talaat general committee settling deportees november hundred children orphanage added caravans places exile abdullahad nuri government aleppo january hear orphanages opened receive children armenians ignorance real purpose contempt government regard feeding children attempt prolong lives opposed purpose considers survival children detrimental recommend children received orphanages attempts made establish special orphanages minister interior talaat government aleppo collect orphans remember tortures parents subjected send rest caravans minister interior talaat ministry interior government aleppo time thousands moslem refugees widows shekid fallen soldiers food protection expedient incur extra expenses feeding children left armenians serve purpose giving trouble future children turned vilayet caravans place deportation till compliance previous orders sivas minister interior talaat halide edip pioneer turkish nationalist wrote memoirs conversation talaat pasha verifying rationalizing ultra national fascist anti armenian mentality conviction long nation interest succeeds world admires thinks moral ready telegrams entered unquestioned evidence trial talaat pasha assassin soghomon tehlerian turkish government questioned death march orders time world reminded genocide armenians reasons study psychology genocide denial turkish government supporters crime deny orders issued claim telegrams forgeries based study orel yuca turkish historical society examine sample authentic text provided turkish historical society study forgery test sample forgery fact tests delineated turkish historical society performed piece ottoman turkish persian arabic script finds handwritten language forgery today body talaat pasha lies tomb liberty hill istanbul turkey yildiz university campus body genocide architect returned turkey germany turkey heightened state proto fascism recently monument served focal point anti armenianism turkey monument represents epitome turkish government pathological denial clear historical event insult people crime born armenian references memoirs naim aram andonian pages ibid page ibid page ibid page ibid page ibid page memoirs halide edip halide edip century press york london page david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
treatment armenians azerbaijan summary prelude events today organization center regional studies lines deposition vitaly nikolayevich danielian born attended grade middle school resident building apartment microdistrict sumgait azerbaijan people town happening february home school clock excused leave period order baku left town fine life usual groups people discussing things soccer things sumgait bound baku cousin birthday father mother spent baku home figuring time homework entering town story high rises stopped large crowd crowd demanded armenians driver armenians board begins shout armenians board group doors people checking passports people armenians direction home building knew place hide road packed groups people block microdistrict groups emptying people pockets checking passports people passports beaten decided home story high rises burning cars great people standing driveways yelling death armenians written cars courtyard live shaped building quiet upstairs turn lights call baku warn relatives arrive wednesday knock door neighbors advised stay place place basement live floor basement enter balcony basement armenian woman beaten naked neighbors daughter armenians deserve stepanakert allegedly people killed agdam raped stay long basement support small window iron grating papa watched things fire building fire groups approached driveway demanded shown apartments armenians lived neighbors armenians group wing building appeared side building found woman murdered woman naked died yuri avakian killed crowd left neighbors home back place turn light started gather things order leave sumgait call relative lived sumgait answer decided left home phone rang caller asked speak father called phone jeykhun mamedov father work brigade disgusted happening town asked address promised city honest papa give address mother phone told minutes call crowd entryway bursting building broke door apartment straight apartment knew armenians place resist parents passports began read read surname danielian turned page read armenian doom moved quickly courtyard standing pushed keys piano death tolled knives steel truncheons knife hand knew give knife things worse struck parents knife piano commanded person giving orders outdoors middle mother started push walk faster ahead fell push moment began beating parents realized resistance completely useless courtyard neighbors standing balconies happen crowd surrounds strike knocked beat lose consciousness hear parents cold pick lying crowd people watching balconies pick left broken start drive wanting neighbors call ambulance bodies parents warm attacked clock regain consciousness make stairs home knock neighbors door push back floor neighbor puts damp cloth head call ambulance sends takes apartment window ambulance arrived result blows parents calm convince morning found ambulance picked dead received attention time alive clock policemen civilian clothing house assistants call ambulance minutes arrives sumgait emergency hospital stitch wounds head rebind clock armenians hospital ambulance baku ward sumgait hospital people armenians hospital overflowing armenians azerbaijanis flipped events semashko hospital baku days released found parents dead told moscow treated found dead father older brother told father nikolai artemovich danielian born mother born seda osipovna danielian papa worked leader roofing brigade mamma compressor operator beaten head coroner report stated heads smashed open bled profusely confrontation jeykhun mamedov called turned tipped crowd called specifically find home find exact address dispatch group knew phone number address events spoken phone speak father knew denies answered phone father answered denies called public phone called home true heard noise sounds automobiles found earlier convicted served time received suspended sentence years confessed tipped crowd hundred percent parents karabagh father village badar years family moved baku elder brothers school student naval school graduated work virgin lands gigantic agricultural projects instituted khrushchev returned lived baku moved sumgait helping town construction mamma village dagdagan karabagh worked sumgait bookstore construction site sister older lives husband karabagh loved parents grade dream continue studies finished grade wanted enter baku nautical school military school changed mind parents recon sider finish grade join naval school planning navy life long childhood dreamed sailor father wanted recollected youth telling school made mistake leaving live karabagh plan leave stay home grandfather ancestors till days hospital baku learned fates suffered ishkhan trdatov managed hold residence microdistrict building apartment long time lost father gabriel miracle managed survive learned uncle sasha building daughter raped valery forgot hospital year younger school riding parents people throwing rocks parents brought hospital ward friends town hospital learned fates died befallen misfortune today suren harutunian secretary communist party armenia shown television honest glad armenia agreed recognize nagorno karabagh part armenian soviet socialist republic repelled revolted hear baku announcer read decision azerbaijani supreme soviet presidium karabagh part armenia events sumgait baku solution give karabagh armenia return armenia people live peacefully azerbaijanis arrived karabagh april felt constant headaches strength returned older sister suzanna justice prevail people demanding parents spoke nagorno karabagh visited spent vacations decided karabagh made part armenia move armenian people suffered removing nagorno karabagh armenia wrong sooner mistakes corrected order correct mistake repeated fate nagorno karabagh lies hands government june stepanakert david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
islam borders israeli borders organization thinking machines corporation cambridge lines distribution world nntp posting host composer article ilyess concordia ilyess bdira writes article ehrlich bitnet gideon ehrlich writes borders islamic world dreams islamic world dreams planet kicking current inhabitant deam converts jews dream feel threatened contrary protocols zion crowd suggest judaism goals islamic readers waiting honest answer honest answer zionists questions jews case founders secular zionism palestine inhabitants palestine gave land question complicated deserves honest answer provide current perspective historical observant israeli american feeling jews diaspora greater palestine israel palestinians israelis arab regard jewish israelis rights israel israelis speak west bank inhabitants jews part israel religious jews aware majority settlers supporters religious part problem knowledge palestinians part israel accept part full citizens israel priviliges responsibilities accorded israeli citizens object current limbo find shai guday stealth bombers software engineer thinking machines corp winged ninjas skies cambridge 
israelis murdered march originator hasan mcrcim mcgill nntp posting host fangorn mcrcim mcgill organization mcgill research centre intelligent machines lines long article fact quotings article flax teknikum jonas flygare writes intentionally neglecting important fact israeli presence occupied territories illegitimate actions courts laws illegitimate ground occupied territories neglecting existance israeli citicens gaza invalidates individuals live eloquently human back question territories adressed question israelis human rights statement doesnot existence israeli citizens revoke life israeli occupation revoke life citizens basically revokes military occupation undeclared attacks military targets fully legitimate phrase question repeatedly asked israelis human rights palestinians waited lines read statement surely israeli human rights belong human race disagree posting directly adress question inferred thought statement assumed reason actions state israel statement occupation define term repeat drag answer hasan procedure neccesary surely israeli human rights goverment protect withdrawing occupied terretories oppressing palestinean human rights sentence make sense rephrase donot makes full sense israelis killed israel occupying israel withdraw israeli blood saved isnot palestineans undermined life israelis israel occupied exposed life citizens unconcluded generally violence occupied terretories part intifada previously posted long article issue finished open question suppose intifada stops motive israel withdraw donot hope peace bullshit world hopes peace isnot hope peace sufficient motive state deprive citizens human rights actions human living today rights states israel oppressive ignorant tyrant human rights syrians iraqis hama sound familiar kurds iraq turkey sweden farfetched russians baltic states moslem ussr yugoslavia serbs human rights remainaing arabian countries problems arabian concern arabian people deal west doesnot intervene serbs donot fucked rapists excuse language hurts bosnia arenot humans surely outer space human attrocities participate system propose solve problem question system solve problem system solve laws minister sharon kick palestineans palestine asked system preserve human rights people involved assumed obvious repeat mistake straightened eagerly awaiting reply agree israeli solution wouldnot preserve human rights understanding statement paragraph agreeing kick palestinians israel proper lead disaster parties refer israeli solution joseph weitz administrator responsible jewish colonization writing diary clear room peoples country achieve goal independent people arabs small country solution palestine western palestine west jordan river arabs transfer arabs neighbouring countries transfer village tribe left transfer country able absorb millions brethren davar september courtesy marc afifi question disregard obvious references israel covenant hamas charter english translations information interested translate give credence private paper older question wrote fairly obvious parties conflict share fanatics guess people make lasting peace region deleted stuff guess problem israeli goverment full joseph weitz personally read diaries fascinating living refers zionists jews donot give answer master wisdom suggest imperialist israeli system solving problem fair answer asked system solve problem provided contradiction wrote understood meant underlined system solve conflict system resolve justly unjust solution solution definition definition world politics politics solution doesnot imply solution holds property exists property hold statements false guess takes logic land proving understood meant claim didnot claim contradiction logic master wisdom pointing small flaw reasoning claim logical felt point started statements prove point assume logical problem definition solution solution lasting politicians solution donot solution solution greatest problem zionism arab children rabbi shoham cute quotes real bummer giving posts credit feel ashamed things facts zionists zionist codes acts feel rabbi shoham zionism racism feel ashamed bothered zionist codes drop zionism zionist bothered join condemning racist zionist codes acts quote misused stereotype individuals statement individual methods credit zionists place advice assume loyalties condemning acts find vile inhuman long assume acts people zionist state israel government israel leaders israel political religious jews general feel condemn condemn responsible feel started condemning personally based bombings egypt jonas flygare hasan 
mutlus dance head article itexjct organization itex jerusalem israel lines jfurr joel furr writes dunno warren heard rumor serdar argic hasan mutlu ahmed cosar zumabot turk fact armenian attempting make discussion massacres armenia turks noise laden make discussion impossible cloaking historical record tremendous cloud confusion hasan multu middle heard bibo recall argic azari bites macedonian mail address finding snail address quashing shergold rumors redirect ahmed cosar year greek incurable case crossposting usenet book world records highest noise signal ratio warren nysernet 
completely systematically exterminated armenians reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article jfurr async joel furr writes depew shown unrepentant embarrassed possessed fucked hubris laden righteousness theory hollering kills spirit criminal nazi armenians asala sdpa terrorism revisionism triangle dealing rest wrote activities armenian government efforts aimed eradicating race turks aimed carrying sided feud struggle liberation outset efforts armenian revolutionaries ottoman borders form terrorist destructive actions aimed mass murder cruelty genocide interpretation armenian activities started reign abdulhamid individual acts terror developed assassinations surprise attacks element brute force activities increased steadily culminating mass rebellions widespread fighting world ottoman army withdrew eastern anatolia sarikamis defeat armenian revolutionaries initiated series cruelties area russians occupied eastern anatolia enemy constrained rules returned country revolution armenian revolutionaries unchecked area year ottoman forces returned erzurum period armenian revolutionaries executed massacres local people recorded historical documents report dated march commander army submitted entered erzurum erzincan completely systematically destroyed burned armenians trees building consumed fire sense word people living erzurum erzincan capable fighting beginning excuse forced labor road construction direction sarikamis annihilated russian army withdrew part remaining people destroyed armenian massacres cruelties thrown wells locked houses burned killed bayonets swords places selected butchering spots bellies torn open lungs pulled women hanged hair subjected conceivable abominable small part people spared abominations worse cruelty inquisition resembled living dead suffering temporary insanity dire poverty lived frightful experiences subjected including women children persons discovered exceed thousand hundred erzincan thirty thousand erzurum fields erzincan erzurum untilled people found destitute situation present time people subsisting food obtained impelled starvation russian storages left occupation area foreign observers witnessed events including russian officers desert lines submitted detailed reports proving genocide ottoman commanders received prisoners important stated reports massacres happen chance planned german author weiss austrian colleague stein turkish colleague ahmet vefik visited trabzon kars erzurum batum april record cruelties writings show scope armenian activities reveal goal true nature ottoman state ministry islam ahalinin ducar olduklari mezalim hakkinda vesaike mustenid malumat istanbul french version documents relatifs atrocites commises armeniens population musulmane istanbul latin script turkozu osmanli sovyet belgeleriyle ermeni mezalimi ankara addition basar ermenilerden gorduklerimiz ankara edited author ermeniler hakkinda makaleler derlemeler ankara askeri tarih belgeleri december document numbered askeri tarih belgeleri december document numbered twerdo khlebof report dated april quoted ermeniler altinay komite kital istanbul kafkas yollarinda hatiralar tahassusler istanbul serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
nazi germany armenians considered aryan race reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article tclock clock writes letter chronicle date time figment imagination source mitteilungsblatt berlin december historical fact fact years deliberately forgotten concealed wiped memory fact armenian nazi collaboration magazine called mitteilungsblatt deutsch armenischen gesselschaft clearest definite proof collaboration magazine published berlin nazi rule germany continued publication magazine implies declaration armenian nazi cooperation attention magazine issue proves collaboration historically important documentary evidence heap writing admonition world opinion mankind nazi germany armenians considered aryan race political economic social rights granted occupied positions public service partners nazi practices world awaited considered aryan befell serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
greek prime minister shows support serbian criminals keywords international government government fighting civil rights social issues article newsflas organization concordia university lines nntp posting host davinci concordia headline original read article clarinews dejan anastasijevic writes belgrade yugoslavia greek prime minister constantine mitsotakis visited capital serbia montenegro federation tuesday apparent attempt press serbian leaders accepting international plan bosnia herzegovina good friend country solving burning problem bosnia herzegovina mitsotakis told reporters talking hours president slobodan milosevic serbia friend discuss plan hear serbian point view adding serbia sincerely bring peace region great attitude pressure serbs accept peace plan territory force terror milosevic serbia greece practically identical views bosnian started late march good thing hear wondering serbia boycott remembers gulf saddam kill people rape women effort pressure milosevic considered main patron serbian territorial conquest bosnia security council threatened impose sanctions serbia montenegro implement zone bosnian skies threatening stage bosnians lift arms embargo military intervention reserved muslim countries hear meeting milosevic mitsotakis separate talks radovan karadzic leader bosnian serbs encouraged karadzic proceed efforts achieve peace region ready play positive role balkans mitsotakis real positive favor freinds karadzic honored meet greek premier greeks sided tend condemn side karadzic continue negotiate levels meeting milosevic mitsotakis talks president dobrica cosic federal yugoslav union serbia montenegro patriarch pavle head priest serbian orthodox church convinced religious psychopath karadzik considered peacelover muslims permanent peace blessings patriarch pavle 
hezbollah organization university virginia lines understanding brad appears killing jesse 
brad hernlem principle organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host thor cwru neverending effort make forget moron brad hernlem asked israel rarely abides security council resolutions list answer question incident security council response hindu moslem clash india killed gassing death kurds iraqi force saudi security forces slaughter pilgrims mecca killing algerian army demonstrators intrafada arabs killing arabs killed civilians slaughtered government troops hama syria killing palestinians jordanian troops thousands expelled sept moslems killed egypt killed egyption bread riots border rocket attacks israel munich israeli athletes slaughtered alot children killed attack israel coastal attack dead wounded syria kills palestinians lebanon dead yemen killed weeks sudan tens thousands black slaves civil toll million killed million refugees tienenman square massacre rumania killed disaster carried northern ireland cambodia soviet occupation afghanistan american riots attica watts newark kent state israel destroys iraqi reractor israel condemned israeli police protect israeli worshipers condemned arab anti jewish rioters killed syrian soldiers slaughter christian soldiers surrender appears brad hernlem united nations security council common unfettered demands acting principle 
humanity bosnia organization univ western ontario london keywords barbarism nntp posting host engga lines encouraging number people interest posting recieved couple letters debated statement events bosnia unprecedented history modern world contest statement present figures world mind world country power stop today matter power lack point difference makes holocast time international community didnot muscle prevent unfortunate event today inspite international community standing neutral arms embargo obvious disadvantage weeker side advantage bully indirecltly possibly unintentionally mankind sided killers unprecedented history modern world rizvi 
turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece armenia azeris reply tankut sabri atan organization iowa state university lines article uiuc panos tamamidis writes yeah mutlu argic helping proceed turks read mutlu argic stuff kill file likewise fanatic greeks problem fanatics greeks talk turkish experience friends open greeks history wars current situations panos tamamidis turks bear responsibility things happening today hard objective conflicts countries blame side sides anatolia conflicts started side aggressive ither suffering compromise remember action turkish government removing visa requirement greeks turkey thought positive attempt make relations greeks mentioned talk educated people person turkey politics business business turks individuals hatred makes kind brainwashing greece educated person treat person nation history books things learn greek turkish encounters schooling easy tankut atan tankut achtung baby 
peace talks nntp posting host supergas reply nstramer ingr organization intergraph electronics lines israeline today ariv reports yesterday egyptian president hosni mubarak meeting chief yasser arafat prominent palestinian faisal husseini principle palestinians decided participate peace talks nonetheless noted decided meeting arab foreign ministers damascus newspaper reports threatening phone calls recently made houses senior members palestinian delegation peace talks threats arabic demanded delegates washington sell palestinian people caller threatened find family alive return newspaper states phone calls received houses faisal husseini hanan ashrawi naftaly stramer intergraph electronics internet nstramer ingr lookout road suite voice boulder quality watch 
ccounts anti armenian human rights violations azerbaijan summary prelude current events nagorno karabakh organization center regional studies lines accounts anti armenian human rights violations azerbaijan prelude current events nagorno karabakh grab papa carry room mamma mamma start undressing beating legs start tearing clothes front mamma remember time passed feeling beat head body tore clothes time atrocities started savagely raped room argued deposition karine karina grigorevna born secretary typist azsantekmontazh trust sumgait construction installation administration secretary komsomol organization resident building apartment microdistrict sumgait azerbaijan sister marina movies clock show theater city party committee yards theater showing argentinian film abyss film noticed people standing podium city party committee silent conversation whatsoever figure knew karabagh talking gave speech bought tickets people theater small number large movie theater film started minutes stopped film crowd burst people stage young people years demanded armenian woman stage foul language show azerbaijanis capable armenian thought meant demanded specifically marina sitting told move russian sitting nearby recognized happened marina quiet jumped door closed opened show returned seats theater russians azerbaijanis people nationalities reacted auditorium made sound silent gradually started leave scared leave leave slowly pompously people smoked bunch anasha looked beastly ready tear happened film started cheerful films brought pleasure made happy alive barely started dark marina walking home lenin street center town lenin street packed packed young people shouting karabagh armenians listening feeling make home happened public transportation running incidentally theater police policemen standing director movie theater doors leaving broken glass doors basically glass broken stood grief stricken happened naughty boys broken accident slingshot looked calm decided super happened slowly wanted catch live literally stop foot dark happen flagged driver told live station station yard farther managed incredible happening station traffic public transportation standstill shouting bagh give karabagh home family panic house mamma kill managed cheer happen living kind social order manage calm mamma sleep made happened saturday short call relatives life realized approaching guess supposed lived home mamma papa sisters lyuda marina sister lyuda yerevan time home learned demonstration started morning started smashing stores sitting home girlfriend mine lyuda zimogliad clock worked apprenticeships russian awful happening town asked armenians state demonstration awful watch feels broken public transportation stopped cabs buses nightmare papa decides drugstore mother allergy problems time left house neighbor aunt vera asked stop terrible things courtyard afraid papa talking simply pushed back entryway home told mamma mamma aunt vera talking means russian lives friend clock lyuda time late mamma late situation town decided stay home dinner ready mamma table hungry mood table calm make eating turned television show fairy tale land coming cleared table hear noise courtyard balcony noise coming direction station story building people figure happening shouting make neighbor azerbaijani friends family years place people shouting story buildings station soldiers people clubs runs directions people building laughing decide means laughing means killing crowd suddenly dashes soldiers soldiers manage start stomping feet kicking home explain general terms horrible things speak killed soldier crowd kicked club started beat left terrified home lyuda stay place kill crowd runs closer building stands story building starts shouting balcony neighbors standing staring shouting minutes running building turns story building azerbaijani neighbors coming entryway stop building mamma immediately starts closing windows afraid throw stones stones break windows people large courtyard packed people spill floor crush crawl trees posts garages huge cloud people break burn motorcycle armenian sergey sargisian building close windows immediately hear tramping entryway floor tremendous roar incomprehensible mamma told shouting father grisha open door kill remember spaced kind mamma bedroom quickly bedroom tall beds part dowry mamma hide leave live imagine parents stand hall talking sort beasts stand talk find common language speak azerbaijani find told marina lyuda hide sister lyuda remember told open door blew broke fell hall crows bursts starts shout leave vacate apartment back armenia things happened speak calmly calmly happened azerbaijani apartment leave downstairs gather leave apartment realize senseless discuss sort rights animals stopped standing doorway young people steps back pacified exchange courtyard shouts commanding understand kill grab papa carry room mamma mamma start undressing beating legs start tearing clothes front mamma remember time passed feeling beat head body tore clothes time atrocities started savagely raped room argued remember dead alive tall clean shaven eskimo dogskin coat balding happening instant stops commander depends beating mamma head break chairs beat chair legs loses consciousness decide dead papa cold throw lyuda balcony window open apparently window frames stuck rain windows opened leave window thinking thrown window passed real strong person sees twitching start opposite humbling pleading start shouting cursing entreaty dead humble tongue long thinks appealing short commands longer remembered happening marina lyuda alive dragging arms legs hitting wall railings metal carrying biting pinching death sooner carry throw entryway start kicking lose consciousness happened people remember remember long neighbor bringing clothing covered blood puts dress remember words mamma happened mamma house make sense standing sort served afghanistan igor brought indoors entryway killed person igor gathered courage arms brought neighbors small minded risk igor agayev azerbaijani served afghanistan brothers older brother served stationed border armenia igor brought neighbors helped senses karina calm clean covered blood papa papa mamma marina igor dragged marina lyuda marina lyuda russian touching russians dragging marina decides azerbaijani igor immediately grabs marina lyuda hands marina armenian sister takes floor neighbor starts pounding door open opens door igor pushes survived sister lyuda lost consciousness bandits started stealing things downstairs taking things downstairs coming back lyuda seized opportunity crawled stayed found torn night shirt sort robe neighbor fourth floor apartment watched crowd friend knocked door neighbor opened apartment afraid give stockings leave building lyuda stay place stairs moment moment life neighbor consent lyuda back place mother remember supervisor telephone number remembered called idea thought simply afraid killing passed life death police precinct looked trouble walking lungs hurt badly hard breathe supervisor urshan feyruzovich mamedov head administration leaving great number buses full soldiers entrance town buses ordinary passenger buses soldiers left eleven eleven people stop happening save great lives crowd moving school sumgait yerevan murdered stopping people died microdistrict buildings building person died woman died building building front young azerbaijani stopped building incidentally neighbors marina called relatives warn happening called aunt microdistrict neighbors armenians quickly explain hide stay alive hide azerbaijanis give moment people policemen azerbaijanis awful condition face completely distorted lips puffed blood swollen thought forehead badly half face pushed forward thought survive normal appearance back able grasp started scream people killed people people soldiers scream muslims sumgait police called daghestan point daghestan police police precinct awful police soldiers police dogs ambulances firemen waiting people bring goners injured treat police precinct doctors baku examined lyuda women maternity home rest lost contact parents boss boss worry find matter matter hospital examined department head sumgait maternity home pashayeva examined ambulance baku figured sumgait ambulances respond calls people called police ambulances showed sign life doctor looked behavior good happened glad thought wrong suffering people people worse things great deal felt thought hear stuff people condition told people energy people possibly smart stayed brought woman married raped apartment lyuda morning lyuda maternity home combined block examine shots tranquilizer shots calmed ward worked pose wards packed evening woman asked wrong face disfigured asked happened brother happened point brother explain happened fell faint doctors threw doctor categorically forbade ward people work boss daughter brought clothing literally naked thing dress woman gave short dress knees woman orderly short dress showing legs back ward thinking thing people work brought sack apples pounds weak embarrassing apples appetite bring woman sack heard head doctor nurse medical history hidden torn completely armenian figure thinking kind attack happen worse street case sleep wink night morning picked police detail taking club troops fated evening city party committee great troops tanks armored personnel carriers scene terrible people knew calmed thought left left sumgait night happened parents hospital boss told fine calm happened club people knew knew kissing happened days work time showed interest constantly bringing money thankful boss colleagues lose presence mind change opinions heat moment matter happened constantly interest sincere interest heart days secretary party committee party organization trust part comrade kerimov important figure town made arrangements emergency medical personnel wrong lungs hard breathe examined times doctors thought blows diagnose maternity home asked made point insisting trauma section felt awful inside broken ribs rays fine emergency medical workers duty club mother marina friends head doctor sumgait children clinic kind antifever agent world needed moment thought great difficulty breathing wrong tight bandages chest waist overheard people bandaged decided breasts face khimik boarding house lived long time appeared representatives agitating people talk drove armenian women shouted demand seidov response seidov seidov chairman azerbaijani council ministers woman seidov daughter things daughters deal agitators seidov agitators coming coming drove wits people gradually started departing yerevan realized senseless stay nerves smell small children children club children literally maternity home club running water time overcharged turned told bring food free children stank imagine people small movie theater seating impossible move stench awful smallest infants overnight heard arriving yerevan infants washed bathed mention adults needed care people fainting left crying young people managed women constant state panic minute kill stab clear gathered purposely burn movie theater single armenian left people attic heard lying stage room apparently caught people wanted burn theater didn condition open eyes suspicious aren azerbaijani azerbaijani started letting back checking passports relatives covering half people documents people homes pair pants slippers wearing shirt sunday police monday resumed left block spare soul children pregnant women killed burned hacked axes murdered melkumian family knew mother worked daughter school older sister brutally murdered daughters survived miracle able save neighbors building found refuge pregnant small children continued monday block troops city murdered people overturned automobiles burned entire families people armenians heard lezgins suffered lezgins injured burned cars difficult died didn difficult identify corpses remained corpses doused gasoline burned hard imagine heard people disappeared trace plant people including woman worked night shift aunt razmella lived microdistrict stopping buses baku sumgait evening people visiting baku returning sumgait people baku home sumgait students simply savagely murdered stopping buses drivers immediately told deal hoard brutally minded people stopped buses dragged armenians killed spot heard pile burn hard discern corpses call corpses figure ashes heard fellows saved women student mistaken hospital long time figure saved brutally raped beaten thrown pile corpses fellow pulled pile corpses coat arms carried city imagine managed heard engels grigorian apparently people hospital hospital singing song armenian wrote words piece paper people song sang hospital shape find saved left apartment called ambulance awful shape remember face knew people broke house talked received blows knocked head remember secretary directorate party organization marina works school works night school works khimzashchita construction installation administration secretary komsomol organization administration secretaries party komsomol organizations joint meetings talked armenia azerbaijani armenia obvious people azerbaijanis born armenia police stations police precinct procuracy ussr procuracy involved case iden tified photographs people recognize showed people apartment working case recognize proved processing held held dragging apartment touch stole blanket earring people heard kafan secretary party organization named najaf najaf rzayev started recognize crowd knew told listen turned bedroom marina marina noisy confusion people make flew head gradually city party committee military people told wrote told march secretary trust party organization part najaf rzayev mamma fact gave means alibi confirmed crazy responsible words awful armenian family time back home family baku marina totally procurator case handled procurator voronezh fedorov fedorov told rzayev case names involved rzayev prove alibi head insult apartment time afraid hundred percent wrong faces mixed mind crowd eyes closed time eyes people hassling reason eyes responsible beating face thought eyes eyes closed started beat young held arms works plant nearby road block road dormitory lives custody proved killed shurik gambarian clarinet player entryway building person building killed shared room holding holding arms beating looked dormitory people started making announcements town investigators summoned told caught proved evidently beating working night shift plant young plant kill armenians station saturday wanted plant night shift late friday night night sauna understand silent hearts thinking thought important heard happened kafan killed azerbaijani sisters mothers burned villages born kafan marina secretary party organization armenia participated investigation couple times satisfied summoned asked happened word recorded armenian apartment grigorian eduard grigorian sumgait microdistrict sentenced years time mother russian baku azerbaijani showed photographs photographs photographed people caught curfew confused face white coat clasps coat burn needle haystack grigorian apartment light complected lezgin remember beat raped apartment started pleading stuff eyes sister thought heaven forbid brother satisfied responses great certainty mamma lyuda sick immediately wanted kill crawled table recognized lyuda lying balcony threw bedroom kinds boxes dishes dowries sisters stole apartment leaving small things moment lyuda started remembering faces hearing voices people burn apartment burn apartment kids place live temporary housing live sumgait apartment neighbors azerbaijani burn apartment burn azerbaijanis azerbaijanis picked place thinking armenians lived list residents part building azerbaijanis lived side wall fire apartment shape halt asked happening civil civil civil beating opened eyes neighbors standing balconies watching free horror film civil armenians fought world fighting fought women building azerbaijanis crying karina happen call normal stand watch happened able avert azerbaijani woman front building woman lives awful dissipated woman call woman dissipated life leads armenian families live part building balcony happening started scream curse entryway entryway dead body head entryway folks people control true knew lift hand woman cared fact azerbaijani stopped beasts smoked place chewing noticed apartment chewing losing mind chewing kind drug glance normal people young clean shaven sort celebration shouting talk shouted deaf people screamed screamed yeah killing killing killing armenians shout kill shouted gurun ermianlary gurun literally means kill destroy continue captain apartment azerbaijani wife tatar sitting apartment kids yard kids knew part building floor mamma find lyuda papa hand looters stealing things attention stealing things apparently ceased killing switched stealing mamma found courage mother gold mamma years looked russian fair skinned azerbaijanis armenia fair skinned noticed fair side shouted smashing things asks mamma gold gold wardrobe important papers black mamma wear gold wore things time bought lying cheval glass mamma thinks gold saved threw gold mamma grabbed papa breathe closed mouth bound hands pillow chair face shoved mouth suffocate mamma grabbed tore stuff mouth trouble breathing nose filled blood mamma grabbed started running floor wanted open doors mamma accident completely accident person opened door sleeping half awake happened sees bloody mamma find happening daughters burned murdered bring corpses moment lyuda left calling quietly called wanted calling softly thought shouting fact silent talking shouting thought lost mind leave hell eventually settled stopped mall brought lyuda igor carried brought lyuda remember order happened mamma listen running shouting running building calmed dead alive call girlfriend basically mamma listen upstairs mattress long burn women feeling homes mamma mamma hell alive forget rest leave spend night mamma upstairs alik standing lookout standing coming managed grab time shouts back coming time mattresses apartment blanket mamma knitting managed grab things wore hall father coveralls neighbor wife mamma papa marina condition leave lyuda closed door hear place upstairs dragging building school unfinished building people basement unfinished building gradually carry things calmed call boss noise floor bedroom apartment woman lives bedroom place floor asya dallakian woman retired home time country married daughter grandson army rarely town retirement money apartment essentially vacant started pounding door broke beds year woman live pots couple metal frames mattresses television grandson bought television started wrecking started sick turned lights turns people afraid knew knew turn lights knew captain closed door apartment kasumov exserviceman retired works fire station plant stood door comrade captain worry harm upstairs aren taking apartment women standing yard basement full water women standing yard left stole floor upstairs women threw time basement save property things left dirty pillows things downstairs school direction forgot important point igor picked arms women standing long time wife military kill spirit dead told murdered uncle shurik entryway ringleader apparently young furious woman tells carried comb house find family woman basement basement full water dashes basement corpse flashlights waists water water standing years soot fuel climbed water walked walked passed died death basement leave problem told felt worse times worse worse pound flat awful awaiting live sumgait longer back apartment moved started quiver shake started remembering neighbors sobbed cheap people apartments time helped obligated helped woman able stop brutal crowd means women apartments building person lying ground people standing balconies hear voice leave mamma told neighbor women azerbaijani woman place dropped bomb killed armenian stood true neighbor fourth entryway sick woman stop pogrom azerbaijanis custom woman takes scarf throws ground supposed stop immediately woman fourth entryway stomped scarf ground pushed side living disappear apartment left trick work neighbors helped move told fine calm forget happened forget told happened daughter effect forget imagine happened sister april yerevan reference sumgait tragedy pogroms armenians soviet azerbaijan volume eyewitness accounts edited samuel shahmuradian forward yelena bonner published aristide caratzas pages david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
hezbollah nntp posting host tbilisi honeywell organization honeywell systems research center lines article eshneken uiuc edward shnekendorf writes amehdi honeywell hossien amehdi writes israelis general dynamics high bomb hell village lebanon civilians including babies eldery killed plain murder arabs position guerilla bases refugee camps artillery batteries atop apartment buildings munitions dumps hospitals civilians killed kinda saddam hussein putting civilians military bunker arabs replying article assuming arab arab brain full shit bombardment civilian civilian areas lebanon israel consistent policy intimidation policy practiced called democracy middle east merley pointing side suffering arab lebanese defende homeland invader means 
hezbollah organization university illinois urbana lines amehdi honeywell hossien amehdi writes article eshneken uiuc edward shnekendorf writes amehdi honeywell hossien amehdi writes israelis general dynamics high bomb hell village lebanon civilians including babies eldery killed plain murder arabs position guerilla bases refugee camps artillery batteries atop apartment buildings munitions dumps hospitals civilians killed kinda saddam hussein putting civilians military bunker arabs replying article assuming arab arab brain full shit bombardment civilian civilian areas lebanon israel consistent policy intimidation policy practiced called democracy middle east hell israeli policy fiat minds israeli generals policy intimidation published information actions arabs specifically uncommon lebanon campaign brain full shit minds make israeli policy merley pointing side suffering arab lebanese defende homeland invader means yeah yeah yeah suffer civilians killed blame arab leaders positions danger blame israelis palestinians send children warzones throw rocks armed israeli soldiers irresponsible parents golda meir peace arabs start loving children hate jews 
lawsuit nntp posting host organization school computer science carnegie mellon lines yigal busy jewish group sued passing official information adrian croft francisco april reuter nineteen people including israeli defence minister moshe arens sued anti defamation league wednesday accusing jewish group disclosing confidential official information richard hirschhaut director francisco branch dealer bullock policeman gerard named defendants suit filed francisco county superior court accuse rith group dedicated fighting anti semitism defendants secretly gathering information including data state federal agencies suit alleges disclosed information including governments israel south africa alleges massive spying operation action class action suit filed behalf anti apartheid activists opponents israeli policies plaintiffs bullock gerard gathered information representatives francisco immediately comment wednesday civil suit legal action arising allegations gerard inspector francisco police intelligence unit passed confidential police files california political activists ring francisco police investigating bullock gerard affair week searched offices francisco angeles suit alleges invasion privacy civil code california prohibits publication information obtained official sources seeks exemplary damages person unspecified damages lawyer pete mccloskey congresmen representing plaintiffs plaintiffs included arab americans jews wife helen information gathered plaintiffs yigal arens research scientist university southern california israeli defence minister arens told francisco examiner file criticism treatment palestinians position israeli occupied territories court documents released week bullock gerard information thousands california political activists documents police investigator believed paid bullock years provide information league bullock received confidential information authorities criminal charges filed case bullock gerard denied wrongdoing reuter lawsuit copyright press rights reserved catalina ortiz press writer francisco arab americans critics israel sued anti defamation league wednesday invaded privacy illegally gathering information nationwide network national group dedicated fighting anti semitism intended data discredit political views class action lawsuit filed francisco superior court guilty racism nazism anti semitism hate crimes isms claims protect violent criminal carol shaieb education consultant develops programs arab culture plaintiffs include yigal arens israel defense minister moshe arens younger arens research scientist university southern california file criticized israel treatment palestinians believes arab american speaks politically israel closet anti semite arens denied wrongdoing comment lawsuit reviewed spokesman york headquarters local police prosecutors investigating allegations spied thousands individuals hundreds groups including white supremacist anti semitic organizations arab americans greenpeace national association advancement colored people francisco public television station kqed information allegedly confidential police government records court documents filed probe civil lawsuit charges filed criminal investigation lawsuit accuses violating california privacy forbids intentional disclosure personal information public state federal records lawsuit claims disclosed information persons entities compelling receive elaborate defendants include richard hirschhaut director office francisco immediately return phone call seeking comment defendants francisco dealer bullock alleged informant past decades police officer gerard gerard allegedly tapped enforcement government computers passed information bullock gerard retired police force moved philippines bullock lawyer richard breakstone comment lawsuit studied upwe sued allegedly spying residents francisco group california residents filed suit wednesday charging anti defamation league brith violating privacy spying israeli south african governments class action suit filed francisco superior court charges leadership conspired local police official obtain information outspoken opponents israeli policies occupied territories south africa apartheid policy refused comment suit suit local officials retired francicso police officer gerard claiming violated privacy guarantees state constitution violated state confidentiality laws suit gerard helped obtain access confidential files enforcement government computers information files passed foreign governments suit charges concept organized collection information based political viewpoints government agencies source information absolutely repugnant pete mccloskey representing plaintiffs information gathering network revealed publicly week francisco district attorney office released documents indicating group spied people political ethnic groups years understanding activity sense opposed israel israeli action part responsbility investigate arens research scientist university southern california believes arab american speaks politically israel closet anti semite district attorney office investigating operation months plaintiffs case include arens israeli defense minister moshe arens press release plaintiffs alleged spying damaged psychologically economically accused interfere freedom speech 
water brain israeli expansion lust organization nysernet lines guess hasan finally revealed source claim israel diverted water lebanon imagination alan stein astein nysernet 
rules engagement israelis murdered march distribution world lines hasan mcgill wrote article flax teknikum jonas flygare writes article hasan mcgill writes article flax teknikum jonas flygare writes statement doesnot existence israeli citizens revoke life israeli occupation revoke life citizens basically revokes military occupation undeclared attacks military targets fully legitimate words military israel uniform duty duty soldier compulsory regard israeli legit target definition uniform doesnot make difference person army duty duty doesnot matter army duty vacation week soldier meant military clear bear proposing rules engagement israel palestinean resistance feel revise preliminary draft israeli military personnel fair game time uniform duty practice male female israeli military duty military young children acceptable targets existence israel constitutes indication hostile intent provocation required avoid inpermissable violations rights combatant palestineans israeli forces engage palestineans positive identification military personnel clear indication aggressive intent clear field fire positive identification assured checking palestinean military uniform posession exclusively military armament mbts aircraft identification verbal documentary note dual military civilian weaponry hand grenades rifles launchers constitute positive military identification require closer inspection document checks aggressive intent distinct hostile intent normal condition assured rounds incoming fire separated intervals seconds rounds note single burst automatic weapon fire counds round volley rocket fire source noted dual weaponry assumed originate military personnel justify armed response clear field fire guaranteed making positive military identification personnel target area weapons note aggressive intent proven targets aircraft attacked crew check papers crew member long civilians instance posession uniquely civilian weaponry stones axes molotov coctails difficult elements land make checks ground forces screen prospective strike areas fire purposes cockpit cockpit pass meters sufficient purpose repeated sessions speaking note network address tnet author tmail mail news shell 
israeli expansion lust nntp posting host cunixa columbia reply columbia amir rosenblatt organization columbia university lines article jaskew maths adelaide joseph askew writes article adam uucp adam shostack writes article zbib writes imho matter started individual battle arabs isreal context real question started doubts creation israel arab land started armies invaded israel vowing drive jews jews wanted live peace arabs stayed israel granted citizenship depends define actual fighting largely predates arab invasions deir yassin happened midapril arab invasion lorch hagana forces fighting arabs invaded months jews wanting live peace arguable easy show labour party leadership intention arabs stayed expelled stay granted citizenship expelled fighting stopped joseph askew define seiges constant attacks villiages count acts jews january arab liberation army attacks kfar szold attack kfar etzion miles south jerusalem cutting supply lines attacks yehiam western galilee kibbutz tirat tzvi march jewish settlements negev land links rest jewish population etzion group villiages hebron members convoy supply yehiam slaughtered cutting villiage jerusalem seige supply route aviv bombed supply trucks left side road memoriam time jews killed arabs attacking week fatah launched katyusha rockets northern israel uprising begin intifadah brings tanks joseph askew gauche proud autumn stillness pleiades jaskew maths adelaide remote thorny deserts fell grief disclaimer care north tents somwhere brenda pale river murmurs amir 
hezbollah originator tudelft nntp posting host duteinh tudelft organization delft university technology dept electrical engineering lines article amehdi honeywell hossien amehdi article eshneken uiuc edward shnekendorf writes amehdi honeywell hossien amehdi writes israelis general dynamics high bomb hell village lebanon civilians including babies eldery killed plain murder arabs position guerilla bases refugee camps artillery batteries atop apartment buildings munitions dumps hospitals civilians killed kinda saddam hussein putting civilians military bunker arabs replying article assuming arab arab brain full shit bombardment civilian civilian areas lebanon israel consistent policy intimidation policy practiced called democracy middle east merley pointing side suffering arab lebanese defende homeland invader means fight syrians lebanon brothers invited 
hezbollah nntp posting host cunixa columbia reply columbia amir rosenblatt organization columbia university lines article hernlem ncsu brad hernlem writes lebanese resistance forces detonated bomb israeli occupation patrol lebanese territory days soldiers killed wounded retaliation israeli israeli backed forces wounded civilians bombarding lebanese villages ironically israeli government justifies occupation lebanon claiming prevent bombardments israeli villages congratulations brave lebanese resistance israeli place grave underlining moral bankruptcy israel occupation drawing attention israeli government policy reckless disregard civilian life brad hernlem hernlem ncsu ahh israeli morality pales face charming events string skyjackings remember jokes forget achille lauro airline bombings committed mention bombings streets israel point children told bags containers origins bombs weeks katyusha rocket attack northern israel fatah wonderful mainstream moderates israel attempting negotiate forget fact palestinians killed palestinians israelis charming humanitarian death squads videotape interrogation dsee documentary deadly currents neutral balanced inquisition esque essentially prove loyalty whichever group interogating turn face death filled ways death squads love beatings dismemberment acid pouring melted plastic face guilty party beheading favorite catch photos washington post back execution collaborator photos palestinian leading gunpoint collaborator knees pointed temple executioner standing corpse collaborator shouting collaborators wonderful justice system lots regard human rights remember black september jordan deal rambling amir 
freeman bashing free propaganda machine freemanwith blood israel mafifi calstate marc afifi organization calif state univ electronic information services lines columbia peter garfiel freeman writes peter succinct post date brilliant marc people narrow minded crack door eyes opinions employer opinions 
deriving pleasure death mafifi calstate marc afifi organization calif state univ electronic information services lines brad hernlem writes congratulations brave lebanese resistance israeli place grave underlining moral bankruptcy israel occupation drawing attention israeli government policy reckless disregard civilian life brad hernlem hernlem ncsu mark kaufman responds delight death human beings mark millions americans cheering slaughter iraqi civilians forces comment apply applaud killing human including prisoners sentenced death illustrious justice department peace marc people narrow minded crack door eyes opinions employer opinions 
hezbollah mafifi calstate marc afifi organization calif state univ electronic information services lines stssdxb unocal dorin baru writes extemist sided jewish israeli postings disagree openly back plain murder lebanese resistance talking bunch lebanese farmers detonate bombs work organized entity lebanese trained mercenaries curious guess back killings hundreds marines beirut kind resistance movement killed jewish attlets munich posted garbage consistent dorin dorin forget soldiers killed murdered distinction trivial murder innocent people people line work kill killed happened soldiers line duty killed opposition resistance terrorism athletes munich victims terrorists call freedom fighters deaths compared soldiers killed resistance fighters forget french resistance nazi occupying forces eventually succeeded driving hostile occupiers wwii diplomacy worked israel lebanese people tired occupied turning option viable forget worked driving marc people narrow minded crack door eyes opinions employer opinions 
hezbollah organization unocal corporation lines hernlem ncsu brad hernlem writes thought make clear case familiar past postings subject condone attacks civilians hezbollah lebanese resistance fighters skilled precision bombing israeli targets find methods restrained responsible israeli method shelling bombing villages hope hezbollah member killed civilians murdered killing combatants murder soldiers trained country soldiers duty died government israeli soil israeli civilian opinion condone bombing villages kind villages claim villages civilians iraelis claim camps filled terrorists claim israelis shell villages hope finding terrorist kill fine civilians wrote saddam hussein problems civilians disgusting manner claimed civilians murdered slight chance question general insult similar type propaganda respect civilians southern lebanon people post israeli soil kind mediteranean define israeli soil recognize state israel condone killing israelis dorin aware helicopters boats coast lebanon rocketted palestinian refugee north beirut qualifies person murder pupose action describe kill civilians doubt condone civilians killed condone palestinian children grow terrorists female give birth terrorists brad hernlem hernlem ncsu hernlem showing huge satisfaction israelis human beings standards standards killed questions problem answering question qualified candidate murder justifies murder feeling able make similar statements eliminating israelis jews wrong condone saddam scuds israeli soldiers aviv understand palestineans cheered show qualify freedom fighting wrong jewish controlled media distorted information ignorant victim media dorin 
hezbollah nntp posting host tbilisi honeywell organization honeywell systems research center lines article eshneken uiuc edward shnekendorf writes hell israeli policy fiat minds israeli generals policy intimidation published information actions arabs specifically uncommon lebanon campaign brain full shit minds make israeli policy deleted business reading minds case israelis leaders past present arrogant tough talks intimidate arabs israelis arabs able achieve peace years fighting major reasons arab governments representative people leaders stupid independent dictators israeli government arrogant comprising 
heil hernlem reply hernlem ncsu message organization dept computer science brown university lines article hernlem ncsu brad hernlem writes lebanese resistance forces detonated bomb israeli occupation patrol lebanese territory days soldiers killed wounded retaliation israeli israeli backed forces wounded civilians bombarding lebanese villages ironically israeli government justifies occupation lebanon claiming prevent bombardments israeli villages congratulations brave lebanese resistance israeli place grave underlining moral bankruptcy israel occupation drawing attention israeli government policy reckless disregard civilian life brad hernlem hernlem ncsu nice people murdered bradly overjoyed hear deaths middle east jewish arab deaths feel sadness hope stops apparently view point acceptable people bradly hernlem disgust harry 
turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece armenia azeris nntp posting host herky uiowa organization university iowa iowa city lines article tankut sabri atan panos tamamidis turks bear responsibility things happening today hard objective conflicts countries blame side sides anatolia couple millions greeks living asia minor protect conflicts started side aggressive ither suffering compromise remember action turkish government removing visa requirement greeks turkey thought positive attempt make relations compromise invasion cyprus involment turkey greek politics refusal turkey accept miles territorial waters stated international properties greeks konstantinople ownership islands greek lake aegean things compromise greeks mentioned talk educated people person turkey politics business business turks individuals hatred person supports policies turkish goverment directly indirecly person nationality makes support actions goverment make people hate supporter policies turkish goverment price makes kind brainwashing greece educated person treat person nation history books things learn greek turkish encounters schooling easy tankut atan tankut achtung baby brainwashing turn people turks talk greeks arabs slavs kurds people luck turkish occupation talk murders rapes distruction learn turks history books learn people experienced hand turkish friendliness napoleon 
reasons hezbollah organization unocal corporation lines hossien amehdi writes business reading minds case israelis leaders past present arrogant tough talks intimidate arabs israelis arabs able achieve peace years fighting major reasons arab governments representative people leaders stupid independent dictators israeli government arrogant comprising relevant agree reasonable thought point make remarks forgot hate government level arab governments taugh talk arrogance adults listen tough talk american politicians switch channel intimidated dummy talking tough bomb ready blow seat dorin 
freeman bashing free propaganda machine freemanwith blood israel nntp posting host amhux amherst organization amherst college newsreader version lines marc afifi mafifi calstate wrote columbia peter garfiel freeman writes peter succinct post date brilliant marc people narrow minded crack door eyes opinions employer opinions open letter marc afifi dear marc wrong freeman written style raises level posts board reflection abilities posts substance defends positions general people board realize agree substance posts respond substance lack posts attack author posts resort attacking poster written person ability make coherent argument post peace danny 
mossad unchecked faint masse egypt organization corporation open systems distribution world lines hasan mcgill writes article eldar danny eldar writes heard radio cknw vancouver fainting masse egypt movement started nothern egypt spread throught egypt mossad obvious involvement bombing reestablish reputation making egyptian schhol bezerk hassan share light happy annouce positive identifiaction congragulations danny hasan born quebec worked montreal feel defend reputation mcgill university fine creditable institution higher learning assume graduate student left terminal line janitor access 
israeli soldiers kill child jhsegal weizmann livian segal organization weizmann institute science computation center lines involved ending talk bullshit article nadeem ethz writes hakim ahmed freenet wrote reply brown message zbib zbib writes steel nick steel writes occupying israeli soldiers terrorists kill year native child fasten arms shoots face writes false report making stupid idiot jokes soliders bring mentioning peace agreement tens jokes arabs palestinians post usenet newsgroup achieve target making parts furious target target tells nick steel provide documentation alleged incident talking realistic harry kidding single incident daily life practice gazza killing children armed soldiers yeah cowards children wives front line enemy cases thing save life shooting parents children alive throw stones molotov botlles kill soliders children houses objecting number occupying israeli soldiers terrorists dictionary word terrorism threats violence violence political purposes sounds caan assure worse yeah guess children killed month ramadhan military vehicules similar incident vehicule ramadhan thee military truck purpose passenger purpose personally hear case deny person purpose victims year safa sail bisharat saamud riyad weeks babygirl oldd raajij rouhy yeah truck driver looked zionist equipment detecting palestinian children thought year weeks make accident kill enemy maximum crash care hakim remember correctly reported camera time israeli invasion lebanon itifada began caught regular uniformed israeli soldiers breaking arms arab youngsters professional brutal manner give full details remember years intifada fact remember time prooves care soliders correct agree breaking arms film unlike broadcasted long talk show broken walked arms good interviewed terrorist refused orders spitted face ammount truth exist statement prison makes good occassions scene transmitted west caused uproar factors significantly changed preception israeli army role east didn israeli army important army midlle east human army army human american claim opposite remember broadcasting american solider beat somalian cruel american army cruel proof obvious systematic policy israelis occurring massive scale scenes kind proof obvious scenes nadeem wanted show garbadge knowing living life place talks livian segal jhsegall weizmann unix jhsegal weizmann 
turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece armenia azeris article news jowp organization university illinois urbana lines writes tamamidis repling claims suggest kind individuals make points abouts human rights discriminations unequal treatment turkish minority greece world treat people deny make difrence write things eyes prove prejudice free insurance school greeks give things turkish minority rights words discriminate people giving favor people giving thing reality thing favor simply stated treated class citizens point fail words show discrimination helth insurance food tuition unhuman practices conducted government greece suggest investigate facts discuss basic human rights fredom religion fredom press turkish minority ethnic cleansing turks greece fredom property government intervention fredom vote choose community leaders greek government encourages people destroy religious places houses farms schools turkish minority forcing turkey logical order argument conclude writing point greeks treated turkey greek minority part society part people sell property leave turkey patriarch permision renovate buildings decades needed special agreement goverments talk part society size greek community reduced people priests difference people turkey yeah businesses belong greeks turkey proud unlike greece destroy turkish minority encourage minorities turkey part turkish society reality aykut atalay atakan panos tamamidis 
turkish government agents usenet teeth article urartu organization center regional studies lines revision history posted turkish government agents guise sera uucp serdar argic response article sdpa scribed orhan gunduz blown gunduz receives ultimatum honorary position executed refuses responsibility claimed jcag sdpa cambridge massachusetts orhan gunduz turkish honorary consul boston armenian terrorist ultimatum give title honorary consul attacked murdered cold blood president reagan orders manhunt avail witness gave description murderer shot survives falls silent revolting triumphs senseless mindless history armenian terrorism murder brings absolutely boost murderer armenian terrorist underworld wallowing satisfaction involved murder sarik ariyak december sydney nazi armenians massacre sarik ariyak bodyguard engin sever jcag sdpa claim responsibility turkish governmental agent prove sdpa existed ahead provide newspaper accounts assassinations show letters sdpa turkish government good excising text references good thay adding text verifiable newspaper accounts turkish government support anti armenian claims typified scribed garbage government continues make false libelous charges recourse left made fools attempt systematic campaign denying covering turkish genocide armenians barking moving barks jumps yells stops point walks posting turkish agents level ridiculous charges brought answer silent stops turkish government feels funnel heightened state ultra nationalism existing turkey today usenet convince people revisionist myopic incidental view place world resulting inability address armenian greek refutations turkey write history refer terrorist worse claim part record responsibility murder people pack raging fools blinded anti armenian fascism socialization policies republic turkey requires find turks humanize downfall david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece armenia azeris article vein mucit uiuc panos tamamidis writes stuff deleted conflicts started side aggressive ither suffering compromise remember action turkish government removing visa requirement greeks turkey thought positive attempt make relations thought smart move receive money greek tourists week tourists greece turkey leave figure means economy visa requirement greeks bother visit turkey smart true greeks visit happy turkish merchants happy harmed smart move good move adds happiness greeks week turkish merchants interact simple move paperwork arena lotsa happy people nationalities observation cheers stuff deleted 
israeli soldiers kill child jhsegal weizmann livian segal organization weizmann institute science computation center lines article ranen huji ranen goren writes nick steel twist truth ranen absolutely true lots livian segal jhsegall weizmann unix jhsegal weizmann 
campaign iran frontline organization computer graphics laboratory ucsf lines originator jamshid ucsf number articles frontline program iranian bomb related subjects curious real reasons related public relations campaign iran recent months include attempts implicate iran bombing york trade center great efforts direction succeeded indirectly created impression iran rise fundamentalist islamic movements indirectly implicated matter public statements secretary state christoffer official sources iran terrorist outlaw state finally recent broadcast frontline program suspect campaign iran continue intensify increased pressure iran number factors include rise islamic movements north africa radical hamas movement israeli occupied territories movement basically anti western necessarily fueled iran accelerated pace movement gulf sought return colonial shieks amirs throne democracy freedom obvious support algerian military coup democratically elected algerian islamic front exposed democracy myth daily broadcast news slaughter bosnian moslems future implications movement saudi arabia client states endangerment cheap sources region create enemy excuse huge defense expenditures demise soveit union recent campaign iran directed israel washington fundamental conflict interest iran opinion interest countries affect reestablishment normal friendly relations moderating effect rise radical movements islamic world iran jamshid 
israeli expansion lust reply carleton steve birnbaum organization national capital freenet lines previous article hasan mcgill hasan alhafez wars karama started arabs wars started arabs instigated arabs continually murdered israeli children rocket attacks israel stop heck talking karama steve internet carleton fidonet mossad ocunix 
israeli expansion lust reply carleton steve birnbaum organization national capital freenet lines previous article zbib zbib imho matter started individual battle arabs isreal context real question started doubts creation israel arab land hell calling arab land jews living long time jews start arriving living thousands years periods expelled returned home steve internet carleton fidonet mossad ocunix 
yassin free propaganda machine freeman blood israel reply hasan mcgill message organization dept computer science brown university lines article hasan mcgill writes check menahem begin dairies published book find accounts massacres including deir yassen numbers massacred children women greatly minimized request hasan revolt menachem begin dell publishing military aspect moral aspect story yassin village publicized world sides suffered heavy casualties killed forty wounded number casualties forty percent total number attackers arab troops suffered casualties neraly times heavy fighting severe hostile propaganda disseminated world deliberately fact civilian population yassin warning battle began tenders carrying loud speaker stationed entrance village exhorted arabic women children aged leave houses shelter slopes hill giving humane warning fighters threw element complete surprise increased risk ensuing battle substantial number inhabitants obeyed warning unhurt leave stone houses confusion fire enemy murderous number casualties bears eloquent testimony compelled fight house overcome enemy large numbers hand grenades civilians disregarded warnings suffered inevitable casualties education gave soldiers years revolt based observance traditional laws broke enemy forced accordance accepted custom apply reprisals convinced officers wished avoid single unnecessary casualty yassin battle throw stones denunciation conquerors yassin cloak hypocrisy connection capture yassin jewish agency found send letter apology abdullah gurion moment great political emotion called wise ruler seeks good people country wise ruler mercenary forces demolished gush etzion flung bodies heroic defenders birds prey replied feudal superciliousness rejected apology replied jews blame existence dissidents arab world world large wave lying propaganda loose jewish attrocities enemy propaganda designed besmirch result helped panic overwhelmed arabs eretz israel kolonia village previously repulsed attack haganah evacuated overnight fell fighting beit iksa evacuated places overlooked main road fall capture kastel haganah made open road jerusalem rest country arabs began flee terror clashed jewish forces happened yassin invented yassin helped carve decisive victories battlefield legend yassin helped saving tiberias conquest haifa footnote revolt counteract loss yassin village strategic importance arab headquarters ramallah broadcast crude atrocity story alleging massacre irgun troops women children village jewish officials fearing irgun political rivals seized arab gruel propaganda smear irgun eminent rabbi induced reprimand irgun time sift truth evil good arab propaganda spread legend terror arabs arab troops seized panic mention irgun soldiers legend worth half dozen battalions forces israel yassin massacre propagated haters world reference denunciation yassin fellow jews 
israeli press madness organization university virginia lines post earmarks form program user types nationality ethnicity fills places story true condemn fabrication posters horrible morals despised values truth jesse 
center anit israel propaganda organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host thor cwru center policy research writes israeli press hadashot march israeli police department announced evening friday march calling jewish israeli citizens permits carry times contribute security surroundings murders innocent israelis hands arab death merchants wrong advice aretz march yehoshua matza likud chair knesset interior committee stated intends demand police department make clear public wounds kills jewish terrorists trial usual bias center policy research echoes newsgroup enraged likudnik venting spleen portray policy response matza suggestion mention refering terrorists caught clear case defence care elaborate wanted matter give center policy research crap post biases legitimize pompous aretz march today private security firm units southern command begin installation magnetic gates gaza strip additional stage upgrading security measures strip gates searching jewish gaza residents leave work israel reveal presence knives axes weapons sharp objects addition gates operated private civilian company large quantities magnetic card reading devices brought inspection points facilitate reading magnetic cards jewish workers carry laudable precaution single thing post israel posted portray israel negatively deliberate omissions integral part shtick incidents mention stories post fraught omissions change entire meaning absurdity respectable hide bias effort portray israel unfavorable light accomplished prove respectable sounding label center policy research smoke screen heavily biased attitude israel vent center policy research stuff nonsense 
israeli press madness reply clas virginia message organization dept computer science brown university lines article clas virginia virginia gentleman writes post earmarks form program user types nationality ethnicity fills places story true condemn fabrication posters horrible morals despised values truth jesse agreed harry 
armenia shoot turkish planes organization univ rochester college engineering applied science article sdpa david davidian writes armenia shoot turkish planes ermenistan kasiniyor translate public traslation service armenia itchy esin 
center anti israel propaganda organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host thor cwru center policy research writes israeli press hadashot march israeli police department announced evening friday march calling jewish israeli citizens permits carry times contribute security surroundings murders innocent israelis hands arab death merchants wrong advice aretz march yehoshua matza likud chair knesset interior committee stated intends demand police department make clear public wounds kills jewish terrorists trial usual bias center policy research echoes newsgroup enraged likudnik venting spleen portray policy response matza suggestion mention refering terrorists caught clear case defence care elaborate wanted matter give center policy research crap post biases legitimize pompous aretz march today private security firm units southern command begin installation magnetic gates gaza strip additional stage upgrading security measures strip gates searching jewish gaza residents leave work israel reveal presence knives axes weapons sharp objects addition gates operated private civilian company large quantities magnetic card reading devices brought inspection points facilitate reading magnetic cards jewish workers carry laudable precaution single thing post israel posted portray israel negatively deliberate omissions integral part shtick incidents mention stories post fraught omissions change entire meaning absurdity respectable hide bias effort portray israel unfavorable light accomplished prove respectable sounding label center policy research smoke screen heavily biased attitude israel vent center policy research stuff nonsense 
public service translation keywords effective greek armenian postings organization univ rochester college engineering applied science article sdpa david davidian writes article gatech kaan timucin wrote kaan hell david davidian talks alter kaan david shut working secret turkish service kaan attitute full lies shit united states refer freedom speech called full shit kaan hear mess turc submit bodily harm kill torture worry turks turn terrorist actions armenians killed torture part timucin sounds tough watch kaan hell wrong kaan timucin translate lines turkish english embarrassing turkish written place kill messenger translate consistently selectively translate things serve ugly purpose people pissed off ottoman times messengers killed cutting heads sending back country ottoman empire longer exists darn esin david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
israeli soldiers kill child reply carleton steve birnbaum organization national capital freenet lines previous article steel nick steel occupying israeli soldiers terrorists kill year native child fasten arms shoots face writes false report newsgroup intelligent discussion smarten stop bullshit posting fuck face steve internet carleton fidonet mossad ocunix 
public service translation reply sdpa message organization york student information systems project lines david posts good translation post suat kinikliouglu original post elided vatan sevgisi ruhlari kirden kurtaran kuvvetli ruzgardir translation public service translation elided love fatherland strongest winds cleansing filth souls part translation questionable original quote plain silly made sound coming nazi youth turks talk motherland germanic fatherland filth dirt indeterminacy translation problem fudge care equally valid translation love country strongest wind cleanse soul point translate willard orman quine word object press cambridge mass 
hezbollah nntp posting host orion organization university california irvine lines article hernlem ncsu brad hernlem writes article tclock clock writes assuming brad discussion bring elements addressed commented made comment wrong civilians cover israelis guerillas injured parties continue fight pardon fail detect presence responsible planting bomb killed troops exact number whereabouts villages shelled possibly guerrillas targetted villages arbitrary retaliation repeat statement condone indiscriminate israeli acts villagers guerillas stated earlier expect israelis difficult identify guerillas prefer lose general population dressing acting host arab state stop attacks side border israel problem original reason invasion palestinian attacks israel lebanese attacks agree lebanon unwilling unable stop attacks territory israel simply quietly accept situation israel asked lebanese government control party state lebanese territory attacks occuring point israel state stop attacks major armaments allowing people wage civil wars removed weapons needed cross border attacks remain extent rocket attacks continue commando raids require easily concealed weapons refined disregard human life attacks continue afraid true justify occupying neighbor land israel resolve disputes native palestinians peace attacks responsibility state party territory attacks neighboring state angola power south africa refused couldn stop anti angolan guerillas based soil attacking angola south africa refused troops stationed territory angola angola justified entering angola accept situation absorb attacks guano situation call existed attacks commonplace true lebanese attacking israel strong lebanese government free syrian israeli interference border adequately patrolled palestinian heavy weapons siezed past years significant threat existed refered times palestinian attacks israel lebanese soil lebanese attacks israel hopes lebanese government strong patrol border reason stronger changed largely driven lebanon lebanese syria important making easier control future palestinian attacks lebanese soil change brought israeli action ejected lebanese arab state actions fall trap treating lebanese palestinians part group arabs muslims times people support bombing palestinian camps retaliation death hands lebanese resistance shelling lebanese villages retaliation palestinian attack fully recognize lebanese side continue fundamental issue state control borders make real efforts expect cowardice bosnia weak 
hezbollah organization nysernet lines hernlem ncsu brad hernlem writes guerillas wrong assuming civilians cover killing soldiers country civilians cover attacking soldiers country attacking claim lebanese country confusing repeat rules explaining permissible civilians shields explain conditions permissible soldiers defend explain rules make terrorists launch missiles lebanon israeli civilians israelis defend missiles alan stein astein nysernet 
israeli press madness distribution world organization hebrew university jerusalem lines article center policy research writes center policy research subject israeli press madness written mideast forum israeli press madness israeli press paper zman aviv aviv time friday local aviv paper affiliated maariv date february journalist ehrlich subject interview soldiers served duvdevan cherry units disguise arabs operate occupied territories excerpts article written units disguise arabs things good falsehoods important problem units dealt serves cherry time insane mental health branch israeli army medical corps davidson called danny full editors served cherry discharge army works delivery called dudu serving cherry depart round world tour average israeli youngsters freshly discharged conscript service souls notice completely easy disclosures happened fellows cherry woundn easy began talk impossible make stop talking article horror stories recounted appalling openness short time command veteran team fellows applied release cherry called soldiers intifada command soldier talked stop common phenomenon cherry psychiatrist talk feel insane fridays home parents talked beach surf calm return keys father ready advance dare talk talk grab chair smash instantly nerve smashing chairs time running home beach normal friday eating lunch prepared mother omelette sorts risk sitting talking told mother event fresh mind told shot arab wound looked inspect began laugh hysterically wanted dared laugh straight face told made mincemeat arabs preparing molotov cocktails shot hitting beautifully deserved bullet molotov cocktail fire effect arab burning beautifully delighted fired bullets arab molotov cocktail chum straight felt pulled told mother mine split open guts belly arab spot reached spot arab blood gushing body spits yelled shut dared talk back hebrew laughed straight face laughing stare convulsing eyes told wait moment left order wounded arab asked soldier arab saved bleeding artery stopped stone telling mother details laughing straight face infuriated angry felt stopped eating seized plate omelette trimmings threw head stopped laughing madness falls frequently friend practice shooting field gull appeared middle field friend shot noticed deer standing high sigh deer aviv accurate rest fantasy hill friend aimed shot enjoyed sight falling rock shot deer climbed rocks young deer badly wounded bullet milk dead mother carefully inspected paths covered blood chunks torn flesh deer delighted sight good decided kill young deer spare suffering approached revolver shot head times short distance shoot straight head bullets sinking bullet made brains fall ground effect splattering lots blood straight made feel cured spurt madness standing soaked blood felt beasts prey explain happened tears walking hill felt badly back places carried assignments disabled rest life feel power feel godlike sorts danny dudu contemplate moment studying acting dudu work security linked occupation danny feels exact opposite advantage skills mastered earn chopped head deliver mercenary south africa kind suits perfectly human emotions reasonable salary problem board plane bosnia order fight transl israel shahak yisrael shahak crackpot chemist figures rechavia jerusalem post office figure feel concentration camp holocaust affected deeply josh backon huji 
israeli press torture distribution world organization hebrew university jerusalem lines article center policy research writes center policy research subject israeli press torture written mideast forum israeli press torture israeli press newspaper ariv date december author subject torture sigh farwell donchin truth interrogative polygraphy detection event related brain potentials psychophysiology research reported supported part contract number central intelligence agency preliminary reports presented meetings society psychophysiological research donchin israeli israel primitive torture brought russian mathematician lenningrad military hospital factor analysis multiple unit activity brain surely jest israel sics trained dogs arab prisoners commonly prison farms mississippi alabama protest torture israeli security personnel beat arab prisoners chicago police complain practice physical torture kindly refrain word josh backon huji title article moderate physical pressure times long hours interrogation room tulkarm prison humiliated beaten tortured omar daoud jaber heard interrogator shabak agent captain louis chatting phone wife moments omar felt humanbeing finished talking beat listened conversation enjoyed understood human late october days detention tulkarm prison omar jaber released charges jews arabs good people people release tulkarm interrogations rooms find person human left detention installation tulkarm bruised humiliated home days hands shook nerves omar jaber lucky healthy entire ultimately returned normal functioning small solar heater plant owns contrast hassan bader zbeidi released weeks detention tulkarm days shabak wing surroundings speak react mustafa barakat aged arrested early august brought tulkarm detention installation left dead recently received large number testimonies cruel tortures employed tulkarm detention installation shabak interrogators noted gordon director association israel palestinian physicians human rights complain shabak excite anan saber makhlouf year student fact extremely fearful describing manner interrogated tulkarm prison case publication paper return detention lead renewed mistreatment follow description tortures omar tall bearded silent talk finally quietly time embarrased ashamed spoke beats beats kiss hand hand hands interrogator calls room interrogator kissing hand kiss things place israeli army detention installation located military government compound tulkarm west bank shabak interrogation wing separate kingdom early march allowed representatives tselem israeli information center human rights territories visit tulkarm prison denied access interrogation wing interrogation wing shabak property solely shabak responsibility interrogations performed lieutnant sharon commander installation internal report written tselem member yuval ginbar visit major david governing commander prison system central command quoted report ethical problem enter interrogation wing transl shahak 
entire muslim population slaughtered armenians reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines source leonard ramsden hartill bobbs merrill company indianapolis pages memoirs armenian officer participated genocide million muslim people paragraph tartar section town longer existed pile ruins destroyed inhabitants slaughtered fate befell tartar section khankandi paragraph served russian army trained soldiers armenians rich possessed arms tartars received military training poor possessed arms knives shortly killing tartars village revolution russia suppressed serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
rmenian slaughtering twelve year muslim reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines source world alive personal story robert dunn crown publishers york memoirs american officer witnessed armenian genocide million muslim people length shooting petered horse rode djul burned flame showed steep tough dense scrub finally flatter ground suddenly alders smoldering houses trampled wheat brothers arms leading animals calves lamb fourth paragraph corpses pretty child straight black hair large eyes looked twelve years stubble meal scattered sack toting bayonet back judged blood scant breasts clot small bullet wound crusted homespun dress rawhide jacket knee pants face path huts reached pewter bowl carried upset dough steel jabbed neck spine grownups sorrel djul empty living till looked german speaking colonel tartars escaped dead serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
cold blooded slaughter muslim women children armenians reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article lasner columbia charles lasner writes rent midnight express tonight scene awhile savor moment change fact period fascist soviet armenian government ordered incited assisted participated genocide million muslim people race religion national origin past turkiye today azerbaijan utopic idiotic armenians brought havoc neighbors short sighted misplaced nationalistic fervor wrong agenda anachronistic methods armenians continue pernicious region usual treated neighbors nagorno karabag mountainous enclave lies completely azerbaijan border history whatsoever connected soviet armenia geographical aspect nagorno karabag historic homeland cradle artistic literary heritage azerbaijan renders armenian claims preposterous lunatic demand soviet armenian government heirs armenian dictatorship recognize turkish genocide soviet armenia return historic homeland turkish kurdish people soviet armenian government make material reparations heinous unspeakable crime victims turkish genocide world governments officially recognize turkish genocide turkish territorial rights refuse succumb armenian political pressure awareness turkish people necessity solidarity efforts pursue turkish victims genocide century positive step source sunday times march british weekly written thomas goltz agdam azerbaijan armenian soldiers massacre hundreds fleeing families spiralling violence gripping outer republics soviet union gained impetus yesterday cold blooded slaughter hundreds women children racked nagorno karabakh survivors reported armenian soldiers shot bayoneted azeris women children fleeing attack town hundreds possibly thousands missing feared dead attackers killed soldiers volunteers defending women children turned guns terrified refugees survivors happened real slaughter began azer hajiev soldiers survive armenians shot shot started carving people bayonets knives shooting shooting shooting echoed rasia aslanova arrived agdam women children made armenian lines husband kayun killed front daughter missing arrived agdam sliced survivors fled separately missing gruelling terrain perish wounds cold late yesterday deaths registered morgue agdam morgue bodies buried cemetery corpses awaiting burial children women shot chest point blank range agdam hospital scene carnage terror doctors patients escaped slaughter bullet injuries deep stab wounds safe agdam friday night rockets fell city population destroying buildings killing person serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
soviet armenia denies historical fact turkish genocide reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article mpoly michael polymenakos writes availability anon servers people beginning speak hope unspeakable crimes armenians righted armenian invaders burned sacked fatherland urartus massacred exterminated population presented world left urartus armenian civilization reliable western historians describe armenians ruthlessly exterminated million muslim women children elderly people eastern anatolia collaborated enemies ottoman empire truth armenians collaborators nazis world today criminal nazi members asala sdpa terrorism triangle preach instigate racism hatred violence terrorism peoples soviet armenia continues anti turkish policy ways soviet armenia denies historical fact turkish genocide order shift international public opinion political responsibility soviet armenia employing asala sdpa terrorism revisionism triangle criminal nazi armenians attempts call question veracity turkish genocide soviet armenia implemented state sponsored terrorism asala sdpa terrorism revisionism triangle attempt silence turkish people vehement demands protests human financial governmental resources soviet armenia tools united states attempt silence terrorism bribery subversive methods turkish supporters turkish political governmental humanitarian aforementioned methods soviet armenian government attempting neutralize international diplomatic community making turkish case contemporary issue efforts soviet armenian government terrorist revisionist organizations decades struggle closest systematically exterminated armenians international wall silence issue begun collapse number governments organizations supportive recognition turkish genocide serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
muslim left alive single historical armenian barbarism reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article halsall fordham paul halsall writes simple question serdar anytime armenians killed turks eastern anatolia area today full turks muslim kurds full armenians suffering severe case myopia muslim left alive single leading armenian units crossed ottoman border company russian invaders ottoman parliamentary representative erzurum karekin pastirmaciyan assumed revolutionary armen garo ottoman parliamentarian hamparsum boyaciyan armenian guerrilla forces ravaged turkish villages lines nickname murad ordering kill turks kurds find circumstances find turkish children killed form danger armenian nation hamparsum boyadjian varandian history dashnaktsutiun member parliament papazyan armenian guerrilla forces ravaged areas bitlis mush march russian forces began move immediately april armenians began revolt massacring turks vicinity make quick easy conquest russians czar nicholas telegram armenian revolutionary committee april thanking services russia armenian newspaper gochnak published united states proudly reported turks remained rest slaughtered source hovannisian richard armenia road independence university california press berkeley angeles addition kars batum oblasts empire increased area transcaucasia square miles estimated population entire region percent armenian percent georgian percent moslem group tatars paradoxically barely transcaucasia armenians lived erevan guberniia christians constituted majority uezds erevan uezd administrative center province armenians compared moslems time russian census armenians established scant majority percent guberniia risen percent inhabitants impressive change province ethnic character notwithstanding creation armenian republic solid block tartars continued dominate southern districts outskirts ereven border persia historic armenia administrative subdivisions transcaucasia percent turk closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape tartars proceeded work extermination troops surrounded village village resistance offered artillery knocked huts heaps stone dust villages untenable inhabitants fled fields bullets bayonets completed work tartars escaped found refuge mountains succeeded crossing border turkey rest killed length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki plains ararat cold mountain plateau north dotted mute mournful ruins tartar villages quiet villages howling wolves jackals visit scattered bones dead ohanus appressian source stanford shaw armenian collaboration invading russian armies history ottoman empire modern turkey volume reform revolution republic rise modern turkey london cambridge university press april dashnaks russian armenia organized revolt city armenians comprised percent population closest armenian majority city empire leaving erivan april armenian volunteers reached organized carried general slaughter local muslim population days small ottoman garrison retreat southern side lake knowing numbers justify territorial ambitions armenians looked russia europe fulfillment aims armenian treachery regard culminated beginning world decision revolutionary organizations refuse serve state ottoman empire assist invading russian armies hope participation russian success rewarded independent armenian state carved ottoman territories armenian political leaders army officers common soldiers began deserting droves russian invasion eastern anatolia beginning world degree armenian collaboration ottoman enemy increased drastically ottoman supply lines guerilla attacks armenian revolutionaries armed armenian civil populations turn massacred muslim population province anticipation expected arrival invading russian armies source stanford shaw history ottoman empire modern turkey cambridge university press london czar nicholas caucasus make final plans cooperation armenians ottomans president armenian national bureau tiflis declaring response countries armenians hurrying enter ranks glorious russian army blood serve victory russian arms russian flag wave freely dardanelles bosporus great majesty peoples remaining turkish yoke receive freedom armenian people turkey suffered faith christ receive resurrection free life protection russia armenians flooded czarist armies preparations made strike ottomans rear czar returned petersburg confident finally reach istanbul horizon tiflis november quoted hovannisian road independence ottoman morale military position east hurt prepared russian push eastern anatolia accompanied open armenian revolt sultan hovannisian road independence bayur allen muratoff caucasian battlefields cambridge ihsan sabis harb hahralaram vols ankara armenian state organized russian protection appeared muslim natives dead driven able maintain oldest centers ancient armenian civilization armenian legion organized expel turks entire southern shore lake preparation concerted russian drive bitlis vilayet thousands armenians major centers east began flood armenian state july armenians crowded area crisis housed people muslim muslim alike hovannisian road independence meclis vukela mazbatalari debates august babi evrak odasi ihtilali katl zilkade september wait diplomacy imperialism william langer york alfred knopf armenians watch opportunity kill turks kurds fire villages make escape mountains ottomans great tolerators armenians counted part millet forced control greek orthodox patriarchate people real main legal principles turkish state summarized article constitution republic turkey democratic secular social state governed rule bearing mind concepts public peace national solidarity justice respecting human rights loyal nationalism ataturk based fundamental tenets preamble constitution freedom culture religion prevailed ottoman empire allowing nations races boundaries remain autonomous fact ottoman empire longest lived recent history attributed freedoms lack written constitution attempts create written constitution occurred documents adopted attempts remained force temporarily provided basic elements constitution constitution legal document force parliament election share sovereignty emperor constitution additional limitations emperor increasing power parliament government world brought ottoman empire occupation istanbul parliament dissolved constitution abolished members parliament exile island occupying forces independence turkish grand national assembly held meeting april serve legislative body turkish state assembly prepared legal structure turkish republic republic proclaimed october constitution adopted constitution served legal backbone today modern turkish republic turkey adopted multi party political system constitution replaced constitutions republic based principles parliamentary democracy human rights national sovereignty division powers private ownership secularization major principles constitution constitution articles establishes structure republic principles turkish republic democratic secular social state governed governed maintain public peace national solidarity justice human rights objectives ataturk language state turkish sovereignty vested nation conditions restrictions sovereignty exercised organizations authorized nation legislative power carried parliament elected nation power delegated transferred executive power exercised president council ministers judicial power exercised independent courts behalf turkish nation individuals equal irrespective language race religion color political beliefs laws contradict principles stated constitution structure state accordance constitution structure state based principle division power create balanced controlled system power divided legislative power executive power judicial power balanced secure freedoms powers control control legislative power turkish grand national assembly parliament house elected nation term years exercise legislative power behalf nation basic functions assembly adopt amend repeal laws approve dismiss council ministers supervise question ministers council ministers debate amend approve annual budgets ratify international agreements grant amnesty pardons members parliament liability words oral written legislative duties country divided constituencies number representatives calculated population turkish citizen twenty vote elections supervised supreme council elections solves disputes appeals province local board election runs controls election supervision guidelines supreme council members council boards elected independent judges executive power president republic head state head government unites states main functions president represent state country insure implementation constitution coordinate legislative judicial executive functions supreme commander armed forces ratify laws government decrees president elected grand national assembly period years president ratify return laws debate call referendum executive power exercised council ministers headed prime minister prime minister appointed president members parliament prime minister names ministers approval president government council ministers reads program parliament vote confidence ministers council ministers members administration sued independent administrative courts misuse power administrative errors functions judicial power judicial power exercised independent courts authority power instruct judges public prosecutors courts discharged replaced retired executive authorities reasons stated laws categories courts turkish judiciary system courts justice deal legal commercial criminal cases decisions courts reviewed supreme court justice appeal parties involved decisions functions executive power including prime minister ministers governmental department appealed administrative courts functions decisions decisions administrative courts reviewed high administrative court laws decisions grand national assembly examined constitutional court contradict constitution found contradictory court cancel decisions laws parliament serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
hamas death organization digital equipment corp newsreader lines tclock clock writes brought separate question israel unjustified policies practices unclear reaction practices polocies reflected article separate question clock deceiving judge resistance movement context occupation alaa zeineldine 
investment yehuda shomron organization division applied sciences harvard university lines article center policy research writes learn perversion judaism consult masterly work yehoshua harkabi years head israeli intelligence opponent latest book published english includes detailed analysis judeo nazism talks jews hatred spend time attacking judaism jews israel despicable anti semetic stereotypes coin term jedeo nazism refer jews endless desire accepted nazis dirty work call house jews fools anti semites jewish families house jews reference person jewish ancestry issues statements company organization condemn judaism perfectly sufficeint years free anti semetic role models wonders adam adam shostack adam harvard budget drugs sexual favors waste members congress john perry barlow 
israeli soldiers organization amherst college newsreader version lines humorous impressed incredible senses sarcasm propriety mind post jokes mother 
legality jewish purchase organization aiken computation harvard university lines article zbib writes adam shostack writes zbib writes surprised acquisition land jews arabs purpose establishing exclusive state hostile action leading purpose establishing state exclusive state state exclusive arab citizens ethnic composition israel formed israeli citizens ethnic composition depends formed deeded israel purchase land hostile action land sell mutually agreeable price commerce hostile action leading mind sell freedom dignity palestinians exception heard anti trust business world anti trust laws place mandatory palestine answer argument interestingly constructed irrelevant respond points assert talking anti trust laws establishing bridgehead european jews fleeing arab lands jews class citizens paid fair market jews paid fair market land bought victims international conspiracy people start talking international jewish conspiracy begins sound anti semitic bull reason conspiracy simple zionists made bones conferences publications talking creating national home jews israel gave citizenship remaining arabs maintain democratic facade western flowing israel western granted citizenship arabs remained granting citizenship facade wrong beleive israel democratic constraints dominant ethnic group jews arabs personaly heard arab community isreal community history roots dead heard dead fact claimed israel give arabs rights existant international argument hole drive truck assert israel democratic unexplained constraints ethnic group problem argument arabs allowed vote constraints israeli democracy exist democratic states heard khazakistani arab population history roots gurion university israel neighbors israeli arab neighbors make dead oppressed stand corrected meant jewish culture predominant palestine recent history problem jerusalem jewish character predominantly jewish make rest palestine recent recent build case jewish gaza city pretty silly arguing jerusalem jewish land ethnicity adam adam shostack adam harvard budget drugs sexual favors waste members congress john perry barlow 
himmler speech extirpation jewish race lines nntp posting host euclid ucsd washington stark reminder holocaust speech nazi leader heinrich himmler refers extermination jewish race display friday national archives documents including handwritten notes himmler evidence exists rebut claims holocaust myth archivists notes give authenticity robert wolfe supervisory archivist captured german records supposed destroy bosses obey rules documents moved berlin himmler hoped safe hiding place recovered allied forces world salt mine salzburg austria himmler spoke posen poland german secret police generals talk frankly grave matter mentioned frankly speak publicly clearing extermination jewish race page glory history written written emphasis mine german word himmler translated extermination ausrottung wolfe precise translation extirpation tearing roots handwritten notes himmler euphemism judenevakuierung evacuation jews archives officials extermination word spoke preserved audiotape archives himmler oversaw adolf hitler final solution jewish question committed suicide arrested national archives exhibit display preview opening united states holocaust memorial museum april national archives exhibit includes page himmler handwritten notes typed transcript speech offical translation made nuremberg crimes trials saturday times press revans ucsd 
spying case organization collaborative information technology research institute lines arens yigal arens writes angeles times tuesday april details extensive operation emerge inquiry transcripts reveal years espionage infiltrated political groups richard paddock times staff writer file yigal 
xsoviet armenia denies historical fact turkish genocide reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article tolman asylum utah utah kenneth tolman writes hope unspeakable crimes armenians righted armenian invaders burned sacked fatherland justifiable wrongs previous years ancestors tortured enslaved killed blacks responsibility direct relatives things current torture enslavement genocide lets correct lets forget forgive historical reason kill torture back things pray infantile arbiters past injustice suggesting forget cold blooded genocide million muslim people armenians people aware hitler pattern elimination jews based armenians turkish people remembers today extermination tartars adolf hitler august ruth rosenbaum durusoy turkish holocaust turk soykirimi refer turks kurds history forgotten people serve society people totally unaware happened vicious society fascist armenians decided simply phoniest pretexts excuse wiping peace loving industrious intelligent productive ethnic group demand fascist government soviet armenia redress wrongs people catch hold lose sight historical precedence century reverse events past strive memory tragedy alive side atlantic prevent recurrence extermination people religion race means support claims turks kurds return lands soviet armenia determine future nation homeland serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
entire muslim population subjected genocide armenians reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article hminassi ucsd writes azeri president abulfaz elchibey azerbaijan recovered bodies terrorists including blacks mongols fighters recently brought armenian capital yerevan lebanon dream demands armenians government soviet armenia outstanding issues land reparations recognition means lands properties returned rightful owners turkish kurdish people years long armenians showed area entire population region subjected genocide belief genocide planned exterminate turkish people region woman child armenians tortured massacred millions defenseless civilians assemble innocent civilians mosques burn buildings methods today traveler region seldom free evidence armenian crimes stomach strongly recommend references armenian genocide muslims erzurum turkish genocide museums neside kerem demir sehid anasina tarihin soyledikleri turkiye ermeni meselesi hulbe basim yayin ankara veysel eroglu ermeni mezalimi sebil yayinevi istanbul alper gazigiray osmanlilardan gunumuze kadar vesikalarla ermeni teroru kaynaklari gozen kitabevi istanbul kirzioglu fahrettin kars cevresinde ermeni mezalimi kardes matbaasi ankara final goodbye azerbaijan photo press cemetery agdam azerbaijan family members friends grieved burial victims killed fighting nagorno karabagh chingiz iskandarov hugged coffin remains brother victims copy koran atop coffin york times final embrace photo press chingiz iskenderov weeps coffin holding remains brother relatives grieve azarbaijani cemetery yesterday amid burial victims killed fighting nagorno karabagh washington post nagorno karabagh victims buried azerbaijani town refugees claim hundreds died armenian attack bodies today children women shot chest appeared close range refugees treated agdam hospital include multiple stab wounds thomas goltz washington post serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
thousands armenians serving german army waffen reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article hminassi ucsd writes turkey bare teeth armenia sooner expect remember cyprus vehemently disagree fact nazi armenians europe established vast network german collaborators extended continents thousands armenians serving german army waffen russia western europe armenians involved espionage column activities hitler balkans arabian peninsula promised independent state german protection agreement signed armenian national council copy agreement found congressional record november document side atlantic nazi armenians aware brethrens alliance expressed nazi sentiments america entered summary world armenians carried german cringing fawning nazis zeal armenian publication germany hairenik carried statements difficult eradicate poisonous elements jews struck deep root chronic disease people nazis eradicate uncommon method attempts regarded revolutionary surgical operation flow blood natural thing view armenian genocide muslims jews extracts letter dated december published francisco chronicle answer letter published journal signature amarian hand information evidence armenian atrocities people jews members family witnessed murder members family erzurum turkey armenian neighbors bent destroying remotely jewish muslim armenians history havoc ancestors perpetrated neighbors armenians league hitler premise grant government return armenians exterminate jews armenians hearty proponents anti semitic acts league russian communists amarian bias signed elihu levi vacaville california james mandalian drastamat kanayan armenian review quarterly hairenik association summer june serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
muslim people slaughtered sdpa criminals reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article sdpa writes discussion place english face words noggin place hope sdpa mouthpiece fascist soviet armenian government role murder orhan gunduz kemal arikan muslims slaughtered sdpa publicly declared filed legal authorities people sdpa stated stand sdpa january angeles kemal arikan slaughtered armenians driving work march cambridge massachusetts prelude grisly murder gift import shop belonging orhan gunduz blown gunduz receives ultimatum honorary position executed refuses responsibility claimed jcag sdpa cambridge massachusetts orhan gunduz turkish honorary consul boston armenian terrorist ultimatum give title honorary consul attacked murdered cold blood president reagan orders manhunt avail witness gave description murderer shot survives falls silent revolting triumphs senseless mindless history armenian terrorism murder brings absolutely boost murderer armenian terrorist underworld wallowing satisfaction involved murder sarik ariyak december sydney nazi armenians massacre sarik ariyak bodyguard engin sever jcag sdpa claim responsibility source edward boghosian radical group hosts attended solidarity meeting armenian reporter athens greece array representatives greek political parties including ruling pasok party host political groups armenian armenian joined voice solidarity armenian people pursuit activities armenian political force voiced sunday april international meeting solidarity armenian people judging encouraging messages offered representatives political groups organizations greece armenian enjoys abundant support wide spectrum political world international meeting solidarity sponsored greek branch armenian popular movement comparatively political force headed younger generations armenians openly profess support armed struggle armenian secret army liberation armenia asala organization branches european middle eastern countries united states branches switch loyalties split ranks asala voicing support pasok ruling party greece armenian people charalambidi michalis member central committee party greek member permanent people tribunal explaining goals aspirations armenian popular movement sarkisian significant address delivered bassam salim behalf popular front movement continued support armenians armed struggle pursuit pledging palestinian operated training camps open armenian youth training struggle salim answering question writer affirmed organization trained armenian members asala policy continue doors camps open armenian freedom fighters affirmed prominent greek politicians attended conference prime minister papandreou holds post greek cabinet members cypriot parliament journeyed athens specific purpose attending international gathering representatives christian democratic party edik center party wings communist party representatives assortment labor unions trade associations number mayors greek towns cities greek members european parliament members greek parliament participated international conference hand follow deliberations ambassador bulgaria athens significant large number messages received organizers including palestinian national revolutionary movement fatah popular front liberation palestine general command central committee palestinian national liberation movement fatah socialist progressive party lebanon arab socialist labor party kurdistan democratic union iraq numerous international groups noted radical stand israeli palestinian conflict support messages received armenian groups armenian revolutionary federation revolutionary movement group claimed abduction assassination party leaders lebanon accused selling foreign interests powers message gave support armenian popular movement pledging revolutionary movement continue reveal realities matter bitter tragic expose anti armenian activities leaders dashnag bureau message indication link loose exists dissident dashnag group armenian popular movement open supporters asala armed struggle armenian popular movement headquarters suburb greek capital neos kosmos large armenian presence headquarters located story building appears turned beehive activity part scores armenian youth prefer give names invited introduce comment columbia vedat dogan subject addressing message article sdpa david davidian writes article columbia vedat dogan wrote response article sdpa sdpa david davidian writes source adventures east rawlinson jonathan cape bedford square london published pages pile garbage reference published pages checking page asked davidian published book desk book pages claimed davidian pages question book total page numbers closer mine crap posted quotes crap exist previous posting quotes exist source serdar argic reject addition author preface written january book published book front page author preface give year january check library send copies pages care year published care book writes murders tortures quotes serdar argic 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closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
sdpa made armenian synonymous idiot criminal nazi reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article sdpa writes mutlu argic cosar thousands sdpa criminals nazis action fascist government genocide million turkish women children enjoying fruits genocide criminal organization genocide cover june major uprising place sebinkarahisar leadership famous nazi boyadjian moslem districts burnt hundreds soldiers gendarmerie killed hundreds civilians perished armenians occupied talori region included villages siner simai gulli guzat hedenk sinank ekind effard musson etek akcesser leaving wives children property inaccessible spots armenians joined forces armed bands coming silvan districts plain body gathered andok hundred wished surround started attacking delican tribe south city slaughtered number tribe seized goods religious beliefs muslims fell hands derided disparaged muslims murdered frightful manner rebels attacked regular troops vicinity large numbers regular forces prevented occupying city rebels joined bandits andok carrying frightful massacres looting tribes neighbourhood burned omer agha nephew alive raped number turkish women spot hours distance gulli guzat strangled beginning august rebels attacked faninar bekiran badikan tribes perpetrating equally horrible atrocities rebels villages yermut ealigernuk nahiye cinan kaza attacked kurds neighbourhood villages kaisser catcat august armenians attacked kurds vicinity burned villages including gulli guzat rebels talori continued spread death destruction muslims christian communities refusing arms source uras esat armenians history documentary publications istanbul speech sivas congress mustafa kemal drew picture country occupation east armenians making preparations advancing river halys kizilirmak started policy massacring moslem population situation southern provinces turkey signing mudros armistice ataturk speech armenians south armed foreign troops encouraged protection enjoyed molested mohammedans district pursued relentless policy murder extinction responsible tragic incident maras armenians completely destroyed mohammedan town maras artillery machine fire killed thousands innocent defenceless women children armenians instigators atrocities unique history source documents volume document archive cabin drawer file section contents march district governor kemal list male inhabitants mergehu village murdered annihilated utmost savagery armenians names method annihilation haci ibrahim abdi bullets bayonet abdi haci ibrahim bullets bayonet reso abdi beaten pieces sado omer beaten pieces reso beaten pieces kulu canko stabbed bayonet musa canko bayonet emin molla hamit bayonet molla abdullah hamit bayonet haci bayonet sado haci bayonet abdullah canko slaughtered ahmet abdomen ripped open ismail burnt fire musto bullets mahmut seyyo slaughtered kocak birro bullets musto husnu bullets bullets maksut peri bullets haci peri bullets mehmet hasanali bayonet hasanali bayonet abdo mehmed bayonet molla suleyman burnt oven mazgi abdullah stabbed abdomen bayonet sulis hasan bullets mahmo mehmet stabbed dagger murat hasan stabbed dagger avci blinded bayonet lesko mehmet stabbed dagger abdullah kasim bullets coban abdullah bullets seymo mumin bullets muammer reso bullets paso merzi bullets gulu bitor bullets murat yusuf bullets bayonet cedo haci ibrahim bullets bayonet faki mehmet bullets bayonet silo abdulcebbar bullets bayonet list massacred females village kasi daughter huso wife haci ibrahim bullets fati daughter wife aduz bullets zeresan daughter amat wife reso bayonet gullu daughter iyso cutting breasts sulnu daughter sulo ripping open abdomen burning wife baby oven fatma daughter slaughtered burnt oven fidan hatun burnt oven gulfizar daughter hacihan wife musto slaughtered rahime daughter mehmet wife halil bullets binefs daughter haci kerim wife suleyman burnt oven mahiye daughter wife sivno slaughtered hati daughter haci wife ahmet slaughtered hacer daughter meho bullet bayonet list females village raped murdered nadire daughter haci wife suvis hani daughter kulu wife zerko zaliha daughter telli wife silo arap daughter sami wife hilo wounded males females village long list list massacred males females istuci village mikail bullets musto ismail bullets dervis maksut bullets nimet bayonet esat kelo bayonet bullets nebi bayonet bullets cevher gani beaten rifle butt ziro daughter hasan died injuries hazal daughter wife acem died injuries hamsa daughter huseyin wife huseyin died injuries list raped women istuci village life sabo daughter maho virgin miri daughter maho virgin emine daughter meho wife sofi salih sahap daughter wife nevruz gullu daughter mahi virgin list persons attacked armenian gangs long list serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
himmler speech extirpation jewish race organization brown university department computer science lines himmler inferior races human animals speech posen speech reichsfuehrer himmler major generals posen october nazi conspiracy aggression basic principal absolute rule honest decent loyal comradely members blood russian czech interest slightest nations offer good blood type kidnapping children raising nations live prosperity starve death interests slaves culture interest russian females fall exhaustion digging anti tank ditch interest anti tank ditch germany finished rough heartless clear germans people world decent attitude animals assume decent attitude human animals crime blood worry give ideals causing sons grandsons difficult time anti tank ditch women children inhuman kill murderer blood anti tank ditch german soldiers sons german mothers blood extract himmler address party comrades september trials criminals pole sexual dealing german woman sexual intercourse hanged front camp provisions made sufficient number polish women necessity kind question women brought courts mercy facts sufficiently proved borderline cases happen concentration camp million poles hundreds thousands workers alien blood inflict untold damage german blood philosophizing avail case danny keren 
armenia shoot turkish planes organization univ rochester college engineering applied science lines article henrik writes article terziogl rochester esin terzioglu writes article sdpa david davidian writes armenia shoot turkish planes ermenistan kasiniyor translate public traslation service armenia itchy esin clearify turkish armenia itchy simply letting world longer quiet turks famous tricks armenians remember turkish invasion greek island cypress world simply watched ignorance obvious posting cyprus independent country turkish greek inhabitants greek island ignorant posting claims cyprus english time read learn post esin 
hezbollah organization university illinois urbana lines mafifi calstate marc afifi writes forget soldiers killed murdered distinction trivial murder innocent people people line work kill killed happened soldiers line duty killed opposition cheer deaths policemen line fire includes possibility killed happy question agree policies israel israelis cease occupation rejoice death marc 
hezbollah organization university illinois urbana lines amehdi honeywell hossien amehdi writes article eshneken uiuc edward shnekendorf writes hell israeli policy fiat minds israeli generals policy intimidation published information actions arabs specifically uncommon lebanon campaign brain full shit minds make israeli policy deleted business reading minds case israelis leaders past present arrogant tough talks intimidate arabs deal arabs threaten drive burn half conuntry talk nicely wouldn language middle east power force strong israel talk tough notice israel talks acts tough battle talk peace israelis arabs able achieve peace years fighting major reasons arab governments representative people leaders stupid independent dictators true brainwashed people thinking jews sort monsters arab recognition israel support terror important factor israeli government arrogant comprising israel negotating sick people calling israel withdraw territories realistic realize solution negotiated table patience 
hezbollah organization corporation open systems distribution world lines mafifi calstate marc afifi writes stssdxb unocal dorin baru writes extemist sided jewish israeli postings disagree openly back plain murder lebanese resistance talking bunch lebanese farmers detonate bombs work organized entity lebanese trained mercenaries curious guess back killings hundreds marines beirut kind resistance movement killed jewish attlets munich posted garbage consistent dorin dorin forget soldiers killed murdered distinction trivial murder innocent people people line work kill killed happened soldiers line duty killed opposition resistance terrorism athletes munich victims terrorists call freedom fighters call murderous bastards deaths compared soldiers killed resistance fighters forget french resistance nazi occupying forces eventually succeeded driving hostile occupiers wwii diplomacy worked israel damn minute history books read recall british canadian american commonwealth soldiers france time taking vacation trip lebanese people tired occupied turning option viable forget worked driving lebanese foreigners country back killing marc people narrow minded crack door eyes opinions employer opinions 
fundamentalism organization thinking machines corporation cambridge lines distribution world nntp posting host composer article khan mohammad razi khan writes biggest complaints word fundamentalist people speak muslime fundamentalists muslim defines jewish christan fundamentalist equal definition takers naturei karta jewish fundamentalists ultra orthodox jewish groups hesitant making broad generalization shai guday stealth bombers software engineer thinking machines corp winged ninjas skies cambridge 
hezbollah organization thinking machines corporation cambridge lines distribution world nntp posting host composer article mafifi calstate marc afifi writes forget french resistance nazi occupying forces eventually succeeded driving hostile occupiers wwii incorrect french resistance played part hindering german effort crucial role supplied diplomacy worked israel lebanese people tired occupied turning option viable forget worked driving interesting statement lebanon claimed made progress peace talks israel prime obstacles israel complete withdrawal lack governmental control applied area large presence syrian forces asked withdraw shai guday stealth bombers software engineer thinking machines corp winged ninjas skies cambridge 
freeman bashing free propaganda machine freemanwith blood israel nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia peter garfiel freeman organization columbia university lines article mafifi calstate marc afifi writes columbia peter garfiel freeman writes peter succinct post date brilliant marc tough read topic message brain real school 
turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece armenia azeris organization university illinois urbana lines tankut sabri atan writes article uiuc panos tamamidis writes greeks problem fanatics greeks talk turkish experience friends open greeks history wars current situations panos tamamidis turks bear responsibility things happening today hard objective things historical perspective turks moved area inhabited greeks history nations started centuries continuous battle nations perspective greeks responsible happened nations reasonable argue hostility drag till kick turks area happen improve relations countries golden oportunity exists cyprus things work work nations conflicts countries blame side sides anatolia avoid discuss things waist time open flame conflicts started side aggressive ither suffering compromise remember action turkish government removing visa requirement greeks turkey thought positive attempt make relations thought smart move receive money greek tourists week tourists greece turkey leave figure means economy visa requirement greeks bother visit turkey greeks mentioned talk educated people person turkey politics business business turks individuals hatred extrapolate limited personal experience reasonable conclusion tankut atan tankut panos tamamidis 
iranian azeri drop atomic bomb armenia summary fool article urartu organization center regional studies lines article farid writes farid support preservation territorial integrity farid azerbaijan independence russian rule iranians farid includes millions azerbaijanis armenia retreat farid territory azerbaijan prove interesting farid count iranian supposedly counter turkish influence farid fatal error part armenia long armenia farid violation international azerbaijani lands occupation armenia counting iranian violations international laws international azerbaijan attack depopulate armenians karabakh farid armenian aggression continues territory azerbaijan farid iran armenia steps farid armenian army back armenia speak rafsanjani farid azerbaijanis iran guarantors policy farid scaring iranians turks russian power experts present farid future military potentials people farid stock russain power sole power region long farid supposed experts expert russians stop influence caucasus treaty turkmanchay makes years azeris iran force armenians karabakh real good trick farid iran alian developing capability produce bomb farid reliable delivery system refer recent news releases farid potential iran azeris iran force armenians karabakh forcing iranian government drop atomic bomb armenians farid moral story invading neighbor farid home azerbaijan flash russia guns questioned fine drop atomic bomb neighbor damn fool farid farid marshal shapashnikov words turkey farid short years drop atomic bomb russia farid peaceful resolution armenian azerbaijani conflict farid armenia find fruits aggression bitter farid armenians peaceful dropping atomic bomb iranian azeri benevolence poor iranian azeri nice stay tabriz back david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece armenia azeris nntp posting host troy bellcore organization lines article uiuc michalis syrimis writes concentration labor camp turkey cypriot greeks greeks talking nonsense glad read position kind concentration camps akgun living days internal external news knowledge position turkey democratic goverment free press time forget internal news agencies heard international source concentration camps greek cypriot prisoners turkey heard adana camp secret recognized camp registered prisoners cross returned homes version story cases prisoners registered messages relatives released undeniable facts vanished turkish labor camps turks decided acknowledge existence changed minds releasing happened thought subject rambo chuck noris movies wrong treatment convention belive turkiye clandestine state history respected continuous member inception body questioned membership turkey happened short lived arms embargo imposed unilaterally satisfy internal greek loby answer wasting anytime condemning resolutions turkey handling cyprus problem coup israel athens junta duruing greeks share closed matter today turkish cypriots turks greeks greek cypriots official demand greek cypriots missing greek cypriots heard official demand missing persons looked latest agenda cyprus talks mediated gali issue whatsoever missing people negotiating parties heard times denktas interviews turkish international press longer issue peace talks fish greek cypriot politician words argic posted zillion times describing missing peoples greek cypriot myth opinions greek cypriots missing people turkish custody claim majority missing persons infact killed period coup invasion days simply true cases missing persons cases people reserve forces lost battlefield civilians prisoners villages turkish army claiming told greek cypriots answer turkish goverment turkish cypriots wanted locate july final cease fire late august answer satisfy international community vasilu goverment make issue peace talks aware condemnation turkey missing greek cypriot nicos sampson bloodless coup hurt events photos refer photos greek cypriot soldiers rounded prison camp turkey opinion greek cypriots myth officers turkish army governed adana camp hell clever dudes cover tracks hope turkish army type morons security turkiye good subject movie script inform oliver stone justice served bosnian pleas answered dare masterminds ethnic cleansing idea today eoka masterminds openly giving interviews time eoka case justice served akgun comparing actions serbians bosnian actions turkey cyprus turk thought serbians savages inhumane beasts akgun michalis syrimis understood paragraph computer system administrator check character conversion tables system inform mine akgun 
reasons hezbollah nntp posting host tbilisi honeywell organization honeywell systems research center lines article stssdxb unocal dorin baru writes tough talk arrogance adults listen tough talk american politicians switch channel guess make point clear case israel government tough talk intimidation policy people intimidated talking tough talks aggressive actions taking pride actions bragging 
deriving pleasure death nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia peter garfiel freeman organization columbia university lines applaud killing human including prisoners sentenced death illustrious justice department peace marc stupid person justice department sentence people death state courts brain 
hezbollah reply colostate nntp posting host parry lance colostate organization engineering college colorado state university lines answer dorin questions addressed specifically feel concerned thread southern lebanese village receiving israel bombs place death soldiers patrol occupied lebanese territory terrorism murder disingeneous compare death athletes munich terrorism mrder exercise aimed solely diverting issue truth dorin remote ignorant problem ground comments charactrized irrelevant heavily colored preconceptions misinformation paint accurate picture situation south lebanon article stssdxb unocal dorin baru writes israeli civilian opinion condone bombing villages kind villages claim villages civilians iraelis claim camps filled terrorists claim israelis shell villages hope finding terrorist kill fine civilians back home village summer information people bunch indiscriminate terrorists people village regular inhabitants daily business work fields small shops older coffe shop drink coffee hard imagine terrorist camp israelis view villages small communities kids playing soccer streets women preparing lunch playing cards young aged years members lebanese resistance inhabitants village secretive people suspect young supported financially iran time sneak arms ammunitions occupied zone booby traps israeli patrols time israeli soldier killed injured traps israel retalliates indiscriminately bombing villages choosing killing innocent civilians back announce bombed terrorist hideout year happened accustomed israeli tactics figure israeli telling hurt soldiers price accept price free land israel hurting resistance militarily strikes keeping pressure villagers demand young stop attacking israeli soldiers attacks taking heavy toll lives civilian villagers israel retalliation policy cold hearted reality accept deal lebanese resistance hand stop attacks occupying israeli soldiers withdraw real leverage force israel withdraw people south lebanon occupied shelled israel regular basis occupied israel insists called security zone protection northern israel price occupation blood soldiers israel interested peace withdraw land establishment lebanese occupied zone northern israel protect villages attacked regular basis israel policy removal israeli occupation establishment peace keeping troops border written newsgroup real solution result comprehensive peace settlement israel withdraws borders peace keeping troops stationed border insure side border shelled realistic solution time israel realize concept buffer zone aimed protecting northern cities failed fact caused israeli deaths occasional shelling northern israel resulted israel save israeli lives withdraw unilaterally called security zone conclusion peace talks move save israeli lives advance peace efforts give israel great moral lift israel public image abroad give edge peace negociations israel rightly claim genuinely interested peace offered important concessions withdrawal israel demand hizbollah disarmed lebanese government warn accept attacks northern cities shelling occurs taking buffer zone hold lebanese syrian government responsible incentive syrian lebanese goovernment hizbollah bomb israel proper circumstances lebanese government proven capable controlling disarming militias parts lebanon questions problem answering question qualified candidate murder justifies murder agree case isareli soldiers killing qualified murder matter feeling able make similar statements eliminating israelis jews wrong quarrel jews israeli civilians real problem occupying israeli soldiers brave israeli pilots bomb civilian villages time occupying soldier attacked dorin basil 
serdar argic organization itex jerusalem israel lines bill paxton writes serdar meet located meet forward meeting reach serdar able reach sysadmin email phone snail mail information internic ahmet cosar anatolia suite minneapolis minnesota domain anatolia administrative contact technical contact zone contact cosar ahmet cosar finger cosar ahmet cosar info registered winter internet mailbox cosa mailbox profs cosa postal address minneapolis surname cosar telephone title grad userid cosa mailbox ahmet cosar mail prmd admd warren nysernet 
warsaw ghetto uprising anniversary visitor originator nysernet reply bitnet organization nysernet lines original message mincha tish yamim omer chamishi nisan thshn universita varsha varsha galut hamara meod shalom visiting ghetto city days interested events timetable abridged april kabbalat shabbat service nozyk shul twarda street warsaw mins walk palace science culture tallest building city centre distance central railway station april shacharit shabbat service nozyk shul april fallen memorial service nozyk shul april memorial ceremony jewish cemetery okopowa street warsaw april official arts programme congress hall building adjacent palace science culture shul located quarter walk downtown hotels bristol forum victoria europejski holiday marriott april laying wreaths ghetto heros monument shabbat shalom hitraot varsha shelomoh slawek zieniuk student univ warsaw dept hebrew warsaw shalom adaber hema lamilchama tehillim guest mail account 
hezbollah organization tufts university medford lines congratulations hamas activists blew world trade center american grave underlining bankrupt imperialist policies hamas blah blah blah blah blah brad violence love back haunt nissan 
fundamentalism organization engineering management institute flint lines fundamentalist defines fundamentalist essential question agreed answer literature discussion news mohammad khan khan july send mail mkhan 
hezbollah organization department redundancy department lines article eshneken uiuc edward shnekendorf writes brad sick bitch wishing death enemy deranged pity acquire philosophy islam brad hernlem hernlem ncsu interesting question ponder brad sickness make ayatollah style islam attractive religion brad formally adopted give sickness jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
hezbollah organization department redundancy department lines article mafifi calstate marc afifi writes diplomacy worked israel hasn egypt rest arab world officially denies israel exists lebanese people tired occupied turning option viable kick syria forget worked driving american occupied lebanon jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
hezbollah organization department redundancy department lines article hernlem ncsu brad hernlem writes hezbollah lebanese resistance fighters skilled precision bombing israeli targets hard beat bomb suicidal driver target blowing booby traps radio controlled bombs cars pretty efficient killers point find methods restrained responsible part islamic system israeli method shelling bombing villages hope hezbollah member killed civilians murdered israeli methods iraq wouldn nuked long entire arab towns deported executions performed tens thousands fact israeli methods evil common everyday arab states soldiers trained country soldiers duty died government israeli soil israeli soil brad wait ayatollah thought police wind holy muslim soil forgotten allah mercy brad hernlem hernlem ncsu jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
deriving pleasure death organization unocal corporation lines peter garfiel freeman writes applaud killing human including prisoners sentenced death illustrious justice department peace marc stupid person justice department sentence people death state courts brain peter ridiculous stupidity measure judicial system guess marc meant death penalty matter meant statement justified dorin 
news briefs organization central lines article karbasi ohio state writes nehzat aazaadee member times arrested tortured speak prison item confirms long standing suspicion reason regime destroyed nehzat aazaadee completely show brag freedom expression iran propaganda paper regime absolutely freedom expression isnt heavy usage anonymous posting sympathizers didnt roam anon poster occasionally good days 
reasons hezbollah organization unocal corporation lines hossien amehdi writes article stssdxb unocal dorin baru writes tough talk arrogance adults listen tough talk american politicians switch channel guess make point clear case israel government tough talk intimidation policy people intimidated talking tough talks aggressive actions taking pride actions bragging agressive actions sides tough talk sides arab leader menacing throw jews water tough talk killing people mildly agressive justified opinion israeli soldiers justified opinion jews justified opinion brad wrote article israelis killed ther pride satisfaction lines feel disgusting agree killing technically murder enthousiastic points objective blame remark dorin 
israeli expansion lust organization aiken computation harvard university lines article zbib writes article adam uucp adam shostack writes article zbib writes imho matter started individual battle arabs isreal context real question started doubts creation israel arab land started armies invaded israel vowing drive jews jews wanted live peace arabs stayed israel granted citizenship surprised acquisition land jews arabs purpose establishing exclusive state hostile action leading purpose establishing state exclusive state state exclusive arab citizens purchase land hostile action land sell mutually agreeable price commerce hostile action leading jews wanted live peace wanted exclusively jewish state jews control jews masters land living peace meaningless means living equal native arab leave options jews arabs citizens arabs stayed citizens choose vote jews palestinians stayed stayed happened number tolerated defenseless ineffective minority wrong israel recall palestinian refugees talking millions civilians people left voluntarily reason israel israel gave citizenship remaining arabs maintain democratic facade western flowing israel western granted citizenship arabs remained granting citizenship facade makes land arab explain contract land control ottomans ruled years left barely trace concept land identity foreign mobile pragmatic west partly concept natal native soil jews previous history region recent memory talking everyday life archeology fail establish jews history israel thousand years lots jews slaughtered crusaders israel thriving community gaza city roughly jews majority jerusalem onwards make land jewish adam adam shostack adam harvard budget drugs sexual favors waste members congress john perry barlow 
rafat sampson organization aiken computation harvard university lines article aaldoubo denver colorado shaqeeqa writes article perlman colorado eric perlman writes argue current palestinian delegation represents hope kind legitimacy matter naftaly adam arafat advises delegation supports matter arafat behalf recognizes israel exist israel policy direct negotiations hold substance situation arafat explicitly denies claim libyan televison interview yasser arafat people palestinian revolution times changed strategies tactics left imprint palestinian problem palestinian liberation front strategies tactics clear question direction palestinian problem clear palestinian leadership stopped media happened dialogue united states recognized called israel recognize state israel recognition palestinian state established decide recognize israel established parliament convene decide policies justify occupation grassroot movements reject israel authority disregard human rights israel peace abandon policies replace israel withdraw control territory prerequsites leads reduction deaths weaken israels bargianing position respect peace talks leaving gaza unilateraly idea encourages arabs killing jews israel pull gaza negotiations negotiations lead mutually agreeable solution security guarantees sides arabs ready table talk expect recieve concessions adam adam shostack adam harvard budget drugs sexual favors waste members congress john perry barlow 
fundamentalism organization aiken computation harvard university lines article khan mohammad razi khan writes biggest complaints word fundamentalist people speak muslime fundamentalists muslim defines jewish christan fundamentalist equal definition takers american press routinely word fundamentalist refer christians jews christian fundementalists refered context anti abortion protests american media fundamentalist refer jews live judea samaria gaza torah adam adam shostack adam harvard budget drugs sexual favors waste members congress john perry barlow 
deriving pleasure death nntp posting host cunixa columbia reply columbia peter garfiel freeman organization columbia university lines condemnation marc ridiculous attacks american department justice attacks jews offense calling marc stupid apologize pointing obvious waste time hope american citizens basic knowlege structure american government understand relationship justice department part executive branch courts judicial branch marc ignorance basic civic knowlege underscores inability comprehend interpret foreign affairs peace pete 
israeli expansion lust organization aiken computation harvard university lines article zbib writes actions lebanese resistance send isrealis packing concerned bloodshed criticism great favor days learn stop israel fighting back stop attacking attacks security zone year lebanese army maintain peace lebanon shape syrian troops attacked occupying lebanon israel repeatedly stated leave conditions demonstration lebanese army peace syrians pull adam adam shostack adam harvard budget drugs sexual favors waste members congress john perry barlow 
hezbollah organization aiken computation harvard university lines article mafifi calstate marc afifi writes resistance fighters forget french resistance nazi occupying forces eventually succeeded driving hostile occupiers wwii time thought britian invading normandy constant round clock bombing fact germans fighting fronts silly devalue actions resistance movements resistance movements defeat nazis diplomacy worked israel lebanese people tired occupied turning option viable forget worked driving israel repeatedly stated leave lebanese government shows prevent attacks israel syrians agree leave lebanese diplomacy long capable syrians iranians occupy land closed hezbolah negotiated withdrawl syrian forces israel happy leave adam adam shostack adam harvard budget drugs sexual favors waste members congress john perry barlow 
hezbollah organization aiken computation harvard university lines article colostate writes brads post deleted accept deal lebanese resistance hand stop attacks occupying israeli soldiers withdraw real leverage force israel withdraw young attack syrian troops blood soldiers israel interested peace withdraw land guarantee peace lebanese youth unable restrain violence unable realize actions prolong israels stay south lebanon lebanese army able maintain peace israel israel prefers soldiers children israel save israeli lives withdraw unilaterally called security zone conclusion peace talks move save israeli lives advance peace efforts give israel great moral lift israel public image abroad give edge peace negociations israel rightly claim genuinely interested peace offered important concessions israel withdraw lebanon peace treaty signed withdraw casualties lebanese people push israel kill soldiers happen withdrawal israel demand hizbollah disarmed lebanese government warn accept attacks northern cities shelling occurs taking buffer zone hold lebanese syrian government responsible israel demand holding buffer zone bargaining position holding neighbors land lebanon agree conditions israel left lebanese disarm hizbolah maintain peace adam adam shostack adam harvard budget drugs sexual favors waste members congress john perry barlow 
hezbollah nntp posting host orion organization university california irvine lines article colostate writes terrorist camp israelis view villages small communities kids playing soccer streets women preparing lunch playing cards young aged years members lebanese resistance inhabitants village secretive people suspect young supported financially iran time sneak arms ammunitions occupied zone booby traps israeli patrols time israeli soldier killed injured traps israel retalliates indiscriminately bombing villages choosing killing innocent civilians true method utilized guerilla terrorists groups conduct operations midst local populace forcing opposing state harm innocent civilians search order avoid deaths civilians abandon search people population cover blaim dragging innocent civilians harm suggesting guerillas population cover israel totally back easiest attacking innocent shield hope respects innocent lives israel insists called security zone protection northern israel price occupation blood soldiers damn israel insists sort demilitarized buffer zone years attacks territory arab states watched states surprizing israel decided stop actions israel interested peace withdraw land attacks israel neighboring arab states start hope happen occur arab states show prepared responsibility duty stop guerilla attacks israel soil prove provide guaratees israel accept word past attitude tolerance anti israel guerillas residence written newsgroup real solution result comprehensive peace settlement israel withdraws borders peace keeping troops stationed border insure side border shelled good lord brad world goves idea troops stop stationed country country leave time nasser limitation troops powers israel comfortable genuine commitment peace arab states concrete intellectual political exercises jargon guarantees parties worthless israel ruse realistic solution time israel realize concept buffer zone aimed protecting northern cities failed fact caused israeli deaths occasional shelling northern israel resulted aware communities people feeling fighting attack silently accept fate call israel sense suffering fewer casualties suggest apply palestinian arab islamic groups israel save israeli lives withdraw unilaterally called security zone conclusion peace talks move save israeli lives advance peace efforts give israel great moral lift israel public image abroad give edge peace negociations israel rightly claim genuinely interested peace offered important concessions withdrawal israel demand hizbollah disarmed lebanese government warn accept attacks northern cities shelling occurs taking buffer zone hold lebanese syrian government responsible israel perspective concessions realization hope side decides likewise words back back tangible items land control land requires sort action israel stay israel attacks arab state territories decades essentially putting stop invasion lebanon entire basis reality state israel express outrage attacks protest arab state involved state promptly entire matter secure knowledge held responsible acts committed private groups israel prepare round attacks israel return days idiotic suggest trust motivations present arab states incentive syrian lebanese goovernment hizbollah bomb israel proper circumstances present situation tells arab states pursue past antagonistic policies israel talk vague political factors tangible israel gave factors guarantee responsibility states assessment difference based assumptions states feel confortable basing existence sort thing lebanese government proven capable controlling disarming militias parts lebanon basil support active involvement syria lebanon able accomplish occurred syria leaves lebanon able retain control syria stays thay dangerous israel view entire matter serenely sided selectively naive 
hezbollah organization thinking machines corporation cambridge lines nntp posting host composer reply lance colostate message article lance colostate basil hamdan writes snip place death soldiers patrol occupied lebanese territory terrorism murder disingeneous compare death athletes munich terrorism mrder exercise aimed solely diverting issue truth agree death soldiers patrol terrorism lets continue snip imagine terrorist camp israelis view villages small communities kids playing soccer streets women preparing lunch playing cards argue villages terrorist camps close serving purpose function prior invasion young aged years members lebanese resistance inhabitants village secretive people suspect young supported financially iran time sneak arms ammunitions occupied zone booby traps israeli patrols time israeli soldier killed injured traps israel retalliates indiscriminately bombing villages choosing killing innocent civilians back announce bombed terrorist hideout year happened villages describe large number groups area backed organizations wide range purposes hizbollah amal larger retaliation mistakes made indiscriminate bombing produced major casualties israel retalliation policy cold hearted reality accept deal lebanese resistance hand stop attacks occupying israeli soldiers withdraw real leverage force israel withdraw disagree israel willingly withdraw lebanese able field reliable force area police prevent attacks realistic solution time israel realize concept buffer zone aimed protecting northern cities failed fact caused israeli deaths occasional shelling northern israel resulted clear agree death toll longer civilian primarily military incentive syrian lebanese goovernment hizbollah bomb israel proper circumstances lebanese government proven capable controlling disarming militias parts lebanon syrian happy israel sink lebanese morass elaborate agree case isareli soldiers killing qualified murder matter regretable situation shai guday stealth bombers software engineer thinking machines corp winged ninjas skies cambridge 
hezbollah organization boston university center adaptive systems lines reply amehdi honeywell message amehdi honeywell hossien amehdi article amehdi honeywell hossien amehdi writes arabs replying article assuming arab arab brain full shit bombardment civilian civilian areas lebanon israel consistent policy intimidation policy practiced called democracy middle east merley pointing side suffering arab lebanese defende homeland invader means syrians iranian agents israeli invaders gary bradski bradski reverberate cognitive neural systems boston university cummington boston agree opinions 
sickening armenians capable reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article halsall fordham paul halsall writes curious serdar spend time attacking greeks armenians happen historical opponents turkey soviet armenian government genocide million turkish women children enjoying fruits genocide blind problem arab greek bulgar serb russian tartar circassian persian kurd opponent kurds armenians ally historic circumstance toll serdar posting raving nationalist history excuse closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape tartars proceeded work extermination troops surrounded village village resistance offered artillery knocked huts heaps stone dust villages untenable inhabitants fled fields bullets bayonets completed work tartars escaped found refuge mountains succeeded crossing border turkey rest killed length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki plains ararat cold mountain plateau north dotted mute mournful ruins tartar villages quiet villages howling wolves jackals visit scattered bones dead ohanus appressian genocide deliberate organized massacre people attempt exterminate race worst crime history happened turks eastern anatolia armenian dictatorship million turks kurds killed worst ways imaginable sickening human race capable actions denying fact armenian genocide million muslims happened people turkiye deeply sympathize relatives killed turkish genocide understand anger deny turkish genocide place fact genocide million turks documented past decades reverse events past strive memory tragedy alive side atlantic prevent recurrence extermination people religion race source bristol papers general correspondence container bristol bradley letter september absolute hand information armenians caucasus attacked tartar turkish villages utterly defenseless bombarded villages artillery murder inhabitants pillage village burn village lets somethings straight armenians angels subject turkish genocide germans subject jewish genocide real halsall high asala sdpa forgeries fabrications wrote existent list scholars mine world ensuing years armenian dictatorship premeditated systematic genocide complete centuries policy annihilation turks kurds savagely murdering million muslims deporting rest year homeland attempt genocide justly regarded instance genocide century acted entire people event incontrovertibly proven historians government international political leaders ambassador mark bristol william langer ambassador layard james barton stanford shaw arthur chester john dewey robert dunn papazian nalbandian ohanus appressian jorge blanco villalta general nikolayef general bolkovitinof general prjevalski general odiselidze meguerditche kazimir motayef twerdokhlebof general hamelin rawlinson avetis aharonian stephan eshnanie varandian general bronsart arfa hamlin boghos nubar sarkis atamian katchaznouni rachel bortnick halide edip mccarthy allen paul muratoff hurewitz professor government emeritus director middle east institute columbia university bernard lewis cleveland dodge professor eastern history princeton university halil inalcik university professor ottoman history member american academy arts sciences university chicago peter golden professor history rutgers university newark stanford shaw professor history university california angeles thomas naff professor history director middle east research institute university pennsylvania ronald jennings associate professor history asian studies university illinois howard reed professor history university connecticut dankwart rustow distinguished university professor political science city university graduate school york john woods associate professor middle eastern history university chicago john masson smith professor history university california berkeley alan fisher professor history michigan state university avigdor levy professor history brandeis university andreas bodrogligetti professor history university california angeles kathleen burrill associate professor turkish studies columbia university roderic davison professor history george washington university walter denny professor history university massachusetts caesar farah professor history university minnesota goodrich professor history indiana university pennsylvania tibor halasi professor emeritus turkish studies columbia university justin mccarthy professor history university louisville mandaville professor history portland state university oregon robert olson professor history university kentucky madeline zilfi professor history university maryland james stewart robinson professor turkish studies university michigan list wait mark alan epstein ottoman jewish communities role fifteenth sixteenth centuries klaus schwarz werlag freiburg page page page page page page page page version rabbi sarfati tzarfati letter prof shaw page israel zinberg history jewish literature jewish center culture ottoman empire hebrew union college press ktav publishers york serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
armenian architect genocide million muslim people reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article verbit harvard mikhail verbitsky writes personal problem romanian culture aware anecdote armenians troglodytism necessarily imply cultural level image conscious armenians sorely feel missing glory background armenians achieved statehood independence subservient engaged undermining schemes rulers committed genocide muslim populations eastern anatolia armenian dictatorship world fully participated extermination european jewry world belligerence genocide back stabbing rebelliousness disloyalty hallmarks armenian history obliterate episodes armenians engaged tailoring history suit whims zeal cover cold blooded genocide million turks kurds world pull nations source walker christopher armenia survival nation york martin press generally armenian work information direct relevance nazi holocaust butcher dictator armenian dictatorship architect genocide million turks kurds respected nazi armenian leaders established armenian provisional republic berlin world provisional government fully endorsed espoused social theories nazis declared armenians members aryan super race published anti semitic racist journal aligning nazis efforts exterminate jews mobilized armenian army members fought side side wehrmacht serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
museum barbarism reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article saum buffalo varnavas lambrou writes cyprus majority population christian fellow turkish friends good cleaning area christians article reflects abundant ignorance people turkiye greece greek cypriots abandon idea hellenizing cyprus remain eternally hopeful uniting greece someday cost parties involved history speaks greece sole perpetrator invasion island troops july attempt topple legitimate government archibishop makarios greek cypriot attempt annex island greece greek army turkiye intervened legal international agreements turkiye frequently conveniently forgotten people island turkish cypriots turkish cypriots grandparents living island release nikos sampson member eoka national organization cypriot fighters convicted terrorist shows enosis mentality continues survive greece forget sampson dedicated life annihilating turks cyprus committed murder achieve goal destroy island independence annexing greece greek governments bear consequences irresponsible conduct museum barbarism irfan street kumsal area nicosia cyprus house nihat ilhan major serving cyprus turkish army contingent attacks launched turks greeks december nihat ilhan wife children ruthlessly brutally killed bathroom hide savage greeks nihat ilhan happened duty night december pictures reflecting greek atrocities committed exhibited house converted museum witness account turkish family butchered greek terrorists date december onslaught greeks turks started days ferocity defenseless women children brutally killed greeks kumsal area nicosia witnesses worst greeks savage bloodshed wife infant children nihat ilhan major duty camp cyprus turkish army contingent mercilessly dastardly shot dead hiding bathroom house maddened greeks broke home glaring greek barbarism listen relating incident told hasan yusuf gudum witness wounded terrible event night december wife feride hasan paying visit family major nihat ilhan neighbours ayshe mora daughter ishin ayshe sister novber sitting supper sudden bullets pedieos river direction started riddle house sounding heavy rain thinking dining room sitting dangerous bathroom toilet thought safer altogether persons bathroom wife refuge toilet waited fear ilhan wife major doctor standing bath children murat kutsi hakan arms suddenly great noise heard front door open greeks combing corner house machine bullets moments heard voices greek taksim bullets started flying bathroom ilhan children fell bath shot moment greeks broke bathroom emptied guns heard major children moan fainted hours ilhan children lying dead bath rest neighbours bathroom wounded happened wife remembered immediately toilet doorway body brutally murdered street admist sound shots heard voices crying save terrified thought greeks found dead kill bedroom double passed distance hear shots mouth drank water sweets pocket back bathroom left hour offered sweets ayshe daughter novber wounded waited bathroom clock morning thought morning wounded needed hospital finally walk novber street hoping find walked koshklu chiftlik people hospital operated regained consciousness wounded house brought ayshe daughter staying days hospital plane ankara treatment months treatment return cyprus greeks arrested airport related told greeks detention released foot cyprus devastated turkish quarter tonight sealed turkish quarter nicosia people slaughtered days western reporters terrible sights kumsal quarter irfan sokagi made house floors covered broken glass child bicycle corner bathroom group waxworks children piled murdered mother room glimpsed body woman shot head told home turkish army major family killed violence today days rene maccoll daniel mcgeachie daily express bathroom bodies mother infant children murdered father turkish officer clos figaro january peter moorhead reporting village skyloura cyprus date january giarno italy turk hunting exterminate discussions start london cyprus terror continues witnessing exodus turks villages thousands people abandoning homes land herds greek cypriot terrorism relentless time rhetoric hellenes bust plato suffice cover barbaric ferocious behaviors article giorgo bocca correspondent giorno date january daily herald london appalling sight turkish homes appalling sight walls exist doubt napalm bomb attack created devastation counted blackened brick concrete shells homes house deliberately fired petrol tile roofs caved found twisted mass springs children conts cribs ankle deep grey ashes chairs tables wardrobes neighbouring village ayios vassilios mile counted wrecked burned homes turkish cypriot homes village turkish cypriots vanished village find scrap damage greek cypriot house daily telegraph london graves shot turkish cypriots found cyprus village silent crowds gathered tonight crescent hospital turkish sector nicosia bodies turkish cypriots found crudely buried village ayios vassilios miles brought hospital escort parachute regiment bodies including woman discovered nearby removed turkish cypriots guarded paratroops locate bodies believed buried site serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
historical traditional armenian barbarism fascism reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines source leonard ramsden hartill bobbs merrill company indianapolis pages memoirs armenian officer participated genocide million muslim people paragraph asleep night awakened persistent crying child arose investigate full moon enabled make revealed wreck litter tragedy enacted guided child crying entered yard house judged appearance home turkish family corner yard found women dead throat lying breast small child year serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
muslims cruelly bayonetted death armenians reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article lasner columbia charles lasner writes dare presume newsgroup desire convince external position news exceptions islamic holocaust topic historical evidence proves period armenian government ordered incited assisted participated genocide million muslim people race religion national origin armenians perpetrated acts sabotage destroyed telephone cables blew bridges blocked passes ambushes attacked security stations small turkish outposts ottoman army lines hand ruthlessly attacked turkish kurdish villages slaughtering turkish population indiscriminately women children young alike innocent muslims cruelly bayonetted death massacred axes swords shut mosques schools burnt alive widespread armenian massacres innocent muslims place regions kars sivas erzurum bitlis erzincan diyarbakir maras ottoman army fighting prevent russian invasion deal armenian genocide squads cowardly armenian genocide muslims spread parts eastern anatolia starting late armenians committed widespread massacres genocide eastern anatolia arena left armenians turkish town village erzincan azerbaidjan suffered large scale massacres genocide armenians turkish genocide documented armenian russian american british ottoman german austrian french journalists officers observed genocide century committed blood thirsty armenian genocide squads ottoman army liberating trabzon bayburt erzincan erzurum kars regions russians cities villages destroyed burnt people slaughtered massacred massacres conducted armenians black stain humanity shocked disgusted russian british german austrian french american authorities ottoman document related armenian massacres cruelties inhuman treatment cruelties atrocities genocide armenian genocide squads perpetrated innocent moslem turkish kurdish people sufficiently reflected historical documents today seventy years terrifying screams victims cruelties heard source documents volume document archive cabin drawer file section contents colonel seyfi general headquarters section istanbul stephan eshnanie neues wiener tagblatt vienna pester lloyd local anzliger berlin algemeen handelsblat amsterdam vakit istanbul closely weeks withdrawal russians armenians turkish territories armenia months elapsed clearing territories armenian gangs observing evidence cruelties armenians step villages trabzon erzincan erzincan erzurum destroyed corpses turks brutally cruelly slain accounts able save lives escaping mountains horrible fearful events begun russian forces evacuated places armenian gangs russians treated people people feared intervention armenians places armenians massacres begun announced intention clearing called armenian kurdish land turks solve nationality problem today opportunity meet austrian german soldiers escaped russian prison camps kars alexander paul gumru leninakan russian officers save turks clashes russian officers armenian gangs erzurum terrible city destroyed smell corpses fills speculations armenian gangs murdered austrian german prisoners supporting evidence regard proof murdering turkish prisoners stephan eshnanie serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
turkish government agents usenet teeth reply sdpa message organization york student information systems project lines davidian babble turkish government feels funnel heightened state ultra nationalism existing turkey today usenet convince people revisionist myopic incidental view place world turkish government usenet long repeating utterly idiotic increasingly saddening drivel life people shore depths armenian proverb 
turkey admits sending arms azerbaijan turkish pilot caught summary neutral turkey organization center regional studies lines turkey sends light weapons azerbaijan seva ulman ankara turkey turkey arming azerbaijan light weapons fight armenian forces struggle nagorno karabakh enclave newspaper hurriyet thursday deputy prime minister erdal inonu told reporters ankara turkey responding positively request azerbaijan assistance giving positive response requests azerbaijan limits capabilities foreign ministry spokesman vural valkan declined elaborate nature azerbaijan framework council security cooperation europe hurriyet published istanbul turkey sending light weapons azerbaijan including rockets rocket launchers ammunition ankara began sending hardware visit turkey week high ranking azerbaijani official turkey ruled time week intervene militarily azerbaijan wednesday inonu told reporters ankara azerbaijan suffer defeat hands armenians feel bound azerbaijan position form future turkish azerbaijan continuing world prime minister suleyman demirel reiterated turkey militarily involved conflict foreign policy decisions based street level excitement reaction ankara regional reports based armenian sources yerevan turkish pilots officers captured shot flying azerbaijani warplanes helicopters newspaper cumhuriyet turkish troops digging border armenia military sources denied reports based claims local people gunfire heard border military action occurred sources latest upsurge fighting armenians azerbaijanis flared early month armenian forces seized town kelbajar positioned fizuli iranian border david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
public service translation summary call action keywords effective greek armenian postings organization center regional studies lines subject netteki butun vatanseverlere duyuru article carleton suat kiniklioglu kubilay kultigin continues butun netteki arkadaslara duyuru siyasi platformun hangi tarafinda olursaniz olun bugunlerde nette olsun talk politics mideast talk politics soviet olsun olagan fazla etkin ermeni yunan postingleri yazilmaktadir yazilarin cogu guncel karabag kibris bosna konularinda yogunlasmaktadir buradan hareketle hepimizin biraz daha aktif olmasi usenmeyip cevap yazmasi oldukca faydali olacaktir evet herkesin gucu akademik yilin yogun donemi fakat meydani birakmamanin ulkemizin cikarlarini ideolojik platformda gozetmenin sorumlulugu yarinlarin cagdas guclu turkiyesi beraber kurmak umuduyla saygilar kubilay kultigin vatan sevgisi ruhlari kirden kurtaran kuvvetli ruzgardir translation public service subject announcement patriots annoncement friends stand political spectrum recent days armenian greek postings usual number effectiveness written talk politics mideast talk politics soviet writings concentrate subjects karabagh cyprus bosnia fact active feel reluctant respond occupation busy period academic year responsibilty leave forum empty watch interests country ideological level hope building modern powerful turkey tomorrow kubilay kultigin love fatherland strongest winds cleansing filth souls david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
conventional proposales israel palestinians nntp posting host orion organization university california irvine lines article tclock clock writes latest israeli proposal proposed february assumptions nature interim status refering gaza palestinians implemented negotiations states israel remain existing source authority final status agreed israel negiotiate delegation power organs interim government arrangements isga isga apply palestinian inhabitants territories israeli military administration arrangements territorial application apply israeli population territories palestinian inhabitants jerusalem residual powers delegated isga reserved israel israelis continue live settle territoriesd israel responsibility security aspects external internal maintenance public order organs isga administrative functional nature exercise powers isga subject cooperation coordination israel israel negotiate delegation powers responsibilities areas administration justice personnel agriculture education business tourism labor social welfare local police local transportation communications municipal affairs religious affairs palestinian counterproposal march establishment palestinian interim governing authority pisga authority vested palestinian people pisga powers delegated israel interim phase israeli military government civil adminis tration abolished pisga asume powers previous enjoyed israel limitations pisga powers responsibilities derive character interim arrangement time pisga inaugurated israeli armed forces completed withdrawal agreed points borders occupied palestinian territory includes jerusalem jurisdiction pisga extend including land water space pisga legislative powers enact amend abrogate laws wield executive power withput foreign control determine nature cooperation state international body empowered conclude binding coopera tive agreements free control israel pisga administer justice sole exclusive jruisdiction strong police force responsible security public order request assistance peacekeeping force disputes israel governing arrangements settled committee composed representatives permanent members security council secretary general pisga jordan egypt syria israel bargaining attitude visions interim stage wrong reasons present palestinian israeli leadership moderate exist years present opportunity significant period negotiations designed attempting resolve conflict attention issues dealing desired final status potentially destructive proposals side altered temper maximalist approaches stated israeli worries desire interim control addressed providing real interim palestinian governing entity april response moore lmsc lockheed basically problem israel remain leave occupied territories israe continues propose remain palestinians propose leave change view worth pointing area compromise accomodating views require reduction israeli presence israel proposes reduction fact negotiating perceptions addressed israel trust arab groups support israel giving tangible assets exchange pieces paper expectations hopes arab world palestinians demand tangible concessions made israel receiving tangible back stances israel receiving tangible returns expected concessions tangible meant israel comparable protection land give ensures arab states palestine accountable held actively diplomatically responsible upholding actions territory citizens visitors essence israel objections palestinian statehood strong israel assured palestinian state committed existing israel held responsible attacks israel territory slanted proposals guarantees instilled guarantees controls added palestinian pisga proposals israel hanging largely scared stiff minute lets lands back arab states buffer zone full autonomy palestinians arab parties controlled easily return traditional anti israel position question ensure happen 
water brain israeli expansion lust originator hasan mcrcim mcgill nntp posting host lightning mcrcim mcgill organization mcgill research centre intelligent machines lines article astein alan stein writes guess hasan finally revealed source claim israel diverted water lebanon imagination alan stein astein nysernet water head israel diverted lebanese rivers fact israel southern lebanon make water lebanese side water jordan river israel head hasan 
hezbollah distribution world organization hebrew university jerusalem lines article hernlem ncsu brad hernlem writes lebanese resistance forces detonated bomb israeli occupation patrol lebanese territory days soldiers killed wounded retaliation israeli israeli backed forces wounded civilians bombarding lebanese villages ironically israeli government justifies occupation lebanon claiming prevent bombardments israeli villages congratulations brave lebanese resistance israeli place grave underlining moral bankruptcy israel occupation drawing attention israeli government policy reckless disregard civilian life brad hernlem hernlem ncsu federal bureau investigation internet love reading incitement murder josh backon huji 
clinton views jerusalem organization bellcore livingston lines recently read bill clinton campaign stated elected immediately recognize jerusalem israel capital article clinton reaffirmed winning presidency recent talks president mubarak secretary state christopher stated status jerusalem final matter discussion parties start discussion status jerusalem authenticate clinton statements dates places 
news briefs originator sehari iastate organization corp japan lines kayhan havai namaki deputy minister health stated infant mortality year iran thousand revolution thousand month namaki stated revolution children received vaccinations protect deseases figure reached malekzadeh minister health mentioned population growth rate iran visit mahathir mohammad prime minister malaysia iran agreements cooperation areas industry trade education tourism signed agreement iran charge building malaysia natural network farzin mokhtarian 
turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece armenia azeris nntp posting host herky uiowa organization university iowa iowa city lines article osinski eece marek osinski long consequent greeks requesting thessaloniki called solun bulgarian netters napoleon write konstantinople istanbul marek osinski thessaloniki called thessaloniki inhabitants years city called solun inhabitants instabul called konstantinoupolis years people alive today born city called konstantinoupolis people born city called solun napoleon 
yigal arens dangerous humanity organization university illinois urbana lines anwar anwar mohammed writes article ehrlich bitnet gideon ehrlich writes readers forum interested contents files nice yigal american authorities yigal arens dangerous authorities view people dangerous including millions americans arab ancestry answer question maintained files spied members california friendly rivalry arabs sympathetic palestinian israel monitors arab organizations reason monitored communist organizations soviet nationals years yigal greenpeace member naacp reporter member dozens political organizations ethnic minorities occupations spied groups past part anti israel activity propoganda simply monitoring caught surprise interest person paranoia world trade center bombings happen israel fact world trade center people zein palestinian american group planned israeli embassy kill jews caught mordechai levy paranoid jews live longer trust government additional information send names half posters forum gideon ehrlich anwar 
hezbollah organization bellcore livingston summary untried approach lines article hernlem ncsu brad hernlem writes article stssdxb unocal dorin baru writes brad hernlem writes noted cheering attack israeli patrol inside lebanese territory condemning retaliatory shelling lebanese villages israeli israeli backed forces team playing fair opposing team rearranging faces spectators team viewing stands speak find sources news lebanon propaganda priori black white hats wonders bombard villages retaliation point attacks soldiers lebanon call lebanese terrorists attack justified debatable issue issue cheering death dorin dorin criticism post expressed accept regret aspect post hope occupation accompanying loss life stiff resistance achieve point losses unacceptable strategy drove troops lebanon brad hernlem hernlem ncsu brad comments hope occupation belive stiff resistance untried approach peace cooperation happen violence israelis stopped violence arabs stop time state violence maintained state cooperation achieved greater economic opportunities peoples living territories current leadership israel work leadership ariel sharon mentality predict considerable loss life winners comment troops responding stiff resistance analogy valid troops neighborhood altogether israelis worth offense intended respectfully 
unconventional peace proposal nntp posting host pelvoux organization imag university grenoble france lines article center policy research writes center policy research subject unconventional peace proposal unconventional proposal peace middle east elias davidsson fund established disburse grants child born couple partner israeli palestinian arab entitled grant couple prove partners possesses entitled israeli citizenship return partner born areas current isreali control entitled citizenship return child grant amount child child subsequent child grant amount child thankful critical comments proposal dissemination proposal meaningful discussion enrichment elias davidsson post reykjavik iceland fashioned heard called love play role people considerations married people married fictitiously order green card making common child power limited proposal unconventional oded maler imag grenoble france phone mail maler 
news missed organization university illinois urbana lines insist reposting entire original post waste bandwidth picky jews 
lezgians astir azerbaijan daghestan summary fight armenians karabakh unification organization center regional studies lines lezghis astir nejla sammakia press writer gussar azerbaijan lezghis azerbaijan russia begun clamoring state threatening turmoil tranquil corner caucasus region escaped ethnic warfare neighboring nagorno karabakh abkhazia ossetia lezhgis minority soviet union fight independence lezghis muslim descendents nomadic shepherds angry conscription young fight azerbaijan year undeclared armenia unite lezghi regions azerbaijan russia effectively breakup soviet union created national borders lines rally lezghis march protest conscription demand separate lezghistan alarmed azerbaijani government officials baku capital deny rumors police shot demonstrators death government announced strict security measures began cooperating russian authorities control movement lezhgis living border dagestan region russia visitors gussar center lezhgi life found town quiet protest children played outdoors crisp mountain sunday bazaar heavy coats dark hats gathered discuss grievances ranging high customs duties russian border drafted shamil kadimov gold teeth glinting fight azerbaijanis armenia people died centers disputed territory nagorno karabakh miles southeast malik kerimov official mayor office locals drafted served police force people afraid uprising backed lezghis dagestan agreed police fired demonstrators disagreed protest occurred spontaneously rumors spread azerbaijan draft gussar region lezghis live rally ordered muhieddin kahramanov leader lezhgi underground separatist movement sadval based dagestan organized demonstration families distraught draft orders kerim babayev mathematics teacher belongs sadval hope reunite peacefully approaching azerbaijanis russians early century lezhgis formed khanates sovereignties azerbaijan dagestan roamed freely sheep green hills mountains khanates lezghi areas joined czarist russia soviet rule disintegration soviet union lezghis faced time strict borders half remained dagestan half newly independent azerbaijan customs cars wine complained mais talibov small trader goods laid ground bazaar included brandy stomach medication plastic shoes dagestan country able move easily baku listen physically hard outsiders distinguish lezhgis azerbaijanis villages live side side working jobs intermarrying degree lezhgis distinctive language mixture arabic turkish persian strong guttural vowels azerbaijan officially supports cultural preservation largest ethnic minorities lezghis weekly newspapers elementary school classes language autonomy question lezghis succeeded separating azerbaijan precedent minorities talish south tats nearby mountains avars eastern azerbaijan david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece armenia azeris organization university mexico albuquerque lines distribution world nntp posting host chtm eece article uiowa napoleon writes compromise invasion cyprus involment turkey greek politics refusal turkey accept miles territorial waters stated international properties greeks konstantinople ownership islands greek lake aegean long consequent greeks requesting thessaloniki called solun bulgarian netters napoleon write konstantinople istanbul marek osinski 
news missed organization mcsnet contributor chicago lines nntp posting host localhost article bellcore feigenbaum benjamin writes article jack schmidling writes news missed busy israelists media spiked intrepid israeli soldiers israeli soldiers sexually taunted arab women occupied gaza strip week long closure sealed palestinians jewish state palestinian sources sunday incidents occurred town khan younis involved soldiers golani brigade centre house house raids palestinian activists closure imposed strip occupied west bank revolted drop israel friend email compuserve clintonpz america online clinton mail tired learning american foreign policy effectively israeli controlled media highly recommend checking washington report free sample copy calling american education trust advice ordered copy washinton report heartily recommend israel types reasons excellent absorber excrement line bottom parakeet cage negative side effect bird warped view mideast makes great april fool joke give middle east april fools chutzpa reacts worth reading objective types wrapped hate time edit long posting extra milege reposting 
questions israel lines uucp center policy research subject questions israel questions israelis thankful live israel provide accurate answers specific questions provocative questions asked time people true israeli authorities recognize israeli nationality cards israeli citizens carry times identify people jews arabs israelis true state israel fixed borders israeli governments today refused state ultimate borders state israel true israeli stocks nuclear weapons provide evidence true israeli prisons number individuals secret identities date trial imprisonment state secrets true jews reside occupied territories subject laws jews true jews left palestine avoid automatically allowed return christian neighbors allowed return true israel prime minister rabin signed order ethnical cleansing today bosnia herzegovina true israeli arab citizens admitted members kibbutzim true israeli attempts discourage marriages jews jews true hotel hilton aviv built site muslim cemetery elias davidsson iceland email elias 
hamas death organization department redundancy department lines article alaa alaa zeineldine writes tclock clock writes brought separate question israel unjustified policies practices unclear reaction practices polocies reflected article separate question clock deceiving judge resistance movement context occupation alaa zeineldine moved lebanon parts lebanon occupying power practices common palestinean palestinean alike simply standard operating procedures palestineans long time fact greatest bloodbath palestineans happen rule possibly deny occupier blame jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
nazi eugenic theories circulated unconventional peace organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host cwru promotes dissolution jews intermarriage process bunch fundamentalist jews object clown called buying dissolution jewish people idiot suggest objects imibicilic notion fundamentalist simply insult orthodox word fundamentalist orthodox fundamentalist desire genuine peace region pinhead davidsson understand shows willingness dismiss entire culture proves thing brain boggling stupidity willingness display stupidity newsgroup hatred essence judaism shove remember pull head 
armenia shoot turkish planes organization lines article terziogl rochester esin terzioglu writes article henrik writes article terziogl rochester esin terzioglu writes article sdpa david davidian writes armenia shoot turkish planes ermenistan kasiniyor translate public traslation service armenia itchy esin henrik clearify turkish henrik armenia itchy simply letting world henrik longer quiet turks henrik famous tricks armenians remember turkish henrik invasion greek island cypress world simply watched esin terzioglu ignorance obvious posting esin terzioglu cyprus independent country turkish greek inhabitants greek island ignorant posting claims esin terzioglu cyprus english esin terzioglu time read learn post spelling turks admit past mistakes turkish invasion cyprus mistake mistake greeks invade cyprus response shooting turkish airplane armenian space ignorant posting person country turks azeris consistantly drag armenia karabakh conflict azerbaijan karabakhi armenians lived homeland years armenia azeris stalin directly involved conflict defending azeri aggression agression mercy inocent people costantly shelled othe russian aircraft hope insists turkey stay karabakh crisis repeat cyprus invasion occur 
nazi eugenic theories circulated unconventional peace nntp posting host orion organization university california irvine lines article freenet mark kaufman writes promotes dissolution jews intermarriage process bunch fundamentalist jews object simply insult orthodox word fundamentalist irritating labels fundamentalists sort thing understand muslims resent label 
xsoviet armenia denies historical fact turkish genocide reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article tclock clock writes hope unspeakable crimes armenians righted armenian invaders burned sacked fatherland justifiable wrongs previous years german reparations jewish survivors holocaust event past reparations realistic convinced warped sense world grandparents cold bloodedly exterminated armenians participate turkish genocide millions turkish kurdish people april united states canada occasion reiterate unquestioned justice restitution turkish kurdish rights demand soviet armenian government admit responsibility turkish kurdish genocide render reparations muslim people return land rightful owners recognition genocide issue delayed imperative artificial obstacles created political manipulations removed time demand united states formally recognizes turkish kurdish genocide adopts principles demands refuses accede armenian pressures contrary taxpayers united states express vehement protest present government policy continued coddling protection unqualified assistance soviet armenia demand united states return policies advocated ambassador bristol enlightened statesmen undertaken human benevolent attitude rights muslim people resolution case territorial demands strictly aimed soviet armenia article blatantly lied goltz article published sunday times magazine march guardian sunday section anxiously awaiting commander pulls troops karabagh elif kaban reuter correspondent agdam reported battle wednesday azeris burying scores people died armenians overran town khojaly biggest azeri settlement area world turning back happening dying watching mourner shouted group journalists helen womack independent armenian soldiers massacre hundreds fleeing families attackers killed soldiers volunteers defending women children turned guns terrified refugees survivors happened real slaughter began azer hajiev soldiers survive armenians shot shot started carving people bayonets knives year shot back walking brush opened people falling wife fell child thomas goltz sunday times armenian raid leaves azeris dead fleeing khojaly people killed tuesdays attack azerbaijani television showed truckloads corpses evacuated khocaly area brian killen reuters washington times atrocity reports horrify azerbaijan azeri officials returned town miles brought back dead children backs heads blown women children scalped assad faradzev aide karabagh azeri governor azeri television showed pictures truckload bodies brought azeri town agdam faces apparently scratched knives eyes gouged brian killen reuters washington times massacre armenians reported republic armenia reiterated denials militants killed azeris dozens bodies scattered area lent credence azerbaijani reports massacre reuters york times killings rife nagorno karabagh moldova journalists area reported dozens corpses including civilians azerbaijani officials armenians began shooting sought recover bodies fred hiatt washington post bodies mark site karabagh massacre local truce enforced azerbaijanis collect dead refugees hiding hills forest bodies ordinary people dressed poor ugly clorhing workers policeman apparent national volunteers wearing uniform rest civilians including women small children groups apparently families fallen children cradled women arms including small terrible head injuries face left survivors told armenians shooting point blank ground anatol lieven times london karabagh survivors flee mountains geyush gassanov deputy mayor khocaly armenian troops surrounded town tuesday accompanied light tanks armoured carriers thought bombard village past retreat attacked defence force tanks survivors fired repeatedly mountains safety days crawled avoid gunfire sukru aslanov daughter killed battle khodjaly brother died road anatol lieven times london corpses litter hills karabagh swooped snow covered hills nagorno karabagh scattered corpses apparently refugees shot suddenly thump azerbaijani helicopter fired armenian anti aircraft post anatol lieven times london police western azerbaijan recovered bodies azerbaijanis killed fled armenian assault disputed enclave nagorno karabagh blocked recovering bodies wall street journal exiting troops attacked nagorno karabagh withdrawal halted armenians blamed video footage reports khocaly paint grim picture widespread civilian deaths mutilation woman feet appeared bound paul quinn judge boston globe serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
thousands armenians serving german army waffen reply sera uucp serdar argic lines article kmagnacca wesleyan writes fact nazi armenians europe established vast network german collaborators extended continents calling kettle black mind turkish government strong supporter nazi germany played vital role supplying allies invaded iran complaining armenian complicity nazis good turkey played bigger role kmagnacca high arromdian asala sdpa wrote humane behavior tolerance turks legend years accepted tens thousands jews spain fleeing spanish inquisition jewish families escaping nazi armenians hitler nazi germany refugee turkiye turkish people unselfishly home protection freedom jews centuries including thousands thousands world life turkish coffee history jews islamic countries chapters parts jarusalem zalman shazar center jewish history baron salo social religious history jews york columbia university press vols xvii benardete mair jose hispanic culture character sephardic jews york sepher hermon press corrected edition original publication lewis bernard christians jews ottoman empire york holmes meier central lands turquie archives grand orient france loges jean louis bacque graumont paul dumont economie societes dans empire ottoman paris centre national reserche scientifique inalcik halil turkish jewish relations ottoman empire sevilla sharon moshe turkiye yahudileri tarihsel bakis jerusalem hebrew university source john dewey republic happy minority jews christian nation protect recalls jews abode fanatic turkey expelled europe spain saintly christians lived centuries tranquility liberty fellow turkish subjects exposed alike rapacity common rulers brought americans gladstonian foreign missionary tradition condition jews turkey mathematical demonstration religious differences influence tragedy turkey combined aspirations political separation nation world treated treasonable readily reaches conclusion jews turkey fortunate stated armenians traitorously turned turkish cities russian invader boasted raised army hundred fifty thousand fight civil burned hundred turkish villages exterminated population turkey holocaust interview stanford shaw history recently completed books jews ottoman empire turkish republic turkey holocaust turkey role rescuing turkish european jewry nazi persecution shaw chairs undergraduate interdepartmental degree program eastern studies organized program study ottoman turkish jewry affiliated grunebaum center eastern studies editor write books turkey european turkish jews shaw basically ottoman historian jewish spent twenty years studying ottoman history time found materials ottoman jews collected couple years suddenly realized anniversary jews expelled spain coming turkey sephardic temple wilshire avenue invited give series lectures ottoman jewry lectures greatly appreciated motivated undertake research develop book jews ottoman empire turkish republic book works jewish historians tend jews country viewpoint jews jewish community rely jewish sources view subject ottoman historian approach jews ottoman empire largely point view ottoman society largely ottoman sources finished book press additional documents relating turkish jews world completed book turkey good deal rescue jews world details found batch documents foreign ministry archive relating actions turkish diplomats jews holocaust late information book press decided write book conducted research archives foreign ministry ankara turkish embassy consulate paris result book turkey holocaust details turkey helped rescue jews nazis story takes place number years book presents material parts deals period holocaust nazis power germany immediately started dismissing jews anti nazi germans universities hospitals scientific institutes turkey moment beginning process reforming universities jews fired positions germany good source talent modernize turkish universities months nazis started dismissing jews turkey arranged brought turkey appointments professors turkish universities heads scientific institutes medical personnel hospitals major jewish professors turkey ernst reuter german political scientist spent years teaching political science turkey world mayor berlin berlin airlift fritz neimark major german jewish economist turkey helped establish modern school economics istanbul named reichenbach rescued nazis turkey spent years turkey eventually ucla professor philosophy german jewish emigres engaged cultural activities turkey karl ebert leading theatrical producer berlin expelled nazis turkey organized turkish national theater turkish national opera company ankara paul hindemuth section book covers phase jews persecuted germany rescued turkey oddly german emigres turkey badly germany regarded germans jews join anti nazi activities local turkish jewish community found letters nazi representatives turkey praising german jewish refugees work promoting idea german culture people persecuted nazis rescued turks shared nazis feelings aryan racial superiority turks part book deals holocaust began nazis occupied france europe time france turkish jews migrated europe reasons turn century onward settled europe turkish independence world greece threatening overrun turkey greeks persecuted jews nineteenth century jews feared happen greeks turkey jews fled france abandoned turkish citizenship french citizens suddenly nazis invaded france started introducing sorts anti jewish laws turkish jews found worth french worth turkish turkey remained neutral world retained embassies consulates nazi occupied countries finally entered side allies turkey position defend citizens anti jewish measures actions turkish diplomats form chapter book turkish diplomats stationed france intervened protect jews turkish citizenship nazis turkish jews retained turkish citizenship generally problem arrested concentration camp turkish diplomats communicate commanders camp officials effect people turkish citizens turkish jews released businesses confiscated turkish diplomats protest businesses restored nazis general wanted friendship turkey hoped able turkey gateway invasion middle east wanted obtain chromium manganese turkey order turkish friendship accepted interventions behalf turkish jews turkish diplomats concentration camps secure release turkish jews times boarded trains hauling turkish jews auschwitz extermination succeeded train foreign jews concentration camp place called drancy paris intercession turkish consuls place greater problem turkish jews abandoned turkish citizenship french citizens consuls declare people turkish citizens book includes photographs jews lining front turkish consulate passports return turkey restoration turkish citizenship bureaucratic matter processing application time meantime real emergency nazis arrest jews streets nazis arrest radios telephones apartments radios telephones forbidden jews care turkish jews turkish diplomats invented document called gayri muntazem vatandash irregular fellow citizen document effect person turkish citizen applied restoration turkish citizenship meantime treat turkish citizen diplomats wrote document turkish seals nazis read turkish accepted papers certificates citizenship means turkish diplomats able rescue jews relinquished turkish citizenship nazis minds turkish defense jews hand nazi foreign ministry wanted retain friendship turkey favor accepting interventions hand himmler eichmann wanted jews exterminated times himmler eichmann able prevail turkish jews auschwitz turkish consuls statistics turkish jews rescued turkish jews europe world living france information section book relates situation france published letters turkish consuls nazi officials letters back reply generally nazis turkish consul present documents certifying arrested individuals turkish citizens promise send france nazis release concentration camp turkish consuls organized special trains turkish jews nazi occupied territory back turkey trains regularly nazis gave turkish jews visas pass nazi territory trains held nazi influenced governments eastern europe croatia serbia bulgaria governments jews escape result turkish consuls efforts turkish jews france saved auschwitz died remaining escaped border spain fled area southern france occupied italians treated jews nazis italy fell jews incidentally turkish diplomats nazi occupied greece worked rescue jews country part book deals turkish diplomats acting rescue jews turkish citizenship turkish origin nazi persecution interventions behalf turkish jews turks cited treaty germany stated turkish citizens german territory treated german citizens turkey basis turks maintained nazis discriminate turkish citizens jews nazis claimed vichy government agreed discriminating treating jews equally turkey protested dividing citizens religion turkish constitution requires citizens treated equally religion single turkish jews american consuls paris contrast accepted nazi argument told american jews persecuted nazis american jews treated jews part book takes place turkey principal center holocaust activities aimed rescue eastern european jews kwish agency organization established jews palestine resettle jews palestine office istanbul leadership chaim barlas jewish organizations palestine kibbutzes representatives istanbul headquarters groups contact jews eastern europe find happening today holocaust time people imagine nazis things step information turkish government turkish mails send letters relatives friends eastern europe jewish organizations found happening received replies nazis began intercept letters jews received assistance vatican nuncio angelo roncali served vatican representative istanbul pope john xxii vatican representative facilities catholic church supplement turkish government assist jewish agencies contacting jews eastern europe cooperation turkish government agencies hard currency food clothing railroad steamship tickets jews czechoslovakia bulgaria romania hungary able poland nazis wiped polish jews rescue agencies arranged jews eastern europe train called orient express route istanbul boat black istanbul turkey eager refugees remain borders blockaded suffering terrible shortages food clothing government facilitated movement turkish jewish refugees turkey palestine taurus express railroad mountains syria palestine small boats eastern mediterranean southern turkey palestine efforts bitterly opposed nazis british jewish immigration palestine feared hurt relations arabs british constantly pressured turkish government stop traffic send jews back cases turkish government yielding british pressure send boats back incident steamship struma jewish refugees romania back turkish government result intervention british ambassador ship sunk soviet submarine lost person told turkish government allowed fewer eastern european jews pass turkish territory move palestine world turkish authorities provided refugees facilities money gave permission send money food country jews passed turkey living israel children return moment group turkish jews europe palestine stayed turkey turkish eastern european jews passed turkey route palestine story interesting rescued obscurity studies made holocaust focus eastern european middle eastern jews scholarship centered western european jews million massacred nazis study deals smaller number people round picture hope book persuade scholars undertake investigations history eastern jews numbers german jews small number millions slain polish jews rescue eastern european jews significant compared total million murdered meant saved fourths book consists documents translations documents included story people west unaware courageous actions turkish diplomats people turkey story felt fully understand remarkable achievement documents languages documents turkish french hebrew great deal material hebrew organization boats palestine passengers details extensively describe turkey documents turkish french documents english jewish groups istanbul necessarily cooperate rescue jews fact fought turns turkish government deport rival groups kibbutz groups felt jewish agency western european jews interested helping western european jews finally president roosevelt personal representative hirschman executive bloomingdale department store york city hirschman managed reconcile differences documents related mission english obtained documents serge klarsfeld holocaust historian france worked french jews father killed nazis gave materials gathered german archives turkish jews personally consult german archives learned german archives hope someday make effort book fits teaching giving history jews ottoman empire gave years addition research writing teaching actively involved commemoration anniversary coming jews ottoman empire things helped organize large international conference subject held istanbul books finished conference place plan working books history turkish independence place world years turks warded efforts victorious european powers occupy turkey independence book study sultan abdul hamid major sultan ruled important modernizer suppressed sorts political movements stanford shaw received history british history shifted eastern history earning princeton doctoral candidate princeton spent years abroad studying school oriental african studies university london university cairo american university cairo university istanbul taught harvard coming ucla postdoctoral research supported john simon guggenheim foundation american research institute turkey social science research council national endowment humanities fulbright program isop received honorary degrees harvard university bosporus university bebek istanbul turkey medals honor lifetime contributions fields islamic turkish studies center research islamic history culture istanbul american friends turkey washington addition undertaking professional service activities public lectures united states turkey shaw produced books edited volume history ottoman empire modem turkey vols published editions editions reprints translated turkish french book jews ottoman empire turkish republic macmillan london york university press published turkish translation turkish historical society istanbul turkey holocaust turkey role rescuing turkish european jewry nazi persecution published macmillan publishers london york university press pamphlet summarizing book published ankara turkey serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
massacre muslim population karabag armenians reply sera uucp serdar argic lines article henrik writes clearify turkish armenia itchy simply letting world longer quiet turks famous tricks armenians remember turkish invasion greek island cypress world simply watched turkish karabag cyprus turkiye stepped cyprus preserve lives turkish population simple historical fact intervention late victims mass graves numerous bodies women children showed fate planned peaceful minority problems cyprus origin decades oppression turkish population greek cypriot officials violation founder status turks constitution coup etat engineered greece execute final solution turkish problem savage blow invoked turkiye intervention turkiye intervened reluctantly resort exhausting avenues consulting britain greece signatories treaty protect integrity cyprus simply expansionist motivation turkish action dramatic contrast greek motivation openly expansionist stated enosis union greece creation independent cyprus turkish population smaller legally status founder republic greek population greek cypriots support enosis minded greeks mainland consistently status portrayed island greek island minority population turks turks cyprus minority greek republic found show assert autonomy separate republic turkiye satisfied status involved island dismal record brutal greek oppression turkish population cyprus simply leave fate island turks hands greeks turkish side satisfied accord communities finally reach guarantee history repeat turkish cypriots rights liberties lives source cyprus tale island rizvi cyprus greek cypriot premeditated onslaught december turkish sectors cyprus completely besieged greeks telephonic telegraphic postal communications sectors turkish cypriot community contact world prevented turkish quarter nicosia suburbs greek cypriot armed elements broke hundreds turkish homes fired unarmed occupants automatic weapons killing random turks including women children elderly persons turks killed wounded carried hostages turks including women children forced walk bare footed night dresses rough fields river beds cyprus greek cypriot administration deprived turkish cypriots including ministers turkish members public services republic freedom movement report december security council secretary general stated respect restrictions free movement civilians major features situation cyprus early stages disturbances restrictions inflicted considerable hardship population turkish cypriot community tension high cyprus supply petrol completely denied turkish sections makarios addresses security council july ousted greek junta coup beginning express sincere members security council great interest shown critical situation created cyprus coup organized military regime greece carried greek army officers serving national guard commanding road travelling south freedom north turkish woman wounded month baby riddled bullets automatic weapon fired greek cypriot mobile patrol ambushed mother baby travelling turkish region baby died mother arms wanton murder month baby shocked foreign observers turkish community committed irresponsible persons members greek cypriot security forces mother statement greek police patrol chased deliberately fired serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
rmenian scholars extermination million muslim people reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article wiener duke eduard wiener writes post english mike appears milan greek fucked turns truth told armenians witnessed armenian genocide million muslim people voices truth suppressed today hollow anti turkish muslim campaign asala sdpa terrorism revisionism triangle fascist soviet armenian government library problem source papazian patriotism perverted baikar press boston terrorism nationals prominent part revolutionary activities dashnag leaders caucasus organized fight turks chieftains successful fight armenian opponents turkey caucasus defenseless innocent fact remains leaders turkish armenian section dashnagtzoutune carry promise loyalty turkish turks entered call armenian volunteers fight turks caucasian front thousands armenians world flocked standards famous fighters antranik kery armenian volunteer regiments rendered valuable service russian army years source adventures east rawlinson jonathan cape bedford square london published pages memoirs british officer witnessed armenian genocide million muslim people paragraph received definite information horrors committed armenian soldiery kars plain able judge discipline treatment detached parties wired tiflis zivin interests humanity armenians left independent command moslem population troops discipline effective control atrocities constantly committed justice eventually held morally responsible paragraph armenian troops pillaged destroyed moslem villages plain caravans refugees constantly arriving plain moslem population fleeing personal property transport seeking obtain security protection paragraph moslem villages plain searched arms armenians cloak search moslems killed horrible tortures inflicted endeavour obtain information valuables hidden armenians aware existence unable find paragraph shortly head miserable column appeared persons women children carts ponies donkeys carrying worldly possessions sheep driving leader interviewed bekir told farther hills able cross frontier turkey unmolested enemies paragraph armenians plain attacking kurdish line artillery large force support paragraph arrival british brigade announcement kars province allotted supreme council allies armenians announcement made british troops completely withdrawn armenian occupation commenced trouble armenians commenced wholesale robbery persecution muslem population pretext forcibly deprive arms portion province lies plains able carry purpose manner referred news turan news agency baku azerbaijan brought service berkeley email farid azerbaijan government appeals compatriots world refugees kelbajar perished escape lorries situation region kelbajar armenian army continues attack fizuli press conference chief press service president azerbaijan azerbaijanis picket front ministry foreign affairs russia picket sadvalers moscow attack armenian units stopped statement ministry foreign affairs azerbaijan azerbaijan government appeals compatriots world baku april turan today azerbaijan government appealed azeris world connection escalation armenian aggression republic stressed appeal experience years fighting independence imperial chains shows grim process azerbaijan pretence protecting human rights armenians ukhari upper garabag meant destruction azeri villages towns occupation percent territory thousand refugees addition thousand place price fighting liberty russian imperial rule document azerbaijan government appeals compatriots make effort inform people world truth azerbaijan assistance solving problems facing young state stressed appeal urgent medicine food experienced doctors financial settle refugees kelbajar fizuli lachin regions render medical sick wounded refugees kelbajar perished escape lorries baku april turan today evacuation kelbajar region refugees board lorries killed fire armenian tanks road leave kelbajar press service azerbaijan president survived tragedy situation region kelbajar baku april turan attempts evacuate rest citizens encircled alpine villages region kelbajar twenty hours evacuation helicopters land villages shelling armenian side existence measures undertaken drop food medicine encircled people hundred people succeed twenty hours region kelbajar mountain range refugees settled neighboring regions azerbaijan ganja authorities face problem rendering refugees medical food number refugees kelbajar people azerbaijan capable handling disaster magnitude armenian army continues attack fizuli baku april turan region fizuli azerbaijan situated territory daglig nagorno garabag subjected heaviest attacks armenian army fourth armored technique soldiers enemy taking part attack armenian units broke defence line azeri forces occupied ruling height town shelled grad installations morning heavy destructions town people dead population town hastily evacuated press conference chief press service president azerbaijan baku april turan fifty thousand refugees region kelbajar clock april informed chief press service president azerbaijan arif aliev today journalists informed press conference international cross helping accept render refugees medical urgent supply refugees tents food medical arif aliev informed result ongoing tragedy brought latest aggression armenia leadership azerbaijan intends appeal azerbaijanis treasure human life world reaction international community aggression armenia aliev department state expressed anxiety leadership armenia participants peace efforts daglig nagorno garabag csce rafaelli mareska chetin strongly blamed aggression armenia azerbaijan leader press service informed tomorrow ambassador azerbaijan russia hikmet haji zade conduct press conference moscow detailed information latest events region kelbajar azerbaijan press conference azerbaijanis picket front ministry foreign affairs russia baku april turan azerbaijanis living moscow picketed front building ministry foreign affairs russia picket conducted token protest participation russian units capture region kelbajar azerbaijan armenians people part picket organized azerbaijani society dayag picket sadvalers moscow baku april members sadval society picketed building permanent representation azerbaijan moscow picketers demanding return lezghins lands annexed azerbaijan ambassador azerbaijan moscow hikmet haji zade classified action provocation aimed creating inter ethnic conflict azerbaijan marked talk turan correspondent rule connection armenian aggression region kelbajar anti azerbaijani action sadval society moscow marked people lezghian nationality society lezghins sadval registered moscow demands creation lezghistan state existed northern territories azerbaijan attack armenian units stopped baku april turan attack armenian army town fizuli began twenty hours stopped informs press service ministry defence azerbaijan result undertaken measures tanks number attackers destroyed advance units armenian army retreated kilometers chairman parliament gambar visited town fizuli commanders units national army local citizens today statement ministry foreign affairs azerbaijan baku april turan ministry foreign affairs azerbaijan issued statement connection aggression armenia region kelbajar azerbaijan stated statement regular units armed forces armenia captured town kelbajar april attack armenian units began march deep territory azerbaijan continues armenia occupied present territory azerbaijan spreading armenian aggression ukhari upper garabag proves armenian azerbaijani conflicts entered specially dangerous phase result recognition armenia aggressor international community marked document stressed statement units russian army participating armenian attack casts doubt sincerity russian mediation efforts finding peaceful solution conflict marked conclusion aggressive actions armenia wrecked negotiation process aegis csce document appeal world community stop armenian aggression political economic sanctions aggressor serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
nazi armenian philosophy race reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article henrik writes buch crap nagarno karabagh part armenia stalin gave azeris back review history prayers answered bones rain word karabag turkish russians zavalli kole armenians drove turks muslims turkish majority town surprising armenians collaborated nazis wholly opportunistic dashnaktzoutun variously nazi russia soviet armenia arab jewish anti jewish anti zionist anti communist anti soviet whichever expedient john carlson arthur derounian cairo damascus alfred knopf york dear friend tzeghagrons armenian racial patriots youth organization dashnaktzoutun based boston asala sdpa terrorism triangle located followers armenian colonies world literally tzeghagron means make religion race architect armenian racial patriots garegin nezhdeh nazi armenian leader collaboration hitler world invited united states central committee dashnaktzoutun inspire organize american armenian youth nezhdeh succeeded unifying local armenian youth groups tzeghagrons starting chapters initial year tzeghagrons grew chapters largest powerful nazi armenian organization nezhdeh provided tzeghagrons philosophy racial religious beliefs racial blood deity race race quoted john carlson real arthur derounian armenian displaced persons armenian affairs winter footnote wait gruesome extent february killings azeris armenians town hojali emerging azerbaijan women children dead worst outrage year nagorny karabakh figure drawn azeri investigators hojali officials casualty lists published baku press diplomats workers death toll line estimates february attack hojali armenian forces moves year campaign full control nagorny karabakh subject round negotiations rome monday bloodshed fighting retreat massacre investigators dead civilians awful number people killed suppressed fearful communist government baku blurred armenian denials grief stricken azerbaijan wild contradictory allegations dead state prosecuter aydin rasulov cheif investigator team azerbaijan calls hojali disaster figure people dead minimum preliminary findings similar estimate elman memmedov mayor hojali higher printed baku newspaper ordu dead people named bodies reported unidentified figure dead quoted official leila yunusova spokeswoman azeri ministry defence francois ruffinen head delegation international cross baku muslim imam nearby city agdam reported figure bodies received mosque hojali civilians count bodies figure reasonable fantasy ruffinen idea gave body bags products wash dead rasulov endeavours give unemotional estimate number dead massacre worked months final figure year lawyer small office rasulov things years reach firm conclusion people killed wounded soviet troops tanks crushed nationalist uprising baku january nationalists popular front finally power weeks applying pressure find happened hojali azeri town lies miles border armenia fell armenians officially people certified dead number people medically examined republic forensic department small percentage dead rafiq youssifov republic chief forensic scientist bodies brought remember chaos fact muslims wash bury dead hours people women children years gunshots killed people shrapnel killed axes blunt instruments killed exposure highland snows killed thirty people showed signs deliberate mutilation including ears noses breasts penises eyes gouged professor youssifov report bodies examined believed killed rasulov files rasulov investigative commission disorganised lists azeri militiamen dead policemen handwriting mosque attendant names corpses brought washed heartbreaking account witnesses interviewed towfiq manafov azeri investigator helicopter flight escape route hojali february bodies dead wounded ground count properly hojali people stream road visible nakhchivanik village manafov wrote statement countersigned helicopter pilot people waved dead children year alive dead woman live pulling mother land armenians started barrage helicopter return consolidation lists figures circulation political upheavals months fact hojali time inhabitants displaced villages armenian forces independent london serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
nazi eugenic theories circulated unconventianal peace nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia peter garfiel freeman organization columbia university lines article chrism chris metcalfe writes strong evidence stands unbelievable disgusting proves forget unconventional proposal peace middle east unconventional eugenic solutions jewish problem suggested northern europeans past eugenics science deals improvement control human mating hereditory qualities race breed webster ninth collegiate dictionary thankful critical comments proposal dissemination proposal meaningful discussion enrichment elias davidsson post reykjavik iceland critical comment nazi flag holocaust photos bedroom wall elias succeed chris metcalfe chris solid discussing inherent nazism davidsson post oddly posted address hate mail utilize elias koph nicht alle hoffnung schwindet immerfort schalem zeuge klebt peace pete 
questions israel lines nntp posting host taupe utexas organization university texas austin lines article center policy research writes center policy research subject questions israel questions israelis thankful live israel provide accurate answers specific questions provocative questions asked time people true israeli authorities recognize israeli nationality cards israeli citizens carry times identify people jews arabs israelis true israeli cards identify people israelies smart true israeli stocks nuclear weapons provide evidence warhead parent backyard beer sheva miles dimona evidence true israeli prisons number individuals secret identities date trial imprisonment state secrets give details secret elias davidsson iceland email elias questions mind true center policy research enterprise true questions asked bona fide true statement provocative questions asked time people true noam 
yigal arens dangerous humanity nntp posting host organization school computer science carnegie mellon lines article ehrlich bitnet gideon ehrlich writes readers forum interested contents files nice yigal american authorities yigal arens dangerous authorities view people dangerous including millions americans arab ancestry answer question maintained files spied members california friendly rivalry yigal greenpeace member naacp reporter member dozens political organizations ethnic minorities occupations spied interest person paranoia trust government additional information send names half posters forum gideon ehrlich anwar 
questions israel organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host cwru center policy research pose unbelievably stupid loaded questions newsgroup tank fish tank time start outer boundaries stupidity step brain dress feed morning 
armenia shoot turkish planes organization columbia university center telecommunications research posted mandolin columbia nntp posting host columbia lines article henrik writes article terziogl rochester esin terzioglu writes response shooting turkish airplane armenian space ignorant posting person country turks azeris consistantly drag armenia karabakh conflict azerbaijan karabakhi armenians lived homeland years armenia azeris stalin directly involved conflict defending azeri aggression agression mercy inocent people costantly shelled othe russian aircraft hope insists turkey stay karabakh crisis repeat cyprus invasion occur armenia involved fighting azarbaijan armenian soldiers mainland armenia shelling towns azarbaijan read azeri aggression region armenians organized success militarily shell azeri towns repeatedly cyprus discussion turkey intervene intervention supposed long constant refusal greek governments island greece deal reality blamed ongoing standoff region lastly culture armenia vote free deniz 
turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece armenia azeris lines message napoleon responds napoleon panos tamamidis turks bear responsibility things happening today hard objective conflicts countries blame side sides anatolia couple millions greeks living asia minor protect taking advantage weakness ottoman empire grab land green lights allied forces occupied izmir cities western turkey killed raped millions people reason paid price mustafa kemal ataturk made swim aegean aggressions turkey anytime past reward conflicts started side aggressive ither suffering compromise remember action turkish government removing visa requirement greeks turkey thought positive attempt make relations compromise invasion cyprus involment turkey greek politics refusal turkey accept miles territorial waters stated international properties greeks konstantinople ownership islands greek lake aegean compromise talking cyprus greece business join island greece people island live live made decision living separetely peace greeks slaughter turks anymore turkish peacemaking force dream true mile territorialwater joking dreaming declare miles territorial water close athens guts shoot turkish ships dream mile territorial waters city called konstantinople city called istanbul greeks istanbul treated turks difference people turkey backyard talking human rights turkey rights turks greece basic human rights property fredom religion fredom press fredom vote elect community leaders government greece publicly encourages people destroy burn schools religious places houses farms belong turkish minority greek government forces minorities turkey dream aegean greek lake happen turkey greece river called sakarya flood days filled blood greeks mentioned talk educated people person turkey politics business business turks individuals hatred person supports policies turkish goverment directly indirecly person nationality makes support actions goverment make people hate supporter policies turkish goverment price person supports actions policies government greece good person greek idea turks people proud turks world greeks business kind people position judge people civilized give equal rights minorities millions minorities treated class citizen rights voices government greece treated slaves century make laught makes kind brainwashing greece educated person treat person nation history books things learn greek turkish encounters schooling easy brainwashing turn people turks greeks arats slavs kurds people luck turkish occupation talk murders rapes distruction learn turks history books learn people experienced hand turkish friendliness government greece actively supporting terrorism turkey armenian kurdish terrorists headquarters athens trained special camps greece taught kill innocent women children claim fact world conlusion action murder rape destroy innocent people positions talk human rights dignity government government greece actively supports atrocities bosnia serbs barbarism pleases government napoleon write turks turkey worst human conditions treatment minorities fried government respect human rights supports terrorism turkey barbaric actions bosnia treats turkish minorities class citizen rights treating slaves beginning century aykut atalay atakan napoleon 
jokes international relations summary israil sicak bakmayanlara aydinlatici organization center regional studies lines article carleton suat kiniklioglu kubilay kultigin wrote bugunlerde jewish jokes muhabbetlerinden esinlenerek sunu yazayim dedim israel able divert jewish lobby greeks persuading supporting armenian resolution senate february sour turco israeli relations addition israeli embassy washington active ensuring resolution failed instance assisting turkish jews travel wahington underline affinity israel turkey doubt debt turkey felt owed israel matter months solution consideration enior member turkish foreign ministry country grateful israel cooperation view refelecting maturity bilateral relationship experience armenian issue convinced senior figures turkey israel network washington deliver desired results robins philip turkey middle east chathm house papers papers fast warped sense logic telling israel wishes good relations turkey expense armenians armenia makes turks racist jokes jews infer israel poor relations turkey alright post horrible jokes jews impress david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
accounts anti armenian human violations azerbaijan organization center regional studies lines article carleton suat kiniklioglu kubilay kultigin writes david give rest increasingly annoying barbarism annoying country azerbaijan claims turkey number ally protector mentor david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
armenia shoot turkish planes reply henrik message nntp posting host vein rochester organization computer science department university rochester article henrik writes stuff deleted country turks azeris consistantly drag armenia karabakh conflict azerbaijan gimme break capital letters pure nonsense short sighted armenians escalating hostilities hoping turkey stay stop moment armenia drag conflict part karabakhi armenians lived homeland years armenia azeris stalin directly involved conflict defending azeri aggression expect azeri friendly forces fighting borders hope insists turkey stay karabakh crisis repeat cyprus invasion occur playing full deck turkey invade throwing cyprus buzzword header hopes greek netters jump turkey military prowess intervene wishes diplomatic power stop hostilities bring parties negotiating table hard armenians attacking azeri towns armenian leaders lacking statesmanship recognize futility armed conflict convince nation compromise leads stability military faits accomplis incessant skirmishes years line newly independent countries develop economically wipe people neighbors blood minimal belong armenian diaspora mind strikes fancy costing local armenians dearly terms blood future easy comfortable abroad propagandize craziness feelings turks tickled armenians armenia people hate neighbors years sooner peace region push compromise hitting caps lock spreading inflammatory half truths cheers 
israeli soldiers joking dark distribution world organization lithuanian israeli joint stock company olizei reply albert aiva keywords ohev kolkhem uhibbu kullukum love lines occupying israeli soldiers terrorists kill year native child fasten arms shoots face writes false report similar idea ussr militioners place electric lamp answer stays table holds lamp hold table turn table opposite direction make feel turned pitily lacks kind dark humour nick mind signature smth albert 
armenia shoot turkish planes organization lines article deniz columbia deniz akkus writes article henrik writes article terziogl rochester esin terzioglu writes henrik response shooting turkish airplane henrik armenian space ignorant posting henrik person country turks azeris consistantly henrik drag armenia karabakh conflict azerbaijan henrik karabakhi armenians lived homeland henrik years armenia azeris stalin henrik directly involved conflict defending henrik azeri aggression agression mercy henrik inocent people costantly shelled henrik othe russian aircraft henrik hope insists turkey stay henrik karabakh crisis repeat cyprus invasion henrik occur armenia involved fighting azarbaijan armenian soldiers mainland armenia shelling towns azarbaijan opinion turkish azeris bark untrue brought armenia involvement karabakhi armenians heavy losses read azeri aggression region armenians organized success militarily shell azeri towns repeatedly read york times publishing anti armenian articles resources aggressive turks azeris past armenians gona watch fire works azeris taught turks armenians organized success militarily shell azeri towns repeatedly buch sence crap hell talking azeris fighting local armenians nagarno karabakh freedom fighters nagarno karabakh azerbaijan time armenia involved bring order cover turkish involvment karabakh ahead repeat cyprus discussion turkey intervene intervention supposed long constant refusal greek governments island greece deal reality blamed ongoing standoff region chance convince based reasons government thing invade cyprus lastly culture armenia vote free position agree disadree 
armenia shoot turkish planes henrik organization center regional studies lines article hilmi hilmi eren responsed henrik wrote armenians nagarno karabagh simply defending rights homeland azeris invading territorium homeland nagarno karabagh armenians homeland today fizuli lacin villages azerbadjan homeland great armenia dream greater armenia stretch karabakh black mediterranean term greater armenia care facist methods killing raping bombing villages move blast truck kurdish refugees escape lacin city kurds armenians azeris announced winning karabakh removing armenians president azerbaijan elchibey power year announced swimming lake sevan armeniaxn july wrong elchibey shell armenians karabakh aghdam people price elchibey shell karabakh fizuli people price elchibey thinks bombing armenia hills kelbajar people price azeri minorities azerbaijan understood line process forced azerification deportation situation lezgians kurds kurds azerbaijani government kurds azerbaijan make minds kurds azeris kurds kurd refugee story stories simple fabrications sourced baku modified ankara examples armenia border iran ridiculous story intercepting armenian military conversations appeared york times supposedly translated unknown armenian azeri turkish submitted unnamed special correspondent times baku real accurate hope armenians force turkish airplane land purposes searching arms similar happened summer turkey searched american plane carrying humanitarian bound armenia henrik turkish planes shot questions asked speak things american cargo planes heading armenia turkish authorities announced search cargo planes planes returned base germany planes searched turkey content planes hard guess humanitarian facts error shipments kinds transversed turkey searched routed confiscated american planes searched routed untouched rail shipments held fall winter entering armenian turkey purpose aiding economic collapse armenia wheat confiscated shipments exchanged crap dirt shipped armenia planes turkish bases bases bomb iraq planes georgia found easier endure unnecessary expressions turkish chauvinism searches cargo revealed paranoid turkish military search turkish planes talking content announced weapons mouth ozal military weapons provided azerbaijan turkey demirel confused turkey government announced giving weapons azerbadjan armenia started attack azerbadjan karabag province search plane weapons content announced weapons correct turkish planes simply shot nice slow moving transports david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
jews islam frankenstien nntp posting host gate corp reply kaveh corp kaveh smith organization silicon graphics mountain view lines found jewish people imagentative creative jewish religion foundation christianity islam words judaism fathered religions islam turned father ironic communizem threat religion wars raise thought idea believing unite kind jews islam ebrahim killing frankenstien story stop happening deal muslims nuking distroy world killed followers heaven hell peacefull ending saga kind religion sets rules regulations society healthy state religion sets rules people experienced works society praying sole healthy meditates care kinds pray kind hopes prays religion works moral issues trys materialistic things life religious leaders make living religion corrupt turn make living muslims percent income mullahs guess rabie religion planet earth respects good helps respect mother nature heaven hell created earth acts today good choose outcome choice prevent kind crazy religion stop religious killing field poor gods thoughts kind senses late side moses mount sina mountain created earth mountain people thought reach skies heavens coming back middle east created imagination jewish people told chosen profit mohammad married khadijeh jewish taught trade taught judaism quran copy taurah testement wrote quran makeh trade city islam made center islamic world mohammad wanted expand trade business house religious stuff kind hurt wise david koresh turned afraid bigger scale jews muslims ending religion needed sense people harmony good things plotting distruction earth life kind good peace 
armenia shoot turkish planes reply oyalcin onur yalcin organization iowa state university lines article henrik writes article oyalcin onur yalcin writes cancellum onur yalcin island correctly spelled onur yalcin cyprus greek home onur yalcin communal society formed greeks turks onur yalcin history demography onur yalcin island essence turkey onur yalcin military intervention international agreements communal society greece invade cyprus henrik ignorance manifests awkward form intransigence spend time review recent history cyprus interested provide number references issue send email onur yalcin analogy occupation onur yalcin history today azerbaijani land onur yalcin drawn expansionist policy armenia pursuing buch crap nagarno karabagh part armenia stalin gave azeris back review history armenians nagarno karabagh simply defending rights homeland azeris invading teritory onur yalcin agree issue diagnoses onur yalcin political conduct countries promulgate onur yalcin terminology itchy bitchy stated relax swinging fists open agreeing assuming points state agreed easily hope armenians force turkish airplane land purposes searching arms similar henrik hope happened summer turkey searched american plane carrying humanitarian bound armenia french plane changed route avoid inspection onur yalcin oyalcin punto 
turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece armenia azeris reply tankut sabri atan organization iowa state university lines article uiowa napoleon writes article osinski eece marek osinski long consequent greeks requesting thessaloniki called solun bulgarian netters napoleon write konstantinople istanbul marek osinski thessaloniki called thessaloniki inhabitants years city called solun inhabitants instabul called konstantinoupolis years people alive today born city called konstantinoupolis people born city called solun napoleon people born istanbul called konstantinopolis people understand open today political city printed istanbul give arguments konstantinopolis flames make political statement tankut atan tankut achtung baby 
questions israel organization aiken computation harvard university lines article center policy research writes questions arab countries thankful live arab countries provide accurate answers specific questions provocative questions asked time people true arab countries recognize israeli nationality people israeli stamps passports enter arabic countries true arabic countries jordan syria undefined borders arab governments today refused state ultimate borders states true arab countires refused sign chemical weapon convention treaty paris true arab prisons number individuals secret identities date trial imprisonment state secrets true arab countries syria harbor nazi criminals refuse extradite true arab countries saudi arabia prohibit women driving cars true jews reside muslim countries subject laws muslims true arab countries confiscated property entire jewish communites forced flee anti jewish riots true israel prime minister rabin signed chemical weapons treaty arab nation sign true syrian jews required leave deposit leaving country longer allowed emmigrate promises made hafez assad george bush true jews muslim lands required special jews true intercontinental hotel jerusalem built jewish cemetary roads paved grave sites gravestones jordanian latrines cheesy inappropriate post lists biased leading questions information implied davidsson questions highly misleading adam adam shostack adam harvard budget drugs sexual favors waste members congress john perry barlow 
questions israel distribution world organization hebrew university jerusalem lines article center policy research writes center policy research subject questions israel questions israelis thankful live israel provide accurate answers specific questions provocative questions asked time people true israeli authorities recognize israeli nationality cards israeli citizens carry times identify people jews arabs israelis hebrew expression card specifically states page ezrachut yisrealit israeli citizen true israeli citizens matter ethnicity united states official forms race caucasian black amerindian true state israel fixed borders israeli governments today refused state ultimate borders state israel funny number maps fixed borders true israeli stocks nuclear weapons provide evidence true israeli prisons number individuals secret identities date trial imprisonment state secrets mordechai vanunu trial closed doors espionage case nutty professor ziona biological institute mole camera call state secret trial simply closed doors hate disappoint united states number espionage cases camera true jews reside occupied territories subject laws jews jews israeli citizens jordanian effect west bank knesset passed israeli binding israeli citizens residing west bank citizens jews israeli muslims druze israeli christians religion true jews left palestine avoid automatically allowed return christian neighbors allowed return registered muslim christian return confusing census june west bank instance arab physically present reside west bank visting jordan true israel prime minister rabin signed order ethnical cleansing today bosnia herzegovina drowned bourbon scotch brandy true israeli arab citizens admitted members kibbutzim true minority israeli arabs living kibbutzim hand admitted kibbutz family join thrilled place kibbutz movement places candidates rigorous membership criteria israeli jews admitted true israeli attempts discourage marriages jews jews religious status israel marriage divorce handled religious courts rabbanut handles marriage divorce jews muslim shaaria courts muslims christian denominations religious courts druze courts entire religious establishment jewish muslim druze christian true hotel hilton aviv built site muslim cemetery adjacent muslim cemetary heard feedback muslins sanctity cemetaries held sancrosanct held jews current israeli ministry trade industry agron road jerusalem housed hotel built arabs site arab cemetary josh backon huji elias davidsson iceland email elias 
armenia shoot turkish planes organization lines article mucit rochester bulent murtezaoglu writes article henrik writes stuff deleted henrik country turks azeris consistantly drag armenia henrik karabakh conflict azerbaijan gimme break capital letters pure nonsense short sighted armenians escalating hostilities armenians karabakh simply defending arms azeris walk hoping turkey stay stop moment armenia drag conflict part armenians knew begining turks fully engaged training azeris militarily fight karabakhi armenians henrik karabakhi armenians lived homeland henrik years armenia azeris stalin henrik directly involved conflict defending henrik azeri aggression expect azeri friendly forces fighting borders history remember relocated azeris armenian land karabakh stalin regime henrik hope insists turkey stay henrik karabakh crisis repeat cyprus invasion henrik occur playing full deck turkey invade speculate turkey stepped armenia throwing cyprus buzzword header hopes greek netters jump absolutely emphasize cases history repeats turkey military prowess intervene wishes diplomatic power stop hostilities bring parties negotiating table hard armenians attacking azeri towns understand plain words turkey peaceful conflict attacking pointing head watch defend yoursef chance remember azeris armenians baku barberian acts mothers children burning people alive armenian leaders lacking statesmanship recognize futility armed conflict convince nation compromise leads stability military faits accomplis incessant skirmishes armenians karabakh peace republic simply back azeris stalin years line newly independent countries develop economically wipe people neighbors blood minimal wrong peaceful solution conflict azeris realize armenians karabakh defend aggresion belong armenian diaspora mind strikes fancy costing local armenians dearly terms blood future taking turns armenia intension grab land azerbaijan armenians karabakh simply defending solution easy comfortable abroad propagandize craziness feelings turks tickled armenians armenia people hate neighbors years sooner peace region push compromise hitting caps lock spreading inflammatory half truths decide peace initiative absolutely meantime care wiped case armenian massacres 
flame jewish home palestine organization department redundancy department lines article maler imag oded maler writes article jake bony jake livni writes typical arabic thinking guilty nabil jewish tribes susceptible fratricidal murdering common arabs middle east killings jewish tribes comment typical thinking state interpretation exodus read exodus killing painted author bible ideological religious colors history desert ethos nomadic people occupying land great book descendants arabs turks mongols unify missed nabil comments included followup number arrived holy lands substantially harsh desert killings jewish tribes aware killings jewish tribes desert point typical thinking arabs today manner describe nomadic people occupying land killing plundering regularity progressed time surprising arabs accuse infidels things familiar civil rights violations religious discrimination ethnic cleansing land theft torture murder precisely mechanism work leads people jewish tribes killing desert support ludicrous suggestion jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
yigal arens dangerous humanity organization department redundancy department lines article eshneken uiuc edward shnekendorf writes arabs sympathetic palestinian israel arab governments generally care palestineans struggle find political purposes back home happy leave palestineans largely israeli control leaves controlling israelis israelis king hussein jordan managed kill rate thousands month started intifada jordan governments syria lebanon egypt feel similarly proclaiming public support palestinean israel deflects criticism deep problems home lends legitimacy brutal arab tyrants arab people sympathetic palestineans shown willingness destabilize plunder jordan lebanon kuwait viewed suspicion sympathy israel suspect arabs removed border israel kuwait morroco care jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
israeli soldiers kill child organization james capel pacific limited tokyo japan lines great writes occupying israeli soldiers terrorists kill year native child fasten arms shoots face writes false report couple months wrote terrible program passed compilation describes great include include define loser define childish define unhumoristic define vulgar define mossad agent define loser childish unhumoristic vulgar mossad agent static void abort printf wanted mother abort program printf void main signal sigint abort printf program jewish arab relations printf abort infinite loop world compile wonderfool program unix machine make type prompt works great tsiel tsiel ohayon receive mail employer opinions percent 
questions israel organization university illinois urbana lines backon huji writes article center policy research writes true israeli prisons number individuals secret identities date trial imprisonment state secrets mordechai vanunu trial closed doors espionage case nutty professor ziona biological institute mole camera call state secret trial simply closed doors hate disappoint united states number espionage cases camera cases john pollard 
jews islam frankenstien lines nntp posting host mcgill organization mcgill university article margin answer read article kaveh corp kaveh smith writes found jewish people imagentative creative jewish religion foundation christianity islam words judaism fathered religions islam turned father ironic communizem threat religion wars raise thought idea believing unite kind jews islam ebrahim killing frankenstien story stop happening deal muslims nuking distroy world killed followers heaven hell peacefull ending saga judaism father islam prophets judaism ignores prophets prophets including jesus christ christians muslims mohammed idea believing unite peoples note christianity islam reflect fact people views rights christians muslims stated religion kind religion sets rules regulations society healthy state religion sets rules people experienced works society praying sole healthy meditates care kinds pray kind hopes prays religion works moral issues trys materialistic things life religious leaders make living religion corrupt turn make living muslims percent income mullahs guess rabie supposed income necessities paid note personal basis poor contrary money poor country poor muslims world money required human sense muslim knocks door money makes list mosque make paid surely pass money baskets prayer services religion planet earth respects good helps respect mother nature heaven hell created earth acts today good choose outcome choice prevent kind crazy religion stop religious killing field poor gods thoughts kind senses late side moses mount sina mountain created earth mountain people thought reach skies heavens coming back middle east created imagination jewish people told chosen presence earth show signs existence places shown signs existence profit mohammad married khadijeh jewish taught trade taught judaism quran copy taurah testement wrote quran makeh trade city islam made center islamic world mohammad wanted expand trade business house copyright taurah muslims taurah bible originally contained message similiarities taurah bible translated languages changed meaning time translation reflects personal views translator exists language revealed arabic mankind changed meaning revealed mohammed time scientific facts discovered traditional scientific methods development baby mother womb religious stuff kind hurt wise david koresh turned afraid bigger scale jews muslims ending turn hope religion needed sense people harmony good things plotting distruction earth life kind good peace send mail read rest steve 
armenia shoot turkish planes reply henrik message nntp posting host vein rochester organization computer science department university rochester article henrik writes article mucit rochester bulent murtezaoglu writes henrik country turks azeris consistantly drag armenia henrik karabakh conflict azerbaijan gimme break capital letters pure nonsense short sighted armenians escalating hostilities henrik armenians karabakh simply defending henrik arms azeris walk news reports location motives wise caps change facts hoping turkey stay stop moment armenia drag conflict part henrik armenians knew begining turks fully engaged henrik training azeris militarily fight karabakhi armenians point break caps start talking defense fully engaged turkey henrik karabakhi armenians lived homeland henrik years armenia azeris stalin henrik directly involved conflict defending henrik azeri aggression expect azeri friendly forces fighting borders henrik history remember relocated azeris henrik armenian land karabakh stalin regime hear justifies bloodshed years fact henrik hope insists turkey stay henrik karabakh crisis repeat cyprus invasion henrik occur playing full deck turkey invade henrik speculate turkey stepped henrik armenia turkey realize local clash turkey wished happen turkey plans region economic revival operation good stuff words happy bicker armenians trade barriers usenet killed detest throwing cyprus buzzword header hopes greek netters jump henrik absolutely emphasize henrik cases history repeats buys implicit premise sane thing provoke turkey democratic government bunch idiots athens time stayed home families cyprus quarrel suspect accurate palatable parties involved turkey military prowess intervene wishes diplomatic power stop hostilities bring parties negotiating table hard armenians attacking azeri towns henrik understand plain words turkey henrik peaceful conflict death destruction henrik henrik attacking pointing henrik head watch defend yoursef chance kind childish rhetoric anthing henrik remember azeris armenians baku henrik barberian acts mothers children henrik burning people alive azeri give description similar stuff perpetrated armenians hash stuff hatred alive armenian leaders lacking statesmanship recognize futility armed conflict convince nation compromise leads stability military faits accomplis incessant skirmishes henrik armenians karabakh peace republic henrik simply back henrik azeris stalin current methods peaceful years line newly independent countries develop economically wipe people neighbors blood minimal henrik wrong peaceful solution henrik conflict azeris realize armenians henrik karabakh defend aggresion solution exchange slogans peace happening happening condusive peace spend days nights raving armenian position happy talk arguing side entrenched positions lead people peace talk compromise armenia strong exercise bombs style foreign relations type stalin caps give sided atrocity stories peace talk side personally choose usenet people power childish belong armenian diaspora mind strikes fancy costing local armenians dearly terms blood future henrik taking turns armenia intension henrik grab land azerbaijan armenians karabakh henrik simply defending solution azeri disagree maps support solution reached manner easy comfortable abroad propagandize craziness feelings turks tickled armenians armenia people hate neighbors years sooner peace region push compromise hitting caps lock spreading inflammatory half truths henrik decide peace initiative absolutely henrik read posting spew information boogey talk avoid nastiness fair henrik meantime care henrik wiped case henrik armenian massacres realize thing turkish massacres boys talk nasty things overwhelmed anger kids hateful sounds crazy 
news briefs organization labaniyati koocheh lines article farzin farzin mokhtarian writes kayhan havai namaki deputy minister health stated infant mortality year iran thousand revolution thousand month cheghadr namakand wait teenagers kill namaki stated revolution children received vaccinations protect deseases figure reached visit mahathir mohammad prime minister malaysia iran agreements cooperation areas industry trade education tourism signed agreement iran charge building malaysia natural network granted great deal reconstruction houses buildings torn areas malaysia khak sareshoon industries construction unemployed youth give money malaysia iranians farzin mokhtarian mash javad 
basil opinions water brain organization thinking machines corporation cambridge lines distribution world nntp posting host composer article hasan mcgill writes article astein alan stein writes guess hasan finally revealed source claim israel diverted water lebanon imagination alan stein astein nysernet water head israel diverted lebanese rivers fact israel southern lebanon make water lebanese side water jordan river israel head posting hard evidence facts difficult bothered substantiate basil evidence support imagine news report ancient times hasan writing newsflash cairo ancient press israel today denied egypt acces typical display israelite agressiveness leader israelite slave revolt prince moses parted action estimated caused irreparable damage environment egyptian authorities thousands fisherman denied livelihood parted waters pharaoh brave charioteers successful glorious attempt waters return normal state suffered heavy casualties hasan shai guday stealth bombers software engineer thinking machines corp winged ninjas skies cambridge 
turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece armenia azeris nntp posting host scsu ctstateu organization southern connecticut state university haven lines aykut busload greek turists torched people buis died happened years instanbul greeks islands imbros tenedos allowed churches momama turkey turned church warehouse picture pontian greeks trapezounta sampsounta call trabzon sampson spoke thousand year alod language left speek islamicised start flamefest start quoting argic hard thing equipped turks greece badly mistreated elected representatives greek government free absolutely free hospitalization education turks turkey shout untill move greece enjoy privileges forget study foreign university poor shod tiling earth sweat aziz nessin writing poetry read stuff wrote mountains tayros respond kindly questions interested finding books people yeian eytyxeian opinions expressed angelos karageorgiou mine mine miinne miinnee aarrgghh live long prosper carrier mail manner whatsoever repost publicise parts messages messages disagree exercise freedom speech send 
hezbollah reply hernlem ncsu brad hernlem organization ncsu chem lines article tclock clock writes article colostate writes terrorist camp israelis view villages small communities kids playing soccer streets women preparing lunch playing cards young aged years members lebanese resistance inhabitants village secretive people suspect young supported financially iran time sneak arms ammunitions occupied zone booby traps israeli patrols time israeli soldier killed injured traps israel retalliates indiscriminately bombing villages choosing killing innocent civilians true method utilized guerilla terrorists groups conduct operations midst local populace forcing opposing state harm innocent civilians search order avoid deaths civilians abandon search people population cover blaim dragging innocent civilians harm suggesting guerillas population cover israel totally back easiest attacking innocent shield hope respects innocent lives guerillas wrong assuming civilians cover killing soldiers country buffer zone prevent attacks israel working neccessary israeli guns pound lebanese villages kill infiltrate buffer zone shelling villages called retaliation back make sense shell villages shows reckless disregard israeli government lives civilians israel insists called security zone protection northern israel price occupation blood soldiers israel interested peace withdraw land attacks israel neighboring arab states start hope happen occur arab states show prepared responsibility duty stop guerilla attacks israel soil prove provide guaratees israel accept word past attitude tolerance anti israel guerillas residence israel accept word imho business wasting time coming peace talks written newsgroup real solution result comprehensive peace settlement israel withdraws borders peace keeping troops stationed border insure side border shelled good lord brad basil basil intelligent person respect writes basil person gladly call friend lebanese suspect realistic solution time israel realize concept buffer zone aimed protecting northern cities failed fact caused israeli deaths occasional shelling northern israel resulted aware communities people feeling fighting attack silently accept fate call israel sense suffering fewer casualties suggest apply palestinian arab islamic groups ignoring fact palestinians lebanon disarmed hezbollah remains independent militia hezbollah attack israel times burned sheikh mosavi wife young israel withdraw lebanon stop assassinating people shelling villages make lebanese hezbollah subsequently disarmed lebanese government proven capable controlling disarming militias parts lebanon basil support active involvement syria lebanon able accomplish occurred syria leaves lebanon able retain control syria stays thay dangerous israel time recall trouble syrian border israel syrians able restrain territory control attack israel lebanon syria israel borders presence syrian troops lebanon meant sharp decrease attacks israeli territory israeli troops lebanon note distinction past years view entire matter serenely sided selectively naive disagree basil cool headed person slow anger important actual witness things israeli guns israeli government remember roles reversed moderate retaliation brad hernlem hernlem ncsu 
turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece armenia azeris reply tankut sabri atan organization iowa state university lines article uiowa napoleon writes article tankut sabri atan panos tamamidis turks bear responsibility things happening today hard objective conflicts countries blame side sides anatolia couple millions greeks living asia minor protect conflicts started side aggressive ither suffering compromise remember action turkish government removing visa requirement greeks turkey thought positive attempt make relations compromise invasion cyprus involment turkey greek politics refusal turkey accept miles territorial waters stated international properties greeks konstantinople ownership islands greek lake aegean things compromise greeks mentioned talk educated people person turkey politics business business turks individuals hatred person supports policies turkish goverment directly indirecly person nationality makes support actions goverment make people hate supporter policies turkish goverment price makes kind brainwashing greece educated person treat person nation history books things learn greek turkish encounters schooling easy tankut atan tankut achtung baby brainwashing turn people turks talk greeks arabs slavs kurds people luck turkish occupation talk murders rapes distruction learn turks history books learn people experienced hand turkish friendliness napoleon napoleon kind people preventing peace world answer question asked posting told bullshit posting positive point issue filled hatred filled emotions forget worth discuss issue tankut atan tankut achtung baby 
clintons views jerusalem organization lines president clinton recognize jerusalem israels capitol keeping diplomatic rear door open stating parties concerned decide city final status endorse clintons matter decided israel participating neighboring contries real conflict stating views expect politicians david shalhevet dshal uiuc university illinois dept anim pabl gregory urbana 
hezbollah nntp posting host tbilisi honeywell organization honeywell systems research center lines article bradski gary bradski writes amehdi honeywell hossien amehdi merley pointing side suffering arab lebanese defende homeland invader means syrians iranian agents israeli invaders gary bradski bradski reverberate cognitive neural systems boston university cummington boston agree opinions invader neural design countries involved lebanon nodes cognitive neural systems case weights country 
basil opinions water brain reply hernlem ncsu brad hernlem organization ncsu chem lines article shaig shai guday writes article hasan mcgill writes article astein alan stein writes guess hasan finally revealed source claim israel diverted water lebanon imagination alan stein astein nysernet water head israel diverted lebanese rivers fact israel southern lebanon make water lebanese side water jordan river israel head posting hard evidence facts difficult bothered substantiate basil evidence support imagine news report ancient times hasan writing newsflash cairo ancient press israel today denied egypt acces typical display israelite agressiveness leader israelite slave revolt prince moses parted action estimated caused irreparable damage environment egyptian authorities thousands fisherman denied livelihood parted waters pharaoh brave charioteers successful glorious attempt waters return normal state suffered heavy casualties hehehe litani river flow west south waters stay lebanese territory hasan jordan river makes sense case hasbani river hand flows jordan mistaken brad hernlem hernlem ncsu 
news miss organization artificial intelligence lines distribution world reply nntp posting host klosters reply message news suppressed israeli national volleyball team repeatedly spiked lesson invoke wrath sports nuts brits lead regard casualties years yigal life pristine intimate details revealed harm good instruction people hate sports dominates media agents watching boredom filing reports damaged atlanta operation fierce 
clintons views jerusalem organization bellcore livingston summary verify statements lines article dshal uiuc writes president clinton recognize jerusalem israels capitol keeping diplomatic rear door open stating parties concerned decide city final status endorse clintons matter decided israel participating neighboring contries real conflict stating views expect politicians david shalhevet dshal uiuc university illinois dept anim pabl gregory urbana avoid discussion clintons views endorsed find newspaper article correct making statements president obtaining information made statements 
zionism racism lines nntp posting host mcgill organization mcgill university syria expansion author writes thought zionism racism wrong correct time zionism racism thankfully mcgill daily student newspaper mcgill proud print article copy send mail steve 
turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece armenia azeris reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article uiowa napoleon writes instabul called konstantinoupolis years people alive today born city called konstantinoupolis make sense napoleon sense striking bigoted racist attitude greeks exists greeks insist today year capital ottoman empire called rightful istanbul half millennium moniker cons york city called amsterdam dutch people persist calling today stalingrad long replaced volgagrad china peking traded beiging long ciudad trujillo dominican republic santa domingo zimbabve colonial capital salisburry harrare accepted officially world greeks determined calling turkish istanbul cons explain total intransigence makes greeks mortals year questionable democracy reconcile fact instance istanbul changed hands years predates discovery world years declaration independence years half millennium considered time cons called turkish city logic greek reasoning long laurels ancient civilization ancient greece exist civilizations existed soil anatolia undereducated wieneramus live illusion mentality rationalize cyprus greek island history book shows belonged ottoman turks lock stock barrel period years fact prior turks acquisition bloody naval battles venetians island cyprus belonged invariably nations assyrians sumerians phoenicians egyptians ottoman turks order owned territory possession government greece history world cyprus located miles greek mainland miles turkiye southern coastline saddam hussein claims kuwait iraqi territory greek cypriot government terrorist greek governments cyprus part greek hegemony arromdians involved grandiose hallucination wake sweet daydreams confront reality wishful thinking unproductive facts count selanik robert mantran structure sociale communaute juive salonqiue neuvieme siecle nehama joseph nehama salonica paris archives january archives describing daily battles jewish greek children streets salonica benghiat director ecole moise allatini salonica paris december archives describing greek attacks jews boycotts jewish shops manufacturers greek press campaigns leading blood libel attacks cohen ecole secondaire moise allatini salonica paris december archives describes week terror greek army occupation salonica soldiers pillaging jewish quarters destroying jewish synagogues accompanied explosion hatred local greek population local jews muslims mizrahi president salonica reported paris july archives irregulars comitadjis massacred pillaged burned army soldiers chief police high civil officials active part horrors moise tovi salonica paris august archives describes greek pillage jewish quarter night august alliance israelite universelle paris serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
exact million muslims exterminated armenians reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article linden peter linden writes turks kill armenians jews kill germans make armenians laugh analogy jewish holocaust systematic extermination entire muslim population independent republic armenia consisted percent population republic memoirs armenian army officer participated witnessed atrocities published title references abound rachel bortnick jewish times june armenians massacred turks exact armenians slaughtered million muslim people source mccarthy muslims minorities population ottoman anatolia empire york university press york source hovannisian richard armenia road independence university california press berkeley angeles source hovannisian richard armenia road independence university california press berkeley angeles addition kars batum oblasts empire increased area transcaucasia square miles estimated population entire region percent armenian percent georgian percent moslem group tatars paradoxically barely transcaucasia armenians lived erevan guberniia christians constituted majority uezds erevan uezd administrative center province armenians compared moslems time russian census armenians established scant majority percent guberniia risen percent inhabitants impressive change province ethnic character notwithstanding creation armenian republic solid block tartars continued dominate southern districts outskirts ereven border persia historic armenia administrative subdivisions transcaucasia percent turk closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape tartars proceeded work extermination troops surrounded village village resistance offered artillery knocked huts heaps stone dust villages untenable inhabitants fled fields bullets bayonets completed work tartars escaped found refuge mountains succeeded crossing border turkey rest killed length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki plains ararat cold mountain plateau north dotted mute mournful ruins tartar villages quiet villages howling wolves jackals visit scattered bones dead ohanus appressian references eminent authors field middle eastern history eyewitnesses armenian genocide million muslims armenian revolutionary movement louise nalbandian university california press berkeley angeles diplomacy imperialism william lenger professor history harward university boston alfred knopt york turkey europe charles elliot edward arnold london chatnam house version middle eastern studies elie kedouri praeger publishers york washington rising crescent ernest jackh farrar reinhart york toronto spiritual political evolutions islam felix valyi mogan paul trench truebner london struggle power moslem asia alexander powell century york london struggle transcaucasia feruz kazemzadeh yale university press haven conn history ottoman empire modern turkey volumes stanford shaw cambridge university press cambridge york melbourne western question greece turkey arnold toynbee constable london 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kaynaklari gozen kitabevi istanbul kirzioglu fahrettin kars cevresinde ermeni mezalimi kardes matbaasi ankara basbakanlik osmanli arsivi babiali istanbul yildiz esas evraki yildiz perakende irade defterleri cemaat gayr muslime defterleri meclisi vukela mazbatalari dahiliye nezareti kalem mahsus dosyalari dahiliye nezareti sifre defterleri babiali evrak odasi siyasi kartonlar babiali evrak odasi muhimme kartonlari disisleri bakanligi hazine evrak defterdarlik harb umumi muteferrik kartonlar british archives parliamentary papers hansard commons lords foreign office confidential print collections foreign office turkey correspondence annual reports foreign office foreign office political intelligence general correspondence foreign office ryan papers foreign office curzon papers foreign office eastern conference lausanne files india office records library blackfriars road london political security boxes turkey treaty peace east turkey greece lausanne conference french archives archives ministere affaires entrangeres quai orsay paris documents diplomatiques affaires armeniens collections guerre turquie legion orient levant armenie official publications published documents diplomatic correspondence agreements minutes turkey ottoman empire republic turkey akarli belgelerle tanzimat istanbul atase askeri tarih belgeleri dergisi xxi askeri tarih belgeleri dergisi xxii hocaoglu ittihad anasir osmaniye heyeti nizamnamesi istanbul meray trans lozan baris konferansi tutanaklar belgeler ankara vols meray olcay osmanli imparatorlugu cokus belgeleri mondros birakismasi sevr andlasmasi ilgili belgeler ankara osmanli devleti dahiliye nezareti aspirations agissements revolutionnaires comites armeniens avant apres proclamation constitution ottomane istanbul ermeni komitelerinin amal hareket ihtilaliyesi ilan mesrutiyetten evvel sonra istanbul idare umumiye vilayet kanunu istanbul muharrerat umumiye mecmuasi istanbul muharrerat umumiye mecmuasi istanbul muharrerat umumiye mecmuasi istanbul muharrerat umumiye mecmuasi istanbul osmanli devleti hariciye nezareti imtiyazat ecnebiyye lagvindan dolayi memurine teblig olunacak talimatname istanbul osmanli devleti harbiye nezareti islam ahalinin ducar olduklari mezalim hakkinda vesaike mustenid malumat istanbul ordu aliye divan harbi orfisinde tedkik olunan mesele siyasiye hakkinda izahat istanbul turkozu osmanli sovyet belgeleriyle ermeni mezalimi ankara turkiye buyuk millet meclisi gizli celse zabitlari ankara vols russia adamof sovyet devlet arsivi belgeleriyle anadolu taksimi plani tran rahmi mutlucag istanbul altinay komite kital istanbul kafkas yollarinda hatiralar tahassusler istanbul turkiye katolik propagandasi turk tarihi encumeni mecmuasi sept asaf muammer harb mesulleri istanbul akboy birinci dunya harbinde turk harbi osmanli imparatorlugu siyasi askeri hazirliklari harbe girisi ankara akgun general harbord anadolu gezisi ermeni meselesi dair raporu kurtulus savasi baslangicinda istanbul akin turk devrim tarihi istanbul aksin turkler ittihad terakki istanbul basar ermenilerden gorduklerimiz ankara ermeniler hakkinda makaleler derlemeler ankara belen birinci dunya harbinde turk harbi ankara deliorman turklere karsi ermeni komitecileri istanbul prens sabahaddin hayati ilmi mudafaalari istanbul ercikan ermenilerin bizans osmanli imparatorluklarindaki rolleri ankara gurun ermeni sorunu yahut sorun nasil yaratilir turk tarihinde ermeniler sempozyumu izmir hocaoglu arsiv vesikalariyla tarihte ermeni mezalimi ermeniler istanbul karal osmanli tarihi vii ankara kurat osmanli imparatorlugu paylasilmasi ankara orel yuca ermenilerce talat pasa atfedilen telgraflarin icyuzu ankara english translation ahmad young turks committee union progress turkish politics oxford serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
genocide azeri turks soviet armenia karabag reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article henrik writes hope insists turkey stay karabakh crisis repeat cyprus invasion occur terminal cold karabag turkish remain turkish century community azeri turks soviet armenia karabag facing forced assimilation torture murder hand forced exodus expulsion genocide ethnic religious background world community powerless human rights advocates decent people human tragedy number azeris murdered terrorist armenian army savage gangs increasing hand distort truth mercy turkiye melbourne helen womack agdam azerbaijan thursday exact number victims unclear doubt azeri civilians massacred armenian fighters snowy mountains nagorno karabakh week refugees enclave town khojaly sheltering azeri border town agdam give largely consistent accounts enemies attacked homes night february chased fled shot surrounding forests yesterday freshly graves cemetery addition mutilated corpses shown mosque arrived agdam late tuesday women children bullet wounds makeshift hospital string railway carriages khojaly azeri settlement enclave populated armenians population rashid mamedov commander police agdam escaped town rest prisoner fled bodies lying mountains azeris short helicopters retrieve believed perished cold temperatures minus degrees refugee rami nasiru khojaly residents thought attack routine shooting accustomed years conflict armenians convoy armored personnel carriers realised hope defend machineguns grenades fled forests small hours massacre started nasiru believes wife children prisoner repeated refugees troops soviet army helped armenians attack khojaly opinion eyes serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
rmenians genocide azeri people reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article henrik writes armenia involved fighting azarbaijan armenian soldiers mainland armenia shelling towns azarbaijan opinion related arromdian asala sdpa terrorism revisionism triangle feel simply fascist armenian governmental crony forum sadly mistaken duly embarrassed lecture historical revisionist genocide apologist fact time fascist soviet armenian government genocide azeri women children chance sunday times march morgues fill azeris head thomas goltz report massacre armenian soldiers worst violence breakup soviet union reports agdam khojaly barren town empty shops treeless dirt roads home thousands people happier times tended fields flocks geese week wiped sickening reports trickled azerbaijani border town agdam bodies piled morgues doubt khojaly stark foothills gullies site terrible massacre soviet union broke westerner visit khojaly january people predicting fate grim resignation zumrut ezoya mother board helicopter ferried town called community sitting ducks ready shot family victims massacre february armenians outlying villages government balakisi sakikov father drive kill dilbar wife couple sons daughters killed assault people spoken close armenian lines knew cross road units column hell broke loose bullets raining sides entered trap azeri defenders picked survivors armenian forces began pitiless slaughter firing moved gullies video azeri cameraman wailing crying filmed body body showed grizzly trail death leading higher forested ground villagers sought refuge armenians armenians shot shot shot omar veyselov lying hospital agdam sharapnel wounds wife daughter fall people wandered hospital corridors news loved vented fury foreigners daughter wailed mother raped butchered lost azerbaijan refugees killed flee armenians denied civilians caught crossfire source times march corpses litter hills karabakh anatol lieven fire flying azerbaijani forces investigate alleged mass killings refugees armenian troops swooped snow covered hills nagorno karabagh scattered corpses apparently refugees shot azerbaijani film places flew shown journalists showed dozens corpses lying parts hills azerbaijanis claim died mass killing azerbaijanis fleeing town khodjaly seized armenians week believed wounded frozen death missing squatted cabin azerbaijani attack helicopter flew investigate claims mass killings suddenly thump underside aircraft flash tracer ripped past starboard wing helicopter rocked sharply swung round deafening burst fire cannon wing helicopter crew returned fire fired armenian anti aircraft post swung round tipped starboard appeared dive straight valley brown earth swooped heads helicopter swung round contours ground cannon fired repeated blasts emerged civilian helicopter escorting landed successfully nakhichevanik east disputed enclave nagorno karabakh pick dead fact attacked ground fire armenian helicopter armenian helicopter intermittently window cannons firing thought mistakenly side group western journalists embarked search rescue flight combat mission flight consisted civilian passenger helicopter soviet attack helicopters azerbaijani service nicknamed flying crocodiles armour party crocodile civilian helicopter land mountains pick bodies sites mass killings attack helicopters give covering fire operation showed striking sign disintegration soviet armed forces pilot russian officer azerbaijani official told soviet military helicopters pilots fighting azerbaijan signed contracts helicopter engaged combat flown brother officer russian pilot fighting armenians saturday agdam airfield heated armenian controlled mountains karabakh sheer white wall distance civilian helicopter picked corpses previous mission azerbaijani cameraman filmed dozen bodies hillsides hurry speed back azerbaijani lines azerbaijani gunners hill plain safety gazed passed back airfield agdam bodies civilian helicopter picked small covered blood limbs contorted cold rigor mortis shot russian pilot tragedy close shave nagorno karabakh gave cheerful grin politely declined answer ques tions marched dinner serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
anniversary commemoration turkish holocaust reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article henrik writes henrik ignorance manifests awkward form intransigence spend time review recent history cyprus good back references read fascist soviet armenian government prefer imagine american european jewish armenian scholars mislead arromdians guest source stanford shaw armenian collaboration invading russian armies history ottoman empire modern turkey volume reform revolution republic rise modern turkey london cambridge university press april dashnaks russian armenia organized revolt city armenians comprised percent population closest armenian majority city empire leaving erivan april armenian volunteers reached organized carried general slaughter local muslim population days small ottoman garrison retreat southern side lake source world alive personal story robert dunn crown publishers york memoirs american officer witnessed armenian genocide million muslim people seventh paragraph paragraph inside houses dammit stomach turkish officer uniform trees mosque open space nail studded door pushed ajar spurred leaving check corpse thought charge constant gritted teeth inside place cool reeked sodden ashes dark stone walls window slits rags strewed floor iron tripod embers vented smoke roof beams black soot looked bare empty room flies buzzed door swung shut body lying face naked grimy turban fifty years left face rifle butt bashed left slanted tartars turks uniform proof quickly gagging mess slashed genitals paragraph people lived hundred yawned turk officers dawn tartar civilians mufti lieutenant dozed small hours voice woke stood starlight bawling officer keelhauled long furiously heard abruptly broke laughter quick simple child cover sense guilt thought hoped boast irreligion christian massacring infidels horrible reverse daybreak armenian villagers poured miles women plundered happily chattering ravens picked carcass djul hauled hovel chattels scrap food cloth staggered packing pots saddlebags looms spinning wheels back camp leave shook hands captain bientot camarade hours molokan scout plodded north parching plains wife looked back smoke bathing doubtless sack moslem villages line snow iran morning officers spread high region called karabakh deep tactics spoke russian contempt allied neutral zones distrust promises made tribal chiefs campaign shaped raids moslem villages hours told close sides foot shoot bayonets merrimanov jabbing rifle dumbshow morale moslems terror soldiers civilians asked difference armed uniform women children ridges circled wide expanse floors hundreds feet held solid cotton flock djul lies pointing attack sides whee whistle lined rock edge bayonets clicked carbines plunged archo black haunches rippling staff horde nose tail bellies taking spur armenia action pageant heard utica brass roar watched height ages djul show clear tsing machine fire thumping batteries cattle lowed dogs barked invisible hunk cheese drank snow puddle mist folded upward shouted heard faintly shrill wailing cloud streaks rose darker wisps smoke glimmered house walls stone wattle weeds roofs mosque stood clump trees thick green crooked alleys fire horsemen galloping figures mounted foot tartarski shouted gunner pantomimed escape rocks twisted bronze shell nose loaded yanked breech cord firing shots wasted thought afternoon looked vain fallen branch body shots white bursts shrapnel gullies drowned women cries length shooting petered horse rode djul burned flame showed steep tough dense scrub finally flatter ground suddenly alders smoldering houses trampled wheat brothers arms leading animals calves lamb fourth paragraph corpses pretty child straight black hair large eyes looked twelve years stubble meal scattered sack toting bayonet back judged blood scant breasts clot small bullet wound crusted homespun dress rawhide jacket knee pants face path huts reached pewter bowl carried upset dough steel jabbed neck spine grownups sorrel djul empty living till looked german speaking colonel tartars escaped dead stories armenian murdering turks czarist troops fled north hosts told duty tabs brigands turkish troop shifts hidden arms spies christian tartar coming transcaucasus spoke hell break loose versailles threatened armenian vilayets turkey control erevan armenia armenians turks christian rule lips smacked irony droopy moustache bloodshed smyrna bigger scale source library congress bristol papers general correspondence container dashnaks power world boiling attacking kurds turks tartars committing outrages moslems massacring moslems robbing destroying homes years armenians russian caucasus shown ability govern ability govern handle races power source gurun armenian file london nicosia istanbul muslim villages destroyed soldiers armenian troops armed cannons machine guns eyes troops people documented information muslim villages destroyed young muslim women kars gumru hundreds women children able flee villages beaten killed mountains source allen paul muratoff caucasian battlefields cambridge university press armenians found support reds regarded tartars counter revolutionary elements fighting massacre tartar population source general bronsart wrote article july issue newspaper deutsche allgemeine zeitung moslems capable bearing arms turkish army easy organize terrible massacre armenians defenseless people armenians attacking sides rear eastern army paralyzed front russians attacking moslem folk region source quoted general hamelin letter high commissioner february official history armees francaises levant armenians burned destroyed turkish villages punitive measures advance practically turkish villages retreat marash source john dewey turkish tragedy republic volume november armenians boasted raised army hundred fifty thousand fight civil burned hundred turkish villages exterminated population serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
armenia shoot turkish planes organization columbia university center telecommunications research posted mandolin columbia nntp posting host columbia lines article henrik writes article deniz columbia deniz akkus writes opinion turkish azeris bark untrue brought armenia involvement karabakhi armenians heavy losses opinion valid repeated capital letters words untrue read york times publishing anti armenian articles resources aggressive turks azeris past armenians gona watch fire works azeris taught turks armenians justified aggression supposedly turks aggressive past follow logic cyprus discussion turkey chance convince based reasons government thing invade cyprus cyprus discussion give reasons turkey involvement convince reason waste time lastly culture armenia vote free position agree disadree culture armenia started peace mind deniz akkus 
zionism racism nntp posting host orion organization university california irvine lines article writes syria expansion author writes thought zionism racism wrong correct time zionism racism thankfully mcgill daily student newspaper mcgill proud print article copy send mail steve paper exercise selective morality judgement time recognizes religiously based government racist exclusionary simply built philosophy separate equal class treatment minorities continue bias jewish nationalism racism islam people allotted rights race religion culture racist 
jewish committee middle east jcome organization college engineering michigan state university lines distribution world reply friedenb gedaliah friedenberg nntp posting host silver flipped local cable access channel channel community member broadcast half hour documentary term loosely conflict west bank apparently made hand held camcorder quality terrible camera jumpy documentary told tales children died jews martyrs regular story victimized youth recounting education jews high school admittedly spent years prison murdering jewish woman claims kind garbage sympathy palestinian jews arabs ashamed call documentary suprising part credits shown address makers film named jewish comm middle east heard make peace wingers gedaliah friedenberg department mechanical engineering department metallurgy mechanics materials science michigan state university 
zionism racism organization college engineering michigan state university lines distribution world reply friedenb gedaliah friedenberg nntp posting host silver article writes syria expansion author writes thought zionism racism wrong correct time zionism racism thankfully mcgill daily student newspaper mcgill proud print article copy send mail info claiming blacks brought earth trillion years aliens plante shabazz send literature nation islam farrakhan group info claiming holocaust happened send info institute historical review david irving group read gannon posts revisionism wanted steve post company deserves steve gedaliah friedenberg department mechanical engineering department metallurgy mechanics materials science michigan state university 
questions israel organization brown university department computer science lines center policy research writes true israeli stocks nuclear weapons provide evidence israel nuclear weapons restricted killing deer addicted cherrie soldiers locked cellar garinei afula factory gingi lost anymore gingi finds chief rabbis time lock bombs activated sabbath weeks follow victories betar jerusalem soccer team quick glance national league score table reveal strategic importance fact danny keren 
questions israel nntp posting host surya ucla organization ucla computer science department lines center policy research writes center policy research subject questions israel thankful live israel provide accurate answers specific questions provocative questions asked time people questions omitted elias davidsson iceland email elias funny mention heard questions time couple nazis ucla passing literature cheers steve steven berson ucla computer science department steven ucla angeles 
ccounts anti armenian human violations azerbaijan summary prelude current events nagorno karabakh organization center regional studies lines accounts anti armenian human violations azerbaijan prelude current events nagorno karabakh driver fact armenians left burned beat stabbed deposition vanya bagratovich bazian born foreman baku spetsmontazh administration umsmr resident building apartment block sumgait azerbaijan days events february business trip crew paper work left zhdanov district azerbaijan nagorno karabagh region rumors started effect karabagh specifically stepanakert uprising place uprising azerbaijani uprising demonstration unrest started armenians living zhdanov district injured injured beaten women demonstrations live karabagh demonstrate felt uneasy conversations armenians local population armenians armenians site attacked couple times kids true crew cables knives felt called home children unrest careful project told secretary district party committee wanted crew site happen entrusted matter police warned district happen fact detail policeman local people protect happened leave minutes work time afterward spent night sense disquiet call home wife tells situation tense careful finished site left sumgait thing morning left warned told armenian business travel documents zardali passport socks baku front baku collect travel documents case turns knew happening sumgait arrive station city sumgait closed city closed buses running buses leave baku sumgait minutes suddenly buses private drivers azerbaijani find found light transport vehicle arranged driver sumgait gave thousand rubles burning city killing armenians armenian left hold stand squared sumgait driver fact armenians left burned beat stabbed silent miles silent driver asks quiet means armenian asks call depends person life world older years called silent approaching city tanks cordon kavkaz store driver starts wave hand waving hand start waving hands sitting start waving hand realized sign meant armenians city crowd people walking middle street traffic scared stopped people standing sidewalks armature shafts stones stopped driver tells armenian armenians armenian speak language armenians pronounce azeri word pundukh fundukh correct pronunciations pundukh armenian immediately start slash people inside started hitting side fire people driver drives baku sumgait back stop short eyes gleaming armature shaft hand stone asks nationality azerbaijani armenians pulling things armenian azerbaijani ashamed left turned left happened city fire steal children home stopped entrance street kavkaz store large story buildings beginning town burned automobile completely burned metal remained figure zhiguli zaporozhets told zhiguli people completely incinerated remained traces driver told skeleton metallic carcass yards kavkaz store military transport armored personnel carrier hatches closed people throwing armature shafts pieces iron crowd hear shots automatic fire true pistol shots shots azerbaijanis crowded personnel carrier crowd shooting apparently wanted kill soldiers machine point armored personnel carrier tanks city cordoning sumgait walked azerbaijanis home plant gait bandits people walking home joined case happened case asked questions position answer avoided large groups local quickly recognized distance walked fewer people walked microdistrict block block walked fewer people tall people walking shouting megaphone comrades armenian azerbaijani begun police megaphones talking walking microdistrict coming turn building noticed walked buildings inside microdistricts people standing corner middles buildings edges close afraid important thing home find children alive april yerevan reference sumgait tragedy pogroms armenians soviet azerbaijan volume eyewitness accounts edited samuel shahmuradian forward yelena bonner published aristide caratzas pages david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
armenia shoot turkish planes lines nntp posting host viktoria reply hilmi hilmi eren organization dept computer systems sciences stockholm university henrik hilmi writes henrik armenians nagarno karabagh simply defending henrik rights homeland azeris henrik invading homeland homeland nagarno karabagh armenians homeland today fizuli lacin villages azerbadjan homeland great armenia dream facist methods killing raping bombing villages move blast truck kurdish refugees escape lacin city kurds armenians nagorno karabakh azerbaijan armenia armenians lived nagorno karabakh armenians armenians live areas armenia nagorno karabakh area invade nagorno karabakh armenians defending azeris dying policy attacking armenians wrong policy attacking attacking country live condemned armenia attacking start attackers azeris armenians lived nagorno karabakh armenians azeris lived nagorno karabakh azeris nonsence reason attack people called gorbatjov gave freedom people area recall correctly stalin caused problem land place armenians easy people blame history indians living reason indians attack american people fault government germany great britain made people place armenians lived harmony azeris gorbatjov gave freedom people karabag armenians started kill rape torture azeris karabag azerbadjan henrik hope armenians force turkish airplane henrik land purposes searching arms similar henrik happened summer turkey searched american plane henrik carrying humanitarian bound armenia speak things cargo planes heading armenia turkish authorities announced search cargo planes planes returned base germany planes searched turkey content planes hard guess humanitarian story talking planes sending armenian years guess planes story find search turkish planes talking turkey government announced giving weapons azerbadjan armenia started attack azerbadjan karabag province search plane weapons content announced weapons turkey start armenia imagine result france greece start fighting azerbadjan give weapons armenians secret armenian government shortsighted move neigbours neighbour armenia live harmony stone country happen armenia wars continues president turkey turgut ozal died petrosyan armenian presindent turkey funeral armenia neighbours live armenia stop continued ordertaking states france words love people shoot turkish planes ohh forgot armenians find food arms mentioned countries hilmi eren stockholm university sweden 
center policy resea cwru uucp lines readers conference interested center polict research oblige elias davidsson icelandic citizen born palestine mother thrown germany belonged undesirables times group defined jews forced palestine cynical factors settled iceland years people thrown homeland palestine reason belonged indesirables people include neighbors jerusalem children played child crime theyare jews conscience accept injustice period work justice principled opposition racism racial discrimination protest practices arab countries support long protest based principled position tactic deflect criticism israel struggle discrimination racism universal center policy research gave activities undertaken guidance domains command support volunteers iceland formal institution works minimal funds professionally music teacher composer published pieces piano music taught widely europe hope discussion israel palestine conducted civilized manner calling names helpful elias davidsson iceland 
nazi eugenic theories circulated uucp lines postings made proposal comments discussion discuss merits drawbacks forced make incites harm harass personal manner legally responsible deeds accept accept threats personal integrity urge opposes terror refrain direct indriect threats proposal nazi eugenics search peace enable justice justice jews fled expelled permitted return homeland called pragmatism nice word legitimizing rule strong called justice peace justice peace conviction situation state attempts discourage mixed marriages israel normal state resembles nazi germany south africa western democracies united states jews free marry thousands proposal drawbacks meant force compensate time mixed couples hardships tehy endure society disapproves intermarriage israel civil decmoractic society state concerned religious ethnic affiliation constituency fund needed mind jews marry jews traditions affairs state western democracy separates domains american jews enjoy fact love live state termed christian state green cards stamped mark genuinely interested exchange views personal experiencces refrain emotional infantile outbursts leed readers infer jews respect judaism uncivilized behaviour good judaism elias 
moment silence organization university california diego lines nntp posting host sdcc ucsd april approaching armenians world ready remember massacres family members turkish government million armenians perished period important note deny event place supported policy exterminate armenians painfully witnessed azerbaijan happen taking time read post helgge 
rmenian slaughter defenseless muslim children pregnant women reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article henrik writes gimme break capital letters pure nonsense short sighted armenians escalating hostilities armenians karabakh simply defending winding winter puts heavy arromdian mood dear mehmetcik write letter giving criminal handlers asala sdpa terrorism revisionism triangle military pointers shoot armed adult males small muslim children pregnant women source times march massacre uncovered anatol lieven sixty bodies including women children spotted hillsides nagorno karabakh confirming claims armenian troops massacred azeri refugees hundreds missing scattered amid withered grass bushes small valley hillside bodies wednesday massacre armenian forces azerbaijani refugees hill armenian controlled town askeran outskirts azerbaijani military headquarters agdam died made safety lines landed spot helicopter yesterday afternoon troops commonwealth independent states began pulling left unhindered warring factions general boris gromov oversaw soviet withdrawal afghanistan flew stepanakert ease departure local truce enforced azerbaijaines collect dead refugees hiding hills forest attack helicopters circled continuously nearby armenian positions bodies counted scene agdam past days figures include civilians reported killed armenians stormed azerbaijani town khodjaly tuesday night figures include undiscovered bodies zahid jabarov survivor massacre people shot point visited refugees routes told shot repeatedly leaving trail bodies path bodies scattered possessions clothing personnel documents bodies preserved bitter cold killed hills forest massacre bodies ordinary people dressed poor ugly clothing workers policeman apparent national volunteers wearing uniform rest civilians including women small children groups apparently families fallen children cradled women arms including small terrible head injuries face left survivors told armenians shooting point blank ground serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
traditional historical armenian barbarism watch reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article fazia begum rizvi writes good muslims care terms affected ideology actions terms decscribe bosnians suffering bigotry mind people call dirty descendants turks people hate religion muslims white suffering forget genocide azeri people karabag soviet armenia armenians armenians committed unheard crimes resorted conceivable methods despotism organized massacres poured petrol babies burned raped women front parents bound hand foot mothers fathers appropriated personal property real estate today azeris unbearable conditions nation history aref sadikov quietly shade cafe caspian esplanade baku showed line stitches trousers torn armenian bullet fled town hojali months writes hugh pope wearing clothes year carpenter beginning account hojali disaster wounded places lucky alive sadikov wife short food electricity month helicopter flights days sensed armenian noose tightening people left straggling azeri town edge karabakh bombardment started heard kinds weapons artillery heavy machine guns sadikov neighbours pouring street direction attack huddled shelters started fleeing town hill stream snow forest side escape townspeople reach azeri town agdam miles thought make dawn reached bottleneck armenian villages nakhchivanik saderak group hurt spotted road armenian outposts started opening fire sadikov azeri militiamen fighting hojali rushed forward force open corridor civilians efforts vain sadikov people group made including wife militiaman relations died including year elder brother time reach cover face pulling flat turkish eyes bodies back groups lucky benefit covering fire hero evacuation alif hajief shot dead struggled change magazine covering group crossing sadikov hero elman memmedov mayor hojali spent february bushy hillside surrounded dead bodies armenian armoured personnel carriers survivors staggered mile agdam comfort town population flee night reached town armenian rocket attack people sadikov hospital treatment found bullet sock victims azeri woman mourns killed hojali massacre february left nurses struggle primitive conditions centre save wounded makeshift operating theatre train carriage grief stricken relatives town agdam weep coffin massacre victims calculating final death toll complicated muslims bury dead hours photographs heung frederique lengaigne reuter independent london serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
rmenians serving wehrmacht reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article wiener duke eduard wiener writes taste cheap shot translate kozovski insulting reference milan pavlovic corrected wieneramus april hitler preparing invasion caucasus number nazi armenian leaders began submitting plans german officials spring summer souren begzadian paikhar ambassador armenian republic baku paikhar wrote letter hitler german support armenian national socialist movement hossank suggesting creation armenian formation order educate youth liberated armenia spirit nazi ideas wanted unite armenians occupied territories ussr movement conquer historic turkish homeland paikhar confined serving nazis goebbels propaganda ministry speaker armenian french language radio broadcastings armenian language broadcastings produced nazi armenian viguen chanth patrick muhlen muehlen enno meyer berkian zwischen rhein arax jahre deutsch armenische beziehungen heinz holzberg verlag oldenburg establishment armenian units german army favored general butcher played important role establishment armenian legions assuming official position views represented respective organs interesting meeting place reichsfuehrer heinrich himmler discussed matters collaboration himmler long conversation asked visit camp close berlin himmler provided private minor problem soviet nationals aryans subhumans official nazi philosophy subject german racism armenians threatened privileged august armenians recognized aryans bureau racial investigation ministry domestic affairs meyer berkian ibid serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
keeping silent memory million muslim people alive reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines source leonard ramsden hartill bobbs merrill company indianapolis pages memoirs armenian officer participated genocide million muslim people muslim villages destroyed slain driven country armenians spare tartars persisted slaughtering prisoners looting rape massacre helpless commonplace actions expected accepted matter scenes massacres dead ground numbers fallen leaves forest helpless defenseless sheep died soldiers heat battle fired ardor courage weapons hands exchanging blow blow died helpless hearts brains bursting horror worse death serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
religious persecution cultural oppression economical reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article uiowa napoleon writes afraid kind odds greek governments held account human conditions turkish minority living western thrace brutal greek domination religious persecution cultural oppression economical communication applied turkish population area dimensions human rights abuse widespread greece greece housing policies worry western thrace turks newly built houses belonging members minority community dedeagac province destroyed evros province public works department sungar added received harsh treatment security forces demolition demolition dedeagac province houses destroyed members minority community made homeless continued greece government rail roads turkish ethnic deputies world human rights organizations scream greeks persistently work removing parliamentary immunity sadik ahmet ahmet faikoglu page confession salman demirok chief operations hakkari confessed high level relations greece greek cypriot administration existed demirok greek cypriot administration shelter guerillas supplies food weapons temporary camps territory demirok disclosed safe houses south cyprus terrorists ferhat camps added terrorists trained weapons including anti aircraft guns purchased directly greek government greek cypriot government extent issuing special identification cards members travel region confronted legal obstacles demirok account confirmed defector fatih gave police hakkari spending years explained terrorists training camps south cyprus period weeks torture greece hidden reality case kostas andreadis dimitris voglis andreadis head covered hood tortured falanga beating soles feet electric shocks threatened thrown window official medical report documented torture case horst bosniatzki west german citizen midnight beach chains feet threatened thrown dragged beach punched head kidneys back police station beaten finger tips thin stick fingertips split open case torture dimitris voglis case brothers vangelis christos arabatzis vasilis papadopoulos kostas kiriazis case torture students thessaloniki police headquarters source british broadcasting corporation summary world broadcasting july part middle east nidal advisers reportedly training asala militants cyprus nicosia ankara aviv israeli secret service mossad reported acquired significant information connection camps troodos mountains cyprus training militants asala armenian secret army liberation armenia sources close mossad kurdish greek cypriot armenian militants undergoing training troodos mountains southern cyprus sources stated nidal special advisers giving military training asala militants camps added militants leave southern cyprus libya lebanon syria greece iran completing training mossad established clashes taking place terrorist groups based syria asala organisations moved greek cypriot part cyprus comfortable transferred number camps northern syria troodos mountains mossad revealed armenian national movement opened liaison offices nicosia athens tripoli order meet camps offices provide material support armenian camps leader popular front liberation palestine george habash reported ordered participate operations carried asala extreme racist extreme nationalist fascist reliable sources habash believed recent operations carried militants show organisation band irregulars engaged extreme nationalist operations added instructed militants sever links avoid clashing established george habash expelled asala militants camp asala connections drug trafficking exposed source alan cowell greece dispute terror york times june special york times athens june dispute developed today athens washington united states intelligence reports athens months conducted negotiations terrorist nidal contacts verified termed hard intelligence reports nidal leads palestinian splinter group fatah revolutionary council implicated airport bombings rome vienna contributed reagan administration decision bomb tripoli libya year washington state department officials administration officials learned contacts state department drafted strongly worded demarche officials expressed unhappiness greece dealings asala armenian liberation army carried terrorist acts turks serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
rejoinder questions israelis lines freenet mark kaufman newsgroups talk politics mideast subject rejoinder questions israelis date organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio realize principle strongest points question sort arab countries continue tank charade fixation israel stop start sort questions arab countries realize work arab countries treatment jews decades fixation israel begin biased attack group recognizes stupid center policy research fancy bigot hates israel honest hatred israel heard family lived israel members family competition true family true israel personal vendetta objective israel phony baloney center hides bias clue davidsson realized post stupidity group incur answers people armed truth realized piece selective data piece make truth realized head people read group stupid hope place pseudo analysis continually ripped shreds start show regard objectivity continue show anti israel zealot disguise bias pompous center policy research laughing stock center considered joke make attempt objective place honor clowns bigots idiots usenet mark mike 
american jewish congress open letter clinton news software vnews organization european organization nuclear research cern lines article arromdee arromdee writes article casper cern casper davi writes fixation bosnia european country world intervention somalia counter staunch republican irony arguing military intervention arguments based vietnam escaped opposed intervention somalia reasons risky based reasons opposed intervention somalia somalia european country world desire somalia racist reason applies somalia completely misunderstood opposed intervention somalia reason opposed intervention bosnia security interest united states justifies risking lives american servicemen crises world case bosnia risks greater countries position reasons action point somalia world country send troops bosnia opposite fixation european countries theory predict similarly desire muslims fought christians opposite theory predicts continue misunderstand reason people intervene racist overly fond word phenomenon race related racist distinction subtle grasp motives attention outrage entire yugoslavian situation result closer home happening people identify relentlessly harped media side preferred presentation conflict psychological factors doubt fact intervened somalia level attention devoted considerably devoted bosnia newspapers news guide dave 
center anti irsael rhetoric organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host thor cwru dear davidsson claim purpose fight racism interest injustice committed israel treatment jews arab nations injustice staggerring proportions injustice care 
humanity bosnia keywords barbarism organization corporation open systems distribution world lines mrizvi engga mubashir rizvi writes encouraging number people interest posting recieved couple letters debated statement events bosnia unprecedented history modern world contest statement present figures world mind world country power stop today matter power lack idea nation taking action military intervention bosnia thought advocate action belligerants subdued require occupation force generations stop realize people forgotten single slight injury imbibed hatred mother milk stop fighting seize destroy weapons simply back killing clubs price futility lives young women send price unwilling point difference makes holocast time international community didnot muscle prevent unfortunate event valid comparison holocaust jewish people friends brought hate wary hate warsaw uprising unarmed warsaw badly gunned easy speak muscle muscles suppose thing parents wives children lovers sending gave lives noble noble separating dogs turn offer muscle suppose week give foreign nationals time leave cease bloodshed week bring tomahawk firing ships destroy belgrade destroyed bosnian cities cities reduced rubble sudden attack brains send missiles means send troops today inspite international community standing neutral arms embargo means lift embargo obvious disadvantage weeker side advantage bully indirecltly possibly unintentionally mankind sided killers unprecedented history modern world killers honestly side rizvi 
hezbollah organization thinking machines corporation cambridge lines distribution world nntp posting host composer article hernlem ncsu brad hernlem writes article tclock clock writes suggesting guerillas population cover israel totally back easiest attacking innocent shield hope respects innocent lives guerillas wrong assuming civilians cover killing soldiers country buffer zone prevent attacks israel working neccessary israeli guns pound lebanese villages kill infiltrate buffer zone shelling villages called retaliation back make sense shell villages shows reckless disregard israeli government lives civilians recall subject raised weeks touched claimed guerillas manifestations popular sentiment topic arose civilian stop civilian houses shelters guerillas free aiding violated civilian status attacks israel neighboring arab states start hope happen occur arab states show prepared responsibility duty stop guerilla attacks israel soil prove provide guaratees israel accept word past attitude tolerance anti israel guerillas residence israel accept word imho business wasting time coming peace talks statement made ways lebanon interested peace accept word israel attacks disarming hizbollah remove continued occupancy afterall israel staged parts withdrawal areas occupied lebanon ignoring fact palestinians lebanon disarmed hezbollah remains independent militia hezbollah attack israel times burned sheikh mosavi wife young israel withdraw lebanon stop assassinating people shelling villages make lebanese hezbollah subsequently disarmed true hizbollah affiliated groups made attempts infiltrate border israel support active involvement syria lebanon able accomplish occurred syria leaves lebanon able retain control syria stays thay dangerous israel time recall trouble syrian border israel syrians able restrain territory control attack israel lebanon syria israel borders presence syrian troops lebanon meant sharp decrease attacks israeli territory israeli troops lebanon note distinction past years true syrians guerillas operate areas control provided guerillas attacking israeli lines problem syria stable partner long term peace area shai guday stealth bombers software engineer thinking machines corp winged ninjas skies cambridge 
basil opinions water brain organization thinking machines corporation cambridge lines distribution world nntp posting host composer article hernlem ncsu brad hernlem writes litani river flow west south waters stay lebanese territory hasan jordan river makes sense case hasbani river hand flows jordan mistaken litani river flows west southwestern direction buffer zone hasbani flow jordan contrary imaginative poster write increase inflow river proportional climatic rainfall brad hernlem hernlem ncsu shai guday stealth bombers software engineer thinking machines corp winged ninjas skies cambridge 
turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece armenia azeris organization university rochester department electrical engineering article karage ctstateu angelos karageorgiou greek macedon combination writes aykut busload greek turists torched people buis died happened years instanbul greeks islands imbros tenedos allowed churches momama turkey turned church warehouse picture pontian greeks trapezounta sampsounta call trabzon sampson spoke thousand year alod language left speek islamicised start flamefest start quoting argic hard thing equipped turks greece badly mistreated elected representatives greek government free absolutely free hospitalization education turks turkey shout untill move greece enjoy privileges forget study foreign university poor shod tiling earth sweat aziz nessin writing poetry read stuff wrote mountains tayros respond kindly questions interested finding books people yeian eytyxeian opinions expressed angelos karageorgiou mine mine miinne miinnee aarrgghh live long prosper carrier mail manner whatsoever repost publicise parts messages messages disagree exercise freedom speech send dear karageorgiou clarify misunderstandings posting incident canakkale years mentally person killed pontus greeks changedwith turks greece logout greek friend yiorgos computer back asta vista baby 
public service translation keywords effective greek armenian postings organization georgia institute technology lines hell david davidian talks david shut attitute full lies shit hear mess turc hell timucin kaan timucin georgia institute technology atlanta georgia uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism internet gatech 
israeli soldiers kill child nntp posting host supergas reply nstramer ingr organization intergraph electronics lines article nadeem ethz nadeem malik writes remember correctly reported camera time israeli invasion lebanon itifada began caught regular uniformed israeli soldiers breaking arms arab youngsters professional brutal manner give full details remember occassions scene transmitted west caused uproar factors significantly changed preception israeli army role east proof proof reported give full details remember hear proof obvious systematic policy israelis occurring massive scale scenes palestinians brutally murdered brothers nadeem naftaly stramer intergraph electronics internet nstramer ingr lookout road suite voice boulder quality watch 
hezbollah reply colostate nntp posting host parry lance colostate organization engineering college colorado state university lines article adam uucp adam shostack writes young attack syrian troops south lebanon area israeli lebanese troops present syrian troops deployed north awali river awali river security zone lebanese troops stationed blood soldiers israel interested peace withdraw land guarantee peace lebanese youth unable restrain violence unable realize actions prolong israels stay south lebanon opinion opinion israeli government agree peace guarantees addressing problem stands comprehensive peace settlement concluded include security guarantees sides proposal aimed decreasing casualties interim period opinion israel withdraws unilaterally staying israeli agrees move hope able change opinion post lebanese army able maintain peace israel israel prefers soldiers children explained contend israel withdraw unilaterally attacks ensue northern israel explained case suggestion aimed reducing level tension casualties sides unfortunate israel agree opinion israel save israeli lives withdraw unilaterally called security zone conclusion peace talks move save israeli lives advance peace efforts give israel great moral lift israel public image abroad give edge peace negociations israel rightly claim genuinely interested peace offered important concessions israel withdraw lebanon peace treaty signed withdraw casualties lebanese people push israel kill soldiers happen withdrawal israel demand hizbollah disarmed lebanese government warn accept attacks northern cities shelling occurs taking buffer zone hold lebanese syrian government responsible israel demand holding buffer zone bargaining position holding neighbors land israel occupying security zone free charge paying price israel withdraws lost bargaining chip negociating table save soldiers lives contention lebanon agree conditions israel left lebanese disarm hizbolah maintain peace completely untrue hizbollah minor force lebanese politics real heavy weights syria allies supported syria lebanese army troops unified hizbollah moral justification attacking israel proper israeli withdrawal draw lebanese syrian israeli israel withdraw hizbollah attacking israel akin political moral suicide basil adam adam shostack adam harvard budget drugs sexual favors waste members congress john perry barlow 
clinton views jerusalem organization university denver dept math comp lines bellcore feigenbaum benjamin writes recently read bill clinton campaign stated elected immediately recognize jerusalem israel capital article clinton reaffirmed winning presidency recent talks president mubarak secretary state christopher stated status jerusalem final matter discussion parties start discussion status jerusalem authenticate clinton statements dates places recent interview middle east insight magazine clinton supports moving embassy jerusalem time interrupt peace talks msilverm cubs likes freedom baseball geddy 
serbian greek connection nntp posting host gurney organization university minnesota lines carleton suat kiniklioglu writes reiterate terminology describing events extremely misleading cyprus occupied turkish forces invited turkish cypriots intervened realize print flyers topic reasons thinking distribute world population people aware fact telling truth start sending flyers officials distributed flyers hiding people read lock mental institute strange strange world live feel neophytos iacovou university minnesota email iacovou computer science department rutgers iacovou 
basil opinions water brain reply colostate nntp posting host parry lance colostate organization engineering college colorado state university lines article shaig shai guday writes article hasan mcgill writes article astein alan stein writes guess hasan finally revealed source claim israel diverted water lebanon imagination alan stein astein nysernet water head israel diverted lebanese rivers fact israel southern lebanon make water lebanese side water jordan river israel head posting hard evidence facts difficult bothered substantiate basil evidence support agree shai references israeli plans litani river find hard evidence mentioned report commissioned study litani river draft form israeli commissioned study river wolfe litani starts bekaa valley lebanon flows southward west south lebanon discharges mediterranean city tyre rivers hasbani wazzani start lebanese territory join jordan river mentioned plan divert water litani water flow naturally houle evidence diversion structure long area mountainous inaccessible occupied israel independent reports existence diversion structure mentioned diversion deep wells rumored israe wells tapping deep aquifers drawing water israeli side border wells costly operate high energy costs lebanese israeli agree distribution water shared aquifers part peace plan bilateral negociations regional issues fact time current state affairs withdrawals aquifers completely unregulated basil hasan shai guday stealth bombers software engineer thinking machines corp winged ninjas skies cambridge 
hezbollah reply colostate nntp posting host parry lance colostate organization engineering college colorado state university lines article tclock clock writes article colostate writes view entire matter serenely sided selectively naive ooh hurts suffer naive sided views mine skip articles future wise good basil 
hezbollah reply colostate nntp posting host parry lance colostate organization engineering college colorado state university lines article shaig shai guday writes snip imagine terrorist camp israelis view villages small communities kids playing soccer streets women preparing lunch playing cards argue villages terrorist camps close serving purpose function prior invasion village closest describing mine agree villages civilian population deserted close israeli lines bombed villages remaining inhabitants guerillas elderly part typical south lebanon village mine civilians guerillas live inhabiting house families large members families involved hizollah hard south lebanon israel fighting army drawn battle lines guerilla tyoe resistance definition necessity blends local populace evil cowards women children shields fight powerful equipped occupying army villages describe large number groups area backed organizations wide range purposes hizbollah amal larger hizbollah amal main militias hizbollah people tend committed resistrance operation motivated religious conviction retaliation mistakes made indiscriminate bombing produced major casualties mixture israel chooses targets carefully times sends pilots sorties aimed town general attackers specific village intelligence occasions israel retalliated civilian refugee camps north lebanon show idly soldiers attacked time directs dirty work indiscriminately shell lebanese villages side experienced shelling occasions militia despised israeli troops disagree israel willingly withdraw lebanese able field reliable force area police prevent attacks hope israeli willingness withdraw contend withdrawal israel security reduce military losses claim lebanese syrian able prevent attacks northern israel incentive syrian lebanese goovernment hizbollah bomb israel proper circumstances lebanese government proven capable controlling disarming militias parts lebanon syrian happy israel sink lebanese morass elaborate disagree serves syria interests syria lebanon guarantee northern israel security return israeli withdrawal syria israel involved protectorate lebanon syria sitting negotiating table accept political resolution renewal hostilities lebanese front peace negotiations back question agree case isareli soldiers killing qualified murder matter regretable situation agree loss human life deplorable regrettable shai guday stealth bombers software engineer thinking machines corp winged ninjas skies cambridge basil 
suicide bomber attack territories organization brown university department computer science lines attention israel line recipients friday april arabs killed soldiers wounded west bank bomb explosion israel defense forces radio galei zahal reports today bomb explosion west bank today killed palestinians wounded soldiers blast believed work suicide bomber radio reports packed butane exploded parked buses belonging civilian busses flames blast killed arab worked nearby snack mehola settlement israel radio report stated killed bomb officials haemek hospital afula soldiers injured blast suffered light moderate injuries danny keren 
investment yehuda shomron lines today israeline posting afterthought read money allocated building infrastructure territories create jobs palestinians yisrael reports public works geared building infrastructure costing million israeli shekels million dollars begin sunday territories announced night prime minister yitzhak rabin finance minister avraham shohat effort create jobs palestinian residents territories infusion money bring allocations developing infrastructure territories year million year figure million applaud investing money yehuda shomron chevel azza order create jobs residents find deplorable active policy israeli administration regard jewish residents past governments found funds subsidize cheap read affordable housing requisite infrastructure investment creating industry generated income jobs years yehuda shomron remain barren bereft middle sized industries jewish settlements sterile bedroom communities havens main israelis secular religious work aviv jerusalem afford live city surrounding suburbs giboosh kivoosh living settle settled potemkin villages paying price yonatan horen jews base advocacy jewish positions interests judaism essentially racists horen morally defensible grounds preservation jews separate people rest religious identity jews 
free propaganda machine freeman blood israel nntp posting host supergas reply nstramer ingr organization intergraph electronics lines article shaig shai guday writes article hasan mcgill writes israelis menahim begal begin yitzhak shakh shamir leaders cute real cute stop childish issues gangs massacred palestineans heros israel prime ministers forgot gurion hope enjoying coffin israelis donot support doubt oppression killing mass murders jews west bank hasan shai guday naftaly naftaly stramer intergraph electronics internet nstramer ingr lookout road suite voice boulder quality watch 
bomb west bank nntp posting host supergas reply nstramer ingr organization intergraph electronics lines israeline arabs killed soldiers wounded west bank bomb explosion israel defense forces radio galei zahal reports today bomb explosion west bank today killed palestinians wounded soldiers blast believed work suicide bomber radio reports packed butane exploded parked buses belonging civilian busses flames blast killed arab worked nearby snack mehola settlement israel radio report stated killed bomb officials haemek hospital afula soldiers injured blast suffered light moderate injuries arab killed mossad count murder naftaly naftaly stramer intergraph electronics internet nstramer ingr lookout road suite voice boulder quality watch 
hezbollah organization thinking machines corporation cambridge lines distribution world nntp posting host composer article lance colostate basil hamdan writes article shaig shai guday writes hard south lebanon israel fighting army drawn battle lines guerilla tyoe resistance definition necessity blends local populace evil cowards women children shields fight powerful equipped occupying army true perspective worthwhile note cases populace suffer attempts control guerillas cases past palestinian emplacements situated villages argument made small arms fire made field pieces hizbollah amal main militias hizbollah people tend committed resistrance operation motivated religious conviction recall amal primarily nationalistically lebanon lebanese motivated difference matter funding support question mind claim hizbollah committed stated position peace talks peace talks peace talks israel assume lebanon syria sincere desire peace hizbollah disarmed hope israeli willingness withdraw contend withdrawal israel security reduce military losses claim lebanese syrian able prevent attacks northern israel bearing mind military losses palatable civilian understand israel slow manner syrian happy israel sink lebanese morass elaborate disagree serves syria interests syria lebanon guarantee northern israel security return israeli withdrawal syria israel involved protectorate lebanon syria sitting negotiating table accept political resolution renewal hostilities lebanese front peace negotiations back question agree syria lebanon part greater syria necessarily syrians unhappy israel neck lebanese morass afterwhich syria continue merry schedule israeli public opinion lead pullout agree loss human life deplorable regrettable negotiate easily people shai guday stealth bombers software engineer thinking machines corp winged ninjas skies cambridge 
ccounts anti armenian human rights violations azerbaijan summary prelude current events nagorno karabakh organization center regional studies lines accounts anti armenian human violations azerbaijan prelude current events nagorno karabakh february people streaming street shouting long live turkey glory turkey trial ismailov glory turkey understand turkey live soviet union turkey told kill armenians understand glory turkey asked question answer answered deposition emma setrakovna sargisian born cook sumgait emergency hospital resident building apartment block sumgait azerbaijan understand husband older killed killed hurt word oughtn kill find government husband killed returned work saturday home work straight kitchen called mamma soccer game shouts lenin street lived igor turned looked mamma courtyard people awful marching marching hundreds thousands shouting armenians kill armenians tear armenians pieces happening point lived friendship suddenly completely unexpected shouting long live turkey flags shouting walking front dressed gray raincoat walking make vent window walking children shouting tear armenians pieces armenians shout shout hurrah people streamed walking groups groups women women women mamma women long time walking shouting afraid simply balcony azerbaijani neighbor balcony khalida happened emma happened frightened white sticks white waving rods heads walk front leader white stick armature shaft white husband home minutes home dear frightened kill afraid children children year kids technical vocational school fear sofa television broadcast azerbaijanis killed karabakh askeran heard settle walking kill azerbaijanis kill afraid heard central square women shouting stage shouting things hear speak azerbaijani listen close window happening listened closed window told sleep sleep sleep stood window morning watching sick affecting igor minute window things calmed slightly sunday husband emma today rest aren make felt startled today sake listen listen garage close door staircase muttered make coward closed door left started cleaning picking things house quiet clock noon station neighbor told cars burning khalida emma afraid government cars zhigulis volga waited clock clock home killed shagen tires burning town black smoke town afraid standing balcony body shaking killed basically waited clock home afraid clock building building bookstore upstairs floor thrown window igor turns wanted hide joined mamma burning police standing twenty policemen standing side crowd side people throwing balcony balcony shouting standing burn threw television bomb neighbor floor balcony shouted burning things people saved difficulty things home burning courtyard yell inside inside building meant armenians armenians downstairs place emma emma leave killed shagen live living shagen kill insists emma khalida give daughter apartment visiting gave neighbor endure igor stay downstairs papa papa killing brothers alik valery albert valery avanesians accounts rima avanesian alvina baluian courtyard crowd building shouting howling killing time alik valery lived corner house courtyard azerbaijani neighbor young years madar uncle shagen dead garage garage bring corpse house shouts aunt emma back house happen madar coming stay looked back aunt emma garage closed madar returned aunt emma killed alik valery wheezing madar wanted scoundrels scared young back call ambulance alik live grew courtyard knew good terms call single telephone worked shut called called called called upstairs neighbor igor police cars drove headlights touching lying lying watched window clock downstairs apartment clothes couch clock morning igor stay home find papa dead alive keys work clock emergency hospital head doctor doctor opened door morgue doctor shagen shagen wanted people awful shagen alive back clock morning panel truck policemen people hospital sara baji sister sara term endearment brought shagen shouted back emma shoes younger person shagen happened shoes light guessed immediately doctor brought shagen dead carrying dead dead alive back face immediately dead knew shagen worked long time doctor shagen emma doctor deceiving find today tomorrow screamed office emma calm colleagues doctor shagen hideous condition calm shagen minutes colleague poor emma hope left awful endlessly bringing dead injured people night home igor papa killed morning left igor home hospital bury hospital surrounded soldiers wearing dark clothes citizen work inside shouts cook head doctor office person city health department work hospital emma shagen baku night wounded dead baku doctor bury taking care worry spend night home home home igor stay home ambulance wait head doctor coming arranging ambulance coat igor bring igor patient stay kagramanov head doctor izyat jamalogli sadukhov ambulance arrived home igor admitted patient gave private room isolation room stayed hospital police emma women colleagues police anxious taking kill investigator make positive identification baku morgue remember hospital investigator shagen caskets lying mind investigator identifying marks clothes shoes sock recognize body gold teeth finger half fingers shagen carpenter injured work brought sleeves shirt sweater wearing brought burned shouted burned shouted fell remember investigator fine fine identified clothes teeth gold teeth told emma time bury shagen cried bury shagen sick inform relatives sisters situation karabagh yerevan transportation impossible killed february buried march buried sumgait asked bury bury karabagh born bury karabagh shouting head burial office guess means karabagh means arson arson karabagh world killed karabagh anymore begged pleaded grieved knees bury months months year calms move karabagh trial sumgait concluded investigation murderer tale ismailov told happened trial wriggle soften crime brought videotape recorder guess played ismailov describing scene crime telling differently forgot witnesses criminal creep street crowd people shagen volga people surrounded involved ismailov tale unclear started pulling shagen left side side pulled sports jacket jacket nationality armenian crowd shouted armenian kill kill started beating broke ribs heart awful tale armature shaft picked lying bush picked witnesses head started beat shagen sitting ground fell left nearby burning things apartment killing back shagen alive wanted finish alive back back looked dead bastard tale home snake thief murderer shagen money jacket watch wrist overturned burned tale longer people turned burned clarified told investigator trial burned straightened unjust burned lying fire spread death certificate degree burns percent body killed husband carpenter good craftsman knew fixed hands children sons igor time older pyatigorsk younger serving army fatherless procurator read years deprivation freedom mind intentional murder sentence years deprivation freedom screamed mind creep bare hands relative restrained military people soviet trial unjust shouted left february people streaming street shouting long live turkey glory turkey trial ismailov glory turkey understand turkey live soviet union turkey told kill armenians understand glory turkey asked question answer answered yerevan reference sumgait tragedy pogroms armenians soviet azerbaijan volume eyewitness accounts edited samuel shahmuradian forward yelena bonner published aristide caratzas pages david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
deir yassin organization stanford university lines nntp posting host morrow stanford article brendan mckay writes previously posted quotations irgun participants totally destroys begin whitewash desire post brendan apparently sort judge jury declare total victory back enjoy applause picked wrong topic rigged quotations sustain legend deir yassin massacre learn historical methodology basic level difference weighing evidence fairly finding quotations support preset opinions studied history israel sources quotations grind careful quote meir cite general scholar hero mouth gold fact lack experience shows fanatic embittered leftist anti israel blathering forget anti irgun blathering considered treason israel contexts find juicy quotation attack israel benny morris hashomer hatzair represents scholar rehashes attacks irgun fooled zionist ideological catfight surfacing attack likud government closely section deir yassin book independence indictment pure decades digging sort damning evidence book parades scholarly forced footnotes deir yassin account based deir yassin massacre place propagandists sabra shatila massacres feeling people blame jews massacres make sound spicy jews reasons confuse deir yassin massacre stuff facts scholarship stick begin version find contradict 
israeli terrorism organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet hamaza salah nntp posting host hela cwru tsiel writes israeli soldiers killed hamas mujahid anti tank missile terrorist zionists able body desintegrated missile missile directly body desintegrated destroying houses kill surgical operation freenet 
israeli terrorism organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet hamaza salah nntp posting host hela cwru magil writes surprises story made front pages major newspapers love make state israel evil humanly story eaten papers explain heard expecting reply story dreams remind jewish colleague stories holocaust including holocaust memorial museum eaten papers wait build muesums freenet 
turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece armenia azeris organization university rochester department electrical engineering article maths unsw writes heard turks surpises read remember treaty sevres consequence axis powers turks international supposed minorities greeks armenians kurds turk kurd relations improving slightly time pose threat turkey neighbours turks blatantly rejected treaty germans grudgingly accepted versailles million times worse health pride german people greeks army british french backing enforce sevres possibly appeasement young turk government managed screwed treaty laussane weak allies greek forces destroyed smyrna occurred incidently french warships harbour greeks escape swam french warships climbed aboard arms french clawed sides ships libertae egalitae fraternatae supposed reading major difference opinion legitimacy sevres thattreaty signed ottoman empire legally bind republic turkey independence movement young turks naturally rejected hand accept germans absurd cosequences harsh treaties hitler sevres treaty worse versailles divided ottoman empire influence zones capital occupied economy allied control army minished police force short country live conditions record donot feel soldiers killed izmir harbour evacuating city greek forces burned serves fooled allied promises fault anatolia enforce sevres part plunder burak ucer 
lezgians astir azerbaijan daghestan organization georgia institute technology lines shit face david dont shitty writings posted told itchy fucking country dont give freedom speach bullshit freedom ended started writing things people translate ebenin donu butti kafa david anacim hade timucin kaan timucin georgia institute technology atlanta georgia uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism internet gatech 
deir yassin organization universite montreal lines massacres deir yassin sabra shatila good jokes thing jewish killing wwii palestinians davidians fourty years fact killed time place people killed vietamiese vietnam killed american napalm pyromaniacs jews chambers forced thought snifing cocaine stupid stupid time intelligently sincerely hassan 
brendan mckay clarifies nazi racial theory organization cirrus logic lines brendan mckay rescue nazi racial theory distressing brendan point eugenic solution jewish problem elias proposed smacks pure nazism fact elias proposal cast entire problem abnormal presence israeli society middle east buried slam israel midst handed solution jewish question made obvious mind disolving jewish polity nazi doctrine rectification abnormal presence jewish people larger body politic solution involves monetary incentives poor jews marry feisal husseini disolve zionist entity forcing engage normal surrounding arab culture engaged nazi project obvious statement comment lack elias proposal striking glancing blow brendan easily comment complicitous fascination nazi racial theory chris metcalfe article brendan mckay writes unconventional proposal peace middle east elias davidsson emergence considerable number mixed marriages israel palestine relatives sides divide make conflict lose ethnical unsoluble core strengthen emergence civil society existence strong mixed stock people integration israeli society sounds racial theory hitler outlined mein kampf similar comment lack elias proposal distressing people profoundly ignorant nazi racial doctrine elias idea opposite nazis believed racial purity racial assimilation instructive nazi attitude gypsies nazi theoreticians gypsies aryan race persecuted huge numbers murdered european gypies considered pure gypsies mongrels formed pure gypsy race undesirable races difference theoretical approach jews gypsies true wwii purist gypsies hunted theory forgotten brendan email 
legality jewish purchase organization nysernet lines question motives arabs sold land jews publicly criticizing sale land jews jews arabs advantage prices jews paid barren land times price fertile land sold united states time alan stein astein nysernet 
anti zionism racism organization nysernet lines writes syria expansion author writes thought zionism racism wrong correct time zionism racism thankfully mcgill daily student newspaper mcgill proud print article copy send mail steve felt important letters steve left subject header alan stein astein nysernet 
turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece armenia azeris organization university virginia lines article writes message napoleon responds couple millions greeks living asia minor protect taking advantage weakness ottoman empire grab land green lights allied forces occupied izmir cities western turkey killed raped millions people reason paid price mustafa kemal ataturk made swim aegean aggressions turkey anytime past reward swallow propaganda truth british promised venizelos greek greek populated areas ottomans greece agree drag greece side british greek king progerman british succeeded bombarding athens killing forcing abdication king division greece separate states north south finally laying ground disasterous division greeks century feel bitter allies gave green light british succeed establish venizelos starts front germans south fighting east russians finally wwii british french forgot immediately promises publicly support greek practically usual reasoning crap rhetoric pretext gradually backup kemal british water bread dissolve superethnic ottoman contract small ethnic state main drive british switch plan muslim state region buffer russian expansion warm water facilities greek empire orthodox christian state prone russian client intrigue current state affairs established lands venizelos kemal promoted true giants british worked realize goals region plan greece turkey recipients military funds functioning anti russian buffers simultaneously remain good clients state dept terror changing balance power aegean exact rational cyprus problem make anti rhetoric situation region previously mentioned powers special fucntioning functions history selectively single relevant current afairs 
rmenia shoot turkish planes organization center regional studies lines armenia shoot turkish planes david ljunggren moscow april reuter armenia accused turkey friday flying weapons troops armenian airspace azerbaijan strongly hinted shoot planes local journalists yerevan separately itar tass news agency armenian forces halted latest offensive swallowed tenth azerbaijan tensions transcaucasian region soaring journalists armenian capital quoted armen duliyan head armenian defence ministry press centre ankara sending planes times azerbaijan arms troops armenian leadership warn turkey impermissibility actions journalists quoted duliyan steps pursued future recourse measures means including modern anti aircraft units turkey shares border armenia supported azerbaijan conflict armenian populated nagorno karabakh region people killed fighting erupted turkish foreign ministry friday plane azerbaijan humanitarian turkish foreign ministry spokesman thursday comment directly report hurriyet newspaper consignment rockets rocket launchers ammunition light weapons arrived azerbaijan turkey duliyan turkey sending trucks carrying troops arms bordering azeri autonomous territory nakhichevan flown armenian airspace azeri capital baku responsibility consequences borne country affording military assistance airspace armenia denies formal role conflict troops involved fighting enclave tass karabakh forces decided friday suspend offensive entire armenian azerbaijani front karabakh authorities reportedly ready give independent inspectors chance spot enclave leadership striving achieve ceasefire agency armenian president levon petrosyan called stage ceasefire karabakh arrived belarus capital minsk friday summit commonwealth leaders stage settlement involve ceasefire securing protection karabakh population tass quoted ceasefires brokered conflict collapsed stage involve discussing finding solution legal issues clarification status nagorno karabakh republic declared full independence year move recognised country armenia insists separate karabakh delegation part future peace talks azerbaijan rejects local news agencies baku friday interior minister iskender gamidov fiery nationalist hardliner territorial dispute armenia resigned turan news agency quit thursday cleared office khabar servis agency replaced military commandant baku police major general abdullah allakhverdiyev official confirmation david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
rmenia shoot turkish planes news software vnews organization university tennessee computing center lines dear friends graduate student education university tennessee part requirements research class music education designed questionnaire colect data research project study intends determine techniques teach music deaf experience music education deaf project appreciated exchange ideas subject matter feel working area brazil brazilian pleased results hope inquiry inconveniences time consideration questionnaire teaching music deaf children address mail employing institution years experience grade level educational background bachelor masters doctorate professional field special educ music educ checked major school systems require music taught deaf children school systems thought possibility teach music children hearing limitations questionnaire designed find teachers face issue teaching teaching music deaf part study determine teachers attitudes music programs deaf children directions read questions circle number describes attitude music deaf children left column circle applicable task column strongly disagree disagree neutral applicable agree strongly agree competencies deaf children educated music deaf children regular music classes special music teacher posses training variety communication methods deaf children preparing lessons teacher mind deaf children present special order participate musical activities deaf normal hearing children music classes succesful music experience deaf child depends teacher creativity commitment subject matter deaf children learn music musician performer deaf children able discriminate recognize sounds deaf children distinguish loud soft sounds deaf children match music head note musical instrument material start music classes deaf folk songs replaced military commandant baku police major general abdullah allakhverdiyev official confirmation david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
republic turkey sold tones armenian bones keywords april anniversary turkish genocide armenians organization center regional studies lines yarn cargo human bones copyright york times company special cable york times paris marseilles excited weird story arrival port ship flying british flag named carrying mysterious cargo tons human bones consigned manufacturers bones loaded mudania marmora remains victims massacres asia minor view rumors circulating expected inquiry instigated reference york times december page column bottom commemorative anniversary turkish genocide armenians remember crime armenian shadow emerging turkish proto fascist state names demand justice april turkish government began systematically executed population eastern anatolian homeland armenians genocidal extermination genocide insure turks exclusively ruled geographic area today called republic turkey result million murdered billion dollars armenian property stolen plundered genocide ended years armenian civilization lands today turkish government continues scrape clean vestige prior armenian existence lands today turkish governmental policy write history manufacture distortion generate excuses genocide armenian people face refutation nauseam turkish historical society cronies shamelessly continue deny genocide occurred policy demonstrates modern genocide effective state policy remains redressed punished crime unpunished crime encouraged adolf hitler years successful genocide armenians turkey claims systematic deportation armenians armenians removed city town village turkey armenians resisted deportation massacre referred rebels turkey claims genocide armenians turkish population figures today show armenians eastern turkey armenian homeland turkey claims armenians small minority turkey claims armenians threat final insult victims republic turkey sold bones approximately murdered armenians profit europe today turkish government enjoying fruits genocide success genocide hangs heads turkey kurdish population armenians demand recognition reparation return armenian land property lost result genocide armenians demand justice ermeniler adalet istiyor david davidian sdpa armenia learned lesson center regional studies anatolia forgotten punishment inflicted cambridge late turkish president turgut ozal 
armenia shoot turkish planes henrik lines nntp posting host viktoria reply hilmi hilmi eren organization dept computer systems sciences stockholm university student regional killings alias davidian davidian religios sect writes greater armenia stretch karabakh black mediterranean term greater armenia care finally dream mediterranean area greater years holocaust numbers azeris announced winning karabakh removing armenians president azerbaijan elchibey power year announced swimming lake sevan armeniaxn july july sweden april cold changed calendar wrong elchibey shell armenians karabakh aghdam people price elchibey shell karabakh fizuli people price elchibey thinks bombing armenia hills kelbajar people price mentioned true true azeri women children price raped killed tortured armenians hearded called geneva convention facist ohh forgot armenians fight forgot killings rapings torture kurds turks time kurd refugee story stories simple fabrications sourced baku modified ankara examples armenia border iran ridiculous story intercepting armenian military conversations appeared york times supposedly translated unknown armenian azeri turkish submitted unnamed special correspondent times baku real accurate ohh swedish redcross workers regional killer person shoot policy search turkish planes talking content announced weapons mouth ozal military weapons provided azerbaijan turkey demirel confused confused facist delete text change wrote search turkish planes talking turkey government announced giving weapons correct turkish planes simply shot nice slow moving transports shoot armenian bread butter arms personel russian army hilmi eren stockholm university 
zionism racism organization dept informatics university oslo norway lines originator michaelp article writes syria expansion author writes thought zionism racism wrong correct time zionism racism thankfully mcgill daily student newspaper mcgill proud print article copy send mail steve article zionism majority people heard emitting ignorant statement zionism political situation middle east steve lets zionism michael 
news briefs organization rechenzentrum planck gesellschaft garching lines distribution world nntp posting host garching mack posted statistics significance small population growth rate sampling period small small cent annual population growth rate implies doubling approx years imagine people able deny problem exists industrialised countries growth rates large environmental impact iran high growth rate threatens things accelerated desertification intensive agriculture deforestation water table drop similar california year rain save stanford blame current government incompetence dropping living standards iran gruss bruce scott deadliest bullshit planck institut fuer plasmaphysik odorless transparent garching gibson 
ccounts anti armenian human violations azerbaijan summary prelude current events nagorno karabakh organization center regional studies lines accounts anti armenian human violations azerbaijan prelude current events nagorno karabakh slaughter armenians afraid moscow heard moscow watched listened realized joke deposition yuri vagarshakovich musaelian born line electrician sumgait streetcar trolleybus administration resident building apartment block narimanov street sumgait azerbaijan spent february overhaul short work worked eleven eleven thirty left home decided short walk primorsky park walked past eternal flame group people standing walked yards heard screech automobile brakes turned head sound light blue volga people standing woman expensively dressed suit woman raincoat head hair sightly reddish hair heavy woman years trunk people start curious pulling close heard turn tape recorder ground eternal flame honoring baku commissars formed tight circle tells listen azerbaijanis asked azerbaijani hear appeals brother muslims time line understand walked group owner tape recorder circle drew tighter people started coming directions comments started slaughter armenians afraid moscow heard moscow watched listened realized joke quietly left home work heard karabagh demonstrations people kinds things idea wife home daughter aunt house baku wife drank clock house suddenly noise whistling shouting looked window crowd crowd moving slowly show blacks south africa striking demonstration move slowly wife asks outdoor clothes find crowd people shouting armenians death armenians waited entire crowd pass narimanov street side club city party committee turned traffic street baku commissars streetcar line home told wife demonstration fact thought kind demonstrations yerevan karabagh things shouting surprised young people crowd minors draft wife wanted upstairs visit friend kind uneasy stay home hour hour half keeping track time long crowd narimanov side microdistricts bazaar rossiya movie theater clothes noise uproar crowd grown people time individual shouts time focused aggressive wrong demonstration stop walk quickly make sharp dashes walking sidewalk street thinking watch knew leading lenin square square club side city party committee square heard noise shouting town turned sort rally closer hear exclamations appeals heard anti armenian anti soviet appeals perestroika living living azerbaijanis work people live expense government expense speculation theft cheating time azerbaijan republics azerbaijan rally armenians apartments drive beat drive true hear kill microphone heard beat drive stayed square minutes longer stage stop crowd side crowd small groups people ministry internal affairs state security uniformed policemen pacify crowd people coming stage finally decided badly demonstration protect family left square return home suddenly noticed truck city party committee narimanov street stood shop truck wooden panels thing unloaded crates sort decided appeals apprehensive thought weapons pulled crates square city party committee club cases vodka people handing cases truck ground people handing truck case carried people people case vodka standing truck handing roundish black lumps size fist bigger smaller anasha passed person stood side yard half people standing package hand pulling anasha handing smoked people smoke times strolled asked glass bazaar heard howling warlike shouting turned running thought caught carrying flags recognized person carrying flag side street young years carrying flag ermeni oryum written azerbaijani means death armenians live courtyard father father rafik cook head chef dark blue zhiguli sold white zhiguli family lived courtyard building narimanov street street baku commissars apartment entryway floor door left rafik brother lives rafik heard apartment eighth microdistrict word carrying flag death armenians surprised impression nonsense people sumgait azerbaijanis agdam kafan home wife upset told pass young kids whooped naturally overly upset surge crowd time breaking glass hear breaking machine motion handing vodka anasha people drinking smoking spot unloaded vodka hashish store window thought flashed head machine running stop police police breaking joking good time true time imagine government vaunted leadership afraid words people died women abused abominations imagine vaunted authorities specific touted authorities city sumgait imagine things place started breaking glass told wife upstairs neighbors grigorians fourth floor evening crowds started past stopped corner place called bazaar crowd yards entrance bazaar respectable years crowd running waved pointed bazaar crowd person wheeled raced bazaar soul past limits churned noise glass flying spent night neighbors apartment floor defend morning bread happening town hunched found happened people standing bread back gathered person lying hunched sort enclosing standing morning february rest yerevan reference sumgait tragedy pogroms armenians soviet azerbaijan volume eyewitness accounts edited samuel shahmuradian forward yelena bonner published aristide caratzas pages david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
iran terrorism links nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines washington senior state department official tuesday ruled softening attitudes iraq relations iran islamic regime improve substantially government disassociates international terrorism calling harsh rhetoric gulf position permanent hostility islamic republic iran david mack deputy assistant secretary eastern affairs primary objection iran international behaviour includes extending support violence disrupt arab israeli peace process rapid build dangerous weapons mack iran contribute regional stability peace behaviour threatens area mack spoke business conference aimed promoting gulf american trade middle east item high agenda administration importance gulf underlined secretary state warren christoper visit year saudi arabia kuwait world mack added long term plan station troops gulf mack insisted clinton administration continue pressure iraq comply security resolutions long iraq ruled saddam hussein expect compliance mack told delegates copyright 
final solution gaza uucp lines center policy research subject final solution gaza final solution gaza ghetto israeli jews fete uprising warsaw ghetto repress violent means uprising gaza ghetto attempt starve gazans gaza strip tiny area land highest population density world world weeks israeli occupier decided punish population gaza people denying leave strip seek work israel polish jews risked lives save jews ghetto israeli risked life gazan resistance gazans israeli jews dozens people humanitarian assistance gazan population resist occupation recognized international person sense justice population denied basic human rights entitled rise tormentors israeli regime gazans unworthy israeli citizenship equal rights israel considered worthy dirty work israeli hotels shops fields gazans born towns villages located israel live areas reserved master race nazi regime accorded residents warsaw ghetto administration selected jews pacify occupied population preventing form resistance jewish collaborators killed israel wishes rule gaza arab collaborators israel denies gazans options compatible basic human rights international israeli citizens full rights respecting determination concluded israeli jewish society gazans full human beings attitude consistent attitude nazis jews current policies israeli government cutting gaza consistent publicly expressed prime mininister yitzhak rabin gaza sink oneself israeli leaders entertain sinister goals gazans final solution sleeve urge slight human compassion gazans regain full human civil political rights entitled human beings elias davidsson iceland elias received isgate revision received rvik ismennt isgate isnet received rvik ismennt isnet elias elias davidsson message subject subject file transmission date charset ascii char status final solution gaza ghetto israeli jews fete uprising warsaw ghetto repress violent means uprising gaza ghetto attempt starve gazans gaza strip tiny area land highest population density world world weeks israeli occupier decided punish population gaza people denying leave strip seek work israel polish jews risked lives save jews ghetto israeli risked life gazan resistance gazans israeli jews dozens people humanitarian assistance gazan population resist occupation recognized international person sense justice population denied basic human rights entitled rise tormentors israeli regime gazans unworthy israeli citizenship equal rights israel considered worthy dirty work israeli hotels shops fields gazans born towns villages located israel live areas reserved master race nazi regime accorded residents warsaw ghetto administration selected jews pacify occupied population preventing form resistance jewish collaborators killed israel wishes rule gaza arab collaborators israel denies gazans options compatible basic human rights international israeli citizens full rights respecting determination concluded israeli jewish society gazans full human beings attitude consistent attitude nazis jews current policies israeli government cutting gaza consistent publicly expressed prime mininister yitzhak rabin gaza sink oneself israeli leaders entertain sinister goals gazans final solution sleeve urge slight human compassion gazans regain full human civil political rights entitled human beings elias davidsson iceland 
symbiotics zionism antisemitism uucp lines center policy research subject symbiotics zionism antisemitism zionism holocaust haim bresheeth point note appropriation history holocaust zionist propaganda zionism anti semitism impossible zionism agrees basic tenet anti semitism jews live jews history roots holocaust back long industru death destruction operate roots firmly century jewish aspirations emancipation emerged national struggles europe hopes liberation bourgeois democratic change dashed alternatives improving jews europe achieved prominence socialist bund mass movement enormous contend opposition small insignificant opponent political zionists outline offered diametrically opposed options jews europe bund suggesting joining forces rest europe workers zionists proposing programme aimed ridding europe jews setting form jewish state historically inevitable depends balance forces involved struggle history option tree time option chosen routes barred choice movement backwards point choice made impossible zionism option young jews remained minority position days reich zionist federation germany zvfd organisation representing tiny minority german jews selected nazis body represent jews reich flag interantional organisation allowed berlin international organisation allowed operate period marginal position leaders zionist federation propelled prominence centrality surprised sudden attained political power power based representation selected choice nazi regime dealing jewish problem position negotiating nazis agreements affected lives tens thousands jews germany transformed utopian marginal organisation germany countries europe real option considered german jews transfer agreement immediately nazi takeover jews world supported organising world wide boycott german goods campaign hurt nazi regime german authorities searched frantically disabling boycott clear jews jewish organisations pull campaign collapse problem solved zvfd letter nazi party early june outlined degree agreement existed organisations question race nation nature jewish problem offered collaborate regime realisation zionism hurt resentment jews abroad german development boycott propaganda carried germany ways essence unzionist zionism battle convince build eagerness gain credence backing regime zionist organisation managed undermine boycott main public signature transfer agreement nazi authorities zionist congress essence agreement designed germany jews country mandate palestine provided possibility jews sizeable part property country transfer german goods palestine denied jews leaving destination zionist organisation acting agent financial organisations agreement operated number fronts helping jews leave country breaking ring boycott exporting german goods large quantities palestine enabling regime humane reasonable avowed enemies jews argued jews belong europe jews agree news agreement broke boycott doomed zionist organization found deal nazis import goods argue boycott time interests movements presented german public complementary baron mildenstein head jewish department eichmann invited travel palestine early company zionist leader kurt tuchler spent months palestine wrote series favourable articles sturmer describing zionism nazis accept understand episode established relationship early days nazism regime zvfd relationship echoed number instances nature final solution clear cases meant silencing reports horrors exterminations book concentrating aspect zionist reaction holocaust post ugandan zionism crucible holocaust beth case kastner episode allen play perdition based normal excuse lack knowledge real nature events exist occured ussr advanced germany italy african bases lost nazis number countries rumania leaving axis front matter months western allies prepared forces midst find eichmann master bureaucrat industrial murder setting occupied budapest german takeover country april conference jewish leadership appoint zionist federation members headed kastner agent clearing house jews relationship nazr authorities difficult opposed poland half million jews lived ghettoes visibly rest polish population hungarian jews integrated part community middle class jewish jews middle class enjoyed freedom travel served hungarian fascist army fronline units officers soldiers names hungarian eichmann find exterminated task easy million jews hungary resident rest refugees countries heard fate jews statements nazi officials people information frightened jewish population judenrat case judenrat comprsied zionist federation members officers hundred hungarian police collected controlled million jews whereabouts kastner left illusions eichmann told joel brand members kastner committee intended send hungary jews auschwitz started expulsions told jews conditions committee faced simple choice jews hungary fate neutral rumania escape cases hours collaborate nazis assisting concentration process believed coming sounded plausible coming mouths zionist leadership hungarian jews quietly death assured leadership work camps thirty pieces silver narrative destruction trains prominents eichmann promised kastner promise detail eichmann bargain allowing jews survive price paid silent collaboration death million jews jews hungary located murdered full collaboration kastner friends doubt hunt jews scale operation miniscule compared half million died auschwitz important realise kastner aberration rumkovsky lodz kastner acted result strongly held zionist convictions actions logical outcome earlier positions instanced exposed gestapo existence british cell saboteurs palgi senesh persuaded give disrupt operations point trial kastner deny knew happen jews conclude role played zionists period connected role played alarming world happening europe information politically contrary priorities priorities simple furthers zionist enterprise palestine price lives individuals jews jews secondary process requires dealing fascists nazis assorted dictatorial regimes world 
hebrew labor racist connotations uucp lines center policy research subject hebrew labor racist connotations avoda ivrit hebrew labor hebrew labor concept served zionist movement long time double barreled message learn physical labor working land land country pass jewish hands learned work aspects pronged concept hebrew labor racist connotations hand diaspora lack training physical labor myth shared zionists antisemites hand meaning practice displacement arab farmer source livelihood occupation cheap palestinian labor streamed occupied territories factories orchards houses israel relegated myth hebrew labor history books nostalgic memories zionist movement blossomed anew government answer problems caused closure territories today concept functions give progressive closing palestinian population words environment minister yossi sarid tears rich cheap labor furnish answer unemployed israeli complains obliged work wages lower unemployment insurance receives israeli government plans import labor east replace native people palestinians work country creating conflicting interests ethnical communities ruling 
spying case organization information sciences institute lines distribution world nntp posting host angeles times tuesday april details extensive operation emerge inquiry transcripts reveal years espionage infiltrated political groups richard paddock times staff writer francisco world bullock small time dealer operated house castro district reality undercover picked garbage amassed secret files anti defamation league years code prominent jewish organization successful infiltrating political groups chosen head arab american delegation visited nancy pelosi francisco washington office time tapped phone message system white aryan resistance learn hate crimes police sources obtained privileged personal information people surreptitiously agents south african government trade knowledge crisp bills secrets bullock david gurvitz angeles based operative divulged extensive interviews police growing scandal nation wide intelligence network operated anti defamation league officials anti defamation league denying improper activity cooperate investigation refused discuss bullock gurvitz transcripts interviews pages documents released francisco prosecutors week offer details private operation authorities allege crossed line illegal territory times intelligence activities cloak dagger laundered payments shredded documents hotel rendezvous foreign agents code names ironsides flipper occasion gurvitz recounts received palestinian activist board plane bound haifa israel anti defamation league publicly denies ties israel gurvitz phoned israeli consular official warn shortly afterward official called gurvitz back debriefed court papers added mystery gerard agent francisco police officer accused providing confidential material police files anti defamation league gerard fled philippines fall interviewed left briefcase police locker contents included passports driver licenses identification cards names identification cards american embassies central america collection blank birth certificates army discharge papers official stationery agencies briefcase extensive information death squads black hood apparently interrogations photos blindfolded chained investigators suspect gerard police sources gave confidential driver license vehicle registration information vast number people including members target group arab american anti discrimination committee case obtaining data enforcement officer constitute felony francisco police inspector roth noted affidavit search warrant anti defamation league jewish defense civil rights organization acknowledges long collected information groups anti semitic extremist racist fact finding division headed irwinn suall york enjoys reputation thoroughness shared information police agencies journalists evidence seized bullock computer shows files groups political stripes including american civil liberties union earth island institute united farm workers jews jesus mother jones magazine center investigative reporting gritz president committee asian caucus aids activist group computer files included information members congress including pelosi house armed services committee chairman dellums berkeley republican pete mccloskey area statements bullock gurvitz anti defamation league collected information political activists angeles area years worked closely angeles county sheriff deputies specialized intelligence work angeles police department anti terrorism expert diego county sheriff department intelligence officer spokesman angeles sheriff department knew contact deputies angeles police department earlier refused cooperate investigation diego sheriff department declined comment bullock intriguing characters drama jewish began working undercover volunteer indiana reading book infiltrated communist party bullock moved angeles paid position intelligence operative told authorities moved francisco continued operations west coast identity secret salary funneled beverly hills attorney bruce hochman missed payment years bullock investigator investigated anti democratic movements bullock officially contract worker bruce hochman league officially connected bullock master infiltrating groups communists arab american radicals skinheads adopting alias elmer fink kind told police recent years affiliation increasingly point confronted skinhead armed shotgun threatened kill helped francisco police solve bombing synagogue combing trash extremist cory phelps matching handwriting samples threatening letter obtained police part investigation close friends gerard time working francisco police intelligence division bullock frequently searched garbage target groups report noted investigated palestinian group bullock write reports based found trash share reports gerard bullock gave trash gerard gerard examine gerard return trash bullock wide range sources bullock compiled files individuals political groups gerard files contained identical entries files people bullock gerard began selling vast wealth information south african government bullock tells meetings secretly south african agents francisco hotels receiving envelopes filled thousands dollars bills bullock insists information sold consisted data culled public sources rewrote innocuous item published francisco chronicle columnist herb caen south african bishop desmond tutu wife prominent attorney melvin belli submitted work bullock gerard sold official police intelligence bullock split south african government evenly gerard telling point straight arrow interviews police bullock talked freely engaging activities prosecutors violate bullock admitted receiving driver license records criminal histories gerard people fraction confidential police data found computer gerard gave complete francisco police department intelligence files nazi groups supposed destroyed department policy bullock received confidential report nation islam shredded anti defamation league francisco office bullock proud operation eavesdrop paid informant code named scumbag white aryan resistance phone message network listening messages left members wing group short time wonderful told police angeles operative gurvitz hired years fact finder intelligence files occasionally undercover meetings target groups things told francisco authorities angeles office record arab american anti israel leanings wrote letter newspaper expressing sentiment gurvitz recently forced resign incident attempted misuse intelligence network seek revenge rival gurvitz wanted simon wiesenthal center holocaust studies gurvitz confidential police data rival threatened expose jewish wing hate group gurvitz begun cooperating police probe providing considerable information operation unlike bullock assured subject investigation gurvitz declined father angeles interviewed times bullock attorney client comment yigal arens made arens 
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zionism racism distribution world lines michaelp michael schalom preminger wrote article writes syria expansion author writes thought zionism racism wrong correct time zionism racism thankfully mcgill daily student newspaper mcgill proud print article copy send mail article zionism majority people heard emitting ignorant statement zionism political situation middle east steve lets zionism assuming hear listening told zionism racism tautological statement sessions speaking note network address tnet author tmail mail news shell 
armenia shoot turkish planes organization iowa state university ames lines article henrik writes article oyalcin onur yalcin writes deleted interested provide number references issue send email stupid references greek friends info needed read articles generous narrow margin stupidity accepting references greeks fine sincere offer saves effort half brained library check bunch sources decent objectivity good friend stay roads onur yalcin onur yalcin oyalcin punto 
nazi eugenic theories circulated organization department redundancy department lines article center policy research writes proposal nazi eugenics search peace enable justice justice jews fled expelled permitted return homeland jews expelled homelands iraq syria jordan algeria deserve justice called pragmatism nice word legitimizing rule strong called justice criticism directed israel arab states guilty accusations make call palestinean peace justice peace land peace formula foolish land land peace peace cost arabs consideration forget half israel population refugees arab countries land occupied arab states homes lived arab people included negotiations prescription peace conviction situation state attempts discourage mixed marriages israel normal state resembles nazi germany south africa western democracies united states jews free marry thousands managed overlook fact arab states restrictive points fact officially judenrein policies arab states makes resemble nazi germany chillingly closely american jews enjoy fact love live state termed christian state green cards stamped mark states christians live happily official religions christian majorities christian based laws dozen arab islamic states jewish state problem jewish state agree genuinely interested exchange views personal experiencces refrain emotional infantile outbursts leed readers infer jews respect judaism uncivilized behaviour good judaism arrived recently supporters arab islamic camps frequently massively guilty emotional infantile outbursts weakened positions dramatically criticisms sided simple minded fund coming jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
questions israel organization department redundancy department lines article arens yigal arens writes issue trial closed doors arrest trial imprisonment complete secrecy appraently attempted case vanunu failed happened reason lengthy article quote imply states akin article usaf captured ufos supporting liklihood assertion read ariv february possibly publication baruch involved matter politely refused request subject delicate comment implicitly admitting true mention specific case hint guilty making public legally published words telling pesky reporter guessing israel maintains attitude nuclear weapons maintains attitude presence nuclear weapons specific naval craft refusing acknowledge existence weapons specific ships warships unwelcome zealand declared nuclear free zone state israel officially admitted years prisons israeli citizens sentenced long prison terms fact arrest crimes accused made public precisely court ordered publication fact arrest imprisonment usaf officially admitted ufos israel citizens imprisoned citizens country knowing knowing fact person thrown prison security offenses complete secrecy stated fact supporting evidence convincing reporter sitting jail lost world suggests elvis israel people publicizing arrests legal proceedings disappearance explained people relatives friends colleagues israel place people made vanish care give list people whereabouts unknown people presumed imprisoned conspiracy story associate yigal arens jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
republic turkey sold tones armenian bones keywords april anniversary turkish genocide armenians organization university illinois urbana lines sdpa david davidian writes commemorative anniversary turkish genocide armenians remember crime armenian shadow emerging turkish proto fascist state names demand justice april turkish government began systematically executed population eastern anatolian homeland armenians genocidal extermination genocide insure turks exclusively ruled geographic area today called republic turkey result million murdered billion dollars armenian property stolen plundered genocide ended years armenian civilization lands today turkish government continues scrape clean vestige prior armenian existence lands today turkish governmental policy write history manufacture distortion generate excuses genocide armenian people face refutation nauseam turkish historical society cronies shamelessly continue deny genocide occurred policy demonstrates modern genocide effective state policy remains redressed punished crime unpunished crime encouraged adolf hitler years successful genocide armenians armenians demand justice ermeniler adalet istiyor david davidian sdpa armenia learned lesson center regional studies anatolia forgotten punishment inflicted cambridge late turkish president turgut ozal hear hear motion seconded hovig hovig heghinian university illinois urbana champaign department computer science 
israel expansion organization university virginia lines understand israel captured teritory feels annex fully understand deal palestinians jews treated holocaust final solution hitler totally subsidize existance abuser human rights wondering 
israeli terrorism organization university virginia lines story biased disagree statement media ruin israels reputation rediculous media israeli media world lived europe realize incidences letter occured media ignore subsidizing israels existance europeans degree reason report atrocities shame austria daily reports inhuman acts commited israeli soldiers blessing received government makes holocaust guilt jews treating races power unfortunate 
armenia shoot turkish planes organization lines armenia shoot turkish planes armenia piss shooting modern planes 
news originator sehari iastate organization corp japan lines wrote kayhan havai namaki deputy minister health stated infant mortality year iran thousand revolution thousand month namaki stated revolution children received vaccinations protect deseases figure reached funny percent sign paragraph vaccination rate percent percent farzin 
frontline iran bomb nntp posting host umanitoba organization elect comp engineering manitoba winnipeg manitoba canada lines share netters points picked frontline program iran nuclear activities aired tuesday april sake brevity present separate points western programs program laid misinformation program maximize effect program viewer misinformations alleged late imam khomeini objected shah technological advancements anti islamic things changed proof change iranian merchants selling personal computers ridiculous lies make objectives islamic revolution toppling shah state technology iran revolution iran equally accused chemical weapons iraqi aggressors proof regard iraqi soldiers civilians injured iranian chemical weapons contrary world iranian soldiers civilians injured iraqi chemical weapons number martyrs sacred defense iraqi aggression officially announced radical counter revolutionary groups claim iran iraq total million dead program claims iran million dead left translation iranian officials talks true iranian head atomic energy hurts iran subject unfriendly propaganda translator hurts iran unfriendly research alleged devices material bought planned bought iranians countless dual usage program undermine military reference iran population inevitable sources energy future current deficit electrical power program show sharif university technology nuclear research center cameramen program country iran tightly closed society make nuclear bomb university taking account scientific advancement sharif engineering fields potential role improvement iran industries eventually lives people obvious persuading countries prevent helping university scientific industrial efforts point program justifications disvalidate efforts iaea numerous visits iran sites places visited iaea real rely iaea reports observation failed iraq nuclear activities iraq build nuclear weapons extremely personal opinion disgusting aspect program arrogance member senate foreign affairs william triplet talking talking absolute knowledge hope iranians aware gradual buildup country western media hope iranian authorities continue wise calculated approach regard international affairs peaceful coexistence friendly nations mohammad international atomic energy agency 
deir yassin nntp posting host darch organization rochester institute technology rochester lines article stanford filler writes article brendan mckay writes previously posted quotations irgun participants totally destroys begin whitewash desire post brendan apparently sort judge jury declare total victory back enjoy applause picked wrong topic rigged quotations sustain legend deir yassin massacre making noise learn historical methodology true learn people useless farts basic level difference weighing evidence fairly finding quotations support preset opinions times group studied history israel sources quotations grind careful quote true careful selecting quotes meir cite general scholar hero mouth gold fact lack experience shows fanatic embittered leftist bullshit fanatic prove blah cork anti israel blathering forget anti irgun blathering considered treason israel contexts find juicy quotation attack israel read mind benny morris hashomer hatzair represents scholar rehashes attacks irgun fooled zionist ideological catfight surfacing attack likud government closely section deir yassin book independence indictment pure decades digging sort damning evidence book parades scholarly forced footnotes deir yassin account based looked closely large number sources idea talking deir yassin massacre place propagandists sabra shatila massacres true accounts irgun arab propagandists begin feeling people blame jews massacres feeling opposite feelings people make sound spicy jews reasons honesty explain testimony members irgun found handwriting irgun archives aviv wounded arabs killed group prisoners massacred lehi proposed exterminating raid meeting reasons propose testimony rejected favour begin confuse deir yassin massacre stuff facts scholarship stick begin version find contradict funny carried unsupported evidence propagandists axes grind telling stick account leader alleged killers hopeless case plainly brendan 
israeli terrorism organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet hamaza salah nntp posting host hela cwru andi beyer writes story biased disagree statement media ruin israels reputation rediculous media israeli media world lived europe realize incidences letter occured media ignore subsidizing israels existance europeans degree reason report atrocities shame austria daily reports inhuman acts commited israeli soldiers blessing received government makes holocaust guilt jews treating races power unfortunate beyer freenet 
remember names election time keywords federal government international government nntp posting host organization school computer science carnegie mellon lines article nelson peter nelson writes bosnia large moslem population nations turkey saudi arabia syria egypt money strong military forces spoken forcibly offered bosnia spoken state christopher recent trip provided millions participated airlifts sarajevo supply military lift embargo arms sales turkish ambassador ocassionally thing great enthusism places hands dirty stuck stuff kuwait directly participated airlift food sarajevo case made military involvement apply equally liberia angola appears khmer rouge campaign cambodia whites count kuwaitis white oops forgot kuwaitis rich loaded petro dollars count peter 
remember names election time keywords federal government international government nntp posting host organization school computer science carnegie mellon lines article nelson peter nelson writes case made military involvement apply equally liberia angola appears khmer rouge campaign cambodia whites count kuwaitis white oops forgot kuwaitis rich loaded petro dollars count forget somalia white care 
final solution gaza nntp posting host orion organization university california irvine lines article center policy research writes center policy research subject final solution gaza israeli jews fete uprising warsaw ghetto fete word formally commonly refers positive joyous events misuse unsettling repress violent means uprising gaza ghetto attempt starve gazans abhor israeli policies attitudes abusive palestinians gazans comparison reality warsaw ghetto gaza gazan population resist occupation recognized international person sense justice international recognizes occupying entity maintain order face elements consciously attempting disrupt civil structure ironically international recognizes focusses occupied occupier inherently conflict israel denies gazans options compatible basic human rights international israeli citizens full rights respecting determination concluded israeli jewish society gazans full human beings israel continue present policies gazan residents alternative creation implementation jewish dhimmi system gazans palestinians benignly protected citizens find acceptable form regard islam policies minorities final solution sleeve race israel anti palestinian gazan final solution arab world anti israel jewish final solution favor urge slight human compassion gazans regain full human civil political rights entitled human beings justifiable worry parties israel arab palestinian final solution intentions exist important israeli palestinian gazan rights secured elias davidsson iceland clock graduate student department politics society university california irvine home irvine 
legality jewish purchase nntp posting host cunixa columbia reply columbia amir rosenblatt organization columbia university lines article zbib writes amir rosenblatt writes zbib writes mind sell freedom dignity palestinians exception heard anti trust business world debating legality commercial transaction laws governing guidelines ethics transactions basic anti trust purchase stocks purpose investing acquire large number shares intent controlling make intentions clear apriori jews purchased properties palastenians designs buying dwelling real estate establishing bridgehead european jews palastenians sold properties jews tradition arab hospitality multi ethnic multi religious society accepting jews neighbours religion paid fair market victims international conspiracy conspiracy theorist hard dismiss address point jewish national fund bought land palestinians part tenant farmers fallahin living land owned wealthy arabs syria lebanon offered premium deal owners advantage called commerce owners made provisions worked basically shafting selling land blame jews amir categorize sale land shafting sold jews fair assume fallahin mistreated jews norm commerce read shafting arabs jews shafting part arab land owners notifying tenant farmers responsible make provisions leaving fate claim lebanese syrian landlords sold palestine true partially omits fact mandate treaty lebanon syria french rule palestine british obiviously landlord found foreigner palestine motivated sell price point land sold legally prices actual legal good business sellers left palestinians worked land poor situation interesting acknowledge palestinians shafted israelis jews share opinion absolve purchaser ethical commitments written share opinion mine agree fallahin caught circumstances control land sake greater arab unity arabs angry land sold jews illegal jordan happened business told answer response question intent purchase aimed controlling public assets land infra structure imho palestinians grounds contest legality purchase world court opinions purpose buying land provide space jobs jewish immigrants case matter purpose sales legal grounds contesting amir 
holocaust memorial museum costly organization brown university department computer science lines dgannon techbook gannon writes gannon readers newsgroups hail nazism post long articles claiming whites inferior holocaust memorial museum costly dangerous mistake museum funded private donations expect fact deter maynard gannon ideological fathers passion constructing museums collections served educate public racial supremacy aryans collection skeletons lack letter standartenfuehrer sievers obersturmbannfuehrer brandt november trial major criminals dear comarade brandt reichsfuehrer directed hauptsturmfuehrer prof hirt supplied needed research work anthropological researches reported reichsfuehrer skeletons prisoners jews required supplied auschwitz good doctor needed items complete research testimony magnus wochner guard natzweiler concentration camp natzweiler trial edited anthony webb recall mass execution prisoners women jews killed gassing place remember spring case corpses professor hirt department anatomy strasbourg danny keren 
yigal arens dangerous humanity organization information sciences institute lines nntp posting host reply ehrlich bitnet message article ehrlich bitnet gideon ehrlich writes article arens yigal arens writes angeles times tuesday april problem transffering government files yigal arens similar persons violate federal local american belong local american forum forum readers forum interested contents files nice yigal american authorities yigal arens dangerous aware government considers dangerous case current case claim illegally obtained disseminated information gathered state federal agencies standard interaction citizens refer things address phone number vehicle registration license information photographs interest person authoritative answer guess collected information engage political criticism israel agents israeli government agreement information collected passed israeli officials cases influence attempt influence people access jobs public forums matters brought court case unfolds california entitles people compensation actions proven previous posting shows california entitles people compensation absence specific consequences dissemination types private information yigal arens made arens 
questions israel organization information sciences institute lines distribution world nntp posting host reply backon huji message article backon huji writes article center policy research writes true israeli prisons number individuals secret identities date trial imprisonment state secrets mordechai vanunu trial closed doors espionage case nutty professor ziona biological institute mole camera call state secret trial simply closed doors hate disappoint united states number espionage cases camera issue trial closed doors arrest trial imprisonment complete secrecy appraently attempted case vanunu failed happened reason read ariv february possibly publication state israel officially admitted years prisons israeli citizens sentenced long prison terms fact arrest crimes accused made public baruch involved matter politely refused request subject delicate comment implicitly admitting true mention specific case hint guilty making public legally published state israel officially admitted years prisons israeli citizens sentenced long prison terms fact arrest crimes accused made public precisely court ordered publication fact arrest imprisonment israel citizens imprisoned citizens country knowing knowing fact person thrown prison security offenses complete secrecy distant past days lavon affair heard prison years passed existed today longer found south american countries communist countries appears israel chair knesset committee constitution justice david zucker letter subject early week prime minister minister justice cabinet legal advisor ariv obtained content letter past years number israeli citizens imprisoned periods security offenses cases legal publication imposed specifics crimes prisoners convicted mere fact imprisonment cases legally convicted prisoners spend term prison public awareness imprisonment prisoner asserts zucker hand zucker agrees letter absolutely question cases imperative publication imposed specifics security offenses trials cases court weigh carefully deliberately circumstances trial held public imposition publication mere fact person arrest person sentenced prison justified state israel principle public trial public consistent disappearance person public sight descent abyss prison zucker decided turn prime minister minister justice cabinet legal advisor request question state israel strong withstand cost incurred abiding principle public punishment state israel allowed prisoners detention secret wrote zucker legal counsel civil rights union attorney mordechai shiffman civil rights union cases security prisoners citizens israel imprisoned imprisonment made public situation exists unhealthy censorship unhealthy matter union aware shiffman cases notification suspect arrest family members lawyers withheld speaking days cases detainee allowed meet attorney month arrest great secrecy suspect family lawyer journalist challenge publication court cases family members interested publicity journalist arrest happy attorney yossi arnon official claims laws exist israel today situation arrest person security offenses secret easier court orders publication committed security offenses spend long years prison knowing find situation acceptable attorney arnon live democratic country state affairs impermissible aware publication damaging standpoint security total publication silence unacceptable trial mordechai vanunu case charged aggravated espionage sentenced years prison trial held closed doors knew details authorized understand accept reasons noted aware imprisonment matter trust discretion court attorney arnon judges choice trust presentations made judges tools investigate government enormous power power misuse security issue attorney arnon legal system security expert democracy stands opposition security publicize matter arrest charges entering detail laws publication bans misused case rachel heller murder suspect murder held months matter made public attorney shiffman hand believes state security legitimate reason prohibiting publication suspect arrest convicted criminal imprisonment healthy situation aware fact mere publication harmful state security opinion expressed attorney shtendal advisor arab affairs prime ministers levi eshkol golda meir speaking isolated special cases situations contrast principle judicial proceeding held public doubt contradicts principle freedom expression principle individual freedom harmed prohibition publication adds shtendal legislator allowed possibility accommodate special cases damage consequence publication greater follow abridgment principles mentioned authority decide matters publication rest prime minister security services court rest assured authorize publication convinced shadow doubt attorney shtendal agrees rule phenomenon undesirable extreme step extreme circumstances yigal arens made arens 
unconventional peace proposal nntp posting host dzoo apollo organization hewlett packard company chelmsford lines article center policy research writes center policy research subject unconventional peace proposal unconventional proposal peace middle east elias davidsson stated assumptions state proposal fund established disburse grants child born couple partner israeli palestinian arab emergence considerable number mixed marriages israel palestine relatives sides divide make conflict lose ethnical unsoluble core strengthen emergence civil society existence strong mixed stock people integration israeli society sounds racial theory hitler outlined mein kampf elias davidsson post reykjavik iceland disclaimer opinions expressed mine employer 
confessions nntp posting host supergas reply nstramer ingr organization intergraph electronics lines article ahmeda mcgill ahmed abed writes irony jewish population problem electing leader confessed extra marrital affair american people problem clinton make difference long qualifications leaders political view hope arab hope binyamin netanyahu ellected prime minister israel naftaly naftaly stramer intergraph electronics internet nstramer ingr lookout road suite voice boulder quality watch 
public service translation keywords effective greek armenian postings organization center regional studies lines article gatech kaan timucin wrote kaan hell david davidian talks alter kaan david shut kaan attitute full lies shit united states refer freedom speech write prove wrong shut simply fade kaan hear mess turc submit bodily harm kill torture kaan hell wrong kaan timucin translate lines turkish english embarrassing turkish written place kill messenger david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
hamas methods murder nntp posting host cunixa columbia organization columbia university lines york times edit page transcript hams describing methods torture execution post 
legality jewish purchase israeli expansion lust nntp posting host bcarh reply zbib organization bell northern research lines adam shostack writes zbib writes surprised acquisition land jews arabs purpose establishing exclusive state hostile action leading purpose establishing state exclusive state state exclusive arab citizens ethnic composition israel formed purchase land hostile action land sell mutually agreeable price commerce hostile action leading mind sell freedom dignity palestinians exception heard anti trust business world debating legality commercial transaction laws governing guidelines ethics transactions basic anti trust purchase stocks purpose investing acquire large number shares intent controlling make intentions clear apriori jews purchased properties palastenians designs buying dwelling real estate establishing bridgehead european jews palastenians sold properties jews tradition arab hospitality multi ethnic multi religious society accepting jews neighbours religion paid fair market victims international conspiracy conspiracy theorist hard dismiss jews wanted live peace wanted exclusively jewish state jews control jews masters land living peace meaningless means living equal native arab leave options jews arabs citizens arabs stayed citizens choose vote jews adam devil details tangent reasonning return deportes leave rest nice number devide integer square root palestinians stayed stayed happened number tolerated defenseless ineffective minority wrong israel recall palestinian refugees talking millions civilians people left voluntarily reason israel experience tells palestinian knew home palestine refer exodus escape hell speak agrees sample opinions care rethorical israel gave citizenship remaining arabs maintain democratic facade western flowing israel western granted citizenship arabs remained granting citizenship facade wrong beleive israel democratic constraints dominant ethnic group jews israel options ethnic cleansing serbian style deserve wrath international community make condition show world good israel arabs personaly heard arab community isreal community history roots dead makes land arab explain contract land control ottomans ruled years left barely trace concept land identity foreign mobile pragmatic west partly concept natal native soil jews previous history region recent memory talking everyday life archeology fail establish jews history israel thousand years lots jews slaughtered crusaders israel thriving community gaza city roughly jews majority jerusalem onwards make land jewish stand corrected meant jewish culture predominant palestine recent history problem jerusalem jewish character predominantly jewish make rest palestine adam shostack adam harvard zbib bell northern research bitnet internet zbib voice surface mail stop station ottawa canada opinions 
rmenian admission crime turkish genocide reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines source leonard ramsden hartill bobbs merrill company indianapolis pages memoirs armenian officer participated genocide million muslim people paragraph tartar section town longer existed pile ruins destroyed inhabitants slaughtered fate befell tartar section khankandi paragraph city scene confusion terror early days russian troops invaded turkey large numbers turkish population abandoned homes fled russian advance paragraph tartar villages ruins serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
rmenian slaughter kurdish people reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines source hassan arfa kurds london russian armies invaded turkey sarikamish disaster columns preceded battalions irregular armenian volunteers caucasus turkey commanded andranik blood thirsty adventurer armenian volunteers committed kinds excesses hundred thousand kurds killed eastern vilayets turkey serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
eyes gouged fascist armenians armenian barbarism reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines atrocity reports horrify azerbaijan azeri officials returned town miles brought back dead children backs heads blown women children scalped assad faradzev aide karabagh azeri governor azeri television showed pictures truckload bodies brought azeri town agdam faces apparently scratched knives eyes gouged brian killen reuters washington times killings rife nagorno karabagh moldova journalists area reported dozens corpses including civilians azerbaijani officials armenians began shooting sought recover bodies fred hiatt washington post serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
armenians fascist historical armenian fascism reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines armenians deeply anti semitic edition hairenik weekly vice mayor bucharest rumania quoted armenians helped slaves jewish elements country edition author named captain george haig writes type imported palestine proud loose morals vices unknown arabs prior balfour declaration communist activities arab criticism uzun exposed armenians fascist pearl harbor dashnak daily hairenik confused tzeghagrons hairenik weekly expressed nazi sentiments adolf hitler herculean struggles spoke racial heart strings german opened fountain national genius strock spirit defeatism period world berlin conducted realistic organized planned policy hitler assumption power hitlerism fascism system government proved revitalized regenerated states germany italy captain george haig case palestine hairenik weekly friday september hairenik official organ dashnaktsuitune sept quoted john carlson armenian displaced persons endnote serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
hezbollah nntp posting host orion organization university california irvine lines article hernlem ncsu brad hernlem writes article tclock clock writes suggesting guerillas population cover israel totally back easiest attacking innocent shield hope respects innocent lives guerillas wrong assuming civilians cover assuming brad discussion bring elements addressed commented made comment wrong civilians cover israelis guerillas injured parties continue fight purpose army military uniforms members civilians civilians thought side combatants meaning intention effect army purposely uniforms civilians judging benefit receive cover important harm civilians comment israeli experience guerillas responsibility putting civilians middle fight putting uniforms living civilians barracks guerillas significantly lower risk civilians guerillas putting greater risk absolutely wearing uniforms ready made cover civilians makes sense point view cover guerillas accept responsibility subsequent harm civilians buffer zone prevent attacks israel working neccessary israeli guns pound lebanese villages kill infiltrate buffer zone shelling villages called retaliation back make sense shell villages shows reckless disregard israeli government lives civilians agree thought israel bombing sortees bombing policy stupid thoughtless inhumane ineffective reason israel passive wait attackers chose reason taking fight enemy stop attacks previously israel spent decades sitting passively side border acting stop attacks attackers entered israeli territory work host arab state stop attacks side border israel number attacks considerably higher physical psychological impact civilians caught path attacks israel neighboring arab states start hope happen occur arab states show prepared responsibility duty stop guerilla attacks israel soil prove provide guaratees israel accept word past attitude tolerance anti israel guerillas residence israel accept word imho business wasting time coming peace talks selectively applied statement reason drawn impasse ababs palestinians israelis side accept word criteria stay negotiations precisely palestinians recent pisga proposal interim period negotiations leading full autonomy demanding conditions essentially define autonomy trust israel follow entire process palestinians reach full autonomy understand accept viewpoint palestinians israel view arabs palestinians trust arab palestinians words reluctant give tangible assets land control areas exchange words reason concerned sorts guarantees arabs follow part agreement reached statement made ways lebanon interested peace accept word israel attacks disarming hizbollah remove continued occupancy absolutely arabs palestinians israelis word relation agreement demanded land issue land party finally hold land party totally irrelevent possession land words absolutely power israel chooses word land back afterall israel staged parts withdrawal areas occupied lebanon ignoring fact palestinians lebanon disarmed hezbollah remains independent militia hezbollah attack israel times burned sheikh mosavi wife young major armaments allowing people wage civil wars removed weapons needed cross border attacks remain extent rocket attacks continue commando raids require easily concealed weapons refined disregard human life attacks continue israel withdraw lebanon stop assassinating people shelling villages make lebanese guano situation call existed attacks commonplace hezbollah subsequently disarmed groups effectively disarmed state authoritarian syria lebanon constantly patrol entire border israel essentially mirroring israel border secirity side prove isreal committed protecting israel attack lebanese territory syria leaves lebanon able retain control syria stays thay dangerous israel time recall trouble syrian border syria lebanon israel lebanon sides receive tangible arabs palestinians land demanding receive prior giving israel israel problems real land exposing changed geostrategic situation change israel position land receive return compensate increased risks 
hezbollah nntp posting host orion organization university california irvine lines article colostate writes article tclock clock writes article colostate writes view entire matter serenely sided selectively naive ooh hurts suffer naive sided views mine skip articles future wise good basil point throwing sided viewpoints means ignoring side perspective experience legitimacy assuming side possesses faults bears responbility negative impacts event onesided naive feel opinion wrong strategic withdrawal cover snide remark favored tactic accomplish 
hamas death nntp posting host supergas reply nstramer ingr organization intergraph electronics lines hamas death transcript recruitment training videotape made summer qassam battalions military hamas islamic palestinian group hamas figures significantly middle east equation december israel deported palestinians lebanon response hamas kidnapping execution israeli soldier longer version appears issue harper magazine obtained translated tape yasir hammad hassan live nuseirat refugee camp gaza strip born finished high school attended gaza polytechnic work islamic university gaza clerk married daughters qassam battalions group palestine explicitly dedicated jihad holy primary concern palestinians collaborate enemy young women fallen prey cunning traps laid israeli security services enemies obliterate nation cooperation terrible crime important objective plague collaboration abduct collaborators intimidate interrogate order uncover collaborators expose methods enemy lure palestinians collaboration place addition naturally confront problem collaborators executing execute collaborator percent innocent victims tricked black mailed misdeeds decision execute collaborator based seriousness crimes collaborators recruited agent israeli border guard imperative executed dangerous israeli soldier treat israeli soldier group collaborators perform loathsome role enemy trap young women blackmail schemes force collaborators regard isqat process palestinians blackmailed collaboration single person greater crime killing demonstrator guilty causing repeated cases isqat religious duty execute group collaborators responsible distribution narcotics work direct orders security services distribute drugs widely victims addicted find unbearable quit impossible afford collaborate order drugs crave dealers executed battalions developed careful method uncovering collaborators afford abduct innocent person seize person reputation tarnished forever abduct interrogate collaborator evidence guilt established interrogation collaborator found guilty doubt executed cases make evidence collaborators public guilty public aware individual collaborator accuse people bound evidence people proclaim innocence irrefutable proof executed proof obtained form confession collaborator denies crimes start showing collaborator testimony chance serve people moment life confessing giving information repentance sincere victim kind talk convincing confess hold cases apply pressure psychological physical holdouts confess collaborator executed interrogation case collaborator working border guard intifada confessed involvement friend disclosed information addition members network collaborators told caused isqat evidence interrogate careful avoid wrongful executions case principal accused interrogated confesses crimes weeks complied list collaborators decide executed interrogation hundreds names fear hell mark mentioned execution execute collaborator public abduct interrogate collaborator shoot give locations collaborators strangled collaborator execute collaborator told strangle hated sight blood naftaly stramer intergraph electronics internet nstramer ingr lookout road suite voice boulder quality watch 
israeli press madness uucp lines center policy research subject israeli press madness written mideast forum israeli press madness israeli press paper zman aviv aviv time friday local aviv paper affiliated maariv date february journalist ehrlich subject interview soldiers served duvdevan cherry units disguise arabs operate occupied territories excerpts article written units disguise arabs things good falsehoods important problem units dealt serves cherry time insane called danny full editors served cherry discharge army works delivery called dudu serving cherry depart round world tour average israeli youngsters freshly discharged conscript service souls notice completely easy disclosures happened fellows cherry woundn easy began talk impossible make stop talking article horror stories recounted appalling openness short time command veteran team fellows applied release cherry called soldiers intifada command soldier talked stop common phenomenon cherry psychiatrist talk feel insane fridays home parents talked beach surf calm return keys father ready advance dare talk talk grab chair smash instantly nerve smashing chairs time running home beach normal friday eating lunch prepared mother omelette sorts risk sitting talking told mother event fresh mind told shot arab wound looked inspect began laugh hysterically wanted dared laugh straight face told made mincemeat arabs preparing molotov cocktails shot hitting beautifully deserved bullet molotov cocktail fire effect arab burning beautifully delighted fired bullets arab molotov cocktail chum straight felt pulled told mother mine split open guts belly arab spot reached spot arab blood gushing body spits yelled shut dared talk back hebrew laughed straight face laughing stare convulsing eyes told wait moment left order wounded arab asked soldier arab saved bleeding artery stopped stone telling mother details laughing straight face infuriated angry felt stopped eating seized plate omelette trimmings threw head stopped laughing madness falls frequently friend practice shooting field gull appeared middle field friend shot noticed deer standing high hill friend aimed shot enjoyed sight falling rock shot deer climbed rocks young deer badly wounded bullet milk dead mother carefully inspected paths covered blood chunks torn flesh deer delighted sight good decided kill young deer spare suffering approached revolver shot head times short distance shoot straight head bullets sinking bullet made brains fall ground effect splattering lots blood straight made feel cured spurt madness standing soaked blood felt beasts prey explain happened tears walking hill felt badly back places carried assignments disabled rest life feel power feel godlike sorts danny dudu contemplate moment studying acting dudu work security linked occupation danny feels exact opposite advantage skills mastered earn chopped head deliver mercenary south africa kind suits perfectly human emotions reasonable salary problem board plane bosnia order fight transl israel shahak 
israeli press nazi methods uucp lines center policy research subject israeli press nazi methods written mideast forum israeli press nazi methods israeli press newspaper aretz date february author gideon levi subject nazi methods gaza title neighborhood hope rubble excerpts mahmoud jowara stared long sadly worked entire life order built house left transmit full sadness face teach children hate expect happen child sees wraps lengthy silence face crumbling weeping mahmoud stood field rubble home term dispossession absolute meaning left accumulated entire life rubble house shreds belongings khan yunis demolished homes thursday search wanted people forces employed method fired bombed shot missiles explosives times past weeks destruction time horrifying scenes time largest number houses estimate completely demolished method brutal weeks tufah neighborhood gaza residents told remove valuables homes time army skipped part weeks handcuffed inhabitants demolished homes supplied water apple hours stand time water weeks allowed toilet time soldier gold piss shit pants thursday stood hours hands bound backs eyes blindfolded food pants legs terrible feeling humiliation hearts listening sounds explosions destroying homes juma fuad rubi brother saudi arabia emerges ruins days arrived family visit order celebrate housewarming father brothers thursday handcuffed hours view destrucion explain visitor physician shove rest urinated pants standing hands bound eyes blindfolded entire juma rubi studied medicine cairo university years treating wealthy saudis medina wife children remained documents lost return humanity stated physician saudi arabia 
israeli press torture uucp lines center policy research subject israeli press torture written mideast forum israeli press torture israeli press newspaper ariv date december author subject torture title article moderate physical pressure times long hours interrogation room tulkarm prison humiliated beaten tortured omar daoud jaber heard interrogator shabak agent captain louis chatting phone wife moments omar felt humanbeing finished talking beat listened conversation enjoyed understood human late october days detention tulkarm prison omar jaber released charges jews arabs good people people release tulkarm interrogations rooms find person human left detention installation tulkarm bruised humiliated home days hands shook nerves omar jaber lucky healthy entire ultimately returned normal functioning small solar heater plant owns contrast hassan bader zbeidi released weeks detention tulkarm days shabak wing surroundings speak react mustafa barakat aged arrested early august brought tulkarm detention installation left dead recently received large number testimonies cruel tortures employed tulkarm detention installation shabak interrogators noted gordon director association israel palestinian physicians human rights complain shabak excite anan saber makhlouf year student fact extremely fearful describing manner interrogated tulkarm prison case publication paper return detention lead renewed mistreatment follow description tortures omar tall bearded silent talk finally quietly time embarrased ashamed spoke beats beats kiss hand hand hands interrogator calls room interrogator kissing hand kiss things place israeli army detention installation located military government compound tulkarm west bank shabak interrogation wing separate kingdom early march allowed representatives tselem israeli information center human rights territories visit tulkarm prison denied access interrogation wing interrogation wing shabak property solely shabak responsibility interrogations performed lieutnant sharon commander installation internal report written tselem member yuval ginbar visit major david governing commander prison system central command quoted report ethical problem enter interrogation wing transl shahak 
turkish government agents usenet uucp hfrederick lines case governments follow events usenet tienanmien square beijing chinese government began monitoring cyberspace director peacenet aware incidents local state national international authorities monitoring usenet conferences institute global communications deal advocate illegal acts medium case concerned monitored encyrption software micro conference fact human rights activists balkan mideast area encryption software send reports international organizations message decoded large computers consuming time turkish government access howard frederick university california irvine department politics society 
israeli press short notes uucp lines center policy research subject israeli press short notes written mideast forum israeli press short notes israeli press hadashot march israeli police department announced evening friday march calling jewish israeli citizens permits carry times contribute security surroundings aretz march yehoshua matza likud chair knesset interior committee stated intends demand police department make clear public wounds kills jewish terrorists trial aretz march today private security firm units southern command begin installation magnetic gates gaza strip additional stage upgrading security measures strip gates searching jewish gaza residents leave work israel reveal presence knives axes weapons sharp objects addition gates operated private civilian company large quantities magnetic card reading devices brought inspection points facilitate reading magnetic cards jewish workers carry 
hezbollah organization department redundancy department lines article colostate writes people village regular inhabitants daily business work fields small shops older coffe shop drink coffee hard imagine quickly young aged years members lebanese resistance inhabitants village secretive people suspect standard method claiming combatant status commanders combat young supported financially iran time sneak arms ammunitions occupied zone booby traps israeli patrols time israeli soldier killed injured traps israel retalliates indiscriminately bombing villages choosing killing innocent civilians innocent civilians booby traps engaged shoot outs soldiers attack grenades axes accustomed israeli tactics figure rest world arab tactics claiming innocence guilty vile murderers long backfire good jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
basil opinions water brain organization department redundancy department lines article shaig shai guday writes litani river flows west southwestern direction buffer zone hasbani flow jordan contrary imaginative poster write increase inflow river proportional climatic rainfall bring israel stealing rain jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
israeli expansion lust organization department redundancy department lines article zbib writes jake livni writes zbib writes deleted zbib posting confused nonsensical warrant reasoned response jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
israel expansion organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host thor cwru comparison palestinian situation holocaust insulting completely false person making rude false comparison ignorant holocaust ignorant situation mideast anti semite compare complicated political situation genocide jews racist 
israeli terrorism organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host thor cwru reads israeli newpapaers state absolute certainty relies western media picture happening israel accurate picture tremendous bias stories reported stories mentioned create completely false picture mideast 
israeli terrorism organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host thor cwru readers jews living arab countries jews live countries circumstances arabic jews leaving homelands curious 
final solution gaza organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host thor cwru center policy research writes subject final solution gaza final solution gaza ghetto israeli jews fete uprising warsaw ghetto repress violent means uprising gaza ghetto attempt starve gazans comparison warsaw ghetto uprising insulting racist belief attempts quiet violence gaza strip efforts quell murder mayhem gaza strip resluts violence violence arbitrary racial move nazi treatment jews jews committed acts violence murder residents gaza find eagerness ignore acts murder anti israel bigotry gaza strip tiny area land highest population density world world weeks israeli occupier decided punish population gaza people denying leave strip seek work israel punishment protection repeated attacks residents gaza servingly omit references israel action apparaently deaths innocent israeli civilians enter equation racist ommission part polish jews risked lives save jews ghetto israeli risked life gazan resistance gazans israeli jews dozens people humanitarian assistance gazan population resist occupation recognized international person sense justice population denied basic human rights entitled rise tormentors israel protect citizens murderers recognized international israeli civilians stabbed death daily basis wave murder matter posturing basic human rights claim matter anti israel charade israeli regime gazans unworthy israeli citizenship equal rights israel considered worthy dirty work israeli hotels shops fields residents gaza applied israeli citizenship denied heard denials taking place document stupid innacurate propaganda truth gazan residents applied citizenship hamas murder collaborators gazans born towns villages located israel live areas reserved master race dare disgusting phrase easy attack people omit facts face pure racism judging people racists jews bigoted makeup ointment master race avoid months plane bosnian muslims left bosnia seek asylum middle east arab nations refused grant asylum israli arabs agreed responsibility allowed israel israel plane landed israeli arabs previously agreed care refused involved rescue project felt make israel good important avoid good israel care fellow muslims israel moved kibbutz safe secure truth time time islamic world turned back muslims israel case deportees lebanon called arab brothers freeze death give sanctuary lebanon palestinians murdered palestinians confrontations israel hundreds thousands palestinians deported kuwait palestinian truth phoney concern welfare palestinians excuse attack israel part ignorant effort confine concern welfare palestinians attacking israel truth greater reasons israel plight palestinians disregard jordan kuwait saudi arabia rich nations people plight poor people vehicle hatred jews hatred israel anti semitism anti zionism palestinian insists give hoots welfare nazi regime accorded residents warsaw ghetto administration selected jews pacify occupied population preventing form resistance jewish collaborators killed israel wishes rule gaza arab collaborators pathetic analogy absent relevant fact racism disguised jews declared polish people jews attacked poles knives ghetto staging ground attacks warsaw ghetto creation bother discuss uprising degrade dead show intelligent debate difficult situation intellectual purview read single word covenant islamic resistance movement arguably single anti semitic genocidal document mein kampf totally disregarded rantings racism evident eagerness avoid documentation considered deal mideast problems balanced manner anti semitic manner israel denies gazans options compatible basic human rights international israeli citizens full rights respecting determination concluded israeli jewish society gazans full human beings gaza obtained forget israel habit grabbing land hell gaza start land israel captures wars wars nations started israel subject completely international laws continuously refer international specific international laws israel violating attitude consistent attitude nazis jews cite reasons current policies israeli government cutting gaza consistent publicly expressed prime mininister yitzhak rabin gaza sink quote heard rabin assert wished thing general liar provide entire quote source effort regarded fabrications oneself israeli leaders entertain sinister goals gazans final solution sleeve loaded racist intellectually dishonest question inability terms turned racist highest order urge slight human compassion gazans regain full human civil political rights entitled human beings feel compassion jews iran iraq yemen saudi arabia syria inkling endured past decades plight palestinians kuwait treatment bosnian muslims residents gaza subjected muslims bosnia enduring indifferent death suffering people care folk exterminated care israel people safe haven fact israel killing people gaza exterminated killed raped starved driven lands receiving food supplies bosnians country provided sanctuary bosnian muslims nation devoted life attacking guise compassion rantings unfettered burden intellectual honesty deep breath real motives flatter belief truth compassion drives case clear hate beats love time burdened kind guilt born obvious hatred judaism dumped jews suggest racist idea breeding jews existence fits anti semitism result people extended period case clear labored hard realize care people hate begin good fruad 
hamza salah humanist organization brown university department computer science lines freenet hamaza salah writes beyer great humanist speaks read salah posters decribes jews sons pigs monkeys promising final battle muslims jews stons trees muslims kill jews hiding makes jokes jews dying heart attacks realize objective stance matters involved danny keren 
hamza salah humanist organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host thor cwru salah homicidal racist feel hatred christans jews family racists learn racism home made bigot racist racism accomplish impression racism bring peace east thoughts 
israeli terrorism reply freenet hamaza salah organization case western reserve university cleveland lines nntp posting host hela cwru previous article ishaq azzam previous article freenet mark kaufman readers jews living arab countries jews live countries circumstances arabic jews leaving homelands curious thought jews live arab countries move palestine happy jews move arab country prohipiting jews migrating palestine arab country syria migrated jewish state economical securital dilemma freenet 
deir yassin reply aurag umontreal message organization dept computer science brown university lines article aurag umontreal aurag hassan writes massacres deir yassin sabra shatila good jokes thing jewish killing wwii palestinians davidians fourty years fact killed time place people killed vietamiese vietnam killed american napalm pyromaniacs jews chambers forced thought snifing cocaine stupid stupid time intelligently sincerely hassan arab civilians yassin massacre village housed armed troops irgun stern fighters absolutely intentions killing civilians village attacked military significance fact warning occupants village leave attack begin rational standards yassin massacre killing unintentional village housed arab snipers arab troops attacked military significance attacked intentions killing civilians compare yassin arabs died holocaust absurd irgun kill civilians village inhabitants survived harry 
yassin reply aurag umontreal message organization dept computer science brown university lines myths facts leonard davis east research unlike exclusive focus civilian targets troups irgun stern group struck deir yassin april targeted village military importance deir yassin road jerusalem arabs blockaded housed iraqi troups palestinian irregulars snipers based deir yassin constant threat jewish citizens jerusalem arab civilians killed deir yassin attack conform propaganda picture arabs paint number arabs killed generally reported eric silver guardian britain interviewed survivor mophammed sammour testified population killed days massacre sammour explained representatives clans deir yassin moslem offices jerusalem made list people found alive names happend make figure wrong unlike deliberate attacks civilians killing civilians deir yassin premeditated attackers left open escape corridor village residents left unharmed remaining arabs feigned surrender fired jewish troops attackers killed arab soldiers civilians indiscriminately independent observers told guardian bodies found arab disguised women 
final solution gaza reply center policy research message organization dept computer science brown university lines article center policy research writes final solution gaza ghetto israeli jews fete uprising warsaw ghetto repress violent means uprising gaza ghetto attempt starve gazans elias families children stabbed high school palestinian freedom fighter offer gazans families israelis murdered month palestinian freedom fighters jews warsaw ghetto fighting families nazi chambers groups hamas islamic jihad fight expressed purpose driving jews persuade jewish people wnderful freedom fighters attain ultimate goal freedom fighters choose spare operative jews counting elias pity murderers mother jewish ashamed davidsson harry 
zionism organization university illinois urbana lines flyer distributed aipac annual policy conference israel told back back israel told back vocal influence quiet afford control afford jews rich cheap poor called dirty ignorant called called rich visibly organized secret jewish conspiracy secret jewish conspiracy told people told marry people called racist contaminating race fire left whites hate white whites hate white anti semitic incidents rising year told anti semitism exist paranoid told shut holocaust holocaust revisionism risng year obnoxious called japs nice told jewish anti semitism world wide people free complete work free desist reasons part jewish national liberation movement zionism 
method employed armenians genocide muslim people reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines source leonard ramsden hartill bobbs merrill company indianapolis pages memoirs armenian officer participated genocide million muslim people paragraph movement thousand turkish soldiers captured russians left hands russians abandoned struggle retreat karaklis thousand poor devils cruelly death sickened brutality displayed make effective protest mercifully shot burned death method employed quantity straw crowding turks fire straw serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
scenario genocide staged armenians years reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines scenario genocide staged armenians years soviet armenia reenacted time azerbaijan stories survivors karabag massacre milliyet today year hatin telling twin grandchildren pieces front eyes told kill babies front eyes year huseyin ibrahimoglu turkish village khojalu town blown hours killing children babies mercilessly turks year gulsum huseyin bayonetted year daughter stomach front eyes stories lies witnesses dreaming stories forged turkish journalists region nonsense claim clear writings british journalists days quoted sunday times article british reported events karabag turkish journalists pictures pictures people bayonetted eyes gouged ears armenian radio claim lies exaggeration means somethings happened situation reported village khojalu town destroyed hours gulsum huseyin year daughter bayonetted chest stomach massacre dimensions effects massacre karabag environs reduced word western press french newspapers ability close eyes complicity massacre yesterday gave samples figaro yesterday print news real events karabag printed french channels subject considered related karabag necessity protecting armenians azeri attacks living termed human rights lots organizations united nations csce conference security cooperation europe rules designed fight human rights violations international reactions made international cooperation support organization claiming civilized human rights violation live levels barbarity cruelty cooperation reactions intellectuals journalists writers stations western countries france fast claim leadership human rights serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
encore performance staged armenians reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines jews assembled doom nazi concentration camps nazi armenians germany formed armenian battalion fight alongside nazis battalion grown battalions strong command butcher architect cold blooded genocide million turks kurds armenian national council formed notorious dashnak party leaders berlin recognized nazis encouraged armenians summarily formed provisional government endorsed espoused fully principles nazis declared members aryan super race full participants hitler policy extermination jews armenian nazi conspiracy jews wwii encore performance staged armenians back stabbed exterminated million turks colluding invading russian army source adventures east rawlinson jonathan cape bedford square london published pages memoirs british officer witnessed armenian genocide million muslim people paragraph received definite information horrors committed armenian soldiery kars plain able judge discipline treatment detached parties wired tiflis zivin interests humanity armenians left independent command moslem population troops discipline effective control atrocities constantly committed justice eventually held morally responsible serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
turks speak reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article karage ctstateu angelos karageorgiou writes turks greece badly mistreated elected representatives greek government pardon greece government rail roads turkish ethnic deputies world human rights organizations scream greeks persistently work removing parliamentary immunity sadik ahmet ahmet faikoglu sadik ahmet turkish ethnic member greek parliament visits washington july doctor sadik ahmet ethnic turkish members greek parliament visited june july held meetings human rights organizations high level officials washington york press conference national press club washington sadik ahmet explained plight ethnic turks greece stated demands greek government ahmet hope greece pressure generated western capitals insisting greece respects human rights ethnic turks greece south african apartheid added facing pure greek hatred racial discrimination spelling demands turkish ethnic community greece restoration greek citizenship ethnic turks citizenship revoked excuse people stayed greece long greek citizens residing greece actively serving greek army turkish citizens greece subject kind interpretation extent greek americans greek citizenship permanently live united states guarantee turkish minority equal rights greek government accept turkish minority grant civil rights people waiting years driving licenses greek government granting building permits turks renovating buildings building turkish hired government offices greek government give equal opportunity business grant licenses participate economic life greece case denied medical license practicing surgery greek hospitals fact finished greek medical school steps career freedom expression ethnic turks allowed call turks subject number suits imprisoned called turk greek government provide freedom religion separate interview turkish times sadik ahmet stated conditions ethnic turks deplorable eyes greek laws ethnic greeks equal ethnic turks telephone subscribers selanik thessaloniki turks turks telephone services home businesses greek government changed election parliament independent representative stated fact openly minimum qualification requirement parties terms receiving votes imposed requirement independent parties including turkish candidates ahmet born small village gumulcine komotini greece earned medical degree university thessaloniki served greek military infantryman involved community affairs time collecting signatures protest unjust implementation laws ethnic turks arrested police collecting signatures serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
role sdpa slaughter gunduz ariyak arikan benler reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article sdpa writes tells turkish political spectrum exposed crimes personal role murder orhan gunduz kemal arikan muslims slaughtered sdpa publicly declared filed legal authorities spell people sdpa stated stand sdpa january angeles kemal arikan slaughtered armenians driving work march cambridge massachusetts prelude grisly murder gift import shop belonging orhan gunduz blown gunduz receives ultimatum honorary position executed refuses responsibility claimed jcag sdpa cambridge massachusetts orhan gunduz turkish honorary consul boston armenian terrorist ultimatum give title honorary consul attacked murdered cold blood president reagan orders manhunt avail witness gave description murderer shot survives falls silent revolting triumphs senseless mindless history armenian terrorism murder brings absolutely boost murderer armenian terrorist underworld wallowing satisfaction involved murder sarik ariyak december sydney nazi armenians massacre sarik ariyak bodyguard engin sever jcag sdpa claim responsibility public knowledge founder marxist leninist terrorist organization asala integral part asala sdpa hagop hagopian began notorious career member terrorist group perpetrated massacre israeli athletes munich olympics armenian foundation stole children turkiye fund criminal activities asala sdpa terrorists cold blooded murder defenceless turkish kurdish people armenian foundation provided billion asala milliyet armenian foundation based istanbul found provided billion turkish lira million armenian terrorist organization asala murdered turkish diplomats abroad experts international terrorism assert armenian terrorists proceeds drug trafficking armenian foundation fund deadly enterprises deadliest terrorist assassins carlos proclaimed spanish television organization entered working relationship armenian terrorists drug trafficking raise money continue slaughter innocent people personal organizational role scheme recent reports confirmed administration armenian terrorist organizations collaborating responsible bombing united states marine barracks beirut able crimes forever justice long overdue armenian genocide million muslim people source documents volume document archive cabin drawer file section contents office acting supreme commander acting assistant section director major sukru sufficient mention terrible shameful crimes committed erzurum idea armenian atrocities villages mention disgust abominable sight stain humanity encountered west hasankale regiment proceeding town young turkish women apparently beautiful lying dead side road huge stick inserted vagina corpses left spot invisible road serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
hezbollah nntp posting host cunixa columbia reply columbia amir rosenblatt organization columbia university lines article hernlem ncsu brad hernlem writes article tclock clock writes article colostate writes ignoring fact palestinians lebanon disarmed hezbollah remains independent militia hezbollah attack israel times burned sheikh mosavi wife young israel withdraw lebanon stop assassinating people shelling villages make lebanese hezbollah subsequently disarmed address point katyusha rocket attacks made lebanon fatah claimed responsibility realize katyushas disarmed page today york times faisal saleh high ranking fatah official month gunned beirut members nidal assasination attempts fued factions resulting deaths amir 
israel broacasts nntp posting host orion organization university california irvine lines article gfeygin eecg toronto gennady feygin writes schedule israel broadcasts languages posted mailed assistance greatly appreciated radio shortwave newsgroup 
forged posting forged posting forged posting summary generated live organization center regional studies lines posting forged ignore postings forged newsgroups culture turkish talk politics mideast talk politics forged soviet culture greek forged sdpa david davidian forged news software vnews forged organization university tennessee computing center forged date forged lines forged forged dear friends forged forged graduate student education university tennessee forged forged forged forged questionnaire forged teaching music deaf children forged forged forged address mail forged employing institution forged years experience grade level forged educational background bachelor masters doctorate forged professional field special educ music educ posting forged ignore postings david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
hamza salah humanist organization cybernet boca raton florida lines brown danny keren writes great humanist speaks read salah posters decribes jews sons pigs monkeys promising final battle muslims jews stons trees muslims kill jews hiding makes jokes jews dying heart attacks realize objective stance matters involved danny keren worry danny blatantly violent abusive posting made hamzah immediately forwarded operator system account imagine file started fruitcake rules governing racist threatening resources imagine hair short todd 
israeli terrorism organization university virginia lines israeli press biased reporting events doubt propaganda machine goering reported accurately happening germany interesting basing truth israeli propaganda 
binyamin netanyahu tonight organization university colorado denver lines article nabil columbiasc nabil idriss writes arab leaders cheat allowed wives implying arab leaders gays jewish gays arab leaders islamic rules applicable cases remember article year stated wife saddam mistress assad brother wife mistresses emirs gulf lifetimes wives double digitas manage time irrelevant takes infidelity make leaders ruthless corrupt netanyahu thought cleanse making public confession average secular israeli care mossad applauded 
israeli terrorism organization university illinois urbana lines andi beyer writes israeli press biased reporting events doubt propaganda machine goering reported accurately happening germany interesting basing truth israeli propaganda israeli reporting events israel propoganda washington post handling american events propoganda makes israeli press inherently biased opinion compare nazi propoganda provide evidence israeli inaccuracies parallels nazism suggest mouth shut sick tired anti semites comparing israel nazis opinion compare israel nazis anti semite damn true discredit israel 
israeli terrorism nntp posting host orion organization university california irvine lines article andi beyer writes israeli press biased reporting events doubt propaganda machine goering reported accurately happening germany interesting basing truth israeli propaganda truth arab palestinian news outlets understand learn form propoganda reliable determine writer political agenda side clock graduate student department politics society university california irvine home irvine 
armenians exterminated million muslim people reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article hovig uiuc hovig heghinian writes article partisan interests conversations terpetrosyan demirel sound simple soviet armenian government crime genocide million muslims admitting crime making reparations turks kurds criminal grandparents exterminated million muslim people hovig uiuc hovig heghinian hear hear motion seconded armenian clown counting asala sdpa crooks criminals prove mess criminal idiot forged existent junk trashed mutlu cosar akgun uludamar akman oflazer hundreds people asala sdpa criminals responsible massacre turkish people prevent entering turkiye trnc sdpa renounce charter specifically calls genocide turkish people racist barbarian criminal view touted fascist soviet armenian government step road genocide begin ahmet toronto parlakbilek ahmet subject yalanci liar davidian keywords davidian biggest liar message article davidian claims hasan mutlu liar sdpa david davidian message article ahmet toronto ahmet parlakbilek asked simple question show mutlu coras turk proven show tens lies fabrications davidian changing quote changing book anna obvious ridiculous armenians murdered million moslems outragious unsubstantiated charge read sample proven lies start yalanci parts deleted article usenet scribe turkish historical society hasan mutlu continues revise history armenian people witness operational definition revisionist yalanci liar turkish yalanci yalanci yalanci situation clear side peace loving turks yalanci side peace loving armenians sides minding yalanci affairs submerged blood fire yalanci waged committee yalanci dashnaktsutiun society ittihad terakki cruel yalanci savage defense party political interests dashnaks yalanci incited revolts relied russian bayonets success yalanci yalanci kuper genocide political twentieth century yalanci york text bookstores libraries page find discussion related atrocities title chapter topic page concerns submissions commission prevention discrimination minorities commission human rights united nations respect massacres cambodia mention turks armenians claimed sarsak yobaz yalanci turk milletinin karasi mutlu depth foolishness turkish historical society engages covering turkish genocide armenians surpassed ridiculous historical material publicly displayed david davidian life people receiving message checked reference kuper genocide found totally consistent davidian book voice armenian revolutionists read book find original quota thing check original posting mutlu found original article mutlu situation clear side peace loving turks side peace loving armenians sides minding affairs submerged blood fire waged committee dashnaktsutiun society ittihad terakki cruel savage defense party political interests dashnaks incited revolts relied russian bayonets success ideology armenian revolution turkey quato reference davidian lied time changed original posting mutlu accuse liar davidian writing page number correctly biggest liar showed tomorrow make liar time decided read articles write answers advise netters prevent lies save time dealing lies line sarsak yobaz yalanci turk milletinin karasi mutlu return insults wrote mutlu hope drowned lies ahmet parlakbilek columbia vedat dogan message article sdpa david davidian writes article columbia vedat dogan wrote response article sdpa sdpa david davidian writes source adventures east rawlinson jonathan cape bedford square london published pages pile garbage reference published pages checking page asked davidian published book desk book pages claimed davidian pages question book total page numbers closer mine crap posted quotes crap exist previous posting quotes exist source serdar argic reject addition author preface written january book published book front page author preface give year january check library send copies pages care year published care book writes murders tortures quotes serdar argic denial quotes groundless accussations provide postings required verify claim post file effort show turkish modified publication book time claim book hand published publication quoted info book published serdar argic reference reject avoiding real issues twisting existing quotes publication quote reference called serdar argic liar davidian existed quote gave call number page numbers reject lying talking modified published book proof publish book published claim pretty suited theories usual ready send copies pages compare fact davidian lies give call number page numbers library page numbers verify quotes text pages mine claiming reference point differences number pages mine published serdar argic book size letter charachter publications give idea issue number pages book year published hide point point books quotes moslems killed tortured armenians quotes serdar argic exist issue wasn able object bother tortures murders armenians crap people main reasons world craps question hovig uiuc hovig heghinian turks track deaths lose count million apparently butcher contend happy rekindled huge discussion distortions propagated contemporaries feel simply armenian governmental crony forum sadly mistaken duly embarrassed lecture historical revisionist genocide apologist fact dissect article article paragraph paragraph line line revision revision written plan prove armenian genocide million turks kurds classic redressed genocide soviet union similar ultra nationalist fascist dictatorship employs dictates hitler quell domestic unrest feel free distribute responses nearest asala sdpa terrorists armenian pseudo scholars affiliated armenian criminal organizations armenian government genocide million turkish women children enjoying fruits genocide genocide cover chance serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
armenians exterminated million muslim people reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article hovig uiuc hovig heghinian writes article partisan interests conversations terpetrosyan demirel sound simple soviet armenian government crime genocide million muslims admitting crime making reparations turks kurds criminal grandparents exterminated million muslim people hovig uiuc hovig heghinian hear hear motion seconded arromdian counting asala sdpa crooks criminals prove mess criminal idiot forged existent junk trashed mutlu cosar akgun uludamar akman oflazer hundreds people asala sdpa criminals responsible massacre turkish people prevent entering turkiye trnc sdpa renounce charter specifically calls genocide turkish people racist barbarian criminal view touted fascist soviet armenian government step road genocide begin ahmet toronto parlakbilek ahmet subject yalanci liar davidian keywords davidian biggest liar message article davidian claims hasan mutlu liar sdpa david davidian message article ahmet toronto ahmet parlakbilek asked simple question show mutlu coras turk proven show tens lies fabrications davidian changing quote changing book anna obvious ridiculous armenians murdered million moslems outragious unsubstantiated charge read sample proven lies start yalanci parts deleted article usenet scribe turkish historical society hasan mutlu continues revise history armenian people witness operational definition revisionist yalanci liar turkish yalanci yalanci yalanci situation clear side peace loving turks yalanci side peace loving armenians sides minding yalanci affairs submerged blood fire yalanci waged committee yalanci dashnaktsutiun society ittihad terakki cruel yalanci savage defense party political interests dashnaks yalanci incited revolts relied russian bayonets success yalanci yalanci kuper genocide political twentieth century yalanci york text bookstores libraries page find discussion related atrocities title chapter topic page concerns submissions commission prevention discrimination minorities commission human rights united nations respect massacres cambodia mention turks armenians claimed sarsak yobaz yalanci turk milletinin karasi mutlu depth foolishness turkish historical society engages covering turkish genocide armenians surpassed ridiculous historical material publicly displayed david davidian life people receiving message checked reference kuper genocide found totally consistent davidian book voice armenian revolutionists read book find original quota thing check original posting mutlu found original article mutlu situation clear side peace loving turks side peace loving armenians sides minding affairs submerged blood fire waged committee dashnaktsutiun society ittihad terakki cruel savage defense party political interests dashnaks incited revolts relied russian bayonets success ideology armenian revolution turkey quato reference davidian lied time changed original posting mutlu accuse liar davidian writing page number correctly biggest liar showed tomorrow make liar time decided read articles write answers advise netters prevent lies save time dealing lies line sarsak yobaz yalanci turk milletinin karasi mutlu return insults wrote mutlu hope drowned lies ahmet parlakbilek columbia vedat dogan message article sdpa david davidian writes article columbia vedat dogan wrote response article sdpa sdpa david davidian writes source adventures east rawlinson jonathan cape bedford square london published pages pile garbage reference published pages checking page asked davidian published book desk book pages claimed davidian pages question book total page numbers closer mine crap posted quotes crap exist previous posting quotes exist source serdar argic reject addition author preface written january book published book front page author preface give year january check library send copies pages care year published care book writes murders tortures quotes serdar argic denial quotes groundless accussations provide postings required verify claim post file effort show turkish modified publication book time claim book hand published publication quoted info book published serdar argic reference reject avoiding real issues twisting existing quotes publication quote reference called serdar argic liar davidian existed quote gave call number page numbers reject lying talking modified published book proof publish book published claim pretty suited theories usual ready send copies pages compare fact davidian lies give call number page numbers library page numbers verify quotes text pages mine claiming reference point differences number pages mine published serdar argic book size letter charachter publications give idea issue number pages book year published hide point point books quotes moslems killed tortured armenians quotes serdar argic exist issue wasn able object bother tortures murders armenians crap people main reasons world craps question hovig uiuc hovig heghinian turks track deaths lose count million apparently butcher contend happy rekindled huge discussion distortions propagated contemporaries feel simply armenian governmental crony forum sadly mistaken duly embarrassed lecture historical revisionist genocide apologist fact dissect article article paragraph paragraph line line revision revision written plan prove armenian genocide million turks kurds classic redressed genocide soviet union similar ultra nationalist fascist dictatorship employs dictates hitler quell domestic unrest feel free distribute responses nearest asala sdpa terrorists armenian pseudo scholars affiliated armenian criminal organizations armenian government genocide million turkish women children enjoying fruits genocide genocide cover chance serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
armenians genocide azeri people reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article enis enis surensoy writes article sera uucp serdar argic armenians genocide azeri people contrary armenians genocide azeri people armenians raping torturing massacering millions innocent moslem peoples eastern anatolia time enis generation risen equipped deep sense commitment politically mature conscious determinedly pursue turkish means ranging political diplomatic armed struggle words demand fascist government soviet armenia redress wrongs people crime systematic cleansing mass killing extermination muslim population soviet republic armenia karabag bosnia herzegovina islamic holocaust comparable extermination million muslims armenian government million european jews wwii tovfik kasimov azeri leader september today ethnic cleansing policies serbian dictatorship croatians muslims yugoslavia soviet republic armenia muslim population neighboring azerbaijan aspirations genocide perpetrated armenian government years turkish kurdish muslims sephardic jews living lands cebbar leygara kurdish leader october serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
book dealing genocide muslims armenians reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article arromdee arromdee writes repeat word race related substituted racist phrasing complaining wrong word quibble armenian grandparents fascist early papazian asserted patriotism perverted armenians lean fascism hitlerism time foreseen armenians actively assume german stance collaborate world book dealing armenian genocide turkish population eastern anatolia extreme rightwing ideological tendencies observed dashnagtzoutune long outbreak world zarmooni tzeghagrons quoted hairenik weekly race force treasure follow history races innate force created nations secure reverted race nation today germany italy strong nations live breath terms race hand russia comparatively weak bereft social sanctities papazian patriotism perverted boston baikar press preface hairenik weekly friday april race refuge zarmooni serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
rmenians exterminated million muslim people denying obvious reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article gassan cats ohiou writes read group time appalled lack scholarship fuzzy thinking reliance obsessed obnoxious posters armenian jewish scholars denying obvious source hovannisian richard armenia road independence university california press berkeley angeles addition kars batum oblasts empire increased area transcaucasia square miles estimated population entire region percent armenian percent georgian percent moslem group tatars paradoxically barely transcaucasia armenians lived erevan guberniia christians constituted majority uezds erevan uezd administrative center province armenians compared moslems time russian census armenians established scant majority percent guberniia risen percent inhabitants impressive change province ethnic character notwithstanding creation armenian republic solid block tartars continued dominate southern districts outskirts ereven border persia historic armenia administrative subdivisions transcaucasia percent turk closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape tartars proceeded work extermination troops surrounded village village resistance offered artillery knocked huts heaps stone dust villages untenable inhabitants fled fields bullets bayonets completed work tartars escaped found refuge mountains succeeded crossing border turkey rest killed length borderland russian armenia nakhitchevan akhalkalaki plains ararat cold mountain plateau north dotted mute mournful ruins tartar villages quiet villages howling wolves jackals visit scattered bones dead ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul power tear veil illusion create severe artificial life support system imagined ethnic purity falsely trust structure support heart beats alien land sahak melkonian preserving armenian purity bellcore daniel dusan chukurov world inaction conflict began christian armenian enclave inside muslim azerbaijan encouraged conflict bosnia herzegovina moscow based activist part armenian kidding armenians tore ottoman empire eastern provinces massacred million defenseless turkish women children elderly people burned thousands turkish kurdish villages exterminated entire turkish population armenian dictatorship outrageous sleight hand employed today armenia brings depth verification turkish genocide hard match hundred years armenians thought wanted sheer terror russian anarchists accepted role models armenian terror groups asala sdpa terrorism revisionism triangle resorted tactics butchering scores innocent turks families united states europe scale fascist soviet armenia today merciless massacre civilian population small azeri town khojali karabagh azerbaijan reported place night coordinated military operation mechanized division army armenian insurgents close people reported massacred elderly children spared badly beaten shot close range sense rage helplessness overwhelmed azeri population face armed equipped armenian insurgency neighboring azeri city aghdam karabagh region heavy armenian artillery shelling city hospital pregnant women born infant killed azerbaijan appealing international community condemn barbaric ruthless attacks population sovereignty serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
destroying ethnic identity turks greece macedonians reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article uiuc panos tamamidis writes memory weak refresh memory late called istanbul spell grandfather greece official city constantinoupolis related arromdian asala sdpa terrorism revisionism triangle read carefully speak recent helsinki watch page report broken promises torture ditto helsinki watch problems turks western thrace continue ankara page report helsinki watch stated turkish minority western thrace faced problems stipulated discriminatory policy implemented greek government brought report western thrace emphasized greek government grant social political rights members minorities equal enjoyed greek citizens addition recognize existence turkish minority western thrace grant identify turks newspot greece isolates west thrace turks xanthi independent ahmet faikoglu greek state contacts relations turkish minority turkey pointing greek minority living istanbul called greek ethnic definition religion minority western thrace considered interview greek newspaper ethnos greek citizen turkish origin individuals minority living western trace turkish emphasizing education problem turkish minority western thrace faikoglu agreement signed greece distribute textbooks printed turkey turkish minority schools western thrace recalling activities komotini independent sadik ahmet defend rights turkish minority faikoglu fact helped greece prevented greece cradle democracy losing face european countries forcing greek government recognize legal rights turco greek relations pointed countries predestined live peace geographical historical reasons turkey greece resist foreign powers create rift cooperating adding turkey observed improve relations greece newspot january macedonian human rights activists face trial greece ethnic macedonian human rights activists face trial athens alleged crimes greek state court summons obtained mils hristos sideropoulos tashko bulev anastasios bulis charged greek criminal making comments athenian magazine sideropoulos bulev gave interview greek weekly magazine march macedonians denied basic human rights greece field ethnic macedonian candidate coming greek general election bulev interview greek macedonian sideropoulos article greece recognise macedonia allegations territorial aspirations greece tales panic secure border time borders barriers falling main charge court summons spread intentionally false information create unrest fear citizens affect public security harm international interests country greece greek state recognise existence macedonian ethnicity believed ethnic macedonians living greece largely concentrated north crime greek state declares macedonian greece serbia yugoslavia bulgaria partioned macedonia pieces albania macedonian villages part serbo yugoslav occupation broke independent republic macedonia million macedonians republic bulgaria albania serbia proper sideropoulos long time campaigner macedonian human rights greece lost forestry worker years exiled obscure greek island mediteranean pressure amnesty international forced greek government return home town florina lerin northern greece aegean macedonia majority ethnic macedonians live balkan watchers sideropoulos affair show trial greece desperate clamp internal dissent issue recognition northern neighbour republic macedonia year state department united states condemned greece treatment ethnic macedonians turks largely live western thrace remains government presidential elections serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
danny rubenstein talk nntp posting host bellini berkeley organization berkeley lines danny rubenstein israeli journalist speaking tonight wednesday messy subject politics israel speaking hillel berkeley campus talk sponsored berkeley israel action committee adam schwartz adams berkeley 
danny rubenstein speaking tonight nntp posting host bellini berkeley organization berkeley lines danny rubenstein israeli journalist speaking tonight wednesday messy subject politics israel speaking hillel berkeley campus adam schwartz adams berkeley 
hizbollah lines nntp posting host purple utexas organization university texas austin lines israel line thursday april today aretz reports women injured katyusha rocket fell center community rocket dozen fired communities galilee northern israel yesterday terrorist hizbullah organization article hernlem ncsu brad hernlem wrote congratulations brave lebanese resistance israeli place grave underlining moral bankruptcy israel occupation drawing attention israeli government policy reckless disregard civilian life apparently hizbollah encouraged brad cheers good brad forgot brad asks place israeli sons grave daughters paraphrasing rocket hizbollah fires galilee justify israel holding security zone noam 
holocaust memorial museum costly dangerous mistake reply dgannon techbook message organization applied mathematics harvard university lines dgannon techbook gannon writes holocaust memorial museum costly dangerous mistake theodore keefe holocaust revisionism theodore keefe editor institute historical review educated harvard university harvard alumni directory keefe failed graduate decide educated steven smith 
hamza salah humanist nntp posting host cunixa columbia reply columbia john absood organization columbia university lines people posts forwarded system operator forwarding similar file omran salam john absood marlow ceased indistinct silent pose meditating buddha moved time offing barred black bank clouds tranquil waterway leading utter ends earth flowed sombre overcast 
exact million readers enlightened serdar argic summary article uvbm organization north dakota higher education computing network lines nntp posting host plains nodak article sera uucp serdar argic writes serdar argic merciful compassionate serdar argic bountiful divine knowing footnoted wisdom regrettably omitted solemn tribute join serdar argic club shirt friendly neighborhood alien life david koresh died 
israeli terrorism organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet anas omran nntp posting host hela cwru previous article tclock clock article andi beyer writes israeli press biased reporting events doubt propaganda machine goering reported accurately happening germany interesting basing truth israeli propaganda truth arab palestinian news outlets understand learn form propoganda reliable neutral human rights organizations report situation people israelis deep israelis arrest kill neutral reporters kind terrorism committed jews palestine fair neutral coverage situation palestine determine writer political agenda side anas omran 
israel expansion organization nysernet lines andi beyer writes understand israel captured teritory feels annex fully understand deal palestinians jews treated holocaust final solution hitler totally subsidize existance abuser human rights wondering misinformed wondering comparison making totally base offensive sane people alan stein astein nysernet 
hamza salah humanist organization nysernet lines brown danny keren writes freenet hamaza salah writes beyer great humanist speaks read salah posters decribes jews sons pigs monkeys promising final battle muslims jews stons trees muslims kill jews hiding makes jokes jews dying heart attacks realize objective stance matters involved humanist humanist alan stein astein nysernet 
zionism racism organization nysernet lines sessions writes steve lets zionism assuming hear listening told zionism racism tautological statement confusing tautological false misleading alan stein astein nysernet 
israeli terrorism organization nysernet lines freenet hamaza salah writes arab country prohipiting jews migrating palestine arab country syria migrated jewish state economical securital dilemma usual salah totally racist manages virtually facts wrong assad pledged jews leave syria israel escaped leave assad back word stopped issuing travel permits claimed bureaucratic snags tactic pressure israel alan stein astein nysernet 
israeli terrorism organization university virginia lines document allegations israel arrest kill neutral reporters confuse israel nations geographical region notion free unmonitored government press corps joke notion israel threatens human rights palestinians sealing gaza strip real palestinian palestinian civil stops palestinians behave mature human beings israel talk concessions sides peace 
israeli terrorism distribution world organization hebrew university jerusalem lines article freenet anas omran writes previous article tclock clock article andi beyer writes israeli press biased reporting events doubt propaganda machine goering reported accurately happening germany interesting basing truth israeli propaganda truth arab palestinian news outlets understand learn form propoganda reliable neutral human rights organizations report situation people israelis deep israelis arrest kill neutral reporters anas yahud needed blood matza passover month give national geographic travelogue recent trip palestine disappointed josh backon huji kind terrorism committed jews palestine fair neutral coverage situation palestine determine writer political agenda side anas omran 
israeli terrorism amoss huji amos shapira organization inst comp hebrew university jerusalem israel nntp posting host shuldig huji reply freenet message lines freenet anas omran writes israelis arrest kill neutral reporters give details event neutral observer killed purpose israeli soldier amos amos shapira jumper extraordinaire true power corrupts system group hebrew university absolute power jerusalem israel amoss huji demon 
israel expansion lines isreal jeruseleum home muslim jewish religion heck mentions yitza shamir forty fifty years terrorize westerners abdul nidal today isrealis arabs theref jerusaleum isreal 
holocaust memorial museum costly dangerous mistake organization department redundancy department lines article dgannon techbook gannon writes holocaust memorial museum costly dangerous mistake theodore keefe hard washington monument clear view jefferson memorial easy stroll mall majestic lincoln memorial arisen hallowed territory united states america costly dangerous mistake ground monument marks countless sacrifices unheralded achievements americans races creeds building defense nation sits today massive costly edifice devoted contentious false version ordeal europe world american members minority sectarian group deceptive guise tolerance united states holocaust memorial museum begins propaganda campaign financed unwitting largess american taxpayer interests israel adherents america reading paragraph quick scan confirmed impression bunch revisionist anti semitic hogwash times reported april museum built private contributions federal land hate mongering article devoid current historical fact intellectual content social toilet jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
final solution palestine originator ahmeda mcrcim mcgill nntp posting host celeborn mcrcim mcgill organization mcgill research centre intelligent machines lines article brown harry mamaysky writes article center policy research writes final solution gaza ghetto israeli jews fete uprising warsaw ghetto repress violent means uprising gaza ghetto attempt starve gazans jews warsaw ghetto fighting families nazi chambers groups hamas islamic jihad fight expressed purpose driving jews persuade jewish people wnderful freedom fighters attain ultimate goal freedom fighters choose spare operative jews counting elias pity murderers mother jewish ashamed davidsson harry turn driving jews sick tired driving jews sentance attributed islamic movements simply proven part plan israeli activists repeat parrots checking authenticity coined bnai brith hamas islamic jihad arab media islamic state protects rights inhabitants koranic reversal situation jews palestine control land muslim inhabitants committed crimes humanity torture blowing homes murders treated criminal political thought movements shows freedom choice jews living leaving destintion choice loss explain inside arafat mind political thinking fetched israel acting true super power region islamic movements weapon jews establish state religion ahmed 
israeli terrorism nntp posting host orion organization university california irvine lines article amoss huji amos shapira writes freenet anas omran writes israelis arrest kill neutral reporters give details event neutral observer killed purpose israeli soldier amos understand justifying rationale recent murder feinberg gaza clock graduate student department politics society university california irvine home irvine 
israel expansion organization university virginia lines freenet writes comparison palestinian situation holocaust insulting completely false person making rude false comparison ignorant holocaust ignorant situation mideast anti semite compare complicated political situation genocide jews racist holocaust holocaust ignorant holocaust nazi germany people including resent ignorant statements call people names disagree position opposing atrocities commited israeli governement qualifies anti semitism calling valid form argument intellectual circles suffering jews wwii justifies crimes commited israeli government attempt call civil liberterians anti semetic appreciated 
israeli terrorism organization university virginia lines tclock writes truth arab palestinian news outlets understand learn form propoganda reliable determine writer political agenda side correct goerbels goering airforce nazi propaganda machine agree arab news sources inherently biased statement reacting american accounts events fully israeli accounts americans biased thought israelis motivation bias times condemn israel gross violation human rights vetoed attempts interesting note country opposing condemnation israel interesting note means western countries realize human rights violations human rights violations 
freedom organization university virginia lines started reading articles news group attempt members quiet members scare tactics posting postings person forwarded server file hope action america attempts curtail someones amendment rights appreciated speak mind feel fascistic repressive ideals back 
conventional proposales israel palestinians nntp posting host orion organization university california irvine lines article tclock clock writes article tclock clock writes latest israeli proposal proposed february assumptions nature interim status refering gaza palestinians implemented negotiations states israel remain existing source authority final status agreed exercise powers isga subject cooperation coordination israel israel negotiate delegation powers responsibilities areas administration justice personnel agriculture education business tourism labor social welfare local police local transportation communications municipal affairs religious affairs palestinian counterproposal march limitations pisga powers responsibilities derive character interim arrangement strong police force responsible security public order request assistance peacekeeping force disputes israel governing arrangements settled committee composed representatives permanent members security council secretary general pisga jordan egypt syria israel read concrete proposals creation palestinian police force talk stage details idea differing conceptions listed clock graduate student department politics society university california irvine home irvine 
investment yehuda shomron lines horenc lduz uucp aryans base reasoning nazi ideology racists spoke american citizen judaism judaism judaism combatted extremist dangerous philosophy suspect martin buber albert einstein jewish scholars converted christianity stay jews perceived judaism perverted philosophy learn perversion judaism consult masterly work yehoshua harkabi years head israeli intelligence opponent latest book published english includes detailed analysis judeo nazism 
american jewish congress open letter clinton organization johns hopkins university dept lines article casper cern casper davi writes appalled american jewish council open letter america world policeman solve problems entire world america young women yugoslavia period people feel strongly individuals fight alongside butchers choice volunteer army argument gave applies draft misread remark young women unsure sentence people butchers ethnic cleansed automatically call butchers muslim disappointed logic coming stalwart skeptic implied send troops bosnia butchers choice primary targets muslim victims ethnic cleansing imply muslim victims butchers people butchers butchering atrocities sides implies sides equal true difficult impossible determine side victim victims exist wwii atrocities sides jews germans people butchering centuries side wins stop sides things muslims chiefly ethnic cleansed serbians ethnic cleanse muslims true side stop things sides equivalent impressive leap reasoning assume racist call butcher muslim fact contrary media fixation opposed dozens dozens civil wars fought recent past white people europe atrocities occur world news coverage level outrage recall somalia apparent left wingers reason send troops bosnia somalia somalis worlders americans unworthy suddenly shut decided send troops opposite place predicted theory matter theory suggests americans serbs christian muslims desire intervene bosnia based racism people side sides equal christmas truelove served leftover turkey christmas truelove served turkey casserole made leftover turkey days deleted flaming turkey wings pizza commercial bait arromdee arromdee 
american jewish congress open letter clinton organization johns hopkins university dept lines article casper cern casper davi writes aware arms embargo yugoslavia including bosnia guarantees massive military superiority serbian forces bosnians defend sell weapons sides losing ending embargo sell europeans sell weapons sides concerned oppose ending embargo difficult europeans sell weapons embargo place automatically accept argument bosnia worse recent civil wars vietnam instance difference happening white people inside europe lots coverage reason sides equal racist americans favoring good christians serbs christians favor christmas truelove served leftover turkey christmas truelove served turkey casserole made leftover turkey days deleted flaming turkey wings pizza commercial bait arromdee arromdee 
american jewish congress open letter clinton news software vnews organization european organization nuclear research cern lines article arromdee arromdee writes article casper cern casper davi writes complained taking point bosnia europeans bosnians morally superior serbians implies sides equal true difficult impossible determine side victim victims exist victims exist staggering number victims world balance intervention create victims including american responsibility government protect americans serve role staying bosnia regional conflicts wwii atrocities sides jews germans jews carve territory germany small scale resistance larger uprisings army government people butchering centuries side wins stop sides things muslims chiefly ethnic cleansed serbians ethnic cleanse muslims true side stop things sides equivalent pattern atrocities fairly practiced tactic colonizing power driving eliminating population area control basically vietnam iraqis kuwait israelis palestine south africa sucks ugly saddening genocide impression serbs eliminate muslim yugoslavia bosnians asses kicked surrender evacuate areas hold fixation bosnia european country world recall somalia apparent left wingers reason send troops bosnia somalia somalis worlders americans unworthy suddenly shut decided send troops opposite place predicted theory staunch republican irony arguing military intervention arguments based vietnam escaped opposed intervention somalia reasons risky matter theory suggests americans serbs christian muslims desire intervene bosnia based racism people side sides equal thing remember press likes good story good business side sides morally equivalent innocent good reasons stay europeans perfectly able deal dispute borders assistance offer europeans possess good promote idea mind united states responsible cleaning bloody mess world clinton lead country military adventure full stop means clear intervention accomplish necessarily victims clear goal point commitment ended 
american jewish congress open letter clinton news software vnews organization european organization nuclear research cern lines article arromdee arromdee writes article casper cern casper davi writes aware arms embargo yugoslavia including bosnia guarantees massive military superiority serbian forces bosnians defend sell weapons sides losing ending embargo sell giving weapons europeans sell weapons sides concerned oppose ending embargo difficult europeans sell weapons embargo place wwii british managed supply arms yugoslavs german occupation europeans sponsoring peace conferences problem putting kind weapon wanted bosnia guess favor ending embargo congress pass forbidding export military supplies yugoslavia including parties risks drawn active role great arms embargo major factor outcome automatically accept argument bosnia worse recent civil wars vietnam instance difference happening white people inside europe lots coverage reason sides equal racist americans favoring good christians serbs christians favor sides equal eyes press quit hurling words racist levels people react fundamental level consciously recognize racial element simply tend empathize people preferring christian moslem atheist agree majority people typically discriminate basis religion give important place world view dave 
killer organization center regional studies lines article yamen wisc soner yamen responded article burak umass wrote quick comment armenians killed turks turks killed armenians simple deny facts jews killed germans wwii germans killed jews wwii difference statements nazi revisionists grand parents living partly todays armenia partly todays georgia villages kurd turk turkic groups georgian muslim christian armenian farsi eachother people living aware differences people grandfather happy doughter willed marry armenian kill eachother neighbors armenians killed turks armenians neoghbors grandparents concerned armenians attacked armenians neighbors places training place taught kill people hate turks kurds difference planned extermination armenians eastern turkey beginning armeno georgian conflicts late argument armenians killed collective existence wholesale destruction anatolian armenians orders turkish government armenian georgian dispute disposition akhalkalak lori pambak turkish army evacuated region equated extermination anatolian armenians armenians georgians died area scramble occupy lands lack preparation winter months turkish genocide armenians years earlier hundreds kilometers killed raped turks muslim people people assumed armenians killed raped women group people trained camps backed powerful states step explain people hate armenians follow paragraph shed light point region blame turks kurds defense situation armenians blame people started fire easy undo facts people trust eachother easily difficult establish good relation based mutual respect trust nations ethnic cultural religious backgrounds easy start fire fighting armenians georgians destruction armenians turkey interesting georgian leaders transcaucasian federation armenia azerbaijan georgia made special deals turkish generals pass tiflis baku return georgians helping armenians militarily turkish troops marched left caucasian armenia armenians north population movement caused problems locals comparison events years earlier eastern anatolia father mother family escaped cemiskezek erzinka erzerum nakhitchevan tiflis constantinople massachusetts grandparents bloodthirsty people experience endure leave lands ladies ladies children killed forced witness young women dirt face make unattractive graphic detail grandmother brother forced dress kurdish women paste potato skins face ugly turks kill armenian young sight dersim family influential local kurds helped escape late alive today sources biased biased sense experienced pain living peace neighbors enemies david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
israel expansion nntp posting host orion organization university california irvine lines article paul pimentel writes isreal jeruseleum home muslim jewish religion heck mentions yitza shamir forty orfifty yearsago terrorize westerners abdul nidal today isrealis arabs theref jerusaleum isreal ownership rightly based worthiness owners point understand israel claim jerusalem based possession absolutely central role plays jewish identity clock graduate student tclock department politics society 
israel expansion nntp posting host supergas reply nstramer ingr organization intergraph electronics lines article writes couple questions israeli lobby israel occupation southern lebanon temporary stein working proof israel diverting water jordan river lebanese territory long goverment force authority prevent terrorists attack israel israel occupation west bank gaza golan temporary support settlers moved territories temporary hear sinai cities avcuated isreal gave back egypth peace agreement opinin settlers obstacle withdrawal long combined real peace agreement arabs palastinians steve naftaly naftaly stramer intergraph electronics internet nstramer ingr lookout road suite voice boulder quality watch 
holocaust memorial museum costly dangerous mistake organization james capel pacific limited tokyo japan lines article jake bony jake livni writes article gannon writes holocaust memorial museum costly dangerous mistake theodore keefe hard washington monument clear view jefferson memorial easy stroll mall majestic lincoln memorial arisen hallowed territory united states america costly dangerous mistake ground monument marks countless sacrifices unheralded achievements americans races creeds building defense nation sits today massive costly edifice devoted contentious false version ordeal europe world american members minority sectarian group deceptive guise tolerance united states holocaust memorial museum begins propaganda campaign financed unwitting largess american taxpayer interests israel adherents america jake reading paragraph quick scan confirmed jake impression bunch revisionist anti semitic hogwash jake disappointed paragraph bunch revisionist anti semitic hogwash article title holocaust memorial museum costly dangerous mistake tsiel tsiel ohayon receive mail employer opinions percent 
dear ajami organization york university toronto canada lines read today articles dripping hate offence great deal people find matching hatred articles found righteous kill people attcaking reaction hatred calls newsgroup reaction hardships experienced learnt judge people place aspire understand feelings hope able starting ownself able understand feelings manner aspire adopt time nabil 
freedom nntp posting host orion organization university california irvine lines article andi beyer writes started reading articles news group attempt members quiet members scare tactics posting postings person forwarded server file hope action america attempts curtail someones amendment rights appreciated speak mind feel fascistic repressive ideals back nice rightly point inherent freedom speech discussion deal frequent ritualized abuses distortions freedom occur situations extremely vocal radical people drive people effectively stifle opposing views generally purpose actions deprive freedom speech overt covert coercion domination media form question freedom speech valued suggest sort reoccuring problem alleviated controlled structure newsgroups clock graduate student department politics society university california irvine home irvine 
freedom nntp posting host cunixa columbia reply columbia john absood organization columbia university lines dear beyer wise confuse freedom speech freedom racism violent deragatory unfortunate fail understand crucial distinction find absolute complete contradiction racial invective create atmosphere intimidation individuals belong group target group feel ease liberty exercise fundamental freedom speech brand vilification sanctioned freedom speech salam john absood marlow ceased indistinct silent pose meditating buddha moved time offing barred black bank clouds tranquil waterway leading utter ends earth flowed sombre overcast 
binyamin netanyahu tonight reply mkaye message originator clamen nntp posting host byron reply clamen organization school computer science carnegie mellon university lines article mkaye martin kaye writes great interview benjamin netanyahu larry king live talking truely charismatic articulate intelligent demonstrates real leadership qualities agree politics stewart clamen internet clamen school computer science uucp uunet clamen carnegie mellon university phone forbes avenue pittsburgh 
legality jewish purchase israeli expansion lust nntp posting host cunixa columbia reply columbia amir rosenblatt organization columbia university lines article zbib writes adam shostack writes zbib writes surprised acquisition land jews arabs purpose establishing exclusive state hostile action leading purpose establishing state exclusive state state exclusive arab citizens ethnic composition israel formed purchase land hostile action land sell mutually agreeable price commerce hostile action leading mind sell freedom dignity palestinians exception heard anti trust business world debating legality commercial transaction laws governing guidelines ethics transactions basic anti trust purchase stocks purpose investing acquire large number shares intent controlling make intentions clear apriori jews purchased properties palastenians designs buying dwelling real estate establishing bridgehead european jews palastenians sold properties jews tradition arab hospitality multi ethnic multi religious society accepting jews neighbours religion paid fair market victims international conspiracy conspiracy theorist hard dismiss address point jewish national fund bought land palestinians part tenant farmers fallahin living land owned wealthy arabs syria lebanon offered premium deal owners advantage called commerce owners made provisions worked basically shafting selling land blame jews adam shostack adam harvard zbib bell northern research bitnet internet zbib voice surface mail stop station ottawa canada opinions amir 
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israel expansion organization cybernet boca raton florida lines andi beyer writes holocaust holocaust ignorant holocaust nazi germany people including sign argument merit stating qualifications area nazi germany show shut simple suffering jews wwii justifies crimes commited israeli government attempt call civil liberterians anti semetic appreciated jews suffered wwii beloved perished tortured suffered calling directed civil libertarians general dropping fancy sounding political term attempt cite qualifications order obfuscate glaring unpreparedness argument back minors junior 
remember names election time nntp posting host apollo organization hewlett packard corporation chelmsford keywords federal government international government lines article anwar anwar mohammed writes article nelson peter nelson writes bosnia large moslem population nations turkey saudi arabia syria egypt money strong military forces spoken forcibly offered bosnia spoken state christopher recent trip note clause forcibly point made forma perfunctory remarks losing sleep motions moslems ethnically cleansed yugoslavia speaking loudly moslem nations world forums case made military involvement apply equally liberia angola appears khmer rouge campaign cambodia whites count kuwaitis white oops forgot kuwaitis rich loaded petro dollars count precisely humanitarian concerns primary justification involvement gulf geopolitics kuwaitis assuming iraq invade doubt operation desert storm peter 
freedom nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia peter garfiel freeman organization columbia university lines article andi beyer writes america attempts curtail someones amendment rights appreciated speak mind feel fascistic repressive ideals back tough freedom necessitates responsibility freedom absolute defends arafat read open fire jewish immigrants soviet union ethiopia give instructions violence immigrants willjail refuses yassir arafat muharar racist anti jewish pete 
freedom nntp posting host cunixa columbia reply columbia john absood organization columbia university lines freeman find constructive time engaging fantasy affinty arafat john marlow ceased indistinct silent pose meditating buddha moved time offing barred black bank clouds tranquil waterway leading utter ends earth flowed sombre overcast 
remember names election time nntp posting host apollo organization hewlett packard corporation chelmsford keywords federal government international government lines article anwar anwar mohammed writes article nelson peter nelson writes case made military involvement apply equally liberia angola appears khmer rouge campaign cambodia whites count kuwaitis white oops forgot kuwaitis rich loaded petro dollars count forget somalia white somalia gulf aden wealthiest arab nations planet point stuff mind helping invariably expects work risks events occuring people back yards resources deal serbia somalia represent overwhelming military force neighbors handle logistics deal bigger logistical challenge troops supplies york somalia saudi arabia harder texas serbia turkey austria serbia peter 
israel expansion organization university virginia lines waldo writes andi beyer writes holocaust holocaust ignorant holocaust nazi germany people including sign argument merit stating qualifications area nazi germany show shut simple suffering jews wwii justifies crimes commited israeli government attempt call civil liberterians anti semetic appreciated jews suffered wwii beloved perished tortured suffered calling directed civil libertarians general dropping fancy sounding political term attempt cite qualifications order obfuscate glaring unpreparedness argument back minors junior humans suffered emotionally jews suffered physically people blinded emotions facts calling names assures kind ignorant people dealing included letter thought demonstrated point write 
freedom organization university virginia lines columbia writes dear beyer wise confuse freedom speech freedom racism violent deragatory unfortunate fail understand crucial distinction fact speach offensive protection freedom speach laws useless speach find questionable protected religiously blasphemous inherently racist civilized discourse scare tactics enlighten perceives ignorant idea freedom expression find offensive perceived truth find offensive belief free exchange ideas insults case channel change erring ways jefferson afraid tolerate error long reason left combat 
israel expansion originator tudelft nntp posting host duteinh tudelft organization delft university technology dept electrical engineering lines article paul pimentel isreal jeruseleum home muslim jewish religion heck mentions yitza shamir forty fifty years terrorize westerners abdul nidal today isrealis arabs theref jerusaleum isreal difference israel arabs christians respect israel freedom religion 
gaza separation israel uucp lines center policy research subject gaza separation israel gaza idea separation israeli left inability cope challenges presented reality obvious moments reality line expectations left able gulf palestinian popular solidarity iraq yossi sarid minister environment made infamous statement making efforts speak yossi sarid point view palestinian reality gulf lengthy curfew danger hunger brought palestinians accepted acceptable party similarly meretz deddi tzuker recently faced criticism residents west bank town beit sahour government party lack action human rights peace responded present discussion likud government leftists perspective government government members israeli left decided future occupied territories dictate palestinians essential step future participation yitzhak rabin government point view expulsions marginal byproduct government peace disturb routine events likewise rabinic policies gaza blowing houses anti tank rockets significant increases number persons injured suppression demonstrations disturb fact reality forces gaza falls settler lost settler stabbed palestinian workers palestinian knifes people streets aviv hell breaks loose israeli left propose separation palestinians build fence high able harm israeli left erect fence reality whith occupation meron benvenisti writes aretz liberal left differentiate physical separation future territories understand regime magnetic cards exclusion arab workers closure curfew instruments enforcement designed suppression population revolt ideological support separation humanitarian arguments legitimization enforced separation carried meet ruling community ruled population bears burden whoover thinks gaza liberal humanitarian idea contemplate question position moral easy shake responsibility concentration human suffering disregard responsibility creation easy erect fence jewish arab neighborhoods jerusalem fence gate keys disposal hand opens jews pursue interests barred arabs front jerusalem march 
conf mideast levant uucp lines center policy research subject conf mideast levant rights children violated state israel selected articles geneva convention article physical moral coercion exercised protected persons obtain information parties article high contracting parties specifically agree prohibited taking measure character physical suffering extermination protected persons hands prohibition applies murder torture corporal punishment measures brutality applied civilian military agents article protected person punished offence personally committed collective penalties likewise measures intimidation terrorism prohibited article taking hostages prohibited article individual mass forcible transfers deportations protected persons occupied territory territory occupying power country occupied prohibited motive article occupying power cooperation national local authorities facilitate proper working institutions devoted care education children article destruction occupying power real personal property belonging individually collectively private persons state public authorities social cooperative organizations prohibited destruction rendered absolutely military operations obvious violations articles violations international convention rights child 
ssistance palest people uucp lines center policy research subject assistance palest people general assembly resolution december assistance palestinian people general assembly recalling resolution december taking account intifadah palestinian people occupied palestinian territory israeli occupation including israeli economic social policies practices rejecting israeli restrictions external economic social assistance palestinian people occupied palestinian territory concerned economic losses palestinian people result gulf crisis aware increasing provide economic social assistance palestinian people affirming palestinian people develop national economy long israeli occupation persists takes note report secretary general assistance palestinian people expresses appreciation states united nations bodies intergovernmental governmental organizations provided assistance palestinian people requests international community united nations system intergovernmental governmental organizations sustain increase assistance palestinian people close cooperation palestine liberation organization taking account economic losses palestinian people result gulf crisis calls treatment transit basis palestinian exports imports passing neighbouring ports points exit entry calls granting trade concessions concrete preferential measures palestinian exports basis palestinian certificates origin calls lifting israeli restrictions obstacles hindering implementation assistance projects united nations development programme united nations bodies providing economic social assistance palestinian people occupied palestinian territory reiterates call implementation development projects occupied palestinian territory including projects mentioned resolution december calls facilitation establishment palestinian development banks occupied palestinian territory view promoting investment production employment income requests secretary general report general general assembly session economic social council progress made implementation present resolution favour countries europe canada australia zealand japan africa south america central america asia united states israel abstaining 
violations israel arab uucp lines approve severe human rights violations arab states becuse focus israeli human rights violations make things clear opposition violations arab states total qualification arab state claim democratic arab state claims democratic born palestine israel family lack peace utter injustice home country affected life concerned palestine israel peace peace justice legitimate claims arab states present claims support jews left arab states fully entitled make claims case merit basic return countries complain compare palestinians struggling return israel established upheld united nations quasi totally jews feel discriminated arab countries legitimate claim decent person support human rights violations arab states justify legitimate israeli breaches international human rioghts israeli breaches stem zionist concept implemented negating basic rights palestinians israeli trights palestinian rights symmetrical party state occupier occupied meaningful relationship emerge symmetry established long israelis jews realise necessity change perspective palestinian people long israelis jews exorcise past palestinians naqba refuse acknowledge creation israel dependent removal palestinian arabs base real trust read time list arab villages destroyed state israel shock hope touched discovery meaning massive destruction destitution elias davidsson iceland 
desertification negev uucp lines center policy research subject desertification negev desertification arid negev moise saltiel march negev bedouin jewish agricultural settlement negev development negev rural population economic situation jewish settlements failure settling arava valley failure settling central mountains failure making negev bedouinenrein cleansing negev bedouins vii transforming bedouin paid workers failure settling development towns jordan water negev strategic asset negev dumping ground dimona nuclear plant xii negev military base negev year creation state israel phrase jewish pioneers make desert bloom trumpeted western world david gurion declared letter charles gaulle pioneering creation transformed poor arid land fertile land created built areas towns villages abandoned desert areas contrary gurion assertion affirmed years british mandate palestine centuries previous productive human presence found parts negev desert arid hills valleys southern negev fertile north bedouin arabs real desertification negev southern part occurred israel dispossession bedouin cultivated lands pastures nowadays majority square kilometer negev represents percent state israel borders desertified recognition main occupiers bedouin negev israeli army nature reserves authority chief role prevent bedouin roaming pasture lands vast industrial zones including nuclear reactors dumping grounds chemical nuclear wastes israeli jews negev today cultivate half surface area cultivated bedouin jewish pastoral activity agricultural pastoral activities negev bedouin british mandatory statistics beersheba district corresponds israel negev southern district inhabitants bedouin arabs held camels cows oxen sheep goats majority bedouin lived sedentary life north precipitation ranged year cultivated hectares beersheba district percent total area double area cultivated negev jewish settlers years making desert bloom bedouin crop yield kilograms barley hectare rainy years farming techniques primitive production based solely animal human labor underscored animal production based pasturing production increased considerably rainy years diminished significantly drought years bedouin pasture animals goats camels sheep ability gain weight quickly rainy winters withstand waterless days summers animals result centuries process natural selection harsh local conditions creation state israel percent negev bedouin expelled sinai southern jordan allowed remain confined territory hectares region annual precipiation quantity ensure crop failure years rare water wells south central negev spring life desert cemented prevent bedouin shepherds roaming bedouin shepherds allowed stay central negev sinai returned egypt bedouin eliminated time strong pressure applied bedouin abandon cultivation fields order land transferred army reliable statistics exist amount land held today negev bedouin fact large part hectares cultivated seized israeli authorities bedouin confined development towns sowetos established rest article elias davidsson email elias 
zionism racism uucp lines center policy research subject zionism racism diaspora cancer julian kossoff lindsay schusman jewish chronicle london leading israeli author cultural commentator yehoshua launched ferocious attack diaspora jewry zionist youth council meeting north london week diaspora claimed cancer connected main tissue jewish people scathing failure holocaust diaspora religious secular leadership warning signs fiercely opposed zionism considered holocaust failure judaism talk entitled diaspora neurotic solution covered years jewish history yehoshua targets included soviet jews staying israel running jews israel people countries hotels conclusion draw diaspora immoral looked israel identity lived worse threatened israel creating distraction citizens leaving thousands yehoshua soldier aliyah ended calling creation total living israel earlier speaking meeting jewish students difficulties forging national identity israeli literature yehoshua claimed israeli writers paralyzed country political situation israel wars provided writers vital source inspiration today israeli writers avoided writing directly arab israeli conflict major work produced intifada writers tackling themes jewish identity emigration israel personal family issues yehoshua admitted felt unable write israeli political situation longer step israeli arab shoes portray real flesh blood character claimed years statehood problem israeli identity solved jews remained occupied borders identity concerned nature identity jewish values israel embraced aspect daily life unlike diaspora jews responsibility country lived warned modern hebrew unifying force jewish people struggle future literary circles faced fierce competition english language 
poem erich fried uucp lines center policy research subject poem erich fried poem german jewish poet erich fried holocaust survivor jude zionistischen kaempfer erich fried wollt eigentlich wollt wirklich uebertreffen euch niedergetreten haben einem menschenalter euer eigenes blut euren eigenen wollt alten foltern jetzt andere weitergeben allen blutigen dreckigen einzelheiten allem brutalen genuss folterknechte unsere vaeter damals erlitten haben wollt jetzt wirklich neue gestapo sein neue wehrmacht neue palaestinensern neuen juden machen aber dann auch weil damals fuenfzig jahren selbst judenkind gepeinigt wurde euren peinigern neuer jude sein diesen neuen juden denen palaestinenser macht zurueckfuehren helfen freie menschen eigenes land palaestina vertrieben habt oder quaelt hakenkreuzlehrlinge narren wechselbaelge weltgeschichte denen davidstern euren fahnen sich immer schneller verwandelt verfluchte zeichen vier fuessen nicht sehen wollt aber dessen heut geht 
holocaust memorial museum costly dangerous mistake organization mcsnet contributor chicago lines nntp posting host localhost article jake bony jake livni writes private contributions federal land hate mongering article devoid current historical fact intellectual content social toilet unbiased source things israel times trained seals responded recognize statement private funds exmpt otherwords american taxpayers money finalyy federal land mitigate offensiveness alien monument dedicated perpetuating pitty continual flow money foreign entity federal land money commerate americans house homeless americans 
israeli terrorism organization james capel pacific limited tokyo japan lines article anas omran writes anas neutral human rights organizations report anas situation people anas israelis deep israelis anas arrest kill neutral reporters anas kind terrorism committed jews palestine anas fair neutral coverage situation anas palestine bring case israeli soldiers deliberately killed neutral reporter dreams unlike countries israel reporters problem israel country china transpire happening proliferation journalists israel show evil israeli monster arab countries journalists hear massacres kurds destruction annihilation hama killings moslem fundamentalists mosques egypt algeria state reports accurate anas give lesson freedom speech arab bretheren telling tsiel tsiel ohayon receive mail employer opinions percent 
desertification negev organization brown university department computer science lines nonsense lived negev years beduins moved harmed contrary standard living climbed sharply live nice permanent houses cars beduin students gurion university good friendly relations rest population beduins surprised read davidson poster danny keren 
ccounts anti armenian human violations azerbaijan summary prelude current events nagorno karabakh organization center regional studies lines accounts anti armenian human violations azerbaijan prelude current events nagorno karabakh naked hair dragging falling pushing kicking fell muddy witnesses balconies told seized hair dragged couple blocks mortgage bank good block half deposition tatyana mikhailovna arutunian nezhintseva born train conductor azerbaijani railroad resident building apartment microdistrict sumgait azerbaijan lived long sumgait years moved novosibirsk entered baku nautical school transferred azerbaijan married arutunian husband massacre discussed openly hints gibes speak armenian people mocking russians constantly aware work past year find definite place pool work steal deceive involved bribe taking asked decent working conditions told leave working kind work work time hear gibes armenians turks killed multiplied making hard live things fine problem turks armenia armenians half hour thought spill bloody tragedy imagine living soviet government years considered idea forming opinions presence authoritative people leading people kind situation emerging russians fleeing sumgait left dealing happened clear arranged make secretary city party committee marching ahead demonstration azerbaijani flag received personal confirmation guard club club muslimzade women told muslimzade rumors carried azerbaijani flag thought false rumors secretary city party committee answers march ahead gang carrying azerbaijani flag carrying denigrating signs mention armenian blood tells dissuade asked question burning slaughtering anticipate happen sumgait comrade mamedov deputy chairman council ministers azerbaijani answered question anticipate slaughter sumgait time crowd baku preparing massacre exact words office council ministers armenian events painful discuss true rumors happened making rounds true aren true false horrible space science progress told story living moscow believed genocide massacre genuinely husband sick neighbor place demonstration town overturning armenian cars burning cars armenian answered armenian turned burned made wife senior investigator baku ministry internal affairs told returning home dacha wife raisa sevastyanova neighbor immediately told landed middle call cavalcade automobiles stopping answered azerbaijani made honk horn kicking fracas happen muslimzade leading crowd sputnik store completely smashed salespeople armenians started breaking glass store break shop windows destroy state property hear ears fact store torn director store beaten employing armenians azerbaijani talking sudden sevastyanova window crowd looked crowd started wrecking neighboring building armenian family woman lived building number people names husband apartment microdistrict lived microdistrict awful looting time hideous things building attacked returned places finished armenians azerbaijani family dared conceal armenians beat azerbaijanis beat russians russians hiding russians television people nationalities people nationalities touched azerbaijanis dared stick armenians give temporary shelter homes time window sevastyanova husband balcony television balcony kinds things sofa burned crowd oohing figure happening told husband lendrush beating answered suddenly crowd separated moment raisa sevastyanova husband turned naked hair dragging falling pushing kicking fell muddy witnesses balconies told seized hair dragged couple blocks mortgage bank good block half crowd rushed building standing imagine feeling kill awful thought torment tormented woman asked husband gave kill corpse neighbors true defended armenians entryway muslims live disaster missed time clock morning crowd people approximately back place husband asleep sleep upset standing running balcony balcony power remember long deliberately turned lights whatsoever glad thought crowd balcony morning time building morning thought woman floor azerbaijani awake watching human beings pail garbage needed taking garbage clock morning pretext young people youngsters balcony perfectly young azerbaijani boys spoke azerbaijani answered armenian family lives pointing floor hands told armenians leave hear muslim woman talking grabbed hand walk enter building started pushing listen young started apologizing left time death door forgot mention apartment named rubik lives knew daughter lives fourth floor entryway chernobyl worked months earn money imagine means risked life earn amount money order family bought furniture ready give daughter hand marriage alas ruined creeps scoundrels threw windows rest balcony neighbors left apartment carried smashed means parents families opinion organized foreseen advance beating armenians stripping apartments order move armenians apartments worked honestly life check patriot china waited nights front consulate general ussr homeland patriot knew party komsomol holy things sumgait holy party membership bought komsomol members joined personal gain ideals ideas save bought sold understood crap talk image beating apartment picked soviet army guard arrived suppress gang armenians russian families children apartments joined normal person stay situation interesting left buses rode thought group people people basically rise situation compassion armenians understand injustice analyzed weighed thing calmed thought conclusion shared people azerbaijanis armenian neighbors killed basically depended muslimzade wanted calm people hand whisper minute announce television citizens sumgait hands protect neighbors massacre crowds controlling basically unarmed firearms knives kinds metal parts armature shafts sharpened ends special rocks degree noticed rocks sumgait soils brought specially planned weighed neighbors wanted defend arranged means government crowd moving city party committee sputnik informing baku turns crowd violence microdistrict mention things talk things witnessed microdistrict beginning clock evening building night clock morning back building completely finished making predatory rounds microdistrict returned building told husband lendrush police authorities find alas authorities single policeman single fireman single ambulance raging turns found beginning dead people ruined apartments burned autos station burned overturned days block live balconies attacked soldiers buses beat poor unarmed soldiers square remember fork coming station intersection upset tall building story balconies people butchery poor soldiers wearing helmets shields unfortunate clubs moved fell year boys stones heavy stones beat death heads guessed happen soviet union soviet government upshot republic soviet control long time wanted attention involved work people confirm truth struggling truth years years worked azerbaijani railroad people considered demagogue adventure seeker prankster wanted outraged people treat soviet railroad azerbaijani railroad azerbaijani property property magnate mafia black market price brazen coach moscow costs coach local train costs complaining head conductor pool nerve afraid heard ears tatyana long fight effect give money chief conductor fine started turned left complain realized useless root thing filed written complaint ground dust destroyed copy general procuracy involved investigation bloody sumgait affair addition information witness gave testimony mafia railroad accepted petition pursue excuse longer things aspired things believed dead spit soul stomped physically important spiritually lose belongings nonsense time soul spit beliefs destroyed difficult restore incident time state minor things account minor neighbor raisa sevastyanova valery grade school microdistrict vitaly danielian school school sitting apartment make phone call moscow important detail massacre began hours phones working armenian apartments russian azerbaijani apartments fact matter service shut call means planned service reason lights brats raging afraid freely slap hands dare stop knew incident vitaly vitalik armenian school valery class valery neighbor time apartment phone waiting call attacked building vitalik lived valery mother mamma vitalik kill alive bring save nice good person smart mother tears valery afraid mamma crowd watch made vitalik parents lived microdistrict made superficial deduction knowing balconies doors broken street armenian apartments building looked windows intact calmed windows apartment broken inside totally smashed vitalik broken skull mother father murdered vitalik dead weeks critical condition longer left sumgait march spent time moscow yerevan month hard straight valery found vitalik family killed vitalik ling semashko hospital baku valery classmates visit admit telling critical condition coma cried left found kicked dragged hospital turns brought condition alive time club friend throw arms kiss wondered friends alive friends alive glad find family lived people heard things made hair stand publish happened hideous book book things difficult raped black blue lying girlfriend happened bared breasts completely covered cigarette burns rogues cigarettes breasts live city people stayed military unit provided basic conditions military unit located nasosny miles sumgait living larger group people people unit point heartbreak hear false rumors false rumors spread sumgait armenians yerevan destroyed azerbaijani villages razed ground bulldozers people idea revenge arrived armenia spitak spitak villages intact time protected case guarded food inhabitants spitak single person died planning harm yerevan villages safe unharmed armenians attack evil magnitude suffered sumgait feeling vengefulness acted hear accusations effect armenians guilty organized rumors spread azerbaijan person young hear perceive minds hearts older person telling truth people killed originally people found azerbaijani armenian upset utterly impossible discuss things upset forget things return time club city party committee muslimzade club building marched front carrying banner mentioned repeat excuse asked laugh women strewn floor overcrowding tremendous completely unsanitary children sick true troops make livable cooked field stoves provided wonderful food thing main ferret gang continuing sordid affairs direct orders authorized march clock evening krayev lieutenant general city commandant sumgait full authority told microphone armored personnel carrier wanted heart advised relocate people military unit talk muslimzade characteristically building city party committee square club hand citizen worry talk office told iota city party committee disappear traces disappear stand interesting detail meeting funny time laughing nice expensive shame speak duded london dandy smell good perfume starched shirt expensive ridicule poor women children lying floor sick relatives died laugh accompanying azerbaijani title quickly snatched muslimzade head marauders intention stealing kill kill muslimzade guilty kill kill guilty fine guilty give answer torturing raping poor women killing children burning things carrying outrageously wrecking apartments expect anticipate happen sumgait started laughing funny ridiculous secretary city party committee march front banner fall gang cross dead body single party committee secretary compromised died people battle left marched flag afraid excuse language feared damned hide confused told city party committee confused party committees confused police confused baku confused faint weeks gang show impunity troops days single armenian left sumgait finished bloody affair brazenly russians told finish armenians colonel military unit light blue collar tabs flew hours arrived armored personnel carrier military unit started moving military unit asked openly main thing catch gang finish quickly stay military unit time decide general procuracy ussr arrived consists investigators cities stavropol affair frightful comrade katusev spoke deputy general procurator ussr gave speech armored personnel carrier military unit told honest truth experiencing impressions afghanistan sumgait horrible people dared thing severely punished accordance laws quote mother throws sons died eyes return sons punish culprits calm order conduct proper investigation order single scoundrel avoid responsibility gang concealed homes neighbors afraid write detail afraid afraid lived horrors write truth neighbor seek revenge throw write wrote names people write made public information afraid write gang made threats shouted threatening gibes armenians describe people information soldiers major guarded people people write woman asked russian thing happen happen give information write afraid katusev made speech wrote knew threw factual picture emerge information person thousands thousands simply agree fact fact black white black deputy chairman council ministers azerbaijani mamedov yerevan husband council ministers armenian found mamedov present convince people sumgait return previous dwellings apartments asked meeting granted behave properly politely delicately truth told face asked questions asked muslimzade personally beating convince return time slaughtering leading telling truth mince words told face straight pure truth evening government including restraining crowd baku expected city sumgait fine international record thing happen expected baku means expected expecting happened expecting baku restrain sumgait fine hours things basically story muslimzade back situation sumgait favorable fine armenians friendly azerbaijanis answered speaking member neutral nation argued armenians azerbaijanis eyewitness comrade mamedov asked honestly completely frank admit honestly ashamed shame entire azerbaijani nation disgraced entire soviet union world voice america foreign radio stations hues branding kinds rumors happened awful agree understand pain unfortunate occurrence repeat unfortunate occurrence suddenly remembered hands fidgeting nervously excuse tragedy thinks unfortunate occurrence understand return sumgait cool realize people gave detail matters policemen specifically relation bloody affair good detail work baku events undergarment plant azerbaijani working suddenly tells nail husband screwed floored imagined baku office needed find days happen days february march administrator told tatyana head conductors pool grateful unexcused absence discouraged hair death barely survived telling skipping work enjoying office chief pool rasulov position years incidentally party member town suddenly comrade rasulov looked askance previous wrapped mess wrapped mess husband armenian armenian screwed face made kind grimace eaten sour expect behave chief pool supervises workers true reduction conductors working supervises staff size things expect simple uneducated politically unsophisticated person rumors armenians armenians mamedov back mamedov office asked guarantee safety lives return sumgait answered guarantee guarantee firmly years guarantee longer years thing planned years quiet years happen told point knew treating russians baku sumgait hounded jobs received complaints wrote respond ignore prepare people treated finally starting insult threw desk scoundrel talking conviction comrade involved assured yerevan false rumors sumgait armenians sumgait back work working life good drove town comrade arutiunian secretary communist party armenia council ministers armenian brought information showing fine sumgait asked mamedov reached conclusion walked street walking street city york understand situation guest contact people spend days blue collar workers deputy chairman council ministers hear told drew conclusion left military unit apartments turns pick things people fled military unit save neighbors microdistrict view thought fact general mass nature anti national building apartment armed soldier accompanied speaks fact fine soldiers back apartment apartment fact young people sense delight misfortune grins making comments presence troops police detachments microdistricts armored personnel carriers tanks passing people taking malicious delight situation withdraw protection city altogether outrages organized alleys april yerevan reference sumgait tragedy pogroms armenians soviet azerbaijan volume eyewitness accounts edited samuel shahmuradian forward yelena bonner published aristide caratzas pages david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
bsood nntp posting host cunixb columbia organization columbia university lines fellow columbian engage fantasies arafat terrorist pull palestinians ignore facts doubt peace roar lion roar niceties pete 
freedom organization nysernet lines andi beyer writes started reading articles news group attempt members quiet members scare tactics posting postings person forwarded server file hope action america attempts curtail someones amendment rights appreciated speak mind feel fascistic repressive ideals back freedom speech compelled give means speak publicly systems regulations prohibiting dissemination racist bigoted messages accounts issue apparently case virginia posting alan stein astein nysernet 
argic nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia peter garfiel freeman organization columbia university lines article cosmo angmar alfalfa frank benson writes definetly shrink loser cheesedicks stop sending messages read cares 
holocaust memorial museum costly dangerous mistake reply uchicago organization university chicago lines article steven smith writes dgannon techbook gannon writes holocaust memorial museum costly dangerous mistake theodore keefe holocaust revisionism theodore keefe editor institute historical review educated harvard university harvard alumni directory keefe failed graduate decide educated forgive inaccuracies deleted original post person wrote book censured canada years back 
spied keywords hypocritical nntp posting host colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article anwar anwar mohammed writes article eshneken uiuc edward shnekendorf writes anwar anwar mohammed writes article ehrlich bitnet gideon ehrlich writes readers forum interested contents files nice yigal american authorities yigal arens dangerous authorities view people dangerous including millions americans arab ancestry answer question maintained files spied members california friendly rivalry arabs sympathetic palestinian israel monitors arab organizations reason monitored communist organizations soviet nationals years organization arab americans arab americans spied arab americans views national security threat israel gratuitously imply reference bombing arab americans involved inference assume arab lineage world poses threat israel spied edward anwar good valid point presenting legitimately deliberately takes point view extreme intended ways demonstrate slippery slope type argument frankly proved innocent case doubt evidence weigh civil court preponderance evidence evidence reasonable doubt standard winning case prevent merit anwar point rest deleted model decorum tranquillity sport battleground rival ideologies slug glee rice chess eric perlman center astrophysics space astronomy university colorado boulder 
israel expansion nntp posting host bellini berkeley organization berkeley lines article paul pimentel writes isreal jeruseleum home muslim jewish religion heck mentions yitza shamir forty fifty years terrorize westerners abdul nidal today isrealis arabs theref jerusaleum isreal united states washington 
hamza organization james capel pacific limited tokyo japan lines hamza answers articles israeli soldiers killed hamas mujahid anti tank missile terrorist zionists able body desintegrated missile hamza missile directly body hamza desintegrated destroying houses hamza kill surgical operation hamza edited answer anas omran context replied wanted understand peace process making progress listening babbling rhetoric tsiel 
american jewish congress open letter clinton organization johns hopkins university dept lines article casper cern casper davi writes fixation bosnia european country world recall somalia apparent left wingers reason send troops bosnia somalia somalis worlders americans unworthy suddenly shut decided send troops opposite place predicted theory staunch republican irony arguing military intervention arguments based vietnam escaped opposed intervention somalia reasons risky based reasons opposed intervention somalia somalia european country world desire somalia racist reason applies somalia point somalia world country send troops bosnia opposite fixation european countries theory predict similarly desire muslims fought christians opposite theory predicts matter theory suggests americans serbs christian muslims desire intervene bosnia based racism people side sides equal thing remember press likes good story good business side referring people people sending press releases bosnian serbs ethnic cleansing muslim presence balkans eliminated serbs admit desire serbs america serbian side people christmas truelove served leftover turkey christmas truelove served turkey casserole made leftover turkey days deleted flaming turkey wings pizza commercial bait arromdee arromdee 
armenia shoot turkish planes organization univ rochester college engineering applied science lines article henrik writes esin terzioglu ignorance obvious posting esin terzioglu cyprus independent country turkish greek inhabitants greek island ignorant posting claims esin terzioglu cyprus english esin terzioglu time read learn post spelling turks admit past mistakes turkish invasion cyprus mistake mistake greeks invade cyprus greeks invade cyprus turkish intervention failed info esin 
seventh century armenian math problems keywords philosphy greece persians math organization center regional studies lines quantum magazine march april pages problem book anania shirak ancient peak ararat centuries seconds passed avetik issahakian yuri danilov years journalists interviewing celebrities books space flight number books allowed trip varied depending type spacecraft generosity interviewer celebrities people varied tastes ages professions dared book arithmetic problems people excluded kind literature trained humanities scorn numbers secretly afraid steered clear puzzle books masters incomparably difficult branches modern mathematics mind world hear solve mere arithmetic problems professional mathematicians exception russian mathematician alexander khinchin specialist statistics wrote arithmetic willingly confess time grader asked solve arithmetic problem hard work failed completely friends easily solve problem natural algebraic route constructing equations sets equations supposed avoid algebraic analysis costs fact repeated rule high school graduates students teaching colleges teachers beginning careers scientific researchers solve arithmetic problems people world able solve grade teachers insisting book arithmetic problems included bookbag flying space sense justice induces recommend problem book satisfy fastidious taste supply food thought sufficient short flight moon extended space voyage venus back road books brought road kingsley glanced royal astronomer book bright cover group cutthroats shooting revolvers kind stuff leads thought kingsley royal astronomer looked kingsley book history herodotus good lord reading thucydides thought royal astronomer fred hoyle black cloud book talking problems constitute elegant miniatures seventh century armenia naive wise time rich striking detail bright coloration period problems reminiscent reliefs famous monument armenian architecture church island akhtamar lake turkey inseparable image armenia elegant letters armenian alphabet invented mesrop mashtots songs komitas paintings saryan edition incredibly beautiful problems long bibliographic rarity published title problems solutions vardapet anania shirak armenian mathematician seventh century translated published orbeli petrograd abundance close observations wide ranging information life customs remote epoch anania shirak lived worked rendered disservice problem book years book researchers humanities specialists armenian history jealously guarded treasure research patkanov learned monk father kaloust orbeli abramyan chaloyan brought works anania shirak light scholarly circles general reader remains ignorant existence remarkable problem book vardapet anania shirak fell love calculation thought philosophical notion constructed number mother wisdom anania shirak ancient armenian thinkers vardapet anania shirak stands breadth interests unique mathematical orientation work works preserved addition problems solutions tracts found special place estimation scholars weights measures cosmography calendrical theory armenian geography seventh century authorship work long attributed outstanding thinker ancient armenia movses khoren autobiography anania shirak anania shirak studied science armenian land learned holy scripture intimately expression psalmist illuminated eyes mind feeling lacking calculation conclusion fruitless study philosophy mother sciences number find armenia versed philosophy books explained sciences greece theodosiople named iliazar versed ecclesiastical works told armenia lived famous mathematician christosatur person spent months noticed christosatur master science fragmentary facts constantinople acquaintances told closer trebizon coast pontus lives byzantine vardapet tyukhik full wisdom kings armenian literature asked knew answered people traveled long distances pupils learned archdeacon patriarchate constantinople philagrus traveled bringing young persons pupils tyukhik heard expressed gratitude quenched thirst slave tyukhik monastery eugene explained received graciously praise lord learn transplant science domain gregory glad country learn lived armenia years youth ignorance reigned vardapet tyukhik loved shared thoughts lord bestowed blessing completely assimilated science number success fellow students king court began envy spent years tyukhik studied books translated language vardapet innumerable collection books secret explicit ecclesiastical pagan books history medicine books chronologies enumerate title word book tyukhik gift holy spirit translating translate greek armenian struggle translators translation read work written language originally tyukhik told achieved vast erudition learned armenian language young lived trebizon court military chief ioannus patricus long time accession mauritius throne served military armenia learned language literature attack persian troops greeks wounded escaped antioch lost possessions praying lord heal wounds made promise prolong life dedicate accumulating perishable treasures collecting treasures knowledge lord heard prayers recovered jerusalem alexandria rome returning constantinople famous philosopher athens studied years returned homeland began teach instruct people years philosopher died finding replacement king courtiers tyukhik invited assume teacher position tyukhik citing promise made move city turned offer wide leaning people streaming countries study insignificant armenians learned powerful science desired kings brought country supported obligated industry prayers blessed educator thanked efforts problems solutions half sixth ninth books printed verge hundred eighty paper forty hundred fifty vellum forty inscribed copies dutch paper find copies printed imitation anania shirak latin proverb habent fata libelli books fate fate problems solutions anania shirak amazing manuscripts anania book preserved armenian historians ancient medieval armenia manuscripts guarded invaders weapons cherished children biding time manuscripts matenadaran renowned depository ancient manuscripts mesrop mashtots institute ancient manuscripts hour finally arrived learned monk father kaloust manuscripts publish problem book supplementing introduction commentary book translated russian edited annotated typeset iosef orbeli prominent scholar member academy sciences ussr translator words problems anania amusing full life simple orbeli subjects problems generally everyday life scene predominantly homeland shirak surrounding countryside dramatis personae named local princes kamsarakans including nersekh contemporary anania ancient authors anania shirak aliquots fractions numerator write fractions numerators represent aliquots epigraph true work problems anania suffer terribly retelling read originals albeit translation full glory open anania problem book gift ages problems relate armenian uprising persians problem father told story famous wars armenians persians prince zaurak kamsarakan performed extraordinary heroic deeds times single month attacked persian troops time struck half persian army time pursuing persians slaughtered fourth soldiers time destroyed eleventh persian army persians alive numbering hundred eighty fled nakhichevan remainder find persian soldiers massacre problem famous armenian uprising persians zaurak kamsarakan killed suren armenian azats envoy persian king report baleful news envoy covered fifty miles fifteen days learned zaurak kamsarakan riders pursuit bring envoy back riders covered eighty miles find days catch envoy problem mentions vessels made varying amounts metal russian translation called dishes original armenian orbeli note dishes instances called mesur instance scutel scutel common armenian word mesur encountered armenian literature anania problems solutions problem tray house melted made vessels metal made mesur fourth mesur goblets sixth scutels hundred drams made bowl find weight tray problems reflect richness caucasian fauna anania time instance problem problem marmet capital kamsarakans strolling bank river akhuryan school fish ordered cast caught half quarter school fishes slipped ended creel looked creel found forty fishes find fishes temptation great present problems restrain offer problem interesting information wild animals inhabited armenia time extinct long mention zoological reference books wild donkey generally accepted view roamed armenian lands anania shirak offers evidence contrary problem hunting preserve nersekh kamsarakan shirak asharunik base mountain called artin night great herds wild donkey entered preserve hunters cope donkeys running village talin told nersekh arrived brothers azats entered preserve began killing wild beasts half animals caught traps fourth killed arrows young constituted twelfth animals caught alive hundred sixty wild donkeys killed spears find beasts start massacre type iosef orbeli biography squeezed framework bibliography uzbashyan academician iosef abgarovich orbeli lucky hold copy small printing solution epigraph previous section russian translation anania shirak problems solutions thin book yellowed pages noticed variety fonts elegance borders high quality design printing binding great attention detail characteristic works fulfill requirement degree bookmaking problem book kind diploma attesting professional maturity created advertisement book reads book typeset december printing offices russian academy sciences iosef orbeli text proofread laid decorated borders circumstances prevented carrying project final pages book typeset strolman typesetting profession renowned orientalist iosef orbeli director hermitage museum leningrad cabinetmaker locksmith orbeli acquainted famous academic printing house typis academiae founded scientific world rich collection fonts virtuoso typesetters preparing publish corpus ancient inscriptions preserved walls armenian churches orbeli found create font preserve unique signs ligatures complicated work strolman entire letters destroyed blockade leningrad world orbeli printing offices academy sciences times hard publish newly translated problems anania orbeli learn typesetting attracted printer craft orbeli director printing academy sciences retired remained tireless champion russian academic typography back earth book definition exhaust important works domain editor hopes guilty incompleteness read lines stung shame work collection monograph bonch bruyevich introduction russian translation solid body symmetry knox gold imagine time space flight everyday thing high schoolers spend breaks astronauts training perelman crater side moon space travelers copy quantum shoulder read article anania shirak pretty interesting home find problems good luck young friend anania entertain copies timeless problems solutions hope lovingly printed masterpieces created iosef orbeli vardapet vartabed means teacher learned armenian armenian language suffers english dual transliteration scheme mesrop rendered mesrob komitas gomidas fourth armenia fifteen provinces armenian geography seventh century called great armenia divided pontus pontus euxinus black azats members strata freemen ancient armenia title heads sovereign royal families ancient armenia david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
exact million readers enlightened serdar argic nntp posting host evenwood organization computing laboratory newcastle tyne lines andrew varvel writes serdar argic serdar argic merciful compassionate writes serdar argic bountiful divine knowing footnoted wisdom regrettably omitted solemn tribute join serdar argic club shirt friendly neighborhood alien life david koresh died give days disclaimer honest email made gannon 
conventional proposales israel palestinians nntp posting host orion organization university california irvine lines latest israeli proposal proposed february assumptions nature interim status refering gaza palestinians implemented negotiations states israel remain existing source authority final status agreed israel negiotiate delegation power organs interim government arrangements isga isga apply palestinian inhabitants territories israeli military administration arrangements territorial application apply israeli population territories palestinian inhabitants jerusalem residual powers delegated isga reserved israel israelis continue live settle territoriesd israel responsibility security aspects external internal maintenance public order organs isga administrative functional nature exercise powers isga subject cooperation coordination israel israel negotiate delegation powers responsibilities areas administration justice personnel agriculture education business tourism labor social welfare local police local transportation communications municipal affairs religious affairs question mind success hope ongoing negotiation process arrangements essentially rejection palestinian interim control exposing unwarranted risks creating irresversible vulnerability israel forward points negotiating process relaxed proposals interim period proposals side altered temper maximalist approaches stated israeli worries desire interim control addressed providing real interim palestinian governing entity comment perceptions addressed israel trust arab groups support israel giving tangible assets exchange pieces paper expectations hopes arab world palestinians demand tangible concessions made israel receiving tangible back stances israel receiving tangible returns expected concessions tangible meant israel comparable protection land give ensures arab states palestine accountable held actively diplomatically responsible upholding actions territory citizens visitors israel hanging largely scared stiff minute lets lands back arab states buffer zone full autonomy palestinians arab parties controlled easily return traditional anti israel position question ensure happen clock graduate student department politics society university california irvine 
israel expansion organization department redundancy department lines article paul pimentel writes isreal jeruseleum home muslim jewish religion york home united nations home myriad ethnic groups comparable gaza strip controlling authority pleased punch unload heck mentions yitzak shamir forty fifty years terrorize westerners abdul nidal today isrealis arabs jerusaleum isreal historical bullshit shamir fought british incidentally shipped shiploads jews back nazis extermination hung jewish fighters captured deal anymore shamir attack civilians airliners cruise ships airports sports events movie theaters markets buses children schoolyards comparison master murderer nidal blind jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
holocaust memorial museum costly dangerous mistake organization department redundancy department lines fault violation rules avoid followingup barf posting article jack schmidling writes article jake bony jake livni writes private contributions federal land hate mongering article devoid current historical fact intellectual content social toilet unbiased source things israel damned spiking israelists barfling times trained seals responded trained seals flap flippers making sounds recognize statement private funds exmpt otherwords american taxpayers money finalyy federal land mitigate offensiveness alien monument dedicated perpetuating pitty continual flow money foreign entity diseased mind exemption equivalent government funding holy shit batman government major supporters catholic church violation rules separation church state federal land money commerate americans house homeless americans quick bill commandeer churches give people anti logic apply mosques belonging ragheads synagogues characterized hymies jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
israeli media israeli terrorism reply hernlem ncsu brad hernlem organization ncsu chem lines article tclock clock writes article andi beyer writes israeli press biased reporting events doubt propaganda machine goering reported accurately happening germany interesting basing truth israeli propaganda truth arab palestinian news outlets understand learn form propoganda reliable determine writer political agenda side andi disagree israeli news sources events palestine makes sense news directly source news source inherently biased extent reasons intentional sources relied easier truth discern bias read listen israeli media learn news opinion israel palestine form opinions informed views change brad hernlem hernlem ncsu jake call doctor mohandes brad hernlem wednesday 
lezgians astir azerbaijan daghestan keywords bogaz organization center regional studies lines article gatech kaan timucin wrote shit face david dont shitty writings posted told close eyes walk itchy fucking country defending history armenians network years likes enter forum make fools simply vanish armenians dont give freedom speach bullshit realize turkey freedom speech considered bullshit freedoms turks allowed attend georgia tech freedom ended started writing things people translate ebenin donu butti kafa david problem stand heat leave government murdered million armenians stay quiet suit personal fancy fascist fetish greatness turkey simply anacim hade timucin bogaz david davidian sdpa armenia learned lesson center regional studies anatolia forgotten punishment inflicted cambridge late turkish president turgut ozal 
seventh century armenian math problems organization college engineering oregon state university lines nntp posting host rize orst problem father told story famous wars armenians persians prince zaurak kamsarakan performed extraordinary heroic deeds times single month attacked persian troops time struck half persian army time pursuing persians slaughtered fourth soldiers time destroyed eleventh persian army persians alive numbering hundred eighty fled nakhichevan remainder find persian soldiers massacre answer corollary armenians strike slaughter destroy massacre innocent asala network claims 
ccounts anti armenian human violations azerbaijan summary prelude current events nagorno karabakh organization center regional studies lines accounts anti armenian human violations azerbaijan prelude current events nagorno karabakh asked matter overturned killing armenians deposition zaven armenakovich badasian born employed sumgait bulk yarn plant resident building apartment microdistrict sumgait azerbaijan february wife baku shopping returned sumgait evening relatives station talking people gathered store happening fellow azerbaijani standing home immediately asked matter overturned killing armenians helped catch home safely home days time gang bandits courtyard neighbors building sticks pieces armatures hands shouting understand voice shouting chorus turned building floor breaking glass throwing things window entryway pair jeans hands tape recorder guitar auto parts store save midnight march hide school microdistrict armenian families altogether ernest moved sumgait kirovabad azerbaijani guard school plead talk told attack microdistrict upstairs classroom floor city radio station announced telephone numbers summon assistance communicate important called secretary sumgait city party committee answered asked assistance school evacuated wait sending voice secretary plant spoken personally called muslimzade hours call heard shouts school looked window people armenians clubs axes armature shafts hands guard asked life armenians left armenians back door pointed hand shouts noise direction pointed assistance promised sending real soldiers positive muslimzade entering school knew case stayed school morning soldiers sort morning relative microdistrict soldiers club club jammed people lots people ahead space small months died arms single doctor uninjured wounds bruises gave mouth mouth resuscitation circumstances unable save mother father young armenian couple floor searched spot small child wanted find room family floor soldiers bandaged canes limping heads broken open terrible sight young bandaged armenians beaten crying wailing calling city party committee completely true snack sausage kopeks kopeks package cookies cost kopeks sold bottled soft drink cost ruble things cheaper uncle aram mikhailovich tears welled eyes life told friendly peoples worked azerbaijanis house cried understand feelings april yerevan reference sumgait tragedy pogroms armenians soviet azerbaijan volume eyewitness accounts edited samuel shahmuradian forward yelena bonner published aristide caratzas pages david davidian sdpa armenia learned lesson center regional studies anatolia forgotten punishment inflicted cambridge late turkish president turgut ozal 
turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece armenia azeris organization embl european molecular biology laboratory lines article writes atakan repeated past repeat greeks treating turks greece copatriots simply shut hearing simply form propaganda ethnic fellows studied greek universities paying money tuition food helth insurance high school graduate simple math compare grouth turkish community greece destruction greek minority turkey aykut atalay atakan panos tamamidis tamamidis repling claims suggest kind individuals make points abouts human rights discriminations unequal treatment turkish minority greece world treat people deny make difrence write things eyes prove prejudice free insurance school greeks give things turkish minority rights words discriminate people giving favor people giving thing reality unhuman practices conducted government greece suggest investigate facts discuss basic human rights fredom religion eyes freedom religion blind fredom press turkish weeks read interview turkish journalist greek magazine forbiden turkish press greece minority ethnic cleansing turks greece give brake call athnic cleansing apopulation doubles freedom property government intervention greece country property inform goverment fredom vote choose community leaders turkish area komotini elect represenatives area greek parliament freedom turks living greek government encourages people destroy religious places houses farms schools turkish minority forcing turkey deny actions fanatics sides reported minority greek idiots attack religious places protected greek police photographs greek policemen preventing turks brain minority greek press conclude writing point greeks treated turkey greek minority part society difference people turkey state greek minority turkish universities free insurance food health insurance basic human part turkish community businesses belong greeks turkey proud unlike greece destroy turkish minority encourage minorities turkey part turkish society give brake minorities turkish treated countrymen prisons bacause political beliefs reported turks turkey paradise human rights business greeks turkey years intelligent presenting turkey paradise human rights invastigate matter aykut atalay atakan 
israeli press organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host thor cwru andy beyer claimed israeli press biased fact events shaping politics mideast people read israeli press simply events mentioned read israeli press learn important events total reliance western media information israel read american media israeli media absolute certainty reliesx exclusively american press knowledge israel true picture claim israeli papers biased lean left media america report events people choose form opinions israel mideast based knowledge average american relies exclusively american media report events mideast consistency accuracy 
israel kill reporters organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host thor cwru anas omran claimed israelis arrest kill neutral reporters assertion anas omran total fabrication truth anas omran document despicable event assume piece anti israel bullshit posted family teach children truth omran care retract error glad retract accusation liar document claim glad apologize calling liar failing show liar 
rejoinder questions israelis nntp posting host organization school computer science carnegie mellon lines article center policy research writes center policy research subject rejoinder questions israelis dear josh fact sought answer questions totally happy answers fully answer question israeli cards identify holders jews arabs imply citizens identify race true mislead reader mislead people cases race information sought completely voluntary census possibly excepted anwar 
israeli terrorism lines anas omran writes earlier posting high rank israeli officer killed clash whith hamas fantasy begins mujahid terrorist israelis chased killed young mujahid anti tank missiles terrorist zionists mujahid body small pieces extend body recognized leat houses destroyed atni tank missiles anas omran fantastic story anas curious sources grossly exaggerated account blatant surprises story made front pages major newspapers love make state israel evil humanly story eaten papers explain heard expecting reply story dreams michael zion magil canada laboratory 
israeli terrorism organization thinking machines corporation cambridge lines distribution world nntp posting host composer article freenet anas omran writes neutral human rights organizations report situation people israelis deep israelis arrest kill neutral reporters kind terrorism committed jews palestine fair neutral coverage situation palestine list names neutral reporters killed interesting note outbreak intifada palestinian parties quickly began orchestrating demonstrations benefit media spoken danish reporter covered initfada case found mass demonstration outskirts gaza setup colleagues asked footage shot replied affirmatively happen case began closing sensitive trouble spots reporters anas omran shai guday stealth bombers software engineer thinking machines corp winged ninja skies cambridge 
seventh century armenian math problems nntp posting host bellini berkeley organization berkeley lines article orst cetin kaya writes problem father told story famous wars armenians persians prince zaurak kamsarakan performed extraordinary heroic deeds times single month attacked persian troops time struck half persian army time pursuing persians slaughtered fourth soldiers time destroyed eleventh persian army persians alive numbering hundred eighty fled nakhichevan remainder find persian soldiers massacre answer thought implication prince destroyed fourth remaining persian troops round remaining round answer 
israel kill reporters lines anas omran claimed israelis arrest kill neutral reporters assertion anas omran total fabrication truth anas omran document despicable event assume piece anti israel bullshit posted family teach children truth omran care retract error glad retract accusation liar document claim glad apologize calling liar failing show liar retract accusation liar omran retracts verbal diarrohea prove liar retraction pointless giving opportunity save face uttering bullshit encourage style impressive mark mike emik opinions expressed mikem blue mike 
unconventional peace proposal nntp posting host virginia organization rochester institute technology rochester lines article goykhman herring writes article center policy research writes center policy research subject unconventional peace proposal unconventional proposal peace middle east elias davidsson stated assumptions state proposal fund established disburse grants child born couple partner israeli palestinian arab emergence considerable number mixed marriages israel palestine relatives sides divide make conflict lose ethnical unsoluble core strengthen emergence civil society existence strong mixed stock people integration israeli society sounds racial theory hitler outlined mein kampf similar comment lack elias proposal distressing people profoundly ignorant nazi racial doctrine elias idea opposite nazis believed racial purity racial assimilation instructive nazi attitude gypsies nazi theoreticians gypsies aryan race persecuted huge numbers murdered european gypies considered pure gypsies mongrels formed pure gypsy race undesirable races difference theoretical approach jews gypsies true wwii purist gypsies hunted theory forgotten brendan email 
ozal died organization center regional studies lines announced turkish president ozal died heart attack ankara david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
israeli press nntp posting host alcor concordia organization concordia university montreal canada lines freenet mark kaufman writes information israel read american media israeli media absolute certainty reliesx exclusively american press knowledge israel true picture read arab media read arab israeli post network western american french british reports give israel arabs bias scale switch polarities israeli newspapers american leading newspapers news range israelis israelis montreal suburban local free newspaper closer kahane views israeli wing newspapers british range neutral french iknow range afro french magazines arab official media range egyptian overdo stir people israel claim israeli papers biased lean left media america report events people choose form opinions israel mideast based knowledge average american relies exclusively american media report events mideast consistency accuracy average bias read average american read read york times similar news makers read biased newspapers 
israel expansion organization cybernet boca raton florida lines andi beyer writes waldo writes andi beyer writes holocaust holocaust ignorant holocaust nazi germany people including sign argument merit stating qualifications area nazi germany show shut simple suffering jews wwii justifies crimes commited israeli government attempt call civil liberterians anti semetic appreciated jews suffered wwii beloved perished tortured suffered calling directed civil libertarians general dropping fancy sounding political term attempt cite qualifications order obfuscate glaring unpreparedness argument back minors junior humans suffered emotionally jews suffered physically people blinded emotions facts calling names assures kind ignorant people dealing included letter thought demonstrated point write support fact argument covering inadequacies feigned offense back league 
clinton views jerusalem originator hamid mcrcim mcgill nntp posting host celeborn mcrcim mcgill organization mcgill research centre intelligent machines lines article bellcore feigenbaum benjamin writes recently read bill clinton campaign stated elected immediately recognize jerusalem israel capital article clinton reaffirmed winning presidency recent talks president mubarak secretary state christopher stated status jerusalem final matter discussion parties start discussion status jerusalem authenticate clinton statements dates places results backed peace process hamid 
hamas death organization digital equipment corp newsreader lines nstramer dazixco ingr naftaly stramer writes hamas death transcript recruitment training videotape made summer qassam battalions military opposed israel ways death bombers artillery lebanese towns villages fire arms lethal variants tear rubber coated bullets stone throwers tanks anti tank missiles homes minute evacuation warning shin reasonable physical pressure interrogation counting past practices bombardment beirut bombing egyptian school bahr bakar factory downing libyan airliner full egyptian passengers time overseeing maronite massacre sabra shatilla numerous massacres irgun gangs british mandate period ironically page times naftaly copied article running article rosenthall blaming bosnian muslims genocide effectively stupid seek independence independence bring people slaughter expect rosenthall wasted chance bash arabs muslims alaa zeineldine 
hezbollah reply hernlem ncsu brad hernlem organization ncsu chem lines article tclock clock writes article hernlem ncsu brad hernlem writes article tclock clock writes suggesting guerillas population cover israel totally back easiest attacking innocent shield hope respects innocent lives guerillas wrong assuming civilians cover assuming brad discussion bring elements addressed commented made comment wrong civilians cover israelis guerillas injured parties continue fight pardon fail detect presence responsible planting bomb killed troops exact number whereabouts villages shelled possibly guerrillas targetted villages arbitrary retaliation buffer zone prevent attacks israel working neccessary israeli guns pound lebanese villages kill infiltrate buffer zone shelling villages called retaliation back make sense shell villages shows reckless disregard israeli government lives civilians agree thought israel bombing sortees bombing policy stupid thoughtless inhumane ineffective reason israel passive wait attackers chose reason taking fight enemy stop attacks previously israel spent decades sitting passively side border acting stop attacks attackers entered israeli territory work host arab state stop attacks side border israel number attacks considerably higher physical psychological impact civilians caught path problem original reason invasion palestinian attacks israel lebanese attacks attacks israel neighboring arab states start hope happen occur arab states show prepared responsibility duty stop guerilla attacks israel soil prove provide guaratees israel accept word past attitude tolerance anti israel guerillas residence israel accept word imho business wasting time coming peace talks selectively applied statement reason drawn impasse ababs palestinians israelis side accept word criteria stay negotiations precisely palestinians recent pisga proposal interim period negotiations leading full autonomy demanding conditions essentially define autonomy trust israel follow entire process palestinians reach full autonomy understand accept viewpoint palestinians israel view arabs palestinians trust arab palestinians words reluctant give tangible assets land control areas exchange words reason concerned sorts guarantees arabs follow part agreement reached statement applies sides neccessary separate legitimately negotiable country abuse human rights deciding states palestine legitimate question facto state exists israel treat domain equitably ignoring fact palestinians lebanon disarmed hezbollah remains independent militia hezbollah attack israel times burned sheikh mosavi wife young major armaments allowing people wage civil wars removed weapons needed cross border attacks remain extent rocket attacks continue commando raids require easily concealed weapons refined disregard human life attacks continue afraid true justify occupying neighbor land israel resolve disputes native palestinians peace attacks israel withdraw lebanon stop assassinating people shelling villages make lebanese guano situation call existed attacks commonplace true lebanese attacking israel strong lebanese government free syrian israeli interference border adequately patrolled palestinian heavy weapons siezed past years significant threat existed fall trap treating lebanese palestinians part group arabs muslims times people support bombing palestinian camps retaliation death hands lebanese resistance shelling lebanese villages retaliation palestinian attack 
hamas death nntp posting host orion organization university california irvine lines article alaa alaa zeineldine writes nstramer dazixco ingr naftaly stramer writes hamas death transcript recruitment training videotape made summer qassam battalions military alaa zeineldine brought separate question israel unjustified policies practices unclear reaction practices polocies reflected article 
holocaust memorial museum costly dangerous mistake organization specialix lines jack schmidling writes article jake bony jake livni writes private contributions federal land hate mongering article devoid current historical fact intellectual content social toilet unbiased source things israel times trained seals responded recognize statement private funds exmpt otherwords american taxpayers money finalyy federal land mitigate offensiveness alien monument dedicated perpetuating pitty continual flow money foreign entity federal land money commerate americans house homeless americans donations deductible donations profit organization donated money group restoring streetcars deductible contribute group helping homeless concerned 
final solution palestine lines turn driving jews sick tired driving jews sentance attributed islamic movements simply proven part plan suggest chech palestinian national covenant exact words quoted agree message issued back home find precise section research hope realize yasser arafat renounced covenant western media inform officially enequivocally exact intentions issue concerned covenant stands bible speak mainstream palestinian national movement israeli activists repeat parrots checking authenticity coined bnai brith staunch israel activist confidently bnai brith influenced opinions arab israeli conflict mentioned research subject lead reach similar conclusion palestinian national movement cases properly speak people share views hamas islamic jihad arab media islamic state protects rights inhabitants koranic reversal situation jews palestine control land muslim inhabitants situation negative situation presume situation jordanian occupiers east jerusalem jews worship holiest site judiasm ranic exercised suggested reading culture arabic newsgroup posters debating topic jews remind people debating devout muslims knowledge find jews viewed positively lightly jews islamic religion treated islamic state governed words situation jerusalem return committed crimes humanity torture blowing homes murders treated criminal political thought movements shows freedom choice jews living leaving destintion choice jews freedom choice option ranic muslims women remember gulf reports women rights saudi arabia islamic state loss explain inside arafat mind break news palestinian brethren covenant null void assassinated political thinking fetched israel acting true super power region islamic movements weapon jews establish state religion conclusion ahmed library find palestinian national covenant read carefully redpath library stock found research enjoy reading hope hearing back mike emik opinions expressed mikem blue mike corp toronto canada 
desertification negev originator ahmeda mcrcim mcgill nntp posting host mcrcim mcgill organization mcgill research centre intelligent machines lines article brown danny keren writes nonsense lived negev years beduins moved harmed contrary standard living climbed sharply live nice permanent houses cars beduin students gurion university good friendly relations rest population beduins surprised read davidson poster danny keren nonsense danny refute proof citing experience article comparing condition change facts ahmed 
freedom organization bell laboratories lines article andi beyer writes columbia writes dear beyer wise confuse freedom speech freedom racism violent deragatory unfortunate fail understand crucial distinction fact speach offensive protection freedom speach laws useless speach find questionable protected religiously blasphemous inherently racist civilized discourse scare tactics enlighten perceives ignorant idea freedom expression find offensive perceived truth find offensive belief free exchange ideas insults case channel change erring ways jefferson afraid tolerate error long reason left combat forward offensive posts sysadmin curtailing anyones freedom speech nazi movement make speeches speeches published times depends times analysis economic extent newsworthy speeches likewise sysadmin fellows system feels resources manner interests embarassing organization york times conduit ideas poster free loading pocket book posts controls purse strings make decision funds spent spent poster jail bombs local building symbol hatred freedom speech equates accessibility conduits information market ideas natural selection process weeds credible ideas importance seth rosenthal disclaimer opinions employers 
holocaust memorial museum costly dangerous mistake organization netcom online communication services guest lines article jack schmidling writes times trained seals responded recognize statement private funds exmpt otherwords american taxpayers money dammit arfarf latest excretion escape kill file changed sites sigh assume person planet login mike pelt local prohibitions block advances military commercial technology democratic movements local restraint restrain world democracies world eric drexler 
israeli terrorism anas anus organization james capel pacific limited tokyo japan lines anas omran writes earlier posting anas high rank israeli officer killed clash whith hamas anas mujahid terrorist israelis chased killed young mujahid anas anti tank missiles terrorist zionists mujahid anas body small pieces extend body recognized anas leat houses destroyed atni tank missiles israeli soldiers killed hamas mujahid anti tank missile terrorist zionists able body desintegrated missile stop polluting fantasies tsiel tsiel ohayon receive mail employer opinions percent 
exact million muslims exterminated armenians organization itex jerusalem israel lines sera uucp serdar argic linden peter linden turks kill armenians jews kill germans make armenians laugh analogy jewish holocaust systematic extermination entire muslim population independent republic armenia consisted percent population republic memoirs armenian army officer participated witnessed atrocities published title references abound typical mutlu pvdl asks happened response happened grant armenians cosar accuses bearing turks accused understand stupid understand human moron amok compose pointless messages expect followup article argic alleviate puzzlement line list insults warren nysernet 
turkey cyprus bosnia serbia greece armenia azeris nntp posting host hydra maths unsw organization school mathematics unsw lines article tankut sabri atan writes article uiowa napoleon writes article tankut sabri atan panos tamamidis turks bear responsibility things happening today hard objective conflicts countries blame side sides anatolia heard turks surpises read remember treaty sevres consequence axis powers turks international supposed minorities greeks armenians kurds turk kurd relations improving slightly time pose threat turkey neighbours turks blatantly rejected treaty germans grudgingly accepted versailles million times worse health pride german people greeks army british french backing enforce sevres possibly appeasement young turk government managed screwed treaty laussane weak allies greek forces destroyed smyrna occurred incidently french warships harbour greeks escape swam french warships climbed aboard arms french clawed sides ships libertae egalitae fraternatae couple millions greeks living asia minor protect conflicts started side aggressive ither suffering compromise remember action turkish government removing visa requirement greeks turkey thought positive attempt make relations compromise invasion cyprus involment turkey greek politics refusal turkey accept miles territorial waters stated international properties greeks konstantinople ownership islands greek lake aegean things compromise greeks mentioned talk educated people person turkey politics business business turks individuals hatred person supports policies turkish goverment directly indirecly person nationality makes support actions goverment make people hate supporter policies turkish goverment price makes kind brainwashing greece educated person treat person nation history books things learn greek turkish encounters schooling easy tankut atan tankut achtung baby brainwashing turn people turks talk greeks arabs slavs kurds people luck turkish occupation talk murders rapes distruction learn turks history books learn people experienced hand turkish friendliness napoleon napoleon kind people preventing peace world answer question asked posting told bullshit posting positive point issue filled hatred filled emotions forget worth discuss issue tankut atan tankut achtung baby 
conventional proposales israel palestinians organization cirrus logic lines fact israel discussing palestinians composition armed palestinian police force territories transition phase real solid concessions liberal thinking part israeli side chris metcalfe 
moment silence perpetrators turkish genocide reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article ucsd system operator writes april approaching armenians world ready remember massacres family members celebrating cold blooded genocide million muslim people criminal grandparents cover genocide perpetrated fascist grandparents grandparents heard april soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul power tear veil illusion create severe artificial life support system imagined ethnic purity falsely trust structure support heart beats alien land sahak melkonian preserving armenian purity world ensuing years armenian dictatorship premeditated systematic genocide complete centuries policy annihilation turks kurds savagely murdering million muslims deporting rest year homeland attempt genocide justly regarded instance genocide century acted entire people event incontrovertibly proven historians government international political leaders ambassador mark bristol william langer ambassador layard james barton stanford shaw arthur chester john dewey robert dunn papazian nalbandian ohanus appressian jorge blanco villalta general nikolayef general bolkovitinof general prjevalski general odiselidze meguerditche kazimir motayef twerdokhlebof general hamelin rawlinson avetis aharonian stephan eshnanie varandian general bronsart arfa hamlin boghos nubar sarkis atamian katchaznouni rachel bortnick halide edip mccarthy allen paul muratoff hurewitz professor government emeritus director middle east institute columbia university bernard lewis cleveland dodge professor eastern history princeton university halil inalcik university professor ottoman history member american academy arts sciences university chicago peter golden professor history rutgers university newark stanford shaw professor history university california angeles thomas naff professor history director middle east research institute university pennsylvania ronald jennings associate professor history asian studies university illinois howard reed professor history university connecticut dankwart rustow distinguished university professor political science city university graduate school york john woods associate professor middle eastern history university chicago john masson smith professor history university california berkeley alan fisher professor history michigan state university avigdor levy professor history brandeis university andreas bodrogligetti professor history university california angeles kathleen burrill associate professor turkish studies columbia university roderic davison professor history george washington university walter denny professor history university massachusetts caesar farah professor history university minnesota goodrich professor history indiana university pennsylvania tibor halasi professor emeritus turkish studies columbia university justin mccarthy professor history university louisville mandaville professor history portland state university oregon robert olson professor history university kentucky madeline zilfi professor history university maryland james stewart robinson professor turkish studies university michigan list serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
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armenians celebrating genocide million muslim people reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article ucsd system operator writes painfully witnessed azerbaijan happen joke month fascist grandparents exterminated million muslim people nazi parents fully participated extermination european jewry wwii criminal cousins slaughtering muslim women children elderly people fascist soviet armenia karabag years entire population soviet armenia result genocide million muslim people armenians thousand years turkish kurdish people lived homeland hundred oppressive soviet armenian occupation persecutions culminated armenian government planned carried genocide muslim subjects million turks kurds murdered remainder driven homeland thousand years turkish kurdish lands empty turks kurds survivors found safe heaven turkiye today soviet armenian government rejects turks kurds return muslim lands occupied soviet armenia today soviet armenian government covers genocide perpetrated predecessors accessory crime humanity soviet armenian government crime genocide muslims admitting crime making reparations turks kurds turks kurds demand return lands determine future nation homeland anniversary reiterate unity muslim people timelessness turkish kurdish demands desire pursue struggle restitution struggle unites turks kurds today appeal turkish kurdish people united states canada participate masse commemorative events cultural political religious serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
today marks anniversary turkish genocide reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article ucsd system operator writes painfully witnessed azerbaijan happen joke month fascist grandparents exterminated million muslim people nazi parents fully participated extermination european jewry wwii criminal cousins slaughtering muslim women children elderly people fascist soviet armenia karabag years entire population soviet armenia result genocide million muslim people armenians thousand years turkish kurdish people lived homeland hundred oppressive soviet armenian occupation persecutions culminated armenian government planned carried genocide muslim subjects million turks kurds murdered remainder driven homeland thousand years turkish kurdish lands empty turks kurds survivors found safe heaven turkiye today soviet armenian government rejects turks kurds return muslim lands occupied soviet armenia today soviet armenian government covers genocide perpetrated predecessors accessory crime humanity soviet armenian government crime genocide muslims admitting crime making reparations turks kurds turks kurds demand return lands determine future nation homeland anniversary reiterate unity muslim people timelessness turkish kurdish demands desire pursue struggle restitution struggle unites turks kurds today appeal turkish kurdish people united states canada participate masse commemorative events cultural political religious serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
rmenians partners nazi practices reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article arromdee arromdee writes implies sides equal true difficult living alternate universe numerous articles major newspapers london times periodicals newsweek suggested existence significant collaboration armenians nazis arthur derounian deserves credit person deal issue extensively derounian motives twofold deeply held democratic convictions gave sense duty felt obliged shed light dark chapter armenian history concurrently derounian embarked call crisis control face saving order forestall potential attacks larger armenian community united states marginalized collaboration deplorable insignificant john carlson real arthur derounian plotters dutton company york source mitteilungsblatt berlin december historical fact fact years deliberately forgotten concealed wiped memory fact armenian nazi collaboration magazine called mitteilungsblatt deutsch armenischen gesselschaft clearest definite proof collaboration magazine published berlin nazi rule germany continued publication magazine implies declaration armenian nazi cooperation attention magazine issue proves collaboration historically important documentary evidence heap writing admonition world opinion mankind nazi germany armenians considered aryan race political economic social rights granted occupied positions public service partners nazi practices world awaited considered aryan befell wait source sardarapat sevres lausanne avetis aharonian armenian review autumn paragraph chiefs hamazasp kulkhandanian ringleaders bands destroyed tartar villages staged massacres zangezour surmali etchmiadzin zangibasar intolerable pointed file official documents table december reports months ruined tartar villages representative wardrop official tartar communique speaks destruction villages paragraph repeat massacre tartars stopped chiefs removed military leadership supply arms ammunition armed bands hamazasp kulkhandanian past months raided destroyed tartar villages regions surmali etchmiadzin zangezour zangibasar official charges massacres serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
year turkish nation mourning praying reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines referring notes personal diary russian general odishe liyetze turkish front wrote nights march armenian butchers bayoneted axed death muslims areas surrounding erzincan barbars threw victims pits sinister plans extinguish muslims groups adjutant counted unearthed pits world civilization march lieut colonel griyaznof wrote official russian account turkish genocide roads leading villages littered bayoneted torsos dismembered joints carved organs muslim peasants alas women children source azmi suslu russian view atrocities committed armenians turks ankara universitesi ankara document archive cabin drawer file section contents acting commander erzurum deveboynu regions commander erzurum artillery regiment prisoner lieutenant colonel toverdodleyov things heard months liberation erzurum turks surpassed allegations vicious degenerate characteristic armenians russian occupation erzurum armenian permitted approach city environs commander army corps general kaltiyin remained power troops including armenian enlisted area security measures lifted armenians began attack erzurum surroundings attacks plundering houses city villages murder owners houses plundering widely committed soldiers plunder committed armenian soldiers remained rear passing streets horseback group soldiers including armenian soldier began drag seventy years direction roads covered people dragging helpless turks dirt understood tricks traps turks joined gendarmarie changed minds withdrew reason turks night patrol return knew happened turks city labour began disappear finally court martial established trials murderers plunderers began liquidate fear punished incidents murder rape decreased began occur frequently january february leading turkish citizen haci bekir efendi erzurum killed night home commander chief odiselidge gave orders find murderers days commander chief bitterly reminded armenian intellectuals disobedience armenian enlisted reached highest point insulted robbed people half turks city returned learnt details incident commander chief odishelidge killings organized doctors employers killing committed solely armenian renegades hundred unarmed defenceless turks killed erzincan large holes defenceless turks slaughtered animals holes murdered turks thrown holes armenian stood hole hole filled corpses seventy dead bodies hole turks pieces thrown hole hole full covered soil armenians responsible murdering frequently fill house eighty turks heads erzincan massacre armenians began withdraw erzurum armenian renegades withdrew erzurum erzincan raided moslem villages road destroyed entire population villages transportation cannons ammunition carriages area people hired kurdish population conduct horse carriages travellers passing erzurum armenians advantage time russian soldiers dwellings began kill kurds hired russian soldiers heard cries dying kurds attempted armenians threatened russian soldiers vowing fate intervened prevented acting terrifying acts slaughter committed hatred loathing lieutenant medivani russian army incident witnessed erzurum armenian shot kurd kurd fell armenian attempted force stick hand mouth dying kurd kurd firmly closed jaws agony armenian failed attempt armenian ripped open abdomen kurd disembowelled finally killed stamping iron heel boot odishelidge told turks escape village ilica killed heads axes told thousands murdered children lieutenant colonel gryaznov passed village ilica weeks massacre told thousands dead bodies hacked pieces roads armenian happened pass roads cursed spat corpses courtyard mosque meter square dead bodies piled height centimeters corpses women children people women bodies obvious marks rape genitals filled powder educated armenian worked telephone operators armenian troops called lieutenant colonel gryaznov courtyard mosque bitterly told proud armenians lieutenant colonel disgusted amazement armenian started laugh giggle horrified lieutenant colonel severely reprimanded indecent behaviour told armenians including women generally licentious wildest animals indecent shameful laughter obvious evidence inhumanity barbarity scene appalled veteran soldiers armenian finally remembered sense shame claimed laughed nervous armenian contractor alaca communication zone command narrated incident place february armenians nailed turkish women wall women heart heart head great massacre erzurum began february enlisted artillery division caught stripped people people bath satisfy lusts people group able save lives result decisive attempts armenians claimed released learnt understood organized treacherous envoy armenian officers karagodaviev today turks murdered streets february armenians shot innocent moslems russian soldiers attempted save people threatened death imprisoned armenian murdering innocent turk armenian officer told armenian murderer hanged crime killer shouted furiously dare hang armenian killing turk erzurum armenians burned turkish market february heard entire population tepekoy village situated artillery area totally annihilated antranik entered erzurum reported massacre asked track perpetrators horrible result achieved villages inhabitants massacred natural silence night february armenians deceived russians perpetrated massacre escaped fear turkish soldiers understood massacre based method organized planned circular population herded place killed number murders committed night reached thousand armenians bragged details massacre armenians fighting turkish soldiers number cowardly withstand turkish soldiers consisted hundred people cannons night leading armenians community prevented massacre armenian intellectuals shared ideas renegades massacre lower classes armenian community obeyed orders leading armenian figures commanders give impression armenian intellectuals accessories murders people opposed armenians actions understood yield result people minority people considered traitors armenian seemingly opposed armenian murders supported massacres secretly hand preferred remain silent accused russians infamy russians understand armenian armenians conscience commit massacres flee fear turkish soldiers serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
israeli terrorism organization aiken computation harvard university lines article freenet anas omran writes previous article tclock clock article andi beyer writes truth arab palestinian news outlets understand learn form propoganda reliable neutral human rights organizations report situation neutral organization report situation israel elderly children victims stabbings hamas activists neutral organization report israeli arabs full civil rights israelis arrest kill neutral reporters care names unsubstantiated slander kind terrorism committed jews palestine fair neutral coverage situation palestine terrorism spine allowed stand random attacks civilians terorism includes things shooting cripple thowing side boat jewish allowing people stabbed killed lawyer killed week terorism adam adam shostack adam harvard budget drugs sexual favors waste members congress john perry barlow 
legality jewish purchase organization department redundancy department lines article columbia amir rosenblatt writes article zbib writes shafting part arab land owners notifying tenant farmers responsible make provisions leaving fate landlord sells apartment building vacant landlord fails notify tenants find street sudden seller scoundrel crook make buyer thief israelis called interesting acknowledge palestinians shafted israelis jews share opinion absolve purchaser ethical commitments written share opinion mine agree fallahin caught circumstances control land sake greater arab unity arabs angry land sold jews illegal jordan happened business arabs lived coast western palestine called israel shafted brother arabs shafted decades arab bretheren arab call continued blame israel syrian landowner sell western palestine israel occupation eastern palestine jordan hashemites refusing blame actions infra structure imho palestinians grounds contest legality purchase world court eliminated corporate takeover court lose jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
center policy resea organization department redundancy department lines article center policy research writes readers conference interested center polict research oblige trumpets elias davidsson icelandic citizen born palestine mother thrown germany belonged undesirables times group defined jews forced palestine cynical factors forced palestine dreadful unlike undesirables jews forced chamber forced bulldozer thrown river forced medical experiment forced march dropped dead burned nothingness crematorium mother forced palestine deepest sympathies settled iceland years pleased hear escape suffer fate mother people thrown homeland palestine homeland palestine reason belonged indesirables assume refering jews kicked homes jerusalem jordanian occupation east jerusalem people called thieves claiming houses owned lived sold people include neighbors jerusalem children played child crime theyare jews heard crime israel crime times places crime conscience accept injustice period brains accept logic work justice principled opposition racism racial discrimination protest practices arab countries support long protest based principled position tactic deflect criticism israel written accept criticism arab world deflects criticism israel case presume longer support criticism arab world struggle discrimination racism universal taling discrimination center policy research gave activities undertaken guidance domains command support volunteers iceland formal institution works minimal funds careful starting sound barfling professionally music teacher composer published pieces piano music taught widely europe hope discussion israel palestine conducted civilized manner calling names helpful good call center policy research jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
holocaust memorial museum costly dangerous mistake organization mcsnet contributor chicago lines nntp posting host localhost article maurer writes jack schmidling writes recognize statement private funds exmpt donations deductible donations profit organization donated money group restoring streetcars deductible contribute group helping homeless concerned contribute mortgage fund interest rates plumetted paid problem convince congress move home nicer location federal land building alleged funded exempt private funds maintainence operating costs borne taxpayers forever guess point mentioned 
seventh century armenian math problems keywords philosphy greece persians math organization world public access unix brookline lines delightful message interesting kindly written prof kramer boston university 
israeli terrorism article organization aiken computation harvard university lines article tclock clock writes article amoss huji amos shapira writes freenet anas omran writes give details event neutral observer killed purpose israeli soldier understand justifying rationale recent murder feinberg gaza hate simple minded simple dirty good peoples mind dead years propaganda fails discriminate zionist years statements appended someones mind make people sick drag political discourse point killing opponent honorable resolve dispute demagogery peace adam arafat political pluralism palestinian leader suggests ending intifada exposes bullets people endangers life deal arafat kuwaiti news agency arafat massacre tienamin square behalf arab palestinian people leadership opportunity express extreme gratification able restore normal order recent incidents people china arafat telegram head chinese communist party yassir arafat humanitarian open fire jewish immigrants soviet union ethiopia disgrace lift finger herds immigrants settle territory shoot makes difference live jaffa jericho give explicit orders open fire stop flow immigration yassir arafat muharar lebanese weekly april yassir arafat genocide arabs volcano arabs part world people continue fuel torch revolution rivers blood occupied homeland liberated yasser arafat adam shostack adam harvard budget drugs sexual favors waste members congress john perry barlow 
letter president members congress newspapers stations reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world news software fsuucp lines today marks anniversary armenian genocide million turks kurds eastern anatolia soviet armenia letter represents small portion full text pages historical documents scholarly sources eyewitness accounts photographs president bill clinton members congress editors program directors columnists major newspapers journals radio stations anniversary armenian genocide million muslim people april year people turkiye remember dead grieve lost family lost homes grandfathers year turkish nation mourning praying fallen heroes gave lives generously altruism future generations live anointed soil turkish land happily prosperously letter years world soviet armenian government planned perpetrated genocide muslim people lives million muslim people method empty turkish homeland inhabitants turkish historic lands remain occupied soviet armenia order cover fact usurpation historic turkish homeland crux turkish political demands fascist soviet armenia continues anti turkish policy ways soviet armenia denies historical fact turkish genocide order shift international public opinion political responsibility soviet armenia employing asala sdpa terrorism revisionism triangle attempts call question veracity turkish genocide soviet armenia implemented state sponsored terrorism asala sdpa terrorism revisionism triangle attempt silence turkish people vehement demands protests human financial governmental resources soviet armenia tools united states attempt silence terrorism bribery subversive methods turkish supporters turkish political governmental humanitarian aforementioned methods soviet armenian government attempting neutralize international diplomatic community making turkish case contemporary issue efforts soviet armenian government terrorist revisionist organizations decades struggle closest systematically exterminated armenians international wall silence issue begun collapse number governments organizations supportive recognition turkish genocide full knowledge struggle turkish territorial demands initial stages turkish kurdish people unflaggingly continue sacred struggle victims turkish genocide demand soviet armenian government heirs armenian dictatorship recognize turkish genocide soviet armenia return historic homeland turkish kurdish people soviet armenian government make material reparations heinous unspeakable crime victims turkish genocide world governments united states officially recognize turkish genocide turkish territorial rights refuse succumb armenian political pressure government free friendly position adopted unreliable ally soviet armenia officially recognize historical fact turkish genocide supportive pursuit turkish territorial demands soviet republics officially recognize historical fact turkish genocide include cold blooded extermination million muslim people history books awareness turkish people necessity solidarity efforts pursue turkish victims genocide century positive step generation risen equipped deep sense commitment politically mature conscious determinedly pursue turkish means ranging political diplomatic armed struggle victims turkish genocide call muslims united states canada participate vigorously political cultural religious activities anniversary armenian genocide million muslim people serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
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final solution gaza summary davidsson basic facts nntp posting host colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article center policy research writes gaza strip tiny area land highest population density world world weeks israeli occupier decided punish population gaza people denying leave strip seek work israel repeate choice piece tripe checking sources deserve believed gaza strip possess highest population density world fact close serve illustrate folly statement city hong kong times population gaza strip roughly comparable land area centers numerous cities possess comparable higher population densities examples include manhattan island city paolo ciudad mexico bombay rest davidsson message closer truth repeated statement model decorum tranquillity sport battleground rival ideologies slug glee rice chess eric perlman center astrophysics space astronomy university colorado boulder 
israel expansion organization division applied sciences harvard university lines organization aiken computation harvard university keywords article paul pimentel writes isreal jeruseleum home muslim jewish religion israel jerusalem reasons include fact majority citizens israeli fact israel maintains religious freedom people historical connection judaism jerusalem jerusalem devided jordanian invasion cease fire agreement included individuals visit religious shrines cease fire agreement violated jordan jews visit holy sites control jordanians bulldozed synagoge city turned jewish cemetary hotel gravestones latrines israel allowed individuals religions jerusalem protected holy sites demonstrated fitness control city point islam centered jerusalem holy sites home islam mecca muslims make pilgramage hajj unlike israeli jerusalem jews christians allowed saudi mecca adam adam shostack adam harvard budget drugs sexual favors waste members congress john perry barlow 
israel expansion organization aiken computation harvard university lines article writes article tudelft cohen stuart writes article paul pimentel difference israel arabs christians respect israel freedom religion information islam permits freedom religion compulsion religion judaism permit freedom religion jews recognized judaism wondering islam compulsion dhimini judaism jews allowed effort made convert adam shostack adam harvard budget drugs sexual favors waste members congress john perry barlow 
seventh century armenian math problems summary wins free prize keywords philosophy greece persians math organization center regional studies lines article orst cetin kaya responded article sdpa david davidian wrote problem father told story famous wars armenians persians prince zaurak kamsarakan performed extraordinary heroic deeds times single month attacked persian troops time struck half persian army time pursuing persians slaughtered fourth soldiers time destroyed eleventh persian army persians alive numbering hundred eighty fled nakhichevan remainder find persian soldiers massacre answer good prize free trip karabakh azeri soldier calculate odds coming back populate area armenians corollary armenians strike slaughter destroy massacre innocent asala network claims fact notice mention turks shirak trebizon seventh century story fact places filled armenians fact turkish genocide armenians armenians left shirak trebizon turks kurds fact pontus greeks left alive trebizon conclusion numbers case david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
final solution gaza organization aiken computation harvard university lines article center policy research writes people commented swill figured comments gaza strip tiny area land highest population density world world weeks hong kong cairo higher population densities israeli occupier decided punish population gaza people denying leave strip seek work israel fundamental work country closing strip punishment security measure stop people stabbing israelis gazans israeli jews dozens people humanitarian assistance dozens minus stabbed death days adam adam shostack adam harvard budget drugs sexual favors waste members congress john perry barlow 
final solution palestine nntp posting host colorado organization university colorado boulder lines article ahmeda mcgill ahmed abed writes article brown harry mamaysky writes article center policy research writes final solution gaza ghetto israeli jews fete uprising warsaw ghetto repress violent means uprising gaza ghetto attempt starve gazans jews warsaw ghetto fighting families nazi chambers groups hamas islamic jihad fight expressed purpose driving jews persuade jewish people wnderful freedom fighters attain ultimate goal freedom fighters choose spare operative jews counting elias pity murderers mother jewish ashamed davidsson harry turn driving jews sick tired driving jews sentance attributed islamic movements simply proven part plan discussed people statement attributable hajj amin husseini grand mufti jerusalem leader palestinian death squads chief henchmen coined rith matter jewish organization model decorum tranquillity sport battleground rival ideologies slug glee rice chess eric perlman center astrophysics space astronomy university colorado boulder 
symbiotics idiots antisemitism organization division applied sciences harvard university lines article center policy research writes center policy research zionism holocaust haim bresheeth point note appropriation history holocaust zionist propaganda zionism anti semitism impossible zionism agrees basic tenet anti semitism jews live jews wrong zionism acknowledges fact anti semites exist prevent jews living peace agree jews greedy jews kill christian children commited deicide acknowledge morons things adam adam shostack adam harvard budget drugs sexual favors waste members congress john perry barlow 
hizbollah reply colostate nntp posting host traver lance colostate organization engineering college colorado state university lines article ifaz utexas noam tractinsky writes paraphrasing rocket hizbollah fires galilee justify israel holding security zone noam agree noam point hope sides stop targeting civilians basil 
happy birthday israel organization university illinois urbana lines israel happy birthday 
final solution gaza nntp posting host orion organization university california irvine lines article perlman colorado eric perlman writes article center policy research writes gaza strip tiny area land highest population density world world weeks israeli occupier decided punish population gaza people denying leave strip seek work israel repeate choice piece tripe checking sources deserve believed gaza strip possess highest population density world fact close serve illustrate folly statement city hong kong times population gaza strip roughly comparable land area centers numerous cities possess comparable higher population densities examples include manhattan island city paolo ciudad mexico bombay rest davidsson message closer truth repeated statement elias initial statement standard procedure throw absurb overstated image order extra meaning posting real point statement real essential sealing gaza residents possibility making living happened israeli legitimate worry action action draconian clock graduate student department politics society university california irvine home irvine 
final solution palestine reply ahmeda mcgill message organization dept computer science brown university lines article ahmeda mcgill ahmed abed writes article brown harry mamaysky writes article center policy research writes final solution gaza ghetto israeli jews fete uprising warsaw ghetto repress violent means uprising gaza ghetto attempt starve gazans jews warsaw ghetto fighting families nazi chambers groups hamas islamic jihad fight expressed purpose driving jews persuade jewish people wnderful freedom fighters attain ultimate goal freedom fighters choose spare operative jews counting elias pity murderers mother jewish ashamed davidsson harry turn driving jews sick tired driving jews sentance attributed islamic movements simply proven part plan israeli activists repeat parrots checking authenticity coined bnai brith hamas islamic jihad arab media islamic state protects rights inhabitants koranic reversal situation jews palestine control land muslim inhabitants committed crimes humanity torture blowing homes murders treated criminal political thought movements shows freedom choice jews living leaving destintion choice loss explain inside arafat mind political thinking fetched israel acting true super power region islamic movements weapon jews establish state religion ahmed forget syntax ahmed focus semnatics fact recognize israel exist perfectly obvious covenant cairo covenant calls destruction zionist entity israel destruction clauses exist document specifies purpose existence post relevant caluses hamas ideal radical posted times copy happy repost phrasing groups hamas hezbollah newly moderate politically correct heart ideologies destrcution israel davidsson suggestion jews support people envolved organizations appealing jews harry 
hizbollah nntp posting host orion organization university california irvine lines article colostate writes article ifaz utexas noam tractinsky writes paraphrasing rocket hizbollah fires galilee justify israel holding security zone noam agree noam point hope sides stop targeting civilians basil absolutely civilians sides pleased fighters military guerilla argument find unpopulated area slug point breath sigh relief cheer side struggle clock graduate student department politics society university california irvine home irvine 
rivers organization aiken computation harvard university lines article ahmeda mcgill ahmed abed writes sick tired driving jews sentance attributed islamic movements simply proven part plan admit find quote meager online resources find arabs volcano arabs part world people continue fuel torch revolution rivers blood occupied homeland liberated yasser arafat ahmed driving jews ethnic cleansing river blood improvement adam adam shostack adam harvard budget drugs sexual favors waste members congress john perry barlow 
israeli press organization thinking machines corporation cambridge lines distribution world nntp posting host composer article benali concordia ilyess bdira writes read arab media israel make point listening news monte carlo radio united states generally read occasionally mainstream israeli newpaper read arab israeli post network western american french british reports give israel arabs bias scale switch polarities israeli newspapers american leading newspapers news range israelis israelis montreal suburban local free newspaper closer kahane views israeli wing newspapers british range neutral french iknow range afro french magazines arab official media range egyptian overdo stir people israel taking account longer representative mainstream israel purchased years battle control liberal left wing reporters walked owner stated past task geared explaining promoting israel position attacking likud time paper recommend reading middle stream factual aretz case years average bias read average american read read york times similar news makers read biased newspapers enquirer read leftist newspapers arrive conclusions information received highly selective extrapolating move shai guday stealth bombers software engineer thinking machines corp winged ninja skies cambridge 
happy birthday israel reply eshneken uiuc message organization dept computer science brown university lines article eshneken uiuc edward shnekendorf writes israel happy birthday neighbors peace 
seventh century armenian math problems organization university illinois urbana lines orst cetin kaya writes problem father told story famous wars armenians persians prince zaurak kamsarakan performed extraordinary heroic deeds times single month attacked persian troops time struck half persian army time pursuing persians slaughtered fourth soldiers time destroyed eleventh persian army persians alive numbering hundred eighty fled nakhichevan remainder find persian soldiers massacre answer corollary armenians strike slaughter destroy massacre innocent asala network claims turks track deaths lose count million hovig 
exact million muslims exterminated armenians organization nysernet lines sera uucp serdar argic linden peter linden turks kill armenians jews kill germans make armenians laugh analogy jewish holocaust systematic extermination entire muslim population independent republic armenia consisted percent population republic memoirs armenian army officer participated witnessed atrocities published title references abound typical mutlu pvdl asks happened response happened grant armenians cosar accuses bearing turks accused understand stupid understand human moron amok compose pointless messages expect followup article argic alleviate puzzlement line list insults article supplied longbox recycled words characters ideas warren nysernet 
final solution palestine nntp posting host bellini berkeley organization berkeley lines article brown harry mamaysky writes article ahmeda mcgill ahmed abed writes driving jews sick tired driving jews sentance attributed islamic movements simply proven part plan proven verified reasonable doubt statement statements matter public record nasser arab leaders broadcasting statements arab radio check newspapers ahmed hamas islamic jihad arab media islamic state protects rights inhabitants koranic hamas covenant written impression convenant original arabic translation verified arabic speakers document rife calls kill jews spread islam adam schwartz 
rejoinder questions israelis reply carleton steve birnbaum organization national capital freenet lines previous article center policy research today finally israel peace declare considers legitimate secure borders base negotiations facts mind blame arab countries fear israeli expansionism number wars proved yeah israel ready expand borders holiest year kippur arabs attacked wait chose omit supports exact opposite point make israel hardest egypt israel kicked force arabs refused accept existance israel based borders united nations egypt closed israeli shipping clear antagonistic attack response years constant shelling terrorist organizations golan heights children murdered time terrorists israel finally retaliated israel started borders expanded steve internet carleton fidonet mossad ocunix 
rejoinder questions israelis reply carleton steve birnbaum organization national capital freenet lines previous article center policy research answer question rights return conflicts told hundreds thousands jews left reason area israel control prevented returning sole reason jews jews left europe avoid clashes allowed return justify discrimination true mere fact person leaving area combat seek refuge reason stripping live homeland conveniently ommitting fact arab governments told arab citizens israel leave israel join arab armies felt assured victory occured arabs return homes reclaim wanted belonged jews arabs lost israel left bunch people kill wanted back country citizens kill jews israel sees arabs stayed citizens loyal israel leave arabs left avoid fighting distinguishing impossible decision made based secuturity country maintain israeli arabs living israeli kibbutzim evidence arabs working kibbutzim years accepted members kibbutzim arabs kibbutz visited employees hire people restaurants hotels people kibbutz cases paid properly kibbutz turns arab heard reflects membership comittee kibbutz kibbutz movement religious communities asked gladly abolish civil marriage people depend rabbis priests officiate marriages israel ruled secular majority answer satisfactory shows ignorant israeli politics major parties israel religious totally secular format government coalition religious parties pull needed form majority coalition fact heard present government influenced religious parties existance israel israel called secular state instace haifa city country arab cities buses jewish sabbath examples religion israel marriages israel contolled state rabbis priests disbelief fact sheds light ignorance country claim steve internet carleton fidonet mossad ocunix 
rejoinder questions israelis uucp lines center policy research subject rejoinder questions israelis shaig subject questions israelis dear shai answers questions unsatisfactory answer question nonexistence israeli nationality answer conflicts information received quarters distinct categories classifying israelis citizenship ezrahut nationality passports daily identification israeli society told people israel carry cards times present public places cards make clear holder arab maintain religious services provided reason provide evidence case serves purpose answer questions fact israel fixed borders state israel borders shaped reshaped peace read zionists beginning century plans jewish state extend lebanon transjordan jordan read express gurion declare israel borders israel established restrict israel opportunities expansion israel claims existence fact jews lived years promised land biblical sources area promised extend iraq borders biblical times israel considers proper today finally israel peace declare considers legitimate secure borders base negotiations facts mind blame arab countries fear israeli expansionism number wars proved answer question typical stalinist public official answer honest refer vanunu revelations israel nuclear arsenal evaluating truthfullness revelations truth punished lied punished honesty provided answer fourth question hidden prisoners israeli prisons posted article ariv documenting cases prisoners exist israel imply questions show bias formulated cast aspersions israel terms soviet union dissidents call soviet union disrepute questions disturbing call hysterical answers questions provocative meant seek facts happy convince told israel fabrications alas failed suspect fear truth open honest discussion sign weakness strength hope muster courage seek full truth 
rejoinder questions israelis uucp lines center policy research subject rejoinder questions israelis dear josh fact sought answer questions totally happy answers fully answer question israeli cards identify holders jews arabs imply citizens identify race true mislead reader democratic country people asked reveal ethnical religious identity public official requests answer question evasive kinds maps issued equivalent state policy respond question answer question israeli nuclear arsenal interesting israeli stocks nuclear weapons evidence maintaining fourth question answered posted ariv article documenting cases cases vanunu knew imprisoned imprisoned clarifying question legal status inhabitants occupied territories understand sets laws ares occupier civil occupied military israeli arabs settle hebron hebron arabs settle israel answer question rights return conflicts told hundreds thousands jews left reason area israel control prevented returning sole reason jews jews left europe avoid clashes allowed return justify discrimination true mere fact person leaving area combat seek refuge reason stripping live homeland answered question rabin signing order ethnical cleansing information rabin signed order expulsion inhabitants lydda ramleh people expulsions helped massacres civilians atrocities remind bosnia referred book israeli journalist benny goodman called origin palestinian refugee problem published cambridge university press book library maintain israeli arabs living israeli kibbutzim evidence arabs working kibbutzim years accepted members kibbutzim arabs question lack civil marriage israel true israeli legislator intended discourage intermarriage address question evaded entire religious establishment religious communities asked gladly abolish civil marriage people depend rabbis priests officiate marriages israel ruled secular majority answer satisfactory glad input comments elias 
israel expansion organization university virginia lines waldo writes andi beyer writes waldo writes andi beyer writes holocaust holocaust ignorant holocaust nazi germany people including sign argument merit stating qualifications area nazi germany show shut simple suffering jews wwii justifies crimes commited israeli government attempt call civil liberterians anti semetic appreciated jews suffered wwii beloved perished tortured suffered calling directed civil libertarians general dropping fancy sounding political term attempt cite qualifications order obfuscate glaring unpreparedness argument back minors junior humans suffered emotionally jews suffered physically people blinded emotions facts calling names assures kind ignorant people dealing included letter thought demonstrated point write support fact argument covering inadequacies feigned offense back league immaturity semitophiles andi beyer character shows signs anti semitism deviates norm accepted opinion attack venture answer andi question intelligent unoffending manner guilty backing viewpoints fact israelophiles start intelligent conversation insult race assuming semitic comment israeli terrorism hirgun branch militant groups fight british palestine fail israeli form terrorism terrorism practiced arabs jewish terrorist groups killed innocent british soldiers thta killed jews favor compromise palestinians addition massacred entire palestinian village contributing exodus frightened palestinians feared lives mention anti semitic part jewish righteousness part israelites pisses critical palestinians screwed jews damn shame palestinians german european anti semitism pissed immature closeminded righteous semites 
israeli terrorism organization university virginia lines eshneken uiuc writes andi beyer writes israeli press biased reporting events doubt propaganda machine goering reported accurately happening germany interesting basing truth israeli propaganda israeli reporting events israel propoganda washington post handling american events propoganda makes israeli press inherently biased opinion compare nazi propoganda provide evidence israeli inaccuracies parallels nazism suggest mouth shut sick tired anti semites comparing israel nazis opinion compare israel nazis anti semite damn true discredit israel andi comparing israel nazis israelis worse nazis nazis good germany succeeded damn jews holocaust happened ample evidence george schafer harvard dept history randolph higgins shown holocaust semitic conspiracy created obtain sympathy piush creation israel 
israeli terrorism reply freenet anas omran organization case western reserve university cleveland lines nntp posting host cwru previous article adam uucp adam shostack article tclock clock writes article amoss huji amos shapira writes freenet anas omran writes give details event neutral observer killed purpose israeli soldier cases remeber names isralis shot killed observer gaza half intifada world pictures israeli soldiers breaking cameras reporters kicking reporters confiscating cassettes showing reporters militery orders preventing areas pick pictures make reports 
rejoinder questions israelis organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host thor cwru realize principle strongest points question sort arab countries continue tank charade fixation israel stop start sort questions arab countries realize work arab countries treatment jews decades fixation israel begin biased attack group recognizes stupid center policy research fancy bigot hates israel honest hatred israel heard family lived israel members family competition true family true israel personal vendetta objective israel phony baloney center hides bias clue davidsson realized post stupidity group incur answers people armed truth realized piece selective data piece make truth realized head people read group stupid hope place pseudo analysis continually ripped shreds start show regard objectivity continue show anti israel zealot disguise bias pompous center policy research laughing stock center considered joke make attempt objective place honor clowns bigots idiots usenet 
israeli terrorism organization private site manfredo tichauer lines backon huji writes article freenet anas yahud needed blood matza passover month josh hurry celebrated pesach month xtian blood muslim blood declared kosher pesach hechscher manfredo tichauer email tichauer hanse opitzstrasse voice hamburg germany 
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final solution gaza organization aiken computation harvard university lines article tclock clock writes israeli legitimate worry action action draconian alternative suggest safeguard lives israeli citizens adam adam shostack adam harvard budget drugs sexual favors waste members congress john perry barlow 
israel expansion organization private site manfredo tichauer lines andi beyer writes ignorant holocaust nazi germany people including belong ignorants holocaust shoa real word write message date israeli press biased reporting events doubt propaganda machine goering informed gross mistake write message date correct goerbels goering airforce nazi propaganda machine joseph goebbels dare nazi germany people including learned history nazi germany austria family resent ignorant statements call people names disagree position opposing atrocities commited israeli governement qualifies anti semitism calling valid form argument intellectual circles make comparisons israels politics nazi german austrian politics shows degree ignorance high intellect humanity antisemitism average respect dissagrees long respects discusses civilized manner critizises israel politics antisemite antisemitic vocabulary terminology demagogy israel perfect country politicians commits errors corrupt politicians country carry huge burden care safety citizens easy task country surrounded enemies expect israel commits error wipe country jewish citizens called collaborators arabs wanted live peace jewish neighbours israel perfect country democracy middle east country world jews refuge case persecutions countries living long history taught rely jewish nations governments social economical political problems country broken glasses jews minorities country suffering jews wwii justifies crimes commited israeli government attempt call civil liberterians anti semetic appreciated outrageous murdered jews thousands survived shoa rest living mourning call civil libertarian heard thing civil libertarians denomination antisemites civil libertarians word group learn beyer civil libertarians antisemites wrong missusing word care andi beyer appreciates manfredo tichauer email tichauer hanse opitzstrasse voice hamburg germany 
holocaust memorial museum costly dangerous mistake nntp posting host saturn organization cubed division maxwell labs diego lines article smith harvard steven smith writes dgannon techbook gannon writes holocaust memorial museum costly dangerous mistake theodore keefe holocaust revisionism theodore keefe editor institute historical review educated harvard university harvard alumni directory keefe failed graduate decide educated steven smith education prerequisite employment true stands institution hysterical reviews curious minds 
rejoinder questions israelis organization thinking machines corporation cambridge lines distribution world nntp posting host composer article center policy research writes center policy research subject rejoinder questions israelis shaig subject questions israelis dear shai answer question nonexistence israeli nationality answer conflicts information received quarters distinct categories classifying israelis citizenship ezrahut nationality passports daily identification israeli society told people israel carry cards times present public places cards make clear holder arab maintain religious services provided reason provide evidence case serves purpose number points making assumptions manner cards true residents citizens tourists carry form identification citizens standard card purpose serves daily basis presented public places purpose identifying bearer takes place banks cashing checks post offices registered mail frankly rare present card activities week requirement forces people wave cards public services outlined discriminate bearer manner access information case field account interaction police based scenario general arab citizens recognizable arabs argument moot provide field discriminate officially answer questions fact israel fixed borders state israel borders shaped reshaped peace read zionists beginning century plans jewish state extend lebanon transjordan jordan read express gurion declare israel borders israel established restrict israel opportunities expansion israel claims existence fact jews lived years promised land biblical sources area promised extend iraq borders biblical times israel considers proper today finally israel peace declare considers legitimate secure borders base negotiations facts mind blame arab countries fear israeli expansionism number wars proved issue assertions arab countries fear israeli expansionism militarily israel capable holding large tracts land occupation hostile armed insurgent population sustained period time intifada heavily taxing israeli economy proof israeli withdrawal lebanon israeli troops pulled back awali litani order control minimal strip needed towns range katyusha missile fire public opinion israel turned settling intifada territorial concessions israel public sufferring battle fatigue sorts aware borders state agree manner negotiations held crux matter makes refrains stating starting position arab parties called total withdrawal return borders israel state large borders negotiations israel state smaller borders arab countries force smaller borders negotiations leaving matter settled negotiations peace treaties infinitely realistic answer question typical stalinist public official answer honest refer vanunu revelations israel nuclear arsenal evaluating truthfullness revelations truth punished lied punished honesty statement typical simple minded naivety center policy research vanunu revelations true bearing fact disclosing state secrets signed contracts forms understanding secrets made public punished weren moral obligation disclose reverse fact court found guilty issue number things understanding concept secrets state democratic govt provided answer fourth question hidden prisoners israeli prisons posted article ariv documenting cases prisoners exist israel noticed documenting fact prisoners exist documented fact exist noted evidently attention reports cases country mill tightly knit israel matter arrest made public short time frame people feelings matter arrest made public court order issued allowing delay hours granted judge convinced announcement irreparable harm ongoing investigation imply questions show bias formulated cast aspersions israel terms soviet union dissidents call soviet union disrepute questions disturbing call hysterical answers questions provocative meant seek facts happy convince told israel fabrications alas failed suspect fear truth open honest discussion sign weakness strength questions slanted questions termed tabloid journalism disturbing avoid attempt objectivity questions mccarthy basis witch hunts place questions lifted format stalinist prosecutors small bits evidence distort portray larger dirtier picture answers hysterical questions problem provocative selective fact seeking fall category seek answers real answer sorts suspect long answers questions unequivocal remain unsatified choose interprete sign strength ability remind mistaken environmentalists advocated culling wolves cruelty deer find broken food chain wreaked havoc environment sought protect color blindness exhibit true sign weakness hope muster courage seek full truth ditto shai guday stealth bombers software engineer thinking machines corp winged ninja skies cambridge 
wholesale extermination muslim population armenians reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article arromdee arromdee writes verifiable information instance person buggy product able reproduce fears retribution told public typical arromdian asala sdpa terrorism revisionism triangle change fact period armenian government ordered incited assisted participated genocide million muslim people race religion national origin armenians slaughter entire muslim population armenians slaughter muslim population bitlis armenians slaughter muslim population erzurum armenians slaughter muslim population diyarbakir armenians slaughter muslim population mamuretulaziz armenians slaughter muslim population sivas armenians slaughter entire muslim population soviet armenia mccarthy muslims minorities population ottoman anatolia empire york university press york karpat ottoman population university wisconsin press hovannisian armenia road independence university california press berkeley angeles shaw armenian collaboration invading russian armies history ottoman empire modern turkey volume reform revolution republic rise modern turkey london cambridge university press gochnak armenian newspaper published united states source adventures east rawlinson jonathan cape bedford square london published pages memoirs british officer witnessed armenian genocide million muslim people paragraph moslem villages plain searched arms armenians cloak search moslems killed horrible tortures inflicted endeavour obtain information valuables hidden armenians aware existence unable find paragraph arrival british brigade announcement kars province allotted supreme council allies armenians announcement made british troops completely withdrawn armenian occupation commenced trouble armenians commenced wholesale robbery persecution muslem population pretext forcibly deprive arms portion province lies plains able carry purpose manner referred serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
minority abuses greece reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article mpoly michael polymenakos writes zumabot claims opposite greeks allowing turks exit country explain number turks thrace steadily risen greeks goebels thought repeated times finally believed observing poly practicing goebels rule loyally poly audience made greeks allowed listen turkish news today informed world greek propagandists fool instance lived remember news watched newspapers read younger generation read american newspapers july august find happened turkiye greek hospital greek lycee alumni association principo islands greek benevolent society greek medical foundation principo greek orphanage foundation yovakimion greek lycee foundation fener greek lycee foundation greece longstanding adjective turkish titles signboards prohibited greek courts ordered closure turkish teachers association komotini turkish youth association ksanti turkish association grounds turks western thrace community associations active told remove word turkish buildings official papers eventually close final verdict november greek high court city komotini greek parliamentarian turkish parentage sentenced recently months imprisonment appeal outloud turkish descent duly elected ethnic turkish official deprived political rights period years barbaric acts vehicle greek governments cover inferiority complex display people turkiye agreement exchange minorities term turks demonstrates meant previous reference muslims fact greek governments mention existence thousand turkish muslims change essential reality lives western thrace bigger turkish minority pomaks muslim people nations bulgarians turks greeks part muslim turkish minority organized agreements poor poly proves turkish people trapped greece greek people free settle world greek authorities deny existence turkish minority pursue denial connection macedonians greece talk oppression addition democratic greek parliament passed virtually taking administration vakiflar charitable trusts ceased supporting religious cultural entities talk fascism greek governments attempting appoint muftus irrespective turkish minority state official orthodox church full authority similar matters greece muslim turkish minority electing religious leaders talk democracy government greece recently destroyed islamic convention komotini destruction reflects attitude muslim turkish cultural heritage violation lausanne convention called greek constitution supposed guarantee protection historical monuments government greece hand building churches remote villages complementary step hellenizing region pondered sidiropoulos president macedonian human rights committee latest victim tactic long greeks silence critics policies forced assimilation macedonian minority forestry official occupation sidiropoulos internal exile island kefalonia hundreds kilometers native florina employer florina city council asked depart hours greek authorities punish involvement copenhagen returned florina choice remains helsinki watch human rights group investigating plight turkish minority greece august findings published report titled destroying ethnic identity turks greece report confirmed gross violations human rights turkish minority greek authorities instance greek government recently destroyed islamic convent komotini destruction reflects attitude muslim turkish cultural heritage violation lausanne convention turkish cemeteries village vafeika pinarlik attacked tombstones broken cemetery karotas razed bulldozers people turkiye human rights lessons greek government discussion human rights violations greece stop greek frontier articles dwell expose greek treatment turks western thrace aegean macedonians reported greek cypriot administration intense desire arms greece made plans supply tanks armored vehicles destroy accordance agreement reached conventional arms reductions europe greek greek cypriot officials reported planned ostentatious measures aimed camouflaging transfer tanks armored vehicles southern cyprus process conflict spirit agreement conventional arms reduction europe acceptable method found kinds violent behaviors ranging physical attacks burning buildings rugs amfia village mosque dragged front building burnt shots fired mosque village aryana wait greek atrocities vilayet smyrna july inedited documents evidence english french officers published permanent bureau turkish congress lausanne lausanne imprimerie petter giesser held caroline pages serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
nazi armenians service germans arab countries reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article perlman colorado eric perlman writes discussed people statement attributable hajj amin husseini grand mufti jerusalem leader palestinian death squads chief henchmen forget nazi armenians nazi armenians service germans arab countries uzun case received media coverage involved nazi armenian agents dropped syria italian planes mission agents mingle armenian population syria acquire relevant information german wehrmacht allied forces area nazi armenians helped german propaganda efforts arab countries designed promote nazi sentiments french british ruled arab populations beirut traditionally strong hold nazi armenians recently center international armenian terrorism russia general butcher architect turkish genocide working closely german secret service entered zone acquired important intelligence soviets experience turkish genocide soviet armenia made invaluable source germans meyer berkian ibid meyer berkian ibid patrick muehlen ibid serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
million muslims perished butchery hands armenians reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article verbit harvard mikhail verbitsky writes jarmo permanent resident killfile care speculate rest judge merits million turks perished butchery hands armenians genocide involved killing innocents forcible deportation russian armenia persecuted banished slaughtered ottoman army engaged world genocide treaty defines genocide acting specific intent destroy substantial part national ethnic racial religious group history shows soviet armenian government intended eradicate muslim population million turks kurds exterminated armenians international diplomats ottoman empire time including ambassador bristol denounced soviet armenian government policy massacre kurds turks tartars blood thirsty leaders soviet armenian government time personally involved extermination muslims turkish genocide museums turkiye honor died turkish massacres perpetrated armenians eyewitness accounts historical documents established doubt massacres muslim people planned premeditated policy extermination turks soviet armenian territories muslims bitlis erzurum erzincan districts wives children mountains killed massacres trabzon tercan yozgat adana organized perpetrated blood thirsty leaders soviet armenian government principal organizers slaughter innocent muslims antranik armen garo hamarosp daro pastirmadjian keri karakin haig pajise liantz silikian source bristol papers general correspondence container bristol bradley letter september absolute hand information armenians caucasus attacked tartar turkish villages utterly defenseless bombarded villages artillery murder inhabitants pillage village burn village sources ottoman state ministry islam ahalinin ducar olduklari mezalim hakkinda vesaike mustenid malumat istanbul french version documents relatifs atrocites commises armeniens population musulmane istanbul latin script turkozu osmanli sovyet belgeleriyle ermeni mezalimi ankara addition basar ermenilerden gorduklerimiz ankara edited author ermeniler hakkinda makaleler derlemeler ankara askeri tarih belgeleri december document numbered askeri tarih belgeleri december document numbered capable fighting beginning excuse forced labor road construction direction sarikamis annihilated russian army withdrew part remaining people destroyed armenian massacres cruelties thrown wells locked houses burned killed bayonets swords places selected butchering spots bellies torn open lungs pulled women hanged hair subjected conceivable abominable small part people spared abominations worse cruelty inquisition resembled living dead suffering temporary insanity dire poverty lived frightful experiences subjected including women children persons discovered exceed thousand hundred erzincan thirty thousand erzurum fields erzincan erzurum untilled people found destitute situation present time people subsisting food obtained impelled starvation russian storages left occupation area serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
justice victims armenian barbarism fascism reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines article theo ludwig writes called istanbul spell turks money destroyed confiscated properties greece yugoslavia bosnia serbia classic called justice demand soviet armenian government admit responsibility turkish kurdish genocide render reparations muslim people return land rightful owners recognition genocide issue delayed imperative artificial obstacles created political manipulations removed talking rent vandalism make fair greece pays back dues turkey pays years rent destruction classical architecture deal democracy action truelove falselove arromdian asala sdpa terrorism revisionism triangle turks behaved christians force convert islam nations brought power opposed today eastern problem turks obeyed word koran permit worship centuries frederick great pronounced famous dictum christian europe shed christian blood people europe enjoyed inflicting inhuman tortures beliefs differed ottoman empire sole country inquisition exist deaths stake unheard accusations witchcraft made barbarian turkey country jews persecuted chased christians find asylum facts demonstrate muslim countries provided spiritually living conditions christian countries turks conquering nation turkify nations rule respected religions traditions stroke luck romania live turkish rule russian austrian rule romanian nation today popescu ciocanel turks rule people administration externally interfering internal structures account autonomy minorities turkey complete advanced european countries human beings hate account religious differences flaw older islam christianity examples adjuration turkey turks oppress account religion enmity basis religion case simple contempt translating action nations europe considered happy mortraye turkey scene religious terror cruelty inquisition contrary served asylum unfortunate victims christian fanaticism history fifteenth century thousands jews expelled spain portugal found good asylum turkey descendants living calmly approximately hundred years forced defend countries cruelty christians orthodoxes able public easter celebrations athens today turkey israelites insulted greek armenian communities local courts immediately protection vast calm country sultan religions nations living peacefully mosque superior church synagogue replace catholic sect free istanbul smyrna compared paris lyon addition fact turkey prohibits open ceremonies sect imprison cross church dead graves long line priests bear processional candles chant catholic hymns priests churches galata beyoglu districts streets form clerical processions eucharist celebrations chanting hymns bearing crosses religious banners detachment soldiers escorts forces turks stand respect group priests ubicini djevat yabancilara gore eski turkler istanbul ibid ibid ibid serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
azeri survivors killed shot back head reply sera uucp serdar argic distribution world lines armenian atrocities moscow azerbaijani forces saturday retook villages seized armenians discovered bodies executed civilians azerbaijani reports azerbaijani fighters found bodies civilians including child elderly women shot point blank survivors killed shot back head ministry statement carried azerbaijani azerinform turan news agencies itar tass news service armenian occupants left tens corpses civilians shot death point blank mutilated serdar argic closed roads mountain passes serve ways escape turks proceeded work extermination ohanus appressian soviet armenia today longer exists single turkish soul sahak melkonian 
israeli terrorism reply freenet message lines reply eggertj organization lincoln group article freenet anas omran writes previous article adam uucp adam shostack article tclock clock writes article amoss huji amos shapira writes freenet anas omran writes give details event neutral observer killed purpose israeli soldier cases remeber names isralis shot killed observer gaza half intifada reminiscent assassination count bernadotte negotiator israeli independence killed israelis successful negotiating cease fire worked territorially nascent israel compared continued eggertj eggert 
israeli terrorism organization department redundancy department lines article andi beyer writes shame austria daily reports inhuman acts commited israeli soldiers long acts israeli soldiers superhuman inhuman israelis change radically quickly reporting attitudes changed blessing received government makes holocaust guilt jews treating races power jews powerless limited liberated american jews forefront civil rights movement jewish government israel rescued jews ranging skin color white russian brown yemenite black ethiopian andi jews treating races power unfortunate ignorance bias unfortunate jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
israeli terrorism organization department redundancy department lines article freenet hamaza salah writes andi beyer writes andi posting deleted hamaza comment beyer andi full fledged support hamaza salah wrong track jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
israel expansion organization department redundancy department lines article andi beyer writes waldo writes jews suffered wwii beloved perished tortured suffered humans suffered emotionally jews suffered physically waiting andi african americans start paying compensation white americans suffered slave owners jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
violations israel arab organization department redundancy department lines article center policy research writes born palestine israel family lack peace utter injustice home country affected life bullshit iceland past years told wanting suffer fate mother lived jews long time somesuch sounded awful concerned palestine israel peace peace justice concerned peace justice palestine jordan israeli trights palestinian rights symmetrical party state occupier occupied israel grants asked israel back borders palestinean arabs aviv call palestineans west jerusalem haifa claim occupied suggest israel expell kill remaining arabs arabs jews symmetrical conflict lack symmetry favor israel elias davidsson iceland jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
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ccounts anti armenian human violations azerbaijan summary part organization center regional studies lines accounts anti armenian human violations azerbaijan part prelude current events nagorno karabakh part remembered raping repeated frequently armenian women babies muslim babies bear azerbaijanis struggle armenians muslims carry holy heroes repeated deposition lyudmila grigorevna born teacher sumgait secondary school secretary komsomol organization school member sumgait city komsomol committee office resident building apartment microdistrict sumgait azerbaijan note events kafan pretext attack armenians azerbaijan false verified independent international human rights organizations thinking price sumgait armenians paid living armenia paid human casualties crippled fates price great sumgait tragedy victims divide lives talk people world considered epoch fate matter years matter long live forgotten contrary moments sharper rage sorrow differently distance inhuman events clarity acutely perceive losses happened nineteen eighty leap year fears leap year pass quickly thought leap year black sumgait armenian lost didn winter ordinary family smell danger danger steps save parents save children parents years thought lived save apartment tragedy started february afternoon call tragedy repeat tragedy family survived recall broke door skin crawls armenians people feel starting remember broke apartment parents standing hall father hands immediately locked doors door rarely locked friends neighbors dropped hospitable family thought people coming azerbaijanis jews russians friends nationalities turkmen woman parents hall father remember telling mother kitchen knife mother detached pale decided sell life dearer honest expected afraid shot afraid dark girlfriend house russian lyuda mamma matter matter bedroom apartment bedroom marina russian crawled covered boxes dishes karina standing idea time flashed inside emotional person express emotions immediately wanted embrace kiss karina thinking thing reserved time immediately heard mamma raise shout noise tramping feet shouting excited voices figure door bedroom open crack mamma shouted time karina bedroom wanted hold back opened door hall immediately thing managed close door save marina friend shouting eyes shining insomnia people burst standing back door hall kitchen dragged father room utter word raised mamma snatched touch children harm children father armenian azerbaijanis armenia broke understood armenian perfectly local azerbaijanis armenian speak responded armenian children thing children armenians kafan killed women mothers breasts burned houses thing time destroying house shouting young people older people faces unfamiliar sumgait small town people faces teacher dragged father room twisted arms dragged unable walk closed door room crack happening father young years started tear mamma sarafan mamma shouted azerbaijani mother struck held mamma identified hope convicted karina talking komsomol leader lead path influence consciousness told wrong straighten emotions explain home back coming coming talking kill kill pushed karina struck fell beat tore clothes repeating mamma group prepared noticed broke furniture dealt remember beating tearing clothes felt pain shame entire attention riveted karina watch beat painful felt pain carried karina beat savagely amazing lived lose mind beautiful destroy beauty beat face fists kicking find mamma karina room feel pain feel matter beat matter creeps room apartment broke beds desk moved corners room suggested beasts heaven afraid authorities true colors time thought fact behave afraid happen carried karina beat mamma face completely covered blood started feel pain blacked times pain moment eyes open recording film kind person nature vengeful deserve hold grudge long time intentionally pain time animals remember remember rest life people forget forget living point remember stood told fact hurt beaten terribly found strength interfere tortures realized resist kill bring suffering pushed real horse remember held waiting seized balcony long hair stuck veranda shutters balcony open realized planned throw window picked hands time deep breath closed eyes braced inside suddenly cold heart sunk feet suddenly felt flying figure flying imagined thought smash ground happen opened eyes realized lying floor scream wild wolves started trample feet shoes heels iron horseshoes cially lost consciousness couple times waited death summoned beseeched people good health life happiness moment things survive forgotten marina alive worth living moment pain great withstood inhuman pain realized torment long time showed tenacious started strangle started wheeze realized death pleasures pulled hands throat person injured insulted painfully remember oldest group looked children considers ideal father person thing investigation called daughter apologized knew forgive forgive injured behavior words deeds person shoes matter hours trampled forget wanted lose protect father hoard beasts able knew longer alive melkumian acquaintance knew family couple times brother save couldn kill sister threw kill suffering stripped clothes carried room brother knew awaited edik igor room thrown people carrying killed made death excruciating excruciating deaths days sumgait heard neighbor melkumians landing makhaddin family settled apartment baku feeling needed good person praise survived eyes people lived life lost mind likes door apartment open brothers threw father mother apartment igor edik remained naked carried room hands people told forget heard brothers shouting inarticulate pain rage fact powerless lived unsuccessful killing taking marina lyuda bedroom state remember sister wanted marina looked knew familiar dear face life remember saved taking turns told visiting lyuda chance armenians lyuda russian marina speaks azerbaijani wonderfully told azerbaijani gave doomed glad marina good physical health spirit murdered point igor igor agayev acquaintance lives neighboring building reason remembered sensed defense called russian igor turned bedroom taking marina lyuda bedroom igor knew marina lyuda marina fact azerbaijani neighbors idea stole igor apartment friend supposed save striking hard indian vase metal hitting back blacked balcony time throw window dead react blows dead throw carried balcony time time heard azerbaijani kill teacher hear voice ringing ears remember voice igor speaks azerbaijani accent mother russian speak russian home speaks azerbaijani worse marina remember carried threw person opened eyes recognized person immediately passed cold beaten strength remember remember person older high position remember igor treat badly heard good person drank boasted served afghanistan knew women bravery afghanistan wounded eighty percent treated sympathetically respect found served injured afghanistan found people apartment karina secretary party organization najaf armenian born azerbaijani karina longer hundred percent endanger beat confusing time thing time investigators summoned khimik boarding house living time brought groceries flowers march started crying upset condition putting told investigator summoned procuracy baku sumgait fact changed testimony leads karina fact apartment investigators treating point wondered asked told alibi apartment baku arranged alibi ruling possibility return apartment mamma bought gold father gave married wedding band watch gold bought husband lives gave gold year vadim vorobyev russian speaks azerbaijani perfectly orphan raised grandfather lives sumgait nizami street special school mentally handicapped children teacher matter minutes form opinion mentally handicapped healthy fine analyze policemen lucky cunning home tore pictures photo album beat mamma demanded gold lady give gold money apartment live mamma told gold brought opened shook contents apartment jumped started knocking taking gold surprised kill mamma control beaten face black blue blows eyes filled blood room father lying tied mouth pillow face broken table mamma grabbed father walk half dead halfway world comprehend covered black blue mamma pulled mouth sort cloth slipcover armchair bandits apartment room mamma pulled father carried armchairs room small magazine table couch television screen people standing screen shirts pants imaginable shoving shot glasses cups coffee service mamma corner afraid turn seized father started pulling threshold hold fell picked dragged stairs neighbors mamma remembered criminals watched face half turned realized death person looked eyes recoiled fear stealing caught scoundrel mamma grabbed father left igor marina mamma father karina left moment understand knew mother father room marina lyuda save managed hold fighting remember scratched left realized kind people observed beat karina kind people beat unnecessary point heart young building greet knew microdistrict neighbor great danger realized lived remember grabbed father automatically fell knees raised hands blow time struck head misery started ready wind back blow room newcomer impact neighbor froze stood attention soldiers presence general waited word continue atrocities entryway entryway killed uncle shurik aleksandr gambarian confirms prepared advance left picking pillows blankets needed found worn slippers boot people remained room soldiers obey general recently faces flashed front hours kuliyev identified native sisian district armenia azerbaijani moved azerbaijan year told armenian sister afraid drive azerbaijanis azerbaijanis azerbaijani nationality hatred drive clothes find hammer nails nail door shut coming back apartment found apartment person eskimo dogskin coat listened general entryway kuliyev helped clothes marina coat lying floor threw shoulders racked shivers asked find nails hammer wanted give left nail door shut door lying floor hall balcony broken windows flowers dirt flowerpots scattered floor impossible find told fine leave neighbors back calm alive told armenian returned waiting leave chase urged gently coarsely boys drafted room floor leave fight back upstairs wanted realized hold forever asked hide told neighbors fourth floor apartment good terms knocked door explained azerbaijani neighbor woman opened door immediately azerbaijani place open door stay place fine cried gave stockings numb racked nervous shudders burst tears wearing marina coat short half length cold asked family happened afraid apartment wild azerbaijani armenian kuliyev left minutes neighbor lyuda lose life wife stay butchery apartment scum sadist earring mouth pearl earrings ripped tearing earlobe earring nervous hair constantly touched noticed earring gave earring apartment heard upstairs assumed tremendous difficulty apartment wanted home apartment hear coming place floor bedroom marina lyuda hidden overturned hiding squatted broken christmas ornaments found unbroken started sobbing things pushed floor broken ornaments head legs moving heart beating hard town hear lights saved burning matches brought candle started picking clothes worn father sport jacket bedspread head pulled felt pulling hair cried realized alive started strangle throat hand pressed mouth wheeze find afterward throwing burned matches burned withstood inside held hand protecting knew knew survived walk apartment found family died close death imagine living mother father sister marina thought alive lyuda place hiding igor killed served afghanistan protect strangling good byes thought marina survive killed live people room talked smoked talked daughter children footwear apartment daughter apartment recently good fixing live started argue children rooms years living awful places fire leave azerbaijanis live door fire move place good fortune fire apartment left remembered raping repeated frequently armenian women babies muslim babies bear azerbaijanis struggle armenians muslims carry holy heroes repeated reference sumgait tragedy pogroms armenians soviet azerbaijan volume eyewitness accounts edited samuel shahmuradian forward yelena bonner published aristide caratzas pages david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
ccounts anti armenian human violations azerbaijan summary part organization center regional studies lines accounts anti armenian human violations azerbaijan part prelude current events nagorno karabakh part remembered raping repeated frequently armenian women babies muslim babies bear azerbaijanis struggle armenians muslims carry holy heroes repeated continued part left left attack realized past stopped controlling relaxed moment physical pain immediately made felt heart kidneys hurt awful kidney attack rolled back christmas ornaments howling howling long figured time turned howled pain hour strength burst tears started feeling room hear calling respond restrain hallucinating silent continues voice calling woman found mamma neighbor apartment hiding uncle sabir kasumov place telling killed lyuda bring corpse violate corpse returned empty handed mamma thought carry corpse apartment time wife walking rooms answer calls light smashed chandeliers lamps started pogrom apartment clock kasumovs stairs walked apartment long wait death long cowardly afraid walked started knocking doors floor fourth opened door floor landing stairway uncle sabir started shout aunt roza lyuda alive knocked door aunt tanya igor mamma aunt tanya uncle sabir wife urdmurt apartment karina home lying delirious fever marina father mother family gathered door lost consciousness igor aunt tanya carried apartment found karina mamma lyuda karina condition dying recognizes face awful face paralyzed pushed side swollen flowed lips cheeks dragged side microdistrict disfigured face fine mamma afraid room hugged karina started legs gave fell hugged legs started kissing crying opened intact looked barely talk face badly beaten muttered tender incomprehensible tender karochka karina golden understood igor brought water drank moistened karina lips started groan understand made hurts hurt hair glued blood stroked forehead head grit forehead lips groaning calls hand closer understand igor brings pencil paper write shakes head write understand wanted couldn karina feel late completely broke control moistened hand water wiped forehead dipped handkerchief water squeezed water lips lyuda saved damned house kill find call urshan repeated hour understood word number urshan feyruzovich head administration works call home number karina number remember number call leave room igor stayed watch crying mamma karina call urshan call telephone number marina call find started calling people answer called girlfriend girlfriend called girlfriend found number called back boss wife answered dacha voice cracking talk lyuda panic hold hooligans easy understand happening killing people single armenian left building surprised managed save thinking emotions churned fearing life fact fine fine afraid urshan back send called started robbing apartment directly aunt tanya floor asya dallakian apartment home staying daughter karabagh destroyed realized back aunt tanya urshan wife named tanya finally home leaving place happening brought daughters jeep daughters outing shape town frightened grown daughters carried karina tossed coat warm scarf karina maternity home precinct stretchers ready karina stretchers condition move fractures stretcher soldiers sitting lying floor bandaged concrete floor groaning eleven clock night left house soldiers realized soldiers enemies carried office stretcher emergency medical people baku medical attendant older armenian urshan told karina proud told aging armenian uncle arkady arkady injection ready started fill syringe turned give karina shot looked face sixties hair grey moustache hugged karina started speaking armenian karina mamma started calm give shot mamma tells shot government children killing people sitting teacups standing table sitting drinking daughters turned gave drink heart medicine gave karina injection doctor maternity home immediately papa urshan papa shape helped carry karina stretcher medics orderlies matter tone official wrapped tighter half length coat blanket orange aunt tanya fine uncle arkady soothing told doctor leave woman examine woman azerbaijani wrong wearing sister lyuda nightshirt sister time yerevan nursing infant hole easier breast feed baby tore night shirt showed shoulders turned back huge wound size hand back indian vase gave shots dressed hospital stretcher started people carry raised head wanted woman doctor nurse move lying back policemen leading profile familiar shouted stop policemen turned bring brought person apartment raped sister recognize note fine write taking stretcher injured beaten soldiers sitting ambulance driver bring closer soldiers started talking sister remember conversation asked lived asked apparently brought police learned suffered armenians russian kill remembered balcony kuliyev hammer nails looked window azerbaijanis beating soldier kindergarten pressed fence covered head arms beating club cried mamma made skin crawl alive attack house sheets clothes dishes flying fourth floor neighboring building azerbaijanis attacking armenians thought fire throwing fighting burning passenger yard neighbors armenians realized anti armenian karina sumgait maternity home mamma beaten father guilty voice fault beaten ribs hurt creeps broken ribs doctor urshan fine place doctor find bring drove apartment marina stayed examined struck doctor azerbaijanis apartment surprised beat wanted beat surprised soviet medical facility woman hippocratic oath talk victims happy unhappy coincidence doctor delivered karina examined karina problem pretty good kafan armenians killing raping women karina terrible condition examined story separate ward shots medicinal powders drugs absolutely give women found ward armenians raped started coming peering keyhole people animals karina lying ward raped true bodily injuries told happened place felt worse raped daughter room happened holding daughter hand hiding beating taking earrings gold involuntarily daughter hand daughter hand daughter fourth grade years felt awful heard asked harm daughter leave daughter wanted threatened kill daughter surprised criminals behaved night simply bartholomew night love steal kill rape surprised animals harm children beasts explained repeated years children grown pleasure lives children young women years thinking tomorrow trial investigation trial investigation years heard investigators victims testified natures bloodthirsty years years surprised harm marina people drunk smoked eyes slept night reason smoking drunk positive smoked stop urge spoke cultured fashion marina sister afraid harm frightened muslim muslim woman things sober story alive lived happened bears mark hours father eyes feels guilty happened karina mother nerves started talk heard argue times thought listening listen protect find words happy glad happen thing spared happened chance imagine detail happened conversations karina spoke private talked mamma father present conversations spare investigator house speak father present february clay karina discharged hospital released martial declared city soldiers police precinct armored personnel carrier people armenian victims tovmasian family learned rafik uncle grant died died talking raya rafik wife grant daughter mother crying office floor yard room house recreation reading area women afraid thought shooing police precinct dangerous people working precinct wanted hide women shouting explained hide attack police precinct house chairs tables children hungry infants needed diapers changed awful hours window room house azerbaijanis standing fences police precinct spying police precinct surrounded wall fence electrified standing wall means electricity shut brought great psychological pressure bear walked apartments slept hours suffered physically spiritually lost family members ordeal frightened precinct employees suddenly disappeared single person courtyard windows thought hiding building secret room people panicking started throwing sinking ship heard people young people whistling whopping walls felt approaching completely terrified left karina hospital parents sort calm parents thinking karina heaven forbid attack hospital immediately armenian terrible happen karina able soldiers dogs appeared dogs people climbed fence brought soldiers machine guns readiness fingers triggers calmed brought chairs brought children cots showed wash hands children toilet hungry honest occurred eaten days people closer nightfall brought group detained criminals watched soldiers guard dogs back courtyard told raya tovmasian woman substituted earlier crying wailing calling rafik heard rage jumped coat started roll sleeves ready beat suddenly soldiers dogs lots people bandits standing hands heads facing wall grabbed collar started shake thrash rooted spot soldiers moved made stop bandits fell covered heads hands muttering back akin smile appeared face quiet tears cries round back beat walking cursing terribly killed husband bastards creeps back night night slept times beat returned told women sitting killed husbands children raped sitting sitting talking happened armenians appealed numb strength beat barely hold standing hours released eleven clock morning night chairs elderly women children feet time breathe door closed smoking situation deplorable eleven clock night policemen local policemen azerbaijanis brought mattresses wash children women leave place place home safe soldiers dogs soldiers family things soldiers felt love time lives perceived defenders spoke heart cried hugged loaded machine guns hands grandmother approach guard people hugged woman kissed machine guns terribly moving small children wanting dogs floor undress sleep afraid precinct guard quiet city killing block places told armenians gathered club city party committee asked stop maternity home wanted karina happening told worry maternity home full soldiers mothers rest assured rest assured staff capable arrived city party committee turned karina brought release hospi deciding felt fine longer care city party committee gave free reign tears acquaintances divided groups injured clothed brought food raya wearing people made dolled wedding people shoes naked people hungry people crying lost stories talk flying heard killed killed stayed work happening plant talk aleksandr mikhailovich gukasian teacher respect highly long time small room study room spent night talking study march heard bagirov secretary communist party azerbaijan arrived bagirov news brought viewed arrived talk things tremendous rage protected soldiers floor deign speak people apparently important things hours passed gukasian called lyudochka find make lists asked upstairs lists dead whereabouts unknown lists people pogroms apartments cars burned people list called lyuda mamma arrived alive gave lists asked continue list imprecise included grant adamian raya tovmasian father alive time thought dead engels grigorian father aunt cherkez maria list included girlfriend neighbor zhanna agabekian told chopped head courtyard front kosmos movie theater list cried turned rumor fact hour earlier left sumgait marina sail krasnovodsk alive addition died list contained people rumored missing badly wounded dead lists bagirov remember dead contained list fact gukasian couple minutes cursing terribly irate asked lyuda imagine animals scoundrels lost list dead piotr demichev member politburo central committee communist party ussr arrived supposed submit list scope slaughter tragedy fifty told list disappeared left khimik boarding house people list number press television radio list demichev remember people list told aleksandr mikhailovich half list lyuda remember remember dead government procuracy count people died fright sick people people lives threatened shock registered victims sumgait tragedy people people left sumgait march left smaller towns russia northern caucasus stavropol krasnodarsk territory information people parts moscow periodical krestyanka woman farmer call people milk cows mechanics drivers group people list people died entering city burned cars azerbaijanis great people raped included list drawn procuracy instances thinking women parents chose publicize happened matter court simply left cease victims cousin classmate kocharian lived microdistrict floor building number neighbor relatives lived microdistrict gift shop lives landing sumgait procurator beat father holding door daughter hold door forever climbed balcony neighbors seized braid azerbaijanis cultured kill raped left remember anymore transferred march karina lived days cultural facility khimik lived lived city party committee stay karina difficult peace survived walk honest words held social work managed persevere aleksandr mikhailovich work insane gear infant needed diapers free food days bought received free supposed dispensed free charge sold found free krayev time fortunately drop neighbor visible faces krayev captain resolved issue march investigators andrei shirokov vladimir fedorovich bibishev worked family considered karina victims wound hospital mother father considered witnesses victims shirokov involved karina case bibishev mine told planned identikit record remember fresh mind work identikit conditions investigative group worked slowly poor quality work solely situation conducive working automobiles time curfew typewriters typing transcripts video cameras purpose poor supply investigators stuff draw investigation local authorities armenians leaving speed light return sumgait armenians agreement bibishev told worry takes month months afraid looked death eyes times days conduct investigation worked great deal shelter karina gave time week back difficulty breathing looked doctor rays drink days nauseous drank virtually days baku investigator told long fine love taking care gave word investigation started eating fact exhausted faces ment mind investigative solitary confinement cells prisons prison city baku solitary confinement cells sumgait time turned drunk tank solitary confinement identified people apartment mamma identified karina total marina identify remembers faces photographs detained told neighbor recognized detained loose clear found building lived sisters faces city investigators informed investigation closed trial continue people identified largely blue collar workers plants education lowest level respect ages range years student attending azerbaijan petroleum chemical institute sumgait mother bribe investiga thinking employee victim front restaurant worth rubles give cash simply keeping armenia landing prison armenian soil terribly afraid investigator talking criminal criminal confess identified order apply psychological pressure fine confess silent armenian prison find care short order give start talk investigators apartment videotaped entire pogrom apartment investigative experiment left apartment knowing apartment guess stole money valuables single book tore burned poured water hacked axes materials congress communist party soviet union james fenimore cooper mohigans lunch ready boiling chicken lemons table apartment chicken lemons kind people apartment people books single book worn clothing food cheapest cheap worn slippers identified kafan azerbaijanis living sumgait basically group seeking revenge word joined people seeking easy gain thrill seekers talked gray eyes back drop black remembered specifically eyes taking part pogrom apartment involved murder tamara mekhtiyeva building older armenian recently arrived georgia lived sumgait married azerbaijani laid eyes woman murdered apartment murdering hacked pieces threw water remember fair skinned people apartment darker dark hair skin contrast addition grey eyed remember fellow lezgin identified turned eduard robertovich grigorian born city sumgait convicted remember rita tattooed left hand thinking rita puma read word latin characters cyrillic cyrillic latin hands back confrontation swore holy book armenian word spark compassion told making mistake called dear sister wrong armenian raise hand armenian spoke convincingly investigator asked lyuda told identifying mark wrong apologize mistaken rita tattooed left hand rigid pale told hands table hands table palms turn hands turn hands infuriated start acknowledged guilt wanted forced treated differently insolently stuck story turned hands rita fact tattooed hand face distorted whispered wicked immediately flew rage ashtray table heavy made granite large ashes butts catching surprise hurled ashtray ducked ashtray wall ashes butts rained head back smiled smiled provoked jumped table started pounding strangling longer remember jumped caught microphone cord investigator tolya longer recall lyudochka japanese microphone shut equipment spot video taped stayed talked calm needed working remember tolya telling actress performance tolya honestly lyuda emotion speak calmly happened strength emotion emotions longer strength strength lyuda able returned normal drinking watching tape jumped table jumped high class gang apartment international identified armenian russian vadim vorobyev beat mamma azerbaijanis meeting grigorian completely confessed guilt told february azerbaijanis knocking call knew prison tomorrow armenians meet station clock coming told kill alright visit classmate microdistrict kamo pogosian prison stolen motorcycle dismantled parts needed called apartment told thing tomorrow armenians pulled knife courtyard stabbed times stomach hospital hospital baku republic hospital idea return grigorian apartment remember beat rest spoke azerbaijani extremely fair skinned proved part beating burning shagen sargisian participated rapes apartment remember people apartment armenian confessed recall blacked participate rape karina apartment time carried courtyard remained apartment point talking acquaintance edik grigorian learned wife dressmaker mother russian father convicted hope sentence beat wife eternally coming work bruises wife armenian rita detained beasts call beasts beasts robots carrying investigation understand head prepared allah koran propagating islam holy commanded minds talking level cultural sophistication higher values education work slew children means raise properly crowd temporary housing apparently promised slaughtered armenians receive apartments explained participation promised apartments genuinely repented repented heart despised incident worked children home azerbaijani children wife works children home acquired earned labor inherited parents grandparents ended hand guiding strength masculine dignity time repeating imagine young wife eyes wailed leader eskimo dogskin coat detained performed marvelous disappearing work vadim grandfather touch young person taught cover tracks constantly exchanging jackets boys knew didn things changed chameleon detained eskimo dogskin coat gambarians aleksandr gambarian murdered spilled blood karina reason finish hoping home heard aunt tanya sons kasumovs courtyard entryway decided home karina point remember neighbors started crawling entryway alive back entryway gambarians back started beating finish sustained lesser bodily injuries beat older woman building aunt nazan azerbaijani karina crying pleading leave flung woman grown sons nearby picked hands home howled cried loudly swore earth sees forgive woman aunt fatima sick aging woman floor retired mountain dwellers azerbaijanis custom fighting throw scarf feet stop trampled scarf home trample scarf tantamount trampling woman honor investigation back events called sumgait tragedy happen start avoided clear signal permission leadership happened afraid azerbaijanis worthy people offense representatives nations offense azerbaijanis majority people line fear fear retribution unleashed dogs afraid time threw thing able snatch smell danger february happen figured steps avoid running gangs left dachas plane tickets country legs carry february saturday teaching class director classroom children call city party committee teachers gather meeting lenin square excused children teachers left school altogether women director rest home lenin square great people thirty evening kinds rubbish podium crowd supporting stormily roaring spoke microphone happened kafan days earlier driver district recently thrown small azerbaijani child speaker affirmed eyewitness crowd started rage death armenians killed woman stage woman people clinging podium flies hear woman introduced coming kafan armenians daughters breasts called sons avenge daughters portion people square running direction factories beginning lenin street stood hour director school spoke gave nationalist speech brother muslims kill armenians repeated sentence crowd supported stormily whistling shouting karabagh karabagh territory life long karabagh soul tear heart azerbaijani karabagh territory armenians armenians eliminated time immemorial muslims cleansed land infidel armenians time immemorial nature created years azerbaijanis cleanse land filth filth meant armenians heard listening speeches closely people spoke stood back podium talking shop teachers penetrate fact taking place teachers listen listen idiocy spouting listened speech director listened woman speech group mood changed subject conversation school matters forgotten director studies great respect azerbaijani considered upstanding worthy person obtain leave asked good person tells lyuda armenians square find armenian tear pieces armenian armenian time pretended hear asked time turned director khudurova expected home leaving answered women stay clock twelve stay young teacher children kindergarten husband worked shifts asked leave left children kindergarten director excused turned good left young teacher azerbaijani walking buses running crowd rally nearby apparently fired wanted seek vengeance immediately rushed afraid time teacher armenian make short reached home karina told movies happened started telling experience parents understand danger watched television usual imagine tomorrow city party committee acquaintance school zhanna remember lives housewares store narimanov street father reason mother home father held door jumped floor lucky ground building balcony standing entryway building lucky murders jumped jumped feel pain heat moment days found stand injured people sumgait saved lives honor children armenians fought back father cousin armen lives block found phone victims town armenians building called immediately armed axes knives muskets roof infants women months beds upstairs hooked electricity trap door roof waited ready fight daughter school board director hostage azerbaijani lived building called school board director told armenians roof escape alive unharmed daughter armenians hand woman thing saved time called police armenians made deal local police town armored personnel carriers soldiers summoned surrounded entryway roof side armored personnel carriers crowd building moment block defended heard neighbors roman sasha gambarian resisted strong father killed heard brothers strong defense lost father able save mother neighbors told happened criminals march detaining suspected people people entryway people injured dead neighbors afraid soldiers basement supposed found azerbaijani corpses wounded days died loss blood infection basement filled water heard neighbors talking investigators subject confirmed hours basement store objects stolen apartment neighbor carried carpet rest stole posing criminals taking share neighbor carried home back calmed returned thing managed save raya husband father defended trdatovs defended armenian families azerbaijani victims hear reason government armenians victims defended honor sisters mothers show pozitsiya viewpoint military officer armenians virtually defend important truth price paid days days courage bravery humanity tested days years dozens years lived showed grew days showed conclude narrative sumgait tragedy trials ahead punishments received violated wanted make nonhumans depend position work investigators procuracy literally person lent hand investiga tion price paid live armenia fear street night afraid armenians fear speaking native tongue october yerevan reference sumgait tragedy pogroms armenians soviet azerbaijan volume eyewitness accounts edited samuel shahmuradian forward yelena bonner published aristide caratzas pages david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
final solution gaza uucp lines dear folks awaiting answer comment fact inhabitants gaza entitled normal civlized life habe occupation israel civil political rights fact gazans live country palestine gaza foriegn country telaviv jaffa askalon beersheba foreign country gazans places occupied palestinians concerned common sense fact zionists deny gazans equal rights israeli citizens determine themsevles government zionists begin gazans human beings deserve rights hope peace mentioned gaza foreign country israel entitled close borders gaza case gaza entitled reciprocate deny israeli civilians military personnel enter area relation symmetrical master slave label foreign country inaccurate misleading close people strip deny means subsistence means defending collective punishment crime justifiable legal reflects abyss israeli society degraded heap foul langauge explain israel denies gazans born brought jaffa return live allowed converted judaism live town depdendent religion ethnic origin give honest answer elias 
desertification negev uucp lines danhy bedouin surprised posted article happy feedback bedouin readers judge accuracy article assumes fabrication critical review helpful elias 
hate filled newsgroup organization bullwinkle club lines group real honestly expect concerns remotely behave forum discussion occur write letters majority group mind bogglingly hypocritical 
israel expansion lines nntp posting host mcgill organization mcgill university article tudelft cohen stuart writes article paul pimentel isreal jeruseleum home muslim jewish religion heck mentions yitza shamir forty fifty years terrorize westerners abdul nidal today isrealis arabs theref jerusaleum isreal difference israel arabs christians respect israel freedom religion information islam permits freedom religion compulsion religion judaism permit freedom religion jews recognized judaism wondering steve 
frontline iran bomb organization wilfrid laurier university lines article ebrahim umanitoba mohamad ebrahimi writes share netters points picked frontline program iran nuclear activities aired tuesday april sake brevity present separate points week snoozeworld western programs program laid misinformation program maximize effect program viewer misinformations yeah thought bonanza full lies west number martyrs sacred defense iraqi aggression officially announced radical counter revolutionary groups claim iran iraq total million dead program claims iran million dead left translation iranian officials talks true iranian head atomic energy hurts iran subject unfriendly propaganda translator hurts iran unfriendly research alleged devices material bought planned bought iranians countless dual usage program undermine military reference iran population inevitable sources energy future current deficit electrical power hell rich hydroelectric potential exploited spend billions nuclear energy programme program show sharif university technology nuclear research center cameramen program country iran tightly closed society make nuclear bomb university taking account scientific advancement sharif engineering fields potential role improvement iran industries eventually lives people obvious persuading countries prevent helping university scientific industrial efforts point program justifications disvalidate efforts iaea numerous visits iran sites places visited iaea real rely iaea reports observation failed iraq nuclear activities iraq build nuclear weapons yeah reason world trust iranian regime forward past extremely personal opinion disgusting aspect program arrogance member senate foreign affairs william triplet talking talking absolute knowledge hope iranians aware gradual buildup country western media hope iranian authorities continue wise calculated approach regard international affairs peaceful coexistence friendly nations hahahahahahaahah mohammad international atomic energy agency 
frontline documentary memory camps organization simon fraser university burnaby canada lines yesterday watched outstanding documentary prepared frontline documentary consortia called memory camps shows censored pictures immediately liberation bergen belsen death camps recommend check station broadcast documentary seatle vancouver area ksts broadcast documentary monday order copy video cost danny 
deir yassin organization department redundancy department lines article brendan mckay writes article stanford filler writes learn historical methodology true learn people useless farts agree definitions useless fart text disputes findings flawed biased words trumpet things dismiss embarass play games long time thing useless farts talking jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
final solution gaza organization department redundancy department lines article center policy research writes gaza strip tiny area land highest population density world world weeks fact israeli occupier decided punish population gaza people denying leave strip seek work israel free leave seek work egypt egyptians blame gazans establish state gaza palestine polish jews risked lives save jews ghetto israeli risked life gazan resistance gazans israeli jews dozens people humanitarian assistance risk life gazan arabs hacked death palestinean murderers week risk primarily arabs true telephone repairmen traders seek agricultural products gazans israeli soldiers involved fighting feuding palestinean groups determined destroy destroy outsiders gazan population resist occupation recognized international person sense justice population denied basic human rights entitled rise tormentors wanna happen israeli regime gazans unworthy israeli citizenship equal rights israel considered worthy dirty work israeli hotels shops fields gazans born towns villages located israel live areas reserved master race read posting elias davidsson iceland jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
symbiotics zionism antisemitism organization department redundancy department lines article center policy research writes point note appropriation history holocaust zionist propaganda zionism anti semitism impossible zionism agrees basic tenet anti semitism jews live jews zionists decided zion gentile rein didn early zionists granted citizenship jewish state christian muslim people elias point note wrong rest posting worth jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
gaza separation israel organization department redundancy department lines article center policy research writes israeli left inability cope challenges presented reality obvious moments reality line expectations left able gulf palestinian popular solidarity iraq yossi sarid minister environment made infamous statement making efforts speak yossi sarid point view palestinian reality gulf lengthy curfew danger hunger brought palestinians accepted acceptable party similarly meretz deddi tzuker recently faced criticism residents west bank town beit sahour government party lack action human rights peace responded present discussion likud government leftists perspective government government members israeli left decided future occupied territories dictate palestinians starts criticizing leftists leftist pretty clear idea normal hope calling fair unbiased elias jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
confessions lines nntp posting host mcgill organization mcgill university article ahmeda mcgill ahmed abed writes article eshneken uiuc edward shnekendorf writes freenet hamaza salah writes previous article friedenb gedaliah friedenberg interested inform binyamin netanyahu leader israeli likud party interviewed tonight larry king live didn crying zionist confessing committed adultary cheating wife typical leader typical muslim arab leader hides fact commited adultery choosing camel husband small male child whichever readily availible freenet irony jewish population problem electing leader confessed extra marrital affair expect israel portray great democracy requirement leader previously extra marital affair bill clinton helps wife steve 
spying case organization state university york albany lines yigal friends years business publicity generate speaker fees mark 
israel expansion nntp posting host dhostwo convex organization engineering convex computer corp richardson disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines astein alan stein writes golan heights security problem israel part give part remember golan heights part area britain palestine mandate slated part jewish state britain traded france considerations words historical accident part syria palestine mandate borders borders negotiated drawn golan list territories britian palestine mandate mandates existance defined boundaries territories region source claims present 
israel expansion lines reply hallam desy organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron experiment zeus hera article adam uucp adam shostack writes article writes israel occupation southern lebanon temporary israel repeatedly stated leave lebanon lebanese government provide guarantees israel attacked lebanese soil syrians leave acceptable syria lebanon determine return situation prior french invasion part mandate territory read colony israel determine lebanon invading country threat precisely wars aggression started israel occupation west bank gaza golan temporary issues israel stated repeatedly give golan give part syria part peace agreement territorial expansion force israel annexed areas areas occupied disputed legitamate governing body citizenship residents annexed areas wanted citizenship defines occupied recognised nation earth excluding small caribean island israel control parts west bank imho parts westernmost mountain ridge arab towns suburbs overlooking city aviv eastern mountain ridge abandonded arabs live militarily relevant israel maintain presence jordan valley adam thinks peace continued occupation continued military presence completely unsustainable situation bankrupt simply afford finance israeli ecconomy money occupation support settlers moved territories temporary hear number reasons people move moved chose move disputed areas note moves made free willed human beings settlers address aspects question government encourage move move moved part deliberate policy prevent return occupied territories machiavelli reasoning prince clear intention create constituency likud beleived deprived land stolen indigenous population pretexts settlers aquired land redefinition land common public land assertion village common village depends food belongs invader simply individual title excuse land build condominium aliens brought occupy land foreign power clear breach geneva convention stipulates land occupied territories changed amount justifying part likud hard linner appologists change fact majority world governments power condemned practice government number reasons encouraging people move green line included security politics reason security large jewish presense makes difficult terrorists infiltrate jewish settlements fortresses times theyu liability talking civilian encampments hours tanks reason political creating settlements brought arabs negotiation table creation towns cities years place left israel arab majority land left called arab fool gulf brought israelis negotiating table backers secure base gulf insrtructed shamir negotiate creation settlements longer money supply fact hundered thousands jews place face peace settlement restricts land chose live arab state return israel communites created religious built neighborhoods areas jews riots communities hebron gaza communities built religious sites existence comunity give country annexe territory bosnia west bank point reasons people moved green line reasons government wanted status negotiated disputed territories deal boundaries drawn negotiation results boundaries drawn peace araffat precious authority agree real issue land treaty trade treaty palestinians remain heavily dependent israel indefinitely guarantor peace factor return lands confiscated israeli state israel dismantling shadow structures discrimination jews nominaly secular state irony return guarantee palestinian state descrimination order protect remaining settlers israeli state forced inot position outlawing discrimination prevents arabs buying land phill hallam baker 
center policy research organization case western reserve university cleveland ohio lines nntp posting host thor cwru read numerous posts period months anti israel fanatic hiding shadow respectable sounding center policy research research center kind researching published documents find material israel makes labeling propaganda mill research center surprising simply part propaganda process curious knew anti israel fanatic hiding phoney research center arab typical anti semite hiding veneer anti zionism lived israel make taking failure israel shed light clown nonsense proper perspective readers group interested fact anti israel hyperbola ignore junk 
news missed organization mcsnet contributor chicago lines distribution world nntp posting host localhost news missed busy israelists media spiked intrepid israeli soldiers israeli soldiers sexually taunted arab women occupied gaza strip week long closure sealed palestinians jewish state palestinian sources sunday incidents occurred town khan younis involved soldiers golani brigade centre house house raids palestinian activists closure imposed strip occupied west bank days khansaa secondary group naked soldiers taunted yelling kiss fled soldiers threw empty bottles saturday group soldiers opened shirts pulled pants khansaa walking home school parents keeping daughters home school soldiers harassed passing schoolgirls youth escaped boys secondary school deputy principal srur jamea shouted abusive language backed wall arms teacher hamdan hajras intervened soldiers kicked beat butts rifles tuesday troops stopped driven abdel azzim qdieh practising moslem demanded kiss female passenger qdieh refused soldiers year passenger kissed stop beating friday soldiers entered home zamno ealyan blindfolded wife music tape recorder demanded dance elderly couple danced soldiers slipped coupled continued dancing grandson asked happening army checking reports israeli troops christians jerusalem israeli troops prevented christian arabs entering jerusalem thursday celebrate traditional mass supper arab priests greek orthodox church worshippers prayer checkpoint separating occupied west bank jerusalem soldiers told people army issued permits enter brothers celebrating mass church holy sepulchre hoping able join prayer father george makhlouf ramallah parish israel sealed occupied lands weeks spate palestinian attacks jews closure arabs west bank gaza strip jerusalem economic spiritual cultural centre father nicola akel christians suffer humiliation requesting permits reach holy sites makhlouf closure discriminatory allowing jews free movement part recent passover celebrations restricting christian celebrations yesterday jews celebrate passover interruption reach holiest sites israeli officer interrupted makhlouf speech demanding identity card ordering crowd leave revolted drop israel friend email compuserve clintonpz america online clinton mail tired learning american foreign policy effectively israeli controlled media highly recommend checking washington report free sample copy calling american education trust 
investment yehuda shomron organization thinking machines corporation cambridge lines distribution world nntp posting host composer article horen jonathan horen writes applaud investing money yehuda shomron chevel azza order create jobs residents find deplorable active policy israeli administration regard jewish residents past governments found funds subsidize cheap read affordable housing requisite infrastructure investment creating industry generated income jobs investment form huge breaks employer benfits overlooking difference made company part problem industries interested political settling profit years yehuda shomron remain barren bereft middle sized industries jewish settlements sterile bedroom communities havens main israelis secular religious work aviv jerusalem afford live city surrounding suburbs true leads obvious question investment made taxpayer expense answer resounding shai guday stealth bombers software engineer thinking machines corp winged ninjas skies cambridge 
israel expansion organization thinking machines corporation cambridge lines distribution world nntp posting host composer article writes couple questions israeli lobby israel occupation southern lebanon temporary stein working proof israel diverting water jordan river lebanese territory evidenced previous stages withdrawal area reductions troops troops level consistent light armored patrols permanent installations built area planned prodigal water question continue waste time existent proof accept testimony people lebanese acknowledged evidence allegations israel occupation west bank gaza golan temporary support settlers moved territories temporary hear depends territories refer general settlers moved territories time context situations logical move views change mistakes made disputed territory temporary eastern northern jerusalem steve shai guday stealth bombers software engineer thinking machines corp winged ninjas skies cambridge 
israel expansion nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia peter garfiel freeman organization columbia university lines bankrupt simply afford finance israeli ecconomy money occupation fool gulf brought israelis negotiating table backers secure base gulf insrtructed shamir negotiate phill hallam baker expose ignorance running debt past generations financed pleases gulf israel wanted decimating iraq scud attacks encouraged means forced negotiate baker address points impossible nutshell hypocritical attack israel presence lebanon attacking syria syrian occupation hostile amounts annexation israel defensive defensive lebanon occupied governed israel israel pete 
israeli press madness lines uucp excited implying posting fabrications suggest readers consult newspaper question tahnks elias 
unconventional peace proposal uucp lines center policy research subject unconventional peace proposal unconventional proposal peace middle east elias davidsson proposal based assumptions fundamental human rights life education establish family children human dignity free movement free expression important human existence rights states event conflict basic human rights rights collectivities basic human rights prevail collectivities defining jewish israeli palestinian arab labelled unresolved conflict exists conflict caused great sufferings millions people poisons relations communities peoples nations year united states expends billions dollars economic military conflicting parties attempts solve israeli arab conflict traditional political means failed long conflict perceived distinct ethnical religious communities peoples claim land peaceful solution love human beings capitalized sake peace justice people love share stated assumptions state proposal fund established disburse grants child born couple partner israeli palestinian arab entitled grant couple prove partners possesses entitled israeli citizenship return partner born areas current isreali control entitled citizenship return child grant amount child child subsequent child grant amount child fund financed variety sources shown interest promoting peaceful solution israeli arab conflict including government jewish christian organizations great number governments international organizations emergence considerable number mixed marriages israel palestine relatives sides divide make conflict lose ethnical unsoluble core strengthen emergence civil society existence strong mixed stock people integration israeli society middle east graceful manner objections proposal voiced attempt identify idea providing financial incentives selected forms partnership marriage conventional based concept affirmative action recognized legitimate form public policy reverse perverse effects segregation discrimination international permits affirmative action aimed reducing racial discrimination segregation objected israeli palestinian conflict primarily religious ethnical conflict conflict colonialist settler society indigenous colonized society regain freedom armed struggle objection based assumption enemy zionism ideology practice israeli jewish society members defeated objection merit fulfill assumptions primacy fundamental human rights collective rights fundamentalist jews object financial incentives encourage mixed marriages point view continued existence specific jewish people overrides consideration human love peace human rights president world jewish congress edgar bronfman reflected view years interview gave spiegel german magazine called increasing assimilation jews world comparable effects holocaust objection merit fulfill assumptions objected people israel palestine request grants serve purpose objection respond determine certainty effect proposal existence fund mixed couples resist pressure respective societies encourage young couples reject fundamentalist racist attitudes objected fund great sums bring substantial demographic objection merits remembered huge sums billion expended year united states government organizations maintain elusive peace middle east armaments mere fraction sums suffice launch proposal create favorable climate existence mixed marriages israel palestine encouraging emergence segregated society worn torn land thankful critical comments proposal dissemination proposal meaningful discussion enrichment elias davidsson post reykjavik iceland 
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binyamin netanyahu tonight nntp posting host pelvoux organization imag university grenoble france lines guess represents worst american israeli politics matter taste famous confession believed people adultry affair invented order impress likkud voters poor jealous hamazah real oded maler imag grenoble france phone mail maler 
armenia shoot turkish planes organization lines article terziogl rochester esin terzioglu writes article sdpa david davidian writes armenia shoot turkish planes ermenistan kasiniyor translate public traslation service armenia itchy esin clearify turkish armenia itchy simply letting world longer quiet turks famous tricks armenians remember turkish invasion greek island cypress world simply watched 
life organization dimension lines nntp posting host utexas serdar nationality supreme geek geekdom usenet laeding totally useless futile life computer wimpy epitamy coward predict spend rest useless wastefull pitifull life usenet wasted life system fourd phone cute quote computer means 
ccounts anti armenian human violatins azerbaijan summary prelude current events nagorno karabakh organization center regional studies lines accounts anti armenian human violatins azerbaijan prelude current events nagorno karabakh burned people small corpse burned child gruesome suffered tremendous shock people doctor duty numbers baku woman corpse part body hacked part woman body terrible deposition roman aleksandrovich gambarian born senior engineer sumgait automotive transport production association resident building apartment microdistrict sumgait azerbaijan happened sumgait great tragedy awful tragedy armenian people mankind genocide armenians place peacetime great tragedy personally lost father days young born february home heard unrest town younger brother aleksandr told thought happen outdoors people apartments clock large crowd kosmos movie theater microdistrict sitting home watching television balcony crowd pour street downtown airline ticket office house nearby group policeman shields threw rocks policemen moved direction building burned motorcycle courtyard started shouting armenians building switched light turns signal opposite turn light meant azerbaijani home thought lights apartment suddenly pounding door door apartment father mother younger brother aleksandr born father veteran world fought china soviet east pilot door started pounding harder breaking axes start talk azerbaijani happened armenians open door leave leave leave tomorrow leave armenian dogs broken door lock hinge sides hold father side mother brother prepared hammers apartment grabbed find defend broke door door gave held half hour neighbors police city government time held door started smash door lock side crowbar door gave tore hinges sasha flew hands axes crowbars pipes special rods made armature shafts father head pressure immense retreated room mother left part face brother sasha fought back sasha strong tempered judo champion sumgait hammers hands injured bandits heads eyes injured fell back places door fell angle remove door room continue finish father brought skewers gave sasha flew father bleeding face covered blood wounded head face bloody threw threw drove back hall drove floor landing group bandits remained rooms smashing furniture closed door started tearing door chase remaining finish imposing azerbaijani coming father fell mother flew started jumped balcony started calling ambulance started throwing stones windows veranda kitchen live fourth floor room leader group respectably dressed trench coat collar addressed mother azerbaijani woman shouting happened shouting happened killed father musician played clarinet played weddings armenian azerbaijani played years knew mother person killed played thousands azerbaijani weddings brought people killed person shout stop shouting heard voice people room opened door started running chased left told downstairs told fright told firearms fought hammers raced father started massage heart late asked neighbors call ambulance ambulance waited evening night midnight policemen informed khachmas heard group place condolences told touch left father room stayed home hammer knife home descend defend clock morning people sumgait procuracy investigators leave coming back bring expert record photograph people republic procuracy helped father morning neighbors arrived wanted father called procuracy police couple times called ambulance neighbors bandits coming place hide secured door left father room neighbor excesses began morning bandits vehicles panel trucks threw vehicles landing force center town building located crowd formed started fighting soldiers buildings airline ticket office started breaking armenian apartments destroying property stealing armenians home managed flee hide poured direction building shouting armenians left fourth floor meaning kill broke furniture remaining rooms threw burned large fires hiding floor heavy fell sasha threw door shouting father thrown father defiling corpse throwing fire burn heard sound kind hollow furniture mother pounced sasha stopped calmed left clock smashed open door apartment neighbors armenians left city father neighbor concealing crazy hiding armenians checking apartments kill leave apartment floor neighbors sons asked relented stayed eleven clock night heard sound motors neighbors armored personnel carriers downstairs light room left father rooms found chandeliers torn left bulb bulb burning signal agreed light burning apartment microdistrict pogrom soldiers made city party committee saved salvation mother brother mine purely accidental found neighbors crowd shouted firearms fought able save mother save father inflicted injuries bandits places wounded blood scratched share miracle survived saved miracle troops troops sumgait slaughter greater armenians victims genocide acquaintance city party committee able contact leadership military unit brought city orders assigned special people accompany experts pick father corpse morgue clock morning march raining hard cold wearing suits brother carried father morgue burned disfigured corpses burned people small corpse burned child gruesome suffered tremendous shock people doctor duty numbers baku woman corpse part body hacked part woman body terrible morgue guarded landing force child killed twelve years impossible corpse burned faces disfigured awful condition half months passed recall horror happened city sumgait father death father fought people sorrow morgue years passed soviet power established minute conceive happened sumgait history surprised afraid troops fought soldiers soldiers wounded threw fuel mixtures armored personnel carriers setting fire afraid impunity attacked troops clashes february airline ticket office building fighting soldiers inhabitants buildings azerbaijanis threw rocks soldiers windows balconies cinder blocks glass tanks afraid impunity neighbors robbing homes airline ticket office called police number robbing armenian apartments burning homes told knew burned days police department home saved found free vodka drugs station rocks distributed parts town thrown fighting arranged advance knew buildings apartments armenians lived floors lists bandits operation planned advance troops country leadership leadership ministry defense helping russian people majority troops russians troops suffered losses express gratitude family armenians sumgait armenians coming time averting terrible things worse happened stopped time present investigation conducted part ussr procuracy bandits receive severest punishment tragedy genocide happen severe punishment meted deeds bandits hardened hooligans part unrest mass disturbances mobs huge present caught judging newspaper reports people building people part pogrom building receive severe punishment retribution awaits perform acts yerevan reference sumgait tragedy pogroms armenians soviet azerbaijan volume eyewitness accounts edited samuel shahmuradian forward yelena bonner published aristide caratzas pages david davidian sdpa explain turkish troops center regional studies armenian border explain cambridge turkish march 
unconventional peace proposal organization thinking machines corporation cambridge lines distribution world nntp posting host composer article center policy research writes center policy research subject unconventional peace proposal unconventional proposal peace middle east elias davidsson accomplished criteria remember children bring stress households alternative financial incentives sexual performed partners ethnic backgrounds plan entitled peace income sexual security piss short time israeli screwed palestinian visa versa eligible income keeping spirit times condoms deductible expense policy discriminate gender basis apply domestic animals nationality joint palestinan israeli teams obligated ensure acts voluntary promptly rewarded teams palestinian israel morals patrols pimps receive percentage financial income order encourage participation incentive locating suitable candidates thankful critical comments proposal dissemination proposal meaningful insemination elias davidsson post reykjavik iceland shai guday stealth bombers software engineer thinking machines corp winged ninjas skies cambridge 
news miss organization university southern california angeles lines nntp posting host aludra jack schmidling writes yigal title news miss front page stories times call media cover samuel mossad special agent media spiking mind control division angeles offices pratice safe signature prevent dangerous signature virii guildenstern names shouted dawn message summons moment beginning missed 
hezbollah nntp posting host pelvoux organization imag university grenoble france lines article amehdi honeywell hossien amehdi writes israelis arabs able achieve peace years fighting major reasons arab governments representative people leaders stupid independent dictators true worst algeria israeli government arrogant comprising true adjective stupid intifada israeli leader including shamir thinks occupied territories worth trouble question question price quantitative detail thing palestinians days stop intifada live hard occupation people years stone throwing justified caused palestinians irreversible damage prevents running normal state time serves purpose waste human life economic resources oded maler imag grenoble france phone mail maler 
news missed organization bellcore livingston summary totally unbiased magazine lines article jack schmidling writes news missed busy israelists media spiked intrepid israeli soldiers israeli soldiers sexually taunted arab women occupied gaza strip week long closure sealed palestinians jewish state palestinian sources sunday incidents occurred town khan younis involved soldiers golani brigade centre house house raids palestinian activists closure imposed strip occupied west bank days khansaa secondary group naked soldiers taunted yelling kiss fled soldiers threw empty bottles saturday group soldiers opened shirts pulled pants khansaa walking home school parents keeping daughters home school soldiers harassed passing schoolgirls youth escaped boys secondary school deputy principal srur jamea shouted abusive language backed wall arms teacher hamdan hajras intervened soldiers kicked beat butts rifles tuesday troops stopped driven abdel azzim qdieh practising moslem demanded kiss female passenger qdieh refused soldiers year passenger kissed stop beating friday soldiers entered home zamno ealyan blindfolded wife music tape recorder demanded dance elderly couple danced soldiers slipped coupled continued dancing grandson asked happening army checking reports israeli troops christians jerusalem israeli troops prevented christian arabs entering jerusalem thursday celebrate traditional mass supper arab priests greek orthodox church worshippers prayer checkpoint separating occupied west bank jerusalem soldiers told people army issued permits enter brothers celebrating mass church holy sepulchre hoping able join prayer father george makhlouf ramallah parish israel sealed occupied lands weeks spate palestinian attacks jews closure arabs west bank gaza strip jerusalem economic spiritual cultural centre father nicola akel christians suffer humiliation requesting permits reach holy sites makhlouf closure discriminatory allowing jews free movement part recent passover celebrations restricting christian celebrations yesterday jews celebrate passover interruption reach holiest sites israeli officer interrupted makhlouf speech demanding identity card ordering crowd leave revolted drop israel friend email compuserve clintonpz america online clinton mail tired learning american foreign policy effectively israeli controlled media highly recommend checking washington report free sample copy calling american education trust advice ordered copy washinton report heartily recommend israel types reasons excellent absorber excrement line bottom parakeet cage negative side effect bird warped view mideast makes great april fool joke give middle east april fools plan call month free sample magazines cheap jews call barf kidding 
hezbollah distribution world lines hernlem ncsu brad hernlem wrote article tclock clock writes article colostate writes terrorist camp israelis view villages small communities kids playing soccer streets women preparing lunch playing cards young aged years members lebanese resistance inhabitants village secretive people suspect young supported financially iran time sneak arms ammunitions occupied zone booby traps israeli patrols time israeli soldier killed injured traps israel retalliates indiscriminately bombing villages choosing killing innocent civilians true method utilized guerilla terrorists groups conduct operations midst local populace forcing opposing state harm innocent civilians search order avoid deaths civilians abandon search people population cover blaim dragging innocent civilians harm suggesting guerillas population cover israel totally back easiest attacking innocent shield hope respects innocent lives guerillas wrong assuming civilians cover killing soldiers country buffer zone prevent attacks israel working neccessary israeli guns pound lebanese villages kill infiltrate buffer zone shelling villages called retaliation back make sense shell villages shows reckless disregard israeli government lives civilians clarify standards rules engagement understand israelis times circumstances fair targets opponents legitimate targets mirandized makes perfect sense grant priori israelis black hats killing automatically good thing hezbollah corollary hezbollah white hats good thing israelis prove attacking sounds suspiciously hockey cheers players team stick permanently rearrange opponent face curses penalizing side roles reversed sessions speaking note network address tnet author tmail mail news shell 
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public service translation keywords effective greek armenian postings organization georgia institute technology lines retarded translator david writing things make sense david chance talk deeply freedom speach killing torture things easy ways plans empty headeds lets dave write things turkish people cyprus hear word curse people retalliate muccukk timucin kaan timucin georgia institute technology atlanta georgia uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism internet gatech 
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investment yehuda shomron organization department redundancy department lines article center policy research writes learn perversion judaism consult masterly work yehoshua harkabi years head israeli intelligence opponent suggestion learn perversion judaism claim experience israeli intelligence suggestion learn conspiracy sesame street experience fashion design pizza making latest book published english includes detailed analysis judeo nazism judeo nazism league barf shmidling compliment jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
investment yehuda shomron organization department redundancy department lines article adam uucp adam shostack writes house jews reference person jewish ancestry issues statements company organization condemn judaism perfectly sufficeint house jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
armenia shoot turkish planes organization iowa state university ames lines article henrik writes article terziogl rochester esin terzioglu writes cancellum clearify turkish armenia itchy simply letting world longer quiet turks famous tricks armenians remember turkish invasion greek island cypress world simply watched address netters names signatures failed bother sign posting polite thing avoid addressing ladies island correctly spelled cyprus greek home communal society formed greeks turks history demography island essence turkey military intervention international agreements analogy occupation history today azerbaijani land drawn expansionist policy armenia pursuing agree issue diagnoses political conduct countries promulgate terminology itchy bitchy onur yalcin 
israeli soldiers kill child reply tsif uchicago organization university chicago lines article brown harry mamaysky writes steel nick steel writes occupying israeli soldiers terrorists kill year native child fasten arms shoots face writes false report nick steel provide documentation alleged incident singing opera good supporting singer give account documented back reread articles appeared joke antisemites anti israeli provocation fabricate applaud prefer steel refrain kind jokes future offensive negative effect state things jews arabs clown mike 
futility impotence greek foreign policy organization national capital freenet ottawa canada lines greeks year mitsotakis threatening macedonia recognized honourable papandreou back guess europeans pulled plug theis corruptness perversity greek foreign policy objectives pity live greek flag political decision makers recognition macedonia belgium germany italy joined denmark april recognizing republic macedonia reports member state greece blocked recognition macedonia noted recognition facilitate negotiations athens skopje underway york duncan perry reuters write lengthy negotiations numerous attempts reunite island turkish republic northern cyprus recognized humble servant kubilay 
hezbollah organization unocal corporation lines brad hernlem writes noted cheering attack israeli patrol inside lebanese territory condemning retaliatory shelling lebanese villages israeli israeli backed forces team playing fair opposing team rearranging faces spectators team viewing stands speak find sources news lebanon propaganda priori black white hats wonders bombard villages retaliation point attacks soldiers lebanon call lebanese terrorists attack justified debatable issue issue cheering death read original article find israeli government responsible dead soldiers reasonable debatable point feel satisfaction dead bodies reasonable standards matter justify understand frustration israeli occupation lebanon matter understand satisfaction dead bodies question assume bosnian village inhabited serbs untill years bosnian muslims means peaceful enjoy serbs coming killing armed bosnian muslims enjoy enjoy dead bodies israelis lebanese bosnians dorin 
yassin free propaganda machine freeman blood israel nntp posting host virginia organization rochester institute technology rochester lines article brown harry mamaysky writes article hasan mcgill writes check menahem begin dairies published book find accounts massacres including deir yassen numbers massacred children women greatly minimized writing directly attributable menachem begin admits massacre deir yassin hasan wrong request hasan revolt menachem begin dell publishing military aspect moral aspect story yassin village publicized world sides suffered heavy casualties killed forty wounded number casualties forty percent total number attackers arab troops suffered casualties neraly times heavy fighting word troops unjustified evidence regular irregular arab forces village villagers defending haganah observer irgun lehi forces suffered casualties incompetent soldiers trouble securing central part village small group palmach soldiers single casualty begin failure mention palmach major inaccuracies kind word account incidentally times heavy correct evidence arab loss closer lives quoted lives note begin compares wounded jews dead arabs fails mention number wounded arabs guess severe hostile propaganda disseminated world deliberately fact civilian population yassin warning battle began tenders carrying loud speaker stationed entrance village exhorted arabic women children aged leave houses shelter slopes hill giving humane warning fighters threw element complete surprise increased risk ensuing battle established sources loudspeaker truck stuck ditch village provide usueful warning substantial number inhabitants obeyed warning unhurt leave stone houses confusion fire enemy murderous number casualties bears eloquent testimony compelled fight house overcome enemy large numbers hand grenades civilians disregarded warnings suffered inevitable casualties education gave soldiers years revolt based observance traditional laws broke enemy forced accordance accepted custom apply reprisals convinced officers wished avoid single unnecessary casualty yassin battle throw stones denunciation conquerors yassin cloak hypocrisy connection capture yassin jewish agency found send letter apology abdullah gurion moment great political emotion called wise ruler seeks good people country wise ruler mercenary forces demolished gush etzion flung bodies heroic defenders birds prey replied feudal superciliousness rejected apology replied jews blame existence dissidents arab world world large wave lying propaganda loose jewish attrocities enemy propaganda designed besmirch result helped panic overwhelmed arabs eretz israel kolonia village previously repulsed attack haganah evacuated overnight fell fighting beit iksa evacuated places overlooked main road fall capture kastel haganah made open road jerusalem rest country arabs began flee terror clashed jewish forces happened yassin invented yassin helped carve decisive victories battlefield legend yassin helped saving tiberias conquest haifa worth noting begin disputes standard myth palestinian arabs fled part calculated plan footnote revolt counteract loss yassin village strategic importance arab headquarters ramallah broadcast crude atrocity story alleging massacre irgun troops women children village jewish officials fearing irgun political rivals seized arab gruel propaganda smear irgun eminent rabbi induced reprimand irgun time sift truth evil good arab propaganda spread legend terror arabs arab troops seized panic mention irgun soldiers legend worth half dozen battalions forces israel yassin massacre propagated haters world apparently israeli historians haters reference denunciation yassin fellow jews previously posted quotations irgun participants totally destroys begin whitewash desire post brendan 
spying case organization peter college lines article arens yigal arens writes angeles times tuesday april details extensive operation emerge francisco world bullock small time dealer operated house castro district reality undercover picked garbage amassed secret files anti defamation league years anti defamation league jewish defense civil rights organization acknowledges long collected information groups anti semitic extremist racist fact finding division headed irwinn suall york enjoys reputation thoroughness shared information police agencies journalists comical fact yigal arens important sifting garbage legal throw brings mind possibilities connection arens mind bullock working arens friend arens father brother moshe arens israeli defense minister spying arens hired bullock attention case cares robert siegfried computer science dept saint peter college jersey city siegfried 
legality jewish purchase nntp posting host reply zbib organization bell northern research lines amir rosenblatt writes zbib writes mind sell freedom dignity palestinians exception heard anti trust business world debating legality commercial transaction laws governing guidelines ethics transactions basic anti trust purchase stocks purpose investing acquire large number shares intent controlling make intentions clear apriori jews purchased properties palastenians designs buying dwelling real estate establishing bridgehead european jews palastenians sold properties jews tradition arab hospitality multi ethnic multi religious society accepting jews neighbours religion paid fair market victims international conspiracy conspiracy theorist hard dismiss address point jewish national fund bought land palestinians part tenant farmers fallahin living land owned wealthy arabs syria lebanon offered premium deal owners advantage called commerce owners made provisions worked basically shafting selling land blame jews amir categorize sale land shafting sold jews fair assume fallahin mistreated jews norm commerce read shafting arabs jews claim lebanese syrian landlords sold palestine true partially omits fact mandate treaty lebanon syria french rule palestine british obiviously landlord found foreigner palestine motivated sell price interesting acknowledge palestinians shafted israelis jews share opinion absolve purchaser ethical commitments written told answer response question intent purchase aimed controlling public assets land infra structure imho palestinians grounds contest legality purchase world court opinions 
nazi eugenic theories circulated unconventianal peace organization cirrus logic lines strong evidence stands unbelievable disgusting proves forget article center policy research writes center policy research subject unconventional peace proposal unconventional proposal peace middle east unconventional eugenic solutions jewish problem suggested northern europeans past eugenics science deals improvement control human mating hereditory qualities race breed webster ninth collegiate dictionary emergence considerable number mixed marriages israel palestine relatives sides divide make conflict lose ethnical unsoluble core strengthen emergence civil society existence strong mixed stock people integration israeli society middle east graceful manner feisal husseini statement zionist entity disolved forcing engage surrounding normal arab society strong mixed stock integration israeli society middle east graceful manner phrases nazi racial engineering pure simple israeli society exist fundamentalist jews object financial incentives encourage mixed marriages point view continued existence specific jewish people overrides consideration human love peace human rights president world jewish congress edgar bronfman reflected view years interview gave spiegel german magazine called increasing assimilation jews world comparable effects holocaust objection merit fulfill assumptions continued existance specific jewish people overrides consideration human love peace human rights disolve jewish people protect human values love peace heard himmler notice source problem accruing jews analysis spiegal sourcen objected fund great sums bring substantial demographic objection merits remembered huge sums billion expended year united states government organizations maintain elusive peace middle east armaments mere fraction sums suffice launch proposal create favorable climate existence mixed marriages israel palestine encouraging emergence segregated society worn torn land nice attempt slam israel thankful critical comments proposal dissemination proposal meaningful discussion enrichment elias davidsson post reykjavik iceland critical comment nazi flag holocaust photos bedroom wall elias succeed chris metcalfe find fans stand 
unconventional peace proposal organization department redundancy department lines article center policy research writes center policy research unconventional proposal peace middle east elias davidsson stupid postings brought recently illuminating chose stupidest proposal based assumptions fundamental human rights life education establish family children human dignity free movement free expression important human existence rights states calling dismantling arab states event conflict basic human rights rights collectivities basic human rights prevail apparently answer attempts solve israeli arab conflict traditional political means failed attempts solve problem traditional military means traditional terrorist means failed stop holy long conflict perceived distinct ethnical religious communities peoples claim land peaceful solution solution encouraging stated assumptions state proposal funnier fund established disburse grants child born couple partner israeli palestinian arab child grant amount child child subsequent child grant amount child fund financed variety sources shown interest promoting peaceful solution israeli arab conflict fund financed center policy research major organization emergence considerable number mixed marriages israel palestine relatives sides divide make conflict lose ethnical unsoluble core strengthen emergence civil society yeah marriages arabs strengthened societies existence strong mixed stock people integration israeli society middle east graceful manner world middle eastern grace objections proposal voiced attempt identify band listen followup postings debate leave jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
armenia shoot turkish planes organization lines article oyalcin onur yalcin writes article henrik writes article terziogl rochester esin terzioglu writes cancellum henrik clearify turkish henrik armenia itchy simply letting world henrik longer quiet turks henrik famous tricks armenians remember turkish invasion henrik greek island cypress world simply watched onur yalcin address netters names onur yalcin signatures failed onur yalcin bother sign posting onur yalcin polite thing avoid addressing ladies onur yalcin fine accept opology onur yalcin island correctly spelled onur yalcin cyprus greek home onur yalcin communal society formed greeks turks onur yalcin history demography onur yalcin island essence turkey onur yalcin military intervention international agreements communal society greece invade cyprus onur yalcin analogy occupation onur yalcin history today azerbaijani land onur yalcin drawn expansionist policy armenia pursuing buch crap nagarno karabagh part armenia stalin gave azeris back review history armenians nagarno karabagh simply defending rights homeland azeris invading teritory onur yalcin agree issue diagnoses onur yalcin political conduct countries promulgate onur yalcin terminology itchy bitchy stated hope armenians force turkish airplane land purposes searching arms similar happened summer turkey searched american plane carrying humanitarian bound armenia 
hezbollah organization department redundancy department lines article hernlem ncsu brad hernlem writes find sources news lebanon propaganda brad warning dangers propaganda funny coming priori black white hats wonders bombard villages retaliation point attacks soldiers lebanon call lebanese terrorists executes point attacks israelis white hats black hats civilians farmers teachers school children terrorists propaganda correct jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president 
flame jewish home palestine nntp posting host pelvoux organization imag university grenoble france lines article jake bony jake livni writes article nabil yorku nabil gangi writes exodus jews marched egypt number adult males total number jewish slaves leaving egypt larger number arrived holy lands substantially harsh desert killings jewish tribes nabil typical arabic thinking guilty nabil jewish tribes susceptible fratricidal murdering common arabs middle east killings jewish tribes comment typical thinking state interpretation exodus read exodus killing painted author bible ideological religious colors history desert ethos nomadic people occupying land great book descendants arabs turks mongols unify jake jake livni jake bony years george bush american occupied york replaced jimmy carter opinions employer opinions standard failed president oded maler imag grenoble france phone mail maler 
israeli expansion lust organization statistics pure applied mathematics university adelaide lines article columbia amir rosenblatt writes article jaskew maths adelaide joseph askew writes article adam uucp adam shostack writes depends define actual fighting largely predates arab invasions deir yassin happened midapril arab invasion define seiges constant attacks villiages count acts jews hope intend reasonable discussion wait express opinion deciding flamed define attacks villages deciding started count riots violence personally opposed civil disturbance requires organisation planning measure regualr semi regular forces arab liberation army counts easily convinced great deal planning organisation haganah palmach criticism reflects great organisation generally zionist camp arabs attacking silly case start invasion arab armies agree previous posters wrong week fatah launched katyusha rockets northern israel uprising begin doubt opinion requires organisation group command plan fatah lauches rockets southern lebanon group moslems sounds stone throwing joseph askew joseph askew gauche proud autumn stillness pleiades jaskew maths adelaide remote thorny deserts fell grief disclaimer care north tents somwhere brenda pale river murmurs 
hezbollah reply hernlem ncsu brad hernlem organization ncsu chem lines article sessions writes clarify standards rules engagement understand israelis times circumstances fair targets opponents legitimate targets mirandized makes perfect sense grant priori israelis black hats killing automatically good thing hezbollah corollary hezbollah white hats good thing israelis prove attacking sounds suspiciously hockey cheers players team stick permanently rearrange opponent face curses penalizing side roles reversed sessions noted cheering attack israeli patrol inside lebanese territory condemning retaliatory shelling lebanese villages israeli israeli backed forces team playing fair opposing team rearranging faces spectators team viewing stands speak find sources news lebanon propaganda priori black white hats wonders bombard villages retaliation point attacks soldiers lebanon call lebanese terrorists brad hernlem hernlem ncsu 
armenia shoot turkish planes henrik lines nntp posting host alban reply hilmi hilmi eren organization dept computer systems sciences stockholm university henrik writes armenians nagarno karabagh simply defending rights homeland azeris invading territorium homeland nagarno karabagh armenians homeland today fizuli lacin villages azerbadjan homeland great armenia dream facist methods killing raping bombing villages move blast truck kurdish refugees escape lacin city kurds armenians hope armenians force turkish airplane land purposes searching arms similar happened summer turkey searched american plane carrying humanitarian bound armenia speak things american cargo planes heading armenia turkish authorities announced search cargo planes planes returned base germany planes searched turkey content planes hard guess humanitarian search turkish planes talking turkey government announced giving weapons azerbadjan armenia started attack azerbadjan karabag province search plane weapons content announced weapons hilmi eren dept computer systems sciences stockholm university sweden hilmi 
israel expansion organization bellcore livingston summary hope springs eternal lines article columbia peter garfiel freeman writes article mcgill writes nice answer questions nice feel hearts give palestinians land focus fact israel annexed land kind gesture give back hope state palestinians established decision make jerusalem part state annexing steve steve israelis stupid palestinian state jordon israelis coming palestinians demonstrate govern live peace jewish neighbors give idea jerusalem part state disappointed israel annexed west bank jeruselum remain part israel forever yashir koach 
questions israel organization thinking machines corporation cambridge lines distribution world nntp posting host composer article center policy research writes center policy research subject questions israel questions israelis thankful live israel provide accurate answers specific questions provocative questions asked time people lived july input relevant true israeli authorities recognize israeli nationality cards israeli citizens carry times identify people jews arabs israelis separate questions israeli authorities recognize israeli nationality purposes passports consular services cards field nationality subdivision ostensibly field provided sevices provided religious departments general case true state israel fixed borders israeli governments today refused state ultimate borders state israel onset israel borders shaped reshaped peace israeli felt defining borders step meaningful peace treaties conluded neighbors plan ultimate borders game ultimate frisbee extending countries true israeli stocks nuclear weapons provide evidence vaanunu provided true israeli prisons number individuals secret identities date trial imprisonment state secrets true virtue question subject unanswerable claims validity claiming oxymoron deny number questions show obvious bias questions sort true entered mother vagina based kernel truth phrased render repugnant cast aspersions israel incidentally answer born section shai guday stealth bombers software engineer thinking machines corp winged ninjas skies cambridge 
hezbollah reply hernlem ncsu brad hernlem organization ncsu chem lines article stssdxb unocal dorin baru writes brad hernlem writes noted cheering attack israeli patrol inside lebanese territory condemning retaliatory shelling lebanese villages israeli israeli backed forces team playing fair opposing team rearranging faces spectators team viewing stands speak find sources news lebanon propaganda priori black white hats wonders bombard villages retaliation point attacks soldiers lebanon call lebanese terrorists attack justified debatable issue issue cheering death dorin dorin criticism post expressed accept regret aspect post hope occupation accompanying loss life stiff resistance achieve point losses unacceptable strategy drove troops lebanon brad hernlem hernlem ncsu 
armenia shoot turkish planes organization lines article hilmi hilmi eren writes henrik armenians nagarno karabagh simply defending henrik rights homeland azeris henrik invading homeland homeland nagarno karabagh armenians homeland today fizuli lacin villages azerbadjan homeland great armenia dream facist methods killing raping bombing villages move blast truck kurdish refugees escape lacin city kurds armenians nagorno karabakh azerbaijan armenia armenians lived nagorno karabakh armenians armenians live areas armenia nagorno karabakh area invade nagorno karabakh armenians defending azeris dying policy attacking armenians wrong policy recall correctly stalin caused problem land place armenians henrik hope armenians force turkish airplane henrik land purposes searching arms similar henrik happened summer turkey searched american plane henrik carrying humanitarian bound armenia speak things cargo planes heading armenia turkish authorities announced search cargo planes planes returned base germany planes searched turkey content planes hard guess humanitarian story talking planes sending armenian years guess planes story find search turkish planes talking turkey government announced giving weapons azerbadjan armenia started attack azerbadjan karabag province search plane weapons content announced weapons turkey start armenia 
armenia shoot turkish planes organization lines article oyalcin onur yalcin writes article henrik writes article oyalcin onur yalcin henrik ignorance manifests awkward form intransigence spend time review recent history cyprus good back references read interested provide number references issue send email stupid references greek friends info needed read articles generous relax swinging fists open agreeing assuming points state agreed easily relaxed henrik hope armenians force turkish airplane henrik land purposes searching arms similar henrik hope armenia goint henrik happened summer turkey searched american plane henrik carrying humanitarian bound armenia french plane changed route avoid inspection plane searched american turkey trust humanitarian cargo 
news briefs organization stanford university lines farzin farzin mokhtarian writes kayhan havai malekzadeh minister health mentioned population growth rate iran statistics significance small population growth rate sampling period small adequete suggest trend noise farzin mokhtarian mack 
remember names election time keywords federal government international government nntp posting host davinci concordia organization concordia university lines article clarinews balman writes washington secretary state warren christopher tuesday ideas stop human slaughter balkans ordering american fighters bomb serbs frustrated senator told damn thing joseph biden told christopher hearing senate foreign relations committee preventive diplomacy capability bosnia herzegovina biden chastised administration republican predecessor characterized limp response serbian policy ethnic cleansing muslims including rape shelling civilians time world stop bemoaning fact options biden pick couple biden endorsed lifting international arms embargo yugoslavia muslim dominated bosnian government chance defend serbs christopher give opening role conflict radical islamic government iran biden endorsed bombing serbian heavy weapons besieged eastern town srebrenica military person today gave order heavy weaponry srebrenica biden saved hundreds women children absolutely massacred military action thing change equation biden frustrations pressure christopher enthusiasm american combat aircraft strike serb positions bosnia herzegovina turning point bosnia situation christopher strikes steps complex tend interfere humanitarian endeavours options humanitarian feeding raped killed political conflict clinton vowed presidential campaign lift arms embargo strike serbian heavy weapons combat aircraft christopher airstrikes increase level fighting allies draw back pull humanitarian effort great britain france balked foreign military intervention bosnia herzegovina fear peacekeeping troops ground suffer serbian retribution hell ared protect victims becasue agenda nancy kassebaum agree christopher assessment stressed build bosnian expectations heavy military intervention important expectations raised high part beleagured bosnians strikes made difference months strategic significance step questionable christopher kassebaum jeopardize humanitarian relief effort made bosnian real subject embargo year serbs unlimited supply arms massacred chance defend evil coldhearted snake late save 
news miss organization university southern california angeles lines nntp posting host aludra jack schmidling writes article sgoldste fogbound child writes jack schmidling writes yigal title news miss front page stories times call media cover surprise americans read times monolithic centrally controlled media talking times major paper buck media spiking division activities defamation league class damage control left world assumption major newspaper prints articles front page subject matter strictly local considered open story coverup hear roll call area articles samuel mossad special agent media spiking mind control division angeles offices evidently incompetent pratice safe signature prevent dangerous signature virii guildenstern names shouted dawn message summons moment beginning missed 
syria expansion organization aiken computation harvard university lines article hallam desy writes article adam uucp adam shostack writes article writes israel occupation southern lebanon temporary israel repeatedly stated leave lebanon lebanese government provide guarantees israel attacked lebanese soil syrians leave acceptable syria lebanon determine return situation prior french invasion part mandate territory read colony lebanon make decision syrian troops controlling country syria leaves free elections place rediculous claim lebanese involved determining country israel determine lebanon invading country threat precisely wars aggression started expect agree holds true syria lebanon israel annexed areas areas occupied disputed legitamate governing body citizenship residents annexed areas wanted citizenship defines occupied recognised nation earth excluding small caribean island thought zionism racism fails make true reason security large jewish presense makes difficult terrorists infiltrate jewish settlements fortresses times theyu liability talking civilian encampments hours tanks lasted weeks tanks stopped tanks advancing lasted days evidence claim military liabilities evidence show infiltrations place jordan river existance large patrolled kibutzim forces terrorists small area picked morning reason political creating settlements brought arabs negotiation table creation towns cities years place left israel arab majority land left called arab fool gulf brought israelis negotiating table backers secure base gulf insrtructed shamir negotiate nonsense israel neighbors negotiating table years gulf brought arabs table israelis point reasons people moved green line reasons government wanted status negotiated disputed territories deal boundaries drawn negotiation results boundaries drawn peace araffat precious authority agree nonsense arafat israel destroyed clean denied plan waffles means arabs volcano arabs part world people continue fuel torch revolution rivers blood occupied homeland liberated yasser arafat adam shostack adam harvard budget drugs sexual favors waste members congress john perry barlow 
unconventional peace proposal organization aiken computation harvard university lines article center policy research writes idea providing financial incentives selected forms partnership marriage conventional based concept affirmative action recognized legitimate form public policy reverse perverse effects segregation discrimination people shown rediculous proposal wanted point people affirmative action intelligent productive demeaning supposedly helps discriminatory proposal based bunk adam adam shostack adam harvard budget drugs sexual favors waste members congress john perry barlow 
spied keywords hypocritical nntp posting host organization school computer science carnegie mellon lines article eshneken uiuc edward shnekendorf writes anwar anwar mohammed writes article ehrlich bitnet gideon ehrlich writes readers forum interested contents files nice yigal american authorities yigal arens dangerous authorities view people dangerous including millions americans arab ancestry answer question maintained files spied members california friendly rivalry arabs sympathetic palestinian israel monitors arab organizations reason monitored communist organizations soviet nationals years organization arab americans arab americans spied arab americans views national security threat israel gratuitously imply reference bombing arab americans involved inference assume arab lineage world poses threat israel spied basis pollard case mention rosenbergs jewish americans spied mind spying case convoluted sense wrong matters confuse yigal greenpeace member naacp reporter member dozens political organizations ethnic minorities occupations spied groups past part anti israel activity propoganda simply monitoring caught surprise times reporter information sold south african government involved anti israel activity propaganda infer simple reporting event newspaper constitutes anti israel activity propaganda south africa times reporter based south africa gideon ehrlich anwar anwar 
media horrified perot investigating bush organization california state polytechnic university pomona lines nntp posting host acvax nntp posting user cvads visser lance visser writes find source state retract claim library fair talking retracting produced talking head assume memory source conditions claim substantiate statement rudman perot investigating claim perot investigating state error point provided produce source give reason trouble agree simple time waste blow tripe post michael email mpye 
damn ferigner article distribution world organization corporation open systems lines nelson peter nelson writes article blackshaw writes nelson peter nelson writes norway posting place escaped understanding appeal allegedly rational people scheme king olav atlas special legal status title based mere accident birth begin inexpensive compared presidents alive drawing pensions expense accounts secret service protection president corporate world retiring senior executives nice pensions point performed service part compensation package service royals perform free ride born presidents peter presidents provided service country dissimilar occurs bull services familiar cattle breeding 
bill conklin letter article oregon distribution world organization university oregon lines nntp posting host oregon uoregon news software vnews article ajteel colorado teel writes main point human born bound contract wrong inherit debt party bound contract party constitution united states contract party bound human specifically mentioned article oath made affirmation uphold const bound uphold obey constitution contract statute teel show case constitution state constitution considered contract const designed limit powers government bind people designed delineate powers government argument presented great detail post wait daniel reitman write deed case involved construction conveyance grantees jointly tenants common equal rights interest land survivor thereof simple hold parties hereto equally jointly tenants common equal rights interest period term lives survivor thereof death court held survivorship provision intent create joint tenancy germain delaine 
traffic case article oregon distribution world organization university oregon lines nntp posting host oregon uoregon news software vnews article ajteel colorado teel writes mcdonald case dismissed interests justice authority grounds dismissed daniel reitman write deed case involved construction conveyance grantees jointly tenants common equal rights interest land survivor thereof simple hold parties hereto equally jointly tenants common equal rights interest period term lives survivor thereof death court held survivorship provision intent create joint tenancy germain delaine 
winning case article oregon distribution world organization university oregon lines nntp posting host oregon uoregon news software vnews article jamesdon james donald writes protesters legally correct jail sloan decision means protestors wrong weakness governments legal position shown fact protesting laws legal grounds federal jury trial rare feds blatantly stack jury faces turning time time demonstrate rules procedure make teel mentioned advice legally sound follow wind jail discussion purposes makes legally unsound representing teel procedural approach find recommend plea bargain setting water daniel reitman write deed case involved construction conveyance grantees jointly tenants common equal rights interest land survivor thereof simple hold parties hereto equally jointly tenants common equal rights interest period term lives survivor thereof death court held survivorship provision intent create joint tenancy germain delaine 
demo nonsense talk lies organization santa cruz lines distribution nntp posting host orchid ucsc article cramer clayton cramer writes homosexuals lying number long politicians running scared homosexuals lying surprise state figure high depending talking mind practicing heterosexuals people chose road avoids harassed wanted normal person irrational behavior calling liar start support claims corrupt criminal lying nature kinsey work justification homosexual rights modern make people step back moment question rest crap force news media sounds definitive label kinsey work factually based scientific journal relations people mutual consent interesting statement realize things life based mutual consent required occasion parties mutually consenting 
evidence organization santa cruz lines nntp posting host orchid ucsc article cramer clayton cramer writes article kane young star writes article writes homosexuals privacy home wouldn problem cliques present argument moral heterosexuality offended newspapers publicly announcing weddings heterosexuals nutpials public eyes banned wearing wedding rings legal recognition marriage public sexual difference wrong minority freedom helps obnoxious surprise groups translation minorities stay predesignated areas majority wrong makes majority rules queer nation increasingly belligerent public demonstrations violence homosexuals rises reminds crazies beat homosexuals presence aggravate things crime prevention extrapolate display private property nasty theifs carry money muggers bother realize homosexuals dangerous children immoral homosexuality promiscuity fetishism characterizes sexual predatory component glorifies pursuit candy hairless cocks words jojo typical homosexual jojo typical homosexual stop making statements people make sweeping generalizations grounding reality hope true typical heterosexual comment typical start extrapolating interesting conjectures heterosexuals 
news missed article genesis pqfbd organization mcsnet contributor chicago lines nntp posting host localhost article sgoldste fogbound child writes jack schmidling writes article babb scott babb writes jack schmidling wrote jonathan cook writes restrict condemnation racial strife israel situations bosnia tibet china merit comment aware close billion dollars exaggerate notice offer alternative number size year american taxpayers israel dollar star milky galaxy number 
winning case article shelley innl distribution world organization university washington school class lines nntp posting host stein washington dreitman uoregon daniel reitman attorney writes makes legally unsound representing teel procedural approach find recommend plea bargain setting water reading cases people things teel suggests show defendants fall classes procedural grounds grounds related claim lose newman schiff cited protestors teel schiff schiff offered call show cite section internal revenue code individual file return newman newman show rebroadcast morning schiff claimed offer extended people original broadcast offer newman accept unilateral contract formed schiff schiff correct schiff claim reward code smith 
california insurance commissioner endorses federal legislation protect consumers scam insurance companies article rahul reply starowl rahul organization service actuarial consulting lines nntp posting host bolero header ignore ignore ignore ignore line rick sjsu richard warner writes simple insurance commissioner bureaucrat regulator duties make rules enforce laws make life difficult actuaries michael adams starowl rahul champaign southeast thrush believes party system masters slaves napoleon solo 
sick tired bill conklin letter article shelley pqiubinnmht distribution organization university washington school class lines nntp posting host stein washington article richw rich wales writes cite case schmoe regular employee earning regular wages regular company refuses income hauled court convicted wilful sion conviction overturned supreme court landmark majority ruling income totally voluntary case exists hmm notes mixed close regular blue collar worker regular company hauled court convicted appeals circuit makes arguments cited teel winning shot circuit appeals supreme court certiorari denied defendant jail smith 
reasons russians nntp posting host eddie nasa organization propulsion laboratory pasadena lines article roby udel scott roby writes david letterman making format popular reasons conservatives russia send russia conservatives julie disclaimer opinions belong 
conservative organization engineering manufacturing atlanta atlanta lines kevin kevin darcy writes congress allowed abrogate constitutional rights privileges enjoyed persons abrogation rational reason compelling interest depending standard applied relevant granting class persons definition impinges rights class classes persons degree case abortion establishing rights unborn impinges greatly rights pregnant women presented sufficient justification fetal rights satisfaction arguments convinced rule prettier calls government charity money wilson theory relativity back related mark wilson 
rodney king trial civil rights violations double jeopardy organization engineering manufacturing atlanta atlanta lines spanagel harvard david spanagel writes recently occured heard person federal court violating civil rights cases supreme court decided civil rights violated miranda escobedo institutions facto defendants individuals mistaken similar cases individuals past times south prosecute murders blacks white juries cleared accussed specific charges lapd officers civil rights laws accused violating general charge specific mentioned double jeopardy concern verdict koon overturned appeal actions thought heard news previously ruled seperate governments essence seperate sovereigns double jeopardy apply true defendents city county governments mornings paper aclu decided reinstate opposition kind thing earlier suspended opposition examined king case hope aclu rule prettier calls government charity money wilson theory relativity back related mark wilson 
evasion considered unpatriotic organization engineering manufacturing atlanta atlanta lines cray writes article mwilson atlantaga mark wilson writes article loren petrich writes title explanatory isaac asimov pointed curious fact considered unpatriotic give state considered unpatriotic give life battle state patrioticly correct thought kind system collapsed soviet union pentagon standing collecting names draft meant point paying taxes cease patriotic money life important nice dodge give answer questions draft armed services voluntary taxes answered question answer mine rule prettier calls government charity money wilson theory relativity back related mark wilson 
winning case organization liberty trust lines mailer tmail version strange definition winning titled thread winning case sloan lost unanimous decision tore arguments pieces prison arguments united states sloan supp protesters legally correct jail weakness governments legal position shown fact protesting laws legal grounds federal jury trial rare feds blatantly stack jury faces turning time time teel mentioned advice legally sound follow wind jail james donald joseph stalin ideas powerful guns enemies jamesdon guns ideas 
supply side economic policy david stockman reply pcollac pyramid paul collacchi distribution organization pyramid technologies view california lines article ashish ashish arora writes excerpts netnews econ supply side economic boomer wrig deficits declined reaching spending hike reversed trend brett true details appreciated cheers brett posted data previously declined remember percent increase deficit growth rate growth deficit derivative total deficit respect time decreased brett apparently numbed thinking deficit declined spending earn deficit growing borrowing lesser rate borrowed previously deficit increases decrease deficits income exceeds spending difference debts figgie book paints real data pictorially gory detail president essentially total debt half time reagan congress simply awful bush congress unbelievable rigorous thread pledge night night public channel economist gave hour presentation data predictive based largely population data arguments brilliant confirmed data common sense boom government policy supply side policy taxes economic activities people economic activity explained watching population waves roll years create cycles made models predictions years middle century neat accurate paul collacchi 
reasons russians organization wake forest university lines nntp posting host wfunet tricky dick issued stern warnings bush clinton lose russia lost china 
price controls medical care govt summary loss leader argument wash organization aging improving lines nntp posting host thor article slagle lockheed writes article steveh steve hendricks writes hoping bring issue cost compensation problem argument fails explain kidney dialysis services expanded massively decade forcing private providers offer service losing money treatment information collected providers simply limit losses cutting back services engage effective rationing supply expand coverage larger market compensated raising prices areas competitive advantage reputable dedicated physicians prefer affiliate institution offers dialysis services tend admit patients greater numbers institution offered full range diagnostic treatment options undoubtedly fact fact hospitals frequently compete physicians patients part complicates undermines simplistic free market analysis market medical care hospitals tend lose money sorts high tech high price machinery manage make charges evidence true regard kidney dialysis price controls promoted expansion services greater volume patients profitable service expect evidence rationing vast expansion occurred remember notion lose treatment make volume good economics free market explain grocery stores routinely offer array products prices cost grocery stores embedded free market spell loss leader knew grocery stores attempt make loss individual product selling fact argument kidney dialysis loss leader medical treatments lost revenue regained evidence support contention appears price controls disciplined market forcing expansion service development improved lower cost technology provide comparable benefits providers continue profit simply make treatment price risen rate uncontrolled treatments question price controls forced price substantially actual cost doomsday predictions free market advocates restriction service lagging technological development likewise appears armed forces medical care systems providers government agencies negative impacts occur patients system spokane travel seattle miles treatment bottom line government intervention extreme sort appears beneficial results providers consumers claims government bureaucracy inevitably leads undesirable outcomes marketplace cases account mark steve hendricks domain steveh thing data uucp uunet thor steveh bulls hofferbert bell 
sick tired bill conklin letter reply richw rich wales organization mortice kern systems waterloo ontario canada distribution lines replying teel nifty letters giving concrete proof income voluntary giving specific procedures stopping withholding cetera humbug letters provide concrete proof absence case demonstrates method actu ally work ordinary people everyday situations specifically show case courts ruled income illegal ordinary working types income legally avoid paying income declaring churches silliness issue sufficiently important expect squarely point supreme court case federal state supreme court state income unwilling call material concrete proof refutation date sayers finally defeated hear reasons disbelief point refutation refutation made case posted plenty claims valid reason court agree claims surface deviate radically legal mainstream feel burden proof show arguments merit whatsoever cases cited involve strange situations reason assume rulings applicable ultimately stand appeal supreme court cite case schmoe regular employee earning regular wages regular company refuses income hauled court convicted wilful sion conviction overturned supreme court landmark majority ruling income totally voluntary case exists hmm conclude point received opposition forfeited field respect conclude hope sake conclude position authority united states legitimate illegitimate polit ical subdivision thereof agree conclusions matter confess confused court rulings favor thought told earlier court cahoots banking interests admiralty jurisdiction coverup thing honestly expect trouble subvert system promptly slink back burrows face knew invoke combination magic spells mystic mumbo jumbo care courts back disavowed attempts officials classify amendment federal citizen haul evasion jurisdiction back washington belong back mediaeval common suggested statutes codes renounce society legal framework fine declare outlaw sees driving roads license plate driver license wallet game animal stew supper plenty veggies pinch salt prejudice late sick tired garbage good clam stop refute nonsense falls winds jail evasion head needless represents opinions current employer case canadian care hand amend ment federal citizen passport prove plan filing form foreseeable future income foreign earned income exclusion foreign credit rich wales mortice kern systems king waterloo ontario canada 
california insurance commissioner endorses federal legislation protect consumers scam insurance companies organization distribution summary talkin generation lines article surfcty robert mcmillin rants left likes dodge issues morality behavior crying raises blames victim nonetheless recent editorial angeles times pointed free love advocates demolished poor thing children wedlock murphy brown turning figure salary sixteen skills income free love advocates manage perform demolition forced breeding programs accepting celebrating single wedlock parenthood radicals espousing free love stage catastrophe poor account straight nice long rant people personal responsibility economic social lives sudden radicals guess responsible poor people lifestyles works poor people dumb reasons disintegration family support systems general nation poor murphy brown janis joplin sane person list generation vaunted cultural revolution lasting change worse called relevant values education good idea time needed real education granted perlow germinal gadfly audace toujours audace encore audace 
chrysler bailout organization carleton university ottawa canada lines article mconners ohio state michael conners writes plug conservative hate work proud owner station real question feds bail steve jobs chrysler important manufacturing jobs lost reminded paxton song changing chrysler paxton price gold rising sight dollar shape tonight dollar head lettus economic forecast amidst clouds spot shining caneven glimpse devised plan action worked fraction action today chorus changing chrysler washington power broker iacoca perfectly acceptable changing chrysler heading great receiving line hand million grand standing hand mine creditors screaming dough proud scream holler paid dollar endless streams money seam flow glad matter simple form renumeration liberal education kind glad debt chorus amphibians crawled slime struggling unrelenting climb walking money started talking failure awful crime millennium point view corporate titanic failure gigantic congress safety chorus steven jobs paxton advice change chrysler neil bush give hand akasacou carleton eternal reward forgive wasting dawn morrison opinions expressed mine admit 
stop putting white males rochester tree schnopia organization university rochester rochester york nntp posting host uhura rochester lines mark mark wilson writes yuri villanueva elmo wrote pbray reed public account writes article rochester tree schnopia writes michael nasa michael rivero writes told congresswoman barbara jordan biologically incapable compassion personally doubt kind provide original quote context source ahem cross checking agree full naturally provide bits data paraphrase listed disregarded poster regarded full thought double checking double checked fact people vomited table time sleep pass buck person originally posted quote michael wild applause drewcifer andrew simchik schnopia rochester treewater words made cowards happy rhodes 
reasons russians rcollins encore roger collins organization encore computer corporation nntp posting host sysgem encore lines julie nasa julie kangas writes article roby udel scott roby writes david letterman making format popular reasons conservatives russia send russia conservatives julie disclaimer opinions belong nixon vocal giving money russia makes proud libertarian appears conservatives liberals prefer cold nurse enemy back health subsidizing wealthy countries japan germany free defense trade warring economic competition subsidizing tobacco farmers paying bureaucrats pursuade people smoke pass prevent government stupid frivilous things money constitution supposed legitimate constitutional power federal government takes money paycheck needy countries roger collins directed washington reap bread thomas jefferson 
reward organization specialix lines ajteel colorado teel writes united states citizen resident state citizenship amendment citizen citizen state live resident people citizens state live state citizen states live california 
motor voter organization university virginia lines kaldis rutgers theodore kaldis writes entered grade eisenhower president john kennedy obscure senator england hope teddy graduate grade clinton president disclaimer remialcsid 
concentrate child molesters organization exnet systems public access news london lines article rstevew richard steven walz writes article xavier gallagher writes article drakon portal harry benjamin gibson writes bothers arguement calmly explain homosexuality great giving standard judeo posting enjoyed reason homosexuality jews struggling group people hard survive differentiate oppressors things worshipping foes polytheistic moral context foes perverts spilled seed liberally easy spill seed spread thin heterosexualy specific prohibition homosexuals answer back stoning death population growth foes perverts begs question word spilled semen spilled chance procreation spilt ground ditto animals jews creation homosexuals breed fore evil stoned death directed breeding jews number foes survive multiplication stoning death population sounds prejudices existed blown religion emphasize differences jewish culture enshrine pretty stoning breeding population fine breeders considered worth jesus judaism original prejudiced bullshit bullshit profound misogynist bitterly record marriage gibson xavier richard steven walz rstevew armory xavier xavier gallagher play cheap part time dark overlord world wide uucp universe email feeds mail advanced dungeons dragons 
clayton cramer fixate molesting children organization exnet systems public access news london lines article ripbc bitnet writes cramer clayton cramer homosexuals passed california makes illegal discriminate person employment based sexual orientation defined sexual orientation pedophilia sexual orientation cramer claiming pedophilia sexual orientation chronicly homosexual condition argument pedophilia sexual orientation peds called homosexual peds peds preference child molest preference subset basic nature cramer admitted peds orientations admit apparent similarities optical illusions xavier xavier gallagher play cheap part time dark overlord world wide uucp universe email feeds mail advanced dungeons dragons 
damn furriners organization university virginia lines kaldis rutgers writes kaldis worm rank balderdash america reputation abroad tarnished feckless pusillanimous cowards apparently requisite gonads stand american honor dignity translation damn liberals american necessarily stick program moving gave authority create enforce hazy thing called american democracy stick stick choose remember civics class greeley problem canadians stand certitude nice generalization pipsqueak mouse intrude courage convictions hell convictions start kind manly dignity sheesh coming crass manly dignity feel hurt 
tieing abortion health reform clinton nuts reply organization developer docudramas lines article parker uiuc writes people call cruel unusual punishment imprisonment cruel lethal injection pales comparison death sentence convicted cruel unusual crime matters response matters lessen killing response killing vengeance deterrent serves purpose slake blood lust nice convicted crime commit make death penalty justifiable yeah yeah yeah nice apply death penalty disproportionately minorities revisit opinion death penalty whites blacks hell freezes silverio ceej people causing trouble socialists homosexuals typical sort person opposes treshman klansman leader life group rescue america april 
prolifer terrorist threat organization weitek corporation sunnyvale lines article drieux writes article pamhpinn utexas taite utexas writes prepared instruct individuals proper handling firearms desert storm years national guard great deal experience handling weapons tactical training discussion counter sniper operations security drills friend counter terrorist operation twit promises train tactics weapons handlings doubt long terrorists sudden rise firearms accidents fiends fetus 
reasons russians nntp posting host zeppelin convex organization engineering convex computer corp richardson disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines roby udel scott roby writes reasons conservatives russia edited funny remembering good humor dances uncomfortably close truth wait inevitable flames paul barnett development convex computer corp richardson 
california insurance commissioner endorses federal legislation protect consumers scam insurance companies organization jose state university math dept lines johne john eaton writes nigel allen ndallen node wrote press release california department insurance california insurance commissioner endorses federal legislation protect consumers scam insurance companies dense thought protecting consumers scam insurance companies prime objective called insurance commission accomplishing simple insurance commissioner bureaucrat regulator duties make rules enforce laws make laws covers specific subject scam insurance companies regulator create proper legislative body enacted california insurance commissioner legislative bodies california state legislature congress california state legislature accomplishes lines insurance reform legislation negative movement garamendi feds chance federal scam companies work state lines national borders reach jurisdictions john eaton johne 
celebrate liberty organization stratus computer marlboro lines reply jmann pubs stratus nntp posting host gondolin pubs stratus article waldrop fidonet waldrop writes answer number libertarians fans vice versa number fans baseball fans plan posting schedule mann stratus computer jmann pubs stratus 
clinton sister shalala reply uchicago organization university chicago lines night heard bill clinton sister involved marijuana bust news suppressed heard source reliable collage booklet advertising local band verify provide details surprised newsgroup happened charges shalala regular smoker college ghastly accusation reported streamline news nominated heard make start type campaign invade privacy closet smokers type publicity violate people rights jake interdisciplinary studying lower levels thought process jacob galley uchicago 
sexual proposition sexual harassment organization winco lines article wdstarr william december starr writes article inel dale cook real world data point person stronger legal claim harrassment sexual make clear offender behaviour unwanted behaviour persists harrassment easier demonstrate fact offender knew behaviour unwanted argument original query regarded question sexual proposition made person person considered sexual harassment people assuming exist power relationship proposition carries strong implications extortion word people wrong word harass means irritate torment persistently time fall definition persistent additionally basis assume behaviour unwanted unlike illegal proposition original question offering money inarguably harrassment activity illegal presumed unwanted average citizen issue viewpoint prostitution victimless crime literally millions americans participate sort victimless activities state defined criminal prostitution obscenity gambling recreational drugs mercenary persons spouse states unnatural people marital status exchange money states idea activity presumed unwanted average citizen illegal sort sophistry judge indulge straight face speaking student read share judicial opinions reality denied fact inverted order make universe conform writer politics speaking legalistic viewpoint true order make sense manages make make assumptions assuming illegal activity unwanted average citizen reasonable preponderance evidence side propositioner reasonable belief proposition number people participate victimless crimes notwithstanding fact reamins activity illegal presume proposition simply large number people indulge type sophistry lawyer indulge straight face dale cook town churches bars social problem edward abbey opinions mine employer 
reasons russians nntp posting host eddie nasa organization propulsion laboratory pasadena lines article rcollins encore roger collins writes julie nasa julie kangas writes article roby udel scott roby writes david letterman making format popular reasons conservatives russia send russia conservatives nixon vocal giving money russia makes proud libertarian appears conservatives liberals prefer cold nurse enemy back health enemy sounds viewpoint stereotypical rednecked conservative commies suggest listen carefully stuff yeltsin people compare anti west slogans coming opponents russian congress back germany back terrible enemy wwii subsidizing wealthy countries japan germany free defense trade warring economic competition subsidizing tobacco farmers paying bureaucrats pursuade people smoke degenerate civil remember nuclear weapons russia imagine civil nationialists prevent civil feel back large parts land countries ukraine imagine ukraine giving land fight possibly nuclear affect planet vast tracks europe blown feel massive breakup country spans planet bound affects humanitarian argument democracies democracies struggling democracies pass prevent government stupid frivilous things money constitution supposed legitimate constitutional power federal government takes money paycheck needy countries opinions stupid russia strong space program champion welfare education studies drunken goldfish republic true democracy gridlock massive scale gridlock congressional scale decide stupid impose morals sort thing thought libertarians politics pretty libertarian issue impossible join party libertarians withdraw rest world sink swim years beginnings global economy global decision making julie disclaimer opinions belong 
clayton cramer fixate molesting children organization howtek reply rick rick mailer uaccess macintosh release lines article talk politics misc rstevew richard steven walz writes article ripbc bitnet writes dialogue gays showed awareness practical issue women toilets abuse avenue closed situations easy prevent sexual abuse sexes measures social conventions harder prevent gays gays abuse children aware practical problem solve good sides protection parents children time protection gays ways importance pursuit happiness thought rohit parikh rohit responding recognized flaming clayton cramer abused living life attempt vilify slightly similar assailant alter misrepresent finds prove homosexuals rape boys coming woodwork hope probability secretly compounds neurosis mind thinking made personally walk chew time mentally crippled dominated fantasies figures percentage people time smaller virtually assert queer believes evidence homosexuals huge disproportionate amount child sexual abuse insists male population population francisco empty significant portion sought tolerant atmosphere city numbers simply work home town origins gained communicating clayton cramer unable listen richard steven walz rstevew armory maple street safe free abortion women santa cruz organ surrogates unwanted parasites real accept organ slavery protect women response applies posted badly mistaken rohit suggesting protecting boys protecting situations boys members opposite social convention safe sense situations necessarily protect children abuse members understand tremendous leap suggest hard practical solution partial solution situations children made vulnerable homosexuals abuse working good sides able start solving problems restricting freedoms walz hand rohit post excuse personal attacks cramer walz long stretch flame cramer childish serves weaken arguments make future rick usenet rick america online disclaimer employer views orthogonal early bird worms 
evasion considered unpatriotic organization university washington school class lines nntp posting host stein washington ipser technet ipser writes deeper reason taxes nature american birth history fact newly independent states systems smith 
concentrate child molesters organization motorola corp schaumburg nntp posting host lines article chris bertholf writes mcartwr american martina cartwright writes official legal term rape crime forcing female submit sexual intercourse supply references aware states word female rape statutes surprised works practice nice fair unaware statutes applying females uniformly agree chris true figures rape based uniform crime report report female rapes states illinois tabluated refuse comply sexist definition worms crawl worms crawl worms post account 
concentrate child molesters article optilink organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article xavier gallagher writes article cramer clayton cramer writes article drakon portal harry benjamin gibson writes force people hire rent business feelings beliefs person cramer target forces obey point individual stand sucks women forced passed enforcement mechanisms usual wrong brought democratic processes processes protect abuses yeah guess time homosexual complains sodomy laws echo stupidity democratic processes basis complaint admit understood referred abomination started read motss started finding evidence homosexuality response child molestation disproportionately homosexuals make brian kane happy molestation homosexuals bisexuals homosexual bisexual molesters victims heterosexual molesters depends subset note subset abuse repeating times makes correct clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent xavier gallagher play clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
concentrate child molesters article optilink organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article quirke govt writes cramer clayton cramer writes thought clear homosexuals support laws force employment homosexuals employers attempting interfere private acts mutually consenting adults leave discuss statistics able discuss liberterian ideas ideas good seek maximise individual rights keeping governments transactions consenting adults employer discriminate group allowed maximise freedom discriminatees relate maximising total individual rights community employer shopkeeper discriminate freedom discriminatee people live perfect economic conditions perfect mobility unlimited numbers potential employers skills unlimited places goods liberterian argument leads decrease amount liberty community large part population supports discrimination homosexuals injured large part population supports discrimination passed tony quirke wellington zealand quirke govt clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
concentrate child molesters article optilink organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article chris bertholf writes mcartwr american martina cartwright writes official legal term rape crime forcing female submit sexual intercourse supply references aware states word female rape statutes surprised works practice nice fair unaware statutes applying females uniformly chris confusion uniform crime reports program defines rape female victim crime states laws sexed suspect male victims rape left data clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
pedophilia laws article optilink organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article kzoo jamie mccarthy writes cramer clayton cramer writes homosexuals concept freedom force people hire rent business feelings beliefs person point clayton unfairly lumping entire class people completely dived abyss believing queers world differently child molestation advocating minority motss notice starting sentence referent millions people irrelevant lumped group stop insisting treated member group dreitman uoregon daniel reitman attorney writes force people hire require people give fair cramer clayton cramer writes give fair decide hire wearing nambla shirt files lawsuit lose laws force hire homosexuals pedophiles sexual orientation defined anti discrimination passed year pedophilia sexual orientation cramer describe accurate apply computer company wearing article homosexual adornment dunno silence death turn darned thing correct assuming wholeheartedly approve company actions wholeheartedly support action wholeheartedly support action nambla shirt black applies bank bank decides based statistics black person steal money denies support bank freedom explain differs support support engage sodomy consenting adults wrong business bank clayton repeatedly california statutes classify pedophilia sexual orientation discriminating basis sexual orientation illegal true frankly amazed trust clayton give story clarify true sort discrimination clayton talking jobs housing hate crimes effect daycare hire admitted pedophile jamie mccarthy internet applelink mccarthy passed signed governor people state california enact section purpose codify existing case determined students pacific telephone telegraph soroka dayton hudson corp prohibiting discrimination based sexual orientation section added labor code read sections prohibit discrimination disparate treatment terms conditions employment based actual perceived sexual orientation section apply religious association corporation organized private profit incorporated religious public benefit corporation clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
concentrate child molesters article optilink organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article radagast welly radagast writes cramer clayton cramer writes homosexuals concept freedom force people hire rent business feelings beliefs person clayton good consistent predictable homosexual people force ignore fucking business explain slowly sexual orientation irrelevant irrelevant gender skin colour religious affiliation attitude hand ownership force hire person rent accomodation person business make money proposed virginia extended philosophy cigarette smokers people smoked work discriminated employers liberal wilder vetoed shows liberals give damn person power play clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
hilter homosexuals article optilink organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article erics eric smith writes gsmith heidelberg gene smith writes people voted hitler reich chancellor good part bully boys attack communists hitler reich chancellor people voted meant imply thought bring eric smith hitler chancellor people voted political party huge difference parliamentary system clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
lincoln slavery tricks play american voter article optilink organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article steveh steve hendricks writes article kmitchel kenneth mitchell writes slavery makes economic sense makes moral sense human muscle power economically valuable asset agricultural slavery lasted mechanical cotton reaper reapers cheaper slaves winter argument makes fundamental errors agricultural slavery limited production cotton american south slave labor extensively grow tobacco sugar rice remained labor intensive enterprises century states kentucky virginia suited large scale plantations slave labor make valuable agricultural products slaves ways treatment humans beings breeding livestock horrifying aspect american slavery mechanization cotton production expected reduce demands labor eventually mechanization cotton production south largely eliminated labor intensive character operation long mechanical cotton reaper invented interesting question steinbeck grapes wrath published agricultural mechanization cotton production arkansas joad family evicted land years involved mechanization cotton farming mitchell powers delegated united states steve hendricks domain steveh clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
lincoln slavery tricks article optilink organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article steveh steve hendricks writes article depken econ craig depken writes article glhewitt princeton gary livingston hewitt writes labor tough labor defined economically efforts mental physical humans capital defined intermediate goods create goods services slave considered intermediate good slave dehumanized simply machine good anti slave human rights argument slaves humans produce labor question defining slave labor tough defining labor horse livestock legally economically slave economy slaves humans livestock provide evidence slave states regarded slaves humans society similar phrases basically meant recognized rights free person considered human knowledge horse pulls plow slave labor return capital required purchase feed parallel obvious missed liberty property motivated southern planters emphasize importance states rights case slave states passed laws restricted freedom slave owners wished property examples laws prohibiting manumission legislative grant laws prohibiting teaching slaves read write craig steve hendricks domain steveh clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
lincoln slavery tricks play american voter article optilink organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article depken econ craig depken writes article steveh steve hendricks writes argument slavery dying institution made historians southerners sought divert attention institution central issue civil fact argument specious recent scholarship years demonstrates conclusively cotton sugar tobacco economy reliance slavery increasingly dominant south prior civil south receive massive momentum capital intensive growth northern states compare northern agricultural system southern major difference capital labor intensity capital labor slave economy capital reproduce readily slaves slavery dying institution cotton true cotton suffered price depression period claim slavery lasted south argument heard lasted growth north sustained longer spilling southern states northern industry migrated capital southern states immigrant labor ports south charleston savannah mobile orleans breaks slave market slavery moded capital intensity competing agriculturalists insisted keeping slaves cruel hearts hatred black people driven business simple capital labor ratio read michael parkin microeconomics edition basic economics book assumes slave holder dominance state governments caused passage laws capital north slave holders prepared destroy free markets order maintain slavery doubt passed laws cripple competitive threat thomas sowell market minorities argues maintenance slavery costs imposed state local governments discouraged capital formation capital investment southern states craig depken clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
lincoln slavery tricks play american voter article optilink organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article glhewitt princeton gary livingston hewitt writes article depken econ craig depken writes concluded south wanted free trade wanted slavery free trade economic interests regime free trade wanted gary hewitt glhewitt princeton free trade slavery make sense phrase depken meant import tariffs free trade clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
rodney king trial civil rights violations double jeopardy distribution organization stanford university lines article mwilson atlantaga mark wilson writes spanagel harvard david spanagel writes specific charges lapd officers civil rights laws accused violating general charge specific mentioned accurate wrong specific allegedly violated process double jeopardy concern verdict koon overturned appeal actions thought heard news previously ruled seperate governments essence seperate sovereigns double jeopardy apply true defendents city county governments mornings paper aclu decided reinstate opposition kind thing earlier suspended opposition examined king case hope aclu double jeopardy apply reasons quote double jeopardy states person charge police trial crime excessive force assault trial crime violating king civil rights city county state happen cities states separate laws governing behaviour states offence carry marijuana city offence murder federal state laws mind filled evening headlines read richard cory home night bullet head 
century capitalism organization caltech biology lines distribution world nntp posting host anise caltech article mece chris struble wrote christian struble writes people good deal effort unwilling effort face economic incentives people stupid lazy relative ability effort question options kill productive drain society communist toil lenin fascist approach generous communists practice communism solved problem killing productive raises embarrassing questions rest group bunch sluggards mass butchery kulaks ussr good instance poor neighboring capitalist country people politically incorrect skill ambition flee castro cubans presently miami forced remain cuba revolted killed killed build wall locking citizens country load heavily attack dogs barbed wire land mines people fleeing give choice obedience prison flight science fiction east germans person crossing wall recall unarmed woman shot back erich honecker trial fled socialists chile good kind intellectual opponents sheer waste time erich schwarz schwarze caltech 
reasons russians summary constitutional basis foreign organization historical accuracy lines nntp posting host thor article rcollins encore roger collins writes pass prevent government stupid frivilous things money constitution supposed legitimate constitutional power federal government takes money paycheck needy countries roger collins asked article section article section article section article section article sixteenth amendment guide reading steve hendricks domain steveh thing data uucp uunet thor steveh bulls hofferbert bell 
hard times investments subject organization corporation riverdale lines nntp posting host descartes army article freenet broward horne writes previous article riggs army bill riggs land long game make killing nosediving real estate markets worst thing panic thing ride deflation hurts sell short donate inheritance paradigm shift coming chum ride wave wave theory land mike zimmer replacement mother grew germany money started real estate developer raises horses telling inflation coming back lock fixed rate mortgage spell spell trillion dollar bank bailout invest foreign currency guess sigh speculators learn bill proposals senate opinions represent mention employer praiseworthy scandalous government agency historian foremost bill riggs duty ensure virtue remembered deter evil words deeds fear posterity damnation tacitus annals 
losers stop putting white males keywords racism sexism mysogyny organization corporation riverdale lines nntp posting host descartes army article rochester tree schnopia writes michael nasa michael rivero writes white male white males class invented light bulb automobile airplane printing movable type photography computers electric guitar anasthesia rocket powered space flight computer electricity telephone motion pictures penecillin telescopes nylon machine glaring errors white males class individual white males invented things means white males neglected mention charles manson hitler mccarthy jack ripper bundy slew individuals horrible evil things white males credit fellow white males boons blame fellows blights claim deserve credit blame things told congresswoman barbara jordan biologically incapable compassion full shit told susan brownmiller rapists full shit told catherine comins false rape charge good full shit told feminist lawyers trusted children full shit told newsweek magazine poor sports complain newsweek full shit point ladies gents michael correct theory members race gender made great advances race gender deserve respect receive white males deserve treated treated reason male bashers quoted repugnant hate mongers chauvinists despise usual white males wake realize unfair wake realize unfair back disgusting racist sexist learn treat fairly generalizing stupidity gene makes difficult world clue word missing discourse word word words word loser boil crap argument winning losing explain remember eighties excuses handle mail buffer claim young remember ronald reagan eighties america learned wouldn left cold endure nuclear holocaust worlds conquer forgot outer space long kind overwhelming holds barred success killed alexander great problems stock market meltdown bailout revolts crazy middle eastern dictators contend tacitus augustus good meantime guilt winning fear deserve bounty success kinder gentler type politician days bill clinton affirmative action lots discourse people winning business kind talk mildly irritating suggestion losing find mildy stereotype white male winner woody hayes rose bowl punching photojournalists california fruits nuts steal hail mary pass fourth quarter idea yards cloud dust wear opponent collapses final period woody fists uzzies weapon choice days fens answer plain horn rims face michael douglas posing loser controversial casting baggy short sleeved white shirt natural mike gordon gekko woody dressed expect gekko easy enjoy kind wardrobe putting fuss starting lose sight bashing fens game bashing poor african american slug clint eastwood blow time arch wasp male gender george scott declaimed americans traditionally love love winner tolerate loser political implications simple socialists democrats society finite apportioned equitable worry winner loser side black women today asian homosexuals tommorrow white determined balance finally swung minority blow thing conservatives libertarians care winning losing cases make game fair equality opportunity condition case able identify neoconservative neoliberal depending limit winner longer popular graduate high school popular high school reunions beats nerd imagine michael douglas agree long hollywood treats losers worse place america york washington columbus ohio produced alex keaton champion football teams eighties quarter nineties winners society race gender religious preference sexual orientation white buckeyes rose bowl someday bill proposals senate opinions represent mention employer praiseworthy scandalous government agency historian foremost bill riggs duty ensure virtue remembered deter evil words deeds fear posterity damnation tacitus annals 
formal rebuttal presumption jurisdiction organization rutgers univ brunswick lines article uchicago frank writes breathing clean provided government regulations beat heard mouthful mindset frank statists views expressed theodore kaldis kaldis rutgers major university rutgers remus rutgers kaldis hold views 
reward organization california state university chico lines nntp posting host hairball ecst csuchico reply dreitman uoregon message article dreitman uoregon daniel reitman attorney writes article ajteel colorado teel writes definition resident specific thing alien remember common usage words legal meaning gotta authority black dictionary revised page residence factual place abode living locality reese reese misc zimmerman requires bodily presence inhabitant place campbell guardianship minn domicile residence place frequently meaning identical terms person places residence city country domicile residence means living locality domicile means living locality intent make fixed permanent home residence simply requires bodily presence inhabitant place domicile requires bodily presence place intention make domicile riley misc residence demands intimate local ties domicile domicile absence indefinite period intent return remains immigration transatlantica italiana elting ward ward southwestern greyhound lines craig holding residence domicile synonymous terms residence meaning dependent context purpose statute jones words residence domicile identical variable meaning depending subject matter context statute kemp kemp misc legal residence legal resident residence place residence tenant obliged reside lord land depart called homme levant couchant normandy resseant fief ronald cole mail zippy csuchico senior software engineer phone optx international bill rights void prohibited 
hate crimes laws article midway reply uchicago organization university chicago lines article dmeier acns douglas meier writes article steveh steve hendricks writes article dmeier acns douglas meier writes beats homosexual charged assault battery bashing list sort double jeopardy fascist deter epidemic bashing deterred assault laws make beating homosexual illegal beating straight advocating hate crimes laws aimed motivations acts premeditated homicide treated stricter heat passion homicide double jeopardy single lead multiple charges multiple crimes meant current mutation constitution current police state charged multiple times victim question shade single merit charge bomb world trade center charged murder deaths extensive property damage bomb single douglas meier play electro magnetic golf frank teel mentioned uchicago advice legally sound follow school wind jail standard disclaimers james donald misc legal 
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formal rebuttal presumption jurisdiction organization california state university chico lines nntp posting host hairball ecst csuchico reply prds message article prds breslau writes amazing illustration disconnection reality glad agree current government reticent admitting sovereignty people speaking personal experience judges illegally assume jurisdiction demanded prove jurisdiction record stood mute appellate court uphold action hide california rules court rule judges appellate department required write opinions cases decided deem advisable public interest reality agree ronald cole mail zippy csuchico senior software engineer phone optx international bill rights void prohibited 
funding plan military medkeffjs hiram jeff medkeff organization hiram college nntp posting host hirama hiram lines article drieux drieux drieux writes armed services privatize organization sourcing aspects part current sizing finally allowed free market control longer military folks running post office slow flame rhetoric artform agree jeffrey medkeff bitnet medkeffjs internet medkeffjs hiram hiram pale ebenezer thought wrong fight roaring bill killed thought 
trickle quayle genius organization netcom line communication services guest lines garrett writes robert nehls writes jason schechner virginia wrote article umich writes decade live unemployment dropped inflation dropped interest rates dropped true paying nose current recession argue world recession record number months straight economic growth democrats admitting recession ofcicially ended march months unemployment rate california feels recession people laid january recession figure reported york times official figure bureau labor statistics stopped government tracking layoffs months budget cuts information published harper index harper magazine eric smith quayle president erics shelley winters runs bulls pamplona erics dennis miller 
hate crimes laws article news organization northwestern university evanston illinois lines nntp posting host unseen acns article uchicago writes article dmeier acns douglas meier writes meant current mutation constitution current police state charged multiple times victim question shade single merit charge bomb world trade center charged murder deaths extensive property damage bomb single frank teel mentioned frank rescue cool headed reason charge victim days find case apply heck study hate lawyers douglas meier play electro magnetic golf northwestern university acns rules centrifugal university commie bumblepuppy huxley brave world pinko views dmeier acns 
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secret purpose falklands organization university wisconsin claire lines secret purpose falklands visibility technology beter audio letter digitized volkoff mail address eidetics audio letter registered trademark audio books texas corporation originally produced tape recording reproduced open license granted audio books beter audio letter washington friends beter today april audio letter month broke south atlantic surface dispute argentina great britain barren wind swept falkland islands south georgia island reality called falklands crisis visible giant military operation month april fierce naval battles place south atlantic south pacific hostilities wraps wartime censorship sides words naval southern hemisphere surface beginning today april total naval blockade falklands royal navy begun time counterblockade declared argentina area effective blockade imposed period time royal navy time winter coming south atlantic british supply lines overextended majesty navy simply drop blockade sail weeks time drawing blood argentina result british forced undertake military operations matter risky reason royal navy choice engage argentine forces combat reason friends royal navy suffered losses secret combat month moment explain damage sustained british fleet publicly admitted fighting erupts british dare admit suffered battle losses obtain cover story british choice sail combat risking heavier losses sustained short friends majesty navy sailed trap events unfolding south atlantic carry strange ironic echoes past weeks hearing countless commentators referring british task force armada quote british people uneasy description original spanish armada years renowned seemingly invincible fighting force grief naval disaster complete changed history english navy destroyed spanish armada original spanish armada reign england queen elizabeth armada invasion fleet carrying thousands crack fighting invade england daring dogs francis drake drake small fast ships turned tables spanish armada changing rules battle english fleet equipped longer range guns stayed upwind reach english pounded smashed shattered ships mighty armada barely half spanish fleet left limp back port drake defeat spanish armada shock world opened door england queen elizabeth start expansion global empire today years history full circle queen elizabeth witnessing dismantling world empire heyday began queen elizabeth cultures england spain confrontation called armada preparing invasion time armada british spanish hundred years francis drake hero today ghost francis drake scene south atlantic zone eastern drake passage southern south america defeat spanish armada centuries broke back spain naval supremacy defeat british armada break back remains glorious royal navy special topics audio letter topic military secret south georgia island topic secret naval southern hemisphere topic rockefeller fear campaign nuclear topic falkland islands crisis began early month looked tempest teapot century half islands controlled great britain entire time british sovereignty falklands disputed argentina countless threats argentina seize islands calls malvinas threats past britain worried islands times distant argentina cuba united states prize years occupancy falklands home fewer british settlers sheep short remote falkland islands fight watching crisis place watching erupts great britain argentina thatcher government acting forgotten usual preoccupation soviet threat nato doorstep britain throwing argentina aircraft carriers cruisers destroyers submarines assault ships luxury cruise ships commissioned turned troop carriers overnight wave wave additional assault troops activated join fleet sailed ships submarines pulled station normal nato duty reinforce task force initial ship force grown steadily past weeks armada numbering thirds entire royal navy deployed south atlantic argentina watching people fight popular answer suggested major media vast deposits exist continental shelf argentina falklands years explain timing sudden military offensive argentina month explains argentine seizure south georgia island south georgia island miles east falklands deposits compared south georgia falklands island paradise south georgia island covered rugged mountains treacherous valleys glaciers semi permanent snow uninhabitable argentina absolutely legal historical claim south georgia island respect stands sharp contrast falklands early falklands occupied argentine colonists british expelled island historical reasons argentina argues falklands belong argentina britain argument south georgia island controlled britain argentina spain argentine seizure south georgia island unreasonable military point view argentina leaders military military terms aware ahead time south georgia island possibly held long seizing setting absorb military defeat island retaken britain question argentina military junta bother seemingly worthless south georgia island friends answers questions military political economic south georgia island possesses enormous military secret giant underground installation buried mountains northwest island real reason called falkland crisis secret installation similar installations describe shortly secret military complexes existence years accelerated nuclear timetable american bolshevik planners washington past months reporting details plan quickly obtain verify plan calls nuclear erupt september year fast approaching nuclear threat caused called falklands crisis erupt coordinated effort spoil part bolshevik grand strategy coming nuclear mutual enemies american bolsheviks rockefeller cartel russia rulers kremlin present crisis ruin phase project plan revealed month phase world domination american bolsheviks russia united states destroyed nuclear mentioned month plan existence secret weapons stockpiles places world american bolshevik military planners america working bolshevik agents military positions countries intend ride nuclear holocaust caused safe cozy government bunkers warring nations finally smoldering exhausted bolsheviks leave shattered remains host countries rendezvous secret weapons installations bring weapons open confront world remaining fresh date powerful military force earth military power undisputed rulers world plan plan pave world domination setting nuclear matter months rockefeller cartel russia anti bolshevik rulers working race time head bolshevik plan month mentioned bolsheviks benefitting preparations started rockefellers long years rockefellers dislodged prime movers united states government bolsheviks time united states government house divided torn internal power struggles rival bolshevik rockefeller factions united states dominated decades economically politically rockefeller brothers brothers launched long range plan world domination prong strategy half visible half secret long audio letter plan united states teeth secret appearing disarm gradually repeating details basic idea grandiose simple deliberately appearing weak rockefeller controlled united states maneuver nuclear russia secret weapons including superweapons unleashed smash russia world grand plan motion rockefeller brothers ahead nuclear late military analysts concluded early planned effects northern southern hemispheres superpowers united states soviet union located northern hemisphere full fledged nuclear powers great britain france china india contrast strategic targets nuclear southern hemisphere words expected coming nuclear essentially northern hemisphere nuclear holocaust radioactive fallout gradually spread affect areas initially limits clouds spread discovered long mixing northern southern hemispheres northern half planet cold north pole works southward equator works back north warm mirror image process takes southern half planet northern southern hemisphere meet equatorial zone places military conclusion friends coming nuclear ruin large areas northern hemisphere generations calculations southern hemisphere escape virtually unaffected music ears rockefeller brothers quick globe world shows rockefeller cartel dominated latin america world discussed monthly audio letter nelson rockefeller solidified cartel grip latin america accomplished called coordinator hemispheric defense president franklin roosevelt takes care south american continent natural resources african continent rockefeller control effect wide areas black africa south equator efforts john rockefeller detailed audio letter globe important remaining land masses standpoint world domination australia zealand world wide open rockefellers rockefeller brothers decided establish secret military installations southern hemisphere coming means expected masters surviving southern half planet earth northern hemisphere northern hemisphere gradually recovered nuclear holocaust rockefeller empire able pick pieces generation rockefeller brothers expected family dynasty inherit earth order control southern hemisphere militarily means project military power land mass revolts rockefeller domination require troops blast beam weapons moon critical factor postwar military domination world found navy minimum secret naval fleets required based south atlantic south pacific reserve naval fleets secret northern hemisphere nuclear built existing shipyards construction facilities built hidden hide entire shipyard small task space essential ships remain hidden built achieve combine shipyard naval base secret installation finally secret naval installation invulnerable nuclear attack existence discovered prematurely secret navy wiped combined requirements secrecy space protection attack formidable plans early stages development answer presented called banking trip sweden david rockefeller tour unique hidden naval port port hollowed solid granite cliffs water entrance port gigantic hole side cliff sealed enormous steel doors inside doorway water huge cavity hollowed accommodate ships rockefeller brothers military adviser decided bigger secret protected version swedish hidden port wanted survey candidate sites initiated site survey covered coastal areas southern hemisphere areas rejected quickly topography wrong areas rejected close equator ruled people living nearby making desired level secrecy impossible finally essential sites chosen secret naval installations totally secure politically sites secret naval installations selected south pacific extreme southern zealand selected alluding audio letter months called attention zealand extreme importance coming order obtain space secret zealand naval installation divided sites located close extreme southwest south island mountain range southern alps virtually water edge part installation built northwest stewart island south island stewart island facility hollowed rise anglem zealand location requirements world government zealand tied closer united states great britain location equator installations buried deep mountains protected nuclear attack deep reached particle beam attacks zealand site situated command entire south pacific south atlantic perfect site found site friends south georgia island located perfectly naval domination entire south atlantic tall rugged mountains provided perfect location secret installation northwest mile long island controlled great britain government zealand cooperate south georgia island virtually uninhabited whaling station northeast coast whaling station miles secret installation built britain chances whaling station closed time inhabitants south georgia island dozen alleged antarctic scientists construction secret naval facilities zealand south georgia island began early techniques adapted previously build large underground facilities norad installation inside cheyenne mountain colorado techniques adapted radically ways achieve construction access directly overland sheltering mountain left undisturbed appearance construction cuts mountain side ships small camouflaged swedish hidden naval port arrangement entrances secret installations sealed sealed entrance virtually impossible detect unlike large construction projects tailings piles leftover rock lying attract attention made caverns house secret naval installations enormous rock debris disposed secret naval facilities built outfitted ship construction docksite storage fake disarmament united states contributed greatly task played pivotal role elaborate rockefeller scheme secretary defense robert mcnamara mcnamara presided public paring back america visible military power included closing dismantling entire shipyards told shipyard equipment friends secret installations outfitted zealand south georgia island secret naval installations duplication facilities reproduce ships submarines designed built united states defense secretary caspar weinberger told congress recently cheaper build ships time true ship exact duplicate true recent years computerized manufacturing techniques secret naval fleets built secret installations made duplicates exact duplicates ships submarines nuclear powered nuclear subs nuclear cruisers nuclear destroyers nuclear aircraft carriers secret twin built nimitz eisenhower newly launched carl vincent financed gigantic cost overruns called constantly hear defense department carriers provided full complement aircraft manufacture financed ships secret american bolshevik naval fleets duplicates nuclear powered vessels secret naval ships possess difference month revealed called stealth program succeeded developing kind electromagnetic invisibility shield technique makes object invisible distance distorting light waves vicinity fleet phantom planes crash production principle friends secret american bolshevik navy ships outfitted similar stealth field equipment stealth principle easier apply ships airplanes room powerful equipment generates field nuclear secret stealth navy american bolsheviks light years ahead navy left earth perfect intended role world domination rockefellers motion long friends years lost control united states military american bolsheviks control bent secret naval installations precipitated called falklands crisis topic audio letter month project bolshevik phase strategy nuclear elite group american bolshevik military planners flushing plan secret room washington plan united states strike nuclear blow thermonuclear russia holocaust bolsheviks countries plan rise safe comfortable bunkers finally nuclear fizzles stalemate plan leave ashes united states allies activating phase grand strategy plan unveil secret weapons secret naval fleets plan conquer rule left world united states dead eyes bolsheviks outcome constitute victory nuclear timetable revealed months track shooting nuclear begin september year time fast running bolsheviks sprinting fast friends bolsheviks runners race deadly enemies equally determined trip bolsheviks enemy bolsheviks rockefeller cartel enemy anti bolshevik ruling clique russia mutual enemies bolsheviks pooling efforts ways audio letter months reported limited anti bolshevik coalition works rockefeller cartel russians january meeting haig gromyko geneva switzerland turning point formation coalition reality responsible called falkland crisis dominating headlines emphasized relationship rockefeller cartel russia falls short true alliance major disputes settled time called truce deal mutual deadly enemy bolsheviks america priority russians rockefellers slow bolshevik preparations imminent nuclear time side rockefeller cartel political movements discussed summer audio letter slow nuclear timetable give breathing space additional anti bolshevik actions implemented joint rockefeller russian planners decided february military action bolsheviks essential quickly type action hope taking effect fast prevent nuclear summer exact details project plan rockefellers russians general outlines month decided military action devised undermine phase bolshevik plan bolshevik controlled secret naval installations fleets southern hemisphere attacked crippled working rockefeller cartel russians able devise attack plan carried rockefeller group built originally controlled bases provided detailed intelligence attack russians enormous military machine provided muscle carry attack essential devise scheme enable secret fleets south atlantic south pacific attacked survival intact fleet leave bolshevik plan workable military analysts concluded quickly direct assault zealand facilities question combination commandos frogmen military force possibly attack secret world attack zealand bases rockefellers russians prevent situation south atlantic matter greatest asset south georgia island achilles heel extreme isolation protected secrecy south georgia base made covert military assault feasible argentina long standing claims falkland islands mentioned topic rockefeller cartel dominated latin america decades cartel operatives argentina work deal government military junta historic dispute falkland islands provide ruse military cover enable south georgia base attacked argentine generals told situation means told make clear inducement cooperate argentine leaders promised handsome rewards guaranteed shooting falkland islands remain argentine hands guarantee included promise covert military assistance needed royal navy bolster troubled argentine economy promised rockefeller cartel develop immense offshore reserves combined promises military glory financial rewards argentine military junta agreed plan march argentina carried joint attack plan group argentine scrap metal merchants things landed abandoned whaling station south georgia island supposedly dismantle buildings cart sell raised argentine flag work site british nervous south georgia island promptly reacted expected british antarctic survey ship endurance marines ashore drove scrap merchants tore argentine flag incident provided desired excuse argentine junta bring simmering year falklands dispute boil time time past argentina claimed south georgia part falklands administered britain argument flimsy handy hear argentine leaders hint afoot late march argentine military forces started assembling assault falklands thought british high command argentina carried threatening maneuvers past times believed april argentine forces unexpected past false alarms time invaded seized islands argentine public statements emphasized long standing historical claims falklands good measure small argentine force seized south georgia island force small gave appearance initially side show argentina point view small contingent royal marines overpowered bundled island group alleged scientists moment payoff joint rockefeller russian attack plan elaborate distraction staged argentine forces special commando team island undetected based detailed rockefeller information base team moved location mountain directly cavernous secret base special high speed drilling equipment rockefeller members team russian members concentrated military defense late evening april military high command london finally learned taking place secret south georgia base attack virtually means joint rockefeller russian team drilling shaft mountain hollowed cavern inside matter time drill break ceiling giant hidden naval base hole made step obvious rockefeller russian team weapon kind hole guess nerve shock waves highest levels british government evening april friends thatcher government called reagan administration america bolshevik controlled margaret thatcher time reagan administration russia governments party secret nuclear plan complete betrayal people respective countries evening april suddenly discovered precious plan deep deep trouble immediately thatcher government started assembling naval armada sail south atlantic haste order drilling south georgia island proceeding clock estimates drilling break roof naval base weeks april reach south georgia secret installation doomed forces stationed installation unable defend circumstances mighty naval ships ships bottle dare open bottle sail fight russian commandos armed tactical nuclear weapons open blast proof entrance doors suicide april days south georgia island seized naval ships began moving british ports lord carrington sacked foreign minister forced resign friends assisted rockefeller attack plan downplaying argentine attack preparations april zealand home secret naval fleet broke diplomatic relations argentina hidden zealand facilities alert precautionary measure submarines twin base ordered surface ships undergoing trials left major ships inside hidden twin naval base including nuclear aircraft carriers mentioned earlier busy april argentina foreign minister costa mendez united nations york alarmed deployment large part royal navy costa mendez hurried washington seek reassurances officials weeks news filled stories allegedly slow movement british fleet negotiations friends cover story royal navy joining moving rapidly south georgia island task force arrived time save secret base major battle official stories slow movement british armada intended give cushion time battle fleet days retake south georgia island move arrive falklands announced schedule crucial importance south georgia island hidden secret preserved initially expected advance elements british fleet reach vicinity south georgia island weeks attack joint rockefeller russian commando team stop drilling completed russian cosmospheres submarines made shambles plan advance elements south georgia attack contingent left ascension island early april days announced officially shortly trouble russian cosmospheres attack submarines closed single ship critical planned counterassault south georgia island cosmospheres bombarded bridge combat information center ship neutron radiation moments ship command communications radar silenced russian closed quickly finished british ship torpedoes broke secondary explosions sank rapidly survivors unexpected shock atlantic produced results important caused slowdown race south atlantic british armada task force regrouped configuration suited enroute defense cost valuable time public announcements london progress fleet reflected slowdown timetable arrival battle stations falklands started stretching longer longer bought extra time joint commando team south georgia island drilling continued result sinking equally important word flashed south pacific stealth navy prepare action obvious russian navy involved atlantic meant royal navy trouble dead night early april stealth ships twin secret bases southern zealand deployed secret operational headquarters area antipodes islands miles southeast zealand electromagnetic shields operating provide protection attack shields make impossible communicate world explained month arrived antipodes stealth ships hooked buoys equipped shielded communication cables island headquarters antipodes headquarters turn constant touch south georgia base transoceanic cable south america deployment ships south pacific stealth fleet joint rockefeller russian planners hoped ships flushed essentially invulnerable hiding place zealand british ship sinking april events april argentine navy started moving port alexander haig arrived buenos aires supposedly diplomat reality general dealing generals haig governmental operative rockefeller cartel revealed past making argentines cold feet back critical moment days april haig left washington boarded plane haig somberly told reporters time running friends secret south georgia base april drill broke hollowed cavern naval base bolshevik military analysts london expected completed weekend british fleet range weapon commando team inserted long hole small compact russian neutron bomb detonated inside confines huge artificial cave effects devastating intense radiation instantly killed inside base heat blast effects bomb believed damaged ships inside sufficiently badly disable russian cosmospheres submarines converging stealth ships antipodes islands awaiting orders distance ships invisible protective shields protect beam weapon attack sitting ducks tactics russians employed floating overhead cosmospheres located ships psychoenergetic range finding equipment reported past method jammed cosmospheres radioed exact locations ships attack submarines subs armed special homing nuclear torpedoes designed explode impact sophisticated torpedoes thrown detonated prematurely protective shield ship simple torpedoes cruise invisibility field strike ship explode minutes attack began bolshevik stealth ships bottom bolshevik commanders mercenary crews collected world south pacific action place sunset local time time washington april evening secretary state haig briefly public british foreign minister francis wearing artificial pseudo smile diplomats taught display public haig haig grinning joint rockefeller russian military operation brilliant success secret bolshevik south atlantic fleet virtually wiped bottled inside south georgia island south pacific fleet totally wiped badly crippled working rockefeller cartel russians secret naval southern hemisphere topic words news reports give impression erupt south atlantic real southern hemisphere watching beginning bloody aftermath aftermath battle falkland islands promised argentina reward role secret moment bolsheviks washington pressing public announcement united states side britain takes place military action heat fast falklands britain choice fight suffered casualties explained public battle fighting bolsheviks britain running risk humiliating tragic defeat royal navy rockefeller strategists concentrating fast building anti nuclear campaign sides hearing called nuclear freeze movement documentaries articles publicity kinds sensitize terrors nuclear recent months referenda popping election ballots dealing nuclear issue medical doctors banding warn public happen nuclear told popping spontaneously years nuclear gained momentum supposed millions americans spontaneously ideas time friends give movements develop leadership organization money plenty watching rockefeller public relations machine work explained past rockefeller cartel afford nuclear place lose position control deadly enemies rockefeller cartel bolsheviks rockefeller faction power prevent nuclear present anti nuclear orientation rockefeller cartel creates temporary common interests russia russia rulers spring great moral perspective part rockefeller group purely matter practical necessity rockefellers russians regard united states house divided exploiting division working careful ways rockefellers priority world deadly bolshevik menace suicidal nuclear reckoning rockefeller cartel rockefeller group working definite objective anti nuclear propaganda objective renewed power power moves closer dream world government bolsheviks unwittingly provided fertile ground powerful rockefeller antiwar campaign bolshevik control called reagan administration hawkish scaring people rockefeller antiwar campaign designed capitalize latent fear tool power days smell falklands crisis helping make intense rockefeller propaganda machine paving argument surrender sovereignty avoid super united nations sorts works fill bill teeth presently envisioned organization based geneva switzerland working changed world nonproliferation council plan bring outgrowth nuclear nonproliferation treaties true purpose fear fear control minute summary time minute summary audio letter reported reasons called falkland islands crisis crisis erupted secret bolshevik controlled naval installations southern hemisphere attacked joint action rockefeller cartel russians attempt slow nuclear timetable attacks successful results remain result royal navy drawn trap britain waterloo hand friends factions struggling control united states rockefeller cartel bolsheviks differ style seek control fear rise trickery power lord jesus christ hope scripture tells lord spirit fear power love sound mind learn wage peace lord declared long blessed peacemakers called sons month beter bless 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homosexuals organization rutgers univ brunswick lines views expressed theodore kaldis kaldis rutgers major university rutgers remus rutgers kaldis hold views 
concentrate child molesters article auvm mcartwr corp bronis vidugiris article chris bertholf writes mcartwr american martina cartwright writes official legal term rape crime forcing female submit sexual intercourse supply references aware states word female rape statutes surprised works practice nice fair unaware statutes applying females uniformly agree chris true figures rape based uniform crime report report female rapes states illinois tabluated refuse comply sexist definition worms crawl worms crawl worms post account liberal jurisdictions concerned essential elements rape gender neutral nonetheless decided provide number references support original argument black dictionary student lawyer friend defines rape unlawful sexual intercourse female consent unlawful knowledge woman forcibly model penal code statute proposed national conference commissioners uniform state laws organization adoption state legislatures defines rape male sexual intercourse female wife guilty rape compels submit force threat imminent death jurisdictions states statutes similar alabama code arkansas stat district columbia code georgia idaho idaho code maryland code mississippi miss code york check case penal north carolina stat puerto rico martina 
clinton press availability russian press organization project free software foundation mass cambridge lines nntp posting host life white house office press secretary vancouver british columbia release april press conference president russian press canada place vancouver british columbia questions presidents answer boris laughter president give answer give yeltsin answer laughter meeting presidents money promised government money naturally distributed government quarters businesses question russian businesses consulted priorities association russian businessmen existing invited participate setting priorities investment polls public polls america show americans enthusiastic giving newsweek polls percent approve york times published percent support prevents civil percent fosters democratic reform percent personally supports yeltsin sort handle problem americans enthusiastic question translation russian answers answers president answer question depends kind discussing funds financing businesses businesses apply good risks make application privatization fund support privatization existing public enterprises general funds democracy corps things people russia influence distribution regard question people countries feel warmly simply american government giving money russian government opposition russia country history opposition foreign kinds russia history america kind program unpopular american people program investment program investment future spent trillion trillion armaments soldiers investments cold democratic government russia newly independent states remainder working democracy struggling economies interest make democracy survive economy russia grow potential trade investment continue effort reduce nuclear weapons elements hostility sides side russian side program investment united states interest united states things announced today stage program hope week view things good country taxpayers workers country russia great nation partnership common endeavor people share goals great mistake view sort charity issue investment america wonderful investment investments risk risk greater potential return trillion spent barrier cold president coming talking memory living correspondents time american president russian press corps kind measured breakthrough questions introductory remarks press conference mentioned discussed start start issues reach agreement president yeltsin order ukraine join ratification start regime question confident united states congress eager support lifting jackson vanik restrictions inherited cold president clinton discussed issue ukraine regard start generally regard proceed independent states nuclear united states develop strong relationships thing increase willingness ukraine support direction successfully conclude negotiations highly enriched uranium provide important economic opportunity russia ukraine show reaching part agreed basically people signed lisbon protocol honor agreed continue press spent good deal time reassure ukraine leaders specifically president foreign minister strong ties ukraine united states good relationship ukraine order strengthen economy ukraine united states fully supportive commitment ratify start join regime critical question president regard jackson vanik cocom make points agreed republican democratic leaders congress return list legislative restrictions regulatory nature imposed relations united states russia legacies cold agree leadership congress regard jackson vanik openness change congress convinced fact refusniks people emigrate allowed fact designed affect desire regard cocom guess guess leadership congress advisers prefer sort phased movement cocom regime begin fairly future clinton read speech annapolis impression completely personal stress personal political approach russia compared approach bush formulate words difference personality approach difference approach russia approach bush made cite akhmatova part speech president compare president bush heart russia personally fascinated history music culture literature russia thrilled russian music student music years read major russian novelists poets ballet history soviet union soviet union issue presidential campaign spent week moscow return days yeltsin elected president time events closely hoping genuine partners personal feeling russia remember music moving experiences musician leonard bernstein york philharmonic moscow played shostakovich symphony russians played movement rapidly played technically difficult closely occurred things impact life hoped someday chance play role countries closer partners applause press 
clinton public schedule president organization project free software foundation mass cambridge lines nntp posting host life white house office press secretary release april public schedule president tuesday april president clinton delivers remarks egyptian president mubarek east room white house open press future schedule president april president clinton meets japanese prime minister miyazawa white house april president clinton meets italian president amato white house 
losers stop putting white males summary news software vnews keywords racism sexism mysogyny organization computer systems ingres product division lines article riggs army bill riggs writes article rochester tree schnopia writes michael nasa michael rivero writes white male white males class invented light bulb automobile airplane printing movable type photography computers electric guitar anasthesia rocket powered space flight computer electricity telephone motion pictures penecillin telescopes nylon machine glaring errors white males class individual white males invented things means white males neglected mention charles manson hitler mccarthy jack ripper bundy slew individuals horrible evil things white males credit fellow white males boons blame fellows blights claim deserve credit blame things white males wake realize unfair wake realize unfair back disgusting racist sexist learn treat fairly generalizing stupidity gene makes difficult world clue word missing discourse word word words word loser boil crap argument winning losing explain meantime guilt winning fear doesn deserve bounty success kinder gentler type politician days bill clinton affirmative action lots discourse people winning business kind talk mildly irritating suggestion losing fens answer plain horn rims face michael douglas posing loser controversial casting baggy short sleeved white shirt natural mike gordon gekko woody dressed expect gekko easy enjoy kind wardrobe putting fuss starting lose sight bashing fens game bashing poor african american slug clint eastwood blow time arch wasp male gender george scott declaimed americans traditionally love love winner tolerate loser talking theory opinion rebuttle personally love dogs unlike bandwagon jumpers abandon teams start winning people cheer winners winners insecure people afraid negative political implications simple socialists democrats society finite apportioned equitable worry winner loser side black women today asian homosexuals tommorrow white determined balance finally swung minority point agree reason people bash wasp long time oppress stay hannibal pushed rome victory cannae bashing blacks oppressing peacefull white people centuries doubt blacks conquered world treated colonies worse whites white race unspeakable things races world conquering race khan real question carry blame present generation participate crimes good bosnia good fighting wars stopped hundreds thousands years opinion inequities change blame ancestors settle winner longer popular graduate high school popular high school reunions beats nerd imagine michael douglas agree long dead wrong join side winning makes spineless winning high school high school popular make history loosing couple exceptions winning makes difference people good opinions people care winner beat fight inch bill moment bottom fell authur mind garrett johnson eyes turned inside feet began leak garrett head room folded flat spun shifted existence left sliding naval douglas adams 
clinton press briefing george stephanopoulos organization project free software foundation mass cambridge lines nntp posting host life white house office press secretary release april press briefing george stephanopolous briefing room stephanopoulos president amtrack camden yards throwing pitch marc maryland area transit amtrack stephanopoulos amtrack union station excuse george prepared break logjam senate stephanopoulos discussions senator mitchell senator dole morning president continue make point believes investment package jobs package passed quickly investment summer jobs immunization highway construction important programs people back work summer president continues program passed compromise question stephanopoulos discussions morning senate betwen senator mitchell senator dole president believes jobs program forward george president accept billion year apparently appears compromise offered stephanopoulos offered side senate discussions today matter republicans offered billion year stephanopoulos president believes program passed time listen senators able figures reasonable assume happened compromise order vote stephanopoulos republicans intrested stopping progress president jobs bill create stephanopoulos republicans interested stopping progress president jobs bill create real action real jobs summer american people question frustration legislative activity days compromise package stephanopoulos conversations senator mitchell senator dole morning prepared compromise stephanopoulos president prepared listen senator mitchell morning meeting senator dole feel defeated stephanopoulos fact successful beginning term stephanopoulos passed budget record time weeks budget reduces deficit billion years budget important investments future strong passage jobs program house simply minority republicans senate choose perpetuate gridlock hold action president jobs program sign succeeding beat fact stephanopoulos republicans stop action question george alleged notes boris yeltsin meetings appears president told boris yeltsin trust japanese stephanopoulos complete misreading happened meeting context conversation president clinton reassuring president yeltsin time conversations prime minister miyazawa kuril islands prime minister belief japan play constructive role process casual comment japanese courtesy etiquette context conversation reassuring president yeltsin believed japanese commitment process president japanese stephanopoulos exact words longer discussion lines believes issue prime minister miyazawa intends forward process attempts explain japanese apparently japanese press picked appears stephanopoulos reports japanese press situation context talk japanese understanding japanese points view problem diplomatic context clear things positive george specific comment made specific kuril island situation general observation japanese etiquette stephanopoulos discussion specific comment alleged translated russian notes japanese stephanopoulos combination sentence specific comment broad general observation specific finish sentence case believes prime minister miyazawa means commitment facetiously stephanopoulos casual observation diplomatic contacts made clear president message stephanopoulos president spoke secretary christopher made calls bigger deal making christopher make calls stephanopoulos reports vancouver secretary wanted make understood make absolutely stephanopoulos reports vancouver secretary wanted make understood make absolutely misunderstanding position japanese thing actualy stephanopoulos position japanese president stated president yeltsin days good conversation prime minister miazawa prior summit reiterated position long standing support japanese position kuril islands reiterated prime minister miazawa commitment move forward process play constructive role president yeltsin glad hear listening secretary christopher iraq days confused policy saddam hussein overturned stephanopoulos policy secretary christopher reiterated officials reiterated expect full complete unequivocal compliance resolutions compliance throwing iraq complies saddam stay office stephanopoulos judgment saddam hussein comply resolutions stay power important point expect compliance iraq resolutions continue demand concerned iran dominant power area stephanopoulos secretary christopher spoken iran days expect full iranian compliance international norms stopping support terrorism glib statement stay power complies resolutions logic base stephanopoulos saddam hussein complying resolutions respecting rights people required resolution fully complying resolutions inspections fully complying resolutions armaments comply power stephanopoulos power rests repression people stopped make difficult stay power george back stimulus package president accuse republicans playing pure politics perpetuating gridlock evidence genuine idealogical difference good faith stephanopoulos fact times past republicans leading fight filibuster supported funding seek stop highway funding george moderate republicans white house erred open plan sort proforma meeting white house senate republicans administration back thinks working stephanopoulos true meeting president republican leadership occasions introduction package entire senate republican caucus lunch continually contact republicans find interest president package interested program important continue fight democrats strategy miscalculate ability stephanopoulos question senate rules determined minority frustrate activity question stop action republicans rethink attempt things passed process rest summer work republicans republicans camp stephanopoulos continue support republicans president intiatives differently stiff republicans beginning made clear democratic majority republican votes tack votes stephanopoulos future understand turn legislative road president continue reach regrets handled plan approach dealing republicans congress based experience stephanopoulos president package passed quickly continue press continue reach republicans question continue reason find avenues cooperation case republicans chosen unify filibuster plan frustrate action plan move forward denied legislative means putting proposals forward stephanopoulos ideas stephanopoulos amendments defeated denied present stephanopoulos true votes passed parliamentary rules playing stephanopoulos majority support true george iraq administration backing iraqi opposition grooming leadership backing iraqi leadership stephanopoulos pressing iraqi compliance business grooming leadership contacts levels iraqi opposition groups recently jesse jackson president friend told kind town meeting kind involvement president empted ball game angeles kind intervention stephanopoulos president appointed commerce secretary brown days special envoy california coordiante cabinet activities california economic situation including situation angeles visits angeles education visits education secretary riley transportation secretary pena secretary cisneros visits cabinet officials days weeks rule possibility visit president clinton california situation closely concerned making make long term policy decisions create kind economic opportunities prevent disturbances continue watch george follow reverend jackson supposed ball park today baltimore group supporters protesting lack minorities baseball management president position stephanopoulos president received correspondence reverend jackson reverend jackson spoken white house chief staff mack mclarty raises questions progress baseball years president intends continue ball game today reverend jackson stephanopoulos president believes reverend jackson raised questions progress reverend jackson ball game stephanopoulos characterization reverend jackson talking informational pickett asked ball game long detailed formal letter outlining concerns situation major league baseball president read george orioles playing rangers managing partner rangers george bush meet president stephanopoulos mubarak schedule stephanopoulos president mubarak coming tomorrow morning working meeting lunch dinner tonight vice president gore joint statements tomorrow stephanopoulos evidence george egyptians warn potential terrorist bombing terrorist activities stephanopoulos reported york times president mubarak general conversations egyptians long period time general intelligence sharing president mubarak careful point specific information visit passed forward president continue investigate situation reiterates belief tolerate terrorism kind george make specific egyptians apparently issue specific warnings individual forgive individual forgive escapes moment egyptians rebuffed attempts kind action stephanopoulos agree characterization mubarak interview gave general warnings possibility network united states action specific information specific operation white house feel enforcement agencies received kind information derelict duty pursuing kind stephanopoulos serbia passing mention news conference yesterday stephanopoulos question agreement concerted action countries wasn stephanopoulos move forward today continuing discussions allies sanctions resolution continue ways press serbians negotiating table sign agreement george sanctions option serbians make clear leadership surviving fine feel wait administration officials evidence effect time bosnian serbs peace plan stephanopoulos moving forward sanctions discussions continue continue tighten noose serbia opportunity effect time lifting arms embargo stephanopoulos president consideration george hugh rodham condition stephanopoulos changed george week mubarak stephanopoulos unclear able tonight tomorrow morning mubarak visit easter stephanopoulos additional russia president plans congress stephanopoulos consulting congress partners couple weeks spoke evening congressman gephardt delegation congressional delegation meets russians week consultations continue weeks expect package magnitude announced sunday stephanopoulos discuss magnitude list cold restrictions stand stephanopoulos president yesterday list congress week reviewing believes week review list hard making white house involvement congress compiling list stephanopoulos talk congressional leaders compiling list able researchers working george lifting arms embargo probability possibility stephanopoulos discussion secretary christopher matter time months stephanopoulos president reviewing working allies sanctions resolution continue review matters george schedule week travel stephanopoulos asked tomorrow visit mubarak consultations george jewish american organizations jackson vanick stephanopoulos national conference soviet jewry list stephanopoulos national conference soviet jewry list refuseniks continue discussions 
clinton president remarks trip baltimore organization project free software foundation mass cambridge lines nntp posting host life white house office press secretary release april remarks president route camden yards orioles opening game marc train route camden yards president jesse jackson protest today president informational protest fine owners statement days step efforts increase minority ownership minority increases management encouraged baylor appointment colorado time make move front legitimate issue informational picket attempt people game good moving fast president good step movement issue deserves attention give reverend jackson highlight issue fine president logjam senate economic stimulus plan able break cloture president working classic article paper today papers pretty summed political power play senate majority rule country house minority chooses stop majority rule republican senators told people vote stimulus program enormous partisan political pressure means time jobs created economic recovery means political purposes deny jobs places baltimore dallas houston pittsburgh philadelphia portland seattle block grant program designed create jobs hurry based local priorities republicans championed democrat champions program people grassroots level governors senators real chosen exert minority muscle americans work mistake press 
waiting evidence cramer organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article mortal lowry writes article cramer clayton cramer writes article kima rational althoff writes article cramer clayton cramer writes constitute child molestations molesters unusually common unusually high numbers victims sort misses point means whichever case homosexual remarkably hazardous children clayton incorrect recent survey data find shows molestation exclusively homosexuals bisexual victims male female remainder exclusively heterosexual child molestations committed heterosexuals correlation cite bisexuals heterosexuals concludes homosexual molest children homosexual propensity molesting children homosexual child molester simply molestations homosexuals concerned creating relation evidence molestations committed homosexuals find relationship realtionship make shown nambla marches parades reason people molest human sexuality psych class overwhelming voice people commit acts power trips feel control sexual orientation power trip sexual orientation mortal clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
loathesome subject summary quote marks organization optilink access products lines article radow writes degree sensitivity awareness concerned horrendous amount child abuse exists country critical factor sexual activity forced child forced damage hand consensual relationships found positive experiences concerned radow rutgers cmcl panix north american love association packet sample quote marks legitimate concern words distorted context appropriated newspeak style reading comments excused assumed claiming child abuse forced sexual activity damage caused existant greatly overblown positive experiences paul elliott member good standing optilink mafia paul elliott optilink petaluma uunet pyramid tekbspa optilink elliott elliott indecisive 
wade distribution organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article margoli larry margolis writes ncsu doug holtsinger writes abortions destructive fetus permitted birth promote supreme court calls health doug wade prevents states prohibiting abortions preserve life health woman stupid people confuse discussion mental health related jane mental institution attempt claim argument applied woman decided wanted abortion hair facts trimester abortions performed country annually health reasons larry margolis margoli bitnet margoli internet hmm human gestation period weeks means trimester abortions weeks consulting world almanac abortions weeks abortions weeks number abortions performed dropped dramatically abortions weeks wrong wade allowed states adopt broad prohibitions trimester abortions states california declined reported finally stopped trimester elective abortions area hospital nurses doctors surprisingly area chapter terribly upset remain choice choicers compare abortion clinic religious ritual church start wondering life criticism abortion modern human sacrifice grain truth clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
consent child molestation organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article rogerk roger klorese article walsh mark walsh writes nambla presence pride parade parade organizers show support nambla fundamental misunderstanding rights responsibilities dozens examples nambla glaring exclusion perotistas pride parade make clue regard dozens examples mark walsh walsh uucp uunet optilink walsh amateur radio bigcookie uscf worry william gaines crush andre giant 
consent child molestation organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article radow writes walsh mark walsh writes noted nambla present parades nation view isolated event troubled reccurence hope hate involved discussion felt obliged things factually accurate year nambla marched pride parades boston york francisco time participated parades marched nambla contingent york year decade correcting error post information newspaper article fuzzy mind similar outcries nambla presence parades york boston liberation molestation mark north american micro biological laboratories association packet sample bulletin publications list membership information send postage note darndest things squelch desire flame living daylights beliefs associations genial phil mark walsh walsh uucp uunet optilink walsh amateur radio bigcookie uscf worry william gaines crush andre giant 
thought commercial advertising allowed distribution news software vishnepolsky rogers lines reply margoli larry margolis disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host netslip watson organization village waterbed matt matt freivald writes article talk politics misc margoli larry margolis writes suggest legal precedent defines human person rights protected constitution functioning brain legal precedent model penal code states base criminal code apologies unclear start statutory debate cases conflicting statutes books suggesting paradigm make sense choicer imho pointing legal precedent defines human referring born suggestion incorrect point unborn child human parents responsibilities parents children parent forced supply bodily resources children save child life confusion action inaction parent front save child life parent required feed children confusion bodily resources constitutes blood transfusions organ donations involve bodily resources examples larry margolis margoli bitnet margoli internet 
heterosexuals nntp posting host bolero reply starowl rahul header ignore ignore ignore ignore line organization service actuarial consulting lines kaldis rutgers theodore kaldis writes agreed folks admit michael adams starowl rahul champaign southeast thrush believes party system masters slaves napoleon solo 
reasons russians organization encore computer corporation nntp posting host sysgem encore lines julie nasa julie kangas writes article rcollins encore roger collins writes julie nasa julie kangas writes send russia conservatives nixon vocal giving money russia makes proud libertarian appears conservatives liberals prefer cold nurse enemy back health enemy sounds viewpoint stereotypical rednecked conservative commies enemy sarcastic interventionists suggest listen carefully stuff yeltsin people compare anti west slogans coming opponents russian congress back back forcing back point considered interventionist policy market reform happen russia private capital private risk economy incentive reason reform government enemies spend money hurt ideological point russia type government type rulers rule limit finances subsidizing wealthy countries japan germany free defense trade warring economic competition subsidizing tobacco farmers paying bureaucrats pursuade people smoke degenerate civil remember nuclear weapons russia imagine civil nationialists prevent civil feel back large parts land countries ukraine imagine ukraine giving land fight possibly nuclear affect planet vast tracks europe blown feel massive breakup country spans planet bound affects humanitarian argument democracies democracies struggling democracies billion gift important raised voluntarilly people give billion year charity pass prevent government stupid frivilous things money constitution supposed legitimate constitutional power federal government takes money paycheck needy countries opinions stupid russia strong space program champion welfare education studies drunken goldfish republic true democracy gridlock massive scale gridlock congressional scale gridlock scale russia expensive space programs national charity poor studies drunken goldfish limited government democratic decide stupid impose morals sort thing thought libertarians opinion libertarians free speech politics pretty libertarian issue impossible join party libertarians withdraw rest world sink swim pretty libertarian issue libertarian compromise money fellow russia aiders give russia oppose government machine steal money group support years people hundreds years beginnings global economy global decision making reason depend free market efficiently process information depend rulers decisions complex issues julie disclaimer opinions belong roger collins trusted government trusted government found angels forms kings govern history answer question thomas jefferson inaugural address 
concentrate child molesters quirke govt distribution world organization welligton city council public access nntp posting host kosmos govt lines cramer clayton cramer writes large part population supports discrimination homosexuals injured large part population supports discrimination passed addition anti discrimination laws includes homo bisexuality assume politicians listening people coming rational arguments variations bigotry logic prevails glad admitted sexual attraction children seperate sexual orientation honesty tony quirke wellington zealand quirke govt usenet herd performing elephants diarrhea massive difficult redirect inspiring entertaining source mind boggling amounts excrement expect gene spafford 
comments overheard secret service lounge organization unka phaed uucp thingy houston lines croaker uucp francis writes clinton assasinated make martyr deal term office disgrace watching liberal democrat friends staff nation toilet assuming riots fortnight ways things reagan bush riots bush dumped spotty years pope charles slack time popec jpunix william barwell unka phaed uucp thingy houston 
concentrate child molesters quirke govt organization welligton city council public access nntp posting host kosmos govt lines cramer clayton cramer writes liberal wilder vetoed shows liberals give damn person power play women interested clothes shopping whites imperialist colonial fascists blacks lazy uneducated scum rapists homosexuals support child molesting slogans dear cramer adequate substitute thought tony quirke wellington zealand quirke govt usenet herd performing elephants diarrhea massive difficult redirect inspiring entertaining source mind boggling amounts excrement expect gene spafford 
hate crimes laws nntp posting host teal organization colorado supernet lines uchicago frank writes article dmeier acns douglas meier writes article steveh steve hendricks writes article dmeier acns douglas meier writes beats homosexual charged assault battery bashing list sort double jeopardy fascist deter epidemic bashing deterred assault laws make beating homosexual illegal beating straight advocating hate crimes laws aimed motivations acts premeditated homicide treated stricter heat passion homicide trouble crimes violence hate crimes question hating gang member person hate differnt color realistic declare crimes hate worse crimes gross negligence random drive shootings hate crimes shooter shoots crowd double jeopardy single lead multiple charges multiple crimes meant current mutation constitution current police state charged multiple times victim question shade single merit charge bomb world trade center charged murder deaths extensive property damage bomb single heard today good chance york bombers means capital punishment double jepardy government murder sovereign essentially chance single fact pattern world trade center bombing bombers probability deaths property damages conspiracy discovered rodney king case sovereigns crime bruce hayden bhayden 
tieing abortion health reform clinton nuts organization university washington school class lines nntp posting host stein washington article writes vengeance deterrent serves deter executed future criminal activity yeah yeah yeah nice apply death penalty disproportionately minorities revisit opinion death penalty whites blacks hell freezes compare rates blacks whites commit crimes blacks commit crimes disproportionately perfectly fair penal system blacks disproportionately represented note black white crime rates racial thing economic thing poor people commit crimes blacks poor reduce proportion minorities prison increase wealth minorities smith 
government sanctions sacrilege news software vnews nntp posting host utarlg organization university texas arlington lines william december starr writes typical lawyer baiting fashion usual ignoring principle aclu good surely ring spin expletives left worth responding cyrus achy breaky heart infinitum koresh surrenders rest state texas totally depopulated effort heard folks live foghorns airports erect inverted cross star david broken asunder front davidians provoke boom islamic prayers worse temple destroy books burn kill clergy mock spirit innocent character creature state happy presidents government respect faith respect lives innocent children caught hell created respect lipservice rule rule respect religious faith part children line connection cult faith rules matter criminals criminals sides matter conviction worth abuse causing abuse specific concern children ignore children heap abuse insult sacrilege children inside davidian house rebuke learn directly lord corruption committing good time lord judge truth told send straight hell sending fuck rode stephen show legitimacy claim sovereignty stop ranting raving william december starr interesting respond emotionally defense government beating heart record biggest baddest goverment earth claims sovereignty hell omnipotency logically determines allowing sending thing mere human concepts bother flimsy facade logic waco proves needed demonstration government walk rules justice made problem noted announced record giving govern ment back worthwhile government concerns stephen 
clinton background briefing vancouver organization project free software foundation mass cambridge lines nntp posting host life white house office press secretary vancouver british columbia background briefing senior administration officials april canada place vancouver british columbia folks start background briefing package senior administration official good morning president president clinton president yeltsin agreed yesterday series american initiatives support economic political reform russia valued billion taking questions running basic outlines package make points maximum clinton administration funds support russian reform funds allocated appropriated congress administration back congress fund programs fiscal year funds effect programs begin tomorrow point package designed support russian reformers initiatives package directed reformers benefit worked prior consultation russian government president determined deliver commitments year package designed maximize ability support reform designing wanted avoid making commitments meet feel confident meet commitments front fourth note special importance trade investment fair russia capital technology decade extend hundreds billions dollars collection governments meet private sector president president yeltsin agreed make trade investment major priority relationship agreed joint commission energy space formed headed side vice president gore russian side prime minister chernomyrdin goal effort break barriers trade investment sides promote vastly expanded relationship helpful prepared page summary assistance give general background programs quickly glad questions group initiatives humanitarian food medical assistance part effort underway years provide basic humanitarian grant food assistance russian government assure minimal amount bread shelves major cities million grant food progress grant portion food progress continuing grant assistance medicines pharmaceutical supplies million item concessional food sales united states long term grain relationship russia important important russia continue relationship president chosen food progress program concessional loan program months million concessional terms exact terms worked fair grace period principal years concessional rates life deal program collection private sector support important things privatization creation small businesses number priority reform government moscow president decided create russian american enterprise fund capitalized year million goal fund make direct loans small businesses russia equity positions businesses president decided create privatization fund work directly russian government priority objective convert state enterprises state owned basis private basis agreed president agreed establish eurasia foundation private foundation prominent americans fund democratization projects russia fourth grouping summary page democratization fair administration impetus goal pursuing democratization russia total million programs programs detailed tables give indication programs launching president calling development democracy corps overarching umbrella group incorporate disparate private public efforts underway united states support reform russia program russian office resettlement initiative created conceptualized administration demonstration project work russian military resettle russian officers returning baltic states parts soviet union make work russian labor russian materials prefab american construction decided fund demonstration basis construction housing units working closely russian military long term commitment project sixth area energy environment issues president feels strongly initial efforts feasibility studies possibility enhancing energy production equally important leakages pipeline systems environmental damage talked trade investment group created vice president chair side secretary brown cochairing deputy prime minister shohkin business development committee work sectors economy break barriers exist impede trade investment appoint full time investment ombudsman american government work problem full time point make trade investment important draw analogy arms reductions thought needed make commitment government people work senior people full time basis terribly important notice united states support russia membership gatt russia observer status russia requested support fact requested advice member gatt long term goal drawing russia global economy paramount important goal supporting membership gatt supporting access generalized system preferences note extended million credit caterpillar deal siberia opic extended million credits loan guarantees conoco project emphasize close agreement russia united states billion framework facility bank finance russian purchases american equipment services important development april opening tokyo conference conference questions defer colleague review security assistance objectives senior administration official major unfinished agenda russians counterparts ukraine kazakhstan belarus area safe secure dismantlement nuclear arsenals territory terms start start agreements recently completed moscow important agreements devote significant chunk nunn lugar funding important programs program million strategic nuclear delivery vehicle dismantlement program submarines icbm dismantlement bomber dismantlement million million tranche funding construction facility store nuclear materials removed warheads dismantled essentially contribute design early phases construction storage facility finally million tranche money establishment monitoring system nuclear materials withdrawn weapons system million total extant nunn lugar assistance flowing million safety improvements kinds equipment safety measures working russians couple years area work russians ukrainians kazhaks belarussians belarus couple weeks received million funds safety security dismantlement programs belarussian territory wake ratification start agreement accede working hard parties lisbon protocols continue work hard recent agreements russia important step process opic funds field kazhakstan conoco signed deal kazhakstan feel feel senior administration official deal chevron signed deal kazhakstan tenges field investment project polar lights development renovation project announced today completely involved senior administration official conoco american companies searching ways things prospect siberia west siberia business renovating wells renovating pipelines russia objective advantage natural resources russia increase energy production turn increase hard currency revenues russia deal good development russia russians good american company american government played leading role pulling credit facility opic loan guarantee search renovate fields senior administration official point american companies expect administration support deals money billion senior administration official part government parts government pushing including state department white house deal consummated arrive agreement april billion financing american companies sell equipment sell services rest deals support opic sort deals conoco senior administration official tremendous amount interest part american companies invest russia facility billion facility concluded soak interest interest extend government respond current year budget costs billion agreement forward current year budget costs senior administration official refer details concessional food sales current year costs delayed years payments senior administration official concessional food sales food progress usda program usda funds back congress expend funds budget refer usda details talk democracy corps private sector folks involved senior administration official start democracy corps administration felt coming office literally thousands organization private organizations united states working goal achieve democratization russia helping farmer farmer basis literally government agencies variety programs area administration felt president felt important draw initiatives group give coherence efforts give impetus efforts presidential initiative headed ambassador simons duties coordinator assistance soviet union hopeful democracy corps draw resources government resources american private sector schools communities nation kind commitment kind word money appropriated million president talked senior administration official administration requesting additional funds million president weekend consult intensively yesterday president yeltsin additional measures united states areas support reform consulting congress returns washington consulting ally governments make decision time questions billion agricultural money thought sort consensus russia loans food decide explain agriculture stopped making loans food russia inability situation senior administration official united states long time major supplier grains food commodities agricultural products russia extended history billion credits credit guarantees commodity credit corporation principal vehicle ensure sale american grain products december year russian government stopped payments program arrears program united states continue program president working secretary espy officials cabinet looked ways promote american grain sales ways announced today million grant food assistance food progress program sufficient authority spend million grant food looked concessional loan program agrees russia short term loan program russia make sense long term concessional loan program program provide final details worked year grace period payments principal years life deal provide concessional rates interest generally percent russian government believes good deal avoid imperative early payments years continue important grain relationship important important american farm community gather make explicit russians failure interest loan affect kind loan senior administration official explicit prevented continuing commodity credit corporation short term credit program russia arrearages united states arrearages total million usda give exact figure consideration wanting preserve american market share long term grain relationship wanting respond specific request russian government major food assistance knowing grant programs sufficient authority looked food progress program great effect parts world consulted russian government arrived solution russians pleased food relief short term payments funds senior administration official food progress program program usda authority usda authority spend funds back congress funds make general point package billion package comprises funds allocated appropriated congress administration begin spend monies tomorrow important eyes expend funds year meet commitments confident able arrive figure million program range senior administration official reason reason russian government told amount grain needed harvest time idea begin shipments million month harvest autumn time russia require level food imports west imagine considerable envy jealousy part republics size scope russia consideration advancing negotiations kinds projects ukraine georgia republics senior administration official conscience fact interest extending american support countries soviet union told planned area technical assistance grant technical assistance roughly percent funding russia roughly percent countries area food sales active ukraine grant food assistance georgia armenia continue fair summit back programs countries ensure adequate productive hard hitting happened summit lead american energy companies companies russia user friendly terms taxing legalities bureaucracy senior administration official primary objectives coming summit highlight economic agenda trade investment refer point made beginning convinced talking problem problem support russia long term convinced collection western governments financial resources decade fuel continuation reform private sector society tremendous capability resources sector good match russians financial investment existing wells pipeline technology capital finance production russian government told made major emphasis trade investment prominent issue talks fact figured prominently night meeting president yeltsin president clinton hoping send strong signal american business community support efforts invest russia united states opec department commerce support question yeltsin position deliver making russia senior administration official note president yeltsin prime minister chernomyrdin worked years russian sector chair high level commission vice president vice president gore break barriers exist western investment sector commitment make committee important committee forward work type mechanism place administer private sector portion program directly involved tail distribution actual funds money simply turned russian government distribution senior administration official talking variety programs listed depends program cases working american pbos american government agencies ensure money spent money intended source obligation congress ensure money spent account money couple months intensively continue programs instance area grant food medical assistance grant food carried usda usda accounts delivery food grant medical assistance working project hope private organization housing instance resettlement russian officers working group american pbos democratization projects working directly russian private individuals private foundations working journalists russia media project noticed literally activities rubrics carried slightly ways directly russian government russian citizens jackson vanik restrictions remain cocom restrictions remain president senior administration official george noted yesterday president yeltsin raised irritants relationship president noted fair back government return washington questions back russian government prepared questions senior administration official prepared questions looked prepared make quick decision weekend require explain jackson vanik require consultation congress require consultation american jewish community sensitive concerns back talk action package designed congress point senior administration official beginning advantage package funds allocated appropriated congress administration back congress seek additional authority fund efforts effect begin tomorrow agencies responsible projects begin tomorrow advantage initiative president long term long haul thing members congress moment heading moscow talking congress suggesting president russia prepared congress things senior administration official clear president discussing weekend president yeltsin additional ideas american funding additional projects ideas major congressional delegation left night headed representative gephardt consult delegation members congress consult allies stands told repeatedly number items represent ways spending money appropriated tick items represents reprogramming spending money ways previously senior administration official projects congress allocated money freedom support funds left administration office ideas funds expended freedom support funds funds agency allocations opic usda creative ways programs food progress concessional loans brick wall type funding usda forward legally looked creative ensure continued american market share ensure continued grain sales found money russian officer resettlement senior administration official freedom support funds words money directly spent ways speak senior administration official grant projects general chart chart broken grant credits grants technical cooperation projects total million freedom support funding leftover funds fiscal year nunn lugar funds legislative history funds cooperation senior administration official exact figure considerable figure happened weekend break ukraine russia start start result happened senior administration official presidents president yeltsin president clinton discussing issue morning fact security arms control related issues morning session president clinton strongly reinforcing priority talking russians ukrainians couple weeks ways facilitate discussions point important negotiation essentially moscow kiev point essentially discussing ways contribute discussion move things forward essentially terms coming weekend couple hours follow financing robbing peter boris current year appropriations anyplace earmarked fund senior administration official smoke mirrors important point note page assistance numbers included year funding make long term commitment projects instance enterprise funds privatization effort housing effort talked russians long term commitment numbers bigger package wanted make point package funds president feels strongly past legacy western governments combination governments large budget figures number reasons able meet determined president determined carry single program package longer term commitment part discussions economics weekend russian ideas effectively support reform told commitment programs fiscal year senior administration official haven question reprogrammed funds countries programs russia answer terms funding monies left simply find creative find money fact support theory senior administration official grain sales commodity credit corporation credit guarantee program short term loans russia back months russia debt problem russia unable meet commitments looked things meet russia requirement grain grain importer massive scale meet objective making american farmers chance sell products russia simply finance legislative authority program successful areas soviet union thought bush clinton package russia funds derived initiatives forward president bush senior administration official fair characterization funds appropriated congress administration office inherited obligations bush administration made long week review program decided meet commitments made previous administration funding enterprise fund idea idea filled program number attached grouping projects make coherent privatization effort clinton initiative listened russian government listened russian military told resettlement officers important political economic social reasons president clinton responded making long term commitment demonstration project figure settle officers president impetus agencies broadly democratization experience comparative advantage lends russian experience calling creation democracy corps initiative hopeful resources private sector american government achieve objective characterize career civil servant administration familiar administration characterize clinton assistance package russia criticism past people ombudsman guarantee money disappear administered russian government senior administration official president senior officials government concerned american money spent wisely source intended intended great care state department great care making funds expended properly reaching source package simply package support solely russian government projects democratization exchanges worked directly russian private individuals businesses private enterprise support senior administration official word point regard related programs area closely consideration russian firms subcontracting kinds programs working closely american firms prime contractors fine imaginative flexible approach funding grassroots level ground russia time ensuring spent efficiently purposes intended democracy corps start happening ground senior administration official president today calling creation democracy corps fair work framework couple weeks ambassador simons takes duties effect started couple weeks administration begun reach people private sector facilitate activities russia helpful kind coordinate effective activities government agencies active russia makes sense draw focus efforts excuse billion spent united states american made goods senior administration official figures work couple days figure larger figure press program grow yesterday result discussions mark senior administration official press mark package president clinton work weeks package briefed intensively contributed intellectual leadership package contributed ideas package fair rough package worked weeks refining spent couple days week russian government embassy washington government moscow embassy evolving package weeks yeltsin input talk president wanted yeltsin views specifically needed years senior administration official president yeltsin occasions told instance support creation private businesses important resettlement russian military officers important foremost effort privatize state industries important make centerpiece technical assistance part package listened privatization effort working russian government months work details russian government programs involved step part question president weekend talk broader initiatives undertake ideas president brought ideas table instance energy environment housing russian ideas consult congress consult allied governments active essentially happened half measurably altered package senior administration official package worked ready weeks consulted russian government final stages development weekend primarily talked future united states western countries support reform russia base objective noticed money appropriated train bankers businessmen officers training workers displaced privatization senior administration official program train russian young russians banking financial services united states part housing initiative build housing units retrain russian officers retiring professions money training workers jobs disappearing privatization senior administration official allocated money million build housing units money unit western dollar soviet union senior administration official housing building framework house utilities purchase land sewage electricity retraining retired officer coming riga tallin vilnius house western russia obligation retrain officers responding request russian government million retrain senior administration official talking apartment buildings single senior administration official talking single individual dwellings families served senior administration official thought pointed earlier demonstration project experience germans turks italians building housing western russian leap huge amount money work couple months figure american organizations private sector noted long term commitment expect money future wisely spend money wisely program convinces protect russia reforms russia position back money supposed back debt problem senior administration official important note united states capability fuel continuation russian reform collective western effort allies russians decide fate reform simply play role feel obligation consistent national interests president contribution create security prosperity united states program senior administration official back fundamental objective policy russia support continuation reform convinced reformers stay power able continue drawdown nuclear forces foreign policy cooperation economic interaction benefits united states reform russia simple question program answer long term question make long term commitment question russia ability repay convinces able years senior administration official russian government made commitment repay hoping reform continues continue improve sector earn additional hard currency revenues russia position years back loans substantial government government loan russians senior administration official answer authoritatively back years years previous financed grain exports ensure private bank loans type effort government loans sector recall senior administration official fair unique effort 
supply side economic policy david stockman nntp posting host solomon technet organization technet singapore distribution lines article ashish arora writes excerpts netnews econ supply side economic boomer wrig deficits declined reaching spending hike reversed trend brett true details appreciated sadly true primary reason essence details seeking grahm rudman budget controls working fact working feds start cutting pork bush democrats budget summit replaced grahm rudman historic grand compromise bush consented raise taxes exchange caps spending increases turned taxes killed reagan expansion caps spending increases dispelled clinton president create plan increases result clinton hopes reduce deficit level reagan left office chew awhile 
damn furriners organization university waterloo lines article kaldis rutgers theodore kaldis writes article hess digex paul hess writes drag problems home abroad rank balderdash america reputation abroad tarnished feckless pusillanimous cowards apparently requisite gonads stand american honor dignity ridiculous kaldis suggest give ugly american concept easily demonstrating good hard american necessarally incredibly arrogant american necessarily stick program moving dear fifties mccarthy blacklists spent time provinces canada refreshing spend time people full arrogant nationalism empty patriotism problem canadians stand certitude mother teach generalize canadian stand things certitude canadians great deal pride provinces country blinded flags ideals americans bereft ideals explain world reknowned record american crime rate clear hasn angered words felt intrude pipsqueak mouse intrude courage convictions hell convictions start kind manly dignity sheesh remarkable audacity misguidance courage simple loud mouthedness coupled unrestrained bragging introduce sympathy wealth taste devil long long years laibach stolen soul faith remixes 
stop putting white males organization city university york lines baba duane hentrich walc white aryan lapsed catholic baba duane hentrich baba record objecting hentrich calling aryan word aryan sanskrit origin occurs hindu scripture rigveda tribal term connotations good character connotations explicit sayings buddha called religion eightfold aryan path word borrowed german scholar mueller synonym indo european nazis proceeded steal started pretending aryan synonymous nordic highly people originally called aryas iranians noprth indians afghans possibly kurds nordic word westerners meant apparent good humor case nontheless inappropriate westerners claim call aryans descent celts shipped called aryaman mentioned rigveda check mallory book search indo europeans encyclopedia britannica reason usage offensive ancient indian literature religion directly inderectly aryans westerners butt nice mention horrible things germans jews word germans clear claim rohit parikh 
celebrate liberty organization center communications research lines distribution nntp posting host tang reply waldrop fidonet message rich thompson posts blather libertarian party august sept wanted winning elections pray libertarians winning elections robert mcgwier center communications research interests amateur radio astronomy golf princeton asst scoutmaster troop hightstown 
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comments overheard secret service lounge lines reply hallam desy organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron experiment zeus hera article dtcc rahe writes article ajteel colorado teel writes losing humor break funny list sarcastic insulting forward lists sabatical ajteel colorado working lots complaints funny coming funny bothering ignore year child funny trick funny repeat pretend funny older expect realise thing funny basicaly fails amusing crass make jokes political content attempting ridicule target calling slick willie funny nose good debating point spur moment months demonstrates user original tradition retired colnels bore dinner guests rigid descriptions campagns type people fails joke spent phill hallam baker 
debating special hate crimes laws homosexuals organization eskimo north eskimo lines article wdstarr william december starr writes beats homosexual charged assault battery bashing list sort double jeopardy fascist douglas meier assuming questions rhetorical answers deter epidemic bashing deterred assault laws double jeopardy single lead multiple charges multiple crimes leave personal insult potential doug created question concentrate legal political debate point single lead multiple independent charges side note prohibition double jeopardy mandates suspect charges time trial government pull separate sovereignties crock lapd cops arrested rodney king person acquitted state court federal charges arising double jeopardy apparently courts agree note laws agree passed protect class people justice state courts specifically civil rights workers missisippi federal protection individual rights supersedes feasance state similar long traditional queer beat gays pays money takes pick lean strongly argument treat equals realities lead true equality fact lead times greater inequality nonetheless true equality laws treat people equal true equality definition impossible laws mandate unequal treatment classes people state william december starr anatole france impartial majesty forbids rich poor sleeping bridges equality construed number ways fact property thefts punished equally inequality protects money stolen easily define equality regard property terms significance owner form equality skewed poorer people fact anti bashing laws constructed offer equal protection make offense damage people based motivation hatred sexual orientation impartial majesty protects hets gays bashed great relief douglas meier nick nussbaum nickn seattle 
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thought commercial advertising allowed organization distribution lines article matt matt freivald writes article talk politics misc decay dean kaflowitz article matt matt freivald writes unborn child human point pregnency opinion points pregnancy human define human answer question parallel person color human define human answer irrelevant question person color human human begged question responding inject notion race discussion muddy waters adding insight parallel question polydactyl person human answered human suggest legal precedent defines human person rights protected constitution functioning brain cite precedents basis definition removal extraordinary means sustaining life cases brain death lead conclusion defines human defined human tenuous fashion person rights protected constitution answer question refer wade subsequent supreme court decisions define extent fetus protected constitution judges concurred slavery violation human rights answer question drag irrelevancies definition human depend vagaries holds solid rule provide suggest blind faith hold shoe foot brain life death paradigm suggest consistent legal definitions matter unborn child rights point lost irrelevancies larry margolis pointed made special exceptions order include fetuses follow version human pointed brain death means determining rights living died significant difference wondering argument failed feel drag irrelevancies leave thread started answers questions began baiting recall made ridiculous remarks adrienne regard corrected changed subject remarks discussion substance wanted discussion substance disregard logic substance order toss silly accussations matter matters define human seek substance convince logical person rightness position apply logic show meaning words mother kill womb passed birth canal woman object threatens health confines body removed side argument give rights fetus granted adult human occupying body reason means reason means irrelevant able remove removed removal required demise reason removal effected examining hypothetical thought experiment examine real rare situation siamese twins siamese twin surgically removed knowing death barring emergency murder support assertion analogy completely inapplicable siamese twins equal claim body parts common establishes equal claim assertion matter kill equal claim motor control establish superior claim point sacrificed depending chance survival analogy fails precedence possession makes difference woman womb indisputably ignore statement grant rights fetus granted born human inconvenience life granted adult humans sense foetus point prior birth siamese twins separated womb assert siamese twins true stated valid analogy exists birth freivald entire argument failure interesting combine essentially orthogonal concepts point murder siamese twin kill status physiological dependence interdependence cite precedent basis ruling difficult siamese twin kill inside womb doubt case made premeditation neglegence note phrase post simply assert things support analogy accurate assertions unsupported size murder siamese twin kill womb equal arguments idea illogical siamese twin kill womb kill systems dependent life struggling analagous failing situation perfect comparison siamese twin deliberately initiates oppression coersion case unborn child statement total sequitur comparison worse give credit assertion stand plan reasoned argument argument fantasy island comparison total failure demonstrated basis reality legally medically assert perfect comparison impossible coercion oppression ridiculous give analogy credit failure hand start real hypothetical situation siamese twins murdering womb coercing oppressing womb reality situation describe matches version decisions made twin lives dies situations survive difference equal claim organs claim unequal asserting fetus claim woman womb fetus born claim reason assert claim parent choose responsibility child laws penalties child abandonment question irrelevant sequitur establish relevance sense point unborn child human parents responsibilities parents children relevance established sense point ignore significant difference fetus born child dependence born child transferred party fetus born child live body human fetus representing potential actual harm body case talk abortion participants suffers epilepsy pregnancy represents significant health risk case woman chose continue pregnancy spent entire pregnancy confined wheelchair suffering great pain constriction nerve argument argument abortion generally argument abortion time pregnancy quest common ground choice people spoken person abortion activists concede child life point supersedes mother rights life case emotionally charged issues activists outlook mainstream answered question situations analagous dependence born child transferred instantaneously takes time effort incidentally choice side arguing government make easy parents abandon children state avoid question dependence transferred slow anecdotal evidence real human tragedy ample sides hate position mother daughter lost botched abortion attempt hate gunn children murdered religious life fanatic stay relevant kindest thing responses result mish mash negligible clever comeback congratulate readiness article talk politics misc decay dean kaflowitz writes ground covered post deleted point unborn child human parents responsibilities parents children parent forced supply bodily resources children save child life make painfully clear obligated donate kidney save child life confusion action deliberately taking life child inaction refusing front save child happened claim bodily organs life stake parent indisputable kidney previously parent standards situations spell meaning subtle case recognize difference fetus born child born child abandoned fetus case recognize significant difference fetus born child lives stake ways action inaction irrelevant principle wrong inaction numerous women post borne children inactive pregnancy healthy live child woman hang chooses plays volleyball drinks parties friends behaves differently provision resources fetus voluntary beating heart inactive dean kaflowitz 
thought commercial advertising allowed organization distribution lines article matt matt freivald writes article talk politics misc margoli larry margolis writes suggest legal precedent defines human person rights protected constitution functioning brain legal precedent model penal code states base criminal code apologies unclear start statutory debate cases conflicting statutes books suggesting paradigm make sense choicer imho cite conflicting statutes making assertions supported speaking statutes conflict definition larry posted delete code larry posted model penal code made perfect sense confused definition fetus human lifers choicers pretty clear legal medical concept brain death brain death method deciding person legally dead analogous concept brain birth coined object paradigm make treatment human life statutorily consistent circular arguments consistent parent choose responsibility child laws penalties child abandonment question irrelevant sequitur establish relevance sense point unborn child human parents responsibilities parents children parent forced supply bodily resources children save child life confusion action inaction parent front save child life parent required feed children desire consistency disappears suit principle protecting life abandoned based action versus inaction principle suddenly recognize claim bodily resources dependent circumstances principle life conevnient principle matt dean kaflowitz 
comments overheard secret service lounge organization delaware technical community college lines nntp posting host hobbes dtcc article hallam desy writes article dtcc rahe writes tradition retired colnels bore dinner guests rigid descriptions campagns type people fails joke spent authorized laugh special dispensation hillariness offer void prohibited consumer applicable sales rahe delaware tech comm college aids drugs abortion internet dtcc liberals kill genie rahe save whales kill babies 
hard times investments subject article usenet prvpu reply freenet broward horne organization case western reserve university cleveland lines nntp posting host hela cwru previous article riggs army bill riggs wave theory believes horses telling inflation coming back lock fixed rate mortgage government pals inclined agree money invest foreign currency knew checking foreign currency newsgroup thinking realize direction headed sigh speculators learn speculator thing bust california real estate 
responses lists organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet broward horne nntp posting host hela cwru previous article mconners ohio state michael conners article roby udel scott roby write real question feds bail steve jobs chrysler important manufacturing jobs lost real question feds bail chrysler important manufacturing jobs lost part jobs bill 
haiti aids immigrants organization purdue university engineering computer network distribution lines case missed news haitians tested positive held base cuba flown judge ruled receive medical treatment returned place receive guess folks taxpayers pick expected people contributed dime society government priorities screwed haitians removing illegal government giving development make sense waste resources dying citizens productive country make sense resources applied plain poor people haiti significantly people haiti aids infected citizen immigrant 
debating special hate crimes laws organization northeastern class lines nntp posting host reply uchicago article uchicago sort separate treatment place equal society solution fact classes vulnerable attack discrimination response imbalances criminal activity citizen protection allocate enforcement resources efficiently effectively deal problems rewrite wdstarr feel increased penalties killing policeman federal employee scalia stevens increased penalties threatening president assuming good people oppose marital exemption rape bring order questions oppose oppose oppose topic discussion hand discussing concept criminal laws crimes classes people laws mandate enhanced penalties conviction based convict attitudes class membership victim category category classes mind standard civil rights discussion classes based race gender ethnicity religion sexual orientation classes based profession personal characteristics caught guard question scratch finally decided recognize classes formally officially declare people worth anathema underlying american concept equal treatment year federal crime bill consideration expanded federal death penalty additional fifty crimes including murder federal officers hitherto protected aura deterrence critics pointed absurdity laws made death penalty murder federal postal inspector ther murder civilian teacher arguably provided valueable service greater loss society emotionally compelling argument proponents viewpoint appeared tacitly assume state judge lives valuable basis contribution society view doctrine personally repugnant repugnant equal protection clause amendment laws give profession based class people special protection mechanism supplying stronger statutory deterrence crimes members class police officers federal officers high ranking members executive branch federal government william december starr 
mail hill organization merrimack college andover lines clinton mail wondering congress line address reach bill mail address mail regualar reader newsgrouop 
government mandated energy conservation unnecessary wastful study finds organization department computer science university toronto lines article ipser technet ipser writes government mandated energy conservation unnecessary wastful study finds agree post point directed standards living population densities industrial structures controlled united states energy efficient japan energy efficient group nations controlled usage energy efficiency countries turns identical population density reduce energy transportation surely concentrate population dense urban areas disadvantages possibly relating energy fact japan forced nature country people unable sufficient motive conserve energy radford neal 
damn ferigner organization rutgers univ brunswick lines article mcgill writes mark anthony young americans special legal status based mere accident birth people born president parliament theoretically replace queen ferigner dimension restictive birth privileges theoretical note ferigner william imported holland kick local james provided basis denoument film introduced errol flynn world love interest olivia havilland flynn films exercise movie buffs film exercise movie buffs films views expressed theodore kaldis kaldis rutgers major university rutgers remus rutgers kaldis hold views 
stop putting white males nntp posting host vaxb reply organization rochester institute technology lines late reply tirade inaapropriate board called great things white male contributed society means mass genocide theft ideas cultures creating perptration historical lies throughouttime horrible activities culture upside downside white male extremely ignorant qualify disregard western culture things actively classify things good worthy unworthy slavery manipulation destruction american indians civilization selfish acts benefit group people women respected regarded equal stuff white specific cases wack wack conceptions world serve purpose david koresh history shortsighted excuse predjudiced ignorance white associate withbeing culture ignorant arrogant assume position manipulate mislead people hmm history books history written glorify exploits white find lies aww board continue discussion mail compare contrast ideas conflict educational communcation good worth apologize thought prompted response found dave lewis frisky hands 
supply side revenue distribution lines article ipser technet ipser writes result clinton hopes reduce deficit level reagan left office amount bush congress added inconsiderable achievement subject supply side claim reducing taxes raised revenue false typically factor socsec taxes raised considerable amount time income taxes income revenue fell cuts began recover years record deficits entrenched chew awhile crunch crunch steve soar 
formal rebuttal presumption jurisdiction organization emory university atlanta lines newsreader kaldis rutgers theodore kaldis writes article uchicago frank writes breathing clean provided government regulations beat heard mouthful mindset frank statists argue address substance statist politically correct bill 
supply side economic policy article desire organization acme products lines article pcollac pyramid paul collacchi writes article ashish ashish arora writes excerpts netnews econ supply side economic boomer wrig deficits declined reaching spending hike reversed trend brett true details appreciated cheers brett posted data previously declined remember percent increase deficit growth rate growth deficit derivative total deficit respect time decreased define derivative debt time asked disappeared deficits numbers posted previous posting brett apparently numbed thinking deficit declined cute paul numbers foolish spending earn deficit growing paul confusing deficit debt borrowing lesser rate borrowed previously deficit increases decrease deficits income exceeds spending difference debts terms universally accepted measure deficits rigorous economists arguments brilliant confirmed data common sense boom government policy supply side policy taxes economic activities people economic activity semantics lindsey proves taxes make people change economic activities debate bullet person killing explained watching population waves roll years create cycles made models predictions years middle century neat accurate gentleman praise lindsey brett passionate vested interest disguised intellectual conviction sean casey white plague frank herbert 
supply side economic policy david stockman article desire distribution organization acme products lines article ashish arora writes excerpts netnews econ supply side economic boomer wrig deficits declined reaching spending hike reversed trend brett true details appreciated billions dollars year receipts outlays deficit debt unempl admin carter carter carter carter reagan reagan reagan reagan reagan reagan reagan reagan bush bush bush source statistical abstract version american almanac version universal almanac version information almanac version graphically deficits ironically bush frozen spending taxes pledge balanced budget brett passionate vested interest disguised intellectual conviction sean casey white plague frank herbert 
loathesome subject organization panix public access unix lines carlos nasa carlos carrion writes article radow writes imply relationships youth adults exploitative abusive critical factor sexual activity forced activity consensually agreed freely engaged people involved child forced damage hand wholeheartedly agree consensual relationships found positive experiences concerned find hard care convince carlos check scientific research area convince research world issue coercion critical factor interested research topic suggest england constantine united states sandfort netherlands sandfort research quotes boys involved relationships children findings perspectives larry constantine floyd martinson brown boston boys contacts theo sandfort global academic publishers elmhurst york perspectives paedophilia brian taylor batsford academic educational london paedophilia factual report frits bernard enclave rotterdam netherlands sexual experience boys parker rossman maurice temple smith middlesex great britain children sexual encounters adults west woodhouse gerald duckworth london liberation radow rutgers cmcl panix north american love association packet sample bulletin publications list membership information send postage nambla info dept midtown station 
hard times investments subject article news organization supercomp ncsa university illinois lines originator acheng ncsa uiuc article riggs army bill riggs writes mother grew germany money started real estate developer raises horses telling inflation coming back lock fixed rate mortgage time hard bank selectively call mortgage loans early bank folds creditors call loans 
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news missed sgoldste fogbound child organization university southern california angeles nntp posting host aludra lines jack schmidling writes article sgoldste fogbound child writes jack schmidling writes article babb scott babb writes jack schmidling wrote jonathan cook writes restrict condemnation racial strife israel situations bosnia tibet china merit comment aware close billion dollars exaggerate notice offer alternative number size year american taxpayers israel dollar star milky galaxy number admit hard data compile commented list grants repaid loans direct interested give references congressional budget authorization hearings happy post verification data hand sufficient time month results delayed interested samuel mossad special agent media spiking mind control division angeles offices pratice safe signature prevent dangerous signature virii guildenstern names shouted dawn message summons moment beginning missed 
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hilter homosexuals organization netcom line communication services guest lines cramer clayton cramer writes erics eric smith writes gsmith heidelberg gene smith writes people voted hitler reich chancellor good part bully boys attack communists hitler reich chancellor people voted meant imply thought bring hitler chancellor people voted political party huge difference parliamentary system statement common misconception true german weimar system chancellor necessarily leader largest reichstag party chancellor appointed president generally leader coalition parties form effective majority reichstag implication hitler rose chancellorship majority germans wanted nazi rule false president hindenburg appointed hitler chancellor january german people show desire hitler nazi party results march election president closest hitler direct election hindenburg hitler thaelmann duesterberg runoff election april results hindenburg hitler thaelmann hitler personally supported german voters similarly nazi party received vote reichstag elections occurred july november election nazis lost million votes seats reichstag comparitively socialists communists communists gained seats german national party supported previous government picked million nazis lost votes gain seats large party catholic center party seats declining numerous small parties nazi vote decline time hitler appointed chancellor brought hitler power demand german people hitler nazis things inability parties differences favor forming effective government country germany enduring democratic tradition parliamentary system lacked effective center parties favored interests majority population number small parties unable specific objectives order combine nazis democratic process fact part problem parties substantial representation communists democratic process results mind generally mind parliamentary democracy germany nazi chancellor majority coalition months nazis largest reichstag party danger revolution favor nazis nazis starting desperate failed support make hitler president popular vote begun decline hitler hindenburg choice chancellor choice papen chancellor june november election nazis lost seats hindenburg prevailed papen remain chancellor intrigues back support lacking hindenburg turned schleicher chancellor months eventually unable hold working coalition parties oppose nazis refused participate government nazi chancellor nazi leadership gregor strasser party time wanted participate coalition government knowing party support waning figured hope gain power undermining democratic process country governed months chancellors nazis nazis largest reichstag party failure achieve working coalition inability coalition parties work william shirer puts rise fall reich cardinal error germans opposed nazism failure unite crest popular strength july national socialists attained percent vote percent german people expressed opposition hitler divided shortsighted combine common danger overwhelm united temporarily stamp true german people supported hitler chancellor change fact overwhelming support power german people crying hitler matter economic conditions leftist parties socialists communists support total nazis hitler fact passively actively government paralyzed means taking eric smith erics erics 
economic stimulus pork organization bell northern research research triangle park lines article steveh steve hendricks writes fact list clinton package presently proposed includes variety recommended spending areas dollar amounts include line line list project funded congress include line items bill passes likewise prohibit spending specific projects amendments bill amendments positive negative pointed propose line item veto enhanced recision power president billion package form block grants states localities asked enlightened making claims part program block grants states cities mayors list relivent suggest contacting local officials reading newspaper good coverage congress washington post times paying attention issues copies congressional quarterly library representative mailing list congressional record free prepared invest time effort takes watch evening news read local paper scarasm deserve sacrasm contact local officals congress senators watch evening news news programs span addition cherry picking mayors list congressional republicans selected list projects variety federal agencies based apparently silly names projects sounded bothered correlate potential expenditure agency clinton bill potential project agency clear effort make clinton potential expenditures linked projects absurd names equivalent tactics democrats reagan bush fact primetime numberous reposts waste programs exist truely intrested eliminating debt remove deficit pork realize tempting government hands clowns dishonest simplistic analysis advance public education books written waste network news programs time time devote segments bills proposed significantly reduces expenditures touching external programs changing congress business make efficent true blame easy spending money clinton platform raise taxes middle class programs proposed program specific counts hikes edwards bell northern research research triangle park email opinions necessarily reflect views employer workers family friends congress president call pretty busy chelsea clinton 
comments overheard secret service lounge mark mark sachs organization leader desslok school diplomacy lines article croaker uucp francis president united states william jefferson clinton deal term office disgrace watching liberal democrat friends staff nation toilet surely democrats destroy beloved country party trivial political advantage petty pettiness extend senate noticed bush president hoping praying wise stand decent mess small price suffering term republican control similarily hoping praying clinton good propose destroy moon neatly solving problem blood pressure mark sachs disclaimer knew opinions charge 
reasons russians nntp posting host eddie nasa organization propulsion laboratory pasadena lines article rcollins roger collins writes julie nasa julie kangas writes suggest listen carefully stuff yeltsin people compare anti west slogans coming opponents russian congress back back forcing back point backed strongly early doubt problem russians disillusioned democracy reforms felt rightly west care yeltsin virtually promised massive bush gorby mania dismantling congress calling elections make proper places anti reformers gaining strength hiding considered interventionist policy market reform happen russia private capital private risk economy incentive reason reform government enemies spend money hurt reform giving money important interventionist approach bugs libertarianism sounds hundred years time affect planet vast tracks europe blown feel massive breakup country spans planet bound affects humanitarian argument democracies democracies struggling democracies billion gift important raised voluntarilly people give billion year charity wishes libertarians society farther libertarian voluntary gifts work proper framework face problem years libertarian dream society huge stumbling blocks trade charity limitations high tech exports nasa proton launch vehicles market able great deal obstacles fighting fighting tear obstacles market charities face opinions stupid russia strong space program champion welfare education studies drunken goldfish republic true democracy gridlock massive scale gridlock congressional scale gridlock scale russia expensive space programs national charity poor studies drunken goldfish limited government democratic limited government primarily democratic limited main question transform state economy monolithic government remotely government opposite direction painless easy simply wait proper government late decide stupid impose morals sort thing thought libertarians opinion libertarians free speech excercising mine politics pretty libertarian issue impossible join party libertarians withdraw rest world sink swim pretty libertarian issue libertarian compromise money fellow russia aiders give russia oppose weren government machine steal money group support problem transformation libertarian society happen painlessly overnight current government society turn minimal government responsible sufficient populace years people hundreds years nuclear weapons years instantaneous communications travel virtually anyplace earth beginnings global economy global decision making reason depend free market efficiently process information depend rulers decisions complex issues depend rulers free market businesses rulers emerge represent opinions person planet checks balances checks government bounds checks industry bounds putting hopes benevolence market putting hopes benevolence government julie disclaimer opinions belong 
pedophilia laws organization kalamazoo college lines cramer clayton cramer writes kzoo jamie mccarthy writes completely dived abyss believing queers world differently child molestation advocating minority motss notice starting sentence referent millions people irrelevant lumped group stop insisting treated member group point member group asked treated insisted sexual orientation defined anti discrimination passed year pedophilia sexual orientation wait minute claiming pedophilia state sexual orientation position specifically exclude damn happen nambla shirt apply care turn court court rule sexual orientation defined homosexuality heterosexuality bisexuality court decides pedophilia sexual orientation business silence death turn wholeheartedly support action nambla shirt fact homosexuals lying bastards black applies bank bank decides based statistics black person steal money denies support bank freedom support deletia deletia opposed civil rights passed signed governor people state california enact section purpose codify existing case determined students pacific telephone telegraph soroka dayton hudson corp prohibiting discrimination based sexual orientation section added labor code read sections prohibit discrimination disparate treatment terms conditions employment based actual perceived sexual orientation section apply religious association corporation organized private profit incorporated religious public benefit corporation purposes term sexual orientation defined section definitions state congress accelerated schedule jamie mccarthy internet applelink mccarthy 
comments overheard secret service lounge organization nasa langley research center hampton lines reply jason austin nntp posting host larc nasa reply popec jpunix message article popec jpunix william barwell writes croaker uucp francis writes clinton assasinated make martyr deal term office disgrace watching liberal democrat friends staff nation toilet assuming riots fortnight ways things reagan bush riots bush dumped spotty years pope charles slack time stop watching start reading history jason austin austin nasa 
conservative organization lines article mcochran mark cochran writes kevin kevin darcy writes article mcochran mark cochran writes restrictions viability term medically defined physician make reasonable stab determining fetus viable qualified perform abortion kebbin shows difference determining viability individual fetus providing universally accepted medical definition viability discussing universal definitions post mark refrain dragging irrelevancies agree statement physicians unqualified determine viability physicians qualified perform abortions medical definition viability employed case case basis viability easy determine good mark whining viability defined purpose whining serve kevin 
times poll health care alternatives umich howe reply umich organization project university michigan nntp posting host tarkus citi umich lines article steveh steve hendricks writes thought interested selection findings york times news poll national health care leave doug fierro enter entire article chooses selection findings paraphrased permission errors mine times times make mistakes poll results deleted economic political ignorance americans scary price controls government intervention surest route disaster amazing people learn history common sense price controls work thought experiment dampen belief price controls work government intervention people irony told entitlements biggest portion budget controlled presented horror stories waste fraud government agencies shown stories miserable treatment veterans government hospitals stories social security future surprise people choose ignore fairy tale government coming rescue simply amazing james howe internet umich university michigan uucp uunet mailrus citi umich arbor 
responses lists organization army corps engineers construction engineering research labs lines roby udel scott roby writes real question feds bail steve jobs chrysler important manufacturing jobs lost chrysler kids nearest thousand dollars government spend bail chrysler bzzt wrong answer wiggins german irish american success lead scout baby boomers happiness wanting internet wiggins uiuc brother dave gardner 
urgent frank wanted killing teel article unet organization network equipment technologies redwood city lines nntp posting host eyore heading true frank ashamed makes people respect rights voice opinions idol lenny bruce commented asshole time magazine advocated censorship material time sided cops arresting bruce shows routinely cocksucker cops rush stage arrest times changed lenny received today politically correct arena heck support nazis speak opinions march streets frank makes wisecracks anti semitism jewish longtime member aipac contributed apiece fine groups regular contributor israel group find support people speak vomit propaganda people basing assumption frank write sysadmin requesting teel admonished case retract nasties directed stand frank trashing amendment philip stromer 
supply side revenue organization engineering manufacturing atlanta atlanta distribution lines ssoar steven soar writes article ipser technet ipser writes result clinton hopes reduce deficit level reagan left office amount bush congress added inconsiderable achievement subject supply side claim reducing taxes raised revenue false typically factor talk politics misc chewing awhile challenge made single supply sider weeks challenge unmet issue challenge rule prettier calls government charity money wilson theory relativity back related mark wilson 
thought commercial advertising allowed organization corporation open systems distribution lines matt matt freivald writes article talk politics misc blackshaw writes regard give trite legislate morality nonsense legislated including moral concept rights pure socialism belief fell flat attempting follow reasoning suppose pass states love neighbour race religion plan enforce plan measure compliance overcome obstacles moral missed point disingenuous heard suggest legislate people laws based expediency traffic laws morality human rights majority based racetrack original statement nonsense legislate morality simply stated pass laws single make moral people make moral manner actions reflection unwillingness risk punishment moral distinction fine matt freivald feminist equal rights abortion slavery murder commit child family life opinions employer 
supply side economic policy david stockman organization openconnect systems dallas distribution lines article ipser technet ipser writes details seeking grahm rudman budget controls working fact working feds start cutting pork bush democrats budget summit replaced grahm rudman historic grand compromise bush turned gramm rudman sham fool voters accepting borrow spend policies years turned taxes killed reagan expansion caps expand economy chargeing trillion credit cards deal deficit spending expands economy short term long term shrinks economy numerous reasons preferred taxpayers trillion result clinton hopes reduce deficit level reagan left office chew awhile reagan campaign promise balance budget bush clinton raise taxes reagan balance puny carter deficit chew awhile kimball openconnect systems freeway suite dallas 
temper tantrums organization nasa langley research center hampton lines distribution reply jason austin nntp posting host larc nasa reply phil message article phil phil ronzone writes article gadfly gadfly writes straight nice long rant people personal responsibility economic social lives sudden radicals guess responsible poor people lifestyles works poor people dumb reasons disintegration family support systems general nation poor murphy brown janis joplin sane person list generation vaunted cultural revolution lasting change worse called relevant values education good idea time needed real education granted generation spoiled irresponsible depression create mothers fathers determined kids overboard creating nation brats contrast famous events july apollo woodstock group large numbers people feed reverted cultural level primitives defecation public group assembled care dispersed damage deaths large numbers drug problems woodstock called biggest parking history rejected society back nature parent cars jason austin austin nasa 
tieing abortion health reform clinton nuts organization corporation open systems distribution world lines sbooth utsa simon booth writes article bard loral writes sbooth utsa simon booth writes sandvik apple kent sandvik writes kill people death penalty costs money complain extremely barbaric justice death penalty expensive execution rope cyanide rifles ammunition firing squads affordable lethal injection expensive case return efficient methods employed past death penalty fairly inexpensive trial sentencing millions strychnine wanna costs skipping trial sentencing murderous bastard matter fact thinking make system efficient murderous bastards aboritionists yeah simon bastard head attack puppy simon 
tieing abortion health reform clinton nuts organization corporation open systems distribution lines sbooth utsa simon booth writes article blackshaw writes bard loral woodyatt writes sbooth utsa simon booth writes sandvik apple kent sandvik writes kill people death penalty costs money complain extremely barbaric justice death penalty expensive execution rope cyanide rifles ammunition firing squads affordable lethal injection expensive case return efficient methods employed past death penalty fairly inexpensive trial sentencing millions assuming attack puppy grant people trials order hell waste time convicted criminal death sentence directly hell pass collect judge laughing puppy bend miss adolescent ravings world good laugh simon 
homosexuals organization armory lines article dmeier acns douglas meier writes article steveh steve hendricks writes article dmeier acns douglas meier writes beats homosexual charged assault battery bashing list sort double jeopardy fascist deter epidemic bashing deterred assault laws make beating homosexual illegal beating straight silly thinking issue people treated equally straightening wrong bunch faggots tenderloin decide straight bashing selectively target heterosexual beat bloody fuck charged federal laws exist violation civils rights focus intent sexual orientation applies national government retains make laws sufficiently deter punish crime civil rights behavior punished fact count gays beating straights sexual orientation applied straights indulge federal government judiciary enforce amendment guarantee equal protection takes charges people violate read constitutional broke back harrassment campaign strategy early jail long heart double jeopardy single lead multiple charges multiple crimes meant current mutation constitution current police state charged multiple times victim question shade single merit charge cops acquitted cruel unusual punishment charges country mind mutation call protects butt happen wrong shade taste shown motive assault racially motivated full power extra laws bring charges punishments harmed laws hundred years constitutional scholars conviction recognize reserved federal government established short lived peculiarity read constitutional awhile douglas meier dmeier acns richard steven walz rstevew armory maple street safe free abortion women santa cruz organ surrogates unwanted parasites real accept organ slavery protect women 
homosexuals organization armory lines article mbond mimi writes article dmeier acns douglas meier writes article wdstarr william december starr writes difference make homosexuals treated equals heterosexuals eyes matter comprise overwhelming majority population matter numerically infinitesimal minority makes difference shoving false number throa shouldn high priority minority group inflate numbers order justify rights claim extra privileges beats homosexual charged assault battery bashing list sort double jeopardy fascist douglas meier space rent northwestern university acns university commie pinko views dmeier acns thought issue beats homosexual black person crime special shit beating race sexual orientation crime pick crimes committed opposite race sexual orientation form favoring groups groups crime committed people treated people prejudice people hate crimes laws punish bastards appropriately person commits crime wealthy protestant white wealthy protestant white treated lower level discrimination wealthy white person input black person sorts stories fellow blacks persecuted beat race tears crime white white treated heinous crime respond hear views ther ciao mimi federal government laws mutliple charges order prevent crimes nromally occur people pissed federal government interest intent perpetrators pursuit preventing violations civil rights broke back klan putting people long time harrassing blacks specifically principle recognized constitutionally valid years select group bashed harrassed person part minority made defeat south stick civil people harrassed free blacks find harrassing walking expeditiously jailed years wanted anymore amendment guarantee equal protection multiple crime severe penalty involving intent needed protect human hated minority call national guard school alabama desegregation president nationalize state militia turn guns militia blacks point thousands crowd order shoot obey face death firing squad uniform code military justice failing obey direct order arms southern boys turned fixed bayonets governor left standing arrested federal marshalls brought order nationalize guard ability federal jurisdiction richard steven walz rstevew armory maple street safe free abortion women santa cruz organ surrogates unwanted parasites real accept organ slavery protect women 
environmental group launches reply eoneill message reply stanford organization computer science department stanford university lines teddy neill creature furry hobbit feet bath sentimental fool posts force world wide youth movement establish coordinated global program accomplish strategic goal completely eliminating internal combustion engine twenty year period evidently open questions scientific people prefer live john mccarthy computer science department stanford refuses arithmetic doomed talk nonsense 
prolifer terrorist threat organization corporation open systems distribution world lines nadja nadja adolf writes article drieux writes article pamhpinn utexas taite utexas writes prepared instruct individuals proper handling firearms desert storm years national guard great deal experience handling weapons tactical training discussion counter sniper operations security drills friend counter terrorist operation twit promises train tactics weapons handlings doubt long terrorists sudden rise firearms accidents fiends fetus bless nadja needed attack puppies friends fetus foof short 
thought commercial advertising allowed nntp posting host harris distribution world reply batwood harris organization harris government communications system division lines debate deleted guess allowed 
clinton president remarks town hall meeting organization artificial intelligence lines nntp posting host life white house office press secretary release april remarks president secretary education richard riley secretary labor robert reich goals satellite town hall meeting chamber commerce building washington secretary riley good evening thousands communities country taking part satellite town meeting month april today april thomas jefferson born years mention beginning meeting time person terms democracy importance education great country success democracy jefferson depends success educational system philosophy government belief importance education meaningful special guest evening tonight pleased president clinton white house join chamber commerce studios president good taking time visit communities satellite network evening secretary labor robert reich pleasant evening questions guests call number washington number president words share president time great president secretary glad friends dick riley reich members cabinet headquarters chamber commerce support effort chamber making center work force preparation examine tonight critical question move young people school work place compliment chamber efforts recognizing educated work force grow economy remain competitive recognizing work business government labor educators make things happen satellite town meeting good kind working forgive home state pride special word mart corporation headquartered bentonville arkansas providing hundred sites town meeting tonight sites provided rest hard move constructive change country secretary riley talked thomas jefferson birthday thomas jefferson believed believed things education real personal liberty freedom religion freedom speech freedom association freedom press absolute imperative changing times change jefferson memorial beautiful city bedecked wonderful cherry blossoms jefferson change changing times america means reducing deficit increasing investment putting people compete world talk tonight educate train people efforts rest make government bring budget balance increase investment things grow jobs long people carry load world average young person change jobs times lifetime begins education system continues work force education lifetime important learn close emphasizing innovative partnership labor department education department private sector build good school work transition good start summer program create summer jobs including thousands strong education component young people learning working time dick stop good place begin discussion secretary riley president month talk ways citizens work reaching national education goals tonight focus goal communities prepare students world work week education department labor department hosting conference washington called summer challenge program work learning america youth special funds president clinton proposed economic stimulus package provide educationally enriched jobs summer school programs young people disadvantaged areas country president talk minute alluded summer youth challenge program calls educational enrichment summer jobs words important president important reasons young people reach trouble adjusting school learning good experience real continue learn summer research kids trouble learning school forget percent learned previous year summertime unproductive thing schools time teaching taught young people progress terms work terms learning abolish artificial dividing line work learning productive workers lifetime learners experience drive point home prepare young people succeed school work college secretary riley fact disadvantaged kids mentioned year greater secretary reich training programs year comment educational component training secretary reich learned secretary young people summer year work experience combined education ways learning young people difficult time learning geometry building working exact direct application geometry understand young people sense connection education world work terribly terribly important important summer important young people summer secretary riley president called youth apprenticeship program school work transition concept developing president talk important jobs created decade require year college degree require learning skills people high school diploma years average salaries young people years good post high school education good salary decade young people tended lower wages cases real terms fell decade productive valuable employers america economic interest ensure young people high school college make transition work includes years training community college vocational setting budget give secretary reich funds incentives work partnership states private sector build programs state state customized essentially business community based economy area revolutionize long term quality american work force earnings american workers secretary reich president experience arkansas people watching program business community educators labor groups communities states building school work transition program fact awful ferment excitement people watching program directly involved power secretary riley build successes secretary riley talking tonight youth apprenticeship tech prep learning career academies features programs deal subject features school work programs important secretary reich thing working long time longer active involvement business community absolutely essential delighted headquarters chamber commerce chamber commerce united states committed kinds programs training education retraining aimed work closely chamber business community actively engaged developing audit kind jobs needed helping educators community colleges technical institutions develop curricula relevant jobs future communities important things players community work cooperate educators business leaders labor groups talking working common strategy final ingredient dick commitment excellence commitment academic excellence skills development excellence tracking program talking kids make program young person eligible year college fine permissible talking foundation learning jobs foundation skills learning critical components president interject point based personal experience home business community critical role play simply skills needed taught monitoring excellence sort partnership people paying taxes hiring workers permit rate programs survive shape influence important fill blanks federal level standards provide funds things make employer heavy amount influence quality programs determine thing worthwhile secretary riley great talking school work jobs economic recovery program summer fall talk moment long term school reform close president give ideas communities goals legislation coming long president back governors spent time working public schools candid people things time materialize hand writing national education goals governors drafted representatives president bush administration back year leadership introduce legislation congress define things national government local schools children country adult learners meet goals making people show school ready learn percent time high school graduation rate children grades confident subjects supposed math science schools safe disciplined drug free goal line system life long learning country goals national role state role school role school district role private sector role attempted bill introduce weeks define give rest america defining meeting standards quality meet exciting form federal legislation mandating telling people money setting framework excellence partnerships excited secretary riley role federal government terms relationship states serving partner support facilitate education reform efforts driven high standards point question telephone calls subject skills standards part goals comment secretary reich percent young people graduate college alternatives wonderful system community colleges technical institutions national skill standards aspire employers understand national credential young people find eligible jobs college countries smaller proportions population college level people technical preprofessional skills country year college loser develop national skill standards working states education department private industry developing standards kinds things enable vocational technical institutions rally business community secretary riley great ahead telephone call mayor bruce todd austin texas president secretary reich riley opportunity join today dedicated professionals volunteers austin heard appreciative simply amen comments made agree tone clinton administration supportive successful austin tripling summer employment program years expect employed year summertime federal assistance question designed answered opening comments thinking alike question essentially involved initiatives labor summertime important year round important kind initiatives federal level proposed meet youth year round basis importantly families local community involved federal initiative important success effort secretary riley president president give chance answer question bruce calling great work austin impressed regard summer program hope structure enable continue summer program move young people back schools circumstances work private sector hope secretary reich system create private sector jobs matched public sector jobs summer working program presented congress years attempting build amount investment substantial training programs school work programs give heavy heavy weight local community input question asked provide federal investment dollars hope local dollars people working trained year round basis echo secretary reich moment break barrier work learning awful young people high learn reading listening hope community involvement part permanent hope budget passes budget cuts budget revenue raisers money education training able based question secretary reich words mouth president usual thing important aspects post high school young people college addition school work program simply availability jobs economy moving terribly important recovery program economy back track sort prerequisite economy back track correct wrong president month percent unemployment greater jobless recovery kids school june hard time jobs secretary riley goals permanent long term thing reach year involve passed hope action plans state working reach goals number ways state school districts important part citizen parent involvement great energy moving call harry heinemann york doctor good evening secretary pleasure evening bridging school work central guardia educational program inception includes college alternative high schools operate campus linkages forged local schools found extremely effective learning strategy years principles important bridging school work include integrating theory classroom practice workplace providing students early exposure careers providing opportunities reflect experiences strengthen skills lastly critical role liberal arts development high performance competencies question general education faculty academic curriculum closely integrated transition work experience mechanisms strategies suggest achieve integration secretary riley response interesting work people guests program evening specialists area speaking pass discuss care comment comments president thing reemphasize clear people panel able explicitly concept applied academics important basically abolish artificial distinction vocational learning academic learning liberal arts strong component people vocational program secretary reich rethink entire tracking system school work combinations important mainstream students important students special group students experiments united states dick mainstream experiments mainstreaming students grades giving combined work school experience transition program kids college technical community large variety possibilities career directions stigmatizing young people simply related work related work classroom schools secretary riley call time president move matter secretary reich time ideas tremendous 
clinton president remarks town hall meeting organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet broward horne nntp posting host hela cwru previous article clinton clinton gore president secretary kind working forgive home state pride special word mart corporation headquartered bentonville arkansas providing hundred sites town meeting tonight bill start endorsements remington shaver tune week 
economics organization northeastern class lines nntp posting host reply uchicago procedural note directed followups misc legal respect opinions followup fields mere suggestions mandatory commands issue sufficient general political relevance civil liberties interest warrant keeping active round article uchicago happened boomer happened boomer judge plaintiffs blackmail cement plant demanding multi million dollar plant shut damages required plant plaintiffs make plant shut plaintiff lawyers negotiated windfall settlement plaintiffs prefer amount greater plant shut plant prefer amount plant plant continue operation property rights protected plaintiffs made unnecessary settlement costs avoided interpretation boomer based facts presented york court appeals holding boomer note york court appeals highest court york state united states fifty states call highest court supreme court supreme judicial court supreme court appeals maryland york call simply court appeals make matters worse york calls highest court supreme court appellate division atlantic cement oscar boomer owned land atlantic cement company plant albany fact pattern information plaintiff acquisition land defendant start production cement plant regular operations cement plant injury plaintiffs property dirt smoke vibrations emanating plant plaintiffs sought injunctive relief asked court order atlantic cement stop damaging property commentary reasonable boomer owned property quiet enjoyment atlantic cement actions depriving boomer granting plaintiffs request injunction court ordered accept damage property provided atlantic cement paid compensatory damages words court granted atlantic cement private party power authority plaintiffs rights quiet enjoyment property eminent domain taking eminent domain problematical state allowing private firm opinion totally wrong boomer court call eminent domain walks eminent domain swims eminent domain quacks eminent domain issue presented case happened boomer judge plaintiffs blackmail cement plant demanding multi million dollar plant shut damages blackmail pulls black dictionary abridged edition blackmail unlawful demand money property threat bodily harm injure property accuse crime expose disgraceful defects crime commonly included extortion statutes define blackmail party demanding sale price unique piece property owns party expressed interest buying demanding sell property price boomer found fortunate position owning atlantic cement purchase wanted stay business world price wanted nice private business dealings plant shut plaintiff lawyers negotiated windfall settlement plaintiffs prefer amount greater plant shut plant prefer amount plant plant continue operation courts supposed business preventing parties reaping windfall settlements parties settlements arise wrongful acts parties atlantic cement face choice paying windfall settlement business atlantic cement thought business note facts show boomer parties responsible bringing situation atlantic cement fault choosing build operate type plant property rights protected plaintiffs made unnecessary settlement costs avoided dispute claim plaintiffs made fact court action deprived rights owners property choose sell sell property price acceptable deprivation made courts supposed business ensuring unnecessary settlement costs avoided miseducated thought courts supposed business ensuring justice boomer taught infamous fail completely read economics stuff hand filtered teachers inexplicable reasons boomer taught infamous school northeastern good hiring year mandatory classes torts encountered boomer instructors personal opinions teach neutrally students years students pick choose courses mandatory professional responsibility presumed worldly confident consciously consciously intimidated school professors able learn openly biased instructors indoctrinated instructors tend open expressing opinions true part time instructors real life practicing attorneys sitting judges educational taught cloistered scholar called infamous opinion reasons stated triumph call economic correctness justice completely alleged owners atlantic cement stay business avoid losing money wrongful alleged hundred atlantic cement employees jobs disappear trump rights people property damaged atlantic cement wrongful acts correct courts branch government grant private parties people property eminent domain posner bill libertarian cases boomer paper trail nominated president democrat antitrust stance republican support marriage bright students shiver understand easy imagine press play baby selling mike godwin claim posner asserts economics applicable posner precisely opposite admitted understanding field generally referred economics weak advocates economical analysis breaker factors courts reach decisions cases dispute measured scale justice evenly balanced fine illustrated boomer fine courts start viewing economics case important justice case william december starr 
clinton immunization program distribution organization associates lines article mwilson atlantaga mark wilson writes news night clinton bashing republicans stonewalling called stimulus package small item package free immunizations poor kids clinton claiming republicans holding health poor kids hostage blatantly political gains merits lack thereof free immunization program program bill supposedly creating jobs jobs hell jobs touchy feely program vapid administration fact major claim made universal immunization children immunized absolutely validity states programs programs years result average success rates national average gummint figured make parents bring kids case shameless demagoguery democrats agents change clinton immunization program democrats introduce stand bill clinton blatant political read pork manipulations telling republicans pass muti billion dollar package people opposed immunizing poor kids clinton issue partisan gain thought highly clinton stunts lower opinion thought clinton campaign themes kind politician kind manuevering made proud words meet boss boss chorus fooled paul havemann internet paul opinions caffeine brain milligrams cynical observation recommended minimum daily requirement reading 
recent news news software vnews keywords organization computer systems ingres product division lines hopes adding life debates bits info comments couple days headlines splashed stories proof north vietnamese held hostages ended back today newspaper page francisco chronicle article document held proof permission document discovered archives soviet communist party moscow russian translation september report prepared vietnam politburo general tran quang identified deputy chief staff north vietnamese army article talks claim americans north vietnamese prisons phong easiest prove document fabrication review quang career quang deputy chief staff army commander military region central vietnam heard radio church scientology filed bankrupcy becuase employees cocolat owned filed class action suit requiring employees dues members church heard micheal jackson business micheal milken panicking snapped authur garrett johnson culture shock wait till garrett settled situation found bearings start panicking douglas adams 
employment concentrate child molesters organization general datacomm middlebury lines nntp posting host esun newsreader version visitor cornell wrote article xavier gallagher writes true invent food shelter warmth invent property laws laws trespass property generated grow automatically trees produce generated goddess result coalescence billions tons interstellar debris case property xavier speaks millions years fact mother nature provide automatically stop mother nature automatically providing bounty crawled primordial ooze produced produces year year night deer crossing road pretty sight earlier time dinner ways produced things trade person produced person produced civilized method savages arrange affairs american indians concept ownership property freely gave supplies neighboring tribes trading food clothing weapons services native hawaiians polynesian ancestors conceive idea shared things islanders fact ipoi hawaiian word cherish means sharing food great mahele islands divided evenly rich poor white idea africa villagers share tools crops clothing members village neighboring villages anthropologist africa tale difficulties arising called theft scientists possessions concepts visitors natives understanding people call savages hand jackings muggings year make comment thread behoove study facts garison 
good neighbor political hypocrisy test organization winco lines article jrbeach jeffry beach writes article mike michael thomas writes article jrbeach jeffry beach writes drugs legalized lower cost make safer start criterion determine legality people waste time battle legalization drugs prove idiotic idea asked question people answer legitimate question asked cost safety part determine legality prove drug legalization idiotic idea evidence great britain pretty convincing drug legalization good idea noted conservative william buckley supports point pretty stupid justify legalizing safer cheaper ideas hold criterion prostitution killing funny farm patients aids victims elderly unemployed prisioners surely make taxes decrease examples prostitution fail miserably meet criteria safer cheaper killing people safe prostitution legal dale cook town churches bars social problem edward abbey opinions mine employer 
lincoln slavery tricks organization netcom line communication services guest lines cramer clayton cramer writes judy judy mcmillin writes cramer clayton cramer writes provide evidence slave states regarded slaves humans society similar phrases basically meant recognized rights free person considered human knowledge fact slaves purchased opposed hired evidence thought humans bill rights provide basic freedoms humans slaves necessarily distinctions made citizens persons state constitutions free blacks rights citizens rights citizens curious additional level distinction made slave states rationalize treatment slaves theoretical problems slave ownership bill rights refer citizens makes references people article people secure persons houses papers effects unreasonable searches seizures violated article person held answer capital infamous crime presentment indictment grand jury person deprived life liberty property process article vii excessive bail required excessive fines imposed cruel unusual punishments inflicted heard constitutional rights apply citizens meant apply equally persons living slaves considered human case made treated people defined bill rights nation nominally based declaration independence states created equal endowed creator unalienable rights life liberty pursuit happiness slaves follow definition humanity eric smith erics erics 
reserve officers demographics nominations close naval marine reserve centers organization node public access unix lines press release reserve officers association reserve officers demographics nominations close naval marine reserve centers national desk defense writer contact herbert hart reserve officers association united states washington april newswire reserve officers association united states alerted defense base realignment closure commission services failed give sufficient weight demographics recommendations made close naval marine corps reserve centers letters closure commission members congress affected locations constituencies including nunn chairman senate armed services committee charged developers navy marine list demographics civilian population prior service personnel executive director evan hultman suggested concern plausible alternative intentionally attempting foreclose naval reserve components maintaining today level participation parent service total force future asked commission remove consideration locations sufficient convincing demographic data warrant approval requested action naval marine corps reserve installations list large significant impact community closed wrote hultman major issue cumulative impact moving closing large percentage existing locations hultman reminded commission fact vast majority reserve installations list close meeting minimal requirements consideration process supports thesis actions simply attempt foreclose substantial role navy marine corps reserve noted number naval reservists approximately today naval reserve facilities navy recommendations approved naval reserve facilities facilities list include naval stations ranging south weymouth mass alameda calif naval reserve centers macon parkersburg missoula great falls mont naval marine corps reserve centers include francisco fort wayne billings mont abilene texas major marine reserve center list toro calif nigel allen toronto ontario canada ndallen node 
clinton president names officials transp comm defen opic organization artificial intelligence lines nntp posting host life white house office press secretary release april president names officials transportation commerce defense opic washington president clinton announced intention today nominate albert herberger administrator federal maritime administration loretta dunn assistant secretary commerce import administration christopher finn executive vice president overseas private investment corporation additionally approved appointments joan deputy administrator federal maritime administration alice maroni principal deputy comptroller department defense deborah castelman deputy assistant secretary defense command control communications continuing move forward putting government excellent diverse americans share commitment changing washington works president people naming today bill biographical sketches nominees attached biographical sketches nominees april albert herberger thirty year navy veteran retired rank vice admiral vice president international planning analysis center ipac positions held naval service deputy commander chief transportation command director logistics staff atlantic fleet commander chief director military personnel policy division office naval operations surface warfare expert merchant marine officer eighteen years operational experience herberger vice chairman national defense transportation association sealift committee graduate merchant marine academy naval postgraduate school loretta dunn served staff senate committee commerce science transportation committee senior trade counsel responsible drafting trade legislation reports planning conducting hearings managing legislation senate floor conferences house overseeing variety executive branch agencies including department commerce previously staff counsel committee dunn holds history university kentucky university kentucky college georgetown university center christopher finn executive vice president equities american stock exchange previous positions held included senior vice president water technologies corporation chief staff senator daniel moynihan deputy commissioner york state department economic development chief legislative aide congressman james jones finn graduate harvard college joan professional planner years experience community based planning policy analysis project design management inter agency coordination government affairs hawaii office state planning planner issues relating natural resource coastal zone management public infrastructure financing issues supervising planner honolulu firm parsons brinckerhogg quade douglas work state executive neighborhood commission secretary city county honolulu chair kaneohe community planning committee democratic national committeewoman holds connecticut college pursued graduate studies university hawaii april page alice maroni professional staff member house armed services committee specializing defense budget issues previously worked national defense specialist foreign affairs national defense division congressional research service international risk analyst rockwell international written extensively defense budget related topics maroni received mount holyoke college fletcher school diplomacy tufts university completed senior service program national college harvard program senior executives national international security deborah castleman leave rand space defense policy analyst advisor clinton gore campaign space science technology national security issues prior joining rand castleman held engineering positions hughes space communications group general dynamics electrac served avionics technician force castleman holds electrical electronic engineering california state polytechnic university electrical engineering california institute technology international studies claremont graduate school 
clinton president remarks town hall meeting lines organization university tennessee division continuing education article clinton clinton gore writes secretary riley good evening thousands communities country taking part satellite town meeting month april today april thomas jefferson born years mention beginning meeting time person terms democracy importance education great country success democracy jefferson depends success educational system realizes irony federal secretary invoking rabid anti federalist support federal education programs david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
loathesome subject organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article henry henry mensch writes carlos nasa carlos carrion wrote curious answer feel uncomfortable times boys care total stranger asked answer henry mensch booz allen hamilton henry typical homosexuals constantly making excuses child molesters clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
wade distribution organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article chased david chase writes article cramer clayton cramer writes remain choice choicers compare abortion clinic religious ritual church start wondering life criticism abortion modern human sacrifice doesn grain truth article ruoinn chased david chase writes clayton found bash choicers compared abortion clinic religious ritual church overwhelming support opinion newsgroup article cramer clayton cramer writes comparison drawn choicers politics worrisome reading politics recall comparison read postings carefully surprised pretty shocking part sympathy agreement lifers increasing handful lunatic opinions expressed politics make opinion widely held clayton knew made tick math sucks single instances fringe opinions proclaim existence pernicious trend quarter billion people living country small number guaranteed hold opinions find positively repellent long small number small number long neighbor highly worried hold high public office worry cite experts remember carl sagan paul ehrlich experts heard experts source unable master elementary statistics statistical inference ignore david chase conclusions emotional state requires clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
professors whining distribution organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article fogarty nasa fogarty writes article cramer clayton cramer writes article fogarty nasa fogarty writes article cramer clayton cramer writes professors summers industry employees professor summer primary purpose professor university publish teaching secondary summer professors able research required papers told advisor universities publishing primary emphasis professors state university system publish prefer teaching pressure publish discussing issue helps participants definitions rarely occurs usenet term university organization bachelors masters program state schools call colleges schools universities univeristy number goal publish state university system offers bachlors masters degrees offered opposition state schools professors speak phds professors phds professor didn wife couple professors friend instructor degree minister culture black panthers teaching habit showing teach class finally quit disgust racism university expected show teach university professors phds teaching assistants slave labor graduate students tuition paid hundred month living expenses exchange grunt work professors taught lectures students class taught labs class fogarty fogarty nasa sonoma state university typical class size class teaching goal professors sonoma state equivalent professors ucla clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
clinton president remarks summer jobs conference organization artificial intelligence lines nntp posting host life white house office press secretary release april remarks president summer jobs conference hyatt regency crystal city virginia president speech octavius gave able today important give young people chance work experience continue learn merge nature learning work important honor efforts people jerry levin nancye combs irving secretaries labor education people work sponsoring good friend governor wilder speaking business local community leaders city county state level america pretty laughter loved hearing young people sing music ears future struggling applause year half began quest seek presidency concerned future country beacon hope young opportunity divided lines income race region ways vision future entered hope create opportunity insist responsibility people process recreate america community knowing individually secure future today committed jobs jerry levin committed time warner symbolic commitments made private sector people country work nancye combs successes young people stage eloquent statement octavius jeffers things show track july traveling america heartland luxurious visited seneca high school louisville kentucky young people business people participating louisville education employment partnership nancye combs talked today young people making extra effort succeed school work times state principle illustrated octavius talked millions american young people impediment learning ability good workers draw sharp dividing line work learning world living average young person change nature work times lifetime learn merge work world learning world determine young people opportunities showcased today business government education building future honestly includes opportunity people people things pretty good washington fine thing thing jobs laughter people applause health insurance pretty good education pretty secure knowledge matter political unduly critical point great challenges advanced nation fully develop capacities people find work european countries higher unemployment rates stronger support systems unemployed japanese unemployment rate adopt stimulus count rigorous terms times bigger proposed create jobs west germany unemployment rate high problem advanced nations costs money extra employee pressure wage producers countries growing economies provide opportunity people important america reasons folks move aggressively education skills competitive productive nation educate jobs robbed fruits educational labors people able work country applause unemployment normal people leaving jobs moving country thing moment history necessity organizations including government reexamine organized people working kinds jobs able create jobs country america provide people chance work difficult make welfare reform proposals make congress couple months hard make work work welfare applause tasks develop capacity american people perform regard race income circumstances birth make opportunities bring bear talent rewarded paycheck great challenge pretend answers simple american people responsible recreate sense community country bridges lines race income region opportunity part vision america future young person country play rules work hard strive rainbow rainbow basically talk today partners recognizing develop capacities people succeed live background make summer jobs program discussing today integral part plan promote values work opportunity fairness community people partnership public private sector addressed united states congress february program seek create extra summer jobs government sources challenge american business community meet target create million summer jobs created people responded challenge jerry shining replicated room country people private sector give young people work experience terribly important emphasize summer jobs program part commitment increase capacity american people retraining defense workers lose jobs adults acquire skills improving transition school work young people college years post high school training community college vocational setting competitive workers making people college things part parcel comprehensive plan important create jobs emergency jobs program asked congress adopt create half million extra jobs year half reduce unemployment rate half percent enable absorb young people coming work force jobs created cities counties invest things grass roots level projects long delayed water projects sewer projects park projects industries small medium size communities range things improve economy improve environment summer jobs program important part time work labor department education department reaching people make shot summer jobs program integrate private sector efforts replicate coming summer move young people educational opportunities opportunities strong meaningful education component summer jobs united states government fully emphasized young people difficult backgrounds school difficult challenging circumstances extra building basic skills math language reasoning areas educational studies show young people difficulty school forget percent learn summer repeated year give people opportunity learn good work habits reinforce learning skills couple years entire program passes give school country opportunity good work learning environment applied academics opportunities people learn work school year simply isolated moment young folks part building educational experience work experience moving pathway future summer jobs programs designed make work jobs designed make future people holding process build local communities strengthen local economies solve local problems real jobs renovating housing repairing public buildings clerical work providing nursing assistance hospitals supervising training children child care centers learning challenging young people learn earn letting earn difficult make case people opportunity street thing evidence opportunity effort sparing year half places popular wanted reform welfare system wanted toughen child support wanted require people work sick tired people irresponsible guns streets wanted change summon people greater responsibility reward thing opportunity applause young people propose work program spend hours learning basic skills math reading writing classroom stretch minds work sweat sense accomplishment literally summer challenge challenge life support effort president support effort summer evaluate young people participate falling summer academically young people stayed moved ahead suspect summer secretary reich secretary riley visiting communities learn efforts working summer build school year build training efforts works companies make sense thing maximize impact taxpayer dollar private investments honor companies communities business leaders young people jobs summer private business matched effort haven country listen learn event today implore private employers stretch give young people chance work summer telling years give children exhort able reward applause speakers talking sitting platform listening reveling talking work thinking things make living life made foolish short term business investment comic book stand sold trunks full comic books made money life saved trunks worth today laughter young people entrepreneurial means foresee generation ahead mowed yards cleared land built houses worked body shops parts departments dealership things living people politics escape work laughter learned grew generation literally living soul regard race income wanted work grew generation people education make money year year live generation full people make money real dollars years working longer hours paying basics life wondering create jobs young people close reemphasizing things matter kind economic policies administration pursues productivity increases private sector young americans good education learn work productive jobs created country machines work work shore people skill levels work fourth wages economically matter build skills capacities america work force pretends kidding hand honest wealthy country world including united states difficulty creating jobs knew glad call deliberations congress answers answer applause jobs program presented congress summer jobs money cities counties community development program infrastructure money small part budget attempt engage experiment economy recovering terms corporate profit give boost give opportunities young people create half million jobs engine jobs program jobs private sector government jobs government money lion share work rebuilding american economy private sector kind system works pretty challenge today support summer jobs program friends neighbors support back home employers make extra effort pass funds create jobs united states government create summer partnership give future future young people send message america study hard work hard obey contribute community rewarded country build future dreams promise america summer challenge reaffirmation promise america young people promise illusion make reality applause 
clinton press briefing george stephanopoulos organization artificial intelligence lines nntp posting host life white house office press secretary release april press briefing george stephanopoulos briefing room stephanopoulos guess prepared questions today george dole clinton administration policy bosnia failure united states lead lifting arms embargo bosnian muslims defend stephanopoulos president clinton suggestion active consideration tragic situation bosnia bosnian serbs negotiating table constructive pressing lifting arms embargo meantime continue press tough sanctions resolution continue work serbs negotiating table prospect arms embargo president serbs table longer give table george stephanopoulos working long time february president mentioned added ohio asked reporters quote radical change system united states years ahead questioned consideration start trial balloon discussing response question donna shalala quoted today morning quote alice rivlin morning stephanopoulos health care task force reviewing number options made decisions podium time time comment decisions made podium time time wait minute whoa nelly whoa consideration clinton consideration longer true stephanopoulos working group shalala looked prospect decisions made kind consideration stephanopoulos consideration proposed start stephanopoulos proposed start direct quote stephanopoulos task force looked number options made decisions president made decisions proposals consideration task force cast wide ideas reform health care system cast wide looked hundreds proposals thousands proposals president made decisions president aware consideration option stephanopoulos briefed preliminary conclusions task force specific proposal kind level started yesterday task force wide range decisions presented relying today task force taxes stephanopoulos deliberate fashion number decisions made proposal reached decision making point consideration change told weeks option talking argument remember specifically case stephanopoulos presented president looked level task force ruled unlike options specifically ruled stephanopoulos looked decision made kind necessarily material decision making phase working groups hundreds options ruled ruled changed george february stephanopoulos working groups widest range options changed stephanopoulos working groups point casting wide able sell definitively rule option previously fact considered stephanopoulos working groups wide range options deny ruled flatly ruled occasions past month stephanopoulos deny president words clear subsequent president words deny month publicly ruled stephanopoulos timing refer back president words stand stand longer march clinton years ruled stephanopoulos words president february working groups separate track separate president stephanopoulos presented president president ruled ruled president stephanopoulos working groups presented president looked wide range options suppose argument made listen decided answer ohio looked terms restructuring system circumstance considered future point longer case emerging stephanopoulos guess talked context restructured system specific finance health care context substituting taxes time dramatic overhaul system stephanopoulos change view stephanopoulos spoken specific comments back working groups examined possibility stephanopoulos examined possibility presented president made decision kind deal president appointed task force oblivious ruling context huge line reform ahead considers specifically ruled context ahead announces president concerned sort thing stephanopoulos president concern make health care proposal concerned making process examining alternatives alternatives decision made forward president explain justify decision made lines president rules back table persuasive argument made stephanopoulos indisputably true time ruled made proposal makes open open stephanopoulos listen argument listen argument short term year listen chilicothe open stephanopoulos context comments wanted clear proposing floating words consideration start acknowledging consideration stephanopoulos acknowledging task force studied proposal stating president made decision door open president reconsider including part stephanopoulos working groups president made decision make presentation behalf stephanopoulos assume stage proposing make conclusion present working groups understand george questions context decision president made president stephanopoulos understand acknowledging working groups examined issue president stephanopoulos assume argument presented president working groups president means laughter stephanopoulos means working groups george question bosnia stephanopoulos laughter stay gays military laughter swamp bottom line reggie bartholomew special ambassador belgrade today serbs accept agreement worked quote part pursue lifting arms embargo allies stephanopoulos sounds accept words accept reggie stephanopoulos president consideration current actions bring serbs table kind timetable stephanopoulos timetable vote resolution days sanctions tightening sanctions stephanopoulos sanctions ratchet pressure hope bring serbs table bartholomew churkin russia working ways bring serbs table continue pressure ways option question timetable consideration vote decision lifting arms embargo sanctions stephanopoulos vote sanctions votes scheduled lifting arms embargo discussed internally allies reggie bartholomew serbs point telling stephanopoulos consideration table consequences failing table deadline warren christopher thing change serbs behavior serbs heed threat lift arms embargo effect fighting bosnia stephanopoulos accept premise question effect embargo effect effect stephanopoulos serbians choose heed warnings face consequences effect bosnia stephanopoulos effect serbians tightened shipments fully bosnia george bosnia effect stephanopoulos hard stopped aggression date continuing press serbians stop time continue weaken serbs effect happen overnight happened overnight time sanctions weaken serbs fails work serbs fail negotiating table move forward embargo working deadline george date scheduled vote united states nato allies serbs sign peace accord seek seek stephanopoulos continually deadline stephanopoulos specific date move forward resolution resolution time fails effect fails bring serbs table actions incremental stephanopoulos taking step step approach ratcheting pressure continue possibility george time incremental steps serbs achieved goals purpose stephanopoulos purpose serbs stop aggression pursuing goal fronts pursuing pursuing direct talks pursuing tightening sanctions lifting arms embargo turning screws serbs continue efforts unsuccessful serbs stop aggression effective campaign serbs give back gained entrenched stephanopoulos speculate continue press table continue find ways stop aggression future george stimulus package house republicans hold series town meetings saturday explain details package cite polls show people learn strategy counter stephanopoulos strategy continue president today pointed real benefits summer jobs program package provide summer jobs summer kids cities suburbs productive work point benefits highway money investments highways point benefits immunization point benefits head start republicans choice action create jobs perpetuate gridlock years concern house house republicans senate stephanopoulos house republicans voted made mistake making mistake george strike administration strong describe president morning summer jobs program quote reaffirmation promise america stephanopoulos promise america give kids chance reach full potential government funded jobs stephanopoulos give people chance work absolutely promise america follow asked yesterday summer jobs figure stephanopoulos summer jobs pipeline total million created stimulus package stephanopoulos number told stimulus package create jobs panetta breaks full time jobs summer jobs stephanopoulos summer full time equivalence individuals receive jobs summer calculate full time effect exact formula hundred thousand part time jobs stephanopoulos months stephanopoulos follow president misspeak morning government money summer jobs private kids work private sector stephanopoulos necessarily grants ways jobs time issued challenge private sector hire kids dollars instance kids work time warner stephanopoulos time warner coming forward grant bulk isolated instances grants businesses president spoken senate republicans week stephanopoulos contact senate republicans white house lower level president hasn stephanopoulos president closer votes stephanopoulos continuing work leaning haiti york times reporting breakthrough aristide attitude coup leaders confirm change impact process pezzullo yesterday report stephanopoulos pezzullo principals confirm happening talks leave negotiators caputo returned haiti received briefing white house ambassador pezzullo time time assurances security important final resolution broader political settlement george yesterday offered selective breakdowns stimulus impact states cities complete breakdown state jobs impacted stephanopoulos states make generally stephanopoulos component stimulus words stephanopoulos summer jobs jobs deeply broken break summer jobs jobs follow information jeff eller rest white house states stephanopoulos press releases describe press releases stephanopoulos pointing benefits package states instance today senator dole heading vermont hampshire point stimulus package jobs package creates jobs vermont creates jobs hampshire people states remind important releases stephanopoulos states stephanopoulos problem stephanopoulos afternoon stephanopoulos check focusing press releases states moderate pragmatic republican senators stephanopoulos difficult pull putting closely tracking senator dole schedule stephanopoulos press releases states visiting stephanopoulos press releases vermont laughter chicken suit waiting laughter george president business defending stimulus package address republicans main point funding deficit spending important funding republican argument answer stephanopoulos answer paying time budget package time economy jump start jobs claiming deficit year stephanopoulos paying time george beginning question annual budgets things deficit spending year stephanopoulos year time budget fully pays program savings cover year future years stephanopoulos absolutely outstanding debt national debt year stephanopoulos reducing deficit billion billion years reducing stephanopoulos fact adding large amount national debt period stephanopoulos reducing true washington type reduction laughter grumpy george decision made white house president participation rights march coming week half stephanopoulos working president schedule senate democratic retreat jamestown weekend address phone stephanopoulos senate retreat leaders speech stephanopoulos expect point meet leaders groups schedule aids czar appointed prior conjunction event stephanopoulos april earth president mark case sign biodiversity treaty stephanopoulos work biodiversity treaty signing expect statement earth work biodiversity treaty stephanopoulos check katie mcginty work earth stephanopoulos statement earth statement rights march stephanopoulos meet meet statement rights march stephanopoulos surprised details miyazawa visit stephanopoulos working visit friday president forward discussing number issues including russian japanese stimulus package trade issues countries expectations package russia unveiled meeting understand happened status stephanopoulos meeting secretaries bentsen christopher talked outlines package continue consult congress allies make kind announcement meeting stephanopoulos meeting make stephanopoulos ruling possibility president announce tomorrow bentsen bentsen tomorrow christopher stephanopoulos announcement tokyo george consideration sending president angeles stephanopoulos ruled date george position support immigration plan settle iraqi prisoners united states stephanopoulos heard george report today fortunately laughter pace appointments president clinton president bush number positions people nominated speed pace nominations stand stephanopoulos filled president appointments broken schedule noncareer full time means laughter full time pace president bush move farther level appointment multiplier effect frees appointments expect process speed pace bush quickly point background checks background check comprehensive takes time predecessors part holdup working nannygate stephanopoulos awful part story morning approximately pace bush making appointments winning confirmations stephanopoulos background checks play problem background checks problem democratic senate stephanopoulos make appointments takes time fill forms background checks problem president afternoon plan tomorrow stephanopoulos meetings office meetings afternoon part variety issues half dozen issues tomorrow event focused stimulus jobs package white house friday miyazawa meeting releasing return tomorrow george stephanopoulos tomorrow friday briefing japanese prime minister visit tomorrow stephanopoulos tomorrow visits reverend jackson morning stephanopoulos group white house including mack mclarty reverend jackson stephanopoulos reverend jackson mack mclarty gene sperling bruce reed jeff watson mark gearan talking haiti stephanopoulos talked general urban policy angeles back mississippi good victory night angeles request meeting stephanopoulos continual contact president written letter variety issues asked talk george dole fundraiser jeffords tonight vermont contact jeffords stephanopoulos contact contacts stephanopoulos contacted stephanopoulos howard paster talked general talk package express support stephanopoulos divulge details conversation conversations times reporting abortion elective abortions included basic health care package president stephanopoulos laughter stephanopoulos looked decisions made question stephanopoulos times story abortions covered president health plan president meeting meeting reverend jackson advice solicit advice kind stance white house wake verdict stephanopoulos talked situation angeles long term prospects economic development issues instance discuss helpful president stephanopoulos discussed wide range issues related angeles letting back bosnia stephanopoulos good reaction margaret thatcher comments sitting watching massacre stephanopoulos pushing hard number fronts aggressive action continue made progress talks stimulus package compromise feel talks ongoing talked people stephanopoulos numbers talked people wide ranging sessions leaning stephanopoulos working tuesday press 
good neighbor political hypocrisy test organization gordian costa mesa lines article jrbeach jeffry beach writes article mike michael thomas writes article jrbeach jeffry beach writes drugs legalized lower cost make safer start criterion determine legality people pray people blindly swallow piece propoganda nokd kind dear appeal audience supposed implicitly understand waste time battle legalization drugs prove idiotic idea read fuck talking eager make fool point pretty stupid justify legalizing safer cheaper pragmatic standpoint justification vice people commit criminalize alcohol legalization alcohol pragmatic standpoint happy hear fact wasn ideas hold criterion prostitution killing funny farm patients aids victims elderly unemployed prisioners surely make taxes decrease make sense legalize rest case made connection expect haven connecting theme thread persons autonomy life body vice statutes serve make expensive rich dangerous poor eloquently people autonomy lives government pray aids victim snear quotes revisionist sort thinks thing aids plauge deserve michael thomas mike bambi eyes flame thrower hobbes calvin usnail irvine santa heights pabell 
clinton president public schedule organization project free software foundation mass cambridge lines nntp posting host life white house office press secretary release march public events president schedule thursday april president meets leadership enforcement organizations rose garden open press president meets national ambassador march dimes birth defects foundation oval office pool open photo writing pool president meets mosaic minstrels york rose garden open photo writing pool president meets berwick high school bulldogs state football champions south lawn open photo writing pool upcoming events president schedule april president meets japanese prime minister miyazawa white house april president clinton meets president amato italy white house 
nlns fascism friendly face uucp nlns lines liberation news service subject nlns fascism friendly face written nlns nlns news nlns packet fascism friendly face rush limbaugh remind daevid bornhuetter machen madison edge main difference adolf hitler rush limbaugh hitler original showed initiative mort sahl snyder radio show radio network october nlns planning comparative review mein kampf limbaugh transcribed rant things sahl issued comparative review usual sahl independent sharp scalpel effort dream comparing favorably mort fairly popular orginating premise mention idea thought divinely inspired past delivery reactions based parallels obvious peripheral observer acts false prophets noted galvanizing oratorical skills passion generate political cult massive numerical proportions fact limbaugh claims audience million identical number votes cast hitler april german election myopic social perspective build cult enthusiastically amputated facts record fabricate ideological quilt point glaringly documented passages opening pages books hitler page claims german nationalist terrorist schlageter bombed part railway line dusseldorf duisburg caught betrayed france representative government factual foundation statement fact governments reich prussia vatican actively intervened save execution succeeded limbaugh suit making hysterically sarcastic claim introduction school commencement ceremony public places unconstitutional official imposition concepts individual unconstitutional limbaugh gleeful talent distortion assume comparing books main point things modern american mein kampf time german version mein kampf hitler months prison june reorganize nazis book build dozen million followers limbaugh hand book building dozen million twelve million longer weimar germany republicrat united states accurate parallels limbaugh daily hour radio show american mein kampf primary propoganda tool pump angry volume things american triumph translation fascist message medium printed word important medium weimar germany radio thought impoverished germans medium luxury today hand americans spend seconds tune radio dial monetary charge drop pages transcripts words mort sahl observed radio night cloutmeister radical limbaugh focal point propoganda remember sahl haig conservative days mort rush equivalent rodolf hess book suggests mclaughlin president radio limbaugh partner media radio program production company mort veteran talk show hosted york washington angeles evil lurks hearts major market media limbaugh collected audience opportunity silver platter handed limbaugh earns money honestly capone worthy rico indictment questions social issues overabundance material limbaugh book echo hitler venom qualifications control society hitler host millions people individually distinctly guess truth partly understand author emphasis step forward order form apodeictic force wavering world imagination great masses granite principles fight sole correctness playing waves free world thought brazen rock uniform combination form arises page limbaugh media show devoted exclusively phrase half brain tied back make denotes egress mental aptitude require engage demolish liberals disagree years convinced media slowly reluctantly thinking kicking screaming pages religion basis nation hitler world human culture civilization inseperably bound existence aryan dying decline lower earth dark veils time culture dares hand highest image lord sins benevolent creator miracle helps expulsion paradise page limbaugh america founded judeo christian country intellectual political elites hostile ambivalent religion people belief charming superstition managed prayer public schools thirty years coincidence quality american education declined pages popular culture reason social collapse hitler fight poisoning soul menus movie houses vaudevilles theatres deny kind food theatre literature movies press billposters window displays cleaned symptoms rotting world service moral idea state culture pages limbaugh today hollywood trouble reason hollywood forgotten audience make people ridicule traditional family heterosexuality monagamy disparage american heroes page news meida hitler activity called liberal press work gravediggers german people german reich pass silence marxist papers lies task break people folkish national spine order make ripe yoke slavery international capital masters jews page limbaugh elements media jumped bandwagon leftist cynical journalist past replaced cases enthusiastic cheerleader gulf correspondent bernard shaw global network sides sides realize freedom lies united states america defend nation hopelessly misguided suggest flirting megalomania pages continue comparative excerpts ultimately depressing reading putting books undeniable fact haunts adolf hitler depressed frightened germans opiate hatred turn allowed germans hand collective national power nazis rush limbaugh thing distributing hatred depressed frightened americans turn helping american radical maintain power base year nightmare reagan bush hoping rebuild hopes fascist states america limbaugh repellant hitler radical utilizes limbaugh gateway opiate ultimate drug plan hook america madison edge reached madison 
burning organization rutgers univ brunswick lines article mikeq writes hear jury reached verdict hear missed burning burn verdict radio count blessings views expressed theodore kaldis kaldis rutgers major university rutgers remus rutgers kaldis hold views 
clinton powers resolution bosnia organization project free software foundation mass cambridge lines nntp posting host life white house office press secretary release april text letter president speaker house representatives president tempore senate april dear speaker dear president part continuing effort congress fully informed providing report consistent section powers resolution advise actions ordered support united nations efforts bosnia herzegovina beginning security council resolution september united nations actively addressing crisis yugoslavia security council acted resolution establish unauthorized military flights bosnia herzegovina blatant violations villages bosnia bombed response violations security council decided resolution march extend unauthorized flights bosnia herzegovina authorize member states acting nationally regional organi zations measures ensure compliance nato north atlantic council agreed provide nato enforcement zone secretary general notified nato decision proceed operation deny flight activation order delivered participating allies united states actively supported decisions direction joint chiefs staff execute order forces participating nato force conduct phased operations prevent flights authorized united nations bosnia herzegovina forces initially assigned operation consist fighter aircraft supporting tanker aircraft aircraft commenced enforcement operations april fighter aircraft equipped combat accomplish mission defense nato positioned forces established combat patrol stations control airborne early warning aircraft aircraft operate bases italy aircraft carrier adriatic unauthorized aircraft entering approaching zone identified interrogated intercepted escorted monitored turned order steps result compliance zone aircraft engaged basis proper authorization nato military authorities accordance approved rules engagement expect action commander unprofor united nations protection force operating bosnia herzegovina consulted ensure concerns force fully considered rules engagement approved predict time long operations directed armed forces participate operations pursuant constitutional authority commander chief grateful tinuing support congress effort forward continued cooperation move forward attainment goals region sincerely william clinton 
temper tantrums organization university chicago distribution lines article garrett writes article phil phil ronzone writes normalized relations normalizing relations cambodia joking sponsored overthrow cambodian government repeated failed attempts people republic china cambodia play dave griffith information resources university chicago department surgery dave uchicago brain damage chromosome damage gravy 
disaster distribution organization chevron lines article phil phil ronzone writes apparently member religious left show environmental disasters aren natural disasters individually outweigh made called disasters love canal times beach disasters worship trees owls snails fine push scaredness religious environmental disasters eastern europe parts soviet union environmental protection laws increase productivity expense justify political systems luckily politicians vision passed environmental laws modified hear environmental laws dreamed bunch left wing tree huggers intent putting back horseback simply procede caution john viveiros jviv chevron standard disclaimer applies midland netnews userid nntpserver chevron news good news 
limiting govt employment concentrate summary restrain unpleasant impulses organization free barbers lines nntp posting host thor article slagle lockheed writes article steveh steve hendricks writes article doctor patrick hailey writes point protects established dealers people money start fairly operation protecting folks competition protects rest prices high quality excellent point missing subtle point government recipient displeasure established business interests influence direct government action case government preventing entry market desire running established businesses prevent restrict entry competitors understandable generally unpleasant human failing means desire government sufficient power restrict options potential competitor anti competitive desire remains unpleasant government linchpin seek disengage shaft mark means government prevented tool business interests left wing government conventional liberal vote anti competitive regulations favor auto dealers hear libertarians desire limit incumbents terms weaken government eliminating power enforce antitrust laws desire eliminate legislator strikes ineffective insure auto dealers special interests influence public policy fact designed accomplish opposite mark steve hendricks domain steveh thing data uucp uunet thor steveh bulls hofferbert bell 
role national news media inflaming passions organization propulsion laboratory pasadena lines distribution nntp posting host beowulf nasa article cramer clayton cramer writes sick continual effort inflame passions americans playing trial completely sexist racist bashing realities seldom simple society tied ideologies conclusion stations riot happen verdict subtle preparing audience worst happen viewers commercials ready watch messages carlos favor superior position assigned white race abraham lincoln ames elroy devvax beowulf pituco carlos 
gore throws ball media coverage distribution organization associates lines article cray russ anderson writes article mwilson atlantaga mark wilson writes past thursday gore threw ball home opener atlanta braves news reports loudly booed norman typical beer swilling necks personally paid attention incident evening news describing event comment booed unusual normal audiences point celebrity delaying start game bunch crock heard incident thrower ceremonial ball booed quayle roundly booed milwaulkee year listening radio game quayle told brewers players play orioles alcs defending gore comparing quayle back back quayle begone paul havemann internet paul opinions caffeine brain milligrams cynical observation recommended minimum daily requirement reading 
clinton president nominate carter nuclear security post organization associates lines article clinton clinton gore writes white house office president release april president nominate carter nuclear security bill nominate pronounces jimmy drive nuts washington president announced today intends nominate ashton carter director harvard center science international affairs assistant secretary defense nuclear security counter proliferation emily litella voice mind paul havemann internet paul opinions caffeine brain milligrams cynical observation recommended minimum daily requirement reading 
employment concentrate child molesters organization exnet systems public access news london lines article mwilson atlantaga mark wilson writes xavier gallagher writes disagree logic true invent food shelter warmth invent property laws laws trespass guess xavier heard territoriality animals animals preditors stake territory chase members species invade territory case single lion ruling land south africa egypt congo memory serves correctly game feed lions lions hunt wanted died heart attack brought overweight good thing designs europe america north south falkland islands mark wilson xavier 
army fraction communique nntp posting host assn ualberta organization university alberta edmonton canada lines article cmort christopher morton writes quoted hallam desy phill hallam baker wonderfull people make sadistic indescriminate murder bader meinhof gang sound altruism phil remember people monitoring remember sense humor damn brother time thought revolutionaries blowing things killing innocent person process love proles dialectical materialism save killed fool 
limiting govt employment concentrate summary response paul schmidt organization free barbers lines nntp posting host thor article uucp paul schmidt writes steveh steve hendricks writes noted thread limiting govt problem libertarians face insuring limited government seek tool private interests pursue agenda liberals frequently opposed anti competitive measures conservatives competition necessarily protected actions business interests free market cite liberals pressed regulations good staunch conservative businessmen adam smith eloquently demonstrated free market capitalists seek protect profit elimination point made marx point agreement theorists government tool private interests limited government insure private interests government agenda agreed failure libertarianism fact utopia option single system perfect failure libertarianism ideology provide reasonable restrain actions utopian dreams marxism fails pure communism achieved state wither libertarians frequently fail show weakening power state result improvement human condition wise solution compare countries people live starvation hunger poverty misery find limitted government countries alot poverty misery suffering limitted government insure alternative government strawman argument fails grounds case limited government defined point lebanon somalia yugoslavia definitions nations limited government canada nations western europe people live pointed nations government libertarian point view argument limited government unlimited government government regulation capitalist economy serves worthwhile ends regulation desirable empirical grounds justifiable ideological grounds paul schmidt advocates government davy crockett chapter president steve hendricks domain steveh thing data uucp uunet thor steveh bulls hofferbert bell 
good neighbor political hypocrisy test organization southwest state univ lines nntp posting host smsu newsreader article mike michael thomas writes article jrbeach jeffry beach writes drugs legalized lower cost make safer start criterion determine legality people waste time battle legalization drugs prove idiotic idea good southwest missouri state parties running student body president token sorority fraternity faces president vice president norml campaigned handing condoms listing qualifications listen makes sick party established things ruining country year darin keener smsu idea catering splinter groups 
good neighbor political hypocrisy test organization toshiba america south francisco lines article jrbeach jeffry beach writes upset abortions continue expensive rich safe poor things supposed legal cost safety factor high case victimless crimes beat rape kill clear sociopath immoral hand smoke grass consenting adult manner illegal state morality immorality lifestyle choice doesn hurt doesn hurt person interfered drugs legalized lower cost make safer drugs legal alcohol coffee 
polls excuses slick willie record setting disapproval rati organization nasa langley research center hampton lines reply jason austin nntp posting host larc nasa reply libwca message article libwca bill anderson writes poll reason clinton approval rating people angry moving fast gays military burst laughing heard planet people live jason austin austin nasa dunno sounds pretty damned reasons pissed sample fellow memebers cultural elite jason quote poll questions bill give poll questions letter guess part session question approve clinton performance answer questions disapprove gays military issue answer conclusion clinton approval rating moving fast gays military group dedicated reporting news manufactured news polls jason 
stop sexularhumanistoppression beloved damn ferigner organization university illinois urbana champaign lines article vincent triumf pete writes article irvine uiuc brent irvine writes fight territorial dispute british canada stuff boundary dispute unresolved canadian coast guard vessels regularly infrequently detain fish boats disputed waters dixon entrance reason hear country interest aggravate quarrel country prepared back local political representatives constituents fishermen fishing rights disputed nations matter friendly fishing disputes fight slogan stuff dealing land dispute fight fishing rights territorial dispute oregon territory called long resolved fishing rights small potatoes personal opinions brent irvine irvine uiuc 
state justice organization acme products lines summary quest justice judge denied trial motion witnesses occupant truck dead impact fire thoughts kind scary realize judges start denying trials evidence contradicts facts previous ruling judge decided witnesses believed jury members previous jury parading talk shows proclaiming obvious bias judge verdict call trial happened jurors objective brett passionate vested interest disguised intellectual conviction sean casey white plague frank herbert 
good neighbor political hypocrisy test organization visionaire francisco lines article jrbeach jeffry beach writes article mike michael thomas writes article jrbeach jeffry beach writes article fogarty nasa fogarty writes upset abortions continue expensive rich safe poor things supposed legal cost safety factor high drugs legalized lower cost make safer start criterion determine legality people waste time battle legalization drugs prove idiotic idea justify prohibition drugs ensuing drugs world politics usenet crazy matter thought reading headlines justify atrocity individual rights justify drugs dare point pretty stupid justify legalizing safer cheaper chorus stupid ideas hold criterion prostitution killing funny farm patients aids victims elderly unemployed prisioners surely make taxes decrease paragraph gibberish make steve thomas steveth 
hunt marine bashing wilmington verdict article lynx organization northeastern university boston lines article mwilson atlantaga mark wilson writes feel defendents convicted evidence truely civil rights convicted evidence mind sufficient 
limiting govt employment concentrate reply rcollins organization encore computer corporation nntp posting host sysgem encore lines article steveh steve hendricks writes article slagle lockheed writes government preventing entry market desire running established businesses prevent restrict entry competitors understandable generally unpleasant human failing means desire government sufficient power restrict options potential competitor anti competitive desire remains unpleasant government linchpin seek disengage shaft mark means government prevented tool business interests left wing government conventional liberal vote anti competitive regulations favor auto dealers hear libertarians desire limit incumbents terms weaken government eliminating power enforce antitrust laws desire eliminate legislator strikes ineffective insure auto dealers special interests influence public policy fact designed accomplish opposite similar clinton timber summit health care problem picture randomly picked libertarian positions government allowed initiated force achieve goals special interest influence government initiated force behalf means reaching restricted government topic address briefly happen libertarianism dominate philosophy means make libertarianism dominate philosophy statists education monopoly creative advocates government reports seminar participants embrace libertarianism means lobby compulsory seminar attendance jest roger collins amazing governments world aspect government control final resort fails individual liberty andre marrou libertarian candidate president 
national sales movie nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall lines atboyken aaron boyken writes question true federal government imposed sales paid retail sales building levels production costs passed consumers reducing deficit happen palettable canada collected sales considered funnily previous hidden wholesale replaces referred people paid mind uproar brought front party campaigned hiding stated intent tories write deficit legislation include mechanism disbursing collected funds manner money sitting escrow involved releasing funds dilemna tories fiscal conservatives taxing spending made moves apply breaks runaway locomotive time term years chances term catching polls moderate slightly leftish business rivals liberals euro tories heir apparent leaders mantle termed clone hillary clinton souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
representation territories lunch reply cactus john haugh organization river parishes programming austin distribution lines article cwinemil lonestar chris winemiller writes knowledge handled past louisiana territory northwest territory areas states puerto rico population needed state ethnic puerto rico state loose state continue subsidize existence john haugh utexas bell cactus ponzi scheme good dictionary picture liberal handout stop federal spending deficit 
abortion feminist leader endorses trashing free speech rights organization ncsu lines article gordon fitch writes ncsu doug holtsinger writes arrested defying judge order abortion protest rally miami herald april circuit judge robert mcgregor order prohibits anti abortion pickets feet property line aware woman center choice street display pictures dead fetuses sing chant loud heard patients inside clinic years justice william douglas libertarian free speech similar issues wrote majority opinion supreme court turned appeal group people prohibited demonstrating front landlord home cite case give information able compare situations demonstrators blaring loud rock music landlord home night opinion justified court order prohibited abortion protesters displaying pictures dead fetuses disrupt privacy inside clinic pointed people free speech privacy homes public property korean grocery store owner york city free speech protesters store patrons inside store hear protesters shopping abortion protesters women abortion clinic harassment expression direct attack persons case workers clients clinic purpose convey information express opinion intimidate harm protesters speech considered harassment hate speech laws generally struck courts words kill baby abortion murder considered harassment anti abortionists lost battle public opinion psychopathic turned harassment arson bombing murder carry reason restrain protect ordinary civil rights protesters arrested simply praying quietly public sidewalk yeah equivalent bombing murder grip reality gordon fitch doug holtsinger 
study percentage disclaimer public access unix system university denver denver community university control responsibility opinions users organization public access unix denver math dept lines article kaldis rutgers theodore kaldis writes join pythagorean reform church repent evil irrational numbers bean eating ways accept heart call pythagorean reform church smacks antihispanic bigotry lentil eating legume eating suppose accept anti octal bigotry geez uncle fester gigolos giraffes politics thester good laugh 
signs aquarius pennsylvania avenue organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host alumni caltech article chaudhary amar amar chaudhary writes beaded curtains lovely esque touch aa lives canada europe japan manage provide health care citizens basic health human people entitled nations capitalist guess found capitalism sacred capitalist system socialism works capitalism process systematically dismantling socialistic health care systems privitization components make love hold wife respond aquarius white house peace love harmony south central yugoslavia long people world dead thrive protection police force peace make love shot contrary popular belief male feminist time discriminate deny equal opportunity majority population plain wrong force sort tradition role worse women offer world gender discrimination finally broken make revolutions past centuries reform bills forward ultimate statement equal rights feminazis forgotten care woman care black white care straight honistly care color race gender sexual preference track shoving differences face expect real long make care black female continue balk natural human behaviour moment employers searching employees banks lend money theclinton administration appointees honistly care color race gender sexual preferences instend treat human crap year riots continue happen acadamia rules barf economic theorists things sake convenience mathematical modeling assume wealth creation crack implementing thesis real life back textbooks macroeconomic theory chapter book introducing field macroeconomic theory chapter section statement difficult predict model wealth creation economy wealth creation inherently province individuals create inventions discover ideas assume rest book wealth creation assume lack weath creation real world mathematical modeling inherently unpredictable subject impossible assume wealth creation mathematical economic modeling assumption valid make predictions tested running store clinton company assuming wealth creation exists borrowing idea hitchhiker guide advanced simple things honist engineer years experience building bridges design bridge theoretical physicists freshly minted experience bill woody post read postings newsgroup reply message reply guess reply directly 
rational viewpoint study percentage organization generally favor random lines article stephen ucsc writes difficult young person develop build positive view themself constantly told implicitly explicitly wrong immoral true paragrapgh reflects position infers important positive view foolish mass murderer pedophile year pyromaniac positive view person engages behaviour large number people condemn concept society choice expect person negative view people love canal kind environmental disaster weird opinions mine rent cheap 
early start nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall lines patrick townson writes jury making announcement saturday morning pacific time eastern time ungodly hour making announcement west coast figure rioters asleep giving troops time move place actual verdicts authorities smart friday night fighting elton seal morning maximum daylight wear frustrate potential troublemakers give preparation time guess forward weekend rioting local news intern mayor angeles press conference saturday morning shown live news clock sports watch devils islanders game sportschannel announcement jury verdict judge jury assorted court personnel evacuated building helicopters landing roof courthouse walk front door heads held high cutovers knbc wnbc recall detail comment rioters surprise waiting wake today contact tells alert remain weekend elements find excuse guilty verdicts charges aiding abetting acquittals balance fact rodney king kind angel night speeding fleeing consideration street celebrations convictions excessive force charges koons incompetance powell overreacting guilty heck view nypd cops interviewed hand elements acquittals excuse challenge cops dumb move koreans scared people armed year commander nassau long island questioned people handled rodney king roll dirt tired handcuff souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
temper tantrums organization generally favor random distribution lines article garrett writes total ignorant asshole sign small mind filthy language articulate point case noticed conveniently edited stupid comment stands cambodia arguing vietnam cambodia toss boner boners ignorant asshole vietnamese agree damage cambodia people love canal kind environmental disaster weird opinions mine rent cheap 
study percentage organization generally favor random lines article brandeis writes conservatives putting effort showing figure make difference cares fact population justify discrimination golly whiz president policy force homosexuals acceptance thereof military polls showing consistent minority newsworthy tells fascist politics practiced people love canal kind environmental disaster weird opinions mine rent cheap 
cramer evidence organization generally favor random lines article gsmith heidelberg gene smith writes article phil phil ronzone writes libertarians state lives nambla members fuck boys libertarians fuck children make nambla fuck boys secret member nambla suddenly defending fuck children raped today phil wanting abolish consent repectable respectable posting university raised jewish physics committed anti semitic acts today kind boots wear libertarians state lives parents capable protecting children predations pedophiles disassociated member nambla people love canal kind environmental disaster weird opinions mine rent cheap 
national sales movie organization university toronto chemistry department lines article atboyken aaron boyken writes state local sales taxes sticker cleark ringing purchase button state local sales taxes include previous levels sales include previous levels difference amount government receives levels purchase price consumer intervening levels difference paid received remitted government question true federal government imposed sales paid retail sales building levels production costs passed consumers reducing deficit happen palettable infinitely preferable retail sails gerald 
billaryklintonkligue illegal lines operation somalia peacekeeping peaceenforcement operation force legal international higher operation occuring ageis united nations higher authority earth 
karadzic bosnia peace plan lines judge wopner karadzic trial nevah happen thought 
recent members lines czech republic republic slovakia admitted early year liechenstein recently admitted marino months incredible passes nation state nowadays 
united nations gettin busy lines chapter operation somlia chapter cambodia yugo bout time started force make peace happen world economics 
model united nations lines observed national model united nations word awsome peace matt 
kyle rodney king reply uchicago organization university chicago distribution lines article kkopp uiuc koppenhoefer kyle cramm writes fact bunch cops putting lives line afraid hell large black large amount punishment refused submit curious adjective important frank uchicago card moops school standard disclaimers 
lessons nazis david irving scholastic fraud lines reply hallam desy organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron experiment zeus hera responding post considered issues scope revisionism principally considered political implications racist ideology inevitable outcome tangentially relevant history revisionism directed followups principally consideration political lessons drawn history nazi party deal article kmcvay almanac mcvay writes dawidowicz points holocaust historians harvard university press nadir hitlerology reached david irving hitler amateur historian reputation german apologist writer regard accuracy truth measure notoriety irving produced page work intended show hitler kind animals secretaries weakest leader germany century murder jews murder committed back knowledge consent assume sake argument case hilter guilty mass murder aquiesced participated active ardent supporter important things realise nazis system evil single member created nazi party murder machine inevitably commit genocide strong prevent remember hitler originaly lead nazi party powerful oratory allowed party power hitler reneged emotiaonal expectations created ranks supporters replaced replaced guard beleived unable grasp intellectual implications rhetoric parties espouse nazi style race supremacy ideologies considered dangerous evil nazis idea race people inherently superior greatest goal humanity achieve racial perfection logical outcome chambers auschwitz nazi party simply tale supremely evil single lead entire country astray evil individuals evil system generating perpetuating hitler extreemly evil person built party arround cult centered demonstration power free political constraints propagandists worked hard assert myth racism produce strong government cure nations ills emphatically rejected accept distinction govenrment demonstrates strength able govern decisively manner beleives accept strong government displays strength made essential weakness important understand nazis stupid amoral sense lacked moral scruples acted manner spanish inquisition murder torture morality fault nazis lies axioms logic implementation axioms parties national front david dukes klux klan front assert truth axioms considered advocates system commit genocide conclusion hitler responsible imensely evil inescapable historical record important conclusion reached nazis espoused ideas basically correct unfortunate proponent evils concept race supremacy primary emphaticaly excuse individual culpability secondary matter promises made racist supremacist party election promises broken circumstances permit requires replacement leaders originally made pledges occur hatred supreme justifier creates dynamic government reign government politics method providing justification existence demonstration importance rhetoric hatred inevitably develops question action continued existence object hatred inevitably reminder essential impotence politician raid tripoli purpose demonstration power important realise quantum jump politics extreeme progression reinforcement popular predjudice action basis predjudice extreeme left trace route despotism assertion subjugation individual ideology important attempting understand dynamics political systems excuse participants leaders nation supreme moral burden voluntarily required stive task fundamental examination logical progression axioms conclusion moral crime taking duty obliged interest personal concerns personal security inevitable party nazis based hatred idolisation symbols power saught commit genocide inevitable succeeded member system ability create change possibility changing dynamic realising individual hope control system accepting individual affect system phill hallam baker phill hallam baker 
turkish preisident turgut ozal passed organization virginia tech computer science dept blacksburg lines nntp posting host csugrad turkish president turgur ozal passed today heart attack ankara ozal years bahadir acuner acunerbb 
swimming pool defense reply uchicago organization university chicago lines article dasmith harvard david smith writes granted simple fact holding improve kids chances future city hold minimum wage money made dealing drugs suburban hold minimum wage money made dealing drugs surburban kids hold minimum wage jobs city kids give chance reason city kids incapable legitimate work frank uchicago card moops school standard disclaimers 
early start nntp posting host chopin udel organization university delaware lines article ptownson writes jury making announcement saturday morning pacific time eastern time ungodly hour guess news government wanted hear police officers found innocent week jury hung good news government point view desparately needed scapegoats angeles wrong accounts making announcement west coast figure rioters asleep giving troops time move place rioter participate riot happen people early listen court announcement guess forward weekend rioting disappoint mayor angeles press conference saturday morning announcing jury give verdict morning hour write verdict told press conference rioting stopped dead tracks told statement announcement jury verdict judge jury assorted court personnel evacuated building helicopters landing roof courthouse walk front door heads held high jury duty solemn duty meant source pride instant fame rioters surprise waiting wake today people early court hear verdict found justice served dire cynical predictions imagine surprised patrick townson 
concentrate child molesters organization university virginia lines article walsh mark walsh writes difference running business affairs actively ripping people charging homosexuals becuase people aids disease actively ripping people greg hennessy university virginia usps mail astronomy department charlottesville internet uucp uunet virginia 
concentrate child molesters organization university virginia lines article cramer clayton cramer writes describes straights homosexual males provide evidence ahve massive selection effects thought slander part greg hennessy university virginia usps mail astronomy department charlottesville internet uucp uunet virginia 
good neighbor political hypocrisy test nntp posting host chopin udel organization university delaware lines article jrbeach jeffry beach writes article mike michael thomas writes pragmatic standpoint justification vice people commit criminalize alcohol legalization alcohol making damn easy vast social historical differences alcohol drugs make comparison worthless meaningless statement makes 
role national news media inflaming passions organization university virginia lines theodore kaldis writes women wear miniskirts wearing underwear prostitutes suppose sluts nope nice women good friends rape dress clayton kaldis engaging hominem arguments calling names ignorant hominem argument provided absolutely evidence chump provided quote judge greg hennessy university virginia usps mail astronomy department charlottesville internet uucp uunet virginia 
american express lines organization university tennessee division continuing education article rwojcik boeing richard wojcik writes article john john moore writes papresco math uwaterloo paul prescod writes canada fewer shootings mass murder twenty years problems world largest undefended boarder happy countries world canada illustrates control effect fact suprising difference easy smuggle amazing fact control reason crime rate idiot smuggle guns canada time paul make point idiot doesn surely idiots smuggle guns paul feel exis tence stricter control laws deterrent effect strange argument make canada violent crime rate general lower crime rate greater entire crime rate strange suggest result control laws looked find specific cultural enforcement reasons rate reasons applied rates easily criminally guns legally purchased stolen purchase legally restrictions legal possession effect reducing related crimes fact find idea punished steal commit crime silly solution address question canada blaming rising crime rate strange border magically guns makes sense makes sense side coin illegal drugs purchases legally stolen people purchase legally convinced guns commodity criminals shown perfectly illegal sources stolen police military civilian simply south american sources drugs start smuggling guns thriving manufacturing industry closer crime statistics realize crime rate high guns issue directly contradicted nejm study compared crime seattle vancouver rates roughly cities difference violent crime rates totally related pointed study critiques seperate articles james wright david kopel mind pointed difference minority related crime rate skyrocketed poor minorities blacks hispanics primarily compared white majority virutally identical problem nejm study compared minority minority percentages failed account relative conditions minorities eqaul percentage nomn whites failed account whites city living conditions situation based availability guns expect white rates groups arguably fairly comparative cities higher rate seattle majority seattle significantly higher minorities excluded slightly lower violent crime highly concentrated city surprise pick area highest incidence poverty drug disease rates lower suburbia middle class folks ignore problem point city problems mirrored canada condition significantly canada violent crime highly correlated area suggesting control source canada rate highly questionable canadian pointed talk politics guns canada major control result reduction slowing increase violent crime rates rising steadily apparently mirror large drop violent crime early eighties violent crime occurs areas strict control post ergo propter areas implemented control high rates true extent washington control instituted crime problems true crime proceeded explode similarly york question simply point time crime high control significantly positively impact violent crime areas faster simply dismiss high crime rate control caused control instituted deal high crime crime positively impacted continually crime rate control crime rate increased control implemented happened canada similar worse rates exist cities poor control expected violent crime generally independent control jury question recent tough laws washington alleviated violence suicide rates laws made manufacturers liable guns suddenly police found sell david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
fillibuster lines organization university tennessee computing center article hallam desy phill hallam baker writes article david veal writes article hallam desy phill hallam baker writes article david veal writes federalist papers propaganda difficult determine precisely maddison couple ways support constitution appeal straightforward suggested constitution good idea primary situation point make pains point consitution aginst yorker interests raise opposition basing advocacy unpopular principles horrors appealing popular principles question constitution written appeal principles written mind propoganda supporters honest time brought valid points arguments simply propogranda phill means arguments designed convince hamilton dyed wool monarchist authoritarian extreme jefferson democratic impules suggest means determining opinions government wrote government propose means exists determining true opinions true opinions died today opinions slightest bearing matter arguments true false true false regardles earth make point calling propogranda irrelevent difficulty posters arguments flawed longer apply modern societies argument questioning longer apply good arguments happy situation applied minority time sufficient invalidate alive today opinion count express careful study mechanisms government ongoing improvement required gave opinions areas proved areas wrong ensured mechanism adapt improve consititution happen willingness accept structural problems political system require constitutional change solution constitution basis political system require constitutional change case fillibuster matter procedure tradition made part constitution senate powerful house lords state house representatives fact british government greater power american system principle practice principle power power british government today theoreticaly dependent monarch convention monarch seeking exercise power deposed subtly prime minister able identify politics national interest manner presidents regularly phill discusing power legislative houses prime minister member parliament analgous badly president explain house representatives principle powerful house lords senate practice suggesting writers constitution intended powerful gosh darn thing ratified realized forgotten extra restrictions senate disagree system slow simply designed handle demanded handle washington forget congress city council reason level government rendered unable decisions decisions pushed higher level entry level political science people laws implemented choose level government attack presents chance national interest groups simply rational thing federal government enact states people persuade contributions make concerned abortion primarily concentrate federal level simply battle state battlefields extension extends insurance medicine questions local government failed dominated local interests local interests localities abide rules rules past local government clout wrong place appeal higher level impose lower real congres united states deciding traffice light pattern carjacking federal opposed local crime people congress power sell votes rise special interests coincidence increased power congress congress capable quick action power time hands confined original jurisidiction allowed local autonomy start social welfare model current state subsidy motto plenty state money handed problem distributed basis power congress basis actual bingo higher governmental ladder actual matters political power concentrated higher levels people cloud find reduced effectiveness order school project york state states pork defense contracts agricultural subsidies precise states beat filibuster simply leave york education york remain unconcinved state union capable educating children leave worry pork state industries concentrate political power wealth divide states individual voices relative impact problem fillibuster states congress acquired power sell pork case system government created failing operating conditions specifically wanted avoid concentration power proper thing reduce power house attempt grease wheels system moves quicker stupid things make sense make decisions local level break machine free seizure redirect earth redirect sell pork things congress congres authority sell pork retains authority enact national legislation granted jurisdiction pork problem significantly reduced current blocks power simply absolve congress responsibility decision current blocks essentially state inaction preferable action system weighted action government institution sole power enforce decisions force bias making decisions good thing pushing decisions lower pyramid work lower levels corrupt cases worse difference lower pyramid legal legitimate authority matters constitution federal government lower levels power harder concentrate benefit imposing deicisons national decision congressional action treats entire country similar problems areas solutions called agree decisions local state reps make option city council shooting mouth majority laws made accessible people hang washington half million constituents curious base assumption lower levels corrupt fail restrictions implied veto easily read means check democratically popular unwise executive opinion policies arguing federalist papers point phill brought federalist papers arguing fillibuster minority senators allowed hold bill claimed senate suppose powerful house contended constitution writings brought decide founders wanted based federalist papers argued argued primarily referred constitution places small restrictions senate house constitution reasoning work part reason bear arms ammendment regulated militia justification ambiguous constitution nuts bolts document delcaration independence high brow reasoning couple examples reasoning power reasoning power grant permits article section veto meant exceptional measure fact senate president meant revise legislation chambers legislature separation powers distinct extend veto intended inevitable congress abuse power make bills unlike people worrying veto fine problem congress necessitates abuse limit constitution president veto power bill previous presidents veto number reasons agenda curious single bush president abused vetos record vetos bush phill absurd bush vetos ridden read resembling record reasonable restriction senators magic holy number laws based senators feel safe state constituencies stand fillibuster sufficient question good idea evaluate point fact majority opposed minority minority allowed default inherently wrong biasing system action historically governemnt action dealing issues bare minority large minority successful position imposing federal power diverse people federal government bare majority earth sufficient enact covers million people diverse places living radically conditions shouldn super majority required bill issue money bill relating short term proposal switching general question fillibuster specific bill make difference change presupposition favour status arguable arguable theyr arguing requiring bring vote ensures good argument based solely party lines system simple majority absolute power ignore minority minority positive thing republicans pork democrats legitimate objections legislation question system minority automatically superior completely happy system requires minority action history history carving population groups implementing piece meal minorities feel minorities sufficent clout prevent action feel strongly tiny minority advocate minority capable initiating actionm problem biasing federal system action david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
swimming pool defense lines organization pitzer college article uchicago frank writes article dasmith harvard david smith writes granted simple fact holding improve kids chances future city hold minimum wage money made dealing drugs suburban hold minimum wage money made dealing drugs surburban kids hold minimum wage jobs city kids give chance reason city kids incapable legitimate work suppose correct answer family values pose mind king sparky banaian young kbanaian claremont white dept economics pitzer college morning smile latest forecast face homer wrote iliad souza 
verdict rodney king organization gordian costa mesa lines federal civil rights trial police officers accused violating rodney king civil rights history lawrence powell guilty stacey coons guilty theodore brazenio innocent timothy wind innocent sentencing slated august appeals expected calm michael thomas mike bambi eyes flame thrower hobbes calvin usnail irvine santa heights pabell 
study percentage organization university virginia lines article phil phil ronzone writes tells fascist politics practiced ending discrimination fascism greg hennessy university virginia usps mail astronomy department charlottesville internet uucp uunet virginia 
abolish selective service organization dept cornell univ ithaca lines reply william cornell nntp posting host fractl cornell article borden harvard dave borden writes selective service registration abolished start draft immoral agree military experts agree quality armed forces superior volunteer army draftees finally government lists computers social security admistration motor vehicle registries find maintaining list people utter waste money time department reduce deficit dave borden borden harvard selfish bastard afraid sacrafice somthing country approve lone immoral people current president idea country exists years 
study percentage nntp posting host bolero reply starowl organization service actuarial consulting newsreader version lines greg hennessy observed article phil phil ronzone writes tells fascist politics practiced ending discrimination fascism called truman forced integration armed forces opposition congress american public time michael adams starowl rahul enterprise alabama tilting windmills hurts windmills lazarus long 
study percentage organization university rochester rochester york lines nntp posting host uhura rochester kaldis rutgers theodore kaldis writes bolsters contention homosexuals liars statement blatantly disgusting free implicit neural activity completely ignore join pythagorean reform church repent evil irrational numbers bean eating ways accept heart call pythagorean reform church smacks antihispanic bigotry sigh amusing watch bigots point fingers imagine bigots person meant bean counting suggest hispanics beans monopoly eating beans person promoting tongue cheek brain fingers type drywid andrew simchik schnopia rochester treewater words made cowards happy rhodes 
swimming pool defense nntp posting host tochtli biochem organization northwestern university evanston illinois lines article kbanaian pitzer claremont king banaian writes article uchicago frank writes article dasmith harvard david smith writes granted simple fact holding improve kids chances future city hold minimum wage money made dealing drugs suburban hold minimum wage money made dealing drugs surburban kids hold minimum wage jobs city kids give chance reason city kids incapable legitimate work suppose correct answer family values pose mind assuming families city family values hope 
study percentage nntp posting host uhura rochester organization university rochester rochester york lines dans uiuc writes brian brian drakula stone writes grind scientist hate statistics abused pity statistics justify targeting persecuting minority male times life virgin hetero woman life wife pleasing able hope feeling wanted experience joys trials committed life marriage makes commitment greater expect tree makes queers experience commitment stopping committing partner rest lives intention find person person male female doubt church ceremony public licence make difference whatsoever sort commitment experience person conception difference marriage makes statistics prove criminals default hetero forget culture sadly society homosexuality normal aware alot people condemn result population encouraged develop promiscuous relationships fact roadblocks committed relationships heterosexual community puts blocks perpetuate claim gays immoral allowed gays marry raise children find moral idea careful making statements part solution problem thoughts flame flames drywid andrew simchik schnopia rochester treewater words made cowards happy rhodes 
kyle rodney king distribution organization university illinois urbana lines uchicago frank writes article kkopp uiuc koppenhoefer kyle cramm writes fact bunch cops putting lives line afraid hell large black large amount punishment refused submit curious adjective important curious beign statement cross posted news groups including lines discrimination rodney king black large large black male friends referred large black faces large number adjectives spare personal flame wars action cross posting total start crap trite game play 
study percentage nntp posting host uhura rochester organization university rochester rochester york lines rscharfy ohio state ryan scharfy writes gays gays claim forget partners wondering laid english quote promiscuous option living straight life social pressures lose wager supporting argument part fact homosexuality comparatively high hitler storm troopers power triangles hitler devout christian heterosexual drywid andrew simchik schnopia rochester treewater words made cowards happy rhodes 
race violence organization netcom line communication services guest distribution lines alan filipski writes city phoenix small black population black people responsible disproportionate amount violent crime yesterday black robbed cafeteria beat employees apparent reason shot dead cooperative days full black opened fire young white couple baby possibly driving baby slightly injured incidents unusual white person starts racial prejudice teaches prejudiced hard avoid based observations instinct preservation taught children racial prejudice wrong mistaken counteract effect kinds incidents answer work racial prejudice incidents fanning flames deny racial prejudice rational response environment thought hope integration based ignoring race treating person individual preach divisiveness emphasizing race validate racism actions lead alan filipski corp camelback road phoenix internet uucp uunet phone alan start teaching children perpetrators crimes represent black community racist hateful whites represent majority culture ethnic minorities fallen trap struggling trap easy good idea realize demographics related crimes speak race socioeconomic status disenfranchisement find higher crime community comprised ethnic group subgroup dysfunctional factors leading dysfunction ethnic minorities socioeconomic disenfranchisement lived area blacks poor generations whites crime statistics reflecting dysfunction white people worry whther children begin whites undesireable trap springs action innate compunction define raises voice trap dangerous stop listen voice stop thinking rational humans interesting blacks traditionally criminal element urban areas racial makeup phoenix speak situation live francisco city loves tout ethnic diversity black gangs hispanic gangs asian model minority gangs white gangs asian gangs troublesome element enforcement propensity engaging organized criminal activities people street times black gangs crime fear disturbance angeles year rioters looters black white remember amazed television news scenes showed looting mobs blacks perceptions gleaned news corroborated numerous friends relatives live angeles country multi ethnic riot face face online discussion minds america popular perception black riot closing raise interesting points discussion country spent long ignoring racism attendant ills part culture people afraid face hurtful truths problem compounded daily afford longer depends changing current denial repression children people colors luck avoiding trap peace brother hokh crystal wind storm mdouglas storm data michael douglas llyr data life player litany long 
good neighbor political hypocrisy test nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article steveth steve thomas article rscharfy ohio state ryan scharfy writes legalizing sticking drugs stations bought cigarettes plain silly find silly find silly black humor spending billions dollars risking lives freedoms american save bunch choice druggies find silly letters arguments everbody thinks true drug possibly drug stations marijuana derivitives drug kill nature drugs decision making skills differs asprin flinstone vitamins penicilin sold counter drunk driving alchoholic problem country marijuana legal undoubtedly people problem people stupid hurt people ryan 
good neighbor political hypocrisy test nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article steveth steve thomas article jrbeach jeffry beach writes article steveth steve thomas rites working good stop people screwed head issue friend drugs legal legal continue issue illegal drugs screwed idiot problems harm hand threat life livelyhood sacrafice idiot problem ballooning number addicts problems hillary white house administration feels pain lower taxation government advocating partisan issue harm drives school full kids train stoned drives sidewalk kills people lives welfare rest life ridiculous imagine stupid forgive flaming soo obvious cases caused legal drug alcohol people killed alcohol related accidents drugs combined people access alchohol legal problem bite sending slimy bastards chair selling drugs kids yeah send city viable means make money turns selling drugs crowded federal prison learns real crime selling crack neighborhood helping demise drug money pumped blights affluent crime steal drugs bring money community business drugs illegal economy underground drugs legal neighborhood legally hell sustaining underground economy proliferate constant willful infusion money drug laws underground economy large scale crime made murder legal murder crime kids cities faced tough life growing selling drugs fingertips instantly kids choose selling drugs sell products people make money rich white kids suburbs prison hardened criminals learn stealing stereos suburbs police forces spending money city saving people bring examples crack babies whathaveyou solution laws crack illegal crack babies legally social problem great worth destroying freedom america destruction freedom answer social problem walk street night america drugs freedom ryan 
signs aquarius pennsylvania avenue organization university virginia lines regard woody post thought remind midst tirade academia member generation crap reagan cronies started deficit brilliant laffer curve open minds ideas directly address problems gigantic federal deficit debt continue economy expand remember woody complaining academia laffer implemented policy stockman approved fully aware numbers adding reagan completing largest century generation jesse 
drugs legalized good neighbor nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article wdstarr liam december starr writes article rscharfy ohio state ryan scharfy legalizing sticking drugs stations bought cigarettes plain silly heard recommended dosage drugs crack ecstasy chrystal meth minute report worked cocaine cigarettes heroin government adopt radical unamerican idea citizens free live lives simply decriminalize cocaine marijuana heroin explain idea allowing recreational drugs bought cigarettes plain silly works fine nicotine yeah cancer pretty cool ryan 
study percentage lines cramer clayton cramer writes santa rosa press democrat april male survey activity natonal study male sexual behavior examination american sexual practices published kinsey report decades shows percent surveyed engaged homosexual percent considered exclusively homosexual article numbers number sexual partners median number sexual partners woman hypothesis trust report people idea median bullshit article reported times week times fill questionnaires statistics consideration class backgrounds marital status information sampling compared table posted masters johnson kolodny showing male homosexual partners apparent homosexual dramatically promiscuous general male population shame breakdown compare lightly secondary data discutible surveys straight show dramatically promiscuous shows dramatically ignorant press release writers pople read paolo 
magazine health care reform march nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall lines harel doctors hospitals private canada western europe harelb cornell harel barzilai grad brown writes camille colatosti magazine bottom march single payer model called national health insurance eliminates private insurance companies removes health care employment government free health care residents pocket costs wrong countries pure public health insurance canada enclosed socialized medicine costs private supplementary insurance copayments france magazine summer edition fantastic presentation basic insurance coverage including sample chart copayment percentages days covered public hospital rate afterward extra private insurance private hospital covered differences public hospital rate public insurance covers days cash amount private hospital difference paid pocket supplementary private insurance french form extra private insurance health costs europe private funds gleaned taxes figures combined public private expenditures total outlay methods yield figure french deductibles copayments insurance fund credit minority advocating back canada make canadian insurance real health insurance reform party breakoff traditionalists conservatives mildly libertarian faction hold public health insurance untouchable people reminded free average canadian european fiscally naive american counterparts issues people favour copayments forget leftists conservatives attack canadian newsgroups make real insurance insurance payment hidden unlike france socialized medicine american conservatives libertarians canadian leftists call canadians worried americans spend worried french germans spend insurance things paid general funds physicals insurance policies sick notes electrolysis reason canadian health insurance spiralled control open universal unlike americans urge spend benefits worth culture play model managed competition leaves place elements current health care system reformers criticize private profit insurance industry employer based system coverage managed competition compels employers enroll workers large pools health insurance customers entire industries sponsor pool network insurance companies doctors hospitals health care providers pool business competing theory basis price quality managed care relies unknown western nations public health insurance canada france germany canadian german father approaches left east germany controls costs managers strangling doctors budget strings canada public health insurance approach france germany private doctors private public hospitals pure insurance divisions germans couple hundred interlinked sickness funds century canada divides provinces insurance fund local fees doctors monopoly federal funds cover fees disbursed open ended system surprise canada costs insurance expensive french germans approach larger populations compact geography improve scales economy souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
myths national health insurance nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall lines harelb cornell misc activism progressive moderator writes fcus health myths national health insurance office visit seattle vancouver canada things government power bargain doctors hospitals fees difference litigation environment reflected fees lack defensive medicine absence malpractice spend expensive approach pure insurance canada france germany admitted malpractice insurance fees order magnitude lower canada doctors home equal american doctors minimal bureaucracy system simple early march part deal insurance approach french germans criticize france germany people french german college make accusations stick preserve doctors independance provincial wings schedule hikes presented politically bent doctors cackling realized grow strength diminish unopposed unlike socialized medicine approaches britain national health service remember waiting list obvious poor insurance surgeon states ration ability life threatening things market arguments adequately cover procedures scarcer demand friends make living specialists back manitoba insurance rates customers medical monopoly grip doctors licencing move larger places refute debunking waiting lines urgent routine care consumers reports health policy studies cited prof dennis shea usenet doug fierro posted article weeks canada health insurance approach talk politics medicine small error article hospitals private wouldn national health insurance americans fully insured settle canada provincial insurance covers health costs dental care eyeglasses prescription drugs ambulance service private hospital rooms canadians buying private insurance policy cover things runs month thing note canada france germany case private insurance offloaded basic coverage public sector realized keeping risk high profit extra insurance things private semi private rooms ward accomodation dental glasses corporate personal benefits covered basic care point voucher approach broker universal coverage sell policies make difference federal guidelines market stuff wouldn free care encourage people doctor ache pain people free treatment doctor hospital share medical bills canadians doctor lower person health bill free deductibles copayments things advocate make canadian insurance real health insurance working alberta ontario quebec aware paying health insurance toronto ohip fees listed stub manitoba collect paycheque time annually income time built rate fiscal naifs proclaim free canadian left part brainwashing agenda french copayments france magazine summer edition fantastic presentation basic insurance coverage including sample chart copayment percentages days covered public hospital rate afterward extra private insurance private hospital covered differences public hospital rate public insurance covers days cash amount private hospital difference paid pocket supplementary private insurance french form extra private insurance health costs europe private funds gleaned taxes figures combined public private expenditures total outlay methods yield figure private health insurance industry powerful kill dismantling health segment insurance industry politically thorny quiet words advocate national plan firms sell billion health insurance hard fight industry grown eightfold canada shut health insurers government leaves politicians open lobbyists canada parliamentary system health insurance exist canada western europe cover basic care canada germany uninsured result people market private insurance realized money make risks involved basic insurance neurosurgery versus deluxe amenities call granada replace rental fritz private hospital room started back social responsibility quebec spring consortium private insurers publicly warned thoughts privatizing routine cost parts province public health insurance plan souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
fcus health payer system nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall distribution lines ujsnyder msuvx memstvx bitnet missouri writes mention working canadians taxes free health care system average daily worker salary taxes canada free health care pretty lucky working alberta ontario quebec aware paying health insurance toronto ohip fees listed seperately stub canadian favours lower taxes cutbacks spending health insurance table polls july polls conducted macleans major english newsmagazine decima research decima president allen gregg considered world poll researchers mulroney conservatives relied power face impossible election situations chance year version library previous americans started assault disinformation shown satisfaction switching american private system support statistical noise decima polls considered definitive reform party breakoff traditionalists conservatives mildly libertarian faction hold public health insurance untouchable people reminded free average canadian european fiscally naive american counterparts issues personally feel universal health insurance approach canada france germany paying private health providers nominally free market unlike america minus depends values societies basic health life viewed market insurance market address basic health care viewed level ownership americans plenty room left expenditure private funds extra insurance lastly noises canadian system costs fact system bankrupt explain canadian readers understand concur souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
clinton president radio interview pittsburgh organization artificial intelligence lines nntp posting host life white house office press secretary pittsburgh pennsylvania release april interview president michael whitely kdka radio pittsburgh pittsburgh international airport pittsburgh pennsylvania listening kdka radio mike whitely kdka radio news pittsburgh international airport president united states bill clinton area kdka president mike glad things talk amount time news breaking angeles guess entire country kind holding breath wondering happen trial angeles police officers heard officers sergeant sergeant koon officer powell found guilty officers found guilty situation building year trial trial verdict thoughts morning situation angeles connection administration president american people trial judgment tribute work judgment jury efforts federal government developing case officers complex standards proof complicated jury decided convict sergeant responsible supervising officers officer film beating jury acquitted officer kicked rodney king plainly shield blows officer rookie appears justice acknowledged civil rights violated american people pride hope begin ahead focus things importance bring country violate civil rights american importance renewing fight crime important recognize poorest areas angeles cities country people worried police abuse worried crime time renewed efforts community policing police officers street pass brady bill require waiting period people handgun things reduce vulnerability people violence drugs point make rededicate economic revitalization cities economically distressed areas angeles wanted problems laid ambitious program campaign bring private investment public investment bear cities dispatched commerce secretary brown california strategies state biggest state highest unemployment rate applied country talk attorney general head naacp reverend jackson people decide regard angeles cities country talk brings pittsburgh area today guess discussion capitol hill stimulus package locked battle yesterday earlier radio address made moves break gridlock brings pittsburgh allegheny county pennsylvania battle president reasons pittsburgh allegheny county pennsylvania supported election wanted direction economic policy passed economic plan country budget years previous reduced deficit time increased investment jobs education health care things make stronger country addition asked congress short spend money modest amount money create half million jobs year half unemployment rate half percent spark creation private sector plan passed house support majority senate present time republican senators bloc filibustering bill vote senator specter vote bill senator dole republican leader pressure republicans stay hitched bill increases deficit doesn bill spending targets congress approved including republicans year bill paid budget cuts years bill designed give jump start economy republican senators holding bush president voted billions dollars emergency spending kind totally unrelated creating jobs break logjam held olive branch offered compromise americans work show changing direction country purpose bill touch senator specter office president talk regularly white house congressional liaison operation senators open senator specter senator amato york senator jeffords vermont senator hatfield oregon jobs economy paying budget cuts life budget presented appeal deficit increase truth paying budget cuts life budget years importantly program spending targets congress approved year years republicans voting republicans voting things important putting american people back work hope political issue people country jobs questions people supported people skeptical administration hopes fears people supported voted pennsylvania glad white house incredible process problems gridlock beginning work pull skeptics knew president people remember frankly moving fast budget resolution congress passed fastest passed budget resolution history setting year budget targets moving rapidly working political reform welfare reform health care reform wide range things operation expect turn overnight years produce conditions victory received people november turn days making real real progress urge people discouraged battle happen overnight moving changing things president united states bill clinton live pittsburgh international airport mike whitely kdka news 
clinton president radio address organization artificial intelligence lines nntp posting host life white house office press secretary pittsburgh pennslyvania release april radio address nation president pittsburgh international airport pittsburgh pennsylvania president good morning voice coming morning facilities oldest radio station america kdka pittsburgh visiting city meet personally citizens discuss plans jobs health care economy wanted weekly broadcast american people told station broadcast reported year presidential elections past decades presidents found ways touch people whistle stop tours fire side chats tour adopted vice president gore year campaign saturday morning time talk fellow americans problems minds solve reporting giving hold accountable washington government economy moving years paralysis policy experiment trickle economics important make bold comprehensive business live competitive global economy nations rise fall skills workers competitiveness companies imagination industries cooperative experience spirit exists business labor government economies industrialized world suffering slow growth made smart investments tough choices government long moving ahead people falling economy today grows producing jobs increased debt nation times years show wages working people stopped rising people working longer work weeks families longer afford escalating cost health care tools incentives encouragement workers businesses make kinds products profits economy expand opportunity make communities places live critical products today americans cost high quality producers task make create kinds jobs months gave congress plan long term jobs economic growth priorities washington puts emphasis people real increasing investments jobs education cutting federal deficit stopping waste pays dividends redirecting precious resources investment creates jobs lays groundwork robust economic growth future directions passed congress record time created sense hope opportunity country jobs plan presented congress create hundreds thousands jobs private sector passed house representatives support majority united states senate held filibuster minority senate senators blocked vote result passage bill creation jobs issue politics issue people millions americans waiting legislation counting counting washington jobs bill grounded gridlock american people tired business usual politics usual spin wheels recovery moving step break gridlock extra mile yesterday offered size plan percent billion billion hoped million americans full time work simply bill languish compromise bill hundreds thousands jobs people mandate achieve change move country forward taking initiative face unrelenting senate talkathon respond mandate achieve significant portion original goals programs needed generate jobs meet human including highway road construction summer jobs young people immunization children construction waste water sites small businesses funding extended unemployment compensation benefits people unemployed long time economy creating jobs recommended programs bill board percent recommended element program immediately start attempt fight crime providing million cities towns rehire police officers lost jobs recession back work protecting people fight tough crime bill people country deserve people filibustering bill republican senators vote increases deficit spending extra spending year approved sounds reasonable program paid budget cuts year budget budget spending limits approved congress year amazing senators filibustering bill voted previous administration billions dollars kind emergency spending designed american people work deficit spending offered plan deficit priorities people politics mind jobs bill paid dollar dollar paid budget cuts soundest investment make children urge americans jobs investment program benefits helped make american partners working ensure future nation strength economy american wanted problems country today bill miracle modest step creation explosion country step fully paid life budget lawmakers important bill passes winners good morning listening 
study percentage organization welsh farm nntp posting host obelix gaul lines article kaldis rutgers theodore kaldis writes properly write promiscuous answer homosexuals answer homosexuals heterosexual bisexuals simply lots people tzoq good speller tzoq rhode island redekop gaul junyer bear bernoulli content 
fight clinton administration invasion privacy organization university toronto chemistry department lines article casimir palowitch writes clinton administration manage digital encryption includes proposal limit encryption standard developed technical details remain classified government allowed happen unfair call blame clinton administration initiative underway bush administration basically bipartisan effort establishment demopublicans republicrats bipartisan effort brought scandal bcci gerald 
hunt marine bashing wilmington verdict distribution world organization gordian knot gloster lines mitre shum writes article wolfe durham civil rights typical typical principle reasonable doubt upheld north carolina count state favor reasonable doubt dates back human rights time civil rights civil rights issued state strings attached choose grantor rights means verdicts determined state guilt innocence traditional sense subjective objective make harder anticipate sacrificed wrong inadvertantly small price common good cutter mind chris jobs easy person holt 
study percentage organization community access unix internet project lines article rscharfy ohio state ryan scharfy writes article lfoard virginia wrence foard writes article cramer clayton cramer writes santa rosa press democrat april male survey activity natonal study male sexual behavior examination american sexual practices published kinsey report decades shows percent surveyed engaged homosexual percent considered exclusively homosexual figures homosexuality study released wednesday alan guttmacher institute significantly lower percent figure part conventional wisdom published kinsey report gays gays claim checked person elected representative gaydom ascribe thing representing member straight community interesting reaction million queers gather washington million event unprecidented history dream abortion african american civil rights rallies bring half point million queers start wondering validity study join pythagorean reform church repent evil irrational numbers bean eating ways accept heart call pythagorean reform church 
study percentage organization community access unix internet project lines article kaldis rutgers theodore kaldis writes article lfoard virginia lawrence foard writes bolsters contention homosexuals liars study proved wrong proves heterosexuals liars unlike propaganda spouted percent figure backed study time study correct time double checking happen alan guttmacher institute funded planned parenthood qualifies bastion conservatism family values found invalid funded planned parenthood interesting reaction million queers gather washington million event unprecidented history preassumes million queers show april ahead make promote number surely greater embarrassment slap face homosexual activists crowds smaller million point stands population place unprecidented million show raise doubts study resolve unprecidented human history noticed slick willie town target march presidents speak civil rights marchs nice republicans conservative democrats notice join pythagorean reform church repent evil irrational numbers bean eating ways accept heart call pythagorean reform church smacks antihispanic bigotry amusing history math join pythagorean reform church repent evil irrational numbers bean eating ways accept heart call pythagorean reform church 
limiting govt employment concentrate summary limited governments versus failed governments organization boomer lines nntp posting host thor article tamu grinch writes article steveh steve hendricks writes strawman argument fails grounds case limited government defined point lebanon somalia yugoslavia definitions nations limited government canada nations western europe people live pointed nations government libertarian point view explaining difference linited government failed government limited government powers circumscribed fully capable enforcing decisions circumscribed areas failed government incapable enforcing decisions sporadicly completely beasts faces question circumscribes government power circumscribed complex society interest capitalists consumers refrain government power ends conundrum society failed government ideal setting libertarian ideals implemented suppose occur argument limited government unlimited government government regulation capitalist economy serves worthwhile ends regulation desirable empirical grounds justifiable ideological grounds regulation vauge word call vague call elastic regulation necessarily opposing government regulation libertarians treat system command economy regulate free markets identical reason rest find analysis simplistic grinch steve hendricks domain steveh thing data uucp uunet thor steveh bulls hofferbert bell 
limiting govt employment concentrate summary feasibility considered organization free barbers lines nntp posting host thor article tamu grinch writes article steveh steve hendricks writes case case basis cost benefit ratio government regulation worthwhile libertarian agenda call assessment assumes costs regulation kind outweigh benefits approach avoids sorts difficult analysis strikes rest dogmatic assume analyzing cost benefit ratio government regulation case case basis worthwhile suggest option regulators regulate option suggests analysis left regulators fact inventing government movement cost benefit approach analysis public spending libertarians learn pass amendment prevent liscensing laws valid assuming convince people good idea eliminating liscensing laws serve good purpose vast majority maintaining worthwhile assuming feasible strikes feasible approach feasible wholesale attack government regulation licensing treats cutting hair practicing medicine equivalent tasks objection analysis medical care education national defense local police suggests free market provide effective efficient means accomplishing social objectives provided statist approaches notable exceptions nitty gritty worthwhile analysis carried professed libertarians note examples tend government areas approval libertarians areas public spending strike generating substantial support libertarians police defense interesting committed libertarians claim principle coercion areas public spending frequently support involve hiring people guns hmm objectionable government expenditures entitlements biggest individuals suggest considered defense grounds sort danegeld revolutionaries personally feel fear alliance geezers unwed mothers sheltered life suggest revolutionaries frequently generate support acting protectors geezers mothers children governments ignore people grounds fear peril grinch steve hendricks domain steveh thing data uucp uunet thor steveh bulls hofferbert bell 
propaganda fillibuster lines organization university tennessee computing center article hallam desy phill hallam baker writes article veal david veal writes article hallam desy phill hallam baker writes simply propogranda phill means arguments designed convince make secret stated explicitly posts political propagandist numerous occasions posting group wrong group numerous occasions stated beleive factions lobby worst advocates prepared power provide platform convince people hope people fixation lethal weapons dangerous derranged happen political position people advocating harm good point people accused inventing advocates purely purpose trash political views fact futile tactic hope invent character dangerous sybok athena mentaly potential psychopath local sherifs office informed unable untill attacks advantages draw backs requiring proof part government action citizens part reason weapons point make current argument absolute sanctity constitution answer arguing absolute sanctity constitution fact fillibuster talking constitution objected suggestion senate intended exercise power firstly current political scene political scene tied special interests chase convenient caricatures media polititians rights cmapaigners environmentalists zionists jews foreign lobbyists voting power sugest benefiting inevitable conclusion major corporations owned ultra wealthy benefited regan bush created welfare state rich point reagan republican majority senate term coalition house time bush real support congress real point pork corporations night leaving convenience store armful junk food bought food stamps spent food stamps junk make week government assitance money diverted programs addressing social poured weapons industry form cost profits contracts lessee pull almanac total government budget outlays billion dollars trillion dollars increase approx billion dollars national defense cost billion dollars billion dollars increase billion dollars leaves increase billion dollars unaccounted represented increase income security includes retirement programs housing assitance unemployment benefits welfare cost billion dollars billion dollars national defense started represented increase federal government spent billion dollars medicare spent billion dollars increase feds spent billion dollars housing credits subsidies billion health care services research billion dollars billion dollars agriculture billion billion science billion billion resource conservation billion billion education billion billion veteran benefits billion billion trasnportation billion billion things decreased energy category primarily supply community development area disaster relief represent loss billion dollars huge diversion order rectify situation constitutional revision stretch current government pushed president create mess expect begin equalize pressure form revision account changed circumsatnces role federal government assuming role positive role continue positive constitution frustrate democratic process constitution designed frustrate democratic process voters absolutely wanted time happened putting brakes democratic process inherently thing califronia riding edge time pull ballot initiative nonsense worse peoplr welfare spending federal government time people told pointed local government attempting prevent constitutional trickery leads constitution brought disrepute phill great favor repeating talk politics guns methods found bypass provisions government bypassing provisions bypass ammendment cute eliminate violations eliminating major reason guns excluded implication equal free speech dangerous free speech dangerous phill people mass ownership lethal weapons thousands murders year dangerous conclusion reach ammendment dangerous mistake phill gotta show clear pattern reduction homicide rates countries current mind reduction note slippery slope argument freedom speech chained privilege weaponry danger arises advocates pivilege allowed chain freedom speech fall freedom speech falls actions actions people genuinely interested freedom chaining freedom speech calling freedom thirdly importantly discover mechanism wherby engender intellectual debate opposed totemic debate grave threat civilisation loss ability reason political debate superficial level objection raise basing case assertion supremacy constitution currency argument limited currency totem based danger totems reinterpreted ways people phill master subtly changing subject based argument democracy constitution explain good idea time referred constitution point restrictions veto senate meant make constitution fillibuster rule rule good idea dismiss venerating constitution constitution david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
race violence nntp posting host magnus ohio state organization ohio state university distribution lines usual issue dysfunction values messed culture easily embraced african americans explaining problems community post apparently find idea wrong african americans wise culture wise appealing cease amazed eager african americans embrace theories problems basically assert wrong socio economic factors produce high crime levels poverty exists large proportion discussion african american problems exempt types factors problem laid doorstep neboulous dysfunction supposedly attributes crime white americans dysfunction socioeconomic factors africa americans gotta dysfunction basically tendency african americans wrong exists african americans deal possiblility society deeply biased african americans problem society deeply racist structured effective negative effect wrong african americans quick disregard busy find wrong taking good hard thing damage angry werent damn typical peace aaron 
limiting govt employment concentrate organization grinchco lines distribution world nntp posting host venus tamu summary limited governments versus failed governments news software vnews article steveh steve hendricks writes faces question circumscribes government power circumscribed complex society interest capitalists consumers refrain government power ends conundrum complete answer question obvious step convince people desirable result people feel command economies eastern europe failed corruption essential weaknesses caommand economies majority nation favors keeping unenforced unenforcible laws books order send signal society failed government ideal setting libertarian ideals implemented suppose occur fail feel place constant combat conducive intellectual theorizing tend invaded stable society regulation vauge word call vague call elastic regulation necessarily opposing government regulation libertarians treat system command economy regulate free markets identical reason rest find analysis simplistic distinction vague elastic context positive connotation rate steve hendricks domain steveh thing data uucp uunet thor steveh bulls hofferbert bell incidentally libertarian newsgroup bullshit grinch 
disaster distribution organization california state university chico lines nntp posting host grotus ecst csuchico article phil phil ronzone writes article rhockins russ writes article phil phil ronzone writes apparently member religious left member religious left center fact religious result flames fact phil leave religion clouds issue religous left worships trees rivers planet hates people religious worships engines smokestacks landfills hates people calling claiming truth environmental disaster read thread heard talked suggest people definition give religious left phil prime motivation protecting environment people continue live healthily disagree maintaining healthy environment people show environmental disasters aren natural disasters individually outweigh made russ response deleted save space guess missed newspaper articles week exxon presenting evidnce astm issue valdez incident valdez recovered religious left cries hundreds years repaired hulk suppose alaskan shores devastated valdez accident articles ocean shore life returned sands clean microbial samples back normal balance fish fowl populations returned relgious left claimed yearsb kuwait fires face facts love canal environmental disaster problem times beach acid rain killing trees problem move mile island imagine cheap property naturally occurring catastrophic events disasters destroy property hurricanes tornados earthquakes leave toxic wastes prevent people building lives made disasters spills toxic dumping radioactive waste dispersions death make area unliveable initial event people love canal kind environmental disaster weird opinions mine rent cheap douglas young dyoung csuchico expect discussion 
fillibuster lines organization university tennessee computing center article hallam desy phill hallam baker writes article veal david veal writes senate powerful house lords state house representatives fact british government greater power american system principle practice principle power power british parliament principle absolute power monarch stability system rests defined case clear abuse side side remedy situation institutions absolute power cute talk practicality monarch happen start social welfare model current state subsidy motto plenty state money handed problem distributed basis power congress basis actual bingo higher governmental ladder actual matters political power concentrated higher levels people cloud find reduced effectiveness point illustrated problem order school project york state states pork defense contracts agricultural subsidies precise states beat filibuster simply leave york education york remain unconcinved state union capable educating children point redistribution cash poor areas ecconomy rich contending state union ample wealth choose spend perfectly acceptable education system contend amount money spent sufficient spent badly vice versa republican phill republicans responsible huge increases social programs responsible contend congress blame democrat republican alike society simply writes areas country ecconomically weak basket case ecconomy inevitable cycles business phase produce business cycle countercyclic localities experience boom bust cycles national trend produce strong ecconomy ensure bust areas fall bellow level ecconomically rebuilt worst areas europe case talking education industry area collapses responsibility ensure children area good education areas schools closing halfway year lack money live area woefully ignorant situation time tennessee school districts closing governor asked million dollars bicentenntial celebration license plats breath wanted raise unemployment compensation reduce taxes paid rest country education problems stem directly problems lack money state tennessee considered heaven economy strongest country correlation money spend primarly administration average administrator makes half times average teacher makes sucks enormous amount revenue governor making concerted effort create education crisis order push income idiotic programs funded state funds county seat schools closing lack funds unwillingness spend education parental button education easier people children ugly constitution nuts bolts document delcaration independence high brow reasoning couple examples reasoning power reasoning power grant permits article section declaration independence decade earlier line justification constitution argue broad concepts spoke eloquently government based consent governed fact protracted whinge price design government pretty daft idea bunch arround designing structure government matter british army remained settled continental congress bylaws government means making decisions created george washington opinion extend veto intended inevitable congress abuse power make bills unlike people worrying veto fine problem congress necessitates abuse congress democratic body system speak heresy holy democratic orders government built democratic presidency fairly broad powers including veto fairest system election year term means members recent mandate senate intended balance democracy intentionally avoided considered good thing place democratic blocks impulsive action hand period election made years antiphase presidential cycle dependence fund raising special interests present long congress sell people congressmen rake money inherently wrong biasing system action historically governemnt action dealing issues bare minority large minority successful position imposing federal power diverse people federal government bare majority words david thinks reactionaries votes progressives progressives reactionaries move backward benefit states people historically laws sort minority arent effective geographically concentrated wielding federal stick make argument people agree calls republicans democrats republican republican democrat democrat asked times answer democratic knew democratic true direct democracy people advocate modification democracy bias action worse david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
diplomat license plates organization express access online communications lines distribution nntp posting host access digex article mitre james meritt writes automobiles belonging personnel embassies nations diplomatic license plates white blue read letter numbers means diplomatic country years means registered driver diplomatic immunity means damn roads protection state department issues plates personnel work embassies granted immunity embassies restricted parking embassy personell street side plates parking areas restricted lots national state dept crap 
myths national health insurance organization university buffalo lines news software vnews nntp posting host ubvmsb buffalo article columbia gary dare writes difference litigation environment reflected fees lack defensive medicine absence malpractice spend expensive approach pure insurance national health insurance make sense find cost malpractice insurance good thing read impossible canada litigate health system class action suits impossible provincial health officials part deal insurance approach french germans criticize france germany people french german college make accusations stick preserve doctors independance provincial wings schedule hikes presented politically bent doctors cackling realized grow strength diminish unopposed unlike socialized medicine approaches britain national health service power americans doctors lobby powerful life threatening things market arguments adequately cover procedures scarcer demand friends make living specialists back manitoba insurance rates customers medical monopoly grip doctors licencing move larger places refute debunking waiting lines urgent routine care consumers reports health policy studies cited prof dennis shea usenet yeah national defense medical centre ottawa theoretically limited service personnel studies heard suggested half patients civilians connections urgent problem system hospitals annual budgets approved government political considerations medical decisions good friends hospital urgent care list matter minor problem bumped list bigshot wouldn national health insurance americans fully insured settle canada provincial insurance covers health costs dental care eyeglasses prescription drugs ambulance service private hospital rooms canadians buying private insurance policy cover things runs month difference make figure percentage spent health care dentistry optometry included accounting canada spends proportionately health care thing note canada france germany case private insurance offloaded basic coverage public sector realized keeping risk high profit extra insurance things private semi private rooms ward accomodation dental glasses corporate personal benefits covered basic care point voucher approach broker universal coverage sell policies make difference federal guidelines market stuff health care systems financially collapse popular ontario warned ontarians years stop cross border shopping huge numbers services expect province years fortunately fortunately retailers western york canadian dollar back realistic knew meant ohip happen warning turned truth private insurers slack obligation eventually make money true loathe practice handling basic services wouldn free care encourage people doctor ache pain people free treatment doctor hospital share medical bills canadians doctor lower person health bill free deductibles copayments things advocate make canadian insurance real health insurance working alberta ontario quebec aware paying health insurance toronto ohip fees listed stub manitoba collect paycheque time annually income time built rate fiscal naifs proclaim free canadian left part brainwashing agenda free americans start revolution taxes canadian rates private health insurance industry powerful kill dismantling health segment insurance industry politically thorny quiet words advocate national plan firms sell billion health insurance hard fight industry grown eightfold canada shut health insurers government leaves politicians open lobbyists canada parliamentary system health insurance exist canada western europe cover basic care canada germany uninsured result people market private insurance realized money make risks involved basic insurance neurosurgery versus deluxe amenities call granada replace rental fritz private hospital room started back social responsibility quebec spring consortium private insurers publicly warned thoughts privatizing routine cost parts province public health insurance plan doubt americans giving insurance companies power half canadian health insurers provinces federal government years knew good chance public system bust long clean sort contradicts higher possibility added bonus arguing government involvement industry point failure citing theoretical principles 
abolish selective service organization emory university atlanta lines newsreader william cornell writes article borden harvard dave borden writes selective service registration abolished start draft immoral agree military experts agree quality armed forces superior volunteer army draftees finally government lists computers social security admistration motor vehicle registries find maintaining list people utter waste money time department reduce deficit dave borden borden harvard selfish bastard afraid sacrafice somthing country approve lone immoral people current president idea country exists years country exists years people forced government fight foreign wars bill 
kyle rodney king organization netcom line communication services guest lines freenet vern morrison writes previous article kkopp uiuc koppenhoefer kyle cramm uchicago frank writes article kkopp uiuc koppenhoefer kyle cramm writes fact bunch cops putting lives line afraid hell large black large amount punishment refused submit curious adjective important curious beign statement cross posted news groups including lines discrimination rodney king black large large black male friends referred large black faces large number adjectives spare personal flame wars action cross posting total start crap trite game play addressed statement waiting yeah curious felt compelled remind race imply clueless statement benign hokh crystal wind storm mdouglas storm data michael douglas llyr data life player litany long 
high speed rail reply cactus john haugh organization river parishes programming austin distribution lines article garrett fell writes post comment high speed rail alot tainted corruption speed limit commuter tracks northeast resembles high speed rail country requires massive government subsidies government boondoggle john haugh utexas bell cactus ponzi scheme good dictionary picture liberal handout stop federal spending deficit 
government summary historical examples constitution organization free barbers lines nntp posting host thor article albeaj ingr albea writes article steveh steve hendricks writes ouch hurts accused breadth depth historical knowledge unwilling agree economic inequality leads poverty social political instability read history poverty main engine social instability context religious turmoil mass migrations fact matter poverty imperfectly related social political instability economic inequality strongly related virtually major revolutions including england puritan revolution france russia china revolutions occurred economies undergoing substantial long term growth poverty declining sets revolutions massive inequality coupled perception part bottom social change poverty main engine social instability typical historical pattern hold fact revolutions typical nineteenth century time deleted check constitution find order promote general welfare ordain establish constitution surprised missed paragraph thought made preamble good follow advice preamble constitution read quoted forget preamble binding part constitution carries weight poor tortured paragraph unfortunate passages english language witness legions blowhards vague flowery phrases part land politician give service promoting general welfare limits constitution buddy blowhards managed include general welfare portion constitution article section congress power collect taxes debts provide common defence general welfare united states guess wanted make understood meant preamble make point experiment constitution read preamble people promote general welfare ordain establish constitution united states america constitution federal government function function provide defense nation noted constitution government functions defense welfare explicitly includes general welfare defense article section guess grant botha constitutional functions steve hendricks domain steveh thing data uucp uunet thor steveh bulls hofferbert bell 
limiting govt employment concentrate organization bunker ramo olivetti company lines nntp posting host thor article uucp paul schmidt writes steveh steve hendricks writes article uucp paul schmidt writes failure libertarianism ideology provide reasonable restrain actions utopian dreams society collapse people evil time david bergland agreed people basically evil thing government staffed evil folks exercising control david bergland agreed freedom unleashed creative energies people leads higher levels income social progress report agreed argument limited government unlimited government government regulation capitalist economy serves worthwhile ends regulation desirable empirical grounds justifiable ideological grounds good summary selling labor goods house essential excercise personal freedoms paul schmidt advocates government davy crockett chapter president demonstrates assume liberal steve hendricks domain steveh thing data uucp uunet thor steveh bulls hofferbert bell 
limiting govt employment concentrate summary failed governments organization failed libertarian opportunities lines nntp posting host thor article tamu grinch writes article steveh steve hendricks writes society failed government ideal setting libertarian ideals implemented suppose occur fail feel place constant combat conducive intellectual theorizing tend invaded stable society reason soviet union achieve ideal pure communism hostility surrounding capitalist nations sounds familiar utopian dreams confronted real world grinch steve hendricks domain steveh thing data uucp uunet thor steveh bulls hofferbert bell 
myths national health insurance nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall lines pxgt buffalo daniel case writes columbia gary dare writes difference litigation environment reflected fees lack defensive medicine absence malpractice spend expensive approach pure insurance good thing read impossible canada litigate health system class action suits impossible provincial health officials doctors private system insurance plan litigation involve insurance fund lawyers work contingency malpractice winning cover fees likewise doctor subject suit time sweat provincial wings schedule hikes presented politically bent doctors cackling realized grow strength diminish unopposed unlike socialized medicine approaches britain national health service power americans doctors lobby powerful weeks president canadian wrote letter decry lobbyist advert repeating trash significant interlinked organizations approval cronies yeah national defense medical centre ottawa theoretically limited service personnel studies heard suggested half patients civilians connections urgent serves purpose bethesda naval hospital hospitals provide stuff ottawa population quarter million include surrounding counties problem system hospitals annual budgets approved government political considerations medical decisions good friends hospital urgent care list matter minor problem bumped list bigshot people influence system american european golden rule gold makes rules annual budgets annual grants facilities mops pans hospitals private nonprofit foundations problem aggressive profit hospitals french approach paris region people canada market diverse rest made billings patients services wouldn national health insurance americans fully insured settle canada provincial insurance covers health costs dental care eyeglasses prescription drugs ambulance service private hospital rooms canadians buying private insurance policy cover things runs month difference make figure percentage spent health care dentistry optometry included accounting canada spends proportionately health care figures combined public private expenditures total outlay compiled methods oecd yield figure health care systems financially collapse collecting premiums advocate copayments french system order make real insurance private doctors hospitals insurance hypothically disappears appeared popular ontario warned ontarians years stop cross border shopping huge numbers services expect province years thing idiot knew meant ohip ohip separate premiums paycheck player spend money things health insurance high taxes high spending health insurance separate optional spent nonpartisan manner party ohip health insurance plan provide kind health care private doctors private insurers slack obligation eventually make money true loathe practice handling basic services companies providing extra insurance subsidiaries american companies parents provide full insurance firms north easily turn cable american firms involved basic coverage private firms making money basic coverage patting back cooperation providing extras people deserve private insurance realized money make risks involved basic insurance neurosurgery versus deluxe amenities call granada replace rental fritz private hospital room started back social responsibility quebec spring consortium private insurers publicly warned thoughts privatizing routine cost parts province public health insurance plan doubt americans giving insurance companies power half canadian health insurers provinces federal government years knew good chance public system bust long clean sort contradicts higher possibility added bonus arguing government involvement industry point failure citing theoretical principles agree situation bigger full coffers friends sisters class flown interviews individually insurance firms london canada insurance capitol hartford generous expense privileges year ongoing post recession blues souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
limiting govt employment concentrate originator ervan rice reply ervan ervan darnell organization rice university lines article steveh steve hendricks writes article tamu grinch writes article steveh steve hendricks writes faces question circumscribes government power circumscribed complex society interest capitalists consumers refrain government power ends conundrum difficult problem good solution approach simply move political opinion hope libertarian consensus lasts approach amend constitution original constitution restrained government economic intervention years depending count amendment weakened ways restrains government state local issues majority favor censorship libertarians happy years restraint amendment happen necessarily hendricks posters problem libertarianism stable true objection libertarianism libertarian political consensus forms decade falls back unlike case socialism socialist consensus held fell leave lots bureaucracy hard tyranny condition strong socialist consensus ervan darnell ervan rice 
malpractice issue myths national health summary malpractice insurance litigation explain health probs organization free barbers lines nntp posting host thor article pxgt buffalo daniel case writes article columbia gary dare writes difference litigation environment reflected fees lack defensive medicine absence malpractice spend expensive approach pure insurance national health insurance wouldn make sense find cost malpractice insurance malpractice defensive medicine main factors explaining spiralling health care costs aren gary correct noting malpractice related problems greater canada means account difference health care costs account larger portion difference physicians gross income countries facts malpractice insurance awards account total health care costs survey physicians conducted national medical journal physicians averaged paying practice receipts malpractice insurance malpractice insurance premiums malpractice awards peaked declined significantly time health care costs increased period history defensive medicine concerned estimates total impact billion year total current increase health care costs estimate group expected overestimate impacts defensive medicine health care small problem scheme things clinton record long time favoring indemnification malpractice suits follow procedures specialties eliminate frivolous suits retaining ability true malpractice steve hendricks domain steveh thing data uucp uunet thor steveh bulls hofferbert bell 
kyle rodney king reply uchicago organization university chicago distribution lines article kkopp uiuc koppenhoefer kyle cramm writes uchicago frank writes article kkopp uiuc koppenhoefer kyle cramm writes fact bunch cops putting lives line afraid hell large black large amount punishment refused submit curious adjective important curious beign statement cross posted news groups including lines discrimination exsqueeze original post discrimination post cross posted groups followup cross posted omitting motss engaging meta discussion topic answer question posed statement beign trouble politely responding polite query frank uchicago card moops school standard disclaimers 
temper tantrums distribution organization grass valley group grass valley lines phil evidence suggests nixon victim overzealous underlings kennedy womanizing disgust blob dash megalomania crushing kennedy created version american friendly fascism evidence nation citizens privy hours total hours nixon tapes rest babies archivists alluded evidence suggest nixon cronies including george bush aware plot murder kennedy shot dallas local charges crime phil putz shit finally privilege sticking pole parading main street sign chest apologist american fascist regime circa lovely brecht image reaction killfile week 
temper tantrums distribution organization grass valley group grass valley lines article cramer clayton cramer writes broke open question tape archivists suggest kennedy assasination hear tapes real 
abolish selective service nntp posting host dhostwo convex organization engineering convex computer corp richardson disclaimer message written user convex computer corp opinions expressed user necessarily convex lines dave borden borden harvard wrote selective service registration abolished start draft immoral agree military experts agree quality armed forces superior volunteer army draftees finally government lists computers social security admistration motor vehicle registries find maintaining list people utter waste money time department reduce deficit gridlock talk relic past selective service system creates jobs investment future america whats wrong jobs point recovery economy generated billion jobs government step shutting selective service cost good jobs involve selective service closely directed manner selective service involved environmental protection high speed rail commuter aircraft civil rights national service health care dollar selective service spending future selective service long past creation cabinet position hope back america side start part change bill support economic stimulus health care reform devote energies fighting gridlock supporting change team evil banished washington time complaint past neccessary remember bill clinton cares someday town meeting city sort person phrase questions properly show proper respect chance president question person 
rnitedace violence organization manes associates distribution newsreader version lines glad recognize people engage denial repression acknowledge united states people recognized repression place loss outright abrogation civil liberties constitutional protections citizens recognition form civil rights discuss federal level recognition repression times manifested form collective guilt people recognize denial white people numerically commit crimes united states white people majority black people commit disproportionate amount crime united states relation numbers population views experiences police officer large metropolitan area citizen people account behavior behavior community improve neal 
excuses slick willie record setting disapproval rati organization umcc arbor lines nntp posting host umcc umcc umich article libwca bill anderson writes shapiro enet steve shapiro writes william jefferson blythe clinton fail understand insult feel adopted implies sort moral failing sign aristocrtic touchness middle class george herbert walker bush full quayle honeymoon period lasted full hours chosen bush running mate kevin podsiadlik vaporware engineer class contribution president mail hampton make deductible compuserve larry wright 
limiting govt employment concentrate organization grinchco lines distribution world nntp posting host venus tamu summary failed governments news software vnews article steveh steve hendricks writes article tamu grinch writes article steveh steve hendricks writes society failed government ideal setting libertarian ideals implemented suppose occur fail feel place constant combat conducive intellectual theorizing tend invaded stable society reason soviet union achieve ideal pure communism hostility surrounding capitalist nations sounds familiar utopian dreams confronted real world steve hendricks domain steveh steve suggested failed government ideal proving ground felt place contrary proving ground someplace governemnt prevent outright acts agression strong spirit individualism initiative someplace texas grinch 
kyle rodney king distribution organization university illinois urbana lines uchicago frank writes article kkopp uiuc koppenhoefer kyle cramm writes uchicago frank writes article kkopp uiuc koppenhoefer kyle cramm writes fact bunch cops putting lives line afraid hell large black large amount punishment refused submit curious adjective important curious beign statement cross posted news groups including lines discrimination exsqueeze original post discrimination post cross posted groups followup cross posted omitting motss engaging meta discussion topic answer question posed statement beign trouble politely responding polite query query polite give polite responce atypical black descriptive adjective describes king newspaper radio news reports adjective commonly front complain adjective benign manner king good black king make ascertian evidence effect purely descriptive adjective manner news people past entire trial race feel compelled discuss king racial background king white trial beating occurred white extremely difficult call make case definately actions crap divisive adjective black derogenory manner happier african american lost world instrumental persons access revoked copy message admin plea worthy posting polite inquiry makes 
interested facts organization netcom online communication services guest lines oops forgot read permission fixed netcom login anonymous password address binary clinton pkzip latest deflate economic stats myriad ways slick willie gang preparing brown desk distortion democrat face utilities microsoft mike pelt performed savings loan remember backup restore mention edlin hard disk lincoln spector 
limiting govt employment concentrate organization grinchco lines distribution world nntp posting host venus tamu summary feasibility considered news software vnews article steveh steve hendricks writes option suggests analysis left regulators fact inventing government movement cost benefit approach analysis public spending libertarians learn explain votes creature senator worse president votes specific policies general package cover issues years influence highly diluted free vote individual regulations vast amount time required regulation combined small chance vote making difference make unreasonable expect voter make intelligent decision respect specific regulations strikes feasible approach feasible wholesale attack government regulation licensing treats cutting hair practicing medicine equivalent tasks feasible case impossible priciple undesirable fact areas public spending strike generating substantial support libertarians police defense mention education minors possibility minors generally considered responsible make decisions adults interesting committed libertarians claim principle coercion areas public spending frequently support involve hiring people guns hmm surprising fact consequence libertarian philosophy coersive functions dealt privately functions remaining state coersive suggest revolutionaries frequently generate support acting protectors geezers mothers children governments ignore people grounds fear peril drunken teenagers groups questionare worse revolution event missed earlier sarcasm directly idea programs social security afdc considered defense idea advanced newsgroups absurd unworthy consideration dispute patronizing laboring delusion socialized economic system intelligent honest persons make decisions feel party added transaction ignorant corrupt buyer seller expect agree explain feel wrong grinch 
hunt marine bashing wilmington verdict organization ohio state university department physics lines article wdstarr william december starr writes article tfarrell northeastern thomas farrell good case king good case defense lawyer asked victim questions kind sexual perversions participate made good case speaking weeks tuition bill unemployed slob degree transcript trial happened immediately defense attorney asked question assuming reports accurate accusing farrell making sort case spawns garbled misquotes false rumors urban legends tribbles nice prosecutor objected irrelevant prejudicial inflammatory pick judge upheld objection hear question asked radio news update case talking ongoing trial audio clips immediately defense attorney asked question objection heard background clip ended point objection upheld imagine arresting officer bastards told purpose hoped victim defense made good case losing aparently transcript read news media arresting officer testifying defendants calmly asked condition homo hoped heard officer testifying defendants purpose hear audio clip heard reported number times news stories trial purpose thing stretching coming remebers point feel free clarify frank frank chloupek chloupek ohio state department physics ohio state university ohio state university hard fast rule place party place rourke 
study percentage organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host sandman caltech study asked engaged homosexual intercourse years kinsey asked engaged thought engaging homosexual activity sort difference yogurt morning allergic lactose michal impressive amounts material accreted manner 
anita hill giving pubic hairs prove theodore kaldis organization lines kaldis rutgers theodore kaldis writes article goid guild eeves writes lani herrmann wondering clinton administration trouble finding suitable nominee post attorney general superior candidate refer prof anita hill michael friedman pick republicans investigate rumors returned papers students couple pubic hairs inserted pages prof hill biggest fans find hard supply post preferably proof newspaper articles documenting allegations ignorance unsurprising canadian complete loss interested american issue properly absolutely concern interest gender issues limited international boundaries exchange information americans issues concern countries event answer question david brock article real anita hill published march issue american spectator page mentioned journal gave information bizarre incident alleged happened school year oral roberts university sworn affidavit dated october filed senate judiciary committee lawrence shiles lawyer tulsa recounted shortly class begun professor hill gave written assignment completed duly turned assignment passed class marked professor sitting fellow students jeffrey londoff mark stewart opening assignments reviewing grades comments made anita hill found twelve short black pubic hairs pages assignment glanced jeff londoff assignment similar pubic hairs work time made statement londoff opinion work graded assignment bathroom mark stewart overheard conversation similar pubic hairs assignment standing joke students remainder year classes students class confirmed story londoff hairs pubic thought hill head short coarse curly hill hair head straightened student hair identified origins satisfy curious canada thomas nomination hearings surely claim sexually harassed great deal credibility shown guilty regard sworn statements senate committee equivalent toilet paper ahemm depends instance sworn statements warren commission statements toilet paper cases answer steeves goid guild neil hull goid zooid toronto ontario goids rule solve patriarchy install peterarchy peter hanus upei slmr scott beamy 
limiting govt employment concentrate summary limiting libertarians organization free barbers lines nntp posting host thor article tamu grinch writes article steveh steve hendricks writes explain votes creature senator worse president votes specific policies general package cover issues years influence highly diluted free vote individual regulations vast amount time required regulation combined small chance vote making difference make unreasonable expect voter make intelligent decision respect specific regulations afraid lost thread suggest government regulations subject referenda follow comments strikes feasible approach feasible wholesale attack government regulation licensing treats cutting hair practicing medicine equivalent tasks feasible case impossible priciple undesirable fact ideology treats government regulation equally undesirable seeks abolish regulations draw support miniscule portion electorate suggesting plan feasible industrial society weight litigation misery produce effectively crush productive effort areas public spending strike generating substantial support libertarians police defense interesting committed libertarians claim principle coercion areas public spending frequently support involve hiring people guns hmm surprising fact consequence libertarian philosophy coersive functions dealt privately functions remaining state coersive surprised interesting hand libertarians assume limited government decreed posit entire government made people carry guns realize libertarians assume government counterbalanced fully armed citizenry worth noting widespread civilian ownership guns necessarily prevent establishment totalitarian government iraq suggest revolutionaries frequently generate support acting protectors geezers mothers children governments ignore people grounds fear peril drunken teenagers groups questionare worse revolution event missed earlier sarcasm directly idea programs social security afdc considered defense idea advanced newsgroups absurd unworthy consideration dispute support constitutional requirement government provide general welfare article section justify programs basis patronizing laboring delusion socialized economic system intelligent honest persons make decisions feel party added transaction ignorant corrupt buyer seller expect agree explain feel wrong place support socialized economic system limits capitalism fine idea case party ignorant corrupt buyer seller multitudes examples statement demonstrably false regulation stock market transactions provide reasonable basis buyers avoid fraud grinch steve hendricks domain steveh thing data uucp uunet thor steveh bulls hofferbert bell 
bush clinton wiretapping initiative organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet broward horne nntp posting host hela cwru previous article garrett fell article idbsu broward horne writes guess strength math clinton president months words bush wiretapping initiative bailed diff suggest difference proposed bill stalled congress executive order crammed throats disagree strongly urge moving savings overseas protected bank accounts able post office friday passport apps savings converted 
rnitedace violence organization northeastern class lines distribution nntp posting host reply neal linknet neal article neal linknet neal views experiences police officer large metropolitan area citizen people account behavior behavior community improve wait minute agree people responsibility behavior assume meant word account behavior community talking trouble theory social behavior justice charges duty taking responsibility accounting actions person william december starr 
study percentage organization pendor unltd lines distribution world nntp posting host nwfocus comments originator article rscharfy ohio state ryan scharfy writes promiscuous option living straight life social pressures geez ryan proposed theory months step surveys show homosexual encounter larger percentage people homosexual erotic fantasies population people identify demonstrated potential large chunk people chose accurately forced choose force religion social sanction feelings heterosexual cramer kaldis fall category people hung choice chose homosexuals flaunting perversion choosing society dictated awful perverts chose gleefully admit heterosexual chose indulge homoerotic potential sternberg purpose writing inflate weak ideas obscure pure reasoning inhibit clarity pratice writing intimidating impenetrable bill watterson calvin 
abolish selective service organization northeastern class lines nntp posting host reply william cornell article william cornell response dave borden selfish bastard afraid sacrafice somthing country approve lone immoral people current president idea country exists years william reason country stands years military conscription force young fight strongly volunteer military service support fact country standing good news william december starr 
clinton wiretapping initiative organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet broward horne nntp posting host hela cwru previous article helfman robert helfman article idbsu broward horne writes newsgroup able find clinton proposed wiretapping initiative computer networks telephone systems initiative congress past months guise wiretapping bill kind brainless clod posted garbage kind brainless clod understand difference proposed bill blocked congress executive order issued clinton crammed throats give remedial thinking order create appearance interest rates uncle shifted debt long term short term securities effect uncle transformed federal goverment giant waiting blow short term rates rise interest payments deficit rise uncle sammy borrow causing short term rates rise uncle sammy caught positive feedback loop options raise taxes unimaginable amount make unimaginable spending cuts results large numbers pissed citizens results large numbers pissed citizens uncle sammy thoughtfully initiative empt communication newtworks foster nation wide grassroots uprising 
kyle rodney king reply uchicago organization university chicago distribution lines article kkopp uiuc koppenhoefer kyle cramm writes uchicago frank writes article kkopp uiuc koppenhoefer kyle cramm writes fact bunch cops putting lives line afraid hell large black large amount punishment refused submit curious adjective important black descriptive adjective describes king newspaper radio news reports adjective commonly front complain adjective benign manner king good black king make ascertian evidence effect purely descriptive adjective manner news people past questioning king black question arises king race make police officers afraid hell statement imply cops standard large black large general posts understand pointed adjective informative original frank uchicago card moops school standard disclaimers 
history dangerous nntp posting host vladimir wetware reply drieux organization castle wetware philosopher sniper lines article indiana mrynders indiana maurice rynders writes article meyerj meyer writes article pyotr peter hampe writes drieux drieux drieux writes call clinton illegal somalia hold part reaganbushlegacy yeah created starvation warlords brainwashed media reagan people heard somalia reagan administration boys ogadan money raised band covered cost soviet client state replace catagory weapon system lost aforementioned joke world funny gonzo station designation area primary threat targets area ciao drieux hands comedy hands comedy call wild humour lemmings 
homosexuals organization youngstown state youngstown free lines nntp posting host tired debate gays arguments basically worthless imho matter millions people regularly denied access housing employment personal security death threats happen personal experience people receive based political veiws personal philosophies related issue sexual orientation heterosex uals week personally friends physically verbally harrassed appearing garaunteed unalienable rights current form government theory people victimized local governments police force part uninformed ignorant public democracy society sense justice judged basis treatment people make society people includes gays lesbians bisexuals crimes victims varied diverse society wich part frank jordan arab bassoonists unite 
good neighbor political hypocrisy test nntp posting host magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article steveth steve thomas article rscharfy ohio state ryan scharfy writes social problem great worth destroying freedom america destruction freedom answer social problem walk street night america drug freedom ryan exactely walk street safely jump shadow sell drugs hand walking steet bustling lawless part metropolitan area lawless bustling read underground economy pursue fantasy crime derived underground economies safe place drugs explained major large scale crime america head guardian angles agrees legalize drugs watch violent haahaahaa crimes significantly decrease walk tonight feel safe hope batf back apartment confiscating property found phone number written phone booth drug dealer yeah buddy time happened thought sense feel safe honest abiding citizen drug laws included fear government fear criminals foolish freedom founding fathers thrown prison today drug laws mind problems pale comparison fact fiber country constitution destroyed good part reduced crime created class criminals headed gang current leader bill clinton private armies answer directly president possess advanced weapons survailance technology sound familiar support mein furher clinton hmm current adminstration eager endow power power dangerous kind drugs stay illegal ryan 
drugs legalized nntp posting host magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article wdstarr liam december starr writes article rscharfy ohio state ryan scharfy legalizing sticking drugs stations bought cigarettes plain silly ryan scharfy government adopt radical unamerican idea citizens free live lives simply decriminalize cocaine marijuana heroin explain idea allowing recreational drugs bought cigarettes plain silly works fine nicotine wdstarr yeah cancer pretty cool ryan explain coolness lack thereof cancer relevant discussion legalization illegal recreational drugs matter explain relevant discussion legal recreational drugs tobacco wdstarr worked tobacco fascisious spell worth damn ridiculous tobacco legal difference tobacco marijuana high ryan 
hunt marine bashing wilmington verdict organization antone italian kitchen excellence operating network newsreader rusnews lines kkopp uiuc koppenhoefer kyle cramm writes tfarrell northeastern thomas farrell writes funny seconds video police involved guilty excuse possibly make care rodney king satan excuse black wanted beat arresting separate question insufficient information make kind conclusion fact bunch cops putting lives line afraid hell large black large amount punishment refused submit yeah watch start video king prone postion charge cops video cuts watch start finish agree police carried rodney king angel guilty verdicts returned handed guilty verdicts officers simple compromise avoid rioting places minorities riot hate riot prepared open season skin slightly brown motto fuck stuff killed simple tony anthony pelliccio read system garlic code thhpptt extra flame retardent sysadmin year calm 
drugs legalized good neighbor organization department redundancy department lines wdstarr william december starr writes legalizing sticking drugs stations bought cigarettes plain silly heard recommended dosage drugs crack ecstasy chrystal meth minute report worked cocaine cigarettes heroin government adopt radical unamerican idea citizens free live lives simply decriminalize cocaine marijuana heroin explain idea allowing recreational drugs bought cigarettes plain silly works fine nicotine favor drug legalization problems hope people disposed simply overdose quickly making mess thisgs straight medical treatment costs inefficient government make 
race violence organization manes associates distribution newsreader version lines replied message listed topic title rnitedace violence possibly line noise error caused post topic neal 
role national news media inflaming passions organization gordian costa mesa distribution lines article carlos nasa carlos carrion writes conclusion stations riot happen verdict surprising times pulitzers year michael thomas mike bambi eyes flame thrower hobbes calvin usnail irvine santa heights pabell 
good neighbor political hypocrisy test nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article steveth steve thomas justify drugs dare friend mine smoke tuesday hits acid trouble aiming bowl takes dump results drug people screwed head steve thomas steveth ryan 
national sales movie received usenet received inet received uiboise idbsu talk politics misc usenet politics clinton usenet mailer revision lines national sales news logo cool means glad quit working taking busting watching time frustrated pretty damn yeah free health care yeeaahh bill makes feel dancing amazing predictions incredible bromeister back feburary incredible bromeister predicted middle class taxpayer taxes national sales aammaazziinngg predictions raised oops raised unemployment rise revenues decline deficit increase deficit reduction package dance sing bail amble lake hang easy yeah mail address total gumby clinton propose paraphrase hilary clinton raise taxes middle class programs paraphrase bill clinton raise taxes middle class programs 
high speed rail organization texas tech university distribution lines bmich utexas brian keith michalk writes weeks found politics texas bullet train appalled apparent underhanded tactics push thing public whatsoever wrote short editorial thing posted hoping discussion suppose editorials general opinion proposed high speed train personally stupid idea people rich deal opinion society economy primarily based capitalism role government provide goods services providing general public good government supply goods services impossible private enterprise individual make money providing agree posts train make money rely heavily state dollars question general public train train lubbock texas inexpensive travel provided dallas houston people dallas houston david mcgaughey texas tech university 
limiting govt employment concentrate organization stratus computer lines distribution world nntp posting host rocket stratus article rcollins encore roger collins writes picture randomly picked libertarian positions government allowed initiated force achieve goals special interest influence government initiated force behalf government force doesn libertarian position government force force force directed government citizens true safeguards government claiming initiation force part response burning maine tonkin gulf incident assault waco argue understand followups politics libertarian stratus speak company stratus write today special investors packet 
return party nntp posting host vladimir wetware reply drieux organization castle wetware philosopher sniper lines article arizona engr arizona david anderson writes article drieux drieux drieux writes case resolving supports biblical literalism enerrancy bible wished jump sexularhumanist detain true christians death camps approach northern liberal abolitionists efforts destroy bible corrupt moral fibre american lead fearing bondage liberal degeneracy guess bible christianity american history helens spew crap manage drieux advocating american history bible restoration party ciao drieux free negro sailor supreme court ruling importantly complicate mythology blacks slaves hands comedy hands comedy call wild humour lemmings 
stop sexularhumanistoppression beloved damn ferigner organization wilfrid laurier university lines article gregotts greg otts writes article muftix bintec juergen ernst guenther writes understood canadians mexicans brazilians accusing people imperialism americans europeans americans bunch blasphemeous trash extinguish sooner surprising continent produced fascism communism world wars people tend people trash extinguished sooner remember called hitler felt wonders fate europe extinguished nation blasphemeous trash gods millions people world force stop insane bloody european imperialism thankfully imperialistic helped games rest world sleep alittle safely care europeans long greg otts opinions remember extinguished blasphemous trash europe imperialism united states exist today games begs question chicken brown 
limiting govt employment concentrate summary questions initiated force organization free barbers lines nntp posting host thor article rcollins writes article steveh steve hendricks writes means government prevented tool business interests left wing government conventional liberal vote anti competitive regulations favor auto dealers hear libertarians desire limit incumbents terms weaken government eliminating power enforce antitrust laws desire eliminate legislator strikes ineffective insure auto dealers special interests influence public policy fact designed accomplish opposite government allowed initiated force achieve goals special interest influence government initiated force behalf fine libertarians anarchists uncomfortable state sponsored coercion notion coercion virtually eliminated society properly eliminated part state longer worth consideration view peculiar libertarians anarchists initiated force coercion include collection include minimal level regulation commerce envisioned adam smith coercion exercised actors state state deal exclusively fact arbitration legal compulsion means reaching restricted government topic address briefly happen libertarianism dominate philosophy means make libertarianism dominate philosophy statists education monopoly creative advocates government reports seminar participants embrace libertarianism means lobby compulsory seminar attendance jest admit picture libertarians amway participants reassuring idea govern complex conflictual industrial society venture point libertarians convince group seminar participants embrace philosophy propaganda skills honed frankly great trick create government society assumed agree proper government policy assumed sorts annoying formalities dispensed elections police marx state wither explain eliminating virtually policies restrain private coercion current society live happier lives socialism short term pain bear benefit education regular seminar training roger collins steve hendricks domain steveh thing data uucp uunet thor steveh bulls hofferbert bell 
urgent frank wanted killing teel lines reply hallam desy organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron experiment zeus hera article mnemonic mike godwin writes article hallam desy writes punishing person posting thing smacks authoritarianism deliberate fraud intended harm unclear legal meaning fraud mere misrepresentation fraud comment meant fails reasons edited context action discussion brought legal definition english language legal dialect legal definition fraud country case context discussion morality censorship posting site thing site university person believes university endorses comment made university site refered specifically company good person believes company endorses comment made university site extrapolating statement made circumstance censorship permissable teel case bothered read post prove stupid thought mode argument form rhetoric argument describe wide circumstances action permisable demonstrate apply action permisable company posting university adress squashed contrary internet comercial usenet distribute letterhead organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron experiment zeus hera suggest strongly letterhead stationery designer clutching straws context discussion fact association company post important typeface inconsequential people openly supporting murder members family sigh implying lying suggest read mark holohan ulick staffords posts culture british suggesting advocating murder trivial matter prefer state directly oppose sidiqui ayatolah khomenhi call murder salman rushdie incitement murder part legitimate freedom speech notion employees argue political views expense explain precisely expense talking internet free connection charges expensive comercial concerns give cost breakdown expense company attributable employee posting political view disagreement numbers irrelevant case incremental cost facility cost decide company subscribe usenet usenet connection property company legitimate company political agenda regulate property accordance policy microsoft employee post windows crap microsoft machine reasonable microsoft sack employee company decides political objectives regulate postings political manner worse rupert murdoch papers political platform views refering arrogance position quoting words written slave owners freedom words written slave owners quote recall quoting quote refered constitution considered sacrosanct parts globe assumed amendment talismanic attempted argue king james bible muslim pointing reasoning parochial effort made substantive point made effort apparently made effort misunderstand article consisted reference ammendment signature pretty damn publication understands index censorship subscribe moving index regularly publishes opinions americans amendment represents free speech principles open societies opinions dissenting lords spycatcher case refering initial hearings injunction judgments substantive case initial hearings government judged unresonable judgment assertion government national interest harmed grounds prior restraint hearings substance judged government case official secrets suppress information thwe public domain part copyright issue separate issue censorship case information divulged understanding communicated parties ammendment apply case numerous prosecutions spies proves crux spycatcher affair extrateritoriality british censorship aspect arose result government ludicrous attempts prevent summary case book reason reached unquestioningly write purports opposed argument assertion assertions funny rejection assertion made rejecting assertion make contrary assertion assertion unprovable left demonstrate command contrary opinion attacking anti censorship view dare accept validity censorship arguments rejecting conclusions absolutist funny idea solution problem decided group white male gentry secret session sumarized single line issues half simple imply anti american disallowing recourse ammendment argument currency parts world state censorship iran kewait israel pretend geared discourse conceivable audiences geered discourse audience save proving person wearing white phill hallam baker 
excuses slick willie record setting disapproval rati organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet broward horne nntp posting host hela cwru previous article mark mark sachs article freenet broward horne attitude people stupid agree bring great success life free advice hahahahahah christ hahahahah whew mark earth makes give fuck success hell taxed excellent holy christ examine record broward clinton taxe holy fuck mark month laugh broward national sales clinton supporter bill free predictions makes smile george bush defend bill clinton imagine sadder left george bush final argument true republicans pretty pathetic november surely pathetic clinton suppoters april chumbo watch appointment lake hours past full time working thing works enjoy minute free time free health care reason back working bill 
clinton immunization program organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet broward horne nntp posting host hela cwru previous article paul paul havemann words meet boss boss chorus fooled hmm side 
clinton immunization program nntp posting host dzoo apollo organization hewlett packard company chelmsford lines article jlinder ohio state jeffrey linder writes article mwilson atlantaga mark wilson writes news night clinton bashing republicans stonewalling called stimulus package small item package free immunizations poor kids immunizations children country free care problem cost irresponible parents stupid lazy case noticed clintonites pushing universal health care access program access means folks give damn immunizing children health care services delivered doorsteps disclaimer opinions expressed mine employer 
state justice trial reply uchicago organization university chicago lines article demon wright boomer writes judge denied trial motion witnesses occupant truck dead impact fire thoughts kind scary realize judges start denying trials evidence contradicts facts previous ruling hand kind scary final verdict party litigation oops forgot bring evidence demand trial bite apple judge decided witnesses believed shouldn jury general motors find witnesses litigation arms plaintiff suing general motors pulled stunt made relitigate issue lost general motors file discovery motions delay trial found witnesses wanted members previous jury parading talk shows proclaiming obvious bias define obvious bias shouldn judge verdict call trial move trial grounds reason frank uchicago card moops school standard disclaimers 
clinton immunization program organization university tennessee division continuing education lines article goykhman herring writes article jlinder ohio state jeffrey linder writes article mwilson atlantaga mark wilson writes news night clinton bashing republicans stonewalling called stimulus package small item package free immunizations poor kids immunizations children country free care problem cost irresponible parents stupid lazy case noticed clintonites pushing universal health care access program access means folks give damn immunizing children health care services delivered doorsteps read programs problems convincing parents children immunized delivered doorstep sheet informed risks side effects reactions scares david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
signs aquarius pennsylvania avenue organization dixie communications public access mouth south lines paolucci colorado paolucci paul writes article ipser technet ipser writes signs aquarius pennsylvania avenue biased decidedly funny dave stuff deleted hope enjoying lists stuff deleted clinton ipser simply stop reading intended flame post reminds joke patient doctor hurts doctor stop jeff 
italy domino fall lines reply hallam desy organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron experiment zeus hera article ipser technet ipser writes italy domino fall socialism collapsed eastern europe soviet disunion lingers western europe united states remains primary ideology hearts minds liberal academia media political correctness muster sufficient hold back economic forces threaten spread socialism collapse world apparent socialism survive turn century demonstrated remarkable knowlege socialism political system swedes discarded french made history turning socialist party record setting defeat italy appears precariously edge political existence leaves germany japan examples country wing government verge collapse elected socialist government italy today basket case european standards introduced taxes months public sector revenue mark left blame sides equally deep corruption scandal untained party northern league bunch nationalist separatists communist party collapsed spite political gluteny annual deficit exceeding countries public debt times latin america italy understandably trouble selling treasury bonds markets italy extreme case unique european governments headed direction spite nominally socialist governments europeans europeans discover american style liberty lurch socialism fascism quickly moved fascism socialism pausing reasseses role government hope wrong budget deficit regan bush created starts make claims europe collapsing based budget deficits scale europe interest ipser type freed countries narrow elite rich lawyers benefit super wealthy happy social democracy fuss made time newsweek remarkably reverse social welfare reforms brought socialism problem socialism started aims free education health care provision welfare state achieved europe struggling catch problem socialism succeeded claimed collapse socialism pretty decline nation state lead anarchy politicians essential services pork angeles rampant crime frantically waits wave riots spanking subway public transit system world economically viable extort payers mass transit police protection starts discus thinks europe hand heard european city world hurtle chaos century approaches opposite happening italy communist party collapsed meant grand coalition left wing parties communists collapsed magistrates seized opportunity crack hard fraud corruption arrested half politicians fact socialists charge week incidental corruption baddly happen fringe parties election parliamentary deputies replaced parties forced people free hint corruption parliament pavarotti porn stars phill hallam baker 
return party summary news software vnews keywords organization computer systems ingres product division lines article drieux writes article arizona engr arizona david anderson writes article drieux drieux drieux writes guess bible christianity american history helens spew crap manage drieux advocating american history bible restoration party easy drieux american ciao drieux hands comedy hands comedy call wild humour lemmings panicking snapped authur garrett johnson culture shock wait till garrett settled situation found bearings start panicking douglas adams 
foreign media reaction april part lines reply hallam desy organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron experiment zeus hera article ndallen node nigel allen writes press release united states information agency digest foreign media reaction united states information agency april national desk contact anne chermak united states information agency washington april part digest foreign media reaction april compiled united states information agency terrorism world insecurity recent editorials iran universally recognized source double threat state sponsored terrorism islamic extremism fear condemnation journalists found common ground compel north south arab arab nations work combat global threat terrorism egyptian algerian papers forefront charging complicity current instability middle east commentators asserted united states promoted islamic fundamentalism afghanistan added regional instability alternately encouraging iraq iran cads fact precisely mentioned fact regan bush sold arms iran fact supported armed iraq state dept propaganda surprizing india papers weighed pros cons helping west identify pakistan role promoting terrorism noting hand bring ruination islamabad kashmir bring india security apparatus uncomfortably close mossad arab papers continued portray iraq libya unfairly treated israel remains unpunished resolutions violated case lybia problem decided gadffii ordered bombing needed make peace damascus gulf syria lybia strange reason provide evidence lybian courts extradition proceedings faced similar demands reject country northern ireland president clinton message consolation victims warrington bombing british tabloids signalling tougher stance american government violence word terrorism problem behaviour george bush image abroad precisely likes interests comming dysney scripted sugary justification repeating fitting combination words freedom dignity democaracy terrorism dictatorship mend bridges iran people pissed supported shah loathed supported saddam mounted unprovoked attack surprizing embassy hostage crisis iran meant country unreasonable bigots movement easier move recognise iraqu responsibility initiating iran iraq providing technical assistance iran production back capacity smart move moment iran opec ceiling extra capacity bring oild price interests iranian clerics interest seeking raprochment simply permanent footing debilitating western technology phill hallam baker 
temper tantrums nntp posting host hqsun oracle organization oracle corporation redwood shores distribution disclaimer message written unauthenticated user oracle corporation opinions expressed user necessarily oracle lines article garrett writes article phil phil ronzone writes correct disgusting reports women coerced power office dozens today call resignation kind behaviour guess coercing women worse stealing breaking entering rigging national elections starting secret wars kill hundreds thousands powers office personal gain nixon garrett pathetic liar charges arguable obvious lies challenge present evidence nixon stole rigged national election mind elections powers office personal gain absolutely evidence events occurred normalized relations normalizing relations cambodia joking sponsored overthrow cambodian government repeated failed attempts level historical political knowlege exemplified fact stands cambodia china 
rich professors whining organization gifted damned summary soak keywords lines candidate clinton promised rich folks thought pretty nifty idea president clinton wanted families make bear burden quick complain figure income make ironic traditionally liberal enclaves area academia wealthy struggling mantle regular working class folk admit rich middle class rich throw stats census judge negvpyr mzimmers michael zimmers jevgrf article fogarty nasa fogarty writes thousand tenured professors expect make years experience making industry year veteran silicon valley precious employment call phds chump change median household income state area average household income range national average area national average figure income households cost living high national average angeles modest home prices square foot tract house area working class neighborhood doubt angeles market definition modest immoderate cheaper gainfully employed california upper middle class depends definition average thirds california households make belonging upper unreasonable definition upper middle class note professor spouse earns clinton rich families breakdown national california area household incomes census bureau weird rounding prespective minimum wage earner working hours week makes year poverty line family make government considers working poor decide call lower middle class bout annual income middle class upper middle class rich filthy rich bill gates make sense timr surer rich rich poor poorer meantime time raymond egan 
foreign media reaction april part organization dept univ illinois urbana champaign lines article hallam desy writes mend bridges iran people pissed supported shah loathed supported saddam mounted unprovoked attack surprizing embassy hostage crisis iran meant country unreasonable bigots movement easier move phill hallam baker widely stated mainstream sources large part overthrow popular popularly elected left leaning premier mossadegh widely recognized mentioned mainstream media iran dave kohr graduate student univ illinois urbana champaign work home mail uiuc 
newsweek reports clinton approval ratings organization nasa distribution lines article paul galvanek writes heard latest approval rating reported clinton laughed hard forgot exact numbers clintonettes refresh memory rating dropped percent snick lowest rating president mustered days polls started guess significance opposed incredible drop days office unfortuantely loss polls days office means election george finished started good rooster hard rooster 
state justice originator lines nntp posting host mahogany organization world champion minnesota twins article demon wright boomer writes judge denied trial motion witnesses occupant truck dead impact fire thoughts kind scary realize judges start denying trials evidence contradicts facts previous ruling conservative judiciary judge decided witnesses believed jury scalia point chance information tough conviced justice hope governor feeling charitable death texas denied trial dispite evidence inocents members previous jury parading talk shows proclaiming obvious bias judge verdict call trial happened jurors objective swept reagan revolution russ anderson disclaimer statements reflect employer twins jack morris innings pitched runs world series 
good neighbor political hypocrisy test organization visionaire francisco lines article rscharfy ohio state ryan scharfy writes article steveth steve thomas justify drugs dare friend mine smoke tuesday hits acid trouble aiming bowl takes dump results drug people screwed head answer sarcasm sarcasm working good stop people screwed head issue friend drugs legal legal continue issue illegal drugs screwed idiot problems harm hand threat life livelyhood sacrafice steve thomas steveth 
tories lottery clinton lines reply hallam desy organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron experiment zeus hera article columbia gary dare writes charles kozierok writes columbia gary dare writes canadian worked participates insurance negative option explicitly decline premium deducted separately americans problem money health care note canadian german health insurance voluntary true required insurance method collection effectively makes basic cable hutterite colonies western canada part mennon hutter fundamentalist protestants germany followers left world mennonites diverse hutterites similiar amish american idea floated today option live land selfish bastards number diminished recently president pinocchio hope reversal trend hoping selfish bastards pity years regan bush selfish bastard ecconomy country elect selfish bastard government country selfish bastards bush regan gave breaks ultra rich paid borrowing incomes middle class phill hallam baker 
role national news media inflaming passions organization propulsion laboratory pasadena lines distribution nntp posting host beowulf nasa article mike michael thomas writes article carlos nasa carlos carrion writes conclusion stations riot happen verdict surprising times pulitzers year suppose media happen report duhh surprising riot amazing carry desire subtle ways carlos favor superior position assigned white race abraham lincoln ames elroy devvax beowulf pituco carlos 
temper tantrums summary pathelogical liars news software vnews keywords organization computer systems ingres product division distribution lines article mfriedma oracle michael friedman writes article garrett writes article phil phil ronzone writes correct disgusting reports women coerced power office dozens today call resignation kind behaviour guess coercing women worse stealing breaking entering rigging national elections starting secret wars kill hundreds thousands powers office personal gain nixon garrett pathetic liar calling charges arguable obvious lies challenge present evidence nixon stole rigged national election mind elections powers office personal gain happened watergate broke building draw picture absolutely evidence events occurred panicking snapped authur garrett johnson culture shock wait till garrett settled situation found bearings start panicking douglas adams 
fillibuster lines reply hallam desy organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron experiment zeus hera article david veal writes original plan meant federal government british untrue wandering closer reality articles confederation fell proof federalist papers propaganda difficult determine precisely maddison emphasised limited role federal government necessarily true position house lords copied pretty wide powers started gridlock aware house lords wide powers impression pretty powerless compared house commons equal powers senate restricted introduce bills relating raising revenue senate powerful house lords period question stripping powers house lords occur david lloyd george budget house lords considerable power today rubber stamping body reading constitution writings absolutely reason senate intended make making powers fact grid lock appears designed system senate deliberative body check elected house system meant slow react problem ended slow basis suggest senate supposed sort rubber stamp house note president veto ridden house veto senate presiden veto meant separate bush abused extraordinary manner accord intent check unreasonable legislation veto regarded completely gasp measure meant restricted preventing legislature interfering actions executive senate meant rubber stamp body meant check unrestrained legislation extra measure built constitution favour status representatives states reasonable restriction 
fillibuster lines reply hallam desy organization desydeutsches elektronen synchrotron experiment zeus hera article mwilson atlantaga mark wilson writes article hallam desy phill hallam baker writes filibuster make sense senate elected gasp assembly designed repository doddery power phill senate discussing phill thinks senate supposed equivalent house lords status house lords today status show concerned phill idea talking maddison hamilton studying existing forms government years wrote federalist papers system based considerable degree model pretty widely accepted time major country representative body french plebicite suppressed years restoration years mark start french revolution system major influences dutch system classical systems suggests rome greece models political systems countries acknowleged disasters main lesson learnt greece federal state constructed inevitable greek democracies fighting rome managed invade federal consitution rejected roman empire shape britain reabsorbed colonies states throats louisiana purchase situation arose napoleonic period phill hallam baker 
state justice organization university washington school class lines nntp posting host stein washington demon wright boomer writes judge denied trial motion witnesses occupant truck dead impact fire thoughts witness burning truck dead unconscious kind scary realize judges start denying trials evidence contradicts facts previous ruling judge decided witnesses believed shouldn jury kind witnesses talking witnesses accident directly involved paramedics emergency room doctors trial trial screwed forgot call witnesses talking expert witnesses offer interpretations data note loser find witnesses grounds trial loser trial loser winner side expert witnesses smith 
distribution organization university kansas academic computing services lines article pajerek kodak pajerek writes media fair liberal conservatives conservative liberals cares pattern examples discussed years aristotle nicomachean ethics note insight reason backwards conservatives media liberal liberals media conservative media fair reasoning implied pajerek standard disclaimers apply miner ukans explain opinions chesterton 
bodycount article shelley qksooinnihu organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host byron washington thoughts count gorgeous bodies press white house staff junior senator king motss curious bias numbers brought bram bram currie bram washington 
incredible organization hewlett packard roseville site lines nntp posting host hprpcd rose newsreader version discover great called sovereignty lies people baud free confidential fictitious names subjects files contained find government scamming state citizenship documents issues california republic citizen federal citizen remember state citizens amendment subject federal income volunteer surrender state citizenship social security number laws issues beat traffic laws issues beat traffic tickets answer police officer arrest warrant issues ticket religious truth issues religions scams christian religions great creator trust documents issues sysop told instructions beat traffic tickets shortly beat traffic tickets court great spread word hear people talking federal reserve bank questions borrow money interest federal government federal reserve bank private american people ripped royally income federal debt federal reserve bankers dime services services military welfare excise taxes american people stand check 
fillibuster organization university tennessee division continuing education lines article hallam desy phill hallam baker writes article david veal writes original plan meant federal government british untrue wandering closer reality articles confederation fell proof federalist papers propaganda difficult determine precisely maddison couple ways support constitution appeal straightforward suggested constitution good idea primary situation emphasised limited role federal government necessarily true position hamilton dyed wool monarchist authoritarian extreme jefferson democratic impules suggest means determining opinions government wrote government writing support automatically propoganda point assume untrue house lords copied pretty wide powers started gridlock aware house lords wide powers impression pretty powerless compared house commons equal powers senate restricted introduce bills relating raising revenue senate powerful house lords period question senate powerful house lords state house representatives fact british government greater power american system reading constitution writings absolutely reason senate intended make making powers fact grid lock appears designed system senate deliberative body check elected house system meant slow react problem ended slow disagree system slow simply designed handle demanded handle washington forget congress city council congress capable quick action power time hands confined original jurisidiction allowed local autonomy case system government created failing operating conditions specifically wanted avoid concentration power proper thing reduce power house attempt grease wheels system moves quicker stupid things make sense make decisions local level basis suggest senate supposed sort rubber stamp house note president veto ridden house veto senate presiden veto meant separate bush abused extraordinary manner accord intent check unreasonable legislation explain bush abused veto extraordinary manner veto regarded completely gasp measure meant restricted preventing legislature interfering actions executive fail restrictions implied veto easily read means check democratically popular unwise executive opinion policies limit constitution president veto power bill previous presidents veto number reasons agenda curious single bush president abused vetos senate meant rubber stamp body meant check unrestrained legislation extra measure built constitution favour status representatives states reasonable restriction reasonable restriction senators magic holy number laws based senators feel safe state constituencies stand fillibuster sufficient question good idea evaluate earth sufficient enact covers million people diverse places living radically conditions shouldn super majority required system simple majority absolute power ignore minority minority positive thing republicans pork democrats legitimate objections legislation question david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
nlns fascism friendly face nntp posting host pogo organization thought police watchdog agency lines bars reactionary liberal conspiracy theory idiots rant rave erosion populist support typical elitist liberal attitude people incapable thinking elitist attitude eventual undoing arrogant liberal tide sweeping america people begin realize treated errant children robbed freedoms bunch utopian arrogent socialist jerks article talk politics misc liberation news service writes subject nlns fascism friendly face lines liberation news service subject nlns fascism friendly face written nlns nlns news nlns packet fascism friendly face rush limbaugh remind daevid bornhuetter machen madison edge main difference adolf hitler rush limbaugh hitler original showed initiative mort sahl snyder radio show radio network october find disagreeing populist rationale limbaugh find entertaining agree conclusions fact sends liberal reactionaries idiots roof makes entertaining nlns planning comparative review mein kampf limbaugh transcribed rant things sahl issued comparative review usual sahl independent sharp scalpel effort dream comparing favorably mort fairly popular orginating premise mention idea thought divinely inspired past delivery reactions based parallels obvious peripheral observer acts false prophets noted galvanizing oratorical skills passion generate political cult massive numerical proportions fact limbaugh claims audience million identical number votes cast hitler april german election myopic social perspective build cult enthusiastically amputated facts record fabricate ideological quilt find limbaugh oratory sizzling debating skills lacking conclusions correct suggest bankrupt leftist ideology hopes concentrated political power loaded force things defined elitist academics lead movement showing acute case myopic social perspective mention arrogance utter stupidity limbaugh perfect opponents established body politic media arguing federal control virtually aspects lives citizenry elimination local control affairs public limbaugh people tired treated errant children important group arrogant controlling myopic people understanding life operates oughta inside hopelessly closed minds point glaringly documented passages opening pages books hitler page claims german nationalist terrorist schlageter bombed part railway line dusseldorf duisburg caught betrayed france representative government factual foundation statement fact governments reich prussia vatican actively intervened save execution succeeded word work nice specific incident limbaugh suit making hysterically sarcastic claim introduction school commencement ceremony public places unconstitutional official imposition concepts individual unconstitutional limbaugh gleeful talent distortion hmm congress pass establishment religion prohibiting free exercise thereof liberal translation federal government long liberals force local school districts include iconic content christmas displays prohibiting limbaugh arguing imposition federal government religion nice specificity analysis historical modern communication media deleted mort sahl observed radio night cloutmeister radical limbaugh focal point propoganda remember sahl haig conservative days mort rush equivalent rodolf hess book suggests mclaughlin president radio limbaugh partner media radio program production company mort veteran talk show hosted york washington angeles evil lurks hearts major market media limbaugh collected audience opportunity silver platter handed limbaugh earns money honestly capone worthy rico indictment conspiracy profound proportions methinks resentful limbaugh success attribute primarily luck profound differences opinion successful operation conspiracy blind luck feel level knee jerk resentment lottery winners congratulate good fortune questions social issues overabundance material limbaugh book echo hitler venom great liberal movement america pushing hardest centralized fascist control people business government business partnership limbaugh populist nemesis movement read limbaugh book literary piece read recent memory venom venom comparable individual callously murdered millions racism qualifications control society hitler host millions people individually distinctly guess truth partly understand author emphasis step forward order form apodeictic force wavering world imagination great masses granite principles fight sole correctness playing waves free world thought brazen rock uniform combination form arises page tone oratory limbaugh media show devoted exclusively phrase half brain tied back make denotes egress mental aptitude require engage demolish liberals disagree years convinced media slowly reluctantly thinking kicking screaming pages neglect mention limbaugh listened show continuously encourages audience blindly media icon included mention makes bones show strictly opinions adopts satirical approach presumes audience intelligent distinguish satire seriousness contrast average mass media show audience treated society intellectual lowest common denominator adolf hitler master satire kidding jews germany problems needed exterminated religion basis nation hitler world human culture civilization inseperably bound existence aryan dying decline lower earth dark veils time culture dares hand highest image lord sins benevolent creator miracle helps expulsion paradise page religion perverse worship race christ hitler characterization aryan highest image lord fits christian doctrine limbaugh america founded judeo christian country intellectual political elites hostile ambivalent religion people belief charming superstition managed prayer public schools thirty years coincidence quality american education declined pages private religious schools vastly record success publicly funded schools american history primarily judeo christian suppose limbaugh pointing facts equivalent adolf hitler worshiping aryan race reaching popular culture reason social collapse hitler fight poisoning soul menus movie houses vaudevilles theatres deny kind food theatre literature movies press billposters window displays cleaned symptoms rotting world service moral idea state culture pages definite suggestion government control entertainment industry limbaugh today hollywood trouble reason hollywood forgotten audience make people ridicule traditional family heterosexuality monagamy disparage american heroes page guess limbaugh advocate government control hollywood call radio show confirm criticism hollywood depraved moral values espouses advocation government control hollywood liberals hand complete government control school systems government teach people early view religion morality limbaugh satirical young heads full mush hyperbole news meida hitler activity called liberal press work gravediggers german people german reich pass silence marxist papers lies task break people folkish national spine order make ripe yoke slavery international capital masters jews page pretty strong conspiracy theory insinuated implicit plea government power break conspiracy limbaugh elements media jumped bandwagon leftist cynical journalist past replaced cases enthusiastic cheerleader gulf correspondent bernard shaw global network sides sides realize freedom lies united states america defend nation hopelessly misguided suggest flirting megalomania pages indication elements media career selected categorization inferred larger percentage represented populace large leftist bias sound unreasonable insinuation report objective fashion reporters personal bias situation disingenuous megalomaniacal disagree exagerrated unreasonable opinion limbaugh make audience opinions unlike reporting purports achieve perfect objectivity actuality degree statistical sense reflect biases reporters disingenuous shaw limbaugh limbaugh expect oppose government control media continue comparative excerpts ultimately depressing reading depressing myopia tiresome liberal arrogance liberals love play games paradigms discrediting people disagree challenge conservative ideology intellectual level engaging ludicrous comparisons underpinnings ideology intellectual exist mind real world putting books undeniable fact haunts adolf hitler depressed frightened germans opiate hatred turn allowed germans hand collective national power nazis rush limbaugh thing distributing hatred depressed frightened americans turn helping american radical maintain power base year nightmare reagan bush hoping rebuild hopes fascist states america intellectually challenged percieve rush limbaugh hate monger experience spreading laughter ludicrous importance left hatred bush correct fascist economic leanings reagan hand reverse fascist trend government involvement business clinton increasing fascism america business government partnership increased levels taxation skipped vocabulary classes grade school limbaugh repellant hitler radical utilizes limbaugh gateway opiate ultimate drug plan hook america hmm limbaugh comparable hitler murdered million jews racism mixed race family attuned racism hear coming rush limbaugh place hear racism coming days liberal left liberal left movement america hooked opiates socialized medicine socialized transportation socialized education left america hopelessly addicted liberal drug social security chain letter clear hitler analogy apply rush limbaugh william jefferson clinton closer fascist clinton madison edge reached madison address idiots anonymous matt freivald liborgalism thinking irrelevant integrity irrelevant free speech irrelevant private property irrelevant personal responsibility irrelevant conservativism futile assimilated opinions employer 
bodycount organization berkeley lines nntp posting host zion berkeley thoughts count gorgeous bodies press white house staff junior senator king motss curious bias numbers brought enforcement people park service police cops aerial photographs extrapolate based density crowd small regions sort techniques derive army intelligence methods estimating troop strength tend methodologically skewed inflated numbers justify bigger budgets steve 
bolish selective service organization smithsonian astrophysical observatory cambridge lines selective service registration abolished start draft immoral agree military experts agree quality armed forces superior volunteer army draftees finally government lists computers social security admistration motor vehicle registries find maintaining list people utter waste money time department reduce deficit dave borden borden harvard 
clinton immunization program news software vnews organization university tennessee computing center lines article goykhman herring writes article jlinder ohio state jeffrey linder writes article mwilson atlantaga mark wilson writes news night clinton bashing republicans stonewalling called stimulus package small item package free immunizations poor kids immunizations children country free care problem cost irresponible parents stupid lazy live case nationawide state municipality funds area areas people immunizations cost shatter stereotypes case noticed clintonites pushing universal health care access program access means folks give damn immunizing children health care services delivered doorsteps disclaimer opinions expressed mine employer 
tories lottery clinton organization world public access unix brookline lines famous phill hallam baker article hallam desy writes article columbia gary dare writes charles kozierok writes columbia gary dare writes basic cable hutterite colonies western canada part mennon hutter fundamentalist protestants germany followers left world mennonites diverse hutterites similiar amish american idea floated today option live land selfish bastards number diminished recently president pinocchio hope reversal trend hoping selfish bastards pity years regan bush selfish bastard ecconomy country years spend government institutionalized dependency control good intentions expense country elect selfish bastard government country selfish bastards bush regan gave breaks ultra rich paid borrowing incomes middle class yeah clinton politician slick gang elitist socialist academics lead promised land hold breath charles 
capital gains increase loses money organization steering committee distribution lines uchicago article demon wright boomer writes long term investor large capital gains foolish sell order avoid hike disappear year overcome year accumlated gains response people capital gains taxes long term investors huge blip capital gains taxes raised find advantageous result readily noticeable distort trends brett eventual return figures correct wrong blip fails basic factors notes long term investor find oneself late anticipating expenses term require selling holdings choice waiting weeks taking extra selling december preferential treatment fool choose fact brett construct post calculations beneficial investors respects point plenty money style advice unsophisticated investors late sell save taxes case missed shortage similar advice late year nytimes advice based foregone conclusion enacted assumption clinton raise rates capping taxes contrary current proposal nice investors behave optimal economic interest assuming weightless ropes frictionless pulleys sort thinking fails describe accurately real world moral choose sort parents start rough george mark eckenwiler cmcl panix 
fillibuster summary proceedure news software vnews keywords organization computer systems ingres product division lines article hallam desy writes article david veal writes house lords copied pretty wide powers started gridlock aware house lords wide powers impression pretty powerless compared house commons equal powers senate restricted introduce bills relating raising revenue senate powerful house lords period question stripping powers house lords occur david lloyd george budget house lords considerable power today rubber stamping body power house lords panicking snapped authur garrett johnson culture shock wait till garrett settled situation found bearings start panicking douglas adams 
disaster distribution organization organization lines article phil phil ronzone writes apparently member religious left member religious left center fact religious result flames fact phil leave religion clouds issue show environmental disasters aren natural disasters individually outweigh made typical avoid events refrain word disaster upset case realize natural disasters oops events refering control made guess missed show earlier week disaster oops meant event exxon valdez natural occurance spread miles beach natural event remembered disaster similar called disasters love canal times beach disasters suppose natural tree sunrise worship trees owls snails fine push scaredness religious worship slick toxic waste dump live house cesspool front yard fine permission permission neighborhood live push shortsighted tunnelvision views rest russell hockins people innovative interfaces thing environmental disaster pretty weird opinions elses packet nocal 
hunt marine bashing wilmington verdict organization university illinois urbana lines tfarrell northeastern thomas farrell writes feel defendents convicted evidence truely civil rights convicted evidence mind sufficient court room listened case careful consideration conclusion good 
cramer evidence organization astronomy department boston university boston lines article phil phil ronzone writes article gsmith heidelberg gene smith writes libertarians draw clear line nambla statements member organization knew supported nambla supports abolishing consent supported organization organizations paper support abolition consent resemblance stops supports removal coercive paper facade legitimize sexual relations children difference practice amounts disgusting legal parties involved decide disgusting coercive children make informed consent brian kane buast astro young star astronomy dept boston university boston true personal salvation achieved absolute faith true 
limiting govt employment concentrate organization eecs department northwestern university lines article steveh steve hendricks writes article uucp paul schmidt writes steveh steve hendricks writes noted thread limiting govt problem libertarians face insuring limited government seek tool private interests pursue agenda failure libertarianism ideology provide reasonable restrain actions utopian dreams limited government provide opportunities private interests pursue agendas libertarians prove happen offer proof pretty damn plausible government regulate area tool private interests pursue agendas area suspect sort government tool tool instances marxism fails pure communism achieved state wither libertarians frequently fail show weakening power state result improvement human condition suspect improvement human condition define primary goal libertarianism primary goal libertarian government impression libertarianism primary goal elimination government coercion limited cases sutherland sans peur 
tories lottery clinton nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall lines phill hallam baker hallam desy writes columbia gary dare writes charles kozierok writes columbia gary dare writes canadian worked participates insurance negative option explicitly decline premium deducted separately americans problem money health care note canadian german health insurance voluntary true required insurance method collection effectively makes british phill living germany working rules liberal canada health insurance coverage condition mentioned times profile german sickness funds late pamphlets girlfriend language students german consulate voluntary quotation marks population covered sickness funds analogous provincial health insurances divided province state health care policy turkish guest workers covered written couple times post souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
gore throws ball media coverage originator lines nntp posting host mahogany organization world champion minnesota twins distribution article paul paul havemann writes article cray russ anderson writes article mwilson atlantaga mark wilson writes past thursday gore threw ball home opener atlanta braves news reports loudly booed norman typical beer swilling necks personally paid attention incident evening news describing event comment booed unusual normal audiences point celebrity delaying start game bunch crock heard incident thrower ceremonial ball booed quayle roundly booed milwaulkee year listening radio game quayle told brewers players play orioles alcs defending gore comparing quayle compared quayle gore mark heard incident thrower ceremonial ball booed mentioned incident media liberal bias heard quayle incident compare quayle elmer fudd back back quayle begone russ anderson disclaimer statements reflect employer twins jack morris innings pitched runs world series 
homosexuals distribution organization rutgers univ brunswick lines study discrediting kinsey views expressed theodore kaldis kaldis rutgers major university rutgers remus rutgers kaldis hold views 
california antidiscrimination sort case predicted organization exnet systems public access news london lines article cramer clayton cramer writes article rstevew richard steven walz writes face clayton found guilty gays make consensually year boys year gays recall case state rested testimony victim declined testify threat teens people face clayton jerk richard steven walz rstevew armory maple street safe free abortion women santa cruz organ surrogates unwanted parasites amazed people admit breaking putting address signature make statement district attorney year great hell turn purple rage time clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
manitoban candidate reply bross cosc brocku message organization harvard robotics harvard university lines bross cosc brocku brian ross writes world future bill clinton appoint canadians govern american institutions starting american health care system benevolent canadian dictators floated clinton administration free social programs begun suspect canadians long resentful place american shadow brainwashed american draft dodger fled canada time tutored ways canadian socialism awarded smokeless marijuana cigarettes correct answers returned states control domineering wife assigned case attain high public office destroy evil individualistic free market forces america shaping america canadian image steven smith 
limiting govt employment concentrate summary news software vnews keywords organization computer systems ingres product division lines article eecs sutherland writes article steveh steve hendricks writes article uucp paul schmidt writes steveh steve hendricks writes failure libertarianism ideology provide reasonable restrain actions utopian dreams limited government provide opportunities private interests pursue agendas libertarians prove happen offer proof pretty damn plausible government regulate area tool private interests pursue agendas area suspect sort government tool tool instances pardon interrupting bring possibilities government government government stop problems society deeper government democracies reflective majority society good government structural flaws society time restraints discuss communal society kibbutz studied depth heard kibbutz isreal successful close aristotle socrates believed detract discussion marxism fails pure communism achieved state wither libertarians frequently fail show weakening power state result improvement human condition suspect improvement human condition define primary goal libertarianism primary goal libertarian government impression libertarianism primary goal elimination government coercion limited cases good change tracable improvement human condition support change improve lives libertarians jump improve lives deal improving human condition primary goal organization sutherland panicking snapped authur garrett johnson culture shock wait till garrett settled situation found bearings start panicking douglas adams 
clinton press briefing myers organization project free software foundation mass cambridge lines nntp posting host life white house office press secretary release april press briefing myers briefing room postponed myers scheduling conflicts president meet leaders national police organizations rose garden opposed things schedule today meet general vessey vietnam continue working issue lunch vice president oval office meet police organizations weekly photos groups photo vessey myers coverage vessey meeting myers closed meeting lunch myers lunch coverage meeting congress people today myers scheduled meetings myers congressional meetings today president information pentagon reached conclusion validity report hanoi instructions vessey deal vietnamese subject myers report order business high agenda discuss president general vessey discuss parameters visit vietnam today president drawn conclusions report general vessey talk vietnamese president talk republican senators yesterday stimulus package myers spoke senator dole times myers night outcome myers continuing work kind agreement jobs package impression senator dole flexible myers hopeful kind jobs package senate continue work senator dole reach kind agreement discuss myers check myers president offering scale program dole sign myers protect important kind jobs package senate congress reach conclusions moment continuing consult members congress including senator dole talking myers talked republicans yesterday talking today myers scheduled rule president called dole subject russian dole brought conversation stimulus package correct myers president contacted people russian expected stimulus package jobs package part conversation senator dole primary objective conversation russian order business president mind linked politically republicans continue reject stimulus package thinks harder sell russian american people made argument myers talk specifically arguments made president committed jobs package american people outlined details additional russian night tokyo president stimulus package make difficult persuade americans vote russian accept vote russian myers president continue work pass stimulus package pass jobs package hopeful kind jobs package congress fair president negotiating dole myers discussing options stimulus understanding break democrats left support earlier package stimulus package myers wide support senate jobs package specifically lost democrats shelby myers vote kohl kohl feingold myers vote continue work senators majority bring package vote majority members united states senate support package worried kohl feingold george mention milwaukee projects myers george pointed number projects number states stand funded lose funding jobs package pass democrats laughter myers draw conclusions plan talk dole today republicans today myers specifically scheduled rule plan press releases states today myers process breaking benefits jobs package state state feasible sort able send press releases states suggest states benefit package share myers yesterday copies myers made yesterday continue provide today yesterday questions subsequent stories consideration issue myers changed yesterday president commented morning knew considered task force made decision business labor groups telling support myers speculate supports president support business labor groups directly contacted administration sounded business labor groups myers plenty public discourse years recently february president considered years road happened administration change mind myers yesterday working groups wide variety options funding specific options covered president health care plan president made decision answered question considered white house president comments february george reaffirmed briefing suddenly happened myers working groups instructed wide variety options board things talked kind added president table suddenly reappears credibility administration happened meantime myers president looked presented working groups wide variety options decisions made raises question independently task force working myers task force instructed options mandate options impression president left february impression left long range looked years road clear implication remarks table option bring repeatedly referred president remarks telling operation myers changed told laughter alice rivlin comments donna shalala comments orchestrated effort independent cabinet officers myers alice rivlin cabinet member orchestrated yesterday couple days looked confirmed yesterday options incumbent task force convince president words president personally ruled task force convince back table fact back table discussions president myers working group mission point convince president mission options explain benefits costs basic pros cons options present context point presentation made hear made decision present options specifically ruled myers correct trial balloon consideration working groups giving form taxation myers simply statement fact working groups wide variety options number issues relating health care reform options working groups examining possibility table time period telling myers specific timing drafting options telling consideration myers referring back president comments discovered taxes raise money fund core benefit package myers decisions made health care plan projections myers number options depending plan structured decide plan cost decide plan discuss financing options ruled told computer models number packages myers correct question determined taxes produce money barest minimum package difficult computation myers question answer number options considered depends package structured exact details package financing mechanisms decisions made president meeting health care health care advisors told myers correct funding options including heard word myers comment specific nature daily daily quasi regular briefings myers considered true statement presented option myers correct heard myers details discussed statement stands specific looked looked terms paying medical coverage looked general back chilicothe specific defining works advantages thing sounds myers chilicothe back remarks broader philosophical discussion structure comments generally reference economic plan thought broad context clear chilicothe process working groups considered working groups present number options decisions made comment details meetings health care issues discussed statement podium discussion place option option presented myers correct stand white house stand george statement march proposal myers decisions made follow stand rivlin yesterday kind considered code made regressive myers comment happen stand previous conversations february president exclude food energy myers comment specific structure decision made president aware prior donna shalala comments yesterday consideration working groups myers specifically check real important credibility question myers task force brought issue discussed beginning fairly painless raise money dark press office dark past month half denying considered table option myers working groups president made decision couple questions problem credibility primarily told thing considered coming telling case coming deliberately misleading myers deliberately misled podium shade told myers shade answers deliberately mislead issue find myers understand find answers helen find changed made option myers working groups broad mandate investigate options option investigate president table myers president made decision table february myers working groups present president point make decision table myers table table change mind myers back table bill change mind myers morning made decision table decision changed mind myers point looked options changed mind working groups authority exceeds president myers working groups broad mandate options income myers income afternoon return kind briefing myers planned briefing setting walk questions walked line line presidential forms myers briefings laughter myers kind formal briefing answer questions file joint form myers file myers filed today backgrounder miyazawa myers readout meeting backgrounder today myers backgrounder today complicated stuff laughter myers give taxes miyazawa confusing laughter vance owen opened doors force bosnia ruled influence thinking change approach myers change policy bosnia impact decision people opinions carry weight myers people opinions carry weight president supports process initiated change policy bosnia number options serbs back negotiating table sign kind agreement additional options regularly follow question straight answer administration deadline serbs strategic tactical reasons giving deadline table myers continuing pressure work myers effect continue tighten sanctions support omnibus resolution expect vote effect give documentation myers happy provide talk impact sanctions things able provide sanctions effect bosnia serbia bosnia myers effect serbia effect bosnia happy provide walk details hear show effect bosnia briefing terrible things happening belgrade impact fighting provide lines myers extra russian christopher announced morning money coming myers work congress details package money hope myers money addition billion announced vancouver assume billion package announced morning tokyo secretary christopher concern offering congress concern vancouver myers concern vancouver immediately required money approved fiscal budget longer term plan build billion announced vancouver require congressional approval continue work congress make happen extent vetted agreed congress myers president number conversations members continue work process moves forward christopher able package fair degree understanding able congress myers created consultation congress meeting enforcement officials speech goal direction myers president talk enforcement organizations endorsing president jobs package summer jobs package give kids myers members leadership organizations napo national association police organizations ibpo international brotherhood police organizations iupa international union police associations chief myers chief federal enforcement officials myers president national enforcement organization leaders billion announced today include million budget disarmament myers nunn lugar money separate million budget billion myers million budget part supplemental fiscal myers work congress exact funding mechanism paid billion myers million million nunn lugar money announced earlier prompted president call dole tranche previous money calling dole myers correct briefing miyazawa myers readout meeting miyazawa tomorrow totally unrelated matter republicans active chamber commerce complaining cozy relationship white house chamber commerce town hall meeting night satellite relationship white house feel close chambers commerce myers interesting charge laughter years democrats accused paying attention chambers accuse close interesting thrilled support received national chamber local chambers country continue work initiatives status president thinking democratic retreat myers calendar days myers figured open coverage myers thing closed kind address statement rights march myers made final decision make statement meetings scheduled leaders myers scheduled rule aids czar myers coming weekend suggestion retreat avoid participate rights involvement rights march myers discussing long time appearing senate democratic retreat weekend myers weekend thing radio address saturday travel plans myers campaigning stimulus package myers specific plans week myers travel week weekend called thurmond daughter myers check drug czar weekend myers weekend radio address saturday focused stimulus package myers press 
clinton gore joins students orlando kids earth summit organization project free software foundation mass cambridge lines nntp posting host life white house office vice president release contact heidi kukis thursday april julia payne gore joins students orlando kids earth summit part special town meeting environment saturday april orlando florida wasington joining students united states world kids earth summit vice president gore travel orlando florida saturday participate special town hall meeting hosted linda ellerbee broadcast nickelodeon hear young people concerns share ideas environment vice president part kids world council plan planet saturday orlando florida tour display student environmental projects videotape town hall meeting discuss student delegates concerns environment plans environmentally sound future town hall meeting moderated linda ellerbee taped news special nickelodeon special edition plan planet sunday april sponsored nickelodeon children earth fund young people care environment affects future country world young people speaking environmental challenges face identifying problems thinking solutions demanding action leaders vice president kids world council delegates meeting days orlando discuss save energy switch renewable energy format goals earth summit place year janeiro vice president senate delegation earth summit forward hearing young people environment future insight world important vice president schedule vice president saturday april vice president tours display student environmental projects nickelodeon studios orlando florida vice president takes part town hall meeting kids world council delegates linda ellerbee nickelodeon studios orlando florida vice president departs kids world council washington note press attend contact eileen parise marty ruden florida 
clinton remarks enforcement leaders organization project free software foundation mass cambridge lines nntp posting host life white house office press secretary release april remarks president enforcement organizations rose garden president good afternoon ladies gentlemen months presented comprehensive plan reduce national deficit increase investment american people jobs economic future federal budget plan passed congress record time created sense hope opportunity country short term jobs plan presented congress create half million jobs years passed house representatives weeks support majority united states senate members congress time economy moving growth fast start investments build lasting prosperity minority members united states senate gridlock tactics prevent colleagues working majority jobs bill congress returns senator state parties remember stake issue politics people sixteen million full time jobs find women care washington care paying rent meeting mortgage payment putting food table buying shoes children regaining sense dignity work supporting families drawing paycheck privilege serving politics move economy forward prepared working senate adjusted package meets concerns blocking action jobs plan compromise long focus jobs focus growth focus meeting unmet national opponents smaller package today join determining kind size package congress approve meets american people make reductions package smaller address problems minds millions americans toughen enforcement society deal dramatic rise violent crime reduced package additional million federal funding local communities rehire police officers laid fiscal problems caused national recession matching effort local governments police officers back back beat communities nation time people live fear violent crime businesses closed people lost jobs people afraid leave homes rehiring thousands officers investments america make houses congress make investment people safety piece mind strong federal action economy recovery create jobs make mistake fight priorities hard forget people fight jobs future fundamental change police officers today single knew determined money jobs bill rehire police officers summer jobs portion package free talk enforcement concern fact wanted kids country chance jobs summer safer streets brighter peaceful future today good enforcement good people live communities supported community policing helps prevent crime lower crime rate cements relationships people enforcement people hired protect reduces chances abusive action police officers increases chances harmony safe streets time kinds things promised campaign police officers street years makes good downpayment mind core jobs package move forward people senate blocked jobs bill work accept reduced package increase commitment safe streets accept fact reduce commitment summer jobs building infrastructure things create real lasting prosperity people part gridlock give people platform chance make remarks heard american people beginning janet reno distinguished attorney general president jobs package jeopardy controversy suggestion point congressional dialogue president relationship made absolutely decision support business community labor community people asked enormous burden present system major employers depend generate jobs carry strength economy made absolutely decision approach kind general personally american public ready health care business labor leaders president speculate real issue quickly recycle benefits savings cover cost proposing streamline insurance system system longer enormous economic incentive utilize provide services provide primary preventive care places single analysis shows absolutely massive savings health care system real question transfer savings cover coverage virtually coverage provide people security idea polls polls press commissioned overwhelmingly american people security affordable health care system stimulus people foremost announced willingness compromise stimulus package parts package vital uncompromisable assume summer jobs president summer jobs highway program police program intend intend fully aggressively push crime bill pass congress year supplement substitute ryan white funds enormous health care burdens communities inordinately disproportionately affected problems caring people aids things agriculture department meat inspectors safety public depends number things senator mitchell senator byrd talked senator dole called yesterday discuss told call back called back night hampshire discussed basically asked talk today make statements specifics chance talk reach accord specific talk talked senator dole senator mitchell increase million part package president told senator left word senator mitchell night talked senator dole remember mentioned prepared reduce package wanted break gridlock told working reformulation hope focused jobs kinds issues thought american people wanted address consistent 
high speed rail organization dept university texas austin lines distribution nntp posting host coltexo utexas article mcgoy david mcgaughey writes question general public train train lubbock texas inexpensive travel provided dallas houston people dallas houston totally agree people benefit live cities train stops drive train station lubbock farther drive train station nearest national airport spending billion system cities benefit 
clinton president trip pittsburg organization project free software foundation mass cambridge lines nntp posting host life white house office press secretary release april statement press secretary president travel pittsburgh saturday april talk creation plan impact state pennsylvania create full time jobs summer jobs make public address pittsburgh international airport president leave washington early saturday morning return afternoon white house press charter depart andrews force base filing facilities pittsburgh 
high speed rail organization dept university texas austin lines distribution nntp posting host coltexo utexas article black writes rail texas california conclusion choices preventing economic strangulation traffic high speed rail growth limits growth limits traffic congestion understand rail stop places waco bryan lots intermediate places live austin train rare occasions year dollars ticket drive cheaper price 
signs aquarius pennsylvania avenue organization yale university science engineering unix haven lines nntp posting host minerva yale signs aquarius pennsylvania avenue uniform persona grata home commander chief algore enviro mentalism make clean industrial policy higher taxes prescription ails america dodging unpatriotic draft dodging symbol pride beaded curtains hang oval office windows socialism dead soviet union told prepare nationalization health care resources people inhaling free love eating flowers considered healthy feminazis president white house rest realize slick draft dodger send american troops combat slick unpopular middle class americans campus professorial class copyright edward ipser response ipser list time president stand military women uniform learn world revolve things defending critical denounce explain environmental policy industrial policy hand hand nation planet afford continue ignoring twelve years industrial environmental position downright shameful active government support industries telecommunications microelectronics medical biotech environmental tech weed inneficient high polution industries left nations make richer produce jobs environment give credit credit heard speech senator john kerry tonite addition time issues overpopulation globabl warming ozone depletion planet live utmost priority takes money make country work provide services people solve problems solved granted things efficiently money things cost money sick tired hearing whining taxes time live country fair share hypocrites people people give lives country complain taxes send stupid obsession fighting enemy affect worst friend taxes beaded curtains lovely esque touch canada europe japan manage provide health care citizens basic health human people entitled nations capitalist guess found capitalism sacred capitalist system socialism works capitalism make love contrary popular belief male feminist time discriminate deny equal opportunity majority population plain wrong force sort tradition role worse women offer world gender discrimination finally broken make revolutions past centuries reform bills forward number acadamia rules amar chaudhary peace land matzoh opinions reflect opinions yale university post reponses send chaudhary amar yale 
clinton immunization program nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article goykhman herring writ article jlinder ohio state jeffrey linder writes article mwilson atlantaga mark wilson writes news night clinton bashing republicans stonewalling called stimulus package small item package free immunizations poor kids immunizations children country free care problem cost irresponible parents stupid lazy case noticed clintonites pushing universal health care access program access means folks give damn immunizing children health care services delivered doorsteps excuse sticking nose parent parents allready immunize children free deserve frigging dime money health care public health care service immunization program coming national health care issue slightly seperate issues kids deserve ryan 
role national news media inflaming passions organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article clas virginia greg hennessy writes article cramer clayton cramer writes lower profile reporting victim prostitute paid false accusation evidence woman question prostitute defense alledged clayton difference clayton difference evidence prostitute status admittedly questionable claim trial included prior employment number massage parlors women claimed worked prostitute walking truck stop wearing lace miniskirt halter underwear sort purse convict create reasonable doubt rape place theft services ignorant lying judge found credible evidence marines engaged defense judge found prosecution carry burder proof small clipping clarinews fair guidelines hanover district court judge jacqueline morris goodson ruled benchtrial state failed carry burden proving marines acted injury accounts evening news claimed defense judge agreed operating greg hennessy university virginia clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
california insurance commissioner endorses federal legislation protect consumers scam insurance companies distribution organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article gadfly gadfly writes article cramer clayton cramer writes options exist agree welfare invented solve problem poverty worse economic infra structure eroded philosophy economy collapsed excuse philosophy idea philosophy american economy downs number prevailing economic philosophies economics science lifetime philosophy socialism masquerading liberal welfare state ascendancy wrote welfare system deal wholly inadequate cope current state affairs absolutely response socialists socialism fathers work germane single mothers true promotion casual sexuality plays part single mother problem lots reasons extremely list flash media attention bunch middle class dropouts philosophy experimentation flash subculture utterly dominated movie industries decades subculture personal subculture dominating movie industries money sell recent movements boycott advertisers shown sensitive sells happened personal responsibility personally responsible decline extent people encouraged responsible major problem society today lack employment lack people work single mother laid hour hospital works full time minimum wage jobs barely able support barely proud public assistance jobs find menial benefits career path find excuses people hire give raises perks cheaper oddly unskilled semiskilled people manage find employment immediately move cheaper part country jobs plentiful cost living lower west side chicago cheap squalor city places cheap live jobs abundant pass sonoma county live strange wondrous place inexpensive housing cheap angeles lots employment utterly surrounded socialists suppose sort environment attract socialists dissuade areas wealthy breed socialists spoiled rich kids feeling guilty wealth guilty give politicians limited wealth people eager work system makes feasible welfare enjoys jobs expanding industrial capacity mill work skills learn future mcdonalds experience opposite california cramer hippiedom budget operation drugs cheap money referring families druggie cohabitators afdc doubt drugs left buying food place read cases makes news show statistics afdc abuse relatives drugs food secondary perlow clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
lincoln slavery tricks play american voter organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article timbuk chris brewster writes craig depken writes fact south number slave owners true small numbers hundred slaves references exact numbers bearing discussion figure total number slave owners figure slaves farmers slaves chris brewster mail address region total population free blacks slaves confederacy union slave states union states union free states clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
evidence organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article kane young star writes immoral homosexuality promiscuity fetishism characterizes hmm told monogamous years fetishes homosexual changed story maintain homosexual activity immoral care elaborate matter explain fetishes immoral kane buast astro young star astronomy dept boston university fact fetish important making love case clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
study percentage organization optilink corporation petaluma lines santa rosa press democrat april male survey activity natonal study male sexual behavior examination american sexual practices published kinsey report decades shows percent surveyed engaged homosexual percent considered exclusively homosexual figures homosexuality study released wednesday alan guttmacher institute significantly lower percent figure part conventional wisdom published kinsey report article numbers number sexual partners median number sexual partners compared table posted masters johnson kolodny showing male homosexual partners apparent homosexual dramatically promiscuous general male population shame breakdown straight show dramatically promiscuous clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
concentrate child molesters organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article snodgras snodgrass writes article clas virginia greg hennessy writes article cramer clayton cramer writes homosexuals paid higher insurance rates straights good reason government made illegal philosophy children insurance premiums children afforded insurance companies prenatal birthing children born horrible flaws cost system alive part society care oddly dependent coverage costs claims make money starting homosexuals health insurance refuse insure breeders shudder premiums snodgrass clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
tories lottery clinton nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article hallam desy writes article columbia gary dare writes charles kozierok writes columbia gary dare writes canadian worked participates insurance negative option explicitly decline premium deducted separately americans problem money health care note canadian german health insurance voluntary true required insurance method collection effectively makes selfish bastards number diminished recently president pinocchio hope reversal trend hoping selfish bastards pity years regan bush selfish bastard ecconomy country elect selfish bastard government country themselve selfish bastards bush regan gave breaks ultra rich paid borrowing incomes middle class country ruined fact booming compared election hell reagan bush caused lame pathetic wrong reagan bush economy grew trillion dollars entire economy germany kind gentle country peoples books joke ryan 
clinton press release usia appointments organization project free software foundation mass cambridge lines nntp posting host life white house office press secretary release april american university president joseph duffey named head usia mica chair board international broadcasting washington president clinton today announced intention nominate american university president state department assistant secretary joseph duffey director united states information agency president designated daniel mica chairman board international broadcasting duffey expertise fields education communications foreign affairs vast serve takes helm usia works promote ideals democracy freedom abroad president president american university washington duffey previously served years chancellor president university massachusetts amherst served assistant secretary state education cultural affairs state department duffey served chairman national endowment humanities presidents carter reagan duffey served united states delegate general conference united nations educational scientific cultural organization duffey served joint head delegation observing national elections ethiopia usia celebrates anniversary year independent foreign affairs agency executive branch explains supports foreign policy national security interests abroad wide range information programs agency programs fulbright academic program voice america worldnet satellite television system network overseas libraries cultural centers agency posts countries press release mica chairman board international broadcasting serving member board mica excellent board international broadcasting expect continue chairman promote democracy abroad president biographical sketches appointees follow joseph duffey served president american university prior tenure american duffey served chancellor president university massachusetts amherst guest scholar brookings institution served chairman national endowment humanities assistant secretary state education cultural affairs department state duffey holds honorary degrees american colleges universities named commander order crown king belgium member council foreign relations duffey received marshall university andover newton theological school yale university harvard seminary foundation duffey member national business higher education forum founder chairman western massachusetts economic development conference duffey married anne wexler sons daniel mica representative district florida served board international broadcasting tenure congress served house committee foreign relations appointed president reagan congressional representative united nations 
abortion feminist leader endorses trashing free speech rights organization ncsu lines arrested defying judge order abortion protest rally miami herald april melbourne florida circuit judge robert mcgregor order prohibits anti abortion pickets feet property line aware woman center choice street display pictures dead fetuses sing chant loud heard patients inside clinic protesters ruling wiped amendment constitution sidewalk carroll landscaper marched children mary grace john rescuer trespasser sidewalk protesting abortion protesting denial rights assembly religion speech judge trashing constitution children grandmother sobbing carroll father arrested clinic eleanor smeal president washington based feminist majority foundation called florida legislature congress pass laws tough judge order covers brevard seminole counties freedom speech total psychological warfare violence ridiculous clinics court court protection 
defamation league organization mcsnet contributor chicago lines distribution world nntp posting host localhost posted doubt retyped yigal ahrens importance issue total blackout california reposting appropriates groups times friday april evidence operation seized police richard paddock times staff writer francisco police thursday served search warrants anti defamation league angeles seizing evidence nationwide intelligence network accused keeping files political groups newspapers labor unions people describing operation great detail francisco authorities simultaneously released voluminous documents telling operatives anti defamation league searched trash infiltrated organizations gather intelligence arab american wing called pinko organizations representatives anti defamation league organization jewish community dedicated fighting anti semitism declined detailed comment thursday denied breaking laws police allege organization maintains undercover operatives gather political intelligence cities including angeles francisco groups focus operation span political spectrum including groups klux klan white aryan resistance operation rescue greenpeace national assn advancement colored people united farm workers jewish defense league list mills college board directors francisco public television station kqed francisco guardian newspaper people subjects operation included republican pete mccloskey jailed political extremist lyndon larouche angeles times foreign correspondent scott kraft based south africa authorities material collected groups confidential information obtained illegally enforcement agencies alleged data individuals organizations sold separately south african government addition allegations obtaining confidential information police anti defamation league face total felony counts properly reporting employment chief west coast bullock affidavit filed justify search warrant anti defamation league disguised payments bullock years funneling week beverly hills attorney bruce hochman paid bullock documents released francisco hochman president jewish federation council greater angeles state leading attorneys city late week reached comment office hochman prosecutor member panel appointed pete wilson secretly make initial recommendations federal judges california hochman regional president anti defamation league league initially cooperated police denied repeatedly intelligence gathering operation broke laws league officials confirm deny bullock employee simply traded information police departments people involved hate crimes affidavit filed obtain warrants thursday searches francisco police alleged employees apparently truthful providing information earlier search conducted warrant david lehrer executive director angeles office organization violated nefarious operate record speaks police affidavit contends lehrer sole control secret fund fact finding operations lehrer documents signed checks account patterson official account subscriptions wide variety extremist publications balk sending directly anti defamation league bullock collecting intelligence years defended efforts lengthy interview francisco police gathered names sources entered computer headings skins pinkos necessarily surveillance call bullock files threat civil rights appears files pinko recent years bullock worked closely francisco police officer gerard fled phillippines fall questioned case employee gerard supplied bullock criminal records department motor vehicles information home addresses vehicle registration physical characteristics drivers license photographs files gathered anti defamation league gerard bullock provided information south african government receiving years documents show file times staff writer kraft apparently sold south african government insight miss nature operation file notes kraft articles frequently times researched written file accurate entry confuses times kraft scott kraft south african government wrong kraft physical description photograph personal information documents provide illuminating details bullock decades infiltrated manner organizations skinheads left wing radicals searching regularly trash target groups anti defamation league funds paid informants code names scott scumbag worked closely police officers coast exchanged information worked federal agencies including bureau alcohol tobacco firearms bullock work paid informant spying behalf anti defamation league south african government proved undoing learned agent foreign government began investigating leading probe anti defamation league intelligence network anti defamation league employed undercover operatives gather information angeles francisco york washington chicago louis atlanta affidavit investigators joining francisco police searching league offices angeles bank investigators office francisco dist atty arlo smith state franchise board angeles police department earlier refused cooperate investigation informed searches angeles invited participate investigators suspect confidential information anti defamation league files angeles police officers angeles times saturday april vows cooperate investigation richard paddock times staff writer francisco anti defamation league defended record civil rights group friday cooperate authorities investigating organization collected confidential police information citizens groups francisco dist atty arlo smith anti defamation league employees involved intelligence gathering face felony counts receiving confidential files eavesdropping violations conspiracy police accused anti defamation league truthful spying operations collected information individuals political groups political spectrum hundreds pages documents released prosecutors thursday show maintained nationwide intelligence network files political figures smith suggested anti defamation league shut operation prosecutors account deciding charges file statement released washington national director abraham foxman jewish defense agency fought protect minorities bigotry discrimination years foxman organization regarded credible source extremist groups tradition routinely providing information police journalists academics government officials public policy obtain information illegally journalists order protect confidentiality physical safety sources comment nature identity source information foxman anti defamation league refused acknowledge longtime employees bullock private individual alleged informant documents released prosecutors detailed statements showing funneled weekly payments bullock beverly hills attorney bruce hochman penetrate organizations needed arrangement distanced hochman told francisco police investigator hochman reached friday home office comment anti defamation league assertion cooperate authorities francisco police group turn pertinent documents voluntary search group offices angeles francisco fall round searches thursday time search warrants produced vast quantity records primarily dealing financial transactions smith searches month charges filed investigation facts lead district attorney yigal arens made arens 
army fraction communique reply cmort christopher morton organization north coast public access cleveland lines quoted ualberta merth eric william article cmort christopher morton writes quoted hallam desy phill hallam baker wonderfull people make sadistic indescriminate murder bader meinhof gang sound altruism phil remember people monitoring remember sense humor damn brother time thought revolutionaries blowing things killing innocent person process love proles dialectical materialism save killed fool fail order make nightmarish stew psychosis repression break eggs evil productive elements society eggs damn spirit full speed ahead bunch educated york jewish aclu lawyers fighting eliminate school prayer public schools arkansas holly silva 
clinton press briefing george stephanopoulos organization project free software foundation mass cambridge lines nntp posting host life white house office press secretary release april press briefing george stephanopoulos briefing room stephanopoulos good afternoon lawn stephanopoulos nice cherry blossoms president stimulus package dead stephanopoulos absolutely dole talks good visit compromise stephanopoulos president good talk senator dole night specific compromises side good discussion jobs package issues president called senator dole tuesday night talk russian package speak senator dole called back wednesday morning president spoke tony lake close conversation wanted speak president jobs stimulus package finally talked yesterday afternoon close discussion talk night senator hampshire specific compromises made side continue discussions giving standing making concessions stephanopoulos phase compromise made president consistently intends forward adjusted package believes package believes adjustments minority release make adjustments subject stephanopoulos stay minute stephanopoulos problem minutes decisions made lead health group stephanopoulos andrea road decisions made president morning number groups number members congress number organizations recommended looked working group decisions made follow directly labor business groups touch president stephanopoulos knowledge people public decisions support president made decision meetings task force advisers discussed funding issue options stephanopoulos presented decision decision discussed option stephanopoulos levels briefing presented president decide considered stephanopoulos considered knew discussed advisers stephanopoulos president considered level discussion working groups stage stephanopoulos metaphysical debate considered reviewed stephanopoulos true repeated george concern result definite statement made february promise considered trickle development credibility issue stephanopoulos public knowledge considered embarrassed absolute statements made platform effect table considered people stephanopoulos wait administration talking president stephanopoulos people program stephanopoulos march march stephanopoulos circumstances change understand find rooting fine print interview stephanopoulos rooting good read today article laughter deputy director secretary health human services common anytime write story unattributed quote clinton administration headline story clinton money spying remark considered stephanopoulos administration concerned stephanopoulos absolutely morning dragged yesterday stephanopoulos dragged deputy director secretary health human services considered administration administration policy authorized trial balloons orchestrated leaks stephanopoulos asked questions answered questions dragged made clear yesterday stephanopoulos absolutely clear painfully clear political strategy making clear administration increase stephanopoulos issue considered asked considered answered considered george york times yesterday stephanopoulos asked york times reports today secretary reich chief economist labor department apples oranges numbers order portray month unemployment figures supportive president stimulus bill turned totally false stephanopoulos totally false laughter chief economist labor department grant inappropriate mixing question president concerned behavior amounts corrupting government data stephanopoulos chief economist mistake made happen matter information president back stimulus package stephanopoulos separate pieces information confusion learn mistake made stephanopoulos read article morning president aware stephanopoulos aware read york times stephanopoulos knowledge hear morning stephanopoulos didn president erroneous spin purpose speeches arguments stephanopoulos statements true labor department granted mixing sentence essentially misleading mistake drop choose spin make issue stephanopoulos fewer people work gratified jobs package back stimulus package minute president plans forward amendment timetable amendment laid monday voted tuesday conversation dole talk possibility putting days give time discussion stephanopoulos point schedule discussed timing closer closer week week stephanopoulos pass jobs package president prepared make adjustments order happen votes cloture time happen vote president believes deeply jobs package indication situation changed stephanopoulos continue work votes george week people administration dole immovable subject compromise compromise wanted accept week talking realized peeling effort work stephanopoulos senator dole wanted talk president stimulus package initiated conversation stephanopoulos secretary reich morning fact president compromise bill making stephanopoulos indication compromises compromise president compromise president compromise make adjustments officials yesterday panetta working series adjustments made public actual vote stephanopoulos today stephanopoulos happen forward sort package senate democrats forward sort package order passed understood conversations dole discussion back tonight details adjustments phrase offer details adjustments stephanopoulos question detailed general discussion package night subsequent conversation yesterday afternoon follow discussions today senate necessarily president senator dole reiterate side made specific compromises date suggesting senator dole accepted talked offered hard follow discussions president dole stephanopoulos senator mitchell talk senator dole threat laughter president senator dole number size dole president high talk numbers stephanopoulos negotiation respect discussion positions discuss actual numbers stephanopoulos talked basic outlines packages talked programs cared level billion dollars dole sign package stephanopoulos white house protesters showed hampshire today senator dole speaking organized stephanopoulos knowledge president touch senators kohl feingold stephanopoulos talked george president palatable fact national sales haves continuously nots scrap proposed privileged haves nots stephanopoulos president believes deeply rates upper income americans presented budget half question refer briefing yesterday george subject accuracy information suggested stimulus package included money solve water problem milwaukee apparently true waste water money stephanopoulos waste water money wisconsin milwaukee affect drinking water problem waste water money stephanopoulos affect water treatment implication statement disease problem milwaukee agree case stephanopoulos specifics water treatment wisconsin leftover question morning president find task force deliberating stephanopoulos assume time commented past days march stephanopoulos exact date george president morning mentioned labor business groups apparently national association manufacturers talks replaces president feel place proposed totally addition taxes proposed stephanopoulos point considered health care working groups president made decisions finance health care replace finances replace income instance stephanopoulos discussions terms congress senator dole press release today chance congress chance stephanopoulos idea consideration forward stephanopoulos consideration president decide consideration beginning briefing circumstances changed caused consideration stephanopoulos president referred morning groups forward considered circumstances changed difference emphatically ruled groups asked considered stephanopoulos true stephanopoulos fact understanding taxes produce money health care benefits stephanopoulos deliberations george stephanopoulos consideration president groups forward working groups thing changed prior statement prior statement stephanopoulos explain groups information groups wanted reading newspaper groups make presentations stephanopoulos groups health care task force dozens groups president knowledge groups forward stephanopoulos referring coming working groups published positions newspapers groups briefed group presentations stephanopoulos briefed detailed briefings working groups decided pressed groups kind arguments groups make persuasive president change position enunciated previously stephanopoulos longstanding positions good finance health care president aware longstanding positions stephanopoulos level governor long time basic arguments figure telling change thing affected change president attitude february stephanopoulos president attitude necessarily changed made decision president table thing changed positions groups describing longstanding positions change groups change position made president stephanopoulos made presentations health care task force relationship fact taxes suggested february favored produce revenue finance stephanopoulos suggested produce revenue suggested thought ways finance health care stephanopoulos refute fact task force discovered revenue taxes finance kind core benefits stephanopoulos task force suggested george advocated break promise raise taxes middle class programs stephanopoulos comment hypothetical situation promise promise raise taxes middle class programs prevent seeking stephanopoulos president made decisions explain implications specific groups cite business labor recommendations health care task force prompted consideration stephanopoulos specific george extend alternatives instance employer taxes financing options table options stephanopoulos members task force representatives working groups wide variety options magaziner options consideration comment scope stephanopoulos comment scope talking produced combination stephanopoulos health care task force briefing miyazawa visit questions generally president hope meeting specifically task complicated japanese anger vancouver note remark market access press conference stephanopoulos vancouver note stephanopoulos prime minister press conference asked question note gave gracious complete answer asked question questions trade discussed prime minister president trade imbalance japan comments prime minister made suggested united states heavy terms trade oblige stephanopoulos president state views trade views trade deficit necessarily agree characterization prime minister comments specific export targets specific numerical targets discuss miyazawa stephanopoulos broad discussion wide range trade issues specifics meeting crux issue president specific numerical targets press conference sort hopeless change stephanopoulos president believes pressure japan turn trade imbalance specifics president stimulus package announced yesterday rectify imbalance stephanopoulos president full briefing stimulus package prime minister miyazawa make comment russian package confusion views secretary christopher bentsen japanese japanese heard stephanopoulos continue work allies continue press russian reform russian democratic reform good announcement tokyo continue work allies bilateral packages japanese stephanopoulos continue work allies secretary christopher asked today today show morning thought margaret thatcher comments bosnia policy emotional response stephanopoulos emotional issue emotional problem white house condone kind remark stephanopoulos secretary christopher remarks speaks president believes deeply troubling situation find answers specific emotional response specific term stephanopoulos speaks connection numbers people killed moment good american policy decisions made boris yeltsin referendum stephanopoulos stronger action military action strikes stephanopoulos president believes push harder sanctions administration discussing lifting arms embargo believes ways increase pressure time response critics stymied boris yeltsin retain presidency stephanopoulos wrong pressing hard serbs negotiating table pressing hard increased sanctions talking allies arms embargo putting great store vance owen people agree vance owen military force extent acceptable change thinking stephanopoulos listen people time situation point president moving forward sanctions talking arms embargo follow comment morning able provide administration officials document effect sanctions bosnia able stephanopoulos stephanopoulos true situation kind evidence provided bosnia connections bosnian serbs serbs belgrade tightening screws serbs belgrade effect time minute minute kind exact effect slowing shipment goods belgrade effect serbs kind effect eventually bosnian serbs thing effect fighting lady returns released stephanopoulos joint return today president signing executive order banning discrimination homosexuals federal work force part rights march week stephanopoulos proposal time president promised campaign stephanopoulos plate meeting rights leaders point issue stephanopoulos issue assume meet representatives lesbian community meets representatives lots groups communities scheduled stephanopoulos tomorrow tomorrow laughter good thing asked laughter stephanopoulos long stephanopoulos tomorrow laughter stephanopoulos time tomorrow environmental groups asked make major speech week kind happen stephanopoulos asked president planned year give speech earth expect earth planning sign announce signing biodiversity treaty connection earth stephanopoulos specific timing discussion working campaign finance reform stephanopoulos working week stephanopoulos biodiversity treaty working missed question stephanopoulos working asked ready signed working organizations represented meeting lesbian groups stephanopoulos reconsider town march stephanopoulos senate meeting jamestown giving speech american association newspaper publishers boston sunday year told pressed question stephanopoulos gays stephanopoulos president schedule george publisher speech sunday stephanopoulos sunday saturday jamestown stephanopoulos jamestown stephanopoulos long senate thing overnight made meeting public stephanopoulos meeting open press told time history president oval office stephanopoulos oval office laughter laughter white house bush administration officials invited bill signing ceremony white house repudiate wanted make stephanopoulos president marching orders president give general vessey stephanopoulos good discussion half hour today wanted important thing full accounting american pows mias circumstances surrounding document president stressed wanted fullest accounting policy vietnam vietnam response questions raised document investigations discrepancy cases increased efforts remains implementing trilateral investigations access military archives ambassador toon briefed president activities joint commission document vietnam fake analysis stage stephanopoulos completed thing general vessey bring vietnamese number defense officials prisoners referred fact americans vietnamese captured referred americans time time people stephanopoulos final determination wait complete review make judgment final determination intense public interest possibility stephanopoulos characterize review complete george topic scheduled speech boston stephanopoulos president press conference tomorrow miyazawa stephanopoulos positive expect toon vessey stephanopoulos meeting stephanopoulos question stephanopoulos ambassador toon vessey answer response wall street journal report morning president distressed press clippings distressed stephanopoulos response article highly misleading extent implied president restricted access press point answered questions occasions predecessors point questions stephanopoulos hundred fifty occasions jogging stephanopoulos good question andrea point article implied questions answered tightly controlled photo opportunities patently false press conferences east room oval office roosevelt room briefing room addition questions photo opportunities oval office press conference stephanopoulos answered questions east room east room oval office rose garden roosevelt room white house washington press corps addition interviews local television anchors editorial board portland oregonian hour long interview interviews local press california florida connecticut address question attitude article implies laughter blamed post story story held responsible stephanopoulos comment denying president shown displeasure publicly stephanopoulos commenting discussions president president write letter chris webber stephanopoulos letter university michigan basketball player stephanopoulos authentic letter stephanopoulos president talked february time thought exceptions made basic necessities food clothing hold position impact stephanopoulos comment proposal made george president agenda meeting leaders tomorrow stephanopoulos general meeting wide range issues care including aids issues civil rights military issue stephanopoulos event aids stephanopoulos george specifically president prepare tomorrow meeting prime minister miyazawa stephanopoulos briefing memos general discussions members treasury department trade representative report stephanopoulos report referred times ambassador kantor today stephanopoulos intend instances stephanopoulos report presented president press hard case thinks violation occurred terms wall street journal thrust real schism hostility feels stephanopoulos record article president likes reporters thrust article misleading thrust article attitude president affecting access fact open accessible administration recent history office laughter stephanopoulos invited press 
drug younger organization oklahoma state university computer science stillwater keywords youths drugs inhalants lines article wednesday april issue today drug younger mike snider drug rise kids young eighth graders inhalants glue fresheners survey annual national high school senior survey drug abuse finds statistically significant increases eighth graders drugs including marijuana cocaine crack inhalants danger losing hard ground reducing drug naive generation youngsters enters adolescence lloyd johnston university michigan chief researcher study sponsored department health human services drug high school seniors continuing decade long decline study students shows percentage days polled graders alcohol cigarettes marijuana cocaine graders alcohol cigarettes marijuana cocaine graders alcohol cigarettes marijuana cocaine graders marijuana cocaine inhalants declined year eighth graders year seniors highest point year reducing drug students requires kind strategy health secretary donna shalala part illness prevention plan survey shows drugs easier fewer eighth graders disapprove scary shalala dealers focusing younger vulnerable kids scott kennedy brewer patriot david koresh cheap thug interprets bible barrel spokesman cheap thug interprets constitution barrel 
winning drugs organization oklahoma state university computer science stillwater keywords drugs legalization lines organizations american people winning drugs dispel propaganda putting showing drug real status prove assertions posted articles today demonstrate drug groups rise working drug abuse substantially reality substance abuse rise supply solution problem text excerpt article rock music entitled mary jane appears current issue time magazine april enforcement officials advocates blowing smoke talk comeback weed change administrations marijuana lobby full force robert bonner head drug enforcement administration fact losing battle youths ages smoked marijuana figure bonner falling bonner offers reminder studies confirm marijuana health risks destruction nerve cells brain lung damage chart wednesday april issue today drug eigth graders mike snider adolescents choices drugs eighth graders month estimated students alcohol cigarettes marijuana amphetamines cocaine crack source university michigan institute social research report winning drugs tactics employs give people impression drugs selectively quote statistics statistics support contention drug excerpt time magazine included post excellent organizations attempt deceive public usage drug time usage drugs substitution drug usage group drug usage group takes picture taking consideration statistics obvious called drugs lost drug illegal drugs factors alcohol abuse smoking inhalants magnitude drug problem country true perspective alcohol drug drinking whiskey back drug agencies illegal drugs reasons drug fruitless attempt preventing substance abuse people switch drug scarce unpopular solution drug abuse problem country legalize drugs toxicity shown reasonable limits drop dead times couple massive drug education program reason legalization part solution people able easily obtain drugs government efforts contrary money spent drug interdiction spent effectively drug education additionally legalization reduce crime profit motive drug trafficking kinds crime mention fact addicts reason prey innocent people money posessions order support expensive habit legalization street price drugs fall substantially drugs affordable addicts imho reduce substance abuse drugs smokers make drug socially unacceptable employ heavy handed enforcement punish people incarcerating people smoke reduction number smokers brought public awareness campaigns laws restricting people light warning labels cigarette packages taxation tobacco order reduce consumption propose similar methods reduce substance abuse legalization carried drugs sold clear concise information states health hazzards involved product recommendations drug things dosage levels long drug accompany packaging drug contained drugs taxed rate generates revenue high encourage people acquire drugs illegal channels part revenue collected drug taxes fund drug education enforcement make felony sell drugs minors people sell drugs dodge paying taxes drugs sell drugs warning information absent failure appropiate taxes drugs omitting warning information felony establish government agency insure purity safety drugs high agency prevent people hold drugs fairly problem things discussed article hashed newsgroup thought good idea give cents buck half good idea stand ahead tear post view flame posted articles today prove assertions provide information usage youths noticed posters group interested scott kennedy brewer patriot david koresh cheap thug interprets bible barrel spokesman cheap thug interprets constitution barrel 
drug eighth graders organization oklahoma state university computer science stillwater keywords youths drugs inhalants lines article wednesday april issue today drug eighth graders mike snider national survey drugs easier teens fewer deem drug risky years government officials trumpeted results national high school survey signs drug year officials retreating drug eighth graders risen survey students nationwide reason increase experimentation drug dropped eventually students fewer drug contemporaries examples substance abuse drawbacks social psychologist lloyd johnston survey authors wave youths knowledge skills motivation resist drugs johnston type resurgence eileen shiff author experts advise parents delta issue prevalence alcohol drugs teens today result alcoholic adults decades aggravating problem baby boomer parents experimented drugs alcohol teens friends parents children parents serving kegs beer underage kids friends shiff recent graduation shiff parents organized night lock party booze drugs allowed fulfill parental role peer group takes officials talk drugs suzanne linkous scottsdale ariz volunteer talks teens drugs dating issues peer counseling suicide line linkous member today teen panel experimentation drugs real drugs waged education wise give kids facts give ideas birth control give kids information accessible classes pamphlets speakers education efforts start kids school kindergarten dallas owens teen panelist miami shores remember kindergarten drugs kids grades made minds drugs scare tactics public service announcements working commercial commercial opens good restroom talking prom date joint hits home attractive drugs adolescents choices drugs eighth graders month estimated students alcohol cigarettes marijuana amphetamines cocaine crack source university michigan institute social research report scott kennedy brewer patriot david koresh cheap thug interprets bible barrel spokesman cheap thug interprets constitution barrel 
manitoban candidate nntp posting host cunixb columbia reply columbia gary dare organization phds hall lines smith harvard steven smith writes bross cosc brocku brian ross writes world future bill clinton appoint canadians govern american institutions starting american health care system benevolent canadian dictators floated clinton administration free social programs begun suspect canadians long resentful place american shadow brainwashed american draft dodger fled canada time tutored ways canadian socialism awarded smokeless marijuana cigarettes correct answers returned states control domineering wife assigned case attain high public office destroy evil individualistic free market forces america shaping america canadian image made clone tissue sample domineering wife helm business party guise free trade inhale times boot souviens gary dare winnipeg jets bitnet selanne domi stanley 
homosexuals organization netcom online communication services guest distribution lines article kaldis rutgers theodore kaldis writes study discrediting kinsey today clock news kcbs francisco statistic quoted cinsider themself homosexual understand statistic common correct complete vlad vladimir kuznetsov natural intelligence consulting vlad vkuznetsov 
pedophilia laws organization open systems solutions lines nntp posting host ossi clayton touch comunities country process excluding nambla parades nambla care centre liberals upset passing laws make tough background checks childcare people feel employer fired antigay post internet upset pissed posts ight make company posts offend dont fired dont comunity hiring quotas affirmative action laws understanding community rights srtraights dont people leases cancelled landlord finds dont sees walk business blabs work person fired justified clayton told parent couple times strip paper worse honestly opinion parent strip care childeren friends mine care childeren care people childeren care childeren care sister childeren kids told throw home middle night approve childeren driving francisco trow bottles beat people condone childeren beating elses childeren await answers queastions flaming civilised discussion father 
homosexuals nntp posting host distribution organization university missouri rolla rolla lines article kaldis rutgers theodore kaldis writes study discrediting kinsey homosexuals march washington interesting days wallet slick willy hand pocket afraid grab hold 
abolish selective service organization netcom line communication services guest newsreader version lines dave borden borden harvard wrote selective service registration abolished start draft immoral agree military experts agree quality armed forces superior volunteer army draftees finally government lists computers social security admistration motor vehicle registries find maintaining list people utter waste money time department reduce deficit retired navy officer agree stop eliminate transport overwight overdue overbudget supposed carry tanks tanks airplane scrap seawolf nuclear submarine breakup ussr left number sticky military problems require gift submarines ground stealth bomber great airplane designers half gigabuck copy afford crash airplanes crash elmo zumwalt years high extremely capable weapons systems cheaper moderate capability systems mitchell powers delegated united states kmitchel constitution prohibited states citrus heights reserved states people 
hunt marine bashing wilmington verdict organization ohio state university department physics lines article mattm matthew melmon writes yeah yeah yeah impression marines question invited clinton treatment fight fight threatening commander chief unprofessional thing professional soldier appears marines sort charges pending fight week interesting frank frank chloupek chloupek ohio state department physics ohio state university ohio state university hard fast rule place party place rourke 
hunt marine bashing wilmington verdict organization ohio state university department physics lines article jeff bowles writes tfarrell northeastern thomas farrell writes questions kind sexual perversions participate made good case arresting officer bastards told purpose hoped victim defense made good case losing aparently clip worse defense attorney serve country compared fine upstanding examples patriotism response shown response vote taxes salary support bill rights unlike counselor dreams real question federal civil rights case state case sham sound angeles trial fags dykes protected fags dykes civil rights laws doubt civil rights case order point mentioned idea smacks real strongly double jeopardy civil case damages fine trial proceed precedent king trial make worse feels decision stand charges assault proven marines stand frank sane frank chloupek chloupek ohio state department physics ohio state university ohio state university hard fast rule place party place rourke 
clinton immunization program nntp posting host organization university missouri rolla rolla lines article rscharfy ohio state ryan scharfy writes excuse sticking nose parent parents allready immunize children free deserve frigging dime money health care public health care service immunization program coming national health care issue slightly seperate issues kids deserve hmm kids days wallet slick willy hand pocket afraid grab hold 
limiting govt employment concentrate organization lines article steveh steve hendricks writes paragraphs posts splicing intention change steve meaning misrepresent noted thread limiting govt problem libertarians face insuring limited government seek tool private interests pursue agenda failure libertarianism ideology provide reasonable restrain actions utopian dreams marxism fails pure communism achieved state wither libertarians frequently fail show weakening power state result improvement human condition part started earlier illinois requiring automobile transfers year licensed dealer addition requirs dealer license cars time time continue answer steve questions steve talent inclination resell cars good spare time bump limits full time stupid arbitrary laws prevent starting small pulling protected hungry neighborhood competitor profit working extra hard fulfill protected life libertarianism offering money belongs belongs money sell life belongs matters thinks wrong sell cars months cars dissaprove life money life money money mine belongs dissaproves selling buying government insist government make stop government powerless stop property abscence fraud agression powerless stop associating utopian dream basic human decency common sense real grass roots freedom liberty people acting masters approving rejecting basic transactions strike wonderful improve human condition patrick 
signs aquarius pennsylvania avenue nntp posting host organization university missouri rolla rolla lines article chaudhary amar amar chaudhary writes response ipser list takes money make country work provide services people solve problems solved granted things efficiently money things cost money sick tired hearing whining taxes time live country fair share people shares fair continue presence president clinton rich elite hurt taxes shower blood dripping wound dagger scream yell taxes killing poor middle class tired wealthy free ride country taxes share pain slick willy fair wife qualify wealthy people talking lower wealthy wealthy hypocrites people people give lives country complain taxes send stupid obsession fighting enemy affect worst friend taxes draft vietnam sack shit pick choose laws obey chaudhary follow laws follow laws arrangement beaded curtains lovely esque touch thought beaded curtains beaded seat covers hand health care human deleted respond changed mind health care human flame thing free public transportation human membership prestigious health spas grease hill make love wrap wanker spreadin free love stuff thumb neat reality femi condom contrary popular belief male feminist time discriminate deny equal opportunity majority population plain wrong force sort tradition role worse women offer world gender discrimination finally broken make revolutions past centuries reform bills forward amen acadamia rules hell acadamia macadamia days wallet slick willy hand pocket afraid grab hold 
national sales movie nntp posting host organization university missouri rolla rolla lines article idbsu broward horne writes purile babble deleted form guaranteed health care idea worried gubnint canada belt tells move canada people yell scream canada screwed bromeister predicted middle class taxpayer taxes national sales impressive great chuckmeister make couple predictions rise tomorrow rush bash clinton show turn clinton love child chances lucky aammaazziinngg predictions raised oops raised argue gubnint hands pocket feel unemployment rise weakened economy collapse face gubnint spending handout line genius revenues decline deficit increase deficit reduction package dance sing deficit reduction spending cuts increases paraphrase hilary clinton raise taxes middle class programs paraphrase bill clinton raise taxes middle class programs year polisci major prez raises taxes congress voted clinton ticket wear label sucka made hook line sinker chuckle days wallet slick willy hand pocket afraid grab hold 
tories lottery clinton nntp posting host organization university missouri rolla rolla lines article rscharfy ohio state ryan scharfy writes country ruined fact booming compared election hell reagan bush caused lame pathetic wrong reagan bush economy grew trillion dollars entire economy germany kind gentle country peoples books joke drive cincinnati pretty things growth hands georgie pals single dime dammit bled death leeches damage great thing people columbus drive marysville make japanese cars american owned companies employ central ohio ohio state university days wallet slick willy hand pocket afraid grab hold 
abortion feminist leader endorses trashing free speech rights nntp posting host organization university missouri rolla rolla lines words chilling effect stimulate impulses small collection neurons call brain days wallet slick willy hand pocket afraid grab hold 
foreign media reaction april part nntp posting host capella organization hewlett packard newsreader version lines phill hallam baker hallam desy wrote recognise iraqu responsibility initiating iran iraq providing technical assistance iran production back capacity smart move moment iran opec ceiling extra capacity bring oild price interests agree phill point interests bring price great britain domestic sources partly satisfy energy pricy opec impacts germany japan industrial rivals addition proceeds sale saudi arabia kuwait disproportionately reinvested propping economies providing incentive prices falling epstein 
cramer evidence organization university heidelberg germany lines article phil phil ronzone writes organizations paper support abolition consent resemblance stops supports removal coercive paper facade legitimize sexual relations children organization abolish consent laws contrast abolish consent laws makes respectable belong organization gene ward smith brahms gang ruprecht karls university gsmith heidelberg 
representation territories lunch distribution organization lines boyd fisher writes article cwinemil lonestar chris winemiller writes peeved citizens puerto ricans close full representation house representatives chris puerto ricans citizens stand corrected guess comments payoffs pork puerto ricans making stands opinion related topic people natives territories representation house congress constitution sets house representatives represent state proportion population senate represent state equally territories puerto rico knowledge handled past louisiana territory northwest territory chris chris winemiller internet cwinemil lonestar uucp texsun letni keys cwinemil 
study percentage organization community access unix internet project lines article cramer clayton cramer writes santa rosa press democrat april male survey activity natonal study male sexual behavior examination american sexual practices published kinsey report decades shows percent surveyed engaged homosexual percent considered exclusively homosexual figures homosexuality study released wednesday alan guttmacher institute significantly lower percent figure part conventional wisdom published kinsey report interesting reaction million queers gather washington million event unprecidented history article numbers number sexual partners median number sexual partners forget partners compared table posted masters johnson kolodny showing male homosexual partners apparent homosexual dramatically promiscuous general male population study show number sexual contacts homosexual number inconvient shame breakdown straight show dramatically promiscuous fuck join pythagorean reform church repent evil irrational numbers bean eating ways accept heart call pythagorean reform church 
bodycount organization world public access unix brookline lines berkeley steve pope writes thoughts count gorgeous bodies press white house staff junior senator king motss curious bias numbers brought enforcement people park service police cops aerial photographs extrapolate based density crowd small regions sort techniques derive army intelligence methods estimating troop strength tend methodologically skewed inflated numbers justify bigger budgets judging past experience march peace justice march year coice marches park service estimate approximately estimate organizers choice march sign system numbers ended closer media types helicopters rolling dice plans handing sort wristband thingy basing count problems possibly able choose color design clash outfit bearpaw 
sexual proposition sexual harassment lines nntp posting host pcgeo organization university oslo lines tesrt 
employment concentrate child molesters organization advocates government davy crockett chapter newsreader lines xavier gallagher writes make distinction working survive paying dues mother nature form labour working propertyowner option working propertyowner stands earth work expects mother nature survive property laws create layer parasites fact people option work factories people able things life property ownership ideal letting people live productive fulfulling life experiment america property ownership denied caused starvation hunger death people pilgrims originally common property grow food common food store people hardships suffered winters arriving pilgrims made property common shared work resulting crops common store debate governor bradford privitized land assigning plots family perry westbrook change immediately justified increased industry inhabitants larger acreage planted bradford acknowledged failure communism wrote experience common condition sundry years godly sober evince vanity conceit plato ancients applauded times taking property bringing community commonwealth make happy flourishing wiser community found breed confusion discontent retard employment benefit comfort bradford blame failure strangers basic selfishness wrote corruption wisdom fitter words westbrook bradford found private enterprise suitable economic policy mankind fallen state make mistake pilgrims made private property society flourish alternative brings starvation poverty discontent paul schmidt advocates government davy crockett chapter president judith drive johnson city uunet tijc freedom unleashed creative energies people leads higher levels income social progress report 
abolish selective service nntp posting host trumpet msstate organization mississippi state university lines kmitchel kenneth mitchell writes dave borden borden harvard wrote selective service registration abolished start draft immoral agree military experts agree quality armed forces superior volunteer army draftees finally government lists computers social security admistration motor vehicle registries find maintaining list people utter waste money time department reduce deficit surprised clinton tackle irrelevant issues retired navy officer agree stop eliminate transport wrong capability problems airplanes haven answer start rebuild airplane scatch problems calls scrapped option extend life extremely scrap seawolf nuclear submarine ground stealth bomber cost jobs little 
ways slick willie improve standing americans nntp posting host solomon technet lines ways slick willie improve standing americans institute national sales socialization america health care resources declare serbia reenact draft stimulate economy massive income transfers democtratic constituencies appoint unrepetent socialist mario cuomo suprmeme court focus laser beam gays military hillary charge ministry truth move stephanopoulos socialzed health care balance budget confiscatory taxation remind democrats holding presidency majority seats house senate republicans managed block spend programs back england refresher european socialism resign copyright edward ipser slick willie book lists paperback 
role national news media inflaming passions organization rutgers univ brunswick lines article clas virginia greg hennessy writes clayton cramer lower profile reporting victim prostitute paid false accusation evidence woman question prostitute defense alledged fact wearing miniskirt underwear presented evidence prostitute court apparently found compelling clayton difference clayton difference clayton difference greg apparently doesn judge found credible evidence marines engaged defense judge found prosecution carry burder proof judge found credible evidence marines engaged defense knucklehead small clipping clarinews fair guidelines hanover district court judge jacqueline morris goodson ruled benchtrial state failed carry burden proving marines acted injury part repeat judge found credible evidence marines engaged defense days understand interesting cases clayton accuses respect credibility rate clayton cramer order magnitude higher news media homosexuals thought clayton consistent clayton consistent views expressed theodore kaldis kaldis rutgers major university rutgers remus rutgers kaldis hold views 
limiting govt employment concentrate summary promoting competition depend libertarians organization free barbers lines nntp posting host thor article doctor patrick hailey writes article steveh steve hendricks writes paragraphs posts splicing intention change steve meaning misrepresent noted thread limiting govt problem libertarians face insuring limited government seek tool private interests pursue agenda failure libertarianism ideology provide reasonable restrain actions utopian dreams marxism fails pure communism achieved state wither libertarians frequently fail show weakening power state result improvement human condition patrick anti competitive regulations auto dealers deleted libertarianism offering utopian dream basic human decency common sense real grass roots freedom liberty people acting masters approving rejecting basic transactions strike wonderful improve human condition patrick drag discussion back original issues noted necessarily disputing benefits eliminating anti competitive legislation regard auto dealers barbers swallow entire libertarian agenda accomplish grants benefits allowing wishes hair sell services regulation unregulated barbers free bleed people medical service government intervention libertarians argue case case basis cost benefit ratio government regulation worthwhile libertarian agenda call assessment assumes costs regulation kind outweigh benefits approach avoids sorts difficult analysis strikes rest dogmatic objection analysis medical care education national defense local police suggests free market provide effective efficient means accomplishing social objectives provided statist approaches notable exceptions nitty gritty worthwhile analysis carried professed libertarians steve hendricks domain steveh thing data uucp uunet thor steveh bulls hofferbert bell 
study percentage organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article lfoard virginia lawrence foard writes article cramer clayton cramer writes santa rosa press democrat april male survey activity natonal study male sexual behavior examination american sexual practices published kinsey report decades shows percent surveyed engaged homosexual percent considered exclusively homosexual figures homosexuality study released wednesday alan guttmacher institute significantly lower percent figure part conventional wisdom published kinsey report homosexuals number hide disproportionate involvement homosexuals child molestation politicians scared interesting reaction million queers gather washington million event unprecidented history people marching homosexuals members leftist agenda article numbers number sexual partners median number sexual partners forget partners surprising remember study includes homosexuals compared table posted masters johnson kolodny showing male homosexual partners apparent homosexual dramatically promiscuous general male population study show number sexual contacts homosexual number inconvient published shame breakdown straight show dramatically promiscuous fuck typical homoseuxal response clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
study percentage organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article dans uiuc writes forget culture sadly society homosexuality normal aware alot people condemn result population encouraged develop promiscuous relationships fact roadblocks committed relationships heterosexual able married roadblock permanent relationship lack marriage certificate force couple break excuse homosexuals alternative promiscuous straights clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
study percentage organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article rochester tree schnopia writes cramer clayton cramer writes article numbers number sexual partners median number sexual partners compared table posted masters johnson kolodny showing male homosexual partners apparent homosexual dramatically promiscuous general male population shame breakdown straight show dramatically promiscuous possibly married marriage requirement couple staying purpose post show mindless obsession statistics incredibly flawed system reasoning repellent hatemonger agenda purpose accomplished panache clue life face andrew simchik schnopia rest homosexual community pass laws impose moral codes requiring hire rent associate homosexual face homosexuals stop impose morals face clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
role national news media inflaming passions organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article clas virginia greg hennessy writes kaldis writes fact wearing miniskirt underwear presented evidence prostitute court apparently found compelling women wear miniskirts wearing underwear prostitutes history working massage parlors telling workers prostitutes frequent truck stop parking lots sort greg hennessy university virginia clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
study percentage organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article brandeis blort eep hwaah writes surprised article subject inproved survey roughly front page york times recently thurs april headline effect survey finds shocked york times running story survey part thought news important warrant front page space people care people long find avoid care effort promoting important scare politicians obedience matt clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
clinton president trip pittsburg organization university pittsburgh lines article clinton clinton gore writes statement press secretary president travel pittsburgh saturday april talk creation plan impact state pennsylvania create haa haa hell number units column complicated face perceptions matter folks facts full time jobs summer jobs make pittsburgh post gazette means jobs allegheny county metro haa haa haa haa hope fixing potholes street face folks depression clinton coming beat arlen specter vacationing africa laugh casimir casey palowitch kinds slavic cataloger computer professional library systems nextstep jobs 
good neighbor political hypocrisy test organization winco lines article rscharfy ohio state ryan scharfy writes article steveth steve thomas justify drugs dare friend mine smoke tuesday hits acid trouble aiming bowl takes dump results drug people screwed head friend anecdote justify drugs demonstrates miserable failure demonstrates people drugs legal friend taking legal regulated drugs doctors supervision position dale cook town churches bars social problem edward abbey opinions mine employer 
study percentage lines organization college arts sciences article numbers number sexual partners median number sexual partners compared table posted masters johnson kolodny showing male homosexual partners apparent homosexual dramatically promiscuous general male population shame breakdown straight show dramatically promiscuous funny homosexuality flawed imho source information pass jusgement homosexual bisexual logical heterosexual group larger chances promiscuity larger opinion orientation male times life virgin promiscuous morals heterosexual world statistics prove criminals default hetero closely person group flames brian stone tech support life touch hard life unthinkable brian 
manitoban candidate organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet broward horne nntp posting host hela cwru previous article smith harvard steven smith floated clinton administration free social programs begun suspect canadians long resentful place american shadow brainwashed american draft dodger fled canada talking mulroney 
month received usenet received inet received uiboise idbsu talk politics misc usenet politics clinton usenet mailer revision lines ahh remember days yesterday month population extra taxes remember predicted true remember inaugural dancing singing liberation figure estimated raise billion year work chum taxpayers year exclaim free health care exclaim poor million chum estimates energy costs year extra corporate rich taxes trickle year months part deficit projected rise rate rising clinton estimates assumes plan work rocket scientist years whopping increase deficit growing faster economy clinton moving higher diving board face clinton bush years country completely bankrupt children future mentioned bill deluding faced guilt gotta noon appointment lake 
italy domino fall organization wake forest university lines nntp posting host wfunet note cross posted politics italy talk politics misc reply article ipser appeared politics misc politics libertarian longer belongs hate defend article poorly written hallam desy phill hallam baker writes budget deficit regan bush created starts make claims europe collapsing based budget deficits scale italy capita debt higher countries narrow elite rich lawyers benefit super wealthy public france italy perceive problem french election italian pulizia post pulizia italy happen fringe parties election parliamentary deputies replaced parties forced people free hint corruption parliament pavarotti porn stars wrong true lega nord referendum sunday expected establish british american style past post system senate implemented encourage party system italy parties shakeup entire party structure parties emerge dominate lega nord camera deputati lower house remain proportional representation talk switching portion house past post electoral reform italy change italians tired crappy government porn stars pavarotti hunters fishers gain seats dead good party system bring italy efficient accountable government time jeff hagen hagenjd 
national sales movie organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet broward horne nntp posting host hela cwru previous article ckincy charles kincy great chuckmeister make couple predictions rise tomorrow rush bash clinton show turn clinton love child dancing singing roundly ridiculed predictions easy people sucka made hook line sinker chuckle wait clinton planned pension funds thinking uncle money pension funds turns states plundering state employee funds past years swell 
excuses slick willie record setting disapproval rati lines article freenet broward horne previous article mark mark sachs article freenet broward horne attitude people stupid agree bring great success life free advice whew mark earth makes give fuck success hell taxed excellent point commenting common republican attitude people disagree idiots sheep evil liberal media conspiracy dangerous attitude step people sheep people sheep firm leadership sort attitude makes worry happen united states extremist wing republican party back power holy christ government funded newsgroup separation church state damn examine record broward clinton taxe holy fuck mark month laugh broward clinton raise income taxes mark broward silence free predictions predict republicans bitter yeah yeah impressive predict things inevitable propose destroy moon neatly solving problem blood pressure mark sachs disclaimer knew opinions charge 
clayton retract organization cypress semi beaverton lines article kaldis rutgers theodore kaldis writes civilized society homosexual maintain modicum respectability remaining closet views expressed theodore kaldis kaldis rutgers major university rutgers remus rutgers kaldis hold views appears eyed appeared land sighted strange resaon appointed ruler supreme power cipale 
excuses slick willie record setting disapproval rati organization associates lines article libwca bill anderson writes shapiro enet steve shapiro writes william jefferson blythe clinton steve fail understand insult feel adopted implies sort moral failing spare thin skinned indignation sauce years george herbert walker bush danforth quayle insult sauce william jefferson blythe clinton feel calling president full implies sort disrespect hint rhetorical question paul havemann internet paul opinions caffeine brain milligrams cynical observation recommended minimum daily requirement reading 
study percentage organization university illinois urbana lines brian brian drakula stone writes article numbers number sexual partners median number sexual partners compared table posted masters johnson kolodny showing male homosexual partners apparent homosexual dramatically promiscuous general male population shame breakdown straight show dramatically promiscuous funny homosexuality flawed imho source information pass jusgement homosexual bisexual logical heterosexual group larger chances promiscuity larger opinion orientation understand chances promiscuity larger rate promiscuity lower heterosexual community imply homo sexual population promiscuous statistics imply grind scientist hate statistics abused male times life virgin hetero woman life wife pleasing able hope feeling wanted experience joys trials committed life marriage makes commitment greater expect promiscuous morals heterosexual world statistics prove criminals default hetero forget culture sadly society homosexuality normal aware alot people condemn result population encouraged develop promiscuous relationships fact roadblocks committed relationships heterosexual community puts blocks perpetuate claim gays immoral allowed gays marry raise children find moral thoughts flame 
ways slick willie improve standing americans nntp posting host mwalker provo novell organization novell lines article ipser technet ipser wrote ways slick willie improve standing americans deleted good reason guess enact bans people sense humor posting allegedly humorous items approval rating roof copyright edward ipser means quote permission lists sigs folks walker mwalker opinions expressed author novell responsible content article 
good neighbor political hypocrisy test organization engineering manufacturing atlanta atlanta lines donb tamri baldwin writes drugs legalized lower cost make safer drugs legal alcohol coffee addicted chocolate rule prettier calls government charity money wilson theory relativity back related mark wilson 
clinton immunization program nntp posting host dzoo apollo organization hewlett packard company chelmsford lines article david veal writes article goykhman herring writes article jlinder ohio state jeffrey linder writes article mwilson atlantaga mark wilson writes news night clinton bashing republicans stonewalling called stimulus package small item package free immunizations poor kids immunizations children country free care problem cost irresponible parents stupid lazy case noticed clintonites pushing universal health care access program access means folks give damn immunizing children health care services delivered doorsteps read programs problems convincing parents children immunized delivered doorstep sheet informed risks side effects reactions scares immunization program step things money creating maintaning computerized innoculation database children code named mother kidding children defense database money spent tangible results achieved goverment start knocking doors neigborhoods bribe parents paying kids attending school fantastic idea david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird disclaimer opinions expressed mine employer 
sexual proposition sexual harassment nntp posting host sysh organization zippys psycho surgery lines article lynn malcolm lynn writes tesrt spelling zippy zippy proof blonde women title ihorton coventry 
clinton immunization program nntp posting host dzoo apollo organization hewlett packard company chelmsford lines article drevik drevik steve writes article goykhman herring writes article jlinder ohio state jeffrey linder writes article mwilson atlantaga mark wilson writes news night clinton bashing republicans stonewalling called stimulus package small item package free immunizations poor kids immunizations children country free care problem cost irresponible parents stupid lazy live case nationawide state municipality funds area areas people immunizations cost nationwide immunization rate toddlers reportedly city neighborhoods kids living neighborhoods covered medicaid massachussets universal immunization program kind clinton proposing years decades mass immunization rate guess parents ignorant lazy simply care shatter stereotypes case noticed clintonites pushing universal health care access program access means folks give damn immunizing children health care services delivered doorsteps disclaimer opinions expressed mine employer disclaimer opinions expressed mine employer 
concentrate child molesters organization astronomy department boston university boston lines article cramer clayton cramer writes article kane young star writes admit data presented show child molesters overrepresented respect general incidence homosexuality show redbook article correct wrong irrelevant data shows doesn studies show admit showed prove molesters brian kane buast astro young star astronomy dept boston university boston true personal salvation achieved absolute faith true 
abolish selective service nntp posting host organization vanderbilt university school engineering nashville lines article msstate fletcher adams writes kmitchel kenneth mitchell writes dave borden borden harvard wrote selective service registration abolished start draft immoral agree military experts agree quality armed forces superior volunteer army draftees finally government lists computers social security admistration motor vehicle registries find maintaining list people utter waste money time department reduce deficit surprised clinton tackle irrelevant issues clinton received draft notice admits political feasibility abolishing inclined risk extra exposure retired navy officer agree stop eliminate transport wrong capability problems airplanes haven answer start rebuild airplane scatch problems calls scrapped option extend life extremely read aviation week line reopened delivered year earlier cost billion program politically popular pork scrap seawolf nuclear submarine ground stealth bomber cost jobs little agreed congress money nasa fund seawolf shipyards building angeles class submarines lack foes contend navy reducing number attack subs navy times entail mothballing current angeles class politically general dynamics connecticut seawolf subs addition bases closed long beach naval station navy talking main bases coast required home port total fleet ships question aspin clinton able face pork happy congress marc mueller 
national sales movie reply shou uchicago organization university chicago lines speaking report yesterday hillarious intended percent added stage manufacturing graphicaly depicting stack quarters added wholesale stage final stage actual retail sale small stack quarters added large stack amount paid consumers words completed fact stage passed buyer retail consumer paying full load journalists dogs roger shouse university chicago email shou uchicago 
national sales movie organization university toronto chemistry department lines article idbsu broward horne writes national sales news logo cool means glad quit working taking busting watching time frustrated pretty damn mail address total gumby clinton propose jerry brown essentially clinton demagogue persona condemned brown crucial primary year republicans support broad based visible canada visible unlike invisible vats europe suggest rate sufficient halve income corporate capital gains rates rate sufficient give clintons revenue health care reform force agreement democrats income rate frozen forseeable future increased national referendum make clintons worthwhile shift burden investment consumption health care reform frozen marginal rate fell swoop gerald 
state justice organization university oregon lines distribution world nntp posting host oregon uoregon summary quest justice news software vnews article demon wright boomer writes judge denied trial motion witnesses occupant truck dead impact fire thoughts kind scary realize judges start denying trials evidence contradicts facts previous ruling judge decided witnesses believed shouldn jury members previous jury parading talk shows proclaiming obvious bias judge verdict call trial happened jurors objective people aware brett listed posts listserv politics hostile hiring policies moseley verdict equal opportunity disagreement guess guess judge opinion motion denied diligence grounds party case semi credible witnesses reserve spring lose promote repose daniel reitman uniform commercial code protects innocent purchaser shield conniver blindly naive hopelessly gullible atlas auto rental corp weisberg misc city 
study percentage nntp posting host uhura rochester organization university rochester rochester york lines cramer clayton cramer writes article numbers number sexual partners median number sexual partners compared table posted masters johnson kolodny showing male homosexual partners apparent homosexual dramatically promiscuous general male population shame breakdown straight show dramatically promiscuous possibly married purpose post show mindless obsession statistics incredibly flawed system reasoning repellent hatemonger agenda purpose accomplished panache clue life face drewcifer andrew simchik schnopia rochester treewater words made cowards happy rhodes 
good neighbor political hypocrisy test nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article inel dale cook writes article rscharfy ohio state ryan scharfy writes article steveth steve thomas justify drugs dare friend mine smoke tuesday hits acid trouble aiming bowl takes dump results drug people screwed head friend anecdote justify drugs demonstrates miserable failure demonstrates people drugs legal friend taking legal regulated drugs doctors supervision position agree drugs failed opinion give change tactics instance penalties changed dealing coke death dealing heroin death dealing death dealing crack death list kidding note money foriegn operations south america costly border interdiction efforts spend educate people plenty educated dopers spend things drug treatment programs interesting story minutes british prescribe addict recommended dosage ween amount levels acceptable sounds good heard decrease cost lower addiction rates wiping dealer markets thing heard legalizing sticking drugs stations bought cigarettes plain silly heard recommended dosage drugs crack ecstasy chrystal meth minute report worked cocaine cigarettes heroin ryan 
ways slick willie improve standing americans organization oakland university rochester lines nntp posting host vela oakland article ipser technet ipser writes ways slick willie improve standing americans institute national sales socialization america health care resources declare serbia reenact draft stimulate economy massive income transfers democtratic constituencies appoint unrepetent socialist mario cuomo suprmeme court focus laser beam gays military hillary charge ministry truth move stephanopoulos socialzed health care balance budget confiscatory taxation remind democrats holding presidency majority seats house senate republicans managed block spend programs back england refresher european socialism snip number slick willie improve standing americans drum roll anton appointment kervorkian john kerrigan jmkerrig oakland 
study percentage organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article brandeis blort eep hwaah writes expect heterosexual promiscuous simply larger group potential partners thought matt promiscuous straight shows damaged screwed clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
study percentage organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article clas virginia greg hennessy writes article phil phil ronzone writes tells fascist politics practiced ending discrimination fascism greg hennessy university virginia force people associate clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
concentrate child molesters organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article xavier gallagher writes article cramer clayton cramer writes article mjcugley dundee womble attitude writes absolutely table heterosexuals claim supposedly higher promescuity homosexual males makes insurance risk show heterosexual males promiscuous homosexual males data heterosexual males make comparison promiscuity rates heterosexuals homosexuals mjcugley dundee world mjcugley dund maths obvious point make straight fuck rabbits oppertunity presented reckon wildly promiscuous presented huge variety partners question suppose screwed clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine xavier clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
california antidiscrimination sort case predicted organization optilink corporation petaluma lines article xavier gallagher writes article cramer clayton cramer writes article rstevew richard steven walz writes face clayton found guilty gays make consensually year boys year gays recall case state rested testimony victim declined testify threat teens people face clayton jerk richard steven walz rstevew armory maple street safe free abortion women santa cruz organ surrogates unwanted parasites amazed people admit breaking putting address signature make statement district attorney year great hell turn purple rage time clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine walz monster past molested kids clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinions mine relations people mutual consent 
good neighbor political hypocrisy test organization iowa state university ames lines article mike michael thomas writes article jrbeach jeffry beach writes article mike michael thomas writes article jrbeach jeffry beach writes waste time battle legalization drugs prove idiotic idea read fuck talking eager make fool foolish person fuck talking gladly demonstrate ignorants legalization drugs provide benefits highly taunted proponents safer cheaper drugs revenues taxes drugs reduced crime reduced organized crime specifically prove clueless wasted posts group intended easily solved research pragmatic standpoint justification vice people commit criminalize alcohol legalization alcohol making damn easy vast social historical differences alcohol drugs make comparison worthless vice statutes serve make expensive rich dangerous poor eloquently people government people decides vices detrimental society pray aids victim snear quotes revisionist sort thinks thing aids plauge deserve overwhelmingly vast majority point aids cases contracted behavioral choices nuff 
state justice organization acme products lines article washington smith writes demon wright boomer writes judge denied trial motion witnesses occupant truck dead impact fire thoughts witness burning truck dead unconscious testimony contradiction plaintiff charge witness occupant moved impact indicating alive provoking sorts sympathetic gross burned alive reactions kind scary realize judges start denying trials evidence contradicts facts previous ruling judge decided witnesses believed shouldn jury kind witnesses talking witnesses accident directly involved paramedics emergency room doctors trial trial screwed forgot call witnesses witnesses trial tough luck witnesses constitutes evidence talking expert witnesses offer interpretations data note loser find witnesses grounds trial loser trial loser winner side expert witnesses support rulings deny trials grounds brett passionate vested interest disguised intellectual conviction sean casey white plague frank herbert 
pork abolish selective service oanization mississippi state university nntp posting host msstate organization mississippi state university lines muellerm vanderbilt marc mueller writes msstate fletcher adams writes eliminate transport wrong capability problems read aviation week line reopened delivered year earlier cost billion program politically popular pork read week remember supply date magazine carry capability read land smaller airfields pork depends relies california pork peace dividend people work question aspin clinton able face pork happy congress marc mueller read question social pork happy aspin clinton able face jobs pork happy congress 
clinton wiretapping initiative received usenet received inet received uiboise idbsu talk politics misc usenet politics clinton usenet mailer revision lines newsgroup able find clinton proposed wiretapping initiative computer networks telephone systems initiative congress past months guise wiretapping bill strongly urge begin future strongly urge application passport mail strongly urge moving savings overseas protected bank accounts able 
state justice reply uchicago organization university chicago lines article demon wright boomer writes article washington smith writes kind witnesses talking witnesses accident directly involved paramedics emergency room doctors trial trial screwed forgot call witnesses witnesses trial tough luck witnesses constitutes evidence test knew reward stupidity test existence works ways trial plaintiff turned witnesses forward trial located trial civil trial screwed time unlike criminal justice system repose important civil justice system frank uchicago card moops school standard disclaimers 
good neighbor political hypocrisy test organization smithsonian astrophysical observatory cambridge lines article steveth steve thomas writes article rscharfy ohio state ryan scharfy writes article steveth steve thomas justify drugs dare friend mine smoke tuesday hits acid trouble aiming bowl takes dump results drug people screwed head answer sarcasm sarcasm working good stop people screwed head issue friend drugs legal legal continue issue illegal drugs screwed idiot problems harm hand threat life livelyhood sacrafice drugs legal pharmacists pushers selling pharmacists obligated inform purchasers dangers drug show drugs safe ways dangers impurities responsible suffering drugs eliminated dave borden borden harvard 
hunt marine bashing wilmington verdict organization engineering manufacturing atlanta atlanta lines tfarrell northeastern thomas farrell writes feel defendents convicted evidence truely civil rights convicted evidence mind sufficient evidence aware reported media evidence presented trial sounds rodney king trial bunch people seconds minute long video decided knew people week trial rule prettier calls government charity money wilson theory relativity back related mark wilson 
limiting govt employment concentrate reply rcollins organization encore computer corporation nntp posting host sysgem encore lines steveh steve hendricks writes drag discussion back original issues noted necessarily disputing benefits eliminating anti competitive legislation regard auto dealers barbers swallow entire libertarian agenda accomplish grants benefits allowing wishes hair sell services regulation unregulated barbers free bleed people medical service government intervention libertarians argue case case basis cost benefit ratio government regulation worthwhile libertarian agenda call assessment assumes costs regulation kind outweigh benefits approach avoids sorts difficult analysis strikes rest dogmatic objection analysis medical care education national defense local police suggests free market provide effective efficient means accomplishing social objectives provided statist approaches notable exceptions nitty gritty worthwhile analysis carried professed libertarians excellently libertarian admit government things beautiful performing arts complex lauderdale partially built dollars private stolen public beautiful enjoy mind people city attend single performance feel differently disagree desireable efficient give government intervention power case case basis fact luck maintaining freedom speech precisely decided case case basis issues judges decide political speech allowed sidewalk front post office decide nazi choice life political speech allowed sidewalk front post office imagine result free speech decided majority case case basis economic issues government taxi drivers charge lines lawyers desireable decide rights free speech case case basis decide rights free enterprise case case basis hope government restricted interferring free enterprise hope opinion government interferes free enterprise efficient manner call political market failure freedom abundance produces swallow libertarian agenda roger collins 
good neighbor political hypocrisy test organization toshiba america south francisco lines article smsu writes good southwest missouri state parties running student body president token sorority fraternity faces president vice president norml campaigned handing condoms listing qualifications listen makes sick party established things ruining country year student body president campaign stand tough crime listen people fund things make sense condoms marijuana worst things 
good neighbor political hypocrisy test organization toshiba america south francisco lines article rscharfy ohio state ryan scharfy writes justify drugs dare friend mine smoke tuesday hits acid trouble aiming bowl takes dump results drugs years drugs imagine friends grass agree pretty harmless unable number places stupid crack cocaine half hour leaving office drugs completely unsuccessful lead horrible abuses peoples constitutional rights thinking person justify 
role national news media inflaming passions organization university virginia lines kaldis writes fact wearing miniskirt underwear presented evidence prostitute court apparently found compelling women wear miniskirts wearing underwear prostitutes judge found credible evidence marines engaged defense knucklehead clayton kaldis engaging hominem arguments presented evidence judge ruled provide evidence repeating false claim evidence greg hennessy university virginia usps mail astronomy department charlottesville internet uucp uunet virginia 
national sales movie lines organization university tennessee division continuing education article shou uchicago roger colin shouse writes speaking report yesterday hillarious intended percent added stage manufacturing graphicaly depicting stack quarters added wholesale stage final stage actual retail sale small stack quarters added large stack amount paid consumers words completed fact stage passed buyer retail consumer paying full load journalists dogs commentators news programs sales government love surprised reason effectively hides majority consumer consumer kind cars automobile taxes people realize contained dozen taxes license tires gasoline david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
study percentage originator lines nntp posting host mahogany organization world champion minnesota twins article cramer clayton cramer writes santa rosa press democrat april male survey activity natonal study male sexual behavior examination american sexual practices published kinsey report decades shows percent surveyed engaged homosexual percent considered exclusively homosexual study shows percent surveyed engaged homosexual percent considered exclusively homosexual point people acutally interesting clip newspaper mention difference conservative media bias figures homosexuality study released wednesday alan guttmacher institute significantly lower percent figure part conventional wisdom published kinsey report russ anderson disclaimer statements reflect employer twins jack morris innings pitched runs world series 
capital gains increase loses money distribution organization acme products lines article mark eckenwiler writes uchicago article demon wright boomer writes long term investor large capital gains foolish sell order avoid hike disappear year overcome year accumlated gains response people capital gains taxes long term investors huge blip capital gains taxes raised find advantageous result readily noticeable distort trends brett eventual return figures correct wrong blip fails basic factors misunderstand prove pointing assertion blip revenues caused selling avoid proven notes long term investor find oneself late anticipating expenses term require selling holdings choice waiting weeks taking extra selling december preferential treatment fool choose disputed fact brett construct post calculations beneficial investors respects point plenty money style advice unsophisticated investors late sell save taxes case missed shortage similar advice late year nytimes advice based foregone conclusion enacted assumption clinton raise rates capping taxes contrary current proposal works situation market sell sell selling evidence large number people suddenly decided higher taxes meant sell year increase previous year proof proposition trend increasing capital gains revenues account increase height housing boom remember people trading nice investors behave optimal economic interest assuming weightless ropes frictionless pulleys sort thinking fails describe accurately real world brett passionate vested interest disguised intellectual conviction sean casey white plague frank herbert 
clinton caves reduces jobs bill organization acme products lines clinton backed billion jobs bill word paring core jobless benefits money creating full time jobs summer jobs money chalk holding line spending brett passionate vested interest disguised intellectual conviction sean casey white plague frank herbert 
month nntp posting host hqrim sedd organization sedd lines alan brock orange county register editorial titled case repealing income attention quotes income flexible definition concept invites government snoop nook cranny lives encouraging people snoop report transgressions almighty state americans deplored nazi communist regimes americans paid income years withholding began world temporary exigency median family federal income year federal government percent income income taxes long federal government managed stagger percent revenue income converted free people society fearful snitches 
national sales movie lines organization university tennessee division continuing education article golchowy chem utoronto gerald olchowy writes article idbsu broward horne writes national sales news logo cool means glad quit working taking busting watching time frustrated pretty damn mail address total gumby clinton propose jerry brown essentially clinton demagogue persona condemned brown crucial primary year republicans support broad based visible canada visible unlike invisible vats europe suggest rate sufficient halve income corporate capital gains rates rate sufficient give clintons revenue health care reform republicans general fighting increase worry easy increase incrementally canada europe makes visible force agreement democrats income rate frozen forseeable future increased national referendum require constitutional amendment congress enjoys raising taxes restrict majority pull difficult time forcing make clintons worthwhile shift burden investment consumption health care reform frozen marginal rate fell swoop primarily practical impossibility freeze rates bothers talking consumer confidence consumer spending gauges economy important shifting taxes consumption provide disincentive spend money david veal univ tenn cont education info services group remember laughed pushed elevator shaft beginning love anymore weird 
jobs pork bill organization engineering manufacturing atlanta atlanta distribution lines start white house seeking mount public pressure senators bombarded news outlets senator home states news releases warning projects funded billion stimulus bill passed projects mentioned bill part list funded billion community development block grants sworn heard bunch clintonites raving dishonest rebublicans taking items list order ridicule bill clinton list order garner support bill honarable thing clinton dishonest rule prettier calls government charity money wilson theory relativity back related mark wilson 
abolish selective service organization university colorado boulder lines muellerm vanderbilt marc mueller writes clinton received draft notice admits political feasibility abolishing inclined risk extra exposure libertarian small voted clinton abolish selective service draft conscience forbade vietnam forbid perpetuate system government sanctioned slavery agreed congress money nasa fund seawolf shipyards building angeles class submarines lack foes contend navy reducing number attack subs navy times entail mothballing current angeles class politically general dynamics connecticut seawolf subs government attention domestic issues economy choose stay people wars iraq bosnia somalia jobs replaced improving domestic situation continued deficit spending clinton congress spend improve infrastructure fight people wars addition bases closed long beach naval station navy talking main bases coast required home port total fleet ships question aspin clinton able face pork happy congress idea naval bases refurbishing decommissioned force bases airports cheaper building ground denver airport appalling examples pork barreling cronyism lifetime airports needed bill gates ross perot love private airfields money purchases applied public debt dunn mail flames deleted reading 
pork abolish selective service nntp posting host irlsp organization vanderbilt university school engineering nashville lines article msstate fletcher adams writes muellerm vanderbilt marc mueller writes msstate fletcher adams writes eliminate transport wrong capability problems read aviation week line reopened delivered year earlier cost billion program politically popular pork read week remember supply date magazine aviation week march estimates matching capability require total cost billion option billion cheaper completing program estimates cost billion billion billion cheaper carry capability read land smaller airfields pork depends relies california pork peace dividend people work california voted overwhelmingly change argument continue military programs support jobs poor bases open closed years wasting billions taxes question aspin clinton able face pork happy congress marc mueller read question social pork happy aspin clinton able face jobs pork happy congress marc mueller 
good neighbor political hypocrisy test organization iowa state university ames lines article steveth steve thomas writes working good stop people screwed head issue friend drugs legal legal continue issue illegal drugs screwed idiot problems harm hand threat life livelyhood sacrafice idiot problem ballooning number addicts problems hillary white house administration feels pain harm drives school full kids train stoned drives sidewalk kills people lives welfare rest life problem bite sending slimy bastards chair selling drugs kids 
california insurance commissioner endorses federal legislation protect consumers scam insurance companies organization distribution summary lines article cramer clayton cramer writes philosophy economy collapsed excuse philosophy idea philosophy american economy downs number prevailing economic philosophies economics science lifetime philosophy socialism masquerading liberal welfare state ascendancy earth clayton philosophy discussed minor point dude idea economic political principles adhere stop roll ascribe choose wisely personal responsibility wrote welfare system deal wholly inadequate cope current state affairs absolutely response socialists socialism expect socialist flash subculture utterly dominated movie industries decades subculture personal subculture dominating movie industries money sell recent movements boycott advertisers shown sensitive sells happened personal responsibility personally responsible decline extent people encouraged responsible encouraged people responsible specific make random dates heinous acts encouraged people things make audiences responsible actions finite amount responsibility conservation energy responsible occurrence encouraging actual perpetrator correspondingly point perpetrator completely innocent altogether lends meaning term moral high ground oddly unskilled semiskilled people manage find employment immediately move cheaper part country jobs plentiful cost living lower west side chicago cheap squalor city places cheap live jobs abundant pass sonoma county pass info curiosity kind jobs demographic race culture lots employment utterly surrounded socialists suppose sort environment attract socialists dissuade areas wealthy breed socialists spoiled rich kids feeling guilty wealth guilty give politicians limited wealth life bitch fornicalia considered someplace geographically distant politically friendly indiana utah doubt drugs left buying food place read cases makes news show statistics afdc abuse relatives drugs food secondary doubt show statistics contrary persist apparently dogmatic socialist belief afdc money worse long term feed fdcs perlow germinal gadfly audace toujours audace encore audace 
ways slick willie improve standing americans organization news organization lines nntp posting host calvin article mwalker walker writes copyright edward ipser means quote permission lists sigs folks darn stop slamming ipser making people alan 
italy domino fall organization department computer science lines hagenjd jeff hagen writes good party system bring italy efficient accountable government yeah walter rolandi usenet rolandi hssc scarolina internet rolandi hssc scarolina 
winning drugs keywords drugs legalization organization dartmouth college hanover lines kennejs okstate kennedy james scot writes chart wednesday april issue today drug eigth graders mike snider adolescents choices drugs eighth graders month estimated students alcohol cigarettes marijuana amphetamines cocaine crack source university michigan institute social research report winning drugs tactics employs give people impression drugs selectively quote statistics statistics support contention drug excerpt time magazine included post excellent organizations attempt deceive public learn statistics presented rounding means actual change statistics place similarly increase cocaine increase crack account margin error provided rest argument present unfounded today surprisingly provided virtually information 
study percentage organization university virginia lines clayton cramer writes compared table posted masters johnson kolodny showing male homosexual partners apparent homosexual dramatically promiscuous general male population selection effect admit member sexual minority homosexuality admit member sexual minority highly promiscious greg hennessy university virginia usps mail astronomy department charlottesville internet uucp uunet virginia 
clinton wiretapping initiative organization aerospace corporation segundo lines nntp posting host aerospace aero article idbsu broward horne writes newsgroup able find clinton proposed wiretapping initiative computer networks telephone systems initiative congress past months guise wiretapping bill kind brainless clod posted garbage kind explain clinton initiative congress past months jeez thing blaming weather poor blaming world blaming civil thirty years 
bill targets pension funds liberation organization tektronix redmond lines excerpts insight magazine march paranoia part deleted insight magazine published mooneys 
homosexuals organization diego state university computing services lines distribution nntp posting host ucssun sdsu kaldis rutgers theodore kaldis writes study discrediting kinsey views expressed theodore kaldis kaldis rutgers major university rutgers remus rutgers kaldis hold views understanding psycology classes percentage world wide source figure riyadh moosa sdsu chemistry cosc sdsu 
tories lottery clinton nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article ckincy charles kincy rites article rscharfy ohio state ryan scharfy writes country ruined fact booming compared election hell reagan bush caused lame pathetic wrong reagan bush economy grew trillion dollars entire economy germany kind gentle country peoples books joke drive cincinnati pretty drive cleveland times toledo originally place sucked long planet things growth hands georgie pals single dime dammit bled death leeches damage great republicans pass balanced budget amendment years thing people columbus drive marysville make japanese cars american companies couln compete country free trade issue automobile pendelum swung back american owned companies employ central ohio ohio state university tens thousands ryan 
clinton caves reduces jobs bill summary good true evidently organization acme products lines article demon wright boomer writes clinton backed billion jobs bill word paring core jobless benefits money creating full time jobs summer jobs money chalk holding line spending radio reports overly optimistic clinton billion community block grants keeping summer jobs hmm pressure congresspersons brett passionate vested interest disguised intellectual conviction sean casey white plague frank herbert 
study percentage nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article lfoard virginia wrence foard writes article cramer clayton cramer writes santa rosa press democrat april male survey activity natonal study male sexual behavior examination american sexual practices published kinsey report decades shows percent surveyed engaged homosexual percent considered exclusively homosexual figures homosexuality study released wednesday alan guttmacher institute significantly lower percent figure part conventional wisdom published kinsey report gays gays claim interesting reaction million queers gather washington million event unprecidented history dream abortion african american civil rights rallies bring half article numbers number sexual partners median number sexual partners forget partners wondering laid compared table posted masters johnson kolodny showing male homosexual partners apparent homosexual dramatically promiscuous general male population study show number sexual contacts homosexual number inconvient cares shame breakdown straight show dramatically promiscuous fuck promiscuous option living straight life social pressures join pythagorean reform church repent evil irrational numbers bean eating ways accept heart call pythagorean reform church fact homosexuality comparatively high hitler storm troopers power triangles ryan 
study percentage nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article numbers number sexual partners median number sexual partners compared table posted masters johnson kolodny showing male homosexual partners apparent homosexual dramatically promiscuous general male population shame breakdown straight show dramatically promiscuous funny homosexuality flawed imho source information pass jusgement homosexual bisexual comprehensive survey sexuality years logical heterosexual group larger chances promiscuity larger opinion orientation chance size common multimillion number scale talking male times life virgin promiscuous chill morals heterosexual world statistics prove criminals default hetero kinsley report high percentage prisoners ryan 
jobs pork bill summary answer local communities decide block grants distribution organization boomer lines nntp posting host thor article mwilson atlantaga mark wilson writes start white house seeking mount public pressure senators bombarded news outlets senator home states news releases warning projects funded billion stimulus bill passed projects mentioned bill part list funded billion community development block grants sworn heard bunch clintonites raving dishonest rebublicans taking items list order ridicule bill clinton list order garner support bill honorable thing clinton dishonest clintonites cited clarify case clinton dishonesty necessarily defend issues specific projects included community development block grant portion president proposal congressional republicans effort discredit stimulus package selected felt silly sounding projects list potential projects prepared mayors conference stimulus package proposed document question designed pressure white house increase size block grant proposal submitted congress work billion proposed stimulus package close covering total estimated cost original list passed communities select projects fund level case spokane foley home district expected able refurbish local swimming pool republicans examples funds stimulus package estimated cost exceeded total amount block grant funds city receive stimulus package projects plan money public housing construction remodeling cope severe housing shortage places true swimming pool improvements bottom long list priorities prepared city million received cover pressing priorities block grants stimulus package projects affected lack funds clinton administration publicizing issue final point community block grants worth noting congressional republicans opposition nixon administration republicans generally supported grants alternative targeted federal spending arguing local governments able determine spending priorities washington bureaucrats clear complicated understand steve hendricks domain steveh thing data uucp uunet thor steveh bulls hofferbert bell 
homosexuals nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university distribution lines article cosc sdsu riyadh jmoosa writes kaldis rutgers theodore kaldis writes study discrediting kinsey views expressed theodore kaldis kaldis rutgers major university rutgers remus rutgers kaldis hold views understanding psycology classes percentage world wide source figure riyadh moosa sdsu chemistry cosc sdsu survey conducted government group calling news shows morning comprehensive survey sexuality past years exact quote idea percentage evidence disproving theory ryan 
study percentage nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article cray russ anderson writes article cramer clayton cramer writes santa rosa press democrat april male survey activity natonal study male sexual behavior examination american sexual practices published kinsey report decades shows percent surveyed engaged homosexual percent considered exclusively homosexual study shows percent surveyed engaged homosexual percent considered exclusively homosexual kinsey report years liberal times homosexuality point people acutally interesting clip newspaper mention difference conservative media bias smart realize argument apply survey homosexuality stupid idid bryant gumble bring point figures homosexuality study released wednesday alan guttmacher institute significantly lower percent figure part conventional wisdom published kinsey report ryan 
rational viewpoint study percentage organization santa cruz lines nntp posting host orchid ucsc article dans uiuc writes forget culture sadly society homosexuality normal aware alot people condemn result population encouraged develop promiscuous relationships fact roadblocks committed relationships heterosexual community puts blocks perpetuate claim gays immoral allowed gays marry raise children find moral thoughts flame good point held people develop paths choose desire heterosexuals tend leave hanging sense knowledge information sexuality relationships difficult young person develop build positive view themself constantly told implicitly explicitly wrong immoral concepts personal relationships deeply embedded emotionalism fear fears cover wide range jealousy lack trust cornerstones modern american relationships concepts madison avenue attractiveness standards pressure measure 
robertson keywords homosexuality organization rutgers univ brunswick lines response report news correspondent lormond meeting slick willie homosexual activists lormond clinton attending rally homosexuals washington month town retreat senate democrats robertson yeah retreat laughter sustained applause report correspondent deborah whitsen fizzling boycott instigated homosexuals colorado whitsen colorado resorts record crowds year call homosexual activists boycott state record snowfalls mountains year skiers coming droves robertson snow sustained applause views expressed theodore kaldis kaldis rutgers major university rutgers remus rutgers kaldis hold views 
guess percentage organization santa cruz lines nntp posting host orchid ucsc article clas virginia greg hennessy writes clayton cramer writes compared table posted masters johnson kolodny showing male homosexual partners apparent homosexual dramatically promiscuous general male population selection effect admit member sexual minority homosexuality admit member sexual minority highly promiscious greg hennessy university virginia obvious cramer ability leap faith listened involved study claim involved truth extrapolating types studies surveys limited subsets individuals alot skewing improper selection methods bias people involved studies sides subject researcher admit part group admit people considered abnormal rate applies heterosexual fact straight number partners thing culture male requires type response harmless silly carries large emotional mental price hear college male students everyday talking supposed conquest good eyes alot college males hetero partners 
study percentage nntp posting host magnusug magnus ohio state organization ohio state university lines article clas virginia greg hennessy writes clayton cramer writes compared table posted masters johnson kolodny showing male homosexual partners apparent homosexual dramatically promiscuous general male population selection effect admit member sexual minority homosexuality admit member sexual minority highly promiscious yeah haate brag woman ryan 
state justice organization steering committee lines demon wright judge denied trial motion witnesses occupant truck dead impact fire thoughts kind scary realize judges start denying trials evidence contradicts facts previous ruling minor thing called interest finality repose means parties dragged court losing side discovers evidence brett suspect resources find expert fact witnesses wanted trial started letting open case practically invitation civil litigant earth hole case verdict federal criminal cases rule permit motion trial based newly discovered evidence made years verdict emphasis mine make backhanded point criminal justice discussion criminal trials estimable david brock amusing piece week save breath judge decided witnesses believed shouldn jury shoulda brought time members previous jury parading talk shows proclaiming obvious bias judge verdict call trial happened jurors objective reason supposed bias predated trial opposed product unfairly prevented discovering venireman concealment allowed complain moral choose sort parents start rough george mark eckenwiler cmcl panix 
state justice organization massachusetts institute technology lines nntp posting host achates article cray russ anderson writes death texas denied trial dispite evidence inocents recommend book adams texas story adams sentenced death crime commit book story long appeals process problems delays caused able introduce evidence courts john carr 
good neighbor political hypocrisy test organization winco lines article jrbeach jeffry beach writes article mike michael thomas writes waste time battle legalization drugs prove idiotic idea read fuck talking eager make fool foolish person fuck talking gladly demonstrate ignorants legalization drugs provide benefits highly taunted proponents safer cheaper drugs revenues taxes drugs reduced crime reduced organized crime specifically ahh classic truth blatant assertion technique demonstrably false great britain nice history drug criminalization evidence shows periods time drugs heroin illegal crime people drugs times drugs legalized trends reversed prove clueless wasted posts group intended easily solved research great ironclad proof gosh convinced humor impaired assert evidence dodge requests proof claiming group intended research realize plenty reason legalizing drugs benefits society plausible arguments convince criminalization drugs answer convinced wrong doubt likes dale cook town churches bars social problem edward abbey opinions mine employer 
state justice organization lawrence berkeley laboratory theoretical physics group lines reply matt berkeley nntp posting host physics berkeley reply message article john carr writes recommend book adams texas story adams sentenced death crime commit book story long appeals process problems delays caused able introduce evidence courts recommend movie thin blue line case legal detail excellent film shows easy seemingly conclusive evidence guilty matthew austern eventually make language matt berkeley complete impediment understanding 
bush clinton wiretapping initiative summary bush wiretapping initiative news software vnews keywords organization computer systems ingres product division lines article idbsu broward horne writes newsgroup able find clinton proposed wiretapping initiative computer networks telephone systems initiative congress past months guise wiretapping bill guess strength math clinton president months words bush wiretapping initiative strongly urge begin future strongly urge application passport mail strongly urge moving savings overseas protected bank accounts able panicking snapped authur garrett johnson culture shock wait till garrett settled situation found bearings start panicking douglas adams 
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religion homosexuality keywords liberal reply dsoconne uchicago organization university chicago distribution lines magarret ohio state computer dudette writes recently realized bisexual recently returned religion good friend pointed homosexuality bible considered male homosexuality explicitly mentioned bibles hook event plenty people denominations person sexual identification lesbian bisexual immoral lifestyle choice liberal feminist choice choice religious told misconception told story minister lesbian personally professionally openly lesbian ministers unitarian universalist denomination choice needn unitarian universalists liberal religion acceptance sexual identification choice views spirituality freedom conscience good luck journey daniel connell meadville lombard theological school university chicago divinity school 
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spreading christianity christian extremist kills doctor organization misc student carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines distribution nntp posting host andrew reply snide christianity convenient religion maliable suitable occassion follow whichever bits pleases reinterpret bits match desires fact convenient capable believing brand christianity difficulty left picking sect join dean kaflowitz christianity convenient teachings jesus christ commandments convenient love hateful world convenient turning cheek convenient convenient burdensome times dave feel life joke dylan school interfere education mark twain rumors death greatly exaggerated mark twain tact point stabbing subtlety understood happy life human game show host movie heathers 
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list biblical contradictions organization starfleet headquarters francisco lines joslin pitt david joslin writes curious purpose people lists serve lists quantity quality argument article length list poorer quality agree asked reason working list recently christians bible contradictions whatsoever true describes reality perfectly predicts history carry sort meaningful conversation people show concrete evidence bible airtight thought hope list specifically bring fact genesis contradictory creation stories blank stares flat denials fundamentalist acknowledge accounts creation brian kendig suis fait comme aucun bskendig ceux croire etre fait comme aucun ceux existent meaning life vaux mieux moins suis autre ends rousseau 
bhagavad gita organization panix public access internet unix lines kalki dasa writes topics discussed vedas fact original knowledge topics vedas newage standards popularity experiencing vedas popular newagers things mention interesting jewish tradition incredibly wrong originate torah jewish ancestors specifically patriarch abraham knowledge east india china abraham gave gifts commentators jewish scripture knowledge occult arts rest children east assured isaac remained abraham inherit important spiritual gifts eventually judaism religions parochial views jewish view mistaken scripture scripture gods gods practices jumble errors lead people idol worship stop respecting extent convert proselytize dialog respectful manner content live care live long leave happy exist long give incredible rudeness violent nature preclude typical religion difference newage practitioner actual follower vedic teachings typical newager desires acquire material powers opulences mentioned vedas referring source lord kingdom personal power responsibility acknowledging source person power words plain selfish presumptuous fellow dare presume typical ager acknowledge selfish trite righteous garbage buddhists christians jews religions newsgroups words simple slander vedic follower hand matter desires worship vedas give complete description mistake identification reason parts vedas deal directly personality godhead popular newagers presents complete vedas branded evangelist wrong simply presenting unadulterated vedic teachings jewish perspective incredibly wrong godhead created beings enjoying good laugh expense thief takes mine newager takes mine false mystic careful avoid coming contact real owner things stolen invents explanation things conveniently omits identity owner lord words lies selfish thieves liars expect attention religion call convert gratefullness lord merciful sends servants remind newager identity spirit soul eternal servant unwanted evangelist continues broadcast complete truth delude moskowitz moskowit 
question popular morality organization microsoft corp distribution lines article bobsarv sarver writes understand words inflicts pain enjoy masochist wrong gross bizarre agree disgust equal morally wrong hudson inflicts pain enjoy hurting permanently damaging body true business people reason reading bible xtian permanently damaging brain logic home bible send education camps save mind ruin ready hudson wrong gave authority standard morality living thinking person able make choices show observed errors thinking trust make rules standard morality permit force accept rules simply people give stop hudson aware obnoxious arrogant thinking morally force bullshit brought religious wars pogroms jews bashing atrocities people knew morally hudson people able died made thing hudson aren indicating people telling wrong moral standard presenting hudson life people point respect trust people intelligent make choices expect returned hand trust make choice avoid inconsistency moral standards interfere lives logic admit people interference life religion correct tells agents acting behalf religion interference people misinterpreted word actual true believers acting authority hudson gave authority moral standard moral standard standards surprised people follow rats pied piper basic form beat bloody pulp interfere life humane level recognize people sentient beings possessed intelligence capable reason recognize treated respect allowed make decisions 
question popular morality organization microsoft corp distribution lines hudson people hurt bodies hurt peoples bodies people hurt hudson hurting violation choice hudson elses deal morality relative morality relative make mind find moral systems respect human life dignity person stuff points forms core disagreement primitive moral absolutists rest hudson insane lover pain reason people experienced pain learn enjoy fine clinical definition crazy involves violation free insane lover inflicting pain subject hudson premises derive patently false statement hudson sort premise choice awareness demonstrated football team require premises freedom choice sentience awareness wrong moral systems david bold suggestion reading subject preaching 
question popular morality organization microsoft corp distribution lines hudson immoral onesself experience pain hurt unpleasant morality violates free hudson derive immorality hurting selfish motives wrong hurt people makes productive members society hudson making productive member society immoral hudson screwing morality define wrong defines acceptable social behavior overtones good evil picking trash wrong moral issue eternal sense good evil moral sense acceptable social behavior definition word morality causing trip selfish maximize gains society member society action benefit derive society hudson benefit related morality definition causing shoot foot hudson feels personal benefit enhanced damaged depleting resources society hurt society immensly irrational thinking people death atomic destruction sublime wonderful thing execute idea simply people make minds morals prevent spotting stopping madman hudson stop interferes life difference interfere people lives affecting hudson central character dostoevsky crime punishment reasoned killed jewish woman stole money educate establish financially make great contribution society reasoned profit society collected rents hoarded money central points moral system internally consistent killing character accept premise ends justify means accepted premise order consistent accept idea person apply standard life unwilling accept premise accept behaved inconsistently moral standard football deleted hudson suppose freshman bench play players field court injured killed freshman play game talent scout hurts player team slightly lessen chances team gain great personal benefit operating purely selfish immorally selfish motives arranges sniper shoot team player play front talent scout freshman behave morally selfish intentions generate apparently moral actions problems problem analogy address goal started winning game playing front talent scout winning game creating analogy ultimate goal internal consistency question addressed freshman people accept fact happen unwilling violated moral standard 
question popular morality organization microsoft corp distribution lines hudson materialistic point view nervous system matter wrong producing chemical reactions matter matter alive aware feels pain hudson morality relative hairy deal person morality relative people hold absolutes moral system personallyand created including matter part wrong parts test tube make reactions form blasphemy hudson generally christians creator creation distinction religions accept premises enforce view premise prove intellectual basis resistance accepting viewpoint hudson long long hurt relative rule left matter hurts jump positions play stupid realize dispute call popular morality logic stretching thin hudson morality relative degenerates reasoning generally evil hurt people sufficient answer opposed moral relativism call capacity degenerate advocate nonrelative absolute moral system absolutist moral system choose decision people disagree chosen moral system hudson morality considered relative rule based arbitrary rule people abandon fine agree typed morality based nonrelative pick xtianity base start morality based dignity humans freedom choice tolerance rely xtianity consistent moral system based true principles involve xtianity xtianity monopoly principles behavior fewer religions guiltier violating principles 
question popular morality organization microsoft corp distribution lines article bobsarv sarver writes immoral hurt happen hudson make immoral consistent moral systems consistent person thinks inflict pain inflicted double standard double standards violation moral system morality defines interact people rules guide daily affairs conduct fellow realizing pain realize people hudson pain brussel sprouts brussel sprouts immoral pain immoral stupid pain physiological reaction immoral produce chemical reactions test tube chemical reaction wrong bozo making human undergo effects chemical reaction cute analogy survive long scrutiny hudson wrong make humans undergo effects reactions humans composed matter humans composed qualifying criteria wrong hudson wrong make matter undergo chemical reactions sentient matter nature sentient force choice involved question morality hudson heard geologist entertain notion matter sentient force fine heard government encoding race superhumans ordinary drinking water point hudson humans made matter choices chemical reactions choice important issue case idea contained minds people formed matter printed pages formed matter exist argumentem absurdium prove points relevant talk playing cute games 
list biblical contradictions organization university georgia athens lines article bskendig brian kendig writes specifically bring fact genesis contradictory creation stories blank stares flat denials fundamentalist acknowledge accounts creation creation stories worst examples difficulty bible formed translated formed chapter problems text demand creation stories link hudson 
question popular morality organization university georgia athens lines article dsoconne uchicago writes base true absolute morality stand note majority people remain unconvinced idea worth pragmatic sense stand base precious link 
religion homosexuality keywords liberal organization university georgia athens distribution lines article dsoconne uchicago writes male homosexuality explicitly mentioned bibles hook condemnation lesbian acts bible romans event plenty people denominations person sexual identification lesbian bisexual immoral lifestyle choice plenty read bible pray matter link hudson 
bhagavad gita organization distribution lines poster writes kingdom vaikuntha tigers living beings material world consume tigers means invincible miserable material situation return kingdom called material world kingdom acting animals number pastime modern human beings animals inferior humans superior desire superior overwhelming humans constantly innocent animals request mail copy response read regularly 
mark beast info organization community access unix internet project lines slightly note buildings state numbers roof manhattan garden city garden city nice black unmarked building join pythagorean reform church repent evil irrational numbers bean eating ways accept heart call pythagorean reform church 
list biblical contradictions organization starfleet headquarters francisco lines hudson paul hudson writes bskendig brian kendig writes specifically bring fact genesis contradictory creation stories blank stares flat denials fundamentalist acknowledge accounts creation creation stories worst examples difficulty bible formed translated formed chapter problems text demand creation stories genesis created earth animals humans turns humans created animals escape contradiction brian kendig suis fait comme aucun bskendig ceux croire etre fait comme aucun ceux existent meaning life vaux mieux moins suis autre ends rousseau 
kermit reply tony rose free book mormon organization hewlett packard boise idaho newsreader version lines robert weiss psyrobtw buffalo wrote lots stuff nicene creed deleted read original basenote leave netters weiss task mormon doctrine declare difinitive word church teaches doctrine netters amiable explanation good rebut weiss stated origin nicene creed status devine inspired good proved discussion debate authors creed inspired leave time post thought authored eugene england professor english brigham young university england wrote part book review section people magazine spring edition conclude sermon mormon human family labeling rejecting terms feminist patriarchal liberal conservative christian christian tempted draw circle beliefs traditions styles call american exclude central defining characteristic good american draw exclusive circles surest excluding central american ideal excluding tempted draw circle mormon christian decide orthodox agree central pillar christ orthodoxy ability love unconditionally include family recently spent time christian bookstore california service excellent clerks customers smiling neat scrubbed expected wholesome offerings scriptural commentaries sentimental fiction collections evangelistic sermons dismayed find shelf space attacking viciously political left modern american culture religions section devoted cults occult expect mormonism rubric indictment authors satanism found rent english spanish copies makers absurdly inaccurate libelous popular dangerous anti mormon film exaclty techniques accusations nazi films scapegoated jews major indication person genuine convert christ redemptive love lack paranoia anxiety perfect love casteth fear john pleased church engaged attacks faiths find disheartening increase willingness individual mormons engage kinds stereotyping scapegoating threats coercive action religious wing launched year political left american cultural religious styles fearful irony mormons common people slanderously attacked mormons people power forcefully restrict mormons rights evil sermon addressed audience subscribe people magazine apply rely mercies grace jesus christ bring back arms church claims devine authority exercise principles restored gospel days christ church claim perfection infallibility authoritative status lead church labelled christian profess christians attack beliefs intollerent religion interpret biblical scriptures source meaning implication mainstream christianity give majority prove collective voice louder critics church stand terms kind biblical interpretation proof counter church interpretation elses biased research truths truths mixture authoritative tool disprove discredit fair simply agree disagree share beliefs adult discussion conversation uplifting leifson signing 
spreading christianity christian extremist kills doctor organization florida state university distribution lines david sacco writes snide christianity convenient religion maliable suitable occassion follow whichever bits pleases reinterpret bits match desires fact convenient capable believing brand christianity difficulty left picking sect join dean kaflowitz christianity convenient teachings jesus christ commandments convenient love hateful world convenient turning cheek convenient convenient burdensome times dave christians discount commandments sunday substituted sabbath 
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reply organization university buffalo lines news software vnews nntp posting host ubvmsb buffalo article hall leifson writes england story deleted nice read time lead church labelled christian profess christians attack beliefs intollerent religion interpret biblical scriptures source meaning implication mainstream christianity give matter interpretation bible texts sets mormonism orthodoxy matter fabrication years national lampoon comic strips drawn neal adams called comics parody jesus bible comic group thirteen jewish kids brooklyn magic word turned myopic curly headed yarmulke wearing replica stylizied portraits jesus long flowing brown hair gentile features profess faith natlamp jesus claim christian believed natlamp jesus fallacious jesus fabrication exist exact thing claim christian profess faith jesus jesus profess faith fabrication natlamp jesus robert weiss psyrobtw buffalo 
number beast viewer discr organization university mexico albuquerque lines nntp posting host article brown alex gottschalk writes math fitting neatly 
question popular morality reply david ericsson distribution world organization camtec electronics ericsson leicester england lines nntp posting host bangkok paul hudson hudson writes directly moral argument existence show absurdity atheistic materialist relatavists embrace common moral system absolute heart wrong inherited knowledge matter absurd suggest common moral system created mankind absolute contrary reason suggest common moral system created mankind fact bible mankind moral code interpreted mankind workable moral system created everyday jewish talmud result centuries biblical scholars analysing word torah understand morality children israel strict moral civil judicial ceremonial laws follow cover instance moral dilemma society christian situation code morality judeo christian contained bible diverse opinions christian newsgroups clear absolute morality defined judeo christian mankind follow subset simply concept written leads problem defining morality society divine morality code practice interpreted ways immolation heretics fifteenth century interpretation bible precept administer justice agnostic morality code practice modified suit society danger implies alternatively basis judeo christian morality interpret extend create justify code morality suits society live enables people live righteously christian christian philosophers driving force definition morality society important aspect result david religion fishes cried swam clearness 
fragmentation organization dayton microcomputer association dayton ohio newsreader version lines primary problem human nature fragmentation humans state tension tension opposites good evil thought provoking polarities mind bible examples fragmentation warring opposites product rebellion vividly pages scriptures created order words basil fourth century created partaker divine nature eastern orthodox church called theosis deification created spirit soul body operating unison story adam picture archetypal humans obtaining moral consciousness harmonious relationship world creator innocent harmony shattered disobeyed natural wholeness falling seemingly irreconcilable halves immediately guilt fear manifested lives bound hardship toil suffering symbolized exile paradisiac state beast jungle possess moral consciousness receive awareness knowledge good evil paradisiac state destroyed intention creator leave state innocence days existence earth gaining awareness carefully staged desire masterpiece mankind blissful idiot mankind achieve kind moral pass confrontation opposites achieve union jesus christ answer problem warring polarities perfectly integrated individual reconciling opposites making integrated essence energies opposites christian problem apostle paul describes utmost precision romans answer dilemma mark 
thou shalt kill applied bible distribution world lines edgar pearlstein wrote places bible commandment thou shalt kill specifically applied refrained killing remembered commandment excellent reason commandment note abrahamic literary tradition strong narrative light dialog virtually nonexistent introspection sessions speaking note network address tnet author tmail mail news shell 
spreading christianity christian extremist kills doctor organization distribution lines article david sacco writes snide christianity convenient religion maliable suitable occassion follow whichever bits pleases reinterpret bits match desires fact convenient capable believing brand christianity difficulty left picking sect join christianity convenient teachings jesus christ commandments convenient love hateful world convenient turning cheek convenient convenient burdensome times remark contradiction pass addressing notion great commission deleted order provide dull homilies bing crosby back sleep mommy daddy tuck convenient bible michael griffin convenient christianity skip murdering people loving sinner hating stuff concentrate part wrong shoot back times hobble crutches leave convert program missionaries military escorts americas nadja explain convenient offer platitudes david addressing arguments dean kaflowitz 
sunday lord organization oregon health sciences university lines nntp posting host facman pharvey paul harvey writes dlecoint acns darius lecointe writes sunday worship honor thing pronounced heavenly beings resurrected moon lunacy sunday worshiper heard sabbath originally determined phases moon elements moon worship early stuff egyptian nature larry caldwell caldwell compuserve oregon health sciences university 
number beast viewer discretion advised reply carleton james owens organization national capital freenet lines resolution guarantees humanitarian irag gulf smoke saddam middle east talking religious ranting james owens carleton ottawa ontario canada 
religion homosexuality distribution organization wolves unix lines signature ccbdf ccfea article dlecoint acns darius lecointe writes lfoard virginia lawrence foard writes unlike kleptomaniacs adulterers homosexuals hurt homosexual family accept decision hurt emotionally good question nice concise answer child parents crushed emotionally starts carerr greatly dislike kind harm caused thing desire child true important true burying truth order maintain peace family hard question good answer lance 
biblical contradictions answered judas organization youngstown state youngstown free lines nntp posting host posted days dave butler missed usenet board changed case missed dave butler writes daveb dave butler newsgroups talk religion misc subject biblical contradictions fallaciously answered judas date basically restrict post showing type evidence decenso presented answering questions couple spurious insults false claims reply decenso looked index bauer arndt gingrich greek lexicon found word acts kleros chorion stated archer large discussion kleros theological dictionary testament bromley meaning burial plot discussed discusses forms kleros kleros kleroo meanings kleros plot land inheritance mentions chorion burial plot surprise good thing dumped archer reference corrected daveb dave butler newsgroups talk religion misc subject biblical contradictions fallaciously answered judas date group apology habit check articles submission errors article stated decenso looked index bauer arndt gingrich greek lexicon found word acts kleros chorion stated archer large discussion kleros theological dictionary testament bromley meaning burial plot discussed discusses forms kleros kleros kleroo meanings kleros plot land inheritance mentions chorion burial plot surprise good thing dumped archer reference wrong admit handle greek grammar confused kleros word acts plot land discussed actuality chorion word acts greek dictionary discuss chorion report nuances word caught able aversion disseminating mistakes mistake prove point reply vary noble dave number sources show wrong researching chorion reference decenso bullinger bullinger ridiculous exegisis accused decenso believing bullinger replied misquoted maintain find exegesis convincing dear reply misquotes astounding dave read beginning part response posting article decenso benefit argument caused rediscover bullinger exegisis realize find garbage beneficial convinced reply correcting restating points decenso replied dave necessarily views bullinger discuss land issue posts responding directed bullinger views enjoyable apologize thinking decenso find drek convincing parts bullinger finds convincing quit hiding disingenuous mask bullinger believed necessarily decenso find exegisis convincing reply purposes debating alleged contradictions diseminate views reconciliations raised bible scholars students alike present views distinguish archer bullinger find decenso presented greek exegisis decenso made thing referring back actual greek find demand part quality greek exegisis hypocritical requirement reply good point declaring passages contradictory produced superficial reasonings observations deeper glad begun post begin greek studies passages depth thought decenso evidence claims standard stated text parallel passages pertinent scriptures historical context historical content pertinent historical info cultural context cultural content pertinent cultural info grammatical construction hebrew greek word studies actual standards simply empty hyperbole reconcile passages hand presented historical context historical content pertinent historical info cultural context cultural content pertinent cultural info grammatical construction hebrew greek word studies remember archer bullinger count find vaunted criteria exegisis empty mouthings reply question find criteria important plan starting ability continue present shallow observations point debates found present total exegetical analysis passages beating bush core verses criteria refute arguments judas acts matthew point criteria desire hope greatly enhance study passages thing passage passage decenso honest note list herring real criteria text parallel passages reply reason simple mistating passages claim passages contradict passages contradicting complimentary scholarly sources mention matthew presenting judas death claim defense reward iniquity acts passage pieces silver matthew passages valiant attempt stating beginning stages debates laying scriptural groundwork expanded deeper exegesis reason drastically reinterpret passage judas death make agree passage considered correct reply reasons exegetical view passages majority scholarship wrong concluding passages complimentary problem tony rose explanation judas death explain inaccuracy judas hanging matthew falling headlong burst open question manner judas died constantly confronted travels people point apparent discrepancy accounts obvious irreconcilable error idea inerrant bible destroyed contradictory accounts case matthew relates judas hanged peter tells fell crushed impact statements necessarily contradict matthew judas fall peter judas hang matter person calling black person calling white accounts true supplementary reconstruction judas hanged tree edge precipice overlooked valley hinnom hung time limb tree snapped rope gave judas fell ledge mangling body process fall death explanation possibility natural terrain valley hinnom examined bottom valley rocky terraces feet height perpendicular trees ledges rocky pavement bottom easy conclude judas struck jagged rocks tearing body open important remember told long judas remained hanging tree advanced decomposition body fall louis gaussen relates story determined kill individual sill high window pointed pistol head pulled trigger leaped window time hand person life shooting rightly contend committed suicide jumping form tall building case true true case matthew peter accounts death judas situation perspectives event reason rejecting attempt discredit inerrancy related impossible highly earlier post quoting tony rose trees ledges rocky pavement bottom easy conclude judas struck jagged rocks tearing body open important remember told long judas remained hanging tree advanced decomposition body fall added text version heavy assuming opposed tactics find credible find tony rose eisegesis satisfactory rejecting david joslin discredit tony explanation based deem heavy passages addressed feel vain attempt reconcile contradiction happen shown reject possibility questions matthew lying luke lying lying misinformed alleged contradiction told respect present decenso asks questions claim acts matthew contradict representing judas death provide evidence matthew stated judas died hanging claim pieces silver matthew judas threw temple chief priests reward iniquity acts pictures judas purchasing field contradiction prove pieces silver reward iniquity find question stupid request answer restricts points point hanging efficient manner ending life fact fluke survives hanging fantasy cowboy movies referred attempted hanging reply work agency investigates child abuse neglect today call child attempted suicide hanging mother crack failed attempt child psych ward local hospital hanging attempts successful assume hangings successful begging question quote night listening bible answer broadcast christian research institute show scholars terms familiar show teaches comparative religion logic interesting prevalent hung qualifiers synonymous stating killed reply qualifiers important times passage mention hanging outcome matthew source judas hanging state judas died result synonymous means meaning hung lived thousands documented cases discover thought fact decenso respects christian scholarly including greek scholars opinion research reply dave interestingly christian references read interpreted hanging fatal suicide reply mine christian sources back points tony position valid possibility sources read wrong lying deceived parts books archer toss side including interpretation hanging judas find errors deception sources noted interpreted hanging meaning died possibly true find text remember criteria examine included biblical knowledge commentary woodward zuck reply good source commentary info inerrant interpreters volume commentary bible laydon volume bible commentary dunelow word meanings testament ralph earl abingdon bible commentary published abingdon harpers bible commentary william neal presented reply research dave approach alleged contradictions depth study case references specifically describe interpretation matt successful suicide conclude greek word apagchw hang oneself translated successful hanging reply mine conclude tony highly probable outcome matthew state death result greek word apagcho matthew occurrence testament septuagint greek translation time jesus samuel ahithophel advice saddled donkey arose home house city household order hanged died buried father tomb notice stated ahithophel hanged sept apagcho explicitly adds died doubt result matthew explicitly told judas died greek suggest success failure simply means hang oneself decenso disagree show reputable christian scholars insist hanging successful reply mine reputable erred insisting hanging unsuccessful earlier post agree tony exegesis probable explanation judas death taking account criteria recently noticed things matthew threw pieces silver temple departed hanged chief priests silver pieces lawful treasury price blood consulted bought potter field bury strangers field called field blood notice text judas died result hanging hanged luke acts tells falling headlong burst open middle entrails gushed pretty clear indication details acts peter speech pick apostle judas fall dead concept matthew luke recount judas death highly probable clear wrote reply stickler dave recently noticed passage matthew sinned betraying innocent blood threw pieces silver temple departed hanged chief priests silver pieces lawful treasury price blood consulted bought potter field bury strangers field called field blood notice verse hanged matthew judas died assume died result hanging acts purchased field wages iniquity falling headlong burst open middle entrails gushed written book psalms dwelling place desolate live office graphic explanation judas death line reasoning dispel contradiction myth accounts judas death matthew necessarily explain judas died judas hanged specifically judas died hanging incident acts show graphic demise contradiction matthew acts judas death reply matthew hang acts records death plausible fell hanging rocks bursting open longer assume case contradiction matthew judas died result hanging scholars quoted show highly regard scholars explanations texts initially assume judas died highly probable agree judas died hanging books ways dealing contradiction discussing simply simply referred back matthew version correct version matt acts biblical knowledge commentary suggested hypotheses judas hung rotted belly exploded explain headlong fall branch rope broke fell death gushed explain hanging fall headlong feet reply outcome fall dependent factors high person suspended fall obstructions tree branches deviated fall steep incline rocky surfaces victim fell possibly rolling bouncing rocks superficial examination acts passage matthew passage info geographical specifics tony quoted post gave reconstruction judas hanged tree edge precipice overlooked valley hinnom hung time limb tree snapped rope gave judas fell ledge mangling body process fall death explanation possibility natural terrain valley hinnom examined bottom valley rocky terraces feet height perpendicular trees ledges rocky pavement bottom easy conclude judas struck jagged rocks tearing body open truthfully comforting matthew confusing source potter field prophesy hand author correct matthew make confusion biblical inerrantist claim word bible guaranteed true contradiction death judas prophesy potter field reply study death remind discuss question decenso money judas purchased land betrayal source point acts specifically mention reward iniquity acts specifically mentions iniquity talking acts judas guide arrested jesus point bible describes iniquity immediately discusses reward iniquity inane suggest action iniquity discussed reply dave days peter stood midst disciples altogether number names hundred twenty brethren scripture fulfilled holy spirit spoke mouth david judas guide arrested jesus numbered obtained part ministry purchased field wages iniquity falling headlong burst open middle entrails gushed dwelling jerusalem field called language akel dama field blood written book psalms dwelling place desolate live office notice verse word iniquity states judas guide arrested jesus writer stop numbered obtained part ministry part judas play ministry cared poor thief money thought judas money jesus things feast give poor part judas played treasurer peter stated judas played part ministry treasurer john luke adds parenthetical explanation wages iniquity money ministry stolen judas purchase field exegetical explanation wages iniquity dave clear answers references unequivocally state type inerrantist type joslin reply gladly admit complete inerrantist problem limited inerrancy view frank wished contend answer time thousand 
spreading christianity christian extremist kills doctor organization distribution lines article dlecoint acns darius lecointe writes david sacco writes snide christianity convenient religion maliable suitable occassion follow whichever bits pleases reinterpret bits match desires fact convenient capable believing brand christianity difficulty left picking sect join dean kaflowitz christianity convenient teachings jesus christ commandments convenient love hateful world convenient turning cheek convenient convenient burdensome times christians discount commandments sunday substituted sabbath make poll recently religious adultery newsgroup atheism place dean kaflowitz 
biblical contradictions fallaciously answered judas organization tektronix wilsonville lines produced error week chorion decenso looked index bauer arndt gingrich greek lexicon found word acts kleros chorion stated archer large discussion kleros theological dictionary testament bromley meaning burial plot discussed discusses forms kleros kleros kleroo meanings kleros plot land inheritance mentions chorion burial plot surprise good thing dumped archer reference wrong admit handle greek grammar confused kleros word acts plot land discussed actuality chorion word acts greek dictionary discuss chorion report nuances word abhor publishing trash abhor present authority subject feel dishonest openly admit ignorance incompetence felt honor bound research specifically word noted greek grammar tough assumed nontrivial means competent opaque thought turns index bauer arndt gingrich greek lexicon renders verse order word verse greek alphabetical order meaning verse decipherable syntax clear hand greek english intralinear bible makes things comprehendable word field acts chorion checked greek english lexicons greek english lexicon testament louw nida robinson greek english lexicon testament greek english lexicon testament grimm word study concordance tynsdale greek english lexicon testament early christian writings bauer arndt gingrich analytical greek lexicon perschbacher case meaning word chorion variously space place region district field area country place land farm estate tillage similar meanings books mention grave books great detail surprised find books inadequate archer competent scholar greek archer investigations contradictions friend lacking substance archer shown worthless expert witness decenso honorably presented results matter found support archer contentions lexicons robinson definition agros word matthew describe field bought word agros defined field country chorion specifically noted synonym agros significant evidence silly bullinger exegisis stated word field matthew agros word field acts chorion talking fields admit stupid bullinger exegisis small serendipity drives point home decenso show compelling reasons reputable scholar reputable references issue closed decenso answer questions denials peter crucifixion tyre fact author matthew quoted wrong prophet discussing potter field dave butler precise knowledge true knowledge teach teach henry ward beecher american clergyman recorded george seldes 
biblical contradictions answered judas organization tektronix wilsonville lines decenso spite requiring scholarly opinion hanging judas rejects scholarly opinion scholars rephrases scholars opinion subject matthew hang acts records death plausible fell hanging rocks bursting open longer assume case contradiction matthew judas died result hanging scholars iprobably quoted show highly regard scholars explanations texts initially assume judas died highly probable greek suggest success failure simply means hang oneself research greek word apacgw find denote success scholars excellent reason assume suicide successful pointed recently checked lexicons greek english lexicon testament louw nida robinson greek english lexicon testament greek english lexicon testament grimm word study concordance tynsdale greek english lexicon testament early christian writings bauer arndt gingrich analytical greek lexicon perschbacher couple simply stated hanged oneself couple explicit stated apacgw means specifically kill hanging couple noted meaning root words apacgw strangle throttle choke pretty invalidates suggested david joslin judas hung upside references robinson greek english lexicon testament stated translation gave root words literal translation related greek words roots presented specific examples word greek literature give context word apagchw root words gchw strangle root root word means literally root words included words denote transition transition place greek word apagello means send message denote change state specifically change life death robinson specifically makes comparison word apokteiuo means kill literal meaning word apacgw means throttle strangle implicitly denotes change life state life death word apacgw hang specifically denotes death robinson specific state means hang oneself life hanging notes apacgw homers odessy denote context presents apacgw explicitly suicide hanging perfectly good word strangling added denotation death insist bible written word precicely correct stuck complete meaning apacgw word apacgw death denoted result note decenso presents apacgw septuagint greek translation time jesus samuel ahithophel advice saddled donkey arose home house city household order hanged died buried father tomb notice stated ahithophel hanged sept apagcho explicitly adds died doubt result matthew explicitly told judas died note decenso septuagint translation hebrew greek shown original meaning hebrew hebrew died simply echoed greek pointed added died correct translation apacgw strangulation redundant correct evidence septuagint repeatedly rewritten reedited included versions contradicted editing necessarily executed greeks septuagint stands paragon ancient greek prove point decenso ancient greek committing apacgw surviving simply making worthless assertions evidence note decenso everytime research apparently contrived exegisis pretty find false text source explicit greek historical source justify rose statement trees potter field trees ledges rocky pavement bottom rose show trees thousand years year stumps thousand year description area mentions trees inappropriate assert present placement trees prove location trees thousand years things change argument money judas silvers question decenso money judas purchased land betrayal source point acts specifically mention reward iniquity acts specifically mentions iniquity talking acts judas guide arrested jesus point bible describes iniquity immediately discusses reward iniquity inane suggest action iniquity discussed notice verse word iniquity states judas guide arrested jesus writer stop numbered obtained part ministry part judas play ministry true peter author acts specifically call judas betrayal iniquity matter john specifically call judas actions iniquity john judas money thought judas money jesus telling feast give poor receiving morsel immediately night note judas left money explanation choose unproven iniquity mentioned author book written time iniquity explicitly mentioned author acts find forced contrived argument moot evidence apacgw means suicide judas hanging successful spent money mentioned john matthew mark explicitly betrayal high holy passover spent money killing money bought field blood pieces silver pieces silver night spent dear house cards comming point discuss jesus crucified friday saturday part argument judas prophesy potter field mention matthew study death remind discuss reminding discuss part verse discussing quit procrastinating sidestepping issues dave butler wise proportions belief evidence david hume philosopher inquiry human understanding note stating bible possibly inerrant stating inerrant admission presenting reconciliations rate highly bible possibly inerrant inerrant 
imaginary friends info experiences patb patrick brosnan organization europe southgate london nntp posting host bnsgs lines article kditto kimborly ditto writes concerniong thread drop dead fred movie tipify imaginary friend theme loved movie imaginary friend borught back great memories chance drop dead fred make blessings patrick brosnan mcsun patb northern telecomm oakleigh south london phone flash love hours save universe 
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christian extremist kills doctor organization representing views newsreader distribution lines regard adrienne regard writes article rose arose writes griffen save lives children destroy life superficial levels scum agree griffen scum scum guilt freedom choose griffen make scum made griffen made precious person person chose wrong gunn examine closely griffen preferred children born birth griffen assistance offer griffen intend support educate raise citizens intent whatsoever children birth real problem americans insensitive completely wrapped straight make slightest obvious moral decisions based reality abandons woman care child considered respectable decent fled responsibility behaved lazy coward turned responsibility wife child woman decides kill unborn child release burden thought abandons woman suffers child free grow live happy normal life woman abandons child diced killed saline vacuumed choice suffers badly wishes trade places child root problem selfishness arrogance feelings desires supreme worth dung substance hell made reason loving throw selfish people devil demons eternity unrepentant heaven ruin chance answer questions real good guess call benevolent move direction responsibility kill sight media backs completely real responsibility sell responsibility sells marketplace make feel responsible showing show true irresponsibility feel good people good people give freedom good rest world burn rape kill children throw parents places poor folks dead hate brother sister cheat wife husband screw government screws talk giving church church people bunch money grubbing hypocrites good person admit love greatest love world life brother sounds christian root substance hell made indulgant backslidden society longer responsible children parents families government root justification evil corruption government slanderous remark murder society continue live long destroy itsself biggest blessing world hope people evil turn situation deplore horrible crime child murder prevention punishment reach root evil practiced inmost souls revolt dreadful deed mater motive love ease desire save suffering unborn innocent woman guilty commits deed thrice guilty drove desperation impelled crime susan anthony revolution july 
scarlet horse babylon daemons organization university mexico albuquerque lines distribution world nntp posting host fingal keywords dead horse horse babylon article blowfish writes easy beast lives noticed dead horse keywords line famous scarlet horse babylon beast illuminatti rides wonderful mediaeval manuscripts fear announcement dead premature place race downs sunday slid dead comatose suppose ninja gourmet fight food peavler opinions exist peavler called albuquerque opinions 
language agreement reply skinner organization uiuc center supercomputing research development lines mitre james meritt writes meritt state explicitly inductive argument leads conclude tice thinks biblical quotes context articles explain rely inductive reasoning implicit uncertainty determining tice opinions questioning finally agree statement word agree phrase disagree identical meaning 
years christian morality oxymoronic organization cabletron systems lines nntp posting host saturn ctron andrew houghton andrew houghton writes waiting hear good response christian type christ word quoted paul reconciled current christian beliefs world population claim christian similarity beliefs lifestyle century model purely coincidental luke states returns find faith earth jack 
objective values scientific accuracy years christian morality reply tommy kelly organization laboratory foundations computer science edinburgh lines frank mail bounced fast moving scope group subscribed apologies regular folks article frank uucp frank dwyer writes science real world basis values round values science equate real world science recognition patterns perceptions universe making qualitative quantitative predictions perceptions values values experience objective values values proposer believes applicable thing objective science objectively kick head agree science predictions mentioned accurate effect perceptions time lapse input universe versus perceptions turn values loosest sense word perceptions simple theories accurate predictions objectively tarot cards usefulness science synonomous accuracy period tarot predictions accurate shown accurate science apparently accurate values objective point tommy 
food thought tyre organization intelligent systems program lines king john king writes prophesy implies people living area token rebuilt people live houses correct nets implies fishing village original position stature find roman times tyre vied sidon place intellectual life period tyre seat christian bishop eventually dioceses magnificent church kind phoenecia basilica built tyre tyre exports glassware wine white marble dyed cloth tyre seaports provided outlets south arabian indian chinese trade tyre accomodate growing population perpendicular horizontal line growth running land build tyre established colonies sounds small fishing village stretch imagination centuries abbasids tyre opulent flourishing bazaars buildings stories period tyre noted export sugar beads glassware crusades tyre flourishing city held franks tired writing read description modern lebanon major cities lebanon include tripoli sidon tyre baalbek zahlah emphasis source discusses impact lebanese civil israeli military actions trading ports tyre sidon notes israel withdrawel tyre appeared enjoy revival local economy tyre insignificant fishing village present called city major city show maps population figures cities lebanon tyre cities list list dozen cities long philip hitti lebanon history earliest times present martins federal research division library congress lebanon country study edited thomas collelo early tyre people stated figurers ranging assume correct modern standards talking horse town horse town sounds work horse tyre connected roads mainland cars days encyclopedia britannica references give figures thousand range atlas population tyre source give comparatively high figures sidon beirut doubt typo figures cities surrounding areas doubt population tyre fluctuated decades israeli military action hurt tyre alex fell times fall thinking egypt seleucids rome rome fell arab contingents captured crusades recaptured muslims subsequently pillaged french turks british today lebanon thought talking times tyre destroyed apply tyre cities area sidon make case tyre singled recovered thriving commerce tyrian purple roman times correct roman domination majority created wealth siphoned prophesy hold true good deal autonomy seleucids tyre receiv rights autonomy antiochus ephiphanes onward enjoy complete autonomy started large series coins occasionally gold descriptions tyre romans characterization abbasids allowed flourish stretching describe tyre small fishing village josh mcdowell christian apologist standards scholarship quote source quote nina jidejian tyre ages beirut mashreq publishers sentence fact defends fulfillment prophecy argument argument print jumped conclusion quoting josh find jidejian book listed books print descriptions odds read curious 
homosexuality fact fiction lines return path tony honestly good thing posting piece propaganda people feel justified blatant persecution oriented people film called agenda church found horrifying shown cleaver editting create image portray becaseu familia familiar widely actively distributed naive people believing garbage found truth fully speak calls themself knowing knowing testimonies witnessing thier faith life report posted biased report claimed gays truth innately harm causing speak abolitionist supports affirming rights society support wild misrepresentations perpetrated christian fundamentalist extremists people sexual deviants report paints mistake removed homosexuality list mental illnesses mistake christians homophobes long bring back list feel threatened gays understand article popular istries exodus international homosexuals anonymous founder support group chooses homo hetero robert pela oriented magazine advocate december david caligiuri received advocate homophobia rewaa awards prayer lust citation director free national ministry caligiuri singled offering discontented gays lesbians homosexual death style prayer give award back caligiuri laughs longer deserve caligiuri year involvement national movement peaked founding phoenix chapter homosexuals anonymous free abandoned pulpit movement fruitless effort based deception reality selling product product headed national ministries exodus international courage organizations movement rely tenents born christianity convince disatisfied homosexuals young coming shed sexuality suppressing sexual urges embracing christianity offer support people seeking leave homosexuality explains davies director exodus ventures seeking abandon homo sexuality involved ministry misguided wasting time lisa seeley redeemed lesbian worked caligiuri appeared sally jessy raphael show organizations people spiritually emotionally wounded change identity behavior educator brian mcnaught author impossible change orientation people longer calling continue erotic feelings caligiuri founded free ominous week hell broke loose personal life days lover ended romance business partnership caligiuri sexually assaulted picked drunk recalls home tied raped left tied night morning raped caligiuri eventually freed attacker returned home home shared lover caligiuri recalls thought time anymore caligiuri vowed find share discovery organized antigay contingent demonstrate phoenix pride parade june months free held public protest meeting promote civil rights ordinance free members loudly blasted gays telling ther sinners headed hell free began receiving hundred telephone calls week part deceptive listing local yellow pages listed lesbian alternative services caligiuri people thought information switchboard people call find local bars preach sins homo sexuality ruses typical movement caligiuri adding reach people david radio stupid things recalls peter kelly counselor phoenix catholic diocese aids program knew started wearing pastel colors caligiuri family found ministry raphael syndicated talk show relieved recalls figured person family reformed person caligiuri reformed time appeared sally show started call hotline thier latest pastor father horny time unable risk bars recognized numerous television appearances caligiuri bookstores blowjobs working bookstores sleeping reformed homosexuals realize leaders caligiuri conferences cities paired hotel rooms sleeping time appeared philadelphia television show caligiuri anonymous couple times week show host asked acted temptation answer caligiuri duplicity began toll suffering chrinic fatigue syndrome candidiasis dibilitating yeast infection escape sect sick church explains time spent people began feel began remember late caligiuri turned free phone lines local church closed ministry doors convinced world people today caligiuri studying alternative spiritualities interest belief systems judgemental romance christian searching project devote feel compelled commit eventually stop feeling guilty make damage brought community article caligiuri tory means unique read articles leaders founders ministries similar similar things fortuantely left christianity realize loves attitudes chris glaser director presbyterian lazarus project west hollywood presbyterian church working community bring sheepfold christ encouraging real ethical values sexuality sphere talked close friends attended groups love action claimed reformed honest live matter disappointed encouraged marry sealing heterosexuality eventually start hitting bars bathhouses bookstores activities concealment night night stands promiscuous behavior meant continuous committed relationship horrible trap church dumped backs oriented people inno cent victims cases wives children marriages church insists options people heterosexuality celebacy mrtifying cases suppress desires fear thier sanity mixed confusion church forces suicide surgical dampering brain functions past lobotomies heavey drug suppressants common place literature threat coercive christianity gays sylvia pennington gays great fact based books written people trapped confusion maury johnston gays grace chris glaser recommend people seeking persecution acceptance 
food thought tyre organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article king john king wrote prophesy implies people living area token rebuilt people live houses correct nets implies fishing village original position stature alexander destroyed tyre people move back construct houses people live call tyre considered rebuilt considered people fishing needed houses place stated figurers ranging assume correct modern standards talking horse town sigh born city home town people consult city inform fishing village city kristinestad founded century people lived norms bizarre dumb swedish queens founded cities coast finland paul thought worth mentioning small fishing place tyre acts keen fisherman wanted visit shores tyre cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
promise john organization starfleet headquarters francisco lines brian arizona brian ceccarelli writes brian kendig contorts light cleanses tainted blood innocent showing brian kendig dark fundamental basic testament concepts santification foreign interested understanding prefer blurting folly shame life flesh blood altar make atonement souls blood makes atonement soul testament business makes sense leviticus support physical injury repay moral wrongdoing sanctification taught sunday school catechism class theology classes accept understanding understanding bottom heart punishment innocent wrong repeatedly years accept means accept premise perfectly good ignorance show guess wait till tomorrow explain death jesus good thing glad hear convert warned heard common arguments convince brian kendig suis fait comme aucun bskendig ceux croire etre fait comme aucun ceux existent meaning life vaux mieux moins suis autre ends rousseau 
years christian morality organization netcom jose california lines frank uucp frank dwyer writes questions subjectivists relativists nihilists idea relativism objectivism degree relativism accurate decription truth objectivism power ability control events assuming moment morals relative relativists recognize lock absolute truth proceed negotiate workable compromise produces desired results assuming absolute morality disagreeing objectivists wrong room compromise beleive absolute morals accept amoral disagrees amoral choice peaceful compromise endless contention compromise fischer convictions dangerous enemies truth lies friedrich nietzsche 
gays follow lines return path apologize typos previous post retrospect quote source douglas haldeman book homosexuality therapy ineffective recently founders prominent ministry exodus international denounced conversion therapy procedures ineffective michael busse gary cooper cofounders exodus international lovers years involved organization program ineffective person healed stated program exacerbated prominent feelings guilt personal failure counselees driven suicidal thoughts result failed reparative therapy previous article quoted posting advocate june called robert pela personal thoughts great astonishment concerted effort major portion church control mandate change minority ranks momentum spanish inquisition required confession faith torture save souls dispatch heaven death bible vigorously defend slavery oppression segragation african americans justification lynchings today scholars slick approach tool coersion means brainwashing mind control convincing people sees maintaining cultic hold felt thier mind conditioning complete physically forced stay reparative therapy sheer social pressure found bondage hate abolitionist advocate abolishment oppression persecution gays facets civil life person judged contibution contribution society live high brow standard conformity imposed haven clue heart seek information gays groups accept contact nearest chapter pflag parents friends lesbians gays happy assist group people comprised gays lesbians bisexuals parents friends formed support group understanding talking parent daughter learn hand real life loving understanding love understanding people abundant 
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food thought tyre organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines curious check jose mercury news mentioned tyre outcome research condenced versions copyright jose mercury news bombings largest cities southern lebanon killed people wounded bomb blew tyre killing people wounding killed wounded explosion nabatiye israeli navy patrol boat attacked sank rubber guerrilla boat southern lebanon early today killing aboard army command communique dvora patrol boat opened fire motorized rubber dinghy north tyre identifying hostile army israeli boat injured affiliation slain guerrillas immediately rival factions guerrilla group terrorist mastermind nidal battled sunday tyre lebanon machine guns rocket propelled grenades killing people wounding police lebanon mainstream shiite muslim militia thursday uncovered network tunnels southern lebanese village iranian kidnappers held western hostages officials militia amal local journalists catacomb alleys showed cells iron doors village kawthariyet siyad tyre ancient port city miles south beirut officials marine william higgins detained shortly seized gunmen road tyre february counted articles years reporting found reason numbers inhabitants city defined tyre places people libanon flee extensive bombings constant flow refugees entering leaving tyre articles mentioned thousands people entering leaving place counted articles home town kristinestad place fishing village cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
treatise miracles muhammad part organization univ wisconsin madison electrical computer engineering distribution lines droplet part vast ocean miraculous translations arabic turkish writings bediuzzaman nursi risale noor part nineteenth letter jizat ahmediye risalesi treatise miracles muhammad peace blessings allah allah glorified glorifies allah praise allah compassionate merciful messenger guidance religion truth make supreme religion sufficient allah witness muhammad messenger allah firm unbelievers merciful bowing prostrating seeking allah grace pleasure mark face sing prostrafion similitude torah indgil nineteenth thirhy words mission muhammad prove prophethood decisive evidences assign verification subject words supplement show nineteen signs flashes great truth sign owner master universe knowledge disposes affair wisdom directs seeingly treats knowingly arranges wisdom purposes apparent creates surely speak speak surely speak consciousness thought speech speak thought surely speak humankind make awareness comprehensive conscious beings speak humankind surely speak perfect mankind worthy address highest morality qualified guide humanity speak muhammad friend alike testify highest character morality obeyed humanity spiritual rule half globe submitted radiance light illumined future mankind thirteen centuries believers luminous segment humanity renew oath allegiance times happiness peace pray call allah blessings bear admiration love hearts speak muhammad make messenger make guide rest humanity continued allah irfan islam 
question popular morality reply david ericsson distribution world organization camtec electronics ericsson leicester england lines nntp posting host bangkok article virginia virginia pete yadlowsky writes case driver evolve simply manifestation infant moral code learnt object driver acts manifestation driver detected purposes exist moral coding begins agree notion driver moral super moral mentioned earlier thread primal sense connection post natal umbilical awareness expressed partial fragmented accomodates forms return language customs culture halting pidgin english expression call morality compare driver urge jealousy urge object jealousy technically exist object apparent capacity jealous detectable description unbilical passes understand gist tentatively agree definitions side side trouble attempted define reason moral driver hinted essence moral definition hints animals capable similar morality simians similar social order easy anthropomorphize animals misunderstood suggestion holds true area work carried prevent moral deterioration society kind work asked question slight suspicion hoping contentious reply final question wondering subscribed school psycho social thought rehabilitation plan interested hear thoughts falls roughly line john stuart mill writings utilitarianism plan personal ethics social work opinion worth authority moral increased generations effective list morals changed society significantly authority element authority figures roles models eric berne transactional analysis work mavis klein references rise deterioration moral standards long term thoughts definitions thinking moral character list definitions order dynamic version moral nature interplay moral code authorities suitable analogy graphic equaliser hifi system moral nature frequencies chosen amplitudes moral character spectrum time conscience difficult define reasoning person actions context moral nature conscience time unbidden unwanted conscience manifest decision made time compromises moral nature conscience fits freud superego moral driver stimulous urges freud reasoning mentioned freud suppose moral driver part reason conscience cuts unbidden partially explained question stimulous activate moral driver time david religion fishes cried swam clearness 
years christian morality organization misc student carnegie mellon pittsburgh lines nntp posting host andrew reply tons mail move discussion religion feel life joke dylan happy life human game show host movie heathers lecture chur process notes professor notes student passing minds 
bhagavad gita organization kalki infoline aiken lines text bhogaisvarya prasaktanam tayapahrta cetasam vyavasayatmika buddhih samadhau vidhiyate bhoga material enjoyment aisvarya opulence prasaktanam attached taya things apahrta cetasam bewildered mind vyavasaya atmika fixed determination buddhih devotional service lord samadhau controlled mind vidhiyate place translation minds attached sense enjoyment material opulence bewildered things resolute determination devotional service supreme lord place purport samadhi means fixed mind vedic dictionary nirukti samyag adhiyate sminn atma tattva yathatmyam mind fixed understanding samadhi samadhi persons interested material sense enjoyment bewildered temporary things condemned process material energy bhagavad gita books bhaktivedanta swami forget chant hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare kalki infoline aiken south carolina system lakes trenton 
question popular morality reply david ericsson distribution world organization camtec electronics ericsson leicester england lines nntp posting host bangkok article carleton carleton james owens writes previous article david ericsson david bold rude hold wrong stick david posting intent explaining jung thought moral overlooked main line thought unknowable morality unknowable pretty understand jewish thinking jews covenant yhwh patriarchs abraham moses case establishes moral code follow mankind jews decide boundaries fall understand sadducees believed torah required pharisees ancestors modern judaism believed torah interpretation lead understanding required morality nuances talmud essence biblical morality interface yhwh christian necessarily yhwh relationship speculate thing mind supposed created image argument committed moral code part live image supposed live christ hard pressed argue kind trouble created image means heard number opinions conclusion upsets apple cart base life script shaky foundation metaphors unashamedly living christ jesus person recorded utterances narratives followers small references comtemporary historians revelation christ hand worse attempt debunk christianity initially point make bible interpret interpretation humanity guess faith relevation inherent subjectiveness metaphysically multiple moral codes absolute moral code theologically questionable absolute moral code undoubtably multiple moral codes multiple moral codes founded absolute moral code parent child swear child assume parent swears simply parent told child wrong parent swear trooper children wrongness child disobeys parent parent feel inappropriate swear front children happy swear front animals analogy hold water child type parent parent life gist incidentally young child considers directive absolute older piaget learns morality david religion fishes cried swam clearness 
years christian morality organization lines nntp posting host hernes article frank uucp frank dwyer writes article rice peter walker writes article frank uucp frank dwyer wrote objective morality morality built objective values objective values measure mediated thair interaction real world moralon scalar valuino field science real world basis values round thing objective science objectively kick head simple theories accurate predictions objectively tarot cards conclusions changing meaning values time backtrack word fair equivalent return goods service monetary material worth worth measured usefulness importance merit principle standard quality considered inherently worthwhile desirable precise meaning word assigned calculated numerical quantity relative duratation tone rest relative darkness lightness color distinctive quality speech speech sound context moral system definition terms scientific usage definitions apply note definitions thing mind science basis values reach science basis observable fact usages word denote observable fact standard measurement conclude science basis values statement fails fact concludes scientific measurements values based systems derived observation follow scientific context thing thing objective values back present moral system word values contexts relationship contexts argue objective values moral sense start demonstrating morality objective meaning word objective doubt happen back original question objective morality provide objective foundation morality good beginning frank dwyer hatching odwyer hens evelyn conlon eric 
invisible organization utexas mail news gateway lines nntp posting host utexas hand thou shalt backparts lord spake moses face face speaketh friend face face life preserved hath time john thou canst face live hath pick 
kind loving merciful forgiving nntp posting host mwunix mitre organization mitre corporation mclean lines article joslin pitt david joslin writes mitre james meritt writes context missed promises subjected explain wrong acknowledgement public hypocrisy criticize person taking quote context hypocrite post response person takes quote context assert misaimed telepathy work david josli waiting public acknowledgement telepathy precognition witch appology retraction wait whining pass time back read portions article conveniently deleted reply find answers nope realized telepathy responding threa threat produce mystified telepathy empathic telepathy capable determining emotional states telepathy preparing precognition substantiate message 
catholic robertson lines roman catholic conservatives coming open line robertson ultra wing christian coalition secretary education william bennet roman catholic stood christian coalition spokesman ralph reed march conference washington purpose conference publish results christian coalition poll designed prove republican party lose major support backed family values positons convention conservative catholics swung robertson organization political expertise legal assistance high tech communications support catholic campaign american designed catholic version moral majority founded marlene elwell wykes elwell robertson days freedom council worked presidential elwell hired domino pizza magnate monaghan manage legatus nonpolitical catholic businessmen group membership limited catholics head corporations million annual revenues relying network wealthy contacts legatus elwell wykes trouble forming funding catholic campaign campaign list national committee members includes robert dornan phyllis schlafly eagle forum lovely buchanan richard neuhaus national committee keith fournier catholic heads robertson american center justice catholic thomas patrick monaghan senior counsel robertson aclj active supporter catholic campaign board directors includes frank shakespeare broadcasting exec ambassador pope wall street executive frank lynch reagan official richard allen bishop rene gracida corpus christi mary ellen bork wife unsuccessful supreme court nominee robert bork winter issue campaign update organization quarterly newsletter rocco martino philadelphia business executive wrote separation church state false premise finally cast replaced true meaning constitution organization national ecclesisatical advisor catholic politician cardinal john connor york jack carroll 
years christian morality nntp posting host organization department computer science warwick university england lines article frank uucp frank dwyer writes recall entered fray matter response assertion simon clippingdale morality relative oops busy saved frank post back intending respond sort forgot interested sell people opinions causing opinions spread time honoured memetic virus mode world veritable paradise folks makes sense frank dwyer hatching odwyer hens evelyn conlon cheers simon simon clippingdale simon warwick department computer science university warwick coventry 
years christian morality organization lines nntp posting host kyle eitech article frank uucp frank dwyer writes article cwru keith ryan writes pushed back undefined meaning define objective values objective offered people collectively land america sound good deal depend wanted wanted eric rescorla code 
years christian morality organization lines nntp posting host hernes article uiuc student writes hmm define objective morality depends talk means hair ears means stryper acceptable general principles objective morality listed places commandments sayings jesus depends trust bible depends jesus accurate copies gong moment wrote defined objective morality qualified objective morality subjective justifications error disqualified play eric 
years christian morality organization lines nntp posting host kyle eitech article frank uucp frank dwyer writes article article frank uucp frank dwyer wrote objective morality morality built objective values pushed defintion objectivity realm objective values explain objective parts objective atoms quarks firstly science basis values round means means explain science basis values means reason people science results science basis values stops working stop valuing privacy explain objective atoms subjective values eric rescorla code 
years christian morality organization lines nntp posting host hernes article uiuc student writes definition objective absolute fixed subjective varying changing lets dictionary objective material object distinguished mental concept actual existance uninfluenced emotion personal prejudice based observable phenomenon eric 
kind loving merciful forgiving organization intelligent systems program lines mitre james meritt writes joslin pitt david joslin writes mitre james meritt writes context missed promises subjected explain wrong acknowledgement public hypocrisy criticize person taking quote context hypocrite post response person takes quote context assert misaimed telepathy work stephen quote context noted stephen replied article call quote context lack evidence constitute evidence lack common creationist error fact stephen reply justify conclusion stephen condoned taking quotes context asked stephen explain wrong acknowledge hypocrite choices give stephen assume condoned taking quotes context assumed logical sentence begins explain nonsequitur intended follow sentence preceded concluded believed implied stephen condoned taking quotes context imply incorrect implied stephen thought quotes context making error kind frequently made creationists called argument disagree explain argument sound admit assumption hasty agree mailed response pointed posted article arguments straw argument reminiscent frequent creationist ploy 
good jesus died organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article brian arizona brian ceccarelli wrote truth sort magic spell truth understand enjoy understanding curious statement understanding christian believers people understand christian doctrines enjoying state background heavy christian teaching lutheran church knowledgeable basic understandings christianity time proud things understand point time ignorance bliss cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
clarification personal position organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article dlecoint acns darius lecointe wrote repeat position worshipping sunday child attended services saturday sunday church pentecostal church street baptist church week worship christian prove christians meet sunday prove violation sabbath longer prove violation sunday sabbath commandment purpose online bible system time search famous cite jesus explicitly states break existing jewish laws words technically speaking christians saturday sunday holy conform teachings jesus cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
scientology organization portal system lines information scientology applientology frank zappa call time send info asics scientology appreciated inte rested propaganda liberty passing address local scientology office contacting days threw small contribution 
years christian morality organization university wisconsin madison computer sciences dept lines article halat bears halat writes atoms objective real scientists call atom mathematical model describes physical observable properties surroundings subjective halat deserves framing atoms real atoms electron microscopes atoms figments imaginations evidence atoms real overwhelming bother evidence moment mccullou wisc program drink beer time work 
rosicrucian order organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet tony alicea nntp posting host hela cwru kent competing rosicrucian orders existing today spin offs competing organizations century france germany write article spent time investigating organizations conceptual world view systems competing rosicrucian orders spent time spin offs opposite case study harder tony 
rick reply organization brigham young university lines robert weiss psyrobtw buffalo writes rick anderson replied letter article psyrobtw buffalo robert weiss briefly mentioned passing refer differing interpretations create christians agree irrelevant base faith people bottom line truth popularity opinions irrelevant personal beliefs bias relevant bottom line truth independant proclaim truths proclaimed appointee authority bible bible interprets scripture doctrine conforms liking disapproval excuse line truths moved persuade beliefs erroneous preachers truth struck righteous member wrecking crew positive message saints whatsoever entire discussion reminds things jesus pharisees hypocrite preach lips hearts removed find strange persuade created eternally existent equivalent granted mormon belief grant conclusion expect point addressed order reply issue address answer point raised jump conclusion grant sophistry talking jumping conclusions address convictions biblical scriptures supports points view reject interpretations consideration whatsoever bible states lucifer created bible states jesus creator contradiction belief jesus lucifer beautiful disinformation deliberate misrepresentation doctrine loved employ jesus lucifer silly mormon belief children literally symbolic contradicts bible bible teaches child correction contradict bible bible teach children sense belong follow footsteps satan followers rebelled children followers redeemed created chose separate chose follow plan salvation field world good seed children kingdom tares children wicked matthew illustrates nicely children kingdom remained valiant testimony jesus shown works repentance children wicked rebelled lamb issue satan spirit offspring addressed verses copied bible purposefully obscured subject swamping related scriptures lots nice scriptures deleted robert copyrighted told life eternal thee true jesus christ thou hast john life eternal true doctrines mentioned portray vastly jesus jesus reconciled jesus bible removed proclaim correction jesus jesus reconciled jesus bible interpretation concur honestly care true denies true bible eternal life dependent knowing true construct imagination single posting constructs imagination mails combined read news group facts straight dare preaching true interpret likes dislikes image reconcile guess grandiose image faiths believing divinity jesus christ fashion matters mission progress church boldly nobly opponent stop work progressing visited continent swept clime sounded herring address issue raised seeks obfuscate fact groups read bible change bible teaches sigh bible teaches bible teaches robert weiss respect reject remotest feeling rejected jesus contrary respect interpretations bible grant christian image christian image heart replies scotched issue bruce mcconkie views official doctrine matters mcconkie views canon issue mcconkie writings indicative mormon belief subject real issue indication rick issue love represent ridicule church issue official doctrine important mcconkie views controversial deadly heresies made heretic erroneous worst blacks receive priesthood dispensation respect made valuable contribution church personally rely personal interpretations book mormon doctrine oftentimes referred mcconkie bible mormon circles mormon doctrine official doctrinal sources hugh nibley books comment insider reference summarizing mcconkie wise contributed undoubtedly kingdom views means dogma accepted doctrine belongs personal interpretation speculation find mcconkie biased speculative moments thought provoking trash coming proverbial appalled allowed sink posting robert weiss psyrobtw buffalo casper knies isscck bitnet brigham young university isscck computer facilities 
years christian morality organization microsoft corporation lines article duffy joseph duffy writes falsify origin theory forever existing universe abiogenesis strictly falsifiable theory proven false examine predicitions theory makes observe observe things theory predicts happen evidence theory theory modified incorporate observations false people earth created years evidence showed predictions theory true abandoned russ paul jones russpj 
years christian morality oxymoronic organization mantis consultants cambridge lines newsreader rusnews forgach suzanne forgach writes article livesey livesey western ethic infanticide children dying world majority world western superficially good answer simple awful starvation poverty world directly caused economic policies western countries diet typical westerner instance world countries terrible malnutrition problems export soya produce cattle make tender juicy steaks burgers money interest crippling bank loans encouraged fund raising ethiopia bizarre idea stop bleeding penny accurate western ethic western infanticide evidence suggests long children dying world give shit supposed life movement save lives fighting world debt fighting abortion hell interested fetuses save fighting human rights china suzanne answer implies western countries lack ethic infanticide china policy mandatory forced abortion tibet case mathew 
years christian morality organization mantis consultants cambridge lines newsreader rusnews frank uucp frank dwyer writes article livesey livesey writes objective morality children person playing objective morality exist show game play objective medicine objective physics objective reality precisely objective medicine people marvellous results alternative therapy respond traditional medicine objective physics einstein bohr told objective reality sufficient prove wonders people questions understand term objective fiction abstract ideal strive ideal light inextensible string exist talk things wrong mathew 
years christian morality organization mantis consultants cambridge lines newsreader rusnews frank uucp frank dwyer writes christian theist objective morality preference relativist soup gobbledegook approaches objective morality assuming secret wrong relativism correct misconceptions mathew 
years christian morality organization mantis consultants cambridge lines newsreader rusnews frank uucp frank dwyer writes christian suspect flavours christianity hold objective morality exists interpretation scripture revelation goodly glimpse disagree truth falsehood generally claim interpretation scripture revelation objective morality conflicting versions objective morality tells fake objective morality exists logical step deduce religion objective morality fake caveat emptor mathew atheism anti virus software mind 
years christian morality organization case western reserve university lines nntp posting host student cwru article sbradley intel seth bradley writes ifone simply falsifiable admits cheat hillary john laws local reprehensitive extolling traditional family values 
rick reply organization brigham young university lines robert weiss psyrobtw buffalo writes rick anderson replied letter article psyrobtw buffalo robert weiss briefly mentioned passing refer differing interpretations create christians agree irrelevant base faith people bottom line truth popularity opinions irrelevant personal beliefs bias relevant bottom line truth independant proclaim truths proclaimed appointee authority bible bible interprets scripture doctrine conforms liking disapproval excuse line truths moved persuade beliefs erroneous preachers truth struck righteous member wrecking crew positive message saint entire discussion reminds things jesus pharisees hypocrite preach lips hearts removed find strange persuade created eternally existent equivalent granted mormon belief grant conclusion expect point addressed order reply issue address answer point raised jump conclusion grant sophistry talking jumping conclusions address convictions biblical scriptures supports points view reject interpretations consideration whatsoever bible states lucifer created bible states jesus creator contradiction belief jesus lucifer beautiful disinformation deliberate misrepresentation doctrine loved employ jesus lucifer silly mormon belief children literally symbolic contradicts bible bible teaches child correction contradict bible bible teach children sense belong follow footsteps satan followers rebelled children followers redeemed created chose separate chose follow plan salvation field world good seed children kingdom tares children wicked matthew illustrates nicely children kingdom remained valiant testimony jesus shown works repentance children wicked rebelled lamb issue satan spirit origin addressed verses copied bible purposefully obscured subject swamping related scriptures lots nice scriptures deleted robert copyrighted told life eternal thee true jesus christ thou hast john life eternal true doctrines mentioned portray vastly jesus jesus reconciled jesus bible removed proclaim correction jesus jesus reconciled jesus bible interpretation concur honestly care true denies true bible eternal life dependent knowing true construct imagination single posting constructs imagination mails combined read news group facts straight dare preaching true interpret likes dislikes image reconcile guess grandiose image faiths believing divinity jesus christ fashion matters mission progress church boldly nobly opponent stop work progressing visited continent swept clime sounded herring address issue raised seeks obfuscate fact groups read bible change bible teaches sigh bible teaches bible teaches robert weiss respect reject remotest feeling rejected jesus contrary respect interpretations bible grant christian image christian image heart replies scotched issue bruce mcconkie views official doctrine matters mcconkie views canon issue mcconkie writings indicative mormon belief subject real issue indication rick issue love represent ridicule church issue official doctrine important mcconkie views controversial deadly heresies made heretic erroneous worst blacks receive priesthood dispensation respect made valuable contribution church personally rely personal interpretations book mormon doctrine oftentimes referred mcconkie bible mormon circles mormon doctrine official doctrinal sources hugh nibley books comment insider reference summarizing mcconkie wise contributed undoubtedly kingdom views means dogma accepted doctrine belongs personal interpretation speculation find mcconkie biased speculative moments thought provoking trash coming proverbial appalled allowed sink posting robert weiss psyrobtw buffalo casper knies isscck bitnet brigham young university isscck computer facilities 
kind loving organization duck pond public unix guest lines article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes article mlee royalroads malcolm wrote brings question ponder anti semitism people hate jews hate jews sinners care ethnical rights wrongs evident christians jews longer sole selected group people jews case christian anti semitism obvious fact jews hebrew scriptures convert christianity mass rejecting christian love caused anti semitism christianity separation anti semitism started rest tribal people happened tribes americas culture undesirable west failed melting concept tribes hunted extinction hebrew tribe survivers neolithic difficult times separate christianity western experience world cultural experiment christianity happened 
flaming nazis disclaimer public access unix system university denver denver community university control responsibility opinions users organization public access unix denver math dept lines article deane brandeis writes bite leave heck article gsmith heidelberg gene smith writes article popec pope charles writes rhoemer responsible uniforms props early nazis rallies roehm rhoemer hitler claim swastika business credit actual flag design party member dentist credit mein kampf killed early nazi purge associates flaming homosexuals flamboyant orgies find actual evidence common assertion recently postings groups history culture german uncovered experts provide expert histories nazi germany assert make reference scandals occurred long night long knives impression homosexuality portions common knowledge book homosexual author escapes moment called homosexuals history asserts roehm heines homosexuals roehm circle rest deleted find night brown shirts kcochran tsakc thoughts posts ideas responsibility beer pizza 
christians clarification personal position organization duck pond public unix guest lines article dlecoint acns darius lecointe writes good stuff deleted worship week issue christians fault church sunday church saturday attending church service recognized holiness apologies paul hudson question authority proclaim requirements fourth commandment longer relevant modern christians note commandment command church holy lord refraining serves give pleasure satisfaction hear christian answer question paraphrase authority christians proclaim prophets major minor accountable commandments jesus spoke opinion matthew source pseudo doctrine pseudo teacher great deceiver 
real probability abiogenesis albert sabin organization internetnews tuebingen lines nntp posting host studserv tuebingen king john king writes adpeters indiana andy peters writes talking proteins fact talking proteins goint upset claims proteins appeared novo proteins form randomly repond andy clarify state proteins form randomly point andy familiarized current theories hypotheses abiogenesis posting aware fact claims proteins assembled randomly amino acids current thinking based replicators proteinaceous enzymes proteins assembled kind primitive translation machinery respond cornelius cornelius krasel department physiological chemistry tuebingen email krasel tuebingen people making dawkins anonymous 
invisible organization duck pond public unix guest lines article pmoloney paul moloney writes jmeritt mitre meritt system admin writes hand thou shalt backparts mooner lunacy christianity thing john belushi animal house supernatural personal relationship jhvh quick 
ignorance bliss good jesus died organization duck pond public unix guest lines article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes ignorance bliss ignorance strength spread truth ignorance 
christians clarification personal position organization duck pond public unix guest lines article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes online bible system time search famous cite jesus explicitly states break existing jewish laws words technically speaking christians saturday sunday holy conform teachings jesus christians conform teachings jesus light world city hidden lying mountaintop people light candle cover basket tall candlestick shine house light shine front world people good deeds give credit father skies dissolve torah books prophets major minor dissolve fulfill assure till earth letter punctuation mark everthing pass dissolves smallest commandments teaches lowest kingdom skies commands teaches great kingdom skies matt gaus isbn 
press islam recieved organization iowa state university ames lines recently read article local paper written islamic person upset islam portrayed western media terrorist action takes place middle east played islamic terrorist serbian terrorist attacks croations christian terrorist terrorist explain close friends press islam tied violence times hear things human life wondering suggestions change image friends hype suggestions comments mail interested hearing press scott vann buddha 
spreading christianity christian extremist kills doctor nntp posting host hermes reply keegan organization lines nyikos scarolina peter nyikos writes addressed issues long lines post dean kaflowitz posts yesterday made title post thread dean kaflowitz terminally irony impaired appeared thread chaney post challenge reissued revised insecure people reading posts feel write posts announcing wrote posts bother accept phoney laughingstock 
rosicrucian order organization longinus software garden delights lines article freenet tony alicea writes competing rosicrucian orders spent time spin offs opposite case assume statement unequivocallystudy harder study smarter harder real total information fought delysid alamut alamutbbs 
swastika hitler pagan christian organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex observation tree life rotate clockwise northern hemisphere counterclockwise southern give consideration feebleness coriolis force compared phototropism vegetation explanation classic clockwise swastika wheel progresses historical happened clocks made imitation images moving heavens valid talk clock sunwise engineers listen uncertainty anti swastika counter sunwise represents evil twin opposite moonwheel anti represent evil humans strongly visually oriented settle diccon frankborn dickeney digex 
swastika hitler pagan christian organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex wwhite black colors imperial german flag back xvii prussian drinking songs celebrating white black colors fletcher pratt points blood iron diccon frankborn 
flaming nazis organization express access online communications greenbelt lines nntp posting host access digex trouble find truth roehm buddies accused flaming faggots pretexts night long knives roehm wing nsdap purged accusers controlled records bearing subject true considered tainted evidence data suggest roehm crowd sturmabteilung storm troopers left world place departed concrete particulars shrewd guesses diccon frankborn 
ancient order oriental templars organization portal system distribution world lines thou wilt honestly word restriction words encompass majestic vision thousands individuals quoting quoting order context words interpreted differently applied confines original expression case hymenaeus beta frater superior order belong included merlinus service showed extremes order members fervor knowledge reuss background surely unusual important force order years people change orders change back carefully dirty laundry remember surface skim perspectives encompassed extend individual hope show room difference opinion order testing limits examine issue closely karl kellner wealthy austrian industrialist paper chemist high grade mason founded ordo templi orientis kellner traveled widely east adepts instructed specific magical practices kellner efforts develop order assisted franz hartmann heinrich klein theodore reuss worked prior joining order proclaimed reuss masonic publication oriflamme kellner death reuss succeeded outer head jubilee edition oriflamme published announced order taught secret sexual magic theodore reuss interesting character born june augsburg entered masonry singer journalist possibly prussian political police infiltrating socialist league founded karl marx daughter husband reuss william wynn westcott leader golden dawn introduced john yarker yarker chartered reuss found rites memphis mizraim germany attempts concretize masonic rites reuss settled development order experienced steady growth reuss leadership chartered papus france rudolph steiner berlin spencer lewis historic meeting reuss crowley occurred crowley wrote reuss accused revealing order secrets crowley looked afresh initiated interpretation sexual magick unfolded time reuss appointed crowley supreme holy king english speaking world authorization invoked publishing material equinox reuss resigned outer head order suffering stroke named crowley successor book translated german break continuity order manyk members split book crowley actively promulgating order earlier revise dthe order rituals reuss request deeply infusing doctrines aeon revelation introduction history veritatem equinox edited hymenaeus beta frater superior summus sanctissimus caliph united states america published samuel weiser reasons frater superior included material equinox real point publish things history organization represent dogmatic threat principle thelema exercising true putting complex pictures easy answers picture leaves room interpretations easy derived dribble faltering masonry purchased clever hucksters ounce courage writing ability present caliph feeble support thelema laughable thrown order speaking frater perspective interjection illustration shows express things context larger work true significance difficult apprehend merlinus carefully support reuss words qualified assess critical pomposity member order stand allowed continue health order order soft abandoned moral principles strong ability universal kinship arise shackled dogmatic requirement resolve possibilities find high calibre individual ordo templi orientis intelligent versed arcane usual information artists geniuses longstanding members area heavily involved order vouch integrity organization stands questioned policy hymenaeus beta moments intuition found stop requesting initiation body happily participating social groups feasts initiations gnostic mass tastes make authority order politics explanations hypothesize relay understand based limited contact members urge words merlinus ways interpret words people involved order feel strongly sanctity personal freedom preservation individual vision comment issue writing response posts thread invoke stars love love frater nigris dclxvi ccxxii 
albert sabin rfox rich univ south dakota reply rfox organization university south dakota computer science dept nntp posting host charlie lines article bill rawlins writes article rfox rich univ south dakota writes article bill rawlins writes earlier dialogue deleted read stop advancing bible evidence relating questions science jesus exist wells great fallacy statement question origins based science nope fallacy science determining religions handle problem scientists exclude possibility supernatural question origins fair premise premise conclusion scientists part exlude possibility problem necessity scientists empircists theologians utterly reject hypothesis science highest form truth scientists long deep fundamental misunderstanding science walk water raise people dead claimed referred inviolability scriptures affect belief origin expand nope affect knowledge belief origins anatomically modern humans show change biblical story exact detail world father endow intellect reason proceed fool bible human creatures exist called human creatures apes humans fancifully reconstructed fragments absolutely utterly false amhs lucy australopithecus afarensis complete taking consideration bilateral symmetry lucy walked upright bipedally humans share remarkably similar dental pattern cranial morphology unlike humans modern apes hundreds specimens species partially reconstructed exist bill touch feel hold forget hominids earth universe cultural record test ancient reconstructions tricked bill doubt meet bill version absolutely correct worried salvation probaby make steal murder covet people reason intellect provided benevolent loving understand dilemma good deeds justify person sight atonement jesus needed atone fundamentalists billions beware people truth bill reconsider time science bible contradiction supercede scientific laws understands creation good power create order chaos long feeling bill veterans agree contradiciton beef properly point creator agree point bill point power scientists generally agree attempt understand posts title book mentioned substance book real laugher jesus existed volumes evidence back give interested laugher bill scholarly book happen disagree interested confirmation bible inferences therefrom prophecies apocrypha koran interested independent evidence josephus insertion roman documents pliny deal early christians independent evidence interested email post send info mail bill info replied days hope post appeared server today rich anthro usouthdakota 
kind loving news software vnews nntp posting host utarlg organization university texas arlington lines article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes stephen wrote sandvik apple kent sandvik quotes remember laws written time applied chosen people jesus changed living grace longer immediately punishable death repentance salvation lord jesus christ chosen people salvation gentile alike jews agree malcolm jews religious jews exception messianic atheists agnostics malcolm wanting malcolm response inter jection distinguishing religious jews excepted messianic obvious reasons specifically religious jews trace lineage back abraham blood orthodoxy faith agree orthodox jews understand direction issue remains unproven suspect atheists agnostics reason atheist reasonable conclude agree agnostics poll order atheists counted orthodox follow moses abraham david accepting word covenant adheres important promisimg reckon depends ongoing dialogue considerations understand premature assert agree stephen 
years christian morality oxymoronic keywords blessed aluminium siding salesman organization duck pond public unix guest lines article mathew mathew writes livesey livesey writes greatest salesman world jesus dobbs dobbs numero touch knock kills everyday close segundo subliminal infamous paul birthname saul evangeline famous result numerous trampoline tours eastern mediterranean jesus hand duped pawn fell pray holywood paradox sign hills afro asians jesus found earth pink death changed tall blond holywood kindest possums jesus gigs hendrix joplin morrison lennon marley tosh beat 
albert sabin rfox rich univ south dakota reply rfox organization university south dakota computer science dept nntp posting host charlie lines article bill rawlins writes highly biased account possibly internally inconsistent written mellenia dead language fanatic devotees creature question supported objective sources isnt accepted messiah creature supposed convince slightest current devotees brainwashed believing pile guano referred messiah assume referring testament detail complaints mail post century greek understood considered josephus jewish historian wrote jesus addition gospel accounts harmony bill time explain biblical scholars josephus reference early christian insert biblical scholar expert research chips fall excludes literalists defined biblical apologists find find trustworthy scholarly standards insert read number times passage glaringly context josephus superb writer problem work passage subject matter lies suddenly appears quickly disappears demonstrate scholarly community wrong josephus insert proof meaningless repeated josephus happened legitimate prove scholars speak weight evidence independent evidence required validate claim forthcoming belief based faith exceed rights pass faith fact gospels parallels glaring inconsistencies contradictions perfect canon perfect absolutely room debate suggest read gospel fictions randel helms unauthorized version robin herb huston kinship familial relationship share evolutionary ancestry fact inconsistencies gaps contradictions deny position hand gospels prove faith independent evidence discussed provided faith committed fundamental error logic attempted prove claim prove logic full circles reminds presbyterian general assembly assembly defined fundamentals fundamentalist orthodox protestant christianity jesus performed miracles jesus born virgin jesus bodily resurrected jesus crucifixion atoned human clincher bible inerrant word presbyterians construe inerrant broadly spritually inerrant fundamentalists literally true validate literally inerrant bible thing smoke mirrors wands hand waving faith bill truths works foist rich anthro usouthdakota 
ignorance bliss good jesus died organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article pharvey paul harvey wrote article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes ignorance bliss ignorance strength spread truth ignorance ignorance strength distribute piece information follow advice contradiction cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
years christian morality organization lines article eitech eric rescorla writes article frank uucp frank dwyer writes article eitech eric rescorla writes article frank uucp frank dwyer writes works privacy abstract function stops working important sense cares importance truth mathematics meaning information chip stops working important sense values science objective reality work vacuum truth blatant assertion important sense weasel words imagine accepts bytes perfect desing input made time values mathematics results acknowledges correctness meaningful sense chip work flibozity exist flibozity extremely complex configuration physical phenomena absolutely cares slightest exist eric back question chip works work achieving desired expected effect note intentionality subtly underlies definition definition expected desired deny conformance expectations sorts scientific values accuracy prediction reproducibility results phenomenologist husserl considered intentionality primary ontological stuff ontology built perceptions consciousness thoughts frank means intentionality values puts underlying human experience called objective experiences measurements natural world output chip kevin 
years christian morality organization lines article kcochran keith justified ancient cochran writes followups talk abortion article cobb uiuc mike cobb writes reading thread wrong bemoaning fact christianity code objective morality define objective morality state theory creationism searching irrelevant issue mire lifer slimy tactic kevin 
years christian morality organization lines nntp posting host solntze article frank uucp frank dwyer writes article livesey livesey writes moral force advocates force provisos minimum force start depends forced side force people necessity defence recognizing actions moral opinion actions moral immoral action effective caveats provisios note usage opinion admission lock morals truth morality lock admitting admitting morals situational admitting actions people situation determine judge moral significance actions employ degree force moral employ degree force previously employed degree force situation moral employing force people immoral period time time obliged immoral thing reasons preservation bear moral consequences worth claim agnostic ability label things immoral moral find attractive qualities religious mind 
years christian morality organization lines nntp posting host solntze article frank uucp frank dwyer writes article livesey livesey writes article frank uucp frank dwyer writes article cwru keith ryan writes pushed back undefined meaning define objective values objective offered people collectively land america sound good deal find ridiculous price rest supposed conclude objectively correct price exists price asked deal good complete sequitur coming derisory deal existence objective values accept deal offered turned appeal objective values becasue people people exhibit subjective values lead reject deal land america great 
press islam recieved organization community access unix internet project lines article buddha scott vann writes recently read article local paper written islamic person upset islam portrayed western media terrorist action takes place middle east played islamic terrorist serbian terrorist attacks croations christian terrorist terrorist explain close friends press islam tied violence times hear things human life wondering suggestions change image friends hype suggestions comments mail interested hearing press easily show pictures crime scenes perpetrated christian terrorists country convince talk victims christian terrorism brutal terrorism inspired christian propoganda recently commited campus simple religious extremists religions human life christian islamic fundamentalists advancing religion violates religion christians terrorists christian terrorist media islamic terrorist join pythagorean reform church repent evil irrational numbers bean eating ways accept heart call pythagorean reform church 
rosicrucian order organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet tony alicea nntp posting host hela cwru kent respect names wrong place jose ordo rosae crucis thing correct ancient mystical order rosae crucis abbreviated amorc rocicrusian order created heindel thing rosicrucian fellowship state pretend descend order fama fraternitatis addition splinter groups europe claim connection original group supposedly founded middle ages lectorium freemason groups rosicrucian separate groups ideologies groups common rosicrucian orders masonic study groups claims descendant original order compete time spent start part years kent amorc learn correct tony 
rosicrucian order organization tweek systems moraga lines alamut delysid writes article freenet tony competing rosicrucian orders spent time spin offs opposite case assume statement unequivocally amorc spin fact spin amorc interested hearing evidence support claim fair amount evidence floating late long crowley heard long amorc claim existed organization clear prehistory doubt organizational paperwork profit carbon dated lizard lizard internet addresses alizard tweekco preferred pacbell tweekco alizard bang path alizard backup public request 
rosicrucian order organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet tony alicea nntp posting host hela cwru previous article alamut delysid assume statement unequivocallyamorc spin absolutely lewis care charter reuss mind completely diferent crowley lewis persons fact spin amorc overstatement study harder study smarter harder 
rosicrucian order organization university illinois urbana lines subject competing orders point golden dawn outer order tradition order roseae rubeae aurae crucis ruby rose gold cross rough translation rosicrucian order derivative groups real rosicrucians admit rosicrucian enjoy journey anarthur queer peculiar wyrd closed minds jjobermark 
rosicrucian order organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet tony alicea nntp posting host hela cwru previous article uiuc davis howe subject competing orders point golden dawn outer order tradition order roseae rubeae aurae crucis wondering lectorium rosicrucianum warning point arguing legit golden dawn talking sake argument reflecting affiliation true rosicrucian order fraternitas rosae crucis quakertown penn takers fraternally tony 
treatise miracles muhammad part organization univ wisconsin madison electrical computer engineering distribution lines introduction muhammad covered treatise muhammad peace blessings allah prophet islam prophet revealed holy scripture allah praise arch angel gabriel seal prophets till judgement stated allah praise muhammad lived prophethoods claimed muhammad treason islam message allah muhammad seed ishmael messenger allah abraham messenger allah messenger previous holy scriptures foretold coming mentioned verse chapter verse rough translation muhammad father messenger allah seal prophets allah full knowledge things commentary verse document sealed complete addition holy prophet muhammad closed long line messengers allah teaching continuous prophet muhammad ages thinkers revivers prophets arbitrary matter decree full knowledge wisdom allah full knowledge things droplet part vast ocean miraculous translations arabic turkish writings bediuzzaman nursi risale noor part nineteenth letter jizat ahmediye risalesi treatise miracles muhammed continued droplet part sign noble messenger declared prophethood presented humanity decree glorious manifest miracles number scholars thousand occurrence miracles entirety fact declared prophet fact shown words obstinate unbelievers quoted places wise deny occurrence miracles called hasha kella allah forbids sorcery order satisfy deceive followers miracles muhammad certainty confirmation consensus ulema scholars islam hundreth degree miracle conformation creator universe declaration prophethood effect words spoken truth suppose assembly ruler observed true ruler appointed position time asked prove claim word uttered ruler sufficiently support ruler changed usual practice attitude request confirm claim soundly word allah noble messenger claimed envoy creator universe proof change unbroken order request prayer fingers makes fountain spigots moon gesture finger splits tree affirm bear witness moves food barely satisfies hundred shows hundreds similar miracles evidences veracity high proofs prophethood restricted miracles deeds acts words behavior moral conduct manners character appearance prove attentive truthfulness seriousness people abdullah salam famous scholar children israel belief hide face fraud found researchers concluded proofs prophethood muhammad miracles number thousand thousands hundreds thousands proofs prophethood hundreds thousands truth seeking muhakkikiin varying opinions affirmed prophethood equal number ways wise demonstrates thousands proofs prophethood addition forty aspects miraculousness prophethood phenomenon humanity hundreds thousands individuals claimed prophethood performed miracles lived passed prophethood muhammad certanity superior prophethood evidences qualities attributes means prophethood messengership messengers jesus moses owned perfect comprehensive fashion muhammad means prophetic authority exist perfectly person muhammad authority found certanity prophets continued allah irfan alan servant islam 
years christian morality organization california institute technology pasadena lines nntp posting host lloyd caltech kevin kevin darcy writes article kcochran keith justified ancient cochran writes followups talk abortion article cobb uiuc mike cobb writes reading thread wrong bemoaning fact christianity code objective morality define objective morality state theory creationism searching irrelevant issue mire lifer slimy tactic kevin crosspost talk origins expect michael agney paranoid magney caltech 
albert sabin lippard ccit arizona james lippard distribution world local organization university arizona nntp posting host skyblu ccit arizona news software vnews lines article rfox writes article bill rawlins writes highly biased account possibly internally inconsistent written mellenia dead language fanatic devotees creature question supported objective sources isnt accepted messiah creature supposed convince slightest current devotees brainwashed believing pile guano referred messiah assume referring testament detail complaints mail post century greek understood considered josephus jewish historian wrote jesus addition gospel accounts harmony bill time explain biblical scholars josephus reference early christian insert biblical scholar expert research chips fall excludes literalists defined biblical apologists find find trustworthy scholarly standards insert read number times passage glaringly context josephus superb writer problem work passage subject matter lies suddenly appears quickly disappears weak argument fact references jesus antiquities jews unquestionably altered christians origen wrote century josephus recognize jesus messiah long passage opposite arabic manuscript antiquities jews version passage gung jesus authentic question origen century reference jesus josephus manuscripts antiquities lack references fabricated cloth inserted consensus scholarly community case wells takes position takes small minority view jesus existed professor german biblical history testament directly relevant historicity jesus lippard lippard arizona dept philosophy lippard bitnet university arizona tucson 
rosicrucian order organization university illinois urbana lines freenet tony alicea writes previous article uiuc davis howe subject competing orders point golden dawn outer order tradition order roseae rubeae aurae crucis wondering lectorium rosicrucianum warning point arguing legit golden dawn talking complete golden dawn system magic source regardie lying pulling original order rituals multiple modern groups part comment spin offs sake argument reflecting affiliation true rosicrucian order fraternitas rosae crucis quakertown penn member religious society friends membership urbana champaign friends meeting find amusingly ironic takers belong runs claiming true find disgusting enjoy journey anarthur queer peculiar wyrd closed minds jjobermark 
years christian morality organization university southern queensland lines judi stein objectively subjective writes question effective difference objective values exist disagreement values subjective means aspect reality objective values means values reference preference individual case future discovery invalidate views objective values house house toowoomba australia 
flaming nazis reply deane brandeis organization brandeis university lines article dickeney digex dick eney writes trouble find truth roehm buddies accused flaming faggots pretexts night long knives roehm wing nsdap purged stop hold problems official history accusations homosexuality nazi party long nazis power objection herring established history wrong point histories read made mention hitler homosexuality pretext purging roehm point reiterated hitler party covered accusations accuse official history fabrication facts pretext purging roehm planning coup hitler mention allegations homosexuality pretext purge justification histories read mentioned doubt hitler interest admit world hand homosexual missed references nazis making charges homosexuality night long knives prove false nazis truth advantage case deal accusations homosexuality accusers controlled records bearing subject true considered tainted evidence forgot posted conspiracy smell paranoia nazis officially charged roehm homosexuality read tainted evidence talking accusations made persons nazi party long power accusations common knowledge journalists germany nazis back time plant tainted evidence doctor newspapers circulated world discrepancies obvious actual incidences nazi doctoring evidence matter testimony people involved matters nazis point making false accusation homosexuality publicize point discredit established history burden proof falls revisionist revisionists homework making accusations simply conspiracy nuts data suggest roehm crowd sturmabteilung storm troopers left world place departed thing agree suspect notion people roehm buddies homosexuals disturb people feeling nasty individual accused homosexuality attempt bash homosexuals fear justified lies distrust official history good justification trashing accepted accounts subject historians incompetent write sources subject footnotes graduate student history writing professors tracking sources time limited specialty cast shred doubt existing evidence waste time debunk paranoia research concrete particulars shrewd guesses diccon frankborn evidence tainted earth constitute concrete particulars concrete particulars considered shrewd guesses suggest trust popular historians irving historians writing popular audience rule provide copious footnotes reading academic historians provide footnotes sources immense detail place start assuming truth folks pagan tired subject apologies tangent forget gods responsible keeping strings newsgroup subject boundaries david matthew deane deane brandeis eternal moods bleak wind gods speak softly days ezra pound 
clarification personal position jesus organization rutgers univ brunswick lines sandvik apple kent sandvik writes online bible system time search famous cite jesus explicitly states break existing jewish laws words technically speaking christians saturday sunday holy conform teachings jesus passage matthew abolish prophets abolish fulfil matthew till heaven earth pass iota pass accomplished matthew relaxes commandments teaches called kingdom heaven teaches called great kingdom heaven matthew righteousness exceeds scribes pharisees enter kingdom heaven problems regarded jews time binding jews gentiles rules binding human beings called noachic laws minimal issue church face jesus death gentiles wanted follow christ decision impose abolished simply acknowledged fact apply gentiles simple answer agree discussion issue terms recorded acts involved order full picture role grips paul apparent rejection relates jesus commendation read paul serves purpose sense superceded issue abolition middle discussion paul notes understood assures intends sees primarily present convict people sinfulness ultimately impossible standard superceded christ paul comments world clearest agrees reading interesting thing notice radical position entail abolition remains uncompromising standard iota removed purpose convicting important relaxed christians ultimately live faith theoretical categories jesus paul similar conclusion quoted passage context rest sermon mount jesus shows interprets iota suggest literal reading fact jesus approach jesus interpretations emphasize intent stay ceremonial details taking free attitude sabbath kosher laws scholars claim context cent jewish discussions jesus accuses opponents caring giving tenth minor herbs neglecting things matter justice mercy faith caring cups plates cleaned fact inside people full extortion rapacity discussion suggest jesus specific view mind talks maintaining full strength thinking aspects paul conclusion similar talks superceded specific examples involve ceremonial circumcision sabbath concerned maintaining moral standards result paul talks superceded jesus talks maintained talking aspects paul embroiled arguments circumcision natural letters responding specific situations aspect causing trouble specifically jewish ceremonies intend abolish divine standards conduct hand jesus commends talking broadest implications morals human relationships deemphasizing aspects give paul trouble unfortunate people terms ways familiar current conflicts terms family values special meaning current context imagine poor historian future figure family values code word opposition homosexuality specific period similar role arguments paul involved paul rejecting jewish values term people concerned family values movement opposed family values 
rosicrucian order organization friends loki society lines nntp posting host stein washington article freenet tony alicea writes previous article uiuc davis howe subject competing orders point golden dawn outer order tradition order roseae rubeae aurae crucis wondering lectorium rosicrucianum warning point arguing legit golden dawn talking golden dawn original years sake argument reflecting affiliation true rosicrucian order fraternitas rosae crucis quakertown penn takers rosicrucian admit deny wassail grendel grettisson 
merlin mithras magick organization home office vienna austria newsreader rusnews lines kosinski oracle kevin osinski writes recall reading michael rutherford sarum scene roman nobleman living britain takes part secret ceremony involving bull stands naked covered sort scaffolding assistants coax bull stand scaffolding fatally stab bull douses worshipper blood supposedly sort rite passage members bull cult related mithras cult traditional ideas mithraic cult elements borrowed catholicism mass communion sharing sacred meal consecration bread wine amusing idea check covenant flame david morrell interesting occult bits lots killing spoil revealing ending relevant mithraism paul paul gillingwater home office vienna austria read news newsrc editor 
part part homosexuality lines return path tony read post typical christian anti sentimental literature people tinue persecuted long propaganda petpetuates unaware statistica findings african americans published groups enforce bias african americans instances groups vast majority public scoff findings documents today case fortunately african americans whites supported public sentiment eventually turned civil anti negro sentiment increased fact laws place protect inalienable rights blacks pretty legal discriminate gays turn back free form discrimination deceived perogative church christian church disciples christ openly affirms rights oppressed people segments society including gays gospel message preaching creation making disciples lord great commandment love beleive standing oppressed popular church reason find church valley stands gospel believes commandment love hard pressed find love champion oppressed community lost face greater christian community unpopularity beliefs abolitionists oppression african americans killed treated runaway slaves nigger lovers guess decided challenge worth talks women heard tragic story tragic story centering failed marriages wives husbands straight hurt process funny thing case parents wives children continued reject family member daughter husband father began part form support group pflag apalled legislation passed colorado equally raged slimey people louis sheldon tradition values coalition actively working christian underground garner support states coming november oppressive legisation gays middle ages proclaimed massacred thousands witch hunts inquisitions message loud clear proponents rights gays general strong dislike hatred gays call change results major flaw posturing final effect posts hudson conditional love gays condition change love strange coming group claim unconditional love calls people things naturally change habits alcoholism wife beating changed sort therapy things left handedness amount beating people result outward conforminty people expectations process coerced conformity people great deal harm caused people gain puffed sense pseuper spirituality change unpopular justice equality basis personal sexuality taboo subject today firmly rights individuals free impose regulation thier bedrooms funny straight people successfully removed restrictive oppressive legislation invasive legislation maintain chestnut repression helps maintain sense superiority segment society people criminals interesting thing happened recently prominent charismatic church silicon valley pastors arrested admitted charges pederasty boys apparently time couple years charges voluntary church worked closely police imagine managed downplay media thing happen church ministry friends recently told approached reparitive therapy convinced request dinner invitation attend ministry difficult times live providing hostile environments creating perpetuating atmosphere breed hate violence call christian community results passing amendment colorado created organization posters appearing colorado called forget definition hand part immoral gross homosexual trash motto working free america implicit advocation violence sick hudson embracing christians loong tradition coersion oppression feel measure constant beratement organizations christian research institute good purpose major work finding ways excluding people gospel negative seeks ways include people martin books find helpful cults cult stick positive find ways bring people jesus istead taking bullwhips driving rich 
christian daemons biblical demons stigaard moorhead msus reply stigaard moorhead msus organization moorhead state university moorhead nntp posting host lines neighbor beast street beast neighbors beast people clear neighbor beast street fact neighbor beast sheesh beast apartment hall beast neighbor rest floor justin figure discordia discordant paul stigaard lokean discordian libertarian internet stigaard moorhead msus fnord episkopos chair moorhead state university campus discordians rectal neufotomist large left quote meant 
kind loving organization lines article jmeritt mitre writes leviticus daughter priest profane playing whore profaneth father burnt fire deuteronomy tokens virginity found damsel bring damsel door father house city stone stones deuteronomy found lying woman married husband deuteronomy damsel virgin betrothed husband find city bring gate city stone stones deuteronomy find betrothed damsel field force killing necesarry kind loving righteous punished jesus sins jesus died forgiving kind loving people left 
part part homosexuality organization colorado springs center lines nntp posting host fajita rich bellacera amdahl writes results passing amendment colorado created organization posters appearing colorado called forget definition hand part immoral gross homosexual trash motto working free america implicit advocation violence live colorado heard group claims posters appearing colorado overdone sick hudson embracing homosexuality working free america homosexual babysitting kids doesnt endorse immoral gross homosexual trash christians loong tradition coersion oppression feel measure homosexual advocates telling teach kids homosexuality natural perfectly acceptable alternative lifestyle gospel negative seeks ways include people absolutely message feels good question start post wrote gays turn back free form discrimination lost face greater christian community unpopularity beliefs abolitionists oppression african americans killed treated runaway slaves nigger lovers guess decided challenge worth sounds real nice struck presenting straight xian sticking neck taking challenge speaking support gays church impression fine presenting sticking neck repressed untruthful circumstances walter 
promise john organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host stein washington article pharvey paul harvey writes article bskendig brian kendig writes psyrobtw buffalo robert weiss writes walk light light fellowship blood jesus christ cleanseth light cleanses tainted blood innocent human blood sacrifice martyrdom innocent virgin nailed wooden pole obsession male menstruation christian washed blood lamb mithraist washed blood bull netland process devising religion lamb bull reserved choose animal preferably endangered species list 
christian owned organization list organization utah state university lines article shopper writes find list christian owned corporations companies wordperfect owners wordperfect mormons tony rose robert weiss standards mormons christians internet slhw jason hunsaker logan utah 
walter lines return path walter times past communicate susan honestly letters thought thoughtful compassionate call naive give group lord advised unwelcome city brush dust feet cares topic write direct bless group 
kind loving merciful forgiving nntp posting host mwunix mitre organization mitre corporation mclean lines article joslin pitt david joslin writes mitre james meritt writes joslin pitt david joslin writes mitre james meritt writes context missed promises subjected explain wrong acknowledgement public hypocrisy criticize person taking quote context hypocrite post response person takes quote context assert misaimed telepathy work stephen quote context noted stephen replied article call quote context lack evidence constitute evidence lack common creationist error fact stephen reply justify conclusion stephen condoned taking quotes context excellent conditions conclusion made direct assertion part instance assume position eating shit position conclusion made observing assumed logical sentence begins explain nonsequitur intended follow sentence preceded called argument disagree explain argument sound admit assumption hasty agree chance heard inductive logic demonstrating familiarly insufficiently logical 
kind loving organization royal roads military college victoria lines article jmeritt mitre writes leviticus daughter priest profane playing whore profaneth father burnt fire deuteronomy tokens virginity found damsel bring damsel door father house city stone stones deuteronomy found lying woman married husband deuteronomy damsel virgin betrothed husband find city bring gate city stone stones deuteronomy find betrothed damsel field force laws written israelites chosen people expressly rest world israelites direct witness existence disobey knowing real outright denial immediately punishable remember laws written time applied chosen people jesus changed living grace longer immediately punishable death repentance salvation lord jesus christ chosen people salvation gentile alike malcolm 
promise john organization lunar planetary laboratory tucson lines brian kendig writes life flesh blood altar make atonement souls blood makes atonement soul testament business makes sense leviticus support physical injury repay moral wrongdoing brian guess missed point scale cold degrees kelvin sanctification taught sunday school catechism class theology classes accept understanding understanding understand bottom heart punishment innocent wrong agree jesus punishment jesus regard death punishment repeatedly years accept good understand explain death jesus good thing glad hear convert warned heard common arguments convince jesus john mystery persuasive argument read jesus reply question jesus reasons john obvious reason jesus died punishment rise life stop doubting john fact jesus rose dead hope rise dead obvious point overlook obvious point hope faith vanity jesus suffer death jesus jesus john mystery world hates reason direct proclamation humans botch things saviour brian accept world accept sees john animosity lack knowledge twistings robert daily verses convincing testimony truth john pray hope blurt animosity lack knowledge perfect jesus revealed bumbling blindly arrogantly slandering person created loves 
promise john organization lunar planetary laboratory tucson lines article bskendig brian kendig writes explain death jesus good thing glad hear convert warned heard common arguments convince warned convert holy spirit frankly make lousy testify conversion loop decide follow jesus estatic glory brian ceccarelli brian arizona 
kind loving merciful forgiving organization intelligent systems program lines mitre james meritt writes fact stephen reply justify conclusion stephen condoned taking quotes context excellent conditions conclusion made direct assertion part replace stephen david joslin directed accusation hypocrisy mail wrote robert weiss writes promise psalm hypocritical busy arguing context extracted translations recall mailed mail messages quoting articles robert weiss minutes added naturally await arguments context translation await holding breath sleep disputing context extracted translations similar comments explain thought reason read articles pulled write responses chance heard inductive logic demonstrating familiarly insufficiently logical familiar inductive logic ahead give details logic conclude incorrectly condone robert weiss taking verses context conclusion wrong agree robert weiss guity taking verses context hypocritical reached false conclusion made mistake logic question hypocritical post reply robert weiss articles make common creationist error confusing lack evidence evidence lack grasp inductive logic firm figure mistake learn 
judas crucifixion tyre organization university washington seattle lines nntp posting host stein washington article frank decenso writes prioritize things life board important personal relationship wife lord wife ministry church mention informed wife prioritization board wait organize life dropping sieferman coerced back time thou hast vain coerce ridicule coerce responsibility actions deletia history frank efforts good luck 
biblical contradictions archer nntp posting host bass pace medtronic organization medtronic newsreader version lines jenny anderson jennya wrote medtronic dale skiba missed point previous posting wrote firmly western coast baby double standards neglected give primary sources book encyclopedia bible expect source unbiased sources butler give source reply joke readers digest encyclopedia bible outrageously bogus authority dredge shelves point encyclopedia original scholarly sources mistake procedure glad note butler decesno arguing substance arguing guess joke bogus stuff posted assumed necessarily dale skiba 
bible contradictions archer nntp posting host bass pace medtronic organization medtronic newsreader version lines jenny anderson jennya wrote medtronic dale skiba missed point previous posting wrote comment shortly post realized things running fever directly reading slack posting august newsgroup hominen point archer willingly prints blatant lies defense bible inerrancy worthless expert witness game give listing blatant lies encyclopedia biblical difficulties archer writings interesting short list generated archer inerancy mindset impartial made doozy mistake imho mindset generate sorts mistakes hand long list generated archer intentionally deception books deceptive tyre archer sitting rubbing hands plotting deceive lets list open question assumed archer chronic liar whould documented assumption based talk origins regulars documented numerous cases creationist deceptions duane guish friends long list archer mistakes isolated incident dale skiba 
rise organization university oulu finland newsreader version lines correct previous posting objective recognise gospels independent sources contrary share material careful gospels events wordings textual analyses show matthew luke common source influenced mark petri petri pihko mathematics truth pihatie finou oulu physics rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistry game 
catholic crit organization maintech division volt delta resources orange lines article dzkriz berkeley dennis kriz writes religious opinions quotations bible catholic theologians papal bulls introduced smiley funny notable exception subject headers dick instrument redemption posting vehicle religious text literary moral analysis surprised saddened expect kind behavior evangelical born gospel thumping face true christian protestants thought catholics behaved friend dennis urge follow fellow catholics count dozens friends practice faith good decent living respect common humanity stoop level protestants witness strident intrusive loud insulting overbearingly righteous imagery song solomon dated middle east date palms mind apparently acceptable steaminess level accepted part canon fact derive erotica incompatible catholic doctrine thing catholic erotica necessarily love story people faith love story exploitative seek redemption penis size pays proper respect dignity partner erotic place submit darknites series stories qualify journal entries rings guess pornography increase erotica agree enormous dick shot face stories crap count noise makes signal noise ration lower people posters write decent prose write stories overwhelming commentary subject comments additions observations sincerely dennis dzkriz berkeley jeff foster maintech 
promise john organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article brian arizona brian ceccarelli wrote jesus reasons john obvious reason jesus died punishment rise life stop doubting john fact jesus rose dead hope rise dead obvious point overlook obvious point hope faith vanity glad hear note osiris mithras cult gods resurrected good chance virtual reality simulator live forever hurrah joke sort connected osiris virtual reality personality database time write book cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
promise john organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article christian washed blood lamb mithraist washed blood bull netland process devising religion lamb bull reserved choose animal preferably endangered species list hard task cultures animals blood sacrifices related current post modernism state computers cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
kind loving organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article mlee royalroads malcolm wrote laws written israelites chosen people expressly rest world israelites direct witness existence disobey knowing real outright denial immediately punishable remember laws written time applied chosen people jesus changed living grace longer immediately punishable death repentance salvation lord jesus christ chosen people salvation gentile alike jews agree malcolm cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
comments koresh transcript news software vnews nntp posting host utarlg organization university texas arlington lines article iank kennedy writes stephen wrote correction prior post proper citation isaiah light moon light light sevenfold light days lord bindeth breach people healeth stroke wound wait nova lines hebrews reckon refuse speaks escaped refused spake earth escape turn speaks heaven voice shook earth promised shake earth heaven word signifies removing things shaken things made things shaken remain wherefore receiving kingdom moved grace serve acceptably reverence godly fear consuming fire thessalonians troubled rest lord jesus revealed heaven mighty angels flaming fire taking vengeance obey gospel lord jesus christ punished everlasting destruction presence lord glory power glorified saints admired testimony believed kinda flaming meaning reckon impression talking livingston coming lord power wise unprepared handle kinda overloading fuse guilt apply entire physical world suggests koresh reminder purified salvation protected seals survive good idea shielded seals involves relates salvation involves marriage bridegroom bride biblical versed personally totally dependent christ understand good good save dispose great born spirit means part body christ ephesians matters important loving nova nuke apocalypse cares satan able pull pretty convincing fake deal worth fearing worrying greater glory koresh interesting message prophecy tour bible studying passages points text warding test prophecy fruit bears clear important charity definition love hope dear reader expression faith statement mere fact folks real upset reminders stephen 
promise john reply starowl organization southeast alabama society warm fuzzy star worshippers lines nntp posting host bolero newsreader version eric sieferman observed christian washed blood lamb mithraist washed blood bull netland process devising religion lamb bull reserved choose animal preferably endangered species list washed blood barney dinosaur michael adams starowl rahul 
years christian nunnally harding john nunnally distribution world organization harding university searcy nntp posting host harding news reader news reply livesey message gmtlines lines livesey writes article frank uucp frank dwyer writes good question point world truth world falsehood world holding truth crack open bottle whiskey grim alternatives present alternative values involved life opinion confuse claim objective morality exists claim lock morals point easy confuse objective morality relative morality true christian people caused objective morality relative point original question thread toss christianity inconsistent principles bear attempt explain apparent inconsistency christian viewpoint exists creator mankind bible claims pretty defined concept makes people tick physically emotionally objective morality trouble understanding good detrimental creature created galatians mankind workmanship created christ jesus good works morality prepared defined design walk contrary people assume including pharasees bible morality completely codified list rules regulations extent activity person life creates situation morality applied volumes codify objective morality history mankind reduce morality list rules objectivity testament principles specific rules time jesus principles obscured emphasis rules volumes additional rules made codify application principles mankind comfortable subjectivity principles reference matthew jesus explains difference principles verses heard ancients told commit murder commits murder liable court angry brother liable court objective morality blurred inept interpretation christians made biggest errors allowed person group people decide intended christians stay committed seeking prove figured allowing find objective morality jesus fundamental question objective morality john nunnally 
federal hearing originator dmcgee organization school ocean earth science technology distribution lines fact rumor madalyn murray hare atheist eliminated bible reading prayer public schools years petition stop reading gospel airways america campaigning remove christmas programs songs public schools true mail federal communications commission street washington expressing opposition request reference petition number 
catholic robertson organization panix public access unix lines writes rocco martino philadelphia business executive wrote separation church state false premise finally cast replaced true meaning constitution blechh gimme time inquisition organization national ecclesisatical advisor catholic politician cardinal john connor york figures michael siemon truth love truth measure love thomas merton 
christian meta ethics organization panix public access unix lines turpin utexas russell turpin writes article michael siemon writes issue christian behavior sinful christian supposed statement possibility exists able persuade behavior question exhibit failure loving neighbor michael modern liberal reads fairly benign meaning word constructs religious beliefs understanding reading scripture context commandments love benignly understood regard love benign christian expressing approval consequences find politics cultural trappings religion love highly ambiguous word christians write gentle words paul corinthians passage conservatives quote words eliot pentacost hymn love unfamiliar wove intolerable shirt flame case side attempting raise note evident believer find michael christianity kinder gentler blechh misreading principle force notion unshakeable disestablishmentarianism russel turpin believers unbelievers alike threat legislating understanding christian love word condemn inquisitors commandments understood misread repeatedly complete bill accusation inquisition exhibiting form demonstration harm human beings place respect love succession back quoted words possibility exists revert proper time sequence predecessors centuries persuade christian case inquisition constitute egregious violation love note majority christians persuaded christian argumentation secular christian christian prohibitions turpin alludes trickier point demonstrate human pain violation love involved inquisition inquisitor responds mother church painful discipline children good case salvation souls tortured heretic recant deterring loss soul point justification failure love depends highly speculative construal texts philosophical assertions undemonstrable burns stake rhetoric failed point making sustained cultural baggage case baggage includes universal absolutely secular belief accused person prove innocence testimony believable torture elimination inqisitorial practice places eliminated greatly reduced discussion exchange turpin pointing versus grand inquisitor persuasion work personal agony consign issue ghostly defense attorney possibility fails case fail extreme persuasion succeed properly entails mistaken assumptions share inquisitor potentially troubling case victims inquisition accepted fact sinful random cases guilty charges brought point persuasion breaks parties share agree cultural baggage main thrust inquisition heresy bound break precisely worst cases conservative word refuge attribute justified causing harm thinks works greater good violent extravagant refusal follow gospel theories entitled cast jesus words dealing sinners matthew radical christian gospel matter love fellow thing loving point making base commandments aren reducible rules rules moral code code algorithm acting things helpful individuals societies personal involvement responsibility actions great commandment call accepting ultimate responsibility action demand hear popping nonetheless reassurance important open succeeding conservatives twist rules people nasty rules insistent obvious convinced people rightly reject concept idiocy acts standard accusation atheists conservatives confused manipulative hoop jumping notions coercing people nature entire content standard american atheism agree point ethical systems differentiated nice sounding front sounds pretty specific acts procedures arguments recommend bodies christians beginning urged ethical systems cases result bizarre identify systems popular infamous christianity christianity torah specifically christian scripture commandments christians desperately commandments mining support obvious limitation efforts single thing gospels jesus specifically commandment love expanding point reply paul hudson hope true christians infer lots commandments point inferences huge amount cultural baggage involved ethical system ethical system society eager hand matter principle critique ethical systems case profer agapate allelou glad christians michael find benign meaning interpret ugly specifics constructive fashion hand tells michael christians tells christianity begging question myriads christians christianity christianity origins fundamental doctrines quakers century onwards understand gospel manner congenial case michael siemon gods sons high fall prince psalm 
promise psalm organization university buffalo lines news software vnews nntp posting host ubvmsd buffalo instruct thee teach thee thou shalt guide thee mine psalm 
judas crucifixion tyre nntp posting host bass pace medtronic organization medtronic newsreader version lines david joslin joslin pitt wrote frank decenso writes based amount mail fellow christians read posts told wasting time butler joslin told christians told arguments convince bible studying christians reevaluated purpose contributed decision bible studying christians convinced arguments supposed good thing presume bible studying christians frank implied good christians teaching demonstrated wrong occured harm good fellow christians frank fundamentalist church start noticed science phamphlet read noticed authors knew virtually science asked church members questions theories phamphlet deceptive answers began notice similar style answers theological questions conclusion reach peoples beliefs bible valid beliefs science phamphlet people purpose attack bible accusation frank made point criticized people posted bible contradictions turn silly context easily legitimately reconciled attacking bible intellectual dishonesty bible side primary purposes christians seek truth people condemn dale skiba 
rick reply organization university buffalo lines news software vnews nntp posting host ubvmsd buffalo rick anderson replied letter article psyrobtw buffalo robert weiss jason heretical ways point equates lucifer jesus type lucifer created thou wast perfect ways thou wast created till iniquity found thee ezekiel jesus uncreated creator things beginning word word word beginning things made thing made made john things things consist colossians inference ezekiel john passages lucifer created jesus depends interpetation word create christians agree granted mormon belief children including christ lucifer eternally existent intelligences organized spirit children term creation apply equally passages briefly mentioned passing refer differing interpretations create christians agree irrelevant base faith people bottom line truth popularity opinions find strange persuade created eternally existent equivalent granted mormon belief grant conclusion expect point addressed order reply issue address answer point raised jump conclusion grant bible states lucifer created bible states jesus creator contradiction belief jesus lucifer point brothers jesus lucifer heretical innately brothers sisters christ adopted received spirit bondage fear received spirit adoption abba father romans natural children faith enter family children faith christ jesus galatians manifestation faith receiving jesus sons received gave power sons born blood flesh john occured robert born person person family symbolic term testament mormons adopted house israel baptism faith christ expressed belief evince physical change bodies mormon belief children literally symbolic contradicts bible bible teaches child field world good seed children kingdom tares children wicked matthew speak father father john deeds father born fornication father jesus father love proceeded understand speech hear word father devil lusts father murderer beginning abode truth truth speaketh speaketh liar father john full subtilty mischief thou child devil thou enemy righteousness wilt thou cease pervert ways lord acts time past walked world prince power spirit worketh children disobedience ephesians children manifest children devil whosoever doeth righteousness loveth brother john child received gave power sons john behold manner love father hath bestowed called sons world knoweth knew beloved sons doth john born faith jesus christ born blood flesh john predestinated adoption children jesus christ good pleasure ephesians begat word truth kind firstfruits creatures james spirit sons received spirit bondage fear received spirit adoption abba father spirit beareth witness spirit children romans beloved love love loveth born knoweth john whosoever believeth jesus christ born loveth begat loveth begotten john children faith christ jesus galatians told life eternal thee true jesus christ thou hast john life eternal true doctrines mentioned portray vastly jesus jesus reconciled jesus bible removed proclaim true denies true bible eternal life dependent knowing true construct imagination robert respect died left chief arbiter correct biblical interpretation snotty fact bible differently interpreted groups biblical scholars jehovah witnesses make reference jesus bible simply ridiculous jesus bible herring address issue raised seeks obfuscate fact groups read bible change bible teaches fact jehovah witnesses deny deity christ alter bible teaches blessed hope glorious appearing great saviour jesus christ titus simon peter servant apostle jesus christ obtained precious faith righteousness saviour jesus christ peter deity christ bible teaches discount address bible teaches groups differing views defeating bible teaches bible lord mortality essential salvation promised messiah work salvation father things ibid baptized gain admission celestial kingdom mormon doctrine wonderful world mormon paradoctrine robert books late bruce mcconkie general authority church books published church constitute offical doctrine consist opinions true idea christ personal salvation conclusions conclusions heretical prepared accept find curious mentioned mormon belief jesus needed saved forward quotes late apostle bruce mcconkie curious part addressed issue jesus needing saved rick closest conclusions addressing point replies scotched issue bruce mcconkie views official doctrine matters mcconkie views canon issue mcconkie writings indicative mormon belief subject real issue indication rick robert weiss psyrobtw buffalo 
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ancient order oriental templars organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet tony alicea nntp posting host hela cwru previous article thyagi portal thyagi morgoth nagasiva exists external visible organization women found path real knowledge travelled burning sands give benefit experience spiritual guides guided numberless societies associations orders groups founded thirty years parts civilised world line occult study ancient organization genuine mystics point thought talking rosicrucian order offense intended tony 
part part homosexuality organization university joensuu lines long time andreas andreas siperian sirri siberian stint love evolution tuusniemi siis imein suut 
good jesus died organization idaho river country salmon payette clearwater boise selway priest newsreader version lines brian kendig bskendig wrote point proves universe possibly explained accepting fact existence precisely holy book describes convince religion cleverly constructed fable bearing personal life word witness peter testify events surrounding jesus life follow cleverly invented stories told power coming lord jesus christ eyewitnesses majesty received honor glory father voice majestic glory love pleased heard voice heaven sacred mountain word prophets made attention light shining dark place dawns morning star rises hearts documented testimony research part warranted making statements considerably study peters books testimony messiah worth time brian burrill 
davidians compassion organization royal roads military college victoria lines article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes highly christian religious order fire house killing people inside christian acting direct contradiction scripture jesus coming jesus predicted false messiahs prophecy fulfilled annoyed adults knew supposedly actions angry fact people inside including mothers children suffer awful conditions agree considered religious proud follow fanatical compassionate religions life tells life save life purpose spare innocent young hard time understanding christianity word compassion christians actions today produce good picture religion judge christians acts call christian contradicted scripture actions christian simple read media portrayed true believing christian find deny association adventists denied ties cult judge muslims acts committed saddam hussein supposedly devout muslim saddam dictator religious beliefs people ends malcolm kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
kind loving organization royal roads military college victoria lines article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes article mlee royalroads malcolm wrote true stated jesus saving grace jews words salvation option open people jews jews accept deity christ expect accept christ feel animosity persecuted jesus disciples eventually crucified bear feel pity jesus price sins jews fulfilling prophesy jesus knew began ministry demonstrates great depth love jesus demonstrated great depth love children died today davidian complex events today made negative concering organized religion understand sympathize pain happened waco tradgedy christians branch davidians organized religion cult maniac cult leader christian faith stands shoulders lord lords king kings jesus christ david koresh jesus christ claimed malcolm cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
davidians compassion organization royal roads military college victoria lines article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes article toronto calvin bruce ostrum wrote article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes hard time understanding christianity word compassion christians actions today produce good picture religion people christians alike support support actions person calling christian christians christians christian world shambles agree rightful wrong follow teachings christ christian easy hear comments supposed christian leader makes children burnt death muslims saddam hussein make blanket judgement kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
kind loving organization royal roads military college victoria lines article lanph csrv uidaho lanphier writes malcolm mlee royalroads wrote bothers people religious affiliation continue persecute jews hatred jews majority people persecute jews christians speak christians bound anti semitism bandwagon anecdotal evidence back blatent persecution jews history nazis world predominately lutheran crowd muslims middle east israelites thorn side modern persecution jews hands christians aware lanphier lanph nazis white supremists christian classify christian follow teachings christ love love neighbour love enemies jesus christ lord saviour persecution jews violating precepts christ died direct violation teachings christ jesus crucified jewish leaders time loved enemies father forgiveness sins christian bear animosity jews enemy satan fellow malcolm 
biblical backing koresh tape cites enclosed organization news organization lines nntp posting host susie article stephen writes david koresh solid structure sound biblical backing hour long tape broadcast cares solid structure sermon deaths responsible concern people enclosed partial list sources cites quotes christian sermon pretty good inspired differ part conclusions argument presents backed long work ongoing thought rambling koresh definite relationship made curious seal revelation entirety psalms revelation demonstrated major points writings prophets including david psalms revelation telling story understand related largely explain charles manson revelation pattern koresh beatles sequence keyed koresh tape care check note cards analysis long list biblical references impressed tremendously deleted interests common sense koresh found ways bible backup rantings make kook koresh messenger killed message carried type slowly understand fire told followers make martyr killed killed time learned evil corruption surprised things rotten evil inside compound thou shalt kill stuff yeah point believers philippian rest post text 
freemasonry southern baptist convention organization locus computing corporation angeles california lines article freenet tony alicea writes southern baptist convention convening june charges freemasonry incompatible christianity thought quotes james holly anti masonic flag carrier amuse passages exact quotes southern baptist convention freemasonry james holly president mission ministry beaumont jesus christ commanded toleration motive disciples toleration antithesis christian message page central dynamic freemason drive world unity fraternity liberty equality toleration writings great writers freemasonry page hope good laugh tony laugh tony religeous bigot scares shit bothers listen grave doubts future shades branch davidians jones charlie manson uncle wolf member highland lodge grand lodge california babtized southern babtist beliefs teachings 
rosicrucian order organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet tony alicea nntp posting host hela cwru previous article cdcolvin christopher colvin guess jose mercury news wrong amorc personal good pending legal actions period situation resolved parties long humans handle subjected breaking gary stewart calling ancient rosae crucis guess amorc tony 
clarification personal position organization university georgia athens lines article dlecoint acns darius lecointe writes violate sunday forgiven jesus sunday holy recognized holy jesus recognized holy days passover acts layed gentiles sabbath list epistles instruct people christians living people problem scriptures telling days esteemed alike romans judge regard kind food jewish holy days regard sabbath question authority proclaim requirements fourth commandment longer relevant modern christians sabbath command totally irrelevant modern christians collosions judged regard keeping sabbath link hudson 
davidians compassion organization tektronix wilsonville lines evidence independent branch davidians fire survivors press precedent government saving children roasting alive precedent religious imolation government leave 
rosicrucian order organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet tony alicea nntp posting host hela cwru previous article cdcolvin christopher colvin worked amorc naive teen lewis dates back wrong homework born century amorc embroiled internal political turmoil 
freemasonry southern baptist convention organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet tony alicea nntp posting host hela cwru previous article jluther john luther john good netiquette quote complete article personal amused determined ignorance taking mirth views sadden views sadden care stuff sick sense humor tolerance tony 
good jesus died organization starfleet headquarters francisco lines jburrill burrill writes brian kendig bskendig wrote point proves universe possibly explained accepting fact existence precisely holy book describes convince religion cleverly constructed fable bearing personal life word witness peter testify events surrounding jesus life problems peter died millenia original letters wrote long decayed dust alive today question lend credibility claims heard people claim sincerity spoken elvis recently death peter writings transcribed monks centuries find hard decide change wording make opinion easier understand peter witness miracles jesus millenia deity bible satan convince nice deity alive active world today nice convince wild claims deity face observed world work find compelling brian kendig suis fait comme aucun bskendig ceux croire etre fait comme aucun ceux existent meaning life vaux mieux moins suis autre ends rousseau 
list biblical contradictions organization university nebraska omaha speak bible apparant contradictions remember context accept line reason remembering study christian religion progressed years matters concession serves purpose distribution lines critus 
merlin mithras magick organization institute study ancient science lines distribution world nntp posting host bailey cpac washington reply pegasus uoregon message article pegasus uoregon laurieewbrandt writes lets percentages orphaic docterians brought group paul saul high ranking initiate development orphaic mysteries jane harrisons prolegomena study greek religion cambridge press easly draw conclusions quote argument josh 
ancient order oriental templars organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet tony alicea nntp posting host hela cwru previous article shades cutler darrin hyrup thelema lodge internet address address reached uucp internet guess tony 
good jesus died organization starfleet headquarters francisco lines brian arizona brian ceccarelli writes exposed light evil deeds uncovered choice remain darkness sort bugs rock people darkness cold dark comfortable people crawl rock blinded accustomed light enjoy warm virtue light depths shortcomings correct world narrow experiences rock discover life rock incredibly yukky life light world great great friends maintain people enter light knowledge masters fear afraid face world terms choice remain darkness sort bugs rock people darkness cold dark comfortable people crawl rock blinded accustomed light enjoy warmth things heights reach places learn choose paths world learn mistakes revel successes world narrow experiences rock discover life rock incredibly yucky life terms great great point rock great sunlight life improved immesurably abandoned theism join difficult trip build muscles long hike worth people hate light kent adversion extent brian kendig replying thread likes darkness brian enjoys stating false concepts false pressumptions bible checking presumptions compares odin zeus practically equated odin zeus accept witness eyes experience senses mega powerful accept surely strongly good reason withough checking presumption thinks hell equivalent existence cease existing subject whims deity deity decided toss fiery pits enjoy darkness people honestly admit people fond sexual sins hording money selfishness mention biblical ignorance nope people christian people fond feeling imperfect believing world undesirable place reciting magical mystical prayers make world nice holy priests good sheep enjoy darkness proud bible read koran writings hare krishna literature haven open mind admit life leads trouble death life hell nope make decisions enjoy successes accept failures content life reflect back final moments good life rock loved world gave believes perish eternal life feel sacrificing jesus worship sacrifice temporary case important forget bible minute forget quoting verses forget show picture wide open hilltop convince brian kendig suis fait comme aucun bskendig ceux croire etre fait comme aucun ceux existent meaning life vaux mieux moins suis autre ends rousseau 
promise john organization starfleet headquarters francisco lines brian arizona brian ceccarelli writes mother merlyn mother asserted mother feet tall murdered father sexually abused fetch parents show prove definitively mother named merlyn feet tall father alive assert simply deity exist wait similar demonstration brian kendig suis fait comme aucun bskendig ceux croire etre fait comme aucun ceux existent meaning life vaux mieux moins suis autre ends rousseau 
rosicrucian order nntp posting host bolero organization network lines article freenet tony alicea writes previous article cdcolvin christopher colvin worked amorc naive teen lewis dates back wrong homework born century amorc embroiled internal political turmoil guess jose mercury news wrong involved christopher colvin 
newsgroup religion islam ahmadiyya nntp posting host rintintin colorado organization university colorado boulder lines esam abdel rahem writes urge vote formation news group ahmadya islam group word islam shouldnot attached group muslims tahir ijaz comments esam abdel rahem statement problem ourself muslims luckily faith determined believes personal matter declare faith jawad comments tahir ijaz statement consequences argument converse problem muslims dont ahmadies muslims considers believer personal matter wrong muslims included defination argument jawad funny writes converse problem muslims dont ahmadies muslims wrong statement light ijaz statement statement corrected ahmadi muslims ahmadi muslims muslims problem solved muslims humans decide humans declare faiths simple understand mere word islam becomming issue numorous postings subject islam newsgroup single posting stating declaring faiths authority quran hadith small reminder muslim brothers holy prophet islam muhammad pbuh called muslim muslim challenge muslim brothers produce single evidence history islam prophet muhammad muslims mullahs governments today holy prophet muhammad pbuh sincerely nabeel note love views abeel hatred mail rana colorado mine 
pology meritt silence concurance distribution organization intelligent systems program lines mitre james meritt writes stop dodging question hypocritical criticizing arguments agree conclusion disagree conclusion claimed possess fruits precognition telepathy telempathy divine dodge match amazing repertoire herrings smoke screens asked apology apologize pointing straw argument straw argument list bible contradictions shows standards scholarship embarrassment anti inerrantists josh mcdowell embarrassment fundies objecting times taking quotes context pointing excuse calling herrings smoke screens hypocrite true responded robert weiss articles part fact read articles responded frank decenso fundie inerrantist frank quotes context objected criticized arguments agreed conclusion bible inerrant frank disagreed conclusion criticized frank evading questions explain addressing objections raise accusing hypocritical irrational frank accusing motivated desire attack bible hypocritical apologize apologize offended happy 
davidians compassion organization johns hopkins university dept lines article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes highly christian religious order fire house killing people inside cultists burned house batf government word people started knock search concussion grenades disinterested observers christmas truelove served leftover turkey christmas truelove served turkey casserole made leftover turkey days deleted flaming turkey wings pizza commercial bait arromdee arromdee 
promise john organization starfleet headquarters francisco lines brian arizona brian ceccarelli writes warned convert holy spirit frankly make lousy testify conversion loop decide follow jesus estatic glory asked times heart matter confidence build universe place nice watching open mind layed beliefs time time doubt prayed good open short deciding good reason decide good reason zeus pretty cool candidate searching pride decided truth matter difficult accept encounter deity christian remaining true brian kendig suis fait comme aucun bskendig ceux croire etre fait comme aucun ceux existent meaning life vaux mieux moins suis autre ends rousseau 
mormons jews organization university virginia lines cochrane james shapleigh writes time group committed suicide avoid shame capture persecution group killed fulfill interpretation prophecy book suite paradise taking innocent kids ride feds motivated persecution koresh surrender quietly authorities firing shot american people feds seat told play tough great strength yielding peter yadlowsky wake light academic computing center university virginia companion keyboard basho 
mormons jews organization university virginia lines bill gripp writes wondered business followers christ weapons people followers christ david koresh messiah jesus figure beliefs original question christians weaponry stands peter yadlowsky wake light academic computing center university virginia companion keyboard basho 
mormons jews organization hand held products lines distribution world nntp posting host dale handheld article friedenb gedaliah friedenberg writes article freenet john redelfs writes brother rubbed minority religion waco mormons jews give break mormons fortified utah armed teeth involved illegal activity deserve brought ussr innocent proven guilty jury peers dead country evasion charge brought punishable death country making ludicrous suggestion blind idiot live country enjoyed free exercise rights worship bear arms include murder children killing officers laws texas koresh folks claimed grenades grenade launchers rocket launchers feels falls bear arms condem death batf stayed home alive murdered jews mormons broken record happened explain remember jews mormons group overtly breaking judicious nazi punished short memory cult haters happy hope followups null alternative followups talk religion misc sleep tonite heartless idiot sleep sleep simple minded weep country john redelfs freenet opinions tentative pending data gedaliah friedenberg department mechanical engineering department metallurgy mechanics materials science michigan state university short patience tonite rabid dogs deserve treatment rethinking rethought bill clinton april american englishman foreign troop landed country arms william pitt earl chatham 
freemasonry southern baptist convention nntp posting host organization university missouri rolla rolla lines article freenet tony alicea writes southern baptist convention convening june charges freemasonry incompatible christianity thought quotes james holly anti masonic flag carrier amuse passages exact quotes southern baptist convention freemasonry james holly president mission ministry beaumont inside cover book states mission ministry grants permission reproduction part booklet provisions material changed source identified provisions freemasonry allies devil page issue moderate conservative issue devil page worthwhile remember formulators public school education america freemasons page jesus christ commanded toleration motive disciples toleration antithesis christian message page central dynamic freemason drive world unity fraternity liberty equality toleration writings great writers freemasonry page jesus christ established sectarian faiths page narrowness sectarianism equal lord jesus christ page interest toleration cousins liberty equality fraternity subtlest lies father lies page southern baptist convention churches founded lodge corner stones dedicated lodge churches hold public ceremonies repentance praying blood lord jesus christ church renouncing oaths dedication church building page hope good laugh tony narrow mindedness view expressed text quoted amused determined ignorance taking mirth views sadden hope sort narrow mindedness generations promoted teach children john john luther mistakes jluther email opinions 
mormons jews organization university virginia lines arromdee writes federal officers knock search question answers question immediately dealing feds uniform apparel insignia figured pretty short order fighting ready attacked warning peter yadlowsky wake light academic computing center university virginia companion keyboard basho 
merlin mithras magick organization polyhedron group lines distribution world nntp posting host dialin uoregon article joshua washington joshua geller wrote article pegasus uoregon laurieewbrandt writes lewb lets percentages orphaic docterians brought lewb group paul saul high ranking initiate lewb development orphaic mysteries jane harrisons prolegomena lewb study greek religion cambridge press easly draw lewb conclusions josh quote argument love copy harrison packed chapter rember deals orphic mysteries views women strongly implyed christian view drawn heavly orphic major cults time pegasus 
identity crisis satan organization utexas mail news gateway lines nntp posting host utexas samuel anger lord kindled israel moved david number isreal judah chronicles satan stood isreal provoked david number israel 
question popular morality organization national capital freenet ottawa canada lines article david ericsson david bold writes article carleton carleton james owens writes unknowable morality unknowable pretty understand sadducees believed torah required pharisees ancestors modern judaism believed torah interpretation lead understanding required morality nuances talmud essence biblical morality interface yhwh christian necessarily yhwh relationship speculate point make bible interpret interpretation humanity guess faith relevation inherent subjectiveness unknowable comment motives distressing allowed misunderstand fault sanity sake assume message question immediately individual contained complex canon interpreted experts consultation transmitted directly appointed representatives free interpret extend modify canon message mediated problem arises individual stands mediated message fully responsibility understanding lies ultimately individual assume benevolence guides individual source individual whereof person drink metaphysically multiple moral codes absolute moral code theologically questionable absolute moral code undoubtably multiple moral codes multiple moral codes founded absolute moral code parent child swear child assume parent swears simply parent told child wrong parent swear trooper children wrongness child disobeys parent parent feel inappropriate swear front children happy swear front animals analogy hold water child type parent parent life gist incidentally young child considers directive absolute older piaget learns morality complicated thin line morality politeness burp burping swearing carry stigma today talking taking lord vain transgression case hypocrisy varying moral codes absolute moral code propositions laws code apply absolutely universally definition conceivably moral codes subsets universal code outset code include thou shalt create beings hospitable planet live inapplicable entitled suppose laws applicable applicable begin laws moral code sense absurdity question make laws follow sort category morality sensibly applied james owens carleton ottawa ontario canada 
cults organization purdue university engineering computer network lines clinton today horrible tragedy waco fiasco remind join cults dangers began scratching head thinking sign mainstream religions case christianity adventist clinton condemning religion cult thoughts 
freemasonry southern baptist convention nntp posting host zippy radian organization lines article freenet tony alicea writes southern baptist convention convening june charges freemasonry incompatible christianity thought quotes james holly anti masonic flag carrier amuse hope good laugh funny damn nasty xian hard pushing black white freedom slavery blatantly mark 
clarification organization portal system distribution world lines thou wilt word restriction kent sandvik apple writes jose based rosicrucian order called remember time stand ordo rosae crucis words latin order rose cross response true entire title ancient mystical order rosae crucis located naglee avenue jose california considered largely unrelated number sources documentation links figure spencer lewis lewis apparently involved reuss ordo templi orientis years apparently true lewis charter form body created subsidiary interesting question kent headquarters jose pretty decent metaphysical bookstore interested books loves egyptian museum response diagonally street metaphysical book store called metaphysical purchased wonderful works crowley metaphysical books park jose invoke stars love love frater nigris dclxvi ccxxii 
cults organization university nebraska lincoln lines distribution world nntp posting host unlinfo muttiah purdue ranjan muttiah writes clinton today horrible tragedy waco fiasco remind join cults dangers began scratching head thinking sign mainstream religions case christianity adventist clinton condemning religion cult good point helps things public attitude faith authority high subjected mere reason couple variety personality quirks mojor minor mental illnesses leaders variety cults religions people subscribe 
mormons true church organization article psyrobtw buffalo robert weiss writes psyrobtw buffalo robert weiss subject mormons true church date mormon church christ true church lots stuff intellectual errors deleted cute statement telling church true church presume true attempting ream faith replacing real good loose person completely christ greatest reason attacks motivated love seek destroy building replacing belief christ guided instructed seek destroy faith found redirected people love laugh irony excuse scarcasm nice robert personally post convinent 
apology meritt silence concurance nntp posting host mwunix mitre organization mitre corporation mclean distribution lines article joslin pitt david joslin writes mitre james meritt writes stop dodging question hypocritical criticizing arguments agree conclusion disagree conclusion claimed possess fruits precognition telepathy telempathy divine dodge match amazing repertoire herrings smoke screens asked apology apologize pointing straw argument straw argument list bible contradictions shows standards scholarship embarrassment anti inerrantists josh mcdowell embarrassment fundies objecting times taking quotes context pointing excuse calling herrings smoke screens inaccurate unsubstantiated accusations pitt threatening threat produced realized display telepathy threatening quote spite threat produced forecast happening precognition responding threat quote spite claimed threat preparing spite happening telepathy precognition mystified unsubstantiated untrue telepathy telempathy scandalized unsubstantiated habit trouble reality appears bothered facts products paranatural divination methods yawn 
promise john organization lunar planetary laboratory tucson lines merlyn missed point christianity relationship relationship mother merlyn mother asserted mother feet tall murdered father sexually abused mother blind arrogant idiot proclaim things merlyn leroy analogy good plenty people agree things children approves polygamy mohammed prophets people absolutely agree basic attributes thing wrong subjective certainty worthless knowledge hand large groups people claim absolute knowledge mother disagree basic attributes difference real people imaginary friends meryln logic people disagree characteristics mother mother imaginary 
mormons jews organization royal roads military college victoria lines article virginia pete yadlowsky writes wondered business followers christ weapons peter yadlowsky wake light academic computing center university virginia companion keyboard basho christian weapons contrary american ethos bear arms christians rely strength protect note inherently insecure feel proper justification armed teeth christian rely physical weapons defend christian rely faith intelligence instance faith protect gave intelligence walking dark alley night jump cliff save putting test test malcolm 
biblical backing koresh tape cites enclosed organization oryx energy lines nntp posting host oryx newsreader koresh messenger killed message carried character messenger reckon find rest hard koresh killed wanted lots illegal guns 
biblical backing koresh tape cites enclosed kmcvay almanac mcvay organization frog almanac lines article stephen writes koresh messenger killed message carried barring evidence contrary koresh simply deranged fanatic thought neccessary bunch folks children satisfy delusional mania jones circa time learned evil corruption surprised things rotten nope fruitcakes koresh demonstrating evil corruption centuries frog almanac salute frog hisse ryugen fisher xenix ladysmith british columbia canada serving central vancouver island public access usenet internet mail home holocaust almanac 
good jesus died organization lunar planetary laboratory tucson lines article bskendig brian kendig writes maintain people enter light knowledge masters fear afraid face world terms choice remain darkness sort bugs rock people darkness cold dark comfortable people crawl rock blinded accustomed light enjoy warmth things heights reach places learn choose paths world learn mistakes revel successes master habits break unable master lack desire understand slightest concept bible ignorance mastered sexual sins gotta secret desires head harbor control dehumanize women walk past degrade object head master kind thinking insult people unknowingly regret time opportunity presents master admitted master thought life times things repeat mistake unwantingly admitted control aspect times times simply forget lesson fact master jesus promised offer willfully jesus master jesus creator creation creation toyota corolla corolla point rock great sunlight life improved immesurably abandoned theism join difficult trip build muscles long hike worth guess ignorance bliss brian enjoy clue bible accept witness eyes experience senses mega powerful accept surely strongly good reason witness motherly love senses caring concern register senses registers taste smell hear touch vulcan fast emotions good reason cease existing subject whims deity deity decided toss fiery pits topic lack knowledge cease existing life forever choose live hell eternal torment communication whatsoever choose live paradise issue made theism made wishful thinking nope people christian people fond feeling imperfect believing world undesirable place reciting magical mystical prayers make world nice holy priests good sheep enjoy darkness proud religion kendigianism people christian people including christians fond feeling imperfect world undesireable place doctrine kendigianism kendigism magical mystical prayers part worship mine doesn kendigianism world holy mine doesn kendigianism dictate obey priest tells good sheep mine doesn bunch lies justify ignorant bible brian christ doctrines kendigianism find doctrines bible follow kendigianism follow christ show ignorance christ bible priests read sole melchizedek priest hebrews read purpose testament levitical priesthood priests today guess catholics messed follow catholicism follow christ nope make decisions enjoy successes accept failures content life reflect back final moments good life live good life contradict reason live good life good life good dies reason lead good life leading good life meaningless meaningless thing feel sacrificing jesus worship sacrifice temporary case important resurrection sunk jesus alive jesus dead jesus sacrified fufill testament sacrificial system detail jesus death seed needed fall ground lives root miss entire john passage forget bible minute forget quoting verses forget show picture wide open hilltop convince forget person forget type forget sentence forget send mail forget existence proove exist honest 
biblical backing koresh tape cites enclosed organization lunar planetary laboratory tucson lines article stephen writes david koresh solid structure sound biblical backing hour long tape broadcast enclosed partial list sources cites quotes christian sermon pretty good inspired david koresh born bethlehem 
firm foundations organization utexas mail news gateway lines nntp posting host utexas stretcheth north empty place hangeth earth wast thou laid foundations earth declare thou hast understanding 
disillusioned protestant finds christ organization idaho river country salmon payette clearwater boise selway priest newsreader version lines john redelfs freenet wrote mormon christ alive raised text deleted learned concept holy trinity taught jesus christ agreed council clergymen long christ ascended authority speak jesus taught concept trinity deal jesus authority heaven earth make disciples nations baptizing father holy spirit teaching obey commanded surely jesus speaking john baptized water days baptized holy spirit overlooked verses crucial christian faith burrill jburrill 
silence concurance nntp posting host mwunix mitre organization mitre corporation mclean distribution lines case eyes aware capability taking action individual held responsible action driver getaway held accomplice murder defense spawned ignorance excuse individual held material witness crime criminal charge individual grounds person imprisoned james meritt mitre jmeritt opinions mine share fine facts belong simply 
question islamic view organization idaho river country salmon payette clearwater boise selway priest newsreader version lines question islamic view homosexuality discussion group participate question islamic view homosexuality burrill jburrill 
disillusioned protestant finds christ organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet john redelfs nntp posting host hela cwru previous article tredydev unisys albrecht article jesus lied thief cross paradise salvation thing salvation refer john albrecht john redelfs freenet opinions tentative pending data 
rick reply organization brigham young university lines article psyrobtw buffalo robert weiss briefly mentioned passing refer differing interpretations create christians agree irrelevant base faith people bottom line truth popularity opinions thought discussing heresy assumed heresy meant departure orthodoxy case generally accepted belief important issue case definition word create great importance creation issue discussed find strange persuade created eternally existent equivalent granted mormon belief grant conclusion expect point addressed order reply issue address answer point raised jump conclusion grant mormon belief disagree mormon belief creation function organization eternally existent substance nihilo creation important point bible states lucifer created bible states jesus creator contradiction belief jesus lucifer correction interpret bible specific terms mormon belief children literally symbolic contradicts bible bible teaches child cracks anti mormons presume mormons mormons fact people including christ lucifer children sense created organized offspring symbolic sense applied spiritually born word convey meanings language works robert making offender word dangerous herring address issue raised seeks obfuscate fact groups read bible change bible teaches bible teaches discount address bible teaches groups differing views defeating bible teaches bible contrary robert herring show rely wholly bible agree simply bible teaches centuries people understands scriptures find curious mentioned mormon belief jesus needed saved forward quotes late apostle bruce mcconkie curious part addressed issue jesus needing saved rick closest conclusions addressing point clarify time refer mormon belief jesus needed saved mcconkie belief point bruce mcconkie source mormon doctrine ignoring replies scotched issue bruce mcconkie views official doctrine matters mcconkie views canon issue mcconkie writings indicative mormon belief subject real issue indication rick contrary robert quoting mcconkie words mormon canon question canon great importance fact general mormon belief ascertainable interviewing large number mormons robert weiss psyrobtw buffalo rick anderson librba bitnet 
part part homosexuality organization university georgia athens lines article rich bellacera amdahl writes middle ages proclaimed massacred thousands witch hunts inquisitions injustices middle ages truely hate churches people death torchured practicing homosexuality crime church called governments world homosexuals treated cruelly today teach christians practice homosexual immorality teach christians practice divination channelling witches middle ages persecuted major flaw posturing final effect posts hudson conditional love gays condition change love strange coming group claim unconditional love calls people accuse judging heart love writing teach christians practice homosexual immorality pretend divine knowledge heart love homosexuals love neighbor homosexuals jesus loves homosexuals loves love conditional show love homosexuals love encourage brothers church stumble continue damaging dangerous thing results passing amendment colorado created organization posters appearing colorado called forget definition hand part immoral gross homosexual trash motto working free america implicit advocation violence sick hudson embracing slander easily nambla able implement legislation make child molesting easier tearing societies morality people accepting homosexuality normal embracing homosexual immoral endorse violence problem hatred church problem called unsanctified mercy conservative churches moral breakdown country storm horizon militant flesh truely churches embraced immorality society pointed carnality conservative churches justify actions stick positive find ways bring people jesus istead taking bullwhips driving bullwhip drive people jesus water gospel draw people jesus show considered positive aspects draw people told sell told good family words hard times present people cost tower begin construction people innoculated gospel link hudson rich 
federal hearing reply dmcgee soest hawaii message organization compaq computer corp distribution lines dmcgee soest hawaii mcgee fact rumor madalyn murray hare atheist eliminated bible reading prayer public schools years petition stop reading gospel airways america campaigning remove christmas programs songs public schools true mail federal communications commission street washington expressing opposition request reference petition number false story years drop truth note care hare hair thing guilty mccreary compaq laughter 
mark beast info organization monash university newsreader version lines wrote marian catholic high school chicago south ashland avenue satanism technically inverted catholicism andrew bulhak plonk sound richard depew monash hitting ground monash clayton defenestrated posse angry usenet victoria australia posters 
silence concurance distribution organization intelligent systems program lines missing context thrilling discussion wrote mail pointed quote context robert weiss writes promise psalm hypocritical busy arguing context extracted translations directed similar accusation hypocrisy based lack response article robert weiss stephen pointed fact agree robert weiss meritt quotes context find difficult understand thinks hypocrite needless time reply article takes quote context asked criticize person taking quote context hypocrite post response person takes quote context replied assert today find articles subject silence concurrence mitre james meritt writes case eyes aware capability taking action individual held responsible action complete herring taking quotes context crime time read article obligation reply silence concurrence imply thinks respond weiss articles condone weiss taking quotes context give direct answer question read written decide back context conversation gambit claim inductive logic concluded hypocrite challenged provide details logic incorrect conclusion today find obscure article posting make clear titled inductive logic scenario white goose waddles past door white goose waddles past door white goose waddles past door repeat uncountably large number times black goose waddles past door individual hits population geese uncountably large size confidence interval decision undetermined conditions decision behavior individual white geese made black geese observed axed valid question concerned behavior black white geese herrings read uncountably large number articles axed articles weiss articles conclude inductively induction written roughly articles january vast majority discussions frank decenso inerrantists position making arguments discussions meritt position making arguments straw argument earlier taking quotes context recently hard pattern harder induction engine pops 
spreading christianity christian extremist kills doctor organization department computer science lines addressed issues long lines post dean kaflowitz posts yesterday made title post thread dean kaflowitz terminally irony impaired appeared thread chaney post challenge reissued revised talk abortion posting contents talk religion misc exit thrash week post grapples main bones contention lighthearted tells things kaflowitzdebatingpoints continues rack talk abortion talk religion misc setting follow talk abortion lame excuse policy prompt follow follow talk religion misc suggests hypocritical setting newsgroups line talk abortion peter nyikos 
spreading christianity christian extremist kills doctor organization department computer science lines issues line post dealt post made talk abortion yesterday modified correct paragraph message references decay dean kaflowitz writes article nyikos scarolina peter nyikos writes brown john bates writes article nyikos scarolina peter nyikos writes dedication convictions thought consciously intellectually dishonest show lead spreading christianity thread ignore statements specifically acknowledged dean called great commission descriptive jesus words matt matt jerusalem bible translation listen walk house town shake dust feet matt solemnly judgment hard land sodom gomorrah town post dean referring good description kaflowitz harping shaking dust feet ignoring christ highlighted words refer matt dean countered comment perfect intellectually dishonest sparrowfart specifically acknowledged great commission entreaty spread word fact combination statements addressing characterize ignoring instruction spread word good dishonest fellow matt quoted makes mention instruction spread word quotes message claims answer question answered deleted chronology deleted answer answer claim correctly question measure goodness post entertainment care whit mundane things truth falsehood closest dean answer peter peter peter stupid pretentious dull generally unworthy place sport answer question posts general posts surely dean brazenly asserts reinforcing claim insult restore answer question deleted unable figure nice local junior high sophistication understand doubt answer representative dean true frame mind insults quoted small sample stream oozes dean mind line post quotes wonders dean mind warped find sport dredges falsified account events transpired earlier thread made claiming tradition lent make public announcements sins individuals false tradition recall atone sins made public announcements sins sins matter public record documented posts matter individuals involved amoral sins morally upright people sins pointed expressly thread turn people point sins dean made statement tradition tzedukkah attempt paint jews plaster saints revealing inability understand discussion showing dislike people positive things jews show intellectual dishonesty repeatedly ignoring simple argument made claiming ignoring argument acknowledge happened dean made gave alms acts charity public hypocrite jewish customs caricaturing jewish customs impossibly demanding implicitly slandering jews make public acts charity easily dean giving benefit doubt post initial crack plaster saints suggesting careless wording astonishing ingratitude dean serves incredibly distorted picture place basis insult peter nyikos 
part part homosexuality organization colorado springs center lines nntp posting host fajita hudson paul hudson writes article rich bellacera amdahl writes stick positive find ways bring people jesus istead taking bullwhips driving bullwhip drive people jesus water gospel draw people case calls christian brother continues claims perfectly acceptable christians ignore sinful lifestyle order offend person reaffirming lifestyle sinful bible bullwhip drive people jesus frankly find occurance homosexual christian attempting pass straight christian order christians accept chastisement people reaffirming bible teaches homosexuality walter 
divine masters organization university wisconsin claire lines divine masters christians agree correctly jesus christ divine master projection physical world incarnate important related facts christians completely ignorant followers world religions jesus christ unique john notwith standing divine master incarnate physically alive world times continuous succession history life jesus followers masters founded world major religions perverting teachings master process christians added threats eternal damnation hell deleted teaching reincarnation importantly master physically dies leaves world people initiated physically alive simply things universes christians worship jesus pray jesus expect jesus return save sins kidding allowed duped religion manufactured romans emotional feelings totally deceiving indicator religious validity things similarly true followers major world religions including islam thirdly primary function master tune initiates audible life stream sound current referred word john river life revelation personally guide upper levels heaven connected living physical bodies silver cord true salvation completes soul cycles reincarnation physical psychic planes achieved reaching soul plane levels universes physical universe physically living divine master divine master alive today american harold klemp living master mahanta eckankar organization headquartered minneapolis divine master maharaj gurinder singh living punjab india sant organization classic books subject path masters radha soami books gardena written julian johnson theologian surgeon spent years life india studying closely observing sant master time maharaj sawan singh eckankar books including authored paul twitchell harold klemp found public university libraries book stores obtained inter library loan book eckankar secret worlds paul twitchell classic christians confuse masters anti christ temporary world dictator called days masters rule asked expected jesus people continue christianity islam orthodox religions physically dead master continue cycles reincarnation psychic planes miserable physical world finally accept initiation physically living divine master incarnation book ruth montgomery describes kinds evidence supporting reincarnation fact life including hypnotic regressions past lives accurate subconscious mind makes things hypnotist spontaneous recall young children identify recent previous relatives homes possessions dream recall past life experi ences deja familiarity land travel time vacation psychic read ings late edgar cayce supporting statements christian bible including matthew john baptist reincarnation elias john person possibly born lived king james version versions versions strong interests innate talents strong phobias typically originate person past lives strong fear swimming traveling water results drowned previous life person dislike person time life encounter previous incarnation teaching reincarnation includes karma galatians revelation people behave knew actions present surely reaped future future incarnation comings divine master physically dies translates initiate initiate physically dies translates master meet astral level directly soul plane correct meaning coming individual experience people waiting jesus coming waiting vain planes existence physical universe lowest dozen major levels existence physical plane astral plane causal plane mental plane etheric plane counted upper part mental plane soul plane higher spiritual planes soul plane true heaven counting upward physical planes including physical soul planes called psychic planes telepathy astrological influences radionic effects biological transmutations book title phenomena apparent physical origin result interactions psychic planes physical plane major planes divided plane astral plane called hades christian hell occupies small part created years early catholic church kind black magic simply teaching existence threatening manner christian heaven located astral plane good christians short reincarnate back earth sound current blind faith christian religion demands followers extraordinary amount blind faith backed good feeling totally deceiving person hearing form sound current word bani audible life stream cycles reincarnation miserable world continue sound current manifests differently initiates sound rushing wind ocean waves shore buzzing bees higher pitched buzzing sound flute heavenly music sounds eckankar members start hearing year member experiences soul travel replace blind faith information answers questions consult cited sources books addresses altered reproduction dissemination important information encouraged robert mcelwaine initiate eckankar agent thereof 
rosicrucian order organization institute study ancient science lines distribution world nntp posting host bailey cpac washington reply freenet message article freenet tony alicea writes kent competing rosicrucian orders existing today spin offs competing organizations century france germany write article interesting relating story heard spent time investigating organizations conceptual world view systems competing rosicrucian orders spent time spin offs opposite case care back josh 
merlin mithras magick organization institute study ancient science lines distribution world nntp posting host bailey cpac washington reply pegasus uoregon message article pegasus uoregon pegasus writes article joshua washington joshua geller wrote article pegasus uoregon laurieewbrandt writes lewb lets percentages orphaic docterians brought lewb group paul saul high ranking initiate lewb development orphaic mysteries jane harrisons prolegomena lewb study greek religion cambridge press easly draw lewb conclusions josh quote argument love copy harrison packed chapter rember deals orphic mysteries views women strongly implyed christian view drawn heavly orphic major cults time brought back asked details josh 
davidians compassion disclaimer public access unix system university denver denver community university control responsibility opinions users organization public access unix denver math dept lines article arromdee arromdee writes article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes highly christian religious order fire house killing people inside cultists burned house batf government word people started knock search concussion grenades disinterested observers point obvious deluded siege mentality followers religious case thought jesus christ possibly personally regard batf condupes word bunch silly pinks stoopid lock goofball david koresh makeshift arsenal doge south louis dobbs approved media conspirator step sundays louis community radio dobbs 
freemasonry southern baptist convention summary update events keywords update report woof organization rowan college jersey disclaimer tonight brandy wonderdog turn years mail presents likes rawhide chewy toys address lines recent developments dispute masonry southern baptists posted summary listserv christia suppose note necessarily agree disagree present information short summary southern baptist named larry holly wrote book claiming freemasonry religion incompatible christianity holly father rejects christianity holly blames masons home missions board includes interfaith witness department studies religions teach christ years ordered produce report masonry concluded religion speciality holly movement people oppose masonry year convention ordered study masonry feeling wrong answer time answer infighting inappropriate actions dust settled report happy live sides things current environment report commends masons charity work hospitals burn centers operate efforts elderly prevent drug abuse report acknowledges christians masons notes teachings masonry supportive christian faith practice examples include belief emphases honesty integrity masonic lodges incorporate explicit christian beliefs hand note aspects masonry incompatible southern baptist principles included titles people sacrilegious taking oaths meant undeniably pagan occultic writings masonic leaders implication masonic writings salvation achieved good works racial discrimination practiced masonic lodges note chagrin baptist churches place speak point report concludes masonry religion membership endorsed censured left discretion individuals part variation masonic lodges include elements strongly christianity southern baptists strong convictions priesthood believer autonomy local church history influenced report information gleaned religious herald publication baptist general association virginia baptists today direct links religious organisation autonomy issue baptists report masonic documents relevant issues guarantee mileage vary void prohibited darren provine kilroy rowan milton finest baby frogs picked flown iraq cleansed finest quality spring water lightly killed sealed succulent swiss quintuple smooth treble cream milk chocolate envelope lovingly frosted glucose praline frog 
odds ends keywords cheap shots christianity organization world public access unix brookline lines cheap shots christianity riddle shortest street jerusalem answer street righteous poles limrick archeologist thostle found amazing fossil bent knot twas penis paul apostle jingle christianity hits spot twelve apostles jesus christ virgin christianity faith apologies pepsi cola famous jingle riddle christians save light bulb answer jesus save aphorism jesus saves moses invests proof jesus jewish lived home till fathers business thought mother virgin mother thought long kolker spend eternity hell interesting people eternity heaven christians love constitution hate government 
ignorance bliss good jesus died organization communications corp plano lines article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes article pharvey paul harvey wrote article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes ignorance bliss ignorance strength spread truth ignorance ignorance strength distribute piece information follow advice contradiction cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities quoting brother orwell 
magi matthew jewish discomfort jesus organization duck pond public unix guest lines article bill carlson fidonet bill carlson writes zoroaster suggested probable descendant daniel suppose prove wasn encyclopedia religion mircea eliade magi sneak preview eschatology apocalyptics fertile meeting ground iranian judeo christian religions famous oracles hystaspes work iranian roots undeniable dates beginning christian century widengren zoroastrian doctrine savior future saoshyant basis story coming magi bethlehem gospel matthew persian word magu rendered greek magos uncertain etymology originally meant member tribe avestan compound mogu tbish hostile member tribe meaning resticted medes member priestly tribe priest benveniste boyce term median origin herodotus mentions magoi tribes medes variety reasons magi members priestly tribe median origin western iran persians responsible liturgical functions maintaining knowledge holy occult supremacy median priesthood western iran established time median monarchy dominated persians eighth century half sixth century revolt cyrus great persians indebted medes political civil institutions hypotheses advanced existence magi persian origin achaemenid period boyce maintain median origin demonstrated eposide revolt gaumata magian mentioned darius inscription bisutun iran greek sources herodotus insists idea usurpatory power medes persians conspiracy magi fact magi members tribe handed sacerdotal arts hereditary fashion naturally exclude possibility undertook secular prefessions attested elamite tablets persepolis theses giuseppe messina denies magi members ethnic group suggesting simply members priesthood priesthood purely zoroastrian origin thesis untenable hand hypothesis related avestan term magavan derived gathic maga vedic magha gift foundation mole meaning maga found conformity pahlavi tradition context concept purity separation mixture opposed principles spirit matter maga erroneously interpreted chorus root mangh sing magic song nyberg rendered simply expression unio mystica ecstatic condition opens mind spiritual vision case relation persian term magu avestan terms magavan maga maintain clear distinction magi avestan priesthood avesta ignores median persian term recent hypothesis proposed bailey persian inscriptions ignore avestan term priest athravan vedic athravan present achaeminid setting elamite tablets persepolis gershevitch term magu present zoroastrianism history pahlavi terms mogh mard mobad represent continuation derives older form magupati head magi sasanid period seventh centuries formation hierarchically organized church title mobadan mobad high priest high priests designate summit ecclesiastical hierarchy magi practiced consanguineous marriage khvaetvadatha pahl khwedodah performed characteristic funeral rite exposure corpse animals vultures remove flesh cleanse corpse supposed decompose contaminated demons putrefaction practice typical entire zoroastrian community rise complex funeral ritual iran parsis india stone towers dakhmas built rite time herodotus practice exposure corpse vogue magi persians generally sprinkled corpse buried practice widespread peoples central asia magi technicians experts worship impossible offer sacrifices presence magus performance ritual sacrifice magus sang theogony magi possibly custodians tradition sacred poetry relationship tradition parts avesta called interpret dreams divine future magi practice killing harmful ahrimanical animals khrafstra snakes ants dressed median style wearing pants tunics coats sleeves wore characteristic head covering felt tiara strips sides cover nose mouth rituals avoid contaminating consecrated objects breath boyce color caps conformity tradition indo european origin georges dumezil priesthood white likelihood achaemenid period magi possession defined body doctrine probable gradually adopted zoroastrianism clergy consisting professional priests tied rigid orthodoxy naturally inclined eclecticism syncretism nonetheless jealous guardians patrimony zorastrian traditions virtue educators royal princes wisest responsible teaching prince magic zarathushtra horomazes cult gods magi excelled virtues entrusted education prince learn courageous master achaemenid period magi maintained position great influence subordinate emperor dramatic events massacre suffered death gaumata magian herodotus calls smerdis persians killed large number magi avenge usurpation magi managed maintain influence court media persia regions empire stationed consequence persian civilian military administration priesthood antiquity famous magi renowned followers zarathushtra zoroaster teachers greatest greek thinkers pythagoras democritus plato wise arrived guided star manger newborn savior bethlehem propagators cult india chaldeans priesthood babylon occultism reason term magos pejorative sense greek expert magic arts bidez cumont chaldeans experts types magical arts astrology reputation wisdom knowledge understand reasons discordant views distinguish magi iran proper called western magi hellenized achaemenid period part zoroastrian western magi iranian diaspora asia minor syria mesopotamia armenia contact diverse religious traditions sooner varying degrees influenced syncretic concepts greeks familiar kinds magi depending varying concerns emphasize aspect classical historians geographers including herodotus strabo document customs philosophers dwell doctrines dualism belief magian cosmology cosmogony theology eschatology sources interested doctrines magi speak zarathushtra magus repeating magi median achaemenid periods adopted zoroastrianism time embraced zarathushtra venerable zoroastrianism undergone profound transformations eastern community time acheamenids adapting elements archaic religion refused attempt characterize precise role magi zoroastrian tradition vendidad daevo data abjuring daivas part avesta attributed collection texts periods primarily concerned purificatory rules practices nonetheless hypothesis plausible chapter vendidad list sixteen lands created ahura mazda supreme zoroastrianism contaminated attack ahriman pahl gathic avestan angra mainyu supreme ultimate source evil suffering mention western iran persia media land ragha mentioned text median raghiana noted gershevitch authors magi absence reference western iranian institutions including priesthood strange magi means zoroastrian tradition corpus avesta transmitted half millennium principal merit attribute directly magi formulation iranian dualism assumed greek sources part pahlavi literature ninth tenth centuries formulation poles dualism longer gathas spenta mainyu beneficent spirit angra mainyu hostile spirit ahura mazda angra mainyu gershevitch ahura mazda angra mainyu trans formation immense consequence historical development zoro astrianism determined contact magi mesopotamian religious world dualism greeks aristotle eudemus rhodes theopompus affirmation current thought zoroastrianism give zurvanism zurvanism adherence zoroastrianism magi played enormously important role transmission zarathushtra treachings definition forms assume historically natural propensity eclecticism syncretism helped diffusion zoroastrian ideas communities iranian diaspora greeks began study doctrines interest xanthus lydia hermodorus aristotle theopompus hermippus dinon writing treatises persian religion titles fragments survived hellenistic period magi secular school wisdom writings magic astrology alchemy lent authority prestigious names zarathushtra ostanes hystaspes forming abundant apocryphal literature bidez cumont eschatology apocalyptics fertile meeting ground iranian judeo christian religions famous oracles hystaspes work iranian roots undeniable dates beginning christian century widengren zoroastrian doctrine savior future saoshyant basis story coming magi bethlehem gospel matthew saoshyant sasanid period magi play determining role religious history iran concerned back western magi menasce eager consolidate zoroastrianism national religion iran priests iranian sanctuaries media persia able establish true state church strongly hierarchical endowed orthodoxy based formation canon scriptures leading figures development state religion zoroastrian orthodoxy tosar kerder persecutors mani century saoshyant avestan term saoshyant future benefactor mpers soshans designates savior world arrive future time redeem humankind concept future savior fundamental notions zoro astrianism dualism appears early gathas zarathushtra zoroaster prophet religion shyant performs works frashokereti present state world existence rehabilitated made splendid frashokereti zoroastrian doctrine developed notion true eschatological myth expanded number saoshyants saviors born seed zarathushtra preserved ages lake kansaoya identified present lake helmand seistan iran protected fravashis guardian spirits greatest awaited saoshyants victorious astvatereta embodies truth vispataurvairi conquers make existence splendid appears yashts arrival humankind longer subject death corruption granted unlimited power time dead resurrected living immortal indestructable brandishing weapon kills powerful enemies world truth world spirit asha astvatereta corporeal existence render imperishable comrades engage great battle forces evil destroyed astvatereta result theological speculation kellens brothers ukhshyatereta makes truth grow ukhshyatnemah makes reverence grow names virgins yashts impregnated seed zarathushtra bathe lake kansaoya give birth saoshyants equally speculative saoshyants arrive beginning millennium initiating cycle existence astvatereta final millennium save mankind doctrine future savior shape archaemenid period sixth fourth century principal element formation messianic idea determining factor enjoyed great success hellenistic period confines iranian world similar concept future buddha maitreya indebted christian messianism trace roots source 
clarification personal position organization duck pond public unix guest lines article hudson paul hudson writes article dlecoint acns darius lecointe writes violate sunday forgiven jesus sunday holy recognized holy jesus recognized holy days passover acts layed gentiles sabbath list epistles instruct people christians living people problem scriptures telling days esteemed alike romans judge regard kind food jewish holy days regard sabbath question authority proclaim requirements fourth commandment longer relevant modern christians sabbath command totally irrelevant modern christians collosions judged regard keeping sabbath running word jesus superseded word jesus follow morality commandments prophets word jesus morality follow 
kill sword killed sword organization barn data center lines article stephen writes article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes happy people including innocent kids died today amazing automatically blames side thing koresh chance defend statements lacking fact court sponsored verification made agents participated situation killed murdered branch davidians fire suicidede sick batf spokepeople make comments advance forensic pathology stephen speed kinda numb thought happen week things obvious start armed camps yields slaughtered spark sets koresh company stockpiled weapons batf primed raid bingo notice peaceful attempt serve warrant months develop scene days children adults beginning batf agents dead painful point davidians fired batf roof taking cover asked questions entire video sequences opening rounds recall missing parts minutes shooting part happened feds video units carry helmet cams camera crews live transmission video present uninterrupted record realize units carry ittle bitty backups hold minutes unit twounits professional handhelds tape turnover gaps views premature point fingers direction point stephen batf touched mistake maliciously koresh shot disregarding religious leader apocalyptically obsessed people inside drill batf lesson automatic responses hazardous resort measures hard toremain human full pressure hazard game playing life painful point side backed defuse situation problem constantly flaming problems nuff point dies intended sides kill maintain innocence contradiction terms painful point sides situation adds fuel fire burn true pick unpopular side point evidence alternatively happened christ coin sanction roman authority unduly showed noted caesar minting give waste time back worthwhile concerns requires interested note outstanding overt problem country today government caesar coin debt anti movement today anti ssan groups note issuing authority ditto american people federal government spent deserves coin made image fewpeople hear contradiction money made image stir things larger revo revo revolution governments turn wrong pundits years onyl good thing divorce exposure damned pardon american divorce attorney money left lose taxes inflation painful point entertainment thumbs thumbs thriller terminator good ball game lesson jaded media reality children dead thinks blaming koresh batf helps sick wrong reason batf straight leaders press conferences havew made comments possibility koresh followers caused batf agentss concerned repuations morals fault koresh dead children koresh followers dead painful point burned davidians burned case society abandoned people returned frontier outskirts bumping suburbs lesson lawful areas society depends conditions laws power favoritism personal opinion history privilege replaced token objective justice society hitlerrs learn lessons make honest effort conflagration doubt closer home putting fires important concerns work sake proud stephen hard keeping voice wilderness save generation unborn horror kent cheers today bomb thrower loving irra tional direct benefit able things perspective abomb protect society society redemption aint redundant christian belief aytall peacefully enjoin thoreau called civil disobedience rectify wrongs society practises undue harm punishment befalling society ceased human society society animals cclose hurts died loved left lessons time grieve including lost faith learning patient things heal years fighting unjust court issue struggling patient contrary questions branch davidian official hater hate liars letter variety official side advocates lets balance equation questions side sake batf bypass innocent proven guilty innocent presumed guilty video tapes tanks exist standard equipment koresh fired place explosion tear aerosol spread aerosol deliberately made flammable flammable gotcha isolation substances pipe deliveryu system remote launchers announce window blown tear minutes wall maintain left sequence aerosols secondary compound mixed flammable difficult trace suspension special property exposure eruptions high heat muzzle blasts long exposure heat matches stove tend ignite chemicals forensics allowed test site minutes hours ifdesired combnation rate controlled desired mixture made veryignitable exposure temperature point tracer round heat quantity small explosive charge length time start wall fire wait check military records tapes tanks large capacity delivey systems tear somnorifics hurry comm channel open trace fire coming back compound videos videos missing sound paranoid trust batf render judgement advance court surely helping trut federal gevernment give clean slate trillion admitted counting happen wait court decide happen people chance side batf leader camera wins force time listen hearts people stephen stephen andrew crabtree haired king andrew virtuous crabtree iron workers 
question sabbath question correction organization cadence design systems lines groups continue christians worship sabbath saturday seventh adventists jehovah witnesses argue regular worship service special meeting paul explicitly regular worship service jehovah witnesses christians required observe sabbath saturday sunday sabbath part covenent israelites required christians steve peterson 
christian owned organization list organization microsoft corp distribution lines article engr arizona wrote mormons generally considered christians kcochran tsakc thoughts posts ideas responsibility beer pizza pumps purse shade perfume whispers back green laurie morgan matter christian belong church church jesus christ saints read informative stop people world forced ancestors deserts utah country grandmother born mexico family moved escape religious persecution admit members churches christians christ follow teachings interpretations bible churches define considered christian mail rules beliefs christian rules exclude large bodies believers waste time discussed times guess sensitive demonization texas corbitt donc mail flames post apologies support short sigs lines rebuttal flame 
good jesus died organization starfleet headquarters francisco lines brian arizona brian ceccarelli writes bskendig brian kendig writes maintain people enter light knowledge masters fear afraid face world terms master habits break habit break make sacrifice make break habits mine decided effort break habits decided worth effort break choice master choose weigh benefits actions consequences experience deal unexpected turn make experienced succeed fail learn habits break unable master lack desire understand slightest concept bible arrived understanding christianity arrived understanding islam moslem thinks religion unable master lack desire understand slightest concept quran accuse accuse desire understand slightest concept atheism sexual sins gotta secret desires head harbor control dehumanize women walk past degrade object head disgusting centuries religions discriminating treating women class humans reasons renounced christianity insult people unknowingly regret time opportunity presents insult people period nature master life ground practice admitted master thought life times things repeat mistake unwantingly admitted control aspect times times simply forget lesson fact master start perfect strive shortcomings strengths live life decisions make content abide consequences decisions easily accept praise times life made mistakes make mistake jesus promised offer willfully jesus master jesus regard christ myth feel people offering interpretations supposedly person judge choose roads travel decide reach road turn back long turn back shame seek friends point rock great sunlight life improved immesurably abandoned theism join difficult trip build muscles long hike worth guess ignorance bliss brian enjoy clue bible clue open eyes open ears listen spouting empty words life meaning accept witness eyes experience senses mega powerful accept surely strongly good reason witness motherly love senses caring concern register senses registers taste smell hear touch vulcan fast emotions track mother loves point definite things bring face face deity loves convince exists cease existing life forever choose live hell eternal torment communication whatsoever choose live paradise issue made theism made wishful thinking dangles heaven carrot promising untold pleasures suspend disbelief ignore rationality choose hell placate matter powerful note gods lure yahweh allah zeus odin give solid reason choose description kendigism deleted live good life contradict reason live good life good life good dies reason lead good life leading good life meaningless meaningless thing paragraph demonstrates listened single word amusement park hours closes dollars lighter amusement park good meaningless thing answer play skee ball stuffed animal blow dollars ride roller coaster thrilling experience scares dickens life intend leave amusement park life close night feel sacrificing jesus worship sacrifice temporary case important resurrection sunk jesus alive jesus dead holy book token santa claus delivers toys xmas reason true give reason similarly apply santa claus forget bible minute forget quoting verses forget show picture wide open hilltop convince forget person forget type forget sentence forget send mail forget existence proove exist existence means communications bearing importance life remove cease significant inferring deity collection verses book supported invoking existence deity fact deity written real existence brian kendig suis fait comme aucun bskendig ceux croire etre fait comme aucun ceux existent meaning life vaux mieux moins suis autre ends rousseau 
hating sinner organization panix public access unix distribution lines consequences homophobic ranting righteous noted group thought pass context talk origins report debate attempt mindless bullying factless assertion standard issue creationist writer reflects behavior reported reminds christian groups writer homosexual christian effective technique promote unit cohesion soldiers lord called witnessing process poorly devil worship mention group witnessing people lathered kill homosexuals terrorize campus deleted specifics location characteristic place state spent formative years subpopulation remark fits michael siemon gods sons high fall prince psalm 
promise chronicles organization university buffalo lines news software vnews nntp posting host ubvmsb buffalo meet hear judah benjamin lord seek found forsake forsake chronicles 
thief paradise kermit tangent organization university buffalo lines news software vnews nntp posting host ubvmsb buffalo kermit tensmeyer quoted sources wrote attempt construct facsimile previously address kermit offering john redelfs originally wrote learned frustrate justice repenting death repentance feeling remorse requires faith christ proven keeping commandments accomplished deathbed albrecht responded jesus lied thief cross john redelfs wrote back paradise salvation thing salvation refer john responded john effort equate salvation paradise implied fact saved enter paradise kermit wrote incomplete reference discussion jesus hell biblestudy group arguments paradise hell sheol places death discussion involved argued standard christian argument bible pretty support position christ paridise death burial taught prisoners freed darkness resurrected ascended father arguement centered proper biblical terms places respond question raised jesus infernal paradise entering heaven made point issue compared position orthodox belief infernal paradise held abraham bosom luke place righteous dead sheol equivalent hades point raised john repent death albrecht pointed biblical contradictory john position forward thief cross promised christ paradise abode righteous dead john position possibly reworked kermit address topic hand robert weiss psyrobtw buffalo 
davidians compassion organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article mlee royalroads malcolm wrote judge christians acts call christian contradicted scripture actions christian simple read media portrayed true believing christian find deny association adventists denied ties cult satanists followers obscure religion christians unison condemn make show case dealing fanatical revelation preacher kills ultimately including innocent children dealing christians christians note spelling judge muslims acts committed saddam hussein supposedly devout muslim saddam dictator religious beliefs people ends show dangers religion order word mind virus make mothers capable letting small children burn ashes scream cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
davidians compassion organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article arromdee arromdee wrote article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes highly christian religious order fire house killing people inside cultists burned house batf government word people started knock search concussion grenades disinterested observers videos fire started places time planned action batf deliberately start fire sniper kill korresh easier method careful operation tear start fires case bets fanatical people keen start armageddon cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
davidians compassion organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article arromdee arromdee wrote article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes highly christian religious order fire house killing people inside cultists burned house batf government word people started knock search concussion grenades disinterested observers point made inside burning houses stay alive building case agent drag women burning house back forces arriving good indication fanatical mind followers including children burned saving innocent victims instance cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
kind loving organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article mlee royalroads malcolm wrote understand sympathize pain happened waco tradgedy christians branch davidians organized religion cult maniac cult leader christian faith stands shoulders lord lords king kings jesus christ david koresh jesus christ claimed interesting notion watched tonight koresh claimed officially jesus christ believers hoped standpoint interested breaking seals revelation make armageddon start children died saved kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
kill sword killed sword organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article stephen wrote tional direct benefit able things perspective hurts died loved left lessons time grieve including lost faith learning patient things heal christians ages learn patient time face reality events days showed world kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
clarification organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article thyagi portal thyagi morgoth nagasiva wrote considered largely unrelated number sources documentation links figure spencer lewis lewis apparently involved reuss ordo templi orientis years apparently true lewis charter form body created subsidiary interesting question interested history amorc spencer lewis published books beginning mission alexandria bookstore book store operated amorc selection provide interested reader insight cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
treatise miracles muhammad part organization univ wisconsin madison electrical computer engineering distribution lines droplet part vast ocean miraculous translations arabic turkish writings bediuzzaman nursi risale noor part nineteenth letter jizat ahmediye risalesi treatise miracles muhammed part continued droplet part sign miracles muhammad extremely varied messengership universal distinguished miracles relate species creation supreme aide renowned ruler arriving gifts city people live welcomed representative people acclaims bids language supreme messenger monarch post eternity ezel ebed sultani honored universe coming envoy inhabitants earth brought light truth spiritual gifts creator universe derived realities universe species creation water rocks trees animals human beings moon stars welcomed acclaimed prophethood language bearing miracles require voluminous work mention miracles punctilious scholars written volumes proofs prophethood briefly point general category fall miracles definite accepted accurate reports evidences prophethood muhammad fall main categories called irhasat includes paranormal events happened time birth declaration prophethood group pertains remaining evidences prophethood subdivisions wonders manifested departure world order confirm prophethood exhibited prophethood parts evidences prophethood manifest personality outer moral conduct perfection miracles related substantial matters part branches spirituality relating matter creation branch divided categories involves paranormal happenings occured mission break stubbornness unbelievers augment faith belivers category twenty sorts splitting moon flowing water fingers satisfying large numbers food speaking trees rocks animals sons instances meaning strength confirmation consensus category includes events lying future occured predicted allah instructions starting category summarize list unfonunately write intended choice wrote head dictated completely conform order classification continued allah irfan alan servant islam 
christians clarification personal position organization duck pond public unix guest lines article vnet traff writes article dlecoint acns darius lecointe writes question authority proclaim requirements fourth commandment longer relevant modern christians christians saved adherence exists sinful case refers christians jews sins atoned blood sacrifice animals testament time heard jewish animal sacrifice christians sins atoned blood sacrifice jesus blood sacrifice innocent make irrelevant christians follow follow commandments breaking sinful avoid sinful ways sinning jeopardize salvation short hitler heaven gandhi hell note theologian gist sermons heard bible studies great deceiver pulling 
merlin mithras magick organization oregon health sciences university lines nntp posting host facman kosinski oracle kevin osinski writes recall reading michael rutherford sarum scene roman nobleman living britain takes part secret ceremony involving bull stands naked covered sort scaffolding assistants coax bull stand scaffolding fatally stab bull douses worshipper blood supposedly sort rite passage members bull cult related mithras cult rutherford information chapter book historical fiction general events place largely based historical accounts rite joseph campbell occidental mythology levels initiation campbell info remember thinking eclectic connection ancient bull cults current practice bullfighting popular mediterranean cultures read campbell give larry caldwell caldwell compuserve oregon health sciences university 
davidians compassion organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines highly christian religious order fire house killing people inside annoyed adults knew supposedly actions angry fact people inside including mothers children suffer awful conditions considered religious proud follow fanatical compassionate religions purpose spare innocent young hard time understanding christianity word compassion christians actions today produce good picture religion kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
kind loving organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article mlee royalroads malcolm wrote true stated jesus saving grace jews words salvation option open people jews jews accept deity christ expect accept christ feel animosity persecuted jesus disciples eventually crucified bear feel pity jesus price sins jews fulfilling prophesy jesus knew began ministry demonstrates great depth love jesus demonstrated great depth love children died today davidian complex events today made negative concering organized religion cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
misc taoism reply uphrrmk oscs montana jack coyote organization lines sunlight shining ocean aleph null bottles beer wall aleph null bottles beer pass aleph null bottles beer wall 
lanphier organization lunar planetary laboratory tucson lines dear read brian postings find honestly seeking truth read response condescension reply post reply post quote statement undermines good points make stop reading condesending times reproach time learned people respond gentle approach respond harsh rebuke brian responds glad responds cases approach intention loving making excuse coming condesending apologize brian honest brian vasillates back post honest excuse explain universe words brian kendig comfortable excuses brian honest questions stop asserting irrelevant excuses brian read bible decisions sidetracked temptation mock perspective brian kendig standing middle highway distance mack truck heading brian faced oncoming truck dialog brian step truck turn healthier oncoming truck explain trucks exist turn hiking tomorrow tuesday blind fool choose ignorance lose lose life squashed road life lose truck running harm open mind motivation belittle brian love brian single brian kendig millions billions people fall category people fall fallen category time lives truck brian hope brian ramifications truck coming hope brian step fear brian choose glue middle highway chooses chooses change mind choice moment brian point moves eyeball appease head turn entire picture satisfied glimpse mountains distance reproach wife tells thing times 
good jesus died organization lunar planetary laboratory tucson lines burhill writes word witness peter testify events surrounding jesus life problems brian kendig writes peter died millenia original letters wrote long decayed dust alive today question existence alexander great tilgrath pilisar nero caligula josephus cyrus great artexerxes documents decayed dust brian excuse peter witness miracles jesus millenia deity bible satan convince nice deity alive active world today peter wrote bible peter bible bible court recording period thousands years people testify experience living abraham wealthy rancher moses high official egypt elijah priest david mere shepherd king pagan king nebuchanezzar pagan king persia cyrus nehemiah cupbearer king persia matthew agent takes stand luke paul kill christians john year peter fishermen james brother jesus hundreds hear testimony fishermen agents priests kings court hearing lasts thousands years people coming testifying calls listening stuff realize king david john solomon matthew nehemiah peter realize people independent witnesses rule collaboration witnesses testifier tells experiences living experience experience cross unmistakenly reveal people talking daniel highest official babylon revealed john years perspective testimonies identical testimony dares venture witness testimony prior consistently describes harmoniously fitting facets character stare gazing computer fanatic revealed calls jesus john telling truth wonderful pass testimony fictiousness call thousand years worth testimony shepherds agents royal officials kings computer programmers fiction scoff keyboard complete ignorance testimonies complete hooey audacious display arrogance king solomon king david abraham lincolnr 
disillusioned protestant finds christ organization university buffalo lines news software vnews nntp posting host ubvmsb buffalo article freenet john redelfs writes previous article tredydev unisys albrecht article jesus lied thief cross paradise salvation thing salvation refer john effort equate salvation paradise implied fact saved enter paradise robert weiss psyrobtw buffalo 
abortion private health insurance lines dzkriz berkeley dennis kriz writes recently aware health insurance includes coverage abortion strongly oppose abortion reasons conscience disturbs deeply premiums sincerely murder request exempted abortion coverage health premiums reduced share dennis outrage similar manner recently aware health insurance includes coverage illness injuries suffered christians disturbs deeply premiums sincerely divine punishment sinful conduct addition folks able avail alternative therapies lourdes fatima morris cerullo benny hinn case jesus saves feel reason covering bets expense request exempted christian coverage health premiums reduced jack carroll 
good jesus died organization starfleet headquarters francisco lines brian arizona brian ceccarelli writes brian kendig writes explain death jesus good thing glad hear convert warned heard common arguments convince jesus john mystery persuasive argument read jesus reply question john assuredly grain wheat falls ground dies remains dies produces grain loves life lose hates life world eternal life serves follow servant serves father honor eternal life hate created deity deity enjoy live forever challenge life give life meaning time someday pass content live memories friends dead longer reason exist short deity exist automatically worship content live life fend proud fact matter actions choices decides toss flaming cease exist respect obedience earn strong true jesus reasons john obvious reason jesus died punishment rise life stop doubting john fact jesus rose dead hope rise dead obvious point overlook obvious point hope faith vanity jesus rose dead osiris characters greek norse legend memory serves rise dead jesus suffer death jesus jesus john mystery world hates reason direct proclamation humans botch things saviour devotion provide resort blind faith applied equally religion brian accept world accept sees john precisely zeus odin offer devotion offer jesus animosity lack knowledge twistings robert daily verses convincing testimony truth john understand point view christians spouting bible verse time sort magic spell level opposition truth robert demonstrated understands verses imply rattles brazenly face common sense reality point christians explain verses words christian point view human christian understood christian message properly strife suffering earth problem substitute moslem buddhist satanist christian means thing christanity nice belief nice book make bearing real world convincing pray hope blurt animosity lack knowledge perfect jesus revealed bumbling blindly arrogantly slandering person created loves opinion bumbling blindly making entities depriving true understanding enjoyment life long beliefs beliefs start waving expect toss opinions brian kendig suis fait comme aucun bskendig ceux croire etre fait comme aucun ceux existent meaning life vaux mieux moins suis autre ends rousseau 
language agreement organization intelligent systems program lines responded articles today neglected respond hypocrite responding stupid article mitre james meritt writes handy dictionary dictionary definitions disagree agree deleted operationally differentiate disagree agree weary wade repertoire herrings smoke screens articles posted today discord filter markov chain program steve lamont kind send taking action white geese held accomplice held decision door black white goose waddles past eyes door hits confidence interval individual held responsible individual held getaway held uncountably large number driver agree black goose waddles past person imprisoned white goose waddles past confidence interval population geese axed fine white goose waddles past door running articles discord make coherent coherent discord turned articles angst ridden poem making choices world filled uncertainty held responsible choices make geese symbolize frustration ambiguity desire black white shades gray getaway renounce existential nature responsibility actions role passive accomplice driver getaway juxtaposition machine driver reveal subtext internal conflict determinism moral responsibility reading collaboration random number generator 
catholic crit nntp posting host camelot bradley organization society preservation cruelty homophobes lines foster maintech writes surprised saddened expect kind behavior evangelical born gospel thumping face true christian protestants thought catholics behaved stoop level protestants witness strident intrusive loud insulting overbearingly righteous pleading mode begging quit confusing religious groups stop making generalizations protestant evangelical creation scientist homosexuals hung toenails discuss bible thumpers singling making obtuse generalizations fundamentalists compared actions presbyterians methodists southern baptists religions prejudice thinking people group write protestants evangelicals pleading mode ahold thomas stories fbzr enval jvagre fhaqnlf jura gurer yvggyr oberqbz fubhyq nyjnlf pneel fubbg lbhefrys xabj rknpgyl gung nyjnlf znxvat pubvpr yvan jregzhyyre jemaleddin sasha david cole chief knobbery research dlphknob bradley 
gordon question nicene creed organization university buffalo lines news software vnews nntp posting host ubvmsd buffalo gordon banks quoted added article psyrobtw buffalo robert weiss writes christians professed years nicene creed statement beliefs drawn truths scripture officially accepted council church bishops leaders nicea christians recite creed regularly public worship prior christians believed nicean creed formulated absurdity afraid honest nicene creed mentioned statement beliefs derived scripture list exist earlier beliefs summarized exist formula derived robert weiss psyrobtw buffalo 
stories literary critical analysis organization honest toaster emporium lines article dzkriz berkeley dennis kriz writes thought begin process initiating literary critical study pornography posted stories identify major themes motifs present stories posted opening possibility objective moral evaluation material present congratulate posting flame sick perverts immoral hell usual religious post found hierarchy flamed argued personally project built unsteady ground find objective morality morality inherently subjective represent beliefs person group people widely held overwhelmingly held objective assumptions christian bedrock assumption true stories objective standpoint majority material repugnant conclusion quickly start thinking analyzing material reflects fairly profound people truths deserve pointed accept assumptions make objective accept morality begin christian bible defeating purpose long advantage making literary moral analysis save band width christians mutually flaming moral acceptability stuff pornographic groups call pessimist stop flamage people upin sick twisted evil curiosity readers show unprovoked religion groups narrow minded censoring overbearing totalitarianists basically dissonance christian morality christian work christian provide people dinner discuss morality conservative moslem sociopath start immoral force people agree immoral gender note views homosexuality common view morality purposes moslem immoral women faces uncovered sociopath bored kills eats feels guilt wrong morally mind support assumption christian scriptures evidence deleted accept evidence accept word good valid argument person shares beliefs cataloging major themes motifs erotica interesting reasons good luck part major themes motifs pornographic literature places stories able identify comment motif male cinderella stories expressed feeling alienation worthlessness part writer protagonist story regard object person desire story involves protagonist surface average underneath enormous dick desires gain access sexual person confesses desireable walk rain drops hmm detect condescence motif celebration preoccupation beauty objective vast majority pornographic literature deals beauty innocence lost grace simply physical beauty generally people christian beauty good construe beautiful people good beautiful people hope people relize necessarily true motif dick instrument redemption suggest word penis line tone post blessed hung laid revised matthew bravo respect sense humor motif expression sincere giving clear desire part protagonist give sexual pleasure object person desires theme stories selfish point examples work sternberg motif stories describes completely removed realm transmitting life removed procreative dimension stories begins involves ejaculation context pornography serves real purpose serves purpose pornographic movies affirms virility male involved assuring reader character orgasmed picture catholic teaching husband wife total mutual giving sexual union cooperating opening transmission life humane vitae picture applies people accept church addition procreation make pleasurable people building instinct make fallible sexual encounter results pregnancy catholics sinned case stories catholic teaching long time granted motif instrument violence power humiliation pornography tend direction volumes written relationships power humiliation good reason traditionally judeo christianity negative regard sexuality tend great moral morass pornography tend directions demand people violent fantasies real life read mull jeff jeffj earlham official generic lines columns amiga checks witty quotes maps australia asterisks ascii disclaimers anti flame requests spelling errer 
kind loving news software vnews nntp posting host utarlg organization university texas arlington lines article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes article mlee royalroads malcolm wrote laws written israelites remember laws written time applied chosen people jesus changed living grace longer immediately punishable death repentance salvation lord jesus christ chosen people salvation gentile alike jews agree malcolm jews people language religiously politically jews chosen malcolm word wrap avoid clutter stephen 
kind loving organization royal roads military college victoria lines article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes article mlee royalroads malcolm wrote laws written israelites chosen people expressly rest world israelites direct witness existence disobey knowing real outright denial immediately punishable remember laws written time applied chosen people jesus changed living grace longer immediately punishable death repentance salvation lord jesus christ chosen people salvation gentile alike jews agree malcolm cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities people agree respect point jews covered saving grace jesus christ jews christians brings question ponder anti semitism people hate jews hate jews sinners 
silence concurance nntp posting host mwunix mitre organization mitre corporation mclean distribution lines article joslin pitt david joslin writes missing context thrilling discussion wrote mail pointed hate shatter image perfection hold language wrong pointed fact agree robert weiss meritt quotes context find difficult understand thinks hypocrite needless time reply article takes quote context disagree criticize person taking quote context hypocrite post response person takes quote context replied assert today find articles subject pointing specific instance wrongo case eyes aware capability taking action individual held responsible action complete herring taking quotes context crime time read article obligation reply check newsgroups silence concurrence imply thinks didn respond weiss articles condone weiss taking quotes context give direct answer question read written decide telepathy claim back context conversation gambit claim inductive logic concluded hypocrite challenged provide details logic incorrect conclusion asked specifically wrong today find obscure article posting ignorant accept classification herrings read uncountably large number articles uncountably large means axed articles weiss articles conclude inductively suprised induction written roughly case appearance argument captain kirk spock written stagehand paramount hard pattern harder induction engine pops arrogant figured 
gordon question nicene creed reply organization mayo foundation rochester campus lines nicene creed father almighty maker heaven earth things visible invisible lord jesus christ begotten begotten father worlds light light begotten made substance father things made salvation heaven incarnate holy spirit virgin mary made crucified pontius pilate suffered buried rose scriptur ascended heaven sitteth hand father glory judge quick dead kingdom holy spirit lord giver life proceedeth father father worshipped glorified spoke prophets holy apostolic church acknowledge baptism remission sins resurrection dead life world amen 
christian meta ethics organization dept university texas austin lines nntp posting host saltillo utexas summary spit lukewarm article michael siemon writes point making base commandments aren reducible rules rules moral code code algorithm acting things helpful individuals societies personal involvement responsibility actions commandments rules rules vague practically devoid meaning michael siemon acknowledges time writes resolution argument turns secular cultural assumptions independent rules great commandment call accepting ultimate responsibility action commandment love neighbor viewed part reminding ultimate responsibility traditions present interpretation believers supposed interpret loving neighbor rules relying make things precisely wrong assume ultimate responsibility confronted good sounding means reader conservatives twist rules people nasty rules insistent obvious convinced people rightly reject concept idiocy acts interpretation twisted passages bible straightforward reading show christian behaving michael refer base claims base commandments show readings twisted divergence understanding occurs interpret base claims commandments addressing conservative christians michael necessarily draw secular cultural notions conservative christians reject ethical system society eager hand matter principle critique ethical systems case profer agapate allelou base commandments vague serve principle critique ethical systems meaning base commandments believer derives secular cultural notions believer brings believer mixes demands straightforward readings biblical passages sectarian tradition combination things commandments lack sufficient substance themself serve basis criticizing ethical systems meaning ethical system believer brings commandments bodies christians beginning urged ethical systems cases result bizarre identify systems popular infamous christianity christianity torah specifically christian scripture commandments christians desperately commandments mining support single thing gospels jesus specifically commandment love jesus explicitly states summarizes jewish bring properly understand means love love neighbors parables teachings gospels attribute jesus straightforwardly read ethical commandments pauline epistles similarly full clear understanding ethical behavior problem lack material radical christian gospel michael conservative christians gospel differentiates interpret gospel myriads christians christianity sense wide variety interpretations christianity tells testament authors left sufficiently vague hodge podge serve source text vastly beliefs nature christian irony christianity michael support lesbians gays christian principle turns effective extra christian principles michael interprets religion homophobes apply christian principles equal justification short extra christian principles make michael christianity beneficial suspect beneficial moreso filtered christian interpretation michael paints picture standard american atheism rejection evil conservative christian interpretations bible damaging christianity note testament presents vague hodge podge notions nature nature good ordered interpretation relies extraneous principles apply christian parable cold drink drink lukewarm spit russell 
kill sword killed sword organization public access unix dallas lines article stephen writes chemical warfare juggernauts innocents likewise involved subject judgments lead captivity strands barbed wire webs deceit yeah innocents people hoard worth high caliber automatic weapons kill enforcement agents bill innocents children prevented leaving burning building appointed messiah parents burning started davidians patience faith saints continue rewards works quickly evidence continues mount follow step step logically stephen subject line veiled threat government agents possibly executive office leadership clinton considered loon stephen guess pretty confirms nice religion killed agree sheesh hyatt diehard saints thyat lonestar suffered arlington repressed python 
list biblical contradictions distribution organization tektronix beaverton lines brown wrote deleted feel basis arguing biblical contradictions intellectually dishonest purposefully wanting show bible worst light mentally lazy taking easy leave theist option countering version deleted simple preferred majority fundamentalists part argument fails statement version deleted based argument modern translations based work leading biblical scholars deleted find statement appeal authority opposition claim authorities tact local creationists reply scholars atheists believed phrase describe theologians agree deleted flocks conceived rods brought cattle ringstraked speckled spotted deleted verse discussed claims sympathetic magic works placing stripped sticks cattle breeding grounds stripped spotted calves born attacked basis biologist observed claimed correlation 
promise john nntp posting host organization university maryland college park lines article sieferme washington eric sieferman writes article pharvey paul harvey writes article human blood sacrifice martyrdom innocent virgin nailed wooden pole obsession male menstruation christian washed blood lamb mithraist washed blood bull netland process devising religion lamb bull reserved choose animal preferably endangered species list cockroaches porta monkey fluffy tail rabbit rabbit tazmanian devil 
ancient order oriental templars organization virginia tech computer science dept blacksburg lines distribution world nntp posting host csugrad article thyagi portal thyagi morgoth nagasiva writes concern constitution sacrificed bandwidth gods glad finally heard finally stop content knowlege interested tough listening religions refer truth possibly accept magical order answers give join dues scary answers easy questions story rintaw napier virginia tech gravity earth sucks rnapier schitz hall 
robert weiss orthodox christian organization brigham young university lines robert making references orthodox belief things held kermit thread exact body theology drawing call orthodox holds luke meant meant personal interpretation biblical passages challenged response bible order truth biblical things differently simply assume understands curious rick anderson librba bitnet 
biblical backing koresh tape cites enclosed lines organization university massachusetts lowell article netd writes article stephen writes david koresh solid structure sound biblical backing hour long tape broadcast cares solid structure sermon deaths responsible concern people assume evidence responsible deaths koresh evidence type slowly understand fire told followers make martyr killed killed proof suicide considered branch davidians koresh commit suicide cult experts suicidal david thibedeau cult members fire started tanks spraying tear facilities knocked lantern evil inside compound evidence thou shalt kill stuff point bible commit murder translation mistranslates defense considered murder reason stockpiling weapons afraid government fears founded cote government government 
biblical backing koresh tape cites enclosed lines organization university massachusetts lowell article xcpslf stephen favor writes koresh messenger killed message carried character messenger reckon find rest hard koresh killed wanted lots illegal guns suppose illegal guns found suppose kill bunch people cote government government 
gordon objections reply pitt gordon banks organization univ pittsburgh computer science lines article psyrobtw buffalo robert weiss writes gordon banks quoted added article psyrobtw buffalo robert weiss writes mormon jesus spirit brother lucifer jesus father born spirit child jesus begotten earth natural means holy ghost sweat blood sins garden gethsemane blood cleanse millions gods jesus jehovah father elohim jehovah elohim needed saved true mormons spirits including jesus lucifer robert weiss family jesus created lucifer robert weiss agree heresy sweating blood gethsemene basic mormon doctrine jesus perform atonement getheseme anti mormons teach unpardonable biblical specifically mormon called holy ghost bible scholars conservative jehovah elohim heard texts needed saved jesus jehovah elohim mormon doctrine jesus sinless saved gordon banks skepticism chastity intellect pitt shameful surrender 
biblical backing koresh tape cites enclosed organization lines cotera ulowell writes david thibedeau cult members fire started tanks spraying tear facilities knocked lantern sort leary tank theory moo knapp 
kind loving organization royal roads military college victoria lines article lanph csrv uidaho lanphier writes malcolm mlee royalroads wrote reference leviticus deuteronomy laws written israelites chosen people expressly rest world israelites direct witness existence disobey knowing real outright denial immediately punishable remember laws written time applied chosen people jesus changed living grace longer immediately punishable death repentance salvation lord jesus christ chosen people salvation gentile alike book applied israelites deuteronomy jesus quoted addition alludes places case clear jesus thought testament obsolete repeat verse matthew quoted group abolish prophets abolish fulfill truth heaven earth disappear smallest letter stroke means disappear accomplished breaks commandments teaches called kingdom heaven practices teaches commands called great kingdom heaven righteousness surpasses pharisees teachers enter kingdom heaven pretty letters jesus talking dilemma christians testament apply paul harvey likes quoting lanphier lanph clarify earlier quote laws originally written israelites jesus changed fact making applicable people jews gentiles part kingdom heaven saving grace made obsolete jesus clarified quote made verses jesus takes portions expounds giving clearer meaning intended notice reams pharisees mucking contrived interpretations knew letter heads hearts points righteousness surpass pharisees order accepted kingdom heaven people pharisees debate number angels dance head legalistic rule makers religious lawyers practiced letter believed agree today world modern pharisees bible good head knowledge heart christianity rules lifestyle perspectives personal conduct demands obedience people live choice respect respects malcolm 
biblical backing koresh tape cites enclosed organization twentieth century lines cotera ulowell writes proof suicide considered branch davidians koresh commit suicide cult experts suicidal david thibedeau cult members fire started tanks spraying tear facilities knocked lantern places coincidence faults fact responsibility deaths lies koresh moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke clive retract foreskin misconception james trinity college dublin apply wire brush enlightenment geoffm brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza 
kind loving organization royal roads military college victoria lines article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes article mlee royalroads malcolm wrote understand sympathize pain happened waco tradgedy christians branch davidians organized religion cult maniac cult leader christian faith stands shoulders lord lords king kings jesus christ david koresh jesus christ claimed interesting notion watched tonight koresh claimed officially jesus christ believers hoped standpoint interested breaking seals revelation make armageddon start children died saved kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities scripture hour coming angels heaven father play breaking seals killed followers save children heaven place faith malcolm 
risen organization imperial college parapsychology group lines nntp posting host utexas remark heard david koresh risen dead dont true told 
merlin mithras magick organization science applications corp computer systems operation lines caldwell ohsu larry caldwell writes evidently feast bread wine mithras wondered yeshua intentionally introduced ritual expand appeal religion appropriated worshipers argue wanted reasonable argument point fact remembrance feast similar pesach passover meal seder jewish ritual fact appears abuse early church people eating real concern passover meals treating meal respect shows simplifying ritual bread wine dealing inherent problems people human nature essentials remembrance aspects david whitten saic speak company 
sword organization utexas mail news gateway lines nntp posting host utexas deuteronmy lord hath delivered thine hands thou shalt smite male thereof edge sword joshua utterly destroyed city bith women young sheep edge sword joshua lord delivered lachish hand israel smote edge sword souls libnah 
mormons jews organization university virginia lines john berryhill writes hope people pick noses driving lump blatant fundamentalist pickers give rest hard discreet stay alert peter yadlowsky wake light academic computing center university virginia companion keyboard basho 
religion history real discuss organization lines reply mike michael helm nntp posting host matthew huntbach writes real christian born fundamental biblical conversion regeneration part small based cult born specifically undergone sort ecstatic experience fact easily manufactured psychological manipulation insultingly dismissive christianity intellectual result cults dismissive term pretty respectable neiborly resemble branch davidians confusing mistake live live folks uncover extremist loonies catholic anti abortion movement hard cases heard people line catholics real christians sending missionaries ireland taking line content christianity maintained ireland traditional catholic form agree matthew encountered anti catholic religion propaganda emotion bigotry members religious groups practice missionary work zeal catholics united states raised catholic rhetoric pretty putting work environment popular anti clericalism follow longer relevant celtic issues 
learned waco wackos keywords prophet profit organization public access unix denver math dept distribution lines important things glean mess start desperate answer question natural pinkboys darn means plenty made false jesus business enterprising subgenii remember separated pinks green blow automatic weapons mexico swiss bank account smile flunkies hand flowers airports shrug long start bulldada david koresh hand started swallowing apocalypso crap working crossword puzzles bahamas today contributing mulch layer waco start shooting cops shoot back shots short barnum stupidity correcting endeth lesson doge south louis dobbs approved media conspirator step sundays louis community radio dobbs 
biblical backing koresh tape cites enclosed nntp posting host apollo organization hewlett packard corporation chelmsford lines article cotera ulowell writes article netd writes article stephen writes david koresh solid structure sound biblical backing hour long tape broadcast cares solid structure sermon deaths responsible concern people assume evidence responsible deaths koresh evidence liar surrender local radio stations broadcast message didn surrender passover didn excuses gross incompetence disregard safety children displayed feds pointed chelsea clinton restraint peter 
rosicrucian order organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet tony alicea nntp posting host hela cwru previous article sandvik apple kent sandvik depends interested find latest status legal battle kent post email discussion appreciated hate invading newsgroups themes limited interest tony 
mormons jews distribution organization university pittsburgh lines article king john king writes virginia pete yadlowsky writes didn christ disciples shortly crusifiction exact quote lines sell sword preached love deference power renunciation worldly life exchange life spirit jesus fact command disciples reason reject christian doctrine worth religions doctrine good reject current implementations doctrine classic taking scripture context luke note written accomplished reckoned lawless stated swords group carry counted lawless politically correct number weapons arresed killed jesus overiding message peace turn cheek live sword sword matthew suppose bring peace earth peace bring sword rich loether snail mail university pittsburgh ideas email computing info services mine voice epsilon drive pittsburgh mine 
jewish history question organization netcom online communication services guest lines article misrael uottawa mark israel writes article cocoa writes deleted told testament books translated greek long time famous version called septuagint translation made greek jews originals destroyed fire afterward referring jersusalem temple destroyed manuscripts lost extant hebrew manuscripts good greek originals person telling septuagint version greeks wonderful library alexandria full manuscripts scrolls burned septuagint version translated conceal versions part typical burning valuable things occurs power groups dunno wondering imagine jewish people copies earlier hebrew versions hebrew version testament greek derived version famous discrepancies isaiah prophecy young woman changed virgin testament writers read answer deleted jewish bookstore bible translated jews differences interpretation text translating basically read original interlinear bible hebrew testament greek testament english translation written underneath word bible possibly original basic text find samaritan bible good luck samaritans good samaritans version books moses claim jewish bible altered ezra tips find teach samaritan good samaritan hard find hard finish chocolatier arms castle wetware liason mail cocoa voicemail 
info organization university virginia lines suggestion exposing douglas groothuis 
abortion private health coverage letters lines article nyikos scarolina peter nyikos rocker rocker writes dzkriz berkeley dennis kriz writes paying private health insurance plan abortion coverage reason person complelled compelled lipposuction coverage kind coverage stunningly ignorant underlying concept health insurance stunningly ignorant heard life insurance premiums companies give nonsmokers charged smaller premiums smokers mention auto insurance cheaper women women average drive carefully fact carefully people mentioned reason insurers offer contract abortion services premium problem guarantee premium lower chose type contract removing service feedbacks types covered care results increase actuarial costs illustrative opposite direction services insurance contract reduce premium preventative services reduces acute care total premium fall words thoughts bound swear allegiance word master storm carries port make shea home 
kind loving organization royal roads military college victoria lines article lanph csrv uidaho lanphier writes malcolm mlee royalroads wrote nazis white supremists christian classify christian follow teachings christ love love neighbour love enemies jesus christ lord saviour persecution jews violating precepts christ died direct violation teachings christ jesus crucified jewish leaders time loved enemies father forgiveness sins christian bear animosity jews enemy satan fellow mark jesus quoted believes baptized saved condemned nazis white supremisists christians feel justify actions bible bible christians supposed persecute jews love enemies christian actions speak differently tells investigation conclusions ultimately choice salvation granted grace bible clear definition christian tells christian long sins forgiven christian model oneself jesus christ implied christian head feel heart belief white supremisists nazis brand christian believing christ christian white supremists nazis brand christian hate love belief entail believing christ sins forgiven give christian free licence repent forgiveness christian lump racists accuse judging chinese racial background part visible minority country favourably looked white supremist christians call practice preach belief false concur original statement bothers people religious affiliation continue persecute jews hatred jews majority people persecute jews christians speak christians bound anti semitism bandwagon imply predominately atheists agnostics persecute jews hard pressed jewish persecution hands atheists agnostics nazis racists general attention people bible mask racial intolerance bigotry hide christianity jesus mind soviet union religious people suffered sort persecution mention atheist agnostics suffered persecution believing government sucked arguement lanphier lanph point make call christian christian draw conclusions modelled jesus christ christian repented sins accepted jesus christ personal lord saviour christian criteria christian malcolm 
mormons jews organization jersey institute technology newark lines nntp posting host hertz njit article stratus tavares writes home home rough month begins johnnie lawmaster laid divorce final ready happened monday horror story ruining life hell omitted party held awkward silence make lawyer good chap real story work fiction sources newspaper hypothetical david charlap apple forever steve wozniac njit drank socrates 
albert sabin reply warren vonroeschlaub organization ministry silly walks lines article bill rawlins writes referred messiah assume referring testament detail complaints mail post century greek understood considered josephus jewish historian wrote jesus addition gospel accounts harmony bill find remarkable managed weakest evidence convincing anti christian literature jewish councils century enormous quantities detailed arguments christianity arguments today volumes tracts attacking christianity denies existance jesus activities find considerably compelling josephus harmony gospels matthew luke mark source warren kurt vonroeschlaub iowa state university math department carver hall ames 
christian owned organization list organization university arizona lines article kcochran keith justified ancient cochran writes article shopper writes find list christian owned corporations companies wordperfect wordperfect owned mormons mormons generally considered christians kcochran tsakc thoughts posts ideas responsibility beer pizza pumps purse shade perfume whispers back green laurie morgan 
years christian morality organization lines nntp posting host hernes article frank uucp frank dwyer writes article emarsh eric marsh writes article frank uucp frank dwyer writes science real world basis values round thing objective science objectively kick head simple theories accurate predictions objectively tarot cards conclusions changing meaning values time backtrack word fair equivalent return goods service monetary material worth worth measured usefulness importance merit principle standard quality considered inherently worthwhile desirable precise meaning word assigned calculated numerical quantity relative duratation tone rest relative darkness lightness color distinctive quality speech speech sound context moral system definition terms scientific usage definitions apply note definitions thing definition cases objective worth usefulness importance science objective worth usefulness importance inherently worthwhile desirable simple theories accurate predictions inherently worthwhile desirable flaws problem word objective values definitions inherently subjective individual personal person worthwhile worthless hand things objective worth usefulness importance interesting form measurement sentence worth subjective provide objective foundation morality good beginning attempt objective basis notion science worthy important dealing observed facts alternatively demonstrate science necessarily worthy important situation words term objective find usage word usage word person find standard judge usage cases dictionary standard definiton objective objective material object distinguished mental concept actual existance unenfluenced emotion personal prejudice based observable phenomenon definition science objective worth phrase objective worth oxymoron asked differently time asked objective basis notion fact science intellectual tool responsible world material objective provide objective basis argument conclusion arrived argument science good subjective problem word usage time read definitions words objective subjective worth morality good evil meaning conclude thing objective morality frank dwyer hatching odwyer hens evelyn conlon eric 
christian owned organization list organization university arizona lines article stephan stephan fassmann writes article kcochran keith justified ancient cochran writes article shopper writes find list christian owned corporations companies wordperfect wordperfect owned mormons wordperfect mormon church slight semantical difference church heck largest land holder missouri christ coming large beverage company pepsi caffiene forbidden substance list 
promise john organization lunar planetary laboratory tucson lines article bskendig brian kendig writes asked times heart matter confidence build universe place nice watching brian pleased honesty honest asked things write manner write show made attempting pass real thing news sound mine exist open mind layed beliefs time time doubt prayed good open short deciding good reason decide good reason zeus pretty cool candidate brian read postings open mind misunderstanding lack knowledge arrogance mockery remaining true true open mind mockery gain knowledge real presumptions read bible reason exists love depth shallow worldly experience person commits seeking find jesus stands door knocks person half heartedly opens bible opens purpose find mock find learn thing gain attitude folly careful jump glance passages bible bizarre absurd assured alien confident assured present comprehension lies deep reasons satisfied personally guarantee jesus thirsty flow king solomon glory conceal matter search matter glory kings jesus john father draws john loved world gave whosoever believes perish eternal life included whosoever pray father drawing posting talk religion misc remember brian paul making paul mocked christians pleasure stoning showed mercy saved paul celebrated history church brian careful judge paul fervor attack christians find paul proclaim good news jesus fervor peter jesus peter jesus satan surely peter hard headed cynical demonstrated great moments stupidity peter committed task full heart peter apostle faith walk water jesus asked zeus zeus offer eternal life gain believing zeus brian ceccarelli brian arizona 
years christian morality organization case western reserve university lines nntp posting host student cwru article sbradley intel seth bradley writes article cobb uiuc mike cobb writes falsifiable world existed forever starting point falsify existance belief scien tific premise original thread referred specifically scientific creationism means theory theories propose able judged scientific method contrast purely philosophical arguments definite definition falsify existance refuses give immutable definition promises made broken john laws honor word 
rise organization microsoft corp distribution lines emery single historic event biggest impact world centuries resurrection jesus majority people world born lived life died knowing christ majority rest world decided emery thinks emery writers testament documents convinced jesus rise dead gospel accounts leaving proofs emery rely quoting bible proof circular reasoning occasions stated times generations xtians change edit alter bible political gospel accept bible true bible true fair bhagavad gita koran contradict bible emery reason disciples immoral dishonest historic information lead conclusion people fearing people sincerely heartedly believed resurrection lord jesus real event gain make stand time meant persecution imprisonment death biblical account independent proof happening simply sincere faith make faith correct muslims dying bosnia fact islam islam correct religion emery history bears persecution christians roman historian cornelius tacitus govenor asia writing nero reign alluded torture christians rome proven people tortured faith prove faith true correct means sincere beliefs make belief truth easy minority religions suffered torture muslims suffer torture harassment india bosnia today religions harassed china today proven emery suffering persecution meant believer probable supposed conspiracy forward confess thing hoax hoax emery reasonable disciples make resurrection sincerely believed jesus risen dead light sufferings believed followers muhammad firmly believed miracles koran muhammad performed attacked slaughtered beliefs denounce muhammad islam correct means islam true faith stupid proofs 
judas crucifixion tyre organization microsoft corp distribution lines frank decenso evident texts ezek concerned buildings structures concerned people people leadership ezek return city built city people leadership prophesied ezek rebuilt city people leaders incredibly fucking stupid text referring city buildings bricks mortar makes sense refer future tyre reduced place spread fishing nets twisting text semantic game preserve faith admission error decenso 
judas crucifixion tyre organization microsoft corp distribution lines frank decenso prioritize things life board important forms part respect board thinking sort apologeticist faith routinely roasted grill stupid theories unfounded assumptions frank decenso board wait organize life dropping sieferman coerced back time doubt sieferman dropping closer truth cards play game insist playing losing hand finally realizing lurk board quiet area correct back returned life order 
good jesus died organization lunar planetary laboratory tucson lines article bskendig brian kendig writes john assuredly grain wheat falls ground dies remains dies produces grain loves life lose hates life world eternal life serves follow servant serves father honor eternal life hate missed jesus point read surrounding passages understand jesus means life world bumbled asserted standard axiom bible bunk wrong idea jesus means eternal life brian expect jump middle quantum mechanics book understand hermite polynomials read surrounding material bible idea jesus means world references concordance good description book ecclesiastes game eternal life check john john find eternal life eternal life starts infinitely high quality life living fellowship short deity exist automatically worship content live life fend proud fact matter actions choices decides toss flaming cease exist respect obedience earn strong true diety exists cease exist jesus talks hell luke understand point view christians spouting bible verse time sort magic spell level opposition truth robert demonstrated understands verses imply rattles brazenly face common sense reality point truth sort magic spell truth understand enjoy understanding christanity nice belief nice book wrong christianity supposed relationship christianity arguing opinion bumbling blindly making entities depriving true understanding enjoyment life long beliefs beliefs start waving expect toss opinions make places jericho jerusalem babylon corinth ephesus susa kings nebuchanezzar david solomon sennacherib herod pontius pilate guess treat abraham lincoln myth odin zeus 
gilligan island iniquity organization national university singapore newsreader lines bruce buck writes article matmcinn matthew macintyre national university senegal writes gilligan sloth skipper anger thurston howell greed lovey howell gluttony ginger lust professor pride mary envy assorted monkeys secular humanism assorted headhunters godless heathen savagery russian agent gilligan godless communism japanese sailor godless barbarism walter pigeon godless bird turd mosquitos bingo bango bongo irving godless rock roll harold heckuba phil silvers hollywood hedonism john mcgiver butterfly flicking tonga fake apeman deceit lust grubb deceit lust 
message president happened organization hewlett packard boise idaho newsreader lines tbrent purdue timothy brent writes pack heavy weaponry intent allowed stuff live steer clear understand neccessary licenses permits automatic weapons public rights individual ahead call commie singing tune exercised rape daughter broke threat society simple proof evidence broken proof evidence hear evidence support guess people peasants politicians prefer unarmed peasants 
biblical backing koresh tape cites enclosed organization hewlett packard boise idaho newsreader lines xcpslf stephen favor writes koresh messenger killed message carried character messenger reckon find rest hard koresh killed wanted lots illegal guns heard illegal guns found accused paying taxes legal guns 
biblical backing koresh tape cites enclosed organization hewlett packard boise idaho newsreader lines nelson peter nelson writes liar surrender local radio stations broadcast message didn surrender passover didn surrender 
merlin mithras magick organization polyhedron group lines distribution world nntp posting host dialin uoregon article joshua washington joshua geller wrote brought back asked details josh excuse back josh make informed responce pack references packed responses grin pegasus 
mormons jews reply amdahl anthony rose organization amdahl corporation sunnyvale lines article mlee royalroads malcolm writes article jhallen joseph allen writes article handheld arras writes interesting watch club today robertson branch dividians firey worshipping false terrible tragedy blew necessarily agree robertson judgement seat eventually judged failed earth people choose worship read commandment worship money greatest religions country false religion 
message president happened organization temple university lines nntp posting host temple newsreader article writes ordinary adventure federal officers conflict interests throught affair seamed chiefly concerned saving face saving lifes true resisting arrest surrendered realized federal officers didn saving face confusing batf charge original search warrant didn treated hostage situation wasn discussions independant negotiators family intervention independant negotiators negotiate sort plea bargin brought court negotiators negotiate charges sentences negotitators make deal dividians koresh showed negotiating good faith reason independent negotiators richard 
message president happened keywords success lines nntp posting host ccsua ctstateu organization yale university department computer science haven told friends mine weeks koresh dead batf live testimonial stupidity lies crazy koresh crazy government crazier lied told compound survaillance time watching place failed koresh jogging town regular basis area claimed wondered pick answers kind survaillance care wanted confrontation wanted publicity battle told knew coming foolish knowing intercepted informants call explore possibilities ending seige hartford courant woman raised koresh grandmother allowed agent spoke ricks paper people talk logically grandmother raised vernon howell koresh real raise david koresh raises loves speak strickly logical level emotional level reach operation claiming feared mass suicide reasons claim thought knew started talking money costing start justification part part plan knew back plan considered cruel unusal punishment execute criminals minds people acceptable knew parents adults masks children plan pour compound mothers children supposed leave deal spent years army everyother veteran chemical biological radiological warfare training part training room filled stuff children subjected make stuff interesting chemical agent irritates skin fire doubts children hysterical kind thing plan final solution waited days hostages home iran gave people days stated occasions absolutely thing government point success agent ricks changed mind newclip hartford courant expressing regret loss life suggested operation modified success single federal shot fired single federal agent hurt dead children definition success thought government claimed believed automatic weapons premises license caliber machine knew damn knew legally element surprise agents president takes full responsibility hope article exuptr ericsson patrick taylor sounding board writes article bill uofs bill gunshannon writes absolving batf blame incident aware important facts thing toxic tear tear breathable remaining presence nausea vomiting eventually siezures death physical health people exposed potential heart problems doubt dangerous stuff concentrated tear canister tear produced burning chemical fumes produced tear canister warning printed side contact flamable material result fire canisters throw inside building admited fire trap incindiary methods means produced building pumped tanks visit sounding board wildcat obdis opinions specifically disclaimed responsible patrick taylor ericsson network systems exuptr ericsson fool 
message president happened organization university calif diego microscopy imaging resource lines nntp posting host pitstop ucsd article dianem diane mathews writes dear brother bill patience wait prospect message president specifically order activity blame reagan bush directly incidents place drugs administration blame bush fact weaver wife infant killed happened president thousands central america killed brave sponsored freedom fighters slick willie piker steve lamont sciviguy ucsd diego microscopy imaging resource diego jolla bumper strip 
wanted moltmann creation organization important lines greatly jurgen moltmann book creation ecological doctrine creation copy part love hear call mail susan soric independent agent susan soric uchicago 
abortion private health coverage letters reply organization developer docudramas lines writes illustrative opposite direction services insurance contract reduce premium preventative services reduces acute care total premium fall women abortion services judged require prenatal care coverage childbirth order magnitude expensive abortion topic restricted talk abortion exists relieve abortion flamage silverio ceej melbourne anti abortion marchers rallied celebrate death david gunn praise shouted daily news march 
kind loving organization university idaho lines distribution world nntp posting host snake uidaho newsreader version malcolm mlee royalroads wrote clarify earlier quote laws originally written israelites jesus changed fact making applicable people jews gentiles part kingdom heaven saving grace made obsolete jesus reference earlier quote malcolm mlee royalroads wrote reference leviticus deuteronomy laws written israelites chosen people expressly rest world israelites direct witness existence disobey knowing real outright denial immediately punishable remember laws written time applied chosen people jesus changed living grace longer immediately punishable death repentance salvation lord jesus christ chosen people salvation gentile alike conflicting statements clarification breach logic mind people shifting position issue irritates premise change made deuteronomy wrong jesus change clarified quote made verses jesus takes portions expounds giving clearer meaning intended address notion stoning virgin brides clarification deny deuteronomy patently clear intent agree today world modern pharisees bible good head knowledge heart agree modern pharisees bible depending knowledge scary argue position desire back selected parts bible pharisees include david koresh adolph hitler qualify believed preaching ends made means frightening scary bible word fact scarier people addition easy manipulate aforementioned pharisees debate people christianity rules lifestyle perspectives personal conduct demands obedience demands obedience book personally told behave preachers pastors evangelists obey book written people dead close millenia longer follow heart scarcely honest people live choice respect respects respects talk bible eternal damnation believers respect eminating bible selfish spiteful malcolm lanphier lanphi uidaho lanph curious earlier post book applied israelites deuteronomy jesus quoted addition alludes places case clear jesus thought testament obsolete repeat verse matthew quoted group abolish prophets abolish fulfill truth heaven earth disappear smallest letter stroke means disappear accomplished breaks commandments teaches called kingdom heaven practices teaches commands called great kingdom heaven righteousness surpasses pharisees teachers enter kingdom heaven pretty letters jesus talking dilemma christians testament apply paul harvey likes quoting 
mormons jews organization duck pond public unix guest lines article virginia pete yadlowsky writes arromdee writes federal officers knock search question answers question immediately dealing feds uniform apparel insignia figured pretty short order fighting ready attacked warning bloody chap federale tough luck dead 
misc taoism reply tims organization megatek corporation diego california lines article thyagi portal thyagi morgoth nagasiva writes support misc taoism discussion group applaud enthusiam shown person posting thyagi portal read magick differ believing minimal parameters agreed thyagi wrote recommend depth generality ambiguity newsgroup misc taoism maximized calling tradition unnecessary leads foolish squabbles doubt nature splendid teacher appears words spoken tree stream microbe star limit misc taoism philosophy limit discussion degenerates amorphous glob questions thyagi proposes actual process reality taoism based assumption assumption concern knowledge knowing questions properly fall category general metaphysics prefer misc taoism deal closely topics works closely semi orthodox taoism established classic works included works mantak chia argued taoism excluded group humpty dumpty taoism taoism means poster means taoism refuge debates taoism means speculations sexual alchemy thyagi taoism hell taoism exist taoism real decide real real exist exist kent gloomily predicts quoting thyagi article traffic group concern philosophical secular taoism averred alan watts niels bohr yogic taoism pertains medical sexual martial techniques discussions nature completely place happening term taoism completely polluted trivialized words magic alchemy writers appropriating word spate books entitled respect exceptions books tsung comments ideas forward balance misc taoism chips fall filled college freshmen failure people post groups scott sending megatek corporation scranton diego internet tims uunet megatek tims 
davidians compassion reply amdahl anthony rose organization amdahl corporation sunnyvale lines article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes highly christian religious order fire house killing people inside annoyed adults knew supposedly actions angry fact people inside including mothers children suffer awful conditions considered religious proud follow fanatical compassionate religions purpose spare innocent young hard time understanding christianity word compassion christians actions today produce good picture religion kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities surely equating david koresh christianity comparable 
mormons jews reply amdahl anthony rose organization amdahl corporation sunnyvale lines article isscck bitnet casper knies writes explain governor missouri casper knies isscck bitnet brigham young university isscck computer facilities capser deceive everone thinking saints undergone undue persecution years believing religion happened mountain meadow massacres killings blood atonement doctrine command brigham young 
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davidians compassion reply skinner organization uiuc center supercomputing research development lines sandvik apple kent sandvik writes article mlee royalroads malcolm wrote judge christians acts call christian contradicted scripture actions christian simple read media portrayed true believing christian find deny association adventists denied ties cult satanists followers obscure religion christians unison condemn make show case wrong show dangers religion order word mind virus make mothers capable letting small children burn ashes scream suspect answer question answer actions likes stalin show dangers atheism 
good jesus died organization lunar planetary laboratory tucson lines jesus verdict light world loved darkness light deeds evil evil hates light light fear deeds exposed kent sandvik dealing black white interpretation brian subtly accusing evil things light confusing admit situation informed black white spade spade hidden agenda stop easy straight forward reads kent accusing evil things jesus accusing accusing accusing world guilty sees light light evil things jesus word included jesus soloing jesus making general statement state christians immuned evil things christian person holy spirit indwells christian evil evil brought light jesus evil exposed christian stop evil jesus light evil deeds simply exposed light shed light human spirit shines candela holy spirit shines megacandela holy spirit shine light places inside existed jesus point christians perfect nonchristians perfect nonchristians light jesus problems lives sight ugly thing fallen jesus perspective ignorant brian kendig verses truth choose watching news light made children burned death part insight light world simple ways enlighted happy pray receive light watched koresh imposter thought light made children burned death sadly part delusion sadder people died chose ignorance downfall death kent bury underneath rock excuse bringing koresh koresh truth david koresh light excuse stay real jesus christ david koresh claimed jesus fraud obvious david koresh born america jesus born bethlehem koresh good imposter missed obvious point jesus warned imposters times david koresh jesus jesus told aware imposters years time imposter makes scene claims jesus obvious born mother mary branch davidians asked simple question labeled koresh liar start koresh died happened ignorance cost lives choice ignorant cost kent studied bible lutheranism remember tactic satan tempt jesus satan quote bible context remember tactic serpent genesis tempt misquote satan succeeded ploy jesus jesus case jesus rebuked satan back bible context work jesus satan garden satan jesus desert remind koresh followers koresh emulate koresh teacher koresh followers satan koresh kill followersr satan adam cult followers koresh knew real christ born bethlehem choose tree knowledge good evil knowing death held responsible deceiver rebeller excuse opposed branch davidians chance follow jesus escort path eternal life follow jesus stand condemned branch davidian complex house fire satan adam ablaze slow burn burning 
message president happened organization case western reserve university cleveland lines reply freenet broward horne nntp posting host hela cwru previous article ucsd steve lamont thousands central america killed brave sponsored freedom fighters slick willie piker weight americans equal salvadorans 
mormons jews organization royal roads military college victoria distribution lines article richard loether writes matthew suppose bring peace earth peace bring sword remember armor sword christians wield word bible malcolm rich loether snail mail university pittsburgh ideas email computing info services mine voice epsilon drive pittsburgh mine 
davidians compassion organization royal roads military college victoria lines article pharvey paul harvey writes article mlee royalroads malcolm writes follow teachings christ christian easy exclude proclaimed christians follow commandments matter fact strive proud boast faith human imperfect liable thankfully opportunity repentence forgiveness malcolm 
mormons jews casper knies organization brigham young university lines isaac saackuo berkeley writes article casper knies gedaliah friedenberg friedenb writes saint found john statement ludicrous explain governor missouri governor boggs issued called mormon extermination order crime illegal activity saints committed religious affiliation anti slave stance missouri allowed slave practices growing numbers influence missouri guess mormons deserved refused corrupt evil secular authorities disobedience brought persecution murder finally forced expulsion lands settlements significant remember secular positions held average people time americans pretty homogeonously christian largely mainstream christian disgust practices polygamy resulted irrational hatred true problem mormon extermination order issued christian allowed constitution united states instituted precisely prevent incidents order occurring place earlier posting irrational hatred evidenced individuals robert weiss boggs lieutenant fitted drewling modern occurrence based results slander persecution misrepresentation lies denying mormons representation user group intent purpose changed situation today irrational feelings beliefs justified religion started religion religion helps justify perpetuate prejudices practices providing neat justification discourages critical thought true evidenced numerous examples aware regard mormon history secular authorities discuss uthan suckered allowing part lands nerve atomic bomb testing grounds trusted righteous things changed born cynic reason whatsoever case early late president kimball church leader strongly protested federal attempts locate peace keeper missile maze built utah inspired decision secular authorities fortunately opposition influential feds back secular authorities continuous group people common uninterrupted goal harrassing eradicating mormons honestly main reason utah nuclear testing thar mormons majority uthan mormons searching enemy correction majority utahn mormon cities settlements western states conspiracies paranoid affects badly primarily purpose secular authorities watched satan power dominion earth divert truth judgment justice addition adversary power influence unjust idolatrous greed money good order bring persecution oppression evil combinations intelligent suppose destroyer yield influence foremost political power utah concerned pointed horrible examples environmental nightmares imposed secular authorities brought death disease downwinders environmental contami nation paranoid expecting secular government share values faith boggs harm destroy matter fact prophecies church future years global persecution mormons increase intensity scope paraphrasing escape persecution murder flee zion zion pure heart established days current secular authorities rule david koresh pose great threat federal authorities security nation john personally feel stop threat life person pose threat security nation pose threat lives followers definite hmm definite established reason able doubt alleged threat threat imposed followers batf killed constitutional officers invade private land force compound caused murder children presence bearing events interpret masada events blame jews heck romans business waco texas branch davidians posed threat society caused deaths israeli olympic team case police botched heavier burden terrorists terrible mistake sort reasoning applies case david koresh chose peaceful option complied responsibility authorities issue authorities escalated peaceful stand force david koresh gassing naive played hands apocalyptic thinking individual prepared people eventuality years firetruck plan place deal scenario feel authorities responsibility protect citizens religious zealots guilty paying license batf extension local collectors david koresh doubt evil executioners actions valiant brave officers characterizing executioners inaccurate unfair order executioner intent kill intrusion private property semi loaded life ammunition implicit intent prepared kill batf warrant stand civil court justice mind criminals dangerous drug lords brought justice escalating events point allowing compli city destruction people isaac isaackuo berkeley lucky english find toilet amusing mundane functional item basis entire culture manfred richtofen casper knies isscck bitnet brigham young university isscck computer facilities 
mormons jews organization brigham young university lines sorenson viking writes mcclary michael mcclary writes thought clear murky areas surviving driven nauvoo carthage mormons fortify utah defend faith stockpile food involved illegal activity including multiple underage wives leaders practice vogue splinters sect parallels koresh joseph smith striking leaders church grant joseph smith alive plenty accusations filed bearing reality evidenced verdicts studied history years prove leadership involved quote illegal activities plural marriage charge underage wives sounds originated tabloid discredits high moral standards characterized leaders families unlike appears david koresh joseph smith started sect brother hyram murdered nauvoo jail cell church membership split follow initially smith considered prophet mohammed interesting parallel muslims christ prophet jews understand make mistake messiah talking smith claim church reflects moral aptitude leaders joseph smith highest respect inspired crime refused deny vision explain smith phenomenon bold presence million member strong church stands witness joseph smith testimony resilience power carry message thought time gift prophecy handed father joseph smith died entering teens brigham young claimed bequeathed gift leadership prior death council twelve church governing body basic conflict wedge sects brigham young followers salt lake rest waited smith grow assume leadership claimants leadership mike dukakis rest apostates excommunicated members church great majority membership twelve auxiliary organizations chose accept brigham young prophet leader church knew scriptures doctrine brigham young line fill prophet joseph smith vacancy senior apostle quorum comments made joseph brigham lead exodus west rightful heirs dead hyrum smith excommunicated oliver cowdery persecutions abounded intensified joseph smith orders place empty land boundaries united states time rekhabite principle pseudographia understood antipated great majority faithful questioned granted couple yourselfers stayed unwilling sacrifice undertake perilous journey unknown separate tares wheat church benefitted purification process unified carry mission world sects practiced year food stockpile doctrine frontier farming country carried owned weapons evidence militaristic sect tended move face large scale opposition brigham young suffered great deal salt lake justified making military training good thing remember army people turn save context perspective church jesus christ saints largest denominations country sect splinter religion southern baptists methodists mormons edgar hoover impressed secrets pledged defend secrets lives atone blood point suicide balloney suicide sinful comfortable alleged cosiness mammon assure reject attitude categorically period true allegiance leaders appointed represent regard read trash suicide atone sins blood insulting misrepresentation church believes stands rlds reorganized friendly rivals delight telling stories generates quick retorts members grand time time heard hinted taking salt block make salt mountain glacier hired virtually mormons exclusively staffed members church saints edgar finally personnel field agents heavily mormon wondered affect treatment religious organizations mormon heretical preposterous true reliable data convinced officers perform highest codes honor conduct selected place remember articles faith strongly states principle freedom religion people free worship true affect rlds philosophy religions strayed true church jesus judge merits addition rlds contend ignorance true excuse condemned tought rejected short rlds suffer lutherans buddhists secure knowledge wrong penalized ignorance hoover strict upbringings forbade alcohol tobacco drink coffee people salt earth easily made follow orders vices good explanation accept people cosy mammon orders late president kimball exception strong opposition selection peace keeper missile maze utah educated guess sects splinter groups mirror masses small rare worth noting common ancestry relevance guns religion deny protection weapons suitable find ally casper knies isscck bitnet brigham young university isscck computer facilities 
message president happened organization stephen austin state university lines article parys ctstateu writes told friends mine weeks koresh dead batf live testimonial stupidity lies deleted figured pretty question plan months important government seal warrant koresh amendments waited days hostages home iran gave people days gaut super state matter happened remember alamo truth government chooses remember waco justice happen garrison orleans 
message president happened organization university virginia lines article bskendig brian kendig writes tank knock hole wall released toxic flammable tear building koresh case typical inability government media story straight disturbing tuesday night news reported place burning black smoke billowing building agents insisting davidians setting fire adamantly denying battery compound wallks accidentally blaze hadnt able investigating site didnt accidentally fire sounds burned place ground destroy evidence legalize freedom 
message president happened organization university virginia lines article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes angry davidians spare children awful suffering posting temper dozens children left compound original batf assualt assault weeks koresh wanted kill children legalize freedom 
kill sword killed sword organization university virginia lines article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes happy people including innocent kids died today unhappy people died assault private property government armored vehicles unhappy suspicious dismissing hand chances accidentally blaze guess supposed ramming modified tanks walls building injecting toxic gases building routine procedures wrong legalize freedom 
message president happened organization university virginia lines article visser lance visser writes explaination toxic tear delivery system refuse explaination provided lots facts thing toxic tear correct today washington post fatal high concentrations toxic tear oxymoron point tear toxic toxic effects people seek fresh legalize freedom 
greek myth bible organization writer lines mailer tmail version pegasus uoregon laurie ewbrandt wrote irrelevant inserts previous postings deleted definiation text book part introductory social anthorpology term myth designates traditionally based dramatic narratives themes emphasize nature humankind relationship nature supernatural legends ususally defined tales times places give extensive emphasis supernatural themes legends myths retold purely entertainment peter hammand introduction cutural social anthropology macmillion page makes bible fibber magee closet stuffed thing gleened wandering people pegasus sound colorful story antiquity explain natural pheno mena hear convinced possibility exists myth surface story mahood 
hitler pagan christian martin luther organization duck pond public unix guest lines article amdahl chris writes article kevxu bitnet writes irish version swastica called brigid cross legged symbol isle legged symbol word recall trieskalon triple goddess phases reflected females woman crone 
promise john nntp posting host digibd digibd organization digiboard incorporated eden prairie lines brian arizona brian ceccarelli writes article bskendig brian kendig writes asked times heart brian pleased honesty honest asked contradict religious beliefs feel comfortable simply accusing sincerity critically examine religious beliefs merlyn leroy 
promise luke organization university buffalo lines news software vnews nntp posting host ubvmsb buffalo blessed hear word luke 
albert sabin rfox rich univ south dakota reply rfox organization university south dakota computer science dept nntp posting host charlie lines article king john king writes rfox writes bill time explain biblical scholars josephus reference early christian insert biblical scholar expert research chips fall excludes literalists defined biblical apologists find find trustworthy scholarly standards claim josephus insert flying continue ignore true josephus manuscipt copies forger insert token josephus historian biblical scholars raising flag historical scholars handle ancient secular documents give researchers documents page numbers jack aware claim years decided check times references robin lane unauthorized version lane writes passage appears comment jesus career agreed christian addition albert sabin response lippard april noted consensus typically subtly elaine pagel gnostic gospels comment attributed josephus reports emphasis mine scholars mention josephus entries subtlety reflecting consensus deduce today consensus built things long passage context origen long passage short long passages contradictory references arguments consensus orginally developed biblical scholars defined include theologians historians incorporate historical social technological ideological contexts theology distinction blurred elaborate turn historians compelled incorporate theology number copies times gutenburg hundred editions exceedingly high counting hand reasonable long insert destroyed practice foreign religions entries lippart message noted talks arabic date critical rich anthro usouthdakota 
abortion news software vishnepolsky rogers lines reply margoli larry margolis disclaimer posting represents poster views necessarily nntp posting host netslip watson organization village waterbed anthony landreneau anthony landreneau writes margoli larry margolis anthony landreneau rape passed true forcing remain pregnant continues violation body months unbelievably cruel life violation forcing harbor life body violation letting mother force child body order childs life ultimate violation happen violation person violation mindless clump cells smaller thumb mileage vary larry margolis margoli bitnet margoli internet 
learn waco wackos organization public access unix denver math dept distribution lines important things glean mess start desperate answer question natural pinkboys darn means plenty made false jesus business enterprising subgenii remember separated pinks green blow automatic weapons mexico swiss bank account smile flunkies hand flowers airports shrug long start bulldada david koresh hand started swallowing apocalypso crap working crossword puzzles bahamas today contributing mulch layer waco start shooting cops shoot back shots short barnum stupidity correcting endeth lesson doge south louis dobbs approved media conspirator step sundays louis community radio dobbs 
merlin mithras magick organization oregon health sciences university lines nntp posting host facman response whitten saic david whitten wrote evidently feast bread wine mithras wondered yeshua intentionally introduced ritual expand appeal religion appropriated worshipers responded argue wanted reasonable argument point fact remembrance feast similar pesach passover meal seder jewish ritual feast seder accounts clear point difference connection bread wine body blood association tammuz osiris mithras line related judaism case intend argue point association pointed foggiest notion happened larry caldwell caldwell compuserve oregon health sciences university 
burden proof organization case western reserve university lines nntp posting host student cwru article jbrown writes positive arguments positive description misunderstanding term positive arguments assertions affirmative exists negative exist carry equal burden proof asserting idea true default condition absence preponderance evidence proposition assertion undecidable person takes undecidable position simply disbelieves proposition true holds burden proof called weak atheist position virtually unassailable stands firm foundation logical argument proponents simply disbelieve existence hold burden proof assert prove weak atheism draws strength strength achilles heel assertions axioms foundation build philosophy virtually worthless assert thousand year invisible pink unicorns residing walls support evidence lack evidence suffice happen listening satanic messages found playing beethoven symphony backwards officials cult leader david koresh forced followers remain flames closed koresh armed guard injected children poison quiet made behold good genesis 
fact theory reply halat bears halat lines article adpeters indiana andy peters writes stuff deleted andy agree clarification terms fact theory feel strongly separating usage valid note fact evolution theory words theoretically falsified rejected predictive consistently supported evidence pointless explicitly falsify anymore falsification rejection reduce current usefulness long accurately predicts describes things observe pain reason theory evolution fact evolution theory thread started bothered post referred fact evolution basically leaving phrase theory clarification gave fact evolution meaning description atomic theory alternative theories gravity deleted models religious overtones requirements faith demand factual physical entity theory formulated talks fail make important distinction shoehorned facts existence gravity atoms evolution category theories proposed explain mechanisms existence things predictive considered fact mechanisms hand worth discussing agree feel stronger separating terms theories proposed explain mechanisms mechanisms realities existence mechanisms things predictive considered fact planetary particle systems called atoms original point leap faith observe mechanisms atoms decided discuss mechanisms rate clearer thought worth shot bottom line agree fundamental ideas evolution theory supported observational evidence fact evolution theory supported observational evidence creation opinion theist call theory supporting evidence predicts supports observations made mechanisms talk agree halat halat bear stearns kill serve annoy speak 
years christian morality reply halat bears halat lines article frank uucp frank dwyer writes article mathew writes frank uucp frank dwyer writes article mathew writes complete nonsense relativism means absolut standard morality standards morality equally good means moral systems manage objective frame reference frank dwyer mathew stiff deleted faster bullet snail answer einstein proved objective frame reference stiff deleted speed quantifiable measure resulting methods result measured matter reference bullet velocity sitting table train moving moving speed train stationary train reference frame makes speed relative interesting person train stationary bullet person bullet moving train people time filled moral problem halat halat bear stearns kill serve annoy speak 
news news reply david ericsson distribution world organization camtec electronics ericsson leicester england lines nntp posting host bangkok trouble receiving news moment overloaded news server post quickly couple threads moment pending replies reply posted suggest sending mail copy point reply news shut cheers david religion fishes cried swam clearness 
food thought tyre summary inerrantist rewrites bible keywords scripture implication prophesy woof organization rowan college jersey disclaimer brandy wonderdog hopes doghouse rebuilt lines discussion tyre ezekiel prophesied place mashed rebuilt people living ezekiel literally correct bother understand language ezekiel differently called biblical literalists grandson cutest baby turns sees granddaughter cutest thing person literally claiming lined babies world cuteness discovered grandchildren tied express emotions words object oriented common people misunderstands intent statements bible mercy people assume literally true people existence tyre problem turning latest person defend ezekiel read john king prophesy implies people living area implies kind prophecy ezekiel told interpret literally means houses businesses plants stuff read make bare rock rebuilt conclude tyre bare rock fishing nets houses buildings medium large population stuff words answer means ezekiel misled read prophecy time written literal reading read passage conclude medium size city feel rebuilt means rebuilt clear implication king writes stated figurers ranging assume correct modern standards talking horse town population annapolis naval acadamy state capital george washington resigned commission statehouse annapolis york horse town supposing people small town people ezekiel predicted problem chapter ezekiel predicts nebuchadnezzar destroy tyre loot valuables nebuchadnezzar destroy tyre chapter ezekiel quotes army reward campaign tyre ignore alexander moment attention chapter ezekiel destroy tyre destroy tyre ezekiel plunder valuables plunder valuables tyre fact died place destroyed ezekiel post pointless inerrantists amazing ability rewrite bible needed expect king respond comments ezekiel pulling clear implications ezekiel demolish towers implied walls standing people towers ezekiel demolish fine houses throw stones timber rubble implied foot island ezekiel wrote build ramp walls implies spend years stomping mainland close walls clear implications totally contrary text reconcile darren provine kilroy rowan enabler demand cliff claven 
societal basis morality organization florida state university speak lines article merlyn digibd merlyn leroy writes prayer school legal illegal telling children pray pray people confuse kids pray kids allowed pray possibly kids told governmental bodies business suppressing beliefs sort satanic humanist conspiracy 
christians clarification nunnally harding john nunnally distribution world organization harding university searcy nntp posting host harding news reader news reply pharvey message utclines lines hear christian answer question paraphrase authority christians proclaim prophets major minor accountable commandments jesus spoke opinion matthew source pseudo doctrine pseudo teacher great deceiver christian answer jesus christian context matthew makes sense matt jesus abolish prophets abolish fulfill jesus lived jewish culmination promises prophets fulfill prophecies fully obey purposes verse heaven earth pass smallest letter stroke pass accomplished verse imho phrase jesus fulfillment accomplished supposed accomplish verse annuls commandments teaches called kingdom heaven teaches called great kingdom heaven context jesus teaching jewish people living lives makes sense general appears jesus responding criticism received jesus intent earth live lived fulfill promises made people back serpent bruise heel bruise head jesus appeared honor traditions equal regularly locked horns religious leaders conform rules matthew passage jesus defending dedication defending accusors entire sermon mount matt dedicated helping jewish people understand true intent sweeping clutter introduced pharasees traditions galatians paul describes relationship jesus faith custody shut faith revealed tutor lead christ justified faith faith longer tutor sons faith christ jesus christ revealed served purpose tutor lead christ longer tutor fulfilled christ author christ jesus personality testament testament jesus based moral principles makes sense principles expressed christianity hand fulfilled purpose christians relate christ makes sense practices symbolisms established represent mysteries relationship baptism representing christ death burial resurrection lord supper memorial sacrifice sunday worship commemorating resurrection matt acts christian explanation claim issues completely settled mind christians offer alternatives excuse long posting interest read john nunnally nunnally harding 
stories literary critical analy nunnally harding john nunnally distribution world organization harding university searcy nntp posting host harding news reader news reply sandvik apple message gmtlines lines sandvik apple writes article dzkriz berkeley dennis kriz wrote thought begin process initiating literary critical study pornography posted stories identify major themes motifs present stories posted opening possibility objective moral evaluation material present dennis astounded interested study filth stories provide cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities finally brethern true honorable pure lovely good repute excellence worthy praise mind dwell things phil cheers john nunnally harding 
kill sword killed sword organization barn data center lines article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes article royc wsnc crabtree wrote article stephen writes article sandvik apple kent sandvik writes happy people including innocent kids died today amazing automatically blames side thing koresh chance defend statements lacking fact court sponsored verification made agents participated situation killed frankly speaking care started show feel children trapped case reason whatsoever koresh release children died guns ablazing batf imagine trouble giving children shot takes sets guns situation blame koresh similar fanatical religious leaders keeping fanatical whowill tolerate life religious based emotional internal lacking commonly defined scientific basis including legal innocent untilproven guilty innocent presumed guilty fanatic note dead bespeaks fair idea side lethal weapons fatally dead children koresh asshole government criminally negligent hadni ling case worst koresh followers innocent brainwashed guilty illegal arms possession unproven murderedd children speak members surviving alive burned death batf inappropriately public bounds legal authorities read charter constitution specifies courts convict enforcement investigates evidence involved shuld disseminated harm injure party involved prior action called slander libel factually true butthen distoted disseminated intent harm purpose covering butts bottom line wanted kids alive thefbi batf reno prez sick selfserving group upright animals freedom loving peaceful country called america surprise turned point finger blame kids note lived days died attacked force spock world diane duane spear heart spear responsible question guess make mind children zone ashamed statement created zone ashamed bypassing damned literally comment made folks yugoslavia justify ethnic cleansing guns surrender justify means eliminate fact children died part lived peacibly purposes proven court folks cuase righteous government safeguarding freedom children dead againi leaders show moral sickness convict press ahead schedule shoulder becuase ruminations sets real fact happened defending people ahving burned death speak years find concept court system process profit batf collect fair share house rented income folks read bankruptcy accurate figures bypasses greedy businessman mankers profit corruption govbernment money folks medicare paid doctor worth medicine customaryprofitmargin businessmen goernment entitlements land cult note nonproift religious nontaxable large tract land hmm brains folks happened germany happen trillion admitted counting kent royc sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
message president happened organization barn data center lines article bskendig brian kendig writes visser lance visser writes water fire trucks present refused bring fire equipment fear firemen shot blasting holes builing firing munitions tank knock hole wall released toxic flammable tear building toxic flammable mace sold tothe public supposedly nontoxic whatthey mace directly linings lungs direct snort face quantities reacts similarly mustard inhalation father grandfather exposed poison wwii side effects weapon including toxic aerosols label means wont kill give permanent asthsma blowing hole head aerosols flammable oxygen igniter flammable substances boom searflame combo trash fire makes black smoke burned boom wrong suck smoke made paper carbonized burned fuel conditioning return light match feet conduit filled smoke mixture pounds fire codes open ceiling tiles buildings stories building blown nonflammable smoke nonflammable aerosol gasoline kerosene fumes electricity remeber heating waco plains boil water drink water liberally settle hours fumes vent underground davidians move children upstairs saferoom armor plated remember breath kids sick tear tracer spark burns death thinking opening mouth happened gmen brian kendig suis fait comme aucun bskendig ceux croire etre fait comme aucun ceux existent meaning life vaux mieux moins suis autre ends rousseau 
message president happened organization barn data center lines article hallam desy writes hang missed point protesting lack water deprived koresh constitutional prove divinity walking folks reason attack beliefs legal terminology argument hominem attack proven illegal blasting holes builing firing munitions tank knock hole wall released toxic flammable tear building burn dispite fact wrongo remember fire movie couple years backdraft scene factory propane coming pipes gasoline floor degree flame front overhead note flash fires ignite burn unpredictably gases tear distribute unevenly flash unevenly fire analyst cannot spokesman reno shut forensics analysis building full flash flame flash room pumped full phill hallam baker royc 
message president happened organization barn data center lines article salem stanford bruce salem writes consensus muffed walked ambush koresh prophesy today stated intentions played polarizing situation diffusing koresh conditions classic cult confrontation stated publically outcome kids shot government upped ante parcipitated conclusion today fires compound members group caused delivered subsequent investigation shed light suppose make comment government pyrotechnics started fire dividians decision stay leave intended jews nazis leave building burns dies bother bothers people dont koresh message humans hope finger pointing begun agents branch davidians dead crazy tactics part yeah blew rational situation ordianry criminal game learned jonestown move house shootout kill blame dead destroy evidence royc 
message president happened organization barn data center lines article nelson peter nelson writes alive today released back word released loaded convicted cxourt children feds type loaded logic accuse shoot couple kids blame shots harrass days burn death blame prior trial debating weeks peter 
message president happened organization barn data center lines article keng garrido writes lotsa stuff bottom line process served peaceful attempt serve warrant occurred royc 
message president happened organization barn data center lines article tbrent purdue timothy brent writes give break fireman deal blaze shot time witness firemen real heroes time aasked found fire shot prove people breaking agree tactics replaces justice system dying dead note small revolution years point backed pulled perimeter back media attention decided alternative send couple special forces capture assassinate koresh remember fruit wait maybeeven send agents christian pray line affinity subversion loops putting lives lines voluntarily chuckle points point live living means stayng building badge carrying nuts kids suspect sides wrong abiding citizens danger dealing jumped bradley grab flaming women running back building yeah save people risk life save stupid saved movie sophie choice grow royc 
abortion private health coverage letters nntp posting host hermes reply rocker followup lines dzkriz berkeley dennis kriz writes paying private health insurance plan abortion coverage reason person complelled compelled lipposuction coverage kind coverage stunningly ignorant underlying concept health insurance dzkriz berkeley rocker 
merlin mithras magick distribution world lines exciting thread finally mitra sanskrit friend started avatar lord visnu mentioned vedas risen chief prominence worshipped persians lord contract honor obedience naturally worshipped soldiers ordered slay bull heaven reluct antly agreed obligation blood bull spilled grew earth life mitra worship lord mitra ended persia ascension zoroastrians hundreds years rediscovered thrown official roman pantheon semi tricky reason forget references ended abruptly stricken apparently worship sort vehicle advancement bureaucracy membership communist party soviet bloc sociology religion ancient times fascinating ahem mystery cult lasted booted roman imperial roster contained soldiers levels initiation worshipped underground caverns pews bull horns temples scaring impaling evil spirits mithraic significance ritual meal cannibalistic nature christian masses eating deities back kingdom egypt mentioned bullfighting mithraists sacrifice bulls forget religious source shower bull blood enjoyed worshippers cybele blood cybele worship extended france bigtime charles hope cuny government reporters media ocracy 
waco conflagration precedents lines burning alive rough waco bunch choices reminded russian believers thinking antichrist coming grew frantic peter great started westernizing russia reforming russian church years locked churches burned alive thousands cases apocalypse obsessed christians resorting imolation history precedents andrew 
years christian morality organization lines nntp posting host squick eitech article frank uucp frank dwyer writes article eitech eric rescorla writes article frank uucp frank dwyer writes article eitech eric rescorla writes people agree exists usual uncritical sense people agree deal reasonable conclusion exist deal disagree completely recently people evolution possibility atom bomb popular opinion notoriously wrong matters fact true basis matters fact overwhelming popular opinion overwhelming popular opinion fact shines physics personal matter assumed yourgravity mygravity theoretical framework encompass predict simply complete nonsense basis matters fact class opinion majority informed popular opinion informed hate base knowledge instance overwhelming popular opinion basis eric people peering world talking uninterpreted facts observations people agreement observations prerequisite theory personal true clear uninterpreted observation pretty level stuff shines higher level agree perceive brightness experience good evil fact experience pain vision good pass guess turns pretty cruddy things opinions experiences good evil able agree meter comparing apples apples meter agree situation agree fundamental values people agrees values extent agree trivial observations unaware extent agreement situation dennis kriz examples pretty situations agree night agree abortion morally acceptable difference situations respect weasel words frank evidence point interested popular opinion prepared trust extent popular opinion direct matters physical observation large accord dial read looked hope believing people matters reasonable probability predicting observed possibility exists observation disagree good discount popular opinion good beginning predictor opinion fact impossible people agree good large number situations evidence objective morality bogus firstly dial check lens prescription guess observation people disagree shows people things virtue situations elephant elephant imply elephant iguana situations stuff pretty confusing frank decide situation mind explaining thirdly question assumption people disagree achieve fundamental secondary goals fundamental goals disagreement refer people disagree fundamental goals eric rescorla code 
biblical backing koresh tape cites enclosed organization news organization lines nntp posting host susie article cotera ulowell writes article netd writes article stephen writes david koresh solid structure sound biblical backing hour long tape broadcast cares solid structure sermon deaths responsible concern people assume evidence responsible deaths common sense fire caused koresh followers harper valley throwing evidence arguement throw back prove government agency resort covered proves wild theories government agencies intentionally started fire words proof evidence proves thou shalt kill stuff point bible commit murder translation mistranslates defense considered murder explain koresh defending children burned henrion southwestern bell technology resources thenrion 
merlin mithras magick organization brewers witch brewich lines caldwell ohsu larry caldwell writes kosinski oracle kevin osinski writes recall reading michael rutherford sarum scene roman nobleman living britain takes part secret ceremony involving bull stands naked covered sort scaffolding assistants coax bull stand scaffolding fatally stab bull douses worshipper blood supposedly sort rite passage members bull cult related mithras cult rutherford information chapter book historical fiction general events place largely based historical accounts rite joseph campbell occidental mythology levels initiation campbell info remember thinking eclectic connection ancient bull cults current practice bullfighting popular mediterranean cultures read campbell give larry caldwell caldwell compuserve oregon health sciences university remeber works read years ritual called tarobaullum spelling pope charles popec pope charles origin brewers witch houston 
freemasonry southern baptist convention organization brewers witch brewich lines lowell lowell morrison writes article freenet tony southern baptist convention convening june charges freemasonry incompatible christianity thought quotes james holly anti masonic flag carrier amuse passages exact quotes southern baptist convention freemasonry james holly president mission ministry beaumont jesus christ commanded toleration motive disciples toleration antithesis christian message page central dynamic freemason drive world unity fraternity liberty equality toleration writings great writers freemasonry page hope good laugh tony laugh tony religeous bigot scares shit bothers listen grave doubts future shades branch davidians jones charlie manson uncle wolf member highland lodge grand lodge california babtized southern babtist beliefs teachings worry masons demonized harrassed major xian church centuries stand withstand miserable southern boobtists pick support people start listen boobtists realize subtracting obvious lies claims satanism masons sound pretty good comparison thing sizable proportion southern babtists masons masons fired back magazines boobtist witch hunt consrervatives divisive element boobtist moderates liberals start mason boobtist brothers hasten downfall southern boobtists realize church stand handful clowns holy civil wars purity tests drop leadership positions concerned louder ruder outrageous anti masonic crusade goats mount pocorn center seat circus begin clowns pope charles slack popec pope charles origin brewers witch houston 
atoms real years blah blah blah nntp posting host crchh organization lines petri mathew discusion reality atoms interesting verging question real observation reliable real intention original question define word real meet criteria thought brian rainbows shadows real objects phenomenon interesting question atoms objects classical phenomenon quantum 
message president happened distribution world organization gordian knot gloster lines bskendig brian kendig writes stephen tice writes patience wait prospect message david koresh jesus christ scoffed hung cross claimed thousand years forget preached love neighbor thyself setting fires agent provacateurs cutter mind chris jobs easy person holt 
years christian morality nntp posting host elvis organization wolfram research lines halat bears halat writes article frank uucp frank dwyer writes firstly science basis values round explain objective atoms subjective values atoms objective real scientists call atom mathematical model describes physical observable properties surroundings subjective omigod operationalist idea theory explaining myriad distinctly observations model people accept phobia objective reality notwithstanding mark pundurs resemblance opinions wolfram research purely coincidental 
years christian morality nntp posting host elvis organization wolfram research lines mathew mathew writes objective physics einstein bohr told speaking relativity quantum mechanics bullshit objective reality sufficient prove speaking bullshit wonders people questions understand term objective fiction abstract ideal strive ideal light inextensible string exist talk things wrong striving ideal ideal objective existence mark pundurs resemblance opinions wolfram research purely coincidental 
rawlins debunks creationism reply uucp richard harter organization software maintenance development systems lines article bill rawlins writes talking origins science science explain origins person exclude science issue origins higher truth science false premise enjoy science observing creation macroevolution mixture percent science percent religion guaranteed percent error explore interesting paragraph point point sentence sentence talking origins science origins speaking origins life human species universe physical biological diversity science explain origins false statement carefully qualified depends origins talking person exclude science issue origins higher truth science false statement begin notion higher truth distinctly dubious people ways ascertain truth repetoire science ways reliable truths expressed language science truths higher lower simply true point restricting discussion origins science reject sources knowledge simply restricts scope discussion false premise intended asserting previous sentence false true context identifies false theologically unsound statement enjoy science evidence rawlins lacks sufficient understanding science enjoy science meaningful sense enjoys literature written language read mark sentence false follow analogy likes pretty shapes letters observing creation quibble count true macroevolution mixture percent science percent religion guaranteed percent error false statement make true contextual modification macroevolution misunderstood rawline mixture percent rawlins erroneously thinks science percent rawlins erroneously thinks religion distinctly noticeable rawlins fails miserably touch truth reports personally feels justice assuming misinforming personal reactions account hypothesis idiosyncratic personal concept truth richard harter smds address phone mail smds concord fields hell grass grows high graves dreams allowed 
albert sabin organization technical university braunschweig germany lines article bill rawlins writes deletion referred messiah assume referring testament detail complaints mail post century greek understood considered josephus jewish historian wrote jesus addition gospel accounts harmony drivel crossposted atheism reading atheism josephus quote concidered fake christian historians gospels contradict important points offer scientific theory creationism benedikt 
years christian morality reply halat bears halat lines article frank uucp frank dwyer writes objective morality morality built objective values organized religion religion built organized values ford tempo tempo built ford values rational response response built rational values unconditional surrender surrender built unconditional values uncle halat 
years christian morality reply halat bears halat lines article judi stein objectively subjective writes frank uucp frank dwyer culled discussion christianity objective morals question effective difference objective values exist disagreement values subjective difference absolute truth exists people truth relative examples statement fundamental disagreement people statement agreed objective values exist agree values subjective halat 
years christian morality reply halat bears halat lines article frank uucp frank dwyer writes objective offered people collectively land america sound good deal subjective people happen agree continue move price point people accept accept high number endpoints subjective scale homes objective viewpoints halat 
years christian morality reply halat bears halat lines article frank uucp frank dwyer writes firstly science basis values round explain objective atoms subjective values atoms objective real scientists call atom mathematical model describes physical observable properties surroundings subjective objective approach scientist takes discussing model observations objective science objective approach subjectively selected scientist objective case means unchanging rules colleagues discuss science contrast objective morality objective approach subjectively discuss beliefs morality exists objective morality science deals discuss observations physical world method discussion objective science discussion science makes claims whys hows observe simply discuss surroundings meaningful consistent neils bohr paraphrase science physical world halat 
message president happened organization engineering manufacturing atlanta atlanta lines tbrent purdue timothy brent writes pack heavy weaponry intent cite evidence intending allowed stuff live steer clear check public rights individual society rights individuals rights ahead call commie commie singing tune exercised rape daughter rape care rightws broke feel koresh broke convicted crime threat society feel owning guns makes threat society start knives baseball bats feel spouts unpopular ideas definition threat society simple simple assualt civilians support fourth sixth eighth amendment rights davidians support words support rule prettier calls government charity money wilson theory relativity back related mark wilson 
promise john organization tweek systems moraga lines starowl michael adams writes netland process devising religion lamb bull reserved choose animal preferably endangered species list washed blood barney dinosaur judging postings read usenet usenet conferences barney endangered species runs dark alley lizard lizard internet addresses alizard tweekco preferred pacbell tweekco alizard bang path alizard backup public request 
ancient order oriental templars organization tweek systems moraga lines thyagi portal thyagi morgoth nagasiva writes organization present time ancient order oriental templars ordo templi orientis hermetic brotherhood light organization official mail address days address area lodges thelema lizard lizard internet addresses alizard tweekco preferred pacbell tweekco alizard bang path alizard backup public request 
religion forming sign summary read worthwhile laughs questions real religion keywords eveism religion nntp posting host organization rensselaer polytechnic institute troy lines begin world religion major recruitment medium religion founding members important historically method soliciting membership eventually common basis religion apply aspects current conventional morality characters genesis exodus assume bible accounts facts historical events correct story adam adam garden eden naked ignorant unlimited supply food provided clothing jobs knowledge fruit tree knowledge hide bushes finds forces garden stories naked bushes angered traditional philosophy reason knowledge provide food stupid unemployed married women work recent decades authority figures vietnam hitler slaveowners blindly question ordinary people make decisions interpretation events based traditional philosophy supposed fruit told small children provided obligated father forced leave garden work order obtain food punishment lessons traditional interpretation ignorance good knowledge tempting food provided read welfare ideal ting feeding earn punishment public nudity good covering authority figures intrinsically normal people dumb told question people subordinate positions obligated refrain learning illegal slaves learn read philosophy people seek education employment home named hillary clinton murphy brown people common sense kill people binding issac wars holocaust told interpretation events based current philosophy supposed fruit gave wanted seek knowledge handed silver platter gained knowledge seeking showed ability make mature decisions longer needed treated children rewarded allowed real world lessons interpretation ignorance knowledge good sought food provided read welfare temporary measure feeding earn ideal public nudity covering good authority figures wrong normal people intelligent instructions good idea alter abolish governments people subordinate decisions discouraged knowledge seek harder poor children good schools work hard order make life children tentatively named philosophy church eveism decision apple kind good decision traditionally believed protagonist appears evil telling people seek knowledge deeper analysis protagonist rewarded decision defy provided tree place intention desire knowledge obtained delay actively sought discussion begin humor save post disk file server someday considered important writing commandments original copy stay tuned religion eveism deduction money donate organization return discussion posting follow stephen weinstein weinss 
clarification organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines jose based rosicrucian order called remember time stand ordo rosae crucis words latin order rose cross sigh loosing long term memory headquarters jose pretty decent metaphysical bookstore interested books loves egyptian museum cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
catholic crit nunnally harding john nunnally distribution world organization harding university searcy nntp posting host harding news reader news reply dlphknob bradley message gmtlines lines dlphknob bradley writes foster maintech writes surprised saddened expect kind behavior evangelical born gospel thumping face true christian protestants thought catholics behaved stoop level protestants witness strident intrusive loud insulting overbearingly righteous pleading mode begging quit confusing religious groups stop making generalizations protestant evangelical creation scientist homosexuals hung toenails discuss bible thumpers singling making obtuse generalizations fundamentalists compared actions presbyterians methodists southern baptists religions sarcasm pick correct groups bible thumpers fundamentalists southern baptists deserve hasty generalizations prejudicial statements pick presbyterians methodists sarcasm prejudice thinking people group write protestants evangelicals pleading mode ahold thomas stories fbzr enval jvagre fhaqnlf jura gurer yvggyr oberqbz fubhyq nyjnlf pneel fubbg lbhefrys xabj rknpgyl gung nyjnlf znxvat pubvpr yvan jregzhyyre jemaleddin sasha david cole chief knobbery research dlphknob bradley 
stories literary critical analysis organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article dzkriz berkeley dennis kriz wrote thought begin process initiating literary critical study pornography posted stories identify major themes motifs present stories posted opening possibility objective moral evaluation material present dennis astounded interested study filth stories provide cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
abortion distribution world organization ozone online operations ozone hole reply anthony landreneau anthony landreneau lines margoli larry margolis anthony landreneau rape passed true forcing remain pregnant continues violation body months unbelievably cruel life violation cruel killing living solely exsist friend cold anthony slmr difference orange ozone hole private bulletin board service full service nodes usrobotics gigs files skydive orleans rime network mail usenet newsgroups route questions inquiries postmaster 
years christian morality organization lines article rice peter walker writes article kevin kevin darcy wrote phenomenologist husserl considered intentionality primary ontological stuff ontology built perceptions consciousness thoughts frank means intentionality values puts underlying human experience called objective experiences measurements natural world output chip intellectual masturbation defer greater firsthand knowledge matters kevin 
years christian morality nntp posting host okcforum osrhe organization okcforum unix users group newsreader version lines mind science basis values reach science basis observable fact chooses observe observation interpreted significance depends great deal values observer science human activity subject potential distortion human activity myth scientists moral influence ethical concern knowledge abstacted pure nature untainted biases scientist nonsense bill argue objective values moral sense start demonstrating morality objective meaning word objective doubt happen back original question objective morality unfortunate choice words contradictory objective sense means immutable absolute morality describes behavior group people term inclusive specific concept supposedly meaning christians instance existence independent humankind existence frame reference reality declares thing necessarily defined omnipotent claims believed omnipotent relative intrinsically defined reality objective sense determines standard conduct standard objective human beings held accountable conformance standard permitted ignore substitute relative morality mode conduct giving term morality nebulous meaningless sense argued pretending misunderstand standard objective conduct required meet standard objectively determined convenient pretend term morality infinitely malleable objective standard exist morality cultural norm preferred conduct decent people making subjective derived absolute objective standard ironically objective standard perfect accord true nature christianity condemned contrary human oppressive severe bill amoral inclinations standard 
flaming nazis reply deane brandeis organization brandeis university lines bite leave heck article gsmith heidelberg gene smith writes article popec pope charles writes rhoemer responsible uniforms props early nazis rallies roehm rhoemer hitler claim swastika business credit actual flag design party member dentist credit mein kampf killed early nazi purge associates flaming homosexuals flamboyant orgies find actual evidence common assertion recently postings groups history culture german uncovered experts provide expert histories nazi germany assert make reference scandals occurred long night long knives impression homosexuality portions common knowledge book homosexual author escapes moment called homosexuals history asserts roehm heines homosexuals roehm circle books roehm associate edmund heines homosexual able find suspect sort historical urban legend germany history books primary sources germany access plenty documented instances scandals fact knight long knives members including heines found sleeping people complaining homosexual activities seducing young boys histories read make convincing case sounds urban legend irving notoriously unreliable historian funk nazi finance minister homosexual sources irving funk precisely contradict history books read existence homosexual nazis historians taking part anti homosexual smear homosexual writers agree official history found truth roehm heines homosexuals disassociate homosexuality nazism connection bash homosexuals case challenge document claim challenge historians point irving burden proof track references find stories originate germany close archival material people found great deal evidence flaming heterosexuals nazis include worst hitler himmler goebbels goering heydrich eichmann agenda prove nazis heterosexuals bash heterosexuals bother nazis homosexuals make homosexuals true bisexuals half nazis difficult nazis homosexuals german officer corps instance notorious homosexuality numerous scandals rocked german govt late early century kaiser friends prosecuted kaiser homosexual germany army long tradition tolerating homosexuality back prussian history back frederick great homosexual roehm product prussian officer tradition german army english public school system center homosexuality overlook roehm homosexuality addition nazis complained homosexuality hitler youth hitler youth swallowed nazi youth groups vandervogel bund volkish youth groups promote homoerotic ideals friendship cases homosexuality plenty homosexual nazis official nazi dogmas evils homosexuality suprise homosexuality existed societies unusual nazis exception sources kind proof accept citations archival material access intend reread book nazis modern homosexuality read time stopping chasing sources prove stick established histories david matthew deane deane brandeis eternal moods bleak wind gods speak softly days ezra pound 
promise philippians organization university buffalo lines news software vnews nntp posting host ubvmsd buffalo things learned received heard peace philippians 
promise john organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article alizard uucp lizard wrote judging postings read usenet usenet conferences barney endangered species runs dark alley make barney modern martyr saviour mythical figure detest humans create religion life unbearable cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
disillusioned protestant finds christ organization cookamunga tourist bureau lines article jburrill burrill wrote jesus taught concept trinity deal jesus authority heaven earth make disciples nations baptizing father holy spirit teaching obey commanded surely lame explanation trinity jesus baptizing people things trinity case wrong assumed trinity implies entities cheers kent sandvik apple alink ksand private activities 
biblical backing koresh tape cites enclosed distribution world organization gordian knot gloster lines netd writes article stephen david koresh solid structure sound biblical backing hour long tape broadcast cares solid structure sermon deaths responsible concern people hold christ accoountable followers died hand romans fault believing society reminds roman empire guess watch american gladiators cutter mind chris jobs easy person holt 
albert sabin rfox rich univ south dakota reply rfox organization university south dakota computer science dept nntp posting host charlie lines article sharpe enet system privileged account writes article rfox rich univ south dakota writes article bill rawlins writes earlier dialogue deleted read stop advancing bible evidence relating questions science jesus exist wells great fallacy statement question origins based science nope fallacy science determining religions handle rich curious award custody baby theists religion hope award custody rich purposely handle order avoid religions aberrations scientific creationism part science time domains attempted doubt confused matter science written argue theists theologians equiped investigate magicians astrologers housewives sexists athiests agnostics answer vary individual individual evasive societal perspective religion works hand abused misused suffer result positive anthropological perspective human affairs call fruedian masses religion generally incapable myriad reasons main promise immortality seductive immortality theologians equipped mention dispensing answers suggest holds truth answers simply people spiritual beliefs real scientific facts explanation caution context suggest forever closed scientific investigation fact closed individuals group theoretical physicists argue matter created bang singularity approach presuppose absence argued responsible supernatural mechanistic tough people today grasp case theory empirical data explanation question require data words agree theorizing scientific parameters scientific explaining answer closed scientists sense science realms inadequate data improvement long pretty convoluted hope made sense years question origin life earth considered open scientific enquiry agree generally prefer questions open inquiry enlightenment reason reponsible questioning theological answers part science born naturalists curiosity eventually carting largely leaving ignorant selfish intolerant arrogant claim authority domains rich anthro usouthdakota discussion amhs figure original post obliged funny facts tend muddle things plenty scientific creationist rebuttals created record anatomically modern humans rich anthro usouthdakota